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Title: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 13, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
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 Slaven Bilic  is the new head coach of West Brom. 2 year deal. Announcement imminent
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 13, 2019, 12:36:56 PM
John Percy Twitter Account


 Slaven Bilic  is the new head coach of West Brom. 2 year deal. Announcement imminent
So not actually 'official' yet?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 13, 2019, 12:38:59 PM
So not actually 'official' yet?


It's come from Percy. Can't get a more reliable source. It's done. Albion will get round to announcing it when they get their arses into gear.

Might take them three months though.  :D ;)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: MarkW on June 13, 2019, 12:40:22 PM
Locking this until we get official confirmation from a club channel (Twitter, website etc)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: MarkW on June 13, 2019, 01:09:58 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/albion-appoint-bili-as-head-coach/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: saml30 on June 13, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
Very Happy and looking forward to hopefully some “rock’n’roll” football but just don’t understand why this wasn’t done once Moore was ousted? It’s taken this long to get someone who was out of work which for me is just penny pinching. I suppose the whys and how’s don’t matter now. Welcome Slav, good luck I think you may need it
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: albion59 on June 13, 2019, 01:15:00 PM
I just heard on radio WM that he as signed a 2 year deal and it will be announced in the next couple of hours.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 13, 2019, 01:15:18 PM
Can all fans now get behind the club now PLEASE and stop moaning.

This isn't a cheap option and no we didn't get Appleton.

If you haven't got a season ticket, get one, lets get behind the club and make the Hawthorns a special place next season.

ATID.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 13, 2019, 01:16:01 PM
I just heard on radio WM that he as signed a 2 year deal and it will be announced in the next couple of hours.


On official site already mate.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 13, 2019, 01:16:21 PM
Considering some of the dross we have been linked with, I'm quite happy.

I can still see him walking in November after an argument with Jenkins.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 13, 2019, 01:16:51 PM
Chuffed!

Some character to the club, finally!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: albion59 on June 13, 2019, 01:17:37 PM

On official site already mate.
Just seen it mate.Thanks
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 13, 2019, 01:18:43 PM
Can only paste what I said earlier...

Great news. Let the rebuild commence!

Welcome to the club Slav. I will go on record as saying, I am very happy with your appointment. First time I have said that since we appointed Roy.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Jack Thrust on June 13, 2019, 01:18:55 PM
Overall I'm pretty pleased with this, certainly puts paid to the Yes Man/Cheap option/steady eddy predictions imo.

I've got to give some credit to the board for the apparent ambition of this appointment, and if they now back him to build a squad I don't know how i'll cope with some positivity around the place.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on June 13, 2019, 01:19:46 PM
Proper happy with this appointment. Might get a season ticket now.

Interesting that he said the club has a short term and a long term strategy. I was convinced we had neither.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 13, 2019, 01:19:50 PM
Considering some of the dross we have been linked with, I'm quite happy.

I can still see him walking in November after an argument with Jenkins.


STILL negativity.

Come on man let's big ourselves up for once. Let's get everything buzzing. Remember that atmosphere vs Villa. We can do it, let's make sure we do.

PS! No offence intended.  :-*
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pie on June 13, 2019, 01:20:25 PM
GET IN!

Welcome Big Slav I am excited to see what this season will bring now. Lots of arrrrd work rebuilding the squad but bring it on!

Hopefully a new look team ready tot= take the league by storm come the first day.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: silver surfer on June 13, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
Looking forward to the season now.
Lets get behind him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 01:23:45 PM
All the best Slaven, hopefully you get the right backing and get us promoted.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: 17GD on June 13, 2019, 01:26:30 PM
I'm thrilled with this appointment! Welcome Slav! Let's do this!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: miggybaggy on June 13, 2019, 01:27:26 PM
Great. Lets hope he can instil a lot more urgency about the place and kick a few butts. Been far too much 'old-pals' stuff going on recently.
Looking forward to not being bored senseless by backwards and sideways football!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: sammyg on June 13, 2019, 01:28:10 PM
Chuffed with this. Let’s hope it works out! Least it won’t be boring! Welcome Slav!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 13, 2019, 01:28:36 PM

STILL negativity.

What the hell does it take for some people? Are you on medication?

Come on man let's big ourselves up for once. Let's get everything buzzing. Remember that atmosphere vs Villa. We can do it, let's make sure we do.

PS! No offence intended.  :-*

agreed. do not need any negativity and the club need to re-group and create more atmospheres like against the villa and not like various home games last year when we went 1-0 down or took a short goal kick and full of groans and moans.

really excited about this appointment and glad we didnt rush in giving it some nobody or a someone promoted within the club. financially back Bilic and i believe we will see results.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: rogerstubbs on June 13, 2019, 01:31:51 PM
Very pleased with the appointment
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 13, 2019, 01:31:58 PM
Sorry everyone. I forgot that everything will be brilliant if we sing louder, clap harder, and believe in everything the club do, even the things that contradict the other things they were doing.

PS No offence intended  :P
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Andio on June 13, 2019, 01:32:32 PM
Welcome to the Baggies Slaven!!!

Really pleased with this appointment! Now make sure you back him in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 13, 2019, 01:36:11 PM
Really happy with this.
Glad we've taken our time and not rushed into getting one of the merry go round / safe pair of hands managers.

Exciting times ahead I think.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 13, 2019, 01:40:04 PM
I'm pleased it is sorted as it enables us to crack on, but i'm on the fence with Bilic. It seems he did well with Croatia, poorly in Moscow, Par at Besiktas, OK with West Ham and poorly in Saudi Arabia so its a real mixed bag. He speaks well as a pundit mind and will i'll support him until I have reason not to!



Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: royhan on June 13, 2019, 01:40:19 PM
It will be interesting to discover who his background team is. I hope Shan stays in his original post.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 13, 2019, 01:40:20 PM
Really happy with this.
Glad we've taken our time and not rushed into getting one of the merry go round / safe pair of hands managers.

Exciting times ahead I think.


You ain't kidding. How many days was it in the end? I lost count, 95, 96, 97?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tambag on June 13, 2019, 01:40:29 PM
Welcome Slaven.

I hope the board back you with sufficient funds to give you a competitive squad.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: vrabbit on June 13, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
Considering the options this is an appointment I can get behind. I believe he's a clear 4231 guy so it should also give us some sense of what we'll be looking for. I have to assume the financial plan for transfers has already been discussed, so let's get it!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBArgo on June 13, 2019, 01:40:36 PM
Good to have someone in sooner rather than later - now if he could bring in Reece Oxford too it would be great.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 13, 2019, 01:41:01 PM
Slaven Bilic: West Bromwich Albion name ex-West Ham manager as head coach

Welcome aboard the good ship Albion Slaven

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48621629
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on June 13, 2019, 01:41:24 PM
Probably better than most of us had hoped for.
He has the footballing pedigree hope it works out for him and us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 13, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
It will be interesting to discover who his background team is. I hope Shan stays in his original post.
Julian Dicks hopefully for one. There will be no shirkers if he's around.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tommcneill on June 13, 2019, 01:45:52 PM
Over the moon with this appointment, hes a good manager and good guy

Welcome to the club Slaven  8)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 13, 2019, 01:49:23 PM
Sorry everyone. I forgot that everything will be brilliant if we sing louder, clap harder, and believe in everything the club do, even the things that contradict the other things they were doing.

PS No offence intended  :P

its not guranteed mate but theres more chance of success by doing that than negativity. :)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on June 13, 2019, 01:49:52 PM
Great news, welcome Slaven
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gerry m on June 13, 2019, 01:50:18 PM
Welcome to the Albion Slaven  :D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 13, 2019, 01:53:16 PM
At last some class from the club. Welcome Slaven and good luck.COYB
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on June 13, 2019, 01:53:28 PM
Got a boing back in my step now, if it goes pear shaped so be it.  High enough profile to encourage those we want to stay to stay, and those we want to come here to take it seriously. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2019, 01:54:20 PM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment after some of the names we have been linked with, only Bilic, Jokanovic and Labbadia were acceptable to me. This is only the start, Slaven has a massive rebuild to orchestrate starting today.


Can all fans now get behind the club now PLEASE and stop moaning.

This isn't a cheap option and no we didn't get Appleton.

If you haven't got a season ticket, get one, lets get behind the club and make the Hawthorns a special place next season.

ATID.


In a word no. This is a start, but Dowling and Jenkins need to go a LOT further to mend the damage they have caused and regain our trust. I will however keep my powder dry until the Transfer Window closes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: don1thedon on June 13, 2019, 01:55:04 PM
Welcome to the Baggies Slaven, here we go!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on June 13, 2019, 01:56:48 PM
Huge sign of relief that this is over and that the board have made a considered appointment and not a cheap one. Well done board (finally) and welcome Slaven!

Just need to get right behind him and the club now😁

COYB!!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 13, 2019, 01:58:56 PM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment after some of the names we have been linked with, only Bilic, Jokanovic and Labbadia were acceptable to me. This is only the start, Slaven has a massive rebuild to orchestrate starting today.



In a word no. This is a start, but Dowling and Jenkins need to go a LOT further to mend the damage they have caused and regain our trust. I will however keep my powder dry until the Transfer Window closes.


It's not about Dowling and Jenkins it's about the club, it is way bigger than either of them.

Yeah, everything might end up ****, who knows, we could all die tomorrow for all we know, but we've got a much better chance if we're all pulling in the same direction. Divided we fall.

Bilic doesn't have an easy job, not by a long stretch let's not make it any more difficult than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on June 13, 2019, 01:59:08 PM
Happy with that appointment.  Can't have been cheap either so may this year will be a bigger push than we originally thought?  Bilic is not the type of manager who will settle for mid table Championship.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on June 13, 2019, 02:00:30 PM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment........This is only the start, Slaven has a massive rebuild to orchestrate starting today.......Dowling and Jenkins need to go a LOT further to mend the damage they have caused and regain our trust..........

........ the tea lady's still looking over her shoulder as well.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwick2 on June 13, 2019, 02:00:30 PM
Very happy with this appointment not just because I think he is a decent coach, but if he has agreed to sign then he surely must have been given assurances with bringing players in etc. I doubt he would have joined us just to be asset stripped and rely on kids and has-beens.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on June 13, 2019, 02:00:41 PM
How long will it be before we are renamed ‘Slaven Bilic’s West Bromwich Albion’?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 13, 2019, 02:01:39 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

Dowling explains the wait: “We had the opportunity to ensure we conducted a wide range of interviews and were determined to take it. We have spoken to some outstanding candidates and I would like to thank them for their interest in the post.”

Can’t argue with the logic, no matter how frustrated fans felt about the process
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albion79 on June 13, 2019, 02:22:12 PM
I am very happy with this appointment and got some excitement back for the Albion for the first time in ages.

All managers have a risk but we have somebody with a bit of charisma, who has had a decent success (he isnt perfect, if he was he wouldnt be managing Albion!), seems no nonsense and trys to play good football.

No manager will ever please everyone but judging by the reaction on here, social media, etc there is a large majority pretty happy with this, that gives us a good starting point for next season with most on the same page (which we havent had for a long time, even Darren Moore, everybody was willing him to do well but the fan base was split on his appointment)

It took longer than we hoped but would rather wait and get the right man (hopefully!) than panic just to appease the fans frustrations. I know some have said why didnt Bilic have it in March but if i was looking  at it i wouldnt of rushed to take it, we had sacked a manager who was 4th which indicated that wasnt good enough and the reality was the squads reputation (or past reputation) was better than they actually are now.

Had we gone up we would of been lumbered with a ageing squad on good money just trying to achieve 17th, its a lot easier to rebuild in the championship, get a younger hungrier squad and try and stamp your own style on things.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on June 13, 2019, 02:23:04 PM
Wow - I'm nearly excited! Very good appointment IF Jenkins and Dowling back him with the playing and coaching squad including culture overhaul needed.

Come on let's not waste the opportunity to begin again.........................

COYB
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on June 13, 2019, 02:27:10 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

Dowling explains the wait: “We had the opportunity to ensure we conducted a wide range of interviews and were determined to take it. We have spoken to some outstanding candidates and I would like to thank them for their interest in the post.”

Can’t argue with the logic, no matter how frustrated fans felt about the process

True, but they have had since 9th March really, and that's being generous.  They should have been looking before that.  Happy with Bilic though, need to give him time as he has a big rebuilding job to get through.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on June 13, 2019, 02:28:26 PM
Very pleased with this , shows a bit of ambition. Bilic is no fool and needs to rebuild his reputation so, if this was a hiding to nothing,  due to lack of funds, I don't think he would have taken it.
Hope he does a Roy (without the bogging off to manage England bit)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on June 13, 2019, 02:38:42 PM
Very pleased with this , shows a bit of ambition. Bilic is no fool and needs to rebuild his reputation so, if this was a hiding to nothing,  due to lack of funds, I don't think he would have taken it.
Hope he does a Roy (without the bogging off to manage England bit)
I hope he does a Giles (without actually playing of course... although if HRK can get a game...???)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on June 13, 2019, 02:48:58 PM
Happy with the appointment, shows a bit of ambition by the club which pleases me.

Have to be honest at times I was fearing the worst, when we were linked with O'Neil, Cowley, Bowyer etc I did have a feeling I would end up underwhelmed, but the appointment of Bilic is high profile and a big signing for a championship club.

If Boro had got Slaven in, then I'm sure many of us would have been annoyed we hadn't gone for him.

I'm quietly confident that he will get backing this summer to build his own team aswell, he doesn't seem the type to agree to come here without their being an agreement that he can bring in some players of his own and have some money to work with.

He has a week/10 days to assess the background of the club, have a look at the squad, identify what positions he wants to strengthen, then when the players come back he can have a chat with them and decide whos committed to being here for the season and who needs to be shifted out.

Good appointment by the club and one which will please 95% of the fans.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BalisPen on June 13, 2019, 03:07:28 PM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment after some of the names we have been linked with, only Bilic, Jokanovic and Labbadia were acceptable to me. This is only the start, Slaven has a massive rebuild to orchestrate starting today.





Bilic was unemployed when DM was sacked and you didn't mention him then. But you did say:

"If we can't convince Jokanovic then Hughton is my pick.


No more average ex-players, with a 'knowledge of the club'.


Rip them out root and stem... "

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 13, 2019, 03:10:48 PM
Great. Let's hope that he can show West Ham were wrong/stupid to get rid of him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: NathWBA on June 13, 2019, 03:12:53 PM
New song for the stadium prematch playlist?

https://youtu.be/-RYg8Dy3xk4
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2019, 03:14:30 PM
Bilic was unemployed when DM was sacked and you didn't mention him then. But you did say:

"If we can't convince Jokanovic then Hughton is my pick.


No more average ex-players, with a 'knowledge of the club'.


Rip them out root and stem... "


It wasn't for me to link him to the club though, now I've seen all the links the 3 I mentioned earlier were the only three I'd have been happy with... Hughton would have been acceptable. Nothing more.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kris_boing on June 13, 2019, 03:20:59 PM
Wouldn't have been my number 1 pick but have to say I'm pleased with the appointment. Could have been much worse. I had zero faith in those at the club so they have surprised me. Welcome Slaven. Got a tough job ahead.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: phbaggies on June 13, 2019, 03:22:46 PM
Fair play to whoever had £20 on Bilic to be our manager at 28/1.....oh that would be me then!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on June 13, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
Fair play to whoever had £20 on Bilic to be our manager at 28/1.....oh that would be me then!  ;D ;D ;D

Nice one mukka
Welcome to the Hawthornes Slaven. You have a big job on your hands after years of neglect in the transfer market so here's hoping you have a little black book with some good (cheap) talent in it.
Bong Bong
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: pete on June 13, 2019, 03:56:45 PM
Welcome to the mighty Hawthorns Mr Bilic!

I wasnt too impressed with the phrase "rebuild the club on a shoe string budget" Hopefully that means he will blood some of the talented youth and some steals from around Europe. Come on the board youve made a good decision please back him!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 13, 2019, 04:06:17 PM
Very pleased with this, and a lot better than what we could have ended up with. Hughton FFS.
I have heard he is a  believer in bringing through young players, so some of our prima donnas with their feet under the table will be on shaky ground.
New start, no links to the club, no favourites.
Welcome Mr Bilic.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 13, 2019, 04:08:11 PM
Happy with the appointment, shows a bit of ambition by the club which pleases me.

Have to be honest at times I was fearing the worst, when we were linked with O'Neil, Cowley, Bowyer etc I did have a feeling I would end up underwhelmed, but the appointment of Bilic is high profile and a big signing for a championship club.

If Boro had got Slaven in, then I'm sure many of us would have been annoyed we hadn't gone for him.

I'm quietly confident that he will get backing this summer to build his own team aswell, he doesn't seem the type to agree to come here without their being an agreement that he can bring in some players of his own and have some money to work with.

He has a week/10 days to assess the background of the club, have a look at the squad, identify what positions he wants to strengthen, then when the players come back he can have a chat with them and decide whos committed to being here for the season and who needs to be shifted out.

Good appointment by the club and one which will please 95% of the fans.
Well if it is, by some stroke of luck on your part, 95% of pleased fans at the moment, let’s hope it doesn’t level out to the normal 50/50 split when things get tough. I’m certainly happy with the announcement.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 13, 2019, 04:30:27 PM
Is Slaven the highest profile Head Coach / Manager we’ve ever appointed?

I’m struggling to think of anyone with a better CV in our modern era. Roy maybe. I’d like to read what others think.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: phbaggies on June 13, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
Is Slaven the highest profile Head Coach / Manager we’ve ever appointed?

I’m struggling to think of anyone with a better CV in our modern era. Roy maybe. I’d like to read what others think.
Roy Hodgson definitely, biggest 'profile' since Ardiles or Bryan Robson maybe but they made their names as footballers more than managers?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on June 13, 2019, 04:35:02 PM
I'm reasonably pleased with Billic and didn't mind the extra wait if it has resulted in finding the best available.
He does seem very determined to get us back in the Prem, which has to be a priority, and at the same time we will see an emphasis on attacking football, which is almost as important. I expect he will want to bring in some of his own backroom staff, but I hope there is room for those with an Albion pedigree, esp. Shan, who can provide him with lots of vital background information. Now its hoping he can get the right players in, which he can blend into a winning team.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: NJS on June 13, 2019, 04:53:18 PM
There's been a lot of speculation about what's been going on between Dowling, Jenkins and Lai over the period since before DM's departure.  We don't know. Maybe they had someone lined up who let them down maybe they didn't.  It may be they vacillated over what type of football manager would be best, we don't know for sure.  We only know that they took their time - which may be a good thing.

The important thing is to get behind the manager who isn't a cheap option and who won't be cowed by the senior players because the players he's worked with were better than any of them.  I hope he shows courage and reads the game and reacts to how the match is going.  I hope he is allowed to build a squad that enables him to call upon the occupants of the bench when the situation demands.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 13, 2019, 05:23:36 PM
I doubt we could have found a more high profile coach as a Championship club and with any luck the board and the fan base will stay star struck long enough for Bilic to survive the short term and possibly influence the longer term. Basically he has 2 years to get promotion after that all bets are off.

 I am pleased with the appointment largely the because Bilic at least tries to play progressive football however he doesn't have a magic wand that is going to fix every problem overnight.  Whether he is the best technical coach is at best debatable. I wouldn't take too much from his time at West Ham as that was a particular set of circumstances with it's own challenges.

 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on June 13, 2019, 05:29:08 PM
I wonder how long it will take before the club is re-branded by the national media into "Slaven Billic's West Brom".
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 13, 2019, 05:37:49 PM
Delighted with this, best appointment since Roy. And with the right backing could do even better for us.

Board forgiven for being embarrassingly long in this, maybe they were doing it right. Maybe we should cut some slack now and see what happens.

Welcome on board, Slaven; I begrudgingly admired you at West Ham. Now instead of blowing bubbles, let's blow some smoke up the competition.......
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KYA on June 13, 2019, 05:38:12 PM
I thought I had stumbled onto the wrong site so much optimism  :o  keep it going lads   :).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 13, 2019, 05:40:52 PM
Delighted with this, best appointment since Roy. And with the right backing could do even better for us.

Board forgiven for being embarrassingly long in this, maybe they were doing it right. Maybe we should cut some slack now and see what happens.

Welcome on board, Slaven; I begrudgingly admired you at West Ham. Now instead of blowing bubbles, let's blow some smoke up the competition.......

Well...no, because we completely wasted a season and our best chance of bouncing back by them employing Moore instead of now Premier League manager, Dean Smith
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: adamw1109 on June 13, 2019, 05:53:56 PM
Well...no, because we completely wasted a season and our best chance of bouncing back by them employing Moore instead of now Premier League manager, Dean Smith

West brom and villa are two completely different set ups, what works for one may not work for another.

Ever thought that Dean Smith may have rejected us if he was approached?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on June 13, 2019, 05:54:19 PM
Exciting appointment for me. Comes across as a strong character too which is exactly what we need.

Was expecting the safe or cheap option but well done to the club for taking a different option. Risky but sometimes you need to go down that route. Lets hope he is backed by the board and fans during the big rebuild ahead.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 13, 2019, 06:26:50 PM
Looking forward to his first interview!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Windmill Baggy on June 13, 2019, 06:39:48 PM
Well...no, because we completely wasted a season and our best chance of bouncing back by them employing Moore instead of now Premier League manager, Dean Smith

So it was a DM or Dean Smith either or choice in your view? That seems a bit myopic. Even if we had approached Smith and he had accepted/been interested, how can you be sure he would have got us promoted?

Villa finished 4th last season and 5th this season. When Smith took over they were only 3 points off the play-offs. The only difference this season was under Smith they lucked out/decisions went their way in the play-offs while under Bruce the year before they narrowly lost to a decent Fulham side.

Villa's run end of season run was almost entirely down to the form of McGinn (a masterstroke of a signing by Bruce don't forget) and Grealish in the midfield. If even one of them had been injured/suspended for the play-offs they would not have been promoted.

He did absolutely nothing there last season that most managers wouldn't have done. I for one didn't want Smith and I'm glad we never appointed Smith.

As to Bilic, a think it is an excellent appointment. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but I still have no complaints. I fancy next season to be a memorable one and for the right reasons!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 13, 2019, 06:48:16 PM
I just know I'm properly excited for the first time in ages.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: barnestormer on June 13, 2019, 06:50:48 PM
 Great appointment in Bilic which will amount to jacks hit if the board doesn't back him like they didn't with DM
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 13, 2019, 06:56:38 PM
West brom and villa are two completely different set ups, what works for one may not work for another.

Ever thought that Dean Smith may have rejected us if he was approached?

I also think Smith would have left us for Villa given it is his dream job.

Very pleased with Bilic. Jokanovic was my first choice, but he obviously messed us around, so pleased with Bilic. Board and fans need to back him now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on June 13, 2019, 06:59:22 PM
Good luck to Billic Next Season will be great COYB
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 13, 2019, 07:08:29 PM
Hopefully it's a signal of intent. I'm pretty sure Bilic hasn't come here to penny pinch when it comes to the transfer market. He's a big name as far I'm concerned and that in itself will raise eyebrows. I'm looking forward to seeing how he moulds the squad and gets them playing on the attack.

One thing that cannot be said about Bilic is that he lacks a footballing identity.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 13, 2019, 07:15:21 PM
I just know I'm properly excited for the first time in ages.

Yes, I am reminded of Christmas when I was a kid  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggies on June 13, 2019, 07:26:08 PM
Glad the search is finally over, but not convinced by the choice. I fear people are being seduced by his name and by his excellent punditry (maybe like the club have been), rather than his lacklustre career in club management.

Nothing he has done so far suggests to me he is the right man to help spearhead the huge rebuild the club will be going through this season.

If Dowling can get the recruitment right, Bilic might be able to ride a wave with his man management skills, but if he can't get us a squad any better than the other top 10 contenders then I don't see Bilic being particularly better than the others around.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 13, 2019, 07:31:09 PM
World Cups, rock bands and law degrees: All you need to know about new West Brom boss Slaven Bilic

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/slaven-bilic-west-brom-boss-16382832.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: garry on June 13, 2019, 07:37:30 PM
Relieved!
Welcome Slaven - can't wait for the season to start - now let's get some transfers sorted.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: jimmyj on June 13, 2019, 07:37:59 PM
Looking forward to an influx of young Croation players desperate to play under their national footballing hero.  ;)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 13, 2019, 07:38:35 PM
Yes, I am reminded of Christmas when I was a kid  ;D

Haha yes! Plus change is being forced on us now, we are having to rebuild in the way we should have done for what, four seasons at least now?

There are a lot of unknown quantities in this coming season but I'm feeling optimistic for the first time in a long time.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 13, 2019, 07:39:20 PM
Looking forward to an influx of young Croation players desperate to play under their national footballing hero.  ;)

I hope. I've admired their national side since the days of Poborsky.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2019, 07:40:20 PM
I hope. I've admired their national side since the days of Poborsky.


Top trolling  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on June 13, 2019, 07:44:56 PM
I like the thought of Bilic as he's a big personality, has charisma and is seemingly a little bonkers which is great :)
Also the fact he really wanted to come here and was enthusiastic about the job was encouraging.
I do wonder what assurances he has been given for playing budget. I doubt he would come if there weren't assurances around what money will be available (the optimist in me speaking).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: keithowba86 on June 13, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
I hope. I've admired their national side since the days of Poborsky.

Didnt he play for czech republic?? :o
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 13, 2019, 07:56:31 PM

Top trolling  ;D


I'm a knob!!! Anyway that aside, I have admired them since.... er .... that same time!!!

Feel like I've milkshaked myself!  :-[
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on June 13, 2019, 08:08:39 PM

I'm a knob!!! Anyway that aside, I have admired them since.... er .... that same time!!!

Feel like I've milkshaked myself!  :-[
That meant something different when I was at school  :-X
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggie79 on June 13, 2019, 08:09:55 PM
Amazing news and glad they took the time to make sure they got the correct appointment. I have the Crotia home and away tops and the national flag upstairs, it looks like I will be breaking them out pretty soon  :P
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 13, 2019, 08:37:00 PM
I like this appointment. I look forward to a new broom sweeping clean. :D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on June 13, 2019, 08:40:13 PM
All this talk of Slaven, I was half expecting Jenkins and Dowling to pull a fast one and announce “Slaven has always been our number one target, and he fits all the criteria we had for the role ........... and we have admired Bernie since his days at Middlesbrough!” ;)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 13, 2019, 09:08:36 PM
All this talk of Slaven, I was half expecting Jenkins and Dowling to pull a fast one and announce “Slaven has always been our number one target, and he fits all the criteria we had for the role ........... and we have admired Bernie since his days at Middlesbrough!” ;)

Very funny!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on June 13, 2019, 09:57:59 PM
Wonder when he'll be presented to the media?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 13, 2019, 10:02:39 PM
Wonder when he'll be presented to the media?

Sure I saw something earlier that it could be Monday as he in Croatia at the moment
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AbbeymeadBaggie on June 13, 2019, 10:04:16 PM
My first post.

Yes why not.

Slaven for the long overdue rebuild, possibly from our youth, possibly from young aspiring Croats.

Regret - immediately appointed after DM = promotion

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wba_1996 on June 13, 2019, 10:04:58 PM
At last, something interesting happens at this football club.

Bilic is far from the most technical and tactically astute head coach around, but I'm over the moon that we've got someone into the club with knowledge of football outside of this country. Need to back him in the transfer market now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Westie on June 13, 2019, 11:33:46 PM
I wish him all the best, I can’t say that I envy him working for Lai and Jenkins. Hopefully, though, we’ll see some entertaining football. I would have preferred Adkins or Pearson but not unhappy with this. Welcome Slaven, and good luck!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on June 14, 2019, 04:58:41 AM
Happy with the appointment but as he is likely to try and sign at least a few foreign players I’m a bit concerned his wings might be clipped post Brexit depending on any new employment rules for Europeans. If so this window might be the only one he can get the players he wants. Anybody more knowledgeable than me on this ?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: overseas baggie on June 14, 2019, 07:12:12 AM
Happy with the appointment but as he is likely to try and sign at least a few foreign players I’m a bit concerned his wings might be clipped post Brexit depending on any new employment rules for Europeans. If so this window might be the only one he can get the players he wants. Anybody more knowledgeable than me on this ?

Brexit won’t be a huge issue for football.  It just means that European players will need work permits instead of automatically having a right to work in the UK.  There will be minimum criteria required to be met to get a work permit, so some lower level European players won’t meet that criteria, but that’s the main difference that we will see.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: cewba on June 14, 2019, 07:19:41 AM
very pleased with this development, a nice rebuild now with our new man backed to the hilt will make me a very  happy baggie
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on June 14, 2019, 08:07:39 AM
Bilic wouldn't have been my choice due to the huge rebuild needed and the fact he's never been near the dog fight we find ourselves in at this level .
That said he's here now and adds a freshness the club has needed , I only hope he is backed with some decent funds.
Welcome Slav and good luck.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 14, 2019, 08:47:57 AM
Looking forward to the next season now
COYB
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on June 14, 2019, 08:52:23 AM
I'm pleased with this appointment. In fact , it's the best coach we could have signed.

the other names mentioned would have been interesting but they all had problems with them.

Labbida has never managed in this country, Cowley has never managed at this level, Monk has never really achieved anything, Wilder was never going to leave Sheffield.

So all in all this is the best we could have got.  If he could talk Rondon in staying, Gayle to take a cut in wages, Leicester to part with Harvey Barnes, Fulham to release Johannson and Everton to release Holgate , we could be walking this league next season !!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: phbaggies on June 14, 2019, 09:06:28 AM
3 months later than it should have been but we got there in the end! The other winner out of this saga is Alex Neil, he got himself a tidy pay rise out of Preston from his link to us!  ;)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on June 14, 2019, 09:12:17 AM
Bilic wouldn't have been my choice due to the huge rebuild needed and the fact he's never been near the dog fight we find ourselves in at this level .
That said he's here now and adds a freshness the club has needed , I only hope he is backed with some decent funds.
Welcome Slav and good luck.

You have stolen my thoughts. Whilst I am optimistic and happy with the appointment, a small part of me is nervous about the work that's needed to actually rebuild this squad once the wage bill has been reduced.

That being said, Slav seems an interesting character and I cant for one second think he would have taken this job without reassurances on being back in the transfer window.

Over to you again Dowling and Jenkins, time to back the bloke you want in the job and give him a fighting chance of getting us back up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on June 14, 2019, 09:23:01 AM
You have stolen my thoughts. Whilst I am optimistic and happy with the appointment, a small part of me is nervous about the work that's needed to actually rebuild this squad once the wage bill has been reduced.

That being said, Slav seems an interesting character and I cant for one second think he would have taken this job without reassurances on being back in the transfer window.

Over to you again Dowling and Jenkins, time to back the bloke you want in the job and give him a fighting chance of getting us back up.
Dowling has to be involved in the recruitment as much as Bilic as we have to have some sort of strategy that will continue beyond Bilic's tenure. He must have been the main voice in decisions like releasing Morrison and Barry and despite press mutterings about they could theoretically be taken back on that should not happen (even in the unlikely scenario of Bilic saying he strongly wants one or both of these).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: cornishbaggie on June 14, 2019, 10:10:54 AM
I asked a mate of mine, who has a season ticket at West Ham, what he thought of Bilic...

"Absolutely loved the guy. The Payet situation and Sullivan trying to control player signings screwed him over. I think he could be great for you. I'll be following you next season."

Personally, I am absolutely delighted. After Pulis, Pardew and then what the club did to DM I'd fallen out of love with the club and football.

For the first time since Roy Hodgson, I'm actually excited about the future of the club.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 14, 2019, 10:27:30 AM
Happy with the appointment but as he is likely to try and sign at least a few foreign players I’m a bit concerned his wings might be clipped post Brexit depending on any new employment rules for Europeans. If so this window might be the only one he can get the players he wants. Anybody more knowledgeable than me on this ?

We have always had trouble getting work permits for players when other clubs have no problem at all,..so it shouldn't affect us anymore than it already does.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pelada on June 14, 2019, 10:46:34 AM
I would imagine that in the negotiations, Bilic would have made it clear that he has the final say and control over players. Hopefully he goes in and rips out deadwood and the old pals brigade that has clung on to contracts and stole a living from this football club by outstaying their welcome for far too long.

We need to be astute in the loan market for sure but let’s get the high wages out and the bring some youth through and hunger in.

Reece Oxford as the first one through the door would be a promising sign and a signal that young players have a future at this football club.

We desperately could do with a couple of midfielders who can help us become a possession based team again- anyone you think could be on Slavs radar from his past that could be thy player?

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Jack Thrust on June 14, 2019, 11:32:05 AM
New article up on the official site:

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/)


Bilić on Championship ambitions and Albion traditions

Slaven Bilić has made it clear he is relishing his first crack at a competition he describes as “the essence of football".

The 50-year-old Croatian was confirmed as Albion's new Head Coach on Thursday and, despite a career which has taken him all over Europe and to two European Championships at both club and international level, the season approaching will be his first taste of the Championship.

It is a division which he says has long fascinated him - “my friends will tell you it has been on my bucket list” - and the chance to take it on with the Baggies was hugely appealing.

Bilić said: “First of all, my friends know, and my fellow coaches know, not just here in Croatia but throughout Europe, that the Championship was always a competition that was on my bucket list.

“This is a common view and not just with me, I assure you. This is a view held by many coaches all over Europe.

“It is like the real essence of football; it is a proper league and when I get the chance to manage one of the strongest clubs in this division, it was an easy decision to make.

“I’ve played in England, I’ve managed in England. I know the club, I know West Bromwich Albion and its history, its traditions. I know their story.”
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on June 14, 2019, 11:36:20 AM
New article up on the official site:

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/)


Bilić on Championship ambitions and Albion traditions

Slaven Bilić has made it clear he is relishing his first crack at a competition he describes as “the essence of football".

The 50-year-old Croatian was confirmed as Albion's new Head Coach on Thursday and, despite a career which has taken him all over Europe and to two European Championships at both club and international level, the season approaching will be his first taste of the Championship.

It is a division which he says has long fascinated him - “my friends will tell you it has been on my bucket list” - and the chance to take it on with the Baggies was hugely appealing.

Bilić said: “First of all, my friends know, and my fellow coaches know, not just here in Croatia but throughout Europe, that the Championship was always a competition that was on my bucket list.

“This is a common view and not just with me, I assure you. This is a view held by many coaches all over Europe.

“It is like the real essence of football; it is a proper league and when I get the chance to manage one of the strongest clubs in this division, it was an easy decision to make.

“I’ve played in England, I’ve managed in England. I know the club, I know West Bromwich Albion and its history, its traditions. I know their story.”

haha yeah ok, I believe you  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 14, 2019, 12:22:50 PM
I'm pleased with this appointment. In fact , it's the best coach we could have signed.

the other names mentioned would have been interesting but they all had problems with them.

Labbida has never managed in this country, Cowley has never managed at this level, Monk has never really achieved anything, Wilder was never going to leave Sheffield.

So all in all this is the best we could have got.  If he could talk Rondon in staying, Gayle to take a cut in wages, Leicester to part with Harvey Barnes, Fulham to release Johannson and Everton to release Holgate , we could be walking this league next season !!!
If he could do that the government should employ him to resolve world peace, famine and brexit!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on June 14, 2019, 12:37:05 PM
If he could do that the government should employ him to resolve world peace, famine and brexit!!

Well he couldn't do any worse than the idiots who are trying to do it now !!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on June 14, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
I would imagine that in the negotiations, Bilic would have made it clear that he has the final say and control over players. Hopefully he goes in and rips out deadwood and the old pals brigade that has clung on to contracts and stole a living from this football club by outstaying their welcome for far too long.

We need to be astute in the loan market for sure but let’s get the high wages out and the bring some youth through and hunger in.

Reece Oxford as the first one through the door would be a promising sign and a signal that young players have a future at this football club.

We desperately could do with a couple of midfielders who can help us become a possession based team again- anyone you think could be on Slavs radar from his past that could be thy player?

Mark Noble - new captain  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 14, 2019, 02:46:20 PM
My first post.

Yes why not.

Slaven for the long overdue rebuild, possibly from our youth, possibly from young aspiring Croats.

Regret - immediately appointed after DM = promotion

Welcome aboard, what took you so long?  :D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: koren on June 14, 2019, 03:00:34 PM
Welcome Slaven. :)
Passionate and attacking-mind coach, hope it would be a good appointment.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on June 14, 2019, 03:11:45 PM
Mark Noble - new captain  ;D

Looking at West Ham players he has managed before, we could do a lot worse than taking Sam Byram off their hands.

I'm sure he was on our radar before his initial move there, spent last season out on loan at Forest (made 9 appearances but I haven't looked into if injuries limited that). Bilic was the one who signed him at West Ham.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: albion59 on June 14, 2019, 03:27:59 PM
Looks like Julian Dicks is joining him! That will put a stop to any player power!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pie on June 14, 2019, 04:16:17 PM
Looks like Julian Dicks is joining him! That will put a stop to any player power!!

Looking at his coaching career it doesn't add up to much - currently manager of Isthmian League North Division club Heybridge Swifts.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on June 14, 2019, 04:20:51 PM
Looking at his coaching career it doesn't add up to much - currently manager of Isthmian League North Division club Heybridge Swifts.

I don't think he will hired for his coaching skills ............  Just to keep the players in line !!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggieboyfred on June 14, 2019, 06:00:23 PM
If he gets the right tools I reckon he could do the job as well as any other of the candidates in the frame, biggest problem is whether he will get those tools, but I am sure the fans will be behind him, we are not stupid and we know when a manager is not up to the job or he is being shafted by the club hierarchy and will let them know accordingly, but certainly a few more nights such as we had against the villa 2nd leg will not go amiss, if we can replicate that a few times at least we will be doing our bit
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: bradleysrocket on June 14, 2019, 06:01:33 PM
Looking at his coaching career it doesn't add up to much - currently manager of Isthmian League North Division club Heybridge Swifts.
He was a coach for Bilic during his stint at West Ham , clearly did enough for Slaven to give him the call again.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on June 14, 2019, 08:05:43 PM
If Julian isn't up to it at least we can all chant "Dicks out now!!"
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: fatboy_coach on June 14, 2019, 08:26:25 PM
New article up on the official site:

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/)


Bilić on Championship ambitions and Albion traditions

Slaven Bilić has made it clear he is relishing his first crack at a competition he describes as “the essence of football".

The 50-year-old Croatian was confirmed as Albion's new Head Coach on Thursday and, despite a career which has taken him all over Europe and to two European Championships at both club and international level, the season approaching will be his first taste of the Championship.

It is a division which he says has long fascinated him - “my friends will tell you it has been on my bucket list” - and the chance to take it on with the Baggies was hugely appealing.

Bilić said: “First of all, my friends know, and my fellow coaches know, not just here in Croatia but throughout Europe, that the Championship was always a competition that was on my bucket list.

“This is a common view and not just with me, I assure you. This is a view held by many coaches all over Europe.

“It is like the real essence of football; it is a proper league and when I get the chance to manage one of the strongest clubs in this division, it was an easy decision to make.

“I’ve played in England, I’ve managed in England. I know the club, I know West Bromwich Albion and its history, its traditions. I know their story.”

I'm hoping he means Goran has told him all about us  :P 8) Welcome Slav, bring it on!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BalisPen on June 14, 2019, 09:46:42 PM
If Julian isn't up to it at least we can all chant "Dicks out now!!"

This reminds me of Jacobs on talksport a couple of weeks ago when he said England have to get De Ko ck out when we were playing South Africa, very funny and definitely a man thing as the missus didn't find it funny.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 14, 2019, 09:47:16 PM
My only concern is how he'll shape the squad. His transfer record at West Ham was quite poor. So it'll be an interesting summer, I'm certainly going to give him the benefit of the doubt though.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 14, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
My only concern is how he'll shape the squad. His transfer record at West Ham was quite poor. So it'll be an interesting summer, I'm certainly going to give him the benefit of the doubt though.


Multiple sources/leaks suggest he had very little say over transfers at West Ham.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on June 14, 2019, 10:58:14 PM
My only concern is how he'll shape the squad. His transfer record at West Ham was quite poor. So it'll be an interesting summer, I'm certainly going to give him the benefit of the doubt though.

I think Dowling will be as big an influence on our signings as Bilic, though theyll hopefully be agreeing and working together more often than not. Rightly so, Dowling has done a good job so far imo and his role is designed so that we have a long term vision/some consistency as managers come and go.

With Bilic in charge of matters on the pitch and Dowling overseeing transfers, I'm starting to feel excited for next season. Think some good times lie ahead.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionBest on June 15, 2019, 08:18:13 AM
Welcome Slav.

Like the look of this appointment. He will add a much needed positive buzz around the place and hopefully shake things up where they are needed.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2019, 05:18:13 PM
Need him in that office now as soon as possible to start shaping our squad
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 16, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Need him in that office now as soon as possible to start shaping our squad

“If he gets the job today he can't do much without the players here, who I understand are on holiday.
I would imagine he needs to assess the players, speak to them, outline his plan for the future then ask who's in and who's off.
Once he's done that he can see what he needs and who's available.
I would imagine that all other players are on holiday as well so he couldn't speak to proposed transfers.
I don't think there's any need to panic yet.”

That’s a bit of change from earlier  ;)


Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: garry on June 16, 2019, 06:33:34 PM
New article up on the official site:

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-on-championship-ambitions-and-albion-traditions/)


Bilić on Championship ambitions and Albion traditions

Slaven Bilić has made it clear he is relishing his first crack at a competition he describes as “the essence of football".

The 50-year-old Croatian was confirmed as Albion's new Head Coach on Thursday and, despite a career which has taken him all over Europe and to two European Championships at both club and international level, the season approaching will be his first taste of the Championship.

It is a division which he says has long fascinated him - “my friends will tell you it has been on my bucket list” - and the chance to take it on with the Baggies was hugely appealing.

Bilić said: “First of all, my friends know, and my fellow coaches know, not just here in Croatia but throughout Europe, that the Championship was always a competition that was on my bucket list.

“This is a common view and not just with me, I assure you. This is a view held by many coaches all over Europe.

“It is like the real essence of football; it is a proper league and when I get the chance to manage one of the strongest clubs in this division, it was an easy decision to make.

“I’ve played in England, I’ve managed in England. I know the club, I know West Bromwich Albion and its history, its traditions. I know their story.”

We are Slaven's Bucket List Army!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2019, 09:01:43 PM
That list PAILS into insignificance
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 16, 2019, 10:08:39 PM
What's your handle?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: sammyg on June 17, 2019, 09:04:31 AM
So Matt Wilson has said that we expect to announce 2 of Bilic’ backroom staff today, after appointments over the weekend. Any idea who these could be?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smosher34 on June 17, 2019, 10:19:23 AM
Juilan Dicks will be one of them.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on June 17, 2019, 11:45:16 AM
Juilan Dicks will be one of them.
Can we bring him on just to take penalties?
What makes you think this? have they worked together before? Not heard of Dicks since he packed in playing to be honest. Wouldn't think he would suffer fools gladly though, unless he's mellowed as a coach.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 17, 2019, 03:57:26 PM
I was hoping Bilic and the backroom staff would officially be unveiled today.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 17, 2019, 03:58:58 PM
I was hoping Bilic and the backroom staff would officially be unveiled today.

He has commitments this week (holidays) and will be unveiled next week, I understand
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 17, 2019, 04:39:16 PM
Dam European managers coming over here taking British manager's jobs  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: albion59 on June 17, 2019, 07:47:22 PM
Can we bring him on just to take penalties?
What makes you think this? have they worked together before? Not heard of Dicks since he packed in playing to be honest. Wouldn't think he would suffer fools gladly though, unless he's mellowed as a coach.
It was in the press last week. He was with Bilic at West Ham.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on June 17, 2019, 08:17:53 PM
Julian Dicks manages Heybridge Swifts who play in the fifth division of the Isthmian League North. Can't see us matching their transfer budget or compo' demands. Time to move on to the next target before getting our hopes up, and as for landing that twenty plus goal striker of theirs we've got no chance.........
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on June 18, 2019, 08:07:52 AM
When are we to see Bilic working for us?
Other clubs are signing players,what are we doing?
It seems we are reactive not proactive,its like were waiting for offers for our players but not looking for new ones.
I expected some action anybody itk?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 18, 2019, 09:25:42 AM
When are we to see Bilic working for us?
Other clubs are signing players,what are we doing?
It seems we are reactive not proactive,its like were waiting for offers for our players but not looking for new ones.
I expected some action anybody itk?

I'm most definitely not itk.... but have a gut feeling it's all going to kick off for us next week. Don't know why....
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: timdon on June 18, 2019, 09:28:54 AM
So Matt Wilson has said that we expect to announce 2 of Bilic’ backroom staff today, after appointments over the weekend. Any idea who these could be?
No idea..............but then neither does Matt Wilson. Wrong again Matt, one day you will guess right.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 18, 2019, 11:17:53 AM
Lads, can we keep this topic about Bilic please. I know there are valid reason for Lai being discussed but those discussions have already been discussed elsewhere  and so to avoid multiple topics have the same discussions can it be moved to the following one please -

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=15777.0
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 18, 2019, 11:45:39 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/june/bili-recruits-assistants

Slaven Bilić has made his first appointments as Albion’s Head Coach by recruiting two assistants from his Croatian homeland to his coaching team.

Slaven will take charge of pre-season training when the players return next week with Dean Računica and Danilo Butorović at his side.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pie on June 18, 2019, 12:01:32 PM
Sound like interesting appointments - good to see a couple more fresh faces come in to shake up the coaching side.

I like the sound of DANILO BUTOROVIĆ - multi lingual and  "expertise in technology and analysis will see him focusing particularly on pre-match preparation, recruitment and training preparations and assessment."

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 18, 2019, 12:02:56 PM
Sound like interesting appointments - good to see a couple more fresh faces come in to shake up the coaching side.

I like the sound of DANILO BUTOROVIĆ - multi lingual and  "expertise in technology and analysis will see him focusing particularly on pre-match preparation, recruitment and training preparations and assessment."

Sounds like Moneyball...
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on June 18, 2019, 12:03:22 PM
Where's Julian Dicks?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on June 18, 2019, 12:05:27 PM
Julian Dicks manages Heybridge Swifts who play in the fifth division of the Isthmian League North. Can't see us matching their transfer budget or compo' demands. Time to move on to the next target before getting our hopes up, and as for landing that twenty plus goal striker of theirs we've got no chance.........
Fair point.
However, Woodard Wanderers, of the "Bob a Job" League, District 9, have just parted company with their half time orange slicer, Joe "Zico" Jones. Rumour has it he's "still got it" even with 85 years on his clock. Could be worth a cheeky bid.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiebof on June 18, 2019, 12:16:24 PM
From the sounds of things, Dean Racunia, is more of a long time adviser to Bilic looking at the posts he held when they worked together with the national team, although some individualised player work is referenced. The fact he has been out in Australia suggests he will be able to speak English. Danilo Butorovic sounds like he will be doing more of the technical analysis stuff and I dare say he'll be looking after set-pieces. Good to hear of a modern coach working in there and I'd imagine he will work well with Shan. Shan has been retained so it suggests that both he and Bilic will carry out much of the physical coaching. Good that Shan will still be involved in my view, clearly seems like a talented coach and a decent chap to boot. Financially it makes sense to retain some backroom staff so that you are not always paying out lots  every time a manager is sacked however this seems a good balance as it is good to have fresh faces, voices and ideas.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 18, 2019, 12:33:57 PM
From the sounds of things, Dean Racunia, is more of a long time adviser to Bilic looking at the posts he held when they worked together with the national team, although some individualised player work is referenced. The fact he has been out in Australia suggests he will be able to speak English. Danilo Butorovic sounds like he will be doing more of the technical analysis stuff and I dare say he'll be looking after set-pieces. Good to hear of a modern coach working in there and I'd imagine he will work well with Shan. Shan has been retained so it suggests that both he and Bilic will carry out much of the physical coaching. Good that Shan will still be involved in my view, clearly seems like a talented coach and a decent chap to boot. Financially it makes sense to retain some backroom staff so that you are not always paying out lots  every time a manager is sacked however this seems a good balance as it is good to have fresh faces, voices and ideas.

There is a large Croatian population in Australia though.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 18, 2019, 01:10:06 PM
Most Croatians speak decent english in my experience. I deal with lots of people from Eastern Europe.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiebof on June 18, 2019, 01:18:59 PM
There is a large Croatian population in Australia though.

Of course but as assistant manager of Melbourne Knights you'd think maybe he had to use English. As VANDERLEI says, he probably speaks English in any case. To be honest I only mentioned it as with Butorovic the press release mentioned he is multi-lingual.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 18, 2019, 01:30:40 PM
Danilo Butorovic sounds like he will be doing more of the technical analysis stuff and I dare say he'll be looking after set-pieces.

Apart from old-man Brunt we don't have any one who can take a free kick!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 18, 2019, 03:05:29 PM
For the first time in years i am actually starting to feel excited about Albion. The coaches seem to be actually progressive and not the usual dinosaurs/ nice guys we employ.
I hope the owner and indeed the fans back them all the way, even if they get off to a slow start.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: MarkW on June 18, 2019, 03:24:10 PM
Interesting that Dean Racunica is listed as a scout for Bilic's old club. Will be interesting to see how he and Dowling work together
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiebof on June 18, 2019, 04:02:29 PM
Apart from old-man Brunt we don't have any one who can take a free kick!

I actually meant the setup and routines for set-pieces but agree, not many set-piece specialists. Phillips is decent on corners to be fair.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 18, 2019, 04:05:48 PM
I think there will be wheeling and dealing in the European divisions, we won't have three Croations fluent in languages and then sign all British players.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on June 19, 2019, 05:04:13 PM
Its a very quiet from our new head coaches ay it?
Its all gone a bit flat after the initial appointments.
What's going on anyone know?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on June 19, 2019, 05:29:49 PM
Its a very quiet from our new head coaches ay it?
Its all gone a bit flat after the initial appointments.
What's going on anyone know?

He’s on holiday.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on June 19, 2019, 08:01:45 PM
He’s on holiday.

He's only been back at work two days and he's on friggin holiday?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on June 19, 2019, 08:15:23 PM
It'd better be a working holiday,I expect him and the team to hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 19, 2019, 09:04:24 PM
He's not been in the UK at all since we appointed him. He will be unveiled next week when he returns from his pre-arranged holidays.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 20, 2019, 09:18:53 PM
Im really pleased with Slaven, and allowing him to bring in two of his own coaches is very pleasing.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on June 20, 2019, 09:37:58 PM
Apart from old-man Brunt we don't have any one who can take a free kick!
Brunt can put it in a dangerous area from a crossed free kick but as far as hitting the target from a direct free kick...he can't control his shooting.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 21, 2019, 10:07:13 AM
Yep, there is a complete deficit in shooting free kick takers.  If we assume Barry has gone and Phillips will go (1 year left on his contract) then it's a talent that is missing from our team... and the 1 remaining player with that talent (Brunt) is too old to play 90 minutes in most games ('because he'll have got 2 bookings by then!)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 21, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
The game is supposed to be more technical these days, yet there is a shortage of players who can do basic things like take a free kick, head the ball or play with both feet. How about a winger continually skinning a back on the outside? Haven't seen that in years.
Pampered overpaid prima donnars that's what they are.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 21, 2019, 07:23:16 PM
Does anyone know when slavs press conference is?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: 17GD on June 21, 2019, 08:09:51 PM
Does anyone know when slavs press conference is?

Possibly next week. Matt Wilson did say that Slavs on holiday at the moment I think. I'll try and find the story.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: MarkW on June 22, 2019, 09:40:00 AM
The game is supposed to be more technical these days, yet there is a shortage of players who can do basic things like take a free kick, head the ball or play with both feet. How about a winger continually skinning a back on the outside? Haven't seen that in years.
Pampered overpaid prima donnars that's what they are.

Without wanting to go too off-topic, all these things still exist, it's just that the English game in particular has developed to play at such a fast pace that many players end up getting selected for their physical attributes rather than technical.

In terms of wingers, the old fashioned winter you refer to does still exist, but are less common because football is always evolving and systems and styles are constantly changing to out compete one another. You obviously know that old formations were akin to 2-3-5, and then you had the W-M and M-W formations which were the next progression. Managers are constantly look for where there is space on the pitch to be exploited, so while there may not be room on the outside for a winger, an inverted winger, wide 10, or inside forward may have more success, such as David Silva, Juan Mata, or Leo Messi.

The game changes, and you have to adapt to survive
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 22, 2019, 10:11:39 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

Slaven Bilic’s appointment last week led to a little surge in season ticket sales. Now more than 16,000 seats sold.

A couple of other tidbits in that piece. Dowling told sponsors this week that #wba are keen to keep Jay Rod (who has a £10m release clause) and Bilic wants to look at Gareth Barry once he returns from his knee injury

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/22/slaven-bilic-appointment-leads-to-surge-in-season-ticket-sales/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 22, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
Does anyone know when slavs press conference is?

From Matt Wilson’s E&S article

“Bilic is due to be officially unveiled on Monday, the first day of pre-season, after meeting his new players in the morning.”
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 22, 2019, 10:37:59 AM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

Slaven Bilic’s appointment last week led to a little surge in season ticket sales. Now more than 16,000 seats sold.

A couple of other tidbits in that piece. Dowling told sponsors this week that #wba are keen to keep Jay Rod (who has a £10m release clause) and Bilic wants to look at Gareth Barry once he returns from his knee injury

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/22/slaven-bilic-appointment-leads-to-surge-in-season-ticket-sales/

Read this and my heart sank a little we really have to move on. Slaven you are 50 you can't have players you played against in your squad it is almost not natural.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 22, 2019, 10:42:23 AM
I think the revelation that Albion are keen to hold on to Rodriguez should finally dispel this myth that the club are trying to run on the cheap.

The reality is that we have to be more careful about what we spend but that doesn't mean we can't still pay decent wages for this division. J Rod isn't on peanuts. It would also indicate the club realise they need to retain a level of experience amongst the playing staff while bringing in hopefully, fresh, younger talent.

All that is positive to me.

Personally I would like to see Hegazi and Rodriguez stay because that's experience in two areas of the team up front and in defence. It's important that the spine of the team has a level of experience and know how.

The likes of Dawson, Livermore, Gibbs, Robson - Kanu, Phillips I wouldn't be bothered about losing as long as we can bring in the replacements we need. Personally I'd let Gareth Barry go. He's 38 and had another knee operation. One step too far for me.



Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 22, 2019, 10:50:32 AM
Read this and my heart sank a little we really have to move on. Slaven you are 50 you can't have players you played against in your squad it is almost not natural.

I think you may be reading too much into that Stan. A fit Barry is a good asset but we can't afford to carry players anymore.
Of course Bilic will want to look at him before deciding if he wants him, as he will with all our players.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 22, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
Surely the issue with regards a player of GB’s age is not ability it’s pace/ stamina / durability, these issues are not likely to be evident when a”taking a look “ at the player.
This is where a head coach has to be supported by a strong medical team that can make recommendations based upon data
Let’s hope Slav will get the correct information to base a decision upon, and not “just take a look”
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 22, 2019, 12:53:23 PM
Of course he will ask advice from the physio, take a look is just a short way of putting it. He will weigh up a lot of other things too, wages for one, can we afford a player who spends half the season out injured?
A fit Barry is a real boost to the club, but age works against us all i am afraid.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hardtobeat on June 22, 2019, 01:42:28 PM
Could be he sees Barry as a leader/captain in a squad that is short in people of that ilk but needs to know if he will be able to be active in that role?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 22, 2019, 01:47:21 PM
Was our best midfielder (Barnes apart) over the course of last season, for me would be massively dependant on wages as to have both Barry and Brunt competing for the same position (no competition to be honest as Brunt is not suited to that role) on big wages is a mistake when those wages could be used elsewhere.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 22, 2019, 02:06:02 PM
Was our best midfielder (Barnes apart) over the course of last season, for me would be massively dependant on wages as to have both Barry and Brunt competing for the same position (no competition to be honest as Brunt is not suited to that role) on big wages is a mistake when those wages could be used elsewhere.


It clearly is competition because Brunt keeps on being picked there.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 22, 2019, 02:16:56 PM

It clearly is competition because Brunt keeps on being picked there.

But it shouldn't be and its obvious to nearly all of us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 22, 2019, 02:25:17 PM
Don't mind Slaven having a look at Barry, Morrison who was a great signing would be a bridge to far. Keeping jrod seems sensible if we can't get Gayle.
Hope he utilises our blossoming youth academy before looking to get loan signings for pre season and season to come.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 22, 2019, 03:08:30 PM
But it shouldn't be and its obvious to nearly all of us.

Who is it that doesn't see it...

I wouldn't be against Barry if we can get 20+ games out of him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 22, 2019, 03:19:29 PM
I don’t understand the automatic “No” in regards to Barry.

After Barnes he was our best midfield player last season.

Yes we can’t pay big wages but if we could manage Barry correctly and offered him a one year deal on say £15,000 a week I would say that’s good value for money.

Bilic has to at least have a look at him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on June 22, 2019, 03:21:29 PM
Don't mind Slaven having a look at Barry, Morrison who was a great signing would be a bridge to far. Keeping jrod seems sensible if we can't get Gayle.
Hope he utilises our blossoming youth academy before looking to get loan signings for pre season and season to come.

Hope Bilic gives some kids a chance but the most important thing is that they are good enough to step up to warrant a chance. No point him giving kids a go regularly if they are not good enough.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on June 22, 2019, 04:43:15 PM
Who is it that doesn't see it...

I wouldn't be against Barry if we can get 20+ games out of him.

He's a class act who has lost his staminer for a full 90+ min game but not his pass our is head for the game. I would have him on a 12 month contract at a reduced pay with a bonus if he plays over x amount of games.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 22, 2019, 04:58:00 PM
Hope Bilic gives some kids a chance but the most important thing is that they are good enough to step up to warrant a chance. No point him giving kids a go regularly if they are not good enough.
don't know what these youngsters have to do to get a run of games, some of the dross they got in on short term contracts or on loan didn't pull up many trees last season and what I've seen of our kids they wouldnt have been worse so I'd be hoping that they are given a fair chance.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 24, 2019, 09:40:00 AM
Nice to see the images of him arriving this morning. Let's get down to business...
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on June 24, 2019, 10:23:21 AM
Nice to see the images of him arriving this morning. Let's get down to business...

