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Title: 11 May 2019 Aston Villa 2 Albion 1 (Play Off 1st Leg)
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 14, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
Aston Villa v West Bromwich Albion

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Title: In Game Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 14, 2019, 11:38:01 AM
Aston Villa v West Bromwich Albion

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11th May 2019 12.30pm

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Title: Pre Match Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 14, 2019, 11:38:29 AM
Aston Villa v West Bromwich Albion

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11th May 2019 12.30pm

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Title: Ticket Info & Requests
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Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tuamigos on May 05, 2019, 06:39:02 PM
Well after today if we don't get organised and buck our ideas up in the 7 days before the game, we're in for a very rough ride
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on May 05, 2019, 06:51:34 PM
No chance. Not organised enough. Not in form. No leadership.

Not a dig in any way at Shan who is put in the most ridiculous position by the club.

It will be a relief when this is over and we can see how we shape up for next season.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: chippyclarke on May 05, 2019, 07:04:45 PM
We don't stand a cat in hell's chance against Villa if we play Harper and Murphy. They just don't get involved, get beaten in a tackle and don't chase back. Get what we can for Harper if Mr Levy comes along with his cheque book or even just his wallet!
All the players apart from Gayle and dare I say it, Rodrigues, need a rocket up their backsides. Jay has come in for a lot of bad comments on the forum, but he does a hell of a lot of chasing back AND tackling and also scores goals!
Oh for a John Wile character as captain.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 05, 2019, 07:14:06 PM
Not looking forward to this one bit, hope Appleton can organise this lot because it's become painfully obvious that Shan can't.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: seteefeet on May 05, 2019, 07:25:17 PM
Would snatch your hands off for a draw, or even narrow defeat, after that today. Really tear Villa could be out of sight after the 1st leg and the Hawthorne game becoming a dead rubber.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: wbarenno on May 05, 2019, 07:40:38 PM
A win would be unbelievable , a draw would be superb , A 1-0 loss would be alright id take it now to be honest , a 2 goal loss would be bearable because if we got the first goal in the second leg then it would be game on , a 3 goal loss would be game over
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: elkiellis on May 05, 2019, 08:44:08 PM
Shan probably wont,but he needs to ditch this 3 centre halves at the back shambles no one knows who they are supposed to be marking,Villa will murder us if Bartley is picked,go 442 or better still 451 flood the midfield play brunt just behind Gayle and we might have a chance 352 we will get slaughtered
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 05, 2019, 08:57:36 PM
No chance. Not organised enough. Not in form. No leadership.

Not a dig in any way at Shan who is put in the most ridiculous position by the club.

It will be a relief when this is over and we can see how we shape up for next season.
But this is the thing, we as fans actually need to believe there is a chance we can do this. We have an opportunity here and by ruling us out, i just can't see how we can muster up cheering our team to do this. I firmly believe we have a good chance despite the negativity circling the club at the moment, and will support the team from 12.30 saturday, COYB!!!!!!! Lets bring villa down a notch or two.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBArgo on May 05, 2019, 09:17:40 PM
I'm not saying we're great but a lot of our fans are over-estimating Villa in my opinion, we've taken 4 points off them this season and they have the odd clanger in them themselves; there's a reason we finished above them, just as Leeds finished above us.

I hope our players have more belief than our fans.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 05, 2019, 09:23:07 PM
It's criminal that Phillips hasn't started v derby to at least get 45/60 mins in his legs.

The story of our season is we have generally had less bottle than most we have played and just managed to have abit more quality. The playoffs are a lot more even so we won't get away with it.

Harper hasn't looked interested he isn't getting a contract seems stupid to play him.
I can't believe I am advocating jake Livermore. Sam field has to play he's a local lad and be up for it more than some of the others.

Personally I would go 4 1 3 2:

Back 4 of; holgate Dawson Hegazi Gibbs
 
Sam field holding with johansen and Phillips
Livermore in the side just to follow and kick lumps out of greasy jack.
Rodriguez & Gayle up top
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: wbarenno on May 05, 2019, 09:25:12 PM
I'm not saying we're great but a lot of our fans are over-estimating Villa in my opinion, we've taken 4 points off them this season and they have the odd clanger in them themselves; there's a reason we finished above them, just as Leeds finished above us.

I hope our players have more belief than our fans.

Definitely

The seasons ended now , what’s happened before (we’ve finished above villa , beat them once and drawn against them ) means nothing. Start from scratch and on an even playing field again. The play offs is a lottery you can give cases for and against for the 4 teams in it.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie82 on May 05, 2019, 09:40:33 PM
Jay has come in for a lot of bad comments on the forum, but he does a hell of a lot of chasing back AND tackling and also scores goals!

I'll translate: Jay does a lot of chasing the ball usually after his woeful first touch has knocked it ten yards too far ahead of him, and then follows that up by kicking the opposition player over and staring at ref with the most gormless facial expression possible. He also scores penalties, all won by the endeavour of his team mates.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on May 05, 2019, 09:41:09 PM
It's coming Romina la that Phillips hasn't started v derby to at least get 45/60 mins in his legs.

The story of our season is we have generally had less bottle than most we have played and just managed to have abit more quality. The playoffs are a lot more even so we won't get away with it.

Harper hasn't looked interested he isn't getting a contract seems stupid to play him.
I can't believe I am advocating jake Livermore. Sam field has to play he's a local lad and be up for it more than some of the others.

Personally I would go 4 1 3 2:

Back 4 of; holgate Dawson Hegazi Gibbs
 
Sam field holding with johansen and Phillips
Livermore in the side just to follow and kick lumps out of greasy jack.
Rodriguez & Gayle up top
I have to say I agree with all of this.  Livermore might have a hard time catching springheeled Jack, but at least it'll keep the little funster on his toes.  We must go 4 at the back whatever at their place, we can't let them hammer us there, we must at least be in with a chance back at our place.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on May 05, 2019, 09:54:23 PM
I'd go with 1 up top and keep it tight in the away leg, give ourselves best chance in the 2nd leg.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 05, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
I'll be there at both games supporting us to the hilt but I have no confidence that Shan/Appleton/Reid will be able to get any kind of decent performance out of the players.

No Murphy, Bartley or Harper would be a start though.



Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on May 05, 2019, 10:36:48 PM
I'll translate: Jay does a lot of chasing the ball usually after his woeful first touch has knocked it ten yards too far ahead of him, and then follows that up by kicking the opposition player over and staring at ref with the most gormless facial expression possible. He also scores penalties, all won by the endeavour of his team mates.

Just a rubbish and lazy post. He does a lot of very good things in a game and has put a huge amount of effort in this season. One of few players who can hold his head up high. 
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 05, 2019, 10:37:28 PM
I'll be there at both games supporting us to the hilt but I have no confidence that Shan/Appleton/Reid will be able to get any kind of decent performance out of the players.

No Murphy, Bartley or Harper would be a start though.


Completely agree.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on May 05, 2019, 10:39:24 PM
I have to say I agree with all of this.  Livermore might have a hard time catching springheeled Jack, but at least it'll keep the little funster on his toes.  We must go 4 at the back whatever at their place, we can't let them hammer us there, we must at least be in with a chance back at our place.

I’d have been ok with Livermore had he been fit, but it takes him a while to get match fit and and we don’t have time. He’s toast for the playoffs for me.

Harper was so bad today that our midfield can only be Brunt, Phillips and Johansen. Then Field. Then Harper.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggiebof on May 05, 2019, 11:45:29 PM
Can't be knee jerk here, 532 is what Shan has mostly gone with and it is what we will go with, just need to get personnel and tactics right. For the away tie, I would want as much pace and ability to carry the ball in the side as possible, with the intention to sit in and counter. I'd look at starting something like this:

Johnstone

Holgate
Dawson
Bartley
Hegazi
Gibbs

Harper
Johansen
Phillips

Gayle
Rodriguez

Bond, Mears, Adarabioyo, Brunt, Morrison, Edwards, Murphy
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: elkiellis on May 06, 2019, 01:22:48 AM
Can't be knee jerk here, 532 is what Shan has mostly gone with and it is what we will go with, just need to get personnel and tactics right. For the away tie, I would want as much pace and ability to carry the ball in the side as possible, with the intention to sit in and counter. I'd look at starting something like this:

Johnstone

Holgate
Dawson
Bartley
Hegazi
Gibbs

Harper
Johansen
Phillips

Gayle
Rodriguez

Bond, Mears, Adarabioyo, Brunt, Morrison, Edwards, Murphy
Derby slaughtered that line up today,whos protecting Bartley from Mginn and Grealish,352 is a failure 3 three centre halves who don't know who they are marking 2 wingbacks who aint wingbacks,if we persist with 3 5 2 at Villa it will be a massacre,there wont be any point in a 2nd leg
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: 17GD on May 06, 2019, 02:32:32 AM
Johnstone
Holgate
Dawson
Hegazi
Gibbs
Phillips
Brunt
Johansen
Edwards
Jrod
Gayle

442 / 451 out of possession

To use Bartley or Murphy would be stating that we aren't bothered about promotion.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on May 06, 2019, 06:28:58 AM
Bartley just causes havoc at the back. We can have six centre halves but if none of them know what they are doing you might as well have none. He and Dawson were all over the shop for everyone of Derby's goals yesterday. Go back to a four. Lets be honest however we play we are far from solid but we have to give ourselves the best chance however slim it is. Like others I will back us to the hilt on matchdays but do I really believe we will beat Villa over two legs, not at all.

Best chance is to sit deep at Villa Park, deny them space. Keep our full backs back for the most part and make sure our back four has someone in front of it to block those gaps that Grealish will try to exploit. Try and hit them on the break, using Phillips as our main outball.


                                       Johnstone

Holgate           Dawson                   Hegazi               Gibbs

Phillips           Johansen      Field        Brunt              Rodriguez

                                        Gayle
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 06, 2019, 07:16:27 AM
Bartley just causes havoc at the back. We can have six centre halves but if none of them know what they are doing you might as well have none. He and Dawson were all over the shop for everyone of Derby's goals yesterday. Go back to a four. Lets be honest however we play we are far from solid but we have to give ourselves the best chance however slim it is. Like others I will back us to the hilt on matchdays but do I really believe we will beat Villa over two legs, not at all.

Best chance is to sit deep at Villa Park, deny them space. Keep our full backs back for the most part and make sure our back four has someone in front of it to block those gaps that Grealish will try to exploit. Try and hit them on the break, using Phillips as our main outball.


                                       Johnstone

Holgate           Dawson                   Hegazi               Gibbs

Phillips           Johansen      Field        Brunt              Rodriguez

                                        Gayle

That's more like it Atomic , but not at all confident that they can put in one good solid performance let alone three
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kc56wba on May 06, 2019, 09:39:28 AM
The play-offs is anybodies and all this doom and gloom is getting quite annoying, on Facebook to hear some on there we might as well not turn up to both games. 
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 06, 2019, 09:44:44 AM
The play-offs is anybodies and all this doom and gloom is getting quite annoying, on Facebook to hear some on there we might as well not turn up to both games.
Completely agree, i know people don't want to be confident just to be crushed by being knocked out, but we're going to be gutted regardless if we go out, so we've got to give ourselves a chance!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 06, 2019, 10:04:37 AM
Completely agree, i know people don't want to be confident just to be crushed by being knocked out, but we're going to be gutted regardless if we go out, so we've got to give ourselves a chance!

The play-offs is anybodies and all this doom and gloom is getting quite annoying, on Facebook to hear some on there we might as well not turn up to both games. 

I'm generally positive about us but the last few months of non performances have mostly knocked that hope out of me.

Can I ask what you have seen in our last 10 performances to give you the feeling that we will get through?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: garry on May 06, 2019, 10:19:48 AM
Totally agree.
We've won 6 and drawn 1 in the 10 games since Shan took charge - so why are we so gloomy?
We have the advantage to playing away first, so if we can just keep a clean sheet on Saturday... ::)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 06, 2019, 10:39:14 AM
did someobody say a clean sheet :o, dreading these playoffs just want this season over with and proper management/defending for next season. Bartley someones having a laugh
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kc56wba on May 06, 2019, 10:47:01 AM
I'm generally positive about us but the last few months of non performances have mostly knocked that hope out of me.

Can I ask what you have seen in our last 10 performances to give you the feeling that we will get through?

Hull Baggie like I say the play-offs am a different kettle of fish,  I just cor stand all the doom and gloom from our fans when we haven't even played them yet,  We know some Vile fans read these posts and they must be killing themselves loffing at our negativity.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Sted1990 on May 06, 2019, 11:32:37 AM
Look, let’s be positive. The table does not lie, we finished 4th and now we have a 2/3 game season.

Villa look very good but they also have weaknesses, Gayle, Jay Rod, Phillips, Holgate and Gibbs would make their team and Hegazi and Johnstone wouldn’t be fair off.

If we take our chances we have a chance but Gayle has to be 100% on it.
Goals per minutes he is a well ahead in this league.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggiebof on May 06, 2019, 11:48:35 AM
Derby slaughtered that line up today,whos protecting Bartley from Mginn and Grealish,352 is a failure 3 three centre halves who don't know who they are marking 2 wingbacks who aint wingbacks,if we persist with 3 5 2 at Villa it will be a massacre,there wont be any point in a 2nd leg

I didn't see the second half when that lineup was on the pitch together so would be interested to see whether they sat sit and countered in the fashion that I'm advocating. I saw the first half and that was a 541 which left Gayle horribly isolated.

Our best chance through these playoffs is Gayle and he is only really effective in a 2 up top. To do this we would be looking at a 442 or a 352. I prefer the latter because it bolsters numbers in the midfield: for starters you are correct, Grealish and McGinn will be key and secondly, our central midfield has been a weak point for years now.

What would your selection, formation and approach be?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 06, 2019, 11:50:35 AM
Not at all confident - momentum is often everything and we have none of it.

There is no rhythm, there is no pattern to our play. We look like a side that has been thrown together at the last minute and it often shows. We don't defend well, we're very short on creativity and we're often relying on individual bits of brilliance. The other three sides in the play offs look far more well oiled despite the recent slip in form from Leeds.

I think attitude will go a long way and Dawson, Bartley and to a lesser extent Harper sum up why we are where we are.

Johnstone

Dawson Tosin Hegazi

Holgste Phillips Brunt Johansen Gibbs

Gayle Rodriguez
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 06, 2019, 11:55:20 AM
Hull Baggie like I say the play-offs am a different kettle of fish,  I just cor stand all the doom and gloom from our fans when we haven't even played them yet,  We know some Vile fans read these posts and they must be killing themselves loffing at our negativity.

Fair enough, as I said I'd usually be positive about us being able to get a result over 2 legs but I just feel that Villa have the momentum and more importantly the creativity to beat us.

I prefer to see my stance as realistic rather than doom and gloom.

I'll still be there on Saturday and the following Tuesday getting behind the team from first til last though.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: liverbaggie on May 06, 2019, 01:41:10 PM
 451 for me with Gayle up top.
I think we should flood the midfield and press as high up as we can and keep the ball on the floor to Gayle he will twist and turn so fast that he will frighten their defence.
Also there defence isn't that great don't forget we have 2 strikers that have scored over 20 goals each this season,they will be scared of them.
I'm optimistic I'm going for a 0-1 on Saturday with a 2-0 second leg,I think our players and coaches will rise to the occasion and get us to Wembley, then I don't care who we meet.
Don't forget their unbeaten run came to an end at villa park ,if we can get an early goal there fans are fickle and may turn against them.
Its a 3 game season now,do these players want to double their wages or not?
I would be busting a gut wouldn't you?
Title: Team
Post by: baggie96 on May 06, 2019, 03:45:49 PM
                    Johnstone
          Dawson Bartley Hegazi
Holgate                               Gibbs
            Livermore Brunt
                 Johansen
                Gayle Jrod

Try and kill the game and bring it back to the hawthorns
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on May 06, 2019, 04:18:33 PM
They are seriously up sh!t creek financially if they don't go up, let's remember that, they could easily tighten up.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggiemart on May 06, 2019, 04:32:15 PM
I have had a look on the villa fans forum and a lot of them are bricking it about these play offs.

They had a goal of getting into the play offs and that is what has kept them going through their 10 match winning run.

They have now achieved that , the next hurdle is winning the play offs.  With the possibility of repeating the disappointment of last season, the chance their best players will leave if they don't get promoted and also the rules of financial fair play having to be observed, the tension could get to the players and they could end up bottling it. 
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on May 06, 2019, 04:34:35 PM
I have had a look on the villa fans forum and a lot of them are bricking it about these play offs.

They had a goal of getting into the play offs and that is what has kept them going through their 10 match winning run.

They have now achieved that , the next hurdle is winning the play offs.  With the possibility of repeating the disappointment of last season, the chance their best players will leave if they don't get promoted and also the rules of financial fair play having to be observed, the tension could get to the players and they could end up bottling it.


You could've fooled me. I thought they were already selling tickets for the Champions League final 2020-21.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Adder on May 06, 2019, 04:41:54 PM
                    Johnstone
          Dawson Bartley Hegazi
Holgate                               Gibbs
            Livermore Brunt
                 Johansen
                Gayle Jrod

Try and kill the game and bring it back to the hawthorns
I'd go with that except Field for Brunt as a more natural DM, better tackler and younger legs.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: jonny on May 06, 2019, 05:06:01 PM
                    Johnstone
          Dawson Bartley Hegazi
Holgate                               Gibbs
            Livermore Brunt
                 Johansen
                Gayle Jrod

Try and kill the game and bring it back to the hawthorns

That would be my team too
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kie the baggie on May 06, 2019, 05:35:02 PM
Is there any news that the hawthorns will screen the game, if not are many people meeting up to watch it? I cant watch at home as we always lose when I do!!
Title: Re: Team
Post by: kie the baggie on May 06, 2019, 05:36:23 PM
                    Johnstone
          Dawson Bartley Hegazi
Holgate                               Gibbs
            Livermore Brunt
                 Johansen
                Gayle Jrod

Try and kill the game and bring it back to the hawthorns
The lack of mobility in midfield scares me with this line up
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on May 06, 2019, 06:35:23 PM
Panicking a bit for this, think they have set the bar a bit too low at 10. I was hoping the first batch would be for people with 15 or more at least.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 06, 2019, 07:01:47 PM
Panicking a bit for this, think they have set the bar a bit too low at 10. I was hoping the first batch would be for people with 15 or more at least.


You're not the only one, my Dad is off work tomorrow, so is driving down to the Albion (200 mile round trip) to ensure he gets one at 1pm.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 06, 2019, 07:59:34 PM
Ill be there first thing Wednesday, queuing for a ticket just like in the bad old days
COYB
SOTV
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on May 06, 2019, 08:43:39 PM
Ill be there first thing Wednesday, queuing for a ticket just like in the bad old days
COYB
SOTV

Not sure if they will last that long to be honest. Hopefully they do as it means I will have been able to get one tomorrow but I do think they will all be gone tomorrow evening
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Adamstv on May 06, 2019, 08:51:14 PM
If anyone has been to 10 away games or more and cannot get tickets I would be happy to buy them off you. Both my son and I are HST holders and have been to a number of away games but not 10 .

Long long shot I know but will keep fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: elkiellis on May 06, 2019, 08:53:55 PM
I didn't see the second half when that lineup was on the pitch together so would be interested to see whether they sat sit and countered in the fashion that I'm advocating. I saw the first half and that was a 541 which left Gayle horribly isolated.

Our best chance through these playoffs is Gayle and he is only really effective in a 2 up top. To do this we would be looking at a 442 or a 352. I prefer the latter because it bolsters numbers in the midfield: for starters you are correct, Grealish and McGinn will be key and secondly, our central midfield has been a weak point for years now.

