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Title: Shane Long Completes Move to Hull City
Post by: Welease_Woger on July 05, 2011, 10:29:25 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 05, 2011, 10:31:31 AM
Dont like him. Don't like his attitude. I agree with you. 10mil on defense IMO
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Welease_Woger on July 05, 2011, 10:32:56 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 05, 2011, 10:43:39 AM
He's a cheat. Wouldn't want him anywhere near my football club.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: derbybaggie on July 05, 2011, 10:52:17 AM
Long is a player i am not too sure about my dad does not rate him at all me i think he is a good player with massive potential 10 million is just reading trying to scare off the suitors 3.5 million rising to 4 with performance based add ons would clinch him and the players desire to move on as well could be a deciding factor.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 05, 2011, 11:19:01 AM
Long is a decent striker. Not worth 10m. But also we're not going to get him for 4m. That is what West Ham thought they could have Dorrans for. I reckon we'd need to pay 5.5m+ to get him. Not convinced he's worth that much - Cox is probably as good. But we definitely need another striker. Peter can't do it on his own again and will be missing in Janurary...which is our 'best' run of games.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mulumbu99 on July 05, 2011, 11:30:36 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on July 05, 2011, 11:46:46 AM
I don't understand it...why on earth is he valued at that price? Half it and it's still a **** take.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 05, 2011, 11:48:47 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on July 05, 2011, 11:52:44 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 05, 2011, 11:58:09 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 05, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
he wouldnt suit our style of play!
might aswell persisit with cox.....
better player out there to be signed for less money
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 05, 2011, 12:04:41 PM
Cant stand anything about Reading and as for this bloke 10 Milllion, well words cant describe
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie steve on July 05, 2011, 12:15:48 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 05, 2011, 12:30:13 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ogwani on July 05, 2011, 12:32:56 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 05, 2011, 12:56:55 PM
10 million for a striker that has had a couple of decent seasons in the Championship, pretty mad that is.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on July 05, 2011, 01:10:05 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 05, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
Has no one learned anything by being an albion fan?

They are doing exactly what we do when faced with interest for their star player! Course he's not worth 10m, reading know what! Its a tactic we use all the time! Reading have no need to sell, neither do we so we wack vastly unreasonable valuations on players. Maybe we don't do it publically like reading have done her but every albion player has his price. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on July 05, 2011, 01:42:08 PM
Cox is better than Shane Long anyway!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mulumbu99 on July 05, 2011, 01:45:48 PM
Cox is better than Shane Long anyway!

cox hasn't even proved his self in the championship
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mossi28 on July 05, 2011, 01:47:36 PM
cox hasn't even proved his self in the championship

And Shane Long has?! He has has one season where he has scored goals the other have been average to bad, I agree with Baggie79 Cox is the better player.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 05, 2011, 01:55:11 PM
cox hasn't even proved his self in the championship

One high scoring season doesn't equal proven.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 05, 2011, 01:58:07 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 05, 2011, 02:03:15 PM
For 3million or less yes, for anymore no.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Welease_Woger on July 05, 2011, 03:38:37 PM
Seems overrated to me. Here's a YT vid of him falling over a lot, scoring tap-ins & close range headers against some woeful defending... we should stick with Cox...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W9Y87as2Zw
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 05, 2011, 05:32:26 PM
Don't see the point in going for him when we have a perfectly good player in cox who is the same type of player and he can't seem to get a game in his natural position. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: blandyisabaggie on July 05, 2011, 05:45:42 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on July 05, 2011, 05:45:59 PM
not worth 10 million
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on July 05, 2011, 05:46:37 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on July 05, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
For ten million no thanks.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on July 05, 2011, 10:00:55 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 06, 2011, 12:24:12 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on July 06, 2011, 09:56:31 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 06, 2011, 10:01:08 AM
Ten mill is  excessive but I'd say he's worth nearer 5 than 3. Good player in my opinion and plenty of time for improvement.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 06, 2011, 08:22:56 PM
Not for me ...
He's ok but just ok , I think there are much better options from around the 3.5 m mark...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: telford baggie on July 06, 2011, 08:57:51 PM
10m for long  :o
12m for doyle  :o
22m what a strike force lol
silly seaon silly prices
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on July 06, 2011, 09:11:44 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 11, 2011, 10:57:49 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 11, 2011, 11:10:34 PM
For 8million, it seems a bit of a long shot
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 11, 2011, 11:24:09 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 11, 2011, 11:25:42 PM
Just have a funny feeling that Miller would be used as a make weight if we did go for Long, for some reason I can see him in a Reading shirt next season .
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 11, 2011, 11:27:16 PM
Don't think we'd match reading's evaluation. Not sure he offers anything that cox can't. Although west brom's long, cox strike force could deliver real penetration  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 11, 2011, 11:44:09 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 12, 2011, 12:03:31 AM
stupid money!
for a bloke who is probably no better then coxy!
seems to daft to be true
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MattIsABaggie on July 12, 2011, 12:22:39 AM
Wouldn't be impressed with this signing, can do so much better.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on July 12, 2011, 03:23:45 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Barrington on July 12, 2011, 07:21:09 AM
Good player but wouldn't be paying any more than 4-5 mil at the most.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2011, 08:04:28 AM
no way will Peace spend Millions in a Championship player.Rubbish storey

The moose just mentioned it on Talk Sport
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on July 12, 2011, 08:18:13 AM
With Odemwingie now back in the Nigerian international fold and likely to be missing during the African Cup of Nations next year the need for us to buy a quality striker now is even more pressing. We've got to find someone with a better pedigree than Shane Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 08:20:13 AM
With Odemwingie now back in the Nigerian international fold and likely to be missing during the African Cup of Nations next year the need for us to buy a quality striker now is even more pressing. We've got to find someone with a better pedigree than Shane Long.

Shouldn't be too difficult really..
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: browners on July 12, 2011, 08:47:52 AM
What would you rather have Long or Fortune. We are West Bromwich Albion not Real Madrid. Some of you need to lower your expectations.

Long would be much better backup to Odemwingie than Fortune. Good movement, excellent in the air, plays in a 4-5-1 currently. Totally different player to Cox, so you really can't compare the two. Long is a focal point for the attack whereas Cox is a poacher.

David Moyes is an excellent judge of a player and he has wanted Long for ages.

Personally I would be more than happy with him at the right price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 08:50:13 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Axel Foley on July 12, 2011, 08:52:12 AM
What would you rather have Long or Fortune. We are West Bromwich Albion not Real Madrid. Some of you need to lower your expectations.

Long would be much better backup to Odemwingie than Fortune. Good movement, excellent in the air, plays in a 4-5-1 currently. Totally different player to Cox, so you really can't compare the two. Long is a focal point for the attack whereas Cox is a poacher.

David Moyes is an excellent judge of a player and he has wanted Long for ages.

Personally I would be more than happy with him at the right price.

Ask yourself why Moyes hasn't bought him already then.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 12, 2011, 08:57:20 AM
What would you rather have Long or Fortune. We are West Bromwich Albion not Real Madrid. Some of you need to lower your expectations.

Long would be much better backup to Odemwingie than Fortune. Good movement, excellent in the air, plays in a 4-5-1 currently. Totally different player to Cox, so you really can't compare the two. Long is a focal point for the attack whereas Cox is a poacher.

David Moyes is an excellent judge of a player and he has wanted Long for ages.

Personally I would be more than happy with him at the right price.

Spot on, couldn't agree more.

We will not pay over the odds for a player, but if we can get a good price negotiated with Reading I'd be more than happy with Long.

Sadly though Shane Long isn't a big enough name for some people. I really do wonder who Albion fans expect us to sign as back-up to Odemwingie? The key word is back-up; Long can do a good job when Pete is out.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2011, 09:01:21 AM
What would you rather have Long or Fortune. We are West Bromwich Albion not Real Madrid. Some of you need to lower your expectations.

Long would be much better backup to Odemwingie than Fortune. Good movement, excellent in the air, plays in a 4-5-1 currently. Totally different player to Cox, so you really can't compare the two. Long is a focal point for the attack whereas Cox is a poacher.

David Moyes is an excellent judge of a player and he has wanted Long for ages.

Personally I would be more than happy with him at the right price.

Its not the expectations its the fee being banded around for un proven

Any roads i would rather have Fortune
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aztech on July 12, 2011, 09:04:03 AM
Spot on, couldn't agree more.

We will not pay over the odds for a player, but if we can get a good price negotiated with Reading I'd be more than happy with Long.

Sadly though Shane Long isn't a big enough name for some people. I really do wonder who Albion fans expect us to sign as back-up to Odemwingie? The key word is back-up; Long can do a good job when Pete is out.

I cant speak for other people, but it is not about big names for me, however it is about quality.

In my opinion Shane Long is not a dramatic improvement on what we already have.

I would rather we take a chance on a young forward from a lower league, than sign Shane Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 09:05:31 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 12, 2011, 09:10:03 AM
Aztech, isn't Shane Long just that, a young lad from a lower league? Personally I think he is a dramatic improvement on what we already have - would Fortune or Miller score the amount of goals Long has playing up front on their own for Reading?

The price being rumoured at this stage is just that, rumour. If we do sign him let's first of all only judge the price we pay when we've actually paid it, and second of all judge the lad on his ability rather than his price tag. Luke Moore was always fighting a losing battle because of his price tag, let's not create another Moore situation with Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1968-Tim on July 12, 2011, 09:19:27 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2011, 09:22:40 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 09:23:17 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BAGGIE5 on July 12, 2011, 09:23:56 AM
i just cant see someone unproven at premiership level costing that much. Besides i wouldnt bother. Can you really see him scoring goals? I cant. but if hes a third striker behind another target then he may be worth a punt.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 12, 2011, 09:25:39 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 09:27:41 AM
i just cant see someone unproven at premiership level costing that much. Besides i wouldnt bother. Can you really see him scoring goals? I cant. but if hes a third striker behind another target then he may be worth a punt.

Why not? He scored bags of them last season. Theres nothing suggesting he can't do it in the Pem based on his ability. Yes he's never played in the Prem but he's a born scorer. The price is the issue with this rumour for me.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dangerman on July 12, 2011, 09:29:46 AM
I can't see a club of our size paying 8m for a second/third choice striker.

I can't see us paying 8m full stop. I suspect that if we were to pay anything it would be under our current transfer record and plus maybe a player or two. Bednar & Miller?

If 8m is what we pay then there must be better proven options out there?

If we do this deal I can't see it being anywhere near the figure quoted.

Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: graka on July 12, 2011, 09:30:52 AM
danny graham scored more goals than long. i,d welcome him for around the same price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 12, 2011, 09:35:18 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on July 12, 2011, 09:35:40 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2011, 09:36:25 AM
danny graham scored more goals than long. i,d welcome him for around the same price.


Nail on the head. Spot on
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 09:39:11 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2011, 09:43:41 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smosher34 on July 12, 2011, 10:42:25 AM
Ask yourself why Moyes hasn't bought him already then.

moyles hasnt got any money to spend without selling thats why  :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Watton...! on July 12, 2011, 10:47:17 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tuamigos on July 12, 2011, 10:49:47 AM
Get him at the right price and I would say he'll score more than Fortune or Miller.
Good addition at the right price!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on July 12, 2011, 10:50:02 AM
He's overrated in my opinion. I hope Reading price us out of it and we go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on July 12, 2011, 10:56:12 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1968-Tim on July 12, 2011, 11:56:45 AM
We are favourites to sign him now.

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Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on July 12, 2011, 11:57:39 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 11:58:07 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 12, 2011, 11:59:12 AM

would be worth the gamble   A blooming expensive one at that price but can see what you mean

To be fair all fees are just speculation from one media source to another. Nothing has been confirmed yet
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 12, 2011, 11:59:53 AM
We've been faves to sign him for a while now it means nowt really. We are favourites to sign both foster and green and we certainly won't be buying both.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 12, 2011, 12:19:19 PM
Has a few similar qualities to Peter Odemwingie in my opinion, appears to be a decent finisher, works tirelessly hard and runs the channels very well. I'd be willing to bet he'd pose more of a threat to teams more than any of our strikers bar Odemwingie. Whatever we pay for him will be a risk as he's never played in the Premier League before, however, we paid a few million for Robert Earnshaw a few years ago and he managed to score 11 important goals which more or less took us to Premier League survival. I wouldn't be inclined to waste the majority of our budget on this guy unless we have our goalkeeper problem sorted.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: howi1068 on July 12, 2011, 12:22:51 PM
not worth the gamble as a back up to pete at 5 million. I would rather get dj cambell. Dont rate him at all.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mulumbu99 on July 12, 2011, 12:37:00 PM
picture this boys......

reading state they want 10m....

reading get off to a shocking start of the season and get knocked out of the carling cup....

long hands in transfer request....

albion bid 5m...bid accepted.

that is how it will go imo
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 12, 2011, 12:41:59 PM
I'd like to know how much of Long some of you have actually seen to know he's not as good as the footballing prodigy that is DJ bloody Campbell?!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2011, 12:47:09 PM
picture this boys......

reading state they want 10m....

reading get off to a shocking start of the season and get knocked out of the carling cup....

long hands in transfer request....

albion bid 5m...bid accepted.

that is how it will go imo

There is no way that will be accurate, they will get through in the cup and end up knocking us out at a later stage.

I do agree with the general point though, they may demand such a large amount now but as the window is coming to a close their stance may soften and although the player making a transfer request would possibly get things moving I'm not so sure he will go down that route.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on July 12, 2011, 12:51:01 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 12, 2011, 01:47:29 PM
im all fo taking transfer "risks" or "long shots" but not for 8m thats mad!
you could take a risk on a lower league players for far less money as you ca with people playing in leagues in eastern europe or south america
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 12, 2011, 02:04:56 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on July 12, 2011, 02:47:35 PM
About time we went in for someone proven at this level instead of taking risks. For every pete there will be a dozen fortunes. We got very lucky with pete. He surpassed everyones expectations as his goalscoring record wasn't too great before joining us. Despite being in this division for quite a big part of the last 10 years we still can't or won't compete with other lower/mid table clubs when it comes to transfers.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Astle1968 on July 12, 2011, 03:41:18 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: stubba on July 12, 2011, 03:46:25 PM
What would you rather have Long or Fortune. We are West Bromwich Albion not Real Madrid. Some of you need to lower your expectations.

Long would be much better backup to Odemwingie than Fortune. Good movement, excellent in the air, plays in a 4-5-1 currently. Totally different player to Cox, so you really can't compare the two. Long is a focal point for the attack whereas Cox is a poacher.

David Moyes is an excellent judge of a player and he has wanted Long for ages.

Personally I would be more than happy with him at the right price.

someone who actually talks sense and knows his stuff  :o
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on July 12, 2011, 06:05:52 PM
long would do well with pete up front but 8-10 million is too much for chump player, give them bedtnar and fortune with 1-5 million cash good deal for both clubs.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 12, 2011, 06:13:47 PM
long would do well with pete up front but 8-10 million is too much for chump player, give them bedtnar and fortune with 1-5 million cash good deal for both clubs.

It doesn't work like that. Who's to say Bednar or Fortune want to go to Reading?

Bednar is already half way to Turkey I think. Fortune has never played in the Chump.

Besides would you really want to go into the season with only 3 strikers (PO, Cox and Long) two of whom are unproven (or virtually so) at Prem level.

Unless you expect to keep Miller (also unproven) or have high expectations of Tchoyi (also unproven as a striker)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 12, 2011, 06:46:47 PM
Ask yourself why Moyes hasn't bought him already then.

I think it's more down to Everton having very limited funds themselves.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 12, 2011, 06:52:35 PM
Offering players doesn't make the deal any cheaper if these are players we could cash in on separately.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2011, 07:29:42 PM
I've only just noticed he's actually into the last year of his contract, I can't imagine we would want to break our transfer record for an unproven player at this level with less than a year left on his current deal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 12, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
I've only just noticed he's actually into the last year of his contract, I can't imagine we would want to break our transfer record for an unproven player at this level with less than a year left on his current deal.
If in final year, it's matter of time before he goes. He will go for about 4m imho.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
The only thing I have found about his contract situation is that he signed a new deal in November last year that keeps him there until the summer of 2012, not seen anything to suggest he has signed another deal since.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 12, 2011, 08:23:33 PM
If in final year, it's matter of time before he goes. He will go for about 4m imho.
Final year used to mean cheap , but now ask Roger "7 Million" Johnson...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: matth on July 12, 2011, 08:45:45 PM
Very similar to Doyle I think he'd be a good signing to be fair!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 12, 2011, 08:48:11 PM
id much prefer Doyle...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: gerry m on July 12, 2011, 08:50:44 PM
no way will JP pay the reported 7m for a championship player :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 12, 2011, 08:51:16 PM
id much prefer Doyle...

Kevin Doyle?

I think we all would in honesty but Wolves won't be interested in selling one of their better players.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dennerr on July 12, 2011, 09:23:52 PM
Well most Reading fans on their main forum all beleive Long will go on to better things than Doyle.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 12, 2011, 09:44:24 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: matth on July 12, 2011, 09:48:50 PM
Have we put in a bid or is it just paper talk?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 12, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
I don't believe we have made a bid for him yet but he is a target, we do like to monitor players quite a bit before we bother making a move  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 12, 2011, 10:00:08 PM
Well most Reading fans on their main forum all beleive Long will go on to better things than Doyle.

Clearly the experts on here, who have probably never even watched him, know better. ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 12, 2011, 10:19:50 PM
We can call him Shlong, go well with Cox.

Well I suppose it's worth paying the big fee for the Long Cox front line but I think anything over 5 million is too much for a player who only really last year came to form.

Ive said already I want us to look abroad this window for at least 1 player as we have done so well there in past years but if the club think Long can be a good second choice then we have to trust them. His movement always seems good but im always wary of 1 good year in the championship. Hopefully the scouts have seen something different in him if we are going to pursue him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on July 13, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
its on a few media outlets that roy wants to spend a good few pound and long is one of his targets
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ben1983 on July 13, 2011, 11:47:02 AM
I rate the guy, but 8million when in January he will be worth 2million! No thanks!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 13, 2011, 12:29:37 PM
its on a few media outlets that roy wants to spend a good few pound and long is one of his targets

1.   Read them very carefully

2.   Take them all with a huge pinch of salt

3.   Completely mistrust at least half of them

TBH the only info I really think worth trusting is the OS, CL and one or two ITK posters on here
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 13, 2011, 12:34:36 PM
its on a few media outlets that roy wants to spend a good few pound and long is one of his targets

You need to read the story though and not just the headline. His quotes aren't exactly inspiring just that he hopes we can spend more on our remaining targets than we have for those we have already brought in and that shouldn't be difficult considering they were bosmans with only a signing on fee to pay.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 13, 2011, 07:04:56 PM
Well Chris Lepkowski said in baggies view that Roy wants Long , i think we may go 4-4-2 at home next season if we get Long , cant see us paying 4-5 million on a striker who will be on the bench.



Gera /Thomas             Mulumbu                 Scharner         Brunt/Thomas

                                Long                           Odemwingie/Cox

I think thats why we are keen on Collison also
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 13, 2011, 07:33:38 PM
What about Dorrans?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 13, 2011, 07:42:43 PM
Wouldn't Pete and Long be a bit too similar to play together?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 13, 2011, 07:48:09 PM
What about Dorrans?

He'd play alongside Mulumbu instead of Scharner. Playing Mulumbu and Scharner in a 4-4-2 as our 2 centre mids would be way too defensive.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiejim on July 13, 2011, 08:00:06 PM
Wouldn't Pete and Long be a bit too similar to play together?

I haven't seen enough of Long to form an opinion about his style of play, but if there are indeed similarities between him and Odemwingie, I would view this as a positive as it means that we would have back-up for Pete at the very least if he gets injured or gets called up for the African Cup of Nations. Strength in depth, particularly in the striking department is something that we've sorely missed in past years.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on July 13, 2011, 08:13:59 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 01aarbau on July 14, 2011, 12:42:05 AM
8 million is double what shane long is worth, worth a cheeky bid for Jermaine Defoe for that sort of money !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on July 14, 2011, 02:31:05 AM
8 million is double what shane long is worth, worth a cheeky bid for Jermaine Defoe for that sort of money !

Yeah, you've definitely got a point there. Why would we want to spend 8 mil on Shane Long when it could easily go towards a proven Premiership player or of a higher calibre?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on July 14, 2011, 09:36:41 AM
Reading are basically taking the pish at the moment. They won't have such a cock-sure stance towards the end of the transfer window if/when Long starts agitating for a move to a Premier League club.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B714LF on July 14, 2011, 09:38:26 AM
Yeah, you've definitely got a point there. Why would we want to spend 8 mil on Shane Long when it could easily go towards a proven Premiership player or of a higher calibre?

You may be able to get the players for similar money but the difference in the salaries between these 2 players would be massive.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 14, 2011, 09:42:30 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on July 14, 2011, 10:36:11 AM
But surely if you're going to pay 8 mil for Long it'd be worth the extra (Around 1.8 mil I guess?) for Defoe's wages over a season
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 14, 2011, 10:42:28 AM
spurs are on about a clear out you could have defoe that dingle reject or pav!
i agree 100% with previous comments 8m is alot to pay out on a gamble when you can get a proven player!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 14, 2011, 05:30:57 PM
http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/roundup/articles/2011/07/14/53002-reading-refuse-to-sell-long-to-rivals/?

He is in the last year of his contract, how can they consider 6million+ a fair price?

I would be annoyed if I was him, if he was promised he could leave.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 14, 2011, 06:07:21 PM
http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/roundup/articles/2011/07/14/53002-reading-refuse-to-sell-long-to-rivals/?

He is in the last year of his contract, how can they consider 6million+ a fair price?

I would be annoyed if I was him, if he was promised he could leave.

Well he knows what to do! If our interest is firm then slap in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mike on July 14, 2011, 06:12:04 PM
http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/roundup/articles/2011/07/14/53002-reading-refuse-to-sell-long-to-rivals/?

He is in the last year of his contract, how can they consider 6million+ a fair price?

I would be annoyed if I was him, if he was promised he could leave.

A similar promise was made to Curtis Davies, but that didn't stop people hating him. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 14, 2011, 06:16:02 PM
A similar promise was made to Curtis Davies, but that didn't stop people hating him. 

I never blamed him for leaving - but fans are always blinded by loyalty to their club.

I hope it could help us get a cut-price deal, but I think that is just wishful thinking.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 14, 2011, 06:19:47 PM
I dont know why people get worked up just because Reading arent bending over as soon as a club higher up the pyramid says they want one of their players. Should we bend over and sell Mulumbu for 4 million if Villa or Spurs come in even though we reckon he is worth around 7+?

Of course 8 million is a ridiculous figure but firstly, it's just for bargaining purposes, and secondly, they dont have to sell - if they want they can let him see out the last year of his contract and with him only turning 23 about 4 months ago they are hardly damaging his career. We have done it all in the past - id be frustrated if I saw other clubs fans getting worked up just because we dont surrender our players to them.

As the window draws to a close, if Reading do want the money they will lower theri asking price. For a player with only 1 really good season in the championship under his belt and for me, without the obvious premier league striker attributes and only 1 year left on his contract, I wouldnt go crazy with the fee, saying even 5 million was too much, but id imagine the club might try 4 million if they really want him,
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on July 14, 2011, 06:21:45 PM
I think its great to see a club not being bullied by one in a division above them, as Baggies said you wouldnt expect us just to sell Mulumbu for what a bigger club wanted to pay for him, out of contract next season or not
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 14, 2011, 06:50:02 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 14, 2011, 06:57:07 PM
I never blamed him for leaving - but fans are always blinded by loyalty to their club.

I hope it could help us get a cut-price deal, but I think that is just wishful thinking.

Difference is Davies and Robinson started playing silly buggers and not acting like professional footballers, they started acting like spolit brats hence the hatred that developed.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 14, 2011, 07:18:19 PM
Difference is Davies and Robinson started playing silly buggers and not acting like professional footballers, they started acting like spolit brats hence the hatred that developed.

I personally never understood what he did to deserve such hatred from our fan's.

The bottom line surely is he played very well for us, on the whole, and made us a very big profit - I can't really hate a player that does that. He has been very respectful of the club despite the fan's making it clear they hated him as well.

Robbo was a great servant for us, and left to play regular premiership football which he has done. Profit, respectful about the club - I suppose hater's are going to hate.  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on July 14, 2011, 07:27:04 PM
I personally never understood what he did to deserve such hatred from our fan's.

The bottom line surely is he played very well for us, on the whole, and made us a very big profit - I can't really hate a player that does that. He has been very respectful of the club despite the fan's making it clear they hated him as well.

Robbo was a great servant for us, and left to play regular premiership football which he has done. Profit, respectful about the club - I suppose hater's are going to hate.  ;D

Didnt he refuse to play the first game of the season against Burnley? And we had to play possibly the worst fullback ive ever seen Tininho. To me thats the most disrespect you can show to a team and that is why I cant understand why he is held in such high regard when he basically stuck his fingers up at us
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 14, 2011, 09:27:35 PM
You only have to read the local papers to know we are interested in them both, I'm sure I've even seen that headline word for word somewhere. It isn't as if its offering anything we didn't already know.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: silver surfer on July 14, 2011, 10:15:29 PM
Wouldn't Pete and Long be a bit too similar to play together?
See what your saying but if we sign a "foil" of sorts then who score the goals when POD is injured?
Surely another similar type of player equals continuity in strategy, got enough hod carriers, Fortune, Bednar, Miller
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 14, 2011, 10:53:58 PM
I think reason behind looking at long is to be a excellent back up to PO and someone that can fill the gap left by him when he goes to Africa nations later in the year. Would do a better Job than fortune or cox or miller up front.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albionsteve on July 15, 2011, 08:04:11 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 15, 2011, 08:43:25 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2011, 10:12:37 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 15, 2011, 10:35:16 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on July 16, 2011, 10:46:37 AM
According to someone on Twitter, Sky Bet have suspended betting on Shane Long joining us.

I know that bookmakers are not the most reliable of sources, but I seem to remember that is was Sky Bet who first broke the news on a Thursday evening that Roy Hodgson would be our new manager. Less than 24 hours later, the club confirmed his appointment.

In the case of Long, though, I can't see it being true due to the transfer fee Reading would want for him and the fact that we appear to be getting closer to completing another deal or two at the moment.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 16, 2011, 11:33:33 AM
I can confirm Sky Bet have suspended betting on Shane Long signing for us
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on July 16, 2011, 11:44:52 AM
I can't see us paying 8 mill though !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 16, 2011, 11:52:23 AM
I think it will be nearer 5mil involving a player exchange possibly Miller from what ive been told from a Reading itk
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on July 16, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 16, 2011, 11:55:15 AM
Im excited about this signing i think we might get ourselves a little gem!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on July 16, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 16, 2011, 12:14:05 PM
Worth no more than Graham.8 million, 5 million someones having a laugh
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tuamigos on July 16, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
I can confirm Sky Bet have suspended betting on Shane Long signing for us

didn't they also have odds on to sign Foster?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 16, 2011, 12:19:50 PM
didn't they also have odds on to sign Foster?
They still have we are 1/3 on
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: monkey nuts on July 16, 2011, 12:25:30 PM
didn't they also have odds on to sign Foster?

having us odds on to sign someone and suspending the betting is 2 very diff things it's not often they do that unless they know he is going somewhere

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 16, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
Plus the fact they havent suspended the betting on him going anywhere else it is only suspended on him coming to US!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieheart on July 16, 2011, 12:44:39 PM
I don't really know much about him to be honest.

he has played against us a few times and I don't particularly remember him standing out.

He is a good age and yes we need a striker but unless we have a formation change I can't see him starting a game in the strongest 11.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 16, 2011, 01:13:16 PM
Wasn't he the one that broke jaras metatarsal away at reading in league cup. Nasty challenge that was!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 16, 2011, 01:30:00 PM
Sky's transfer betting is all done on betting patterns, its not really a big indicator of whether someone will join a club or whatever. How many times do you see suspended betting or odds on bets that lead to nothing?

Every year there is a rumour some manager has left a club due to suspended betting, then nothing comes of it. Likewise with the transfers.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 16, 2011, 02:37:38 PM
We're not absolute idiots. Peace would never sanction a  bid like that for anyone other than a dead cert to benefit the team. If we can't burst the bank to get someone like Foster or Given, why the heck would we spend it on this guy?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 16, 2011, 03:10:58 PM
We're not absolute idiots. Peace would never sanction a  bid like that for anyone other than a dead cert to benefit the team. If we can't burst the bank to get someone like Foster or Given, why the heck would we spend it on this guy?
Valero?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 16, 2011, 03:16:05 PM
4.7m wasn't really very much money though considering he was a young, promising player who'd just came from a club who had a very impressive league season. We were always likely to get a return.

Whereas Long has had one good season in his career, at an older age than Valero I believe, in the championship - 8m is well above the going rate for someone like that. 5m would be about accurate judging by other transfers of strikers to the premier league. Particularly given there are a lot of strikers who fail miserably in the jump from championship to premier league.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 16, 2011, 03:30:41 PM
4.7m wasn't really very much money though considering he was a young, promising player who'd just came from a club who had a very impressive league season. We were always likely to get a return.

Whereas Long has had one good season in his career, at an older age than Valero I believe, in the championship - 8m is well above the going rate for someone like that. 5m would be about accurate judging by other transfers of strikers to the premier league. Particularly given there are a lot of strikers who fail miserably in the jump from championship to premier league.
I dont know where the 8mil has come from other than the Sun paper......If we had a player in the champ that scored as many as he did last year we would not let him go for anything less than 6mil which i think is a fair price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 16, 2011, 03:35:41 PM
Surely the most comparable scenario is the Doyle transfer. Both were at Reading, both irish internationals, both strikers, same age at the time of transfers. The fundamental difference however, is the fact Doyle had scored goals in the premiership (13 with a 2month lay off for injury.) Furthermore, Doyle had 2 years remaining on his contract when he was sold, Long has one year left. If he went for 6.5 million, Long surely should cost less - there isn't much common sense with transfers nowadays though.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 16, 2011, 03:44:03 PM
4.7m wasn't really very much money though considering he was a young, promising player who'd just came from a club who had a very impressive league season. We were always likely to get a return.

Whereas Long has had one good season in his career, at an older age than Valero I believe, in the championship - 8m is well above the going rate for someone like that. 5m would be about accurate judging by other transfers of strikers to the premier league. Particularly given there are a lot of strikers who fail miserably in the jump from championship to premier league.

4.7 million was our transfer record and still is so I'd say it was breaking the bank. I think Long would be a good addition and would provide some good competition up front for what we've got. The way you've got to look at it is we are looking to improve our squad and Long is certainly an improvement on Bednar, Miller and Fortune, sure he comes with a price but transfer values are crazy these days its pretty much what we should expect.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 17, 2011, 11:35:08 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie steve on July 17, 2011, 11:48:59 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2011, 12:42:44 PM
I dont think it's unlikely stan. With a year left on his contract, as the transfer window draws to a close Reading will start to think 3 or 4 million is a lot to miss out on (which mid level club wouldnt?).

They may try to hold on until January but it does all depend on how Brave Madjeski is. He must know there will be no clubs prepared to pay 8 million for a player unproven in the premier league and with only 1 good season under his belt at the age of 24 - especially after the near identical Danny Graham went for the regulation price for a championship top scorer of 3 to 3.5 million.

I personally think a bigger question might be how long we decide to wait. As the window drags on our eyes will turn elsewhere and better options might become available. Shane Long is after all not a huge loss - at the moment he is only the next person along the line of the likes of Ellington, Earnshaw, Miller, King, Ebanks Blake etc.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 17, 2011, 12:49:03 PM
He's in the last year of his contract, if the rumors are true we will probably put a bid of around 5 mill in as he's not worth much more than that and then hopefully he will see our interest is firm and will hand in a transfer request then Reading will have no option than to sell really else they lose him for nothing next summer.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 17, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 17, 2011, 07:15:24 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2011, 08:04:15 PM
I just dont think we can pay over the odds for him. I could probably see 4 million at a  push but even then we are over paying. Looking through history, players who score goals at a championship level rarely replicate that at premier league level. Instead, our scouts have to identify which qualities are needed to make the step up and not be blinded by goals.

Ellington, Earnshaw, Ebanks Blake, Graham, Cureton have all got big totals in the last few years and they have all (with the exception of Graham who we will see about) failed with the step up. More key is that they have all cost around 3 to 3.5 million. For Shane Long, with only 1 season as a 20+ goalscorer, in the final year of his contract, I think anything over 4 million isn't worth looking at. If Reading say they would rather let his contract run down than let him for for less than 8 or whatever they are really asking for then they deserve credit but id be surprised if their heads aren't turned nearer the end of the window.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 17, 2011, 08:08:12 PM
Unless our scouts haven't been blinded by goals and instead seen a lot of other attributes in his game. I dont think our scouts would suggest someone just because he score a reasonable number of goals in a championship season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2011, 08:09:30 PM
I just dont think we can pay over the odds for him. I could probably see 4 million at a  push but even then we are over paying. Looking through history, players who score goals at a championship level rarely replicate that at premier league level. Instead, our scouts have to identify which qualities are needed to make the step up and not be blinded by goals.

Ellington, Earnshaw, Ebanks Blake, Graham, Cureton have all got big totals in the last few years and they have all (with the exception of Graham who we will see about) failed with the step up. More key is that they have all cost around 3 to 3.5 million. For Shane Long, with only 1 season as a 20+ goalscorer, in the final year of his contract, I think anything over 4 million isn't worth looking at. If Reading say they would rather let his contract run down than let him for for less than 8 or whatever they are really asking for then they deserve credit but id be surprised if their heads aren't turned nearer the end of the window.
Have to disagree over Earnshaw mate,he scored goals for us in top flight.His general play wasnt good enough but he scored goals all the same.As for Long i wouldnt want to pay over 4m for him just yet.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 17, 2011, 08:11:18 PM
2009 Kevin Doyle 6.5 million - 2 years on his contract, 13 prem goals (with 2 month injury)

2011 Shane Long ? million  - 1  year on his contract, 0 prem goals.

Long should be half or less. So 3million is a fair price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2011, 08:20:17 PM
He has failed though Dexy. His goalscoring can not be disputed (although most came from the bench against tired defences) but his overall play was awful and since then he has had another crack at the top flight and failed. If he was good enough he would be there now but he is a championship striker.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2011, 08:37:40 PM
He has failed though Dexy. His goalscoring can not be disputed (although most came from the bench against tired defences) but his overall play was awful and since then he has had another crack at the top flight and failed. If he was good enough he would be there now but he is a championship striker.
I think the injuries he suffered after leaving us took a lot out of his game,hamstrings and a major knee injury cant be taken lightly.I think your being harsh with the awful part,dont forget Robsons team werent exactly free flowing.Sub or not he scored goals(his best part of his game imo) in the top flight which has only now been beaten by Odemwingie,you certainly cant compare him with Ellington.
Anyway,back to Long. :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2011, 09:01:24 AM
Reported that Spurs and Newcastle are after Long, that should quash any interest that we may have had.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mulumbu99 on July 19, 2011, 12:47:15 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 19, 2011, 12:52:08 PM
Mr McDermott you should change your name to Mr exaggeration
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mike on July 19, 2011, 12:57:31 PM
Mr McDermott you should change your name to Mr exaggeration

What did you expect him to say?.  "He's had a good couple of months, he's now desperate to leave, He would be a bit of a gamble for a premiership club but were desperate to get rid of him as he only has 12months left on his contract, We'd most likeley accept an offer in the region of 4million."
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 20, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mulumbu99 on July 20, 2011, 11:34:49 AM
leading the race to sign him now according to the brum mail
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 20, 2011, 11:37:27 AM
Link

http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/west-bromwich-albion-fc-news/2011/07/20/west-brom-lead-chase-for-reading-striker-shane-long-97319-29086075/
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 20, 2011, 11:51:37 AM
It doesn't imply anywhere on that article that we are 'leading the chase'.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 20, 2011, 12:01:25 PM
From that article I expect him to be unveiled within the hour. ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: A5HB on July 20, 2011, 12:02:27 PM
It doesn't imply anywhere on that article that we are 'leading the chase'.

I guess it only does if you put two and two together, it says that we are interested and that Hodgson is a big fan. It then says that Newcastle aren't keen to spend big money on him and also states that Hodgson has identified to major targets, assumed to be a goalkeeper and striker. Then I suppose we can only assume that the major striker target is Long, which I guess would put us in the lead as we have the strongest interest?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on July 20, 2011, 01:06:52 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on July 20, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
I'd be happy to take a chance on him but for nothing more than 4m in my opinion. Anything more it would be a disaster if he didnt come good. Saying this though he has already scored goals against Premierleague teams in the cup e.g Vile and  Liverpool
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on July 20, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
Leading chase according to birmingham mail

https://twitter.com/greggevans40/status/93628590385668096
we were 'leading the chase' for Vaughan
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 20, 2011, 02:49:27 PM
we were 'leading the chase' for Vaughan
We were 1/5 for Foster too!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 20, 2011, 03:13:04 PM
We actually WON the chase for Vaughan but the WE pulled out, not the player
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on July 20, 2011, 03:24:28 PM
We actually WON the chase for Vaughan but the WE pulled out, not the player

Was a reason officially given in the end?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on July 20, 2011, 03:31:47 PM
yeah Roy said he wanted 1st team football but we couldn't give him that .
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 20, 2011, 03:32:59 PM
KLOOMC

Keep Long Out Of My Club.

Horrible little cheat. Overrated too.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 20, 2011, 05:17:46 PM
KLOOMC

Keep Long Out Of My Club.

Horrible little cheat. Overrated too.

I don't care if he cheats as long as he wins us points.

This "I don't want cheating players" thing really annoys me if I'm honest, we need to get out of this mentality of "we're little old Albion who do everything by the book" if we're going to push on and be successful. There's a reason we always get f****d over by referees, we're too bloody nice and we have been since Megson left.

I hope we get a team full of nasty cheats and win the league, better than doing everything by the book and finishing 20th, don't you think?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 20, 2011, 05:38:10 PM
I don't care if he cheats as long as he wins us points.

This "I don't want cheating players" thing really annoys me if I'm honest, we need to get out of this mentality of "we're little old Albion who do everything by the book" if we're going to push on and be successful. There's a reason we always get f****d over by referees, we're too bloody nice and we have been since Megson left.

I hope we get a team full of nasty cheats and win the league, better than doing everything by the book and finishing 20th, don't you think?
Completely agree with you having a team of Nice Boys will never win you anything,All the best teams have someone that every other club loves to hate!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 20, 2011, 05:47:43 PM
I don't care if he cheats as long as he wins us points.

This "I don't want cheating players" thing really annoys me if I'm honest, we need to get out of this mentality of "we're little old Albion who do everything by the book" if we're going to push on and be successful. There's a reason we always get f****d over by referees, we're too bloody nice and we have been since Megson left.

I hope we get a team full of nasty cheats and win the league, better than doing everything by the book and finishing 20th, don't you think?

No, I don't think actually. I'd rather have a team of players who play football fairly. Laugh all you want, but I can promise you am I being deadly serious. That is how much I despise cheating.

Cheating is one of the cancers of the modern game. It's disgusting that players cheat their fellow professionals so regularly, while the authorities take zero action. I'm not naive enough to think that West Brom players don't cheat, but i'd passionately argue that we do not cheat to the extent that other teams do. It would be extremely hypocritical of me to take such a stand against cheating and then welcome a player who has cheated on so many occasions with open arms.

And no, referees don't f*** us over because 'we're too bloody nice', they f*** us over because there is an obvious bias towards the so called "bigger" clubs, plus the pressure that more establish managers put upon the refs to get calls their way - the Pulis' and Moyes' of this world.

Shane Long is an embarrassment to his profession. The amount of times he has dived to cheat fellow professionals is sickening and yes, I don't want him anywhere near my club. I have never once cheered when we have scored a penalty from an act of cheating, and never will.

Perhaps a more important point here is that Long is being grossly overrated.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 20, 2011, 05:50:04 PM
No, I don't think actually. I'd rather have a team of players who play football fairly. Laugh all you want, but I can promise you am I being deadly serious. That is how much I despise cheating.

Cheating is one of the cancers of the modern game. It's disgusting that players cheat their fellow professionals so regularly, while the authorities take zero action. I'm not naive enough to think that West Brom players don't cheat, but i'd passionately argue that we do not cheat to the extent that other teams do. It would be extremely hypocritical of me to take such a stand against cheating and then welcome a player who has cheated on so many occasions with open arms.

And no, referees don't f*** us over because 'we're too bloody nice', they f*** us over because there is an obvious bias towards the so called "bigger" clubs, plus the pressure that more establish managers put upon the refs to get calls their way - the Pulis' and Moyes' of this world.

Shane Long is an embarrassment to his profession. The amount of times he has dived to cheat fellow professionals is sickening and yes, I don't want him anywhere near my club. I have never once cheered when we have scored a penalty from an act of cheating, and never will.

Perhaps a more important point here is that Long is being grossly overrated.

As much as il get slated for saying this. I 100% agree with you. Cheating kills the game.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 20, 2011, 05:56:32 PM
I think we all recognise cheating is unfair but it happens, it's worked it's way into the mordern game and will only continue to grow. With that being said, we have to move forward with the modern football and not be left behind. I'd like to think our team doesn't cheat however I'm sure one or two go down easily but if teams are cheating us out like Stoke City for instance when Jones received a penalty for jumping in the air and falling on his backside then we're going to have to do the same.

It's not nice, but it's how the game of football has gone.

Just a side question, who was the player who got sent off against us in the FA Cup at there place when we drew 2-2? It was one of either Simon Church or Shane Long but can't remember which one..
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Umpshire Baggie on July 20, 2011, 06:01:48 PM
There is no place for cheats here at West Brom we dont want them period.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on July 20, 2011, 06:06:32 PM
so if an Albion player dived to win a penalty and we scored it and got promoted or stayed up , you cant honestly tell me you wouldn't be happy ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on July 20, 2011, 06:10:46 PM
Agree with Lloydy, dont care how we win as long as we do. It woud feel more sweet to be honest if Long dived last minute to get a penalty and 3 points at Molineux just because it would p*** the dingles off even more  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: browners on July 20, 2011, 06:13:58 PM
Dear me, I despair I really do.

Roy wants Long, and that is good enough for me. Personally I think he is an ideal fit for us. Holds the ball up well, good touch and technique, excellent in the air, plays as a lone striker. If he wins us a few penalties rightly or wrongly I don't give a damn. It's up to the ref to make the right decision and if he doesn't then that is his fault and if that works in our favour then great.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 20, 2011, 06:16:56 PM
Dear me, I despair I really do.

Roy wants Long, and that is good enough for me. Personally I think he is an ideal fit for us. Holds the ball up well, good touch and technique, excellent in the air, plays as a lone striker. If he wins us a few penalties rightly or wrongly I don't give a damn. It's up to the ref to make the right decision and if he doesn't then that is his fault and if that works in our favour then great.

Spot on, if he makes the wrong decision then I certainly won't be grumbling. If he makes the correct decision then fair enough.

Also agree with what you said about Shane Long, you've actually explained in detail to why he'd be a good asset with many just not being happy straight away. Also to add that, his constant hard work is also another tick in my opinion.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 20, 2011, 06:17:04 PM
Dear me, I despair I really do.

Roy wants Long, and that is good enough for me. Personally I think he is an ideal fit for us. Holds the ball up well, good touch and technique, excellent in the air, plays as a lone striker. If he wins us a few penalties rightly or wrongly I don't give a damn. It's up to the ref to make the right decision and if he doesn't then that is his fault and if that works in our favour then great.
my sentiments exactly. I think Long has the potential to be a great signing. I accept it's a risk but one we are going to need to take if we want to progress.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 20, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
so if an Albion player dived to win a penalty and we scored it and got promoted or stayed up , you cant honestly tell me you wouldn't be happy ?

I'd be happy we have got promoted/stayed up, but I would not be happy in the manner of how we did it.

I can tell that my opinion is very much in the minority, which is just an indicator to how accepted cheating is now in the modern game. Sad, very sad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on July 20, 2011, 06:22:28 PM
I'd be happy we have got promoted/stayed up, but I would not be happy in the manner of how we did it.

I can tell that my opinion is very much in the minority, which is just an indicator to as how accepted cheating is now in the modern game. Sad, very sad.

That is true mate, but having been done over by cheats and referee decisions so many times then its gets to the point where I dont care about it. Look at Giles Barnes two years ago against Blackpool and Swansea, those two penalties were very dubios and if it wasnt for those we may no have got promotion. Were you appalled by those?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 20, 2011, 06:28:48 PM
That is true mate, but having been done over by cheats and referee decisions so many times then its gets to the point where I dont care about it. Look at Giles Barnes two years ago against Blackpool and Swansea, those two penalties were very dubios and if it wasnt for those we may no have got promotion. Were you appalled by those?

You make a good point. I'm not doubting it's a tricky subject. All I can say is that at the time they looked penalties to me and therefore I celebrated them, but looking back I was sad that Barnes cheated. I very much went off Barnes after those instances.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 20, 2011, 07:09:25 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on July 20, 2011, 07:17:07 PM
I'm not exactly a huge fan of either but I think Long is another level compared to Graham. But this is only comparing youtube showreels.
My problem with Graham was that his goals were all very scrappy. Most were all from very close range, usually tap ins, headers, penalties or some kind of defensive error. Long on the other hand, seemed to score a lot more one on ones beating both defender and keeper in the process instead of just the keeper. As I say too, it showed a few good flick-ons too.

When I first said that about Graham people countered me saying 'he's a poacher'. I think Long looked more so, but either way we'll see this season. I am confident Graham won't do well.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 20, 2011, 08:55:04 PM
I disagree that the only way to succeed is to cheat, we did fine last season without getting any dodgy decisions. If Long is a diver, some in the crowd will rightly turn on him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on July 20, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
I disagree that the only way to succeed is to cheat, we did fine last season without getting any dodgy decisions. If Long is a diver, some in the crowd will rightly turn on him.

Noone said the only way to succeed is to cheat people just said if it happened we aren't going to moan about it. Plus i disagree about your last point if Long is scoring goals there is no way fans will turn against him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on July 20, 2011, 09:13:35 PM
Im not sure. Graham looked more confident striking with both feet, scoring 2 good goals with left and right from outside the box (if that is anything to go by). Long does seem to be able to come from a wider position and run with the ball mroe though.

Im just always a bit hesitant when it comes to signing players who have good seasons in the championship because it is such a different level. We have gone for both Graham and Long now and simply picking off the top of the championship top scorer lists is something we have done before and im not sure if it is the best way to go.

Then again, if he has honestly been scouted and they have somehow been able to decipher what ability you need to make the transition then great. Last season both DJ Campbell and Beckford managed to finish the season with good goal tally's and he would be a second striker so we arent after somebody who has to score over 10 goals. Add to that Long does seem to have a bit of trickery which I always hope for in attacking players as it makes them more interesting to watch.

As a side note, It would be quite useful if he could come out like this every game - see if anybody tries to tackle him then  :D.

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/121061/

Whilst I agree to a certain extent we can't rely on Odemwingie A staying fit and B hitting the form he's shown last season. Add in the fact he may be off with Nigeria in January. For me we have to sign another player with top flight experience. Ideally Premier League but any top league would do. It will also keep Pete on his toes.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on July 20, 2011, 09:54:53 PM
I just can't see this transfer happening, we're clearly looking abroad in my opinioin, did'nt JP say not too long ago after the luke moore debacle that he would never be stung in a high money cash offer again
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 20, 2011, 10:08:56 PM
I think we all recognise cheating is unfair but it happens, it's worked it's way into the mordern game and will only continue to grow. With that being said, we have to move forward with the modern football and not be left behind. I'd like to think our team doesn't cheat however I'm sure one or two go down easily but if teams are cheating us out like Stoke City for instance when Jones received a penalty for jumping in the air and falling on his backside then we're going to have to do the same.

It's not nice, but it's how the game of football has gone.

Just a side question, who was the player who got sent off against us in the FA Cup at there place when we drew 2-2? It was one of either Simon Church or Shane Long but can't remember which one..

Long. Challenge that broke jaras metertarsal
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 20, 2011, 10:22:26 PM
it is interesting to read how polarised we can be, in regard to cheating in the modern game....

And no, referees don't f*** us over because 'we're too bloody nice', they f*** us over because there is an obvious bias towards the so called "bigger" clubs, plus the pressure that more establish managers put upon the refs to get calls their way - the Pulis' and Moyes' of this world.


Just watch....the FA will at some point start acting on controlling cheating in the game and I bet it is the Shane Long's of little West Brom who get made an example of :( ....... not some cheating little ***** of one of the "bigger" clubs. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 20, 2011, 10:41:29 PM
Long. Challenge that broke jaras metertarsal

I was on about the tackle on Meite..
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 21, 2011, 03:47:33 AM
I was on about the tackle on Meite..

That might have been the one. I don't think anyone got sent off for jaras challenge. Was defo long that got sent off though. My bad :-)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 21, 2011, 06:56:19 PM
Well it seems we will know more in the next few days according to Baggies View, it seems that Roy really wants him , if i was JP i would offer them 4.5 million plus add ons.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on July 21, 2011, 07:00:45 PM
i think 4.5m plus miller would be my max offer.

He has the pace and is young and can only improve.

You would imagine this would be a signing that would come late in the window due to reading wanting to sell but holding out for the best price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: jamieee on July 21, 2011, 07:26:36 PM
Well it seems we will know more in the next few days according to Baggies View, it seems that Roy really wants him , if i was JP i would offer them 4.5 million plus add ons.
Got a link to baggies view? Cheers
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 22, 2011, 12:18:13 PM
Mention of Long in an article about Foster in the Birmingham Mail it would appear that Reading might be prepared to move off their original asking price a deal might be possible and Albion seem to be pole position.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 22, 2011, 12:29:08 PM
There is a story in the Reading Evening Post too that suggests they will be willing to negotiate as they don't want to risk losing him for nothing next summer.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reis wbafc patel on July 22, 2011, 02:34:17 PM
Would be an alright signing tbf. need another striker to partner Odemwingie imo.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 22, 2011, 03:07:38 PM
Would be an alright signing tbf. need another striker to partner Odemwingie imo.
Ive got a feeling Cox is going to come good this year!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 22, 2011, 03:10:09 PM
My guess is he will fall away in the premier league.Not good enough is what i mean.Just my humble folks
 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on July 22, 2011, 03:12:27 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 22, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on July 22, 2011, 03:18:28 PM
Even if he's one of the two that Hodgson is desperate for us to get?

Not proven in the Premier League, cheap and lazy signing........
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 22, 2011, 03:21:51 PM
Long or Miller      ?        Long
Long or Fortune' ?        Long
Long or Bednar     ?      Long

Long is better than them in my opinion so he is a improvement, People who are moaning please give me some strikers who would join us for a realistic fee and wages ? We are heading into our 2nd season , maybe when we stay in the league for another 4 years then we may splash out more on proven premier league players , intill then lets keep our feet on the ground and not get to over confident   :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1968-Tim on July 22, 2011, 03:23:35 PM
Can't wait for tghe commentary...

Long...........Cox.............Shoots......................Ohhhhhhhhhh.....Yessssssss

1-0 Albion  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on July 22, 2011, 03:24:49 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Tipton Baggie on July 22, 2011, 03:25:10 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 22, 2011, 03:29:35 PM
Long or Miller      ?        Long
Long or Fortune' ?        Long
Long or Bednar     ?      Long

Long is better than them in my opinion so he is a improvement, People who are moaning please give me some strikers who would join us for a realistic fee and wages ? We are heading into our 2nd season , maybe when we stay in the league for another 4 years then we may splash out more on proven premier league players , intill then lets keep our feet on the ground and not get to over confident and have patience for god sake ::)

The key words there are 'in my opinion'. In my opinion, Long has done nothing to suggest he is better than the three you have listed.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on July 22, 2011, 03:38:30 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Tipton Baggie on July 22, 2011, 03:40:07 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 22, 2011, 03:43:19 PM
The key words there are 'in my opinion'. In my opinion, Long has done nothing to suggest he is better than the three you have listed.

Miller is going backwards, Long has a big potential , Miller has only scored 16 goals in his senior career ,Long has 50  and there the same age  and has scored 6 times for Ireland

Bednar is 28 his touch is awful , struggled in the championship for Leicester , must sell , and he keeps saying he loves the club but when he moves to a new club for example Leicester he has a pop at RDM, or when gets taken off , remember Newcastle  he sulked.

Fortune' great to bring on  for the last few minutes if were winning and we need someone to hold on to the ball but at times he touch and his shooting accuracy is poor, remember Wolves away turned the defender shot and it nearly went over the bowls roof,

Just shows you that Miller and Bednar are poo when QPR and Leicester dont want to sign them , Long would be a perfect partner for Odemwingie 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on July 22, 2011, 03:46:56 PM
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I would call AJ more prolific than both of them mentioned, hes about 12 penaltys a season, not to mention the plus 20 goals for Palace and did a decent score for when he was at Fulham. I'd have him out the 3.