Welcome boss
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 24, 2019, 11:14:44 AM
Has he held the scarf up yet? Kindly donated by Chairman Lai.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 24, 2019, 04:08:01 PM
Presser in about 20 mins
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 24, 2019, 04:47:59 PM
Bilić saying all the right things but not much substance from Dowling yet.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on June 24, 2019, 05:24:05 PM
Bilić saying all the right things but not much substance from Dowling yet.
Is there a livestream? 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: 17GD on June 24, 2019, 05:29:22 PM
Dowling started by saying they did a thorough search and they knew as soon as they met Slaven that they wanted him in charge.

Some quotes from Slaven's press conference:

"What makes this club massive is its history and its fans. It's not a five-year-old club, it's not an investment club, it's a traditional club, a family club. We're going to try and get into the Premier League this year. That's where this club belongs."

"It's not easy to play here. It's one of those clubs you can use the atmosphere to help you. I could feel the atmosphere in that second game against Villa through the telly. This is proper football."

He will be given money to spend, but there was no sum mentioned.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 24, 2019, 06:57:57 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48751278

West Brom boss says 'it isn't going to be boring, that's for sure'.
Yeah !!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 24, 2019, 07:47:25 PM
Is there a livestream?


On OS now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Westie on June 24, 2019, 08:30:40 PM
I wonder how he was persuaded to come to us? What sort of transfer policy will he be allowed? It doesn’t bode well when the Club’s owner is too mean to even attempt to retain our top scorer from last season. If we’re no better than fourth in the league at Christmas, will Bilic get the sack?

LAI OUT ASAP
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on June 24, 2019, 09:00:58 PM

On OS now.
He sounded like he was genuinely pleased to be here. I think he will command alot of respect in the dressing room. He comes across as someone with the personality to get the best out of players.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 24, 2019, 09:12:56 PM
 I have witnessed some big appointments in my 55 years supporting The Albion and have a nice feeling this is right up there.
He needs backing now and everyone pulling in the right direction.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 24, 2019, 09:39:51 PM
He sounded like he was genuinely pleased to be here. I think he will command alot of respect in the dressing room. He comes across as someone with the personality to get the best out of players.
I agree with that Alex, and to be fair I thought that Dowling came over well too. Lets hope that they can work well together.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 24, 2019, 10:03:14 PM
I expected Dowling to be pressed more about incomings, and to lay out with some substance, the thinking on recruitment and the urgency needed to make us competitive on August 3rd.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 24, 2019, 10:46:56 PM
The thing that struck me most about the press conference, other than Slaven's sincerity, was the indication that there may not be the mass exodus a lot of us were expecting. It came across very much that the current squad that we have here seem happy and contented and nobody seems to be chomping at the bit to leave. There is definitely a very marked contrast in Dawson's demeanour, for example.

Is this a good thing? Well yes it has to be. The squad does need freshening up, we need to bring in energy, creativity and we need numbers in certain areas but it makes life easier when you can pick and choose who you want and who you don't want rather than having changes forced upon you and then you have to react to them leaving you no solid base to work from.

Very positive signs.

Nothing for me to moan about .......... yet.  ;)

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 24, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
The thing that struck me most about the press conference, other than Slaven's sincerity, was the indication that there may not be the mass exodus a lot of us were expecting. It came across very much that the current squad that we have here seem happy and contented and nobody seems to be chomping at the bit to leave. There is definitely a very marked contrast in Dawson's demeanour, for example.

Is this a good thing? Well yes it has to be. The squad does need freshening up, we need to bring in energy, creativity and we need numbers in certain areas but it makes life easier when you can pick and choose who you want and who you don't want rather than having changes forced upon you and then you have to react to them leaving you no solid base to work from.

Very positive signs.

Nothing for me to moan about .......... yet.  ;)


The mass exodus has already happened. 6 loans and 5 released plus Harper makes a 12 player deficit. All before we find out what's going to happen with Rodriguez and Dawson.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 25, 2019, 01:01:55 AM
Bilic is as ever an impressive media performer which is fine and dandy gives us all a warm glow but in the overall scheme of things not all that important. I am pleased he is here making all the right noises.

With regard to transfers both Dowling and Bilic know enough not to be too specific given that circumstances can quickly make today's declaration of intent look like tomorrow's pipe dream. A lot does depend on the whether or not the existing squad leaves en-masse. While there is a huge amount of speculation and even clubs making enquiries about some of our players until there is an offer on the table there is nothing to talk about.

I have long maintained that our players aren't that attractive to many Premier League clubs they are relatively old and expensive for the quality they would bring to most Premier League squads and for the most part they are not coming in as first choice. That is not to say there won't be players leaving nor that we don't need reinforcements in any event but maybe it won't be starting almost from scratch.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on June 25, 2019, 07:07:52 AM
Good press conference and a lot of positivity from both Slaven and the club. The one part that amused me was Dowling mentioning that they were always looking to make an appointment one month after the vile game etc. Again this is all about communications, why couldn’t the club come out with a simple one liner to this effect? It would have cut down on the cabin fever big time!

I am now looking forward to next season COYB!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBArgo on June 25, 2019, 08:13:16 AM
The thing that struck me most about the press conference, other than Slaven's sincerity, was the indication that there may not be the mass exodus a lot of us were expecting. It came across very much that the current squad that we have here seem happy and contented and nobody seems to be chomping at the bit to leave. There is definitely a very marked contrast in Dawson's demeanour, for example.

Is this a good thing? Well yes it has to be. The squad does need freshening up, we need to bring in energy, creativity and we need numbers in certain areas but it makes life easier when you can pick and choose who you want and who you don't want rather than having changes forced upon you and then you have to react to them leaving you no solid base to work from.

Very positive signs.

Nothing for me to moan about .......... yet.  ;)

For the short term, yes it's definitely a good thing. The cynic in me worries for the long term though. For instance, if we failed to go up with Slaven after spending even more money then we could wind up like Bolton if we don't watch it.
It makes me a bit uneasy as I expected purse strings to be far tighter - I just hope our finances aren't being funded by big loans against the club with big interest.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: pete on June 25, 2019, 08:15:37 AM
He impressed me when he used the term "We" from last year as though he felt our thoughts & feelings. Seems to me like he cares and I believe he is building a team for the next 5 years and not just for the next season!

Im feeling VERY positive!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on June 25, 2019, 09:42:39 AM
The thing that struck me most about the press conference, other than Slaven's sincerity, was the indication that there may not be the mass exodus a lot of us were expecting. It came across very much that the current squad that we have here seem happy and contented and nobody seems to be chomping at the bit to leave. There is definitely a very marked contrast in Dawson's demeanour, for example.

Is this a good thing? Well yes it has to be. The squad does need freshening up, we need to bring in energy, creativity and we need numbers in certain areas but it makes life easier when you can pick and choose who you want and who you don't want rather than having changes forced upon you and then you have to react to them leaving you no solid base to work from.

Very positive signs.

Nothing for me to moan about .......... yet.  ;)

We still need to potentially reduce the wage bill don't we? I still believe Dawson will leave and then I still expect to see one of Rodriguez/Hegazi/Gibbs/Phillips/Livermore to be moved on aswell as they are the 'big' earners.

From what I have heard, Jay Rod hasn't pushed to leave and is just cracking on business as usual. With Egypt potentially going far in their tournament that could help us in keeping Hegazi aswell. If someone comes in with a decent enough bid for Gibbs/Livermore than I can see us moving them on to free up some wages.

Would love to see us keep Rodriguez, Gibbs and Hegazi. Phillips is a huge player for us when he is fit and I would like to see him stay also. Not too fussed on losing Dawson if a decent bid comes in, and I can't see any prem team stupid enough to offer any decent money for Livermore.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kc56wba on June 25, 2019, 10:27:24 AM
Just been talking to someone from my old days on the groundstaff and his words were " remember how the club was lifted when a certain Mr Giles came into the club to take over from Don Howe, well it feels the same according to his contacts who are still at the club.

I hope he is right.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 25, 2019, 11:57:27 AM
We still need to potentially reduce the wage bill don't we? I still believe Dawson will leave and then I still expect to see one of Rodriguez/Hegazi/Gibbs/Phillips/Livermore to be moved on aswell as they are the 'big' earners.

From what I have heard, Jay Rod hasn't pushed to leave and is just cracking on business as usual. With Egypt potentially going far in their tournament that could help us in keeping Hegazi aswell. If someone comes in with a decent enough bid for Gibbs/Livermore than I can see us moving them on to free up some wages.

Would love to see us keep Rodriguez, Gibbs and Hegazi. Phillips is a huge player for us when he is fit and I would like to see him stay also. Not too fussed on losing Dawson if a decent bid comes in, and I can't see any prem team stupid enough to offer any decent money for Livermore.


Rondon will leave so that will get his wages off the wage bill. Morrison I doubt will come back, Barry probably not either so that's more money off the bill.

It's not easy because to sell players you have to have potential buyers. Personally, I'd be willing to listen to any offers for Livermore, Robson-Kanu and Phillips first and foremost. If I were Dowling I'd be hoping to receive offers for these three and offload them. Robson-Kanu isn't at the level we require, neither is Livermore, although successive head coaches play him, he doesn't do it for me and Phillips is a good player when fully fit and on top of his game but for usually half a season he isn't and we end up carrying him.

Who though is likely to come in with a firm, acceptable offer for any of those three? Kanu is 30, Livermore 29 and Phillips 28.


Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 25, 2019, 12:03:48 PM
Biggest test for Slaven is to get our youngsters tied down to long term contracts starting with Barry and Harper. Club need to instill a pride in wearing the shirt for kids going through the youth setup, former players should be brought on board to emphasis this point.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbarenno on June 25, 2019, 12:06:54 PM
Biggest test for Slaven is to get our youngsters tied down to long term contracts starting with Barry and Harper. Club need to instill a pride in wearing the shirt for kids going through the youth setup, former players should be brought on board to emphasis this point.

To be fair though when you’ve got Barcelona , Juventus and PSG interested what can you do. Those 3 clubs are very hard to compete with  :D

West Bromwich , Paris , Barcelona or Turin not exactly a hard choice is it
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 25, 2019, 12:14:02 PM
To be fair though when you’ve got Barcelona , Juventus and PSG interested what can you do. Those 3 clubs are very hard to compete with  :D

West Bromwich , Paris , Barcelona or Turin not exactly a hard choice is it
can't beat going down  the Albion, I'll take the Hawthorns any day of the week.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 25, 2019, 01:07:00 PM
The first of a fascinating two-part interview between Slaven Bilić and Adrian Chiles will be available from 5pm today over at wba.co.uk
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 25, 2019, 06:45:20 PM
Just found a very nice 'personal' message in my emails

Dear Frank,

I wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself and thank you for your support and warm welcome as we begin preparing for a new season.

I am delighted to have been appointed as your new Head Coach because I genuinely believe we can be good together. This is a club which I know has a special place in English football and I am going to do all I can to help us achieve what we all desire.

Promotion back to the Premier League is the main aim of course. It is no easy or simple task as I am sure you are aware. There are so many strong teams and big clubs in this division; nothing can be guaranteed.

The Championship is crazy and competitive but we have set our sights on returning to the top flight and I will do all I can to give you a team in which you will take pride and enjoyment on the course of our journey.

As I said at the media conference this week, we do not yet know what the make-up of the squad will be but what we can say is that we’re going to play as a unit - that’s 100 per cent - and play with passion, play with energy; play each game like it’s the last game of our lives.

I have spent many years in English football in my career and so I am aware of Albion’s traditions and standing in the history of the game. It is a proud club and one I am privileged to now lead.

So thank you for welcoming me. We have plenty of work to do because I know there will be challenges ahead to shape the team that I hope you will enjoy watching.

Mostly, I hope I can continue to justify the support you have already shown me.

My best wishes

Slaven Bilic
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on June 25, 2019, 07:14:20 PM
Just found a very nice 'personal' message in my emails

Dear Frank,

I wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself and thank you for your support and warm welcome as we begin preparing for a new season.

I am delighted to have been appointed as your new Head Coach because I genuinely believe we can be good together. This is a club which I know has a special place in English football and I am going to do all I can to help us achieve what we all desire.

Promotion back to the Premier League is the main aim of course. It is no easy or simple task as I am sure you are aware. There are so many strong teams and big clubs in this division; nothing can be guaranteed.

The Championship is crazy and competitive but we have set our sights on returning to the top flight and I will do all I can to give you a team in which you will take pride and enjoyment on the course of our journey.

As I said at the media conference this week, we do not yet know what the make-up of the squad will be but what we can say is that we’re going to play as a unit - that’s 100 per cent - and play with passion, play with energy; play each game like it’s the last game of our lives.

I have spent many years in English football in my career and so I am aware of Albion’s traditions and standing in the history of the game. It is a proud club and one I am privileged to now lead.

So thank you for welcoming me. We have plenty of work to do because I know there will be challenges ahead to shape the team that I hope you will enjoy watching.

Mostly, I hope I can continue to justify the support you have already shown me.

My best wishes

Slaven Bilic

I'm gutted! I thought he'd only sent it to me
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 25, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
It's a stroke of genius on the club and his part. It sounds very sincere too. I am mightily impressed.

Weirdly bumped into the only West Ham fan I know on Saturday (I live in St Anne's just outside of Blackpool). He went mad with enthusiasm on our behalf and just said 'look after him'.

I do believe we should.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on June 25, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
It's a stroke of genius on the club and his part. It sounds very sincere too. I am mightily impressed.

Weirdly bumped into the only West Ham fan I know on Saturday (I live in St Anne's just outside of Blackpool). He went mad with enthusiasm on our behalf and just said 'look after him'.

I do believe we should.

If you watch his press conference and interviews with Adrian Childs he comes across very well indeed, he gives you cause for optimism
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 25, 2019, 08:09:44 PM
Just found a very nice 'personal' message in my emails

Dear Frank,

I wanted to take this opportunity to introduce myself and thank you for your support and warm welcome as we begin preparing for a new season.

I am delighted to have been appointed as your new Head Coach because I genuinely believe we can be good together. This is a club which I know has a special place in English football and I am going to do all I can to help us achieve what we all desire.

Promotion back to the Premier League is the main aim of course. It is no easy or simple task as I am sure you are aware. There are so many strong teams and big clubs in this division; nothing can be guaranteed.

The Championship is crazy and competitive but we have set our sights on returning to the top flight and I will do all I can to give you a team in which you will take pride and enjoyment on the course of our journey.

As I said at the media conference this week, we do not yet know what the make-up of the squad will be but what we can say is that we’re going to play as a unit - that’s 100 per cent - and play with passion, play with energy; play each game like it’s the last game of our lives.

I have spent many years in English football in my career and so I am aware of Albion’s traditions and standing in the history of the game. It is a proud club and one I am privileged to now lead.

So thank you for welcoming me. We have plenty of work to do because I know there will be challenges ahead to shape the team that I hope you will enjoy watching.

Mostly, I hope I can continue to justify the support you have already shown me.

My best wishes

Slaven Bilic

Really don’t like this sort of thing , each to their own but it’s cringe at best
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 25, 2019, 11:14:48 PM
If you watch his press conference and interviews with Adrian Childs he comes across very well indeed, he gives you cause for optimism

I'm very excited mate!!! Long time since..........
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 25, 2019, 11:18:16 PM
I'm very excited mate!!! Long time since..........
Does anyone know where James Shan figures in the hierarchy now? I have seen no mention of his status.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 25, 2019, 11:27:27 PM
Does anyone know where James Shan figures in the hierarchy now? I have seen no mention of his status.

First team coach same position that he had under Moore
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 26, 2019, 08:37:51 AM
Really don’t like this sort of thing , each to their own but it’s cringe at best

Agreed. I will judge him on what I see on the pitch but I am happy with how he is going about things thus far.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on June 26, 2019, 08:41:37 AM
Agreed. I will judge him on what I see on the pitch but I am happy with how he is going about things thus far.
Call me cynical If you like but the social media team need to wind all this #SuperSlav stuff in IMO , way too early .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 26, 2019, 08:47:44 AM
Call me cynical If you like but the social media team need to wind all this #SuperSlav stuff in IMO , way too early .

Far from cynical. I imagine they have realised just how much of a cock up they made last season in appointing Darren and letting our standards slip so greatly and now they feel is the opportunity, with a relatively big name appointment, to seize upon it and win the fans back over. They will do so with a great number of them, but that will be the great number who were so keen for Darren to be appointed in the first place, and if you are trying to impress them then you may as well have hired a seal who can balance a ball on his nose.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 08:50:06 AM
I though Slaven’s letter was excellent. In it he sets out his basic vision for the club. Fans have moaned about the lack of a vision from the club and when they get one, they are still not happy.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on June 26, 2019, 09:13:27 AM
Sometimes the club cannot win.

 I for one have been critical of their communication skills in the past, so I am pleasantly surprised with the Slaven letter (even though he didn’t write to me😖).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 26, 2019, 09:17:06 AM
Sometimes the club cannot win.

 I for one have been critical of their communication skills in the past, so I am pleasantly surprised with the Slaven letter (even though he didn’t write to me😖).

Yep. Bloody whingers.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on June 26, 2019, 09:30:14 AM
Yep. Bloody whingers.
Whose whinging ? , I feel the letter is fine but the twitter stuff is awful right now .
This Club and the Owner have a lot of ground to catch up after frankly a poor 2 years full of mistakes on and off the pitch . Credit for attracting Bilic but let him get a month or two under his belt before a huge PR drive thats almost too much/sickening .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: 17GD on June 26, 2019, 09:35:07 AM
I think the letter is a lovely touch. The PR team will no doubt have written the email, but he would have to give it the ok. In effect it was written by him because the words have likely been taken from the interviews he did. But the type of person he comes across as, he certainly would have had a big hand in its content.

With regards moaners, people will always find something to moan over. And on Twitter, I don't follow people who irritate me, only those that have something interesting to say. It's the best way to stay sane.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on June 26, 2019, 09:35:53 AM
Whose whinging ? , I feel the letter is fine but the twitter stuff is awful right now .
This Club and the Owner have a lot of ground to catch up after frankly a poor 2 years full of mistakes on and off the pitch . Credit for attracting Bilic but let him get a month or two under his belt before a huge PR drive thats almost too much/sickening .

That's how I feel - the proof is in the pudding eh.....?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 26, 2019, 09:43:50 AM
That's how I feel - the proof is in the pudding eh.....?

Fair enough. I just feel pretty confident the pudding is about to be served. With a plum.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: miggybaggy on June 26, 2019, 09:43:59 AM
That's how I feel - the proof is in the pudding eh.....?

Quite so. We need a complete rebuild in the midfield, with an attack-minded 'no.10' as a priority. Not to mention full backs and strikers!!. I hope the board have backed Bilic with the funds.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mo on June 26, 2019, 10:16:08 AM
Whose whinging ? , I feel the letter is fine but the twitter stuff is awful right now .
This Club and the Owner have a lot of ground to catch up after frankly a poor 2 years full of mistakes on and off the pitch . Credit for attracting Bilic but let him get a month or two under his belt before a huge PR drive thats almost too much/sickening .

Agreed and the club still has to provide him with the tools to carry out his vision .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on June 26, 2019, 10:43:22 AM
Fair enough. I just feel pretty confident the pudding is about to be served. With a plum.

Hopefully but losing Gayle, Johansen , Holgate and Barnes (not replacing him) means we're already trying to plug some big holes in the first team let alone the squad. Our subs bench vs Villa would be our first team (Leko, Edwards, Field) . We'll also lose at least 3 or 4 first team players on top of losing the loanees I think (Dawson, JRod plus one other maybe Hegazi, Livermore or Phillips).

Dowling needs to help Bilic replace and build a brand new first team and squad (I reckon 11 new players are needed in the squad - three new strikers, four midfielders and four defenders) so we'll have to judge Dowling/ the club on the support they provide by September when we've seen our squad take shape.

Bilic is a great start though.....as he'll hopefully help to attract better players!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on June 26, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
Nice email, now for some players. So chop chop Messrs Dowling, Jenkins and Bilic as I'm sure you have a few in mind. While nobody wants you to act in haste and repent at leisure, time and tide wait for no man (or tea lady), actions speak louder than words, a rolling stone gathers no moss, don't let the grass grow under your feet, jumpers for goalposts..... and roll on the new season - COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 26, 2019, 11:48:33 AM
I was excited from the day i heard his name first mentioned, but i didn't get excited too much because i thought he was just a smokescreen and we would employ Hughton or Appleton.
It's been a long time since Albion have excited me, the last few years have been a drudge.
But now we have a larger than life, of the wall, outrageous, passionate manager. I think it's going to be fun.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on June 26, 2019, 12:08:16 PM
Hopefully but losing Gayle, Johansen , Holgate and Barnes (not replacing him) means we're already trying to plug some big holes in the first team let alone the squad. Our subs bench vs Villa would be our first team (Leko, Edwards, Field) . We'll also lose at least 3 or 4 first team players on top of losing the loanees I think (Dawson, JRod plus one other maybe Hegazi, Livermore or Phillips).

Dowling needs to help Bilic replace and build a brand new first team and squad (I reckon 11 new players are needed in the squad - three new strikers, four midfielders and four defenders) so we'll have to judge Dowling/ the club on the support they provide by September when we've seen our squad take shape.

Bilic is a great start though.....as he'll hopefully help to attract better players!

I agree there are some big holes to fill.  Bilic is a good start but lets not go overboard because he is only as good as the players he has got and at the moment that is not great.

We need to keep Jrod, Hegazi will stay because he has got an extended break and Phillips injury record will put off potential buyers.

Bilic needs to sign players and not rely on loans because sooner or later they return to their club and you are back to square 1. Loans are good for support players.

He also needs to blood some of the promising youngsters like Edwards.

But there are big holes in the team, right back, central midfield, attacking midfield ( Like Barnes), striker to replace Gayle and another support striker because the young strikers we have got are not good enough.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 12:09:58 PM
Nice email, now for some players. So chop chop Messrs Dowling, Jenkins and Bilic as I'm sure you have a few in mind. While nobody wants you to act in haste and repent at leisure, time and tide wait for no man (or tea lady), actions speak louder than words, a rolling stone gathers no moss, don't let the grass grow under your feet, jumpers for goalposts..... and roll on the new season - COYB  8) .

I think you inadvertently omitted “a stitch in time saves nine”, but the rest are spot on  ;)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on June 26, 2019, 12:11:13 PM
I was excited from the day i heard his name first mentioned, but i didn't get excited too much because i thought he was just a smokescreen and we would employ Hughton or Appleton.
It's been a long time since Albion have excited me, the last few years have been a drudge.
But now we have a larger than life, of the wall, outrageous, passionate manager. I think it's going to be fun.

The last time you got this excited about the Albion was November 2009 under Mowbray when we beat Leicester 1-2  ;) .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on June 26, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
I think you inadvertently omitted “a stitch in time saves nine”, but the rest are spot on  ;)

Nope, just leaving crumbs along the way for others to follow   ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 12:16:26 PM
Nope, just leaving crumbs along the way for others to follow   ;D  ;) .

Once more, I am in your debt then   ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
Slaven Bilic defends his short spell in Saudi Arabia

Interesting read

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/26/slaven-bilic-defends-his-short-spell-in-saudi-arabia/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ronnie_allen on June 26, 2019, 02:43:25 PM
Slaven Bilic defends his short spell in Saudi Arabia

Interesting read

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/06/26/slaven-bilic-defends-his-short-spell-in-saudi-arabia/

Interesting read. Seems to be a lot of similarities with Monk's season at Birmingham City.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 03:05:03 PM
'Best of his generation' The key figures Slaven Bilic has brought to West Brom

Informative article about Slaven’s right hand men

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/best-generation-key-figures-slaven-16489502.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on June 26, 2019, 03:40:37 PM
He seems the type of appointment which may convince a couple of the 'in demand' players to potentially stay and play for him.

The likes of Hegazi, Gibbs, Rodriguez may be more willing to stay another year under Slaven, rather than for example if the Cowley brothers had got the job.

As others have said, he seems to something about him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on June 26, 2019, 05:24:34 PM
I think ‘he gets it’, I believe what he says and he doesn’t seem to spin the usual lines or cliches.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 05:51:53 PM
I have a good and positive feeling about the appointment of Slaven that I haven’t felt since Ron Atkinson (first time round) and Johnny Giles (first time round) were appointed
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 26, 2019, 06:42:26 PM
The last time you got this excited about the Albion was November 2009 under Mowbray when we beat Leicester 1-2  ;) .

I took my username in honour of the football we played under Mowbray, it was wonderful stuff  to watch  in the championship, but he was way out of depth in the premier, and he had the personality and charisma of a baked potato.

No such worries on either account with Slaven.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 26, 2019, 09:38:23 PM
I guess this is better than having to talk posters down from tall buildings because we have appointed Alan Irvine and I absolutely don't blame the club mining every ounce of good PR out of Bilic who is box office. Yet there will come a point where the project encounters the cold hard reality of the Championship and I hope we don't forget the challenge that is in front of the club and turn on him as quickly as we are building him and our hopes up now.

He has a two year contract and he abosolutely needs to be given that time to get things right. Of course I hope everything gels quickly but I accept they may not. See where we are at the turn of the year before getting too excited one way or another. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 27, 2019, 10:12:31 AM
I don't think anyone is getting carried away, certainly not Slaven himself, we all know how tough this division is.
But after years of number two's and novices we finally have a bona fide manager in every sense of the word.
This time last year when they gave it to Darren, i was in despair, another cheap option, nothing to lose except an Albion legends standing amongt the fans.
If we had appointed Hughton, or worse still, Appleton or Shan it would have been another sunless summer.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 28, 2019, 08:40:35 AM
I don't think anyone is getting carried away, certainly not Slaven himself, we all know how tough this division is.
But after years of number two's and novices we finally have a bona fide manager in every sense of the word.
This time last year when they gave it to Darren, i was in despair, another cheap option, nothing to lose except an Albion legends standing amongt the fans.
If we had appointed Hughton, or worse still, Appleton or Shan it would have been another sunless summer.

Sorry that is just plain wrong Pulis and Pardew were not cheap. I am fairly certain they would both be paid more than Bilic is currently. In the sense they had at least twice the experience than Bilic has were "bona fide managers

 I don't want this appointment to go wrong and I am hopeful that it won't but it has the capacity to crash and burn as much as any of those you mentioned.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on June 28, 2019, 09:01:17 AM
Sorry that is just plain wrong Pulis and Pardew were not cheap. I am fairly certain they would both be paid more than Bilic is currently. In the sense they had at least twice the experience than Bilic has were "bona fide managers

 I don't want this appointment to go wrong and I am hopeful that it won't but it has the capacity to crash and burn as much as any of those you mentioned.

Let's hoe you are wrong for all of our sake's then.
I don't think we would have crashed and burned under Hughton, or Appleton, but i doubt anyone would have taken much notice of us, or they would have had as much pulling power when it comes to signing players.
The thing about Pulis was, when he was at Stoke he played with a couple of big blokes up front and a couple of fast wingers. His style wasn't pretty but effective.
With us he played one up front and everyone else behind the ball.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 28, 2019, 08:34:44 PM
First team coach same position that he had under Moore
Really? I had my suspicions about where Jimmy would be
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 29, 2019, 12:08:11 AM
Really? I had my suspicions about where Jimmy would be


When Stan posted this Shan was 1st team coach.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 29, 2019, 06:11:45 AM

When Stan posted this Shan was 1st team coach.
I am sure that Stan can speak for himself. I am also sure that I new where Jimmy Shan would end up!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on June 29, 2019, 06:27:11 AM
We've all been shouting for change.............................now we're getting it.
Just hope it all works out
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on June 29, 2019, 02:12:15 PM
Would have liked Shan to stay but can see why he went and makes sense without it being acrimonious. It feels like a new start so now only time will tell.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 29, 2019, 02:40:25 PM
Every manager is a risk when appointed. You are never too sure how it will work but slaven ticks many more boxes than Irvine, Big Dave, Pardew, etc.

Pulis did the job he was asked to do and ticked a lot of boxes at the time. Slaven ticks different boxes and maybe a few more.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on June 29, 2019, 03:03:10 PM
Every manager is a risk when appointed. You are never too sure how it will work but slaven ticks many more boxes than Irvine, Big Dave, Pardew, etc.

Pulis did the job he was asked to do and ticked a lot of boxes at the time. Slaven ticks different boxes and maybe a few more.

Pulis ticked no boxes for me
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 29, 2019, 08:30:02 PM
Pulis ticked no boxes for me
Bilic for me.
Pulis does what is on tin.Keeps you up one season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on June 30, 2019, 08:40:09 AM
He's the 1st manager in a long time that has made me feel posative for our future,right man right time just needs the backing with £££ for transfars. He has a MASSIVE job on his hands i just hope everyone keeps their feet off his throught.
 Pulis was the man right time but after keeping us up he should have gone,Job Done
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on June 30, 2019, 09:28:26 AM
He's the 1st manager in a long time that has made me feel posative for our future,right man right time just needs the backing with £££ for transfars. He has a MASSIVE job on his hands i just hope everyone keeps their feet off his throught.
 Pulis was the man right time but after keeping us up he should have gone,Job Done

Me too, can't remember the last time I was so looking forward to the start of the season.
He's been given 2 years to see what he can do, lets give him the chance
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 30, 2019, 10:21:47 AM
Me too, can't remember the last time I was so looking forward to the start of the season.
He's been given 2 years to see what he can do, lets give him the chance

I can’t recall reading anyone who has posted on this thread that isn’t
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionBest on June 30, 2019, 10:26:47 AM
I can’t recall reading anyone who has posted on this thread that isn’t

Spot on - only positives from everyone I've spoken to and that's highly usual from our fanbase!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggie79 on July 01, 2019, 05:17:05 AM
Really enthused and excited by the appointment, genuine hope for the first time in a long while. Welcome to the Albion Super Slav!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mikehy on July 05, 2019, 11:01:50 AM
I wonder if he is getting frustrated yet by the lack of signings?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 05, 2019, 11:34:03 AM
I wonder if he is getting frustrated yet by the lack of signings?


Nope. At this point it's only fans frustrated partly because we're not privy to the goings on. Bilic is professional he knows we have over a month yet before the window closes, that's more than enough time.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 05, 2019, 01:25:44 PM
He will get frustrated with the jerks we have in charge, only way he will succeed is to have total control of football side of club.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on July 05, 2019, 01:38:28 PM
Ally Robertson: I hope Slaven Bilic tells us exactly what he thinks

Sensible article from Ally

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/05/ally-robertson-i-hope-slaven-bilic-tells-us-exactly-what-he-thinks/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 05, 2019, 01:51:11 PM
Ally Robertson: I hope Slaven Bilic tells us exactly what he thinks

Sensible article from Ally

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/05/ally-robertson-i-hope-slaven-bilic-tells-us-exactly-what-he-thinks/

"The rebuild has already started to gather pace with Craig Dawson leaving for Watford. "
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 05, 2019, 03:33:09 PM
Ally Robertson: I hope Slaven Bilic tells us exactly what he thinks

Sensible article from Ally

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/07/05/ally-robertson-i-hope-slaven-bilic-tells-us-exactly-what-he-thinks/

wise words, I differ on Sal but thats about all
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 08, 2019, 12:26:21 PM
Hope Slav's got a rabbit or six to pull out of the hat. An already thin squad is getting thinner by the day
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionBest on July 08, 2019, 12:27:42 PM
Wonder how much Bilic is on board with the current situation of losing our best players ?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 08, 2019, 12:30:05 PM
Wonder how much Bilic is on board with the current situation of losing our best players ?

He, as we all were, was perfectly aware of the situation before he took over. He won't be half as concerned, if at all, as some of the fans. He will know all the goings on behind the scenes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 08, 2019, 12:31:42 PM
Wonder how much Bilic is on board with the current situation of losing our best players ?

I imagine he would have been made aware of the position fairly early on in the discussion process. It is why I harped on about it so much last season and is now coming to bear fruit, we had to get promoted last season as our squad was always going to be a shadow of its former self this season. We were never going to have as good a chance of promotion as we had last season and we completely blew it through poor management choice.

Slaven is going to need to work a miracle this season to have us anywhere near competing for promotion.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 08, 2019, 12:46:03 PM
Wonder how much Bilic is on board with the current situation of losing our best players ?

I guess it's common practice, and therefore obvious to Bilic, those in the last year of their contracts will naturally be sold (or extend) that's Dawson, Phillips, Rondon and HRK (please).

Also, JRod's departure is a contractual obligation, I'm sure he'd be aware of the clause.

I'd be much more concerned about what reassurances he got regarding player aquisitions.  At the very basic level we have 60 goals to replace from last season. plus two defenders to find to ensure we are tighter than last season.  Assuming JRod and Rondon go in the next few days we'll be 10 players down on the squad size at the end of last season.  I am worried that Jenkins' ultra-conservative approach is going to leave us short, in effectivemess if not numbers.  (i.e. Players that aren't good enough, but are cheaper.)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 08, 2019, 01:34:14 PM
Wonder how much Bilic is on board with the current situation of losing our best players ?

I'd expect him to be fully on board with it otherwise we could well be looking for another manager sooner rather than we expected
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 08, 2019, 07:42:43 PM
I'd expect him to be fully on board with it otherwise we could well be looking for another manager sooner rather than we expected
Indeed I don't think he is the kind to "suffer fools" and I may be unkind there.But can only go on last seasons performance. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Gilsey 56 on July 08, 2019, 08:58:29 PM
I think if he wasn't on board with the players going we would be looking for a new manager now.
I just wish he was appointed a bit quicker and totally agree that this season will be a transitional one and keep our expectations in check.
if we do really well, brilliant, but as long as we can see a platform being created I will be happy for a rebuild year, after all thats what we have all been crying out for.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 08, 2019, 09:02:00 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he walks god knows what bull his been sold.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: keithowba86 on July 08, 2019, 09:18:56 PM
he knows exactly what he's been sold! dont panic! he's got signings lined up ready to fill those voids!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: sammyg on July 08, 2019, 09:23:31 PM
he knows exactly what he's been sold! dont panic! he's got signings lined up ready to fill those voids!

Liking the confidence! Hope that is the case.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 08, 2019, 09:26:18 PM
What does anybody think Bilic and the board were discussing prior to his appointment the weather? If you listen to his interview at his appointment he does reference that some players may leave, well at that point he had to know that was at least a possibility but without concrete offers on the table he nor the club could be absolutely certain either way.

Well two have left and no doubt will be replaced one way or another.


He won't walk because this was always on the cards.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 09, 2019, 08:02:12 PM
Is there a news blackout with the new gaffer?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 09, 2019, 08:19:12 PM
This is something that needed doing at the start of last season.

But I don't think we had the personnel confident enough of doing such changes.

Lets face it , we failed last season. So we need to change the team so that we don't fail again.  We might need a season to set the foundations but in the long run I am sure it will all come good.

If we had kept the side that finished last season we would not have made the play offs next season

The defence was not good enough, the midfield was to old and not mobile enough and the attack was not sharp enough.



Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: slate on July 09, 2019, 08:26:52 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he walks god knows what bull his been sold.

Most of your posts are incredibly negative. Try and keep your pecker up old man.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: NathWBA on July 09, 2019, 08:31:15 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he walks god knows what bull his been sold.
I’m pretty sure he would have been well aware of Rodriguez release clause, there hasn’t been an unexpected departure at all yet.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on July 09, 2019, 08:37:45 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he walks god knows what bull his been sold.

Of course he won’t walk. All of this would have been discussed during his interview discussions.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Nathan on July 09, 2019, 08:46:14 PM
This is something that needed doing at the start of last season.

But I don't think we had the personnel confident enough of doing such changes.

Lets face it , we failed last season. So we need to change the team so that we don't fail again.  We might need a season to set the foundations but in the long run I am sure it will all come good.

If we had kept the side that finished last season we would not have made the play offs next season

The defence was not good enough, the midfield was to old and not mobile enough and the attack was not sharp enough.

Absolutely right in every respect. We were crying out for sweeping changes last Summer, on and off the pitch. Instead we were stuck with Moore and the same backroom and the same under achieving players, nothing changed, no new impetus, just a wasted season. Now we are having the much needed (vital) sweeping changes, people are panicking. It's a year too late in my eyes but it's exactly what is required. I knew we would be 99% certain to be losing Dawson, Rodriguez, Rondon and Hegazi so I'm damn sure Slaven did too! He would be preparing his targets with that knowledge. I'm quite sure Slaven is thrilled deep down that he can put his own stamp and mark on the team without being reliant on and lumbered with the old guard. I for one am excited by the season ahead. Slaven will do us proud.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 09, 2019, 09:24:43 PM
Absolutely right in every respect. We were crying out for sweeping changes last Summer, on and off the pitch. Instead we were stuck with Moore and the same backroom and the same under achieving players, nothing changed, no new impetus, just a wasted season. Now we are having the much needed (vital) sweeping changes, people are panicking. It's a year too late in my eyes but it's exactly what is required. I knew we would be 99% certain to be losing Dawson, Rodriguez, Rondon and Hegazi so I'm damn sure Slaven did too! He would be preparing his targets with that knowledge. I'm quite sure Slaven is thrilled deep down that he can put his own stamp and mark on the team without being reliant on and lumbered with the old guard. I for one am excited by the season ahead. Slaven will do us proud.


Nathan you are talking way too much sense here mate, it goes against the grain with our supporters.

You only have to watch the press conference with Dowling and Bilic when Bilic was unveiled to realise that not only is Bilic aware of the "rebuild" he actually desires it, it is absolutely imperative that it happens in order for Slaven to build the type of team that he wants. The talk was of higher tempo, energetic football, you cannot successfully play that way with a squad full of old, one paced plodders (no disrespect to them). How many times last season were we crying out for us to up the tempo in games? We couldn't do it because we didn't have the players to do it. Imagine Bilic being stuck with the same squad, there's not a lot he could do with them.

Fans are impatient they want players in NOW! Well, it doesn't always work like that. We now have Rodriguez and Dawson's wages off the books, together with the fees we received for those players, that gives us ammunition in the transfer market and with the imminent departure of Rondon we will be in a very strong position (I'm not sure Hegazi will leave). Slaven will know who he wants, there will be people lined up and they'll start coming in soon enough.

What fans need to take on board also is both Dowling and Bilic stating a two year project so although it'd be ideal for the club, promotion next season is NOT absolutely imperative. It might take a bit more time than this transfer window for Slaven to assemble the squad he desires. It's not what fans want to hear I'm sure but in the long run it's better for the club. Papering over cracks doesn't do the job long term, the walls still fall down, only building properly gets consistent results in the long term.

The club has been left in a mess by previous mismanagement. You don't solve those issues overnight. It takes a bit of time and patience.

In Slaven we must trust.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on July 09, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
It's imperative this team is dismantled so the new manager can build a team of players he wants to suit a style he wants to play. you can't get Beluga Caviar from a Trout.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Blowee on July 09, 2019, 09:44:03 PM

Nathan you are talking way too much sense here mate, it goes against the grain with our supporters.

You only have to watch the press conference with Dowling and Bilic when Bilic was unveiled to realise that not only is Bilic aware of the "rebuild" he actually desires it, it is absolutely imperative that it happens in order for Slaven to build the type of team that he wants. The talk was of higher tempo, energetic football, you cannot successfully play that way with a squad full of old, one paced plodders (no disrespect to them). How many times last season were we crying out for us to up the tempo in games? We couldn't do it because we didn't have the players to do it. Imagine Bilic being stuck with the same squad, there's not a lot he could do with them.

Fans are impatient they want players in NOW! Well, it doesn't always work like that. We now have Rodriguez and Dawson's wages off the books, together with the fees we received for those players, that gives us ammunition in the transfer market and with the imminent departure of Rondon we will be in a very strong position (I'm not sure Hegazi will leave). Slaven will know who he wants, there will be people lined up and they'll start coming in soon enough.

What fans need to take on board also is both Dowling and Bilic stating a two year project so although it'd be ideal for the club, promotion next season is NOT absolutely imperative. It might take a bit more time than this transfer window for Slaven to assemble the squad he desires. It's not what fans want to hear I'm sure but in the long run it's better for the club. Papering over cracks doesn't do the job long term, the walls still fall down, only building properly gets consistent results in the long term.

The club has been left in a mess by previous mismanagement. You don't solve those issues overnight. It takes a bit of time and patience.

In Slaven we must trust.
Whilst I agree with much of your sentiment, I'm not sure that loaning players on one year deals will achieve this. Surely we will be back to square one this time next year when they leave. Will it become another two year project at that point?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 09, 2019, 11:29:14 PM
I just hope he utilises our dwindling youth set up, prefer our kids getting game time than other teams loans.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 09, 2019, 11:45:35 PM
I just hope he utilises our dwindling youth set up, prefer our kids getting game time than other teams loans.


So you prefer not winning matches?


Leko ahead of Barnes; Burke ahead of Gayle; Wilson ahead of Holgate. Or is it only the loan players you don't like that are a problem?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 10, 2019, 08:53:30 AM

So you prefer not winning matches?


Leko ahead of Barnes; Burke ahead of Gayle; Wilson ahead of Holgate. Or is it only the loan players you don't like that are a problem?

Agreed. The fascination with the youth from some of the posters on here baffles me. Do we want to be successful or get relegated, at which point our academy will suffer yet further and the standard of youth players we bring in will drop yet further but at least they will be 'our own' despite the fact none of them can pick a pass.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dan87uk on July 10, 2019, 09:01:14 AM
Agreed. The fascination with the youth from some of the posters on here baffles me. Do we want to be successful or get relegated, at which point our academy will suffer yet further and the standard of youth players we bring in will drop yet further but at least they will be 'our own' despite the fact none of them can pick a pass.

We do need to be utilising the academy; BUT; you definitely can't fill the entire first 11 or the whole bench with players from the academy... we need to bring more players in ASAP to have a proper squad where academy players can then supplement 3-4 positions throughout the course of the season. Bilic will know this so i've no concerns on that, but it's whether he'll get the backing to go out and get a full squad.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 10, 2019, 09:18:53 AM
I believe that dismantling the side from last season is the correct move because they failed to achieve their target last season.  The same players would have achieved far less this year.

The trouble at the moment is that fans need to start seeing additions to the squad to get that little bit of doubt out of their mind.

We have 30 days of the transfer window left. We need to see additions within the next 7 days.  If not it could be squeaky bum time !!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 10, 2019, 09:39:10 AM
This is something that needed doing at the start of last season.


I think you're right.  I grew to really hate some of  the players that got us relegated.  At the end of that season I'd have been happy to see them all go.  After a year of more attacking style I was warmer towards them.  But my favourite players last season were Barnes and Gayle, not any of the relegation crew.

Right now Phillips is our best attacking player.  I really resented him when we were getting relegated.  His lack of effort, heart and complete cowardice at any sign of a challenge was mind blowing.  He's in the last year of his contract now, so he'll be gone if we get a decent offer (or for free next year).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on July 10, 2019, 10:06:42 AM
I think you're right.  I grew to really hate some of  the players that got us relegated.  At the end of that season I'd have been happy to see them all go.  After a year of more attacking style I was warmer towards them.  But my favourite players last season were Barnes and Gayle, not any of the relegation crew.

Right now Phillips is our best attacking player.  I really resented him when we were getting relegated.  His lack of effort, heart and complete cowardice at any sign of a challenge was mind blowing.  He's in the last year of his contract now, so he'll be gone if we get a decent offer (or for free next year).
Any incoming transfer is a risk, regardless whether it's  £1m or £100m, but you are right this needs to happen. The alternative is to keep players that have failed for 2 or 3 seasons and are clearly in decline in terms of ability and / or commitment.
In an ideal world I would not be sad to see the following leave this summer:

Kanu
Livermore
Johnstone
Brunt
Bartley
No tears shed over Dawson or Rodriguez either but would like Hegazi to stay.

Yes it means a massive rebuild and, therefore a massive risk, but the alternative is to settle for watching us stagnate and probably steadily decline.
***** or bust season for me, but we have the most exciting manager for years so there will never be a better time.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 10, 2019, 10:11:20 AM
I believe that dismantling the side from last season is the correct move because they failed to achieve their target last season.  The same players would have achieved far less this year.

The trouble at the moment is that fans need to start seeing additions to the squad to get that little bit of doubt out of their mind.

We have 30 days of the transfer window left. We need to see additions within the next 7 days.  If not it could be squeaky bum time !!!!

I could not disagree more. With a better/actual manager in place, those players would have won the league last season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 10, 2019, 10:14:53 AM
I could not disagree more. With a better/actual manager in place, those players would have won the league last season.

i agree. the squad was there but was managed very poorly which is why we underachieved and finished 4th.

the person who had to take most of the blame for that i see still isnt in another managerial job which does not surprise me.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on July 10, 2019, 10:32:46 AM
I could not disagree more. With a better/actual manager in place, those players would have won the league last season.

Yeah, totally agree.  The majority of that squad finished 10th in the Prem.  We then had a bad season with a terrible managerial appointment.  The squad should have been able to finish top 2 and if you look at the points we threw away we should have.

And when I say threw away, I mean, if we hadn't persisted on playing it out from the back and just settled it a normal approach to games.  We were our own worst enemy last season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 10, 2019, 10:39:34 AM
i agree. the squad was there but was managed very poorly which is why we underachieved and finished 4th.

the person who had to take most of the blame for that i see still isnt in another managerial job which does not surprise me.

The best players in our squad last year were the loan players . Talking only about our players there is no way those players would get us promoted not even if Pep was manager.  Even with the loan players we wouldn't get promoted . Holgate was steady at right back, Johansson worked hard in midfield and Gayle was our best player and his goals helped us to get 4th. The other loan players contributed very little.

The defence leaked too many goals, the midfield was too old and not mobile enough and Jrod would not have scored half the goals he scored if Gayle wasn't there.

This is why so many fans on these forums are not disappointed that Dawson and Jrod have left.  the players last season were just not good enough.The table doesn't lie !!!

A striker wins you matches, a good defence wins you championships  !!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on July 10, 2019, 10:47:32 AM
Yeah, totally agree.  The majority of that squad finished 10th in the Prem.  We then had a bad season with a terrible managerial appointment.  The squad should have been able to finish top 2 and if you look at the points we threw away we should have.

And when I say threw away, I mean, if we hadn't persisted on playing it out from the back and just settled it a normal approach to games.  We were our own worst enemy last season.
I still can't believe the way we went about that, by November every other side had worked out that we would probably gift them 1 or 2 goals a game if they gave us the charge when we played out.  And so it went.

On the topic of Bilic, I hope he continues to keep a fairly low media profile, because that should mean he is with the players, sorting out who he thinks is right from the existing squad, getting his style set and bringing in the 4 or 5 players minimum we need.  We don't need a showman in the press box, look how Benitez went about his business in the champ.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 10, 2019, 10:56:12 AM

So you prefer not winning matches?


Leko ahead of Barnes; Burke ahead of Gayle; Wilson ahead of Holgate. Or is it only the loan players you don't like that are a problem?
you for got Murphy, Montero, Tosh and Johansen great loan signings not. Give the kids a run of games and they might surprise a few no wonder we are having problems retaining talent.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: koren on July 10, 2019, 11:51:59 AM

So you prefer not winning matches?


Leko ahead of Barnes; Burke ahead of Gayle; Wilson ahead of Holgate. Or is it only the loan players you don't like that are a problem?
The loan players you have mentioned offered much quality and have improved the team.
But the others such as Murphy and Adarabioyo, were they really much better than Kyle Edwards, Fitzwater or Dara O'shea?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 12:08:00 PM
The loan players you have mentioned offered much quality and have improved the team.
But the others such as Murphy and Adarabioyo, were they really much better than Kyle Edwards, Fitzwater or Dara O'shea?


Yes much better.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: koren on July 10, 2019, 12:41:06 PM

Yes much better.
Oh, it's the 1st time I saw someone rated Murphy.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on July 10, 2019, 12:51:51 PM
This is why so many fans on these forums are not disappointed that Dawson and Jrod have left.  the players last season were just not good enough.The table doesn't lie !!!
A striker wins you matches, a good defence wins you championships  !!

Yes, but at the moment...
We've got rid of Dawson and kept Bartley.
We've got rid of J-Rod and kept HRK.

Until replacements come in then it's not looking great is it?  And when we do get replacements are we going to get enough quality that will push Bartley and HRK out of the squad?  I feel like that's a big ask for the number of players.  So most likely we'll end up with say, 2 more forwards and still relying on HRK in some games.

Even if we replace Dawson with someone equally as good (and remember, he is decent, he was in a Prem side that finished 10th), then we aren't any better than last year.  We would need to replace him with someone better and even then we'll still have Bartley.  So we need to bring in 2 defenders in this case to be what you would consider an improvement last year.  If Hegazi goes, that's even worse.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on July 10, 2019, 01:06:17 PM
I think most of our signings will be loan players, and imo it is the right way to go.
See where we finish and how good they are. If we go up we could have the choice of either signing them or signing better.
Anyway decent players aren't going to commit long term to a Championship club.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kanu on July 10, 2019, 01:34:43 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he walks god knows what bull his been sold.
He’s cool with everything that’s going on. Just read his comments on transfers and he’s on the case. Interesting what he says about the kids out in Spain too, rates them highly but says they need experienced players round them. I trust him to put together a good squad. He’s going to be busy in the next four weeks though!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 01:36:40 PM
New video interview with Bilić up on the OS. Confirms Rondon will leave in the next few days for those of us hoping he might stay.


Says he is calm about signings and confident they have the connections and plan to get the required business done in the next 2 and a half weeks. A balance between loans and permanent signings.


All positive stuff. Though he does fall into the trap of sayings 48 goals need to be replaced  ???
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 10, 2019, 01:38:58 PM
New video interview with Bilić up on the OS. Confirms Rondon will leave in the next few days for those of us hoping he might stay.




He doesn't CONFIRM Rondon will go at all. Like all of us he fully expects he will leave. That is not confirmation.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 10, 2019, 01:39:52 PM
I think most of our signings will be loan players, and imo it is the right way to go.
See where we finish and how good they are. If we go up we could have the choice of either signing them or signing better.
Anyway decent players aren't going to commit long term to a Championship club.

That is not the way to go !!!

Thats what happened last year  Barnes and Gayle were our best players and now we are looking at the forth coming season without them.

What ever happens about signings  permanent or loans something has to happen quick.

Don't expect to get 5 new signings a week before the season starts and expect them to click into a team straightaway. 

Every day that goes by without a signing I am getting a little bit more worried about next season .

We should be getting players in first and then selling the surplus, not the other way around.

This season could go one of two ways.  We could end up with the minimum amount of signings, get money in for the ones we can, Lai pockets the cash, we struggle and Bilic leaves before Christmas.

Or Bilic gets the players he wants and we have a good season.

I'm afraid I wouldn,t put money on either just yet
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 01:50:11 PM
He doesn't CONFIRM Rondon will go at all. Like all of us he fully expects he will leave. That is not confirmation.


'Probably Salomon is going to go as well and hopefully it will happen quick.'


Sounds as much like confirmation he won't  be here as anything he can say without jeopardizing any deal by naming clubs etc.


It's enough for me and I imagine most people who aren't obtusely pedantic.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 10, 2019, 01:53:28 PM

'Probably Salomon is going to go as well and hopefully it will happen quick.'


Sounds as much like confirmation he won't  be here as anything he can say without jeopardizing any deal by naming clubs etc.


It's enough for me and I imagine most people who aren't obtusely pedantic.


It's nothing to do with being pedantic. He says "probably" Rondon will leave. 95% of us would say exactly the same. That isn't CONFIMATION that he is leaving, unless I've misunderstood the English language.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on July 10, 2019, 02:02:07 PM
Enjoyed the line “we will need to be lucky” regarding transfers.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 02:07:14 PM

It's nothing to do with being pedantic. He says "probably" Rondon will leave. 95% of us would say exactly the same. That isn't CONFIMATION that he is leaving, unless I've misunderstood the English language.


Well you've emphasised a made up word so it's possible...  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 10, 2019, 02:12:10 PM

Well you've emphasised a made up word so it's possible...  ;D


Now that IS being pedantic but fair play.  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 10, 2019, 02:15:33 PM
"Tonight / tomorrow I will have a word with the director !?  "

Hope that means about progress?

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 10, 2019, 02:44:06 PM
He also said that they had targets they had been working on for the last two weeks.
Need some bodies through the door pdq
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on July 10, 2019, 02:58:53 PM
Clearly got targets and money so no need to panic, will be busy right up until deadline day I expect.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on July 10, 2019, 03:15:51 PM
Felt abit more relaxed after hearing Slav talk.

He seems really calm about the situation which makes me think they are in good positions with some targets. He also mentions he has some good contacts, ones I think he will use to coup us some decent players on loan.

In Slav we trust.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 10, 2019, 03:18:35 PM
Felt abit more relaxed after hearing Slav talk.

He seems really calm about the situation which makes me think they are in good positions with some targets. He also mentions he has some good contacts, ones I think he will use to coup us some decent players on loan.

In Slav we trust.

Slav isn't the issue though is he?  who negotiates and signs the contracts?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 10, 2019, 03:21:44 PM

It's nothing to do with being pedantic. He says "probably" Rondon will leave. 95% of us would say exactly the same. That isn't CONFIMATION that he is leaving, unless I've misunderstood the English language.

you won't have to wait long before its on the OS.
Will that be confirmation enough?  ::)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on July 10, 2019, 03:43:46 PM
That is not the way to go !!!

Thats what happened last year  Barnes and Gayle were our best players and now we are looking at the forth coming season without them.

What ever happens about signings  permanent or loans something has to happen quick.

Don't expect to get 5 new signings a week before the season starts and expect them to click into a team straightaway. 

Every day that goes by without a signing I am getting a little bit more worried about next season .

We should be getting players in first and then selling the surplus, not the other way around.

This season could go one of two ways.  We could end up with the minimum amount of signings, get money in for the ones we can, Lai pockets the cash, we struggle and Bilic leaves before Christmas.

Or Bilic gets the players he wants and we have a good season.

I'm afraid I wouldn,t put money on either just yet

We had no hope of permanently signing either players and both made a huge impact. To me they are a great example of why we should use loans. Holgate too!

Also, buying players before selling? Come on. This is just basic stuff. I assume that when you buy a new car you buy it and then look to sell your old car? Same with when you buy a house?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on July 10, 2019, 04:14:01 PM
Clearly got targets and money so no need to panic, will be busy right up until deadline day I expect.

Which continues to be Albion’s Achilles heal. We get a few in late and then the next month is how players need to get up to fitness and learn team shape etc.
I really like Bilic and I’m more positive about him than any manager since Roy. He’s a good manager but not a magician. He needs 4-5 first team players and another 3-4 for the squad...
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kamarasboot on July 10, 2019, 05:09:59 PM
Slav isn't the issue though is he?  who negotiates and signs the contracts?

Absolutely spot on!

too many saying its great Slav has final say on transfers - he's not the one signing the cheques. Massive clear out of players (which was needed) but still the same short sighted, restrictive people at the top. Shame as I think Slav has bought a real air of optimism.

I hope we see a change but I've been bitten by the Albion far to often to expect us to go on a mad signing spree - I suppose everyone is interpreting the situation and comments said in different ways, for me this comment (going on past Albion experiences) mean there may be one or two then we'll be looking to add the kids in the mix. I think people looking for 7-8 signing may be in for a shock - totally hope im wrong though.

And on the ‘home-grown’ players hoping to earn regular first team football this season...

“A few guys are really good here, not just offering numbers. I can’t play them all together, you need some experience, but everyone of them - if you put them in a side with older players - they’ll bring energy and a smile. They bring quality.”


Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 10, 2019, 05:35:37 PM
I DO think he has been given a short term brief of 'work with the kids and whatever signings we can get this season, with a view to more signings next season in the Prem.'

If anyone can get the youth working to their maximum though I'd put money on Slaven.

Interesting times I think.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on July 10, 2019, 06:24:19 PM
Even with a fee for Rondon, we are not going to have alot of money to chuck about for new purchases. So we will have to rely alot on more loans and our own youth.
He also used the line 'you need a bit of luck' twice, discussing the transfer market. In other words,  we can have a shopping list, but it takes 2 to tango, 3 if you include the other club.
We know from other transfer windows there is alot which can go wrong, hence 'we need a bit of luck.' 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 10, 2019, 08:18:38 PM
Even with a fee for Rondon, we are not going to have alot of money to chuck about for new purchases

Why not? We have an income of about £90m and a wage bill of circa £30m. Surely we have plenty to spend on transfers and wages with all the outgoing players and parachute money.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 10, 2019, 09:04:40 PM
We had no hope of permanently signing either players and both made a huge impact. To me they are a great example of why we should use loans. Holgate too!

Also, buying players before selling? Come on. This is just basic stuff. I assume that when you buy a new car you buy it and then look to sell your old car? Same with when you buy a house?

Yes I buy my car I would never think of loaning one. Because no matter how good that loan car is I would have to give it back one day and I would be without a car .........................  a bit like loaning a player.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 09:06:58 PM
Yes I buy my car I would never think of loaning one. Because no matter how good that loan car is I would have to give it back one day and I would be without a car .........................  a bit like loaning a player.


Worse analogy ever. Youd just loan another car... much like Albion. Or buy a car with the money you saved by loaning last year...
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on July 10, 2019, 09:10:28 PM

Why not? We have an income of about £90m and a wage bill of circa £30m. Surely we have plenty to spend on transfers and wages with all the outgoing players and parachute money.
Put it this way. Our Prem parachute money is going to be less than last year, so I can't see us buying alot more than last season. And who did we buy last season?
It was mainly loans.
And I read somewhere that we still owe payment instalments on some previous transfers.

I think we're looking at alot of loans, some youth players coming through topped up by a couple of purchases.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 09:14:57 PM

Why not? We have an income of about £90m and a wage bill of circa £30m. Surely we have plenty to spend on transfers and wages with all the outgoing players and parachute money.


What's this £90 million income? Can you break it down? Seems an estimate on the VERY high side.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 10, 2019, 09:19:53 PM

Worse analogy ever. Youd just loan another car... much like Albion. Or buy a car with the money you saved by loaning last year...

