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Title: Perspective
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on July 11, 2020, 08:50:22 PM
In 2008 we won the league with 81 points&lost 11 games. We currently have 81 points&have lost 6 games. 3 big games to go. Keep the faith
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
I'm not really sure how this helps lol.

It is important to keep calm, keep things in perspective and prepare properly for our next game.

Keep our heads and were likely to get over the line. I'd much rather be in our position than Brentford's or Fulham's.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 11, 2020, 09:02:25 PM
I'm not really sure how this helps lol.

It is important to keep calm, keep things in perspective and prepare properly for our next game.

Keep our heads and were likely to get over the line. I'd much rather be in our position than Brentford's or Fulham's.

It doesn't, it's totally irrelevant. Mowbray got the points needed to win the League. We need to get the points needed to finish top 2. There are no parallels to be drawn.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: baggie82 on July 11, 2020, 09:20:13 PM
In 2008 we won the league with 81 points&lost 11 games. We currently have 81 points&have lost 6 games. 3 big games to go. Keep the faith

Well said. 3 games left and automatic promotion is in our hands.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: tuamigos on July 12, 2020, 06:15:00 AM
For all the panic and worry we're still in the driving seat.
3 games to go 2 wins and a draw assuming the teams below all win their games.
I bet Fulham and Brentford would swap places with us in the drop of a hat.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 17, 2020, 08:52:50 PM
For all the panic and worry we're still in the driving seat.
3 games to go 2 wins and a draw assuming the teams below all win their games.
I bet Fulham and Brentford would swap places with us in the drop of a hat.

Have to say despite our season petering out in dismal fashion and 8 wins from 23 games is not good, I have enjoyed it immensely, particularly the away games. Some of the performances have been magnificent,Millwall away my favouriite ,
and Mr Pereira has been a joy to watch. I could cry at the thought of him moving on before we get to see him again.
I know we still have the play-offs to come , but I fear that that will also be a bridge too far. I would jettison Johnstone, Austin, HRK, Phillips , and Townsend, for the play-offs, and give the some of the kids an opportunity to experience big important games without crowd pressure.
We have missed a golden opportunity and if the current bottom three Prem teams are relegated, I would say we will struggle to finish ahead of any of them. Could be a while before we get another opportunity like the one we have apparently just blown
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: baggie96 on July 17, 2020, 09:06:34 PM
We should still have a decent squad next season;

Palmer (Johnstone can do one after tonight)
O’Shea ajayi Bartley Townsend
Sawyers Field
Phillips Pereira Grosicki
Zohore

A decent manager has that team challenging, I just don’t trust Bilic after the last 6 months
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Aztech on July 17, 2020, 09:08:09 PM
We should still have a decent squad next season;

Palmer (Johnstone can do one after tonight)
O’Shea ajayi Bartley Townsend
Sawyers Field
Phillips Pereira Grosicki
Zohore

A decent manager has that team challenging, I just don’t trust Bilic after the last 6 months

Pereira will not be here next season
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on July 17, 2020, 09:10:56 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: adamw1109 on July 17, 2020, 09:11:13 PM
We should still have a decent squad next season;

Palmer (Johnstone can do one after tonight)
O’Shea ajayi Bartley Townsend
Sawyers Field
Phillips Pereira Grosicki
Zohore

A decent manager has that team challenging, I just don’t trust Bilic after the last 6 months

Are you having a laugh?

Townsend, phillips and zohore need to be moved on.
O Shea has a lot to learn
Bartley is a liability
Field is 50/50 if he will be at the level we would require to push for promotion next season if we fail to go up this season.

The only positives we have for next season are Bilic and Pereira.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 09:12:03 PM
We should still have a decent squad next season;

Palmer (Johnstone can do one after tonight)
O’Shea ajayi Bartley Townsend
Sawyers Field
Phillips Pereira Grosicki
Zohore

A decent manager has that team challenging, I just don’t trust Bilic after the last 6 months

Firstly, that isn't decent,  Townsend, Bartley, Field and Zohore are in it. Secondly you're on a different planet if you think Pereira will still be here.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: gazberg on July 17, 2020, 09:12:09 PM
Pereira will be gone to cover the massive drop in parachute payments. So we have to better whatever we do this season without him and with many of the same players. Good luck to us all.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Dan87uk on July 17, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
Why?

