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Title: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Mister AT on July 17, 2019, 10:46:00 AM
£8 million fee agreed.

Medical expected.

Looking at some of the comments on Twitter, quite a few of the Cardiff fans seem a bit sad about losing him, some saying they thought he would have a good season this year etc etc.



Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Mister AT on July 17, 2019, 10:48:36 AM
Just looking at his previous stats:

16/17 season scored 12 in 29.
17/18 season scored 9 in 36.

To be honest I am just happy we are signing a striker  :D does look a Bilic type of player though.

At 25 we could get some good years out of him. That's half of the Rondon money gone.

Still leaves us needing at least 1 more striker.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: phbaggies on July 17, 2019, 10:52:37 AM
Am I the only one Googling Kenneth Zohore........  ;D
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Pie on July 17, 2019, 10:54:16 AM
Thats come out of the blue!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: phbaggies on July 17, 2019, 10:55:57 AM
Thats come out of the blue!
Bluebirds actually.....i'll get my coat!  ;D
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: skyclad99 on July 17, 2019, 10:58:49 AM
Who??????

LOL, thats what we love about this club, just when you think you know everything, we get a decent curveball like this. I do not profess to know anything about this guy but on paper it seems like he could be quite useful. Happy days.....[?]
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Mister AT on July 17, 2019, 11:00:03 AM
Who??????

LOL, thats what we love about this club, just when you think you know everything, we get a decent curveball like this. I do not profess to know anything about this guy but on paper it seems like he could be quite useful. Happy days.....[?]

I suppose it goes to show the 'silence' form the clubs doesn't mean we aren't trying to sort deals in the background.

Makes a change for us to only find out about this deal before its complete. Much prefer it this way than being in the public eye for 2 weeks before we complete it.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tuamigos on July 17, 2019, 11:02:01 AM
Looks more composed in front of goal than HRK or Rondon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: phbaggies on July 17, 2019, 11:05:32 AM
Just had a quick look on Twitter, Cardiff fans seem a bit split on it, thinking he could do well but we have overpaid at £8m, my guess is its half that and the rest made up on goals/ appearances/promotion etc personally I dont care, its a signing in an area we need and he knows the league well and its not my money!!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 17, 2019, 11:11:07 AM
Just looking at his previous stats:

16/17 season scored 12 in 29.
17/18 season scored 9 in 36.

To be honest I am just happy we are signing a striker  :D does look a Bilic type of player though.

At 25 we could get some good years out of him. That's half of the Rondon money gone.

Still leaves us needing at least 1 more striker.

Remember those are goals in a Warnock side as well who are not very creative. Think in a Bilic team he could get us 12/15 goals and bring our midfield into play. Seems a strong and technical striker
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: TheBrom on July 17, 2019, 11:18:07 AM
Certainly seems to know where the net is and can finish one on ones. Left footed too?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 17, 2019, 11:19:56 AM
I think 8 million is way over what he is worth. Surely for that kind of money we could have done better?
His goal ratio isnt brilliant either.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Mooncat on July 17, 2019, 11:21:08 AM
New song

When the ball hits the goal
It's not Shearer or Cole
It's Zohore
(pronouncing as Za hore ay)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Mister AT on July 17, 2019, 11:21:42 AM
Remember those are goals in a Warnock side as well who are not very creative. Think in a Bilic team he could get us 12/15 goals and bring our midfield into play. Seems a strong and technical striker

Yeah totally agree.
Seasons work out at just over 1 in 2 and 1 in 4 in their promotion year. Just had a look at Cardiff as a team only scored 69 in 46 that season so they weren't exactly free scoring.

I'm quite happy with the deal to be honest. At times last year we need a striker similar to him, and with us getting him now he seems a better version of HRK which is 100% a good thing  ;D

Just need to compliment him now and get a 'smaller' striker in, someone similar to Gayle/Roofe etc.

Does that put to bed the Maupay rumours now?

I would assume if we get another attacker in it will be a loan deal now.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: skyclad99 on July 17, 2019, 11:23:21 AM
Looks more composed in front of goal than HRK or Rondon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g

Seems to know where the goal is, lets just hope the compilation of 'near misses' is not as long :)

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tucka9 on July 17, 2019, 11:23:44 AM
Deal worth up to £8million means we’re probably paying around £3/4mil upfront and the rest in instalments and add ons I’d presume.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 17, 2019, 11:27:20 AM
If we continue to leak goals anything even remotely like we did last year then we’re going to need this guy to seriously improve his scoring record. We had two 20+ strikers last year this guy would just about get 20 in two seasons, he’s not prolific by any stretch.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Adder on July 17, 2019, 11:34:29 AM
Always struck me as someone with good touch and movement for his size.....fair bit of largely unrealised potential.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Atomic on July 17, 2019, 11:34:55 AM
If we continue to leak goals anything even remotely like we did last year then we’re going to need this guy to seriously improve his scoring record. We had two 20+ strikers last year this guy would just about get 20 in two seasons, he’s not prolific by any stretch.


He's only 25 which means he'd have been relatively young when he played in the Championship before. Also Warnock sides are not known for being free flowing, creating lots of chances. If you take away J Rod's penalties he scored 13 (I think from memory) last season, Zohore is capable of matching that total no question. He's a typical Bilic centre forward, the type I'd expect him to sign.

Let's hope we can get this over the line and let's hope it's the first of at least, a few.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: koren on July 17, 2019, 11:40:12 AM
Watched him a few times last season.
Strong target man on the front, not a goal scorer in PL but should be OK in championship.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: divinewind on July 17, 2019, 11:40:36 AM
Am I the only one Googling Kenneth Zohore........  ;D

No lol. 40 career goals, but big, the right age and hopefully Bilic sees something in him. Probably no coincidence we are after a winger as well, so looks like we are going on the attack this season....fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: darbolina on July 17, 2019, 11:58:59 AM
Seems a decent signing to me in todays market. Big guy with a good touch and an eye for goal. At 25 should have his best years ahead, been on the fringe of the Danish squad and hopefully is hungry (for success not pies)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Blowee on July 17, 2019, 12:01:48 PM
New song

When the ball hits the goal
It's not Shearer or Cole
It's Zohore
(pronouncing as Za hore ay)
Who are Shearer and Cole? Is that Cheryl Cole. Most kids won't have a clue what you're singing about!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: royhan on July 17, 2019, 12:02:59 PM
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/cardiff-city-striker-kenneth-zohore-16598629

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on July 17, 2019, 12:06:47 PM
this isn't too inspiring

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=208465&sid=b6bfbb7523b209b9454cad8745b9ad3f
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: lewisant on July 17, 2019, 12:08:30 PM
Thought we weren't signing anybody permanently?!

Ummmmm, before people judge, Rodriguez and Rondon could be made to sound bad if people read this forum. He's been in a Warnock side.

I'll give the man a chance and bear in mind he won't be the only striker we sign.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: royhan on July 17, 2019, 12:11:04 PM
What City fans are saying on Twitter:

The right time to get rid of zohore and not a bad price considering he’s done absolutely naff all for the last couple of years. Now hopefully we can spend the money wisely on a natural goal scorer

Selling Zohore for £8 Mill is brilliant news

About time we got rid of Zohore, constantly talking about what he "could" do but the fact is his record for a ST is so poor apart from the 12-13 goals he got a few seasons ago. Hes lazy and there's better options out there-8m is superb from City

I like Zohore and feel like much of the issue has been us not playing to his strengths. He can be unstoppable but hasn't been consistent enough. You'd imagine this sale enables a player coming in - fingers crossed it's someone like Britt Assombalonga...


He’s got the perfect skill set for playing as a modern lone striker so not quite sure how we haven’t adapted to his strengths? Unfortunately he’s just too inconsistent to build a team around and £8 million is a big gamble (although a strangely fair price in the modern market)


I think we just lump the ball up to him and hope he wins headers. When he was really good in the Champ, he was good when the balls were played down the channels to him. Agree he's too inconsistent.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 17, 2019, 12:14:28 PM
not one to really get me excited but he cant be as bad as HRK.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: skyclad99 on July 17, 2019, 12:16:01 PM
New song

When the ball hits the goal
It's not Shearer or Cole
It's Zohore
(pronouncing as Za hore ay)

Or;


When you're sat in row Z
and the ball hits your head
Thats Zohore......

I take no credit for that little ditty, they used to sing it about Zamora.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: paulosull on July 17, 2019, 12:24:21 PM
This is where we are at with an owner unable or unwilling to invest his money in club, hope the kid does well but not a signing that has you jumping out of your seat.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: smethwickw on July 17, 2019, 12:27:58 PM
What City fans are saying on Twitter:

The right time to get rid of zohore and not a bad price considering he’s done absolutely naff all for the last couple of years. Now hopefully we can spend the money wisely on a natural goal scorer

Selling Zohore for £8 Mill is brilliant news

About time we got rid of Zohore, constantly talking about what he "could" do but the fact is his record for a ST is so poor apart from the 12-13 goals he got a few seasons ago. Hes lazy and there's better options out there-8m is superb from City

I like Zohore and feel like much of the issue has been us not playing to his strengths. He can be unstoppable but hasn't been consistent enough. You'd imagine this sale enables a player coming in - fingers crossed it's someone like Britt Assombalonga...


He’s got the perfect skill set for playing as a modern lone striker so not quite sure how we haven’t adapted to his strengths? Unfortunately he’s just too inconsistent to build a team around and £8 million is a big gamble (although a strangely fair price in the modern market)


I think we just lump the ball up to him and hope he wins headers. When he was really good in the Champ, he was good when the balls were played down the channels to him. Agree he's too inconsistent.

Now this is someone I'd like to see us in for.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on July 17, 2019, 12:28:40 PM
Hopefully the prospect of leaving Warnock and working with Bilic will re-ignite him.

As with Dan Ashworths tenancy we will have to take a few punts and some will work, some will not. We are not in the position where we can buy guaranteed success sadly.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Mister AT on July 17, 2019, 12:32:17 PM
8 million seems to be the new 3-4million from a few seasons ago doesn't it.

It's about the going rate for a striker of this level. The strikers who have the very good seasons tend to go for 12-15million so I think its a fair price based on his achievements in this league.

Play to his strengths and it does sound like we could potentially have a good striker on our hands.

I wont judge a strikers scoring record in a Warnock team, the same way I wouldn't judge a striker in a Pulis team.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 17, 2019, 12:38:30 PM
not one to really get me excited but he cant be as bad as HRK.
hes around a 1 in 3 striker in this league and gets a fair few assists too. He’s a worse Rondon that can shoot rather than a better HRK.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: seteefeet on July 17, 2019, 12:40:16 PM
8 million seems to be the new 3-4million from a few seasons ago doesn't it.

It's about the going rate for a striker of this level. The strikers who have the very good seasons tend to go for 12-15million so I think its a fair price based on his achievements in this league.

Play to his strengths and it does sound like we could potentially have a good striker on our hands.

I wont judge a strikers scoring record in a Warnock team, the same way I wouldn't judge a striker in a Pulis team.
Looks like he has an eye for goal if used in the right way. Definitely not a traditional target man though, doesn't score many with his head, which may be why Warnock hasn't got the best of him.
Looking at the youtube clip, I think he could suit a 4-3-3, plenty of power and pace and not scared to run at defenders. Interesting.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: seteefeet on July 17, 2019, 12:41:57 PM
hes around a 1 in 3 striker in this league and gets a fair few assists too. He’s a worse Rondon that can shoot rather than a better HRK.
There's a gulf between those two though mate. You can be far, far worse than Rondon but still better than Kanu..
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggies_24 on July 17, 2019, 12:42:02 PM
Don’t know much about the bloke but from what ive read seems to be a big man with good feet which could bode well for linking up with Krovinovic. Scoring record could be better if we could get a 2nd striker alongside him who can bang them in it could be a shrewd signing.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Bakeyaface on July 17, 2019, 12:50:49 PM
Don’t know much about the bloke but from what ive read seems to be a big man with good feet which could bode well for linking up with Krovinovic. Scoring record could be better if we could get a 2nd striker alongside him who can bang them in it could be a shrewd signing.

That's my thoughts exactly. If he could be a hold up type player, someone who can pull defenders about, ruff them up a bit then he could be useful IF we have a nippy Gayle type Striker alongside him.

We lacked a bit of Physical presence last season up top which may have helped.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 17, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
It's generally an uninspiring move, but when you see what other players are going for it's about par for the course.

I'll judge him when I see him, because I don't know enough about him otherwise.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2019, 12:59:01 PM
Hard to judge without knowing the ins and outs of the deal (such as how the add ons are structured), but £8 million feels like a lot for a player with his record.

I feel there is much better value out there, but if we are only paying, say, £4 million up front for a player as a second striker, it might not be a terrible deal.

Can't say the signing gives me much faith though.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on July 17, 2019, 01:01:12 PM
I'm assuming as he is States with Cardiff, that the personal terms are still to be agreed  :-\
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: lewisant on July 17, 2019, 01:03:42 PM
Hard to judge without knowing the ins and outs of the deal (such as how the add ons are structured), but £8 million feels like a lot for a player with his record.

I feel there is much better value out there, but if we are only paying, say, £4 million up front for a player as a second striker, it might not be a terrible deal.

Can't say the signing gives me much faith though.

If it's him PLUS a decent striker loan signing then we could do worse. You've got to say though, it puts to bed Maupay rumours srely as he'll be at least £15 million and £23 mill on strikers just isn't happening if we're being realistic.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tommcneill on July 17, 2019, 01:11:58 PM
Looks big and strong and quick.

Eye for goal too....not seen much of him tbh but from what i have seen he could turn out to be a decent signing
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: we8seals on July 17, 2019, 01:17:46 PM
Hard to judge without knowing the ins and outs of the deal (such as how the add ons are structured), but £8 million feels like a lot for a player with his record.

I feel there is much better value out there, but if we are only paying, say, £4 million up front for a player as a second striker, it might not be a terrible deal.

Can't say the signing gives me much faith though.

Come on then - what’s all this better value that’s out there??
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tuamigos on July 17, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
I wouldn't read too much into what other forums say about players.
Remember what a lot of people said about Rondon last season?
Sometimes the player needs the right manager to get the best out of them
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Andio on July 17, 2019, 01:22:57 PM
Looks more composed in front of goal than HRK or Rondon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g

He scored in front of the south bank and gave them the ears. He'll do for me  ;D

Kidding aside, there is some great finishes in there but as we all know youtube compilation videos are never the best example of a player.

Looks decent though.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggie82 on July 17, 2019, 01:25:03 PM
So we’re signing an journeyman for £8m with a poor goal scoring record to replace more than 40 goals in our team. More evidence that a shitshow of a season is on the cards.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Atomic on July 17, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
So we’re signing an journeyman for £8m with a poor goal scoring record to replace more than 40 goals in our team. More evidence that a shitshow of a season is on the cards.


You want us to sign a player that guarantees us 40 goals do you?

I'm afraid Messi and Ronaldo are out of our price range.

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Jack Thrust on July 17, 2019, 01:27:58 PM
Journeyman? At age 25 and having been at his previous club 3 years? Bit harsh perhaps?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 17, 2019, 01:30:29 PM

You want us to sign a player that guarantees us 40 goals do you?

I'm afraid Messi and Ronaldo are out of our price range.

think you maybe have missed the point. i think most will agree we are not going to spend 40m on transfers this summer.

so 8m is a big percentage of our budget of what we will be spending and taking that into account that it is on a player who has scored 21 goals in 65 appearances is a huge gamble in replacing the goals we have lost from last season.

lets hope he bangs them in for us and Billic can get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 17, 2019, 01:32:38 PM
So we’re signing an journeyman for £8m with a poor goal scoring record to replace more than 40 goals in our team. More evidence that a shitshow of a season is on the cards.

I'll wait for the rest of the additions before getting my knickers in a twist.

Zohore will be a good signing providing there are others to compliment the addition.

If come the end of the window, he is the only signing in the forward areas, then I like you will be fuming.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: WBArgo on July 17, 2019, 01:33:25 PM
He's scored 23 in 77 Championship games - which isn't too bad and for his age it seems a reasonable price. Nonetheless, time will tell as per usual.

