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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: March 09, 2019, 06:54:33 PM »
I am not defending DM. I too find some of his  game planning and management puzzling but who do we replace him with? After saying this I also do not agree that “we have the best squad in the division”. This is obviously not true. This latest abject performance has shown that our players are no better than some of those available to the bottom club in the division. On this evidence any one of the Ipswich midfield players would have been an improvement on Livermore, Johansen or, when he came on Morrison. There was no pace, no distribution, no ideas and no help from our midfield for our forward players nor our defenders. This has been an issue for all season and it is only when Barry or Harper have played particularly well that we look to have any ability in midfield at all.  Without either of these we look and in fact are total rubbish. What we lack now as well is confidence which seems to have been replaced by fear. We need changes in the middle of the park, we need playe s with the ability and confidence to do what Barnes did so well and carry the ball forward and put some one else through or try a shot himself. I wait in despair.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: March 07, 2019, 11:13:34 AM »
Been off sick for the last few home games but dragging me aching bones back up to the shrine for this one. Only seen em lose once so expect a win. Don’t know or care by how many just play well and get the 3 points. Re think that - just find a way to get the 3 points COYB

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: March 03, 2019, 01:30:19 PM »
Bit worried about all the love in for Jimmy M. He has hardly ever shown regularly that he is an effective player for us. Some games he has seemed to be just what we need in the middle but has then disappeared into virtual obscurity for the next four or five. Best thing he has done for me, and for the team I believe was giving SB a slap. Surely we must have better options.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: March 03, 2019, 01:21:00 PM »
So I decided to watch the Leeds game again.
And people are actually saying Harper was the worst of our midfielders. Watch that game again.
Every time we tried to play out someone moved onto Barry.
Livermore has no mobility and takes 3 touches before he can move the ball normally sideways or backwards. Harper took the ball, used his strength and pace to beat the first man and looked for a ball forwards which often leads to giving it away but the fact our front 3s movement was woeful due to playing strikers out wide rather than wide men made it all the more an impossible task but many times he found our player.
As for being lazy our formation often leads to our full backs being left isolated against 2
 opponents and neither Barry or Livermore have the legs to cover across that much ground.
Rakeem Harper will be one hell of a player and is being let down by his team mates and our inability to set a team up to play to our strengths we have not had.
He certainly doesn't deserve some of the criticism from some people on certain social platforms being aimed at him.
If our 2 head coaches can't or refuse to see this set up doesn't the players they are putting there then they don't deserve the opportunity to coach some of our gifted young players.

Great post. I too decided to go through the pain again and came to the same sort of conclusion. Harper was often the only swift out ball from defence, quite a few times he left his marker standing to go on a forward run to break their lines but was dragged back illegally. Often he shook off the guy trying to hold him back but the speed of the counter was neutralised and the only ball he could then play was to a slow midfielder behind or level with him. When he made a forward pass the receiver usually got closed down very quickly and lost the ball. Harper for me was our most effective midfielder whilst fit.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: March 01, 2019, 10:20:44 PM »
What is there to add to all the disgusted disappointed comments regarding lack of pace and lack of ideas.? What about the lack of physicality to break free of all the holding back when our lot tried to run with the ball. Played like a babbies team we need fighters to get a hold in these sort of games, both Sheffield and Leeds have that grittiness that gets a result when you need it, Albion do not. Promotion for any of the teams in the mix at the moment will be but a short lived experience without the spending of mega mega bucks and a lot of luck. Personally I am not sure it is an experience I particularly want again at this time, so as it looks at the moment and we do miss out I will not be that bothered. But what does make me mad is these sorts of performance where so much is wrong and so many of the problems are the same as they have always been. This team is not developing it is going backwards. We are getting beaten very easily and our experienced players are most often the ones not doing what they ought to be capable of. It is getting to the time when I think more of our own young players should be allowed to show if they might be good enough for our future. Perhaps not en masses but when a first team regular is out injured why not replace him with the one who plays the same position and not shoehorn in somebody from the squad who is a regular in another position and creates an imbalance. If performances show lack of development then move them on.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 24, 2019, 02:22:14 PM »
Normal over reaction on here, beaten by the better team on the day, plenty more twists to come in this season, move on to the next game.
This exactly. Could not have said it better myself so I haven’t. One other thing though, I have often been super critical about Johnstone, but I thought that he has recently shown better authority and command of his area in both this and the villa match, so well done son keep up the improvements and we might have a decent keeper there.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: who are our "local rivals"
« on: February 18, 2019, 01:52:33 PM »
I'd say it depends on when you started following Albion, and where you live / were bought up.

Familiarity bred contempt in the '90's with Wolves, but if you're an older fan it's still Villa. Likewise if you live Birmingham way and come across the Villa support more often, it's easier to hate the deluded bunch.

I hate Villa more than Wolves personally. I'm from Walsall, and started following Albion in the '90's, so I'm contradictory to the general rule. But my Mom's family is mostly Wolves (I followed my Dad up the Albion).

