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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kenneth Zohore
« on: July 18, 2019, 03:19:14 PM »
Before Zohore moved to Cardiff permanently, he had a short loan spell there, scoring 2 goals in 12 appearances, of which only 2 were starts. He only played 258 minutes during that spell, averaging 1 goal every 129 minutes.

In his 2 full seasons in the Championship with Cardiff, he scored 21 goals in 65 appearances, 54 of which were starts.

His goal per minute average over those 2 seasons was 1 every 233 minutes, which is just over 1 goal per every 2.5 games.

He made 30 starts for Cardiff during their promotion season, so he has good experience and the pedigree of playing in a winning side in this division.

All things considered, his record at this level doesn't look too shabby to me.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System tactics personnel
« on: July 17, 2019, 10:06:15 AM »
I though the comment from Bilic about wanting to play 2 up top was interesting and actually very surprising considering how he has lined up teams elsewhere in addition to the signing of Krovinovic who plays as an 8 or a 10, neither position features in a 442.


Perhaps he's considering a diamond formation?


RB      CB        Hegazi     Gibbs


     Phillips                    LM


                 FW  FW

SUBS: Livermore, Bartley, Brunt, Burke, Kanu, Field, Bond

Leaving 5 to bring in as starters before the 3rd.

General Football & Sports / Re: Wimbledon
« on: July 13, 2019, 05:26:29 PM »

PEDerer trending on twitter, he's got a TUE apparently... Could explain his longevity.

PEDerer and TUE? What do you mean and what is a TUE?

Every player has his price .  It depends how confident Albion with their purchasing  !!!

The second point , Isn't that what I said !!!! , buy players first then get rid of anyone you want to sell.
However, we have done it the other way around and a lot of West Brom fans are getting nervous because as it stands our forward line is  HRK and Burke.

I know Bilic says we have irons in the fire but one fire went out yesterday when Callum Robinson went to Sheff Utd and we had bid for him.

At the moment our squad looks like a relegation battle squad. We have got one new player in and he's a loan and now there is only about 25 days to go !!!.

We need to be seeing at least one player a week from now, if not more.

While he's still likely to leave, as long as he's under contract than our current front line is Rondon as a sole striker in a 4-5-1 set-up. We need a CB, RB and LW to come into the first XI, and 3-4 squad players. We'll probably make a few signings in the next 3 and a bit weeks, and then make 4 (mostly loans) on deadline day.

If Rondon does go, then we'll need 1 more.

I'm confident that Slaven and the board will make some good signings by the window's close.

General Football & Sports / Re: Seals watch - Anything Villa
« on: July 13, 2019, 12:32:01 PM »
Villa really making a mockery of FFP, 100 mill spebt, and massive losses last year, really dont get it

Tell me about it. The funny thing is that even though they've spend £100m (and counting) I still expect them to be in a relegation scrap all season.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: July 13, 2019, 12:29:39 PM »
He did say about Chelsea being a wild card ?

Unpopular opinion, wolves are 3 good signings from the top 4

Yes, it's just that I think they're not. Hazard is in the top 5 players in the world IMO and the difference he made to this Chelsea side is immeasurable. I think they'll have to settle with vying with Wolves for 6th place while Arsenal push on under Emery and replace them in the top 4.

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL PREMIER LEAGUE THREAD
« on: July 13, 2019, 08:31:45 AM »
The way I see it is there is the usual split.

Top 6 with the usual suspects  but with a top four Man City Liverpool Spurs and Chelsea some distance ahead of Man U and Arsenal and there is nothing happening at either of those clubs which suggest they have their act together any more than they did last season. Chelsea are a bit of a wild card with appointment of Lampard loss of Hazard and the transfer ban all playing out.

Challenger Group Wolves Leicester Everton and West Ham. Doubt any of these will get into relegation trouble if Arsenal's and Man U's tribulations continue might break the top 6

The rest the remaining 10 will struggle to varying degrees and the 3 relegated teams will be drawn from this group. Sheffield  United and Norwich look weak but Newcastle seem to be in perpetual crisis and I wouldn't completely discount any of the more established teams unravelling.

The Premier League is ridiculously predictable isn't it? The only thing I would disagree with you on is Chelsea being in the top 4. Hazard's absence, along with having a relatively inexperienced, young manager in his first season at the club, will see them slipping and one from Arsenal and Man Utd taking their place.

General Football & Sports / Re: Seals watch - Anything Villa
« on: July 10, 2019, 07:53:45 PM »
Palace being the surprise?

They'll have money to spend after losing Wan-Bissaka and presumably Zaha but unlike Villa they haven't spent any of it yet and we all know only too well what leaving it to the last minute causes.