What would your selection, formation and approach be?
I just think we shouldn't go 3 5 2 as this means Bartley will start and he is a total liability,and none of the 3 centre halves can pass so its just a waste of an extra midfielde we will need also our fullbacks are not wingbacks,i think 442 or 451 we need to flood the midfield to deny Grealish space, I think the back four picks itself Holgate,gibbs,dawson,hegazi,gayle up top its the midfield selection that needs thought,as not sure about Phillips and Livermore fitness, I think I would go forJonhassen,Phillips ,Harper,Livermore  and Brunt just behind Gayle
Title: Re: Team
Post by: elkiellis on May 06, 2019, 09:11:24 PM
                    Johnstone
          Dawson Bartley Hegazi
Holgate                               Gibbs
            Livermore Brunt
                 Johansen
                Gayle Jrod

Try and kill the game and bring it back to the hawthorns
no way should we persist we 3 at the back Bartley is the worst centre half ever seen at the Albion a total liability we should go back to 442 or 451 for this game
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: chipperclark on May 07, 2019, 12:49:49 AM
 :D Put Field on Grealish and follow him wherever he goes...even when he goes for a "slash"...stay with him.

That would fix 70% of Villas' progress.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: chipperclark on May 07, 2019, 05:12:12 AM
 :D FFS take Bartley out of the team.....I would rather the "tea-lady"

My team would be a tight 4-4-2

                Johnstone
   
    Holgate Dawson Hegazi Gibbs (Full backs to stay back more 1st leg and centre backs push up to penalty area  ) (not like Derby around the penalty spot

Phillips   Johanssen Field (to mark Grealish)  Brunt

              Gayle Rodriguez

Banking and pretty confident we can get a 1-1 result with this team
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 07, 2019, 08:08:43 AM
:D Put Field on Grealish and follow him wherever he goes...even when he goes for a "slash"...stay with him.

That would fix 70% of Villas' progress.
Good idea but I think Mcginn is just as dangerous as Grealish.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggiejohn on May 07, 2019, 08:25:41 AM
451 for me with Gayle up top.
I think we should flood the midfield and press as high up as we can and keep the ball on the floor to Gayle he will twist and turn so fast that he will frighten their defence.
Also there defence isn't that great don't forget we have 2 strikers that have scored over 20 goals each this season,they will be scared of them.
I'm optimistic I'm going for a 0-1 on Saturday with a 2-0 second leg,I think our players and coaches will rise to the occasion and get us to Wembley, then I don't care who we meet.
Don't forget their unbeaten run came to an end at villa park ,if we can get an early goal there fans are fickle and may turn against them.
Its a 3 game season now,do these players want to double their wages or not?
I would be busting a gut wouldn't you?


4;5;1 with Gayle as a target man doesn't work. HRK, lost us that option when he got sent off.
Personally, I'd play 4 at the back, cut off their attacks down the wings, & make them take us on down the middle.
We just have to defend set pieces well.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: baggy_girl89 on May 07, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
I’m not sure if the systems struggling or it’s just mine - but I’m an AST and it’s not giving me the option to buy a ticket to Villa Away at all.

Slightly worried if it doesn’t show before 1pm I’ll miss out when the rest of the influx happens. And of course the ticket office isn’t even open to speak to someone.

Anyone else having problems or have you got yours okay?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on May 07, 2019, 09:27:55 AM
I’m not sure if the systems struggling or it’s just mine - but I’m an AST and it’s nkt giving me the option to buy a ticket to Villa Away at all.

Slightly worried if it doesn’t show before 1pm I’ll miss out when the rest of the influx happens. And of course the ticket office isn’t even open to speak to someone.

Anyone else having problems or have you got yours okay?

The ticket office is open.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Cardiaccarol on May 07, 2019, 09:31:21 AM
I'm an away too.

The club need to sort this out - there isn't anywhere on the site to buy the away leg
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: baggy_girl89 on May 07, 2019, 09:33:19 AM
The ticket office is open.

It is not open to call.

Anyone else with a helpful response in relation to their login? Can anyone with an AST (not renewed) actually have the option to even buy one yet?

I've just noticed in my 'Season Ticket' section it says 'expired' which is going to cause a whole heap of issues if that's the same for others considering the season is not over yet and that's supposed to allow myself and others actually get first dibs at these tickets...
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: baggy_girl89 on May 07, 2019, 09:34:26 AM
I'm an away too.

The club need to sort this out - there isn't anywhere on the site to buy the away leg

Cheers for the response. I'm glad it's not just me, but this is going to have a huge knock on effect if they don't sort in the next hour.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on May 07, 2019, 09:38:00 AM
It is not open to call.

Anyone else with a helpful response in relation to their login? Can anyone with an AST (not renewed) actually have the option to even buy one yet?

I've just noticed in my 'Season Ticket' section it says 'expired' which is going to cause a whole heap of issues if that's the same for others considering the season is not over yet and that's supposed to allow myself and others actually get first dibs at these tickets...

Sorry baggy_girl 89 if my response was not helpful but was just saying that the ticket office is open to fans both in person and by phone and as been since 9.00am
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: baggy_girl89 on May 07, 2019, 09:48:47 AM
Sorry baggy_girl 89 if my response was not helpful but was just saying that the ticket office is open to fans both in person and by phone and as been since 9.00am

As I said, it is not open to call - that's all over the website. Clearly they knew this was going to be a cluster and just didn't want to have to deal with the chaos.

Sadly as I am away in London on work, I don't have the option to go to the ticket office either.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 07, 2019, 09:54:18 AM
Sorry baggy_girl 89 if my response was not helpful but was just saying that the ticket office is open to fans both in person and by phone and as been since 9.00am
They have very specifically excluded using the phonelines from this particualr process
"Please note there will be no telephone sales for Play-Off games. The only exception to this is for disabled supporters who should use the designated number sent by email from the Club last week."
Been online meself and there is still no online away tickets options yet
Title: Re: Team
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 07, 2019, 09:56:09 AM
It won't happen, but this what I would go with

                         Bond
Holgate.  Dawson.   Hegazi.      Gibbs
                        Field
Montero.   Johansen. Harper.    Phillips

                       Gayle

Some might say it's harsh on jonstone, but if he makes a big error against these it'll be very hard to come back from .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on May 07, 2019, 09:59:30 AM
They have very specifically excluded using the phonelines from this particualr process
"Please note there will be no telephone sales for Play-Off games. The only exception to this is for disabled supporters who should use the designated number sent by email from the Club last week."
Been online meself and there is still no online away tickets options yet

Sorry Frank I was just saying the ticket office is open but didnt realise that you couldn't ring to sort out a problem.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on May 07, 2019, 10:00:49 AM
:D Put Field on Grealish and follow him wherever he goes...even when he goes for a "slash"...stay with him.

That would fix 70% of Villas' progress.
I agree and I think he's the only player we've got who could do that.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: baggy_girl89 on May 07, 2019, 10:01:45 AM
After pure panic and booting my laptop - the tickets are now up on the website.

Two in the bag for me and the old man, see you all there.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2019, 10:28:10 AM
Anyone else hoping to take advantage of this technological faux pas and get an away ticket earlier than they should?  ;D
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 07, 2019, 10:38:35 AM
Anyone else hoping to take advantage of this technological faux pas and get an away ticket earlier than they should?  ;D
You sir are a very naughty boy!
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Cardiaccarol on May 07, 2019, 10:42:25 AM
Problem now resolved.
Away tickets now available on the site
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: phbaggies on May 07, 2019, 10:55:22 AM
Ive got no chance of getting a ticket for away leg, anyone know if we are planning a big screen at The Hawthorns again?
Title: Where to watch the game?
Post by: dangerman on May 07, 2019, 10:57:40 AM
Where is everyone watching the game this weekend?

I live in South Birmingham so all local pubs will be Vile.

Didn't really fancy going into town but it's looking like my only option.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2019, 11:07:30 AM
Ive got no chance of getting a ticket for away leg, anyone know if we are planning a big screen at The Hawthorns again?


I don't believe this is an option for games shown live on Sky. The away league game wasn't on TV.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 11:08:05 AM
Anyone else hoping to take advantage of this technological faux pas and get an away ticket earlier than they should?  ;D

Yes I did mate, the option to purchase still isn't showing though.

When I logged in it just shows 'no events found'.

13:00 hrs it is then  ;) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: PDB on May 07, 2019, 11:08:49 AM
Does anyone know if we have both the upper and lower sections or just the lower?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 11:11:00 AM
Does anyone know if we have both the upper and lower sections or just the lower?

I'd imagine it's both given we've got 2,000 tickets.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: PDB on May 07, 2019, 11:12:27 AM
I'd imagine it's both given we've got 2,000 tickets.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 11:18:07 AM
The play-offs is anybodies and all this doom and gloom is getting quite annoying, on Facebook to hear some on there we might as well not turn up to both games.

Facebook makes this place look like a Mecca of mature and reasoned debate for high achieving academics and philosophers. I'm not on Facebook but I often see screen shots from it while reading through the 'tw@tter'. 'Empty vessels make the most noise'  ;) .
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 11:20:41 AM
Where is everyone watching the game this weekend?

I live in South Birmingham so all local pubs will be Vile.

Didn't really fancy going into town but it's looking like my only option.

Over at the Seal Pen hopefully Dangerman  ;D  ;) .

SOTV and COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: baggy_girl89 on May 07, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
Does anyone know if we have both the upper and lower sections or just the lower?

Yeah it's both - we've got the corner section upper and lower again in the Doug Ellis.

Still showing around 1250 left...good luck to everyone on the 1pm round.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 11:25:42 AM
Yeah it's both - we've got the corner section upper and lower again in the Doug Ellis.

Still showing around 1250 left...good luck to everyone on the 1pm round.

Don't suppose there's any chance of borrowing your telescopic' for this auspicious occasion is there  ;D ?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Dan87uk on May 07, 2019, 11:31:16 AM
Hoping the tickets hold out until the 9am round tomorrow... I imagine we'll be down to the last hundred or so at most by then though!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: bosh on May 07, 2019, 11:31:22 AM
Don't mind us doing a Pulis and just clogging up the midfield in order to frustrate in the 1st leg. 

Can't have any teams running through our midfield like they are training cones as has happened recently.
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 07, 2019, 12:51:26 PM
I'm not going to watch. I don't think I can stand too.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggiemart on May 07, 2019, 12:53:54 PM
4:5 : 1 for me. 

Lets pack the midfield so they have no where to play.

Johnstone

Holgate, Hegazi, Dawson,  Gibbs

Livermore, Johansson, Brunt, Edwards, Field,

Gayle

Then at half time swap Gayle for Jay Rod.

that midfield has legs with edwards and field, even man mark grealish with field .

I wouldn't even consider Harper.  its quite clear he has got his head in the clouds and is probably off to pastures new.  No great loss.

Frustrate the vile in the 1st leg then go in for the kill in the 2nd leg.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: bosh on May 07, 2019, 12:58:28 PM
Harper is going to start though. If he was going to be dropped,  it would have been in the last couple of matches.

Only change I see if Brunt coming in for Murphy from Sunday. Our midfield will get the runaround as we just can't handle teams driving at us.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 01:05:39 PM
Ticket for me sorted, my lad's got to wait until tomorrow.

COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on May 07, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
Thank god that was sorted with no issues! Was panicking after yesterday’s fiasco
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 07, 2019, 01:14:50 PM
Ticket done for me - that was seamless. Much better.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Ross on May 07, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
AST - can’t buy?? Get passed the quid and the way ticket page just says ‘more inforrmation’ No where t buy tickets. Any help?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 01:17:15 PM
AST - can’t buy?? Get passed the quid and the way ticket page just says ‘more inforrmation’ No where t buy tickets. Any help?

Log in, click on the green box and away you go.
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 01:18:24 PM
Over at the Seal Pen hopefully Dangerman  ;D  ;) .

SOTV and COYB  8) .

Definitely over at the Seal Pen  8) .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Ross on May 07, 2019, 01:22:53 PM
Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: seteefeet on May 07, 2019, 01:33:48 PM
Where is everyone watching the game this weekend?

I live in South Birmingham so all local pubs will be Vile.

Didn't really fancy going into town but it's looking like my only option.
West Brom
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2019, 01:48:32 PM
Bought my Dads for him. System is robust enough that it wouldn't let me blag one for myself at the same time. They've got that right at least.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on May 07, 2019, 01:52:57 PM
I think the team has a chance as long as we don't play Bartley,Murphy or Harper. 2 are awful and 1 doesnt care. We need a runner/tackler in midfield and a ball player. Work the rest around that.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on May 07, 2019, 01:59:53 PM
At least we will score a goal. Jay Rod always scores against them.  8) :D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: garry on May 07, 2019, 02:05:41 PM
Frustration is the name of the game.
Villa supporters know they really need to win their home leg.
Get the half-time level and their supporters will start to vent.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 07, 2019, 02:07:12 PM
2pm Tuesday and I make it 649 tickets left so going to have to make it a very early joing of the queue tomorrow morning methinks, which will probably be a whole lot less painless than braving the vagaries of the website crashing round me ears
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 02:18:53 PM
2pm Tuesday and I make it 649 tickets left so going to have to make it a very early joing of the queue tomorrow morning methinks, which will probably be a whole lot less painless than braving the vagaries of the website crashing round me ears

Had absolutely no problems with the site today Frank.

I honestly wouldn't bother with a queue at the ground tomorrow.

Probably took about two minutes to sort and that includes the payment confirmation.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 07, 2019, 02:41:00 PM
Had absolutely no problems with the site today Frank.

I honestly wouldn't bother with a queue at the ground tomorrow.

Probably took about two minutes to sort and that includes the payment confirmation.
I'll keep an eye on the numbers late tonight early tomorrow and make a final decision then, if the available numbers get quite low then it's plan B below as I can't make it to the home leg I realy want to make it to the away game
Its only a five/ten minute drive from my workplace so weighing up the odds of skipping work for an hour to queue or agonising over a keyboard and then rushing down if the site crashes again because there will be lots like me on 9 away games trying to bang the way in at exactly 9am. I still have the option of doing it on the net on me phone in the queue too!
COYB
SOTV
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 07, 2019, 03:01:26 PM
The other factor I have failed to mention is the weather, forecast is for it to p1ss down tomorrow morning too which might well influence my decision making unless I can nick her indoors big brolly  ???
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 07, 2019, 03:02:48 PM
Frustration is the name of the game.
Villa supporters know they really need to win their home leg.
Get the half-time level and their supporters will start to vent.

I agree. No away goal rule in the play-off's so the pressure really is on them to get a couple of goals. Time for a resurrection of Pulis ball.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 07, 2019, 03:46:01 PM
Completely agree, i know people don't want to be confident just to be crushed by being knocked out, but we're going to be gutted regardless if we go out, so we've got to give ourselves a chance!
It’s not so much that I don’t want to feel confident, I just don’t feel confident. Maybe some, like me, don’t want to invest too much emotion, in the hope that we don’t feel as bad as we did a few years ago. I couldn’t go through that again. I’ve never dreaded a big game involving The Albion. This is a first for me. Maybe I’ll change over the next few days. I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Ross on May 07, 2019, 04:05:31 PM
The green box for online purchase doesn’t show up on our account  :(

My dads is an AST and has had to drive all the way from Liverpool to stand in a queue 400 people long. Lots of others having the same issue.

Can’t belive they haven’t got one person on the telephone  ???
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 07, 2019, 04:28:07 PM
The green box for online purchase doesn’t show up on our account  :(

My dads is an AST and has had to drive all the way from Liverpool to stand in a queue 400 people long. Lots of others having the same issue.

Can’t belive they haven’t got one person on the telephone  ???

Sign into your account.

The green box saying 'add' should magically appear to the right of the grey box which says 'more information'.

I've just done it..... if this doesn't happen for you then you may be using the incorrect password to your/your dad's account.

All of the very best.

(Ed: there are currently 626 tickets remaining for the away tie).
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 07, 2019, 05:20:01 PM
PLEASE NOTE -

AS THERE HAVE BEEN CASES OF PEOPLE OFFERING TICKETS FOR THIS GAME FOR SALE AT ABOVE FACE VALUE PRICES ELSEWHERE ANYONE ON THIS FORUM EITHER OFFERING TICKETS FOR SALE OR REQUESTING THEM AT ABOVE FACE VALUE WILL BE BANNED STRAIGHT AWAY.

WE HAVE HAD A RULE OF ONLY MEMBERS WITH OVER 25 POSTS BEING ALLOWED TO SELL OR REQUEST TICKETS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS THIS WILL BE STRICTLY ADHERED TO AND AGAIN MEMBERS WHO IGNORE THIS WILL BE BANNED FROM THIS SITE, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: viaductbaggies on May 07, 2019, 05:49:43 PM
Why have we only got 2000 tickets for this game ?

I hope we only give them the same
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 07, 2019, 05:50:52 PM
442 for me with Murphy and Bartley no where to be seen.

                           Johnstone
  Holgate. Dawson.        Hagazi.   Gibbs

 Phillips.  Harper.       Johansen.      Brunt

                    Gayle.             Rodriguez
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: kie the baggie on May 07, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
West Brom
Surprised there not opening the hawthorns
Title: Re: Team
Post by: kie the baggie on May 07, 2019, 05:55:17 PM
                     Johnstone
Holgate. Dawson.  Hegazi. Gibbs

Murphy.  Phillips.  Johansson.  Brunt

                       JRod
                                Gayle
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: Adder on May 07, 2019, 06:43:15 PM
Surprised there not opening the hawthorns
Could be some security questions around that option like the possibility of Villa fans without match tickets trying to attend the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: HamsteadHarry on May 07, 2019, 07:13:11 PM
There's every chance of Villa conceding  the first goal and that really puts the pressure on them. A Villa win is by no means certain.
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 07, 2019, 07:34:43 PM
Where is everyone watching the game this weekend?

I live in South Birmingham so all local pubs will be Vile.

Didn't really fancy going into town but it's looking like my only option.
You should be ok in South Brum as all the noses will be supporting us.
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: BB74 on May 07, 2019, 08:02:45 PM
Red Lion on All Saints Way will probably be the best bet for West Brom.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: 17GD on May 07, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
I think some fans are suggesting we'll lose in a bid to ease their sense of sorrow should we actually go on to lose.

We need to be supportive and believe. Enough of the "Villa will win this with ease" that is so prevalent across social media.

I say stick Phillips and Harper on Grealish and that ends Villa's game, as they have no other game except going through him. McGinn could cause us a few problems but I think Hegazi and Dawson should hold him off.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: 17GD on May 07, 2019, 08:26:27 PM
Why have we only got 2000 tickets for this game ?

I hope we only give them the same

Apparently we are only giving them 2,000 tickets too. The segregation barrier cannot be moved, so there will be a section of empty seats on the Villa side.

Personally I think this is too much if they're only giving us 5% of their capacity. We could have given them 1,250.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tuamigos on May 07, 2019, 08:44:48 PM
I think some fans are suggesting we'll lose in a bid to ease their sense of sorrow should we actually go on to lose.

We need to be supportive and believe. Enough of the "Villa will win this with ease" that is so prevalent across social media.

I say stick Phillips and Harper on Grealish and that ends Villa's game, as they have no other game except going through him. McGinn could cause us a few problems but I think Hegazi and Dawson should hold him off.

I've said it before:
we beat veela in the semi's and Derby at Wembley.  Karma  ;D
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2019, 09:00:12 PM
Apparently we are only giving them 2,000 tickets too. The segregation barrier cannot be moved, so there will be a section of empty seats on the Villa side.

Personally I think this is too much if they're only giving us 5% of their capacity. We could have given them 1,250.


2000 is the minimum you can give.
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: kie the baggie on May 08, 2019, 12:33:13 AM
Could be some security questions around that option like the possibility of Villa fans without match tickets trying to attend the Hawthorns.
We did for the league game though, surely just sell tickets for registered fans
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: SmethDan on May 08, 2019, 01:19:43 AM
I'm sure the previous screening v the Vile was via one of our big screens as opposed to a huge screen.

If so then I reckon that would have been pants anyway.

Game might be screened at the Windsor Castle on Sam's Lane in West Brom.

Could any locals to West Brom' confirm if so for those unable to attend Vile Park?
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: baggiejohn on May 08, 2019, 08:42:21 AM
Pubs with Sky Sports

https://pubfinder.sky.com/ (https://pubfinder.sky.com/)

Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 08, 2019, 08:58:37 AM
I'm sure the previous screening v the Vile was via one of our big screens as opposed to a huge screen.

If so then I reckon that would have been pants anyway.

Game might be screened at the Windsor Castle on Sam's Lane in West Brom.

Could any locals to West Brom' confirm if so for those unable to attend Vile Park?