What save money by loaning !!!!!   Do you think these loan players come free ???  There is always a fee to be paid for loaning a player, so that money like loaning a car is dead money.  Where if you buy a player he is yours and hopefully he might be worth something in the future.  ( The Jrod deal is an exception because we lost money on that !!! )

If we had purchased Barnes and Gayle we would have been in a lot better position now !!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 09:28:11 PM
What save money by loaning !!!!!   Do you think these loan players come free ???  There is always a fee to be paid for loaning a player, so that money like loaning a car is dead money.  Where if you buy a player he is yours and hopefully he might be worth something in the future.  ( The Jrod deal is an exception because we lost money on that !!! )

If we had purchased Barnes and Gayle we would have been in a lot better position now !!!!


As I said a terrible analogy.


At least you're now taking about players again. Signing Barnes and Gayle would have cost circa £45 million, that for a player with some potential who had never played a Premier League game and a striker who had never scored more than 6 goals in a season in the top division.


Had we signed 28 year old Gayle for £20 million we certainly wouldn't make a profit 3 years down the line. Rodriguez is typical of our recent transfer dealings. Far from an exception.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on July 10, 2019, 09:31:24 PM
What save money by loaning !!!!!   Do you think these loan players come free ???  There is always a fee to be paid for loaning a player, so that money like loaning a car is dead money.  Where if you buy a player he is yours and hopefully he might be worth something in the future.  ( The Jrod deal is an exception because we lost money on that !!! )

If we had purchased Barnes and Gayle we would have been in a lot better position now !!!!

If you’re doing car analogies...

I can only afford to buy a 1.2-1.4 about 8 years old with 80k miles on the clock but if I got a car on finance I’d be able to get a brand new one. It wouldn’t be mine but I’d get the best out of it while I had it!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 10, 2019, 09:41:31 PM

Why not? We have an income of about £90m and a wage bill of circa £30m. Surely we have plenty to spend on transfers and wages with all the outgoing players and parachute money.

I am afraid not. The last season that we were in the Premier League our turnover was £124.7m
This was made up as follows

Gate Receipts £7.4m
Commercial £15.3m
Media  £101.9m

Last Season Our Media income fell to £41.5m assuming that all other income remained the same and I suspect it won't then gives an income for last season of roughly £64m and that is probably a very generous estimate. This season the parachute payments fall by a further £6.6m giving the club an income of no more than £57m. Our wage bill for last season was reportedly £38m.

Back on to the subject at hand plainly Bilic knew what he was letting himself in for when he took the job on, there is a plan there will be signings, I suspect not as many as some would like and I am completely convinced many of the youngsters will have more prominent roles this season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 10, 2019, 11:28:49 PM

What's this £90 million income? Can you break it down? Seems an estimate on the VERY high side.

-Parachute payment 2nd year: £35m
-Champ TV revenue: £8.5m (£7.8m plus £50k each live game).
-Dawson £6m
-Jrod £10m
-Rondon £16.5m
-Morgan Rogers £4m
-Ticket, match day and commercial £7m

That’s £87m income and I’ve probably underestimated our season ticket, match day and commercial income.

I can’t see how our wage bill can be any more than £25m as it stands, we only have 16 established players to pay.

We have bills to pay as players are bought and sold in instalments but that works both ways. So we’re playing the final part for Gibbs this summer and getting more money in for Chadli.

That would leave £62m to spend on transfers and wages without being in debt. Even if I’m £10m out it’s a lot of money available. Not that I’m confident the board are going to spend it or spend it wisely.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 10, 2019, 11:43:58 PM
Rondon is still our player.


Rodriguez cost Burnley £5 million.


Have a look at Stans post for more accurate figures.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 11, 2019, 12:36:16 AM
Rondon is still our player.


Rodriguez cost Burnley £5 million.


Have a look at Stans post for more accurate figures.

Rodriguez cost Burnley £10m as you well know, good effort though. Like all transfers the fee is to be paid in instalments. Secondly, is anyone realistically expecting Rondon's clause not to be met this summer? Stan's figures are similar to my own, save for he had not accounted for incoming transfers fees of £36.5m. I'd presumed our wage bill now stands at £25m. He said it was £38m last summer, with all the players gone that it might be even lower than £25m at present. Overall income is around £70m with Rondon or £86m with him sold and our wages can't be more than £25m so we should have £45-60m to invest in rebuilding the team.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 11, 2019, 12:46:27 AM
Rodriguez cost Burnley £10m as you well know, good effort though. Like all transfers the fee is to be paid in instalments. Secondly, is anyone realistically expecting Rondon's clause not to be met this summer? Stan's figures are similar to my own, save for he had not accounted for incoming transfers fees of £36.5m. I'd presumed our wage bill now stands at £25m. He said it was £38m last summer, with all the players gone that it might be even lower than £25m at present. Overall income is around £70m with Rondon or £86m with him sold and our wages can't be more than £25m so we should have £45-60m to invest in rebuilding the team.


I'll have a wager with you we wont spend more than £20 million.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 11, 2019, 01:18:40 AM
-Parachute payment 2nd year: £35m
-Champ TV revenue: £8.5m (£7.8m plus £50k each live game).
-Dawson £6m
-Jrod £10m
-Rondon £16.5m
-Morgan Rogers £4m
-Ticket, match day and commercial £7m

That’s £87m income and I’ve probably underestimated our season ticket, match day and commercial income.

I can’t see how our wage bill can be any more than £25m as it stands, we only have 16 established players to pay.

We have bills to pay as players are bought and sold in instalments but that works both ways. So we’re playing the final part for Gibbs this summer and getting more money in for Chadli.

That would leave £62m to spend on transfers and wages without being in debt. Even if I’m £10m out it’s a lot of money available. Not that I’m confident the board are going to spend it or spend it wisely.

We don't get both the parachute payment and the league tv money. The £38m was the annual cost of wages for last season. Players contracts run from 1st July to end of June. Until a fortnight ago we were still paying all our players including Morrison and Barry.

Rondon is indeed our player and he is costing us £56,000 a week or £0.5m since his retunr from Newcastle.

Transfer fees are not income they are one off capital transactions. Any profit is booked in the current year but the actual payment is generally made in instalments like the £10m for Jay Rod £5m now and £5m next year. There is a cash flow issue where incoming and outgoing fees don't cancel each other out. The £5m we are getting for Jay Rod is neatly paying the last instalment of the Burke fee.

I am not saying there isn't money but we are not awash with it and the amount of money we can commit to fees is limited and is not simple as we have £30m in fees coming in we can spend £30m on fees going out. The other issue is that our income will plummet if we are still a championship club next season. We have to be very careful of taking on wage commitments that we can't afford when our income is scheduled to fall by another £16m 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 11, 2019, 01:32:09 AM
Lovely post cheers Stan.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on July 11, 2019, 09:00:23 AM

I'll have a wager with you we wont spend more than £20 million.

I do agree with this. cannot see us spending more than £20m. like others have said we still have installment payments due on players.

also this summer we are due the final payment of £7m for Chadli. i think if we are to seriously compete and spend wisely then we need to be spending between £20-30m and be clever with a few loans.

I just have a feeling that Bilic is going to do well here.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2019, 11:37:38 AM
Stumbled onto the Slaven Bilic thread half expecting sagacious discourse as to the effeminacy of his seated posture in contrast to the square jawed masculinity displayed when drawing on his cigarettes being subliminal evidence of the 'The Jenkins Effect' on his tortured inner soul. General accountancy of figures plucked out of thin air in several cases then jumbled with an imaginary abacus flying through the air's far more stimulating though. Phew,  ;D .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Black Country Pride on July 11, 2019, 11:40:24 AM
Stumbled onto the Slaven Bilic thread half expecting sagacious discourse as to the effeminacy of his seated posture in contrast to the square jawed masculinity displayed when drawing on his cigarettes being subliminal evidence of the 'The Jenkins Effect' on his tortured inner soul. General accountancy of figures plucked out of thin air in several cases then jumbled with an imaginary abacus flying through the air's far more stimulating though. Phew,  ;D .

You do make me chuckle  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 11, 2019, 11:52:29 AM
Stumbled onto the Slaven Bilic thread half expecting sagacious discourse as to the effeminacy of his seated posture in contrast to the square jawed masculinity displayed when drawing on his cigarettes being subliminal evidence of the 'The Jenkins Effect' on his tortured inner soul. General accountancy of figures plucked out of thin air in several cases then jumbled with an imaginary abacus flying through the air's far more stimulating though. Phew,  ;D .

great imagery although it's more likely to be salacious discourse rather than sagacious!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 11, 2019, 12:14:50 PM
great imagery although it's more likely to be salacious discourse rather than sagacious!

I wouldn't be so sure !
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on July 11, 2019, 12:54:40 PM
I don't know why, but i am looking forward to the start of the new season. Probably because i always do, but i think more because we will have a new manager and see new players.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 11, 2019, 01:01:44 PM
I don't know why, but i am looking forward to the start of the new season. Probably because i always do, but i think more because we will have a new manager and see new players.

new player at the moment
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBArgo on July 11, 2019, 07:50:55 PM
Seems that Bilic may put his faith in Oli Burke?

I say this based on our social media at the moment, it seems to be featuring Burke a lot. It could be really good management if Bilic was able to unlock his potential.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on July 11, 2019, 07:57:51 PM
Seems that Bilic may put his faith in Oli Burke?

I say this based on our social media at the moment, it seems to be featuring Burke a lot. It could be really good management if Bilic was able to unlock his potential.
Bilic doesn't have many other alternatives to Burke up front at the moment.
Getting forwards in is our number 1 priority right now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2019, 08:58:27 PM
Seems that Bilic may put his faith in Oli Burke?

I say this based on our social media at the moment, it seems to be featuring Burke a lot. It could be really good management if Bilic was able to unlock his potential.


Might not be a bad thing. I think we will see a much different Oli Burke this season, I can see him surprising a few people and making a big impact. He's been messed about a bit at Albion and his confidence must have been shot.

Under Slaven I think he'll look a different player.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 11, 2019, 09:13:23 PM
Slav isn't the issue though is he?  who negotiates and signs the contracts?
The person that got Barnes,Gayle,Holgate on loan, the same person that convinced an out of contract "billy big balls apparently" teenager to sign a three year deal

I actually think he's good at his job
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 11, 2019, 09:53:05 PM
The person that got Barnes,Gayle,Holgate on loan, the same person that convinced an out of contract "billy big balls apparently" teenager to sign a three year deal

I actually think he's good at his job

Dowling?

If so he didn't join until end of September so Gayle and Barnes nothing to do with him and I would say Bilic persuaded Harper to stay more than anything.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 11, 2019, 10:39:51 PM
Dowling?

If so he didn't join until end of September so Gayle and Barnes nothing to do with him and I would say Bilic persuaded Harper to stay more than anything.
You and your facts 😂
I'm not having the bit about Harper, we would have been well down the line before Slav joined
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 11, 2019, 10:44:46 PM
You and your facts 😂
I'm not having the bit about Harper, we would have been well down the line before Slav joined

 :D Sorry mate

I'm not sure, I think he was waiting to see who the new manager was before deciding so i'll go with the Slav chat keeping him here.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on July 11, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
Seems that Bilic may put his faith in Oli Burke?

I say this based on our social media at the moment, it seems to be featuring Burke a lot. It could be really good management if Bilic was able to unlock his potential.

Oli Burke reminds me of Steve Kindon of Dingles, only with more ability, wasted on the wing as he doesn't look up enough, but could be useful down the middle provided we get a decent striker alongside him, and i don't mean HRK.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 12, 2019, 12:15:12 AM
Oli Burke reminds me of Steve Kindon of Dingles, only with more ability, wasted on the wing as he doesn't look up enough, but could be useful down the middle provided we get a decent striker alongside him, and i don't mean HRK.
Steve Kindon. The build of a carthorse..speed of a racehorse..brains of a rocking horse.  :D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on July 12, 2019, 12:25:19 AM
I'm reading lots of Slaven this and Slaven that and rightly so as it's a Slaven thread and he's our new boss. While genuinely looking forward to his time with us let's not go too overboard on what he can and can't do though, never mind regards his effect on players we haven't even signed yet. I don't mean to put a downer on things but time will tell. Just saying........ COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: NJS on July 13, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
I'm following the discussions on what money the Albion might have to spend with grateful interest   We don't seem to have taken into account capital gains tax on sale / disposal of assets.

Presumably the taxable gain of selling Morgan Rogers will be offset by the eventual loss incurred by the disposal of Burke?

CGT seems to present an argument for retaining players  - especially those from the academy who have cost very little and might be sold for a goodly sum?

Or aren't players assets from an HMRC point of view?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 13, 2019, 10:27:15 AM
No CGT for limited companies they pay Corporation Tax on profits some of which might come from trading players contracts.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 13, 2019, 10:53:09 AM
We had no hope of permanently signing either players and both made a huge impact. To me they are a great example of why we should use loans. Holgate too!

Also, buying players before selling? Come on. This is just basic stuff. I assume that when you buy a new car you buy it and then look to sell your old car? Same with when you buy a house?

Every player has his price .  It depends how confident Albion with their purchasing  !!!

The second point , Isn't that what I said !!!! , buy players first then get rid of anyone you want to sell.
However, we have done it the other way around and a lot of West Brom fans are getting nervous because as it stands our forward line is  HRK and Burke.

I know Bilic says we have irons in the fire but one fire went out yesterday when Callum Robinson went to Sheff Utd and we had bid for him.

At the moment our squad looks like a relegation battle squad. We have got one new player in and he's a loan and now there is only about 25 days to go !!!.

We need to be seeing at least one player a week from now, if not more.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 13, 2019, 11:34:30 AM
I DO think he has been given a short term brief of 'work with the kids and whatever signings we can get this season, with a view to more signings next season in the Prem.'

If anyone can get the youth working to their maximum though I'd put money on Slaven.

Interesting times I think.

If we don't get new signings this season we will be nowhere near the prem.

A lot of our kids are basically not good enough . We have seen that last season. Harper needs to get more involved in matches, Leko is just too poor.  edwards I like and he is the one shining light.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Windmill Baggy on July 13, 2019, 12:47:00 PM
Every player has his price .  It depends how confident Albion with their purchasing  !!!

The second point , Isn't that what I said !!!! , buy players first then get rid of anyone you want to sell.
However, we have done it the other way around and a lot of West Brom fans are getting nervous because as it stands our forward line is  HRK and Burke.

I know Bilic says we have irons in the fire but one fire went out yesterday when Callum Robinson went to Sheff Utd and we had bid for him.

At the moment our squad looks like a relegation battle squad. We have got one new player in and he's a loan and now there is only about 25 days to go !!!.

We need to be seeing at least one player a week from now, if not more.

While he's still likely to leave, as long as he's under contract than our current front line is Rondon as a sole striker in a 4-5-1 set-up. We need a CB, RB and LW to come into the first XI, and 3-4 squad players. We'll probably make a few signings in the next 3 and a bit weeks, and then make 4 (mostly loans) on deadline day.

If Rondon does go, then we'll need 1 more.

I'm confident that Slaven and the board will make some good signings by the window's close.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on July 13, 2019, 01:09:48 PM
Every player has his price .  It depends how confident Albion with their purchasing  !!!

The second point , Isn't that what I said !!!! , buy players first then get rid of anyone you want to sell.
However, we have done it the other way around and a lot of West Brom fans are getting nervous because as it stands our forward line is  HRK and Burke.

I know Bilic says we have irons in the fire but one fire went out yesterday when Callum Robinson went to Sheff Utd and we had bid for him.

At the moment our squad looks like a relegation battle squad. We have got one new player in and he's a loan and now there is only about 25 days to go !!!.

We need to be seeing at least one player a week from now, if not more.

You missed my point. You are forgetting the basics of cash flow and managing the finances. Unless we have a bottomless pool of cash - which we don’t - then we have to sell first. Buying players on the assumption that we will sell player x for value x would be totally irresponsible.

Thank goodness you don’t run the club - we’d be broke in a summer.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 13, 2019, 01:44:34 PM
You missed my point. You are forgetting the basics of cash flow and managing the finances. Unless we have a bottomless pool of cash - which we don’t - then we have to sell first. Buying players on the assumption that we will sell player x for value x would be totally irresponsible.

Thank goodness you don’t run the club - we’d be broke in a summer.

Let's face it we are not talking about millions. And just to put the record straight I was the accountant for many manufacturing companies and if we ever needed a new manufacturing machine we would buy it first then offload the old one to another company.  The reason for doing this was because we would never lose any manufacturing hours !!! 

So using your scenario we are now sitting here without a decent striker, constantly missing out on potential targets and the clock is ticking. Will we replace the 40+ goals we have lost .  No .  Clubs also know how much they can push the asking price too because they will know how much money we have !!!

We see other clubs buying strikers. Even Tom Eaves of Gillingham 20+ goals last season, avaliable on a free. Could have been a good back up striker or potential 1st choice . But Hull beat us to him.

Like I said before, at the moment our squad is relegation battle material. 

So let's just be thankful you don't run our club because we would start the season without any players and have a relegation battle on our hands.

Bilic is potentially a good manager and could potentially do a good job for us but the club need to give him the tools !!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on July 13, 2019, 02:55:00 PM
Let's face it we are not talking about millions. And just to put the record straight I was the accountant for many manufacturing companies and if we ever needed a new manufacturing machine we would buy it first then offload the old one to another company.  The reason for doing this was because we would never lose any manufacturing hours !!! 

So using your scenario we are now sitting here without a decent striker, constantly missing out on potential targets and the clock is ticking. Will we replace the 40+ goals we have lost .  No .  Clubs also know how much they can push the asking price too because they will know how much money we have !!!

We see other clubs buying strikers. Even Tom Eaves of Gillingham 20+ goals last season, avaliable on a free. Could have been a good back up striker or potential 1st choice . But Hull beat us to him.

Like I said before, at the moment our squad is relegation battle material. 

So let's just be thankful you don't run our club because we would start the season without any players and have a relegation battle on our hands.

Bilic is potentially a good manager and could potentially do a good job for us but the club need to give him the tools !!!!

Hmmm :)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 13, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
Hmmm :)

So the lesson today is buy before you sell !!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on July 13, 2019, 04:27:18 PM
So the lesson today is buy before you sell !!!!

Not for me it isn’t.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 16, 2019, 03:05:05 PM
I see Slav's been having a bit of a dig already.
I think reality at this club might be dawning on him

https://wba.vitalfootball.co.uk/is-it-close-i-hope-its-close-bilic-makes-interesting-transfer-comments-at-west-brom/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 16, 2019, 03:54:42 PM
I've got to admit that after the good news of getting Bilic in and the prospect of some new signings we are now sitting here with no one signed , about 23 days left of the transfer window and our new manager even coming out with some truthful negative comments about the club.

If we end up with a poor squad for the start of the season, and that's what we have got at the moment, Dowling and Jenkins should be made to pay with their jobs because they are the ones failing us.

This could be another Steve Bruce situation where Bilic is gone with a few months. 

Next season will be a relegation battle rather than a promotion one !!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbarenno on July 16, 2019, 04:14:08 PM
As every day passes the more I’m convincing myself bilic will walk before the season starts . We’re a a mess
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 16, 2019, 04:19:58 PM
Yep, sadly can't see him sticking it out here. The board are already showing their true nature again. Shameful.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on July 16, 2019, 04:23:52 PM
The irony is that he said the board interference and philosophy at West Ham was a major reason he struggled in his second season...You ain’t seen nothing yet Slav :(
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 16, 2019, 04:28:25 PM
Somehow we have to get Jenkins and Dowling out of the club before they ruin OUR club.

Bilic was a good appointment but those two have taken all the positive out of the situation.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 16, 2019, 05:00:33 PM
Get the sheet out on the first Sky TV match...Jenkins and Dowling OUT !
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 16, 2019, 05:30:04 PM
As every day passes the more I’m convincing myself bilic will walk before the season starts . We’re a a mess

That too has crossed my mind, I doubt if Bilic suffers fools gladly
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: charlebaggie on July 16, 2019, 05:37:53 PM
Get the sheet out on the first Sky TV match...Jenkins and Dowling OUT !
    The saying goes "Dont shoot the Messanger ".They are only acting on the messages they are getting from China . We are in a bl...y Mess
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on July 16, 2019, 05:42:27 PM
Our best signing for a manager in years'sssss  :) , hope he's not the shortest. :'(
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kirk on July 16, 2019, 05:52:32 PM
    The saying goes "Dont shoot the Messanger ".They are only acting on the messages they are getting from China . We are in a bl...y Mess

But wasn’t that the same message they got from JP
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pureade1 on July 16, 2019, 06:11:46 PM
Bilic seems like someone who is very big on principles. Hope I am wrong but I get the feeling he has been lied to as much as we have by these Chinese thieves and will walk before the start of the season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kanu on July 16, 2019, 06:12:05 PM
Crucial few days to come. Either we back Bilic with 7+ players. Probably 4 loans and 3 bought, of which 3 or more need to be quality, sit up and take notice signings OR Big Slav walks. Really hope not but if we’re going to treat him like a fool and disrespect him then we can’t be surprised if he acts accordingly.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on July 16, 2019, 06:58:25 PM
As every day passes the more I’m convincing myself bilic will walk before the season starts . We’re a a mess

Not a chance in my view. He will have been told score before he took the job. Just hope I’m right........
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on July 16, 2019, 07:22:52 PM
Not a chance in my view. He will have been told score before he took the job. Just hope I’m right........

So what was he told, we have just spent eight consecutive seasons in the Premier League and been taken over by a billionaire but we are skint.
If i was Bilic i would ask, so why are we trying to get back there?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 16, 2019, 07:38:20 PM
This $#1T is worrying.

I don't want us lose Bilic that's for sure.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on July 16, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
I have said all along, Lai, is an asset stripper, and Jenkins and Dowling are his bailiffs. We were bought for the land we own.
Jenkins comments about us being skint after 8 years in the Prem were just an excuse to start the dissection.
If we had been really serious about going up last season we wouldn't have appointed a rookie manager, and we would have certainly had someone lined up when we sacked him, not let the season peter out with another Rookie.
We wouldn't have let Gayle go if we had any intentions of going up this season either.

I was excited when we appointed Slaven, but it seems he was just a name to quieten the rumblings amongst the fans.
I can see him walking, and then we will really be up the creek.

The writing is on the wall, and has been since the day when Lai bought everyone a drink and a scarf.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 16, 2019, 08:05:45 PM
Does anyone know if the club owns the land which the training ground is on. I do know that it was owned by Aston university back in the 1980s.
If it’s the clubs and planning permission for residential development could be obtained it would be a potentially very valuable asset
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 16, 2019, 08:23:18 PM

If we had been really serious about going up last season we wouldn't have appointed a rookie manager, and we would have certainly had someone lined up when we sacked him, not let the season peter out with another Rookie.


Spot on. Soon as we appointed DM it felt like we were not that fussed, then when it went rapidly downhill a few months into the season no action was taken, when they finally got rid of DM still no action was taken.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hardtobeat on July 16, 2019, 08:26:59 PM
Am now coming round to the thought that Bilic will quit sooner rather than later ,maybe not before the start of the season but would not be in the least surprised if he wasn't here by October 1st  :( :( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 16, 2019, 08:37:37 PM
It's amazing how the mood on all these forums across all subjects, has become so downbeat over the last week.

Understandably so.  From losing our bright  kids , losing valuable backroom staff, lack of signings and seeing potential signings going to other clubs.

I really can't see us doing anything good next season and I for one feel conned by the club. They got us to renew our season tickets early and now they have the money they are not delivering with any signings to give us some optimism.

I just hope Bilic rides it out and hopefully out stays Jenkins and Dowling. They are the two ruining our club.

I predict that the only signings we will get are loan signings to probably see us through the season and in a years time we will be doing the same and so the cycle will keep happening.

I hate to say it but I can see us ending up like Coventry. I just hope Lai doesn't strip us of our ground. Together Lai, Jenkins and Dowling are going to rip our great club apart. There is no one at the club who cares enough about the club !!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Gilsey 56 on July 16, 2019, 09:06:11 PM
I really do think there is a chance Slav will walk unless something happens soon, I know we couldn't move until the manager had come in and gave his preferences, but come on!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 16, 2019, 09:33:45 PM
Everybody who is talking about Bilic walking and stressing out....hasn't it occurred to you that we will be doing our business late on, probably a big proportion on deadline day? We're also probably being a creatively flexible with our wage bill to save a few extra quid. We're not going to spend months waiting for Bilic, then pay his wages and not back him do you? When I say back him, I don't mean spending £5m-€20m on multiple players but to make wages available for high quality loans, and free transfers. We'll do plenty of business this window, while it's better to get them in early, I'd rather wait for the right players rather than panicking and getting any old player in because we're light of numbers in training for a few weeks. Stoke signed 5 players in a day a while back, does that mean they have an advantage over us? We can't know that till our business is complete.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kanu on July 16, 2019, 11:47:20 PM
Everybody who is talking about Bilic walking and stressing out....hasn't it occurred to you that we will be doing our business late on, probably a big proportion on deadline day? We're also probably being a creatively flexible with our wage bill to save a few extra quid. We're not going to spend months waiting for Bilic, then pay his wages and not back him do you? When I say back him, I don't mean spending £5m-€20m on multiple players but to make wages available for high quality loans, and free transfers. We'll do plenty of business this window, while it's better to get them in early, I'd rather wait for the right players rather than panicking and getting any old player in because we're light of numbers in training for a few weeks. Stoke signed 5 players in a day a while back, does that mean they have an advantage over us? We can't know that till our business is complete.
That’s true and it’s what I’m clinging onto but it’s now getting very late to buy right and integrate them all in time to hit the ground running. The fact that Slaven Bilic is expressing concerns is more worrying.
Stoke have signed 7 quickly but I’ve had a research if those players and I wouldn’t particularly want any of them here. We need to drastically improve our squad not just get our numbers up for the sake of it. And to be fair that’s what I believe we’re trying to do and that’s contributing to the time it’s taking. If we’d opted for similar players as stoke have gone for we’d probably have 7 in too by now. They haven’t been very imaginative or ambitious either. We need more like Krovinovic, young, skilful and potential game changers.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 16, 2019, 11:50:26 PM
Everybody who is talking about Bilic walking and stressing out....hasn't it occurred to you that we will be doing our business late on, probably a big proportion on deadline day? We're also probably being a creatively flexible with our wage bill to save a few extra quid. We're not going to spend months waiting for Bilic, then pay his wages and not back him do you? When I say back him, I don't mean spending £5m-€20m on multiple players but to make wages available for high quality loans, and free transfers. We'll do plenty of business this window, while it's better to get them in early, I'd rather wait for the right players rather than panicking and getting any old player in because we're light of numbers in training for a few weeks. Stoke signed 5 players in a day a while back, does that mean they have an advantage over us? We can't know that till our business is complete.
I could marry you
Said exactly the same to someone earlier ,but what we can get easily now even if not right....or wait and get the right player at the right price
Hard work isn’t it ?😂😂
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on July 17, 2019, 12:33:56 AM
I don't think we can jump to too many conclusions just yet. I can understand that getting the money for Rondon would be an important factor, and lets face it, the deal was only agreed in the last 48 hours (even then its not completly official). If there was a last minute hitch, we could have a very awkward cash flow situation, if we'd made commitments elsewhere. We certainly need alot of incoming players, esp strikers, though ironically I think some on the Forum haven't helped things by encouraging Dawson and JayRod's departures.
About Billic, I don't know who's heard what, but I think Matt Wilson has his ear close to the ground (and he was out on the Costa Blanca). On his podcast, he too picked up on Billic's concerns about lack of new players, but he wasn't suggesting it was panic stations. When Billic's was first interviewed he also acknowledged there was some luck involved in getting the right players in.
Don't get me wrong, losing Gayle and JayRod's goals especially, has given us a major problem, but let's see where we are on Transfer Deadline day.   

 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 17, 2019, 01:31:20 AM
I don't think we can jump to too many conclusions just yet. I can understand that getting the money for Rondon would be an important factor, and lets face it, the deal was only agreed in the last 48 hours (even then its not completly official). If there was a last minute hitch, we could have a very awkward cash flow situation, if we'd made commitments elsewhere. We certainly need alot of incoming players, esp strikers, though ironically I think some on the Forum haven't helped things by encouraging Dawson and JayRod's departures.
About Billic, I don't know who's heard what, but I think Matt Wilson has his ear close to the ground (and he was out on the Costa Blanca). On his podcast, he too picked up on Billic's concerns about lack of new players, but he wasn't suggesting it was panic stations. When Billic's was first interviewed he also acknowledged there was some luck involved in getting the right players in.
Don't get me wrong, losing Gayle and JayRod's goals especially, has given us a major problem, but let's see where we are on Transfer Deadline day.


I am with this in general. I think Slaven wears his heart on his sleeve a little bit more than some coaches and was frustrated with what he saw against Villareal and hence the comments about needing players. There is no way that he was not aware of the situation that he was taking on and unless he was flat out lied to (and that would be the dumbest lie in history because it would take a matter of weeks to be exposed) he isn't going to walk out.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 17, 2019, 07:23:33 AM
Board need a kick up the old backside and Slaven has given them one over to Jenkins and Dowling to do their jobs.
Glad to see Bilic hasn't become a yes man
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kanu on July 17, 2019, 07:30:39 AM
There’s 4 days left of the week that Slav has basically said ‘there had better be some signings’. Just as we finally get a forward thinking, attack minded manager....The consequences of our inept board don’t bear thinking about
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on July 17, 2019, 09:25:58 AM
Everybody who is talking about Bilic walking and stressing out....hasn't it occurred to you that we will be doing our business late on, probably a big proportion on deadline day? We're also probably being a creatively flexible with our wage bill to save a few extra quid. We're not going to spend months waiting for Bilic, then pay his wages and not back him do you? When I say back him, I don't mean spending £5m-€20m on multiple players but to make wages available for high quality loans, and free transfers. We'll do plenty of business this window, while it's better to get them in early, I'd rather wait for the right players rather than panicking and getting any old player in because we're light of numbers in training for a few weeks. Stoke signed 5 players in a day a while back, does that mean they have an advantage over us? We can't know that till our business is complete.

That's exactly what you do end up with if you leave it too late, the players nobody else wants and you end up panic buying at the last minute.  You can't build a successful team on loan players. 

I thought with Bilic coming in the rest of the club would start to think and act a bit more professional rather than let the club be run like on the cheap  by getting in loan players and free transfers . In other words, players nobody else wants.

We got loan players in last season and look where we are now !!!!

You also have to integrate them into the team.  This is something most clubs use pre season matches to do , not competitive league matches !!!!

I do admire people's optimism but I do think they need to come back to reality. 

We need to sign at least 2 players each week and this week is half way gone now !!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 19, 2019, 05:02:35 PM
Ok, getting ready to get absolutely pelted here but I'm having early concerns about Slaven already.

It's pre-season, I understand that and all the rest of it but the trigger was the comment that he wants to play two up top. That to me sets alarm bells ringing already. I didn't expect this from Slaven or any foreign coach. If he wants to play two up top then 3-5-2 is pretty much the only option. 4-4-2 at least a flat version will leave us compromised and will NOT work over the course of the season.

Potential signings mostly seem to be revolving around athleticism but compromising on quality on the ball Krovinovic excepted. We need a mix.

The team selection in Benidorm was woeful first half. Two in CM Harper and Livermore was shocking, nothing there at all. As for Leko, I'm not even going to mention him any further. This makes me wonder if that is in Slav's head  his first choice midfield. If it is then god help us. Second half he went with three Krovinovic, Brunt, Field and we looked better which is encouraging but it was after the match he made the two up top comments. Really worrying.

I will be watching like a hawk what he does at Scunthorpe tomorrow.

I accept, it's far too early to make a proper judgement just yet, hence the "early" concerns.

Go on pelt me!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on July 19, 2019, 05:08:34 PM
Ok, getting ready to get absolutely pelted here but I'm having early concerns about Slaven already.

It's pre-season, I understand that and all the rest of it but the trigger was the comment that he wants to play two up top. That to me sets alarm bells ringing already. I didn't expect this from Slaven or any foreign coach. If he wants to play two up top then 3-5-2 is pretty much the only option. 4-4-2 at least a flat version will leave us compromised and will NOT work over the course of the season.

Potential signings mostly seem to be revolving around athleticism but compromising on quality on the ball Krovinovic excepted. We need a mix.

The team selection in Benidorm was woeful first half. Two in CM Harper and Livermore was shocking, nothing there at all. As for Leko, I'm not even going to mention him any further. This makes me wonder if that is in Slav's head  his first choice midfield. If it is then god help us. Second half he went with three Krovinovic, Brunt, Field and we looked better which is encouraging but it was after the match he made the two up top comments. Really worrying.

I will be watching like a hawk what he does at Scunthorpe tomorrow.

I accept, it's far too early to make a proper judgement just yet, hence the "early" concerns.

Go on pelt me!

I think it's a case of him picking the formation to suit the personnel we have at present. We don't have a proper right back and only 2 fit CH's! The starting 11 needs another 4/5 new faces or it will be a tough season. The squad at present is very poor. Slav will only have needed to watch the 2 play off games to see where our weaknesses are.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 19, 2019, 05:10:55 PM
I think it's a case of him picking the formation to suit the personnel we have at present. We don't have a proper right back and only 2 fit CH's! The starting 11 needs another 4/5 new faces or it will be a tough season. The squad at present is very poor. Slav will only have needed to watch the 2 play off games to see where our weaknesses are.


I can accept your point to a degree but why 4-4-2 in Benidorm with Livermore and Harper CM?

He could've played 4-3-3 with Burke and Edwards wide of Robson-Kanu with Brunt, Sam and Filip in CM.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pie on July 19, 2019, 05:36:49 PM
Bilic is a clever man, If he plays 1 up top in pre-season the board will tell him he only needs 1 more striker to come in.

He probably wants two new strikers, so making comments about playing two up top when we only have 2 strikers could help him bring that extra player on board. Then revert to 1 up top when he has them  8)

Away from that I just read this article which I found amusing:
https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/the-shithouse-files-slaven-bilic-v-france-when-he-broke-blancs-heart/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2019, 05:57:58 PM
Bilic is a clever man, If he plays 1 up top in pre-season the board will tell him he only needs 1 more striker to come in.

He probably wants two new strikers, so making comments about playing two up top when we only have 2 strikers could help him bring that extra player on board. Then revert to 1 up top when he has them  8)

Away from that I just read this article which I found amusing:
https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/the-shithouse-files-slaven-bilic-v-france-when-he-broke-blancs-heart/ (https://www.planetfootball.com/nostalgia/the-shithouse-files-slaven-bilic-v-france-when-he-broke-blancs-heart/)


My thoughts too.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 19, 2019, 06:23:40 PM
It is way too soon to draw any firm conclusions. Although I must admit I share some of the concerns voiced about the "2 up top" If we don't get what is behind the 2 right be that in a 4-4-2 or a 3-5-2 then we are going to struggle.

On reflection and I don't claim to have worked this out at the time but Moore persevering with a front 2 was part of his undoing. While the front 2 scored plenty because of the compromises made elsewhere to accomodate them we didn't control games in the way we should have done at times and that cost us any number of points.

I hope Bilic does not fall into the same trap. However he is still getting to understand the players he has and their limitations. Equally there are still a number of players to be recruited so we are not in a position to judge and in point of fact I would want to see at least half a dozen competitive fixtures before getting the burning pitchforks out (again!!) :D   
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 19, 2019, 06:29:05 PM
Of course having more mobile midfielders, capable of winning proper tackles without giving needless fouls away coupled with a new football playing CH and a proper full back or two would enable us to play any formation you like.

Play the formation that suits your teams collective skills

Tay rocket science :o
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on July 19, 2019, 06:37:49 PM
Playing a back three who weren't comfortable on the ball and trying to play out of defence is what did us last season.
Had we played a back four we wouldn't have leaked so many goals.
It also helps if you don't take one or both of your strikers off during a game.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggies on July 19, 2019, 06:53:03 PM
Playing a front 3 will always be my own preference, as that seems the modern way, although i'm not reading too much into his 442 talk so far. Could be a bluff as others have said, and he could also change his mind quite quickly and revert to his previous form of having more of a 451/433 variation.

My own reservations about Bilic are down to his very ordinary club football record, and so i'm not expecting great things. Love him as a pundit though.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 19, 2019, 08:16:18 PM
Ok, getting ready to get absolutely pelted here but I'm having early concerns about Slaven already. It's pre-season, I understand that and all the rest of it but the trigger was the comment that he wants to play two up top. That to me sets alarm bells ringing already. I didn't expect this from Slaven or any foreign coach. If he wants to play two up top then 3-5-2 is pretty much the only option. 4-4-2 at least a flat version will leave us compromised and will NOT work over the course of the season.

Potential signings mostly seem to be revolving around athleticism but compromising on quality on the ball Krovinovic excepted. We need a mix.

The team selection in Benidorm was woeful first half. Two in CM Harper and Livermore was shocking, nothing there at all. As for Leko, I'm not even going to mention him any further. This makes me wonder if that is in Slav's head  his first choice midfield. If it is then god help us. Second half he went with three Krovinovic, Brunt, Field and we looked better which is encouraging but it was after the match he made the two up top comments. Really worrying.

I will be watching like a hawk what he does at Scunthorpe tomorrow.

I accept, it's far too early to make a proper judgement just yet, hence the "early" concerns.

Go on pelt me!

Not many teams play 442 but some do and are successful with it, Burnley and Sean Dyche being a good example so it's simplistic and wrong to claim that you can't be successful with 442, Alex Ferguson built Man Utd on two strikers. 433 is more in fashion these days with City and Liverpool but ultimately you need good players.

I don't think it really matters what formation we used against Villarreal, or who he picked. We have a skeleton squad and preseason is about getting the fitness levels right. I think your panicking and reading too much into an early pre-season friendly. I'm sure we're going to have plenty of time to have a meltdown once the window closes and the season starts!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on July 19, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
It is way too soon to draw any firm conclusions. Although I must admit I share some of the concerns voiced about the "2 up top" If we don't get what is behind the 2 right be that in a 4-4-2 or a 3-5-2 then we are going to struggle.

On reflection and I don't claim to have worked this out at the time but Moore persevering with a front 2 was part of his undoing. While the front 2 scored plenty because of the compromises made elsewhere to accomodate them we didn't control games in the way we should have done at times and that cost us any number of points.

I hope Bilic does not fall into the same trap. However he is still getting to understand the players he has and their limitations. Equally there are still a number of players to be recruited so we are not in a position to judge and in point of fact I would want to see at least half a dozen competitive fixtures before getting the burning pitchforks out (again!!) :D
I agree it was our failure to control games that was our undoing which boiled down to being out numbered / outrun in midfield. I'd be hard pushed to list 5 games where we actually controlled most of the play. The only time it looked right was on the few occasions we used Johansen as an AM making up a proper midfield three.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on July 20, 2019, 11:53:37 AM
Our undoing was trying to play it out from the back when we didn't have the players to do that.  I think this came from the backlash against Pulisball so we HAD to be seen to be playing some pretty football.  Our next problem was sticking with it when we gave cheap goal after cheap goal away.

Losing Barnes was a MASSIVE loss.

If we kept Barnes and stopped trying to play it out under stupid pressure we would have walked the league last season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 20, 2019, 12:00:54 PM
Just not playing it out from the back cost us enough points to get automatics. Barnes just got DM out of the hole more times than he deserved.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 20, 2019, 07:45:45 PM
Following on from my previous post, I'm more pleased tonight following the team selection at Scunthorpe. Not being able to find a stream I'm not certain of the exact formation but it seems it was either 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.

At the back, there was no place for Nyom. No bad thing. It's uncertain why but to be frank who cares? He's not good enough anyway. Nathan Ferguson picked ahead of Kane Wilson suggests that Wilson really doesn't figure in Bilic's plans after being largely ignored in Benidorm as well.Townsend started at left back with Gibbs being injured, again no bad thing for me and O'Shea once again partnered Bartley. At this stage it does seem like O'Shea is in Bilic's plans. He was the only outfield player not subbed last week and again he was given the most game time today. A clean sheet and from what I can make out, rarely really threatened.

I'll treat the midfield as a three for now. Glad to see Field making a start. He and Krovinovic looked decent in Benidorm and I'm glad they were picked today. Livermore as usual get's his place in the team. Not ideal for me. Hopefully Slaven sees the positives here. Field needs to be starting games this season and we need to retain three in the middle, even if one is played in a slightly more forward role.

Front three. Phillips was played up front in Benidorm and again in more of a forward role than the CM position he filled last season. This tells me that Slaven wants to play him further forwards. Good to see Edwards on the left hand side. Burke played through the middle. I'm not convinced this is his best position I can see him being better to the side of a target man (Zohore).

Overall, a positive day. It would be nice to think that Slaven has learned lessons pretty quickly but one swallow doesn't make a summer. I'm feeling a bit more hopeful now though.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 21, 2019, 10:34:44 AM
Glad to see he is giving the younger lads game time, Burke had a couple of assists so hopefully Slaven will unlock his potential.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on August 02, 2019, 12:33:00 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/08/02/slaven-bilic-exclusive-interview-manager-west-bromwich-albion/

What a great article, some fantastic insights into Bilic and some behind the scenes stuff at Albion. Think we have a quality man as well as manager. Please Albion don’t mess this up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on August 02, 2019, 06:21:49 PM
this man has turned into a baggie in a very short time. sounds like he's loving it here let's hope the boys above don t ruin it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on August 02, 2019, 06:47:18 PM
If his man managerment is half has good as is fan managerment, the baggies will be rocking  :D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/08/02/slaven-bilic-exclusive-interview-manager-west-bromwich-albion/

What a great article, some fantastic insights into Bilic and some behind the scenes stuff at Albion. Think we have a quality man as well as manager. Please Albion don’t mess this up.

What a thoroughly enjoyable read. I hope the love affair endures
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheBrom on August 02, 2019, 09:57:09 PM
Anyone care to post the article for those of us not Telegraph premium members?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on August 02, 2019, 10:12:56 PM
It was in April, on a flight from Split to Manchester, via Frankfurt, that Slaven Bilic made a list. On it he wrote the names of eight clubs around Europe who he would - realistically - like to manage and who might want him.

Two months later Bilic was appointed the head coach of West Bromwich Albion. “I signed and before I came here I was cleaning out my backpack,” he says. “And I pulled out the piece of paper and I had written on it ‘West Brom’. So I showed it to my wife, Ivana, and said, ‘Look at this’.”

With that he thumps the table and smiles broadly, not for the last time in this interview. “In life you can moan,” Bilic says. “About the quality of the food, about the weather, it’s too hot, whatever. But it’s f------ great. It’s great. Yes, ‘chairman this and this’ or ‘club this and this’ but I’m a football manager. I’m the manager of West Bromwich Albion and, hey, it’s bloody great! It’s a f------ privilege! Of course it’s hard but everything that’s good costs effort, energy. Am I happy? Of course I’m happy.”

He looks it. It is a balmy evening in Birmingham and Bilic is settling down for dinner in an Italian restaurant that he has taken a liking to. Frankly, the weather is too hot but the food is also very good and with West Brom set to kick off their Championship campaign away to Nottingham Forest on Saturday evening, Bilic is content to chew over his hopes for this season, his return to English football, the need to sign more players, the craving for the “pressure” of being a manager and why his fellow Croatian, Filip Krovinovic, who he has signed on loan from Benfica, can do it on a wet Tuesday night in Stoke.

Bilic had been out of work after being sacked by the Saudi Arabian club Al-Ittihad in February, just six months into a three-year contract following a change of the hierarchy. Of course, he admits, he went there for the money but there was also another reason.


“I need pressure,” Bilic, 51 in September, says. “I was talking to you about Saudi and one of the reasons I went there is that it matters; it’s pressure. It’s 50,000 people in the stadium and that’s what most of us, when you taste it, need to work - that kind of responsibility; that kind of power. You know what I mean? To feel that you are responsible for something big, that means a lot to the people.

“People talk about pressure as if it’s a sickness. There are many things wrong in football but pressure is not one of them. Pressure is good and then as a manager when you get the sack you need that adrenaline, you need that responsibility. It’s a job but it’s what you are.”

Bilic has a very defined plan for West Brom and it does not involve staying in the Championship. “To be fair the club did not say to me, ‘we have to go straight back to the Premier League’, but West Brom should challenge,” he says. “West Brom needs to be there until the end. West Brom’s ambition cannot be mid-table. They didn’t bring me for that.”




There is a big caveat. West Brom have lost a raft of players this summer, and big ones at that - Dwight Gayle, Jay Rodriguez and Craig Dawson have all departed, while Salomon Rondon has been sold to China for £16.5 million.

“This summer has been difficult,” Bilic admits. “On the one hand I can’t wait for the transfer window to close. But I also know that when the last day comes I am going to pray for another day because we are short (of players).

"We have lost many players, very good players and we have had to get new players in but it's impossible to replace the goals that Jay Rodriguez and Dwight Gayle scored – 48. Also, Harvey Barnes scored 10, Craig Dawson scored six. That’s basically 80 per cent of the goals. I’m not angry or bitter because I am long enough in football to know you don’t always get everything. But we have to get something.”




Bilic feels that he is not asking for too much from the club. “I am being realistic. It’s, ‘okay guys, let’s be honest. This is the minimum of what we need so let’s do this'. I am not a big-headed guy - I know I will improve players but you can’t improve what you have not got. I don’t run away from the responsibility. On the contrary I cherish it but it can’t be like ‘Bilic is going to do it’. I need something. Do we have a good team? Yes, we have a good team. Do we have some good players? Yes. Did we bring some good players in? Yes. But we need three or four more."

One player Bilic is delighted with is Krovinovic, the 23-year-old midfielder who symbolises the kind of exciting, attacking, positive football he wants to play. Does that bold approach work in the Championship? “I think it’s a big myth that you can’t,” Bilic says. “People say, ‘Can Messi do it on a rainy night in Stoke?’ Ah, come on. He’s scored more goals against English clubs than any other! But people still say it!

"So it’s like here, ‘can you play your football in the Championship?’ If you are a football player you are a football player. Of course some types of players are suited to some leagues more than others. But the question is the more players who can play that you have in your team then you are a better team. If you are matching in basic things.



“Let’s say – we have got the guy Krovinovic. In Croatia they say, ‘is he too tiny?’ For me it’s not an issue. When he’s in a duel with Jake Livermore or Kyle Bartley he’s not got a lot of chance but it’s like David Silva, Luka Modric. The question is not, ‘how strong are they’? For me the question is, ‘is the guy afraid?’ If he’s not afraid – and Krovinovic, Modric, Silva, Manuel Lanzini are not afraid - then it is better.

“Ages ago, Robert Prosinecki was at Portsmouth. He came at the end of his career and he was the best player in the Championship that season and that was when the Championship was more... (Bilic punches his fist into his palm)... so if you are a good player you can find your space. There are never too many good players on the pitch.”

The fear is that, especially in the Championship where patience is notoriously short, managers are not given enough time. Bilic, though, is having none of that. “Where do they give time? The Championship is no different from the Premier League or Serie A or Croatia. The Hadjuk Split manager got the sack before the league had even started. Okay they are out or Europe, which is a big thing for Croatia, but before the league has started?

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on August 03, 2019, 08:45:30 PM
Bloody love the man.

Could listen to him talk for hours. The type of manager you would love to work for.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 03, 2019, 09:17:25 PM
Bloody love the man.

Could listen to him talk for hours. The type of manager you would love to work for.


Felt a bit sick when he said Kanu was an important player for us  :-[
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on August 03, 2019, 09:18:10 PM
Very encouraged to hear him after the game talking about controlling games. Basically saying it's difficult to be at the top of the league playing on the counter attack. Music to the ears.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 03, 2019, 10:30:05 PM
Yup... Get on the front foot.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on August 03, 2019, 10:32:36 PM
Managed the game to perfection.

Would have lost this game last season under Darren Moore.

We had a better team last year we played there and were messing about at the back with 3 and getting over run in midfield.

Basics.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on August 03, 2019, 11:18:12 PM
In general I really don't much bother about the Head Coach's pre and post match comments. I am much more interested in the evidence of his work on the pitch but I must admit I thought he hit the right note with his post match comments this evening. Happy to take the win but urging his team to do better.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 04, 2019, 11:15:03 PM
We have a very good manager here, hope we give him the players he wants.
I for one am getting a little excited. Not since big Ron came in have I felt this positive.
Please give him the tools to do the job.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on August 05, 2019, 12:08:47 AM
I'm pleased Billic was not too over the top with praise for the team. Of course winning builds confidence , which is vital, but its important that players don't get blinded by the result. For a start, if Forest had had a half decent keeper, we may not have scored. I was overall impressed with how our midfield got hold of the ball and started to dominate play, but its noticeable that Billic also said we need to convert possession into more goal chances. Mark of a good manager, rather than just patting them all on the back thinking how great they were. 
I remember once when Johan Cruyff was manager of Ajax, giving his team a real rollocking, after they had just won 7-0, saying they had been careless with their chances!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on August 07, 2019, 02:40:59 PM
I'm going to wait until the window closes to elaborate but I'm having serious concerns over Bilic / Albion and certain situations.

I understand we are still at the stage where Slaven is king, we trust blindly and all that but I'm far from convinced at present.

More once the window closes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Oldbury24 on August 07, 2019, 02:55:11 PM
I'm going to wait until the window closes to elaborate but I'm having serious concerns over Bilic / Albion and certain situations.

I understand we are still at the stage where Slaven is king, we trust blindly and all that but I'm far from convinced at present.

More once the window closes.

oh you tease........

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 07, 2019, 03:00:17 PM
I'm going to wait until the window closes to elaborate but I'm having serious concerns over Bilic / Albion and certain situations.

I understand we are still at the stage where Slaven is king, we trust blindly and all that but I'm far from convinced at present.

More once the window closes.

Bring back Darren! All is forgiven  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on August 07, 2019, 03:55:05 PM
Anyone watch Luton the other night trying to play it out of defense, and coming unstuck a couple of times. Think Darren was being influenced too much. At least Slaven won't suffer any fools, and will be his own man.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2019, 06:04:27 PM
still working on 6 possibilities
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2019, 11:05:22 PM
After years of tedium and boredom i feel like an Albion fan again. We have the most ambitious, passionate, charismatic and extrovert manager since Ron Atkinson.
We had lost our identity. Wolves of all clubs had taken our great entertainers title from us.
Lets get it back big time.
Genuinely thrilled and excited.

COYB.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: swad35 on August 08, 2019, 11:24:56 PM
After years of tedium and boredom i feel like an Albion fan again. We have the most ambitious, passionate, charismatic and extrovert manager since Ron Atkinson.
We had lost our identity. Wolves of all clubs had taken our great entertainers title from us.
Lets get it back big time.
Genuinely thrilled and excited.

COYB.

Mate this and more, I can hardly contain my excitement for this club again. Well done to all at the club. We are giving it a blooming go which all I ever want for my club.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Canmore Baggie on August 08, 2019, 11:27:06 PM
After years of tedium and boredom i feel like an Albion fan again. We have the most ambitious, passionate, charismatic and extrovert manager since Ron Atkinson.
We had lost our identity. Wolves of all clubs had taken our great entertainers title from us.
Lets get it back big time.
Genuinely thrilled and excited.

COYB.

Excellent post thanks - after a few years of turgid football and disappointment it is nice to feel genuinely excited again!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
I'm going to wait until the window closes to elaborate but I'm having serious concerns over Bilic / Albion and certain situations.

I understand we are still at the stage where Slaven is king, we trust blindly and all that but I'm far from convinced at present.

More once the window closes.

The windows closed and we are waiting. I'm genuinely interested in what your concerns are.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on August 09, 2019, 09:20:27 AM
I'm looking forward to the presser to hear what Bilic says about our business.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: colinmax on August 09, 2019, 05:16:20 PM
I am feeling very positive.I have only ever bet on the Albion 3 times and won my bet each time.Although
I have not bet this time I feel we should be favourites for promotion.
Over the last 2 or 3 years I have been looking forward to our next match then hear the team selected an hour before the kick off and immediately lose my enthusiasm.
I thought Bilic was very up beat in his interview after the Forest match and seemed on the ball.
Unless Harper plays to his potential,Livermore shows ability he has not shown to me and the willing workhorse Kanu starts to finish off his chances I hope none of them appear in the team again.
I look forward to team news at 2pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: divinewind on August 09, 2019, 05:43:17 PM
He won't blood them all at once that would be foolish. The team have to get to know each other and gel. The cup game i reckon we will see  a few changes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on August 09, 2019, 05:52:25 PM
This man has, without doubt, been the pivotal catalyst to the direction the club is travelling in. It is my considered opinion, with him, we will be in safe hands.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: elkiellis on August 14, 2019, 12:01:37 PM
Any thoughts on why Slaven persisted with Burke for 90 mins last night,40 of them as our main forward,was it to give his one final chance,personally I would have pulled him off at halftime ,one of the most disinterested performances since Fabian De Fratais,Slaven knew what to expect from Millwall it was deja vu of Saturdays game but our tactics remained the same,Steele did not make a save all night we could still be playing now and wouldn't have scored.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on August 14, 2019, 12:53:31 PM
Any thoughts on why Slaven persisted with Burke for 90 mins last night,40 of them as our main forward,was it to give his one final chance,personally I would have pulled him off at halftime ,one of the most disinterested performances since Fabian De Fratais,Slaven knew what to expect from Millwall it was deja vu of Saturdays game but our tactics remained the same,Steele did not make a save all night we could still be playing now and wouldn't have scored.

I think you have answered your own question there. Last chance saloon surely...…. and he failed.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2019, 01:36:03 PM
I think we have to be patient.

We have signed a number of players who are still going to have to bed in to our style and gel with their new team-mates. I have no doubts about the excitement that the likes of Pereria, Diangana, Krovanovic Edwards and Austin can bring.

The signs are that we are very good at keeping possession - which after the last few seasons is a welcome relief. We now have to focus on penetrating the opposition and creating chances to win football matches. I am hopeful that this will come when the aforementioned players are up to speed.

Should we be approaching Christmas and we still have issues, then I will reassess where we are.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on August 14, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
A few posts on different threads have mentioned Zonal marking.

I'll never understand Zonal marking for set pieces. Its rare to ever see it done well consistently. The attacking team regularly seem to get the jump on defenders and I think it diminishes responsibility on individuals. Managers do seem to have a clear preference though and persist with it if they favour it.

By all means in open play, Zonal marking is much more likely due to a formation. From an attacking set piece, zonal positioning could be the way forward too, but for defending set pieces, man to man has to be the way to go.

I'm hoping Bilic isn't stubborn with it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on August 14, 2019, 03:11:08 PM
A few posts on different threads have mentioned Zonal marking.

I'll never understand Zonal marking for set pieces. Its rare to ever see it done well consistently. The attacking team regularly seem to get the jump on defenders and I think it diminishes responsibility on individuals. Managers do seem to have a clear preference though and persist with it if they favour it.

By all means in open play, Zonal marking is much more likely due to a formation. From an attacking set piece, zonal positioning could be the way forward too, but for defending set pieces, man to man has to be the way to go.

I'm hoping Bilic isn't stubborn with it.
Well said sir, can't think of a single team that excels at zonal marking. Confusing for defenders and diminishes responsibility.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on August 14, 2019, 04:51:15 PM
Despite last night's defeat, I'm still fairly upbeat. Firstly, its so much better watching us taking control in midfield, which players like Krovinovic and Sawyers are integral to.  I know ball possession isn't the whole story, but you will find that on average, teams with most possession create the most chances.

I think Billic is now working out his strongest team and formation. He has several very decent wide players to choose from. Its a question of who is most effective setting up goal chances.

In the middle Austin should be very important. He seems a self-confident bloke,  but he obviously will need help. Just thinking back to the team with Kevin Phillips, he was a prolific scorer, but there were lots of others making runs forward from midfield who got on the scoresheet.  I'm hoping we see something like that.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 14, 2019, 04:53:48 PM
Well said sir, can't think of a single team that excels at zonal marking. Confusing for defenders and diminishes responsibility.

Zonal marking works in a lot of other countries where they use their set pieces differently.

In the English game it practically never works because we place added importance on ours, and it becomes difficult to deploy successfully.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggies on August 14, 2019, 05:15:41 PM
It is early days, and there are a lot of new players to bed in, so of course we have to give it time. It might be that in a couple of months time we have turned our domination of the ball, in to a number of goals.

I just hope Bilic proves his critics at West Ham wrong. They said he was a good man manager but lacking tactically. To change us from a low intensity passing side, into a high energy attacking team, it will require some element of tactical switches and training ground work where players adopt a managers methods and ideas. Simply passing it around in front of 2 lines of defence and racking up the possession stats won't cut it, nor does it automatically give you an advantage over the opposition.

We have a nunber of high quality players for this level, even if there is an argument to say we are lacking up front, but Bilic will need to play a big part in the success of how we transition from where we are now to how we want to be playing over the next few months.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 24, 2019, 09:11:57 PM
Slaven went over the top today with the match officials and got sent off, which means he will not be in the technical area, where he needs to be, next week.
The officials were very poor , but I have been to all five games and seen him trying to influence almost every single decision. Some referees will respond if properly challenged over a decision, but not many will respond favourably to having every decision questioned.
I started off the season thinking his very active touchline style would maybe get us a few extra points, now I am not so sure. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 24, 2019, 09:48:09 PM
Slaven went over the top today with the match officials and got sent off, which means he will not be in the technical area, where he needs to be, next week.
The officials were very poor , but I have been to all five games and seen him trying to influence almost every single decision. Some referees will respond if properly challenged over a decision, but not many will respond favourably to having every decision questioned.
I started off the season thinking his very active touchline style would maybe get us a few extra points, now I am not so sure.
The players were in the officials faces. So was he. Not a good look. We don’t need that.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 24, 2019, 09:49:33 PM
The players were in the officials faces. So was he. Not a good look. We don’t need that.

Whilst I do agree it is hard when the officials are so inept though, 2 games on the trot now
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on August 24, 2019, 09:57:30 PM
It's infuriating when you have to keep putting up with inept officials. A monk would struggle to stay calm.

