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Title: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 27, 2020, 06:46:11 PM
Anyone been quaranted yet?  ;D

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on February 27, 2020, 07:12:05 PM
Anyone been quaranted yet?  ;D

or even quarantined  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 27, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
or even quarantined  ;)

That to!

Stock markets in free fall, school closures, no wonder the boomers don't care for climate change they have bigger things to worry about!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on February 27, 2020, 08:49:50 PM
Somebody that works for the same company as me is! He's been to Italy recently.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2020, 12:20:22 AM
I tried to get the missus done, but she isn't having it sadly
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2020, 09:49:30 AM
on a slightly more serious note,
I find it troubling that this virus is generating the hysteria it is with around 3k deaths to date, this is insignificant when judged against crises like Syria / Yemen / Venezuela......
also the "normal" influenza strain will have a heavier toll
a natural disaster like an earthquake / tsunami can kill many times more instantly.

Yes there is potential for this to become significant but at the moment does it justify the reaction / coverage its getting?

We would be far better focussing on world hunger TBH
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 28, 2020, 10:01:53 AM
on a slightly more serious note,
I find it troubling that this virus is generating the hysteria it is with around 3k deaths to date, this is insignificant when judged against crises like Syria / Yemen / Venezuela......
also the "normal" influenza strain will have a heavier toll
a natural disaster like an earthquake / tsunami can kill many times more instantly.

Yes there is potential for this to become significant but at the moment does it justify the reaction / coverage its getting?

We would be far better focussing on world hunger TBH

the cynic in me wonders if the coverage it has received is because it is affecting people in the 1st world, where as the crises that you mention mainly/only affect people in the 3rd world?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Davros1582 on February 28, 2020, 10:14:23 AM
does anyone know where the 2nd world is?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 28, 2020, 10:18:51 AM
i wondered when this topic would arrive, lets hope non of us make the kick the bucket list
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 28, 2020, 10:19:31 AM
does anyone know where the 2nd world is?


underground apparently. all the top politicians and the mega rich know about this
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2020, 11:01:40 AM
does anyone know where the 2nd world is?

I thought it was a socio-economic definition, but its not according to this, this claims its more of a political construct

https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries.htm
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 28, 2020, 11:03:33 AM
does anyone know where the 2nd world is?
it’s mostly the ex soviet and communist states, the Cuba’s and Ukraine’s of the world
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 28, 2020, 11:12:08 AM
the cynic in me wonders if the coverage it has received is because it is affecting people in the 1st world, where as the crises that you mention only affect people in the 3rd world?
of course, it’s active news that effects people either directly via infection or indirectly through travel restrictions. Add that it hadn’t got a cure until recently and we are still a while away from a viable sellable drug and it having a fast news cycle as developments are happening all the time and it’s a media goldmine.

Venezuela effects Venezuelans, Yemen effects Yemenis, a tsunami effects a local area but a viral pandemic effects everyone. You can sell it much better to more people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on February 28, 2020, 12:46:17 PM
Add that it hadn’t got a cure until recently and we are still a while away from a viable sellable drug...

Viruses can't be 'cured' in the way we consider bacterial infections (etc) can be with antibiotics.

Generally, it's up to your own immune system to systematically eliminate it from you; this is what vaccines try to encourage such that any new infection (of the same) fails to manifest. Some viruses are well adapted to avoid the immune system by either 'changing unrecognisably' or moving to unreachable areas.

The only other common management strategy, for now, is the use of antiviral drugs. It's important to note that these do not actively remove or destroy viruses at all; they just inhibit either their development or spread. Some viruses can stay dormant in cells, enabling the infection to re-establish itself if there's no longer any antivirals to stop them... This happens, for example, in the very common herpes simplex viruses (you know, the one which gives you cold sores?) and is why they will flare up every so often.. if you've had a cold sore once, you'll always have that symptom come up occasionally again and again. HIV is another example of similar behaviour. Even then, the drugs themselves need to be affective against what they're meant to be.


However, most viruses are able to be properly eliminated by the body eventually, it's just a matter of decent research about this particular one to determine more about it. It really should be quite like the other few human coronoviruses which are common. As always, the main concern is both its contagiousness and its ability to induce pneumonia (either directly or indirectly via resulting weak immune system). The most worrying virus for us would be one which was extremely contagious and highly (but not totally) lethal in at least one way - this is only as or less contagious as most viruses causing the cold and is a lot more challenging for elderly lungs.

The main idea is to contain it best as possible; in worst case spread if everyone's going to contract it eventually, you definitely don't want it happen all at once, and definitely not during winter where there are other things to contend with (ie; secondary infections and saturated healthcare services). There is only so much facility available...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: NJS on February 28, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
Out f the body, cold viruses persist on hard surfaces for 7 days;  flu viruses: 24 hours; infectious flu on tissues 15 minutes.

So buy tissues, dispose immediately after use, wash hands. wash hands, wash hands - especially before cooking and touching eyes and mouth.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 28, 2020, 01:55:11 PM
first brit to die, one of the passengers on the japanese cruise
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 28, 2020, 02:03:34 PM
just listening to radio, if it continues at the rate it is, most sports are going to be affected, season could be over soon folks. we are promoted
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 28, 2020, 02:19:49 PM
just listening to radio, if it continues at the rate it is, most sports are going to be affected, season could be over soon folks. we are promoted


They'll finish the season behind closed doors if necessary, can't see it having any impact though.


Can see why the Swiss are doing it, they've got a huge open land border with Northern Italy. There is no actual outbreak in the UK, just residual cases from abroad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 28, 2020, 02:40:11 PM
sorry to say but all travel to and from abroad needs to be stopped. NOW.unfortuanately those currently abroad cant come back at this moment in time
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sted1990 on February 28, 2020, 04:44:51 PM
sorry to say but all travel to and from abroad needs to be stopped. NOW.unfortuanately those currently abroad cant come back at this moment in time

Or let them back after 2 weeks of isolation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Sted1990 on February 28, 2020, 04:51:24 PM
I seriously doubt euro 2020 will be going ahead all over Europe. Especially when you think of the people travelling all around.

I'm going to watch a game in Bucharest the opening weekend, I cant see it happening myself.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: NJS on February 28, 2020, 05:39:03 PM
Out f the body, cold viruses persist on hard surfaces for 7 days;  flu viruses: 24 hours; infectious flu on tissues 15 minutes.

So buy tissues, dispose immediately after use, wash hands. wash hands, wash hands - especially before cooking and touching eyes and mouth.

I might have been too dramatic with my selection from the following article:
http://jamaicahospital.org/newsletter/how-long-can-viruses-live-outside-the-body/

later on:-

"How long these germs are actually capable of infecting you is a different story. In general, viruses are not likely to be a danger on surfaces very long. In fact, while cold viruses can live for several days, their ability to cause infection decreases after approximately 24 hours, and after only five minutes, the amount of flu virus on hands fall to low levels, making transmission much less likely."

There's a chance for the human race yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2020, 06:50:58 PM
Yet another reason that I don't put an ungloved hand on a rail (escalators etc.)
You don't know who coughed or sneezed into their hand, and then held onto the rail, thus depositing germs and goo etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on February 28, 2020, 09:42:52 PM
Yet another reason that I don't put an ungloved hand on a rail (escalators etc.)
You don't know who coughed or sneezed into their hand, and then held onto the rail, thus depositing germs and goo etc.

What if you aye got any gloves?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 28, 2020, 10:24:42 PM
Be careful.
It does take a bit of balance.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on February 28, 2020, 10:39:40 PM
Yet another reason that I don't put an ungloved hand on a rail (escalators etc.)
You don't know who coughed or sneezed into their hand, and then held onto the rail, thus depositing germs and goo etc.
Goo???!!!  Jesus, I will never go to M&S again
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 29, 2020, 07:20:39 AM
Detection and treatment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51674696
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on February 29, 2020, 09:52:24 AM
sorry to say but all travel to and from abroad needs to be stopped. NOW.unfortuanately those currently abroad cant come back at this moment in time

They have looked at this before and by their calculations it would only delay any virus coming into the country but it would come on the other hand the distribution this would cause would be economically damaging and have huge impact on people’s lives fir a benefit of a few months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on February 29, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
"The Premier League could soon hold emergency crisis talks to decide whether Liverpool can be crowned champions if the season has to be stopped early."

So, this will obviously affect us in the same way. We need a decision soon whilst we still have a 10 point advantage on the third placed team.  ;D

Source: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/11061949/premier-league-coronavirus-liverpool-title/

OK, so it's the Sun!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2020, 01:37:55 PM
You can not buy hand sanitizer anywhere, not helpful when we are on the edge of a pandemic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 02, 2020, 01:44:53 PM
You can not buy hand sanitizer anywhere, not helpful when we are on the edge of a pandemic.

I'm still giggling that anti bacterial hand sanitizer has sold out. It's a virus not bacteria ap that would do nothing, alcohol required to kill this virus.

Best bet is to wash your hands with hot soappy water as the soap lifts the virus and bacteria off your hands.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 02, 2020, 03:37:31 PM
lyreco have sold out
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2020, 04:51:30 PM
I'm still giggling that anti bacterial hand sanitizer has sold out. It's a virus not bacteria ap that would do nothing, alcohol required to kill this virus.

Best bet is to wash your hands with hot soappy water as the soap lifts the virus and bacteria off your hands.

You can buy alcohol based hand sanitizer, well, you can normally, just not at the moment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2020, 05:17:49 PM
The population of England is approximately 55,977,178.
40 are now know to have Covid-19
So less than 1 in a million have contracted it.
Be aware and be careful should be the watch words.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBArgo on March 02, 2020, 06:54:06 PM
The population of England is approximately 55,977,178.
40 are now know to have Covid-19
So less than 1 in a million have contracted it.
Be aware and be careful should be the watch words.

The number of diagnosed is 40, but with Coronavirus it's often undetected for most people so the real number is much higher. Besides, it started with 1 person and is now close to 100k worldwide so it can spread quickly.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 02, 2020, 07:39:40 PM
The population of England is approximately 55,977,178.
40 are now know to have Covid-19
So less than 1 in a million have contracted it.
Be aware and be careful should be the watch words.

Wondering if there is a specific reason why you refer to just England and not the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which has a population of 66.87+ million?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2020, 08:05:37 PM
I thought that the media were only concentrating on England. They also said about 1 person in Scotland and 1 person in Ireland.
I have just checked, and yes, they do mention the UK.
So 40 out of over 66 million is really tiny.
Everyone has to take care but still understand the risk of catching it, is still minimal.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 02, 2020, 08:43:58 PM
I think the real problem is how it can spread through a population without really showing itself in a lot of people who just feel a bit sniffly and tired, like we all do off and on through the winter, then if it takes off it could overwhelm health services.  The wife's a nurse and she's been told there are all sorts of plans for different situations, its just that nobody really knows how it s going to pan out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dan87uk on March 02, 2020, 09:03:42 PM
as of 02/03*

World Infection Rate:

Of the 90k infected

Deaths Worldwide

Make of it what you will, but the Hysteria levels are way over the top for the amount of people affected as of yet. This isn't even taking into account that most of the deaths have been 70+ year olds, usually with underlying medical conditions as well. Most other peoples symptoms are ranging from nothing at all to mild flu like symptoms.

That's not to say we should be complacent, as the situation can change of course, but I think we need to dial back on the crazy about it. More people die from the various types of flu that are already knocking about within a week than this has infected/killed in months.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 02, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
Its all a CIA plot anyway, they are just demonstrating to China their ability to release biological warfare if required.  Any rational person would know this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 02, 2020, 09:37:42 PM
Its all a CIA plot anyway, they are just demonstrating to China their ability to release biological warfare if required.  Any rational person would know this.

I think you’ve been reading too many Dean Koontz’s books  ;) :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 02, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
Its all a CIA plot anyway, they are just demonstrating to China their ability to release biological warfare if required.  Any rational person would know this.
This is rubbish.  It is clearly the work of Blofeld.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 02, 2020, 10:01:03 PM
This is rubbish.  It is clearly the work of Blofeld.

Jeeze, its clearly the CIA, I am 100% ITK, trust me   (Donald T is the brains behind it - obviously)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2020, 10:28:51 PM
Without doubt the most bizarre claim ever on here
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 02, 2020, 10:49:48 PM
Without doubt the most bizarre claim ever on here

Nothing bizarre about it, open your eyes for gods sake,
a) the only states in US with cases are democrat states,
b) South Korea full of it, North Korea nothing,
c) Italy talking of leaving EU and going Fascist

its clearly orchestrated. Don T and Kim il sending messages to the world.......

I hereby predict Greenland will be the next Hot spot !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 03, 2020, 10:15:44 AM
Has anyone stopped shaking hands with visitors or friends due to this Coronavirus?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 03, 2020, 12:39:04 PM
Has anyone stopped shaking hands with visitors or friends due to this Coronavirus?

No, I just make sure I wash my hands as soon as I can.
TBH I normally do that anyway, you only have to visit public toilets to see how many people leave without washing their hands.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 03, 2020, 04:50:55 PM
Now the Yanks have cut interest rates so hard they've spooked the markets
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hardtobeat on March 03, 2020, 06:19:58 PM
Time for a bit of perspective.....40 000 people per DAY die of TB and there is a known treatment /cure
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 03, 2020, 06:50:50 PM
I’ll admit it, I’m a Covid-19 denier, I don’t consider it to be anymore lethal than flu  8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 04, 2020, 03:49:20 PM
its when folk start keeling over is when i will raise an eyebrow. 85 confirmed cases today
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on March 04, 2020, 05:52:52 PM
I’ll admit it, I’m a Covid-19 denier, I don’t consider it to be anymore lethal than flu  8)

Does anyone know the stats for influenza over the same period?
Might be interesting
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 04, 2020, 06:48:52 PM
Does anyone know the stats for influenza over the same period?
Might be interesting

Although this is from 2018, I think, at this time, it makes the point.

You could also try googling to view the latest figures
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 04, 2020, 09:02:31 PM
Additionally, Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.

COVID-19 has claimed around 3,200 deaths so far worldwide.

Also:  https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 05, 2020, 06:57:47 AM
Additionally, Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.

COVID-19 has claimed around 3,200 deaths so far worldwide.

Also:  https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year

There must be more to this virus than they are letting on.
The don't usually get so panicy about normal flu, shutting schools talk of cities in lock down is unheard of in my lifetime.
Might be just another way of governments controlling the masses, who knows?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 05, 2020, 07:47:36 AM
some stats,fatailty rate 0.01% for flu nearly 4% for coronavirus. it ay just a flu
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 05, 2020, 08:02:42 AM
What Devon said, the fatality rate is a lot higher and it appears to spread just as easily.  That's why it is much more serious.  Would you rather catch a virus with a 0.01% chance of killing you or a 3.5% chance?  It is a big difference.

Where I disagree with the media is the framing of it being panic mode.  The vast majority of the deaths are in the elderly or those with respiratory issues.  Odds are, if you're fit and healthy, you'd most likely survive.

Further issues could arise as it's not clear how much medical treatment is needed if you do catch it.  So even though you could be fit and healthy and a good candidate to survive if you get the right treatment.  There's a risk you may not due to NHS services being overwhelmed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 05, 2020, 08:24:05 AM
What Devon said, the fatality rate is a lot higher and it appears to spread just as easily.  That's why it is much more serious.  Would you rather catch a virus with a 0.01% chance of killing you or a 3.5% chance?  It is a big difference.

Where I disagree with the media is the framing of it being panic mode.  The vast majority of the deaths are in the elderly or those with respiratory issues.  Odds are, if you're fit and healthy, you'd most likely survive.

Further issues could arise as it's not clear how much medical treatment is needed if you do catch it.  So even though you could be fit and healthy and a good candidate to survive if you get the right treatment.  There's a risk you may not due to NHS services being overwhelmed.

Remember that's 3.5% fatality rate while the hospitals are not overwhelmed. I'm currently on the train, peak time service never seen it this quite outside of holiday time...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: NJS on March 05, 2020, 08:34:43 AM
It's not just the percentage of fatalities it's rate of infection.  The covid-19 virus is highly contagious/ easy to transfer between people.  Thus it has the potential to cause a lot of deaths.  In the early stages of infection it has no symptoms but can infect other people.  Some people hardly suffer any symptoms and so unknowingly infect others: I think these cases are the so-called super-spreaders.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 05, 2020, 02:37:47 PM
And there's currently no vaccine.......

......I've also read there's unlikely to be one until next year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 05, 2020, 03:24:52 PM
And the scare stories coming from the Daily Liar ( Mail )  >:(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 05, 2020, 03:42:25 PM
And there's currently no vaccine.......

......I've also read there's unlikely to be one until next year.

Really!. You think the multi- billionaire pharma companies have not got one?. Let the press spread mass hysteria and then boom the vaccine will come at a price
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 05, 2020, 05:11:25 PM
Today's Latest Global Coronavirus Data:

Confirmed Cases: 96,953 Ambulance

Deaths: 3,310 Skull

Recovered: 53,982

Active Cases: 39,661

- Mild Cases: 33,239 (84%)
- Serious/Critical 6,422 (16%)

Covid-19 figures are reliant on information provided by individual governments.

"Patient with underlying health conditions becomes first person with Covid-19 to die in the UK, hospital says"

The NHS and Public Health organisations are extremely well prepared for outbreaks of new infectious diseases. The NHS has put in place measures to ensure the safety of all patients and NHS staff while also ensuring services are available to the public as normal. Please check the GOV.UK for the latest information.

Returning travellers

Stay indoors and avoid contact with other people immediately if you’ve travelled to the UK from:

Hubei province in China in the last 14 days, even if you do not have symptoms
Iran, lockdown areas in northern Italy or special care zones in South Korea since 19 February, even if you do not have symptoms
other parts of mainland China or South Korea, Hong Kong, Japan, Macau, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan or Thailand in the last 14 days and have a cough, high temperature or shortness of breath (even if your symptoms are mild)

other parts of northern Italy (anywhere north of Pisa, Florence and Rimini), Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar or Vietnam since 19 February and have a cough, high temperature or shortness of breath (even if your symptoms are mild)

Do not go to a GP surgery, community pharmacy or hospital. Use the 111 online coronavirus service to find out what to do next.

In Scotland call your GP or NHS 24 on 111 out of hours.

In Wales call 111 (if available in your area) or 0845 46 47.

In Northern Ireland call 111.

For region specific information and advice in:

England visit nhs.uk
Wales visit phw.nhs.wales
Scotland visit nhsinform.scot
Northern Ireland visit HSC - Public Health Agency
Find out more about what you should do if you’re asked to self-isolate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: darbolina on March 05, 2020, 06:28:51 PM
From what I've seen it only affects the lungs so we basically need to keep it out of our mouths and nose by religiously cleaning hands and not letting people with it sneeze or cough at our faces - sorted!

The rate of death vs cases is a lot by anyone's maths though - in Italy (comparable to us in terms of age population and health care, has a 3.5% death rate vs those who have had it (recorded so far). The Spanish flu in 1918 had a death rate of around 2% I think I saw  although then healthcare was way worse but people didn't travel and mix as much.

I suspect there's a lot of unrecorded mild cases though which may bring down the stats.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 05, 2020, 06:39:16 PM
Coronavirus - Age Data

Risk of dying by age group if infected.

80+ years old - 14.8%
70-79 years old - 8.0%
60-69 years old - 3.6%
50-59 years old - 1.3%
40-49 years old - 0.4%
30-39 years old - 0.2%
20-29 years old - 0.2%
10-19 years old - 0.2%
0-9 years old - no fatalities
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 05, 2020, 08:45:55 PM
I am surprised that worried people aren't going around wearing latex gloves.
Not kinky Marigolds, though.

Unless you feel it is a way to be accepted as something normal.   :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 05, 2020, 09:12:44 PM
I am surprised that worried people aren't going around wearing latex gloves.
Not kinky Marigolds, though.

Unless you feel it is a way to be accepted as something normal.   :o

Are you worried DB?

"Yet another reason that I don't put an ungloved hand on a rail (escalators etc.)"
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on March 05, 2020, 09:31:52 PM
I'm only going to take notice of what health professionals i.e. experts, advise.
Not what politicians say.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 05, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
I'm only going to take notice of what health professionals i.e. experts, advise.
Not what politicians say.

I think we have had enough of experts, blind panic and alternative facts are the only way forward.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 05, 2020, 10:09:16 PM
I am surprised that worried people aren't going around wearing latex gloves.
Not kinky Marigolds, though.

Unless you feel it is a way to be accepted as something normal.   :o

Gloves, whatever the type, are of little use, unless you constantly change them when you touch a surface or shake a hand etc. as the infection is passed on just the same as the bear hand, when you touch your nose, mouth, face.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on March 05, 2020, 10:29:09 PM
I think we have had enough of experts, blind panic and alternative facts are the only way forward.
I'd sooner listen to people who have studied the subject matter rather than politicians putting their own gloss on to suit their political agenda. I think we've seen enough of that in the last few years. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 05, 2020, 10:38:39 PM
I see that a lot of supermarkets are selling out of toilet paper.
Do you get the thruppeny bits with this virus a swell?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 06, 2020, 12:38:25 AM
Really!. You think the multi- billionaire pharma companies have not got one?. Let the press spread mass hysteria and then boom the vaccine will come at a price

For sure, have a valid swipe at the powerful, but don't underestimate the time it takes to truly make sure something discovered in medicine is actually 'safe' for people and won't, for example, cause infertility, birth defects, intussusception etc etc :-X

For instance, during the 09/10 winter season (the H1N1 "Swine Flu" pandemic), a vaccine produced by GlaxoSmithKline in Brentford (Pandemrix, patented 2006, approved 2009) found itself under suspicion of causing narcolepsy after administration in some young people in Finland and Sweden...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 06, 2020, 12:46:03 AM
Really!. You think the multi- billionaire pharma companies have not got one?. Let the press spread mass hysteria and then boom the vaccine will come at a price

Yes, really.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 06, 2020, 07:48:29 AM
Are you worried DB?

I am of the "at greater risk" age group and have heart trouble (atrial fibrillation), but no, I am not really worried.
Just use common sense any way.
I wont be going on a cruise though.
They are full of.... newly weds and nearly deads.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 06, 2020, 08:37:00 AM
Virology expert: coronavirus mortality 'keeps coming down'

This 15 minute video of an interview with Doctor Paul Offit an eminent American virologist is, in my opinion, a balanced, measured and sensible assessment of Corvid-19 and worth watching.

Sources: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/03/02/doctor-paul-offit-coronavirus-pandemic-trump-response-aman.cnn
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 06, 2020, 08:38:59 AM
I see that a lot of supermarkets are selling out of toilet paper.
Do you get the thruppeny bits with this virus a swell?

No, it's just heard mentality in a panic everyone else is doing it so should I to...

Apparently their is a rumour toilet paper only comes from China!

I really do want under how we are the apex species on this planet at times.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 06, 2020, 08:54:11 AM
No, it's just heard mentality in a panic everyone else is doing it so should I to...

Apparently their is a rumour toilet paper only comes from China!

I really do want under how we are the apex species on this planet at times.

Sorry, I might be being a bit slow here, but if toilet paper only comes from China and Corvid-19 started in China why buy their toiler paper, which might be carrying the virus?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2020, 09:03:10 AM
just been to sainburys, every other person carrying bog roll, must be a big football game on
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 06, 2020, 09:25:37 AM
Sorry, I might be being a bit slow here, but if toilet paper only comes from China and Corvid-19 started in China why buy their toiler paper, which might be carrying the virus?

In case it disrupts the supply of bog roll I suppose. Never mind the several 1000 tons that are in warehouses and shipping containers somewhere over the ocean.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 06, 2020, 09:40:25 AM
I must admit that I am one of this people who are making sure I have enough in.

I bought 48 bottles of Bathams yesterday.  ; 8) :P
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 06, 2020, 09:47:59 AM
I must admit that I am one of this people who are making sure I have enough in.

I bought 48 bottles of Bathams yesterday.  ; 8) :P

Surely that's not enough. Are you on the wagon?  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 06, 2020, 10:06:49 AM
Surely that's not enough. Are you on the wagon?  ;D

You are so right that aye enough :(  must send the missus out to get some more. ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: seteefeet on March 06, 2020, 10:21:59 AM
You are so right that aye enough :(  must send the missus out to get some more. ;)
Apparently Vodka is also very good so I have filled my bath with it. ;)

I'm also currently developing a bum cleaning hose pipe attachment, for the impending bog roll crisis. This time next year Rodney I'll ........ still be skint!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2020, 11:04:42 AM
apparently corona doesnt like booze
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 06, 2020, 11:30:42 AM
I must admit that I am one of this people who are making sure I have enough in.

I bought 48 bottles of Bathams yesterday.  ; 8) :P

Theirs a diference between self quarantining and going on a 14-day bender. You need more booze.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 06, 2020, 12:20:43 PM
"Where are we going Piglet?" asked Pooh.

"We need to get supplies," said Piglet. "For the Coronavirus"

"Ahh," said Pooh, nodding in understanding. "Things like bread, milk, cough mixture, tissues and cat litter even though we don't have a cat?"

Piglet did a little laugh, and a sort of leap and bit of a cough. "No," said Piglet. "No, those aren't the sort of supplies we need at all! What we need are family sized bags of chocolate buttons, massive toblerone, jelly babies and crunchies and a freezer full of stuffed crust pizzas, and all of the Prosecco that we can possibly carry, so that when we get quarantined we won't mind it even slightly. THOSE are supplies."

All of a sudden, Pooh thought that the idea of coronavirus didn't seem quite so bad, and actually, getting quarantined with Piglet and their supplies really didn't sound such a terrible thing after all. "Oh Piglet," said Pooh. "I really do think you are a very wise animal."
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Tank on March 06, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
But not as wise as Donald Trump. he's top of the very wise list.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 06, 2020, 03:56:59 PM
Somebody wanted loo rolls?
https://www.gogroopie.com/deal/15eajns1jfu/60_or_120_Cusheen_3_Ply_Soft_White_Toilet_Rolls___Free_Pack_of_5_Bic_Disposable_Razors

120 Cusheen for less than £30
And a free pack of razors to really freshen up "down there"!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 06, 2020, 05:41:50 PM
What worries me the most about shops running out of hand soap, is  did the dirty *****s never wash their hands  before!

Perhaps we will see a big decrease in cold and flu being spread as some dirty ******'s start washing their hands.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 06, 2020, 05:49:38 PM
What worries me the most about shops running out of hand soap, is  did the dirty feckers never wash their hands  before!

Perhaps we will see a big decrease in cold and flu being spread as some dirty ******'s start washing their hands.

My missus just went to the co-op to get some food items and she had a look for some soap while she was there has she had heard all these stories, guess what these stories are true, no soap even the expensive stuff.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 06, 2020, 06:17:19 PM
A few years ago, I was at Edgbaston for a 50 over’s match between England and India.

I went to the toilet, was standing there, waiting for a stream, as you do when you are of a certain age, when this bloke in his mid thirties came and stood right next to  me at the urinal, he had a pint of larger in one hand and a beef burger in the other.

He held the burger between his teeth while unzipping his fly, whipped his old man out took the burger out of his mouth, having taken a sizeable bite from it and continued to pee with no hands.

He **** like a stallion spraying it up the urinal and splashing himself and anyone else in close proximity i.e. me and doing this while taking a large  gulp from his pint to wash his burger down.

That was bad enough, but you’ll never guess what the “**** de résistance” was, when he had finished this Neanderthal ritual, he didn’t even  bother to wash his hands as he had a pint in one hand and a burger in the other, understandable really, if your Neanderthal.

Believe it or not, that is a true story.

And we wonder at the transmission of disease, bacteria and virus
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 06, 2020, 11:04:59 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sports-bosses-and-broadcasters-summoned-to-discuss-contingency-plans-11951225
That's me and most of Halfords Lane out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 06, 2020, 11:19:37 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sports-bosses-and-broadcasters-summoned-to-discuss-contingency-plans-11951225
That's me and most of Halfords Lane out.

"Such a ban may affect the former England and current Crystal Palace manager Roy Hodgson, who is 72." ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 06, 2020, 11:38:58 PM
A few years ago, I was at Edgbaston for a 50 over’s match between England and India.

I went to the toilet, was standing there, waiting for a stream, as you do when you are of a certain age, when this bloke in his mid thirties came and stood right next to  me at the urinal, he had a pint of larger in one hand and a beef burger in the other.

He held the burger between his teeth while unzipping his fly, whipped his old man out took the burger out of his mouth, having taken a sizeable bite from it and continued to pee with no hands.

He **** like a stallion spraying it up the urinal and splashing himself and anyone else in close proximity i.e. me and doing this while taking a large  gulp from his pint to wash his burger down.

That was bad enough, but you’ll never guess what the “**** de résistance” was, when he had finished this Neanderthal ritual, he didn’t even  bother to wash his hands as he had a pint in one hand and a burger in the other, understandable really, if your Neanderthal.

Believe it or not, that is a true story.

And we wonder at the transmission of disease, bacteria and virus

That conjured up a beautiful image for me, thank you for that. Went to Aldi in Redruth, Cornwall today and they had everything. No panic buying here!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 07, 2020, 06:23:49 AM
A few years ago, I was at Edgbaston for a 50 over’s match between England and India.

I went to the toilet, was standing there, waiting for a stream, as you do when you are of a certain age, when this bloke in his mid thirties came and stood right next to  me at the urinal, he had a pint of larger in one hand and a beef burger in the other.

He held the burger between his teeth while unzipping his fly, whipped his old man out took the burger out of his mouth, having taken a sizeable bite from it and continued to pee with no hands.

He **** like a stallion spraying it up the urinal and splashing himself and anyone else in close proximity i.e. me and doing this while taking a large  gulp from his pint to wash his burger down.

That was bad enough, but you’ll never guess what the “**** de résistance” was, when he had finished this Neanderthal ritual, he didn’t even  bother to wash his hands as he had a pint in one hand and a burger in the other, understandable really, if your Neanderthal.

Believe it or not, that is a true story.

And we wonder at the transmission of disease, bacteria and virus

You see it at home match's too.
Pint in one hand , dick in the other.
I should be surprised at such low life antics but unfortunately I'm not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggie38 on March 08, 2020, 06:29:17 AM
"Such a ban may affect the former England and current Crystal Palace manager Roy Hodgson, who is 72." ;D

Surely they would excuse Roy as a one off.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tommcneill on March 09, 2020, 09:36:42 AM
That conjured up a beautiful image for me, thank you for that. Went to Aldi in Redruth, Cornwall today and they had everything. No panic buying here!

Tesco in Truro ran out apparently bud. But every shop my missus went to there was everything.. we brought 2 packs...like we normally do
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 09, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
The ***** and their panic buying are becoming a bit annoying.

We can't get even get the basics of our fortnightly shop because of people rushing to the shops.

Asda great bridge has no toilet roll whatsoever. No tinned food on the shelves.

The worst part is that half of the food will be chucked away in a few weeks. Muppets.

I'll have to find another supermarket now to do me my shop.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: phbaggies on March 09, 2020, 03:49:24 PM
The ***** and their panic buying are becoming a bit annoying.

We can't get even get the basics of our fortnightly shop because of people rushing to the shops.

Asda great bridge has no toilet roll whatsoever. No tinned food on the shelves.

The worst part is that half of the food will be chucked away in a few weeks. Muppets.

I'll have to find another supermarket now to do me my shop.
Tescos West Brom had loads of everything yesterday mate, particularly toilet roll
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wba1993dave on March 09, 2020, 09:30:02 PM
Italy in lock down. Suspect in the next 2 weeks we (The UK) will be in the same boat.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 09, 2020, 09:41:21 PM
Italy in lock down. Suspect in the next 2 weeks we (The UK) will be in the same boat.
100% guaranteed,  the italian stats are pretty scary 9000 cases 450plus dead and accelerating !

We are today on 320 cases, which is where Italy was on Feb 25th, so we are tracking almost exactly 2 weeks behind, its going to get messy !

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: royhan on March 09, 2020, 09:44:13 PM
100% guaranteed,  the italian stats are pretty scary 9000 cases 450plus dead and accelerating !

We are today on 320 cases, which is where Italy was on Feb 25th, so we are tracking almost exactly 2 weeks behind, its going to get messy !

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

Those are really frightening stats.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 09, 2020, 10:35:35 PM
We are hearing of all the new cases but no news on how many are recovering from this Coronavirus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 10, 2020, 07:08:24 AM
We are hearing of all the new cases but no news on how many are recovering from this Coronavirus.

In China and South Korea on Sunday the increase in cases slowed down. Not sure what happened yesterday. I work in Health and Social Care so I have began taking this seriously but the panic buying isn’t helping care homes like the one I manage. It is making it more difficult for us to buy gloves, alcohol gel and so on and these are the things we need to function on a day to day basis even before coronavirus.

It is worrying slightly, we care for 3 young men with autism etc but one guy is very very vulnerable so we do have to do everything we can. I don’t usually worry about these kind of things on a personal level but this time, when it’s somebody else’s life it does make you consider it all a lot more.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 10, 2020, 08:08:21 AM
Italy has the highest concentrated population of chineese outside of china i hear and we all know how they meet & greet eachother which obviously hasnt helped.
whos going to the cheltenham festival


mike bring your mask on saturday
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 10, 2020, 09:26:49 AM
In China and South Korea on Sunday the increase in cases slowed down. Not sure what happened yesterday. I work in Health and Social Care so I have began taking this seriously but the panic buying isn’t helping care homes like the one I manage. It is making it more difficult for us to buy gloves, alcohol gel and so on and these are the things we need to function on a day to day basis even before coronavirus.

It is worrying slightly, we care for 3 young men with autism etc but one guy is very very vulnerable so we do have to do everything we can. I don’t usually worry about these kind of things on a personal level but this time, when it’s somebody else’s life it does make you consider it all a lot more.

It's almost as those stockpiling the soaps and alcohol gels haven't thought this through. By hoarding they are denying others the opportunity to use said products, thus increasing their own chances of coming into contact with someone carrying the virus. Weapons grade jelly for brains on an industrial scale.

How can we/they class ourselves/themselves as the most advanced and intelligent species on earth, when the logic of self preservation has it's own very obvious pitfalls? Atishooo, atishooo....... Sod it, enough thinking for one day. I'm off for a dump.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: MarkW on March 10, 2020, 09:49:49 AM
Italy has the highest concentrated population of chineese outside of china i hear and we all know how they meet & greet eachother which obviously hasnt helped.
whos going to the cheltenham festival


mike bring your mask on saturday

Don't know where you've heard that, but Italy has about 320,000 Chinese. That puts them outside the Top 20 for countries,  even behind the UK (446k).

Thailand holds top spot with over 9 million.

Also, I don't know what you're referring to as "how they meet and greet each other". Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: seteefeet on March 10, 2020, 09:52:28 AM
It's almost as those stockpiling the soaps and alcohol gels haven't thought this through. By hoarding they are denying others the opportunity to use said products, thus increasing their own chances of coming into contact with someone carrying the virus. Weapons grade jelly for brains on an industrial scale.

How can we/they class ourselves/themselves as the most advanced and intelligent species on earth, when the logic of self preservation has it's own very obvious pitfalls? Atishooo, atishooo....... Sod it, enough thinking for one day. I'm off for a dump.
Don't forget to wash your hands mate

God save our gracious queen............
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 10, 2020, 09:59:12 AM
It's almost as those stockpiling the soaps and alcohol gels haven't thought this through. By hoarding they are denying others the opportunity to use said products, thus increasing their own chances of coming into contact with someone carrying the virus. Weapons grade jelly for brains on an industrial scale.

How can we/they class ourselves/themselves as the most advanced and intelligent species on earth, when the logic of self preservation has it's own very obvious pitfalls? Atishooo, atishooo....... Sod it, enough thinking for one day. I'm off for a dump.

You know what the next move will be?
Stop the mass gatherings by playing football matches behind closed doors and televising said events.
Then we can all go down the pub and watch the game together.
Oo hang on a bit!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 10, 2020, 10:00:49 AM
Don't know where you've heard that, but Italy has about 320,000 Chinese. That puts them outside the Top 20 for countries,  even behind the UK (446k).

Thailand holds top spot with over 9 million.

Also, I don't know what you're referring to as "how they meet and greet each other". Care to elaborate?


not sure if your correct there, i got the info from an italian professor i just heard on LBC radio,maybe said aging chineese. as far as meet and greet, Kissing faces side to side. i thought you might have guessed that
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 10, 2020, 10:03:25 AM
Don't forget to wash your hands mate

God save our gracious queen............

Will do, that batch of alcohol gel I bought online should come in 'handy' now  ;D .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: MarkW on March 10, 2020, 10:56:57 AM

not sure if your correct there, i got the info from an italian professor i just heard on LBC radio,maybe said aging chineese. as far as meet and greet, Kissing faces side to side. i thought you might have guessed that

My apologies, I didn't realise you meant the Italian greeting.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2020, 10:58:09 AM

not sure if your correct there, i got the info from an italian professor i just heard on LBC radio,maybe said aging chineese. as far as meet and greet, Kissing faces side to side. i thought you might have guessed that

That's how a majority of continental European people greet each other.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2020, 11:05:07 AM
Don't know where you've heard that, but Italy has about 320,000 Chinese. That puts them outside the Top 20 for countries,  even behind the UK (446k).

Thailand holds top spot with over 9 million.

Also, I don't know what you're referring to as "how they meet and greet each other". Care to elaborate?

And yet, given their close proximity to China, Thailand have one of the lowest mortality rates, because the implemented testing actions immediately

Coronavirus deaths

China: 3119
Italy: 463
Iran: 237
South Korea: 53
France: 30
Spain: 30
US: 22
Japan: 17
Iraq: 6
UK: 5
Australia: 3
Netherlands: 3
Hong Kong: 3
Switzerland: 2
Germany: 2
San Marino: 2
Canada: 1
Thailand: 1
Egypt: 1
Taiwan: 1
Argentina: 1
Philippines: 1
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 10, 2020, 11:45:54 AM
In China and South Korea on Sunday the increase in cases slowed down. Not sure what happened yesterday. I work in Health and Social Care so I have began taking this seriously but the panic buying isn’t helping care homes like the one I manage. It is making it more difficult for us to buy gloves, alcohol gel and so on and these are the things we need to function on a day to day basis even before coronavirus.

It is worrying slightly, we care for 3 young men with autism etc but one guy is very very vulnerable so we do have to do everything we can. I don’t usually worry about these kind of things on a personal level but this time, when it’s somebody else’s life it does make you consider it all a lot more.

Go online and buy rubbing alcohol it’s much better than hand sanitizers etc and the press haven’t picked up on it so prices are still cheap
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 10, 2020, 11:49:37 AM
Italy in lock down. Suspect in the next 2 weeks we (The UK) will be in the same boat.

That will not happen, the uk are not being pressurised by the mass hysteria from the press and are using scientific advise instead. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wba1993dave on March 10, 2020, 11:53:13 AM
Potentially big news . The Forest owner has the virus and was at their last home game. Good chance he could have infected the playing staff or general staff. 
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 10, 2020, 01:46:48 PM
Potentially big news . The Forest owner has the virus and was at their last home game. Good chance he could have infected the playing staff or general staff.

Rumour is he shook hands with a lot of players and people!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 10, 2020, 01:47:44 PM
That will not happen, the uk are not being pressurised by the mass hysteria from the press and are using scientific advise instead.

Except mass gatherings band and anyone with a cold/flue symptoms go be self-isolated regardless of foreign trips.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggie53 on March 10, 2020, 02:10:17 PM
Go online and buy rubbing alcohol it’s much better than hand sanitizers etc and the press haven’t picked up on it so prices are still cheap

Yes people are buying up these hand gels and they are useless against a virus - they are anti-bacterial

I read yesterday that a sanitiser needs to be 70% alcohol to kill the virus
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2020, 02:14:41 PM
Wolves have asked Uefa to postpone Thursday's Europa League game against Olympiacos, after their owner Evangelos Marinakis revealed he has contracted coronavirus. Decision expected in the next 24 hours.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 10, 2020, 03:08:00 PM
Yes people are buying up these hand gels and they are useless against a virus - they are anti-bacterial

I read yesterday that a sanitiser needs to be 70% alcohol to kill the virus

Needs to have 60% alcohol
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 10, 2020, 03:48:40 PM
We could also try Listerine Total Care as if is 54% proof.

Helpful for use as a liquid sanitiser instead of gel and has 26.9% alcohol content, more alcohol content than some beers, wines and spirits, so you can have a swig at the same time as sanitising your hands, mind you, it is an acquired taste.

Additionally, it comes in handy to carry 500ml and 1l bottles.

There, job done  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 11, 2020, 03:21:46 PM
I quote
Why does soap work so well on the new coronavirus and, indeed, most viruses? Because it is a self-assembled nanoparticle in which the weakest link is the lipid (fatty) bilayer.
That sounds scientific. Let me explain.
Soap dissolves the fat membrane around the virus and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and “dies,” or rather, it becomes inactive as viruses aren’t really alive. Viruses can be active outside the body for hours, even days.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 11, 2020, 03:25:54 PM
On a different note - today my workplace began 'senior management contingency planning' for a possible two week closure starting at any-point in the next four weeks and probably with minimal warning.
 ???
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2020, 03:53:50 PM
On a different note - today my workplace began 'senior management contingency planning' for a possible two week closure starting at any-point in the next four weeks and probably with minimal warning.
 ???

2 weeks is not sufficient, our chinese suppliers staff left in Jan for Chinese new year and many are still not able to return, The Hong Kong / Shenzhen borders are still largely closed and HK is enforcing 14 day isolation still. 14 daysmay be ok for an individual but not for a community / enterprise
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 11, 2020, 04:30:00 PM
Albion introduce measures........

'West Bromwich Albion have today invoked a series of measures in response to the growing concern about the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

Acting on medical advice, the Club is reluctantly taking steps to restrict interaction between players and supporters while shutting down daily access to its training ground facilities to all but essential staff.

“The coronavirus is obviously a developing situation which is causing growing concern not just in football but throughout society,” said Albion’s Sporting and Technical Director Luke Dowling.

“The last thing we want to do is spoil the natural engagement between the players and fans but we feel it forms part of our responsibility to try to help protect the well-being of the players, staff and our supporters.”

Albion are asking fans to co-operate in resisting the demand for autographs and selfies pre-and-post match at The Hawthorns and in other social settings.

The Club have also had to cancel all planned community and commercial appearances by the players while we regret we will have to temporarily limit our regular matchday tours for sponsors to areas beyond the first-team tunnel, dressing rooms and dug-outs.

Unfortunately, mascot access to the first team on match days, beginning with Saturday’s Sky Bet Championship match against Birmingham City, will also be restricted. The Club will be contacting those who have booked this package to discuss their options.

At the training ground, parents and relatives of our Academy players will be asked to observe restricted access to the building and its facilities.

At the main Academy on Halfords Lane, there will also be limited access to the building.

The Club stresses that these measures are being introduced on a temporary basis only and we thank our supporters, sponsors and guests for their co-operation in advance.

Advice about combating the spread of the virus is subject to change and we will keep our supporters up to date here at wba.co.uk'.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/albion-introduce-measures-to-tackle-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 11, 2020, 07:19:09 PM
Strange thing today in Liverpool, 3000 Spanish fans in the city today,I suspect if it was the other way round would reds fans be allowed to travel to Spain?
Just wondering it seems countries all seem to have their own opinions on this virus,why can't the world agree on the way forward?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 11, 2020, 07:40:59 PM
Strange thing today in Liverpool, 3000 Spanish fans in the city today,I suspect if it was the other way round would reds fans be allowed to travel to Spain?
Just wondering it seems countries all seem to have their own opinions on this virus,why can't the world agree on the way forward?

Madrid has a population of around 6 million with a total of confirmed cases around 600. This play behind closed doors is a farce, fans are still gathering outside the stadium and if you were contagious you stand to infect the same amount of people in the ground as if you caught a bus to work
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 11, 2020, 07:55:09 PM
Cobra meeting tomorrow for the government, I expect the UK to move to delay phase - Italy style shut down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on March 11, 2020, 08:02:01 PM
Cobra meeting tomorrow for the government, I expect the UK to move to delay phase - Italy style shut down.

Why delay? Just get it out there and over and done with!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 11, 2020, 08:04:37 PM
Cobra meeting tomorrow for the government, I expect the UK to move to delay phase - Italy style shut down.

I was under the impression that Cobra were meeting daily anyway.

First case in Worcester confirmed today, well the person works in Worcester but lives elsewhere.

I would say Italy style shut down in the next two weeks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 11, 2020, 08:18:48 PM
I was under the impression that Cobra were meeting daily anyway.

First case in Worcester confirmed today, well the person works in Worcester but lives elsewhere.

I would Italy style shut down in the next two weeks.

WHO have declared it a pandemic today and its also post budget now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 11, 2020, 08:45:35 PM
I've spoken to my friend earlier who lives in Portofino and she said that she is not allowed out of her sort of county but can go out of her flat,not nice to be couped like this she says
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2020, 08:56:25 PM
History

Between 1665 and 1666, Eyam was the village of the damned. During 14 terrible months of self-imposed isolation, 260 villagers died out of a population of around 700. But the plague remained contained and the surrounding villages spared.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 11, 2020, 09:12:53 PM
The ***** and their panic buying are becoming a bit annoying.

We can't get even get the basics of our fortnightly shop because of people rushing to the shops.

Asda great bridge has no toilet roll whatsoever. No tinned food on the shelves.

The worst part is that half of the food will be chucked away in a few weeks. Muppets.

I'll have to find another supermarket now to do me my shop.
Why would the tinned food need to be chucked in a few weeks?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 11, 2020, 09:21:51 PM
Why would the tinned food need to be chucked in a few weeks?

Food banks might be suffering as a result of this panic buying
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on March 11, 2020, 11:34:58 PM
Have read this evening that a Coronavirus victim has died in Dudley. Tragic indeed but the likelihood is, therefore, that quite a lot of others in the area will also have been infected. I don’t wish to over react but I am considering giving the match on Saturday a miss. I live just over an hour away from The Hawthorns and as yet, there have been no reports of this virus here; only a matter of time I’m afraid, though. Unfortunately, I fall well into the ‘elderly’ category and doubly unfortunately, I have a heart problem, albeit a minor one. So, I must decide, watch it live or on TV?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 12, 2020, 04:01:54 AM
Why delay? Just get it out there and over and done with!

I can't believe this is thought of as a satisfactory (let alone moral) outcome. :o

So - you want to leave a new infectious virus out unchecked into the general population and risk a hugely inflated death tally, not necessarily directly from those infections, but from a national saturation of intensive medical care (among many other secondary impacts)?

And for what... just getting it 'over and done with'? :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2020, 06:30:12 AM
Have read this evening that a Coronavirus victim has died in Dudley. Tragic indeed but the likelihood is, therefore, that quite a lot of others in the area will also have been infected. I don’t wish to over react but I am considering giving the match on Saturday a miss. I live just over an hour away from The Hawthorns and as yet, there have been no reports of this virus here; only a matter of time I’m afraid, though. Unfortunately, I fall well into the ‘elderly’ category and doubly unfortunately, I have a heart problem, albeit a minor one. So, I must decide, watch it live or on TV?

Not an over reaction I don't think.
My son called me last night and he also suggested giving the game a miss. I think there may well be others thinking the same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mikehy on March 12, 2020, 06:40:18 AM
Why delay? Just get it out there and over and done with!
I totally agree. I think there has been a total over reaction. 460 out of over 60 million have got it and 460 out of 27000 plus tested. If that % continued we would only be looking at around 11000 cases in the whole of the uk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2020, 07:22:58 AM
I totally agree. I think there has been a total over reaction. 460 out of over 60 million have got it and 460 out of 27000 plus tested. If that % continued we would only be looking at around 11000 cases in the whole of the uk.

I'll reserve judgement on an over reaction until we're through this.
I don't think it's properly got hold yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on March 12, 2020, 08:47:08 AM
I'll reserve judgement on an over reaction until we're through this.
I don't think it's properly got hold yet.

I don’t think it has either, but lock down is a drastic step. I also struggle to see how it works unless we are going to lock down the boarders afterwards. Surely it will just make its way back in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 12, 2020, 09:24:00 AM
I totally agree. I think there has been a total over reaction. 460 out of over 60 million have got it and 460 out of 27000 plus tested. If that % continued we would only be looking at around 11000 cases in the whole of the uk.

That's not how it works though.  People are being tested because they might have had contact with someone who has it, or been to an area that is riddled with it.  Some of those 27,000 tested can still end up with it by catching it at a later date.  The virus spread exponentially, so infections will take a while to get hold then the number of them will explode. 

We are effectively just trying to delay the spread so it doesn't overwhelm the NHS.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 12, 2020, 09:29:07 AM
Italy closed all its small shops, supermarkets still open but only letting in a few at a time, this is where we now see more panic buying over here in the next few days
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 12, 2020, 09:51:11 AM
I totally agree. I think there has been a total over reaction. 460 out of over 60 million have got it and 460 out of 27000 plus tested. If that % continued we would only be looking at around 11000 cases in the whole of the uk.

A total over reaction you must be joking, there is not enough being done, expects say between 20% and 80% of the population could get this virus, even 20% of 66 million ( uk population ) is over 13 million.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 12, 2020, 10:12:30 AM
A total over reaction you must be joking, there is not enough being done, expects say between 20% and 80% of the population could get this virus, even 20% of 66 million ( uk population ) is over 13 million.

And with a 3% fatality rate that would be nearly 400,000 people dead.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tommcneill on March 12, 2020, 10:37:39 AM
Madrid has a population of around 6 million with a total of confirmed cases around 600. This play behind closed doors is a farce, fans are still gathering outside the stadium and if you were contagious you stand to infect the same amount of people in the ground as if you caught a bus to work

That doesnt make it a farce, it make the supporters stupid and ignorant
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 12, 2020, 02:24:07 PM
Three Leicester City players in self isolation........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 12, 2020, 02:37:01 PM
Died unfortunately now 10 in U.K.  two in London today  . 590 positives  biggest daily rise yet
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 12, 2020, 03:28:09 PM
Just popped out to get a box of tea bags from the local Morrisons.
Empty shelves. People with large trolleys packed high.
Basically no pasta, tinned goods, long life milk.
What about the people who live from week to week?
They will find it hard to get their basics because of the hoarders.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 12, 2020, 03:43:03 PM
The 2 people who have died today both had underlying serious health issues which seems to be the case with those who have unfortunately died.

The mass panic and over-reaction from some is pathetic, yes we should all be concerned but also sensible, wash your hands and be sensible about things. I've been sat in Starbucks for 4/5 hours a day for the last 3 weeks or so due to no net at home until next week, the state of the toilets is a disgrace and shows some are still not doing the basics but the place is still rammed every day and some are doing what they need to do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 12, 2020, 04:38:15 PM
Just popped out to get a box of tea bags from the local Morrisons.
Empty shelves. People with large trolleys packed high.
Basically no pasta, tinned goods, long life milk.
What about the people who live from week to week?
They will find it hard to get their basics because of the hoarders.

Unfortunately it's all about Me Me Me with these greedy Barstewards.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 12, 2020, 05:28:33 PM
It's a little surreal and like watching a disaster movie unfold in front of your eyes.

But I honestly believe we each have it within our "washed" hands to defeat this contagion.

OldburyWBA mentioned Starbucks toilets, but some of our hospitals toilets are no better.

"Cleanliness is next to godlessness" as the old adage goes 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Tank on March 12, 2020, 05:53:05 PM
Godliness
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 12, 2020, 05:56:27 PM
Is this fixation to close the schools on par with buying toilet roll as a means to defeat/cope with the disease?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 12, 2020, 06:11:24 PM
Godliness

Indeed, I pray for forgivenesness  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: GrGr on March 12, 2020, 06:14:12 PM
The 2 people who have died today both had underlying serious health issues which seems to be the case with those who have unfortunately died.

The mass panic and over-reaction from some is pathetic, yes we should all be concerned but also sensible, wash your hands and be sensible about things. I've been sat in Starbucks for 4/5 hours a day for the last 3 weeks or so due to no net at home until next week, the state of the toilets is a disgrace and shows some are still not doing the basics but the place is still rammed every day and some are doing what they need to do.

This virus spreads mostly through the air. Most folks who get it won't be very sick, but a very large percentage will. 3% death rate is staggering. That's 3 people out of 100. Flu is 1 in 1000.

So it's not so much about 'most people', it's about the deadliness of the virus for elderly, diabetics, heavy smokers, asthma/lung patients, cancer patients and so on. If 'most people' don't take care they will infect the vulnerable for whom the risk is FAR greater.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 12, 2020, 06:58:38 PM
Two newspapers were on the floor of a newsagents, when someone put down a paper bag by the side of them.
One newspaper said to the other, "Watch out, I think he's a carrier".
Just to lighten the mood a bit.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 12, 2020, 07:57:32 PM
I went to Truro today and it was really freakishly quiet. Starbucks was empty asides from us and another table.

