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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Promotion race 2018/2019
« on: March 18, 2019, 12:09:34 PM »
Only way we get autos is if we win every game. Even then 91 points may not be enough.

Not that I think we will win every game but the chances of not getting automatic promotion on 91 points would be a first

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: March 07, 2019, 12:30:35 PM »

Jenkins is jetting out to the Far East with finance director Lee Cooper and chief commercial officer Simon King.

They will provide a progress report to Lai and his associates from Palm, the eco-town development company Albion’s owner is affiliated to.

But the main reason behind the visit is to discuss the financial and commercial realities of next season.

Lai is keen to find out the differences between winning promotion to the Premier League and a second season in the Championship.

Albion are currently in fourth place, seven points off the top two and automatic promotion, although they remain in the play-off spots.

Should the Baggies fail to bounce back at the first opportunity, their parachute payments will dwindle from £41.5million this season to an estimated £34m.

If they win promotion, they are set to receive more than £100m in prize money from the Premier League next season.

Jenkins regularly flies out to China to deliver progress reports to Albion’s majority shareholder.

However, Lai is not a regular visitor to The Hawthorns, and has attended just one game this season.

He is represented in England by executive director Ke Xu, who is based at Albion’s training ground.

Cooper joined the club in 2016 and was appointed finance director in August 2017. He oversees all areas of finance at the club.

King was appointed commercial officer in February 2017 after seven years in the same role at Hull City. He has also previously worked for Stockport County.

Oh dear is he really that clueless. ???

Surely it would have been better to discuss the impact of not being promoted before the January transfer window at least. Not a fat lot he can do about it now

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Fans reminded of ticket conditions
« on: February 19, 2019, 03:17:15 PM »
Could have finger print readers on all the gates
I’ve worked at a few factories that have them
Problem sorted

I know personally I am reluctant to willing give over all data about myself including biometric data just to watch a football match. This also includes requiring fingerprint information on all ticket holders such as under 18's which will never happen

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Team
« on: February 19, 2019, 03:01:55 PM »
Good point.

Id guess it would mean Sako would still be here so he would have been starting tonight, with possibly Hoolahan coming in.

As much as I don't rate Murphy at least there is the possibility he will improve over the season, wheareas Sako it much more likely just to get injured again

General Football & Sports / Re: OFFICIAL CHAMPIONSHIP THREAD
« on: February 18, 2019, 01:46:55 PM »
Potentially interesting news, Kemar Roofe's currently out with a knee ligament injury.


Massive for our game in a couple of weeks time, Roofe is involved in a lot of Leeds goals one way or another they will miss him big time

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Confession
« on: February 08, 2019, 01:18:04 PM »
I was dragged up to Buxton for the final game of the season a few years ago when Sir Alex managed his last game against us and was a 5-5 draw. Biggest regret of my life

Non Sports/ Non Politics Board / Re: Liam Neeson
« on: February 08, 2019, 12:31:22 PM »
Not that I defend his actions (I find racist behaviour sickening) but from listening to the interview it comes across he was explaining his mind set at the time and that he found his behaviour disgusting. Whether he set this publicity up is another question but a remorseful former racist is far better than a current racist which I don't think he is. On another note I have no idea how many black men lived in Ireland in the 1970's but I doubt it is many and I think unfortunately public opinion on race was very different then. Not that this condones it but I don't imagine he is the only person who has regrets their view point when they were younger

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Darren Moore sacked
« on: February 07, 2019, 05:51:01 PM »
Absolutely no chance.

I would bet my house on DM not losing his job before the end of the season.

The only way he loses his job in the summer would be if we exploded now and didn't even make the playoffs, even though I would probably hazard a guess at him still remaining in a job.

DM has dealt with a lot in his time in his first job, steadying a sinking ship that couldn't buy a win in the premier league, dealing with all the chaos in the summer, no club structure, dealing with all the ins and outs, being given a very limited budget to try and mount a promotion challenge, changed the style of play, brought the club together, changed the perception of the club to others, bring back a little bit of pride to be a baggie, has us sitting just off the top 2, 2nd highest scorers in the country, introduced several youth team players into the first team squad.

All that plus more in his first managerial job is incredible. You only have to look at Villa, Stoke, Swansea to see how hard it is to fall on your feet in this league and be challenging straight away.

Give the bloke a bloody break, hes done a great job, he is going to get things wrong of course he is, its his first job, he's learning as he goes. Quite frankly some of the fans who want him sacked, would be better off toddling down the M6 and going to support the Vile.

