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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Oliver Burke
« on: August 24, 2020, 11:25:20 AM »
Great news this!  Wilder must be mad and it proves he's a good championship manager punching above his weight. He should be looking at real quality.

At least Robinson has got a modicum of skill plus reasonable pace.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: August 21, 2020, 10:39:11 PM »
Krovinovic is a better footballer than Sawyers and Livermore. Brentford are after £25m for Watkins, is he x3 better than Krov?

What strikers do you propose signing for the £8m?  Villa paid £22m for Wesley and he's a bag of nails.  As far as I can see there is no one in the lower divisions that would make the step up.  We'll probably have to chance our arm on a kid from somewhere like the Swedish Premier League.

Krovinovic changed games last season from the bench.  Pointless getting a striker If he's no better than what we've got.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: August 21, 2020, 10:13:11 AM »
Ridiculous we haven't already secured Krovinovic.  Slaven wants him as a high priority signing, £8m is a steal.  We paid £15m for Burke, £11m for Livermore, £8m for Zohore.  What are we hanging around for?  Unless the board pull their finger out, I think there's serious threat of Bilic walking out during mid Winter.

Krov should be signed then we need a striker ASAP.

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I like him, get the deal done and convert him to a striker

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Talksport
« on: July 25, 2020, 10:15:46 AM »
This is pretty much bang on mate, excellent post.

We were referred to as a "sleeping giant" (nonsense term) in the days of Ardiles and around about but not now for a good while. Jeremy Peace and his "mid table Championship club" mentality don't help our cause either, all these things drip feed into the football public subconcious.

Albion have an image problem there's no doubt about that and it will hinder us. We need to start  addressing such issues but it's not an overnight fix. Stadium expansion is one issue that immediately springs to mind.

One thing we can say about Bilic is he is the right man to start to repair some of the Pulis damage. Bilic is well respected and pretty much loved within the game and from a PR perspective we couldn't have a better man as head coach. The owners are another matter.

I loved this post, you hit the nail on the head.  Albion do have an image problem.  We need a new West Stand and show the media we are a relatively big club.  How come the media love 11,000 capacity Bournemouth a lot more than us?

I'm not that bothered if we go down but we do need to play pure football as its the Albion way.  Do the media know the Dingles played brutal long ball trash in the 50s in the mud?

Most.pundits aren't very sharp when it comes to analysing football.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Perspective
« on: July 17, 2020, 11:39:29 PM »
I am hurting, but we have to try and find a positive out of this (as hard as it is).

Moping and moaning won't change tonight's result.  You can't actually say Huddersfield deserved it, we merited 1 point at least.

Playing x2 per week has been a disadvantage for much of our squad.  How many do we have >30?  Austin, HRK, Livermore, Phillips, Gibbs, Grosicki, Brunt.  Bartley and Hegazi must be close to 30.  Maybe the rest before the play-offs will allow us to re-group?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Perspective
« on: July 17, 2020, 10:40:19 PM »
People need to calm down.  If you were there through the mid80's and mid 90's it was worse. 

The achilles heel is the strike force.  With Robson-Kanu, the opposition are squeezing the Albion midfield 10 yards higher up the pitch.  Put yourself in Bartley/Hegazi/Ajayi's shoes, you know he's not going to score and if we concede we are in trouble, now that's pressure.

We can still win the play offs, the promotion dream is not over yet.  We must pick ourselves up.  We need to beat QPR convincingly to get the confidence back.  The reality is the 3rd place team deserve to go up anyway.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: July 11, 2020, 08:58:35 PM »
I don’t think it’s negatively, simply realism.

I hope I’m wrong but I can see us struggling against Fulham and the way Brentford are playing they look like they will win all their remaining games.