Will be sold ASAP to a prem team to help us stay afloat financially/have some money to spend in the summer
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: baggie96 on July 17, 2020, 09:12:48 PM
Pereira will not be here next season

Something fishy going on with the transfer imo or we’d have announced him. If we have signed him, it’ll be a 4 year contract at least so I’d make him stay a year and see what happens. Only definite are no Diangana or Krovinovic, after the last couple of games, does that make much difference  ;D
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Aztech on July 17, 2020, 09:14:55 PM
Why?

Because without parachute payments we will need the funds to simply operate.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: wbarenno on July 17, 2020, 09:15:10 PM
We should still have a decent squad next season;

Palmer (Johnstone can do one after tonight)
O’Shea ajayi Bartley Townsend
Sawyers Field
Phillips Pereira Grosicki
Zohore

A decent manager has that team challenging, I just don’t trust Bilic after the last 6 months

Are you on the wind up . If that’s our team next season then I was right in saying it’s back to the 1990’s for us . In fact I’d say that team is on par or pretty close with anything we had in the 1990’s . Ajei and Perriera the only two players that are worth anything
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: wbarenno on July 17, 2020, 09:16:20 PM
Because without parachute payments we will need the funds to simply operate.

This

The 40 million we received is 65% of our turnover . Next season we get 9 million on our final parachute payment , don’t take a rocket scientist to work out that massive drop in money coming in
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: seteefeet on July 17, 2020, 09:17:00 PM
Pereira will not be here next season
Correct. Unfortunately though, we will, that’s the upshot, the only ones that really care are us poor saps.
I want Bilic sacked tonight for that, it was unforgivable. Forget the play offs, who cares, we don’t stand a chance with our current mindset and we deserve better.
I know some will say things like “unbelievable “ but I don’t care, I owe Bilic nothing. He has let us down with his flannel but, when push come to shove, he bottled it big time and doesn’t deserve another chance. Coward!
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: BB74 on July 17, 2020, 09:17:55 PM
Are you having a laugh?

Townsend, phillips and zohore need to be moved on.
O Shea has a lot to learn
Bartley is a liability
Field is 50/50 if he will be at the level we would require to push for promotion next season if we fail to go up this season.

The only positives we have for next season are Bilic and Pereira.

Bilic a positive? He’s oversaw the biggest implosion of an Albion team I have known since I started going in 96/97.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: BB74 on July 17, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
This

The 40 million we received is 65% of our turnover . Next season we get 9 million on our final parachute payment , don’t take a rocket scientist to work out that massive drop in money coming in

Some fans play too much Football Manager though and don’t understand reality.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 17, 2020, 09:20:47 PM
Bilic a positive? He’s oversaw the biggest implosion of an Albion team I have known since I started going in 96/97.

The board no doubt will see what happens with Brentford tomorrow but I’m expecting the axe to fall on Slaven. 🪓

Biggest implosion I’ve witnessed at the Albion and Franksey...”he’s gorra go”
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 17, 2020, 09:21:08 PM
And if we dont have audiences we lose season ticket revenue which in the grand scheme of things isnt much but it helps.

Today showed our issues. We have awful strikers and a shocking keeper. Good goal scoring midfielders have papered over the cracks. Perfect storm today. They spoke about a 2 year project last summer so who knows. However we wont see krovonovic diangana and probably periera next year ... and we still have a lot of dead wood to shift...
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: seteefeet on July 17, 2020, 09:21:33 PM
You really need perspective watch Brentford dismantle Stoke tomorrow.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Aztech on July 17, 2020, 09:24:00 PM
The board no doubt will see what happens with Brentford tomorrow but I’m expecting the axe to fall on Slaven. 🪓

Biggest implosion I’ve witnessed at the Albion and Franksey...”he’s gorra go”

I very much doubt it. If he were to go it would have to be a resignation as we won’t be able to afford the compensation package.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: adamw1109 on July 17, 2020, 09:26:51 PM
Bilic a positive? He’s oversaw the biggest implosion of an Albion team I have known since I started going in 96/97.

What more can he physically do with the guys he has to select his team from?

How many sitters have we saw ALL THREE of our strikers miss? especially in games that have ended in draws? That's not down to bilic because our stikers are ****
How many times as Johnstone WATCHED the ball roll past him? we can all scream to drop him but the guys replacing him are no better

Just those two factors have been massive problems all season, that's without mentioning the actual football he has bought back to the club after us all witnessing absolute dross through the Pulis period. We have a very fickle fan base I must admit.... one min he's getting called a genius because his subs have won us the game, next minute fans are calling for his head because we lose a game.