Anyone would think we are sitting 16th in the club and not having a clue what to do each game.
Can't agree more with this. Yes I think there are some decisions of Moore's that I disagree with but overall he is doing a stand up job. This time last year we were bottom of the premier league with something like 3/4 wins in around 40 games (This hardly improved until DM). Since he took over he gained some dignity back with the final few results in the PL and then mounted a strong promotion push in arguably the most competitive league going. Yes we have a lot of 'premier league stars', as a lot of opposition clubs have said but we all know how little that can really mean. Stoke had a lot of 'premier league' players as have a number of teams over the years but not many are able to bounce straight back up

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: West Bromwich who?
« on: February 07, 2019, 04:16:18 PM »
West Bromwich Throstles?

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 07, 2019, 04:14:53 PM »
Watched him when he came on as sub for England when they played at Walsall during the summer. He looked decent in his age bracket back but lacked that little something. Last night against grown men I'd say he's come on a lot since then.

Obviously needs to get his knocks in and toughen up but he's sharp and has good movement. Nowhere near the starting eleven in the league for me but I like the look of him and would have no qualms about him coming on sparingly as a sub' when opponents begin to tire.

First time I've seen Rogers. Whatever anyone thinks of his performance last night getting real game time into his legs against experienced pros (regardless of how often they've started this season) will have done him the world of good.

Agree with this, I felt that he wasn't used to having less time on the ball than he would of in youth age groups

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: February 07, 2019, 01:25:13 PM »
Bitter defeat to take

1. We have some really promising kids, a real advert for them on National TV
2. Bartley is horrendous
3. Brighton should have been down to 10 men and over 90 minutes that would have taken its toll
4. I wish HRK could hit a football consistently as he has excellent work rate
5. Wrong subs made but I don't totally blame DM for the loss, the ref played their part (I think there is a bit of an agenda with some Albion fans to just dislike whatever Moore does. Even if they don't know it)

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: February 02, 2019, 04:48:59 PM »
Terrible day to get no points, guaranteed to get further away from the top 2

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: February 02, 2019, 04:28:19 PM »
Finally keeping the ball on the deck more and they can’t deal with it. Took a while but playing well now

Its the key against Pulis teams, score 2 against them and I think the players know deep down that they are unlikely to score 2/3 more goals

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: February 02, 2019, 03:27:43 PM »
Love of god. Come on Albion, 1-1 at half time please , a loss will be a huge blow for our top 2 campaign

Especially with Leeds and Norwich playing each other today. Really need 3 points here to keep up the chase

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jacob Murphy
« on: January 30, 2019, 04:36:42 PM »
Jacob Murphy on loan from @NUFC looks like it will be priority target achieved but almost certainly won't be @WBA only new arrival before tomorrow night.

BBC reporter.

I think getting in Murphy and Chalobah would make up for the loss of Barnes overall. Not bothered about losing Sako or Burke but would be nice to get another attacking midfielder in to help with the numbers

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: January 30, 2019, 03:53:18 PM »
http://forum.comeonboro.com/index.php?topic=135487.0  Going for the Pulis classic 0-1

Not a lot of confidence in any of the Boro forums to be fair, reminds me of our jolly old time playing pulis-ball and worrying about playing any team that has the capability of scoring more than 1 goal

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Bakary Sako Signs: Official
« on: January 25, 2019, 11:35:06 AM »
Rumours floating about on Twitter that he’s having a medical at Palace and they will be taking over his contract....

Don't feel he has really offered anything productive since he has been here and we cant afford/not worth him taking half a season to get in to the swing of things. Personally I hope he can make the switch and get him off our books but if he does then we need to replace him. All it takes is for J/Rod and Gayle to be out for a game and we are left with HRK up top on his own, which we can all agree wont be enough.

For the record I think we need to replace Barnes still anyway and I cant see us bringing in 2 more forwards in the next 6 days

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Oliver Burke loaned to Celtic
« on: January 25, 2019, 10:49:54 AM »
bet you a tenner they dont

I think I'm more hopeful than anything! 

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Jay and Dwight
« on: January 25, 2019, 10:46:45 AM »
What a difference a year makes aye!

Credit to DM.

Echo this, good man management to get the squad to enjoy their football again

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Oliver Burke loaned to Celtic
« on: January 24, 2019, 01:36:42 PM »
I can't see anyway Celtic will pay £10m for Burke no matter how well he does. That would be their record signing and they only paid more than £6m for a player once in nearly 20 years.