I don't mind Slaven having a moan. It may not  be for the purists but over the season we may benefit by getting into the officials minds. Anyone ever watch Man United under Ferguson? He won league titles by influencing officials however much others hated it and Villa didn't do a bad job of it against us over the two legs of the play offs either.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2019, 10:24:26 PM
His two yellows came from decisions proved by television to be incorrect,  let's hope the ban is suspended.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2019, 10:53:25 PM
He was well within his rights so good for Bilic to have a go I say
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on August 24, 2019, 11:19:35 PM
He should be setting the tone for the players. I’m all for passion but now he will be banned from the touch line.

I wouldn’t accept a player being banned for poor behaviour so I don’t accept it from the manager. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2019, 11:26:38 PM
He should be setting the tone for the players. I’m all for passion but now he will be banned from the touch line.

I wouldn’t accept a player being banned for poor behaviour so I don’t accept it from the manager.


Really? Because Livermore was banned for 7 games last season for sheer stupidity.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on August 25, 2019, 05:19:33 AM

Really? Because Livermore was banned for 7 games last season for sheer stupidity.

...and that wasn’t acceptable. That’s my point. And it should have been worse for him last season as in one game he gave up on a break so he could turn round and kick a player.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2019, 07:34:35 AM
I would want my manager to fight my corner, he did just that against awful decision making, he may of gotten  sent off but the unity it brings to team and club is worth it, I like his passion, about time we had some.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on August 25, 2019, 08:57:20 AM
I honestly don't think what happens on the touchline makes very little difference to what happens on the pitch. For the most part the touchline circus is about coaches venting their frustrations their players are either going to do their jobs or they won't having the coach wave his arms around and show passion makes at best a marginal difference if any.

Any ban short of a stadium ban won't hamper his ability to do the job he is paid for.

It is much more important that Bilic figures out his best XI and while I think he is fairly clear about the back half of the team I still think he is looking for the right combination of players in the front 5 positions. I don't think our performances will improve going forward until he settles on a combination and they play together for a few games.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on August 25, 2019, 10:26:32 AM
I am really impressed in how Slaven conducts himself in interviews. Hes is clearly a very intelligent and articulate man. And he also seems to have a bit of a sense of humour, which will help. Finally I think we have a top manager at the helm.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbako on August 25, 2019, 11:03:36 AM
I am a fully paid up member to the Slaven Bilic Fan Club. I find myself invariably agreeing with what he says, the subs he makes and the style of play he is attempting to implement. I also have no issue with him getting 'sent off' - we need someone who will fight our corner when we are treated with contempt by the officials.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Jimmy on August 27, 2019, 08:59:05 PM
Apologies if this has already been asked but : who was Albions last manager to get sent off? I'm struggling to come up with one.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on August 27, 2019, 09:04:19 PM
Apologies if this has already been asked but : who was Albions last manager to get sent off? I'm struggling to come up with one.
Darren Moore away at Wigan  ;D
I take it Bilic can't appeal ?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Jimmy on August 27, 2019, 09:12:11 PM
Darren Moore away at Wigan  ;D
I take it Bilic can't appeal ?

That had completely slipped my mind. Cheers.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AbbeymeadBaggie on September 14, 2019, 10:24:11 PM
7 games in.

In 6 we were behind - still unbeaten - pattern emerging?

Slaven sees how we can improve, makes appropriate changes, point or points salvaged.

BY FAR the best signing between last season & this.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2019, 10:47:10 PM
7 games in.

In 6 we were behind - still unbeaten - pattern emerging?

Slaven sees how we can improve, makes appropriate changes, point or points salvaged.

BY FAR the best signing between last season & this.


OR (and I love Slaven) he picks the wrong team regularly.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiepipe on September 15, 2019, 02:20:46 PM
He's pretty impressive to be fair. I think the Fulham draw had as much to do about him than any player. He understood what was happening and changed tactics. According to his presser he backed off of the high press, he made a few player changes, and then he changed formation with HRK. Bilic thought that by putting HRK in at the #10, this would force a matchup with a Fulham defender that HRK would win due to his size and strength. This is what happened. Between this, and fixing the middle of the pitch with Krov, this turned it around. All of the sudden we were on the front foot and looked dangerous. At the end it was us winning or a tie.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 15, 2019, 02:58:55 PM
Obviously he watches the game and adjusts.
A sign of a good manager who is not afraid to admit that he may have made initial mistakes.
Work in progress.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 15, 2019, 10:21:53 PM
Could he do with a player like Claudio Yacob?
A player who can be a stopper?
Sometimes you need a player who can break up an oppositions' style.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Webby on September 16, 2019, 10:03:18 AM
Obviously he watches the game and adjusts.
A sign of a good manager who is not afraid to admit that he may have made initial mistakes.
Work in progress.

Exactly this. Nice to see Albion with a manager who can adjust!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Webby on September 16, 2019, 10:04:13 AM
Also I know people keep saying too many draws BUT not losing yet (even if not winning) is a good habit to get into.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on September 16, 2019, 01:03:19 PM
I think he has made an excellent start to life at the Baggies. He is never afraid to change things and has done so to positive effect more than once already this season. My biggest concern with our team, despite the constant criticisms of the keeper and Bartley, is up front. I am starting to have concerns about Austin. He has to be match fit now yet, for me, looked off the pace on Saturday. It's clear the goals will be spread through the team this season and that's fine with me. I still see a centre forward as a key focal point though. Maybe Zohore could come good?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on September 16, 2019, 07:21:34 PM
I am starting to have concerns about Austin. He has to be match fit now yet, for me, looked off the pace on Saturday.

Austin looks completely shot. Similar to Ricky Lambert who went from a goal machine to a useless OAP by the time we signed him. He still needs 4/5 games in his legs. Then we can judge just how knackered he is, but clearly he isn't a patch on Dwight Gayle. Looking like a 2004 Peugeot with 190k miles on the clock.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: albion59 on September 16, 2019, 07:29:15 PM
Austin looks completely shot. Similar to Ricky Lambert who went from a goal machine to a useless OAP by the time we signed him. He still needs 4/5 games in his legs. Then we can judge just how knackered he is, but clearly he isn't a patch on Dwight Gayle. Looking like a 2004 Peugeot with 190k miles on the clock.
Austin will get goals, in the first half on Saturday  anyone would have struggled he is a goalscorer and needs service when he gets it just watch.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: elkiellis on September 17, 2019, 12:22:44 AM
Austin will get goals, in the first half on Saturday  anyone would have struggled he is a goalscorer and needs service when he gets it just watch.
I'm not too sure,its been a very long time since he was a prolific goalscorer,he has had a few clear cut chances in games already and not scored Millwall cup game aside,he does try a lead the line well,but I think his legs have gone
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheBrom on September 22, 2019, 03:01:43 PM
The substitutions changed the game for me. So good to have a manager who knows how to be proactive and make a difference with their subs after years of reactive changes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2019, 03:09:52 PM
The substitutions changed the game for me. So good to have a manager who knows how to be proactive and make a difference with their subs after years of reactive changes.
Absolutely, BUT,  why not give me guys who make a difference a chance for 90 mins? Not a dig but genuinely confused about this?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheBrom on September 22, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
Absolutely, BUT,  why not give me guys who make a difference a chance for 90 mins? Not a dig but genuinely confused about this?

I did think this too, but to be fair other than the two silly goals in the first half I thought we looked really good, so he obviously selected the starting team based on the tactics he wanted to use against Huddersfield.

I’m more happy that he’s not afraid to change it up and use his substitutes proactively. Breath of fresh air for me looking over st the touchline and seeing good, positive changes being made, rather than waiting until 80 minutes or reacting to the opposition’s changes first.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on September 22, 2019, 03:31:57 PM
Absolutely, BUT,  why not give me guys who make a difference a chance for 90 mins? Not a dig but genuinely confused about this?
As a manager, I don't think you can predict exactly who is going to be on the top of their game, who is having an off day. That's why its important to have a strong squad. You also need to be able to read a game and see where the team can improve or which opposition players are causing big problems. Billic seems to be good at spotting that.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheBrom on September 22, 2019, 03:51:13 PM
As a manager, I don't think you can predict exactly who is going to be on the top of their game, who is having an off day. That's why its important to have a strong squad. You also need to be able to read a game and see where the team can improve or which opposition players are causing big problems. Billic seems to be good at spotting that.

Bang on. Breath of fresh air compared to our last 4 or 5 managers
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2019, 03:54:04 PM
As a manager, I don't think you can predict exactly who is going to be on the top of their game, who is having an off day. That's why its important to have a strong squad. You also need to be able to read a game and see where the team can improve or which opposition players are causing big problems. Billic seems to be good at spotting that.
His in game management has been exemplary and as someone who was an advocate of his appointment I am more than pleased with his management to date, but taking your point on board if he picks the team based upon training and then sees players regularly doing better when given the opportunity regularly on match day, surely at some point he has to adapt to reflect this?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on September 22, 2019, 04:02:56 PM
Wrong team first half. As soon as he brought Diangana on wide and moved Periera into the middle we looked a much better team and far better balanced.

Slav's in game management up to now has been exemplary.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: buzzingbaggie on September 22, 2019, 04:25:57 PM
Wrong team first half. As soon as he brought Diangana on wide and moved Periera into the middle we looked a much better team and far better balanced.

Slav's in game management up to now has been exemplary.

I don't think at the time it was the wrong team, diangana came off at Fulham and was pretty ineffective, and krov came on and helped change the game.  So right choice at the time. Obviously role reversal this week.

Be interesting the team which starts at  Q. P. R
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Trigger on September 22, 2019, 04:43:22 PM
I think the rest of the league need to be a little worried as we have a coach who knows what he wants and how to impact games and he has a well alanced squad now and players capable of making an impact from the bench. We've got to remember we havent even hit top gear yet... Scary really and still 1 point off the top and unbeaten
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 22, 2019, 05:13:38 PM
Got to say, I was a massive fan of his appointment and only continue to be more and more as the season goes on.

We are one point off the top with a completely new set of players. Just imagine what we would have done had we made that appointment a year earlier instead of making the ludicrous decision we did make last summer. He exudes class and speaks so eloquently, you can really tell he is not only a leader of men but knows exactly what he wants tactically which is so refreshing after last season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on September 22, 2019, 05:27:35 PM
One thing thats impressed me so far is Bilic's use of the squad , doesn't seem to have any favourites with Krov being a good example.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on September 23, 2019, 08:07:54 AM
I bet the 4th officials all dread coming to our place.
He's in their faces all game long  ;D
Not afraid to let the opposition managers know what he thinks either.
Love his passion.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on September 23, 2019, 10:33:09 AM
Slav he's the best signing of the season for us the man Big Dave would have learnt so much off after all the negative managers hes learnt off esecially when it come down to making substitiutions & reading the game
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ronnie_allen on September 23, 2019, 11:23:19 AM
he should not risk going on at the 4TH OFFICIAL. tHEY CANNNOT INFLUENCE THE REFEREE. dO WE WANT HIM SUSPENDED? tHE THREE OFFICIALS CANNOT BE SPOKEN TO NOR SHOULD THE 4TH MAN.

Isn't that part of the fourth officials role. To be the communication point between coaches and refereeing team. Even if just to give the coaches an outlet to let off steam and not hamper the three primary officials.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 28, 2019, 06:40:43 PM
Have we got our own "Fergie"?
Edit.... Or a "Shankley"? (For all you old farts).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BRIAN on September 28, 2019, 07:05:18 PM
The 4th Officials job is to supervise subs, keep an eye on things that might help the referee, etc time keeping, but not to have to listen to managers or coaches moaning all the time.  They are not a link to having any influence any on decisions on the field of play.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: elkiellis on September 29, 2019, 01:48:42 AM
Rangers fans saying that he knew exactly what to do to stop there 2 main playmakers and implemented a plan to perfection today,can anyone tell me the last time we played away and our keeper did not have to make one save its beyond memory for me,total domination from start too finish could easily have been 5
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: VANDERLEI on September 29, 2019, 02:23:52 AM
This is the best side we have had in a long time. Bilic is very intelligent..he can think on his feet. He makes the difference when things aren't going our way. I could never understand why West Ham kneejerked him. He's a world class manager. The recruitment team have also done really well to be fair. Bring in Gayle in January and we will be sailing to the title. Hegazi will make a massive difference when he is up to speed.

The future is bright. 👌👌👌
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Brooklynbaggie on September 29, 2019, 10:04:46 AM
He’s got them playing with a smile and as a team.
Where it ends up who knows but we’ll done that man
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 05, 2019, 09:29:21 PM
If we had beat the vile lot and went up, we would have kept the same management.
I for one, am glad that we didn't beat them (only lost on penalties though, they couldn't beat us with football).
We now have a fantasic manager who can galvanise our team.
He has selected his own team.
We have been able to sign (some unfortunately only on loan) a lot of decent players, some of this I am sure is because they knew that they would be playing for a damn good man, which would be very attractive for those who really want to play good football and suceed.
Superlatives abound, and a lot of them really show what we have got.
I haven't really felt this positive for quite a few seasons.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 06, 2019, 10:29:42 AM
I remember a lot of talk from his West Ham days about a lack of discipline within the squad there but there's been absolutely no sign of that here. I could truly listen to him talk about football all day too, seems to be a proper manager with most of his changes often having the required influence on games. So far so good.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 06, 2019, 12:18:43 PM
I remember a lot of talk from his West Ham days about a lack of discipline within the squad there but there's been absolutely no sign of that here. I could truly listen to him talk about football all day too, seems to be a proper manager with most of his changes often having the required influence on games. So far so good.
And like all of us, we hopefully learn as we go along, even when we think we know/are good at stuff....that is exactly the I ever to have another look ..
In management terms he’s not an old head, in the right club/ set up and given the right players he could become quite good....
What we have to remember is , if we win the league with 100+ points and goals, he suddenly becomes a lot more of a prospect for other clubs and unlike English managers, there will be a multitude of European teams that could offer champs league (Celtic,Galatasaray,Porto) who are all more attractive than us ?

So we shall enjoy for now, and hope we get second place and the board secure a decent contract and he feels loved 😀
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on October 06, 2019, 04:28:32 PM
I remember a lot of talk from his West Ham days about a lack of discipline within the squad there but there's been absolutely no sign of that here. I could truly listen to him talk about football all day too, seems to be a proper manager with most of his changes often having the required influence on games. So far so good.

Easy to have discipline when the team is winning. I also suspect Bilic is a bit older and wiser.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 06, 2019, 05:14:25 PM
Probably he is older and wiser, but I would say it's also because our squad is vastly different to that West Ham squad. It's more balanced, younger, has something to prove, and maybe doesn't have the sense of entitlement that comes with the wages West Ham tend to hand out.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on October 06, 2019, 05:39:58 PM
I think he has a natural authority which commands respect in a players group. That comes
also from being a top player himself and his record in international management. His in-game management has been good.  I'm sure there will be times when the subs don't do the business, but he seems to spot early where there is a potential problem, and doesn't just let the game drift until its too late to change things. Most of all, I like the fact we have got back to playing football again. I'm sure he was a factor in pursuading Pereira, Krovinovic, Diangana and Austin to sign. But existing players, have also spoken highly of Billic, for example reading Phillips recent interview, its obvious he is enjoying his football under Billic. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on October 10, 2019, 09:21:17 AM
A Manager of the Month nomination for Slaven

The boss is up against Sabri Lamouchi, Garry Monk and Alex Neil.

Must be Slaven, must!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: sing on our own on October 10, 2019, 09:23:56 AM
Great news and well deserved! But surely if it’s Slaven it should also be Sabri, Garry and Alex 😉
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 10, 2019, 09:54:12 AM
Sadly as a result of the Leeds game it will not be Slav.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 10, 2019, 09:56:11 AM
Leeds game was in October so shouldn't have an impact. Unless they count the pre-match preparation for the couple of days beforehand.
Lamouchi only one of the managers to win all three games with other managers getting 7 points from 9 so would make him the favorite.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 10, 2019, 10:26:29 AM
Leeds game was in October so shouldn't have an impact. Unless they count the pre-match preparation for the couple of days beforehand.
Lamouchi only one of the managers to win all three games with other managers getting 7 points from 9 so would make him the favorite.
good, let the curse ruin Forest’s promotion chances.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 10, 2019, 10:26:44 AM
Leeds game was in October so shouldn't have an impact. Unless they count the pre-match preparation for the couple of days beforehand.
Lamouchi only one of the managers to win all three games with other managers getting 7 points from 9 so would make him the favorite.

Was it? Blimey, feels like an eternity ago now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aussie Baggie on October 10, 2019, 12:08:29 PM
Sadly as a result of the Leeds game it will not be Slav.

Why not? We dominated that game everywhere except the scoreline.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 10, 2019, 12:13:19 PM
Why not? We dominated that game everywhere except the scoreline.

In a manager of the month award all that matters are stats, sadly.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on October 10, 2019, 12:30:42 PM
Maybe gives him a little medal to stick on his shelf, which would be nice for Slaven, but to be honest, as an Albion fan, I couldn't care less about Manager of the Month. Draws attention to him, but will it make the team perform any better? I doubt it. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on October 10, 2019, 12:43:52 PM
Maybe gives him a little medal to stick on his shelf, which would be nice for Slaven, but to be honest, as an Albion fan, I couldn't care less about Manager of the Month. Draws attention to him, but will it make the team perform any better? I doubt it.

I agree, couldn't care less. And if the truth be known, Bilic probably doesn't either.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Webby on November 22, 2019, 07:11:03 PM
I really, really want this guy to do well for us.

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/22/slaven-bilic-west-brom-west-ham-very-difficult-club
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on November 23, 2019, 05:46:19 PM
Full page in the Times today, mostly about him to be honest, but obviously quite a few references to us in there.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on November 26, 2019, 11:34:12 AM
I do worry a premier league job could tempt him such as Everton soon as it looks like Silva's days could be numbered........?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbastrollers on November 26, 2019, 12:14:15 PM
I do worry a premier league job could tempt him such as Everton soon as it looks like Silva's days could be numbered........?

I would’t Worry too much - Everton fans are renowned for being delusional, they believe there are far bigger fish in the sea!?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on November 26, 2019, 12:57:06 PM
I would’t Worry too much - Everton fans are renowned for being delusional, they believe there are far bigger fish in the sea!?

Nice Viler link  ;) .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: reynirver on November 26, 2019, 03:10:43 PM
This has been so much better than I hoped, because he's been able to transform this old rigged side to something that is fun to watch while also getting results.

The summer signings have been great, yes Austin and Zohore haven't clicked yet but instead HRK has stepped up recently and is not that for from 0,5 goal per 90 minutes (1 goal per 104min) so if he will be able to keep this up until January where we can strengthen this position it will take some doing for other teams to stop us from getting promoted.

But his best summer signings IMO is the new Bartley & Livermore they've been immense.

Everything is just so exciting now....... again  :D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on November 26, 2019, 05:16:06 PM
Thank Pulis, for making the light burn so beautifully, we have been to the darkest of places and now we are emerging into paradise, praise the lord, my shepherd, Slaven Bilic  :D ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on November 27, 2019, 09:07:03 PM
How many of us would have moved Ajayi over to neutralise Weizmann? The man is a genius
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on November 27, 2019, 09:59:52 PM
Tactics and team selection spot on. Great decision with the full backs, correct to leave Hegazi and Brunt our of the 16. Subs at correct time and right ones. Got the players at their max as well. Remarkable how well HRK and Bartley are doing. Still early days but spot on so far. Some nice one touch football tonight as well.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on November 27, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
Tactics and team selection spot on. Great decision with the full backs, correct to leave Hegazi and Brunt our of the 16. Subs at correct time and right ones. Got the players at their max as well. Remarkable how well HRK and Bartley are doing. Still early days but spot on so far. Some nice one touch football tonight as well.

Hegazi was on bench mate.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 05, 2019, 09:15:36 PM
Anyone worried Everton could come knocking now Silva's gone already seen him at 33/1 for the job FFS.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 05, 2019, 09:17:01 PM
Anyone worried Everton could come knocking now Silva's gone already seen him at 33/1 for the job FFS.


Not remotely, won't appeal to Moshiri or their fans.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Jack Thrust on December 06, 2019, 09:38:26 AM
Ian Holloway interviews Slaven (amusing how smitten he is with Slav, can't blame him haha)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRWDCkdFbZk

"Slaven Bilic opens up on his incredible journey, from the war in Croatia, his playing days, and managing some of the best players in the world."
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on December 06, 2019, 10:22:22 AM
Great interview, still cannot believe we have him as our manager at times...….
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on December 09, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
Slaven Bilic's brilliant five word response to West Brom's mounting promotion pressure

"At least we are safe!"

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/slaven-bilics-brilliant-five-word-17383283
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gerry m on December 29, 2019, 06:27:23 PM
Hopefully Slaven will go on Facebook and take note of the ' Expert' Coaches who know it all and turn things around 8)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
He's done a lot of good stuff but I was never sold on this 2nd wave stuff with the lone forward being more for the style of play rather than scoring goals .
For all the style Pereira , Phillips and Diangana are not going to be netting loads over 46 games . Phillips as usual looks blown by Xmas . HRK had his patch but is another not known for his goals record , Austin can score but looks slow and we haven't seen much of Zohore.
This time around there isn't a Brunt / Gera / Mozza chipping in with SKP be the main scoring forward of Bednar under RDM
Everything hangs on this window and who Bilic wants and who Dowling can get in.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 01, 2020, 08:19:47 PM
Hopefully Slaven will go on Facebook and take note of the ' Expert' Coaches who know it all and turn things around 8)
To be fair some on there and here speak sense , nowt wrong with opinions and all coaches should have a pretty open mind if things are not working

Do we think that continually rushing Gibbs back is good?
Do we think that not leaving anybody upfield when defending a corner is a good idea?
Zonal marking, is that working?
The keeper doesn’t feel that their is competition, and he really isn’t good enough

First third of the season we were all quite impressed with how Slav was changing things up and effecting positive results ...now we feel a bit flat...yes they may get tired , but no more than others in fact e don’t play a high press so should be relatively bouncy.
I also understand that we have lost Diangana and he’d be a loss for anyone in this league, but we should have another option/formation ..

Today taking hegazi out (I wouldn’t have had him back in anyway after O’Shea’s performance) looks like realisation that we made an error....I’m fine with that
Just think we need to be a bit more....cohesive
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BalisPen on January 01, 2020, 08:43:45 PM
To be fair some on there and here speak sense , nowt wrong with opinions and all coaches should have a pretty open mind if things are not working

Do we think that continually rushing Gibbs back is good?
Do we think that not leaving anybody upfield when defending a corner is a good idea?
Zonal marking, is that working?
The keeper doesn’t feel that their is competition, and he really isn’t good enough

First third of the season we were all quite impressed with how Slav was changing things up and effecting positive results ...now we feel a bit flat...yes they may get tired , but no more than others in fact e don’t play a high press so should be relatively bouncy.
I also understand that we have lost Diangana and he’d be a loss for anyone in this league, but we should have another option/formation ..

Today taking hegazi out (I wouldn’t have had him back in anyway after O’Shea’s performance) looks like realisation that we made an error....I’m fine with that
Just think we need to be a bit more....cohesive

Two of our most dangerous players waster on set pieces annoys me. One should take and the other at the edge of box to slot home any chance that comes his way.

No clean sheet at home is a concern, but other than that I think GD is being out is the problem as I think MP plays better to when he has that out ball to him and then their movement is great.

Tiredness is also an issue I think and hopefully we can recharge our batteries before the next league game.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 01, 2020, 10:47:35 PM
We have been sussed out.  We need reinforcements in January.  Sawyers performances have dropped off a cliff. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Oldbury24 on January 02, 2020, 12:28:13 PM
We have been sussed out.  We need reinforcements in January.  Sawyers performances have dropped off a cliff.

You'd have to ask questions of other teams management if we hadn't been sussed out by now and yes we do need new faces but only if they improve the first 15, squad fillers need not apply so that won't be easy.  However, we've still only lost two games this season; one to the leaders and one to the form team in the division over the last 10 games.   We need to know if Grady is staying or going as his replacement will be key to the way Slav wants to play.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 02, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
It's starting to look like a repeat of last season. We have been found out big time, keep Pereira quite and we offer no real service to the the final third. We desperately need a target man in the Rondon/Rodriguez form who can bully the big centre backs when teams drop deep.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on January 02, 2020, 01:12:38 PM
We have been sussed out.  We need reinforcements in January.  Sawyers performances have dropped off a cliff.

Form isn’t great but being “sussed out” is a classic Modern generic football term people throw around like “lost the dressing room” or “footballing dinasour”.
In theory Leeds and Brentford have been “sussed out” more than us as Leeds have lost 4 games and Brentford 9 (managers sussed out a way to beat them). Football is always  about fine margins we hold out for 3 more minutes at Barnsley and Phillips scores just before half-time and that’s 2 more wins.
Personally I think our squads weak and our first 11 when fit is able to compete. Diangana and Gibbs being out is a huge blow as that’s our whole left side out and we don’t have balance. Ferguson is right footed and Townsend isn’t good enough.
Need some freshening up rather than complete panic stations...
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 02, 2020, 01:21:53 PM
Not to reinforce the squad now would be an absolute crime, we are close to promotion, failure to invest now would be investing in failure.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on January 12, 2020, 10:57:18 AM
Not going to knock the man because he has done wonders for us since he's been here but in there is the problem. Seeing us dominant the ball and opposition for majority of games so far this season, with his never say die attitude culminating in our best performance disposing of Swansea. Any fall in standards and we are on teams back me included, listening to his post match comments he was not happy with what he saw and that is refreshing as he could of praised the opposition to protect his players, he knows he's got a problem and I believe he's good enough coach to get us through this sticky patch.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: timdon on January 12, 2020, 11:28:59 AM
Not going to knock the man because he has done wonders for us since he's been here but in there is the problem. Seeing us dominant the ball and opposition for majority of games so far this season, with his never say die attitude culminating in our best performance disposing of Swansea. Any fall in standards and we are on teams back me included, listening to his post match comments he was not happy with what he saw and that is refreshing as he could of praised the opposition to protect his players, he knows he's got a problem and I believe he's good enough coach to get us through this sticky patch.
Agreed. It was very apparent that he was unhappy, the clear implication being that he would be taking steps to improve things, especially in defence, which is where his criticism was aimed. Whether this will be changes in personnel, changes to the zonal marking system, or both, will be very interesting to see.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 12, 2020, 11:30:42 AM
Jury’s still out for me. There is no doubt he speaks extremely well and he’s very likeable but our inability to defend can’t be overlooked.

If we let slip a 14 point lead I don’t know how you’ll be able to defend him either.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on January 12, 2020, 02:59:35 PM
Jury’s still out for me.

Top of the league, played 27, lost 2 and the jury is still out? Jesus Christ. He's done an unbelievable job so far.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 12, 2020, 03:18:15 PM
Top of the league, played 27, lost 2 and the jury is still out? Jesus Christ. He's done an unbelievable job so far.
And currently in a run of form that would have people calling out
Pullis
Moore
Pardew
I like Slav, but we have to be fair, no one above criticism
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2020, 04:43:21 PM
Bilić isn't above criticism or questioning. The phrase the jury is out doesn't really fit though, he's clearly the right man for the job.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: pensnett stu on January 12, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
We're top of the league,7 points ahead of 3rd place,with a team that didn't cost a lot
(8m our most expensive sighning) and fans are still moaning cause we're going through a sticky patch which most teams in this league do,think where we were last season,struggling to keep in 3rd or 4th place,and as Slaven said when he joined it might take him 2 seasons,so we are ahead of ourselves in terms of progress, and we've a better squad than last season


Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 12, 2020, 07:04:50 PM
I’ve not slaughtered him, and I’m not writing him off, and I don’t think anything I’ve said isn’t valid.

Zippy posted about the pre Match Charlton warm up in another threat too and I’ve no reason to dispute what he said, but it’s quite concerning how blasé we are as a team if it’s true.

I hope it works and I’ve not written him off by any means, but he’s proven / achieved nothing yet.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggie79 on January 12, 2020, 07:12:40 PM
He said that we would have a sticky patch during the season and with the way this divison works I am sure a lot of us fans expected the same. If our bad patch is one loss and some draws I would take that all day long.

If we are going to lose faith in Slav when we are top of the division we really need to ask ourselves what exactly do we want and expect?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 12, 2020, 07:19:55 PM
I’ve not slaughtered him, and I’m not writing him off, and I don’t think anything I’ve said isn’t valid.

Zippy posted about the pre Match Charlton warm up in another threat too and I’ve no reason to dispute what he said, but it’s quite concerning how blasé we are as a team if it’s true.

I hope it works and I’ve not written him off by any means, but he’s proven / achieved nothing yet.
I did indeed
I don’t think anyone has laid in to Slav....but surely people can voice concerns?
Yesterday pre match I definitely saw Diangana pereria and Krov, on their own little triangle playing no bounce...then when you watch them stretch , they don’t look like they can be arsed......on another area of the pitch, brunt was teeing up hegazi for 35-40 yard shots at goal...
Shouldn’t all players be doing proper pre game drills?

If we praised Slav HIGHLY when his decisions were affecting matches in a good way, we should be able to speak when they are not.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on January 12, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
Only criticism I have of Billic is why he keeps persevering with Zonal marking and not giving another goalkeeper a chance.
Combine zonal marking and a goalkeeper that very rarely comes of his line it's been costly and would hope he considers something different. Got to the stage where I expect to concede every time a high ball comes into our box.
Why not try Hegazi and Bartley and go man to man marking and see if it improves us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on January 12, 2020, 08:29:47 PM
When you look at the run of managers we have had, you'd have to go a long way back to find one who was on a par with Billic. The football style has improved beyond recognition, we genuinely play on the front foot, and due to Billic we have been able to attract the likes of Pereira and Diangana to the club.  The players appear to look up to him, and he has a natural authority which is vital if they are to buy into his project. Also, he appears to react promptly in games to situations where changes are needed.
Of course, I'm unhappy with the Charlton performance especially, but I'm confident Billic can see where the problems were. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on January 12, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
I did indeed
I don’t think anyone has laid in to Slav....but surely people can voice concerns?
Yesterday pre match I definitely saw Diangana pereria and Krov, on their own little triangle playing no bounce...then when you watch them stretch , they don’t look like they can be arsed......on another area of the pitch, brunt was teeing up hegazi for 35-40 yard shots at goal...
Shouldn’t all players be doing proper pre game drills?

If we praised Slav HIGHLY when his decisions were affecting matches in a good way, we should be able to speak when they are not.


Of course. It really annoys me when people throw a strop when people voice their opinions. Slav isn't perfect, Albion aren't perfect and criticism is warranted as long as it's constructive, in fact if ever you want to improve anything in life it's absolutely imperative that you do analyse and you do criticise.

Don't stop posting what you think mate.

I've read your posts relating to yesterdays match and I've taken some of the issues you raised on board. Thanks for raising them.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: chipperclark on January 13, 2020, 02:43:48 AM
 :D SB cannot kick the ball for them on the pitch. In all honesty the teams we have played recently have been in "our faces". Charlton did that well with limited resources and I think that's the way teams approach us now, and also heavy tactics,such as shirt pulling,grappling,and take downs.

I think he is doing a fantastic job and will get us up. I actually didn't think we played too badly this week,just a bit unlucky and maybe poor keeping.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 13, 2020, 02:11:31 PM
And currently in a run of form that would have people calling out
Pullis
Moore
Pardew
I like Slav, but we have to be fair, no one above criticism

all 3 of their football was absolutely dreadful to watch to start with.

and this is the first tricky period we have been through under Billic and we are not playing well but the difference is we are still picking up points.

we were never going to through 46 games without having  a sticky patch. Pulis, Moore and Pardews sticky patch never really recovered.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 13, 2020, 02:39:36 PM
Bilic has been a breath of fresh air. However the points raised by Zippy and others are well founded.

For me the things we need to change are (1) zonal marking (it's just not working; we concede far too many goals from set pieces. One of the biggest criticisms of Moore was that we didn't learn from our mistakes but the same could be levelled at Bilic) (2) Not leaving anyone up the field when we defend a corner (3) having both Phillips and Periera standing together when we have a corner (sometimes it will be a good ploy but not all the time) (4) Trying to score the perfect goal by walking it in, have a shot for god's sake!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiebof on January 13, 2020, 03:24:54 PM
Bilic has been a breath of fresh air. However the points raised by Zippy and others are well founded.

For me the things we need to change are (1) zonal marking (it's just not working; we concede far too many goals from set pieces. One of the biggest criticisms of Moore was that we didn't learn from our mistakes but the same could be levelled at Bilic) (2) Not leaving anyone up the field when we defend a corner (3) having both Phillips and Periera standing together when we have a corner (sometimes it will be a good ploy but not all the time) (4) Trying to score the perfect goal by walking it in, have a shot for god's sake!

1 - I have seen a lot of bashing of 'zonal' marking on here over the last few days, some of which has been unfair (not from you Hull I must add). I saw one comment along the lines of "you always see goals let in as a result of zonal marking" well yeah, that's because it is always highlighted as being a fault of zonal marking. You never hear someone say, that's the problem with the man marking system. I haven't got the time or the will power to start recording goals conceded from corners but would hazard a guess that zonal marking isn't the problem. We conceded shed loads under Mowbray, we marked man for man. I also saw someone say that zonal marking was ok at elite level because the players are better; zonal marking actually benefits smaller teams as it means you can focus your best few defenders of the ball in the most important areas, like Guardiola's Barcelona teams for example. I guess this is just a defence of unfair zonal marking criticism. Regards whether we should change from zonal marking, everyone is right, something must change but for me it is probably a mentality/personnel thing more than a system thing.

2 - I think it is actually a better attacking ploy to have people back behind the ball because when the ball gets cleared, you can press in whatever direction the ball is cleared in, if it goes nowhere near the player up the field then they are just out of the game. You also have forward momentum when attacking the ball when it is cleared. It is very common place for teams to not leave someone up so no problem with this from me. I'll add this in here too as I have seen it elsewhere but I wonder how many times in a season a side that covers both posts have someone on the post saving a goal, not many I'd suggest whereas the additional men can help stop a short corner, cover the edge of the box or help mark but you wouldn't necessarily point out the positive impact of this. Not having men on the post also helps you to attack a ball quicker when cleared and also clear out of the box to squeeze the space for the second phase and the ball back in, it certainly has its plus points.

3 - I agree on this on, not a fan. I understand the logic for free kicks in and around the box as it will influence a defence dropping deep or pushing up depending on whether it is an in or out-swinger but corners isn't the same, only really matters to the keeper.

4 -  Amen.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 13, 2020, 06:39:49 PM
1 - I have seen a lot of bashing of 'zonal' marking on here over the last few days, some of which has been unfair (not from you Hull I must add). I saw one comment along the lines of "you always see goals let in as a result of zonal marking" well yeah, that's because it is always highlighted as being a fault of zonal marking. You never hear someone say, that's the problem with the man marking system. I haven't got the time or the will power to start recording goals conceded from corners but would hazard a guess that zonal marking isn't the problem. We conceded shed loads under Mowbray, we marked man for man. I also saw someone say that zonal marking was ok at elite level because the players are better; zonal marking actually benefits smaller teams as it means you can focus your best few defenders of the ball in the most important areas, like Guardiola's Barcelona teams for example. I guess this is just a defence of unfair zonal marking criticism. Regards whether we should change from zonal marking, everyone is right, something must change but for me it is probably a mentality/personnel thing more than a system thing.

2 - I think it is actually a better attacking ploy to have people back behind the ball because when the ball gets cleared, you can press in whatever direction the ball is cleared in, if it goes nowhere near the player up the field then they are just out of the game. You also have forward momentum when attacking the ball when it is cleared. It is very common place for teams to not leave someone up so no problem with this from me. I'll add this in here too as I have seen it elsewhere but I wonder how many times in a season a side that covers both posts have someone on the post saving a goal, not many I'd suggest whereas the additional men can help stop a short corner, cover the edge of the box or help mark but you wouldn't necessarily point out the positive impact of this. Not having men on the post also helps you to attack a ball quicker when cleared and also clear out of the box to squeeze the space for the second phase and the ball back in, it certainly has its plus points.

3 - I agree on this on, not a fan. I understand the logic for free kicks in and around the box as it will influence a defence dropping deep or pushing up depending on whether it is an in or out-swinger but corners isn't the same, only really matters to the keeper.

4 -  Amen.

You may well be right about the amount of goals we concede from set pieces being more of a mentality thing rather than because of zonal marking.

For me I think having a man staying up near the halfway line when we are defending corners means that the opposition has to leave 2 playes back to stop any break away. Also if we have a man up the pitch it means they have a chance of picking up any clearance, by not having anyone up we are giving the ball back. There have been plenty of times this season when we have cleared a corner to no one and the ball has come straight back meaning we still have to defend.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 13, 2020, 10:02:35 PM
You may well be right about the amount of goals we concede from set pieces being more of a mentality thing rather than because of zonal marking.

For me I think having a man staying up near the halfway line when we are defending corners means that the opposition has to leave 2 playes back to stop any break away. Also if we have a man up the pitch it means they have a chance of picking up any clearance, by not having anyone up we are giving the ball back. There have been plenty of times this season when we have cleared a corner to no one and the ball has come straight back meaning we still have to defend.
And
The attacking team can throw all their defenders in to our box....even if we get 5he ball away from the initial corner, they are then still up for the second wave .
We should leave 2 up Phillips and Diangana .....it would really take the pressure off our defence
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pureade1 on January 13, 2020, 11:07:21 PM
For me do I think things are perfect? Far from it. Do I think slav is the right man for the job definitely. Do I think if I question things on this form in particular that I will be shouted down.... 100% yes.

Slav is the man I want in charge but that doesn’t make him immune to criticism or mistakes, what frustrates me is the way any criticism is immediately regarded as ‘your moaning you should be at the Wo1ve5’ responses.

Overall nobody can doubt what Slav has done, fantastic job so far to put us in the position we are in, however and judging by what I have seen and heard of the man he would be the first to admit their have been mistakes and they need putting right.

In Slav I 100% trust but in the ‘happy clapper, don’t dare criticise anything brigade’ then I’m not interested.

We will go up, Slav will get it right but there will be mistakes and he will be the first to say that I’m sure.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 14, 2020, 09:52:30 AM
For me do I think things are perfect? Far from it. Do I think slav is the right man for the job definitely. Do I think if I question things on this form in particular that I will be shouted down.... 100% yes.

Slav is the man I want in charge but that doesn’t make him immune to criticism or mistakes, what frustrates me is the way any criticism is immediately regarded as ‘your moaning you should be at the Wo1ve5’ responses.

Overall nobody can doubt what Slav has done, fantastic job so far to put us in the position we are in, however and judging by what I have seen and heard of the man he would be the first to admit their have been mistakes and they need putting right.

In Slav I 100% trust but in the ‘happy clapper, don’t dare criticise anything brigade’ then I’m not interested.

We will go up, Slav will get it right but there will be mistakes and he will be the first to say that I’m sure.

Can't see any responses of that kind at all. A number of people , myself included, are asking questions which have had reasoned responses.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on January 14, 2020, 10:16:37 AM
Half way point of this season and he's done an exceptional job. The point is though we're halfway and as fans many of us see the team and squad needs help. Last season at his point, we didn't get it right with the players we brought in (Murphy for Barnes - shudder) so hopefully this year, we can add a couple of quality first team starters plus a couple of squad players to an already strong team/ squad.I don't think there's too much wrong other than (simply!??) tightening up at the back a bit and having someone who can score when we're struggling to create something. Sounds so simple........... :P
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ronnie_allen on January 14, 2020, 04:30:03 PM
And
The attacking team can throw all their defenders in to our box....even if we get 5he ball away from the initial corner, they are then still up for the second wave .
We should leave 2 up Phillips and Diangana .....it would really take the pressure off our defence

I remember in Rondon's first game away to Watford who were newly promoted. Anytime we got a corner; they place three of their players spread out on the half-way line. We seemed to be quite confused for a while and ended up having to significantly reduce the number and quality of the players we were attacking he corner with.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on January 14, 2020, 09:18:23 PM
I've always thought we should leave at least one player up at corners. That said many people's former favourite sly old fox Roy rarely did. It used to drive me barmy. Mr Hodgson hasn't had a bad career though......
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 20, 2020, 10:11:57 PM
Never been fully sold on Bilic , said that a few months back too .
I didn't and still don't think theres enough goals in our front three and midfield base to justify the 4 2 3 1 with a limited forward , it was always going to be a case of Phillips vanishing , Pereira doesn't have a record of scoring and Diang was a bit unknown .
Lone forward we are left with a slow Austin , Zohare doesn't look up to it and H.R.K is H.R.K even in a better bit of form.
Add that to full backs out of position and weak defending of set pieces it looks like Bilic has a half built side despite the good start.
Not convinced.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on January 20, 2020, 10:17:31 PM
But what else can he do really?! There's a couple of arguments like Austin>Zohore & why change shape after 90 seconds but he can't help the injuries to Diangana, Gibbs and Ferguson.

Some of the existing squad was awful quite frankly. Townsend is woeful.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 20, 2020, 10:21:28 PM
But what else can he do really?! There's a couple of arguments like Austin>Zohore & why change shape after 90 seconds but he can't help the injuries to Diangana, Gibbs and Ferguson.

Some of the existing squad was awful quite frankly. Townsend is woeful.
We don't have to leave huge gaps between the CB's and full backs , they are miles away from the first whistle and its a regular thing .For Johnstone's faults we are exposed game after game , too weak and too easy to score against . Poor goals mostly too.
Livermore and especially Sawyers have dipped yet are untouchable .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 20, 2020, 10:21:42 PM
But what else can he do really?! There's a couple of arguments like Austin>Zohore & why change shape after 90 seconds but he can't help the injuries to Diangana, Gibbs and Ferguson.

Some of the existing squad was awful quite frankly. Townsend is woeful.

He can freshen it up. He is playing the same players the same way despite it not working.

Best performance since the Swansea game (our most complete one of the season) was charlton in the cup. Livermore needs dropping both barry and harper played well that game. Phillip's off form why not try brunt or give Edward's a run
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2020, 10:29:00 PM
I think Slav is getting a bit of unjust stick. I think we've overachieved massively especially when you look at the strikers at our disposal. We need to back him in this window.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 20, 2020, 10:32:50 PM
Never been fully sold on Bilic , said that a few months back too .
I didn't and still don't think theres enough goals in our front three and midfield base to justify the 4 2 3 1 with a limited forward , it was always going to be a case of Phillips vanishing , Pereira doesn't have a record of scoring and Diang was a bit unknown .
Lone forward we are left with a slow Austin , Zohare doesn't look up to it and H.R.K is H.R.K even in a better bit of form.
Add that to full backs out of position and weak defending of set pieces it looks like Bilic has a half built side despite the good start.
Not convinced.

Agreed. I really want to be sold too, because I  really like him. I saw him referred to as BBC Bilic before He was appointed and I nervously laughed at it as I was worried he might be a better speaker than coach. A Neville you could say.

He does get spoken about as if he is a top manager and his record doesn’t really justify it. Same as his playing career, gets called an amazing player all the time but he wasn’t, realitively in a top division in top league. He was an average prem player.

I hope he can’t turn it around and I’m not writing him off yet, but he’s got to do something. Stop fucking wasting two players on corners too.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 20, 2020, 10:33:45 PM
I think Slav is getting a bit of unjust stick. I think we've overachieved massively especially when you look at the strikers at our disposal. We need to back him in this window.
Exactly , Bilic bases his teams around attacking midfielders and thats where he goes wrong .
Its strikers who get you up over 46 games
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggies_24 on January 20, 2020, 10:34:09 PM
What’s happened to the 1 touch football we played at the start of the season? All of them played the ball off and then stand there giving the guy on the ball nowhere to go and it ends up going backwards, the one time we did attempt a 1-2 we cut straight through Stoke with the Phillips flick to Pereira we then decide to go away from that tactic and start lumping aimless balls into the box.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on January 20, 2020, 10:35:16 PM
I think Slav is getting a bit of unjust stick. I think we've overachieved massively especially when you look at the strikers at our disposal. We need to back him in this window.
Slaven better show his ruthless side and drop the likes  of Saywers, Phillips and Livermore.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ranvir wba90 on January 20, 2020, 10:38:36 PM
Need pace in the team. Willock n Tulloch need a chance. Dont know why Hegazi started. Sawyers/livermore off the boil. Need a left back, centre mid, striker, winger
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on January 20, 2020, 10:39:53 PM
He can freshen it up. He is playing the same players the same way despite it not working.

Best performance since the Swansea game (our most complete one of the season) was charlton in the cup. Livermore needs dropping both barry and harper played well that game. Phillip's off form why not try brunt or give Edward's a run

Really good point, i enjoyed that game. It was against a weakened team though so needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. I'd say Barry deserves a chance in place of Livermore and Austin deserves to start.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 20, 2020, 10:46:17 PM
Really good point, i enjoyed that game. It was against a weakened team though so needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. I'd say Barry deserves a chance in place of Livermore and Austin deserves to start.
Another thing with how Bilic plays , its so open Barry looked like he had concrete in his boots in his last starts .
Livermore just about gets away it , Hegazi gets exposed .
We really don't help ourselves.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBArgo on January 20, 2020, 10:46:33 PM
If I recall we started the season playing a mixed bag which included quite a bit of ineffective football at times, Milwall at home stood out in particular. Then Diangana came on vs Luton and destroyed them, since then we kicked on; even the loss to Leeds was a very good performance in many ways.

I think it shows just how important Diangana is for us, he's not superman but I think he brings the heat off the likes of Perreira and Sawyers as the other teams defenders also have Diangana to bother with.
The results without him prove this to an extent.

It's a big period for Bilic, it's easy when you keep winning but he has to turn it round now and look at other options such as Harper and/or bringing in new players to freshen things up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 20, 2020, 11:08:40 PM
The squad needs reinforcements as were lacking options. Especially with Diangana injured. This side has been missing a striker all season - it is criminal that we spunked the budget on that lump Zohore - the fact HRK is our ‘star’ striker is damning. We’ve regressed so badly in that area.

My real annoyance at the moment is the lack of movement. There is just nothing happening. Everyone stood still, gazing at Pereria in hope he produces some magic.

Mind numbing, sideways rubbish with zero penetration 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2020, 11:12:32 PM
Right then

I’m not sold on him.....not anti him, but like on any subject I try and be fair

The keeper is atrocious ....how can billic and the management team not see that ?

O’Shea ...came on when Bartley got injured(because Hegazi had made an issue) he played well, his reward was bombed out the squad next match, hegazi started

Barnsley away....that day we tried Krov, pereira Barry and sawyers out wide at different stages during the game.....he left Edwards and Phillips as unused subs

Today....after setting up 451 and you would assume that we trained mainly with this all week, the left winger goes off after a couple of mins
Do you
A) replace like for like because you have a fast left winger available
B) send on a striker who despite getting v lucky and scoring twice looks woefully short and scared off the ball?

If I thought about it I could write many many more.....he worries me.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on January 20, 2020, 11:15:35 PM
Why was Hegazi played in numerous times by Sawyers during game to pump ball up to one of the most ineffective forwards I've seen in stripes in years baffling.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on January 20, 2020, 11:22:06 PM
Would still far rather a manager like Billic than, for example, a Michael ONeill.  I doubt O'Neill knows how to play any other way than compact defence in numbers and hope for a counter. Whereas I think Billic's instinct is to play attacking football and to choose flair players. Doesn't mean he won't make the odd mistake like choosing Zohore rather than
replacing Diangana with a wide player (Edwards).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2020, 11:37:28 PM
Would still far rather a manager like Billic than, for example, a Michael ONeill.  I doubt O'Neill knows how to play any other way than compact defence in numbers and hope for a counter. Whereas I think Billic's instinct is to play attacking football and to choose flair players. Doesn't mean he won't make the odd mistake like choosing Zohore rather than
replacing Diangana with a wide player (Edwards).
Odd mistake?
7 points from 9 games.....that would get Darren Moore sacked
No clean sheet at home...that should get the keeper sacked
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on January 20, 2020, 11:38:15 PM
Giving Bilic the benefit of the doubt but in reality we haven't changed our style of play since Moore's tenure. Passing has no tempo or purpose with first instinct of player under pressure to play ball backwards or side ways
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2020, 11:41:52 PM
There are many saying that we are desperate for “fresh faces” or “new signings”....maybe we should get a couple of deals done but , sometimes the answer is in front of your nose

Bond
Ferguson
Edwards
Krovinovic
O’Shea
Harper
All of which could and Should have been more involved over the festive period and/or not messed around for no good reason


Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mo on January 20, 2020, 11:41:58 PM
Right then

I’m not sold on him.....not anti him, but like on any subject I try and be fair

The keeper is atrocious ....how can billic and the management team not see that ?

O’Shea ...came on when Bartley got injured(because Hegazi had made an issue) he played well, his reward was bombed out the squad next match, hegazi started

Barnsley away....that day we tried Krov, pereira Barry and sawyers out wide at different stages during the game.....he left Edwards and Phillips as unused subs

Today....after setting up 451 and you would assume that we trained mainly with this all week, the left winger goes off after a couple of mins
Do you
A) replace like for like because you have a fast left winger available
B) send on a striker who despite getting v lucky and scoring twice looks woefully short and scared off the ball?

If I thought about it I could write many many more.....he worries me.

There have been a few notable strange choices and decisions in recent weeks , another you could point to is Austin who despite scoring some important goals now appears to be behind a bloke who couldn’t get on the bench a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2020, 11:42:36 PM
There have been a few notable strange choices and decisions in recent weeks , another you could point to is Austin who despite scoring some important goals now appears to be behind a bloke who couldn’t get on the bench a few weeks ago.
Yep
There is defiantly a weird ranking system going on
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on January 20, 2020, 11:46:34 PM
There have been a few notable strange choices and decisions in recent weeks , another you could point to is Austin who despite scoring some important goals now appears to be behind a bloke who couldn’t get on the bench a few weeks ago.

Agree. Austin scored two at Blues and has barely figured in the league since. O'Shea came on as sub in another game didn't put a foot wrong and is bombed out again straight away. Diangana off after two mins tonight replaced by Zohore when we had Edward's available against a defence with 3 CH's in it.

Slaven is making some strange decisions at the moment.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mo on January 20, 2020, 11:47:06 PM
Yep
There is defiantly a weird ranking system going on

I think he’s clutching at straws hoping for a positive outcome and searching even further when it doesn’t go his way . Tonight’s substitution was bizarre .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie38 on January 20, 2020, 11:48:31 PM
There are many saying that we are desperate for “fresh faces” or “new signings”....maybe we should get a couple of deals done but , sometimes the answer is in front of your nose

Bond
Ferguson
Edwards
Krovinovic
O’Shea
Harper
All of which could and Should have been more involved over the festive period and/or not messed around for no good reason

This is spot on especially in Harpers case. Both livermore and Sawyers are beyond embarrassing at the moment.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on January 20, 2020, 11:51:01 PM
Yes I would give Harper a chance. When is he back from injury though?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2020, 11:51:30 PM
This is spot on especially in Harpers case. Both livermore and Sawyers are beyond embarrassing at the moment.
Thank you sir

                     Bond
Furlong.  Semi.   O’Shea.   Ferguson

ORSIC.    Harper.   Krovinovic.  Edwards
                   Pereira
                    H.r.k

Not too bad a line up?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 20, 2020, 11:54:03 PM
Thank you sir

                     Bond
Furlong.  Semi.   O’Shea.   Ferguson

ORSIC.    Harper.   Krovinovic.  Edwards
                   Pereira
                    H.r.k

Not too bad a line up?

Theres enough under belly there to make Mowbray have a fit

That midfield is awful.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2020, 11:55:27 PM
Theres enough under belly there to make Mowbray have a fit

That midfield is awful.
Opinions
I’d rather play again tonight with those boys
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Foster#1 on January 21, 2020, 01:51:41 AM
To think he's had half a year and got us top.

Yes we're in a bad run but to even see the word "sack" is embarrassing really imo.

He will take us up no doubt about it for me.

I never see anyone praising the opposition ? Always doom and gloom. No wonder the atmosphere is **** poor. We got outsung all game by barely 1300 people
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie38 on January 21, 2020, 06:00:18 AM
Thank you sir

                     Bond
Furlong.  Semi.   O’Shea.   Ferguson

ORSIC.    Harper.   Krovinovic.  Edwards
                   Pereira
                    H.r.k

Not too bad a line up?

That midfield is way to lightweight and just not good enough. Not to mention why are you including a player we may not even sign
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mister AT on January 21, 2020, 08:23:32 AM
Important few days for Bilic now. He has clearly stated we need players, so it’s over to the club now and whether they back him to get the job over the line or leave him to turn this rubbish around.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 21, 2020, 08:27:51 AM
its not that desperate we need Harper yet. Hes played twice in the cups and looked poor in both so hes not exactly pulling trees either.

Billic got it oh so wrong last night and his fault we lost the game IMO. Everybody makes mistakes so we need to put it right.

I just cannot believe his thoughts behind putting in Hegazi in for Ajayi and not putting Edwards on in a straight swap and put Zohore on instead.

Hegazi & Zohore's performance were the worst i have seen in a long time last night.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 21, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
I think we need a change in system, if Diangana isn't playing / isn't fit enough.

Sawyers - Livermore - Krovinovic

Perreira - Striker - Phillips / Edwards

4-3-3 might be the way forward.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 21, 2020, 09:05:49 AM
I think we need a change in system, if Diangana isn't playing / isn't fit enough.

Sawyers - Livermore - Krovinovic

Perreira - Striker - Phillips / Edwards

4-3-3 might be the way forward.


i think personally it is pointless having Perreria on the pitch if he is going to be put out wide. He has to play in the number 10 and have an influence on the game. he gets put out wide and has no involvement then naturally drifts inside and we have no cover/option on that wing.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on January 21, 2020, 09:45:20 AM
Important few days for Bilic now. He has clearly stated we need players, so it’s over to the club now and whether they back him to get the job over the line or leave him to turn this rubbish around.

Not all about new players. Bilic's focus should be trying get more out of many good enough players who aren't player to their potential such as
Phillips
Zohore
Austin
Johnstone
Hegazi
Livermore (at times)
Krovinovic

That's a long list of players who would (on form) make a big difference.................


Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albion79 on January 21, 2020, 09:50:30 AM
This is the first big test for Slav as Albion boss.

I think from what i have read he lost the West Ham job because they got into a rut and he didnt change enough things and they just went bad to worse, We arent at that stage yet and this is his chance to show he learnt from the West Ham experience.

We have to put it into perspective, we are still top of the league, mainly due to our form upto middle of December, we have had a bad six weeks but we arent in a crisis, we are in bad run of form that can be rectified.

We have a cup match saturday where i am assuming most of the squad players will be played, if i was Bilic i would be announcing to the whole squad that bar maybe couple of positions (Furlong at right back namely) that every other position is up for grabs.

Everybody has a bad game, you dont drop them because of that, but when it becomes 7 or 8 games and its not just one or two players out of form (you can carry them a bit) but its most of the starting 11 out of form then you have every right to make changes.

There will be some players saturday who will play time to time and can still do a job but probably wont be Albion regulars (Barry, Brunt, Fitzwater)

There will be others who should really have a chance of grabbing a shirt as starters (Bond, O'Shea, Harper, Austin, Edwards) and if they play well saturday, on the back of decent performances at Charlton the round before as well as other cameo appearances previously this season, they should be given a run of games, you cant judge on just one game here and there.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on January 21, 2020, 10:31:45 AM
Slav needs to shake this team up a bit. Too many players are out of sorts right now. But we don't have the quality in depth so players have become complacent. Some big decisions by Slav and the board are needed in the next few days.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on January 21, 2020, 11:03:17 AM
For the first time I'm worried that Slaven hasn't got the answer's to this dramatic slump in form. Can not believe we are a one man team whom other teams just sit on all game but it's becoming painfully obvious that we are.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on January 21, 2020, 11:24:33 AM
I'm not sure there's muc Bilic can do at the moment.  Missing Gibbs\Ferguson and Diangana is causing us all sorts of problems down our left hand side.  Having to rely on Zohore\HRK\Austin as the front line isn't helping at all, we rely on the midfield getting forward to score gals.  When Diangana plays it occupies the other team giving him, Pererira and Phillips more space. 

Our issue is the players out injured and a weak front line.  Need to get the players back fit and sign a forward or two.





Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on January 21, 2020, 11:34:06 AM
I'm not sure there's muc Bilic can do at the moment.  Missing Gibbs\Ferguson and Diangana is causing us all sorts of problems down our left hand side.  Having to rely on Zohore\HRK\Austin as the front line isn't helping at all, we rely on the midfield getting forward to score gals.  When Diangana plays it occupies the other team giving him, Pererira and Phillips more space. 

Our issue is the players out injured and a weak front line.  Need to get the players back fit and sign a forward or two.


He could change the system for a start. We have two strikers that are way better suited to a two yet he persists with one up top. Keep playing the "undroppables" like Johnstone and Phillips does him no favours either.

Slav had the midas touch early season every sub seemed to work and if the subs didnt we got lucky with injury time goals or dodgy pens.

I like Slav but he isnt god and he isnt unaccountable. His decision making at the moment is not good enough.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wba1993dave on January 21, 2020, 11:53:00 AM
I wonder if Lai and his pals are getting a little bit nervy over our recent form. I just get the feeling Dowling and Bilic are not seeing eye to eye on transfers.  Bilic looked a bit down on the touchline last night. Last night's performance was simply not good enough. Hope he can turn this around but he needs help from the board.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on January 21, 2020, 12:49:16 PM
We badly need some investment this month. If any business stands still, it will ultimately go backwards. We are clearly relying too much on Diangana, as without him we look lost. IMHO we need a 'good' striker, probably 2 more wide players, and a fullback. But if Lai sits on his hands because he thinks we are almost home and dry, then we will be back in the play offs before we know it. Confidence must be waning at this point, regardless what Slav says. If we dont reinforce the troops this month I really fear for us. Fulham are looking dangerous, and I won't discount Forest or Brentford either. Slav has to consider changing our formation, or personnel, or both. Just letting it drift is hurting us badly.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 21, 2020, 01:29:16 PM
its not that desperate we need Harper yet. Hes played twice in the cups and looked poor in both so hes not exactly pulling trees either.