Of all the pubs in West Brom, you suggest that one  :D
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Pureade1 on May 08, 2019, 09:28:46 AM
Our online system is a total farce. Been on this morning from 8.55am . Both me and my dad have a HST amd a renewed HST and have been to more than 6 games. Got through grabbed two seats,  get to the payment point and it keeps saying we cant buy tickets to this game as they are restricted to 0 per person!!! None left on site which is going to mean no chance of them actually sorting it whatever i do and cant ring them becasue they wont answer the phones.

Tinpot attitude again
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Dan87uk on May 08, 2019, 09:34:28 AM
Our online system is a total farce. Been on this morning from 8.55am . Both me and my dad have a HST amd a renewed HST and have been to more than 6 games. Got through grabbed two seats,  get to the payment point and it keeps saying we cant buy tickets to this game as they are restricted to 0 per person!!! None left on site which is going to mean no chance of them actually sorting it whatever i do and cant ring them becasue they wont answer the phones.

Tinpot attitude again

Same mate, just called club secretary to go via that way, gave details etc. she just called back and advised it's because everyone has flooded the system it can;t update properly. and to keep "refreshing"

my tickets will only remain reserved for another 4 mins so... fat chance..
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Pureade1 on May 08, 2019, 09:36:55 AM
Same mate, just called club secretary to go via that way, gave details etc. she just called back and advised it's because everyone has flooded the system it can;t update properly. and to keep "refreshing"

my tickets will only remain reserved for another 4 mins so... fat chance..

35 minutes ive been refreshing for and not working. This clubs attitude to its fans is a joke.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Dan87uk on May 08, 2019, 09:40:51 AM
I should've just gone to the ticket office first thing...
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 08, 2019, 10:32:54 AM
Given the online ticketing farago noted above I'm now very glad I went down and stood in the queue, thankfully they have opened up the Rainbow stand concourse to facilitate the quite long queue somewhere out of the rain.
Got me ticket for seal park happily tucked away in me wallet now
COYB
SOTV
PS most of the queue appeared to be HST holders trying to collect multiple sets of tickets for friends and family
PPS Good luck to those trying for the away tickets  :( just checked and only 42 tickets left by the looks of it  :(
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on May 08, 2019, 10:41:24 AM
Villa Park sorted  ;D
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on May 08, 2019, 10:41:40 AM
Given the online ticketing farago noted above I'm now very glad I went down and stood in the queue, thankfully they have opened up the Rainbow stand concourse to facilitate the quite long queue somewhere out of the rain.
Got me ticket for seal park happily tucked away in me wallet now
COYB
SOTV
PS most of the queue appeared to be HST holders trying to collect multiple sets of tickets for friends and family
PPS Good luck to those trying for the away tickets  :( just checked and only 42 tickets left by the looks of it  :(


I'd have made you all stand in the rain.  8) ;D

I remember an FA Cup tie against Villa in the 90's, I had to lie in a puddle all bloody night outside the ground to get tickets. We then went and got spanked 4-0. Cheers Albion!!  ::)
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 08, 2019, 11:03:13 AM
Villa Park sorted  ;D
Congratulations, how? On line or in person?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: garry on May 08, 2019, 11:10:37 AM

I remember an FA Cup tie against Villa in the 90's, I had to lie in a puddle all bloody night outside the ground to get tickets. We then went and got spanked 4-0. Cheers Albion!!  ::)
Don't remind me.
I was there that day - we were lucky it was only 4 - Dwight Yorke ripped us apart.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on May 08, 2019, 11:27:19 AM
Congratulations, how? On line or in person?

Designated Phone number.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 08, 2019, 11:39:47 AM
Have been feeling negative all week and had decided I couldn’t bare the thought of seeing ya get beat by ‘them’. But at the gym today, quite randomly on a playlist I had on, ‘The Liquidator” came to on and had to resist temptation to treat the good folks of East Yorkshire a rendition of ‘West Brom West Brom, We Hate Villa”. Just reminded me, as if I needed reminding, they are the real enemy, whether or not they hate us or not, I hate that club, and much as losing would hurt, beating them and stopping them getting to Wembley will be oh so sweet and will cause them potential financial problems, so bring it on COYB SOTV.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Pureade1 on May 08, 2019, 11:50:06 AM
Drive up to the club and got it sorted for Saturday COYB SOTV
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: SmethDan on May 08, 2019, 12:24:35 PM
Of all the pubs in West Brom, you suggest that one  :D

Any port in a storm Liam  ;D .
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 08, 2019, 12:40:38 PM
Can't make it to the club today. Think the ticket office may have messed up regards my son's season ticket upgrade from student to under 23 despite having provided both proof of ID and an updated photo via email prior to the April 30th cut off.

Interestingly enough they've had the money for his season ticket all the same and my account shows he's renewed. When I assign a ticket to him the web page won't acknowledge his entitlement even though he's renewed and has the requisite number of away games.

Emails are not being acknowledged and the phones aren't being operated. I've been hitting the refresh button on the basket on and off every few minutes hoping it'll acknowledge his entitlement to a ticket.

Bugger, just been logged off from the main site and placed back into the Queue-it system prior to 13;00 hrs sales. Really not impressed with life at the mo'.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 08, 2019, 01:07:06 PM
Sorry Dan : Sold Out
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 08, 2019, 01:16:07 PM
Sold out

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/may/first-leg-at-villa-sold-out/
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Dan87uk on May 08, 2019, 01:23:29 PM
proper annoyed about the whole thing... I renewed for next season and have been to 7 away games but it wouldn't let me pickup our tickets... waited until 1pm to see if it would rectify itself at the next bracket and still the same problem...

Clearly something wrong with my account but looks like im not the only one either - should have just bloody got up and gone to the ticket office early...
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: kc56wba on May 08, 2019, 01:26:25 PM
Sold out

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/may/first-leg-at-villa-sold-out/

You watch somebody will be selling there ticket for a extortionate price.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 08, 2019, 01:27:00 PM
You watch somebody will be selling there ticket for a extortionate price.

I could think of a few words to describe them..
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: SmethDan on May 08, 2019, 01:28:18 PM
Proper, proper vexed. If anyone has a face value spare for Vile away I'll gladly take it off your hands for my lad. PMs welcomed. Anyone wanting over the odds - don't bother.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: seteefeet on May 08, 2019, 01:41:05 PM
                     Johnstone
Holgate. Dawson.  Hegazi. Gibbs

Murphy.  Phillips.  Johansson.  Brunt

                       JRod
                                Gayle
Can't see us suddenly going 442, think it's probably 352/451

I would go

                        Bond
           Holgate Dawson Hegazi
Phillips Johansson Harper Field Gibbs
               Gayle Rodriguez

Not much chance of a clean sheet but at least a goal threat.

I think we'll see
                        Johnstone
            Dawson Bartley Hegazi
Holgate Johansson Livermore Brunt Gibbs
                 Gayle Rodriguez

No real threat from the bench either way should we go a couple behind but that's nothing new.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on May 08, 2019, 02:22:19 PM
Got mine yesterday and managed to log on a mates account who qualified at 1pm today and must have got very lucky by the look of it getting one then. There were about 11 on there when I got on the second time
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 08, 2019, 03:39:05 PM
You watch somebody will be selling there ticket for a extortionate price.
Not on here they wont Oldbury will have their dangly bits in a vice tout sweet
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: leeiswba on May 08, 2019, 03:58:45 PM
To be honest if you have managed to get a ticket it’s becaise you have done so many away games and got a home season ticket so I can’t imagine there be many of any people looking to sell. Unless they can’t make it but brought one for that reason and I can’t see there being many for that really
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 08, 2019, 07:02:53 PM
After the match at Derby on Sunday, I went away for a few days and planned to get my Villa away ticket online. My son had to go to the ground yesterday after the system did not recognise that I had the required 10 aways. He got them to recheck my history, and got the ticket that I was entitled to. He said that whilst at the ground there were others there with the same problem.
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 08, 2019, 07:15:40 PM
It will be on in the Sportsman, and thats where I will be going for a celebratory pint when I get back from Aston
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Dan87uk on May 08, 2019, 08:15:32 PM
After the match at Derby on Sunday, I went away for a few days and planned to get my Villa away ticket online. My son had to go to the ground yesterday after the system did not recognise that I had the required 10 aways. He got them to recheck my history, and got the ticket that I was entitled to. He said that whilst at the ground there were others there with the same problem.

exact same problem for me with meeting criteria but not being recognised on the system - have now heard several other people having the same problem - absolute shambles
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: vrabbit on May 08, 2019, 10:21:56 PM
it's killing me that it'll be a 4:30am game for me here in Cali but I'll just have to go back to sleep afterwards
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 08, 2019, 10:46:53 PM
7:30 am here in Florida. If I can’t find a bar open, I might be best sleeping and save myself for a mid Tuesday afternoon p!ss up.  :D
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: BalisPen on May 08, 2019, 11:34:00 PM
Surprised there not opening the hawthorns

I don't think we can show this game as it is live on sky, and in essence we'd be in competition with them if we showed it, so there must be some rule not allowing it.

The last game at vile Park was shown on screens because it was not on sky.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: bakebaggie on May 09, 2019, 01:37:24 AM
it's killing me that it'll be a 4:30am game for me here in Cali but I'll just have to go back to sleep afterwards
Same for me, 4:30 AM. Used last Sunday's match as a trial run, wish the match had been better >:(
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 09, 2019, 01:59:02 AM
I can say it no more plainly to the bloke than this. No 5 at the back. No Bartley. Give us a chance, please. It’s all I ask.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: rogerstubbs on May 09, 2019, 08:49:02 AM
Rondon returns to us on Monday, can he play for us on Tuesday?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on May 09, 2019, 08:51:32 AM
Rondon returns to us on Monday, can he play for us on Tuesday?
no, players returning from loan are not eligible.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on May 09, 2019, 11:22:39 AM
I can say it no more plainly to the bloke than this. No 5 at the back. No Bartley. Give us a chance, please. It’s all I ask.

Couldn't agree more, No Bartley = Win
Title: Match Officials
Post by: Powelly on May 09, 2019, 11:41:27 AM
The referee for Saturday's match is Graham Scott, and he'll be assisted by Neil Davies and Derek Eaton - with Simon Hooper as the fourth official.

Scott is yet to referee Albion this season. In his 28 games he has dished out 66 yellow cards and two reds.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: the other AJ on May 09, 2019, 12:38:35 PM
7:30 am here in Florida. If I can’t find a bar open, I might be best sleeping and save myself for a mid Tuesday afternoon p!ss up.  :D

It’s actually ok in Perth for the away leg, nice leisurely 7:30pm kick off in Oz on a Saturday night with my sons and a few beers. It’s the home leg 3am start on a week night that’s going to be the challenge....
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: stoxman on May 09, 2019, 01:36:41 PM
Not on here they wont Oldbury will have their dangly bits in a vice tout sweet

What price are people touting them for?  To be clear, I’m not looking to buy one (or get banned), I’m just curious about what sort of premium people are asking.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2019, 01:49:07 PM
What price are people touting them for?  To be clear, I’m not looking to buy one (or get banned), I’m just curious about what sort of premium people are asking.


Saw 80 notes on fb? Would have to be out of your mind to pay that.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Mister AT on May 09, 2019, 01:49:51 PM
One our footie lads has just been up to the ground to get his little lad the new kit, he doesn't have a season ticket and isn't a member and hes just brought two tickets to the game.

Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2019, 01:58:20 PM
One our footie lads has just been up to the ground to get his little lad the new kit, he doesn't have a season ticket and isn't a member and hes just brought two tickets to the game.


Yup. They have thrown the original system they agreed out the window.  Tickets are effectively on general sale as long as you're on the database.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: seteefeet on May 09, 2019, 02:06:38 PM

Yup. They have thrown the original system they agreed out the window.  Tickets are effectively on general sale as long as you're on the database.
The away game??
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Mister AT on May 09, 2019, 02:10:24 PM
The away game??

Home pal.

Away sold out yesterday I believe.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2019, 02:48:31 PM
The away game??


Mister AT posted in the wrong thread, then I didn't notice...
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: stoxman on May 09, 2019, 04:30:18 PM

Saw 80 notes on fb? Would have to be out of your mind to pay that.

I wonder how that price will change after the 1st leg?  If it’s still all to play for or if it’s a dead rubber...
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2019, 04:58:43 PM
I wonder how that price will change after the 1st leg?  If it’s still all to play for or if it’s a dead rubber...


There are no dead rubbers, the last 2 nights should tell you that.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Windmill Baggy on May 09, 2019, 05:21:39 PM
It's a really strange vibe going into this tie, with a lot of negativity amongst supporters if many of the posts on here are anything to go by.

Villa have certainly been in excellent form of late, which in itself perhaps just about makes them favourites to go up. However I believe that both their's and Albion's first XI are pretty evenly matched and we could turn them over just as easily as they could do us.

If the side picked can play with sufficient desire and hunger over the two legs then we still have every chance of beating Villa and eventually going up. I didn't think Villa looked particularly strong against Leeds and if they play like that against us then I fancy our chances.

The first key is being clinical. We will create chances and if Gayle/Rodriguez/Phillips/Johansen have strong matches we will score goals. The second key is controlled aggressiveness, being smart in our decision making and keeping our cool. Many of the Villa players are very 'streetwise' but they also have a few hot-heads. If we make it difficult for them I can see there being a number of flash-points over the two legs. We can't afford any sending-offs but I can see one of those receiving a red card before the tie is over.

Overall I'm realistically optimistic and looking forward to it. Roll on Saturday lunchtime!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 09, 2019, 06:15:51 PM
Does the away goals rule apply for these fixtures?
COYB
SOTV
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: letmereadposts on May 09, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
I remember the nervousness before Wolves in the play-offs, and that was despite having a much better team.

This time it’s Villa and a pretty even set of starting 11. So it’s understandable we’re not terribly confident considering the potential consequences. Although to repeat what I’ve previously posted; we’re unbeaten scored more goals and more points than Villa.

It’s a tricky time to be an Albion fan. Wolves doing very well and Villa potentially beating us in the play offs will be difficult to stomach. Conversely the prospect of keeping Villa down and having another crack at Premier League would be brilliant.

I’m getting more excited as we approach Saturday, I’m believing the majority of our squad are up for this.

I’m starting to think that the measured expectations both internally and from press other fans could work in our favour.

Villa fans could do with at least a few more years in champ in order to ground them (clearly still arrogant) whilst Albion deserve another crack at top flight football.

Come on Albion, let’s make some history..
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 09, 2019, 06:52:55 PM
Does the away goals rule apply for these fixtures?
COYB
SOTV
Nope. Extra time ... then penalties.  :o
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 10, 2019, 08:53:30 AM
The spotlight is all on them. Everyone expects them to win. Fully fit squad, fans are chirping over the feel good factor at villa park. Time to spring a surprise and take them down a notch :D
Title: Re: Where to watch the game?
Post by: seteefeet on May 10, 2019, 09:02:36 AM
The Sportsman will be chocka as will the Vine and the Desi. Not sure if the Sandwell or the Billiard hall have sky? Will be watching in sunny Tipton then head to West Brom for a celebratory drink afterwards.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: baggiebof on May 10, 2019, 09:27:50 AM
Really tough team selection I think. Personally I think we need to play two up top to get the best out of Rodriguez and Gayle. We haven't shown any capacity to control a game or even defend particular well in order to shut out a game this season but we have shown that we can score goals, we should look to maximise our chances of doing that as we are most successful at it. In order to do that we are probably looking at a 442, 532 or 3412 as they are the formations we have played this season with two up top.

Shan has favoured and has had most success with 532 so i think that is probably what we should go with. However, 532 isn't ideal against a formation with a lone striker as you can have three centre backs marking one player. Ways around this include playing a centre back capable of stepping out and distributing the ball, a centre back that will overlap who Sheffield United play or to have a flexible defence that becomes a back 4 with the ball and a back 5 without. With all of that in mind, I would set up like this:

Johnstone

Holgate
Dawson
Hegazi

Phillips
Harper
Brunt
Johansen
Gibbs

Gayle
Rodriguez

Bond, Bartley, Townsend, Field, Morrison, Edwards, Murphy
Title: Re: Team
Post by: gazberg on May 10, 2019, 10:27:48 AM
Have we tried Holgate at CB? I know he can/has played there before for others. Keeps Bartley out and lets Phillips in.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: seteefeet on May 10, 2019, 11:38:10 AM
Have we tried Holgate at CB? I know he can/has played there before for others. Keeps Bartley out and lets Phillips in.
See above mate, that's what I would go with. Haven't tried it all season though so doubtful we will now.
Bartley will start, need to just accept it and get behind him.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: smethwickw on May 10, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
See above mate, that's what I would go with. Haven't tried it all season though so doubtful we will now.
Bartley will start, need to just accept it and get behind him.

Like their forwards will.  ;D
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2019, 11:53:32 AM
Bartley will start, need to just accept it and get behind him.

No.

This is too important a game to accept such negligence.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: seteefeet on May 10, 2019, 12:03:23 PM
No.

This is too important a game to accept such negligence.
What's the alternative? Not to Bartley but to acceptance?
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2019, 12:14:34 PM
What's the alternative? Not to Bartley but to acceptance?

Moaning like mad on here which I will do when the team news is announced  ;D
Title: Re: Team
Post by: seteefeet on May 10, 2019, 12:24:47 PM
Moaning like mad on here which I will do when the team news is announced  ;D
Can't say I will disagree  :)
Am really trying to condition myself to not get bogged down in the detail for this one. It's 11 vs 11, not bothered who they are, he can put Brunt in goal if he wants.
If I have a voice left come Wednesday I will have failed  :)
Title: Re: Team
Post by: baggiebof on May 10, 2019, 01:00:41 PM
Have we tried Holgate at CB? I know he can/has played there before for others.

We haven't but he has played there plenty for Everton and he seems himself as a centre back as per interviews conducted when arrived. He certainly has the attributes for the reasons I gave in my post, his pace at the back could also be helpful.

See above mate, that's what I would go with. Haven't tried it all season though so doubtful we will now.
Bartley will start, need to just accept it and get behind him.

Agree with this, I doubt we will see it either.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: NJS on May 10, 2019, 01:07:00 PM
                Johnson

Holgate   Dawson   Hegazi   Gibbs

                Field

     Phillips   Johansen   Edwards

           Gayle         Rodriguez

Wouldn't go for Harper in this frenzied atmosphere.
I'm not convinced his heart and mind remains at Albion.
Holgate as CB good idea but has he ever partnered Dawson and Hegazi in a three?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Aussie Baggie on May 10, 2019, 01:16:57 PM
It’s actually ok in Perth for the away leg, nice leisurely 7:30pm kick off in Oz on a Saturday night with my sons and a few beers. It’s the home leg 3am start on a week night that’s going to be the challenge....

Yep, 9.30pm in Sydney but I’ll be at a birthday dinner (mine!) so I’m not likely to see the game unfortunately.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: gazberg on May 10, 2019, 03:10:30 PM
See above mate, that's what I would go with. Haven't tried it all season though so doubtful we will now.
Bartley will start, need to just accept it and get behind him.


