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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Sam Johnstone
« on: August 06, 2019, 10:37:21 AM »
Give the lad a chance, stop getting on his back at every opportunity and see how he grows.

He has palyed nearly 50 games for us now.  That's more than a chance and enough time to form an opinion.  He doesn't make me feel confident.  Obviously a good shot stopper, but when crosses or long shots come into the box I really worry.  Having said that last season he played behind a rather dodgy defence, so will be interesting to see what he looks like with something a bit more secure ahead of him.

I think he did one really effective long range throw out on Saturday, and I can remember a few last season.  I we can create the space by quickly turning defence into attack I'd like to see more of these.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Chris Brunt
« on: August 05, 2019, 12:24:00 PM »
I don't remember too many set pieces on Saturday?  Phillips took a few corners, but thats all I can remember.  I'm interested to see who will take the set pieces, and the quality that they provide.  Maybe Brunt's role this season is to come on from the bench and provide set piece ammunition when needed.? He certainly doesn't have the legs to play the whole game in centre midfield.  Too many late tackles and gets caught on the ball too often.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Midfield control
« on: August 05, 2019, 12:18:41 PM »
The weak link was Livermore.  He was better than he was for most of last season, but his instinct is to look backwards and his forward passing was almost non-existant.  I would much rather see Field doing that anchor role, but for whatever reason he's just not being selected (by multiple managers, so he isn't doing something right).  He's more mobile, a better tackler and has a superior range of passing compared to Livermore.

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Here we go again ,  negative Albion fans.

The fans must be the most moaning and negative in the country.  Fans were asking for signings and now we have got some very good signings.  What more can the club do .

I cannot believe the negativity around this club.

Well keep all your negative thoughts to yourself . 

I'm finished with these boards and all the negativity around them.  I like to be around positive people.

The recruits are a level down on those they are replacing in terms of experience and achievements, but they have potential and age on their side.  The most positive I can get is that with 3 more arrivals - probably loans from top clubs - we will be pretty competitive in this league.  (Obviously, not including Sawyers in this.)

- We've identified the left winger, but we haven't made the progress we need with Sporting (it doesn't look like anyone else has though).
- We also need a 20+ goal scorer (we need to score around 80+ goals).  This has to be our highest priority.
- We need a player who is a right back, and can cover centre back too.  Holgate or similar.

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The next couple of weeks are absolutely massive to our season.


... and this season the loan window (for championship clubs) closes on the 8th August too.  Last season it ran until end of August.  The advantage being that the Premier clubs could look at their squads once their transfer window closed and decide which players to loan to championship clubs.  This year the Prem clubs can still do that, but loan to League 1 & 2 or out to Europe.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System tactics personnel
« on: July 26, 2019, 11:35:27 AM »
No matter which way you look at it... without the addition of a 20+ goal striker we are not going to make an impression on the playoffs.  The team needs to be aiming at 80 goals as a minimum.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matheus Pereira
« on: July 23, 2019, 10:00:38 AM »
Thanks Baggie82  :D

My point was to try and do a deal with Sporting which says if we do go up we will have a set price of say 11million to purchase him (in hindsight if we do get promoted he will have played a part in that and the club would probably look to do a deal at that point - obviously having access to a larger budget). If we don't go up then the 'obligatory buy' doesn't kick in.

It's a way of trying to please Sporting with a higher amount if we do get promoted, but covering ourselves if we don't get promoted and don't have the budget to cover those costs.

In the deal that has been reported the loan fee already doubles if we do get promoted.  €300k loan fee doubles to €600 if promoted.  So Sporting already get a bonus if we're promoted.

Generally agree with most, the purchase can't be an obligation unless we are promoted.  Too much of a gamble.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon
« on: July 17, 2019, 10:59:16 AM »
Initial reports suggested the fee would be 'undisclosed'.

JRod's fee was 'undisclosed' too.  Despite the fact that it was in the public domain as £5m now, £5m next summer.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Director of Football
« on: July 16, 2019, 04:18:05 PM »
Unsure if anyone noticed Chris Lepkowski's twitter contribution a couple of days ago. In response to Matt Wilson's article about Bilic coming out publicly to say we need to get a move on, he said:

"Absolutely no surprise to read this. Dowling is a big problem. We are in danger of having another McDonough situation. Worse, decimating the academy - including ridiculous house rules to p*** off remaining staff - destroying goodwill, interfering with recruitment. Problems await.