Don't get me wrong, I think AJ would also be a cracking signing. Although Jol seems to rate him at Fulham so that may be that in terms of trying to sign him. I just think that immediately dismissing Long as not good enough because of his lack of prem football could just mean we are missing out on a capable striker...or not!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on July 22, 2011, 03:49:37 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 22, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
If Stoke cant afford his wages , then i really cant see us getting Cole, CL has already said there is zero interest in Cole and said Hodgson wants  Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 22, 2011, 03:53:59 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 22, 2011, 03:55:36 PM
Miller is going backwards, Long has a big potential , Miller has only scored 16 goals in his senior career ,Long has 50  and there the same age  and has scored 6 times for Ireland

Bednar is 28 his touch is awful , struggled in the championship for Leicester , must sell , and he keeps saying he loves the club but when he moves to a new club for example Leicester he has a pop at RDM, or when gets taken off , remember Newcastle  he sulked.

Fortune' great to bring on  for the last few minutes if were winning and we need someone to hold on to the ball but at times he touch and his shooting accuracy is poor, remember Wolves away turned the defender shot and it nearly went over the bowls roof,

Just shows you that Miller and Bednar are poo when QPR and Leicester dont want to sign them , Long would be a perfect partner for Odemwingie

That again is all your opinion. It is neither right or wrong.

My opinion is that we do need a new striker to help Odemwingie, preferably one who we can get reasonably cheaply and not on massive wages. For that I think it is inevitable that to get value for money we need to look abroad. Long is going to be very pricey. 

Also, due to the system we play (one up front), the emphasis should be on a striker who can play the lone role well. Someone like Mbokani from Monaco would be ideal. I'm not sure Long would fit into our system.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 22, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Also, due to the system we play (one up front), the emphasis should be on a striker who can play the lone role well. Someone like Mbokani from Monaco would be ideal. I'm not sure Long would fit into our system.

Hodgson has a history of playing two up front, I honestly think he will revert to that more often next season should he get the players that he wants. We need options to mix things up, not pigeon hole us into one team shape.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on July 22, 2011, 04:01:44 PM
My opinion is that we do need a new striker to help Odemwingie, preferably one who we can get reasonably cheaply and not on massive wages. For that I think it is inevitable that to get value for money we need to look abroad. Long is going to be very pricey. 

Also, due to the system we play (one up front), the emphasis should be on a striker who can play the lone role well. Someone like Mbokani from Monaco would be ideal. I'm not sure Long would fit into our system.

Spot on, exactly what I was trying to say.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 22, 2011, 04:02:37 PM
Hodgson has a history of playing two up front, I honestly think he will revert to that more often next season should he get the players that he wants. We need options to mix things up, not pigeon hole us into one team shape.

I'm pretty sure this will be the case. I, for one, will be very sad to see a system which has served us so well the previous season dispensed with. The players are a perfect fit for the 4-5-1 formation. But hey, what do I know; I'm not the manager.

Just expressing my opinion.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 22, 2011, 04:05:07 PM
I agree with you as our strength is our midfield, however with that said did Long not play quite a few times up front on his own for Reading last season with a couple of wingers and an attacking midfielder to support him in attack? Every time I saw Reading last season I thought they played a 4-2-3-1 shape with Long as the lone striker.

I just think he is looking at him as someone who can play up front on his own and with a partner.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 22, 2011, 04:10:31 PM
That again is all your opinion. It is neither right or wrong.

My opinion is that we do need a new striker to help Odemwingie, preferably one who we can get reasonably cheaply and not on massive wages. For that I think it is inevitable that to get value for money we need to look abroad. Long is going to be very pricey. 

Also, due to the system we play (one up front), the emphasis should be on a striker who can play the lone role well. Someone like Mbokani from Monaco would be ideal. I'm not sure Long would fit into our system.

Why can't Long play up front by himself then? What evidence is that assumption based on? Im guessing its just another player been written off as a lone forward without even been tried.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 22, 2011, 04:16:04 PM
Why can't Long play up front by himself then? What evidence is that assumption based on? Im guessing its just another player been written off as a lone forward without even been tried.

I'm sure he's played quite a lot up front for Reading in a system very similar to the one we played for most of last season. The only question mark I have over him is whether he can make that step up a league as the gulf is quite big.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 22, 2011, 04:20:08 PM
Why can't Long play up front by himself then? What evidence is that assumption based on? Im guessing its just another player been written off as a lone forward without even been tried.

I didn't say he couldn't play up-front on his own, I just questioned his ability to.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 22, 2011, 05:27:38 PM
Whilst Long, at the right price, would be a decent signing, I must say I'm really surprised we don't seem to be going for any target men, which is something we really lack. None of our strikers are really any good in the air at all, and its something we really lack, we've got some tremendous crossers of the ball but its often pointless when the people they're aiming at can't head the ball.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 22, 2011, 05:51:22 PM
Whilst Long, at the right price, would be a decent signing, I must say I'm really surprised we don't seem to be going for any target men, which is something we really lack. None of our strikers are really any good in the air at all, and its something we really lack, we've got some tremendous crossers of the ball but its often pointless when the people they're aiming at can't head the ball.

Carew anyone? :P

On a serious note, Carlton cole would be a realistic option. Good in the air aswell as feet. Wages could prove a stumbling block but we will see.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on July 22, 2011, 06:11:52 PM
Carlton cole is a complete utter waste of space he is as lazy as they come cannot finish for toffee his goal record is woeful what was it last year 5 goals in 30 odd games

The thought of him playing up the albion for 40 grand a week plus gives me knightmares
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 22, 2011, 07:42:25 PM
Carlton cole is a complete utter waste of space he is as lazy as they come cannot finish for toffee his goal record is woeful what was it last year 5 goals in 30 odd games

The thought of him playing up the albion for 40 grand a week plus gives me knightmares

He's scored ten goals a season in the Premiership every season for the last five years, something none of our players including Peter Odemwingie haven't been capable of in their career. Hardly a terrible record.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 22, 2011, 08:21:40 PM
He has scored ten in two of the last five seasons.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggiebof on July 22, 2011, 08:44:53 PM
Whilst Long, at the right price, would be a decent signing, I must say I'm really surprised we don't seem to be going for any target men, which is something we really lack. None of our strikers are really any good in the air at all, and its something we really lack, we've got some tremendous crossers of the ball but its often pointless when the people they're aiming at can't head the ball.


Whilst I agree with you, I believe that a pacey striker who stretches the play is vital to the way we play. That said, I agree that a target man should be on the agenda also.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 22, 2011, 11:08:41 PM
We need to be careful not to make this into a Carlton Cole thread, not least as his wages and the fee mean he is an unrealistic target but I wouldnt really want him. His goals are okay as a second striker but I think in his career he has only had 3 seasons where he has achieved 10 league goals and he is nearly 28. That isnt a terrible record of course but he does not guarantee you goals and he isnt worth the huge wages he is demanding.

Im also always a bit wary when a player who seems on the surface to score goals is booed by his own fans. Makes you wonder if he is lazy,

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 23, 2011, 01:30:53 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 23, 2011, 02:19:42 AM
I didn't say he couldn't play up-front on his own, I just questioned his ability to.

If you've seen much of him play you can see he can hold the line well by himself and play as one of a forward two. I think he's the sort of signing we need, if Odemwingie gets injured I'd fancy Long to step in and do a job over the likes of Bednar, Miller and Fortune . The kids got ability and potential lets give him a chance.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 23, 2011, 07:43:46 AM
The Express article is the first one I have seen that has mentioned a realistic fee for Long. I think we are in pole position Newcastle were interested but they have signed Ba and are reportedly trying to sign Mevlut Erdinc from PSG, so I guess they are looking at Long as a secondary target.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 23, 2011, 08:05:33 AM
If you've seen much of him play you can see he can hold the line well by himself and play as one of a forward two. I think he's the sort of signing we need, if Odemwingie gets injured I'd fancy Long to step in and do a job over the likes of Bednar, Miller and Fortune . The kids got ability and potential lets give him a chance.

I'm not saying this because I don't like him, but I too have seen quite a bit of him and I just don't see the fuss around him. His goal scoring record is nothing special and a lot of the goals he has scored were from penalties. Furthermore, as I've already stated in this thread, the man is a cheat to the core. I'd be disappointed if we signed him, especially when the fee is likely to be relatively large - I just think there are better options out there. Obviously Roy sees something in him, though, and he is our manager and if he signs him of course I will give him a chance. I'd just be very surprised if it's a signing that comes off.


Now I know a lot of posters will jump on this post as it's seen as negative to question the manager and there is this whole notion of "give the kid a chance". I'm just stating my opinion. This is a forum after all.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on July 23, 2011, 11:36:23 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 23, 2011, 11:38:19 AM
So 5 mil has been quoted. I'd still test the water at around 3.5 first.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rockyoc on July 23, 2011, 11:54:41 AM
If anyone saw him and Cox play up front for the Republic of Ireland then they would know that it could be an exciting partnership.  They worked very well together.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 23, 2011, 12:06:52 PM
If anyone saw him and Cox play up front for the Republic of Ireland then they would know that it could be an exciting partnership.  They worked very well together.

I forgot there international team mates. Maybe that's why roy is looking at him. Maybe cox has a bigpart to play when PO goes to cup of nations and he's watched them together for Ireland.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 23, 2011, 12:17:21 PM
To think if he does become a Baggie he will feel well at home in The West Mids with all of his fellow countrymen
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on July 23, 2011, 03:49:29 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 23, 2011, 03:56:43 PM
Shane Long scores for Reading in their friendly.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 23, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
When you compare to Danny Graham who has a better career scoring record, we really shouldn't be paying more money.

Graham scored nearly 40 goals in 3 years in league 1 before moving to Watford where he scored 40 goals in 2 seasons for Watford.

Shane Long, only a year younger, last year scored the same amount as Graham but it was the first time he has ever hit double figures, in all competitions, in a season (his previous best was 9).

Graham went for 3.5 million. If Hodgson is really set on Long, we should not pay more than that for a player who has done less, especially when we bid for Graham earlier in the year and then baulked at the 3.5 million asking price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on July 23, 2011, 04:20:24 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 23, 2011, 04:22:30 PM
This is a good article on the career of Shane Long

http://theseventytwo.com/football-league/championship/2011/05/27/shane-long-a-brief-history-of-readings-star-striker/

Summary: A confidence player with great potential
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 23, 2011, 04:26:19 PM
Shane Long scored again, pen. been took off now.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Cal on July 23, 2011, 04:56:33 PM
Just logged in for first time in aaages, and saw this thread. And now im making my first comment.

So hello everyone, this forum makes a great read and passes time at work.

Now this thread appears to have been going for a while so im sure this has probably already been mentoned (i cant read 12 pages worth).

But im sure i heard Brian McDermott say on talk sport that he is in the final year of his contract. So i would be very suprised if JP pays more than 4 million for him should this be the case.

Can anyone confirm the length he has left on his contract.

For the record i beleive he would be a great signing, he can definately play a lone striker role, as he works the channels well and hispace stretches teams (granted they have been championship teams).

ps, i saw a previous post that he will play with cox when PO is in African nations, im pretty sure also that their is no ANCup this year as they moved it so it would never tie in with a world cup year again????
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on July 23, 2011, 05:05:59 PM
Just logged in for first time in aaages, and saw this thread. And now im making my first comment.

So hello everyone, this forum makes a great read and passes time at work.

Now this thread appears to have been going for a while so im sure this has probably already been mentoned (i cant read 12 pages worth).

But im sure i heard Brian McDermott say on talk sport that he is in the final year of his contract. So i would be very suprised if JP pays more than 4 million for him should this be the case.

Can anyone confirm the length he has left on his contract.

For the record i beleive he would be a great signing, he can definately play a lone striker role, as he works the channels well and hispace stretches teams (granted they have been championship teams).

ps, i saw a previous post that he will play with cox when PO is in African nations, im pretty sure also that their is no ANCup this year as they moved it so it would never tie in with a world cup year again????
just done a bit of reading on this, they're moving the anc to odd years from 2013 so it doesn't clash with the World Cup any more, but this means the tournament will be held in January 2012 and 2013!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Cal on July 23, 2011, 05:11:28 PM
just done a bit of reading on this, they're moving the anc to odd years from 2013 so it doesn't clash with the World Cup any more, but this means the tournament will be held in January 2012 and 2013!

So we potentially lose PO for for a month 2 seasons running??  Better sign Shane Long then!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on July 23, 2011, 05:58:03 PM
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Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 23, 2011, 06:45:30 PM
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Post by: texisonfire on July 23, 2011, 07:02:15 PM
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Post by: DaveWBA on July 23, 2011, 07:04:54 PM
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Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 23, 2011, 07:05:25 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: texisonfire on July 23, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
I don't think Hodgson see's Cox as an out and out striker in the same mold as Odemwingie and Long. Cox is vying for places against Morrison and Tchoyi if you ask me.

Yeah I agree, he see's him as the player RDM did, not as the striker he has played his career as. I think it's a shame as he is a goalscorer, not a second striker
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ihsaan on July 23, 2011, 11:52:37 PM
This is a good article on the career of Shane Long

http://theseventytwo.com/football-league/championship/2011/05/27/shane-long-a-brief-history-of-readings-star-striker/

Summary: A confidence player with great potential
Slightly worrying that he's struggled whenever he's been used as an 'impact sub' when you consider that'll be his role unless Odemwingie picks up an injury or we change formation :\.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 24, 2011, 12:00:07 AM
Slightly worrying that he's struggled whenever he's been used as an 'impact sub' when you consider that'll be his role unless Odemwingie picks up an injury or we change formation :\.

We'll change formation.

Roy will play... 4-4 #$?!ing 2!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 24, 2011, 12:20:51 AM
We'll change formation.

Roy will play... 4-4 #$?!ing 2!
A quote from the best footie film...EVER. ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 24, 2011, 12:11:55 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on July 24, 2011, 12:26:06 PM
Everyone is talking about Long as the player at the top of our list, but is he? In recent years we have unearthed some gems from other countries, so who's to say we haven't got another target at the top of our list, particularly in view of Roy's strong links in Europe.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on July 24, 2011, 12:34:53 PM
Everyone is talking about Long as the player at the top of our list, but is he? In recent years we have unearthed some gems from other countries, so who's to say we haven't got another target at the top of our list, particularly in view of Roy's strong links in Europe.

Based on the players we have been linked with and have signed so far, it seems as though Roy Hodgson is looking to add British-based players to our squad where possible.

I think this is a good tactic if the players are good enough, because it means that they should know a bit about the pace of the game and should also be able to cope fairly comfortably with the more physical side of the game, something which foreign players occasionally struggle with during their first few months in the Premier League.

Shane Long wouldn't necessarily be my top target, but I still think he would be a good signing and would send out a signal of intent to the rest of the Premier League when you consider the number of clubs who have been looking at Long for quite a while now.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on July 24, 2011, 05:16:59 PM
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Post by: divinewind on July 24, 2011, 06:14:34 PM
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Post by: baggieboyjop on July 24, 2011, 06:39:15 PM
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Post by: NathWBA on July 24, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on July 24, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
Shane Long would be ok, I suppose, but I am secretly hoping to turn on to the OS tomorrow to discover that Roy has pulled another rabbit out of the hat and signed an experienced, striker (not over the hill) who would be much less of a gamble than Long and who would be capable of making a telling difference for us, which I am not convinced Long will.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 25, 2011, 07:52:40 AM
Not a fan of this signing and probably wont be unless we get him for 3-4 million. Anything more and he'd need to have a groundbreaking couple of seasons for us to make any money on him, especially if we fork out the 8 million they want. Absolutely ridiculous money for a non-experienced player.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 25, 2011, 09:21:34 AM
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Post by: baggieboyjop on July 25, 2011, 01:19:02 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 25, 2011, 01:29:21 PM
Looking at some of his stats last season in the league: He got 23 goals, 7 were pens, 4 were headers and he got 10 assists as well. Graham who scored the same only scored 1 pen and managed the same amount of assists.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 25, 2011, 11:15:39 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 25, 2011, 11:19:09 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MarkW on July 25, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
Look, maybe I'm just being pessimistic here, but one season doesn't make a player. Yes we have to gamble because we can't afford to go for established Prem players, but I'm not sure Long is the right choice.

For Reading he averages around 1 goal every 4 games over his career at the club. (200 appearances, 50 goals according to Wiki).

Now, granted, he did well last season, with 25 goals in 50 appearances, but before that he hadn't got into double figures, and his Prem goals were 7 in 58.

Not sure really.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 25, 2011, 11:23:05 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Zebidee on July 25, 2011, 11:26:25 PM
True.. And with long wanting a prem move
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 25, 2011, 11:27:53 PM
I really cannot see anyone, yet alone a Championship club who still have Cole and Piqueonne on the books, making a 5m+3m in add on bids for a player who's had one good season, and only has a year left on his deal.

You'd think 5m would be the absolute maximum they could get for him taking into account he can walk for free in a year otherwise.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 25, 2011, 11:32:55 PM
True.. And with long wanting a prem move

You know this bid is true because...?

If it is true they can have him; we move on.

Or.

They've made a ridiculous offer so they can talk to him with no intention of offering him a deal that he'd find acceptable just to bugger us around for us buggering them around over green.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 25, 2011, 11:57:05 PM
If this is true it is beyond ludicrous. West Ham surely cannot afford to spend that much. I think 3-4 million is very fair.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Zebidee on July 25, 2011, 11:58:58 PM
I was saying true to WSbaggie... As in true, I agree with what he said
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 26, 2011, 12:06:39 AM
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Post by: Baggie Artist on July 26, 2011, 12:37:06 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on July 26, 2011, 02:15:46 AM
Lets buy long then swap him for cole and piquonne (would be amazing, but
Only a dream)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on July 26, 2011, 06:47:41 AM
Mate i wouldnt swap the cleaning lady for carlton cole
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2011, 06:56:19 AM
I find this very hard to believe as West ham surely dont have the finances to pay 5 plus 3 for a player like Long - not after spending so much on the likes of Nolan and Faye (big wages) on top of the wages they are already paying.

If it is true then good luck to them - they are being ripped off.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on July 26, 2011, 08:07:32 AM
Let them have him
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie steve on July 26, 2011, 08:25:27 AM
Id be surprised if Long went to West Ham as i'm sure i read that he wanted to move so he could play in the premier league ?
If he doesn't want to come to us then we could go for the more expirienced Robbie Keane
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Barrington on July 26, 2011, 08:47:08 AM
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Post by: phbaggies on July 26, 2011, 09:06:02 AM
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Post by: royhan on July 26, 2011, 09:21:46 AM
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Post by: Savvas78 on July 26, 2011, 09:34:09 AM
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Post by: phbaggies on July 26, 2011, 09:36:19 AM
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Post by: duncan on July 26, 2011, 09:37:07 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 26, 2011, 09:41:27 AM
WH must really expect to come back up first time of asking. No pressure Chris! Could be sacked at Xmas if not looking automatic. Wouldn't mind them doing a leeds. For me let Reading keep long and use him to beat WH into another season in the championship!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on July 26, 2011, 10:00:50 AM
Reminds a little of when Coventry bought Hughes and failed to get promotion.  It'd be almost worth seeing them get Long at that price just to seem them collapse.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 26, 2011, 10:13:57 AM
The local reading reporter (their CL) on twitter is confirming that west ham have tabled the bid.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 26, 2011, 10:18:39 AM
Even though I didn't want him here. It's another case of "you snooze, you lose"
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mat15(MH) on July 26, 2011, 10:20:40 AM
Even though I didn't want him here. It's another case of "you snooze, you lose"

Not at all imo.If that's how much West Ham are willing to offer,I wouldn't want us going in for him at that price.It's simply not worth it,for someone with one year left on his contract,unproven in the premiership and at that price,little sell on value should he be successful.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 26, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Not at all imo.If that's how much West Ham are willing to offer,I wouldn't want us going in for him at that price.It's simply not worth it,for someone with one year left on his contract,unproven in the premiership and at that price,little sell on value should he be successful.

I understand that but it just proves if we keep stating an Interest in players without launching a bid whether it be 4 mil or 8 mil, were going to lose out on players. JP has been interested in this player for a while now as has RH and DA. by now you would of thought a bid, however small or large, would of been lodged. It just shows we like Yo save the pennies and bring in people who cannot improve the team on the last day of the window. I really wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with foster at this rate and we end up with paddy Kenny!

It's always been the same IMO at the Albion, save money and don't pay the wages therefore players don't come.

I understand we wouldn't of placed 8mil bid for him. But I'm sure reading would accept 5mil from a premier league team rather than 8mil from a championship club that probally won't come back up this season.

Just another example of not willing to pay for players and losing out.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mat15(MH) on July 26, 2011, 10:34:39 AM
I understand that but it just proves if we keep stating an Interest in players without launching a bid whether it be 4 mil or 8 mil, were going to lose out on players. JP has been interested in this player for a while now as has RH and DA. by now you would of thought a bid, however small or large, would of been lodged. It just shows we like Yo save the pennies and bring in people who cannot improve the team on the last day of the window. I really wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with foster at this rate and we end up with paddy Kenny!

It's always been the same IMO at the Albion, save money and don't pay the wages therefore players don't come.

I understand we wouldn't of placed 8mil bid for him. But I'm sure reading would accept 5mil from a premier league team rather than 8mil from a championship club that probally won't come back up this season.

Just another example of not willing to pay for players and losing out.

Why would they rather accept 5 Million from us than 8 Million from West Ham?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 26, 2011, 10:37:38 AM
Why would they rather accept 5 Million from us than 8 Million from West Ham?

I would of thought long would of stepped in saying he would rather play prem football rather than championship.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mat15(MH) on July 26, 2011, 10:42:07 AM
I would of thought long would of stepped in saying he would rather play prem football rather than championship.

I don't think that would stop the club accepting the bid,it might mean that Long rejects them then we'd still be in with a chance of buying him if we desperately want him,which if we do means we will offer them a decent deal.If not we move onto another target.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on July 26, 2011, 10:44:15 AM
Two announcements over the weekend.Who was it that said that.We will end up loosing out and going foreign instead
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on July 26, 2011, 10:46:16 AM
There's been plenty of specultation linking us to Long, but I cannot recall seeing a direct quote from Roy declaring our interest.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on July 26, 2011, 10:47:39 AM
why do we take bloody ages messing about , then others clubs just make a bid instead of albion pratting about not doing anything !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 26, 2011, 10:50:08 AM
Well West Ham are certainly upping the ante.

Will ultimately come down to how much we want him as we will know how much they want for him by now and if we do go for him it will be down to the player to decide between us and them.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on July 26, 2011, 10:54:50 AM
The ball's in our court now. If we really want him we will have to match West Hams' offer.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 26, 2011, 10:55:21 AM
West Ham are bidding stupid money - leave them to it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 26, 2011, 10:55:52 AM
I understand that but it just proves if we keep stating an Interest in players without launching a bid whether it be 4 mil or 8 mil, were going to lose out on players. JP has been interested in this player for a while now as has RH and DA. by now you would of thought a bid, however small or large, would of been lodged. It just shows we like Yo save the pennies and bring in people who cannot improve the team on the last day of the window. I really wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happens with foster at this rate and we end up with paddy Kenny!

It's always been the same IMO at the Albion, save money and don't pay the wages therefore players don't come.

I understand we wouldn't of placed 8mil bid for him. But I'm sure reading would accept 5mil from a premier league team rather than 8mil from a championship club that probally won't come back up this season.

Just another example of not willing to pay for players and losing out.


Yeah, just like JP did with Curtis Davies, Peter Odemwingie....

Sheesh, the things that JP gets falsely accused of just to stoke up the arguments that fit people's prejudices.

Never let the facts get in the way of your opinion, eh?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 26, 2011, 10:56:29 AM
stop moaning ::)  People need to realize that West Ham have to get back to the Premier League this season, so there going to take a few risks, if they want to pay 5 million plus add ons then we look elsewhere, we wont pay that sort of money .
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 26, 2011, 11:00:44 AM
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Post by: richjonawba on July 26, 2011, 11:02:26 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on July 26, 2011, 11:25:52 AM

Yeah, just like JP did with Curtis Davies, Peter Odemwingie....

Sheesh, the things that JP gets falsely accused of just to stoke up the arguments that fit people's prejudices.

Never let the facts get in the way of your opinion, eh?

I like how you have just picked out the 'good' buys and not the countless 'duds' we have signed in the past.

Anyway, as for Long I'm not fussed about him anyway. As you mentioned we need to be looking at Premiership players or those in the top flight of other countries.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on July 26, 2011, 11:26:39 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommi on July 26, 2011, 12:18:15 PM
I dont understand why everyone was so shocked initially to see West Ham make the bid. Typical senseless move by the club once again.

If we get out bid by them for him it will be rather frustrating for the staff who put his name high up on the wanted list.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 26, 2011, 12:53:11 PM
If West Ham want to run their club into financial ruin then let them because I would not like to see my club competing at those prices for a player who is in the last year of his contract. It just wouldn't make any sense in my opinion whether we rate the player or not we have to be realistic with our funds.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 26, 2011, 12:56:15 PM
It's always been the same IMO at the Albion, save money and don't pay the wages therefore players don't come.

I understand we wouldn't of placed 8mil bid for him. But I'm sure reading would accept 5mil from a premier league team rather than 8mil from a championship club that probally won't come back up this season.

Just another example of not willing to pay for players and losing out.

If West Ham are willing to pay over the odds then let them. Why should we force ourselves into a bidding war with them when realistically we don't have the funds to? Whatever price Reading want for Shane Long would of been quite alot for a player in the final year of his contract. It would of made perfect sense to of tried to make the deal easier for ourselves if we are willing to sign the lad. If some club trys to beat our tactic by chucking stupid money around then let them.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on July 26, 2011, 01:00:27 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 26, 2011, 01:03:50 PM
Them two at at West Ham are Mega.8 million loose change to them.They wont crumble if they buy Long.They are premier league in terms of Money we are championship
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 26, 2011, 01:14:00 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: boinger1968 on July 26, 2011, 01:16:39 PM
Sorry, have I missed something here? Have Reading accepted West Ham's offer and is Long going there? All I've heard so far are rumours so if there is any official word can someone please post a link. Failing that what's everyone panicing about? If the guy doesn't want to come to us then I'd rather he went to West Ham anyway. We only want players that want to play for us.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: boinger1968 on July 26, 2011, 01:22:06 PM
And another thing!....Just found this on SSN website

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_7062360,00.html
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 26, 2011, 01:24:59 PM
Reading must be absolutely mad to reject that offer, you could surely get a more than decent replacement in for a fraction of that. For someone who's only had one good season its a hell of a gamble from them.

Still, you'd think that rules us out. I can't see us breaking our transfer record, or at least so comfortably, for someone like Long. Particularly when Toivonen was ruled out as too expensive.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 26, 2011, 01:26:19 PM
And another thing!....Just found this on SSN website

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_7062360,00.html

If they won't accept that we should turn our attentions elsewhere, he isn't worth the hassle. Let's just get him on a bosman next year - meanwhile lets try and find another Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on July 26, 2011, 01:28:09 PM
It doesnt say that they wouldnt be happy with the fee.  They dont want to sell to a Championship rival.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 26, 2011, 01:29:40 PM
It doesnt say that they wouldnt be happy with the fee.  They dont want to sell to a Championship rival.

Well 5m to 8m is already out of our range you'd think, he's hardly done anything to show he's that good.

Plus they sold Mills to Leicester, when Wolves bid as well, just for the extra million or so.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 26, 2011, 01:44:40 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 26, 2011, 01:50:15 PM
Sky Sports and their sources appear to believe that Reading have rejected the bid from West Ham. Would they really accept a lesser bid from a Premiership club out of principle after saying they wouldn't sell to a Championship rival?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on July 26, 2011, 01:55:21 PM
Them two at at West Ham are Mega.8 million loose change to them.They wont crumble if they buy Long.They are premier league in terms of Money we are championship

The owners of Leeds thought this too. Gold and Sullivan left Blues in millions of debt and then cashed in at the first opportunity and look how bad Blues are looking now. I dont care what anyone says about them been 'fans' they will up and leave one day and leave West Ham ran into the ground because of deals like 8 million for Long (if it happens of course)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on July 26, 2011, 02:05:39 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 26, 2011, 02:32:40 PM
I think sometimes we 'monitor' players for too long and then end up panic buying.
We're world class at monitoring and "closing in" on players!  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on July 26, 2011, 03:57:29 PM
let the hammers have him, 8 million way over the odds in my opinion. leicster have got the chump league rivals pooing themselves
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 26, 2011, 04:36:50 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 26, 2011, 04:43:43 PM
given that the bid came from West Ham it might not have been anything like what has been reported.

It will be interesting to see what happens next with this 

That part definitely crossed my mind given their owners and their previous in that regard.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 26, 2011, 05:06:53 PM
Shane Long scored or assisted 34 of Reading's 82 goals (41.4%) in the Championship (inc. playoffs) in 2010/11

Not a bad stat to be fair!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 26, 2011, 05:11:34 PM
Shane Long scored or assisted 34 of Reading's 82 goals (41.4%) in the Championship (inc. playoffs) in 2010/11

Not a bad stat to be fair!!

Graham had the same amount of assists and goals in the league, only 1 came from a pen whereas Long scored 7 from the spot, Watford are a worse team then Reading as well. No-one seemed to rate Graham though - yet the stats suggests he is just as good or better. I think we should simply turn our attentions elsewhere - if we haven't already.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ihsaan on July 26, 2011, 06:07:26 PM
Graham had the same amount of assists and goals in the league, only 1 came from a pen whereas Long scored 7 from the spot, Watford are a worse team then Reading as well. No-one seemed to rate Graham though - yet the stats suggests he is just as good or better. I think we should simply turn our attentions elsewhere - if we haven't already.
I'm assuming our scouts are looking at more than simply statistics though? I haven't watched either player enough to make a judgement, but there must be a reason we are looking at Long but decided not to make a similar bid for Graham. Long is 2 years younger, but that's all I can say without watching him regularly.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 26, 2011, 06:24:38 PM
I'm assuming our scouts are looking at more than simply statistics though? I haven't watched either player enough to make a judgement, but there must be a reason we are looking at Long but decided not to make a similar bid for Graham. Long is 2 years younger, but that's all I can say without watching him regularly.

I think Long is a better player - although I don't think Long should cost 4million more. I'm merely trying assess a fair value and highlight how ridiculous their asking price for Long is.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2011, 08:44:09 PM
It's annoying that championship clubs can out bid those in the premier league this summer. Arent West ham supposed to be in financial trouble. The way they have gone these past 2 months you would think they were still in the top flight. 8 million for Shane Long - West Ham must be barmy.

It happened to Wolves earlier in the year with Matt Mills so you can see it happening here but clubs in such debts shouldnt be able to out bid 3 premier league teams. Money really is out of control.

If the reports are true (and the press do get it wrong - look at Wolves Johnson/O Hara), then we should walk away because Reading wont accept less than 5-8 million now with West Ham seemingly prepared to pay that amount. Only way we will go in again surely would be if this is a bluff and the figure has been blown up by both clubs.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 26, 2011, 10:10:35 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RogerBadoo on July 26, 2011, 10:22:40 PM
Firstly West Ham must be mad considering the risk of failing to gain promotion - secondly we should walk away this is far too much money for a player who has had half a good season. I imagine that Ashworth and Hogson have other targets.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 26, 2011, 11:00:13 PM
Firstly West Ham must be mad considering the risk of failing to gain promotion - secondly we should walk away this is far too much money for a player who has had half a good season. I imagine that Ashworth and Hogson have other targets.

The clubs known for ages how much Reading wanted.

Suppose we can rest easy knowing that we at least 'monitored' the situation anyway.


Another fortnight of the transfer window wasted chasing something that was never going to happen.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 26, 2011, 11:02:03 PM
The clubs known for ages how much Reading wanted.

Suppose we can rest easy knowing that we at least 'monitored' the situation anyway.


Another fortnight of the transfer window wasted chasing something that was never going to happen.


So he's definitely going to West Ham then I take it judging by this post.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on July 26, 2011, 11:27:28 PM
We havent wasted 2 weeks as such red head, but we do now need to move on to other targets - if of course the figures are true which is not necessarily a guarantee - could be posturing from both clubs. The figures being quoted are too high though for a player who has at the age of 24 only showed flashes of what he can do.

I can understand the attraction as he is strong, fast and has skill but he has been playing for Reading for years and has only now started to get going (we need players to bed in relatively quickly) and last year they sold the far superior Gylfi Sigurdsson for only 5 million who was younger and had a better record.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: donnybaggieboy on July 26, 2011, 11:30:42 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 26, 2011, 11:32:45 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: donnybaggieboy on July 26, 2011, 11:38:49 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 27, 2011, 12:27:04 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 27, 2011, 12:29:49 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 27, 2011, 12:31:25 AM
Saw something on BBC earlier that Liverpool are interested in Long, there was a link to the Daily Mail but link didn't work  ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 27, 2011, 12:32:16 AM
Saw something on BBC earlier that Liverpool are interested in Long, there was a link to the Daily Mail but link didn't work  ::)

Yep I read something similiar to that earlier sent scouts to watch him in their recently friendly when he scored twice.

Found Link : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2019121/Shane-Long-watched-Liverpool.html
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 27, 2011, 12:33:51 AM
I just can't see it myself - we will not pay that much.
Nor should we.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 27, 2011, 12:34:11 AM
Yep I read something similiar to that earlier sent scouts to watch him in their recently friendly when he scored twice.

King Kenny's gone mad - he will probably offer 40million as a opening bid  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 27, 2011, 12:35:01 AM
I could see potential in a 4m + Miller.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on July 27, 2011, 12:36:23 AM
Wot a larf!

We won't pay 5m for Long let alone 8m.

We'd be better off going for Keane, Defoe or Crouch at Spurs asking prices - at least they're proven.

AJ for 3m anyone?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 27, 2011, 12:38:16 AM
I could see potential in a 4m + Miller.

That would be okay. All the Reading fans want Cox back though.

2million + Cox.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on July 27, 2011, 12:41:30 AM
That would be okay. All the Reading fans want Cox back though.

2million + Cox.
Do they? He only played 2 league games for them. Hardly a club legend.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 27, 2011, 12:43:17 AM
Reading won't want our rejects if they have a cash offer on the table. They may not want our rejects at all.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 27, 2011, 12:45:04 AM
Do they? He only played 2 league games for them. Hardly a club legend.

On their forum they all want him back - not sure why, perhaps it's just beacause he is a local lad who came through their academy.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on July 27, 2011, 12:54:00 AM
I could see potential in a 4m + Miller.
Why would you spend that much money on a unproven player at prem level. When there is AJ, Crouch and maybey Defore. For the same price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: knightstorm on July 27, 2011, 12:58:13 AM
That would be okay. All the Reading fans want Cox back though.

2million + Cox.

I see Cox as a better player than Long. May not get as many goals, but a more capable, hard working player imo
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on July 27, 2011, 01:02:04 AM
Why would you spend that much money on a unproven player at prem level. When there is AJ, Crouch and maybey Defore. For the same price.

Wages? Resell Value? A.J is also injury prone. Not to mention it appears Long is Hodgson #1 choice.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: knightstorm on July 27, 2011, 01:03:12 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on July 27, 2011, 01:46:34 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 27, 2011, 01:54:00 AM
Wages? Resell Value? A.J is also injury prone. Not to mention it appears Long is Hodgson #1 choice.

Hodgson likes AJ as well though, wanted him earlier in the summer
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1968-Tim on July 27, 2011, 10:45:57 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on July 27, 2011, 10:55:19 AM
Long 8Mill

N'Zogbia 9.5 Mill

JOG ON READING !! MOVE ON ALBION !!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mister AT on July 27, 2011, 11:29:59 AM
Long is a good player overall but not worth 8 million when hes in his last year.

Id rather look at Maynard if were looking to take a championship player.
Scores goals constantly in that league for a mid table team.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 27, 2011, 11:33:49 AM
Someone asked Jonny Fordham a reporter for the Reading Post on twitter about an update on Long to Albion and he replied: I think it will happen, might drag on even longer though. Can't see him going to West Ham.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mike on July 27, 2011, 11:38:41 AM
Long 8Mill

N'Zogbia 9.5 Mill


Excellent point...Villa realy have got a great deal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mossi28 on July 27, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
This is the way i see it.

Reading would be foolish to accept the offer from West Ham. Imagine making your promotion rivals stronger than you. They could keep him all season, get promoted and get 40 million when they come up or sell to a promotion rival, watch his goals be the difference between them and West Ham and fall out the automatic promotion spots.

I think that either he will be kept and lost on a free or go to a prem team.

Could you Imagine if we would have sold Phillips to Stoke when we won the championship(our then closest rivals for promotion)?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 27, 2011, 12:00:30 PM
Someone asked Jonny Fordham a reporter for the Reading Post on twitter about an update on Long to Albion and he replied: I think it will happen, might drag on even longer though. Can't see him going to West Ham.

Interesting.

If this happens then we can put to bed the board not backing the manager as we will splash a lot of cash on someone most believe to be Roy's pick.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mossi28 on July 27, 2011, 12:01:30 PM
Point taken.

I have always been of the opinion that strikers are the players that win you games, although Mills is a very good player, i know which player i would try to keep hold of.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 27, 2011, 12:09:09 PM
Shane Long 8 million

Jermaine Defoe 10 million...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on July 27, 2011, 12:13:14 PM
Shane Long 8 million

Jermaine Defoe 10 million...

Shane Long 25k a week

Jermain Defore 70k a week.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 27, 2011, 12:17:14 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: graka on July 27, 2011, 12:17:42 PM
Shane Long 25k a week

Jermain Defore 70k a week.
exactly, you gotta pay for proven quality im afraid.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on July 27, 2011, 12:19:20 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 27, 2011, 12:24:52 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 27, 2011, 12:49:49 PM
How many of those games did he start?

I'm guessing not a lot, as i seem to remember Reading's front two were Dave Kitson and Kevin Doyle, and then they had Leroy Lita
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 27, 2011, 12:51:10 PM
Steve Madely on twitter: A thought on Long. Will #wba or another PL team necessarily need to match West Ham's bid to get him? What if the player digs his heels in?

if he decides he doesn't want to move to a Championship club, Reading's hand could be forced as he could leave for nothing in a year.

That, added to the comments the Reading Post journalist has also made suggests to me that this could be potentially what will happen and why it may drag on for some time yet.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 27, 2011, 12:57:00 PM
Steve Madely on twitter: A thought on Long. Will #wba or another PL team necessarily need to match West Ham's bid to get him? What if the player digs his heels in?

if he decides he doesn't want to move to a Championship club, Reading's hand could be forced as he could leave for nothing in a year.

That, added to the comments the Reading Post journalist has also made suggests to me that this could be potentially what will happen and why it may drag on for some time yet.


Lets expect him on the 31st of January then :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 27, 2011, 02:06:18 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on July 27, 2011, 04:41:23 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 27, 2011, 04:55:37 PM
I personally think if we offered 6.5 million for him, Reading would accept it. They have made it clear that they would prefer not to sell him to a championship rival, hence why West Ham's bid was rejected. I may be wrong of course but its just what i think.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j_dog_1980 on July 27, 2011, 05:00:38 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 27, 2011, 05:03:17 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Cal on July 27, 2011, 05:20:22 PM
All this 'Long 8mill Defoe 10 mill' talk has to stop. Despite the difference in wages Jermaine Defoe would turn us down flat, its that simple.
I do think 8 mill is alot for Long mind, even if he had 5 years left on his conract. Reading playing silly buggers with this deal, i dont beleive to for a second West Ham bid 5.5 rising to 8.
If we did sign him though he would improve our first team squad, and theirs your dilemma.

Whats also interesting is that Appy has been quoted as saying last night that we are 'very close on 2 signings,' nw one is obviously Foster and hearing the noises coming from Reading the other ISNT Shane Long, so who is it...???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 27, 2011, 05:34:07 PM
Whats also interesting is that Appy has been quoted as saying last night that we are 'very close on 2 signings,' nw one is obviously Foster and hearing the noises coming from Reading the other ISNT Shane Long, so who is it...???

Did you actually read the quotes or just see the headline with that story?

"Hopefully they'll be one or two arrivals in the coming days or weeks but we've probably been hoping that for the last couple of weeks now.

"The longer it goes on it gets a little bit frustrating but hopefully we're at a stage where we're nearer rather than further away from getting one or two in.

"I'd like to think we're working hard to make that happen but ultimately there has to be agreement between the two clubs and if there isn't agreement between the two clubs we have to look elsewhere."


Having read that it could well be Long he is referring to as well as Foster, we know we want him and have been in talks with Reading and it is also possible that they would accept a lesser deal for him from a Premiership club than they would accept from a Championship rival especially if Long digs his heels in about wanting a Premiership move. Those are the noises I've heard about this potential deal so far, might drag on a couple of weeks more.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 30, 2011, 03:43:29 PM
proves what i said about i dont like longs attitude. jonny fordman who covers reading fc tweeted this


@JonnyFordham
Jonny Fordham
Long gets a ticking off after what looked like a bit of a head-butt into the body of Risser #readingfc Pure frustration from the striker
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on July 30, 2011, 08:00:39 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dangerman on July 30, 2011, 08:44:44 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 30, 2011, 11:00:23 PM
The guy who tweeted has admitted to it being a 'joke'. Never trust twitter lol

'an unknown source' said it all for me...  ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 31, 2011, 10:14:35 AM
I've really come around to the idea of getting Shane Long in. Want to get it done. If Liverpool and Bayern were having a look then he must have some serious potential!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: alwaysbilly on July 31, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2011, 11:55:10 AM
Has DJ gone to QPR yet? for me a much better bet than Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: richjonawba on July 31, 2011, 12:15:57 PM
Has DJ gone to QPR yet? for me a much better bet than Long

I agree id much prefer us to sign Campbell than Long, even if it was for the same price
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbastrollers on July 31, 2011, 04:31:10 PM
I agree id much prefer us to sign Campbell than Long, even if it was for the same price

What! 6-8 mil for Campbell, the world will definately have gone mad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on July 31, 2011, 05:10:11 PM
What! 6-8 mil for Campbell, the world will definately have gone mad.

love coming on here, it reminds me that there are people in this world far more delusional than i am!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: richjonawba on July 31, 2011, 05:22:55 PM
What! 6-8 mil for Campbell, the world will definately have gone mad.

In what way is Long more worthy of a 6-8million price tag?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: collins101 on July 31, 2011, 05:41:53 PM
United will loan out 1 of macheda, diouf or welbeck and I wouldn't mind any of them as back up ! Id still prefer Cole over long and Campbell as first choice.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: johnwilliamso20 on July 31, 2011, 05:56:23 PM
United will loan out 1 of macheda, diouf or welbeck and I wouldn't mind any of them as back up ! Id still prefer Cole over long and Campbell as first choice.

I'd take Welbeck but doubt it would ever happen.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MarkW on July 31, 2011, 05:58:40 PM
Still not convinced about his goalscoring record. He's only 24 so he might get better, but people wanted a GK that could perform now instead of one still learning, so I'm not sure they'd have a different attitude to striker.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 31, 2011, 06:05:25 PM
Welbeck is a better striker than Long; I'm sure I read somewhere that manure didn't want to let him leave on loan this season, though. Still worth an enquiry mind.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on July 31, 2011, 06:24:14 PM
Ferguson says welbeck is part of his plans

Dont see how ..
Hernandez and Rooney will start .. Then you have berbatov staying, and owen been told he'll get more games .. Ferguson should keep Diouf as 5th choice

Loan out welbeck and macheda, so those two can replace owen and berbatov
Who will be out of contract in a season ..

Macheda would do more than bednar or miller .. We'll always create
Chances, we need someone who can finish
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2011, 06:26:55 PM
DJ 2 Million tops
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 31, 2011, 06:39:13 PM
Macheda got 0 in 14 on loan last season, he's really not that good. A couple of goals when he was 17 mask the perception of him, in reality he's not progressed at all and hasn't looked very good for Man U. Certainly nothing to suggest he would do any good here.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: collins101 on July 31, 2011, 06:45:14 PM
To be fair that was in a very poor Sampdoria side who were relegated after selling half there team.. He's scored a couple in pre season and were both good finishes
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2011, 06:55:57 PM
Macheda got 0 in 14 on loan last season, he's really not that good. A couple of goals when he was 17 mask the perception of him, in reality he's not progressed at all and hasn't looked very good for Man U. Certainly nothing to suggest he would do any good here.


Total waste of space in a 25 man squad
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 31, 2011, 08:43:41 PM
DJ 2 Million tops

He's got a release clause of 1.4 million or something around that mark.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2011, 08:44:37 PM
He's got a release clause of 1.4 million or something around that mark.


Thats why he is worth a punt
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aztech on July 31, 2011, 08:50:21 PM

Thats why he is worth a punt

In my opinion 1.4 million for DJ Campbell would be a waste of money, he is not an improvement on the likes of Fortune, bender Miller etc
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 31, 2011, 08:54:50 PM
In my opinion 1.4 million for DJ Campbell would be a waste of money, he is not an improvement on the likes of Fortune, bender Miller etc

Campbell has, and will score goals to be fair. Bednar Miller & Fortune' wont. So id say he would be an improvement. Id take him as back up.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aztech on July 31, 2011, 08:57:55 PM
Campbell has, and will score goals to be fair. Bednar Miller & Fortune' wont. So id say he would be an improvement. Id take him as back up.

Campbell has had one good season last year, playing in a team who's philosophy was all out attack.

In my opinion the likes of Bednar would have been just as effective.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 31, 2011, 09:00:59 PM
Campbell has had one good season last year, playing in a team who's philosophy was all out attack.

In my opinion the likes of Bednar would have been just as effective.

I dunno, Campbell has the movement and pace that Bednar doesn't
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2011, 09:16:35 PM
In my opinion 1.4 million for DJ Campbell would be a waste of money, he is not an improvement on the likes of Fortune, bender Miller etc

I would rather spend 1.something million on DJ than 5 million plus on Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 31, 2011, 09:25:39 PM
I would rather spend 1.something million on DJ than 5 million plus on Long

Then plenty of people moan that we have tried to strengthen on the cheap, club can't win. I would complain if we signed DJ as I think he's a terrible player, with Long I think he would be worth a punt if a deal is structured in the right way so that he has to do well for us to cost us so much money.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on July 31, 2011, 09:27:50 PM
Then plenty of people moan that we have tried to strengthen on the cheap, club can't win. I would complain if we signed DJ as I think he's a terrible player, with Long I think he would be worth a punt if a deal is structured in the right way so that he has to do well for us to cost us so much money.

Interesting way of looking at it
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aztech on July 31, 2011, 09:29:04 PM
Then plenty of people moan that we have tried to strengthen on the cheap, club can't win. I would complain if we signed DJ as I think he's a terrible player, with Long I think he would be worth a punt if a deal is structured in the right way so that he has to do well for us to cost us so much money.

Totally Agree.

I cannot believe that as a club we would pay 5 million up front for Shane Long!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on July 31, 2011, 10:15:07 PM
To be fair that was in a very poor Sampdoria side who were relegated after selling half there team.. He's scored a couple in pre season and were both good finishes

Vela scores tons in pre-season but never does it in the league.

Anyway, surely him failing to stand out at all in a poor team shows he's not very good.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on July 31, 2011, 11:05:10 PM
SORRY but I thought this thread was about Shane Long???

I wouldnt sign him, not good enough IMO!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 01, 2011, 07:07:18 PM
No way will we just be chasing Shane Long , there will be a long list of targets some of which will fall of or be massively priced out and then its a process of illimination .
At the moment I think its fair to say they will still be tracking at least 5 options one may be Long , I wouldn't be to surprised to see a list like
Long
Vela
Webo
Toivoinon
Sturridge
Jerome (sorry)
Campbell
And if we are to pay a wack it could be the bluenose, Vela or the dutch guy...or Shane Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 02, 2011, 01:56:45 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 02, 2011, 09:09:55 AM
Leicester city want him now according to reading fc version of CL.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on August 02, 2011, 09:13:03 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2011, 09:29:17 AM
Leicester city want him now according to reading fc version of CL.

They were said to be in for him late last week the only thing that is new is that Sven has confirmed their interest. We will be playing a waiting game for Long hoping the price drops as the window gets closer to closing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dangerman on August 02, 2011, 09:55:30 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on August 02, 2011, 09:56:14 AM
Quote
They were said to be in for him late last week the only thing that is new is that Sven has confirmed their interest. We will be playing a waiting game for Long hoping the price drops as the window gets closer to closing.

With all this overt public interest from a number of clubs, it's possible that his price won't drop all that much.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2011, 10:12:40 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on August 02, 2011, 10:35:54 AM
I think we'll move on from him at the prices stated.  Just cant see us spending that kind of money on a unproven player whose contract has a year left to run.

If no one else comes in for him it could be done at the 11th hour for a knockdown price so I expect this may drag on.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on August 02, 2011, 10:53:21 AM
I really don't think they'll budge much on the price. Tey have said they don't want to sell him and will risk losing him next season on a free. I think they have a goo chance of promotion themselves. I'd hope we are looking elsewhere and not putting all of our efforts into this one.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2011, 11:15:05 AM
I really don't think they'll budge much on the price. Tey have said they don't want to sell him and will risk losing him next season on a free. I think they have a goo chance of promotion themselves. I'd hope we are looking elsewhere and not putting all of our efforts into this one.

Did you expect them to say they will let him go cheaper if clubs wait a bit longer? Its all posturing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 02, 2011, 11:25:56 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 02, 2011, 11:33:41 AM
Who knows what West Ham actually offered? It could have been just a few million up front with the rest made up in clauses and not whatever was reported all in cash.

At the moment we are all just making assumptions.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on August 02, 2011, 11:53:56 AM
Interesting stuff coming from the Sky Sports Transfer Clockwatch:

News: Leicester City manager Sven Goran Eriksson is continuing his quest to sign a new striker and admits Reading's Shane Long is on his list of targets. However, he believes a deal would be difficult and feels Long is likely to move to the Premier League.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 02, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
We will sign him last week of window around 4-5m I reckon, possibility with a player going the other way.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbatesy on August 02, 2011, 11:58:34 AM
We will sign him last week of window around 4-5m I reckon, possibility with a player going the other way.

Miller or Bednar would fit in nicely.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on August 02, 2011, 12:15:39 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on August 02, 2011, 04:50:33 PM
Problem is, who is available?

Off the top of my head I cannot think of anyone for that price.



That's the key though, our transfer policy shouldn't be "off the top of our heads".

I'm not saying it is, but we have an international scouting network that I don't think we have exploited enough this summer. I can see why Long is attractive but at the prices that are quoted around the 7-8 million mark and with his wage demands surely being at least 1 million a year I think we are throwing too much money at a player being signed because he is a domestic option.

There are lots of players available around the world, we just have to find them. If Long was available at the right price then I can understand the gamble (and he is a gamble) but I dont see us paying the amount they want and the wages he would demand so hopefully we have a good back up option we are working on lined up.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 02, 2011, 05:13:12 PM
at anywhere north of 4m long is a bad deal.
cant believe we're not looking at maynard, better GS record and half the price. surely 3m plus bednar/miller for a season would get him
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on August 02, 2011, 07:06:28 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on August 02, 2011, 07:15:09 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on August 03, 2011, 11:06:17 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 03, 2011, 11:12:08 AM
If Leicester City have a bid accepted by Reading, I honestly don't think Shane Long will turn down the wages he would be offered by them. It is also looking fairly likely that Leicester will get promoted after some of the signings they have made, so Long may like the idea of being involved in a promotion push.

Unless someone makes a very large offer, I can see this being one transfer which drags on into the final week or two of the transfer window. There is no doubt that we should have the advantage seeing as we play in the Premier League, but I can't see us matching the personal terms Leicester would be able to offer him unfortunately.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on August 03, 2011, 11:14:38 AM
Noway should we match Leicester's offer of 7 mill. I keep saying it, but there are far better options out there who would represent better value for money.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on August 03, 2011, 11:18:11 AM
Noway should we match Leicester's offer of 7 mill. I keep saying it, but there are far better options out there who would represent better value for money.

I agree totally. I'd rather we were in for a striker who has Premiership experience. Saying that if he's the main man Roy has targeted then should we be backing his judgement? After all we haven't really spent any money yet. Sometimes you do have to pay a little over the odds to get what you really want.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on August 03, 2011, 11:21:15 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 03, 2011, 01:48:30 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1968-Tim on August 03, 2011, 02:07:33 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: hardtobeat on August 03, 2011, 02:49:50 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 03, 2011, 03:01:52 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 03, 2011, 03:06:36 PM
Please dont pay 7 million on Long, Albion.Go get DJ for 2 mill tops and he has proved he can score and put himself about in this league.
Long will do ok at Leicester because he is in a different league
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on August 03, 2011, 03:21:56 PM
I'd rather have Jerome than Long, would be a lot cheaper and probably of the same quality. Said it before, let him go to West Ham or Leicester, the sooner the better imo as we can look at others.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 03, 2011, 04:18:08 PM
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Post by: DaveWBA on August 03, 2011, 04:22:26 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on August 03, 2011, 04:39:03 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 03, 2011, 04:54:24 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 03, 2011, 04:54:46 PM
He has said he would be interested in joining West Ham, so that premiership only line is null and void really, he will go where the money is, simples!

