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Title: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2012, 01:35:39 PM
Dont know it in full but Roys pulled a beauty in not selecting the very much lazy over rated Ashley Young.
Nice one Roy, keep your mits off our Dan though
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Post by: kris_boing on August 30, 2012, 01:39:47 PM
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Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 30, 2012, 02:50:55 PM
Why has Roy called up three left backs?
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Post by: OldburyWBA on August 30, 2012, 04:13:21 PM
Out of the 4 strikers only 1 Defoe could be classed as a regular. Carroll is on his bike, Sturridge is in the wilderness and Welbeck will maybe get some time due to Rooneys injury.

Surprised Bent has not been called up as he is back playing regularly.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on August 30, 2012, 04:37:44 PM
Not a lot to get excited about....maybe Butland and OXc. We'll qualify Im sure but beyond that I dont see much success any time soon.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: the rainbow turn east on August 30, 2012, 04:46:08 PM
Not a lot to get excited about....maybe Butland and OXc. We'll qualify Im sure but beyond that I dont see much success any time soon.


You must of missed Englands win against Italy where we were fantastic,
I think Hodgson now knows that 4-5-1 is the way to go.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: albion59 on August 30, 2012, 11:24:41 PM
Why has Roy called up three left backs?
its a complex due to not having a left back at the albion!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 30, 2012, 11:31:01 PM

You must of missed Englands win against Italy where we were fantastic,
I think Hodgson now knows that 4-5-1 is the way to go.

We were forever saying the same thing on here last season yet Roy persisted to go with his tried and trusted 442. I do, wonder how much of that was due to him not having Wayne Rooney to do the linking up job between the forwards and midfield.

It's pretty much the squad I expected, happy to see very good ball players in Michael Carrick and Tom Cleverley involved. Still think we just lack that quality upfront which other nations appear to have. I personally wouldn't have included John Terry. I would hope as a national side we are well past him.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Pseudo_Intel on September 04, 2012, 08:46:47 PM
Complaining on Talksportshyte at the moment about Hodgson and 4-4-2. Feel sorry for him. Getting constant derision from wannabes on the radio who say the formation and style would change everything and England would suddenly become world beaters.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggies on September 04, 2012, 08:54:43 PM
I dont think he will play a 442. More likely he will play a 4411 with somebody like Young as a forward. In months to come we might be asking for a 5 man midfield if Wilshere can come back again next to Carrick, Cleverley and maybe an attacking midfielder but at the moment Hodgson needs to do what I thinks is right - it worked against Italy a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DownInAlbion on September 04, 2012, 10:03:32 PM
Why has Roy called up three left backs?

think betrand may possibly be called up as a left winger?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 04, 2012, 10:06:43 PM
Sure I've read Ashley Cole is injured so Baines will start with Bertrand as cover.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: JDWest_Brom on September 05, 2012, 08:58:11 AM
It makes sense now Cole has pulled out, Roy probably already knew he was a doubt. Bertrand is never a winger. I could understand putting him on the left wing if we were playing Spain or somebody to do a job defensively. But against Moldova?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: GrGr on September 05, 2012, 09:44:03 AM
It makes sense now Cole has pulled out, Roy probably already knew he was a doubt. Bertrand is never a winger. I could understand putting him on the left wing if we were playing Spain or somebody to do a job defensively. But against Moldova?

Roy likes to play with four fullbacks, two normal ones and two extra in front of them. He gets a bit anxious if the extra fullbacks cross the half way line too much.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on September 05, 2012, 10:05:25 AM
I dont think he will play a 442. More likely he will play a 4411 with somebody like Young as a forward. In months to come we might be asking for a 5 man midfield if Wilshere can come back again next to Carrick, Cleverley and maybe an attacking midfielder but at the moment Hodgson needs to do what I thinks is right - it worked against Italy a few weeks ago.

Not sure Young has made the squad has he?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: blackcountryblues on September 05, 2012, 11:45:00 AM
It makes sense now Cole has pulled out, Roy probably already knew he was a doubt. Bertrand is never a winger. I could understand putting him on the left wing if we were playing Spain or somebody to do a job defensively. But against Moldova?

Agree that it seems a bit cautious but maybe Roy will instruct Bertrand to stay up the field in this game for future reference. Bertrand can be quite lively up front, he scored in the Community Shield against City. He could be quite a force for England in the future and the ideal long term replacement for Ashley Cole (no doubt RDMs happy about Bertrands progress too).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 06, 2012, 08:19:45 AM
We should be looking to get six points from these 2 games.
Its funny my focus is fully with the Albion of late.I dont think i will be busting a gut getting to the telly for these games
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Post by: Jack Russell on September 07, 2012, 05:12:29 PM
2-0 England
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 08, 2012, 12:27:42 PM
Great result for Roy. At least I'll still have someone to support after the US fails to qualify.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggies on September 08, 2012, 06:31:19 PM
Arent the US going to qualify then Quakes? I thought you just beat Mexico?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on September 08, 2012, 10:31:32 PM
Mexico was a "friendly." Lost 2-1 to Jamaica last night in the real thing. The US aren't out of it yet, but they haven't looked very good.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 09, 2012, 01:38:46 PM
Not going to get carried away, it was a good win, pleased to see Defoe score, defence looked very solid.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 10, 2012, 01:55:09 PM
Sterling called up after one good game!! Adam Lallana and Jake Livermore have also been called up. I feel sorry for Nathan Dyer
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Post by: wbako on September 10, 2012, 02:19:46 PM
If Jake Livermore is an international player then so am I.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 10, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
Positive from Roy. We often moan as a nation that the youngsters need to be involved so it's nice to see that he's called up three youngsters who if they keep on the right tracks will probably feature for England regularly at some point. Don't expect them to play but it'll be a great learning curve for them. Although they'll have a taste of international football, just like Martin Kelly at the Euro's, they still need to adapt and improve their games at club level in order to become a consistent England international.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: nick_wba on September 10, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
Sterling called up after one good game!! Adam Lallana and Jake Livermore have also been called up. I feel sorry for Nathan Dyer

Beat me to the punch, not sure what more Nathan Dyer can do to earn a call up. He has performed so well consistently over the past 18 months in the Prem whereas Lallana has played 3 games. But Livermore, the next Dean Whitehead, pass it 4 yards to the side or behind. God knows what Roy see's in him.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Wbamitch on September 11, 2012, 07:18:02 PM
Agree with the general thought in that Roy has maybe got it wrong with his 3 replacements. The overlooking of a few players does annoy me. Micah richards and aaron lennon have been players for a while that i am astonished not to see in england squads, not just with Roy. Nathan dyer is a new name to that list and its so frustrating to see some of the players that have made it in instead of them.
Martin kelly
Jordan henderson
Stewart downing
Jake livermore
Adam lallana

They are all players who are streets behind my three options in similar positions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DownInAlbion on September 11, 2012, 11:00:45 PM
England must be the most fustrating and dissapointing teams to watch ever :(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 08, 2012, 10:56:17 AM
Dont know it in full but Roys pulled a beauty in not selecting the very much lazy over rated Ashley Young.
Nice one Roy, keep your mits off our Dan though


Anybody excited about these games?  might see a few goals against San Murino
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 08, 2012, 01:30:37 PM
England must be the most fustrating and dissapointing teams to watch ever :(
Spain before 4 years ago and the Netherlands are probably more frustrating as they were really good and always have been, just never won!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on October 08, 2012, 02:07:41 PM
Who actually wants International football, I dont think anyone misses it when its not on but a lot of people get annoyed by it as it means a weekend without the domestic football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 08, 2012, 02:11:12 PM
they say they don't want it, then the tournament comes and takes over the world for a few weeks, the qualifiers are just a bit that is a necessary burden we have to deal with.

To me football is football, it's still fun to watch.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 08, 2012, 02:13:22 PM
It all Bores me to be honest
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on October 08, 2012, 02:25:17 PM
they say they don't want it, then the tournament comes and takes over the world for a few weeks, the qualifiers are just a bit that is a necessary burden we have to deal with.

To me football is football, it's still fun to watch.

If they did all the qualifiers during the summer or something like that I would probably like it more but I hate it how we have to go the week without the domestic game which in my opinion is so much better and more exciting. England v San Marino for god sake? Half of their players probably couldnt get into Kiddy Harriers team.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on October 08, 2012, 04:22:24 PM
Peter Crouch is better than Andy Carroll..............................Whats going on
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 08, 2012, 05:04:52 PM
If they did all the qualifiers during the summer or something like that I would probably like it more but I hate it how we have to go the week without the domestic game which in my opinion is so much better and more exciting. England v San Marino for god sake? Half of their players probably couldnt get into Kiddy Harriers team.
Your still going to mess up someone's season. They'd probably lose 5-6 weeks of their season with a qualifier game once a week, I know it's not fun to lose a week of the league but it's better than some other league losing a large chunk of their because your too impatient to wait.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 08, 2012, 06:20:22 PM
I swear we're getting more and more bloody international breaks.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 08, 2012, 08:10:46 PM
Who actually wants International football, I dont think anyone misses it when its not on but a lot of people get annoyed by it as it means a weekend without the domestic football.

Count me amongst those who would do away with international football. It's an inferior product and a marketing windfall for all the nasty, corrupt governing bodies around the world.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on October 08, 2012, 08:22:02 PM
Count me amongst those who would do away with international football. It's an inferior product and a marketing windfall for all the nasty, corrupt governing bodies around the world.

What they should do is scrap all the friendlies and qualifiers and just have off season tournaments on a regional basis around the globe. Then the top 4 from each tournament enter the world cup where the teams are seeded according to ranking..........simple and less time consuming.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Webby on October 09, 2012, 01:01:54 PM
might see a few goals against San Marino

Quite frankly if we don't win that by at least 6/7 goals (and/or if we conceed) it'd be embarrassing for us!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2012, 04:27:46 PM
England loosing its appeal apparently. Most people will be watching Wales v Scotland.Will you?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 12, 2012, 04:29:41 PM
England loosing its appeal apparently. Most people will be watching Wales v Scotland.Will you?

Yes.

A must win game for both sides. James Morrison in action too.

Better than watching England pass the ball around for 90 minutes whilst San Marino are camped in their penalty area.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on October 12, 2012, 04:38:03 PM
Its just a farce isnt it, whats the point? If they played this game every day for 3 years San Marino probably wouldnt score a goal. Waste of time!

Cant believe people have paid to watch it. It like getting Albion to play Warley Prem 1 champions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2012, 05:07:36 PM
To be honest We all know Roy plays with the handbrake on.His football is boring to watch.I will be watching the feisty Wales V Scotland game.Come on the Welsh
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Post by: gerry m on October 12, 2012, 05:07:59 PM
England loosing its appeal apparently. Most people will be watching Wales v Scotland.Will you?

yes! will be a more entertaining game!
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Post by: M666EYS on October 12, 2012, 06:06:15 PM
18/1 10-0  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DownInAlbion on October 12, 2012, 06:07:43 PM
wales v scotland for me. dont see the excitement in watching england beat a sunday league team
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
Not one mention about England winning 2-0.Are you all asleep :)
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 12, 2012, 08:55:33 PM
no , just the scotland game is more interesting. not watching the ROI lose to Germany either
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2012, 09:16:18 PM
Man U not performing at all well tonight are they
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on October 12, 2012, 09:23:01 PM
Why are England trying to play everything through the middle when all they have to do is put the ball wide and send in some crosses across the six yard box....................do we look like world cup winners?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 14, 2012, 05:20:20 PM
I would imagine there will be more interest for the Poland game than the San Marino game, am i right?
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Post by: DownInAlbion on October 16, 2012, 07:36:23 PM
pitch is looking terrible might be called off :(
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Post by: kc56wba on October 16, 2012, 07:45:46 PM
pitch is looking terrible might be called off :(
No groundstaff?  No they are over here picking fruit.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
"So how do you feel about the game possibly being called off and replayed another time?"

"It's an absolute disgrace. The roof could have been closed hours ago. I've paid a fortune for flights out from England and now it looks like ill have to do it again!!!"

Said one Poland fan.   :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DownInAlbion on October 16, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
itv make me cringe. the coverage is shocking they have enough trouble dragging out the usual 15minutes having to watch them for longer is horrible. croatia v wales  im watching now couldnt stand it anymore
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Post by: zippyandbungle on October 16, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
The Doris from Poland said they have heating systems, when the roof closes it will get rid of the water in 30 minutes, but they can't close the roof, so how the bloody hell will they fix it .
For me Serbia and Poland should be banned for a long time for these farces tonight!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 16, 2012, 08:07:58 PM
Absolutely pathetic.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on October 16, 2012, 08:10:18 PM
The Doris from Poland said they have heating systems, when the roof closes it will get rid of the water in 30 minutes, but they can't close the roof, so how the bloody hell will they fix it .
For me Serbia and Poland should be banned for a long time for these farces tonight!

what happened with Serbia zippy?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 16, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
As I've seen re-tweeted. What will happen with Emmerdale's live episode tomorrow?!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbarenno on October 16, 2012, 08:33:35 PM
As I've seen re-tweeted. What will happen with Emmerdale's live episode tomorrow?!

**** england if emmerdales on live itv 2 for england :-)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 16, 2012, 08:42:50 PM
BREAKING NEWS: Cliff Richard seen boarding a plane on his way to Warsaw. ;D
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Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on October 16, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
What's the betting Sepp and co take a dimmer view on this than a young player being racially abused?
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Post by: Dudleylad on October 16, 2012, 08:46:40 PM
They are talking about the game kicking off at 3pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 16, 2012, 08:51:23 PM
Everyone involved in this farce must be punished. Including the referee. This is a disgrace.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 16, 2012, 09:03:29 PM
Kick off 4pm tomorrow.

Emmerdale survives!  :D
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Post by: lewisant on October 16, 2012, 09:06:09 PM
i start work at 5 godammit!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on October 16, 2012, 09:09:08 PM
i start work at 5 godammit!

I finish at 1 30 hehehehehehe
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Post by: kc56wba on October 16, 2012, 09:41:47 PM
I hope the roof works more rain due for warsaw :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 16, 2012, 11:04:23 PM
what happened with Serbia zippy?
Sorry to reply late.
The under 21's had to put up with racist chants, being spat at, Serb fans on pitch , fighting, you know the usual we expect and we wait to see what uefa do?.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2012, 01:44:08 PM
I think the team will be sluggish today, fancy the Poles after the last 24 hours goings on
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2012, 03:58:16 PM
That Dingle flag dont half spoil the match viewing. Come on England
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on October 17, 2012, 03:59:15 PM
Sorry to reply late.
The under 21's had to put up with racist chants, being spat at, Serb fans on pitch , fighting, you know the usual we expect and we wait to see what uefa do?.

thanks zippy! an absolute disgrace! time for Uefa to get tough for a change!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2012, 05:12:09 PM
Watching this game.We are hanging on.We have no flare players do we.Everybody seems to be giving the ball away.How we are ranked 4th is beyond me, typical Roy team on show
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Post by: maskarlo on October 17, 2012, 05:16:09 PM
I m pleased to see this: http://legionisci.com/photos13j/13polska_anglia1H_f36.jpg
However I saw this lot to http://i48.tinypic.com/5v7tx1.jpg
Hope the Albion fans didnt have a problem with staying extra one day in Warsaw

Polish FA and FIFA officials dont have a clue what they doing.
1-0 to England :(
Regards from Warsaw
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Post by: kc56wba on October 17, 2012, 05:29:40 PM
Here we go again :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
Pathetic.Lets hope Joe has a stinker on Saturday
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 17, 2012, 05:52:27 PM
Huge bonus for us that Man City players are having to play on a heavy pitch on the Wednesday before we play them. ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 17, 2012, 06:04:00 PM
Well that was another flat boring England performance. We are much better than that to be honest but given the performance it's another point on the board. For large parts we were outclassed by a Polish side. I know we're not world beaters ourselves but our passing for the majority of the game was rubbish add that to the fact we didn't create much either.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbarenno on October 17, 2012, 06:15:49 PM
We've beat San Marino and Moldova who can barely be called football teams, and we struggle against average (at best) teams like Poland and Ukraine. What does that make us?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 17, 2012, 06:16:00 PM
Happy with the result, performance has to be a lot better though, still unbeaten under Roy.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 17, 2012, 06:36:34 PM
We've beat San Marino and Moldova who can barely be called football teams, and we struggle against average (at best) teams like Poland and Ukraine. What does that make us?
a team in transition? have we had a near fixed squad under any of the last three managers?? I don't think we have.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on October 17, 2012, 07:03:20 PM
I'm happy with a point in Poland.
 
Why though do pretty much every team we play keep the ball, have far better touch and technical ability that these England players who are on an average of 100k a week?
 
Something has gone horribly wrong with English football and until that is sorted we'll not win a thing at International level.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on October 17, 2012, 07:53:42 PM
I'm happy with a point in Poland.
 
Why though do pretty much every team we play keep the ball, have far better touch and technical ability that these England players who are on an average of 100k a week?
 
Something has gone horribly wrong with English football and until that is sorted we'll not win a thing at International level.

So am I its a decent point....lets remember this is all about qualification at the moment. Things on the football front arnt going to change massively until we have a new young breed of player come through that are more comfortable in possession. Still we have some good players we are pretty much always hard to beat so we have an outside chance. We should be optimistic about that. I for one am just pleased we have an English manager again...one I respect and who is visibly bursting with pride at being England manager. Please FA no more foreigners.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbarenno on October 17, 2012, 08:54:21 PM
By the time we play Montenegro in March we will be 2 points off the top. Montenegro play San Marino and Moldova before we play them so you would say their going to win those two.What a massive game that will be. After that depending on if we're 5points behind or 1 point clear.

Is having our last two games at home a bad thing for England?

England v Moldova, Friday 6 September 2013. Win

Ukraine v England, Tuesday 10 September 2013 ????

England v Montenegro, Friday 11 October 2013. ????

England v Poland, Tuesday 15 October 2013.????
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Webby on October 18, 2012, 10:37:17 AM
Why though do pretty much every team we play keep the ball, have far better touch and technical ability that these England players who are on an average of 100k a week?
 
Something has gone horribly wrong with English football and until that is sorted we'll not win a thing at International level.

Beause despite the media building up our players week in week out club we genuinely don't produce actual world class technical footballers :'(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2013, 03:42:39 PM
Dont know it in full but Roys pulled a beauty in not selecting the very much lazy over rated Ashley Young.
Nice one Roy, keep your mits off our Dan though


Can anybody really get excited about tonight's game? i cant believe i have lost interest since the world cup in South Africa.Those days i would always put England before the Albion but not anymore
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 06, 2013, 04:02:22 PM

Can anybody really get excited about tonight's game? i cant believe i have lost interest since the world cup in South Africa.Those days i would always put England before the Albion but not anymore
Nope...not me.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on February 06, 2013, 04:20:11 PM
Looking forward to seeing these young Brazilian players particularly Neymar to see what all the fuss is about.
 
From an England point of view cant say I'm bothered really.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: addy on February 06, 2013, 04:20:24 PM
Nope...not me.

Didn't even realise England were playing until seen this, so no I don't really care. I honestly would rather watch a random mid-week premier league game.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on February 06, 2013, 04:29:09 PM
Mentioned this at work earlier, just have very little passion for the England team at the minute.

Im watching this game tonight mainly to see Brazil play in all honesty.

See what the big fuss is with Neymar, playing against 'decent' defence.

Nothing in the England team really gets me excited to want to watch them at the moment.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: maximus on February 06, 2013, 04:49:47 PM
Euro 96 was the last time i was interested in England, Since then i slowly just wasn't bothered in watching them, The players just didn't interest me under the sven era, Self worth and no passion, Scared to sing the national anthem, And since then iv'e just detached myself from being interested in them at all.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on February 06, 2013, 04:53:23 PM
Really looking forward to seeing Neymar and whether he lives up to his hype
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on February 06, 2013, 04:59:20 PM
The only purpose of the England team is to provide some football to watch in the summer every couple of years. Couldn't give a monkeys about this match.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DownInAlbion on February 06, 2013, 08:05:55 PM
1-0 england rooney scored! ronaldinho missed a pen!

rooney and wilshire are just a step above everybody else in this team
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbarenno on February 06, 2013, 09:42:39 PM
Best performance in a long while tonight, wilshere was immense

Neymar is he all that? Looked very average to me
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on February 06, 2013, 09:45:41 PM
Decent game tonight.  Any win against Brazil is a good one.


Have to say though that was the worst Brazil side that I have ever seen. Yeymar?  Not fit to lace the 'greats' boots IMO. I'm not sure whether its their first choice but over the years their 2nd or 3rd team was good enough to beat us.


Big plus point tonight was Wilshere.  I like the look of that 3 in midfield with Cleverley and Gerrard.


Still not sure Rooney can play in that central striker.   Apart from the goal he did nothing.   Walcott looked dangerous on the right and it looks a partnership with Glenn Johnson who I think has cemented his place as first choice right back now.


Cahill made one mistake that cost us the goal but other than that I think he and Smalling did ok.


Plenty of positives tonight but that was a very poor Brazil side who, if that is the quality of their WC squad on home soil, wont get past the quarter finals.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 06, 2013, 10:19:10 PM
Agree with Kris on all points.

Brazil looked average and I thought at times we looked more than comfortable.

The midfield 3 of Cleverley, Gerrard and Wilshere was also very promising and hopefully something Roy shall use again in the upcoming qualifiers.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 06, 2013, 10:22:16 PM
Didn't see all of the game, pleased that we won, Lampards goal was really good. Brazil weren't at there best tonight.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 06, 2013, 11:06:41 PM
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2013, 11:34:40 PM
It's very unfair to judge Neymar on the basis of one match, not least a friendly. The world cup will be the first time most the world see's him in proper competition.

If nothing else, at least these friendlies should give the team a bit of confidence we can compete with the big teams now, that's Italy, Spain, and Brazil we've beaten in friendlies in the space of a year, and draw's with France and Italy in competition football. For many years now our record, even in friendlies, against big teams is appalling.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 07, 2013, 08:04:38 AM
Wilshire. what a football player.Walcott had a good game too.Overall encouraging.I promised myself i wouldn't watch it but i am glad i did.Some faith in England restored
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 07, 2013, 08:26:00 AM
I wasnt aware Brazil were 18th in the world rankings :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 07, 2013, 09:47:41 AM
I wasnt aware Brazil were 18th in the world rankings :o

I didnt know they were that low down either.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on February 07, 2013, 09:55:24 AM
I didnt know they were that low down either.

Is it because they aren't playing qualifiers because they are the hosts of the WC?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 07, 2013, 10:05:53 AM
Can't take too much from friendly games but the performance from our lads was pretty impressive, it shows that we are taking steps in the right direction if we can continue to improve.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 07, 2013, 11:12:11 AM
It was a good win for us, but again we cant read to much into it. There have been some improving signs on this England team, Wilshire, Cleaverly and Gerrard look good together. Overall Joe Hart looks very solid in good, two great saves from him last night. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 14, 2013, 04:22:05 PM
We have an England Player in our ranks.Well done Ben Foster for your call up.When was the last time we had a player called up for England duties?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Gaffer on March 14, 2013, 04:28:22 PM
We have an England Player in our ranks.Well done Ben Foster for your call up.When was the last time we had a player called up for England duties?


The last Albion player I can remember playing for England is Steve Hunt back in about 1984.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 14, 2013, 04:29:56 PM
Scott Carson?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 18, 2013, 01:17:03 PM
Fergies got his way then, Rio pulled out of the squad
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wdbroun on March 18, 2013, 06:19:52 PM
Is anyone surprised by this? http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/18/rio-ferdinand-withdraws-england-squad

Perhaps the rather delicate-sounding medical programme is legit, but this indeed has Fergie's fingerprints all over it,  no?

I really admire Rio, and I'm sorry he's off. He was put in an awkward position. I don't blame him at all, personally, but I do feel a bit of resentment against Man U and Fergie. Am I being unfair to Fergie?

Could Roy have handled the whole thing better? I don't think so, but what do you think?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Standaman on March 18, 2013, 07:47:17 PM
I think it is fair to say that Fergie does not like his players playing international football and in truth most of the bigger club managers have a regular moan about it during the course of a season. However I think Fergie is unique in actively encouraging his players to retire from international football once they reach 30.   
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WSBaggie on March 18, 2013, 07:50:08 PM
Sounds like a big two fingers up back at Hodgson for picking Terry over Ferdinand last year.

Who cares? Ferdinand is average and always has been.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2013, 08:05:43 PM
oh dear Ferdinand's out! whose arse is the Sun going to kiss now ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Gaffer on March 18, 2013, 08:10:12 PM
Sounds like a big two fingers up back at Hodgson for picking Terry over Ferdinand last year.

Who cares? Ferdinand is average and always has been.


Can't agree with that Ferdinand is a Rolls Royce of a defender.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 19, 2013, 09:49:33 AM

Can't agree with that Ferdinand is a Rolls Royce of a defender.


Both John Carew and Jimmy Floyd were on goals on Sunday a few weeks back and they said Rio was the best defender they ever played against in all European divisons
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 19, 2013, 09:54:36 AM
Oh dear Gary Cahill pulled out now. SOS for John Terry?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 19, 2013, 10:34:48 AM
Steven Taylor called up. Is this the first time he's got in the full squad?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2013, 10:56:39 AM
He got a call up in August 2007 for a friendly against Germany apparently. Can't see him getting any game time here, Smalling and Lescott are presumably destined to start.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 19, 2013, 01:19:10 PM
What annoys me is the press portraying it as a blow to Hodgson, and an embarrassment for him. Ferdinand wasn't picked because hes old and past it, and now that we've been left with few other options, Roy only picked him because he was backed into a corner. Now Rio's gone and chucked his toys out the pram, and I'll bet he doesn't get half as much stick for doing that as Ben Foster does for coming back.

The media basically feel slighted because it wasn't their mate the tax-dodger given the job, and want to get back at Roy and the FA. And loads of suckers will buy it hook, line and sinker.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wdbroun on March 19, 2013, 04:30:42 PM
What annoys me is the press portraying it as a blow to Hodgson, and an embarrassment for him. Ferdinand wasn't picked because hes old and past it, and now that we've been left with few other options, Roy only picked him because he was backed into a corner. Now Rio's gone and chucked his toys out the pram, and I'll bet he doesn't get half as much stick for doing that as Ben Foster does for coming back.

The media basically feel slighted because it wasn't their mate the tax-dodger given the job, and want to get back at Roy and the FA. And loads of suckers will buy it hook, line and sinker.
I don't think it's fair to lay the blame at Rio's feet. Imagine having to work for SAF? SAF is the puppetmaster here. I also read plenty of United fans' on Twitter who basically cheered him on, going on and on about how United is bigger than England. That pisses me off, personally.
 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 19, 2013, 09:56:04 PM
Oh dear Gary Cahill pulled out now. SOS for John Terry?
Why him, theres a perfectly good central defender at Bolton at the moment who knows the England set up, can defend and score goals.  Dawson any body ??...............I mean, we're only playing San Marino FFS !! i COULD PLAY FOR ALL THE DEFENDING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED !!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 19, 2013, 11:00:04 PM
Why him, theres a perfectly good central defender at Bolton at the moment who knows the England set up, can defend and score goals.  Dawson any body ??...............I mean, we're only playing San Marino FFS !! i COULD PLAY FOR ALL THE DEFENDING THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED !!!
The one who's already entered in the under 21 squad where he's destined to start and get good game time rather than sat on the bench twidling his thumbs? The one where it's better for both him and us if he stays where he is?

That one?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 20, 2013, 01:41:58 AM
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 20, 2013, 08:11:12 AM
England under some pressure to beat both San Marino and Montenegro.Its possible we might not even make the Playoffs
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 22, 2013, 08:07:27 AM
Cricket score tonight against the equal lowest ranked team in the world
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 22, 2013, 09:00:05 AM
Cricket score tonight against the equal lowest ranked team in the world

Should be but probably wont be.  Frustrating night I reckon with a 3-0 win.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 22, 2013, 09:45:29 AM
Will Rio play for England ever again?

By the way where is San Marino?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: boing_boing68 on March 22, 2013, 10:17:27 AM
Will Rio play for England ever again?

By the way where is San Marino?

Hope not.

And its in Italy
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 22, 2013, 10:22:20 AM
Hope not.

And its in Italy


What a country in a country, whats all that about :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 22, 2013, 10:31:48 AM

What a country in a country, whats all that about :D

Bit like England and Wales really. I thought San Marino was an island until recently
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 22, 2013, 11:02:38 AM
Bit like England and Wales really. I thought San Marino was an island until recently



Have been doing a bit of research.San marino is surounded by Italy, dropped in the middle.strange really so not really like wales
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 22, 2013, 11:28:01 AM


Have been doing a bit of research.San marino is surounded by Italy, dropped in the middle.strange really so not really like wales

Really? It is abit wierd isnt it!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: don1thedon on March 22, 2013, 11:51:59 AM
Dang, I wonder where it was meant to go (and who dropped it)? :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 22, 2013, 12:05:32 PM
Dang, I wonder where it was meant to go (and who dropped it)? :o


If you have ever been to the holiday resort of Rimmini its just down the road.Its  like  say Coventry in England, obviously probably not as poor though
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Bilston Dan on March 22, 2013, 12:06:09 PM


Have been doing a bit of research.San marino is surounded by Italy, dropped in the middle.strange really so not really like wales

The only other comparison I can think of is Lesotho in Africa, that is completely surrounded and in the middle of South Africa. The thing is I think San Marino is a principality rather than an actual country, could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 22, 2013, 12:22:17 PM
Vatican City, Andora and Monaco are other examples of principalities.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 22, 2013, 12:32:51 PM
Vatican City, Andora and Monaco are other examples of principalities.


Do they have borders or are they just a drive through
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Bilston Dan on March 22, 2013, 01:27:10 PM
Vatican City, Andora and Monaco are other examples of principalities.

Well the Vatican and Andorra are both land locked principalities as well. I was going to mention Liechtenstein too. Playing Sporcle Geography games does have some uses!  8)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 22, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
come on England i expect no less than 5 tonight
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 22, 2013, 07:43:47 PM
The one who's already entered in the under 21 squad where he's destined to start and get good game time rather than sat on the bench twidling his thumbs? The one where it's better for both him and us if he stays where he is?

That one?
  Pardon me for voicing an opinion,you are obviously all knowing and how dare my opinion not be the same as yours !

I didnt know he had already been picked for the under 21's and as for him sat on the bench, the thread was about who would replace missing centre halves for England and against the likes of San Marino, Dawson could do a job at short notice.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 22, 2013, 08:23:21 PM
  Pardon me for voicing an opinion,you are obviously all knowing and how dare my opinion not be the same as yours !

I didnt know he had already been picked for the under 21's and as for him sat on the bench, the thread was about who would replace missing centre halves for England and against the likes of San Marino, Dawson could do a job at short notice.
I could say the same to you taking offense to me voicing mine, never said your's was wrong, only that it was logical for both if he pulled a Butland and stayed at the level below.

Dawson is eligable and a part of the under 21's till after the next tournament and would have to have spectacularly bad form to be dropped after his perfomances for them, he's a near constant and he's probably the best the u-21's have but at the same time there are fully fledged defenders that play for their teams who can play for England. Losing one defender is not enough to pull a defender from the youth team when there are plenty of defenders with previous caps. Too much of a risk unless he's really good and heading his place in a top team (which is exactly why players from top teams get picked)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 22, 2013, 10:08:58 PM
Very easy tonight, everyone did there job. Rooney made that free kick look so easy.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2013, 10:06:16 AM
Its a tad more difficult against Tuesdays opponents
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Wbamitch on March 23, 2013, 11:00:28 AM
Damn! Was weighing up between 7 or 8 nil on my bet, obviously went for 7  >:(

Much tougher game tuesday, unusually feeling a bit confident. I'll go for 3-1 England.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wdbroun on March 23, 2013, 03:37:36 PM
Will Rio play for England ever again?
He showed poor judgment to stay on as an Al Jazeera commentator for his own country's match. On the other hand, the man's entitled to look out for himself and develop his media profile. I don't really have a problem with the commentating per se, but in the context of missing a chance to play for his country, it leaves a bad taste.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on March 23, 2013, 04:33:12 PM
He showed poor judgment to stay on as an Al Jazeera commentator for his own country's match. On the other hand, the man's entitled to look out for himself and develop his media profile. I don't really have a problem with the commentating per se, but in the context of missing a chance to play for his country, it leaves a bad taste.

i think he and Ferguson have shot themselves in the foot! as for this nonsense of 'managing' his injury, England were playing San Marino for heaven sake. im 53 with a dodgy knee and  i could have played and did a job.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 23, 2013, 06:46:44 PM
I could say the same to you taking offense to me voicing mine, never said your's was wrong, only that it was logical for both if he pulled a Butland and stayed at the level below.

Dawson is eligable and a part of the under 21's till after the next tournament and would have to have spectacularly bad form to be dropped after his perfomances for them, he's a near constant and he's probably the best the u-21's have but at the same time there are fully fledged defenders that play for their teams who can play for England. Losing one defender is not enough to pull a defender from the youth team when there are plenty of defenders with previous caps. Too much of a risk unless he's really good and heading his place in a top team (which is exactly why players from top teams get picked)
At least I came up with an option about Dawson ( also see the thread about him on the main board ), all you did was have a pop at what I had posted. I can recognise sarchasm when I read it. You offered nothing other than an attempt to belittle what I had posted.

Anyway, it wasnt to be for the lad this time but in the future who knows.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 23, 2013, 06:48:28 PM
England under some pressure to beat both San Marino and Montenegro.Its possible we might not even make the Playoffs
They didnt look to be under pressure to me mate, I expected a cricket score and it almost turned out that way ha ha ha

Montenegro might pose a little more of a threat.....but I would expect us to beat them as well.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wdbroun on March 24, 2013, 05:34:42 AM
Montenegro might pose a little more of a threat.....but I would expect us to beat them as well.
It's amazing how Montenegro even causes a stir, considering they've considerably less population than the city of Birmingham. Must be lots of good footballers there!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 24, 2013, 05:30:15 PM
They are a decent side hence why they top the group....

two very potent forwards, not an easy game but I would still expect us too win
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 24, 2013, 08:44:21 PM
It's amazing how Montenegro even causes a stir, considering they've considerably less population than the city of Birmingham. Must be lots of good footballers there!
Have I missed something here ??

My post was a response to a post about about San Marino.......and compared to them, Montenegro may as well be Brazil FFS !!

Not saying Montenegro are anything, just better than San Marino.....which isnt saying a lot I grant you.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 24, 2013, 09:57:21 PM
I expect a tougher game on Tuesday, but then I also expect us to win this game. Come on England.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 25, 2013, 09:14:29 AM
Have I missed something here ??

My post was a response to a post about about San Marino.......and compared to them, Montenegro may as well be Brazil FFS !!

Not saying Montenegro are anything, just better than San Marino.....which isnt saying a lot I grant you.



If we cant beat a nation with a population 0f 650.000 then there is something seriously wrong.In saying that Montenegro have done exceptional to be where thay are
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 25, 2013, 02:08:08 PM
Like Steve Clarke Roy will pick a team not to loose
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 25, 2013, 03:52:09 PM
Like Steve Clarke Roy will pick a team not to loose
That doesn't make sense, how many times have we drawn under clarke? how many times does he put on attacking players as the game closes? Clarke doesn't play for the draw bar two games, West Ham at home and Stoke away. One to end a poor run of form and the other to retain points from a team we normally lose to.

Hodgson on the other hand, very much did try not to lose, hence why we won so often away when we had to do all the defending.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WSBaggie on March 26, 2013, 01:35:07 AM
Like Steve Clarke Roy will pick a team not to loose

Bit harsh on Clarke there.

Hodgson may well do that though. Since when has any half decent international team had to fear Montenegro? England should show them some respect but nowhere near as much as it seems they are going to.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 26, 2013, 04:31:36 PM
right then lets be having you England.Biggest game since Italy in the Euros
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 26, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
Bit harsh on Clarke there.

Hodgson may well do that though. Since when has any half decent international team had to fear Montenegro? England should show them some respect but nowhere near as much as it seems they are going to.

He's got a point though.
 
With the flair of Ashley Young and Oxlade-Chamberlain to call on and the passing ability of Carrick it really wouldnt surprise me to see Parker and Milner start tonight.   Hodgson will always choose caution especially away.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wdbroun on March 26, 2013, 08:49:37 PM
Hodgson will always choose caution especially away.
At times, last year, this translated into a very defensive, status-quo mentality, as I saw it. Not saying it was a bad thing, but I feel SC has brought a more experimental tone to coaching, and sometimes (not always) the results have been exciting.

By the way, it's currently Montenegro 0 - England 1. Who cares about anything else?  ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 26, 2013, 10:35:35 PM
A game of two halves, first half we were comfortable not dominant but looked the more threatening side. Second half we were poor some poor defending at times and a poor goal to concede too. However not a bad point against a half decent side.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 27, 2013, 12:45:18 AM
Hodgson needs to start being more positive, its not entirely his fault as England sitting back is something that's happened for years, but we were just hoofing the ball out of play and waiting for attack after attack after attack that second half. That with weaker centre backs playing, whereas Montenegro hadn't been able to get into the game first half.

There's really no need to be countering teams like Montenegro by being conservative, there's really no need to pick Milner for his apparent off the ball skills in a game we should be looking to take control over.

They've got a very difficult job to win the group now, and even to make the play off's will require a substantial improvement. It's got Euro 2008 written all over it at the moment I feel. I can definitely see a defeat away to Ukraine, and it's hard to see where a win will come from against Poland and Montenegro given our tactics seem to amount to sit back and wait for them to score.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wdbroun on March 27, 2013, 04:20:54 AM
Hodgson needs to start being more positive ... and it's hard to see where a win will come from against Poland and Montenegro given our tactics seem to amount to sit back and wait for them to score.
You say this style of play has long characterised England?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on March 27, 2013, 04:38:44 AM
I wouldnt even call it a style of play just a team that has been low on confidence for many years scared to take a chance on the ball or mess up as they know how much is at stake blame wise in this country.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on March 27, 2013, 05:16:00 AM
all i can say is good luck to the people who will waste their money following England in Brazil.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 27, 2013, 05:59:04 AM
all i can say is good luck to the people who will waste their money following England in Brazil.

If we get there that is!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 27, 2013, 07:53:01 AM
Thats easily  the worst England team since the seventies
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 27, 2013, 08:23:17 AM
First half it was a good performance particularly early in the half.  We took the game to them and played some lovely stuff.  2nd half we lost it completely.  Gerrard was atrocious, Carrick anonymous, Cleverly ran out of steam, Johnson thought we were playing in red.
 
It was obvious to everyone but Hodgson that changes were needed because it was inevitable that we would concede.  The Montonegran manager was proactive and bold with his changes yet Hodgson didnt react.  I'm not surprised though because he was exactly the same with Albion.
 
Was lucky not to get beat in the end.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 27, 2013, 09:08:51 AM
How Glen Johnson plays ahead of Baines is beyod me. Lescott is also very average as well. If Mcauley or Olsson was English I would say they may be head of the likes of Lescott.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 27, 2013, 09:11:44 AM
How Glen Johnson plays ahead of Baines is beyod me. Lescott is also very average as well. If Mcauley or Olsson was English I would say they may be head of the likes of Lescott.

Isn't one a right back & the other a left back? I think Cole played instead of Baines.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 27, 2013, 09:17:37 AM
no creativity whatsoever.We dont have one world class player anymore.I totally blame too many foreign players in the premier league not allowing English talent coming through.How many players last night dont start for there teams
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Sessegod on March 27, 2013, 06:54:57 PM
Milner and Lescott can't get in their club sides yet play for England, Milner is poor
Johnson - shouldn't be in the side poor defender
Gerard - past it bring in new blood
Carrick - can't see the point - England need a Mulumbu in the side
Wellbeck - god knows what drugs he was on last night

They should start playing the U21's, but the problem here is off the top my head the youth and U21 players don't get the chance to ply their trade in the premiership and gain experience at a top level. The prem is a breeding ground for international stars.

Look at Dawson  - captain for U21's on loan from a prem side to the championship, we could probably say the same for most of them.

No point building a complex when we can't blood the players in our highest league.

Goodbye World Cup next year and Roy's job. Because his decisions last night were poor.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rubyruby on March 27, 2013, 08:09:46 PM
I just think where England are concerned pragmatism is order of the day. Roy is doing his usual professional job with the players he has. We are a good team but not a great team and will always get beaten by the best few teams when it matters. Until the whole way we teach youngsters the game changes we will remain also rans. I still enjoy getting behind them though even if deep down I know it will end in disappointment!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2013, 04:14:51 PM
Davis Beckham retires from professional football at the end of the season. Marmite for most.
The best footballing role model ever
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2013, 04:16:14 PM
Can anyone get excited about the forth coming England games, i cant but no doubt come the night of the match i might find a pub somewhere
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 16, 2013, 04:20:38 PM
Davis Beckham retires from professional football at the end of the season. Marmite for most.
The best footballing role model ever

Looks like he had the last laugh over Fergie in the end then stealing the limelight just as Fergies last day approaches.

Best football role model ? does that include the affair ?  :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 16, 2013, 04:48:44 PM
Great bloke! I like how he gives something back to the game and I think he will continue to.

A lot of people saying one of the greatest players ever.......In terms of ability not for me.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2013, 05:11:02 PM
Does anyone from this board follow England around. I know an Albion fan down here that goes to every England game.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 16, 2013, 05:11:54 PM
On the Beckham topic i got no issues with him being knighted.Fully deserves it for me
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on May 16, 2013, 05:42:24 PM
Davis Beckham retires from professional football at the end of the season. Marmite for most.
The best footballing role model ever


I dont get how anyone can not rate Beckham??!!  Beggars Belief.

THE best role model for any footballer.

One of my all time favourite players, you dont play for Man Ud, Real Madrid, AC Milan and PSG and get 115 International caps for England if your no good....

Totally gutted to see him finish playing, end of an era but who knows maybe the beginning of another for him.

Best of Luck David....football needs more people like you.

Knighthood too follow and fully justified too for me

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 16, 2013, 05:46:55 PM
On the Beckham topic i got no issues with him being knighted.Fully deserves it for me
He won't get a proper knighthood yet (like Seb Coe or Judy Dench is a Dame) but will get an honorary one at New year's at some point. still means the same to Joe Public and even if he doesn't, he's still an OBE. Maybe he could be eligible for Companionship or an Order of Merit in Culture?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 16, 2013, 08:18:45 PM
I rate him, he was an excellent player, but I mean he wasn't up there with the best of the best. I think for everything he does he is a great role model and would be happy for him to be knighted.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on May 20, 2013, 01:41:38 PM
Cant say I'm impressed with the new kit.
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-england-kit-outrage-over-1900476 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-england-kit-outrage-over-1900476)
 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dangerman on May 20, 2013, 01:45:18 PM
So how long does this kit last for?

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 20, 2013, 05:59:33 PM
The new shirt is shocking looks a lot like Germany's, not been that impressed with the last few really.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Wbamitch on May 21, 2013, 09:48:29 AM
Jack Rodwell in the squad now.................................. Deary me.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2013, 09:57:02 AM
Jack Rodwell in the squad now.................................. Deary me.


Not many others to choose from really.England in a bit of a lol at the moment.I dont think they will qualify for Brazil
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: CL3MO on May 21, 2013, 01:01:41 PM
Cant say I'm impressed with the new kit.
 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-england-kit-outrage-over-1900476 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/new-england-kit-outrage-over-1900476)

Why on earth isn't the trim around the neck red, or the Nike tick red?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 22, 2013, 01:10:25 AM
Why on earth isn't the trim around the neck red, or the Nike tick red?
'Cause it doesn't have to be? we've worn blue and black plenty of times instead of red.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2013, 08:42:09 AM
Can anyone name the squad for the 2 friendlies
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 23, 2013, 12:49:50 PM
Jack Rodwell in the squad now.................................. Deary me.

Why? He's not a bad player.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 23, 2013, 12:54:35 PM
Not seen that much of him, but got a couple of goals the other day, and I would rather have a young player rather than going back to players who have played so many times for England and have still yet to perform on a regular basis.
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Post by: The Gaffer on May 23, 2013, 12:56:27 PM
Why? He's not a bad player.


He's not a good one either not in world class terms.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 23, 2013, 01:00:22 PM

He's not a good one either not in world class terms.

Name me one England player who is?
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Post by: The Gaffer on May 23, 2013, 01:03:06 PM
Name me one England player who is?


That's the problem, practically none. Technically Leighton Baines, Wayne Rooney, Tom Cleverley .......................... er .................... that is probably it .............. Frank Lampard, Steven Gerard, Rio Ferdinand but they are yesterdays men.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2013, 01:07:35 PM
We will struggle to qualify for Brazil i tell you
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 23, 2013, 01:17:06 PM
We have a good squad of players that's all know. Rooney isn't a world class player until he performs in a world cup. I think we will go through to the world cup, but I'm not to confident on us even getting out of the group stages.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Gaffer on May 23, 2013, 01:29:12 PM
We have a good squad of players that's all know. Rooney isn't a world class player until he performs in a world cup.


Would you say the same about Messi? Would you have said that of George Best?  International football isn't as strong as Champions League football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 23, 2013, 01:33:55 PM

Would you say the same about Messi? Would you have said that of George Best?  International football isn't as strong as Champions League football.

You could add Gareth Bale to that list plus other Welsh players who have never or may never play in a World Cup.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Gaffer on May 23, 2013, 01:39:56 PM
You could add Gareth Bale to that list plus other Welsh players who have never or may never play in a World Cup.


True. Gareth Bale is in the top five attacking players in the world for me without question.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: sconesy on May 24, 2013, 08:06:39 PM

Would you say the same about Messi? Would you have said that of George Best?  International football isn't as strong as Champions League football.

Completely agree. However Rooney may once have been considered 'World Class', but over the last couple of seasons is a shadow of the player he was 3-6 yrs ago. I'm surprised that he hasn't established himself as a 'true great', if he continues in the same vain, he'll be more like 'too late'!! His performances in crucial England games have been disappointing to say the least and there is certainly no suggestion of this changing. To mention the wonderful George Best in the same breath is a travesty......as for Messi, one can only give a wry smile when comparing the two. I no longer get exited about England and hate the fact that the 'journeymen' are given opportunity after opportunity to let us down. IMO we have younger, more hungry players with a much stronger desire to prove themselves. I also believe that the key to our 'short/mid-term success is to expose other International teams with pace - some of our current youth have pace to burn!! This may only be a short fix but we are all fully aware the overhaul that's needed, and to be fair 'is' being done in the English game. Ask Dan Ashworth!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 27, 2013, 04:05:51 AM
So... I've just seen the new away kit. If there is one thing I have a complaint about it's that DAMN GOLD BADGE!! Not that I actually like the kit overall, actually prefer the old fashioned "German-esque" kit.


(http://www.footballkitnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Red-England-Football-Shirt-2013.jpg)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on May 27, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
The kits are bland and boring these days. Bring back the Euro 96 kit.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 29, 2013, 07:58:46 AM
Can anyone get excited about tonights game against Ireland.Maybe if i was abroad in a bar i might
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MHB WBA on May 29, 2013, 11:43:29 AM
So... I've just seen the new away kit. If there is one thing I have a complaint about it's that DAMN GOLD BADGE!! Not that I actually like the kit overall, actually prefer the old fashioned "German-esque" kit.


(http://www.footballkitnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Red-England-Football-Shirt-2013.jpg)
Will theese be the kits for 1 year again?
Or 2 years like it should be
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 29, 2013, 02:39:31 PM
Will theese be the kits for 1 year again?
Or 2 years like it should be
Unfortunately I'm not at liberty to say.... being that I don't know!  :P

What I DO know though it the White looks very nice in IRL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knnt6aFG85Y (P.S. Safe Hands Foster!)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: albion61 on May 29, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
Does anyone from this board follow England around. I know an Albion fan down here that goes to every England game.
Yes i do missed 2 aways in 12 years off to brazil tomorrow with another 9 lads ,6 Albion ,one Man City,One Forest ,One Villa ,cant wait ,dont do home games though as wembleys a nightmare getting out and home
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 29, 2013, 03:50:51 PM
Yes i do missed 2 aways in 12 years off to brazil tomorrow with another 9 lads ,6 Albion ,one Man City,One Forest ,One Villa ,cant wait ,dont do home games though as wembleys a nightmare getting out and home

I applaud you.Dont forget to drape something with Albion on it :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: albion61 on May 29, 2013, 03:56:56 PM
I applaud you.Dont forget to drape something with Albion on it :)
i have a white dragon (Old English Flag)with Albion on it so look out for that should stand out from the Crosses
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kc56wba on May 29, 2013, 08:17:45 PM
Ireland 1-0 up Shane Long
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WincantonBaggie on May 29, 2013, 08:19:26 PM
What a Bostin' good header Shane Long! Jeff Astle would have been pleased with that one- let's have a few for the Baggies in 2013-2014 please! :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 29, 2013, 08:23:53 PM
England 1-1 ROI (Lampard 22 mins)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 29, 2013, 08:24:57 PM
I expect England to kick on now, attack minded lineup from Roy tonight. Great header from Long for the opener though.
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Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on May 29, 2013, 08:31:34 PM
How could you Shane? Well done SuperFrank.  Pleased to see England taking the game seriously.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 29, 2013, 08:56:14 PM
Great header from Shane Long.

Been an entertaining half, much better than the usual rubbish one paced friendlies.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 29, 2013, 09:03:00 PM
Ben Foster is on for Joe Hart  :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on May 29, 2013, 09:23:45 PM
I'm not really a fan of Nike clobber but, the new England kit looks superb. Good to see the navy blue shorts are back also.

The red 'change' kit looks pretty sharp too.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 30, 2013, 07:54:23 AM
A handbreak on and laboured performance last night, Reminds me of us under Roy, We will not qualify for world cup playing like that
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on May 30, 2013, 08:36:02 AM
Poor performance.  Republic were by a distance the worst team in Euro 2012 and were comprehensively pulled apart by Spain (expected) Italy (embarrassingly one sided) and Croatia (easily).
Hodgson is a 4-4-2 merchant and its so old fashioned and no one plays it anymore at international level.  Boring and rigid and predictable and Ireland just needed to be disciplined in order to shut us out.  Our goal was due to a mistake after all.
When Hodgson got the job I didn't believe he is the right manager and still don't.  I'm not convinced we'll even qualify for the tournament.

On a positive note I do like the new 'German' kit and the red one looks quality too.  ;D
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 30, 2013, 08:51:53 AM
Poor performance.  Republic were by a distance the worst team in Euro 2012 and were comprehensively pulled apart by Spain (expected) Italy (embarrassingly one sided) and Croatia (easily).
Hodgson is a 4-4-2 merchant and its so old fashioned and no one plays it anymore at international level.  Boring and rigid and predictable and Ireland just needed to be disciplined in order to shut us out.  Our goal was due to a mistake after all.
When Hodgson got the job I didn't believe he is the right manager and still don't.  I'm not convinced we'll even qualify for the tournament.

On a positive note I do like the new 'German' kit and the red one looks quality too.  ;D


I agree.Roy is not a one off cup tournament football manager.Hes more suited to the likes of us and Fulham etc.Its what you call grind it out football more suitable to long term league and not cup football
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionLegend on May 30, 2013, 01:39:52 PM
It's the fact that people are surprised about the tactics Roy uses, any Albion/Fulham fan could have told you that this is how he would get England playing so surely the FA knew?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 30, 2013, 02:32:20 PM
It is embarrassing to watch a country the size of England being held to draws at Wembley by workmanlike sides like Ireland. They thoroughly deserved their draw, we were unable to break them down and requiring the needs of James Milner is systematic of what's wrong with the game in this country. A player built on industry with little quality to supplement it.

The FA have a lot to answer for as to how we've fallen so far behind the rest. I honestly don't believe we'll qualify for the World Cup either which shall be the greatest embarrassment I've ever experienced in my time following England, surpassing the wolly with the brolly.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 30, 2013, 02:37:39 PM
What is our current ranking.If we are still top 10 its a joke.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on May 30, 2013, 04:49:36 PM
What is our current ranking.If we are still top 10 its a joke.

http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html (http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/index.html)
 
7th according to this site.
 
Funny thing is that we are behind Columbia and Croatia but ahead of France, Brazil, Italy and Holland.   Nonsense ranking.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 30, 2013, 05:01:15 PM
Roy has his style (all managers do) and he has used it to good effect previously , clearly Mr Lineker beleives he would make a superior tactician ?, he proves this by sitting on his arse with 2 cronies from scousepool on match of the day.
I am still glad that harry Trotter didnt get the job, I would also ask you all to think about the standard of players we have at our disposal , some are quite good/fast/workmanlike non are WORLD class , pique,xavi, iniesta, ibrahimavic, robben , ribery , ronaldo, messi , pirlo, cavani etc etc , each and everyone would love to play England in every match.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 30, 2013, 05:19:42 PM
We are a million miles off being anysort of success.Some of the clubs need to start blooding the English instead of playing mercenary foreigners.Not many of our young up and comers are getting much game time and experience

Ain't it funny this tripe relpaced Britans got talent on TV
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Post by: leeiswba on May 30, 2013, 05:27:05 PM
We are a million miles off being anysort of success.Some of the clubs need to start blooding the English instead of playing mercenary foreigners.Not many of our young up and comers are getting much game time and experience

Ain't it funny this tripe relpaced Britans got talent on TV

But why? What will they get out of it?