Celtic record signings:

Odsonne Édouard   £9,000,000   15 June 2018
Chris Sutton      £6,000,000   11 July 2000   
John Hartson           £6,000,000        2 August 2001   
Israel Eyal Berkovic   £5,750,000   8 July 1999   [
Neil Lennon      £5,750,000        December 2000   
Rafael Scheidt           £4,800,000   1 January 2000   
Olivier Ntcham           £4,500,000   12 July 2017

If he does well, the best we can hope for from Celtic in my opinion will be around £5m with a decent resale percentage. Celtic in general just don't spend that kind of money.

They may do if he does well there but Rangers win the title

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Guochuan Lai
« on: January 24, 2019, 12:06:45 PM »
I dont know but my guess with Lai would be something like this.

Lai and his group wanted to buy / invest into english football when there seemed to be a boom with other chinese owners, they werent going to buy into one of the top 6 from the premier league, its too expensive. The likes of West Ham and Newcastle are basket case clubs and as Newcastle are finding now, Ashley puts a high price on them and as the Blues can vouch for, with Gold and Sullivan in charge at West Ham, they would want a premium.

Lai's group are investors so they are looking for a good deal, and therefore at some point they want a return on their money, the Wolves are exactly the same, i doubt the Fosun Group used to have posters of Mike Stowell and Robbie Dennison on their walls, they brought into Wolves to make money, the difference is they have Mendes who has a pool of players who he puts in the shop window, the top ones will be sold for big bucks, and the cycle continues, its working well for them at the moment, the issue will be if the authorities clamp down on it.

As for Lai, as far as premier league clubs go we would be about good as you could get, aside from the top 6 and the basket case clubs, we were relatively cheap (in football terms), we were stable (i think 6 or 7 years in the premier league when he took over), debt free and just a well oiled machine (on the surface)

I think his first interview he said it would be business as usual, ie - follow the JP model, which would be tick over in the premier league, they can promote and tap into the far east market a bit (the big boys have most of the pie but with how big the market is, if you can just have a little nibble you will still make plenty).

Basically, keep the money coming in, the incomings get bigger but so do the overheads (bigger fees, wages, etc) but at the end of each season i would imagine the group would put a percentage aside somewhere in the accounting (even if they dont withdraw it) which is their return on the investment, the whole time your in the premier league the club becomes more valuable, have a nice little return each year then in x amount of years, sell it on, make a nice profit due to the club being more valuable, its what JP did but with Lai the stakes are higher as there is money to be made but more to be lost too.

Thats all well and good when it lasts but as i think Stan pointed out above, your only one season away from that collapsing (ie - relegation!) I dont imagine Lai had a great knowledge of the workings of a football club when he took over so he did the sensible thing, appointed a couple of safe proven 'football' people who did (Williams and Goodman) again, what he probably didnt allow for was that been a disaster, whether it was they were too old, they were outdated, no longer upto the job, who knows but they were terrible appointments.

I think overall Peace did a very good job at the Albion but the last couple of years he was obviously looking to sell and therefore protecting his sale of the club with the appointment of Pulis, a man who had no relegations on his CV and so you were pretty much guarenteed to be premier league (ie - high value) when he sold the club.

I think from the appointment of Pulis tracing back to the changing of Director of Football every 5 minutes after Ashworth went, to the appointments like Mel and Irvine, the sanctioning of signings of players who barely kicked a ball or who we lost a lot of money on (Big Vic, Sess, Ideye, etc) it was clear he was just looking for quick fixes, just doing enough to get the club through until he sold it. Until the last couple of years of his reign i always thought Peace had a sensible plan and vision and overall he did a good job in my book but the last couple of years maybe tarnished things as by giving Pulis full control we were left with short term fixes but longer term problems, ie - players with lower resale value and big wages.

As for Lai, what i think he has done well is press the reset button, we were sinking and so he got Jenkins in who knows how to deal with that situation, he has done it before, turned it round and got us back to the premier league (which is all the owners will want) he isnt scared to make unpopular decisions but he has a proven track record. I also think Jenkins was there with the days of Ashworth, bargain signings, etc so i imagine we will return to that, signs are there with the appointment of a young eager coach in Mooro (Mowbray), Dowling as DOF (Ashworth), signing Townsend, Barnes (Harvey not Giles!) etc.

