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Last Match Forum - 12/01 Norwich City (H) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 12, 2019, 05:07:21 PM »
Oh Darren why no fresh legs in midfield with 15 to go ? We know they have got a lot of goals late on and some more pace in Mid at that time could have given Nwich a bit more to worry about . 2pts lost and you played your part mate it’s a 14 man game why do we only use Twelve and a half?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
« on: January 11, 2019, 01:39:38 PM »
Thanks for your efforts Harvey, good luck for the rest of your career. Hope the bench at Leicester gets too cold and you get a ticket to play for us back here in the future. You will be welcome. Puel has the right to recall him, but just before a top of the table clash with little time for us to adjust is sheer arrogance. No more than I would expect though from  such a diving cheating and so far very lucky outfit. Onwards and hopefully upwards with our OWN players now COYB

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: When we sold Robson to Man Ure
« on: January 07, 2019, 04:34:25 PM »
Undoubtedly, he was already the best midfielder in England the complete player.
Very true but not recognised by England selectors until his first games at manure

Last Match Forum - 01/01 Blackburn Rovers (A) / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 01, 2019, 05:19:02 PM »
Poor defending, both the usual suspects poor again today. Poor team selection as well, Unfortunately at present there seems no option but to select Bartley when a defender is out and when him and Johnston are in the same team our defence looks very poor. Do not wish to be over critical of DM but using only old men from the bench gives a poor message for our youngsters, particularly Harper. They may not be ready or may not be good enough but how are we to find out? A player like Sako can be a game changer but not if he only gets a game here or there, and again are given very little opportunity. What was the point of Hoolahan or Brunt as subs when we are chasing a game? Ok not the end of the world but feels a frustrating loss when even without Gale and Hegazi we should be getting something from these teams. Just heard that Lsop Franksy on wm gloating that we have lost ground on the leaders? Wishful thinking hyperbole

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: December 07, 2018, 10:15:23 PM »
We had pace, or pace and  power and young talent with fresh legs on the bench. None of it used. We got 2 now slow old guys and got a lucky draw. I thought  villa got away with some pretty nasty tackles early on when we looked as if we were going to break out, but got the deserved break with the handball. I have tried to stop criticising refs but I do wish the same rules were made to apply to both sides. As each villa player got tackled their first move was a dive and a screech like virgin in a brothel. This meant that we were never allowed to challenge for the ball with any purpose and had to let them run. Stlll they scored a lucky goal and a very good one and so did we. Missed goal chances and general errors apart they should have won. But so should we against Brentford.

Any game we lose, any game we draw from a winning position, any game against the dingles the vile or Tottenham divers, we fail to win by 2 clear goals. Ain’t life a misery?

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon (on loan swap at Newcastle)
« on: November 27, 2018, 07:03:25 PM »
Just out of curiousity, would you be happy if he was our main striker if we went back up?
as one of only a few of our players to interest a prem club. Happy: not particularly. If it happens that way then so be it, but maybe under our present style more chances might give him a better goals ratio. It would also depend on many other factors such as being in a more mobile team than under Pulis. What I will not do is get on his back before giving him another go. If he puts the stripes on and puts the effort in he will get my full support. If it still doesnt work out and we can find something better or more effective, then thanks and goodbye. I know this is a forum and all about opinions, but in my opinion the Rondon discussion as it stands just appears to be about some of his previous critics justifying their own prior attitudes towards the player who although not a prolific scorer put a fair few good performances for us. Until we know who we have got and who we let go and a big IF we go up why not just let it rest.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Salomon Rondon (on loan swap at Newcastle)
« on: November 27, 2018, 11:48:42 AM »
Thanks be that you lot will have no influence on the matter