Clubs don't care about England they are just worried about their team and you cant blame them really. There is nothing for clubs to gain for blooding English youngsters so why would they bother.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dudleylad on May 30, 2013, 06:32:35 PM
This is Gary Linekar a bloke who has never managed in his life.

Won 9 Drawn 6 Lost 1 -  Hardly poor is it.

Roy has been given the task to try and rebuild a nation which has some promising youngsters but an ageing spine. Hes gone into nearly every job hes had with similar problems and built doing just what hes doing now nothing flash but hard to beat.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 04:18:20 PM
4-1 Brazil
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Foster#1 on June 02, 2013, 04:33:33 PM
Brazil 6/4 to keep a clean sheet with Betfred, lump on!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2013, 05:56:04 PM
Surprised so many people seem to think Brazil will thrash England, although you always get these doom mongers. Brazil aren't that great (we did beat them a few months ago as a lot of people seem to forget). Granted there's a lot of injuries but the first eleven is hardly terrible. Although people in this country have a bizarre fascination with friendlies, the results and even performances in them tend to be pretty irrelevant.

I think it'll end a draw.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 08:24:47 PM
Does Glen Johnson always get a cap because there is no one else
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 02, 2013, 08:33:17 PM
Don't get used to seeing England play in Brazil...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 08:41:03 PM
Don't get used to seeing England play in Brazil...


They wont be going back next year thats for sure
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 02, 2013, 08:46:44 PM

They wont be going back next year thats for sure

Exactly. Brazil have barely got going here and they're comfortable. The fact we're still relying on a guy up front who hasn't performed for England for the best part of a decade speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 08:52:40 PM
At best via a playoff but there will be some good teams fighting for a place including Ireland. I just feel we have too much to do to go through direct. possibly need to win our 4 remaining games
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Post by: gerry m on June 02, 2013, 08:55:57 PM
Does Glen Johnson always get a cap because there is no one else

is he Roy's illegitimate son?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 02, 2013, 08:56:42 PM
Good performance so far. In Roy We Trust.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 08:59:05 PM
its sloppy.Thank goodness for Joe Hart
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 02, 2013, 09:01:30 PM
Good performance so far.

Is that sarcastic?

I think we've been utter S***e.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 02, 2013, 09:04:55 PM
Is that sarcastic?

I think we've been utter S***e.

Your thinking is correct! If Brazil step it up a gear we could be on the end of a hiding.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 09:16:36 PM
More positive second half
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 02, 2013, 09:23:29 PM
How does Glen Johnson get into this team?!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 09:26:40 PM
How does Glen Johnson get into this team?!


I can only assume we have no one else better
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 02, 2013, 09:30:45 PM

I can only assume we have no one else better

And the man who replaces him grabs the equaliser! Great goal.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 02, 2013, 09:31:38 PM
Where on earth that came from I'll never know!  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 09:33:01 PM
Anybody spotted Albion61s England flag yet 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 02, 2013, 09:41:55 PM
Well, he certainly responded to my criticism. Great goal Rooney!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 02, 2013, 09:42:28 PM
Lost for words.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 02, 2013, 09:43:51 PM
stunning  :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 02, 2013, 09:45:40 PM
Lets get back to the moaning then  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 02, 2013, 09:52:19 PM
more encouraging in the second half thats for sure
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 02, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
England to win the World Cup, might have a bet on it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 03, 2013, 09:01:02 AM
England to win the World Cup, might have a bet on it.

Might be easier to place a tenner in your toilet bowl and flush.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 03, 2013, 09:14:03 AM
Good result, better 2nd half performance, Hart fantastic, Johnson and Walcott appalling.
 
This looks like a poor Brazil side to me but no doubt come the tournament they will raise their game and we (if we get there) will go into our shell as always.
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Post by: beechyboy90 on June 03, 2013, 10:29:47 AM
Good result, better 2nd half performance, Hart fantastic, Johnson and Walcott appalling.
 
This looks like a poor Brazil side to me but no doubt come the tournament they will raise their game and we (if we get there) will go into our shell as always.

dont know how walcott gets a game might as well start an empty plastic bag sometimes. the bloke is quick and is a good prem player but nothing on world stage. should play the ox over him everyday of the week. Fat Frank is still our key man.

looked good on the counter in general we have speed throughout the team
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Post by: kris_boing on June 03, 2013, 11:23:30 AM
Walcott is an impact player at best.  Good to shove on when defenders are tired.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 03, 2013, 01:03:46 PM
Roy will never make an England manager.He is not a cup tournament type manager.He likes his draws and draws don't get us anywhere because we cant take penalties.
Come back to us Roy and keep us mid table forevermore
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dexy on June 03, 2013, 01:34:25 PM
While i don't think we will win anything i do think some of the moaning is over the top , this side is one or two good strikers away from being decent imo.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 03, 2013, 01:51:16 PM
Roy will never make an England manager.He is not a cup tournament type manager.He likes his draws and draws don't get us anywhere because we cant take penalties.
Come back to us Roy and keep us mid table forevermore

He got Fulham to the Europa League final beating teams such as Juventus on their way. England fans always blame the manager but the quality is just not their anymore. Best chance we had of winning a tournament was between 2002-2006. Even then we got knocked out on penalties twice and got beat by a freak goal from Ronaldinho. We have generally had rotten luck in tournaments.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 03, 2013, 01:53:57 PM
The simple fact is we don't have enough world class players to win a tournament. 
 
We wasted our chance to win a major tournament from 2002 to 2006 under Sven.  We had truly world class players to pick from who were in their prime in Scholes, Gerrard, Beckham, Lampard, A Cole, Owen and Rooney in a team with the likes of Ferdinand, Campbell, Terry, G Neville who were all winners playing for top sides.
 
Under Sven he couldn't decide on his best side and kept shunting Scholes first and latterly Gerrard out wide to accommodate Lampard in midfield resulting in none of them recreating their club form.
 
We had the team and the players back then and between those players and the management of the time they royally screwed it up.
 
This current batch has absolutely no chance whatsoever of winning a major tournament.
 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: hardtobeat on June 03, 2013, 03:37:37 PM
Pretty awful first half pretty good second half.Walcott was Brazils best defender and Johnson at times their best attacker,he really cannot defend!Hart kept us in it and Rooney did a lot of good work,substitutions made a vital difference.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 04, 2013, 10:10:05 PM
While i don't think we will win anything i do think some of the moaning is over the top , this side is one or two good strikers away from being decent imo.
I agree mate.....we have a decent proven striker ( when he's fit) in Jermain Defoe but for some reason he hardly gets a look in, probably due to his fitness but I'd play him above Rooney as a striker. Rooney did F/A apart from score adeflected goal. Yes I know that's what he's there for but he's not right for an out and out striker role.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 04, 2013, 10:57:31 PM
Rooney can do it...but often doesn't , world class players are Consistent, which is why Cole, Lampard, Gerrard are the closest we have, Roy takes unfair abuse for 2 reasons 1) the players are just not good enough, 2) he's not Redknapp.

The next World Cup winners will begin with B , Brazil at home always strong and Belgium, Lukaku  :D, benteke, Vermalen , vertonghen, miralas, hazard, de bryune , mingolet, courtouis,kompany etc etc.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 05, 2013, 12:15:09 AM
Rooney can do it...but often doesn't , world class players are Consistent, which is why Cole, Lampard, Gerrard are the closest we have, Roy takes unfair abuse for 2 reasons 1) the players are just not good enough, 2) he's not Redknapp.

The next World Cup winners will begin with B , Brazil at home always strong and Belgium, Lukaku  :D, benteke, Vermalen , vertonghen, miralas, hazard, de bryune , mingolet, courtouis,kompany etc etc.
Call it controversial, but i have a feeling they are going to turn into the old Spain. Rivalling Holland as the best team not to win. Naturally I have no evidence, but I think they'll flop at the World Cup....
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 05, 2013, 07:00:29 PM
Do you think England will qualify for Brazil? I think we will get there via the playoffs
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Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 05, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
Call it controversial, but i have a feeling they are going to turn into the old Spain. Rivalling Holland as the best team not to win. Naturally I have no evidence, but I think they'll flop at the World Cup....

Agreed, I'm of a similar opinion.

On the subject of England, just wondering if uncle Roy may be going down the old Italian way, not convincing in the qualifiers but doing enough & then scraping through the finals by being hard to beat, not saying it will happen but if England won the world cup playing crap football, there wouldn't be many moaning, I doubt.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 05, 2013, 08:14:31 PM
Do you think England will qualify for Brazil? I think we will get there via the playoffs

Our performances so far in qualifying have left a lot to be desired. The important game will be Poland at Wembley. As it stands, I really don't see us qualifying unless we can pull something out the bag. As much as I'd like England to qualify to be at the World parties and to compete on the grandest stage of them all, we'll only be set up for disappointment when we get there so it might be a blessing in disguise if we don't qualify afterall. Jokes aside, if we don't qualify it will be an absolute embarrassment and would be typical of how England as a nation has been let down by it's players and footballing authorities over the last ten, twenty, thirty or even forty years. I don't think the national game has been considered so poorly as it now, that's partly due to a lack of success but the way the current players, and some who have previously retired have viewed it as a burden - the pulling out of squads for ridiculous injuries but managing to play for their clubs on the saturday - unless that mentality changes then the glamour of the national game will continue to decline.

There is always expectation following England but for a country our size to not be competing or at least winning tournaments is frankly abysmal. The wait has gone on far too long and the FA can hold themselves accountable due to the growth of English footballers being quite frankly poor - still, least the Premier League makes some money, eh?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 05, 2013, 08:20:12 PM
Do you think England will qualify for Brazil? I think we will get there via the playoffs
sounds about right.

But I don't think England are a bad team, I relate them (rather fittingly) to Liverpool. The players are there and of the quality but are inconsistent as a whole, while the hype around them (built mostly from the media) makes them out to be MUCH better than they actually are , and conversely much worse at the same time, but it's still a good enough team on their day. I predict we'll get in, and I'm going to predict an Italian-styled improvement over the tournament that'll get us up to the semi finals. Which isn't bad at all on the face of things.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 05, 2013, 08:24:35 PM
Our performances so far in qualifying have left a lot to be desired. The important game will be Poland at Wembley. As it stands, I really don't see us qualifying unless we can pull something out the bag. As much as I'd like England to qualify to be at the World parties and to compete on the grandest stage of them all, we'll only be set up for disappointment when we get there so it might be a blessing in disguise if we don't qualify afterall. Jokes aside, if we don't qualify it will be an absolute embarrassment and would be typical of how England as a nation has been let down by it's players and footballing authorities over the last ten, twenty, thirty or even forty years. I don't think the national game has been considered so poorly as it now, that's partly due to a lack of success but the way the current players, and some who have previously retired have viewed it as a burden - the pulling out of squads for ridiculous injuries but managing to play for their clubs on the saturday - unless that mentality changes then the glamour of the national game will continue to decline.

There is always expectation following England but for a country our size to not be competing or at least winning tournaments is frankly abysmal. The wait has gone on far too long and the FA can hold themselves accountable due to the growth of English footballers being quite frankly poor - still, least the Premier League makes some money, eh?
What does that say about the Dutch? At least we've won a major tournament (which i don't think Holland has)and arguably the Dutch national side have a consistently better team with some very big names in there.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 05, 2013, 08:31:22 PM
What does that say about the Dutch? At least we've won a major tournament (which i don't think Holland has)and arguably the Dutch national side have a consistently better team with some very big names in there.

Without wishing to sound rude, Hunnington. I don't really give a crap about the Dutch and what they do. I'm interested to see what England do and ever since 1966, it hasn't really been good enough.

The Dutch have failed in tournaments but have no doubt brought through some very entertaining, technically gifted footballers which we haven't been able to produce with the exception of a few.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 05, 2013, 08:39:19 PM
Without wishing to sound rude, Hunnington. I don't really give a crap about the Dutch and what they do. I'm interested to see what England do and ever since 1966, it hasn't really been good enough.

The Dutch have failed in tournaments but have no doubt brought through some very entertaining, technically gifted footballers which we haven't been able to produce with the exception of a few.
It was just an example, there are plenty of teams with high stature that haven't won in many years and perhaps never won. We aren't a unique case, not by a long shot. But because of this habit to beat the current players with the team's history then it make us look much much worse (reminds me of another link with Liverpool, living off past glory)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 05, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
It was just an example, there are plenty of teams with high stature that haven't won in many years and perhaps never won. We aren't a unique case, not by a long shot. But because of this habit to beat the current players with the team's history then it make us look much much worse (reminds me of another link with Liverpool, living off past glory)

Indeed and that's a problem for Dutch football and one they'll look to eradicate.

My problem isn't winning competitions, it's the lack of challenge we provide in winning them. In general, English players aren't good enough and questions have to be asked why - especially when we're a country which in football terms produces a hell of a lot of money yet the national team doesn't reflect that. I don't tend to beat anybody with a history stick but the current crop, the golden generation if you like have proved themselves to be incredibly average in competitions and not good enough - the quarter finals was their peak. However, there's no denying that their antics over the years has frustrated the nations supporters who would have given anything to represent their country whereas many nowadays seem to view it as a burden.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: boing_boing68 on June 05, 2013, 10:29:37 PM
of course we will qualify as group winners, if we can't qualify from that group then it's pointless going to the world cup anyway.
the problem we have as a nation is we don't have a good enough strikeforce, was talking about this today at work and we couldn't name 5 strikers we would take.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 05, 2013, 11:39:29 PM
the problem we have as a nation is we don't have a good enough strikeforce, was talking about this today at work and we couldn't name 5 strikers we would take.

I wouldn't stop just there mate.

I guess you could include midfielders and defenders in that list of not being good enough.

I do agree you with you though that our striking department is looking incredibly bare. It's made even worse when injuries occur.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: boing_boing68 on June 05, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
I wouldn't stop just there mate.

I guess you could include midfielders and defenders in that list of not being good enough.

I do agree you with you though that our striking department is looking incredibly bare. It's made even worse when injuries occur.

yeah you have a good point with the midfielders aswell, the only real good players we have who could win a match are Hart,  Wilshire, Lampard and Rooney,
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 06, 2013, 07:14:44 AM
Watching the under 21s last night was as painful as watching the seniors. Players who cannot pass a ball or control it.


Mind you how are we supposed to move forward to try and catch up with the Germans and the Spanish when we have Hodgson and Pearce coaching. Awful appointments by the FA.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ronnie_allen on June 06, 2013, 09:11:04 AM
Just to clarify, that the Dutch did win the European Championships in 1988. Not quite the World Cup but just a little over half as long ago as 1966.
As some have stated, the media will overreact to the slightest little turn of a game to boost their own sales. Euro 96 and Italia 90 are seen as two of the recent successes but am pretty sure  the knives were out after the first games against Switzerland and Rep. of Ireland respectively. Especially for Robson in 90 after the disastorous Euro 88 campaign.
Also, Italia '90 may be seen as a gallant heroic effort, with a cruel penalty defeat to Germany but taken from another perspective, out of 6/7 matches, the only team England beat over 90 minutes was Egypt.

Anyway a summer cold has me spluttering away. Think England will qualify and feel that a quarter-final would be just about a par result.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 06, 2013, 12:14:03 PM
Watching the under 21s last night was as painful as watching the seniors. Players who cannot pass a ball or control it.


Mind you how are we supposed to move forward to try and catch up with the Germans and the Spanish when we have Hodgson and Pearce coaching. Awful appointments by the FA.

And I assume some of those shall eventually be integrated into senior level.  ::)

Stuart Pearce labelled them as "awful" last night. He's out of contract after this tournament.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 06, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 06, 2013, 11:16:33 PM
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 07, 2013, 12:26:13 AM
Players need to be taught at youth levels the importance of retaining possession and the ability to be calm in possession of the ball, that process should be ready for the U21s who shall then prepare them for senior football. However, just look at some of the names in that side on Wednesday. It just screamed average which has typified the English game over the last how many years? Jordan Henderson and Jonjo Shelvey? The English game just cries effort and industry and very little quality to supplement it. Maybe I'm over-reacting but we are light years behind some of these country in terms of technical ability.

I also think the culture of this country does us no favours whatsoever. We seem to produce footballers who receive far too much too early and therefore they tend to stagnate. Their rewards should be lowered and be made to earn their rewards by making careers for themselves and not just being given the rewards as they appear too now. The culture for English players seems to be to make money, lead an unhealthy lifestyle . The rumours surrounding Jack Wilshere's lifestyle continue to be at the fore-front with many believing that his "injuries" aren't all they appear and would you be so surprised?

My personal opinion and approach for the way forward should see Education schools. Take youngsters away from their comfort zone, provide them with the basics of the education system and work on the technical and tactical methods creating innovating training systems, training sessions and most importantly playing football matches on small pitches. Not these great pitches we see now which see youngsters these days sprinting 60 yards before making a pass. We should be preparing them for football careers but also futures in coaching. In addition, they need to experience the cultures and lifestyles of other nations. It's OK playing matches in this country against players of roughly the same calibre and make up. Take them abroad into countries like Spain, Italy and Germany and organise matches with similar age groups. We don't see enough English players experiencing other ways of living - how many English players have plied their trade in a foreign country? Owen Hargreeves and Joey Barton spring to mind with neither having careers for their national side, one due to injury and the other for being a knob. Let them learn and experience other cultures and the demands which are set in their country. Of course, this is going to happen so I'm kidding myself and we'll have to suffer with more average, garbage being produced as the likes of Germany and Spain continue to produce technically gifted players we can only dream of.

Edit: I would also have changes into the rules of the Premier League, clubs academies and general change in the FA too but again, this won't happen either.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 07, 2013, 09:16:01 AM
What about we stop building on playing fields
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 07, 2013, 10:37:54 PM
Good results for England tonight, back in our own hands.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 07, 2013, 11:10:14 PM
Tonight's results will have helped. Ukraine are the dark horses in this group for me. Not only do we have to face them in their own back yard but they have two games against San Marino which is a more or less guaranteed six points. We still have to face Montenegro and Poland. Tonight will have helped but I'm not counting my chickens yet.

Hope the U21's can pull off a victory against Norway too. That game is a must win to keep their qualification hopes alive.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 07, 2013, 11:15:31 PM
Ukraine will be a very tough game, we just about nicked a win against them at the Euros. It's going to be very close, I really can't see us winning all the remaining games.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 08, 2013, 09:57:09 AM
So we have been given a lifeline. Get a draw in th Ukraine and win our 3 remaining home games we should be there
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 08, 2013, 10:42:18 AM
Not sure I see last night's result as a lifeline. A draw would have been better.  The way we are playing and the confidence that result will now give Ukraine means we are now in a 3 way fight instead of a two. Before yesterday we had the relative comfort of the playoffs and now we don't.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 08, 2013, 07:03:30 PM
Under 21's were awful. Pearce OUT Southgate IN
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 08, 2013, 07:53:32 PM
Under 21's were awful. Pearce OUT Southgate IN

Hopefully not.

Let's not have yes men who tick the boxes.

Let's try and appoint a coach who is modern and has achieved something in his coaching career - and now I'm struggling..
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 08, 2013, 09:39:52 PM
I really think we should get away from the 'names' like Pearce and Southgate.  Use someone who has worked with younger players and developed them.  These players may well be (wrongly) millionaires but they are still developing players and should be treated and coached as such.
 
Ashworth should look at successful youth coaches from the academies and employ those and make sure they can coach and concentrate on passing the ball rather than hoofing it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 09, 2013, 12:05:02 AM
Unemployed and not wanted by Man United (David Moyes);

Rene Meulensteen - Have doubts as to whether he would want the job but he's exactly the sort of person the FA should be looking at but asking him to fix the U21s isn't the issue really. It needs fixing at lower age groups.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 09, 2013, 11:53:24 AM
Shambolic England u21s
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: jonny on June 09, 2013, 10:36:56 PM
Just noticed the line ups from the Euro U21 final in 2009. Look where those players are now and the gulf in quality:

6 of those Germany players play for one of the top 4 teams in Europe and are key players in their current national team. Arguably only one of ours is good enough for our fist XI.

Germany U21: Neuer, Beck, Howedes, Boateng, Boenisch, Hummels (Aogo 83), Johnson (Schwaab 68), Castro, Khedira, Ozil (Schmelzer 89), Wagner.


England U21: Loach, Cranie (Gardner 80), Richards, Onuoha (Mancienne 46), Gibbs, Cattermole, Muamba (Rodwell 77), Noble, Milner, Walcott, Johnson.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 09, 2013, 10:46:46 PM
It's weird seeing Milner in that team. I was watching Premier League years from around 2003 and Milner was on it scoring for Leeds. Really good player no doubt but was hyped up at the time to be a future star for England.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 09, 2013, 11:04:24 PM
Germany U21: Neuer, Beck, Howedes, Boateng, Boenisch, Hummels (Aogo 83), Johnson (Schwaab 68), Castro, Khedira, Ozil (Schmelzer 89), Wagner.


England U21: Loach, Cranie (Gardner 80), Richards, Onuoha (Mancienne 46), Gibbs, Cattermole, Muamba (Rodwell 77), Noble, Milner, Walcott, Johnson.

That is frightening. Well and truly frightening.

(No point winding yourself up Liam)  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Sessegod on June 10, 2013, 07:35:09 AM
They should give the job to glenn hoddle, since he left the England job he has been developing youth and trying to bring players on.

More importantly England need to develop a style of football that they see as being successful and bring it through all age groups. They had no problem doing that in the 80's when they adopted hoofball as the way forward, which is still why we are struggling today.

They also need to look at Cricket and Rugby, they have been getting their houses in order for years and now produce talent and more importantly depth of talent. Same as cycling and rowing.

The FA continue to be pushed aside by the EPL and our youth do not get the chance. The homegrown under 21 rule about minimum players is a joke as much as the FFP, big clubs tend to buy the better UK players and don't play them to make up the required quota.

The under 21's who went to Brazil for a piss poor waste of time friendly should have been getting tournament experience, Pearce isn't to blame it's the whole system.

DA has a big job on his hands but lets face it he'll be shackled and nothing will be done.

On a final point, people who aren't west brom fans are already saying they are fed up with Roy's teams drawing games, I have told them to get used to it. It keeps you in the Prem but won't win you a world cup, unless you are Italy.

Rant over
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 11, 2013, 07:17:46 PM
Another dismal display by the U21's, this time against the mighty Israel.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 11, 2013, 07:53:35 PM
Embarrassing to leave the tournament having finished bottom of the group with 0 points and only managing one goal in our three fixtures - a goal which came from the penalty spot. Stuart Pearce cannot survive this and I expect the FA to not renew his contract when he returns from the tournament, thank him for his efforts and send him packing - although, knowing that farce he shall probably be given a new deal.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2013, 11:48:58 AM
Harry Redknapp having a dig of all people now - also suggests that Glenn Hoddle should take charge of the England U21s.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/22884638

I don't agree with Hoddle taking charge of the U21s - he should in my opinion be allowed the platform to make the ideal changes to the game as he appears to be the only person who has outlined any forward thinking plan to make the necessary changes. Given his comments which saw him sacked many years ago, I very much doubt he'll be given the opportunity.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 16, 2013, 08:26:51 PM
I mentioned Rene Meulensteen previously in this thread. According to Henry Winter, the Qataris are leading the chase for him:

Henry Winter ?@henrywinter

FA need to be fast/bold & get Rene Meulensteen #mufc into St George's Park. Qataris lead chase for one of the best skills coaches around 1/2


Henry Winter ?@henrywinter

Meulensteen's coaching enhances players' flair. He'd be ideal working alongside Dan Ashworth at FA coaching hub at St George's Park 2/2


Henry Winter ?@henrywinter

While the FA slowly debate #eng problems, the Qataris actively pursue Meulensteen to work on their skills-based coaching programmes
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 20, 2013, 12:08:02 AM
A lot of talk on Twitter suggesting that Michael Appleton could be named the England U21's coach.

It would make perfect sense considering both Ashworth and Hodgson are a part of the FA set up.

Although he's not the person I'd want in charge of the U21s.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 20, 2013, 08:38:08 AM
A lot of talk on Twitter suggesting that Michael Appleton could be named the England U21's coach.

It would make perfect sense considering both Ashworth and Hodgson are a part of the FA set up.

Although he's not the person I'd want in charge of the U21s.

I can see the Press having a field day should this happen.
 
"This is England NOT West Bromwich Albion".
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on June 20, 2013, 09:44:54 AM
Haha it would seem more like West Brom than England if Appleton does go there!!

On another note, watched the Italy Japan game last night and Japan impressed me so much, judging on that performance they are way ahead of us! Not good times for English football at the moment. The bottom line is basically we need more English players playing in the Premier League as the current figure 31% is shockingly poor.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 20, 2013, 10:06:13 AM
Haha it would seem more like West Brom than England if Appleton does go there!!

On another note, watched the Italy Japan game last night and Japan impressed me so much, judging on that performance they are way ahead of us! Not good times for English football at the moment. The bottom line is basically we need more English players playing in the Premier League as the current figure 31% is shockingly poor.
You didn't see the Brazil game, did you? Japan always do this, they are either very very good or very very bad. That is why they never get out of the group stages at major tournaments. While England are "usually" quite consistent, not earth shattering but usually get to the last 16. Add the importance of playing in Brazil is to the Japanese and you can see why they were desperate to stay.

Japan also have about 14-15 players playing outside of japan (mostly in the Bundesliga), where as nearly ALL of ours play not only in this country, but for the same 6-7 teams! really I'd say we need LESS English players in the league and for them to be shipped overseas cheaper.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: boing_boing68 on June 23, 2013, 09:21:20 PM
even the under 20s can't beat Iraq under 20s now, drew 2-2 after being 2-0 up
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 23, 2013, 10:38:07 PM
Another embarrassment to add to the FA collection of embarrassments but it's no surprise given our utterly poor record in this competition anyway. I didn't get to see the game but from what I've read on sources such as Twitter was that the Iraqis looked very comfortable in possession of the ball and surprisingly we didn't. There is so much wrong with our national set up that it is past borderline ridiculous.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 23, 2013, 11:07:28 PM
And that's the crop of players we've got to look forward to when the current mediocre bunch are past it. Christ...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dudleylad on June 23, 2013, 11:11:53 PM
For years we have relied on powerful strikers at national level. Pace and Power was what we concentrated on and the technical side of football was lost.

Sir Trevor Brooking said this about 5-10 years ago and was shouted down because the press deemed his comments negative towards black players who have historically brought pace and power into our game well according to the press anyway.

Ignoring the fact that players like John Barnes were very technically gifted.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dudleylad on June 23, 2013, 11:14:41 PM
As for U21's next manager the footballing media need to get their heads out of their backsides if Appleton is appointed.

Could someone tell me what Peter Taylor's record was when he was appointed in 1996 and nutured some very good players.

He had a 10 year career where he managed Dartford, Dover and Southend.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on June 24, 2013, 12:13:15 AM
In fairness I seem to remember Blackburn fans lamenting some truly dire football under Appleton, he may have been highly rated as a coach here, but his management career so far doesn't seem to mark him out as one of the progressive managers around. In fairness that may be due to the clubs he's chosen to manage, but then thats his own fault.

Although I think by the under 21's its too late to do much different anyway. If you've been playing direct football through the various age groups then by the time you're 20/21 its going to be a hard habit to break when you've only got them training once a week every few months. The England under 20's are particularly brutal, no wins in 14 games now, dating back to 1997.

France have Pogba who played 37 times for Juventus last year, regularly starting. It makes a mockery of the burn out excuses that are made to not pick players when pretty much every other nation in the world picks their best players for their age groups, then somehow we'll be the team who look tired come a world cup or euro's despite the rest our players get.

I'd say at least the good thing that will come out of these appaling youth performances is that it'll mean that English football has to change, but then not qualifying for Euro 2008 did nothing, and World Cup 2010 did very little. Let's face it its not conducive for the premier league to promote English players, its considered a global league with a global reach, they don't want unknown academy players making their name, they want established foreign players from all over the world so they can't market the league to those countries. As usual the premier league clubs miss the point with the academy system, and instead of being a coaching overhaul to be academy one, its just a case of throwing money at it - to be category one, or rather to stay category one, you should have to produce a certain number of players who play a certain number of games, say every 5 seasons. Instead its just a case of having money to throw at the academy which top teams appear to use to hoard players to stop rivals getting them rather than to develop them. Let's say review every 5 years and you must have had 10 players by that point come through your academy and have played in 10 first games for at least 45 minutes per game, and be eligible for the English team. Otherwise be stripped of category one status.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on July 01, 2013, 10:58:51 AM
I see that the England U20's got knocked out of the World Cup having failed to get out of their group of Chile (1-1) Iraq (2-2) and Egypt (0-2).
 
This after the U21's failed miserably at the Euro's and the seniors struggling to qualify for next summers World Cup.
 
Worry times for English Football.  The International Premier League, and that's what it has become, is ruining English football and the English FA is powerless to stop it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on July 01, 2013, 11:13:16 AM
I see that the England U20's got knocked out of the World Cup having failed to get out of their group of Chile (1-1) Iraq (2-2) and Egypt (0-2).
 
This after the U21's failed miserably at the Euro's and the seniors struggling to qualify for next summers World Cup.
 
Worry times for English Football.  The International Premier League, and that's what it has become, is ruining English football and the English FA is powerless to stop it.




The likes of Izzy going to Chelski and never getting a game wont help either
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on July 01, 2013, 02:53:27 PM
I see that the England U20's got knocked out of the World Cup having failed to get out of their group of Chile (1-1) Iraq (2-2) and Egypt (0-2).
 
This after the U21's failed miserably at the Euro's and the seniors struggling to qualify for next summers World Cup.
 
Worry times for English Football.  The International Premier League, and that's what it has become, is ruining English football and the English FA is powerless to stop it.

The under 20's weren't too bad in fairness, they get a raw deal. All the teams they played have vast experience together, and all of them had full internationals whereas the under 20's are thrown together with many of their best players missing (either through the under 21's or "injured" - Byram, Will Hughes, Afobe, Thorne... It's worth pointing out Germany didn't qualify for either the under 20's or under 21's.

You have to remember that the under 20's is the under 21's to most most teams at that tournament. As well as the injured players above they were also missing Chalobah, Redmond, Butland, Wisdom, Robinson, McEachran, Wickham, Zaha, Stirling, Luke Shaw, Nick Powell, and if you look to the senior's (France for example have Pogba at this tournament) Oxlade-Chamberlain.

Take into account a "full strength" under 20 side and the only ones from the squad who went who would play would probably be Barkley (who looked very impressive) and Eric Dier.

We have teams that could win these tournaments but we don't pick the best players so players who should be going to the under 20 world cup end up having to go the under 21's and people who should go to the under 21's don't get picked at all!

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 04, 2013, 11:35:43 AM
Dropped to 14Th in the World rankings.More realistically where we should be.Our lowest ranking since the wolly with the brolley
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 24, 2013, 01:26:11 PM
England v Scotland in a few weeks.Anyone going to the game.London will be a mass of drunken Scots
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 25, 2013, 04:31:47 PM
As for U21's next manager the footballing media need to get their heads out of their backsides if Appleton is appointed.

Could someone tell me what Peter Taylor's record was when he was appointed in 1996 and nutured some very good players.

He had a 10 year career where he managed Dartford, Dover and Southend.

His record was 30 games 13 wins 7 draws and ten defeats a pretty decent record. His second spell as England un21 boss was even better 16 games 9 wins 2 draws and 5 defeats. Peter Taylor is now the England u20 boss which I think is a good appointment.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 26, 2013, 02:10:58 PM
Peter Taylor is now the England u20 boss which I think is a good appointment.

Based on what? He is the typical FA 'tick all the boxes' man - just like Stuart Pearce.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 26, 2013, 02:51:24 PM
Based on what? He is the typical FA 'tick all the boxes' man - just like Stuart Pearce.

Based on that his record more than anything else is pretty good, very experienced at coaching young players too.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 28, 2013, 12:00:51 PM
A massive couple of months coming up for England
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on August 08, 2013, 01:30:04 PM
Same old faces for the Scotland game i see.Bloody Glenn Johnson again
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 08, 2013, 01:33:07 PM
Congrats to Ben Foster been called up. Rickie Lambert has been called up to the squad too and I suppose Wifred Zaha is a bit of a surprise that he has been called up but apart from that its very much the usual players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 08, 2013, 01:37:23 PM
Saido Berahino has been called up to the Under-21's who will also be managed by Roy Hodgson.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on August 08, 2013, 01:38:24 PM
Saido Berahino has been called up to the Under-21's who will also be managed by Roy Hodgson.



Very well done indeed
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 13, 2013, 09:25:56 PM
England u21s beat Scotland u2s 6-0 at Bramall Lane.

England were very good but it's hard to judge given how poor Scotland were. Some good quality of goals from England tonight which could have easily been avoided from a Scotland point of view.

Saido Berahino was an unused substitute.

Also in the stands was Michael Appleton - potentially the next under 21s coach.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 13, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
Just gave my missus ( who is Scottish ) the good news, she flicked me the bird and pi**ed off into the kitchen,  ;D :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on August 14, 2013, 09:17:02 AM
Also in the stands was Michael Appleton - potentially the next under 21s coach.

'Its who you know, not what you know'.  No doubt in my mind he's only linked with the job by having previously worked with Ashworth and Hodgson.
 
What has Appleton done to deserve being responsible for the next generation of English footballers?  This is even a step back from Stuart Pearce IMO.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 14, 2013, 09:35:51 AM
Just gave my missus ( who is Scottish ) the good news, she flicked me the bird and pi**ed off into the kitchen,  ;D :D



Got yeah flag draping out the window up there i hope ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 14, 2013, 12:02:41 PM


Got yeah flag draping out the window up there i hope ;)
Way ahead of you there mate. 2 FLAGS out the upstairs window, One St George, one Union Jack............old school !!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 12:08:53 PM

'Its who you know, not what you know'.  No doubt in my mind he's only linked with the job by having previously worked with Ashworth and Hodgson.
 
What has Appleton done to deserve being responsible for the next generation of English footballers?  This is even a step back from Stuart Pearce IMO.

I tend to agree. I've been quite critical in the past of the FA appointing their yes men and Appleton just seems like another in the long list of those appointed because they 'tick the boxes' despite having achieved very little in their managerial careers. Michael Appleton has a very disjointed and poor CV in terms of managerial achievements, for him to be given the under 21s job would be silly in my opinion when we've allowed quality coaches like Rene Meulensteen get away without an interest - who despite having a lack of managerial chances is a very highly regarded coach in bringing out players technical ability - he was apparently very important behind the developments of Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck, emphasising the importance of being good on the ball whilst he was working at United as their skills development coach. No doubt if Appleton was to be appointed we would have the same 442 outdated junk which has been served to us previously to no avail and has been criticised by supporters of Portsmouth, Blackpool and Blackburn - clubs whom Appleton managed.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on August 14, 2013, 01:56:42 PM
I tend to agree. I've been quite critical in the past of the FA appointing their yes men and Appleton just seems like another in the long list of those appointed because they 'tick the boxes' despite having achieved very little in their managerial careers. Michael Appleton has a very disjointed and poor CV in terms of managerial achievements, for him to be given the under 21s job would be silly in my opinion when we've allowed quality coaches like Rene Meulensteen get away without an interest - who despite having a lack of managerial chances is a very highly regarded coach in bringing out players technical ability - he was apparently very important behind the developments of Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck, emphasising the importance of being good on the ball whilst he was working at United as their skills development coach. No doubt if Appleton was to be appointed we would have the same 442 outdated junk which has been served to us previously to no avail and has been criticised by supporters of Portsmouth, Blackpool and Blackburn - clubs whom Appleton managed.

This guy is not even English.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WSBaggie on August 14, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
This guy is not even English.

So what? He has coached some of the best English talent in the country over the last 6 years, would have been a very useful addition to the coaching team.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 14, 2013, 02:09:48 PM
This guy is not even English.
Neither is Benteke but don't let that slow you down Mr Griffin.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on August 14, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
So what? He has coached some of the best English talent in the country over the last 6 years, would have been a very useful addition to the coaching team.

Surely we need to be giving opportunities to young English coaches like Appleton.

How else are we going to get better managers in the future?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on August 14, 2013, 02:13:11 PM
Neither is Benteke but don't let that slow you down Mr Griffin.

Benteke doesn't play for England though does he.

But you probably think he should be allowed to.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WSBaggie on August 14, 2013, 02:19:19 PM
Surely we need to be giving opportunities to young English coaches like Appleton.

How else are we going to get better managers in the future?

I wouldn't trust any young English manager with the job at the moment. It's not a good enough job for some managers to bother with.

In my opinion it should be a coach, these players are all young with plenty to learn and they should be being taught it by good quality coaches.

Thing is with football people don't realise most of the groundwork in training sessions is laid out by the coaching staff and these coaches don't get high enough recognition.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on August 14, 2013, 03:51:27 PM
Predictions for tonights game?

3-1 England Wooney and a pitch invasion at the end
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 04:02:49 PM
This guy is not even English.

And your point is?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 04:05:14 PM
Predictions for tonights game?

3-1 England Wooney and a pitch invasion at the end

Seeing an awful lot of arrogance from England supporters on Twitter which is setting us up for a downfall in my opinion. Scotland played very well in their victory in Croatia a month or two ago and from what I've seen have looked much better under Strachan.

If a side is going to win it shall be a goal either way, but I personally see this being a 1-1 draw which shall be another embarrassment for English football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 14, 2013, 04:09:31 PM
Seeing an awful lot of arrogance from England supporters on Twitter which is setting us up for a downfall in my opinion. Scotland played very well in their victory in Croatia a month or two ago and from what I've seen have looked much better under Strachan.

If a side is going to win it shall be a goal either way, but I personally see this being a 1-1 draw which shall be another embarrassment for English football.
Croatia also played very VERY poorly....
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on August 14, 2013, 04:13:44 PM
I'm going for a 3-2 win.  Dorrans and Morrison to both score and play well but a win for England.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 04:13:59 PM
Anybody seen what the Tartan Army have done to Trafalgar square? Filling it up with washing up liquid  :D

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BRorhJ8CYAI81mp.jpg)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2013, 04:33:29 PM
Seeing an awful lot of arrogance from England supporters on Twitter which is setting us up for a downfall in my opinion. Scotland played very well in their victory in Croatia a month or two ago and from what I've seen have looked much better under Strachan.

If a side is going to win it shall be a goal either way, but I personally see this being a 1-1 draw which shall be another embarrassment for English football.

How can you call it arrogance and then say a 1-1 draw would be an embarrassment?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 04:47:58 PM
How can you call it arrogance and then say a 1-1 draw would be an embarrassment?

It was a lot of political arrogance rather than anything football related - although I have seen some over excited predictions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on August 14, 2013, 05:33:20 PM
And your point is?

This country is a shambles at running our national game, producing footballers and producing coaches. I read a statistic the other day which stated that the number of British coaches wanting to get into the game is continuing to drop whilst other nations like Spain and Germany continue to rise. I have no problem in choosing English coaches provided they have the qualifications and experience to do the job - more worryingly is that there is very little to choose from and someone like Appleton, who appears to be continuing with out-dated methods is certainly not the way forward for English football - we need to get away from yes men who 'tick the boxes'.

Appointing foreign coaches is an embarrassment.

You talk about Spain and Germany, did they use foreign coaches to turn-around their success?

No.

They did it themselves.

We've got St George's Park now.

Let's do it ourselves.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 06:32:10 PM
Appointing foreign coaches is an embarrassment.

You talk about Spain and Germany, did they use foreign coaches to turn-around their success?

No.

They did it themselves.

We've got St George's Park now.

Let's do it ourselves.

I don't care about who is in charge providing our national team is successful.

Spain and Germany have had the foresight to enhance academies whilst produce exciting, technical footballers who treat the ball as a friend and not as an alien like our country seems too. The point I was making when talking about them is that the lack of people in this country applying to become coaches is vastly smaller than those nations - the ratio of coaches to players in this country is 1:812 whereas in Spain it's 1:17.

We are a long way behind.

And St Georges Park - brilliant. That is really going to solve the problem of English football.

We need more facilities like those dotted around the country. It's quite stationary having it placed in Burton. One down south, one in London, one up North would be beneficial - of course I realise money makes that an issue.

Then we have to address what they're being taught. Sessions need to be innovative. Pitches could do with being smaller and having 4 on 4 games, allowing young players more touches of the ball in a tight environment. They then need to be taught tactically, how to overcome situations and what is expected of 442 formation, or 352, or a 4231 etc - whether this happens at St Georges Park or academies at football clubs.

In addition to that point above, this needs to be happening from a very young age. Get them playing football and receiving coaching at the ages of 5 and 6, not too late that they've missed out on vital parts of their development. Children learn a lot from their moment their born until the age of six - in that time we should be getting them involved and taught the fundamentals of the game - pass and control.

That's just the start of it.

And then later down the line it will need changes to the leagues to allow them a platform to perform.

Having St Georges Park and hoping that will magically produce footballers won't work.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 14, 2013, 07:54:42 PM
I'm going for a 3-0 England win tonight, The Scots look very weak at the back, not a great deal of experience there either and our front six look very strong tonight. I really hope that James Morrison plays well and that he doesn't pick up an injury too.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 08:13:58 PM
Ridiculous goalkeeping.

James Morrison scores for Scotland  :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbako on August 14, 2013, 08:14:38 PM
How Hart is in the team ahead of Foster is beyond me.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 14, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
great strike by mozza, more of those through the season please! we all know hes capable of a good clean strike
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on August 14, 2013, 08:21:49 PM
How Hart is in the team ahead of Foster is beyond me.

yeah! needs to lose a few pounds instead of waving them outside nightclubs
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on August 14, 2013, 08:25:44 PM
How Hart is in the team ahead of Foster is beyond me.

Hate to sound synical but it's the clubs they play for.
Scotland showing more passion and Gerard hammering the ball out of play a lot. Just what I expected
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 14, 2013, 08:28:03 PM
Appointing foreign coaches is an embarrassment.

You talk about Spain and Germany, did they use foreign coaches to turn-around their success?

No.

They did it themselves.

We've got St George's Park now.

Let's do it ourselves.

Yes, FA executives must have the most opulent surroundings possible if England are going to win.  ::)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 14, 2013, 08:31:54 PM
How Hart is in the team ahead of Foster is beyond me.

Until 6 months ago Hart was the much better keeper. Now though, you may have a point... Feel Foster's self imposed exile has done him no favours.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: botters on August 14, 2013, 08:34:47 PM
How Hart is in the team ahead of Foster is beyond me.
He looks too top heavy to me
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 14, 2013, 09:01:58 PM
Ridiculous goalkeeping.

James Morrison scores for Scotland  :)

After seeing the replay, I'm more sympathetic. Hart didn't see it until the last moment, and Mozza really hammered it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 09:04:31 PM
After seeing the replay, I'm more sympathetic. Hart didn't see it until the last moment, and Mozza really hammered it.

No excuses for me, Quakes. He's gotta be saving that for my liking.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 14, 2013, 09:10:19 PM
Wow, well I guess I feel a bit better about Kenny Miller scoring against San Jose on Saturday.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 09:12:56 PM
Whenever I've seen Scotland, Kenny Miller has usually been absolute dog turd. How can we allow him that much time to get a shot away?

Good header that from Welbeck.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 14, 2013, 09:22:40 PM
Whenever I've seen Scotland, Kenny Miller has usually been absolute dog turd. How can we allow him that much time to get a shot away?

That description would apply to the entire Scotland attack in recent years; tonight is anomalous. But Miller has looked much better recently with Vancouver.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 09:30:09 PM
That description would apply to the entire Scotland attack in recent years; tonight is anomalous. But Miller has looked much better recently with Vancouver.

To be honest, you're quite right, any forward would struggle working for Craig Levein!

Well done Rickie Lambert. Dead chuffed for him. All those years of hard work have finally paid off.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 14, 2013, 09:30:18 PM
Fantastic header from Lambert
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 14, 2013, 09:31:44 PM
What a header from Lambert, delighted for him.

Why can't we play the Scots every year? This is fantastic. I've never seen us play Scotland before.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 14, 2013, 09:33:29 PM
A fantastic header from Lambert, very few keepers would have stopped that.  Hart should have saved the Morrison shot, it was a great shot from Mozza but very poor goalkeeping.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on August 14, 2013, 09:34:23 PM
Rickie Lambert is a lot better player than people give him credit for
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 14, 2013, 09:40:11 PM
Rickie Lambert is a lot better player than people give him credit for

Totally agree, players get written off sometimes as they come from the lower leagues, some do have the ability to play much higher.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 14, 2013, 09:40:11 PM
To be honest, you're quite right, any forward would struggle working for Craig Levein!

Or George Burley or Alex McLeish.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Griffiths pick up a season-ending knock.  :-X
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 09:45:23 PM
Don't think McLeish or Walter Smith's Scotland were that bad personally. I remember McLeish's side actually winning quite a few.

Burley, Levein, Vogts reigns have been rubbish to say the least.

How many times is Zaha going to over hit a cross? It's like having Liam Ridgewell on the pitch.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 14, 2013, 09:52:29 PM
I'm going for a 3-2 win.  Dorrans and Morrison to both score and play well but a win for England.
And for Saturday please  :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 14, 2013, 09:53:28 PM
McLeish had his famous win in Paris, but the attack was so feeble that it took a 40-yard wonderstrike by James McFadden to achieve it.

I didn't mention Smith for obvious reasons.  ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2013, 10:15:41 PM
I thought you had ignored Sir Walter so I thought I'd just remind you of his achievements  ;D they were unlucky in that campaign not to qualify. I remember a terrible decision against Italy going against them which more or less knocked them out.

I've thoroughly enjoyed tonight's friendly. Entertaining game. Hopefully we can replay the game next year at Hampden Park.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 14, 2013, 10:24:30 PM
I don't think the home nations cup should be brought back, who cares about Wales -v- Northern Ireland for example? But I don't want to wait 14 years for such a fantastic game again. Usually I cannot stand the friendly before the season starts, not this year!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 14, 2013, 10:56:54 PM
I don't think the home nations cup should be brought back, who cares about Wales -v- Northern Ireland for example? But I don't want to wait 14 years for such a fantastic game again. Usually I cannot stand the friendly before the season starts, not this year!
the Welsh? The Irish?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 14, 2013, 11:02:29 PM
I don't think the home nations cup should be brought back, who cares about Wales -v- Northern Ireland for example? But I don't want to wait 14 years for such a fantastic game again. Usually I cannot stand the friendly before the season starts, not this year!

Boaz Myhill, Gaz McAuley, Chris Brunt?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2013, 11:45:37 PM
None of those teams care about playing each other, just England. Look at the Carling nations cup and check the attendances which are awful. The highest attendance, in a stadium holding 50k, was 19k, and the lowest was just 500 between Wales and Northern Ireland. It's not a sustainable tournament. A friendly every few years is the right way to do it.

People moan about international friendlies as it is so we'd either be shoehorning in more games, or playing basically no games outside qualifying against teams that aren't the home nations, which would surely be counter productive. It's surely far more beneficial for the players to be playing against Spain, Italy, Germany, Brazil in friendlies than it is to be having a bunch of games against similar styled teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jonah on August 14, 2013, 11:57:16 PM
Thought Mozza had a good game. Anyone else agree?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 15, 2013, 12:33:11 AM
Thought Mozza had a good game. Anyone else agree?

Yes mate, was the best Scotland player (notice I didn't say Scottish ;)). I posted on twitter the performance should put to bed talk of him not starting on Saturday (in so many words  ;D).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: divinewind on August 15, 2013, 05:06:11 AM
A good job Mozza didn't live a couple of centuries ago,his head would have been on a spike on London Bridge.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2013, 07:57:42 AM
A good job Mozza didn't live a couple of centuries ago,his head would have been on a spike on London Bridge.



Is that beacuse hes an Englishman :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on August 15, 2013, 09:02:55 AM
That defence was dodgy.Old man Miller out turning Cahill for that goal
Worst England team in my time
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 16, 2013, 01:58:58 PM
If I remember rightly, Northern Ireland -v- Wales got an attendance that didn't even make triple figures.

Actually, 529...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/13540749

So less of the jumping on my opinion please! :)

We don't need the home nations tournament returning, it's pointless. England -v- Scotland every year or two would be idea.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on August 16, 2013, 02:15:20 PM
England v Scotland would be good every 4 years
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 16, 2013, 02:51:01 PM
England v Scotland would be good every 4 years

Yeah it might get a bit stale if it was annual. Or maybe during odd years when there is no tournament? Alternatively hosting.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on August 16, 2013, 02:56:32 PM
I'd say create a tournament every couple of years to coincide with the World Cups and the European Championships.   A few years down the line none of us will be qualifying.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on August 16, 2013, 03:02:42 PM
I'd say create a tournament every couple of years to coincide with the World Cups and the European Championships.   A few years down the line none of us will be qualifying.


I still say England will struggle to qualify for Brazil.They need 10 points.Win all 3 left at home and get at least a point in the Ukraine
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 16, 2013, 06:54:55 PM
Yeah I think Brazil will be our last sniff of qualification for a good while.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on August 17, 2013, 12:17:32 AM
Yeah I think Brazil will be our last sniff of qualification for a good while.

You do know that 24 teams will be at Euro 2016?

We will never miss a European Championship,
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on August 17, 2013, 10:06:06 AM
You do know that 24 teams will be at Euro 2016?

We will never miss a European Championship,

Euro 2008? Assuming it's the top 2 in every group and then the best 3rd places, even with 24 teams we would have been very close to not qualifying, Israel were below us in 4th just on GD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2008_qualifying#Group_E
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Handsworth Wood Villa on August 17, 2013, 10:24:04 PM
Euro 2008? Assuming it's the top 2 in every group and then the best 3rd places, even with 24 teams we would have been very close to not qualifying, Israel were below us in 4th just on GD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2008_qualifying#Group_E

If Euro 2008 had 24 teams we would have qualified,

It would have been top 3 automatically qualify (no play-offs)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2013, 11:43:37 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23804230

Gareth Southgate appointed England Under 21's boss.

He'll be another which will be handicapped due to the first team limiting the pool of players by calling up youngsters to travel across the world to sit on the bench and train with the first team in pointless friendlies.

It comes as no surprise to the see the FA yet again appoint one of their own.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tucka9 on September 04, 2013, 10:57:48 PM
As it's an international break, I thought id ask everyone's opinion on next years world cup squad (assuming we qualify) even though it's a bit early.

Foster
Hart
Ruddy

Johnson
Walker
Cole
Baines
Cahill
Jagielka
Jones
Dawson

Gerrard (c)
Wilshere
Lampard
Barkley
Walcott
Sterling
Zaha
Oxlade-chamberlain

Rooney
Sturridge
Welbeck
Defoe

Starting line up
Foster
Walker
Jones
Jagielka
Cole
Wilshere
Gerrard
Lampard
Walcott
Rooney
Sturridge
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2013, 11:05:04 PM
The glaring omission is Carrick, but you won't be far off. Also would not expect Lampard in the starting line-up/strongest XI.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tucka9 on September 04, 2013, 11:11:54 PM
The glaring omission is Carrick, but you won't be far off. Also would not expect Lampard in the starting line-up/strongest XI.
I forgot about Carrick if I'm honest mate, he will probably start above Lampard, I just think Lampard can change a game especially in a 3 man midfield where he can float around.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BaggieJames114 on September 05, 2013, 07:52:01 AM
World cup squad, hmm

J.Hart
B.Foster
J.Ruddy

G.Johnson
K. Walker
P.Jones
G.Cahill
P.Jagielka
A.Cole
L.Baines

S.Gerrard (C)
F.Lampard
A.O.Chamberlain
M.Carrick
J.Wilshere
T.Cleverley
J.Milner


T.Walcott
W.Rooney
D.Welbeck
D.Sturridge
J.Defoe
A.Carroll

My first XI would be

                      Hart

  Johnson  Jones    Cahill      Cole

      Gerrard  Carrick  Wilshere

      Walcott  Rooney  Sturridge
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on September 05, 2013, 08:32:27 AM
No one discussing Greg Dykes comments about the future of the England team?
 
Just goes to show how much people really give a monkeys about it.
 
Have to say my passion for the England team is virtually nil.  I'll probably watch the game on Friday if there's nothing else on.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on September 05, 2013, 08:51:26 AM
By far the worst bunch of England footballers for many years.Ukraine next week will kill off any ambition of going to Brazil
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 05, 2013, 10:20:46 AM
No one discussing Greg Dykes comments about the future of the England team?
 
Just goes to show how much people really give a monkeys about it.
 
Have to say my passion for the England team is virtually nil.  I'll probably watch the game on Friday if there's nothing else on.

I think the comments about winning the World Cup in 2022 were a joke to be honest. You would hope that we would not be far off the semis in 2020 but to win the World Cup is asking way to much unless we suddenly develop a few more gems over the next few years.

Seemed to have come in to give the impression 'i'm going to shake it all up' and over the next few years it will slowly ebb away and be forgotten until the time comes when we don't win the World Cup and he passes the buck.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
No one discussing Greg Dykes comments about the future of the England team?
 
Just goes to show how much people really give a monkeys about it.
 
Have to say my passion for the England team is virtually nil.  I'll probably watch the game on Friday if there's nothing else on.

All words and no action.

