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West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Kyle Bartley
« on: February 10, 2020, 01:07:06 AM »
Suprised no ones posted on here after the Milwall game, Bartley was an absolute rock for 90 minutes. My man of the match.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Filip Krovinovic (on loan from Benfica)
« on: February 09, 2020, 09:10:59 PM »
I think we could get him permanently should we get promoted, playing in the Premier League for a team you've already gelled/settled will be a massive pull. I really like the guy but I'm still not fully convinced he'd hack it in the Prem just yet, he's definitely improved as the season's gone on though as I don't think he's miles off currently. Still relatively young at 24 so still not in his prime just yet which is also worth bearing in mind.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: February 02, 2020, 03:01:19 PM »
I think also, to be fair, a footballers career can be a very short one due to injury.  Of course it would be nice if he accepted the lower offer, rejected Prem football to stay with us and look for a bigger money move in the future but, it comes with a lot of risk.

I could understand this argument normally, but in this instance it makes no sense.

How does rejecting a 5 year 20k a week contract with a large add on in favour of staying on a >1k a week youth contract for 9 months make any financial sense if its safety first. Hes probably already lost out on the extra money he'd have got from the palace move just by staying on his youth contract here, hes losing 19k a week atm by playing hardball. He could have a career ending injury in training this week or next game and retire with next to nothing, whereas if he signed the contract hes a guaranteed multimillionaire.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Final League Position?
« on: February 02, 2020, 12:04:30 AM »
When Grady, Gibbo and Pereira are all back in the same team alongside our new firepower we'll look a different team to the last 6-7 games. A poor run of form was/is inevitable in the championship, it's the toughest division in England imo, it's how quickly you bounce back from these baron runs that decides whether you get promoted or not.

Still back us to go up as champions.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: February 01, 2020, 11:51:46 PM »
A youth player turning down a (rumoured) 5 year 20k a week contract, with a 1m sign on bonus and 10k wage increase upon promotion, from the club that nurtured you for over a decade and gave you the chance is just greed. Unless he signs a new contract he shouldnt ever play for us again.

Best case scenario going forward is he signs a new contract with a set release clause that expires jan/summer 2021, works his ******** off and does his best to get us up and gets his big move whilst we make a sizeable profit. Best outcome for all parties.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: January 31, 2020, 05:27:06 PM »
why are you including Odemwingie and McClean , they're hardly kids and had played for other clubs before us?

I was inebriated off when I wrote that so i didn't write it well, I've removed them now for the sake of simplicity (I also thought McClean refused to turn up to training to angle for a move but think I'm confusing him with Dawson so ignore him).

My reason for including them was to show that almost all these players who are desperate to move from us seem to end up doing worse than WBA, or even worse end up burning their bridges and then ending up doing an Odemwingie/Saido and being stuck here given dogs abuse.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: January 31, 2020, 03:49:56 PM »
Another 'billy big ******** who's miles too big for the club' success story in the making it seems. Its ALWAYS gone so well for all the others who've walked this path before him, legends of the game such as Saido, Izzy Brown, Yan Dhanda et all. The refusal to come back on loan really is salt in the wound.

When will these kids learn that burning your bridges before you've even crossed them is going to leave you stuck in the village as an unpopular fellow...

Everything he gets from hereon in is his own doing.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: January 30, 2020, 09:15:49 PM »
Funny you say that BaggieBirdRus, just seen this on Twitter a few minutes ago...

"Ok just got this. Don’t shoot the messenger . I have it from a very good source that Ferguson was in tears today at West Brom training ground. Either it was sad goodbyes or it’s gone tits up. I’m going for the latter #cpfc" = Hoarthy [@brumeagle]

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: January 30, 2020, 07:06:52 PM »
I find this strange really , I'd seen plenty of Ferguson in the Under 23's in the last few seasons . He always stood out as a good reader of the game and strong in basic defending , I always felt he was too short to be a CB and his passing at times was poor .
So it was a bit of a surprise to see Bilic shape him into a fullback and even more so barely 20 games under his belt he's off to the Premier League . Personally think its far too soon but at least we  have Furlong and O'Shea , I also think Uncle Roy's done us a bit of a favour with the fee.

I also thought this, if we even get half of the full 11m its a generous price for a fullback who'll leave on a free in 5 months in the final days of the Jan window.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 29, 2020, 02:58:25 AM »
Here is part of what Slav had to say after the match:

"It's simply not good enough at the moment. Told the guys we need to look at each other, not as soon as possible - but now, to what get back what we had. We don't have it in the moment. We can't say we were unlucky for seven games, can't blame anybody but us. We have to get it back. Simple as that. We weren't good enough.

"I can't be any harder, I spoke quite long in the dressing room. We need it back, we need the team back. We have to get back on winning track, first of all stop conceding goals."

If all this is true, then he's lost the dressing room simple as that.  It is obvious they are not listening to him otherwise there would be more effort and better results.

The toxic group of players responsible for the loss of the dressing room should should be the ones shown the door before Slav. I'm sick of the mentality at our club that the players can get rid of a manager when THEY lose faith in him.