Then i went to Tescos in Redruth and there was no paracetamol, no hand sanitiser gel and toilet roll shelves looking bare. I only wanted one of each to contribute to the care home i manage and 1 for myself if possible but i've had to buy paracetamol with caffeine as it was all Superdrug had and i couldn't get anything else.

As a Manager of a Care home i find it pretty sad that regular folk are hoarding this stuff while we can't actually safeguard vulnerable adults in care and there aren't any contingency plans. I know people have said about rubs etc but it's not as simple as that when caring for people with autism, mental health and challenging behaviours unfortunately.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 12, 2020, 08:41:03 PM
The link below is to an interactive map of the UK that shows how many cases of Corvid-19 there are in an area.

So, you can find out how many cases there are in your county for instance. Not sure how accurate it is, but thought it might be useful

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/coronavirus-where-you-live-check-the-number-of-cases-in-your-area-with-our-interactive-map/

Additionally, the link below is an interview with a guy who has recovered from Corvid-19 and he explains what it was like.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51858845?at_campaign=64&at_custom3=%40BBCNews&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_custom2=twitter&at_medium=custom7&at_custom4=E4590B82-6498-11EA-8C95-2BB94744363C
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 12, 2020, 09:19:38 PM
I went to the university in Worcester today for some physio, no hand sanitiser gel in the 4 dispensers in the place, bloody disgusting. >:(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 12:12:35 AM
I went to the university in Worcester today for some physio, no hand sanitiser gel in the 4 dispensers in the place, bloody disgusting. >:(

I'm tempted to say members of the public have been liberating the contents of said dispensers into containers for their own use. However, I was in A+E at the QE during November and there was no sanitiser in the dispensers back then. Further to this there was fugg all in the toilets when I went for an appointment last month either. I'm going in for a scan on Sunday afternoon, I'll keep you posted  ;) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 13, 2020, 09:23:16 AM
I'm tempted to say members of the public have been liberating the contents of said dispensers into containers for their own use. However, I was in A+E at the QE during November and there was no sanitiser in the dispensers back then. Further to this there was fugg all in the toilets when I went for an appointment last month either. I'm going in for a scan on Sunday afternoon, I'll keep you posted  ;) .

That has been 100% happening at Royal Cornwall Hospital down here. You were probably joking but it's genuinely happened!

So Hudson-Odoi positive for coronavirus too.

I've had my first argument with a friend about it! Told me i was overreacting by researching it and spending the day putting contingency plans in place in the Residential Care home i manage and am therefore legally responsible for and I'm registered with the CQC (Care Quality Comission). I was in shock really, on a personal level i haven't changed a lot, normal amounts of toilet roll purchased, I wanted a hand sanitiser gel but couldn't get one. Anyway, in the home i manage we have 3 young men with autism and LD so they will likely be fine apart from 1 of them who has severe epilepsy, has had pneumonia, is susceptible to chest infections and has a number of underlying health issues. He has a short life predicted and he is the absolute embodiment of a vulnerable person. Everything we do in work now has to be led by this young man's needs. When i was told i was overreacting i was so angry. All i'm doing is trying to make him safe and I think that's what we all need to do, make the most vulnerable people we know safe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 09:31:25 AM
anybody know of any one personally who has got this yet, most of us are going to get this virus i suspect. its quite possibly going to be around year on year
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 13, 2020, 10:18:21 AM
FOOTBALL: All Champions League and Europa League matches next week are off!
Uefa have just confirmed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 13, 2020, 10:36:38 AM
Ben Rumsby

@ben_rumsby
Premier League, EFL and FA all preparing statements confirming suspension of football in England.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 13, 2020, 10:43:42 AM
Ben Rumsby

@ben_rumsby
Premier League, EFL and FA all preparing statements confirming suspension of football in England.

I thought the PL meeting started at 10.30?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2020, 10:50:53 AM
A very interesting take from Prof. Graham Medley about the modelling of the coronavirus spread and herd immunity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blkDulsgh3Q
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: dangerman on March 13, 2020, 10:58:05 AM
Ben Rumsby

@ben_rumsby
Premier League, EFL and FA all preparing statements confirming suspension of football in England.

Villa again are going to jam it and yet again it'll be at our expense won't it?  >:(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 11:23:16 AM
on the back of current news i now expect proper panic buying
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 13, 2020, 11:30:48 AM
on the back of current news i now expect proper panic buying

So what do I need to buy because of the panic buyers and will that make me a panic buyer?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 13, 2020, 11:46:52 AM
So what do I need to buy because of the panic buyers and will that make me a panic buyer?!


spend twice as much i suppose, no pasta in asda apparently
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 02:16:49 PM
That has been 100% happening at Royal Cornwall Hospital down here. You were probably joking but it's genuinely happened!...........

Not entirely joking, just acknowledging that it's an ongoing problem. As an aside I was in a Tesco's not far from where I live earlier. No bog roll on the shelves at all but the kitchen roll was being snapped up. You just know people are going to be clogging the sewers with the stuff. Popped into the loo for a pee on the way out and a chap was stuffing the bog roll from there into a holdall. Couldn't help myself, just burst out laughing, shook my head and called him a female sex part (or words to that effect). I'd only popped in to the shop to pick up my prescription - of laxatives (Molaxole/Macrogol)!

No s**t, well not for a good while anyway  ;D ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ5rbPlsdHw
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 13, 2020, 03:26:00 PM
The level of our stock piling is a tin of corned beef. :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: phbaggies on March 13, 2020, 04:39:48 PM
I just popped to Sainsburys in Rowley in my lunch break to make sure we have some bog roll in the house before the world ends, Jesus christ it was carnage!! They had just had a delivery of said rolls come out on two trolleys, it was like a pack of seagulls around a bag of chips!!!

Also if you want pasta, rice, UHT milk, soap, toothpaste, tinned stuff, sugar, etc forget it the shelves are empty!!!  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 13, 2020, 04:55:35 PM
The level of our stock piling is a tin of corned beef. :o
I've got some tins of sweetcorn, we could knock up a hash
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2020, 04:59:22 PM
The large stores need to intervene and set up some kind of rationing system to ensure a fairer distribution.

But I dare say, that very soon, the hoarders will have no more space left in which to hoard  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 13, 2020, 05:03:55 PM
I just popped to Sainsburys in Rowley in my lunch break to make sure we have some bog roll in the house before the world ends, Jesus christ it was carnage!! They had just had a delivery of said rolls come out on two trolleys, it was like a pack of seagulls around a bag of chips!!!

Also if you want pasta, rice, UHT milk, soap, toothpaste, tinned stuff, sugar, etc forget it the shelves are empty!!!  :o

Try this site.
https://www.gogroopie.com/deal/1ahcy161k3e/36__72_or_108_Pack_of_Jumbo_Size_Soft_Toilet_Rolls
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
Try this site.
https://www.gogroopie.com/deal/1ahcy161k3e/36__72_or_108_Pack_of_Jumbo_Size_Soft_Toilet_Rolls

The small print says he may have to wait up to ten days for delivery. Might be better off buying some shower gel and a flannel, that or keeping his mouth shut whilst doing a handstand in the shower  ;D .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 13, 2020, 05:19:39 PM
The small print says he may have to wait up to ten days for delivery. Might be better off buying some shower gel and a flannel, that or keeping his mouth shut whilst doing a handstand in the shower  ;D .
Cut the newspaper up into squares and hang them on a nail.
Worked well in the 1950's.
Then we had Izal. Shiny on one side which slipped straight off yeah bum.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 13, 2020, 05:57:19 PM
Cut the newspaper up into squares and hang them on a nail.
Worked well in the 1950's.
Then we had Izal. Shiny on one side which slipped straight off yeah bum.
Izal the toilet paper equivalent of a wartburg
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2020, 06:03:17 PM
You don't think that the loo roll hoarders are mixing up Norovirus with Coronavirus do you?

Easily done as it has a "virus" in the name  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 06:06:54 PM
Cut the newspaper up into squares and hang them on a nail.
Worked well in the 1950's.
Then we had Izal. Shiny on one side which slipped straight off yeah bum.

Newspaper ink isn't what it was back in the day. Although it's better than going smelly your bum would end up just as dirty with print smudging all over the place. Dread to think what the ink would do to your insides these days if your finger slipped up your ring as well  :o . As for Izal I'd rather use my hand. That stuff used to come sharp and it spread things further than a plasterers trowel. Horrible creation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 13, 2020, 06:49:36 PM
Getting back on track.
The football stadiums etc. are closed because we all get together, and can catch the virus, so keep apart to beat the virus.
Herd immunity says that to beat the virus, we have to "herd" together.
Conflicting statements.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2020, 08:18:24 PM
Getting back on track.
The football stadiums etc. are closed because we all get together, and can catch the virus, so keep apart to beat the virus.
Herd immunity says that to beat the virus, we have to "herd" together.
Conflicting statements.

Closing schools is counter productive as doctors and nurses have children that would need attending to. And if they and others in crucial jobs have to work, then it falls to grandparents to look after the children, the two age groups you really want to keep apart.

Herding might reduce how long the virus is in our population, to do otherwise could extend it even further and put greater pressure on the NHS.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 14, 2020, 03:11:25 AM
Getting back on track.
The football stadiums etc. are closed because we all get together, and can catch the virus, so keep apart to beat the virus.
Herd immunity says that to beat the virus, we have to "herd" together.
Conflicting statements.


I imagine you're thinking of a herd of, say, cattle for this analogy. ;D

The idea of herd immunity's action is that once a sufficient majority of a given population has been seroconverted by a particular virus (and have successfully recovered), those left who are still unaffected and potentially vulnerable are at a much lower average risk of contracting said virus. This is because you cannot infectiously spread a pathogen through an immune population, so it becomes increasingly difficult for it to, by chance, find a route to a potential infectee.

This relies on the particular virus not mutating quickly in ways which encourage reinfections. :-X. Admittedly, this is a fairly safe general assumption.

I imagine this is the scheme our government is trying to induce as quickly as is practically acceptable... Simply put:
 - Trying to find the balance between only enough people becoming critically ill as you can deal with, but not stopping is spread such that it takes forever to work its way through the population.



At the moment, we're not reaching capacity yet. So the government hadn't determined to decline spread by discouraging public groups; the football clubs and authorities themselves are the ones who've decided to cease - for instance the National League decided they would let games continue this weekend. The government hadn't suggested it yet. They're probably keen to increase the spread to the point of capacity and try to manage the situation from there... it's a very risky (and politically dangerous) route to take, but if managed right it could be the quickest route out without "really bad" outcomes (morally, of course I have reservations***).

One of the interesting political decisions is about school closures. It could be that, now we're very certain the young are no worser affected than would be usual for a mild virus, to use them as a means of infectious spread to help reach a 'balanced' infection rate vs critical case rate geographically, after which would then close schools and by this time, many people will be working/staying at home. This plan would sound absolutely horrific to the average man, however, and should be something that's never admitted to.



*** It's worth saying, even a potential best case scenario isn't the nicest thing to read... Let's say a simple 60% infection of the total population would be adequate for a successful herd immunity situation (who knows what it may ultimately be), and a lower-than-seen-anywhere 0.6% mortality rate (just a bit under the best-testing South Korea) for the infection:

60% of UK Population:  39.6 Million infected
0.6% Mortality:  237,600 dead
Average UK annual flu deaths:  ~17,000

They're just loose speculation of course, involving wild assumptions about infectiousness, seasonality and uniqueness, but hopefully it doesn't take much thought to see that only small tweaks and failures are required to make it potentially much, much worse. For now, I suppose everyone will keep their eye on Italy as the most 'progressed' case area.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 14, 2020, 07:41:42 AM
I'd add to that if the roughly 40m infected, 10% are critical and will need intensive care, breathing machines etc for a couple of weeks.  That's 4 million people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 14, 2020, 08:05:21 AM
This virus spreads mostly through the air. Most folks who get it won't be very sick, but a very large percentage will. 3% death rate is staggering. That's 3 people out of 100. Flu is 1 in 1000.

So it's not so much about 'most people', it's about the deadliness of the virus for elderly, diabetics, heavy smokers, asthma/lung patients, cancer patients and so on. If 'most people' don't take care they will infect the vulnerable for whom the risk is FAR greater.

Except the 3% figure is using confirmed cases the likelihood is 10,000 will have had it so the true figure is likely to be just under 1%
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 14, 2020, 08:08:18 AM
I'd add to that if the roughly 40m infected, 10% are critical and will need intensive care, breathing machines etc for a couple of weeks.  That's 4 million people.

Except the figure is too basic as it all depends on the population of our over 60s, 70,s etc .... this is however the issue regarding this illness is their isn’t enough critical beds equipment hence why the government is trying to ensure people catching the virus is spread out, unfortunately our press have a lot to answer for with their coverage
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 09:09:39 AM
Several papers reporting this morning that British scientists are on brink of finding Coronavirus vaccine

Pray to your god this is true

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/14/british-scientists-brink-finding-coronavirus-vaccine-12396552/

Source: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-covid19-vaccine-testing-a4387271.html

Source: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1255083/uk-coronavirus-british-scientists-vaccine-coronavirus-cure-latest


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 14, 2020, 09:17:10 AM
Something that I hadn't even thought about.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51879952

Jails and the prisoners, prison officers and visitors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 14, 2020, 09:19:28 AM
Several papers reporting this morning that British scientists are on brink of finding Coronavirus vaccine

Pray to your god this is true

Source: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/14/british-scientists-brink-finding-coronavirus-vaccine-12396552/

Source: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-covid19-vaccine-testing-a4387271.html

Source: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1255083/uk-coronavirus-british-scientists-vaccine-coronavirus-cure-latest

Could be millions dead before June
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 14, 2020, 09:21:50 AM
Admittedly, this is a fairly safe general assumption.


As a supplementary, this from the British Society for Immunology and my old stomping ground yesterday:

https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-response-herd-immunity-and-sars-cov-2
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
Could be millions dead before June

It sounds like you're suggesting it's a waste of time try to find a vaccine
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 14, 2020, 09:26:36 AM
Several papers reporting this morning that British scientists are on brink of finding Coronavirus vaccine


"However it would probably be a year before it was available for patients" - Evening Standard

"They have called for more funding and said a vaccine could be available next year." - Metro
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 14, 2020, 09:59:15 AM

As a supplementary, this from the British Society for Immunology and my old stomping ground yesterday:

https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-response-herd-immunity-and-sars-cov-2

So in short the British Society for Immunology currently knows the square root of f all in relation to how the current strain of the virus will pan out. Fair enough, so do the rest of us ;D .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 14, 2020, 12:24:25 PM
People: the government should shut the schools, and ban mass congregation to protect us

Also people: panic buying food (which they don't need to do) and spending hours in supermarkets in close quarters  - except high spikes in 2 weeks because of this mass congregation.

The government nudge unit was right people are making things worse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 12:37:31 PM
People: the government should shut the schools, and ban mass congregation to protect us

Also people: panic buying food (which they don't need to do) and spending hours in supermarkets in close quarters  - except high spikes in 2 weeks because of this mass congregation.

The government nudge unit was right people are making things worse.

Personally, I feel the MSM are partly responsible for the way many people are panicking by the messages they are promoting
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 12:39:34 PM
I don't remember there being this much hysteria around SwineFlu.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 14, 2020, 02:39:13 PM
My holiday to Gran Canaria has been cancelled.  :(
Was supposed to fly out on the 26th.

Shall have to wait and see what Jet2 about it.
Return money or offer another holiday later?
£ 1750 isn't money to be sneezed at. (No I haven't got the virus. lol)

On a lighter note.
I used to drink Corona. I didn't know that you could get a virus from it. ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 14, 2020, 03:09:50 PM
I’m certainly no expert, but the suggestions are that it’s not passed on just by being close to people (football stadia) but that infection occurs through the droplets (spit,nose dribble, eyes )
If this is the case....wouldn’t pubs and coffee shops be the obvious places to shutdown?

In Italy 5hey have closed most shops but not bars/restaurants, which seems a bit foolish .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 14, 2020, 03:11:42 PM
I don't remember there being this much hysteria around SwineFlu.

No but the Social Media hysteria hype train was not as bad then.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 03:16:13 PM
No but the Social Media hysteria hype train was not as bad then.

I totally agree. Media and Social Media have got us all thinking this is the apocalypse. I feel very bad for those who get it but this happens every 10 years or so and always has done.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adamw1109 on March 14, 2020, 03:25:00 PM
I don't remember there being this much hysteria around SwineFlu.

The swineflu was estitmated at a 0.02% mortality rate, Coronavirus has an estimated 2.4% mortality rate. (apparently)

The outcome of coronavirus compared to others people mention is far more severe, which is what people are failing to acknowledge.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 14, 2020, 04:10:42 PM
21 dead now

Be over 100 by time the week finishes
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 04:21:15 PM
UK   Total Cases 1,140   New Cases Today +342   Total Deaths 21   Total Deaths Today +10
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 14, 2020, 04:22:13 PM
The swineflu was estitmated at a 0.02% mortality rate, Coronavirus has an estimated 2.4% mortality rate. (apparently)

The outcome of coronavirus compared to others people mention is far more severe, which is what people are failing to acknowledge.

The official rate which compares to confirmed cases is 3% (Italy is at 6%) however we know there are thousands of people (best guess last week was 10,000) which are not included within the figures so the real mortality rate is less than 1%
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 14, 2020, 04:22:39 PM
I totally agree. Media and Social Media have got us all thinking this is the apocalypse. I feel very bad for those who get it but this happens every 10 years or so and always has done.
I think it is quite sick that many media websites have little "scoreboards" on their articles with numbers of diagnosed and dead, like it's some video game
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 14, 2020, 04:29:51 PM
Yeah i thought that too. They don't give a toss though, whatever sells in their eyes i suppose.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 14, 2020, 08:30:42 PM
People over 70 will be instructed by the government to stay in strict isolation at home or in care homes for four months, under a "wartime-style" mobilisation effort by the government likely to be enforced within the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/elderly-to-be-quarantined-for-four-months-in-wartime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adamw1109 on March 14, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
The official rate which compares to confirmed cases is 3% (Italy is at 6%) however we know there are thousands of people (best guess last week was 10,000) which are not included within the figures so the real mortality rate is less than 1%

Either way, the amount of deaths in the UK has doubled in 24 hours... so people shouldn't panic no?

The world is coming to a stop and people want to take it lightly.  :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 14, 2020, 10:53:03 PM
People over 70 will be instructed by the government to stay in strict isolation at home or in care homes for four months, under a "wartime-style" mobilisation effort by the government likely to be enforced within the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/elderly-to-be-quarantined-for-four-months-in-wartime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/
Ooer.
I am over 70, I have underlying heart problems.
Should I just rely on home deliveries?
I've just lost a holiday in Gran Canaria, too
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 14, 2020, 10:54:23 PM
Why are NHS health care assistants  coming off duty and and going into a pub and passing 3 bottles of hand sanitizer gel to the Landlord for a free drink.  :o >:(  BTW for his own personnel use not the customers in the pub.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 14, 2020, 11:06:36 PM
I am now starting to believe this is going to be a very long drawn out problem that will probably last all this year. I've had holidays cancelled for 6th Nov and 3rd Jan 2021. Worrying times when faced with the unknown.
Stay safe my friends.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 15, 2020, 01:39:30 AM
Basically the policy is "this kills old uns, so frighten the deal out of them so they stay at home, keep the kids and under 60's building up the herd immunity, pray this limits the strain on the NHS as the old uns won't get it on masse, jobs a good un !

Brave and foolhardy at the same time IMO
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 15, 2020, 07:45:30 AM
I don't remember there being this much hysteria around Swine Flu.

The H1N1 influenza A strain hitting in 2009 did cause headlines for some time, here are some absolutely trash examples:
1 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199147/NHS-helplines-swamped-swine-flu-panic-rises-Health-Secretary-calls-calm.html), 2 (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/swine-flu/5347534/Swine-flu-forces-closure-of-4000-schools-in-Japan.html), 3 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189256/Eton-College-forced-close-pupil-diagnosed-swine-flu.html), 4 (https://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/11/swine.flu.who/), 5 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-1189142/Passengers-trapped-swine-flu-cruise-ship-Australia-second-outbreak.html), 6 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201701/Swine-flu-epidemic-160-Britons-held-quarantine-abroad-children-super-spreaders-virus.html), 7 (https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=114093727)

Indeed, it spread far and wide like influenza 'A' does, infecting 0.7-1.4 billion across the world.
However, it only had an estimated mortality rate of 0.026% (or, if you prefer, 26 per 100,000) (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2791802/)

This one today is suspected to be towards 1%, or potentially worse.

So I guess it's up to you if you don't think this is roughly 38 times worse or merits a response 38 times greater? :-X




Furthermore, an interesting anecdotal account in Italy: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120292050/italy-may-abandon-over80s--and-sick-to-their-fate-as-crisis-grows
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 08:48:31 AM
The video in the link below, simply and graphically, explains the theory behind the governments strategy in combating Covid-19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 09:56:03 AM
So..

Over 70s to stay at home for 4 months!
Not enough machines to keep people Alive, we have 5k of them
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 15, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
So..

Over 70s to stay at home for 4 months!

Not enough machines to keep people Alive, we have 5k of them
I like to dabble in my garden.
Where do I go to get get my tomatoe and vegetable plants, if I can't be allowed out?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 15, 2020, 10:22:50 AM
Small but powerful little video:

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1238868163208634371
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 10:23:33 AM
I like to dabble in my garden.
Where do I go to get get my tomatoe and vegetable plants, if I can't be allowed out?

Phone a friend  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 15, 2020, 12:01:23 PM
So..

Over 70s to stay at home for 4 months!
Not enough machines to keep people Alive, we have 5k of them

Government are asking Rolls Royce and JCB to suspend production and focus solely on producing ventilators
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 15, 2020, 12:20:36 PM
I like to dabble in my garden.
Where do I go to get get my tomatoe and vegetable plants, if I can't be allowed out?
I just snuck out and went to a garden centre to get the said tomatoes.
Obviously I wasn't the only one doing it.
It was manic.
I shall keep them in the conservatory untill April/May.
The taste compared to supermarket tomatoes is so much better.
They aren't cost effective to grow yourself, but for the taste alone it is well worth the extra time, trouble and money.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 12:27:36 PM
Government are asking Rolls Royce and JCB to suspend production and focus solely on producing ventilators

On the Andrew Marr Show earlier today, Matt Hancock, Secretary of State for Health and Social Care asked for any engineering manufacturing company to get involved in producing ventilators and he also stated that car manufactures were also offering assistance in this as you say. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 15, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
Why dont the TV stations just put up the government latest rules on what to do so the people are informed,you know like a 2/3 minute reminder with deaf graphics etc evey 3/4 hours
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 15, 2020, 01:47:35 PM
I just snuck out and went to a garden centre to get the said tomatoes.
Obviously I wasn't the only one doing it.
It was manic.
I shall keep them in the conservatory untill April/May.
The taste compared to supermarket tomatoes is so much better.
They aren't cost effective to grow yourself, but for the taste alone it is well worth the extra time, trouble and money.
They could be worth more than your house by then
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 15, 2020, 02:19:01 PM
There are 2 cases in Worcestershire, out of a local population of 592,057
Figures last updated 09:00 GMT, 15 March

You watch that figure shoot up in the next few days,
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 02:48:58 PM
There are 2 cases in Worcestershire, out of a local population of 592,057
Figures last updated 09:00 GMT, 15 March

You watch that figure shoot up in the next few days,

The PM and the Chief Medical Officer have already stated that the published estimated figures on people infected and deaths should be multiplied by at least 10, but more likely 20 because of unrecognised community spread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
35 dead

1372 infected
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 15, 2020, 04:21:36 PM
The sad truth with this is anything below 10000 deaths will be a success but this seems to only kill over 60s and people with current health problems. Not great but the mass panic shopping, the media hysteria is criminal. Today I believe Nadine Dorries mother who is 84 has recovered from this but guess what the media hasn’t reported it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 15, 2020, 04:26:49 PM
35 dead

1372 infected
These are the figures they keep telling us but what about the numbers of the people who have recovered? If there are 1372 cases now some of those would have been among the first reported surely a large amount will have now recovered but they are not telling us that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 04:27:20 PM
The sad truth with this is anything below 10000 deaths will be a success but this seems to only kill over 60s and people with current health problems. Not great but the mass panic shopping, the media hysteria is criminal. Today I believe Nadine Dorries mother who is 84 has recovered from this but guess what the media hasn’t reported it.

People in Italy and Spain pegging it are mixed ages, some young and middle aged.

Still more to come from the U.K. Governments are speaking Tuesday ??? Lockdown from then
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 04:39:34 PM
These are the figures they keep telling us but what about the numbers of the people who have recovered? If there are 1372 cases now some of those would have been among the first reported surely a large amount will have now recovered but they are not telling us that.

Based on the figures from Foster#1, there 18 that have recovered. The figures are out there if you look for them.

I posted the link below earlier in this thread

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 15, 2020, 04:42:28 PM
Based on the figures from Foster#1, there 18 that have recovered. The figures are out there if you look for them.

I posted the link below earlier in this thread

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 04:46:19 PM
Thanks for that.

You might also be interested in the following two links as well, that I posted earlier  :)

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-11/coronavirus-where-you-live-check-the-number-of-cases-in-your-area-with-our-interactive-map/

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1MgArzTUtOwP_PmN5jOS6FytbMGiSOUmiPcbJ2t7e7_VN5dxPLXtOJs_Q#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 04:52:22 PM
Below is a link to a 25 minute video presented by Dr John Campbell, Lecturer, Department for Health Centre for Biosensors, Bioelectronics and Biodevices, that I found informative and instructive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTFk34nhoI

I would add that most of today, I’ve seen, read and heard references to terms such as “war time measures”, “war time style”, “war footing” etc. to describe our current situation.

Anyone who doesn’t acknowledge the threat, impact and consequences of this virus and its effects on all walks and aspects of our lives and who underestimate and understate the seriousness of how bad this virus is, is either naive, in denial or both.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 05:02:12 PM
For those on twitter if you aren’t t already following directly Professor Chris Witty, Chief Medical Officer (@CMO_England) and Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Technical Adviser (@uksciencechief), I suggest it would be a smart thing to do, as there is a lot of fake and misleading news being pumped out from some MSM outlets
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 05:07:06 PM
For those on twitter if you aren’t t already following directly Professor Chris Witty, Chief Medical Officer (@CMO_England) and Sir Patrick Vallance, Chief Technical Adviser (@uksciencechief), I suggest it would be a smart thing to do, as there is a lot of fake and misleading news being pumped out from some MSM outlets

Feel free to explain a few things for the people who aren't on twitter
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 15, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
400 more deaths reported in Italy in the last 24 hours.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 05:23:40 PM
Feel free to explain a few things for the people who aren't on twitter

I've already posted lots of to interactive maps and instructive and informative videos on this thread and the other thread on Coronavirus.

They are all easy to find if you are prepared to look and use reliable sources.

As I come across other reliable information that I feel is useful, I will post it for you if you think it is of assistance to you

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 05:27:45 PM
Another HUGE increase in CoronaVirus infections in Italy

3 590 infected and 368 dead today alone.

- 24 747 infected.
- 1 809 dead.
- 7.3% death rate.

Worrying times
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 05:39:08 PM
In a paper titled “ Temperature and Latitude Analysis to Predict Potential Spread and Seasonality for COVID-19” , the researchers found that all cities that have experienced significant outbreaks of COVID-19 have :

1. Similar winter climates with an average temperature of 41 to 52 degrees Fahrenheit (5 to 11.11 degree celsius)

2. An average humidity level of 47 to 79 percent with a narrow east-west distribution along the same 30-50 N latitude.

Wuhan in China, South Korea, Japan, Iran, Northern Italy, Seattle, and Northern California have similar weather and humidity patterns.

Source: https://swarajyamag.com/insta/umsom-virologists-use-weather-modeling-data-to-predict-potential-spread-and-seasonality-for-covid-19

So, Climate change might yet save us!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 05:55:00 PM
Coronavirus: Five ways hospitals will change to tackle the pandemic

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51898207
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 15, 2020, 06:07:17 PM
Another HUGE increase in CoronaVirus infections in Italy

3 590 infected and 368 dead today alone.

- 24 747 infected.
- 1 809 dead.
- 7.3% death rate.

Worrying times

Both figures are following a trend of increasing around 33% per day.

We need to quarantine the over 70's and build immunity in the rest of the population as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 15, 2020, 06:36:53 PM
People in Italy and Spain pegging it are mixed ages, some young and middle aged.

Still more to come from the U.K. Governments are speaking Tuesday ??? Lockdown from then

That’s not true though is it. Italy death rate 40-49 0.3%, 50-59 0.8%, 60-69 10.4%, 70-79 31.9% and over 80 56.6%. Two thirds had pre existing chronic conditions the three most common hypertension, ischemic heart disease and diabetes. What they have found is people under the age of 30 are a significant proportion of infected cases which they believe are helping spread the virus. These figures are from the Italian Institute Superiore di sanita dated 13th March.

So why spread these false claims and help the panic reaction we are getting?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 15, 2020, 07:14:24 PM
Both figures are following a trend of increasing around 33% per day.

We need to quarantine the over 70's and build immunity in the rest of the population as soon as possible.


Given my age I am a bit sensitive to comments like that, and I have already quarantined myself without any prompting from you or the Government. You don't say how you would propose to build immunity in the rest  of the population, unless you are suggesting that it will just happen automatically when we are safely shut away.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 15, 2020, 07:28:19 PM

Given my age I am a bit sensitive to comments like that, and I have already quarantined myself without any prompting from you or the Government. You don't say how you would propose to build immunity in the rest  of the population, unless you are suggesting that it will just happen automatically when we are safely shut away.

By going about our day and deliberately exposing ourselves to infections and helping the over 70's where we can. This is a highly infections disease and seems to affect the elderly much worse. 2 of my elderly neighbours have my number and a friend in his 40's is also self-isolating at this time as he takes Imuno-supresents in his fight against ME. We are very much in a marathon not a sprint in beating this thing.

This disease is not going to go away until a vaccine is hopefully developed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 15, 2020, 07:39:26 PM
I'm currently in Miami, trying to get a flight home after all cruises were cancelled, we came into Miami, no screening, my flight out is later tonight, touch wood, should be okay.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 15, 2020, 07:46:03 PM
Bizarrely Sandwell council have suspended all debt related court action following the corona virus outbreak

http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/news/article/5573/council_suspends_debt-related_court_action_during_coronavirus_pandemic
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 15, 2020, 08:01:28 PM
Bizarrely Sandwell council have suspended all debt related court action following the corona virus outbreak

http://www.sandwell.gov.uk/news/article/5573/council_suspends_debt-related_court_action_during_coronavirus_pandemic

I wonder if the Council are considering the financial impact on those that they are taking to court if they fall ill with the virus and only then receive statutory sick pay and have to repay a debt from that, which would further financial disadvantage them at a critical time. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 15, 2020, 08:33:03 PM

Given my age I am a bit sensitive to comments like that.......

.... never mind at least you were there in '68, I was only four months old ;) .

Joking aside, take care fella  8) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 15, 2020, 08:40:15 PM

Given my age I am a bit sensitive to comments like that, and I have already quarantined myself without any prompting from you or the Government. You don't say how you would propose to build immunity in the rest  of the population, unless you are suggesting that it will just happen automatically when we are safely shut away.
please don’t be
It’s an extremely challenging time, I don’t think anyone is deliberately trying to hack anybody off....but people are trying to think of what is best and even then it doesn’t sit easy with all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 15, 2020, 09:13:05 PM
Being in the "at risk" group, I feel that self isolation could well be a good thing.
Everyone else becomes "herd immune" so therefore won't pass the virus on, and things should return to normal, and us old farts will come out unscathed.
We old farts, will miss most of the risk anyway.
Being an old fart, has its advantages with no work pressures etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 15, 2020, 10:24:47 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8114925/Britains-coronavirus-crisis-Spring-2021-7-9million-people-hospitalised.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 15, 2020, 11:45:50 PM
I wonder if the Council are considering the financial impact on those that they are taking to court if they fall ill with the virus and only then receive statutory sick pay and have to repay a debt from that, which would further financial disadvantage them at a critical time. Just a thought.

Those currently in court for either possession or liability are there for a reason and it’s nowt to do with corona virus.

Council giving residents an excuse for not making rent/council tax payments but then happy to increase my bill at the end of each year !!

Those struggling to pay should either claim CTR or UC
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 15, 2020, 11:54:44 PM
Those currently in court for either possession or liability are there for a reason and it’s nowt to do with corona virus.

Council giving residents an excuse for not making rent/council tax payments but then happy to increase my bill at the end of each year !!

Those struggling to pay should either claim CTR or UC


You've been too long in the Civil Service, far too cynical ;)


As to the virus it's obviously a huge issue, if we were in "wartime" this generation wouldn't last 5 minutes. Imagine if the govt introduced actual rationing...


I back the science on this one. What Italy have done hasn't worked, what China did, didn't work. They'll inevitably get a 2nd spike once things go back to normal.


We are attempting to flatten the curve, and with our NHS capacity you can surely see why. The danger of this virus was always going to be its capacity to overwhelm the healthcare system,  not its actual mortality rate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: HamsteadHarry on March 15, 2020, 11:59:42 PM
Maybe the "reason" is a genuine inability to meet debts through unemployment,  mental health or issues with UC? Given the anticipated impact of Coronavirus on employers, the court system and the public sector generally, it seems a sensible and compassionate decision by our Council. They are not saying that they are ceasing action, just suspending it until calmer times.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 16, 2020, 12:40:40 AM
.... never mind at least you were there in '68, I was only four months old ;) .

Joking aside, take care fella  8) .
Cheers young un ! You and yours too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 16, 2020, 07:07:01 AM
People over 70 will be instructed by the government to stay in strict isolation at home or in care homes for four months, under a "wartime-style" mobilisation effort by the government likely to be enforced within the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.itv.com/news/2020-03-14/elderly-to-be-quarantined-for-four-months-in-wartime-style-mobilisation-to-combat-coronavirus/

Have the Rolling Stones got any gigs coming up?  ???
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 12:06:36 PM
It’s a national effort to win coronavirus fight, we all have crucial part to play

Article by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance.

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/its-a-national-effort-to-win-coronavirus-fight-we-all-have-crucial-part-to-play
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 01:28:11 PM
Message from Matt Hancock, Secretary of State for Health & Social Care

"Calling all manufacturers who can support our National Effort for #coronavirus ventilator production - to help, contact Government Business Support team: 0300 456 3565 / ventilator.support@beis.gov.uk

If you have your own manufacturing business, know someone that does or if you work in manufacturing and can help in anyway, then please do so
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 16, 2020, 01:29:24 PM
Those currently in court for either possession or liability are there for a reason and it’s nowt to do with corona virus.

Council giving residents an excuse for not making rent/council tax payments but then happy to increase my bill at the end of each year !!

Those struggling to pay should either claim CTR or UC

I'm self employed, work from home and not entitled to either of those so where do I stand if my income drops ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 01:59:00 PM
What is coronavirus? Here's what you need to know in 60 seconds

https://twitter.com/i/status/1239533876457832449

Find out more: http://bbc.in/Coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 16, 2020, 02:16:07 PM
France asking everyone over there to stay in for 5 weeks
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 16, 2020, 02:23:16 PM
I'm self employed, work from home and not entitled to either of those so where do I stand if my income drops ?

Why don't you qualify at present?

Assuming your income should drop as a result of the corona virus then you are entitled to claim UC and for the period in which you are affected will not be subject to an assumed income/minimum income floor..

Alternatively, if not already, https://www.entitledto.co.uk/ is available to individuals
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 16, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
I know someone who has just resigned for a new job and and can't start yet.

Can he stil claim uc?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 16, 2020, 02:38:46 PM
Why don't you qualify at present?

Assuming your income should drop as a result of the corona virus then you are entitled to claim UC and for the period in which you are affected will not be subject to an assumed income/minimum income floor..

Alternatively, if not already, https://www.entitledto.co.uk/ is available to individuals

Not entitled to either of them, only thing we're entitled to is working tax credit which is due to my wife being unable to work due to illness
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 02:47:06 PM
Viewing the current users online on at westbrom.com, 204 in total, it appears that a lot of people have started working from home or are self isolating, I'm in the latter category  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 16, 2020, 02:50:13 PM
Viewing the current users online on at westbrom.com, 204 in total, it appears that a lot of people have started working from home or are self isolating, I'm in the latter category  ;)

I'm currently working from Starbucks as I have for the last 3 weeks praying that Sky do not cancel their appointment to sort my internet out at home tomorrow  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2020, 03:12:05 PM

You've been too long in the Civil Service, far too cynical ;)


As to the virus it's obviously a huge issue, if we were in "wartime" this generation wouldn't last 5 minutes. Imagine if the govt introduced actual rationing...


I back the science on this one. What Italy have done hasn't worked, what China did, didn't work. They'll inevitably get a 2nd spike once things go back to normal.


We are attempting to flatten the curve, and with our NHS capacity you can surely see why. The danger of this virus was always going to be its capacity to overwhelm the healthcare system,  not its actual mortality rate.

100% on the money, you cannot pour a gallon of ill people into a 1pint NHS, better to slow the rate of infection and deal with it over the longer term.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 16, 2020, 03:32:20 PM
If that's the case shouldn't we be doing what we can to flatten the curve?  Such as asking people to work from home, restricting large gatherings, etc.  All the stuff that we are *not* doing?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 16, 2020, 03:40:23 PM
I think as the mortality rate is low outside the under 70s they want it to pass round us at a steady rate so the NHS can cope while the most vulnerable are asked to remain inside for a period of time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 16, 2020, 03:45:34 PM
This apparently is the UK strategy for those unclear.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2020, 04:08:07 PM
If that's the case shouldn't we be doing what we can to flatten the curve?  Such as asking people to work from home, restricting large gatherings, etc.  All the stuff that we are *not* doing?

We are doing it without government mandating it,
I'm working from home as is the whole of my corporation !
Large gatherings = sporting events have stopped, I doubt if many large gigs are going ahead, Cinemas are empty, High streets have tumble weed ....

Supermarkets, you may have an argument there, sadly !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 16, 2020, 04:13:00 PM
If that's the case shouldn't we be doing what we can to flatten the curve?  Such as asking people to work from home, restricting large gatherings, etc.  All the stuff that we are *not* doing?

We are doing those things, but off our own back not been mandated by the government. I plan on going into the office two days this week but that will be the only days out of 10 I would of gone in.  The problem at the moment are the idiots panic buying which are going to trigger a massive increase in infection rates.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 16, 2020, 04:36:32 PM
I went shopping today at Asda Oldbury and people were behaving in a reasonable fashion. It was busy but not chaotic. Yes i got a single loaf of bread.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 16, 2020, 04:48:54 PM
Viewing the current users online on at westbrom.com, 204 in total, it appears that a lot of people have started working from home or are self isolating, I'm in the latter category  ;)
Work is incredibly quiet so have time to come on for a change.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 05:19:44 PM
PM, CMO and CSA Covid-19 briefing

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51903319

Summary
UK PM Johnson: Everyone should now avoid social contact with others
Johnson: Virus "a few weeks ahead" in London compared with rest of UK
Coronavirus infections outside China pass 87,000; case numbers in China stand at 80,860
Germany closes the border it shares with five other countries
French President Emmanuel Macron to give televised address to nation
Stock markets plunge despite action from central banks
WHO director urges governments to test all suspected virus cases, not just serious ones
US authorities advise against gatherings of more than 50 people and Supreme Court shuts
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 16, 2020, 06:01:00 PM
I just popped into Tesco to buy some chicken as i fancied that for tea, oh no, no fresh meat. Freezers empty in places, no bread and lots of other empty sections. Madness. I'm just carrying on as normal but I'm missing out. Oh yeah - next to no loo roll!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 16, 2020, 06:02:57 PM
I just popped into Tesco to buy some chicken as i fancied that for tea, oh no, no fresh meat. Freezers empty in places, no bread and lots of other empty sections. Madness. I'm just carrying on as normal but I'm missing out. Oh yeah - next to no loo roll!
Yes, today’s product was the fresh meat esp the chicken....however, I have purchased loo rolls and trucks are all rolling tonight tomorrow with extra restocks
It’ll be fine .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 06:05:48 PM
I just popped into Tesco to buy some chicken as i fancied that for tea, oh no, no fresh meat. Freezers empty in places, no bread and lots of other empty sections. Madness. I'm just carrying on as normal but I'm missing out. Oh yeah - next to no loo roll!

You are doing the right thing imo, albeit you might feel differently when you have had such an experience, but if there aren't people like you, society would break down. Thank you from the more sensible ones amongst us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 06:11:06 PM
Having watched the PM, the CMO and the CSA's briefing, regardless of party political allegiances, I for one trust them and their judgements in combating this virus
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 16, 2020, 06:37:43 PM
PM, CMO and CSA Covid-19 briefing

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-51903319

Summary
UK PM Johnson: Everyone should now avoid social contact with others
Johnson: Virus "a few weeks ahead" in London compared with rest of UK
Coronavirus infections outside China pass 87,000; case numbers in China stand at 80,860
Germany closes the border it shares with five other countries
French President Emmanuel Macron to give televised address to nation
Stock markets plunge despite action from central banks
WHO director urges governments to test all suspected virus cases, not just serious ones
US authorities advise against gatherings of more than 50 people and Supreme Court shuts

In New York city, los angeles new Orleans and some others all bars pubs nightclubs have been ordered to close for 2 weeks. All restaurants are either ordered to drop capacity to half or only offer takeaway services...  then other places are not doing anything so seems a little silly. All or nothing no half measures but must be hard in a country that size
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 16, 2020, 07:11:20 PM
55 dead
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 07:28:12 PM
World wide figures as at 16 March 2020, 17:20 hours

Coronavirus Cases:
179,991

Deaths:
7,100

Recovered:
78,326
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 07:34:33 PM
UK figures as at 16 March 2020 17:20 hours

Total Cases 1,543   
New Cases +152   
Total Deaths 55   
New Deaths +20   
Total Recovered 52   
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 16, 2020, 07:40:16 PM
Having watched the PM, the CMO and the CSA's briefing, regardless of party political allegiances, I for one trust them and their judgements in combating this virus
thought they were very good esp Chris the CMO , this is a mess, I hate the fact that people are using it for political point scoring..those idiots are only second to the scumbags hoarding gels and loo roll
The low life’s that have popped up selling fake covid-19 testing kits should be shot...zero tolerance .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 16, 2020, 07:42:20 PM
You are doing the right thing imo, albeit you might feel differently when you have had such an experience, but if there aren't people like you, society would break down. Thank you from the more sensible ones amongst us.

Thank you my friend!

I've noticed something else in bad taste...Wowcher selling 300ml of anti-bac gel for £30
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 07:48:49 PM
Now is probably not the right time to get into the blame game, but from current information, China has a lot to answer for, they didn’t advise the wider world community until three weeks after they knew about the Covid-19 outbreak. Russia did similar with Chernobyl.

We, as a nation, are continually asked to make reparations for our forefathers indiscretions. So, should we expect the same from China for all our people who have suffered because of there indiscretions, if it is proven?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 16, 2020, 07:53:31 PM
Thank you my friend!

I've noticed something else in bad taste...Wowcher selling 300ml of anti-bac gel for £30
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https://www.gogroopie.com/deal/t814p51k12/60ml_Instant_Anti_Bacterial_Hand_Sanitiser___1__3_or_5_Bottles_

60ml £4.99 can get up to 5 bottles for £14.99 plus delivery £2.99
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 08:53:32 PM
Coronavirus: US volunteers to test first vaccine

But don’t get your hopes up just yet

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51906604
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 09:55:25 PM
Some Lidel and Iceland stores have specific shopping times for OAP’s only.

Great idea and should be extended to the majors as well
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 16, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Some Lidel and Iceland stores have specific shopping times for OAP’s only.

Great idea and should be extended to the majors as well

What, Lidl selling old folks !!!  can I get a female about 65 please ? I am 60 and fancy an older lady  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 16, 2020, 10:30:10 PM
What, Lidl selling old folks !!!  can I get a female about 65 please ? I am 60 and fancy an older lady  ;)
I have an aquaintance who is a "swinger" in his 70's, who has a "young lady" in her 60s's from Holme Lacy.
Should I give you his contacts?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 16, 2020, 11:27:33 PM
I'm surprised that the" world" has not blamed China for this latest pandemic,I've been saying for a while now why doesn't the world charge China for what damage they've caused?
Reparations I think its called,havnt heard a bad word against them yet.
The world could easily bankrupt China its a disgrace what they've caused for no blame?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 17, 2020, 01:13:07 AM
If it was our doing everyone would be holding their hands out already.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2020, 09:34:25 AM
I have an aquaintance who is a "swinger" in his 70's, who has a "young lady" in her 60s's from Holme Lacy.
Should I give you his contacts?

only if he promises not to hide in the wardrobe in his superman suit (again!)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2020, 09:34:46 AM
Did anyone see the BBC interview with the US Epidemiologist based in Florida,

Now I'm a pretty happy go lucky sort of bloke, but this was pretty damn scary.

She explained about viruses dying back in summer (they don't know why) but our summer is Southern hemispheres winter and hence the south will be hit hardest June / July time, now heres the kicker, Flu season in the North starts November and if Covid19 follows the typical Corona virus "pattern" it will kick in stronger and for longer in year 2 !

Hence we need to get through this spring and get an anti-viral before November which is highly improbable, and hope it doesn't mutate again,  BTW, The Northern hemisphere has @90% of the worlds population.

If this lady is anywhere near right, we could be in for around 12 months disruption, that could be extremely damaging to "society", including football / WBA / us
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on March 17, 2020, 09:37:54 AM
Imagine the outcry if it were eventually to be revealed that this virus originated in a Chinese laboratory. It is, of course, an enormous coincidence that China’s only top security biological research and weapons facility is in Wuhan, where the virus first manifested itself. A ruthless communist country hellbent on global domination releases a virus to cripple the Western economies? Impossible, of course, just the stuff of conspiracy theories!

Not implausible, though!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 17, 2020, 09:45:26 AM
Imagine the outcry if it were eventually to be revealed that this virus originated in a Chinese laboratory. It is, of course, an enormous coincidence that China’s only top security biological research and weapons facility is in Wuhan, where the virus first manifested itself. A ruthless communist country hellbent on global domination releases a virus to cripple the Western economies? Impossible, of course, just the stuff of conspiracy theories!

Not implausible, though!

Have you seen a TV show called Utopia?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 17, 2020, 09:53:56 AM
What a mess
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 10:02:56 AM
Imagine the outcry if it were eventually to be revealed that this virus originated in a Chinese laboratory. It is, of course, an enormous coincidence that China’s only top security biological research and weapons facility is in Wuhan, where the virus first manifested itself. A ruthless communist country hellbent on global domination releases a virus to cripple the Western economies? Impossible, of course, just the stuff of conspiracy theories!

Not implausible, though!

It's not a weapon facility, etc.  It was built to study the effects of SARS which originated in the same area.  External scientists around the world have studied the virus and have overwhelmingly rejected the idea it's manmade, it originated in wildlife.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30418-9/fulltext)

Also, it would be a **** weapon to drop it on yourself first.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 17, 2020, 10:09:53 AM
Imagine the outcry if it were eventually to be revealed that this virus originated in a Chinese laboratory. It is, of course, an enormous coincidence that China’s only top security biological research and weapons facility is in Wuhan, where the virus first manifested itself. A ruthless communist country hellbent on global domination releases a virus to cripple the Western economies? Impossible, of course, just the stuff of conspiracy theories!

Not implausible, though!

The number of people who do think this actually happened is growing.  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 10:19:41 AM
[/b]

https://www.gogroopie.com/deal/t814p51k12/60ml_Instant_Anti_Bacterial_Hand_Sanitiser___1__3_or_5_Bottles_

60ml £4.99 can get up to 5 bottles for £14.99 plus delivery £2.99

Use soap and water, more effective, cheaper.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 17, 2020, 10:22:35 AM
Use soap and water, more effective, cheaper.

Hi John, Have you got back yet?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 10:23:04 AM
The number of people who do think this actually happened is growing.  :o

Conspiracy theorists always thrive at such times, almost all are nonsense and the thoughts of fantasists and flat earthers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 10:29:37 AM
Hi John, Have you got back yet?

Yes, got back yesterday, done a morning raid to Aldi, got toilet rolls and paracetamol. just hope I stay healthy now. ;D
Was due to work for the next 13 days, that work has been cancelled, so I'm £2500 down. :(
Believe me, this country has got it right, Americans were totally oblivious until about 7 days ago due to Trumps  stupidity, suddenly started to wake up to what is going on in the world, I arrived in Florida 10 days ago with no cases, now its spreading fast there.
I was on the last cruise ship back into Miami.
So far, our government have got it spot on.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 11:32:49 AM

So far, our government have got it spot on.

We've been better than America, but I think we didn't get it right at all.  While other countries were closing borders we were telling people to sing happy birthday while washing their hands.  Flattening the curve is a sensible plan but we've not set about to flatten the curve as much as possible, we've accepted that a lot of people will get infected and therefore a lot will die.  Hence suddenly telling people to work from home if they can.  That call should have been made several weeks ago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 17, 2020, 11:57:25 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51906604

Trials started in thge US with a vaccine to combat Coronavirus Covid-19.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 17, 2020, 12:03:45 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51906604

Trials started in thge US with a vaccine to combat Coronavirus Covid-19.

How long before the vaccine becomes available is the main question.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 12:09:59 PM
How long before the vaccine becomes available is the main question.

About 12 months apparently
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 12:12:24 PM
We've been better than America, but I think we didn't get it right at all.  While other countries were closing borders we were telling people to sing happy birthday while washing their hands.  Flattening the curve is a sensible plan but we've not set about to flatten the curve as much as possible, we've accepted that a lot of people will get infected and therefore a lot will die.  Hence suddenly telling people to work from home if they can.  That call should have been made several weeks ago.

I disagree, untill real evidence existed in this country, people would not have self isolated, plus closing down buisness too early would just have been more damage for minimal gain
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2020, 12:30:37 PM
I disagree, untill real evidence existed in this country, people would not have self isolated, plus closing down buisness too early would just have been more damage for minimal gain

Surely you flatten the curve to match the level that the NHS can accommodate, flattening excessively will just prolong the disruption.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
I disagree, untill real evidence existed in this country, people would not have self isolated, plus closing down buisness too early would just have been more damage for minimal gain

Well, we didn't need to close down all business from day 1, nobody is suggesting that.  Let's not forget the government didn't really do anything advice wise until a couple of days ago.  The football was cancelled via a decision amongst themselves.  We've still not banned larger gatherings or shut down any business.  We could have advised people to work from home if they can at any time in the last few weeks.  We've also rejected the advice from the WHO regardin testing and containment.  We're one of the very very few countries to do so.  I fail to see how we can say we have it 'correct'.

We also don't need to see evidence in this country though.  We can see what happened in China and Italy, both of them reacted too late.  Compare that to South Korea and Vietnam who took more stringent measures (without closing down business) and their rates are much more controlled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 12:35:58 PM
Well, we didn't need to close down all business from day 1, nobody is suggesting that.  Let's not forget the government didn't really do anything advice wise until a couple of days ago.  The football was cancelled via a decision amongst themselves.  We've still not banned larger gatherings or shut down any business.  We could have advised people to work from home if they can at any time in the last few weeks.  We've also rejected the advice from the WHO regardin testing and containment.  We're one of the very very few countries to do so.  I fail to see how we can say we have it 'correct'.

We also don't need to see evidence in this country though.  We can see what happened in China and Italy, both of them reacted too late.  Compare that to South Korea and Vietnam who took more stringent measures (without closing down business) and their rates are much more controlled.

I don't know where you have been, but the government have been giving advice for a long while about sensible precautions, social distancing is a new measure to flatten the curve with the aim that we get through this with the minimum deaths.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 12:39:01 PM
Regarding China not closing down buisness, totally wrong again, where the infection was rampant, all buisness closed down, it will flare up in China again once people start moving again.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 12:50:35 PM
I don't know where you have been, but the government have been giving advice for a long while about sensible precautions, social distancing is a new measure to flatten the curve with the aim that we get through this with the minimum deaths.

For weeks the advice was to wash your hands well.  While other countries were restricting incoming fligths, etc.  You've just got to look at a few news articles to see that our approach has been an outlier when it comes to other countries approach to tackling it.