I think it's easier to have a bit of banter with the Wolves fans, they can give and take it a bit better. Villa fans still think they're Man United or something, and you can't convince them they aren't, which means they inevitably can't take it when we beat them. To thin skinned with delusions of grandeur.
Started going in the 50’s so being from Wednesbury it could have been either but as the blunderers were the big name then its them and not the vile for me. Agree about the fans though, away from the match the banter was usually good with the Wolves lot but the Vile lot tended to be more arrogant and only capable of thinking inside their own little box. Must be something to do with being a big city club, Wolverhampton was only a town back then.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: February 16, 2019, 09:14:50 PM »
I have been critical and to a great extent remain unconvinced, but he did well today and was much closer to what I expect an Albion keeper to be like. Well done sir, keep it up and keep learning

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« on: February 15, 2019, 03:05:23 PM »
Trouble is, football is a free flowing game, infringements are always open to individual interpretation and opinions. It's not like cricket where a video umpire can check LBW decisions, the ball is either going to hit the stumps or it's not, or in tennis with Hawk Eye where it quite clearly shows the ball is either in or out. There are no grey areas in those instances, it's simple and effective. In those instances in other sports the ball has already gone dead so there is no unnecessary hold up. VAR has proved that no matter how many times incidents are reviewed in ultra slow motion, people still don't agree, it's still down to how one person sees it and interprets it. That's just how it is with football, it's what makes the game so fascinating, entertaining and interesting. All this trial by television, VAR, retrospective bans, etc will drive traditional supporters away
from the game in their droves. Let the referees and linesmen officiate and just accept that in football that is how it is. Moving with the times just for the sake of it and because everyone else is doing it doesn't always mean it's for the best. If a player dives then so be it, it's up to the referee to spot it and punish accordingly.
Sorry about the previous blanks I am trying to balance the wife’s iPad on my knee in a moving vehicle, and no I am not driving. Anyway just wanted to say what a sane and accurate post this is and has had the effect of calming my anger somewhat. However I would further comment that  this latest action by the (sweet) FA simply mirrors the lack of consistency among officials generally, and it is this punishing an offence by one team and allowing the same offence to go unpunished when committed by their opponents. As many on here have already suggested if that dive had been done by Salah, Vardy, any Tottenham player etc. With the same resulting penalty scored to gain a point, would there have been such media stirring aka mr goodman, and would the FA have taken action? Based on previous experience I sincerely believe it would not.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Dwight Gayle (on loan swap from Newcastle)
« on: February 13, 2019, 07:37:09 PM »
Back-room staff should now be going through every penalty given in the top few leagues this season and finding any where the ref has been deceived. Take it to the FA and say "when all of these players are charged, we'll accept the charge".

Otherwise, sue the FA for persecuting us. Can't just pick on one club whenever they feel like it because a commentator or radio station makes a big deal of it.

Fair play if they wanna do Gayle for it, but it has to be done consistently.

Exactly this. The number of games already just this season where blatant dives have brought rewards and no action has been taken by the FA. The question should be asked, and keep on being asked why is this one instance any different? It might also be mentioned that during the course of this game incidents of serious and dangerous foul play play inflicted on Albion players by Nottingham players went unpunished, and it was against this background that DG felt the need to take avoiding action by diving out of the way of possible injury by at least one of the Nottingham players responsible for such foul play. I rest my case your lordships.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 09, 2019, 07:53:32 PM »
Hegazi, Dawson, Barry all played their roles expertly. Gayle got on the end of a great bit of work from Hegazi as developed on the training pitch, and then we saw the game out by going a bit more safety first in the middle. Not J Rods best game though, but an effective professional performance. Well done to all, including the travelling support who often seem to have a far better understanding of the game and individual performances than some of the cyber whingers on here. Having said that I will continue my whinge against Johnston who is no better then the first time I saw him and he was rubbish then. Wish we could find a keeper better than this.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Gatean Bong
« on: February 08, 2019, 03:50:21 PM »
Has anyone seen his comments in the papers today?
“The more you batter me, the more you give me motivation to be tough with your players. This is your choice.”

Is he implying that if he’s booed he’s going to intentially attempt to injure other players?

Reply to bong “bring it on oh scented one” . Shows just what a nasty, small minded piece of work he is. Should have been punished for premeditated lying to get a fellow professional sent off. And if he really thinks he is able to get tough with anybody I know a few who will gladly oblige him. What a wazzock, him and his arrogant rectal orifice of a manager

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Match Officials
« on: February 08, 2019, 03:12:54 PM »
As long as the ref isn’t the guy from last night who needed a seeing eye dog.
[/quote Still angry even having cooled down. The ref for the cup match was neither blind nor incompetent, therefore must have been bent. Prem ref looking after prem players. Well done tierny