He's made a lot of blanket statements and I'm sure is hoping that they might turn out to be true. Let's face it, apart from saying what is obvious to everybody, there was very little plan or substance to his words. It's the basic rhetoric you would expect from someone in the position. There was no recognition of how the changes which are made to improve the game actually ending up harming it further (EPPP). Let's face it, even if he does start trying to implement change, the PL will soon kick up and a fuss and he'll get the boot.

The FA do not run the game in this country and there's no point pretending they do.

By my calculations, in ten years time when this world cup comes round, we'll be relying on the 12, 13, 14, 15 year olds of today who lets face it have had the out-dated coaching methods of hoof it and give it your all forced into them so Dyke's wait might just be a bit longer than he anticipates.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
In other news, the under 21s face Moldova at the Madjeski tonight.

Saido Berahino starts in Gareth Southgate's first competitive game.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2013, 08:01:53 PM
Saido Berahino has scored on his England debut.

1-0.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 05, 2013, 08:07:52 PM
All words and no action.

He's made a lot of blanket statements and I'm sure is hoping that they might turn out to be true. Let's face it, apart from saying what is obvious to everybody, there was very little plan or substance to his words. It's the basic rhetoric you would expect from someone in the position. There was no recognition of how the changes which are made to improve the game actually ending up harming it further (EPPP). Let's face it, even if he does start trying to implement change, the PL will soon kick up and a fuss and he'll get the boot.

The FA do not run the game in this country and there's no point pretending they do.

By my calculations, in ten years time when this world cup comes round, we'll be relying on the 12, 13, 14, 15 year olds of today who lets face it have had the out-dated coaching methods of hoof it and give it your all forced into them so Dyke's wait might just be a bit longer than he anticipates.

Are you involved in coaching Liam? as thats a bit of a sweeping statement.

I've been coaching youth football for quite a few years & having been brought up watching Albion teams playing good football I've always tried to encourage young players to keep the ball & worked on developing their passing ability.

Now whilst I would say that there are still coaches for who the phrase 'get rid of it' seems to of been invented, I have seen changes & initiatives brought in to attempt to include more technical coaching methods.

Hopefully in time we'll turn the corner in this Country & begin to bring through better technical players able to play at the highest level on the World stage but you're totally wrong Liam to assume you know what coaching methods are currently being taught without experiencing them at first hand. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: GrGr on September 05, 2013, 08:18:28 PM
I remember Germans commenting on one of the English sides in a recent World Cup. They were shocked over the lack of technical ability of the English players and said that if a German player wasn't comfortably and consistently able to hit passes to the feet to moving team mates 30 yards away they weren't considered for the national team.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Aztech on September 05, 2013, 08:19:02 PM
Are you involved in coaching Liam? as thats a bit of a sweeping statement.

I've been coaching youth football for quite a few years & having been brought up watching Albion teams playing good football I've always tried to encourage young players to keep the ball & worked on developing their passing ability.

Now whilst I would say that there are still coaches for who the phrase 'get rid of it' seems to of been invented, I have seen changes & initiatives brought in to attempt to include more technical coaching methods.

Hopefully in time we'll turn the corner in this Country & begin to bring through better technical players able to play at the highest level on the World stage but you're totally wrong Liam to assume you know what coaching methods are currently being taught without experiencing them at first hand.

I agree, I coach an under 15 team.

I can assure you our style is certainly not hoof ball.

The vast majority of the drills I use are based upon one touch control, pass and move.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
I remember Germans commenting on one of the English sides in a recent World Cup. They were shocked over the lack of technical ability of the English players and said that if a German player wasn't comfortably and consistently able to hit passes to the feet to moving team mates 30 yards away they weren't considered for the national team.

Really? I'd have thought most successful teams, including Germany would be moving away from being concerned over long passing, accuracy or not. To be honest I think most English players would do well at that drill, they're not that technically incompetent.

Indeed its more short quick passes that take apart teams that England have a problem with, alongside their extremely poor movement, rather than their long range passing. That's where England look subpar against teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: GrGr on September 05, 2013, 08:30:10 PM
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2013, 08:34:24 PM
Are you involved in coaching Liam? as thats a bit of a sweeping statement.

I've been coaching youth football for quite a few years & having been brought up watching Albion teams playing good football I've always tried to encourage young players to keep the ball & worked on developing their passing ability.

Now whilst I would say that there are still coaches for who the phrase 'get rid of it' seems to of been invented, I have seen changes & initiatives brought in to attempt to include more technical coaching methods.

Hopefully in time we'll turn the corner in this Country & begin to bring through better technical players able to play at the highest level on the World stage but you're totally wrong Liam to assume you know what coaching methods are currently being taught without experiencing them at first hand.

I've watched quite a few Sunday league matches previously and I got that fed up I gave it in. The standard of football whilst I wasn't expecting to be setting the world alight was one which was eye awakening to be honest. I didn't know anybody there to know the age bracket but the number of players who would rather hit the ball long because of a lack of confidence in their own ability was quite worrying - as was the advice being given to them by their coaches and I assume parents on the touchline. It was all very nervy and seemed like players were frightened to hold the ball in case they were culpable of making a mistake.

I watched one of the sides training warm ups prior to a game and wasn't particularly impressed with that either. It seemed incredibly half arsed with little emphasis on possession - one touch pass and move football. Another thing which was evident the lower down the age bracket I got was those who spent more time running with the ball due to size of the pitches than actually maneuvering the ball - they were out of breath after five minutes. Apologies if I offended you with my generalisation, I didn't mean too and it's good to see that there are coaches who are willing to make possession based games a positive.

I'm hoping to get over to Germany in the next two years and whilst I'm there I'll pay great attention to how their training sessions and matches differ to ours - I must be sad if that's what I intend to do with a holiday. Now I have a bit more time on my hands I'm also looking to try and get watching youth side matches in my local area - despite how annoying I found it last time.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: GrGr on September 05, 2013, 08:44:41 PM
Saido Berahino has scored on his England debut.

1-0.

Very impressive goal from Berahino too :)

That Redmond kid looks very good as well.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: boing boing baggies on September 05, 2013, 08:57:54 PM
Saido Berhainio
Saido Berhainio
He is too goodio
Scores lots of goalsio

saido, saido...saido...

We love you saido we do, we love you saido we do, we love you saido we love you.... west brom west brom   ;D ;D

Poor but fun  :P
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2013, 09:04:10 PM
Very impressive goal from Berahino too :)

That Redmond kid looks very good as well.

Agreed. Very impressive finish.

Been quite impressed with England. Kept possession well. Admittedly, against a very poor Moldova side.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: GrGr on September 05, 2013, 09:12:28 PM
Despite the big guns England have on the flanks (Zaha, Redmond) Berahino gets very poor service.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 05, 2013, 09:13:28 PM
I've watched quite a few Sunday league matches previously and I got that fed up I gave it in. The standard of football whilst I wasn't expecting to be setting the world alight was one which was eye awakening to be honest. I didn't know anybody there to know the age bracket but the number of players who would rather hit the ball long because of a lack of confidence in their own ability was quite worrying - as was the advice being given to them by their coaches and I assume parents on the touchline. It was all very nervy and seemed like players were frightened to hold the ball in case they were culpable of making a mistake.

I watched one of the sides training warm ups prior to a game and wasn't particularly impressed with that either. It seemed incredibly half arsed with little emphasis on possession - one touch pass and move football. Another thing which was evident the lower down the age bracket I got was those who spent more time running with the ball due to size of the pitches than actually maneuvering the ball - they were out of breath after five minutes. Apologies if I offended you with my generalisation, I didn't mean too and it's good to see that there are coaches who are willing to make possession based games a positive.

I'm hoping to get over to Germany in the next two years and whilst I'm there I'll pay great attention to how their training sessions and matches differ to ours - I must be sad if that's what I intend to do with a holiday. Now I have a bit more time on my hands I'm also looking to try and get watching youth side matches in my local area - despite how annoying I found it last time.

No worries, as I said there are still some coaches who get a goalie or defender who can kick the ball into the oppositions penalty area (Ala hoof ball) which invariably results in attempts/goals, this also totally bypasses the 10 or so (depending on age group) players in between, I can only assume you were unlucky enough to have been watching one of those games, thankfully more & more youth coaches are working on technical development now especially since the FA's non competitive initiative a few years back.

Fitness levels amongst young children tends to vary from team to team but I have also seen young lads blowing after a few minutes (too much PS2, facebook, mobiles etc.. MAYBE!).

I do try to watch coaching methods from abroad but must admit I have never studied any from Germany, you'll have to give us the heads up when you've been over there.         
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on September 05, 2013, 09:17:05 PM
Despite the big guns England have on the flanks (Zaha, Redmond) Berahino gets very poor service.
to be fair though, Saido's had three defenders on him all game, with the way he's trying to play he's struggling to provide an outlet for them.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 06, 2013, 11:40:34 AM
I do know a chap that goes to every England game and every Albiion game and hes got a wife.
He will be boarding a plane to the Ukraine after tonights game, dedication eh
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WSBaggie on September 06, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
I do like how everyone says England should play football in a particular style (usually Spain, Brazil, Germany etc)

There is no reason why England can't develop their own style which involves hard work and whatever is so drastically looked down upon nowadays.

The thing that doesn't help either is that when somebody makes an effort into attempting to better the national team it is taken as some sort of joke (winning it in 2022).

It's a mess really and needs some strong characters to push the national team forward.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 06, 2013, 02:30:30 PM
Do you think when JP said we are a mid table champ club he meant England?
There appears to be a feeling at the moment that less and less people care about the national team , I remember a few years ago when I would have to change shifts or do whatever to watch an England match , now even if im at home and its on I find myself either doing something else or watching another international match.
For me the next big nation is Belgium , absolute class from keeper to strikers , they are my tip for the next world cup.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 06, 2013, 02:41:43 PM
When England do well again people will care about them again. For all the excuses about people being sick of the players not caring (which is complete nonsense in the first place and completely misses the point of why England are unsuccessful) it's much like with clubs where attendances and interest fluctuates depending on success.

I find it hard to believe if England were lining up for a world cup semi final next July all these people claiming they couldn't care less would keep that attitude anyway.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 06, 2013, 03:04:16 PM
When England do well again people will care about them again. For all the excuses about people being sick of the players not caring (which is complete nonsense in the first place and completely misses the point of why England are unsuccessful) it's much like with clubs where attendances and interest fluctuates depending on success.

I find it hard to believe if England were lining up for a world cup semi final next July all these people claiming they couldn't care less would keep that attitude anyway.

Yeah the "England players don't show enough passion for the shirt" comments that people usually come out with is rubbish, always has been. I always watch the England games and I can't wait for the World Cup.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on September 06, 2013, 03:33:22 PM
How many good England performances have there been since the 5-1 in Germany 12 years ago?  Performances that we as England fans can be proud of.  Even the glorious failures have been replaced by pathetic exits with a whimper.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbasoprano on September 06, 2013, 03:36:04 PM
How many good England performances have there been since the 5-1 in Germany 12 years ago?  Performances that we as England fans can be proud of.  Even the glorious failures have been replaced by pathetic exits with a whimper.

Croatia away 4-1 about 2008 wasn't it? I dunno, I don't bother with England much, Albion keep me miserable enough  :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on September 06, 2013, 08:49:52 PM
oh dear! how poor is the Moldova keeper :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggie Boy on September 06, 2013, 08:57:44 PM
oh dear! how poor is the Moldova keeper :o

Can't catch for toffee.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BaggieJames114 on September 08, 2013, 01:07:58 PM
'England players dont care about playing for their country etc etc'

agree its complete nonsense, tell that to the players that ran themselves into the ground playing in Euro2012. We didnt set the world alight no, but those players gave everything they had to compete.

We were unlucky in the end on penalties, but you couldn't walk away from the tournament with anything but commendation for the application the players put in. Watch that Italy game and you can see an absolute masterclass from John Terry. Scott Parker was playing on one leg, we were VERY short on strength in depth with injuries to key players before the tournament.

We will go to the World Cup, absolutely no doubt and with a bit of luck and a fit squad we can compete.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on September 08, 2013, 01:11:39 PM
Its going to be a typical Roy dull game against the Ukraine.A point is a good result over there
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 08, 2013, 01:24:54 PM
Its going to be a typical Roy dull game against the Ukraine.A point is a good result over there

I think we'll beat them.  8)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 08, 2013, 01:45:34 PM
Its going to be a typical Roy dull game against the Ukraine.A point is a good result over there

England will take the lead early. Sit back and Ukraine will totally boss the game and Hodgson shall refuse to make any changes, allowing Ukraine to keep momentum when we're blowing out of our arses.

Ukraine will equalise in the last ten minutes, Hodgson will then make some changes when they have no time to effect the game, and we can be told how qualification is still in our destiny.

England fans then breathe a huge sigh of relief.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on September 09, 2013, 03:53:49 PM
I hear Ukranians have attacked innocent England supporters . Cowards >:(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on September 09, 2013, 04:07:08 PM
Kyle Walker sniffing Nitrous Oxide in public.Should never play for England again.What happend to its code of conduct
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tgd26 on September 09, 2013, 04:16:01 PM
Kyle Walker sniffing Nitrous Oxide in public.Should never play for England again.What happend to its code of conduct

Although it's not illegal he is very stupid getting involved in that - especially so publicly.

I don't think he should never play for England again but it highlights that fact that he may need to have the people around him keep a closer eye on him in future to avoid a repeat of this scenario.

Plus, it can't be very good for his lungs!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on September 09, 2013, 04:23:22 PM
apparently he didn't know what was in it, very naive and stupid if you ask me.With all the drugs testing in sports it could possibly of had some bearing.
Have you seen the recent code of conduct. Shown on Sky this morning.He will be lucky to survive. Some role model eh.
Is he that good anyway. He should be dropped for tomorrows game straight away
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2013, 05:28:40 PM
What overreactive Daily Mail nonsense. Yeah as a professional footballer, he probably shouldn't be indulging in it (although one hit is hardly going to damage his health that much). But then ideally footballers wouldn't drink either. But it was legal and you'll find it freely available at a lot of nightclubs. He's done nothing wrong.

It really is a complete non story. Man does something legal once that if done regularly can damage health. Might as well ask for anyone who's ever smoked a cigarette or drank alcohol to be dropped and banned by that logic.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on September 09, 2013, 06:25:12 PM
Its absolutely nothing at all, sold in a lot of clubs over here and everywhere abroad. Plus its inhaling it out of a balloon not sniffing it. Its sold as laughing gas, Im sure smoking and alcohol are a lot more damaging than that!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 09, 2013, 07:53:11 PM
Kyle Walker has absolutely nothing to apologise for in my opinion. What he has done is not illegal so what has he done wrong exactly? Are footballers not allowed to go out and enjoy themselves like other human beings do?

His club might not be happy that he's inhaling the stuff due to its reported side affects but ultimately its his choice. If the stuff is that bad then they should have made it illegal.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 09, 2013, 07:56:46 PM
apparently he didn't know what was in it, very naive and stupid if you ask me.With all the drugs testing in sports it could possibly of had some bearing.
Have you seen the recent code of conduct. Shown on Sky this morning.He will be lucky to survive. Some role model eh.
Is he that good anyway. He should be dropped for tomorrows game straight away

He's stupid if he genuinely didn't know what was in it as it could be something that has an adverse affect on his career, that much I agree with. When it comes to code of conduct and such if he's not allowed to go out and enjoy himself then there is something seriously wrong, lets remember he hasn't done anything illegal here.

It must have been a really slow news day for the press to even print this, I personally think its a non story and don't think he should be dropped for any games that is a total overreaction.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Smooth Lad on September 09, 2013, 08:02:47 PM
Didn't he inhale it? It was laughing gas. If so, they're all over the shop. They have proper sellers in the clubs over in Kavos where i was this year and they sell it to you in a balloon and you inhale it.

Make yous giggle for about 5 seconds and that's about it.

Those saying he should never play for England again, get a firm grip of yourselves. Drama queens.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on September 10, 2013, 08:08:01 AM
Idiot like anyone else that inhales any gas unless its prescribed.You only have to listen to the medical experts.
We see this all the time from Spanish and German footballers don't we not.Respect your position of authority.If you want to do it do it out of the public eye
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 10, 2013, 04:32:19 PM
I think we will nick it one nil tonight. It will be a tough game as Ukraine aren't a bad side and we have a few injuries. However I would be happy with a point. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2013, 04:36:46 PM
I am sorry but we will loose tonight but most likely qualify via the playoffs
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2013, 08:37:12 PM
Lol not much of a match thread for England, are you all in the pub. 0-0 and doing pretty well. Cahill playing a blinder
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2013, 08:38:36 PM
Most overrated England player ever?.You decide. Kenny Sansom for me.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on September 10, 2013, 09:39:11 PM
worked hard but very little else! good luck to anyone who wastes their money following them in Brazil.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kc56wba on September 10, 2013, 09:49:07 PM
Two wins away from Brazil.  :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2013, 09:52:17 PM
Changed my mind Ashley Young is the most overrated England player. Kyle Walker is no better than our own Billy Jones.A good point but no positives apart from the 2 central defenders really.A typical Roy performance.  We need you for Saturday Roy
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggie Boy on September 10, 2013, 10:23:40 PM
Changed my mind Ashley Young is the most overrated England player. Kyle Walker is no better than our own Billy Jones.A good point but no positives apart from the 2 central defenders really.A typical Roy performance.  We need you for Saturday Roy

What has annoyed me over the years is that Micah Richards has been overlooked. He in my opinion is Englands best right-back by a country mile.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 10, 2013, 10:31:09 PM
Roy Hodgson: " 'It was a very good quality game between two teams"

What game was he watching then?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbasoprano on September 10, 2013, 10:57:37 PM
What has annoyed me over the years is that Micah Richards has been overlooked. He in my opinion is Englands best right-back by a country mile.

Injuries and loss of form have held him back over the last few years. I agree he's a quality player when he's on form, much better defender than Walker or Johnson too.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: GrGr on September 11, 2013, 05:47:03 AM
Roy Hodgson: " 'It was a very good quality game between two teams"

What game was he watching then?

Old Roy likes super boring 0-0 draws :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2013, 06:23:07 AM
Ive seen better League 1 games than that lot served up last night.
Roys analysis is one of a diplomat not a football manager.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 11, 2013, 07:58:04 AM
Roy Hodgson: " 'It was a very good quality game between two teams"

What game was he watching then?

He's obviously been borrowing Steve Clarke's "watching Albion" glasses.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on September 11, 2013, 08:03:49 AM
He's obviously been borrowing Steve Clarke's "watching Albion" glasses.

If you have a loaded gun in your hand you don't point it at your own head  ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on September 11, 2013, 08:16:04 AM
If you have a loaded gun in your hand you don't point it at your own head  ;)

If you walk around waving a loaded gun for long enough, eventually somebody will shoot you with it. Or at least take it off you. ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: JDWest_Brom on September 11, 2013, 08:49:14 AM
Positives

Cahill

Mature performance with very important blocks/challenges. Looks like he is growing in to his role.

Wilshere

Always willing to try something and take his man on, shame most of them didn't come off, but on another day day they would have.

Result

We got the result we needed although the performance wasn't that great.

Negatives

Walker

Defensively he is a liability, constantly switches off and finds himself on the wrong side of the attacker.

Hart

Lackadaisical, he's crossed the line between being confident in his own abilities and over confident. He needs a rocket up his arse. Should have been a penalty in the first minute and called his own foul when he failed to check over both shoulders.

Passing

Failed to string more than a couple of passes together all night. Keep it simple stupid, stop trying for the long pass at the first opportunity.

Lambert

I think we've found his level, a bit like Crouch. Good against inferior opposition, works hard but found wanting against even mediocre opposition like Ukraine.


Lack of options

How has it come to this that for a World Cup Qualifier on the bench we have Defoe and Young, both clearly not match fit and 3 untried kids in Sterling, Townsend and Barkley?

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 11, 2013, 09:57:06 AM
Most overrated England player ever?.You decide. Kenny Sansom for me.
Ricketts
Bull  :D
Ashley young
Hart
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on September 11, 2013, 11:35:30 AM
Carlton Palmer  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: JDWest_Brom on September 11, 2013, 11:37:20 AM
He was never rated in the first place.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 11, 2013, 04:56:26 PM
Last night was a case of job done. I think we'll get at least 4 points from the two home games and qualify. If the worse happens and we don't, I'd like to see Ian Holloway replace Roy.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 11, 2013, 07:07:32 PM
Last night was a case of job done. I think we'll get at least 4 points from the two home games and qualify. If the worse happens and we don't, I'd like to see Ian Holloway replace Roy.


One extreme to the other but i like the idea.Mr Motivator
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2013, 09:34:23 AM
Its a pity Ben Foster aint fit.He could seriously push Joe Hart all the way
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on October 08, 2013, 01:59:00 PM
Two huge qualifiers coming up this week.


Really hope that we'll get the 2 wins needed to guarantee qualification but I'm not convinced.   I expect Ukraine to win both their games so if we drop points its the playoffs.


In terms of team news Ashley Cole is out so we have a decent replacement in Baines.


Would ideally like to see Sturridge and Rooney up front - see what they can do as a partnership.



Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 08, 2013, 02:59:01 PM
Beat Montenegro, draw to Poland.

Ukraine to beat both Poland and San Marino.

England therefore have to qualify via the play-offs.

If this was to happen I'll feel very sorry for Roy as he'll start to experience a very rough ride.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on October 11, 2013, 03:21:50 PM
Not got much hope starting to realize now what my old man was saying to me when i was growing up " we lack that winning mentality " etc, don't think a draw against Poland would be a bad result for us considering our current state, fancy us to get the win tonight but i dont think will go much further against better teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Wbamitch on October 11, 2013, 07:09:40 PM
My team tonight would be:

Hart

Walker
Cahill
Jagieka
Baines

Townsend
Gerrard
Lampard
Welbeck

Rooney

Sturridge.

Think we will tonight but have problems Tuesday. Can't believe we have left it this late, didn't even deserve to win in any of the games against Ukraine, Poland or Montenegro so far  :(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WSBaggie on October 12, 2013, 01:16:54 AM
My team tonight would be:

Hart

Walker
Cahill
Jagieka
Baines

Townsend
Gerrard
Lampard
Welbeck

Rooney

Sturridge.

Think we will tonight but have problems Tuesday. Can't believe we have left it this late, didn't even deserve to win in any of the games against Ukraine, Poland or Montenegro so far  :(

We leave it late practically every qualifying we go through. Tonight was comfortable and Tuesday will be no different.

As some have said what England lack is a winning mentality. There is plenty of quality available at the moment and hopefully a few more names can be added to this list come next summer. From now it's up to Roy to install the mentality.

He got it pretty right at the Euros considering some of the issues he had and the mediocre selection to pick from. Those ethics balanced with the addition of some attacking talent could serve us well next summer, a semi final would be nice.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Wbamitch on October 12, 2013, 10:07:29 PM
My team tonight would be:

Hart

Walker
Cahill
Jagieka
Baines

Townsend
Gerrard
Lampard
Welbeck

Rooney

Sturridge.



Glad Roy listened to me  :D 
Especially with the bold selection of Townsend, shown great promise and i'm glad he had the effect on the game I thought he could.
Would everybody go the same Tuesday??

I think the only question for me is possibly drop Lampard who looked a bit off the pace, Wilshere or even Barkley could bring that extra drive needed in the centre. Wilshere would probably be the wiser choice for this occasion but I could definitely understand if Hodgson stuck with his guns and kept Lampard in. Barkley has great potential and could definitely earn his place for the world cup, if we get there. I'd imagine he will stick with Townsend, hopefully.

Then finally the replacement for Walker. I would actually edge it for Smalling over Jones who most seem to be going for.
Probably the weakest position for me in terms of defensively, even with Walker and Johnson.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: 17GD on October 13, 2013, 12:21:16 AM
The game on Friday was a decent enough performance, played well and made some nice moves, but at times I felt they were trying to string too many passes together instead of being more direct.

I think we looked a lot more creative in general, than we have in a long time, plus we have some real pace in the squad now.

I think Tuesday will be a hard game, I don't think Poland will turn up and let us play football. I think we should just scrape through.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 13, 2013, 10:04:45 PM
I read today that a quarter of Wembley will be Poland fans on Tuesday night.  It was a decent enough performance on Friday night, Townsend played well. I was pleased to see Daniel Sturridge score. It would be a tough game against Poland as there not a bad side but I do think we will go through though

In Roy we trust.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 14, 2013, 12:28:42 PM
Glad Roy listened to me  :D 
Especially with the bold selection of Townsend, shown great promise and i'm glad he had the effect on the game I thought he could.
Would everybody go the same Tuesday??

I think the only question for me is possibly drop Lampard who looked a bit off the pace, Wilshere or even Barkley could bring that extra drive needed in the centre. Wilshere would probably be the wiser choice for this occasion but I could definitely understand if Hodgson stuck with his guns and kept Lampard in. Barkley has great potential and could definitely earn his place for the world cup, if we get there. I'd imagine he will stick with Townsend, hopefully.

Then finally the replacement for Walker. I would actually edge it for Smalling over Jones who most seem to be going for.
Probably the weakest position for me in terms of defensively, even with Walker and Johnson.
seriously on current form , you would of thought Billy Jones was at least in Roys thoughts?
I think Lampard will start , for 2 reasons
1) he wasn't very good on Friday , but rarely has 2 bad games (so he will deffo score)
2) I think Townsend was a brave move(which worked) but England managers don't like to be too bold, I think as they write out the team sheet they can see flashes of the front page abuse if they drop a Rooney, Gerrard, hart , lampard etc?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 14, 2013, 12:29:46 PM
I read today that a quarter of Wembley will be Poland fans on Tuesday night.  It was a decent enough performance on Friday night, Townsend played well. I was pleased to see Daniel Sturridge score. It would be a tough game against Poland as there not a bad side but I do think we will go through though

In Roy we trust.
Theres a joke in there somewhere

but ill leave it to UKIP :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on October 14, 2013, 01:55:10 PM
Roy's got a few decisions to make.

I would go for Jones at right back.  Can't say I'm a huge fan of Smalling.  I'm hoping Micah Richards will be fit for the WC because I still think hes our best right back.

I would also drop Lampard.   We shouldn't have picked Lampard and Gerrard together when they were more attacking and certainly shouldn't play them together now they are more defensive.  It's never worked.  With Rooney, Wellbeck, Sturridge and Townsend (who was superb and must start again) we have very attack minded players so I cant see Roy playing Wilshere.  Personally think he might go for Carrick who keeps the ball much better than Lampard and Wilshere.

Poland have some top players so this wont be an easy game.  Blaszczykowski is an excellent players and will be a real threat and Lewandowski is deadly.

Difficult one to call.  Wouldn't surprise me if it was a draw and we go into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
Wonderful goal. The best English player of his generation. One of the best ever. Take a bow. Steven Gerrard.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 15, 2013, 09:49:53 PM
Wonderful goal. The best English player of his generation. One of the best ever. Take a bow. Steven Gerrard.

Totally agree, drove the team forward, head & shoulders MOM.

Massive Well Done to Roy Hodgson (Ex of West Bromwich Albion)
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 15, 2013, 10:01:39 PM
Good performance. Liked the link up play of Rooney, Welbeck and Sturridge.

Job done. Well done Roy.
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Post by: kris_boing on October 15, 2013, 10:12:33 PM
Nervous night but I think it was a top performance.  Baines, Townsend, Gerrard and Rooney were superb.


Roy has really evolved in this qualifying campaign.  From a very conservative manager he has opened them up alot more.  Whether thats down to criticism from the media or other so called managers I dont know but he has found a spirit and way to win matches rather than not lose.


I'm still concerned about our defence with Jagielka and Cahill but with Jones and Smalling the only real options then we are struggling.   Right back needs to be sorted before the tournament.


I'm also not convinced with Sturridge.  He is frustrating and ultra selfish and far too one footed.  A goalscorer yes but his overall game tonight shows he cant lead the line for England.  I'd still prefer Wellbeck up front with someone like Oxlade out on the left.


Chuffed that we are off to Brazil.  Its going to be a special tournament and its great that we are a part of it.
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Post by: wbasoprano on October 15, 2013, 10:19:12 PM
Wonderful goal. The best English player of his generation. One of the best ever. Take a bow. Steven Gerrard.

All Poland's chances in the first half came from his awful corners. He's past it for me as a full 90 player, but he got his goal so fair play to him.

Berahino for Brazil!
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 15, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
When the opposition break from a corner it is hardly the fault of the corner taker... Moreover what have his corners got to do with his ability to play 90 mins, a bit of a strange comment considering nature of his goal in the 87th minute...
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Post by: wbasoprano on October 15, 2013, 10:30:31 PM
If the corner is awful then it is 100% the fault of the corner taker.

I'll make a gap as the full stop didn't have the desired effect on my last post.

I question him being a full 90 player as he doesn't have the energy to play box to box like he once did, yet I give him credit for his goal. Unfortunately there are very few quality players coming through at the moment, so we have to keep picking people like Lampard and Gerrard, great players in the past but after a full season will they have the fitness in a hot Brazil?
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Post by: John Rest on October 15, 2013, 11:15:51 PM
Quality performance, especially the first half.

Great result.

Roy seems to have taken the hand break off. :o
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Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 16, 2013, 07:01:43 AM
Strangely find myself agreeing with Jacko  :o  ;D, Gerrard was immense, his drive & desire were very noticeable in the last two games, he's still got that hunger & the younger players will benefit from his attitude.

Roy's getting the best out of the players & there's a good competition for places now, with players like Walker, Chamberlain, Walcott, Cole, Barkley, FOSTER, Richards etc etc.... still to come in, I think the future looks bright.

The one area England haven't got lots of options is up front & whilst not wanting to put any added pressure on the lad & if he was to continue his current form, would Uncle Roy consider Saido? Managers in the past have looked for a surprise package to take to the World Cup so you never know.   
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Post by: Wbamitch on October 16, 2013, 05:41:42 PM
How we will fare at the World cup will save for another day, lets just talk about last nights performance.

We actually played quite well and were decent to watch, especially first half. The past two games have definitely being a lot more enjoyable than what we have been used to and I do believe that we have a good chance of continuing in the same vain and we can actually look forward to watching England again. There is more to come I think........  :-X

The star performers last night were Rooney and Townsend for me.
Rooney has really stepped up to the plate recently and I think its just the sheer pressure on him in in particular that has effected him in the past, whereas last night in particular he really looked like the experienced head and brought the team up a level in my eyes. I would say he is the only World class player of present in the squad in terms that they could easily fit into the elite clubs of world football right now. Gerrard has gone down a couple of levels and is not quite what he was but still crucial. Townsend just carried on from Friday and arguably looked even more dangerous.

Sturridge disappointed me a lot in both games, suppose we say it about a lot but he didn't look as half as much as a threat and on the ball as he does for Liverpool. Even when he didn't have it he just looked really laboured and there were a few times where the runs for the striker he is for Liverpool were right there and he just held his position. The poster above mentioned Berahino which I am delighte he got the goals for the U21's but it amazes me Defoe just doesn't get the chances. I still think Sturridge can come good but  Defoe just seems to make up the numbers. I've always wanted Rooney and Defoe partnership but I doubt he will get a good enough chance which is a shame for him really, possibly his lack of Premier football at Spurs his costing him  :-\

Gerrard seems to be getting a lot of praise, I don't think he was that good. On several occasions he gave the ball away with a poor first touch and a sloppy pass, a few times to the big dangerman Lewandowski as well. As for the corner which led to the counter attack, I will defend him as if you look at it I think one of the two centre backs for us (not sure which one) was very close to getting a powerful header on it, its the fact we left plenty of open space on our right that we struggled with that one. As I have said, he wasn't at his best but I still think he warrants that place in the team as his goal typifies what he is all about and what he can bring. Strangely, Gerrard does look more suited for England at the moment, than Lampard. Whilst for club, Lampard looks to have the edge.

So his place his almost nailed on, its just finding the partner. Wilshere can hopefully have a good season and recover from a bit of a niggling start after showing real class last year, he would probably be my choice as long as he can re discover around the level he is capable of. Carrick did quite well last night but I am much more excited to see how Barkely does this season, he perhaps could sneak in just like Townsend. Been excellent so far this season, potential to form a great partnership with Rooney as well I reckon.

Defensively, its still a bit hmmm.........
Left back is great, we have the attacking threat of Baines and I would still say the better more balanced option of Cole. Baines has probably done enough to hang on to the spot for now but I saw enough to say Cole is still the better player.
Jag and Cahill are looking great for club and Cahill has come on leaps and bounds individually for club and country in my eyes. The partnership still looks suspect and there doesn't look to be that much challengers..... perhaps Dawson.

Right back, everyone gets excited over Walker and Johnson attacking wise but defensively they are probably the weakest link we have which is not ideal considering their position. Like a few others Micah Richards Is my favourite, just needs to recover from his injury problems and get some game time Would be great for him to force his way into the squad at least after the trouble he has had which has really dented his progression.

Plus we have all the players that Don't ask me to choose luv has mentioned to come back, so overall I'm feeling a bit more positive with what we have and the potential depth we could have for a squad.

Lets not talk about the World Cup yet, im looking at the friendlies in November to see a few more of the lads given a chance.
Germany will be a great test and occasion for them all.

Delighted things are looking up for Roy, after my doubts he really got the team to produce in the pivotal final games.  ;D 
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Post by: Wbamitch on October 16, 2013, 05:45:09 PM
Just a quick note on the Under 21's.

Ravel Morrison looks promising but his attitude is bugging me already and I've only seen him a couple of times.

And well done Saido  :)  Again  :D
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Post by: wbasoprano on October 16, 2013, 07:54:21 PM
Just a quick note on the Under 21's.

Ravel Morrison looks promising but his attitude is bugging me already and I've only seen him a couple of times.

And well done Saido  :)  Again  :D

Didn't Morrison have a bust up with Zaha? I haven't seen any if the u-21 game other than Berahino's first, but I heard that happened?
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Post by: 17GD on October 16, 2013, 08:25:49 PM
What a fantastic match! I thought we played really well. Looked a little shaky in defense at times, but I'm sure Roy will sort it out. Really looking forward to the World Cup now!

Who would be in your squad? I was going to start another thread, but figured it would probably be best in here?

GK - Hart, Foster, Ruddy

Def - Walker, Jones, Cahill, Jagielka, M Richards, Lescott, Cole, Baines

Mid - Townsend, Gerrard, Lampard, Wilshere, Carrick, Barkley, Milner

Str - Rooney, Sturridge, Lambert, Walcott, Welbeck.
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Post by: Aixelsyd on October 16, 2013, 09:09:44 PM
Didn't Morrison have a bust up with Zaha? I haven't seen any if the u-21 game other than Berahino's first, but I heard that happened?

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/early-doors/morrison-clashes-zaha-u21-duty-103405999.html
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Post by: zippyandbungle on October 16, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
Good performance. Liked the link up play of Rooney, Welbeck and Sturridge.

Job done. Well done Roy.
Thought wellbeck and sturridge seem quite awkward when they are on together?
At half time I would have put an extra midfielder on and Defoe , and took both off, but Roy knows best  :D
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 16, 2013, 10:00:20 PM
Thought wellbeck and sturridge seem quite awkward when they are on together?
At half time I would have put an extra midfielder on and Defoe , and took both off, but Roy knows best  :D

I thought there was plenty of promising signs and a few moments which were awkward but given time, I think all three can establish an effective partnership together - after-all, they're pretty much our future.
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Post by: WBASPE77 on October 17, 2013, 08:47:33 AM
I was pretty pleased with our two performances and glad we are going to the World Cup. Andros Townsned impressed me the most he runs at defenders and beats them, also scored a great goal too. That was a great call by Roy Hodgson to put him in the team for two big games. I'm still not convinced by Welbeck and Sturridge yet but I think the more that the front free will play together the more dangerous and effective they will become.

In Roy we trust
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 07, 2013, 01:09:52 PM
Goalkeepers
Fraser Forster, Joe Hart, John Ruddy

Defenders
Leighton Baines, Gary Cahill, Ashley Cole, Kieran Gibbs, Phil Jagielka, Glen Johnson, Phil Jones, Chris Smalling, Kyle Walker

Midfielders
Ross Barkley, Michael Carrick, Tom Cleverley, Steven Gerrard, Jordan Henderson, Adam Lallana, Frank Lampard, James Milner, Andros Townsend, Jack Wilshere

Forwards
Jermain Defoe, Rickie Lambert, Jay Rodriguez, Wayne Rooney, Daniel Sturridge, Daniel Welbeck

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/england/News/2013/england-squad-v-chile-wembley.aspx#h2LTcG5ELrm1Xbr4.99

Very happy to see Adam Lallana included. He's always impressed me whenever I've seen him feature. Very good on the ball.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Wbamitch on November 15, 2013, 05:29:11 PM
My team for the game tonight:

Forster

Johnson
Smalling
Cahill
Baines

Henderson
Lampard
Lallana

Sturridge
Defoe
Rodriguez

For Germany:
Hart

Walker
Cahill
Jagielka
Baines

Gerrard
Barkley
Townsend

Sturridge
Rooney
Welbeck
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on November 15, 2013, 08:31:22 PM
Phil Jones has quite a feminine look about him
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Post by: Jack Russell on November 15, 2013, 09:56:35 PM
What a load of rubbish England
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Post by: AlbionBest on November 15, 2013, 10:57:33 PM
What a load of rubbish England


Not many positives I agree with the defence pretty poor against quality opposition - Johnson and Baines pathetic as defenders tonight.
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Post by: Wbamitch on November 15, 2013, 11:44:20 PM
I didnt watch much of it, was in and out the house. I still kept thinking that Cole is a better option but i thought give Baines a chance to prove himself in the two games, in terms of defensively. Especially while he has that momentum wave. Dissapointed to hear he was a weak link, heard from Lampard post match that Lallana did well, any other positives individually??
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Post by: Brummie Road on November 16, 2013, 05:42:51 PM
I think in fairness to Hodgson, it was an ideal opportunity to experiment with formations and personnel, and the same applies on Tuesday, with a view to then concentrating on the likely squad and using any remaining matches and training sessions to focus totally on how we're going to approach the World Cup.

So I guess there was an inevitability that it wouldn't be much of a spectacle, which is obviously a shame for those who paid for tickets, but as with all friendly matches, most accept that their real purpose is for experimentation, at least at International level.

The timing of Ben Foster's injury isn't ideal as I'm sure, if fit, he'd have started last night, but obviously Roy is more than aware of what a great keeper Foster is so hopefully he'll be in the squad for Brazil, if not the number 1 keeper.

Like all those who support England, expectations for the Brazil World Cup are fairly limited, and it's hard to see past the likes of Brazil. Argentina, Spain and Germany but, as always, we live in hope?!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on November 20, 2013, 01:08:53 PM
Hart once again showed why, in terms of shot stopping, he is England's Number 1, but in terms of decision making, he very much isn't.

Ashley Cole was caught out of position a fair amount I thought, and didn't have any desire to track back. Usually relied on Gerrard bailing him out.

Townsend did well, but he needs to add another dimension to his game. We have pacey wingers, such as Walcott. I realise he's a left-footed right winger, which is something different, but if teams are going to double up on him, like Germany did, he needs to start exploiting that for the team's benefit. Cracking shot that hit the post, mind.

Cleverly didn't impress me either, other than a lovely reverse pass for either Sturridge or Townsend.

Thought Lallana didn't get to see much of the ball, neither did Rooney.

Germany seemed to hold us at arms length for most of the match. We seemed to have a lot of possession but whenever we got close to threatening, they closed the door on us.
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Post by: gerry m on November 20, 2013, 02:41:51 PM
The egos have landed! With a mighty thud. Wont waste my time watching this sorry shower in Brazil.
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Post by: Hull Baggie on November 20, 2013, 03:15:12 PM
The fact that Weidenfeller didn't have to make a save says a lot.  Townsend was unlucky to hit the post but otherwise it was pretty poor. Germany looked good though even though it was an experimental side that they put out.
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Post by: tommcneill on November 20, 2013, 07:20:40 PM
I said last night before the game, lose this and we will win the world cup...

ill refer back to this post whether I was right or wrong after the WC2014
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Post by: nick_wba on December 04, 2013, 12:18:47 PM
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Post by: Jack Russell on December 05, 2013, 09:44:27 AM
Any of you folks going to Brazil?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on January 16, 2014, 04:06:08 PM
Peru, Honduras and Ecuador will be Englands world cup warm up games
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2014, 01:53:13 PM
Foster to start against Denmark?
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Post by: kris_boing on March 04, 2014, 02:35:20 PM
Hope so.  I'd like to see Shaw, Sterling, Henderson and Barkley given a start.


God forbid we actually pick in-form players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggie53 on March 05, 2014, 09:16:57 PM
I am watching England v Denmark and am on the point of turning the TV over. It's soooo boring and that f@@@ing brass band is driving me round the bend !!!!!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 05, 2014, 09:47:27 PM
England are S**T !!! No way will we get out of our world cup group. Look clueless, no shape, rubbish at the back, and midfield as weak as p!$$ !!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 05, 2014, 10:08:58 PM
People have ridiculous expectations, win 1-0 against the team 20th in the world, 57% possession, should have won comfortably but for some great goalkeeping, and you get a load of people crying and throwing their toys out the pram because of a friendly win! You'd think England had lost to San Marino based on the post above.

Not sure what people expect to happen, unless England play free flowing football beating Spain 8-0 you'll get this constant moaning. Group rivals Uruguay drew to Austria tonight, other group rivals Italy actually drew to Denmark back in October, Argentina drew to Romania....
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 06, 2014, 08:10:20 AM
Summed up well by the Denmark coach.  'Good luck at the World Cup.  You're going to need it'.

Decent result and performance against a poor Danish team with no real quality players on show.

We might squeeze a draw out of Italy who can be slow starters but we'll get torn apart by Uruguay.  Looking at how our defence has performed for the best part of two years now we will struggle to contain Cavani and Suarez.

It'll go down to the Costa Rica match IMO whether we progress.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2014, 09:14:07 AM
There were loads of positives last night and i enjoyed watching it. Any team playing with 11 defenders its always going to be a struggle to break down.If we had scored early it would have been 4
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Post by: tommcneill on March 06, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
Thought Kaspar Schmeicel was excellent in goal.

Plus points for me was the emergence of Lallana, always thought he would come good after watching him score against us as a 17yr old lad. real balance and quality.

Luke Shaw looked good and Glen Johnson played well today
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Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 06, 2014, 10:53:38 AM
Summed up well by the Denmark coach.  'Good luck at the World Cup.  You're going to need it'.

Decent result and performance against a poor Danish team with no real quality players on show.

We might squeeze a draw out of Italy who can be slow starters but we'll get torn apart by Uruguay.  Looking at how our defence has performed for the best part of two years now we will struggle to contain Cavani and Suarez.

It'll go down to the Costa Rica match IMO whether we progress.

Got enough defenders in our squad who've played against Suarez and can stop him, and if you think we can't score against Uruguay I have two words for you - Diego Lugano.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2014, 11:16:52 AM
Thought Kaspar Schmeicel was excellent in goal.

Plus points for me was the emergence of Lallana, always thought he would come good after watching him score against us as a 17yr old lad. real balance and quality.

Luke Shaw looked good and Glen Johnson played well today


Not his biggest fan but for me on the night probably his best performance for England to date.

Luke Shaw, what energy and Lallana was brilliant when he came on. We do have some useful youngsters coming through. You never know thay might peak in Brazil
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Post by: tommcneill on March 06, 2014, 11:45:26 AM

Not his biggest fan but for me on the night probably his best performance for England to date.

Luke Shaw, what energy and Lallana was brilliant when he came on. We do have some useful youngsters coming through. You never know thay might peak in Brazil

Im not either but he was pretty good I thought.

That one touch into his stride from Rooney's long range pass was top class, shame the cross got blocked but you could see in his face that he should have done better with the cross...

Im beginning to like Johnson, I think he is much better than Kyle Walker at RB but Walker has huge pace even compared to Johnson who isn't a slouch
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on March 06, 2014, 12:04:16 PM
Like the ITV panel said what was the point playing Joe Hart in a meaningless friendly
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Post by: zippyandbungle on March 06, 2014, 10:29:18 PM
Like the ITV panel said what was the point playing Joe Hart in a meaningless friendly
Well
After all the missed/falsely given pens
Clarke
Sockgate
Anelkas quenelle
Mcdonagh
Morrison

Then ex baggies manager plays baggies keeper who gets injured and is out for season?
I'm glad he didn't .
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 07, 2014, 08:56:33 AM
Roy and the England keeper coach know all there is to know about Foster having previously worked with him. If anything I'm more surprised they didn't give Ruddy at least 45-minutes.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 08, 2014, 11:56:07 AM
Glad we won the other night, didn't bother to watch the game, and by the sounds of it it was pretty dull anyway. I have some optimism that we will do quite well at this years World cup watching us in the Euros we were certainly organized playing against some decent teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on April 21, 2014, 09:07:19 AM
We have a few decent youngsters coming through, Stirling etc .We might do better in the world cup finals than we expect
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Post by: lewisant on April 21, 2014, 09:37:13 AM
We have a few decent youngsters coming through, Stirling etc .We might do better in the world cup finals than we expect

I think we need to play as many Liverpool players as possible, they'll all be flying and high on confidence after winning the title ( I'm sure they will! ). Johnson, Henderson, Gerrard, Sterling, Sturridge. Infact on that subject, what would be everybody's World Cup 11?

Foster
Johnson
Cahill
Jagielka
Baines

Henderson
Gerrard

Sterling
Rooney
The Ox

Sturridge

There's some big players missing out there; Cole, Wilshere, Lallana, Lampard, Townsend, Barkley, Carrick, Welbeck, Defoe, Lambert, Rodirigiez, Hart
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on April 21, 2014, 09:53:39 AM
I agree about the Liverpool players but I'd go a stage further and pick the same diamond formation that they play and test it out in one of the friendlies.


                         Hart


Johnson.     Cahill      jagielka.   Baines


                     Gerrard


      Henderson.          Wilshire/Barkley


                     Sterling


        Rooney.            Sturridge
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Post by: lewisant on April 21, 2014, 09:59:12 AM
I agree about the Liverpool players but I'd go a stage further and pick the same diamond formation that they play and test it out in one of the friendlies.


                         Hart


Johnson.     Cahill      jagielka.   Baines


                     Gerrard


      Henderson.          Wilshire/Barkley


                     Sterling


        Rooney.            Sturridge

Yep I like that! Perhaps it's a bit adventurous for our Roy!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on April 21, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
Yep I like that! Perhaps it's a bit adventurous for our Roy!


Not a chance in hell Roy would go for it. For a start they are all on form and most are playing in a system they are comfortable with.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggie Boy on April 21, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
Hart

Richards
Cahill
Caulker
Cole

Walcott
Gerrard
Wilshere
Oxlade-Chamberlain

Sturridge
Rooney

This is the team I would go for if everyone is fit, Walcott could be replaced by Lennon or Townsend maybe? Knowing old Roy though Milner will play and run around a lot without doing anything.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on April 29, 2014, 05:14:06 PM
(Apologies if there's another thread for this - looked at the first two pages of this sub-board and didn't see anything)

So as we near the end of the season, it makes sense to look ahead to the summer. Who makes it on your plane to Brazil this summer? Who is in your 1st XI?

Sky have a selector on their site, found here (http://www1.skysports.com/FIFA-World-Cup-2014/england/squad-selector)

So here's mine (* denotes 1st team):

Hart*
Foster
Forster

Baines *
Cahill *
Johnson
Jones *
Smalling
Stones
Shaw
Walker *

Barkley *
Gerrard *
Henderson
Lallana *
Oxlade-Chamberlain *
Sterling
Townshend (Not sure about this pick)
Wilshere *

Lambert
Rooney
Sturridge *
Welbeck
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Post by: Atomic on April 29, 2014, 08:10:25 PM
B Foster
J Hart
J Ruddy

L Shaw
L Baines
G Johnson
J Flanaghan
G Cahill
P Jagielka
M Dawson
P Jones

S Gerard
M Carrick
A Johnson
J Henderson
A Lallana
A Oxlade-Chamberlain
J Wilshere
R Sterling

W Rooney
D Sturridge
A Carroll
D Welbeck




                                                        Hart


               Johnson           Jagielka                 Cahill                  Baines


                                       Gerard                  Henderson


              Stirling                               Rooney                            Lallana


                                                       Sturridge
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: JDWest_Brom on April 30, 2014, 11:11:24 AM
Goalkeepers: Hart, Foster, Forster
Defenders: Johnson, Baines, Cole, Cahill, Jagielka, Smalling, Jones
Midfielders: Carrick, Gerrard, Wilshere, Barkley, Henderson
Wingers: Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sterling, Milner
Forwards: Sturridge, Rooney, Wellbeck, Lambert

Stand By:
Goalkeeper: Ruddy
Defenders: Walker/Flanagan, Shaw, Caulker
Midfielders: Lampard, Cleverley
Wingers:  Young, Johnson
Forwards: Defoe, Carroll

Players like Stones, Flanagan and Zaha won't be taken unless there are injuries I feel.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on April 30, 2014, 09:30:16 PM
JD, is that the squad you think will go or the squad you want to go?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggies_24 on May 01, 2014, 02:16:25 AM
I genuinely think Roy will start with Milner on the left especially if Baines starts, we all know how Roy loves his wingers tracking back and having an attack minded fullback he'l have nightmares about putting someone like Oxlade Camberlain infront of Baines.

I think the starting 11 maybe

Hart

Johnson
Cahill
Jagielka
Baines

Stirling
Gerrard
Oxlade Chamberlain
Milner

Rooney
Sturridge
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: JDWest_Brom on May 01, 2014, 08:49:46 AM
JD, is that the squad you think will go or the squad you want to go?

It's the squad I think will go. Townsend is out of the World Cup now, so I've replaced him with Milner. Walker is a serious doubt so I think Flanagan will be on the stand by list.

To be fair, there isn't much leeway with the amount of players we have to choose from. That's all we've got.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on May 01, 2014, 10:07:06 AM
Goalkeepers: Hart, Foster, Forster
Defenders: Johnson, Baines, Cole, Cahill, Jagielka, Smalling, Jones
Midfielders: Carrick, Gerrard, Wilshere, Barkley, Henderson
Wingers: Lallana, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sterling, Milner
Forwards: Sturridge, Rooney, Wellbeck, Lambert

Stand By:
Goalkeeper: Ruddy
Defenders: Walker/Flanagan, Shaw, Caulker
Midfielders: Lampard, Cleverley
Wingers:  Young, Johnson
Forwards: Defoe, Carroll

Players like Stones, Flanagan and Zaha won't be taken unless there are injuries I feel.

I would take Shaw, swap Carroll for Lambert
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on May 01, 2014, 01:43:31 PM
Hadn't heard about Townshend. He was a bit of a wildcard, having not really played under Sherwood.

No idea who would replace him in my squad. Lennon has been hot and cold, R Morrison has done ok at QPR in a team that is under-performing. A Johnson has done decently this season.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on May 01, 2014, 01:58:23 PM
I reckon Roy will name this squad:


Hart, Foster, Ruddy


Johnson, Jones, Cahill, Jagielka, Smalling, Baines, Cole


Gerrard, Lampard, Milner, Carrick, Wilshere, Sterling, Henderson, Lallana,  Oxlade-Chamberlain


Rooney, Welbeck, Sturridge, Lambert


Standby: Forster, Caulker, Shaw, Cleverley, Barkley, Carroll, Defoe.


Personally I would swap Cole for Shaw, Carrick for Barkley and Forster for Ruddy to give the younger lads the experience of a WC.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 06, 2014, 11:50:50 AM
Do you think England will make the knockout rounds
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on May 06, 2014, 11:57:32 AM
I think we are more than capable of reaching the knockout rounds personally. But ive learnt not too expect much from the national team
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 06, 2014, 10:00:10 PM
Do you think England will make the knockout rounds
No I dont. Lose against the eyeties, draw against the nobodies and lose to the south americans..............game over.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 07, 2014, 08:16:40 AM
It looks like Phil Jones may miss the World Cup. I think we will just scrape through the group stages, hopefully we can have a pretty decent tie in the last sixteen but as I think we will come second it looks like we will play one of the big teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on May 07, 2014, 08:48:09 AM
Jones has had a poor year but was a shoe in for the squad because of his versatility. Smalling can cover right back as well though so Roy could go for an old head in Lescott or go for John Stones.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 07, 2014, 09:07:34 AM
Is he really all that, Him and Smalling are not good enough beacuse they play for Utd and all that, there are better out there but they choose only to keep picking footballers because of who they play for
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 07, 2014, 11:53:11 AM
I think Jones and Smalling are both mid table side players, neither good enough for sides wanting to be in the shake up for titles and the Champs League and not world class international players. Both still have time on their side so could improve with age but not sure either will to the levels needed.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 08, 2014, 09:17:30 AM
When does Roys contract come to an End?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 08, 2014, 10:35:21 AM
I think United have been unsure about where to play Phil Jones this season. Chris Smalling does have a lot of potential but I feel that he has been relativity average too this season.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on May 10, 2014, 10:40:31 AM
B Foster
J Hart
J Ruddy

L Shaw
L Baines
G Johnson
J Flanaghan
G Cahill
P Jagielka
M Dawson
P Jones

S Gerard
M Carrick
A Johnson
J Henderson
A Lallana
A Oxlade-Chamberlain
J Wilshere
R Sterling

W Rooney
D Sturridge
A Carroll
D Welbeck




                                                        Hart


               Johnson           Jagielka                 Cahill                  Baines


                                       Gerard                  Henderson


              Stirling                               Rooney                            Lallana


                                                       Sturridge

I dont think you are far off there fella.

