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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jay Rodriguez
« on: July 09, 2019, 02:32:52 PM »
Officially gone

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/july/rodriguez-returns-to-burnley/

Jay Rodriguez has joined Burnley for an undisclosed fee.
The 29-year-old, who came through the Clarets’ youth system before signing for Southampton in 2012, departs having scored 33 goals in 90 appearances for Albion in two full seasons at The Hawthorns.
The Club wish Jay and his family all the very best for the future and thank him for his efforts during his time with us.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 09, 2019, 02:10:13 PM »
Reports on Twitter that U18's boss Mike Scott is leaving to go to Derby County as Head of Academy Coaching

https://twitter.com/mattwilson_star/status/1148574479125307395

I think what's worse than us being unable to stop youth players leaving to other clubs, is allowing the people that run this successful academy to leave. Why are we allowing people so important to our youth system to leave, this is surely something that we can prevent?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Morgan Rogers
« on: July 09, 2019, 12:48:12 PM »
Secure £8 Million (hopefully with a sell on clause of some sort) for the lad and just like that, the Academy's existence is re-validated.

Yes it's frustrating to lose players to a foreign club for a nominal fee (something you would hope FIFA address at some point), but selling domestically whenever we uncover a gem is financially worth it for us.

I would reject earlier calls for the academy to be canned on this basis alone, but then there is always the chance these players can also burst onto the scene for our own team too.

Not to mention the potential impact of Brexit on player transfers in and out of this country - British based players will be at a further premium (already are to an extent) and we must think long term with how we treat the academy with this in mind as well.

Have to agree with this. It is painful to lose potentially top players to bigger clubs when you hope they could have become a quality player for us. But if we keep producing these kind of players then we will make a tidy profit and hopefully the odd star can slip through their clutches and we can then sell for more around the Wan-Bissaka fee after they have done well for our first team

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Morgan Rogers
« on: July 09, 2019, 11:10:41 AM »
https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategorized/9467707/man-city-west-brom-morgan-rogers/

Wow

8 mil? Crazy money for a kid who hasn't started a league game, I can forgive us letting him go for that

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 05, 2019, 02:37:10 PM »
So we offered Lourie Barry a 3 year deal and PSG offered him a 5 year deal. :o For god sake why didn't we at least offer 5 years as well with lots of clauses and incentives to ratchet up his wages for appearances and goals? It's a shocking state of affairs when we can't even put together a quality package for 16 year old "wonderkid" when we have income of £50m and barely 20 first team players on the books. This just smacks as another example of the club being mismanaged.

For me a 5 year contract to a kid who cant even buy a lottery ticket isn't the way to go, regardless of how good he might become. I don't know what the offers elsewhere will be financially but if were to offer him say 5k per week for 5 years (a guess at what the PSG offer might look like) then not only is that a large financial commitment to a player of that age, but what stops Morgan Rogers, Jamie Soule etc. asking for similar or walk. At some point you have to draw the line at what you are prepared to pay such a young player. If reports are right, a 3 year contract including a year on a pro contract is a very good offer and one I doubt we have ever offered a youth player before

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Bigger Club or Albion?
« on: July 05, 2019, 02:01:47 PM »
just for fun and sort of prompted by the decision by Barry to reject Albions contract offer, i know he is not an albion fan but...

if you were a professional footballer and had the offer to remain at your boyhood club of Albion at 10k a week in the  championship say, or £80k a week at a club like Everton/Spurs/Arsenal, what would you do?

Although it pains me to say it, if someone offered me 70k per week more (3.64mil per year) then I would struggle to refuse that.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 05, 2019, 01:56:53 PM »
Real shame to lose Barry, I was hoping he could at least 'do a rooney' and break into a first team at 16/17, the get bought a couple of years later by one of the elite

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Filip Krovinovic
« on: July 05, 2019, 01:36:08 PM »
Feel generally positive about this one. Quick look at a Benfica forum though (poorly translated through google) and it is mixed reviews, some feel he was great when they started and just needs a good run of games to get back there. Others feel that when he had his injury he couldn't be bothered much and a number of them talk about women and wine. Ill remain optimistic though but reserve judgement until he has a couple of games under his belt

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Filip Krovinovic
« on: July 01, 2019, 02:00:37 PM »
translation follows (courtesy of google), sounds very positive

Krovinovic will represent West Bromwich next season as a loan from Benfica. The midfielder knew that he was not in the accounts of Bruno Lage and since the end of the season that was looking for a new team, with the aim of being able to act more regularly. There were several emblems to present proposals by the player, but it turned out to be the formation that militates in the second echelon of English soccer to win this race.