Billic got it oh so wrong last night and his fault we lost the game IMO. Everybody makes mistakes so we need to put it right.

I just cannot believe his thoughts behind putting in Hegazi in for Ajayi and not putting Edwards on in a straight swap and put Zohore on instead.

Hegazi & Zohore's performance were the worst i have seen in a long time last night.

I tend to agree with this aside from the shout on Hegazi.

I thought Hegazi was a nailed on giving our deficiencies in dealing with crosses into the box - alongside Bartley that should be meat and drink. Little did we know he would play like he was

I am with you all day on the Zohore shout - it has came from nowhere and seemed like someone clutching at straws. Given we would have prepared to play with a winger, to lose one in the first minute & then not replace him with a like for like replacement was baffling.

It meant we were pedestrian and one paced. Zohore, HRK, Austin, Brunt, Livermore & Sawyers are all much of a much-ness. No ability to run at their opponents and take a man on. The variety which made us so exciting has vanished.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on January 21, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
Much as Darren Moore pushing Gayle out wide baffled me, so does sacrificing Periera by playing him wide, If anyone should go out wide its HRK
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 21, 2020, 02:26:56 PM
I tend to agree with this aside from the shout on Hegazi.

I thought Hegazi was a nailed on giving our deficiencies in dealing with crosses into the box - alongside Bartley that should be meat and drink. Little did we know he would play like he was

I am with you all day on the Zohore shout - it has came from nowhere and seemed like someone clutching at straws. Given we would have prepared to play with a winger, to lose one in the first minute & then not replace him with a like for like replacement was baffling.

It meant we were pedestrian and one paced. Zohore, HRK, Austin, Brunt, Livermore & Sawyers are all much of a much-ness. No ability to run at their opponents and take a man on. The variety which made us so exciting has vanished.

i see what your saying mate, but whether O'Neil completely surprised Billic as they played Campbell upfront who was quick, pacy and they played on the floor so it just looked completely the wrong decision to not play Ajayi who is our quickest Centre half.

Whether Stoke have been playing that way lately i do not know, if they normally go with Vokes upfront and direct then i could understand the Hegazi inclusion.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on January 21, 2020, 03:03:07 PM
I think a core part of the problem is we have lost the quick one-touch football we were playing earlier in the season. There were games where we grabbed control of the midfield and just drove forward at the opposition without losing momentum. A good example was Leeds away (ironically although we were beaten). The players all looked comfortable passing it around, but not dropping the tempo and waiting for the opposition defence to re-group, which is what was happening all of last night's game.

Last night we just knocked it around slowly in front of the Stoke defence and then launched lots of long high crosses into the Stoke box, 95% of which were comfortably dealt with by Butland and their defenders. There was one glimpse late on where Pereira combined with Livermore and broke deep into the Stoke penalty box, that was our most dangerous attack. 

But if you look at the team who were dominating the midfield earlier in the season, the players are still there, apart from Diangana and Gibbs. Billic has to re-discover that formula with those players. Maybe players like Sawyers just need a breather. Maybe Diangana and Gibbs were crucial to it, in which case we must get squad reinforcements who can slot in. At the same time we definitely need a goalscoring striker, as Zohore and HRK are both limited players.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiejohn on January 21, 2020, 03:49:09 PM
I think a core part of the problem is we have lost the quick one-touch football we were playing earlier in the season. There were games where we grabbed control of the midfield and just drove forward at the opposition without losing momentum. A good example was Leeds away (ironically although we were beaten). The players all looked comfortable passing it around, but not dropping the tempo and waiting for the opposition defence to re-group, which is what was happening all of last night's game.

Last night we just knocked it around slowly in front of the Stoke defence and then launched lots of long high crosses into the Stoke box, 95% of which were comfortably dealt with by Butland and their defenders. There was one glimpse late on where Pereira combined with Livermore and broke deep into the Stoke penalty box, that was our most dangerous attack. 

But if you look at the team who were dominating the midfield earlier in the season, the players are still there, apart from Diangana and Gibbs. Billic has to re-discover that formula with those players. Maybe players like Sawyers just need a breather. Maybe Diangana and Gibbs were crucial to it, in which case we must get squad reinforcements who can slot in. At the same time we definitely need a goalscoring striker, as Zohore and HRK are both limited players.

One of the problems I think we've got is the time it takes for our forwards to get back onside, our defenders have to pass it around, by which time the opposition defence is back in place.
Stoke played a really high line last night, which meant there was space behind for a ball over the top.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiebof on January 21, 2020, 09:57:37 PM
We haven't had a season where we've blown teams away regularly, how many times this year did we come away saying, "we didnt play well but got the result?" Over time, results generally catch up.with performances and we probably didnt deserve to be as far out in the lead as we were, something the xG table backed up.

Football is a low scoring game so little decisions can make a big difference and with confidence and some brilliant in game management from Bilic, we found ourselves clear. We have had a bad run and missing Diangana hasnt helped but we were probably also due being on the wrong side of tight results. It can turn around and all is not lost, I actually think we have been a bit better the last few games but confidence is lacking.

For me a few things would certainly help, Pereira staying as the 10 and not being shunted wide. We need to find a way to free up Sawyers, people keep boxing him and Pereira in. I'm not convinced that he is brilliant but Edwards needs to play in the absence of Diangana as we can be one placed without that direct player.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: graka on January 28, 2020, 09:47:41 PM
Is it to early to sack him?
Never changes tactics.
Continually picks certain players regardless of form.
This is worse than some of the rubbish served by pulis and big Dave.
For me I'd do it now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 28, 2020, 09:52:36 PM
It is to early, but i said before he wouldn’t survive if he didn’t turn it around quickly. I think it’s the beginning of the end now. When it comes it will be this run of form that we look back on as where it all went wrong.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on January 28, 2020, 09:54:40 PM
Personally i thought we deserved better and people are being knee jerk - the goals conceded were ridiculous but we could and should have scored more than 2. I don't think he's too far from turning this around, just needs a chance and to make the simple changes.

The pine of Johnstone, BArtley, Livermore and HRK is what needs addressing.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBArgo on January 28, 2020, 09:55:06 PM
I think he'll be given the Luton game.

No offence to Luton but we should be beating them at home, but it wouldn't surprise me at the moment. Something has gone terribly wrong.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 28, 2020, 09:55:49 PM
when he signed it was said he had a 2 year project, I'd be amazed if we sacked him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on January 28, 2020, 09:57:32 PM
Sacking him would be crazy. He has to be given an opportunity with new signings and Diangana and Pereira back. Gibbs is out too remember!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on January 28, 2020, 09:57:40 PM
Just wordplay IMO.

If we don't go up this year and the squad becomes more depleted which it will due to big cutbacks for not going up then we are left to rot. If he can't get us up with this squad he'll have no chance with an inferior one.

I expect there is some kind of walkaway clause for either party at the end of year 1. JUst a hunch.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 28, 2020, 09:59:09 PM
Always the danger when your midfield three are more important than the forward , goals from forwards get you out of this league not 3 or 4 midfielders who never have been regular on the score sheet .Big mistake .
His much hyped subs have gone out the window too.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 28, 2020, 10:00:37 PM
Yes, way too early, but he was criticised by West Ham fans for not being able to organise a defence.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 28, 2020, 10:01:23 PM
Is it to early to sack him?
Never changes tactics.
Continually picks certain players regardless of form.
This is worse than some of the rubbish served by pulis and big Dave.
For me I'd do it now.

Who on earth would you bring in?

It aint good, but to sack him now is wrong. Lets see what the rest of the week has to bring.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 28, 2020, 10:01:39 PM
He’ll get the full season - his name means he won’t be sacked.

There are serious questions to be answered though - this is nowhere near good enough

It seems to be the only changes he is intent on making are swapping around the bleedin’ full backs. That really is not helping a side whose ability to defend looks shot
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: graka on January 28, 2020, 10:02:55 PM
I'd sack him.
Exactly the same as what happened at West ham and couldn't and didn't change enough tactically.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 28, 2020, 10:03:55 PM
I'd sack him.
Exactly the same as what happened at West ham and couldn't and didn't change enough tactically.
Theres a lot of things starting to mirror his end at West Ham
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mig on January 28, 2020, 10:04:30 PM
This squad is nowhere near as good as a lot of you think.

Very little depth after the first XI. With injuries and tiredness our form was always going to be unsustainable. Yes the last 7 games havent been good enough but people need to get off their high horses and realise that this is Bilic's first season and comes after a summer of upheaval.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 28, 2020, 10:07:50 PM
This squad is nowhere near as good as a lot of you think.

Very little depth after the first XI. With injuries and tiredness our form was always going to be unsustainable. Yes the last 7 games havent been good enough but people need to get off their high horses and realise that this is Bilic's first season and comes after a summer of upheaval.

The form was unsustainable but it’s shouldn’t have fallen off a cliff like it has.

Confidence in the side will be shot and one win will not turn it around. Getting over this will take a number of results and it doesn’t look like we have it in us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBArgo on January 28, 2020, 10:10:37 PM
He’ll get the full season - his name means he won’t be sacked.

There are serious questions to be answered though - this is nowhere near good enough

It seems to be the only changes he is intent on making are swapping around the bleedin’ full backs. That really is not helping a side whose ability to defend looks shot

I'm not sure, the board sacked Moore who was a media darling and who was sitting in the play-offs, many of our fans at the time still supported him too. I think it's part of Chinese culture, they're ruthless and don't care what others think so it wouldn't surprise me if he was given the boot.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbarenno on January 28, 2020, 10:12:23 PM
Who replaces Bilic ?? Can’t think of anyone , stick with him and hopefully he can turn it round
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Foster#1 on January 28, 2020, 10:15:00 PM
Sack him and we will fail to go up

Hope club learnt lesson from sacking moore and appointing a bloke who is know at kiddy

Keep him till end , it's nearly Feb. We are 2nd and Into last 16 of fa cup. Sacking him would be ridiculous. Some fans don't look Into long term always short term  @graka
@droitchwitch @pauulolsll or whatever his user name is
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 28, 2020, 10:15:18 PM
I'm not sure, the board sacked Moore who was a media darling and who was sitting in the play-offs, many of our fans at the time still supported him too. I think it's part of Chinese culture, they're ruthless and don't care what others think so it wouldn't surprise me if he was given the boot.

They would have viewed Moore as some tracksuit gaffer, with no experience with better alternative options out there.

Jenkins won’t do that with Billic. He’s a name - and given the mess of it they made last year, I’m not sure they’re likely to repeat it either..
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: kris_boing on January 28, 2020, 10:15:57 PM
Seems clueless in turning things around. We have been terrible for about 2 months now with no sign of turning it around. Questions need to be asked of the manager.

Just can't understand what's gone wrong. We've had injuries sure but the constant errors at the back are not being ironed out. To me it must be complacency and thinking 'We're up.

To not get promoted after the gap we had will be an unbelievable failure.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggies on January 28, 2020, 10:16:26 PM
I have zero faith after last season that Dowling would be able to find a replacement. He is showing the limitations that have help him back in every club job he has had though.

I doubted he was the right man in the summer and I thought he had proved me wrong but less sure now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ranvir wba90 on January 28, 2020, 10:16:39 PM
Needs to have the balls and drop livermore, sawyers, bartley , kanu and Phillips. Needs pace at the back. Ajayi & o'shea should start against luton. We need a proper box to box midfielder. If we dont beat luton Then serious questions have to be asked of the manager.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionBest on January 28, 2020, 10:17:04 PM
No where near the sacking stage yet but we have all but thrown away a 12 point lead and look unable to win games at this level so even the play-offs are looking worryingly difficult at the moment.
As mentioned, we really are looking so similar to the later Big Dave clueless days of last season but even that side never went on a run like this.
Another concern is I remember how Bilic was unable to pull West Ham out of free fall in his last season with them - echoes of Talbot and RDM's spells with us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on January 28, 2020, 10:18:28 PM
Maybe the January budget is going to be used for a different type of recruitment. The **** performances and results aren’t going unnoticed in the boardroom.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 28, 2020, 10:19:10 PM
What the hell is Bilic doing at training?  When you think of what Megson achieved on a shoestring.  The first thing you do on conceding goals is to shore up the defence.  Cardiff were atrocious and we lost to them.  There is no mental strength in this side, they are not doing the hard yards, not winning the key moments in games.  We are going to throw this away.  And FFS ditch Robson Kanu he in no goal threat.  At 0-0 games are on a knife edge.  There is no killer instinct.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Foster#1 on January 28, 2020, 10:19:46 PM
People comparing Moore/billic, why is it always managers ?

Did we not have Johnstone, bartley, hegazi, HRK, Phillips, livermore last season ? All was issues and still are
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on January 28, 2020, 10:21:06 PM
This squad is nowhere near as good as a lot of you think.

Very little depth after the first XI. With injuries and tiredness our form was always going to be unsustainable. Yes the last 7 games havent been good enough but people need to get off their high horses and realise that this is Bilic's first season and comes after a summer of upheaval.

Take a bow. A rare bit of sanity on here. Our team with the current injuries is rubbish. Bilic worked a miracle to get us top in the first place.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggies_24 on January 28, 2020, 10:21:30 PM
It’s not hard to see what teams are doing we have been outworked & outmuscled in every game of this run along with players becoming comfortable and not holding each other accountable for garbage passing, giving the ball away etc.

It needs to go 4-3-3 If Johnstone is in that team Saturday Bilic needs to be sacked on the spot, good shot stopper dreadful keeper. Right back Furlong, CB O’Shea & Ajayi Hegazi is finished for me completely bottled that 50/50 at the end utter disgrace get rid. Townsend LB until Gibbs is back, midfield 3 needs to be Barry, Harper & Krovi. Can’t fault Livermore’s effort but we’re seeing the Livermore that can’t pass wind, Sawyers bottle job doesn’t look interested and needs a fire under his backside another who thinks he can stroll into the team regardless of how he plays, you put Harper in there Saturday and watch him run his gonads off to get back into the team, Barry gives us quality on the ball that Livermore simply doesn’t have. Up top looks like the lad from Sheff U is coming so him on the left, Austin & Phillips.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 28, 2020, 10:22:45 PM
Luton, Millwall, Reading. Three games from the sack in my opinion. Needs to get a couple of wins or i think they’ll pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 28, 2020, 10:23:08 PM
Take a bow. A rare bit of sanity on here. Our team with the current injuries is rubbish. Bilic worked a miracle to get us top in the first place.

Not having that we have spent a fortune compared to big standard Championship teams.  Cardiff and Stoke were appalling and we lost both.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 28, 2020, 10:23:51 PM
Take a bow. A rare bit of sanity on here. Our team with the current injuries is rubbish. Bilic worked a miracle to get us top in the first place.

Not having that we have spent a fortune compared to big standard Championship teams.  Cardiff and Stoke were appalling and we lost both.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionBest on January 28, 2020, 10:25:16 PM
Luton, Millwall, Reading. Three games from the sack in my opinion. Needs to get a couple of wins or i think they’ll pull the trigger.

He will get the season I think.
Luton looks our only realistic chance of a win out of that three.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 28, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Take a bow. A rare bit of sanity on here. Our team with the current injuries is rubbish. Bilic worked a miracle to get us top in the first place.
Can’t agree
Everybody even Johnstone can see that Johnstone needs dropping .
Billic has his favourites and the weird selections he keeps making only serve to show he’s not tactically where our manager needs to be .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: chipperclark on January 28, 2020, 10:25:56 PM
 ??? Needs to play the team that won at West Ham...this is getting ridiculous with the results we are getting.
I think there is something behind the scenes and maybe Lai has said "don't spend any money on players" so Bilic may have thrown his toys out of the pram.
We don't really know what goes on behind the scenes but looks like things are turning pair shaped. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smosher34 on January 28, 2020, 10:27:41 PM
Needs to have a good hard look in the mirror.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 28, 2020, 10:28:14 PM
Lose to Luton and I think it will look desperate for Bilic. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 28, 2020, 10:35:04 PM
I don’t want to say I told you so .....but have said for some time now
Crazy selections
Refusal to deal with the obvious
Tactics and substitutions not effective

I’m not calling franksie.....yet.....but he really needs to pull his finger(and Johnstone) out
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 28, 2020, 10:38:10 PM
There is a complete lack of fight in the team and that stems from the manager.  Why do the opposition always want it more than us? Organise your defence.  And be ruthless is attack.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on January 28, 2020, 10:38:35 PM
We have got more points from losing positions than any other team in the division. We should never have boasted about this, as it shows an underlying issue, that we can't defend. If we can't keep a clean sheet we have to score a minimum of 2 each game to get a win. That was clearly unsustainable. The defence hasn't improved at all this season under his leadership. All the best teams are built around a sound defence. Since our midfield have stopped scoring, we as a team have gone backwards. Out of the top 6 teams we must have the worst strikeforce of any of them?? (Zohore, Austin & HRK). The fact that both Pereira and Diangana are out has highlighted how weak the squad actually is. Im amazed we had both Brunt and Barry on the bench tonight. Tulloch would have been worth a place surely? Our shots on target ratio is appalling. So basically we have issues at both ends of the pitch right now. Johnstone is awful and should be dropped. Bond hasn't let us down when he has played. Theres nothing positive about Johnstone at the moment. He's a disaster waiting to happen. Im sorry but Ferguson should not be near the starting XI if he has no intention of signing a new deal, particularly when Townsend gave a decent account of himself at the weekend. Bringing on 2 strikers tonight meant unsettling the team, with someone having to play out of position yet again. Square pegs in round holes. If missing both Diangana ans Pereira is having this much of a bad effect on the team, then it doesn't say a lot for those that are left. Forget needing 2 more players, I'd suggest we need about 5 at the moment. Slav hasn't shown me anything over the last few weeks to give me confidence that he can change things around. It seems that only luck will do that, and I won't rely on that happening. I think the first half of the season we got away with it thanks to our midfield, but since they have gone missing our chickens have come home to roost. As it stands we are going to struggle to make the play offs. Here's hoping im wrong and we stuff Luton 6-0 on Saturday. I just hope the real 'Albion' return and replace these imposters ASAP.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 28, 2020, 10:38:55 PM
There is a complete lack of fight in the team and that stems from the manager.  Why do the opposition always want it more than us? Organise your defence.  And be ruthless is attack.

Amazing when you look at Bilic and his number 2
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 28, 2020, 10:40:29 PM
Sorry to post this but I'm getting faint wiffs of Bryan Robson's time here , hope it dies off quick. :o
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 28, 2020, 10:45:48 PM
Amazing when you look at Bilic and his number 2

But who to transfer it to?
HRK was wrestling on the floor at Charlton two weeks ago, how many of his team mates went over to help or back him up?....now change that to ryan giggs on the floor in the Fergie years ...I can see Keynes teeth, scholes going mental, schmeical running 50yds to get stuck in etc ...
I said a few weeks ago in order we need
A keeper
A complete ******* in midfield
 I stand by it , I can cope with HRK and Austin as options upfront ( because kalamity ken really isn’t one) if we could sort these 2 positions
No one can convince me that with semi,sawyers,Diangana,Pererira, krovinovic and Phillips there isn’t enough to romp the league ....but you have to earn the right to play first.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: graka on January 28, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
So let's see. Hegazi is awful threw his toys out the pram and low and behold he's back playing next to Bartley and we all saw how that worked out last season.
Johnstone a really poor goalie, bond plays now and again keeps clean sheets never gets picked in the league - favouritism??
Townsend not the best but a trier and a natural left back, plays Ferguson who is right footed and wants to leave. 
O Shea did ok but is a centre half yet gets played at right back instead of a right back- furlong

Livermore a. It more mobile this season but still offers nothing at either end of the pitch and can't pass wind.

Sawyers makes us tick but needs movement in front of him and carries Livermore every week.

We started with 4 centre halves tonight and still couldn't keep a clean sheet.
Bilic picked this.
Consistently overlooks Harper, willock and others

He's lost it.

Diangana and peirera made others look better than they are and hid some awful selections and tactics

He needs to go.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on January 28, 2020, 11:41:05 PM
Its a complete overreaction by talking about getting rid of Billic. Even he predicted that we would have a bad run. Almost every team does, including Leeds.  We are now missing 3 of our most important and creative players. If we can also get a decent goalscoring striker to sniff out the half chances that HRK is unable to, then I think we should be ok.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BalisPen on January 28, 2020, 11:55:27 PM
I am not endorsing it, but after what they did to DM last season I would not be surprised if they were sounding out the likes of Chris Hughton.

Personally, I think it all stems from GD's injury and to a lesser extent KG.

I also don't understand why Furlong is the one always making way for others.

I am Well depressed with all of it at the moment.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: overseas baggie on January 29, 2020, 12:47:22 AM
Unbelievable that folk are suggesting that Bilic be sacked.  We’re having a poor run but this is a bloody tough league and every side has one or more bad runs over 46 games.  We have no divine right to rock up and just get 3 points.

We’ve missed Diangana and Gibbs massively.  We’re missing half our teeth. Opposition are no longer scared of us.  With Diangana missing they can focus on snuffing out Pereira.  With them both playing there are two threads to snuff out and they can’t cope.  We urgently need an injection of fresh blood before the window closes.

The defence is poor and keeps making stupid errors, just like we did under DM last season.  Made worse this year by zonal marking. 

But let’s take stock. We are in the top 2 with 17 games to go and it’s totally in our hands.  New players are coming in this week.  Let’s get behind the team and get over the line.  There will be ups and downs.  Leeds, Forest, Brentford and Fulham will make it very hard for us, but if we turn on Bilic then we deserve what we get.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 29, 2020, 03:54:55 AM
Unbelievable that folk are suggesting that Bilic be sacked.  We’re having a poor run but this is a bloody tough league and every side has one or more bad runs over 46 games.  We have no divine right to rock up and just get 3 points.

We’ve missed Diangana and Gibbs massively.  We’re missing half our teeth. Opposition are no longer scared of us.  With Diangana missing they can focus on snuffing out Pereira.  With them both playing there are two threads to snuff out and they can’t cope.  We urgently need an injection of fresh blood before the window closes.

The defence is poor and keeps making stupid errors, just like we did under DM last season.  Made worse this year by zonal marking. 

But let’s take stock. We are in the top 2 with 17 games to go and it’s totally in our hands.  New players are coming in this week.  Let’s get behind the team and get over the line.  There will be ups and downs.  Leeds, Forest, Brentford and Fulham will make it very hard for us, but if we turn on Bilic then we deserve what we get.

Perspective we are a pretty poor team in which billic managed to get a tune out and over achieve. We did very well up until that Wigan game. We have been awful since. Luck left us we have had quite a few first team players out injured.

The billic system relies on goals from midfield but no diangana means people double up on periera. Phillips form gone. Forwards aren't getting enough. I think before season if people said we would be 2nd after 29 games most of us would have taken it.

Billic needs to drop the right players. He rotates the strikers and the full backs. Manager needs to be brave. Cup side performed better than the league team and some of them need to be brought in. Johnstone not good enough cant catch a cold doesnt instill confidence in the team. Hegazi and bartley not sure who has been worse last few games. Livermore purple patch been and gone and a fond memory. Needs switching out. Hrk leads line well never was going to fire us to promotion.

We are in danger of missing out on the playoffs. Manager was awesome first 21 games his subs we always right and the right time. If we went behind I always felt confident we could rescue it. Now his team are devoid of ideas and as soon as were behind I dont see us getting anything.

If he doesnt freshen up v luton we wont get the result and people will begin asking whether or not we need to change the boss
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 29, 2020, 06:14:33 AM
First of all, I'm a million miles from even considering sacking Bilic would be a good idea, but, even when we were winning, teams had sussed out our frailties to balls into the box, more recently, we have continued with those frailties but also look completely toothless up front, our build up play is so slow and predictable, virtually every team in the division look secure against us, knowing we will probably make a defensive error means all they have to do is play the percentages.

The failure to play an alternative way when we lose players (Diangana), is worrying and also a failure of recruitment, a simple 4-4-2 with Austin and another as two strikers and playing it long would be a realistic alternative and make us far less predictable.

Playing Ferguson last night was a strange one, his head is clearly not right and should be sold and nowhere near the first team.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 29, 2020, 06:52:20 AM
We have quality youth players refusing to sign new contracts, from the last few games it looks like he has lost the dressing room as well,especially from his comments to the press last night about what was said in the dressing room. His failure to mix things up tactically are a really worry.

Moore was being hounded out of the club by many on here long before his disastrous run and people refused to accept the loss of Barnes and injuries he had to deal with as an excuse. So why should they be an excuse for Billic?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: overseas baggie on January 29, 2020, 07:13:38 AM
We have quality youth players refusing to sign new contracts, from the last few games it looks like he has lost the dressing room as well,especially from his comments to the press last night about what was said in the dressing room. His failure to mix things up tactically are a really worry.

Moore was being hounded out of the club by many on here long before his disastrous run and people refused to accept the loss of Barnes and injuries he had to deal with as an excuse. So why should they be an excuse for Billic?

LOL.  After that performance of course he should have shouted at them in frustration in the dressing room.  They’ve let him down massively in recent weeks.

We need to back the manager who had a fantastic 21 games and created huge positivity.  Hounding out good managers is not going to take us forwards.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 29, 2020, 07:29:22 AM
I refute these suggestions we have a mediocre squad for the Championship.  We've spent a lot of money compared to the likes of Cardiff.  Bilic is not picking the right players to start, for instance Bond, Austin and now a massive case can be made for Brunt and Barry.  There looks to little or no defensive organisation on the training ground.  It is a given we will concede in a league match.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2020, 07:33:13 AM
to early for sacking yet but he should start the team who beat west ham and charlton from the cup games. sawyers who i have never been a fan along with livermore should be dropped
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 29, 2020, 08:13:25 AM
cannot believe the S word is even being used.

i think he has done a terrific job with the squad he has. Goals win games and we have the worst strike force in the top 6. 23 games-ish was perfect and some of that work has been thrown away now but i do feel that the quality of our strike force is beginning to tell.

HRK & Zohore with Austin as a strike force and still be in the top 2.

i honestly believe that is our biggest problem and we need a proven goal scorer at this level in before the window shuts.

if we dont, we will not finish top 2.

we need to back Slaven.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 29, 2020, 08:18:49 AM
I refute these suggestions we have a mediocre squad for the Championship.  We've spent a lot of money compared to the likes of Cardiff.  Bilic is not picking the right players to start, for instance Bond, Austin and now a massive case can be made for Brunt and Barry.  There looks to little or no defensive organisation on the training ground.  It is a given we will concede in a league match.

So do I. I agree it isn't as strong as last season but I think 19 of the other managers in the division would swap their squad with ours. It is not a team that should be having such a poor and prolonged run of form.

As has been said, recent form is relegation form. Its not good enough and Bilic has to sort it out. He has to figure out how to make us more solid at the back. Up front, we may just be able to spend our way out of the problem if we are lucky.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on January 29, 2020, 08:25:07 AM
Bond was playing for a league one side as recently as 2018
Austin gets exhausted after a mild sprint
Brunt is 35..and gets exhausted after a mild sprint
Barry is 38...and gets exhausted after a mild sprint

We also have the likes of Scunthorpe legend Conor Towsend and Kenneth Zohore waiting in the wings.

Doesn't exactly scream promotion does it.

Edit - And that's not even mentioning Hal Robson Kanu...

It was Bilic's decision to keep Barry. Austin is our most natural goalscorer and still our best option. Whilst that is the case we have to try and play to his strengths.

Bond and and Brunt has both barely played. Who do you think is sat on the bench as 2nd choice keeper and 17th/18th man for other championship sides? As for Zohore, I never understood it, but you would assume Bilic signed off on it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 29, 2020, 08:29:10 AM
I was at Cardiff , and many were questioning Bilic's team selection. For me:
Disgraceful treatment of Furlong who has done absolutely nothing wrong.
Similarly, unless Ferguson has indicated that he is staying should not have been chosen ahead of Townsend, leaving us with two right footers on the left flank.
Very questionable bench selection where exactly was pace and energy to come from?
For me I think we are in a place where we always seem to end up with a quite poor squad (excluding Pereira, and Diangana) and players not responding to the manager.
Worrying times
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 08:49:37 AM
cannot believe the S word is even being used.

i think he has done a terrific job with the squad he has. Goals win games and we have the worst strike force in the top 6. 23 games-ish was perfect and some of that work has been thrown away now but i do feel that the quality of our strike force is beginning to tell.

HRK & Zohore with Austin as a strike force and still be in the top 2.

i honestly believe that is our biggest problem and we need a proven goal scorer at this level in before the window shuts.

if we dont, we will not finish top 2.

we need to back Slaven.

This is exactly correct.  People seem to be forgetting just how poor HRK is because he had a little purple patch.  Austin, aside from fitness, you can make a case for but we are clearly very poor up front.  What is Bilic supposed to do?  Try Phillips again up front on his own?  If you've got such a poor strike force you need an amazing midfield and for them to create and sharet he goals - that's what we did until we hit injuries and suspensions.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mr multivac on January 29, 2020, 08:52:37 AM
Anybody know what Julian Dicks roll is ,because if it’s organising the defence he’s not doing a very good job
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiemart on January 29, 2020, 09:10:31 AM
If too many fans blame Julian Dicks they will be calling him to be sacked.   "  Dicks Out "  !!!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on January 29, 2020, 09:17:35 AM
I refute these suggestions we have a mediocre squad for the Championship.  We've spent a lot of money compared to the likes of Cardiff.  Bilic is not picking the right players to start, for instance Bond, Austin and now a massive case can be made for Brunt and Barry.  There looks to little or no defensive organisation on the training ground.  It is a given we will concede in a league match.
This is key. Aside from the refusal to drop players, that under-perform week in week out; Johnstone, Livermore, Sawyers, Phillips, HRK, whoever plays we are getting worse week on week and making more and more basic mistakes. This says to me that the training is poor, motivation is shot and so confidence is non existent.
He needs to make some brave decisions on Saturday, regarding both personnel and formation, whilst, in the meantime, kicking some ass on the training ground because, that's where he earns his corn, not in front of the cameras.

I'm not saying this because I want him sacked, exactly the opposite in fact, I want him to wake up, smell the coffee, sort this mess out and finish the fantastic job he started. It can't go on forever though, if we don't halt this slide, he will be gone, I have no doubt. No manager can survive a run of no wins in 10 or 12 games, regardless of reputation.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: palmaroy on January 29, 2020, 09:23:52 AM
I think Bilic made an enormous error when he picked the team for the Wigan game.He rested our 4 best players,possibly preparing for the Leeds game.Suddenly though he was left with 11 incredibly ordinary players.This was after the Swansea game when we were flying high.Its almost as though its chopped our legs off,injuries hasn’t helped.
I think for the Luton game he has to pick the same 11 as the cup game.Confidence is everything
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 29, 2020, 09:26:19 AM
Well, we have kept two clean sheets this month, with defences comprising Bond, Hegazi, O'Shea, Furlong, Ajayi, Fitzwater and Townsend and midfields comprising Brunt, Harper and Barry.

If I were the manager I would be looking at that and basing my team selection around that as it clerly is not working in the league when we bring Johnstone, Bartley, Livermore and Sawyers back into the equation.

Identify the weak links and address them. The start of the season was superb, but that time has passed. Deal with the here and now. In the here and now there are certain players not performing so stop picking them.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 09:50:29 AM
You're not comparing like for like there and you know it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on January 29, 2020, 10:02:30 AM
This is exactly correct.  People seem to be forgetting just how poor HRK is because he had a little purple patch.  Austin, aside from fitness, you can make a case for but we are clearly very poor up front.  What is Bilic supposed to do?  Try Phillips again up front on his own?  If you've got such a poor strike force you need an amazing midfield and for them to create and sharet he goals - that's what we did until we hit injuries and suspensions.

exactly, but so many on here and elsewhere dont see it.

people slag livermore or sawyers off instead. the movement last night was like watching a team of 75 year olds play. imagine being in that midfield role with the options you have?

HRK will always put in 100% but you cant have him being first or second choice in a team trying to win promotion. he has to be 3rd choice at best. Austin should be 2nd and Zohore should be no where near the club.

it stuck out like a sore thumb last night we have nothing upfront. Zohore was none existent. none of this is bilic fault.

he needs to be backed and get a proven striker in at this level like we should have done in the summer. Diangana and Perreria playing constantly in the first half of the season reduced how visible the striking situation was.



If Bilic had Darren Moores striking options last season we would win the league in march.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on January 29, 2020, 10:41:19 AM
If too many fans blame Julian Dicks they will be calling him to be sacked.   "  Dicks Out "  !!!!
made me laugh that did, DICKS OUT
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on January 29, 2020, 11:23:41 AM
exactly, but so many on here and elsewhere dont see it.

people slag livermore or sawyers off instead. the movement last night was like watching a team of 75 year olds play. imagine being in that midfield role with the options you have?

HRK will always put in 100% but you cant have him being first or second choice in a team trying to win promotion. he has to be 3rd choice at best. Austin should be 2nd and Zohore should be no where near the club.

it stuck out like a sore thumb last night we have nothing upfront. Zohore was none existent. none of this is bilic fault.

he needs to be backed and get a proven striker in at this level like we should have done in the summer. Diangana and Perreria playing constantly in the first half of the season reduced how visible the striking situation was.



If Bilic had Darren Moores striking options last season we would win the league in march.

I quite agree, the strikeforce is not good enough for a side with promotion aspirations.  I will say though that it was apparent to me about 6 league games ago that HRK was suffering a dip and back to his non-threatening self.  I believe in the 2 FA Cup games Austin played and hey presto we won both 0-1.  HRK should have been dropped at the turn of the year.  This useless idea of bringing Austin on after 70 mins is TOO LATE, the pattern of games are set by this point.  Even the last league game we won (2-3 at Blues), Austin rescued us from 2-1 down late on with 2 great strikes. 

There is no movement up front when HRK is up front on his own.  The opposition's defence play 10 yards up the field.  Time for Bilic to drop HRK.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on January 29, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
Bilic has been brilliant so far, but he needs to address this slump, and needs to make changes now. Robinson coming in hopefully means we see the end of Edwards starting. Dropping of the non-performers is a must as well. Hopefully Bilic takes last night on board.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mikkyk on January 29, 2020, 12:30:06 PM
I quite agree, the strikeforce is not good enough for a side with promotion aspirations.  I will say though that it was apparent to me about 6 league games ago that HRK was suffering a dip and back to his non-threatening self.  I believe in the 2 FA Cup games Austin played and hey presto we won both 0-1.  HRK should have been dropped at the turn of the year.  This useless idea of bringing Austin on after 70 mins is TOO LATE, the pattern of games are set by this point.  Even the last league game we won (2-3 at Blues), Austin rescued us from 2-1 down late on with 2 great strikes. 

There is no movement up front when HRK is up front on his own.  The opposition's defence play 10 yards up the field.  Time for Bilic to drop HRK.

Like you say HRK's form dropped a while ago - and not only has he been starting, he has been playing every minute of every game. He was absolutely woeful against Boro and didn't get dragged off.

It worries me that Bilic said earlier in the season, "I didn't realise how good Robson-Kanu was", and has signed off the Zohore transfer as it makes me think he cannot spot a decent striker from a mile off.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: timdon on January 29, 2020, 12:52:28 PM
exactly, but so many on here and elsewhere dont see it.

people slag livermore or sawyers off instead. the movement last night was like watching a team of 75 year olds play. imagine being in that midfield role with the options you have?

HRK will always put in 100% but you cant have him being first or second choice in a team trying to win promotion. he has to be 3rd choice at best. Austin should be 2nd and Zohore should be no where near the club.

it stuck out like a sore thumb last night we have nothing upfront. Zohore was none existent. none of this is bilic fault.

he needs to be backed and get a proven striker in at this level like we should have done in the summer. Diangana and Perreria playing constantly in the first half of the season reduced how visible the striking situation was.



If Bilic had Darren Moores striking options last season we would win the league in march.
I'm far from someone who is at the point of wanting to sack Bilic, but the bit I have highlighted is utter rubbish. Do you really think that Bilic had nothing to do with signing Zohore, nothing to do with signing Austin, nothing to do with giving HRK an extended contract? He has to take his share of responsibility, even if others have been equally culpable.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Oldbury24 on January 29, 2020, 01:05:34 PM
I'm far from someone who is at the point of wanting to sack Bilic, but the bit I have highlighted is utter rubbish. Do you really think that Bilic had nothing to do with signing Zohore, nothing to do with signing Austin, nothing to do with giving HRK an extended contract? He has to take his share of responsibility, even if others have been equally culpable.

Only if the option was Zohore or nowt!!  It's been evident that he's never really trusted him from the get go or he would have had an extended run, and indeed at one point he was completely bombed out of the squad.   If Robinson is fit i expect him to be bombed out again, lets hope the £ figures mentioned for him were very much performance related.

Austin yes, it is obvious that he likes Charlie but on closer assessment of his pace and fitness wants to play him as an impact sub - a role in which he has been tremendous at times.

HRK deserved his year extension, and he had a real purple patch earlier in the year but like other players his form has dipped back to more realistic levels.

I am not saying we should not be questioning some of Billic's decisions, but there is no way he would be happy with the striking options he has at his disposal and this has been confirmed by the first player through the door being a forward with a decent scoring record in the division.   
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: timdon on January 29, 2020, 01:25:20 PM
Only if the option was Zohore or nowt!!  It's been evident that he's never really trusted him from the get go or he would have had an extended run, and indeed at one point he was completely bombed out of the squad.   If Robinson is fit i expect him to be bombed out again, lets hope the £ figures mentioned for him were very much performance related.

Austin yes, it is obvious that he likes Charlie but on closer assessment of his pace and fitness wants to play him as an impact sub - a role in which he has been tremendous at times.

HRK deserved his year extension, and he had a real purple patch earlier in the year but like other players his form has dipped back to more realistic levels.

I am not saying we should not be questioning some of Billic's decisions, but there is no way he would be happy with the striking options he has at his disposal and this has been confirmed by the first player through the door being a forward with a decent scoring record in the division.   
Of course the option wasn't Zohore or nowt. Bilic would have signed it off, so he has to accept some responsibility.
I know £4 million in todays market isn't huge, but as a Championship club trying to live within its means, it is far too much for an impact sub, especially when we don't have a decent first choice.
I can't accept that HRK deserved a contract extension. He has been poor for almost all of his time here. His so called purple patch was more of a pale lilac.
Putting all 3 together, it is costing the club bucket loads of cash, once you add on wages for the next 2/3 years, for 3 players who aren't good enough or fit enough to start.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Oldbury24 on January 29, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
 
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people slag livermore or sawyers off instead. the movement last night was like watching a team of 75 year olds play. imagine being in that midfield role with the options you have?


Totally agree.  There is SOME difference looking up and seeing the movement of Perreira and Diaganna alongside a firing HRK compared to Krov and Edwards and a duff HRK.   Sawyers job is to pick up the ball from defense in difficult and tight  positions and distribute through the lines to a more attacking player - this is a massively underrated quality and we had NO ONE who could do that last year but once he is needed to add creativity further up the field he loses his impact.  Livermore is there to do the box to box work, and get the odd shot off again, once he is needed to add creativity he looks much less effective.

The criticism that could be directed at Billic is that he has kept the same system and hoped that Edwards and Krov could replace the two main men.  Both are triers, but just not in same class.   The quality of those two, alongside the early season form of Phillips, also masked how good our strikers actually are.  It has needed a plan B to be initiated until our best players returned (as in the Cup).

Hopefully, once Grady and Perreira return - alongside some much needed re-reinforcements (of which Robinson is the first) we can go back to letting Sawyers and Livermore do what they do best and Billic will have again have the tools for Plan A to work.     
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on January 29, 2020, 01:37:14 PM
Only if the option was Zohore or nowt!!  It's been evident that he's never really trusted him from the get go or he would have had an extended run, and indeed at one point he was completely bombed out of the squad.   If Robinson is fit i expect him to be bombed out again, lets hope the £ figures mentioned for him were very much performance related.

Austin yes, it is obvious that he likes Charlie but on closer assessment of his pace and fitness wants to play him as an impact sub - a role in which he has been tremendous at times.

HRK deserved his year extension, and he had a real purple patch earlier in the year but like other players his form has dipped back to more realistic levels.

I am not saying we should not be questioning some of Billic's decisions, but there is no way he would be happy with the striking options he has at his disposal and this has been confirmed by the first player through the door being a forward with a decent scoring record in the division.   
He definitely sanctioned Barry's re-signing but doesn't pick him either, despite Livermore and Sawyers no longer working. Al-Habsi is another who came in on his watch but still Johnstone keeps getting picked.

There's a difference between calling out Bilic's mistakes and wanting him sacked. I want him to stay, but he has to take responsibility, he said last night that the players have to look at themselves, well no they don't, he needs to look at them and take action as it will be him, not them, who pays the ultimate price for failure.
(Almost) everyone can see that the likes of Johnstone, Livermore and or Sawyers, Hegazi, HRK, Phillips need to come out of the starting line up so he needs to find the balls to do it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 29, 2020, 01:38:40 PM
This is all reminding me of Di Matteo / Clarke. Went into free fall and the man at the top didn't have the answers.

Hoping I'm wrong, but I can't see him turning it around. He genuinely looks out of ideas.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 01:57:52 PM
I'd be more worried if we were practically at full strength.  Without Diangana\Pereira\Gibbs any team will struggle, especially when we're relying on HRK to hit the back of the net.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 29, 2020, 02:26:05 PM
Surely too early to be talking change but ...Bilic looks beat right now , out of ideas even .Ok injuries but why no Tulloch or Willock on the bench last night ? Lot of silly mistakes on repeat right now , add that to conceding bad goals all season . Needs something to grind out a few results.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 02:31:48 PM
What would Tulloch or Willock have done differently though?  He's already copped flack for putting Ferguson back in.  He can also see those players in training and if he considers them not good enough what point is there in sticking him on the bench.  To us they're practically unknowns but he sees them every day.

He did play O'Shea and that didn't work out.  He also put HRK back in and we got an HRK special performance.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on January 29, 2020, 02:49:36 PM
Surely too early to be talking change but ...Bilic looks beat right now , out of ideas even .Ok injuries but why no Tulloch or Willock on the bench last night ? Lot of silly mistakes on repeat right now , add that to conceding bad goals all season . Needs something to grind out a few results.

Its harsh to be negative about Slaven when he has key players missing. If we were in this position and Grady & Periera had been ever present then I would be concerned. Also he wanted more players across the line in the summer but that didn't happen, so he deserves the time and patience to see that through. I don't think he looks beat, I think he looks frustrated because he knows what he wants and it isn't happening on the pitch. He may sort that out in this transfer window.
Whilst I am concerned about our current form, all I need to do is think about the Pulis era and how we have subsequently changed style wise. We are in a bad patch but we will come out of it I am sure, and to all of you who think we need to get rid of SB, who do you have in mind to replace him? [a rhetorical question that does not need an answer]. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 29, 2020, 03:17:43 PM
What would Tulloch or Willock have done differently though?  He's already copped flack for putting Ferguson back in.  He can also see those players in training and if he considers them not good enough what point is there in sticking him on the bench.  To us they're practically unknowns but he sees them every day.

He did play O'Shea and that didn't work out.  He also put HRK back in and we got an HRK special performance.
Thought O'Shea was alright other than the bad pass , I meant Tulloch or Willock on the bench to be clear.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on January 29, 2020, 03:19:03 PM
Its harsh to be negative about Slaven when he has key players missing. If we were in this position and Grady & Periera had been ever present then I would be concerned. Also he wanted more players across the line in the summer but that didn't happen, so he deserves the time and patience to see that through. I don't think he looks beat, I think he looks frustrated because he knows what he wants and it isn't happening on the pitch. He may sort that out in this transfer window.
Whilst I am concerned about our current form, all I need to do is think about the Pulis era and how we have subsequently changed style wise. We are in a bad patch but we will come out of it I am sure, and to all of you who think we need to get rid of SB, who do you have in mind to replace him? [a rhetorical question that does not need an answer].
Agree with a lot of that but on the other hand we've conceded bad goals all season . Thats a fact too.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 03:19:55 PM
Thought O'Shea was alright other than the bad pass , I meant Tulloch or Willock on the bench to be clear.

I won't be too harsh on O'Shea as he's still learning the game but I thought his crossing wasn't great either.  I realise you meant on the bench, but you'd only put players on the bench tha you think would affect the game surely?  Just not sure on what they'd have brought to the game even if they did make the bench.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on January 29, 2020, 03:26:36 PM
Agree with a lot of that but on the other hand we've conceded bad goals all season . Thats a fact too.

I know Dexy, he is known for his lack of defensive prowess which is something that the West Ham fans mentioned very early on. Improvement in that area would be wonderful. He is definitely from the ' we are going to score more than you' school of management!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbarenno on January 29, 2020, 03:29:07 PM
We had the same problems with conceding goals last season aswell. So it isn’t just a Bilic thing . Facts are Bartley Hegazi and Ajei aren’t good enough , the amount of clean sheets kept make this a fact . The goal keeper isn’t good enough either
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: overseas baggie on January 29, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
We had the same problems with conceding goals last season aswell. So it isn’t just a Bilic thing . Facts are Bartley Hegazi and Ajei aren’t good enough , the amount of clean sheets kept make this a fact . The goal keeper isn’t good enough either

Ajeyinis definitely good enough.  It’s not a “fact” because you can have one very good defender who cannot be judged on clean sheets of the rest of the back 4 are *****!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 29, 2020, 05:54:54 PM
Two new wingers is going to hopefully create more chances for us.

The system has failed last few weeks due to Phillips out of form and Edwards still learning. Robinson and Grosicki could be inspired.

This lack of form has led to issues and issue on Sawyers and Livermore because the ball is not being held up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 29, 2020, 08:59:36 PM
Bond was playing for a league one side as recently as 2018
Austin gets exhausted after a mild sprint
Brunt is 35..and gets exhausted after a mild sprint
Barry is 38...and gets exhausted after a mild sprint

We also have the likes of Scunthorpe legend Conor Towsend and Kenneth Zohore waiting in the wings.

Doesn't exactly scream promotion does it.

Edit - And that's not even mentioning Hal Robson Kanu...

                  My mother

Furlong.      Semi.   Bartley/O’Shea.    Gibbs

Phillips.   Harper.  Pereira  Krov    Diangana

                       HRK / Austin

More than enough to win this league
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: timdon on January 29, 2020, 09:16:34 PM
                  My mother

Furlong.      Semi.   Bartley/O’Shea.    Gibbs

Phillips.   Harper.  Pereira  Krov    Diangana

                       HRK / Austin

More than enough to win this league
Does your mother command her area?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Foster#1 on January 29, 2020, 09:26:18 PM
                  My mother

Furlong.      Semi.   Bartley/O’Shea.    Gibbs

Phillips.   Harper.  Pereira  Krov    Diangana

                       HRK / Austin

More than enough to win this league

Must have experience grabbing balls then ?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on January 29, 2020, 09:48:13 PM
I'm not even going to make the joke about her box.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 29, 2020, 10:27:45 PM
I'm not even going to make the joke about her box.
Feel free ....Judging by your posts your desperate for some humour 😀

If my moms plays vs Luton I’d be more confident of a clean sheet (o,er) than Johnstone
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on January 30, 2020, 12:06:18 AM
I don't know whether to mount case for the defence or the prosecution here. On the one hand the calls for a change are way too early. Some posters seem to think that all our players are rubbish but also seem to hold the view that Bilic is incompetent it is unlikely that is true of a team that is even in the play-off spots.

My view is that this is one of the better squads in the division and were it not to make any sort of challenge for a promotion you could ask a legitimate question of the coach. I am not sure when a team's back up choice at left back became the litmus test of squad quality but from an earlier post Townsend seemed to be the living proof that the squad was somehow inadequate. The 2nd choice left backs of Championship clubs are a combination of callow youths gnarled old veterans and players who are barely household names in their own household and as such I wouldn't use ours as exhibit a in Bilic's defence.

Yet here we are in what can only be described as a slump in form. I can be sanguine and suggest that maybe the team ran a little hot across the first half of the season (as suggested by the evil ex-g numbers) and what we are currently experiencing is a regression to the mean.

If I were to look at Bilic's career maybe I could point out his time at West Ham where his teams ran hot for periods and then regressed quite sharply at some point and critically he was unable to arrest the slide. His sides have always given up soft goals and he is in the school of coaches that is we will score 1 more than you.

Maybe he doesn't have a plan "b" well I am going to let you into a secret most coaches don't their fundamental approach does not vary yes they tweak things to the extent the group of players they have allows them to but few will go through a 180 degree about face. Klopp to Pulis all have a basic style sometimes it evolves but it generally succeeds or fails because the squad they have marries up to that style template and critically the players buy into it which is the man management part of the job.

All coaches have their limitations and modern football seems to decree that Head Coaches have a limited shelf life. Yet there is value to sticking with a coach through a downswing something nobody does anymore. This is a hill I am prepared to die on Bilic can turn this around, I don't agree with every team selection I don't get everything he does but overall I would still prefer to have him in charge than not.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on January 30, 2020, 07:51:21 AM
Feel free ....Judging by your posts your desperate for some humour 😀

If my moms plays vs Luton I’d be more confident of a clean sheet (o,er) than Johnstone

Laughter is soup for the soul and things have been grim round here lately.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
I don't know whether to mount case for the defence or the prosecution here. On the one hand the calls for a change are way too early. Some posters seem to think that all our players are rubbish but also seem to hold the view that Bilic is incompetent it is unlikely that is true of a team that is even in the play-off spots.

My view is that this is one of the better squads in the division and were it not to make any sort of challenge for a promotion you could ask a legitimate question of the coach. I am not sure when a team's back up choice at left back became the litmus test of squad quality but from an earlier post Townsend seemed to be the living proof that the squad was somehow inadequate. The 2nd choice left backs of Championship clubs are a combination of callow youths gnarled old veterans and players who are barely household names in their own household and as such I wouldn't use ours as exhibit a in Bilic's defence.

Yet here we are in what can only be described as a slump in form. I can be sanguine and suggest that maybe the team ran a little hot across the first half of the season (as suggested by the evil ex-g numbers) and what we are currently experiencing is a regression to the mean.

If I were to look at Bilic's career maybe I could point out his time at West Ham where his teams ran hot for periods and then regressed quite sharply at some point and critically he was unable to arrest the slide. His sides have always given up soft goals and he is in the school of coaches that is we will score 1 more than you.

Maybe he doesn't have a plan "b" well I am going to let you into a secret most coaches don't their fundamental approach does not vary yes they tweak things to the extent the group of players they have allows them to but few will go through a 180 degree about face. Klopp to Pulis all have a basic style sometimes it evolves but it generally succeeds or fails because the squad they have marries up to that style template and critically the players buy into it which is the man management part of the job.

All coaches have their limitations and modern football seems to decree that Head Coaches have a limited shelf life. Yet there is value to sticking with a coach through a downswing something nobody does anymore. This is a hill I am prepared to die on Bilic can turn this around, I don't agree with every team selection I don't get everything he does but overall I would still prefer to have him in charge than not.


Absolutely nailed it.   Bilic is a breath of fresh air and we must back him.  No coach is perfect.  No coach doesn’t make mistakes.  If he was perfect then he wouldn’t be managing us!   

We are second in the table with 17 games left.  The top two go up.  That’s stating the obvious but many posters on SM seem to be forgetting it!  We have strengthened the squad this week and may well strengthen further before tomorrow night.  We are in a great position with Pereira and Diangana about to return.



Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on January 30, 2020, 08:34:44 AM
                  My mother

Furlong.      Semi.   Bartley/O’Shea.    Gibbs

Phillips.   Harper.  Pereira  Krov    Diangana

                       HRK / Austin

More than enough to win this league

That midfield won't win a single tackle all game.   You've still got Bartley in there, or if not the inexperienced O'Shea.
And Austin whose legs are going and HRK is, well, HRK.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2020, 08:51:47 AM
That midfield won't win a single tackle all game.   You've still got Bartley in there, or if not the inexperienced O'Shea.
And Austin whose legs are going and HRK is, well, HRK.

Agreed - that CM would be annihilated. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on January 30, 2020, 10:48:07 AM
.......if my moms plays vs Luton I’d be more confident of a clean sheet (o,er) than Johnstone

A very Bold statement there Zippy  ;D .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on January 30, 2020, 11:37:42 AM
Charisma and a love of the game isn't enough, he will know after WHam and that other short term gig he had (can't remember where) that if he can't turn this around this crisis (which becomes a full on disaster if we don't beat Luton) his future as a manager of any seriousness is probably over, he will be remembered as one of those great players who couldn't really make it as a manager.

Really can't see how Townsend didn't start at Cardiff, he would have been on a real high, and Phillips was shot again after 60 mins, he's not got the subs right recently.

We'd probably be better off morale and points wise now if we hadn't scraped a draw at Wigan and got a lucky pen at Preston, the "First XI" were looking very jaded even then, and those escapes probably persuaded him he didn't need to freshen things up, he could carry on with his favourites.

Do we have any defensive coaching going on?  Doesn't look like it, I'm all for the attacking setup but those were 2 more junior league goals against Cardiff, there doesn't seem to be any communication at all at the back, and Johnstone has surely run out of chances now, Al-Habsi would be a better bet if he doesn't fancy Bond.

Has he used the championship knowledge and experience of Brunt off the pitch?  He should have.  I wonder if he does the "my way or the highway" thing, however nicely?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on January 30, 2020, 12:40:32 PM
For me, Bilic and his coaching team need to work on
Stopping as many crosses coming into our box
Somehow ensure our centre backs other 'markers' at set pieces in particular defend aerial balls better
Somehow try to get Sam Johnstone to up his game or drop him (probably latter)

The above may come at the cost of a few goals at the other end at times but we simply aren't good enough up front/ going forward to rely on outscoring every team all season - the past six weeks have shown that. Hence we need to be much better defensively and compact when teams are attacking us on the break.

I really think we need a centre back/ leader in there to organise (somehow experienced and a bit mouthy)

This isn't easy of course but if Bilic is to achieve something at Albion I think the above are his biggest challenges. If he isn't a naturally defensive coach then perhaps he needs to get his Dicks out (!) and get another defensive and maybe keeper coach in to get a better tune out of us?

We'll get chances and create chances when our best players are fit but when they're not or not on form, we need to be able to dig out results by defending one goal leads. Jimmy Shan was very good at organisational coaching apparently.....wonder if Gmac is up for coaching!?

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 30, 2020, 09:24:24 PM

Absolutely nailed it.   Bilic is a breath of fresh air and we must back him.  No coach is perfect.  No coach doesn’t make mistakes.  If he was perfect then he wouldn’t be managing us!   

We are second in the table with 17 games left.  The top two go up.  That’s stating the obvious but many posters on SM seem to be forgetting it!  We have strengthened the squad this week and may well strengthen further before tomorrow night.  We are in a great position with Pereira and Diangana about to return.
I don’t want perfect, perfect goes to bigger clubs, I accept mistakes......but to continually overlook obvious issues and to persevere regardless...is negligent?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 30, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
That midfield won't win a single tackle all game.   You've still got Bartley in there, or if not the inexperienced O'Shea.
And Austin whose legs are going and HRK is, well, HRK.
I 5hink Bartley has been ok until hegazi moved him, O’Shea has also been good
The great thing about life is you don’t know until you know...and right now we need a change and a spark
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on January 31, 2020, 07:28:30 AM
We'll see how good a manager he is in the next two or three games.
Can he survive?
Again we'll see over the next few weeks
For me he could start by putting Ajai back on the right hand side and Bartley back on the left.
He has to move Johnstone out of the firing line.
Furlong back at right back and Townsend back at left.
Then he has enough new options in front of those with the new arrivals to liven it up a bit
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 31, 2020, 04:03:53 PM
We'll see how good a manager he is in the next two or three games.
Can he survive?
Again we'll see over the next few weeks
For me he could start by putting Ajai back on the right hand side and Bartley back on the left.
He has to move Johnstone out of the firing line.
Furlong back at right back and Townsend back at left.
Then he has enough new options in front of those with the new arrivals to liven it up a bit


For me, if he makes those changes, we'll soon get back on track.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2020, 11:24:33 PM
He's got a big squad to choose from now. Let's hope he can turn this terrible run of form around and get us up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 01, 2020, 09:54:06 AM
 Must win today if not I can see the season ending up like that one when Buckley was in charge when at one point we were second in the league and ended up mid table still have nightmares about that.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Wigmore on February 09, 2020, 04:54:41 PM
Must win today if not I can see the season ending up like that one when Buckley was in charge when at one point we were second in the league and ended up mid table still have nightmares about that.
Buckley, he ain't!
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11930215/bilic-we-were-terrific

Is this inspirational enough for the doubters?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on February 09, 2020, 05:47:11 PM
Buckley, he ain't!
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/11930215/bilic-we-were-terrific

Is this inspirational enough for the doubters?
Yes - I have had a few doubts recently, and put them on here, but if they won't play for him and the club after that they never will.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on February 09, 2020, 06:00:12 PM
Top marks for Slaven today, totally dominated a bogey team from start to finish. Two nil flattered them, well done lads keep up the good work BOING BOING.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on February 09, 2020, 06:03:14 PM
It was embarrassing that any fan would even have mentioned sacking him. Proper over the top pant wetting. Doing and done a great job.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on February 09, 2020, 07:39:26 PM
It was embarrassing that any fan would even have mentioned sacking him. Proper over the top pant wetting. Doing and done a great job.



Too many clowns on here that know nothing about football. The fact that the S word was even being mentioned about Bilic is embarrassing. Pathetic comments like “Moore got sacked for less”

Bilic is and has done an amazing job.

That clown Moore had the best front two in the league and still couldn’t get us in the top 2 and didn’t even appear in there from October onwards.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2020, 08:03:03 PM
Bilic was buzzing in his interview after the game, I would imagine the whole squad is, 10 wins and we will be promoted
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 09, 2020, 08:08:20 PM
A lot of games to come will be those "6 pointers" starting with Forest and Bristol City
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 09, 2020, 08:45:54 PM
Good managers can bounce back after negative runs. It helps he has options in those wide positions again which through competition for places brings out some great performances.