Quote
The U.K.’s approach is different from nearly every other government’s. Rather than move to quickly close down the country, with mass quarantines and social isolation, the U.K. tried to manage the epidemic — controlling the infection rate by gradually increasing or relaxing control measures.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402)
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/why-uk-s-approach-coronavirus-such-risk (https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/why-uk-s-approach-coronavirus-such-risk)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-uk-public-backlash-against-lack-of-restrictions.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-uk-public-backlash-against-lack-of-restrictions.html)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-contract-coronavirus-2020-03-14 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-contract-coronavirus-2020-03-14)

As you can see, the government just gave some general advice, they didn't take an actionable steps until the last few days.  Asking people to wash their hands properly is not action.  I'm all for flattening the curve, but you do so to make it as flat as possible no?  In which case we should have been taking the precautions we are taking *now* several weeks ago.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 12:52:58 PM
If they had taken action too soon, it would have just extended damage to buisness
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 12:54:37 PM
Regarding China not closing down buisness, totally wrong again, where the infection was rampant, all buisness closed down, it will flare up in China again once people start moving again.

I didn't say China didn't close down business. 

The point of their approach is to relieve the pressure on the medical services now, they're flattening their curve as much as possible.  Assuming it flares up again it's further down the line, they'll have plans in place, they'll know what kind of testing needs to be done, they'll know how many ICU beds they'll need, there may be a cure or a vaccine.  The second bump is always lower and hopefully it'll be manageable for them.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 12:55:32 PM
Washing hands and not touching your face, picking you nose, wiping your eyes remains the most important advice you can be given, everything else is because people don't wash their hands enough.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 12:57:12 PM
If they had taken action too soon, it would have just extended damage to buisness

What action do you think they should have taken?  I'm suggesting that the advice, such as, "if you can work from home, do so", could have been given weeks ago?

There's going to be a lot of damage to business now anyway, and what have we saved?  Are our infections lower than other countries?  Death rate lower?  No.  So we're going to end up closing businsses and schools very soon anyway.

If we were concerned about the effect on businesses we'd still be testing them.  I know a child carers who has a bit of a cold, pretty sure it's not the virus, but now they have to stay at home for 14 days putting more pressure on their nursery.  Likewise for people in other jobs that can't be done at home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
For weeks the advice was to wash your hands well.  While other countries were restricting incoming fligths, etc.  You've just got to look at a few news articles to see that our approach has been an outlier when it comes to other countries approach to tackling it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51892402)
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/why-uk-s-approach-coronavirus-such-risk (https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2020/03/why-uk-s-approach-coronavirus-such-risk)
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-uk-public-backlash-against-lack-of-restrictions.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/coronavirus-uk-public-backlash-against-lack-of-restrictions.html)
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-contract-coronavirus-2020-03-14 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-going-to-be-daunting-uk-considers-opposite-approach-to-the-uss-by-allowing-more-people-to-contract-coronavirus-2020-03-14)

As you can see, the government just gave some general advice, they didn't take an actionable steps until the last few days.  Asking people to wash their hands properly is not action.  I'm all for flattening the curve, but you do so to make it as flat as possible no?  In which case we should have been taking the precautions we are taking *now* several weeks ago.

Have you read the newstatesman piece? its a discussion document about differing policies and it does not state that our governement has done nothing. Its a good, well balanced read in fairness.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 01:00:58 PM
Have you read the newstatesman piece? its a discussion document about differing policies and it does not state that our governement has done nothing. Its a good, well balanced read in fairness.

Yeah, like I said, the UK's approach has been different to the majority of the other countries.  That's what it discusses.  It also comes after we changed tack and started issuing more useful advice other than to wash your hands.

Quote
This approach has received widespread criticism, including from professor John Ashton, a former regional director of public health, and from senior figures in the World Health Organisation. These are not voices to be dismissed lightly. And faced with a serious public health threat, it does feel unnerving not to be employing stringent counter-measures. Surely we should be closing schools and universities, limiting travel and public events? (A ban on mass gatherings is expected from next week.) Shouldn’t everyone with a temperature or cough be being tested? That would feel like we were doing something. And in some countries, such as China, South Korea, and Singapore, these kinds of approaches have brought new case numbers down impressively.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 01:04:06 PM
What action do you think they should have taken?  I'm suggesting that the advice, such as, "if you can work from home, do so", could have been given weeks ago?

There's going to be a lot of damage to business now anyway, and what have we saved?  Are our infections lower than other countries?  Death rate lower?  No.  So we're going to end up closing businsses and schools very soon anyway.

If we were concerned about the effect on businesses we'd still be testing them.  I know a child carers who has a bit of a cold, pretty sure it's not the virus, but now they have to stay at home for 14 days putting more pressure on their nursery.  Likewise for people in other jobs that can't be done at home.

If you close down schools, who will look after the kids, the grandparents, the very people we are trying to protect.
Everything the government does has a reaction elsewhere, this is a time for personal responsibility and consideration of others, not finger pointing and political points scoring
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 17, 2020, 01:06:33 PM
I don't think there's any way of coping well with this virus to be honest - it appears to be to minimise the effect that it has.

I welcome the Governments decision to do daily updates and I would hope a new budget is announced today to alleviate the stresses on working families and small businesses.

I have to say though, the narrative that seems to be going round on social media amongst certain quarters which is mainly stating that the Tories are genocidal murderers is nothing short of scandalous.

This is a time where both government and opposition should be coming together and not embarking on cheap politicial point scoring.

The coverage on SKY has been very good - their news break comes with reminders on screen of the Government advice. Compare that to some of the other organisations... BBC quoting a load of university students with no medical backgrounds & Piers ******* Morgan..
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 17, 2020, 01:30:41 PM
what about holding foreign aid for a while to help those that are going to need it in the UK
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 01:49:06 PM
Imagine the EU bill we would have faced! ? :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 17, 2020, 02:03:17 PM
I'm surprised that the" world" has not blamed China for this latest pandemic,I've been saying for a while now why doesn't the world charge China for what damage they've caused?
Reparations I think its called,havnt heard a bad word against them yet.
The world could easily bankrupt China its a disgrace what they've caused for no blame?
This

I’ve seen a load of rubbish hurled in the direction of Boris, so many using a global crisis to make stupid and irrelevant political points (doesn’t matter what side you are on at the moment) and many posts stating that people shouldn’t call it a Chinese disease or associate blame with China
The stuff that goes on in China concerning food and animal welfare is disgusting, it’s no wonder they have put the world in to quarantine.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 17, 2020, 02:21:53 PM
Imagine the EU bill we would have faced! ? :o

They have just slapped a massive fine on Italy for failing to recover state aid.

Imagine that, a country trying to survive a epidemic that has wiped out thousands and the EU find it fitting to drop a fine on them.

Priorities eh?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 02:26:22 PM
If you close down schools, who will look after the kids, the grandparents, the very people we are trying to protect.
Everything the government does has a reaction elsewhere, this is a time for personal responsibility and consideration of others, not finger pointing and political points scoring

I'm not political point scoring, I don't care what colour the party who has taken these decisions wears.  It's just pretty clear, from all the evidence provided, that we have taken (up until now) a desperately different approach to this than the accepted WHO advice and other countries decision makers. 

I disagree that we have done things the correct way. 

Anyway, who has said you close the schools down completely?  You run them on a skeleton basis, you test people and if someone has had the virus and recovered (and there's at least short term immunity), then they can be allowed back in to work.  You need to test people and find out where the virus is, and it isn't. 

Otherwise what's your angle here?  If we shut the schools down next week will you still say that's the wrong thing to do because of the grandparents?  Or will it suddenly be the right thing to do?  If we don't shut the schools down officially but more and more teachers end up having to self isolate, what do we do then?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 17, 2020, 02:31:18 PM
If you close down schools, who will look after the kids, the grandparents, the very people we are trying to protect.
Everything the government does has a reaction elsewhere, this is a time for personal responsibility and consideration of others, not finger pointing and political points scoring

I agree, with about 40% of the NHS with children, do we really want the NHS reduced to a Skelton crew as they all take time off to look after their kids.

My son's school has suspended lessons from tomorrow now due to lack of staff but will take children from NHS and Emergency services.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 17, 2020, 02:32:36 PM
This

I’ve seen a load of rubbish hurled in the direction of Boris, so many using a global crisis to make stupid and irrelevant political points (doesn’t matter what side you are on at the moment) and many posts stating that people shouldn’t call it a Chinese disease or associate blame with China
The stuff that goes on in China concerning food and animal welfare is disgusting, it’s no wonder they have put the world in to quarantine.

as they have 20% of the worlds population, its predictable that some viruses will develop there,
Off the top of my head,
Swine flu - Mexico
MERS - Saudi
Spanish flu - Kansas, USA

there is an interesting graphic here
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 02:39:57 PM
Regarding China not closing down buisness, totally wrong again, where the infection was rampant, all buisness closed down, it will flare up in China again once people start moving again.

You are right in that assertion, and particularly when people start returning to China from other parts of the world. I heard that they are restarting their Basket Ball League, which is big in China and clubs have instructed all contracted players to return and report for training, many of these players are from the USA, who had returned home when the outbreak started.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 17, 2020, 03:06:21 PM
After Macron's recent announcement France are now researching the best way to let a virus know they surrender.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 03:43:21 PM
My son's school has suspended lessons from tomorrow now due to lack of staff but will take children from NHS and Emergency services.

Isn't this what I was on about though? Instead of the option  being "all schools closed", it is possible to close them while still allowing front line workers to work? 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 17, 2020, 03:53:48 PM
Just under 500 new cases here
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 03:54:47 PM
I agree, with about 40% of the NHS with children, do we really want the NHS reduced to a Skelton crew as they all take time off to look after their kids.

My son's school has suspended lessons from tomorrow now due to lack of staff but will take children from NHS and Emergency services.

That is a good move, reducing the number and increasing separation of children in schools is wise
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 03:58:22 PM
They have just slapped a massive fine on Italy for failing to recover state aid.

Imagine that, a country trying to survive a epidemic that has wiped out thousands and the EU find it fitting to drop a fine on them.

Priorities eh?

I think it was a 4.7b Euro fine because they set a budget that exceeded the EU's limit on public spending of 3% of GDP. Additionally, they have to pay 80,000 Euro a day for every day the loan remains unpaid.

The EU have also imposed a ban on all 27 member states exporting medical equipment and supplies to none EU countries. The UK on the other hand are considering helping out some of the poorest countries, where they can.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 17, 2020, 04:06:21 PM
Boris completely wiped out the independent and events sector last night...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on March 17, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
Boris completely wiped out the independent and events sector last night...


Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

The impact of this and the recovery from it will take years and Boris will get the blame from some regardless of how he handles it.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 04:15:57 PM
The number of people who do think this actually happened is growing.  :o

I'm sure that, in time, the actual source will be identified.

But what does trouble me about China's role in all of this, is how they deliberate withheld and delayed advising the rest of the global community of the outbreak.

China had 266 victims who had contracted the virus, the earliest case being recorded on 17th November and in those early weeks they covered it up.

This was valuable time that was denied to the rest of the world, time that would have allowed us to prepare. It undoubtedly, disadvantaged us and, who knows, how many lives may have been spared had they been open, honest and transparent immediately.

The Russians did the same with Chernobyl. Disgraceful international behaviour of the highest order from both countries
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 04:17:49 PM

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

The impact of this and the recovery from it will take years and Boris will get the blame from some regardless of how he handles it.

I agree and I think my strap line sums it up quiet nicely for you
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on March 17, 2020, 04:27:45 PM
I agree and I think my strap line sums it up quiet nicely for you

It does indeed!

Out of interest, would anyone else take Covid-19 now if they could?

Despite one case of someone supposedly catching it twice, who they think had probably just not recovered, the professionals seem fairly confident it will act like most diseases of this type and you'll have immunity afterwards.

I'm relatively young and healthy and probably very low risk. So if they could come to my house and give it to me, on the basis i then didn't leave for 3 weeks, I honestly think i would take it.  After 3 weeks I could then be 'signed off' as allowed back in to society as relatively low risk of being a carrier.

Obviously this wouldnt be for everyone, but it would help get the levels towards the required levels for herd immunity and help the economy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 04:29:31 PM
Visualizing the History of Pandemics

Interesting to see a graphic of the size of the various pandemics humans have faced.

Source: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/history-of-pandemics-deadliest/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 04:49:47 PM
Today’s coronavirus press conference will be taking place in around 15 minutes.  BBC One
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 05:04:28 PM
The EU have also imposed a ban on all 27 member states exporting medical equipment and supplies to none EU countries. The UK on the other hand are considering helping out some of the poorest countries, where they can.

The EU has stopped export out of the bloc to ensure there's enough equipment for where they need it.  You may not have noticed it but Europe is the epicenter now.

Also, what equipment are we considering selling?  I've not seen any articles on that?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 05:13:23 PM
The EU has stopped export out of the bloc to ensure there's enough equipment for where they need it.  You may not have noticed it but Europe is the epicenter now.

Also, what equipment are we considering selling?  I've not seen any articles on that?

Well it's a pity the EU didn't help Italy, who had to rely on China for supplies
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 05:24:09 PM
Not sure what you mean by "the EU" here.  What stops individual countries from helping?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 17, 2020, 05:32:48 PM

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

The impact of this and the recovery from it will take years and Boris will get the blame from some regardless of how he handles it.
The buck stops at the top man's desk, that's the way it is.  He's always seen himself as a Prime Minister in waiting, so now he has to play up, no getting away with carefree Latin burblings or cheery bluster now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
Not sure what you mean by "the EU" here.  What stops individual countries from helping?

"The EU Is Abandoning Italy in Its Hour of Need"

Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/14/coronavirus-eu-abandoning-italy-china-aid/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 05:49:41 PM
The buck stops at the top man's desk, that's the way it is.  He's always seen himself as a Prime Minister in waiting, so now he has to play up, no getting away with carefree Latin burblings or cheery bluster now.

He's has just stood in front of the National and International MSM and said "The buck stops here" What more do you want him to say and do than he is not already doing and done?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 17, 2020, 06:01:10 PM
Havnt heard a whisper from any of the
 utilities to help out its customers,have you?
They're only interested in robbing us with their extortionate charges.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 17, 2020, 06:03:04 PM
He's has just stood in front of the National and International MSM and said "The buck stops here" What more do you want him to say and do than he is not already doing and done?
It wasn't really a pop at Boris, I'm no great fan, but for what its worth I think he's on about 7/10 so far.  Now he has a real chance over the coming months  to show he is actually a statesman of substance not the shallow media creation many accuse him of being.  We shall see.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 06:07:38 PM
Not sure what you mean by "the EU" here.  What stops individual countries from helping?

Serbia officially applied for European Union membership on 22 December 2009. Accession negotiations are currently ongoing. ... It is one of five current EU candidate countries, together with Albania, Montenegro, North Macedonia, and Turkey.

This is the EU in 2020. After forcing countries to buy from members, it turns its back in time of need.

https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1239716613483425797
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 06:09:39 PM
"The EU Is Abandoning Italy in Its Hour of Need"

Source: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/14/coronavirus-eu-abandoning-italy-china-aid/

I mean, the first line says...
"fellow countries in the European Union".  And if you read the article it says that countries haven't come forward with supplies.  It also points out the UK hasn't helped.

This isn't a failure of the EU, it's a failure of individual countries.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 17, 2020, 06:11:59 PM
They have just slapped a massive fine on Italy for failing to recover state aid.

Imagine that, a country trying to survive a epidemic that has wiped out thousands and the EU find it fitting to drop a fine on them.

Priorities eh?

Just goes to show what trash they are. Disgusting!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 17, 2020, 06:20:19 PM
Excellent from Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson

-Government backed and guaranteed loans of £330bn to support companies

-A potential support package specifically for airlines and airports

- A three-month mortgage payment holiday for homeowners

-£10,000 cash grants for smaller firms

-An extension of the business rate holiday announced in the Budget


Further proposals to be announced in the coming days
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 06:27:45 PM
I mean, the first line says...
"fellow countries in the European Union".  And if you read the article it says that countries haven't come forward with supplies.  It also points out the UK hasn't helped.

This isn't a failure of the EU, it's a failure of individual countries.

We no longer have a responsibility to the EU, thankfully. But surely the 27 members of that club have a responsibility to each other, otherwise what is the point of an EU?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 06:33:45 PM
I mean, the first line says...
"fellow countries in the European Union".  And if you read the article it says that countries haven't come forward with supplies.  It also points out the UK hasn't helped.

This isn't a failure of the EU, it's a failure of individual countries.

"In contrast to China, Italy's partners in the European Union earlier this month refused Rome's requests for help with medical supplies as they looked to stockpile face masks and other equipment to help their own citizens."

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/china-sends-essential-coronavirus-supplies-italy-200313195241031.html

There's more if you want it
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 17, 2020, 06:34:06 PM
Excellent from Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson

-Government backed and guaranteed loans of £330bn to support companies

-A potential support package specifically for airlines and airports

- A three-month mortgage payment holiday for homeowners

-£10,000 cash grants for smaller firms

-An extension of the business rate holiday announced in the Budget


Further proposals to be announced in the coming days
A grand Keynesian expansion, it is exactly what we need.  Sunak=future PM?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 07:24:17 PM
"In contrast to China, Italy's partners in the European Union earlier this month refused Rome's requests for help with medical supplies as they looked to stockpile face masks and other equipment to help their own citizens."

Source: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/china-sends-essential-coronavirus-supplies-italy-200313195241031.html

There's more if you want it


I literally said just that.  Like I said this is a failure of individual countries not "the EU".  Do you not see the difference?  At any point, any country can offer emergency aid to another country.  The EU isn't stopping it.  Just as we haven't helped, France etc hasn't helped.  We should all be helping each other should we not?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 07:32:31 PM
We no longer have a responsibility to the EU, thankfully. But surely the 27 members of that club have a responsibility to each other, otherwise what is the point of an EU?

I wouldn't say our default position should be not to help.  If you think that's the case then you'd have to expect other countries not to help us if we need it.  In fact, you'd have to say not many countries would help other ones. I think you've just made a good case for joining the something like the EU.

I do agree that other countries, especially those in the EU, should help.  The problem there is what do you think the public would say if you sent a load of equipment that your own country requires?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 07:44:18 PM


I literally said just that.  Like I said this is a failure of individual countries not "the EU".  Do you not see the difference?  At any point, any country can offer emergency aid to another country.  The EU isn't stopping it.  Just as we haven't helped, France etc hasn't helped.  We should all be helping each other should we not?

Forgive me, but aren’t the EU and it’s member states one in the same?

And would you want to be in a club of 27 that 26 members of its refuse to help when you need it and the governing body of that club also refuse to intervene?

It would be like England refusing to help NI, Scotland or Wales, we would offer every possible assistance as we are a United, obviously the Union is not United.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 07:46:13 PM
I wouldn't say our default position should be not to help.  If you think that's the case then you'd have to expect other countries not to help us if we need it.  In fact, you'd have to say not many countries would help other ones. I think you've just made a good case for joining the something like the EU.

I do agree that other countries, especially those in the EU, should help.  The problem there is what do you think the public would say if you sent a load of equipment that your own country requires?

I think you don’t get the Superstate objective and have made a good case why we were right to leave
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 08:26:17 PM
I think you don’t get the Superstate objective and have made a good case why we were right to leave

So on one hand you think countries in a bloc should come together in times of crisis to help each other...

You also think that countries outside that bloc have no obligation to help, and therefore no right to be helped in times of crisis...

And you think you're not making the argument that countries are better off together?  Err... OK..  ;D

This is getting off topic anyway, so to bring it back around. 

Yes, countries should be doing more to help each other. 
No, being outside the bloc shouldn't be a reason for other countries not to help.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 17, 2020, 08:41:47 PM
Anyway, here's a website that has a decent amount of Albion games (and others) you can watch for free...

https://footballia.net/teams/west-bromwich-albion
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 17, 2020, 08:46:20 PM
Excellent from Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson

-Government backed and guaranteed loans of £330bn to support companies

-A potential support package specifically for airlines and airports

- A three-month mortgage payment holiday for homeowners

-£10,000 cash grants for smaller firms

-An extension of the business rate holiday announced in the Budget


Further proposals to be announced in the coming days
I have a lot of respect and faith in the boys at the top table.
Been outstanding so far , markets have rallied, there is talk of tests starting on the clinical antidote.....
It feels like we may just have done things the right way...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 09:11:30 PM
So on one hand you think countries in a bloc should come together in times of crisis to help each other...

You also think that countries outside that bloc have no obligation to help, and therefore no right to be helped in times of crisis...

And you think you're not making the argument that countries are better off together?  Err... OK..  ;D

This is getting off topic anyway, so to bring it back around. 

Yes, countries should be doing more to help each other. 
No, being outside the bloc shouldn't be a reason for other countries not to help.

You said it was the individual countries that weren’t helping Italy, not the EU, then you say they should themselves be helped by others?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 17, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
Anyway, here's a website that has a decent amount of Albion games (and others) you can watch for free...

https://footballia.net/teams/west-bromwich-albion

Thank you for the link, I’ll added it to my growing list of things to do and watch. I’m sure I’ll make good use of them during my term of confinement  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: MarkW on March 17, 2020, 10:12:35 PM
Gents, remember this is a thread about the Coronavirus, not the EU.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 17, 2020, 10:16:30 PM
A grand Keynesian expansion, it is exactly what we need.  Sunak=future PM?

Hardly, an inevitable attempt to prevent a huge contraction.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 17, 2020, 10:47:39 PM
Boris may tell people to keep out of pubs but unless he shuts them down people will still use them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 17, 2020, 10:56:16 PM
Boris may tell people to keep out of pubs but unless he shuts them down people will still use them.
And why not?
Alcohol kills bacteria and viruses.
That's my excuse, anyway.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on March 17, 2020, 11:19:11 PM
Yep, spill some beer over your table in the pub and sterilise it! Last Friday in my regular drinking hole, the landlord spent the entire evening cleaning tables, chairs and the bar. The barmaid had a handheld temperature scanner to check everyone who came in. Had any been detected with a high Temperature, they would have been asked to leave. A shut down of the pubs will probably kill off that place for good; the landlord is an Aussie and will likely return down under. A pub with great beer and a unique atmosphere will be lost. However, it won’t be the only one and we must get used to the reality of knowing that things will be very different when this crisis is over.

I hope all of us on this forum stay safe and will be able to enjoy a damn good party when we eventually get back to going to the football. Good luck everyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 17, 2020, 11:20:52 PM
What are the gutless yobbos going to do now?
They can't mug old ladies in the street.
The same old ladies are self isolating.
Positives to be drawn.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 17, 2020, 11:33:46 PM
I am well into my 70's.
This poor chap has only just arrived.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nine-month-old-boy-contracts-covid-19-11959287
Just live and hope that you and yours can beat this horrible virus.
Myself and my wife are self isolating.We have done this before being told by "the government".
Only ordering off the internet etc.
We have a freezer and a fridge.
We are not going to strip the shelves of the local supermarket.
Just enough to see us by.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 18, 2020, 06:39:19 AM
I am well into my 70's.
This poor chap has only just arrived.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nine-month-old-boy-contracts-covid-19-11959287
Just live and hope that you and yours can beat this horrible virus.
Myself and my wife are self isolating.We have done this before being told by "the government".
Only ordering off the internet etc.
We have a freezer and a fridge.
We are not going to strip the shelves of the local supermarket.
Just enough to see us by.

Nice to read mate.
Stay safe.
All the best
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 18, 2020, 07:11:01 AM
Saisburys across the country are dedicating their first hour of opening on Thursday to elderly and vunerable adults.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on March 18, 2020, 07:19:16 AM
And why not?
Alcohol kills bacteria and viruses.
That's my excuse, anyway.  ::)

Poor excuse. It’s alcohol over 60% I believe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on March 18, 2020, 07:20:31 AM
I am well into my 70's.
This poor chap has only just arrived.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nine-month-old-boy-contracts-covid-19-11959287
Just live and hope that you and yours can beat this horrible virus.
Myself and my wife are self isolating.We have done this before being told by "the government".
Only ordering off the internet etc.
We have a freezer and a fridge.
We are not going to strip the shelves of the local supermarket.
Just enough to see us by.

Diagnosed without being tested, not a confirmed case in my eyes.

Good look with the isolation period.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 08:50:08 AM
Dundee distillery switches production from gin to hand sanitiser

Likely his sanatiser will have more alcohol content than his gin, but it's in a good cause

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-51928392
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2020, 09:16:22 AM
Boris may tell people to keep out of pubs but unless he shuts them down people will still use them.


I would of thought that if he was to shut pubs down the Breweries could take legal action for compensation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2020, 09:20:15 AM
This virus has shown me the selfishness and greed of people. Go to the shops and pile as much stuff in a trolley and sod everyone else.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 09:20:39 AM
If it's bad enough that there's no football and I'm self isolating, but I am absolutely devastated, this morning, to learn that the 2020 Eurovision Song Contest has been cancelled.

Woe is me the end is indeed nigh   ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 18, 2020, 09:32:18 AM
Was salisbury (Novochok) a dry run for Coronavirus?

Release an agent near a well documented research institute (Porton Down) and see how the opposition reacts = indignant hyperbole and a few meaningless sanctions

At a time of world being de-stabalised, rescind the agreements with Opec,
Row back on the support you have been giving Erdugan, in fact use your Syrian puppet to attack Erdugans southern flank, having previously annexed the land to the North (Crimea)
Use propoganda to set the big 2 at each others throats over Coronavirus.
US elections coming, will manipulate them again

Just random thoughts



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 09:37:51 AM
If it's bad enough that there's no football and I'm self isolating, but I am absolutely devastated, this morning, to learn that the 2020 Eurovision Song Contest has been cancelled.

Woe is me the end is indeed nigh   ;D

Just found out that our entry was called “My Last Breath”. You just couldn't make this stuff up  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 09:44:16 AM
Andrew Marr's Twitter Account It’s 1939 but with added avocados and oat milk

BREAKING

Sainsbury's is rationing sale of *ALL* groceries

People will be able to buy a maximum of THREE of any product

Limit set at two for the most popular products

Also:

* 'Silver hour' for elderly in stores once a week

* Priority access to delivery slots for elderly
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 09:50:43 AM
From Professor Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Officer

New guidance has been published on what you need to do to protect yourself, protect others, and protect the NHS.

Please take a few minutes to read this important advice on #COVID2019


Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 18, 2020, 10:06:27 AM
Dundee distillery switches production from gin to hand sanitiser

Likely his sanatiser will have more alcohol content than his gin, but it's in a good cause

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-51928392

I prefer the taste of hand sanitiser to gin  8)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
This virus has shown me the selfishness and greed of people. Go to the shops and pile as much stuff in a trolley and sod everyone else.

For every act of selfishness, there are countless more acts of kindness that go unreported by a MSM with it's own agenda

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-iceland-store-opens-for-an-hour-a-day-just-for-elderly-customers-11958264
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2020, 11:13:23 AM
Boris may tell people to keep out of pubs but unless he shuts them down people will still use them.

And that just highlights how mind-numbingly stupid and selfish some people are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 18, 2020, 11:27:03 AM
...that go unreported by a MSM with it's own agenda

...as there is a lot of fake and misleading news being pumped out from some MSM outlets.

...of the National and International MSM and said...

Personally, I feel the MSM are partly responsible for the way many people are panicking by the messages they are promoting

I'm begging to suspect that your sole critical analysis of a news source is it's origin (or reputation)! :-X
Surely it's better to convince people something is misleading or otherwise than by just saying "oh, this is from that dirty rag so and so"

You don't have to go far to find videos mocking any single source you want! (https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1240202059342917633?s=12)

I suppose more information is always better... until there's too much and people can choose to only read what's within their own bubble (and that's regardless of if they even choose or not...)  :o




Over here in New Zealand we've had the "luxury" of preparation time. It is, after all, only a matter of time. The tourism and associated industries have been reduced to little more than minor domestic as all incoming are subject to 2-week isolation (so what's the point of travelling here), all businesses while still operating normally are getting ahead on preparing to delegate what can be done remotely, the government has proactively prepared resources to cope with the inevitable global slowdown and the temporary one over here for all to-be sick except home office workers, and finally the slow scale up of medical resources begins. This has, of course, led to a general fear and very minor panic as all we see all day are the situations elsewhere.

Though, for now, I can freely walk into a major supermarket as always have done. We won't run out of NZ lamb, that's for sure... :-X

We're also, just about, still in the bewildering position of still being able to document the individual cases and where they originated... (https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-cases)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 18, 2020, 01:36:13 PM
And that just highlights how mind-numbingly stupid and selfish some people are.

Yes even his own father is one of the mind-numbingly stupid selfish people you mention.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 18, 2020, 02:26:43 PM
This virus has shown me the selfishness and greed of people. Go to the shops and pile as much stuff in a trolley and sod everyone else.
Should only be able to use a basket and not a trolley.
They have probably stock piled enough by now any way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 18, 2020, 02:27:56 PM
All the stores on my local high street completely out of bread/eggs/toilet paper still.

Idiots everywhere.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 18, 2020, 02:29:05 PM
Dont shoot the messenger, just be told my a NHS nurse who lives next door to me, TOTAL SHUTDOWN IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2020, 02:59:08 PM
Yes even his own father is one of the mind-numbingly stupid selfish people you mention.

Agree - and he's not remotely funny either.

My Grandad keeps saying similar.

Don't think he quite realises how dangerous this is for those with diabetics, with bladder and respiratory issues. I'm close to calling him an idiot too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 05:12:21 PM
Last updated: March 18, 2020, 17:00 GMT

World Wide Coronavirus Cases:
208,221
Deaths: 8,272
Recovered: 82,902

UK
Total Cases: 2626
New Cases: 676 (today)
Deaths: 104
New Deaths: 33 (today)
Recovered: 65
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
I'm begging to suspect that your sole critical analysis of a news source is it's origin (or reputation)! :-X
Surely it's better to convince people something is misleading or otherwise than by just saying "oh, this is from that dirty rag so and so"

You don't have to go far to find videos mocking any single source you want! (https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1240202059342917633?s=12)

I suppose more information is always better... until there's too much and people can choose to only read what's within their own bubble (and that's regardless of if they even choose or not...)  :o


Over here in New Zealand we've had the "luxury" of preparation time. It is, after all, only a matter of time. The tourism and associated industries have been reduced to little more than minor domestic as all incoming are subject to 2-week isolation (so what's the point of travelling here), all businesses while still operating normally are getting ahead on preparing to delegate what can be done remotely, the government has proactively prepared resources to cope with the inevitable global slowdown and the temporary one over here for all to-be sick except home office workers, and finally the slow scale up of medical resources begins. This has, of course, led to a general fear and very minor panic as all we see all day are the situations elsewhere.

Though, for now, I can freely walk into a major supermarket as always have done. We won't run out of NZ lamb, that's for sure... :-X

We're also, just about, still in the bewildering position of still being able to document the individual cases and where they originated... (https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-current-cases)

Hi Political Cake, I did respond to your post, but it would appear a Moderator has decide to removed it, I haven't been advised of a reason why.

In my opinion it wasn't offensive, it was structured and may have been a tad length, but that is all  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 18, 2020, 05:34:12 PM
Gonnna be about 500 dead by weekend finishes
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 18, 2020, 05:49:29 PM
Last updated: March 18, 2020, 17:00 GMT

World Wide Coronavirus Cases:
208,221
Deaths: 8,272
Recovered: 82,902

UK
Total Cases: 2626
New Cases: 676 (today)
Deaths: 104
New Deaths: 33 (today)
Recovered: 65

Got a link to that mate!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 18, 2020, 06:12:24 PM
Expect about 44 new deaths tomorrow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 18, 2020, 06:43:55 PM
If you close down schools, who will look after the kids, the grandparents, the very people we are trying to protect.
Everything the government does has a reaction elsewhere, this is a time for personal responsibility and consideration of others, not finger pointing and political points scoring

So one day later and we have now shut the schools down...  which we couldn't do yesterday apparently.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 06:48:18 PM
Got a link to that mate!

I posted a few links earlier in this thread with interactive maps.

But this is the link I used to post figures just now

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 18, 2020, 07:00:45 PM
So one day later and we have now shut the schools down...  which we couldn't do yesterday apparently.

At least they are keeping the schools open for key workers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on March 18, 2020, 07:07:23 PM
Gonnna be about 500 dead by weekend finishes

I sincerely hope not - the funeral directors will be crying in the streets ‘bring out your bodies’
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 18, 2020, 07:09:01 PM
So one day later and we have now shut the schools down...  which we couldn't do yesterday apparently.

being a pedant, they don't shut down until Monday ! 5 days in a very much dynamic environment !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggie53 on March 18, 2020, 07:44:30 PM
They can only give figures for confirmed cases until everyone showing symptoms is tested

There are very likely thousands with symptoms who are self isolating who will never even know whether they had it or not.

Anyway, started working from home today, then had to go in this afternoon because of laptop issues, but as my mate at work said yesterday, providing there are pubs left open, there's going to be one hell of a p!ss up when we get through this

Everyone take care
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2020, 08:12:56 PM
They can only give figures for confirmed cases until everyone showing symptoms is tested

There are very likely thousands with symptoms who are self isolating who will never even know whether they had it or not.

Anyway, started working from home today, then had to go in this afternoon because of laptop issues, but as my mate at work said yesterday, providing there are pubs left open, there's going to be one hell of a p!ss up when we get through this

Everyone take care

I thought I herd the CSA say, at today’s briefing, they are working on a test to check a antibodies in people to see if they had contracted the virus and not been aware, which they view as an important aspect in combating this virus

Stay safe yourself

Ps Some much needed good news from @uksciencechief-

A serological test is close which would show those that have had asymptomatic infection and are now immune.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 18, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
So one day later and we have now shut the schools down...  which we couldn't do yesterday apparently.
Timing is everything....no point sunbathing at 9pm in October
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 18, 2020, 09:15:29 PM
Timing is everything....no point sunbathing at 9pm in October

Well, I was told we couldn't shut the schools down before because 'who will look after the kids, the grandparents?'.  That issue still stands.

I'd also argue that if we were trying to flatten the curve then this could have been done a week or so ago.  It would have helped to reduce the spread just as much then, if not more.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 18, 2020, 09:16:21 PM
I thought I herd the CSA say, at today’s briefing, they are working on a test to check a antibodies in people to see if they had contracted the virus and not been aware, which they view as an important aspect in combating this virus

Stay safe yourself

Ps Some much needed good news from @uksciencechief-

A serological test is close which would show those that have had asymptomatic infection and are now immune.

That's excellent news as frontline staff who are now immune can help get us back on our feet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 18, 2020, 09:20:04 PM
I sincerely hope not - the funeral directors will be crying in the streets ‘bring out your bodies’

They are hoping only 20,000 die and as for burials, mortuaries plans are already in place for these unfortunate scenarios
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 18, 2020, 09:40:24 PM
Well, I was told we couldn't shut the schools down before because 'who will look after the kids, the grandparents?'.  That issue still stands.

I'd also argue that if we were trying to flatten the curve then this could have been done a week or so ago.  It would have helped to reduce the spread just as much then, if not more.


Teachers are going down with it, schools were struggling to stay open, they haven't been shut to 'protect the kids'. I'm delighted however that you know more than the CSA and CMO. Keep us updated on what they're doing wrong please.


I've also begun Social Distancing, day one of eighty-four away from work. Every cloud.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 18, 2020, 10:04:12 PM
Be brutal as you like - am I being irresponsible by going to the gym still. It’s the only thing I’m doing, work-gym-home
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 18, 2020, 10:05:14 PM

Teachers are going down with it, schools were struggling to stay open, they haven't been shut to 'protect the kids'. I'm delighted however that you know more than the CSA and CMO. Keep us updated on what they're doing wrong please.


I've also begun Social Distancing, day one of eighty-four away from work. Every cloud.

Same here Jacko.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 18, 2020, 10:31:14 PM
My sister has taken my 8 month old nephew to hospital, in fact paramedics took him to hospital in an ambulance. They’ve been self isolating for a week due to 111 advice after showing symptoms. So they’ve self isolated for a week and he’s worse tonight, high temperature, coughing, wheezing, pale. They made my sister wear a mask in a room with him.

They are refusing to test. There’s a similar case with another baby of a friend. Refusing to test.

Why are they refusing and is this why there are only 10 cases in Cornwall?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 18, 2020, 11:33:46 PM
I think they're expecting it to get a lot worse. Field hospital and transport hub being set up by the army in Penkridge this evening
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 19, 2020, 01:50:09 AM
I think they're expecting it to get a lot worse. Field hospital and transport hub being set up by the army in Penkridge this evening
I live very close to Penkridge, could you elobrate more?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2020, 02:00:33 AM
Be brutal as you like - am I being irresponsible by going to the gym still. It’s the only thing I’m doing, work-gym-home

Work, home and floor exercises (with light weights if you have them) would probably be a better solution at the moment.

All of the very best regards your sister, nephew and those in your care at work.

Take care chap  8) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mank baggie on March 19, 2020, 06:00:03 AM
Work, home and floor exercises (with light weights if you have them) would probably be a better solution at the moment.

All of the very best regards your sister, nephew and those in your care at work.

Take care chap  8) .

I luckily invested in some Olympic weights a cage with dipping bars and pull up bar , a hex bar and numerous dumbbells, I'm still going gym a the moment but will reassess next week . Btw we don't have a  dining room anymore.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mank baggie on March 19, 2020, 06:02:08 AM
I still dont know anyone with the virus and I dont know anyone who knows anyone with it .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2020, 06:05:01 AM

Teachers are going down with it, schools were struggling to stay open, they haven't been shut to 'protect the kids'. I'm delighted however that you know more than the CSA and CMO. Keep us updated on what they're doing wrong please.


I've also begun Social Distancing, day one of eighty-four away from work. Every cloud.

I didn't say they've done it to protect the kids. They've done it to reduce the spread of infection.  It's why all the other countries have done the same.

I raised the same point several days ago, that if we were flattening the curve (which is a vital idea), then we could (and probably should) have taken these measure earlier. I was told we couldn't shut the schools because who would look after the children, etc.  Then we shut the schools.

It is not about knowing more than Witty, I don't, but you look at all the evidence available.  The WHO gave different advice, a lot of other scientists raised concerns, other countries took advice from their own scientists.  Does Witty know more than them? Would you bet lives on that?

It is clear the UK took a different approach earlier on and we've wasted a lot of time. The articles and reports are easily searchable if you're interested.  Look into why we have changed tack recently, here's a clue, the science has NOT changed, the lessons from China and Italy were always there.  We took our lessons from a different source.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 19, 2020, 06:48:31 AM
Australia & New Zealand have closed up completely except for nationals and permanent residents.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/coronavirus-non-resident-travel-ban-australia/12071640
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/03/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-announces-total-new-zealand-border-closure.html
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 19, 2020, 07:22:09 AM
I didn't say they've done it to protect the kids. They've done it to reduce the spread of infection.  It's why all the other countries have done the same.

I raised the same point several days ago, that if we were flattening the curve (which is a vital idea), then we could (and probably should) have taken these measure earlier. I was told we couldn't shut the schools because who would look after the children, etc.  Then we shut the schools.

It is not about knowing more than Witty, I don't, but you look at all the evidence available.  The WHO gave different advice, a lot of other scientists raised concerns, other countries took advice from their own scientists.  Does Witty know more than them? Would you bet lives on that?

It is clear the UK took a different approach earlier on and we've wasted a lot of time. The articles and reports are easily searchable if you're interested.  Look into why we have changed tack recently, here's a clue, the science has NOT changed, the lessons from China and Italy were always there.  We took our lessons from a different source.

And where do these children go? Grand parents the very people who this virus kills or do they take them to work with them? The supermarket can spread infection should we shut them to?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2020, 07:22:57 AM
Be brutal as you like - am I being irresponsible by going to the gym still. It’s the only thing I’m doing, work-gym-home

Yes

I am not sure what some people find so difficult about social distancing and not using pubs and restaurants

Some of these ignoring the advice will be the first to moan when our death toll rises rapidly

Not a pop at you, but more a general rant
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2020, 07:57:48 AM
And where do these children go? Grand parents the very people who this virus kills or do they take them to work with them? The supermarket can spread infection should we shut them to?

Well, from Monday we will find out I guess. I would imagine we are approaching a total shutdown where possible.  You've just got to look at other countries, they aren't doing this stuff for fun.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2020, 08:03:12 AM
Yes

I am not sure what some people find so difficult about social distancing and not using pubs and restaurants

Some of these ignoring the advice will be the first to moan when our death toll rises rapidly

Not a pop at you, but more a general rant

Yeah, it's a couple of things.  One is to reduce the risk of catching it.  Another to reduce the risk of spreading it.  If we all do what we can to do those we can give our health service the time it needs to stay on top of this and reduce the number of deaths.  Even recovering from this can leave you with long term lung damage so it's vital we do what we can.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2020, 08:40:30 AM
Yeah, it's a couple of things.  One is to reduce the risk of catching it.  Another to reduce the risk of spreading it.  If we all do what we can to do those we can give our health service the time it needs to stay on top of this and reduce the number of deaths.  Even recovering from this can leave you with long term lung damage so it's vital we do what we can.

I’m with you. Some of the attitudes to this are staggering. Almost an arrogance.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2020, 08:51:58 AM
I luckily invested in some Olympic weights a cage with dipping bars and pull up bar , a hex bar and numerous dumbbells, I'm still going gym a the moment but will reassess next week . Btw we don't have a  dining room anymore.

Rowing machine, bench, dumbbells, kettlebells and parallettes.

And a punch bag for when feeling so inclined   8) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 19, 2020, 09:42:32 AM
I don't get it,I say close pubs ,restaurants,cinemas etc etc.
Because if these type of places are open some people will go to them.
Too many pubs anyway
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Tank on March 19, 2020, 10:29:17 AM
I luckily invested in some Olympic weights a cage with dipping bars and pull up bar , a hex bar and numerous dumbbells, I'm still going gym a the moment but will reassess next week . Btw we don't have a  dining room anymore.

Don't have a dining room anymore ?   You won't have enough time in the day to eat after all that time working out!  Probably have mirrors all around the house though :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 19, 2020, 10:57:39 AM
Took my sister to Maidstone hospital which is about a 40 minute drive from my place for a steroid injection in her back. Got there dropped her off and came home. No sooner had i got in the door i got a message saying the procedure had been cancelled. They tried telling my sister that they had attempted to contact her but she told them she had received no messages. Then tried telling her that the steroid injection could cause Coronavirus. They were told very quickly that she has been in the NHS for well over 30 years and they were forced to apologise. She was not the only person there either. Wonder whether they were fobbed off with similar lies!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 19, 2020, 02:17:08 PM
Rowing machine, bench, dumbbells, kettlebells and parallettes.

And a punch bag for when feeling so inclined   8) .

Going upstairs to the loo instead of using the downstairs one.  A few exercises with a Big Exercise Ball and of course lifting my beer glass to my mouth.  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 19, 2020, 02:20:10 PM
Going upstairs to the loo instead of using the downstairs one.  A few exercises with a Big Exercise Ball and of course lifting my beer glass to my mouth.  ;D

Upstairs AND a downstairs bog? No wonder you live over Worcester way. Yow'm too posh for Tipton now  ;) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 19, 2020, 02:31:09 PM
Upstairs AND a downstairs bog? No wonder you live over Worcester way. Yow'm too posh for Tipton now  ;) .

Yow con tek the mon out of Tipton but yow cor tek Tipton out of the mon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 02:51:58 PM
The Bank of England has just cut interest rates from 0.25% to 0.1% to shore up the economy and is good news for those with mortgages
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mank baggie on March 19, 2020, 03:02:44 PM
Don't have a dining room anymore ?   You won't have enough time in the day to eat after all that time working out!  Probably have mirrors all around the house though :)

Haha eat on my lap in front of the telly and no , no more mirrors than a normal house, it's more about dealing with mental health issues than vanity at my age .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mank baggie on March 19, 2020, 03:04:32 PM
Upstairs AND a downstairs bog? No wonder you live over Worcester way. Yow'm too posh for Tipton now  ;) .
I use a **** bucket
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 19, 2020, 04:21:11 PM
You mean you've got a bucket!
I'm so poor I have to **** myself
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 19, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
I use a **** bucket

You mean you've got a bucket!
I'm so poor I have to **** myself

this is beginning to sound like Monty Python.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on March 19, 2020, 04:30:06 PM
In Germany where they have more infections than in the UK, Merkel has given last warning to stop unnecessary socialising. Otherwise it will be a lockdown there.
Our Government are trying to hold off with extreme closures or complete lockdowns. They are saying London will not be sealed off under any circumstances. They are obviously hoping the self restraint appeals will be taken seriously. Whatever happens, essential services and workers in key sectors have got to be kept up and running.
I've now restricted myself to supermarket, launderette, bank and allowing the plumber in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 05:47:59 PM
COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK

Last updated: March 19, 2020, 17:41 GMT

Coronavirus Cases: 236,886
Deaths: 9,828
Recovered: 86,676

UK
Total Cases: 2,692
New Cases: 66
Total Deaths: 137
New Deaths: 33
Total Recovered: 65
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 05:59:29 PM
On a very sad note today, Italy's death toll has surpassed China's
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2020, 06:19:37 PM
Wonder why it's so disproportionately high there. There population is nothing compared to China.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 19, 2020, 06:31:22 PM
Second oldest population in the world?

Their infrastructure has now fallen apart and surely contributing to their number of deaths
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2020, 06:33:00 PM
Fair enough, had no idea of the demographics. I'm guessing Japan is the oldest? That's the only country i heard of with an aging/declining population.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on March 19, 2020, 06:34:09 PM
Wonder why it's so disproportionately high there. There population is nothing compared to China.
Maybe something to do with China being a dictatorship. People fall into line more in such a system.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2020, 06:41:53 PM
Totally get that. Why risk being shot!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2020, 06:55:13 PM
On a very sad note today, Italy's death toll has surpassed China's


wE sHoUlD bE dOiNg WhAt ItAly DiD...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 06:59:45 PM

wE sHoUlD bE dOiNg WhAt ItAly DiD...

I’m with you on that Jacko both in upper and lower case  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on March 19, 2020, 06:59:53 PM
Totally get that. Why risk being shot!
I don't know much about China, but I don't think its as extreme as that! Its more a case of being used to following rules and not arguing much about it. Here in liberal democracies people take their freedoms for granted. I think its much more of a challenge here getting people to change their behaviour.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 07:00:54 PM
ONE SINGLE UK FACTORY MAKES 5 MILLION TOILET ROLLS EVERY DAY.

The UK has lots of factories like this.

No s h 1 t! well lots apparently  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 19, 2020, 07:08:36 PM
Deaths higher in Italy is because a lot of Italians are ignoring their governments instructions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 07:10:49 PM
Fair enough, had no idea of the demographics. I'm guessing Japan is the oldest? That's the only country i heard of with an aging/declining population.

Rank   Country   % of population over 65 years old
1   Japan   27
2   Italy           23
3   Portugal   22
4   Germany   21
5   Finland   21
6   Bulgaria   21
7   Greece   20
8   Sweden   20
9   Latvia   20
10   Croatia   20
11   France   20
12   Denmark   20
13   Estonia   19
14   Spain   19
15   Malta   19
16   Austria   19
17   Slovenia   19
18   Czech Republic   19
19   Lithuania   19
20   Netherlands   19
21   Hungary   19
22   Belgium   19
23   United Kingdom   19
24   Switzerland   18
25   Romania   18
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 07:12:50 PM
Looking at our ranking, 23, what are we doing wrong?

Figuratively speaking, we are in the Championship of looking after the likes of me  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 19, 2020, 07:19:35 PM
I don't know much about China, but I don't think its as extreme as that! Its more a case of being used to following rules and not arguing much about it. Here in liberal democracies people take their freedoms for granted. I think its much more of a challenge here getting people to change their behaviour.

China is known for it's citizens/officials disappearing when not towing the Communist line. Off to the gulag!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 19, 2020, 07:26:49 PM
I phoned a few mates today who I meet up with in the pub and they are still going to the pub. I can see their point when they say if the government was serious about people staying out of the pubs they would shut them.

I then see that the younger generation are not listening to government advise either and are still using pubs and clubs.

So Boris if you are serious about less social gatherings SHUT THE BLOODY PUBS AND CLUBS.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 07:57:25 PM
The nanny state is alive and kicking!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 19, 2020, 08:13:28 PM
The nanny state is alive and kicking!

So shall we carry on as if nothing is happening then?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 19, 2020, 08:25:46 PM
On a slightly different tilt, we were all seduced last week into believing that the idea that mass gatherings should be reduced was to allow our emergency services to be better deployed.
I was on my way from work down the A5 this afternoon and what was waiting there for all and sundry?
A fekin speed trap, nice to see they are getting their priorities right in these difficult times.
Herbets!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 19, 2020, 08:27:19 PM
Rank   Country   % of population over 65 years old
1   Japan   27
2   Italy           23
3   Portugal   22
4   Germany   21
5   Finland   21
6   Bulgaria   21
7   Greece   20
8   Sweden   20
9   Latvia   20
10   Croatia   20
11   France   20
12   Denmark   20
13   Estonia   19
14   Spain   19
15   Malta   19
16   Austria   19
17   Slovenia   19
18   Czech Republic   19
19   Lithuania   19
20   Netherlands   19
21   Hungary   19
22   Belgium   19
23   United Kingdom   19
24   Switzerland   18
25   Romania   18

Oh no, relegation zone!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 19, 2020, 08:32:24 PM
COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK

Last updated: March 19, 2020, 17:41 GMT

Coronavirus Cases: 236,886
Deaths: 9,828
Recovered: 86,676

UK
Total Cases: 2,692
New Cases: 66
Total Deaths: 137
New Deaths: 33
Total Recovered: 65


Is that new cases figure correct?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 08:42:50 PM

Is that new cases figure correct?

I copied and pasted from the web site at just after 5:00 pm. But looking again now at the update at 20:35 it’s showing 40.

So it’s probably my error in some way
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 19, 2020, 09:39:12 PM
So shall we carry on as if nothing is happening then?

This is my personal perception and view and nothing more and I admit to being old fashioned, but I believe in reasoned argument, hard facts, overwhelming and irrefutable evidence that there is a killer on the lose that is capable and will, indiscriminately, take the lives of my loved ones, my close family, wife, children, grandchildren and old and long-standing friends. 

I consider that to willingly and selfishly ignore advice and put in jeopardy my nearest and dearest because no one has told me that I shouldn’t do that, is incomprehensible and unthinkable to me. What more motivation does a grown up need to protect his family?

We all have choices, just make the right choice in your own, your family and everyone’s interest and don’t wait for someone else to tell you to do what you know deep down is the right thing, because of some bravado or testosterone rush.

Its a no win situation for the government, I think the consequences of a forced lock down could, in some areas, lead to civil unrest and disobedience, where the innocent as well as the guilty are killed or injured thus putting more strain and pressure on the NHS, where soldiers are drafted in to restore law and order, while they could be deployed in more helpful pursuits against Covid-19. And what do we do with those who are apprehended, the whole logistics in taking them to court, putting them in prison etc. are mind boggling and the consequences incalculable.

No,  making appeals and the power of persuasion, at this time imo, is the right thing to do and we, as individuals who are responsible should lead by example and exert peer pressure in doing so on anyone we know that has a laissez faire attitude to our health, safety and welfare.

But there will always be those few that through their selfish actions disadvantage the majority of us and I suspect we will all have to suffer the consequences of a lock down. I am not for one minute saying what I suggest is the perfect solution or even a solution, but  I am already in a volunteer self imposed lock down, welcome to my world.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 19, 2020, 09:46:24 PM
Not sure a blanket closure of pubs is right atm, in my area Gwynedd we've only had our first case of the virus officially announced yesterday, would that be right to owners and staff.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 19, 2020, 09:52:46 PM
I don't know much about China, but I don't think its as extreme as that! Its more a case of being used to following rules and not arguing much about it. Here in liberal democracies people take their freedoms for granted. I think its much more of a challenge here getting people to change their behaviour.
Confucuian philosophy has an element of passivity in it, "go with the flow it is all part of the great web".  Or something like that, that's why hippies loved it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 19, 2020, 10:07:04 PM
I phoned a few mates today who I meet up with in the pub and they are still going to the pub. I can see their point when they say if the government was serious about people staying out of the pubs they would shut them.

I then see that the younger generation are not listening to government advise either and are still using pubs and clubs.

So Boris if you are serious about less social gatherings SHUT THE BLOODY PUBS AND CLUBS.