The board said it was a 2 year plan, only the deluded fans were expecting us to walk the league.... like you said yourself, too many people play football manager and don't understand reality.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: westbrom3wolves0 on July 17, 2020, 09:28:39 PM
And if we dont have audiences we lose season ticket revenue which in the grand scheme of things isnt much but it helps.

Today showed our issues. We have awful strikers and a shocking keeper. Good goal scoring midfielders have papered over the cracks. Perfect storm today. They spoke about a 2 year project last summer so who knows. However we wont see krovonovic diangana and probably periera next year ... and we still have a lot of dead wood to shift...
That's the bottom line and reality here. Hard to admit, but we overachieved going into the break with a highly productive midfield papering over the cracks of our strikers. It's not sustainable or realistic to gain promotion when you don't have a single quality and consistently reliable striker. Even Huddersfield today, battling for relegation, their top striker has 18 goals (i think), 1 shy of Austin and HRK combined!!!
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: mr multivac on July 17, 2020, 09:44:19 PM
Perspective is we’ve blown it and unless something unexpected happens
We will be in this division next season, but with less money and to many overheads
and a squad we’re basically stuck with ,and I only see us becoming another Birmingham city , with no way back , which as so many of our fans love this division will for them will be just dandy , but. for me being a supporter for over fifty years will be a major disappointment, I strive to see us were we belong in the top division even if we’re only there to make up the numbers we are West Brom we shouldn’t accept second best

Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 09:52:34 PM
Perspective is we’ve blown it and unless something unexpected happens
We will be in this division next season, but with less money and to many overheads
and a squad we’re basically stuck with ,and I only see us becoming another Birmingham city , with no way back , which as so many of our fans love this division will for them will be just dandy , but. for me being a supporter for over fifty years will be a major disappointment, I strive to see us were we belong in the top division even if we’re only there to make up the numbers we are West Brom we shouldn’t accept second best

Lovely post mate. I feel your pain at only 32 years in.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: graka on July 17, 2020, 09:59:51 PM
He should resign
He keeps picking Johnstone who absolutely puts the fear of God into our average back four
He picks a midfield duo who have no pace or creativity and also offer very little defensively
3 awful strikers ( why not give tulloch a run)
Basically if a. It of magic from Grady or Pereira doesn't win us the game we are really quite an average team with no plan b
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 10:02:21 PM
He should resign
He keeps picking Johnstone who absolutely puts the fear of God into our average back four
He picks a midfield duo who have no pace or creativity and also offer very little defensively
3 awful strikers ( why not give tulloch a run)
Basically if a. It of magic from Grady or Pereira doesn't win us the game we are really quite an average team with no plan b

I'd love to hear his candid thoughts on Johnstone and the strikers after he leaves the club.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: johnny Cash on July 17, 2020, 10:39:17 PM
I'd love to hear his candid thoughts on Johnstone and the strikers after he leaves the club.

Me too. Sadly I expect he’s too nice and too professional to give it. Whatever his short comings, he’s does genuinely seem a top bloke.

I’ve said it a few times now, but he’s a more eloquent DM.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: GREGMT on July 17, 2020, 10:40:19 PM
People need to calm down.  If you were there through the mid80's and mid 90's it was worse. 

The achilles heel is the strike force.  With Robson-Kanu, the opposition are squeezing the Albion midfield 10 yards higher up the pitch.  Put yourself in Bartley/Hegazi/Ajayi's shoes, you know he's not going to score and if we concede we are in trouble, now that's pressure.

We can still win the play offs, the promotion dream is not over yet.  We must pick ourselves up.  We need to beat QPR convincingly to get the confidence back.  The reality is the 3rd place team deserve to go up anyway.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: alex1 on July 17, 2020, 10:52:33 PM
People need to calm down.  If you were there through the mid80's and mid 90's it was worse. 

The achilles heel is the strike force.  With Robson-Kanu, the opposition are squeezing the Albion midfield 10 yards higher up the pitch.  Put yourself in Bartley/Hegazi/Ajayi's shoes, you know he's not going to score and if we concede we are in trouble, now that's pressure.