Personally I would take Andy Carroll as he will cause defences all sorts of problems.

I would also swap Flanagan for Ashley Cole

I would also have done everything to have gotten Terry in too but that wont happen
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on May 10, 2014, 10:42:24 AM
Andy Johnson would also be a good like for like swap with Andros Townsend who I think its a shame for this season after a stunning first 6 months of it
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on May 11, 2014, 09:57:56 PM
Rumours going around that Ashley Cole has already been told by Roy that he isn't in the WC squad.


Bold move by Roy that.   For me its a good one.  Hopefully Shaw will go.  Baines is 1st choice but being in and around the WC squad will be invaluable for Shaw.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on May 11, 2014, 10:01:05 PM
Barkley also reportedly in and Carrick out so very much gone for youth by the sounds of things.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 12, 2014, 08:14:47 AM
Ashley Cole has retired from international football, he has been told by Roy he wasn't going to the World Cup. Luke Shaw is on the plane then.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on May 12, 2014, 02:20:24 PM
Official England squad:

Goalkeepers: Joe Hart (Manchester City), Ben Foster (West Bromwich Albion), Fraser Forster (Celtic).

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Glen Johnson (Liverpool), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Luke Shaw (Southampton), Chris Smalling (Manchester United).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Steven Gerrard (Liverpool), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Southampton), Frank Lampard (Chelsea), James Milner (Manchester City), Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain (Arsenal), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Attackers: Rickie Lambert (Southampton), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Manchester United).

Standby: John Ruddy (Norwich City), Jon Flanagan (Liverpool), John Stones (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Tom Cleverley (Manchester United), Andy Carroll (West Ham United), Jermain Defoe (Toronto FC).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggies on May 12, 2014, 09:59:15 PM
It's a great squad. A group of players without the hang ups from previous tournaments and a base to build on for the future. They won't win the world cup this year, but I have renewed confidence that they will get out of the groups.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggies97 on May 12, 2014, 11:05:44 PM
First Albion player since Jeff Astle to get into an England World Cup squad, hopefully he won't play though, as that'll most likely mean Hart making a dreadful mistake (which seems to happen to lots of England keepers in the last few years)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 13, 2014, 08:17:58 AM
I'm really happy with the squad that Roy has picked. We have a good blend of experience and youth and I think that the in form players throughout the season have been picked which is great. Although I dont think that we are going to win the World cup this year, this squad does give me confidence for the future as the likes of Sterling, Barkley etc do have a lot of potential.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on May 13, 2014, 08:58:12 AM
Very happy with the squad.  Roy has given youth a chance but I hope he goes a stage further and actually plays them.  No good just taking them along for the experience.  The only real experience they will benefit from is if they actually play.


We are not going to win this World Cup but with these young players we have a good chance of doing well in France 2016.


Play these lads together and let them evolve as a team and get used to each others games. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2014, 12:38:34 PM
Love how Hodgson went all Mike Bassett when asked if we could win the world cup.

"Of course I think we can win the world cup; what's the point in taking a squad of players there if you don't think you can win. But these are just empty words...." [Paraphrased]
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on May 13, 2014, 03:23:51 PM
International tournaments is NOT the place to gain experience though, you should be getting that in qualifiers. Madness to qualify with one set of players and then take a completely different set of players to the actual tournament itself !!Not saying he shouldnt have picked those players, but he should have picked players who at least have some international experience at that level and not be "blooding" them actually during the tournament.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on May 30, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
England v Peru tonight. Possibly the same starting 11 for the Italy world cup game
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on May 30, 2014, 08:49:21 PM
Cracking goal by Sturridge.

Left top corner from edge of box
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 06:24:20 PM
England 1 Ecuador 2
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 07:34:08 PM
Nice Albion flag there behind one of its supporters
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 04, 2014, 08:14:13 PM
Ha ha ha ha, how frapping typical, first chance, back o the net !!! We look OK going forward but are proper s*** at the back.........and so it begins, but at least it wont last long !!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 08:31:27 PM
England playing well, front look threatening
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 04, 2014, 09:00:54 PM
Thankfully that is an experimental back four! Milner is not a wing back and is basically being taken to the cleaners. Like the look of Ross Barkley. England should now go on and win this.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 04, 2014, 09:08:52 PM
I see this game as merely a run out for most of the lads.  Only Rooney, Wilshere and Oxlade Chamberlain and possibly Milner in midfield have a chance of starting a game during this World Cup.

It is worrying because our first choice defence imo is poor but this 2nd choice back 4 is appalling.

I like Barkley and Ox though.  Real talent going forward.  With Sterling also we look well equipped going forward.

We might just have to will all games 4-3  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 04, 2014, 09:15:37 PM
Great to see Oxlade-Chamberlain and Barkley running with the ball, been impressed by those two so far. They certainly give us a different option, I expect to see Sterling on soon to try and do the same.

Less said about the back four tonight the better I think.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 04, 2014, 09:19:46 PM
Can't fault Chamberlain or Lambert. Never much cared for Rooney as far as his England performances are concerned but ok tonight. My problem is he used to be compared to Gazza and I just think p1$$ off!!!!!

On a plus point love seeing Hoddle commentating and therefore not being interviewed by us.

On the subject of telly and sorry a bit off topic - tonight saw interview with the sculptor for the Three Degrees statue; didn't realise he is the same geezer who did the Laurel & Hardy in Ulverston, Eric Morecambe in Morecambe and the Les Dawson statue round the corner from me!! (who is hte businessman behind this cracking scheme by the way - and why is it not coming from The Hawthorns itself)
Excellent, these guys made me really really proud to be a Baggie. Best telly I've seen in ages. Brill, real heroes for lots of reasons.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 04, 2014, 09:21:03 PM

Less said about the back four tonight the better I think.

Hopefully none of them will be needed in the WC.  To be fair they have no protection with Lampard and Wilshere in midfield.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 04, 2014, 09:21:27 PM
... and the back four couldn't even play for US!!!!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 09:29:02 PM
Milner is pants
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 04, 2014, 09:30:55 PM
Milner is pants

He's been diabolical tonight
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 09:32:05 PM
He's been diabolical tonight


I know he is out of position but how many times has he given the ball away
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on June 04, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
Jones and Smalling have always been crap. Don't know how they survived at Man United. Milner to be fair isn't a right back.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 04, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
Milner is nailed on to play against Italy.  Our Roy loves him. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbako on June 04, 2014, 09:38:25 PM
These Ecuadorians are the type of players we should be looking at; cheap wages/ fees usually. I believe we were after Montero last summer and I can see why - a real tricky winger.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 09:59:06 PM
Not a bad game, encouraging workout from some.Italy only drew against Luxembourg tonight
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 04, 2014, 10:07:27 PM
Milner is nailed on to play against Italy.  Our Roy loves him.

Thats because he works hard. Very poor for me tonight though, simply not good enough. On a different note how stupid  was Valencia!. Yes it was a hard tackle by Sterling but he got the ball.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 10:16:00 PM
That was bordering on Assault from Valencia
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 04, 2014, 10:40:11 PM
Poor challenge from Sterling but I'm not so sure it was a red card, just a very clumsy challenge and the reaction from Valencia was ridiculous for a player of his experience.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 04, 2014, 10:49:46 PM
How do we think Fosters game went.No chance with both goals really.Not helped by his defence
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 04, 2014, 10:51:15 PM
How do we think Fosters game went.No chance with both goals really.Not helped by his defence

I felt for Ben. He really did have no chance; the back four were worse than ours all season!!!!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 04, 2014, 11:11:39 PM
Foster had no chance with either goal and didn't have much more to do but he did rush out a couple of times needlessly.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on June 05, 2014, 06:31:02 AM
WTF was Roy thinking of playing Milner at right back, Ive seen cheese turn faster than him, and some of those balls he was playing infield to the centre backs were suicidal.
Always reminds me of Waddle, with his slopey shoulders, but without the ability to beat a man.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 05, 2014, 07:59:49 AM
WTF was Roy thinking of playing Milner at right back, Ive seen cheese turn faster than him, and some of those balls he was playing infield to the centre backs were suicidal.
Always reminds me of Waddle, with his slopey shoulders, but without the ability to beat a man.

Yeah I hope that little experiment by Roy has revealed that he should be nowhere near the starting line up let alone the defence! It'll have to be Jones or Smalling as back up RB
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WSBaggie on June 05, 2014, 08:47:41 AM
Yeah I hope that little experiment by Roy has revealed that he should be nowhere near the starting line up let alone the defence! It'll have to be Jones or Smalling as back up RB

I think it was more a test of if we are 1-0 up with 20 mins to go and Johnson comes off injured do we put the catastrophic looking Jones or Smalling on at right back or do we put Milner on there because he is 'trustworthy'.

Myself I would rather finish the game with with ten men.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 05, 2014, 09:23:00 AM
Foster didnt rush out needlessly, he rushed out to try to intercept a through ball and /or close a player down who was one on one with him due to a non-existant defence. He was hung out to dry by the pee poor defence and absent midfield cover.
I dont get the Wilshere love-in either, he was crap last night, constantly gave the ball away unless it was the simplest of passes, constantly caught in possession and looked as though tomorrow would do.
All I can say is that the team we play in the next warm up which is supposedly the one that will (probably ) be the one we start with against the Italians had better NOT include most of that team that played last night..........and I include Rooney in that. Oxlade Chamberlain being the only one who showed anything, and he's now crocked.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jack Russell on June 05, 2014, 09:25:10 AM
Foster must have thought Reid and Ridgewell had come back to haunt him
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 05, 2014, 10:04:02 AM
Foster didnt rush out needlessly, he rushed out to try to intercept a through ball and /or close a player down who was one on one with him due to a non-existant defence. He was hung out to dry by the pee poor defence and absent midfield cover.
I dont get the Wilshere love-in either, he was crap last night, constantly gave the ball away unless it was the simplest of passes, constantly caught in possession and looked as though tomorrow would do.
All I can say is that the team we play in the next warm up which is supposedly the one that will (probably ) be the one we start with against the Italians had better NOT include most of that team that played last night..........and I include Rooney in that. Oxlade Chamberlain being the only one who showed anything, and he's now crocked.

Every time Wilshere was touched he went down expecting a free kick. Overated and injury prone. Would like to see Barkley get a start.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 24, 2014, 01:50:16 PM
Land back in Blighty wednesday afternoon with their tails between their legs
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 24, 2014, 05:34:19 PM
Land back in Blighty wednesday afternoon with their tails between their legs
and out the backdoor of Heathrow like so many of their predecessors
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dexy on June 24, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
It may sound a bit old fashioned but i can't help but feel England have lacked a true ball winner / nasty sod in the middle , De Jong of Holland is a good example...not the most technical but covers and protects .
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 24, 2014, 08:20:08 PM
It may sound a bit old fashioned but i can't help but feel England have lacked a true ball winner / nasty sod in the middle , De Jong of Holland is a good example...not the most technical but covers and protects .
Those days are long gone, any nasty sod wouldn't last 5 minutes and be a liability if sent off. We are not good enough technically. Oh, and Jack Wilshere is the future, god help us. Caught in possession time and again, gave the ball away and couldn't beat anyone. As for our so-called attacking options, we scored 2 poxy goals in 3 matches. Nah, simple answer is we just are not good enough and never will be while money rules the premier league and foreign owners buy foreigners for instant success rather than being forced by the FA to use English players. Then we might see some change, especially with the top teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dexy on June 24, 2014, 08:23:47 PM
Those days are long gone, any nasty sod wouldn't last 5 minutes and be a liability if sent off. We are not good enough technically. Oh, and Jack Wilshere is the future, god help us. Caught in possession time and again, gave the ball away and couldn't beat anyone. As for our so-called attacking options, we scored 2 poxy goals in 3 matches. Nah, simple answer is we just are not good enough and never will be while money rules the premier league and foreign owners buy foreigners for instant success rather than being forced by the FA to use English players. Then we might see some change, especially with the top teams.
That's just my point , we aren't technical enough so maybe need to revert to a ball winner.
Plenty of teams through or on the verge of the last 16 with a ball winner or two , look around.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on June 24, 2014, 08:26:24 PM
That's just my point , we aren't technical enough so maybe need to revert to a ball winner.
Plenty of teams through or on the verge of the last 16 with a ball winner or two , look around.


We need someone to sit in front of the back four but we don't need some De Jong character. We need to work on technique and ball retention. In the end, when it comes to the crunch that's what will matter.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 24, 2014, 08:32:48 PM
Those days are long gone, any nasty sod wouldn't last 5 minutes and be a liability if sent off.

Segio Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Javier Mascherano, Danielle De Rossi, Thiago Motta, Nigel De Jong, Fernandinho, Luis Gustavo are just small examples of nasty sods who are doing quite well in the modern game.

You can be a nasty sod as much as you like in football - at the end of the day you have to be disciplined and that's the real test.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 24, 2014, 08:33:17 PM

We need someone to sit in front of the back four but we don't need some De Jong character. We need to work on technique and ball retention. In the end, when it comes to the crunch that's what will matter.
Exactly, the days of kicking people and getting away with it are long gone. No top team has a clogger. We are not good enough and its our technique and passing and shooting that needs improving, not our ability to kick people.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on June 24, 2014, 08:36:13 PM
Segio Busquets, Xabi Alonso, Javier Mascherano, Danielle De Rossi, Thiago Motta, Nigel De Jong, Fernandinho, Luis Gustavo are just small examples of nasty sods who are doing quite well in the modern game.

You can be a nasty sod as much as you like in football -


I'd call De Jong nasty but none of the others. Busquets goes down when you blow at him. Some of the others Mascherano, De Rossi, Fernandino,  are competitive but I wouldn't call them nasty. De Jong on the other hand I would call nasty, sometimes he deliberately tries to hurt someone.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 24, 2014, 08:39:19 PM
I'd call De Jong nasty but none of the others. Busquets goes down when you blow at him. Some of the others Mascherano, De Rossi, Fernandino,  are competitive but I wouldn't call them nasty. De Jong on the other hand I would call nasty, sometimes he deliberately tries to hurt someone.

I do tend to agree - I think I used the wrong word - they're not nasty, they're combative.

Add in their fabulous talents with the ball and you have quite a player.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dexy on June 24, 2014, 08:52:16 PM
Exactly, the days of kicking people and getting away with it are long gone. No top team has a clogger. We are not good enough and its our technique and passing and shooting that needs improving, not our ability to kick people.
Missing the point , nobody said clogger ...more of a shield type player , lord knows that back 4 need more protection. All about balance , if we are more comfortable defending as a unit our attacking movement may well get better . De Jong may have been a bad example , look at the players Liam listed ....they know how to sit and block and let others do the attacking. It's not fully the answer to England's problems granted but we simply don't have any midfielder to do that role.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on June 24, 2014, 08:55:57 PM
Missing the point , nobody said clogger ...more of a shield type player , lord knows that back 4 need more protection. All about balance , if we are more comfortable defending as a unit our attacking movement may well get better . De Jong may have been a bad example , look at the players Liam listed ....they know how to sit and block and let others do the attacking. It's not fully the answer to England's problems granted but we simply don't have any midfielder to do that role.


I do agree we are lacking someone to play that role. I also think we are lacking a top quality striker. No-one seems to be hammering Sturridge after today's match if it had been Rooney missing those chances he'd have been pelted all round.

Where have all the English strikers gone? We used to have Shearer, Lineker, Owen, Fowler, Wright. Anyone of those at the moment and we PROBABLY would've gone through the group stage.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dexy on June 24, 2014, 09:03:23 PM
Strikers are a good point , it will be interesting to see how Sturridge gets on in this years Champs League with Liverpool.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 24, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
Parallels with another team,
lacking a consistent striker,
lots of similar midfielders,
 no long term options at centre half, and
options at full backs are kids or coverage with centrehalves.

Name that team .......
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 24, 2014, 11:12:16 PM
Strikers are a good point , it will be interesting to see how Sturridge gets on in this years Champs League with Liverpool.

He won't do a great deal unless he has Suarez to create chances for him.

Speaking of Liverpool, if they are thinking of paying 30 million pound for Adam Lallana then they need their heads examining.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 25, 2014, 09:47:46 AM
think that Lallana deal could fall through now that Suarez is virtually worthless !
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 25, 2014, 10:29:17 AM
England =shambles.First time since 1958 not to get out of a group stage.Roy Hodgson should leave and the job should go to someone like Gary Neville
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 25, 2014, 12:25:11 PM
England =shambles.First time since 1958 not to get out of a group stage.Roy Hodgson should leave and the job should go to someone like Gary Neville

What has Gary Neville done to be given such a big job? He was arguably part of the problem being on the current coaching staff.

You can change manager after every tournament but it wont change the fact our players just aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 25, 2014, 12:39:51 PM
Changing the manager won't make a difference, look at the last two tournaments before Roy was in charge. One we didn't qualify for and the other we were awful. This year we come against Italy who got to the Euro 2012 final and full of experience compared to some of our players who are playing in their first international tournament and a Uruguay side who got to a semi final of a World Cup in 2010 and won the Copa America. We deserved at least a draw against Italy and Uruguay should have had a player sent off but they had two shots on target and score both while we missed key chances early on from Rooney to go in the lead. We also should have beat Costa Rica but again weren't clinical enough. Football is fine margins and you ultimately get judged on results but I think we did well in an extremely tough group.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 02, 2014, 11:44:28 AM
Passionless and non commital to name but a few.My England days are over
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on July 02, 2014, 12:03:09 PM
I really don't know what the answer is with England.  You looked at the US last night and they fought for the shirt.  There is no fight and belief from our players.  They are going through the motions.


I fear the kind of performance in Brazil will continue for years to come until we become chuffed to bits to just qualify for a tournament like Republic of Ireland and Scotland.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: GrGr on July 02, 2014, 12:22:03 PM
I really don't know what the answer is with England.  You looked at the US last night and they fought for the shirt.  There is no fight and belief from our players.  They are going through the motions.


I fear the kind of performance in Brazil will continue for years to come until we become chuffed to bits to just qualify for a tournament like Republic of Ireland and Scotland.

Something's gone very wrong with British (English) football. The English players don't have the skill set to compete anymore. They used to try and make up for that with fighting spirit but that is also gone now. All they do is get bloated wages.

Time for a complete rethink of the coaching methods employed by the British coaches. It's partly for this reason I am ticked off with the employment of Irvine. He is a 55 year old coach and I doubt he will come up with something interesting that brings English/British football forward. If the PL clubs employ coaches that do not develop football of course the domestic football stagnates. It's all about the cheap Sky money rain now and the insiders making sure they get the biggest piece of the cake they can, nothing else matters.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on July 02, 2014, 12:57:41 PM
I think Arry summed it up well. Some players just don't want to play. Roy should have a heart to heart with each and every player and ask them straight up if they want to play for England. Don't mean the fancy tournaments but the away games to the Faroe Islands and Moldova etc. If they hum and arr then don't ever pick them again.

There are players in the Championship and League one that would spill blood to play for England so get them on the pitch!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 02, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
I think Arry summed it up well. Some players just don't want to play. Roy should have a heart to heart with each and every player and ask them straight up if they want to play for England. Don't mean the fancy tournaments but the away games to the Faroe Islands and Moldova etc. If they hum and arr then don't ever pick them again.

There are players in the Championship and League one that would spill blood to play for England so get them on the pitch!


Good point, spot on.
Wait till some of them half hearted world cup footballers come to the Hawthorns next season
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on July 02, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
I think the notion that some England players don't care or don't want to play for the shirt is complete and utter nonsense. Once again only in England would people look to shortcomings as a lack of passion.

It's important to remember while everybody is so impressed with the USA and these other teams that show all the fight that the teams that have made it through to the last eight are generally the big sides. If England kept getting as far as the USA did in this tournament it'd be seen as not good enough. Whilst the USA did show plenty of spirit, they do also have some good players lets not forget that and before we dismiss them as not that good ask yourselves how many English players are significantly better.

England's problems on the world stage are plain to see it simply comes down to lack of quality. In this World Cup we scored two goals and created quite a few chances we COULD have got through the group stage. We didn't because of a lack of quality in the final third.. The big teams have the Messi's, Hazard's, Muller's, Neymar's people like this. Our "number 10" is Wayne Rooney who a) despite his ability isn't as good as any of them and b) is constantly played out of position to "do a job for the team". Rooney is regarded as England's best player. If that is the case you play him where he is suited you do not negate your biggest strength. If you don't have a quality number ten you need a quality number 9. We have Daniel Sturridge who despite a good year for Liverpool last year, isn't a Benzema or a Van Persie or a Suarez. He needs two touches to control a ball and has a lack of match intelligence which is why he often makes wrong choices. Lets not forget when he was at Chelsea he couldn't get a game, that is because there are a lot of better strikers than him.

Looking through the rest of the team the midfield containing Gerrard / Henderson isn't technically good enough. Both are typical Premiership 100 mph players. Neither has a grade A first touch, neither can play a technical game. Gerrard at his best was a box to box high energy type player, great in the Premiership, a waste of time in international tournament football. Defensively Johnson and Jagielka aren't good enough by a fair distance.

When you put these things together you see why we fail. Add to these the likes of Welbeck who should never wear an England shirt. We lump the USA under "passion" yet most of their players are on a par with England's technically.

The problem is with English mentality and it still isn't changing enough. Commentators on TV keep constantly going on about pace. Pace, pace, pace. We have to get out of that mentality. 90% of players at this level have a good level of pace. We in England see pace as an answer - "he has the pace to run behind and cause problems" it's nonsense, pace like effort will get you so far it will not make you world champions. Last night the useless Danny Murphy was asked what he thought about the Belgium striker Irigi. His answer was typical "Well he's quick and he's strong". First thing he said. Nothing about his mental awareness or his touch or his game intelligence or his movement. That sort of mentality has to go in England it really does and then the passion mentality needs to follw suit. We in England forgive people for trying and would rather see someone run around for ninety minutes and be totally ineffective than appreciate one defence splitting pace by a player who just patrols the centre circle.

The education needs to start with kids then when they become professionals they need to play in Premiership teams not loaned out. The Premiership needs to change. To be fair it has, there is so much more quality now than there was fifteen / twenty years ago the trouble is most of the quality players are foreign. If we need to dilute the quality of the premiership for a while then so be it. We need to overload our top flight with ENGLISH players but that alone is not the answer it's only part of it. Unless we teach our kids the technical side of the game at a very early age so it becomes second nature to them we are never going to get any better.



Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on July 02, 2014, 03:09:44 PM
I think the notion that some England players don't care or don't want to play for the shirt is complete and utter nonsense. Once again only in England would people look to shortcomings as a lack of passion.

It's important to remember while everybody is so impressed with the USA and these other teams that show all the fight that the teams that have made it through to the last eight are generally the big sides. If England kept getting as far as the USA did in this tournament it'd be seen as not good enough. Whilst the USA did show plenty of spirit, they do also have some good players lets not forget that and before we dismiss them as not that good ask yourselves how many English players are significantly better.

England's problems on the world stage are plain to see it simply comes down to lack of quality. In this World Cup we scored two goals and created quite a few chances we COULD have got through the group stage. We didn't because of a lack of quality in the final third.. The big teams have the Messi's, Hazard's, Muller's, Neymar's people like this. Our "number 10" is Wayne Rooney who a) despite his ability isn't as good as any of them and b) is constantly played out of position to "do a job for the team". Rooney is regarded as England's best player. If that is the case you play him where he is suited you do not negate your biggest strength. If you don't have a quality number ten you need a quality number 9. We have Daniel Sturridge who despite a good year for Liverpool last year, isn't a Benzema or a Van Persie or a Suarez. He needs two touches to control a ball and has a lack of match intelligence which is why he often makes wrong choices. Lets not forget when he was at Chelsea he couldn't get a game, that is because there are a lot of better strikers than him.

Looking through the rest of the team the midfield containing Gerrard / Henderson isn't technically good enough. Both are typical Premiership 100 mph players. Neither has a grade A first touch, neither can play a technical game. Gerrard at his best was a box to box high energy type player, great in the Premiership, a waste of time in international tournament football. Defensively Johnson and Jagielka aren't good enough by a fair distance.

When you put these things together you see why we fail. Add to these the likes of Welbeck who should never wear an England shirt. We lump the USA under "passion" yet most of their players are on a par with England's technically.

The problem is with English mentality and it still isn't changing enough. Commentators on TV keep constantly going on about pace. Pace, pace, pace. We have to get out of that mentality. 90% of players at this level have a good level of pace. We in England see pace as an answer - "he has the pace to run behind and cause problems" it's nonsense, pace like effort will get you so far it will not make you world champions. Last night the useless Danny Murphy was asked what he thought about the Belgium striker Irigi. His answer was typical "Well he's quick and he's strong". First thing he said. Nothing about his mental awareness or his touch or his game intelligence or his movement. That sort of mentality has to go in England it really does and then the passion mentality needs to follw suit. We in England forgive people for trying and would rather see someone run around for ninety minutes and be totally ineffective than appreciate one defence splitting pace by a player who just patrols the centre circle.

The education needs to start with kids then when they become professionals they need to play in Premiership teams not loaned out. The Premiership needs to change. To be fair it has, there is so much more quality now than there was fifteen / twenty years ago the trouble is most of the quality players are foreign. If we need to dilute the quality of the premiership for a while then so be it. We need to overload our top flight with ENGLISH players but that alone is not the answer it's only part of it. Unless we teach our kids the technical side of the game at a very early age so it becomes second nature to them we are never going to get any better.

Outstanding post fella..

I agree with everything you have said there.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 02, 2014, 03:57:58 PM
The education needs to start with kids then when they become professionals they need to play in Premiership teams not loaned out. The Premiership needs to change. To be fair it has, there is so much more quality now than there was fifteen / twenty years ago the trouble is most of the quality players are foreign. If we need to dilute the quality of the premiership for a while then so be it. We need to overload our top flight with ENGLISH players but that alone is not the answer it's only part of it. Unless we teach our kids the technical side of the game at a very early age so it becomes second nature to them we are never going to get any better.

Why force Premiership clubs to serve the needs of international football, for the sake of one tournament every two years? I'm guessing a substantial majority in England are far more dedicated to their clubs.

Personally, I'd much prefer to see the end of international football and FIFA.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on July 02, 2014, 04:08:26 PM
Why force Premiership clubs to serve the needs of international football, for the sake of one tournament every two years? I'm guessing a substantial majority in England are far more dedicated to their clubs.

Personally, I'd much prefer to see the end of international football and FIFA.


That isn't going to happen.

Changing the Premiership doesn't have to be a negative it can be a positive as it produces better English players. Look at Germany and Spain there is nothing wrong with the Bundesliga or La Liga.

The Premiership as a world wide brand is excellent right now, however it is also uncompetitive and lesser clubs are serving the "elite" clubs taking loanees and having their better youths poached anyway.

It's the excitement and the furious nature of the Premiership together with the PR and marketting that sells as a brand not the quality of the footballers. You could argue Suarez and Aguero but generally the very best players in the world don't play in the Premiership - Messi, Ronaldo, Robben, Ribery, Muller, Benzema, Pirlo, Neymar.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 02, 2014, 04:26:50 PM
I probably should have highlighted the particular sentence I took issue with, which is this:
We need to overload our top flight with ENGLISH players

A rule that keeps foreign players out of the Premiership will not help English footballers improve.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on July 02, 2014, 04:33:06 PM
It is definitely a problem that not just English players, but all youth players at a lot of clubs have extremely little chance of breaking through at most squads - whilst clubs can go abroad and get an international with the money in the premier, that will always be a problem unless you bring in regulations.

Chelsea are a prime example, they buy the best youth players from around the world, yet not a single player has broke through in Abramovich, and only Bertrand has even been anything like an actual squad member. Why? Well when Chelsea can pay 25m and bring in a German international with 30 caps in the same position rather than promote an academy player, well they always well.

At best this stunts players development, at worst it destroys them and they never become the players they should have been.

I don't think anyone objects to good foreign players being signed, but there's clearly a lot of sub-par foreigners bought in too. If you made every 25 man squad so it had to be 13 England eligible players (or players who were once eligibl to allow for the likes of James Morrison who switch) for example, that allows clubs to bring in plenty of foreign players, whilst also meaning they rely on their academies for squad fillers rather than bring in crap from abroad. Unless you force clubs to use their academies, they generally won't, with few exceptions.



Part of the problem can also be seen in this thread - anyone who thinks its due to passion that England failed is so far off you can only hope they're nowhere near the coaching side of things. Whilst English people have this mentality that "passion" overrides all, youth coaching will go nowhere. The US play within a system built to within their needs, when England did that in Euro 2012 and took Italy to penalties everyone complained, when they tried to play a more technical approach, naturally they failed because other teams produce more technical players. Absolutely nothing to do with effort. England need to produce at grassroots level, but that'll never happen when skillful players are mistrusted and a love of "Passion" overrides all. In all likelihood this mentality of passion (which more often than not is shown through fouling people and running around a bit to most fans) will mean England never create the players they need to win anything. England don't lead the world in skillful players in any sport - probably a reflection of the demands of fans who demand passion and hard work and ignore skill and flair.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on July 02, 2014, 04:36:37 PM
I probably should have highlighted the particular sentence I took issue with, which is this:
A rule that keeps foreign players out of the Premiership will not help English footballers improve.


I'm not saying foreign players should be kept out of the Premiership I'm saying a higher (much higher) percentage should be English. That alone won't solve the problem, no, my earlier post covers the rest of it.

The only reason the English are becoming appathetic about international football is because we are no good at it, so people get fed up. The whole nation would erupt if England won a major tournament.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on July 02, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
It is definitely a problem that not just English players, but all youth players at a lot of clubs have extremely little chance of breaking through at most squads - whilst clubs can go abroad and get an international with the money in the premier, that will always be a problem unless you bring in regulations.

Chelsea are a prime example, they buy the best youth players from around the world, yet not a single player has broke through in Abramovich, and only Bertrand has even been anything like an actual squad member. Why? Well when Chelsea can pay 25m and bring in a German international with 30 caps in the same position rather than promote an academy player, well they always well.

At best this stunts players development, at worst it destroys them and they never become the players they should have been.

I don't think anyone objects to good foreign players being signed, but there's clearly a lot of sub-par foreigners bought in too. If you made every 25 man squad so it had to be 13 England eligible players (or players who were once eligibl to allow for the likes of James Morrison who switch) for example, that allows clubs to bring in plenty of foreign players, whilst also meaning they rely on their academies for squad fillers rather than bring in crap from abroad. Unless you force clubs to use their academies, they generally won't, with few exceptions.



Part of the problem can also be seen in this thread - anyone who thinks its due to passion that England failed is so far off you can only hope they're nowhere near the coaching side of things. Whilst English people have this mentality that "passion" overrides all, youth coaching will go nowhere. The US play within a system built to within their needs, when England did that in Euro 2012 and took Italy to penalties everyone complained, when they tried to play a more technical approach, naturally they failed because other teams produce more technical players. Absolutely nothing to do with effort.


Spot on.

Almost as good as my post.  ;D ;)





Only joking!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on July 02, 2014, 04:40:59 PM
I cant see how anyone would want to do away with International Football??

I certainly don't and im sure the players and the football community wouldn't either!!

However there needs to be a change, academy players at professional clubs should only be allowed to sign for the clubs they play for on pro terms in the first instance.

Secondly a limit on foreign players within the 1st team squad. 'x' amount of players within the 25 need to be eligible for England or British teams.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 02, 2014, 05:02:32 PM
It is definitely a problem that not just English players, but all youth players at a lot of clubs have extremely little chance of breaking through at most squads - whilst clubs can go abroad and get an international with the money in the premier, that will always be a problem unless you bring in regulations.

Chelsea are a prime example, they buy the best youth players from around the world, yet not a single player has broke through in Abramovich, and only Bertrand has even been anything like an actual squad member. Why? Well when Chelsea can pay 25m and bring in a German international with 30 caps in the same position rather than promote an academy player, well they always well.

At best this stunts players development, at worst it destroys them and they never become the players they should have been.

I don't think anyone objects to good foreign players being signed, but there's clearly a lot of sub-par foreigners bought in too. If you made every 25 man squad so it had to be 13 England eligible players (or players who were once eligibl to allow for the likes of James Morrison who switch) for example, that allows clubs to bring in plenty of foreign players, whilst also meaning they rely on their academies for squad fillers rather than bring in crap from abroad. Unless you force clubs to use their academies, they generally won't, with few exceptions.

We agree completely about the nature of the problem. I just don't think giving domestic players some free passes is the best way to correct it. To quote myself from another forum:


The foreigners who have ruined England are Roman Abramovich, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Malcolm Glazer, et al., who hoard young English talent, pay them ludicrous wages not to play first-team football, and watch their motivation and promise shrivel and die.
 
Playing in the best domestic league in the world against the best players can only help English players, and the best who can't get games in the Premier League would be better served by playing in top foreign leagues.



I cant see how anyone would want to do away with International Football??

I certainly don't and im sure the players and the football community wouldn't either!!

I do. I just said so. Don't be so sure that the players wouldn't prefer to be resting or on holiday rather than playing in all these pointless friendlies and qualification matches. Playing in a World Cup is fun, but most international games aren't the World Cup.

And the thought of crushing FIFA and eviscerating the FA's revenue, well that's got to be worth something.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on July 02, 2014, 05:07:19 PM
The Premier League isn't the best league in the world. It is the most entertaining but it isn't the best.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Quakes Fan on July 02, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
Now there are the inquests, the interrogation of supposed national failure. With tedious predictability, pundits and ex-professionals line up to kick their favourite target: the foreign footballer. Or more precisely, the number of foreigners playing in the Premier League, which they argue squeezes out decent young Englishmen. Former England captain Sol Campbell talked on Radio 4’s Today about English talents being crowded out, echoing concerns voiced earlier by England manager Roy Hodgson and his sidekick Gary Neville.

The fact that there are tentative signs of a flowering of youthful English talent, despite the painful defeat by Uruguay, seems to be ignored. Instead we will no doubt see Greg Dyke, chairman of the Football Association, intensify his efforts to limit the number of non-European Union stars signed by top clubs. “We know that we have a problem,” he declared on Friday.

He should know better: this is populist nonsense that defies economic or historic logic. It is one more dismal echo of the immigration debate infecting our nation, another expression of British jobs for British workers. But even now, approaching two centuries after the landmark Corn Laws debate, we still have people putting forward the self-defeating idea that a sector is strengthened by artificially protecting it from foreign rivals.

Few doubt the flow of 1,527 foreign players into the Premier League has improved top-flight football in Britain, making it arguably the most challenging and certainly the most entertaining among top European leagues. The majority have come from Europe – 169 from France alone – underlining the futility of trying to limit the number of foreign players unless the country pulls out of the EU. Mind you, I doubt Ukip would win many votes by campaigning against Brussels on the basis of sending Eden Hazard back home to Belgium.

We should be proud that 66 players entitled to represent England performed regularly last season in such a competitive environment as the Premier League. No wonder those young stars looked so sharp against Italy having managed to break through into this tough league. It is simply bizarre to believe that the likes of Raheem Sterling and Ross Barkley would be stronger internationals if banned from playing regularly with, and against, the likes of Luis Suarez.

The Italians, like the Germans, also have high percentages of foreign players in their top leagues although this does not seem to stop either of them doing well at international level. Yet Italy’s coach, Cesare Prandelli, has also complained that this influx is strangling the careers of young players. After their embarrassing flop in Brazil, perhaps Spain should demand more foreign players in La Liga to lift their national game?

Stefan Szymanski and Simon Kuper, who wrote a superb statistics-based book called Soccernomics, point out that the English team has done significantly better in major championships since the inception of the Premier League. This may not be much comfort for fans sitting glumly on their sofas as Suarez hit his second goal against England, but for supporters of my age it is impossible to forget  those bleak times when England failed to qualify for the finals. This implies that, despite ceaseless setbacks, foreign competition has had a positive effect on our finest players.

The authors argue that a bigger problem is the failure of parochial English players to travel abroad, which would expose them to alternative styles of football distinct from those high-tempo games that make the Premier League so electrifying. Look how many players in teams such as Brazil and Uruguay play in foreign countries, after all. “It’s not inconceivable England could win a World Cup with no English players playing in England,” said Szymanski.

There are many other issues. Anyone who has witnessed youth football in this country knows that too many coaches have a depressing fixation on size and strength over skill, alongside a determination to win at all costs rather than encourage the best talent. The boring long-ball game remains entrenched; indeed, Dyke’s own organisation is guilty of still promoting people with antediluvian attitudes at junior levels. As the astute Arsene Wenger says, the core problem is poor youth coaching producing players lacking basic skills.

The Premier League is the most potent instrument of soft power our nation possesses. Instead of seeking to diminish it after defeats by two better teams with higher world rankings than England, the people in charge and the professionals who earned so much money from its success should tackle obvious shortcomings that have long dogged the game. Instead, like so many other parts of society, they blame the foreigners.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/world-cup-2014-foreign-players-are-not-to-blame-for-englands-early-exit-9554151.html
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on July 02, 2014, 05:50:21 PM
The article misses the point somewhat and seems to imply that its all xenophobic. It completely ignores the fact that the pathways to the first teams of most premier league teams are blocked.

It mentions Germany and Italy as having lots of foreign players, yet both nations have far more higher of their own playing in their leagues too, and at younger ages. The clubs in those countries rely on their academies, something that doesn't happen at many clubs in the UK. Likewise it blames English players for not going abroad, and yet by and large Germany and Italian's do not tend to go abroad much either.

Likewise to claim England have done better in tournaments since the inception of the premier league is ridiculously misleading. The expansion of the Euro's from 8 to 16 in '96, and the world cup from 24 to 32 in '98 largely explains why England have "Improved".

Of course England needs to improve at grass roots level, but you can hardly blame just that when most premier league clubs academies recruit from around the world, whilst if clubs were genuinely forced to rely on their academy you can guarantee the much needed improvements at grassroots would swiftly follow. As it is getting a good academy player is a nice bonus rather than a necessity like it is for most of Europe.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 02, 2014, 08:35:56 PM
I think the notion that some England players don't care or don't want to play for the shirt is complete and utter nonsense. Once again only in England would people look to shortcomings as a lack of passion.

I think the passion argument is certainly a reason for some of the disillusionment that people have with the national side - regardless of the fact the players aren't good enough and the approach to coaching and academies in this country is fundamentally wrong.

It is becoming increasingly tiresome and boring to constantly see English players withdrawing from international squads only to miraculously play for their club side a couple of days letter. Their constant withdrawal from the side, whether they have an injury or not, is largely the main reason why England fans nowadays believe this England side carries no passion.

It is almost treated as a hindrance.

People look back on eras which had flamboyance and gave every ounce of sweat they had for their country - people remember the tears of Paul Gascoigne a man who combined great ability with 100% effort every time he graced the field. They remember the likes of Tony Adams belting out a national anthem. They remember Terry Butcher representing his country with a head bangage as blood was pissing out of his head. Folk had a team they could relate too.

And now look at today's bunch - a group that seemingly cannot wait to pull out of a squad, show no emotion whatsoever when representing England and as soon as they embarrass the nation within a day or two they're swanning around on their holidays.

And then you have the current bunch of under 21s, or at least ones who have just graduated into the first team. Whilst the likes of Spain give under 21s experience in the seniors they are expected to compete in tournament groups for their ages. Our players for some reason do not do that. It is almost as if they believe the u21s are beneath them now they have tasted the senior experience. And yet again, that is another area where we go wrong in this country.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ChrisLobels on July 16, 2014, 04:59:37 PM
What overreactive Daily Mail nonsense. Yeah as a professional footballer, he probably shouldn't be indulging in it (although one hit is hardly going to damage his health that much). But then ideally footballers wouldn't drink either. But it was legal and you'll find it freely available at a lot of nightclubs. He's done nothing wrong.

It really is a complete non story. Man does something legal once that if done regularly can damage health. Might as well ask for anyone who's ever smoked ecigs (http://www.ecigfiend.com) or drank alcohol to be dropped and banned by that logic.

I can say pub culture has been the biggest reason behind fall of english football..Must be banned for players..
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 17, 2014, 10:18:38 AM
I find it amazing we have had no word from anybody associated with the England national team since the arrived back on home soil
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on July 17, 2014, 12:03:53 PM
It was one big FA jolly up really.


I notice we have dropped in the FIFA rankings to 20th now.  I think its a fair reflection.  Look at the teams above us.  I wouldn't fancy us to beat any of them.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: swad35 on July 17, 2014, 03:01:11 PM
It was one big FA jolly up really.


I notice we have dropped in the FIFA rankings to 20th now.  I think its a fair reflection.  Look at the teams above us.  I wouldn't fancy us to beat any of them.

Would be interesting to see the financial investment rankings, easily top ten maybe even top 5 and for what.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on July 17, 2014, 03:10:31 PM
I can say pub culture has been the biggest reason behind fall of english football..Must be banned for players..

True! They couldnt wait to go on holiday and straight on the lash!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on July 17, 2014, 03:15:25 PM
Would be interesting to see the financial investment rankings, easily top ten maybe even top 5 and for what.


Roy was 2nd in the wages list behind our ex. coach Capello.  £4mil a year for our Roy?  What value for money that is eh?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on July 17, 2014, 03:20:10 PM
We had the hardest group in the tournament and that's reflected by the three other nations being in the top 20.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on July 17, 2014, 03:22:42 PM
We had the hardest group in the tournament and that's reflected by the three other nations being in the top 20.
please don't make excuses for them.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 17, 2014, 04:01:07 PM
Fundamentally our problem is having a group of players that don't know what to do with the ball, a few experienced old faces who aren't good enough and a media who care more about what position some moany ugly bellend might play, picking apart every decision ever made by anyone involved with the national side.

We have pundits who can't see what the issue is and everyone at home with a different opinion.

My four year plan for World Cup 2018:

- No more media intrusion. If someone's not playing, they don't play. It's not an event that requires a 40 page pullout interviewing ex England players from multiple eras to pick apart. That also goes for post event suggestions that X,Y,Z should have been playing.

- Stop picking players who are on form for their clubs and changing the team after every sodding game. Luke Shaw, Ross Barkley, the next young gun to be called up may have a good season or half season, but that's because they play and train with the same guys week in week out, and as we know form is temporary. Bringing someone in for two friendlies because they've played ok for a few months during the season isn't going to replicate that continuity in the national team. Yes refresh the team with new players but how about you do it with players from the U21s who know each other (if you're using that team right you'll get graduates that are ready for the senior team who have played together for years.)

- Get a national footballing identity and teach it at every level. Don't replicate Tika Taka bs, we can't play that. Being confortable on the ball and having a good vision of the game worked for Germany alongside hard work. We don't have to look fancy, just be effective in possession. Every single English pundit at the WC said we lack pace. No, no we dont. Pace doesn't win games. It makes hoofball easier to play yes but there's no point being able to run 100m in 10 seconds flat if you can't then pick out a pass or identify someone in a better position. Before my ban I made a point that during Brazil vs Germany there was nothing flashy about the game bar Schurrles goal - just passing to a man in a better  position with the vision to score as a team. Watch the highlights - all 7 of those goals, if given to an England team to replicate would have passed the bal three times less and someone would have lashed the ball over or wide with three men in better positions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 17, 2014, 04:26:58 PM
All the failures got rid of their head coaches but we our worst world cup in 50 years decide to plod on with what we have got.Typical suits at the FA aint got no balls
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBArgo on July 17, 2014, 04:46:33 PM
I think the issue lies with academy kids and lack of protection. Look at Izzy Brown, a great prospect, poached away at a net loss. Why the hell as a club would you then invest in a grade A academy with zero protection? Until some sort of percentage sell on clause is attached to all academy kids, academies up and down the country will be more of a novelty than a front runner for all football clubs. That is how you develop players, it's not to do with foreigners or passion.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggie Boy on July 17, 2014, 05:59:38 PM
Cracking post! Especially the third point about an identity, England always had an identity of being solid at the back with a traditional English system in front of it and it worked! So why change it?

Brazil are renowned for their flamboyant style, Spain renowned for its tiki taka, Germany for it work rate. Italy are renowned for its methodical passing and unbreakable defence, Uruguay for its cheating and biters!

In all seriousness why cant England reinforce our traditional philosophy rather than trying to play all continental, play to our strengths and we may see a change.

Other points or reforms to the set-up:

- Scrap these Friday/Sunday/Monday games. Players systems are messed up, games should be restricted to a Saturday and midweek for Europe. Obviously traditional exceptions for Boxing Day etc remain. This way it should hopefully reduce player burnout who for the most part of the season is playing 2-3 games in 5 days.

- WBArgo makes a sound point in developing protection for academies, in addition to this encourage more clubs to set them up. Restrict the number of foreign nationals allowed in a starting XI, scrap this proposed new league which will serve to do nothing less than the youth leagues already developed. In order to make the youth leagues a better experience for young players, lower the prices and get clubs encouraging local youngsters to attend, it builds relationships between young fans and their club too, as well as helping young players.

- Allow players to flourish with individuality, talent is being coached out of players by coaches telling players to do things a certain way. By all means install a system of play like mentioned at the start but allow players to develop with individuality, should give the National manager more of a choice for selection when it comes to fruition.

- Stop giving caps out like confetti, Alf Ramsey in the run-up to 1966 built a squad and stuck with it, I suggest Hodgson does the same. What good does giving out 1 or 2 caps to 20-30 players do if none of them get a further opportunity. Additionally pick players based on their quality AND form, not just form, when  it comes to the stage that players like Glen Johnson, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling are picked for the squad over Micah Richards and our very own Joleon Lescott then something is severely wrong.

- Stop the media giving us extra hype, links into Psalm's post. A typical example is the penalty shootout, yes we all know the pressure but for an England player the pressure is ten times worse because before each match all we get is this tirade of 'England never win at penalties etc'. The media expect too much and slate the national team, why not give them support for once like the press of Germany do with the German team?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on July 17, 2014, 08:29:07 PM
All the failures got rid of their head coaches but we our worst world cup in 50 years decide to plod on with what we have got.Typical suits at the FA aint got no balls

Fortunately the FA are aware that English football’s problems run far deeper than just sacking the manager.

Hodgson is the Head Coach, not a miracle worker.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 17, 2014, 09:12:10 PM
We had the hardest group in the tournament and that's reflected by the three other nations being in the top 20.

Please do not make excuses for them.

Italy were hardly the invincible of previous eras were they? Infact, if you saw any of their games you would have noticed that they looked incredibly poor as they showed in both of their games against Costa Rica and Uruguay - furthemore, they were hardly brilliant against us either but we somehow conjoured up some idiotic ways of losing a football match.

Costa Rica were widely regarding as the whipping boys of group and look how they performed - it is quite amazing what a bit of desire, bravery, organisation and determination can do. Qualites we were lacking.

For us to finish bottom of the group having played so poorly throughout all three matches and yet Roy Hodgson can still keep his job is laughable to be quite honest.

But, there's always four years time!

And then they can embarrass the nation again.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 17, 2014, 09:33:32 PM
I think the issue lies with academy kids and lack of protection. Look at Izzy Brown, a great prospect, poached away at a net loss. Why the hell as a club would you then invest in a grade A academy with zero protection? Until some sort of percentage sell on clause is attached to all academy kids, academies up and down the country will be more of a novelty than a front runner for all football clubs. That is how you develop players, it's not to do with foreigners or passion.

You make a good point about acadamies but for me personally there are a number of more pertinent issues that go unaddressed.

This nation has a problem in producing coaches - especially modernised coaches who are more up to date with how football should be played. i.e. fast paced, possession, pressing etc. In terms of coaching the stats make quite humilating reading and I'm sure the cost of taking the coaching courses does people no favours whatsoever who would like to get into football but are turned away by the price. In England there are only around 3,000 coaches who hold Uefa A/B & pro licenses in comparison to Spain and Italy who have figures above 20,000 and Germany who put all them to shame with over 33,000 registered coaches at Uefa's highest levels. The frighteneing statistic I saw was that we have one Uefa registed coach for every 852 players whereas Spain have one registered coach for every 17 players.

Our grass roots pitches are hardly desirable either if they're not covered with cans of lager or packets of crisps. There are very little footballing facilities around and throughout coaching sessions I've seen there is a certain nepotism throughout those games. i.e. the manager playing his son and his nephews etc at the expense of others and then there is the urge for winning which is always a good thing but for me at those levels winning should be of secondary importance with the ability to master the ball and pass the ball being the primary importance - on much smaller pitches. You could then place forward the argument about whether young players have studied the game enough - learning a varying range of tactics and what is expected from a different system. All of which you would hope will help youngsters build a footballing brain. St Georges' Park serves as nothing more than an FA vanity project in my opinion - what about the rest of the country?

This EPPP is also the biggest load of nonsense I've heard in a long while which is nothing that a self serving project for the bigger clubs to sweep up the best talent in those younger age categories. Those bigger clubs will target and poach the more technical footballers (and then ruin them) meaning the lower league clubs have to pick from the rest of the pool which is hardly inspiring and certainly based on physical attribute rather than technical. The EPPP project has also seen clubs in the lower leagues withdraw their acadamies because the costs do not match up and it is pointless for them if any good youngster can be poached away for peanuts.

And then you have the Premier League - the organisation who in my opinion run football in this country. You're going to get nowhere in improving youngsters in this country unless the FA can fathom the balls to put measures in place which focus on development of younger footballers. Unfortunately, the power medallion has swung the wrong way and I'm sure the FA are more than happy to have their slice of the money juggernaut the Premier League brings meaning acadamies are yet again pushed on the back burner.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on July 21, 2014, 03:14:44 PM
Gerrard retires.

Next scenario - Rooney given captaincy.

YAWN
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on July 21, 2014, 03:37:55 PM
Surely the last of England's so called 'Golden Generation'. Not a difficult decision as he is now past his best.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on July 21, 2014, 03:41:53 PM
Always knew he would retire. Not unexpected.

Poor World Cup for him personally too.

Interesting to see who gets it next
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on July 21, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
Great player but never really transferred his club form for his country for a number of reasons.

He looked way past his best in Brazil so its a good decision.  It will no doubt extend his career by a few years.

I think he is genuinely concerned about his place in the Liverpool team now.  His legs have gone which was a huge part of his game. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on July 21, 2014, 03:51:57 PM
Great player but never really transferred his club form for his country for a number of reasons.

He looked way past his best in Brazil so its a good decision.  It will no doubt extend his career by a few years.

I think he is genuinely concerned about his place in the Liverpool team now.  His legs have gone which was a huge part of his game.

Love that phrase in football, always have!

Now I imagine Gerrard like this....

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/67869000/jpg/_67869075_wheel.jpg)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 21, 2014, 05:00:38 PM
Always expected that from Gerrard he was poor throughout the World Cup and I cant remember him having that many great games for England. I hope England pick the likes of Stones and Flanagan for the Euro Qualifiers coming up soon.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 21, 2014, 08:25:52 PM
Always knew he would retire. Not unexpected.

Poor World Cup for him personally too.

Interesting to see who gets it next
It's gotta be Joe Hart. He's head and shoulders above the rest.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2014, 08:06:48 AM
Fans voting with their feet tonight then.Half full stadium
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on September 03, 2014, 08:45:45 AM
The problem in this country is that all football fans are seduced by the flamboyant and charismatic overseas players that play in the Prem every week.
Lokk how many of the top teams have English players in them, we all know that thas is why the English game suffers and will do for years until we allow some of the home grown talent to flourish.
At the moment we do not have a world class player in the England Team.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 03, 2014, 10:30:46 AM
Looking at the forward players we have tonight in Rooney, Sturridge, Ox and Sterling im happy with the potential that has for a few years

I think we lack a little quality at the back.

Be happy when I see Luke Shaw fit and playing

Looking forward to seeing Jones and Cahill play together

Good luck to Jon Stones too...there is a position up for grabs their.

Im hoping Micah Richards gets his mojo back with Fiorentina as think he could force his way back into the squad
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 03, 2014, 01:01:25 PM
Looking forward to the game tonight, In Roy we trust.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 03, 2014, 09:56:10 PM
1-0 win. Typical England friendly really, played some decent stuff at times.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 03, 2014, 10:02:20 PM
Another boring international performance.

If offered the opportunity I'd get rid of international football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Foster#1 on September 03, 2014, 10:03:10 PM
Another boring international performance.

If offered the opportunity I'd get rid of international football.

Good job we'll never be given the opportunity.

Decent performance but very boring.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 03, 2014, 10:03:38 PM
Played some half decent stuff but it's really not entertaining too watch at times.

Was falling asleep during match
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2014, 09:13:58 AM
England similar to the Albion.Scared to loose football
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on September 04, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
On paper its a decent team, full of potential but plenty of European experience.  Most of these players play for the top 5 or 6 teams in the country.


For me the 4-4-2 formation is so dated.   I can't recall many (if any) Premier League sides using it these days and also national teams at the World Cup.  The players are not suited to it.  We need to find a formation that suits the players and stick to it.  The same formation should be used right down to each youth age group.



Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 04, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
Need to build a dynamic team around Raheem Sterling. Get on it Roy!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on September 04, 2014, 11:27:50 AM
Think we do need to build a team around Sterling and Sturridge.

Our best 2 players over the last season or so. Think Barkley would replace Wilshere for me once hes fully fit and on form.

Think the move to Arsenal may do Welbeck the world of good.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on September 04, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Think we do need to build a team around Sterling and Sturridge.