Hopefully Swansea give us a massive lift tomorrow, but I doubt it unfortunately

Brentford will undoubtedly take 9pts.  Its about what we do.  We are above Fulham for a reason.  We should not be losing the game.  A Draw or a Win and its in our hands.  We've got to believe we can beat Huddersfield and QPR. They are both sun standard teams.  I'd rather be in our position with a 3 point buffer.  A time to be confident.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: July 11, 2020, 08:36:32 PM »
Too much negativity here, we only need 7pts and playing 2 rubbish teams in the final 2 matches.  A draw is enough v Fulham.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: July 08, 2020, 09:42:09 PM »
Easy win as I predicted, we are so much better than Derby. 

4 points from the next 2 games will be just fine, at worst that will give us a 3 point buffer over Brentford.  Then another 4 points from the final 2 games gets us over the line.


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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: July 08, 2020, 11:39:46 AM »
I can see us hammering Derby today.  Theres a huge disparity between the 2 teams in quality.  Who would get in Albions team apart from Rooney?  I think Wayne will be good for 60mins and when we bring on the calvary about that time we'll overwhelm them.  Bringing on Robinson and Diangana as a sub is unreal.

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Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: July 05, 2020, 05:13:30 PM »
Agreed about Johnstone being nervy.

Also think it's about mentality.  At 1-0 you've got to be hungry, crush them.  You don't sit back at 1-0 when you're playing an inferior team.

I'd rather us not play HRK again, not even as a sub.  No goal threat, we'd be better off giving 20mins to Zohore.  Also, complete waste that Robinson was an unused sub.


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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: our strike force
« on: June 29, 2020, 01:44:50 PM »
I agree most (if not all) teams have at least 1 striker that is better than our 3 (on goals scored anyway).
We have still scored the 2nd highest amount in the division though so our goal drought isn't just down to the strikers lack of movement, it's more that the goals from elsewhere have also dried up because we aren't creating anything. We aren't shooting from distance much anymore and our set pieces have been poor.

Lack of movement isn't always the issue though. If crosses are going into the box and we only have one player in the box (the striker) then I'd argue it's a lack of support from midfield etc that's the problem rather than any movement from the striker. If the likes of Pereira, Robinson,Phillips, Diangana, Krovinovic were joining either Austin/HRK/Zohore we'd have more chance of scoring.

Lack of movement from the strikers was definitely an issue against Blues but in the first half against Brentford HRK got nothing to do anything with which was more down to the creative players not creating anything.
We looked a lot better for 15/20 mins in the second half after the introduction of Krovinovic and the change to 4-3-3, I just think we should have kept HRK  as he may have made more of the opportunities we created, although Zohore was unlucky hitting the bar.

We definitely need to change the way we are playing and I'd stick with Krovinovic in for Phillips and a 4-3-3 line up. When we played well in February Krovinovic linked up well with both Robinson and Townsend so maybe it's time we brought Townsend back in for Gibbs too.



I mostly agree.  Sawyers and Livermore hardly ever join attacks and make themselves a threat in the opponents box.  A box to box midfielder "is a must have" in the next transfer window.  For now Krovinovic just has to start, with Robinson and Grosicki to be also considered. 

I have a leftfield view in that I don't think starting one of HRK, Austin, Zohore is a necessity.  We are so well stocked with playmakers and wingers.  To fulfil this you could make a case for dropping Livermore for Ajeyi and putting him in a Mulumbu type role and pushing Sawyers 10 yards forward, knowing that Ajeyi is a far better athlete than Livermore.  Bartley would partner Hegazi.

Having Sawyers more advanced with Krovinovic, Pereira and probably one of Robinson/Grosicki would make us loads more threatening in my view.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: our strike force
« on: June 29, 2020, 12:32:37 PM »
To be fair to the forwards we've created bugger all for them to be dross with in the first 2 games.

HRK didn't get a chance against Brentford through no fault of his own, Diangana had a great chance to play him in but his pass was woeful. I'd have kept him on for the first 15mins of the second half as the change of Krovinovic for Phillips had us more on the front foot and actually creating things.
Austin should be the striker coming on as a sub though. I think Zohore was used on Friday night as he has the build to cope better with the Brentford defenders (shame he doesn't have the skill though!).