It's not YOUR decision lads, how about you go out there and do your job for your giant salaries and you leave the picking of the manager to the people responsible for it. You play for the badge not the manager, if you dont like it then ta-ra.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Callum Robinson
« on: January 28, 2020, 12:00:38 PM »
I might be in the minority (based on social media anyway) but I'm really not fussed about Orsic. I'd rather have a safe and steady proven youngster such as Robinson and a pop at Bowen than a gamble on a 27 y/o with an average record. I actually think Robinsons a pretty shrewd signing given his record and age if we can get an option to buy at the end.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: January 26, 2020, 05:10:19 PM »
I'd take it, 4m in a transfer window is worth more to us than 6 months of his contract is imo. Hes clearly another opportunist that doesnt appreciate the club that developed him and it's shocking that we could end up empty handed after developing another great talent for another club.

Thanks for your 6 months of loyal service Fergie!!

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Conor Townsend Joins Albion
« on: January 25, 2020, 11:35:00 PM »
I might be in the minority but I really like the guy both on and off the pitch, definitely a good player to have as a 2nd choice to Gibbo. A decent functional left-back who doesn't rock the boat when not played and tries his best when he is.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Dara O'Shea
« on: January 25, 2020, 08:41:30 PM »
Think we've been much smarter with O'Shea than we were with Ferguson in that we've wet his appetite/got him believing he can compete for 1st team football with sub/backup appearances, but also waited until he'd committed his future before putting him in the limelight. If intentional then it's a smart move by the management and how we should approach playing young players going forward.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: In Game Chat
« on: January 25, 2020, 04:20:54 PM »
Yes, the Hegazi tackle was reviewed for potential red card.

What's the odds that flying in 1 metre in the air on a 20 y/o lad (causing him to bleed) with 0 intention of winning the ball won't be though  ::)

If it was a Man United player we wouldn't have heard anything about it again after the game finished, any excuse to use the rulebook against WBA. Hate to play the victim card but other teams get away with things like this week in/week out, we nearly always get punished when we do it. Maybe we should start spying on other people's training grounds, or getting the owner to buy our own stadium for 100m, or recruiting a dodgy agent to finance under the table deals that wouldn't be possible within FFP. Seems to be the best way of getting ahead of the other teams without EFL punishment.

Albion Matchday Forum / Re: After Match Debate
« on: January 02, 2020, 01:55:44 PM »
Not going to be a popular opinion but the team tried their best to show up yesterday, the majority of the fans didnt. I was the only one singing in my section of the Brummie for large sections of the game. Leeds were shaken for the first 10 minutes because of the electric atmosphere and the goal and then it all went flat and moaning ensued. The issue with our team form currently isnt tactical or personnel related imo, its almost entirely confidence.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Romaine Sawyers
« on: December 27, 2019, 12:09:16 AM »
Can't believe there's people slagging off Sawyers, the guys top drawer. We're lucky to have him, if he wasn't an Albion fan he'd be angling for a move to a Prem club by now and he'd get it.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: November 25, 2019, 01:17:02 PM »
Hopefully you are wrong and I didn't see it that way at the time. You have however now made me think....

I thought the same thing too, it doesnt really make sense as hes gotten off pretty lightly though.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Filip Krovinovic (on loan from Benfica)
« on: November 24, 2019, 12:37:39 AM »
Best player on the books technically, a bit lightweight but a run of games and this guy will be more valuable than Periera

Didn't go to the game today but from what I've seen so far Periera is streets ahead of Krov, though I do love them both. Krov's class but Perriera's the best I've seen in an Albion shirt in my opinion, seriously talented.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: October 27, 2019, 12:43:12 PM »
With a striker that's not got the pace to outrun defenders etc anymore, as long as theyve got a good finish on them they can still score plenty. But they NEED to be sitting in the centre of attack at all times, putting themself at the end of everything that goes in the box and not diverging to the wings and midfield constantly, which CA is doing currently.

Austin can still bag enough goals to get us through to Jan if he plays more in the style of Chris Wood or Grant Holt (in his day). He just needs to sit in the striker position instead of trying to get involved with the build up and then put them away when he gets the chance. If this doesnt work then it's time for Zohore or HRK to get a run.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Charlie Austin
« on: October 23, 2019, 01:01:03 AM »
I've noticed from his first game that he just never seems to be putting himself in the right positions, as our main goalscoring outlet he should be around the centre of the penalty area whenever we're in the opponents half begging for the ball, instead he always seems to be on a wing or playing around the attacking midfield area or elsewhere where he's unlikely to score. I've been very calm until tonight but I am starting to get worried about his form now, he doesn't seem to be anywhere near as lethal as Gayle in front of goal and at the end of the day, that's a lone striker's main duty. Still think he's got the ability and nous to do well here, he just needs to work on his role/positioning.

West Bromwich Albion FC / Re: Nathan Ferguson
« on: October 19, 2019, 11:35:22 PM »
Spurs are willing to offer 10m apparently and he will only have a few months left on his deal by then. If he doesn't sign by January I can see them selling him.

That'll be 500k upfront and the rest on performance-dependent installments then, such as 2m if he wins the golden boot and 3m for the ballon d'or  ;D

Sod the agreement, offer them the money for the permanent deal now and let's not sit on our hands. I'm sure Sporting Lisbon would take it if we offered it to them. Genuinely think this is a champions league level player.

The agreement in place would be between his club and us. I’m guessing whatever that is would go out the window if a more fancied club approached him.

I assume the agreement is more than just a promise/their word though, I'd assume the agreement would be contracted?

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