Our best 2 players over the last season or so. Think Barkley would replace Wilshere for me once hes fully fit and on form.

Think the move to Arsenal may do Welbeck the world of good.


Do you? I think Welbeck is a pile of crap.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2014, 05:08:58 PM
Jack wilshire Just said they didnt get enough credit for the World Cup :o Brainwashed by the FA
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggiebulldog on September 05, 2014, 05:16:00 PM
anyone going to switzerland?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 05, 2014, 05:48:42 PM
Jack wilshire Just said they didnt get enough credit for the World Cup :o Brainwashed by the FA

I think he's got a point. We weren't as bad as some have suggested, there was much more to be positive about than the World Cup in 2010.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
I think he's got a point. We weren't as bad as some have suggested, there was much more to be positive about than the World Cup in 2010.

Lost two drawn one and bottom of the group... No wonder you don't mind Irvine mate...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 05, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
I found nothing positive from that World Cup about England. infact it opened my eyes to the decline of our national team.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 05, 2014, 09:08:27 PM
Lost two drawn one and bottom of the group... No wonder you don't mind Irvine mate...

Ouch!  :o

The Italy and Uruguay games could have gone either way, we definitely didn't deserve to lose both but that's football and matches are sometimes won and lost by fine margins. Euro 2016 will be the tournament that define's Hodgson's reign.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 06, 2014, 10:14:27 AM
Ouch!  :o

The Italy and Uruguay games could have gone either way, we definitely didn't deserve to lose both but that's football and matches are sometimes won and lost by fine margins. Euro 2016 will be the tournament that define's Hodgson's reign.
How many times do we hear from players that you make your own luck in football or the better you are the luckier you are  ;)

England are s**t and will always be s**t. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. We've had all the rhetoric about making changes to make us better but in fact we've got worse. Yes we have some great youth talent but we never are a team and that's our downfall.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 08, 2014, 08:10:46 AM
A point would be a very good result tonight. Considering the amount of injuries we have. Optimistic but I'm looking forward to this young team playing tonight, a tough test for them.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 08, 2014, 08:22:59 AM
For the first time in my life i wont be rushing home to watch England
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on September 08, 2014, 09:45:26 AM
Too many players in their comfort zone. Multi millionaires who ain't bothered if they lose for England as they get a huge paycheck at the end of the month. No hunger!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 08, 2014, 10:47:06 AM
I would take a draw all day long against Switzerland tonight.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 08, 2014, 11:18:06 AM
Lets not rule out the Swiss here they are 9 places above us in the rankings table.

Tough game for us and injuries now mean not even the best XI can be put out
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on September 08, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
Positive result for us tonight I think. I'm going for 1-0 England with Welbeck to score
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 08, 2014, 11:24:59 AM
Do these guys get a wage playing for England?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 08, 2014, 11:26:23 AM
If players play to true levels then we will beat them of that I have no doubt.

Just dont think we are that nice to watch at the min and I dont fancy them when it matters
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 08, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
Delph starts the game for England tonight i hear
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 08, 2014, 02:46:16 PM
Do these guys get a wage playing for England?

They get a fee for playing for England. In the past they have given all their fees to Charity though.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 08, 2014, 02:49:14 PM
Do these guys get a wage playing for England?

They do, but they donate it to charity. I believe all international players are required to be paid (which is why there's often a lot of arguments between African nations and their players at tournaments over their bonus').


This is a huge game for Hodgson, he needs to be brave and go for a win. His position will become nearly untenable otherwise, though I suspect the FA will stick with him whatever, the fans and press will turn against him completely if he goes negatively. The 0-0 in Ukraine last year was desperately negative but could somewhat be justified, no excuses for not going for the 3 points here.

Switzerland are a decent side but they're really not a top tier side, they did lose 5-0 to France in the world cup and finished 3rd in the Euro 2012 qualifying behind us and Montenegro.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on September 08, 2014, 04:33:14 PM
Just had a look at their squad - Xhaka, Shaqiri, Stocker, Inler, Behrami, Lichtsteiner, Seferovic. Definitely not a team that will roll over. Do we have anyone of Shaqiri's quality? Sterling may get there, but he's not anywhere near yet.

This is going to be tough.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2014, 09:55:19 PM
Good performance. Sterling MOTM, thought Delph also did well.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on September 08, 2014, 10:19:39 PM
Cahill MOTM for me
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on September 08, 2014, 10:54:28 PM
Good performance. Sterling MOTM, thought Delph also did well.

Lucky not to be sent off within 24 minutes but improved after that.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 08:12:37 AM
Much Better, san marino next
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 09, 2014, 08:35:59 AM
A pretty decent performance, from everyone last night, scored too good goals, thought we looked relatively solid. I thought the Swiss were very average last night I was expecting them to take the game to us more.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 09, 2014, 09:26:47 AM
Actually enjoyed watching them last night for the first time in a good long while. Sterling was the standout for me, great to see Welbeck get a couple of goals and perform well after the stick he gets and it was just a better team performance.

Still plenty to work on no doubt about it but its just a glimmer of hope there after last night.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
once Delph settled down he looked pretty good too, got  a great engine
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on September 09, 2014, 10:48:31 AM
England are always similar in qualifiers and friendlies but useless when it really matters. Switzerland aren't anything special, at the world cup they were awful when they got thumped 5-2 by France and they parked the bus against Argentina.

Fabian Delph's "engine" will mean absolutely nothing when it really matters, his lack of match intelligence and footballing technique will show him up for the distinctly average footballer he is.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on September 09, 2014, 11:14:18 AM
Need to look past the Villa link, he was decent after a shakey start. He looked like a school kid getting his first game, full of energy and flying into tackles. Could have easily been sent off. After that he settled and played well.

Like others have said, actually enjoyed last nights game, first time for a while.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on September 09, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
Need to look past the Villa link, he was decent after a shakey start. He looked like a school kid getting his first game, full of energy and flying into tackles. Could have easily been sent off. After that he settled and played well.

Like others have said, actually enjoyed last nights game, first time for a while.


It's nothing to do with the Villa link. Delph isn't good enough and when it comes to top games against top teams he'll look the level he is. Same as Welbeck and Jones and others.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 09, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
Enjoyed the 2nd half but wasnt too impressed with the 1st. Thought we looked fairly solid in all though.

Delph played well, Sterling did too and Welbeck was great with 2 good team goals to boot.

Defence held well, liked the look of Stones

As others have said first time ive enjoyed watching England in a long time

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on September 09, 2014, 11:40:20 AM

It's nothing to do with the Villa link. Delph isn't good enough and when it comes to top games against top teams he'll look the level he is. Same as Welbeck and Jones and others.

That wasn't directed at you. Just in general, some may write him off as he plays for Villa. He deserved credit for last night, you can only play whats infront of you. Likewise Welbeck, he had a very good game, plenty of effort and ran the channels well. Took his goals well even if the first was a bit lucky off the shin.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on September 09, 2014, 12:18:09 PM
I think Delph is the perfect exemplar of englands fundamental issue,
ie, we do not have the quality of player to compete with the big boys, patriotism , energy, grit will only get us so far.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 12:25:58 PM
Jones. never an international
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 09, 2014, 02:46:51 PM
Fantastic win against a tough Switzerland side who are 9th in the rankings. I enjoyed the football we played and Sterling is a joy to watch when he's running with the ball.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2014, 06:42:28 PM
Next England Manager.Tony Pulis i hear :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 09, 2014, 06:55:15 PM
Fabian Delph's "engine" will mean absolutely nothing when it really matters, his lack of match intelligence and footballing technique will show him up for the distinctly average footballer he is.

Agreed. Unfortunately you can replace Delph's name with many of the English players currently playing in the Premier League right now.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2014, 07:26:25 PM
Delph works well in that formation and should keep his place, played smartly that could take down good teams.

People generally over estimate how good a lot of the big teams are, its a big failing of the England team in how much undue respect we tend to show to teams. Look at how we played Italy, showed so much respect to Pirlo who really did not deserve it which showed when he had Costa Rican and Uruguayan midfielders swarming all over him the next two games and was very poor. England don't currently have the players to stand toe to toe with the very best, but the world cup showed you really don't need that. Delph is not a top player but neither were most the US, Chilean or Costa Rican players who scared the life out of better teams than England.

England's strength should be we have some potentially world class counter attacking talents, our midfield isn't going to destroy or control teams but what they can do is bloody their nose, people like Delph are perfect for that. Look at the Chile team that played against Spain, on paper the Spanish midfield beat them in every conceivable way but the sheer energy of their team forced them into mistakes and didn't let them into the game.

This England squad isn't going to win Euro 2016 but with clever tactics (not trying to out pass better teams, not standing off waiting for them to cut through you and instead get in their face...) we should be a lot more of a threat than we looked at the world cup. Unfortunately that's not really Hodgson's style but hopefully he too learned a lot of lessons from how Chile and Costa Rica took down superior sides.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2014, 09:35:47 AM
our friendly with Scotland in November apparently cause for concern
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 10, 2014, 11:12:29 AM
our friendly with Scotland in November apparently cause for concern

Im not suprised, they are looking a half decent team at the min. But they will tail off eventually they always do, not enough consistency in the team
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 10, 2014, 11:18:31 AM
Im not suprised, they are looking a half decent team at the min. But they will tail off eventually they always do, not enough consistency in the team


 More so politically according to listening to the radio this morning
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 10, 2014, 11:21:13 AM
What a load of tosh. Political problems should not come into the football field.

If they set that precedent then they can do it to other nations where we have "issues"..

Its ridiculous
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 10, 2014, 07:04:03 PM
our friendly with Scotland in November apparently cause for concern
Move the fixture to Andorra. Then we'd see some rubber crumb filling the air. ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DevonBaggie on October 02, 2014, 01:49:15 PM
Hodgson has gone down in my estimation by saying this.

Hodgson: 'Lambert is in the squad on merit. He impressed me somewhat last season, and moreso after his summer move to Liverpool. He was good during the world cup, and although he hasn't played as much so far this season, he's still been impressive. His place wasn't in doubt in my mind. I know there has been calls for Berahino to replace him, and he has been playing and scoring for my other old team West Brom. But people don't understand the gravitas of playing for Liverpool. Lambert playing infrequently for Liverpool is still a step up than playing and scoring for West Brom in my mind.'

Thats going to do Berahinos confidence a whole load of good, says a lot about england selections in general
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on October 02, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Lambert playing infrequently for Liverpool is still a step up than playing and scoring for West Brom in my mind.'

Really??  Thats not a clever thing to be saying Roy!

That statement should be hanging on the wall in our changing room saturday I hope.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 02, 2014, 01:54:54 PM
Hodgson has gone down in my estimation by saying this.

Hodgson: 'Lambert is in the squad on merit. He impressed me somewhat last season, and moreso after his summer move to Liverpool. He was good during the world cup, and although he hasn't played as much so far this season, he's still been impressive. His place wasn't in doubt in my mind. I know there has been calls for Berahino to replace him, and he has been playing and scoring for my other old team West Brom. But people don't understand the gravitas of playing for Liverpool. Lambert playing infrequently for Liverpool is still a step up than playing and scoring for West Brom in my mind.'

Thats going to do Berahinos confidence a whole load of good, says a lot about england selections in general
So much for always picking the best player at that time for the job. Berahino is streets ahead of where Lambert is THIS SEASON, tghis statement is an absolute damning enditement of the selection process. But lets be honest, we always new the score with England anyway, just ask Bomber and Derek Statham, Ray Barlow, Joe Kennedy, the list goes on
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on October 02, 2014, 02:02:46 PM
Strange statement from Roy. Won't do himself any favours with that. Stupid thing to come out and say but I hope that fuels the fire for Berahino and he scores again the weekend
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Floydy on October 02, 2014, 02:05:49 PM
I think Hodgson still remembers how Saido was 2-3 years ago with his off-field behaviour / attitude. Maybe this is influencing his thinking currently?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: richjonawba on October 02, 2014, 02:38:02 PM
Even Crouch should be in there over Lambert, atleast he's playing and scoring.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on October 02, 2014, 03:24:07 PM
Even Crouch should be in there over Lambert, atleast he's playing and scoring.

Good call, Crouch would indeed be a better option. Probably got better feet than Lambert as well
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on October 02, 2014, 03:30:27 PM
Another 'YAWN' England squad.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on October 02, 2014, 03:39:02 PM
Hodgson has gone down in my estimation by saying this.

Hodgson: 'Lambert is in the squad on merit. He impressed me somewhat last season, and moreso after his summer move to Liverpool. He was good during the world cup, and although he hasn't played as much so far this season, he's still been impressive. His place wasn't in doubt in my mind. I know there has been calls for Berahino to replace him, and he has been playing and scoring for my other old team West Brom. But people don't understand the gravitas of playing for Liverpool. Lambert playing infrequently for Liverpool is still a step up than playing and scoring for West Brom in my mind.'

Thats going to do Berahinos confidence a whole load of good, says a lot about england selections in general

Do we have a source for this statement?  I'm trying to find the full statement or video, but can't see anything out there.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tgd26 on October 02, 2014, 03:50:17 PM
That's a shocking statement if true!

I know it's not really a great comparison but it's similar to saying as a manager not really doing it at Liverpool stands you in better stead to be England manager than finishing comfortable mid table with the Albion like Roy did. Both are equally ridiculous as each other.

Surely, if Saido is banging them in playing for an inferior team that puts him ahead a Lambert who isn't setting the world alight playing in a more experienced\expensive Liverpool team?

So much for giving youth a chance and also playing the form players!

For what it's worth, I don't think that Saido automatically deserves a call up to the senior squad BUT I also don't think Lambert should get in based solely on the 'gravitas' of playing for Liverpool.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on October 02, 2014, 04:13:21 PM
Hodgson: 'Lambert is in the squad on merit REALLY . He impressed me somewhat last season, and moreso after his summer move to Liverpool. He was good during the world cup REALLY , and although he hasn't played as much so far this season, he's still been impressive NO SERIOUSLY ROY, REALLY . His place wasn't in doubt in my mind  ???  ::) . I know there has been calls for Berahino to replace him, and he has been playing and scoring for my other old team West Brom well done Roy, not totally lost ya marbles then . But people don't understand the gravitas of playing for Liverpool REALLY . Lambert playing infrequently for Liverpool is still a step up than playing and scoring for West Brom in my mind NOW THATS JUST A LOAD OF OLD B******S UNCLE ROY .'

If you don't think SB is ready for a full England debut, fine, I think a lot of WBA fans would agree with you but ffs don't come out with shi'te like that, don't know whether your still trying to gain some respect off the scouser's but they shat on you Mr Hodgson, get over it. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 02, 2014, 05:54:45 PM
Sowwy Roy, but you've weally gone down in my estimation. Gwavitas my awse!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on October 02, 2014, 06:55:39 PM
Where's the source can't find it anywhere on the web ?.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on October 02, 2014, 07:24:42 PM
If Roy has said that playing infrequently for Liverpool is a step up on playing regularly and scoring for West Brom then I've lost all respect for him as a manager and I hope he gets sacked
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on October 02, 2014, 07:34:18 PM
Where's the source can't find it anywhere on the web ?.

Same here.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on October 02, 2014, 07:54:10 PM
I've been looking for hours now and have found nothing.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on October 02, 2014, 10:54:49 PM


Surely, if Saido is banging them in playing for an inferior team that puts him ahead a Lambert who isn't setting the world alight playing in a more experienced\expensive Liverpool team?




ESPECIALLY in the case of a striker. A striker at a "top" club is likely to be getting better regular service than a striker gets at a "lesser" club - generally.

I don't personally think Berahino is ready for an England call up if I'm honest but Lambert shouldn't be there either. He isn't an international standard striker, never has been, never will be and he isn't good enough for a Liverpool team expecting to challenge for the title either - again never has been, never will be.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2014, 12:00:34 AM
Those Hodgson "quotes" are made up, googling them only brings up West Brom sites.

The reason Berahino isn't in the England squad is the under 21's have an important play off.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on October 09, 2014, 08:01:43 PM
Well it looks pretty certain that Wayne Rooney will break Sir Bobby Charlton's England scoring record, but i cant help wondering how Sir Bobby would have got on if he got to play against minnows Like San Marino, Andorra and the like.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on October 10, 2014, 06:33:24 AM
Its about time that UEFA realised that the like of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg etc are never going to be anything except a training game for the rest of Europe. Even the fans can't be bothered to turn out to watch a game of attack v defence.
San Marino not won any of their last 57 games.
Why can't UEFA organise a different competition for these lesser footballing nations? At least one of them would be in with a chance of winning something
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 10, 2014, 09:09:56 AM
Its about time that UEFA realised that the like of San Marino, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg etc are never going to be anything except a training game for the rest of Europe. Even the fans can't be bothered to turn out to watch a game of attack v defence.
San Marino not won any of their last 57 games.
Why can't UEFA organise a different competition for these lesser footballing nations? At least one of them would be in with a chance of winning something

I agree, it doesn't help make England better and it wont teams like Luxembourg better either. San Marino have lost their last 64 games. I only watched the goals on last night how can people get excited and look forward to a game like that. I think there should be a qualifying system for those countries to be able to get into the European Qualifiers.   
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on October 10, 2014, 09:37:39 AM
Feel sorry for them to be honest. Having to get beat like that on a regular basis. They barely ever score let alone win!

Went to Wembley last night thought we didn't play to bad against a side that was just to stay in its own half. Often can be tough to break down, but the job got done.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on October 10, 2014, 09:38:37 AM
Didn't even watch a minute of the game and only found out we were playing yesterday morning. Bring back the England stadium roadshow - much better than Wembley.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on October 10, 2014, 11:09:16 AM
Anyone going down the custard to support Saido ?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 10, 2014, 11:57:59 AM
Feel sorry for them to be honest. Having to get beat like that on a regular basis. They barely ever score let alone win!
Feel quite jealous myself. Although the San Marino players are far better than me, I would have loved to have a San Marinan grandfather to give me a chance at International football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: rajesh-wba on October 10, 2014, 12:02:20 PM
Anyone going down the custard to support Saido ?

Yes- off tonight. Never attended a live U21 England game previously. Apparently expecting a decent crowd tonight. Looking forward to see how Saido gets on later today.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on October 10, 2014, 12:05:40 PM
Yes- off tonight. Never attended a live U21 England game previously. Apparently expecting a decent crowd tonight. Looking forward to see how Saido gets on later today.

I see Southgate encouraging the locals to get behind Saido. No doubt the idiots constatly jeer and boo him  >:(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 10, 2014, 06:44:54 PM
Not playing well so far. Kane is a greedy so and so.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: JDWest_Brom on October 13, 2014, 03:24:15 PM
In the Metro today they compared Fabian Delph to Carlton Palmer. I know he's not world class but he's not that bad, he can at least play a bit.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: geoff on October 14, 2014, 10:54:58 AM
Croatia v England u21

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=284971&part=sports

http://www.firstrows.eu/
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on October 14, 2014, 12:28:10 PM
Croatia v England u21

http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=284971&part=sports

http://www.firstrows.eu/

Thanks for this.  Really looking forward to this tonight.  Have to say for me U21s is more interesting than the full team at the moment.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 14, 2014, 01:38:52 PM
Thanks for this.  Really looking forward to this tonight.  Have to say for me U21s is more interesting than the full team at the moment.

Don't think there would be much interest here if it wasn't for Berahino.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 14, 2014, 03:00:59 PM
Don't think there would be much interest here if it wasn't for Berahino.

Very much true I believe. Similarly why I am more interested in Northern Ireland with McAuley, Baird, Brunt than in my native Republic of Ireland this qualifying campaign.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on October 15, 2014, 12:23:54 PM
Southgate's done an absolutely brilliant job with the under 21's. Pick's the players who want to be there, has them playing a really nice possession style of football, and has really developed a lot of the players since they've been with him. In particular Tom Carroll, James Ward-Prowse, and Will Hughes seem better for Southgate than at club level. Also kept going with Berahino in his rough patch and is in no small part helping his resurgence.

A good u-21 final tournament and he should be the main contender if Hodgson steps down after 2016. Someone who actually understands the national team, develops the players, get's them playing a progressive style and by all accounts seems to have a great rapport with the team. You don't need to have a great club track record to be a good international manager.

Unfortunately, he's really not getting the credit he deserves for doing such a wonderful job thus far.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on October 15, 2014, 01:16:18 PM
On the flipside of that, I was dissapointed to see Berahino wasted on the wide left. He looked lost and annoyed out there
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on October 15, 2014, 02:10:24 PM
On the flipside of that, I was dissapointed to see Berahino wasted on the wide left. He looked lost and annoyed out there

Reminds me of when Tony Brown played his only international, stuck him on the left wing,didnt get a touch, took off after 70 minutes for Allan Clarke (Leeds) who immediately went up front! - still grates me!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 27, 2014, 01:58:30 PM
Anyone going to the Scotland game :-\
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Floydy on November 06, 2014, 08:52:40 AM
EA Sports pick 23-man England squad based on official Performance Data

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2822384/Wayne-Rooney-Joe-Hart-DROPPED-England-Charlie-Austin-Fraser-Forster-according-EA-data.html#ixzz3IHCxEzBW


Wayne Rooney and Joe Hart should be omitted from Roy Hodgson's England XI to face Slovenia - according to the Premier League's official player ranking index provided by EA Sports.

Taking into account every second of every English player's performances in the Premier League this season, EA have provided a balanced squad of the 23 most in-form players, and from that a best XI.

Rooney and Hart - the only representatives from the Manchester clubs - make the squad but do not make the XI.

The index has instead Southampton's Fraser Forster starting ahead of Manchester City's Hart, while QPR's Charlie Austin and West Brom's Saido Berahino are preferred to Manchester United's Rooney up front.

Berahino - the highest-rated player in the squad - is one of three West Brom players picked, making them the joint-most represented club along with Southampton and West Ham.

City and United, meanwhile, have the same number of representatives in the squad (1) as Crystal Palace, Hull, QPR and Stoke.

Just nine of England's World Cup squad make the 23, but the centre back pairing from Brazil of Gary Cahill and Phil Jagielka are retained in the XI.

Of Hodgson's last starting XI, who played Estonia last month, only four make the EA XI.

Raheem Sterling, who came off the bench in that match, is one star name who does make the cut, as does his Liverpool team-mate Jordan Henderson.

There is no place in the squad for Jack Wilshere, with West Ham's Mark Noble starting in midfield alongside Henderson.

This squad will surely be widely different from Hodgson's - named on Thursday for the qualifier on Novermber 15 - but it certainly raises some interesting questions regarding selection.

Fraser Forster Southampton Goalkeeper 119
Joe Hart Manchester City Goalkeeper 97
Ben Foster West Brom Goalkeeper 89
Leighton Baines Everton Full back 186
Ryan Bertrand Southampton Full back 171
Nathaniel Clyne Southampton Full back 160
Aaron Cresswell West Ham Full back 155
Gary Cahill  Chelsea Centre back 149
Phil Jagielka Everton Centre back 146
Ryan Shawcross Stoke City Centre back 132
Craig Dawson West Brom Centre back 118
Jordan Henderson Liverpool Central midfield 150
Mark Noble West Ham Central midfield 144
Gareth Barry Everton Central midfield 124
Tom Huddlestone Hull City Central midfield 121
Raheem Sterling Liverpool Winger 211
Stewart Downing West Ham Winger 207
Nathan Dyer Swansea City Winger 131
Wayne Routledge Swansea City Winger 122
Saido Berahino West Brom Striker 235
Charlie Austin QPR Striker 156
Fraizer Campbell Crystal Palace Striker 137
Wayne Rooney Manchester United Striker 127


Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on November 06, 2014, 10:07:38 AM
Cheers for that Floydy.  Very interesting.


Heaven forbid the England manager picks players based on their performances.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on November 06, 2014, 11:00:56 AM
Can almost guarantee Lambert will be in the squad yet has hardly kicked a ball all season.

Got a funny feeling Theo Walcott will make the squad too despite playing 30 minutes of football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 06, 2014, 11:55:47 AM
Ricky Lambert has done nothing this season he doesn't deserve to be picked. I bet Theo Waclott will be picked which will please Arsene Wegner.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 06, 2014, 12:24:46 PM
If Lambert gets picked ahead of Berahino then I give up on England
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 06, 2014, 12:48:48 PM
Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster, Ben Foster and Joe Hart

Defenders: Leighton Baines, Gary Cahill, Calum Chambers, Nathaniel Clyne, Kieran Gibbs, Phil Jagielka, Luke Shaw and Chris Smalling.

Midfielders: Ross Barkley, Michael Carrick, Stewart Downing, Jordan Henderson, Adam Lallana, James Milner, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain, Raheem Sterling, Andros Townsend, Jack Wilshere and Theo Walcott.

Forwards: Rickie Lambert, Wayne Rooney, Daniel Welbeck and Saido Berahino.

I would have had Austin in for Lambet, Townsend hasnt done a great deal this season, Carrick and Walcott have hardly played at all this season. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on November 06, 2014, 01:45:55 PM
I dont know how Chris Smalling gets in these squads.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on November 06, 2014, 01:48:01 PM
I dont know how Chris Smalling gets in these squads.

I do. He plays for Man Utd.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on November 06, 2014, 02:17:55 PM
So happy for Berahino getting into the squad. Hopefully Slovenia will give up a decent fight and not just sit back.

If Dawson continues his impressive form, then maybe we could see him on the fringes, but I think he's not quite good enough to be a starting centre back for England. He could be in the future, but not right now.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Silver Thostle on November 06, 2014, 05:05:51 PM
On the up, COYB!!!!

Now we have Foster and Saido in the FULL England squad, well done lads.  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Who next?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on November 06, 2014, 05:34:12 PM
Well Hodgon's manager, and Ashworth is England's technical director.

By all rights Lescott should really be in the squad ahead of Smalling too who's done nothing other than get sent off in his last match.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 06, 2014, 06:10:35 PM
Id have Lescott over Smalling all day long..

Smalling is a poor poor player
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dan7heman on November 06, 2014, 11:02:18 PM
Brilliant stuff, let's hope Dawson is next.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2014, 12:11:17 PM
Bomber would walk into this current team and so would Statham and Batson.
Competiton in the 70s didnt help. for Bomber only to get one cap there must have been some footballer out there.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dangerman on November 07, 2014, 12:46:11 PM
Bomber would walk into this current team and so would Statham and Batson.
Competiton in the 70s didnt help. for Bomber only to get one cap there must have been some footballer out there.

I think there is an element of that but also the club wasn't fashionable. Players who played here wasn't generally picked for England.

Bryan Robson's England career didn't really get going until he moved to Utd and Jeff Astle certainly should have had a lot more caps and the same goes for Bomber.

I'm not sure which players were picked over Bomber, but regardless of that he should have had a lot more England caps than 1, that is for sure.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
This game should have been taken to the fans, have you seen the pitch it's a disgrace . Obviously NFL more important to the money men
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 15, 2014, 04:48:58 PM
No start for Saido but ex Baggie Bostjan Cesar starts for Slovenia
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dudleylad on November 15, 2014, 05:01:08 PM
I would imagine he will play a part tonight the FA will be keen for him to.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on November 15, 2014, 05:09:17 PM
Has Berahino scored yet?  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on November 15, 2014, 05:31:48 PM
Has Berahino scored yet?  ;D
Unlikely to seeing as the utterly clueless Wellbeck is playing instead of Saido !!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 15, 2014, 05:53:29 PM
Watching England is like watching paint dry
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 15, 2014, 05:56:22 PM
Watching England is like watching paint dry


Very much like watching the Albion then
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on November 15, 2014, 06:27:18 PM
Unlikely to seeing as the utterly clueless Wellbeck is playing instead of Saido !!

Tends to score a few though ey?!? Never far from getting stick or goals.
Highly likely we won't see Saido in this one now I think. Always thought he was more likely to get minutes v Scotland.

Caesar still looks a nutter! Did he ever play for us much?!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on November 15, 2014, 06:29:50 PM
Unlikely to seeing as the utterly clueless Wellbeck is playing instead of Saido !!

And now he has another! He really does get uneccesary stick I feel!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on November 15, 2014, 06:32:10 PM
Tends to score a few though ey?!? Never far from getting stick or goals.
Highly likely we won't see Saido in this one now I think. Always thought he was more likely to get minutes v Scotland.

Caesar still looks a nutter! Did he ever play for us much?!
About 20-odd, id guess 24-25.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on November 15, 2014, 06:55:03 PM
Well that's a couple of hours I won't get back.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on November 15, 2014, 08:54:41 PM
It will be the same old story, England will romp the group but fail when it really matters.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on November 15, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
Tends to score a few though ey?!?


Welbeck will score a few in meaningless matches and against average opposition. He won't score in world cup finals or in big games against quality opposition when you need him to. In horse racing terms you'd call him a flat track bully.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Brummie Road on November 16, 2014, 09:47:47 AM
No start for Saido but ex Baggie Bostjan Cesar starts for Slovenia

There was an interview with Bostjan Cesar in the matchday programme, and one of the questions to him was about his season in England with Albion, and his response was how much he enjoyed the year and was very complimentary about everyone at the club and the supporters and he commented that he still always looks out for the Albion results.

As for the match itself, up until our equaliser I did feel as if we were making very hard work of it, as with no disrespect to Slovenia, it's not like they are a high profile country from a football perspective and as others have commented, it's hard to see the England team having a great impact when we come up against quality opposition.

Prior to his goals, I was really struggling to see what Wellbeck was contributing and at one point he took a whack on the ankle and I was hoping Saido might get a chance, but fair play to Wellbeck in that he clearly ended up justifying being kept on.

We were sitting quite close to the Slovenia supporters and I was surprised at just how many there were, and fair play to them for being a lively bunch, though I think even they were a bit surprised when they took the lead, even if they only had about 60 seconds to bask in the glory. 

But Hodgson's got a tough job here, and while you could argue we're fortunate to have a relatively straightforward qualifying group, when if comes to the crunch in major tournaments it's hard to see us having a major impact.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BRIAN on November 16, 2014, 10:19:10 AM
ATOMIC,I think you are wrong in relating "flat track bully" to horse racing. It is really a cricketing term usually aimed a Graeme Hick by his detractors. No matter how many runs he scored, lots of people outside Worcestershire could not accept his great talent.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 16, 2014, 11:08:05 AM
ATOMIC,I think you are wrong in relating "flat track bully" to horse racing. It is really a cricketing term usually aimed a Graeme Hick by his detractors. No matter how many runs he scored, lots of people outside Worcestershire could not accept his great talent.

Off topic but Hick despite his hundred hundreds was eventually found wanting mentally and against the short ball at the very highest level.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on November 16, 2014, 01:31:01 PM
ATOMIC,I think you are wrong in relating "flat track bully" to horse racing. It is really a cricketing term usually aimed a Graeme Hick by his detractors. No matter how many runs he scored, lots of people outside Worcestershire could not accept his great talent.


That term was a horse racing term before Graeme Hick was batting balls. Not that it really matters.  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 08:53:09 AM
So whos up for the Scotland game :). If our 2 start lets hope its not too physical
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on November 17, 2014, 10:13:15 AM
Until Slovenia scored it was like watching an Albion game. Sidewards passing and slow moving forward. When they scored it brought England to life and we controlled the game from there.

The pitch was a big talking point in the ground, it was a right mess after the NFL games.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on November 17, 2014, 10:25:41 AM
So whos up for the Scotland game :). If our 2 start lets hope its not too physical

That would be the worst an injury to Saido and we would find it very difficult to get a goal from anywhere.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 03:29:50 PM
Foster going to get pelters then for saying Scotland are kickers
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on November 17, 2014, 04:13:06 PM
Really looking forward to the game tomorrow night, it's going to be a cracking atmosphere.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2014, 04:24:03 PM
will there be any england supporters there :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 17, 2014, 06:18:51 PM
The FA had to return around 2,000 tickets because we couldn't sell them - pretty poor when you factor in the Scots brought upwards of 15,000 to Wembley.

Really not arsed about the game either such is my dissatisfaction with England and the FA. I take very little emotional interest in the national side and I would not be bothered if Scotland turned us over - dare I say, I might even crack a smile for my Scottish pals.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2014, 06:41:19 PM
It'll be funny to see how many people magically start caring about England again in about 5 years time when the next generation has come through. One of the best European teams at under 21, under 20, under 19, under 18, and under 17 levels at the moment. What's more doing it playing some very good football. At all levels under 21 and below they play a high pressing, passing, attacking style. Well worth watching when they're on tv.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on November 17, 2014, 06:59:31 PM
The FA had to return around 2,000 tickets because we couldn't sell them - pretty poor when you factor in the Scots brought upwards of 15,000 to Wembley.

Really not arsed about the game either such is my dissatisfaction with England and the FA. I take very little emotional interest in the national side and I would not be bothered if Scotland turned us over - dare I say, I might even crack a smile for my Scottish pals.
Unfortunately I have couple mates with same opinion they laughed when we got knocked out of the world cup  ??? Don't get it myself saying you would be happy for the Scots to beat our national team I can't quite understand that.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 17, 2014, 07:24:43 PM
Unfortunately I have couple mates with same opinion they laughed when we got knocked out of the world cup  ??? Don't get it myself saying you would be happy for the Scots to beat our national team I can't quite understand that.

I want England to win, no doubting that.

I just have no attachment towards them like I do to the England side in the cricket. I don't buy into all this patriotic nonsense that some people do. I watched the majority of our Ashes campaign where we were thumped 5-0 down under - that hurt. I watched England exit a world cup without laying a punch in their group stages and I didn't really give a toss. Infact, I enjoyed the tournament much more when we were out. If Scotland beat us then well done to them - I'll smile for my mates - I won't lose any sleep over it like I know some people will.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 17, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
That's everything wrong with this country! A complete and utter lack of any national pride...I don't get it at all either BobTaylor.

Fair weather national fans, but the first people too cheer and want in on national pride if and when we do anything!

I will always have pride in my national side even if I don't like what I see a lot of the time!

It's why this country has gone to the dogs as no one has any pride in their country anymore
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on November 17, 2014, 07:33:13 PM
That's everything wrong with this country! A complete and utter lack of any national pride...I don't get it at all either BobTaylor.

Fair weather national fans, but the first people too cheer and want in on national pride if and when we do anything!

I will always have pride in my national side even if I don't like what I see a lot of the time!

It's why this country has gone to the dogs as no one has any pride in their country anymore
Unfortunately very true and btw I'm very mild patriotic wise compared to some that follow England all over the country but you can't disagree with that point.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2014, 07:35:42 PM
I want England to win, no doubting that.

I just have no attachment towards them like I do to the England side in the cricket. I don't buy into all this patriotic nonsense that some people do. I watched the majority of our Ashes campaign where we were thumped 5-0 down under - that hurt. I watched England exit a world cup without laying a punch in their group stages and I didn't really give a toss. Infact, I enjoyed the tournament much more when we were out. If Scotland beat us then well done to them - I'll smile for my mates - I won't lose any sleep over it like I know some people will.

If you don't care why would you enjoy the tournament so much more when were out?

People always say that and it makes no sense whatsoever. If you don't care it shouldn't affect your enjoyment of the tournament any more than it did when Russia got knocked out.

So many people go out their way to proclaim just how much they don't care about England, something rings so very false about it when you just know 90% of those people will be back on the bandwagon should England do well in a tournament. It's really no different to only supporting Albion when its a good season.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on November 17, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
If you wanted a ticket and you weren't a member of the travel club you had to pay £75 to join that and then £50 for the actual ticket so you are looking at £125 just for the ticket. Travel around 50-70 (maybe more), hotel £60-80 and about 100 for the day out so it would be like just below £400 for a night in Glasgow.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 17, 2014, 07:42:48 PM
That's everything wrong with this country! A complete and utter lack of any national pride...I don't get it at all either BobTaylor.

Fair weather national fans, but the first people too cheer and want in on national pride if and when we do anything!

I will always have pride in my national side even if I don't like what I see a lot of the time!

It's why this country has gone to the dogs as no one has any pride in their country anymore

National pride doesn't bother me in the slightest. What does that even mean?

In terms of England at any sport my emotional interest goes to the Cricket. I'll have an enjoyable following my country, getting up at ridiculous times to watch them. Its my aim to watch a five test match series in Australia. That for me is a passion.

England in international football? I just have no interest.

This country is in the dogs and the reasons are far greater than no 'national pride'.

I take great pride in everything I do - and follow - I just don't enjoy and have very little interest in international football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbasoprano on November 17, 2014, 07:46:50 PM
I'm with Liam on this, couldn't really care less about the national team, Albion let me down enough as it is  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 17, 2014, 07:50:32 PM
You don't buy into all this patriotic nonsense??  What does that mean exactly?

The way people come across as that you have to live and breathe England.

It's a great country, there's some great people too, I'm proud of being English but that's about it.

To me - its just a country, I was born here, there's nothing more to it.

I'd travel the world if I could - I'd visit my family in Mauritius - I'd take in different cultures.

I wouldn't miss England like some others would - but that's people and each have their different ways and interests.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 17, 2014, 07:54:56 PM
Being proud of your country is the first step toward making a better country for me. Not having that national pride means to me couldn't careless what happens to England full stop. You may not agree or understand that and that's your perogative but it's not something I can say I've ever not had.

The politicians are taking away our identity and personally I hate it!

Tell me, if England had won a major tournament and had made the SF or Final of major tournaments over the last 20 years would you feel more love for the national football team or would you still feel disconnected and more hurt at a failing cricket team?

Genuine question that is and not attempting to knock you!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 17, 2014, 08:01:42 PM
I have travelled and taken in many cultures and I've been astounded, enthralled and humbled by them.

Wherever I've been though I've felt proud to be English, proud of our Eugby, Cricket and Football teams equally. Proud of their successes and dismayed at their failings.

I'm as connected to my national side as I am my Club and always have been
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 17, 2014, 08:05:12 PM
Being proud of your country is the first step toward making a better country for me. Not having that national pride means to me couldn't careless what happens to England full stop. You may not agree or understand that and that's your perogative but it's not something I can say I've ever not had.

The politicians are taking away our identity and personally I hate it!

Tell me, if England had won a major tournament and had made the SF or Final of major tournaments over the last 20 years would you feel more love for the national football team or would you still feel disconnected and more hurt at a failing cricket team?

Genuine question that is and not attempting to knock you!

Failing cricket team? Wash yeah mouth out!  ;D

I'd be happy for those that follow their country at football religiously. They deserve the success for sticking around.

I'd be happy they won a tournament - just like I was happy at the brilliant Olympics we held in 2012.

Would I go running back to watching England? No. Because from a young age I've had little interest in watching England play international football.

I've been brought up on watching Albion, Warwickshire and England in test match cricket. My good mates in Sheffield have got me into Sheffield Wednesday in the last five years or so. I like watching them as a welcome distraction to Albion.

Those for me are where my passions, interests and emotions lie.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 17, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
Fair enough Liam totally respect that!!

I've always loved the national football team. I admit I feel less for them now than I did at Mexico86 or Italia90 but I still hurt like hell when they lose and I'm ecstatic when they win, I feel the same for the cricket team aswell! The only one I don't have as much of an affiliation with is the Rugby team but that's only due to pretty much hating Rugby but I still watch the national team.

I know plenty of others who have the same views you do fella.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 17, 2014, 10:41:38 PM
will there be any england supporters there :o
I used to attend this fixture in the late 70's/early 80's. At Hampden, you'd struggle to see an England fan. At Wembley, the Scots would outnumber us 10 to one. This match means everything to a Scottish footie fan. Some England fans may be apathetic to this fixture, but some of us understand the hurt to our near neighbours with defeat. I, for one, would much rather be on the winning side, especially when outnumbered by so much. On a side note, my last visit to Hampden for a Scot v Eng was 30 years ago, and remember very little about the game apart from Steve Hunt entering onto the pitch. I shall feel just as much pride if Saido does the same.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 18, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
England starting lineup tonight

1 Forster 2 Clyne 3 Shaw 4 Milner 5 Cahill 6 Smalling 7 Wilshere 8 Downing 9 Welbeck 10 Rooney (c) 11 Oxlade-Chamberlain
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 18, 2014, 07:18:22 PM
Scotland: Marshall, Whittaker, Robertson, R. Martin, Hanley, Maloney, Mulgrew, Brown, C. Martin, Naismith, Anya
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 18, 2014, 07:19:00 PM
Scotland line up

Marshall, Whittaker, Hanley, Martin, Robertson, Mulgrew, Brown, Maloney, Anya, Martin, Naismith

Surprised they have continued with Mulgrew ahead of Morrison - thought Gordan Strachan might have opted for a better footballer in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: smethwickw on November 18, 2014, 07:33:33 PM
I was hoping to see 4 of our players starting tonight. I know Morrison was ill at the weekend but Dorrans hasn't started either game.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dudleylad on November 18, 2014, 07:39:45 PM
Its a strange line up from Hodgson and I am not just saying it because hes not playing Berahino.

However two plus points are Downing being brought back into the fold aswell as Milner starting.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 18, 2014, 07:40:22 PM
No Berahino again!

I see no point in picking the inform English striker then not giving him a start instead let's play the usual suspects!

He will gain no more knowledge about his forward line than he already knows tonight!

Scared to try something! I've lost a lot of respect for Roy this last 12 months
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dudleylad on November 18, 2014, 08:01:08 PM
Thats my view seems a pointless selection if he wasnt going to start one of the two games.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on November 18, 2014, 08:58:13 PM
I'd have been amazed if he'd started the game.

Will be a bit disappointed if he doesn't come on as sub though.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 18, 2014, 09:08:17 PM
Morrison on for Scotland for second half

England leading 1-0 Oxlade-Chamberlain
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 18, 2014, 09:08:27 PM
Thats my view seems a pointless selection if he wasnt going to start one of the two games.
Quite often, a player is brought into the England fold in order for them to become accustomed to the way things are done. Just being among household names can be quite daunting to a newcomer.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 18, 2014, 09:10:05 PM
2-0 Rooney
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbasoprano on November 18, 2014, 09:32:49 PM
I don't watch England normally but gave this game a chance as we could have had up to four players on the pitch. Roy has just gone right down in my estimation by bringing Sterling in for an injured Welbeck. I was sure this was Berehinos chance..
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Sted1990 on November 18, 2014, 09:42:15 PM
Why no berahino!?!?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2014, 09:42:38 PM
Oh Ricky Ricky lambert
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on November 18, 2014, 09:43:00 PM
You're taking the piss now, Roy.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbasoprano on November 18, 2014, 09:43:28 PM
Lambert on now, seriously why bother calling Berahino up?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 18, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
Roy can eff right off!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: smethwickw on November 18, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
A game of very little quality.  It's like watching paint dry. How bad is Dorrans if he can't get in this side?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on November 18, 2014, 09:46:28 PM
Dorrans should be ahead of some these guys! Including Morrisson!

Feel sorry for Fozzy, for Saido I guess it's been a good experience to mature him if nothing else.

Ooh a goal! Do we get extra time if its 2-2?! (I wish)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: wbasoprano on November 18, 2014, 09:47:59 PM
Great goal, sssssshhhhhhh Scotland
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 18, 2014, 09:48:45 PM
Great goal, sssssshhhhhhh Scotland

Stunning goal. Absolutely fantastically worked.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2014, 09:53:34 PM
Any of our supporters going into Glasgow for a beer tonight :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 18, 2014, 09:55:18 PM
Not England related but Morrison has done ok since he come on
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: smethwickw on November 18, 2014, 09:59:29 PM
Not England related but Morrison has done ok since he come on

If you class lots of sideways and backward passing as ok. He must have forgotten that he's not playing for us tonight. :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 18, 2014, 09:59:58 PM
Rooney will be England's record caps and goals holder

Think England played well I do. Closed down brilliantly all game and the 3rd goal was top class
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gavinrussell on November 18, 2014, 10:00:05 PM
Well apart from checking out Joe Harts magnificent hair SB has been hung out to dry...should have played 90 against France...must wonder how he didnt get at least a half in that game..we have mire or less qualified for the euros...Cheers Roy
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: valleybaggie on November 18, 2014, 10:01:14 PM
top english goalscorer in the premiership and not even a run out what a waste of time calling him up
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on November 18, 2014, 10:07:12 PM
I think he got a good experience of training with "top" players and getting introduced to the England set up. Bit of an anti-climax with the fanfare his call up received.

From a purely England point of view,  I'd want to see the top English Premier League scorer (in mid-November) get minutes on the pitch, even if its just 5-10. Disappointed that Lambert comes in by default. Smalling shouldn't be near the team. There's definitely a problem with the way Roy picks players. Look at Forster suddenly in now they're in the top 2. Is it harsh on Foster?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 18, 2014, 10:19:52 PM
C'mon guys! This was no run of the mill friendly. Some of you seem to have got carried away with the media hype about Saido. This would have been a massive step up for a kid. It's ruined some in the past. If he's good enough, his time will come.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on November 18, 2014, 10:20:38 PM
I thought that was a very good England performance, Rooney was excellent. I would have liked to see Berahino come on but he'll get his chance eventually if he keeps progressing.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 18, 2014, 10:22:59 PM
Firstly, very good performance from England and a very well deserved win. Probably the best Scotland side in a long time and still completely outplayed by our boys.

Secondly, I have no problem with Berahino not getting any minutes on the pitch just being in and around the squad will have been a good experience for him no matter how disappointed he may feel right now. However I just can't for the life of me work out how bringing Rickie Lambert on ahead of him was the right decision. On one had you have the top English goalscorer in the Premier League and on the other you have a player struggling to even get a game for his club and arguably shouldn't have even been in the squad in the first place, joke of a decision from Roy that one.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionBest on November 18, 2014, 10:31:14 PM
Any idea why Forster was preferred to Foster tonight for the full ninety minutes ?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 18, 2014, 10:33:56 PM
Very disappointed with Scotland - they're much better than what they showed tonight.

No doubting they missed Steven Fletcher tonight who is vital at bringing Naismith and Maloney into the game. I do wonder how much Friday's battle had taken out of them - many of those players looked dead on their feet in the second half.

Good performance from England. Disappointed with Roy wasting Berahino's time.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 18, 2014, 10:34:22 PM
Any idea why Forster was preferred to Foster tonight for the full ninety minutes ?

He's a very good keeper and deserved an opportunity to impress in my opinion. Roy has worked with Foster before and knows everything he needs to know about him, a friendly game where his previous experience playing in Scotland at Celtic could have been valuable makes perfect sense to me.

We are blessed having three keepers as good as Hart, Foster and Forster at the moment.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gavinrussell on November 18, 2014, 10:36:26 PM
RH must have know from the onset that SB wouldnt take part in either game. Why not let him play against France ( who would have beaten both Slovenia and Scotland) at least he would have had some game time ...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on November 19, 2014, 12:40:25 PM
I was perplexed by him bringing on Lambert instead of Berahino.

Lambert doesn't even play for his club so he shouldn't even be in the squad.

I like Lambert but last night I was annoyed that he didn't give SB 5-10 mins at the very least. You can learn a lot from being around the squad yes but you learn a lot more from playing in the games. He is top English goalscorer in the Prem if he ever deserved an opportunity it was last night in a friendly which is the last international game till March..

Forster I can understand over Foster as he needed to look at Forster but then why take a look at Forster in a game and not SB but play the regulars upfront who he has seen before!! Baffling

On another note I thought England played well, I actually think Smalling had a good game and I don't rate him in the slightest
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2015, 08:04:01 AM
I hear Roy might be staying on for the world cups now, i am really not excited by this
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on March 06, 2015, 08:26:04 AM
I hear Roy might be staying on for the world cups now, i am really not excited by this

Just read that myself.  :o

Really really hope not.

Time for someone else. Neville perhaps.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 06, 2015, 08:32:17 AM
I wouldn't give him a new contract until after the Euros.  It was such a poor WC that he's lucky to be in a job at all.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 06, 2015, 08:35:23 AM
I really wanted him to do well, but Euro 2016 has to be last chance saloon really.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 06, 2015, 01:25:43 PM
What do people expect from him? This is the worst England team in years, we've got little coming through, and the selection pool is the shallowest its ever been.

Qualification for the tournament, maybe getting past the group stage, is as good as it will get for the foreseeable.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on March 06, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
What do people expect from him? This is the worst England team in years, we've got little coming through, and the selection pool is the shallowest its ever been.

Qualification for the tournament, maybe getting past the group stage, is as good as it will get for the foreseeable.

I agree but Hodgson is a bit dour and hardly helps get fans going for the occasion.

I wish Arry would have been given the gig. For two reasons, 1) Hodgson would have stayed with us and 2) he has a lot more character than Roy and there would be more of an air of optimism around the country.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 06, 2015, 01:37:25 PM
What do people expect from him? This is the worst England team in years, we've got little coming through, and the selection pool is the shallowest its ever been.

Qualification for the tournament, maybe getting past the group stage, is as good as it will get for the foreseeable.

I get that, but we finished rock bottom of the group last year.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 06, 2015, 02:27:00 PM
It should be performance dependent, do well at Euro 2016 and he should get the world cup. Fail and he should go. He did a good job in Euro 2012 and the team did poorly at the last world cup - though in a difficult group.

Indeed reading the articles about this that seems how the FA will decide which is surely the only real way to do it.

I agree but Hodgson is a bit dour and hardly helps get fans going for the occasion.

I wish Arry would have been given the gig. For two reasons, 1) Hodgson would have stayed with us and 2) he has a lot more character than Roy and there would be more of an air of optimism around the country.

What exactly would Redknapp bring? He's a populist, he says what the papers want but he has no real answers.After the world cup in 2010 he had a column where his comments amounted to if he were manager he'd have Gerrard and Lampard in the middle, and Crouch up front. He's everything England have tried and failed at already.

Hodgson to his credit has done a great deal to bring youth in, probably too much given that ultimately cost him in the world cup.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 06, 2015, 02:35:16 PM
how can the England job be performance related. We don't have the players to do the job, whoever was in charge would fail.
Its a bit like employing a decorator without any brushes and then moaning when the painting is 5hite.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 06, 2015, 02:51:18 PM
how can the England job be performance related. We don't have the players to do the job, whoever was in charge would fail.
Its a bit like employing a decorator without any brushes and then moaning when the painting is 5hite.

The team is hardly that bad, currently easing qualifying ahead of Switzerland who made the last 16 at the last world cup. It's fair to say a minimum expectation for Euro 2016 is getting out the group stage, and really probably the quarter final beyond that.

For some reason people lose all logic with England, might not be the best team in the world but far from the awful side a lot make out either.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 06, 2015, 03:27:33 PM
The team is hardly that bad, currently easing qualifying ahead of Switzerland who made the last 16 at the last world cup. It's fair to say a minimum expectation for Euro 2016 is getting out the group stage, and really probably the quarter final beyond that.

For some reason people lose all logic with England, might not be the best team in the world but far from the awful side a lot make out either.

sorry Dan, but I disagree, who do we have who is world class, or even would get in a European top 11?
Answer = no-one.

Who do we have who is an international quality defender = no-one.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 06, 2015, 03:51:52 PM
sorry Dan, but I disagree, who do we have who is world class, or even would get in a European top 11?
Answer = no-one.

Who do we have who is an international quality defender = no-one.

You could say this about a lot of teams though. People look at England through the lense that everyone should be world class. Germany have a very good side, Spain have a good side though are underperforming. Beyond those two there's not a side in Europe that has a top quality 11. Beyond a French side that has some great young talents coming through the rest of Europe is nothing special at the moment (as shown by the world cup really). Traditional heavyweights like Holland and Italy can also have the finger of lack of world class players pointed at them.

16 sides will make the next round of the Euro's, if England aren't one of those it will be an appalling failure. And really we should with 2 years more experience on a young squad make the quarters. This side is a better than the side that made the quarters in 2012. Particularly depth wise.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 06, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
The team is hardly that bad, currently easing qualifying ahead of Switzerland who made the last 16 at the last world cup. It's fair to say a minimum expectation for Euro 2016 is getting out the group stage, and really probably the quarter final beyond that.

For some reason people lose all logic with England, might not be the best team in the world but far from the awful side a lot make out either.

Agree with you on this.

You could have 11 stars but if they cant play as a team whats the point.

We have players who are either very good down to decent, we might not have world class players but if we had a manager who could get us playing to the best of our ability then I think we would still more than match the so called world class teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 06, 2015, 10:29:41 PM
surely we have paid for the best managers and even they have not been able to meld our average players into a truly competitive team
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on March 06, 2015, 10:35:49 PM
I'd love the next manager after Hodgson to be Gary Neville who's already in the England set up. He has a fantastic knowledge of the game as shown in his punditry, I think he'd know how to man manage players, would instantly gain their respect and has played under one of the great managers in Sir Alex. Phil Neville could be assistant.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on March 07, 2015, 06:41:44 AM
I'd love the next manager after Hodgson to be Gary Neville who's already in the England set up. He has a fantastic knowledge of the game as shown in his punditry, I think he'd know how to man manage players, would instantly gain their respect and has played under one of the great managers in Sir Alex. Phil Neville could be assistant.

And you were doing so well up to this point  ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: koren on March 19, 2015, 12:45:48 PM
Berahino left out of the England squad  :(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 19, 2015, 12:49:05 PM
Berahino left out of the England squad  :(

with Kane on fire, welbeck, sturridge, rooney, walcott, lambert  all fit its no great shock really. ( I haven't checked they have all been picked)

It could be good for us, hopefully he will want "to show em" why he should be in.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on March 19, 2015, 12:49:41 PM
Not suprised to be honest.