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: SirTonyM on July 17, 2019, 01:40:59 PM
Not a wow signing but seems like Bilic’s “big man”. Still need an out and out goal scorer to compliment. As reports have mentioned if it’s 4 with 4 being add ons / promotion etc then seems not too bad.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: AlbionFan on July 17, 2019, 01:42:49 PM
If it comes to fruition, I look forward to welcoming to Albion and cheering all the goals he is going to score for us  ;D
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 17, 2019, 01:44:38 PM
this isn't too inspiring

https://cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=208465&sid=b6bfbb7523b209b9454cad8745b9ad3f
Can’t say I know much about him, but I’m damned if I’m going to take much notice of other forums. He certainly seems very comfortable with through balls.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tuamigos on July 17, 2019, 01:45:22 PM
think you maybe have missed the point. i think most will agree we are not going to spend 40m on transfers this summer.

so 8m is a big percentage of our budget of what we will be spending and taking that into account that it is on a player who has scored 21 goals in 65 appearances is a huge gamble in replacing the goals we have lost from last season.

lets hope he bangs them in for us and Billic can get the best out of him.

If we can shore the defence up and get some discipline into the side we shouldn't need to replace all those goals.
1-0 is as good a win as 4-3
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: SirTonyM on July 17, 2019, 01:51:03 PM
“To reach that figure, Zohore must make a set number of appearances, score a set number of goals, and help the club win promotion”.
This was in Matt Wilson’s article so its 2 Million then :)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Mister AT on July 17, 2019, 02:12:17 PM
Can’t say I know much about him, but I’m damned if I’m going to take much notice of other forums. He certainly seems very comfortable with through balls.

You only have to look at our Rondon thread comments and view the Newcastle Rondon thread to see the opinions differ. There are some fans here who think Rondon is rubbish, whereas certain Newcastle fans think he's god.

I will judge Zohore on what he does in a WBA shirt. For what its worth - do I think he's better than HRK...yes. So even on that logic, I'm happy  :D
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: darby009 on July 17, 2019, 02:22:36 PM
I think 8 million is way over what he is worth. Surely for that kind of money we could have done better?
His goal ratio isnt brilliant either.

given todays prices 8 million (which is including all add ons etc) is a reasonable price and the equivalent to the old 2.5 - 3 mill

he does also look like a player who can play on the shoulder of the last man which in this league could work really well
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: mulliganstired on July 17, 2019, 02:44:36 PM
Brother-in-law watches Cardiff a fair bit and he reckons he's good for champ level, gets in amongst.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 17, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
Brother-in-law watches Cardiff a fair bit and he reckons he's good for champ level, gets in amongst.
Thanks for that mate, much rather a witness view, than a youtube video. I remember the Kryzowiak video, must have been made for the occasion.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: NJS on July 17, 2019, 02:59:17 PM
Certainly seems to know where the net is and can finish one on ones. Left footed too?

Predominantly left footed the 3/4 right foot goals were tap ins.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: we8seals on July 17, 2019, 03:15:40 PM
I think 8 million is way over what he is worth. Surely for that kind of money we could have done better?
His goal ratio isnt brilliant either.

I think you need a reality check and realise that this is the market we are shopping in now- we paid 16 million for Rondon and there are plenty of our fans who think he is awful - so not sure what you think 8 million is going to get us.

We have gone foe a manager who pretty much has universal fan approval and its fair to assume he has had a say in this purchase so starting off with all the negative stuff before the guy has put on the shirt is quite frankly idiotic.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SIGNING MESSI
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Atomic on July 17, 2019, 03:17:58 PM
I think you need a reality check and realise that this is the market we are shopping in now- we paid 16 million for Rondon and there are plenty of our fans who think he is awful - so not sure what you think 8 million is going to get us.

We have gone foe a manager who pretty much has universal fan approval and its fair to assume he has had a say in this purchase so starting off with all the negative stuff before the guy has put on the shirt is quite frankly idiotic.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SIGNING MESSI


We could at least inquire. He's sort of Eastern European like Slaven, well, almost and he's Croatian, well almost.

Go get him Albion.  ;D
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on July 17, 2019, 03:31:58 PM

We could at least inquire. He's sort of Eastern European like Slaven, well, almost and he's Croatian, well almost.

Go get him Albion.  ;D
Mixing your Messi’s with your Modric’s methinks
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: gazberg on July 17, 2019, 03:40:21 PM
Not a clue on how good this chap is, Cardiff fans seem happy hes going but one fact is the next strilker we buy or loan better be bloody prolific though judging from his stats.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: BalisPen on July 17, 2019, 03:47:48 PM
The prices have gone mental since the Neymar transfer with Lewis Dunk rated at £45m and McGuire at £80m.

If this deal is £4m down and add ons then It's ok, but his record of 1 in 4 isn't inspiring and very much a younger David McGoldrick type player, who most said no to last season on a free.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: SirTonyM on July 17, 2019, 04:21:03 PM
Transfer news is often misleading. The reason Cardiff are laughing is the fee of 8Mill. But it’s not 8, it’s probably around 4 (which is what we got for Rogers) and will only get to 8 with promotion, goals etc. A bunch of Cardiff fans seem to think there is a player in there if Slav can motivate him. At only 25 who knows.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: California Dreaming on July 17, 2019, 04:28:51 PM
I think you need a reality check and realise that this is the market we are shopping in now- we paid 16 million for Rondon and there are plenty of our fans who think he is awful - so not sure what you think 8 million is going to get us.

We have gone foe a manager who pretty much has universal fan approval and its fair to assume he has had a say in this purchase so starting off with all the negative stuff before the guy has put on the shirt is quite frankly idiotic.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE SIGNING MESSI

If we did sign Messi, certain people on here would be moaning that he’s too old.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: TheBrom on July 17, 2019, 04:46:50 PM
If we did sign Messi, certain people on here would be moaning that he’s too old.

He is quite short too..
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2019, 05:00:13 PM
Come on then - what’s all this better value that’s out there??

It's always a worthwile exercise going through the transfer lists in Bundesliga and Ligue 1. Some clubs will still spend €20 million on a player, but due to getting less money than in England, they have to be more sensible and look for bargains. The majority of signings you see (even this summer) are in the 3-6 million euro bracket. That's Euros! That's their top flight leagues!

They shop more in Eastern Europe and Portugal where there are bargains to be had.

Another good example, Real Sociedad have just paid £8 million for a 19 year old who scored 13 goals between Jan and May this year. Yeah it's the Dutch league, but if he played a season he was on course for 26 goals at the same age as Rakeem Harper. Can you imagine what a player like that would be sold for in England?

There is value out there if you follow a more continental model.

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 17, 2019, 05:04:29 PM
It's always a worthwile exercise going through the transfer lists in Bundesliga and Ligue 1. Some clubs will still spend €20 million on a player, but due to getting less money than in England, they have to be more sensible and look for bargains. The majority of signings you see (even this summer) are in the 3-6 million euro bracket. That's Euros! That's their top flight leagues!

They shop more in Eastern Europe and Portugal where there are bargains to be had.

Another good example, Real Sociedad have just paid £8 million for a 19 year old who scored 13 goals between Jan and May this year. Yeah it's the Dutch league, but if he played a season he was on course for 26 goals at the same age as Rakeem Harper. Can you imagine what a player like that would be sold for in England?

There is value out there if you follow a more continental model.
Our lot don't go and see them. must have electronic tags or summat.  :-X
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: charlebaggie on July 17, 2019, 05:09:14 PM
Our lot don't go and see them. must have electronic tags or summat.  :-X
   How do you know they dont go and get them watched?  8)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: hardtobeat on July 17, 2019, 05:16:13 PM
Come on then - what’s all this better value that’s out there??
A championship club just sold an England international who scored 20+ last season for 10 million , reckon that's better value myself !!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: we8seals on July 17, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
A championship club just sold an England international who scored 20+ last season for 10 million , reckon that's better value myself !!

That remains to be seen given their respective ages - and that is a fatuous example as we could not afford to keep the player in question and he wanted to go.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: alex1 on July 17, 2019, 05:30:00 PM
Relieved we're getting some competition for spaces up front, although to be honest, I'd rather it was a more mobile, player of the type Gayle. I can't say I know alot about this bloke, but if reports about him are right, he's more of a tall target man. Yes, we could certainly do better than HRK there, but what is crucial is getting a player who can anticipate goal chances, and then convert a fair few. I hope we are still considering Neal Maupay, who falls more into that category, and that we would still have enough left in the budget to make a serious offer for him. 
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Plastic Paddy on July 17, 2019, 05:37:20 PM
Relieved we're getting some competition for spaces up front, although to be honest, I'd rather it was a more mobile, player of the type Gayle. I can't say I know alot about this bloke, but if reports about him are right, he's more of a tall target man. Yes, we could certainly do better than HRK there, but what is crucial is getting a player who can anticipate goal chances, and then convert a fair few. I hope we are still considering Neal Maupay, who falls more into that category, and that we would still have enough left in the budget to make a serious offer for him.

I also assumed he was just a target man but seems fairly mobile in the clip below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: alex1 on July 17, 2019, 05:54:25 PM
I also assumed he was just a target man but seems fairly mobile in the clip below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNcEkw-WB7g
Yes. He has a fair left foot shot as well, and I like forwards who have the courage to chip goalkeepers.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Blowee on July 17, 2019, 05:59:41 PM
Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on July 17, 2019, 06:01:05 PM
Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.
Foggo
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: charlebaggie on July 17, 2019, 06:04:38 PM
Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.
    KennyFogo  Ken Stephens
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Blowee on July 17, 2019, 06:06:07 PM
Foggo
Before my time!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on July 17, 2019, 06:07:00 PM
Luke 4 Ken Moore
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Oslobaggie on July 17, 2019, 06:24:51 PM
Can't be many Kens to have played for the Baggies! Can't think of any of the top of my head.

Ken McNaught, Kenny Swain.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: timdon on July 17, 2019, 06:59:16 PM
Ken Hodgkinson.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggie82 on July 17, 2019, 07:07:34 PM
He's scored 23 in 77 Championship games - which isn't too bad

We have different standards. I would say that is abject for the championship. Certainly not what we need to get promotion. I've seen a bit of Lahore for Cardiff. I would describe him as a big lump with a chip on his shoulder and a bad attitude. A poor mans Danny Dichio. So I can't say I'm pleased to be spending £4m-£8m of our budget on him. Smack's of a panic signing.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 17, 2019, 07:29:14 PM
We have different standards. I would say that is abject for the championship. Certainly not what we need to get promotion. I've seen a bit of Lahore for Cardiff. I would describe him as a big lump with a chip on his shoulder and a bad attitude. A poor mans Danny Dichio. So I can't say I'm pleased to be spending £4m-£8m of our budget on him. Smack's of a panic signing.


It really does seem like a panic buy. He's hardly set the world alight but I have got limited knowledge on him. That's a lot of money to spend on unproven.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: royhan on July 17, 2019, 07:41:26 PM


It really does seem like a panic buy. He's hardly set the world alight but I have got limited knowledge on him. That's a lot of money to spend on unproven.


Cardiff fans on twitter seem generally pleased to offload Zohore. Inconsistent is a word many use to describe him. He's also not the most prolific of scorers. Smacks of a typically cheap option to me.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: AlbionFan on July 17, 2019, 07:46:23 PM
How about giving the bloke a chance to kick a ball for us and assess him on performances for us
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: graka on July 17, 2019, 07:49:42 PM
An ok signing. More of a physical presence that we missed at times last season.
It all depends on what formation we will play but at times we will need to go 4-4-2 so at least one more striker required hopefully a Gayle type.
We still need someone to play on the left. Phillips and Burke have the right side covered
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: saml30 on July 17, 2019, 08:03:19 PM
At the £8M price I just hope he’s not going to be an Anichibe mk2

May I add I wanted us to look at him a couple of years ago
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Adder on July 17, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
We have different standards. I would say that is abject for the championship. Certainly not what we need to get promotion. I've seen a bit of Lahore for Cardiff. I would describe him as a big lump with a chip on his shoulder and a bad attitude. A poor mans Danny Dichio. So I can't say I'm pleased to be spending £4m-£8m of our budget on him. Smack's of a panic signing.
I work in Cardiff and watch them occasionally and when they're on Sky and get a fair bit of media news on local TV. He's tall but pretty athletic and mobile - not a lump. Definitely not a lighthouse type centre forward. I'd say he's got a fair bit of ability and potential ...time will tell as usual.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: frazzle on July 17, 2019, 08:58:35 PM
Jesus Christ. The negativity on this forum. Why I barely post any more.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Standaman on July 17, 2019, 10:55:47 PM
My initial reaction was that we were paying too much for him but it seems the headline fee of £8m is actually £6m + £2m
add-ons or even £4m + £4m add-ons I am a lot more sanguine about it.

 On the plus side he is the target man that we need and while not as prolific as some would like he is no slouch in front of goal. I would also add that while not as pronounced as the Pulis effect the impact of Warnock's football reduces the opportunities that strikers get and therefore scoring double figures in a Warnock side is no mean feat. Generally video clips prove very little (nobody shows the subject shanking a shot into the crowd) I did note that on many occasions there was hardly another Cardiff player within 20 yards of him.

Zohore is a solid signing for the Championship, is his ceiling much higher?  Probably not but this is not an issue for the here and now.

Are there better value signings? There probably is although there is no guarantee that we could land them as a Championship side.   
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: wimbledon baggie on July 17, 2019, 11:14:07 PM
There is a touch of Cyrille about the way he bullied his way past those defenders.

Definitely an upgrade on HRK so I think could be decent value if he has the right attitude. Great left foot on him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: caravanc58 on July 17, 2019, 11:26:53 PM
know nothing of him but if he's a warm body he's welcome!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 18, 2019, 12:31:42 AM
This is a weird one for me...he has't really done anything to warrant us investing such a big chunk of cash on. In all honesty, I haven't seen much of him but I'm not really hearing too much positivity from anywhere. There has to be better value out there. I don't mind waiting till the last day if it means the right signings..... this just seems a bit desperate to me.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: johnny Cash on July 18, 2019, 01:35:42 AM
Uninspiring.

It seems most clubs near the top of the championship have is someone who scores around 20 goals in the season. I’m sure when we got promoted and our top scorer was Dorrans it was a real anomaly so we still need to find a goal scorer and have a further restricted budget.

A goal scorer would be my number one priority and I don’t think he’s it.   

As for ignoring other teams forums, it would seem silly to completely disregard them and yet on the other hand preach how composed he looks in a video only showing his goals. That seems to be manipulating the available info to suit.

It is hard to judge one bit of business in isolation though, given the rebuild needed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tuamigos on July 18, 2019, 06:46:08 AM
This is a weird one for me...he has't really done anything to warrant us investing such a big chunk of cash on. In all honesty, I haven't seen much of him but I'm not really hearing too much positivity from anywhere. There has to be better value out there. I don't mind waiting till the last day if it means the right signings..... this just seems a bit desperate to me.

I doubt very much if we've paid £8m up front for him.
As with most deals now we will end up paying £8m if he meets all the criteria laid down.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: skyclad99 on July 18, 2019, 08:07:15 AM
If, like me you all went to Wiki to check Ken out then you will have seen he has a 1 in 4 hit rate. It did occur to me that had his strike rate been any higher then I would not have needed to refer to Wiki......

Lets give the guy a chance.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: miggybaggy on July 18, 2019, 08:29:55 AM
Surely its as much to do with the quality of the supplies to the strikers? That's where we should be concentrating our efforts more IMO. Our attacking approach since the disaster that was Pulis has been largely slow and poor (with the exception of Barnes).

This lad could well be OK given the right sort of chances...surely?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: royhan on July 18, 2019, 08:31:00 AM
The thoughts of a Cardiff journalist on Zohore

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-west-brom-both-16603561


Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: phbaggies on July 18, 2019, 08:46:43 AM
I asked a Cardiff fan on Twitter if he was really that bad last night, his response:

"He don't like running, he's not very good at heading, even the smallest defenders out muscle him, he can't pass and his shooting, well 10 goals in 2 seasons says everything really. Half our fans boo if he's brought on, its like playing with 10 men."