As for DJ signing for QPR already, I had jumped the gun, apologies. You are correct he has not signed yet.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 03, 2011, 04:56:02 PM
He has said he would be interested in joining West Ham, so that premiership only line is null and void really, he will go where the money is, simples!

As for DJ signing for QPR already, I had jumped the gun, apologies. You are correct he has not signed yet.

Reading have said they are not keen on selling him to a rival champ club, not Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on August 03, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Just confirmed by Reading local paper, there has been no bid from Leicester City.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 03, 2011, 05:12:39 PM
We will just wait it out until the final week of the window when the pressure is on Reading. If it gets to that point Reading will lower their demands.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on August 03, 2011, 05:34:48 PM
I personally just don't see it happening. At the moment no bid is official but I dont buy what reading are saying about turning down bids from championship clubs.

People in the respective local medias have said they still think a prem team is favourite and the same goes for Sven but I just dont see us bidding crazy money like that and most likely a club like Newcastle will be the only prem team prepared to throw silly money around.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 03, 2011, 05:44:20 PM
I personally just don't see it happening. At the moment no bid is official but I dont buy what reading are saying about turning down bids from championship clubs.

People in the respective local medias have said they still think a prem team is favourite and the same goes for Sven but I just dont see us bidding crazy money like that and most likely a club like Newcastle will be the only prem team prepared to throw silly money around.

They are not keen on selling to a championship club, obviously they will accept a bid if it matches there valuation. There valuation will decrease the closer we get to the end of the window, that's when I think our chance to sign him will be. It will not be crazy money by the end of the window comes, it will be more a realistic figure.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bongodaddy on August 03, 2011, 06:24:50 PM
i'd just as soon forget about this deal and spend the money on a decent centre-half.

anyway, i'd much rather see simon cox get a run in the side than bring in an over-priced signing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 03, 2011, 08:26:50 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on August 04, 2011, 12:24:11 AM
Word on a couple of Leicester forums that they're very close to signing him, bull or not it shows they're throwing some big money around, and perhaps stopping us from getting him for a lower price later on in the window.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on August 04, 2011, 12:25:20 AM
Let them, absoloutly ridiculous price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on August 04, 2011, 12:27:43 AM
Maybe, but that's the going rate for strikers at the moment. Hopefully he turns out **** and we'll have dodged another bullet like Carew...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 04, 2011, 01:01:13 AM
Maybe, but that's the going rate for strikers at the moment. Hopefully he turns out poo and we'll have dodged another bullet like Carew...

I can't think of any other striker who's gone for 7m from the championship, certainly none with only a year left on their deal.

He scored less goals, and had the same number of assists as Graham who cost half as much. I could understand if he was particularly young, or had proven premier league performances behind him, but for someone with one good season beyond their back i'd be concerned if we spent that much.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on August 04, 2011, 01:15:30 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 04, 2011, 01:27:17 AM
They all had premier league experience though, and in the case of Doyle and Tuncay, both did well when they were in the premier league. Kamara was terrible value, and a great sale for the club, rather than a standard fee. Much like getting 4-5m for Greening isn't a standard fee for midfielders in their early 30's who've been relegated to the championship.

Long meanwhile has one good season behind him in the championship, a league notorious for the amount of strikers who fail to step up. Worth a gamble at around 4m perhaps, but 7m (apparently possibly more) for a 24 year old with a year left on his deal is shocking value. Adam Johnson only cost that and he was on his way to being an England international! You pay 7m+ for a championship player and you expect either huge potential, or a proven track record. Long has neither.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on August 04, 2011, 01:43:58 AM
They all had premier league experience though, and in the case of Doyle and Tuncay, both did well when they were in the premier league. Kamara was terrible value, and a great sale for the club, rather than a standard fee. Much like getting 4-5m for Greening isn't a standard fee for midfielders in their early 30's who've been relegated to the championship.

Long meanwhile has one good season behind him in the championship, a league notorious for the amount of strikers who fail to step up. Worth a gamble at around 4m perhaps, but 7m (apparently possibly more) for a 24 year old with a year left on his deal is shocking value. Adam Johnson only cost that and he was on his way to being an England international! You pay 7m+ for a championship player and you expect either huge potential, or a proven track record. Long has neither.
Very true but when Hodgson and Erickson, two of the world's most experienced managers value a player this much surely there's something to him, I admit the fee is high and definitely a gamble ( One which i'd predict we won't take) but anyway a player should be judged on more than a goal scoring record especially when he is still young like Long. People go on about Danny Graham on here, yet let's be honest most of us on here wont have seen him play bar highlights. Yes he scored more than long, but DJ campbell scored more than Rooney and Drogba, is he a better player? No.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: danwatson on August 04, 2011, 09:58:11 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11712_7079759,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,11712_7079759,00.html)

Not a done deal to Leicester by any means...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: cobby on August 04, 2011, 10:12:25 AM
I hope he goes to leciester really do not worth 8m

We can attract better than him and if City are willing to pay 7-8m then let them, Would love us to have a punt on Kenewyne Jones
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 04, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
I hope he goes to leciester really do not worth 8m

We can attract better than him and if City are willing to pay 7-8m then let them, Would love us to have a punt on Kenewyne Jones

For one he is worth what someone is ultimately willing to pay, the price will come down towards the end of the window as Reading have made it clear they don't want to sell to a Championship rival so it is all a case of clubs posturing at the moment as clubs know they need to sell or he leaves for nothing next season. Championship clubs would offer more than Premier League clubs as it is the only chance they have to get him if they pay well over the odds when Premier League clubs are interested, they either accept them and strengthen direct rivals or let him go to less to a club in a different league.

As for Jones we wont go for him because Stoke don't want to sell and then add the hefty fee which will be more than Long but more importantly the big wages he is on mean it simply wont happen.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 04, 2011, 10:46:53 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mike on August 04, 2011, 11:46:03 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 04, 2011, 11:57:08 AM
Sell 2 strikers on the last day, bring no one in and get relegated? You mean like MAF, Miller or Bednar? Who contributed sweet fanny adams last season? Suddenly losing them would massively alter the number of goals we require to stop up?!

Yeah, I can see your point.  ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on August 04, 2011, 12:41:38 PM
I heard Brian McDermott tell talksport - they havent recieved any offical bids from any clubs. He practically went onto say they would only sell to a premier league club.

I think our only hope of securing this deal is by using some of our existing players as make weights. :-*
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on August 04, 2011, 01:00:12 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on August 04, 2011, 01:59:20 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on August 04, 2011, 02:17:01 PM
If any other premier league club want him were finished.


Then so be it  ;) move on
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 04, 2011, 04:51:52 PM

Then so be it  ;) move on

I agree, i dont think he'd cut it in the prem anyways so i wouldnt be too dissappointed. Hopefully i'll be proven wrong and we'll get him cheap(ish) and he'll score 10+ goals. But i really dont see it happening  ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on August 05, 2011, 02:15:31 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 05, 2011, 02:32:42 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 05, 2011, 02:34:26 AM
I doubt there's anything in the Mouche link, but I thought players of nations above 70 in the world rankings didn't require work permits?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 05, 2011, 02:40:30 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2011, 08:39:52 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 05, 2011, 09:25:25 AM
How much did he get Fulham to pay us for Greening and Kamara again?

Also when he was at Liverpool how much did he spend on Aquilani? Not to mention Poulsen and Konchesky.

I'd keep the transfer kitty away from Roy and have him concentrate on the football side of things. Let Dan Ashworth take care of the identifying suitable players.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 05, 2011, 09:32:38 AM
I doubt Roy had anything to do with those deals except to identify them as players he wanted, it is up to the money men at the club to decide what they think they are worth.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 05, 2011, 09:38:47 AM
Which is why we won't be spending the prices quoted so far for Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: monkey nuts on August 05, 2011, 10:19:52 AM
i don't think he bought Aquilani wasn't it Benitez
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 05, 2011, 10:58:21 AM
Yeah it was. My bad. I got the year wrong. Roy joined Liverpool on 1st July 2010. Aquilani signed in August 2009.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: number69 on August 05, 2011, 11:05:05 AM
Sanchez signed Kamara.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: JDWest_Brom on August 05, 2011, 02:17:23 PM
I give up. Has Roy hodgson actually signed anybody anywhere ever?  :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MarkW on August 05, 2011, 02:21:23 PM
He signed Hangelaand. If we could get CB of his quality I would be very happy
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on August 05, 2011, 03:42:34 PM
Did he sign Joe Cole?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 05, 2011, 04:00:22 PM
Did he sign Joe Cole?

I believe he did but lets try and keep it to the topic of Shane Long from here on out.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on August 05, 2011, 04:00:47 PM
I think something has to happen with long in the next week really. Mcdermott is starting to say he doesnt want it to drag on too long and seems to hint they will need to bring in another striker. To do that they need to break the stalemate and that means lowering the bid. The talk from Readings end is still that it is premier league or run down contract but we will see. personally, I think Newcastle or Everton will come in as well as us once the price comes down. Eventually, somebody will offer 5 million and it will be accepted.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on August 05, 2011, 05:41:13 PM
well miller looks like hes surplus to our requirements so offer him and two million good deal for both teams.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on August 05, 2011, 05:59:56 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 05, 2011, 06:17:55 PM
well miller looks like hes surplus to our requirements so offer him and two million good deal for both teams.
I dont think they would see that has a good deal , for what its worth I think long is ok but not worth 4m+ so I would hope the club would be now using this has a smokescreen and someone else is very clos to signing.
I would assume we are in advanced negotiations for at least 2 based on the fact that pete coul choose not to sign / get a good offer and miller bednar ???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 05, 2011, 06:20:05 PM
I have a feeling we will get him for nowhere near the 8mil.....Been speaking to a Reading itk about this and he rekons the same.....So watch this space!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kendover on August 05, 2011, 10:00:20 PM
Some bloke on twitter 'inthecut' has just said that wolves now leading race for Long. First time heard them mentioned
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 05, 2011, 11:08:36 PM
Some bloke on twitter 'inthecut' has just said that wolves now leading race for Long. First time heard them mentioned
Apparently that bloke has been wrong on many occasions and is one of the biggest culprits of talking ******** on twitter.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on August 06, 2011, 12:15:46 AM
Some bloke on twitter 'inthecut' has just said that wolves now leading race for Long. First time heard them mentioned

All rivalries aside it would be highly illogical for Wolves to move for Long. They already have 3 top priority strikes in Doyle, Fletcher and Ebanks-Blake and then subs and attacking midfielders to step up if needed. It would be silly for them to go after Long but it is Mick after all!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 06, 2011, 11:46:02 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 06, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Perrybarrbaggy on August 06, 2011, 04:04:48 PM
I'd spend like 4million with 1million added if we stay up, 1millioj for 10 goals, anothee million if he scores 10 more or somethin like that

I'd be happier getting long if we bought in someone else aswell , eg carew
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on August 06, 2011, 05:59:57 PM
Said on Soccer Saturday today that he didn't look anywhere near an 8 mill player... I'm really undecided on him, he could be an expensive flop or a superb buy it's too close to call.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 06, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Said on Soccer Saturday today that he didn't look anywhere near an 8 mill player... I'm really undecided on him, he could be an expensive flop or a superb buy it's too close to call.

He's not that's why!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on August 06, 2011, 06:24:35 PM
I think that if you had a poll today amongst all genuine Albion fans then it would be 50-50 on whether Long would potentially be a good buy or not. From what I have read on fans' websites they would prefer someone who has proved himself at a higher level.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 06, 2011, 06:28:17 PM
I think that if you had a poll today amongst all genuine Albion fans then it would be 50-50 on whether Long would potentially be a good buy or not. From what I have read on fans' websites they would prefer someone who has proved himself at a higher level.

We all probably would but proven players don't just cost in terms of fee but often with big wages too, I think we will go one route or the other and not both with players. I'm happy enough to take a punt on him as long as we don't pay much, if any more than Swansea did up front for Danny Graham probably with clauses that will reward them if he is a success here.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tucka9 on August 06, 2011, 06:30:18 PM
Spoke to a Reading fan i know and everyone in their ground today we're saying it was Shane Long's last game for them, aparently he stayed out after the final whistle clapping all 4 sides of the ground.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 06, 2011, 06:35:31 PM
I think we may find out more in the next couple of days, probably never played well because he knows he off to join us perhaps or West Ham or even Leicester . At the moment i got a feeling he will join us  before the Man United game.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on August 06, 2011, 06:43:45 PM
We're all led to believe he's Roy's number one target through the media and words Roy has said in interviews. We're either going to pay what Reading want for him or Roy's got someone we know nothing about lined up.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 06, 2011, 06:53:20 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 06, 2011, 07:01:21 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on August 06, 2011, 07:22:25 PM
This week would be the ideal time to sign him, he's had a competitive game and can slot in if Odemwingie is still injured on the first day. Reading have a cup game on Tuesday as well if we wanted him to have another match.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on August 06, 2011, 07:31:07 PM
Personally I'd rather see us go for someone from a foreign league like we did with Odemwingie, I know it doesn't guarantee success and goals but neither does Shane Long. Just hope we don't pay more than 4 mil for him too...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 06, 2011, 07:39:59 PM
Why is everyone worried about us paying over the odds?

I think we can rest assured that Jezza will not pay a penny more for Long (or anyone else) than we absolutely have to.

And whoever he signs we may be pleasantly surprised at how good a deal JP gets.

Surely even his biggest critics on here would agree that on this one we can trust Jezza.

The bigger concern is whether this is the right player. And on that we have to trust DA and RH.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion79 on August 06, 2011, 09:03:24 PM
I am not overly excited about signing Long but if he comes he will certainly get my full support, i think similar to Fulop, Jones, McAuley he will be brought in to do a job, just because there is not some media circus behind our signings or some huge international names this summer like maybe we were expecting/hoping (myself included) it can sometimes feel a bit underwhelming but Ashworth and Roy have made a good job so far so what they choose to do is fine by me.

Although a bit hit and miss previous I think he had an excellent year last season and some players take a bit longer to make there breakthrough, to get 20 plus goals at championship level is not to be sniffed at and the type of player he seems to be and the way we play i have no doubt we will create chances for him, lets hope if he signs he is good enough to bury them.

For what is worth i would rather have Long than say Carew, although they are different types of players i think Long would have a point to prove, ie - he is prem class where as say a Carew would see it as another payday.

And regarding the fee, this is Jeremy they are dealing with, i dont think the transfer fees could be in safer hands, the deal will probably work out that they end up owing us money after a year!

People may think Reading want too much but he is there prize asset and they dont want to sell, same as if we went down and teams would want say Odemwingie we would try and milk every penny til the last moment and thats what Reading will do.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2011, 09:06:36 PM
He aint coming here and i am so glad of it too.I hope he Goes to the Dingles Fit in well there with Irish blood.

Oh we desperately need a striker though ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 06, 2011, 09:10:47 PM
Bolton are keen on him , according to rumours,if they do make a bid then am sure we can compete with bloody bolton lol
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 06, 2011, 09:22:38 PM
The last thing I would want is Long playing football for his current club IF we have made serious interest/bids as he may get injured and then he would be useless!

Im not sure it sounds to me like a good cover story and we are more interested in Kenwyn Jones (I hope)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 06, 2011, 09:23:10 PM
I hope we don't get him to be perfectly honest. Brian Ruiz for me would be the signing of a lifetime and even at 10-12 million, we'd double our money after a season. Shane Long is a decent player but that's about it, he's just decent. Surely we can spend a big chunk on a world class star with the lack of transfer fees this year.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2011, 08:08:45 AM
The last thing I would want is Long playing football for his current club IF we have made serious interest/bids as he may get injured and then he would be useless!

Im not sure it sounds to me like a good cover story and we are more interested in Kenwyn Jones (I hope)

Come on ay, lets be realistic
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 15.SUPERJOE on August 07, 2011, 11:10:54 AM
He aint coming here

On what knowledge? Are you so sure...?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mulumbu99 on August 07, 2011, 11:17:43 AM
properly got the info from the moose  ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggy nerd on August 07, 2011, 11:25:54 AM
I don't think Long is a lot better than what we've got so 10 million out of the question. I think we've probably got 4 or 5 million to spend anyway.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 15.SUPERJOE on August 07, 2011, 12:38:14 PM
properly got the info from the moose  ::)

From the Mooses somewhere by the sounds of it. Long will be in stripes by August 31st.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 07, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
From the Mooses somewhere by the sounds of it. Long will be in stripes by August 31st.

The stripes of Newcastle? ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2011, 01:42:18 PM
On what knowledge? Are you so sure...?

I know someone who has contact with Brian McDermot i can assure you he wont be coming to West Brom and i for one will be very happy indeed
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Smooth Lad on August 07, 2011, 01:50:49 PM
I know someone who has contact with Brian McDermot i can assure you he wont be coming to West Brom and i for one will be very happy indeed

Well in that case, lock the thread then.  ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: elminius on August 07, 2011, 01:55:51 PM
I know someone who has contact with Brian McDermot i can assure you he wont be coming to West Brom and i for one will be very happy indeed

If you are right then I for one two!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2011, 02:01:18 PM
Well in that case, lock the thread then.  ::)


If i had the power this would have been introduced to the delete bin ages ago
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 07, 2011, 02:06:31 PM
Got to the stage now where I couldn't really care less whether we sign him or not.

Just hope this isn't a case of putting all our eggs in one basket then ending up with nobody come September 1st.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2011, 02:32:44 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 07, 2011, 04:02:43 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 07, 2011, 05:33:11 PM
Even more important now that Odem is going to be out with an ankle injury.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on August 07, 2011, 05:41:56 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 07, 2011, 05:43:08 PM
I see a 5 million bid being on readings table when Miller joins Forrest
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 07, 2011, 05:46:50 PM
I know someone who has contact with Brian McDermot i can assure you he wont be coming to West Brom and i for one will be very happy indeed

Why though? You moan we aren't signing strikers yet you'll be happy when we don't get what appears to be our long term target. I find it more strange you would of preffered DJ Campbell ahead of him when in my opinion, from what I've saw, Shane Long is a much better all round player.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on August 07, 2011, 05:48:17 PM
Honestly, I would prefer to keep Miller over Long and Fortune.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albiongrace on August 07, 2011, 06:06:03 PM
are you takin the p**s, miller is so one footed it's unbelievable. Long would be a major improvement! sign him up asap
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on August 07, 2011, 06:10:31 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 07, 2011, 06:11:10 PM
Long would be a great signing , get him now so he can play against Man U ;D  actually reminds me of odemwingie , very quick, makes good runs and good composure, yes it may be in the championship but if we give him a chance and he performs well then we could have a very good player on our hands.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpa7A3JTR30&feature=related  season review of him, his link up play looks good
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: yetik55 on August 07, 2011, 06:17:31 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 07, 2011, 06:25:40 PM
He has strongly been linked with Leicester and west ham who promotion is the only acceptable conclusion to the season. Also I've seen, all be it weaker, links to Newcastle and the dingles. Basically we've got to trust the judgement of our scouts and management. PO wasn't linked with anyone last summer but he turned out ok.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 12:00:59 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/Ciaran_O   according to this guy he will be our player by tuesday,  he is a irish sports writer

(edit) although CL has said nothing is close, going to  be a interesting few days  8)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rockyoc on August 08, 2011, 12:04:33 AM
Judging from some of the comments on here I've got to question how many people have actually watched Long play and how many are basing their opinions on the fact he plays for Reading in the Championship and before last season has never really shone.  Though 44 goals in 95 starts says he has a pretty good record to me.  4 goals at international level as well.  Odemwingie has hardly been the most prolific striker in his career yet fans weren't complaining about him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2011, 12:07:07 AM
Odemwingie was proven at a considerably higher level though (it was his champions league form that him his 14m move) and obviously had potential, plus he was never really a out and out striker before joining us.

That, and he was considerably cheaper than the quoted prices for Long, although I remain confident we'll get him for a decent price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Andio on August 08, 2011, 12:07:25 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/Ciaran_O   according to this guy he will be our player by tuesday,  he is a irish sports writer

(edit) although CL has said nothing is close, going to  be a interesting few days  8)

Also read the Dean Kiely twitter thread & somebody said Deano said a striker was imminent.

Would tie in with this tweet above.

Let's just wait & see, as you said, will be an interesting few days.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 08, 2011, 12:21:26 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/Ciaran_O   according to this guy he will be our player by tuesday,  he is a irish sports writer

(edit) although CL has said nothing is close, going to  be a interesting few days  8)
That's just his guess really. What I do find interesting though is that he said that he's meeting with us for talks tomorrow.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on August 08, 2011, 12:45:48 AM
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Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2011, 12:58:32 AM
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Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2011, 05:20:38 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 08, 2011, 09:04:32 AM
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Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 09:10:17 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 08, 2011, 09:16:00 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 08, 2011, 10:05:03 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if we considered making an offer for Shane Long this week, especially with the Premier League season starting in just six days time and Ishmael Miller on his way out of the club.

I personally think that Long would be a decent signing if we are able to sign him and seeing as Roy Hodgson appears to rate him so highly, I think we should trust his judgement on this one.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2011, 10:18:28 AM
Has he been called up for the national team for this week? If he has then the story would have broken properly by now I would have thought if he was due for talks with us as he'd need to get permission to link up with his country late.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:20:04 AM
Only a rumour mentioned by someone elsewhere, but the Long deal could involve a certain former Reading youth player that we have on our books going the other way.

I truly hope that isn't the case.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2011, 10:21:20 AM
Ignore my previous post, obviously would explain the Irish journo mentioning it on Twitter, only just read the thread back.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 08, 2011, 10:26:30 AM
Only a rumour mentioned by someone elsewhere, but the Long deal could involve a certain former Reading youth player that we have on our books going the other way.

I truly hope that isn't the case.

Simon Cox?

Would be gutted if this was the case, as he could play a big role this season if given the chance.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:28:07 AM
Yep.

It's only a rumour, mind.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 08, 2011, 10:28:10 AM
http://www.joe.ie/football/football-news/shane-long-set-to-join-west-brom-later-today-report-0014742-1

Somebody has just posted the above link on Twitter.

Never heard of this source before, so I'm not sure whether there is any truth in it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:32:49 AM
No news yet as to whether he has landed at training ground, but keeping ears open.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on August 08, 2011, 10:38:25 AM
I would be livid if Cox went the other way >:(
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:43:49 AM
I would be livid if Cox went the other way >:(

You and me both.

Mind, Coxy did cut his teeth in league one, Long got his goals mainly in the Championship. I am a big fan of Coxy, but when all is said and done, perhaps the club think Long has more goals in him?

Who knows. But like you JR, I wouldn't be happy with Cox being sent the other way, as the kid clearly wants to be a success here, and is one of the hardest workers in the squad. And unlike some, he has the talent to carry it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on August 08, 2011, 10:46:23 AM
I think once the Miller deal is done and dusted then we will firm up our interest in Long. I think it is a case of cautious Mr P making sure that his wage bill doesn't escalate.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:48:14 AM
I think once the Miller deal is done and dusted then we will firm up our interest in Long. I think it is a case of cautious Mr P making sure that his wage bill doesn't escalate.

As long as Miller passes his medical today, he'll be gone by Wednesday.

I'd put a quid on Long signing by Friday, even though I thought it would drag until end of August.

But that's just me. Don't go risking your quids and then come crying to me!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbatesy on August 08, 2011, 10:51:42 AM
I have no issue with Cox going the other way; whatever it takes to get a goalscorer in. No point in being nicey nicey to players who haven't cut it at any stage or level that we've played at (minus a few goals this pre-season).

Yes, he works hard but we need more than that. If Odemwingie was out for 6 months, could we rely on Cox to get 10+ goals? I'm not convinced and the stats sadly back it up. We need someone who can (or at least someone who Roy believes can) and if that means losing a trier, then so be it.

Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather see Bednar/MAF leave over Cox but if it is a deal breaker, then we have to be shrewd.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 08, 2011, 10:56:19 AM
The Reading equivalent of Chris Lepkowski (basically a journalist who knows what is going on) has just posted this link on Twitter.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/readingfc/s/2097670_reading_fc_striker_on_the_verge_of_6million_move_to_west_brom

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 08, 2011, 10:57:38 AM
As long as Miller passes his medical today, he'll be gone by Wednesday.

I'd put a quid on Long signing by Friday, even though I thought it would drag until end of August.

But that's just me. Don't go risking your quids and then come crying to me!

Not one of the great gamblers, a quid, not a great spender either :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on August 08, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
I think Cox and Long together would work well.I am sure Trapotoni would love this combination too
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 10:59:36 AM
he could be a baggie today according to that reading journalist :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on August 08, 2011, 11:00:12 AM
Not too fussed about Cox going the other way, he's a good lad and he works hard but he won't get a look in anyway if Long arrives, certainly not in midfield with all our attacking options. With PO, ShLong and maybe even Tchoyi in front of him up front we may as well use him to get the ShLong deal done.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on August 08, 2011, 11:01:24 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on August 08, 2011, 11:06:20 AM
Players away on international duties so i can see any developments until after Wed if any
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 11:10:14 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie-boy-ethan on August 08, 2011, 11:11:59 AM
briandick Brian Dick
Long's representative writes a column for Irish Daily Star - the source of reports he will sign for #wba today. #thisonelooksadoozy

From the person standing in for CL today on twitter..
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dubliner on August 08, 2011, 11:32:13 AM
The Irish Daily Star piece is not by a representative of Long, it's by Mark McCadden their main football correspondent. He's a pretty reliable source.

As for Long, he's a class act with a big future ahead of him. Comparing him  to the likes of Danny Graham is laughable. IMO he's easily good enough for the Premier but time will tell.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2011, 11:37:47 AM
JonnyFordham Jonny Fordham
The Shane Long to #wba deal will not include Simon Cox coming the other way and back to #readingfc
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 08, 2011, 11:39:24 AM
So this is what Dean Kiely must have been referring to on the tweet that got quickly deleted.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on August 08, 2011, 11:40:14 AM
So this is what Dean Kiely must have been referring to on the tweet that got quickly deleted.
What did Deano say? :\
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 11:41:33 AM
What did Deano say? :\

He said a striker deal was iminient.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2011, 11:50:32 AM
stevemadeley Steve Madeley
Can confirm #wba are in talks with Shane Long and are close to agreeing fee. More to follow once print deadlines are gone.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 08, 2011, 12:06:47 PM
What does print deadlines are gone mean ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 12:08:38 PM
why does CL always go on holiday when a transfer seems to happen ::) :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2011, 12:10:15 PM
why does CL always go on holiday when a transfer seems to happen ::) :D
He should have more holidays then!!  :D

Wonder if this will alert any potential premiership bidders to take a punt on him and pinch him from under our noses??
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 12:10:29 PM
What does print deadlines are gone mean ?

Journo, ay he. They have deadlines to get certain stuff to print.

One he's done that, he'll  be able to look into the story a bit more.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 15.SUPERJOE on August 08, 2011, 12:11:28 PM
What does print deadlines are gone mean ?

Deadlines that stories have to be done by. At the Brummie Mail, they'll be working on tomorrows edition probably up until 6/7pm.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2011, 12:14:06 PM
What does print deadlines are gone mean ?
They won't reveal anything on Twitter etc until it appears in the paper, unless it becomes public knowledge elsewhere. Therefore, once the print deadline has been reached for a particular paper, nothing will appear until that paper's next print run.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 08, 2011, 12:20:35 PM
If this goes through, we still need another quality striker brought in, (loan possibly) in my humble opinion. We really could do with a big targetman type striker to give us extra options. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 12:22:43 PM
Fee has been agreed
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on August 08, 2011, 12:29:27 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on August 08, 2011, 12:29:57 PM
Panic buy according to the Dingles ;D
Go see them talking about it on the Mix, overrated and appalling some of the comments.Jealous bunch really ay they
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on August 08, 2011, 12:31:20 PM
Panic buy according to the Dingles ;D

Panic buy??? We've been linked with him for weeks! Muppets
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 12:34:42 PM
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=62271   mate just me this link , the dingles think he is a panic buy even though we have been looking at him all summer :-X, and they say odemwingie and Long are both 1 season wonders, jelous much  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mike on August 08, 2011, 12:41:50 PM
http://www.molineuxmix.co.uk/vb/showthread.php?t=62271   mate just me this link , the dingles think he is a panic buy even though we have been looking at him all summer :-X, and they say odemwingie and Long are both 1 season wonders, jelous much  :D

In Fairness, many took the **** when wolves paid 7million for Fletcher, who is/was more experienced.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on August 08, 2011, 12:51:37 PM
Pleased if we can actually get it sorted soon. People have been crying out for a decent bakc up for Pete and it seems Long can play this role and knows where the net is. He was always superb against us whenever we pleyed them and looked the part against Cardiff in the Play-Offs.
We can hardly do better than adding one of the best strikers in the Championship that is still young enough to continue to improve.
One concern might be the Albion crowd who will expect miracles from day one and might not let him settle due to the big fee we will have to pay to get him.

Not too pleased if we let Cox - a player who seemed to improve in the last quarter and, whilst not a first team regular, a decent squad player compared to the likes of Miller and Bednar.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: sammyg on August 08, 2011, 12:56:34 PM
Great signing if this comes off, Means weve got more chance of beating Reading in the cup this year now!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on August 08, 2011, 12:58:20 PM
Latest from the Reading Chronicle:

http://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/roundup/articles/2011/08/08/53480-reading-fcs-long-set-to-join-west-brom/
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: johnny Cash on August 08, 2011, 12:59:32 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on August 08, 2011, 01:06:25 PM
I know someone who has contact with Brian McDermot i can assure you he wont be coming to West Brom and i for one will be very happy indeed

Upset? :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2011, 01:10:25 PM
Upset? :P


I was only jokin just wanted to pretend i was ITK for a day and ruffle a few feathers because i heard what was going to come out today ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: johnny Cash on August 08, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 01:24:56 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2011, 01:27:12 PM
I think WestBrom will struggle to score goals this season with the strikers they have, wolves fan quote.

Dont we always score more than them :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: very old baggie on August 08, 2011, 01:28:43 PM
I think WestBrom will struggle to score goals this season with the strikers they have, wolves fan quote.

Dont we always score more than them :D

yes....especially when we play them.... ;D

vob
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on August 08, 2011, 01:32:23 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2011, 01:43:30 PM
Decent signing, strikers are always costly, it just the cost of doing business in the Premier league
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
I hope if the fee is 6m, a considerable amount of that is clauses, something like 4m +1m if we stay up, and another million if he scores 10. Otherwise it seems a bit of a rip off - regardless of how well he does this season, considering he's out of contract next year.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 01:51:23 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tambag on August 08, 2011, 01:58:11 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 01:58:55 PM
update  :P
from reading journo
Shane Long missing from Ireland training session apparently - could be having medical at #wba this afternoon #readingfc
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 02:03:26 PM
fee and terms agreed, having / had medical today

im fairly pleased if its for the right price, remember we sold koumas for over 5m and kamara for 6m so is 5m + really that bad a price??

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 08, 2011, 02:06:20 PM
I'm still not sure whether he is worth this kind of money but i trust in roy and he obviously rates him very highly so we shall have to wait and see
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 02:06:37 PM
Should be a baggie by tonight hopefully 8) and most likely will get the number 10 shirt :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Morany on August 08, 2011, 02:15:12 PM
Is it Roy who rates him highly though, or is it Ashworth ? Maybe Roy has just gone along with it, as they may not be many other viable options and he has recognized we need a back up/partner for Odemwingie. Either way, i'll be very happy with the signing.

 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 02:20:28 PM
Is it Roy who rates him highly though, or is it Ashworth ? Maybe Roy has just gone along with it, as they may not be many other viable options and he has recognized we need a back up/partner for Odemwingie. Either way, i'll be very happy with the signing.

He's a Roy signing. But has the backing of all the top bods.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2011, 02:21:22 PM
fee and terms agreed, having / had medical today

im fairly pleased if its for the right price, remember we sold koumas for over 5m and kamara for 6m so is 5m + really that bad a price??

Yeah but everyone thought we'd ripped Fulham off when we got 6m for Kamara, which we did.

Is it Roy who rates him highly though, or is it Ashworth ? Maybe Roy has just gone along with it, as they may not be many other viable options and he has recognized we need a back up/partner for Odemwingie. Either way, i'll be very happy with the signing.

 

Well Roy said a while ago that he had identified his 2 main targets which he hoped we would get ASAP, which were presumed at the time to be Foster and Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 02:30:54 PM
I'm still not sure whether he is worth this kind of money but i trust in roy and he obviously rates him very highly so we shall have to wait and see
the past few seasons has proved that average strikers do cost money. he may only be a 3m pound striker but will obviously cost more.

was chopra worth 5m or david nugent 6m

unfortunately its about the going rate and we have to accept it
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 08, 2011, 02:49:53 PM
the past few seasons has proved that average strikers do cost money. he may only be a 3m pound striker but will obviously cost more.

was chopra worth 5m or david nugent 6m

unfortunately its about the going rate and we have to accept it

Paying 5m for Chopra or 6m for Nugent is insane. Overpaying for mediocre strikers is not acceptable. We have proven in the past that you can get as good or better for a better price. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2011, 02:58:31 PM
Medical this morning apparantly!

SportRumours Sport Rumours
#FOOTBALL: Shane Long is set to sign for West Brom imminently after undergoing a medical this morning. #WBA #Reading
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bobcracker on August 08, 2011, 03:00:32 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2011, 03:01:02 PM
This signing is growing on me.Do i have any choice ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 08, 2011, 03:23:04 PM
Not impressed with this signing to be honest but il trust RH in his ways to bring the best out of him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Swissguy on August 08, 2011, 03:24:57 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 8thewolves on August 08, 2011, 03:28:17 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.

look to the future, not the past  ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on August 08, 2011, 03:29:46 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.

1st post and agreeing with Wolves fans. Sure you're not tying with 6 fingers?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 08, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.
Wasn't he only 19/20 back then?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.

jesus, how old was he?? 21 / 22!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2011, 03:40:00 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.
Thanks for your support, you can always join the Wolves fans up the Molineux if you like, you would fit in perfect there!!

Long scored 28 goals last season in a difficult league and also set up a fair few too, we need someone with that kind of record to play alongside Pete so why knock the bloke??

Torres scored 1 in 14 for Chelsea, suppose you wouldn't have him neither?? (based on previous exploits obviously)

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: jjb0rdell0 on August 08, 2011, 03:49:28 PM
As with any signing im going with an attitude if innocent til proven guilty.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 08, 2011, 03:52:47 PM
just found this, not a reliable source i know, but looks like were about to get one over on RH old club

http://www.fanatix.com/news/west-brom-to-pip-liverpool-to-signing-of-shane-long-156/
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on August 08, 2011, 03:54:32 PM
just found this, not a reliable source i know, but looks like were about to get one over on RH old club

http://www.fanatix.com/news/west-brom-to-pip-liverpool-to-signing-of-shane-long-156/

Was there any genuine interest from Liverpool?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 08, 2011, 03:56:25 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.

How many of those 50 did the 20/21 year old long start?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieJames114 on August 08, 2011, 04:00:11 PM
How many of those 50 did the 20/21 year old long start?

I probably think that number will be less than half, he was 20/21 and in the second season in a relegated side. Not many teams go down and have their forwards on fire
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 08, 2011, 04:03:16 PM
Irish Sky correspondent

enda brady
For everyone asking, Shane Long is having a medical at West Brom. Great move for him and a quality signing by the boing boing Baggies! #WBA

Quality? Doesnt he realise Long only scored 5 in 50 in the prem when he was a kid *rolls eyes and tuts*



Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 08, 2011, 04:10:30 PM
Somewhere in this 28 page thread (that I can't be bothered looking through) is a link to an excellent biography of Long's time at Reading. In it I seem to remember he didn't get an extended run in the team until the end of the season before last and then virtually ever-present last season. So I would guess that much less than half of his prem apps were starts.

If anyone knows the link I mean please post it again as it is a decent read, especially in the light of his imminent arrival. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ben1983 on August 08, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
Yes, lets not sign him because when he was 21 and playing in a relegated team he did not do well!

FFS!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reis wbafc patel on August 08, 2011, 04:14:51 PM
Think he would be a good signing, nice to see Peace getting his check book out.  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 04:22:08 PM
Was there any genuine interest from Liverpool?

wrong player, we're about to beat themfor scott danns signature ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Galahad on August 08, 2011, 04:24:21 PM
Based on his previous exploits in the Premier League (50 appearances, 5 goals) I agree with the Wolves fans.

No problem quoting statistics at the start off his career, but you may want to check out these statistcs also.

Dingle Doyle last season before signing for Wolves 2008/09 40apps 18Goals avg 0.45 Goals per game
Shane Long last season 2010/11 51apps 25Goals avg 0.49 Goals per game

Dingle Doyle International Career 41apps 9Goals avg 0.22 Goals per game (1 in 5)
Shane Long International Career 19apps 6Goals avg 0.32 Goals per game (1 in 3)

 ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 04:28:58 PM
Yes, lets not sign him because when he was 21 and playing in a relegated team he did not do well!

FFS!

i agree why havent we signed messi yet??
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ben1983 on August 08, 2011, 04:30:18 PM
Nice stats Galahad.

What will the people from the 5th worst city in the world say about these figures now?

Ooossshhhhhhhhhh!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 04:31:30 PM
haha look on wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shane_Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 04:32:02 PM
#ssn WBA in talks with Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on August 08, 2011, 04:32:12 PM
Ive said what I think before and i think most people will agree we are over paying however, there is some logic to this.

Been reading a lot about moneyball this summer with Commolli (sp) and John W henry at Liverpool and interestingly, one of the theories behind moneyball is to OVERPAY to fill gaps quickly. In our terms, we have 3 weeks left and need a striker to help keep us up. Allied to the fact we have bought 5 players in on free transfers/loans and Shane Long might yet be our last signing, the 6 million can be accepted. The club will know he shouldnt be worth 6 million but we are paying to fill in the gap we need. He was identified some time ago and slowly we have pursued him and now he is set to sign.

His record is patchy but he has everything a top striker needs like pace, skill, strength and finishes aswell as assists so he might work out and if he does not then we can always sell him to a championship team for 2 or 3 million in a year or two.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 08, 2011, 04:32:56 PM
Turns out I could be bothered after all:

http://theseventytwo.com/football-league/championship/2011/05/27/shane-long-a-brief-history-of-readings-star-striker/

16 prem starts out of those 50. Puts a bit of perspective on it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ben1983 on August 08, 2011, 04:35:42 PM
Londonbaggymike, wobble your head and have sit down.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 08, 2011, 04:38:03 PM
Ive said what I think before and i think most people will agree we are over paying however, there is some logic to this.

Been reading a lot about moneyball this summer with Commolli (sp) and John W henry at Liverpool and interestingly, one of the theories behind moneyball is to OVERPAY to fill gaps quickly. In our terms, we have 3 weeks left and need a striker to help keep us up. Allied to the fact we have bought 5 players in on free transfers/loans and Shane Long might yet be our last signing, the 6 million can be accepted. The club will know he shouldnt be worth 6 million but we are paying to fill in the gap we need. He was identified some time ago and slowly we have pursued him and now he is set to sign.

His record is patchy but he has everything a top striker needs like pace, skill, strength and finishes aswell as assists so he might work out and if he does not then we can always sell him to a championship team for 2 or 3 million in a year or two.
So basically sounds like a panic buy?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on August 08, 2011, 04:39:54 PM
No, it could be a signing based on a system of purchasing players that has worked very well is baseball and which one of the top teams in england are now experimenting with.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on August 08, 2011, 04:59:21 PM
wrong player, we're about to beat themfor scott danns signature ;)

Oh sorry mate! Must. Read. Links.  :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Galahad on August 08, 2011, 05:08:14 PM
Nice stats Galahad.

What will the people from the 5th worst city in the world say about these figures now?

Ooossshhhhhhhhhh!

Let's see if Swissguy replies  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 08, 2011, 05:15:24 PM
Let's see if Swissguy replies  ;D
Probably too busy chatting to the Wolves fans.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 08, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
All gone quite now ?  :o
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2011, 05:49:41 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: A5HB on August 08, 2011, 05:53:01 PM
If we do sign Shane can we also sign Vagner Love! Then we could have a front 3 of Vagner Love Long Cox  :o

Seriously though will be pleased if/when this deal gets wrapped up, we need another striker and from what I've seen Long is a really good little player, very lively, who will be another good option alongside Pete.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 05:54:34 PM
All gone quite now ?  :o

Am sure the deal will be wrapped up later tonight or early tomorrow, i think he just wants to get everything sorted so he can play for ireland with his new team mate Simon Cox :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on August 08, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
Take odemwingie out of our strike force and were left with fortune bednar tchoyi and cox
Now long is better then all of them. Longs an improvement to what weve got thats all we can ask for
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 08, 2011, 06:25:32 PM
Any more update on this potential transfer, as apparently he missed Republic of Ireland training today to have a medical with us?

I can't see this deal being completed today now, but hopefully it can be confirmed tomorrow if most of the details have been agreed between all parties.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 06:31:52 PM
If there is one thing I am pretty certain on with this topic, it's that Swissguy won't post on here again!  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Andio on August 08, 2011, 06:34:58 PM
If there is one thing I am pretty certain on with this topic, it's that Swissguy won't post on here again!  ;D

If there's one thing I'm sure about it's that Swissguy is a blatant Dingle on the wind up.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 08, 2011, 06:37:05 PM
Ive said what I think before and i think most people will agree we are over paying however, there is some logic to this.

Been reading a lot about moneyball this summer with Commolli (sp) and John W henry at Liverpool and interestingly, one of the theories behind moneyball is to OVERPAY to fill gaps quickly. In our terms, we have 3 weeks left and need a striker to help keep us up. Allied to the fact we have bought 5 players in on free transfers/loans and Shane Long might yet be our last signing, the 6 million can be accepted. The club will know he shouldnt be worth 6 million but we are paying to fill in the gap we need. He was identified some time ago and slowly we have pursued him and now he is set to sign.

"William Lamar 'Billy' Beane III is a former Major League Baseball player and the current general manager and minority owner of the Oakland Athletics. He is also the subject of Michael Lewis's 2003 book on baseball economics, Moneyball.

"When the A's ownership group agreed to purchase the reincarnation of the San Jose Earthquakes of Major League Soccer, Beane, who is an avid supporter of Tottenham Hotspur of the English Premier League, began developing a system for objectively analyzing soccer players. He has agreed to help the Earthquakes front office develop a method for building a cost-effective team, as the salary cap in MLS is even more restrictive than the A's small-market status in Major League Baseball.

"Beane is portrayed by Brad Pitt in the upcoming film Moneyball based on the book of the same name."  :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Beane

(Which is why we had a friendly with Spurs last year and have a Spurs player on loan.)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 06:40:02 PM
If there's one thing I'm sure about it's that Swissguy is a blatant Dingle on the wind up.

Didn't work too well did it?!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 08, 2011, 06:49:34 PM
Must admit I wasn't keen on Long at first but am warming to him since I watched his goals on youtube  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieheart on August 08, 2011, 06:53:55 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on August 08, 2011, 06:55:58 PM
I was thinking about this earlier. If he were to play as many minutes as Fortune, Bednar and Miller did combined last season, and were to get 5 goals I'd be quite happy with that. It's 3 more than those lot did last season. I think 10 would be amazing but realistically 8 is what he should aim for him he does come.

Also, if he's anything like he is on FM11 we're in for goals haha!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: collins101 on August 08, 2011, 07:04:00 PM
Does this mean we are going to play 442 next season ? Personally not excited by this potential signing, 6 million for an unproven player in the last year of there contract  :'(
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 15.SUPERJOE on August 08, 2011, 07:06:00 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Swissguy on August 08, 2011, 07:14:24 PM
look to the future, not the past  ;)
Hey, if he works out then great, but the signs don't look good IMO, that's all I'm saying. Or to put it another way - Miller has scored about the same number of PL goals in fewer matches, I believe (for us - don't know what his record was before that). And let's be honest, we don't exactly have a great record with big money signings :(

How many of those 50 did the 20/21 year old long start?
I only have the stats from wikipedia, so I don't know. Yes, it might be he was only on the pitch for 50 minutes in total :D

No problem quoting statistics at the start off his career, but you may want to check out these statistcs also.

Dingle Doyle last season before signing for Wolves 2008/09 40apps 18Goals avg 0.45 Goals per game
Shane Long last season 2010/11 51apps 25Goals avg 0.49 Goals per game
I've no interest in how good or bad the dogheads' players are, and I think everyone knows what Long's stats for last season are, however even the two seasons directly before last (both Championship seasons) he only scored 1 in 4. Maybe he's suddenly turned into Superman, or maybe he was playing in a team that suited him perfectly last season. Whatever. I remember us buying Nathan Bloody Ellington at 24 years old or so, who had a great record the previous season or two at Wigan. I think we all know how that turned out. I've no problem with us having a punt on some youngish player like Long, but not for 8m, not even for 5m, we don't have the income to be able to do that.

If there is one thing I am pretty certain on with this topic, it's that Swissguy won't post on here again!  ;D
Wrong! Wrong, wrong, wrong! :D

If there's one thing I'm sure about it's that Swissguy is a blatant Dingle on the wind up.
And you? Yeah, you're wrong an' all!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 07:19:49 PM
I take full responsibility/blame for making you post again....
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 08, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
Sounds like somethings happening with Long on the twitter.

Fourth_Official: - Shane Long #herewego

Late bid from Bolton maybe? Lets hope not lol.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: castlebaggiefan2011 on August 08, 2011, 07:36:19 PM
cant tell how close wea re to sigining long theres rumours weve had a bid excepted but i cant believe this can anyone make it any clearer
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2011, 07:36:46 PM
BBC South Today reported that he is on his way to us! ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2011, 07:49:42 PM
Sounds like somethings happening with Long on the twitter.

Fourth_Official: - Shane Long #herewego

Late bid from Bolton maybe? Lets hope not lol.


Just been on a Bolton message board.Keane is being mentioned quite alot.Nothing about Long from what i saw
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 08, 2011, 07:53:33 PM

Just been on a Bolton message board.Keane is being mentioned quite alot.Nothing about Long from what i saw

Good, good lets hope not. I'd be gutted if we missed out on him now.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 07:55:50 PM
cant tell how close wea re to sigining long theres rumours weve had a bid excepted but i cant believe this can anyone make it any clearer

firstly im not itk but i do know shane longs cousin. (athough only found out she was his cousin today!!)
shes confirmed fee agreed and terms agreed and he had a medical this morning
i'm awaiting a call to confirm he's signed!!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 08, 2011, 07:58:23 PM
Sounds good mate.Lets hope it gets done and dusted before the vulutres come calling.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie_1 on August 08, 2011, 07:59:03 PM
firstly im not itk but i do know shane longs cousin. (athough only found out she was his cousin today!!)
shes confirmed fee agreed and terms agreed and he had a medical this morning
i'm awaiting a call to confirm he's signed!!!
you sir are ITK  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: castlebaggiefan2011 on August 08, 2011, 08:00:46 PM
firstly im not itk but i do know shane longs cousin. (athough only found out she was his cousin today!!)
shes confirmed fee agreed and terms agreed and he had a medical this morning
i'm awaiting a call to confirm he's signed!!!
thanks for the news hope its true dont think hes the best around but glad to see a new striker i am just finding hard ot get on board with tchoyi upfront so someone to play along side odemwingie would be good
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: castlebaggiefan2011 on August 08, 2011, 08:01:51 PM
you sir are ITK  ;) ;D
yes i would also class it as in ITK
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 08, 2011, 08:05:21 PM
thanks for the news hope its true dont think hes the best around but glad to see a new striker i am just finding hard ot get on board with tchoyi upfront so someone to play along side odemwingie would be good
tchoyi needs games to adapt to that position and dont we can afford to mess about in the first few games trying to convert him so im all for Long!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: castlebaggiefan2011 on August 08, 2011, 08:09:32 PM
tchoyi needs games to adapt to that position and dont we can afford to mess about in the first few games trying to convert him so im all for Long!
i agree tchoyi needs  time to adapt to the position but as you point out we cant just wait until hes gelled enough and i'm still not sure he's premier league quality anyway
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2011, 08:44:21 PM
Square pegs in round holes again regards Tchoyi playing up front. You can't afford to do that at this level. Yes he may adapt over time but we need recognised players playing in their positions.

As for Long, I'm not totally excited TBH. I really thought we'd go for experience (Johnson, Keane, Cole). Still you have to back Roy's judgement. Looks like we may be paying over the odds to get him too. Fair play to the club if so.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 08, 2011, 08:47:02 PM
Tchoyi upfront on his own maybe not. But him playing as an attacking midfielder - yes please!

Re Long

Anyone heard of DEVELOPMENT? You can't judge him based on Reading's last premier league campaign!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: daviesk10 on August 08, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
According to pete graves on twitter deal should be completed in next 24 hours

petegravestv Pete Graves
elsewhere... been told Shane Long will be a West Brom player within the next 24 hours #WBA
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: EveshamBaggy on August 08, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
I've heard it is done and dusted... but there you go. I'm not ITK
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AshD on August 08, 2011, 09:39:01 PM
Who is Peter Graves, if you dont mind me asking?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2011, 09:40:53 PM
Who is Peter Graves, if you dont mind me asking?

Sky Sports News
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 08, 2011, 09:46:58 PM
According to Twitter ...

"@SirChrisScott: Shane Long's GF confirms on her Facebook that deal to #WBA now complete #Readingfc"
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pennington on August 08, 2011, 09:47:53 PM
Who is Peter Graves, if you dont mind me asking?
He will aways be Joey's dad in Fury for me :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: daviesk10 on August 08, 2011, 09:48:49 PM
Who is Peter Graves, if you dont mind me asking?
Sky Sports News Presenter
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 09:53:39 PM
Deal completed. All done and dusted.  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 08, 2011, 09:57:49 PM
Deal completed. All done and dusted.  :D

Awesome.

Thanks for the updates DJ.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
Deal completed. All done and dusted.  :D


Good news at last with all the rubbish i am watching on the box right now
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: collins101 on August 08, 2011, 09:58:31 PM
Who said Albion couldn't get a deal done in 24 hours :o :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 09:59:09 PM
Fair play to the club on this one. They wanted to stall to save on cost, fair play. They knew Pete had a niggle, so moved quickly, and got it done.

A big well done to Ashworth and JP on this, I think.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on August 08, 2011, 10:00:54 PM
Fabulous! Thanks for the updates, peeps! Oooh.. I can feel a long cox moment coming on!  :o
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggusmaximus on August 08, 2011, 10:02:14 PM
I think Shane Long is going to be a great player for us and surprise a lot of people this year. I look forward to seeing him in an Albion shirt.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:05:34 PM
I think Shane Long is going to be a great player for us and surprise a lot of people this year. I look forward to seeing him in an Albion shirt.

"Great" player, i'm on the fence.
A very decent player, without a doubt.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on August 08, 2011, 10:07:06 PM
Well! All we can do either way now is support him! We may not all feel he's the player we needed or the best player for the club but lets all get behind him and hopefully see him banging in many goals in the famous Albion stripes! Boing Boing!  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bobcracker on August 08, 2011, 10:16:12 PM
Apparently his girlfriend has confirmed that the deal has been done on facebook as well, happy days
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dubya BA on August 08, 2011, 10:17:11 PM
Chuffed to bits with this signing. Can we assume that he will get the number 9 shirt?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 08, 2011, 10:18:18 PM
Ah well, WELCOME to the Hawthorns!

Prove me wrong and do us proud!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2011, 10:18:27 PM
Chuffed to bits with this signing. Can we assume that he will get the number 9 shirt?

I'd say 10 when Ish has gone as its his usual number and you know how players like to keep the same numbers  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on August 08, 2011, 10:20:18 PM
been a fan of his for the past couple seasons, chuffed with this
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dubya BA on August 08, 2011, 10:21:26 PM
Cheers I was going to get a name and number on my shirt this week. Hope they have got plenty of letters in. Last week they could only do Mulumbu.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 08, 2011, 10:22:43 PM
"Great" player, i'm on the fence.
A very decent player, without a doubt.

Fingers crossed.

I'm with you Mart, very on the fence about it but my word did we need a striker who knows where the net is?

And to be fair there aint much better out there. Takes pressure of Pete that's for sure. Who's to say Roy could even revert to 4-4-2? Interesting.

Now for a centre back to complete the jigsaw  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: stubba on August 08, 2011, 10:24:53 PM
I'd say 10 when Ish has gone as its his usual number and you know how players like to keep the same numbers  :D
he wore 9 for reading, but thats romans at the mo.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2011, 10:26:40 PM
he wore 9 for reading, but thats romans at the mo.

Yeah, he did  :D

Oh well, shows even the best are wrong at times  8)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:28:20 PM
Chuffed to bits with this signing. Can we assume that he will get the number 9 shirt?