Although hes grabbed a couple goals, it was obvious Kane was going to take his place.

Lets just hope it keeps him motivated to get back into the setup.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on March 19, 2015, 12:51:36 PM
Also suprised that they havent called another keeper up to make it 3 (with Foster being injured).

Im shocked Walker has got back into the squad too. Hes looked half the player he was last season, whether that be down to the injury or form or what not.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on March 19, 2015, 01:00:39 PM
It would've been an absolute scandal had Kane not made the squad. he should be in the team and we should be building the team around him.

He has quality and in tournament football it's quality that ultimately matters.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2015, 01:09:56 PM
Anybody else think that Lescott deserved a call up over Jagielka, Jones, Smalling

Lescott has had a good season for us and is the same age as Jagielka. I'm disappointed for him.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on March 19, 2015, 01:11:36 PM
Anybody else think that Lescott deserved a call up over Jagielka, Jones, Smalling

Lescott has had a good season for us and is the same age as Jagielka. I'm disappointed for him.


No, he's yesterday's man as far as international football is concerned. England are currently struggling for quality defenders though, I admit.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on March 19, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Also suprised that they havent called another keeper up to make it 3 (with Foster being injured).

Im shocked Walker has got back into the squad too. Hes looked half the player he was last season, whether that be down to the injury or form or what not.



He [Hodgson] has said Butland is no. 3 but he's with the U21 to get game time. If he needs to be called upon he'll join up as and when needed.

The full squad:

Goalkeepers: Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Manchester City)

Defenders: Leighton Baines (Everton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur)

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Michael Carrick (Manchester United), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal)

Forwards: Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal)


Not sure what Barkley's done to be included - really hasn't set the world alight this season from what I've heard. Also not sure why Walker is included, but I'm struggling to think of anyone beyond Clyne who I would have over him.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2015, 01:24:19 PM
I don't see how Jagielka, Jones, Smalling can be classed as England's future if Lescott is yesterday's man
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on March 19, 2015, 01:38:14 PM
I don't see how Jagielka, Jones, Smalling can be classed as England's future if Lescott is yesterday's man


nor me to be honest. Just goes to underline the fact that England is not producing decent defenders at the moment.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on March 19, 2015, 01:40:53 PM
Is John Stones injured? He'd be someone I'd like in the squad. Young, good with the ball at his feet, decent pace, and can play right back too.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2015, 01:43:05 PM

nor me to be honest. Just goes to underline the fact that England is not producing decent defenders at the moment.

If that is the case, shouldn't the England Manager select the best available then?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ranvir wba90 on March 19, 2015, 04:16:01 PM
Hodgson chosen clubs over form. Bertrand Austin Berahino  over walcott welbeck and shaw.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 24, 2015, 05:27:13 PM
Anybody excited with the fourth coming games, maybe Kane will turn out to be a regular international
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 24, 2015, 06:17:16 PM
Looking forward to watching this game intact, if only too see how Kane gets on
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 25, 2015, 06:52:29 AM
Going to both of them lithuania and italy, can't wait for italy but the only reason we're going to the lithuania game is due to the FA's stupid rule of gaining one cap for away games and now two for home games just so more people go to wembley. Absolute joke of a rule!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on March 25, 2015, 09:28:37 AM
Going to both of them lithuania and italy, can't wait for italy but the only reason we're going to the lithuania game is due to the FA's stupid rule of gaining one cap for away games and now two for home games just so more people go to wembley. Absolute joke of a rule!

surely it should be the other way round
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: east-stand-nick on March 25, 2015, 09:46:09 AM
Going to both of them lithuania and italy, can't wait for italy but the only reason we're going to the lithuania game is due to the FA's stupid rule of gaining one cap for away games and now two for home games just so more people go to wembley. Absolute joke of a rule!

That's ridiculous.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 25, 2015, 09:49:06 AM
surely it should be the other way round

You would think so wouldn't you, done by the FA to make sure they sell the home tickets.

Someone could spend a couple of thousand travelling across Europe to 6 away games and receive 6 caps whereas someone could go to 4 home and one away and have 9 caps and therefore having more chance of getting tournament tickets.

That's our FA for you
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionFan on March 25, 2015, 10:14:19 AM
You would think so wouldn't you, done by the FA to make sure they sell the home tickets.

Someone could spend a couple of thousand travelling across Europe to 6 away games and receive 6 caps whereas someone could go to 4 home and one away and have 9 caps and therefore having more chance of getting tournament tickets.

That's our FA for you

I think is typically synical of the FA, as they strive to make the new Wembly viable.

They should have built the new stadium in the Midlands on a greenfield site and maybe the wouldn't be so money grabbing, but I doubt that as well.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 25, 2015, 05:23:43 PM
I think is typically synical of the FA, as they strive to make the new Wembly viable.

They should have built the new stadium in the Midlands on a greenfield site and maybe the wouldn't be so money grabbing, but I doubt that as well.
I did an extended essay, based on the location of the New National Stadium, for a degree course I was doing at the time. Everything pointed toward Birmingham as the ideal location. Then it became political. All common sense went out the window after that.
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Post by: albiontilidie on March 25, 2015, 06:58:03 PM
Going to both of them lithuania and italy, can't wait for italy but the only reason we're going to the lithuania game is due to the FA's stupid rule of gaining one cap for away games and now two for home games just so more people go to wembley. Absolute joke of a rule!

Its beyond stupid, was going to become england fans + member or whatever it called now for France tickets chance, but decided against it after this rule, Its f*****g stupid rule to try and get people to home game.

Just saved the money and will look for tickets through uefa and touts by the ground, cheaper than going to all the games
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Post by: leeiswba on March 25, 2015, 07:02:45 PM
Its beyond stupid, was going to become england fans + member or whatever it called now for France tickets chance, but decided against it after this rule, Its fucking stupid rule to try and get people to home game.

Just saved the money and will look for tickets through uefa and touts by the ground, cheaper than going to all the games

Its worth it for the away games, I'm going to Italy, Ireland and Slovenia with in the next 10 weeks. A few nights in each country on the beer with mates, can't beat it!
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Post by: albiontilidie on March 25, 2015, 07:23:44 PM
Thats true, Not sure how many aways i would of gotten to,
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Post by: SmethDan on March 25, 2015, 07:25:48 PM
Its worth it for the away games, I'm going to Italy, Ireland and Slovenia with in the next 10 weeks. A few nights in each country on the beer with mates, can't beat it!

Evening.
Hope you don't mind me asking, but what do you do for a living?
You must be absolutely minted.
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Post by: leeiswba on March 25, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
Evening.
Hope you don't mind me asking, but what do you do for a living?
You must be absolutely minted.

Haha, far from it mate just a normal job in civil service, the fact I'm 23 and live with parents still with hardly any responsibilities make it easier.

For Italy next week; return flights from Stansted to Genoa, return train from Genoa to Turin, One night in Genoa and one night in Turin and a match ticket has altogether come to £179 which I think is quite cheap, hostel may be a bit crappy but as long as I have somewhere to sleep and have a shower I'm not to fussed.

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Post by: SmethDan on March 25, 2015, 11:28:01 PM
For Italy next week; return flights from Stansted to Genoa, return train from Genoa to Turin, One night in Genoa and one night in Turin and a match ticket has altogether come to £179 which I think is quite cheap, hostel may be a bit crappy but as long as I have somewhere to sleep and have a shower I'm not to fussed.

Fair play chap but you need to add transport to and from Stanstead, and most importantly BEER MONEY into the equation.
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Post by: Legend on March 26, 2015, 03:42:02 PM
So Hodgson will be having contract talks with England soon, hope he stays on for another few tournaments.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 26, 2015, 03:43:40 PM
So Hodgson will be having contract talks with England soon, hope he stays on for another few tournaments.


I thinks his contract negotiations will depend on the Euro Finals.He has failed the last 2 finals
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Post by: robbo_wba on March 27, 2015, 11:02:14 AM
Haha, far from it mate just a normal job in civil service, the fact I'm 23 and live with parents still with hardly any responsibilities make it easier.

For Italy next week; return flights from Stansted to Genoa, return train from Genoa to Turin, One night in Genoa and one night in Turin and a match ticket has altogether come to £179 which I think is quite cheap, hostel may be a bit crappy but as long as I have somewhere to sleep and have a shower I'm not to fussed.

I'm doing exactly the same as you mate. See you on the flight to Genoa!
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Post by: Dan on March 27, 2015, 12:11:22 PM

I thinks his contract negotiations will depend on the Euro Finals.He has failed the last 2 finals

Not sure how he failed at Euro 2012. Got to penalties in the quarter final having only joined up a month before the tournament, having the weakest squad in a long time, and having a tonne of injuries that robbed him of 3/4 first team players.
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Post by: kris_boing on March 27, 2015, 12:54:45 PM
The World Cup was so bad though.  I can't recall a worse WC.  Granted its the worst set of players any England manager has to call upon since god knows when but even so I think he needs a good Euro 2016 if he is to stay on.
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Post by: Hunnington Baggie on March 27, 2015, 12:57:26 PM
The World Cup was so bad though.  I can't recall a worse WC.  Granted its the worst set of players any England manager has to call upon since god knows when but even so I think he needs a good Euro 2016 if he is to stay on.
USA? Didn't we fail to qualify at all for that one?
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Post by: kris_boing on March 27, 2015, 01:42:01 PM
USA? Didn't we fail to qualify at all for that one?


..... that we qualified for.   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on March 28, 2015, 11:19:36 PM
I thought there were some decent football played Friday night and it was good to see Kane score so quickly into his debut. Italy will be a tough test but this England team can give anyone a game.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 30, 2015, 10:01:02 AM
I expect the usual outcome against Italy. We get beat
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Post by: Albionic on March 30, 2015, 10:12:06 AM
this England team can give anyone a game

If we beat Italy convincingly, I might be inclined to accept that, but seriously, my opinion is that our defence is abject, and will be exposed by a top team !
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Post by: Mister AT on March 30, 2015, 10:26:34 AM
this England team can give anyone a game

If we beat Italy convincingly, I might be inclined to accept that, but seriously, my opinion is that our defence is abject, and will be exposed by a top team !

I have been saying the same for a while, we are centre back short. I rate Cahill he tends to be solid, I like the look of Clyne being the RB, Baines at times can be caught out.

Still think this England team would be a lot better had Terry still been in and around the squad.
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Post by: MarkW on March 30, 2015, 12:15:47 PM
Cahill hasn't been himself this season, according to a lot of Chelsea fans. But then I don't think we have too many players who legitimately deserve a go there.

I'd like to see more of Stones and Chambers but it appears the latter is playing in the U21s. Not sure about Stones.
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Post by: Albionic on March 30, 2015, 12:17:42 PM
its a terrible indictment of the current squad that players like Jagielka and Smalling are on the periphery.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on March 30, 2015, 12:21:51 PM
its a terrible indictment of the current squad that players like Jagielka and Smalling are on the periphery.

Are you saying they should or shouldn't be involved?

I really don't rate Smalling at this point in time. He's got years ahead of him, but personally I'm not a fan.

Jagielka is fine, but that's all he is. Fine. Nothing special.
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Post by: Albionic on March 30, 2015, 12:25:13 PM
Not saying they should or shouldn't,

in response to someone saying we could give anyone a game, I'm just saying that IMO we need better defenders before we could give the top countries a true test
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Post by: Mister AT on March 30, 2015, 12:46:52 PM
Not saying they should or shouldn't,

in response to someone saying we could give anyone a game, I'm just saying that IMO we need better defenders before we could give the top countries a true test

I agree mate, the best way to look at it is..

If we truely believe we can go all the way in a tournament, you have to beat the best teams. When you look at the line up Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Holland etc how many of our back 4 would demand a start in their first 11?
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Post by: Dan on March 30, 2015, 12:57:38 PM
I agree mate, the best way to look at it is..

If we truely believe we can go all the way in a tournament, you have to beat the best teams. When you look at the line up Germany, Spain, Italy, France, Holland etc how many of our back 4 would demand a start in their first 11?

Holland are a really good example of why England should do a lot better really, their team at the world cup was nothing special but a well organised team, playing to a suitable system with a good manager is extremely difficult to beat and they were penalties from a world cup final playing the likes of Ron Vlaar! Their only genuine world class player was Robben. The defence in particularly severely lacked quality.

Of course they also show how the opposite of those things can lead to a struggle because they're struggling to get to Euro 2016 even with the expanded 24 teams that make failure almost impossible.
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Post by: MarkW on March 30, 2015, 01:01:44 PM
Holland are a really good example of why England should do a lot better really, their team at the world cup was nothing special but a well organised team, playing to a suitable system with a good manager is extremely difficult to beat and they were penalties from a world cup final playing the likes of Ron Vlaar! Their only genuine world class player was Robben. The defence in particularly severely lacked quality.

Of course they also show how the opposite of those things can lead to a struggle because they're struggling to get to Euro 2016 even with the expanded 24 teams that make failure almost impossible.

Think you're being harsh on the Netherlands! Sneijder, Van Persie, Blind...all 'world class' players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 30, 2015, 01:11:53 PM
Think you're being harsh on the Netherlands! Sneijder, Van Persie, Blind...all 'world class' players.

Sneijder hasn't been world class in a long time, there's a reason he was sold for 7.5m Euro's a couple of years back. Van Persie's in decline, he certainly has world class moments but Man U fans weren't too happy with him a lot of the time last season. Blind is only world class if you have an extremely low bar for such a level.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 30, 2015, 02:02:00 PM
Sneijder hasn't been world class in a long time, there's a reason he was sold for 7.5m Euro's a couple of years back. Van Persie's in decline, he certainly has world class moments but Man U fans weren't too happy with him a lot of the time last season. Blind is only world class if you have an extremely low bar for such a level.

I would agree with your summary of those players to be honest.

I wouldnt call Blind world class, hes a good player but not world class. He was brought in at United to be that anchor man in the middle, and hes been replaced by Carrick, and moved to left wing back.

The same would be said of the England team, Rooney and possibly Hart excluded, we dont really have many 'world class' players. We have good players but not world class.
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Post by: Legend on March 30, 2015, 06:04:24 PM
Seven straight wins for the England team, shows how well Hodgson is doing.
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Post by: Legend on March 30, 2015, 10:09:42 PM
Great win for the England U21 team as they beat Germany 3-2. Things are looking good for the future of the national team. I really think England can win some major trophies in the next few years.
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Post by: Albionic on March 30, 2015, 10:15:05 PM
i wouldn't call Rooney or Hart world class.

Barcelona have 3 forwards I would rate higher than Rooney for starters
Hart is too erratic to be world class, he was ousted by the guy who is sunderlands keeper not so long ago.
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Post by: JDWest_Brom on March 31, 2015, 08:39:04 AM
Seven straight wins for the England team, shows how well Hodgson is doing.

Yeah, against Norway, Switzerland, San Marino, Estonia, Slovenia, Scotland and Lithuania. Teams we should expect to beat.

We face anybody of quality and we lose: Uruguay, Italy, Germany and Chile over the past couple of years.
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Post by: Mister AT on March 31, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
Great win for the England U21 team as they beat Germany 3-2. Things are looking good for the future of the national team. I really think England can win some major trophies in the next few years.

Not so sure about the winning the trophy bit, but last night was a good win, over a Germany team which had some big name players in it ( Can, Ter Stegen etc)

I like the look of the Under 21 team, it has some players with good technical ability, i.e Ward Prowse, Hughes.

As a country we just need to make sure the progression of the Under 21 lads continues an they get game time in the Premier league consistantly.
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Post by: CL3MO on March 31, 2015, 12:46:07 PM
i wouldn't call Rooney or Hart world class.

Barcelona have 3 forwards I would rate higher than Rooney for starters
Hart is too erratic to be world class, he was ousted by the guy who is sunderlands keeper not so long ago.

Are you telling me that no great keeper goes through a sticky patch of form? Even Courtois with Chelsea looked shaky for a stage. Van der sar at United struggled midway through his spell there. Khan, who is an absolute legend for Munich and the German nation team, has gone through a similar stage in his career.

Pantilimon is an average goalkeeper at Premier league level but however good Hart's understudy was (he could have been Brad Jones level), he was always going to come into the team at that time.
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Post by: PepeMel on March 31, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
Same old England put an half decent team in front of them and we look very ordinary indeed
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Post by: PepeMel on March 31, 2015, 08:36:35 PM
Both fullbacks poor , how many times has cline given the ball away, smalling should never in a million years be anywhere near that squad, Jones same could be said. Only Jagelka and Kane take any credit so far. Utter rubbish
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Post by: Dan on March 31, 2015, 08:39:34 PM
Hodgson's tactics to blame as much as anything. The team has clearly been told to go direct, get Walcott running behind them. Awful tactics.

I like him and he can be an effective manager but with some people who can actually be comfortable on the ball coming through, it'll be a farce if he's given an extension on his contract. Even moreso if its before the Euro's. 3 tournaments is enough for any manager I think.

I'm all for friendly experimentation but its kind of obvious things like Jones in midfield won't work. People like  Delph are not good enough on the ball to be playing international football either, after the Euro's, the likes of Will Hughes or Ward-Prowse should be in there instead.
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Post by: gerry m on March 31, 2015, 08:47:58 PM
Probably a good job Italy are not fielding a full strength side. Jones and Delph in midfield :o oh dear me.
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Post by: Legend on March 31, 2015, 09:23:42 PM
1-1, great goal by Andros Townsend. Get in.   8)
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Post by: tuamigos on March 31, 2015, 09:31:01 PM
not a bad game to be fair, had our chances to win it
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Post by: stokelad84 on March 31, 2015, 09:52:38 PM
England had enough good chances to win the game. Looking good going forward.
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Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 31, 2015, 11:01:52 PM
A neutral Kurdistan bloke just told me that England should have won. That'll do me. Maybe we shouldn't just focus on our teams performance.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 01, 2015, 08:10:36 AM
a vast improvement in the second half
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Post by: Mister AT on April 01, 2015, 08:44:33 AM
Looked much better when he changed it round after half time and brought Carrick into the middle, and the introduction of Barkley really opened us up.

Still find it very bizzare that a player of Carricks quality has less caps than players like Crouch and Milner.
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Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 01, 2015, 09:58:27 AM
Our issue is the back line is so poor that we have to concentrate on offering them too much protection from midfield, if we had more quality at the back we wouldn't be too bad. I fear for us when we play better quality in a tournament.

With all that said Hodgson will learn more from last night than he will have from any of the easy qualification games so far.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 10:55:26 AM
What games are up and comming in June?
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Post by: leeiswba on May 21, 2015, 11:18:35 AM
What games are up and comming in June?

Ireland and Slovenia away
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Post by: Legend on May 21, 2015, 11:53:20 AM
Heard Tom Cleverley might be in the squad.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2015, 12:42:22 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32823264

QPR striker Charlie Austin has been named in Roy Hodgson's England squad to play the Republic of Ireland and Slovenia in June.

Austin, 25, has scored 17 Premier League goals this season.

Everton defender Leighton Baines is out with an ankle injury, while Tottenham striker Harry Kane is on Under-21 duty.

England, who are unbeaten in nine games, play the Republic of Ireland in Dublin on 7 June before a Euro 2016 qualifier in Slovenia a week later.

Goalkeepers: Rob Green (Queens Park Rangers), Joe Hart (Manchester City), Tom Heaton (Burnley),

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Southampton), Kieran Gibbs (Arsenal), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Phil Jones (Manchester United), Chris Smalling (Manchester United).

Midfielders: Ross Barkley (Everton), Fabian Delph (Aston Villa), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), Ryan Mason (Tottenham), James Milner (Manchester City), Raheem Sterling (Liverpool), Andros Townsend (Tottenham Hotspur), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Jack Wilshere (Arsenal).

Forwards: Charlie Austin (Queens Park Rangers), Wayne Rooney (Manchester United), Jamie Vardy (Leicester) Danny Welbeck (Arsenal).
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Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 12:45:04 PM
Christ, Jamie Vardy?!

I was just about to say how I actually think the squad looks fairly decent - a good blend of players who have done well this season (Clyne, Bertrand, Heaton) and the usual Hodgson stalwarts.

Don't think Townsend has done much at Spurs this season, but he tends to do well for England
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 12:45:58 PM
how the heck does Chris smalling keep getting picked, oh i forgot he plays for Man Ure
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Post by: AlbionFan on May 21, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
Vardy is a surprise inclusion, perhaps TP did see something in him after all, Have to admit I like the lad.
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Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 12:51:29 PM
how the heck does Chris smalling keep getting picked, oh i forgot he plays for Man Ure

To be fair, and I'm don't rate him much either, he has actually done quite well for Man Utd these past few weeks. Definitely improved.
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Post by: BobTaylor on May 21, 2015, 01:11:55 PM
As much as i admire Vardy work rate and effort to be called up for England is slightly worrying although i suspect he wont get much game time.
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Post by: OldburyWBA on May 21, 2015, 01:19:22 PM
Shortage of strikers to be fair with Ings, Kane and Saido away with the Under 21's. I guess the squad may have been a bit different if a few of those going to the Czech Republic could have been called up.

I'm surprised Ryan Shawcross doesn't get much of a chance.
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Post by: robbo_wba on May 21, 2015, 01:23:34 PM
I wouldn't worry about Vardy getting picked, he's only in because 3 strikers that would have been in are in the 21s.

Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Kane, Ings, Berahino, Austin... I make him 8th choice at best.
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Post by: Mister AT on May 21, 2015, 01:41:03 PM
I would probably add Sterling and Walcott into the strikers line up before I gave Vardy a cap, and thats nothing against Vardy.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 21, 2015, 01:55:44 PM
I wouldn't worry about Vardy getting picked, he's only in because 3 strikers that would have been in are in the 21s.

Rooney, Sturridge, Welbeck, Kane, Ings, Berahino, Austin... I make him 8th choice at best.

Remember you saying you went to Italy the other month, you going to these pair?
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Post by: Dan on May 21, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
how the heck does Chris smalling keep getting picked, oh i forgot he plays for Man Ure

Smalling has been excellent for man u ever since that sending off against city. On form he should be starting for England.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 02:28:23 PM
Reg Vardy, thats another couple of million on his price tag, possibly out of our reach now then
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Post by: DaveWBA on May 21, 2015, 03:53:39 PM
An England squad containing relegated players and a call up for a striker with more bookings than goals this season.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 03:58:32 PM
An England squad containing relegated players and a call up for a striker with more bookings than goals this season.


you could say thoses relegated players will be with premier league clubs next season
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 03:58:49 PM
An England squad containing relegated players and a call up for a striker with more bookings than goals this season.

RE: Green and Heaton - Foster, Forster and Butland would all be ahead of them I would expect. The first two are out injured, the third on U21 duty.

Austin deserves a call-up based on his goalscoring record in a team that has been relegated. Would could he do with a decent midfield behind him?
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2015, 06:19:00 PM
Any of you got to spend the day behind bars when we play Ireland :D
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Post by: leeiswba on May 26, 2015, 07:08:13 PM
Going to both the away games Ireland and Slovenia the week after, 2 nights in both countries. Think there will be tonnes of English in Dublin, loads in the Irish end.
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Post by: albion61 on May 28, 2015, 10:26:09 AM
doing the same but flying to belfast then train to dublin
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Post by: BobTaylor on May 30, 2015, 07:51:45 PM
Thats what England need to use as a model in my eyes the way arsenal play when there free flowing, efficient and effective for tournament football, Stick theo upfront pack the midfield full of technically gifted players have a holding midfielder and let the wing backs bomb forward basically let everyone who has abilty to rome around and express themselves within reason. Rooney is wonderful player and has had a very good career but we need to build now for the future and hes someone in my eyes that delays that. Take the brakes off and give it a go there was signs in the world cup but its something we should be practicing everytime we get together.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 05, 2015, 08:38:32 AM
Whos off to Ireland
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on June 05, 2015, 09:37:08 AM
Whos off to Ireland

Im flying out tomorrow morning from Birmingham and return Monday evening, can't wait!
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 05, 2015, 09:54:27 AM
Im flying out tomorrow morning from Birmingham and return Monday evening, can't wait!


Lucky you :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 07, 2015, 08:24:36 AM
Come on England, No surrendor.
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Post by: tuamigos on June 07, 2015, 02:37:44 PM
chyte game
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Post by: gerry m on June 07, 2015, 02:55:29 PM
Finished 0-0 with the ROI. Lot of huff and puff but not too much quality. Not suprising really at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ronnie_allen on June 07, 2015, 02:57:37 PM
Finished 0-0 with the ROI. Lot of huff and puff but not too much quality. Not suprising really at the end of the season.
Just a warm up for both teams. Ireland be happy with defensive solidity. England probably holding back a bit.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 07, 2015, 03:07:00 PM
A lot of football being played yearly now for the top players bar the odd couple weeks here and there it's a schedule packed full of matches but mainly training,  I'm sure coaches access each player differently very busy indeed for these players I would say year round because I don't class 2 weeks here and there as sufficient rest.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on June 07, 2015, 03:08:39 PM
'Friendly' or not, Paul Scholes summed it up perfectly from this spectator's perspective.

What a waste of an afternoon.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 07, 2015, 04:45:13 PM
I browsed through the Argos catalogue instead. There really is an amazing amount of crap on offer. A bit like the footie actually.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBArgo on June 07, 2015, 06:17:44 PM
I do like Hodgson but at the same time, his approach to England is becoming tiresome.
We shouldn't have the likes of  Vardy playing, or Cleverly near the team when they're nowhere near good enough. It's all nice and romantic for the likes of Vardy but he's bang average. At the same time, games like these should be viewed as tests for players who are on the fringes of the team. NOT, players who will never contribute anything to an England tournament.


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Post by: ChrisRedditch on June 07, 2015, 06:31:39 PM
Should have been played behind closed doors like any other training match.
Not right to charge the public to watch dross like that.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 07, 2015, 06:36:30 PM
I do like Hodgson but at the same time, his approach to England is becoming tiresome.
We shouldn't have the likes of  Vardy playing, or Cleverly near the team when they're nowhere near good enough. It's all nice and romantic for the likes of Vardy but he's bang average. At the same time, games like these should be viewed as tests for players who are on the fringes of the team. NOT, players who will never contribute anything to an England tournament.

Out of interest - who should have gone instead of Vardy? Baring in mind Berahino and Kane are featuring for the Under 21s.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBArgo on June 07, 2015, 06:54:02 PM
Out of interest - who should have gone instead of Vardy? Baring in mind Berahino and Kane are featuring for the Under 21s.
I get your point, the quality isn't there like it was with Sven (midfielders like Lampard, Gerrard, Beckham and Scholes would be the best players in the current squad, and the defense was far superior too).

Personally I'd have used Austin more than Vardy, as I believe he has a genuine future with England. Austin is 25, whereas Vardy is 28. Realistically, Vardy won't get anywhere near a tournament for England, whilst there's a good chance Austin will. Then there's Walcott who should have came on in Vardy's place as a striker.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 07, 2015, 07:50:52 PM
We have done very well in this group so far infact i heard a commentator saying we could clinch qualification even before the second set of games with a win on Sunday, whether people think that is an achievement or not i think it is and we have done very well, Now ask me that 10 years ago and i would have said its massively small time, Funny how things change but that's how it goes .

We are not going to win it next summer as most know by now, But we need to find a way and a style that can get us as far as possible and give us the best chance of competing, Is it with Rooney upfront ? Is it with Wilshere playing in this holding role ? Milner taking up one of the wings ?. All big questions for me that the people getting paid to work out need to have a look at and a think.

Without having any worldly players we do have alot of very good players with alot of pace and excitement about there game in forward positions, Getting a good balance maybe there is potential there however we are country miles off putting it into place for some reason.

I personally would like to see, Townsend, The Ox, Walcott, Welbeck, Sterling, Young and more all in and around the team, We arent going to win it so why persist with the same approach, the last world cup showed signs for me i just hope we dont get put off by it and go back to the normal safely safely approach.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 07, 2015, 07:59:05 PM
People still insisting Arry would do a better job  ::).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 07, 2015, 08:21:55 PM
Rooney at centre forward drives me potty.  He is much better in the number 10 role or in the centre of at attacking midfield of a 4-2-3-1 where he can get involved in the game.  It was a perfect opportunity to see Charlie Austin in the centre forward role.


Have to say what is the point of this friendly and the qualifier next week at this stage of the season when the players just look like they want to go on holiday.  There should be a slot somewhere during the season to play these games.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on June 07, 2015, 08:24:20 PM
People still insisting Arry would do a better job  ::).

Arry would be more entertaining at least in his pre and post match interviews. Would get us all a bit more interested again I think.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 08, 2015, 07:41:57 AM
The sooner Hodgson goes the better, his football doesnt suit the international game.He aint exactly pulling up trees in tournements is he
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Floydy on June 08, 2015, 09:11:56 AM
I think the problem is, should the FA get rid of Hodgson, that they're lining up Southgate for the next Manager - If this were to happen, I think it would continue our stint in International wilderness
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 08, 2015, 10:02:44 AM
i await the backlash but someone like Tim Sherwood for me
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kc56wba on June 08, 2015, 10:09:23 AM
i await the backlash but someone like Tim Sherwood for me
You been drinking mate? Sherwood!!!!!!!!! FFS. His head wouldn't get through the door at the FA's HQ.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Floydy on June 08, 2015, 10:39:25 AM
To be honest - I think you need a figurehead that the nation can get behind, rather than an amazing coach.

Becks & Neville together for me
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on June 08, 2015, 10:43:35 AM
To be honest - I think you need a figurehead that the nation can get behind, rather than an amazing coach.

Becks & Neville together for me

Went down that road with Kevin Keegan.
While I realise that doesn't mean automatic failure in future, I'd be surprised if the FA were to go down that route again.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Floydy on June 08, 2015, 10:51:25 AM
I think the thing is, the squad we had a couple of years ago the strongest squad we've had for a number of years and was led by arguably the strongest most experienced coach in Capello; and that still didn't work.

I think the FA has to reignite the nation's passion for international football and appoint a figurehead who the country and perhaps more importantly,the media can get behind and get everybody "believing" again
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 08, 2015, 10:56:46 AM
Roy Hodgson is not popular with most fans, hes your typical FA safeie who will at best get to the qtr finals.
The last world cup finals he should have gone, any other nation would have sacked him for that performance
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on June 12, 2015, 09:01:40 PM
Off to Slovenia in the morning, hope to God the game is better than last week possibly the worst I've ever attended!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: albiontilidie on June 12, 2015, 09:30:58 PM
Off to Slovenia in the morning, hope to God the game is better than last week possibly the worst I've ever attended!

It cant be any worse
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 14, 2015, 03:45:31 PM
Pretty much qualified if we win today
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2015, 05:40:27 PM
1-0 Slovenia
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2015, 05:59:02 PM
That throw in from Phil Jones

Jesus christ   ::)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2015, 06:16:20 PM
1-1 Another cracker from Wilshere
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2015, 06:16:25 PM
Shocking defending for the goal :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2015, 06:19:14 PM
How did Rooney miss that!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2015, 06:32:48 PM
1-2 Another cracker from Wilshere  :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2015, 06:40:00 PM
The guy should have gone for that elbow on Rooney!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2015, 06:43:47 PM
2-2
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2015, 06:44:06 PM
The guy should have gone for that elbow on Rooney!

Bostjan Cesar always did have a wild side  :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 14, 2015, 06:45:11 PM
2-3 ROONEY !!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2015, 06:47:16 PM
Was sitting in the garden with a crappy connection so I've only seen bits and bobs of the second half. Watch since te 75th, how's it been? Seems a great ending at least!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 14, 2015, 06:50:33 PM
Bostjan Cesar always did have a wild side  :D

Yeah!  :D. He can consider himself lucky! 2nd half has been very entertaing.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 14, 2015, 06:53:47 PM
We are doing very well at the moment won all our games and that game was fantastic to watch. Belters from wilshere.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Foster#1 on June 14, 2015, 06:58:27 PM
Was sitting in the garden with a crappy connection so I've only seen bits and bobs of the second half. Watch since te 75th, how's it been? Seems a great ending at least!

Where do you live?! Abroad ?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on June 14, 2015, 07:53:13 PM
Where do you live?! Abroad ?

Nope same place as me Cornwall...its gorgeous down here today!

infact he lives about 2-3 miles from me in the next village
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2015, 08:18:35 PM
Lucky for some.

Been pissing it down in Oldbury for the large part.

Quite enjoyed the England game actually - quite a good performance in the second half. We looked a much better side when Lallana came on. Someone to link the play between Rooney and Wilshere etc.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggies_24 on June 14, 2015, 09:35:31 PM
I really like the way we attack as a team, very direct, quick and tricky with decent options out wide and up front. If only we had an upgrade on Jordan Henderson as a ball winning midfielder, we badly need some decent centre halfs to come through the ranks as well, Smalling and Cahill aren't good enough, Slovenia had 3 shots on target and scored 2 goals, worrying to to think what decent attacking lineups would do to us.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2015, 09:58:36 PM
Nope same place as me Cornwall...its gorgeous down here today!

infact he lives about 2-3 miles from me in the next village

Yes and we still haven't met up! I wish I met up with you for that Man U game but it bloody clashed with something! We should have a pint this summer at a beach bar somewhere.

And the connection didn't get to us in the garden as I'm in an old Cornish cottage with thick granite walls, ruins the wireless signal!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 14, 2015, 11:01:35 PM
Yes and we still haven't met up! I wish I met up with you for that Man U game but it bloody clashed with something! We should have a pint this summer at a beach bar somewhere.

And the connection didn't get to us in the garden as I'm in an old Cornish cottage with thick granite walls, ruins the wireless signal!
Ever heard of a tv. It's all the rage apparently. :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 14, 2015, 11:43:07 PM
Ever heard of a tv. It's all the rage apparently. :D

TV ws inside and the sun was outside, that is where the problem was! So I chose laptop in the garden!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on June 15, 2015, 09:16:15 AM
Been to Slovenia a couple of times.  Nice place and nice people.  A bit like Wales (but as I said with nice people ;).

Issue for us though is it has a population of some 2.5m people as opposed to our 60m.  We did play well, but we need some proportion as to how good we are.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 15, 2015, 10:03:48 AM
Been to Slovenia a couple of times.  Nice place and nice people.  A bit like Wales (but as I said with nice people ;).

Issue for us though is it has a population of some 2.5m people as opposed to our 60m.  We did play well, but we need some proportion as to how good we are.

All down to the individual, Anyone thinking we will win something or come close are in for big disappointment unfortunately and that's exactly what they feel hence all the trouble around the pubs when we get knocked out.

I shouldn't see why we cant progress from a group and be competitive in the quarters, Do i think we can and should be doing better ? Of course i do personally but whats to say that the tweaks to the team that we all suggest would come off, There is just no way of knowing.

If you wanted to be completely ridiculous and compare us to the favorites for next summers euros you could say that the Germans would of been 3-0 up by half time with the chances we squandered.

On a positive note it was a very entertaining match yesterday and i think we have done extremely well in this group so far, Good luck to the under 21s for there first game in the tournament on Thursday to, Anyone know if its on sky ?.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on June 15, 2015, 10:23:21 AM
Yes and we still haven't met up! I wish I met up with you for that Man U game but it bloody clashed with something! We should have a pint this summer at a beach bar somewhere.

And the connection didn't get to us in the garden as I'm in an old Cornish cottage with thick granite walls, ruins the wireless signal!

Absolutely fella...all for that!

I also live in a thick granite wall cottage...I lose all signal!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on June 15, 2015, 10:26:23 AM
Good luck to the under 21s for there first game in the tournament on Thursday to, Anyone know if its on sky ?.

B.T Sport 1.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 15, 2015, 10:28:24 AM
Absolutely fella...all for that!

I also live in a thick granite wall cottage...I lose all signal!

Yeah no chance of streaming live TV in the garden! Coolio i'll check things out and see when i'm free!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on June 15, 2015, 10:41:42 AM
Yeah no chance of streaming live TV in the garden! Coolio i'll check things out and see when i'm free!

All good fella.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionFan on June 15, 2015, 11:30:54 AM
TV ws inside and the sun was outside, that is where the problem was! So I chose laptop in the garden!

Have you considered Poweline Adaptors, like the Develo unit that I use.

They are connected to your router and then into a power socket turning your ring main into a wifi signal carrier, thus extending the range of your WiFi.

For a more detail spec on these gadgets Google "powerline Adaptors" some are quite reasonably priced and a couple should do the job for you.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on June 15, 2015, 12:46:47 PM
Have you considered Poweline Adaptors, like the Develo unit that I use.

They are connected to your router and then into a power socket turning your ring main into a wifi signal carrier, thus extending the range of your WiFi.

For a more detail spec on these gadgets Google "powerline Adaptors" some are quite reasonably priced and a couple should do the job for you.

I agree powerline adapters are decent.

You could also get a decent Access Point, turn off your wifi on your router and use your seperate AP, they tend to have better signal
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2015, 02:11:13 PM
Sad thing for me is that after yesterdays performance, a lot of people seemed relatively pleased. Obviously a win is the main thing, but as a performance it was very sloppy.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2015, 02:26:20 PM
some think we are going to win the world cup again
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: johnny Cash on June 15, 2015, 03:10:03 PM
Sad thing for me is that after yesterdays performance, a lot of people seemed relatively pleased. Obviously a win is the main thing, but as a performance it was very sloppy.

Agreed. When we go out of a tournament, the attitude is always questioned, which I think is unfair sometimes as in the main I don't think you can get to that level without caring. Body language will never be great when losing or low on confidence.

We just don't have the talent / ability to win an international tournament. We might beat one of the big guns on our day, but Germany had to beat France, Brazil and Argentina to win the world cup. We wouldnt beat 3 consecutively.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 24, 2015, 09:29:49 PM
I see the under 21s are being thoroughly outclassed on the big stage..
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 24, 2015, 09:31:48 PM
I see the under 21s are being thoroughly outclassed on the big stage..

It's been dire. Poor defensively and poor up top. they needed Saido badly tonight.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 24, 2015, 09:35:08 PM
Tonight's result is a real shame, Southgate had done a terrific job before this tournament so I hope there's no kneejerk reactions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 24, 2015, 09:39:13 PM
The fact Ward-Prowse or Loftus-Cheek can not get a start in this side is mind boggling.

The problems in English football are much bigger than Gareth Southgate. Still, what on earth possessed Dan Ashworth to appoint either Southgate or Aidy Bothroyd is beyond me.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 24, 2015, 09:40:30 PM
Tonight's result is a real shame, Southgate had done a terrific job before this tournament so I hope there's no kneejerk reactions.

Well all 3 games have been a shame i think. Really poor in all 3. They looked great in qualifying, losing Saido was a blow but there should've been enough there to get things done. I'm not sure what to think about thi=e next generation after this, i had thought the future was bright.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on June 24, 2015, 09:44:57 PM
Same old England, great in qualifying and crap in tournaments.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on June 24, 2015, 09:47:35 PM
Well at least Berahino comes out of all this looking a lot better. Ings looks like a championship player, and teams attack fell apart without him. He's a much more intelligent player than virtually everyone else in that squad and it really showed how much they missed him making space for others and also has a lethal finish on him, something desperately lacking in that team.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 24, 2015, 09:49:13 PM
Well that's summer sorted. I so need a break from our overrated players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 24, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
Really dissapointing.

Commentator along with 30 million or so people say we are not good enough myself included should we just accept this as the reason or should we be doing better ? It's a tough one for me, I think they get paid so much that they would rather take the summers for themselves, sad but true, Southgate looked like he had he's life earnings on it from the start not the picture of a man who enjoys the job.

Onto the game from a footballing point of view the Italians were fully deserving much better technically, vision, passing, control, shooting, pretty much most aspects of attacking play.

 :(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 24, 2015, 10:10:23 PM
until the FA change tack on coaching we will continue to turn out workman like  "energy/ physical" based sides / tactics,
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 24, 2015, 10:14:53 PM
Our players are just so over rated.  Its criminal how we (press and fans) build them up so much and that includes our senior players.  We have become a nation of average players who will struggle to qualify for tournaments in the near future unless the Premier League changes and brings in clauses to ensure young English players are given every chance and cheap average foreign imports are stopped.  We will become a Scotland and Republic of Ireland and will just be happy to qualify.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 25, 2015, 09:04:37 AM
another failure and he wants to keep his job
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on June 25, 2015, 09:10:16 AM
Had the most shots out of any team in the tournament  :o. Conversion rate of 3.50 % hugely embarrassing.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: seteefeet on June 25, 2015, 10:16:16 AM
Our players are just so over rated.  Its criminal how we (press and fans) build them up so much and that includes our senior players.  We have become a nation of average players who will struggle to qualify for tournaments in the near future unless the Premier League changes and brings in clauses to ensure young English players are given every chance and cheap average foreign imports are stopped.  We will become a Scotland and Republic of Ireland and will just be happy to qualify.
Nail on head!
The Greed league may be the best paid and the most watched, but that is down to marketing not talent.
Let's face it, technically it is pretty abysmal. We complain week in week out about not being able to string 3 passes together and we finished 13th!
I agree with trying to bring kids through the ranks, but until the coaching improves we will still keep churning out the same dross, that can compete and even shine in the greed league, but get embarrassed on the world stage by lesser paid, but superior players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 26, 2015, 01:05:42 PM
Great engine,
Runs all day,
Heart of a lion,
Box to box player ....
This is what we excelled at, unfortunately the rest of the world caught up (40 years ago),

technically gifted,
highly skilled,
accurate,
comfortable in possession.....
We do not compete in these areas and our coaches do not know how to make us competitive at this facets of the game,
The FA need to wake up and change our coaching organisations, a min of 12months at a foreign club should be a pre-requisite for advancement as a coach IMO.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on June 26, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
Dan Ashworth was on 5Live yesterday or the day before talking about the England setup. Reading what he said, I wish he was still with us!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33276276

England made the right decision to omit some of their Premier League players in the European Under-21 Championship, says Football Association director of elite development Dan Ashworth.

Gareth Southgate's side went out in the group stage in the Czech Republic.

"We made the decision and I back it," Ashworth told the BBC's senior football reporter Ian Dennis.

"Youth teams are there to help develop players and give them experience to get into the seniors."

Liverpool forward Raheem Sterling, Everton midfielder Ross Barkley, Arsenal midfielders Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Jack Wilshere and Manchester United defender Phil Jones were among those eligible but not called up.

Ashworth added: "Those players are established internationals. It's like being a first-team player and asking them to come back and play in the U21s. It's not necessarily the right thing to do.

"The players who hadn't competed in the two-year cycle and lead-up to the European Championship wouldn't be considered.

"The debate will be reopened now but we stand by the decision Gareth and I made. You never know when you drop players into a new group whether it'll be the right thing to do."

England, who had Premier League quality in Tottenham striker Harry Kane, Everton defender John Stones and new Liverpool forward Danny Ings, lost 1-0 to Portugal, beat Sweden by the same score but then lost 3-1 to Italy.

Ashworth had a key role in the FA introducing proposals - the 'England DNA programme' - in December aimed at improving England's prospects at major tournaments.

The plan is to co-ordinate the style, formation and tactics from the under-15 side upwards. And he believes improvements can be seen already.

"I don't want to hide behind the fact we're devastated to have been eliminated in the group stages," Ashworth said. "We're disappointed with the group that we hoped and thought might go a bit further. But there are some success stories.

"In order to win things at senior level, we need to develop players who can deal with the ball in all areas of the pitch. We have to prioritise that in the development teams.

"They're young players and they'll make mistakes - it will cost us games. We have to accept that. We can't after six months say that's wrong, let's just crash it down the other end as quickly as we can.

"We're starting to see a different kind of player come through the system now. Three years into EPPP [Elite Player Performance Plan] we're seeing players more capable with the ball. I believe it will stand us in good stead in years to come. Is it too soon now to see that? Yes, perhaps."

FA chairman Greg Dyke set a target in 2013 for England to win the World Cup by 2022 and Ashworth is adamant that this remains a realistic goal.
"Yes I do believe that," he said. "I genuinely believe we have a lot of good young players in the system. We have the pathways getting better at clubs and international level.

"We've introduced an Under-15s, 18s and 20s in the past 12 months because we recognise we need to give our players more big-game experience.
"You've seen at this tournament we need players who are able to make decisions at the top level in the big games in order to win tournaments. But that takes time - it doesn't happen overnight.

"We're all doing the right things but we need to sit tight and be a little patient and let it run its course. I'm convinced it will."

[Article continues with BBC pundits]
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 26, 2015, 03:35:51 PM
I agree the highlighted bits are encouraging, however i would also point out Dyke saying "We're all doing the right things" smacks of complacency and maybe arrogance.

You can always do better and if you stop trying to you will not be the best.

I'm sure we all hope that Dan's strategy pays off but it should always be under review IMO.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: seteefeet on June 26, 2015, 04:10:59 PM
"In order to win things at senior level, we need to develop players who can deal with the ball in all areas of the pitch. We have to prioritise that in the development teams.

"We're starting to see a different kind of player come through the system now. Three years into EPPP [Elite Player Performance Plan] we're seeing players more capable with the ball. I believe it will stand us in good stead in years to come. Is it too soon now to see that? Yes, perhaps."

I agree with the first bit, but can see no evidence of the second and I can't see how it will come to be. PL teams have to develop players that are suitable for the PL and technically good, maverick style players do not fit that brief, they are considered a risk or a luxury and end up warming the bench, at best!
I may be wrong but from talking to mates who follow kid's football, nothing has changed from when I was a kid and if a kid stands head and shoulders above his peers in stature he is snapped up, while the kid who is head and shoulders above in ability is left behind.
A massive step change is needed but, whilst the greed league is the be all and end all, no club will be able to take the risk.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on June 26, 2015, 04:17:18 PM
I'd disagree with that. Thinking about the top 5 or 6 clubs, there is a real emphasis on technical ability to try to compete with the European giants. Teams like Arsenal have very gifted, technical players (Wilshere, Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain etc), and the same for Chelsea (Hazard, Oscar, Fabregas). Liverpool under Rodgers seek to play with skillful players like Sterling and Coutinho, so I do think we're getting there.

The problem is seen further down the league where there's a lot of pressure to get results (not to say there isn't at the top!), and when you're fighting for survival it's harder to justify the inclusion of younger, less experienced players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: seteefeet on June 26, 2015, 04:31:28 PM
I'd disagree with that. Thinking about the top 5 or 6 clubs, there is a real emphasis on technical ability to try to compete with the European giants. Teams like Arsenal have very gifted, technical players (Wilshere, Sanchez, Ozil, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain etc), and the same for Chelsea (Hazard, Oscar, Fabregas). Liverpool under Rodgers seek to play with skillful players like Sterling and Coutinho, so I do think we're getting there.

The problem is seen further down the league where there's a lot of pressure to get results (not to say there isn't at the top!), and when you're fighting for survival it's harder to justify the inclusion of younger, less experienced players.
You are right and I did think about it as I was writing it, what I should have said is that no team outside the top 6, or the 'soup' as I like to call it, can afford to take the risk.
The fact that the top 6 are trying to improve may make it even worse, as the rest of us may become more combative and negative in order to compete.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on June 26, 2015, 04:58:18 PM
To be fair some of the youth teams technical ability is pretty high, I watched the under 17 Euro's this year and England were a far better team than Italy, and on par with Holland.

The issues we see now are a mixture of players not developing past 18, which is partly due to clubs refusing to give players a chance (something we ourselves are guilty of) and also a lack of developing game intelligence, which I guess links to  the first point. It's all well and good being technical but if you don't know how to adjust to suit the needs of the game, its not much use. Against Sweden for example it was clear with everyone sitting back we needed to move the ball quickly and start playing quick one two's round the box, otherwise you'll never hurt the opposition defence. Only when Loftus-Cheek came on did we have a player who seemed to understand what needed to happen.

The other huge problem we see with English football is an inherent inferiority complex. Look, even if England aren't the greatest team, they're a good team. Good players. Costa Rica were a penalty shoot out from the semi-finals. You do not have to have the greatest players to do decent in tournaments. But at every level of English football, apart from for some reason the under 17's, we lost in tournament games to teams we perceive to be better than ourselves. Instead of playing the game, we try and play the opposition. Look at Southgate, he cowered away from playing the technical players like Ward-Prowse in favour of regimented, uninspired robots like Forster-Caskey and Chalobah (who were both awful).

It's a huge problem with the senior team. The team is TERRIFIED of anyone good. Pirlo was rubbish at the world cup, apart from against England who gave him all the time in the world because we gave him far too much respect. Costa Rica just swamped him and he couldn't handle it. Pretty much anytime England play a good player they do well because we just show far too much respect. The other big thing is England lack any streetwise ability at all. Knowing when to slow the game down, the dark arts South American teams excel at. Before the next tournament the team could do with a week with Pulis to teach them some of the things we so naively lack, and of course set pieces.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 26, 2015, 06:24:03 PM
Personaly speaking are these players hungry enough?. The English 'Lad' culture of Boozing and smoking doesnt help. Finishing bottom of the group with only 2 goals from 3 games, i believe i read England only had a total of 6 shots on target in 3 games. Pretty poor if that is true.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 27, 2015, 05:03:47 PM
Personaly speaking are these players hungry enough?. The English 'Lad' culture of Boozing and smoking doesnt help. Finishing bottom of the group with only 2 goals from 3 games, i believe i read England only had a total of 6 shots on target in 3 games. Pretty poor if that is true.

No they're not.

Players nowadays in general are not hungry enough because at the age of 18/19/20 they're capable of picking up £20,000 a week or more. I don't know about anybody else, but if I had that much money coming into my bank account every week then I wouldn't give a crap about the football, I'd be out partying and doing exactly what I do now.

The power of the game will not change in this country - young academy products won't be given a chance, especially in the Premier League because the rewards are so great.

Why would Chelsea want to play Loftus-Cheek or Issiah Brown when they can go and sign someone from the continent for £20million who is way ahead of them in their development.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on July 26, 2015, 08:25:03 PM
Roy's after a new deal. A good show at the Euro's then I'd give him till the World Cup at least.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
Roy's after a new deal. A good show at the Euro's then I'd give him till the World Cup at least.

There is no obvious replacement. So I wouldn't have a problem with Roy's deal being extended.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2015, 09:55:24 AM
England 8th in current world rankings, Wales 9th :o Romaina 7th :o , no spain in the top ten. i dont get these rankings
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
Arsenal’s Jack Wilshere facing lengthy layoff with leg injury, England midfielder has suspected hairline fracture of his left fibula and is expected to miss England’s qualifiers in September.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/05/arsenal-jack-wilshere-injury-england (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/05/arsenal-jack-wilshere-injury-england)

But is not expected to require surgery.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jack-wilshere-unlikely-to-need-surgery-on-ankle-injury-but-arsenal-midfielder-will-miss-england-internationals-10442476.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jack-wilshere-unlikely-to-need-surgery-on-ankle-injury-but-arsenal-midfielder-will-miss-england-internationals-10442476.html)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 12:37:55 PM
Arsenal’s Jack Wilshere facing lengthy layoff with leg injury, England midfielder has suspected hairline fracture of his left fibula and is expected to miss England’s qualifiers in September.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/05/arsenal-jack-wilshere-injury-england (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/05/arsenal-jack-wilshere-injury-england)

But is not expected to require surgery.

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jack-wilshere-unlikely-to-need-surgery-on-ankle-injury-but-arsenal-midfielder-will-miss-england-internationals-10442476.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/jack-wilshere-unlikely-to-need-surgery-on-ankle-injury-but-arsenal-midfielder-will-miss-england-internationals-10442476.html)

Could this affect Gnabry loan???
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on August 06, 2015, 12:40:02 PM
Could this affect Gnabry loan???

Not really the same position or type of player.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 12:40:56 PM
Could this affect Gnabry loan???

Wouldn't have thought so, he is a wide player whereas Wilshere is more central.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 13, 2015, 08:26:07 AM
Do you think its unfair the FA coming out and saying if England flop in the Euros next year roys going to loose his job.
What would you say is success for England in France Quarters?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 01, 2015, 08:30:59 AM
are we all excited with the forth coming England games, san marino saturday
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on September 01, 2015, 08:43:46 AM
are we all excited with the forth coming England games, san marino saturday

I'll be there, looking forward to the weekend in Rimini and a chance to see San Marino where I probably would never go if it wasn't for the football more than the game as you probably can imagine.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2015, 12:03:55 PM
wales above england in the rankings :o ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scruffy Stan on September 03, 2015, 12:43:14 PM
wales above england in the rankings :o ;D
Gareth Bale above England in the rankings.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2015, 12:44:56 PM
Gareth Bale above England in the rankings.


very true :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: robbo_wba on September 03, 2015, 01:00:09 PM
I'll be there, looking forward to the weekend in Rimini and a chance to see San Marino where I probably would never go if it wasn't for the football more than the game as you probably can imagine.

See you on the beach in Rimini!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
so with us playing San Marino and most likely a goal feast Rooney is most likely to beat Bobby Charltons record, sad really
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: robbo_wba on September 03, 2015, 05:56:18 PM
so with us playing San Marino and most likely a goal feast Rooney is most likely to beat Bobby Charltons record, sad really

Not really. Bobby had similar sort of games, as does everyone else;

Charlton scored hat tricks against Luxembourg and USA (who we beat 10-0 and 80-1 and weren't anywhere near as competitive as they are now).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 03, 2015, 07:04:53 PM
Not really. Bobby had similar sort of games, as does everyone else;

Charlton scored hat tricks against Luxembourg and USA (who we beat 10-0 and 80-1 and weren't anywhere near as competitive as they are now).
80-1?? Who scored the one?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2015, 04:50:08 PM
so with us playing San Marino and most likely a goal feast Rooney is most likely to beat Bobby Charltons record, sad really

1 of Rooney's 48 goals have been in victories with a margin of 7+, compared to 13 of Charlton's 49....