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: November 03, 2018, 07:02:45 PM »
Whatever the team selection, whatever the tactics there has to be belief. This squad has none. They look and play like they are scared stiff of trying something different, of trying to change things on the pitch. This is not american football where everything is done by numbers it needs inspiration, imagination and most of all confidence. We have none. Not sure Darren is totally behind the system either, the team selection is very safety first with a majority of 'old heads' with unfortunately old legs as well.The younger players are not being given any chance to develop, make their mistakes in games, learn from them and improve. It all seems as hidebound in its own way as pulisball and is far less effective though sometimes more entertaining. when Gayle Barnes and Phillips are on song the attacking is more intuitive and less contrived. when they are not - as in recent games no one has taken on the responsibility of getting forward with the ball quickly. drawing defenders to them and releasing an equally quick thinking and athletic team mate with a simple short accurate pass. It is this safety first aspect that makes us easy to defend against and puts pressure on the weakest part of our team. For me there appears to be  too much coaching and players don't seem to be allowed to do what is most natural for them, within the team framework. We look like a bunch of individuals trying to carry out a set of instructions written in a foreign (to most of them) language. Over to you Mr Moore this is the basic problem head coaches have to solve, and it never works using just your mates.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: November 03, 2018, 04:09:07 PM »
I hope that was an attempt at irony..

Not at all  -  just being sarcastic

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: November 03, 2018, 04:03:23 PM »
We are not getting on the ball midfield and setting up chances. Nobody getting hold of it. Happy with a simple pass sideways. Barnes has gone off the boil.  Hull deserve to be in front. Moore has got to do something. We have to take the game to Hull, not just stroll around in midfield.

Yep HRK for Barnes will do that won't it?

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: November 03, 2018, 04:01:08 PM »
If Moore insists on making defenders who can't pass the ball, pass the ball he deserves sacking. Suicidal tactics.

Plus an inexperienced goalkeeper who needs GPS to find the penalty spot, and does not command his area by neither talking to his defenders nor taking crosses.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: November 03, 2018, 03:46:00 PM »
I think you're being harsh on Livermore.  He's dropping in and looking for the ball but Brunt is nowhere to be seen most of the time so ends up surrounded by Hull players.  What is he supposed to do there?  All he can do is lay it back to the defence and look for the ball again.  He's covered a lot of ground in midfield so far trying to get things moving.

Yes agreed! Both him and Hegazi have made a few mistakes but are carrying the can for those around them

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: November 03, 2018, 03:41:21 PM »

Not sure 15 at the back would help this lot. What skills they may have had have long since been lost, and can't be covered by effort.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: November 03, 2018, 03:35:53 PM »
Weak ineffective midfield who do not appear to be able to pass water or make space to take the ball. Scared or couldn't care less defenders. Two of whom once looked ok in the prem and a striker who has never been confident he can score (probably with good reason). How are we expecting anything from this lot? about the only thing they are good at is giving the opposition the ball and tryimg to make them look good. It becomes more apparent every match that these players cannot or will not play the way the management team weant them to. The solution must be to play some of the others at any age who might just be able to do a better job. Please Mr Moore give em a go and save me from having to watch this dross from experienced players

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: Pre Match Chat
« on: November 03, 2018, 03:23:57 PM »
Pleased with the extra man in midfield, but it is a shame that it has taken an injury to Gayle to force Moore into doing it...

Still not happy with three at the back but pleased Bartley is suspended.
Extra man in midfield would be useful, but Livermore Brunt and Morrison together don't make more than one. Need passing and vision in the middleto take and use the ball as well as the ability to get forward in support, and able to run back at speed to tackle or cover. You cannot have this with the old men we use.
Fully agree about Bartley