I fear you are right, im always behind them all whoever is picked, i just come on here for the moan!I would like to see Holgate at CB, should have been tried before now though. He could be the quick,covering one.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: WBArgo on May 10, 2019, 03:44:10 PM
GK: Johnstone

LB: Gibbs
CB: Hegazi
CB: Dawson
RB: Holgate

LW: Brunt
CM: Field
CM: Harper
RW: Phillips

ST: Rodriguez
ST: Gayle

Ideally I'd have put Livermore in the middle instead of Harper, but he is out. And I know Brunt will be playing in the middle.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: smethwickw on May 10, 2019, 04:31:02 PM
I suspect we'll see:

                            Johnstone

               Dawson    Bartley   Hegazi

Holgate                                              Gibbs

                               Brunt

                      Phillips   Johansen     

                       Gayle   Rodriguez
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on May 10, 2019, 04:51:29 PM
Struggling to get myself in gear for this , If it wasn't against that lot I think I'd be totally washed out over the play offs.
Too many times players good enough on paper have failed us , the club is run by 2 blokes who haven't got a clue and we have indivduals rather than a solid team .
We don't work anywhere near hard enough most of the time and to top it all we painfully let Moore go and replaced him with the Under 23 coach who is doing his best I know but will most probably fall short .
Albion fans expecting a magic switch to be flicked could be in for a shock or its the best version of Rope a Dope I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: SmethDan on May 10, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
Just fkn win.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 10, 2019, 05:25:08 PM
Struggling to get myself in gear for this , If it wasn't against that lot I think I'd be totally washed out over the play offs.
Too many times players good enough on paper have failed us , the club is run by 2 blokes who haven't got a clue and we have indivduals rather than a solid team .
We don't work anywhere near hard enough most of the time and to top it all we painfully let Moore go and replaced him with the Under 23 coach who is doing his best I know but will most probably fall short .
Albion fans expecting a magic switch to be flicked could be in for a shock or its the best version of Rope a Dope I've ever seen.
It’s not impossible, we have a chance, we’ve gotta believe
Title: Re: Team
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 10, 2019, 05:48:20 PM
I suspect we'll see:

                            Johnstone

               Dawson    Bartley   Hegazi

Holgate                                              Gibbs

                               Brunt

                      Phillips   Johansen     

                       Gayle   Rodriguez


Agreed this has been the team they've had in mind since they reverted back to a 3. Phillips ahead of Harper is the only grey area based on the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on May 10, 2019, 06:31:42 PM
It’s not impossible, we have a chance, we’ve gotta believe
I agree mate , my point the majority of the season on and mainly off the pitch has left a sour taste in the mouth.
C.O.Y.B's
Title: Re: Team
Post by: alwaysbilly on May 10, 2019, 07:19:51 PM
                    Johnstone
          Dawson Bartley Hegazi
Holgate                               Gibbs
            Livermore Brunt
                 Johansen
                Gayle Jrod

Try and kill the game and bring it back to the hawthorns

Bartley should be now where near  vile park

If he plays I fear it’ll be out of reach for the second leg - he is awful
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Title: Re: Team
Post by: Atomic on May 10, 2019, 07:24:09 PM
If Bartley plays (and I'm sure he will) I'm going to hide behind the settee and look through my fingers.

I'm sorry but he should be nowhere near the first team he's bottom League one / League two standard. Shocking signing.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: AlbionBest on May 10, 2019, 07:25:54 PM
Not long to go now folks!

So pleased I got a ticket so trying to save my voice tonight so it’s finely tuned by tomorrow lunchtime!  COYB
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tennant1wba on May 10, 2019, 07:36:54 PM
come on the baggie boys
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 10, 2019, 07:52:31 PM
It’s not impossible, we have a chance, we’ve gotta believe
Anything in football is possible. Just look at the CL semifinals this week. However, after 50 years of my believing, apart from a few occasions, it always seemed that the players didn’t believe at the time when it was most needed. I’ve always been the optimist for games like this. I’m expecting the worst. And that’s just not me. The fact that I have an opportunity to watch the game at 7:30 am, and seriously considering giving it a miss, worries me. I’m passing the baton on to a less battle weary fan for tomorrow. Hopefully I’ll want it back on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 10, 2019, 08:21:12 PM
Having watched them all season home and away, I just cannot see them putting three decent performances together which is what is required. I will be there tomorrow giving it everything that I have got, and I hope the players will too.
I have not been at all confident in the run up to the play-offs but for some reason I just have a sneaky feeling that we are going to WIN tomorrow. That'll snape the smarmy gits.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Pie on May 10, 2019, 09:14:50 PM
Has to be 4 at the back for me. It's obvious the centre backs we have are incapable of playing in a back 3.

Also believe Gayle and Rodriguez so much more effective when playing up front together rather than Jay out wide. How we work the midfield to accommodate isn't easy, especially with some players not fit.

Hopefully Appy and Reid have had some positive influence this week and made some difference.

As we have seen this week ANYTHING can happen in football. COYB
Title: Re: Team
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 10, 2019, 09:17:44 PM
No.

This is too important a game to accept such negligence.
You know who scores the winner from a corner now 😉
Title: Re: Team
Post by: saml30 on May 10, 2019, 11:58:36 PM
It won't happen, but this what I would go with

                         Bond
Holgate.  Dawson.   Hegazi.      Gibbs
                        Field
Montero.   Johansen. Harper.    Phillips

                       Gayle

Some might say it's harsh on jonstone, but if he makes a big error against these it'll be very hard to come back from .

Completely forgot about Montero, when was he last seen?
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Adder on May 11, 2019, 12:21:09 AM
Completely forgot about Montero, when was he last seen?
I think we can safely forget about him, will be shocked if he featured in the playoffs. He looked quick playing for Swansea but not for us.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2019, 12:27:37 AM
If it goes to extra time and penalties, it pays to have a big squad. That's why we will miss HRK and looks like Livermore unavailable as well.
We need a strong midfield to stop Villa controlling it. Its going to need players with considerable bottle.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 12:45:40 AM
After all the hand wringing this week it'll be typical Albion to take a comfortbale 2-0 lead back to the Hawthorns, then add another couple at the Shrine for the easiest 4-0 aggregate win you'll see.


Then get done at Wembley.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dan87uk on May 11, 2019, 01:11:19 AM
After all the hand wringing this week it'll be typical Albion to take a comfortbale 2-0 lead back to the Hawthorns, then add another couple at the Shrine for the easiest 4-0 aggregate win you'll see.


Then get done at Wembley.

Loving the optimism, however If we get through both legs without conceding a goal i'd be gobsmacked.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie96 on May 11, 2019, 01:52:53 AM
I’m just praying we’re still in the game after tomorrow. Really feel like we could lose by 3/4  :(
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: the other AJ on May 11, 2019, 03:04:26 AM
Yep, 9.30pm in Sydney but I’ll be at a birthday dinner (mine!) so I’m not likely to see the game unfortunately.

If it’s your birthday then don’t you get to choose the meal time and location with Foxtel conveniently showing the game in the background??😉
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 11, 2019, 05:48:20 AM
Anyone else too excited / sick with worry to sleep? COYB, keep it tight, stay in the tie and we'll smash the bastards at the Hawthorns.

Boing Boing, SOTV
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 11, 2019, 06:33:30 AM
Its today!!!! COYB SOTV though will admit me rear end is twitching something awful
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 11, 2019, 07:24:38 AM
Just about to finish my night shift, time for a few hours kip before kick off  :-X
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: kie the baggie on May 11, 2019, 07:42:50 AM
Just hope we dont get a flat gutless performance.... COYB XXX
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tegga on May 11, 2019, 07:53:03 AM
I’m just praying we’re still in the game after tomorrow. Really feel like we could lose by 3/4  :(
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Exactly how I feel, and to have finished 4th in the division we should be more confident. But, anything can happen in football and let's hope it goes our way.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tuamigos on May 11, 2019, 07:53:48 AM
Just need to be solid and give em nothing.
A small loss acceptable, a draw ok, a win fantastic.
COYB
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tennant1wba on May 11, 2019, 08:03:35 AM
they havent beat us this season yet lets lose all the nagativity and get behind the boys 
bring it ooonnn  crap on the billa
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggies_24 on May 11, 2019, 08:24:24 AM
I think the first 10 - 15 minutes are going to be crucial, Smith will have noted that we have a habit of going through these 15 - 20 minute spells in games where we are utterly woeful (Bristol away first 15, Derby away last 20) I expect Villa to come out flying and try and keep us pinned in our own half, it’s vital we don’t concede early if we do I can see us conceding another 1 or 2 shortly after, we also need to give them something to think about going the other way even if we don’t score we need to offer a threat, if we don’t they will go gung ho and eventually the back line will collapse. I’m really hoping Villa get the balance wrong and come out too attacking we have the players to really punish them if they do.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 09:04:50 AM
Expecting a spanking and only glimmer of hope is that Appleton and Reid have got into these player's. Please no three at the back and no Bartley.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Atomic on May 11, 2019, 09:18:45 AM
I’m just praying we’re still in the game after tomorrow. Really feel like we could lose by 3/4  :(


Same here.

FFS Albion please, for once rise to the occasion and don't let us down.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on May 11, 2019, 09:55:16 AM
Just watched Shans Pre March press conference from yesterday.

If anyone’s looking to feel inspired - don’t bother!

The championship doesn’t seem to have motivated or given our squad the desire for a 46 game season, But I’m hoping they are chomping at the bit for three games. I think the first 45 minutes today is crucial. We must match their intensity.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: sammyg on May 11, 2019, 09:58:17 AM
Lets hope the reported £10M bonus for the players if they get promoted can motivate them
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 11, 2019, 10:42:00 AM
Just parked up at the Yew Tree
Here we go! :D :D :D
COYB
SOTv
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie96 on May 11, 2019, 10:50:23 AM

Same here.

FFS Albion please, for once rise to the occasion and don't let us down.

All season I’ve felt like we have another gear, it’s not happened for the last 46 games.  ;D Please let today be the day!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 10:56:59 AM
Dean Smith trying the mind games with his West Brom are favourites etc. However, all I'm hearing from Villa fans is thrashing us by 3 or 4 goals.

They are back to their usual big headed selves whilst we have prepared quietly. Shan knows the importance of the game (isn't his family all blue noses?) and he will get that across.

I have two concerns going into this game, the way we set up in midfield and the tempo we start the game. If we get the midfield selection right and we can stay in the game the first ten/fifteen minutes I feel we can get something.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: NJS on May 11, 2019, 11:14:37 AM
As above, the one time that we need Livermore's tackling  in midfield, he's out. Ominous.
Still COYB just do your very best.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 11:32:28 AM
As expected Brunt back.Phillipps for Harper. No Harper or tosh in squad.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on May 11, 2019, 11:33:00 AM
Pleased with the team. As strong as we have I think in that formation. Surprised there’s no Harper at all though.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2019, 11:34:16 AM
Who in their right mind would play Bartley? A back 3 as well that has looked disjointed all season and was a shambles last week. Insanity.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2019, 11:35:54 AM
Why have Mears and Townsend on the bench? This the football version of dumb and dumber.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 11:36:09 AM
Pleased with the team. As strong as we have I think in that formation. Surprised there’s no Harper at all though.

Everyone seems to finally have accepted that his mind and future is elsewhere apparently
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: bosh on May 11, 2019, 11:37:09 AM
Safety first today. No dicking about at the back just smash it into the stands and reset the defense.

Bring it back home for the 2nd leg.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: sammyg on May 11, 2019, 11:37:12 AM
If Livermore was fit I’d replace Bartley for him, other than that it’s a strong starting 11 at least.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 11:37:23 AM
What happened to Edwards?!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2019, 11:38:55 AM
No Harper at all.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2019, 11:40:03 AM
Safety first today. No dicking about at the back just smash it into the stands and reset the defense.

Bring it back home for the 2nd leg.

Good luck with that, I’m predicting a circus act. The three centre backs are all over the place (Waghorn free header last week) blaming each other and the midfield of Brunt, Phillips and Johansen hasn’t a single player capable of tackling the opposition. I’m expecting Bartley to do a lot of finger pointing and Brunt to get booked for endless stupid fouls.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: baggy_girl89 on May 11, 2019, 11:40:45 AM
Just got in from London and on my way up to the ground. I was feeling rather sick already and after seeing Bartley in the starting line up, this may just tip me over.

I hope I eat my words, but I expect to concede a hatful for certain today now. I just don’t understand why we persist with a failing system.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: wbawill on May 11, 2019, 11:43:12 AM
Bartley... We're screwed. No idea why you'd have Montero on the bench either.

I really hope this comment ages badly and we win 2-0 with goals from Bartley and Montero  ;D
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 11:44:33 AM
No tosh either. Gone for Mears instead.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gerry m on May 11, 2019, 11:52:38 AM
No Edwards or Harper and Mears on the bench. Nerves starting to kick in now COYB!
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 12:00:09 PM
Shan doesn't know his best 11  :o slowest midfield possible and Montero comes on to bench from know where F ing clueless
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 12:08:11 PM
I'd like to think the boards/Jenkins heads will roll after the inexcusable appointments of Darren Moore and Shan but i fear more of the same next season.

Still a minimum of 180 minutes gametime left so so let's get the lads regardless.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 11, 2019, 12:08:35 PM
That team sheet  :o F*** it. COYB!!! SOTV
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 12:13:21 PM
Am I the only one thinking that's the best team he had available or am I completely wrong?

Yeah there are concerns but I don't know what more could be done?

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tuamigos on May 11, 2019, 12:14:08 PM
Today we need them all to step up to the plate.
COYB
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: the other AJ on May 11, 2019, 12:15:24 PM
Trying to force a spag bol down my neck here in Oz before the game to soak up the beer. My appetites gone...........
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2019, 12:15:36 PM
Am I the only one thinking that's the best team he had available or am I completely wrong?

Yeah there are concerns but I don't know what more could be done?
If they insist on 5 3 2 I agree , no Harper so not much more to be done.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: tuamigos on May 11, 2019, 12:17:16 PM
Am I the only one thinking that's the best team he had available or am I completely wrong?

Yeah there are concerns but I don't know what more could be done?

Your probably right but its a poor 11 at that. We spluttered and coughed all season never got running properly. I think the points total has masked how poor the squad is.
Shows how poor we are when it looks as though we will miss having HRK to call on.
We need blood and guts of em for the next 90 minutes.
COYB
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 12:22:08 PM
No bite in our midfield and a weird bench I think is where most people's frustration comes from. I'd rather have Tosh and Harper on the bench than Mears and Montero but Shan's the man.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
COYB PUT IN A PERFORMANCE FOR ONCE.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: socalbaggie on May 11, 2019, 12:26:19 PM
Nervous as hell but will be watching and hoping for the best. They guys better be up for this starting from the opening whistle!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 12:29:38 PM
Decent atmosphere, but of course they don't care about us.

Title: Re: Team
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2019, 12:31:53 PM
I think we can safely forget about him, will be shocked if he featured in the playoffs. He looked quick playing for Swansea but not for us.
But then again 😀
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 12:38:19 PM
Gayle on his own as per usual.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 12:42:28 PM
We're half asleep...No get up ad go.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 12:44:04 PM
Almost
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 11, 2019, 12:44:17 PM
Jrod hits the bar, first real foray forward for us!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 12:44:32 PM
We're half asleep...No get up ad go.

I don't agree. Trying to keep it tight and frustrate.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 12:45:34 PM
Good chance by JRod, unlucky.

Their keeper isn't all that. Start sticking some balls on his head, make him panic.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 12:48:15 PM
Boom boom boom.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on May 11, 2019, 12:48:25 PM
Aston Villa  0 - 1  West Bromwich Albion

Gayle
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 12:48:33 PM
YES GET IN THERE BOING BOING
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: glosterbaggie on May 11, 2019, 12:48:38 PM
0-1 Gayle
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 12:48:49 PM
Gayle !!!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 12:49:06 PM
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the Villa fans will start to moan! Perfect start!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 11, 2019, 12:49:58 PM
Mistake by the villa, Gayle goal. Very similar to all of those we conceded earlier in the season!

Cracking tackle there by Jrod on Grealish
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 12:52:15 PM
Perfect start if I am honest. Kept it tight, nicked a goal.

What we need to do now, is just not do anything stupid. The Villa fans will quickly turn.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2019, 12:55:05 PM
Fantastic start
We are better than we give ourselves credit for

I think across the 2 legs villa will now need to score 3 at least to have a chance (we will score at home)...based on this one more today could be enough, catch them on the break and get 3 today and we are as good as through

COYB
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 12:56:32 PM
Brilliant by Bartley. Words I thought I’d never say
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
Fantastic start
We are better than we give ourselves credit for

I think across the 2 legs villa will now need to score 3 at least to have a chance (we will score at home)...based on this one more today could be enough, catch them on the break and get 3 today and we are as good as through

COYB

Love the optimism.  ;D

I'm more comfortable playing away than at home, especially how fickle Villa fans are (and now some of our lot too may I add).

Long way to go yet.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 11, 2019, 12:56:54 PM
BOOM BOOM BOOM.

And fair play to Bartley there, superb defending.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 12:57:56 PM
Fantastic start
We are better than we give ourselves credit for

I think across the 2 legs villa will now need to score 3 at least to have a chance (we will score at home)...based on this one more today could be enough, catch them on the break and get 3 today and we are as good as through

COYB

No offence intended but i think that's a very naive attitude that one more today may be enough.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 01:01:43 PM
Gayle playing well at the moment.

We still look at bit shaky in posession, which worries me a little.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 01:01:53 PM
I am not at work hiding in another room watching the game on my laptop with other tabs open to cover it up if anybody comes in....not at all
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 01:03:48 PM
I am not at work hiding in another room watching the game on my laptop with other tabs open to cover it up if anybody comes in....not at all

I believe you....  ;D

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 01:06:40 PM
Phillips is having a mare
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
Silly booking there, messing around with the ball again.

We don't look too clever down our right at the moment.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 01:08:50 PM
Phillips is having a mare

A lack of game time you think
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 01:10:10 PM
Brunt needs to calm down a little and stop playing silly balls.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 01:10:26 PM
We look good all over I think & our passing to
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 01:10:48 PM
Only Gayle playing
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 01:14:54 PM
Only Gayle playing

Yes but the others are allowing him that freedom to play jrod is playing in the midfield alot
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2019, 01:17:53 PM
No offence intended but i think that's a very naive attitude that one more today may be enough.
We shall see
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 01:18:05 PM
Doesn't look good for Dawson.

Maybe Holgate to CB and Phillips to wing back?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 01:20:27 PM
Dawson back on. Probably looking to get to half time.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 01:21:17 PM
A lack of game time you think

When he’s on form with confidence he’s a world beater, but the rest of the time he’s a passenger.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 01:22:25 PM
We shall see

Certainly hope you're right!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tennant1wba on May 11, 2019, 01:22:34 PM
that will do
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on May 11, 2019, 01:23:06 PM
Half Time

Aston Villa  0 - 1  West Bromwich Albion
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 01:23:47 PM
Perfect 1st half performance  :D
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 01:23:58 PM
Perfect first half for me.

Much of the same second half really. Keep it tight and don't panic if they get a goal back.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 01:24:28 PM
Gayle has been immense
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gerry m on May 11, 2019, 01:24:41 PM
Been pretty solid so far but would like us to close down a bit more
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 01:24:58 PM
Half Time

Aston Villa  0 - 1  West Bromwich Albion
I'll take that at full time.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 11, 2019, 01:25:28 PM
I'll take that, Villa fans starting get get frustrated as predicted above (sorry can't remember who said that).

Just got to keep an eye on the number of bookings we're collecting
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 01:25:40 PM
Villa friend of mine moaning how negative were being. I think he’s set us up superbly so far.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 01:25:52 PM
That is an excellent 1st half. Bartley has been superb. One more will finish these off.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Foster#1 on May 11, 2019, 01:26:06 PM
Any photos of gayles celebration ? Love it
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: koren on May 11, 2019, 01:26:28 PM
Good 1st half, but we have to keep concentrated in 2nd half
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
1/4 of the tie has gone our way. I almost don’t want Gayle putting that much effort in this early on. He looks shot already. Hopefully we don’t sit too deep second half. Just need to try to take advantage of any silly defensive errors they make and keep calm.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 01:27:23 PM
Great first half.  Kept it tight and still carried a threat.  Would like to see Brunt and Johannson getting forward a bit more but we are frustrating them at the moment.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: 17GD on May 11, 2019, 01:27:48 PM
A few scares but we've played well. Villa have definitely had the better of the play but we've defended well. Tidy finish by Gayle.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 11, 2019, 01:29:42 PM
Brilliant. And for all the stick that Bartley has (rightly) got this season, if he had to pick a game to perform in he's picked the right onem
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 01:33:52 PM
A perfect 1st half desplay
Now I remember why I'm a baggie.
Same again lads please.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
Mears for Daws, Holgate into back 3.