I know we have to judge him in our shirt but I just hope this is him not fitting in to a Warnock type system of play......  :-\
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: lewisant on July 18, 2019, 09:20:05 AM
Just remember you can ask 2 West Brom fans what they think of Rondon and you could get 2 totally different answers!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Jack Thrust on July 18, 2019, 09:35:28 AM
Just ask yourself this question, who's opinion of a footballer would you trust more? Neil Warnock or Slaven Bilic?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tuamigos on July 18, 2019, 09:46:25 AM
Just ask yourself this question, who's opinion of a footballer would you trust more? Neil Warnock or Slaven Bilic?

At the moment Colin has the experience at Championship level Bilic is unknown.
Lets give Zohore a chance and judge for ourselves.
We stuck with the likes of Anichebi, Lambert, Luke Moore, Dobbie, Dichio, and to some extent Rondon who split the fanbase.
On the plus side he can't be any worse than HRK
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Oldbury24 on July 18, 2019, 10:06:46 AM
Tall, athletic forward inconsistent in front of goal with one year left on his contract -  out.  Tall athletic forward inconsistent in front of goal with one year left on his contract - in.  And we appear to be £8m up.   Time will tell, but seems ok to me.     
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: charlebaggie on July 18, 2019, 10:15:20 AM
Cant believe the garbage on here sometimes.Experts who seem to know everything about another teams player when you've probably never seen him play in the flesh.Listening to other fans who are about to lose one of there players to a league rival .Seems like the boo boys are out before he's even signed :-\
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: divinewind on July 18, 2019, 10:22:16 AM
From reading the comments obviously a player with the skill and potential but needs motivation. We have had a few like that.
Hopefully Zohore realises this may be his last chance to shine or get ito the prem either with or without us, and hopefully Bilic and Dicks can kick ass.

Actually i can see him and HRK forming a partnership like Allen and Nicholls, or Astle and Brown, or even Taylor and Hunt.

Actually i am joking and we need to sign someone to play alongside him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: lewisant on July 18, 2019, 10:29:49 AM
The thoughts of a Cardiff journalist on Zohore

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cardiff-city-west-brom-both-16603561

This is probably a good thing to read for more of an impartial opinion
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: phbaggies on July 18, 2019, 10:41:34 AM
Cant believe the garbage on here sometimes.Experts who seem to know everything about another teams player when you've probably never seen him play in the flesh.Listening to other fans who are about to lose one of there players to a league rival .Seems like the boo boys are out before he's even signed :-\
Apologies for asking a Cardiff fan about a Cardiff player I had no previous knowledge on. Clearly this makes me a 'boo boy' in your world.....

just out of curiosity what should we write about on a forum about a player we are likely to sign??
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: skyclad99 on July 18, 2019, 10:57:00 AM
Apologies for asking a Cardiff fan about a Cardiff player I had no previous knowledge on. Clearly this makes me a 'boo boy' in your world.....

just out of curiosity what should we write about on a forum about a player we are likely to sign??

I think it is more of a general observation ph as opposed to being aimed at you. I sort of feel the same to be honest. This one came from leftfield and caught us all offguard and scrambling for Wiki.

As you will see from the posts, some think the fee is too high, some are 'underwhelmed', and some refer to his poor strike rate. If, like me, you had never heard of him before yesterday morning then you have to assume that we have done our homework and he is a player that Slaven wants into the club, so we should get behind him regardless....

Your 'informed' view from a Cardiff fan is welcome. The article from the journalist in this thread is interesting as well.   
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: SmethDan on July 18, 2019, 11:03:21 AM
Cant believe the garbage on here sometimes.Experts who seem to know everything about another teams player when............

....... in many instances they don't have a clue regarding our own players strengths and weaknesses  ;) .
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: phbaggies on July 18, 2019, 11:38:57 AM
I think it is more of a general observation ph as opposed to being aimed at you. I sort of feel the same to be honest. This one came from leftfield and caught us all offguard and scrambling for Wiki.

As you will see from the posts, some think the fee is too high, some are 'underwhelmed', and some refer to his poor strike rate. If, like me, you had never heard of him before yesterday morning then you have to assume that we have done our homework and he is a player that Slaven wants into the club, so we should get behind him regardless....

Your 'informed' view from a Cardiff fan is welcome. The article from the journalist in this thread is interesting as well.   
As i stated though, i'm hoping IF he is that poor it is purely the fact of playing in a Warnock team and this will be a move that re-ignites him, I have no opinion of him in any way shape or form as i had never even heard of him let alone seen him play and at 4-8 million you are going to get someone inconsistent or less prolific, if he wasn't either of them he would be a lot more expensive and probably wouldn't be coming to us.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: charlebaggie on July 18, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
I think it is more of a general observation ph as opposed to being aimed at you. I sort of feel the same to be honest. This one came from leftfield and caught us all offguard and scrambling for Wiki.

As you will see from the posts, some think the fee is too high, some are 'underwhelmed', and some refer to his poor strike rate. If, like me, you had never heard of him before yesterday morning then you have to assume that we have done our homework and he is a player that Slaven wants into the club, so we should get behind him regardless....

Your 'informed' view from a Cardiff fan is welcome. The article from the journalist in this thread is interesting as well.   
   Correct! Not aimed at you .Just a general observation of some of the posts on here.lets judge later.Hes not even signed yet
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: KN22 on July 18, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
Just ask yourself this question, who's opinion of a footballer would you trust more? Neil Warnock or Slaven Bilic?

I liked this... and my answer is Bilic all day long! Let us give the lad a chance (assuming he actually signs)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Baggies on July 18, 2019, 01:05:49 PM
Can I give an opinion on a deal or should I ask permission first? Understand only happy positive messaging is allowed like, so wondering if I should wait for approval?

The comments from opposing fans should be taken with a pinch of salt of course, but they are still valid, unless you think those in charge have super human powers that normal fans don't (just on the back of having played pro). If football fans on forums really do know f*** all about football, then why are any of you bothering to post on here in the first place, just adding to what you see as a load of bulls***?

The Cardiff journo is maybe the most useful as he will always try to give a balanced view and not take emotion into account.

I don't think the signing, when taken in isolation, is necesserily a bad one. He had potential 3 seasons ago and in an attacking team with a fresh pair of eyes he could take off.

Goals are also not everything, as if we get a forward who is a goalscorer as our next aquisition in the coming weeks then he could be a great partner (think Heskey).

I do however have some reservations about offering 8 million, however it is broken down in add ons, on a player with his track record. There will no doubt be similar players from Bundesliga 2, Ligue 2, Serie B, La Segunda and Portugal/Netherlands/Eastern Europe with a similar track record and style but who would probably cost half what we are paying.

My reservations are mainly down to it being a signal that the club's "transfer department" are not spreading their gaze wide enough. I'm not being an arm chair expert saying that, i'm juet basing it on having followed hundreds of football journalists from around the globe over the last 10 years who have reported on different leagues transfers and seeing how little the top clubs on the continent pay.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: hardtobeat on July 18, 2019, 01:23:19 PM
To me it depends on what % of our transfer budget this is using up . 70 % or more and it doesn't seem or feel like a good deal. 50% or less and its probably a risk worth taking
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: SirTonyM on July 18, 2019, 02:25:03 PM
I liked this... and my answer is Bilic all day long! Let us give the lad a chance (assuming he actually signs)

Don’t like Warnock and never have, much prefer Bilic. I will say that Warnock is not an idiot (this is a reason why). “He holds the record for the most promotions in English football, with eight”.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: seteefeet on July 18, 2019, 02:47:15 PM
Don’t like Warnock and never have, much prefer Bilic. I will say that Warnock is not an idiot (this is a reason why). “He holds the record for the most promotions in English football, with eight”.
I think Warnock saw him as a target man, which he doesn't appear to be. He doesn't seem great in the air, either from the clips or from Cardiff fans opinions, so can see why he didn't fit a Colin style.
What he does seem to have though is power and pace and he's not scared to take on defenders, which suggests he may perform better in a more free role in a front 2 or 3. Step in Bilic to get the best out of him.
There is no doubt it's a risk but the outlay is not that great, around £4m I believe, with the add-ons only kicking in if he and, therefore we, are successful. In which case even at the full £8m it will be worth it.
Personally, I think he is well worth a shout and could be a very astute bit of business. Only 1 link in the chain though, more are needed for it to fully succeed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Baggy nerd on July 18, 2019, 03:04:48 PM
If we continue to leak goals anything even remotely like we did last year then we’re going to need this guy to seriously improve his scoring record. We had two 20+ strikers last year this guy would just about get 20 in two seasons, he’s not prolific by any stretch.

The play-off semi showed that we could defend if we wanted to, but DM didn't appear to have the tactical awareness to set us up right. I'm hoping the defending will be better now we have a more experienced manager and we may not need as many goals.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Windmill Baggy on July 18, 2019, 03:19:14 PM
Before Zohore moved to Cardiff permanently, he had a short loan spell there, scoring 2 goals in 12 appearances, of which only 2 were starts. He only played 258 minutes during that spell, averaging 1 goal every 129 minutes.

In his 2 full seasons in the Championship with Cardiff, he scored 21 goals in 65 appearances, 54 of which were starts.

His goal per minute average over those 2 seasons was 1 every 233 minutes, which is just over 1 goal per every 2.5 games.

He made 30 starts for Cardiff during their promotion season, so he has good experience and the pedigree of playing in a winning side in this division.

All things considered, his record at this level doesn't look too shabby to me.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: divinewind on July 18, 2019, 03:30:29 PM
How long on average does it take to sign a player after a fee has been agreed by both clubs. I think we might sign another one before the window closes.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 18, 2019, 03:35:56 PM
How long on average does it take to sign a player after a fee has been agreed by both clubs. I think we might sign another one before the window closes.
depends on the player, may still be contracts, medical, photos and other nonsense. On average I’d say a day or two but can be condensed to a couple hours if needed on deadline day.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: lewisant on July 18, 2019, 03:36:50 PM
Before Zohore moved to Cardiff permanently, he had a short loan spell there, scoring 2 goals in 12 appearances, of which only 2 were starts. He only played 258 minutes during that spell, averaging 1 goal every 129 minutes.

In his 2 full seasons in the Championship with Cardiff, he scored 21 goals in 65 appearances, 54 of which were starts.

His goal per minute average over those 2 seasons was 1 every 233 minutes, which is just over 1 goal per every 2.5 games.

He made 30 starts for Cardiff during their promotion season, so he has good experience and the pedigree of playing in a winning side in this division.

All things considered, his record at this level doesn't look too shabby to me.

Good post!

I hope we can get this and at least another in by tomorrow so we've got Krovinovic, Zohore and another all in to integrate for the next friendly so we aren't getting too many bodies in with barely any friendlies left.

depends on the player, may still be contracts, medical, photos and other nonsense. On average I’d say a day or two but can be condensed to a couple hours if needed on deadline day.

Didn't he have to return from America? That would delay it significantly.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: divinewind on July 18, 2019, 04:51:04 PM
This has been in the pipeline a couple of days now, other clubs will have been alerted and will maybe match the price.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 18, 2019, 05:01:56 PM
This has been in the pipeline a couple of days now, other clubs will have been alerted and will maybe match the price.

Yeah...hopefully.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 18, 2019, 05:03:35 PM
This has been in the pipeline a couple of days now, other clubs will have been alerted and will maybe match the price.
do you really think other clubs won’t have already been suited by his agent? You really think that multi million pound clubs will find out information at the same time as joe bloggs from Tipton? Information is power and to think these clubs won’t already know appears naive at best to me.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: caravanc58 on July 18, 2019, 05:18:13 PM
starts from a blank canvas for me as I know nothing of the lad. couldn't care less what Cardiff fans think of him it's what he does for WBA. I'd never heard of Odemwingie and he turned out alright so I'll wait and see before building any gallows.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on July 18, 2019, 05:24:13 PM
let's just give the guy a chance eh?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: gerry m on July 18, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
let's just give the guy a chance eh?

A voice of reason mate!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggie82 on July 18, 2019, 07:29:33 PM
starts from a blank canvas for me as I know nothing of the lad. couldn't care less what Cardiff fans think of him it's what he does for WBA. I'd never heard of Odemwingie and he turned out alright so I'll wait and see before building any gallows.

Before signing for us Odemwingie had played for Lille & Lokomotiv Moscow (who signed him for £14m dollars) and played in the champions league. He also had 54 international caps for Nigeria, had played at the World Cup, four African cups of nations (voted into team of the tournament in 2010) and the Olympics. In 2006/07 he scored two goals against AC Milan at the San Siro. He was a top player of real pedigree, the real deal. Our decline commenced when he was shunted out to the left wing.

Zohore on the other hand has is a championship player with some assets (size, age and potential) and weaknesses with a fair few detractors (uninspiring goal record, inconsistent, questionable work rate), not least many of his own Cardiff fans. He will have my support like any new player but I'm not dancing on the ceiling.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggie38 on July 18, 2019, 07:46:14 PM
Yeah...hopefully.

Good god let's give the bloke a fair chance first.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: frazzle on July 18, 2019, 08:08:13 PM
Before signing for us Odemwingie had played for Lille & Lokomotiv Moscow (who signed him for £14m dollars) and played in the champions league. He also had 54 international caps for Nigeria, had played at the World Cup, four African cups of nations (voted into team of the tournament in 2010) and the Olympics. In 2006/07 he scored two goals against AC Milan at the San Siro. He was a top player of real pedigree, the real deal. Our decline commenced when he was shunted out to the left wing.

Zohore on the other hand has is a championship player with some assets (size, age and potential) and weaknesses with a fair few detractors (uninspiring goal record, inconsistent, questionable work rate), not least many of his own Cardiff fans. He will have my support like any new player but I'm not dancing on the ceiling.

Bizarre. When we signed Odemwingie we were in the premier league. Wake up.

This kind of attitude is to be expected from many on this forum these days sadly.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 18, 2019, 09:45:18 PM
Good god let's give the bloke a fair chance first.

I will. I just don't fancy this signing whatsoever.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: KN22 on July 18, 2019, 10:55:47 PM
Yeah...hopefully.

Give him a chance please!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: sammyg on July 19, 2019, 08:43:29 AM
Sky Sports reporting that he’s passed his medical and now agreed personal terms. Imagine it’ll be tied up today this one.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Dan87uk on July 19, 2019, 08:53:29 AM
From sky transfer zone:

WEST BROM SET TO CONFIRM ZOHORE

West Brom are expected to confirm the £8m signing of Cardiff striker Kenneth Zohore from later today, according to Sky sources.

Zohore has passed his medical at the Hawthorns and now agreed personal terms with the Baggies.

Slaven Bilic sees Zohore as a direct replacement for Salomon Rondon, who has this morning joined Chinese side Dalian Yifang for an undisclosed fee.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2019, 09:01:49 AM
Still need at least one if not two strikers.
Hope this lad does well.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 19, 2019, 09:05:25 AM
Yes we need another 1 at least. good luck at the Albion Kenneth. baggie mania your fellow countryman at the albion :)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: wba1968-Tim on July 19, 2019, 11:34:02 AM
I’m also not over excited by this signing but hoping that he completely proves me wrong. Another 2 strikers still required imo
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Dan87uk on July 19, 2019, 11:38:39 AM
I’m also not over excited by this signing but hoping that he completely proves me wrong. Another 2 strikers still required imo

only way we'll get in another is to move HRK on - good luck trying to drum up support for that sale with other clubs  :D
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Chipperfan on July 19, 2019, 12:15:27 PM
Officially signed. Just announced on Twitter.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 19, 2019, 12:15:39 PM
Signed and sealed. 4 year deal.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: tommcneill on July 19, 2019, 12:16:28 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/july/albion-sign-zohore/?fbclid=IwAR0Y_x8o-D8_Lv9oDIZoS4Wu67BCNI4goDIZWxraWAZaPfmhUzrLltx2Wq8

Officially signed

Welcome to the club Kenneth!

Looking forward to see what you bring
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 19, 2019, 12:20:16 PM
Hopefully goals, Tom.