Hopefully he got his midas touch back. Role on reading game
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2020, 08:50:40 PM
I can’t help but think Slav was feeling some pressure for him to be so effusive, it’s great to see that passion, long may it continue
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mikkyk on February 09, 2020, 11:34:10 PM
Big shout out to Bilic today, cause we have had many a manager where going to Millwall in terrible conditions would've meant only one thing, a loss. But we played the conditions well and the team stood up to the test they had.

I said on a separate thread if we didn't sign anyone we'd struggle for playoffs but 2 or 3 signings and I had us top two. I stand by that, I think Bilic has signed players in the right positions and although I still doubt the signings we've made will be any good in PL, I think they'll get us up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on February 09, 2020, 11:43:42 PM
Big shout out to Bilic today, cause we have had many a manager where going to Millwall in terrible conditions would've meant only one thing, a loss. But we played the conditions well and the team stood up to the test they had.

I said on a separate thread if we didn't sign anyone we'd struggle for playoffs but 2 or 3 signings and I had us top two. I stand by that, I think Bilic has signed players in the right positions and although I still doubt the signings we've made will be any good in PL, I think they'll get us up.
first job is get promoted then we will worry about prem :P
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: chipperclark on February 10, 2020, 03:50:54 AM
 ;D Yes we did well in those terrible conditions and I thought the players from Millwall were outplayed at their own game.

Full marks to Slavens' team plan for this game our boys were up for it.  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 10, 2020, 06:48:48 AM
Big shout out to Bilic today, cause we have had many a manager where going to Millwall in terrible conditions would've meant only one thing, a loss. But we played the conditions well and the team stood up to the test they had.

I said on a separate thread if we didn't sign anyone we'd struggle for playoffs but 2 or 3 signings and I had us top two. I stand by that, I think Bilic has signed players in the right positions and although I still doubt the signings we've made will be any good in PL, I think they'll get us up.

I agree with that, he is clearly a one system manager who knows his system very well and early signs are he has strengthened in the right places. How such a system in the prem would fair with this level of players is a different question entirely, but he struggled to get the quality required at west ham.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on February 10, 2020, 11:39:13 AM
Pleased for him but one win against a side that didn’t turn up doesn’t answer all the questions.

Bond
Harper
Hegazi
Austin
Grozicki
Phillips
Furlong

That bench would finish in the play offs with a few average players around it. Bilic needs to prove himself now over 14 games, not one.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: jimmyj on February 10, 2020, 02:36:31 PM
Big shout out to Bilic today, cause we have had many a manager where going to Millwall in terrible conditions would've meant only one thing, a loss. But we played the conditions well and the team stood up to the test they had.

I said on a separate thread if we didn't sign anyone we'd struggle for playoffs but 2 or 3 signings and I had us top two. I stand by that, I think Bilic has signed players in the right positions and although I still doubt the signings we've made will be any good in PL, I think they'll get us up.

They're clearly not meant to.
Robinson is going back to Sheffield at the end of the season. Wilder has said that he's not here for a move, he's here to gain/maintain sharpness.
Grosicki is an 18 month contract. He'll do his job to get us up, then will be a bench option in the prem.
Peltier's contract is simply until the end of the season (unless I read it wrong), so I fully expect him to see that out, make a few cameo appearances when needed, then move on.

Its kind of a nice arrangement for both eventualities, or promotion or staying where we are.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on February 11, 2020, 01:44:46 AM
Superb post match interview. If I played for a Slaven Bilic team I'd run through brick walls for him. If I could still run that is. And so long as the bricks were made from mud and straw of course. COYB.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SirTonyM on February 11, 2020, 02:40:56 AM
Pleased for him but one win against a side that didn’t turn up doesn’t answer all the questions.

Bond
Harper
Hegazi
Austin
Grozicki
Phillips
Furlong

That bench would finish in the play offs with a few average players around it. Bilic needs to prove himself now over 14 games, not one.

Hasn’t he proved himself over 31 games so far?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 11, 2020, 04:22:57 AM
They're clearly not meant to.
Robinson is going back to Sheffield at the end of the season. Wilder has said that he's not here for a move, he's here to gain/maintain sharpness.
Grosicki is an 18 month contract. He'll do his job to get us up, then will be a bench option in the prem.
Peltier's contract is simply until the end of the season (unless I read it wrong), so I fully expect him to see that out, make a few cameo appearances when needed, then move on.

Its kind of a nice arrangement for both eventualities, or promotion or staying where we are.

Well, he would say that, otherwise he would have to say, not proven to be good enough, the move is to hope he improves, give him game time, anyone loaned out has transfer possibilities, remember, we tried to sign Lukaku.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on February 11, 2020, 08:36:44 AM
Hasn’t he proved himself over 31 games so far?

No he hasn’t.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 11, 2020, 08:39:07 AM
Hasn’t he proved himself over 31 games so far?

A third of those games, show he has no plan b when key players are out injured.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on February 11, 2020, 08:46:07 AM
Why are some people on here having a go at SB?
 Do some expect perfection over a season?
He's only lost 4/31 and got us into 5th round!
Were top of the league 4 points clear with 14 league matches to go.
We all would have been happy with this at the beginning of this season.
Brilliant work by all at WBA.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on February 11, 2020, 08:51:51 AM
Why are some people on here having a go at SB?
 Do some expect perfection over a season?
He's only lost 4/31 and got us into 5th round!
Were top of the league 4 points clear with 14 league matches to go.
We all would have been happy with this at the beginning of this season.
Brilliant work by all at WBA.
He deserved criticism, during the bad run, but he has addressed that now with a scrappy home win and an away masterclass. For me he has answered the questions that were rightly being thrown at him and we can now, collectively, kick on for the last 14 league games and enjoy whatever comes of the cup run.
His mood after the Milwall game was, I think, tinged with more than a bit of relief, but the pride he took from the performance was a joy to behold and I for one am back on the Bilic bandwagon! (For now that is, I'm very fickle  ;))
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 11, 2020, 08:55:27 AM
Why are some people on here having a go at SB?
 Do some expect perfection over a season?
He's only lost 4/31 and got us into 5th round!
Were top of the league 4 points clear with 14 league matches to go.
We all would have been happy with this at the beginning of this season.
Brilliant work by all at WBA.

I don't see any comments suggesting we Are not happy since his last two league wins. It's a results driven business. There are still questions to be answered after beating two very poor team's on the day. Put in decent performances on the next two and I will join the happy clapper wagon again!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 11, 2020, 09:00:54 AM
It was embarrassing that any fan would even have mentioned sacking him. Proper over the top pant wetting. Doing and done a great job.

We hadn't won in the league between the 15th of December and the 1st of February - that's a large number of games, and a big points lead was eroded to little or nothing.

We win two games - one unconvincingly, one convincingly - and any talk of sacking was 'over the top pant wetting'. There were questions to be asked about that run of form, and people were doing so. We've seen managers in the recent past who couldn't turn it around when things started going sour - Di Matteo, Clarke, Pulis, Moore - that the idea he might not be able to bring us out of it wasn't far from peoples minds.

One swallow does not make a summer, and we have still lost the big lead we have. One more bad week and we're back in the play-offs. I think there were questions there to be asked.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aussie Baggie on February 11, 2020, 09:12:17 AM
I think it’s fair for us to ask questions during our slump and also during the last two games.

And if you engaged Slav in conversation about this he would probably welcome it and enjoy it.

But I am glad he is our head coach, I think we’ve made some good additions in the window and we’re back on track to make the top two.

A lot of work still to be done though.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 11, 2020, 09:14:12 AM
A third of those games, show he has no plan b when key players are out injured.

Since the injuries to Diangana and Gibbs and with Pereira missing we lost 3 games. We've only lost 4 all season. Most of our draws have been gained from losing positions.
I can only think of Charlton home and away, Leeds at home and Barnsley away where we were leading and got pegged back. In fact we've gained the most points from a losing position of any side in the division which would suggest to me that we have a plan B.

I would say that the performances since we beat Swansea have mostly been below standard, especially the home games against Stoke and Boro but I thought we were good against Leeds and even Charlton and Barnsley away we did enough to win the games but we just got sloppy in defence. We controlled the Luton game too.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 11, 2020, 09:18:18 AM
We had a blip...we are top of the league with a worse squad than the one we had last season. I questioned his team selection against Luton and Millwall and we won both games comfortably. I do not think he deserves too much questioning currently. When we appointed Slav, did anyone really think we would be in this position after 31 games? I was hopeful of the play offs, nothing more.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aussie Baggie on February 11, 2020, 09:25:40 AM
We had a blip...we are top of the league with a worse squad than the one we had last season. I questioned his team selection against Luton and Millwall and we won both games comfortably. I do not think he deserves too much questioning currently. When we appointed Slav, did anyone really think we would be in this position after 31 games? I was hopeful of the play offs, nothing more.

You think our squad is worse than last season? Wow.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Astleistheking on February 11, 2020, 09:43:07 AM
I think it’s fair for us to ask questions during our slump and also during the last two games.

And if you engaged Slav in conversation about this he would probably welcome it and enjoy it.

But I am glad he is our head coach, I think we’ve made some good additions in the window and we’re back on track to make the top two.

A lot of work still to be done though.

I think that its fair to ask questions when the performance drops off as long as its measured and not over the top.
Conversley, ive seen quite a few references where people claim others were calling for Billic to go. I haven't seen that at all and reckon its people who like to think of themselves as superfans mischaracterizing those who asked legitimate questions.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2020, 09:49:09 AM
It's fair to say the large points gap has been eroded but we should remember it was Slav who got us that large points gap in the first place - so he deservers a lot of time to show what he can do.    And it's been blatently obvious that our loss of form has coincided with a congested fixture list, injuries and suspensions.  When was the last time we had Periera, Diangana and Gibbs all in the same side for 90 mins?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2020, 10:10:17 AM
Of course its fair to ask questions, BUT,

4 points clear at top of the league
5th round of the cup
Attractive, attacking football
Dangana / Gibbs  to come back still
Potential bench of Austin / Grosicki / Phillips / Krovinic / Hegazi / Furlong
Kids coming through, back from injury, Before anyone asks Edwards / Ferguson / O'shea / Feild / Leko

now really isn't the time for questioning, is it ?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 11, 2020, 10:24:46 AM
You think our squad is worse than last season? Wow.

Johnstone

Holgate   Dawson   Hegazi   Gibbs

Phillips   Livermore   Barry

Gayle   Rodriguez   Barnes

Two of those players, Holgate and Barnes, are now being spoken about as potentially being in the England squad for the upcoming games ahead of the Euros such is how good they have been this season...

Sawyers for Barry is about the only position I would say we are now 'stronger.' You could also argue the toss between Dawson and Ajayi. How we did not get promoted with that side, well...you all know my opinions on that one.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on February 11, 2020, 10:31:34 AM
We now have the strongest squad in the league imo. He could put out a good championship team beyond those that didn't start at Millwall.

Bond
Furlong
Gibbs
Peltier
Hegazi
Harper
Barry
Brunt
Phillips
Grosiki
Austin
Zohore
Edwards
Diangana

That's some squad depth when added to the 11 that started at Millwall and would be a big disappointment if we didn't go up.
The club as rightly backed a good manager and he should deliver with this group of players.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 11, 2020, 10:39:52 AM
We are certainly much better equipped now we have added a couple of wingers. Bear in mind that before the end of the window, Bilic had a misfiring Phillips and Edwards as his only wing options.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2020, 10:53:40 AM
I maintain any selection we made would have beaten Luton, they are well out of their depth with a clueless manager.


I also don't think Millwall turned up/adapted to the weather on Sunday.


Forest is the big one for me, not so much the result, as the need for a big performance at home against a half decent side. We need to be on the front foot but also look solid. I'm not convinced that any win won't just be our attacking mids dragging us out of the ****.


Before this we go to Reading tomorrow, we need to follow up Sunday with points there too, if we lose tomorrow night any feel good factor will be gone and The Shrine will be a very nervy place at the weekend.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on February 13, 2020, 12:36:59 PM
Great quote when asked if Bartley had explained himself about the handball:

"No, because he can’t explain himself!"

Tell it the way it is.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on February 13, 2020, 12:51:52 PM
Slaven definitely got his mojo back, with that tweak in the middle of park onwards and upwards  :P
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 13, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Our upturn in form shows how we were too reliant on Diangana. When he was out the cutting edge was gone. Robinson and Grosicki have addressed this. Bilic has to be given credit for identifying this and doing something about it. We really need Gibbs though for the remainder of the season. He will make a big difference.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 13, 2020, 01:22:27 PM
I just hope those who were calling for his head two weeks ago have learned from their foolishness.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on February 13, 2020, 01:24:06 PM
I just hope those who were calling for his head two weeks ago have learned from their foolishness.
Those actually calling for his head were very much the minority. Many more were calling for a change in system, which we have now got and viola.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on February 13, 2020, 01:56:01 PM
Not sure who called for Slav's head but it's fair to say he was facing a big challenge to turn our form around and to keep it going. He'll get a final score at the end of the season but we have to give him 10/ 10 overall so far this season !!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: timdon on February 13, 2020, 02:02:11 PM
Those actually calling for his head were very much the minority. Many more were calling for a change in system, which we have now got and viola.
I see what you did there. Very clever. Slaven orchestrated the changes and now we are much improved.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on February 13, 2020, 02:49:09 PM
I see what you did there. Very clever. Slaven orchestrated the changes and now we are much improved.
Much as I'd love to blow my own trumpet, you've got me, French was never my strong point.  :D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on February 13, 2020, 03:20:08 PM
Much as I'd love to blow my own trumpet, you've got me, French was never my strong point.  :D

Fiddly dee, you cornet help yourself can you?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie53 on February 13, 2020, 04:48:55 PM
Much as I'd love to blow my own trumpet, you've got me, French was never my strong point.  :D
I could tell because the word is actually Voila not Viola
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 13, 2020, 04:54:21 PM
I could tell because the word is actually Voila not Viola

Fiddling away over spelling ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2020, 04:58:22 PM
I just hope those who were calling for his head two weeks ago have learned from their foolishness.

Not at all. Questions should of been asked due to a poor run of form. What we have learnt he is unable to adapt his style of play (Pulis ball for a few games?) when key players are out. Playing this system in the prem is going to require a massive overhaul to our squad as its clear he wont/cant play any other style which leaves us vulnerable to conceding every game and means we rely on pinning teams back with attacking flair. Who in the prem is going to be looking at Kanu, Kos, Phillips, Robinson, Austin with fear? Even Perira is untested at that level.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very much enjoying the style of play and winning games, but some big questions have been answered over his inability to change our style of play.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on February 13, 2020, 05:46:10 PM
Not at all. Questions should of been asked due to a poor run of form. What we have learnt he is unable to adapt his style of play (Pulis ball for a few games?) when key players are out. Playing this system in the prem is going to require a massive overhaul to our squad as its clear he wont/cant play any other style which leaves us vulnerable to conceding every game and means we rely on pinning teams back with attacking flair. Who in the prem is going to be looking at Kanu, Kos, Phillips, Robinson, Austin with fear? Even Perira is untested at that level.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very much enjoying the style of play and winning games, but some big questions have been answered over his inability to change our style of play.
We've won 3 on the trot are now 6 points clear at the top of the league, but you seem unhappy with Billic's game management. I don't know what you want.  Billic has an attacking style, others like Mourinho, Pulis favour a more defensive style. I know which I prefer watching.
Of course, the players will be more tested against Premier league opposition. Goes without saying. At the moment Billic can only beat what's in front of him.  With promotion, you'd hope that he would be able to attract some extra quality to add to what we already have.
As far as his in-game management goes, I think he is quick to make substiutions when they are needed, and his post match analysis is usually spot on.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on February 13, 2020, 06:17:24 PM
Not at all. Questions should of been asked due to a poor run of form. What we have learnt he is unable to adapt his style of play (Pulis ball for a few games?) when key players are out. Playing this system in the prem is going to require a massive overhaul to our squad as its clear he wont/cant play any other style which leaves us vulnerable to conceding every game and means we rely on pinning teams back with attacking flair. Who in the prem is going to be looking at Kanu, Kos, Phillips, Robinson, Austin with fear? Even Perira is untested at that level.

Don't get me wrong, I'm very much enjoying the style of play and winning games, but some big questions have been answered over his inability to change our style of play.

The point is that Bilic or any other coach isn't going through 180 degree about face. Coaches are generally of a type from the attacking to the ultra defensive. There are variations on the theme but Bilic ain't doing Pulisball. What is the point if that's what you want then go get Pulis.

He is not going to go Pulisball or a somewhat less neo brutalist version like Moyes or Hodgson in the Premier League. Bilic believes in attacking football if we are defending in numbers it is because the team we are playing is forcing us to do it  is not the game plan
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on February 13, 2020, 06:48:01 PM
"Fans" who have criticised Slaven this season need a head wobble. He's been outstanding. His signings and coaching have resulted in us playing coherent quality football. We went on a mentally amazing good run, then suffered with injuries, luck and the number of games over the New Year, now were picking up again. Top of the league, been fantastic so far. The posts from a couple of weeks back on him are nothing short than pant wetting and embarrassing. Sort of stuff I'd expect from teenagers addicted to their playstation.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on February 13, 2020, 07:07:15 PM
Our upturn in form shows how we were too reliant on Diangana. When he was out the cutting edge was gone. Robinson and Grosicki have addressed this. Bilic has to be given credit for identifying this and doing something about it. We really need Gibbs though for the remainder of the season. He will make a big difference.


He's got to take the shirt off Townsend back first, has it stands he will have a wait.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on February 13, 2020, 07:14:58 PM
How many weeks have we played this season so far?
How many weeks at the top?
Or top 2 position?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 13, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
"Fans" who have criticised Slaven this season need a head wobble. He's been outstanding. His signings and coaching have resulted in us playing coherent quality football. We went on a mentally amazing good run, then suffered with injuries, luck and the number of games over the New Year, now were picking up again. Top of the league, been fantastic so far. The posts from a couple of weeks back on him are nothing short than pant wetting and embarrassing. Sort of stuff I'd expect from teenagers addicted to their playstation.
Fans who use the term “head wobble” need to respect the thoughts of others with more dignity and maturity.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on February 13, 2020, 08:32:59 PM
I’ve been critical of Bilic and I still have reservations but I didn’t call for him to be sacked and I didn’t see many that did.

Questions were rightly asked and none of the excuses such as injuries or the fixtures washed for me.

It’s great we’ve managed to turn a corner for now though and I hope Bilic goes on to do great things with us. Bigger tests  to come with Forrest and Bristol but cant knock 3 wins in 3.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on February 13, 2020, 08:44:58 PM
Some are calling for perfection,were top of the league ffs.
Its not possible to get so much better is it?
If we were winning every game would that stop these " perfectionists" among us?
How perfect are they at their own jobs eh?
Nobody is perfect,beauty is in the eye of the beholder lads.
From Pulis to now is more than perfect for me thanks,its great football to watch,criticise if your in bottom 3 but not when were top,crikey.
Slaven gets it, I'm happy.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TiptonThrostle on February 13, 2020, 08:48:14 PM
Fans who use the term “head wobble” need to respect the thoughts of others with more dignity and maturity.


No the people who need the head wobble know nothing about football. Probably the same people saying it was a joke to sack Moore. Look where we are now?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tylerm on February 13, 2020, 08:56:35 PM

No the people who need the head wobble know nothing about football. Probably the same people saying it was a joke to sack Moore. Look where we are now?

I agree. Some wanted Jimmy Shan appointed full time.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on February 13, 2020, 09:17:22 PM
Never thought Moore should have been given the job but he was, is there any need to call him a clown?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 13, 2020, 09:36:24 PM

No the people who need the head wobble know nothing about football. Probably the same people saying it was a joke to sack Moore. Look where we are now?
There’s nothing wrong with opinions, but just because people have differing ones doesn’t mean we have to start name calling...throwing insults and speakeking louder does not make people correct.

On the subject of Bilić ....every single person on the staff, players, manager , directors are all at the risk of critic...I don’t recall seeing much call to get rid, I do recall people (including myself) questioning some of the decisions,...I stand by everything I highlighted or questioned ....the fact that players, tactics, transfers were altered and introduced would actually show that there was a need for some change and usually change comes when mistakes have been made .
I’m an Albion fan, I want us to do well , I wish nothing but the very best to all of the Albion family, but my opinion is just as valid as the next man .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2020, 09:37:01 PM

No the people who need the head wobble know nothing about football. Probably the same people saying it was a joke to sack Moore. Look where we are now?

Still playing 4-3-3 ( last few games) and couple of positions below where we are now. If we found a suitable replacement for Barnes last season we would not be in this league. Same as Billic finding some decent players to replace Diangana has turned our season slump around.

It's a result driven business and Bilic was failing to deliver results. To suggest his above crtisiam because his not Darren Moore is laughable.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on February 13, 2020, 09:45:01 PM
He's lost 4 games all season mate,and into the 5 th round,what more do you want?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2020, 09:48:36 PM
He's lost 4 games all season mate,and into the 5 th round,what more do you want?

Not a lot I'm enjoying our recent turn around. You?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 13, 2020, 09:53:46 PM
Nobody above criticism and billic took what he deserved during our blip. However he has recruited well the football we play is outrageous at times. He also turned a blip round sign of a good manager. Can he do the same in the next tier up I for one am interested to see.

If we get promoted we probably need to extend his contract he only has a 2 year deal doesnt he?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2020, 09:59:04 PM
Nobody above criticism and billic took what he deserved during our blip. However he has recruited well the football we play is outrageous at times. He also turned a blip round sign of a good manager. Can he do the same in the next tier up I for one am interested to see.

If we get promoted we probably need to extend his contract he only has a 2 year deal doesnt he?

Absolutely this. Next season will be very interesting.

Personally I think he will get us promoted now he has turned this blip around and made some decent signings.

BUT I'm worried these players will not cope in the prem with this system and he has not shown any inclination to change the system. Which cost him his job a West Ham.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on February 13, 2020, 10:36:24 PM
He's lost 4 games all season mate,and into the 5 th round,what more do you want?

Perfectly sums up how insane it is for any of our fans to be pointing any criticism at him. Just look back at this thread from a couple of week pre Luton. It’s embarrassing.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2020, 10:40:19 PM
Absolutely this. Next season will be very interesting.

Personally I think he will get us promoted now he has turned this blip around and made some decent signings.

BUT I'm worried these players will not cope in the prem with this system and he has not shown any inclination to change the system. Which cost him his job a West Ham.


He'll need 6 new starters. Down to Dowling et al.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 13, 2020, 11:19:15 PM
Perfectly sums up how insane it is for any of our fans to be pointing any criticism at him. Just look back at this thread from a couple of week pre Luton. It’s embarrassing.
There is a clear difference between pointing criticism and raising fair points.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 13, 2020, 11:29:35 PM
"Fans" who have criticised Slaven this season need a head wobble. He's been outstanding. His signings and coaching have resulted in us playing coherent quality football. We went on a mentally amazing good run, then suffered with injuries, luck and the number of games over the New Year, now were picking up again. Top of the league, been fantastic so far. The posts from a couple of weeks back on him are nothing short than pant wetting and embarrassing. Sort of stuff I'd expect from teenagers addicted to their playstation.

I carefully chose the word foolishness to describe the actions of calling for the head of Bilic, because that is what it was, it was embarrassing, it was nonsense. After what our club has gone through in the last four years, his ability to turn the club into an entertaining and winning one is wonderful to see, a grimace has been replaced by a grin of those walking up to the shrine on match days, don't undervalue that.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2020, 11:39:37 PM
Pretty sure only 2 posters said he should be sacked. It's not up for debate he's doing a great job, but is he perfect? No.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KingKoren on February 13, 2020, 11:47:40 PM
We went 7 games without a league win, if that doesn't merit criticism I don't know what does. We weren't injury ravaged, we didn't have a really tough run of games. We finally won playing at home to the worst team in the league after a good transfer window.  Bilic has obviously done a great job this season but noone is above criticism.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 13, 2020, 11:51:33 PM
Some good posts in this thread. Shame they’ve been removed due to swearing

Can we please start abiding by this?

 http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=24205.0

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 14, 2020, 06:37:52 AM
We went 7 games without a league win, if that doesn't merit criticism I don't know what does. We weren't injury ravaged, we didn't have a really tough run of games. We finally won playing at home to the worst team in the league after a good transfer window.  Bilic has obviously done a great job this season but noone is above criticism.

But criticism is only due when there is negligence, making the odd team selection error should be understood because we all make mistakes don't we? Bilic has made far more great team call than selection errors, if indeed they were errors, as the thing we never really know is the stuff behind the scenes, minor illness, family upsets, training ground arguments,etc, why should we, team selection including substitutions, is the managers responsibility, its only revealed one hour before kick off for several obvious reasons.
Whilst its okay to suggest we should play an alternative player, its foolish to criticise player selection and team performance levels using phrases like 'lost the dressing room" and suggesting Bilic's removal.
Lets not beat about the bush, Bilic is the best manager we have had since Hodgson, he is not perfect (neither is Hodgson who was often criticised for his pragmatism), we should be backing him 100% because he is a breath of fresh air and when we criticise him, show some respect for what he has done for us delivering an entertaining and attacking team that on the whole, are a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on February 14, 2020, 08:43:50 AM
Coaches make mistakes and as such draw criticism which is fair enough. Winning always mutes criticism whereas losing amplifiies it five fold.

 In general  my view is that too much of the burden of blame rests on the Head Coach's head. Plainly during the season the only thing a club can do to arrest a downturn in form is change the Head Coach, it is the only lever they have so it should be no surprise that clubs desperate to maintain or regain a league status pull that lever. Yet in many cases clubs cycle through coaches  sometimes at an alarming rate without really moving the dial.

The plain fact is football is a game which is subject to a huge degree of variance and no coach can ride the wave forever nor can they out perform the talent they have available over the long term. That is not to say coaches do not have an impact they dictate the style of play and work with players to make them better (this is the thing that does move the dial) although that process is neither instant nor does it always move in a straight line (players improve but in some instances also regress after an initial bounce)

Okay this is long winded of saying calling for a coach's dismissal on the back of a 7 game streak is bonkers particularly if that coach has a track record of success prior to that streak. In the Championship which is crazily competitive most teams will have a 7 game streak where they look like play-off contenders at least and one where they look more like relegation fodder. It is no surprise that Championship clubs turnover of managers is as brutal as it is.

Yet sticking with a coach does have a benefit if they are a good coach giving them a chance to work with a group of players reaps rewards in continuity we have seen this with Wilder, Farke and Frank all of whom have endured a poor 7 game streak. Bilic is a good coach he has earned the right to not be chased out of a club at the first sign of a downswing and the club might benefit from starting and finishing a season with the same Head Coach.



Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on February 14, 2020, 09:21:10 AM
But criticism is only due when there is negligence, making the odd team selection error should be understood because we all make mistakes don't we? Bilic has made far more great team call than selection errors, if indeed they were errors, as the thing we never really know is the stuff behind the scenes, minor illness, family upsets, training ground arguments,etc, why should we, team selection including substitutions, is the managers responsibility, its only revealed one hour before kick off for several obvious reasons.
Whilst its okay to suggest we should play an alternative player, its foolish to criticise player selection and team performance levels using phrases like 'lost the dressing room" and suggesting Bilic's removal.
Lets not beat about the bush, Bilic is the best manager we have had since Hodgson, he is not perfect (neither is Hodgson who was often criticised for his pragmatism), we should be backing him 100% because he is a breath of fresh air and when we criticise him, show some respect for what he has done for us delivering an entertaining and attacking team that on the whole, are a joy to watch.
Does this mean, in your eyes, he has a job for life?
Sorry but it's absolute folly to suggest he is above criticism. What if we had lost the last 3, instead of won? We would now be sitting in 6th.
It's all well and good using hindsight, now that he has turned us around, but it is just that, hindsight. We had a bad run which warranted criticism, but, most of that criticism was to do with tactics, personnel, formation etc. which people who have been watching football for 30-40 years are more than capable of discussing, by the way, very little of it was actually suggesting Bilic should be sacked. As it turned out, he did what a lot were suggesting and tweaked the formation, freshened up the squad and it has worked.
Personally, I hope he is here for the long haul and creates a genuine legacy, because I really admire the man, but, make no bones about it, it is a results business and that will, ultimately, decide his fate, one way or the other. Continued success will mean he moves on to bigger things, failure will see him sacked.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on February 14, 2020, 09:30:57 AM
You don't think our downturn in form coincided with losing Diangana and Gibbs for extended periods?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on February 14, 2020, 09:47:12 AM
You don't think our downturn in form coincided with losing Diangana and Gibbs for extended periods?
Of course it did mate but that wouldn't have made any difference had the winless run continued.
Neither have played in the last 3, so the answer was always there, it just took a while, and a new signing to find it.
I never said he should have been sacked but, if he hadn't turned it around, he would have, that's football. Thankfully, he re-discovered the magic and we can all move on, hopefully to the title. Even then though, if I think he gets things wrong, I will be critical. As a fan of 40+ years, I have earned that right.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 14, 2020, 10:38:05 AM
You don't think our downturn in form coincided with losing Diangana and Gibbs for extended periods?

I didn't say he was beyond criticism, I said he should not be criticised unless his performance as a manager was negligent, clearly, too any fair minded person, it wasn't.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on February 14, 2020, 10:48:13 AM
I didn't say he was beyond criticism, I said he should not be criticised unless his performance as a manager was negligent, clearly, too any fair minded person, it wasn't.
So, if a manager loses 20 games in a row but, in your mind is not negligent during that time, but merely a victim of circumstance, he should just be allowed to continue without being criticised?
I don't believe that to be fair minded.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: NJS on February 14, 2020, 11:07:36 AM
What I like about Bilic is that he reacts to how the game is going and  makes changes  - often they work but at least he has ideas.
We've had a coach whose Neolithic tactics produced a very defensive game which was unattractive to those watching and to those thinking about playing for the club.  We've had a coach who seemed paralysed by indecision and who only made substitutions upon an injury or too late to have an effect.  In my opinion Bilic suffers from neither of those faults and I think he should be allowed to get on with it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 14, 2020, 11:14:09 AM
What I like about Bilic is that he reacts to how the game is going and  makes changes  - often they work but at least he has ideas.
We've had a coach whose Neolithic tactics produced a very defensive game which was unattractive to those watching and to those thinking about playing for the club.  We've had a coach who seemed paralysed by indecision and who only made substitutions upon an injury or too late to have an effect.  In my opinion Bilic suffers from neither of those faults and I think he should be allowed to get on with it.
Pep, Mourinho,Klopp.....all still get criticism from time to time
There is no perfection, this is football.
Just because Bilić is better than others in your opinion does not mean that everybody should shut up and not speak if they feel they see something that doesn’t look right.
Btw when you see he reacts .....didn’t react to well at Barnsley when we were desperate for width.....he put Barry on and left Phillips and Edwards on the bench.....
I like billic, but let’s not pretend he is not human.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on February 14, 2020, 11:21:26 AM
20 games in a row is quite excessive.  But, for example, if your squad comes down with a flu bug and you end up with half the squad out injured or suspended.  Do you blame the manager now he's had to resort to playing the U18's?  Sometimes the manager can do everything and you end up just waiting for your better players to come back.

For me, this run of bad form we had was down to a few things.  The fixture congestion over Christmas and the tiredness, the injuries and suspensions and the lack of a quality forward. 

It's not like Bilic was setting us up entirely wrong, and for the most part people agreed with the majority of the players picked.  He tried bringing Hegazi back in, and that didn't work so he took him back out.  We've had to persist with Townsend and O'Shea, who wouldn't be my first choice.  Biggest criticism you could aim is probably that we stuck with SJ in goal, but he's not been that awful lately.  What other line ups should have tried that would have fixed any perceived problems? 

It's not that he shouldn't be criticised at all, but that there were clear circumstances which were obviously going to affect the performance of the team. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on February 14, 2020, 12:25:47 PM
Progress not perfection is what we seek.
Quite profound from me that is.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on February 14, 2020, 02:40:01 PM

For me, this run of bad form we had was down to a few things.  The fixture congestion over Christmas and the tiredness, the injuries and suspensions and the lack of a quality forward. 


Lack of a quality forward is the only one of the above I personally agree with. A decent forward may just have won us a game on his own and kick started out season. Maybe Austin could have done that though.

The rest i'm afraid didn't justify the run of form. Fixture congestion (and tiredness) are generally the same for everyone, so why get dispensation for that?

The same could be said of suspensions and injuries to a degree unless you have a particularly hard time of it (which we didnt). We had missed Gibbs for a decent stretch anyway and as for Diangana, if Bilic's ability as a manager is so reliant on him we really should be asking questions.

Suspensions - Pereira only missed one game of the poor spell I believe?

My reservations on Bilic are around his ability to organise a defence, and how well we will be able to perform when he doesn't have a vastly superior squad (which against 85% of the teams we will play this season)

Everyone wants him to succeed and only very few called for the chop but lets see how the next three games go before he is back to being untouchable.



Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on February 14, 2020, 02:57:01 PM
I questioned the way he didn't seem to use the squad especially well during congested December, and I still think that a bit, but he stuck to his guns, brought in the right reinforcements and we have had the rub of the green back on our side - Luton's non-penalty for example- where we weren't getting it during the bad run.  Nowhere near job done though, I'm not even looking at threads with names like "who goes up with us" and "what position will we finish" etc etc, I'd take 2nd on GD with 80 points right now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: miggybaggy on February 14, 2020, 03:28:19 PM
When you think back to the black days of Pulis what Slav has done is, for me, nothing short of  miraculous. Would anyone have dared dream of being top of the league and six points clear this time last year? And playing some really exciting stuff?

The bloke has, quite simply, repaired my love for all things Baggies!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on February 14, 2020, 03:46:25 PM
When you think back to the black days of Pulis what Slav has done is, for me, nothing short of  miraculous. Would anyone have dared dream of being top of the league and six points clear this time last year? And playing some really exciting stuff?

The bloke has, quite simply, repaired my love for all things Baggies!

Well said. He's been outstanding.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on February 14, 2020, 04:06:13 PM
I think that people are right to question team selection and tactics when things aren't going right however Bilic has done a fantastic job this season so far. Talk of him getting the sack a couple of weeks ago was unbelievable. I don't recall people questioning Mowbray during the Championship winning season despite the fact that we lost 11 games along the way.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 14, 2020, 06:36:34 PM
What I like about Bilic is that he reacts to how the game is going and  makes changes  - often they work but at least he has ideas.
We've had a coach whose Neolithic tactics produced a very defensive game which was unattractive to those watching and to those thinking about playing for the club.  We've had a coach who seemed paralysed by indecision and who only made substitutions upon an injury or too late to have an effect.  In my opinion Bilic suffers from neither of those faults and I think he should be allowed to get on with it.

This made me laugh. "Neolithic" haha

But spot on
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on February 15, 2020, 03:21:58 PM
Bilic needs to sort out that defence and its time changes are made keeper who is rooted to the spot on every cross needs a rollicking or dropping, Bartley is having a mare every game of late.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: adamw1109 on February 17, 2020, 12:31:10 AM
Bilic needs to sort out that defence and its time changes are made keeper who is rooted to the spot on every cross needs a rollicking or dropping, Bartley is having a mare every game of late.

Dropping for who? Please don't suggest bond... there is a reason he is now about 26/27 and still a back up keeper, there is a reason he has spent his career getting loaned out and a reason he was free.

The way some people go on about dropping Johnstone, they must think Bilic is somehow going to get the next Neuer plucked out the academy!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 17, 2020, 04:48:52 AM
Dropping for who? Please don't suggest bond... there is a reason he is now about 26/27 and still a back up keeper, there is a reason he has spent his career getting loaned out and a reason he was free.

The way some people go on about dropping Johnstone, they must think Bilic is somehow going to get the next Neuer plucked out the academy!
Good post. If Sam Johnstone visits this forum, and social media, then he must feel totally alienated from the clubs supporters.
Some on here are looking to single out individuals for criticism, in every single game we play.Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but bitter and unrelenting criticism of any player, is not welcome. Hopefully the players concerned will realise that there are over 20,000 of us at every home game and good numbers at every away game, the majority of whom will be fair in their assessment of the teams performance.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2020, 09:53:50 AM
Dropping for who? Please don't suggest bond... there is a reason he is now about 26/27 and still a back up keeper, there is a reason he has spent his career getting loaned out and a reason he was free.

The way some people go on about dropping Johnstone, they must think Bilic is somehow going to get the next Neuer plucked out the academy!

 ikeep asking and no-one answers, What the hell is Al Habsi doing???  What are we paying for??
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on February 17, 2020, 10:56:54 AM
ikeep asking and no-one answers, What the hell is Al Habsi doing???  What are we paying for??
That had occurred to me too, but I guess he's just backup backup.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mikkyk on February 17, 2020, 01:05:10 PM
That had occurred to me too, but I guess he's just backup backup.

A backup backup goalkeeper for me should be a youth player. Bilic must really not rate the kids he has available.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on February 17, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
A backup backup goalkeeper for me should be a youth player. Bilic must really not rate the kids he has available.

The only one of the "kids" anywhere near first team ready is Alex Palmer currently on loan at Plymouth and playing regularly. Probably more beneficial than sitting in the stands playing under 23 football and the occasional outing on the bench. People at the club are apparently quite excited about Josh Griffiths who is England's under 18 keeper and training with the 1st team group. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 17, 2020, 01:21:27 PM
A backup backup goalkeeper for me should be a youth player. Bilic must really not rate the kids he has available.
Palmer’s on loan, Griffiths and Cann are 18ish and ahead of Brad House while The likes of Pierce and Przybek are gone (not sure on Keranovic, he’s disappeared)

So no, GK is not the strongest position at this moment, both Cann and Griffiths especially are rated but is it wise to risk a 17 or 18 year old with no prior experience.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on February 17, 2020, 01:31:39 PM
Griffiths' distribution was awful when I saw him in the U23's. I'd say he's a good way off the first team.

Palmer will be 24 at the start of the new season, if he doesn't break through in the summer he never will. I have a feeling we will sell him to a lower league team.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on February 17, 2020, 01:55:58 PM
ikeep asking and no-one answers, What the hell is Al Habsi doing???  What are we paying for??

It's quite obvious what he's being paid to do. Al Habsi started out as an airport firefighter. He's therefore employed not only as third choice goalkeeper but also doubles up as training ground fire marshal. Two birds with one stone and all that.

Yours, M. Jenkins (maybe....allegedly....etc).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2020, 01:59:36 PM
It's quite obvious what he's being paid to do. Al Habsi started out as an airport firefighter. He's therefore employed not only as third choice goalkeeper but also doubles up as training ground fire marshal. Two birds with one stone and all that.

Yours, M. Jenkins (maybe....allegedly....etc).

Of course, how I can be so slow on the uptake is shocking really.
Maybe we should get Foster back then, as I understand he makes a mean pasta salad and is a dab hand with a bottle of domestos
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on February 17, 2020, 02:26:43 PM
Griffiths' distribution was awful when I saw him in the U23's. I'd say he's a good way off the first team.

Palmer will be 24 at the start of the new season, if he doesn't break through in the summer he never will. I have a feeling we will sell him to a lower league team.

The development path on keepers even the best of them is so long Palmer at the age of 23 is still in the development phase of his career. That said being out of contract at the end of the season will force the issue. It is no surprise that Griffith's is a mile away from even a loan move as a number 1 it could be quite easily another 2 seasons before that happens.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on February 27, 2020, 02:49:38 PM
Need to get him signed up to a long contract if possible now, no coincidence that hes turned the club round. 3 or 4 year contract with a slight flex down for relegation (if he'd agree) would be a fantastic start to the summer window.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: sammyg on March 13, 2020, 08:30:22 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/bili-wins-sky-bet-manager-of-the-month/

Slav named manager of the month for February. Well done Slav
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on March 13, 2020, 08:44:19 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/march/bili-wins-sky-bet-manager-of-the-month/

Slav named manager of the month for February. Well done Slav

Blues win nailed on for tomorrow then (if the game goes ahead of course).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on March 13, 2020, 08:49:19 AM
Congratulations Slaven and the backroom staff, it's a well earned recognition
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: royhan on March 13, 2020, 09:02:56 PM
Congratulations Slaven. I hope you win it again in April and again in May. You can then collect your Manager of the Year Award as well once our title is confirmed!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: geoff on March 13, 2020, 09:19:56 PM
A just reward for yourself Slaven and all your staff.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on March 14, 2020, 01:33:19 AM
Well done and shame on the pathetic minority of online keyboard warriors throwing mud at him and our club.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on March 14, 2020, 04:57:57 PM
Bilic is the man. Does he always get it right in his selections? I think, mostly, he does. Does he know a sh17load more than we do? YES.

Well deserved Slaven.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 14, 2020, 05:53:24 PM
Well done and shame on the pathetic minority of online keyboard warriors throwing mud at him and our club.
Are you having a bad day?
He’s won an award and been recognised, why the grinch impression?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: adamw1109 on March 15, 2020, 11:02:01 AM
Bilic is the man. Does he always get it right in his selections? I think, mostly, he does. Does he know a sh17load more than we do? YES.

Well deserved Slaven.

Couldn't agree more.

Even the elite get it wrong sometimes in terms of selections and tactics... But for the club we are and the position we are in, he is the best we could wish for.  Anyone who has doubts over bilic clearly has a couple of screws loose.  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on March 15, 2020, 11:18:14 AM
Anyone who has doubts over bilic clearly has a couple of screws loose.  ;D

Why say something silly like this? I have no issue with Bilic but three or four defeats in a row, us losing out on automatic promotion and many people will have criticisms of him and then they may refer to you as having a screw lose.

Things can change very quickly in football. All opinions are valid until facts prove otherwise. We've achieved nothing yet, remember.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on March 16, 2020, 08:35:27 PM
Report: West Brom man rejects move to 19-time title-winners, wants Hawthorns stay

Caveat. click bait site

Source: https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/03/16/report-west-brom-man-rejects-move-to-19-time-title-winners-wants/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on March 28, 2020, 03:57:22 PM
I did comment on the bearded wonder a while back but for some reason it didn't appear.
Anyway Slaven has taken his beard off,its a clear sign of spring ,regeneration to start again.
So when we get back to football as he was clean shaven when he began his term with us,9 games with a full strength team who can beat us?
No one!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on April 01, 2020, 07:52:04 AM
Screenshot of wba.co.uk doing the rounds saying Bilic has gone?  ???
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on April 01, 2020, 07:52:40 AM
Barry Caretaker.

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Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on April 01, 2020, 08:13:41 AM
Have a look at your calendar. ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on April 01, 2020, 08:57:47 AM
Screenshot of wba.co.uk doing the rounds saying Bilic has gone?  ???

Slow news day?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on April 01, 2020, 09:08:07 AM
Probably a bit of muppetry from one of our six fingered friends in Witton.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 01, 2020, 09:41:37 AM
Screenshot of wba.co.uk doing the rounds saying Bilic has gone?  ???

why not have a look at wba.co.uk and see if it's genuine?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 01, 2020, 09:43:42 AM
Screenshot of wba.co.uk doing the rounds saying Bilic has gone?  ???

what day is it today?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on April 01, 2020, 09:44:37 AM
what day is it today?
wednesday !
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 01, 2020, 07:29:30 PM
what day is it today?
Christmas?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 01, 2020, 08:51:15 PM
what day is it today?
Today.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 02, 2020, 03:06:30 PM
Today.

I think you'll find it's yesterday. Today's today.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 02, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
Today is the tomorrow you worried about, yesterday.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 04, 2020, 09:45:28 PM
Any one else wondering what SB and his management team are up to during this hiatus in the season?
I'd like to think they are at a minimum carrying out one of the most thorough reviews of potential transfer targets from around the world for the next two or three windows based on the varying scenarios of the outcome to this season?
Plenty of time to work their networks of contacts for news and views on who's upcoming and may be worth checking out and especially who to avoid!
Updating coaching ideas and methods?
Anything else we think they should be doing?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on April 04, 2020, 10:20:11 PM
Chilling and spending family time
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on April 04, 2020, 11:39:54 PM
Any one else wondering what SB (is) up to during this hiatus in the season?......Anything else we think...he.. should be doing?

Having seen a photo of Mrs Bilic the other day, if I were Mr Bilic I'd be mostly banging the Mrs  8)  ;) .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 05, 2020, 07:58:57 AM
Having seen a photo of Mrs Bilic the other day, if I were Mr Bilic I'd be mostly banging the Mrs  8)  ;) .
If there is one person I can rely on this forum to keep me smiling, it's you mate.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 08, 2020, 06:28:19 PM
Having seen a photo of Mrs Bilic the other day, if I were Mr Bilic I'd be mostly banging the Mrs  8)  ;) .
Absolutely true. But like going up the M5 first time...... after 3000 times you need a rest!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on April 08, 2020, 07:55:27 PM
Having seen a photo of Mrs Bilic the other day, if I were Mr Bilic I'd be mostly banging the Mrs  8)  ;) .

Wow! Just took a gander, absolutely stunning.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on April 09, 2020, 10:21:37 AM
Wow! Just took a gander, absolutely stunning.

Thank you but I'm spoken for, flattering nonetheless you old smoothie  :-* .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on April 09, 2020, 10:42:25 AM
Thank you but I'm spoken for, flattering nonetheless you old smoothie  :-* .

In your dreams sonny !
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BalisPen on April 10, 2020, 06:59:49 PM
There is a YouTube video for the Croatian speakers amongst (Chiles) of a Croatian camera crew and interview slav the day after the Leeds away game.

It is interspersed with little bits of English.

The video is called: Kod Slavena Bilica u WBA - R. Knjaz (planet sport).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 11, 2020, 09:13:31 AM
Having seen a photo of Mrs Bilic the other day, if I were Mr Bilic I'd be mostly banging the Mrs  8)  ;) .
By the look of him, it looks like he responded to your recommendation mate.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on May 15, 2020, 12:47:05 PM
£12m payout for being sacked by his old club. Football really is bonkers.


https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/05/15/west-brom-boss-slaven-bilic-bags-12m/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on May 16, 2020, 01:38:57 PM
Absolutely crazy money
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on May 16, 2020, 02:34:40 PM
£12m payout for being sacked by his old club. Football really is bonkers.


https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2020/05/15/west-brom-boss-slaven-bilic-bags-12m/

I honestly don't mind it.  If the money is in the game (and you could argue it isn't I guess), but if it is, then I'd rather see managers, playing staff getting big wages than it being pocketed by all the directors and board members - because that's where it would go otherwise.

At the end of the day, it's no different to movie stars getting paid big bucks. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on May 17, 2020, 08:24:39 AM
I honestly don't mind it.  If the money is in the game (and you could argue it isn't I guess), but if it is, then I'd rather see managers, playing staff getting big wages than it being pocketed by all the directors and board members - because that's where it would go otherwise.

At the end of the day, it's no different to movie stars getting paid big bucks.

The film industry is totally different to football. Firstly it makes money. Secondly a lot of movie stars income comes from having a % of the box office and therefore if a film does well they make money if it doesn't then they do less well. In some cases they can are given a choice between a salary and a % of the profit.

The original Star Wars movie was a case in point which was hugely profitable for the studio Harrison Ford took $1,000 a week for 10 weeks shooting giving him $10,000. Alex Guinness took less salary and 2.25% of the profits he took $3.3m from the initial release and by 2000 this had risen to $85m or more than the 40 other films he appeared in combined.   

Don't get me wrong I don't blame an individual for taking the money on offer but I am not going pretend that it is a good thing for the game and it does have some profoundly negative impacts on the way the game is run.

Given that nobody was holding a gun to anybody's head when the contract was signed Bilic is due what he was entitled to under the contract no argument. Looking at the article it seems he was being paid something like £5m a year. I cannot pretend to know much about the state of Saudi football but I can't imagine that a Saudi football club will generate enough income to justify that salary on a purely commercial basis.

So the owners are subsidising the club. Why? For the love of the game or perhaps not. This leads us into the murky waters of PR, politics, influence peddling or worse. Do you want football clubs to be vehicles for whatever cause a wealthy individual or sovereign wealth fund happens to be pushing? If you do well whatever happens don't let football clubs be profitable  don't let them be self sustaining and competitive without owner subsidy.  If you want fan ownership then they have to be all of those things as a matter of course.

The Bilic salary along with pretty much every other bloated salary is a symptom of what is wrong with the fundamental structures of the game.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: NJS on May 17, 2020, 11:31:16 AM
I only hope that Slaven's hunger for success and kudos outweighs his lust for money and Mrs Bilic (not necessarily in that order). 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pie on May 28, 2020, 09:49:36 AM
Sky sports have done an interview with Slav - available to watch here:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11994438/at-home-with-west-brom-boss-slaven-bilic

not actually had a chance to watch it yet.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 28, 2020, 10:22:21 AM
cheers for putting that up Pie, a really good interview. Bilic comes across and very intelligent and sincere.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on May 28, 2020, 02:28:05 PM
Sky sports have done an interview with Slav - available to watch here:

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11994438/at-home-with-west-brom-boss-slaven-bilic

not actually had a chance to watch it yet.

Nice one! Really good watch.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on May 28, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
What a man! He’s brilliant.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 28, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
In this bloke, we have great manager and coach.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 14, 2020, 01:56:31 PM
Wonder how Slaven will utilise the 5 subs rule?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 14, 2020, 03:20:43 PM
Wonder how Slaven will utilise the 5 subs rule?

I imagine sawyers and livermore to play the 90 but everyone in front of them will be changed. Maybe sopping bartley/hegazi out at 70 min when they get knackered.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 14, 2020, 03:21:09 PM
Also if we are winning comfortable I expect him to bring some kids on
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
Also if we are winning comfortable I expect him to bring some kids on
I don’t think so
Out of interest which kids, because for me the squad is too strong to have kids on it?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on June 14, 2020, 09:45:38 PM
Also if we are winning comfortable I expect him to bring some kids on

I'd like to see Tulloch get some minutes but only IF / WHEN he has signed a new contract.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: MarkW on June 15, 2020, 12:32:42 AM
If Bilic is to persist with 4-3-3 then I'd imagine the front three plus either 1 midfielder and 1 defender, or 2 midfielders would get substituted

I would also guess that Bilic may keep one sub in reserve until the final few minutes as the likelihood of muscle injuries is going to be higher.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 15, 2020, 01:07:37 AM
I think a lot will depend on the individual game state. I also don't think he will use all 5 as a matter of course. The danger is that as we have seen in friendlies with a lot of substitutions a teams rhythm can is disrupted by a large number of changes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 15, 2020, 03:20:51 AM
Have I read you can still only make three interventions? ie. to get the 5 subs on if you had already made 2 separate changes the next (last) would have to be a triple substitution?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on June 15, 2020, 12:56:43 PM
Have I read you can still only make three interventions? ie. to get the 5 subs on if you had already made 2 separate changes the next (last) would have to be a triple substitution?

That's interesting if correct. I have not seen this, how about anyone else??
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tommcneill on June 15, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
Have I read you can still only make three interventions? ie. to get the 5 subs on if you had already made 2 separate changes the next (last) would have to be a triple substitution?

Thats exactly how ive seen the way it will be implemented.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 15, 2020, 01:55:43 PM
Thats exactly how ive seen the way it will be implemented.

Glad I haven't imagined it!!

So for clarity to utilise all 5 subs, you can either...

Make 1 quintuple substitution.
Make 1 quadruple and 1 single substitution.
Make 1 triple and 2 single substitutions.
Make 1 triple and 1 double substitution.
OR make 2 double and 1 single substitution.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 15, 2020, 01:57:03 PM
Glad I haven't imagined it!!

So for clarity to utilise all 5 subs, you can either...

Make 1 quintuple substitution.
Make 1 quadruple and 1 single substitution.
Make 1 triple and 2 single substitutions.
OR make 2 double and 1 single substitution.
or a triple and a double.... pedantry A level
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 15, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
or a triple and a double.... pedantry A level

knew I'd miss one. Edited!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tommcneill on June 15, 2020, 02:05:16 PM
Glad I haven't imagined it!!

So for clarity to utilise all 5 subs, you can either...

Make 1 quintuple substitution.
Make 1 quadruple and 1 single substitution.
Make 1 triple and 2 single substitutions.
Make 1 triple and 1 double substitution.
OR make 2 double and 1 single substitution.
Yep basically its all 5 subs across 3 substitions only, in whichever way you wish to bring them on.

 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: NJS on June 15, 2020, 02:57:14 PM
I reckon that most likely scheme will be one single, one double and one held in reserve - or until 80 mins - in case somebody's legs pack in.
Triples and upwards would be too disruptive (except if Murinho is your manager)
In any circumstance, the manager will be sweating on player fitness.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 15, 2020, 03:40:45 PM
Since lads have been back I'm right in saying that 60 minutes is all the players have got into their legs with these friendlies, that being said I'd expect multiple changes around the 60 min mark. Once up to speed then individual game will dictate changes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 15, 2020, 04:05:52 PM
Since lads have been back I'm right in saying that 60 minutes is all the players have got into their legs with these friendlies, that being said I'd expect multiple changes around the 60 min mark. Once up to speed then individual game will dictate changes.
both Utd games were 90mins each, so they have all done match length at least once.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hardtobeat on June 15, 2020, 05:47:13 PM
Yep basically its all 5 subs across 3 substitions only, in whichever way you wish to bring them on.
I assume it’s to stop continual substitutions at the end of the game to run the clock down aka time wasting !
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 15, 2020, 06:14:19 PM
We need to go for the jugular if / when  the opportunity presents itself in games.

A comfortable lead makes it easier to utilise 5 subs without disrupting the team and shape too much while it matters, and we can keep the players fresh for a hectic schedule and avoid the higher level of muscle injuries they are expecting.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 15, 2020, 06:40:15 PM
I'd like to see Tulloch get some minutes but only IF / WHEN he has signed a new contract.
I don’t get hung up on contacts , I’d play him regardless ....once we have promotion confirmed, if the gaffer wants to rest others.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on June 15, 2020, 06:50:51 PM
Slaven speaks.......

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/june/slav-were-ready/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 15, 2020, 10:30:31 PM
Sounds like he is using SJ,s cock up as a warning to the players about sloppiness because it feels like a freindly. If course there could have been numerous other incidents tht we are not aware of.I

It's a good point that look could be prone to this and hence it may present opportunities
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Political Cake on June 15, 2020, 10:39:11 PM
Glad I haven't imagined it!!

So for clarity to utilise all 5 subs, you can either...

Make 1 quintuple substitution.
Make 1 quadruple and 1 single substitution.
Make 1 triple and 2 single substitutions.
Make 1 triple and 1 double substitution.
OR make 2 double and 1 single substitution.


I remember reading somewhere that you can make any changes during half time and it doesn't count as one of the three opportunities.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 15, 2020, 11:24:00 PM

I remember reading somewhere that you can make any changes during half time and it doesn't count as one of the three opportunities.

Excellent info... no I'm not doing all the permutations in that scenario!!  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 16, 2020, 10:21:47 PM
Does he only have 1 year left on his contract if so we should probably be looking to get him a longer deal
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 16, 2020, 10:25:54 PM
Does he only have 1 year left on his contract if so we should probably be looking to get him a longer deal

No. Reward him upon promotion. Nothing stupid like an 8 year deal.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 17, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
No. Reward him upon promotion. Nothing stupid like an 8 year deal.

Agreed, no dumb deals, that is the road to ruin, a rolling year or rolling 2 year max.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on June 17, 2020, 09:08:47 AM
Agreed, no dumb deals, that is the road to ruin, a rolling year or rolling 2 year max.

A contract has to be attractive for both parties.  Why would he accept a rolling 1 or 2 year deal?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 17, 2020, 09:13:37 AM
A contract has to be attractive for both parties.  Why would he accept a rolling 1 or 2 year deal?

If the terms are attractive enough, Salary and Bonuses then why wouldn't he?
He is savvy enough to know the days of extended contracts and huge pay offs are now gone.

I doubt that things like guaranteed recruitment budgets are likely to be in contracts, I cannot see why a rolling contract is off putting TBH
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on June 17, 2020, 10:49:43 AM
I have always thought a 12 month rolling contract was the best and in some ways fairest arrangement for both club and coach.

From the coaches perspective he is always guaranteed 12 months pay should the club be minded to sack him. Equally the club will always get some compensation should the coach up and leave but that won't be enough to deter a determined suitor. It does not preclude a negotiated mutually beneficial termination say if the coach wanted to retire. It also avoids all speculation in circumstances where a coach's contract is running down because well the contract never runs down.   
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on June 17, 2020, 12:45:26 PM
I have always thought a 12 month rolling contract was the best and in some ways fairest arrangement for both club and coach.

From the coaches perspective he is always guaranteed 12 months pay should the club be minded to sack him. Equally the club will always get some compensation should the coach up and leave but that won't be enough to deter a determined suitor. It does not preclude a negotiated mutually beneficial termination say if the coach wanted to retire. It also avoids all speculation in circumstances where a coach's contract is running down because well the contract never runs down.   

I agree with this. When you weigh up the options as a neutral (i.e. not the club or not the individual) I feel these one year rolling contracts are the best option.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 20, 2020, 05:21:49 PM
Picked the wrong team today.  Krovinovic was the outstanding player for last few games before lockdown and he got 5 minutes.  How can you pick HRK instead of him?  It's about picking the best players.  Guardiola played with a False 9 at Barcelona and they still smashed teams.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 20, 2020, 05:25:57 PM
Picked the wrong team today.  Krovinovic was the outstanding player for last few games before lockdown and he got 5 minutes. How can you pick HRK instead of him?  It's about picking the best players.  Guardiola played with a False 9 at Barcelona and they still smashed teams.

erm because he's a striker not a midfielder.

Bilic isn't Guardiola. We aren't Barcelona.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 20, 2020, 05:30:56 PM
erm because he's a striker not a midfielder.

Bilic isn't Guardiola. We aren't Barcelona.