We can still win the play offs, the promotion dream is not over yet.  We must pick ourselves up.  We need to beat QPR convincingly to get the confidence back.  The reality is the 3rd place team deserve to go up anyway.
Good post, though quite understand alot of the emotional reactions. 
If I was a manager of one of the other Play off teams, I would not look forward to taking on West Brom. Tonight we probably deserved a draw, and Huddersfiled's winner was the only chance I remember they had 2nd half. Over 2 matches I think we can beat Cardiff. The one team who worry me are Fulham, but last Tuesday we were to my mind the better team, and came close to doing it. 
But the players have got to pick themselves up from tonight 

Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: baggie82 on July 17, 2020, 10:55:09 PM
Good post, though quite understand alot of the emotional reactions. 
If I was a manager of one of the other Play off teams, I would not look forward to taking on West Brom. Tonight we probably deserved a draw, and Huddersfiled's winner was the only chance I remember they had 2nd half. Over 2 matches I think we can beat Cardiff. The one team who worry me are Fulham, but last Tuesday we were to my mind the better team, and came close to doing it. 
But the players have got to pick themselves up from tonight

Agreed and I agree with GREGMT. Good to know we have some fans on this forum that have a memory span past the last few seasons.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Manc Baggie on July 17, 2020, 10:58:25 PM
Love your optimism & totally agree that the 3rd placed team should go up.
Even though I had the best day ever seeing our play off promotion from the old div 3, I have never been a fan of the play offs. Top 3 should be automatic promotion, end of debate.
Sadly however, it’s rarely the 3rd place team who make it through the play offs & I don’t feel very positive about our chances.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Aztech on July 17, 2020, 10:58:28 PM
Good post, though quite understand alot of the emotional reactions. 
If I was a manager of one of the other Play off teams, I would not look forward to taking on West Brom. Tonight we probably deserved a draw, and Huddersfiled's winner was the only chance I remember they had 2nd half. Over 2 matches I think we can beat Cardiff. The one team who worry me are Fulham, but last Tuesday we were to my mind the better team, and came close to doing it. 
But the players have got to pick themselves up from tonight

I disagree, most teams will be confident against us as our belief in winning games has disappeared
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 11:00:38 PM
Love your optimism & totally agree that the 3rd placed team should go up.
Even though I had the best day ever seeing our play off promotion from the old div 3, I have never been a fan of the play offs. Top 3 should be automatic promotion, end of debate.
Sadly however, it’s rarely the 3rd place team who make it through the play offs & I don’t feel very positive about our chances.

I believe this is not true and more often than not 3rd wins the play offs, I imagine we can buck the trend mind you.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2020, 11:05:07 PM
I think what's hurting the most at the moment is looking towards the future.

Forest have had 20 years outside the top flight now, Derby have had 12 years, Ipswich 18 years, Preston 60 years, Bristol City 40 years and Blackburn 8 years.

Without parachute payments, there isn't much that separates us from these also ran clubs.

I could very easily be in my 50's the next time West Brom get to the top flight.

What a waste.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: GREGMT on July 17, 2020, 11:39:29 PM
I am hurting, but we have to try and find a positive out of this (as hard as it is).

Moping and moaning won't change tonight's result.  You can't actually say Huddersfield deserved it, we merited 1 point at least.

Playing x2 per week has been a disadvantage for much of our squad.  How many do we have >30?  Austin, HRK, Livermore, Phillips, Gibbs, Grosicki, Brunt.  Bartley and Hegazi must be close to 30.  Maybe the rest before the play-offs will allow us to re-group?
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 18, 2020, 12:38:34 AM
What more can he physically do with the guys he has to select his team from?

How many sitters have we saw ALL THREE of our strikers miss? especially in games that have ended in draws? That's not down to bilic because our stikers are ****
How many times as Johnstone WATCHED the ball roll past him? we can all scream to drop him but the guys replacing him are no better

Just those two factors have been massive problems all season, that's without mentioning the actual football he has bought back to the club after us all witnessing absolute dross through the Pulis period. We have a very fickle fan base I must admit.... one min he's getting called a genius because his subs have won us the game, next minute fans are calling for his head because we lose a game.

The board said it was a 2 year plan, only the deluded fans were expecting us to walk the league.... like you said yourself, too many people play football manager and don't understand reality.
The honest and quick answer to your question........not pick Johnstone....no other area of the team has been as week as him this year (last 2 seasons) .
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Standaman on July 18, 2020, 02:43:06 AM
I am hurting, but we have to try and find a positive out of this (as hard as it is).

Moping and moaning won't change tonight's result.  You can't actually say Huddersfield deserved it, we merited 1 point at least.