If we go up i would think there will be a couple of bigger names (helps with the marketing too) but also a number of foreign players we probably havent too much about, the same will probably apply even if we stay down just on a smaller scale. I think gone are the days of a glamour signings like a Anelka, Chadli, Greg, Sturridge even if we do get back up, i think we will eventually see the Albion model of mid to late 2000's and its something i personally am pleased about (with ideal a few more of our own youngsters involved this time round)

I know people slate Lai, saying lack of ambition, etc but its worth remembering the Albion is worth a lot more to him being in the premier league than is in the championship, so its in his interests more than anyone to get there even if we dont always understand the methods, but its a lot easier for Lai to make money through the football side than it is to sell land, the ground, etc, etc.

Great post, I think you are on the money (no pun intended) with how Lai expected this to turn out and what he has tried to do about it. The reason we got relegated wasnt really down to Lai in my opinion. I think with each year you have Pulis as manager of the club it slowly turns the squad into an ageing crop of players that have no real finishing edge and the reason he doesn't get relegated is due to him eventually getting sacked after he stopped being able to generate wins through lack of goals. That becomes difficult to turn around when you have a bunch of strong characters that are used to playing that way of football. This is a footballing issue which I wouldn't expect a Chinese business man to understand and he brought people in to spot these issues before there is no return. Unfortunately, Williams and Goodman were a disaster and really screwed his investment.

We are at a point of stick or twist I feel as Lai has 2 options. 1, invest in players that will give us the difference we need to make top 2, which may or may not pay off and cause a bigger loss if we don't go up. Or 2, continue with the current plan of only getting players in if we can do it as cheaply as possible and believe that the current crop is good enough to go up anyway. My worry is he will go with the latter which I think is just as much of a gamble because if we don't go up this year then we will lose our better players due to not being able to service their contracts without SkyPrem money and the value of the club will reduce further.

I hope I am wrong but if I'm not then DM needs to pull this out of the bag for the second half of the season

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 22, 2019, 04:02:46 PM »
I said before the game I would be happy with 3 points and a clean sheet so I can't complain  ;D

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Team
« on: January 17, 2019, 01:26:47 PM »
Hope Harper keeps his place and Philips back to right wing. We need pace on the front after Barnes left.
No more Gayle at left wing please.


Holgate     Dawson      Hegazi      Gibbs
               Harper   Barry    Brunt

              Philips     Gayle    J-Rod

If Holgate can continue to play as he did in his first 2 games then I would hate to be the LB playing against him and Phillips in that formation. Our right wing has the ability to go past anyone in the division and if they don't will likely put an excellent ball in. Jonathan Grounds is the usual Bolton LB but he is poor and can't get into the Blues team, DM should target him and get the ball down the right as often as possible. All depends on Phillips fitness though I suppose

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Goals
« on: January 14, 2019, 12:55:00 PM »
It's nice to keep hearing on the radio, TV, social media etc that we're the Championship's top scorers. I've missed hearing positives, because it feels as though for the past 8 years we've been bombarded with negative media. It's also superb that we have two players in the top 10 goal scorers in the league at present.

Just looking at the statistics of goal scoring at the top (as of 13th Jan, after 27 games):

Goals for / Avg. per game
WBA 55 / 2.03
Norwich 49 / 1.81
Leeds 46 / 1.70
Sheff Utd 46 / 1.70
Derby 38 / 1.40
Boro 30 / 1.11

At this point we have 25 goals more than Boro. I think that says a lot about the difference in style.

It will be interesting to see how we go on from here now that Barnes has gone back to Leicester and look back to compare the two positions come the end of the season. Barnes grabbed 9 goals and 6 assists for us. (I realise we played 26 games with Harvey, I just happened to start the stats from now, our goal average would be 2.07 if you take away the one goal vs Norwich).

It will also be interesting to see where the assists come from because we really need the others to step up now. I fancy Holgate to get a few.

I think if we can maintain our current goals per game average then we should in theory finish with over 93 goals scored and looking at previous seasons it would take some feat not to get promoted off the back of this. The major concern is the amount of goals we concede, the amount of clean sheets we have at this point is very poor and needs rectifying. The only way we get promoted automatically with the amount of goals we concede is by maintaining the amount we score, which is about to potentially be a lot more difficult with Barnes gone

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 12, 2019, 05:09:35 PM »
Gayle showing his class again with anything in the area, pity we have the only manager in football who prefers him playing left back

Not sure a striker tracking back to cover counts as being played at LB. From what I saw it seem he was played as a left forward with licence to roam

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