Welcome, Kenneth
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Mister AT on July 19, 2019, 12:30:14 PM
Welcome bigman.

Hopefully spend your best years here.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: don1thedon on July 19, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
Welcome Kenneth, looking forward to seeing you bang a few in for the Baggies! COYB
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: tuamigos on July 19, 2019, 12:39:19 PM
Welcome Kenneth, prove the doubters wrong
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Oldbury24 on July 19, 2019, 12:40:16 PM
Before signing for us Odemwingie had played for Lille & Lokomotiv Moscow (who signed him for £14m dollars) and played in the champions league. He also had 54 international caps for Nigeria, had played at the World Cup, four African cups of nations (voted into team of the tournament in 2010) and the Olympics. In 2006/07 he scored two goals against AC Milan at the San Siro. He was a top player of real pedigree, the real deal. Our decline commenced when he was shunted out to the left wing.

Zohore on the other hand has is a championship player with some assets (size, age and potential) and weaknesses with a fair few detractors (uninspiring goal record, inconsistent, questionable work rate), not least many of his own Cardiff fans. He will have my support like any new player but I'm not dancing on the ceiling.

Coming to a Championship Club  This is the table we are now eating at.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 19, 2019, 12:44:02 PM
Our new Number 9......


Welcome to the Club Kenneth :)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Atomic on July 19, 2019, 12:44:38 PM
Welcome Ken. Go get 'em son.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 19, 2019, 12:48:54 PM
It's not an inspiring signing, but he has unfulfilled potential. If he can realise it, then it's an astute bit of business.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: mulliganstired on July 19, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
I'm glad we have a solid, experienced CF to replace Rondon, let's see if Bilic can get an extra gear out of him where Colin maybe couldn't.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: koren on July 19, 2019, 12:54:53 PM
Welcome Kennth.
So we have a target man now, one more goalscorer is needed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggies_24 on July 19, 2019, 12:59:49 PM
Think this could be a good signing if he’s been bought in as a 2nd striker type and we get a prolific goal scorer next to him (as Slav has said he wants to play with 2 up top I hope this is the case) if we are relying on him as our main goal scorer our goals for column is going to take a hit next year.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: AlbionFan on July 19, 2019, 01:10:55 PM
Welcome aboard the good ship Albion.

We have had many great players that have worn the number 9 shirt for us over the years and I hope you join that illustrious group.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Pie on July 19, 2019, 01:12:02 PM
Welcome to the Baggies Kenneth, hope you bring that form that helped win promotion for Cardiff two years ago. Hopefully Bilic can coach any weaknesses out of him and he can realise his potential a bit more.

Hopefully another strike partner for you will also be on the way.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: divinewind on July 19, 2019, 01:34:09 PM
Welcome Kennth.
So we have a target man now, one more goal scorer is needed.

I would like to see two more, in this division you can't have enough.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Albionic on July 19, 2019, 01:36:21 PM
Vydra alongside him?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: kanu on July 19, 2019, 01:57:17 PM
Very, very good signing. Yes he’s gone off the boil lately but he’s been crying out to be played in an attacking formation with a supporting striker. He’ll get that at Albion under Bilic. I am confident he’ll get more open play goals than JRod, much more to his game and he’s quicker and more skilful. On top of that only 25, this guy will excite, great signing.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: The Tank on July 19, 2019, 02:51:00 PM
What is his goals per game ratio ?

I'll ask him.  What's the frequency, kenneth ?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: alex1 on July 19, 2019, 03:12:08 PM
I would like to see two more, in this division you can't have enough.
I'd rather have one good natural goalscorer next to him, than 2 run-of-the mill types. The more you buy, the less quality you'll get, given we only have so much in our budget. 
I'm hoping someone like Neal Maupay is still a possibility.
Otherwise, best of luck to Ken, and maybe he can contribute a fair few goals himself.
 
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: BalisPen on July 19, 2019, 04:30:48 PM
What is his goals per game ratio ?

I'll ask him.  What's the frequency, kenneth ?

It's not bad, but if it's a straight £8m upfront then it's the end of the world as know it.

Good Luck Kenny. Bang em in son.

Anybody have any insider info about the actual fee?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: mateinone on July 19, 2019, 04:35:57 PM
Not a super inspiring signing, would have preferred if we could have kept JRod, but looks "okay" and can't expect Premier quality in the Championship I guess.
Seems to strongly favour his left foot and doesn't seem to be a big presence in the air for a taller striker, but hopefully Bilic can get the best out of him.
Considering where we are as a club this is a reasonably good signing and in an area we need some serious coverage.
I would say at a minimum we need 1 more quality striker (how I wish we had kept signed Gayle), because if he goes down at all, god help us.
I did like he seemed comfortable taking shots outside the box I have to say.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: wba_1996 on July 19, 2019, 04:55:09 PM
Happy with the age profile, happy it's a permanent. Slightly underwhelmed with the quality but it's where we're at now - I've been calling for us to rebuild the squad for years, we've left it until we were forced to and we just can't attract the same level of talent that we could have before.

I think he's comfortably better than HRK but not quite in the Gayle/JRod bracket. Fee and squad number suggest he will be our main striker so we need decent alternative options. I think we need 2 more in, someone like Vydra and then a youngster on loan from the top 6.

We also need to be scrapping the 442 rubbish. Doesn't suit the squad and almost obsolete in the modern game. Get 2 wingers in support of Zohore and Krovinovic pulling the strings.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: StourBaggie on July 19, 2019, 05:12:17 PM
I agree that it seems he will be our no.1 striker and am fairly happy with the signing. Never one to judge a player I have barely (if ever) seen play before he plays for us and if Bilic likes him then I'm happy to take his word. I do feel that we're more likely to play 1 up top with Krovinovic behind and two wingers.

Vydra alongside him?

Happy with the age profile, happy it's a permanent. Slightly underwhelmed with the quality but it's where we're at now - I've been calling for us to rebuild the squad for years, we've left it until we were forced to and we just can't attract the same level of talent that we could have before.

I think he's comfortably better than HRK but not quite in the Gayle/JRod bracket. Fee and squad number suggest he will be our main striker so we need decent alternative options. I think we need 2 more in, someone like Vydra and then a youngster on loan from the top 6.

We also need to be scrapping the 442 rubbish. Doesn't suit the squad and almost obsolete in the modern game. Get 2 wingers in support of Zohore and Krovinovic pulling the strings.

If we can't get Vydra (who I like and felt he never really got a chance when he was here), would anyone be interested in Nakhi Wells? Read an article which suggested he was perhaps more likely than Vydra to leave Burnley and has a good record at this level, albeit he is a couple of years older than Vydra.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: wardy65 on July 19, 2019, 05:14:55 PM
What is his goals per game ratio ?

I'll ask him.  What's the frequency, kenneth ?
Great little REM link Tank, loving it.

Welcome Kenneth! Few bitter Bluebirds about, but don't suppose I'd be too happy if he'd got his bag packed as soon as another club in the same division, showed an interest.  Another striker or two, still needed, but decent signing imo.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Atomic on July 19, 2019, 05:20:32 PM
If I here this "whats the frequency" thing once more I'm going to hunt someone down and subject them to a horrible death.  8)

STOP IT!


(FAO police, I won't really kill anyone  ;))
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: liverbaggie on July 19, 2019, 06:34:47 PM
It’s better than de ye ken John peel ay it
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 19, 2019, 06:50:16 PM
Welcome Kenneth! Looking forward to seeing you in the stripes!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on July 19, 2019, 06:51:16 PM
Welcome to the Albion!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: SmethDan on July 19, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
It's not bad, but if it's a straight £8m upfront then it's the end of the world as know it.

Good Luck Kenny. Bang em in son.

Anybody have any insider info about the actual fee?

Unsure of source reliability but I've read elsewhere the actual fee's in the region of £2mill-2.5mill with the rest made up of add ons relating to goals and promotion etc. Don't shoot the messenger if this turns out to be incorrect though.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 19, 2019, 07:01:42 PM
Why worry about the fee?
He is here and that is the main thing.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: SmethDan on July 19, 2019, 07:04:46 PM
Why worry about the fee?
He is here and that is the main thing.

Hmmm, because it impacts directly on the budget that's available for other players?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on July 19, 2019, 07:08:45 PM
Glad to have a new player through the door, even if I don't love the signing. Was starting to get desperate.

We have to hope he can thrive in a more progressive team, as there are a lot of players out there who just click at certain clubs.

Hard to work out my feelings overall.

On the fee, it could be structured so the up front payment is very small, and the add ons are all about success. That makes it easier to get in board with. I still look at this deal as over paying though. If we have paid, say 4 million up front, that is still a decent chunk of a fee for this division. Goals and promotion may be the add ons, but if one is appearances, he could easily be very average and make a number of appearances (HRK). He had 1 year left on his deal at Cardiff, and so it just feels a bit expensive.

The reports about him paint a picture of a slightly injury prone inigma. A player who can dominate a match and put in the performance of a premier league class striker, but who generally flatters to deceive. I think Dowling and co are looking at the positives and thinking he could perform more often in an attacking team.

If he is a second striker to a more prolific player who we sign later in the window, then his goalscoring record actually looks ok. Your second forward only really needs 10 goals. It seems he can play with a strike partner and with wide forwards so that is 2 options. He just can't play as a lone forward with a flat midfield.

Fingers crossed a few more follow now.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on July 19, 2019, 07:12:54 PM
Hmmm, because it impacts directly on the budget that's available for other players?

Amen to that Dan. As fans, we should take an active interest in what OUR club spends. If we over spend it could put the long term future of the club in jeopardy, and if we blow the majority of our budget on 1 player then we should be asking questions about our strategy.

I think a lot of fans would like their fellow supporters to be passive observers, but this is our club and when the big clubs sail off into the European super league shaped distance, we will be what is left.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: BalisPen on July 19, 2019, 07:22:20 PM
Unsure of source reliability but I've read elsewhere the actual fee's in the region of £2mill-2.5mill with the rest made up of add ons relating to goals and promotion etc. Don't shoot the messenger if this turns out to be incorrect though.

I hope you are right.

I read we got him because he would not extend his contract so maybe that is why we got him cheap.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2019, 08:33:28 PM
Reminds me of Ish Miller. Should be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on July 19, 2019, 09:00:24 PM
Reminds me of Ish Miller. Should be a decent signing.

Strangely enough, I keep getting Ishmael Miller flashbacks as well. We just didn't spend 8 mil on him 😂
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: NathWBA on July 19, 2019, 09:18:37 PM
Reminds me of Ish Miller. Should be a decent signing.
my thoughts exactly when I saw his highlights, pacey, powerful, maybe not a natural finisher and predominantly left footed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: 17GD on July 19, 2019, 10:17:23 PM
Welcome to the club!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 20, 2019, 08:06:24 AM
Can't help but think a quality strike partner is needed, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gerry m on July 20, 2019, 09:00:51 AM
Welcome to the Albion and good luck.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Marcus on July 20, 2019, 10:05:50 AM
Can't help but think a quality strike partner is needed, any suggestions?

Agreed. Feels like one piece of the puzzle, but not the final piece.  I'd like to think we are looking at a Gayle-esque type but not sure who our budget could run to?

I wouldn't be totally adverse, in this instance, to signing a more experienced player on a short term deal. Maybe someone on the downward slope of their career, but who could still rattle them in at this level. Would also help in developing Zohore further, as well as our younger forwards. No idea who though.

However, good luck to to our new number 9 and welcome aboard
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Atomic on July 20, 2019, 10:57:17 AM
My bold prediction on this one. Zohore will get twenty goals for us next season, injuries permitting.

Looking at the type of striker he is, I can see why it hasn't worked for him in the Premier League yet. A lot of his goals come off the back of poor individual defending which you don't get so much in the Premier League especially when you're playing for a team like Cardiff.

At Championship level, playing for Albion I'd back Zohore to get twenty goals. He's got pace about him and power but unlike Oli Burke for instance, Zohore seems to know how to utilise those assets. He is composed in front of goal, can finish off either foot and anywhere around the penalty area he is dangerous on his left foot he has a serious weapon there. He also gets on the end of crosses and scores those six yard box goals which someone like JRod didn't do nearly enough of. Gayle did.

As Bilic said Zohore seems to have a bit of everything and I can definitely see him being a big hit at the Hawthorns, this can be a very good signing.

Looking at his interview he seems very laid back but gives me the impression he one of those players that needs an arm round him and a head coach to believe in him. Bilic should be more much of a fit for someone ike Zohore than someone like Warnock was.

Mark my words - we needed a 20 goal striker -we've signed one.

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on July 20, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
I 10000%hope you are right, i'm not convinced personally but he has my full backing.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggieboyfred on July 21, 2019, 01:18:26 PM
not necessarily a striker I would have thought about and 8m is a lot of dough , if its structured through goal bonus, appearances then all well and good, what I have seen of him he looks to have the necessary tools for a strikers role , finishing ? but as always we welcome him to the club and hope that he can join a long line of albion  no 9 heroes.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 21, 2019, 01:25:17 PM
Anyone got any feedback from his 30 minutes cameo yesterday?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 21, 2019, 04:29:46 PM
not necessarily a striker I would have thought about and 8m is a lot of dough , if its structured through goal bonus, appearances then all well and good, what I have seen of him he looks to have the necessary tools for a strikers role , finishing ? but as always we welcome him to the club and hope that he can join a long line of albion  no 9 heroes.

I've heard it could be as low as £2m to £2.5m down, with a lot of the deal dependent on achievement - his and the teams.

He was in the last year of his Cardiff deal, and supposedly wasn't 100% happy there.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on July 30, 2019, 09:56:48 PM
Interesting to note how Cardiff are replacing Zohore.

£5.5 million being spent on Robert Glatzel from Bundesliga 2 side Heidenheim.

13 goals last season in the German equivilant of the championship, and with previous tallies of 15 goals and 12 goals in previous seasons (albeit in their league 1).

Zohore last scored 12 goals 3 years ago in his only double figures goalscoring season.

Now goals aren't everything and a player like Zohore brings different attributes, but I just wanted to post the comparison to back up what I said previously. I think paying £8 million for him was probably a wee bit too much when compared to what we could have got on the continent - ie - a player with a slightly better record for 2.5 million cheaper.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Dan on July 30, 2019, 11:01:42 PM
Interesting to note how Cardiff are replacing Zohore.

£5.5 million being spent on Robert Glatzel from Bundesliga 2 side Heidenheim.

13 goals last season in the German equivilant of the championship, and with previous tallies of 15 goals and 12 goals in previous seasons (albeit in their league 1).

Zohore last scored 12 goals 3 years ago in his only double figures goalscoring season.

Now goals aren't everything and a player like Zohore brings different attributes, but I just wanted to post the comparison to back up what I said previously. I think paying £8 million for him was probably a wee bit too much when compared to what we could have got on the continent - ie - a player with a slightly better record for 2.5 million cheaper.

I'm not sure how well Bundesliga 2 stats translate really, Hull and Burnley have both tried buying top scorers from that division and they've both flopped massively - Glatzel scored 4 in 29 the season before last too. I don't think Zohore is good value but I don't think paying 5.5m for this Glatzel seems particularly good value either.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on July 30, 2019, 11:51:20 PM
I'm not sure how well Bundesliga 2 stats translate really, Hull and Burnley have both tried buying top scorers from that division and they've both flopped massively - Glatzel scored 4 in 29 the season before last too. I don't think Zohore is good value but I don't think paying 5.5m for this Glatzel seems particularly good value either.

Oh I don’t necessarily think it’s a brilliant deal myself, but his goal scoring record is similar to Zohore’s and they have paid 2.5 mil less. The point was more about the difference in fees at home and abroad, and why I have the view that we have over paid in this case.