Big issues. Academy staff marginalised, not allowed to use same entrance or canteen as first-team staff. Kids being told they're not important, crass language in front of visitors/agents/parents/female staff. I'm really not sure Dowling is the bloke we want as Tech Director

And I know people might say: 'Well it's only the academy'. But this permeates throughout. It isn't healthy. Forest couldn't wait to get rid of the bloke. Yet we took him on. Hope we know what we're doing.

Above all else, recall issues we had under McDonough. Needed a massive overhaul behind the scenes by absent owner. JP just about wrestled the club back onto the straight and narrow. Will Lai & his associates know any of this? Everything I hear about Dowling smacks of McDonough

If you are oly reading the Bilic bit then you're getting it wrong. If we don't resolve issue soon, then it doesn't matter who the boss is, we will keep picking up pieces. Bilic is a good appointment. If we p*** him off, we will p*** off his successors off too. Get it right now."


Interesting to note. I said on here in Jan/Feb I was uncomfortable with the early sings as his way or working was not how the best directors work. Can't see him lasting how things are going. He is making a complete mess. Awful appointment.

Couple those comments with these from a knowledgabe poster on the E&S article - https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/15/award-winning-programme-editor-exits-west-brom/

Garth Pearce • a day ago • edited

The most despicable departure so far...for those who don't know, an Albion genius.
Dave Bowler has transformed our match day programme (launched in 1905 at a point when we were on the brink of going bust) in to the best in Britain. I have known about his shocking redundancy for some time and find it odd that the Express & Star has only just caught up with the fact.

Here is another piece of advance news: our new manager has already talked of quitting and taking his management team with him. Specific promises were made by the incompetent dolt of a 'Technical and Sporting Director' Luke Dowling, none of which were fulfilled. I thought Nicky Hammond was bad - which he was. But what is going on behind the scenes with this guy is beyond belief. His oafish behaviour, bad language towards parents of promising youngsters and rank stupidity in dealing with both agents and players makes me feel he needs help. He does not seem to remember what he's actually said from one day to the next. For those optimistic Baggies, oh how much I admire you. But any member of staff who cares about WBA and our fans, has knowledge of our history, shows initiative, works hard and has bags of talent, is treated as The Enemy.

There is one man who is linked to our appalling record of recruitment like Dowling. He's also the reason for many departures of top men and women. He's still sitting there as Chief Executive Officer. There is a malevolence like a cancer eating away at the heart of our beloved club and nothing is going to improve until it is urgently treated with invasive surgery. Either that, or it will kill West Bromwich Albion.


and this comment on a differnt article - https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/10/no-panicking-from-slaven-bilic-as-west-brom-look-to-rebuild-squad/


Garth Pearce Rondonsclass 6 days ago

All this would make perfect sense in a well-argued and upbeat case, Rondonclass, were it not for several key factors.

Our Sporting and Technical Director Luke Dowling rejected any attempt to pay the wages of our top goalscorer Dwight Gayle on the basis we needed to avoid staff redundancies. Yet redundancies are being prepared among staff at all levels, including those at the cherished Academy. You will be hearing of many in the coming weeks, some of which you know and are alarming and baffling.

We are owed £4.1 million in a secret loan taken by Jeremy Peace in 2014 and not paid back when he sold to Palm. That debt is owed by Palm. Mr Lai came up with the ludicrous excuse that he's not allowed to take money out of China. That is simply untrue. Nothing proves his total disinterest and scorn for WBA more than this statement.

We are replacing first-class Albion men with dross. Jimmy Shan (58% win rate - enough to guarantee automatic promotion) has been replaced by Julian Dicks. Mark Harrison defected to Villa because he could no longer work with our hopeless Chief Executive Mark Jenkins. Mike Scott, our brilliant under 18 coach was not approached to take over, so he's now left to take over the academy at Derby County. We have employed Paul Terry in charge of our loanees. Look up the suicide of young goalkeeper Dale Roberts at Rushden and Diamonds in 2010 and see who was named in the case. It's a matter of public record...Mr Terry should not be within 100 miles of The Hawthorns. But he's a friend of our clueless Luke Dowling.