Christ I hope this works.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 01:38:45 PM
Mears on
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: ComebackStrodds on May 11, 2019, 01:39:43 PM
Tyrone Mears....... :-[
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on May 11, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
Not confident in our ability to sit back like this all game and not concede.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 11, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
Starting to invite too much pressure, need to get on the ball
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: zippyandbungle on May 11, 2019, 01:49:18 PM
I'd be tempted to rest Gayle now
Montero on and Phillips wide (both as par of a 5) with j rod lone target man
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 01:49:33 PM
We are backing off and passing back.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 01:53:56 PM
Villa have come out all guns blazing just need
To keep our shape
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 01:57:24 PM
Gloves are coming off ;)
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 01:59:09 PM
Lost our cool
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 02:00:27 PM
Lost our cool

So has Dean Smith  :D
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: mulliganstired on May 11, 2019, 02:06:33 PM
 Gayle's got no self control, he makes stupid challenges, get him off the pitch or he'll miss Tues.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 11, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
Hegazi is an absolute pillar today.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on May 11, 2019, 02:08:57 PM
Aston Villa  1 - 1  West Bromwich Albion

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 02:09:03 PM
Good goal but who the **** should have been marking him
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 02:09:37 PM
Can't panic now.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on May 11, 2019, 02:09:49 PM
5 players to Grealish..like watching the under 7's play.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 11, 2019, 02:09:52 PM
Good goal but who the **** should have been marking him

Well we had 9 outfield players INSIDE the box. So will hazard a guess at one of them. That was an embarrassment.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:09:59 PM
I can see them winning. We are backing off and backing off. >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gerry m on May 11, 2019, 02:10:10 PM
All the time in the world
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wba_1996 on May 11, 2019, 02:10:44 PM
If you spend all game on the edge of your own box then that’s what happens. Pathetic attitude that I thought we’d seen the end of when Pauli’s went.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on May 11, 2019, 02:11:28 PM
Penalty to Villa
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 02:11:33 PM
Dreadful 10 minutes. Sums up our season. Gayle fails to put Murphy through, then we concede twice.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:11:50 PM
Penalty...That is what comes of backing off !!!!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 02:12:05 PM
One game, sums up our season.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on May 11, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
Aston Villa  2 - 1  West Bromwich Albion
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 02:12:24 PM
Bringing on Mears has done us, second half we’ve had no shape. Big decisions for managers to make and ours cocked it up
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on May 11, 2019, 02:12:47 PM
Not confident in our ability to sit back like this all game and not concede.
Shock.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:13:02 PM
Why do we back off and give them the ball?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on May 11, 2019, 02:13:08 PM
We deserve to lose this, no attempt from us to play football.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on May 11, 2019, 02:13:22 PM
Villa of all teams to lose to and at the most important times. Cheating Scum COYB get an equaliser
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 02:13:41 PM
Why is our midfield so deep? 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 02:15:04 PM
That should be a penalty to us.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:15:20 PM
Repeat..Why are we backing off and passing back. Don't we know where their goal is?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on May 11, 2019, 02:15:29 PM
Why is our midfield so deep?
Instruction. We should've appointed Dean Smith at the start of the season and signed a central midfielder (as many of us said at the time). This club is tediously predictable.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 11, 2019, 02:15:35 PM
Getting nothing from the ref
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: miggybaggy on May 11, 2019, 02:15:59 PM
Why is our midfield so deep?

Do we actually have a midfield?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: GREGMT on May 11, 2019, 02:16:46 PM
Performance levels absolutely woeful
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:16:59 PM
We have got to turn this around
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: albion59 on May 11, 2019, 02:17:30 PM
He is a disgrace
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gerry m on May 11, 2019, 02:17:38 PM
That's a stonewall penalty how did the ref not give that
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 02:17:57 PM
That was as clear as day!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:18:21 PM
Old man Morrison on
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 02:18:27 PM
Need to stay in the tie. Keep your heads.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wba_1996 on May 11, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
Yep should have appointed their manager when we had the chance, like I’ve been saying all season. Would be nice to watch a team that plays football and attempts to win football matches. If there was ever a club that deserved to stay down it’s us, zero ambition from those at the top.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: miggybaggy on May 11, 2019, 02:18:52 PM
Why is our midfield so deep?

Our complete lack of a meaningful midfield has been our biggest problem for three years...now the chickens have come home to roost.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
Disgusting refereeing.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: miggybaggy on May 11, 2019, 02:20:58 PM
Idiot. Season over. :(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 11, 2019, 02:21:03 PM
Gayle Red and no HRK for tuesday, now we're in the cack
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:21:34 PM
Gayle off  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kris_boing on May 11, 2019, 02:21:49 PM
Idiot Gayle.  What was he thinking?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 11, 2019, 02:22:08 PM
Unbelievable decision by the ref. As its 2 x yellows it cant be rescinded.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: east-stand-nick on May 11, 2019, 02:22:14 PM
Gayle you idiot. Both bookings needless.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Atomic on May 11, 2019, 02:22:20 PM
Ref is a fucking joke given us nothing all game.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:22:30 PM
Old men in midfield and no forwards.  >:(
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 02:22:36 PM
He has to go for the ball. Never a yellow card.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 02:22:42 PM
We’re absolutely fucked now.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wabooz on May 11, 2019, 02:22:45 PM
There was nothing in it, his studs were on the ground.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 02:23:26 PM
To me he has to go for that. Not even a foul in my eyes
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boingboing1989 on May 11, 2019, 02:23:33 PM
Absolute joke, he never even touched him. He sent him off because of what he was doing earlier in the half.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: wba_1996 on May 11, 2019, 02:23:39 PM
Meh, you make your own luck and we don’t deserve any with the way we have set up today and the way the club is run. This is everything I expected this match to be.

Season over. Jenkins out.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 11, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
Tie over.

August in the championship for us.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
7 mins for us to score
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: albion59 on May 11, 2019, 02:24:33 PM
Idiot Gayle.  What was he thinking?
He never touched him and he had every right to go for that ball. So not an idiot at all. The only idiot on the pitch is that excuse for a ref.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 02:25:04 PM
Joke of a decision by tosser of a ref he needs to be investigated
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: frazzle on May 11, 2019, 02:25:14 PM
Stupid from Gayle.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: stoxman on May 11, 2019, 02:25:37 PM
We thought we were screwed when Gayle was banned last time.  We did ok.  Keep the faith with JRod up front on his own.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on May 11, 2019, 02:26:19 PM
Yep should have appointed their manager when we had the chance, like I’ve been saying all season. Would be nice to watch a team that plays football and attempts to win football matches. If there was ever a club that deserved to stay down it’s us, zero ambition from those at the top.
Absolutely. I actually take some comfort in us losing this, because as a club we don't deserve promotion.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:26:44 PM
Back to hoofing and hoping ala Pulis.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on May 11, 2019, 02:28:00 PM
Absolutely. I actually take some comfort in us losing this, because as a club we don't deserve promotion.
I actually wouldn’t be bothered about not going up as we are nowhere near good enough, I just don’t want Vile to go up at our expense.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kris_boing on May 11, 2019, 02:28:23 PM
Gayle was lucky to stay on the pitch up until he got sent off with his antics all game.  Hopefully we can keep this at 1-2.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on May 11, 2019, 02:28:33 PM
I actually wouldn’t be bothered about not going up as we are nowhere near good enough, I just don’t want Vile to go up at our expense.
Hopefully they lose in the final.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:28:42 PM
Getting nothing from the ref

The build up to the second villa goal was never a foul by Gibbs. If it’s not a foul on Gayle up the other end of the pitch for exactly the sameness infringement then that wasn’t either. 
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: section5 on May 11, 2019, 02:29:55 PM
Had we gone for the man in the opposite dugout at the start of the season with moore as assistant like Terry is at villa I feel we would have finished at least two places higher.  Too risky to appoint a rookie manager considering whats at stake
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on May 11, 2019, 02:31:08 PM
Gayle was miles away from getting that, poor. Even if you think it wasn't a booking you sense had another one coming before full time anyway.

If we don't go up, I bloody hope we appoint an attacking coach and prioritize ballplaying centre mids for our recruitment
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on May 11, 2019, 02:31:26 PM
Full Time

Aston Villa  2 - 1  West Bromwich Albion
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2019, 02:32:25 PM
Bringing on Mears cost us. First half we were fine, it was an awful substitution. That’s what you employ experienced managers for.

Without Gayle we have no chance.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 02:32:30 PM
Dreadful 2nd half. Dreadful referee. Cheers Jenkins you absolute c**t. No manager has cost us big time.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tuamigos on May 11, 2019, 02:33:44 PM
Not out of it yet but difficult to see how JRod alone will see us over the line
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggies_24 on May 11, 2019, 02:33:56 PM
Shocking from the ref was never in a million years a yellow for the 2nd what’s he suppose to do?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 02:34:18 PM
Trash board, trash bench selection

Ref was also awful but most of our problems are from within.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on May 11, 2019, 02:34:38 PM
Has to be Murphy up front I suppose
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on May 11, 2019, 02:34:44 PM
Better than I expected to be honest. Can’t believe we didn’t get the penalty on Holgate. Gayle outstanding but he’s also cost us. I don’t see us getting through now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 02:35:12 PM
Game of 2 halfs we looked good & soild & kepted grelish quite 2nd smith brought on houlahan & Changed the game. We were robed a cerrten pen. Still in it so coyb
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 11, 2019, 02:35:50 PM
Oh come on guys, we still have a chance! It’s a one goal deficit and we’re at home, I still think we can do this!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: koren on May 11, 2019, 02:36:02 PM
Shan's changes ruined the game.
Murphy replaced Philips at midfield is a joke, since then the compactness at the back has gone. Their 1st goal proved that.
Field should be the 1st choice to come on.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 11, 2019, 02:36:20 PM
An appaling second half. Meats, Murphy what the hell did anyone see in those?

Get a proper manager. Younger hungrier players and build agin
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 02:37:02 PM
JENKINS OUT FOOL HAS COST US ANY CHANCE OF GOING UP
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wbawill on May 11, 2019, 02:37:33 PM
Daylight robbery from the referee. Every single big decision went against us. That said, it was a mistake from Shan to not take Gayle off because it had been coming. Also, Hourihane should have been banned after the Leeds game. The FA are determined to see Villa up!!!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2019, 02:38:34 PM
Feelings running high but Phillips was blown , he had to come off .
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: darbolina on May 11, 2019, 02:38:48 PM
we offered very little really. Committed, organised and Gayle is dangerous but lets be honest we're a bit of a nothing team lacking ideas. We might be able to luck it on penalties but I'm expecting Villa to finish us convincingly in the 2nd leg without Gayle our only goal threat.

The time to judge the season will be upon us soon and unless we somehow manage a miracle with these players, I think Jenkins , Lai and Dowling should expect pelters for another season of weird decision making from start to finish.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:38:54 PM
Shocking from the ref was never in a million years a yellow for the 2nd what’s he suppose to do?

Exactly so why are the commentators not saying the same thing? I couldn’t believe it!

The build up to the second villa goal was never a foul by Gibbs. If it’s not a foul on Gayle up the other end of the pitch for exactly the same infringement (poke in eyeball) then that wasn’t either.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on May 11, 2019, 02:39:07 PM
Atrocious refereeing that. Stonewall penalty for us and the most pathetic red card I’ve seen in some time. Didn’t play badly, Johansen in particular was superb until he got knackered. Phillips looked out of it, possibly should’ve played more minutes in the league to build up more fitness.

Our bench is absolutely awful.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wba_1996 on May 11, 2019, 02:40:01 PM
I’m not too disappointed with the score, I was expecting to lose by more. Keeps us in with a puncher’s chance in the second leg. Realistically though, we’re playing Championship football again next season, which is exactly what the club deserve and something I accepted well before we replaced P.E teacher 1 with P.E teacher 2.

We’ve been anywhere between poor and embarrassing all season, individual quality alone has carried us to 4th. All we needed to get automatic promotion was to appoint a proper head coach but Jenkins decided he’d rather sabotage the clubs future for the sake of a few pennies.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wabooz on May 11, 2019, 02:41:10 PM
we offered very little really. Committed, organised and Gayle is dangerous but lets be honest we're a bit of a nothing team lacking ideas.

Couldn't agree more. We've got away with it in a lot of games this season - not today.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: fatboy_coach on May 11, 2019, 02:41:16 PM
Not out of it, I guess we get a different ref on Tuesday? Sky and the press are pushing for their cream 'Chelsea old boy' Wembley date with Derby and Villa.....

I guess we might go with Philips up front but who comes into the midfield? Harper I guess?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2019, 02:43:29 PM
Thought we set up well enough , had a good hold of the game too.
Losing Dawson put us in trouble plus Jrod vanishing from the game 2nd half after being one of the best players on the pitch 1st half.
Superb goal from Gayle , stupid challenge on the keeper though after already being booked .
Looks like the injuries are mounting up for the 2nd leg , not sure we havd enough to turn it round.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: maximus on May 11, 2019, 02:45:25 PM
If the keeper fumbles it Gayle gets lambasted for not going for it, Disgusting 2nd yellow and had a bad feeling about that ref before the game. And proved my instinct when he should have gave us a pen aswell.

They can be got at, But Villa will now set up to counter us which without Gayle can't see us penetrating.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: superkev on May 11, 2019, 02:45:34 PM
Please no lightweight Murphy ever again
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 02:46:53 PM
If we had a CB on the bench (Tosin) we wouldn't have had to change a lot but having only Mears to call upon cost us.

Not a foul for me so i don't blame Gayle, he's trying to score.

Should have kept it simple.

We now need to call upon Edwards/Murphy/Phillips to go up top.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: johnny Cash on May 11, 2019, 02:47:22 PM
Gayle was warned shortly after his booking so I think the sending off was more for ‘totting up’. Don’t think it was a booking it’s own.

Uphill battle but not impossible.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 02:47:57 PM
Good first half, shocking second.  Villa deserved the win.

The sub that killed us was Phillips for Murphy,  all the problems we had then came down that side as Gibbs was exposed.

Gayle's first yellow was stupid.  Second was never a yellow, he has to go for that ball and he pulled out if the challenge.  Again, ref easily persuaded.

Clearly a pen for us, not given.  The ref was influenced by the crowd all game.

Match was lost with Brunt and Johansson in the middle.  They dropped too deep all game.  Never got forward and never offered any support.  Out of the two Brunt was the worst, last 20 mins he had just given up.

No way will we get a result on Tuesday.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
Yep leaving Tosh out was insane. Shan and co clueless, just mirroring their superiors.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: jonny on May 11, 2019, 02:51:08 PM
Only one goal in it. At home weve been able to grind out results. Still doable if it’s a different ref!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Tony on May 11, 2019, 02:52:22 PM
Good first half, shocking second.  Villa deserved the win.

The sub that killed us was Phillips for Murphy,  all the problems we had then came down that side as Gibbs was exposed.

Gayle's first yellow was stupid.  Second was never a yellow, he has to go for that ball and he pulled out if the challenge.  Again, ref easily persuaded.

Clearly a pen for us, not given.  The ref was influenced by the crowd all game.

Match was lost with Brunt and Johansson in the middle. They dropped too deep all game.  Never got forward and never offered any support.  Out of the two Brunt was the worst, last 20 mins he had just given up.

No way will we get a result on Tuesday.

Agree re Brunt but thought Johanson was doing a good job on Grealish until he tired in the second half. Can't blame him for tiring when he was effectively doing the job of 3 in the middle since Brunt did absolutely nothing all game except take corners - not a single forward pass nor much defensively - and Murphy is as lightweight as they come. Bringing on Field or Morrison for Phillips would have been the better change in hindsight.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aussie Baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:52:28 PM
Are there grounds for us to appeal Gayle’s red?

It was a harsh decision, he’s committed, how the hell is he supposed to pull out.

Telecast I was watching had the commentators saying they thought it was harsh too.

Can we appeal?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2019, 02:52:34 PM
Were a one man team and that man is suspended for the return leg. Our players are thick. No common sense between them. How did the management not see that we needed another striker? Loads of old overpaid players eating away at our parachute payments. We’re incredibly slow and infirm, that midfield can’t get around the pitch and the defending was way too deep second half. Be a miracle if we do anything in the home match.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiemart on May 11, 2019, 02:52:46 PM
It was always going to be tough against the inform team of the division but if Gayle hadn't been sent off I would fancy us.  Probably Gayle's last game for us which is disappointing.

It's up to the kids to stand up and be counted.  we have some good kids and we should have been playing them a lot more this season.

So now Shan needs to tell the kids on Tuesday "  Go on son , make yourself a hero !" 
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on May 11, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
I'm a big fan but thought Brunt didn't deliver Today , was looking to him for more really .
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Andio on May 11, 2019, 02:53:41 PM
Only one goal in it. At home weve been able to grind out results. Still doable if it’s a different ref!

Different set of officials for the home tie. Graham Kavanagh is the ref.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2019, 02:54:03 PM
We've won 2 games at home by 3 goals under Shan and have 100% record at home under him, let's hope he can keep it up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on May 11, 2019, 02:54:28 PM
Manager thinks we were “very, very good” - head in clouds.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: jonny on May 11, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
It was always going to be tough against the inform team of the division but if Gayle hadn't been sent off I would fancy us.  Probably Gayle's last game for us which is disappointing.

It's up to the kids to stand up and be counted.  we have some good kids and we should have been playing them a lot more this season.

So now Shan needs to tell the kids on Tuesday "  Go on son , make yourself a hero !"

He would be back for the final. I’d fancy us to win by one at home
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Andio on May 11, 2019, 02:54:46 PM
Are there grounds for us to appeal Gayle’s red?

It was a harsh decision, he’s committed, how the hell is he supposed to pull out.

Telecast I was watching had the commentators saying they thought it was harsh too.

Can we appeal?

Unfortunately not, it's 2 bookings, only a straight red can be appealed.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 11, 2019, 02:54:57 PM
I watched it against my better judgement. Us not getting our penalty is so par for the course against this lot. Gayle was a red card waiting to happen regardless of whether he touched the keeper. We need a miracle now. And that rarely happens to us.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: sammyg on May 11, 2019, 02:55:01 PM
We’ve just got to go out there and try and win, nothing to lose now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 11, 2019, 02:55:24 PM
Factors you cannot blame Shan for:

1. Kanu red stopped Shan bringing Gayle off today when he should come off with 15 to go. Kanu would have been the natural choice.
2. No difference between hand in face on Gayle to the one by Gibbs that led to the goal. Why is one a free kick and the other not?
3. Penalty for push on Holgate was not given? Why?
4. Dawson had a head injury which limited our options.
5. Brunt lost his shape and got drawn to Grealish and left space at he top for the first goal.
6. Stupid lunge by Gibbs for pen.
7. Gayle is on a yellow, why is he diving in? However, I think a yellow is harsh. Even Hendrie says so

Gayle red is the killer ultimately. Would have fancied us at 2-1.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 02:55:29 PM
Johansen was the pick of the midfield. Brunt waste of time. Severely limited for options for the return leg. Hopefully Dawson isn't too bad either.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frankieb on May 11, 2019, 02:57:43 PM
Brunt didn't  deliver? When has he.? Joke that we are relying  on a player like him. Joke club.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 02:57:53 PM
Agree re Brunt but thought Johanson was doing a good job on Grealish until he tired in the second half. Can't blame him for tiring when he was effectively doing the job of 3 in the middle since Brunt did absolutely nothing all game except take corners - not a single forward pass nor much defensively - and Murphy is as lightweight as they come. Bringing on Field or Morrison for Phillips would have been the better change in hindsight.

Yeah, you're rigjt to be fair.  Johanson kept Grealish out of the game first half.  I think Phillips also helped with his running as Grealish was constantly tracking him back. 

Shan needed to change it in the middle.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: superkev on May 11, 2019, 02:59:21 PM
Time for the Montero Man
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dan on May 11, 2019, 02:59:44 PM
We've been awful under Shan away from home so was expecting defeat here, what is that now, 5 or 6 away without a win, about 4 losses?

Worst referee we've had this season but if you would will bring on and leave us with a 2 man midfield you invite the problems we had.

Over a year on from pulis and we've regressed back to that standard but in a league lower. Probably our next manager too.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:00:01 PM
Albion need to report ref and make big deal about it
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: koren on May 11, 2019, 03:00:18 PM
Yeah, you're rigjt to be fair.  Johanson kept Grealish out of the game first half.  I think Phillips also helped with his running as Grealish was constantly tracking him back. 