The benfiquistas managers have settled another dossier and already guarantee a fitting of 300 thousand pounds, equivalent to 335 thousand euros. This figure can double if the team led by Slaven Bilic - coach in the process - rise to the Premier League.

Moreover, Record knows, West Bromwich will have to pay 110 mln euros in the event that the average 23-year-old does not play half the games.

Krovinovic has also presented himself to work on Monday, but will soon travel to England to make this change official.

I hope that's not meant to mean we pay Benefica 110 million euros if he doesn't play half the games! That's one way to guarantee your loaned-out players game time I guess

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: June 28, 2019, 02:33:07 PM »
Its actually a fairly common practice, in fact off the top of my head we loaned Dawson immediately back to Rochdale when we bought him.

I think the point would be if they signed him on a free/minimal compo and then expecting us to maintain his development. If he was going to come and be a vital/key player then we have a reason to want him back but otherwise it is a waste of loan recruitment and game time for other young players in the squad

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General Football & Sports / Re: Women's World Cup
« on: June 28, 2019, 11:43:19 AM »
Ironically I thought the free kick for the third goal was very soft and our player handballed it while on the floor before the freekick was awarded.

Hey-ho, good finish

I thought the same, couldn't really see why we got the freekick. Either way, it was a cracking finish


I have to say, I am enjoying the unknown in the sense that I know little about the quality of the teams in the tournament apart from France and USA are meant to be the best? Its been refreshing watching a game but without a predetermined opinion on who is/isnt any good

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Louie Barry
« on: June 27, 2019, 04:37:55 PM »
Hopefully this will put him off joining the Barca youth

https://talksport.com/football/564794/barcelona-la-masia-academy-lionel-messi-pique-decline/


Barcelona’s world famous academy, La Masia, is in a serious state of decline, according to reports.
The academy has a rich history when it comes to bringing through talent and has produced some of the best players in history.

Messi is a famous product of the La Masia academy and is arguably the greatest player to ever play for the club’s first team, but where will the next Messi come from? It won’t be La Masia, according to recent reports
Names such as Lionel Messi, Xavi, Andres Iniesta, Carles Puyol, Gerard Pique, Sergio Busquets, Pedro and Victor Valdes have gone on to be huge successes for Barcelona.

However, in recent seasons, the club has failed to blood talent of that world class calibre, with perhaps Sergi Roberto being the last notable player to feature in the first team.
But his debut for the Catalan giants came in 2013 and that means it is six years since a a graduate of note has made the step up.

Ara journalist Xavi Torres has outlined reasons for the decline and has explained exactly why La Masia is ‘sick.’
Torres explains why Barca president Josep Maria Bartomeu’s ‘Masia 360’ strategy has been a spectacular failure, saying he put the wrong people in charge, which cost the club a lot of money.
It also highlights how many of the players in the academy are loanees and the coaches in charge, do not understand the Barcelona philosophy, while the food is said to fall below the lowest nutritional standards.
La Masia's demise

- Of the 48 football players who live in La Masia right now, most of them are loanees and reserves
- Rooms meant to accomodate the players have been turned into offices and there is no longer a gym and the swimming tracks are out of bounds
- An audio visual room where the players studied football matches and spent time together has also been converted into a room for staff
- La Masia does not meet the lowest nutrition standards required
- The coaches employed do not have an understanding of the club’s philosophy which is refered to the ‘Barca DNA’
- Tutors do not think tutoring the players is necessary, with many saying what the teacher wants to hear in order to leave the sessions early
- According to La Masia officials 40-50 cases (serious illnesses of family members, separation of parents, economic problems etc) happen every year

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Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Conspiracy Theories
« on: June 19, 2019, 04:48:01 PM »
There is so much that is 'classified' and records destroyed that we wont know the truth with many of the conspiracy's that float around and I am generally very sceptical


However...