We do, indeed, have an income of nearly £70 million (parachute and sales so far) for this upcoming season and a much slashed wage bill. Added to that, our advance season ticket sales, commercial income and sponsorship. Plus the £4.1 million on-going "loan." So where is the money going? The apologists currently owning and running our club are arguably the worst and most dangerous in our long and distinguished history. The group which own 88% of the club are Invisible Men. Those who are in charge at board level are, at best, disingenuous and have absolutely no long-term interest in West Bromwich Albion. We shareholders who own 12% of the club have been denied Annual General Meetings to ask questions, an alarming Chinese-like attempt to cover up facts. The AGM's at West Bromwich Albion go back to 1891.

I know what the Albion crowd are like...we all cling on to hope, including me. But we need to start fearing for our future before the inevitable crash happens. As for Mr Bilic, he won't put up with it.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Mr program Dave Bowler
« on: July 16, 2019, 03:20:02 PM »
Not being rude BUT ......


I couldn't give a fig about Bowler or the programme or anything else that detracts from the fact that WE NEED QUALITY PLAYERS BROUGHT IN - NOW!

I'm about as patient a fan as it gets (maybe) but even I'm getting inebriated off now.

I think you are being rude.

It appears that a significant number of people are 'leaving' the club right now.  Whether that is for nefarious reasons, or just natural churn, I don't know for sure, but I know which I suspect.  People like Dave Bowler are the very beating heart of the football club.  If they leave the gap is very hard to fill.  The character of the club is diminished.  Dave was the guardian of the clubs history and leading the Albion Archive project.  I remember that Jenkins was against the project at it's inception too.  Didn't see the point in archiving and maintaining the club's history.  There was no money in it.  Just romantic memories of past glories that he can be measured against.

I suspect the plan is that the Programme will now wither away to a webpage over the next few years.

This is another black mark against Jenkins name.

Of course, failing to fund the right players, at the right time is a fundamental and annual disappointment at West Brom.  The only results that matter to Jenkins are in his spreadsheets.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Ahmed Hegazi
« on: July 10, 2019, 09:48:22 AM »
Rondon (for sure) and Phillips (if we get a decent offer) will go.  HRK in the last year of his contract too, but no one is stupid enough to make and offer or take on his wages.  Oh... Nyom too.

Livermore, Gibbs, Hegazi also possible - but it'll take the right offer.  I imagine the club will want to have some proven, established players (Livermore?) and continuity.  Also they'll want some assets to sell next summer if we're not promoted/PL proven players if we are promoted.

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This is something that needed doing at the start of last season.


I think you're right.  I grew to really hate some of  the players that got us relegated.  At the end of that season I'd have been happy to see them all go.  After a year of more attacking style I was warmer towards them.  But my favourite players last season were Barnes and Gayle, not any of the relegation crew.

Right now Phillips is our best attacking player.  I really resented him when we were getting relegated.  His lack of effort, heart and complete cowardice at any sign of a challenge was mind blowing.  He's in the last year of his contract now, so he'll be gone if we get a decent offer (or for free next year).

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2019-2020 Season Tickets
« on: July 10, 2019, 09:31:52 AM »
Why wouldn’t you go just because it’s on sky?

It's the changes in times and dates that I was thinking of.  Ruins a good day out...

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Morgan Rogers
« on: July 09, 2019, 04:27:51 PM »
If Jesus can't get in the Man City team... what chance has Rogers?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: 2019-2020 Season Tickets
« on: July 09, 2019, 03:53:17 PM »
Imagine buying an away season ticket then finding out that 5 of the first 6 away games are on Sky!

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Wonder how much Bilic is on board with the current situation of losing our best players ?

I guess it's common practice, and therefore obvious to Bilic, those in the last year of their contracts will naturally be sold (or extend) that's Dawson, Phillips, Rondon and HRK (please).

Also, JRod's departure is a contractual obligation, I'm sure he'd be aware of the clause.

I'd be much more concerned about what reassurances he got regarding player aquisitions.  At the very basic level we have 60 goals to replace from last season. plus two defenders to find to ensure we are tighter than last season.  Assuming JRod and Rondon go in the next few days we'll be 10 players down on the squad size at the end of last season.  I am worried that Jenkins' ultra-conservative approach is going to leave us short, in effectivemess if not numbers.  (i.e. Players that aren't good enough, but are cheaper.)

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: One month to go
« on: July 06, 2019, 07:13:53 PM »
Barnes, Tosin, Montero, Gayle,Murphy,johansen, Holgate
7 last year, 6 at the same time
Yes, but what's the point is having more than you can play?  We're just fluffing out the squad and blocking our own youngsters...