I wouldn't even call him.a striker he's just a forward.  Krovinovic is just as good for goal scoring and assists and is just a better all round player.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 20, 2020, 05:32:15 PM
Picked the wrong team today.  Krovinovic was the outstanding player for last few games before lockdown and he got 5 minutes.  How can you pick HRK instead of him?  It's about picking the best players.  Guardiola played with a False 9 at Barcelona and they still smashed teams.
needs to figure out his best team because this one wasn't, waste of time picking player's on past performances. Phillips, Kanu struggling before shut down. Krovinovic should have started with Diangana also in first team.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 20, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
I wouldn't even call him.a striker he's just a forward.  Krovinovic is just as good for goal scoring and assists and is just a better all round player.

Krovinovic has assisted 4 time this season with 2 goals Robson Kanu has scored 10 with 1 assist, which is what you'd expect when comparing 2 players that don't play in the same position when one of them is a striker.

You can't logically compare a midfielder with an attacker/forward/striker they are not like for like.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 20, 2020, 05:51:07 PM
Top five of Robinson up top with Diangana and Grosicki out wide with Pereira in number 10 role. Krovinovic slotting into midfield along side Livermore.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 20, 2020, 06:12:23 PM
Krovinovic has assisted 4 time this season with 2 goals Robson Kanu has scored 10 with 1 assist, which is what you'd expect when comparing 2 players that don't play in the same position when one of them is a striker.

You can't logically compare a midfielder with an attacker/forward/striker they are not like for like.

Not much in it HRK also had more gametime.  If Krov played in his position then he'd be 10 yards further up the pitch giving loads more potential for goals and assists.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 20, 2020, 06:29:45 PM
Well this didn’t take long did it ?😀😀
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 21, 2020, 09:26:52 AM
I’m not Bilic’s biggest cheerleader, in fact I think despite being incredibly likeable, he’s massively over rated.

However He’s entitled to expect better from those players who simply have to create more when they dominate a game like that. 

Whether it’s HRK or Austin, or Robinson, Grosicki, Pereira, Krovinovic, Philips, or Diangana chosen, they should be capable of more when the other side offers so little.

Let’s stop asking for new contracts for Bilic after passionate interviews though, let’s do it after a period of great results.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on June 21, 2020, 10:54:14 AM
Hey Johny, what do you expect from Bilic?
He and the backroom boys have transformed everything about the team/ squad since the dark days.
Oh,by the way did you notice were top of the league again and now 7 points clear of 3rd place.
Crikey mate cut him some slack here.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: adamw1109 on June 21, 2020, 11:24:47 AM
I’m not Bilic’s biggest cheerleader, in fact I think despite being incredibly likeable, he’s massively over rated.

However He’s entitled to expect better from those players who simply have to create more when they dominate a game like that. 

Whether it’s HRK or Austin, or Robinson, Grosicki, Pereira, Krovinovic, Philips, or Diangana chosen, they should be capable of more when the other side offers so little.

Let’s stop asking for new contracts for Bilic after passionate interviews though, let’s do it after a period of great results.

What, like have us sitting in first position after nearly the whole season?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 21, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
What, like have us sitting in first position after nearly the whole season?

No, after the next 8 games if we achieve our aim.

It’s a major balls up if we don't get promoted.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 21, 2020, 01:07:25 PM
Have been critical of Slaven especially when we went seven games without a win but he showed his tactical nouse by turning that blip around. Think yesterday he gave players a chance who maybe looked sharp in training but let him down badly in game. Trust him to get us up especially after seeing results elsewhere and in hindsight a draw doesn't look like a bad result.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 21, 2020, 03:27:56 PM
I was curious about last year compared to this year....

After we beat Blues last season, we had 70 points from 39 games. After 39 games this season we could have 74, 72 or 71.

Now obviously it’s hard to compare seasons, but you could make a case for the league being harder last year or more competitive this depending on your agenda. I think it does show that some of the praise, adulation and love for Bilic is a little over the top though. In many respects he seems to have a lot of the same issues DM (and later JS) had but gets far less stick - a great advert for the power of PR and managing your personal ‘brand’.

Now I do have much more confidence in Bilic and I’d much rather have him than Moore, but the difference between the two so far isn't as pronounced as even I thought it would be.

Yes I understand Moore had Gayle and J-rod, but SB has Pereira, Diangana and at very least signed off on Zohore.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 22, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
I’ll tell you what worries me ....throughout this season we don’t seem to have one off blips, at present we haven’t scored in over 270 minutes of league football, the run we had without winning pre Christmas dragged on....and despite him being very popular etc...I still think that Slaven has had the advantage of injuries/suspensions making the big decisions for him (when sawyers desperately needed dropping)
I have a fear he picks the same starting 11 as per the blues game....and that won’t end well .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnnyg on June 22, 2020, 09:45:50 PM
I’ll tell you what worries me ....throughout this season we don’t seem to have one off blips, at present we haven’t scored in over 270 minutes of league football, the run we had without winning pre Christmas dragged on....and despite him being very popular etc...I still think that Slaven has had the advantage of injuries/suspensions making the big decisions for him (when sawyers desperately needed dropping)
I have a fear he picks the same starting 11 as per the blues game....and that won’t end well .

There isn't a cat in hells chance he will go with the starting X1 he picked against Blues. No chance. There will be changes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 23, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
Not much in it HRK also had more gametime. If Krov played in his position then he'd be 10 yards further up the pitch giving loads more potential for goals and assists.

That's a ridiculous argument to make. Krovinovic isn't a striker/forward whatever word you want to use. If he played 10 yards further forward as you suggest he would look like a midfielder playing out of position.

Krovinovic joining Sawyers and Livermore in a midfield 3 yes but not replacing a forward.

Anyway back to Bilic.

I'm sure that he will put out a slighter different team/squad for the Brentford game. I would expect to see Grosicki on the bench (if not starting). I think Diangana will come in for Robinson and we may well go 4-3-3 with Krovinovic joining Livermore and Sawyers in midfield.

The team he put out against Blues was good enough to beat them but due to a lack of being able to break down a very stubborn defensive side and also when we did put balls in the box nobody anticipated them plus some wayward shooting we didn't win.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 23, 2020, 09:52:57 AM

I'm sure that he will put out a slighter different team/squad for the Brentford game. I would expect to see Grosicki on the bench (if not starting).


I agree. I think we will see Grosicki on the bench. However, I'm sure there was an occasion before the shutdown where Grosicki didnt make the squad too. So I do wonder how much Bilic fancies him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on June 23, 2020, 11:39:09 AM
I agree. I think we will see Grosicki on the bench. However, I'm sure there was an occasion before the shutdown where Grosicki didnt make the squad too. So I do wonder how much Bilic fancies him.

Didn't Bilic try and sign him in the past? I read somewhere that Grosicki had gone back to Poland during lockdown. Maybe a case of him not being fit enough to play perhaps?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on June 23, 2020, 11:43:01 AM
The game will be way more open against Brentford so I wouldn't worry about the starting formation, even if he picked the same against Blues.  Our problem, when teams put 10 men behind the ball, is that we don't have any real prescence in the box if we can't get our midfield in there.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on June 23, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
There isn't a cat in hells chance he will go with the starting X1 he picked against Blues. No chance. There will be changes.

Agree with this 100%. He has shown on several occasions he is not afraid to make changes. He was given a 2 year remit to get the club promoted and is ahead of schedule following a major rebuild last summer.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 23, 2020, 04:37:46 PM
That's a ridiculous argument to make. Krovinovic isn't a striker/forward whatever word you want to use. If he played 10 yards further forward as you suggest he would look like a midfielder playing out of position.

Krovinovic joining Sawyers and Livermore in a midfield 3 yes but not replacing a forward.

Anyway back to Bilic.

I'm sure that he will put out a slighter different team/squad for the Brentford game. I would expect to see Grosicki on the bench (if not starting). I think Diangana will come in for Robinson and we may well go 4-3-3 with Krovinovic joining Livermore and Sawyers in midfield.

The team he put out against Blues was good enough to beat them but due to a lack of being able to break down a very stubborn defensive side and also when we did put balls in the box nobody anticipated them plus some wayward shooting we didn't win.

Not ridiculous at all.  Krovinovic couldn't play in a midfield. 2 just like Brunt, Greening, Barry etc.  He is not fast enough for an outright winger either.  He doesn't have defensive capability.  He is a player in the mould of Messi, Cantona, Zidane, Zola etc a No10 playmaker.  It's not ideal but sometimes. Special circumstances dictate.  He is a bettet player than HRK every day of the week, if you can't see that well......  What is it 3 hours without a championship goal.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 23, 2020, 04:57:23 PM
Not ridiculous at all.  Krovinovic couldn't play in a midfield. 2 just like Brunt, Greening, Barry etc.  He is not fast enough for an outright winger either.  He doesn't have defensive capability.  He is a player in the mould of Messi, Cantona, Zidane, Zola etc a No10 playmaker.  It's not ideal but sometimes. Special circumstances dictate.  He is a bettet player than HRK every day of the week, if you can't see that well......  What is it 3 hours without a championship goal.

I agree his isnt one of a central midfield two.

He isnt in the mould of any of those players though. Firstly, nobody else is in Messi's mould. He is the greatest goalscorer of all time and also happens to have the most assists.

The rest were all significantly bigger goal threats than Krovinovic is so even forgetting the obvious differences in class his game is nothing like any of theres were. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 23, 2020, 06:44:15 PM
Agree with this 100%. He has shown on several occasions he is not afraid to make changes. He was given a 2 year remit to get the club promoted and is ahead of schedule following a major rebuild last summer.
I honestly cannot think of any big changes to personal,tactics he has made that were positive, without them being made for him by injuries/suspensions,..can you?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 23, 2020, 08:28:28 PM
Not ridiculous at all.  Krovinovic couldn't play in a midfield. 2 just like Brunt, Greening, Barry etc.  He is not fast enough for an outright winger either.  He doesn't have defensive capability.  He is a player in the mould of Messi, Cantona, Zidane, Zola etc a No10 playmaker.  It's not ideal but sometimes. Special circumstances dictate.  He is a bettet player than HRK every day of the week, if you can't see that well......  What is it 3 hours without a championship goal.

I clearly said Krovinovic to join Livermore and Sawyers in a midfield 3, not sure where you get the midfield 2 from? His best games have come as part of a midfield 3.

 It's 3 games without a goal not 3 hrs but all strikers go through a dry spell. He's still our top scorer.

It's still a ridiculous idea to drop a striker for a midfielder...especially dropping 10 goals for 2 goals.

I think Krovinovic is a more technical player but he plays a different role to HRK so saying one is better than the other is illogical as you are comparing two different things.

Don't get me wrong I like Krovinovic and think he should be starting games but not as a replacement for HRK.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 23, 2020, 09:09:50 PM
I clearly said Krovinovic to join Livermore and Sawyers in a midfield 3, not sure where you get the midfield 2 from? His best games have come as part of a midfield 3.

 It's 3 games without a goal not 3 hrs but all strikers go through a dry spell. He's still our top scorer.

It's still a ridiculous idea to drop a striker for a midfielder...especially dropping 10 goals for 2 goals.

I think Krovinovic is a more technical player but he plays a different role to HRK so saying one is better than the other is illogical as you are comparing two different things.

Don't get me wrong I like Krovinovic and think he should be starting games but not as a replacement for HRK.


HRK is top. Scorer because Austin is a perennial sub and Zohore out of the picture.  Nothing to write home about 10 goals, the Kevin Phillips would have 25-30 by now in this team.  HRK is not good enough for this team.  The only other option is Robinson up front.  If you watched the Guardiola Barcelona team from. 2008 onwards, the false 9 does work as he proved it.  We need the best players starting at this critical stage.  He did the right thing with including Hegazi / Gibbs.  Starting Krov and Diangana on the bench is madness.  How can HRK be one of the best XI with everyone available?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on June 23, 2020, 10:57:47 PM
I honestly cannot think of any big changes to personal,tactics he has made that were positive, without them being made for him by injuries/suspensions,..can you?

Absolutely I can. Without going back through all games played this season he has on several occasions made substitutions during games that have changed games.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 24, 2020, 07:15:34 AM
HRK is top. Scorer because Austin is a perennial sub and Zohore out of the picture.  Nothing to write home about 10 goals, the Kevin Phillips would have 25-30 by now in this team.  HRK is not good enough for this team.  The only other option is Robinson up front.  If you watched the Guardiola Barcelona team from. 2008 onwards, the false 9 does work as he proved it.  We need the best players starting at this critical stage.  He did the right thing with including Hegazi / Gibbs.  Starting Krov and Diangana on the bench is madness.  How can HRK be one of the best XI with everyone available?

Guardiola had the players to play with a false number 9 we don't. Are you seriously comparing us with Barcelona??? The problem on Saturday wasn't with the formation it was that we didn't create enough clear chances, too many times Phillips had the chance to cross but decided to try and beat his man another time. Phillips wasn't the only one though Gibbs, Periera, Edwards all did it too.

HRK is top scorer because he has scored more goals than anyone else in the team end of. Austin is usually a sub because he hasn't been good enough when he comes on (apart from Blues away). IF HRK isn't good enough for this team then Austin isn't. Neither HRK or AUstin should be 1st or 2nd choice in the PL. The less said about Zohore the better.
I wouldn't mind seeing Robinson through the middle but we would need to play to his strengths. Although I can imagine there would be lots of moans on here if Bilic tried it and we didn't win.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you or I think about the line up it's Bilic that makes the call. He put out a team on Saturday that should have been capable of beating Blues but we didn't, that's football.
As I said in a previous post I'm sure Bilic will make changes to either the starting line up and/or the bench for the Brentford game. Football is a squad game and while players are getting back to match sharpness it makes sense to utilise that squad as much as possible.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 24, 2020, 09:06:36 AM
Guardiola had the players to play with a false number 9 we don't. Are you seriously comparing us with Barcelona??? The problem on Saturday wasn't with the formation it was that we didn't create enough clear chances, too many times Phillips had the chance to cross but decided to try and beat his man another time. Phillips wasn't the only one though Gibbs, Periera, Edwards all did it too.

HRK is top scorer because he has scored more goals than anyone else in the team end of. Austin is usually a sub because he hasn't been good enough when he comes on (apart from Blues away). IF HRK isn't good enough for this team then Austin isn't. Neither HRK or AUstin should be 1st or 2nd choice in the PL. The less said about Zohore the better.
I wouldn't mind seeing Robinson through the middle but we would need to play to his strengths. Although I can imagine there would be lots of moans on here if Bilic tried it and we didn't win.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you or I think about the line up it's Bilic that makes the call. He put out a team on Saturday that should have been capable of beating Blues but we didn't, that's football.
As I said in a previous post I'm sure Bilic will make changes to either the starting line up and/or the bench for the Brentford game. Football is a squad game and while players are getting back to match sharpness it makes sense to utilise that squad as much as possible.

It's the same scenario as Barcelona.  We are one of the leading lights in the division.  Our players are a class above most of the division so WBA v B'ham was a bit like Barca v Levante.  I'm quoting real stats in that we're struggling to make the net bulge.  Austins primary problem is fitness, he's not in prime condition.  You seem to also acknowledge that HRK is not good enough and doesn't have the instinct of a natural scorer.  He doesn't play on the shoulder of a defender because he's slow, everything is back to goal and limits our attacking options.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 24, 2020, 10:52:11 AM
It's the same scenario as Barcelona.  We are one of the leading lights in the division.  Our players are a class above most of the division so WBA v B'ham was a bit like Barca v Levante.  I'm quoting real stats in that we're struggling to make the net bulge.  Austins primary problem is fitness, he's not in prime condition.  You seem to also acknowledge that HRK is not good enough and doesn't have the instinct of a natural scorer.  He doesn't play on the shoulder of a defender because he's slow, everything is back to goal and limits our attacking options.

I have also quoted real stats the main one being that HRK is our top goalscorer.

The Barcelona comparison isn't as simple as you make it though. Barcelona had players that were schooled in playing with a false number 9, we haven't had that luxury so to try it with players that would have to adjust to it is a bad idea especially as there is a promotion at stake and only 8 games left.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 24, 2020, 11:06:24 AM
I have also quoted real stats the main one being that HRK is our top goalscorer.

The Barcelona comparison isn't as simple as you make it though. Barcelona had players that were schooled in playing with a false number 9, we haven't had that luxury so to try it with players that would have to adjust to it is a bad idea especially as there is a promotion at stake and only 8 games left.



OK that's your view.  I happen to think formations are a little over rated and its down to the quality of players at your disposal.  The other point is that Sawyers and Livermore are poor at shooting from outside the box, you'll have noted that Krovinovic is more adept.  When your forward is not prolific is to put the pressure and emphasis on midfield to score.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 24, 2020, 12:11:25 PM
OK that's your view.  I happen to think formations are a little over rated and its down to the quality of players at your disposal.  The other point is that Sawyers and Livermore are poor at shooting from outside the box, you'll have noted that Krovinovic is more adept.  When your forward is not prolific is to put the pressure and emphasis on midfield to score.

if that's the case why do managers buy players that will fit their system?

Sawyers is poor at shooting from outside the box as was evidenced on Saturday. Livermore isn't as bad as you are making out, he has scored from outside the box. Krovinovic might be more adept at it but he doesn't do it often enough. He had a goal disallowed against Millwall earlier this season but then seemed reluctant to shoot from range after that and was often one of the players guilty of endlessly passing it around the edge of the box when shooting was an option.

Yes our forwards aren't prolific but we are the second highest scorers in the league only 2 behind the top scorers are 6 goals better than the 3rd highest scorers, so scoring isn't an issue. Not really sure why you mentioned it.

The issue that Bilic has to deal with is how we break down sides that pack the defence and sit back like Blues did on Saturday. Luckily most of the games we have left are against teams with something to play for, which should mean a more open game.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 24, 2020, 08:55:20 PM
Ther was a post on Facebook with a quote from Darnell furlong

Along the lines of we are working on being more defensive so that the frontline don’t have to score as many....

Now whilst I get it...and we have 6 clean sheets in 9 matches (League) ......we haven’t scored for over 3 matches (league) and our imbalance in squad is definitely weighted towards the front end of the pitch....it would seem like a very strange strategy for 5his manager and 5his group of players .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: MarkW on June 24, 2020, 10:38:10 PM
Ther was a post on Facebook with a quote from Darnell furlong

Along the lines of we are working on being more defensive so that the frontline don’t have to score as many....

Now whilst I get it...and we have 6 clean sheets in 9 matches (League) ......we haven’t scored for over 3 matches (league) and our imbalance in squad is definitely weighted towards the front end of the pitch....it would seem like a very strange strategy for 5his manager and 5his group of players .

I think you're missing the point of the quote.

https://twitter.com/WBA/status/1275728225386270721?s=09

If we're not scoring many then we need to be keeping clean sheets or we will lose, that's fairly obvious.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 24, 2020, 10:45:19 PM
I think you're missing the point of the quote.

https://twitter.com/WBA/status/1275728225386270721?s=09

If we're not scoring many then we need to be keeping clean sheets or we will lose, that's fairly obvious.
That’s what I said....so no..I don’t think I’m missing the point .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: MarkW on June 24, 2020, 10:59:01 PM
That’s what I said....so no..I don’t think I’m missing the point .

Ok then, apologies. Seemed to me you were suggesting we need to be more gung-ho in order to start scoring.

In reality it's a minor fluff piece to give our social media team something to post. It's pretty common sense that the defence will be working hard on keeping clean sheets
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 24, 2020, 11:01:24 PM
Ok then, apologies. Seemed to me you were suggesting we need to be more gung-ho in order to start scoring.

In reality it's a minor fluff piece to give our social media team something to post. It's pretty common sense that the defence will be working hard on keeping clean sheets
Dow be daft..no need to apologise
If we keep a clean sheet on Friday I’ll be happy...I’m not sure some get how important Friday is ....this weekend could make it almost done
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 25, 2020, 08:36:26 AM
if that's the case why do managers buy players that will fit their system?

Sawyers is poor at shooting from outside the box as was evidenced on Saturday. Livermore isn't as bad as you are making out, he has scored from outside the box. Krovinovic might be more adept at it but he doesn't do it often enough. He had a goal disallowed against Millwall earlier this season but then seemed reluctant to shoot from range after that and was often one of the players guilty of endlessly passing it around the edge of the box when shooting was an option.

Yes our forwards aren't prolific but we are the second highest scorers in the league only 2 behind the top scorers are 6 goals better than the 3rd highest scorers, so scoring isn't an issue. Not really sure why you mentioned it.

The issue that Bilic has to deal with is how we break down sides that pack the defence and sit back like Blues did on Saturday. Luckily most of the games we have left are against teams with something to play for, which should mean a more open game.

In recent games we are struggling to open teams up, apparently its 270mins without a goal.  My point is HRK is a guaranteed starter when he only scores occasionally.  Someone else said it was madness Edwards was picked as a sub ahead of Grosicki.  I agree and Grosicki is one of our fastest players despite turning 30.  So I don't see why Grosicki or Robinson can't be deployed as the central striker?  Krovinovic was our best player in the few games before the lockdown and I noted his shooting ability.

In summary, Phillips/Livermore/Sawyers/HRK are very lucky to be guaranteed starters with their patchy form.  If I was Krovinovic I wouldn't be happy with the team selection v Blues.  We'll see what Bilic comes up with tomorrow night......
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on June 25, 2020, 09:03:04 AM
In recent games we are struggling to open teams up, apparently its 270mins without a goal.  My point is HRK is a guaranteed starter when he only scores occasionally.  Someone else said it was madness Edwards was picked as a sub ahead of Grosicki.  I agree and Grosicki is one of our fastest players despite turning 30.  So I don't see why Grosicki or Robinson can't be deployed as the central striker?  Krovinovic was our best player in the few games before the lockdown and I noted his shooting ability.

In summary, Phillips/Livermore/Sawyers/HRK are very lucky to be guaranteed starters with their patchy form.  If I was Krovinovic I wouldn't be happy with the team selection v Blues.  We'll see what Bilic comes up with tomorrow night......
Ajayi pretty much confirmed in an interview that Kyle Edwards is the quickest member of our 1st team squad. It's good to see Bilic show some faith in him and we have seen him produce a burst of pace or quick shifts of the ball on the edge of the box to get shots off. Perfectly reasonable to bring him on - like the other 3 wingers used on the night he didn't get much joy but doesn't make it wrong to bring him on. I'm not aware of Grosicki playing through the middle to any extent and I think most of us would be surprised if Bilic played him there.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on June 25, 2020, 09:06:16 AM
Ajayi pretty much confirmed in an interview that Kyle Edwards is the quickest member of our 1st team squad. It's good to see Bilic show some faith in him and we have seen him produce a burst of pace or quick shifts of the ball on the edge of the box to get shots off. Perfectly reasonable to bring him on - like the other 3 wingers used on the night he didn't get much joy but doesn't make it wrong to bring him on. I'm not aware of Grosicki playing through the middle to any extent and I think most of us would be surprised if Bilic played him there.

I have to say i would find it bizarre to play a pocket rocket as CF,
Robinson I can reconcile as he is physically and athletically akin to Thierry henry, (not the same talent though)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 25, 2020, 10:16:27 AM
In recent games we are struggling to open teams up, apparently its 270mins without a goal.  My point is HRK is a guaranteed starter when he only scores occasionally.  Someone else said it was madness Edwards was picked as a sub ahead of Grosicki.  I agree and Grosicki is one of our fastest players despite turning 30.  So I don't see why Grosicki or Robinson can't be deployed as the central striker?  Krovinovic was our best player in the few games before the lockdown and I noted his shooting ability.

In summary, Phillips/Livermore/Sawyers/HRK are very lucky to be guaranteed starters with their patchy form.  If I was Krovinovic I wouldn't be happy with the team selection v Blues.  We'll see what Bilic comes up with tomorrow night......

Robinson I can see as a central striker  as he has played there before but I can't see the logic of playing Grosicki, who has spent his entire career as a winger, through the middle. Yes he has pace but that pace is better on the wing. We need players that can beat a man and put a cross in that's where Grosicki is most dangerous.
Phillips would be another option through the middle as he has played there before.

I agree that Krovinovic was much improved for the 12 games before shut down but before that he was very hit and miss. Used as part of a midfield 3 he has become effective. I just can't see him playing as a false 9 as you suggested.

HRK does score occasionally but he scores more occasionally than anyone else.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on June 25, 2020, 11:12:05 AM
Ther was a post on Facebook with a quote from Darnell furlong

Along the lines of we are working on being more defensive so that the frontline don’t have to score as many....

Now whilst I get it...and we have 6 clean sheets in 9 matches (League) ......we haven’t scored for over 3 matches (league) and our imbalance in squad is definitely weighted towards the front end of the pitch....it would seem like a very strange strategy for 5his manager and 5his group of players .
But as we are hoping to playing in the Prem, this would need to be addressed at some point, so at least it shows forward thinking.

On Bilic in general, I think charisma and man management is his main strength, and at least his substitutions are generally about trying to win games
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 26, 2020, 09:49:05 PM
I’m going to repeat a point I made in the match thread....

Darren Moore’s last 15 league games - 25 points from 45 and sacked.

Bilic’s last 15 league games -19 points from 45!

We can’t sack him, we have to see it through but the bloke belongs in a studio with Gary Neville.

I hope we manage to stumble over the line because the money will help us longer term, particularly in uncertain times, but next season will be hard work and I’ve no confidence or faith he will be able to keep us up.

If we don’t go up we are in real trouble and I think we could see a real extended period of time in the championship.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 26, 2020, 09:53:06 PM
I’m going to repeat a point I made in the match thread....

Darren Moore’s last 15 league games - 25 points from 45 and sacked.

Bilic’s last 15 league games -19 points from 45!

We can’t sack him, we have to see it through but the bloke belongs in a studio with Gary Neville.

I hope we manage to stumble over the line because the money will help us longer term, particularly in uncertain times, but next season will be hard work and I’ve no confidence or faith he will be able to keep us up.

If we don’t go up we are in real trouble and I think we could see a real extended period of time in the championship.
well Bilic will be happy because he loves the championship.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Webby on June 26, 2020, 09:55:02 PM
Time to earn your money....

Mind you didn’t get get a 12m payout recently from the Saudi club
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: JMullen95 on June 26, 2020, 09:55:33 PM
Think I’ll give his usual post-match waffle a miss tonight
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie96 on June 26, 2020, 09:56:24 PM
Why is Grosicki not in the squad over Edwards? Fortunately when we don’t go up we will still have a semi decent championship squad next season, but the fact this squad isn’t miles clear is a joke imo. I’ve never known a championship team have this many options.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2020, 10:05:49 PM
Surely they will ask him about the lack of goals?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: GREGMT on June 26, 2020, 10:46:22 PM
Robinson I can see as a central striker  as he has played there before but I can't see the logic of playing Grosicki, who has spent his entire career as a winger, through the middle. Yes he has pace but that pace is better on the wing. We need players that can beat a man and put a cross in that's where Grosicki is most dangerous.
Phillips would be another option through the middle as he has played there before.

I agree that Krovinovic was much improved for the 12 games before shut down but before that he was very hit and miss. Used as part of a midfield 3 he has become effective. I just can't see him playing as a false 9 as you suggested.

HRK does score occasionally but he scores more occasionally than anyone else.

As you saw tonight we were far far better with HRK off and Krovinovic on.  I don't know what Bilic is doing?  Both HRK and Zohore were poor but at least the latter hit the bar.  By playing with a midfield 3 we disrupted their passing game and looked much better.  We are playing a striker for the sake of it.  The False 9 option is not as far fetched as you seem to think.  It's like picking a rubbish Spinner in a Test Match on a green top just because he's a Spinner instead of picking another Seamer who's more skilled.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on June 26, 2020, 11:01:53 PM
Whatever you say about Billic, at least he can't be accused of not trying to change things, when its not working. He tried just about all attacking options today, aside from Austin.
I can think of managers who wouldn't have made any subs until after 70 minutes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 26, 2020, 11:02:16 PM
As you saw tonight we were far far better with HRK off and Krovinovic on.  I don't know what Bilic is doing?  Both HRK and Zohore were poor but at least the latter hit the bar.  By playing with a midfield 3 we disrupted their passing game and looked much better.  We are playing a striker for the sake of it.  The False 9 option is not as far fetched as you seem to think.  It's like picking a rubbish Spinner in a Test Match on a green top just because he's a Spinner instead of picking another Seamer who's more skilled.
let's face it we haven't got a decent striker on our books unless we give Tulloc a run out.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 26, 2020, 11:02:37 PM
He has to change ideas and tactics, and stop being intransigent.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 26, 2020, 11:03:09 PM
let's face it we haven't got a decent striker on our books unless we give Tulloc a run out.


Hes not good enough either, seen him a few times.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 26, 2020, 11:06:09 PM
I posted the below in the 20th of Jan this year


Right then

I’m not sold on him.....not anti him, but like on any subject I try and be fair

The keeper is atrocious ....how can billic and the management team not see that ?

O’Shea ...came on when Bartley got injured(because Hegazi had made an issue) he played well, his reward was bombed out the squad next match, hegazi started

Barnsley away....that day we tried Krov, pereira Barry and sawyers out wide at different stages during the game.....he left Edwards and Phillips as unused subs

Today....after setting up 451 and you would assume that we trained mainly with this all week, the left winger goes off after a couple of mins
Do you
A) replace like for like because you have a fast left winger available
B) send on a striker who despite getting v lucky and scoring twice looks woefully short and scared off the ball?

If I thought about it I could write many many more.....he worries me.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dan87uk on June 26, 2020, 11:06:52 PM

Hes not good enough either, seen him a few times.

only striker banging them in at the moment is Morton on loan at Northampton  ;D
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 26, 2020, 11:15:40 PM
A nice man.Does that make him a god?We need someone who is a "bully" and make the players sit up, take notice, and do the job to which they were employed to do.A Hair dryer approach BEFORE the game. NO favourites (spelling).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 26, 2020, 11:46:18 PM
Has to fall on his sword.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2020, 11:50:34 PM
Has to fall on his sword.

Behave mate. We made that mistake last season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 26, 2020, 11:53:37 PM
Never really replaced jrod and Gayle and can see why Bilic was desperate to try and hold on to Rodriguez. No real strike force to speak of which is coming home to roost.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BalisPen on June 27, 2020, 01:12:31 AM
It is truly an amazing achievement to get us where we are with those strikers.

Never rated HRK, Austin should have been a loan and the timid Zohore, laughing as he came off the pitch tonight, is just a shockingly bad player with no evident attributes at all other than he remembers to breathe.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 27, 2020, 02:35:00 AM
It's a myth we have a squad that is too good or far better than  anybody 3lse in the league. Our keeper is poor and hasnt really approved however seems to be the best of a bad bunch.

Defensively were good at this level across all positions a lot of the goals we have conceded are more down to the gk than. The defensive unit. Midfield we are pretty well stocked and possibly have too many options. Up front we have nothing. Hrk has hit a career best which is 10 or whatever it is isn't really setting the world alright (this is probably the first time in his career he has been given 20+ games to lead the line and not be a winger or sub. Austin came in but largely has disappointed besides blues game. Zohore the less said the better

However we should still be competing at the top and we are. .y concern is billic doesnt really know his best team and when plan a isn't working he just changes personnel not the system. We ain't scored for 4 games and really needed something today and he didn't even go 2 up top and throw Austin on.

This is the first time I really would criticize the man.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on June 27, 2020, 07:36:34 AM
Before the blues game Bilic made a rallying call for 'exceptional performances' (think he was talking team performances) to make sure we get promoted this year. We clearly haven't had anything like even a pretty good performance from the first 2 games back.
Maybe it's best to make sure you do the basics and get the team shape and confidence back first ?
Great/exceptional team performances in any sport tend to come from everyone knowing their jobs, knowing the plan and then executing in a way that gets the confidence going....at the moment we look like a bunch of disjointed individuals who are not relaxed or confident in what they are doing.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 27, 2020, 07:52:41 AM
Bilic has addressed our poor defensive record - no doubt. Brentford beat us but Johnstone didn't have much to do outside of that. He's turned around poor form earlier in the season and I believe in him, he'll do it again.

As much as I like Furlong i think O'Shea should come back - he was part of that defence turning it around but also i think the right side needs addressing. Phillips has not done enough.

He needs to go back to the 433 that was working so well. Diangana needs to start on the right of the 3 pronged attack now fit and needs a few games to get his mojo back - he shown glimpses yesterday. Hopefully Grosicki is back soon.

I think we need to start with Austin - he can put chances away and is a great finisher as he's proven. He has 1 goal every 134 minutes for us - he deserves a chance and HRK is bang out of form. If not Austin then Robinson.

We just need to go back to what was working pre-covid with a few tweaks in attack.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 27, 2020, 09:00:25 AM
Bilic has addressed our poor defensive record - no doubt. Brentford beat us but Johnstone didn't have much to do outside of that. He's turned around poor form earlier in the season and I believe in him, he'll do it again.

As much as I like Furlong i think O'Shea should come back - he was part of that defence turning it around but also i think the right side needs addressing. Phillips has not done enough.

He needs to go back to the 433 that was working so well. Diangana needs to start on the right of the 3 pronged attack now fit and needs a few games to get his mojo back - he shown glimpses yesterday. Hopefully Grosicki is back soon.

I think we need to start with Austin - he can put chances away and is a great finisher as he's proven. He has 1 goal every 134 minutes for us - he deserves a chance and HRK is bang out of form. If not Austin then Robinson.

We just need to go back to what was working pre-covid with a few tweaks in attack.

I disagree. Ok we’ve not conceded as many recently, but we’ve not looked any better at the back when teams have attacked us. So I don’t think anything has changed, and it’s likely over a longer period our problems at the back will be clear again.

Even saying he turned around poor form is questionable, he stopped a horrific slide for a month but now we seem to be back in it, and the squad is too good to never have 3/4 game spells of good results in this division.

He may get us over the line, we still have a great chance and if we win Wednesday and Sunday things look better again, improving further if Brentford and Fulham drop some points. Longer term he isn’t inspiring me though and if we fail there’s no defending him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 27, 2020, 11:59:17 AM
I disagree. Ok we’ve not conceded as many recently, but we’ve not looked any better at the back when teams have attacked us. So I don’t think anything has changed, and it’s likely over a longer period our problems at the back will be clear again.

Even saying he turned around poor form is questionable, he stopped a horrific slide for a month but now we seem to be back in it, and the squad is too good to never have 3/4 game spells of good results in this division.

He may get us over the line, we still have a great chance and if we win Wednesday and Sunday things look better again, improving further if Brentford and Fulham drop some points. Longer term he isn’t inspiring me though and if we fail there’s no defending him.


Bilic would be a huge concern for me in the Premier League. If he sets us up the way he is doing we will get absolutely obliterated by a number of teams. Newly promoted clubs cannot go and try and out football Premier League teams with the abundance of quality those clubs have.

Wolves and Sheff Utd have done it right, both set up in a way to concede possession and then play off that. You have to be more aware of the opposition.

Bilic doesnt play that way. If he tries to do out play Man City I'm not watching that match I'll peep at the score through my fingers at full time.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: letmereadposts on June 27, 2020, 06:20:48 PM
Bilic has brought in good players (I acknowledge Ajayi and Furlong but Bilic is otherwise our chief scout) and at times brought great football. I don’t believe we can have asked for a stronger manager last summer. I still thank my lucky stars we didn’t get Alex Neil - if we had please remember no Pereira no Diangana and in all likelihood no top 2 position at this stage.

Bilic made a mistake yesterday with his starting line up and with his substitutions. He knows he got it wrong, we know he got it wrong and I expect (some) of those senior players from the starting line up know they let him down yesterday too.

I think some of the reactions have been over the top, as in my opinion the decisions made by Bilic in games this season have meant he’s gained way more points than he’s lost. I also believe it was good work in gelling this squad so soon at the beginning of the season. I also care about Albion’s reputation and appreciate what Bilic has done to repair the reputation of Albion (maybe I shouldn’t care so much about this but I do and I’m grateful Bilic took the job).

If we don’t hit the top two I’m not blaming Bilic. He and the club rebuilt massively imo  and if you disagree then 1- fair enough this is a forum and 2- I ask you to look at our squad for the first preseason game in the Summer.

Bilic needs to make some brave decisions now. I hope the management team consider a formation that encourages goals and a line up that tells poor performing players that if you don’t hit the standard you are out.

I am still 70% confident we will make the top two. To those who have been especially critical of yesterdays performance, whilst I understand the sentiment I would also say that if Brentford are that good do remember they only just beat us - we are still a very good team that is perfectly capable of winning our remaining games.

To those who doubt Bilic in the premiership well we need to get there first and frankly I would love to see Bilic manage this team in the prem. I think we’d surprise a lot of people including many of my fellow fans.

As a fan, considering our ‘form’ I would new ideas in our formation (2 up front, or maybe none - Phillips as CF- considering our actual strikers can’t score), a refresh in the midfield (Pereira and Diangana wide maybe with Krov starting in the middle) and I think this could help find a new way to surprise teams that have now worked us out.

It’s up to Bilic to be brave on this and I’m backing him. Feel free to pick holes in this but it’s how I’m feeling after yesterday.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: overseas baggie on June 27, 2020, 11:05:42 PM

Bilic would be a huge concern for me in the Premier League. If he sets us up the way he is doing we will get absolutely obliterated by a number of teams. Newly promoted clubs cannot go and try and out football Premier League teams with the abundance of quality those clubs have.

Wolves and Sheff Utd have done it right, both set up in a way to concede possession and then play off that. You have to be more aware of the opposition.

Bilic doesnt play that way. If he tries to do out play Man City I'm not watching that match I'll peep at the score through my fingers at full time.

Irrelevant - this squad would change massively if we go up, so he wouldn’t be setting up this team this way
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 27, 2020, 11:49:00 PM
What worries me is the lack of chances created in final third in the last four league games, haven't looked like scoring in any of them bar Zohore shot.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie38 on June 28, 2020, 08:12:15 AM
I wish people would stop banging on about the games before lock down which we didn't score in. Those games count for nothing now. We are effectively now playing in a mini tournament with no intense pre season. That Swansea game was three and a half months ago. It's completely different circumstances we are playing under now and with different prep. The way I look at these opening two games is the blues game we should of won but our passing was off in the final third and we looked leggy. First game back with it also being a Derby not easy then we travelled to the best side in the league who are high on confidence after beating Fulham last week that's without mentioning that only Brentford and Man City are the only clubs in the country who seem to of hit the ground running post lock down. We will get there... Just
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 28, 2020, 09:01:52 AM
I wish people would stop banging on about the games before lock down which we didn't score in. Those games count for nothing now. We are effectively now playing in a mini tournament with no intense pre season. That Swansea game was three and a half months ago. It's completely different circumstances we are playing under now and with different prep. The way I look at these opening two games is the blues game we should of won but our passing was off in the final third and we looked leggy. First game back with it also being a Derby not easy then we travelled to the best side in the league who are high on confidence after beating Fulham last week that's without mentioning that only Brentford and Man City are the only clubs in the country who seem to of hit the ground running post lock down. We will get there... Just

Of course they matter. Otherwise we’d be in the bottom 6.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on June 28, 2020, 11:34:16 AM
I think Bilic has done a great job so far. In my view the squad is nowhere near as good as people think. Yes we are blessed with plenty of wide attacking options but the spine of the side is very weak. Johnstone Bartley Livermore and HRK have been the mainstays in the side and all are average at best.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on June 28, 2020, 01:29:52 PM
I think Bilic has done a great job so far. In my view the squad is nowhere near as good as people think. Yes we are blessed with plenty of wide attacking options but the spine of the side is very weak. Johnstone Bartley Livermore and HRK have been the mainstays in the side and all are average at best.

I agree to an extent.

Bartley has has a good season, completely revitalised to last year under Moore. We've only lost one game this season with him playing, should not have been dropped. Bilic managed to get a tune out of HRK, got him playing way above his ability but that's has run its course. Livermore, Johnstone are average championship players on big wages they don't deserve.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 28, 2020, 01:43:14 PM
I agree to an extent.

Bartley has has a good season, completely revitalised to last year under Moore. We've only lost one game this season with him playing.


You are talking rubbish and that's not me being rude its fact.

We have lost 3 league games with Bartley starting

Leeds
Stoke
Cardiff

And one when he came on as sub for the injured Hegazi at 0-0

Wigan


If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest your facts straight.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 28, 2020, 01:48:36 PM

You are talking rubbish and that's not me being rude its fact.

We have lost 3 league games with Bartley starting

Leeds
Stoke
Cardiff

And one when he came on as sub for the injured Hegazi at 0-0

Wigan


If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest your facts straight.
That’s a bit angry.
I get the sentiment but , we have lost almost every match Hegazi has started , so even just on ratios Bartley comes out on top.
I also think he is much better this year than last....and would add that Semi always looks better next to Kyle (or at least less panicked)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 28, 2020, 01:50:13 PM

 we have lost almost every match Hegazi has started


Again, nonsense


Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on June 28, 2020, 01:50:40 PM
That’s a bit angry.
I get the sentiment but , we have lost almost every match Hegazi has started , so even just on ratios Bartley comes out on top.
I also think he is much better this year than last....and would add that Semi always looks better next to Kyle (or at least less panicked)

Thank you, Atomic, you need to learn some manners. No need to be so aggressive. The above post is spot on.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 28, 2020, 01:52:51 PM
Thank you, Atomic, you need to learn some manners. No need to be so aggressive. The above post is spot on.

What you said was rubbish, simple as that. If you don't want to be picked up for saying things that are factually untrue then check your facts.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 28, 2020, 01:53:01 PM

Again, nonsense
Are you in a bad mood today ...relax ...we can’t lose again until Wednesday .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 28, 2020, 01:54:14 PM
What you said was rubbish, simple as that. If you don't want to be picked up for saying things that are factually untrue then check your facts.
If you don’t want to be picked up about stuff ...start with dialect

If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest your facts straight
.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 28, 2020, 01:54:31 PM
Are you in a bad mood today ...relax ...we can’t lose again until Wednesday .


I am a bit. I always am when we lose. Usually lasts a couple of days then I'm ok again.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on June 28, 2020, 01:54:50 PM
What you said was rubbish, simple as that. If you don't want to be picked up for saying things that are factually untrue then check your facts.

You can point out the mistake in the post without launching in an abusive meltdown. The wider point remains that we lost more regularly with Hegazi playing and our best partnership this season has plainly been Ajayi with Bartley.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 28, 2020, 02:00:26 PM
You can point out the mistake in the post without launching in an abusive meltdown. The wider point remains that we lost more regularly with Hegazi playing and our best partnership this season has plainly been Ajayi with Bartley.


We've lost games because since around Christmas when Diangana was injured our front players haven't been creating or scoring goals. Nothing to do with centre backs.

It changed when Robinson came in we went 433 and looked outstanding.

Then Sawyers got suspended Bilic messed the midfield up changing two positions instead of one. Robinson went off the boil and we started failing to score again.

Now Bilic has completely lost it since the lockdown, bombing players out, changing the system and basically making a mess that didnt need making.

This is probably why I'm fed up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on June 28, 2020, 02:05:51 PM

We've lost games because since around Christmas when Diangana was injured our front players haven't been creating or scoring goals. Nothing to do with centre backs.

It changed when Robinson came in we went 433 and looked outstanding.

Then Sawyers got suspended Bilic messed the midfield up changing two positions instead of one. Robinson went off the boil and we started failing to score again.

Now Bilic has completely lost it since the lockdown, bombing players out, changing the system and basically making a mess that didnt need making.

This is probably why I'm fed up.

I agree, our inconsistency isn't down to one decision. The team selection post lock-down have been all wrong. I'm praying we can turn it around this week.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on June 28, 2020, 02:05:57 PM
Do you know what lads,I'm fed up with the excuses.
Put out an attacking team on Wednesday with Grosiki and Pereira on the wings and Robinson up top and krov at 10 then attack in all remaining games because if we start winning Brentford can't catch us
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on June 28, 2020, 02:07:11 PM
Do you know what lads,I'm fed up with the excuses.
Put out an attacking team on Wednesday with Grosiki and Pereira on the wings and Robinson up top and krov at 10 then attack in all remaining games because if we start winning Brentford can't catch us

That's the approach I would have liked to have seen against Birmingham. I felt like we played with the hand-brake on and was waiting for something to happen rather than forcing the issue.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on June 28, 2020, 02:07:16 PM
I agree, our inconsistency isn't down to one decision. The team selection post lock-down have been all wrong. I'm praying we can turn it around this week.


Me too mate. Massive two games coming up. Six points now would be enormous for us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on June 28, 2020, 02:51:39 PM
The last two teams selections haven’t been great but until we start playing with some tempo and start to move off the ball then it really doesn’t matter who we pick.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 29, 2020, 10:33:01 AM
Anyone know who are our fitness and conditioning coaches? Because Bilic needs to get answers on why his players look like there running on empty.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: rajesh-wba on June 29, 2020, 11:35:49 AM
Anyone know who are our fitness and conditioning coaches? Because Bilic needs to get answers on why his players look like there running on empty.

I believe our fitness coach is Nick Davies. Ex West Ham and Norwich. Funnily enough Gary O'Neill did make the comment that he was his "fittest" under Davies at Norwich.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tommcneill on June 29, 2020, 11:37:31 AM
I believe our fitness coach is Nick Davies. Ex West Ham and Norwich. Funnily enough Gary O'Neill did make the comment that he was his "fittest" under Davies at Norwich.

I was about to mention that snippet aswell

Supposed to be a good fitness coach.

I think if we win our next 2 we will go on a run
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on June 29, 2020, 01:00:58 PM
Has to fall on his sword.

Absolutely ridiculous statement.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 29, 2020, 01:19:53 PM
Thought he looked a bit frazzled Friday night, Suprised he kept the inept Phillips in team.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 29, 2020, 06:35:39 PM
People saying he looked "stressed" "frazzled" etc...doesn't he always look like that!?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: AlbionFan on June 29, 2020, 06:40:21 PM
People saying he looked "stressed" "frazzled" etc...doesn't he always look like that!?

Yes agreed, because he is totally absorbed in the game.

If you also watch him on pre and post match interviews, he can’t keep still as he is living the whole experience, good, bad and indifferent
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: SmethDan on June 29, 2020, 07:15:52 PM
People saying he looked "stressed" "frazzled" etc...doesn't he always look like that!?

I always get the feeling he'd look more comfortable with a fag on the go to be honest. That or looking at his next victim through the cross hairs of a sniper rifle. Very intense is our Slaven  ;D .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on June 29, 2020, 07:18:37 PM
People saying he looked "stressed" "frazzled" etc...doesn't he always look like that!?
not the way he looked against Brentford, like he new something was wrong. Saw him and said to the better half we ain't going to win this.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 29, 2020, 07:37:23 PM
I always get the feeling he'd look more comfortable with a fag on the go to be honest. That or looking at his next victim through the cross hairs of a sniper rifle. Very intense is our Slaven  ;D .
Hopefully he doesn’t pass the rifle on to the 11 “soilders” or them pigeons could be in trouble
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on June 30, 2020, 02:36:41 PM
not the way he looked against Brentford, like he new something was wrong. Saw him and said to the better half we ain't going to win this.

Were we not all watching it thinking that?! I don't understand the point here. The team clearly weren't performing and he looks uncomfortable - good?!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Webby on June 30, 2020, 07:34:07 PM
Huge pressure on him to get it right tomorrow. The gap is 2 points
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 30, 2020, 08:12:07 PM
Huge pressure on him to get it right tomorrow. The gap is 2 points
At the moment?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on June 30, 2020, 08:37:09 PM
Its Bilic job to get this team wound right up,read the riot act throw freezing cold water over them before they go out onto the pitch and at half time hairdryers etc.
Tell them to wake up from their slumber, were sleepwalking back into the chumps league ask them if they care about this proud club who pay them a fortune for that privilege shock them somehow he has to work some magic.
Hire catweazle now!!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on June 30, 2020, 10:24:34 PM
Its Bilic job to get this team wound right up,read the riot act throw freezing cold water over them before they go out onto the pitch and at half time hairdryers etc.
Tell them to wake up from their slumber, were sleepwalking back into the chumps league ask them if they care about this proud club who pay them a fortune for that privilege shock them somehow he has to work some magic.
Hire catweazle now!!
Sounds like he had words at a meeting today.

https://www.expressandstar.com/top-stories/sport/2020/06/29/slaven-bilic-demands-energy-desire-and-passion-from-west-brom/
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on June 30, 2020, 10:30:18 PM
He’s maintained that training, energy, fitness etc have been spot on since they returned to training. Tomorrow’s they must show it in a game.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Blowee on June 30, 2020, 10:59:45 PM
Its Bilic job to get this team wound right up,read the riot act throw freezing cold water over them before they go out onto the pitch and at half time hairdryers etc.
Tell them to wake up from their slumber, were sleepwalking back into the chumps league ask them if they care about this proud club who pay them a fortune for that privilege shock them somehow he has to work some magic.
Hire catweazle now!!
Too right - they certainly need waking up. Our players are paid a lot of money - far more than the opposition in this league. Sheffield Wednesday still owe their team wages this month. I hope our ‘stars’ are aware of how fortunate they are when they put the shirt on tomorrow night. They shouldn’t need reminding of that!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 30, 2020, 11:09:59 PM
As has been said. He has to wake them up and motivate them. They have been strolling around like it is just a formality for them to go out on the pitch and do bugga all and get a result. Water board them if need be, to shock them to realise that they are not doing what that are expected to do. (Not water board in the true essence lol).
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 01, 2020, 12:22:04 AM
He’s maintained that training, energy, fitness etc have been spot on since they returned to training. Tomorrow’s they must show it in a game.
well that's a load of bull just hope he's saying that to media and rollocking his fitness staff and player's for being out of shape. HAIR DRYER treatment needed Mr Bilic. Make them run till they puke.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: colinmax on July 01, 2020, 06:32:20 AM
football managers amaze me when they can not see that a player is playing poorly for weeks and virtually all the fans can.
Most of our fans would say that Phillips has not been worth a place basically since about October and certainly since the turn of the year yet Bilic keeps picking him.
It has got to the stage that local radio when announcing the team for the Blues and Brentford matches have said the major surprise is that Phillips has been selected.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on July 01, 2020, 07:22:37 AM
Phillips needs dropping, and someone needs to be pushed forward in the middle of the pitch to support HRK, I can't think of anyone except Krovinovic really.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 01, 2020, 08:22:42 AM
football managers amaze me when they can not see that a player is playing poorly for weeks and virtually all the fans can.



Happens all the time doesnt it? There are that many examples going back in time. Almost always the fans end up being right. Some of the time it ends up in a manager losing his job. Don't think that'll be the case in this instance though.

Bilic is picking "favourites" at the moment which is obvious because he's leaving players out that have not deserved leaving out. Some of the players he's picking he is NOT picking because they've earned it through performances nor did the teams results dictate  it.

It cant be doing the morale of some of the players any good and that can have a knock on effect throughout the squad.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on July 01, 2020, 08:57:49 AM

Happens all the time doesnt it? There are that many examples going back in time. Almost always the fans end up being right. Some of the time it ends up in a manager losing his job. Don't think that'll be the case in this instance though.

Bilic is picking "favourites" at the moment which is obvious because he's leaving players out that have not deserved leaving out. Some of the players he's picking he is NOT picking because they've earned it through performances nor did the teams results dictate  it.

It cant be doing the morale of some of the players any good and that can have a knock on effect throughout the squad.
We haven't been very good but we've only had two games. Bilic does get to see the players day in day out which we don't and sees how fit or unfit they are after lockdown and sees what they are putting in and producing on the training pitch. That is probably the reason he has Edwards in front of Grosicki at the moment for example. We need to see what is produced tonight and where we go over the next 2 or 3 games.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on July 01, 2020, 09:17:47 AM
That's all well and good over a whole season but 2 out of 9 is a huge percentage after tonights game 33:3% of our mini season has passed us by.
Its not good enough we know it the players should know it and the coaches know it so sort it!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on July 01, 2020, 09:39:52 AM
We haven't been very good but we've only had two games. Bilic does get to see the players day in day out which we don't and sees how fit or unfit they are after lockdown and sees what they are putting in and producing on the training pitch. That is probably the reason he has Edwards in front of Grosicki at the moment for example. We need to see what is produced tonight and where we go over the next 2 or 3 games.
We don't have 2 or 3 games though mate. Brentford are relentless at the minute so we need to stay ahead of them and that means winning games. We can't play not to lose and hope for the best.
If players are flattering to deceive in training then Bilic needs to see that and pick a team that has the desire, experience and know how to win by whatever means possible.

Austin may not be technically as good as others, but he knows where the goal is. He comes in for me, even if we have to modify our approach a little bit.
Grosicki is direct, can cross a ball, take set pieces and is not scared to shoot. He should be in.
Krov is technically our best CM who can open doors and link the midfield to the forward line. He should be in.

Most important change though has to be 4-3-3, it's by far our most positive option.

I'm going to lay it on the line, in that, I don't think Bilic can survive failing from this position, forget the 2 year plan, that will go out the window if we blow this, so he needs to get a grip quickly. It's time to take a few risks.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiejohn on July 01, 2020, 09:42:40 AM
We haven't been very good but we've only had two games. Bilic does get to see the players day in day out which we don't and sees how fit or unfit they are after lockdown and sees what they are putting in and producing on the training pitch. That is probably the reason he has Edwards in front of Grosicki at the moment for example. We need to see what is produced tonight and where we go over the next 2 or 3 games.

I agree.

If it really was just about fitness & what they produce on the training pitch, we'd all be able to do the job & the club wouldn't need to pay coaches millions of pounds a year.

Surely, it's about selecting a team that can perform best against the opposition.

Taking advantages of their weaknesses & negating their threats.

I'm not sure if the club are able to send anybody to matches at the moment, so it might be they are having to gain intelligence from TV games.

I'm expecting a different approach tonight, think SB might surprise us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiejohn on July 01, 2020, 09:51:01 AM
We don't have 2 or 3 games though mate. Brentford are relentless at the minute so we need to stay ahead of them and that means winning games. We can't play not to lose and hope for the best.

How would you feel if you were a Brentford player, playing out of your skin & got within 2 points of WBA, only to see them win at Sheffield Wednesday & put 5 points between us, so they now have to win 2 more games than us with only 6 games left?

Think I'd be gutted.

I think that's the dressing room speech I'd be making tonight.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on July 01, 2020, 09:57:10 AM
We don't have 2 or 3 games though mate. Brentford are relentless at the minute so we need to stay ahead of them and that means winning games. We can't play not to lose and hope for the best.
If players are flattering to deceive in training then Bilic needs to see that and pick a team that has the desire, experience and know how to win by whatever means possible.

Austin may not be technically as good as others, but he knows where the goal is. He comes in for me, even if we have to modify our approach a little bit.
Grosicki is direct, can cross a ball, take set pieces and is not scared to shoot. He should be in.
Krov is technically our best CM who can open doors and link the midfield to the forward line. He should be in.

Most important change though has to be 4-3-3, it's by far our most positive option.

I'm going to lay it on the line, in that, I don't think Bilic can survive failing from this position, forget the 2 year plan, that will go out the window if we blow this, so he needs to get a grip quickly. It's time to take a few risks.
I totally agree with you on the 4-3-3, and also with Krov in the CM/AM link role. There will have been words since the Brentford game and we'll hope to see a big reaction tonight and ongoing.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: colinmax on July 01, 2020, 10:41:26 AM
did Bilic have a say in our January signings?
Peltier has not played at all has he?
Absi??I can understand just as cover.
Grosicki inexplicably did not play in first match he was available and has started very few if any games
Robinson was excellent for 1st half of his debut and acceptable in the 2nd half but since then appears very lightweight like Jacob Murphy did last year.
I am not impressed if he did have a say and if he didn't why not?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on July 01, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
did Bilic have a say in our January signings?
Peltier has not played at all has he?
Absi??I can understand just as cover.
Grosicki inexplicably did not play in first match he was available and has started very few if any games
Robinson was excellent for 1st half of his debut and acceptable in the 2nd half but since then appears very lightweight like Jacob Murphy did last year.
I am not impressed if he did have a say and if he didn't why not?
Peltier was always a short term cover signing due to the Ferguson situation. Think you are being a bit unkind on Robinson - he did well overall in his first 4 or 5 games I'd say. Played a big part in getting us out of our mid season slump with his directness - has tailed off a bit though with the rest of 'em.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 01, 2020, 10:52:50 AM
How would you feel if you were a Brentford player, playing out of your skin & got within 2 points of WBA, only to see them win at Sheffield Wednesday & put 5 points between us, so they now have to win 2 more games than us with only 6 games left?

Think I'd be gutted.

I think that's the dressing room speech I'd be making tonight.

I don’t know about ‘gutted’ but I think it’s fair to say the Brentford players will be a little flatter tonight if we win. It’s human nature.

On the other hand, you can imagine the excitement amongst their players if we lose, the banter in the group WhatsApp’s, the smiles in training at thought of going second on Saturday and twisting the screw further. I’ve said this numerous times over the years, momentum in sport is huge.

If we don’t win tonight, I honestly think Brentford will pip us. A win is great for us, and also may just take some wind from their sales.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on July 01, 2020, 11:09:29 AM
I don’t know about ‘gutted’ but I think it’s fair to say the Brentford players will be a little flatter tonight if we win. It’s human nature.

On the other hand, you can imagine the excitement amongst their players if we lose, the banter in the group WhatsApp’s, the smiles in training at thought of going second on Saturday and twisting the screw further. I’ve said this numerous times over the years, momentum in sport is huge.

If we don’t win tonight, I honestly think Brentford will pip us. A win is great for us, and also may just take some wind from their sales.
Brentford could run out as Champions! Leeds look more fallible at present.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiejohn on July 01, 2020, 11:50:15 AM
Brentford could run out as Champions! Leeds look more fallible at present.

If we win tonight, Brentford would need to win 2 games more than us or Leeds for automatic, with 6 games left.

It's really in our hands tonight.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: tuamigos on July 01, 2020, 12:04:20 PM
I really hope we hit the mother lode tonight and our season takes off for the last few games.
We've been top two all season and if we ended up in the playoffs I think that would kill us.
On a brighter note, a win tonight would assure us of a play off place  ???
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 01, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
I really hope we hit the mother lode tonight and our season takes off for the last few games.
We've been top two all season and if we ended up in the playoffs I think that would kill us.
On a brighter note, a win tonight would assure us of a play off place  ???
If Grady is indeed injured , and he does not pick Grosicki then he needs locking up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Barrington on July 01, 2020, 03:42:19 PM
It shouldn't even be debatable whether Bilic should survive this season if he doesn't get us promoted from this position. It would be a massive failure which we couldn't at all risk repeating for another season and he would simply have to leave.

