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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: OUT ON LOAN THREAD
« on: August 31, 2019, 09:18:09 PM »
I think they're thriving based on being genuine first team players on loan.

Here you can't help but feel even when we start academy players we can't wait for an excuse to drop them.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: August 17, 2019, 05:23:56 PM »
sorry to be a bit negative here.  We did come back well, but after some comedy defending for their goal, and for portions of the first half I thought that we made Luton look like Brazil.  We are Albion and we will need to do much better than this if we are to do well in this league.... admit I am grumpy but welcome more positive thoughts.

There was so much upheaval in the summer and so many of the signings made late on anyone expecting us to take to the league beating teams comfortably every game needs their head seeing too.

Just needs to keep points ticking over at this stage, will take a while to really assess how the new signings have fitted in. The international break will be good for us - 4 points in the next 2 games would be a good return.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: August 10, 2019, 06:13:10 PM »
Disappointing result, but 4 points from the first 2 is a decent return given the pre-season turmoil. The lack of attacking threat in the 2 games is a mild concern, but as we have 4 attacking signings to bed in, nothing to worry about yet.

I think we'll have a better idea of where we're at after the international break when the teams got to know each other a little better.

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Make that 50%

I wasn't exactly breaking news that we were on the verge of signing Diangana, Willock, or Pereira. They were all reported this morning.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: August 07, 2019, 10:25:35 PM »
@RowdenJRSG is one, if not the top authority in youth football in England (writing about youth football I should add).

He does come down very much on the side of the player, and he does have a bit of a big club mentality (being a United fan), but he has told some uncomfortable truths tonight (even if he comes across as a bit of a d***head in how he replies to people).

We get funny about players leaving our academy, and yet we are set to sign 2 wingers, 1 from West Ham's academy which will block our 3 home grown options, just like we did with Murphy and Montero. Now there are some good counter arguments we can make, but ultimately we have 3 players there who look set to again sit in a bit of a no mans land at the club, not going out on loan to assist their development, but sitting behind other clubs players in the pecking order.

It is something the club really needs to work out a long term answer to, and yet more evidence of a very confused thought process than runs throughout everything the club does.

Leko and Edwards might not be quite good enough, but Tulloch isn't even getting the chance to fail.

He's an interesting account and right on this issue (although he does tend to horrifically overrate how good youth players are in the first place), you can't offer zero pathway and expect players to say - with that said I'd be extremely disappointed if Edwards who's regularly shined doesn't get a lot of game time this year.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: August 07, 2019, 09:02:22 PM »
If Wilson, Leko, and Field aren't sent out on loan its a huge waste of their development. They'd be better off sold for their sake.

Field will do for a lower championship club, Leko really needs to go somewhere low down where he'll get plenty of chance to work on his end product. No good sending him somewhere he'll just get benched like when he went to Bristol City. There's a good player there he just needs games to work on it.

I'd also say Burke should probably be loaned out as well as its difficult to see him developing as he's surely be well down. He's never in a million years a striker, needs to go somewhere to work on his game as a winger.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: August 07, 2019, 08:41:28 PM »
By the sounds of it he's extremely talented and was considered one of Sporting Lisbon's best prospects but fell out with the coach and ended up getting loaned out. From what I can gather he was expected to start the season for them last year after a very bright pre-season but was on the bench the first game, made a tweet complaining about it, and was banished on loan. 

Seems like he's got attitude issues but also a lot of talent. Hopefully Bilic is the man to rein him in and get the best out of him.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: August 03, 2019, 10:12:39 PM »
Might be the next contract issue we have, I believe his current deal expires in 2020 (I think Edwards as well). No doubt the performance today would have turned a few heads.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: August 03, 2019, 10:10:38 PM »
He still has a role to play, mainly off the bench helping see out games or if we need a goal his set pieces are always very handy. He's not and never was a central midfielder though, even in his younger days he was never good when moved there, and now he's 34 turning 35 this season he doesn't have the legs either.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: August 03, 2019, 06:26:19 PM »
Negatives - Bartley same issues as last year, Livermore also still doesn't look good enough, Johnstone again questionable, not sure about Zohore either

Positives - Everyone else has been good and the team since Forest scored has moved the ball very well. Edwards, Krovinovic, Phillips, Ferguson all playing particularly well. Finally we have a midfield with players who want the ball and can move it well (Livermore aside).