Possibly. That was his number at Reading.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: stubba on August 08, 2011, 10:29:12 PM
Yeah, he did  :D

Oh well, shows even the best are wrong at times  8)
never lol :o 8)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 08, 2011, 10:31:48 PM
why did we give bednar number 9 this season should of gave him 33 or something, same goes for Miller whats the point when the club knows that both  will be going ???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on August 08, 2011, 10:35:13 PM
great news we got him under noses of everton and sunderland, welcome longie
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 08, 2011, 10:35:43 PM
How long will it take for Sky sports to report it I wonder? ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 08, 2011, 10:38:49 PM
why did we give bednar number 9 this season should of gave him 33 or something, same goes for Miller whats the point when the club knows that both  will be going ???
Probably didn't want to upset either player by 'demoting them'. The club can change the numbers around if they want so it won't be a problem.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 08, 2011, 10:45:50 PM
I'm guessing this won't be confirmed tonight, but will tomorrow morning?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie.coop on August 08, 2011, 10:48:46 PM
I'm guessing this won't be confirmed tonight, but will tomorrow morning?

If we're lucky the OS is well known as being slow  :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 08, 2011, 10:51:05 PM
Oh well, shows even the best are wrong at times  8)

I wasn't.

(this time!)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on August 08, 2011, 11:30:00 PM
Shame "Wood" can't be thrown into the mix
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ross on August 08, 2011, 11:31:31 PM
What price did we get him for (sorry cant be bothered thrawling through the pages!)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 09, 2011, 12:44:04 AM
Has he signed yet? Been out riotin' all night so haven't had chance to follow this. Might get myself back down to totenham and see if I can loot modric for us!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ben1983 on August 09, 2011, 01:58:21 AM
Everything will be signed after the Ireland match I presume, just incase he has a major injury!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 187_homicide on August 09, 2011, 03:16:19 AM
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfgbmhojsnsn/rss2/?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Article about Long signing with quotes from Trapattoni.

Interesting quotes from Simon Cox as well, seems to be a player with a great attitude. Really want him to do well.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Joust on August 09, 2011, 07:50:34 AM
Can we all clarify that he will be known as Shlong please  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on August 09, 2011, 09:15:52 AM
Hopefully the burning cars on his way in doesn't put him off.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 09:19:59 AM
Hopefully the burning cars on his way in doesn't put him off.


What via the massive catchment City of Dinglehampton
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 09, 2011, 09:38:31 AM
Pleased to hear that the deal has allegedly been completed, when can we expect an announcement to be made by the club?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on August 09, 2011, 09:41:17 AM
Perhaps they are waiting for the photographer to turn up to take Long's picture ;) ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 09, 2011, 09:59:39 AM
Should be completed today and initial fee will be undisclosed but believed to be around 4.5mil

Excellent work JP!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 09, 2011, 10:01:46 AM
How long will it take for Sky sports to report it I wonder? ::)

They've got some quotes from Cox about the signing and he sounds like he's talking as if it has happened rather than hypothetically.

 http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12874_7089309,00.html

Hope this is made official soon.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 09, 2011, 10:32:46 AM
According to Steve Madeley (E&S) it is 4.5m up front and as much as 6.5m with add ons, so not a bad deal really, if he does cost 6.5m then that means he is doing well so worth the extra moola!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Bakeyaface on August 09, 2011, 10:44:59 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 10:51:18 AM
Just the kind of deal I expected if it get completed. It means he has to be successful to trigger further payments for him so not a bad deal really.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 09, 2011, 10:54:41 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 11:18:16 AM
Rumour around that there is some late interest from Newcastle.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 09, 2011, 11:20:24 AM
Rumour around that there is some late interest from Newcastle.
Surely it will be too late wouldnt it??? ???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 11:26:38 AM
What happened to a done & dusted
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Barrington on August 09, 2011, 11:27:30 AM
Never done and dusted until it's signed i'd say. Things can change quickly.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 11:28:19 AM
As I said just a rumour I've seen, no idea if there is any truth in it. Then again we don't actually know for certain that he has signed a contract with us yet.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 11:29:23 AM
I got told from someone ITK thats its a done deal and hes never been wrong before !!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 11:29:49 AM
It may be done and dusted for all any of us know but then again it may not, lets just wait and see.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 09, 2011, 11:34:17 AM
Even Trapatoni is talking like Long is already an Albion player, his GF has confirmed he has signed, we do have some very nervous fans on here!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 09, 2011, 11:36:07 AM
Brian Dick was the Birmingham Mail journalist who mentioned late interest from Newcastle. But is still hopeful that the deal will be completed today.

http://twitter.com/#!/briandick
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbahunty on August 09, 2011, 11:42:03 AM
Once again this move for Mr Long hasn't filled me with any confidence. I have not seen the young fella play and yes he is promising but will he have the same effect that Peter Odemwinge had on the premier league. I just think we should have once again looked abroad.

But ill give the fella a chance and will be going for him to be first goal scorer in his first start for WBA
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 09, 2011, 11:42:49 AM
everything was agreed last night!!
no idea why its not been announced
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 11:44:27 AM
agreed in person or has he signed papers ect ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 11:45:51 AM
everything was agreed last night!!
no idea why its not been announced


I doubt they would announce anything until the paperwork all goes through and that is if he has signed anything and not just agreed verbally, even then football clubs don't always announce deals straight away for some reason.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 11:47:50 AM
I just want this to be finshed asap !!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 12:00:43 PM
So theres noway Newcastle can sign him now ? Its all done and all signed and finshed ? :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: A5HB on August 09, 2011, 12:01:49 PM
No! Only messing!  ;D

Newcastle rumour is true, but doesn't make too much difference at this point.

We all know the OS take 2 days to announce anything. Don't panic.

we do always seems to take a long time to get things sorted on the official website, I remember hearing the story about Valero having english lessons and training with the team for 3 days after he signed, only the OS to announce that we 'had an interest' and only announce the signing the next day.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 12:02:05 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 12:04:03 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 12:06:58 PM
Cox has just been talking about Long joining us on Talksport
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbahunty on August 09, 2011, 12:08:25 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 09, 2011, 12:09:59 PM
Brilliant knews on the price front! I like that we have spent money at long last!

So thats 6 signings for 4.5million. And 3 of them im quite sure will be brilliant signings!

That'll be McAuley, Jones and Fulop, right?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
I reckon this deal wont be annouced intill Miller signs for forest
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbahunty on August 09, 2011, 12:10:47 PM
That'll be McAuley, Jones and Fulop, right?

Indeed!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 12:23:34 PM
And theres not even a little chance Newcastle can come in at the last minute and steal him off us ?

I can only go on what I am told. Things can change in a heartbeat in this game.

I had it on good authority last night that the deal had been completed. Fee agreed yesterday (talk of it being before he even landed in West Brom/Great Barr,) medical passed and both parties are perfectly happy with the terms.

I didn't see the word "signed" used in anything, however. All I read and heard from a couple of sources is that the deal is DONE. Whether that means agreed, signed, rubber stamped, or is still being negotiated is up to your own interpretation, I guess.

Mind, on a less official note, his missus put on Twitter about him agreeing a deal, and you know what women am like! Cor keep a secret or any bit of gossip to themselves!  ;D


I know people will still be panicing until they see a picture of him holding a blue and white scarf aloft, and fair enough I guess. But I ay worried in the slightest.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on August 09, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbahunty on August 09, 2011, 12:27:39 PM
No if you read what ive put....im happy that we have got 6 signings and only payed 4.5million plus add ons!

Nothing about how much Long has cost in my post!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 12:29:56 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 09, 2011, 12:31:25 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 09, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 09, 2011, 12:34:29 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 12:36:09 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 09, 2011, 12:39:31 PM
Clearly Roy, Dan, Jeremy or even all three have paid a fee they are happy to pay to secure him. I back their decision 100%. a fair whack of cash but on the grand scheme of things not really that big.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 09, 2011, 12:41:03 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbahunty on August 09, 2011, 12:42:33 PM
I think 4.5 is a steal...when they were wanting 8million for him? Its not like we gone and spent 35 on Carrol as sombody else has pointed out. With Miller going out for 2million this is a brilliant bit of buisness!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on August 09, 2011, 12:43:34 PM
If he as signed doe's that make him our joint top signing
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dan7heman on August 09, 2011, 12:45:33 PM
If he as signed doe's that make him our joint top signing
Probably depands on how they report the deal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 12:46:35 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 12:49:08 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: NathWBA on August 09, 2011, 12:51:24 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 09, 2011, 12:55:29 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on August 09, 2011, 01:01:20 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 01:06:07 PM
this is taking to long  ;)     PEACE OUT !  HODGSON OUT ! :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 01:06:48 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on August 09, 2011, 01:10:38 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 8thewolves on August 09, 2011, 01:10:54 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on August 09, 2011, 01:12:33 PM
When's the Press Conference !   :o
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on August 09, 2011, 01:16:52 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 01:21:45 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 01:23:25 PM
This is JP's  Birthday present for Roy ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: johnny Cash on August 09, 2011, 01:25:25 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on August 09, 2011, 01:29:06 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on August 09, 2011, 01:50:46 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 09, 2011, 01:52:53 PM
John Carew is a proven prem goalscorer thank god we missed the boat with him!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: vikingbaggie on August 09, 2011, 01:54:53 PM
John Carew is a proven prem goalscorer thank god we missed the boat with him!

Amen!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 01:57:14 PM
Hope there is a announcement by 3pm the longer it goes on with no confirmation of him signing the more i get worried :-X
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 09, 2011, 02:04:26 PM
Shane Long is back training with Ireland squad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 02:05:54 PM
Can you imagine the rioting now if we didn't sign him for whatever reason
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 02:06:23 PM
Shane Long is back training with Ireland squad.

Hopefully that means its all wrapped up ! and atleast he aint in newcastle lol
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 02:07:06 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 8thewolves on August 09, 2011, 02:07:46 PM
Can you imagine the rioting now if we didn't sign him for whatever reason

already happening in the town apparently  :o
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 09, 2011, 02:08:21 PM
According to Twitter he's failed to agree personal terms!  :o

Lets hope not eh.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 02:08:39 PM
already happening in the town apparently  :o


What the club shop.They can keep their adidas range
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 02:09:20 PM
Maybe Ish's deal to forest is holding things up, he probaly has agreed personal terms and passed his medical just waiting for Miller's move to be completed before announcing the deal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 02:09:47 PM
According to Twitter he's failed to agree personal terms!  :o

Lets hope not eh.


DJ Where are you when we need you :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 02:10:59 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 02:11:39 PM
According to Twitter he's failed to agree personal terms!  :o

Lets hope not eh.

Who on Twitter mate? Surely Twitter itself isn't posting about this deal?!  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 09, 2011, 02:12:47 PM
Who on Twitter mate? Surely Twitter itself isn't posting about this deal?!  ;D
The person who 1st tweeted that Long deal has fallen through has said it was a joke. #calmdownpeople #wba
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 09, 2011, 02:17:33 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: saml30 on August 09, 2011, 02:20:23 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 09, 2011, 02:30:44 PM
4.5m is reasonable, if we pay 6.5m we've presumably stayed up and he's done well, if we go down in the worst case scenario we have a 20+ goal a season man for the championship.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 02:56:36 PM
Just got back from seeing Roy Hodgson. On the record he said he was "optimistic" about Long deal, but pretty clear he thinks it's done. #wba  - steve madeley   


also from baggies update  Medical + Terms were done yesterday, just a case of finishing off the finer details. Long now with ire squad. #wba
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dale on August 09, 2011, 02:58:08 PM
The person who 1st tweeted that Long deal has fallen through has said it was a joke. #calmdownpeople #wba

You are indeed correct. I always believed Mart anyway lol ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 03:00:57 PM
You are indeed correct. I always believed Mart anyway lol ;)

Are you mad?

Read my signature FFS
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on August 09, 2011, 03:16:04 PM
Will be Thursday now by the looks of it but dont panic.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 03:19:13 PM
Will be Thursday now by the looks of it but dont panic.


Lets just hope its before the deadline for him to play on Sunday and score a hattrick
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 03:26:11 PM
From what I remember Glyn, the cut off for Saturday's games is 5pm on Thurs.* Not sure if this is extended by a day for our Sunday game. But, as Jay said above, if it's done by Thurs, we should be fine anyway.


*which seems odd, as didn't Pete sign on the Friday, and played on the Saturday?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on August 09, 2011, 03:29:03 PM

Lets just hope its before the deadline for him to play on Sunday and score a hattrick

Depends if the game happens at the weekend I suppose.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on August 09, 2011, 03:29:55 PM
Will be Thursday now by the looks of it but dont panic.

where you get that info from??
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 03:30:30 PM
where you get that info from??

Baggie79 is Dan Ashworth.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 03:30:44 PM
He still might sign this evening , just finalizing the last few details arnt they ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aztech on August 09, 2011, 03:34:51 PM
Baggie79 is Dan Ashworth.

He cant be, I am!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on August 09, 2011, 03:36:26 PM
Not being funny but I dont have to justify myself at all. You can do the math yourself, he has gone back to the Ireland squad and wont be back in England until Thursday and we need him to be signed before the end of the week. Even if he is done before then it will not be officially announced until the media day which is always on a Thursday.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on August 09, 2011, 03:43:55 PM
I didn't ask you to justify yourself??  I simply asked where you had got the information that the signing would be announced on Thursday??

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2011, 03:46:27 PM
I didn't ask you to justify yourself??  I simply asked where you had got the information that the signing would be announced on Thursday??

Honestly

Not being funny but no way will anyone who is genuinely itk reveal where it comes from as the simple fact is if they do then that person will not tell them anything else.

Baggie79 is possibly the most genuine and itk person on this forum so i'd just take his word for it as he says things as they are at the time and no he's not one of my best buddies that i'm sticking up for.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ben1983 on August 09, 2011, 03:51:58 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 09, 2011, 03:52:29 PM

Lets just hope its before the deadline for him to play on Sunday and score a hattrick
Last person to score hat trick on his home debut for us = Andy Hunt ( I think )
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 03:53:17 PM
Not being funny but I dont have to justify myself at all. You can do the math yourself, he has gone back to the Ireland squad and wont be back in England until Thursday and we need him to be signed before the end of the week. Even if he is done before then it will not be officially announced until the media day which is always on a Thursday.

Calm down, Dan. Get back to your Global Search! Your passport ain't going to stamp itself! ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on August 09, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
Calm down, Dan. Get back to your Global Search! Your passport ain't going to stamp itself! ;)

I aint getting on no plane fool.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on August 09, 2011, 03:59:02 PM
Last person to score hat trick on his home debut for us = Andy Hunt ( I think )

Big Cyril
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 09, 2011, 04:00:47 PM
Big Cyril

Regis scored twice against Rotherham on his debut, it was Andy Hunt
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on August 09, 2011, 04:12:20 PM
Regis scored twice against Rotherham on his debut, it was Andy Hunt



 :-[ :'( I really thought he baged a hattrick, must be my suger level is high again
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 09, 2011, 04:20:45 PM


 :-[ :'( I really thought he baged a hattrick, must be my suger level is high again
Nah, old age
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 04:23:20 PM
If signed and selected i must just put a few quid on his hatrick.Speed and pace might well undo ferdinhands weary legs
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dinkydave2003 on August 09, 2011, 04:27:32 PM
If signed and selected i must just put a few quid on his hatrick.Speed and pace might well undo ferdinhands weary legs

if we score 3 goals in total i'll run across the pitch naked!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pennington on August 09, 2011, 04:31:27 PM
GUN and jump from BBC??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14436626.stm
 ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 04:45:17 PM
Says long (WBA) ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: A5HB on August 09, 2011, 05:22:43 PM
Latest from twitter...

billhowell68 bill howell
Sources down in Berkshire suggest Long will officially become a Baggie tonight. #wbafc

JonnyFordham Jonny Fordham
I understand #readingfc striker Shane Long will be announced as a #wba player TONIGHT - watch this space. . . .

Would be nice to get it all sorted out tonight.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: westbrom4ever on August 09, 2011, 05:45:16 PM
Massive gamble for 7m, there is no guarantee he will be a success in the prem.

Just hope everything works out.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 05:51:04 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 09, 2011, 06:08:26 PM
Just had a text saying he's signed a 3 year deal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: gerry m on August 09, 2011, 06:09:50 PM
good luck to the lad, here's hoping he does well :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 09, 2011, 06:10:45 PM
On OS http://mobile.wba.co.uk/runtime/wba/article?articleId=2415046

DONE DEAL. welcome mate!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on August 09, 2011, 06:12:58 PM
Just had a text saying he's signed a 3 year deal.

official club text or off someone ITK?!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:13:10 PM
Welcome Shane, good luck, you'll need it !!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 09, 2011, 06:14:11 PM
Yehaaaaaaaaa Lock the thread  8)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 09, 2011, 06:15:24 PM
official club text or off someone ITK?!

ITK considering it's now on OS :-)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Political Cake on August 09, 2011, 06:17:54 PM
Depends what you mean by official site, but still. Undisclosed fee? Well I never... :P

Welcome to the club. :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 09, 2011, 06:18:14 PM
Just been on the official site and there's nothing???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:18:46 PM
Just been on the official site and there's nothing???

http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2415046,00.html
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 09, 2011, 06:20:31 PM
Welcome!

I hope you do better than what I predicted, you will now get my support!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 06:21:56 PM
Happy with this ;D  has a bright future Welcome Shane 8)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: gazberg on August 09, 2011, 06:22:43 PM
Welcome to the Baggies mate!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 09, 2011, 06:26:33 PM
Bloody Brilliant :D WHHOOOOP
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Tom_WBA_93 on August 09, 2011, 06:26:49 PM
Great signing, welcome to the club Shane!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
Am I allowed to look smug now?!  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 09, 2011, 06:29:23 PM
Am I allowed to look smug now?!  :D
not until you solve the riot crisis!  ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MarkW on August 09, 2011, 06:29:28 PM
Eidur thought so :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Tipton Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:30:58 PM
A quality signing, always rated him
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 09, 2011, 06:31:41 PM
At last! He starts for ROI against Serbia tomorrow so get to see him live.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on August 09, 2011, 06:32:31 PM
Think he is a very good player, although I'm slightly alarmed by the price tag.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on August 09, 2011, 06:33:07 PM
Please don't get injured in friendly lol
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:34:43 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 06:35:01 PM
now we only need a center half and champions league here we come 8) :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Yam Yam Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
Shane Long
Zoltan Gera
Ben Foster
Garath Mccauley
Billy Jones
Marton Fulop

Very happy with those additions to be honest !!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: addy on August 09, 2011, 06:36:11 PM
Welcome. :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 09, 2011, 06:37:50 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Slimbo on August 09, 2011, 06:43:35 PM
Shane Long
Zoltan Gera
Ben Foster
Garath Mccauley
Billy Jones
Marton Fulop

Very happy with those additions to be honest !!!
Happy Summer 2011  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBA Brad WBA on August 09, 2011, 06:47:02 PM
What time is the ROI friendly tomorrow?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbamitch on August 09, 2011, 06:49:23 PM
Im glad we have spent some money and got one of the major priorities out the way in signing a striker, what is the actual fee for this?

I do think 7 million would be a bit too much personally, he has a good reputation though and is clearly proven at championship level, i have had my doubts on whether he can achieve success in the premiership, hopefully he can prove me wrong.

Welcome Shane and Good Luck  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on August 09, 2011, 06:50:19 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:50:31 PM
I really do think it is a fair enough deal, he will have to do well here to score the goals or make the appearances that will most likely trigger further payments to Reading.

Whenever I have seen him he has worked hard for his team, looks reasonably quick, gets into decent positions and can obviously score goals. It is a step up so we may have to be patient with him but I honestly think he can be a success here, he also seems to have a bit of a nasty side to him which the opposition will hate.

We aren't far away from having a team that could do reasonably well again next season if injuries and suspensions aren't too bad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on August 09, 2011, 06:52:58 PM
chuffed to bits, rate the guy and when this transfer got going it didnt even drag on!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sussex-Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:55:24 PM
I think it's fair to say that we have now signed Roy Hodgson's two main targets in Ben Foster and Shane Long, so it has definitely been a very good transfer window so far.

Long might not have a great deal of Premier League experience, but he did very well in The Championship last season and I think he can make a similar impact with us during this season!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 09, 2011, 06:57:39 PM
Strikers will tell you that scoring goals at any level is a lot to do with confidence. This guy should be full of that after last season and being picked regularly for his country. Goooo on my son !!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: koren on August 09, 2011, 07:01:22 PM
Although his goal record in premier league is not so well,I hope he has improved and score more for us in this season.
Welcome Shane ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on August 09, 2011, 07:05:24 PM
happy with our dealings so far this summer.


Would be absolutley estatic if we managed to sign a centre back though!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommi on August 09, 2011, 07:07:09 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aztech on August 09, 2011, 07:07:45 PM
Am I allowed to look smug now?!  :D

You always look smug!   :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: castlebaggiefan2011 on August 09, 2011, 07:08:47 PM
Shane Long
Zoltan Gera
Ben Foster
Garath Mccauley
Billy Jones
Marton Fulop

Very happy with those additions to be honest !!!
excited for new season cant wait to see them all play im surprised how low the price we have paid for a total of all them and defender and it will be a perfect summer
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 09, 2011, 07:12:16 PM
sunderland paid 8 million for connor wickham(with add-ons it will rise to 13 :o), we paid 4.5 million for long (rise to 7) , great business by the club
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2011, 07:44:34 PM
Welcome to the biggest and best club in the Black Country Shane
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on August 09, 2011, 08:18:15 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommi on August 09, 2011, 08:23:34 PM
Danny Graham, who also wasn't in the last year of his contract

So you would prefer Danny Graham a lad who has spent a majority of his playing time at Carlisle United after failing to impress at Leeds, Blackpool and Darlington, who had 1 U20 England Cap to his name... over Long?

Really...


Really?!?!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AshD on August 09, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Danny Graham, who also wasn't in the last year of his contract

Whos to say hes better than Long? Whos to say we looked at Graham and werent impressed!?!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 09, 2011, 08:32:47 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 09, 2011, 08:34:42 PM
Welcome Shane and all the best of luck to you.

Hodgson sees something in Shane and I hope he can bring the best out of him. Shane does feel very similar to a lot of strikers Roy has signed before, I'm sure he will fit in well. What upside he has remains to be seen. It is not the ones with the most upside that end up the best players necessarily - it is the ones that can reach the max of theirs that have an impact.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wardy65 on August 09, 2011, 09:08:23 PM
 We've gotta be happy with this! Laughed when i first heard we'd have to stump up 10 million but fair play to JP ... he's got us a great deal there!  ;D
 The thing that makes me really happy though is ... Roy's getting the 'tools' he requires to do the job properly.
 Now... just another central defender pleeasse  ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 09, 2011, 09:28:17 PM
Very happy we have got him, a good young striker.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 09, 2011, 09:39:52 PM
really happy with this for two reasons:
1) We are now showing we are not afraid to splash the cash; whether it is 4.5 or 7mill, it is still a decent sum of money coming for jezza peaces pockets.
2)We are finally showing our ambition by investing in a great championship striker with a thirst for goal, and one that could potentially prove himself here.
 great grab dan and co, in them we trust. UTB.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on August 09, 2011, 09:46:42 PM
Welcome Shane.

A much needed pacy strker who knows where the net is at a good price.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionLegend on August 09, 2011, 09:51:59 PM
Will be interesting to see if Long can develop a nice partnership with Cox when Pete isn't playing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j_dog_1980 on August 09, 2011, 10:01:36 PM
Shane Long
Zoltan Gera
Ben Foster
Garath Mccauley
Billy Jones
Marton Fulop

Very happy with those additions to be honest !!!


Very good transfer window. Look at the business done by the club there! Well done West Brom.
Centre Half now please!  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rolfestreet on August 09, 2011, 10:09:39 PM
Realy pleased we have our man, i think we could have a little gem of a player if we play to his strengths and not just hoof the ball forward.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 09, 2011, 11:10:15 PM
Really looking forward to seeing how he gets on, hope to see him play some part on Sunday.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2011, 11:57:17 PM
well done mr peace for getting this deal done quickly . good young striker whom will get better under roy. ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on August 10, 2011, 01:35:22 AM
Really looking forward to seeing how he gets on, hope to see him play some part on Sunday.
Thats if we even play!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: valleybaggie on August 10, 2011, 07:37:54 AM
not really seen much much of him but looking forward to watching him tonight . hopefully he will be a good signing has i have every faith in roys judgement . besides zamora wasnt exactly setting the premiership on fire till hodgson worked with him
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2011, 08:25:45 AM
I'm delighted that we've been able to conclude this deal before the season starts and that Roy has got his top target. Now let's give Shane chance to settle in and show what he can do. The likelihood of us playing 4-4-2 more often would seem to have increased with this signing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reis wbafc patel on August 10, 2011, 02:26:42 PM
Very good Peace, finally got your check book out  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 10, 2011, 02:59:27 PM
Very good Peace, finally got your check book out  ;D

one in the eye for all the lazy journalists that were writing about "Roy getting frustrated by the lack of funds to back him". Nice one jezza, nice one son, nice one jezza let's have another one!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2011, 03:08:27 PM
Reading fans seem to be 50/50 on him going.Lets hope under Roy he develops into a premier league superstar
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 10, 2011, 03:46:20 PM
Welcome shane  :D

I really hope he is a success here, if we can get two strikers to score over 10 goals a season in this league then we will be doing very well. I just hope that he doesnt struggle at first as we payed a fair wack for him by our standards and it could lead to him becoming the boo boys next target. But i wish him the best of luck and hope he can do us all proud and he can make his own mark on this great club
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ben1983 on August 10, 2011, 04:09:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpa7A3JTR30

He's a strong quick lad who scores all  types of goals!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 10, 2011, 04:52:37 PM
Don't forget you can see him play tonight for R.Ireland  on sky sports 3  at half 7 :-* ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 10, 2011, 04:54:05 PM
I would be nice if Cox gets some game time with him too to have a look at that partnership
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on August 10, 2011, 04:55:28 PM
looks like we finally have a decent penalty taker aswel ( fingers crossed ) if dorrans isnt playing
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on August 10, 2011, 04:56:45 PM
looks like we finally have a decent penalty taker aswel ( fingers crossed ) if dorrans isnt playing
I reckon Brunt will keep the penalties to start with, Pete will be banging on the door too!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: castlebaggiefan2011 on August 10, 2011, 05:01:09 PM
I reckon Brunt will keep the penalties to start with, Pete will be banging on the door too!
i know it was only a firendly and therefore not much to go on but the penalty he had against parma was  as hocker a long distance from the quality of penalties against liverpool last year.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on August 10, 2011, 08:12:48 PM
He's really good in the air long didn't think
He was that good in the air .
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBoyLee on August 10, 2011, 08:14:17 PM
Very surprised at how good he is in the air, went very close then
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on August 10, 2011, 09:31:14 PM
personally wouldnt like pete on pens, he's a bit off a scuffer for me
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: mulliganstired on August 10, 2011, 09:31:50 PM
Not sure if I've ever seen anyone use their backside to pass the ball before, not deliberately, anyway!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on August 10, 2011, 09:55:45 PM
Well we needed another striker and we've paid a fair whack for one.  Let's give him a go and judge then is my opinion.  He's young with plenty of time to develop, who knows, we could have a real bargain on our hands.

Pleased it's all signed and sealed.  I'm pleased we've got someone in.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 10, 2011, 10:01:26 PM
Watched the first half today and he had a bad first 10 minutes (first touch bounced 20 yards off him then a simple cross he massively over hit).
After that he played very well I thought for the rest of the half.
Very hard working, willing to run the channels, bit like Pete in that he pulls the centre halfs out there, it means he is not in the box enough, but he is creating more for others this way.
Pleasing to see him win so many headers, not seen too much of him and didnt know he was so good in the air, one chance he got up above the 2 centre halfs and made the keeper make a good save.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: alex1 on August 10, 2011, 10:04:18 PM
I'm delighted that we've been able to conclude this deal before the season starts and that Roy has got his top target. Now let's give Shane chance to settle in and show what he can do. The likelihood of us playing 4-4-2 more often would seem to have increased with this signing.

I agree that with Long we are now far more likely to go 4-4-2. It made sense for Roy to carry on with 4-5-1 last season because that is how RDM set the team up, and you don't want to mess around with formation too much mid season. Will be interesting to see if we play 3 attacking midfielders or 2.

As Roy says you want to see your best players out on the park, but best will change through the season depending on form. I would start by playing 3 attacking midfielders, keep Mulumbu as holding and drop Scharner to partner Olsson in central defence.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: saml30 on August 10, 2011, 10:17:28 PM

As Roy says you want to see your best players out on the park, but best will change through the season depending on form. I would start by playing 3 attacking midfielders, keep Mulumbu as holding and drop Scharner to partner Olsson in central defence.

Did you see him play at CB last year!!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on August 10, 2011, 10:29:42 PM
Did you see him play at CB last year!!!
After the performances Scharner put in at the back last year I think he should only be used there in an injury crisis. It's weird when Wigan fans were telling us how much better at the back he is than in midfield.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on August 10, 2011, 10:32:29 PM
The BBC match reporter gave Long man of the match for the Ireland Croatia game.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 10, 2011, 10:52:44 PM
The BBC match reporter gave Long man of the match for the Ireland Croatia game.

Possibly a fair shout. Mickeymel summed up his performance well - lots of effort, plenty of flick ons and one very good header against two centre halves. It was a fairly dire game to be honest with noone covering themselves with glory. 

One thing's for sure, Stephen hunt was dreadful - long may it continue!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dubya BA on August 11, 2011, 12:27:02 AM
I agree that with Long we are now far more likely to go 4-4-2. It made sense for Roy to carry on with 4-5-1 last season because that is how RDM set the team up, and you don't want to mess around with formation too much mid season. Will be interesting to see if we play 3 attacking midfielders or 2.

As Roy says you want to see your best players out on the park, but best will change through the season depending on form. I would start by playing 3 attacking midfielders, keep Mulumbu as holding and drop Scharner to partner Olsson in central defence.

I would add that we may play 4-4-1-1 which in a way is somewhere in between 4-5-1 and
4-4-2. From watching the game tonight I would guess that Long would be the target man and Cox or Odemwingie would sit in the 'Hole' behind them. Obviously we can vary that scenario a  bit.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 11, 2011, 12:31:16 AM
I would add that we may play 4-4-1-1 which in a way is somewhere in between 4-5-1 and
4-4-2. From watching the game tonight I would guess that Long would be the target man and Cox or Odemwingie would sit in the 'Hole' behind them. Obviously we can vary that scenario a  bit.

A good shout is that, i thought towards the end of last season when cox began to get more games we started to use that formation and it did seem to work
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: alex1 on August 11, 2011, 01:24:59 AM
After the performances Scharner put in at the back last year I think he should only be used there in an injury crisis. It's weird when Wigan fans were telling us how much better at the back he is than in midfield.

Against Newcastle he snuffed Carroll out..I also saw him play CB for Austria and thought he had a good game. The thing is with the players we have now, the alternatives would be McCauley or Tamas. I think Scharner is a good all round footballer and he may be able to add more than either of those two, although I haven't seen McCauley in action yet.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on August 11, 2011, 01:38:44 AM
I thought he done okay there, i'd give him another go if the others aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 11, 2011, 08:19:50 AM
A good signing but people need to remember that he is infallible

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8aNE8IuzU&NR=1

I just hope with his price tag etc the pressure (and fan based pressure ala Luke Moore) Doesnt get to him!

He is a lot quicker than I originally thought though, someone to keep up with Pete on a breakaway?  ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: elminius on August 11, 2011, 08:42:53 AM
A good signing but people need to remember that he is infallible

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8aNE8IuzU&NR=1

I just hope with his price tag etc the pressure (and fan based pressure ala Luke Moore) Doesnt get to him!

He is a lot quicker than I originally thought though, someone to keep up with Pete on a breakaway?  ;)

That was only because he used to play for Villa surely :'( !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pete on August 11, 2011, 09:29:48 AM
That was only because he used to play for Villa surely :'( !
Fact is "he wore the stripes"!

Should we give Foster grief because he played for the blues?
Would we have given Carew grief because he played for the vile?

Theres loads more however I see it as if they play in the stripes they get Supported NOT abused!

just my opinion!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: castlebaggiefan2011 on August 11, 2011, 11:32:37 AM
Fact is "he wore the stripes"!

Should we give Foster grief because he played for the blues?
Would we have given Carew grief because he played for the vile?

Theres loads more however I see it as if they play in the stripes they get Supported NOT abused!

just my opinion!
i agree with you if they have chosen to don the blue and white stripes they deserve our full respect and support
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on August 11, 2011, 01:20:54 PM
I think we have got Shane for a song  :D Cheap as Chips :-*
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on August 11, 2011, 01:56:03 PM
Saw him last night and generally he looked quite good. He looked better than Keane but it's not too hard but both were feeding off scraps really, it was a pretty dire game to watch.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggiesBoy on August 14, 2011, 10:50:31 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
Quite happy we got the bloke, heard the news in a theme park of all places! A Reading fan was standing a few places infront of me and I caught the jist of what he said. Will add pace, decent in the hair and can hopefully bring a few goals to the side. Very pleased with the signing!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 14, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieheart on August 14, 2011, 11:56:12 AM
Fees irrelevant if he doesn't perform it will be a waste.

If he does well like we hope he will be a snip.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 14, 2011, 07:23:57 PM
Good debut. Plenty of promise and that all important first goal. Well done shane.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2011, 07:26:54 PM
He can be proud of his efforts today, top performance.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 14, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
I thought he did good , yea de gea messed up but he had to trick smalling to get his shot in , ont forget he was against one of the best defenders in Vidic and camel gob, once he is fully fit he will be a great player for us , dosent it feel better now we have more competition upfront , personally i would start him against Chelsea and keep Odem on the bench. Well done Shane .l
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on August 14, 2011, 07:34:21 PM
I would describe his performance as 'busy' he didnt seem phased by the opponents.

He did well to get a shot in for his goal, however he may need to work on certain parts of his control when facing goal but his work with his back to goal was very very good and strong
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: hardtobeat on August 14, 2011, 07:37:41 PM
Agree Dudley whilst watching from afar thought the one thing that may hinder him at this level maybe his first touch all other parts seem to be there on that showing though
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 14, 2011, 08:02:17 PM
Money well spent IMO.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie96 on August 14, 2011, 08:08:44 PM
Top class today. Great signing IMO, with Long and Odemwingie up front we have a strike partnership to hassle any     defence.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: FlashVXR on August 14, 2011, 08:49:50 PM
Well done today Shane, looks to have so much more about him than our other recent so called strikers Bednar and Miller, good luck to those guys when they move on but Shane is no doubt a great addition to the squad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommcneill on August 14, 2011, 08:59:43 PM
played well today

plenty of promise and industry
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbamitch on August 14, 2011, 09:03:49 PM
Looks good, great to start with a goal of course but he also looks like a striker is willing to do the work aswell. If shane can provide both of those qualities consistently we have a good player on our hands, plus he is young so he has time to develop.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 14, 2011, 09:04:11 PM
It's been a while since I have been that impressed with a new signing, I have to say. Normally, keep my feet on the ground with hyping a player up, but he seems to have a great number of aspects to his game. Debut goal will do him the world of good, and he clearly knows he has the fans on his side already, given his reception.

Let's hope it's a sign of things to come. Could well be debut day adrenaline, of course. But I hope not.

Well played lad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on August 14, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
I was impressed, good workrate, good pace, good in the air, likes a tackle, shoots early. He certainly looks promising.

Perhaps the first striker in the Earnshaw, Ellington mould (i.e. out the Championship for a few million quid) that could actually live up the hype? Hope there is more to come.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on August 14, 2011, 09:38:26 PM
Liked the look of him today: busy, pretty quick, not lightening, but fairly quick, chased everything, some nice touches, good movement, got stuck in, pretty strong and not afraid to jump too.  The goal perhaps should have been saved, but a goals a goal.

Myself, I wouldn't go too overboard quite yet though, but its encouraging at least, especially when you  think we have Pete to link up with him too.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Cunningham56 on August 14, 2011, 09:58:38 PM
Not just any debut goal either, scoring against the champions of England and the 2nd best team in Europe. I hope this gives him the confidence to push on and keep it up!

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: brummyroader on August 14, 2011, 10:03:07 PM
Was really impressed with him today, played well and didnt look out of place by any means. Not at all easy to make your debut against Man U and although quite small put his weight about today which was good to see even though he was penalised for no reason at least twice.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BAGGIE5 on August 15, 2011, 12:50:38 AM
I have to say with that work rate , he'l do for me. alround game looks good. I think everyone likes when a player works hard for a team for eg mulumbu.

i just hope theres no burn out.. remember zuvi lol
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBA Brad WBA on August 15, 2011, 02:39:43 AM
Great to see him get a goal against the best team in the league, can't wait for him to play against the weaker teams, just thinking about it is getting me excited!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 15, 2011, 02:15:41 PM
I was very impressed by the lad yesterday, he really did seem to possess all the atributes to make it at this level. He is strong, can hold the ball up, has a good touch, is relatively quick, can finish and is good in the air. He is quite similar to pete however the difference being pete is quicker but long in better in the air so i think to have the two is very good for a club like us. Im quite excited by the quality of our strikers i have to say
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DJ EmmJee on August 15, 2011, 02:17:07 PM
If he keeps that form up against the sides that are not going to be contesting the top 6 places in this league, the lad will be on fire. More than looked comfortable against the Champions. Again, it could well have been derby day adrenaline.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 15, 2011, 02:19:19 PM
If he keeps that form up against the sides that are not going to be contesting the top 6 places in this league, the lad will be on fire. More than looked comfortable against the Champions. Again, it could well have been derby day adrenaline.

That is a good point actually and it is something we as fans have to be careful not to get carried away with his performance and come to expect that every week. But if he is capable of putting a shift like that in every week then we've got a top class forward on our hands
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on August 22, 2011, 12:01:40 PM
Just thought he deserved a thread of his own after his all-round performance on Saturday. It's early days I know but he appears to have made the step up seamlessly.

He obviously has real quality in front of goal but he seems to have many other aspects to his game. His work rate and movement are excellent and for a relatively small man he has a hell of leap on him. Showed a good turn of pace and upper body strength to get away from Alex for his goal as well.

I've been very impressed with him so far, let's hope he can keep it up. The thought of him and Odemwingie up front is a very interesting prospect indeed.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on August 22, 2011, 12:03:16 PM
Yes been very impressed with him so far.  Early days I know but just goes to show that real quality can be found in the Championship.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on August 22, 2011, 12:12:22 PM
Interesting article in brum mail. Hodgdon saying he expects a bigger club than us to come in for him eventually which is true IMO. Great player that's stepped up very well. Interesting season I think with him and Peter up front.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tremtastic on August 22, 2011, 12:22:49 PM
He's been great so far. Hard working, good turn of pace and knows where the goal is.

I'm looking forward to him and Pete playing together.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dubliner on August 22, 2011, 01:13:15 PM
No surprise but the Irish media are raving about his two performances so far.

BTW Anyone still want to compare Long to Danny Graham?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on August 22, 2011, 05:11:44 PM
No surprise but the Irish media are raving about his two performances so far.

BTW Anyone still want to compare Long to Danny Graham?

Not on the evidence of the first 2 games. I still say paying 4.5 million rising to 6.5 million for a player with 1 good season at a lower level, at 24, with 1 year left on his contract is a bit of a gamble, but maybe that's why Ashworth and Hodgson are charged with identifying footballers who are good enough and im stuck working a normal job.

At the moment, he seems like a cracking signing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBoiJono on August 22, 2011, 05:12:34 PM
He proved me wong saturday.. great performance, stength and pace.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on August 22, 2011, 05:39:15 PM
Quality player love him already
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ihsaan on August 22, 2011, 06:27:43 PM
Watching him first harry Alex on the halfway line, then outpace him, then knock him off his feet and finish perfectly was fantastic.  He also seems to be able to win headers against people twice his size.  A very good start...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 22, 2011, 06:43:52 PM
The amount of headers he won Saturday was crazy, what a leap he has! Out pacing and out muscling Alex is no easy feat and also adding the fact he scored a great goal has already converted me to thinking he's going to be great. Could he break Odem's 15 goals.. i reckon he can!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on August 22, 2011, 06:45:19 PM
Torres = 50 million                 Long = 4.5 million
1 goal in 20 games                2 goals in 2 games


 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 22, 2011, 06:46:12 PM
That shove he gave Alex is what shocked me. No-one had mentioned his strength before. Anyone with that much pace who can do that consistently is going to run riot.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieboyjop on August 22, 2011, 07:04:17 PM
He seems to be settling in well. Lets just hope his good work continues
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on August 22, 2011, 07:54:05 PM
Torres = 50 million                 Long = 4.5 million
1 goal in 20 games                2 goals in 2 games


 ;D ;D

I wonder what his market value is now after the first two games against two of the best teams in the Prem ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 22, 2011, 08:02:53 PM
I was a little dubious over Long signing but I have to say, after watching him play, it is clear to see that if he is injury free, he'll be a very successful Prem striker for a long time. Great work by Roy identifying him and getting him here, he is a very complete striker. Just what we needed to give us that extra that we desperatelylacked last season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on August 22, 2011, 08:07:49 PM
I was a bit dubious at first that we were so interested ina player who had just one good championship season under his belt.


After fifteen minutes against United i said to my son,i like him.

i think he has the makings of a really good all round player.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Reddiebaggie on August 22, 2011, 08:38:15 PM
I thought what are these idiots doing paying so much for a lower div player with so little time left on his contact. Yes there's only one idiot here
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 22, 2011, 08:58:32 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 22, 2011, 09:32:22 PM
He can shine against the big boys, but when its the likes of Stoke coming up, will he be able to turn it on?

Thats a question I'm asking of the whole team, tbh.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 22, 2011, 10:14:53 PM
Against United and Chelsea his movement was fantastic, good touch and control, excellent strength for a small lad, decent in the air and his workrate has been exceptional.

If he can keep it up and strike up a good partnership with Odemwingie then they should be a handful for most teams this season. All positive from him so far and I believe he can still improve in time too.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 22, 2011, 10:18:15 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bobcracker on August 22, 2011, 10:20:32 PM
Everything I've seen from him so far, his movement, pace, strength and finish on saturday says to me that this lad will be a goalmachine this season. I think he'll hit 15 goals for sure, and believe me I'm really not the type to go over the top about an Albion player.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on August 22, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
Still very early days, only time will tell, but certainly so far so good.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 22, 2011, 10:28:47 PM

Much better than that peter bloke  :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on August 22, 2011, 11:35:55 PM
That shove he gave Alex is what shocked me. No-one had mentioned his strength before. Anyone with that much pace who can do that consistently is going to run riot.

He was always going to have strength with his multi sport background. I'm just surprised how easy he has fit in and how good he is in the air. With Gera, Scharner and Dawson we might be a threat from set pieces for the first time in years now.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ihsaan on August 22, 2011, 11:57:54 PM
If Shane Long can play this sport: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmzivRetelE&feature=related

Then he should be able to handle the Stoke defenders...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 23, 2011, 12:26:20 AM
I didn't know that about him. He doesn't look imposing, so I assumed he would be susceptible to being pushed around. Hurling looks like lacrosse on steroids.  :o
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: paulosull on August 23, 2011, 12:46:52 AM
I didn't know that about him. He doesn't look imposing, so I assumed he would be susceptible to being pushed around. Hurling looks like lacrosse on steroids.  :o
strong as an ox very good upper body strength look how stong he was against alex no worries from me.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommcneill on August 23, 2011, 02:21:41 AM
Have too say I'm very impressed so far....

Was sceptical about the signing as I thought 4.5m in total was a fair price but he has shown real quality in the 2 games...his goal at chelsea although a keeper error to some extent was still put wide enough to force the error I still think it was a good finish myself and the way he knocked Alex off was a good sign of his strength....

Liking it
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: chipperclark on August 23, 2011, 04:43:32 AM
 ;D Can see 30 goals from Long, Pete and Tchoyi this season easily...plus what Gera, Mulumbu, Dorrans,Morrison,Scharner and Brunt can get.

I was also one of those doubters who thought that we paid too much for a Championship player....now I will eat my hat....after I have taken it off for Shane Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 23, 2011, 09:42:46 AM
Interesting article in brum mail. Hodgdon saying he expects a bigger club than us to come in for him eventually which is true IMO. Great player that's stepped up very well. Interesting season I think with him and Peter up front.


Jeremy no doubt rubbing his hands
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Political Cake on August 23, 2011, 02:22:33 PM
Jeremy no doubt rubbing his hands

How does this always seem to happen with everything he does. :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2011, 09:38:35 AM
Talking to Alan Brazil on Talk Sport right now
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 26, 2011, 12:42:46 PM
Talking to Alan Brazil on Talk Sport right now

Did he say much, Devon? So far, I've been really impressed with the lad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on August 26, 2011, 12:54:18 PM
http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/sports-breakfast/blog/2011-08-26/long-im-learning-quickly-play-premier-league

Interview here.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 02, 2011, 11:19:34 AM
Ruled out of ROI's game with a calf injury  ???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 02, 2011, 12:09:00 PM
Still talk of him possibly being on the bench and going to Russia on Tuesday. Light calf strain.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/0902/longs.html
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on September 03, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
Ruled out for Russia game aswell now !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 03, 2011, 02:36:21 PM
i wish we knew more, i.e whether he will be back sunday week for the game. gotta be a doubt now :(
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 03, 2011, 02:36:42 PM
Ruled out for Russia game aswell now !


Never mind eh we can always rely on Fortune next weekend
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Avonbaggie on September 03, 2011, 04:28:16 PM
Bednar + Fortune upfront = WIN !  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on September 03, 2011, 04:41:54 PM

Never mind eh we can always rely on Fortune next weekend

Thank God it's not a home game - he would probably be booed from the first whistle.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 03, 2011, 05:03:07 PM
Think it better Long misses the trip to Russia with his calf strain. think it only a short term knock. IF it was a home game he might be more likely to be involved.
On yesterday's performance, as a Republic of Ireland I hope Cox starts ahead of Doyle.  Poorest I seen Kevin Doyle play. Skretel had him in his pocket and Doyle resorted to giving away cheap frees and himself and Keane kept pulling out wide leaving no one threaten in the box.
Much better play when Cox came in, some good touches and almost on scoresheet.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on September 05, 2011, 12:12:26 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2011, 01:16:09 PM
We might be sweating on a few others after the weeks internationals.Wouldnt it be hilarious if Ollson come back knackered
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 05, 2011, 01:21:53 PM
He was on the bench for Sweden on Saturday, so lets hope for the same tomorrow!  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 05, 2011, 02:12:41 PM
Ah come on lads, it cant be that bad surely, we need you both!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on September 05, 2011, 02:57:55 PM
We might be sweating on a few others after the weeks internationals.Wouldnt it be hilarious if Ollson come back knackered
yeah it would be really funny. i dont think.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: jjb0rdell0 on September 05, 2011, 03:02:47 PM
I guess we'll see how Cox and tchoyi partner up...their goalie got red carded last match though, im sure their second  choice isn't up to much
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: greggy8689 on September 05, 2011, 03:52:32 PM
I guess we'll see how Cox and tchoyi partner up...their goalie got red carded last match though, im sure their second  choice isn't up to much

Where is Odemwingie?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2011, 03:54:44 PM
Where is Odemwingie?


Sill doubtful
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 05, 2011, 06:23:18 PM
It is still 6 days away so im hopeful at least one of them will be fit for the norwich clash. if so, and we are all safe and sound from internationals, we can breathe a sigh of relief for at least a week :p
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on September 06, 2011, 02:40:27 PM
Shane Long 50/50 chance

Sir Pete Fully Fit :D :D :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on September 06, 2011, 03:36:52 PM
Shane Long 50/50 chance

Sir Pete Fully Fit :D :D :D

Can't wait too see Long and Odemwingie start together, hope it's saturday!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on September 06, 2011, 03:38:58 PM
Can't wait too see Long and Odemwingie start together, hope it's saturday!


Well it aint going to be Saturday that is for sure ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on September 06, 2011, 03:39:07 PM
Can't wait too see Long and Odemwingie start together, hope it's saturday!

We're playing Monday just in case you were planning a trip to Norwich :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on September 06, 2011, 03:42:57 PM
We're playing Monday just in case you were planning a trip to Norwich :D


Are we all on something here :D we play Sunday
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on September 06, 2011, 03:53:00 PM
of course, hence me booking sunday off work....i originally booked off saturday my brain doesnt wanna let go of the fact that its not a saturday game......back to my original point, hope to see long and pete together SUNDAY!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 06, 2011, 04:15:09 PM
got my tickets today, apparently we have sold about 800 so far, so i would imagine we will sell about 1000/1200 by the time sunday comes around. i got a ticket right in the corner so decided i would go in and try and get it as central as possible. Got block g which aint too bad. Lets go out and win this one boys
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: hardtobeat on September 06, 2011, 06:08:12 PM

Sill doubtful
Beginning to think thats his middle name!!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 09, 2011, 03:10:53 PM
Both he and Pete are  fit i am hearing?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on September 09, 2011, 03:13:43 PM
Yep, on the OS now :D i doubt they'll both start up front though, maybe one of them and tchoyi, and the other on the bench.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 09, 2011, 04:16:57 PM
GREAT NEWS!! Him and Odem up front will have Prem defenders shaking in their boots!  ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on September 21, 2011, 11:43:04 PM
He's done fairly well so far, but one thing I don't get, is that Roy stated publicly that a club with our limited finances can't afford to duplicate similar types of players.  We then spent a fortune (for us) on Long, who so far to me seems like a mix between Pete and Cox.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on September 21, 2011, 11:46:37 PM
GREAT NEWS!! Him and Odem up front will have Prem defenders shaking in their boots!  ;)
Not with our midfield creating **** all for them to feed off they wont ! ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on September 22, 2011, 09:02:02 AM
Odememwingie slightly selfish streak in him. Long very unselfish hard working player. For them to click fully Odemwingie needs to adjust his thinking a liitle bit in certain situations. thats what i think
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: garry on September 24, 2011, 09:39:15 PM
Apart from a slightly fortunate goal against ManU and a brilliant goal against Chelsea, what has he done?
He's had 7 hours+ now, so I don't think it unfair to start to ask a few questions.
He's too lightweight imo, goes down too easily, has a poor first touch, and can't hold up the ball.
It's clear The O and he haven't clicked.
His attempt at conning the ref for a penalty this afternoon was embarrassing.
His history is similar to Cox: scored a shed load of goals at a lower level.
Cox was 'forced' to convert to midfield to accommodate our then 451 style.
Is Long keeping his place due to his performances or because of his price tag?
I'm starting to have doubts.
Shoot me down , but I think we're about due a Long thread.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 24, 2011, 09:51:21 PM
I still think he is adjusting to the Premiership.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on September 24, 2011, 09:56:09 PM
Fully understand it takes time to adjust but his movement needs some work,far too static at times and for me too much like Pete at the minute.Its Groves/Sneekes all over again! :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on September 24, 2011, 09:57:56 PM
I stand by the posts I made in the thread about him in the transfer section of the forum.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: garry on September 24, 2011, 10:03:11 PM
I stand by the posts I made in the thread about him in the transfer section of the forum.
Please repeat here briefly.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 17GD on September 24, 2011, 10:03:34 PM
I wouldn't say the Man U goal was lucky, it was a shot and it went in. The keeper was blindsided and Long used that to his advantage. Chelsea goal was down to perseverance.

I think he needs a bit of time. At the moment, the whole team is under-performing. I think he's doing quite well with the service he's getting and the positions he is being put in by Roy.

I'd prefer him to have a steady season, than have 10 goals in the first 5 games and then not score again all season. If he get's 10-15 goals this season then I'll be happy. (As long as Odemwingie also gets 10-15 lol).
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on September 24, 2011, 10:08:23 PM
Please repeat here briefly.

He's overrated and a cheat.

Right, time for bed!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: east-stand-nick on September 24, 2011, 10:18:07 PM
The biggest gripe I have about him is that he's a diver. I hate divers, no matter what shirt they play in. Hope he gets booked in future to snap him out of it. Don't want cheats playing in the stripes thanks.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 24, 2011, 10:20:23 PM
Works hard, wins plenty in the air only to find no-one near him to pick up the flick-on.

Looked much better with Tchoyi around him than he does with Odemwingie.

Is he a success or failure ? too early to say.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on September 24, 2011, 11:14:58 PM
I like him.

Clever little player,works hard,tries to win the ball back when he loses it(unlike Odem),better in the air than Pete and not bad at passing and laying the ball off.

Strange how we all go to the same game but see different things.

I'll put my neck out and say he will be a good player for us.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on September 24, 2011, 11:18:00 PM
I like him.

Clever little player,works hard,tries to win the ball back when he loses it(unlike Odem)

Pete's work ethic last season was largely very good, on the whole he ran his socks off!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on September 24, 2011, 11:21:24 PM
Petes a confidence player,notice how he suddenly stops running when he loses the ball or how his head goes down when he misses a chance.

A goal would do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on September 24, 2011, 11:24:49 PM
Petes a confidence player,notice how he suddenly stops running when he loses the ball or how his head goes down when he misses a chance.

A goal would do him the world of good.

If you played for a pub team, played as a striker who outperformed all their expectations one year, taking them to beyond they could ever expect,  by scoring a record number of goals one year, breaking the team goal scoring record ever.