I think Palace will be OK. Wan-Bissaka only came through last season and I think they can replace him, even if it's a player without as much 'potential'. Zaha would be more difficult if he goes, but I imagine Roy will have a good replacement or two up his sleeve.

General Football & Sports / Re: Seals watch - Anything Villa
« on: July 10, 2019, 10:08:33 AM »
20m (plus add ons) for Mings is crazy. Good player, but he's still bottom half Prem standard at best and there has to be overseas players of equal ability who would be available for much less money.

As it stands I see Villa being in a 5 way relegation fight with Norwich, Sheffield, Brighton and Newcastle. Any 2 from these have a chance of staying up next season.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System tactics personnel
« on: July 05, 2019, 10:19:14 PM »
I still don't envisage any scenario where Brunt doesn't start in central midfield looking at our personnel.

I doubt very much Brunt will be playing centrally very much at all this season, even looking at our squad as it stands.


           NEW RB      NEW CB       Hegazi        Gibbs

Phillips     Livermore/Harper/NEW CM    Krovinovic      Brunt/NEW LW

                       Rodriguez   Rondon/NEW FW

SUBS: Bartley, Robson-Kanu, Burke, Field, NEW SIGNING, NEW SIGNING, Bond

I think we'll still see 6-7 new signings before the window shuts.


West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System tactics personnel
« on: July 05, 2019, 10:06:36 PM »
Think this might be worth updating with the developments of the last week

I am calling it now before a ball has been kicked but Slaven is going 4-3-3 just on the strength of the Filip Krovinovic signing.

This is what looks like at the moment first XI alternatives in brackets


Nyom            Bartley Hegazi                     Gibbs
(Wilson)     (Fittzwater) (O'Sea)             (Townsend)

                Livermore   Field
                (Brunt)    (    ?      )

                        (Harper / ?)

Phillips               Rodreguiz                  Robson-Kanu

(Edwards)          (   ?     )                      (   ?    )                       

To distill that into our immeadiate needs:

1 x Centre Forward 1x Wide Left attacker (i.e. left footed) 1x CM/DM the wide left forward and the midfielder needs to be of first choice calibre and the Centre Forward less so but right now they are just gaps.

In addition RB needs an upgrade on Nyom .

Equally if anyone leaves (except a right sided wide attacker) they need to be replaced. As ever while there is tons of speculation there are no hard offers on the table so a player under contract is still an Albion player.

The advanced playmaker role is pivotal to how the system works going forward if Harper doesn't sign we will need to source a back up or better first choice option than Krovinovic.

I haven't included Rondon much as I would like to but it seems very clear that he won't be an Albion player come the end of the window the club isn't even trying to pretend otherwise.

Now the contentious bit. I am very aware many fans don't rate Livermore,Robson-Kanu and Bartley in particular but the plain fact is they are on good contracts no other club is going to come in for them so other things being equal they will feature next season. For the most part I would hope as back ups to better and younger players but they aren't going to be replaced altogehter.

It's difficult to predict what system Bilic will prefer simply because there will be several more incoming's in the coming weeks, though you could well be correct with the 4-3-3 set-up.

Livermore, Bartley and Robson-Kanu are solid squad players at this level but I fancy they won't be regular starters this season.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: One month to go
« on: July 04, 2019, 01:56:01 PM »
Steve Bruce will get Sheff Wed rolling next season.
Colin will have Cardiff there or thereabouts
Fulham will buy their way up the table
Huddersfield will have kept their nucleus and will not be far away

add in to the pot Brizzle / Leeds / Forest / Boro / Stoke / Derby / Swansea

it will be a REALLY competitive league next season.

However I have faith in Slaven, if he has a half decent squad = top 2

This gets said most seasons to be fair. I have a similar feeling about this one as I did this time last year.

I think Cardiff and Leeds will be in and around the automatic spots come the season's end and expect Bristol to make the top 6.

I don't expect a great deal from Swansea, Middlesbrough, Derby and Forest and think they will all finish anywhere from 7th to 14th.

I'm undecided on Fulham, Stoke and Sheffield Wednesday. If Fulham lose Mitrovic I can see them finishing outside the top 6, keep him and I think they'll make the play-offs. A similar situation at Huddersfield, where if they keep Mooy they could well challenge for a play-off spot, but if they lose him they could well finish mid-table. Sheff Wednesday will do well, but I think they need more quality to make a proper promotion challenge. Stoke could go either way, challenge for promotion or do poorly with Jones sacked by Christmas.

Preston, Hull and Charlton are the dark horses.

My early top half and relegation prediction:

1. Cardiff
2. Leeds
3. Bristol
4. WBA
5. Fulham (If Mitrovic stays)
6. Huddersfield (If Mooy stays)
7. Sheff. Wednesday
8. Preston
9. Stoke
10 Middlesbrough
11. Charlton
12. Hull
22. Blues
23. Millwall
24. Wigan

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: One month to go
« on: July 04, 2019, 01:26:59 PM »
I don't understand how anyone hasn't missed it. I'm finding it torture. There's not even a World Cup / Euro Championship to ease the blow. (Women's stuff doesn't count).