Rooney has 6 in 16 international tournament games. Charlton had 5 in 15...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 04, 2015, 05:20:59 PM
Ask yourself; Would Sir Bobby trade his bit of gold to keep that record?

You could argue Rooney has played more games for England in an advanced role.

Records like most goals and caps are not as special as what they were.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on September 04, 2015, 05:25:21 PM
You can only score in the era that you play in.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 05, 2015, 12:24:47 AM
Doesn't matter how many he gets, he'll never touch Greaves or Lineker or even Owen at the top of his game.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 05, 2015, 12:28:40 AM
Greavsie...One of the better "goal hangers"
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on September 05, 2015, 08:24:27 AM
He'll get the record this week. It's a shame that we don't appreciate him as much as we should but the romance of football isn't what it was. I'll congratulate him for what is a great achievement.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 05, 2015, 10:39:06 AM
He'll get the record this week. It's a shame that we don't appreciate him as much as we should but the romance of football isn't what it was. I'll congratulate him for what is a great achievement.

Its the modern thing of build them up over the top early doors only to knock them for the rest of their career.

Excellent player Rooney is
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 05, 2015, 05:00:24 PM
Its the modern thing of build them up over the top early doors only to knock them for the rest of their career.

Excellent player Rooney is

I think Rooney is massively overrated, and it's not because of this.

You look at his early career, and he had the potential to be as good as Messi or Ronaldo are. But he didn't do that. Instead, he decided (or was convinced) that working 'for the team' was the way forward, and so his own game has suffered as he has become a bit of a jack of all trades. If he had worked on his own game like Messi and Ronaldo have, instead of spending most of his early to mid-twenties carrying an overhyped United side, he could have achieved the same sort of recognition. Some people think the team comes first, but if he had fulfilled his potential, it would have been of even more benefit to both club and country.

If you watch him now, I don't think he's even as good as he was in his early career. He doesn't seem to be moving as freely or easily, and he has the first touch of a brick wall - it just bounces off. His last piece of 'magic' was now a good couple of seasons ago.

I know people still think he's fantastic, but not for me. He will probably break all kinds of records, but I think having been the first name down on the team sheet since he was a teenager (regardless of whether he should have been or not) gives him the time to do so.

He may get more goals than Charlton, but Sir Bobby has something Rooney never will; a world cup winners medal.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: 17GD on September 05, 2015, 05:01:29 PM
Good to see the Black Country flag and an Albion flag at the England game.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 05, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
Rooney equals the record. Well deserved.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 05, 2015, 05:50:31 PM
Its the modern thing of build them up over the top early doors only to knock them for the rest of their career.

Excellent player Rooney is

This is what I think also.

Rooney has always been an excellent player and he fully deserves all the plaudits when he breaks the record
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 05, 2015, 05:51:38 PM
Doesn't matter how many he gets, he'll never touch Greaves or Lineker or even Owen at the top of his game.

Agree that I don't think he is as good a striker as any of them.

However he is a better footballer than all of them
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: 17GD on September 05, 2015, 06:25:13 PM
Agree that I don't think he is as good a striker as any of them.

However he is a better footballer than all of them

Eh?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 05, 2015, 07:21:37 PM
100% record in qualification and off to Euro 2016, fantastic. Hodgson has done a cracking job in this qualification campaign. I really think we'll have a good tournament next year.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2015, 07:31:15 PM
100% record in qualification and off to Euro 2016, fantastic. Hodgson has done a cracking job in this qualification campaign. I really think we'll have a good tournament next year.

It wasn't exactly a top group was it?

And we won't have a good tournament. Just the usual disappointment.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 05, 2015, 07:47:07 PM
Rooney been spoken about as a footballing god. How many of his goals have come against smaller nations like San Marino or the Faroe Islands?

Scored against countries that didn't even exist is bobby charltons day. His record against te big boys and in the major tournaments is abhorrent. Not in the same league as sir bobby charlton in my eyes
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on September 05, 2015, 08:09:18 PM
Rooney been spoken about as a footballing god. How many of his goals have come against smaller nations like San Marino or the Faroe Islands?

Scored against countries that didn't even exist is bobby charltons day. His record against te big boys and in the major tournaments is abhorrent. Not in the same league as sir bobby charlton in my eyes
Spot on.How many goals would Bobby Charlton scored against the Minnow teams
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 05, 2015, 08:43:01 PM
Eh?

Whats the Eh? for??

surely its not hard to understand what I am saying?

Owen, Lineker and Greaves we all better out and out strikers than Rooney but he is by far the better all round footballer than all of them
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 05, 2015, 08:58:49 PM
Not seen anyone say Rooney is a footballing god, please point this out.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 05, 2015, 10:18:35 PM
Couple of points

Rooney is the closest we currently have to world class, you may not like him but he can play football
Roy deserves a fair crack , he should get the semis of the next tournament
Replacement , difficult?, pullis, monk,bergkamp,could go safe or could go leftfield, I'd like Wenger
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2015, 10:22:34 PM
Spot on.How many goals would Bobby Charlton scored against the Minnow teams

Except loads of Bobby Charlton's goals were in thrashings. 13 of his 49 in 7+ goal wins. Compared to 1 for Rooney. The difference is teams like Mexico don't get thrashed 9-0 now. Works both ways. Charlton might not have played against the same sides but he also played a lot of games against teams who are now good who were absolutely hopeless back in the 60's.

If you want to talk about goals at tournaments, then of everyone to have scored 40 goals for England, Rooney (6 in 17) still has the second best ratio behind Lineker (10 in 18), with Charlton (5 in 15), Owen (6 in 19), and Greaves (1 in 7).

Couple of points

Rooney is the closest we currently have to world class, you may not like him but he can play football
Roy deserves a fair crack , he should get the semis of the next tournament
Replacement , difficult?, pullis, monk,bergkamp,could go safe or could go leftfield, I'd like Wenger

If England are insistent on having an English manager they'd be better off keeping Hodgson than the English replacements. I presume Pardew would be pushed as frontrunner which just about says it all. Maybe Monk or Howe will reach the level wanted eventually but both need to prove themselves a fair but more just yet. How many young managers like those two do you see go the way of Owen Coyle?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 06, 2015, 07:51:43 AM
Makes me laugh when people talk about goals in major tournaments. What about major goals in major tournaments. Notably a certain brace someone scored in a certain semi final some time ago.

Rooney hasn't scored a single goal in a major championship in the knockout stages.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on September 06, 2015, 07:54:30 AM
Makes me laugh when people talk about goals in major tournaments. What about major goals in major tournaments. Notably a certain brace someone scored in a certain semi final some time ago.

Rooney hasn't scored a single goal in a major championship in the knockout stages.


Which sort of leads me onto - Rooney never scores when it really matters, the biggest stages at the most important times. That's what sorts out the greats from the goods. They deliver when it REALLY matters.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on September 06, 2015, 11:16:10 AM
Interesting article from Four Four Two linked below which compares Rooney and Charlton.
For those interested in statistics it is well worth a few minutes of your time.
Interestingly although Charlton has a much more impressive World Cup record, 32 of his goals came from 71 friendlies compared to Rooney’s 14 from 41.

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wayne-rooney-vs-bobby-charlton-whos-got-best-england-scoring-record (http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/wayne-rooney-vs-bobby-charlton-whos-got-best-england-scoring-record)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 06, 2015, 01:29:52 PM
Im surprised at people on this thread to be honest, Rooney has scored goals against the opposition he has been put up against, are we really going to go down the route of his goals don't mean as much as Charltons??

if he gets the record he will be Englands top scorer and rightly so as he has put the ball in the net more than anyone else.

I don't get why people are comparing stats or saying his goals are not as important as Charltons as that is complete and utter horse****

The record books and history will show that Wayne Rooney has scored more goals than anyone else and I'm pretty sure he will also get the record caps.

England legend simple as
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on September 06, 2015, 02:38:24 PM
Makes me laugh when people talk about goals in major tournaments. What about major goals in major tournaments. Notably a certain brace someone scored in a certain semi final some time ago.

Rooney hasn't scored a single goal in a major championship in the knockout stages.

The point isn't to put down Charlton, the point is to point out the mindlessness of people who cannot wait but get a dig in on Rooney. It's funny, its usually the same types who moan about players not caring for England. No wonder if someone like Rooney who's always available and clearly puts his all into England gets so much stick for the crime of scoring too many goals! Even if he has a really good tournament at the Euro's that still won't be enough for most his critics.

Of the other greats in his generation, Ibrahimovic never scored a goal in the knock out rounds, Lionel Messi never scored in a world cup knock out game, scored only 3 in 16 copa america games, Cristiano Ronaldo's never scored in a world cup knockout game....

I wonder if people in their countries give them as much stick as Rooney gets. I suspect not. 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 06, 2015, 03:04:24 PM
Of the other greats in his generation, Ibrahimovic never scored a goal in the knock out rounds, Lionel Messi never scored in a world cup knock out game, scored only 3 in 16 copa america games, Cristiano Ronaldo's never scored in a world cup knockout game....

I wonder if people in their countries give them as much stick as Rooney gets. I suspect not.

From what some sports journalists based in Latin America have led me to believe, Messi does get quite a bit of stick from Argentineans, particularly after the Copa America final against Chile.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 06, 2015, 05:29:59 PM
Of the other greats in his generation, Ibrahimovic never scored a goal in the knock out rounds, Lionel Messi never scored in a world cup knock out game, scored only 3 in 16 copa america games, Cristiano Ronaldo's never scored in a world cup knockout game....

I wonder if people in their countries give them as much stick as Rooney gets. I suspect not.

You made a point that Rooney scored more goals in major tournaments than Charlton. My point was merely Charltons goals were of far more value. Just felt it needed some objective reasoning.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 06, 2015, 06:06:01 PM
Rooney is the best England player since Gazza.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 06, 2015, 06:22:59 PM
Rooney is the best England player since Gazza.

He's not, Ashley Cole, Terry, Scholes and Gerrard all better players in their respective positions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on September 06, 2015, 06:46:23 PM
Yeah scholes was class I agree there.

There all good players no reason why we can't get out of our group in major tournaments. It's the idiots who think we can win it that always over react.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on September 06, 2015, 07:58:48 PM
I think we have potentially a decent team for the next world cup campaign. The likes of Hart, Shaw, Clyne, Cahill, Jones, Smalling, Ox, Wilshire, Walcott, Welbeck, Sterling, Henderson, Sturridge, and Rooney all playing for champions league or Europa league teams and the likes of Kane, Stones and Barkley likely to get a big move in coming years.

I also see other countries struggling for world class talent in the next few years. Brazil are a shadow of their past, Italy too, Spain's golden age has gone, France are not as good either. Teams are catching them up and the like of Belgium are developing quality players. I can see a so called lesser team winning tournaments in the next 10 years.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 07, 2015, 10:00:18 AM

Which sort of leads me onto - Rooney never scores when it really matters, the biggest stages at the most important times. That's what sorts out the greats from the goods. They deliver when it REALLY matters.

Nobody delivers for England in the major tournaments. Rooney especially. I always saw Gerrard as a bottler. Bullied sides like Albion in premier league but totally in the shadows for England against the big boys and when he was needed. Only fat frank ever really had a go.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on September 07, 2015, 11:02:59 AM
I don't think we have one world class player, the only chance we have with current pool of players is (sadly) based upon the team ethic. 
This is one of Roy's strengths, My prediction for Euros is solid performance in group stage, but thats it folks, We'll all get excited but then get found out (very likely by the italians or germans !)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on September 07, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
We have done bliming well to have a 100% record so far and be the first team to qualify, Well done Roy and the players.
If we can make it out the groups I will be satisfied anything after that is a bonus.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 08, 2015, 10:56:47 AM
loads of tickets left for tonight apparently
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 08, 2015, 11:20:54 AM
The sale of tickets was suspended for a time last week as there was a tube strike due but that was later cancelled. To be fair I used to go to most England home games but I have no interest in them at this time.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 08, 2015, 11:49:33 AM
We have done bliming well to have a 100% record so far and be the first team to qualify, Well done Roy and the players.
If we can make it out the groups I will be satisfied anything after that is a bonus.

I dunno about that, it is a very weak group, no real competition at all. No other big side in the group. Switzerland used to be good.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 08, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
I dunno about that, it is a very weak group, no real competition at all. No other big side in the group. Switzerland used to be good.

You still have to beat what is put in front of you. Look at all the other National sides that take groups like this for granted and end up losing a game or two they really shouldn't have, we have done a very professional job so far. Hopefully we can keep it going into the finals and get beyond the group stages.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 08, 2015, 08:37:25 PM
It is like watching Albion at the moment.
Backward passes and the big hoof from the goalkeeper.
No pace and when the defence have a clear run forward they wont take it, just preferring to pass sidewards.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBArgo on September 08, 2015, 09:39:30 PM
People will always slag Rooney off but he's always scored goals over many, many years. England would be lost without him, great achievement.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: AlbionFan on September 08, 2015, 09:50:22 PM
Congratulations to Wayne Rooney on breaking Booby Charlton's goal scoring record for England.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 08, 2015, 10:08:46 PM
I "thumped" the air when he scored.
Say what you like about the bald headed, granny groping twit, but he comes up with goods.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Baggies on September 08, 2015, 10:13:26 PM
Brilliant for Rooney to break the record with so many years left of his career, but it is yet another performance from the whole team that leaves you uninspired.

For a country lacking any real chance of progressing in the major tournaments, it amazes me that we always seem to qualify for major tournaments with so much ease. Apart from the one qualification process back in 2007, we have qualified for every major tournament since 1995 and in all but one of those qualifications, we have finished top of our group (above both Germany and Italy over the years). This is despite being a very ordinary tournament team.

Today we showed we have a steady defence with yet another clean sheet, but we lack any real creative spark. Rooney and now Kane appear to be able to get the goals at international level, but behind them I do wonder who exactly will actually unlock defences and set the goals up? Sterling and Oxlade-Chamberlain struggled today as all English speedy wingers seem to at the international level. Barkley has settled into a steady, pass sideways player, rather than the skilful "Gazza" type he was supposed to be when he first burst on to the scene. On the bench, our latest "technical player" is Ryan Mason; a player who is in and out of the Spurs teams and has hardly pulled up trees despite being 24. He follows the likes of Cleverley, Wilshere, Henderson and Lallana who are supposed to be our answer to Iniesta or Gotze but who seems the weakest of the lot.

From what I ahve seen, Jack Grealish may actually provide an answer but I get the impression he would rather play for Ireland and only their failure to qualify for major tournaments on a regular basis is holding him back. He genuinely does seem to have the ability to operate in tight spaces but it shows the slim pickings we have in this crucial position.

England will only win things when we can field a full squad of players comfortable playing in between the lines of defence you get in international football. We still don't have that at the moment.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 08, 2015, 10:20:05 PM
As I said earlier.
It is like watching the Albion.
Same game plan.
Hoof a lot from the back..It is called "Pulis ball" now.
The only difference is, that England have a bit of pace in some places.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggies_24 on September 09, 2015, 06:24:38 AM
We really seem to lack that one player in the middle that's not afraid to drive us forward 20 yards which opens things for others. I thought Barkley would have been perfect for that role but he looks like every other midfield player to play for England in the last 15 years that looks to pass it sideways.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2015, 08:00:39 AM
well done Wazza
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 09, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Well done Rooney, one of the greatest to play for England. Great win last night, Hodgson is doing a cracking job with this team.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2015, 11:12:44 AM
Well done Rooney, one of the greatest to play for England. Great win last night, Hodgson is doing a cracking job with this team.


We as Albion fans understand but that lot watching in the pub last night were talking about paint drying
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on September 09, 2015, 11:55:21 AM
I bet the Queen cringed a bit when he scored.
I bet she thought' 'Fek me Philip, arise Sir Wayne has a certain council estate ring about it hey what?'
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2015, 12:09:10 PM
I bet the Queen cringed a bit when he scored.
I bet she thought' 'Fek me Philip, arise Sir Wayne has a certain council estate ring about it hey what?'


how long before he is knighted i wonder and Colleen becomes her ladyship
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on September 09, 2015, 12:25:02 PM
Lady Coleen can will be able to go to the ceremony in her best shell suit and parker  :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on September 09, 2015, 01:48:05 PM

We as Albion fans understand but that lot watching in the pub last night were talking about paint drying

Have to disagree I thought England played some lovely football.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 09, 2015, 02:03:45 PM
Have to disagree I thought England played some lovely football.

Seriously?!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on September 09, 2015, 02:06:53 PM
Have to disagree I thought England played some lovely football.

Not sure what you were watching. I nearly fell asleep in the ground first half.

Sterling - Useless
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on September 09, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
I think Roy had it right in his post match
1st half bad, 2nd half a little better (paraphrased)

I have to agree on Sterling, he was abysmal, dunno how he stayed on tbh.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on September 09, 2015, 03:03:23 PM
Not sure what you were watching. I nearly fell asleep in the ground first half.

Sterling - Useless

Absolutely agree

I don't get what people see in Sterling I really don't, he doesnt beat a man, turns into trouble rather than into space. doesnt create much or score many either. Cite have basically paid £49m for a sprinter when they already have one in Jesus Navas

He is a player I want to do well I really do but I don't see whats so good about him.

I think Townsend offers so much more
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 10, 2015, 04:00:29 PM
Theo Walcott's the most productive winger we have, like him or not. I don't. Chamberlain shows flashes of brilliance but lacks consistency and Sterling lacks everything. I'm surprised he hasn't tried pushing a LB further forward.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 10, 2015, 04:14:24 PM
------------- Hart -----------------

Clyne - Cahill - Jagielka - Baines

----------- Wilshere ---------------

 Chamberlain - Henderson -------

Sturridge -------------- Shaw

------------ Rooney --------------


All fit I'd sooner see something like this.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 07, 2015, 10:15:04 AM
Any of you guys going to the forth coming England games
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on October 07, 2015, 11:22:19 AM
Any of you guys going to the forth coming England games

Got to go down to Wembley Friday unfortunately just to get the caps! If anyone fancies 4 tickets to the France friendly in November at Wembley by the way get in touch as we would be happy to let them go.

Couldn't get a ticket for Lithuania away as there were only 800 available.  :(

Next away for me is Spain in November.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on October 07, 2015, 12:10:54 PM
Couldn't get a ticket for Lithuania away as there were only 800 available.  :(

I know a few lads who are in the home end for that one.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 07, 2015, 12:45:55 PM
isnt football exciting from Pulisball to Hodgball
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: PepeMel on October 09, 2015, 08:58:34 PM
I know it's only Estonia but some nice passing stuff from England . The sooner they move those corporates  the better or the cameras . It's embaressing they still taking there seat half way throught the second half
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggie53 on October 09, 2015, 09:06:37 PM
I know it's only Estonia but some nice passing stuff from England . The sooner they move those corporates  the better or the cameras . It's embaressing they still taking there seat half way throught the second half

Yes they should relocate the cameras. It's every international, cup final and semi, play offs etc, and as you say, it's embarrassing on TV.

I wish they would ban that f##king band as well - drives me round the bend with their stupid renditions of H-A-P-P-Y and all the other cr@p they churn out
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 09, 2015, 10:06:27 PM
I know it's only Estonia but some nice passing stuff from England . The sooner they move those corporates  the better or the cameras . It's embaressing they still taking there seat half way throught the second half
If you saw how sparsely populated it was behind the cameras, then you'd understand. ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 09, 2015, 10:28:41 PM
I didn't watch.
Was it the usual dross from England?
From another site....
"I've just heard the England fans singing are you Albion in disguise"
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on October 09, 2015, 11:30:10 PM
I didn't watch.
Was it the usual dross from England?

"Workmanlike and efficient" would be the charitable description, as ever.  Not that I'd complain for a single moment if the same can be done against the big boys when it really counts, but that's another story.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BobTaylor on October 09, 2015, 11:36:41 PM
We have done very well to be within touching distance of winning all our games, that in itself is an achievement.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on October 10, 2015, 07:04:33 AM
We have done very well to be within touching distance of winning all our games, that in itself is an achievement.

Always the same though and when it comes to the tournament we'll be mediocre to poor.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on October 10, 2015, 08:17:20 AM
I thought there were some good play. Nice intricate passing at times from Barkley and Lallana. It's a very young side so I think France will come a bit too soon for some but I like what Roy is trying to do. Defence worries me though. Better sides will capitalise on the mistakes made. I just don't get why Smalling is anywhere near the squad.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 10, 2015, 08:21:02 AM
Got to go down to Wembley Friday unfortunately just to get the caps! If anyone fancies 4 tickets to the France friendly in November at Wembley by the way get in touch as we would be happy to let them go.

Couldn't get a ticket for Lithuania away as there were only 800 available.  :(

Next away for me is Spain in November.
When game v Spain was announced it was only proposed as Spain hadnt qualified at the time! I looked online on Spanish sites & tickets not yet on sale but one uk site was quoting €130 for one with 10% discount for more than one ffs - I'm near Alicante might see if I can get some from the ground if its not too expensive its only a friendly after all!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: M666EYS on October 10, 2015, 09:03:41 AM
I been all over the world watching England, if anyone hasnt been to a game then you really need to go especially away from home.

The caps you have to have are a rip off, you can buy tickets at most places off touts
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2015, 09:09:40 AM
Roy's done a great job building a new team that he won't see the benefits of, he won't be appreciated for it now but he will in the future I think. It's hard to underestimate the size of the rebuild job he's had. Capello very rarely played non-established players so its been a huge ask to get a load of young players in and the squad is still pretty inexperienced as a result.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: hardtobeat on October 10, 2015, 09:36:34 AM
When game v Spain was announced it was only proposed as Spain hadnt qualified at the time! I looked online on Spanish sites & tickets not yet on sale but one uk site was quoting €130 for one with 10% discount for more than one ffs - I'm near Alicante might see if I can get some from the ground if its not too expensive its only a friendly after all!
live about an hour south and have been looking but cant find where to buy them from although the ground has its own website with e mail address so may try there next week.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 11, 2015, 12:43:16 PM
what ground in spain are they playing?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on October 11, 2015, 12:46:26 PM
What a great job Hodgson has done, 9 wins out of 9 in qualification. I really think with a bit of luck that England can win Euro 2016.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 11, 2015, 12:51:14 PM
What a great job Hodgson has done, 9 wins out of 9 in qualification. I really think with a bit of luck that England can win Euro 2016.


encouraging but most likely the easiest qulification group. some decent youngsters coming through though. Roy needs to be picking players on form not trying to please the liverpools of this world
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on October 11, 2015, 01:20:21 PM
What a great job Hodgson has done, 9 wins out of 9 in qualification. I really think with a bit of luck that England can win Euro 2016.

But can he do it in a tournament? The answer is no.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on October 11, 2015, 01:42:08 PM
what ground in spain are they playing?

It's in Alicante mate
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 12, 2015, 06:31:03 PM
Plastic grass tonight then
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 12, 2015, 06:57:03 PM
Big game for a number of players tonight. Hopefully it will result in an energetic, attacking game.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on October 12, 2015, 07:22:53 PM
Vardy- remember how some of you lot scoffed at signing him back in January?!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 12, 2015, 08:22:12 PM
Drab game, pitch is having an impact. Barkley's deflected effort has just been added to by Kane.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 13, 2015, 10:47:43 AM
It's in Alicante mate
Estadio José Rico Perez home of Hercules cf in Alicante.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 20, 2015, 10:44:12 AM
info on tickets available in Spain here on Hercules CF website - cheapest looks to be €20 http://www.herculesdealicantecf.net/-/los-abonados-del-hercules-podran-adquirir-las-entradas-para-el-espana-inglaterra-desde-lunes-2-al-miercoles-4-de-noviembre
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on October 20, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
Brought mine Friday from the FA and was £19 so pretty decent! Still have no flights or nothing booked yet though which is a bit of a nightmare
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2015, 12:26:42 PM
see some of you next Friday  :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on November 05, 2015, 08:33:50 PM
Flying out Friday morning Luton - Alicante, staying in Benidorm the Friday and Saturday and returning Sunday evening.

Going to be a bit of a ball ache Friday as we have to go from Alicante to Benidorm to drop our bags, back to Alicante for the match then back to Benidorm after the match! 
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 16, 2015, 09:36:53 AM
so Roy drafts in a player from Man Ure whos played a few minutes over all the Leicester players performing well at the minute.
Again a typical case of its who you play for
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 17, 2015, 08:50:59 AM
Spuds v France tonight.Anyone going
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: PepeMel on November 17, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
Like my dad said when will the fa sort out those corporate seats , stadium full part from those seats . Move the cameras ffs its  embaressing . Encouraging performance on the
pitch
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: PepeMel on November 17, 2015, 09:39:26 PM
Butland for England  get rid of billy big boots
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2016, 04:31:16 PM
Wayne Rooney is out for two months so he will miss the next 2 England friendlies, will he make the euros? is he picked because of who he is anyway. For me its time to blood young hungry
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 17, 2016, 05:58:26 PM
Wayne Rooney is out for two months so he will miss the next 2 England friendlies, will he make the euros? is he picked because of who he is anyway. For me its time to blood young hungry
Should "blood" them before the Euros.
They need game time.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 17, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
He deservedly gets picked.

Without doubt our best player and we will not realise how good and important he is until he retires.

My only gripe with Rooney is that I don't think he reached the potential he could have reached.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 17, 2016, 09:40:53 PM
He deservedly gets picked.

Without doubt our best player and we will not realise how good and important he is until he retires.

My only gripe with Rooney is that I don't think he reached the potential he could have reached.

Not having it, wouldn't have him near the starting XI.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2016, 09:46:14 PM
Not having it, wouldn't have him near the starting XI.

With you on this Jacko, most over-rated player EVER.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: caravanc58 on February 17, 2016, 09:51:06 PM
definitely a player in decline, probably at a stage now where we can do without him and he's never really done much in tournaments anyway. we put him on a pedestal by taking him to a tournament even though he was banned for the first two games.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 17, 2016, 10:39:24 PM
Not having it, wouldn't have him near the starting XI.

Who would you have out of interest?

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 18, 2016, 12:23:35 AM
Who would you have out of interest?

If fit Sturridge and Kane.

If not fit then Kane on his own with 3 attacking mids.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 18, 2016, 02:11:35 AM
The side would be better off without him but he's the captain and a name so he'll be going. Vardy, Barkley and Walcott behind Kane is what I'd opt for personally. Can see Rooney playing in the middle of the park this summer.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 18, 2016, 08:52:00 AM
encouraging potential we have to do well this summer, without rooney hopefully aswell
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 01, 2016, 11:07:56 PM
Is reg vardy a cert for the euros?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2016, 09:14:07 AM
Rashford of Man Ure could be called up for the summer euros, so called big clubs again ???
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on March 04, 2016, 09:21:34 AM
Rashford of Man Ure could be called up for the summer euros, big clubs again ???


That'll be a joke if he is.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2016, 09:24:40 AM
Hodgson is so blinkered towards the you know whos
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 12:02:53 PM
With you on this Jacko, most over-rated player EVER.

Huh?

over-rated...i know football is about opinions but its pretty clear to me anyway that he is not overrated but is rightly revered as a top player.

244 in 511 for Utd 261 in 588 career total and 51 in 109 for England.

so thats 312 goals in 697 games in total

2nd in the all time Premier League goalscorer

98 assists, 3rd in all time Prem list behind Giggs and Gerrard

3 titles
1 champs league
2 league cups
1 fifa world cup

yep he is overrated  ::)

You don't do all of the above if you are overrated, you do all of the above if you are world class player

Its that simple
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 04, 2016, 12:37:24 PM
Huh?

over-rated...i know football is about opinions but its pretty clear to me anyway that he is not overrated but is rightly revered as a top player.

244 in 511 for Utd 261 in 588 career total and 51 in 109 for England.

so thats 312 goals in 697 games in total

2nd in the all time Premier League goalscorer

98 assists, 3rd in all time Prem list behind Giggs and Gerrard

3 titles
1 champs league
2 league cups
1 fifa world cup

yep he is overrated  ::)

You don't do all of the above if you are overrated, you do all of the above if you are world class player

Its that simple

Never performed in a "world" scenario. End of !

BTW,1 FIFA world cup,  who are we discussing here?

I hope you are not using the one-off money making fiasco game between Copa de Americas and Champions league winners as an argument relating to "Rooney being world class"
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 12:40:48 PM
Never performed in a "world" scenario. End of !

BTW,1 FIFA world cup,  who are we discussing here?

I hope you are not using the one-off money making fiasco game between Copa de Americas and Champions league winners as an argument relating to "Rooney being world class"

FIFA World club cup sorry mistyped

end of?? I don't think so....

Neither Messi or Ronaldo have really lit up a world cup either so are are they overrated???

The facts speak for themselves, but you are entitled to your opinion
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 12:44:31 PM
You want to listen to what his peers think about him only then will you realise how class the lad has been throughout his career

You are not alone in your thinking though there are plenty of others who feel the same as you but i cant agree at all, having watched him from the age of 16 burst onto the scene I've always thought of him as a world class player.

He isn't the same player as he was granted but you cannot discount his pedigree at all.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 04, 2016, 01:42:27 PM
You want to listen to what his peers think about him only then will you realise how class the lad has been throughout his career

You are not alone in your thinking though there are plenty of others who feel the same as you but i cant agree at all, having watched him from the age of 16 burst onto the scene I've always thought of him as a world class player.

He isn't the same player as he was granted but you cannot discount his pedigree at all.

We will have to agree to disagree, i guess it could be about definitions of world class.

For me the definition is - would you pick a player in your first choice 11 for the the world?
For me WR would never have met that criteria,

The last Englishman to have made "world class" were probably Michael Owen and Paul Gascoigne, (possibly Becks & Scholes at their very best)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: seteefeet on March 04, 2016, 01:52:31 PM
According to the Sun, Hodgson says Wiltshire will definitely go if he plays between now and end of season. Ludicrous, if true.
Drinkwater or Noble should get the chance, they have had and still are having great seasons.
It's this sort of mentality that holds us back at International level.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 02:02:21 PM
We will have to agree to disagree, i guess it could be about definitions of world class.

For me the definition is - would you pick a player in your first choice 11 for the the world?
For me WR would never have met that criteria,

The last Englishman to have made "world class" were probably Michael Owen and Paul Gascoigne, (possibly Becks & Scholes at their very best)

Gascoigne definitely, Michael Owen is nowhere near as good a footballer as Rooney and doesnt even have as many goals or trophies.

Becks and Scholes were without doubt World Class but then people think Beckham was overrated aswell.

I wouldnt pick Christiano Ronaldo in my first World XI over any period but clearly he is world class and there are countless players who are world class throughout my life who wouldnt get into my starting XI either but were undoubtedly world class so for me not picking someone in a World XI over any period is no argument for a player not getting that status.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 04, 2016, 02:11:03 PM
Gascoigne definitely, Michael Owen is nowhere near as good a footballer as Rooney and doesnt even have as many goals or trophies.

Becks and Scholes were without doubt World Class but then people think Beckham was overrated aswell.

I wouldnt pick Christiano Ronaldo in my first World XI over any period but clearly he is world class and there are countless players who are world class throughout my life who wouldnt get into my starting XI either but were undoubtedly world class so for me not picking someone in a World XI over any period is no argument for a player not getting that status.

I'm struggling with what you mean by world class then, Not trying to be an arse, I'm just missing the point I think.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 02:25:20 PM
I'm struggling with what you mean by world class then, Not trying to be an arse, I'm just missing the point I think.

I know you are not fella....What are you struggling to understand from me though.

There are many players id class as world class, it doesnt mean they have necessarily lit up a world cup but their overall contribution to football and either what they achieved domestically or what their game was like for me a supporter to watch.

Players like Hagi, Stoichkov were world class footballers, but they wouldn't get into an XI I would pick....Messi possibly wouldnt get in due to Maradona I would choose Van Basten and Fat Ronaldo as my front 2 possibly but that doesnt mean Shearer wasnt world class or Cantona for that matter...do you see what i mean??
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 04, 2016, 02:44:43 PM
I know you are not fella....What are you struggling to understand from me though.

There are many players id class as world class, it doesnt mean they have necessarily lit up a world cup but their overall contribution to football and either what they achieved domestically or what their game was like for me a supporter to watch.

Players like Hagi, Stoichkov were world class footballers, but they wouldn't get into an XI I would pick....Messi possibly wouldnt get in due to Maradona I would choose Van Basten and Fat Ronaldo as my front 2 possibly but that doesnt mean Shearer wasnt world class or Cantona for that matter...do you see what i mean??

Ok, I see where the confusion is, what i was trying to say (and failing) was a top 11 at that point in time,
ie today I would have
                   Neuer,

Alves,    Ramos,   Kompany,   french bloke

           Robben, Goetze   DeBruyne

 Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo,  Messi,


Not an englishman in sight or even near frankly, getting back to Wayne, I can't imagine i would ever have picked him on this basis
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: robbo_wba on March 04, 2016, 02:53:23 PM
Ok, I see where the confusion is, what i was trying to say (and failing) was a top 11 at that point in time,
ie today I would have
                   Neuer,

Alves,    Ramos,   Kompany,   french bloke

           Robben, Goetze   DeBruyne

 Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo,  Messi,


Not an englishman in sight or even near frankly, getting back to Wayne, I can't imagine i would ever have picked him on this basis

So Suarez is not world class? Bale? Neymar? Lewandowski? Courtois not world class? There is no central midfielder in the world that is world class because they don't get in your top 11?

Ridiculous to use this as a definition for world class.  There can be more than 11 world class players in the world.

Rooney, over his career, has been one of the best English players ever.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 04, 2016, 03:15:08 PM
So Suarez is not world class? Bale? Neymar? Lewandowski? Courtois not world class? There is no central midfielder in the world that is world class because they don't get in your top 11?

Ridiculous to use this as a definition for world class.  There can be more than 11 world class players in the world.

Rooney, over his career, has been one of the best English players ever.

Rooney wouldn't get in an all time England XI for me. He also wouldn't go to the Euro's this summer.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: collins101 on March 04, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
So Suarez is not world class? Bale? Neymar? Lewandowski? Courtois not world class? There is no central midfielder in the world that is world class because they don't get in your top 11?

Ridiculous to use this as a definition for world class.  There can be more than 11 world class players in the world.

Rooney, over his career, has been one of the best English players ever.

You could pick another 'World Class XI' and Rooney still wouldn't be in it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 03:24:01 PM
Ok, I see where the confusion is, what i was trying to say (and failing) was a top 11 at that point in time,
ie today I would have
                   Neuer,

Alves,    Ramos,   Kompany,   french bloke

           Robben, Goetze   DeBruyne

 Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo,  Messi,


Not an englishman in sight or even near frankly, getting back to Wayne, I can't imagine i would ever have picked him on this basis

Fair enough I don't agree with that side at all though fella.

some good players in there but World Class?? not all of those are in my opinion
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
You could pick another 'World Class XI' and Rooney still wouldn't be in it.

And you could pick another aswell and he might not get in that one....doesnt mean he isn't a world class player or for the duration of his career been a world class player. because he has and he is proven
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 04, 2016, 03:32:41 PM
So Suarez is not world class? Bale? Neymar? Lewandowski? Courtois not world class? There is no central midfielder in the world that is world class because they don't get in your top 11?

Ridiculous to use this as a definition for world class.  There can be more than 11 world class players in the world.

Rooney, over his career, has been one of the best English players ever.

Ok, if its ridiculous, how many world class players can there be at any one time ??? Surely you have to draw the line somewhere? If not 11, would you say 20, 30, 40..... 100??

To me its equally ridiculous that anything above 20 players could be deemed as world class, I chose to use 11 as I think its easy to name a side, rather than a list with no end. 

I apologise for being ridiculous, but hey you know what i'll get over it  ;D

Oh and on Rooney being one of the best england players ever, are you honestly saying he's been better than Shilton, Banks, Moore, Charlton, Lineker, Hurst, Greaves, Ball, Mortenson, Wright, Matthews, to name oops 11   :-*
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 03:38:13 PM
Ok, if its ridiculous, how many world class players can there be at any one time ??? Surely you have to draw the line somewhere? If not 11, would you say 20, 30, 40..... 100??

To me its equally ridiculous that anything above 20 players could be deemed as world class, I chose to use 11 as I think its easy to name a side, rather than a list with no end. 

I apologise for being ridiculous, but hey you know what i'll get over it  ;D

Oh and on Rooney being one of the best england players ever, are you honestly saying he's been better than Shilton, Banks, Moore, Charlton, Lineker, Hurst, Greaves, Ball, Mortenson, Wright, Matthews, to name oops 11   :-*

There can be as many world class players as there are?? there is no limit to how many there can be!!

And yes Rooney is up there with the best players ever, his overall ability for a start and he currently has the goalscoring record. what more does he need to be up there with the best??. When he received his award for breaking the record Bobby Charlton told you all you need to know about what everyone else thinks go him in the football world.

You named 11... what about Gascoigne who you mentioned in another post but not in this one, Bryan Robson, Scholes, Beckham
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2016, 03:40:48 PM
The list will keep expanding because there are more than 11 world class players thats how it works
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 04, 2016, 03:43:03 PM
There can be as many world class players as there are?? there is no limit to how many there is!!

And yes Rooney is up there with the best players ever, his overall ability for a start and he currently has the goalscoring record. what more does he need to be up there with the best??. When he received his award for breaking the record Bobby Charlton told you all you need to know about what everyone else thinks go him in the football world.

He has got his goals in an era when most intl games are qualifiers or freindlies against "lesser" nations, when he's been needed to contribute in meaningful games has he?

He is good, maybe very good, but on the world stage, ie super elite, sorry i just do not see it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: robbo_wba on March 04, 2016, 04:04:32 PM
Ok, if its ridiculous, how many world class players can there be at any one time ??? Surely you have to draw the line somewhere? If not 11, would you say 20, 30, 40..... 100??

To me its equally ridiculous that anything above 20 players could be deemed as world class, I chose to use 11 as I think its easy to name a side, rather than a list with no end. 

I apologise for being ridiculous, but hey you know what i'll get over it  ;D

Oh and on Rooney being one of the best england players ever, are you honestly saying he's been better than Shilton, Banks, Moore, Charlton, Lineker, Hurst, Greaves, Ball, Mortenson, Wright, Matthews, to name oops 11   :-*

It's the definition of being in the top 11 and that only one player in each position can be world class that is ridiculous. But thanks, apology accepted.

Thankfully, there is no limit to world/top class players.

While of course it is subjective, I find it hard to believe that anyone can argue that Rooney over his career has not been world class. He has won premier league titles, the Champions league, player of the year, shown ability in scoring a whole range of goals, created goals, and broke historic individual goal scoring records.

And yes Rooney would get in most people's England 11 ahead of Lineker, Greaves, Mortenson, Hurst etc. He has scored more domestic, European, and international goals than all of them. As well as more assists, and a better all round game.

I feel he is too harshly written off as he has played in an era with Messi and Ronaldo, probably the best 2 players ever to play the game, and is therefore always compared to those two. For me, they are on another level to everyone else.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2016, 04:06:25 PM
England playing around the country again i hear, bout time too
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2016, 04:09:43 PM
the sooner Hodgson goes the better, and he will after the euros. Wilsher, delph, luke shaw all mentioned as possibilities. current players on form for me. no doubt rooney will be starting
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: robbo_wba on March 04, 2016, 04:23:34 PM
He has got his goals in an era when most intl games are qualifiers or freindlies against "lesser" nations, when he's been needed to contribute in meaningful games has he?

He is good, maybe very good, but on the world stage, ie super elite, sorry i just do not see it.

Charlton goals had his fair share of goals against minnows. 5 against Luxembourg, 4 against USA (minnows at the time), and hat tricks against Mexico and Switzerland in 8-0/8-1 wins.

Rooney has also scored more goals in major tournaments than Charlton.

And when compared to someone in this era, he even has a similar record to Ronaldo. 51 in 109, to 55 in 122. Not bad at all!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on March 05, 2016, 06:40:18 AM
World class forwards; Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Aguero.

Anyone putting Rooney in their bracket needs a rethink.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on March 05, 2016, 07:58:28 AM
I understand when people say it's hard to compare Rooney to Messi and Ronaldo because they are the level above but for me he's never really been in the level below either.  Not ever close to World or European player of the year.

The likes of Zlatan,  Aguero, Suarez, neymar,  bale, muller, Torres all way ahead of Rooney.

Rooney was ruined by Ferguson imo. Tried to improve his all round game but ended up taking the best thing away from him which was taking players on almost Gazza-esque.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: caravanc58 on March 05, 2016, 10:34:58 AM
World class forwards; Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Aguero.

Anyone putting Rooney in their bracket needs a rethink.
I know he's a dickhead but I would add suarez to that list, agree about rooney though, I tend to judge what players do at major tournaments when the play against the best when calling them world class, and rooney has fallen well short in that respect.   
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albion79 on March 05, 2016, 11:20:35 AM
I think going on the past Rooney has been a top player for England but like others have said, i dont think he quite fulfilled his full potential, he was / still is quality but dont think he is world class.

I watched the documentary on him when he broke the goalscoring record and when he started at Everton he was so raw and instinctive, combined with stupid amounts of talent too and thats what made him so special. Over the probably with getting older and more coaching he has lost that edge a bit.

Until he got injured recently then i would of picked him for England for the Euros, for once as a tournament approached he seemed to be approaching the end of season in good form and injury free but then he ended up getting injured!

I think you should take your best / form players to tournaments wherever they are from, not just names, aside from the very very very odd glimpse of Sturridge actually getting on the pitch this season i have yet to see why he deserves to go to the tournament, same thing with Wilshere, how you can justify picking players who havent played for their clubs i have no idea, its not like they have been playing poor for their clubs, form comes and goes, but at the time of writing they havent actually even been playing!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 05, 2016, 11:25:46 AM
I understand when people say it's hard to compare Rooney to Messi and Ronaldo because they are the level above but for me he's never really been in the level below either.  Not ever close to World or European player of the year.

The likes of Zlatan,  Aguero, Suarez, neymar,  bale, muller, Torres all way ahead of Rooney.

Rooney was ruined by Ferguson imo. Tried to improve his all round game but ended up taking the best thing away from him which was taking players on almost Gazza-esque.

If Torres was world class, then Rooney certainly was. Rooney's record is better domestically, internationally, at European level and probably a stronger all round player too than Torres who only ever thrived in one particular system under Benitez.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 05, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
Ridiculous these posts saying Rooney is not up there with the Agueros, Ibrahimovich's etc

His record proves you are wrong

Your opinion might be that you don't think he is as good but everything else points to him being as good if not better than some of the World Class players mentioned in above posts

Rooney is/was world class.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: caravanc58 on March 05, 2016, 01:00:46 PM
Lineker head and shoulders over Rooney for me,  these type of players come into their own on the big stage like the 86 world cup when Lineker won the Golden Boot Award with 6 goals, look how Lineker dragged England to the semis in Italia 90 with goals against Cameroon and Germany.
Big players shine in the tournaments and the biggest stage to play football is the world cup finals
Lineker 10 GOALS
Rooney 1 goal.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 05, 2016, 01:05:15 PM
Lineker head and shoulders over Rooney for me,  these type of players come into their own on the big stage like the 86 world cup when Lineker won the Golden Boot Award with 6 goals, look how Lineker dragged England to the semis in Italia 90 with goals against Cameroon and Germany.
Big players shine in the tournaments and the biggest stage to play football is the world cup finals
Lineker 10 GOALS
Rooney 1 goal.

I'm not sure you can say Lineker "dragged" England to the semi-finals by scoring 2 penalties against Cameroon.

Besides which it's a bit ridiculous to judge someone solely on a tournament held every 4 year that is largely dependent on team strength. Based on such logic then Cristiano Ronaldo isn't world class as he's never done much at world cups. Only scored 3 goals, all in the group stages, a penalty against Iran, the 6th against North Korea, and a late goal against Ghana that was little more than a consolation as they exited the last world cup.

Landon Donovan 5 World cup GOALS
Lionel Messi 5
Cristiano Ronaldo 3
Zlatan Ibrahimovic 0
Sergio Aguero  0

There's a real cognitive dissonance with Rooney and other strikers from some England "fans". You'll see as above people praising Aguero for being world class for example then slagging off Rooney based on his international record, when Aguero's is even worse.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 17, 2016, 08:45:02 AM
any squad announcement yet?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 17, 2016, 12:50:27 PM
Danny Drinkwater made the squad then
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: saml30 on March 17, 2016, 01:11:51 PM
Generally really like the squad as a whole, just questions over Jagielka, Lallana and Walcott for me
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on March 17, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke City), Fraser Forster (Southampton), Joe Hart (Manchester City).

Defenders: Ryan Bertrand (Southampton), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Nathaniel Clyne (Liverpool), Phil Jagielka (Everton), Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Chris Smalling (Manchester United), John Stones (Everton), Kyle Walker (Tottenham Hotspur).

Midfielders: Dele Alli (Tottenham Hotspur), Ross Barkley (Everton), Eric Dier (Tottenham Hotspur), Danny Drinkwater (Leicester City), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Adam Lallana (Liverpool), James Milner (Liverpool), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City).

Forwards: Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Daniel Sturridge (Liverpool), Jamie Vardy (Leicester City), Theo Walcott (Arsenal), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal).


Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 17, 2016, 01:23:21 PM
2 of those strikers will miss out on the Euro's if Rooney is fit. Got a feeling it'll be Vardy and Walcott out.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: hardtobeat on March 17, 2016, 01:30:12 PM
 could always take the extra forward by leaving Walker out. Dier, Stones and even Milner can all cover at r/b. Not a fan of either Lallana or Henderson but looking round it is an area we are a bit short in if Wilshere and Oxlade Chamberlain are unavailable
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 17, 2016, 02:04:50 PM
Noble probably should have got a look in.

Sterling? Really?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on March 17, 2016, 03:12:27 PM
Couple of points:-

Danny Welbeck and Jordan Henderson are not good enough.

The new kit looks fuggin disgusting.

Hodgson said door is still open for players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2016, 03:27:59 PM
welbeck / sturridge / walcott all sick notes, expect minimum of 1 of these to be out before the tournament, If by some miracle they all stay fit, I certainly wouldn't take all 3, much too big a risk IMO
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on March 17, 2016, 03:49:49 PM

The new kit looks fuggin disgusting.


Absolutely awful top.

The away kit also has far too much claret and blue.
 :-X.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on March 17, 2016, 03:51:17 PM
Best 11 people.....

Butland

Clyne
Cahill
Smalling
Bertrand (no other LB there!)

Drinkwater/Henderson
Ali
Barkley

Sterling
Kane
Vardy

It's a very unbalanced squad, if we play 4 in midfield then Milner is a shoe-in which depresses me - where are the wingers?! I think Hodgson will pick

Hart

Clyne
Jagielka
Cahill
Bertrand

Milner
Henderson
Barkley
Sterling

Kane
Sturridge

We don't really have a steady, experienced central midfielder.


Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 17, 2016, 04:03:08 PM
Absolutely awful top.

The away kit also has far too much claret and blue.
 :-X.


i agree its a terrible top
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 17, 2016, 05:02:14 PM
Opening game of the tournament team:

Hart

Clyne
Cahill
Jagielka
Baines

Milner
Henderson
Barkley
Welbeck

Rooney

Kane

 :(

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on March 17, 2016, 05:03:29 PM
What a load of dog S***e that squad is.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kie the baggie on March 17, 2016, 05:07:01 PM
i think the kits are really nice!!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2016, 08:59:22 AM
anybody excited about the forth coming England games against Germany & Holland. what a crazy time to have internationals,
Can you imagine with 8 players away and we were seriously fighting relegation and players coming back injured
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 23, 2016, 11:06:52 AM
anybody excited about the forth coming England games against Germany & Holland. what a crazy time to have internationals,
Can you imagine with 8 players away and we were seriously fighting relegation and players coming back injured

I can't wait for Germany, said in another thread that I had connecting flights in Brussels tomorrow if the airport doesn't open and the flights are cancelled I'll be booking a flight to Hamburg Friday and then 1 hr and half train from there to Berlin. Not sure whether to have a night in Hamburg and go Berlin early Saturday morning or just get the train to Berlin as soon as I Get to Hamburg
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 11:10:16 AM
I can't wait for Germany, said in another thread that I had connecting flights in Brussels tomorrow if the airport doesn't open and the flights are cancelled I'll be booking a flight to Hamburg Friday and then 1 hr and half train from there to Berlin. Not sure whether to have a night in Hamburg and go Berlin early Saturday morning or just get the train to Berlin as soon as I Get to Hamburg

How much is the re-booking of flights Lee?

I've got the train down to Stanstead of Friday then from there to Berlin, flying back from Hannover on Monday to Birmingham. Can't wait for the weekend!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 23, 2016, 12:36:53 PM
How much is the re-booking of flights Lee?

I've got the train down to Stanstead of Friday then from there to Berlin, flying back from Hannover on Monday to Birmingham. Can't wait for the weekend!

£183 return the flights BHX - Hamburg then £35 return train Hamburg to Berlin. I am just about to ring up now, although I may just keep my return flight from Berlin to Brum on Sunday if I can, and then get the one way flight to Hamburg.

Ballache is an understatement, although there is no one to blame except for those scumbag terrorists
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2016, 12:55:47 PM
Whats the Germany game score going to be?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 12:57:41 PM
That is indeed a ballache mate, feel for you especially with the cost. Insurance covering you?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 23, 2016, 01:01:43 PM
That is indeed a ballache mate, feel for you especially with the cost. Insurance covering you?

Got a refund on the other flights so its will work out pretty much the same price
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 01:03:40 PM
Nice one, ours were a bargain, £32 out and £34 back
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 23, 2016, 02:10:59 PM
Nice one, ours were a bargain, £32 out and £34 back

Haha fairplay!

Change of plan again for me, found direct flights Liverpool - Berlin return tomorrow and coming back Sunday. Result that is!! All booked up now!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 02:41:59 PM
Haha fairplay!

Change of plan again for me, found direct flights Liverpool - Berlin return tomorrow and coming back Sunday. Result that is!! All booked up now!

Much better that is, no faffing about and a short train up to Liverpool
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2016, 03:01:19 PM
I do admire you spending your hard earned following england around, whats the attraction?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 03:03:26 PM
I do admire you spending your hard earned following england around, whats the attraction?

Never get to see the Albion play in Europe is up there with the attractions.

Much more than just 90 minutes though. Places I wouldn't normally visit too, such as San Marino, plenty to see and experience.

Good getaway with pals , two weeks all over France will be superb. Then Bratislava in September

Oh and the last reason, nothing else better to do  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2016, 03:13:18 PM
Its much better following Albion in europe :D most of you wont remember Valencia away. Maybe Tone will get us there again season after next
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 23, 2016, 03:26:36 PM
If I'm honest I'm not a huge England international fan I just love going away to different places with the lads on the p*ss.

Last year I did; Italy, Ireland, Slovenia, San Marino & Spain and every single one was fantastic.

Did Malmo with the Albion couple of years ago that was brilliant too.

Only thing is, its a bit addictive and we are already looking at the prices for Slovakia away in September for the World Cup Qualifiers
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 03:32:51 PM
If I'm honest I'm not a huge England international fan I just love going away to different places with the lads on the p*ss.

Last year I did; Italy, Ireland, Slovenia, San Marino & Spain and every single one was fantastic.

Did Malmo with the Albion couple of years ago that was brilliant too.

Only thing is, its a bit addictive and we are already looking at the prices for Slovakia away in September for the World Cup Qualifiers

Birmingham direct Saturday to the Tuesday was £150 flight and about £80 hotel. Bargain really. Really enjoyed both Ireland and San Marino, as Ireland was my first one, many more to come

Like you say, very addictive
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2016, 03:47:42 PM
If I'm honest I'm not a huge England international fan I just love going away to different places with the lads on the p*ss.

Last year I did; Italy, Ireland, Slovenia, San Marino & Spain and every single one was fantastic.

Did Malmo with the Albion couple of years ago that was brilliant too.

Only thing is, its a bit addictive and we are already looking at the prices for Slovakia away in September for the World Cup Qualifiers


yes it was, we met :). i do agree going away with the lads on the lash is the best part
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 25, 2016, 04:51:28 PM
Ain't it about time we gave Germany a game. 1-5 would be nice
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Lloydy on March 26, 2016, 01:41:03 PM
Mixed emotions with the team selection, delighted that form players like Rose, Alli and Dier are getting a game but disappointed that there is no room for Danny Drinkwater or Ross Barkley instead of the likes of Henderson and Lallana. Hopefully Vardy will get the nod on Tuesday instead of the usual rubbish (Sturridge and Walcott).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 26, 2016, 08:55:15 PM
Same old England, all yap and no snap !!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:00:05 PM
Same old England, all yap and no snap !!

Comfortable until Butland's selfishness.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 26, 2016, 09:27:41 PM
Best England performance under Roy , what a comeback
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:56:35 PM
Fantastic performance. It's a shame Roy will dismantle this team when it really matters.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 26, 2016, 09:58:27 PM
Best England performance under Roy

Best I've seen us play in at least 10 years fella.

That was a very very good performance.