As for the Hennings and Proschwitz flops, it could be indicative of the Championship being tougher or a step up on Bundesliga 2, or it could be two cases of players failing to adapt. Interesting to see if Glatzel flops or not. My own preference is to look at Ligue 2 rather than 2 Bundesliga.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on July 31, 2019, 12:41:33 AM
It’s only going to get worse if we sign Ajeti. I’ve spelt it Ajati near enough every time I have written it.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggie96 on August 03, 2019, 12:07:26 AM
Really think this guy could be key for us. People seem to be underestimating him as he only got one last season but he had an injury. Season before that Cardiff wanted £30 mill, genuinely think Zohore could be our best signing. Obviously not as clinical as Gayle but think his all round play will be better and I also think we will create more chances this season. The midfield is so much more balanced, especially when the new winger comes in ;)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: geoff on August 03, 2019, 04:56:00 PM
some will love this others want  :D

https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-whelan-claims-new-west-brom-signing-upgrade-on-international-ace-sold-this-summer/

EXCLUSIVE

Noel Whelan has compared new West Brom striker Kenneth Zohore to former Baggies forward Salomon Rondon after his arrival from Cardiff City this summer.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 03, 2019, 04:57:30 PM
Be nice if the big man can get a goal and get the pressure off himself early. We are desperately short up top
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: WBArgo on August 03, 2019, 08:11:26 PM
Thought he got better as the game went on.

Some of his earlier touches were ugly but eventually got involved properly and held it up well...as seen with the difference in possession when he came off for Burke.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 03, 2019, 09:39:10 PM
The time he showed his strength was when we cleared the ball and he had the chance to run after it and use his size against the Forest defence. Clearly not a back to goal type.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on August 03, 2019, 10:29:53 PM
He didn’t do a lot, but we seemed to miss him hen he went off as 5ey started to control the game. He can se4e a purpose in this team as long as he is partnered with a good winger or a good goal scorer,
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: wba_1996 on August 03, 2019, 11:22:41 PM
The one signing I really wasn't sure about, probably due to the price tag.

Looks like he's got a bit of everything. Strength, good pace, can hold it up and bring others into play. Just didn't seem to put himself about as much, and that's not necessarily a negative thing as there are very good strikers who don't go sprinting all over the place all game.

Need to see him get a few chances and we'll see how clinical he is.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 04, 2019, 03:14:09 AM
I think he's a striker low on confidence. I think Bilic can get this kid firing. I've watched his highlights and while you can't read to much into limited viewing, what I can say is that he undoubtedly has ability. He's scored some good goals. His confidence was likely to have taken a knock in a Colin side so maybe he just needs everyone's favourite Croatian apart from Goran of course, to get him to believe in himself.

That's what I saw today...a team that had belief and confidence even when going behind. We're going to pi55 this league this year lads. This is Lai's best chance at getting his money back. If he f#@*s this up, his investment has failed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 04, 2019, 10:57:25 PM
These things happen.
Nothing is perfect
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on August 04, 2019, 11:51:31 PM
The one signing I really wasn't sure about, probably due to the price tag.

Looks like he's got a bit of everything. Strength, good pace, can hold it up and bring others into play. Just didn't seem to put himself about as much, and that's not necessarily a negative thing as there are very good strikers who don't go sprinting all over the place all game.

Need to see him get a few chances and we'll see how clinical he is.
Not knocking him yet! One game isn't enough to judge him, but I didn't see any of the things you have mentioned perhaps i was at a different game to you.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 05, 2019, 06:03:14 AM
The one signing I really wasn't sure about, probably due to the price tag.

Looks like he's got a bit of everything. Strength, good pace, can hold it up and bring others into play. Just didn't seem to put himself about as much, and that's not necessarily a negative thing as there are very good strikers who don't go sprinting all over the place all game.

Need to see him get a few chances and we'll see how clinical he is.
Very fair assessment, but he will need to be on the mark early on in order to satisfy some of our more fickle supporters.
I fear he will be compared to Gayle, and Gayle he is not.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2019, 06:40:15 AM
We missed him when he went off we lost an out ball when we were under pressure. I think he is going to be useful.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 05, 2019, 07:41:24 AM
We missed him when he went off we lost an out ball when we were under pressure. I think he is going to be useful.

Correct nothing stuck and we had no real outlet. I even thought to myself wow even HRK offers more than what Burke is
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: lewisant on August 05, 2019, 08:59:44 AM
He grew into the game i think. First half he held it up a bit but the ball was bouncing off him a bit. Towards the end of the first half up to when he went off he was much improved.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Mister AT on August 05, 2019, 09:19:49 AM
He strikes me as the type of player who will look a totally different player once he has a run of games and grabs a goal.

As others have said, I thought once he came off we invited a lot of pressure on ourselves as we had no outlet. Burke was about as useful as Leko was up top against Villa in the play offs.

Just highlights how important it is we bring in another striker this week.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 05, 2019, 09:24:33 AM
We missed him when he went off we lost an out ball when we were under pressure. I think he is going to be useful.

Would agree with that, he certainly offers a presence up there. Hopefully he will get a first goal for us at the weekend and the confidence will start to flow, he certainly looks a handful despite some iffy touches.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TiptonThrostle on August 05, 2019, 09:33:40 AM
didnt think he was great to be honest initially, but then once he came off i then noticed the difference and the work he did off the ball and drag defenders with him where as burke isnt a natural striker.

i think he is a big confidence player but hopefully he can come good.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Dexy on August 05, 2019, 09:35:03 AM
There's a bit of Marc Fortune about him , suspect he won't score loads but will bring others into the game and chip in with a few himself.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2019, 10:51:26 AM
His touch and forward runs were horrendous Saturday imo. Most of the time he had the ball he seemed to lose it ... May work better in a 2?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on August 05, 2019, 04:00:49 PM
His touch and forward runs were horrendous Saturday imo. Most of the time he had the ball he seemed to lose it ... May work better in a 2?
Agree with this mate I was at the game and watched him for about 20 mins he showed nothing. When i got back to the pub in west bromwich the first thing the lads said to me was what the #$@@ have we bought up front again? As I said in a previous post though, was i can't judge him on one performance so let's see what happens. Oh and this doesn't make me fickle it's just my observations.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: seteefeet on August 05, 2019, 04:22:42 PM
His touch and forward runs were horrendous Saturday imo. Most of the time he had the ball he seemed to lose it ... May work better in a 2?
Definitely needs someone with him, not a loan striker target man, despite his size. He's better going at defenders than with his back to goal, could work well with Gayle (or someone similar)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 05, 2019, 04:27:29 PM
Not great debut and didn’t  score preseason.

His touch was off too, but it’s one game. He didn’t have a chance, and grabham for forest is decent but he was quiet too so need to give him time
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: StourBaggie on August 05, 2019, 04:41:06 PM
I don't think he had a bad game by any stretch. Held the ball up well and it's notable that we looked much better going forward when he was on the field, despite him not seeing a great deal of the ball. Suggests to me that he was effective in pulling players out of position to create space for others, which is just as useful if you have someone else to put the ball in the net.

Additionally, he would have had a great chance to score if Edwards had taken the (IMO more sensible) option to square to him after he'd cut in from the wing. Zohore was in the perfect spot to knock it in and if he had we might be having a different conversation about him now.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 05:14:13 PM
During his 63 minutes on the field, he received 18 passes:

Defensive Third 1 (0)* 0.00%
Middle Third 8 (5)* 62.50%
Attacking Third 7 (4)* 57.14%
Penalty Area 2 (1)* 50.00%
Total 18 (13)* 72.22%

*The figure in brackets are passes that he successfully took.

He made 16 passes 9 of which were successful, 56.2% completion rate.

Comparing him to Forests Lewis Grabban

During his 90 minutes on the field, he received 13 passes:

Defensive Third 3 (2) 66.66%
Middle Third 5 (5) 100%
Attacking Third 3 (2) 66.66%
Penalty Area 1 (0) 0.00%
Total 12 (10) 83.33%

He made 11 passes 9 of which were successful, 81.81%% completion rate.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 05:22:00 PM
All the anecdotal evidence coming out of Cardiff told us he wasn't a hold up man. He's an Ish Miller type striker.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: divinewind on August 05, 2019, 05:24:36 PM
Only one game and already the Piranah Fish are after him.
Bloody shameful.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 05:48:02 PM
Overall, I think his states hold up against Grabben, who had 30% more pitch time than him and in a home side that were chasing the game in the last 30 minutes or so.

Not at all unhappy with his debut outing

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: alex1 on August 05, 2019, 05:55:46 PM
He may be one of those forwards that needs a goal to build his confidence. Its far too early to be jumping to any conclusions.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: The Joust on August 05, 2019, 06:04:19 PM
Only one game and already the Piranah Fish are after him.
Bloody shameful.

So unless it’s positive feedback people can’t give an opinion?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on August 05, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
Only one game and already the Piranah Fish are after him.
Bloody shameful.
Shameful to have an opinion and to say what you observed? I haven't read one post where anyone is after him just saying what we think, and i hope he comes off i don't want or like to see any Albion player fail.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 05, 2019, 06:44:13 PM
As soon as he came off we lost control of the game. He had us further up the pitch with his physical presence.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 06:49:10 PM
As soon as he came off we lost control of the game. He had us further up the pitch with his physical presence.

You have a strong point, you only have to look at the attacking dashboard for confirmation of that. Although there were other factors to be fair.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 06:51:40 PM
You have a strong point, you only have to look at the attacking dashboard for confirmation of that. Although there were other factors to be fair.


Definitely there is a tendency to sit back on a slender lead away from home with 15 minutes left. Not as cut and dried as Zohore effective; Burke ineffective.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: elkiellis on August 05, 2019, 08:32:25 PM
Jurys going to be out for a few games yet,my intial impression is not great,passing and ball control poor a bit worried why Cardiff wanted to offload when in the same division,a couple of dingle fans have told me that apparently he was Cardiffs best player against them,so maybe Slaven can get the best out of him,heres hoping.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Westie on August 06, 2019, 09:30:33 PM
Didn’t Colin call him a lazy buggr? Let’s hope Mr Bilic can get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: lewisant on August 11, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
It was a good goal line clearance to stop him getting off the mark yesterday. He hit it with conviction and cleanly. Lets let the lad have a bit of time before we judge him, yesterday was a fine margin between him being off the mark and not.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: liverbaggie on August 11, 2019, 02:35:49 PM
I think he was looking for space but not running into it,I disagree that he hit it cleanly from memory he seemed of balance but he should have scored,I was in the corner of Smethwick/ halforfs lane corner so I had a good view also who was behind him one of our players?
He's trying so let's see
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: lewisant on August 11, 2019, 02:48:21 PM
I think he was looking for space but not running into it,I disagree that he hit it cleanly from memory he seemed of balance but he should have scored,I was in the corner of Smethwick/ halforfs lane corner so I had a good view also who was behind him one of our players?
He's trying so let's see

I've seen it on TV a few times, looked a clean hit to me to be fair.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggie82 on August 11, 2019, 02:51:13 PM
I've seen it on TV a few times, looked a clean hit to me to be fair.

It was a sitter hit straight at the defender stood on the line. Had all the time in the World to do what he wanted with it and should have buried it.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: KYA on August 11, 2019, 04:23:08 PM
Seeing as he has been subbed twice around the hour mark I think he still as a way to go for fitness I will give him the benefit of the doubt until he is 100% match fit that probably goes for the four lads we signed on deadline day.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: SmethDan on August 11, 2019, 05:03:56 PM
It was a sitter hit straight at the defender stood on the line. Had all the time in the World to do what he wanted with it and should have buried it.

I thought he should have scored too but in fairness he didn't hit it straight at the defender.

He placed it to the left of the defender and into the centre of the goal.

The keeper just about recovered his position and saved it with his foot.

Hits it harder and he scores though.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: boinging_along on August 11, 2019, 05:54:46 PM
He should lift it a bit there, with players on the line that's what you do.  You make it a lot tougher for them to stick out a leg.

I think we need to give him some time.  He'll be absolutely frustrated he didn't tuck that away. 

At least he hit the target HRK would have tripped over the ball and given a freekick away.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: wbarenno on August 11, 2019, 06:09:57 PM
No debate no excuses he should have scored simple as really

Got to give him time though , we’re only 2 games in
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on August 11, 2019, 06:11:22 PM
He should lift it a bit there, with players on the line that's what you do.  You make it a lot tougher for them to stick out a leg.

I think we need to give him some time.  He'll be absolutely frustrated he didn't tuck that away. 

At least he hit the target HRK would have tripped over the ball and given a freekick away.
Got a crystal ball have you? How could you possibly know what HRK would have done? He was way better than Zohore when he came on. Get off his back.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 11, 2019, 06:59:01 PM
Think he will do well with Austin alongside. Looks a little short on fitness but give it a few games and I can see him making an impact.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: boinging_along on August 11, 2019, 07:16:11 PM
Got a crystal ball have you? How could you possibly know what HRK would have done? He was way better than Zohore when he came on. Get off his back.

"Way better"?  Not at all.  It was HRK who gave the ball away INCREDIBLY cheaply that turned over possession for their goal.  He literally misplaced a 5 yard pass into space. 

You're right though, I don't know what he would do.   But a) he never got into that position while he was on the pitch and b) you don't know what he would have done either.

Either way, I'd rather Zohore played ahead of HRK

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TLMS17 on August 11, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
Early days yet, not seen a replay of the miss, but did look like he should score it

Prefer him over HRK - but neither are going to replace the goals of J-Rod or Gayle separately or combined. In all honesty be surprised if either gets to double digits, but would love both to prove me wrong

As I say still think its early in his albion career and maybe playing in a front 2 could help him, though if thats the option not sure who makes way for someone like Austin if he comes in to play alongside
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: seteefeet on August 11, 2019, 08:09:08 PM
Got a crystal ball have you? How could you possibly know what HRK would have done? He was way better than Zohore when he came on. Get off his back.
Zohore has played a couple of games, Kanu has played dozens and is cack. Crystal ball may say Kenneth is poor, history says Kanu is.
And he wasn't way better be was equally poor.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on August 11, 2019, 08:32:28 PM
"Way better"?  Not at all.  It was HRK who gave the ball away INCREDIBLY cheaply that turned over possession for their goal.  He literally misplaced a 5 yard pass into space. 

You're right though, I don't know what he would do.   But a) he never got into that position while he was on the pitch and b) you don't know what he would have done either.

Either way, I'd rather Zohore played ahead of HRK
He gave a five  yard pass away just outside Millwall's 18 yard box! So it was his fault no other Albion player stopped the ball going all the way down the other end if the pitch? What I have seen of Zohore so far i would sooner have  Brown no idea!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggie-Dave on August 11, 2019, 08:59:37 PM
absolute disgrace from a so called fan
Not really. We’ve just spent 8 million quid on this bloke. Only two games but he really is going to have to improve to justify his fee.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: KYA on August 11, 2019, 09:11:23 PM
absolute disgrace from a so called fan
Agreed if this board had upticks I'm sure you would have a few I must admit I despair of the modern fan I see Dawson has come in for a lot of stick all these fans should be scouts being able to spot how could a player is from 90 minutes of football they could save their clubs a fortune.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on August 11, 2019, 09:41:02 PM
Zohore has played a couple of games, Kanu has played dozens and is cack. Crystal ball may say Kenneth is poor, history says Kanu is.
And he wasn't way better be was equally poor.
Your opinion he was poor my opinion he wasn't and everyone else sitting around me in the ground where of the same opinion HRK was better.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Westie on August 11, 2019, 10:34:28 PM
I’m afraid that Zohore will fall into the donkey category. There’s no chance he’ll score enough goals to justify having him in the team. Apart from missing a sitter, his laziness cost us and Krovinovich a goal. We really would be better off with Brunty at centre forward.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: boinging_along on August 11, 2019, 11:09:27 PM
He gave a five  yard pass away just outside Millwall's 18 yard box! So it was his fault no other Albion player stopped the ball going all the way down the other end if the pitch? What I have seen of Zohore so far i would sooner have  Brown no idea!