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jonathan Bond
« on: February 07, 2019, 04:51:45 PM »
I would prefer to see Bond given a chance. Not too much between them and both have faults and are nowhere near a finished article. But competition for the place should keep both trying to improve. I would just like to see how Bond performs behind our better defenders.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 07, 2019, 04:40:06 PM »
Darren Moore makes decisions some of us on here find baffling. Sometimes those decisions do not have the desired effect of improving the situaton the team is in at any given time. In our wisdom everyone has an opinion on the decisions he makes and then according to their own preconceptions some pass on to others their opinions regarding Darren’s ability to do his job. These brilliant tacticians who always get things right in their own minute little worlds have like myself, no idea of all of the factors influencing DM’s choices. These people are obviously entitled to their opinions, but to immediately and consistently call for the sacking of any Head Coach who has in a short time lifted the club as a whole, including a great deal of its traditional support, changed the playing style, improved the performance of the team and put them in a position to challenge for promotion, is in my opinion childishly reactive and more in line with the attitudes displayed by dogyeds and seals than West Bromwich Albion supporters. If anyone has the time to check back through the posts I would love to know if those who are constantly calling for Moore to be sacked are the same ones over time, who also have often taken against certain players who have served this great club.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Gatean Bong
« on: February 07, 2019, 03:47:09 PM »
Perhaps the unpunished elbow on the Englishman Sam Field by a foreign national playing for another team should be construed as a racist attack and apologised for by the Brighton manager

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 06, 2019, 10:55:23 PM »
Proud of the youngsters but we do really need to be able to apply the cynical stuff far better. We ended up with  the ten when it was patently obvious Brighton should have been down to that number for far longer. Then of course the dirty little premplayer gets the equaliser. Oh well on with the bread and butter stuff. Bond and Hoolahan deserve a start, Harper and Field should always be in contention and Tulloch and Rogers look good prospects so don’t let them get disillusioned. Mears Bartley etc are what they are, and HRK whilst not any answer at CF generally does a respectable shift at this level. With fairer more even handed officials we might have done a lot better tonight.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: February 05, 2019, 07:29:43 PM »
Its also a coach that has worked with him before so should be aware of what he can and can't do.
Does this then lead to the argument that either Johnstone is not responding to his coach (seals fans criticise him for the same faults) or his coach is not encouraging him to improve these woeful aspects of his game? in either case he needs to be replaced by better sooner rather than later. From what bit I have seen of Bond I wouldn’t mind seeing him get a go.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: February 05, 2019, 01:02:33 PM »
Or, in a nutshell, goalkeeping.

Plus his decision making, and his communication and his organisation of the defenders in front of him and pretty much everything else that makes a good keeper

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Best Ever Albion Player
« on: February 05, 2019, 12:59:39 PM »
:D Difference of a cigarette paper but Bomber and Bobby Hope...in my time as a supporter 1964 onwards. ;D

Agreed and raise you your namesake.  A tricky pacy winger who scored goals and made them. He took all the heavy crap from the tough guys and still kept coming back for more. He could go inside or outside, cross a good ball and take defenders on in the box. He stuck with us and for me, in todays protected environment, would be easily worth 2 odemwhingies, plus at least one Koumas and a fit on form Phillips as well

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 03, 2019, 02:45:56 PM »
completely agree with Standaman on this. Plus we lost a match to one of the wiliest managers in the game who schools his sides to use ‘the dark side’ to good effect. Ok we made mistakes but could and should have won that game 2-1, but we lost because of a couple of uncharacteristic errors from senior players and some very average goalkeeping. We need to take on board what we did wrong, look at some options, move on and get back to winning both in the cup and against Stoke. Some of the knee jerk stuff on here is so damn childish I wonder if......Oh never mind, get over it move on -rant over.. apologies to the more cosidered posters; the ones who keep this forum interesting and informative.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 02, 2019, 05:13:16 PM »
Individual errors punished. Goalkeeper stupid throw out for the first, the second possibly Dawson not close enough, but should save that shot, and then Chris Brunt bloody ell! Johnson simply not improving and not good enough. Bond behind a second rate defence against decent opposition has kept 2 clean sheets and hardly made an error as well as making 2 very good saves. Deserves to start soon surely?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Dark Side or Light Side?
« on: January 21, 2019, 01:41:49 PM »
Stopped watching EPL about 7 years ago. Stopped watching TV games involving any team but WBA at around the same time, except maybe for the odd one if we were playing them in the next game. I hate everything the prem has become and what it stands for. I have no interest in the top 6 except for hoping the snottenam divers get stuffed every time they play. I still love football and this is why I have started attending the shrine regularly again after a break of 10 years or more, even though it is physically painful for me.(and I don’t mean losing the odd match) I am now enjoying the games again and would not be bothered if the prem and it’s crooks just disappeared into Europe and left English football to its own devices again.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 12, 2019, 05:07:21 PM »
Oh Darren why no fresh legs in midfield with 15 to go ? We know they have got a lot of goals late on and some more pace in Mid at that time could have given Nwich a bit more to worry about . 2pts lost and you played your part mate it’s a 14 man game why do we only use Twelve and a half?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
« on: January 11, 2019, 01:39:38 PM »
Thanks for your efforts Harvey, good luck for the rest of your career. Hope the bench at Leicester gets too cold and you get a ticket to play for us back here in the future. You will be welcome. Puel has the right to recall him, but just before a top of the table clash with little time for us to adjust is sheer arrogance. No more than I would expect though from  such a diving cheating and so far very lucky outfit. Onwards and hopefully upwards with our OWN players now COYB

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