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General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: August 02, 2019, 08:51:25 PM »
Graeme Jones will be out the job by October if he doesn't quickly learn what works with Belgium's suite of world class defenders doesn't work with free transfers playing for Luton Town.

It's not impossible to play out from the back in the championship but it needs to be excellently coached. Trying to pass out from the back regardless is just needlessly stubborn. How many times last season did we get sucked into that trap of teams letting us play out and then rushing us, catching an unsuspecting players on the ball?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
« on: July 30, 2019, 11:01:42 PM »
Interesting to note how Cardiff are replacing Zohore.

£5.5 million being spent on Robert Glatzel from Bundesliga 2 side Heidenheim.

13 goals last season in the German equivilant of the championship, and with previous tallies of 15 goals and 12 goals in previous seasons (albeit in their league 1).

Zohore last scored 12 goals 3 years ago in his only double figures goalscoring season.

Now goals aren't everything and a player like Zohore brings different attributes, but I just wanted to post the comparison to back up what I said previously. I think paying £8 million for him was probably a wee bit too much when compared to what we could have got on the continent - ie - a player with a slightly better record for 2.5 million cheaper.

I'm not sure how well Bundesliga 2 stats translate really, Hull and Burnley have both tried buying top scorers from that division and they've both flopped massively - Glatzel scored 4 in 29 the season before last too. I don't think Zohore is good value but I don't think paying 5.5m for this Glatzel seems particularly good value either.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matty Phillips
« on: July 30, 2019, 03:43:10 PM »
I doubt there's anything in this, the website "FootballInsider" doesn't seem at all a reliable source and the guy reporting the rumour judging by his twitter feed seems pretty unreliable. All his own work is just transfer links across the country, easy clicks.

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There's very little incentive for Newcastle to loan him out, his contract runs out in 2021 so by next summer he'll be 29 with 12 months left on his deal - his value would plumett, particularly on those wages.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cardiff, Huddersfield or Stoke do eventually get him for about 12m. Or maybe someone like Sheffield United will.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: 26th July 2019 Albion 0 AFC Bournemouth 0
« on: July 26, 2019, 09:56:24 PM »
If we can add a Mapuay/Gayle the striker to this squad, along with Sawyers, we stand a good chance of being able to challenge.

There isn't a chance we'll end up with either of them, people need to stop thinking we've got 15-20m to spend on a 50k a week striker. We'd just about manage that in the premier.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 09, 2019, 03:35:58 PM »
One of the problems with our academy is that in the past the structure/coaches had been there for a long time, and were well trusted, so could give genuine advice on whether a player was ready for the step-up. By going cheap on the first team management, the club has lost Darren Moore and Jimmy Shan from the setup completely, leaving it with less experienced coaches, and removing some of the clear pathways that previously existed.

I wouldnt be surprised if we were very tight when it comes to wages of the young players, relying heavily on appearance/performance bonuses rather than wages, whilst also being very negative towards players' agents. All this is bound to push the players' representatives to recommend them move elsewhere, which will generate the agent more cash in the short term, with little regard to the player's ongoing development.

Why should a player be loyal if the club doesn't show they respect their talent?

Neither of whom particularly used the academy for anything important. Moore did eventually use Harper in league games but that was about it, Shan used Edwards for 3 games then permanently dropped him and was less inclined to use youth players than even Moore.

They might have come from the youth teams but neither were good for their pathways. Farke at Norwich was 1000 times better and he was from outside the club. Lampard and Bielsa were also much better at using their academy players than either Moore or particularly Shan.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: One month to go
« on: July 09, 2019, 03:33:13 PM »
It's very difficult to see this season going well based on the current trajectory.