I didn't say he was at fault for the goal.  I said he gave the ball away incredibly cheaply that led to the turnover for the goal.  I would expect a pub player to make that pass 99 times out of 100.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: NathWBA on August 11, 2019, 11:11:38 PM
absolute disgrace from a so called fan
hardly, it’s a paying customer voicing an opinion with a bit of humour, there was a similar chant about bobby Zamora years ago. Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to sit a celebrate mediocrity, on initial showing the guy hasn’t justified anywhere near his fee and paying customers have every right to voice an opinion on it, if you paid for a meal and you’re waiter was rubbish you’d tell the manager, why is football different to any other industry that you must be positive about your team 100% of the time?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 12, 2019, 05:32:00 AM
I think the point is, give players a chance before slating them.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: mikehy on August 12, 2019, 06:50:33 AM
I think the point is, give players a chance before slating them.
This is exactly the point. He has played 2 hours of competive football for us and deserves to be given some more time before being slated and even then if he is not up to it there is no need to make childish songs up about him. Not every new signing hits the ground running and in my opinion he is being asked to play a role as a lone striker (target man) which clearly does not suit his style of play.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: geoff on August 12, 2019, 07:05:54 AM
Come on guys give the bloke a chance.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: leeiswba on August 12, 2019, 07:30:25 AM
Jesus, never seen this much criticism and harshness after just two games about a player.

Looks like a few have made their mind up already which is a bit of a shame
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Mister AT on August 12, 2019, 08:45:07 AM
I'm reserving judgement until he's up to speed with his teammates and up to speed fitness wise.

He hasn't played too much football over the last year and hasn't had a solid run of games.

There are some bits where he has looked useful, and other times he hasn't looked as sharp. Granted on Saturday he should have stuck that chance away. We looked better with him on the pitch than off it against Forest.

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: maximus on August 12, 2019, 09:25:51 AM
Should have buried that open goal chance, His job every day every week is to just finish, Get you're shooting right. How in the world strikers these days look sunday league level type finishers is abysmal. Not a slant on him as Luke Moore was atrocious, Just baffles me that they do this job every day and still mess up the basics.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TiptonThrostle on August 12, 2019, 09:46:49 AM
he is a very very average striker.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: johnny Cash on August 12, 2019, 10:01:27 AM
Jesus, never seen this much criticism and harshness after just two games about a player.

Looks like a few have made their mind up already which is a bit of a shame

Although its only two games here, he is a player who has been publicly questioned both last summer and last Christmas by his manager (at the time) for his application, effort and apparent inability to 'push' himself. 

I think that will always lead to questions earlier than you would expect for a player who had a clean slate. Its also in my opinion why I think it was a strange signing.

Warnock did add that he was a 'good lad' and that he didn't think he was doing it on purpose. That could have been an attempt to protect the asset and/or it could genuinely be true.

My concern is that if he is incredibly laid back and languid, those type of traits don't really seem to change as they are quite ingrained in a personality.




Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 12, 2019, 12:46:20 PM
Has he impressed me so far this season? No, but he hasn't been awful.

I would say the jury is still out. He wasn't really in the game on Saturday. If we hit September / October time and he's still being ineffective, then it's time to question it.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Oldbury24 on August 12, 2019, 12:46:26 PM
I know that YouTube clips can be misleading but have a look.  At some point for Cardiff in this division he has destroyed defenders with pace and power and been able to apply a cool finish.   He then doesn't play for best part of a year, loses his match fitness and has his confidence shot by a year playing against PL defenders in a division that some strikers are just not able to make the step up to (ask a certain Mr Gayle).  If we can find the player in there that is in those clips, get him fit and confident then who knows.......don't think the £8 million price tag has helped either, do we actually know what we paid up front?  The vine suggested was that it was closer to £2 million upfront??

Lets just hope that those people who have already made up their mind about him don't voice their feelings at the ground! This is a player that COULD turn into a real player in this division, but will need support.   

 
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: tylerm on August 12, 2019, 12:47:31 PM
Should have buried that open goal chance, His job every day every week is to just finish, Get you're shooting right. How in the world strikers these days look sunday league level type finishers is abysmal. Not a slant on him as Luke Moore was atrocious, Just baffles me that they do this job every day and still mess up the basics.

I am not defending him as any striker should have buried that chance. However having a keeper and a defender on the line isn’t an open goal.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on August 12, 2019, 12:59:06 PM
He has been poor in the first 2 games but that is all it is is 2 games. The trouble he has is he is coming into a position previously held by Gayle and J-Rod
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: smethwickw on August 12, 2019, 01:13:29 PM
I think it was a bit of a strange signing too especially for the reported fee. His goalscoring record is very average. We definitely needed more of a target man in the squad. I'd have liked to see us go for someone like Jutkiewicz at Blues instead. Would have got him on the cheap and I honestly think he'll score more than Zohore will this season.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: miggybaggy on August 12, 2019, 01:26:18 PM
I am not defending him as any striker should have buried that chance. However having a keeper and a defender on the line isn’t an open goal.

Agree. Seen far worse misses than that. Hit it first time and kept it low and on target (although I'd have fancied my chances too)!  :D  Lets cut him some slack and see how he does when he reaches full match fitness.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: skyclad99 on August 12, 2019, 01:46:05 PM
He has been poor in the first 2 games but that is all it is is 2 games. The trouble he has is he is coming into a position previously held by Gayle and J-Rod

and many on here thought he was bobbins too......

I really am not sure how you can write him off after two games. So he missed one on Saturday, and it probably wont be his last either. He needs to work with the team and they all need to understand how each other play. I am quite sure that Slavan and his team will be working on it as we speak.   
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: SmethDan on August 12, 2019, 01:54:06 PM
I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do once we work out how to supply him. For all our possession over the grand total of two games this season we haven't given him much to feed off. I've seen the video of his goals at Cardiff mentioned above and there is a player in there. His skill set seems better suited to a counter attacking side and in truth he may well have shone had he been playing for Millwall on Saturday. Obviously we're looking to play higher up the pitch. Once our squad becomes fully integrated we should gain tempo and momentum, hit the front quicker while playing quick diagonals for him to run onto. Hopefully we'll see the best of him then.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 12, 2019, 01:55:27 PM
He hasn't done as bad as been made out.

I thought he was good at Forest and he was quieter on Saturday. He looks very much perfect foil for the likes of Edwards and Krov, enabling those players to play off him.

He will be disappointed to miss his chance on Saturday, but credit to the defender and keeper who got back to make it difficult.

Aside from that, we did not create anything for him of note.

He's two games into his Albion career - with our new reinforcements currently in the stands.

I'll reserve judgement so far.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 12, 2019, 02:07:40 PM
Give the guy 10 games minimum before you judge him. He's got talent.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TiptonThrostle on August 12, 2019, 03:08:45 PM
Give the guy 10 games minimum before you judge him. He's got talent.

some people are able to make an accurate decision after 2 games, others 10 and even more.

after 2 games i am confident that he is an average championship striker and would be amazed if he scores more than 10. thats not slagging him off before anyone says it, thats just my opinion of him and one that i am very confident with.

i hope he proves me wrong. lets see if he does.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: KYA on August 12, 2019, 04:04:38 PM
some people are able to make an accurate decision after 2 games, others 10 and even more.

after 2 games i am confident that he is an average championship striker and would be amazed if he scores more than 10. thats not slagging him off before anyone says it, thats just my opinion of him and one that i am very confident with.

i hope he proves me wrong. lets see if he does.
His track record says he is not a prolific scorer so I don't think we signed him on his goalscoring ability alone he must have other attributes that made us want him, as others have said give it 10 games when his fitness is up to speed before putting in the Luke Moore category.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gerry m on August 12, 2019, 04:06:29 PM
Not sure how anyone can judge a player on just 2 games. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TiptonThrostle on August 12, 2019, 04:28:15 PM
Not sure how anyone can judge a player on just 2 games. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do.

its quite simple really. you can easily assess a players touch, work rate, pace and may other attributes. hes not useless or anything like that but he is just an average championship striker and his goal record suggests that.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: SmethDan on August 12, 2019, 04:56:19 PM
Not sure how anyone can judge a player on just 2 games. Give the guy a chance to see what he can do.

In fairness my initial impressions of Kyle Bartley were garnered during our pre season friendly in Aberdeen. They've proved pretty accurate representations of his time with us thus far and it took less than ten minutes to come to those conclusions  ;D .
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 12, 2019, 05:00:27 PM
some people are able to make an accurate decision after 2 games, others 10 and even more.

after 2 games i am confident that he is an average championship striker and would be amazed if he scores more than 10. thats not slagging him off before anyone says it, thats just my opinion of him and one that i am very confident with.

i hope he proves me wrong. lets see if he does.

No they are not and all I can say is I'm glad the club do not employ you as a scout. 2 games is nowhere enough to judge a player.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on August 12, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
We're supposed to be on the same team here, give the guy a chance, it takes a while for some guys to settle to a new team, unfamiliar surroundings and whatever. It's a new start for a new regime - Rome wasn't built in a day - 2 games gone, 44 more to go, we're not going to win every game, we'll win some we shouldn't and vice versa, I'm feeling more positive about things for the first time in a while - c'mon yow baggies
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on August 12, 2019, 06:19:42 PM
No they are not and all I can say is I'm glad the club do not employ you as a scout. 2 games is nowhere enough to judge a player.
Yes they are! You can tell if a player as got it or not after one half. I haven't really seen anyone on here slag him unfairly it's just there opinions in what they have seen so far. I said Johnstone was no good after the first half of a friendly I'm still waiting to be proved wrong! But do i boo him at games? No like i would never boo anyone in a blue and white shirt.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 12, 2019, 07:02:14 PM
He hasn't done as bad as been made out.

I thought he was good at Forest and he was quieter on Saturday. He looks very much perfect foil for the likes of Edwards and Krov, enabling those players to play off him.

He will be disappointed to miss his chance on Saturday, but credit to the defender and keeper who got back to make it difficult.

Aside from that, we did not create anything for him of note.

He's two games into his Albion career - with our new reinforcements currently in the stands.

I'll reserve judgement so far.
Good post Liam, I agree with you
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 23, 2019, 10:29:00 PM
When are we sending out a search party?!

Anyone know of his whereabouts
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 24, 2019, 02:38:37 AM
If this guy is not good enough to get in our match day squad for the past few months, it isn’t likely he will cut it in the premier league. I think we might cut our losses now and reinvest.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gerry m on December 24, 2019, 09:24:15 AM
If this guy is not good enough to get in our match day squad for the past few months, it isn’t likely he will cut it in the premier league. I think we might cut our losses now and reinvest.

Think we will take a big hit on our £8m investment
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: johnny Cash on December 24, 2019, 09:47:21 AM
This is speculation and I might be doing the lad a disservice, but I’ve listened to a few different things with ex players recently and heard them speak about just how many ex pro’s, even very talented one, just aren’t that up for it.

They might not love football, like playing in the cold, wet, rain, even have any desire to play if they are less than 100% fit.

I think Zohore is likely one of those and you’ll never change him. The clubs dropped one here, four year contract too!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: skyclad99 on December 24, 2019, 09:58:03 AM
I though he was injured to be honest.

If not then it is quite worrying. When he has played he has looked to be a threat. I would like to see a fully fit Zohore given a run in the team first before I pass judgement. Some of us on here were quick to condemn both Charlie and HRK before they found their shooting boots.

Give the guy a chance before we order the taxi.

Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Standaman on December 24, 2019, 11:47:59 AM
This is the eternal issue of playing with a lone striker. Ideally you need 3 but if things are going well one or two of those strikers will get the vast bulk of the game time and the 3rd choice barely gets a kick. In this instance Austin and HRK are chopping up the minutes between them. Now if you subscribe to the widely held opinion that HRK is useless and the somewhat less popular view that Austin is well past his prime you may conclude that Zohore is less than useless.

Zohore might be less than useless but on the available evidence you simply cannot say. The only problem now is he has had half a season of inactivity (not playing is very bad for the form and general well being of footballers see Hegazi) and if he does get on the pitch he will look a little ring rusty and well that will confirm the view that he is worse than useless.

Football squads are a zero sum game for one player to exceed expectations in this case I think HRK is giving Bilic more than he might have hoped for then another player has to fail in relative terms
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 24, 2019, 12:50:13 PM
This is speculation and I might be doing the lad a disservice, but I’ve listened to a few different things with ex players recently and heard them speak about just how many ex pro’s, even very talented one, just aren’t that up for it.

They might not love football, like playing in the cold, wet, rain, even have any desire to play if they are less than 100% fit.

I think Zohore is likely one of those and you’ll never change him. The clubs dropped one here, four year contract too!

Don’t see it

We play (currently) with one up top,he’s not had a prolonged run in the team to judge him on,that’s because HRK fits the system and Austin has recently found a few goals.
The two mentioned that have found form,have possibly meant that a striker is less priority in January,and that we will look to recruit wide and defensive.
In a strange way I think zohore would be more productive than the other 2 in the prem,we would set up differently(IMO) and he would work the channels better.
Ultimately it will come down to Slav and if another team want to test our resolve....but for me there is no rush to move on a striker yet to have a prolonged 10 game run.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Albionic on December 24, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
Don’t see it

We play (currently) with one up top,he’s not had a prolonged run in the team to judge him on,that’s because HRK fits the system and Austin has recently found a few goals.
The two mentioned that have found form,have possibly meant that a striker is less priority in January,and that we will look to recruit wide and defensive.
In a strange way I think zohore would be more productive than the other 2 in the prem,we would set up differently(IMO) and he would work the channels better.
Ultimately it will come down to Slav and if another team want to test our resolve....but for me there is no rush to move on a striker yet to have a prolonged 10 game run.
100% agree with this, the chap has only had a couple of cameos, no basis for judgement yet,
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: KN22 on December 24, 2019, 11:03:47 PM
Think we will take a big hit on our £8m investment

The club has spent less than half of the 8m cost you quote in your post. Still strange that  he’s not even making the bench I must say.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 25, 2019, 01:56:25 AM
I assume he has been playing in the reserve games... does anyone know how he has performed?
I know its a different skill level and team set up but I would expect some sort of goal tally from him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 25, 2019, 02:02:00 AM
I assume he has been playing in the reserve games... does anyone know how he has performed?
I know its a different skill level and team set up but I would expect some sort of goal tally from him.
not really, got a couple a month or so ago, but nothing overall.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 25, 2019, 04:38:50 AM
Still strange that  he’s not even making the bench I must say.
I suppose if one of either HRK or Charlie starts, given current form, and the other is on the bench a second forward is probably surplus to requirements on the bench
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: johnny Cash on December 25, 2019, 11:00:20 AM
I suppose if one of either HRK or Charlie starts, given current form, and the other is on the bench a second forward is probably surplus to requirements on the bench

He is a relatively high profile signing with a relatively big fee. If Zohore was putting it in training and looking a player I’m certain they would find a place for him on the bench.

If he’s not injured he’s not rated.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: The Joust on December 26, 2019, 11:00:06 AM
Name the last player to wear our number 9 shirt and actually be a real goal threat...  ::) It’s cursed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Pureade1 on December 26, 2019, 05:05:51 PM
Quite simply the worst centre forward we have had since the days of evans and Quinn. Would be a waste of wages on a free transfer but the fact we have paid for him is extraordinary. Cardiff must have laughed their heads off when we put a bid in for him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: paulosull on December 26, 2019, 05:21:31 PM
Poor today and did nothing to warrant a place on bench back to 23s with A new striker urgently required
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2019, 06:41:51 PM
Got no bottle, took an accidental knock to the face and lost all interest afterwards.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggie38 on December 26, 2019, 07:41:34 PM
It's easy enough saying move him on nobody in the right mind would pay for him
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on December 26, 2019, 07:45:39 PM
Pretty much useless. Will be hard to move on
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggie38 on December 26, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
For all the price LD gets for our summer what was he thinking paying the reported fee for Zohore?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: tuamigos on December 26, 2019, 07:50:50 PM
I'd let him go for whatever we can get for him.
At least that will free up a wage for someone who actually contributes.
The bloke has the heart of a slug
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on December 26, 2019, 07:53:09 PM
Im sure Willock would Kate done a much better job. He was awful today
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: seteefeet on December 26, 2019, 08:12:21 PM
Olly Burke mark II “ give him a chance he’ll come good”. No, he, won’t! He really is as bad as he looks.  Write off, get someone in in January.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on December 26, 2019, 08:19:45 PM
Blimey, i'd forgot we had Oli Burke on the books still!  :-X
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: seteefeet on December 26, 2019, 08:29:06 PM
Blimey, i'd forgot we had Oli Burke on the books still!  :-X
Zohore is one to forget as well unfortunately
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on December 26, 2019, 08:30:29 PM
Zohore is one to forget as well unfortunately

Agreed, nearly £20m between the 2. If we got 5 back i'd be amazed.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: jim68 on December 26, 2019, 08:46:06 PM
Poor today and did nothing to warrant a place on bench back to 23s with A new striker urgently required
alarminly one with pace who can run
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Wbamitch on December 26, 2019, 08:57:20 PM
I actually thought he was better than Austin, moved a couple of times then went down and that was about it.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 26, 2019, 10:07:31 PM
He had minimal service tbf to Zohore today.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheBrom on December 27, 2019, 03:24:41 AM
Quite simply the worst centre forward we have had since the days of evans and Quinn. Would be a waste of wages on a free transfer but the fact we have paid for him is extraordinary. Cardiff must have laughed their heads off when we put a bid in for him.