Shan needed to change it in the middle.
Shan made changes. He brought on Jacob Murphy. ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wba1993dave on May 11, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
Is it me or did we look unfit ? ???
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on May 11, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
I honestly think emotions are running high but people saying we have no chance? Come on now, of course we have a good chance. I know we are missing two strikers but it’s one goal deficit. We just need to stand up for ourselves and if we make the hawthorns a cauldron Tuesday, I fancy us, I really do.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 03:03:14 PM
Shan made changes. He brought on Jacob Murphy. ;D

True, I meant more Brunt and/or Joahnsson.  Neither of them got near the ball second half.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 11, 2019, 03:04:51 PM
We've looked unfit and lacking in tempo all year.

Shan tactically did exactly what I would have done with our aging squad. Keep us in it by being defensive.

Field for Phillips would have been my choice...

Not over yet, but us breaking a team down without Gayle is a worry..
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 11, 2019, 03:06:22 PM
Can't see us winning by 2 clear goals against the crap from this position without Gayle {no away goals rule in the play-offs} but stranger things have happened. Maybe penalties will decide it?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Tony on May 11, 2019, 03:06:49 PM
I honestly think emotions are running high but people saying we have no chance? Come on now, of course we have a good chance. I know we are missing two strikers but it’s one goal deficit. We just need to stand up for ourselves and if we make the hawthorns a cauldron Tuesday, I fancy us, I really do.

We're not out of this yet. Yes we've not got Gayle but that just means somebody else will have to step up. Liverpool came back without Salah and Firmino, as did Spurs without Kane - footballs a funny old game.

We just need to believe and get behind the boys even more on Tuesday now. COYB
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 03:08:12 PM
If we are to stand a chance the Hawthorns has got to scream and appeal for everything.  Really pile the pressure on the ref to give decsions our way.  It worked fir Villa today.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: koren on May 11, 2019, 03:08:20 PM
We've looked unfit and lacking in tempo all year.

Shan tactically did exactly what I would have done with our aging squad. Keep us in it by being defensive.

Field for Phillips would have been my choice...

Not over yet, but us breaking a team down without Gayle is a worry..
Agree. can't understand why Field once again overlooked by the coaching staff.
Murphy ahead of Field is a poor decision by Shan.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:09:29 PM
Sat back too deep Brunt did nothing in midfield for me and would have preferred Harper to give Johansen more help. Villa were there for the taking if we had a coach with balls.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gerry m on May 11, 2019, 03:10:55 PM
Poor choices bringing on Mears and Murphy. How we did not get a penalty is beyond me. Watching the game in a pub in Folkestone and everyone watching it said clear penalty!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 11, 2019, 03:10:59 PM
Is it me or did we look unfit ? ???

They always look to me like they are trying to run through cement. Even the so called pacey players like Murphy and Phillips, they just don’t seem to be able to move.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Blowee on May 11, 2019, 03:11:25 PM
We're not out of this yet. Yes we've not got Gayle but that just means somebody else will have to step up. Liverpool came back without Salah and Firmino, as did Spurs without Kane - footballs a funny old game.

We just need to believe and get behind the boys even more on Tuesday now. COYB
Agreed - whatever we need to make the most of the opportunity on Tuesday. Down but not yet out. I was thinking of that old Greeves quote too! The playoff gods were unkind to us today. What we lack in quality we made up for in determination in the first half and everything just went Villa’s way in the second. On to Tuesday COYB! If we go out then that’s the time to pick over the bones of the season.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ttree30 on May 11, 2019, 03:16:30 PM
There is surely little to lose. Now massive underdogs with everyone - heartbreak late defeat, no Gayle and pundits have mostly written Albion off, if they hadn’t done so beforehand.

Should go into the game on Tuesday with a “nothing to lose” attitude. I admit I expect Villa to go through, but the team should play without fear in a supportive atmosphere and see if they can shift the momentum. Two sets of 11 fairly evenly matched players, one goal in it, and by kick off time on Tuesday night it will feel a bit different than it does right now.

Villa are red hot favourites. But favourites don’t always handle expectation, and they don’t always win.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on May 11, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
This match perfectly sums up our season. At times we looked dangerous but we have no fitness, no desire and no midfield. We had to rely on a mistake to score.

Yes, the referee was abysmal, possibly the worst in the league. But we certainly didn't help ourselves. If you go diving in you can give away pens. And look how much space Hourihane had for his shot.

We had no desire to stop their players from advancing. Johansen stood and let JG go past him in the 10th minute. Tired then? Surely not.

It's not Gayles fault alone, there are many contributing factors, but I honestly can't see us turning this around. This season has just been a massive waste of time.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:17:39 PM
Agreed - whatever we need to make the most of the opportunity on Tuesday. Down but not yet out. I was thinking of that old Greeves quote too! The playoff gods were unkind to us today. What we lack in quality we made up for in determination in the first half and everything just went Villa’s way in the second. On to Tuesday COYB! If we go out then that’s the time to pick over the bones of the season.
gods didn't cost ref did atrocious decision for second Gayle yellow and not giving us a stonewall penalty. Who was the tosser and where is he from?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on May 11, 2019, 03:19:03 PM
We didn't deserve to lose that game but as always happens down the years when there is a massive game between these clubs they always turn us over and usually they don't deserve it.

Today we set up to defend a nick a goal we did just that, superb first half. Villa come back and go 2-1 up, fair enough but we came back at them and were denied a stonewall penalty when Abraham barged through Holgate. 90% certain it's 2-2 then.

Then, the appalling ref who couldn't wait to penalise us all game sends off Gayle. Yes he's missed the ball and yes it's a foul but a booking? No way, he's got to go for it.

They will win the second leg comfortably IMO.
Title: Re: Match Officials
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:19:34 PM
Report this c___t
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: darbolina on May 11, 2019, 03:19:38 PM
Agreed - whatever we need to make the most of the opportunity on Tuesday. Down but not yet out. I was thinking of that old Greeves quote too! The playoff gods were unkind to us today. What we lack in quality we made up for in determination in the first half and everything just went Villa’s way in the second. On to Tuesday COYB! If we go out then that’s the time to pick over the bones of the season.

I think we just got knackered chasing the ball and didn't have the quality to create anything personally.  Tuesday we need a clean sheet then one or two set pieces to see us through maybe with penalties. They're a far better team than us - simple.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on May 11, 2019, 03:21:56 PM
This match perfectly sums up our season. At times we looked dangerous but we have no fitness, no desire and no midfield. We had to rely on a mistake to score.

Yes, the referee was abysmal, possibly the worst in the league. But we certainly didn't help ourselves. If you go diving in you can give away pens. And look how much space Hourihane had for his shot.

We had no desire to stop their players from advancing. Johansen stood and let JG go past him in the 10th minute. Tired then? Surely not.

It's not Gayles fault alone, there are many contributing factors, but I honestly can't see us turning this around. This season has just been a massive waste of time.

Sorry, but Johansen marked Grealish (a very good player, probably the best midfielder in the league) out of the game for 70 minutes, before tiring due to noone in there helping him. Grealish might've gone past him a couple of times, but obviously that happens occasionally during a match
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on May 11, 2019, 03:23:51 PM
Sorry, but Johansen marked Grealish (a very good player, probably the best midfielder in the league) out of the game for 70 minutes, before tiring due to noone in there helping him. Grealish might've gone past him a couple of times, but obviously that happens occasionally during a match

My issue isn't JG getting past him, it was the timing (very early) and the lack of effort to close him down. It is literally what we've lacked all season.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on May 11, 2019, 03:25:36 PM
My issue isn't JG getting past him, it was the timing (very early) and the lack of effort to close him down. It is literally what we've lacked all season.

I would strongly disagree with you accusing Johansen of lack of effort today, him and Gayle in particular gave it everything.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:25:46 PM
I think we just got knackered chasing the ball and didn't have the quality to create anything personally.  Tuesday we need a clean sheet then one or two set pieces to see us through maybe with penalties. They're a far better team than us - simple.
thought we opened them up on a few occasions and only final ball let us down. Don't think we will go through with the loss of Gayle as Shan hasn't the tactical nouse to open up teams, subs bench showed us that.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiemart on May 11, 2019, 03:29:02 PM
Does anyone else remember the 1993 play offs.

we finished 4th in the league. Played the 5th team , swansea. We lost the 1st game away 1 - 2. Then won the 2nd at home 2 - 0 . 

That night the Hawthorns was a cauldron.  I have never been to a match at the Hawthorns since that has showed so much atmosphere.  We did it then and we can do it again. It will be up to us to create that extra through making the atmosphere uncomfortable for the vile.

It is only 1 goal . so lets all get behind the team on Tuesday !!!

COYB.  SOTV.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Albion79 on May 11, 2019, 03:29:15 PM
A professional job at best first half but 2nd half we just invited pressure for the majority of it.

Mears coming on appeared a forced change (cannot understand why we didnt have Tosin on the bench when all our other fit centre halves were playing and why Montero came from nowhere when Edwards who has shown glimpses didnt make the squad at all)

There seemed to be an outlet and game plan first half even if we did play a bit too deep but 2nd half we just kept giving them the ball back and our midfield which isnt exactly a bundle of energy anyway just ran out of legs. Johansen was the pick, Phillips looked rusty and if you play Brunt you have to try and keep the ball, although not a centre midfielder, Brunty does have a football brain so you have to get him on the ball and have legs around him, 2nd half we did none of that and your asking a 34 year old to spend the game chasing and closing down which eventually will catch up with you.

The worry is we dont really have a great deal of other options for Tuesday, maybe Field could come in but i expect to see us lineup with a team that looked dead on its feet, especially in midfield.

I thought Villa were very average at best, but they were better than us which says a lot about us, the way the media (and many Villa fans) have been talking you would think we were coming up against a Liverpool or Man City, we werent, they are a very average side who are in decent form and having a lot of the rub of the green at the right stage of the season but they are more than beatable.

I would hope we will actually take the game to them on Tuesday, actually have some of the ball and try and do something because if we do i fancy us to beat them, yes it will leave us open a bit but i dont think we can approach the game the same as we did today, we gave Villa too much respect, especially 2nd half.

As much as i think Dean Smith is a decent coach, he is whiney t**t as well, every interview he does he puts in some little dig about other teams, he still refers back to Jrods hand ball every opportunity, but he played it clever today. As soon as Gayle had been booked, there was a nothing incident by the benches involving Gayle which he had a cry over and got the refs attention, from then on it felt like the ref was waiting to send Gayle off, if he cant go in for a challenge like he did with the keeper then football is pretty pointless.

I think the ref was poor today, not just that he got the sending off wrong and we should of had a penalty, those things happen, we have benefitted from those this season, what i didnt like was i felt he was very inconsistent, it felt like if a Villa player stopped and appealed, they got the decision, i think we had 5 booked today and there was 1 bad challenge all game? I think the size of the crowd and the occasion got to the ref and he was poor, i wouldnt say the atmosphere got to him because i think Villa park was fairly quiet until they scored, certainly wasnt intimidating or loyal backing from the home fans.

Its over to us on Tuesday, i would hope we do make it a hostile atmosphere for both the ref and Villa as big occasions clearly do influence refs, listening to many Villa fans they really do think they are at wembley and they do really think they are something special, they arent, if we show some initiative and get at them i think we would beat them, but i expect a repeat of todays performance, the big difference is we dont have Gayle tuesday but instead of changing our game plan i think we will try and blag it and it will cost us.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: colinmax on May 11, 2019, 03:31:42 PM
Before the game I thought Grealish would draw fouls and Hourihane was likely to score given 2 or 3 freekicks instead Grealish draws several defenders and leave Hourihane unmarked at edge of area.
I thought we played well in first half but in the second we created our own problems by heading balls going out for a goalkick either back in play or for a corner.Why no Leave It shouts?

Perhaps we should give the real young strikers a chance on Tuesday.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: liverbaggie on May 11, 2019, 03:32:23 PM
I want to see Phillips up top with jrod,fingers crossed for daws to be OK.
I really think that we will win on Tuesday night.
No think like a night match at the Albion.
I also think that their defence is suspect and may be inclined to dive in when under pressure.they won't have a massive fan support either we must get the hawthorns rocking though.
Only one goal behind I would have settled for that as I suspect most baggies would've.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: telford baggie on May 11, 2019, 03:33:26 PM
the only god thing to come out of it is shan clearly out of his depth even with 2 "very highly rated coaches" sooner he is back to his normal role training kids the better
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on May 11, 2019, 03:34:53 PM
I would strongly disagree with you accusing Johansen of lack of effort today, him and Gayle in particular gave it everything.

You disagree that's fair enough, but I remember a video of Johansen being shown as we signed him and it was a collection of his tackles. I've not seen any of that for wba. He's been weak, along with the other 2 signings. It's just been a weak season. We needed character and I feel we lacked that.

We defended well, but we invited pressure all game. We finished the season well above them, yet they had 70% possession. It won't be any different on Tuesday.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 03:37:33 PM
Can't imagine who we will get to replace Shan, part of me suspects that he is already here in the form of Appleton but i hope i'm wrong.

It ain't over till it's over so let's hope we can do something out of the blue Tuesday.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 11, 2019, 03:38:16 PM
My issue isn't JG getting past him, it was the timing (very early) and the lack of effort to close him down. It is literally what we've lacked all season.

The problem is the current group of players don’t know how to time a tackle. We’ve had nobody to put a foot in since Yacob and Mulumbu.  Fair enough they got their fair share of bookings but they did break up the oppositions attack’s.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on May 11, 2019, 03:38:57 PM
You disagree that's fair enough, but I remember a video of Johansen being shown as we signed him and it was a collection of his tackles. I've not seen any of that for wba. He's been weak, along with the other 2 signings. It's just been a weak season. We needed character and I feel we lacked that.

We defended well, but we invited pressure all game. We finished the season well above them, yet they had 70% possession. It won't be any different on Tuesday.


Johansen had a good game, I really don't know what you were watching.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Standaman on May 11, 2019, 03:41:33 PM
Thought Phillips was poor in general and very obviously running out of steam. Looking at the bench not sure there was a like for like swap available anything else would have changed the shape which was working.

The foul on Holgate is given every time outside the box.

The Gayle dismissal was unfortunate but the first yellow was the one that was avoidable the previous throw-in saw the ref warn Gayle yet he dawdled over to take the next throw in, now I know we were trying to slow the game but a little bit of sense from an experienced player.

Would worry about the knocks picked up by Dawson and Johansen with very little time to recover
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: smethwickw on May 11, 2019, 03:42:51 PM
Only the 3 relegated sides have kept fewer clean sheets yet we spend 90 mins sat back inviting pressure. Only a matter of time before they scored. Our Midfield is the biggest problem we have. Nothing in there whatsoever.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 11, 2019, 03:43:46 PM
Johansen was asked to do a job on Grealish. His man assisted the equaliser and won the penalty. Not sure how anyone can say he did well. Those are the facts.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 03:45:30 PM
the only god thing to come out of it is shan clearly out of his depth even with 2 "very highly rated coaches" sooner he is back to his normal role training kids the better
think the club need total clear out from top to bottom, I can see now why we seem to lose a lot of our up and coming kids the coaches are just not good enough.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: NJS on May 11, 2019, 03:47:18 PM
" if we show some initiative and get at them i think we would beat them,"

Our coaches haven't got any initiative.  I've seen Murphy several times now and I don't see what he brings to a team, not able to beat a man, average crossing and poor tackling.   Why not replace Phillips with Edwards, he's shown he can beat a man and gets back to tackle.   When Johansen got tired why didn't we bring on Field? 
I said recently that we need a manager who is able to recognise when a player is tiring yet Shan keeps  Brunt on the entire game.  He'll not be fit for Tuesday's game but will be played.   
I believe Daws  has a long-standing concussion problem that's why he's been off the boil - can't understand why Adarabaiyo was not on the bench but I think he should be a CB next game.

All in all, Shan's selections baffle me - lets have a proper manager next season.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tuamigos on May 11, 2019, 03:47:41 PM
Nothing like a bit of gloom and doom is there ffs?
In effect its half time with everything to play for in the second half.
It took them 70 minutes to register a shot on target then the pikey throws himself over Gibbos leg.
We can turn this around, with or without Dwight.
Our support on Tuesday can make a hell of a difference, looking forward to seeing 2000 scumbags snivelling back to Witton
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: rogerstubbs on May 11, 2019, 03:51:37 PM
Looked to me as if Dawson was taken ill rather injured ,anyone heard anything?
.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aztech on May 11, 2019, 03:51:55 PM
Johansen was asked to do a job on Grealish. His man assisted the equaliser and won the penalty. Not sure how anyone can say he did well. Those are the facts.

And yet Brunt wasn’t marking anyone when the ball was laid back to Hourihan
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: slate on May 11, 2019, 03:52:46 PM
Looked to me as if Dawson was taken ill rather injured ,anyone heard anything?
.

He was dizzy and puked up at halftime, hence the change. The medics gave him a pill but it didn't work.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gerry m on May 11, 2019, 03:54:42 PM
I would strongly disagree with you accusing Johansen of lack of effort today, him and Gayle in particular gave it everything.

Agree 100% mate
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: skyclad99 on May 11, 2019, 03:56:46 PM
And yet Brunt wasn’t marking anyone when the ball was laid back to Hourihan

Hourihan had time to write a letter to Grealish asking for the ball...…..
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on May 11, 2019, 03:58:00 PM
Johansen was asked to do a job on Grealish. His man assisted the equaliser and won the penalty. Not sure how anyone can say he did well. Those are the facts.

Won a penalty being fouled by Gibbs and got one of the easiest assists of the season because Hourihane has been left completely alone with time to do ten kick ups before slotting it
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 11, 2019, 04:02:12 PM
I would have taken 1-2 before the game but losing Gayle is a terrible blow. That said, we're still in it. Fans will have a big part to play in the second leg. Let's smash the bastards.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on May 11, 2019, 04:02:59 PM

Johansen had a good game, I really don't know what you were watching.

Don't start the "don't know what you were watching". You have a right to disagree, but don't bother with that.

We've had it all season, not just today. Players need to show more urgency to win the ball. I feel he lacked the desire to put a foot in.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 04:03:42 PM
" if we show some initiative and get at them i think we would beat them,"

Our coaches haven't got any initiative.  I've seen Murphy several times now and I don't see what he brings to a team, not able to beat a man, average crossing and poor tackling.   Why not replace Phillips with Edwards, he's shown he can beat a man and gets back to tackle.   When Johansen got tired why didn't we bring on Field? 
I said recently that we need a manager who is able to recognise when a player is tiring yet Shan keeps  Brunt on the entire game.  He'll not be fit for Tuesday's game but will be played.   
I believe Daws  has a long-standing concussion problem that's why he's been off the boil - can't understand why Adarabaiyo was not on the bench but I think he should be a CB next game.

All in all, Shan's selections baffle me - lets have a proper manager next season.
I thought Mears did ok when Phillips was on pitch but became isolated with Murphy's arrival. As for equaliser Murphy had chance to clear ball but failed, he's been nothing but shocking since his arrival and doesn't warrant selecting for first team or bench but PE teacher cannot see that.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Topman on May 11, 2019, 04:05:41 PM
Can anyone confirm we have had no player sent off against us all season? Surely we are due one
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 11, 2019, 04:09:55 PM
I thought the result was a reflection of the game, very poor second half from us. Villa's double sub changed the game and their shape, we had no answer from the bench. For me, the blame rests squarely with the management not reacting to the changes. To it looked like they doubled up on the wing backs and tore us apart.

Gayle was a yellow all day long, keeper had gathered the ball when he hit him. Very badly timed tackle.

Home crowd, with some very good young attacking options available. Get behind them for the full 90 minutes
 COYB!


Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2019, 04:12:19 PM
Losing Gayle was worse than the result. With him I would have still been confident. He is a class striker who takes his chances. It was a red card though. His and HRK's daft red have probably cost us, though HRK is not quite as crucial.
Up to Villa's goal I thought we played well and looked in control. 
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 04:18:28 PM
Losing Gayle was worse than the result. With him I would have still been confident. He is a class striker who takes his chances. It was a red card though. His and HRK's daft red have probably cost us, though HRK is not quite as crucial.
Up to Villa's goal I thought we played well and looked in control.
no way was that a yellow card Gayle pulled out of challenge but momentum put him into keeper, ref couldn't wait to pull out card.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on May 11, 2019, 04:18:42 PM
I thought the result was a reflection of the game, very poor second half from us. Villa's double sub changed the game and their shape, we had no answer from the bench. For me, the blame rests squarely with the management not reacting to the changes. To it looked like they doubled up on the wing backs and tore us apart.