As expected almost everyone from last season is leaving, but the biggest concern here is the poor fees for the players. In 07/08 we lost players but we got good fees for the time and were able to reinvest, we've lost players for relatively nothing by todays standards this time. 6m for Dawson doesn't go far, 5+5m Rodriguez won't even buy a decent championship striker.

In 07/08 we were able to rebuild but crucially we kept some key players - people like Greening, Robinson, Phillips, Gera were all instrumental this season. This time round we're losing it seems almost all quality and just left with the ones who are average at best at this level.

Then this is all exacerbated by the transfer window ending in a month now. We've made one signing - a loan without a view to a permanent - and don't seem any closer to doing any business. Pre-season is basically wasted and we'll be parachuting players in late on hoping they gel.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ahmed Hegazi
« on: July 09, 2019, 03:23:58 PM »
I think it's probably true, it's such a random link is expect something to be in it

I'd also be very surprised if we keep hold of hegazi I'm the first place.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 08, 2019, 06:45:35 PM »
There is something deeply wrong with our academy, the amount of players we are losing is abysmal. Rogers is a huge wba fan and so are his family, he is on the cusp of the first team. Why does he want to leave? No point producing players for someone else.

Well some of it is just the clubs coming in for them but the clubs plans for players above 18 is extremely poor really. It seems an endemic thing as well, Jimmy Shan was a full on youth coach and still gave very little in the way of opportunity. Including playing Murphy who did nothing and barely tried consistently ahead of Edwards.

I imagine if you were a young player coming through you'd look at the likes of Field, Edwards and Leko with a lot of concern. Not going on loan, not getting game time, there just doesn't seem a development plan in place for them. We keep youth players in the squad as back ups who have no realistic chance of playing. Then every summer sign a bunch of players in front of them, because they can't be trusted because they haven't played. Then you've got people like Tyler Roberts who never got a chance here, probably friends with some of these players telling them how much better it is when they leave.

Aside from the absolute elite tier of player all young players are going to be relatively inconsistent and need time to grow, but the rewards can be huge if given. This club never gives that opportunity. The fans also are not used to it and extremely impatient with players, look how many were willing to write Harper off already.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 08, 2019, 04:47:01 PM »
I think a better route for us would be Brentford's B team where its basically just a bunch of very cheap signings, kind of Mowbray's underbelly idea on a bigger scale. We had some dreadful players from that but the likes of Dorrans and Mulumbu made it more than worth it. Seems far more profitable and if we do get anyone decent from it they're under contract.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Morgan Rogers
« on: July 08, 2019, 04:39:05 PM »
Man City would be a very poor move for him long term, you need only look at the amount of City academy players who are desperately trying to leave to see how little opportunity there is there - they have over 60 players between their development and academy side.

Even if you have doubts about us as a development side there are much better alternatives to City, clubs who might someday give a chance.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Louie Barry
« on: July 07, 2019, 04:48:56 PM »
I think this is a poor move beyond the glamour of the Barcelona name. La Masia is reportedly in a state of decline and it's notable that their best youth players have been making attempts to leave the past few years. Most going to Germany.

Not a surprise he's gone given the clubs in for him but it also shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility we keep such players. Jude Bellingham in the same England side is considered a better prospect and arguably the best in the world his age, but signed a new deal with birmingham

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General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: July 06, 2019, 07:25:36 PM »
There'll be plenty of clubs who will risk him on what will surely be a low wage, no fee gamble.

The best case for him would presumably be starting again far away from Birmingham, maybe somewhere abroad. He clearly has a certain lifestyle here and letting him stay in that comfort zone, well its difficult to see him changing.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Craig Dawson
« on: June 29, 2019, 07:08:58 PM »
Rubbish
Saido
McClean
Davies

Berahino who we could have sold for twice as much to Newcastle?

McClean was an alright fee, no more, no less. Davies was a good fee - but you had to go back 12 years.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Craig Dawson
« on: June 29, 2019, 04:29:08 PM »
We never seem to get decent fees for players. We either reject bids then they end up leaving a season or so later for a fraction of what we were offered, or we just get rid for extremely minimal fees.

5.5m buys almost nothing in today's market. Consider Middlesbrough paid 8m for Aden flint.

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