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: October 20, 2018, 06:00:08 PM »
Out come the knives. Bad day at the office we are not going to beat everyone easily we will have off days today was one of them, get up dust themselves off and go again Wednesday.
Exactly. Ok so long term issues still exist - the midfield is still slow to get forward and to recover,  so the defence who do not seem to know anything about each other get left isolated and vulnerable to anyone who can run at them. But we have not yet lost many games and the ones we have lost are usually by the only goal. There will always be games like this, unbeaten runs come to an end so move on and get better next time.  I think we all feel that some of the younger players deserve a chance, and that team selections and tactics might be more obviously game changing, but so far I am very happy with what this club is putting in front of us supporters.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Thoughts on the Season to date
« on: October 08, 2018, 12:02:39 PM »
Completely agree re defence, but would not be worried overmuch re stats vs top 8. How many of these have played more than us and with what results? Things change from game to game and there are too many imponderables to make these sort of headline stats of any value. Still it’s a talking point, or just something else to criticise the Albion for.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Walk out music
« on: August 20, 2018, 03:38:18 PM »
Bring back "stars & stripes to enter the field of play 8)
They can play all the other stuff pre match but Stars and Stripes is for me what we should walk out to. Identity and Tradition from even before I started going. It is WBA’s signature, and although US in origin Stars and Stripes are Completely relevant to our club.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Dwight Gayle joins Albion
« on: August 20, 2018, 03:25:50 PM »
I was very doubtful about Gayle’s commitment and wanting to be here. Looks like I was wrong. He has so far only scored once but has been responsible for at least three, and his running and movement off the ball has been excellent. I repeat, and am very pleased to say I WAS WRONG about Mr Gayle long may he continue to impress.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Dwight Gayle joins Albion
« on: August 06, 2018, 07:26:39 PM »
Really do hope I am completely and utterly wrong but this seems a pretty one sided deal to me.  They are getting Rondon for next to zero. Gayle may have scored goals in this division before but will he do the same for us ? I have serious doubts. J Rod is supposed to be a goal scorer but I see little evidence that he is any more prolific than Rondon was and offers far less in terms of the physicality needed at this level. Pinning our hopes on a fading and very lightweight Midfielder like JM is also very much like a second marriage, a triumph of hope (and I do not mean sir Bobby) over experience. Anyway welcome Mr Gayle please make me eat my words.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: New Manager
« on: May 10, 2018, 06:47:23 PM »
Was very unsure about big Dave. Wouldn’t want him to struggle, but although it would be a risk I feel it would be no more a risk than with any of the other names in the hat. It would just hurt that bit more. Regarding lack of experience, we have tried experience and found it gravely wanting. In his favour I believe Dave has had his coaching badges for longer than the present England manager, and it’s not Just Albion he has worked at. He could not have done more in his recent tenure as manager, when he repaired a broken team and gained results against some very worthy opponents. With regard to playing defensively it was an essential for this set of players to play in the organised way they did, because as Big Dave understood, it was what they did best. I have no doubt that with a different set of players he would be able to devise a different way of playing, going two down to klopps lot and coming back to equalise was a bit of an eye opener for me in the way the team pressed for the goals and seemed to expect them to come. Yes I still worry that if he wants and gets the job he might fail, but It worries me more that we might just be missing out on a future great who has this club at heart. But whoever gets it I hope they get the full and enthusiastic backing of all of us, even if it gets a bit sticky at times. We seem to be a critical lot at the moment and are very quick to get on the players/ managers case if they don’t get everything perfect every time.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: May 06, 2018, 10:11:21 PM »
The error happened near the edge of the box and basically went through the players leg, hardly taking and, if at all, deviation. Far enough away to react to.  It certainly wasn't split second.  I'd also add that the ball was being played to that area anyway. So where did he think it was going?
Don't get me wrong, I like rondon and if his finishing was as good as others areas of his game he'd be a world beater.  There's just no way to dress that up as anything but a really really good chance to score.
Have to agree to differ then. Its all about opinions ay it? As CBB said we won so thats all that matters.  One thing we can all agree about is the wish for the midweek game to be drawn!
Albion till we die! coyb

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: May 06, 2018, 10:57:11 AM »
Sorry boinging but what you are seeing is a split second reaction to an unexpected and uncharacteristic error by an opponent. It is an instinctive movement that has a no better than even money chance of succeeding. In this case it didn’t, but the Rondon lack of appreciation society will of course use it against one of our most committed, hard working and effective players this season. If his knee jerk had been half as fast as the ones of some of those who constantly criticise him, he might have made better contact, but still difficult to get enough right to score from such a tight position.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: The divisions amongst our supporters
« on: April 27, 2018, 01:07:21 PM »
Been supporting this great club since the 50's and will admit that there have always been differing opinions among supporters as in all clubs. However over the last few years I have noticed what seems to be bordering on a level of hatred for certain players or other members of staff. It may have always been in the minds of some of our "supporters" but would have been more difficult, or even risky to express without the relative anonymity of social media. Even when players, in the opinion of some, have not been thought to be of the required standard, we as supporters have always got behind them when on the field of play. Each one has been encouraged rather than vilified as 'rubbish' and their better efforts have drawn appreciation. Our supporters today seem to take against certain team members very easily and regardless of what these players actually try to do they will never be given credit. We all claim to be Albion supporters so why can't we get behind the shirt whoever is wearing it?

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