I think they were 2 different games.  We dominated the ball v Blues and should have won with the shots on goal and goalscoring opportunities.  It was very even v Brentford and their midfielders showed they were on the same level skill wise, we still could've drawn it.

I believe most teams in the division would swap their midfielders for ours especially Pereira, Krovinovic, Diangana, Robinson, Sawyers.

Ask if most teams would swap their strikeforce for ours?  I think the answer is no, so what does that say?

If you're a midfielder and there's little movement ahead of you, what do you do?  Take pot shots yourself?  Put a hopeful cross in?  Pass to someone else to evade responsibility.

Rewind back to Middlesbrough (H) over Xmas, I remember a host of crosses going into the box aiming for one man against 3 or 4 defenders.  The problem is a lack of movement from the strikers deployed.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: June 28, 2020, 02:47:18 PM »
Robson Kanu: 2121 mins / 23.57 matches / 10 goals / 1 goal every 212 mins
Austin: 1143 mins / 12.70 matches / 8 goals / 1 goal every 143 mins
Zohore: 651 mins / 7.23 matches / 3 goals / 1 goal every 217 mins

The above stats are for league matches only.  Is HRK really the best option, or is it down to the manager's choice (for primarily fitness purposes) that he's chosen over Austin?  HRK's strike rate is comparable to Zohore. 

I've heard people say HRK has performed well this season.  For me he's been average at best.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: System / Tactics / Personnel
« on: June 27, 2020, 10:17:37 AM »
Interesting thoughts.  Post Blues I advocated going in with a false 9 (effectively 4-6-0).  Our best attacking outlets in order of ability are Pereira, Diangana, Krovinovic.  They all MUST play.  Livermore and Phillips are very lucky to still be on the team sheet, we have back up options in Grosicki, Robinson, Edwards, Barry, Brunt, Harper. 

We are wasting a position selecting a forward because none are up to the mark.  I'd doubt if Austin could last much longer than 45mins.  HRK is not good enough.

This formation would result in us being tougher to break down.  On reflection last night we conceded a cheap goal, which was avoidable, from not one single challenge from a player in yellow and green.  I think we'd have all been satisfied with a 0-0. 

We'd still be capable of scoring with a False 9, if the interplay and movement from our attacking midfielders / wingers was sharp enough. 

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Well maybe think about what the poster actually said

He’s Quality....correct
He’s petulant...correct
He dive....correct
He’s petulant....correct
He makes poor decisions .....yep, those shots in the second half .?
There’s a reason Lisbon let him go.....correct




Unbelievable this a £30m player signed for £9m.  Our best player, problems in other areas and people are discussing Pereira. Bring back Stacy Coldicott.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: June 26, 2020, 11:29:51 PM »
Great ..well done

Yep so poor (along with Zohore and seemingly disinterested Austin) that we look better with no recognised striker on the pitch.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: June 26, 2020, 11:24:31 PM »
I’ve never said he’s great, but he has had a good season and out of the three options he is head and shoulders.
Austin won’t run again until greggs opens....Zohore is surely doing this for a bet...has he won a comp in the express and star ...the guy that got a gig in Southampton under sourness looks more of a professional.

HRK had a good season, are you for real?  He has scored a measly 10 goals in a team top of the league.  Bob Taylor scored 37 in 1992/93 in a team finishing 4th.  That's what I'd call a good season!

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: June 26, 2020, 11:14:46 PM »
You have your opinion

First half....first bloody half ....we break
Grady has the ball (pereira is on the floor) Kanu runs off him to the right
NOT ONE SINGLE OTHER WBA PLAYER managed to get in to the opponents half ...its sawyers, it’s Livermore, it’s phillips

Agreed Sawyers, Livermore, Phillips were poor tonight but HRK is worse.  He hardly ever scores in a eam that is still op, it's putting pressure on others.  Rather like an opening batsman that always gets out before 20, the others think christ I need to get the runs to bail the team out!