I think the government is hoping people are sensible enough to go and have a quiet drink with minimal numbers, some bars and restaurants have taken out tables and chairs creating separation, just two chairs per table, this seems a reasonable and sensible measure to me.
I probably will not go to the pub myself for fear of spreading it to my family, but its going to be difficult to never go out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 19, 2020, 10:27:58 PM
I have to say, I'm on the horns of a dilemma over this social isolation, I find it incredibly hard if I can not go out, play a bit of sport, have a social night out, go for a swim, go to the gym and also go to work.

My gym is a huge risk as is swimming probably, should not be going to the pub really and my work has completely dried up!

I'm going to really struggle with the next 3 months, I'm really dreading it. But if I go out I risk corona virus for myself and my family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 19, 2020, 10:53:23 PM
Not sure a blanket closure of pubs is right atm, in my area Gwynedd we've only had our first case of the virus officially announced yesterday, would that be right to owners and staff.

If you want to stop the owners and staff from getting the virus, or you want to stop their loved ones from getting the virus,  then yes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on March 20, 2020, 12:24:52 AM
Not sure a blanket closure of pubs is right atm, in my area Gwynedd we've only had our first case of the virus officially announced yesterday, would that be right to owners and staff.
You could try to put a limit of customers per pub, with say 2 seats per table, one customer at the bar, but how enforceable would that be? Also, most pubs are enclosed spaces, which even with air conditioning, easily spread germs.
It may only be one person infected now, but we know how easily this virus can spread. From person to person with each one infecting 3 others.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 20, 2020, 07:45:01 AM
I can't vouch for this letter, which I copied and pasted.
Edit... It was off Facebook by Stew Reed-Darby.


I hope this can help someone, somewhere....

I am currently in an isolated room on an isolated ward in Worcester hospital along with other people suspected of contracting Corona virus. After being rushed into hospital yesterday after a suspected stroke, I was immediately put in to isolation as Jodi and I had decided, due to some symptoms we as a family have been experiencing, would self-isolate.

I’m am sharing a room with a lad who is 23, and two elderly men.

Please if any part of you thinks that this situation we find ourselves in is anything other that as serious as it is, please think again.

I have had to watch this morning, an elderly man in the bed opposite me wet himself with fear of dying, wriggling in his bed fighting for breath, crying out for his wife that he can’t see as she isn’t allowed to be with him, begging to see her to say a final goodbye, crying out to his god to help him, telling his god he can’t he carry on anymore.

Please please please be kind to each other, protect each other, protect those who are vulnerable, protect those who are elderly. Listen to the advise that you are being given.

Maybe instead of filling your trolley just for yourself, share it with those who need it most.

We are all in this together.

And to those who may have questioned the NHS and there handling of this situation, questioned hospitals or made jokes about their child care being covered. I have never seen such selfless caring people as I having in the last 36 hours. The majority of which are volunteering to be with us, knowing the risks, working in ever-changing circumstances, even thought they themselves have family’s at home.

Let’s face this together, let’s beat this together and let’s move forward together.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 20, 2020, 08:59:32 AM
My sister is stuck in Italy, and they are using the army to transport the dead.  We should be under no illusions about what could happen here in cities if it gets a proper foothold.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 20, 2020, 09:03:34 AM
They should just freeze the stock market where it is and tell all the wide boys to go home, all these ups and downs are just them gambling on margins.  Shows what ****s they all are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 09:11:45 AM
I can't vouch for this letter, which I copied and pasted.
Edit... It was off Facebook by Stew Reed-Darby.


I hope this can help someone, somewhere....

I am currently in an isolated room on an isolated ward in Worcester hospital along with other people suspected of contracting Corona virus. After being rushed into hospital yesterday after a suspected stroke, I was immediately put in to isolation as Jodi and I had decided, due to some symptoms we as a family have been experiencing, would self-isolate.

I’m am sharing a room with a lad who is 23, and two elderly men.

Please if any part of you thinks that this situation we find ourselves in is anything other that as serious as it is, please think again.

I have had to watch this morning, an elderly man in the bed opposite me wet himself with fear of dying, wriggling in his bed fighting for breath, crying out for his wife that he can’t see as she isn’t allowed to be with him, begging to see her to say a final goodbye, crying out to his god to help him, telling his god he can’t he carry on anymore.

Please please please be kind to each other, protect each other, protect those who are vulnerable, protect those who are elderly. Listen to the advise that you are being given.

Maybe instead of filling your trolley just for yourself, share it with those who need it most.

We are all in this together.

And to those who may have questioned the NHS and there handling of this situation, questioned hospitals or made jokes about their child care being covered. I have never seen such selfless caring people as I having in the last 36 hours. The majority of which are volunteering to be with us, knowing the risks, working in ever-changing circumstances, even thought they themselves have family’s at home.

Let’s face this together, let’s beat this together and let’s move forward together.

A sobering and heartbreaking reality check.

I hope the individual and those in isolation make a full and speedy recovery
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barrington on March 20, 2020, 09:13:48 AM
Tesco are opening up on Sunday 9-10 a.m. exclusively for NHS staff and Tesco staff. Any eligible staff need to take some form of I.D. along to prove that they are NHS or Tesco staff. Store doesn't open until 9 so these staff will get first dibs. Hope this helps anyone eligible who is struggling to get supplies in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 20, 2020, 09:17:06 AM
I hope to god we don't get the same deaths as Italy but I wouldn't Be surprised

Country should be on lock down by now
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 09:59:10 AM
Tesco are opening up on Sunday 9-10 a.m. exclusively for NHS staff and Tesco staff. Any eligible staff need to take some form of I.D. along to prove that they are NHS or Tesco staff. Store doesn't open until 9 so these staff will get first dibs. Hope this helps anyone eligible who is struggling to get supplies in.

I went to my local Tesco this morning to collect our repeat prescriptions. The store opens at 6:00 am, so I thought, I'll get there for a little before opening time to minimise, as much as possible, my social contact and be first in line at the Pharmacy.

I arrived at the store at 5:50 am and was greeted with a queue of people 100 meters in length and growing.

I can only hope that shelves are re-stocked for the those groups you mention, that I also though included OAP's, when their 9:00 am slot commences.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 20, 2020, 10:24:39 AM
I can't vouch for this letter, which I copied and pasted.
Edit... It was off Facebook...... After being rushed into hospital yesterday after a suspected stroke.......

I have no wish to be cynical but that's a remarkably well typed and structured post for someone who's been rushed into hospital following a stroke/suspected stroke.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 20, 2020, 10:37:21 AM
I phoned a few mates today who I meet up with in the pub and they are still going to the pub. I can see their point when they say if the government was serious about people staying out of the pubs they would shut them.

I then see that the younger generation are not listening to government advise either and are still using pubs and clubs.

So Boris if you are serious about less social gatherings SHUT THE BLOODY PUBS AND CLUBS.

Only a matter of time Kev, along with the Army on the streets to enforce the curfew.

I went to Sainsburys yesterday after the pensioner 'happy hour'. I know that there is a shortage of toilet roll, tomatoes, pasta etc, but the place was seriously stripped of everything. No meat, no tinned soup or beans, nothing. I thought a plague of locusts had paid a visit.

Looks like I will be living on Quorn and Linda McCartney sausages.....

Actually, what is going on at the moment is a sad indictment of our society. This 'me first' greed attitude will break us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 20, 2020, 11:28:47 AM
Tesco are opening up on Sunday 9-10 a.m. exclusively for NHS staff and Tesco staff. Any eligible staff need to take some form of I.D. along to prove that they are NHS or Tesco staff. Store doesn't open until 9 so these staff will get first dibs. Hope this helps anyone eligible who is struggling to get supplies in.

They really need to extend NHS help to care workers. It is great that the NHS are helped but it really irks that support workers and carers don't receive similar help. I may write to my local MP but he is an A Hole so i may be wasting my time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on March 20, 2020, 12:03:46 PM
Only a matter of time Kev, along with the Army on the streets to enforce the curfew.

I went to Sainsburys yesterday after the pensioner 'happy hour'. I know that there is a shortage of toilet roll, tomatoes, pasta etc, but the place was seriously stripped of everything. No meat, no tinned soup or beans, nothing. I thought a plague of locusts had paid a visit.

Looks like I will be living on Quorn and Linda McCartney sausages.....

Actually, what is going on at the moment is a sad indictment of our society. This 'me first' greed attitude will break us.

Really?? How on earth would the army enforce a curfew? They're not going to shoot someone for not going home at 8pm
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 20, 2020, 12:15:43 PM
Really?? How on earth would the army enforce a curfew? They're not going to shoot someone for not going home at 8pm
Why not? I'd put them in the supermarkets aswell and anybody taking more than they need I'd shoot them aswell!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 20, 2020, 12:22:13 PM
Really?? How on earth would the army enforce a curfew? They're not going to shoot someone for not going home at 8pm

The army have been mobilised with an expectation to deploy and assist by mid April. That was on the news last night. I don’t think they are doing that for fun....

They are a resource available to assist, not to shoot people. Why can’t they assist enforcing a curfew?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 20, 2020, 12:30:34 PM
Really?? How on earth would the army enforce a curfew? They're not going to shoot someone for not going home at 8pm
"Reasonable force", the same as the cops, or for that matter any citizen protecting themselves.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2020, 12:39:16 PM
Why not? I'd put them in the supermarkets aswell and anybody taking more than they need I'd shoot them aswell!

And don't forget them London gangs who are still no doubt stabbing each other left right and centre over a bit of turf !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 20, 2020, 12:40:11 PM
Today was the first arrest of someone not self isolating when told to do so...

It’s all over sky and is possibly the PR required to just focus the mind a bit more ..

The supermarket issues goes one of two ways
There is plenty of back stocks and it may calm down
Or
Despite the backstocks, workers/drivers deplete due to illness and self isolation which means ....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 20, 2020, 12:48:08 PM
And don't forget them London gangs who are still no doubt stabbing each other left right and centre over a bit of turf !
Them aswell! Joking apart i am really annoyed about what's going in in the shops it's a disgrace. People should be ashamed of themselves but if they where they wouldn't be doing it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on March 20, 2020, 12:52:27 PM
And don't forget them London gangs who are still no doubt stabbing each other left right and centre over a bit of turf !

You just know a certain section of society will be so hungry due to food shortages that they'll be driven to smashing shop windows to nick TVs and laptops  ;) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 20, 2020, 02:14:23 PM
With self isolation, who are the yobs going to attack?
The little old ladies will be at home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 20, 2020, 02:33:18 PM
Today was the first arrest of someone not self isolating when told to do so...

It’s all over sky and is possibly the PR required to just focus the mind a bit more ..


The supermarket issues goes one of two ways
There is plenty of back stocks and it may calm down
Or
Despite the backstocks, workers/drivers deplete due to illness and self isolation which means ....

Apparently he went to the Isle of Man and ignored the requirement to self isolate for 14 days hence he was arrested
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 20, 2020, 04:13:02 PM
My local pub has took the decision to close down and shut's from 6.00pm tonight.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 20, 2020, 04:25:11 PM
My local pub has took the decision to close down and shut's from 6.00pm tonight.

LOCK IN!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 20, 2020, 04:34:37 PM
My local pub has took the decision to close down and shut's from 6.00pm tonight.

Boris will concentrate on London but I hope all Midlands follow

What is your local ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 20, 2020, 04:41:50 PM
Please read !

https://www.suffolkgazette.com/news/coronavirus-norfolk-vaccine/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 20, 2020, 04:42:04 PM
LOCK IN!!

I wish.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 20, 2020, 04:44:14 PM
Boris will concentrate on London but I hope all Midlands follow

What is your local ?

The Wheatsheaf  in Worcester. It is an Independent Pub.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 20, 2020, 05:44:15 PM
Jesus. Extraordinary measures outlined by the chancellor.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 05:54:18 PM
Italy suffers a death surge today of 627, total deaths 4,032. God help them, please
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 06:14:53 PM
COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK

Last updated: March 20th, 2020, 18:05 GMT

Coronavirus Cases: 266,240
Deaths: 11,187
Recovered: 90,603

UK
Total Cases: 3,269
New Cases: ???
Total Deaths: 184
New Deaths: 40
Total Recovered: 65

Not sure why the site isn’t showing new cases for the UK. Yet showing the 627 deaths in Spain today
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 20, 2020, 06:16:07 PM
All pubs closed, inevitable because people don't seem to get that we are in the middle of a national crisis and want to keep doing what they have always done.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 20, 2020, 06:27:56 PM
627 dead in Italy inn 24 hrs

Over 4K dead
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 20, 2020, 06:29:35 PM
Please read !

https://www.suffolkgazette.com/news/coronavirus-norfolk-vaccine/
Too late, it has already affected Dingle-land.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 07:03:02 PM
COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK

Last updated: March 20th, 2020, 18:05 GMT

Coronavirus Cases: 266,240
Deaths: 11,187
Recovered: 90,603

UK
Total Cases: 3,269
New Cases: ???
Total Deaths: 184
New Deaths: 40
Total Recovered: 65

Not sure why the site isn’t showing new cases for the UK. Yet showing the 627 deaths in Spain today

Just rechecked UK New Cases, now showing 714 and total deaths changed to 177, don’t know what is going on with this site, which has previously been reliable
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 20, 2020, 07:05:00 PM
Excellent from Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson

A Government supporting its people
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 07:11:42 PM
Latest from the CSA

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-scientific-evidence-supporting-the-uk-government-response
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 07:13:08 PM
Excellent from Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson

A Government supporting its people

No government could have done more in my view
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barrington on March 20, 2020, 07:38:34 PM
No government could have done more in my view

Absolutely agree. The government has shown that it is absolutely serious about this and are supporting the people. The least the people can do now is take this equally as seriously and be as responsible as possible from now on. The people have to do their bit. The more responsible people are from now on the quicker the possibility of getting back to some sort of normality. Not going to be a big fan of people acting irresponsibly from here on in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on March 20, 2020, 09:32:34 PM
I went to my local Tesco this morning for the over 70’s hour; a complete waste of time. Lots of people well under 70 in there and as the store had already been open for three hours, the shelves had been stripped by the greedy b******s. Why don’t people just shop as normal? There’s no threat to food or bog rolls. Too many idiots about.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 20, 2020, 10:09:40 PM
I'm self employed, work from home and not entitled to either of those so where do I stand if my income drops ?

I hope the governments new aid measure for the self employed offer some assistance to you.

Good luck
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 20, 2020, 10:18:00 PM
Basically a wartime command economy
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 20, 2020, 10:23:41 PM
Excellent from Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson

A Government supporting its people
Do you really think they made the decision? Let’s not make this a political argument.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 20, 2020, 10:26:40 PM
Basically a wartime command economy
What does that mean?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 20, 2020, 10:43:34 PM
What does that mean?
Everything controlled by central government - production, supply, wages, freedoms/restrictions.  Very hard to turn back the clock quickly afterwards, the centralisation during WW2 made the post-war Labour nationalisation programme possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on March 20, 2020, 11:16:59 PM
Excellent from Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson

A Government supporting its people
I hope the Government are only being led by the scientists' advice i.e. the people who are best qualified to understand the virus, and the medical professionals, who have to provide the services.
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 21, 2020, 10:06:32 AM
No pubs, no clubs, no gyms 2020 .

BABY BOOM 2021. DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS UP 2021. REGISTRATION TO JOIN WEIGHT WATCHES UP 2021. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 21, 2020, 10:13:44 AM

BABY BOOM 2021. DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS UP 2021. REGISTRATION TO JOIN WEIGHT WATCHES UP 2021. ;D ;D ;D

This all down to you, Kev?  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 21, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
another  300 passed away in Spain
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gerry m on March 21, 2020, 11:32:46 AM
I went to my local Tesco this morning for the over 70’s hour; a complete waste of time. Lots of people well under 70 in there and as the store had already been open for three hours, the shelves had been stripped by the greedy b******s. Why don’t people just shop as normal? There’s no threat to food or bog rolls. Too many idiots about.

Was in my local Tesco this morning and a poor cashier had been reduced to tears by two Chinese women who had been abusive to her. Utter scum some people.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 21, 2020, 11:36:47 AM
No pubs, no clubs, no gyms 2020 .

BABY BOOM 2021. DIVORCE PROCEEDINGS UP 2021. REGISTRATION TO JOIN WEIGHT WATCHES UP 2021. ;D ;D ;D
This is going to test the existing cracks in marriages, mine DEFINITELY included.  :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 21, 2020, 05:35:42 PM
Italy records 793 coronavirus deaths in one day

It goes from bad to worse for the long suffering peoples of Italy
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 21, 2020, 05:41:21 PM
We are at the exact same point as Italy were 14 days ago.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETnkmYSXsAAMK3M?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 21, 2020, 06:42:06 PM
Great gesture from the club.

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/1024680408?-11200:789

They’ve put together parcels full of food and essentials for those who are based at Sandwell and West Birmingham Hospitals NHS Trust, and they’ve been gratefully received as you’d quite imagine.

Michael, a nurse, shared a photo on Twitter of the parcels that had been put together by Albion and were set to be distributed imminently.

“Totally overwhelmed today by the absolutely amazing generosity of all at @WBA FC,” Michael wrote. “Behind me are 35 MASSIVE food parcels they have donated to the frontline NHS heroes @SWBHnhs.

“Words can’t express how grateful we are.”
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 21, 2020, 08:53:19 PM
I am going to have a big problem with my missus, in the last two days she keeps breaking down when she hears any news on this virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 21, 2020, 09:22:00 PM
I am going to have a big problem with my missus, in the last two days she keeps breaking down when she hears any news on this virus.

I feel for your wife and for you as you have to support and reassure her when all the news appears to be negative. But, there are some positives that are not always obvious.

There is no easy answer and the fact many others are suffering is no consolation. It’s not easy to just turn off from the news, it’s all round us and there is little escaping it. But if you minimise her exposure to all the negativity and keep reassuring her, it can only help, particularly coming from someone she loves and trusts.

Have you tried searching the NHS web site to see if they have any advice to offer? The NHS 111 service is under pressure, but if you are still worried you could try them. I daresay you are in volunteer isolation, which makes it difficult for family and friends to visit and for you to get out to the doctors. Isolation itself is not health for us humans and just adds to the worry, we all need social interaction, currently, we find ourself between the devil and the deep blue sea.

I always find that when I’m under the weather, or fed up, listening to music is a good tonic and medicine, as is watching some old TV comedy shows like the Two Ronnies, Open All Hours, you know the type and I’m sure your wife has a favourite comedy show. I would steer well clear of soaps as they are depressing even when we aren’t in the middle of a pandemic.

The best of luck, but importantly take care of  yourself so that you are be able to take care of your wife.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 21, 2020, 09:39:43 PM
I feel for your wife and for you as you have to support and reassure her when all the news appears to be negative. But, there are some positives that are not always obvious.

There is no easy answer and the fact many others are suffering is no consolation. It’s not easy to just turn off from the news, it’s all round us and there is little escaping it. But if you minimise her exposure to all the negativity and keep reassuring her, it can only help, particularly coming from someone she loves and trusts.

Have you tried searching the NHS web site to see if they have any advice to offer? The NHS 111 service is under pressure, but if you are still worried you could try them. I daresay you are in volunteer isolation, which makes it difficult for family and friends to visit and for you to get out to the doctors. Isolation itself is not health for us humans and just adds to the worry, we all need social interaction, currently, we find ourself between the devil and the deep blue sea.

I always find that when I’m under the weather, or fed up, listening to music is a good tonic and medicine, as is watching some old TV comedy shows like the Two Ronnies, Open All Hours, you know the type and I’m sure your wife has a favourite comedy show. I would steer well clear of soaps as they are depressing even when we aren’t in the middle of a pandemic.

The best of luck, but importantly take care of  yourself so that you are be able to take care of your wife.

A million thanks AlbionFan.  I will take on board what you have said, yes we are in voluntary isolation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 21, 2020, 09:50:36 PM
I have been trying to stay strong and positive for my family, but today i had a wobble our 6 year old Granddaughter came as she usually does on a Saturday. She was in the kitchen with her Nan and started to cry this started my Mrs off she called me into the Kitchen i asked what was wrong, my Granddaughter said if we go into lock down  i'm going to miss you and Nan so much. She was heartbroken how to you explain or answer that?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 21, 2020, 10:00:05 PM
A million thanks AlbionFan.  I will take on board what you have said, yes we are in voluntary isolation.

Hi Kev,

I found this on the NHS web site which may help

https://www.nhs.uk/oneyou/every-mind-matters/coronavirus-covid-19-staying-at-home-tips/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 21, 2020, 10:07:18 PM
I was contacted by email today by a cousin of my wife’s.

He has formed a group from his email contacts with purpose of keeping in regular touch by emailing all and anything to each other just to support each other, which I thought was a good idea. I don’t know many on the list, so hopefully will be making new friends.

It’s a bit like westbrom.com, but without the westbrom  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 21, 2020, 10:12:25 PM
Hi Kev,

I found this on the NHS web site which may help

https://www.nhs.uk/oneyou/every-mind-matters/coronavirus-covid-19-staying-at-home-tips/

Thanks will look at that in the morning. I am bloody drained now and need some sleep. Once again Thanks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 21, 2020, 10:17:20 PM
There's an app called House Party - you can do a group video chat. It's worth it. Be aware, people can connect and start a video chat without you having to answer!

I've had to cancel meeting my mum and sisters tomorrow, Cornwall has had it's first deaths - 4 in fact and the numbers doubling in the county in 1 day coupled with people coming down here i've asked my mum what the actual point is in taking silly risks like that for a day that is essentially just to sell cards.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2020, 10:19:16 PM
I went for a 5 mile walk with the dogs and Mrs today, the few folks we did see we kept a decent space between us and them. 
I have to say that I felt knackered but much better after making the effort to get away from the house / tv and what feels like 24 /7 gloom.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 21, 2020, 10:20:32 PM
Good luck everyone, these are very tough times, but try to remember the vast, vast majority of us will come through it. Stay safe, stay at home to protect those who can't, and stay positive.


Even in darkness it is possible to create light.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 21, 2020, 10:29:39 PM
Good luck everyone, these are very tough times, but try to remember the vast, vast majority of us will come through it. Stay safe, stay at home to protect those who can't, and stay positive.


Even in darkness it is possible to create light.
well said pal,
I honestly think if you can do a bit for someone else it lifts you as well, lets all find a little way to help each other !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: dangerman on March 21, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
Hope everyone is doing ok!

I've been amazed at how the country has come together and is supporting each other and not so impressed with other who see this as a big excuse to party.

Anyway, I've had a few wobbles. Seeing the video from the hosptial in Italy with all those people on ventilators.

Having experienced that with my daughter a few years ago I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

What I can say from my experience is don't under estimate the power of washing your hands properly. It may seem basic but if done properly it saves lives.

If you can just stay at home, paint the living room, play chess, chat to your wife  :o just don't go out.

My daughter is having to isolate now for 12 weeks and were not sure how that affects us a parents. Logic suggest we should do the same however finances and job roles will dictate that largely. Fortunately, I can work from home but my other half has to go in (but looking at ways of her staying off work hopefully (he says from a selfish point of view)).

Again, I've seen first hand how bugs can travel quickly (all be it in a hosptial) but interestingly I have seen it quickly get isolated and controlled if advise is followed. It does work.

Just hope people start listening to advice before it's too late
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 22, 2020, 04:47:40 AM
Good luck everyone, these are very tough times, but try to remember the vast, vast majority of us will come through it. Stay safe, stay at home to protect those who can't, and stay positive.


Even in darkness it is possible to create light.
Careful Jacko you are messing with the Dingles motto there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiedom on March 22, 2020, 05:38:22 AM
Im worried tbh i got high blood pressure and asthma, still at work delivering all over the country. Coming to stage now thinking about staying at home, i am taking the precautions that being told but lots of people are not. Really don't know what to do next🤔
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on March 22, 2020, 08:30:37 AM
Hope everyone is doing ok!

I've been amazed at how the country has come together and is supporting each other and not so impressed with other who see this as a big excuse to party.

Anyway, I've had a few wobbles. Seeing the video from the hosptial in Italy with all those people on ventilators.

Having experienced that with my daughter a few years ago I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

What I can say from my experience is don't under estimate the power of washing your hands properly. It may seem basic but if done properly it saves lives.

If you can just stay at home, paint the living room, play chess, chat to your wife  :o just don't go out.

My daughter is having to isolate now for 12 weeks and were not sure how that affects us a parents. Logic suggest we should do the same however finances and job roles will dictate that largely. Fortunately, I can work from home but my other half has to go in (but looking at ways of her staying off work hopefully (he says from a selfish point of view)).

Again, I've seen first hand how bugs can travel quickly (all be it in a hosptial) but interestingly I have seen it quickly get isolated and controlled if advise is followed. It does work.

Just hope people start listening to advice before it's too late

Keeps me going, mate. on-line (live)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 11:07:54 AM
Some good news, Worcester based G-Tech have responded to government appeals and have transformed their garden tools and vacuum cleaner production line in to making ventilators.

They estimate they can make 1,000 per day. Initial estimates suggested that 30,000 would be required, that figure will probably increase, but we can do it, we are British, Rule Britannia!

 When Britain first, at Heaven's command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain:
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

The nations, not so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall;
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful, from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine:
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles thine.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coast repair;
Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crown'd,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

To anything or no one!

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2020, 03:42:57 PM
Careful Jacko you are messing with the Dingles motto there.


Quote is from the author Elie Wiesel.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 22, 2020, 05:40:56 PM
5.5k dead in italy now wow  :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 05:43:42 PM
More good news, the nights are drawing out, its lighter later, there are not so many grey, damp days, we are getting a bit more sunshine, today has been a gorgeous day and makes you feel good to be alive, spring, a time of renewing is upon us, all of which are great tonics and makes you feel better and, importantly, gin also goes with tonic  :D

Keep your peckers up, we will all get through this!

Boing, Boing!! Come on you Baggie Boys!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 22, 2020, 05:57:05 PM
Stay apart and stick together.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 06:01:59 PM
Stay apart and stick together.

What a great slogan Droitwich, I think we all should, for the time being anyway, use your slogan as our strap line. Just popping off to do it now!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on March 22, 2020, 06:23:42 PM
When all this is all over, which will be several months, and WBA have been promoted to the Greed League, wouldn’t it be great to have a giant westbrom.com pi$$ up, put all our differences aside and, we’ll, just drink and be merry?

Oh, and if our dear Mr Lai comes over, make sure that he does 14 days quarantine before he buys all our beer!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 22, 2020, 06:39:38 PM
I go out walking most days, the car is the cleanest it's been for months, starting on a bedroom refurb next week, started work on the garden today as well, keep busy, keep happy.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 22, 2020, 06:56:14 PM
More good news, the nights are drawing out, its lighter later, there are not so many grey, damp days, we are getting a bit more sunshine, today has been a gorgeous day and makes you feel good to be alive, spring, a time of renewing is upon us, all of which are great tonics and makes you feel better and, importantly, gin also goes with tonic  :D

Keep your peckers up, we will all get through this!

Boing, Boing!! Come on you Baggie Boys!!
When you tie in the reports yesterday of people headed to the beaches and parks and today’s 'fresh air doesn’t make you immune', it’s not difficult to surmise that an outside ban is on the cards. And there was me thinking this problem isn’t air born.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 22, 2020, 07:02:28 PM
When you tie in the reports yesterday of people headed to the beaches and parks and today’s 'fresh air doesn’t make you immune', it’s not difficult to surmise that an outside ban is on the cards. And there was me thinking this problem isn’t air born.

If we end up with a lock down, thank the idiots who have not been distancing themselves from other people, the Friday night pub scenes were a disgrace,  Ireland has troops on the streets moving on the alchoholics congregating on the streets, I suspect we will have similar here very soon.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 07:11:27 PM
When you tie in the reports yesterday of people headed to the beaches and parks and today’s 'fresh air doesn’t make you immune', it’s not difficult to surmise that an outside ban is on the cards. And there was me thinking this problem isn’t air born.

There was I, trying to spread a little bit of positivity, but he ho.

Only a vaccine will make you immune, fresh air won’t harm you, but close proximity in the fresh might pass the virus on.

I really hope we don’t have a lockdown as I think that would be lighting the blue touch paper for some
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 22, 2020, 07:27:53 PM
What a great slogan Droitwich, I think we all should, for the time being anyway, use your slogan as our strap line. Just popping off to do it now!
You can also turn it around by saying "Stick together and stay apart".
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 22, 2020, 08:29:30 PM
AlbionFan I would like to thank you for your words of support yesterday.

The missus is still a little bit upset but no where near has bad has she was yesterday and that is due to your help.

Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 08:37:37 PM
I wonder, when all this is over, will all those stockpilers of toilet rolls, hold parties to get rid of their excess?

I’m prepared to bring my own sprouts and beans to help out  :D

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 08:51:11 PM
AlbionFan I would like to thank you for your words of support yesterday.

The missus is still a little bit upset but no where near has bad has she was yesterday and that is due to your help.

Thanks a lot.

Hello Kev, we all need to look after each other, spouses, kids, relatives, best mates and strangers.

Take care and stay safe
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 22, 2020, 09:07:30 PM
News surfacing that Russia have released 500 lions on to their streets to ensure people stay in doors.

It’s fake news, allegedly. But I‘m betting some of you guys will have a quip or two about this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 22, 2020, 09:08:46 PM
AlbionFan I would like to thank you for your words of support yesterday.

The missus is still a little bit upset but no where near has bad has she was yesterday and that is due to your help.

Thanks a lot.

AlbionFan is a good egg! He/You've said a lot to me in my Relocating to Australia thread and that's a bit in the air now as we have to activate our visas before December, I'm hoping the offer extensions if things go on too long or it affects travel long term.

That and the fact i manage a Residential Care home with a young chap with many underlying health issues that i think a lot of and i have asthma means that Coronavirus is annoying me on many levels!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 22, 2020, 11:29:23 PM
Just s thought and it might be too simplistic but, were our top people saying a while back if we can get to the summer with the warmer weather it should help get rid of this virus?
But its pretty warm in Italy and Spain and its a disaster their.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 23, 2020, 05:05:28 AM
Just s thought and it might be too simplistic but, were our top people saying a while back if we can get to the summer with the warmer weather it should help get rid of this virus?
But its pretty warm in Italy and Spain and its a disaster their.
It may be warmer in direct sunlight, but ambient temperatures aren’t exactly tropical. I think the problem with Mediterranean populations are that they are very physical with their greetings.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 23, 2020, 07:46:46 AM
Just s thought and it might be too simplistic but, were our top people saying a while back if we can get to the summer with the warmer weather it should help get rid of this virus?
But its pretty warm in Italy and Spain and its a disaster their.
I think Feb is the coldest, dampest month in Italy, they often get snow then,not 100% sure though.  It does seem to be worse int he North though where it is definitely colder.

I heard that about warmer drier weather too, that assumes the virus behaves like flu/common cold

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 23, 2020, 07:46:57 AM
Just s thought and it might be too simplistic but, were our top people saying a while back if we can get to the summer with the warmer weather it should help get rid of this virus?
But its pretty warm in Italy and Spain and its a disaster their.

My understanding is its not the warmer weather but two other things. More day light = more uv light which destroys the virus faster, a matter of hours instead of days. People also dont congregate inside as much and start spending more time outdoors.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 23, 2020, 07:56:25 AM
My understanding is its not the warmer weather but two other things. More day light = more uv light which destroys the virus faster, a matter of hours instead of days. People also dont congregate inside as much and start spending more time outdoors.

Correct, that is what I have read as well,.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 23, 2020, 08:19:09 AM
https://fullfact.org/health/could-coronavirus-be-stopped-by-warmer-weather/

They don't know yet, they're hoping it does but it still comes with its own challenges.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 10:03:13 AM
AlbionFan is a good egg! He/You've said a lot to me in my Relocating to Australia thread and that's a bit in the air now as we have to activate our visas before December, I'm hoping the offer extensions if things go on too long or it affects travel long term.

That and the fact i manage a Residential Care home with a young chap with many underlying health issues that i think a lot of and i have asthma means that Coronavirus is annoying me on many levels!

Hi lewisant thank you for the comments.

I think there are many other members and mods on here who are also "good eggs"
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 10:04:38 AM
https://fullfact.org/health/could-coronavirus-be-stopped-by-warmer-weather/

They don't know yet, they're hoping it does but it still comes with its own challenges.

I posted the link below earlier in this thread, it's worth a read

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/umsom-virologists-use-weather-modeling-data-to-predict-potential-spread-and-seasonality-for-covid-19
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 10:18:07 AM
Right, Monday morning it is and I'm feeling a little lethargic, it's time to blow a few viruses away and what better way to get the blood circulating and the heart racing than with a bit of stirring and patriotic music from Worcestershire's greatest classic composer, Sir Edward Elgar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEWpK_Dl7M

Enjoy! Stay Safe!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 23, 2020, 10:43:13 AM
Right, Monday morning it is and I'm feeling a little lethargic, it's time to blow a few viruses away and what better way to get the blood circulating and the heart racing than with a bit of stirring and patriotic music from Worcestershire's greatest classic composer, Sir Edward Elgar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEWpK_Dl7M

Enjoy! Stay Safe!

BOSTIN  ;D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 11:10:09 AM
News surfacing that Russia have released 500 lions on to their streets to ensure people stay in doors.

It’s fake news, allegedly. But I‘m betting some of you guys will have a quip or two about this.

I'm betting one of the them was called "Lenin" the Lion  :D

Might be a bit old that for some younger forum members
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 23, 2020, 11:43:44 AM
Leonid, I think you'll find !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 23, 2020, 11:53:00 AM
"We are going to beat this thing" said the woman who two days ago was in bits about this virus. :o

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 23, 2020, 11:55:26 AM
BOSTIN  ;D

Phew! just watched that and found myself with tears running down my cheeks !

Thank you
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 23, 2020, 12:09:50 PM
Phew! just watched that and found myself with tears running down my cheeks !

Thank you

Want some more tears?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wJXVT5Ta4w

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 23, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
Right, Monday morning it is and I'm feeling a little lethargic, it's time to blow a few viruses away and what better way to get the blood circulating and the heart racing than with a bit of stirring and patriotic music from Worcestershire's greatest classic composer, Sir Edward Elgar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpEWpK_Dl7M

Enjoy! Stay Safe!
Should be our national anthem.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 12:39:39 PM
"We are going to beat this thing" said the woman who two days ago was in bits about this virus. :o

Good for her and well done to you in supporting
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 23, 2020, 12:50:52 PM
Just done a 5 mile walk, most people keeping their distance
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 12:51:38 PM
Want some more tears?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wJXVT5Ta4w

Fantastic kc56wba and reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANWXW65zH28

and the original

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvouc8Qs_MI

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 01:17:55 PM
And then, of course, there is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVsYJjaAvFI

and this unforgettable version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4160hxEuqg

The only Country to have won the Football World Cup, The Rugby World Cup and The Cricket World Cup - Covid-19 has no chance!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 23, 2020, 02:28:21 PM
I just had a run and there were much fewer people, saw an elderly couple and we kept our distance and smiled but that was all. Maybe people are being more sensible today.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
this thread spreading quicker than you know what. with the threat of lockdown folk behaving more so today. my daughter lives by Snowdon and she said over the weekend it was busier than a bank holiday
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 23, 2020, 03:46:53 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-thieves-steal-essex-schools-food-meant-for-key-workers-children-11962320

Discusting.
Have they no morals?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 23, 2020, 03:49:53 PM
this thread spreading quicker than you know what. with the threat of lockdown folk behaving more so today. my daughter lives by Snowdon and she said over the weekend it was busier than a bank holiday


Snowdonia NP biggest day ever apparently.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 23, 2020, 04:09:05 PM
If there is a spread then it will be happening at supermarkets

Some of the photos and footage from the weekend has been utterly ridiculous.

The Government really need to step in.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 23, 2020, 04:35:07 PM
I can't get a slot on Tesco, Morrisons, Iceland nor ASDA. (I have used all 4 in the past years) Normally I just use Tesco, now.
I am self isolating, so how do I get deliveries?
I could join the queues and either catch or spread the disease.
It seems that because some can't stockpile by going to the different shops, they are doing it this way.
We need the local grocer to get his van out again and deliver as they used to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 23, 2020, 04:49:15 PM
I've just had a text message from NHS saying that my wife and I are 2 of the 1:5 million at risk and to stay indoors for 12 weeks!
We new we would have to but it was still a shock to my wife whose had a really tough time of it over the years.
So here we go .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 23, 2020, 05:00:23 PM
I've just had a text message from NHS saying that my wife and I are 2 of the 1:5 million at risk and to stay indoors for 12 weeks!
We new we would have to but it was still a shock to my wife whose had a really tough time of it over the years.
So here we go .
Good luck mate keep your pecker up and take care.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 23, 2020, 05:37:55 PM
I've just had a text message from NHS saying that my wife and I are 2 of the 1:5 million at risk and to stay indoors for 12 weeks!
We new we would have to but it was still a shock to my wife whose had a really tough time of it over the years.
So here we go .
It's funny, myself and my wife rarely go out any way.
(We were supposed to be goiong on holiday to Gran Canaria on Thursday)
Being self isolating is strange. It is because we shouldn't go out which is unusual.
My wife has her knitting, and I shall be gardening and decorating.
Best of luck and try to relax a bit more. Nothing can really be done until it is all over.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 05:47:42 PM
Martin Lewis Twitter Account

Self-employed help update:

1. I've confirmation govt is on this right now. It aims to make further help announcement this week, once its watertight. So hold on.

2. Apply for Uni credit. Housing pay changes mean it may be bigger than you think, inc some circs £1500+/mth untaxed
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 23, 2020, 05:55:36 PM
Universal Credit is a pain in the **** but they WILL NOT backdate it, so if you need it, apply immediately.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
I've just had a text message from NHS saying that my wife and I are 2 of the 1:5 million at risk and to stay indoors for 12 weeks!
We new we would have to but it was still a shock to my wife whose had a really tough time of it over the years.
So here we go .

We are waiting for a similar letter, we are self isolating, but when you get written confirmation like you have, it becomes real.

Stay safe, keep in touch electronically, by distance or any other method that doesn't require close contact with family, friends and westbrom.com, which will prove to be a great support system for us all in the coming weeks and months.

Our youngest son came round today, normally he comes in, we hug and kiss, but today he wouldn't come in and there was no physical contact, I found that very difficult. But, in the long term its for the best.

Like the old Highway Code use to advise when driving "Keep Your Distance"
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on March 23, 2020, 06:01:58 PM
Further restrictions expected at 7pm.

Watch those who have stockpiled use this as vindication for their actions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 06:08:13 PM
Prime Minister Boris Johnson to address the nation at 8:30 PM this evening
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 23, 2020, 06:53:34 PM
Thanks for all the kind messages guys and the same to you,keep calm and carry on,well indoors anyway.
Just to add a bit more spice to our predicament,were selling a flat and its almost sold ,this week hopefully to a lovely lady from.....you guessed it Italy!
She's pulling her hair out shes not allowed out either,so double worries all round.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 07:08:37 PM
More good news,

Number of ventilators have increased from 5,000 to 12,000 says @MattHancock #coronavirus
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 23, 2020, 08:51:17 PM
Thanks to the people who would not stay at home and keep isolated, futher clamp down, just brilliant!😠
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 23, 2020, 08:58:47 PM
Thanks to the people who would not stay at home and keep isolated, futher clamp down, just brilliant!😠


I imagine it would have come to this anyway, but this weekend has certainly expedited it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 23, 2020, 09:05:52 PM
Thanks to the people who would not stay at home and keep isolated, futher clamp down, just brilliant!😠
probably the same selfish tossers who have been stockpiling. My Mrs as copd and as been staying in  but thanks to these people i have to keep going out to try and get essentials.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 09:09:53 PM
My understanding, from the PM’s address to the nation is, we are not on total lockdown like Italy and Spain are for example

Reading in detail the paper published after the PM’s announcement, we are in a form of lockdown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 23, 2020, 09:17:29 PM
it was inevitable, but as Jacko says this weekends events expedited it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 23, 2020, 09:29:35 PM
Open Prison rather than Wormwood Scrubs
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 23, 2020, 09:34:00 PM
I've just had a text message from NHS saying that my wife and I are 2 of the 1:5 million at risk and to stay indoors for 12 weeks!
We new we would have to but it was still a shock to my wife whose had a really tough time of it over the years.
So here we go .

Keep strong liverbaggie.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 23, 2020, 09:35:53 PM
YEs stay strong Liverbaggie. All the best to you and yours.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 23, 2020, 09:50:29 PM
check in each day please dude, we might be remote but we can give you some moral support (and vice versa).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 23, 2020, 09:56:04 PM
This is a Lockdown. There is no curfew or military mobilisation but mark my words that will be next. It's almost as if the people of this country need everything spelled out.


The message is simple. If you're not a key worker stay at home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dexy on March 23, 2020, 10:07:54 PM
Not quite a lockdown but another weekend like last will see a full one although we dont have enough Police at the best of times let alone now .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 23, 2020, 10:12:05 PM
Not quite a lockdown but another weekend like last will see a full one although we dont have enough Police at the best of times let alone now .

Send in the Army.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 23, 2020, 10:22:32 PM
Not quite a lockdown but another weekend like last will see a full one although we dont have enough Police at the best of times let alone now .

I agree, it is not a full blown lockdown as those being experienced in Italy and Spain, where civil guards and the army are patrolling the streets of major cities. In Spain there is a €25,000 fine for unauthorised travel, we are not at those levels nonetheless we are in a soft lockdown at the moment in comparison

Stay Safe!

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 23, 2020, 11:07:00 PM
Tonight you may have seen a report on Sky News about the death of a man in Birmingham from corona.
His son and daughter were interviewed on their doorstep, his son is my brothers best mate .
5hit just become horribly real 😢

Please stay in, look after yourselves and in doing that help everybody else.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 24, 2020, 01:53:08 AM
Send in the Army.

Kev, its going to happen, but what amazed me last week when I said that this was going to happen I got some naive comment about them shooting people. I am struggling with the mentality of some who think that the precautions don't apply to them. The scenes at Hyde park [and many other places] and the 'lets go out for a final beer' morons beggar belief.

This is going to get a lot worse and the army are required to keep law and order and to assist the police. I for one fully support them.

We have met so you know me; I find myself in the vulnerable group as I do not have a spleen [surgically removed] and this virus is a serious risk to me.

If any of you have stockpiled toilet roll and pasta, or stood in queues waiting to get into a supermarket, or gone down the pub and basically ignored the advice given by Boris, then you need to think about what you have done. Wreckless beyond belief.

As others have pointed out, we are two weeks behind Italy, and that is horrendous, so buckle up chaps.......we are in for a hell of a time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 24, 2020, 04:10:24 AM
Kev, its going to happen, but what amazed me last week when I said that this was going to happen I got some naive comment about them shooting people. I am struggling with the mentality of some who think that the precautions don't apply to them. The scenes at Hyde park [and many other places] and the 'lets go out for a final beer' morons beggar belief.

This is going to get a lot worse and the army are required to keep law and order and to assist the police. I for one fully support them.

We have met so you know me; I find myself in the vulnerable group as I do not have a spleen [surgically removed] and this virus is a serious risk to me.

If any of you have stockpiled toilet roll and pasta, or stood in queues waiting to get into a supermarket, or gone down the pub and basically ignored the advice given by Boris, then you need to think about what you have done. Wreckless beyond belief.

As others have pointed out, we are two weeks behind Italy, and that is horrendous, so buckle up chaps.......we are in for a hell of a time.


Let's not go pointing fingers at members on here, well out of order; also this 2 weeks behind Italy stuff is a misnomer, our curve is already flattening, and Italy leaked the lockdown of Lombardy before they could enforce it. Totally different scenarios that msm push as the same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 24, 2020, 08:11:37 AM

Let's not go pointing fingers at members on here, well out of order; also this 2 weeks behind Italy stuff is a misnomer, our curve is already flattening, and Italy leaked the lockdown of Lombardy before they could enforce it. Totally different scenarios that msm push as the same.


You're right London is very much different from Lombardy, in that the export of cases has been much worse across the country (It is after all more densely packed, and the transport hub of the whole country). Where have you seen the UK has flattened the curve I'm under the impression we are ahead of them now in a like for like comparison?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/23/coronavirus-deaths-italy-rising-faster-uk/



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tommcneill on March 24, 2020, 08:38:03 AM
This is a Lockdown. There is no curfew or military mobilisation but mark my words that will be next. It's almost as if the people of this country need everything spelled out.


The message is simple. If you're not a key worker stay at home.

The amount of people im hearing saying that Boris's words were misleading is astounding....

Its almost like it needs spelling out to them mate.....just stay at home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 24, 2020, 08:49:34 AM
It's not that they're misleading, they're just still vague.

Don't go to work, unless you have to.
Don't go out to meet anyone, unless it's just one person.
Don't go out, unless you're going for some exercise or walking the dog.

The problem is that people and companies aren't using common sense so will find any loophole they can. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 24, 2020, 08:54:57 AM
The problem is the great areas of cities where the residents see themselves as a law unto themselves and anything a cop/politician/teacher/even a nurse/firefighter or paramedic says to them is automatically to be defied, and carefree drug dealers cycle round with their stash in their socks.  Before all this, ambulances and fire engines were regularly attacked, the police wouldn't go out a night except in full vans with the grill down, so god knows what it will be like now.  We like to think we're a united country, but we're not, hospitals are already being targeted for thefts.

I hope the Army is on standby with snatch squads at the ready and cold, damp holding pens awaiting with nowt but bread and water to eat.  And I'm a leftie!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: darbolina on March 24, 2020, 09:17:31 AM
It doesn't seem to be just rough parts of cities . People not paying attention seem to be varied and across the board as far as I can see. There's almost an attitude of  ah, it'll be alright. I'll start isolating when it gets really serious. In the meantime, I'll stock up on beer just in case and spend a few nice days in the sun out and about.

My colleague at work is in Northern Italy (Lombardy) and she says exactly the same attitude was/ is there and hence it keeps spreading, silently but quite quickly week after week. She says it's like a train, gathering pace week after week and once it's going, it's very hard to stop.

This Coronavirus fight will be as much about winning hearts and minds as well as the very obvious health/ NHS battle.

Maybe the trouble is a lot of people have been told to not trust experts, have had little faith in politicians and think the financial system has been rigged against them.  Maybe this is the time when people have to pick a side. To me this is a time to trust the government and experts fully and simply stay at home because this isn't about anything other than saving (thousands maybe tens of thousands of) lives.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 24, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
If the silent majority do what we usually do and tow the line & observe government advice we will come through this quicker and with less damage than if we all disregard the advice,.

However, the scum will do what scum does regardless, when the owner of Sports direct tries to argue that his stores are "key outlets" yet "Eileen of Halesowen" is on the radio asking by phone if she can visit her terminally ill husband of 40 years in hospital, it tells you all we need to know about certain sections of our society.

I have to agree that the authorities should now impose martial law and if you don't have evidence of "key worker status" on you, you take the consequences, this is now necessary for all our sakes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 10:43:18 AM
If you would like UK Gov daily Covid-19 email updates

You can sign up here


https://www.gov.uk/email-signup?link=/government/topical-events/coronavirus-covid-19-uk-government-response
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: silver surfer on March 24, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
The government need to take the initiative regarding closing building sites as most construction companies will be very mindful of the potential for missed deadlines and punitive financial penalties.
There aren’t many industries like construction where the client - contractor relationship is usually Luke warm at best and the pursuit of breach of contract is commonplace.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 24, 2020, 11:15:32 AM
The government need to take the initiative regarding closing building sites as most construction companies will be very mindful of the potential for missed deadlines and punitive financial penalties.
There aren’t many industries like construction where the client - contractor relationship is usually Luke warm at best and the pursuit of breach of contract is commonplace.

i had an excursion into construction for about 6 years, the most hostile / aggressive and plain nasty industry I have worked in, I don't envy anyone working in that environment and its all driven by the ludicrous contracts people sign to "win" business
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 24, 2020, 11:22:53 AM
My wife as just had the dreaded text telling her to stay home for 3 months. We knew it was coming but it's left her in bits.she can't stand the thought of not seeing the grand kids.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 11:23:01 AM
The government need to take the initiative regarding closing building sites as most construction companies will be very mindful of the potential for missed deadlines and punitive financial penalties.
There aren’t many industries like construction where the client - contractor relationship is usually Luke warm at best and the pursuit of breach of contract is commonplace.

I always thought that contracts between the client and the contractor included a “Force Majeure” element to them to cover unforeseeable events where no blame can be attached to either party, as our current situation is.

Additionally, there is the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 that a party to a contract could, not unreasonably, rely on in a dispute of this nature should it occur.
It’s been a good few years since I had dealings in construction contracts, so I could be miles out of date.

I saw video's this morning of motorways leading into London with three solid lanes of traffic. However, it was my understanding from last nights PM's broadcast, that people who can't work from home can still go to work if they have a choice and their employer allows it and by using a car to do so is much safer than using public transport.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 11:32:03 AM
Right, we've had a fair dose of doom and gloom this morning, now it's time for a touch of good old fashioned British classic comedy to lighten things up and put a smile back on faces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV1IP4N9ajg
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 24, 2020, 11:34:28 AM
people who can't work from home can still go to work if they have a choice and their employer allows it

Now, I understood it completely differently, ie My understanding is Stay at home. unless you are a key worker, or shopping for essentials (ie food / pharmacy), or taking exercise once a day. To do otherwise is enforceable by the police, and I have to say that this seemed absolutely crystal clear to me, no ambiguity, no negotiation, crystal clear.

If numpties try to claim they are key workers when they are clearly not, on their heads be it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: silver surfer on March 24, 2020, 11:45:32 AM
I always thought that contracts between the client and the contractor included a “Force Majeure” element to them to cover unforeseeable events where no blame can be attached to either party, as our current situation is.

Additionally, there is the Unfair Contract Terms Act 1977 that a party to a contract could, not unreasonably, rely on in a dispute of this nature should it occur.
It’s been a good few years since I had dealings in construction contracts, so I could be miles out of date.

I saw video's this morning of motorways leading into London with three solid lanes of traffic. However, it was my understanding from last nights PM's broadcast, that people who can't work from home can still go to work if they have a choice and their employer allows it and by using a car to do so is much safer than using public transport.
That’s correct most contracts do include a force majeure clause, however given the amount of time that has elapsed since the initial outbreak and the hard evidence of other countries who are further down the line with the effects of the virus it’s hard to see how it could be considered an unforeseen act of god.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 11:49:43 AM
people who can't work from home can still go to work if they have a choice and their employer allows it

Now, I understood it completely differently, ie My understanding is Stay at home. unless you are a key worker, or shopping for essentials (ie food / pharmacy), or taking exercise once a day. To do otherwise is enforceable by the police, and I have to say that this seemed absolutely crystal clear to me, no ambiguity, no negotiation, crystal clear.

If numpties try to claim they are key workers when they are clearly not, on their heads be it.

This is a snippet from this mornings Telegraph

What are the rules?

Mr Johnson has said you will only be able to leave your house for one of four reasons:

1. Shopping for necessities
2. Once a day for exercise
3. Medical need or providing care
4. Travelling to or from work (if you can't work from home)

Contrary to what people and sections of the media are saying, we are not yet in a full lockdown as Italy and Spain are
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 24, 2020, 11:50:08 AM
people who can't work from home can still go to work if they have a choice and their employer allows it

Now, I understood it completely differently, ie My understanding is Stay at home. unless you are a key worker, or shopping for essentials (ie food / pharmacy), or taking exercise once a day. To do otherwise is enforceable by the police, and I have to say that this seemed absolutely crystal clear to me, no ambiguity, no negotiation, crystal clear.

If numpties try to claim they are key workers when they are clearly not, on their heads be it.

The chap over the road from me works for Worcester University he says he is classed as key worker not his words but the university's words. BTW he is a head porter.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 24, 2020, 11:56:57 AM
This is a snippet from this mornings Telegraph

What are the rules?

Mr Johnson has said you will only be able to leave your house for one of four reasons:

1. Shopping for necessities
2. Once a day for exercise
3. Medical need or providing care
4. Travelling to or from work (if you can't work from home)

Contrary to what people and sections of the media are saying, we are not yet in a full lockdown as Italy and Spain are

Well I mis-heard then, seems really half ar5ed if thats the case. what on earth are the authorities supposed to enforce under those parameters??
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 11:59:30 AM
That’s correct most contracts do include a force majeure clause, however given the amount of time that has elapsed since the initial outbreak and the hard evidence of other countries who are further down the line with the effects of the virus it’s hard to see how it could be considered an unforeseen act of god.

There is a discernable difference between a "Force Majuer" and "vis major" (act of God) in law.

Force majeure is used to describe an event that occurs which is beyond the control of the parties, and which prevents them from fulfilling their contractual obligations.

Courts have previously determined that "force majeure" is an event which goes beyond what the courts understands by the terms 'vis major'.