Bit harsh that. No one turned up against Barnsley.

HRK and Austin didn't exactly cover themselves in glory either, give the guy a chance he's hardly played this season.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: skyclad99 on December 27, 2019, 06:03:51 AM
For all the price LD gets for our summer what was he thinking paying the reported fee for Zohore?

Do you know for a fact that LD was totally responsible?

He didn't do much yesterday, but neither did HRK and Austin. On another thread many are saying that collectively we were not at the races, so to condemn an Albion player for a 25 minute cameo with no meaningful service up front [for all three strikers] is a bit harsh.

We need to give the lad a chance.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 27, 2019, 06:14:28 AM
He was no worse, and yes no better, than Austin but as said elsewhere the service to him was pretty dire and Charlie really should have scored his one on one with their goalie first half
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggie38 on December 27, 2019, 08:12:45 AM
Do you know for a fact that LD was totally responsible?

He didn't do much yesterday, but neither did HRK and Austin. On another thread many are saying that collectively we were not at the races, so to condemn an Albion player for a 25 minute cameo with no meaningful service up front [for all three strikers] is a bit harsh.

We need to give the lad a chance.

Yes and I know Billic didn't want him I know that for a fact
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: skyclad99 on December 27, 2019, 08:23:33 AM
Yes and I know Billic didn't want him I know that for a fact

Fair enough - I do know that you have been privy to decent info in the past.

If that is the case then it will be interesting to see how we go forward on this. I still maintain that he needs to be given the opportunity though......
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 27, 2019, 08:47:49 AM
Fair enough - I do know that you have been privy to decent info in the past.

If that is the case then it will be interesting to see how we go forward on this. I still maintain that he needs to be given the opportunity though......
I have said similar....but yesterday he showed almost zero effort.
You would assume that a player in is position would at the very least show willing ?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: skyclad99 on December 27, 2019, 09:04:02 AM
I have said similar....but yesterday he showed almost zero effort.
You would assume that a player in is position would at the very least show willing ?

First game back for a few weeks so again, needs to get up to speed. We afforded the same time to Charlie and he has started to come good.

I would agree with you that he needs to show willing, but our service to the number 9 position for the past couple of games has been very poor
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Albionic on December 27, 2019, 09:04:31 AM
Do you know for a fact that LD was totally responsible?

He didn't do much yesterday, but neither did HRK and Austin. On another thread many are saying that collectively we were not at the races, so to condemn an Albion player for a 25 minute cameo with no meaningful service up front [for all three strikers] is a bit harsh.

We need to give the lad a chance.

Saved me having to type that, thank you
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2019, 09:23:09 AM
From the tv he looked ok to me. Austin did nothing and Kanu did the usual where he worked hard but often turns into trouble. I’d like to see more of Zohore as I’ve not seen him on the pitch enough to figure out if there is any potential in him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: caravanc58 on December 27, 2019, 10:36:19 AM
Don't get how he was in the squad considering he's hardly played for the reserves yet Willock has done good but nowhere to be seen. I'd have thought rotating the squad would've given Willock a chance.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: wbako on December 27, 2019, 10:40:24 AM
Look, I think Zohore has been an awful signing but don't get the criticism of him yesterday. From where I was stood, he gave his all and made some decent runs (something I have been critical of previously).
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: SmethDan on December 27, 2019, 11:09:44 AM
Seemed ok to me and I thought he should've been introduced earlier. Then again I was watching the game through Guinness goggles. To qualify that, the Guinness goggles didn't prevent me from seeing how largely ineffectual we were as a team yesterday.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 27, 2019, 03:09:11 PM
Look, I think Zohore has been an awful signing but don't get the criticism of him yesterday. From where I was stood, he gave his all and made some decent runs (something I have been critical of previously).
I think this shows how different people view stuff
Up until yesterday I was all for giving him a chance, imo yesterday’s performance was one of the most pathetic of any Albion player I have seen in the flesh
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggie82 on December 27, 2019, 03:44:46 PM
I think this shows how different people view stuff
Up until yesterday I was all for giving him a chance, imo yesterday’s performance was one of the most pathetic of any Albion player I have seen in the flesh

He only had 28 minutes in a team on the back foot and hasn’t played for months. Can we really read too much into yesterday? I was worried when we spent big on him given his patchy goal scoring record and he hasn’t done much, but he also hasn’t been involved for a while.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on December 27, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
Impossible to judge him on that performance as the team just were not with it, but his lack of game time or impact highlights why we shouldn't get carried away with Dowling's work in the summer. He got some things right, Bilic got others right and they both got some things very wrong.

Zohore at 7 mil looked bad at the time and looks worse now.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2019, 05:33:54 PM
Zohore as a signing simply hasn't worked out. Perhaps the best bet is for us to shift him or loan him and bring in some energy up front. Personally, I would as I think this season is too good a chance for us to miss out on through trying to rely on Austin and HRK up front for another half a season. I think another striker who can add a physical presence up front and even a another one who can finish (Gayle) would push us towards promotion.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 27, 2019, 05:39:04 PM
Impossible to judge him on that performance as the team just were not with it, but his lack of game time or impact highlights why we shouldn't get carried away with Dowling's work in the summer. He got some things right, Bilic got others right and they both got some things very wrong.

Zohore at 7 mil looked bad at the time and looks worse now.
Well thank god we didn’t pay that
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on December 27, 2019, 11:48:29 PM
Well thank god we didn’t pay that

At the time it was reported that the initial up front payment was £6 million with add ons to 7. I’ve seen nothing official to suggest it was much lower.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2019, 12:22:37 AM
At the time it was reported that the initial up front payment was £6 million with add ons to 7. I’ve seen nothing official to suggest it was much lower.

Same here.  I’ve seen £7m and €8.9m. Although the fee is “unofficial” publicly.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Adder on December 28, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
Sorry but the escalation in anti-Zohore feeling based on his opportunities on boxing day is out of proportion.

I'm pretty sure there's a player there which is why we signed him... but he definitely needs to put himself about a bit more and make more of what could be very limited opportunities in the team. In that formation though without any crosses going in and little pace in the team I'd definitely start him ahead of Austin.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: alex1 on December 28, 2019, 07:41:45 PM
I think Billic's judgement can be trusted on this. I appreciate that players need time to bed in and maybe build their confidence, but we are in a highly competitive situation and haven't got games we can afford to experiment with. If Zohore was pulling up roots on the training ground, then Billic would have promoted him in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2019, 08:49:46 PM
Sorry but the escalation in anti-Zohore feeling based on his opportunities on boxing day is out of proportion.

I'm pretty sure there's a player there which is why we signed him... but he definitely needs to put himself about a bit more and make more of what could be very limited opportunities in the team. In that formation though without any crosses going in and little pace in the team I'd definitely start him ahead of Austin.
I agree with you entirely. HRK and Austin have had more opportunities, and have both been very poor at times. I think Zohore has been overlooked because he was not a "Bilic signing" and I think the same is true of Willock. Irrespective of whether or not my thoughts are correct, one thing is certainly true, and that is that the anti Kenneth Zohore attitude expressed by some in this thread is unfair in the extreme on the basis of very limited opportunities.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Wigmore on December 28, 2019, 10:34:32 PM
At the time it was reported that the initial up front payment was £6 million with add ons to 7. I’ve seen nothing official to suggest it was much lower.
I don't think we need to worry about add-ons, given KZ's current performance levels.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 28, 2019, 11:12:55 PM
Criticism based on Thursday is definitely OTT but there was a marked difference in his attitude before and after the arm in the face.


He just hasn't got any heart, I've played cricket now for 30 years, you can always tell who's got any bottle/ticker.


Ken Zohore hasn't.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 02, 2020, 01:40:10 PM
I thought he looked decent last night. Surely needs a run in the side as HRK looks knackered and Austin is best as an impact sub.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2020, 01:41:51 PM
I thought he looked decent last night. Surely needs a run in the side as HRK looks knackered and Austin is best as an impact sub.

I agree - much more influence and heart than he displayed at Barnsley.

He was a useful sub - someone who can run down those channels and attempt to hold the ball up.

He did well, but I have still have a lot of question marks.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Oldbury24 on January 02, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
Might come good, might not.  His highlights reel shows quality, however, if we want top two don't think we can rely on him being the answer.    Feel another striker needed, as Slav is not sure on big Ken and seems to have come to the conclusion that Charlie isn't mobile enough to start against the better teams (i think we all knew that quite early on).  HRK's hold up play has been very good, but he may very well go on a run of 10 + games without a goal.

Most top teams will have four strikers anyway, and you could say that only Austin is a traditional center forward.  So Big Ken as part of a four is ok, as first choice? Not at the moment.

   
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2020, 02:01:52 PM
If he can’t score in this team then he never will here.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2020, 02:02:51 PM
If he can’t score in this team then he never will here.


I'll defend him on this point, we don't create chances for our strikers.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: GREGMT on January 05, 2020, 07:12:55 PM
I think he should continue to start for the next few games for 60mins then Austin to replace him.  He would push back the oppositions defence by 10 yards.  Currently, teams are squeezing our midfield with HRK.  4 or 5 starts can lift Zohore's confidence.  Not that HRK has been particularly bad, but Diangana's absence has affected the team's balance.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 05, 2020, 07:44:09 PM
I think he should continue to start for the next few games for 60mins then Austin to replace him.  He would push back the oppositions defence by 10 yards.  Currently, teams are squeezing our midfield with HRK.  4 or 5 starts can lift Zohore's confidence.  Not that HRK has been particularly bad, but Diangana's absence has affected the team's balance.

Deserves his chance after today he is more of a goal threat than HRK
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: frazzle on January 05, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
Daft as it may seem I would definitely start him in the next game. I thought he did well and has pace and power that neither Kanu nor Austin can match. He also created and then tucked away his goal which I don’t feel weve seen too often and so is something new for opposition to worry about.

I think I’d read that he is a bit of a confidence player so perhaps playing him on the same pitch where he has just scored could be a smart thing to do.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 05, 2020, 08:22:01 PM
Daft as it may seem I would definitely start him in the next game. I thought he did well and has pace and power that neither Kanu nor Austin can match. He also created and then tucked away his goal which I don’t feel weve seen too often and so is something new for opposition to worry about.

I think I’d read that he is a bit of a confidence player so perhaps playing him on the same pitch where he has just scored could be a smart thing to do.
Just needs to stop diving/falling over.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: albion59 on January 05, 2020, 08:29:52 PM
Let's not get carried away he scored against a rubbish Charlton team, did nothing in the second half doesn't deserve a place ahead of Austin or HRK. IMO of course!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 05, 2020, 08:33:46 PM
Daft as it may seem I would definitely start him in the next game. I thought he did well and has pace and power that neither Kanu nor Austin can match. He also created and then tucked away his goal which I don’t feel weve seen too often and so is something new for opposition to worry about.

I think I’d read that he is a bit of a confidence player so perhaps playing him on the same pitch where he has just scored could be a smart thing to do.
One swallow does not a summer make

No way is he ahead of HRK
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: GREGMT on January 05, 2020, 08:34:09 PM
Let's not get carried away he scored against a rubbish Charlton team, did nothing in the second half doesn't deserve a place ahead of Austin or HRK. IMO of course!

I don't think you're looking at the big picture in terms of how the team are set up.  We have been far too laboured and slow in the last 5 games.  More individuals with speed are required to push the opposition back. Austin never looks good when started anyway.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 05, 2020, 08:40:21 PM
I don't think you're looking at the big picture in terms of how the team are set up.  We have been far too laboured and slow in the last 5 games.  More individuals with speed are required to push the opposition back. Austin never looks good when started anyway.
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Not too sure about Charlie.
Kanu or Austin... Take your pick.
Prefer to start Charlie.
Bring on an old fart later.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Adder on January 05, 2020, 08:59:02 PM
Just needs to stop diving/falling over.
You can apply that to all three of our front men. HRK blatant dive against Leeds.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: AlbionFan on January 05, 2020, 09:01:56 PM
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Not too sure about Charlie.
Kanu or Austin... Take your pick.
Prefer to start Charlie.
Bring on an old fart later.

Would that be after the marinated sprouts then?  :P
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: caravanc58 on January 05, 2020, 09:23:49 PM
Without his goal I'd have been disappointed with his performance today , thought Austin was much better.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: alex1 on January 05, 2020, 10:11:44 PM
Without his goal I'd have been disappointed with his performance today , thought Austin was much better.
I thought he did well aside from the goal. Showed he wanted to get at the Charlton defence, but that may have been down to the inexperience of Charlton's defenders.
With his goal I was impressed with his movement and one-two with Edwards. His shot went thro the keepers legs, so its fine margins of being called a good finish or a poor miss.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 06, 2020, 08:29:49 PM
Good player who has to "muscle in" a bit more.
Stop the "fairy" diving and get on with it.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 20, 2020, 11:44:42 PM
How much did we pay for him? Staggering because I’m struggling to pinpoint his good qualities? Nice skin fade though..
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: baggie38 on January 20, 2020, 11:46:40 PM
His agent dangled the carrot and we ate the lot. Another total waste of a fee and a wage.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on January 20, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
People got excited as he looked good against Charlton resverrves. We know that is his level. Not first team champo action.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: alex1 on January 21, 2020, 12:03:27 AM
People got excited as he looked good against Charlton resverrves. We know that is his level. Not first team champo action.
Have to agree. He's not really a classic No 9, because he doesn't win enough heading duels, and he's not really a forward running from deep as he's not speedy or clinical enough. Certainly nowhere near the Dwight Gale level.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on January 21, 2020, 12:10:40 AM
In fairness to Dowling, there were no warning signs there for him to look at before signing him. None of the Cardiff observers were saying he blew hot and cold (with his hot being very rare) and there was no way he could look at his past scoring record (10 league goals in 2 seasons) before wasting £7 million on him. You just can’t blame Dowling.....
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: paulosull on January 21, 2020, 12:55:08 AM
If I never see this donkey in an Albion shirt again it will be too soon, offers nothing to the cause and who ever agreed to pay Cardiff 8 million for him needs their head examined.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: darbolina on January 21, 2020, 09:48:13 AM
Poor signing so far. He doesn't look at it. Maybe time to move him on if he can't be bothered. With three strikers, we cannot carry anyone. I'd rather a more limited hold up player who is committed than Zohore who looks like a player who'd fit well coasting in the background of a Pardew set up - hopefully Bilic is more ruthless
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on January 21, 2020, 10:29:23 AM
We are completely lacking in the striking department. Badly need a mobile young goalscorer. This poor run has really highlighted our lack of a natural goalscorer
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: boinging_along on January 21, 2020, 10:33:41 AM
We are completely lacking in the striking department. Badly need a mobile young goalscorer. This poor run has really highlighted our lack of a natural goalscorer

Yeah. we knew this at the start of the season but HRK's purple patch and Diangana\Periera\Phillips playing together papered over the cracks. 
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: we8seals on January 21, 2020, 10:38:03 AM
Plays like Barbie not Ken. Powder puff is being far too kind.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 21, 2020, 10:53:10 AM
Plays like Barbie not Ken. Powder puff is being far too kind.

agreed.

some of his touches last night were the worst i have seen for a few years. He has scored a couple ok i get that, but last night was abysmal.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: tommcneill on January 21, 2020, 11:23:28 AM
you expect players to come in and force their way into the side and play with a vigour that can keep them in the side.