How would you feel the following season when, for no reason,  you are immediately dropped as the teams striker, before being given a fair chance...

Would you feel too energetic?!  I doubt it.

I make that point because we all have egos, least of all these professional prima donna footballers.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on September 24, 2011, 11:32:07 PM
Good point.

This is a Shane long thread though.  ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on September 24, 2011, 11:43:12 PM
Good point.

This is a Shane long thread though.  ;)

The only defense for Long right now is that he works harder than Pete, though in defense of Odemwingie, he worked as hard, if not harder than Long in many games last season.  The guy ran his socks off at times last season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on September 24, 2011, 11:50:54 PM
Thats  true,but last season has gone.

I agree that he is not being played in his best position and he and Long can't play together,they are too much alike.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on September 24, 2011, 11:54:00 PM
Looked much better with Tchoyi around him than he does with Odemwingie.

Would have to see more of it, but I liked the look of Tchoyi and Long too.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crisoWBA on September 25, 2011, 12:28:49 AM
IF we're going to play 4 4 2, it should be Long & Cox as they're both pacey and never give up.
I fully rate Shane Long, he has a great work ethic & about the diving, yea it's lame, but if it wins us games i dont really care, the other teams dont care, they do it to us, its the Premier League, its tough so you gotta do what you gotta do!!
I really like him, those 2 goals we're great goals. People are entitled to opinions but people need to support the players more, theyre human beings and have no doubt they read this stuff & it'd knock their confidence just like it would with anybody.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on September 25, 2011, 12:34:52 AM
IF we're going to play 4 4 2, it should be Long & Cox as they're both pacey and never give up.

They well may never give up, but I'm not sure they are both strictly that pacey, especially Cox.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on September 25, 2011, 01:15:27 AM
Neither Long nor Cox are pacey. Odemwingie is pacey and mobile in contrast, he is able to get past defenders with his speed and acceleration and quickness.

Last season Peter was a one man attack force, and I think we would be better served with that setup again. If Peter is unavailable, then we build around Long possibly with Tchoyi supporting.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on September 25, 2011, 07:57:45 AM
Long has had to do quite a bit of jumping against bigger defenders with balls being pumped up to him. He hasn't had many quality through balls to feed off. Made his own chance against Chelsea.
Could have scored against Stoke but for brilliant point blank save. Think he could get on the end of quality crosses, but not too many of those about - fullbacks don't get forward, Thomas doesn't get to by-line. Service is essential as for any striker.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on September 25, 2011, 10:05:41 AM
Does anyone know how long Shane is?  :D

I read somewhere that he was 5'11".

Never in this world,Astle was that height.I know memory plays tricks but i would swear Jeff was taller than him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: garry on September 25, 2011, 11:44:16 AM
IF we're going to play 4 4 2, it should be Long & Cox as they're both pacey and never give up.
I fully rate Shane Long, he has a great work ethic & about the diving, yea it's lame, but if it wins us games i don't really care, the other teams don't care, they do it to us, its the Premier League, its tough so you gotta do what you gotta do!!
I really like him, those 2 goals we're great goals. People are entitled to opinions but people need to support the players more, they're human beings and have no doubt they read this stuff & it'd knock their confidence just like it would with anybody.
I don't really go with that.
A player knows if he's playing well or badly - he doesn't need to read a forum to tell him.
If a player has a thin skin then he'd be best advised never to read any forums or newspapers.
If a player makes a mistake on the pitch then the crowd will let him know.  Does that not knock his confidence?  Perhaps the crowd better keep quiet when a player makes a mistake in that case.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on September 25, 2011, 11:47:32 AM
When you look at it, he's actually played more games in the Prem than Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 01, 2011, 11:18:07 PM
Long and his diving, does it bother you?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on October 01, 2011, 11:26:11 PM
No, when in rome.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 01, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
We haven't qualified for Europe quite yet. :) :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggiejules on October 01, 2011, 11:57:25 PM
Would probably prefer it if he didn't but then again if he is going to keep scoring goals then I'm not going to complain.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bubz on October 02, 2011, 12:17:32 AM
No, it might one game win us a penalty which I'll be happy about obviously, as long as Odemwingie doesn't take it. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crisoWBA on October 02, 2011, 12:39:02 AM
No don't care, at all. Thats the thing with Baggies were too nice, Reidy could of easily of got Cattemole sent off today but didn't he kept cool and didn't go mental at the referee, maybe he believes in karma? but you can bet your life if it was the other way around the Sunderland players would of been going spare.

I don't care if Long dives, he's scoring goals, i ain't that sad to nit pick at little things, especially from our leading goalscorer.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 02, 2011, 12:46:47 AM

I don't care if Long dives, he's scoring goals, i ain't that sad to nit pick at little things, especially from our leading goalscorer.

'Nit pick?'

Diving is a huge issue in the wider game right now and one that many argue is totally ruining it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggiejules on October 02, 2011, 12:51:45 AM
The one thing I hate more than diving though is seeing players surrounding the referee bullying them into making a decision go their way. The way Lucas was doing it today for the Rodwell red card made me sick to my stomach. To be honest if we did start doing that it would bother me quite alot.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 02, 2011, 01:24:09 AM
The one thing I hate more than diving though is seeing players surrounding the referee bullying them into making a decision go their way. The way Lucas was doing it today for the Rodwell red card made me sick to my stomach. To be honest if we did start doing that it would bother me quite alot.

What is totally anathema to me is to see players like Lucas doing that, and then King Kenny etc actually seem to think they won it fair and square... To me it would feel tainted to win after such cheating/absurd referee decisions.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on October 02, 2011, 01:27:53 AM
Not really. Every other bugger does it, so why shouldn't our players?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Smooth Lad on October 02, 2011, 03:42:51 AM
If people are going to say it's ok, you can't really stand up and have a fit at another teams' player diving.

I hate Rooney for a penalty he won England a few years back which was a blatent dive.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on October 02, 2011, 10:45:53 AM
Everyone else does it and has an edge over us because they're clever enough to con the referee into giving them decisions. If you can't beat them, join them.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on October 02, 2011, 11:01:32 AM
It does bother me but we are in the Premier League and it seems like the done thing to do.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on October 02, 2011, 11:04:59 AM
No.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on October 02, 2011, 11:08:14 AM
Longs diving is typical of the old english/british style of diving ie. a clip of the heals when a player is near unlike the european type diving and rolling like being shot.

Yes both are wrong, does it bother me not entirely.

Horsfield used to be a master at the diving that Long does
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on October 02, 2011, 11:10:01 AM
Well it seems I'm in the minority as I find it embarrassing and cringeworthy. The man is a cheat, and a dire one at that.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on October 02, 2011, 11:16:30 AM
So was Bob Taylor, Geoff Horsfield, Pesch, Hughes, Roberts they were all the same and all were a success here
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 02, 2011, 11:17:00 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on October 02, 2011, 11:27:19 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 02, 2011, 11:55:50 AM
If he is diving then the referee should deal with it. If he is falling over easy when he gets clipped, why is there an obligation for him to stay on his feet?

Funniest bit of refereeing I ever saw was when the defender stuck his leg out and the striker fell over it to then be told by the ref that he should have jumped over it!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on October 02, 2011, 12:20:06 PM
It bothers me in the sense that he does it too much and the end result is usually no free kick and the opposition having the ball. If he dives a few times and it does not work why try the same dive over and over again? He needs to stay on his feet more and use his physicality that he has shown already he has.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieheart on October 02, 2011, 12:22:12 PM
I don't like it to be honest.

One of the reasons I never really warmed to Kamara.

As Baggies says not sure why he does it, doesn't seem to ever work.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bubz on October 02, 2011, 01:18:26 PM
Just want to praise him for how he's started with us really, he gives 100% every game, creates chances for himself and his link up play is also decent. Whilst Odemwingie spends the games sulking for whatever reason, Long just gets on with it and it's paid off 3 times already and he should really have more goals to his name (Swansea away).

If we are going to go 451, then it is Odemwingie we should drop not Long. Long out of all our 'attacking' players is the first name on the team sheet at the moment for me.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on October 02, 2011, 01:49:35 PM
3 goals in 7 games is a very good return and his all round play is decent. Hopefully there's more to come from him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on October 02, 2011, 01:56:11 PM
A good player , he is still learning and will only get better , he might not score some games but at least he will work for everything unlike  lazy pete , you could say he is very similar to kevin doyle at wolves . I would like to see him and tchoyi upfront again it seemed to work quite well.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 02, 2011, 02:34:42 PM
I don't think there is a need to start a 'lazy' campaign against Pete. Long is sharper and playing better yes, but he also has a running start on Pete with having started the season earlier with Reading and Pete coming back from injury.

We need both in form over the season and to me a pissing contest between them won't help. I just hope that Peter finds his form sooner rather than later.

Long has started well yes but he looks mostly a poacher to me apart from working hard. He cannot do some things that Pete do naturally.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 02, 2011, 03:08:08 PM
Long is doing the business. I'm very happy with him and if honest was a bit so-so about his purchase, so i'm happy to be proven wrong.

Pete isn't "lazy", he's very mood driven, not as in he's not in the mood, he can't be bothered, it's more he gets down on himself. Just watch, he'll have a match we're it all goes well and he gets two, then he'll be unstoppable for a while. It was the missed Pen that screwed him over. That's twice he's missed a pen and had a dip in form following. He should never be allowed to take a pen again, no matter what.

The midfield are missing a man and are taking time getting used to it. It'll come, hopefully...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on October 02, 2011, 03:22:35 PM
The problem is if Pete is that 'mood' driven he will struggle if we have a more consistant striker, I know that sounds daft as he scored 15 last season  but those 15 came in bursts rather than consistant scoring. At the moment Long is showing he can score regularly and produce the performances.

Pete may need to change his mindset if he is too permanently oust Long as our main forward this season
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 02, 2011, 03:35:22 PM
The problem is if Pete is that 'mood' driven he will struggle if we have a more consistant striker, I know that sounds daft as he scored 15 last season  but those 15 came in bursts rather than consistant scoring. At the moment Long is showing he can score regularly and produce the performances.

Pete may need to change his mindset if he is too permanently oust Long as our main forward this season

Those burst scores kept us up last season. I don't see it as a problem really, it is human and Pete is Pete. We will just have to use him properly, which imo we are not atm, which doesnt help his struggle for form.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBA Brad WBA on October 02, 2011, 03:57:10 PM
Still not happy with him atm, he can finish, but thats about it. Doesn't contribute to other chances/goals and his movement and hold up play needs to be improved.





And to stay on his feet!  :o
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rolfestreet on October 02, 2011, 05:01:17 PM
Still not happy with him atm, he can finish, but thats about it. Doesn't contribute to other chances/goals and his movement and hold up play needs to be improved.


Jesus Christ at least the lad has scored a few goals and works his backside off, pete is both selfish and lazy being in the mood is a rubbish excuse for some of his missed chances and attitude this season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on October 02, 2011, 05:10:07 PM
Those bursts did keep us up however Long will score the same and be more consistant

Sorry but the fact Odemwingie only does it in bursts is just why Roy will select Long over him at the moment.

Long from even this early stage seems to have a good eye for goal and a better all round technique than Pete, its now upto Odemwingie to adapt his game now to suit our system
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rolfestreet on October 02, 2011, 05:26:30 PM
Long is great at nicking agoal out of nothing he is a natural goal scorer and at the moment is first choice striker, After Pete's no show yesterday big Somen must be sitting on the bench puzzled as to why he can't get a starting place.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 02, 2011, 06:56:45 PM
Those bursts did keep us up however Long will score the same and be more consistant

Sorry but the fact Odemwingie only does it in bursts is just why Roy will select Long over him at the moment.

Long from even this early stage seems to have a good eye for goal and a better all round technique than Pete, its now upto Odemwingie to adapt his game now to suit our system

Hm, I don't think either Long or our new system is an improvement over our system last year. Long has scored three opportunistic goals yes, but other than that he hasn't done much other than run a lot and fall over a lot.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on October 02, 2011, 07:04:44 PM
His hold up play which on the whole is very good coupled with his high workrate. I surely am not the only person who appreciates that part of Longs game

Our new system is the part up for debate in my view however with a fit Gera in the side I feel the system will improve.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rolfestreet on October 02, 2011, 07:05:41 PM
Hm, I don't think either Long or our new system is an improvement over our system last year. Long has scored three opportunistic goals yes, but other than that he hasn't done much other than run a lot and fall over a lot.
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And what has odemwingie done?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rolfestreet on October 02, 2011, 07:07:47 PM
442 wasn't the problem yesterday in the first twenty odd minutes we were attacking scored two goals and caused problems trying to sit back on that lead was the reason they got back in the game.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 02, 2011, 07:09:55 PM
I've been delighted with his finishes, both finishes against Chelsea and Sunderland were indeed very good finishes. His work rate is admirable, however, I expect every player who plays for us to give 100% no matter what. He's actually showing Odemwingie up in some ways, his touch yesterday was much better, as was is hold up player. Whether Long and Odemwingie can form some partnership, well, I'm sure we'll find out eventually.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rolfestreet on October 02, 2011, 07:14:06 PM
This is the point about long, i expect every player representing our club to give 100% and yesterday he was one of a few who did. Pete yesterday angered me when instead of passing the ball for the benefit of the team chose to hang onto it and create nothing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 02, 2011, 08:00:57 PM
Pete scored a goal or provided an assist every 117.7 mins last season. Long is currently on one every 208.3 mins.

Just saying. :D

Strangely enough, if Wingie scores in the next game (and Long fails to do so) he'll go ahead of Long in mins played to goals scored this season.  It's a funny old game. :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on October 02, 2011, 08:57:13 PM
Shane Long...huge potential as a premiership footballer. Still got a quite a bit to learn. For sure hes not the finished article but he has all the tools to be a really great player. Just my opinion but I see quite a bit of Wayne Rooney in him. Great all round ability and a superb workrate. Can see him going to one of the hitters in a few years.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 02, 2011, 09:06:10 PM
It looks like he is capable of stepping into a prem team and scoring, so let's hope he carries on improving. I'm more worried about Odems performances at the moment seems a shadow of the player he was last year hopefully he just needs match time.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: alex1 on October 02, 2011, 09:18:18 PM
It needs to be stamped out of the game. If each club makes excuses for its own players, playacting and diving will go from bad to worse. That's why I'd be happy if Albion players got booked if there was a blatant dive. 
Otherwise the game will be devalued as a spectacle and won't be worth watching.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 02, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
No, it doesn't bother me, since everyone seems to do it. Yes, I would prefer he didn't. Most of all what I would like is for refs to produce many more bookings for diving, even at the risk of penalising the innocent.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 02, 2011, 09:31:16 PM
I thought he took his goal very well Yesterday.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on October 02, 2011, 10:06:14 PM
Dont' think its just Long actually - noticed Cox at the end of last season and lets face it Reid went down pretty easily for the penalty v Norwich - is it a Roy thing ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dubya BA on October 02, 2011, 10:44:43 PM
If I was a Premier League ref reading this I would think 'mmm it seems that even the Albion fans are agreed that Long is a cheat, I wont stand for it when I ref their game'.

Referees, players and fans should judge each situation for it's own merits not based on hearsay, rumour or reputation. It seems to me like we are shooting ourselves in the foot with this thread.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 02, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
Then Roy just has to go out and do a King Kenny lobbying campaign to get the refs on his side again...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2011, 11:00:44 PM
Ideally you wouldn't want him too,  but its hard to play the moral high ground - and in all honesty there'd be a good chance it'd cost us safety if we did. Take Horsfield for instance, without him going down very, very easily against Man U in the great escape season we'd have lost that game and gone down.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on October 03, 2011, 12:23:55 AM
If I was a Premier League ref reading this I would think 'mmm it seems that even the Albion fans are agreed that Long is a cheat, I wont stand for it when I ref their game'.

Referees, players and fans should judge each situation for it's own merits not based on hearsay, rumour or reputation. It seems to me like we are shooting ourselves in the foot with this thread.
Don't think a PL reff would read these boards though  :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 03, 2011, 12:56:11 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2011, 02:07:47 AM
it annoys me very much so i dont like seeing any players doing it regardless of club
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2011, 02:18:30 AM
i think hes very much a not as good version of odemwingie
he can finish and has good movement and is not bad in the air for his size and also runs his socks off

odemwingie was one of our main assist makers last year! they both make the same runs off the last man, i think you have to play one or the other. long is scoring so i guess you keep him in
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 03, 2011, 02:32:15 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionLegend on October 03, 2011, 06:23:53 PM
Interesting article CL just posted: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/oct/03/premier-league-chalkboard-analysis

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Long and Odemwingie barely have a partnership. Long (No9) and Odemwingie (No 24) completed only one pass to the other in the entire match.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on October 03, 2011, 06:35:25 PM
Adds weight to thje theory put forward by some that the Long Odemwingie partnership isnt going to work. Id like to see Tchoyi back for the Wolves game if im honest.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: timdon on October 03, 2011, 06:42:56 PM
At the moment it certainly looks like 2 individuals working individually, rather than a twin strikeforce. The statistics certainly seem to back this up. This is a training issue and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. The main strength of playing 442 depends on this understanding of the 2 front men and the forging of an effective partnership. At present they look like they are 2 individuals playing as the lone front man. Shane is where Pete would like to be, and vice versa, and they just dont seem to have built up any rapport yet. early days maybe, but a bit worrying nonetheless.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbamitch on October 03, 2011, 08:49:27 PM
Yes it immensely annoys me, he does it far too much, at least once a game which makes him bad as  Ronaldo, Drogba, Suarez etc..

It is spoiling in the game and not something i want to see especially from our own players. The reason why it carries on is because refs are not consistent enough in giving bookings for it, yet they book people for celebrating with their own fans.

Crazy  ???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MulumbuPower! on October 03, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
 They are two different things going down softly and diving. Reid went down softly for his penalty but hey the opposing player shouldn't have given him to opportunity, so I'm more 50/50 on the jncident. However when I watched it on MotD later I was a lil embarassed though.

From what I've seen Longs dives are different and it seems he had a bit of a reputation at Reading for his acting skills. That I can not stand. It's a disgrace on the club and the fans. If we cant win fairly then we don't deserve the win simple as. At the end of the day its a game. If the playersare not good enough to win fairly then they should give it up and get another job.

While I'm we're on the subject I've never been so livid with a pundit as I have been with Shearer when he says that forwards have the right to look for spot kicks by diving. I remember MotD got loads of stick for it at the time but months on is still gets to me. Completely wrong mentality to be setting out to aspiring young players who listen to him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on October 03, 2011, 09:32:37 PM
The service from behind hasn't been great - mainly hoof balls from Foster / Reid which suits neither of them.
Strange one this because the good part of the Long signing  is that he is there if Pete gets injured / African nations duty - without Long being there we would have been threadbare if Pete was unavailable at any time.
Think we have to give this time - Pete still needs games. Think they both like balls in the channels which they are not getting many of - 2 of Longs goals have been self created. Long could be dangerous from wipped in crosses also - but again precious few of those as its tending to be the long ball from our own half.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 04, 2011, 09:55:52 AM
While I'm we're on the subject I've never been so livid with a pundit as I have been with Shearer when he says that forwards have the right to look for spot kicks by diving. I remember MotD got loads of stick for it at the time but months on is still gets to me. Completely wrong mentality to be setting out to aspiring young players who listen to him.

They certainly don't have the right to just cheat.

However, if you use the Steven Reid example against Norwich there was clear contact from a clumsy challenge and Reid made the most of it and got a penalty. A Blackpool player last season told about a referee coming to see them and discuss why decisions had been made for and against them including plenty of penalty appeals turned down, they were told that if they feel any contact then go down and make it easy for the referee to make the decision rather than be honest and try to stay on your feet. In my opinion that is what Reid did and most of the time what Long does as there is usually always that little bit of contact and he makes the most of it, its down to the referee to decide if there was enough to give a foul or if he was cheating and deal with it accordingly.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on October 04, 2011, 11:37:40 AM
Still not happy with him atm, he can finish, but thats about it. Doesn't contribute to other chances/goals and his movement and hold up play needs to be improved.





And to stay on his feet!  :o
Wow thats all i have to say!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on October 04, 2011, 12:33:26 PM
Does the job we employed him for which is to put the ball in the net when in front of goal. The issue is that he has had little or no service to put him in front of goal from our midfield because of the change in formation. Even the goal on saturday against Sunderland was a deflection from a tackle.
Its precisely those sorts of balls that our midfiled should be putting through for Long to feed off. Problem is our midfield is 60 yards away and having to hoof balls instead of feeding passes through for him to run onto and pop in the onion bag !!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mister AT on October 04, 2011, 12:37:42 PM
Been impressed with him so far, hope he keeps up the good work, could end up with 10 goals this season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie_1 on October 06, 2011, 09:08:57 PM
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/307913_10150297425991324_551376323_8184461_1432375438_n.jpg) 

something i put together the other day
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: greggy8689 on October 07, 2011, 10:37:37 AM
Still not happy with him atm, he can finish, but thats about it. Doesn't contribute to other chances/goals and his movement and hold up play needs to be improved.

And to stay on his feet!  :o

Can't believe I have read this.

Look at his goals Chelsea scrapped for the ball with Alex shrugged him off scored, United was done all on his own, Sunderland from a loose pass common factor.... he has to create the chances for himself, would be nice if the midfield actually contributed with a few passes to him so that he can have a chance. His hold up play is better than PO by a country mile in my opinion. Wins more headers then PO and given the time I would say he is a better finisher, 1 on 1 would prefer Long over Odemwingie, see Fulham
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on October 07, 2011, 04:34:18 PM
Until our performances start to improve and we start to get more of a grip on games, we will not be able to truly say what Longs skills are. So far he looks good on the shoulder of the defender and he looks good at winning balls in the air he has no right to win, all while maybe being too weak (more down to him going down to easy rather than a lack of muscle). The reason he has shown those abilities is that we have played the ball up in the air to him a lot while also in all but 1 game this season having played very deep and almost counter attack tactics.

Once we start to play more football and have a few games where we are on top then we will get to see what else he can do.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on October 07, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
Interesting to hear him say that at Reading he got a lot of balls in the channels but at West Brom he gets it to feet more (obviously didn't want to mention hopeful hoofs up to him).
If we can settle down and pass a bit more and get more balls into the channels for him and Pete, it will probably help both.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 08, 2011, 11:50:46 AM
I really think that there's a lot more to come from Shane Long. Good in the air, confident and good finisher, excellent work ethic and a real team player. Once Pete gets his head off the floor (or out of his ass) and starts playing with him there could be a lot of goals.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 08, 2011, 05:39:23 PM
No ANC for Odemwingie now, so Long needs to keep up the workrate. I'd take Pete over Long every day of the week... Class is permanent and all that!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MarkW on October 08, 2011, 05:46:06 PM
No ANC for Odemwingie now, so Long needs to keep up the workrate. I'd take Pete over Long every day of the week... Class is permanent and all that!

That makes the assumption that Pete has class....
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 08, 2011, 05:47:26 PM
Pete is a class player no denying it but even class players have to earn their place in a team and if that class player is not putting the performance in then like any other he should be left out and have to earn his place back when the chance comes up.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: fletchboing on October 08, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
Shane Long ........... this guy has the ability to be a baggies legend, he's a natural goalscorer. Trouble is, if he starts showing true form how long will he remain a baggie?  ::)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on October 08, 2011, 08:19:26 PM
Shane Long ........... this guy has the ability to be a baggies legend, he's a natural goalscorer. Trouble is, if he starts showing true form how long will he remain a baggie?  ::)
Will happily worry about that when the time comes...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on October 09, 2011, 03:42:25 AM
No ANC for Odemwingie now, so Long needs to keep up the workrate. I'd take Pete over Long every day of the week... Class is permanent and all that!
Form is better then pedagree imo!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 09, 2011, 05:02:28 AM
'Form'?

People seem to forget that Long was pretty anonymous himself in the game before last, he's had other anemic performances this season too, and we've not played that many games.

That's not to say that he perhaps doesn't deserve to start over Pete right now. 

Credit to him for the 3 goals (though no assists), but in truth I think he's largely getting great plaudits right now because nearly everyone else is playing so shockingly bad.

Anyway, it's still too early days either way to judge him properly in my eyes, we need to see more.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on October 09, 2011, 06:53:48 AM
'Form'?

People seem to forget that Long was pretty anonymous himself in the game before last, he's had other anemic performances this season too, and we've not played that many games.

That's not to say that he perhaps doesn't deserve to start over Pete right now. 

Credit to him for the 3 goals (though no assists), but in truth I think he's largely getting great plaudits right now because nearly everyone else is playing so shockingly bad.

Anyway, it's still too early days either way to judge him properly in my eyes, we need to see more.
Well disreguard both pedigrees
would you rather a forward that had scored 3 goals or 0?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 09, 2011, 04:50:52 PM
Well disreguard both pedigrees
would you rather a forward that had scored 3 goals or 0?

Odemwingie's scored this season.  He scored the only goal in our only win this season.  He's also only played 375 minutes this season to Long's 625 minutes on the pitch.

On top of that Odemwingie has often been played out wide as a winger this season, so naturally is going to get less of a chance to score.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 09, 2011, 05:10:11 PM
Stats so far this season

Goals and assists per minute

Player              Minutes played   Goals   Assists   Average (Min)
1 Shane Long                625               3         0        208.3
2 Chris Brunt                 476                0        2        238.0
3 Peter Odemwingie      375                1         0        375.0
4 James Morrison          473                1         0        473.0
5 Nicky Shorey              630                 0         1        630.0

(Last season)
1 Peter Odemwingie       2680               15         9     111.7
2 Somen Tchoyi               815                 6          1       116.4


I'd like to see us give Long and Tchoyi another go as a strike partnership, I think it showed promise early on this season.  I'd like to see Pete again played his role he was so successful for us in last year too.  Either way, it doesn't look like the Pete and Long pairing is working right now to me,  at least not while Pete is so clearly off form.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on October 16, 2011, 07:39:37 PM
Brilliant Just Brillliant. I said earlier on this thread that i thought he could become a really outstanding PL player and that he reminded me just a little bit of one wayne rooney with his all round ability. He did nothing today to change my mind one bit! worth the price of admission alone
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 16, 2011, 08:01:22 PM
He is just brilliant. so quick, strong, great in the air and great finisher. he has everything. a true, complete centre forward. what a signing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieJames114 on October 16, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
Roger Johnson will be having nightmares about Shane Long, he just couldn't cope. Longs best performance so far. Hopefully he does the same to Richard Dunne next week
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WSBaggie on October 16, 2011, 08:42:55 PM
A superb performance from him today. We could have a real gem on our hands here.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: gerry m on October 16, 2011, 08:52:35 PM
to be honest when i first heard we were after him i hoped we would not buy him! im bloody glad to be proved wrong :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on October 16, 2011, 09:11:00 PM
Much better than I thought he would be this early in his career.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on October 16, 2011, 09:20:50 PM
His movement is coming on very well,after being a bit static early games he is now pulling defenders all over.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GAZZER on October 16, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
Outstanding performance, long may it continue and I think it will.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: botters on October 16, 2011, 09:43:16 PM
I really think that Shane Long is improving rapidly,he said that he is having to get used to a different style of play than he was used to at Reading, where he was a run the channels type of striker, with us he is playing much more of a target man role, i never thought he was that good in the air, he gave Johnson and Berra, two much taller players a real aerial challenge.       
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on October 16, 2011, 09:48:07 PM
Easily worth 10 million now as well.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 16, 2011, 09:49:37 PM
I really think that Shane Long is improving rapidly,he said that he is having to get used to a different style of play than he was used to at Reading, where he was a run the channels type of striker, with us he is playing much more of a target man role, i never thought he was that good in the air, he gave Johnson and Berra, two much taller players a real aerial challenge.     

Being willing and able to make that switch, and make it so quickly, is extremely impressive. He's a phenomenal athlete with an attitude to match.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: overseas baggie on October 16, 2011, 10:43:54 PM
Easily worth 10 million now as well.

I agree, and too many more performances like today will soon have the big clubs circling. 

He's been an outstanding acquisition already.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dubya BA on October 17, 2011, 12:20:56 AM
I agree, and too many more performances like today will soon have the big clubs circling. 

He's been an outstanding acquisition already.

yes totally agree. Shane needs to tone it down or we will lose him sooner than we want.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on October 17, 2011, 12:36:15 AM
That was his best game for Albion so far and seems alot happier playing up front by himself,
has alot more grass to run into which seems to suit him with that blistering pace .
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on October 17, 2011, 08:32:08 AM
he will become an albion legend fantastic player.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2011, 09:28:51 AM
Fantastic energy and commitment. What a player.Man of the match for me
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on October 17, 2011, 10:14:00 AM
Strong, good in the air, pace to burn, knows where the back of the net is.... What a buy!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 17, 2011, 05:34:50 PM
I don't mind paying good money for a player who will work his balls off and terrorise defences with not only his pace but his aerial ability. I always thought Roger Johnson was a tough no nonsense defender but yesterday both him and Berra were made to look like pansies, not only because of his pace but because of the amount of headers the little lad actually won.

I've been thoroughly impressed with his start to the season and it's important that he doesn't let his level of performance drop. His performance actually deserved a goal and had it not been for Stephen Ward's fantastic recovery tackle then Long would of got what he totally deserved.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on October 17, 2011, 05:52:25 PM
Looking like a very good buy. Enthusiastic with the raw tools to be very good.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MulumbuPower! on October 22, 2011, 05:44:35 PM
Heard that Long might have damaged his knee when Hutton went at him feet high. Anyone clearly see the challenge? There was no way he was going to be able walk it off.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on October 22, 2011, 05:46:44 PM
Hutton needs to be dealt with by the FA as does Dowd for his ineptness during the whole of the game
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dan on October 22, 2011, 05:47:00 PM
Quote
West Brom boss Roy Hodgson on Shane Long's injury: "It will be very interesting to see what the experts think of Alan Hutton's tackle but I thought it was an appalling tackle. Shane's lucky not to have two broken legs. He has a serious knee injury I would think."

Hodgson certainly isn't happy. He's usually very diplomatic post match as well.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on October 22, 2011, 05:47:38 PM
Hoping its just a knock.  They targetted him today - no doubt about it.  Hutton was lucky not to be sent off.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on October 22, 2011, 05:48:33 PM
West Brom boss Roy Hodgson on Shane Long's injury: "It will be very interesting to see what the experts think of Alan Hutton's tackle but I thought it was an appalling tackle. Shane's lucky not to have two broken legs. He has a serious knee injury I would think."

Doesn't sound good. It was a horrible tackle by Hutton, Hodgson's right, on another day he would've broken Long's leg. Even if Herd didn't deserve to get sent off Hutton certainly did, so justice is done. I really hope it's not as serious a injury as first thought.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 22, 2011, 05:57:13 PM
The physios are supposed to be able to detect serious ligament damage when they examine the knee. He wouldn't have been allowed to play on if they had.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionLegend on October 22, 2011, 06:14:52 PM
Hope it is not serious, the lads been fantastic so far. Absolutely poor refereeing today.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on October 22, 2011, 06:17:53 PM
Should have gone off.  Disgusting! Looked pleased with himself afterwards as well. As for the refereeing, some of the worst I have seen
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: jonny on October 22, 2011, 06:25:38 PM
Horrific tackle and was part of Mcleish's plan
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on October 22, 2011, 06:36:53 PM
Hutton should have walked. Villa fans wont admit it but since when have Villa fans been fair and honest.

I hope that Long is okay and as Quakes says he wouldnt have gone back on if it was a long term injury but it is concerning that he had to go off after such a heavy challenge.

Nothing will happen to Hutton now as Dowd saw the challenge and chose not to punish it but that just showed what a poor game both Dowd and his assistants had this afternoon.

Every major decision they had to make they got wrong. Rubbish ref.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Marcus on October 22, 2011, 06:39:52 PM
Lets just hope Roy's comments about Long having a serious knee injury are just an exaggeration to emphasise the point about how bad Huttons tackle was  :(
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 22, 2011, 06:57:37 PM
He came back on after the tackle then he limped off. I thought he didnt look so bad, but it oculd have got worse if he stayed on.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Avonbaggie on October 22, 2011, 07:02:35 PM
Let's not forget there were TWO Hutton tackles on Long ... the horrific 'tackle' where not even a foul was given, and then he clattered him again which led to the booking.

Really p***** off about it as that could easily have cost us the game had things not turned around because we could have been 1-0 down without our current in-form striker away from home. We may also lose him for x number of matches so there are added consequences ..
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Wbamitch on October 22, 2011, 07:03:44 PM
That was a really disgusting tackle, whether Herd should have been sent off i don't know but that tackle from Hutton was disgusting and in the end maybe justice was done.

Unfortunately not for Shane though, soon as i saw that i knew it could be a leg breaker tackle, i was glad to see him get back up and be able to carry on for a bit but it must have made a lasting effect on him and i hope he recovers quickly.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 22, 2011, 07:05:44 PM
It could have been the second one that did the damage to the knee. Hutton kicked him right over the knee from the side.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on October 22, 2011, 07:08:16 PM
Awful, awful tackle. Phill Dowd needs to be put up against a wall and shot.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 22, 2011, 07:22:20 PM
Hope it's not too serious, bad injuries can take a yard out of a player and Long relies on being a bit zippy it's part of his game.

If it was that bad though, I doubt they'd have let him go back on.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 22, 2011, 07:22:49 PM
Disgraceful challenge made even worse by the joke of a ref giving villa throw in.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggyman68 on October 22, 2011, 08:05:05 PM
I know they said it was a knee injury but watching him try to run it off it looked like it was his ankle....well thats how it seemed to me!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Topman on October 22, 2011, 09:16:35 PM
Hopefully, having just watched it he wont be out for too long. If he is would anyone consider bringing Wood back?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: jamesh_91 on October 22, 2011, 11:27:08 PM
Hopefully, having just watched it he wont be out for too long. If he is would anyone consider bringing Wood back?

No revert to 4-5-1
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Moggas barmy army on October 23, 2011, 12:41:15 AM
Iv just had some villa mong on facebook tell me and I quote 'Huttons tackle was awsome got the ball all the way' if that constitutes a good tackle at villa park then the medical staff have their hands full this season
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 23, 2011, 12:45:16 AM
Iv just had some villa mong on facebook tell me and I quote 'Huttons tackle was awsome got the ball all the way' if that constitutes a good tackle at villa park then the medical staff have their hands full this season

It is irrelevant if Hutton caught the ball or not. It was dangerous play and Long could easily have broken a leg, Roy is correct about that.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Moggas barmy army on October 23, 2011, 12:56:40 AM
It is irrelevant if Hutton caught the ball or not. It was dangerous play and Long could easily have broken a leg, Roy is correct about that.

I know mate try telling those knuckle draggers that, if you get the ball but steam through the player 2 footed great tackle if it was the other way round no doubt thed want a police inquiry 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Andio on October 23, 2011, 01:18:16 AM
Mcleish said He got the ball, yeah & so did Mulumbu when he got booked for a much fairer challenge (perfect infact) than that

Also can somebody enlighten me as to why Mulumbu got booked for that challenge & Hutton didn't?!?!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Standaman on October 23, 2011, 09:14:30 AM
Mcleish said He got the ball, yeah & so did Mulumbu when he got booked for a much fairer challenge (perfect infact) than that

Also can somebody enlighten me as to why Mulumbu got booked for that challenge & Hutton didn't?!?!

The referee is a grade a muppet perhaps? I think Hutton's 2nd challenge (the one he got booked for) might have been the one that did the damage to Long's knee which should never have happened because Hutton should have at least been booked for the 1st one.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on October 23, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
Good tackling is an art and I have got no problem with the man taking the ball and then the player.
But if you go in with studs showing and/or two feet off the ground you deserve/should expect to get sent off.

Hutton was a disgrace yesterday and should have walked if not for the first then for the second tackle which was blatant retaliation for the shoulder barge by Long just before!

When compared to the Herd/Olsson incident then there can be no argument whatsoever - the officials had a shocker but as always it's the clubs and not them that get the punishments (Villa suspension and Albion injury)  :-X
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on October 23, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
If Hutton is charged then so should McLeish the bloke was not looking at the ball when going in with legs high off the floor.

That challenge was a disgrace to his profession for trying to injure another and from his reaction he didnt seem bothered
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on October 23, 2011, 11:10:55 AM
when can we expect an update on the knee, im bloody nervous for it!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on October 23, 2011, 11:45:20 AM
Shocking tackle  >:( & not even a yellow card disgraceful
 if that had been Jara our Mullumbu i bet they would have been a sent off
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Avonbaggie on October 23, 2011, 11:47:59 AM
Shocking tackle  >:( & not even a yellow card disgraceful
 if that had been Jara our Mullumbu i bet they would have been a sent off

Lets also remember it wasn't even a free kick!!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Barrington on October 23, 2011, 12:15:33 PM
Let's not forget that it was one of McLeish's players who for all intents and purposes has ruined Eduardo's career as a top class striker. Must be part of his coaching regime to encourage his team to go through opposition players like that with no regards to their safety or long term well-being. He's a disgrace.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on October 23, 2011, 01:01:32 PM
Shocking tackle  >:( & not even a yellow card disgraceful
 if that had been Jara our Mullumbu i bet they would have been a sent off

They were sent off for similar challenges last season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crisoWBA on October 23, 2011, 03:59:10 PM
http://vimeo.com/30977931 (http://vimeo.com/30977931)

I was going to wait til he'd got more goals but seen as though he may be sidelined for a while i thought i'd get this over with.

Enjoy
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionLegend on October 23, 2011, 04:26:07 PM
Excellent as always!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 23, 2011, 04:27:29 PM
Thanks for the video mate very good.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 23, 2011, 04:54:30 PM
The annoying thing from it was the initial tackle, but after Long gives him a little nudge off the pitch he comes back to once again cripple him. The man is a coward and I personally hope his head is banging. N'Zogbia didn't hit him hard enough.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on October 23, 2011, 04:57:22 PM
They were sent off for similar challenges last season.
Was Mulumbu? I know Jara was for the one against Blackpool but I can't remember Mulumbu getting sent off for a tackle like that.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 23, 2011, 06:31:09 PM
Any news yet on how bad it is?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on October 23, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
Any news yet on how bad it is?

No news until Monday.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on October 23, 2011, 06:45:31 PM
Left myself a day to think about that tackle,i was an admirer of Hutton since i saw him him play for Rangers against Barcelona and keep both Eto and a young Messi quiet and have followed him since then.Having seen it again several times in my view it was a cowards tackle from the Scot,he saw his chance to get the ball but more importantly injure Long(is there any history between them?),it high and ugly and i cant believe Dowd did not send him off.All we can hope is Long is ok asap and the FA punish Hutton.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on October 23, 2011, 07:02:37 PM
It was a pre meditated assaault, nothing less.

Hutton is a thug.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: mulliganstired on October 23, 2011, 07:11:12 PM
First tackle looked like a shin cracker, nasty, painful, but get over it.  Fingers crossed the second didn't do any serious damage.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Loughborough Baggy on October 23, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
100% agree.  We have a culture in this country where we are meant to admire hard men but when a player goes into another player knowing he has no risk of personal injury but could cripple the other guy that's not 'hard' - it's 100% cowardly.

Is Hutton a coward or was he operating to 'suggestions' from his manager?

Yesterday's result = justice

Left myself a day to think about that tackle,i was an admirer of Hutton since i saw him him play for Rangers against Barcelona and keep both Eto and a young Messi quiet and have followed him since then.Having seen it again several times in my view it was a cowards tackle from the Scot,he saw his chance to get the ball but more importantly injure Long(is there any history between them?),it high and ugly and i cant believe Dowd did not send him off.All we can hope is Long is ok asap and the FA punish Hutton.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggiee_Boyy_Benn on October 23, 2011, 10:21:13 PM
If Long is out which i really hope not because i rate him very highly, this could be Tchoyi's time to step in and have a long spell in the team.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 23, 2011, 10:43:58 PM
just watch motd2 and Droggba got sent off for a two footed tackle which in opinion was no worse then Huttons yesterday.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on October 23, 2011, 11:35:13 PM
Lee Bowyer was comparatively well-behaved under McLeish.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2011, 03:06:02 PM
Any news yet folks?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: greggy8689 on October 24, 2011, 03:35:09 PM
Any news yet folks?

Nothing expected until later today and that is without the need for 2nd opinions depending how bad it is. I expect it to be tomorrow.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggy74 on October 24, 2011, 04:20:34 PM
Any news yet folks?
 
Looking good.  :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggie_1 on October 24, 2011, 04:28:13 PM
 
Looking good.  :)
your source??
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: pennington on October 24, 2011, 04:42:21 PM
Phill Dowd
 no game this weekend according to CL on twitter
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AidantheBaggies on October 24, 2011, 05:00:18 PM
He has got Cardiff Leeds game
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on October 24, 2011, 06:29:53 PM
out for 6 weeks- CL >:(   
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 24, 2011, 06:31:06 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2492762,00.html

SHANE Long could face up to six weeks on the sidelines after a scan this evening confirmed the extent of the knee injury he suffered at Villa on Saturday.

Long was forced to leave the field in the 19th minute after a challenge by Alan Hutton eight minutes earlier.

The force of the tackle resulted in the Republic of Ireland international suffering severe bone bruising, and a small bone chip, inside his right knee.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Smooth Lad on October 24, 2011, 06:32:19 PM
Up to 6 weeks, Shanes a tough character, he'll be back for December.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommi on October 24, 2011, 06:32:33 PM
Absolutely gutted.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: jjb0rdell0 on October 24, 2011, 06:33:10 PM
**** you Hutton.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on October 24, 2011, 06:33:56 PM
6 weeks , i thought it would be worse when i first seen the tackle. Step up Simon Cox.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 24, 2011, 06:39:01 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2492762,00.html

SHANE Long could face up to six weeks on the sidelines after a scan this evening confirmed the extent of the knee injury he suffered at Villa on Saturday.

Long was forced to leave the field in the 19th minute after a challenge by Alan Hutton eight minutes earlier.

The force of the tackle resulted in the Republic of Ireland international suffering severe bone bruising, and a small bone chip, inside his right knee.


Could have been worse, no ligament damage fortunately!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: johnthebaggie on October 24, 2011, 06:39:53 PM
Let's just hope six weeks means that and not longer.

Could be worse, we have Pete, Tchoyi and Cox.

Just imagine last season when Pete was injured and the strike force was spearheaded by Fortune.

We are better equipped to cope.

Now if Pete gets crocked as well.....................
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on October 24, 2011, 06:40:08 PM
 :( :( :(

i hate what hutton has done
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggy74 on October 24, 2011, 06:42:32 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/page/News/0,,10366~2492762,00.html

SHANE Long could face up to six weeks on the sidelines after a scan this evening confirmed the extent of the knee injury he suffered at Villa on Saturday.

Long was forced to leave the field in the 19th minute after a challenge by Alan Hutton eight minutes earlier.

The force of the tackle resulted in the Republic of Ireland international suffering severe bone bruising, and a small bone chip, inside his right knee.


They must of been fearing the worst as the player I spoke to said , it didn't seem to bad and they where all pleased for him !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on October 24, 2011, 06:43:58 PM
Were be ok , Tchoyi and Pete is still a good partnership plus we have Coxy who is eager to impress 8)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on October 24, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
It's a big shame but considering how bad the first tackle was him being sidelined for 'only' 6 weeks can almost be considered a lucky escape.

Tchoyi, Cox and Gera are players who could now get the chance to fill his boots and stake their claim for a long-term place in the team, along with Dorrans if 4-5-1 returns.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ihsaan on October 24, 2011, 07:03:14 PM
He misses games against Arsenal/Liverpool/Spurs where we might not be expected to win anyway, giving time for Odemwingie to find form in a better formation, and then returns (hopefully) ahead of the busy Christmas schedule.  Not as bad as it might have been.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 24, 2011, 07:06:03 PM
Dirty stinking seals. >:( All the best in your recovery Shane
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: gerry m on October 24, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
well mcleish said he wanted his team to 'get in the oppositions faces' but as we have seen this thug hutton took it one stage further >:(
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: N11 TUD on October 24, 2011, 07:17:58 PM
heard its damage to his collateral ligament and a chip in his knee . 6 to 8 weeeks
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on October 24, 2011, 07:19:28 PM
Really big blow that he is out, but this will give someone else a chance to prove that they are good enough.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Moggas barmy army on October 24, 2011, 07:33:43 PM
Great at least were well equiped to deal with this injury just as it looked like he was starting settle to premiership football aswell
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on October 24, 2011, 07:37:20 PM
Shame for Long as he has started the season so well. This further goes to show how Hutton should have been sent off and why despite Herd unfair dismissal, Villa fans still cant moan.

Luckily we are well stocked up front now. Odemwingie is hardly a bad replacement and Tchoyi has proved so far this season he was probably the most key member of the strike force while players like Cox, Gera and Fortune all still should be considered (and going on Bednars showing in the reserves last week, id say him as well).

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on October 24, 2011, 07:38:13 PM
we are going to miss him but i have faith in Pete, tchoyi,cox whoever hodgson may choose
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on October 24, 2011, 07:51:14 PM
The most annoying part is that Hutton will get away with it whilst they we also have the red card recinded.

At the game I was at ground level with a clear side on view of the assult - that's what it was - and Hutton was clearly going for his man regardless of ball. To repeat it again minutes later was just unbelievable and the referee and linesmen should hang their heads in shame.

Poetic justice that he went off with an injury but, unfortunately, it looked like the Spurs reject was out their training for their open session today ! 
Just wish Albion would appeal to the FA over this disgrace. Tamas justifiably got done for his assault so now that thug should not get away with it.

Best wishes to Longy and hope he back sooner than expected to continue his bright start to his Prem career.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Barrington on October 24, 2011, 07:57:01 PM
I sincerely hope there's no lasting long term damage. It's not good that he's out for 6 weeks but if we get him back as 100% the player he's been so far this season, that will be good.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: mulliganstired on October 24, 2011, 08:00:18 PM
This is why it wasn't such a bad idea keeping Bednar and Fortune on the books, one more injury/suspension to a forward and one or both will at least be on the bench.  We could do worse, at least they've both "been there".


Any clarity on possible ligament damage, that's the real worry?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on October 24, 2011, 08:05:39 PM
With tchoyi doing really well saturday , cox waiting in the wings and also Gera getting back to full fitness who can play behind Odemwingie in a 4-4-1-1 im not to worried.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kie the baggie on October 24, 2011, 08:10:27 PM
On os it says severe bone bruising and small chip in bone. I'm just glad there's no cruciate ligament damage as that would of probly fu**ed him up as a player, as that happened to me and you can't run as fast and its impossible to turn quickly because your to scared to do your knee in again get well soon longy
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: hardtobeat on October 24, 2011, 08:52:12 PM
there is also an international w/e in November so with luck may only be 4/5 weeks.It would be interesting to ask McFish how a chipped bone in the knee can be caused by momentum and folllow through when it is accepted if your feet leave the ground when making a tackle you are taking a risk,bloody neanderthal fish man
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MulumbuPower! on October 24, 2011, 08:58:42 PM
I heard it was 6 games not 6 weeks. With intetnational fixtures that makes it a 2 month injury doesnt it? Well p*ssed off. Hope it doesn't have any effect on his speed. Would love to see Cox on the bench now and be given a chance. It's worse for Ireland though. Doyle supended, Leaned injured and now Long. I was really lookong forward to their upcoming games. Chance to see 'long cox' in action.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 24, 2011, 09:48:07 PM
Well I hope the key words in the statement turn out to be 'up to' and that he may be able to return a little earlier if things go well, sounds as though they expected it to be much worse.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 24, 2011, 09:56:56 PM
Shane was that close to having his career done in by that donkey Hutton. Hutton should be punished like Tamas was.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: graka on October 24, 2011, 11:12:33 PM
Shane was that close to having his career done in by that donkey Hutton. Hutton should be punished like Tamas was.
id rather the tosser be punished by a couple of blokes in balaclavas.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on October 25, 2011, 06:55:00 AM
Well I hope the key words in the statement turn out to be 'up to' and that he may be able to return a little earlier if things go well, sounds as though they expected it to be much worse.

Yes, let's hope it is up to 6 weeks which as bad as it is, it's not a totally tragic timespell to lose a player.

Also, really hope there are no complications during his recovery and it all goes a smoothly as can be.

As far as Hutton goes, I think he should be punished retrospectively.  The general media consensus I've heard on the issue this week has come down on the Albion side stating that he should have got a straight red.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 25, 2011, 08:11:34 AM
Outrageous that Hutton gets away with it.He knew what he was doing when he went in for the kill.
Long will be a massive miss to both us and Ireland
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the lords my shepherd on October 25, 2011, 08:21:29 AM
Huttons an animal who new exactly what he was doing. Villa seemed to target Long as they were scared of his pace. Can't see it happening but i really hope the powers that be give Hutton the ban he deserves from such a crude challenge.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 25, 2011, 08:41:41 AM
Thankfully the injury isn't as bad as it might have been. With the incident being quite high profile hopefully Long might get a bit more protection from referrees. Two games running he's been the victim of a "red card" tackle. Hutton's cowardly assault and johnsons last man trip (both unpunnished).

Get well soon Shane.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on October 25, 2011, 08:53:57 AM
Absolutely livid with this >:( For me Long is one of the best premier league strikers this season and that Scottish connection is down right thuggery.For all we know Long may not be the same again
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on October 25, 2011, 08:58:08 AM
Absolutely livid with this >:( For me Long is one of the best premier league strikers this season and that Scottish connection is down right thuggery.For all we know Long may not be the same again

He's out for 6 weeks mate not 6 months. I highly doubt it's the sort of injury that will effect his career going forward (although it very much could have been given the nature of the tackle).
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on October 25, 2011, 09:07:14 AM
He's out for 6 weeks mate not 6 months. I highly doubt it's the sort of injury that will effect his career going forward (although it very much could have been given the nature of the tackle).


I suppose what i meant the nature of that tackle was a 6 month job but fortunately for Longs athleticism
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: hardtobeat on October 25, 2011, 12:46:20 PM
Shane was that close to having his career done in by that donkey Hutton. Hutton should be punished like Tamas was.
More like he should be punished by Tamas(or his elbow at least :D)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on October 25, 2011, 12:53:36 PM
Apparently Hutton cleanly won the ball
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 8thewolves on October 25, 2011, 01:42:06 PM
Apparently Hutton cleanly won the ball

And apparently the vile are a big club
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on October 25, 2011, 01:46:31 PM
Too bad Hutton only smashed Shane's knee, if he had split Shane's lip then he would reeeally be in for it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 25, 2011, 04:36:09 PM
It'll be a shame he's out for six weeks as so far I've enjoyed watching him play. His aerial ability, ability on the floor and the fact he works his backside off is something to be admired. Saying this, it gives the likes of Simon Cox and Peter Odemwingie to really take their chance when it's given to them. To those which mentioned Odemwingie isn't happy about being the second striker behind Long, here is a perfect chance to recapture the form which made him such an incredible striker for us last year.

The other good news to come from this bad bit of news is that we might see Somen Tchoyi utilised alot more. A player since the start of the season I've come to like abit more and a good spell in the team will eventually allow us to make our minds up on him. He's been such a threat this season, let's hope he and Odemwingie can match the partnership set previously by Tchoyi and Long.

The fact we have so many options with Graham Dorrans, Zoltan Gera, James Morrison all still available to take his place really does weaken the blow. It's up to Hodgson now to find the right replacement which in my opinion is Somen Tchoyi.

As for Hutton, I won't say what I think of him as I'll more than likely end up getting banned by the moderators. An absolutely disgraceful tackle made all the more worse by such a shocking refereeing decision.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AidantheBaggies on October 25, 2011, 04:40:54 PM
I am still shocked as to why Dowd didnt even give a free kick, i could see from where i was that it was a dangerous tackle. Its a worry, refs are there to protect players, he failed in his duty on Saturday!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on October 25, 2011, 04:43:41 PM
Best pound for pound striker this season.Who was it that said easily the best performance from a premier league striker this season after the Wolves game. because the Vile were scared of him they took him out
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 25, 2011, 04:47:11 PM
I am still shocked as to why Dowd didnt even give a free kick, i could see from where i was that it was a dangerous tackle. Its a worry, refs are there to protect players, he failed in his duty on Saturday!