But I suspect, if it comes to it, a court of law would have to decide.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 24, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
It's not that they're misleading, they're just still vague.

Don't go to work, unless you have to.
Don't go out to meet anyone, unless it's just one person.
Don't go out, unless you're going for some exercise or walking the dog.

The problem is that people and companies aren't using common sense so will find any loophole they can.

Where did that one come from, you don't go out to meet someone, that is absolute nonsense. :-X
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 24, 2020, 12:15:04 PM
My thoughts are go out to all the married men in the world, who have told their wives, "I'll do that when I have got the time".
Time's up dudes!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 12:22:32 PM
Right, we've had a fair dose of doom and gloom this morning, now it's time for a touch of good old fashioned British classic comedy to lighten things up and put a smile back on faces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV1IP4N9ajg

Has no one not had a little chuckle at "Fork Handles"? Seriously? :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 24, 2020, 12:24:49 PM
Where did that one come from, you don't go out to meet someone, that is absolute nonsense. :-X

Public gatherings of more than two people (excluding family) are banned.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 12:38:56 PM
Government email update on Covid-19

Time updated
11:55am, 24 March 2020

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-for-employees-employers-and-businesses?utm_source=7ad8bdb7-aa1b-401d-a19d-6f04fd95ba28&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=govuk-notifications&utm_content=immediate
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: silver surfer on March 24, 2020, 12:39:43 PM
There is a discernable difference between a "Force Majuer" and "vis major" (act of God) in law.

Force majeure is used to describe an event that occurs which is beyond the control of the parties, and which prevents them from fulfilling their contractual obligations.

Courts have previously determined that "force majeure" is an event which goes beyond what the courts understands by the terms 'vis major'.

But I suspect, if it comes to it, a court of law would have to decide.
Doesn't an act of god fall within the criteria of Force majuer as with war and plague?
My point is that this spread of the virus and the disruption it would cause could be seen a mile off given what was happening in many other places and the reliance upon Force Majeure for breach of contract is a bit shaky, hence the reluctance for builders and construction companies to shut sites of their own accord.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: KN22 on March 24, 2020, 12:49:49 PM
This is a snippet from this mornings Telegraph

What are the rules?

Mr Johnson has said you will only be able to leave your house for one of four reasons:

1. Shopping for necessities
2. Once a day for exercise
3. Medical need or providing care
4. Travelling to or from work (if you can't work from home)

Contrary to what people and sections of the media are saying, we are not yet in a full lockdown as Italy and Spain are

That is exactly right. My company remains open (manufacturer of heavy steel goods) and cannot function unless people are there. So no, it is not a total lockdown at present.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 24, 2020, 01:08:06 PM
The government ideally need to shut down construction sites too - ridiculous that they are still continue to operate as normal despite the Governments instructions.

Again, the tubes and trains were ransacked with people trying to get to work. It really doesn’t work to restrict the number of transport services and still have sections of work remaining open. We’re in effect creating a major issue for ourselves.

Shut down all elements of work accept for those in the key workers.

There is no reason for me as to why construction sites are remaining open unless they are undertaking work which is of benefit to the NHS
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 24, 2020, 01:09:13 PM
Public gatherings of more than two people (excluding family) are banned.

All public meetings are banned, no one goes out to meet someone, you stay within your household.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 24, 2020, 01:21:58 PM
I thought last night was Boris Johnson’s best press conference. Statesmanlike and leadership in abundance.

He’ll regret winning that bloody election at this rate !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 01:28:48 PM
Doesn't an act of god fall within the criteria of Force majuer as with war and plague?
My point is that this spread of the virus and the disruption it would cause could be seen a mile off given what was happening in many other places and the reliance upon Force Majeure for breach of contract is a bit shaky, hence the reluctance for builders and construction companies to shut sites of their own accord.

Acts of God are unpredictable natural events such as storm, earthquake, flood etc. whereas Force Majeure is, human-initiated action that cannot be predicted or controlled by the party to the contract. I think the word "controlled" is significant

At the moment, given government Rules, there is no reason or requirement for Builders to stop working. If the government went for a full hard lockdown, then I don't consider there would be any room for manoeuvring by any party to the contract to seek reparation from the other party.

However, if one party thought they had a legitimate case, there is no precedent, that I am aware of that covers the current set of circumstances, so if court proceedings were initiated the judge(s) would have to adjudicate, thus setting precedent for future similar actions.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 24, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
My thoughts are go out to all the married men in the world, who have told their wives, "I'll do that when I have got the time".
Time's up dudes!
Yup  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 24, 2020, 01:52:51 PM
Just had a phone call from the care home that my 94 year old father-in-law is in. He has been isolated for about six days from the rest of the community, they are sure he hasn't got Covid-19, but he is not responding to the antibiotics he is on and they asked us to come to the home and see him as soon as possible. They said  they will provided us with full protective clothing and equipment. Both of us are thinking the worst and just taking awhile to compose ourselves before we set out.

I'm not looking forward to this, he is a man I have known for close on fifty years and a man I have respected for all of those years. Sorry if I'm burdening you with this, but I'm a little shaken at the moment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 24, 2020, 02:09:43 PM
Bugger, good luck AlbionFan, to you and your family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 24, 2020, 02:11:20 PM
More scum.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-52019720

Iceland need those vans for deliveries, possibly to those who vunerable and daren't go out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: dangerman on March 24, 2020, 02:12:34 PM
Just had a phone call from the care home that my 94 year old father-in-law is in. He has been isolated for about six days from the rest of the community, they are sure he hasn't got Covid-19, but he is not responding to the antibiotics he is on and they asked us to come to the home and see him as soon as possible. They said  they will provided us with full protective clothing and equipment. Both of us are thinking the worst and just taking awhile to compose ourselves before we set out.

I'm not looking forward to this, he is a man I have known for close on fifty years and a man I have respected for all of those years. Sorry if I'm burdening you with this, but I'm a little shaken at the moment.

You shouldn't apologies. It's a difficult time. All the best to you and your family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 24, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
Just had a phone call from the care home that my 94 year old father-in-law is in. He has been isolated for about six days from the rest of the community, they are sure he hasn't got Covid-19, but he is not responding to the antibiotics he is on and they asked us to come to the home and see him as soon as possible. They said  they will provided us with full protective clothing and equipment. Both of us are thinking the worst and just taking awhile to compose ourselves before we set out.

I'm not looking forward to this, he is a man I have known for close on fifty years and a man I have respected for all of those years. Sorry if I'm burdening you with this, but I'm a little shaken at the moment.

Sorry to hear this AlbionFan.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Black Country Pride on March 24, 2020, 02:56:59 PM
That’s correct most contracts do include a force majeure clause, however given the amount of time that has elapsed since the initial outbreak and the hard evidence of other countries who are further down the line with the effects of the virus it’s hard to see how it could be considered an unforeseen act of god.

The devil is in the drafting but I suspect that Covid-19 and our government's response to it would constitute a force majeure event. Of course that doesn't in itself necessarily guarantee protection from liability for failing to perform or for delay in performance.

What will be interesting is what happens with contracts lacking a force majeure clause (you'd be amazed how many there are). Showing that a contract has been 'frustrated' is difficult at the best of times and the fact that there have been two other pandemics in the last 15 years puts you on a sticky wicket. You'd be left arguing that the extent of the global government enforced shutdowns was unforeseeable. It'll be a feeding frenzy for the lawyers.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 24, 2020, 03:54:27 PM
Just had a phone call from the care home that my 94 year old father-in-law is in. He has been isolated for about six days from the rest of the community, they are sure he hasn't got Covid-19, but he is not responding to the antibiotics he is on and they asked us to come to the home and see him as soon as possible. They said  they will provided us with full protective clothing and equipment. Both of us are thinking the worst and just taking awhile to compose ourselves before we set out.

I'm not looking forward to this, he is a man I have known for close on fifty years and a man I have respected for all of those years. Sorry if I'm burdening you with this, but I'm a little shaken at the moment.

Hope its not what you fear, my thoughts are with you and your Mrs mate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 24, 2020, 04:55:55 PM
Just had a phone call from the care home that my 94 year old father-in-law is in. He has been isolated for about six days from the rest of the community, they are sure he hasn't got Covid-19, but he is not responding to the antibiotics he is on and they asked us to come to the home and see him as soon as possible. They said  they will provided us with full protective clothing and equipment. Both of us are thinking the worst and just taking awhile to compose ourselves before we set out.

I'm not looking forward to this, he is a man I have known for close on fifty years and a man I have respected for all of those years. Sorry if I'm burdening you with this, but I'm a little shaken at the moment.
Thoughts with you and the family.
Hope the old fella gets through .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 24, 2020, 05:00:04 PM
Roads in London still very busy from what I saw on the BBC news. Tube trains packed.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 24, 2020, 05:12:11 PM
Just had a phone call from the care home that my 94 year old father-in-law is in. He has been isolated for about six days from the rest of the community, they are sure he hasn't got Covid-19, but he is not responding to the antibiotics he is on and they asked us to come to the home and see him as soon as possible. They said  they will provided us with full protective clothing and equipment. Both of us are thinking the worst and just taking awhile to compose ourselves before we set out.

I'm not looking forward to this, he is a man I have known for close on fifty years and a man I have respected for all of those years. Sorry if I'm burdening you with this, but I'm a little shaken at the moment.

Thinking of you. Be careful
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on March 24, 2020, 05:55:03 PM
Thinking of you. Be careful

No burden mate.
Thinking of you .God Bless.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 24, 2020, 07:18:33 PM
Hey albionfan and wife,take some deep breaths think of the good times and treat the old fella with respect.
Ask the people at the home not to speak across the bed to each other the man needs help, talk outside the room ,I don't like it when nurses doctors etc talk about people as if they're not there.
They might have their eyes closed but they can sense things ,I think it is reprehensible and ignorant.
Albionfan you concentrate on the old fella talk to nurses etc outside the room,the old guy still has feelings.
Good luck mate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 24, 2020, 07:59:34 PM
Was informed by Local council that commercial waste was being cut back and to use disposable cloth when handling bins, when you think how many bin handles could be infected by one pair of hands it's good advice.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 25, 2020, 10:17:29 AM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2020, 11:07:58 AM
Prince Charles has tested positive for COVID-19
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggie53 on March 25, 2020, 11:10:31 AM
Prince Charles has tested positive for COVID-19

Yes, but how come he can get tested with "mild" symptoms when NHS staff can't get tested
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2020, 11:30:42 AM
Yes, but how come he can get tested with "mild" symptoms when NHS staff can't get tested

Because he is over 70 and therefore classed as vulnerable.

Now nicely ensconced in his 2nd home in Scotland apparently........just saying.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 25, 2020, 12:04:09 PM
Parliament going to an early Easter recess  :o :o
I hope this simply means that they will be working from home and not taking holiday
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: dangerman on March 25, 2020, 12:24:10 PM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan

All the best to you and your family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 25, 2020, 12:44:49 PM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan

We went through the same a couple of years ago AF, its not a nice place to be. Very best wishes to you and your family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: KN22 on March 25, 2020, 12:56:02 PM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan

Best wishes to you both. Not a nice time at all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 25, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan

AlbionFan our thoughts are with you, it’s a horrific experience at the best of times so I cannot imagine what you and the Mrs are going through.Everyone will be leaning on you, so if you want to vent / rant or just chat please don’t hesitate to PM me, I’m sure that goes for others. Stay strong and safe mucka
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on March 25, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
BEst wishes to you and your family AlbionFan!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 25, 2020, 02:21:20 PM
Yes, but how come he can get tested with "mild" symptoms when NHS staff can't get tested
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The clues in his name
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 25, 2020, 02:22:23 PM
All the best Albion fan, fingers crossed for you and yours
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 25, 2020, 02:22:45 PM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan

Best wishes to you and the family AlbionFan
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on March 25, 2020, 04:40:36 PM
Albionfan,there's nothing I can say that will help you with the next few days weeks.
I went through similar with my mom 18 months ago,she was in a home in Brownhills,trouble was she had dementia and couldn't even recognise or acknowledge me.
I hope they hurry up and find a cure for this terrifying disease it was horrible,when she eventually passed away.
You must stay strong for your wife this is a time for understanding and patience keep a cool head ,its part of life that comes to us all I feel for you as a human being and your wife,love from the liverbaggie.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 26, 2020, 09:12:31 AM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan

You have, for some time across many different topics, always managed to display a sincerity and human kindness to your posts. When I read posts from yourself, I always imagine you as a person rather than a member.

Your PM to me last year, at my time of need was very touching and epitomises you as an individual.

Please do not feel that you cannot make posts such as the above on this forum. We are all feeling emotions in any different ways, the more people that open up and express their thoughts the better. If this forum is a relief for some members, then I am glad

Wishing you and your family the warmest best wishes. Take care Colin

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 26, 2020, 03:17:10 PM
You have, for some time across many different topics, always managed to display a sincerity and human kindness to your posts. When I read posts from yourself, I always imagine you as a person rather than a member.

Your PM to me last year, at my time of need was very touching and epitomises you as an individual.

Please do not feel that you cannot make posts such as the above on this forum. We are all feeling emotions in any different ways, the more people that open up and express their thoughts the better. If this forum is a relief for some members, then I am glad

Wishing you and your family the warmest best wishes. Take care Colin
Well put
Seconded
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 26, 2020, 04:00:36 PM
Found this amusing.

Mexican protesters have shut a US southern border crossing amid fears that untested American travellers will spread coronavirus.

Residents in Sonora, south of the US state of Arizona, have promised to block traffic into Mexico for a second day after closing a checkpoint for hours on Wednesday.

They wore face masks and held signs telling Americans to "stay at home.

Trumps wall was a masterstroke.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2020, 04:58:27 PM
Firstly, a sincere and heartfelt thank you for the messages of support, it meant a lot to me. It was a difficult afternoon and evening for us, but more so my wife.

When we arrived at the home we were told his chest infection wasn’t responding to treatment, we were assured that it wasn’t Covid-19. Outside his room we were kitted out with PPE, how doctors and nurses cope with that alone for the hours they are on shift I really don’t know.

He didn’t recognise us at first, the PPE didn’t help. But we wrote little messages that he was able to read and he acknowledged us. During our stay he did appear to be more lucid and brightened up, which was a relief and gave us hope.

When we were leaving, the home’s manager asked to see us, she went through a list that include DNR, preferred Undertaker, religious beliefs, did we want to be contacted at anytime of the day/night  in the event of his condition worsening. All sobering and deflating, but essential and practical things, as life has to go on.

I had the phone on my bedside table last night and, to our relief, it didn’t ring. So, its one day at a time, which is what life has become for all of us of late. Stay safe and thank you again. AlbionFan


You and your wife are in my thoughts AF. Stay strong and stay safe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on March 26, 2020, 06:49:16 PM
100+ dead in a day for the first time
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on March 26, 2020, 07:05:51 PM
There was a vicar on the news this evening saying that the word ‘virus’ doesn’t convey the seriousness of the infection, her suggestion was that it should be referred to as ‘plague’; it might just help to convince the idiots that are flouting the new instructions that this is a really serious illness and will cost many people their lives. Stay safe everyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on March 27, 2020, 01:29:45 AM
All the best Colin... none of us deserve to have to go through these difficulties.



Some relatively safe sources of updated figures/tables:

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 27, 2020, 12:22:17 PM
I see Bozo has got it !  I do hope he did not go to see his mother on Moms day, she must be v.old and therefore high risk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 27, 2020, 12:30:02 PM
I see Bozo has got it !  I do hope he did not go to see his mother on Moms day, she must be v.old and therefore high risk.

Or his Father.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 27, 2020, 12:36:14 PM
Or his Father.
I was going to answer that but have thought better of it! Nuff said !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on March 27, 2020, 01:06:56 PM
Dear all, again, many thanks for all your support, thoughts and good wishes that have meant so much to us.

After some anxious moments and physically and mentally draining days, particularly for my wife, I'm pleased to be able to say that my father-in-law is showing signs of improvement and is responding to treatment. It's still early days, but the doctor and staff at his care home are sounding more positive about him and he does look brighter in himself.

The care home suggested that we might want to scale back our visits for our own sake as much as the safety of their other residence, which we fully appreciate.

We are take nothing for granted, its just a day at a time.

I hope you, your families and friends are safe and well, we can ask for little more in these unprecedented times.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 27, 2020, 01:54:57 PM
 I am thinking of you and yours mate

In the very wise words of I know not who, Keep the faith!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: silver surfer on March 27, 2020, 03:56:56 PM
Dear all, again, many thanks for all your support, thoughts and good wishes that have meant so much to us.

After some anxious moments and physically and mentally draining days, particularly for my wife, I'm pleased to be able to say that my father-in-law is showing signs of improvement and is responding to treatment. It's still early days, but the doctor and staff at his care home are sounding more positive about him and he does look brighter in himself.

The care home suggested that we might want to scale back our visits for our own sake as much as the safety of their other residence, which we fully appreciate.

We are take nothing for granted, its just a day at a time.

I hope you, your families and friends are safe and well, we can ask for little more in these unprecedented times.
its good hear a bit of positive news, fingers crossed. All the best.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on March 28, 2020, 09:04:24 AM
Well, the Care Home i manage has somehow managed to have a bout of norovirus sweeping it when we could do without people immune systems being lowered and i now have the bug, mostly hit last! Seem to have woken up better today, some symptoms tie up with coronavirus so that could complicate matters. I currently have a temperature, aching and D&V which has been fun.

Side note; i can't actually be sick due to 5 operations as a child so the heaving has been mega painful!

Hope this doesn't make us all more vulnerable to corona but ultimately it will.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 28, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
Well, the Care Home i manage has somehow managed to have a bout of norovirus sweeping it when we could do without people immune systems being lowered and i now have the bug, mostly hit last! Seem to have woken up better today, some symptoms tie up with coronavirus so that could complicate matters. I currently have a temperature, aching and D&V which has been fun.

Side note; i can't actually be sick due to 5 operations as a child so the heaving has been mega painful!

Hope this doesn't make us all more vulnerable to corona but ultimately it will.
Good lord..
No point putting your lottery on this week pal
Get well soon
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on March 28, 2020, 12:07:57 PM
Well, the Care Home i manage has somehow managed to have a bout of norovirus sweeping it when we could do without people immune systems being lowered and i now have the bug, mostly hit last! Seem to have woken up better today, some symptoms tie up with coronavirus so that could complicate matters. I currently have a temperature, aching and D&V which has been fun.

Side note; i can't actually be sick due to 5 operations as a child so the heaving has been mega painful!

Hope this doesn't make us all more vulnerable to corona but ultimately it will.
Hope you are feeling better mate, sounds proper rough!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 28, 2020, 02:56:49 PM
Blame game has started.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-could-have-prevented-chaos-and-panic-says-lancet-editor-11964955
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 28, 2020, 08:25:40 PM
Blame game has started.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-could-have-prevented-chaos-and-panic-says-lancet-editor-11964955

Ask the NHS staff on the front line if there is anyone to blame?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 28, 2020, 10:14:57 PM
Ask the NHS staff on the front line if there is anyone to blame?


Why?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 29, 2020, 07:54:27 AM
Blame game has started.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-nhs-could-have-prevented-chaos-and-panic-says-lancet-editor-11964955

Another 'wise after the event' clown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 29, 2020, 08:08:35 AM
The only people to blame are the idiots who carried on socialising after we were advised to keep apart which then resulted in a more restrictive shutdown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 29, 2020, 08:53:12 AM
Another 'wise after the event' clown.

Are you joking? We had at least a month to prepare and we did nothing.  We could see what was happening in China, and then Iran, and then Italy.  And while we should have been preparing all we did was tell people to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands.  The FA and Prem League took their own decision to cancel their sporting events while the government was insisting that large gatherings were fine.  The reason people carried on mingling was because the advice we were given was so vague. (There's still idiots about too).

We could clearly see what was coming.  We didn't need hindsight.  This was no surprise.  Just look at the timeline.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on March 29, 2020, 09:55:34 AM
Are you joking? We had at least a month to prepare and we did nothing.  We could see what was happening in China, and then Iran, and then Italy.  And while we should have been preparing all we did was tell people to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands.  The FA and Prem League took their own decision to cancel their sporting events while the government was insisting that large gatherings were fine.  The reason people carried on mingling was because the advice we were given was so vague. (There's still idiots about too).

We could clearly see what was coming.  We didn't need hindsight.  This was no surprise.  Just look at the timeline.
...and Matt Hancock was telling us it was still OK to shake hands. We had a week of shaking hands, then a week of elbow bumps when we should have been staying away from each other as much as possible.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 29, 2020, 09:56:41 AM
No I am not joking.

The article correctly points out that the advice from the WHO was test, test, test. Clearly this is imperative to find out not only who has the virus, but who has had the virus, but there is an assumption that we a) had the testing kits from the outset, and b) the manpower, PPE and logistics to carry out the testing from day 1. 

The article clearly cites the NHS for being 'wholly unprepared' for the pandemic and ignored warnings. It seems that the whole of the world are/were in the same position, not just the NHS so I think that it is unfair to blame the NHS;  given that this is global then there is a global demand on a finite number of PPE items, testing kits etc, something that you are now seeing now in the US, where you have 50 States each squabbling over ventilators and PPE.

For me the 'lessons learnt' session is for a later date. Certainly China has a few questions to answer [something referred to by No 10], but now is not the time for this type of journalistic rubbish. The NHS are doing a remarkable job and do not need negative articles such as this.

It is also easy to drill down into the Government guidance and say that it was 'vague'. Well it seems to me that the vast majority of the nation got the message from the outset, but there are still quite a few 'employers' insisting on business as usual which is not helping the situation, so I anticipate further more robust guidance this week.

Oh, and don't forget the countless 'muppets' who think that social distancing does not apply to them and carry on regardless.

   
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 29, 2020, 10:09:27 AM
If you want to see an example of not understanding what this virus is about then we need to look no further than the US and Trump in particular, who now seems to be backing away from a total lock down of NYC. What could possibly go wrong???

There is a man who is unprepared [at the moment]
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 29, 2020, 10:15:45 AM
Are you joking? We had at least a month to prepare and we did nothing.  We could see what was happening in China, and then Iran, and then Italy.  And while we should have been preparing all we did was tell people to sing Happy Birthday while washing their hands.  The FA and Prem League took their own decision to cancel their sporting events while the government was insisting that large gatherings were fine.  The reason people carried on mingling was because the advice we were given was so vague. (There's still idiots about too).

We could clearly see what was coming.  We didn't need hindsight.  This was no surprise.  Just look at the timeline.

 Government depts were preparing there is a plan already on the shelf for dealing with a pandemic illness. Also we were the first country to order on mass face masks which the French company had now blocked.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on March 29, 2020, 10:28:24 AM
If you want to see an example of not understanding what this virus is about then we need to look no further than the US and Trump in particular, who now seems to be backing away from a total lock down of NYC. What could possibly go wrong???

There is a man who is unprepared [at the moment]
Yeah, he doesn't like to arrive 'late into the room' after others have stressed the urgency while he was carrying on with his own self-interested theories about things. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 29, 2020, 10:43:25 AM
Richard Horton is a bit of a tit - mud slinging at the government and the NHS for not reacting. These were his own views in January:


A call for caution please. Media are escalating anxiety by talking of a “killer virus” + “growing fears”. In truth, from what we currently know, 2019-nCoV has moderate transmissibility and relatively low pathogenicity. There is no reason to foster panic with exaggerated language.


The WHO tweeted in January that the preliminary evidence showed that the Chinese authorities found no evidence of human to human transmission.

world Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
·
14 Jan
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳.

Mr Horton then tweeted the followimg:

And, when one examines the global response to 2019-nCoV, Chinese authorities have acted quickly and decisively to control the outbreak. They have shared information rapidly and transparently. Meanwhile, WHO has been impressive: clear and confident decisions and communication.


A egotistical hypocrite. You got to love them..
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 29, 2020, 11:43:35 AM
Government depts were preparing there is a plan already on the shelf for dealing with a pandemic illness. Also we were the first country to order on mass face masks which the French company had now blocked.

I imagine certain countries, probably those who produced them kept the vast majority of tests, PPE etc, this government have not been perfect, but they have followed the medical advice and taken difficult decisions when appropriate, which is why the vast majority of the country are behind them
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 29, 2020, 11:52:02 AM
Government depts were preparing there is a plan already on the shelf for dealing with a pandemic illness. Also we were the first country to order on mass face masks which the French company had now blocked.

We weren't prepared, otherwise we'd have had PPE ready for front line staff and we'd have take steps to flatten the curve. 

Have you read the pandemic plan?  I have.  It was for a flu pandemic with a much lower fatality rate, it wasn't suitable for what we are facing.  We watched what happened in other countries and ignored it.   2 weeks ago Boris was bragging about shaking hands with coronavirus patients.

We changed direction when we realised how many deaths the current plan would have led to.  Since then we've reacted as well as we could be expected to but we wasted a lot of time when we could have been saving more lives.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 29, 2020, 11:52:56 AM
If you have an exercise  ( Exercise Cygnus ) that exposes the difficulty that our country would experience during a pandemic, surely to god you would act on it straight away. Not wait till it hits us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 29, 2020, 11:58:04 AM
No I am not joking.

The article correctly points out that the advice from the WHO was test, test, test. Clearly this is imperative to find out not only who has the virus, but who has had the virus, but there is an assumption that we a) had the testing kits from the outset, and b) the manpower, PPE and logistics to carry out the testing from day 1. 

The article clearly cites the NHS for being 'wholly unprepared' for the pandemic and ignored warnings. It seems that the whole of the world are/were in the same position, not just the NHS so I think that it is unfair to blame the NHS;  given that this is global then there is a global demand on a finite number of PPE items, testing kits etc, something that you are now seeing now in the US, where you have 50 States each squabbling over ventilators and PPE.

For me the 'lessons learnt' session is for a later date. Certainly China has a few questions to answer [something referred to by No 10], but now is not the time for this type of journalistic rubbish. The NHS are doing a remarkable job and do not need negative articles such as this.

It is also easy to drill down into the Government guidance and say that it was 'vague'. Well it seems to me that the vast majority of the nation got the message from the outset, but there are still quite a few 'employers' insisting on business as usual which is not helping the situation, so I anticipate further more robust guidance this week.

Oh, and don't forget the countless 'muppets' who think that social distancing does not apply to them and carry on regardless.

 

Regarding the test, test, test, yes, this was the WHO's advice.  This is an article from the NHS from the 11th March.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/03/nhs-to-ramp-up-coronavirus-testing-labs/ (https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/03/nhs-to-ramp-up-coronavirus-testing-labs/)

Quote
"Approximately 1,500 tests are being processed every day at PHE labs with the great majority of tests being turned around within 24 hours. PHE has processed over 25,000 tests as of 10 March and has not exceeded capacity during this time."

We had the tests available, we weren't even at capacity and we were looking at ramping up to ~10,000 tests a day, an increase of 500% bringing on other labs.  At this point we only (not a great word tbf) had 6 deaths.  We stepped back from this approach and decided to only test those admitted to hospital, despite it being against the WHO advice.  Even now we are saying that the WHO advice doesn't apply to us because we're somehow special.

I know 2 nurses and 1 paramaedic - they 100% agree that the NHS was completely unprepared for this pandemic.  I do agree the time for an investigation is once all this is hopefully over though.

I just completely disagree that there was nothing we could do to have prepared for situation we are in now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on March 29, 2020, 11:59:09 AM
Another 'wise after the event' clown.

Plenty of those about isn’t there. If we shut down too late, it was days not weeks. They could not do it much earlier like some now think they should have. They couldn’t destroy the economy until they had too.

Nobody saw this coming and if we had shut down earlier the public would have hit the roof. Imagine Joe bloggs having their holiday cancelled whilst the rest of the world carried on and it turning out to be another SARS, which didn’t really effect the west.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 29, 2020, 12:02:38 PM
Richard Horton is a bit of a tit - mud slinging at the government and the NHS for not reacting. These were his own views in January:


A call for caution please. Media are escalating anxiety by talking of a “killer virus” + “growing fears”. In truth, from what we currently know, 2019-nCoV has moderate transmissibility and relatively low pathogenicity. There is no reason to foster panic with exaggerated language.


The WHO tweeted in January that the preliminary evidence showed that the Chinese authorities found no evidence of human to human transmission.

world Health Organization (WHO)
@WHO
·
14 Jan
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳.

Mr Horton then tweeted the followimg:

And, when one examines the global response to 2019-nCoV, Chinese authorities have acted quickly and decisively to control the outbreak. They have shared information rapidly and transparently. Meanwhile, WHO has been impressive: clear and confident decisions and communication.


A egotistical hypocrite. You got to love them..

Where's the contradiction?  You can ask the media to step back from exaggerating and scaring people while also thinking there's a danger and we need to investigate.  The thing with science is, as more evidence comes to late you change your position, and that's what he did a week later.  You don't just stick to it and ignore new evidence.  Even our own government didn't do that. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 29, 2020, 12:04:29 PM
Plenty of those about isn’t there. If we shut down too late, it was days not weeks. They could not do it much earlier like some now think they should have. They couldn’t destroy the economy until they had too.

Nobody saw this coming and if we had shut down earlier the public would have hit the roof. Imagine Joe bloggs having their holiday cancelled whilst the rest of the world carried on and it turning out to be another SARS, which didn’t really effect the west.

While I agree you don't need to completely shut down the country at the first sign of a cold in China - we could easily have asked people to work from home where possible, we could have prevented events like Cheltenham going ahead, we could have started social distancing earlier, we could have start getting the PPE that we desperately need.   All of those would have helped us flatten the curve.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 29, 2020, 12:30:05 PM
To be fair....it’s a very stressful situation.
People are scared, panicking and in some cases angry.

There is much to consider
I dont think anyone truly got it (as in understanding) and many still don’t, when it first filtered on to the news people were still shaking hands ....laughing about it even...and carrying on with life (driving and standing at Swansea away), the players did that gesture of not shaking hands....then shaking hands at the end of the game...oh how twitter laughed.
The govt of (insert any country) could not have foreseen or planned for it....you may have various strategies for x and y , but the cost of prepping for each makes it unrealistic...the millions you invest in a “could happen” scenario would be immediately unpicked by the opposition, Boris would become “wasteful” his term brought to an early end .
For me personally I think the government really have ...and are trying with the best intentions of everyone....now is not the time for sniping, it’s certainly not the time for YouTube selfies of one person moaning he’s not going to get as much as his neighbour....every bloody news bulletin.

2 weeks before our lockdown....17 planes came in to Heathrow on direct flights from Italy, assuming each one had 100 people on board, assuming half used some form of the tube system in the next seven days .....and knowing that the tube has over 5 million users per day... the maths move fast.
We could of locked down then , we could have closed all borders (try not to see the irony and turn in to a brexit/racist competition) ....we chose not to....and in line with all other countries at this point....it probably hasn’t helped.

I’ve read this morning that there has now been unrest and clashes with the police in Italy and even China....this is a big concern...like the STAYING IN, it will only take a very small number to ruin it for everyone....I think we know how the Chinese will “manage” it....my biggest concern is that over here we probably need to be exactly has hard....so it stops it dead and doesn’t circulate, I’m not scaremongering but I think if there is the slightest grumble of civil unrest turning to violence then shots will have to be fired..it’s not nice but if not I genuinely fear for us going forward.

Finally there is the elephant in the room....I am not trying to offend in anyway, lord knows this week I’ve felt it, my brothers best mate lost his dad to it, my best mate from school lost his dad and now his mom has been admitted with pneumonia....but....if there is no cure, no vaccine and no real end in sight.....do we at some point have to say.....back to normal from a week on Monday .....do we then tell the vulnerable to stay in for 10-12 weeks so any contamination can be almost drip fed and managed and do we let the people in the “relatively safe” groups just get on with it?
It’s a very difficult question, but parking the euphoria of Rishi,s bailouts and trumps very strange speeches ....lockdown will not build a strong future, and whilst everyone is really feeling like they will change their mindset and be nicer/fairer/more sharing when this is over....it’s taken less than a week for many to show their true colours.
6 months of this.....and we (humans) may never recover..

I hope you all stay safe and see the baggies lift that trophy this bloody summer....but it may be wishful thinking .


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 29, 2020, 12:39:18 PM
Where's the contradiction?  You can ask the media to step back from exaggerating and scaring people while also thinking there's a danger and we need to investigate.  The thing with science is, as more evidence comes to late you change your position, and that's what he did a week later.  You don't just stick to it and ignore new evidence.  Even our own government didn't do that.

The contradiction is clear - he was criticising the Government for not doing enough to tackle the epidemic despite them knowing about the virus in January. He has commended the WHO who stated in January there was no evidence of human to human transmission. His views at the time are entirely in line with the Government.

Now he is doing some retrospective mud slinging.

The other points within the article are worth a discussion however, I comcede there are questions to be asked on that front.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 29, 2020, 03:48:39 PM
To be fair....it’s a very stressful situation.
People are scared, panicking and in some cases angry.

There is much to consider
I dont think anyone truly got it (as in understanding) and many still don’t, when it first filtered on to the news people were still shaking hands ....laughing about it even...and carrying on with life (driving and standing at Swansea away), the players did that gesture of not shaking hands....then shaking hands at the end of the game...oh how twitter laughed.
The govt of (insert any country) could not have foreseen or planned for it....you may have various strategies for x and y , but the cost of prepping for each makes it unrealistic...the millions you invest in a “could happen” scenario would be immediately unpicked by the opposition, Boris would become “wasteful” his term brought to an early end .
For me personally I think the government really have ...and are trying with the best intentions of everyone....now is not the time for sniping, it’s certainly not the time for YouTube selfies of one person moaning he’s not going to get as much as his neighbour....every bloody news bulletin.

2 weeks before our lockdown....17 planes came in to Heathrow on direct flights from Italy, assuming each one had 100 people on board, assuming half used some form of the tube system in the next seven days .....and knowing that the tube has over 5 million users per day... the maths move fast.
We could of locked down then , we could have closed all borders (try not to see the irony and turn in to a brexit/racist competition) ....we chose not to....and in line with all other countries at this point....it probably hasn’t helped.

I’ve read this morning that there has now been unrest and clashes with the police in Italy and even China....this is a big concern...like the STAYING IN, it will only take a very small number to ruin it for everyone....I think we know how the Chinese will “manage” it....my biggest concern is that over here we probably need to be exactly has hard....so it stops it dead and doesn’t circulate, I’m not scaremongering but I think if there is the slightest grumble of civil unrest turning to violence then shots will have to be fired..it’s not nice but if not I genuinely fear for us going forward.

Finally there is the elephant in the room....I am not trying to offend in anyway, lord knows this week I’ve felt it, my brothers best mate lost his dad to it, my best mate from school lost his dad and now his mom has been admitted with pneumonia....but....if there is no cure, no vaccine and no real end in sight.....do we at some point have to say.....back to normal from a week on Monday .....do we then tell the vulnerable to stay in for 10-12 weeks so any contamination can be almost drip fed and managed and do we let the people in the “relatively safe” groups just get on with it?
It’s a very difficult question, but parking the euphoria of Rishi,s bailouts and trumps very strange speeches ....lockdown will not build a strong future, and whilst everyone is really feeling like they will change their mindset and be nicer/fairer/more sharing when this is over....it’s taken less than a week for many to show their true colours.
6 months of this.....and we (humans) may never recover..

I hope you all stay safe and see the baggies lift that trophy this bloody summer....but it may be wishful thinking .
We all have a view point.
Yours seems to be sensible too.
As you say...
Easy to snipe and score points.
I am in the at risk group.
I would like it to be that only the vulnerable are allowed to have home deliveries from the supermarkets.
The so called fit and healthy can go in person to the supermarkets as they used to.
The "Oh you vulnerable people can go at 9am" statement is stupid.
Becasue we are vulnerable... Why should we queue with others who are in the same boat and make us more susceptible to catching Covid19. We are being put at a very strong disadvantage.
It is like giving a person with no legs a free bike. It might sound generous, but, really useless.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: PartisanBaggie on March 29, 2020, 04:29:56 PM
To be fair....it’s a very stressful situation.
People are scared, panicking and in some cases angry.

There is much to consider
I dont think anyone truly got it (as in understanding) and many still don’t, when it first filtered on to the news people were still shaking hands ....laughing about it even...and carrying on with life (driving and standing at Swansea away), the players did that gesture of not shaking hands....then shaking hands at the end of the game...oh how twitter laughed.
The govt of (insert any country) could not have foreseen or planned for it....you may have various strategies for x and y , but the cost of prepping for each makes it unrealistic...the millions you invest in a “could happen” scenario would be immediately unpicked by the opposition, Boris would become “wasteful” his term brought to an early end .
For me personally I think the government really have ...and are trying with the best intentions of everyone....now is not the time for sniping, it’s certainly not the time for YouTube selfies of one person moaning he’s not going to get as much as his neighbour....every bloody news bulletin.

2 weeks before our lockdown....17 planes came in to Heathrow on direct flights from Italy, assuming each one had 100 people on board, assuming half used some form of the tube system in the next seven days .....and knowing that the tube has over 5 million users per day... the maths move fast.
We could of locked down then , we could have closed all borders (try not to see the irony and turn in to a brexit/racist competition) ....we chose not to....and in line with all other countries at this point....it probably hasn’t helped.

I’ve read this morning that there has now been unrest and clashes with the police in Italy and even China....this is a big concern...like the STAYING IN, it will only take a very small number to ruin it for everyone....I think we know how the Chinese will “manage” it....my biggest concern is that over here we probably need to be exactly has hard....so it stops it dead and doesn’t circulate, I’m not scaremongering but I think if there is the slightest grumble of civil unrest turning to violence then shots will have to be fired..it’s not nice but if not I genuinely fear for us going forward.

Finally there is the elephant in the room....I am not trying to offend in anyway, lord knows this week I’ve felt it, my brothers best mate lost his dad to it, my best mate from school lost his dad and now his mom has been admitted with pneumonia....but....if there is no cure, no vaccine and no real end in sight.....do we at some point have to say.....back to normal from a week on Monday .....do we then tell the vulnerable to stay in for 10-12 weeks so any contamination can be almost drip fed and managed and do we let the people in the “relatively safe” groups just get on with it?
It’s a very difficult question, but parking the euphoria of Rishi,s bailouts and trumps very strange speeches ....lockdown will not build a strong future, and whilst everyone is really feeling like they will change their mindset and be nicer/fairer/more sharing when this is over....it’s taken less than a week for many to show their true colours.
6 months of this.....and we (humans) may never recover..

I hope you all stay safe and see the baggies lift that trophy this bloody summer....but it may be wishful thinking .

Good post.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on March 29, 2020, 04:59:46 PM
We all have a view point.
Yours seems to be sensible too.
As you say...
Easy to snipe and score points.
I am in the at risk group.
I would like it to be that only the vulnerable are allowed to have home deliveries from the supermarkets.
The so called fit and healthy can go in person to the supermarkets as they used to.
The "Oh you vulnerable people can go at 9am" statement is stupid.
Becasue we are vulnerable... Why should we queue with others who are in the same boat and make us more susceptible to catching Covid19. We are being put at a very strong disadvantage.
It is like giving a person with no legs a free bike. It might sound generous, but, really useless.
Yes fully agree with that. I've been trying to get home delivery slots for my parents who are both in their 80s and with serious health conditions. In this exceptional climate those in the at risk groups and over 70 should have priority for home delivery and not the usual office workers who use home deliveries for convenience and to save time in their day. As you say there's a danger that older or vulnerable people who should stay at home, think the 8am or 9am slots are safe for them to use when of course they are not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 29, 2020, 05:17:49 PM
How many times do people have to be told?
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-police-break-up-massive-karaoke-party-during-covid-19-lockdown-measures-11965352
Beggars belief.
Total disregard for others.
They are not only puting themselves in danger (serves them right, I hear a lot say).
It is the innnocent ones who happen to touch something which they have handled.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 29, 2020, 05:21:16 PM
The contradiction is clear - he was criticising the Government for not doing enough to tackle the epidemic despite them knowing about the virus in January. He has commended the WHO who stated in January there was no evidence of human to human transmission. His views at the time are entirely in line with the Government.

Now he is doing some retrospective mud slinging.

The other points within the article are worth a discussion however, I comcede there are questions to be asked on that front.

I don't think it's retrospective though.  The science changed pretty quickly towards the end of January.  The tweet you mentioned was on the 24th Jan.  Later that day we had the first published report of patients with coronavirus, then the first evidence of human-to-human transmission. and then he posted an updated article on the emerging understandings. 

On the 25th he tweeted...
"The challenge of 2019-nCoV is not only the public health response. It is clinical capacity. A third of patients so far have required admission to ICU. 29% developed ARDS. Few countries have the clinical capacity to handle this volume of acutely ill patients. Yet no discussion."

And the 26th he tweeted...
"It’s now imperative to recall WHO’s IHR Emergency Committee to review once again the evidence for and against declaring a Public Health Emergency of International Concern. The needle is moving towards the affirmative."

It seems a bit disingenious to go back to a tweet when information wasn't known to make it look he's being contradictory.  He's not saying the government should have locked down in mid-Jan when he held the views quoted, but that we should have started to prepare by Feb, and we certainly shouldn't be saying on the 20th MARCH that we have enough PPE.   In the article he published he specifically mentioned that we should have started preparing in February.   

I don't know a single NHS worker, and they don't know any of their colleagues, who thinks that we were adequately prepared or that there was nothing we could do.

For the record, since we changed approach on the 16th March the government have been doing a decent enough job.  It's just those 6 (six) weeks previous to that that we wasted.  We weren't the only country to waste them but that doesn't make it feel better when you see the number of people dying per day go up and you have relatives who probably wouldn't survive if they got it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 29, 2020, 05:22:12 PM
How many times do people have to be told?
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-police-break-up-massive-karaoke-party-during-covid-19-lockdown-measures-11965352
Beggars belief.
Total disregard for others.
They are not only puting themselves in danger (serves them right, I hear a lot say).
It is the innnocent ones who happen to touch something which they have handled.

Police should be breaking up all karaoke parties anyway.  It's just stupid though, you're right, it's not that themselves are in danger but they're putting others in danger.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 29, 2020, 05:55:28 PM
Strange lot these foreigners. (Jingoistic or what?)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52084121
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 29, 2020, 08:41:08 PM
Exercise Cygnus was a simulation exercise carried out in 2016 to estimate the impact of a hypothetical pandemic on the United Kingdom. The exercise showed that the pandemic would cause the country's health system to collapse from a lack of resources.

LET THAT SINK IN. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on March 29, 2020, 08:58:59 PM
Exercise Cygnus was a simulation exercise carried out in 2016 to estimate the impact of a hypothetical pandemic on the United Kingdom. The exercise showed that the pandemic would cause the country's health system to collapse from a lack of resources.

LET THAT SINK IN.

I could run a simulation that a nuke would flatten Birmingham. Doing something about it is completely different.

I think expecting tonnes of resources to be have been directed to this, when there were  a million other calls for them is a little unfair.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 29, 2020, 11:25:29 PM
Exercise Cygnus was a simulation exercise carried out in 2016 to estimate the impact of a hypothetical pandemic on the United Kingdom. The exercise showed that the pandemic would cause the country's health system to collapse from a lack of resources.

LET THAT SINK IN.

That's why you run exercises Kev, to learn from them, the lockdown will be difficult to maintain long term, the government knew that, that's why the held off as long as they could, they tried to achieve social distancing by a degree of friendly compliance, unfortunately, some of us took the the guidance, I've been isolating for two weeks now, some chose to carry on as normal, that's not the  governments fault, that's just people not being able to see the obvious and continuing to spread the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 30, 2020, 05:04:13 AM
If you have an exercise  ( Exercise Cygnus ) that exposes the difficulty that our country would experience during a pandemic, surely to god you would act on it straight away. Not wait till it hits us.

You would if you had the financial clout to react.
We were in the midst of austerity so the money wasn't there.
Ahhh, I hear you say, but we've found the money now. We have indeed, and we will be paying that money back for decades.

PS. anybody having trouble sleeping, my default time for getting up is 4.45 and I can't shake it off
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 30, 2020, 05:10:37 AM
Why are we getting a letter from Boris?
The average, sensible person among us are aware, I think, that things will get worse before getting better, the rest are too thick to understand and won't even bother reading the damn letter anyway
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on March 30, 2020, 07:37:50 AM
Why are we getting a letter from Boris?
The average, sensible person among us are aware, I think, that things will get worse before getting better, the rest are too thick to understand and won't even bother reading the damn letter anyway

Morale boosting, at some time next week cabin fever will start to creep in especially for those who live alone and resolve for self-isolation will start to break down.

If we don't break the back of this spike in cases all bets are off on total morality rates. On average 1400 people die every day, by the end of the week 800 people could be dieing on top of that figure. 800 is currently the Italian daily death toll from CV-19.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 30, 2020, 08:37:31 AM
I think the letter is more just to make sure he's tried every avenue he can to get the message across about this pandemic. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 30, 2020, 09:27:35 AM
I could run a simulation that a nuke would flatten Birmingham. Doing something about it is completely different.

I think expecting tonnes of resources to be have been directed to this, when there were  a million other calls for them is a little unfair.
I don't think its about tons of resources, surely the PPE equipment can't be expensive to make and store, and contingency plans are about time as much as money, things like being ready to throw up field hospitals quickly in identified locations .  This was pretty much a racing certainty to happen one day and in fact we are probably lucky this one has quite a low mortality rate overall, we need to be ready for the next one being worse - like we pay house and car insurance, nobody likes it but we understand why we do it.  Trade between nations can't exist without insurance, we need to beef up the WHO.

All politicians, ours, the EU, the Americans, all of them seem to just want to get into power/stay in power for the next short cycle, there doesn't seem to have been proper contingency planning in place anywhere, and far too much concentration on the "optics" when it was starting off.

If it sounds like being wise after the event, fair enough, but it will be about next time soon enough, and now we know.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 30, 2020, 11:35:03 AM
That's why you run exercises Kev, to learn from them, the lockdown will be difficult to maintain long term, the government knew that, that's why the held off as long as they could, they tried to achieve social distancing by a degree of friendly compliance, unfortunately, some of us took the the guidance, I've been isolating for two weeks now, some chose to carry on as normal, that's not the  governments fault, that's just people not being able to see the obvious and continuing to spread the virus.

John even NHS staff could be spreading the virus cause they haven't got enough PPE now that is the governments fault.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 30, 2020, 12:13:52 PM
Just popped out to the local Sainsburys to get a few supplies and some low life(s) have put every single window through.
Mindless burkes.
Glaziers just doing the repairs but the shop will be out of commission for the rest of the day.
I did read in the press last week that soldiers were on standby to 'guard' supermarkets and the like, I never believed we would need that.
Now I do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on March 30, 2020, 01:44:27 PM
Just popped out to the local Sainsburys to get a few supplies and some low life(s) have put every single window through.
Mindless burkes.
Glaziers just doing the repairs but the shop will be out of commission for the rest of the day.
I did read in the press last week that soldiers were on standby to 'guard' supermarkets and the like, I never believed we would need that.
Now I do.

Government’s fault!!, Tuamigos, they should have thought this through and surrounded the Store with the Army and a tank at every Supermarket, long ago.
In all seriousness the Government are trying to take the people with them , Softly, softly, they are testing the people’s response to every measure they take.
Whilst controlling the situation with the Country’s consent.
Already, Supermarkets have been attacked at night. Can you imagine the response if the government had imposed a full lockdown much earlier - possibly soon after the Chinese lockdown.
Btw,it is not clear at this stage what the outcome will be after the Chinese lockdown. There is a possibility the virus will return with a vengeance should the Chinese decide to ease the restrictions too quickly. Our Government will look very closely at the Chinese results and act accordingly (depending that we can trust the Chinese to release the true results?).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 30, 2020, 01:45:04 PM
Just popped out to the local Sainsburys to get a few supplies and some low life(s) have put every single window through.
Mindless burkes.
Glaziers just doing the repairs but the shop will be out of commission for the rest of the day.
I did read in the press last week that soldiers were on standby to 'guard' supermarkets and the like, I never believed we would need that.
Now I do.
I said earlier in the thread....I strongly believe shots will need to be fired.
Some people only understand one message.....it’s a shame.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on March 30, 2020, 01:57:39 PM
I said earlier in the thread....I strongly believe shots will need to be fired.
Some people only understand one message.....it’s a shame.

I can’t see shots being fired at unarmed citizens in any circumstance. The government / police would get slaughtered for it. The might have to use other unprecedented measuress though, water cannons maybe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 30, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
Possibly in the future, all the shops will have their shutters closed and we shall have rationing, thus allowing everyone to have equal shares.
It showed up when people started loading their trolleys up and hoarding.
Extreme measures for this extreme situation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 30, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
I can’t see shots being fired at unarmed citizens in any circumstance. The government / police would get slaughtered for it. The might have to use other unprecedented measuress though, water cannons maybe.
Think Boris Johnson's water cannon's shouldn't have been sold for scrap at £300k loss . :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 30, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Strange lot these foreigners. (Jingoistic or what?)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52084121

I do a fair bit of lay betting and I notice that the Belarus leagues are about the only meaningful football games being played around the world. I saw on the news today that the Belarus President has just played a game of Ice Hockey and that his solution is that  'vodka and saunas will cure coronavirus'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11282607/belarus-president-coronavirus-vodka-saunas/

Lets see if he thinks the same next week.

I also note that the only meaningful horse racing around is from the USA, Australia and SA. I wonder how long that will last?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 30, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
I was in Thailand for a month in February, just as this was all kicking off. Whilst there we met a group of Americans who were English teachers living in Shanghai. They had the good fortune of being sent on a teaching mission to Thailand just as this was breaking and obviously we discussed it in great detail. The one thing they told me was that 'if China say a few thousand have died, you can add a couple of noughts onto their numbers', and that comes from some guys who have lived there for a few years. I never mentioned it as it could be seen as a 'chinese whisper', but today I came across this;

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11283933/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-cover-up-urns/ 

I know its only the Sun but.......
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggie53 on March 30, 2020, 04:32:35 PM
I am convinced that the virus was circulating before China reported it in December, maybe also outside of China
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on March 30, 2020, 04:46:50 PM
I am convinced that the virus was circulating before China reported it in December, maybe also outside of China

Its also been suggested that Austria knew they had it but kept it quiet so as not to disturb their skiing industry.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 30, 2020, 05:01:13 PM
We weren't prepared, otherwise we'd have had PPE ready for front line staff and we'd have take steps to flatten the curve. 

Have you read the pandemic plan?  I have.  It was for a flu pandemic with a much lower fatality rate, it wasn't suitable for what we are facing.  We watched what happened in other countries and ignored it.   2 weeks ago Boris was bragging about shaking hands with coronavirus patients.

We changed direction when we realised how many deaths the current plan would have led to.  Since then we've reacted as well as we could be expected to but we wasted a lot of time when we could have been saving more lives.

Gone on I bite what plan have you been reading .... it would have dates on it, asking as I also have read the government plan and it’s not just for flu
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 30, 2020, 05:11:55 PM
John even NHS staff could be spreading the virus cause they haven't got enough PPE now that is the governments fault.

The NHS have their own procurement systems, the government is trying to obtain PPE equipment against a backdrop of world shortages and massive daily use probably a 100 times what would normally be used.
I see that Boris's approach to industry for ventilators is now baring fruit, scoffed at by his critics, the death rate has fallen for two days now, we are doing okay I think.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kirk on March 30, 2020, 06:29:35 PM
The NHS have their own procurement systems, the government is trying to obtain PPE equipment against a backdrop of world shortages and massive daily use probably a 100 times what would normally be used.
I see that Boris's approach to industry for ventilators is now baring fruit, scoffed at by his critics, the death rate has fallen for two days now, we are doing okay I think.

A French company that makes the face masks stated that their first order from any government was by the UK but the French government stopped them exporting them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 30, 2020, 08:12:33 PM
Gone on I bite what plan have you been reading .... it would have dates on it, asking as I also have read the government plan and it’s not just for flu

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/pandemic-influenza-response-plan

I think it was that one.  I'm on phone so not 100% sure, will double check tomorrow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hardtobeat on March 30, 2020, 08:27:30 PM
I am intrigued that despite all the governments claims that Ocado can purchase with some ease it would seem 100k tests so they can test staff ? This is way more than the NHS are testing per week
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 30, 2020, 08:31:05 PM
A French company that makes the face masks stated that their first order from any government was by the UK but the French government stopped them exporting them.