JFK was assassinated by the CIA - I think it was due to the vision he had to have a partnership with Russia with the Apollo moon landing after the Cuban Missile Crisis and the realisation of how close they came to nuclear war. I think there are powerful people in the US government that felt it wasn't in the United States 'interest' to have a partnership with Russia and preferred the option of the war machine created today. Erika Gregory references this in a TEDtalk a couple of years ago

Rothschilds have been doing a few less than ethical things since the Battle of Waterloo

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Very happy with this appointment not just because I think he is a decent coach, but if he has agreed to sign then he surely must have been given assurances with bringing players in etc. I doubt he would have joined us just to be asset stripped and rely on kids and has-beens.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: June 12, 2019, 04:10:40 PM »
If Barcelona do really come in for Barry then I think its very likely he will go there. The only thing about Barcelona's academy is I believe they run it a little different to academies here as they have over 300 youth players in their academy spread over a few teams. I hope the fact he might be just another number they put in the mixer trying to reproduce Xavi, Iniesta, Messi etc. and that he would have to completely change his environment at such a young age might put him off? Probably not, but here's hoping

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General Football & Sports / Re: Saido Berahino
« on: May 28, 2019, 12:07:31 PM »
Most employers would sack you over this yes. But outside of team sports, there is no industry which pays very large sums of money to gain an employee from another company, especially on a year to year basis. The value of an employee at a football club is that they are one of 30 odd players that have a direct impact on company performance and by sacking that player you are effectively zero'ing the value of an asset worth millions. It puts the club in a very difficult position when it comes to gross misconduct

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General Football & Sports / Re: Seals watch - Anything Villa
« on: May 28, 2019, 11:58:31 AM »
Apparently, due to Villa's promotion then a clause in Ross McCormacks contract means they will have to pay him £70k per week! Not played a game in 2 years mind

https://twitter.com/AdamCatterall/status/1133296362395721728

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Next manager...
« on: May 15, 2019, 12:35:31 PM »
A couple of names not mentioned, Mikel Arteta, Darren Fletcher.

Would be very interesting, I just can't see it happening. It will always be hard to pull away a key member of staff from a powerhouse such as Man City. He is much more likely to get a job at a decent La Liga side like Valencia.

If we could get him though I'm sure he will play the kind of football that we would love to see and attract some decent names

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: May 15, 2019, 12:09:48 PM »
Also, the Hawthorns was absolutely rocking last night. I wasn't able to make the game but managed to watch it on the box and the whole ground was behind the team. Wolves as much as I hate to admit it do a lot to get the custard bowl fired up with all their pyrotechnics etc. makes a difficult atmosphere for teams to come to. Would love the Albion to do more to fire up the crowd at the start of games

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: May 15, 2019, 12:06:39 PM »
Tough one to take last night. On one hand I am immensely proud of the performance put in by the players on the pitch, put themselves on the line and defended with honour. On the other hand it highlighted all of the issues that we have had this year, from not appointing a new manager to clearly not bolstering the forward line. At the end of the last season it was clear that we didn't have enough forward options and we didn't do anything to increase these numbers. Villa were poor overall and made several errors that we just didn't capitalise on and I am sure if we had Barnes running at them it would have been a very different game. In saying that, I think if we had Barnes still we would have come a lot closer to finishing 1st/2nd, Murphy was just not an adequate replacement

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Rekeem Harper
« on: May 13, 2019, 01:38:39 PM »
A real shame, thought he had all the attributes to be a top player but if he is making waves like this already at 18 he will eventually end up back down in the championship or lower for the rest of his career. To get to the top with football you have to have more than just play a bit, you need hard work and to be a good pro to name a few

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General Football & Sports / Re: Iker Cassilas
« on: May 03, 2019, 10:36:49 AM »
One of, if not, the best keepers in the world back in the day hope he makes a speedy recovery

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: May 03, 2019, 10:20:09 AM »
I think this is a great opportunity to give some of our youngsters the taste of competitive first team football. We have nothing really to play for except momentum and as Derby will need a win they will be well up for it. Also gives them the experience of playing in front of the Sky cameras to use for further motivation. For me we should at least start some of the fringe first team youth such as Edwards and have Rogers on the bench. Not saying we should field a whole team of youth players but its definitely a chance to get some really good experience

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Michael Appleton
« on: April 26, 2019, 02:27:44 PM »
He's here for a few games guys, to help out. Relax.

It's at the end of the season you want to all start getting your knickers in a knot when it comes to appointing our new head coach. Now that DOES fill me with dread.

Appy helping out Shan - Meh!

Exactly, its not a major issue for me. Bring in someone that Shan has worked with before, that he can bounce tactical ideas off. Not likely to have a negative impact and he knows a lot of the players already so maybe can help get the message across to the players

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