Really cannot wait for normality to resume. Yep, no doubt, I'll moan like hell from time to time, that's part of being an Albion fan but at least life will seem normal again.

I hate summer, it's crap!  :(

I'm not missing it as it's good to have a break, but I'm already looking forward to it. Only 4 weeks to go!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: One month to go
« on: July 04, 2019, 01:18:51 PM »
GK: Johnstone/Bond

DF: NEW RB/Nyom; Gibbs/Townsend; Hegazi/NEW CB; Bartley/NEW CB

MF: Phillips/Livermore/Field/Brunt/Harper/NEW MF X 3

FW: Rondon/Rodriguez/HRK/Burke

Going by a rough guide of 2 players for each position, we need to bring in 6 more to make a squad of 22 senior pro's, if no-one else leaves.

I think those 6 will be comprise 2-3 permanent signings only, plus 3-4 loans.

If Harper moves on we will obviously need 1 more and of course this also applies to Rondon, though I'm convinced he will only be moving on if the club have a decent replacement lined up.

I also think Edwards, Rogers and Tulloch can play a more significant role this season.

It's going to be a busy month, but I'm confident Slaven and the club will do the business in that time frame.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: June 26, 2019, 09:12:07 PM »

The stat provided is since 2010 when David Silva made his debut. As clearly stated.

No, it wasn't.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: June 26, 2019, 09:10:51 PM »

I'm pulling your leg mate. Other people on here have indeed suggested other Albion players would be on the list given the same opportunities. Mind boggling.

So where are the West Ham players? Where are the Everton players? Stoke?

As you say Phillips takes a decent corner in fact when both play he takes half the corners. Where's he on the list?

So no they won't have that sort of record, it is an incredible record. Hence why the list isn't littered with set piece takers of other clubs, but rather is filled with world class midfield and attacking players, and Brunt.

The Premier League site has all the stats:


Brunt is 8th in the 'corners taken' table since the 2006/7 season (records only go back that far), with 748 in total.

Christian Eriksen has taken 750, James Milner has taken 778. Ashley Young is in first place with a whopping 922 corners taken.

It's also worth considering that many of these players have played in teams that have better strikers then we've had and therefore a higher conversion rate per chance created than Brunt has. It has been a lot easier for Silva to rack up assists playing for Man City when he has had Aguero, Tevez, Sterling etc to aim for during his time there.

It's difficult to deny that Brunt's record is very decent indeed.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: June 26, 2019, 08:49:40 PM »
David Silva made his premier league debut in August 2010. In a Most Premier League Assists table he is credited with 83 assists.

Chris Brunt is in 8th place with 47 assists.

Full Table

1. David Silva, 83
2. Christian Erickson, 60
3. Eden Hazard, 54
4. Wayne Rooney, 53
5. Mesut Ozil, 52
6. Cesc Fabregas
7. Juan Mata, 50
8. Chris Brunt
9. James Milner
10. Kevin De Bruyne, 46

Well done Chris, he is not out of place in some illustrious company and this highlights what an important player he has been for Albion

Brunt is actually 40th in the Premier League assist records.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: June 25, 2019, 08:52:32 PM »
Yeah , get a good talented loan player who then gets called back to his parent club half way through the season and messes your whole season up !!!    Sound familiar !!!

So we shouldn't use the loan market in case any players may be recalled in January? We would be cutting off our nose to spite our face. While losing Barnes was a blow our form got no worse after he had left anyway!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: June 24, 2019, 03:01:11 PM »
there was always a possiblity as long as the Rondon deal was on the table but no way now.

He will be snapped up by another championship side such as  Fulham and then deliver 20+ goals for them guaranteed.

I imagine Newcastle will want to bring in a striker before loaning out Gayle again and they'll have to bring in a manager first. With only 6 weeks to go until the close of the window, I fancy he'll be staying at Newcastle now.

The phrases used were "Quality strikers" and "excellent". 

To be fair I would class most of those as decent.  Just not at that level above.

Baggie82's comment: 'I’ve been watching us since 1993, in the last 26 years the only strikers worth mentioning have been Super Bob, Andy Hunt, Hughes, Lukuku, Odemwingie, SKP and Gayle. That’s 7 in 26 years!'

Earnshaw's, Roberts', Kamara's and JROD's goal-scoring records at Championship level are all excellent and it seems a bit harsh to suggest they're not worth mentioning.

Goodman, Peschi, Roberts, Earnshaw, Kanu, Kamara, Miller, Berahino, J-Rod.... They are all a long way from what I would call excellent.  At best you could point to a couple of purple patches and that's about it.