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Matty Phillips
« on: July 06, 2019, 02:47:15 PM »
Last year of his contract.  We need to cash in, or get him to sign a new contract. 

During the relegation season I was so frustrated by his complete lack of any courage, but last season I appreciated him as an attacker when he did play, but this wasn't really often enough.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 05, 2019, 08:26:01 PM »
So... If it's £12m for Berahino and £4m for Roberts that's £16m the Academy has bought in in 2 years.  There's the reason to keep running it.

I would rather see players coming through to the first team myself.  But from every managers' perspective it will be why will I risk my job (and it's a volitile position) on that kid who may/may not work out and will be inconsistent; when I can play that experienced player who will be more consistent and not get me the sack.

What I doin't think is right is that we have invested 10 years in this kid, longer in Harper, and they are free to walk away and some other club will benefit from them and we will get very little recognition.  Fair enough for players like Roofe, we chose not to offer them a contract, but if we offer them a contract we should be entitled to some of the ongoing transfer revenue.


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Ally Robertson: I hope Slaven Bilic tells us exactly what he thinks

Sensible article from Ally

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/05/ally-robertson-i-hope-slaven-bilic-tells-us-exactly-what-he-thinks/

"The rebuild has already started to gather pace with Craig Dawson leaving for Watford. "

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 05, 2019, 01:49:17 PM »
If the academy still costs 2m per year to run and in the past few years we sold Berahino for 12m and a few others we recouped say 500k in total we're still doing ok overall financiall. It's a hug pain in the butt to lose these prospects for pittances but if one or two stick and they play regularly or we sell then it works........in theory.

You've got to blame the system really - I guess Barry's mom and dad have been got to by agents promising big things and ultimately they went after cash and the promise of huge stardom. Whether all the stars align in his favour remains to be seen  so he could just end up another talented kid who didn't quite make it. All the furore about him suggests he has more going for him though? Good luck to him, it's football that's broken at the moment not the kid's fault..........

I think we got £2.5m for Tyler Roberts and wasted it on Sturridge.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Under 23's/ Academy Thread
« on: July 05, 2019, 01:48:01 PM »
Was it the academy or the training ground in general that we cancelled the planned investment for last summer?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: One month to go
« on: July 04, 2019, 01:10:24 PM »
Lose HRK???? Now you're hoping aren't you?? 8)

Always try to be optimistic! 

He is in the last year of his contract, but I can't see anyone who will to pay a fee or take on the stupid wages we gave to the no-hoper!

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: One month to go
« on: July 04, 2019, 12:05:59 PM »
The lack of transfers is worrying.  But that can be resolved in one week.

I agree the lack of visible transfer activity (cue announcement) is very worrying.  Not sure it can be resolved in a week!

Currently 9 down on the sqaud at the end of last season and I think we will lose Rondon, Phillips, Nyom (All on last year of contract) plus maybe Livermore, Harper, JRod and HRK over the next few weeks too.  We have just over a month, they have to be looking at nearly 3 players a week coming in.  Not very West Brom.

If losing 12-16 players (from the end of last season) turns out to be a good guess then I would be happy with 10-13 replacements as some of last seasons players had minimal impact - we wouldn't have noticed if we didn't have Montero, Myhill and Hooihan, and Mears and Murphy didn't make that much impact either.

The two players that are most speculated upon are Krovinovic and Chalobah... both loans.  Only 3 more loans after these two.  We need to actually start signing players.  The 'didn't have a full pre-season' excuse is going to be absolutely rampant!

Does the loan window still stay open until the end of August? 

If we're going to play 4-2-3-1 then, at a minimum, we need:
1 x right back + players capable of covering
2 x CBs
1 centre mid
2 attacking mid
2 wide attackers/wingers
2 forwards

This is assuming that O'Shea/Fitzwater (one of) , Edwards and Leko can make some sort regular contribution too.

I expect a core, strong squad of about 16 and other players chipping in.
Johnstone, Bartley, Hegazi, Gibbs plus maybe staying Livermore and Jrod and maybe stepping-up Field and Harper.  Lots of gaps.  Lots of work.  Can't really afford for everything to be on hold waiting to sell players first.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Craig Dawson
« on: June 29, 2019, 06:47:31 PM »
I’m surprised on two counts -
1 - I was expecting more £s.
2 - the timing. How often do WBA take the ‘first’ bid? Normally it’s long drawn-out and we get a top price. Suggests club are firm on sell before buy, and Slav wants to spend?

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