Does not surprise me.
My sister in law has downs syndrome, she lives in Droitwich, a helper at her home fell ill was tested, test was negative, then retested, test was positive, the tests are clearly not that reliable as was suggested by the experts, so untill they were more accurate, the Government was.not relying on them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hardtobeat on March 30, 2020, 10:35:36 PM
Does not surprise me.
My sister in law has downs syndrome, she lives in Droitwich, a helper at her home fell ill was tested, test was negative, then retested, test was positive, the tests are clearly not that reliable as was suggested by the experts, so untill they were more accurate, the Government was.not relying on them.
Doesn't explain the bull we have been hearing over testing I.e different ministers quoting different numbers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 30, 2020, 11:02:45 PM
Doesn't explain the bull we have been hearing over testing I.e different ministers quoting different numbers.

Not only about the testing but the PPE being delivered to Hospitals, Shortages in supplies of protective equipment for health workers has led to a desperate NHS procurement chief tweeting “God help us all”.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 31, 2020, 12:07:39 PM
Trump doesn't like straighforward questions by the look of it. I thought it was a reasonable question;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/52100561/trump-on-coronavirus-heated-response-to-snarky-nasty-question
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 31, 2020, 12:30:54 PM
Trump doesn't like straighforward questions by the look of it. I thought it was a reasonable question;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/52100561/trump-on-coronavirus-heated-response-to-snarky-nasty-question

Kev the bloke is a utter idiot.

He responded to an question  When asked by PBS News Hour journalist Yamiche Alcindor about per capita testing in the US compared with South Korea

'I know South Korea better than anybody' "It's a very tight... Do you know how many people are in Seoul? Do you know how big the city of Seoul is?"

He then answered his question: "38 million people. That's bigger than anything we have. "38million people, all tightly, wound together."

Seoul has a population of around 10million, according to its government website.

 :-[ :-[ :-[

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hull Baggie on March 31, 2020, 01:49:13 PM
Please keep all posts about Coronavirus. Non coronavirus posts will be removed. Remember politics is a banned topic on here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 31, 2020, 04:55:55 PM
Just listening to the Governor of NY - Andrew Cuomo. Likes to talk a lot but he has a much better grasp of the gravity of the situation than Donald, who seems to think that everything could have been back to normal by Easter. [I know he has changed his view slightly now].

Today's toll in the UK is 367 which is not good.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 31, 2020, 05:10:27 PM
Just listening to the Governor of NY - Andrew Cuomo. Likes to talk a lot but he has a much better grasp of the gravity of the situation than Donald, who seems to think that everything could have been back to normal by Easter. [I know he has changed his view slightly now].

Today's toll in the UK is 367 which is not good.

New total 381 dead now, but we cant blame anyone can we >:(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on March 31, 2020, 05:23:53 PM
I guess we can blame the Chinese, but I am quite sure the conspiracy theories will run and run on this one......

The only blame I lay at the moment is against the countless 'greasy jacks' who continue to carry on as normal because they think that it does not apply to them, thus potentially endangering anyone who comes close to them 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on March 31, 2020, 06:10:17 PM
New total 381 dead now, but we cant blame anyone can we >:(

I would really like to know who you blame for the Coronavirus dead?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 31, 2020, 06:51:55 PM
I would really like to know who you blame for the Coronavirus dead?

IMO the death toll would have been much lower if certain precautions had been implemented earlier.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 31, 2020, 07:15:23 PM
IMO the death toll would have been much lower if certain precautions had been implemented earlier.
By whom?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 31, 2020, 07:32:17 PM
IMO the death toll would have been much lower if certain precautions had been implemented earlier.
That is quite likely the truth.  Without attacking any political party in particular, it is often the case that a "new broom" administration suffers from having had a massive clearout of old hands who are seen as tainted.  I never had a lot of time for Jeremy Hunt, Ken Clarke I thought was solid, but without people who have been there for a while and know the ropes it does like there was/is a vacuum of sorts around the top.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 31, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
I guess we can blame the Chinese, but I am quite sure the conspiracy theories will run and run on this one......

The only blame I lay at the moment is against the countless 'greasy jacks' who continue to carry on as normal because they think that it does not apply to them, thus potentially endangering anyone who comes close to them

Exactly, people were told to stop going out on the 16th March, some of us did that, some others didn't, they were to blame for any further spreading, not the government.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 31, 2020, 08:54:52 PM
Exactly, people were told to stop going out on the 16th March, some of us did that, some others didn't, they were to blame for any further spreading, not the government.

Why keep pubs, restaurants and clubs open for a further 4 days if people were told to stop going out.  The Premier League and the EFL stopped all games on the 14th March, looks like they were more up to date than the government.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 31, 2020, 09:12:40 PM
Why keep pubs, restaurants and clubs open for a further 4 days if people were told to stop going out.  The Premier League and the EFL stopped all games on the 14th March, looks like they were more up to date than the government.
Why can't you give it a rest? The mods have asked people to keep it non political but you just can't can you? With all the problems the World is going through you just have to keep having a pop. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on March 31, 2020, 09:17:52 PM
By whom?

By everyone.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on March 31, 2020, 09:29:17 PM
Why can't you give it a rest? The mods have asked people to keep it non political but you just can't can you? With all the problems the World is going through you just have to keep having a pop. Disgraceful.

 :o I will watch my P & Q's from now on.  No more political statements.  Sorry if that my statements have upset you. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on March 31, 2020, 09:34:51 PM
:o I will watch my P & Q's from now on.  No more political statements.  Sorry if that my statements have upset you.

I guessed you were totally politically biased - hence asking the question, to which I knew your answer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on March 31, 2020, 09:35:37 PM
:o I will watch my P & Q's from now on.  No more political statements.  Sorry if that my statements have upset you.
They haven't upset me they have annoyed me now is not the time for the blame game. Now is the time to pull together and get through this the best we can.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on March 31, 2020, 09:44:25 PM
I'm normally working 7 days a week at this time of year but I'm now already struggling staying at home, trying to keep busy doing what jobs i can around the house but inevitably you need something from the diy shop that's shut😄

How dire is daytime tv?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on March 31, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
I'm normally working 7 days a week at this time of year but I'm now already struggling staying at home, trying to keep busy doing what jobs i can around the house but inevitably you need something from the diy shop that's shut😄

How dire is daytime tv?
The Sweeney.  Fag guv?  I would.  No wonder a whole generation of men grew up sexist pigs  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 31, 2020, 10:08:06 PM
I'm normally working 7 days a week at this time of year but I'm now already struggling staying at home, trying to keep busy doing what jobs i can around the house but inevitably you need something from the diy shop that's shut😄

How dire is daytime tv?

B and Q and Screwfix both have a click and collect, B and Q is a nightmare though, their I T is rubbish on a good day, today, I clicked and went to collect, but there system had crashed!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 31, 2020, 11:01:51 PM
Anyone politicising the deaths of thousands of people is a disgrace, it's that simple.


Unfortunately people die, the crude death rate in the UK last year was 620 thousand people. So far this has killed a shade under 1800. That's 0.29% of last years total death toll.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 01, 2020, 08:27:53 AM
Anyone politicising the deaths of thousands of people is a disgrace, it's that simple.


Unfortunately people die, the crude death rate in the UK last year was 620 thousand people. So far this has killed a shade under 1800. That's 0.29% of last years total death toll.

That's a ridiculous way of looking at it.   Do you think what the entire world is doing is some sort of over reaction?  That we are building emergency hospitals to house thousands for no real reason?  Every country around the world has taken steps to try and reduce the severity of this virus at great expense to their economy.  Take a look at the video of the Italian hospitals, or the testimony of their doctors, or that they have to take ventilators of the elderly and give them to someone who has a better chance of dying.

"Unfortunately people die". 

Have I just been April Fooled?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: dangerman on April 01, 2020, 09:03:01 AM
I was very firmly in the "more people die from flu every year" camp when this all started.

The more I learn about this virus the more it frightens me to be honest. I also think there is a lot they are not telling us (but that's a discussion for another day).

The very fact that this is killing younger and younger people with no pre-existing conditions should be ringing alarm bells now (if this virus hasn't already).

People are passing away where in normal circumstances shouldn't be dieing. People in this country are now being selected to die over others due to the shortage of equipment which the government new about back in 2016. Imagine being the family of that person or the doctor who has to make the choice of who they help and who they leave.

This isn't a kind death either. People are suffocating slowly.  Most are fully aware what's going on and are powerless to do anything.

Families are being denied the opportunity to see their loved ones and people are dieing a frightening death alone.

Unfortunately, people do die but a lot of the circumstances around this could have been prevented if the government had acted in 2016.

This is 100% a political issue but perhaps now isn't quite the time to point fingers but people need to be held accountable for the poor decisions that have been made.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 01, 2020, 09:36:10 AM
My view of this is that we only know about the tip of the iceberg, 10 people have died in Southampton, over 100 people are in hospital with it, that tends to suggest that more than 1000 people (probably more) have it in the local area.

This is not a densely populated area.

We know the Midlands is the second worst area, much worse than Southampton.

The government will make mistakes with this, its only to be expected, unity is our best way forward.

The testing is an issue that the government must resolve, but mass testing is only now becoming important as we plan maintenance of NHS cover and recovery.

I do believe that herd immunity does remain part of the plan (it is not articulated by government because by definition, it requires some deaths, but longer term it enables suppression of second spikes). Once we have 60% immunity the virus will fade away.

If we get away with less than 6000 deaths, that is a great achievement.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 01, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
That's a ridiculous way of looking at it.   Do you think what the entire world is doing is some sort of over reaction?  That we are building emergency hospitals to house thousands for no real reason?  Every country around the world has taken steps to try and reduce the severity of this virus at great expense to their economy.  Take a look at the video of the Italian hospitals, or the testimony of their doctors, or that they have to take ventilators of the elderly and give them to someone who has a better chance of dying.

"Unfortunately people die". 

Have I just been April Fooled?

i suggest its fortunate that people die, it would be crowded if they didn't !  that siad isnt there a statistic that more than half the people that have EVER lived are alive now, or something like that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 01, 2020, 10:12:08 AM
Big shout to those who've transformed the Excel Centre into a ready to use hospital, 500 beds up and ready in such short space of time is remarkable.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: MarkW on April 01, 2020, 10:28:46 AM
Big shout to those who've transformed the Excel Centre into a ready to use hospital, 500 beds up and ready in such short space of time is remarkable.

My girlfriend is a front line doctor and that place has been dubbed "God's Waiting Room". The work they have done to set it up is fantastic, but if you end up there, your days are numbered
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on April 01, 2020, 10:45:15 AM
My view of this is that we only know about the tip of the iceberg, 10 people have died in Southampton, over 100 people are in hospital with it, that tends to suggest that more than 1000 people (probably more) have it in the local area.

This is not a densely populated area.

We know the Midlands is the second worst area, much worse than Southampton.

The government will make mistakes with this, its only to be expected, unity is our best way forward.

The testing is an issue that the government must resolve, but mass testing is only now becoming important as we plan maintenance of NHS cover and recovery.

I do believe that herd immunity does remain part of the plan (it is not articulated by government because by definition, it requires some deaths, but longer term it enables suppression of second spikes). Once we have 60% immunity the virus will fade away.

If we get away with less than 6000 deaths, that is a great achievement.

Do you mean 60,000? It imagine it’s almost certain we will have more than 6k. We will pass 6k in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 01, 2020, 10:53:13 AM
The predicted deaths for the UK were 5-7k. We are now in the peak period and due a slowdown in deaths after next week according to most reports that I read.

Thosd predictions are based on the vast majority of people obeying self-isolation rules. If people ignore the rules then expect to be above that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 01, 2020, 11:05:03 AM
From memory I think it was the Chief Medical Officer who recently said that if they can keep it to under 20,000 we as a country will have done well. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 01, 2020, 11:25:58 AM
The centre is missing.  Things fall apart.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 01, 2020, 11:26:16 AM
Big shout to those who've transformed the Excel Centre into a ready to use hospital, 500 beds up and ready in such short space of time is remarkable.

Regardless of timelines, Leeds would have brought more  ;) .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 01, 2020, 11:48:02 AM
Regardless of timelines, Leeds would have brought more  ;) .
500 beds not 500 knobs.😷
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 01, 2020, 11:48:34 AM
I feel that foreign NHS workers should automatically have the right to stay here (even the cleaners). They have put themselves at risk for us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2020, 11:59:07 AM
I feel that foreign NHS workers should automatically have the right to stay here (even the cleaners). They have put themselves at risk for us.

I believe that the government have said that there is no need for foreign workers to renew their visas at this moment in time
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2020, 12:15:03 PM
Anyone politicising the deaths of thousands of people is a disgrace, it's that simple.


Unfortunately people die, the crude death rate in the UK last year was 620 thousand people. So far this has killed a shade under 1800. That's 0.29% of last years total death toll.
Not sure what your point is here ? If the country and the world do nothing so no lockdown, no social distancing, no provision of medical capacity and equipment, no research for vaccines or research into reacting to possible mutations, the potential for deaths is horrendous. Mr Trump, the world leader in downplaying this is having to change his tune.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 01, 2020, 12:48:33 PM
Lets remember,
We are not coming out of this and are no where near to that, the whole strategy is to keep numbers down for a longer duration, so that the NHS can cope.

If the plan goes well, The peak will be more of a plateau with deaths rolling along at a steady level for an extended period. Hopefully summer will depress the numbers somewhat, but come late autumn it WILL start climbing again unless a vaccine has been developed which is highly, highly unlikely.

As for the "plan" in USA, I'm incredulous that their scientific community is not in open rebellion. I fear that is going to be a horrific situation in around 6-8 weeks time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 01, 2020, 01:31:24 PM
I believe that the government have said that there is no need for foreign workers to renew their visas at this moment in time
I think that it should be a given, that it would be a permanent right to stay here.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 01, 2020, 02:01:39 PM
Absolutely agree. They are risking their lives for us so we should welcome them with open arms.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: MarkW on April 01, 2020, 02:10:07 PM
If this rolls into summer, I can see it being harder to get people to stay inside. Our houses aren't built for heat, so if we have another hot summer I'm sure people will start flouting the rules
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 01, 2020, 02:15:08 PM
Simply cannot see governments enforcing lockdowns for that long. 2 more months tops i reckon although that would be June anyway. It will reach a point where they lift restrictions and simply offer 'advice' in my opinion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 01, 2020, 02:15:15 PM
If this rolls into summer, I can see it being harder to get people to stay inside. Our houses aren't built for heat, so if we have another hot summer I'm sure people will start flouting the rules

This is exactly why the government delayed as long as possible on the lockdown.
I can already noticeably see more people venturing out, almost everyone is social distancing correctly, but it's getting harder to maintain that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 01, 2020, 02:31:17 PM
That's a ridiculous way of looking at it.   Do you think what the entire world is doing is some sort of over reaction?  That we are building emergency hospitals to house thousands for no real reason?  Every country around the world has taken steps to try and reduce the severity of this virus at great expense to their economy.  Take a look at the video of the Italian hospitals, or the testimony of their doctors, or that they have to take ventilators of the elderly and give them to someone who has a better chance of dying.

"Unfortunately people die". 

Have I just been April Fooled?


I haven't made any inference. You however have used the deaths of these people to criticise the government response in nearly every post you have made on the subject.





Not sure what your point is here ? If the country and the world do nothing so no lockdown, no social distancing, no provision of medical capacity and equipment, no research for vaccines or research into reacting to possible mutations, the potential for deaths is horrendous. Mr Trump, the world leader in downplaying this is having to change his tune.


I was very careful not to make a point in the paragraph you've highlighted, I just provided raw data.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 01, 2020, 02:56:38 PM
Let’s all play nicely, it’s a very stressful and emotional time for everybody.
I’ve had quite a few bouts of locking horns with some on here inc Jacko, but he was only stating facts and reminding all that now is not the time for political jibes (as pointed out by mods too)

This is a bloody good forum and it’s a welcome respite for some, nowt wrong with having an opinion, even if we don’t all agree

Stay safe all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 01, 2020, 03:05:32 PM
If this rolls into summer, I can see it being harder to get people to stay inside. Our houses aren't built for heat, so if we have another hot summer I'm sure people will start flouting the rules
The cops will be praying for a cold, rainy summer if it goes on, hot bank holidays are an excuse for riots at the best of times.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 01, 2020, 03:11:14 PM
Not political. I wonder how long the pubs will be shut for ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 01, 2020, 03:14:48 PM
Dear All,

After the kindness and support you have given and have shown to me, I thought the least I could do was to let you know that my father-in-law passed away earlier this afternoon. We were with him at the end and he went peacefully, aware that his closest family were at his bedside.

He was 94 on 9th March and had had a good life. He was a well known Orchid grower both in the UK and internationally and a member of the World Orchid Society of Judges.

From grafting tiny orchid spores from different species together and many, many hours of TLC, he developed two new species of orchid, a feat many orchid enthusiasts are unable to replicate. He named one of the Orchids after his wife and one after his only daughter and child and these are still marketed commercially.

He wasn't a big Albion fan or football fan come to that, but he has done something not many of us have done and that is to have had a photo taken holding The FA Cup with Albion Ribbons on it.

The care home he was in have been nothing short of brilliant with us, allowing us to visit, in these difficult and trying times, whenever we wanted. I had the phone on my bedside table each night, just in case.

The doctor responsible for the care home is sure it wasn't Covid-19 and a swab was taken from him on Tuesday, the results should be available later on today. The home have said they will inform us of the results when they have them.

I haven'y posted for awhile and it might be awhile before I do again, which will be a relief to some no doubt  :)

Thank you again and forgive my ramblings above, it's my inadequate attempt at a tribute to him.

Please all take care, stay safe and stay well.



Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 01, 2020, 03:20:17 PM
Condolences to you and your family AF, he sounds like a great man. May he Rest In Peace.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 01, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
All of the very best to you and yours AF, take care fella.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 01, 2020, 03:32:28 PM
Sorry to hear that AF, a lovely tribute for him from you. Take care of yourself and those around you as i have no doubt you will.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 01, 2020, 03:38:03 PM
Sorry to hear that AF.   You look after yourself and the family. I would like to thank you for your kind words when I was going though a rough patch I will always be grateful.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 01, 2020, 03:55:49 PM
Sorry to hear that AF, may he Rest In Peace.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 01, 2020, 04:23:54 PM
sorry to hear you news AF. Condolences to you and the family.

You have posted with great dignity at a time that must have been very stressful for you all.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 01, 2020, 04:24:37 PM
May you and your family rest in the knowledge that you were with him during his struggles, and with him at the end.
May God bless you, Colin.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2020, 04:29:09 PM
Condolences AF to you and your family
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: dangerman on April 01, 2020, 04:44:25 PM
Sorry to hear the news.

Condolences to you and your family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 01, 2020, 05:07:06 PM
My deepest condolences to you and your family and what a lovely description of what your farther-in-law will be remembered for.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 01, 2020, 05:28:07 PM
My condolences to you and your family - AF.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 01, 2020, 05:51:39 PM
Very sorry to hear your news AF - my condolences to you and your family
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 01, 2020, 06:55:19 PM
my condolences to you and yours AF, no words will help, please stay strong and well.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 01, 2020, 07:28:51 PM
Condolences AF ....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 01, 2020, 07:56:13 PM
Condolences AF
Don't cry that his life's over
Take pleasure it happened and you were part of it.


Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 02, 2020, 04:24:55 AM
Condolences AF
Don't cry that his life's over
Take pleasure it happened and you were part of it.
Condolences AF to you and your family. Your father-in-law will Rest in Peace, safe in the knowledge that he was much loved.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: KN22 on April 02, 2020, 12:54:31 PM
Heartfelt condolences AF. Best wishes to you and yours....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on April 02, 2020, 03:12:34 PM
Over 500 more have sadly passed away. That's nearly 3000 in total with over a third of those in the last 48 hours.

The numbers are slightly below where Italy were 2 weeks ago, but not by much.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2020, 10:17:12 PM
People at my work are now starting to panic a bit i think. As I've mentioned I manage a Residential home with 3 young guys, 2 with autism and one with severe epilepsy who at just 25, bless him, is high risk and isolating for 12 weeks with our support as he has no understanding. People are worried about him and now beginning to ask lots of questions wondering what happens should one the people we support fall to CV-19. It's tough because there is a massive element of unknown for all of us.

Most are genuinely unfazed though which is great to see.

Our PPE situation isn't so good. We have the basics that we need - masks, gloves, aprons etc but it's not a quality that would protect people as much as NHS staff have. It feels a bit like Health & Social Care is being left behind at times. We aren't frontline like Nurses in hospitals but if somebody contracts it I will expect and hope staff will support still.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 02, 2020, 10:56:11 PM
Lewis or ant or whatever your name is   ;D, you are an absolute credit to be even vaguely associated with, I am truly in awe to see the dedication and simple humanity that people in your profession are displaying at such a horrific time, it's heart warming and inspiring and makes me feel totally inadequate actually.

You have inspired me to try and help out one of our local nursing homes tomorrow, in my shoes what would be something you would do to have the  most impact??
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2020, 11:02:09 PM
Lewis or ant or whatever your name is, you are an absolute credit to be even vaguely associated with, I am truly in awe to see the dedication and simple humanity that people in your profession are displaying at such a horrific time, it's heart warming and inspiring and makes me feel totally inadequate actually.

You have inspired me to try and help out one of our local nursing homes tomorrow, in my shoes what would be something you would do to have the  most impact??


This is a lovely post and a brilliant sentiment, but the best thing you can do for these vulnerable people is to stay at home.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2020, 11:04:04 PM
Lewis or ant or whatever your name is   ;D, you are an absolute credit to be even vaguely associated with, I am truly in awe to see the dedication and simple humanity that people in your profession are displaying at such a horrific time, it's heart warming and inspiring and makes me feel totally inadequate actually.

You have inspired me to try and help out one of our local nursing homes tomorrow, in my shoes what would be something you would do to have the  most impact??

Stay away, haha no just kidding. Sorry, i have a dark humour, needed in this job! That's a lovely post - i feel awkward as i'm not good at taking such lovely messages and i'm so gutted that tonight i forgot to step outside and clap as i was in the shower after an 11 hour day. Probably the best thing you could do, is offer to pick some shopping up. That's one of the hardest parts at the moment. Can't get deliveries, need to send people to queue up and potentially pick up viruses as well as the shopping. Let us know what you do - you have a kind heart.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 02, 2020, 11:05:02 PM

This is a lovely post and a brilliant sentiment, but the best thing you can do for these vulnerable people is to stay at home.

Jacko is right actually - don't put yourself at risk either.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 02, 2020, 11:08:00 PM
Cheers lads, I feel i have got to do something, will call them tomorrow and see what I can do
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on April 03, 2020, 04:23:56 AM
A 5g mast has been set on fire in Tyseley. Do these numpties really believe they are connected to coronavirus? :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 03, 2020, 07:10:17 AM
A 5g mast has been set on fire in Tyseley. Do these numpties really believe they are connected to coronavirus? :o
It’s most probably some kind of protest toward the Chinese. Gotta blame someone for our situation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 03, 2020, 11:27:17 AM
And they celebrated with chicken chow mien on the way home .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 03, 2020, 11:49:12 AM
Somebody set fire to a bench in a church yard in Droitwich.
It beggars belief.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 03, 2020, 11:53:51 AM
When this is all over we must not forget the brilliant staff of the NHS.  I would gladly pay a bit more tax, to pay for a massive pay rise for them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 03, 2020, 12:23:47 PM
Petty vandalism and fly tipping all over Cardiff, some people are beyond words, or beyond the words allowed on here anyway, contrast that behaviour with Lewisant and all the other health/social carers up and down the country.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 03, 2020, 01:30:12 PM
When this is all over we must not forget the brilliant staff of the NHS.  I would gladly pay a bit more tax, to pay for a massive pay rise for them.
I am with you on that.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 03, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
Don't worry, we will all be paying more tax after this, big bill to be paid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 03, 2020, 03:03:33 PM
Don't worry, we will all be paying more tax after this, big bill to be paid.

To be totally honest, I'm more concerned at what state the UK will be in on the other side of Covid19 than as things stand.

I understand that may be seen as mental but I am very concerned.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 03, 2020, 03:59:09 PM
684 more deaths in the UK in the last 24 hours.  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 03, 2020, 04:02:38 PM
To be totally honest, I'm more concerned at what state the UK will be in on the other side of Covid19 than as things stand.

I understand that may be seen as mental but I am very concerned.
No you are not, I agree, we are in for a rough ride all round, the "old" system was broken by the financial crash, this is ripping off the bandages, and there's still the consequences of the other matter that shall not be mentioned to factor in for good or bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 03, 2020, 04:15:28 PM
No you are not, I agree, we are in for a rough ride all round, the "old" system was broken by the financial crash, this is ripping off the bandages, and there's still the consequences of the other matter that shall not be mentioned to factor in for good or bad.

This crisis makes the 'matter-that-shall-not-be-named' look pretty irrelevant. If you think it's going to be grim here - it is - just imagine what it's going to be like on the other side of the Channel. Carnage.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 03, 2020, 04:28:48 PM
This crisis makes the 'matter-that-shall-not-be-named' look pretty irrelevant. If you think it's going to be grim here - it is - just imagine what it's going to be like on the other side of the Channel. Carnage.

Not just the other side of the Channel, it will be carnage world wide I would say.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 03, 2020, 04:57:24 PM
Well, chaps if the passing of my father-in-law wasn't bad enough, the care home he was in phoned this morning to advise he had tested positive for Covid-19.

As you may be able to appreciate, my wife and I are now concerned about our own health and welfare. We have a long 14 days in front of us, as the incubation period is 5-14 days, we are two days into that timescale. Every time we visited him we were provided with PPE, face mask, apron, gloves and hand sanitiser on entering and leaving the building, but one never knows.

Our children are obviously concerned and have bought fruit, vitamin tablets with zinc that contain C and D vitamins, pain killers. I also suffer a little with asthma, but have sufficient supply of inhalers to hand.

My eldest son works for a guy whose wife is high up in the nursing profession her in the UK and my daughter, in Australia, has friends in the medical profession and their combined advice, which I thought I'd share with you, just in case, is

1. Drink lots of hot water on its own
2. Drink hot water with a slice of lemon in it
3. Take Vitamin C and D, fruit or tablets, Pineapple is rich in vitamin C
4. Keep exercising
5. Eat Garlic raw or cooked, but with other food
6. Take your temperature regularly
7. Test regular with a finger Oximeter (blood/oxygen levels and pulse rate)
8. If you've had a TB injection that is thought to reduce the impact of C19
9. Paracetamol and Ibuprofen tablets
10. Pray

Who knows if this will help, but you have to hope, firstly, you aren't infected and secondly, if you are, that they do provide help and relief in avoiding the worst onset of the virus.

If you know of any other suggestions that you think may help or be useful, then I implore you please share with others

Please take care of yourselves don't go out, we know we've been in contact with it, if you go out the likely hood is you wont know if you've been in contact with it, which might be marginal better than out situation.

 Stay safe and well
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 03, 2020, 06:15:55 PM
Not just the other side of the Channel, it will be carnage world wide I would say.

I don’t agree with a lot of what you say Kev (I hope I can call you that) but I do believe that we will have a massive economic crash the like the World has never seen before.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 03, 2020, 06:31:23 PM
Well, chaps if the passing of my father-in-law wasn't bad enough, the care home he was in phoned this morning to advise he had tested positive for Covid-19.

As you may be able to appreciate, my wife and I are now concerned about our own health and welfare. We have a long 14 days in front of us, as the incubation period is 5-14 days, we are two days into that timescale. Every time we visited him we were provided with PPE, face mask, apron, gloves and hand sanitiser on entering and leaving the building, but one never knows.

Our children are obviously concerned and have bought fruit, vitamin tablets with zinc that contain C and D vitamins, pain killers. I also suffer a little with asthma, but have sufficient supply of inhalers to hand.

My eldest son works for a guy whose wife is high up in the nursing profession her in the UK and my daughter, in Australia, has friends in the medical profession and their combined advice, which I thought I'd share with you, just in case, is

1. Drink lots of hot water on its own
2. Drink hot water with a slice of lemon in it
3. Take Vitamin C and D, fruit or tablets, Pineapple is rich in vitamin C
4. Keep exercising
5. Eat Garlic raw or cooked, but with other food
6. Take your temperature regularly
7. Test regular with a finger Oximeter (blood/oxygen levels and pulse rate)
8. If you've had a TB injection that is thought to reduce the impact of C19
9. Paracetamol and Ibuprofen tablets
10. Pray

Who knows if this will help, but you have to hope, firstly, you aren't infected and secondly, if you are, that they do provide help and relief in avoiding the worst onset of the virus.

If you know of any other suggestions that you think may help or be useful, then I implore you please share with others

Please take care of yourselves don't go out, we know we've been in contact with it, if you go out the likely hood is you wont know if you've been in contact with it, which might be marginal better than out situation.

 Stay safe and well

Don't wish to be contrary but I thought ibuprofen was not a good idea if you get it. Condolences and best wishes to you both.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2020, 06:38:24 PM
I'm currently in day 6 of a 7 day isolation. I felt extremely ill on Saturday night and all day Sunday. The fever broke after about 48 hours and I have been on full bed rest since. I am in vulnerable group.


I drank plenty of water, regulated body temperature (something which is counter intuitive), paracetamol every 4 hours, no caffeine, simple and plain foods (dry toast, broths).


It's been a testing week but I'm coming out the other side and looking forward to a short constitutional tomorrow.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 03, 2020, 06:44:03 PM
I don’t agree with a lot of what you say Kev (I hope I can call you that) but I do believe that we will have a massive economic crash the like the World has never seen before.

We may have differences with a lot of things like you say but it dont mean you cant call me Kev or even buy me a pint after all this is over.  :) ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 03, 2020, 06:46:18 PM
Don't wish to be contrary but I thought ibuprofen was not a good idea if you get it. Condolences and best wishes to you both.

Thank you for your thoughts, they are very much appreciated and will be taken on board I assure you "The Black Pearl". But personally your real name would be nice and more friendly way for me to thank you.

ps. really great idea and thread by Clive in these troubled time and it makes things more humane and personal, Thank you Clive
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 03, 2020, 06:53:59 PM
We may have differences with a lot of things like you say but it dont mean you cant call me Kev or even buy me a pint after all this is over.  :) ;)

Cheers mate - Ken
Stay safe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 03, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
I'm currently in day 6 of a 7 day isolation. I felt extremely ill on Saturday night and all day Sunday. The fever broke after about 48 hours and I have been on full bed rest since. I am in vulnerable group.


I drank plenty of water, regulated body temperature (something which is counter intuitive), paracetamol every 4 hours, no caffeine, simple and plain foods (dry toast, broths).


It's been a testing week but I'm coming out the other side and looking forward to a short constitutional tomorrow.

Relieved to read that Lee.

Very best wishes Colin
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 03, 2020, 07:30:45 PM
Well, chaps if the passing of my father-in-law wasn't bad enough, the care home he was in phoned this morning to advise he had tested positive for Covid-19.

As you may be able to appreciate, my wife and I are now concerned about our own health and welfare. We have a long 14 days in front of us, as the incubation period is 5-14 days, we are two days into that timescale. Every time we visited him we were provided with PPE, face mask, apron, gloves and hand sanitiser on entering and leaving the building, but one never knows.

Our children are obviously concerned and have bought fruit, vitamin tablets with zinc that contain C and D vitamins, pain killers. I also suffer a little with asthma, but have sufficient supply of inhalers to hand.

My eldest son works for a guy whose wife is high up in the nursing profession her in the UK and my daughter, in Australia, has friends in the medical profession and their combined advice, which I thought I'd share with you, just in case, is

1. Drink lots of hot water on its own
2. Drink hot water with a slice of lemon in it
3. Take Vitamin C and D, fruit or tablets, Pineapple is rich in vitamin C
4. Keep exercising
5. Eat Garlic raw or cooked, but with other food
6. Take your temperature regularly
7. Test regular with a finger Oximeter (blood/oxygen levels and pulse rate)
8. If you've had a TB injection that is thought to reduce the impact of C19
9. Paracetamol and Ibuprofen tablets
10. Pray

Who knows if this will help, but you have to hope, firstly, you aren't infected and secondly, if you are, that they do provide help and relief in avoiding the worst onset of the virus.

If you know of any other suggestions that you think may help or be useful, then I implore you please share with others

Please take care of yourselves don't go out, we know we've been in contact with it, if you go out the likely hood is you wont know if you've been in contact with it, which might be marginal better than out situation.

 Stay safe and well
Hi Colin, it seems that it goes from bad to worse for you.
I am sure that everyone hopes that things will be OK for you and your family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 03, 2020, 07:30:55 PM
I'm currently in day 6 of a 7 day isolation. I felt extremely ill on Saturday night and all day Sunday. The fever broke after about 48 hours and I have been on full bed rest since. I am in vulnerable group.


I drank plenty of water, regulated body temperature (something which is counter intuitive), paracetamol every 4 hours, no caffeine, simple and plain foods (dry toast, broths).


It's been a testing week but I'm coming out the other side and looking forward to a short constitutional tomorrow.

Glad to hear you are on the mend. Here is a a video I hope you enjoy:
https://youtu.be/7LjANb2canU

 :D

Lee (yes another one)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggie53 on April 03, 2020, 08:14:09 PM
The UK is taking corona virus seriously
New testing is being conducted without the need to leave your home

All you have to do is mail your stool sample to:

Advanced Virus Fixing Centre (AVFC)
Villa Park
Birmingham
B6 6HE

Note: Large samples give a more accurate result
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 03, 2020, 10:16:22 PM
After a few weeks of waiting, my NHS Responder Volunteer has been approved after under going DBS checks.

I am now only approved to phone the vulnerable but I just hope I can helps others during this difficult  time.

If you haven’t considered volunteering, you might want to check it out in the link below

Source: https://www.england.nhs.uk/participation/get-involved/volunteering/

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 03, 2020, 11:03:52 PM
I'm currently in day 6 of a 7 day isolation. I felt extremely ill on Saturday night and all day Sunday. The fever broke after about 48 hours and I have been on full bed rest since. I am in vulnerable group.


I drank plenty of water, regulated body temperature (something which is counter intuitive), paracetamol every 4 hours, no caffeine, simple and plain foods (dry toast, broths).


It's been a testing week but I'm coming out the other side and looking forward to a short constitutional tomorrow.
Glad you appear to be on the mend , take care mate
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 04, 2020, 12:34:03 PM
Unbelievable moment this morning, queuing outside local co-op to get bread, milk and paper for my 98 y.old ma-in-law, fat bloke standing to one side waiting for his missus to come out hawked and spat in the street.  Six of us in the queue, just stared at him.  No-one said anything, what can you say?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 04, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
Tell him he's a dirty bugger
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 04, 2020, 01:20:40 PM
Some idiots are not taking this virus seriously, my missus has just come back from taking the dog a walk ( her daily one hour exercise ) she walked past a kids playground that has been locked.  4 idiots in the playground no not kids but lads in their late teens early 20's smoking their weed and were not 2 meters apart

Now my missus is a very shy person but she thought she had to say something so she told them that was not the right behaviour in the current climate, the abuse she got was disgusting, one idiot said to her " It's only old f***ers like you that get it and die" and another said " you grey haired old bag hope you die from it" .

I wanted to go and have a word myself to these idiots but my missus begged me not to, so we have reported them to the police. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 04, 2020, 02:01:39 PM
Some idiots are not taking this virus seriously, my missus has just come back from taking the dog a walk ( her daily one hour exercise ) she walked past a kids playground that has been locked.  4 idiots in the playground no not kids but lads in their late teens early 20's smoking their weed and were not 2 meters apart

Now my missus is a very shy person but she thought she had to say something so she told them that was not the right behaviour in the current climate, the abuse she got was disgusting, one idiot said to her " It's only old f***ers like you that get it and die" and another said " you grey haired old bag hope you die from it" .

I wanted to go and have a word myself to these idiots but my missus begged me not to, so we have reported them to the police.
Cynical but it's these **** who I couldn't care less about if the virus struck them instead of the decent folk who will sadly suffer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 04, 2020, 02:05:59 PM
I'm currently in day 6 of a 7 day isolation. I felt extremely ill on Saturday night and all day Sunday. The fever broke after about 48 hours and I have been on full bed rest since. I am in vulnerable group.


I drank plenty of water, regulated body temperature (something which is counter intuitive), paracetamol every 4 hours, no caffeine, simple and plain foods (dry toast, broths).


It's been a testing week but I'm coming out the other side and looking forward to a short constitutional tomorrow.

All of the very best mate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 04, 2020, 02:11:00 PM
..........Stay safe and well

And the same to you and yours Colin, all of the very best chap.

Danny.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 04, 2020, 04:29:23 PM
Some idiots are not taking this virus seriously, my missus has just come back from taking the dog a walk ( her daily one hour exercise ) she walked past a kids playground that has been locked.  4 idiots in the playground no not kids but lads in their late teens early 20's smoking their weed and were not 2 meters apart

Now my missus is a very shy person but she thought she had to say something so she told them that was not the right behaviour in the current climate, the abuse she got was disgusting, one idiot said to her " It's only old f***ers like you that get it and die" and another said " you grey haired old bag hope you die from it" .

I wanted to go and have a word myself to these idiots but my missus begged me not to, so we have reported them to the police.

Should have just reported them straight away Kev, waste of time talking to scum like that.
Midlands is becoming a hot bed for the virus, everyone needs to follow the rules
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 04, 2020, 08:05:33 PM
These kids are scum,I bet your wife was also terrified mate,they don't know they're born.
If it was me,I would have rang the cops on my mobile and still told them what I thought,they can shout all day long at me but not my wife.
Out of order and their parents too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 04, 2020, 08:52:55 PM
Cheers lads. Been out for a walk today, feel much much better.


Lee
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 04, 2020, 10:08:17 PM
Cheers lads. Been out for a walk today, feel much much better.


Lee

Glad you’re feeling better chap
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 05, 2020, 11:14:53 AM
Cheers lads. Been out for a walk today, feel much much better.


Lee
Great news ...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 05, 2020, 03:34:41 PM
So one of today's reported dead is my partners Aunt, who passed away at the QE late last night.

She was 87 bless her,and a real sports fan. I have know her for over 20 years and when I wanted to have a few games on the TV on a Sunday I would always suggest to my partner that her Aunt should come for Sunday lunch... always worked a treat. A lifelong Blues fan, a few years ago I suggested that she came to the Albion to a night game. She did and being a keen gardener she was absolutely blown away by the quality of the pitch... a bit different to St Andrews in the 60's and 70's I am told. She came with me several times, and always jumped out of her skin when we scored with all the noise from the fans - she loved it and only gave up accompanying me a few years ago when her legs became a problem.
She was a big motor racing fan as well and for the past few years we have watched the Indy 500 live on a Sunday evening. Last year she mentioned to my partner that she had never tried KFC but quite liked the look of it. So for the race I got a big bucket and a load of Buds.... she loved that too. Was looking forward to seeing Alonso race this year before it was called off.
Strange thing is that when we came back from Thailand in early March she would not see us for 14 days. It was only when she had a fall in the night and hurt herself that my partner went round. She stayed with her for 7 nights as she was frail and as you can imagine it was very difficult to get any help. Initially she was treated for water on her lungs, but it was only when we got a nurse in who immediately referred her to hospital [last weekend] that we thought she would be OK. It never occurred to us that it was the virus. Obviously we could not go and see her and but we had daily updates that she was on the up. So it was quite a shock to receive two calls yesterday; one from a doctor to confirm that she had the virus, and the second at 11.00pm last night to say that she had passed away.
We do not know if it was the virus from the outset, or whether she got it in hospital. Thinking about it now, if she did get it at home, she had milk, a paper and post delivered daily, so it could have come from them, or my partner could have taken it in [she is fine but we are now both worried]. We will never know but it has shown us how easy it is to get this damn thing.
I will miss ribbing her about another bluenose defeat......

Stay safe all. 
 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 05, 2020, 04:02:38 PM
So one of today's reported dead is my partners Aunt, who passed away at the QE late last night.

She was 87 bless her,and a real sports fan. I have know her for over 20 years and when I wanted to have a few games on the TV on a Sunday I would always suggest to my partner that her Aunt should come for Sunday lunch... always worked a treat. A lifelong Blues fan, a few years ago I suggested that she came to the Albion to a night game. She did and being a keen gardener she was absolutely blown away by the quality of the pitch... a bit different to St Andrews in the 60's and 70's I am told. She came with me several times, and always jumped out of her skin when we scored with all the noise from the fans - she loved it and only gave up accompanying me a few years ago when her legs became a problem.
She was a big motor racing fan as well and for the past few years we have watched the Indy 500 live on a Sunday evening. Last year she mentioned to my partner that she had never tried KFC but quite liked the look of it. So for the race I got a big bucket and a load of Buds.... she loved that too. Was looking forward to seeing Alonso race this year before it was called off.
Strange thing is that when we came back from Thailand in early March she would not see us for 14 days. It was only when she had a fall in the night and hurt herself that my partner went round. She stayed with her for 7 nights as she was frail and as you can imagine it was very difficult to get any help. Initially she was treated for water on her lungs, but it was only when we got a nurse in who immediately referred her to hospital [last weekend] that we thought she would be OK. It never occurred to us that it was the virus. Obviously we could not go and see her and but we had daily updates that she was on the up. So it was quite a shock to receive two calls yesterday; one from a doctor to confirm that she had the virus, and the second at 11.00pm last night to say that she had passed away.
We do not know if it was the virus from the outset, or whether she got it in hospital. Thinking about it now, if she did get it at home, she had milk, a paper and post delivered daily, so it could have come from them, or my partner could have taken it in [she is fine but we are now both worried]. We will never know but it has shown us how easy it is to get this damn thing.
I will miss ribbing her about another bluenose defeat......

Stay safe all.

Sincere condolence to your wife, you and all her family. It's a hard time
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 05, 2020, 09:14:38 PM
Sorry to hear that buddy. Sounds like she had a great life though and was lucky to AI e people like you around her  :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 06, 2020, 02:37:13 AM
So one of today's reported dead is my partners Aunt, who passed away at the QE late last night.

She was 87 bless her,and a real sports fan. I have know her for over 20 years and when I wanted to have a few games on the TV on a Sunday I would always suggest to my partner that her Aunt should come for Sunday lunch... always worked a treat. A lifelong Blues fan, a few years ago I suggested that she came to the Albion to a night game. She did and being a keen gardener she was absolutely blown away by the quality of the pitch... a bit different to St Andrews in the 60's and 70's I am told. She came with me several times, and always jumped out of her skin when we scored with all the noise from the fans - she loved it and only gave up accompanying me a few years ago when her legs became a problem.
She was a big motor racing fan as well and for the past few years we have watched the Indy 500 live on a Sunday evening. Last year she mentioned to my partner that she had never tried KFC but quite liked the look of it. So for the race I got a big bucket and a load of Buds.... she loved that too. Was looking forward to seeing Alonso race this year before it was called off.
Strange thing is that when we came back from Thailand in early March she would not see us for 14 days. It was only when she had a fall in the night and hurt herself that my partner went round. She stayed with her for 7 nights as she was frail and as you can imagine it was very difficult to get any help. Initially she was treated for water on her lungs, but it was only when we got a nurse in who immediately referred her to hospital [last weekend] that we thought she would be OK. It never occurred to us that it was the virus. Obviously we could not go and see her and but we had daily updates that she was on the up. So it was quite a shock to receive two calls yesterday; one from a doctor to confirm that she had the virus, and the second at 11.00pm last night to say that she had passed away.
We do not know if it was the virus from the outset, or whether she got it in hospital. Thinking about it now, if she did get it at home, she had milk, a paper and post delivered daily, so it could have come from them, or my partner could have taken it in [she is fine but we are now both worried]. We will never know but it has shown us how easy it is to get this damn thing.
I will miss ribbing her about another bluenose defeat......

Stay safe all.


Sorry to hear that mate. May she rest in peace.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 06, 2020, 04:09:30 AM
So one of today's reported dead is my partners Aunt, who passed away at the QE late last night.

She was 87 bless her,and a real sports fan. I have know her for over 20 years and when I wanted to have a few games on the TV on a Sunday I would always suggest to my partner that her Aunt should come for Sunday lunch... always worked a treat. A lifelong Blues fan, a few years ago I suggested that she came to the Albion to a night game. She did and being a keen gardener she was absolutely blown away by the quality of the pitch... a bit different to St Andrews in the 60's and 70's I am told. She came with me several times, and always jumped out of her skin when we scored with all the noise from the fans - she loved it and only gave up accompanying me a few years ago when her legs became a problem.
She was a big motor racing fan as well and for the past few years we have watched the Indy 500 live on a Sunday evening. Last year she mentioned to my partner that she had never tried KFC but quite liked the look of it. So for the race I got a big bucket and a load of Buds.... she loved that too. Was looking forward to seeing Alonso race this year before it was called off.
Strange thing is that when we came back from Thailand in early March she would not see us for 14 days. It was only when she had a fall in the night and hurt herself that my partner went round. She stayed with her for 7 nights as she was frail and as you can imagine it was very difficult to get any help. Initially she was treated for water on her lungs, but it was only when we got a nurse in who immediately referred her to hospital [last weekend] that we thought she would be OK. It never occurred to us that it was the virus. Obviously we could not go and see her and but we had daily updates that she was on the up. So it was quite a shock to receive two calls yesterday; one from a doctor to confirm that she had the virus, and the second at 11.00pm last night to say that she had passed away.
We do not know if it was the virus from the outset, or whether she got it in hospital. Thinking about it now, if she did get it at home, she had milk, a paper and post delivered daily, so it could have come from them, or my partner could have taken it in [she is fine but we are now both worried]. We will never know but it has shown us how easy it is to get this damn thing.
I will miss ribbing her about another bluenose defeat......

Stay safe all.

Your partner's aunt reads like an absolute star, please accept my sincerest condolences.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 06, 2020, 09:59:08 AM
Sorry for your loss Skyclad. Rip.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 06, 2020, 11:03:14 AM
So one of today's reported dead is my partners Aunt, who passed away at the QE late last night.

She was 87 bless her,and a real sports fan. I have know her for over 20 years and when I wanted to have a few games on the TV on a Sunday I would always suggest to my partner that her Aunt should come for Sunday lunch... always worked a treat. A lifelong Blues fan, a few years ago I suggested that she came to the Albion to a night game. She did and being a keen gardener she was absolutely blown away by the quality of the pitch... a bit different to St Andrews in the 60's and 70's I am told. She came with me several times, and always jumped out of her skin when we scored with all the noise from the fans - she loved it and only gave up accompanying me a few years ago when her legs became a problem.
She was a big motor racing fan as well and for the past few years we have watched the Indy 500 live on a Sunday evening. Last year she mentioned to my partner that she had never tried KFC but quite liked the look of it. So for the race I got a big bucket and a load of Buds.... she loved that too. Was looking forward to seeing Alonso race this year before it was called off.
Strange thing is that when we came back from Thailand in early March she would not see us for 14 days. It was only when she had a fall in the night and hurt herself that my partner went round. She stayed with her for 7 nights as she was frail and as you can imagine it was very difficult to get any help. Initially she was treated for water on her lungs, but it was only when we got a nurse in who immediately referred her to hospital [last weekend] that we thought she would be OK. It never occurred to us that it was the virus. Obviously we could not go and see her and but we had daily updates that she was on the up. So it was quite a shock to receive two calls yesterday; one from a doctor to confirm that she had the virus, and the second at 11.00pm last night to say that she had passed away.
We do not know if it was the virus from the outset, or whether she got it in hospital. Thinking about it now, if she did get it at home, she had milk, a paper and post delivered daily, so it could have come from them, or my partner could have taken it in [she is fine but we are now both worried]. We will never know but it has shown us how easy it is to get this damn thing.
I will miss ribbing her about another bluenose defeat......

Stay safe all.

Sorry to hear this Kev. RIP
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 06, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
So one of today's reported dead is my partners Aunt, who passed away at the QE late last night.

She was 87 bless her,and a real sports fan. I have know her for over 20 years and when I wanted to have a few games on the TV on a Sunday I would always suggest to my partner that her Aunt should come for Sunday lunch... always worked a treat. A lifelong Blues fan, a few years ago I suggested that she came to the Albion to a night game. She did and being a keen gardener she was absolutely blown away by the quality of the pitch... a bit different to St Andrews in the 60's and 70's I am told. She came with me several times, and always jumped out of her skin when we scored with all the noise from the fans - she loved it and only gave up accompanying me a few years ago when her legs became a problem.
She was a big motor racing fan as well and for the past few years we have watched the Indy 500 live on a Sunday evening. Last year she mentioned to my partner that she had never tried KFC but quite liked the look of it. So for the race I got a big bucket and a load of Buds.... she loved that too. Was looking forward to seeing Alonso race this year before it was called off.
Strange thing is that when we came back from Thailand in early March she would not see us for 14 days. It was only when she had a fall in the night and hurt herself that my partner went round. She stayed with her for 7 nights as she was frail and as you can imagine it was very difficult to get any help. Initially she was treated for water on her lungs, but it was only when we got a nurse in who immediately referred her to hospital [last weekend] that we thought she would be OK. It never occurred to us that it was the virus. Obviously we could not go and see her and but we had daily updates that she was on the up. So it was quite a shock to receive two calls yesterday; one from a doctor to confirm that she had the virus, and the second at 11.00pm last night to say that she had passed away.
We do not know if it was the virus from the outset, or whether she got it in hospital. Thinking about it now, if she did get it at home, she had milk, a paper and post delivered daily, so it could have come from them, or my partner could have taken it in [she is fine but we are now both worried]. We will never know but it has shown us how easy it is to get this damn thing.
I will miss ribbing her about another bluenose defeat......

Stay safe all.

Sorry to hear about your loss. Please accept my sincere condolences to you, your wife and other family.  Your post has paid a great tribute to her and her life.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tommcneill on April 06, 2020, 02:33:51 PM
Condolences to you and the family AF.

Thinking of you bud
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 06, 2020, 03:48:44 PM
434 deaths in the last 24 hours taking the UK total so far to 5,368 , roughly a 30 percent drop. Stay in your homes still people but things might start slowly turning for the better. Still a way to go yet.

EDIT-this total excludes NI.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 06, 2020, 04:21:07 PM
Fingers crossed that the social distancing measures are taking effect.
If only the 'me me me brigade' could get it into their thick skulls and stay home, we could lick this sooner rather than later.
They're that thick that they can't see that they too could fall victim to the virus
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 06, 2020, 04:33:08 PM
Yep, driving home from work this afternoon i went past the local park on the Hagley Road and while it wasn't rammed there were people there sunbathing or parents playing footy with the kids. It's not open for that. Get yaselves home!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 06, 2020, 06:18:10 PM
My one outing walking the dog today, saw a bloke I know slightly, he giggled and told me he's doing 4 long walks a day with the dog, why shouldn't he?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on April 06, 2020, 07:31:52 PM
My wife is on a 12 week lock down so i am going out once a week to get the shopoing we need. I can't believe the amount of cars on the roads and the queues still at the supermarkets but the thing that annoyed me the most today was the amount of disposable gloves thrown across the car park they were everywhere this was at Morrison's in Wednesbury. Don't they realise some poor bugger as got to pick them up, why don't they put them in the bins!? There are plenty about disgusting selfish creatures.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Topman on April 06, 2020, 08:19:36 PM
Boris now I’m intensive care ???
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on April 06, 2020, 08:30:53 PM
This is truly awful, the odds are stacked against Boris now IMO. Best PM we have had in a long time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 06, 2020, 08:45:19 PM
I’m speechless
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 06, 2020, 08:50:47 PM
Has a ventilator on stand by, the odds are really stacked against him. Multiple people calling BS on being in as a precaution, not a chance he would be moved to ICU with CV-19 as a precaution.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on April 06, 2020, 09:05:35 PM
This could be traumatic... and unifying.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cardiaccarol on April 06, 2020, 09:50:17 PM
In my experience he is in  ITU because they think he will need a ventilator. There are not enough of them /people to care for ventilated patients that they can be there on standby.