Do you get to see Phil Dowd? If so, let him know how we all feel about the stupid tackle. It's even more annoying that Hutton gets away with it, and Mulumbu gets punished for a perfectly well timed tackle!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AidantheBaggies on October 25, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
Liam,

I have seen Phil quite alot, but i speak with one of the assistants on Saturday alotm he is a freind of a family member.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 25, 2011, 09:51:50 PM
It's a rubbish tackle but, I do wonder if 4-5-1 with Odem up front as a lone striker would be a productive formation :P
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Moggas barmy army on October 25, 2011, 10:05:36 PM
It's a rubbish tackle but, I do wonder if 4-5-1 with Odem up front as a lone striker would be a productive formation :P

Infact thats what i was thinking on Saturday especially with the games we have coming up it might be better to pack the midfield and go with what worked last season keeping it tight and bring Tchoyi off the bench as our surprise package later in the game
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieJames114 on October 26, 2011, 01:19:11 AM
Id continue with 4-4-2 with Pete and Somen. Its starting to click this 4-4-2 lark. it took a while and after i think we can exploit Liverpool with it. The Pace of the front two should do that
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on October 26, 2011, 03:39:48 AM
Infact thats what i was thinking on Saturday especially with the games we have coming up it might be better to pack the midfield and go with what worked last season keeping it tight and bring Tchoyi off the bench as our surprise package later in the game

You can keep it tight playing 4-4-2, our first match against Man United for example. Newcastle, who are in the position they are now because of their defensive resiliance also play 4-4-2. In some ways having to break down two banks of four is harder for the opposition than a team who tries to swamp the midfield.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 26, 2011, 03:58:06 PM
They will be talking about this assult on Talksport from 4pm today
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionLegend on October 27, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Quote
Aston Villa defend Alan Hutton over tackle on Shane Long

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15476323.stm
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on October 27, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15476323.stm

Couple of old articles I know. But not unheard of for the name Alan Hutton and word 'reckless' to appear together.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/european/mcleish_s_annus_horribilis_1_520481

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/4301269.stm
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bakebaggie on October 27, 2011, 04:22:07 PM
Couple of old articles I know. But not unheard of for the name Alan Hutton and word 'reckless' to appear together.

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/european/mcleish_s_annus_horribilis_1_520481

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/4301269.stm
Just proves that this is all McLeish has got, no skill, just thuggery. The bright spot is in the second article, in that one, Hutton went in wild and broke his own leg. I know it's wrong, but after saturday, it left a smile on my face.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bigbadjohn on October 27, 2011, 07:30:04 PM
Could of been alot worse look at this sums it up really !!

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11844/7269370/Rossi-out-for-six-months
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2011, 10:35:15 AM
Did i hear correctly.Been named in the Ireland squad?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 28, 2011, 10:37:00 AM
Yep, for the games against Estonia around 11th November and I think 15th.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 28, 2011, 11:12:37 AM
Probably hopeful that he'll be fit for the play off. I wouldn't be surprised if he "responds well to treatment" and is fit before 6 weeks has passed. If anyone noticed it has always been stated that he'll be out for "up to 6 weeks" backing up Roy's comments on Hutton's assault. But other than bruising he's ok and will bust a gut to play against Estonia.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AidantheBaggies on October 28, 2011, 11:21:36 AM
My concern is he 'rushes' back from injury to play for Ireland and then injures himself in the process. Thats the problem we face.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 28, 2011, 12:07:49 PM
He's bruised his bone so that shouldn't lead to a weakness only pain. If he'd turned his ankle or twisted his knee coming back early could cause a problem but this kind of injury is ok. I'd imagine if it was the last couple of games of the season and we needed points he'd have a pain killing injection and play.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 28, 2011, 02:26:25 PM
Named in the initial Republic of Ireland squad for their Euro qualifier on 11th and 15th November.

Mind you Trapatonni does tend to give his more regular squad players every chance to prove fitness, so prob still unlikely to play.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2011/1028/ireland.html
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on October 28, 2011, 07:15:56 PM
Probably hopeful that he'll be fit for the play off. I wouldn't be surprised if he "responds well to treatment" and is fit before 6 weeks has passed. If anyone noticed it has always been stated that he'll be out for "up to 6 weeks" backing up Roy's comments on Hutton's assault. But other than bruising he's ok and will bust a gut to play against Estonia.

I have a sneaky feeling he may be back sooner than 6 weeks. I think going to the press was the club's way of bringing more attention to the challenge and vilifying Hutton even more.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 28, 2011, 09:56:43 PM
Maybe that the manager feels he has done his bit so should be around the squad (Doyle named in squad but cant play suspended)
On a side note I do hope Jara plays in the re-match v hutton  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on October 29, 2011, 12:03:40 AM
Maybe that the manager feels he has done his bit so should be around the squad (Doyle named in squad but cant play suspended)
On a side note I do hope Jara plays in the re-match v hutton  :D

Forget about jara. 2-0 up at the hawthorns, 5 minutes to play and bring Richie Woodall on for his debut. That'll sort out the c...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on November 19, 2011, 05:13:50 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on November 19, 2011, 05:36:05 PM
Another man of the match perfomance for Long today in my opinion. Considering he just come back from a fairly serious injury, he was superb. We'll end making a massive profit on this kid. He's destined for big things.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: graka on November 19, 2011, 05:40:22 PM
superb today. not much more to say.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 19, 2011, 05:54:25 PM
Totally different team with him in it, his workrate is phenomenal. Linked up well with Gera.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rolfestreet on November 19, 2011, 06:01:48 PM
He works hard, links up well great in the air for his size, very quick and he reads the game well. He did look tired by the end but after that shift that is no suprise. I think him with gera could be what we have been looking for up top.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on November 19, 2011, 06:16:02 PM
Part of me thinks he is riding the euhoria of playing in the prem, and he can't possibly be this good. Outstanding again today!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on November 19, 2011, 06:23:44 PM
Brilliant again.  Such a constant threat to defences.  He was helped today by having someone in the hole who knew what they were doing, had excellent movement and intelligence in Gera.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on November 19, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
Some of Geras movement and touches today were just sublime and you would think Long will thrive, they seemed to gel on a personal level aswell constantly talking to each other through the game
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieheart on November 19, 2011, 06:27:18 PM
Brilliant again.  Such a constant threat to defences.  He was helped today by having someone in the hole who knew what they were doing, had excellent movement and intelligence in Gera.

Fair play to Hodgson he saw it.

I wasn't sure when we signed the lad, but glad to be proved wrong hopefully he can go on to be a top striker for us.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on November 19, 2011, 06:29:38 PM
Brilliant again! I'm beginning to love this guy. I was a little sceptical at first ( but not down right negative like many) but he really puts in a shift and knows where the goal is to coin a couple of cliches.

Pete is going to find it hard work getting back in the team with Gera showing good form in the hole (ooer!).
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Clarkus on November 19, 2011, 06:35:48 PM
considering the injury he came back from,  new player upfront in gera playing alongside, what a performance from long. Such a hardworking player with talent to boot, him and gera were awesome and long may it continue..:D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GAZZER on November 19, 2011, 08:17:36 PM
Outstanding performance and didnt get his just deserves today as he was pushed and pulled all day but carried on and caused then a problem all game. We had great movement today everywhere which hopefully will continue, particularly if Zoltan can play as well as he did today linking up with Shane. Also thought Shorey and JT had a good game there link up at times was superb and for 20 minutes got us on top. Great result!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tuamigos on November 19, 2011, 08:56:13 PM
He was absolutely immense today. His effort and commitment to the team are unqueationable. Deserves all the plaudits
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAGinge on November 19, 2011, 09:16:21 PM
I don't want to get ahead of anything but he looks class. How Reading have let him go for what seems like pennies on current form, is beyond me. He is so fast and the jump he has is nothing short of first class. Yet again tonight, picked up from where he was horribly halted, such a good player and a top professional in getting himself fit as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on November 19, 2011, 10:10:03 PM
6 million for long at this rate is a absolute steel. Just makes me even more laugh at how Liverpool paid 35 million for Andy Carrol  :D 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on November 19, 2011, 10:32:48 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 19, 2011, 11:10:59 PM
Absolutely fantastic performance today, the best I have seen by an Albion Centre Forward since the days of Cyrille Regis, won so much and laid it off so well, took his goal brilliantly.
What a gem we have there, well done Shane! 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieJames114 on November 20, 2011, 12:23:28 AM
I admit i was dubious when he joined, but my opinion couldn't of changed more. He is simply brilliant and it is there for all to see he has so much more to give. Chased loose ends and it comes off occasionally and it creates chances, his work rate is phenomenal
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2011, 10:55:55 AM
What a player.What commitment.Play over Pete anyday
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on November 20, 2011, 09:52:31 PM
He's a real threat with his movement and heading threat. With Gera about as well there's a good aerial threat. I did wonder why Shorey was back in instead of Jones but he had a really good game going forward and delivered some good crosses.
Thomas caused problems but he's got zero confidence in hitting any crosses with his left so just as well Shorey put a couple in. A wide player who can cut in AND go outside and cross for  Long / Gera would make us more dangerous.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 20, 2011, 09:59:31 PM
He's a real threat with his movement and heading threat. With Gera about as well there's a good aerial threat. I did wonder why Shorey was back in instead of Jones but he had a really good game going forward and delivered some good crosses.
Thomas caused problems but he's got zero confidence in hitting any crosses with his left so just as well Shorey put a couple in. A wide player who can cut in AND go outside and cross for  Long / Gera would make us more dangerous.

We've got one with one of the best left foots in the Premier League - Brunt.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: greggy8689 on November 21, 2011, 09:43:13 AM
This bloke holds a lot of talent. Best striker I have seen in years at the Albion, works his guts out, holds the ball up well and knows where the back of the net is.

He was also pointing to his gold and blue wristband which he believes has changed his fortunes. Was reading it in The Sun earlier.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lippybaggie on November 23, 2011, 10:16:07 AM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7326121/ (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7326121/)

West Bromwich Albion winger Jerome Thomas has revealed the secret behind his team-mate Shane Long's never-ending energy - a pre-match bowl of Coco Pops.
 
The Baggies winger says that fit-again striker Long brings his own packet of the cereal to games and tucks into a bowl before kick-off.
 
It certainly appears to be having the desired effect, with Long netting his fourth goal in 10 games against Bolton Wanderers in the Premier League on Saturday since his move from Reading during the summer transfer window.
 
That marked his comeback after a month out of action with a knee injury which caused him to miss the Republic of Ireland's Euro 2012 play-off with Estonia.
 
Coco Pops

"His hold-up play is phenomenal and he has got incredible energy," said Thomas. "I think it is down to the Coco Pops.
 
"He won't play a game before eating Coco Pops beforehand. That is where he gets the energy from.
 
"He brings his own box of cereal to the games. That is his ritual before every game but it seems to do the trick.
 
"We have missed Shane and it was also hard for him missing out on the play-offs with Ireland.
 
"It is frustrating to be out injured for any player. Shane's work-rate for the team goes unnoticed at times but he has been a big miss."
 
Aiming higher

Thomas went on to add his belief that Roy Hodgson's side have enough quality not to be involved in a relegation battle.
 
"I think the quality we have, the players we have, means we can always aim higher than just avoiding relegation," he stated.
 
"I think we are showing that in our performances."

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So this is definitely my new ritual - amazing!!!!!!

what a guy - what a hero....
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on November 23, 2011, 10:54:57 AM
lets hope he keeps eating them if they make him play like he his!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on November 23, 2011, 12:00:55 PM
Hmmmm...I do recall seeing Kellogg's on the backs of Bohemian FC shirts. Could be a perfect sponsorship opportunity.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on November 23, 2011, 09:29:08 PM
He's done well so far, but a little perspective would be nice too.

Overnight, he's become the resurrection of Christ and Odemwingie the son of Satan.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Smooth Lad on November 23, 2011, 09:32:23 PM
Apparently picked up a 'leg injury' in training according to the news.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 23, 2011, 10:18:44 PM
Apparently picked up a 'leg injury' in training according to the news.
....then Pete insisted he put him down again ... gently. ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on November 23, 2011, 10:19:36 PM
We've got one with one of the best left foots in the Premier League - Brunt.
Fair comment - must be worth swapping them over for spells especially if Thomas is having one of his ineffective games.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on November 24, 2011, 02:51:40 AM
He's done well so far, but a little perspective would be nice too.

Overnight, he's become the resurrection of Christ and Odemwingie the son of Satan.

It's pretty crazy isn't it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: chipperclark on November 24, 2011, 06:01:43 AM
He's a real threat with his movement and heading threat. With Gera about as well there's a good aerial threat. I did wonder why Shorey was back in instead of Jones but he had a really good game going forward and delivered some good crosses.
Thomas caused problems but he's got zero confidence in hitting any crosses with his left so just as well Shorey put a couple in. A wide player who can cut in AND go outside and cross for  Long / Gera would make us more dangerous.
8) Thats why a lot of people on the Forums have said put Brunt in his natural left spot and Gera to run the middle with Shane and Pete up front.That way the front men get plenty of ammunition.
Thomas should be tried on the right,if he prefers his right foot which he seems to use mostly anyway.
Brunty to cut in from the left to give that extra attacking player......So Roy if you you want to give up your day job give us a call!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on November 24, 2011, 06:56:45 AM
The reason brunt and Thomas play on the wings that they do is so that they can cut in from that wing and shoot with their good foot. I think Roy's job is safe for the moment chipper  ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: chipperclark on November 24, 2011, 07:26:19 AM
The reason brunt and Thomas play on the wings that they do is so that they can cut in from that wing and shoot with their good foot. I think Roy's job is safe for the moment chipper  ;)
8) Are you sure Londonbaggymike ? I did coach the under 14 girls team a couple of years ago!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crisoWBA on December 05, 2011, 05:55:32 PM
http://vimeo.com/33125120 (http://vimeo.com/33125120)

I've added to the video i made of him. Enjoy it and share it around. I hope i have to edit it lot's more due to all the goals he scores :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 05, 2011, 07:29:55 PM
Enjoyed the video mate, hope to see many more goals from him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 05, 2011, 10:07:55 PM
They are cracking videos mate. i like how you have got good quality footage WITH commentary. Nice graphics and a good sound mix!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crisoWBA on December 05, 2011, 10:09:56 PM
Thanks guys :) Try to make them look and sound fun. Nothing better than showing these videos off to ya mates who support other teams, just to be able to say 'Look this player rules!' haha.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on December 29, 2011, 09:46:16 AM
who thinks shane long is not looking himself and needs rest :'(
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on December 29, 2011, 09:55:21 AM
He looked fine Saturday won everything that was put up to him.

He was struggling a couple of weeks ago with injury but Boxing Day looked more like himself
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on December 29, 2011, 09:59:52 AM
who thinks shane long is not looking himself and needs rest :'(
you must be watching a different shane long to what i am.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on December 29, 2011, 10:21:05 AM
who thinks shane long is not looking himself and needs rest :'(

Nope, his goals seem to have dried up but his general play is still decent - the Newcastle defence are still having nightmares !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2011, 10:27:14 AM
Dont think he needs a rest at all.

Still looks threatening to me.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 29, 2011, 10:29:17 AM
Odemwingie was the same a few weeks ago but now look at him. If we dropped a player just because he didnt score every 2 or 3 games, we'd need about 12 reserve strikers FFS ! :o

Give the bloke a chance and if he is shown the same loyalty/patience that Odemwingie got, then he'll start scoring again. Besides, its not like he's not contributing anything during the games is it ! ???

Even Regis, Brown, Allen or Astle didnt score EVERY game. ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Badgerwba on December 29, 2011, 01:51:39 PM
who thinks shane long is not looking himself and needs rest :'(
I spent a short time just watching Long against Man City ,he just constantly moves about dragging people out of position thus creating room for Pete and the midfield to move into,not once has he looked out of place in the prem,
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 29, 2011, 02:14:04 PM
This lad will score goals soon, you watch.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on December 29, 2011, 02:26:27 PM
I think he's still playing pretty well and doing a lot of hustling and hard work.

It was always unlikely he was going to keep firing at the high level he started.

If I was to be critical I'd say he's had some pretty clear cut chances he really should have put away.

On the whole however, I'd say he's still doing well, perhaps just settling down a little for now.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on December 29, 2011, 05:28:17 PM
 just becuase he hasnt scored in a bit, he dont need a rest, his ariel presence is quality, so is his movement and he runs his balls off
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 63Brummie on December 30, 2011, 03:39:33 PM
Dont think he needs a rest at all.

Still looks threatening to me.
I wouldn't like to face the guy...
He's a very crafty "pick pocket" of a player with a wicked turn of speed; who incidentally has begun to link well with Peter Odemwingie....all good from here Bud ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 30, 2011, 03:44:02 PM
The lad is still learning as well, It owuld be great if his goal tally at the end of the season was in double figures.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on January 01, 2012, 06:19:40 PM
Maybe it's the injury or he's in need of a rest but he, again, looked to carry such little threat where it matters in the box despite a couple of decent crosses that he should have scored with. His workrate is still superb and causes defenders problems BUT just dosen't look like scoring at the moment. Add in another half-hearted Pete performance and you can see why we have so many problems scoring at home where we should be creating plenty of chances.
However, it appears Roy does not rate any of the possible replacements so we are in a proverbial 'hole' at present regarding scoring goals at home - not sure how we get out of this one ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 01, 2012, 06:22:27 PM
There's a few problems really.

Long is carrying a few niggles and doesn't quite look himself, Odemwingie despite the two recent goals lapsed back into how he had been performing previously.

But the biggest issue is that they aren't getting service that is good enough, they are having to create their own chances or feed on scraps. We've lost any semblance of creativity and flair that we had last season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 01, 2012, 06:24:42 PM
For me the lad needs a break, hopefully he wont feature in the cup game against Cardiff next week.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on January 07, 2012, 09:31:21 PM
An interesting bit on Long in last Sunday's Observer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/shane-long-sweat-singing-guitar

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Barrington on January 08, 2012, 02:43:52 AM
An interesting bit on Long in last Sunday's Observer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/shane-long-sweat-singing-guitar

An excellent read that is pal. I really like Shane Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tuamigos on January 08, 2012, 06:42:51 AM
An interesting bit on Long in last Sunday's Observer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/shane-long-sweat-singing-guitar

Seems like a really nice young man and a credit to his family.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: greggy8689 on January 08, 2012, 10:47:32 AM
An interesting bit on Long in last Sunday's Observer

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/shane-long-sweat-singing-guitar

Superb read. Sounds like a superb bloke and a credit to his family. I've got a lot of time for Shane Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on February 04, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
Hopefully he'll be back as an option soon.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AlbionBest on February 05, 2012, 12:34:30 PM
Desperately missing a fit, starting Shane Long.

MAF has done well but Odemwingie now cannot even do the basics and lokks two yards slower than last season allied to Cox being totally out of his depth and nothing in the squad beyond that !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 05, 2012, 12:51:42 PM
I carnt wait to see Long back. I really hope he is fit for the Wolves game as we need him back so much.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 05, 2012, 12:54:59 PM
I think MAF and Long could be a good partnership.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack_Wba11 on February 05, 2012, 12:58:11 PM
I think Long would have been good yesterday against Swansea. Would have pressured their back four a bit more as they passed it around.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 05, 2012, 01:03:39 PM
I think MAF and Long could be a good partnership.
I would agree mate, Fortune holds the ball up well and Longs pace would really cause defences problems.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on February 05, 2012, 01:04:59 PM
I carnt wait to see Long back. I really hope he is fit for the Wolves game as we need him back so much.

Not as much as we miss brunty though
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on February 05, 2012, 01:08:35 PM
Too right rubyruby, people moan about Brunt but his injury has shown just what we miss when hes out of action for any period of time.

I also have concerns about Longs fitness at the moment especially as he seems to have been sidelined by 'digestion problems' for near on two weeks, or is it a smokescreen that his back (I think it is) that he injured earlier this year is worse than first thought and hes having to be wrapped in cotton wool.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: A5HB on February 05, 2012, 05:00:25 PM
Too right rubyruby, people moan about Brunt but his injury has shown just what we miss when hes out of action for any period of time.

I also have concerns about Longs fitness at the moment especially as he seems to have been sidelined by 'digestion problems' for near on two weeks, or is it a smokescreen that his back (I think it is) that he injured earlier this year is worse than first thought and hes having to be wrapped in cotton wool.
I wouldn't say the club needed a smokescreen for Longs back injury, they have mentioned on a couple of occasions its an injury that needs to be managed correctly. I just think he has been unfortunate to have two problems at the same time.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieheart on February 05, 2012, 05:37:08 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: M666EYS on February 25, 2012, 08:57:00 PM
Feel really sorry for the bloke, gets back to fitness and fortune is playing like a man possessed.

What a great squad we have.

Can't stop smiling  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: gerry m on February 25, 2012, 09:09:29 PM
Feel really sorry for the bloke, gets back to fitness and fortune is playing like a man possessed.

What a great squad we have.

Can't stop smiling  :D

exactly! we now have 3 very good forwards wh :Dere in the past we struggled to score goals
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 25, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
He will have to work hard to get back into the team, I hope he gets a few goals between now and the end of the season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on February 25, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
He will have to work hard to get back into the team, I hope he gets a few goals between now and the end of the season.

Thats the way it should be 77. This is his first season in the PL so hes got plenty of time. Make no mistake he is going to be a great player for WBA. As strikers go he has it all and when he settles in to the PL he will be some player so I wouldnt be at all surprised if top teams come calling.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on February 25, 2012, 09:50:51 PM
In his brief appearance today he bust a gut all over the pitch.

Its hunger like that squads need.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ogwani on February 25, 2012, 09:59:18 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on February 25, 2012, 10:01:12 PM
i think its good though, it shows we have class through the squad, he is a great sriker to bring on when losing
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on February 25, 2012, 10:12:32 PM
Just hope for his sake that his lack of 1st team action doesn't cost him a chance of going to the Euro's. He's bound to be desperate to be part of that and it would only do him good.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on February 25, 2012, 10:15:22 PM
Just hope for his sake that his lack of 1st team action doesn't cost him a chance of going to the Euro's. He's bound to be desperate to be part of that and it would only do him good.

It might do, but I doubt it will, I should think that's more a concern for Cox who's behind Long in the Republic of Ireland's pecking order.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion79 on February 25, 2012, 10:18:19 PM
This is the way it should be, Long will of seen the last few games and know we he gets his chance he has to shine, competition for places, couldnt be happier!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Kicking Pigeons on February 26, 2012, 08:12:13 AM
I do think Long is an all-round better player than Fortune, but Fortune has been playing fantastic and is undroppable at the moment. Long will just have to wait for his chance and then take it with both hands when it comes by.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on February 26, 2012, 09:22:04 AM
Yes the thing that Long can do is break from 30, 40 yards and finish a 1 on 1. Don't think MAF has that ability but agree he's undroppable at present and good to see from club point of view.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on March 16, 2012, 09:55:34 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on March 16, 2012, 10:01:07 PM
Any one excited to see Long back ? He was fantastic before that thug hutton injured him, he has played a few games since but he also had some other problems. Now that he has had a few weeks off am sure were see a healthier Shane Long. He has 7 premier league goals which is not bad due to his injuries am confident he could get to 10+ before the season ends. His style reminds me of torres ok not the Chelsea one but the liverpool one. Heres hoping he can score a few goals  :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: boing_boing68 on March 16, 2012, 10:22:09 PM
I dont see how you can just drop MAF
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on March 17, 2012, 09:36:19 AM
Got a feeling that Long's going to start on the bench today.

I think Roy will bring Brunt onto the right to replace the injured Odemwingie and keep MAF up front by himself now that Thomas is fit to play on the left. I thought we really missed JT last week as he is the out ball from the defence and Brunt didn't really do the same job (all be it against Man. Utd.).
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 18, 2012, 03:36:56 AM
was utter dross today, he was either offside or when he got the ball he gave it away.
proves to me that the only way we can play him is in 4-4-2
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on March 18, 2012, 07:39:20 AM
He was ordinary but I don't get this idea that he can only play in a 4-4-2. He was basically the lone striker v Wolves at home and ran them ragged. His hold up play has been very good in some games.
Yesterday our midfield was very ineffective and he got very little service. He should be able to play the role MAF has played recently with JT and Pete in wide positions.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on March 18, 2012, 08:13:40 AM
He was ordinary but I don't get this idea that he can only play in a 4-4-2. He was basically the lone striker v Wolves at home and ran them ragged. His hold up play has been very good in some games.
Yesterday our midfield was very ineffective and he got very little service. He should be able to play the role MAF has played recently with JT and Pete in wide positions.

Yesterday was a bit of a mish mash, we didn't play 451, we didn't play 442. We were just a mess. It looked like Shane tried to play a 442 game as lone striker in 451 and it didn't work at all; we certainly didn't give him the ball the way we do to MAF. Our midfielders were just milling about like headless chickens all game watching the ball instead of having it at their feet and instantly giving it away once they had it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on March 18, 2012, 08:57:27 AM
Yesterday was a bit of a mish mash, we didn't play 451, we didn't play 442. We were just a mess. It looked like Shane tried to play a 442 game as lone striker in 451 and it didn't work at all; we certainly didn't give him the ball the way we do to MAF. Our midfielders were just milling about like headless chickens all game watching the ball instead of having it at their feet and instantly giving it away once they had it.


I agree GrGr
That's the answer he didn't receive any balls to feet
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: baggieheart on March 18, 2012, 09:02:51 AM
Agreed not sure why there is an insistence to keep launching balls to Long always looking over the top of the defender.

I'm sure if we work the ball in the middle we can find that pass inbetween defence & keeper which with his acceleration he will be clean through.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on March 18, 2012, 09:12:57 AM
Agreed not sure why there is an insistence to keep launching balls to Long always looking over the top of the defender.

I'm sure if we work the ball in the middle we can find that pass inbetween defence & keeper which with his acceleration he will be clean through.


Now now watch what your saying your making to much sence to me. ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on March 18, 2012, 10:20:24 AM
Don't know if anyone else is thinking this but after the sad events of yesterday re muamba, it's good for long that the Albion spotted his heart condition and rested it for a while. He needs to be careful though because as we now know anything can happen without any warning signs.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on March 18, 2012, 10:26:32 AM
on the plus side, hes scored more than Torres
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on March 18, 2012, 10:31:17 AM
i agree yesterday, hes should of started MAf, but i think Odemwingie and Long can play together, Long got no service whatsoever from brunt yesterday, I think odemwingie out wide, and Thomas or Tchoyi on the other side, and Long or Maf in the center, we would have a deadly front three
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AshD on March 18, 2012, 10:41:07 AM
I think his performance had more to do with that he isnt fit! He looked at least half a yard off the pace yesterday, and though he is usually good in the air, he rarely won a ball yesterday!

I think he needs to be gradually brought back in, maybe even give him a couple of run outs in the reserves.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on March 18, 2012, 01:32:02 PM
Think Roy realises that SL lacks match fitness and needed 90 minutes to get him back to his best. If hes not 100% we lack cover so why not rest MAF and put him back in against the poorest team in the league? Good decision or calculated gamble by the coach. A draw away in the PL that will do any day of the week.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on March 18, 2012, 01:35:46 PM
The service to him was awful all day to be fair. Andrews should have played him through right at the end but over hit a simple pass. He was a willing runner and faired okay overall. Fortune didn't train for a lot of the week which is why he started.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ronnie on March 18, 2012, 05:55:48 PM
For me Shane Long has had more than his fair share of ineffective games this season, any other sharp eyed Baggie agree ? .. need more convincing personally.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on March 18, 2012, 09:53:11 PM
For me Shane Long has had more than his fair share of ineffective games this season, any other sharp eyed Baggie agree ? .. need more convincing personally.

think at start of season when he was fit he was excellent. since then maybe injury and illness has hampered him a bit? sure he will go on to be a baggies great? has all the tools
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on March 18, 2012, 10:51:11 PM
Wasn't really his fault yesterday, the entire team was pretty poor and he had little support. I like Long and think he'll be fine, but yesterday I think MAF would have been the better option.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: spencer Baggie on March 18, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
He's not been the same since the 'Hutton Challenge' ...

Form before that was excellent.

Given his health scares I think people need to lay off him a bit.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 18, 2012, 11:46:29 PM
For me Shane Long has had more than his fair share of ineffective games this season, any other sharp eyed Baggie agree ? .. need more convincing personally.

im of a similar opinion i think hes a poacher and a finisher but not so good at holding the ball up or creating goal scoring oppotunites to the likes of maf or odemwingie do.

in saying that yesterday the performance all round except foster was poor. seemed to be unsure of shape and system and couldnt string more than 5 passes together. no balls into feet and no balls into the channel for long to chase.

i would go back to maf thomas and odemwingie for next game if all availble. Maf and morrison have been our best performers, i dont like how maf was dropped. id like to see Tchoyi given a go in this system
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on March 19, 2012, 12:12:05 AM
Some people being a bit harsh on him, Jesus the guy has a had a lot of injuries. A fully fit shane long would get 15 goals in the prem.of course he could work on a few things like ball control but am sure this will come in time.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on March 19, 2012, 12:29:08 AM
F**k me Shane had a condition that was squeezing his heart within an inch of him dieing from it. He could barely breath during it and people are discussing his performances. I really give up now especially with the events at Spurs.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mike on March 19, 2012, 07:13:54 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: geoff on March 19, 2012, 08:56:44 AM
Even MAF would have had a tough time on saturday with the servise long was getting it was rubbish.
How many balls to feet did you see played to Long that he didn't control if fact how many balls to his feet did you see all game.
Albion had a bad game & thanks to BF we came away with a point.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2012, 10:24:41 AM
Think Roy realises that SL lacks match fitness and needed 90 minutes to get him back to his best. If hes not 100% we lack cover so why not rest MAF and put him back in against the poorest team in the league? Good decision or calculated gamble by the coach. A draw away in the PL that will do any day of the week.
they didnt look the poorest team in the pl to me on that performance, anyway the wolves are the poorest by a mile.and a draw in the pl will do any day of the week? against the poorest team in the pm? is that not a contradiction in terms?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: MulumbuPower! on March 19, 2012, 10:35:20 AM
I don't think the issue was with Shane yesterday. Although he is our captain and he provides us with an amazing left peg, I think Brunt was woeful yesterday. He wasn't effectively tracking his man back down the flank, but on the ball he was not only slow but also kept moving in field, running into dead ends and also closing space off for Morrison.

We've had debates about which flank he's best suited to (the left btw) but which ever position he's told to play I wish he's keep to it. He's our main supporting player but yesterday he completely disrupted our midfield and we gave Long nothing to work off.

If we've got Thomas on the left, Odemwingie on the right, Long will be able to play like normal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on March 19, 2012, 02:16:33 PM
Is Shane a MAF type of forward though? So far we haven't really tried to play Shane with balls to his feet when he has his back to the goal. We are playing balls down the channels for Shane.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on March 19, 2012, 03:13:32 PM
they didnt look the poorest team in the pl to me on that performance, anyway the wolves are the poorest by a mile.and a draw in the pl will do any day of the week? against the poorest team in the pm? is that not a contradiction in terms?

? last time I looked at the bottom table (sat) they were bottom of the league!..........I rest my case. yes a draw away from home in the PL league is always acceptable. Fortunately we have a good team and an even better coach who have produced even better than that which for a team on our budget is remarkable really. Are wolves the poorest? after yesterdays loss....yes on goal difference
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2012, 03:29:09 PM
mate do you acctually think about what you post? wigan may well have been bottom of the league but that doesnt mean they are the worst team, they play some good football and compete i have seen every team in the league and the wolves are by far the worst team i have seen in a long time.i know you will come back now and say the league table doesnt lie but a lot of it is down to luck and refereeing decions its not that simple of being the best or worse it is based on a lot of things,imo arsenal play better football than man u but they are top but i no who i would sooner watch. mate i dont know you from adam but its pretty clear we will never agree on anything but i will not be bullied or shouted down  or be belittled by you because i have a different view. i think cb is rubbish you dont end of.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on March 19, 2012, 04:03:14 PM
mate do you acctually think about what you post? wigan may well have been bottom of the league but that doesnt mean they are the worst team, they play some good football and compete i have seen every team in the league and the wolves are by far the worst team i have seen in a long time.i know you will come back now and say the league table doesnt lie but a lot of it is down to luck and refereeing decions its not that simple of being the best or worse it is based on a lot of things,imo arsenal play better football than man u but they are top but i no who i would sooner watch. mate i dont know you from adam but its pretty clear we will never agree on anything but i will not be bullied or shouted down  or be belittled by you because i have a different view. i think cb is rubbish you dont end of.

the table doesnt lie.................................arsenal play better football than man utd? how do you work that out? a different style maybe but man utd are better their top of the league?......and just how have i bullied shouted down or belittled you? ive just expressed a difference of opinion to yours i havnt criticised you for having a view.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on March 19, 2012, 07:08:51 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on March 19, 2012, 09:03:13 PM
Hope he's totally over the problem now and gets his confidence back.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on March 19, 2012, 11:57:40 PM
the table doesnt lie.................................arsenal play better football than man utd? how do you work that out? a different style maybe but man utd are better their top of the league?......and just how have i bullied shouted down or belittled you? ive just expressed a difference of opinion to yours i havnt criticised you for having a view.
i answered this this post but my reply was deleted.i work it out by going and watching the games not listening on the radio or watching on the telly.and i mean going to the arsenal and man u games .aswell as the albion i also go to walsall and kiddie and halesowen.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 01, 2012, 10:04:23 PM
Hopefully next season things will be a little less turbulent with injuries etc and Shane can settle down a little more, at times I think he's showed good promise though.

However, having said that, seeing as he's our most expensive signing ever in the history of the club, I think it's hard to declare him a total success just yet, despite what Roy says.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2012, 09:56:53 AM
id like to see him start most games next season if he's performing well because he's shown signs of being great but its been a stuttering season fitness wise for him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 02, 2012, 10:32:10 AM
I would say he is a success.

He is a very talented lad whos had a shocking season for injuries.

In the games where he has had a good run he has been immense.

Wolves at home anyone?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mat15(MH) on April 02, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
That **** Hutton ruined his season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on April 02, 2012, 09:06:04 PM
That **** Hutton ruined his season.

Yep, fitness is the name of Shane's game. If he isn't fit he doesn't really contribute much. His fitness was very impressive until Hutton tried to break his legs, opposing players struggled to cope with Shane's speed and strength.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2012, 09:11:20 PM
McLeish saw that game against wolves where he sweat blood and knew his cloggers would be run ragged.

God I hate that club.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on April 02, 2012, 09:43:57 PM
Repeating myself but Long's another attacker who needs some supply and support........if he was missing loads of chances fair enough judge him but neither he or Pete have had much help.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on April 02, 2012, 09:47:44 PM
Repeating myself but Long's another attacker who needs some supply and support........if he was missing loads of chances fair enough judge him but neither he or Pete have had much help.

So maybe we shouldn't play rubbish hoofball?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2012, 09:56:59 PM
Would that be the "hoofball" we tried for ten minutes in the second half against newcastle and looked the best we have done in three games?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on April 02, 2012, 09:57:44 PM
So maybe we shouldn't play rubbish hoofball?
Its not all the time but when its bad its really bad.Knocking it long is not the answer in this division.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 02, 2012, 10:04:40 PM
The thing is Shane will run like mad into anything, that's a decent part of his game i'd say, sadly, I think, doing that could quite often lead to picking up an injury or two.

However, if you take that away from his game, you perhaps lose part of the player he is.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2012, 10:06:25 PM
I'd actually like to see Long play the Fortune role in a 433 with Odemwingie and Thomas either side, I think he would excel there with his hold up and ariel ability plus he's a much better finisher than Fortune, who I also rate btw.

He's the only striker who has the ability to score headers, something the above system could supply regularly.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on April 02, 2012, 10:10:17 PM
I'd actually like to see Long play the Fortune role in a 433 with Odemwingie and Thomas either side, I think he would excel there with his hold up and ariel ability plus he's a much better finisher than Fortune, who I also rate btw.

He's the only striker who has the ability to score headers, something the above system could supply regularly.

Maybe play Brunt then, or even Tchoyi, who can hit good crosses (Stoke at home to Long)  unlike JT who rarely pulls them off.  Brunt on the left hitting crosses for Long and PO coming in from the other flank.

Edit: Or you mean with Brunt in midfield with Mulumbu and a.n.other? Hm, I like that :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBArgo on April 02, 2012, 11:32:29 PM
Been our best striker of the season (overall). Since Hutton's awful foul he's been jaded, but recently has picked up some form again. You can't deny class forever and he's still doing well.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 03, 2012, 05:36:18 PM
Been our best striker of the season (overall).

Each to their own opinion, but I'm not sure I'd say he's been our best striker this season.  Odemwingie's blown hot and cold, played diabolical at times,  but I'd say we'd have missed his contribution this season more.  I'd also say that some of Fortune's performances have outshone Long's.

Long had some very encouraging games early on, but he's also had some stinkers too, with some sitters missed to boot.  Oddly, unlike with some other players, these poor performances just get brushed aside.

I'd say it's still too early to properly assess Long on whether he's going to be a total success or not.  As said, we spent a large amount of money on him.  A return of no assists and 7 goals a season is at best a minimal expectation in my view for the record fee we paid.  Still, as said, he's had a lot of injury issues and perhaps like many players needs time to settle into the premiership.  I think we'll get a better picture of him next year, and hopefully Shane has an injury free one.

I do like him as a player by the way, am encouraged from what I've seen, I'm just saying it is perhaps a bit too early to fully assess as he's been out for decent chunks of his first season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on April 03, 2012, 08:37:02 PM
Each to their own opinion, but I'm not sure I'd say he's been our best striker this season.  Odemwingie's blown hot and cold, played diabolical at times,  but I'd say we'd have missed his contribution this season more.  I'd also say that some of Fortune's performances have outshone Long's.

Long had some very encouraging games early on, but he's also had some stinkers too, with some sitters missed to boot.  Oddly, unlike with some other players, these poor performances just get brushed aside.


I'd say it's still too early to properly assess Long on whether he's going to be a total success or not.  As said, we spent a large amount of money on him.  A return of no assists and 7 goals a season is at best a minimal expectation in my view for the record fee we paid.  Still, as said, he's had a lot of injury issues and perhaps like many players needs time to settle into the premiership.  I think we'll get a better picture of him next year, and hopefully Shane has an injury free one.

I do like him as a player by the way, am encouraged from what I've seen, I'm just saying it is perhaps a bit too early to fully assess as he's been out for decent chunks of his first season.

I think people, at least I am, are simply giving him the benefit of the doubt. I ususally don't make my mind up about players until after some considerable time playing for us. As  you say Shane has been excellent at times and not so good at other times. Tbh I am not at all certain Long is a good fit for our club. But he runs around a lot and is physical which seems to go a long way with some fans.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mat15(MH) on April 03, 2012, 08:54:39 PM
Each to their own opinion, but I'm not sure I'd say he's been our best striker this season.  Odemwingie's blown hot and cold, played diabolical at times,  but I'd say we'd have missed his contribution this season more.  I'd also say that some of Fortune's performances have outshone Long's.

Long had some very encouraging games early on, but he's also had some stinkers too, with some sitters missed to boot.  Oddly, unlike with some other players, these poor performances just get brushed aside.

I'd say it's still too early to properly assess Long on whether he's going to be a total success or not.  As said, we spent a large amount of money on him.  A return of no assists and 7 goals a season is at best a minimal expectation in my view for the record fee we paid.  Still, as said, he's had a lot of injury issues and perhaps like many players needs time to settle into the premiership.  I think we'll get a better picture of him next year, and hopefully Shane has an injury free one.

I do like him as a player by the way, am encouraged from what I've seen, I'm just saying it is perhaps a bit too early to fully assess as he's been out for decent chunks of his first season.

I can only judge him on what I've seen, and when he was at his best(The games leading up to Villa) he looked like he could score goals at this level for us and seemed to have a very good all-round game.

In terms of his bad games being over-looked, I think that's probably down to the way he plays. Whether you think it is right or wrong, fans like to see a player running around and hassling the defence, for lack of a better phrase "putting a shift in" which Long always does. And though he probably does as well, someone like Pete it seems as if he isn't.

Another reason maybe that there is more expectation on Pete's shoulders from fans, particularly after last season's exploits.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on April 03, 2012, 10:47:29 PM
There's been a lot of talk about Long and Pete can't play together but when they do play together it means its usually 4-4-2. When we've played 4-4-2 very often its been Scharner and Mulumbu in the middle - sorry but which front 2 would thrive with such lack of creativity in midfield ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BobTaylor on April 04, 2012, 12:50:57 PM
At readings training ground today players must have been given a day off.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAGinge on April 04, 2012, 02:34:28 PM
Wednesday is usually their day off unless theres a game midweek.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarich on April 04, 2012, 02:46:21 PM
Been our best striker of the season (overall). Since Hutton's awful foul he's been jaded, but recently has picked up some form again. You can't deny class forever and he's still doing well.

I agree hes been our best striker overall this season, imo hes the best striker at the club. When he was fully fit and getting a run of games he was on fire and defenders couldnt cope with him. Hopefully he can get a good pre season and be fully fit for next season and have a better season injury wise and if he does I think we will see the Long we saw just before the Vile game.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: bobcracker on April 04, 2012, 03:22:05 PM
I like Long, but to say he is the best all round striker is odd when he has the worst pass completion rate this season of any player in the squad and doesn't have a single assist. I think he was at his best playing as a front runner in a 4-5-1 with someone like Gera behind where he doesn't have to become involved in the build up, I'd still have Odemwingie as our number 1 striker
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on April 04, 2012, 07:38:26 PM
I like Long, but to say he is the best all round striker is odd when he has the worst pass completion rate this season of any player in the squad and doesn't have a single assist. I think he was at his best playing as a front runner in a 4-5-1 with someone like Gera behind where he doesn't have to become involved in the build up, I'd still have Odemwingie as our number 1 striker

Cant argue with that Bob. Long is a work in progress but he has so much potential. I totally agree with you about Gera. I think SL would have benefited immensely from having a player with Geras class and football intelligence alongside him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: buzzingbaggie on April 04, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
I like Long, but to say he is the best all round striker is odd when he has the worst pass completion rate this season of any player in the squad and doesn't have a single assist. I think he was at his best playing as a front runner in a 4-5-1 with someone like Gera behind where he doesn't have to become involved in the build up, I'd still have Odemwingie as our number 1 striker


Assist v qpr for odemwingie?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 04, 2012, 09:50:19 PM

Assist v qpr for odemwingie?

Other way around, Odemwingie for Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 04, 2012, 10:06:34 PM
I like Long, but to say he is the best all round striker is odd when he has the worst pass completion rate this season of any player in the squad and doesn't have a single assist.

Their official stats so far:

Long
Goals scored 7 (1 pen)
Assists 0
Crosses 6


Odemwingie
Goals scored 10 (1 pen)
Assists 5
Crosses 27


http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/peter-odemwingie
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/shane-long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on April 04, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
Their official stats so far:

Long
Goals scored 7 (1 pen)
Assists 0
Crosses 6


Odemwingie
Goals scored 10 (1 pen)
Assists 5
Crosses 27


http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/peter-odemwingie
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/shane-long

And this is an 'off' season for PO and a great season for Long...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 11, 2012, 10:54:03 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on April 11, 2012, 10:57:52 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on April 11, 2012, 11:00:58 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on April 11, 2012, 11:04:14 PM
We dont know what the fee was any more rich. It seems the national and local media got it wrong at the time and only now are we hearing local journalists say the fee was "a lot lower than what was quoted at the time". I think it was actually a down payment of 3-3.5 rising in instalments depending on results. A sensible fee really.

He has suffered with injuries so far this year and the stop start nature wont have helped. He has also had to fit himself into sides that sometimes are not built to support him, unlike Odemwingie who has in his time here had a few teams set up around him.

With this being his first season, and all of the injuries, id say 7 goals (hopefully 8-9 by the end of the season), is an okay first season tally.

He will need to establish himself next season, but I think he has some of the tools to succeed.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 11, 2012, 11:26:22 PM
We dont know what the fee was any more rich. It seems the national and local media got it wrong at the time and only now are we hearing local journalists say the fee was "a lot lower than what was quoted at the time". I think it was actually a down payment of 3-3.5 rising in instalments depending on results. A sensible fee really.



Fair enough, I didn't realise that, Baggies.

Having said that, who knows?  Clubs often down play the size of fees paid (other times the total opposite), sometimes even to the point of many of them not even disclosing them.  I guess a lot of it is to do with what suits the mantra at the time of speaking.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2012, 12:16:04 AM
I just wish he'd stay on his feet. I hate a diver and we seem to have one... Not much has changed since his Reading days. 7 goals is a decent return for his first season but I agree the jury is out. To me he is a lot of huff and puff, I'm just not sure there is quality anywhere near to matching the work-rate.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarich on April 16, 2012, 02:50:25 PM
I just wish he'd stay on his feet. I hate a diver and we seem to have one... Not much has changed since his Reading days. 7 goals is a decent return for his first season but I agree the jury is out. To me he is a lot of huff and puff, I'm just not sure there is quality anywhere near to matching the work-rate.

You clearly didn't see him in the wolves at home game then and the few games before that. That dirty vile scumbag hutton ruined his season by crippling him and since then its been stop start for him, if he had a regular run in the team and was fully fit he would have more than enough quality.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: westbrom87 on April 16, 2012, 03:00:27 PM
He only really had half a season of regular football and got 7 goals.  So you could argue if Hutton hadn't crippled him he would have continued and got 15 goals the same as Pete.

I'm more than happy with his end product this season, and of course his work rate and attitude doesnt need to be mentioned.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on April 16, 2012, 04:22:11 PM
I just wish he'd stay on his feet. I hate a diver and we seem to have one... Not much has changed since his Reading days. 7 goals is a decent return for his first season but I agree the jury is out. To me he is a lot of huff and puff, I'm just not sure there is quality anywhere near to matching the work-rate.

Jacko cant agree with you there. Wouldnt put Long in the diver category at all. (see saurez or young for that). Up to the point he got injured (villa) he showed plenty of raw promise. Since then he has been a bit stop start and when he has been in he has fed off scraps nothing more. I definately think he would benefit from a cultured forward partner like Gera for example. I think you might have to eat your words on this one at some point. I think he will go on to be a hit for us and the PL.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DutchBaggies on April 16, 2012, 05:37:36 PM
I think if he was a diver, he would took advantage of the fact that Ferdinand or Clit Hill or whoever was hanging off him like a giant Orange scarf instead of trying to get a shot on goal.  I would have backed Longy to score from there, but for him being fouled. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smosher34 on April 16, 2012, 05:39:00 PM
hope he starts against villa and scores 3 and bangs it up hutton !
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: hunsletbaggie on April 16, 2012, 06:50:11 PM
hope he starts against villa and scores 3 and bangs it up hutton !
If he starts against the vile we will lose if we are going to play one up front it's got to be Fortune every time he's the only one who can hold up the play and bring people in with any success.For me Long has been a bit of a let down for the money we paid. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: telford baggie on April 16, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
i dont understand how people saying long has been a let down at the beginning of the season when we only had long as pete was "injured" and all of a sudden hodgson went to press to slag him off he hasnt been injured since! majority on here were saying how good long was and if he got injured we would be screwed... its his first season in the prem hes had injuries and illness and last couple of months only played with hodgson changes it to sit back then shoves long upfront on his to run his balls off. next season we will see the best of shane long..for effort alone the lad deserves time getting rid of him would be a very bad move
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 16, 2012, 07:10:56 PM
Long was going fine until Hutton tried to cripple him at Seal Park. Since then he's had injury problems and not been able to get games and adjust to the Premier League fully, I think he's had a pretty successful first season with us with his injuries being taken into consideration.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on April 16, 2012, 07:14:02 PM
his first season and he's done ok but no more, his first touch and passing need a lot of work for this level
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on April 17, 2012, 10:03:26 PM
Stats are always a bit dangerous - comparing Long and Pete, Pete naturally tends to drift wide even when he played as the loan striker last year. It's pretty obvious because of that he will get more crosses and assists.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on April 17, 2012, 10:21:46 PM
Im looking forward to seeing Long next season. If he can put his injury problems behind him, he will have a good season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: sing on our own on April 18, 2012, 09:15:02 AM
Im a fan of Long and up until Hutton tried to kill him he was looking awesome.............it wouldnt suprise me if Reading made a cheeky bid to buy him back now they have been promoted and as he still goes to watch them it may be a tough choice for him!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 18, 2012, 10:59:44 AM
proffesional advice is never go back. it almost never works out.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on April 22, 2012, 08:06:08 PM
Lead the line fantastically today i thought and caused Skrtel no end of problems. His work rate and hold up play were excellent. Certainly shown enough this season to suggest we have a quality player on our hands.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on April 22, 2012, 08:08:44 PM
Lead the line fantastically today i thought and caused Skrtel no end of problems. His work rate and hold up play were excellent. Certainly shown enough this season to suggest we have a quality player on our hands.
yet turned away from a 1 on 1. Lack of confidence I guess.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on April 22, 2012, 08:11:31 PM
yet turned away from a 1 on 1. Lack of confidence I guess.

Even Fortune would of had a shot then. Cannot believe he passed it. Had a good game overall though.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 22, 2012, 08:22:19 PM
Did Shane play with Kevin Doyle at Reading much?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2012, 08:30:09 PM
Did Shane play with Kevin Doyle at Reading much?

Why? Not a pairing I would be keen on at Albion...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on April 22, 2012, 08:33:11 PM
Lead the line fantastically today i thought and caused Skrtel no end of problems. His work rate and hold up play were excellent. Certainly shown enough this season to suggest we have a quality player on our hands.
How Skrtel didnt get booked i will never know,good all round game from Long except the shot he turned away from.I just wish Long and Pete could play together a bit better.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: DaveWBA on April 22, 2012, 08:37:35 PM
He is more than capable of performing the Fortune role, and is arguably better in the air. For next season I'd like to see him come into replace MAF, not a dig at Fortune but I think Long has more goals in him. Played well today, back to the Long we saw at the beginning of the season, will be interesting to see what he can produce will a full injury free season behind him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 22, 2012, 08:40:04 PM
If Roy stays I think he may play Zoltan behind him with Pete out wide
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2012, 08:42:53 PM
He is more than capable of performing the Fortune role, and is arguably better in the air. For next season I'd like to see him come into replace MAF, not a dig at Fortune but I think Long has more goals in him. Played well today, back to the Long we saw at the beginning of the season, will be interesting to see what he can produce will a full injury free season behind him.

Doesn't hold-up the ball or link play half as well as Fortune. Jury is still out, effort and endeavour is there in bundles. He doesn't give defenders a minutes peace, but he doesn't affect the game as much as he should and that chance he turned down was borderline criminal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: boinging_along on April 22, 2012, 11:44:58 PM
I think he just didn't realise how much space was in, just assumed he was under pressure.  Shame.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Ogwani on April 23, 2012, 12:20:03 AM
Shane Long was really good today aside from the obvious chance when he had literally a whole half of football to shoot. Aside from that he looked more like his old self.

Skrtel almost killed him at one point, Shlong really is unlucky with some of these challenges he has had against him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: astle68 on April 23, 2012, 03:05:16 AM
Doesn't hold-up the ball or link play half as well as Fortune. Jury is still out, effort and endeavour is there in bundles. He doesn't give defenders a minutes peace, but he doesn't affect the game as much as he should and that chance he turned down was borderline criminal.

Correct

I still reckon he'll turn out to be a blinding player for us, though
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: 63Brummie on April 23, 2012, 11:57:22 AM
Just want to praise him for how he's started with us really, he gives 100% every game, creates chances for himself and his link up play is also decent. Whilst Odemwingie spends the games sulking for whatever reason, Long just gets on with it and it's paid off 3 times already and he should really have more goals to his name (Swansea away).

If we are going to go 451, then it is Odemwingie we should drop not Long. Long out of all our 'attacking' players is the first name on the team sheet at the moment for me.
Shane Long played really well yesterday against Liverpool; he was knocked for Pillar to post by Skyrtil but kept going, almost set up a goal for Brunt..all in all my MOTM ;D

                            Foster
Jones   McAuley             Olsson  Ridgewell

 Dorrans             Mulumbu         Brunt

  Odemwingie                                  Long
                       
                                 Fortune
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on April 23, 2012, 12:17:46 PM
Doesn't hold-up the ball or link play half as well as Fortune. Jury is still out, effort and endeavour is there in bundles. He doesn't give defenders a minutes peace, but he doesn't affect the game as much as he should and that chance he turned down was borderline criminal.


Personally, the jury is not out on him for me. In his minutes on the pitch he's done more than enough to convince me that he will be a major asset for us at this level. Whilst his link up play needs work, his pace, work rate and aerial ability (the guy has an incredible leap) scare defenders and his return of 7 goals is commendable given the injuries he's had. The big question mark for me is over the PO and Long partnership which has been sporadically effective at best. If we can somehow get this to click we have the potential to be a real force again next season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 23, 2012, 01:34:59 PM
Long for me has been a very good signing. He has struggled after his injury to make a mark, but he showed how good he is at the start of the season pretty consistently. We just need to play a team to compliment his attributes, and we will see him being very effective.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on April 23, 2012, 02:57:49 PM
Top quality player cant think of a game when he hasnt put a shift in. When he settles at this level he could be a very potent force.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on April 29, 2012, 11:55:43 AM
I'll probably get slated for this but I don't think Long will cut it at this level. Started the season really well, and I would assume that will be because of the adrenaline of being back in the top flight playing against the likes of Chelsea and United. However, since then, he's shown what he's really about. He'll run all day for you, he has a lot of good physical attributes like his strength, pace and leap, which will get you goals in the Championship. At this level though you need a bit more, you need a good first touch and technical ability to be successful at this level and for me Shane isn't quite there.