We've again this season relied on having better individual players and a bigger budget than most of the clubs in the league to keep us around the top of the table. We have not even been playing a good brand of football of which you can look at and see a vast improvement and a way forward for the future. Countless first halves of games have been very poor and we have just relied on a bit of quality to nick us some points in the second half. Some team choices have in my opinion been poor and he has also been reluctant to rest players who quite clearly could have done with replacing as their form was poor and we had the squad depth to give someone else a run of games.

However, and surprisingly, we're still in the top 2. Make no mistake though, to screw it up from here would not be worthy of another chance next season. It's time to prove me and some others wrong, because I'm just not convinced we're that good under Bilic.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on July 01, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
I would not be one of those clamouring for Billic's departure if we don't get promotion, unless there is some outstanding replacement waiting in the wings. And I'm not holding my breath about that.
Almost everyone was praising the football under Billic this season until a few weeks ago. The football is on the front foot rather than safety first, and we have seen some genuine flair players for the first time in years. Players like Pereira, Dianga, Ajayi would probably not have arrived, nor someone like Ferguson getting his chance. In fact,  you'd have to go a long way back to see such exciting football (Atkinson?) at the Albion.
Also, he doesn't dither about making subs when its not working in games. Not one of those managers who waits until the 75th minute.
Also, Billic commands the respect of the players. Previous managers may have been 'liked', but that is different from being respected.
I still think we have 60/40 chance of being promoted. However, if we do stay in the Championship, I'm sceptical about the club being able to attract a better manager.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 01, 2020, 04:15:50 PM
If we don't finish top two, and then lose in the play-offs, I would understand if he went. I wouldn't be calling for him to go, but I would be very conflicted given the points advantage we had back in December.

The football is better than we've had in years, but I would argue we haven't seen the best of it since we beat Swansea 5-1 in early December. The cohesion has gone, and we no longer zip the ball about as well. Brentford on Friday looked like the best team in the division, and we will need to get back to what we were doing - or even just grind out some points - to keep us ahead.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 01, 2020, 05:16:32 PM
I find this discussion very frustrating, when I recall the atmosphere around the club which built to whatever the opposite of a crescendo is, prior to slav.  The dire football, the lack of comms, the loss of pride we all felt. The premiership cash is paramount BUT

We are WBAFC, we are not like the Vile wittonites, we should be supporting our club not looking for reasons to get rid.

We don't have to be happy clappers but we can be realistic in that,
the football has been "ok to good",
the results have fallen off but we are still second,
we have no divine rights to anything (like the vile),
The fat lady hasn't even had a gargle yet,

lets get a grip lads please,
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on July 01, 2020, 05:26:07 PM
Bilic said it was a 2 year plan for promotion so if we fail this year, then so what? It'll be disappointing but that's all.  We've had a terrifically entertaining season.  And if it wasn't for the long break with covid then I don't think there's much doubt we'd have finished top 2.  Not every team would return from that and hit the ground running - Leeds are struggling too. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on July 01, 2020, 05:45:25 PM
Bilic isn't perfect but the fact that were sitting top of the league a week ago with probably one of the worst forward lines we've ever had then credit where it is due. The players need to look at themselves and take some responsibility now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: letmereadposts on July 01, 2020, 09:59:00 PM
Slaven the brave. Credit where it is due. 5 changes away in poor form takes guts as does dropping your captain at this stage. Positive, brave and necessary decisions made by our boss today.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Webby on July 01, 2020, 10:00:05 PM
Made the changes that most people said we needed so fair play
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: mulliganstired on July 01, 2020, 10:24:39 PM
I suppose it was logical to go for a cagey selection first 2 games back, but with our best footballers on the pitch tonight we looked pretty good, so that should be the plan now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 01, 2020, 11:44:09 PM
Showed big cojones today with that team selection.  Bombing out the captain and the top scorer. Was definitely needed though and we should move forward with this team selection as the basis. On tonight's showing Harper wouldn't be missed and the 3 wingers, Diangana, Robinson and Grosicki are interchangeable.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 02, 2020, 12:23:57 AM
It shouldn't even be debatable whether Bilic should survive this season if he doesn't get us promoted from this position. It would be a massive failure which we couldn't at all risk repeating for another season and he would simply have to leave.

We've again this season relied on having better individual players and a bigger budget than most of the clubs in the league to keep us around the top of the table. We have not even been playing a good brand of football of which you can look at and see a vast improvement and a way forward for the future. Countless first halves of games have been very poor and we have just relied on a bit of quality to nick us some points in the second half. Some team choices have in my opinion been poor and he has also been reluctant to rest players who quite clearly could have done with replacing as their form was poor and we had the squad depth to give someone else a run of games.

However, and surprisingly, we're still in the top 2. Make no mistake though, to screw it up from here would not be worthy of another chance next season. It's time to prove me and some others wrong, because I'm just not convinced we're that good under Bilic.

A very accurate reflection of my own feelings. Thanks for writing this post.

When I look at the bigger picture I’m left feeling worried. Bilic aside, if we don’t get promoted we’re stuck languishing in the Championship with owner(s) who simply don’t have the clubs best interests at heart and don’t put their hands in their pocket(s). If we do get promoted, we’re stuck with owner(s) who will continue to lean onto our clubs Premier League status in an attempt to endorse their other business holdings. Again, money will not be forth-coming and this team will need strengthening if we’re to stay up.

I feel we’re more likely to be put up for sale by Yunyi Guokai Sports Development Limited if we are promoted so they can recoup as much of their money as possible. And that’s still a massive IF which would take time. I don’t see Yunyi Guokai Sports Development Limited parting company with the Albion if we’re still stuck in the Championship.

If we’re promoted at the end of the season I can assure you we won’t get away with the above issues raised in Barrington’s post. We’ve been very, very fortunate until now and I pray this luck prevails enough to see us automatically promoted because much bigger challenges lie ahead for our club!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Barrington on July 02, 2020, 05:43:49 AM
Thanks PartisanBaggie. I would like to point out however that I was pleased Bilic was brave enough to make some well needed changes last night and we got the job done. We can now learn from last nights performance and carry some of those players into the upcoming matches.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lewisant on July 02, 2020, 08:49:17 AM
Big credit to the big man for last night! Excellent changes. Bartley for Ajayi the only one to raise an eyebrow but seems like Bartley played ok!

Really glad he dropped Livermore and HRK. Hope he continues to be brave and as Jacko said the three wingers are interchangeable, maybe Grosicki gets a chance from the start against his former employers this weekend...
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 02, 2020, 08:50:54 AM
I think we will find out today Diangana has a pull, he looked in pain as he left his seat on 90mins.

Step forward Kamil Grosicki
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Adder on July 02, 2020, 09:30:06 AM
Bilic does seem to recognise when words have to be said....as in communal team kick up the backside. He wasn't happy after Brentford and it's reported he had a meeting with the team on Monday when no doubt there'll have been a drains up. He did similar early in the season.

I think all the lockdown talk and rumours about how Leeds and ourselves would be promoted if no further games were possible, may have got into a few minds and once we found ourselves playing matches again we forgot the intensity levels that are needed.

Important to follow up now with further improvement on Sunday.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: saml30 on July 02, 2020, 10:07:29 AM
I think we will find out today Diangana has a pull, he looked in pain as he left his seat on 90mins.

Step forward Kamil Grosicki

Also seemed to take an absolute age to walk around the pitch and back to the bench
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 08:27:04 PM
If we are to fail this season and Bilic is sacked then I suggest next season we will struggle with the vast majority of decent players moving on.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2020, 08:30:27 PM
IF we don't go up this season Bilic will go nowhere. We will bring in a decent striker or two and strengthen in one or two areas and we will run away with this league next season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 08:40:01 PM
IF we don't go up this season Bilic will go nowhere. We will bring in a decent striker or two and strengthen in one or two areas and we will run away with this league next season.

That’s pipe-dream stuff Atomic. The owner(s) won’t sanction those signings and I think our parachute payments will have all been used.

January 2020 was the crucial time to bring in another striker. It was evident HRK, Chaz and Big Ken weren’t going to score enough goals.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 11, 2020, 08:42:07 PM
If we are to fail this season and Bilic is sacked then I suggest next season we will struggle with the vast majority of decent players moving on.

There is no chance of Bilic being sacked. Only a handful of the most mentalist of Albion fans have suggested that should / would walk if we don't get promoted this season. Sad indictment of the modern football fan mentality and a view that is totally alien to most the fan base.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
That’s pipe-dream stuff Atomic. The owner(s) won’t sanction those signings and I think our parachute payments will have all been used.

January 2020 was the crucial time to bring in another striker. It was evident HRK, Chaz and Big Ken weren’t going to score enough goals.


Wait and see.

You're not going to get any decent striker in January.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 08:45:34 PM
That’s pipe-dream stuff Atomic. The owner(s) won’t sanction those signings and I think our parachute payments will have all been used.

January 2020 was the crucial time to bring in another striker. It was evident HRK, Chaz and Big Ken weren’t going to score enough goals.

Why would you think we would be better off without Bilic should we fail to secure promotion.

Personally I could only see us replace him with a second rate manager who won’t have the ability to improve the squad.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 08:47:19 PM
There is no chance of Bilic being sacked. Only a handful of the most mentalist of Albion fans have suggested that should / would walk if we don't get promoted this season. Sad indictment of the modern football fan mentality and a view that is totally alien to most the fan base.

Again I hope you are correct if we don’t gain promotion. My concern is the vocal minority often get their wish.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 11, 2020, 08:48:25 PM
Again I hope you are correct if we don’t gain promotion. My concern is the vocal minority often get their wish.

I've not seen anyone say they WANT him to go?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 08:48:28 PM

Wait and see.

You're not going to get any decent striker in January.

Another option would’ve been useful. Let us not forget that Big Ken doesn’t even get in the match day squad half the time. Being able to have two strikers on the bench is helpful!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 08:49:51 PM
I've not seen anyone say they WANT him to go?

I have seen a fair few on twitter to be honest.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 11, 2020, 08:52:02 PM
I have seen a fair few on twitter to be honest.

Really? Think that's call for the unfollow button.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 08:53:35 PM
Really? Think that's call for the unfollow button.

Not people I follow, simply searching #wba
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 08:54:48 PM
I've not seen anyone say they WANT him to go?

Other than asking him to be given the boot after Brentford away (and that was said literally moments after the game had ended on Sky Sports) I’m not leading a vocal minority to see him sacked. I’m pointing out we really shouldn’t be in this position and think it’s okay to accept it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 08:57:14 PM
Other than asking him to be given the boot after Brentford away (and that was said literally moments after the game had ended on Sky Sports) I’m not leading a vocal minority to see him sacked. I’m pointing out we really shouldn’t be in this position and think it’s okay to accept it.

Agreed we shouldn’t be in this position, however let’s assume we don’t make it this season there is no logic to replacing Bilic.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 11, 2020, 08:57:56 PM

Wait and see.

You're not going to get any decent striker in January.

I bet if anyone said at Christmas we wouldn’t go up, you’d have said wait and see. Same as at the beginning of the restart.

Personally my long term confidence in Bilic will be gone if we fail, and it’s not going to be high if we are promoted if I’m honest.

Next season will only be a tougher challenge and I don’t think he will be sacked/leave, but I don’t see why he will do any better. He will probably have a decent budget by championship standards though (funded by Pereira’s possible revolving door) so should battle for the play offs.

 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
Agreed we shouldn’t be in this position, however let’s assume we don’t make it this season there is no logic to replacing Bilic.

Aztech what would Bilic do differently next season? Personally I see us languishing, with or without him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 09:10:32 PM
Aztech what would Bilic do differently next season? Personally I see us languishing, with or without him.

With a years experience of the championship I believe he would see certain things differently.

What’s more to the point I believe the type of players we could secure would be better quality with Bilic in charge than a run of the mill championship manager who we would likely replace him with.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Topman on July 11, 2020, 09:15:51 PM
With a years experience of the championship I believe he would see certain things differently.

What’s more to the point I believe the type of players we could secure would be better quality with Bilic in charge than a run of the mill championship manager who we would likely replace him with.




I tend to agree. All this talk that we’ll fade into obscurity if we don’t go up is unreal. As Brentford have shown you need a clever transfer policy and some good kids. Neither they or shef u last year had parachute payments etc. We need to leave Bilic in charge of the worst happens and let him build
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
With a years experience of the championship I believe he would see certain things differently.

What’s more to the point I believe the type of players we could secure would be better quality with Bilic in charge than a run of the mill championship manager who we would likely replace him with.

He couldn’t bring Dwight home despite trying in the summer window and the January window, who was barely getting game time at Newcastle. He may not be able to bring in a rough-diamond Croat or an under-the-radar West Ham player on loan next season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 09:25:09 PM
He couldn’t bring Dwight home despite trying in the summer window and the January window, who was barely getting game time at Newcastle. He may not be able to bring in a rough-diamond Croat or an under-the-radar West Ham player on loan next season.

I honestly believe given his name and history in the game he is more likely to secure the type of player we need than the likes of Rowett, Harrison, Johnson etc The type of manager we would likely replace him with.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 09:25:53 PM



I tend to agree. All this talk that we’ll fade into obscurity if we don’t go up is unreal. As Brentford have shown you need a clever transfer policy and some good kids. Neither they or shef u last year had parachute payments etc. We need to leave Bilic in charge of the worst happens and let him build

Brentford are a well run club who have kids with footballing brains. Sheffield United are a highly organised team who understand what it takes to get results.

We’re neither.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Topman on July 11, 2020, 09:26:54 PM
Brentford are a well run club who have kids with footballing brains. Sheffield United are a highly organised team who understand what it takes to get results.

We’re neither.



Well harsh that is
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 09:27:43 PM
Brentford are a well run club who have kids with footballing brains. Sheffield United are a highly organised team who understand what it takes to get results.

We’re neither.

I disagree, I believe in general we are a well run club.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on July 11, 2020, 09:29:00 PM
Brentford are a well run club who have kids with footballing brains. Sheffield United are a highly organised team who understand what it takes to get results.

We’re neither.

I agree. We’ve lost our way and our 2010 ways. I think it’s been since Peace left.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 09:29:47 PM
I honestly believe given his name and history in the game he is more likely to secure the type of player we need than the likes of Rowett, Harrison, Johnson etc The type of manager we would likely replace him with.

The money still has to be there to pay these players wages because they’ll be coming in on loan - which quite frankly we’re too heavily reliant upon. Mandarin Jeremy isn’t going to put his hand in his pocket, that’s for sure!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 09:32:26 PM
The money still has to be there to pay these players wages because they’ll be coming in on loan - which quite frankly we’re too heavily reliant upon. Mandarin Jeremy isn’t going to put his hand in his pocket, that’s for sure!

Money will always be an issue, that said I’d back Bilic to bring in young continental players who cost far less than average British players.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Topman on July 11, 2020, 09:32:38 PM
Covid may help us if we don’t go up regarding losing players. Money is going to be tighter for all clubs, so I don’t expect anywhere near the kind of business done as in previous years
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 09:33:07 PM
I agree. We’ve lost our way and our 2010 ways. I think it’s been since Peace left.

Until Peace lost interest, wanted to cash in. But yeah totally bang on the money BB74.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 11, 2020, 09:35:44 PM
Covid may help us if we don’t go up regarding losing players. Money is going to be tighter for all clubs, so I don’t expect anywhere near the kind of business done as in previous years

Other than Pereira, I don’t see a huge clamour for any of the players we own.  Keeping most of them won’t be a problem.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 11, 2020, 09:38:37 PM
Other than Pereira, I don’t see a huge clamour for any of the players we own.  Keeping most of them won’t be a problem.

Good, simply need to shift Kanu, Zohore, Townsend, Bartley etc
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 11, 2020, 09:47:50 PM
Good, simply need to shift Kanu, Zohore, Townsend, Bartley etc

I honestly think Zohore will see out his contact here. I’d be surprised if we are able to move any of the others one this next window either
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 10:00:06 PM
I honestly think Zohore will see out his contact here. I’d be surprised if we are able to move any of the others one this next window either

Bad, bad buy Big Ken was...although I very much doubt Cardiff will see the whole £&million given performance-related clauses will be in his contract.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 11, 2020, 10:01:43 PM
Slaven has to stay, but he also has to learn when and when NOT to substitute players. As someone else said on a different board... If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggie79 on July 11, 2020, 10:02:27 PM
I cant think of any manager who would realistacally come here that is better than Bilic, its fine saying he will go but for who? For me we are so lucky to have him and I cant believe he is even being questioned before his first season has even finished.

Also the likes of MP and FK would never have been here without his reputation.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 10:22:05 PM
I cant think of any manager who would realistacally come here that is better than Bilic, its fine saying he will go but for who? For me we are so lucky to have him and I cant believe he is even being questioned before his first season has even finished.

Also the likes of MP and FK would never have been here without his reputation.

My concern is there may not be an MP to bail us out the **** next season. Without MP we wouldn’t be where we are in the table today.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: beechyboy90 on July 11, 2020, 10:30:07 PM
Overachieved as is by his scouting of good wingers and attacking midfielders krovonovic periera diangana etc.

We have one of the weakest strike forces in the league and a pretty average keeper. How we have even got in the running for the title and promotion with charlie Austin and HRK as our main strikers.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 11, 2020, 10:36:19 PM
HRK a striker? He has one good try about every 10 matches.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 11, 2020, 10:40:57 PM
Overachieved as is by his scouting of good wingers and attacking midfielders krovonovic periera diangana etc.

We have one of the weakest strike forces in the league and a pretty average keeper. How we have even got in the running for the title and promotion with charlie Austin and HRK as our main strikers.

Exactly, excellent effort to be in the running for automatic promotion all season, particularly with so much turnover of the playing squad and all of last season's goals from Barnes, Gayle and J-Rod being taken out of the team. Now of course we need to keep our mettle and get across the line. Nothing really matters apart from Tuesday. Draw or win and then we can win the last two. It's going be a very nervous 11 days potentially. Thank god the games are coming thick and fast.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 11, 2020, 11:00:17 PM
Exactly, excellent effort to be in the running for automatic promotion all season, particularly with so much turnover of the playing squad and all of last season's goals from Barnes, Gayle and J-Rod being taken out of the team. Now of course we need to keep our mettle and get across the line. Nothing really matters apart from Tuesday. Draw or win and then we can win the last two. It's going be a very nervous 11 days potentially. Thank god the games are coming thick and fast.

Yeah it’s been a real big positive, the fixtures come around so quickly. Doesn’t leave too much time to dwell on the previous result. Fulham at home on Tuesday is now the biggest game of the season. I hope it’ll along be remembered for the right reasons, fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 11, 2020, 11:03:05 PM
He hasn’t failed yet and let’s hope we don’t. However if we dont get top two, let’s not make out like getting close will be some grand achievement.

Throwing away such a great advantage will be a disaster and a massive failure. Our form since December has been awful.

We haven’t dropped points because teams have better players or ability (in most cases) and if we had that would be ok. .

We’ve dropped points because of things the manager should be affecting. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: sayer3 on July 12, 2020, 02:51:58 AM
Yeah it’s been a real big positive, the fixtures come around so quickly. Doesn’t leave too much time to dwell on the previous result. Fulham at home on Tuesday is now the biggest game of the season. I hope it’ll along be remembered for the right reasons, fingers crossed.

Bilic is as good a manager we could get in this division if we don’t go up we should 100% keep him
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie38 on July 12, 2020, 04:35:32 AM
For all his fantastic tactical decisions he seriously drops some clangers. Now is the time for him to earn his wage.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 12, 2020, 07:55:40 AM
He hasn’t failed yet and let’s hope we don’t. However if we dont get top two, let’s not make out like getting close will be some grand achievement.

Throwing away such a great advantage will be a disaster and a massive failure. Our form since December has been awful.

We haven’t dropped points because teams have better players or ability (in most cases) and if we had that would be ok. .

We’ve dropped points because of things the manager should be affecting.
Totally agree, however the minute you question him you are accused of being short sighted, wanting him out  and asked “who’s better”
I think he’s ok....but he’s made and repeated some clear errors....we have had more than enough opportunity to have this all sorted with games to spare.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 12, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Totally agree, however the minute you question him you are accused of being short sighted, wanting him out  and asked “who’s better”
I think he’s ok....but he’s made and repeated some clear errors....we have had more than enough opportunity to have this all sorted with games to spare.

Bilic is not beyond criticism however the question “who’s better” is always relevant, and more to the point who that’s an improvement is likely to want to join.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 12, 2020, 09:21:57 AM
Bilic is not beyond criticism however the question “who’s better” is always relevant, and more to the point who that’s an improvement is likely to want to join.

The "who's better" question is a bit crappy really, it's relative and it comes down to opinion and interpretation.

I'm sure it could be argued that Daniel Farke, Chris Wilder, Thomas Frank (three examples) would all have been lower down the list of potential head coaches than Slaven Bilic at the start of the previous season but I'm sure fans of their respective clubs will argue they are "better".

I've never once said Bilic should be sacked but there does seem to be some sort of fear amongst some of our fans about life without him.

That fear is irrational, there are others around that can succeed with us just like there are better footballers in the world than Matheus Pereira.

I think fans can be insular in their thoughts at times.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 12, 2020, 09:29:47 AM
We moan about lack of player loyalty and then don't apply those same principles elsewhere, Slav is on a two year contract to get us promoted and that's what he should have.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbako on July 12, 2020, 09:56:42 AM
I have been behind Slaven from day 1 and I still am to this day. For me, he is more than just what happens on the pitch - it's his leadership and philosophy. He is someone I believe in and the players do too.

The fact he continues to play sub-standard players in Bartley and Kanu is a shame, but no-one is perfect ay.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wba1993dave on July 12, 2020, 10:23:56 AM
Slav has done a fantastic job. Don't forget Bielsa and Frank have had a year head start.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 12, 2020, 10:24:15 AM
I don't know what to think. I read the post match comments and player threads and the players seem to be terrible. I read this thread and the coach who has somehow managed to guide them to 2nd place in the league doesn't know what he is doing.

Is Bilic beyond criticism? No. Is everything that happens on the pitch his fault? No. However this season turns out could things have been worse? Absolutely.

Going forward is Bilic the right man for the job?  That depends on what the job is. If we get promoted and you want to stay in the Premier League at all costs then sack him the day after we get promotion. Recruit an arch pragmatist and tool up the squad for a deep sitting block get rid of those players that want the ball and get some absolute beasts in.

Bilic has always been a high variance coach. Look at West Ham under Bilic but also look at West Ham post Bilic the dial has barely moved. I am guessing that West Ham under Bilic might have been more likely to be relegated but watching them scratch their way to 30 odd points under Moyes is torture. 

   
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smethwickw on July 12, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
Bilic has done very well this season. Yes he got the subs completely wrong yesterday but you have to blame poor finishing for not winning the game. A decent striker in this side and we’d have been promoted by now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 12, 2020, 11:29:46 AM
Bilic has done very well this season. Yes he got the subs completely wrong yesterday but you have to blame poor finishing for not winning the game. A decent striker in this side and we’d have been promoted by now.

If Diangana hadn't miskicked an air shot with open goal we would have won 2-1 and Bilic would have been hailed for his substitution. Bilic has done an amazing job getting a tune out of very average players like HRK. We have also played a lot of good football and scored a lot of goals, without having a quality striker to call on. Going into the season we weren't favourites for an automatic place. Let's pray we play well and get the breaks on Tuesday - we need a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on July 12, 2020, 03:14:45 PM
I would not consider replacing him, whether we go up or not. He’s is being criticised for poor substitutions yesterday, maybe they were. For me this is not the point about yesterday. Look no further than the 5 clear misses the team shared yesterday for the reason we didn’t win. I would also argue that a draw was not a bad result. I think the man has done very well, especially since we lost almost 60 goals from the team that’s still failed last year (Gayle, JRod and Barnes)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 12, 2020, 04:36:07 PM
I actually think that Slaven has put too much pressure on himself, think he should take a day off and let his coaching staff take training come back refreshed and focused for Fulham.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 12, 2020, 09:23:38 PM
Bilic is not beyond criticism however the question “who’s better” is always relevant, and more to the point who that’s an improvement is likely to want to join.
I don’t need to be an expert to see and mention the errors
I do need to be an expert to be able to scout and interview the relevant replacement when the time comes.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 12, 2020, 09:28:55 PM
I don’t need to be an expert to see and mention the errors
I do need to be an expert to be able to scout and interview the relevant replacement when the time comes.

Then would you agree our chances of securing a better replacement are likely to be reduced with what will Likely be a reduced budget.

There’s also the compensation we would have to pay to Bilic and his coaches.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 12, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
Then would you agree our chances of securing a better replacement are likely to be reduced with what will Likely be a reduced budget.

There’s also the compensation we would have to pay to Bilic and his coaches.
Money isn’t everything
Ollie Burke or Grosiki?

It would very much depend on what the strategy was and who the board felt would be best placed to deliver .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aussie Baggie on July 13, 2020, 05:22:08 AM
If we are not promoted does Bilic go elsewhere?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 13, 2020, 08:48:04 AM
If we are not promoted does Bilic go elsewhere?

No, 2 year project.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbastrollers on July 13, 2020, 08:55:04 AM
If we are not promoted does Bilic go elsewhere?


I would just point out that this is Bielsa’s 3rd attempt at promotion. Previous 2 attempts his team collapsed after being top 2 for most of season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 13, 2020, 09:17:43 AM

I would just point out that this is Bielsa’s 3rd attempt at promotion. Previous 2 attempts his team collapsed after being top 2 for most of season.

Yes, but they usually start to collapse with about 10 games to go. 3rd time lucky for Leeds this season, sadly.

I don't think Bilic will go anywhere if we don't get promoted and nor should he. He signed a 2 year deal with the aim of getting us promoted and I'm sure he'd stick around to try and achieve that.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: skyclad99 on July 13, 2020, 10:09:54 AM
Yes, but they usually start to collapse with about 10 games to go. 3rd time lucky for Leeds this season, sadly.

I don't think Bilic will go anywhere if we don't get promoted and nor should he. He signed a 2 year deal with the aim of getting us promoted and I'm sure he'd stick around to try and achieve that.

I certainly want him to stay regardless. Watching his style of football compared to the vast majority of dross we have had to endure over the past few years is a pleasure......
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KN22 on July 13, 2020, 12:48:29 PM
I certainly want him to stay regardless. Watching his style of football compared to the vast majority of dross we have had to endure over the past few years is a pleasure......

Absolutely....
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on July 13, 2020, 02:16:41 PM
Yup, got to stay for me.  He's turned us around in a season and let's face it, if we had a decent striker we'd be well clear by now.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 13, 2020, 02:24:56 PM
Yup, got to stay for me.  He's turned us around in a season and let's face it, if we had a decent striker we'd be well clear by now.

I'm interested in how we have been 'turned around'.

I dont think the differences between Bilic and Moore are as pronounced as some people would like to believe.  The issues are not dissimilar and the positives are mainly still down to us having a better squad and better options than the vast majority of other sides in the division. 

However when we play the better sides and the difference in quality is less pronounced (so vs other teams in the top 6), our record is quite poor which i hadn't noticed in particular until someone pointed it out recently.






Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wbastrollers on July 13, 2020, 03:12:28 PM
Yes, but they usually start to collapse with about 10 games to go. 3rd time lucky for Leeds this season, sadly.

I don't think Bilic will go anywhere if we don't get promoted and nor should he. He signed a 2 year deal with the aim of getting us promoted and I'm sure he'd stick around to try and achieve that.

You make my point - they stayed loyal to Bielsa even though they had a similar collapse two seasons running. Can you imagine that happening on this forum - the knives would be out for a jolly good killing after the first collapse.
The Corvid 3 month break may have been very helpful to Bielsa and the Leeds team - gave him the opportunity to freshen up his team with another start to the season.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 13, 2020, 03:36:32 PM
You make my point - they stayed loyal to Bielsa even though they had a similar collapse two seasons running. Can you imagine that happening on this forum - the knives would be out for a jolly good killing after the first collapse.
The Corvid 3 month break may have been very helpful to Bielsa and the Leeds team - gave him the opportunity to freshen up his team with another start to the season.

Ah sorry I misunderstood, I just thought you were pointing out that they have collapsed before so could do it again.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 13, 2020, 06:28:45 PM
Yep, I want Bilic to stay no matter what division we are in next season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 13, 2020, 06:42:18 PM
I'm interested in how we have been 'turned around'.

I dont think the differences between Bilic and Moore are as pronounced as some people would like to believe.  The issues are not dissimilar and the positives are mainly still down to us having a better squad and better options than the vast majority of other sides in the division. 

However when we play the better sides and the difference in quality is less pronounced (so vs other teams in the top 6), our record is quite poor which i hadn't noticed in particular until someone pointed it out recently.
This is a fair comment

To answer the question re stay or go ,I’m not sure (if ignorantly only looking in the UK) where he could go.
No one in the top 10-14 in the prem would take ?
If likely Norwich drop they keep guy fawlkes....Bournemouth...would it really be more attractive than us?
There is them lot down the road.....and if smith went I’d say it’s possible they may look...but I don’t see it....
If Leeds collapsed now and shot bielsa....that’s a maybe,
Which in the uk ....leaves 2 credible options...Celtic/Fulham if they don’t go up..
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: 54hines on July 13, 2020, 08:39:58 PM
Realistically could we get anybody better, no imho
No manager gets it 100% correct 100% of the time, but slav makes the right call most of the time.
Before the season started would we have settled for the position we are in now,  yes imho
Has the football been more exciting than last season, yes imho
Do you listen to slav and disagree with his analysis of a game, I find i agree with him

Personally i think we should stick with him whatever happens in the next 3 games. I do agree with some posters that not signing Gayle or at least a similar player could be our undoing but slav can only work with the players he has and needs to be congratulated coming up with a system of play to compensate for not having an out and out goal scorer.
Lets have faith in the management and the players and remember apart from Leeds there is not another team in the championship that would not swap places with us as things stand tonight.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: letmereadposts on July 13, 2020, 09:13:36 PM
I'm interested in how we have been 'turned around'.

I dont think the differences between Bilic and Moore are as pronounced as some people would like to believe.  The issues are not dissimilar and the positives are mainly still down to us having a better squad and better options than the vast majority of other sides in the division. 

However when we play the better sides and the difference in quality is less pronounced (so vs other teams in the top 6), our record is quite poor which i hadn't noticed in particular until someone pointed it out recently.

Look at the squad Bilic had at preseason and compare to what Moore had in his preseason. Moore did a fantastic job in the premier league and brought back pride throughout the club at a truly toxic time. I am a huge fan and really disliked some of the criticism he had. However, he threw away a return by trusting his assistant manager with way too much. He also had an interview complaining how his assistant was only in place by start of season but this was his choice and he should have owned it.

Bilic essentially had to regroup a squad and rebuild a significant amount of it too. Whilst Moore did do one hell of a group this was in the premier league, with a premier league squad (poor but still premier league). Bilic has brought through not one but two quality players in Ferguson and OShea. His subs have been miles better and he has added (convinced) players of real quality to join. The club needed more goals from midfield this year and boy did  Bilic make that happen.

The benefits in Bilic joining the Albion cannot be exaggerated in my opinion and frankly I think he’s had to work his backside off to get us to this point. Could so nearly have been Alex Bloody Neil.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 13, 2020, 09:17:40 PM
Moore had a much better squad and complete, superior financial backing. He just wasn't upto it. Don't see the comparison. Bilic has a lot to learn so he is about as good as we are getting in the Champo.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 14, 2020, 09:23:54 AM
Moore had a much better squad and complete, superior financial backing. He just wasn't upto it. Don't see the comparison. Bilic has a lot to learn so he is about as good as we are getting in the Champo.
this is Bilic's first experience of managing in the chumps isn't it? If so not bad for a novice
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 14, 2020, 07:59:42 PM
Moore had a much better squad and complete, superior financial backing. He just wasn't upto it. Don't see the comparison. Bilic has a lot to learn so he is about as good as we are getting in the Champo.
Darren's problems stemmed from having no midfield to speak of and bringing in journey men to cover those positions.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 14, 2020, 08:45:48 PM
16 draws in this division and most of the sides within it are rubbish

That’s the reason we’re making hard work of it..
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 14, 2020, 08:51:58 PM
16 draws in this division and most of the sides within it are rubbish

That’s the reason we’re making hard work of it..

Only 6 defeats though.

With our strike force it's no surprise mate, especially with Slav favouring the wrong one until recently.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 14, 2020, 09:00:10 PM
this is Bilic's first experience of managing in the chumps isn't it? If so not bad for a novice

The fact it is his first season in the championship has band spouted too often recently. It’s not a different game. Bilic has been a manager for 20 years, he simply can’t have the benefit of doubt you’d give a novice just because he’s not managed in the championship before.

Credit today, he got them to really lift it second half and I don’t think there was much more he could have done.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 14, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
We've lost 6 matches. Despite my wavering the other night this has been a superb debut season.

While I pour scorn on the Gayle shouts if we'd gave had Mitrovic or Watkins we'd be about 15 points clear. We had 50 at halfway without a striker.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Albionic on July 14, 2020, 09:04:37 PM
It may be the same game but it’s a different competition with different resources it has to be adapted to, I doubt he has worked with a group of forwards like ours before (Saudi maybe)
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 14, 2020, 09:05:25 PM
Only 6 defeats though.

With our strike force it's no surprise mate, especially with Slav favouring the wrong one until recently.

I find some of Bilić decisions regarding the strike force to be baffling.

It appears a lottery sometimes.

We’ve barely seen anything of Zohore (and with good reason), yet following the restart he gets game time ahead of Austin and is used to replace HRK. Zohore has now been jettisoned from the squad with Austin now appearing from nowhere to lead the line with HRK second in command.

Again, with Matt Phillips - he’s used all season and we put up with him throughout his usual stale performances. Grosicki, Diangana and Robinson become favourites and following our display at Brentford he’s jettisoned from the team and not to be seen again. Today, he appears from nowhere to replace Grosicki.

On another note, I’d love to have Mitrovic in this side..

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 14, 2020, 09:19:39 PM
We've lost 6 matches. Despite my wavering the other night this has been a superb debut season.

While I pour scorn on the Gayle shouts if we'd gave had Mitrovic or Watkins we'd be about 15 points clear. We had 50 at halfway without a striker.

Agree with you here mate

It’s been an excellent season and the football has been enjoyable. Bilić has brought a refreshing attitude that’s been missing up here for a while.

If we had an half decent forward then we would not have drawn 16 games and we’d be promoted by now
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 14, 2020, 09:20:07 PM

I would just point out that this is Bielsa’s 3rd attempt at promotion. Previous 2 attempts his team collapsed after being top 2 for most of season.
Think it's only his second season at Leeds.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: chipperclark on July 15, 2020, 04:08:58 AM
 ;D Give Robinson a go up front . Has pace and can move around a bit HRK and Austin way too slow to cause problems.

We need to score goals in the last 2 games...Periera at #10.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Standaman on July 15, 2020, 07:20:50 AM
My view at the start of the season that this squad should make the play-offs at least anything else would have been a failure. It is very rare that you have a team that is settled and so much better than the rest in the Championship that top 2 is a realistic expectation. As the season progressed the expectation grew not only because we were playing well but also because two of the most likely challengers Fulham and Brentford misfired a little through the first half of the season.

In this context regardless of the final outcome Bilic has done a good job.  We had a lot of new players to integrate and if that had taken time we could easily find ourselves in 5th or 6th without ever really threatening the top 2.

 We go into the last two games of the season knowing that 2 wins guarantees promotion. If anyone thinks that this is in someway or other a failure or that any coach let alone one that we could hire would have got a much better outcome then I think you need to recalibrate your expectations. I would also suggest there were plenty of coaches we might have hired who would certainly managed worse outcomes. 

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggiebof on July 15, 2020, 07:30:35 AM
Good job done for me, the team does need work but I've seen enough to know that will Bilic will know what needs doing. I think we have actually got more points than our performances have deserved and a lot of that is down to Bilic and his in-game management in my opinion.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on July 15, 2020, 08:55:47 AM
We would have been home and dry before now if Brentford didn’t have their run of form. That’s out of Bilic’s hands.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: seteefeet on July 15, 2020, 09:58:14 AM
Talked about psychology before the game but clearly got it wrong for me at the start as we looked nervous and timid. First tactics break though he got it spot on and we were the better team from then on.
Need to be like that from the start against Huddersfield, we are head and shoulders above them, so show them no respect whatsoever and get the job done. Be like Brentford, confident, aggressive and ruthless!
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on July 15, 2020, 10:57:04 AM
I want Slaven to instruct the team to go all out from the first second and don’t stop,use the subs wisely and attack attack attack for last two games.
Do not be cautious or timid just go all out to win.
I would like to see Robinson in the team perhaps as a front two with Charlie he adds speed so I suggest a 352 formation for these last two games.
Last night listening to ts2 was very hard work, I turned it off now and again I couldn’t stand the tension,
COPNE
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Raymond John on July 15, 2020, 11:51:05 AM
Good job done for me, the team does need work but I've seen enough to know that will Bilic will know what needs doing. I think we have actually got more points than our performances have deserved and a lot of that is down to Bilic and his in-game management in my opinion.

I very much agree with the comment regarding we have more points than our performances over the season todate deserve and at least some credit for that is due to Bilic.    When one considers how few of our players are of exceptional quality, even for the championship, it is to me, surprising we have been in such a good position for virtually all of the season.   Even more so given our record against higher placed sides.

Many on this forum appear to have quite a high opinion of our squad, presumably compared with our rivals but - going a little off topic - howmany of our players could be sure of a place in Leeds or Brentford's team?   Not many, if any in my opinion.    Even our most gifted player would have to play a very different kind of game to get in either of those two sides.    Of course with better players around him he may very well be capable of that but beyond him I do not think anyone else would be seriously considered.   

Apart from his persistence in picking Phillips and on occasions bringing on Harper, I do not think Bilic's in-game management can be seriously faulted.   We certainly have had worse managers in the past and no doubt will have in the future.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: miggybaggy on July 15, 2020, 06:04:39 PM
I like Slaven a lot, such a breath of fresh air after the disastrous Pulis era. However, he needs to drop his loyalty to HRK and keep him well away from the pitch in the final two matches....otherwise it could cost us a place in the Prem.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 15, 2020, 08:07:40 PM
Thought last two games his substitions made hindered our forward play, the likes of Phillips should not be in squad after his numerous no shows this season. Love to see Tulloch and Edwards on bench instead.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 15, 2020, 08:15:05 PM
I like Slaven a lot, such a breath of fresh air after the disastrous Pulis era. However, he needs to drop his loyalty to HRK and keep him well away from the pitch in the final two matches....otherwise it could cost us a place in the Prem.

I find Bilic’s loyalty to HRK misplaced at the moment, given his overall contributions in games being quite poor. HRK will be on the pitch at some point against Huddersfield and QPR, make no mistake! 😏
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 15, 2020, 10:33:10 PM
I find Bilic’s loyalty to HRK misplaced at the moment, given his overall contributions in games being quite poor. HRK will be on the pitch at some point against Huddersfield and QPR, make no mistake! 😏
Austin was poor vs Fulham, but then again he hasn’t got the legs to start 3 games in a week.
HRK hasn’t been great since the restart, but never stops trying
Zohore....is available in the raffle

However despite calls for a false nine or Robinson/Phillips/tulloch....this is not the time to mess around....even from just a team psychology point of view

If it were me
I’d get

                     Johnstone
O’Shea.    Semi.        Hegazi.     Gibbs

         Sawyers.  Livermore. Krov
     Pererira.      HRK.          Grosiki


In a room and tell them that the start both matches...now go get on with it
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 15, 2020, 10:38:52 PM
HRK up top is a big no from me his purple patch is history and he has reverted back to type. Striker options have been our achilies heal this season and recruitment department have made a right pig's ear of this.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on July 15, 2020, 10:39:48 PM
Chris Lepkowski has replied to my tweet suggesting Slav was very unhappy after 3 weeks in the job and Zohore was signed as a panic signing to appease him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 15, 2020, 10:46:34 PM
Austin was poor vs Fulham, but then again he hasn’t got the legs to start 3 games in a week.
HRK hasn’t been great since the restart, but never stops trying
Zohore....is available in the raffle

However despite calls for a false nine or Robinson/Phillips/tulloch....this is not the time to mess around....even from just a team psychology point of view

If it were me
I’d get

                     Johnstone
O’Shea.    Semi.        Hegazi.     Gibbs

         Sawyers.  Livermore. Krov
     Pererira.      HRK.          Grosiki


In a room and tell them that the start both matches...now go get on with it

If I see HRK is starting in a must win game I will not be happy.

Never stops trying simply isn’t good enough.

I’d play someone mobile up front who has the ability to beat a man and drawer a foul. HRK is very easy to defend against.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 15, 2020, 10:56:48 PM
If I see HRK is starting in a must win game I will not be happy.

Never stops trying simply isn’t good enough.

I’d play someone mobile up front who has the ability to beat a man and drawer a foul. HRK is very easy to defend against.
Well he wasn’t that easy to mark away at Bristol city , stoke away, boro away, Swansea home etc .
If I was playing cb I’d want to mark Zohore...then Austin, I really wouldn’t fancy taking on HRK
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: frazzle on July 15, 2020, 11:02:11 PM
If I see HRK is starting in a must win game I will not be happy.

Never stops trying simply isn’t good enough.

I’d play someone mobile up front who has the ability to beat a man and drawer a foul. HRK is very easy to defend against.

Only forwards we have that could beat a man are Kanu and Zohore.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 15, 2020, 11:04:54 PM
HRK up top is a big no from me his purple patch is history and he has reverted back to type. Striker options have been our achilies heal this season and recruitment department have made a right pig's ear of this.

Amazing we are second in the league really when you think about the lack of firepower we’ve had upfront this season. 🤨
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Aztech on July 15, 2020, 11:33:00 PM
Well he wasn’t that easy to mark away at Bristol city , stoke away, boro away, Swansea home etc .
If I was playing cb I’d want to mark Zohore...then Austin, I really wouldn’t fancy taking on HRK

I was a forward, however if I was playing centre half I’d prefer to Mark HRK
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Oldbury24 on July 15, 2020, 11:38:08 PM
I was a forward, however if I was playing centre half I’d prefer to Mark HRK

Yep.  Might give you a tough time and work you hard but poses little goal threat and you can give him half a yard and make it up  he won't run away from you.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggie79 on July 16, 2020, 12:08:18 AM
He is not a happy chappy at the moment, just see his demeanour in the last few interviews as proof of this. I hope that he sticks with us no matter what happens this season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie38 on July 16, 2020, 01:04:28 AM
He is not a happy chappy at the moment, just see his demeanour in the last few interviews as proof of this. I hope that he sticks with us no matter what happens this season.

In all fairness the bloke wasn't happy within a few days of taking the job due to broken promises from Dowling and Co? Can we honestly say we are  surprised at that?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 16, 2020, 03:25:46 AM
Chris Lepkowski has replied to my tweet suggesting Slav was very unhappy after 3 weeks in the job and Zohore was signed as a panic signing to appease him.


Lepkowski seems to have become very bitter about us since he left his job covering us, I wouldn't blindly trust his word. He no longer has the inside track on Albion.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 16, 2020, 05:51:51 AM
We would have been home and dry before now if Brentford didn’t have their run of form. That’s out of Bilic’s hands.
Think that's wrong before the Wigan game we were 4 points clear of Leeds the last nine games we have won 3 drawn 4 and lost 2 and that simply isn't top 2 form draws have killed us.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 16, 2020, 08:15:15 AM
In all fairness the bloke wasn't happy within a few days of taking the job due to broken promises from Dowling and Co? Can we honestly say we are  surprised at that?

I cannot say I’m surprised to read this.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: liverbaggie on July 16, 2020, 08:32:47 AM
No HRK.
Robinson & Charlie up front
In a 532
Sub's very important
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wba1993dave on July 16, 2020, 09:21:58 AM
Slav will leave if we don't go up. Palace,Watford,Burnley, could be on the lookout for a new manager. Then he could have offers from abroad. I hope he stays but he may fancy his chance elsewhere rather than another slog season in the Championship.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 16, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
Slav will leave if we don't go up. Palace,Watford,Burnley, could be on the lookout for a new manager. Then he could have offers from abroad. I hope he stays but he may fancy his chance elsewhere rather than another slog season in the Championship.

I cant see it at all. It was a two year project and I've little doubt he will see it through.

He doesnt strike me as unhappy either despite what one or two people say, he may be frustrated at our inability to finish our chances but that's be about it.

Hes looked happy enough all season.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on July 16, 2020, 09:42:03 AM
I cant see it at all. It was a two year project and I've little doubt he will see it through.

He doesnt strike me as unhappy either despite what one or two people say, he may be frustrated at our inability to finish our chances but that's be about it.

Hes looked happy enough all season.

Agree with this and I know Croatia are his home nation but he was fiercely loyal there to his contract and had not interest in leaving before it was up.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2020, 07:33:00 PM
Major questions of this bloke , same old same old.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: KingKoren on July 17, 2020, 07:33:45 PM
15 point lead blown.

I think you have to question Bilic.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Pureade1 on July 17, 2020, 07:35:24 PM
15 point lead blown.

I think you have to question Bilic.

I think more than questions need to be asked when you blow a 15 point lead in a very poor championship.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 17, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
15 point lead blown.

I think you have to question Bilic.

I’ve been questioning Bilic for ages. I’ve got no faith in him after this evenings result and I’m not the only one. It’s not completely his fault, but the book stops with him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 17, 2020, 07:39:39 PM
Can see a mutual parting of the ways in the summer after this collapse.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 07:40:34 PM
I’ve been questioning Bilic for ages. I’ve got no faith in him after this evenings result and I’m not the only one. It’s not completely his fault, but the book stops with him.

Problem for Slaven tonight is it's not just the result. It's the team selection and the substitutions.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 17, 2020, 07:40:48 PM
He just isn’t very good. Fair play he found Pereira, but he’s presided over a side that has  thrown away one of the biggest advantages, that I’ve ever seen.

In any other job, if you saw someone get off to a flyer but then go so badly to ****, you’d begin to suspect that the initial flyer was more luck than skill or ability.

People will blame the squad, and they should be criticised and also shoulder blame, but all squads in this division have inadequacies and you’d expect a better manager to get more from this one, get them at it, get them playing. You’d also expect this squad should be capable of at least looking solid occasionally at the back and we very rarely do.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2020, 07:41:04 PM
Low scoring forward is just about Ok if you have goals from midfield , as good as this lot are they don't score enough though not even Periera . There's no Brunt , Dorrans , Phillips......and when you need a goal they are the sort who dig one out.
60 min sub of the forwards ,  giving the midfield away , dozy defending , trying to fit the physically weak Krov in .
To top it off tonight he starts the most gutless player we havd in Phillips.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boot2006 on July 17, 2020, 07:41:18 PM
Too many games this season he has got wrong. 
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 17, 2020, 07:41:52 PM
Really don't know why he took Livermore off tonight was one of the best players first half.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 17, 2020, 07:42:59 PM
Seemed like a good manager when things were going his way, made mistakes but seemed to learn from them. As soon as the slightest pressure him, Bilic imploded. Massive letdown.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2020, 07:43:52 PM
Really don't know why he took Livermore off tonight was one of the best players first half.
Agreed , take the bloke you make leader off at HT in a vital game . That just shows the blokes lost it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 17, 2020, 07:46:30 PM
Agreed , take the bloke you make leader off at HT in a vital game . That just shows the blokes lost it.

He lost it for the Blues game, found it again then lost it again.

It's almost like hes trying to give everyone a game.

Thrown away. Bad management.

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: baggie82 on July 17, 2020, 07:48:38 PM
He lost it for the Blues game, found it again then lost it again.

It's almost like hes trying to give everyone a game.

Thrown away. Bad management.

Did the instruct the players to play like they had their feet tied together and were blindfolded? It was the idiots on the pitch who let us down.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2020, 07:51:21 PM
Everytime we play a team that sits deep and kicks us to bits we fall in the same trap and after so many times that fault stays with Bilic
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on July 17, 2020, 07:51:44 PM
Even if we somehow got promoted I'd want a new bloke in charge.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wba1993dave on July 17, 2020, 07:54:45 PM
After that performance I would sack him tonight. Get a new manager bounce  for the play-offs. That was a disgrace tonight. He has lost the plot.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Atomic on July 17, 2020, 07:57:00 PM
Did the instruct the players to play like they had their feet tied together and were blindfolded? It was the idiots on the pitch who let us down.


Who picks them? And the formation and the tactics? And the instructions and the substitutions?

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: caravanc58 on July 17, 2020, 07:57:32 PM
Can't stand Warnock or Allardyce but both would have walked us into the premier having a 6 point lead.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 17, 2020, 07:58:22 PM
We will get destroyed in the playoffs with him in charge. A tough decision for the board ahead.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 08:01:32 PM
We should have given Jokanovic the money last year.

The system he employed for the 2nd half today was borderline criminal. Bielsa list the plot yesterday but this was something special.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: PartisanBaggie on July 17, 2020, 08:05:14 PM
Jokanovich was my first choice when we sacked Moore.

Guess what our paid to that...the Albion wouldn’t pay him the money! Legendary cheapskates!

No post-match interview from Bilic or any of the players. Watch this space for an announcement...👂🏻
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: smosher34 on July 17, 2020, 08:07:58 PM
The buck stops with Bilic he picks the team and tells them how to play.. Got it badly wrong today not for the 1st time.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on July 17, 2020, 08:10:42 PM
Let's wait another week but if we have blown  15 point lead and collapse in the play offs (inevitable) , BIlic needs the sack. Time to rebuild again but this time properly. Downing has failed too if he thought a forward line of HRK, Austin and Zohore was ok in January. Wow

They're all very lucky we can't go to matches
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: P Anderson on July 17, 2020, 08:11:43 PM
The movement on the pitch and motivation is down to him. Buying a keeper and a striker, when all the stats tell you we are not good enough in those departments is also down to him. Playing sawyers too deep where he has no influence and is not being pushed is down to bilic too. Very frustrated but in a sense not surprised.
There have been many games lately where we have needed a goal or needed to keep the opposing team out, which we have failed to achieve on too many occasions.
 Poor from an experienced international and premier league manager.
Dread to think what it will be like if start and finish games, as we have been, if we were in the premier league
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: wba_1996 on July 17, 2020, 08:16:24 PM
I'm torn really, I like him and I really think we need to give someone the time to build their own team after the dross we've put up with since Hodgson left. But then I see HRK and Phillips starting today, after showing absolutely no signs of doing anything remotely positive since lockdown, and I just have to question whether he has any idea what our problems are.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2020, 08:17:37 PM
At least 3 more games to go , 45 games gone and he still doesn't really know our best 11 or system .
3 more limp performances like we have had since Xmas and he can go for my money.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 08:18:09 PM
Bilić hasn't fronted to Sky. Losing all faith in him.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: darbolina on July 17, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
Yep Phillip's and HRK on the pitch tonight said everything about Bilic. Not a great clue how to change a poor, languid looking team. Give him his next three matches then sack him off I say .  We need a coach who can improve players not expect the club to buy them a team and stroke his beard all game movibgbhis players around . Let's look at Brentford who copied our old moneyball model. They've improved.unde a good, technical coach. This season is a lesson worth learning if we ever want to be a true force again.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2020, 08:21:38 PM
Bilić hasn't fronted to Sky. Losing all faith in him.
Poor form that is.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: lawton-3 on July 17, 2020, 08:22:41 PM
Tactics are down to slaven but it’s not his fault if:
Team struggles to put 3 passes together in first 20 mins
A goalkeeping error 1st goal
Ajayi got dragged to the ball hegazi lost his man completely another error
Crosses don’t beat first man
End product not good enough e.g Robinson chance

Huddersfield did a job on us today slowed us down and never let us get a rhythm even got w booking for time waisting in 15 minutes.

Judge bilic at end of season or the play offs

Don’t be ‘typical fans’

Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: bangkokbaggie on July 17, 2020, 08:23:06 PM
The warning signs have always been there after his slump at West Ham so this relatively poor form since Christmas or earlier hasn't really been a shock for me. He does himself no favours too by naming out of form players in the starting 11 like today.

Bilic definitely has bottled it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: adamw1109 on July 17, 2020, 08:24:56 PM
We could have Klopp in our dugout but we have our only half decent LB injured, a pathetic excuse for a GK between the sticks with no one better to replace him with and a trio of strikers who are completely dreadful.

The whole season we have over achieved, if you look at our strike force no one would ever put faith in them to get their team promoted. Only the deluded fans who know naff all about football were expecting us to walk the championship.

For people to call for a blokes head who has turned us around completely off the back of the dreadful Pulis dross we all witnessed, its a embarrassing.

and for people to suggest we have the 'best team in the league', what a crock of nonsense that is!

Since the return of football, regardless of what Bilic has tried... the players just ain't seemed up for it for the most part.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Mo on July 17, 2020, 08:25:48 PM
Bilic has had too many players to choose from in an attacking sense the net result is he has confused himself and the players are now confused . One week Edwards in the next out same with Zohore  , we have diangana on the left then hes on the right. Grosicki the same . Bilic isn’t totally to blame but the characteristics I saw from him at West Ham are starting to resurface he doesn’t seem in control of himself or the situation .
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: boinging_along on July 17, 2020, 08:26:44 PM
Stick with him, he said it was a 2 year plan so we should give him the two years.  Let's face it, we are ill-equipped for the Prem League.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 17, 2020, 08:27:48 PM
Tactics are down to slaven but it’s not his fault if:
Team struggles to put 3 passes together in first 20 mins he setsup the team
A goalkeeping error 1st goalhe picks the keeper
Ajayi got dragged to the ball hegazi lost his man completely another error??
Crosses don’t beat first manbest crosser in divisionon the bench
End product not good enough e.g Robinson chancebrought Robindon into the club, and brought him on tonight

Huddersfield did a job on us today slowed us down and never let us get a rhythm even got w booking for time waisting in 15 minutes.

Judge bilic at end of season or the play offs

Don’t be ‘typical fans’

See my points, yours is not a great post.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: gazberg on July 17, 2020, 08:28:35 PM
Stick with him, he said it was a 2 year plan so we should give him the two years.  Let's face it, we are ill-equipped for the Prem League.


Every champo club is but we were in a better place than most.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Dexy on July 17, 2020, 08:29:01 PM
Stick with him, he said it was a 2 year plan so we should give him the two years.  Let's face it, we are ill-equipped for the Prem League.
He's cutting his own throat.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: paulosull on July 17, 2020, 08:30:31 PM
Tactics are down to slaven but it’s not his fault if:
Team struggles to put 3 passes together in first 20 mins
A goalkeeping error 1st goal
Ajayi got dragged to the ball hegazi lost his man completely another error
Crosses don’t beat first man
End product not good enough e.g Robinson chance

Huddersfield did a job on us today slowed us down and never let us get a rhythm even got w booking for time waisting in 15 minutes.

Judge bilic at end of season or the play offs

Don’t be ‘typical fans’
taking off are most effective midfielder at half time and leaving Sawyers on was a shock but starting Phillips is a stackable offence in my book.
Doesn’t no his best 11  and the luck has gone with his substitions, has totally lost the plot post lock down and I can't see him getting us through play offs. For all those who are happy to stay in chump see how delighted you will be when we start to struggle and lose more than we win. Ebenezer you are a nob
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 17, 2020, 08:31:36 PM
I’m amazed so many opinions seem to have changed based on 1 game. If we had won we would have still have been lucky to have him and he would still have been the best we could hope for.

For me, the warning signs have been there since the beginning and I was a little more sceptical than most about his appointment.

I did get swept up a little early but the reservations about our defending never went, even when we were unbeaten.



Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: johnny Cash on July 17, 2020, 08:32:28 PM
We could have Klopp in our dugout but we have our only half decent LB injured, a pathetic excuse for a GK between the sticks with no one better to replace him with and a trio of strikers who are completely dreadful.

The whole season we have over achieved, if you look at our strike force no one would ever put faith in them to get their team promoted. Only the deluded fans who know naff all about football were expecting us to walk the championship.

For people to call for a blokes head who has turned us around completely off the back of the dreadful Pulis dross we all witnessed, its a embarrassing.

and for people to suggest we have the 'best team in the league', what a crock of nonsense that is!

Since the return of football, regardless of what Bilic has tried... the players just ain't seemed up for it for the most part.


8 wins in 23 is over achieving?
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: adamw1109 on July 17, 2020, 08:35:20 PM

8 wins in 23 is over achieving?

So we have only played 23 games? or you just picking out a section of it to suit your debate?

Like I said, the WHOLE season we have over achieved when you consider we ain't got a bloke who can even hit a barn door upfront and a keeper that's scared of getting his knees dirty.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: BB74 on July 17, 2020, 09:19:57 PM
Bilic has oversaw the biggest implosion of an Albion team I have known since I started going in 96/97.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: alex1 on July 17, 2020, 09:27:47 PM
Think its far too early to be talking about changing Billic.  When you look at our 4 previous managers, he's brought the team a long way. Our goals scored is 2nd highest in the league and we're still 2nd in the league. I'm alot happier with the football under him than under Darren or his predecessors.   Who knows he could walk, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: Baggies on July 17, 2020, 09:28:16 PM
Always liked the bloke, but prior to his appointment I said that his record was very poor club football wise. He was never my first choice and his appointment lacked imagination.

I was pleasantly surprised by the football in those first few months. We rode our luck but kept winning. It seems it really was a lucky run though.

He is no Bielsa. He has earned a go next season, but he will be gone by Christmas.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic
Post by: adamw1109 on July 17, 2020, 09:28:52 PM
Think its far too early to be talking about changing Billic.  When you look at our 4 previous managers, he's brought the team a long way. Our goals scored is 2nd highest in the league and we're still 2nd in the league. I'm alot happier with the football under him than under Darren or his predecessors.   Who knows he could walk, but I doubt it.

Finally, someone talking sense on this forum.

The grass ain't always greener on the other side.
Title: Re: Slaven Bilic