 He probably has the typical Covid pneumonia. His chances come down to the state of his other organs. If he has Heart or kidney problems then his chances aren’t good.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 06, 2020, 10:21:46 PM
I really hope he is going to be ok, come on Boris fight it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on April 06, 2020, 10:36:56 PM
hope and pray he pulls through, as I do for everyone else in intensive care.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 06, 2020, 10:54:14 PM
Come on Boris, you can get through this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 07, 2020, 06:26:12 AM
Sunbathers take note.
All the best Boris, get through it son.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 07, 2020, 01:58:59 PM
Downing Street Tuesday briefing

"Boris Johnson has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits

He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and is breathing without other assistance has not required ventilation or mechanical support

He has not been diagnosed with pneumonia"

Good news, I pray that the PM has a speedy and full recover. Your Country needs you Boris
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 07, 2020, 03:13:42 PM
854 a new UK high today :( Total deaths now at 6,227
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 07, 2020, 03:22:42 PM
Downing Street Tuesday briefing

"Boris Johnson has been stable overnight and remains in good spirits

He is receiving standard oxygen treatment and is breathing without other assistance has not required ventilation or mechanical support

He has not been diagnosed with pneumonia"




Good news, I pray that the PM has a speedy and full recover. Your Country needs you Boris

The problem with this new corona19 virus is that (I believe) after 2-3 days the Patient appears to be recovering - then the following day the illness is much worse. At that point ventilation is required.
Let’s hope and pray that Boris has the strength to get through the worst this horrible virus brings.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 07, 2020, 03:48:35 PM
Even if you don't have any respiratory conditions, this is a good breathing exercise regime to follow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwLzAdriec0&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 07, 2020, 07:00:44 PM
Is there a reason that the Midlands has become a Covid 19 hotspot?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 07, 2020, 07:19:06 PM
Is there a reason that the Midlands has become a Covid 19 hotspot?
There is...but many won’t like the answer
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: AlbionFan on April 07, 2020, 08:14:22 PM
Regardless of what might be suggested, there are no simple answers

For something as complex as a pandemic, the answers are, similarly, complex and we won’t have answers until a full and detailed analysis, carried out by professionals, has been carried out, and then there are no guarantees.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 07, 2020, 09:01:07 PM
There was a suggestion that it may be partly due to multi generational families in the Asian community, I'm not sure if that is true or not.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 07, 2020, 09:16:09 PM
I think (and it’s just imo) there area number of issues that means that we are right up there with London
Unruly anti social scumbags....
Laziness
Obesity
Poverty
To me working around the country, here and London has the highest concentration of the above...each one adding its own bit to either spreading the virus or creating an”underlying health issue”
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 07, 2020, 09:49:35 PM
Could it just be down to the size of population in the Midlands.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 07, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
May be Kev, I imagine the lockdown will last longer in the Midlands and London than elsewhere as a result.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 07, 2020, 11:40:54 PM
Black pearl if your assumption is true,why is the northwest not really a hotspot?
After all Liverpool I think has the largest Chinese community in Europe?
I may be wrong on that but I might be right.
Your "Asian " means chinese or who?
I think your treading on shaky ground here mate.
Also,I havnt really heard any country calling China out because of this pandemic,which I think we should.
What a terrible situation the world is in at the moment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 08, 2020, 12:57:18 AM
Black pearl if your assumption is true,why is the northwest not really a hotspot?
After all Liverpool I think has the largest Chinese community in Europe?
I may be wrong on that but I might be right.
Your "Asian " means chinese or who?
I think your treading on shaky ground here mate.
Also,I havnt really heard any country calling China out because of this pandemic,which I think we should.
What a terrible situation the world is in at the moment.


He means the Asian sub continent.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 08, 2020, 02:46:03 AM
Is there a reason that the Midlands has become a Covid 19 hotspot?

Gold cup probably didn't help...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 08, 2020, 08:39:56 AM
Morons/thieves/scum/lowlives.
Take your choice.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-52206749
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 08, 2020, 09:31:46 AM
Gold cup probably didn't help...

Possibly correct - however, half of Ireland must be infected if that is the case?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 08, 2020, 11:17:07 AM
Airports.  Airport = big city.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 08, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
Can someone explain to me how the chinese think they have this cracked?, yes they contained it in Hubei province but now they have dropped the Hubei quarantine, what will stop China getting re-infected (from Hubei or from the outside?) or do they expect to get it again and re-introduce the lockdown at some place / point?

I'm genuinely confused by what they are doing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 08, 2020, 01:09:28 PM
Black pearl if your assumption is true,why is the northwest not really a hotspot?
After all Liverpool I think has the largest Chinese community in Europe?
I may be wrong on that but I might be right.
Your "Asian " means chinese or who?
I think your treading on shaky ground here mate.
Also,I havnt really heard any country calling China out because of this pandemic,which I think we should.
What a terrible situation the world is in at the moment.

I don't think it's shaky ground to explore why one community has a higher infection rate than another, I would imagine governments around the world are looking at the same issues.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 08, 2020, 01:44:52 PM
Can someone explain to me how the chinese think they have this cracked?, yes they contained it in Hubei province but now they have dropped the Hubei quarantine, what will stop China getting re-infected (from Hubei or from the outside?) or do they expect to get it again and re-introduce the lockdown at some place / point?

I'm genuinely confused by what they are doing.


I atraight up think they fudged the numbers and the spread to stop the chinese econemy totally collapsing. Numbers dont add up
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 08, 2020, 02:01:00 PM

I atraight up think they fudged the numbers and the spread to stop the chinese econemy totally collapsing. Numbers dont add up

Totally agree, that is why we must not use China as a barometer for Corona19.
We also need to have rethink on our 5G network going to Huawei?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 08, 2020, 02:48:24 PM

I atraight up think they fudged the numbers and the spread to stop the chinese econemy totally collapsing. Numbers dont add up

Given that is alleged to have started there, and there was no precedent so they were learning as they went along, to keep the mortality rate to just over 3000 is either fantastic work by the chinese, or a complete fabrication of what has really happened. I tend to think the latter to be honest...….

As a country they will want to be first out of lockdown as they will not want to 'lose face' globally.

As a couple of American Beijing residents said to me a few weeks ago, 'whatever the Chinese say, add a few noughts onto it'...….
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 08, 2020, 02:56:04 PM
I had a holiday booked with Jet2. We were supposed to leave on 26/03/2020, but they cancelled on 16/03/2020. I received an email saying that I would get a FULL refund. It seems that they are trying to blame Covid19. This was before the goverments' recommendations came into force. They decided and not the government.
I have lost a holiday and am also out of pocket to the tune of nearly £2K
They have offered me £80.
Yes, I would rather be safe, but it seems to be a money grabbing exercise by them.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 08, 2020, 03:00:32 PM
I had a holiday booked with Jet2. We were supposed to leave on 26/03/2020, but they cancelled on 16/03/2020. I received an email saying that I would get a FULL refund. It seems that they are trying to blame Covid19. This was before the goverments' recommendations came into force. They decided and not the government.
I have lost a holiday and am also out of pocket to the tune of nearly £2K
They have offered me £80.
Yes, I would rather be safe, but it seems to be a money grabbing exercise by them.

Hope you paid by credit card, ALWAYS pay by credit card.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 08, 2020, 03:26:17 PM
Hope you paid by credit card, ALWAYS pay by credit card.

A golden rule if ever there was one.
I did however loose out on my London hotel and pre booked car parking when Virgin 'advised' me not to fly into Miami in September due to the hurricane
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 08, 2020, 03:35:11 PM
I did and always do pay by credit card.
I shall give jet2 the 28 days to pay, then it will be a case of using Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 08, 2020, 06:15:03 PM
If anyone is bored....

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1151242985211019&id=368557930146199&comment_id=230832381460905&notif_t=comment_mention&notif_id=1586363599565812&ref=m_notif

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-52198946

https://www.davidicke.com/article/567141/covid-19-5g-whats-connection-david-icke-dot-connector-videocast

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0JBJ5UNSYKs&t=304s

Opinions ?

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 08, 2020, 06:22:27 PM
Can someone explain to me how the chinese think they have this cracked?, yes they contained it in Hubei province but now they have dropped the Hubei quarantine, what will stop China getting re-infected (from Hubei or from the outside?) or do they expect to get it again and re-introduce the lockdown at some place / point?

I'm genuinely confused by what they are doing.
News today says they have a problem in a border area with Russia and are doing another lockdown.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 08, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
Can someone explain to me how the chinese think they have this cracked?, yes they contained it in Hubei province but now they have dropped the Hubei quarantine, what will stop China getting re-infected (from Hubei or from the outside?) or do they expect to get it again and re-introduce the lockdown at some place / point?

I'm genuinely confused by what they are doing.

South Korea never went in to lock down but did contact tracing straight away as they were prepared after SARS to do this. I think the idea is China will do the same now to contain the spread and keep every thing open. The germans are trying this to. China had to stop the initial out of control burst with a lock down. To do contract tracing properly about 40 million people in this country will need to install an app on their phone to be notified they have been near a confirmed case and self-quarantine. As people can't give up sunbathing I doubt it would work in this country.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 08, 2020, 08:17:54 PM
The current 3 week lockdown is due to end on Monday / Tuesday next week, no way is that going to happen so my question is how long do people think the next lockdown will last for?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 08, 2020, 08:30:46 PM
The current 3 week lockdown is due to end on Monday / Tuesday next week, no way is that going to happen so my question is how long do people think the next lockdown will last for?

At least another 3 weeks in my opinion, they can't let up now. We've come through the unsettling part. People should now be getting accustomed to the restrictions, hopefully the next 3 weeks will be easier
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 08, 2020, 08:54:23 PM
The current 3 week lockdown is due to end on Monday / Tuesday next week, no way is that going to happen so my question is how long do people think the next lockdown will last for?
I think they might go for week by week now
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hardtobeat on April 08, 2020, 09:42:53 PM
End of the month minimum.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 08, 2020, 09:58:32 PM
End of the month minimum.

I agree, and then only limited movent, more people able to go to work with separation, no way pubs will reopen before July IMHO
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Dexy on April 08, 2020, 09:59:38 PM
The current 3 week lockdown is due to end on Monday / Tuesday next week, no way is that going to happen so my question is how long do people think the next lockdown will last for?
I think we could start to filter certain things back in by the end of May , that said this Bank Holiday weekend and how people react will be massive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 08, 2020, 11:51:52 PM
Can't see much changing until June at least.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 09, 2020, 12:34:43 AM
Given that is alleged to have started there, and there was no precedent so they were learning as they went along, to keep the mortality rate to just over 3000 is either fantastic work by the chinese, or a complete fabrication of what has really happened. I tend to think the latter to be honest...….

As a country they will want to be first out of lockdown as they will not want to 'lose face' globally.

As a couple of American Beijing residents said to me a few weeks ago, 'whatever the Chinese say, add a few noughts onto it'...….
can't find the article, but a few days ago there was a whistle blower who stated that China's number was closer to 42,000 dead. They've burned so many bodies outside Wuhan that the gasses released are measurable from space.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2020, 01:32:40 AM
I'm sure they wrote 3 week reviews into the legislation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 09, 2020, 07:39:32 AM
I cant see schools going back until September, hopefully small businesses will reopen in May and sports behind closed doors starts to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 09, 2020, 08:24:45 AM
Some myths dispelled.
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-08/life-on-the-inside-10-coronavirus-myths-tackled-by-a-gp/

Bugga. I was hoping that numbe 7 was true.  ::)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 09, 2020, 10:26:25 AM
Number 2 offends me because it's a bit misleading thanks to the wording.  He's right that's it's not at the *most* contagious, but it's still possible to be contagious while not showing the symptoms, which he mentions at the bottom.  People could read that 'myth' and mistakenly believe that they aren't contagious at all if they don't show symptoms.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 09, 2020, 10:45:16 AM
can't find the article, but a few days ago there was a whistle blower who stated that China's number was closer to 42,000 dead. They've burned so many bodies outside Wuhan that the gasses released are measurable from space.

Loads of articles across the Sun, Business Insider, the Mail and the Metro etc. citing local estimates. Not the most reputable of sources but there's no smoke without fire. If indeed there were any such fires. Either way I'm inclined to believe the Chinese authorities are lying through their teeth re their number of infections and fatalities.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on April 09, 2020, 11:48:27 AM
Loads of articles across the Sun, Business Insider, the Mail and the Metro etc. citing local estimates. Not the most reputable of sources but there's no smoke without fire. If indeed there were any such fires. Either way I'm inclined to believe the Chinese authorities are lying through their teeth re their number of infections and fatalities.
as you say, it’s mostly rags writing backed by “people from Wuhan”. I was looking for a specific one with a named video interviewee.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 09, 2020, 11:49:41 AM
Loads of articles across the Sun, Business Insider, the Mail and the Metro etc. citing local estimates. Not the most reputable of sources but there's no smoke without fire. If indeed there were any such fires. Either way I'm inclined to believe the Chinese authorities are lying through their teeth re their number of infections and fatalities.

Very true Dan and I would add a few more countries to that. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hardtobeat on April 09, 2020, 11:59:50 AM
Very true Dan and I would add a few more countries to that.
Including ourselves ? Only deaths in hospitals being counted / reported in some daily stats, as Sturgeon said yesterday when you take into account care homes , deaths at home plus a few could have beens the death toll is much higher. I did notice that on occasion the other day news casters on the Beeb were using the phrase 'hospital deaths' but not consistently
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 09, 2020, 12:54:20 PM
as you say, it’s mostly rags writing backed by “people from Wuhan”. I was looking for a specific one with a named video interviewee.

It would be a very brave chinese citizen who did that !
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 09, 2020, 01:27:43 PM
People need to watch snippets of david Icke on London real

Government are scared of them
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 09, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
People need to watch snippets of david Icke on London real

Government are scared of them
I'm scared of David Icke, he's a complete loony
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 09, 2020, 03:07:02 PM
What are the government/BBC/YouTube scared of then?

He went at gates, musk, Zuckerberg. Talking about covid / 5g / vaccines

They are hiding something
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 09, 2020, 04:22:31 PM
People need to watch snippets of david Icke on London real

Government are scared of them

He's an absolute fruit cake.  Please tell me you're just joking around saying people need to watch it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 09, 2020, 04:36:29 PM
People need to watch snippets of david Icke on London real

Government are scared of them

This is a wind up right?
David Icke?  :D
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on April 09, 2020, 04:49:43 PM
I'm scared of David Icke, he's a complete loony

That is unfair, it is completely reasonable to believe alien lizards are running the world.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 09, 2020, 04:59:33 PM
Like I said. Why has his interview been shut down ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on April 09, 2020, 05:10:15 PM
Like I said. Why has his interview been shut down ?

I expect because scaremongering and spreading bs at the moment is considered irresponsible and potentially dangerous?

They don't have to give him a platform.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 09, 2020, 05:18:12 PM
I know it’s bad when I have joined a queue just to get onto the Wickes website :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 09, 2020, 05:21:08 PM
I expect because scaremongering and spreading bs at the moment is considered irresponsible and potentially dangerous?

They don't have to give him a platform.

& the BBC / national papers haven't been scare mongering ?

going by that he's been "scaremongering" for years. Why have no other vids of his vanished ?

Just highly strange how certain people going missing or being blocked from speaking. It's like the worlds elite are scared including world health organisation(wouldn't trust them for love or money) from something being said.

As long as people carry on beliving the press and government then the longer we will be in lock down. It's what they want, control.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 09, 2020, 05:38:11 PM
Like I said. Why has his interview been shut down ?

We live in a world where to many people take opnion as fact and actual belive what he says is the truth and these morons are looking for a reason to ignore the lockdown and justify that they can break it, because some they saw some crackpot on the TV.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 09, 2020, 05:40:44 PM
Like I said. Why has his interview been shut down ?
because he's a loony
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 09, 2020, 05:42:32 PM
I expect because scaremongering and spreading bs at the moment is considered irresponsible and potentially dangerous?

They don't have to give him a platform.
Nail on head
Whilst there are things not shared with the wider public (and quite right too) pillocks  like Icke create so much crazy hype, unfortunately people like hype and conspiracy and then start to believe ...

Although he’s possibly more factual than a Chinese govt
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 09, 2020, 06:35:58 PM
Good luck - I mean it.

Thanks. I'll  be alright. So will my family and friends

Good luck to you too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on April 09, 2020, 07:33:03 PM
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Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 09, 2020, 07:37:25 PM
Fair enough.

On a positive note. Boris out of intensive care which we knew was going to happen.

Back on tele soon saying can't do that lads!!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on April 09, 2020, 07:58:42 PM
Like many hospitals, the one in my town charges hospital staff to park their cars when they come to work and it’s not cheap, operated by a private parking company. I don’t know whether these charges are currently suspended but they should be. When this is all over, there should be no charge for hospital staff to park their cars for going to work. If that causes an issue for these horrible private car park operators, then that’s just too bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: seteefeet on April 09, 2020, 08:42:51 PM
Like many hospitals, the one in my town charges hospital staff to park their cars when they come to work and it’s not cheap, operated by a private parking company. I don’t know whether these charges are currently suspended but they should be. When this is all over, there should be no charge for hospital staff to park their cars for going to work. If that causes an issue for these horrible private car park operators, then that’s just too bad.
Well said, despicable practice anyway but now should be well and truly driven out.  Worry is that for all the sound bites and Thursday clapping, once this is over the real heroes will be forgotten again and the money pigs will simply take advantage of the fragility of society to further line their pockets.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 09, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
Well said, despicable practice anyway but now should be well and truly driven out.  Worry is that for all the sound bites and Thursday clapping, once this is over the real heroes will be forgotten again and the money pigs will simply take advantage of the fragility of society to further line their pockets.
That's what usually happens
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2020, 08:08:03 AM
Did anyone read this on the BBC news yesterday? Manchester police broke up 660 social gatherings last weekend;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

Multiply this in London, Birmingham Liverpool etc and we can see lockdown is going to go on for quite some time. What is wrong with people???
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Tank on April 10, 2020, 09:38:21 AM
Like many hospitals, the one in my town charges hospital staff to park their cars when they come to work and it’s not cheap, operated by a private parking company. I don’t know whether these charges are currently suspended but they should be. When this is all over, there should be no charge for hospital staff to park their cars for going to work. If that causes an issue for these horrible private car park operators, then that’s just too bad.


Private Parking Companies are not highly regarded here..
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/categories/parking-tickets-fines-parking
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2020, 09:42:06 AM
Did anyone read this on the BBC news yesterday? Manchester police broke up 660 social gatherings last weekend;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

Multiply this in London, Birmingham Liverpool etc and we can see lockdown is going to go on for quite some time. What is wrong with people???

They should receive large fines. Blatant ignorance to the rules. If I said what I wanted to say I’d get banned
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 10:23:19 AM
Did anyone read this on the BBC news yesterday? Manchester police broke up 660 social gatherings last weekend;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

Multiply this in London, Birmingham Liverpool etc and we can see lockdown is going to go on for quite some time. What is wrong with people???

Lock down going to go on regardless.

I am yet to see any coppers approach me or anyone else out and about. Haven't even seen them pulled up in a car anywhere.

House arrest ...no Thanks.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 10:27:11 AM
80% of us will get coronavirus': Scientific adviser to the Government claims there is no more risk at work than at home and insists we 'cannot hide from it forever' - before No 10 contradicts him

Little snippet from an article I just seen. Adviser is right. This shouldn't put life on hold. If we get it we get it. 
I did The first 2 weeks of lockdown except for work then realised what BS they are telling us
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 11:10:36 AM
Just had a drive to Asda on Wolverhampton rd in hope no que. the sheep are in a line going down titford road

Unbelievable
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2020, 11:12:18 AM
80% of us will get coronavirus': Scientific adviser to the Government claims there is no more risk at work than at home and insists we 'cannot hide from it forever' - before No 10 contradicts him

Little snippet from an article I just seen. Adviser is right. This shouldn't put life on hold. If we get it we get it. 
I did The first 2 weeks of lockdown except for work then realised what BS they are telling us

Don't know how old you chap but try putting that argument to your mom and dad or grandparents or to any family member or friend who has an underlying health issue.
I suspect you'll be on the beach somewhere this week end?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 11:33:43 AM
Don't know how old you chap but try putting that argument to your mom and dad or grandparents or to any family member or friend who has an underlying health issue.
I suspect you'll be on the beach somewhere this week end?

No mate I'll be going to work.

My dad/grandad will be fine. Mother passed away few years ago due to cancer.

I'm 28 btw.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
Lock down going to go on regardless.

I am yet to see any coppers approach me or anyone else out and about. Haven't even seen them pulled up in a car anywhere.

House arrest ...no Thanks.

Of course the lock down is going on regardless Foster, it could just be ending that little bit sooner if it were not for all of these imbeciles who think that the virus is a myth, because its not, and I should know.

When the blame game starts these muppets should be at the very top.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 10, 2020, 12:17:02 PM
Some people just dont think this virus is serious  :o 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 12:26:54 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8207393/Sales-Easter-eggs-wine-barbecues-paddling-pools-soar-ahead-four-day-break.html

Police forces across the UK have been accused of being over-zealous in their approach to Easter lockdown
Video shows a South Yorkshire officer scolding a family for letting their young children play on the front lawn
Cambridge Police boasted that officers had visited a local Tesco this morning to snoop on non-essential aisles

Banning  people from using own gardens...Going through trollies...they are trying to mock us and control which isn't working
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 10, 2020, 12:53:32 PM
80% of us will get coronavirus': Scientific adviser to the Government claims there is no more risk at work than at home and insists we 'cannot hide from it forever' - before No 10 contradicts him

Little snippet from an article I just seen. Adviser is right. This shouldn't put life on hold. If we get it we get it. 
I did The first 2 weeks of lockdown except for work then realised what BS they are telling us
Really, so these Doctors and Nurses who've died working in hospitals would've died at home? How anyone can say there's no more risk at work than at home is not fit to be advising anyone about anything.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2020, 01:08:57 PM
No mate I'll be going to work.

My dad/grandad will be fine. Mother passed away few years ago due to cancer.

I'm 28 btw.

I had guessed 16-30 to be honest.
The me me me brigade
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 01:11:48 PM
I had guessed 16-30 to be honest.
The me me me brigade

Plenty of older people with same mind frame

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2020, 01:14:56 PM
Plenty of older people with same mind frame

Is there? really?
I haven't met any.
I suppose ignorance transcends all age groups.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2020, 01:24:59 PM
Did anyone read this on the BBC news yesterday? Manchester police broke up 660 social gatherings last weekend;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

Multiply this in London, Birmingham Liverpool etc and we can see lockdown is going to go on for quite some time. What is wrong with people???

They had a police commissioner on the radio the day before yesterday and he said we can give the offenders a £60 fine, but if 7000 plus dead bodies doesn't persuade them to stay indoors £60 is unlikely to have the desired effect
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 10, 2020, 01:44:00 PM
Some people just dont think this virus is serious  :o

Tell me about it Kev, just been for my walk and had two rows with cyclists who think the rules don't apply to them, but that's normal for cyclists.🙄
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2020, 01:44:54 PM
80% of us will get coronavirus': Scientific adviser to the Government claims there is no more risk at work than at home and insists we 'cannot hide from it forever' - before No 10 contradicts him

Little snippet from an article I just seen. Adviser is right. This shouldn't put life on hold. If we get it we get it. 
I did The first 2 weeks of lockdown except for work then realised what BS they are telling us

You may be right but who in their right mind would actually go out looking for it?

If you got it Foster, do you think you will be OK? Did the advisor give you any idea on that? You may just feel unwell for a couple of days, or you could end up dead.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 10, 2020, 01:48:39 PM
Anyone who breaks the rules is being selfish and reckless, people will die as a result. Just stupid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 01:59:24 PM
You may be right but who in their right mind would actually go out looking for it?

If you got it Foster, do you think you will be OK? Did the advisor give you any idea on that? You may just feel unwell for a couple of days, or you could end up dead.

Most of us will have already had it and don't even know weve had it.

We CANNOT be on "lockdown" for the long term. It will be normal for a lot of people, we can't afford that to happen.

No exit plan from lock down, what happens if we are still the same in 3 weeks..if that turns Into another 3 months..you Know the rest.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 10, 2020, 02:05:30 PM
Hey Foster,have you had it?
You don't know do you?
Have you given it to someone else who might have a low immune system old or young?
You don't know do you,and respectfully I don't think you care either.
Stay on lockdown and don't be a potential killer of a doctor or nurse or who else in your own family.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 10, 2020, 02:06:44 PM
There's no plan to exit the lockdown because we are nowhere near exiting the lockdown 😷
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2020, 02:07:30 PM
Most of us will have already had it and don't even know weve had it.

We CANNOT be on "lockdown" for the long term. It will be normal for a lot of people, we can't afford that to happen.

No exit plan from lock down, what happens if we are still the same in 3 weeks..if that turns Into another 3 months..you Know the rest.

and therein lies the problem, because you are unknowingly transmitting it to others, many of them with a weaker immune system than yourself.

I am quite happy with a 3 month lock down and martial law if that's what it takes to get our world back.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 02:37:53 PM
There's no plan to exit the lockdown because we are nowhere near exiting the lockdown 😷

Exactly. No plan now, there will never be no real plan
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adamw1109 on April 10, 2020, 02:47:16 PM
Plenty of older people with same mind frame

It's not an age thing, its just that there are plenty of selfish, small minded people who will not learn until it effects them.... with the same mind frame.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 03:34:20 PM
953 more today which takes us too 8,931 :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2020, 03:43:09 PM
953 more today which takes us too 8,931 :(

Like others have said until it directly affect you personally it's not real is it?
I hope the sunbathers, footballers, barbequers and group cyclist wake up, and soon
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 03:44:21 PM
I work out in this everyday and the amount of people that are around is nuts. Even in the rural areas although i guess that is more city folk going for a 'nice day out'.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2020, 03:46:04 PM
Tell me about it Kev, just been for my walk and had two rows with cyclists who think the rules don't apply to them, but that's normal for cyclists.🙄

I think they should be dragging cyclist in to use in vaccine testing.
Inject them, put a tracker on them, let them loose among like minded morons then drag them back in after 10 days to see if the vaccine has worked
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2020, 03:48:19 PM
Most of us will have already had it and don't even know weve had it.

We CANNOT be on "lockdown" for the long term. It will be normal for a lot of people, we can't afford that to happen.

No exit plan from lock down, what happens if we are still the same in 3 weeks..if that turns Into another 3 months..you Know the rest.


Estimates today suggest that fewer than 10% of the UK have 'already had it'. Not most as you suggest.


The original plan for vulnerable people was 12 weeks, we're halfway through the 4th week of that, I will be amazed if it isn't scaled back in mid June, as long as the vast majority adhere to the measures now.


You're kidding yourself reading some of your posts (The Archons may have got to you) and your attitude to the crisis stinks to be honest.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on April 10, 2020, 04:35:34 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/the-cluster-effect-how-social-gatherings-were-rocket-fuel-for-coronavirus

Interesting article basically saying most infections spread from large parties, celebrations or gatherings, as opposed to visting the supermarket etc.  Attending football matches would clearly come under the heading of large gatherings, which doesn't point to an early return of live matches. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 04:36:59 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/the-cluster-effect-how-social-gatherings-were-rocket-fuel-for-coronavirus

Interesting article basically saying most infections spread from large parties, celebrations or gatherings, as opposed to visting the supermarket etc.  Attending football matches would clearly come under the heading of large gatherings, which doesn't point to an early return of live matches.


Footballs going to be finished behind closed doors most officials are saying.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 10, 2020, 04:47:03 PM
Just had a drive to Asda on Wolverhampton rd in hope no que. the sheep are in a line going down titford road

Unbelievable
You are vocal on this particular subject
In this post you seem to be mortified that people have gone shopping....where you wanted to go shopping?
Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 10, 2020, 04:53:03 PM
I think they should be dragging cyclist in to use in vaccine testing.
Inject them, put a tracker on them, let them loose among like minded morons then drag them back in after 10 days to see if the vaccine has worked
I go out daily on my bike, I keep safe distances, wear a helmet, stay off the pavement etc...
Should I really be a guinea pig?
What about people vaping and smoking ,happily blowing the virus metres and across people waiting in queues to get shopping ?

For the r3cord I shouted expletives at two cyclists this morning who have no understanding of single file....but walkers can be just as bad.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 04:55:38 PM
Anyone enjoying the weather today ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 10, 2020, 05:14:14 PM
Anyone enjoying the weather today ?

Yes, from my garden.

High numbers today. Still seeing groups of more than 2 walk by on the trail near mine. Also saw a funeral with 50+ yesterday - is that allowed?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 05:23:41 PM
Not everyone is willing to go without saying goodbye to a family member in the way it should be
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 05:27:51 PM
Sweden putting us to shame regarding deaths.

They're still on the **** too
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cardiaccarol on April 10, 2020, 05:46:32 PM
953 more today which takes us too 8,931 :(

Actually the figures released daily are ONLY those who died in hospital. It doesn’t include those who die at home or in residential / nursing homes.

This does not reflect the real death toll
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 05:47:04 PM
What is the real death toll?  :o
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 10, 2020, 05:47:37 PM
Sweden putting us to shame regarding deaths.

They're still on the **** too

All the different approaches need to be looked at when all this is on the decline for accurate comparisons. It will be very interesting to compare the different approaches, particularly Sweden's!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 10, 2020, 06:18:38 PM
Sweden putting us to shame regarding deaths.

They're still on the **** too

You might want to google that , vast majority of Swedes are very worried about the country's approach and they are considering tougher measures.

I for one would not want to be in Sweden right now.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2020, 06:31:44 PM
I go out daily on my bike, I keep safe distances, wear a helmet, stay off the pavement etc...
Should I really be a guinea pig?
What about people vaping and smoking ,happily blowing the virus metres and across people waiting in queues to get shopping ?

For the r3cord I shouted expletives at two cyclists this morning who have no understanding of single file....but walkers can be just as bad.

I'm sure you are a very responsible cyclist.
My quip was tongue in cheek, but never mind  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cardiaccarol on April 10, 2020, 07:27:06 PM
What is the real death toll?  :o

I don’t think we will ever get a definitive answer. Elderly People who die at home probably won’t ever get tested / have autopsy. If someone has seen them and noted symptoms they might be written up as presumed Covid.

Perhaps when it’s all over we might find out the final death toll
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 10, 2020, 09:14:01 PM
From what was said today, this is going on for the rest of the year, the lockdown will be eased, but untill there is a vaccine, all we will be doing is keeping a partial lid on it. I thought the plan was to eliminate it, that is clearly not the case.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Bilston Dan on April 10, 2020, 09:21:42 PM
From what was said today, this is going on for the rest of the year, the lockdown will be eased, but untill there is a vaccine, all we will be doing is keeping a partial lid on it. I thought the plan was to eliminate it, that is clearly not the case.

Until we get a vaccine though, whats the other choice?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 10, 2020, 09:30:34 PM
From what was said today, this is going on for the rest of the year, the lockdown will be eased, but untill there is a vaccine, all we will be doing is keeping a partial lid on it. I thought the plan was to eliminate it, that is clearly not the case.

I was talking to a pub landlord today ( by phone ) and he said it will be around the end of June start of July and the  lockdown will be lifted in small parts but if you think the pubs will be open then think again it could be around September before they open.

How will business survive a longer lockdown is the question? Millions unemployed, millions on benefits, the country cant survive without people paying Tax.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2020, 09:38:07 PM
The country cannot afford the lockdown to go on that long. It will be eased by June i'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 10, 2020, 09:54:30 PM
I was talking to a pub landlord today ( by phone ) and he said it will be around the end of June start of July and the  lockdown will be lifted in small parts but if you think the pubs will be open then think again it could be around September before they open.

How will business survive a longer lockdown is the question? Millions unemployed, millions on benefits, the country cant survive without people paying Tax.

Tax is going to be increased, it has to be, I just hope it is a straight percentage of turnover and income so if I pay 1%, so does Richard Branson.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 10, 2020, 10:07:08 PM
I'm starting to distrust the medical and scientific experts, we locked down too late, that is now clear.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 10, 2020, 10:23:14 PM
I don’t think we will ever get a definitive answer. Elderly People who die at home probably won’t ever get tested / have autopsy. If someone has seen them and noted symptoms they might be written up as presumed Covid.

Perhaps when it’s all over we might find out the final death toll
When we can compare the death rates with this period against before and after figures we will have a better idea of what the actual increase has been, in other words who died of coronavirus and who died with it
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 10:24:45 PM
Don't trust ANYTHING they have or will say.

A year in lockdown  ;D not a chance. Will be riots before that's happens
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 10, 2020, 10:31:43 PM
Also ..lock down till a vaccine is found ?

No guarentee that ever will be one?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cardiaccarol on April 10, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
When we can compare the death rates with this period against before and after figures we will have a better idea of what the actual increase has been, in other words who died of coronavirus and who died with it
We will never know how many people have the virus because WE DONT DO ENOUGH TESTING.

The government response has been laughable. If I hear Matt Hancock tell me once more that I have enough protective equipment (or it’s coming tomorrow) then I think I will scream.

The lockdown was too late
WHO said test, test and test again
We weren’t prepared with sufficient equipment /beds /staff

They keep setting themselves targets and quietly drop them when they don’t achieve
The army has dug them out of a hole -but should have been involved earlier

Sorry rant over but yes I am on the front line
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on April 10, 2020, 11:32:26 PM
It is so easy to criticise, I do not doubt that the government, made up of individual human beings, are doing their best, why wouldn’t they? Humans are not perfect, we all make errors of judgment at times. This is not a time to point fingers, especially as the politicians are being guided by scientific and medical advice regarding how to deal with a new virus, one that is so much more virulent than any we have known for a century. Any other political party that was in government would almost certainly have used the same scientists. Yes, there are problems, some serious but we are not in a military war, our cities are not being bombed, our troops are not being slaughtered by machine guns. We have been brought down to reality by the natural World. Humans contributed to the onset of this crisis and humans are trying to solve it. I’m just glad that I am not one of those trying to work a way through this because at the end of it all, there will be many, with the benefit of hindsight, that will shout ‘Failure’.

Oh, and for the record, I didn’t vote for this government but I support them all the way at this time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 11, 2020, 12:00:22 AM
It is so easy to criticise, I do not doubt that the government, made up of individual human beings, are doing their best, why wouldn’t they? Humans are not perfect, we all make errors of judgment at times. This is not a time to point fingers, especially as the politicians are being guided by scientific and medical advice regarding how to deal with a new virus, one that is so much more virulent than any we have known for a century. Any other political party that was in government would almost certainly have used the same scientists. Yes, there are problems, some serious but we are not in a military war, our cities are not being bombed, our troops are not being slaughtered by machine guns. We have been brought down to reality by the natural World. Humans contributed to the onset of this crisis and humans are trying to solve it. I’m just glad that I am not one of those trying to work a way through this because at the end of it all, there will be many, with the benefit of hindsight, that will shout ‘Failure’.

Oh, and for the record, I didn’t vote for this government but I support them all the way at this time.
One of the best posts I have read for some time.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2020, 12:10:55 AM
When we can compare the death rates with this period against before and after figures we will have a better idea of what the actual increase has been, in other words who died of coronavirus and who died with it


Said a week ago or more (to some derision), if the 2020 total death toll for the UK is higher than 600k (2019 figure) then we will know how much of an impact this virus has actually had, and whether doing even more than we have (I think it has been an excellent response by the authorities who are being let down by the delivery network for PPE and a selfish minority of the public who refuse to self distance) would have made any difference.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 11, 2020, 06:37:05 AM
It is so easy to criticise, I do not doubt that the government, made up of individual human beings, are doing their best, why wouldn’t they? Humans are not perfect, we all make errors of judgment at times. This is not a time to point fingers, especially as the politicians are being guided by scientific and medical advice regarding how to deal with a new virus, one that is so much more virulent than any we have known for a century. Any other political party that was in government would almost certainly have used the same scientists. Yes, there are problems, some serious but we are not in a military war, our cities are not being bombed, our troops are not being slaughtered by machine guns. We have been brought down to reality by the natural World. Humans contributed to the onset of this crisis and humans are trying to solve it. I’m just glad that I am not one of those trying to work a way through this because at the end of it all, there will be many, with the benefit of hindsight, that will shout ‘Failure’.

Oh, and for the record, I didn’t vote for this government but I support them all the way at this time.

Yes, I agree with you, absolutely right, the government have followed the scientific advice and rightly so, there is no alternative ( see Trump), but I do think the lockdown was a week or so too late.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Barrington on April 11, 2020, 07:04:18 AM
The lockdown and restrictions has not been severe enough either. Give the British public an inch and they'll take a mile (or 40).
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on April 11, 2020, 09:09:46 AM
Lock-down was 2 weeks too late. We had the ridiculous (given the evidence from other countries), 'it's fine to shake hands' then elbow bumps. Then the inadequate halfway house of keeping pubs and restaurants open but requesting people not to go there.

We don't know the balance of the discussions going on between the government and health officials behind closed doors (the public statements from both will have been pre-discussed and 'agreed' before briefings). Was it that the health officials were giving the advice for the above or was it the government being reluctant to accept what they were actually being told ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 09:28:08 AM
Tax is going to be increased, it has to be, I just hope it is a straight percentage of turnover and income so if I pay 1%, so does Richard Branson.


Be a real kick in the teeth to those who had to work through this risking their health everyday and then have to fork out extra tax for the privilege of doing so.. It will happen though.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on April 11, 2020, 09:37:25 AM

Said a week ago or more (to some derision), if the 2020 total death toll for the UK is higher than 600k (2019 figure) then we will know how much of an impact this virus has actually had, and whether doing even more than we have (I think it has been an excellent response by the authorities who are being let down by the delivery network for PPE and a selfish minority of the public who refuse to self distance) would have made any difference.
Aren't there too many variables involved in the eventual annual death toll to be able to draw any conclusions into how effective the response has been ? Also, how consistent is the annual death toll anyway ?  Whatever it eventually says, nearly 1,000 people a day are dying of a previously unknown illness. Healthcare professionals are dying through carrying out their jobs.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: exmember on April 11, 2020, 09:43:10 AM

Be a real kick in the teeth to those who had to work through this risking their health everyday and then have to fork out extra tax for the privilege of doing so.. It will happen though.

Would be great to see NHS staff and essential workers get some sort of tax exemption from next years tax increases but realistically can't see that ever happening.

In terms of tax increases, guess off the top of my head at the minute is

-Income tax increasing from 20% to 21% and higher rate 40% to 41%
-Corporation tax increasing back up to 20% from current rate of 19%

Can't really see them bumping up VAT. 

Whether that increase is big enough remains to be seen at the minute. Will only get a real idea of the economic hole we are in once the quartly economic growth figures come out.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 11, 2020, 09:46:36 AM

Be a real kick in the teeth to those who had to work through this risking their health everyday and then have to fork out extra tax for the privilege of doing so.. It will happen though.

Of course it will and it should, there is a big bill to be paid, but it needs to be identified separately and paid fairly by everyone proportionately to income.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 09:47:22 AM
They won't increase tax and righty so.
 
It's the governments proplem. They can't blame us or take even more money away.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 09:52:38 AM
Of course it will and it should, there is a big bill to be paid, but it needs to be identified separately and paid fairly by everyone proportionately to income.

I agree it should happen but for those who weren't furloughed it's going to hurt even more after putting themselves in the line daily.

They won't increase tax and righty so.
 
It's the governments proplem. They can't blame us or take even more money away.

I don't think they will blame us but as far higher taxes I'm certain they will. There's a massive amount of money being forked out. They will need it back.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 11, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
They won't increase tax and righty so.
 
It's the governments proplem. They can't blame us or take even more money away.

Let me ask you - what would you have done or what would you do now  - supposing you had the authority? (Coronavirus19 that is)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2020, 09:56:05 AM
Of course it will and it should, there is a big bill to be paid, but it needs to be identified separately and paid fairly by everyone proportionately to income.

I'm all for fair, but I've paid into the system all my life, a lot of what I've paid in has been at a higher rate.
I'm self employed, we all read that the self employed would be helped out and get 80% of their profit paid.
Let me tell you as a self employed person I get nothing. Zilch. Nada.
Because my profit is above thee threshold I get nothing.
So where is that fair, I pay the most and get the least?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2020, 09:57:47 AM
They won't increase tax and righty so.
 
It's the governments proplem. They can't blame us or take even more money away.

Dream on.
We'll be paying this money back for at least a generation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
With all today's technology there must be a way of identifying who received furlough payments and who didn't. Do this and claim it back at a slow rate until repaid.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
I still work my 48rs on full pay.

No benefits , none of this 80%.

Why should I pay more tax bailing out our corrupt government ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 11, 2020, 10:18:08 AM
I still work my 48rs on full pay.

No benefits , none of this 80%.

Why should I pay more tax bailing out our corrupt government ?

What do you do? - I would really like to know your answer to the question I asked above.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on April 11, 2020, 10:26:43 AM
I still work my 48rs on full pay.

No benefits , none of this 80%.

Why should I pay more tax bailing out our corrupt government ?
Why is our Government corrupt? And where is your proof to back up that statement? I have read your posts and i have come to the conclusion you really haven't got a clue what's going on concerning the cornavirus i bet you are one of these who thinks it can't touch them and continue your normal life i just hope you don't get it and pass it on to some innocent person who is doing as they have been asked.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 11, 2020, 10:36:57 AM
Hey tuamigos,I hear what your saying but as self employed i assume you also pay a lower NI?
So why are you hard done by?
You could argue you don't pay enough into the system yourself?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Westie on April 11, 2020, 10:37:47 AM
I still work my 48rs on full pay.

No benefits , none of this 80%.

Why should I pay more tax bailing out our corrupt government ?

Having read that, one word comes to mind, selfish. At least you will be safe in the knowledge that you almost certainly have enough bog rolls to last for the rest of your life!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 11, 2020, 10:57:34 AM
Hey Foster,
We all pay into the system like it or not.
Most things I'm happy with some not but you can't pick and choose.
Corrupt government?
Ask Corbyn about his friends in other governments about corruption.
You sound a selfish person to me mate.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 11, 2020, 11:00:10 AM
They won't increase tax and righty so.
 
It's the governments proplem. They can't blame us or take even more money away.
You never answered my last question....but here goes a new one

Where exactly does the money come from then?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 11, 2020, 11:01:57 AM
Let me ask you - what would you have done or what would you do now  - supposing you had the authority? (Coronavirus19 that is)

Sorry to appear to be haranguing you, however your silence is deafening!
Here is a few more questions : why did you say that, we? all knew Boris would get better? Are we to believe that the Coronavirus is a complete hoax?
I think the Swedish PM may have thought that - he is now in the process of changing his mind.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 11, 2020, 11:04:14 AM
Sorry to appear to be haranguing you, however your silence is deafening!
Here is a few more questions : why did you say that, we? all knew Boris would get better? Are we to believe that the Coronavirus is a complete hoax?
I think the Swedish PM may have thought that - he is now in the process of changing his mind.
You won’t get a reasoned response

He moaned because when he himself went shopping....other people had had the audacity to do likewise thus meaning he had to queue , when I asked about his hypocrisy....his next post was “is anybody enjoying the weather” 😂😂
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 11, 2020, 11:11:37 AM
Hey tuamigos,I hear what your saying but as self employed i assume you also pay a lower NI?
So why are you hard done by?
You could argue you don't pay enough into the system yourself?
This NI lark baffles me.
I'm self employed and don't pay any NI, 2 years ago the DWP informed me i had reached the 35 qualifying years so only needed to pay voluntary contribution if I wanted to but it wouldn't increase my state pension. Problem with that is because I've paid no NI for the past two years i can't claim any benefits whatsoever.
Feel like I've been penalised because I've paid into the system all my life.
Spoke to the Tax office and DWP after they'd sent my pension forecast and was told it's pointless paying any voluntary contributions, I don't understand that stance because I thought your NI contributions went to other things such as the NHS.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 11, 2020, 11:17:17 AM
I got told off by a few on here for blaming the government for the slow handling of supplying PPE for front line staff, Well I would ask you to read this from RCN chief executive Donna Kinnair.

"In recent days we are improving the deliveries, but the safety of nurses and doctors and other health care workers must not be compromised,” she said. “Basic equipment to deliver care must be provided.

“We are all petrified about going out on the front line but we do it because that’s what we are trained for.

“But it’s beholden on those in offices of power to make sure they are looking after our physical welfare and psychological welfare. If a nurse does not feel safe she or he is not going to be able to provide good care.”

In my opinion the government was slow to act and must take responsibility for this short fall.




Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 11:30:31 AM
You never answered my last question....but here goes a new one

Where exactly does the money come from then?

Government money that is already useable. They don't need any extra money of  us.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2020, 11:30:54 AM
Hey tuamigos,I hear what your saying but as self employed i assume you also pay a lower NI?
So why are you hard done by?
You could argue you don't pay enough into the system yourself?

I've paid in all I am required to pay in regarding NI contributions. If I pay more I don't get any extra benefits. In fact I get none.
I assume that you think 40% tax is not enough to give me a little leeway?
Glad your not Chancellor
I've worked all my life, always filed true and accurate accounts (if I could see mt time again I wouldn't do that) and never claimed a penny from the government all my working life.
My fault I guess but there you go.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 11:32:00 AM
What do you do? - I would really like to know your answer to the question I asked above.

Operational support manager for a security company(control room dealing with clients and guards who work for the company etc)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2020, 11:34:18 AM
Operational support manager for a security company(control room dealing with clients and guards who work for the company etc)

Gatekeeper.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 11, 2020, 11:44:07 AM
Hey Foster,same here mate, paid 40% for most of my working life and left money in the business when I could have taken it myself,your not special, but corrupt government, please
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 11:48:59 AM
People say corruption is in mighty football but not happy  to accept corruption at government level..

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 11, 2020, 11:56:03 AM
You mentioned  "the government" where's your proof? Venezuela?
Ridiculous assumption I imagine you regret saying it now,you sound a little frazzled mate,have a listen to some classic Indian music that'll calm you down
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 11, 2020, 12:02:10 PM
Hey Mods - Are my posts getting deleted?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 12:12:41 PM
Coronavirus: 'Matter of time' before Italy faces a social emergency as tension starts to rise

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-the-dark-fog-is-lifting-in-italy-but-the-end-of-the-lockdown-is-clouded-by-doubt-11971340

Good luck to them. We will not be far behind you.

They are sick of being told what to do.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 12:21:30 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210029/Police-threaten-man-pepper-spray-arrest-running-errands-mother.html

What a sick video :o

Big bully
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 11, 2020, 12:45:02 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210029/Police-threaten-man-pepper-spray-arrest-running-errands-mother.html

What a sick video :o

Big bully

He is probably someone with your attitude so deserves everything he gets, selfish people need that sort of treatment.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 11, 2020, 12:49:57 PM
I've paid in all I am required to pay in regarding NI contributions. If I pay more I don't get any extra benefits. In fact I get none.
I assume that you think 40% tax is not enough to give me a little leeway?
Glad your not Chancellor
I've worked all my life, always filed true and accurate accounts (if I could see mt time again I wouldn't do that) and never claimed a penny from the government all my working life.
My fault I guess but there you go.

Good on you for that, but as higher rate tax payer you will also be better off than most, so it's reasonable you give a little more.
Your position is not dissimilar to myself, I don't mind paying a little more tax now for the benefit of all, it's the right thing to do, provided the wealthy are not allowed to tax dodge.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 11, 2020, 12:53:08 PM
I got told off by a few on here for blaming the government for the slow handling of supplying PPE for front line staff, Well I would ask you to read this from RCN chief executive Donna Kinnair.

"In recent days we are improving the deliveries, but the safety of nurses and doctors and other health care workers must not be compromised,” she said. “Basic equipment to deliver care must be provided.

“We are all petrified about going out on the front line but we do it because that’s what we are trained for.

“But it’s beholden on those in offices of power to make sure they are looking after our physical welfare and psychological welfare. If a nurse does not feel safe she or he is not going to be able to provide good care.”

In my opinion the government was slow to act and must take responsibility for this short fall.

There is a world wide shortage of PPE Kev, I think blaming them is too simplistic.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: caravanc58 on April 11, 2020, 12:57:49 PM
Gruesome sight seeing the mass burials in New York's Hart Island.





Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 11, 2020, 01:16:55 PM
Gruesome sight seeing the mass burials in New York's Hart Island.

Gruesome sight in more ways then one for President Trump?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 11, 2020, 02:00:25 PM

Be a real kick in the teeth to those who had to work through this risking their health everyday and then have to fork out extra tax for the privilege of doing so.. It will happen though.
If they are employed by the state (NHS etc), and an extra tax of 1% is added, why not give them a rise of 1% to even it out?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 11, 2020, 02:11:53 PM
In this terrifying time we expect our front line NHS staff in fact all employees of NHS to pay no tax at all for 12 months as a reward for their unstinting service to this country.
They are the equivalent to our forces on the front line of a war against a killing virus,its the least we can do.
Those who worry about this country's finances I say don't worry about it the country isn't going any where our people come first
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on April 11, 2020, 02:13:51 PM
I'm not a fan of Boris, nor alot of the ministers he's chosen, but we're in a national emergency now so debating about whether they are doing a good job or not, will be for another day.
All I ask of them is to listen to the best scientific and medical experts, and to follow their advice. The trouble is they got so much into the habit of putting a spin on, or hyping up expectations on everything, that they lacked credibility with alot of people. Now the vast majority can see how serious the situation is.
The economy and people's livelihoods are very important, but not as important as saving lives. So I hope the Government just keep listening to the scientists and NHS staff and keep them at the top of their priority list, and don't get distracted by any other interests.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Cardiaccarol on April 11, 2020, 02:30:18 PM
I'm not a fan of Boris, nor alot of the ministers he's chosen, but we're in a national emergency now so debating about whether they are doing a good job or not, will be for another day.
All I ask of them is to listen to the best scientific and medical experts, and to follow their advice. The trouble is they got so much into the habit of putting a spin on, or hyping up expectations on everything, that they lacked credibility with alot of people. Now the vast majority can see how serious the situation is.
The economy and people's livelihoods are very important, but not as important as saving lives. So I hope the Government just keep listening to the scientists and NHS staff and keep them at the top of their priority list, and don't get distracted by any other interests.

Actually although they claim to listen to the scientists, they do not implement actions until forced by events. They talk a very good game but aren’t much use at following through with actions.

While I agree we just have to get on with it now I think we will lose many more lives than we needed to.

When the inevitable enquiry comes at the end, let me predict now that it’s terms of reference will be limited. A full review will not happen
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 02:35:17 PM
If they are employed by the state (NHS etc), and an extra tax of 1% is added, why not give them a rise of 1% to even it out?

No problem with that as there is no change.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2020, 02:55:23 PM
Public sector workers have been getting a 1% pay rise annually for a decade. With inflation it's technically a yearly pay cut.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2020, 03:16:03 PM
I still work my 48rs on full pay.

No benefits , none of this 80%.

Why should I pay more tax bailing out our corrupt government ?

With respect, I have bitten my tongue for a part..

I think you have seriously misjudged the sombreness and sincerity within this thread towards fellow members & towards the concerns had for a devastating virus, some of whom will have to live with the long term wreckage of what the virus has caused to families. I am struggling to ascertain whether you’re being serious or merely trying to provoke others. I hope, it’s not the latter.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2020, 03:22:28 PM
Public sector workers have been getting a 1% pay rise annually for a decade. With inflation it's technically a yearly pay cut.

Is this Our opportunity to bargain for a wage increase? No doubt, given the Pressures of the last ten years we’re due one  :D

On the issues of tax, I think we may have to see increased taxes to help align the economy through the hit of the virus and increased expenditures. I’m not sure Boris will be in favour of increasing taxation - that goes against his core principles.

I personally do not have a concern with paying an increased tax - the government took steps to secure the homes, jobs and livelihoods of those across all sections of society. I am glad they took the stance of doing so and if that means my take home pay reduces somewhat then so be it. It will be a few less pints a week for me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 11, 2020, 03:28:13 PM
I'm not a fan of Boris, nor alot of the ministers he's chosen, but we're in a national emergency now so debating about whether they are doing a good job or not, will be for another day.
All I ask of them is to listen to the best scientific and medical experts, and to follow their advice. The trouble is they got so much into the habit of putting a spin on, or hyping up expectations on everything, that they lacked credibility with alot of people. Now the vast majority can see how serious the situation is.
The economy and people's livelihoods are very important, but not as important as saving lives. So I hope the Government just keep listening to the scientists and NHS staff and keep them at the top of their priority list, and don't get distracted by any other interests.
Not a Boris fan either, but as you say it doesn't really matter if the govt is left or right within reason here, this is a technical matter of managing a terrible situation, the time for politicking is later.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 11, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Is this Our opportunity to bargain for a wage increase? No doubt, given the Pressures of the last ten years we’re due one  :D

On the issues of tax, I think we may have to see increased taxes to help align the economy through the hit of the virus and increased expenditures. I’m not sure Boris will be in favour of increasing taxation - that goes against his core principles.

I personally do not have a concern with paying an increased tax - the government took steps to secure the homes, jobs and livelihoods of those across all sections of society. I am glad they took the stance of doing so and if that means my take home pay reduces somewhat then so be it. It will be a few less pints a week for me.
There will have to be a massive fiscal boost over the next couple of years, and we will all have to pay more tax, as long as they get the tax haven crew and deal with them I will be happy to pay my share.  The next question will be whether they bail out the casino economy or put the money into solid social projects like the NHS, better housing, apprenticeships etc.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 11, 2020, 04:15:14 PM
With respect, I have bitten my tongue for a part..