Time is on his side and hopefully he can improve his touch but at the moment, for me, he is a Championship player.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on April 29, 2012, 12:01:22 PM
I'll probably get slated for this but I don't think Long will cut it at this level. Started the season really well, and I would assume that will be because of the adrenaline of being back in the top flight playing against the likes of Chelsea and United. However, since then, he's shown what he's really about. He'll run all day for you, he has a lot of good physical attributes like his strength, pace and leap, which will get you goals in the Championship. At this level though you need a bit more, you need a good first touch and technical ability to be successful at this level and for me Shane isn't quite there.

Time is on his side and hopefully he can improve his touch but at the moment, for me, he is a Championship player.

I agree. Without fitness there is very little to Shane's game. He lacks footballing sense, skill and an all round game. It is very tough to be a good PL striker, you really have to have a lot going for you.

For the money spent I'd rather have someone like Jelavic...
 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie79 on April 29, 2012, 12:04:18 PM
I'll probably get slated for this but I don't think Long will cut it at this level. Started the season really well, and I would assume that will be because of the adrenaline of being back in the top flight playing against the likes of Chelsea and United. However, since then, he's shown what he's really about. He'll run all day for you, he has a lot of good physical attributes like his strength, pace and leap, which will get you goals in the Championship. At this level though you need a bit more, you need a good first touch and technical ability to be successful at this level and for me Shane isn't quite there.

Time is on his side and hopefully he can improve his touch but at the moment, for me, he is a Championship player.

Dont agree totally but I do think the phrases works hard and leaps well are used more than excellent finish in his case.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on April 29, 2012, 12:14:29 PM
I think we need to wait until next season. Two things have hampered his progress this season. The first is injury, which has stopped him being able to get a good run in the side. The second is partnering Odemwingie whenever he plays. I think Long might benefit from playing with somebody else, maybe Gera, next season. You do feel though we do seem to play more long balls when Long is playing up front. Hopefully, next season this will be countered by having another strike partner.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 29, 2012, 01:16:58 PM
I think we need to wait until next season. Two things have hampered his progress this season. The first is injury, which has stopped him being able to get a good run in the side. The second is partnering Odemwingie whenever he plays. I think Long might benefit from playing with somebody else, maybe Gera, next season. You do feel though we do seem to play more long balls when Long is playing up front. Hopefully, next season this will be countered by having another strike partner.

So you suggest Odemwingie, our best player, not playing regularly on the off chance Long comes good?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: ian on April 29, 2012, 02:09:15 PM
Long is not quite good enough for what we are looking for he may or may not come good his link up play is poor and he very rarely picks the right option if we really want to move up another level then we need quality to link up with odemwingie in my opinion
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 29, 2012, 03:57:51 PM
Villa's tatic yesterday was to quickly get men around him the second he received the ball and there was one or two occasions when late challenges were made (thinking of the one in particular from Warnock). Shane didn't have the greatest game in the world yesterday and proved to be ineffective, just like his strike partner Odemwingie. It was no surprise to see a change in momentum once Fortune was introduced. I just wished Hodgson would of made the change 10-15 minutes earlier.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on April 29, 2012, 06:00:00 PM
He's not good enough.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: divinewind on April 29, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
He's not good enough.

It's a matter of opinion but i think he is.At the moment we have no one upfront with his pace and aerial ability.
It will be interesting to see how he would play with Gera in the side.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 29, 2012, 06:09:40 PM
He's not good enough.

I still think he deserves another season before we make that judgment. There have been times this season where he's looked a very good player in this league, and then there's been times unfortunately (after his injury) where he's looked like a championship player in the Premier League. The jury is still out, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 30, 2012, 12:17:35 AM
He's not good enough.

i agree! hes been worked out already think hes abit of a flop i hope he changes my mind next season!
we need more fire power need a striker in the summer! as for me long is just a poormans darren bent give him a 1 on 1 and a pen and hes fine otherwise, no use. he doesnt score belters like odemwingie and his build up play is not as good. and whislt being good in the air cant hold the play up
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: danwatson on April 30, 2012, 12:25:43 AM
I honestly wouldn't be suprised to see him go back to Reading this summer. Though I think he could potentially do very well next season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on April 30, 2012, 12:27:23 AM
I honestly wouldn't be suprised to see him go back to Reading this summer. Though I think he could potentially do very well next season.

I think they offered upwards of 7million I would take it, although, I think he will still be here.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 30, 2012, 12:44:06 AM
He's not good enough.

I think it too early to write him off just yet, next season we will get a bigger picture when Long gets a better run in the side.  It's still too early to call in my view.

I do think however it fair to have a slight element of concern over the signing though from what we've seen so far.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on April 30, 2012, 12:52:32 AM
I honestly wouldn't be suprised to see him go back to Reading this summer.

I did find it odd how their boss was publicly touting him around for sale in the summer,  it's not something often see.  Maybe he just wished the best for him and a place in a Premiership side.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2012, 06:52:55 PM
They are pretty close as McDermott brought him over and Long stayed with him at first I think. They seem to have a close bond and think McDermott was genuinely looking after his interests and promised Long a move to the prem if they missed out last year - which they did.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarich on May 03, 2012, 03:01:57 PM
Cannot believe the people saying Long isn't good enough! What an absolute disgrace. You lot obviously have very short memories, until he got injured he was in brilliant form. He wasn't great against Villa but their tactic was to kick him off the park again. Against Liverpool the week before he was absolutely brilliant and ran the show. He is good in the air, quick, can finish, hold the play up. For me the jury is NOT out on him, hes a class act. He's had a season ruined by injuries and still got 7 goals and a couple of assists. Really hope he proves you lot wrong next season because he is a class act
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 03, 2012, 03:23:17 PM
Yes he might like McDermott /reading but
A) he's under contract
B) lots of players play for clubs who they don't support (hey bully ?)

To say he's no good is quite unfair , he terrorised man u and Chelsea and not many do that , certainly looked better with tchoyi rather than pete so something for the new guy to sort, personally I think pete will leave .
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albion59 on May 03, 2012, 03:23:59 PM
Cannot believe the people saying Long isn't good enough! What an absolute disgrace. You lot obviously have very short memories, until he got injured he was in brilliant form. He wasn't great against Villa but their tactic was to kick him off the park again. Against Liverpool the week before he was absolutely brilliant and ran the show. He is good in the air, quick, can finish, hold the play up. For me the jury is NOT out on him, hes a class act. He's had a season ruined by injuries and still got 7 goals and a couple of assists. Really hope he proves you lot wrong next season because he is a class act
i have to admit this is a spot on post and i agree 100% with everything you say.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 03, 2012, 03:32:25 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on May 03, 2012, 03:37:56 PM
i agree! hes been worked out already think hes abit of a flop i hope he changes my mind next season!
we need more fire power need a striker in the summer! as for me long is just a poormans darren bent give him a 1 on 1 and a pen and hes fine otherwise, no use. he doesnt score belters like odemwingie and his build up play is not as good. and whislt being good in the air cant hold the play up
Just a question what do you think of Fortune's finishing/ heading/ one on ones/ belters?? Going on your way of judging is Fortune a poor mans Heskey? I find it baffling how many on here say how great MAF is because he works hard yet find time to slate Long in his first season with a new club in a different league??? He has scored 7 in 22 starts which is a decent enough return in his first season and he is going to be a great player for us in my opinion.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 03, 2012, 03:45:50 PM
Cannot believe the people saying Long isn't good enough! What an absolute disgrace. You lot obviously have very short memories, until he got injured he was in brilliant form. He wasn't great against Villa but their tactic was to kick him off the park again. Against Liverpool the week before he was absolutely brilliant and ran the show. He is good in the air, quick, can finish, hold the play up. For me the jury is NOT out on him, hes a class act. He's had a season ruined by injuries and still got 7 goals and a couple of assists. Really hope he proves you lot wrong next season because he is a class act

Why is it a disgrace? People have different opinions to yours. If you cannot face that not everybody will have the same view as you then forums aren't a place you will particulary like. Shane Long for some of his good performances, hasn't hit the heights he could possibly have reached this season. There's been many games where he's been poor, ineffective and the team as looked poor as a result of it.

You have your opinion and others have theres, so will you put your opinion forward without the need to call everybody elses a "disgrace".
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 03, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
He is a very good player, but since the 'Hutton' tackle he hasnt been the same player. More a confidence thing i'd imagine. Hopefully next season he will score some goals which will lead to a good tally come May 2013.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on May 03, 2012, 04:04:40 PM
Why is it a disgrace? People have different opinions to yours. If you cannot face that not everybody will have the same view as you then forums aren't a place you will particulary like. Shane Long for some of his good performances, hasn't hit the heights he could possibly have reached this season. There's been many games where he's been poor, ineffective and the team as looked poor as a result of it.

You have your opinion and others have theres, so will you put your opinion forward without the need to call everybody elses a "disgrace".


That sentence could be levelled at pretty much the whole of our squad in all fairness. Our attacking players in particular have been very up and down in terms of their form this season.

I have to say, I am surprised that some people on here don't seem to rate Long. I think in his spells of full fitness he's shown plenty of quality and IMO has many of the attributes needed to be a top striker in this league. With a PL season under his belt and with his injuries hopefully behind him, I think we will see Shane's ability on a more consistent basis next season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on May 03, 2012, 04:13:59 PM

That sentence could be levelled at pretty much the whole of our squad in all fairness. Our attacking players in particular have been very up and down in terms of their form this season.

I have to say, I am surprised that some people on here don't seem to rate Long. I think in his spells of full fitness he's shown plenty of quality and IMO has many of the attributes needed to be a top striker in this league. With a PL season under his belt and with his injuries hopefully behind him, I think we will see Shane's ability on a more consistent basis next season.


I think most people do rate him, they're just frustrated he hasn't played more and contributed a bit more.We paid a hefty outlay for him and he has been our third most impressive striker this season. I have no doubt that he has the quality to compete at this level: he is quick,strong,good in the air, tenacious. I'm not sure what system he can fit into yet. Not confident about him as a lone striker, the ball doesn't stick, and when he's played with Pete we've generally been poor. Shame he didn't get a few more run outs with Tchoyi - he flourished when they played together.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 03, 2012, 04:16:19 PM

That sentence could be levelled at pretty much the whole of our squad in all fairness. Our attacking players in particular have been very up and down in terms of their form this season.

I have to say, I am surprised that some people on here don't seem to rate Long. I think in his spells of full fitness he's shown plenty of quality and IMO has many of the attributes needed to be a top striker in this league. With a PL season under his belt and with his injuries hopefully behind him, I think we will see Shane's ability on a more consistent basis next season.

I do agree, Nocky. I've said all season that there's around 6 or 7 players which haven't performed to the standards they've set themselves. My point was, our whole system apears to change when Shane Long is in the side and, in my opinion, we look a much more fluent footballing side when Marc Antoine Fortune is starting ahead of Shane Long.

I do agree, that with the injuries behind him, that Shane Long can be a very good player in this division.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on May 03, 2012, 04:32:18 PM
It would be interesting to see how he`d play with Fortune as its quite obvious he cant play with Odemwingie.
Anyone who scores against Man Utd and Chelsea cant be no mug.
I`d personally think Shane Long looks a different player when paired with Somen Tchoyi.
The people slagging Shane Long off are the same muppets who slag Billy Jones off
and are the same idiots who think Simon Cox is god!!!!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on May 03, 2012, 04:41:55 PM
It would be interesting to see how he`d play with Fortune as its quite obvious he cant play with Odemwingie.
Anyone who scores against Man Utd and Chelsea cant be no mug.
I`d personally think Shane Long looks a different player when paired with Somen Tchoyi.
The people slagging Shane Long off are the same muppets who slag Billy Jones off
and are the same idiots who think Simon Cox is god!!!!!

To be fair De Gea threw that one in his own net. The Chelsea goal was a cracker.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: ian on May 03, 2012, 06:39:25 PM
It would be interesting to see how he`d play with Fortune as its quite obvious he cant play with Odemwingie.
Anyone who scores against Man Utd and Chelsea cant be no mug.
I`d personally think Shane Long looks a different player when paired with Somen Tchoyi.
The people slagging Shane Long off are the same muppets who slag Billy Jones off
and are the same idiots who think Simon Cox is god!!!!!
Obviously not the same muppets and idiots who think shane long is our saviour and is a premiership player which at this moment i would say he still has it all to do
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 03, 2012, 06:41:33 PM
It would be interesting to see how he`d play with Fortune as its quite obvious he cant play with Odemwingie.
Anyone who scores against Man Utd and Chelsea cant be no mug.
I`d personally think Shane Long looks a different player when paired with Somen Tchoyi.
The people slagging Shane Long off are the same muppets who slag Billy Jones off
and are the same idiots who think Simon Cox is god!!!!!

Seriously, is there any need for the "muppets" and "idiots"?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 03, 2012, 07:14:15 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 03, 2012, 07:42:15 PM
I think most people do rate him, they're just frustrated he hasn't played more and contributed a bit more.We paid a hefty outlay for him and he has been our third most impressive striker this season. I have no doubt that he has the quality to compete at this level: he is quick,strong,good in the air, tenacious. I'm not sure what system he can fit into yet. Not confident about him as a lone striker, the ball doesn't stick, and when he's played with Pete we've generally been poor. Shame he didn't get a few more run outs with Tchoyi - he flourished when they played together.

Think koren thats why Roy wanted a player in the mould of Gera. Sadly for Long and us he went and got himself injured. So looking forward to him being back next year. A class player who would have created space and time for Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on May 03, 2012, 07:50:19 PM
If we could recoup our outlay on him, I'd let him go and take a punt on someone else...

Fletcher from then Dingles, anyone?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: westbrom4ever on May 03, 2012, 07:54:11 PM
Wonder if Reading will come in for him, he is clearly homesick.

If they do we should look at Fletcher or Yakubu.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 03, 2012, 07:55:21 PM
If we could recoup our outlay on him, I'd let him go and take a punt on someone else...

Fletcher from then Dingles, anyone?

Come on Floydy you gotta be kidding surely? And anyway start selling your best assets and we all know where that leads. Just ask down the Villa.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LegendOfAstle on May 03, 2012, 07:57:29 PM
well i think if Long does go, Doyle would be a good replacement.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on May 03, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on May 03, 2012, 07:59:05 PM
Think koren thats why Roy wanted a player in the mould of Gera. Sadly for Long and us he went and got himself injured. So looking forward to him being back next year. A class player who would have created space and time for Long.

That's a really good point. Perhaps one of our most accomplished performances this season came against Bolton when Gera and Long were paired up. We certainly need another a player who can fill that Gera role - Glfyi Sigurdsson would be ideal however I feel he is out of our reach. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 03, 2012, 08:00:13 PM
Wonder if Reading will come in for him, he is clearly homesick.

If they do we should look at Fletcher or Yakubu.

How can you possibly know this? Maybe he is the happiest hes ever been in his life.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on May 03, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on May 03, 2012, 08:02:46 PM
Wonder if Reading will come in for him, he is clearly homesick.

If they do we should look at Fletcher or Yakubu.

Agreed - both would be an improvement.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LegendOfAstle on May 03, 2012, 08:13:46 PM
How can you possibly know this? Maybe he is the happiest hes ever been in his life.

Reading looks like they will be taken over and have ALOT of money - a big attraction to Long (if they wanted him back) but i wont be TO bothered as there are plenty of players we could replace him with. If west ham don't go up i wouldn't mind pinching the likes of carlton cole, nolan or noble.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rajesh-wba on May 03, 2012, 08:15:00 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on May 03, 2012, 08:19:59 PM
Come on lets give him a chance, 7 goals in a season is good considering the injuries he has had is pretty good. Up to Villa away we were all saying how good he is and how he could play for a top 6 team. And now were saying he aint good enough ? ::) I agree he can improve on some parts of his game but to sell him would be madness.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 03, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
Agreed - both would be an improvement.

So lets replace our players with those from teams that are and will be relegated. A real step forward.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LegendOfAstle on May 03, 2012, 08:26:58 PM
Top 6 team??? I agree we shouldn't sell him but come on.... your saying he would get into teams ahead of Rooney, Berbatov, Cisse, Aebayor, Aguero, Tevev, Saurez, Van Persie, Ba, Saha, Defoe ?  ::)

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on May 03, 2012, 08:29:45 PM
Top 6 team??? I agree we shouldn't sell him but come on.... your saying he would get into teams ahead of Rooney, Berbatov, Cisse, Aebayor, Aguero, Tevev, Saurez, Van Persie, Ba, Saha, Defoe ?  ::)

No if you read back at some posts before Villa away most supporters on here including myself and even Roy said he could play for a top 6 team, he was playing fantastic. But sadly that thug hutton seemed to take the stuffing out of him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on May 03, 2012, 08:31:08 PM
Up to Villa away we were all saying how good he is and how he could play for a top 6 team.

The Villa injury was well over 6 months ago now though.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on May 03, 2012, 08:32:13 PM
So lets replace our players with those from teams that are and will be relegated. A real step forward.

Quite a lot of our players have been relegated before. Some more than once. Doesn't make them bad players.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on May 03, 2012, 08:36:26 PM
Up to the Villa game Shane was fantastic against Wolves but,... that was Wolves who have a Championship defence. There were other games where he was a complete non-factor like Swansea. The concern for me with Shane is if we need to set up our entire attacking play to suit his strenghts. I wonder if he is too reliant on fitness rather than basic skills.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on May 03, 2012, 08:36:57 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 03, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
Form is temporary, class is permanent. Long scored against Man Utd and Chelsea in his first two games, not many players do that.

Hopefully he'll get back to his best next season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 03, 2012, 08:42:39 PM
Quite a lot of our players have been relegated before. Some more than once. Doesn't make them bad players.

didnt say they were but if your going to replace Shane Long or any player for that matter then replace him with better. fletcher and yakubu i think not?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on May 03, 2012, 08:48:10 PM
Shane long has not long brought a house in suton coldfield. He has moved his family down here so i really cannot see him leaving. He was our best  player until he got injured why would we sell him?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dorrans17 on May 03, 2012, 08:52:17 PM
I'm a big admirer of Shane Long, and I can't really get over that people are looking to move him on. He's a nice lad too, me and my Dad were speaking to him after the Villa game for a wee while. Looked like his family was there with him, at least I think it was his Dad.

Nice guy, good player. Has such a spring in his step to get up to win headers, had a bit of a stop start season. I'm 90% sure he will come good though!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 03, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
Anyone who was at Anfield will testify to how good this lad can go on to be. If you started a new job tomorrow would you expect to be at your best from day one or in month one....or month three? No it takes time to acquire the experience that enables us to excel in the job. Why would we want to get rid of him. Results arnt instant they take time. Its taken us five years or so to build this squad why would SL be any different to any other player coming from a lower level. The current England manager described his performance at Liverpool as that of one and a half players. Hardly a coach writing his player off as not good enough is it
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on May 03, 2012, 08:54:36 PM
didnt say they were but if your going to replace Shane Long or any player for that matter then replace him with better. fletcher and yakubu i think not?

Yakubu has scored over 100 Prem goals. When Long reaches that I may agree. I also think Fletcher's has more to his game too.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 03, 2012, 08:58:16 PM
Yakubu has scored over 100 Prem goals. When Long reaches that I may agree. I also think Fletcher's has more to his game too.

So why did Everton decide to move him on? Past his best maybe. Not denying that yakubu has been a good player and had a good career but can you honestly hand on heart say replacing SL with yakubu would be moving our squad forward?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Albion07 on May 04, 2012, 12:24:58 AM
So why did Everton decide to move him on? Past his best maybe. Not denying that yakubu has been a good player and had a good career but can you honestly hand on heart say replacing SL with yakubu would be moving our squad forward?
Add to that the fact Yakubus 29 ( In Nigerian years anyway haha) Honestly though I think some are being way to harsh on Long, He was out for a while with the chipped knee and suffered for a good length of the season with a heart condition! Clearly not ideal in an up and down season whatever way you look at it. I Like Shane , he has a knack of winning aerial balls despite not being tall and I honestly think given a run in and team and maybe paired with Fortune he'll be worth every penny.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mister AT on May 04, 2012, 08:30:41 AM
I wouldnt even contemplate gettin rid of him.

Needs a good pre season under his belt and gain his fitness and sharpness back.

Bearing in mind he hasnt really had a proper run in the team since he was injured against Villa.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on May 04, 2012, 12:10:51 PM
If we could recoup our outlay on him, I'd let him go and take a punt on someone else...

Fletcher from then Dingles, anyone?


I totally disagree with that sentiment. I am glad that you aren't in charge of our transfer policy as letting Shane Long go for 6m would be absolutely criminal. He's had an injury hit maiden season in the PL but has still managed to produce several performances of undoubted PL quality. His performance at Liverpool against two top class halves was absolutely superb.

The problem we have IMO, is that Odemwingie and Long just don't appear capable of playing together. There is absolutely no chemistry between the partnership and I would go as far as to speculate that they don't get on off the pitch given their body language toward each other. How we get the best out of Odemingie and Long when they share the same pitch will be one of the biggest questions asked of any new manager IMO.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 04, 2012, 12:47:25 PM
The problem we have IMO, is that Odemwingie and Long just don't appear capable of playing together. There is absolutely no chemistry between the partnership and I would go as far as to speculate that they don't get on off the pitch given their body language toward each other. How we get the best out of Odemingie and Long when they share the same pitch will be one of the biggest questions asked of any new manager IMO.

I doubt that is a problem we'll have after this summer. I would put money on Odemwingie going to somewhere like Anzi for one final pay day.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 04, 2012, 01:07:23 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 04, 2012, 01:13:53 PM
Anyone who was at Anfield will testify to how good this lad can go on to be. If you started a new job tomorrow would you expect to be at your best from day one or in month one....or month three? No it takes time to acquire the experience that enables us to excel in the job. Why would we want to get rid of him. Results arnt instant they take time. Its taken us five years or so to build this squad why would SL be any different to any other player coming from a lower level. The current England manager described his performance at Liverpool as that of one and a half players. Hardly a coach writing his player off as not good enough is it

I was at Anfield, he ran around a lot, and put himself about to very little effect. We badly missed Fortune and were lucky our chance fell to Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 04, 2012, 01:17:25 PM
He ran around a lot, got the ***** kicked out of him by Skrtel  and was heavily praised by Hodgson for his excellent performance.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: smethwickw on May 04, 2012, 01:41:27 PM
He is the kind of striker that needs chances to score goals. He never looks like he could create his own like Odemwingie can for instance. In tight games you need players who can come up with something a bit out of the ordinary. I'm yet to see any real 'quality'. Yes he runs around a lot and wins his fair share in the air although he very rarely looks like scoring with his head. If we were offered good money then I'd take it. There are better players out there that cost less. I have no doubt for one minute we'd be looking to sell though. For me we need to offload Cox and bring in more of a target man to give us different options.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Floydy on May 04, 2012, 01:48:18 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on May 04, 2012, 02:08:51 PM
A technicality but it was only Long's last year at Reading he really took off with 25 goals - before that he was getting established and didn't get double figures any season.
I think there's more in the tank that we haven't seen yet due to disrupted season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on May 04, 2012, 02:37:36 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 04, 2012, 02:40:49 PM
He is the kind of striker that needs chances to score goals. He never looks like he could create his own like Odemwingie can for instance.

His goal against Chelsea wasn't quite a tap-in from the six yard box.
Also, created a magnificent chance for himself away to Newcastle at start of second half, but unfortunately it was his finishing touch rather than his creativity let him down.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 06, 2012, 10:07:57 PM
I was at Anfield, he ran around a lot, and put himself about to very little effect. We badly missed Fortune and were lucky our chance fell to Odemwingie.

Harassed the Bolton back four all afternoon. Ran his socks off. Held the ball up and brought others in to the game throughout. Layed the ball off brillliantly to Brunt for the first goal. Runs around a lot to little effect?.......Hmm not sure about that?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rajesh-wba on May 06, 2012, 10:10:43 PM
Did well with his chance today. Was unlucky not to score. I think he's a decent player, who has the potential to improve.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 06, 2012, 10:14:23 PM
I was at Anfield, he ran around a lot, and put himself about to very little effect. We badly missed Fortune and were lucky our chance fell to Odemwingie.

i agree with this too an extent. although long made himself a great goal at chelsea he isnt going to score a worldy like odemwingie. the lad runs his socks off for 90 minutes has a good game, odemwingie does nothing for large spells of the game and probably could be subbed but is able to score winning goals.

in reference to his hold up play and bringing people into the game hes not as good as fortune. you cant have two strikers on neither of which have got goals in them....
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on May 06, 2012, 10:15:11 PM
Harassed the Bolton back four all afternoon. Ran his socks off. Held the ball up and brought others in to the game throughout. Layed the ball off brillliantly to Brunt for the first goal. Runs around a lot to little effect?.......Hmm not sure about that?

Paul Merson identified him as the top performer in today's game. Bolton's defence isn't the greatest but still credit to him; he played well and he was unlucky with his shot that hit the post early on. He ran Bolton's defence to pieces at the Hawthorns earlier in the season - he doesn't like the Trotters.  ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 07, 2012, 05:27:01 PM
he put himself about and does what he usually does, hes an expensive version of cox
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommcneill on May 07, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
Id rather have Long than the 6m....

Some ridiculous statements on here regarding the lad..but I suppose opinion and all that
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggies on May 07, 2012, 06:15:25 PM
If he can stay fit next season, it will be easier to judge.His mvoement seems great but I think he is one of those players who suffers with confidence. Once he gets in the goals, he will score a few. His history at Reading though suggests he goes through some dry periods.

He didnbt cost 6 million either according to the reports, more like 3 with add ons.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Rich99 on May 07, 2012, 06:21:41 PM
Next season will will be able to fairly judge I feel. 

However, going on what I've seen so far, in my opinion if we did lose Odemwingie in the summer, I'd be a little concerned if we had to rely on Long as our main front man and goalscoring threat in the Premiership.

As said though, it's early days.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 07, 2012, 06:39:58 PM
he put himself about and does what he usually does, hes an expensive version of cox

He's a completely different style of player to Simon Cox altogether??
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 07, 2012, 06:57:22 PM
we bought cox as a finisher. we bought long as a finisher...
both put a shift in neither technically as good as odemwingie nor as good at hold up play as maf
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 07, 2012, 07:06:32 PM
we bought cox as a finisher. we bought long as a finisher...
both put a shift in neither technically as good as odemwingie nor as good at hold up play as maf

I think that is where we just differ slightly. In my eyes we didnt buy either Cox or Long as a pure finisher since neither were proven at all at the level they were stepping to. We simply bought them as young players with potential. PO i think was a different matter altogether. We bought him as a proven goalscorer at the highest level. We just got lucky that he seemed to have been overlooked for whatever reason by other clubs? but he turned out to be arguably the bargain buy of last years PL
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 07, 2012, 08:28:24 PM
Three goals short of PO in his first injury hit season at the club. He'll do for me.

Congratulations on making it in the Irish squad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 07, 2012, 08:30:01 PM
Glad to see him in the Ireland squad. Would have liked to have seen him score another goal or two.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarich on May 08, 2012, 02:24:40 PM
Why is it a disgrace? People have different opinions to yours. If you cannot face that not everybody will have the same view as you then forums aren't a place you will particulary like. Shane Long for some of his good performances, hasn't hit the heights he could possibly have reached this season. There's been many games where he's been poor, ineffective and the team as looked poor as a result of it.

You have your opinion and others have theres, so will you put your opinion forward without the need to call everybody elses a "disgrace".

I will put my opinion forward however I like not how someone like you tells me to. He has had a very good season. Its been very difficult for him to hit these 'heights' you say as its been a bit stop start for him ever since the Villa game and hes struggled with little injuries and hasn't been fully fit for most the season. If he can start the new season fully fit and can keep fit throughout we will see a class striker and he will prove people like you wrong
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarich on May 08, 2012, 02:49:39 PM
He ran around a lot, got the ***** kicked out of him by Skrtel  and was heavily praised by Hodgson for his excellent performance.

Are you actually having a laugh? He was brilliant against Liverpool and he gave Skrtel the run around. Neither of their CB's could cope with him :S some people on here amaze me.

Rubyruby thank god somebody agrees with me about how good Long is and will be next season! Goes to show not all Albion fans are idiots
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2012, 05:04:23 PM
Are you actually having a laugh? He was brilliant against Liverpool and he gave Skrtel the run around. Neither of their CB's could cope with him :S some people on here amaze me.

Rubyruby thank god somebody agrees with me about how good Long is and will be next season! Goes to show not all Albion fans are idiots

I'm pretty sure Oldbury's was a positive comment in response to my negative one...

I maintain Long is currently no better than Championship quality. No cutting edge for all his endeavour.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 08, 2012, 05:14:01 PM
I will put my opinion forward however I like not how someone like you tells me to. He has had a very good season. Its been very difficult for him to hit these 'heights' you say as its been a bit stop start for him ever since the Villa game and hes struggled with little injuries and hasn't been fully fit for most the season. If he can start the new season fully fit and can keep fit throughout we will see a class striker and he will prove people like you wrong

You can, along as you don't label other opinions as a disgrace because they don't match yours. If you persist to call others a disgrace then you will eventually have posts removed.

Also, 'People like me'? I judge Shane on what I've seen this season. I actually think he can be a very good Premier League striker, if he improves on certain aspects of his game and manages to have an injury free season then as you say, we will have a very good player on our hands. I've supported him all season and tend to support him throughout this thread, I certainly haven't criticised him, so in my opinion the 'people like me' comment is uncalled for.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 08, 2012, 05:41:38 PM
Are you actually having a laugh? He was brilliant against Liverpool and he gave Skrtel the run around. Neither of their CB's could cope with him :S some people on here amaze me.

Rubyruby thank god somebody agrees with me about how good Long is and will be next season! Goes to show not all Albion fans are idiots

As well as putting your opinion across the way the rules of this site require, I suggest you read threads before jumping down on people and as thejacko said the post was a positive one in reply to him.

I very rarely agree with thejacko on anything but at least theres no petty digs from either of us in reply.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on May 08, 2012, 06:54:13 PM
I'm pretty sure Oldbury's was a positive comment in response to my negative one...

I maintain Long is currently no better than Championship quality. No cutting edge for all his endeavour.

I agree at PL level he hasnt "found" his cutting edge yet Jacko but you must remember at Championship level he scored 25 goals. That suggests he might be capable of stepping up a level and producing. The baggies are renowned for their dilligence in scouting players so paying good money for Long will not have been made on a whim by the club. I would urge you to be patient with him, mainly because all players stepping up deserve a bit of time to adjust but more importantly he is much more likely to succeed if we all give him our total support. I would defy anyone to convince me he hasnt got some fantastic attributes albeit that he may still be a little raw around the edges
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 08, 2012, 07:02:49 PM
For me the jury is out on Shame Long.
Started on fire then the injury he picked up against Villa certainly seems to have set him back and ever since he has struggled; whether through lack of fitness or our style of play. He does seem to be a bit injury prone though.....bad back, heart problems, knee injury etc.

I really hope we can see an injury free Shane Long next season as I think he will be an exciting player for us. After all 7 goals in an injury ridden season isn't too bad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on May 08, 2012, 09:33:35 PM
I don't think our midfield has been that productive in playing through balls into the channels which would suit Long. Long made one or two runs at Bolton but the attempted pass wasn't quite up to it. He also made his own chance at Chelsea by making a nuisance of himself. As has been said on here, Pete is better at making something out of nothing.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on May 08, 2012, 09:56:50 PM
Long is good against tough uncompromising centre backs (the type that have bullied us in the past) as he gives as good as he gets and is a handful. By the way I am sure he would have a had a slight smile when he heard Hutton got taken out on Sunday and had to limp off - poetic justice I guess although Rose was sent off and Hutton wasn't!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on May 08, 2012, 09:59:00 PM
Yes I bet there were smiles in several dressing rooms around the country when news of Rose's takle came through.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarich on May 09, 2012, 02:13:38 PM
As well as putting your opinion across the way the rules of this site require, I suggest you read threads before jumping down on people and as thejacko said the post was a positive one in reply to him.

I very rarely agree with thejacko on anything but at least theres no petty digs from either of us in reply.

I have better things to do with my time than read 13 pages about how the jury is still out on Long and how he isn't good enough and that if we could have our 6 mill back for him then we should! If you had quoted the post you were being sarcastic about then it would stop this from happening. I read your comment as I saw it
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 09, 2012, 02:28:51 PM
I have better things to do with my time than read 13 pages about how the jury is still out on Long and how he isn't good enough and that if we could have our 6 mill back for him then we should! If you had quoted the post you were being sarcastic about then it would stop this from happening. I read your comment as I saw it

Well if you don't have the time to read through pages on a topic then maybe you should think about what you reply to then and how you do.

As for being sarcastic I don't do that in posts as why would I do that when we try to stop others doing it ?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on July 26, 2012, 11:20:37 AM
My Dad and I recently watched the season review and i've got to say, i forgot just how good Shane Long had started the season. He was probably on course for 13/14 goals had it not been for that thug Hutton. That tackle was a disgrace and to not even get a free kick was ridiculous. Anyway to my point. His pace and acceleration is phenomenal and really forces defenders onto the back foot and he forced quite a few errors. He came back after the injury from Hutton and looked decent for a bit longer then the injury seemed to reoccur.

For this season, i hope we see more minutes for him on the pitch maybe with Pete out on the right. I really rated him before he joined us and if he can get minutes on the pitch and stay injury free i think we could see him scoring more and causing problems which open up chances for other players.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 26, 2012, 11:43:12 AM
Won us a penalty and put it away with great aplomb last night. He'll be a big player for us this season if he stays fit. Also PO looked up for it last night too.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 26, 2012, 11:49:25 AM
I watched the highlights and it was his pace that won him the penalty, will be a big player for us next season, with him. Dorrans and Gera fit that will be as good as 3 new signings on top of what we already have.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on July 26, 2012, 12:00:27 PM
We are very lucky to have two players like Long and Odemwingie from a footballing point of view, if both are happy to alternate during a season in partnership with Fortune or someone of similar ilk it would make sure we always have a fit regular goalscorer upfront.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 26, 2012, 12:04:42 PM
We are very lucky to have two players like Long and Odemwingie from a footballing point of view, if both are happy to alternate during a season in partnership with Fortune or someone of similar ilk it would make sure we always have a fit regular goalscorer upfront.
Sorry but Fortune is a waste of a shirt, to me he offers nothing, he cant shoot, head or stay onside and his scoring record is abysmal, he runs around and looks busy admittedly but he would not get a shirt in my first 11, we need 2 strikers that will run at defenses and worry them that aint him!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dudleylad on July 26, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
Fortune doesnt score enough I agree with that however he was one of the better performers during his return to the side last January/Febuary.

I would say most succesful forward partnerships will always have one as a workhorse and the other with the pace and ability to score at will.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 26, 2012, 12:25:10 PM
Sorry but Fortune is a waste of a shirt, to me he offers nothing, he cant shoot, head or stay onside and his scoring record is abysmal, he runs around and looks busy admittedly but he would not get a shirt in my first 11, we need 2 strikers that will run at defenses and worry them that aint him!

Words escape me. Fortune was great in the second half of the season, holding the ball up well, the odd goal, making chances, keeping us on the attack. Certainly not a 'waste of a shirt'.

No team has two strikers who primarily run at defences; Rooney plays a holding striker role, Ba and Cisse mix it up and whichever is running, the other supports for example. Finding the mix between the two is important and Fortune worked hard and complimented others well. Why do you need two busy runners when you can have one hold the ball up and bring the midfield back into it and attack in numbers. Long and Odemwingie run at defences but they weren't successful together on the pitch.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 26, 2012, 12:30:40 PM
If any of our players had been worrying defences then it was in my opinion, Fortune, due to sheer power and ability to hold onto the ball. There were many matches towards the end of last season where Fortune didn't score, but certainly deserved the man of the match accolade. Wolves, Stoke and Chelsea being the first three which spring to mind. In-fact, that Wolves game he bullied the whole back four.

Also, he was effective in that front three. The ability he has to hold onto the ball allowed us a platform for the likes of James Morrison, Peter Odemwingie, and Jerome Thomas to run at defenders. Our performances certainly improved after February and that came with Fortune in the team. Would we have had the same success without Fortune? We'll never know, but in my opinion, he sure helped.

Without taking it too far on a tangent. I think the way of determining how good Fortune was is by looking at the fans reaction. At the start of last season we were all questioning why he was in the squad, apparently he took some abuse at Bournemouth. And that Stoke game where he started, there were massive question marks over him and Hodgson's decision. However, from there on in, he appeared to become a fans favourite with his name being chanted regularly from the stands due to his consistant and much improved performances.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 26, 2012, 04:07:45 PM
Sorry but Fortune is a waste of a shirt, to me he offers nothing, he cant shoot, head or stay onside and his scoring record is abysmal, he runs around and looks busy admittedly but he would not get a shirt in my first 11, we need 2 strikers that will run at defenses and worry them that aint him!

Nonsense. Fortune proved the doubters wrong when he came into the team last season. Infact, we struggled without his link up play, his ability to hold the ball up and the way he moved opposition defenses out of position bringing our midfielders into attacking positions. If you can't see how much he contributed, then you cannot really have much of a clue.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 26, 2012, 04:13:12 PM
Fortune was immense on his return from Doncaster.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on July 26, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
Fortune is my current favourite player without doubt
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: stever60 on July 26, 2012, 04:24:24 PM
Nonsense. Fortune proved the doubters wrong when he came into the team last season. Infact, we struggled without his link up play, his ability to hold the ball up and the way he moved opposition defenses out of position bringing our midfielders into attacking positions. If you can't see how much he contributed, then you cannot really have much of a clue.
I agree I think he did a great job on his return. I think his worth will be diminished this year with the return of Gera, who is great with his link up play and he DOES score goals........dont think Fortune will be first choice but a good squad player
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: gerry m on July 26, 2012, 04:25:51 PM
Fortune was very good for us last season! so he didnt score a hatful of goals, obviously some people dont watch the games to realise his allround play was very good.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 26, 2012, 04:36:46 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: albiontilidie on July 26, 2012, 04:44:42 PM
Sorry but Fortune is a waste of a shirt, to me he offers nothing, he cant shoot, head or stay onside and his scoring record is abysmal, he runs around and looks busy admittedly but he would not get a shirt in my first 11, we need 2 strikers that will run at defenses and worry them that aint him!

Totally agree, you are getting way to much stick for this, for a player who cant score, outsprint a player not amazing in the air, poor first touch, He has even started to tackle his own players ( vs Malmo) He is awful and no where near good enough for us
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on July 26, 2012, 04:50:09 PM
Totally agree, you are getting way to much stick for this, for a player who cant score, outsprint a player not amazing in the air, poor first touch, He has even started to tackle his own players ( vs Malmo) He is awful and no where near good enough for us

Sounds more of a description of Simon Cox to me.

Fortune is strong, intelligent and has a bit of pace. He has scored and assisted at least 10+ goals for us in the premiership. His performance against Sunderland at the Hawthorns was one of the best I saw all last season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 26, 2012, 04:52:30 PM
Totally agree, you are getting way to much stick for this, for a player who cant score, outsprint a player not amazing in the air, poor first touch, He has even started to tackle his own players ( vs Malmo) He is awful and no where near good enough for us

All well and good but you have completely ignored his contribution to the functioning of the team and football is a team game? Off course there are better footballers out there. There is always a better player out there but MAF is ours he has a contract. Cant score?....not prolific  but he does score. Outsprint a player.....come on! how many times has MAF been first to a ball down the channel and held it up? Poor first touch?....might not make Spains first 11 but it isnt that bad?.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on July 26, 2012, 07:46:05 PM
I expect Long to kick on a bit more this season,he got some good goals in a season full of injury and illness so with a clean bill of health he should hopefully go to another level for us.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on July 26, 2012, 08:00:55 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 26, 2012, 11:47:50 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 27, 2012, 09:14:26 AM
You can say I am talking nonsense as much as you like and even the usual lines of I obviously dont watch the matches haha but I am talking fact, MAF played in 17 premiership games last season as a STRIKER not a link up player and he scored 2 goals and made 1 assist, he ran around a lot and looked busy but he could never stay onside. I am not saying he played poorly for us because he didnt but as a STRIKER he is a waste of a shirt, if you are happy with that output from him then how can half of you be knocking an unfit Shane Long who still managed to score 8 in his 1st season at that level??
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 27, 2012, 09:20:28 AM
aint it funny how we all see a player in a different light, Fortune to start every game over Long for me everytime
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 27, 2012, 09:28:05 AM
aint it funny how we all see a player in a different light, Fortune to start every game over Long for me everytime
How can you justify giving a strikers shirt to MAF, because he passes well backwards to our midfielders?? He does not score, he cannot get any power into a shot, he cannot stay onside these are facts which are backed up by stats, 17 games, 2 goals, 1 assist last season or if you want to go further 11 goals in 75 games for us, sorry but if we want to progress then he doesn't make my first 11. Like you say it is funny how we see players differently because what has Long done wrong for us really??
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: stever60 on July 27, 2012, 10:22:44 AM
aint it funny how we all see a player in a different light, Fortune to start every game over Long for me everytime
No way.....having said that would always start PO ahead of Long as a preference
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 27, 2012, 10:34:24 AM
what has Long done wrong for us really??

He picked up an injury after being assaulted by Alan Hutton and never got fully fit after it picking up niggle after niggle. Apart from that he did pretty well with us initially and was looking like he would develop into a very good player for the club, he still has that chance if he can stay fit and start the season well as he caused defenders some real problems with his movement early on last season and scored some decent goals.

Most of it comes down to a choice between him and Odemwingie as people don't seem to believe they can be effective playing together and lets face it an on form Odemwingie is better than Long despite me believing Long could develop into a player capable of being better than Odemwingie when he gets to his age. I believe they could also play in the same side and be effective but in the right formation, a straight up 442 doesn't really work for us.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 27, 2012, 10:36:05 AM
Fortune is like our version of Heskey, some games he looks like a top player some he looks bloody terrible. Long I feel will improve this season 8 goals last season was a good start for him and probaly would of got more if it weren't for thugtton. Would be stupid to sell him to a rival.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on July 27, 2012, 11:20:49 AM
Had some weird dreams last night including topless girls in the sea on mens shoulders then somehow it got to us selling Shane.... I was upset we sold him the dream, woke up found out obviously not true. I like him as a footballer and seems to be a nice chap.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 27, 2012, 11:22:42 AM
aint it funny how we all see a player in a different light, Fortune to start every game over Long for me everytime

i agree. both work there balls off in different ways, difference for me is the ball sticks with fortune and we retain possession, long cant hold the ball up and there is no use flicking it on to no one.

with the amount of decent midfielders we have on our books we should be playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 4-3-3 however you want to look at it. Long isnt a match winner and nor is fortune, thats why odemwingie despite being far lazier then both is our number one striker!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on July 27, 2012, 11:24:33 AM
Fortune is like our version of Heskey, some games he looks like a top player some he looks bloody terrible. Long I feel will improve this season 8 goals last season was a good start for him and probaly would of got more if it weren't for thugtton. Would be stupid to sell him to a rival.

Can you please name me the games he was terrible in last season once he got back into the side?
Fortune is totally different to Hesky as he doesnt spend half the time on his backside looking injured.
Anyone who says he doesnt have a shot on him take a look at his goal against St . Johnstone on
Youtube. Could someone post the link?
The Guy is top class at holding the ball up which is an art in itself, just ask Shane Long.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on July 27, 2012, 11:33:49 AM
Different games and situations suit different types of players and it can depend on their mood/fitness on the day. We have PO, Shane and MAF all offering different abilities. Rotate them as and when necessary depending on situations, simples.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 27, 2012, 11:35:25 AM
Different games and situations suit different types of players and it can depend on their mood/fitness on the day. We have PO, Shane and MAF all offering different abilities. Rotate them as and when necessary depending on situations, simples.

discussion closed with a logical answer
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wba1993dave on July 27, 2012, 11:42:49 AM
Can you please name me the games he was terrible in last season once he got back into the side?
Fortune is totally different to Hesky as he doesnt spend half the time on his backside looking injured.
Anyone who says he doesnt have a shot on him take a look at his goal against St . Johnstone on
Youtube. Could someone post the link?
The Guy is top class at holding the ball up which is an art in itself, just ask Shane Long.

Last 6 months I agree he was playing really good, but cast your mind back to August 2011 he was not even on the bench at times. Heskey in the past holded the ball up brilliantly , but hardly never scored  but he created chances. Fortune' is very similar holds up the ball brilliantly but if he is one on one with a goalkeeper i would feel confident in Long scoring than Fortune. Fortune is a player who will probaly be used for away games than home games. Clarke has said he wants us to be more attacking at home.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 27, 2012, 03:03:44 PM
Had some weird dreams last night including topless girls in the sea on mens shoulders then somehow it got to us selling Shane.... I was upset we sold him the dream, woke up found out obviously not true. I like him as a footballer and seems to be a nice chap.

You need to see a Doctor my friend..................... :)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 27, 2012, 03:41:11 PM
i agree. both work there balls off in different ways, difference for me is the ball sticks with fortune and we retain possession, long cant hold the ball up and there is no use flicking it on to no one.

with the amount of decent midfielders we have on our books we should be playing 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 4-3-3 however you want to look at it. Long isnt a match winner and nor is fortune, thats why odemwingie despite being far lazier then both is our number one striker!
Isn't that how Pete got most of his goals in his first season, hell isn't hat how long got some of his? Both Pete and long like to get behind the opposing defence. They are goal scorers and admittedly Pete is better right now. Fortune is more of a supporting striker, His whole job is to hold the ball and create spaces for others to exploit. That is why i think he doesn't score often is because he isn't really meant to, I think that is why Long and Pete wouldn't work either last as they are too similar in how they play to both be strikers at the same time, they just get cut off from the rest of the team

Long and Pete work in a 4-5-1 where men are spread and a through ball can make the difference. Marco (and from what I've read if we get him Rosenberg) are more suited to a 4-4-2 to aid the other striker or 4-3-3 where they hold the ball and open space for the two forward wingers to move in. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 27, 2012, 03:48:55 PM
Isn't that how Pete got most of his goals in his first season, hell isn't hat how long got some of his? Both Pete and long like to get behind the opposing defence. They are goal scorers and admittedly Pete is better right now. Fortune is more of a supporting striker, His whole job is to hold the ball and create spaces for others to exploit. That is why i think he doesn't score often is because he isn't really meant to, I think that is why Long and Pete wouldn't work either last as they are too similar in how they play to both be strikers at the same time, they just get cut off from the rest of the team

Long and Pete work in a 4-5-1 where men are spread and a through ball can make the difference. Marco (and from what I've read if we get him Rosenberg) are more suited to a 4-4-2 to aid the other striker or 4-3-3 where they hold the ball and open space for the two forward wingers to move in.
He is a STRIKER of course he is meant to score, not knocking his work rate or effort at all, I just think as a striker he is awful and a waste of a shirt, saying he isnt meant to score is like saying a defender aint meant to defend or a keeper aint meant to make saves! The brutal fact is MAF aint good enough as a prem striker and thats why we need another forward to challenge Long and Odemwingie as a goal scoring threat
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 27, 2012, 03:56:31 PM
He is a STRIKER of course he is meant to score, not knocking his work rate or effort at all, I just think as a striker he is awful and a waste of a shirt, saying he isnt meant to score is like saying a defender aint meant to defend or a keeper aint meant to make saves! The brutal fact is MAF aint good enough as a prem striker and thats why we need another forward to challenge Long and Odemwingie as a goal scoring threat
so what would you prefer, ten shots surrounded by defenders where nine get blocked or saved or go over, or one pass to Pete or any other goal scorer who is virtually unmarked for an easier shot while the goalie is on the other side of his goal and probably unsighted by his defenders?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 27, 2012, 04:00:42 PM
so what would you prefer, ten shots surrounded by defenders where nine get blocked or saved or go over, or one pass to Pete or any other goal scorer who is virtually unmarked for an easier shot while the goalie is on the other side of his goal and probably unsighted by his defenders?
That would be great if that was reality, 1 assist all season does not really back that argument up though does it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 27, 2012, 04:01:28 PM
Isn't that how Pete got most of his goals in his first season, hell isn't hat how long got some of his? Both Pete and long like to get behind the opposing defence. They are goal scorers and admittedly Pete is better right now. Fortune is more of a supporting striker, His whole job is to hold the ball and create spaces for others to exploit. That is why i think he doesn't score often is because he isn't really meant to, I think that is why Long and Pete wouldn't work either last as they are too similar in how they play to both be strikers at the same time, they just get cut off from the rest of the team

Long and Pete work in a 4-5-1 where men are spread and a through ball can make the difference. Marco (and from what I've read if we get him Rosenberg) are more suited to a 4-4-2 to aid the other striker or 4-3-3 where they hold the ball and open space for the two forward wingers to move in.

odemwingie has a shot on him, winning goal at blackburn opening goal against dingles, and he can beat a man not to mention creates space and got numerous assists thus has loads more to his game then shane long who as iv said before is a poormans darren bent.

id totally disagree with you Long could not play upfront alone he cant hold the ball up and doesnt have a trick to get out of isolation, he played better when he was with tchoyi
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kc56wba on July 27, 2012, 04:06:03 PM
odemwingie has a shot on him, winning goal at blackburn opening goal against dingles, and he can beat a man not to mention creates space and got numerous assists thus has loads more to his game then shane long who as iv said before is a poormans darren bent.

id totally disagree with you Long could not play upfront alone he cant hold the ball up and doesnt have a trick to get out of isolation, he played better when he was with tchoyi
How could anyone have understood how Tchoyi played so in that case Long played up front on his own.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 27, 2012, 04:08:27 PM
ridiculous statement however inconsistant and unpredictible he was he was a decent player who needed to play with freedom not in a rigid system. The blokes got a hell of a lot of goals for us considering the limited time he played!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 27, 2012, 04:11:52 PM
odemwingie has a shot on him, winning goal at blackburn opening goal against dingles, and he can beat a man not to mention creates space and got numerous assists thus has loads more to his game then shane long who as iv said before is a poormans darren bent.

id totally disagree with you Long could not play upfront alone he cant hold the ball up and doesnt have a trick to get out of isolation, he played better when he was with tchoyi
Like i said Pete is better, i don't deny that, but Long can beat a player, remember first goal against Chelsea, Fending of Alex (He's Half Alex's size!). There's also other times he's beaten player but it didn't lead anywhere. Of my head there's the 3rd Newcastle goal to get the cross in and Villa with Scharner's missed attempt.  In fact Long did it two or tree times at Newcastle
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 27, 2012, 04:19:13 PM
one trick pony has pace to burn i give the lad that, he can beat A man but cant beat a few men with trickery nutmegs etc.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kc56wba on July 27, 2012, 04:25:45 PM
ridiculous statement however inconsistant and unpredictable he was he was a decent player who needed to play with freedom not in a rigid system. The blokes got a hell of a lot of goals for us considering the limited time he played!
Two words you used there descried Tchoyi to a tee, inconsistent and unpredictable.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 27, 2012, 04:30:44 PM
but you cant question the goals he scored and the nuisance he caused! ultimately if he had consistency he would have gone to a Chelsea rather than wba! anyway we are digressing off the subject of Shane long here. I just don't see him above Odemwingie or Fortune in the pecking order as hes never going to be a loan striker.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: phbaggies on July 27, 2012, 04:31:06 PM
Talking of Tchoyi, surprised he aint got himself a team lined up yet, be interesting to see how he gets on elsewhere
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: crisoWBA on July 27, 2012, 06:19:09 PM
Can i just clarify something here too folks, a 451, is a 433 as is a 4231 formation.

The only formations that differ is a 442 and formation with 3 at the back.

Sorry, just when i see people say So and So plays better in a 451 than a 433, it confuses me.
The whole reason the traditional 433 is better than a 442 in modern football is because it can be reworked in the middle of a game.

Example game against Copenhagen. (traditional 433)
1 Holding mid in YM.
2 pushed a little bit further forward in Morrison & Dorrans.
Then 2 wingers & 1 striker.

4231 is a 433 but you have two holding out of the 3 and 1 pushed a bit more forward behind the striker, ala Morrison or Dorrans last season. You then have the two wide men and a striker making the front 3.

451 is the exact same thing but people use it an abbreviation pretty much. 2 wide players, 1 striker. 3 Centre minds.