He doesnt do this ever apart from Charlton in the Cup where he put himself about
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Mikkyk on January 21, 2020, 11:55:35 AM
The only thing in defence of Zohore last night (because he was awful) was that SB shot his confidence to pieces by not picking him in the starting XI after two goals in two starts.

I know he played virtually 90 mins but the damage was done by the time he came on.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 21, 2020, 12:00:51 PM
The only thing in defence of Zohore last night (because he was awful) was that SB shot his confidence to pieces by not picking him in the starting XI after two goals in two starts.

I know he played virtually 90 mins but the damage was done by the time he came on.

confidence or not he should still be able to control a ball. first half it hit his foot and it is one of the worst touches by a professional footballer i have ever seen.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: royhan on January 21, 2020, 12:24:41 PM
It looked as if he didn't break sweat last night. Whoever recommended him doesn't know a lot about strikers.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Albionic on January 21, 2020, 12:29:29 PM
It looked as if he didn't break sweat last night. Whoever recommended him doesn't know a lot about strikers.
Not just metaphorically, there was a free kick where our lot lined up, HRK and MP were drenched and KZ looked like he had just walked into a bar, fresh as a daisy, either mega fit or not trying.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: chippyclarke on January 21, 2020, 12:48:00 PM
Thinking about adding him to my Mount Rushmore of the biggest striker flops i've watched.

The current mountain residents are

Fabien Defreitas
Luke Moore
Marcus Rosenberg
Clown Ideye

Question is, who makes way?
Start another mountain - you'll be able to fill it pretty quickly!
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: KN22 on January 21, 2020, 01:03:02 PM
Was a massive disappointment last night. The size and power the man possesses he should be able to bully defences at this level. Last night he failed to do that even once.
Nothing positive to add except that we have not spent £8m on him as seems to be the view of many.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on January 21, 2020, 01:03:54 PM
How much have we spent on him KN22?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 21, 2020, 01:34:06 PM
confidence or not he should still be able to control a ball. first half it hit his foot and it is one of the worst touches by a professional footballer i have ever seen.

I'm still trying to get his header from the first half out of my head  :D
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 21, 2020, 01:34:18 PM
Thinking about adding him to my Mount Rushmore of the biggest striker flops i've watched.

The current mountain residents are

Fabien Defreitas
Luke Moore
Marcus Rosenberg
Clown Ideye

Question is, who makes way?

That's your 4? Really? No Mickey Evans, Brian Quailey, Thievy Bifouma? All worse than Ideye.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 21, 2020, 01:47:13 PM
The worst Albion striker is a topic in itself and not to be held in the Kenneth Zohore thread..
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Albionic on January 21, 2020, 02:06:25 PM
The worst Albion striker is a topic in itself and not to be held in the Kenneth Zohore thread..

more a selection box than a Topic
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Mikkyk on January 21, 2020, 02:50:17 PM
How much have we spent on him KN22?

Would also like to know this. I think I'm right in saying a big portion of it was reliant on us being promoted.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 21, 2020, 04:59:14 PM
Would also like to know this. I think I'm right in saying a big portion of it was reliant on us being promoted.

From what I've heard, it's about £2.5 - £3 million down, with the rest due based on promotion, games, goals, etc.

I can't find a source on those numbers, but I'm sure that's what I had seen.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Adder on January 21, 2020, 05:55:49 PM
Not as bad as most are making out...and in my eyes he worked harder than most are making out.
His touch is usually pretty decent and anyone can get a first touch wrong here and there (Rondon who unlike Zohore is/was a premier league class striker had plenty of poor touches....and so did Lukaku !).

Zohore does need more belief. The run late on where he went past one Stoke player and then scuffed the shot.....he should have taken on the next Stoke defender, he has the power and pace there he's just got to use it. He also doesn't need people getting on his back.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Baggies on January 21, 2020, 10:37:22 PM
It is possible that the fee is a lot less than reported, however at the time, when asked how much we had paid for Zohore up front, the local media said the down payment was around £6 or £7 million with £1 or £2 million being in add ons. They may have got it wrong - they have got a lot wrong recently - but that was what was reported at the time and I can’t find anything that says it was as low as £3 million down payment (which it should have been).
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: KN22 on January 21, 2020, 10:48:49 PM
How much have we spent on him KN22?

Whilst I cannot 100% confirm I believe that it’s half of the full value, so 4m. Still a lot I know.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: gazberg on January 21, 2020, 10:51:04 PM
Whilst I cannot 100% confirm I believe that it’s half of the full value, so 4m. Still a lot I know.

Thank you. Still 2m too much for my liking but its done now haha
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore joins WBA
Post by: Dan87uk on January 26, 2020, 01:36:38 PM
Looked like he could hardly move during the last 5-10 mins of the game yesterday when off the ball and was then on his haunches when the full time whistle went too - He didn't start the game so it shouldn't be tiredness, I'm wondering if he's picked up a knock of some kind.

His first couple of mins he didn't quite look on the pace but then after that when we went down to 10 he was good, held up the ball well with Tuloch helping him in the corner too.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 28, 2020, 09:11:24 AM
Is he now officially a spent force and on his way at the end of the season?
My preferred option would be that the gaffer and his team are quietly working away with him in the background to try and turn him into a decent goal scoring forward for next season
But somehow doubt it
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Sted1990 on February 28, 2020, 09:12:14 AM
Such a baffling signing, what were the club doing?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2020, 09:24:39 AM
Such a baffling signing, what were the club doing?

He should be so much better than we have seen, big / strong / mobile / quick.

He typifies the old school english managers recipe for a forward, he must be looking in the mirror and thinking about why it hasn't worked at Cardiff or here, then again, when he looks at the bank balance its going to be a damn site healthier than mine.

It would be interesting to see him given a decent run of games, but I cannot see how / when
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: gazberg on February 28, 2020, 09:25:11 AM
Even worse than I expected when we signed him. Another one that needs to be moved on at tend of season.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 28, 2020, 09:28:48 AM
Such a baffling signing, what were the club doing?
buying a big strong hold up player with a bit of pace that had shown he could cut it in the championship in previous seasons. Basically Ken should be where HRK is and doing what he’s doing. As Hal’s shown it should fit our style but he hasn’t.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Atomic on February 28, 2020, 09:44:27 AM
I got it wrong with Zohore, I saw the physical attributes he had and thought he'd be a big hit in a Bilic team. Just hasn't happened. He has very good pace, he's strong and he has a bit of ability but for me he doesn't have the right attitude or bottle. He should be taking it upon himself to bully defenders but he just doesn't seem to have the sort of drive or personality to do that.

You can change things about players but you cant change someone's personality. I would be surprised if we didnt try to move him on in the summer.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2020, 09:51:36 AM
I got it wrong with Zohore, I saw the physical attributes he had and thought he'd be a big hit in a Bilic team. Just hasn't happened. He has very good pace, he's strong and he has a bit of ability but for me he doesn't have the right attitude or bottle. He should be taking it upon himself to bully defenders but he just doesn't seem to have the sort of drive or personality to do that.

You can change things about players but you cant change someone's personality. I would be surprised if we didnt try to move him on in the summer.

I'm sort of clinging to the run of games argument (as per Conor townsend), I don't see how it happens though and we wouldn't loan him out, would we?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Atomic on February 28, 2020, 09:59:27 AM
I'm sort of clinging to the run of games argument (as per Conor townsend), I don't see how it happens though and we wouldn't loan him out, would we?


I think it depends if we get any offers for him. It's Ok a club wanting to sell a player but another club has to want to buy him and not just that but buy him at a price the selling club deem acceptable. If that doesn't happen it may well be we send him out on loan.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: KingKoren on February 28, 2020, 10:03:40 AM
buying a big strong hold up player with a bit of pace that had shown he could cut it in the championship in previous seasons. Basically Ken should be where HRK is and doing what he’s doing. As Hal’s shown it should fit our style but he hasn’t.

Exactly this.

I have seen him showcase his potential on a few occasions (unfortunately too infrequently) and I can certainly understand why we bought him. People who say it was baffling signing, the money we paid is nothing for a striker these days especially when you consider his age. His goal record for Cardiff was 1 in 4 and that includes a very difficult Prem season. On paper he is has everything we want to play that lone striker role in our system but he just doesn't seem refined enough yet, perhaps he never will be, but I wouldn't want the person who identified him to be lynched for it. My biggest issue with Ken is he doesn't seem aggressive enough, he needs to fight more and utilize his strength, he should be bullying defenders at this level.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 28, 2020, 10:12:02 AM
I'm sort of clinging to the run of games argument (as per Conor townsend), I don't see how it happens though and we wouldn't loan him out, would we?

Me too. I think with a run in the side, which he's never had, he has all the attributes to be as effective as HRK. However he hasn't shown enough to warrant a decent run in the side. Catch 22 really.

KingKoren mentioned his goal scoring record at Cardiff. He has a 1 in 4 goal record with us as well. (well 4 in 17).

I wonder if he'll start against Newcastle or whether it'll be Austin?
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Albionic on February 28, 2020, 10:13:21 AM
Me too. I think with a run in the side, which he's never had, he has all the attributes to be as effective as HRK. However he hasn't shown enough to warrant a decent run in the side. Catch 22 really.

KingKoren mentioned his goal scoring record at Cardiff. He has a 1 in 4 goal record with us as well. (well 4 in 17).

I wonder if he'll start against Newcastle or whether it'll be Austin?

I am not a Charlie Austin fan and I would hope Ken gets and grabs an opportunity.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggiebof on February 28, 2020, 10:19:19 AM
I thought the same before we signed him but it is clear that he is not a target man, people just expect this due to his physique. He likes to run in behind or go wide in space to pick up the ball to run at goal. That is half of what we require from our front man, we require somebody who can be a target and hold it whilst linking the play. He is probably more effective in a counter attacking team I'd suggest.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: TiptonThrostle on February 28, 2020, 10:44:12 AM
He just isn't good enough that is the main point.

For a big lad he is not strong at all and is useless in the air. He is so one sided too it is unbelievable. He reminds me of Ishmael Miller.

Bad bad signing. Get rid in the summer.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggiedom on February 28, 2020, 11:38:55 AM
Fabian de freitas mk.2 :'(
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: royhan on February 28, 2020, 02:21:41 PM
It was a strange signing to put it mildly. Even Cardiff's most loyal fans couldn't believe that we signed him and, more important, how much we reportedly paid for him.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: darbolina on February 28, 2020, 03:15:20 PM
He seems to have a quality touch and a decent finish in there but as others have said it seems to be his desire and determination to get physical which is his big weakness. He could learn a lot from HRK in this respect. You win some you lose some but if we go up I'd be trying to lose him as I can't see where he could fit in if he's not been good enough this season..........
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 28, 2020, 05:07:02 PM
In some respects, the success (and relative fitness) of our first choice team means that there are a number of players on the fringe of the squad that we are just not seeing anything like the game time they would like. Zohore, Brunt, Austin and a number of others fall into this category. Will we ever see Peltier play for example?  It is an unfortunate feature of a high performing team that it does not change that much.  Zohore should feature for at least part of the cup game when we should rotate.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: alex1 on February 28, 2020, 05:43:33 PM
I think Zohore was a bit of a panic buy. The club were under alot of pressure from fans (including I daresay a fair number on here) to compensate for the loss of Gayle and Jay Rod. He was just someone available who was within our budget, so the club wouldn't face criticism for not replacing the other two.  Even with Austin arriving later in the same window, I don't think we adequately replaced Gayle and Jay Rod. However, Billic has been clever in changing the formation around, so our goals are spread around the team.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Standaman on February 29, 2020, 11:14:32 AM
Chief happy clapper here. 8)

 I concede that we paid too much for Zohore although I believe we structured the deal in a way that Cardiff only get the full £8m if he is an unbridled sucess which I don't think he has been. I would point out that the 3rd choice striker is always a failure indeed the 3rd choice anything is probably a failure. They simply don't get enough game time to be anything else.

Going into the season we had 3 options Austin Zohore and HRK. Bilic has got more of a tune out of HRK than anyone thought possible so the other two have been limited for game time. Austin is a least as big as failure as Zohore in that he is very obviously not the type of striker that Bilic needs to make his tactics work. Zohore probably should be ahead of Austin in the pecking order but isn't whether that is a failure on the part of the player or the club in bringing in the wrong player is anyone's guess.

Yet the general principle applies that don't rush to judgement as we don't know how a player works out until you he gets onto the pitch and you see how the coach wants to use him. 
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: timdon on February 29, 2020, 06:02:05 PM
Chief happy clapper here. 8)

 I concede that we paid too much for Zohore although I believe we structured the deal in a way that Cardiff only get the full £8m if he is an unbridled sucess which I don't think he has been. I would point out that the 3rd choice striker is always a failure indeed the 3rd choice anything is probably a failure. They simply don't get enough game time to be anything else.

Going into the season we had 3 options Austin Zohore and HRK. Bilic has got more of a tune out of HRK than anyone thought possible so the other two have been limited for game time. Austin is a least as big as failure as Zohore in that he is very obviously not the type of striker that Bilic needs to make his tactics work. Zohore probably should be ahead of Austin in the pecking order but isn't whether that is a failure on the part of the player or the club in bringing in the wrong player is anyone's guess.

Yet the general principle applies that don't rush to judgement as we don't know how a player works out until you he gets onto the pitch and you see how the coach wants to use him.
Townsend and O'Shea were both 3rd choices  a few weeks ago. They have both done well. Otherwise agree with what you say.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 03, 2020, 10:33:01 PM
Big ken had a good game today worthy of his spot on the bench he offers a lot more than Austin in this system
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 03, 2020, 11:16:45 PM
Big ken had a good game today worthy of his spot on the bench he offers a lot more than Austin in this system
Stephen Hawkins would offer more than Austin in this system
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 03, 2020, 11:57:13 PM
Stephen Hawkins would offer more than Austin in this system

Haha...
He was a nuisance he runs channels held it up well made one and scored one... I would be knocking on slaven door if I was him
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: maccbaggie on March 04, 2020, 08:00:01 AM
Should he ahead of Austin in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Atomic on March 04, 2020, 08:05:32 AM
Should've had a hat trick last night. Failed to collect a rebound then on his favoured left foot should have scored but hit a tame shot that was going wide till the defender deflected it away.

Austin was awful, Zohore no better despite his goal.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: geoff on March 04, 2020, 08:14:08 AM
Should've had a hat trick last night. Failed to collect a rebound then on his favoured left foot should have scored but hit a tame shot that was going wide till the defender deflected it away.

Austin was awful, Zohore no better despite his goal.

Just the way i saw the game unfold myself. There was to many missed good goal scoring opportunitys by the two of them that if you added them all up we could have both scored hat tricks.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: FallOutBoy on March 04, 2020, 08:52:16 AM
*People around me chant for Zohore to replace Austin*

*Zohore replaces Austin*

*People start getting on his back for being lazy / not playing well*

Nothing like patience is there?  ::)
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: baggiebof on March 04, 2020, 09:14:14 AM
In some ways he is a better option than Austin as he offers the threat of running in behind and running the channels however he isn't as good a finisher as Austin nor does he link the play as well. Neither offer us what Robson-Kanu offers so neither is really an adequate like for like replacement.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: boinging_along on March 04, 2020, 09:38:50 AM
Just the way i saw the game unfold myself. There was to many missed good goal scoring opportunitys by the two of them that if you added them all up we could have both scored hat tricks.

I don't recall Austin really missing any good chances?  He had one decent shot where he could have slipped Phillips in for an open goal but that's about it?

I thought Zohore put more effort in than Austin and looked brighter.  Austin was basically a goal hanging Brunt.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: Morany on March 04, 2020, 09:46:55 AM
Short cameo aside, the bloke is an absolute donkey. Stealing a living and whoever sanctioned this needs a rollocking.

Terrible record prior to signing.
Title: Re: Kenneth Zohore
Post by: wba1993dave on March 04, 2020, 10:19:26 AM
Was 100% better than Austin last night. He was that much better I would put him on the bench for Swansea. Austin is a busted flush.