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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 05:08:36 PM »
Yeah, always possible they could get something wrong, I agree.  Hopefully there's a way we can report incorrect information because there will be times when they've made errors.  Were they anything in particular that you've seen that's wrong?  I'm genuinely curious because it would undermind the reason for its existance.

At the end of the day it's a balance I think.  I know some people who give more weight to conspiracy youtube channels than they do the entire scientific community.  I have another friend who genuinely thinks we didn't land on the moon.  Or my Auntie who keeps posting stuff about how if you reply to a whatsapp message you'll immediately lose all of the money in your bank.

I try and check sources where I can, especially if something sounds a bit too out there.

There have been cases in the past yes but the problem with fact check websites as fullfact.org admit themselves is how deep the people checking actually check.

You mention youtube channels but many of those do actually provide a lot of references and evidence to back things up, not all but there are a lot out there that do whereas the msm that many rely on does nothing of the sort other than state a "source".

Its so easy for people to write things off that you do not agree with as conspiracy whilst believing everything the msm puts out.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 03:27:32 PM »
I agree a healthy dose of cynicism is a good thing.  It's why sites like factcheck are important.

But not 100% reliable

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 03:11:05 PM »
I didn't mean it to be patronising, you asked for my evidence that I didn't think the article was true and I gave it.

Your position appeared to be because we're not being told everything, then it *might* be true, or that the truth is somewhere in between.  The fact so many scientists are working on this around the world, makes me believe that they are damn sure it's a virus and not a bacteria.

No, my position is I don't believe everything we are told by the msm and I don't believe every conspiracy theory going and the truth is somewhere in the middle and we are very unlikely to ever find out the whole truth about it.

As for the scientists I would hope they are all working on it together.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 02:56:34 PM »
There used to be a default setting in the human psyche called common sense.
Sadly common sense isn't that common nowadays, it's slowly being eroded out of us by the likes of twtter and facebook.
There's scientists from all over the world trying to beat this disease, so just ask yourself would these people be able to tell the difference between a virus and a bacterial infection or should we trust all those knowledgeable people on social media.
Conspiracy theories are ok for a bit of entertainment but that's about it

Common sense is gone by the looks of it, no I don't believe all I read on facebook from Karen and Tracey but by the same vein I don't believe the hysteria spouted out by the msm either, as I said earlier the truth will be found someone where in the middle.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 02:54:04 PM »
Scientists know the difference between a virus and a bacteria.  It's not a mistake they're likely to make.  There's also this...

https://fullfact.org/online/thrombosis-covid-19/

We shouldn't default to "well, there's stuff going on that we don't know about" as a way to defend any kind of theory.  The onus should be on the people writing that article to prove that current scientific knowledge is wrong and it's actually a bacteria infection. 

We all need to be more alert to these kind of conspiracy theorys.  It's like they're argued from the position of religious faith, it's more of a belief.  If you can just wash away any evidence that is contrary to your position with "well, it's the MSM they would say that", "well, look at their funding", "well, you don't reeeaaallly know", "you can't be sure as there's stuff they don't tell you", then tell us what would make you reconsider the evidence?

It's also incredibly bad advice to tell people to take asprin or anti-coagulants without actual medical advice.  Aspirin can do all sorts of damage to you, including internal bleeding.

(sorry, I don't mean to be harsh, but it's classic conspiracy theory arguments that when presented evidence it's immediately written off in favour for something with even flimsier evidence).

I don't default to anything and I do agree that scientists do know the difference, I also don't believe we are being told all thats going on but thanks for the patronising post.


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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 01:07:52 PM »
From the attached link.....

'We do not seek and have never accepted, directly or indirectly, any funds from unions, partisan organizations or advocacy groups. We do not accept funds from corporations with the exception of Facebook, which provides funding as part of Facebook’s initiative to debunk viral deceptions circulating on the social media site. Facebook has no control over our editorial decisions'.

'Facebook Initiative'......

https://about.fb.com/news/2016/12/news-feed-fyi-addressing-hoaxes-and-fake-news/

For the record I do not use Facebook and I am not funded by it either  ;D .