Playing x2 per week has been a disadvantage for much of our squad.  How many do we have >30?  Austin, HRK, Livermore, Phillips, Gibbs, Grosicki, Brunt.  Bartley and Hegazi must be close to 30.  Maybe the rest before the play-offs will allow us to re-group?

I hate to rob you of your silver lining but the first leg of the play-off's is scheduled for the 26th July just 4 days after the last fixture.

Although I will give it you back in that the build up to the play-off game is quick the players don't stew and have an opportunity to rid themselves of the psychological baggage of the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 18, 2020, 02:57:07 AM
I hate to rob you of your silver lining but the first leg of the play-off's is scheduled for the 26th July just 4 days after the last fixture.

Although I will give it you back in that the build up to the play-off game is quick the players don't stew and have an opportunity to rid themselves of the psychological baggage of the last few weeks.

What do you make of Bilic Stan? You post on the facts, but I'd love to hear your opinion on the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: the other AJ on July 18, 2020, 08:07:12 AM
Yesterday needs to be consigned to the bin and time to look forward. Wallowing in it is counterproductive and we still have 2 chances to go up;

1. Brentford f up (unlikely)
2. Play offs second chance at a 2 game mini World Cup

Until it’s over and despite our obvious shortcomings I will still believe we are good enough to get out of this division.

Positive vibes people...
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: kirk on July 18, 2020, 09:28:39 AM
A lot of people moaning that our team next season will be a disaster, would any of them have picked any of the Brentford players at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 18, 2020, 09:29:39 AM
A lot of people moaning that our team next season will be a disaster, would any of them have picked any of the Brentford players at the start of the season.
Yes Watkins for sure
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: skyclad99 on July 18, 2020, 09:38:09 AM
People need to calm down.  If you were there through the mid80's and mid 90's it was worse

The achilles heel is the strike force.  With Robson-Kanu, the opposition are squeezing the Albion midfield 10 yards higher up the pitch.  Put yourself in Bartley/Hegazi/Ajayi's shoes, you know he's not going to score and if we concede we are in trouble, now that's pressure.

We can still win the play offs, the promotion dream is not over yet.  We must pick ourselves up.  We need to beat QPR convincingly to get the confidence back.  The reality is the 3rd place team deserve to go up anyway.

Been there, done that and you are right Greg.

Good post, and actually it amazes me that we are where we are with out current 'strike force'. If we are to progress any further next season, regardless of the division, this is the area that must be addressed. If we had got this position right at the start, we would be on the cigars by now.........

Not out of it yet though.   
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: Standaman on July 18, 2020, 09:44:31 AM
What do you make of Bilic Stan? You post on the facts, but I'd love to hear your opinion on the last few weeks.

I have started writing the obituary for the season but I think I going to wait until it is officially declared dead before I post it.

It is easy to overlook how strange this mini 9 game season is and I think there some dynamics which any coach would have struggled to come to terms with. What I will specifically say about Bilic and I could equally say of Bielsa (who I congratulate on his promotion) is that he is a high variance coach. By what I mean their general approach to the game is risky and therefore outcomes are prone to fairly wild swings. When things go well they go very well and when they go bad they are very bad indeed.

Bielsa has a long career and he has cratered on many occasions, his sucess at Leeds is atypical if anything and Bilic gave West Ham their best season the Premier League but he also took them to the edge of relegation. It is seldom dull but things have a habit of blowing up. Bilic and Bielsa might have been the only coaches able to get their teams a 13 point lead but by the same token might have been the only ones to be capable of blowing a 13 point lead. 

 
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: paulosull on July 18, 2020, 09:47:09 AM
A lot of people moaning that our team next season will be a disaster, would any of them have picked any of the Brentford players at the start of the season.
next season if still in chump will have to cut our cloth accordingly with no investment forth coming from owner. Transfer funds will be limited so players need to be moved on to raise fees, will be stuck with alot of dead wood until contractors run down.
Title: Re: Perspective
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 18, 2020, 12:02:04 PM
I have total faith in Slaven but very little in the balance of the team.

As many have said, on paper it's simple - two or three excellent strikers and a half decent keeper and we'd have romped to the title this year. THAT's what's wrong and somehow, no matter what division we are in next season, we have to find the funds to fix that.

It's a two year mission and let's face it we are already a million miles away from Pulisball. I hope Slav can keep building on what he's achieved this year and we get the right people in.