Gayle was a yellow all day long, keeper had gathered the ball when he hit him. Very badly timed tackle.

Home crowd, with some very good young attacking options available. Get behind them for the full 90 minutes
 COYB!

I think brushed might be a better word to use there.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 04:24:46 PM
Won a penalty being fouled by Gibbs and got one of the easiest assists of the season because Hourihane has been left completely alone with time to do ten kick ups before slotting it
To be fair, assuming Johansson was doing his job in closing down Grealish then you've got to be looking at Brunt or Rodriguez to be closing that down.  Brunt was milling about inline with the penalty spot.  He did nothing but drop too deep and his "defending" consisted of waiting for his man to pass the ball then thinking that was his job done.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ashcroft19 on May 11, 2019, 04:29:35 PM
Definitely penalty for assault on Holgate and Gayle shouldn’t have been sent off. Not my words but thoughts of Lee Hendre on Sky
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on May 11, 2019, 04:30:28 PM
To be fair, assuming Johansson was doing his job in closing down Grealish then you've got to be looking at Brunt or Rodriguez to be closing that down.  Brunt was milling about inline with the penalty spot.  He did nothing but drop too deep and his "defending" consisted of waiting for his man to pass the ball then thinking that was his job done.

My point exactly, Murphy, Rodriguez or Brunt should be covering Hourihane. Murphy I'd suggest, seeing as Brunt would be watching McGinn.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 04:32:49 PM
To be fair, assuming Johansson was doing his job in closing down Grealish then you've got to be looking at Brunt or Rodriguez to be closing that down.  Brunt was milling about inline with the penalty spot.  He did nothing but drop too deep and his "defending" consisted of waiting for his man to pass the ball then thinking that was his job done.
Brunt is not and will not be a central midfielder and anyone who thinks he will be in his mid thirties is clueless. I actually don't no why we sacked Moore because nothing has changed.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: albion59 on May 11, 2019, 04:39:16 PM
Still in with a chance at 2-1 but let's be honest we are rubbish Brunt and Johanson awful and the referee was a cheat simple.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Nickwba1 on May 11, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
There is no way Murphy should play second leg, he brings nothing to the team and didn’t make any impact again today.

Shocking marking for Hourihanne goal, it was such an obvious pass but we had over committed to Grealish in the build up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Aztech on May 11, 2019, 04:43:23 PM
Still in with a chance at 2-1 but let's be honest we are rubbish Brunt and Johanson awful and the referee was a cheat simple.

I thought Johansson played well for the vast majority of the game
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 11, 2019, 04:54:24 PM
I thought Johansson played well for the vast majority of the game

Agreed. Johansen was our best midfielder - he looks a doubt for Tuesday.

Brunt switched off for equaliser and got drawn to the ball. He had to go across initially but didn't work had enough or recognise the danger quick enough to move across.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 11, 2019, 05:09:35 PM
Just back, short headlines
Philips had a mare and looked well out of it most of the time
Brunt wasn't much better and must have had the most passes backwards in a game of any other of our  players combined
The park the bus plan held for about 70 mins but once they went ahead there was no clear plan B
Murphy has no bottle
But the worst thing was that bloody ref! The worst homer I have seen in many a year
Is it a new rule that walking towards the ball to take a throw in is a yellow card?
The Holgate non penalty, words fail me or if I tried I'd be looking at my own red card
I'm pretty sure it doesn't say the player taking the throw must rush to the line as quickly as possible
My fellow Baggie supporters were superb but we did fade away over the last 10 mins
Their giant curtain is the naffest thing I've ever seen
We can still do it on Tuesday night so those of you going please back them to the hilt
COYB
SOTv
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 11, 2019, 05:19:17 PM
I can see why Gayle was yellow carded, he'd just been warned about his slow walk over to the throw in then did it again a few minutes later.

It's still annoying because there's certainly no rule to say you have to jog to take any set pieces.  The ref doesn't force players being subbed to run off the pitch.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: geoff on May 11, 2019, 05:25:45 PM
The difference today was the subs made by both managers.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 05:36:34 PM
True. Also to give Shan some credit he got the starting tactics right but leaving out Tosh and  Harper was dumb. He then  was forced to make poor subs.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 05:37:14 PM
The difference today was the subs made by both managers.
that and a atrocious ref
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adamstv on May 11, 2019, 05:39:19 PM
My wife made the comment that, after watching the midweek games in Europe, she said it looked like our players had been on the lash for the last few days - sluggish, no pace, couldn’t  pass 5 yards to each other and very easy to go by - her words not mine.

To be honest I couldn’t argue and even now watching The sheep v dirty Leeds at least they both get forward and can pass to each other.

We’ll all be there on Tuesday but unless we can dramatically improve or get a home ref I fear another season in the championship .

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on May 11, 2019, 05:43:16 PM
I maintain it was a good solid performance until we went behind. The formation was the right one and the players were up for it. We restricted Villa to a few fairly harmless shots.
Losing Dawson upset the balance and then Phillips coming off we lost some power in the midfield. My only real problem with the ref. was that Holgate got a clear shove in the penalty box, but I think the Gibbs tackle caught the man and Gayle could have done more to stop clouting the keeper. Losing Gayle is an enormous blow as I would have fancied ourselves with him on Tuesday. I don't know who is going to provide any cutting edge up front. Maybe we have to hope for a couple of set pieces.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 11, 2019, 05:52:27 PM
Dawson looked like he got a concussion. Gayle is just a fool, he could easily have pulled out of that challenge on the keeper. In all honesty I'm surprised he wasn't sent off sooner. he constantly made late hits on Villa players and has now become a diver every game he plays. How many times was he on his back today looking for sympathy?
How come Edwards wasn't on the bench but Montero was? That bench selection was one of the worst this season.
We need to pack the midfield because today they were overrun.As much as I want to beat the Vile I think our ship has sailed.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2019, 05:57:00 PM
Referee wasn't up to the job of that game, I don't care if he is a supposed top Prem referee, he was absolutely awful, for the pen his whistle was in his gob ready to blow it in anticipation.

The Gayle sending off is an absolute joke, the first booking for timewasting laughable, he was going to take the throw, he wasn't messing around in any way, he was going to the ball. When Neil Taylor took his time over throws the ref stood there laughing. The second he was entitled to go for the ball, any contact was minimal and nowhere near malicious, he pulled out if anything, maybe if he'd got a straight red it would have been better as we could appeal it.

We are fit enough as a squad, Phillips I know he's been injured but was struggling before he went off, Brunt the same.

Hegazi and Johansen the pick of the side today for me, Hegazi won almost everything and Johansen looking to go forward all the while whilst the rest seemed to treat the ball like a hot coal and want to get rid asap. We seriously lack quality in the middle at times, we need a leader in there who can calm it down and pass a ball, a 25 year old Gareth Barry must be on the top of out Summer transfer list. Other clubs seem to find these players so why can't we ?

The fact we were not given a pen for the blatent shove on Holgate sums the performance of Graham Scott up today, whistle happy when they went down and hands behind his back when we did, shocking performance.

This club has a massive Summer, we need a manager not a coach who is pally with the players, we need someone to come in and kick a few backsides and not be all chummy chummy with the senior players, we need 2 strikers at least, quality midfielders with pace and hunger.

Jenkins get yeah arse into gear ffs and earn your bonuses
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiejohn on May 11, 2019, 05:57:52 PM
Factors you cannot blame Shan for:

1. Kanu red stopped Shan bringing Gayle off today when he should come off with 15 to go. Kanu would have been the natural choice.
2. No difference between hand in face on Gayle to the one by Gibbs that led to the goal. Why is one a free kick and the other not?
3. Penalty for push on Holgate was not given? Why?
4. Dawson had a head injury which limited our options.
5. Brunt lost his shape and got drawn to Grealish and left space at he top for the first goal.
6. Stupid lunge by Gibbs for pen.
7. Gayle is on a yellow, why is he diving in? However, I think a yellow is harsh. Even Hendrie says so

Gayle red is the killer ultimately. Would have fancied us at 2-1.


Agree about the ref. I think the officials have been poor all season, no consistency at all.

I do think it's going to be hard to win two games though without Gayle.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Pelada on May 11, 2019, 05:59:52 PM
No fluidity in this team since Barnes left. People say we had a solid game plan for 70 mins but we collapsed once we conceded. I don’t see any clear direction in terms of play patterns, no obvious creativity, and certainly no depth.

I don’t see any other way to go than to have young fresh legs on Tuesday. The experience won’t be enough to see off Villa and I think a young attacking team would whip the crowd up.

But let’s be honest, even if we make it a magic night on Tuesday this football club couldn’t be any less prepared for the Premier League if it tried.

An awful lot of clearing the decks required before we find an identity again, and that might mean a trip to League One if we continue to make bad decisions.

That said, il be cheering us on to KO the Villa on Tuesday.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2019, 06:00:44 PM

Agree about the ref. I think the officials have been poor all season, no consistency at all.

I do think it's going to be hard to win two games though without Gayle.

He only has a one game ban, if we get past this lot he will be available for the final
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBArgo on May 11, 2019, 06:15:52 PM
I thought we were quite unlucky really, particularly with the ref who screwed us big time.

Grealish dived, Holgate was fouled so that's a 2 penalty swing. Then Gayle got sent off which was soft considering.

Anyway, our weak bench also cost us - you can blame that on Harper for going AWOL and HRK who stupidly got sent off. An injury to Dawson just added to things...the fact Mears, Morrison and Montero where on the bench spoke volumes about our lack of depth.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kirk on May 11, 2019, 06:16:41 PM
Looking at the team and the bench it was obviously he was going with experience all day long hence mears coming on
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 11, 2019, 06:22:06 PM
On Dean Smith winning the game through his substitutions. I think it more a case he got his starting team wrong. Think bench showed fallacy about our strong squad. Surprised too see both Montero and Murphy benching denying Adarabioyo to cover central defence .

Hegazi and Bartley did well and Gayle should have set up Murphy for a 1 on 1 with keeper at 1-0.

Our crowd cant be any quieter than there and may need mix it up a bit. COYB
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 11, 2019, 06:29:56 PM
I thought we were quite unlucky really, particularly with the ref who screwed us big time.

Grealish dived, Holgate was fouled so that's a 2 penalty swing. Then Gayle got sent off which was soft considering.

Anyway, our weak bench also cost us - you can blame that on Harper for going AWOL and HRK who stupidly got sent off. An injury to Dawson just added to things...the fact Mears, Morrison and Montero where on the bench spoke volumes about our lack of depth.

What do you mean about Harper being AWOL?

Have you seen something?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 11, 2019, 06:30:14 PM
Sorry, but Johansen marked Grealish (a very good player, probably the best midfielder in the league) out of the game for 70 minutes, before tiring due to noone in there helping him. Grealish might've gone past him a couple of times, but obviously that happens occasionally during a match
Spot on mate. I imagine those who are criticising Johansen were watching on TV and not live. He was one of our best players although he did tire late on as did Rodriguez who also was good. I did not think anyone had a "bad" game except for the completely anonymous Brunt. Lets face it we are not very good and when we end up with Brunt and Morrison on the pitch together we look dreadful.
I have a horrible feeling that he will give a start to Mozza on Tuesday out of some misguided sentiment.I would appreciate it if someone can explain to me what Appleton and Reid have brought to the party please. What a bloody shambles
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 11, 2019, 06:32:51 PM
Johansen was asked to do a job on Grealish. His man assisted the equaliser and won the penalty. Not sure how anyone can say he did well. Those are the facts.
A hundred times better than your mate Jacko, unbelievable
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 06:36:17 PM
I would appreciate it if someone can explain to me what Appleton and Reid have brought to the party please. What a bloody shambles

Nothing mate, token gesture at minimal cost from the board so that if it all goes tits up Jenkins can say he brought in support for Shan and Shan failed.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 11, 2019, 06:40:46 PM
As you say..
Jenkins is just a finger pointer.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: gazberg on May 11, 2019, 06:44:39 PM
Yup, " i tried, it wasn't my fault, fire him instead"
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BalisPen on May 11, 2019, 06:48:50 PM
We need to invoke the same spirit and atmosphere that saw us through against the swans, when we were losing by the same scoreline.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on May 11, 2019, 06:56:43 PM
would have settled for that scoreline before the game, now we know we need to win, so that makes it simpler in a way, come on you Baggies, I would love us to do this
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on May 11, 2019, 06:59:35 PM
We are not out of this yet. What so much negativity? I would have taken that before the game. The big blow is no Gayle of course. Push Phillips up top for second leg
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 11, 2019, 07:36:39 PM
 Watched the Gayle sending off a few times it's really harsh he seems to pull out Steer has made a right meal of it.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 11, 2019, 07:50:32 PM
Both Gayles cards were soft. So that's disappointing.
Think we should have had a penalty for the push on Holgate.

Our bench was questionable today. No Tosin was criminal. Mears coming on didn't help us we lost our balance. Murphy is a bottler and has no desire shouldn't be near the team. I would rather us had Edwards on the bench or even given montero a go.

Only 1 goal in it and villa didn't look that good. Stupid tackle for the pen so besides a few pop shots one of which they scored from they seldom caused us trouble.

We're going in as underdogs missing our best player so we have nothing to lose and everything to gain. SOTV & COYB
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 11, 2019, 07:56:09 PM
Our midfield was woeful today in my opinion and given the amount of ball they had, and then the pressure they put us under in the final 15 minutes I think a 1 goal deficit is quite good.

What is very concerning was our complete inability to compete and get on the ball.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: dangerman on May 11, 2019, 08:11:23 PM
What do you mean about Harper being AWOL?

Have you seen something?

He got off the team bus with the rest of the team today by all accounts so wasn't AWOL.

There was a tweet on twitter suggesting that a few of the youngsters were out on the pop last night but I'm not sure I believe it to be honest.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 11, 2019, 08:53:53 PM
Did anyone see a replay of how Dawson got injured? I never saw one.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on May 11, 2019, 09:27:16 PM
Your tactics cost you today. Time wasting from the first half, not even trying to get a second goal and receiving a booking for time wasting after 60 minutes of the first leg is embarrassing. Laughable that you all call Grealish a cheat when you've got Gayle playing for you, karma was served there.

We actually tried to play football so the outcome was right. Beautiful justice that you're putting blame on the ref after the Rodriguez handball aswell. Up the Vile
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on May 11, 2019, 09:41:33 PM
https://twitter.com/TheBaggiesBible/status/1127243667943641090
retrospective ban for deceiving a match official? no didn't think so he's the EFL golden boy
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2019, 09:50:20 PM
Your tactics cost you today. Time wasting from the first half, not even trying to get a second goal and receiving a booking for time wasting after 60 minutes of the first leg is embarrassing. Laughable that you all call Grealish a cheat when you've got Gayle playing for you, karma was served there.

We actually tried to play football so the outcome was right. Beautiful justice that you're putting blame on the ref after the Rodriguez handball aswell. Up the Vile

Jog on, Grealish is a cheat, he's a whiny, slimy, diving, whinging little toerag and yet he has the ability to not have to do any of it.

The ref was an absolute ballbag, missed a blatent pen for a two man shove on Holgate, booked Gayle for something that Taylor was doing and then booked Gayle again when you lot started  crying after he went near the keeper, he pulled out, even Billy big time Hendrie says ref got the 2 big decisions wrong.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiejohn on May 11, 2019, 09:54:17 PM
Your tactics cost you today. Time wasting from the first half, not even trying to get a second goal and receiving a booking for time wasting after 60 minutes of the first leg is embarrassing. Laughable that you all call Grealish a cheat when you've got Gayle playing for you, karma was served there.

We actually tried to play football so the outcome was right. Beautiful justice that you're putting blame on the ref after the Rodriguez handball aswell. Up the Vile

To be honest mate, I've not got a lot of problems with referees & officials, but I do have a problem with inconsistency.

How come your player puts his hand in Gayles face & it's not a foul, but Gibbs does the same to your player & it is?

I have'nt got a problem with any of your goals, but I do have a problem with the ref homing in on Dwight Gale, the time wasting perhaps warranted a card, but the attempt to get the ball certainly didn't.



The ref was dreadful.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2019, 09:59:23 PM
To be honest mate, I've not got a lot of problems with referees & officials, but I do have a problem with inconsistency.

How come your player puts his hand in Gayles face & it's not a foul, but Gibbs does the same to your player & it is?

I have'nt got a problem with any of your goals, but I do have a problem with the ref homing in on Dwight Gale, the time wasting perhaps warranted a card, but the attempt to get the ball certainly didn't.



The ref was dreadful.

There was no time wasting from Gayle, he was going to the touchline to take the throw, there is not rules to say he has to jog or run to it, he was going in the right direction and wasn't stopping for anything. Taylor took longer, ref stood there laughing, joke.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on May 11, 2019, 09:59:45 PM
Your tactics cost you today. Time wasting from the first half, not even trying to get a second goal and receiving a booking for time wasting after 60 minutes of the first leg is embarrassing. Laughable that you all call Grealish a cheat when you've got Gayle playing for you, karma was served there.

We actually tried to play football so the outcome was right. Beautiful justice that you're putting blame on the ref after the Rodriguez handball aswell. Up the Vile

I agree about the time wasting, we've been doing it all season. Johnstone has been booked loads for it. Winds me up.

But the difference between Rodriguez and Grealish is that with the handball incident, he didn't thrust his hand out to try and score, it hit it and went in. But Grealish uses the fact that he's kicked a lot to buy free kicks and penalties. He doesn't need to, he's a superb player IMO. Today, JG was looking for that penalty and searched for the contact. That's why the FA are looking into it.

For me, the ref got just about every decision wrong today.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 11, 2019, 10:06:59 PM
Gayle to get two match ban, cheating vile scum could get retrospect ban for deceiving git of ref for their pen apparently no contact???
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: garry on May 11, 2019, 10:14:47 PM
He dragged his trailing foot to get contact.
Reckless challenge though.
Was a penalty. :(
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 11, 2019, 10:18:47 PM
26 seconds from the throw in being awarded to Gayle taking it so I hope we're going to start timing them all now then.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on May 11, 2019, 11:04:15 PM
Gayle to get two match ban, cheating vile scum could get retrospect ban for deceiving git of ref for their pen apparently no contact???
Surely Shan and Gayle must have known about the potential 2 match ban, so why the f**cking f**k didn't he come off after the yellow?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on May 11, 2019, 11:07:48 PM
Not enough intent to play football. It's OK trying to stifle them a bit which worked to a point but we got stuck in such a negative rut that when opportunities to break arose we weren't positive enough.
Same old story, midfield not strong enough to control a game and since Barnes has gone we are not potent enough on the counter either.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on May 11, 2019, 11:09:47 PM
Surely Shan and Gayle must have known about the potential 2 match ban, so why the f**cking f**k didn't he come off after the yellow?
We were a goal down and Shan probably would have been crucified if he'd taken Gayle off.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on May 11, 2019, 11:31:39 PM
He only has a one game ban, if we get past this lot he will be available for the final

Two matches, not one.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 12, 2019, 04:56:49 AM
Any video's of the 'penalty' going around?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on May 12, 2019, 06:03:08 AM
I agree about the time wasting, we've been doing it all season. Johnstone has been booked loads for it. Winds me up.

But the difference between Rodriguez and Grealish is that with the handball incident, he didn't thrust his hand out to try and score, it hit it and went in. But Grealish uses the fact that he's kicked a lot to buy free kicks and penalties. He doesn't need to, he's a superb player IMO. Today, JG was looking for that penalty and searched for the contact. That's why the FA are looking into it.

For me, the ref got just about every decision wrong today.
Are the fa actually looking into it then, I havent seen anything? Wont hold my breath on any action mind
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: jim68 on May 12, 2019, 06:48:07 AM
Our midfield was woeful today in my opinion and given the amount of ball they had, and then the pressure they put us under in the final 15 minutes I think a 1 goal deficit is quite good.