Vardy's goal  :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on March 26, 2016, 11:38:30 PM
Lovely stuff, dare to dream?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 27, 2016, 12:49:16 AM
Enjoyed the game. However, Germany never show their hand. ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: dan7heman on March 27, 2016, 12:51:51 AM
Have we finally found a team? ali and dier have to start. Vardys goal was fantastic. I'm an ever optimist with England regardless... go on roy..
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on March 27, 2016, 03:35:36 AM
This is the best group of players we've had for ages. We now have players that are TECHNICALLY very good at long last. I only hope Roy doesn't fall into the old English trap of picking PACE when it matters. Have we finally learned? The likes of Walcott, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sterling - leave them at home, when it comes to internationally tournament football they are not sound enough technically.

Harry Kane is one of the best strikers in the world. Vardy, Alli are so dangerous. Lallana I like at international level, that type of football suits him.

The weakest part of the team is the central defence.

Finally - Rooney - personally I wouldn't take him to the Euro's. If we do the media circus around him will disrupt our camp, we need positivity and we need to focus correctly on what matters.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: j2burnz on March 27, 2016, 08:12:30 AM
What a load of dog S***e that squad is.

Prepared to retract on that statement mate?

Seriously good performance that was.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggiesboots on March 27, 2016, 09:27:11 AM
This is the best group of players we've had for ages. We now have players that are TECHNICALLY very good at long last. I only hope Roy doesn't fall into the old English trap of picking PACE when it matters. Have we finally learned? The likes of Walcott, Oxlade Chamberlain, Sterling - leave them at home, when it comes to internationally tournament football they are not sound enough technically.

Harry Kane is one of the best strikers in the world. Vardy, Alli are so dangerous. Lallana I like at international level, that type of football suits him.

The weakest part of the team is the central defence.

Finally - Rooney - personally I wouldn't take him to the Euro's. If we do the media circus around him will disrupt our camp, we need positivity and we need to focus correctly on what matters.
I don't like Cahill at all too easily beaten in the air, both in the league and internationally.
Craig Dawson anyone?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: sparky123 on March 27, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
Vardys goal was quality and the  way Kane took two defenders out with his turn was brilliant makes Saido look a long way from this level
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on March 27, 2016, 11:37:05 AM
Id start with Vardy and Kane leave the fat boy on the bench
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggiesboots on March 27, 2016, 11:46:02 AM
Vardys goal was quality and the  way Kane took two defenders out with his turn was brilliant makes Saido look a long way from this level
If/when he joins Spurs (or other team who can provide more assistance)  I'd expect him to be back up to that level quite quickly, after all, he came through the England setup with most of the younger players on view last night.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on March 27, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
Prepared to retract on that statement mate?

Seriously good performance that was.

But we never do it when it matters. Roy will  bottle it come first game and will go back to Wilshere, Rooney, Sturridge and Milner.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on March 27, 2016, 12:24:21 PM
Did not see the game but sounded like a good performance. The likes of Rooney, Milner et al should be told thanks for your service but its time to move on.

Rooney is on around £300,000 a week so is unlikely to be too bothered wether England do well or not. We need young hungry players not the comfort zone boys.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 27, 2016, 01:10:55 PM
But we never do it when it matters. Roy will  bottle it come first game and will go back to Wilshere, Rooney, Sturridge and Milner.

Milner hasn't started important non-friendly games since Euro 2012....
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on March 27, 2016, 02:33:48 PM
Was great yesterday.

I would still take Rooney no issue.

However I wouldnt take Sterling at all, he doesnt actually do anything, doesnt create much, doesnt score many if at all. Id have The Ox over him all day long.

Sterling is the MOST OVERRATED player I think I've ever seen....
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on March 27, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
Was great yesterday.

I would still take Rooney no issue.

However I wouldnt take Sterling at all, he doesnt actually do anything, doesnt create much, doesnt score many if at all. Id have The Ox over him all day long.


Sterling is the MOST OVERRATED player I think I've ever seen....


Neither are any good. Same as Walcott, all pace nothing else.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Downunder Stripes on March 28, 2016, 11:45:15 AM
This shows the absolute class of Vardys goal.  https://www.instagram.com/p/BDdGv3fRKUM/
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gavinrussell on March 28, 2016, 02:43:44 PM
Milner Captain against Holland...deep joy...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2016, 02:51:57 PM
Milner Captain against Holland...deep joy...

Not sure how or why anyone is complaining about this, how is it anyone bad that the most experienced player in the squad takes the captaincy in those rare occasions neither the captain or vice-captain are available? Only in England would this be even worthy of mentioning.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 28, 2016, 03:09:26 PM
England have had these sort of results before, but never produce when it really matters. This team could be different, time will tell
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on March 28, 2016, 07:14:46 PM
But we never do it when it matters. Roy will  bottle it come first game and will go back to Wilshere, Rooney, Sturridge and Milner.

Nothing wrong with bringing class players in as long as they're fully fit
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on March 29, 2016, 11:39:49 AM
Why is James 'Granite-head' Milner captaining England tonight?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on March 29, 2016, 11:41:26 AM
Why is James 'Granite-head' Milner captaining England tonight?

Because he's the most capped player in the 1st team? It's only a friendly.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 29, 2016, 11:42:21 AM
I assume he's just the most experienced player in there that will be involved, I don't see a problem with him being named captain personally.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 29, 2016, 11:43:31 AM
So after Saturday its back to slow slow quick quick slow
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on March 29, 2016, 12:55:51 PM
So after Saturday its back to slow slow quick quick slow

He's playing the entire squad across the two games.

Tournaments these days are about the 23 not the first 11.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 29, 2016, 01:07:14 PM
He's playing the entire squad across the two games.

Tournaments these days are about the 23 not the first 11.


play your best inform team, the ones playing tonight have had their chance, some of them anyway. keep the ones who peformed brilliantly on sat in tonights team i say
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: MarkW on March 29, 2016, 01:33:31 PM
It's not just about picking 11 players and sending them out to have a kick about (unless you are Tim Sherwood or Harry Redknapp).

The entire squad needs to be used to the manager's tactics and used to playing with each other.

Those that played on Saturday did well for the most part, but there's other players you deserve a crack (Drinkwater) and players who have genuine talent (Sturridge). They need to play.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: JDWest_Brom on March 29, 2016, 03:02:00 PM
Jack Butland showed his inexperience against Germany, he may be the future but he isn't quite ready yet. He's definitely not on the same level that Joe Hart is capable of performing at.

Fraser Forster's lack of mobility was shown up for the German second goal as well. For a 6 foot 6 keeper not to dominate his area is a sin and he isn't agile enough to react to the header/shot coming in at close range. So he just stood there like a dummy.

Tom Heaton isn't at the same level as Forster let alone Butland or Hart. With only Ben Foster to come back in we better not get any more injuries.

Great comeback it may have been, but it was far from a great performance. Our goalkeepers may have been ultimately at fault for the two goals in my opinion, but considering we were playing with Dier screening the back four, we should have been able to cut out the ball before getting to those positions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on March 29, 2016, 03:16:37 PM
It's not just about picking 11 players and sending them out to have a kick about (unless you are Tim Sherwood or Harry Redknapp).

The entire squad needs to be used to the manager's tactics and used to playing with each other.

Those that played on Saturday did well for the most part, but there's other players you deserve a crack (Drinkwater) and players who have genuine talent (Sturridge). They need to play.

The question remains, why is Milner playing?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: hardtobeat on March 29, 2016, 03:39:04 PM
The question remains, why is Milner playing?
Because he´s a whole lot better than Henderson and quite probably Lallana  :D :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on March 29, 2016, 04:29:47 PM
Because he´s a whole lot better than Henderson and quite probably Lallana  :D :D

Agree on henderson, who is a typical england "got a great engine" player, not a lot else to his merit though
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on March 29, 2016, 05:18:51 PM
If you want England to play like they did you do need a Milner or Henderson type in there though who'll stick to their job and positioning otherwise the midfield will get completely overrun if you play Barkley who has a habit of switching off or getting caught on the ball, talented though he is. Neither of whom are bad players either, Henderson's not having a very good season but was Liverpool's best midfielder the two seasons before that. Milner has had a good season and was a key part of a side the won the league twice.

Now if Wilshere was actually fit he could slot into that position no problem, but that's a very big ask at this stage.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 29, 2016, 07:13:43 PM
(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2016/3/29/3b229d37-3a65-480f-8f99-180f87a994f6.png)

This looks very much a 2nd string and I'd only really consider Smalling and Sturridge for the opening game of the Euro's.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBArgo on March 29, 2016, 07:15:54 PM
If you want England to play like they did you do need a Milner or Henderson type in there though who'll stick to their job and positioning otherwise the midfield will get completely overrun if you play Barkley who has a habit of switching off or getting caught on the ball, talented though he is. Neither of whom are bad players either, Henderson's not having a very good season but was Liverpool's best midfielder the two seasons before that. Milner has had a good season and was a key part of a side the won the league twice.

Now if Wilshere was actually fit he could slot into that position no problem, but that's a very big ask at this stage.
Spot on. Barkley is a joy to watch from a neutral perspective but he's also bad out of possession and can easily lose the ball. Great player, but would be bad for balance if he's not at it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 29, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
Yawn, like watching paint dry !!!

Maybe I should switch it off as I'm obviously a jinx with England when it comes to watching them on the TV.

Theres me n me big mouth, ha ha ha
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on March 29, 2016, 08:45:38 PM
Avin a party ay he!  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on March 29, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
Get in Vardy, Milner looks old.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 29, 2016, 09:00:28 PM
I don't rate Milner or Lallana as first XI but the build up to the goal they were fantastic along with Sturridge and Vardy couldn't miss.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: royhan on March 29, 2016, 09:41:02 PM
There was no way England were going to win tonight because I backed them to win!  I put the kiss of death on all football bets. Tonight's ref is also looking through orange coloured spectacles.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 29, 2016, 09:48:42 PM
Ref was fine.  England poor without Alli. Cannot believe Hoddle just gave Drinkwater man of the match. Clearly not up to it.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 29, 2016, 09:49:46 PM
Ref was fine.  England poor without Alli. Cannot believe Hoddle just gave Drinkwater man of the match. Clearly not up to it.

Most blatant foul I have ever seen on Jagielka.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 29, 2016, 09:51:37 PM
Most blatant foul I have ever seen on Jagielka.

No chance he should have cleared it. Awful player at this level.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 29, 2016, 09:54:34 PM
No chance he should have cleared it. Awful player at this level.

Whether he should have cleared it or not or even if he is awful isn't the point. Still can't nail someone in the back lol!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on March 30, 2016, 08:03:57 AM
I don't really see it as a negative that we weren't very good last night. All it will have done is convince Roy that most of those players simply don't deserve a place in the starting XI for the Championships.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 30, 2016, 08:22:37 AM

play your best inform team, the ones playing tonight have had their chance, some of them anyway. keep the ones who peformed brilliantly on sat in tonights team i say


normal service resumed
as i said slow slow quick, we should be going into a tournament with some momentum. the same team should have started after saturday
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 30, 2016, 09:54:03 AM
Most blatant foul I have ever seen on Jagielka.

Were you also moaning when Germany had a goal disallowed for offside that was clearly onside?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 30, 2016, 10:15:26 AM
How can you say that's not a foul on Jagielka? Clearance or not it's a shove in the back and a free kick.

If that happened to the Albion we would be going potty
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on March 30, 2016, 10:22:44 AM
Were you also moaning when Germany had a goal disallowed for offside that was clearly onside?

I can probably answer that for him - no! I'm pretty sure he's English. When would a supporter of a team ever moan if a bad decision went their way? Of course we'd moan if it went against us. That's the nature of the beast.

Swings and roundabouts though isn't it with regards to poor refereeing decisions.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 30, 2016, 10:26:38 AM
Were you also moaning when Germany had a goal disallowed for offside that was clearly onside?

Weren't really moaning anyway just replying to Jacko saying the referee was fine.

And no I wasn't moaning in Germany I was laughing and telling them to sit down!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 30, 2016, 05:24:17 PM
the atmosphere at wembley was as flat as the performance, its good the next 2 england home games are around the grounds
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 30, 2016, 05:28:40 PM
the atmosphere at wembley was as flat as the performance, its good the next 2 england home games are around the grounds

Yeah I never go to home games, normally manage to get someone who wants to go so I buy the tickets and give them away.

Been to a couple and they are shocking, especially when it's midweek games. I might go to the Turkey game though at the City of Manchester.

If anyone does need tickets to home games on here just ask  ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 30, 2016, 05:30:26 PM
Yeah I never go to home games, normally manage to get someone who wants to go so I buy the tickets and give them away.

Been to a couple and they are shocking, especially when it's midweek games. I might go to the Turkey game though at the City of Manchester.

If anyone does need tickets to home games on here just ask  ;)


I quite fancy the Portugal game ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 31, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Gary Neville. For me he should take over from Roy
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 31, 2016, 10:25:35 AM
Gary Neville. For me he should take over from Roy
There are a few Valencia fans that would be happy with that.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 31, 2016, 10:44:43 AM
There are a few Valencia fans that would be happy with that.


up against it from the off when he went there and wasnt given a fair crack, a bit like pepe :) here.

Pepe for Valencia
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on March 31, 2016, 10:47:22 AM

up against it from the off when he went there and wasnt given a fair crack, a bit like pepe :) here.

Pepe for Valencia


When I read your user name pop up on the reply to the previous post I knew you were going to write something like that regarding Pepe.

 :P :P ;).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 31, 2016, 10:49:32 AM
When I read your user name pop up on the reply to the previous post I knew you were going to write something like that regarding Pepe.

 :P :P ;).


you calling me mr predictable :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on March 31, 2016, 10:53:03 AM

you calling me mr predictable :)

Not at all Mr Predictable.
SOTV  ;).
 8).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Webby on March 31, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Roy retires and Jose takes over. That's what he means when he says he has a job lined up in summer. Heard it here 1st ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on March 31, 2016, 03:09:11 PM
Just booked four days up in Bratislava for England vs Slovakia in September.

Be great to see us as champions at an away game  :P :o ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on March 31, 2016, 06:38:25 PM
Just booked four days up in Bratislava for England vs Slovakia in September.

Be great to see us as champions at an away game  :P :o ;D

Fairplay, think we are going to wait till after the euros to book. Looking at flying to Vienna, having a day or two there then on to Slovakia.

If you get the chance to go to Slovenia in October jump all over it, fantastic place Ljubljana is very cheap beer and just an all round cracking city.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on April 01, 2016, 01:58:23 PM
Fairplay, think we are going to wait till after the euros to book. Looking at flying to Vienna, having a day or two there then on to Slovakia.

If you get the chance to go to Slovenia in October jump all over it, fantastic place Ljubljana is very cheap beer and just an all round cracking place.

I'll probably do that one too, we looked at Vienna but the flights had gone up too much
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on April 09, 2016, 02:36:35 PM
Andy Carroll hat tricks. That's his seat now reserved on the plane.  ::)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2016, 09:00:47 PM
Andy Carroll hat tricks. That's his seat now reserved on the plane.  ::)

Think he's worth a slot if fit. Adds a totally different dimension to any side last 15/20 minutes. Prefer him to Welbeck certainly. With Henderson's injury Rooney could go as a midfielder, not totally beyond the realms they'd also take Kane, Sturridge, Vardy, Welbeck and Carroll.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: nick_wba on April 19, 2016, 08:30:35 AM
What do you all think about Marcus Rashford? Would anyone here take him to the Euros? Seems a hell of a player for such a young lad.

Of course you have to take Kane, Sturridge and Vardy - but it would be a toss up between Rashford and Welbeck for me.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 19, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
What do you all think about Marcus Rashford? Would anyone here take him to the Euros? Seems a hell of a player for such a young lad.

Of course you have to take Kane, Sturridge and Vardy - but it would be a toss up between Rashford and Welbeck for me.

No chance. On a par with Berahino 2 years ago. Get him in the under 21s and see what happens. Welbeck is a shoe in under Roy.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on April 19, 2016, 10:01:48 AM
What do you all think about Marcus Rashford? Would anyone here take him to the Euros? Seems a hell of a player for such a young lad.

Of course you have to take Kane, Sturridge and Vardy - but it would be a toss up between Rashford and Welbeck for me.


No chance. Rashford could easily be a five minute wonder, there is no chance of him going to the Euro's. I think it's obvious who the five strikers are - Kane, Vardy, Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on April 19, 2016, 10:43:26 AM

No chance. Rashford could easily be a five minute wonder, there is no chance of him going to the Euro's. I think it's obvious who the five strikers are - Kane, Vardy, Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck.

And id be happy with those 5

Although I would consider Carroll myself
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on April 19, 2016, 11:11:19 AM
Welbeck will 100% go (if fit), fits into Roys system and provides alot of defensive cover.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on April 19, 2016, 11:56:10 AM
If England are going to play a diamond in midfield as option A like they employed against Germany second half, then the squad will be pretty close to this I reckon:


                                             Hart
                                             Forster
                                             AN Other


Clyne                   Smalling                          Cahill                      Rose
Walker                 Stones                             Jagielka                  Bertrand


                                             Dier
                                             Drinkwater


                           Wilshere                          Henderson
                           Lallana                            Milner


                                             Alli
                                             Rooney


                          Vardy                                Kane
                         Welbeck                             Sturridge
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 19, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
If England are going to play a diamond in midfield as option A like they employed against Germany second half, then the squad will be pretty close to this I reckon:


                                             Hart
                                             Forster
                                             AN Other


Clyne                   Smalling                          Cahill                      Rose
Walker                 Stones                             Jagielka                  Bertrand


                                             Dier
                                             Drinkwater


                           Wilshere                          Henderson
                           Lallana                            Milner


                                             Alli
                                             Rooney


                          Vardy                                Kane
                         Welbeck                             Sturridge

Drinkwater won't go and Barkley definitely will. Aside from that you'll be pretty close. Foster will almost certainly be the number 3 keeper.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on April 19, 2016, 12:41:01 PM
Drinkwater won't go and Barkley definitely will. Aside from that you'll be pretty close. Foster will almost certainly be the number 3 keeper.


I think you may be right. I just wonder if Roy will take more of a holding player than Barkley for squad balance?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on April 19, 2016, 01:20:40 PM
If England are going to play a diamond in midfield as option A like they employed against Germany second half, then the squad will be pretty close to this I reckon:


                                             Hart
                                             Forster
                                             AN Other


Clyne                   Smalling                          Cahill                      Rose
Walker                 Stones                             Jagielka                  Bertrand


                                             Dier
                                             Drinkwater


                           Wilshere                          Henderson
                           Lallana                            Milner


                                             Alli
                                             Rooney


                          Vardy                                Kane
                         Welbeck                             Sturridge

As good as he is at times, would be a massive crime and kick in the b*lls to Drinkwater etc if Wilshere was to go to the Euros.

The lad at best will only get 4 games between now and the end of the season, taking a place of someone who like Drinkwater/Barkley etc have peformed well all season for their respective teams.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DaveWBA on April 19, 2016, 01:22:19 PM
As good as he is at times, would be a massive crime and kick in the b*lls to Drinkwater etc if Wilshere was to go to the Euros.

The lad at best will only get 4 games between now and the end of the season, taking a place of someone who like Drinkwater/Barkley etc have peformed well all season for their respective teams.

Wilshere played a key role in a team that won 10 competitive games on the bounce, if he's fit I'd put him in over someone with no international experience.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 19, 2016, 01:27:58 PM
Atomic's squad was virtually spot on imo.


                                             Hart
                                             Forster
                                             Foster


Clyne                   Smalling                          Cahill                      Rose
Walker                 Stones                             Jagielka                  Bertrand


                                             Dier
                                             Drinkwater Wilshere


                           Barkley                          Henderson (injured perhaps)
                           Lallana                            Milner


                                             Alli
                                             Rooney


                          Vardy                                Kane
                         Welbeck                             Sturridge
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: seteefeet on April 19, 2016, 02:24:02 PM
As good as he is at times, would be a massive crime and kick in the b*lls to Drinkwater etc if Wilshere was to go to the Euros.

The lad at best will only get 4 games between now and the end of the season, taking a place of someone who like Drinkwater/Barkley etc have peformed well all season for their respective teams.
He's also a total cock and overrated. No way should he go ahead of those two.
Drinkwater will likely go as the lynchpin of the Champions, whereby Wilshere is a bit part, crock in the 4th placed team.
International experience or not, form and confidence should count above media hype.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on April 19, 2016, 02:34:29 PM
If you're going to take another holding bloke surely it has to be Noble?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: nick_wba on April 19, 2016, 02:39:20 PM
If you're going to take another holding bloke surely it has to be Noble?

Part of me agrees with you. Personally I think he's performed far better than Milner this season but there's not a chance Roy will omit Milner in favour of Noble. Going on form alone the three holding players would have to be Noble, Dier and Drinkwater - but the likelihood is Dier will be the only one on the plane.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: robbo_wba on April 19, 2016, 04:41:53 PM
Atomic's squad was virtually spot on imo.


                                             Hart
                                             Forster
                                             Foster


Clyne                              Smalling                          Cahill                      Rose
Walker                 Stones                             Jagielka                  Bertrand


                                             Dier
                                             Drinkwater Wilshere


                           Barkley                          Henderson (injured perhaps)
                           Lallana                            Milner


                                                   Alli
            Walcott                         Rooney                           Sterling


                          Vardy                                Kane
                         Welbeck                             Sturridge

I would take just 7 defenders, as Stones/Smalling/Dier and Jones (if he is taken instead of Jagielka) can all cover at right back. So only one of Clyne or Walker is needed and that is 50/50 for me. I think Roy is also likely to do this as he did at the World Cup.

You need a winger or 2, and Sterling looks to be back fit and is 100% to go.

Then it's between Walcott and Milner for the final place for me - depends how attacking you are but I would have to take Theo.

Drinkwater or Milner to go if Henderson is not fit.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 19, 2016, 05:01:45 PM
anyone fancy the semis?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on April 19, 2016, 05:03:28 PM
anyone fancy the semis?

I honestly do fancy us to get to the semis this year, hopefully anyway as I have tickets for that and the final.

Sure we will get let down again though :-[
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on April 19, 2016, 05:12:39 PM
England will win Euro 2016, mark my words.

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 19, 2016, 05:12:55 PM
I honestly do fancy us to get to the semis this year, hopefully anyway as I have tickets for that and the final.

Sure we will get let down again though :-[


wait until the songs start coming out in the charts then the whole country will believe the hype again :)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 20, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
So Folks how far will England go in the Euros, i think semis this time around
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2016, 05:02:36 PM
Totally forgot England were playing today. Bit of a half and half team without the Liverpool and Manchester United players.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2016, 05:17:32 PM
The team starting today is what I would start with in the Russia game
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2016, 05:20:23 PM
The team starting today is what I would start with in the Russia game

Clyne, Smalling and Rooney will definitely pay the first Euro's game, Sturridge and Milner may.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2016, 05:30:59 PM
Our goal was offside and that equaliser is dreadful by Hart.  >:(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2016, 05:53:35 PM
Atmosphere much better than the recent games at Wembley
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2016, 06:56:20 PM
Dive by Vardy, missed penalty. Roy bringing on 2 defensive midfielders... Euro 2016 winners... You're having a laugh.

edit.

Haha, dreadful defending and we're winning again!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on May 22, 2016, 06:58:35 PM
Vardy scores, 2-1.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on May 22, 2016, 07:05:26 PM
P49   W29   D13   L7   win %59.1

Roy may not be the medias love child, but his record is excellent, 14% loss rate is superb
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2016, 07:12:22 PM
Lucky, our first offside and they should also have had a penalty, vardy didn't dive. Turkey look dangerous, our center halves look nervous
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 22, 2016, 07:13:51 PM
P49   W29   D13   L7   win %59.1

Roy may not be the medias love child, but his record is excellent, 14% loss rate is superb



Pity he played a part in our worst World Cup finals ever
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on May 22, 2016, 07:26:39 PM
P49   W29   D13   L7   win %59.1

Roy may not be the medias love child, but his record is excellent, 14% loss rate is superb

Unfortunately for him he will be judged on what England won tournament wise! Its all right beating the poorer teams in qualifiers and friendlies, when it comes down to the nitty gritty England have failed.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggie53 on May 22, 2016, 07:31:24 PM
Lucky, our first offside and they should also have had a penalty, vardy didn't dive. Turkey look dangerous, our center halves look nervous

Vardy didn't dive as such, but as he has done a few times this season, he moved his leg across in front of the defenders legs, so the defender couldn't help but make contact
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2016, 08:16:33 PM
Vardy didn't dive as such, but as he has done a few times this season, he moved his leg across in front of the defenders legs, so the defender couldn't help but make contact

The accepted narrative seems to be: he initiated contact. Either way it is cheating.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 23, 2016, 11:23:56 AM
Unfortunately for him he will be judged on what England won tournament wise! Its all right beating the poorer teams in qualifiers and friendlies, when it comes down to the nitty gritty England have failed.

Only 1 country can win a tournament every 2 years though. I think its a bit harsh to say we have failed being as based on our squad compared to the squads of other countries, our performance and results in recent tournaments have been pretty standard.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 23, 2016, 11:28:10 AM
Only 1 country can win a tournament every 2 years though. I think its a bit harsh to say we have failed being as based on our squad compared to the squads of other countries, our performance and results in recent tournaments have been pretty standard.

I don't think he means trophy wins. But tournament performance (how far you get)

The Brazil World Cup was the worst in our history.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on May 23, 2016, 01:04:30 PM
I don't think he means trophy wins. But tournament performance (how far you get)

The Brazil World Cup was the worst in our history.

except when we didn't qualify !
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 23, 2016, 01:08:10 PM
Hodgson without doubt should have gone after Brazil after the worst tournement finals in our history.I suspect he will be looking for work in August
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 23, 2016, 01:10:27 PM
Hodgson without doubt should have gone after Brazil after the worst tournemont finals in our history.I suspect he will be looking for work in August

I would have him back, no question.

Even though he will take a half-fit Wilshere and Henderson over players like Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on May 23, 2016, 01:38:51 PM
All subjective of course, but you could make a compelling argument that 2014 was also the worst England squad ever to grace a World Cup tournament.  You can't give a man a Lego set and then expect him to build the Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2016, 04:35:13 PM
did i hear correct, a booze ban for the England v Wales game at the Euros
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 24, 2016, 04:58:00 PM
did i hear correct, a booze ban for the England v Wales game at the Euros

Where have you seen or heard this? Looks like I'll have to stock the campervan up big time if that's the case!!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on May 24, 2016, 05:00:52 PM
Where have you seen or heard this? Looks like I'll have to stock the campervan up big time if that's the case!!

Welsh fans have been told through the WFA. All over the England Forum Lee
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 24, 2016, 05:29:18 PM
Where have you seen or heard this? Looks like I'll have to stock the campervan up big time if that's the case!!

I wouldn't bother, police will target vehicles for search and confiscation according to the reports.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 24, 2016, 06:05:37 PM
i was going to go, drink makes for a better atmosphere.i will go down the local now.
Does this mean any fanzones over there are drink free?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 24, 2016, 06:22:17 PM
i was going to go, drink makes for a better atmosphere.i will go down the local now.
Does this mean any fanzones over there are drink free?

No just the streets of Lens for 24 hours of that game, the fanzone will be serving alcohol in Lens but this only holds 10,000 so little chance of getting in unless you queue from the morning as they are expecting 100,000. Also some bars will be still serving alcohol in the town, just basically no street drinking.

Lille which is only 40 minutes away will probably be the best place to go for the Wales game if no match ticket.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 25, 2016, 09:23:23 AM
for Roy to keep his job going into the next world cup we need to finish in the top 4
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 25, 2016, 09:25:14 AM
is this drinking issue all over france for everyone else
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 25, 2016, 09:39:56 AM
is this drinking issue all over france for everyone else

No mate just literally from 6am on the Thursday for 24hours and only in lens
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on May 27, 2016, 07:46:53 PM
Come on Rashford, make yourself a hero!
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on May 27, 2016, 07:51:51 PM
GET INNNNNNNNNNNN
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 27, 2016, 07:52:40 PM
wow 2mins 8secs goal for Rashford
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gavinrussell on May 27, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
Will Roy take him ?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on May 27, 2016, 08:58:52 PM
Will Roy take him ?

Has to take him.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 28, 2016, 08:58:05 AM
Even keeping in mind Australia are poor opposition it was a great debut performance for Rashford and makes it extremely difficult for Roy to leave him out of the squad now. I'll be honest I was quite concerned by our defending in the game last night we looked very shaky and it will need to be worked on if we are to stand any chance of getting to the later stages of the Euros.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on May 28, 2016, 11:32:18 AM
Thought the Aussies played some good football.

With a little more composure around the 'box' we could have been on the end of a fisting  :o  ;).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on May 28, 2016, 01:03:35 PM
is this drinking issue all over france for everyone else

Apart from England v Wales match there will be 3 other games played with the same alcohol ban so, it's not just us.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36372446
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 31, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
Have we announced the 23 yet
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gavinrussell on May 31, 2016, 02:14:51 PM
Rashford and Sturridge are in..
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on May 31, 2016, 02:20:06 PM
Strange leaving out Townsend. No real pace and width , Townsend provides something different.

I would have left Lallana , doesn't do much.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on May 31, 2016, 02:22:23 PM
Here's a link for the squad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36413882?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_match_of_the_day&ns_source=facebook&ns_linkname=sport
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
Strange leaving out Townsend. No real pace and width , Townsend provides something different.

I would have left Lallana , doesn't do much.


I'd have left Rashford out. What is the point of taking him he isn't going to play and with Kane, Vardy, Sturridge and Rooney we are very strong upfront. I agree Townsend would've given us a different option. I hope we don't regret not taking him.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 02:41:29 PM
As usual the names get in the squad over the form players - Jack Wheelchair and Henderson over Drinkwater is an absolute joke.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on May 31, 2016, 02:42:38 PM
As usual the names get in the squad over the form players - Jack Wheelchair and Henderson over Drinkwater is an absolute joke.


Is it? I think both are far better players than Drinkwater.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DaveWBA on May 31, 2016, 02:53:48 PM
Right move to leave Drinkwater out.

Wilshere and Henderson are not only better they also played key roles in a team that won every game in qualifying.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on May 31, 2016, 03:19:08 PM

Is it? I think both are far better players than Drinkwater.

Henderson couldnt lace Drinkwaters boots. Drinkwater is a class above Henderson

Id have left out Sterling and Henderson
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 31, 2016, 03:23:12 PM
Think the squad is fine. Wouldn't have taken Rashford as he just won't play similar to when Walcott went to the WC at 18.

Wilshere has been picked ahead of Drinkwater. Henderson/Milner/Dier were always going to go.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on May 31, 2016, 03:29:34 PM
Drinkwater for me isn't as good as people are making out. Kante made him look a lot better than he is in my opinion
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 03:30:42 PM

Is it? I think both are far better players than Drinkwater.

One of them played a key role in a team that won the league, the other two spent most of the season injured.

I know who I would take.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: seteefeet on May 31, 2016, 03:34:07 PM
Right move to leave Drinkwater out.

Wilshere and Henderson are not only better they also played key roles in a team that won every game in qualifying.
Not half fit they aren't.
Hopefully they are both fully fit because if they break down (same applies to Sturridge) Roy could live to regret it.
All in all though, if all fully functioning, I think we have a good squad capable of having a very good Tournament.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DaveWBA on May 31, 2016, 03:46:25 PM
One of them played a key role in a team that won the league, the other two spent most of the season injured.

I know who I would take.

Two of them played key roles in a team that won 10 consecutive games in qualifying. The other has played 2/3 games at international level.

Drinkwater has had a good season and deserves to be blooded into the side throughout the next qualifying campaign to see if he can cut it. A major tournament playing in the middle of midfield against some of the most experienced names in European football is not the time or place to find out he isn't good enough; if it goes wrong he may never recover and we could potentially lose an England international for future years. Just look what happened to Ryan Shawcross, and that was in a friendly albeit against Ibrahimovic.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 03:52:16 PM
Two of them played key roles in a team that won 10 consecutive games in qualifying. The other has played 2/3 games at international level.

Drinkwater has had a good season and deserves to be blooded into the side throughout the next qualifying campaign to see if he can cut it. A major tournament playing in the middle of midfield against some of the most experienced names in European football is not the time or place to find out he isn't good enough; if it goes wrong he may never recover and we could potentially lose an England international for future years. Just look what happened to Ryan Shawcross, and that was in a friendly albeit against Ibrahimovic.

When was qualifying again? Mostly the season before last wasn't it?

If form counts for nothing we may as well call up Lampard, Gerrard and Ashley Cole while we're at it, they used to be decent.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: DaveWBA on May 31, 2016, 03:55:39 PM
When was qualifying again? Mostly the season before last wasn't it?

If form counts for nothing we may as well call up Lampard, Gerrard and Ashley Cole while we're at it, they used to be decent.

Hodgson has played a system throughout the qualifying campaign that he wants to take into the Euros. Wilshere featured and excelled in that system, to a lesser extent so did Henderson. It's a no brainer for the sake of 4/5 games in a major tournament you want players who have been there and done it to some degree before.

Drinkwater will be introduced during the WC Qualifiers, then we'll see if he's good enough/if he fits the way Hodgson wants to play.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 31, 2016, 04:00:42 PM
Hodgson has played a system throughout the qualifying campaign that he wants to take into the Euros. Wilshere featured and excelled in that system, to a lesser extent so did Henderson. It's a no brainer for the sake of 4/5 games in a major tournament you want players who have been there and done it to some degree before.

Drinkwater will be introduced during the WC Qualifiers, then we'll see if he's good enough/if he fits the way Hodgson wants to play.


hopefully hes gone by then
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 31, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

hopefully hes gone by then

I'm more than happy for him to stay if I am honest, fancy us for the semis this time.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on May 31, 2016, 04:17:55 PM
Hodgson has done a great job and in my eyes he's the best England manager since Glenn Hoddle. I fancy us to go all the way, I can't see many teams who have the talented players we have.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 31, 2016, 04:31:50 PM
I'm more than happy for him to stay if I am honest, fancy us for the semis this time.


Thats the bare minimum, anything else is failure. hes lucky he didnt get the boot after the shocking showing in Brazil
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
One of them played a key role in a team that won the league, the other two spent most of the season injured.

I know who I would take.

Not really a key role is it. Vardy, Mahrez, and Kante were their key players then their back 4. He had a very specific and very limited job in that Leicester team that doesn't exist in this England team People who think all of Leicester's squad are suddenly world class are presumably the same type who were complaining when someone like Cleverley would get picked just for playing for Man U, even if they won the league. Both were wrong.

Wilshere's so much better, so much more talented than Drinkwater its not even funny. If Arsenal had the chance to swap Wilshere for Drinkwater do you actually think they would? Of course not. If he's not injured currently it makes absolutely no sense to not pick him. A lot of people let personal dislike of Wilshere cloud their judgement. Talent wise he's nearly unrivaled in that squad. The team doesn't lack for triers in midfield, it does lack for genuine quality on the ball in midfield that Wilshere offers.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Lloydy on May 31, 2016, 04:50:48 PM
Not really a key role is it. Vardy, Mahrez, and Kante were their key players then their back 4. He had a very specific and very limited job in that Leicester team that doesn't exist in this England team People who think all of Leicester's squad are suddenly world class are presumably the same type who were complaining when someone like Cleverley would get picked just for playing for Man U, even if they won the league. Both were wrong.

Wilshere's so much better, so much more talented than Drinkwater its not even funny. If Arsenal had the chance to swap Wilshere for Drinkwater do you actually think they would? Of course not. If he's not injured currently it makes absolutely no sense to not pick him. A lot of people let personal dislike of Wilshere cloud their judgement. Talent wise he's nearly unrivaled in that squad. The team doesn't lack for triers in midfield, it does lack for genuine quality on the ball in midfield that Wilshere offers.

No they wouldn't, but the fact that they don't sign players that do the dirty work is why they haven't won the league for over a decade. You don't win the league with a team of Wilshere's.

Sometimes it's about the team rather than packing the team full of talented individuals and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Webby on May 31, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
Hodgson has done a great job and in my eyes he's the best England manager since Glenn Hoddle. I fancy us to go all the way, I can't see many teams who have the talented players we have.

Our defence is beyond poor unfortunately.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2016, 04:57:29 PM
No they wouldn't, but the fact that they don't sign players that do the dirty work is why they haven't won the league for over a decade. You don't win the league with a team of Wilshere's.

Sometimes it's about the team rather than packing the team full of talented individuals and hoping for the best.

If the team wants a hard worker willing to do the dirty work (which Wilshere more than is by the way, he's very combative) there's already Dier, Milner and Henderson in that squad. Drinkwater is just the same but worse.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 31, 2016, 05:08:10 PM

Thats the bare minimum, anything else is failure. hes lucky he didn't get the boot after the shocking showing in Brazil

I'd say quarters are minimum, Could meet a very good team at that stage and as this squad is probably the weakest for over 20 years I think its a bit unfair saying semis is minimum.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 31, 2016, 06:32:24 PM
Not sure I get the comparisons with Wilshere and Drinkwater, both have different attributes and suit different roles. I understand the unease of selecting Wilshire for his injury record but I don't think there is any doubt that he would offer more than Drinkwater can for this England side and how we play.

Think the squad is pretty well balanced.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on May 31, 2016, 07:19:49 PM

hopefully hes gone by then

Bizarre, I hope he is manager for the next 20years because that means England would have had to be successful. wishing him gone means he's failed, means england fail...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 31, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Bizarre, I hope he is manager for the next 20years because that means England would have had to be successful. wishing him gone means he's failed, means england fail...


the biggest failure in our history of world cup finals in 2014, hes lucky to still be england manager any other nation would have sacked on such a dismal showing



You wouldn't have it would you, he should resign now
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on May 31, 2016, 07:45:18 PM

the biggest failure in our history of world cup finals in 2014, hes lucky to still be england manager any other nation would have sacked on such a dismal showing

It was poor but Uruguay and Italy were much better teams than us and it was all over by the time we played Costa Rica.

Not as if we were the best team in the group but majorly cocked it up.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on May 31, 2016, 09:28:32 PM

the biggest failure in our history of world cup finals in 2014, hes lucky to still be england manager any other nation would have sacked on such a dismal showing

It wasn't dismal. England played well against Italy and were unlucky to lose whilst Suarez was the difference in an even game against the Copa America champions at the time.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on May 31, 2016, 10:53:51 PM
You have to admit we have goals in the team for what seems like an age, the pressure is off Rooney to deliver all the goals. If we go far could potentially see an Englishmen as golden boot for tourney.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 01, 2016, 01:48:47 PM
You have to admit we have goals in the team for what seems like an age, the pressure is off Rooney to deliver all the goals. If we go far could potentially see an Englishmen as golden boot for tourney.

lets not get carried away,
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2016, 02:13:35 PM
Any new football tunes for this competition
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Webby on June 01, 2016, 04:40:14 PM
Any new football tunes for this competition

Can't beat 3 lions, Vindaloo and obviously Ant and Dec's masterpiece ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on June 01, 2016, 04:43:36 PM
Amazing if we won this tournament on the 50th anniversary of winning the World Cup

Don't think we will win but if we play well enough we will do well I feel and then anything can happen
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Jimmy on June 01, 2016, 05:00:36 PM
lets not get carried away,

I'm an England fan and I'll get carried away if I want to.  :P
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: baggie53 on June 01, 2016, 07:07:37 PM
Any new football tunes for this competition

I just wish they would ban that bloody band, it's worse than the South African vuvuzelas - I have to watch with the sound off when England are on telly
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2016, 08:49:41 AM
anyone going tonight
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 02, 2016, 01:07:11 PM
anyone going tonight
Where?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2016, 01:11:44 PM
Where?


the home of football
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on June 02, 2016, 01:13:36 PM
Where?

Wembley
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 02, 2016, 02:46:40 PM
Where?

I'd totally forgotten England were playing...
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on June 02, 2016, 02:47:50 PM
Decent game against decent opposition tonight.

Will be watching
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Powelly on June 02, 2016, 02:48:06 PM
anyone going tonight

Not tonight, money saved over these 3 warm up games for me will be spent in several bars in France starting next Saturday  :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Mister AT on June 02, 2016, 02:50:00 PM

the home of football

Home of football, you mean The Hawthorns?

The home of entertainment.  ;)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 02, 2016, 03:23:51 PM
Home of football, you mean The Hawthorns?

The home of entertainment
.  ;)

Not while Pulis is here.  :o :'(
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 02, 2016, 03:26:21 PM
The home of light entertainment?

or is that now, entertainment lite?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 02, 2016, 08:01:14 PM
Alli playing deep to accommodate Rooney.  :-\
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: caravanc58 on June 02, 2016, 08:51:41 PM
there's got to be a better player than milner , not sure what his role is supposed to be.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 02, 2016, 09:30:49 PM
there's got to be a better player than milner , not sure what his role is supposed to be.

Worker, classic Hodgson type, shoe-in for this team at the Euro's.

The whole thing has been very poor, hope he's got a plan B for next Saturday.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheBrom on June 02, 2016, 10:40:09 PM
Think the Portuguese defender's tackle was the highlight of that
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on June 02, 2016, 11:35:09 PM
Don't mean to be harsh given it was a warm up game but.......

Fitted players to a system rather than using a system more befitting of the players talents.

Unbalanced, exposed and largely ineffective.

Not just the system though, some very basic and poor decision making on the pitch.

Just hope Roy and the players were trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the opposition before the real fun begins.
 :-X.

COME ON ENGLAND, COME ON ENGLAND.
 8).
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 03, 2016, 08:01:31 AM
Playing Rooney just un-balances the middle and front of the team, whatever you think of Rooney (personally I think he is Vastly over-rated) he should not play in the England side.
Have him on the bench in case we need something to change a game, but please Roy don't start him.

Leicester have clearly demonstrated you don't need big names to win football matches.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Lloydy on June 03, 2016, 08:16:05 AM
I have no issue with the eleven picked last night, that is the team I would pick against Russia. However the way Roy set us up was so wrong! Rooney up front with Kane and Vardy, with all their goals, stuck out wide and at times having to track back into their own half to defend.

The midfield was far too narrow, Milner and Alli needed to be a little wider, with Rooney at the tip of the diamond rather than up front and Kane and Vardy as a genuine front two.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 03, 2016, 08:18:01 AM
Rooney should not be starting and Roy keep finding a place in the team for him will get him the sack
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: nick_wba on June 03, 2016, 08:56:26 AM
I do think fat Wayne should start, but he should be playing in the deep-lying midfield role like he did in the FA Cup semi final against Everton, thought he played brilliantly there. Aggressive box-to-box play.

I agree in that he disrupted the front 3, but to be honest Vardy was pretty much invisible in the system we played last night. Welbeck will be greatly missed.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tommcneill on June 03, 2016, 09:19:40 AM
I do think fat Wayne should start, but he should be playing in the deep-lying midfield role like he did in the FA Cup semi final against Everton, thought he played brilliantly there. Aggressive box-to-box play.

I agree in that he disrupted the front 3, but to be honest Vardy was pretty much invisible in the system we played last night. Welbeck will be greatly missed.

If Roy is going to pick a front three then he should have chosen 2 wide attackers who can play that system instead of picking 5 central strikers....

Jees the man is paid an enormous amount of money to know this!!

Personally for me Rooney plays, alongside Kane with Vardy as the impact player off the bench



Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 03, 2016, 09:25:35 AM
After the game Roy said that Rooney was told to play as a 10 behind the front 2, Now maybe Wayne is hard of hearing or he's just far too important to listen to the manager, or lets be kind - over enthusiastic,  but he wasn't playing behind them was he?
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on June 03, 2016, 10:39:56 AM
We had years of trying to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard - it never really worked and it seems we are doing a similar thing with Rooney. Why do managers never bloody learn? We are diluting our own strengths.

It's perfectly simple to me, Kane and Vardy are both full of goals, you play them and you play the very talented and dangerous other goal threat Dele Alli behind them. From an attacking view point that trio is as strong as any team has in the tournament. Why the hell would you not go with that?

If Rooney doesn't fit into the side "naturally" then don't play him.

Jamie Vardy will be playing left wing next.  :-[
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 03, 2016, 10:43:19 AM
We had years of trying to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard - it never really worked and it seems we are doing a similar thing with Rooney. Why do managers never bloody learn? We are diluting our own strengths.

It's perfectly simple to me, Kane and Vardy are both full of goals, you play them and you play the very talented and dangerous other goal threat Dele Alli behind them. From an attacking view point that trio is as strong as any team has in the tournament. Why the hell would you not go with that?

If Rooney doesn't fit into the side "naturally" then don't play him.

Jamie Vardy will be playing left wing next.  :-[


great comment and very true
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 03, 2016, 10:59:14 AM
You need Rooney on the pitch. He has vast experience in International tournaments and we have a lot of players playing their first tournament. I would play him as a box to box midfielder.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: lewisant on June 03, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
You need Rooney on the pitch. He has vast experience in International tournaments and we have a lot of players playing their first tournament. I would play him as a box to box midfielder.

Vast experience of massive failures every single time. So are you saying we should drop one of two strikers that have 49 goals split between them this season? Or that Delle Alli should be wasted being played out of position or dropped? Or Rooney should be on the wing or defence midfield?

It's quite simple for me, Rooney's time is up and there are better options for this starting 11.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 03, 2016, 02:20:42 PM
Vast experience of massive failures every single time. So are you saying we should drop one of two strikers that have 49 goals split between them this season? Or that Delle Alli should be wasted being played out of position or dropped? Or Rooney should be on the wing or defence midfield?

It's quite simple for me, Rooney's time is up and there are better options for this starting 11.

Yes i think your post hits the nail on the head! Rooney has never set any tournament alight and i would question the hunger of a man who earns a reputed £300,000 a week.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 03, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
Vast experience of massive failures every single time. So are you saying we should drop one of two strikers that have 49 goals split between them this season? Or that Delle Alli should be wasted being played out of position or dropped? Or Rooney should be on the wing or defence midfield?

It's quite simple for me, Rooney's time is up and there are better options for this starting 11.



couldnt have put it any better
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 03, 2016, 03:42:54 PM
Just seen this! Had to say i was a bit suprised

Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 03, 2016, 10:15:24 PM
Can't win nowt with kids ;)

I'm not understanding the unrest because the forwards tracked back?, if they didn't folk would moan.
I'm not sure on the Rooney argument, he does have quality and experience, he also has a short fuse and a lack of pace...I suppose a better starter because coming on he would have no impact
I'm disappointed we didn't take Townsend , very direct and on confidence, but still think we actually have a chance, avoid Belgium and France and maybe..
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheBrom on June 03, 2016, 10:33:36 PM
Speaking of short fuse, I think alli needs to make sure he doesn't get wound up by the opposition. I think he'll be targeted by opposition looking to get him sent off
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Legend on June 06, 2016, 05:30:48 PM
Just had 20 quid on England to win the tournament. If Leicester can win the bloody Premier League then England can win Euro 2016. Have a bit of faith.  8)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: leeiswba on June 06, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
I've had £20 on England to win & Kane top scorer at 50/1
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 06, 2016, 09:42:26 PM
I've had £20 on England to win & Kane top scorer at 50/1

I wish I was your bookie  ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 07, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
Any new football tunes for this competition


just heard a catchy tune, the public house chorus- a nation of tribes. couple in video wearing Albion tops
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: SmethDan on June 07, 2016, 12:14:34 PM

just heard a catchy tune, the public house chorus- a nation of tribes. couple in video wearing Albion tops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUQ6WBaZXCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUQ6WBaZXCo)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Morany on June 07, 2016, 12:29:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUQ6WBaZXCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUQ6WBaZXCo)

Well that was dreadful  :o
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Webby on June 08, 2016, 11:06:00 AM
After watching the Euro96 thing on BBC and ITV it just makes me think people like Vardy should be playing. People that actually give a F (the Pulis work 'ard lot, but still have some actual talent).

I think they were the last bunch of footballers that cared genuinely, before money ruined it. Leaders all over the pitch.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 08, 2016, 03:53:19 PM
If Wayne Rooney starts i will need to few beers to get me in the mood

We all know Roy prefers him as a forward
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2016, 04:01:47 PM
So the build up is nearly complete, let's see some line-up's for Saturday. Roy's XI then your own personal choice, I'll start.

Roy's XI 4-3-3

Hart

Walker
Cahill
Smalling
Rose

Wilshere
Dier
Henderson

Alli
Kane
Rooney


My XI 4-4-2

Hart

Clyne
Stones
Smalling
Bertrand

Sterling
Dier
Alli
Milner

Sturridge
Kane
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Albionic on June 08, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
So the build up is nearly complete, let's see some line-up's for Saturday. Roy's XI then your own personal choice, I'll start.

Roy's XI 4-3-3

Hart

Walker
Cahill
Smalling
Rose

Wilshere
Dier
Henderson

Alli
Kane
Rooney


My XI 4-4-2

Hart

Clyne
Stones
Smalling
Bertrand

Sterling
Dier
Alli
Milner

Sturridge
Kane

Glad roys in charge not you :-)

I would go with your Roy team but with Vardy instead of Rooney
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 08, 2016, 04:15:49 PM
Glad roys in charge not you :-)

I would go with your Roy team but with Vardy instead of Rooney


same here
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 08, 2016, 11:00:00 PM
Roy's = Rooney + 10 others

Mine...

Seaman

Pearce
Adams
Walker
Neville

Barnes
Beckham
Gascogne
Waddle

Shearer/lineker

We would be OK? :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 08, 2016, 11:02:59 PM
Roy's = Rooney + 10 others

Mine...

Seaman

Pearce
Adams
Walker
Neville

Barnes
Beckham
Gascogne
Waddle

Shearer/lineker

We would be OK? :D

Beckham never worked in centre mid.  :P
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 09, 2016, 11:16:03 AM
Hart

Neville
Campbell
Adams
Cole

Beckham
Scholes
Barry
Sinclair

Sheringham
Shearer

That's my best from memory

As for 1st game

--------------- Hart -------------

Clyne - Smalling - Cahill - Rose

----------------Dier--------------

------------ Alli - Barkley --------

Sturridge ---------------  Vardy

--------------- Kane -------------
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 09, 2016, 11:58:47 AM
TV Coverage for the euros BBC or ITV?. i dont like lineker so its ITV for me. ITV have improved, maybe because Adrians gone
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: smethwickw on June 09, 2016, 12:37:50 PM
TV Coverage for the euros BBC or ITV?. i dont like lineker so its ITV for me. ITV have improved, maybe because Adrians gone

BBC for me. No adverts.

Pougatch is a huge improvement over Chiles but I think he comes across a big arrogant at times. Clive Tyldesley has to be one of the most annoying commentators around.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: kris_boing on June 09, 2016, 01:09:03 PM
Roys XI


                          Hart


Walker     Cahill        Smalling    Rose


              Dier          Henderson


Sterling            Alli             Rooney


                       Kane




Mine


                       Hart


Clyne       Cahill         Stones      Rose


                        Dier


       Henderson            Wilshere


                         Alli


           Rooney            Kane
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Atomic on June 09, 2016, 01:19:14 PM
Roys XI


                          Hart


Walker     Cahill        Smalling    Rose


              Dier          Henderson


Sterling            Alli             Rooney


                       Kane




Mine


                       Hart


Clyne       Cahill         Stones      Rose


                        Dier


       Henderson            Wilshere


                         Alli


           Rooney            Kane



Swap Rooney for Vardy and you've got a very potent threat. Ali behind Vardy and Kane. Rooney should be on the bench and used as a replacement for Ali if we need a change or Ali is injured or something. There should be no place for him in the starting line up.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Lloydy on June 09, 2016, 04:11:18 PM
TV Coverage for the euros BBC or ITV?. i dont like lineker so its ITV for me. ITV have improved, maybe because Adrians gone

BBC. No Pulis to spoil my mood.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 09, 2016, 04:17:01 PM
BBC. No Pulis to spoil my mood.
pulis is just Wales I think.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 09, 2016, 07:53:50 PM
Tickled me:

The England team visited an orphanage in France yesterday.

"It's heartbreaking to see their little faces with no hope" said Philippe, aged 6.


 ;D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: gerry m on June 09, 2016, 07:59:45 PM
Tickled me:

The England team visited an orphanage in France yesterday.

"It's heartbreaking to see their little faces with no hope" said Philippe, aged 6.


An oldie but goodie Jacko! :D
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 09, 2016, 08:25:12 PM
Strangely, my cruise ship gets into Marseilles Sunday morning, the day after England play, hope we win, otherwise the atmosphere will be very subdued.
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: tuamigos on June 10, 2016, 06:28:25 AM
Fighting between England fans and locals over night apparently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3633958/England-fans-truly-arrived-France-Bare-chested-supporters-hit-beers-Marseille-ahead-opening-game-Russia.html

Shouldn't laugh I know but 'ISIS where are you'  ::)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: BB74 on June 10, 2016, 08:03:06 AM
Chairs flying everywhere! Same old, same old. It only ever seems to happen on mainland Europe. Fans were good as gold in South Korea, Brazil and South Africa. Perhaps the flight prices put the louts off.

https://youtu.be/Bfj0J7mBgZI (https://youtu.be/Bfj0J7mBgZI)
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 10, 2016, 08:18:03 AM
rumoured Lallana and Stirling will start
Title: Re: Anything England Football
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 10, 2016, 08:41:06 AM
Chairs flying everywhere! Same old, same old. It only ever seems to happen on mainland Europe. Fans were good as gold in South Korea, Brazil