But yes, in my eyes we're always better in that setup & i do believe Long can play the lone striker as long as he gets the service.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 27, 2012, 07:02:57 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: saml30 on July 28, 2012, 01:13:17 PM
one trick pony has pace to burn i give the lad that, he can beat A man but cant beat a few men with trickery nutmegs etc.

there's only a handful of players in the world who do this on a regular basis, if he could do all that and with the pace he does he wouldn't be playing for us
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 28, 2012, 10:56:30 PM
there's only a handful of players in the world who do this on a regular basis, if he could do all that and with the pace he does he wouldn't be playing for us

I believe he was comparing Long to Odemwingie... Who can do that...
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 30, 2012, 09:49:29 AM
Most of the Chavs at Reading assume he will be their player by the start of the season
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 30, 2012, 01:41:42 PM
I wouldn't like to see us sell Long, certainly without signing another striker. We need at least 2 strikers with an idea of where the goal is.
 Long had a difficult season with injuries etc. Before Hutton got to him he looked a very capable and lively player, able to hold the ball up or use his pace to good effect (the way he played Berra and Johnson at the Hawthorns was a joy to watch)
 I think a fit Shane Long could comfortably get 10-15 goals in the PL. I'd like to see him play as the central striker in 4-3-3 with Odemwingie out right and Brunt/Gera out left.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on July 30, 2012, 05:06:54 PM

 Long still scored eight goals last season, which isnt bad considering he wasnt always fit
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: leeiswba on July 30, 2012, 05:09:32 PM
Long still scored eight goals last season, which isnt bad considering he wasnt always fit

Its very good considering how many games he missed and wasnt fully fit in. Some of his goals were also very very good e.g Chelsea & Arsenal.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Jack Russell on July 30, 2012, 05:11:09 PM
One Reading fan states he played for a s*** team is why his goal return wasnt as good has expected
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2012, 05:14:38 PM
Its very good considering how many games he missed and wasnt fully fit in. Some of his goals were also very very good e.g Chelsea & Arsenal.

It's a concern, imo, that we played Shane for so many games when he wasn't fully fit.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie Artist on July 30, 2012, 05:26:08 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2012, 05:30:49 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 30, 2012, 05:42:08 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2012, 05:44:44 PM
Think this is one of the main reasons SC is trying different variations of playing system in pre season. He is trying to work out how to get the best from our best players. I think Long is numero uno as the main striker. Its a question of how the rest fit around him.

It just beats me how anyone can rank Long as numero uno. A very limited player all in all. Long's limitations are a huge head ache for us.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 30, 2012, 05:50:11 PM
It just beats me how anyone can rank Long as numero uno. A very limited player all in all. Long's limitations are a huge head ache for us.

Oh stop it GR now your being silly...............Long is a PL quality player already. He has all the skills needed to be a big player in the PL..........sadly it will probably be with a bigger team than us if he realises his potential. In what way would you class him as limited?............. ???
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2012, 06:06:40 PM
Oh stop it GR now your being silly...............Long is a PL quality player already. He has all the skills needed to be a big player in the PL..........sadly it will probably be with a bigger team than us if he realises his potential. In what way would you class him as limited?............. ???

Shane can run all day and is quite fast and strong, and he is a good finisher. But I struggle to find more positives. Very limited technically, quite one paced for all his speed and few signs of imagination or general footballing sense. Which is why he is so hard to fit into our side. As Baggie Artist said, if we don't play to Shane's strengths (speed and strength up top and route one for the goal) we can't play him as he offers nothing else. Passing, movement, skill level, game reading, hold up play, interplay with team mates etc are all dodgy. Modification: And he covers these short comings up by diving, which results with us losing possession cheaply.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Gaffer on July 30, 2012, 07:11:06 PM
Shane can run all day and is quite fast and strong, and he is a good finisher. But I struggle to find more positives. Very limited technically, quite one paced for all his speed and few signs of imagination or general footballing sense. Which is why he is so hard to fit into our side. As Baggie Artist said, if we don't play to Shane's strengths (speed and strength up top and route one for the goal) we can't play him as he offers nothing else. Passing, movement, skill level, game reading, hold up play, interplay with team mates etc are all dodgy. Modification: And he covers these short comings up by diving, which results with us losing possession cheaply.


You've lost me here mate.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 30, 2012, 07:28:03 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: THROSTLE79 on July 30, 2012, 07:40:35 PM
Really think Shane will come good this year and some of you will be eating humble pie .
Would you say that ODW is an intelligent footballer or more intelligent footballer than Shane ?

Not for me , I like both players and believe that getting in behind the last defender / on the shoulder is BOTH of their games , save the intelligent football for yacob and dozza
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on July 30, 2012, 07:46:10 PM
Do I want Long to have a great season and score 10 plus goals: yes. Do I think he will: no.

I'm afraid I just don't rate Shane as highly as many people do. I posted about him at the beginning of last season and I stand by what I said then. I bloody well hope he can shove my opinion down my throat, though.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2012, 09:06:14 PM

You've lost me here mate.

Maybe a poor choice of words. I meant he keeps doing the same thing over and over weather it works or not. He plays one style of game and that's it.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 30, 2012, 09:10:31 PM
Shane can run all day and is quite fast and strong, and he is a good finisher. But I struggle to find more positives. Very limited technically, quite one paced for all his speed and few signs of imagination or general footballing sense. Which is why he is so hard to fit into our side. As Baggie Artist said, if we don't play to Shane's strengths (speed and strength up top and route one for the goal) we can't play him as he offers nothing else. Passing, movement, skill level, game reading, hold up play, interplay with team mates etc are all dodgy. Modification: And he covers these short comings up by diving, which results with us losing possession cheaply.

"Superb stamina and a good finisher"  a good start GR. But Im afraid I cant agree with your assessment on his all round ability. Three top quality coaches Mcdermott, Hodgson and Clarke have all openly stated their opinions on him. Indeed Clarke has said in the last 24hrs that he see's Shane as 100% integral to his plans. Long his not his signing so he has no obligation to say that. I actually think his movement and ability to bring others in as well as bagging goals are what make him a STANDOUT prospect. For sure he is not the finished article and he may or may not fulfill it but not many players come along with the ability to play with the intensity he has for a full 90 minutes. The ability to really harass defenders into mistakes. I realise he will never be as good but for me I see some similar traits in Shane to a certain Mr Rooney in the way that he competes. If anything what he lacked last season was some better service at times but my guess is thats what Clarke is looking to do. Having said all that he has serious competition for a starting spot from PO and MAF if thats what it comes down to. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2012, 10:42:50 PM
I don't see Shane 'bring others into play' much. That was the problem last season, exacerbated by Mr. Hodgson insisting on playing with four fullbacks most of the time.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on July 30, 2012, 10:45:31 PM
Really think Shane will come good this year and some of you will be eating humble pie .
Would you say that ODW is an intelligent footballer or more intelligent footballer than Shane ?

Not for me , I like both players and believe that getting in behind the last defender / on the shoulder is BOTH of their games , save the intelligent football for yacob and dozza

PO is far more aware of his team mates than Shane is. Look at the assists for example.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2012, 12:00:22 AM
"Superb stamina and a good finisher"  a good start GR. But Im afraid I cant agree with your assessment on his all round ability. Three top quality coaches Mcdermott, Hodgson and Clarke have all openly stated their opinions on him. 1. Indeed Clarke has said in the last 24hrs that he see's Shane as 100% integral to his plans. Long his not his signing so he has no obligation to say that. 2. I actually think his movement and ability to bring others in as well as bagging goals are what make him a STANDOUT prospect. 3. For sure he is not the finished article and he may or may not fulfill it but not many players come along with the ability to play with the intensity he has for a full 90 minutes. The ability to really harass defenders into mistakes. 4. I realise he will never be as good but for me I see some similar traits in Shane to a certain Mr Rooney in the way that he competes. If anything what he lacked last season was some better service at times but my guess is thats what Clarke is looking to do. 5. Having said all that he has serious competition for a starting spot from PO and MAF if thats what it comes down to.

1. His nouveau riche former club are sniffing around, we're hardly going to say he doesn't really fit in with what we're trying to do.

2. He's a harrier and a chaser, with his back to goal he is poor, the ball doesn't stick 80% of the time and he ends up flinging himself to the floor and waving his arms around a lot.

3. He's a good player because he has high fitness levels??  ???

4. Can't have that, Long is better than Adam Rooney... Because you can't honestly be attempting any kind of comparison to the other one...

5. Will definitely not be selected ahead of Odemwingie; Fortune would also be well within his rights to be dismayed if Long was ahead of him in the pecking order.

I honestly think he'll be a Reading player by the start of the season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommcneill on July 31, 2012, 12:32:07 AM
Personally I dont see what the fuss is about...anyone who knows anything about football can see Shane Long has quality, strength and pace and also puts in a shift.

I rate Long extremely highly, ill put a bet on him flourishing this year, id like to think he will anyway if the player I can see gets consistency then its another successful season for Albion and dare I say it....another place up the table as we continually climb and grow stronger year on year..

The stronger we seem to be getting as a team and club for me has seen the complete opposite from the fans, too many "fickle and jump on the players backs" fans about for me nowadays, ive lost interest in going (although ill be going away more this year) up to home games as everyones a bleeding expert nowadays...its boring seeing the crowd get quieter and the expectation levels of fans rising way above their stations...

When were on song, were amazing...but I think in general no one has the patience anymore and its want want want now now now....ive seen 1 missed place pass from a player possibly struggling with form and confidence turn a crowd into a bunch of moaning women....ive seen players arrive who instantly some fans just do no like for whatever reason. This aint the Albion I know or grew up supporting or it seems the same fans that attend..Long is a player many last year were moaning about after 2-3 months....

Football people know sometimes players work out and sometimes they dont, doesnt make them bad players..

Long is at a good age to still develop but the raw talent is there for all too see he is a dirty goalscoring 'barsteward'
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 31, 2012, 04:29:46 PM
Personally I dont see what the fuss is about...anyone who knows anything about football can see Shane Long has quality, strength and pace and also puts in a shift.

I rate Long extremely highly, ill put a bet on him flourishing this year, id like to think he will anyway if the player I can see gets consistency then its another successful season for Albion and dare I say it....another place up the table as we continually climb and grow stronger year on year..

The stronger we seem to be getting as a team and club for me has seen the complete opposite from the fans, too many "fickle and jump on the players backs" fans about for me nowadays, ive lost interest in going (although ill be going away more this year) up to home games as everyones a bleeding expert nowadays...its boring seeing the crowd get quieter and the expectation levels of fans rising way above their stations...

When were on song, were amazing...but I think in general no one has the patience anymore and its want want want now now now....ive seen 1 missed place pass from a player possibly struggling with form and confidence turn a crowd into a bunch of moaning women....ive seen players arrive who instantly some fans just do no like for whatever reason. This aint the Albion I know or grew up supporting or it seems the same fans that attend..Long is a player many last year were moaning about after 2-3 months....

Football people know sometimes players work out and sometimes they dont, doesnt make them bad players..

Long is at a good age to still develop but the raw talent is there for all too see he is a dirty goalscoring 'barsteward'

More than a touch of common sense there Tomm. Managing expectations seems to be one of the hardest tasks all clubs have these days.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 31, 2012, 04:48:12 PM
1. His nouveau riche former club are sniffing around, we're hardly going to say he doesn't really fit in with what we're trying to do.

2. He's a harrier and a chaser, with his back to goal he is poor, the ball doesn't stick 80% of the time and he ends up flinging himself to the floor and waving his arms around a lot.

3. He's a good player because he has high fitness levels??  ???

4. Can't have that, Long is better than Adam Rooney... Because you can't honestly be attempting any kind of comparison to the other one...

5. Will definitely not be selected ahead of Odemwingie; Fortune would also be well within his rights to be dismayed if Long was ahead of him in the pecking order.

I honestly think he'll be a Reading player by the start of the season.

With respect Jacko your all over the place with this response imo. Forget Reading Long isnt going anywhere!....cant really see how you think that would happen unless they made a ludicrous "Andy Carroll type offer". So talking him up is nonsense and anyhow his previous two coaches have extolled his virtues well before any so called interest. Roy described his performance at Liverpool that of a player and a half!....and Roys seen plenty of football players hasnt he? As for chasing defenders down and creating things from nothing.....well yes what a superb attribute hence my reserved comparisons with Rooney amongst other things.  His holding the ball and laying off was excellent prior to the Villa injury so you cant have been watching closely enough? but post his injuries  I agree he didnt quite return to the same level but Im sure he will this season if he stays healthy. A good player because of his fitness levels? of course....fitness is an integral part of the make up of any pro athlete. Other wise why bother with a pre season for example. Might just as well tell em to turn up on the 18th August if thats not the case. And as for the starting 11 Its hard to see all three making the same team and that doesnt even account for a new striker signing which could well happen so yes there is huge competition within our squad but as it stands Long imo could well be high up in SCs thinking..............we shall see soon enough
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on July 31, 2012, 09:53:33 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 31, 2012, 10:23:41 PM
We will have to agree to disagree Jacko. But I suspect Shane Long will treat you to a healthy ration of his mamma,s good old fashioned Irish humble pie come the seasons end.

Hope so, but I won't hold my breath (or should that be leave some room?), anyway... Let's just hope he doesn't score the winner PAST us at The Madejski  :-X
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 31, 2012, 10:38:56 PM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Webby on August 01, 2012, 01:25:37 PM
Shane Long minimum of 10 PL goals this season.... Guaranteed ;)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kc56wba on August 01, 2012, 03:26:37 PM
Shane Long minimum of 10 PL goals this season.... Guaranteed ;)
And guess what you would still have fans moan and want rid of.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on August 01, 2012, 05:14:31 PM

 i dont understand why some people dont like him.

 ok sometimes he runs around like a hedless chicken.      well thats better than being lazy

 he only scored eight goals last year.                                decent return, considering he wasnt fit for most of last season

Hes fantastic in the air.

never say die attitude.

gives 100 %

him and Odemwingie will work

what more do you want from him                                                                                                   
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 02, 2012, 10:04:51 AM
i dont understand why some people dont like him.

 ok sometimes he runs around like a hedless chicken.      well thats better than being lazy

 he only scored eight goals last year.                                decent return, considering he wasnt fit for most of last season

Hes fantastic in the air.

never say die attitude.

gives 100 %

him and Odemwingie will work

what more do you want from him                                                                                                   

its not a case of not liking the bloke, he wears his heart on his sleeve and puts a shift in, but hes just huff and puff, doesnt have the same abilty as either Fortune or odemwingie, both of which are better at brining in their team mates and holding the ball up, whilst odemwingie has a match winning strike in either feet that Long does not.

If we picked a side purely on huff and puff cox and long would both start, andy johnson would still be playing centre midfield
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: westbrom87 on August 02, 2012, 10:31:35 AM
8 goals in an injury hit season.  Not bad for a bit of huff and puff in the worlds best league.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2012, 01:53:55 PM
8 goals in an injury hit season.  Not bad for a bit of huff and puff in the worlds best league.

You've summed him up well there. Not bad.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on August 02, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
its not a case of not liking the bloke, he wears his heart on his sleeve and puts a shift in, but hes just huff and puff, doesnt have the same abilty as either Fortune or odemwingie, both of which are better at brining in their team mates and holding the ball up, whilst odemwingie has a match winning strike in either feet that Long does not.

If we picked a side purely on huff and puff cox and long would both start, andy johnson would still be playing centre midfield



I dont think he can play with Odemwingie which made him look poor in some games,
when he gets paired with the right player i.e. Tchoyi and Gera he looked class.
He certainly isnt just huff and puff!!  Simon Cox,Roman Bednar,Ishmael Miller, Lee Hughes, were the
huff and puff!!!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Chipperfan on August 02, 2012, 03:11:53 PM


I dont think he can play with Odemwingie which made him look poor in some games,
when he gets paired with the right player i.e. Tchoyi and Gera he looked class.
He certainly isnt just huff and puff!!  Simon Cox,Roman Bednar,Ishmael Miller, Lee Hughes, were the
huff and puff!!!!

While he did turn out to be a coward and a fool, I don't think it fair to categorise Hughes with the others mentioned. Before he went to Coventry he was a good, consistent striker for Albion, albeit in a lower league than now.

I don't know the stats but I would have thought that during that spell his strike rate was far in excess of the others.

Shame he went down the wrong path and we never saw the best of him in the top league.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: greggy8689 on August 02, 2012, 03:34:31 PM
8 goals in an injury hit season.  Not bad for a bit of huff and puff in the worlds best league.

It's a good return considering the lay offs he had. Players will always get labelled and put down by certain people but that's the nature of football. Having spoke to a Reading fan he did say that Long is suspected to suffer from a back issue which holds effects on other injuries he picks up, how true that is I don't know and our superb medical staff would have given him a thorough check over but something to be remembered possibly.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on August 02, 2012, 05:40:04 PM
its not a case of not liking the bloke, he wears his heart on his sleeve and puts a shift in, but hes just huff and puff, doesnt have the same abilty as either Fortune or odemwingie, both of which are better at brining in their team mates and holding the ball up, whilst odemwingie has a match winning strike in either feet that Long does not.

If we picked a side purely on huff and puff cox and long would both start, andy johnson would still be playing centre midfield

When was the last time Simon Cox latched on to a through ball outpaced and brushed off a defender the quality of Alex like he wasnt there before despatching the ball past arguably the best goalkeeper in the PL?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tommcneill on August 02, 2012, 06:23:57 PM
its not a case of not liking the bloke, he wears his heart on his sleeve and puts a shift in, but hes just huff and puff, doesnt have the same abilty as either Fortune or odemwingie, both of which are better at brining in their team mates and holding the ball up, whilst odemwingie has a match winning strike in either feet that Long does not.

If we picked a side purely on huff and puff cox and long would both start, andy johnson would still be playing centre midfield

I think Long is a matchwinner as much as the others...more so than Fortune anyway.

Fortune's play is all round better but he is also 6 years older and wiser. Long is a great finisher and thats what makes a matchwinner..

Odemwingie is our tasliman due to the fact that when he is at his utmost best he could play for a top four club and not look out of place kive no doubt about that but his consistency is the key to his reason why he plays for a mid table Prem team and not a top team....but he could if he had the required consistency.

Long is vital for me to the future development of this team and club, his pace alone is enough to already put doubt in the defenders mind and then there is his strength and his aerial ability...

I dont get why people would want him to go...but there we go everyones got an azzwhole....sorry I mean an opinion  :o :D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on August 02, 2012, 08:12:41 PM
Having spoke to a Reading fan he did say that Long is suspected to suffer from a back issue which holds effects on other injuries he picks up, how true that is I don't know

Fwiw, a doctor informally connected to the club said the same thing to me last season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: BrummieBaggie68 on August 02, 2012, 08:13:34 PM
Fwiw, a doctor informally connected to the club said the same thing to me last season.

(Sorry, by 'the club' I meant the Albion, not Reading).
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on August 02, 2012, 08:56:45 PM
I cant understand these negative views on Shane Long.
The kid scored 8 goals in his prem debut two of them coming against Man Utd and Chelsea,
ripped Wolves and Villa apart until Hutton commited G.B.H. on him which injured him for the rest of the season.
I only seen Shane cock it up once which was in an away game where he could of taken a shot instead of going
backwards when he was in on goal. (SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THE GAME AS IVE FORGOT) it was after his
injury near the end of season.
Maybe some fans have got the hump with him as he didnt buy them a beer at O`NEILS in Birmingham lol!!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: j2burnz on August 02, 2012, 09:34:29 PM
I cant understand these negative views on Shane Long.
The kid scored 8 goals in his prem debut two of them coming against Man Utd and Chelsea,
ripped Wolves and Villa apart until Hutton commited G.B.H. on him which injured him for the rest of the season.
I only seen Shane cock it up once which was in an away game where he could of taken a shot instead of going
backwards when he was in on goal. (SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME THE GAME AS IVE FORGOT) it was after his
injury near the end of season.
Maybe some fans have got the hump with him as he didnt buy them a beer at O`NEILS in Birmingham lol!!

Pretty sure that was Liverpool mate, it was very odd and he was clearly lacking in confidence, quality player for me though, cant understand how/why anyone would doubt that.

bongy
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 02, 2012, 09:46:11 PM
Quality player. 8 goals is excellent return after the top start season he had. He was out for a large part of last season.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: tgd26 on August 02, 2012, 09:57:04 PM
I really rate the guy. Can't quite understand all this negativity about him to be honest. I believe he has a good future ahead of him in the game and I really hope that is with us and we can all be a part of that.

Can't wait for the new season to start!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
Quality player. 8 goals is excellent return after the (s)top start season he had. He was out for a large part of last season.

While I'm dispelling myths: Shane Long played a part in all but 6 of our Premier League games last season. He made 24 starts, all at Centre Forward, and 8 substitute appearances. That's 32 appearances. Hardly an injury hit season. It's the same number of Premier League appearances Odemwingie made the season before (15 goals). The facts are he couldn't fully displace Fortune once he regained fitness.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 03, 2012, 11:21:12 AM
When was the last time Simon Cox latched on to a through ball outpaced and brushed off a defender the quality of Alex like he wasnt there before despatching the ball past arguably the best goalkeeper in the PL?

i shall flippantly return with when was the last time simon cox played upfront and was given this service. hes been used as a wideman.

Long started like a house on fire and his pace will cause people trouble but as will odemwingies. Long was well and truly worked out come the second half of the season and couldnt displace MAF. Not a bad bloke to have on the bench but hes never a starter
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 03, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
The Pete thing is interesting to me because even though he scored 10 goals, half of those in the entire season came in  two games. doesn't that point to Long (who had as many starts but less time on pitch) to be more consistent in front of goal throughout the season? I believe long also gives a threat in the air, however i know that Pete is the better all round player. Pete is 31 though so Long will overtake him at some point soon as he will continue to improve.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on August 03, 2012, 01:09:29 PM
i shall flippantly return with when was the last time simon cox played upfront and was given this service. hes been used as a wideman.

Long started like a house on fire and his pace will cause people trouble but as will odemwingies. Long was well and truly worked out come the second half of the season and couldnt displace MAF. Not a bad bloke to have on the bench but hes never a starter


Cox had a load of games to prove himself under Roy Hodgson playing just behind Odemwingie and
he failed miserably, just because he played behind the striker didnt mean he couldnt join in to make
it a 4-4-2. You must of seen something in Cox to think he`s a good
Prem player, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME WHAT? Maybe it was a few goals in the cup games, or his
1 and only prem goal against Spurs. Di Matteo,Hodgson,and now Clarke dont seem to rate him so
surely they cant all be wrong?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on August 03, 2012, 06:54:00 PM
The Pete thing is interesting to me because even though he scored 10 goals, half of those in the entire season came in  two games. doesn't that point to Long (who had as many starts but less time on pitch) to be more consistent in front of goal throughout the season? I believe long also gives a threat in the air, however i know that Pete is the better all round player. Pete is 31 though so Long will overtake him at some point soon as he will continue to improve.

I'm interested to know how many points were picked up in games when Odemwingie scored and how many were picked up when Long scored. If I get time over the weekend I'll do some research. I think the results may be very interesting.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on August 03, 2012, 07:04:41 PM
I'm interested to know how many points were picked up in games when Odemwingie scored and how many were picked up when Long scored. If I get time over the weekend I'll do some research. I think the results may be very interesting.

Top of my head:

Long scored in the first two games which we lost. Norwich pen. (lost). Arsenal (lost). Bolton (won) Sunderland(drew)

Pete:
Newcastle.(won) Wolves (won both) Sunderland(Won) Norwich (won)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on August 03, 2012, 07:17:33 PM
Top of my head:

Long scored in the first two games which we lost. Norwich pen. (lost). Arsenal (lost). Bolton (won) Sunderland(drew)

Pete:
Newcastle.(won) Wolves (won both) Sunderland(Won) Norwich (won)

Yeah, as I thought. Plus Pete scored at Blackburn away - won.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lordbaggie on August 03, 2012, 07:38:23 PM
I'm interested to know how many points were picked up in games when Odemwingie scored and how many were picked up when Long scored. If I get time over the weekend I'll do some research. I think the results may be very interesting.

They are indeed interesting

In ALL the games where PO scored we picked up 3 points - that's 7 games x 3 pts = 21pts

How instrumental were Pete's goals in achieving those wins?

Pretty instrumental.

In the games where he scored a single goal (5 games) we won 4 by the odd goal and the 5th 2-0.

That last one was against the Wolves. Sweet.

Pete also scored the 1st and third goals in a 4-0 win and the 1st, 3rd and 5th goals in a 5-1 trashing at the Custard Bowl.

I think it's fair to say that the 21 pts were mainly achieved on the back of Pete's goals and without them we might only have picked up 7 pts from those games.

How significant was that for our season?

Now let's look at  Long.

His eight goals were scored in matches where we picked up only 5 pts - one win, two draws and five defeats. Without his goals we would have only picked up one point from these games instead of 5

Of course it's not his fault we lost those games, but the overall stats do point to PO scoring a lot more "points winning" goals than Shane, by some distance
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on August 03, 2012, 09:38:27 PM
They are indeed interesting

In ALL the games where PO scored we picked up 3 points - that's 7 games x 3 pts = 21pts

How instrumental were Pete's goals in achieving those wins?

Pretty instrumental.

In the games where he scored a single goal (5 games) we won 4 by the odd goal and the 5th 2-0.

That last one was against the Wolves. Sweet.

Pete also scored the 1st and third goals in a 4-0 win and the 1st, 3rd and 5th goals in a 5-1 trashing at the Custard Bowl.

I think it's fair to say that the 21 pts were mainly achieved on the back of Pete's goals and without them we might only have picked up 7 pts from those games.

How significant was that for our season?

Now let's look at  Long.

His eight goals were scored in matches where we picked up only 5 pts - one win, two draws and five defeats. Without his goals we would have only picked up one point from these games instead of 5

Of course it's not his fault we lost those games, but the overall stats do point to PO scoring a lot more "points winning" goals than Shane, by some distance

All well and good but its unfair to make a straight comparison in this way......why? because Odemwingie is a far more experienced player. He is 31 compared to Long who is 6 years his junior! so you would expect him to be producing much more at this stage of his career. If you actually compare their respective goal scoring careers at senior level over the same period that Long has been a senior pro (first 8 years) then their respective records read Appx like this.

Long P 234 Goals 66 Avg 3.6

PO    P 286 Goals 79 Avg 3.6

So at the corresponding point of their respective careers you could say that potentially Long can go on to be as successful as Peter given the same length of career. 
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on August 03, 2012, 10:22:38 PM
All well and good but its unfair to make a straight comparison in this way......why? because Odemwingie is a far more experienced player. He is 31 compared to Long who is 6 years his junior! so you would expect him to be producing much more at this stage of his career. If you actually compare their respective goal scoring careers at senior level over the same period that Long has been a senior pro (first 8 years) then their respective records read Appx like this.

Long P 234 Goals 66 Avg per game 3.6

PO    P 286 Goals 79 Avg per game 3.6

So at the corresponding point of their respective careers you could say that potentially Long can go on to be as successful as Peter given the same length of career.

I decided to highlight this stat because of some of the posts I have seen recently staying Long should be starting ahead of Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 03, 2012, 10:37:18 PM
I wouldn't start Long ahead of Odemwingie but the potential is clearly there for him to become a decent Premier League striker if he can develop his game a little more. Experience is the main difference between the two in my opinion and I would like to think that in time they could play alongside each other effectively but it would be more likely in a three man attack in my opinion.

It will be an interesting season for both players as Long has to see this as his chance to impress if he can stay fit while Odemwingie will be looking to emulate his goal scoring exploits but maybe become a little more consistent.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on August 15, 2012, 07:50:27 PM
Just noticed cox has replaced long at the last minute for Ireland tonight. Must of got injured in the warm up?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: reiss on August 15, 2012, 09:07:55 PM

 good job we bought more strikers then
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: royhan on August 15, 2012, 10:03:17 PM
The BBC website reports that Long picked up a knock in training. It doesn't say whether he was training with Albion or Ireland at the time.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on August 15, 2012, 10:06:24 PM
It must of been from training with ireland he has been with them all week. He was named as a sub but wasnt used.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 15, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
Morrison is out too apparently. Pulled up in the game and was subbed off. B**cks!

It makes SC's selection headache easier if we lose a bunch of lads pointlessly I guess?

In other news, Lukaku has scored (a tap in, but they all count) for Belgium.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on August 15, 2012, 10:13:09 PM
Wasn't there some injury mentioned after the Forest game ?
Looking like Rosenberg and Lakaku could be straight in the way it's going.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 15, 2012, 10:14:12 PM
Wasn't there some injury mentioned after the Forest game ?
Looking like Rosenberg and Lakaku could be straight in the way it's going.
Ridgewell, but he's back in training now
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Adder on August 15, 2012, 10:23:24 PM
Sorry thought Long had some injury after Forest but maybe got that wrong
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 15, 2012, 10:35:39 PM
Brunt was subbed off in NI game. Anyone know if this was an injury or not?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: hardtobeat on August 15, 2012, 10:37:55 PM
was at h/t so assume was planned.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 15, 2012, 10:39:21 PM
was at h/t so assume was planned.

Cheers wasn't sure when it was and someone was speculating on twitter.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on August 15, 2012, 10:40:37 PM
According to sky long was in the team to play but had to be replaced
By cox at the lasy minute.must of done something in the warm up.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on August 15, 2012, 10:41:42 PM
These internationals a few days before the season are a joke
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 15, 2012, 10:42:43 PM
I hope Long isnt too bad, but we have some good replacements for him if he does miss the weekend.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbarenno on August 15, 2012, 10:50:27 PM
The Italian named a healthy Ireland side on the night, with a late change seeing Shane Long left out due to a minor leg injury with Simon Cox brought in to start alongside Jon Walters.

From an irish report so hopefully its nothing too bad. He was named on the bench aswell so if it was bad he wouldnt have been named on the bench
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 16, 2012, 05:07:47 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 16, 2012, 05:22:04 AM
Still waiting for the bad news there, Aixelsyd.  ;)

Ireland has, let's see...Cox, Long, Keane, Doyle and Walters? Plus Best in full-leg cast after having his ACL done. Keane can't go on forever. Walters can't be that much competition. Unless Trapattoni hates him enough to play inferior players, Shane will get games.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 16, 2012, 06:45:24 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2189395/Giovanni-Trapattoni-calls-Shane-Long-idiotic-fitness-issue.html?ITO=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Republic of Ireland manager Giovanni Trapattoni has labelled Shane Long's behaviour 'idiotic' after the forward claimed he was fully fit to play in the goalless draw with Serbia on Wednesday night.

West Brom attacker Long had been named in Trapattoni's starting line-up for the match, but Simon Cox was drafted in as a late replacement, with Long said to have suffered a calf injury in training.

As he left the game last night, Long told reporters he was fit to be involved, comments that drew the ire of his manager once the Italian was told.

Speaking at a press conference reported by radio broadcaster Newstalk, Trapattoni said Long had complained of a physical problem following a training match.

'After this, he said, "I have pain",' Trapattoni said.

'The doctor worried, they made a scan (in hospital).

'And now he says he is fit, that is idiotic. Is idiot. No, (he) is no baby.'
Ready to go? Long is expected to feature for West Brom at the weekend

Ready to go? Long is expected to feature for West Brom at the weekend

Trapattoni said Long had featured in his preferred line-up during the training match and that he had every intention of playing him if he was available.

The Italian added: 'For me, it is impossible to understand this. He could say, "I am ready", before the game.'

Long is now expected to feature for West Brom against Liverpool at Anfield on Saturday.


Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Quakes Fan on August 16, 2012, 06:47:57 PM
Hire a translator?
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Dexy on August 19, 2012, 11:42:36 AM
First game of the season i know but i thought Long was terrific yesterday,he did what he does well by chasing down every ball and never giving the Liverpool defenders a minute's rest.He can handle himself too and i was pleased Skrtel didn't boss him physically at all.Impressive yesterday but lets not dwell on that penalty too much!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: slugga1 on August 19, 2012, 11:47:01 AM
First game of the season i know but i thought Long was terrific yesterday,he did what he does well by chasing down every ball and never giving the Liverpool defenders a minute's rest.He can handle himself too and i was pleased Skrtel didn't boss him physically at all.Impressive yesterday but lets not dwell on that penalty too much!

Couldnt agree more, he had a blinder yesterday and run them ragged. Terrible pen but hopefully it won't knock his confidence too much as he was outstanding apart from that.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: alex1 on August 19, 2012, 05:10:55 PM
I beg to differ with some on here, but I would start with Lukaku instead of Long. Long obviously works very hard, but I thought Lukaku really got the better of Liverpool's defenders in a way Long didn't. Lukaku is that bit taller and he is a beast on the ball, as well as having finesse and good positional sense. I know Long won our 2 penalties, but it doesn't take that much skill to get tripped up.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 19, 2012, 05:12:23 PM
He works extremely hard for the team and a Liverpool back four which are still adjusting to a new system weren't allowed the time to settle because Long was either right behind them or straight in their face. Skrtel out of the two centre backs was the more prone to the mistake. He never really got the service to produce any goal mouth action (apart from the first penalty) but the majority of his good work came through him harassing the opposition back four and putting both Skrtel and Agger on edge.

The winning of the second penalty was just typical of his performance to be honest. Might not posses the quality that our other strikers have, but his effort and work rate is next to none and is just as good a quality.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: lewisant on August 19, 2012, 06:34:26 PM
he looks like he'd be an absolute nightmare to play against and also i think he's one of those player who really riles up opposition players and fans. One who you love if he plays for you but hate if he's against you!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 19, 2012, 08:05:06 PM
Thought Long was awful first half, very static and ultimately quiet. 2nd half he was a lot better, the winning of the second penalty especially was excellent play, and his never say die attitude is admirable. His penalty was abysmal though.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Nocky on August 20, 2012, 09:08:00 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: mulliganstired on August 20, 2012, 09:43:04 AM
I beg to differ with some on here, but I would start with Lukaku instead of Long. Long obviously works very hard, but I thought Lukaku really got the better of Liverpool's defenders in a way Long didn't. Lukaku is that bit taller and he is a beast on the ball, as well as having finesse and good positional sense. I know Long won our 2 penalties, but it doesn't take that much skill to get tripped up.

The second was actually quite skilfull, to get in front of Skrtel and put himself in control of the ball while simultaneously leaving his leg behind to be caught as Skrtel just basically continued his movement across the box, and then go down without flinging himself around too obviously
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 20, 2012, 09:47:17 AM
I beg to differ with some on here, but I would start with Lukaku instead of Long. Long obviously works very hard, but I thought Lukaku really got the better of Liverpool's defenders in a way Long didn't. Lukaku is that bit taller and he is a beast on the ball, as well as having finesse and good positional sense. I know Long won our 2 penalties, but it doesn't take that much skill to get tripped up.


Nothing to do with the fact that they were down to 10 men, first game of the season, knackered and chasing the game then, totally different for Long against a fresh 11 men.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: the rainbow turn east on August 20, 2012, 10:03:37 AM
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Savvas78 on August 20, 2012, 10:50:32 AM
I'd imagine SC would keep the same starting line up after that comprehensive spanking we dished out to Liverpool. I'm loving the fact that we have good strength in depth with our squad this season (maybe another defender needed), with quality cover for almost all positions.

Intelligent use of squad rotation should keep those legs a bit fresher, and ensure we keep picking up points consistently enough to comfortably avoid the relegation every "expert" is convinced we'll suffer!


Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 20, 2012, 11:22:07 AM
Ran his socks off in the game and won us not 1 but 2 penalties against 2 normally competent centrehalves........one of which should have been sent off earlier in the first half when bringing Shane down when breaking through on goal.

Well done son and gutted you didnt get your goal that your performance surely deserved.

Loved your celebration with Romelu after the final whistle. It looked like you'd been grabbed by a bloody great bear !!!! :o ;D
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on August 25, 2012, 07:18:44 PM
Absolutely superb again today ran his socks off despite feeding off scraps and having absolutely no service from anyone behind him for 60 minutes. Should be given the upmost respect for softening up the back four for Lakaku to exploit.

By all accounts SC thought exactly the same about his performance today along with Jacob and Mulumbu who once they got a grip largely controlled the second half.

Another cracking display against a team with the EXPECTATION of finishing in the Top 4!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 25, 2012, 07:44:53 PM
I do think he'll be useful and I think his contribution shouldn't go unmissed as he does a lot of hard work in making defences lives misery so that when Lukaku comes on, he'll be up against defenders which have been worked hard for the previous how many minutes. We saw a bit of the Hodgson factor today at times where he was miles ahead of everybody else and therefore was stifled and struggled to get any service, but credit to him again, he worked his socks off. I do think if he wishes to stay in the side he will need to improve his ability to hold up the ball. However, saying that, the work he does over 60 minutes, harassing defences, certainly gives Lukaku a greater advantage to cause the opponents damage. With Rosenberg getting closer to match fitness and Lukaku looking very impressing, retaining his place might be a struggle.

I just wish he'd buried that penalty last week against Liverpool. Would have surely been a massive confidence boost.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2012, 08:03:11 PM
Interesting role today, Spurs played with a back four and two holding midfield players, Long was only going to get scraps, he never gave in, chased and harried, selfless team job.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 25, 2012, 11:14:29 PM
Was awful today, almost embarrassed he was playing up front with the superior Fortune crowbarred in on the right (A player who did have a superb game out of his comfort zone). We will struggle as long as he is picked ahead of Lukaku or Fortune.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 25, 2012, 11:24:13 PM
aww well Jacko you can sit in the corner feeling embarrassed while i go on supporting the guy for continuing to make himself a nuisance to opposition defences. he'll get his chances soon enough. Like GrGr said in another thread, Lukaku maybe looking so good as the defence is already knackered by Longs work rate. It's a good system that has worked both times so far
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 26, 2012, 12:25:34 AM
Lukaku is clearly the stronger player so how do we play this? I by far prefer to put Lukaku on and hit 4th gear for the last 30 mins than have it the opposite way around and go from 4th gear to 2nd gear when the game is in the balance...

Lukaku is still a kid and we have a long season ahead of us. I think SC's pre-game plans were scrambled by PO's injury, but playing Fortune against BAE was interesting as BAE really struggled to cope with Fortune's power. Now if only Fortune could finish... but we've heard that one before.

And with Rosenberg not yet fully match fit I think SC is doing a superb job juggling our forwards and getting them ALL match fit and sharp.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 26, 2012, 12:28:25 AM
aww well Jacko you can sit in the corner feeling embarrassed while i go on supporting the guy for continuing to make himself a nuisance to opposition defences. he'll get his chances soon enough. Like GrGr said in another thread, Lukaku maybe looking so good as the defence is already knackered by Longs work rate. It's a good system that has worked both times so far

I don't feel even slightly embarrassed... While you were watching on TV/computer I was there watching one of the most inept performances I've seen recently. This week at least neither defender had been "run ragged" and neither defender was tired. The Long substitution was a relief at the time (this was palpable in the stand) and well past due.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 26, 2012, 05:44:03 AM
I don't feel even slightly embarrassed... While you were watching on TV/computer I was there watching one of the most inept performances I've seen recently. This week at least neither defender had been "run ragged" and neither defender was tired. The Long substitution was a relief at the time (this was palpable in the stand) and well past due.
Mate, I stay home for my family... they want to watch but cannot afford it being retired and are technophobes, so i set it up for them. also you used the word embarrassed in you last comment. so yeah slightly hypocritical there.

Also Clarke Congratulated Long work in a time when Tottenham were all over us. He congratulated Mulumbu/Yacob partnership, Dorrans and Long. So Steve seems very happy using Long
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: asa62 on August 26, 2012, 05:57:45 AM
Glad to see most can see the hard work Long puts in , I feel that Lukaku benefits from this when he comes on , in saying that  you seem to sense a change in the players when Lukaku came on , it became a different game altogether , maybe that was the plan . Long needs to improve his first touch for sure , but thats what coaches get paid for.....
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Sessegod on August 26, 2012, 08:31:14 AM
Was awful today, almost embarrassed he was playing up front with the superior Fortune crowbarred in on the right (A player who did have a superb game out of his comfort zone). We will struggle as long as he is picked ahead of Lukaku or Fortune.

We all have different opinions, I felt Fortune should have come off for Lukaku as Fortune had some good chances and couldn't get past the defender where Lukaku most probably would have.

I don't see how Long struggled at all, he works hard for himself and the team. Similar to when Kuyt played at Lpool, no one liked him either,  but you need workers in the team and Long is one of them.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: wbako on August 26, 2012, 10:23:53 AM
Was awful today, almost embarrassed he was playing up front with the superior Fortune crowbarred in on the right (A player who did have a superb game out of his comfort zone). We will struggle as long as he is picked ahead of Lukaku or Fortune.

We really should stop agreeing Jacko!

Long was poor yesterday. He struggled to hold the ball up and provided absolutely zero threat on the Spurs goal. Lukaku on the other hand was direct and showed great skill to create chances for himself and teammates. I'm afraid I can't buy the argument that Long softened their defence up either. In fact, I'd say that Vertongen and Gallas had a pretty easy afternoon until Lukaku came on.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 26, 2012, 10:32:20 AM
Lukaku is clearly the stronger player so how do we play this? I by far prefer to put Lukaku on and hit 4th gear for the last 30 mins than have it the opposite way around and go from 4th gear to 2nd gear when the game is in the balance...

Lukaku is still a kid and we have a long season ahead of us. I think SC's pre-game plans were scrambled by PO's injury, but playing Fortune against BAE was interesting as BAE really struggled to cope with Fortune's power. Now if only Fortune could finish... but we've heard that one before.

And with Rosenberg not yet fully match fit I think SC is doing a superb job juggling our forwards and getting them ALL match fit and sharp.

Good post, totally agree.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on August 26, 2012, 10:35:38 AM
If we want a central striker to hold it up it should be Fortune - none of the others can. Don't know about Rosenberg - perhaps he will be the answer.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on August 26, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
Was awful today, almost embarrassed he was playing up front with the superior Fortune crowbarred in on the right (A player who did have a superb game out of his comfort zone). We will struggle as long as he is picked ahead of Lukaku or Fortune.

He has been picked ahead of those two for the first two games and we have four points against two of the top sides...................... ???

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on August 26, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
I don't feel even slightly embarrassed... While you were watching on TV/computer I was there watching one of the most inept performances I've seen recently. This week at least neither defender had been "run ragged" and neither defender was tired. The Long substitution was a relief at the time (this was palpable in the stand) and well past due.

If someone is watching a live feed they are watching what your watching so to say its only possible to assess how he played if your there live is total nonsense to be frank. SC agreed to the signing of Jacob off the back of a pile of DVDs and your not complaining about him............................. ??? Additionally substituting a player does not constitute a bad game as you infer. In fact Long was singled out by the coach as worthy of some extra praise for his selfless performance.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Baggie-Mania on August 26, 2012, 11:54:16 AM
Yep to much criticism of Long, we were wastefull in possesion in the first half yesterday, Fortune were much worse than Long for me, Longs invisibility were more down to the teams performance than what he contributed......sometimes people need to look at those factors, I thought Tottenham started to look tired in the second half and as they changed their formation we gained a proper foothold, that was also at the same time Lukaku came on and he did have a proper impact, but to only contribute that to sub itself is not getting the factors straight. We were better with the ball in the second half seemed, especially Mulumbu (as allways) he needs to grow into a game and we picked up the pace all over.
All in all I just it much more as a team thing than just Long not being good enough, and I seriously doubt that Lukaku can play 60 70 minutes in the tempo Long is.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Lloydy on August 26, 2012, 12:10:13 PM
I've said time and time again that Long's touch is not good enough for this level and I stand by it. He'll work his socks off and credit to him for that but the ball was not sticking at all yesterday and despite the fact he was a little isolated, I felt if Fortune was in that central position he would have done a little more than Long did in terms of holding the ball.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 26, 2012, 12:13:00 PM
I agree Lloydy, was disappointed in his performance at Spurs as nothing stuck. He will always work hard, his movement off the ball is very good but he must I prove his touch if he's to become a good Premier League striker.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Mat15(MH) on August 26, 2012, 03:54:45 PM
Didn't have the best of games yesterday, worked hard as per but the ball wasn't really sticking to him. I'm not sure he's really a lone front man, I think he'd work better in a partnership where he isn't responsible for holding up the ball all the time.

Having said, the service to him for the most part wasn't the best.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 26, 2012, 04:20:49 PM
I thought he worked very hard Yesterday, ran his socks off as always.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on August 26, 2012, 07:13:11 PM
Whatever people think we shouldn't imo forget that he is a discernibly better player than some of the strikers he effectively replaced such as Bednar, Miller and Moore. If we move on again Im sure we will look back and say he did at least as good a job if not better than some of those. For me right now he is doing a decent job for us and justifying his inclusion in the team
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: kris_boing on August 26, 2012, 07:31:29 PM
I've said time and time again that Long's touch is not good enough for this level and I stand by it. He'll work his socks off and credit to him for that but the ball was not sticking at all yesterday and despite the fact he was a little isolated, I felt if Fortune was in that central position he would have done a little more than Long did in terms of holding the ball.

I agree with that.  His touch yesterday was appalling and the ball just kept coming back onto us.  He chases and harries but its not enough.  His game needs to improve.
 
I certainly wouldnt sell him though.  He's still relatively young enough for improvements to be made.
 
I like the guy and anyone who works as hard as he does deserves credit.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 26, 2012, 08:15:17 PM
Wow, how high have the expectations of our players become?  :o

Yep, when players of the calibre of Shane Long are not good enough for us, why aren't we challenging for Europe? (Oh yeah, we are  ;D)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 26, 2012, 08:23:32 PM

I agree with that.  His touch yesterday was appalling and the ball just kept coming back onto us.  He chases and harries but its not enough.  His game needs to improve.
 
I certainly wouldnt sell him though.  He's still relatively young enough for improvements to be made.

I like the guy and anyone who works as hard as he does deserves credit
.

Simon Cox?  8) (was that evil?)
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: rubyruby on August 26, 2012, 09:21:40 PM

I agree with that.  His touch yesterday was appalling and the ball just kept coming back onto us.  He chases and harries but its not enough.  His game needs to improve.
 
I certainly wouldnt sell him though.  He's still relatively young enough for improvements to be made.
 
I like the guy and anyone who works as hard as he does deserves credit.

Personally I think "appalling" is a little bit harsh. No way is he the finished article but for me he is a terrific player. In his defence first half the ball was being punted to him from a distance in a very haphazard fashion. Ollson Mulumbu Fortune and Dorrans all gave the ball away cheaply at times or played a variety of "hospital passes"
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 26, 2012, 10:34:38 PM
Simon Cox?  8) (was that evil?)

Yes it was  ;D



But seriously, I think Shane has done very well in both our games so far...

he is a serial pest and while he may not have held the ball up as much as some here would like, he fully occupied the attentions of multiple defenders which IS the job he is on the pitch for.


Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 27, 2012, 11:08:32 AM
I've seen it stated elsewhere that his hard work and tireless running knackers out defenders leaving them unable to deal with Lukaku's strength and pace when he comes on. This is why Clarke singles him out for praise as he is playing to a plan that has worked two games running.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 27, 2012, 09:47:39 PM

I agree with that.  His touch yesterday was appalling and the ball just kept coming back onto us.  He chases and harries but its not enough.  His game needs to improve.
 
I certainly wouldnt sell him though.  He's still relatively young enough for improvements to be made.
 
I like the guy and anyone who works as hard as he does deserves credit.

You sum it up well imo, spot on.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 27, 2012, 10:45:18 PM
You sum it up well imo, spot on.

I'm sorry but Shane Long's technical short comings will never be fixed. It is far too late now. Such things need to be established when players are still kids. What you see with Shane is what you will get. What might improve a bit is reading of the game and tactical astuteness. But Shane will never, ever be a good target man if you are looking for someone to hold up the ball so the team can move up the field.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on August 27, 2012, 10:58:56 PM
I'm sorry but Shane Long's technical short comings will never be fixed. It is far too late now. Such things need to be established when players are still kids. What you see with Shane is what you will get. What might improve a bit is reading of the game and tactical astuteness. But Shane will never, ever be a good target man if you are looking for someone to hold up the ball so the team can move up the field.

I agree and well put. That's not so say Shane is a poor player, I think he is very capable, but I don't think he'll ever be good at holding the ball up. Fortune is our only forward who does that successfully and consistently. I don't know about Rosenberg yet, I very much doubt he is a target man though.

Our strikers all have very different strengths; it's about utilising them and playing them when they will be at their most affective - a very difficult task.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dragon on August 27, 2012, 11:02:28 PM
I think Shane Long is being misused because when he came to Albion my indication was that he would be a great impact sub but nothing else. He has everything for that rolePace, enthusiasm and a poacher's finishing ability. But for me, he is not complete enough as a striker to consistantly start games. My worry for him is that he does not know enough tactically. By saying this I mean that he consistantly makes the wrong decision on the ball, doesn't know how to hold up the ball and generally runs around a bit like a headless chicken having not much clue of what he is doing a being hesitant to make anything of the chase.

I will not give up my cause that Simon Cox is a much better striker.  One goal and two assists isn't bad in 200 minutes.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: KingKoren on August 27, 2012, 11:15:22 PM

I will not give up my cause that Simon Cox is a much better striker.  One goal and two assists isn't bad in 200 minutes.

Whether he is better tactically or technically it irrelevant. Long is far quicker,stronger and superior in the air. In the Premiership Cox has no chance because he lacks all of those things - which is a shame.

Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: dragon on August 28, 2012, 10:12:03 AM
Whether he is better tactically or technically it irrelevant. Long is far quicker,stronger and superior in the air. In the Premiership Cox has no chance because he lacks all of those things - which is a shame.

He's actually decent in the air so saying that he has no chance is a bit over the top in my opinions. I'm not denying that Long has the advantage in those aspects, however.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 28, 2012, 12:09:32 PM
I think Shane Long is being misused because when he came to Albion my indication was that he would be a great impact sub but nothing else. He has everything for that rolePace, enthusiasm and a poacher's finishing ability. But for me, he is not complete enough as a striker to consistantly start games. My worry for him is that he does not know enough tactically. By saying this I mean that he consistantly makes the wrong decision on the ball, doesn't know how to hold up the ball and generally runs around a bit like a headless chicken having not much clue of what he is doing a being hesitant to make anything of the chase.

I will not give up my cause that Simon Cox is a much better striker.  One goal and two assists isn't bad in 200 minutes.

How many argumentative comments in one day of posting?

Cox maybe a better natural finisher, but as an all round player, long has so much more.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: saml30 on August 28, 2012, 04:59:11 PM
I think Shane Long is being misused because when he came to Albion my indication was that he would be a great impact sub but nothing else. He has everything for that rolePace, enthusiasm and a poacher's finishing ability. But for me, he is not complete enough as a striker to consistantly start games. My worry for him is that he does not know enough tactically. By saying this I mean that he consistantly makes the wrong decision on the ball, doesn't know how to hold up the ball and generally runs around a bit like a headless chicken having not much clue of what he is doing a being hesitant to make anything of the chase.

I will not give up my cause that Simon Cox is a much better striker.  One goal and two assists isn't bad in 200 minutes.

please note this is in the league below!
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 29, 2012, 12:50:58 AM
Cracking strike for his second today. But having played 80 mins I'd guess he might get a rest on Saturday.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 29, 2012, 02:51:59 AM
Cracking strike for his second today. But having played 80 mins I'd guess he might get a rest on Saturday.

He was poor again tonight, his touch is none existant. That said the two touches that mattered hit the back of the net. Don't think he'll play Saturday though.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 30, 2012, 01:06:17 PM
Anybody who thinks Shane Long is a poor player needs to have a look at a few recent season review DVD's.

From Mickey Evans to Nathan Ellington, he is one of the better strikers we have had over the last couple of decades, and its ridiculous how some people are laying into him.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 30, 2012, 03:55:52 PM
Anybody who thinks Shane Long is a poor player needs to have a look at a few recent season review DVD's.

From Mickey Evans to Nathan Ellington, he is one of the better strikers we have had over the last couple of decades, and its ridiculous how some people are laying into him.

The only one that matters was last season, his previous season when he scored 25 goals was in the Championship.
I was worried when we bought him as I wasn't convinced he could step up to Premiership level and be a consistent scorer. I'm still out as far as he is concerned. I like the fact he has pace and is a nuisance but I'm not convinced he is an out and out goalscorer. He played some absolute corkers last season Man Utd, Chelsea, Dingles and Villa but also had some pretty dismal games too....maybe that was down to the injuries he picked up.
 I thought he was excellent against Liverpool (apart from the obvious!) but was lacking against Spurs. Hopefully his brace against Yeovil will give him a boost. I would start him against Everton as I think his pace could cause them problems.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: GrGr on August 30, 2012, 11:07:01 PM
Anybody who thinks Shane Long is a poor player needs to have a look at a few recent season review DVD's.

From Mickey Evans to Nathan Ellington, he is one of the better strikers we have had over the last couple of decades, and its ridiculous how some people are laying into him.

Comparing Long to Ellington and Evans is completely irrelevant.

Saying that Long has a poor first touch is a fact, like a diagnosis. The question with Long is if he has a good enough first touch, and ability to hold up the ball, to be our starting forward. That is a genuine concern, which it most likely wouldn't be if we were playing in the Championship. But we aren't, we are aiming to be a solid mid-table + PL team. And that means weaknesses of players are highlighted to a higher degree than before.
Title: Re: Shane Long
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2012, 11:36:36 PM
Thoughts on him today?

Again, plenty of effort but the quality just isn't there. In fairness to him, he took his goal extremely well using the pace on the ball, I still think he should have buried that header in the first half. I was actually calling for his substitution to be honest, would liked to have seen Rosenberg but he soon shut me up when he buried his chance. There's just that lack of quality when it matters, the poor first touch usually and his inability to hold up the ball. Unlike Fortune. Distin and Jagielka bullied Long out the game today. Shame really but hopefully the goal i