Facebook are a law unto themselves when it comes to deciding what they allow and what they don't but thats another story. A picture of a woman in the bath showing her knees has been removed god knows how many times but animals getting abused, thats fine.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 01:01:17 PM »
They just didn't

This is from The Royal College of Pathologists Briefing

Read more here

https://www.rcpath.org/uploads/assets/d5e28baf-5789-4b0f-acecfe370eee6223/fe8fa85a-f004-4a0c-81ee4b2b9cd12cbf/Briefing-on-COVID-19-autopsy-Feb-2020.pdf

Not all deaths "believed to be covid-19" are actually from covid-19, it may have been present but doesn't mean that is what actually caused the death. Like I say lots that we will never know, you think one thing, I think another, truth is usually somewhere in the middle.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 12:57:05 PM »

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 12:52:34 PM »
Conversely ............

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/covid-19-isnt-caused-by-bacteria/

I saw that and then also a few other things that it is now being looked into.

The problem with some of the factcheck websites is when you look into who part own some of them.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 12:51:17 PM »
Phil there are loads of  conspiracy theories out there about this virus and cures and if this report is true why isn't any government acting on it instead of putting their people though the pain that we are going though.

There is loads of conspiracy, there also loads of stuff the msm are either ignoring or just not covering or second guessing. Who knows what the truth is? we don't as we're all just pawns in this and will be the last to know the truth.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 12:37:49 PM »

Well blow me down, & a packet of soluble aspirin is only about £2:50 for 100.

As you were everybody.

sarcasm, lovely isn't it  :D

Can we keep it for elsewhere though please  :)

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 12:16:26 PM »
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it isn't true.  :D

Any evidence to back up that?  Just because you don't see things on the msm does not always make them wrong, lots are going on that we don't and will never know about regarding this virus.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Today at 12:11:41 PM »
Again its something we will never know as postmortems are not being held. I do know of someone who I will not name as its their business where someone was tested negative, died the following day and it was down as covid-19 on the death certificate, not hearsay, actual fact which begs the question of how many more does this apply to?

I also read a report which I will try to find but was at least a week or so ago now so doubtful where they did postmortems in Italy and it turned out not to be the actual virus that killed them. EDIT - Kev can't find the report so due to that its just hearsay until a time when I can find it, I have asked someone if they can remember where it was.

Kev, found it.

Who knows if its true, bull or what ???

Breaking Covid news! Italy has allegedly discovered covid is not a virus, but a bacterium. It clots the blood and reduces the oxygen saturation from dispersing throughout the body. They went against the World Health Organization's that no bodies be autopsied. When Italian Ministry of Health ordered many autopsies, they found the blood was clotted in all of the patients veins. They immediately started using aspirin 100mg and a coagulant medication. And have had immense success. 14,000 people were released from the hospital as healthy and covid free. Italy is demanding Bill Gates and the World health Organization be held accountable for crimes against humanity for misleading, misdirecting, and withholding life saving information from the world, which cost the lives of thousands. Ventilators and ICU units were not necessary. A mandated vaccine is not necessary. Covid19 is a bacterium, easily

treated with aspirin and coagulant. Spread the word! Make this global. Hopefully our president will learn about this and do something about it! Before we lose all of our constitutional freedoms.

Another article regarding it:

Carlie J Gardipee 2020

Coronavirus / Health

Discovery: Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)

Posted by Chinonyerem Emmanuella

It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.

According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.

Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists has shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.

If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.

However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.

The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot.

The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!

Also Read: Coronavirus: Safety Health Measures Beyond the Surgical Mask and Hand Sanitizers

“THE END OF COVID-19 IS NEAR”- GAIN AFRICA DIRECTOR DECLARES, BACKED W.H.O CHIEFS

This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:

“Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking, because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type, but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.”

In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.

In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.

If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.

An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.

In a nutshell, the disease is determined by a disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.

Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.

According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. “If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.”

“It is venous microthrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.”

According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.

Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese, until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.

Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.

He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.

The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyperreaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.

In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.

With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.

Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later..... Confirmation of last week's post where I was consistently told I was spreading false info. Thanks Marsha Reed

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 30, 2020, 05:05:45 PM »
Lads, final warning or this topic will be gone.

Keep it about the virus not Cummings and not the Government.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 09:11:03 PM »
I daren't answer that.  :-X

Good move  ;)

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 05:37:17 PM »
I think the government always knew, any lockdown was limited by various factors, up most being patience, personal discipline and conformity, it was always mostly about educating the masses knowing the true lockdown was a finite tool.

I agree, there was and still is a risk that some would see a full lockdown as a challenge and would never stick to it regardless of the fines etc imposed.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 05:30:11 PM »
Sorry Oldbury, but it is accurate against the definition for data collection purposes.

What does carry some doubt is instances where covid19 is mentioned on the death certificate.


As others have said, these two definitions were only introduced following pressure from the press.

Scientists will analyse the age adjusted excess death data to help to understand the pandemic

Exactly, which is more or less what I am saying in a round about way, there is doubt.

The press have a lot to answer for but thats for elsewhere.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 05:03:17 PM »
The data is not flawed, it's accurate against the definition.

It's not often, but this time I agree with Jacko, it's a series of data sets to demonstrate a political point, exactly the same as a set of data to show recovery would be.

The only data that scientists need is age corrected excess deaths, & then drill down to investigate causes.

The definition is not 100% accurate of all deaths as we just don't know no matter how you dress it up.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 05:01:33 PM »
But there's also complaints about people not having covid put down on their death certificate because of the amount of paper work involved or that they'd not been tested early on. 

We can see there's a massive amount of excess deaths - and even if it's not directly the cause of death - surely it's still part of the whole pandemic if they'd have survived any other time, like if they'd had an earlier cancer diagnosis or something?

Even if you ignore the number of deaths attributed to covid - look at the excess deaths.

I'm ignoring nothing, i'm just pointing out we will never know the true totals both in the UK or other countries around the world, yes there are excess deaths which I have not denied and are obviously part of it but a lot of factors are at play and the actual numbers will never be know no matter how we go about it.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 04:45:39 PM »
The ONS figures are based on two definitions:

1 - Death where covid19 is shown on the death certificate - suspected

2 - Death where covid19 is confirmed by a test - may have been a contributory factor

In any event, there have been a significant amount of excess deaths which will have to be investigated.

I know what they are based on but they are flawed given the one example I have provided which again is not hearsay but fact.

The last part I agree but we will never know the actual true figures, the one fact that is sadly not given much coverage is the number of recovered cases which suggests those who died have done so for other reasons in which this virus MAY have played a part similar to how other factors can contribute to other deaths.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 04:25:53 PM »
I share your opinion, the tone of messages now suggest it's all over.

For some it never started as some have not socially distanced from the very start.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 04:19:54 PM »
If Covid is on the death certificate wouldn't it be a contributing factor towards the person death,  if the person had for instance kidney failure bought on by them catching Covid - 19, wouldnt it state both kidney failure and Covid was the cause of death?

Again its something we will never know as postmortems are not being held. I do know of someone who I will not name as its their business where someone was tested negative, died the following day and it was down as covid-19 on the death certificate, not hearsay, actual fact which begs the question of how many more does this apply to?

I also read a report which I will try to find but was at least a week or so ago now so doubtful where they did postmortems in Italy and it turned out not to be the actual virus that killed them. EDIT - Kev can't find the report so due to that its just hearsay until a time when I can find it, I have asked someone if they can remember where it was.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 29, 2020, 03:25:23 PM »
I don't think we will ever know the truth about deaths in any countries, ours are including all deaths where it is stated on the death certificate which is not necessarily the actual cause of death and other countries we have no idea of what they are or are not including in their ttals.

Either way any death is a tragedy but the actual numbers is something I don't think anyone will know, experts or general public.

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 28, 2020, 07:06:28 PM »
Can we keep it on the virus please and not about Johnson

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Coronavirus
« on: May 28, 2020, 12:12:48 AM »
Lads, please refrain from mentioning the Durham incident, it has been made clear we will not be allowing any discussion of it whether intentional or not.

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