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: June 26, 2020, 11:06:48 PM »
Even if this were true....we never looked like we fed whoever was up top

I.cant quite agree, Krovinovic, Diangana, Pereira would walk into almost every other Champ team, yet its 7 hours without a goal, something to do with the strikers being league 1 standard.  Brentford hardly created anything either although they looked a bit more composed.  Probably the worst centre forwards since 85/86 in the days of George Reilly. 

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: June 26, 2020, 10:54:23 PM »
What's going on with him?  Bilic doesn't rate him?  Too unfit?  Or both?

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 26, 2020, 10:46:22 PM »
Robinson I can see as a central striker  as he has played there before but I can't see the logic of playing Grosicki, who has spent his entire career as a winger, through the middle. Yes he has pace but that pace is better on the wing. We need players that can beat a man and put a cross in that's where Grosicki is most dangerous.
Phillips would be another option through the middle as he has played there before.

I agree that Krovinovic was much improved for the 12 games before shut down but before that he was very hit and miss. Used as part of a midfield 3 he has become effective. I just can't see him playing as a false 9 as you suggested.

HRK does score occasionally but he scores more occasionally than anyone else.

As you saw tonight we were far far better with HRK off and Krovinovic on.  I don't know what Bilic is doing?  Both HRK and Zohore were poor but at least the latter hit the bar.  By playing with a midfield 3 we disrupted their passing game and looked much better.  We are playing a striker for the sake of it.  The False 9 option is not as far fetched as you seem to think.  It's like picking a rubbish Spinner in a Test Match on a green top just because he's a Spinner instead of picking another Seamer who's more skilled.

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 25, 2020, 08:36:26 AM »
if that's the case why do managers buy players that will fit their system?

Sawyers is poor at shooting from outside the box as was evidenced on Saturday. Livermore isn't as bad as you are making out, he has scored from outside the box. Krovinovic might be more adept at it but he doesn't do it often enough. He had a goal disallowed against Millwall earlier this season but then seemed reluctant to shoot from range after that and was often one of the players guilty of endlessly passing it around the edge of the box when shooting was an option.

Yes our forwards aren't prolific but we are the second highest scorers in the league only 2 behind the top scorers are 6 goals better than the 3rd highest scorers, so scoring isn't an issue. Not really sure why you mentioned it.

The issue that Bilic has to deal with is how we break down sides that pack the defence and sit back like Blues did on Saturday. Luckily most of the games we have left are against teams with something to play for, which should mean a more open game.

In recent games we are struggling to open teams up, apparently its 270mins without a goal.  My point is HRK is a guaranteed starter when he only scores occasionally.  Someone else said it was madness Edwards was picked as a sub ahead of Grosicki.  I agree and Grosicki is one of our fastest players despite turning 30.  So I don't see why Grosicki or Robinson can't be deployed as the central striker?  Krovinovic was our best player in the few games before the lockdown and I noted his shooting ability.

In summary, Phillips/Livermore/Sawyers/HRK are very lucky to be guaranteed starters with their patchy form.  If I was Krovinovic I wouldn't be happy with the team selection v Blues.  We'll see what Bilic comes up with tomorrow night......

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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Slaven Bilic
« on: June 24, 2020, 11:06:24 AM »
I have also quoted real stats the main one being that HRK is our top goalscorer.

The Barcelona comparison isn't as simple as you make it though. Barcelona had players that were schooled in playing with a false number 9, we haven't had that luxury so to try it with players that would have to adjust to it is a bad idea especially as there is a promotion at stake and only 8 games left.



OK that's your view.  I happen to think formations are a little over rated and its down to the quality of players at your disposal.  The other point is that Sawyers and Livermore are poor at shooting from outside the box, you'll have noted that Krovinovic is more adept.  When your forward is not prolific is to put the pressure and emphasis on midfield to score.

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