I'm probably being a bit harsh on Kanu as he was a very talented forward, but his goal scoring record wasn't great. 

Like it or not, finding top strikers, even for this level is not easy, even if you're willing to pay the money.  When you're doing it on the cheap it's even tougher.  The odds are stacked against you.  We are more likely to spend money on an HRK quality player than we are on unearthing the next young Lukaku.

So the question is, do we risk spending £Xm on a player who *might* do it at this level.  Or do we spend £Ym on a player who can do it at this level?

I think the point though was that baggie82 said there had only been 7 'decent' forwards  since 1993, which is being harsh on quite a few 'decent' forwards we have had over that period.

Roberts and Kamara were better all round attackers than Gayle IMO. Roberts in particular was unlucky with injury in the 2002 promotion season otherwise I fancy he would have got 20+ goals. Kamara reached 20 goals in his one season in the Championship.

JROD is underrated and regardless reached the 20+ goal mark last season. His record for his last 3 full seasons in the Championship is 1 per every 2.4 games. Earnshaw's career record in the Championship is 1 for every 2.5 games, Roberts is around 1 in 2.3, Gayle's is around 1 in 1.8.

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Conspiracy Theories
« on: June 19, 2019, 11:11:56 AM »
the only issue you have is we know the equipment is there, you'd be suggesting that they faked the landing but robotically landed the tech on the moon in secret?? between the Soviets and Americans they both managed 65 landings in the space of a decade, not one has been refuted by the other nation, as Costa said could you imagine the reaction if Russia could prove that their greatest rival had lied to the world?

The evidence available just doesn't suggest it was faked, Apollo 11 or otherwise.The LRO would not be used as a reference and laser ranging wouldn't work it it wasn't physically there.

There have only been 6 manned moon landings, the last of which was in 1972. The rest have been done 'remotely', with many of these being 'soft' landings. The Russians managed to bring back soil samples robotically during the 60's, so remotely placing reflectors on the surface (as well as other craft/objects) is entirely plausible.

As to the Russians not exposing the fraud (if there was one), there could be any number of practical or political reasons why they have either been unable or unwilling to do this.

I'm not saying this means the landings were faked, but these explanations against the theories are not air-tight.

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Conspiracy Theories
« on: June 18, 2019, 07:37:06 PM »
The only conspiracy theory I actually believe is the Titanic being switched. Most of them seem like complete rubbish.

I used to think the Titanic one was too bizarre to be true but after reading a book regarding the theory a few years ago the whole scam actually now seems pretty plausible.

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Conspiracy Theories
« on: June 18, 2019, 07:31:12 PM »
For anyone interested in conspiracy theories, as I am, I thought I would start a thread where all the latest or new conspiracy theories on events can be posted.

I have been fascinated over the years by JFK’s assassination, 9/11 and how influential American individuals and business sponsored the rise of Adolf Hitler and Natzism during his early years and during WWII, etc.

It is hard to believe that it is now over five years since the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 and we still have no credible explanation based on solid evidence describing what actually happened to the aircraft. The link below is an interesting, if somewhat long, article that seeks to shed more light on the events leading up to and during the disappearance of flight MH370.

Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/mh370-malaysia-airlines/590653/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

I'm interested in these subjects as well. I've always been fascinated by the JFK assassination (I'm a bit of a buff on that one) as well as RFK's and MLK's. 9/11 too is a pretty big can of worms, though I haven't looked into that for a few years now.

I don't have too much knowledge of the disappearance of flight MH370, but I'll have a read of the article you've linked to later this evening.

1) What would we get in return: the best striker in the championship, a goal machine who is 29 this year not 34 as some of the posters imply.
2) If we don't go back up we can't afford fro keep him / we can't afford his wages if we don't go up: Not true, no reason why the sale of Rondon can't fund his wages over 2/3 years. We have already removed Barry, Morrison, Hoolahan, Mears & Myhill from the wages.
3) We can't mortgage the sale of the club based on signing one player - agreed but that's not the case, scare mongering. If Newcastle will compromise by paying us circa £6m plus Gayle for Rondon (or another club buys him at his clause and Newcastle accept £10m for Gayle) then no reason why we can't try to resign him. We have the flexibility with all parachute money, player sales, squad size.

£10m on Gayle over three years is a good investment, you get what you pay for with him. Bear in mind every chance of J-Rod going as well so that would be £26m in him and Rondon alone. The idea that the club would be risking it's financial future doesn't add up when you look at the income, player assets and wages.

I can't see the first happening, it's basically a swap. Newcastle can sit it out until January or even the end of the season and sign him at a cut price or for free and keep Gayle (who has 2 years left on his contract). I also
 doubt anyone else will trigger the release clause when he has a year left on his contract.

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