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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
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Where is Johnstone today?
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How do you know he hasn’t taken a punt with players? How do you think he hasn’t gone and said ‘these are the players we want’?
That is literally all Allardyce can do, it’s then up to the rest. It’s not like Football Manager where the manager sticks a bid in and does the negotiated.
Putting words in my proverbial mouth there chap. Not once have I said previous matches don’t count.
I also think that you’re missing my point completely. I’m saying what my expectations are of SA or any manager, as in what I’d hope to see. I’m not by any means saying that will happen.
And what I’m also saying is for me, I wanted to give him time to settle in and the team to transition. And that time spell is getting close to being over and this is when I expect to see progress. Maybe I should use the phrase “hope for” instead.
Oh I’m not being optimistic, I’m stating what my expectations are of a manager that’s had a month with the squad and a week to prepare and has one of his own signings in. I’ve given him a chance and he still has more of January for me but I do expect an improvement now.
I don’t think the performances have improved and I’ve been disappointed but like others SA has had a grace period in my mind and I do hope to see an improvement against Wolves and West Ham but I would also hope to see him further supported in the market, not leaving everything until after we’ve played all of January’s games.
I expected more v Leeds and Arsenal. The Villa game I blame on Livermore and if GREGMT wants to talk about VAR cheating Bilic well let’s be fair and say it should have given Villa a red in that game.
The Liverpool game was the bar and I expect to see closer than that in the next 2 games and I will struggle to continue with the benefit of the doubt if we see much of the same as we will be cut off soon.
He will get until the end of the season Timdon, if/when we do go down I cannot see for one second SA hanging around. Likewise I cannot see the club giving him the spanish if we continue with our present form. This is the board rolling the dice and hoping for a double six.......I don't think they will have the appetite or cash for another roll.
Such an irrational statement that is!
Bilic had 18 months......3-4 of those were a purple patch.
Lets give Allardyce the same time and then we can make comparisons
Is this a different woeful outfit to the one he inherited?
Yes woe is me, we'll never get another point ever again...
Christ the sooner Allardyce picks up another 6 points the better so this appalling shout stops. 7 points from 13 games is totally unacceptable even if the manager has got the greatest personality in the world.
We have known that ever since we realised that the owner was not going to invest in the team. Mourinho could not get a tune out of this team so it is pointless blaming Sam. We have some talented players, but we need more quality in the team and Dowling can only recruit with the funds he has been provided with.
I would respect Sam if he just resigned due to lack of backing, we are a complete shambles, and yes it may be 5-0 on Saturday. Anything less will be half a result for us. If we got a point I would be ecstatic but I am not expecting anything, and I know who I blame for this whole debacle.
Dowling is responsible for player recruitment and negotiations for transfers.
And yes, that will include signing players - It’s why we ended up with Kipre in the summer and both Austin and Zohore previously.
Had the head coach had total control then Bilic would have signed Grant and Krovinovic at the start of the summer.
Allardyce will have his suggestions but it is up to Dowling to get them over the line.
You also talk of Allardyce limiting us to a British market - that totally ignores the whole Dowling approach which has seen pretty much all of his business completed domestically.
Hammering Allardyce for this issue of not getting players in quick enough when he has consistently championed the need to get bodies in is just attacking him for the sake of it.
Going a bit off topic here, but the role of a director of football is to manage the football operation, including scouting and recruitment, while the role of the head coach is to coach, prepare the team for match days and the on the day performance.
This is squarely on Dowling, albeit Allardyce will have his input (as seems to be the case).
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I’m fairly sure it’s the other way around, it’s it Dowlings job to come to Allardyce with the ‘diamonds’ from Europe.
I agree with you Greg but neither Bilic or Allardyce can do a thing about that. THats the higher ups jobs.
Well I think it’s clear they’re trying to get a midfielder.
There are a host of reasons as to why we haven’t - the main one being that Allardyce isn’t in charge of negotiations
It’s Allardyce bashing for the sake of it.
Bit harsh, Bilic had best part of 18 months to sort it and didn't.
Also fair to say Allardyce has identified who he wants and the player wants to come here. It's over to the board to work their magic now.