I think you have seriously misjudged the sombreness and sincerity within this thread towards fellow members & towards the concerns had for a devastating virus, some of whom will have to live with the long term wreckage of what the virus has caused to families. I am struggling to ascertain whether you’re being serious or merely trying to provoke others. I hope, it’s not the latter.

I struggle to understand where this poster is coming from Liam, yesterday he was happy to have the virus and give it to everyone else as ‘80% of us will get it’  and then he points out that Sweden are showing us how it is done and they are still on the p**s.

Not sure the gravity of the situation has quite sunk in yet.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2020, 04:21:18 PM
I struggle to understand where this poster is coming from Liam, yesterday he was happy to have the virus and give it to everyone else as ‘80% of us will get it’  and then he points out that Sweden are showing us how it is done and they are still on the p**s.

Not sure the gravity of the situation has quite sunk in yet.


If 10 thousand dead bodies doesn't smarten people up nothing will.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 04:52:32 PM
Just my opinion along with others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210271/BBC-bosses-warning-interviewers-not-ministers-pressure-coronavirus-crisis.html#comments-8210271

BBC forcing journalists not to pressure government. Surprise surprise.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 11, 2020, 06:00:13 PM
Just my opinion along with others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8210271/BBC-bosses-warning-interviewers-not-ministers-pressure-coronavirus-crisis.html#comments-8210271

BBC forcing journalists not to pressure government. Surprise surprise.

You are entitled to an opinion, but not too ignore government lockdown instructions putting others at risk.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 11, 2020, 06:54:21 PM
Let me ask you - what would you have done or what would you do now  - supposing you had the authority? (Coronavirus19 that is)

I am still waiting for an answer -  Why do I get the impression you are gloating .
 The Swedish PM thought he had the answer - his Premiership is now beginning to look in tatters.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 07:38:51 PM
Sweden have recorded 17 deaths today? i know they are about 12 days behind us but am i mssing something here?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 07:45:06 PM
Looking at the figures per country based on population size they are still doing better than us although i agree in thinkng that it is a risky game they are playing.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 11, 2020, 07:58:38 PM
Sweden have recorded 17 deaths today? i know they are about 12 days behind us but am i mssing something here?

I believe the trends for those tested, infected and entering hospital are on a steep climb. The EU and neighbouring Nordic countries are begging the PM to change tack.
The PM has publicly advised there will be a steep climb in the death rate in the future and advising the public to keep a 2m distance in public places.
Bear in mind the Swedish population is 10million. I believe there is 425 deaths to this point.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 08:04:38 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFrM-uxTPQ

Riots in Belgium today
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: albion59 on April 11, 2020, 08:14:06 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFrM-uxTPQ

Riots in Belgium today
What as that got to do with anything? Bunch of mindless idiots achieving nothing, just putting innocent people at risk.should be rounded up and locked up for ever or rounded up and made to dissapear for ever.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 11, 2020, 08:14:20 PM
I believe the trends for those tested, infected and entering hospital are on a steep climb. The EU and neighbouring Nordic countries are begging the PM to change tack.
The PM has publicly advised there will be a steep climb in the death rate in the future and advising the public to keep a 2m distance in public places.
Bear in mind the Swedish population is 10million. I believe there is 425 deaths to this point.



Here is the graph of deaths per million per European countries

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVUSrBTX0AUDnmg?format=jpg&name=medium


Here is Swedens own graph (they are a week behind us not 12 days as i first thought).  Denmark reopening schools on Wednesday too.






Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 11, 2020, 09:49:29 PM
What as that got to do with anything? Bunch of mindless idiots achieving nothing, just putting innocent people at risk.should be rounded up and locked up for ever or rounded up and made to dissapear for ever.

Just showing what a big chunk of the world could be like in a few weeks
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2020, 02:44:13 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qAFrM-uxTPQ

Riots in Belgium today

As riots go that looked pretty lame to be fair, must try harder.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 12, 2020, 08:18:42 AM
As riots go that looked pretty lame to be fair, must try harder.

Just the start.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 12, 2020, 08:24:19 AM
I noticed that another 5g pole gone up in flames over the weekend in chemsley Wood.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/another-mobile-phone-mast-torched-18073251.amp

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: leeiswba on April 12, 2020, 08:27:41 AM
I noticed that another 5g pole gone up in flames over the weekend in chemsley Wood.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/another-mobile-phone-mast-torched-18073251.amp

Think that sums up the people of Chemsley Wood quite nicely  :-\
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 12, 2020, 08:30:06 AM
Some lovely people in CW!

The money bags that are the Americans stealing face masks from the French too over the weekend. 

https://amp.rfi.fr/en/europe/20200402-china-coronavirus-face-mask-france-stolen-us
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 12, 2020, 08:50:37 AM
Kenny dalglish out of hospital.

That was a quick recovery.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2020, 08:52:28 AM
Kenny dalglish out of hospital.

That was a quick recovery.


He was asymptomatic, in hospital for a totally separate illness.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 12, 2020, 09:23:10 AM

He was asymptomatic, in hospital for a totally separate illness.

So if he did pass away in hospital it would of been classed as covid 19 with underlying health issues ?

Just thought they would of kept a older man in a bit longer regardless
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 12, 2020, 10:32:11 AM
I noticed that another 5g pole gone up in flames over the weekend in chemsley Wood.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/another-mobile-phone-mast-torched-18073251.amp

Let’s call them out

They are absolute *******
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 12, 2020, 10:46:35 AM
Let’s call them out

They are absolute *******

Ignorant people are more dangerous than educated people.
I let you form your own opinion on the populous of CW
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 12, 2020, 10:51:02 AM
So Boris says the NHS doctors and nurses  saved his life,  brilliant news, now Boris repay them by saving our NHS staff.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 12, 2020, 11:09:19 AM
So Boris says the NHS doctors and nurses  saved his life,  brilliant news, now Boris repay them by saving our NHS staff.

I worked for the emergency services for 32 years I got paid, I knew what I was doing when I joined and I never complained about going the extra mile including risking my own life, our NHS staff are doing a fantastic job, but it is their job, they are looked after, can they be looked after better, yes, but the money tree needs fertilising by the tax payer.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 12, 2020, 11:14:18 AM
Idiots everywhere.
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-young-men-drinking-beer-in-park-swear-at-nurse-after-being-told-to-move-11972121

Not so pleasant language to a lady, too.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 12, 2020, 12:07:23 PM
Our borders are still open, another s***fest pulled off by government

But earlier you said you think it's all nonsense and you're just carrying on as normal?  Should they be shutting the borders then or not?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 12, 2020, 12:11:46 PM
But earlier you said you think it's all nonsense and you're just carrying on as normal?  Should they be shutting the borders then or not?

Yes they should if there is a "spread" as reported.

But they seem to be open to keeping them open and not testing everyone who comes of a flight?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 12, 2020, 01:27:31 PM
Yes they should if there is a "spread" as reported.

But they seem to be open to keeping them open and not testing everyone who comes of a flight?

Do I sense a note of reasoning in your tone - no longer a hoax, close the borders!!eh.
Now if the rest of us or even the Government you detest,  complied with your conspiracy theory and did nothing as you did (are doing) can one imagine the death toll.

I pray that your 97 year old Grandfather is fine, after you purposely hugged him to prove a point - Pity he has a fool for a Grandson.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 12, 2020, 02:00:59 PM
Our borders are still open, another ****fest pulled off by government

Surely our borders have to be open, where do you think a lot of the food we require as well as many other things come from?

As for flights, there are a few but I was under the impression many of them are repatriation flights. I can tell you for a fact that hardly anyone is coming through Birmingham airport, so not exactly the 'sh*tfest' you allege.....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 12, 2020, 03:04:25 PM
I hope to god we don't get the same deaths as Italy but I wouldn't Be surprised

Country should be on lock down by now


Surely David Icke hasn't affected you to the extent that you have totally reversed your opinion in such a short time? Either that or we know the drug dealers are still getting to you in this lockdown 😂
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on April 12, 2020, 03:23:14 PM

Surely David Icke hasn't affected you to the extent that you have totally reversed your opinion in such a short time? Either that or we know the drug dealers are still getting to you in this lockdown 😂
Changes his mind quicker than Trump!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 12, 2020, 03:40:34 PM
710 today, total now 10,585 :(
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbarenno on April 12, 2020, 04:03:56 PM
I’ve heard from a teacher that the date the government are working on to send the kids back to school is Monday June the 1st which is the return date after the whit week break.

My guessing is if that’s the case we will be in this type of lockdown till May 25th when it will be eased slightly then the kids sent back the following week.

9 weeks in lockdown that would be which sounds about right to me. People can work again in Spain from tomorrow, not sure how long it has been there

Fingers crossed this is the case and It isn’t any longer
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 12, 2020, 04:08:15 PM
Spain are a little over 2 weeks ahead of us in terms of the first death.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 12, 2020, 04:38:06 PM
This is a deadly disease.
I have to see a little light humour though, you have to, it is so serious.
There is a certain person on this site, who I have to laugh at with his ideas and such.
Hand wringing, blame making and then several about turns.
He must be on something to come out with such indefensible statements.
Either that or he is a Wind Up Merchant in chief.

Covid-19.... We shall be through it, very soon, or at least I do hope.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 12, 2020, 04:56:29 PM
Starting to look like we are over or at least at the peak.
Talk of a tracking app today.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 12, 2020, 05:25:39 PM
Starting to look like we are over or at least at the peak.
Talk of a tracking app today.

It does look promising mate, however, I wouldn’t be inclined to spread that rumour abroad or we’ll have the morons dancing in the streets.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 12, 2020, 05:55:06 PM
Starting to look like we are over or at least at the peak.
Talk of a tracking app today.

I hope and pray you are right John.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: timdon on April 12, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
This is a deadly disease.
I have to see a little light humour though, you have to, it is so serious.
There is a certain person on this site, who I have to laugh at with his ideas and such.
Hand wringing, blame making and then several about turns.
He must be on something to come out with such indefensible statements.
Either that or he is a Wind Up Merchant in chief.

Covid-19.... We shall be through it, very soon, or at least I do hope.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. It's Donald isn't it?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on April 12, 2020, 06:56:11 PM
I hope we are the peak, but if we are it’s a managed one and doesn’t mean we can just relax everything.

This could be our holding position for some time in my opinion. Theposition where the virus continues to spread but at a manageable rate and one that’s doesn’t overwhelm the NHS.

In my opinion we could have to hold this for a considerable period of time, at least until an anti-gen test is widely available.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggie53 on April 12, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
Starting to look like we are over or at least at the peak.
Talk of a tracking app today.

The civil liberties brigade will never stand for that
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 12, 2020, 07:01:26 PM
The civil liberties brigade will never stand for that

Most people would for a more normal life, the civil liberties brigade would not have wanted a lock down
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 12, 2020, 10:47:47 PM
Most people would for a more normal life, the civil liberties brigade would not have wanted a lock down
The issue (imo) is that people that are a bit stupid and probably should have the APP...won’t, the normal law abiding caring people will gladly download it, but they ain’t the problem.
Why would “drug dealer decker”download a govt managed app showing him going out and meeting multiple people?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2020, 10:57:59 PM
The issue (imo) is that people that are a bit stupid and probably should have the APP...won’t, the normal law abiding caring people will gladly download it, but they ain’t the problem.
Why would “drug dealer decker”download a govt managed app showing him going out and meeting multiple people?

And a worrying observation made on my occasional trips out is that 'business' is very clearly booming around my neck of the woods.... even more contact etc on top of whatever else people are smoking, snorting and sharing. I've got little problem with the virus taking out dealers, it's the members of the general public and healthcare professionals they and their customers come into contact with that concerns me.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 12, 2020, 11:02:04 PM
And a worrying observation made on my occasional trips out is that 'business' is very clearly booming around my neck of the woods.... even more contact etc on top of whatever else people are smoking, snorting and sharing. I've got little problem with the virus taking out dealers, it's the members of the general public and healthcare professionals they and their customers come into contact with that concerns me.

I think this is one of the problems of lock down, they know that it would lead to alcohol and drug use fuelling more domestic abuse, I read somewhere that domestic abuse has risen 120% already.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbarenno on April 13, 2020, 10:30:27 AM
Just replying to alex1 with something about the vaccine being ready for September

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11381706/british-coronavirus-vaccine-weeks-away-oxford-uni/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-as-early-as-september-according-to-scientist-11971804

Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 13, 2020, 11:03:02 AM
Testing of all emergency front line staff it a must reading this.

FIREFIGHTERS are calling for more coronavirus testing to be made available as at least 3,000 staff are reported to be in self-isolation.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1268281/fire-service-coronavirus-testing-union-covid-19-self-isolation.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 13, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Just replying to alex1 with something about the vaccine being ready for September

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11381706/british-coronavirus-vaccine-weeks-away-oxford-uni/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-as-early-as-september-according-to-scientist-11971804

Fingers crossed
Millions will refuse to take a vaccine including my self.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on April 13, 2020, 12:27:29 PM
Just replying to alex1 with something about the vaccine being ready for September

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11381706/british-coronavirus-vaccine-weeks-away-oxford-uni/amp/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-vaccine-could-be-ready-as-early-as-september-according-to-scientist-11971804

Fingers crossed
I think we're all hoping for some good news about a vaccine and it would be great if this Oxford one is able to deliver. Its just that most scientists and other 'experts', talk about a much longer timescale. Its not just discovering the vaccine, its testing it and then mass producing it. It would be very dangerous just injecting millions of people not knowing the side effects. Might kill off lots of people who were always going to survive.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 13, 2020, 12:42:24 PM
Millions will refuse to take a vaccine including my self.

Natural selection in action  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 13, 2020, 12:53:00 PM
Millions will refuse to take a vaccine including my self.

I suppose your kids will not get MMR jabs either?!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adamw1109 on April 13, 2020, 01:01:13 PM
Millions will refuse to take a vaccine including my self.

Your clearly either on a wind up for a reaction or just a complete idiot.

That's fine, least your vaccine can go to someone worth giving it to.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 13, 2020, 01:10:10 PM
Millions will refuse to take a vaccine including my self.

Why??
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 13, 2020, 01:12:01 PM
I would probably be in no rush to have the vaccine, firstly, there are people more in need than me, I'm  58 and in good health, also, once 60 to 70 % of the population have immunity, the virus should die out anyway.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 13, 2020, 01:15:09 PM
Why??

Because they're gullible and been sold the lie that is vaccine's are bad.  Never mind EVERY SINGLE BIT of scientfic evidence shows how effective they are.  It's taken foothold thanks to America and is really causing problems, not only for the people who aren't being vaccinated, but for those who come into contact with them.  Imagine your own children dying because somebody decided that vaccines were some weird conspiracy theory.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 13, 2020, 01:17:42 PM
I would probably be in no rush to have the vaccine, firstly, there are people more in need than me, I'm  58 and in good health, also, once 60 to 70 % of the population have immunity, the virus should die out anyway.

It only dies out if the immunity that you get from infection lasts though.  All signs so far appear to show the antibodies leave pretty quickly so the following year we could all end up in the boat again.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 13, 2020, 01:20:28 PM
It only dies out if the immunity that you get from infection lasts though.  All signs so far appear to show the antibodies leave pretty quickly so the following year we could all end up in the boat again.

Yes, I'm aware of that, if the science points to short term immunity, then obviously, the only route is vaccination.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 13, 2020, 01:22:56 PM
I would probably be in no rush to have the vaccine, firstly, there are people more in need than me, I'm  58 and in good health, also, once 60 to 70 % of the population have immunity, the virus should die out anyway.

I agree. If we are all forced to take it then I will have no choice.

I won't be running to the doctors for it.

I've not had flu vaccine either? I'm more worried of getting the flu than coronavirus tbh. It's just how I feel. Nothing wrong with that.

On positive note Italy and Spain are close to opening a few things up, see some saying way to soon but needs to be done sooner than later
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: wbastrollers on April 13, 2020, 01:27:45 PM
Definitely a wind up - sick all the same.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 13, 2020, 03:31:26 PM
717 lost across the UK today, RIP.  11,329 total. 3rd daily drop in fatalities. Big drop in new cases to 4342 from  5288 yesterday.

Hopefully thats the peak climbed and we are now on the way down.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 13, 2020, 03:35:51 PM
I agree. If we are all forced to take it then I will have no choice.

I won't be running to the doctors for it.

I've not had flu vaccine either? I'm more worried of getting the flu than coronavirus tbh. It's just how I feel. Nothing wrong with that.

On positive note Italy and Spain are close to opening a few things up, see some saying way to soon but needs to be done sooner than later

Why?

Explain the logic.....
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on April 13, 2020, 05:32:24 PM
717 lost across the UK today, RIP.  11,329 total. 3rd daily drop in fatalities. Big drop in new cases to 4342 from  5288 yesterday.

Hopefully thats the peak climbed and we are now on the way down.
I hope so but the reported weekend figures have consistently been a bit lower for various reasons. I think Wednesday and Thursday's figures are going to be important in assessing where we are.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 13, 2020, 05:34:34 PM
Hey Foster,there's a lot wrong with that mate,
You say you don't have a flu jab?
So you give others it then.
Ditto with coronavirus.
You are a piece of work very selfish mate.
Lock yourself away in the place where you live then and don't come into contact with anybody else.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: adamw1109 on April 13, 2020, 05:39:51 PM
Why?

Explain the logic.....

I don't think he even knows what he's saying, never mind explaining why.

Unfortunately common sense ain't all that common anymore and there will always be those types of people in the world.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 13, 2020, 06:58:19 PM
Hey Foster,there's a lot wrong with that mate,
You say you don't have a flu jab?
So you give others it then.
Ditto with coronavirus.
You are a piece of work very selfish mate.
Lock yourself away in the place where you live then and don't come into contact with anybody else.
Save your breath, you cannot speak to those that will not listen

On a side note someone said a 2nd daily drop....crucially the lowest for 6 days too
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 13, 2020, 07:00:46 PM
Is it just me...or do Whitt’s and Valance look like they are about to tell the next journo with a daft question...exactly where they should file it.
We really need to do something about our media...everyone wants to be the next paxman...but not in a good way.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2020, 07:39:50 PM
The questions are baffling. They are simply not going to get anyone to say that the response has cost lives. So why keep asking? It's an entirely unprovable suggestion. Same the other day when they tried to get Patel to apologise. Utter cretins.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 13, 2020, 08:07:39 PM
BBC are worst for it by a country stretch
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 13, 2020, 08:18:53 PM
I find it sad how the tv channels have failed to mentioned a word regarding the ongoing fire in chernobyl that they can't control. Could be another disaster
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2020, 08:59:28 PM
I find it sad how the tv channels have failed to mentioned a word regarding the ongoing fire in chernobyl that they can't control. Could be another disaster


It's a wildfire near Chernobyl, not in the power station itself. Also it's on the BBC website.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 13, 2020, 10:02:15 PM

It's a wildfire near Chernobyl, not in the power station itself. Also it's on the BBC website.

in fairness, if I lived in Kiev, i would not be very happy about those fires! some of the contaminated dust / fallout from the original disaster could become airborne again.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 14, 2020, 05:16:47 AM
Am I right in thinking that the 11329 deaths being reported is hospital deaths and does not include people who died at home and in care homes?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2020, 07:55:13 AM
Am I right in thinking that the 11329 deaths being reported is hospital deaths and does not include people who died at home and in care homes?

As I understand it, yes you are correct.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2020, 07:57:59 AM
Good to see Donald getting called out by a reporter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-52275939/coronavirus-reporter-grills-trump-on-pandemic-response

I bet she is locked up now! So much for democracy :)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 14, 2020, 08:24:07 AM
Am I right in thinking that the 11329 deaths being reported is hospital deaths and does not include people who died at home and in care homes?

I believe I read somewhere that the figures for the care homes will be published this afternoon as they are calculated as a separate entity.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 14, 2020, 08:27:27 AM
Good to see Donald getting called out by a reporter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-52275939/coronavirus-reporter-grills-trump-on-pandemic-response

I bet she is locked up now! So much for democracy :)

She'll need to check the brakes on her car for a few days at least
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2020, 09:07:30 AM
It looks like the brutal truth is that these Nightingale hospitals when fully running will be as much hospices as hospitals, and will be used for those with 50/50 chances, most of whom will be old or ill - expect them to be running until a vaccine is found.  The government's problem is coming and out and saying this openly, doesn't fit well with the Vera Lynn plucky chaps narrative currently out there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2020, 11:18:49 AM
Am I right in thinking that the 11329 deaths being reported is hospital deaths and does not include people who died at home and in care homes?

Yes, that is correct, there is a separate body, (the office of national statistics - ONS) who report on all deaths.

The problem is, the stats that are being published are by scientists & for scientists.

By only reporting hospital deaths & infections there is a fixed set of parameters, that the scientists & clinicians can compare to see if the crisis is worsening or improving. It's that data that the charts are based on.

Outside of the hospital environment, it's not accurate to say if the deaths can be directly attributed to covid19. The care home in Durham for example, there was only one who had been tested positive, the remaining deaths were caused by respiratory illnesses, thought to be covid19

The ONS stats are due to be updated today, but will only give data to 3rd April. the stats up to 27th March showed the beginnings of a spike in covid19 deaths

Update! the ONS stats are now showing a massive spike in covid 19 deaths from 27th March to 3rd April & up by around 5000 for the average for the same period over the previous 5 years.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 14, 2020, 11:47:26 AM
When this is all over and I do think it will be a long way off yet, The first thing we as a country should do after the Street Parties is to have a public enquiry on the way our government handled this. We must learn from this for future generations just in case.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 14, 2020, 12:11:53 PM
Good to see Donald getting called out by a reporter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-52275939/coronavirus-reporter-grills-trump-on-pandemic-response

I bet she is locked up now! So much for democracy :)

Donald stuck it on them and is right again.

He has done more for America compared to Obama who Is idolised

2 fingers up to the media
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 14, 2020, 12:20:28 PM
Eamonn Holmes forced to apologise after his "crackpot theory" on live tv
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 14, 2020, 12:25:04 PM
It looks like the brutal truth is that these Nightingale hospitals when fully running will be as much hospices as hospitals, and will be used for those with 50/50 chances, most of whom will be old or ill - expect them to be running until a vaccine is found.  The government's problem is coming and out and saying this openly, doesn't fit well with the Vera Lynn plucky chaps narrative currently out there.

I think that it's fairly obvious that the new hospitals will become the Covid hospitals so the rest of the NHS can return to something like normality, the government are only telling us what we need to know, and probably rightly, too many people struggle with full picture.
Covid is part of our lives for the next 12 months wether we like it or not, we all need to find ways to live and work around this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2020, 12:25:33 PM
When this is all over and I do think it will be a long way off yet, The first thing we as a country should do after the Street Parties is to have a public enquiry on the way our government handled this. We must learn from this for future generations just in case.

Difficult to get into this discussion without it being political, but undoubtedly there will be lessons learned.
Don't expect too much though, It will be the "we don't buy snow ploughs for one harsh winter in 50 argument"
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 14, 2020, 12:47:40 PM
Donald stuck it on them and is right again.

He has done more for America compared to Obama who Is idolised

2 fingers up to the media

Hardly, have you actually watched it?

Now I know you are a 'wind up merchant'...…...
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Adder on April 14, 2020, 12:54:23 PM
I think that it's fairly obvious that the new hospitals will become the Covid hospitals so the rest of the NHS can return to something like normality, the government are only telling us what we need to know, and probably rightly, too many people struggle with full picture.
Covid is part of our lives for the next 12 months wether we like it or not, we all need to find ways to live and work around this.
I don't think there are enough medics for the rest of the NHS to return to anything like normality for a considerable time. It'll be about putting the resource where it's best placed to save lives. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 14, 2020, 12:54:45 PM
Donald stuck it on them and is right again.

He has done more for America compared to Obama who Is idolised

2 fingers up to the media
I’m guessing you’re a big fan of Fox News.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 14, 2020, 12:57:13 PM
Difficult to get into this discussion without it being political, but undoubtedly there will be lessons learned.
Don't expect too much though, It will be the "we don't buy snow ploughs for one harsh winter in 50 argument"

And that is a valid argument, much as we would all like gold plated, near perfect public public services, every competent government of any colour will have limits placed by available budget,.
I would like to drive a Range Rover Vogue, but I drive a 14 year old Nissan Pathfinder, does almost the same job, but costs much less.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2020, 01:22:24 PM
And that is a valid argument, much as we would all like gold plated, near perfect public public services, every competent government of any colour will have limits placed by available budget,.
I would like to drive a Range Rover Vogue, but I drive a 14 year old Nissan Pathfinder, does almost the same job, but costs much less.

As I said, it's difficult to get into the discussion without getting political, but...........

Agree that the stockpiling for an event that may or may not happen is not a great idea, but I think this pandemic has caught the government out.
There doesn't appear to been a lot of "what if" thinking going on, & almost certainly other issues have taken a front seat over the last 4 years.


This the latest UK disaster plan I can find (p33/34 refers to infectious diseases).

This was published in 2017

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/644968/UK_National_Risk_Register_2017.pdf (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/644968/UK_National_Risk_Register_2017.pdf)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 14, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
I think it's reasonable to not expect the government to have stockpiled ventilators just in case we need them to be fair.  I think stockpiling PPE is another thing though.  We might not be able to stockpile enough but the government could source it and then distribute as needed. 

Failing that we should have plans in place, already, as to what to do if we *do* need a massive amount of PPE quickly or if we do have such a pandemic that means the economy takes a beating and we all can't go and do our jobs.

That's just planning, and something we should have done.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 14, 2020, 01:57:13 PM
A very fair comment Boinging along.

It's impossible to stockpile everything for once in a lifetime events but to have no PPE in reserve is just **** poor planning.

The company i work for keep ZERO PPE in stock as policy. Absolutely ridiculous. If we need something it has to be ordered. I've been working with torn gloves for over a month now due to this idiocy. When asked where are my new gloves everyday they say they can't get any because of Coronavirus virus to which i replied which is why exactly essential PPE should be stocked not ordered.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: MarkW on April 14, 2020, 03:07:33 PM
The government had a state of the art epidemiological model a couple of years ago, the results of which are essentially the plan the government was following in the early stages of the outbreak. This would see what the government would consider an "acceptable" lost of life, while keeping reasonable economic and societal stability. However, the model was built on the assumption the next pandemic would be a more fatal version of season flu (the linked pdf in an above post talks about avian and swine flu).

Covid-19 is not only more fatal, but more virulent - it infects far more people for every original carrier. This means that it spread through the country much quicker, and left the government playing catch up.

I would want to know why, when the data coming out of Iran, Italy and China suggested this was the case, the government persevered with their original plan. This has likely cost lives.

I think in times of disruption, that is when you need to hold a government to account the most, as it's very easy to expand government oversight unnecessarily in the name of an emergency
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: gazberg on April 14, 2020, 03:42:54 PM
778 today a slight increase from yesterday. Total 12,107. RIP.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 14, 2020, 04:49:21 PM
Covid 19 is running wild in care homes, where is the help for them. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 14, 2020, 04:51:50 PM
Covid 19 is running wild in care homes, where is the help for them.


CQC oversee them, but the vast majority are run by private companies who should have their own disaster plans.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 14, 2020, 05:17:18 PM

CQC oversee them, but the vast majority are run by private companies who should have their own disaster plans.

That is correct, the government is there to support them, but blaming the government for their health failings is incorrect, some care homes have done it very well, some haven't.
Older people were always going to die as a result of this, it was a known consequence, we also have the second oldest population in Europe.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 14, 2020, 05:58:45 PM
That is correct, the government is there to support them, but blaming the government for their health failings is incorrect, some care homes have done it very well, some haven't.
Older people were always going to die as a result of this, it was a known consequence, we also have the second oldest population in Europe.

 Vulnerable care home residents ‘abandoned like lambs to the slaughter’ claims ex minister after 92 outbreaks in a day.

It comes after care home bosses claimed health chiefs are playing Russian roulette with old people’s lives because of a lack of testing.

These words from ex Tory minster.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 14, 2020, 06:23:12 PM
Almost everyone is doing their best in an impossibly difficult situation, I have volunteered my own services, but there are a million people who receive care in care homes or their own home. The logistics in providing PPE for that support system when it did not exist at all 5 weeks ago is mind boggling.
Things will not be perfect Kev, all we can expect is that people do their best.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 14, 2020, 06:24:50 PM
A very assured performance from Sunak again. More impressed every time I see him.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 14, 2020, 07:06:35 PM
Always thought he's a future PM
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 14, 2020, 07:10:12 PM
A very assured performance from Sunak again. More impressed every time I see him.

The public speaking coaches at Eton have proved their worth.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 14, 2020, 07:12:31 PM
Vulnerable care home residents ‘abandoned like lambs to the slaughter’ claims ex minister after 92 outbreaks in a day.

It comes after care home bosses claimed health chiefs are playing Russian roulette with old people’s lives because of a lack of testing.

These words from ex Tory minster.

All care homes should have a stock of basic PPE and infection control policies which sort of cover basic reactions to what this is however masks etc and the reaction to COVID 19 has been difficult and (I work with young people with autism care) it must be so difficult in elderly care when there is a breakout.

CQC have been great with advice and policies but I imagine it has been very very difficult running large, elderly homes.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 14, 2020, 07:38:04 PM
Covid 19 is running wild in care homes, where is the help for them.


There you go Kev

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/878099/Admission_and_Care_of_Residents_during_COVID-19_Incident_in_a_Care_Home.pdf (http://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/878099/Admission_and_Care_of_Residents_during_COVID-19_Incident_in_a_Care_Home.pdf)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 14, 2020, 07:45:23 PM
Difficult to get into this discussion without it being political, but undoubtedly there will be lessons learned.
Don't expect too much though, It will be the "we don't buy snow ploughs for one harsh winter in 50 argument"
There will be many views on this crisis, many will use it for political gain, many good people will be taken and many things will change forever.
I’m not particularly politically minded , I have my opinions on things and I know they won’t please all...but I always try and listen to an alternative view too.

There can be no doubt , that if we had more beds, more nurses etc , that we would be better prepared, I do worry that people think that there  is any argument, I also worry that people think there is a big pot of self replenishing money that the government have (irrespective of party) they just don’t...

Do you know what really boils my pi55 during all this though .
Each year this country has to spend in excess of 150 billion on anti terrorism
I don’t think it’s political to say that that money could be better used and that scumbags that try to kill innocent people drain our ability to look after our people...
They more than any Tory/labour/liberal should be dealt with with appropriate force .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 14, 2020, 08:46:49 PM
You would think that it would be part of basics to running a care home and an order by the cqc that all homes must have ppe in stock for all staff plus extra just in case.
Before anyone can set up as a care home and checked in some sort of record book every say 3 months as a duty of care wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 14, 2020, 08:51:44 PM
You would think that it would be part of basics to running a care home and an order by the cqc that all homes must have ppe in stock for all staff plus extra just in case.
Before anyone can set up as a care home and checked in some sort of record book every say 3 months as a duty of care wouldn't you?
It would help make sure they were run properly if they were not private profit making organisations; we have to bite the financial bullet and pay more tax to run them.  In my opinion.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 14, 2020, 09:52:27 PM
It would help make sure they were run properly if they were not private profit making organisations; we have to bite the financial bullet and pay more tax to run them.  In my opinion.

We are going to pay more Tax there is no doubt about that, well those of us who do pay their taxes will.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 14, 2020, 10:25:23 PM
I will gladly pay a tax increase as long as it goes specifically and only to look after and care for elderly people she need it ,whether they have there own home or not.
So they do not have to sell their house to fund their own care!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 14, 2020, 11:15:46 PM
I will gladly pay a tax increase as long as it goes specifically and only to look after and care for elderly people she need it ,whether they have there own home or not.
So they do not have to sell their house to fund their own care!
That sounds nice, but practicalities come in.
My sister is in a care home. She has learning difficulties and severe dementia.
Our mother left the house to her to pay for her care.
OK... some will Pi$$ it up the wall, I am still in the belief, that if you can pay for things, surely you should contribute to your care. (Yeah, I have missed out on the money... So what? My sister/family come first). btw.. I am a 55% right winger.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 15, 2020, 05:49:25 AM
Trump blames World Health Organisation also criticised by Taiwan for not warning of human to human transition earlier.
https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644a-11ea-a6cd-df28cc3c6a68
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 15, 2020, 06:17:45 AM
Donald Trump freezes ALL U.S. funding for World Health Organization accusing it of 'accelerating the pandemic' by opposing his partial ban on travel from China and 'putting political correctness above lifesaving

Well Done trump. Taking the lead role. Like I said last week on here can't trust WHO
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Political Cake on April 15, 2020, 08:48:11 AM
Regarding public attitudes at this time, I wonder how we prevent more people from falling into being mislead and then choosing wilful ignorance... Like a virus, those already head-deep into denialism are incurable until they shatter (and then are of no help).

Or perhaps, such as in Trump's case, wilful blindness (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willful_blindness) is more apt.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 15, 2020, 09:03:08 AM
That sounds nice, but practicalities come in.
My sister is in a care home. She has learning difficulties and severe dementia.
Our mother left the house to her to pay for her care.
OK... some will Pi$$ it up the wall, I am still in the belief, that if you can pay for things, surely you should contribute to your care. (Yeah, I have missed out on the money... So what? My sister/family come first). btw.. I am a 55% right winger.

If you have first hand experience DB, how do you feel about the situation with charities?

Charity shops provide a major source of income, & yet they are closed. Charities are now heavily dependant on donations, at a time when a considerable part of the population are on reduced incomes.
I'm not just talking about local charities, Alzheimers Society, Heart Foundation to name just 2 are in serious trouble.
The initiatives by the public to raise money for the NHS should be applauded, bur IMO, our vulnerable people will be all the more vulnerable without charities & their volunteers.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 15, 2020, 09:50:31 AM
Seems that our Don is slowly losing control in the USA. Played down the virus as a 'type of flu' early doors, and suggested that the country would be done with it by Easter and open for business again. As the death toll sadly rises he is at loggerheads with the state governors and now looking to blame anyone, and the WHO in particular. Now he wants to chair a G7 meeting for a global solution.....thanks Don.

Get your money on Joe Biden as being the next President as the US will call Mr Trump out in November for sheer incompetence and the high death toll........he has not got a clue.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 15, 2020, 09:54:58 AM
Hey Droitwich, I think the state should pay for all people who have to go into a home because their family can't cope any more.
Through a rise in a special tax that is only and specifically for that.
My mother passed away 18 months ago  she began her life in an orphanage, she served her country and was a highly intelligent woman who eventually bought her own house
Which had to be sold to pay for her 24/7 care,she ended up with dementia and not recognising me or my brothers.
Her care cost £1000 per month her house paid for it!
Now when other people choose to only rent through their lives if they have to go into a care home the council pays,in other words at no cost to that person.
Well I don't think that's very fair I think put up tax by 1 or 2 p and designate that money only to care of the elderly .
Mom died not even recognising me and my brothers, where's the fairness in that?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 15, 2020, 10:10:21 AM
My mistake in my previous message,my mothers care was £1000 per week not month.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 15, 2020, 11:16:23 AM
Hey Droitwich, I think the state should pay for all people who have to go into a home because their family can't cope any more.
Through a rise in a special tax that is only and specifically for that.
My mother passed away 18 months ago  she began her life in an orphanage, she served her country and was a highly intelligent woman who eventually bought her own house
Which had to be sold to pay for her 24/7 care,she ended up with dementia and not recognising me or my brothers.
Her care cost £1000 per month her house paid for it!
Now when other people choose to only rent through their lives if they have to go into a care home the council pays,in other words at no cost to that person.
Well I don't think that's very fair I think put up tax by 1 or 2 p and designate that money only to care of the elderly .
Mom died not even recognising me and my brothers, where's the fairness in that?

I thought there was legislation put in place in the last budget so that inheritances would be protected.
In any event, it's not just property values that are taken into account, it's the whole value of the estate, so it's not true to say that property owners are disadvantaged over people who chose to rent.
As I understand it, from dealings with my own family, the cost of providing care is offset against the value of the estate. So, for example, if the cost of care is £1000 per week & care was needed for 150 weeks, then the £150,000 cost would be offset against the value of the person's estate. So if there was an estate value of £200,000, £50,000 would be left for inheritance.
If the cost of care exceeded the value of the estate, then the balance would be picked up by social services acting on behalf of the local authority.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 15, 2020, 11:31:51 AM
It's a difficult subject, but the less generous way of looking at it is, that someone needs care, and if they have assets that could pay for it why shouldn't they use it?  The assets belong to the person, not to their children.  Would the same argument be made if it was a fifty year old millionaire who needed round the clock care suddenly?

You could argue that by putting the tax increase on everyone else, and in those kind of circumstances, it is basically just a way to help someone's children get the inheritance they think they're due.

Maybe there should be more contributions than being hit for the full whack or something, or looking into why care home care is so high.  £4000 a month would get you a full time live in carer with money left over.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 15, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
But isn't the homeowner paying twice?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 15, 2020, 11:54:21 AM
It's a difficult subject, but the less generous way of looking at it is, that someone needs care, and if they have assets that could pay for it why shouldn't they use it?  The assets belong to the person, not to their children.  Would the same argument be made if it was a fifty year old millionaire who needed round the clock care suddenly?

You could argue that by putting the tax increase on everyone else, and in those kind of circumstances, it is basically just a way to help someone's children get the inheritance they think they're due.

Maybe there should be more contributions than being hit for the full whack or something, or looking into why care home care is so high.  £4000 a month would get you a full time live in carer with money left over.

Using the same logic, should we be dispensing with the NHS model?  ;)
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 15, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
It's a difficult subject, but the less generous way of looking at it is, that someone needs care, and if they have assets that could pay for it why shouldn't they use it?  The assets belong to the person, not to their children.  Would the same argument be made if it was a fifty year old millionaire who needed round the clock care suddenly?

You could argue that by putting the tax increase on everyone else, and in those kind of circumstances, it is basically just a way to help someone's children get the inheritance they think they're due.

Maybe there should be more contributions than being hit for the full whack or something, or looking into why care home care is so high.  £4000 a month would get you a full time live in carer with money left over.

As was said in previous posts most care home's are run privately that is why cost's are so high.

What ever happened to the NHS moto from the cradle to the grave.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 15, 2020, 12:26:06 PM
It's a difficult subject, but the less generous way of looking at it is, that someone needs care, and if they have assets that could pay for it why shouldn't they use it?  The assets belong to the person, not to their children.  Would the same argument be made if it was a fifty year old millionaire who needed round the clock care suddenly?

You could argue that by putting the tax increase on everyone else, and in those kind of circumstances, it is basically just a way to help someone's children get the inheritance they think they're due.

Maybe there should be more contributions than being hit for the full whack or something, or looking into why care home care is so high.  £4000 a month would get you a full time live in carer with money left over.


Very surprising take from you, don't suppose you feel the same about NHS services?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: liverbaggie on April 15, 2020, 12:32:13 PM
Another thought what would the government do if everyone just rented ?
Local councils would not be able to cope,the government would have to do something drastic then.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 15, 2020, 12:33:00 PM
But isn't the homeowner paying twice?

We pay twice for lots of things.  I pay tax on my wages, then I spend it in shops and pay VAT.  I buy fuel and alcohol which have their own duty added on top.  I pay for prescriptions, eye tests and dental treatment. 

If someone had £10m in cash in the bank, would you expect them to pay for their own care so they could give their assets to their children?

It's the same old story...

the problem is the way its setup.. if you're poor, you get help
if you're rich, that money doesnt matter
in the middle. you end up having to pay everything

Same thing with a close friend who has a disabled child.  He gets pretty much nothing from the state and what he does get he has to fight for every penny.   If they didn't work they'd get a lot more for free, his job doesn't pay enough to put him in the "can afford what he needs" so they have to pick and choose if he gets a specialised high chair, or if they convert one of the rooms for wheelchair access for the future.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 15, 2020, 01:02:38 PM
That sounds nice, but practicalities come in.
My sister is in a care home. She has learning difficulties and severe dementia.
Our mother left the house to her to pay for her care.
OK... some will Pi$$ it up the wall, I am still in the belief, that if you can pay for things, surely you should contribute to your care. (Yeah, I have missed out on the money... So what? My sister/family come first). btw.. I am a 55% right winger.
Apparently 55% (or 5.5/10) is the exact average for the British population politically, if 0 is full on leftie and 10 is neo-Nazi, so you have probably summed up the way most people feel about this, I'd just add that if we all contribute through progressive taxes then we are all contributing to the care of the elderly, if we move to that model.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: paulosull on April 15, 2020, 01:23:10 PM
Some hopefull news with regards to vaccine, being reported that front line worker's could have shots by Autumn while rest of population could get it by spring next year.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 15, 2020, 02:25:19 PM
I see bill gates is a bit worried on twitter regarding Americans pulling money from WHO

Surprise surprise that he's spoken that millions will refuse a vaccine
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 15, 2020, 02:47:34 PM
I see bill gates is a bit worried on twitter regarding Americans pulling money from WHO

Surprise surprise that he's spoken that millions will refuse a vaccine

He's worried because the science is 100% behind the fact that vaccines work.  When people don't have a vaccine it puts themselves, and more importantly, others at risk.  That's what he's worried about.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 15, 2020, 03:01:37 PM
Another thought what would the government do if everyone just rented ?
Local councils would not be able to cope,the government would have to do something drastic then.

Did you not realise what 'Right to Buy' was about?
It was never about people owning their own homes, it was all about state control.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: exmember on April 15, 2020, 03:19:54 PM
He's worried because the science is 100% behind the fact that vaccines work.  When people don't have a vaccine it puts themselves, and more importantly, others at risk.  That's what he's worried about.

I'm absolutely perplexed by this news that there are actually people stupid enough out there who would refuse a corona virus vaccine.

I swear this was something I learnt around about year 4 science...the age I was 9.

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 15, 2020, 03:21:29 PM
I'm absolutely perplexed by this news that there are actually people stupid enough out there who would refuse a corona virus vaccine.

I swear this was something I learnt around about year 4 science...the age I was 9.

My sister is pretty gullible at the best of times and keeps being sent this kind of nonsense via facebook, all about how to refuse vaccines, and how Bill Gates is involved in controlling people and populations. 

It's literally crazy people talk - I genuinely wouldn't want people who think like that near my children.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hardtobeat on April 15, 2020, 03:48:33 PM
for several years now Bill Gates has warned about how under prepared the world was for a major pandemic, having  left the board of Microsoft he has put a considerable amount of time and money via his foundation into trying t9 right this wrong .
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on April 15, 2020, 04:07:38 PM
for several years now Bill Gates has warned about how under prepared the world was for a major pandemic, having  left the board of Microsoft he has put a considerable amount of time and money via his foundation into trying t9 right this wrong .

Looks like he didn’t succeed then!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BB74 on April 15, 2020, 04:09:12 PM
Has anyone watched Contagion? That is crazy how much that film is like now even considering it is 2011 when the film was made.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: mulliganstired on April 15, 2020, 04:19:19 PM
Has anyone watched Contagion? That is crazy how much that film is like now even considering it is 2011 when the film was made.
I was going to watch that, won't have to now ☺️
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: hardtobeat on April 15, 2020, 04:28:13 PM
Looks like he didn’t succeed then!
Hardly surprising given the quality of politicians about !!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 15, 2020, 04:50:32 PM
https://covid19-uk.co.uk/

Charting the rise and fall of different results with coronavirus. Using different sources.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 15, 2020, 06:17:39 PM
Has anyone watched Contagion? That is crazy how much that film is like now even considering it is 2011 when the film was made.
how did they deal with 5he football shutdown in that ?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 15, 2020, 06:31:29 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/04/15/new-cross-hospital-critically-low-on-ppe-as-urgent-appeal-launched/

New Cross Hospital is running "critically low" on personal protective equipment (PPE) for staff battling coronavirus.

True or not is the question.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2020, 06:38:41 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/04/15/new-cross-hospital-critically-low-on-ppe-as-urgent-appeal-launched/

New Cross Hospital is running "critically low" on personal protective equipment (PPE) for staff battling coronavirus.

True or not is the question.

They should be straight on the blower to Hancock and find out where it is
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: alex1 on April 15, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Donald Trump freezes ALL U.S. funding for World Health Organization accusing it of 'accelerating the pandemic' by opposing his partial ban on travel from China and 'putting political correctness above lifesaving

Well Done trump. Taking the lead role. Like I said last week on here can't trust WHO
So is Trump advocating individual countries going it alone in combatting the global emergency? I would of thought there were major benefits in learning and helping one another, especially from a humanitarian body like the WHO. 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 15, 2020, 10:03:46 PM
So is Trump advocating individual countries going it alone in combatting the global emergency? I would of thought there were major benefits in learning and helping one another, especially from a humanitarian body like the WHO.
No, it appears he is advocating that a multi national NGO should go into a totalitarian state , criticise them and recommend that the state in question is isolated from the rest of the world.
Barking mad!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 16, 2020, 12:07:16 AM
Protesters defied social distancing and gathered outside Michigan's State Capitol to demand Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer end her strict stay-at-home orders because it is denying them of their freedoms and insist people are smart enough to make their own decisions.

Americans the latest to have enough
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 16, 2020, 06:30:23 AM
I see Donald has accused New York of making numbers up.

Been the same in most countries including England, covid  19 on death certificate but it wasn't covid that killed them!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 16, 2020, 07:53:43 AM
Protesters defied social distancing and gathered outside Michigan's State Capitol to demand Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer end her strict stay-at-home orders because it is denying them of their freedoms and insist people are smart enough to make their own decisions.

Americans the latest to have enough

It was held by the Proud Boys group.  A far right hate group.  A doctor had to plead with them to remove a road block they  set up in front of a hospital so he could get ambulances through.

Thats not "americans" its a bunch of Hitler wannabes. 

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/12 ... 6544815104
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 16, 2020, 09:14:11 AM
Protesters defied social distancing and gathered outside Michigan's State Capitol to demand Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer end her strict stay-at-home orders because it is denying them of their freedoms and insist people are smart enough to make their own decisions.

Americans the latest to have enough

I cant work out if your trolling or serious.

How is blocking a hospital standing up for their rights to freedom?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 16, 2020, 09:21:31 AM
It was held by the Proud Boys group.  A far right hate group.  A doctor had to plead with them to remove a road block they  set up in front of a hospital so he could get ambulances through.

Thats not "americans" its a bunch of Hitler wannabes. 

https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/12 ... 6544815104

The video on BBC has nothing to do with "Proud Boys" , or road blocks out side the hospital. Shows just ordinary people who want to get back to work. I have lived in Flint, Michigan and worked in and around Detroit, and know only too well how desolate some peoples lives are there.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 16, 2020, 11:01:58 AM
I see Donald has accused New York of making numbers up.

Been the same in most countries including England, covid  19 on death certificate but it wasn't covid that killed them!

I would love to see your proof on this.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 16, 2020, 11:30:50 AM
I would love to see your proof on this.

There were 6000 more deaths in England & Wales during week ending 3 April than the average for the same period over the 5 previous years.

If it's not covid19 which has caused that, what is it?

At that point, deaths were doubling every 3 days, so it's likely that the figures for week ending 10th April will be far worse.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Foster#1 on April 16, 2020, 11:37:55 AM
I would love to see your proof on this.

I'd like to see the proof that they have died of covid 19.

No proof either.

Numerous people reporting loved ones have died and covid 19 was cause of death but people are adamant that it wasn't covid
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 16, 2020, 11:44:33 AM
I'd like to see the proof that they have died of covid 19.

No proof either.

Numerous people reporting loved ones have died and covid 19 was cause of death but people are adamant that it wasn't covid

So now you saying Doctors in the UK are lying concerning death certificates.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: Albionic on April 16, 2020, 11:53:06 AM
I would love to see your proof on this.
Hate to support this chap, but in this case he is likely to be correct, in as much that covid often doesn’t kill, but the complications arising from the body fighting Covid (pneumonia) often do, hence the complications are listed as cause of death, the root cause will be covid!
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 16, 2020, 12:11:50 PM
Hate to support this chap, but in this case he is likely to be correct, in as much that covid often doesn’t kill, but the complications arising from the body fighting Covid (pneumonia) often do, hence the complications are listed as cause of death, the root cause will be covid!

I am not a doctor but surly if the root cause of death is Covid 19 then that is the cause of death?
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: boinging_along on April 16, 2020, 12:14:00 PM
Depends how you need to count the stats.  If someone is suffering with cancer and would have 12+ months left, then they get Coronavirus and that lowers their immune system enough for the cancer to finish them off.  Did they die of cancer or of Coronavirus?

Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: baggiejohn on April 16, 2020, 12:16:54 PM
Hate to support this chap, but in this case he is likely to be correct, in as much that covid often doesn’t kill, but the complications arising from the body fighting Covid (pneumonia) often do, hence the complications are listed as cause of death, the root cause will be covid!


It's a bit of an academic argument, the facts remain that week ending 3 April there were 6000 more deaths than the average of the corresponding period over the previous 5 years.
I suspect that the poster is querying the stats as a basis for lifting the restrictions.
The BBC is now saying that the ONS figures show that only 1 in 10 deaths are due to covid19, & while that's true up to 27 March, it's no longer valid for the stats which came out on Tuesday for we 3rd April
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: MarkW on April 16, 2020, 12:18:33 PM
I think there's a few things that doctors take note of in these cases. I'll check with my partner when she's up but Albionic basically has it right. It's likely many deaths are due to asphyxiation or something similar - the body can't get enough oxygen into the blood. Covid-19 increases the likelihood of getting Pneumonia, but the Covid virus itself is unlikely to cause the patient to die. It's just the way these things are reported.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 16, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/877302/guidance-for-doctors-completing-medical-certificates-of-cause-of-death-covid-19.pdf

How to complete the cause of death section

• COVID-19 is an acceptable direct or underlying cause of death for the purposes
of completing the Medical Certificate of Cause of Death
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 16, 2020, 01:06:39 PM
I'd like to see the proof that they have died of covid 19.

No proof either.

Numerous people reporting loved ones have died and covid 19 was cause of death but people are adamant that it wasn't covid

See my post in this thread for 05/04/20. I am now looking at a death certificate the states cause of death - Covid 19. Nothing else.

 
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: skyclad99 on April 16, 2020, 01:12:44 PM
Yesterday I lost a friend of 55 years. I spoke to him over the weekend and he told me that both he and his partner were getting over covid. She works in a Nursing Home so you can see where that has come from. On Tuesday he went to a test centre who confirmed that he had it. He was quite bright and fit and went to bed on Tuesday evening in fine spirits - managing to send a few humorous messages at 21.30. Woke up the following day and could not breath - he died there and then with just his partner present.

So when I come on here and read the stupidity of some I get quite cross.

This is real chaps, take it seriously and take care of yourselves
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: kc56wba on April 16, 2020, 01:17:01 PM
Yesterday I lost a friend of 55 years. I spoke to him over the weekend and he told me that both he and his partner were getting over covid. She works in a Nursing Home so you can see where that has come from. On Tuesday he went to a test centre who confirmed that he had it. He was quite bright and fit and went to bed on Tuesday evening in fine spirits - managing to send a few humorous messages at 21.30. Woke up the following day and could not breath - he died there and then with just his partner present.

So when I come on here and read the stupidity of some I get quite cross.

This is real chaps, take it seriously and take care of yourself.

Sorry to hear about your friend Kev
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 16, 2020, 01:21:20 PM
Are we not arguing and debating a really rubbish point? At the end of the day, people are dying are dying and quite an excessive rate.

If an individual tests positive for Covid19 and passes away, then surely the death has to be due to the virus?

I appreciate many have under-lying issues, but its the contraction of the virus which is causing the further complications & ultimately, bringing an end to life.

As for the cancer comparison above, I understand that the immune system becomes significantly weaker due to the cancer but its the immediate contraction of the virus which causes the death, despite how weak the cancer has made the immune system. The only time it should be different is if the cancer causes other body organs to not function, i.e. blood clotting. Although the death is a blood clot, its a death due to the cancer causing the clots. In many cases what we are seeing is the contraction of the virus speeding up the loss of life, unfortunately - the cancer or under-lying health issues does not cause the virus.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: lewisant on April 16, 2020, 01:55:14 PM
Yeah, i've got bad asthma and if i got COVID-19 and died what killed me...my asthma or CV19?

I'd say my asthma is never going to kill me....unless i get something that attacks my respiratory system.

All seems a bit silly this argument and there's a certain poster here that i won't be wasting any time on and i suggest others do the same really.
Title: Re: Coronavirus
Post by: johnny Cash on April 16, 2020, 02:31:08 PM

Are we not arguing and debating a really rubbish point? At the end of the day, people are dying are dying and quite an excessive rate.


Absolutely. Almost like saying being hit by a car or being shot doesn't kill you, internal bleeding / lack of oxygen to the brain does.