What is very concerning was our complete inability to compete and get on the ball.
the main concerns for me were [not just this game] whether we go 1nil up or we equalise we then retreat and sit far to deep and invite the opposition on [as the villa fan posted we dont go looking to score another ]apart from the odd counter attack  and constantly give the ball away and theres only one outcome from that .very dissapointjng  ::)
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: richjonawba on May 12, 2019, 07:21:03 AM
Two matches, not one.

It's a one match ban according to the FA Disciplinary Regulations

"Receiving a second caution in the same match - 1 Match"
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 12, 2019, 08:23:57 AM
It's a one match ban according to the FA Disciplinary Regulations

"Receiving a second caution in the same match - 1 Match"

Apparently he gets an extra match ban due to his red earlier in the season...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggiemart on May 12, 2019, 08:36:26 AM
just looked at that Grealish penalty again and even in slow motion I can't see any contact at all.  Grealish is just a cheat and the FA should look at this and ban Grealish.  They did it for Gayle earlier in the season.  If they take no action then we know that the FA and the refs have got it in for us.

So hopefully he could be out of the Tuesday match and better still, if they beat us, he will be out of the final.

One consolation if we lose on Tuesday is seeing the Villa fans crying at Wembley because they have lost !!!!
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 12, 2019, 08:46:40 AM
Any video's of the 'penalty' going around?
https://twitter.com/TheBaggiesBible/status/1127243667943641090
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 12, 2019, 08:56:26 AM
https://twitter.com/TheBaggiesBible/status/1127243667943641090
Cheers mate certainly looks like a dive to me
It's the way he wriggles about like a fish out of water every time he goes down
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 12, 2019, 08:58:40 AM
Not sure how we managed to throw away a game where we was looking comfortable

Villas 1st goal- why with 20 mins to go are we defending our 6 yard box? Brunt has got to be dragging the team further up the pitch. It allowed Hourihane all the time in the world to pull the ball out of his feet and bend it into the corner.

The second I haven’t seen - it looked clear as day in the stadium but I’ve heard the contact is minimal. Would be disappointing as Johansen had a good game marking grealish until he tired.

The red card is absolutely pathetic - Gayle is entitled to go for a genuine 50/50z how he can view that as a second yellow is baffling

In any event, a manager with a bit of nous about him would have taken Gayle off - it was clear there was some most in the air after his challenge following his first yellow card. Gayle should have been watching the last 20 mins in the local pub ffs !!

Big task on Tuesday and it will play right into their hands
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 12, 2019, 09:01:42 AM
Oh, and it’s a stonewall penalty on Holgate - I’m really not sure how the referee doesn’t give it
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on May 12, 2019, 09:10:24 AM
Apparently he gets an extra match ban due to his red earlier in the season...
Doesnt everything get wiped out in the playoffs, talksport seem to think 1 game ban
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: KN22 on May 12, 2019, 09:11:44 AM
If there is any justice at all then Grealish will be banned. Gibbs takes the ball then he dives. Let’s wait and see.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: HamsteadHarry on May 12, 2019, 09:26:23 AM
 Hourahaine was standing in acres of space waving his arms in the air and screaming for the ball for ages before it was rolled back to him - awful defending. Second half Villa ran at the defence in the box a lot more - it's always a risk when you have to defend there.
Anyway it's  far from over yet.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 12, 2019, 10:07:47 AM
Doesnt everything get wiped out in the playoffs, talksport seem to think 1 game ban

Been confirmed now.

It's an absolute joke, I'm literally fuming over it.  His 'dive' wasn't even that bad, there were legs in the way and he went over.  Players do it all the time.  Grealish's was worse in that respect in that Gibbs feet were grounded.  To get banned for 2(?) games then, and then another 2 games it's ridiculous.

And when you get that Villa player getting away with throttling a Leeds player?  And what about the Leeds player who went down holding his face, didn't that deceive the referee and affect the result? It resulted ina red card.

Can the FA honestly tell me that nobody else has dived in the top divisions this season? 
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 12, 2019, 10:25:25 AM
Surely Shan and Gayle must have known about the potential 2 match ban, so why the f**cking f**k didn't he come off after the yellow?
they didn't realise that they had to put a cheating ref into that equation, seriously hope Albion put a official complaint into FA this bloke should never officiate again clearly biased.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: boinging_along on May 12, 2019, 10:31:25 AM
At the time I was hoping that Shan was going to sub Gayle tbh.  He was getting involved in little spats, had a yellow card already and we were being over run in midfield as well as he'd ran his socks off all game so keeping him fresh for Tuesday should have been on the agenda.  Would have made perfect sense to sub Gayle and push J-Rod further forward and an extra body in the middle.  In hindsight it's even more stupid not to do that.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on May 12, 2019, 11:00:56 AM
Are the fa actually looking into it then, I havent seen anything? Wont hold my breath on any action mind

Can't find the link now, but apparently the FA are going to look at the ref's match report on the penalty. Won't do much as it will probably say "Gibbs dived in, so I awarded a penalty", but still...
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on May 12, 2019, 11:13:51 AM
Can't find the link now, but apparently the FA are going to look at the ref's match report on the penalty. Won't do much as it will probably say "Gibbs dived in, so I awarded a penalty", but still...
they have to be concerned by the official yesterday and his decision making.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 12, 2019, 11:19:03 AM
Apparently he gets an extra match ban due to his red earlier in the season...

He didn't get a red earlier in the season, he got a retrospective ban
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggieboyfred on May 12, 2019, 11:42:12 AM
like everyone else agree shocking ref 2 major decisions got wrong , not worried about 1 goal defecit now definitely worried about  gayle not being available, shan should have been a bit more thoughtful on his subs but it is what it is , we need to get some young legs on the pitch from the off and get some on the bench  and give it a go  with the crowd playing their part as well , if we lose at least lets go down fighting
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2019, 11:56:23 AM
He didn't get a red earlier in the season, he got a retrospective ban


He's got a 2 match ban, why are you disputing it?  ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 12, 2019, 12:13:31 PM

He's got a 2 match ban, why are you disputing it?  ;D

Its all in the fine points though, he didn't get sent off, he got a retrospective ban, if he had been booked in the game it would have been a yellow not a red. Its not or shouldn't be a simple decision.

If it was Livermore then we would have no complaints as its black and white, 2 sendings off, with Gayle its a grey area.
Title: Graham Scott
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2019, 01:11:59 PM
Just reading-up on the referee yesterday. Did the management do any research pre-game into him? They should have. His wickipedia entry states "he has established a reputation for consistent game management, as well as actively discouraging time-wasting". We went to Villa with a deliberate tactic to slow down the pace of the game as much as possible to try to keep the crowd quiet. He already warned Gayle for taking too long to move over to take a long throw. Gayle himself was running around involved in a lot of battles all over the pitch, just what you don't want a player on a yellow card to be up to. We should have been smarter, that first yellow card was avoidable. From them on our best player who we are hugely dependent on was on a tightrope. Any mistake and his SEASON was over, not just the second leg. The Villa players and bench were alive and trying to get him sent off. We had a warning when one of theirs was play acting near the bench to get him sent off and the referee played on. Still we did nothing. No reaction.

Bearing in mind our game anyway was to run the clock down rather than attack. We could have substituted him and saved him for Tuesday. In the grand scheme of things it would not have made much difference.

Instead we bring on Murphy (usual non-league standard of performance, complete disaster) and then Morrison. Morrison with a chance to put a cross in, makes a complete mess of it and puts it way too close to the keeper. Gayle follows through and the rest is history.

Back to Scott - "Scott played football at youth as a goalkeeper for Abingdon Town F.C. in the lower leagues. A long-term back injury was a persistent problem; fearing permanent damage, he retired from competitive football at the age of 27".

So the referee was a goalkeeper who retired with a back problem. There is Gayle clattering into the Villa keeper who in turn performs a circus act to pretend to be more injured than he was, being alive to the need to get Gayle sent off.  Just like Grealish taking advantage of dopey Gibbs going to ground for the penalty. Our management and players are as thick as anything - the naivety is incredible. Contrast with Villa, making the most of every opportunity to twist decisions in their favour.

The decisions going against us wasn't just bad luck, it was a lack of preparation, bad decision making and failure to react to what was going on during the match. Had we been a bit more street smart it would have been avoided.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: Atomic on May 12, 2019, 01:18:31 PM
It doesn't matter what the referee's background is he should be doing the job properly not being influenced by his own past.

He was wrong in most of what he did yesterday plain and simple.

If he's such a consistent ref as stated above how come Villa got a free kick for Gibbs hand in the face and we didn't for Hourahan's on Gayle? How come Villa got a penalty and we didn't when ours was at the very least equally deserving? How come Gayle got booked for time wasting when towards the end Taylor did the same thing and the ref stood there with his hands behind his back?

Load of rubbish. He's there to do a job properly.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: baggie82 on May 12, 2019, 01:31:43 PM
Atomic, I agree we should have had a free kick when Gayle got a hand in the face and a penalty when Holgate was barged into. The ref made mistakes and they went against us. The wider point is that the management, particularly at half time should have seen the warning signs and had a word with Gayle. I'm also annoyed at how we let that first yellow card come about. It's a habit. At Derby on the final day with nothing to play for Johnson got booked for time wasting. The players just don't seem alive to the situations on the pitch. They just play through their pre-programmed routine regardless. For a striker to get booked for time wasting in the first half of a game takes some effort of stupidity, even with an overzealous ref.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: 17GD on May 12, 2019, 02:07:11 PM
I'm with you Baggie82. We're meant to have professionals running and playing for the team, yet they constantly don't seem up to what I consider to be fundamental, school boy stuff.

As you say, if they'd done their research they'd have known what type of ref he is and the type of rules he's strong on. We are brainless at times and it's immensely frustrating.

For me, it comes back to the gaffers not being able to complete at the highest level. We're a small time mentality club who only ever thinks about 3 games ahead.

With regards the ref, he definitely bottled our decisions and was probably overawed by the occasion.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 12, 2019, 02:40:55 PM
As well as being a very poor referee, he was also a piss-taker. Whilst facing us and with Neil Taylor actually taking longer over a throw in than Gayle did he stood there actually laughing tw@t.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: Atomic on May 12, 2019, 02:48:10 PM
As well as being a very referee, he was also a piss-taker. Whilst facing us and with Neil Taylor actually taking longer over a throw in than Gayle did he stood there actually laughing tw@t.


Yep. Apparently it's now our duty to vet referee's.

Here's me thinking they are paid / instructed to apply the laws of the game fairly.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: cads_ap_albion on May 12, 2019, 05:32:25 PM
He didn't get a red earlier in the season, he got a retrospective ban

I meant he had a retrospective red. Technically you are correct
Thanks for being a pedant  ;D
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 12, 2019, 05:59:58 PM
I meant he had a retrospective red. Technically you are correct
Thanks for being a pedant  ;D

 :D I do try
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: seteefeet on May 12, 2019, 06:42:16 PM
Can't believe people are giving up, we are very much still in this tie.
Those old enough should remember Swansea, 2-1 down 1st leg, won the home leg 2-0 in one of the greatest Hawthorne nights in modern history.
Ok Gayle is out, time for someone else to become a hero.
Coyb.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 12, 2019, 06:46:58 PM
Been confirmed now.

It's an absolute joke, I'm literally fuming over it.  His 'dive' wasn't even that bad, there were legs in the way and he went over.  Players do it all the time.  Grealish's was worse in that respect in that Gibbs feet were grounded.  To get banned for 2(?) games then, and then another 2 games it's ridiculous.

And when you get that Villa player getting away with throttling a Leeds player?  And what about the Leeds player who went down holding his face, didn't that deceive the referee and affect the result? It resulted ina red card.

Can the FA honestly tell me that nobody else has dived in the top divisions this season?

it was Patrick Bamford and he got a 2 game ban for deceiving an official
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 12, 2019, 06:54:18 PM
just a small point about the time wasting yellow card. Mears was going to take a quick throw in but Holgate told him to stop and wait for Gayle to take it. It happened right in front of me, wish Mears had ignored Holgate.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: AlbionBest on May 12, 2019, 07:21:33 PM
If there is any justice at all then Grealish will be banned. Gibbs takes the ball then he dives. Let’s wait and see.

No chance of that, EFL seem to make up rules to suit their whim.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AlbionBest on May 12, 2019, 07:22:34 PM
This guy has tried to destroy our immediate future - remember his name with rage on Tuesday and push our lads on to get through.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: hunsletbaggie on May 12, 2019, 10:20:48 PM
One of the biggest homer refereeing displays I have seen for a very long time complete tw*t.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 12, 2019, 10:32:53 PM
Neutrals all over the place calling his performance. Didn't get one big decision right.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: ronnie_allen on May 13, 2019, 01:03:32 AM
And for the first 'delayed' throw for Gayle, Tyrone Mings carried the ball in field. Preventing Albion from.opportinity of a quick throw and letting Villa get into position. Not a word from referee but equally no complaints from Albion players.

Another decision was Holgate's yellow card. McGinn pulls him back first, then Holgate reciprocates and gets a yellow for it.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 08:34:46 AM
I thought he was decent first half, allowed the game to flow and remained in the background. Second half was far more eventful.......my take on the 3 big calls:

1). Villa penalty....for me its the correct decision, Grealish does get contact from the challenge albeit very minimal. Its a soft one but it is a pen.
2). Albion penalty appeal...its a penalty all day, he bottled the decision.
3). Gayle red card......although harsh both were bookings and we can have very little complaints. My only gripe is that Graham wasn't consistent with the timewasting in the 2nd half from Villa.

Although far from perfect i dont think he was as bad as some are making out.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2019, 08:50:31 AM
I thought he was decent first half, allowed the game to flow and remained in the background. Second half was far more eventful.......my take on the 3 big calls:

1). Villa penalty....for me its the correct decision, Grealish does get contact from the challenge albeit very minimal. Its a soft one but it is a pen.
2). Albion penalty appeal...its a penalty all day, he bottled the decision.
3). Gayle red card......although harsh both were bookings and we can have very little complaints. My only gripe is that Graham wasn't consistent with the timewasting in the 2nd half from Villa.

Although far from perfect i dont think he was as bad as some are making out.

why is it a booking? Gayle has a right to go for the ball and is in mid flow, he pulls out of the challenge and lowers his foot so that his studs are facing the ground it's just his momentum that takes him into the keeper. A foul definitely but never a booking. Villa keeper writhing around is what gets him booked.

I can see why he gave the Villa penalty but from the various highlights I've seen it looks like Grealish makes the contact happen by flicking his leg out. With VAR it might not have been given.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 09:04:46 AM
why is it a booking? Gayle has a right to go for the ball and is in mid flow, he pulls out of the challenge and lowers his foot so that his studs are facing the ground it's just his momentum that takes him into the keeper. A foul definitely but never a booking. Villa keeper writhing around is what gets him booked.

I can see why he gave the Villa penalty but from the various highlights I've seen it looks like Grealish makes the contact happen by flicking his leg out. With VAR it might not have been given.

Its a foul that warrants a caution.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 13, 2019, 09:44:58 AM
Games gone, non contact sport now. Never a booking, his momentum took him into the keeper, as Hull said he lowered his foot. Keeper rolls round, home fans are giving it all the abuse, ref gets conned and gives the easy option.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 13, 2019, 11:35:57 AM
Its a foul that warrants a caution.

it really isn't. It was barely a foul.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: skyclad99 on May 13, 2019, 11:42:52 AM
it really isn't. It was barely a foul.

Perfectly entitled to go for it, he would have got pelters on here had he not have gone for it. We cannot have it both ways.

I dont think it was a foul that warranted a card. As with Squealish, the keeper over exaggerated the situation.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 11:43:39 AM
Gayle had been warned previously a couple of times about time wasting which was then followed up by his first booking. The 2nd although harsh was the result of persistent fouling, he could have picked up a 2nd yellow just before when he fouled a villa player on the halfway line. I really dont think Scott was as bad as some are making out.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: Atomic on May 13, 2019, 11:48:39 AM
Gayle had been warned previously a couple of times about time wasting which was then followed up by his first booking. The 2nd although harsh was the result of persistent fouling, he could have picked up a 2nd yellow just before when he fouled a villa player on the halfway line. I really dont think Scott was as bad as some are making out.


Gayle was walking towards the ball at all times to take the throw ins. Nowhere in the rules does it say you have to run. He didn't stop, he didn't reach the ball then wait and give it to someone else to take the throw or anything like that.

Neither was a booking the first, nor the second.

The ref was abysmal.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 11:54:54 AM

Gayle was walking towards the ball at all times to take the throw ins. Nowhere in the rules does it say you have to run. He didn't stop, he didn't reach the ball then wait and give it to someone else to take the throw or anything like that.

Neither was a booking the first, nor the second.

The ref was abysmal.

The referee was well with in his right to give both bookings. 
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: boinging_along on May 13, 2019, 11:56:20 AM
Gayle had been warned previously a couple of times about time wasting which was then followed up by his first booking. The 2nd although harsh was the result of persistent fouling, he could have picked up a 2nd yellow just before when he fouled a villa player on the halfway line. I really dont think Scott was as bad as some are making out.

As mentioned Gayle didn't waste time, he just didn't run 40 yards to take a throw in.  Nowhere does it say you need to jog off the pitch.  What makes it worse is that the Villa player prevented us taking a quick throw.  Once we couldn't then we wanted Gayle to launch it.  Pretty much every game will have subs walk off the pitch, or players go down injured right over the other side so they can stroll off it slowly.  Are they getting penalised for time wasting?  No.

As for the persistant foul, that's usually when they have made 5 or so niggly fouls, even then you very rarely (if ever) see a ref produce a second yellow for a very minor foul if it results in a red.

There was nothing he could do about the foul, he HAS to go for that ball, it was 50-50.  He also HAS to commit to the cross early.  When he realised it was the keepers ball then he pulled out but momentum carried him into the player.  He can't work against physics.  If he had not gone for the ball and the keeper hadn't reached it we would be crucifying him.

The reaction of the players\crowd\bench and a ref easily persuaded are what got him sent off.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 11:58:59 AM
As mentioned Gayle didn't waste time, he just didn't run 40 yards to take a throw in.  Nowhere does it say you need to jog off the pitch.  What makes it worse is that the Villa player prevented us taking a quick throw.  Once we couldn't then we wanted Gayle to launch it.  Pretty much every game will have subs walk off the pitch, or players go down injured right over the other side so they can stroll off it slowly.  Are they getting penalised for time wasting?  No.

As for the persistant foul, that's usually when they have made 5 or so niggly fouls, even then you very rarely (if ever) see a ref produce a second yellow for a very minor foul if it results in a red.

There was nothing he could do about the foul, he HAS to go for that ball, it was 50-50.  He also HAS to commit to the cross early.  When he realised it was the keepers ball then he pulled out but momentum carried him into the player.  He can't work against physics.  If he had not gone for the ball and the keeper hadn't reached it we would be crucifying him.

The reaction of the players\crowd\bench and a ref easily persuaded are what got him sent off.

I've already said i think the 2nd booking was harsh, but the referee obviously felt Gayle had used force against the GK.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: boinging_along on May 13, 2019, 11:59:09 AM
The referee was well with in his right to give both bookings.

Sure, he could argue they were yellow but what we didn't see was any kind of consistancy.  By all means say that 26 seconds is too long to take a throw in, or that players need to jog to get the game going again, or that any kind of tackle where momentum causes a collision is a yellow, or that barging through an attacker to try and head the ball is ok, or that a hand in the face is not worthy of a foul, but do it consistantly. 

You see both of those things that Gayle did up and down the country every weekend, how many result in yellows?  I bet the answer is near enough 0.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: boinging_along on May 13, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
I've already said i think the 2nd booking was harsh, but the referee obviously felt Gayle had used force against the GK.

Yeah, I'm saying that he didn't use any kind of excessive force, he went for a ball that was there to be won and momentum caused a collision.  Gayle did what he could to ensure there was minimum of danger to both players.  If he'd gone in and left his studs up then I'd agree with the yellow, as it was he pulled out of the challange as soon as he could.  A foul, not a yellow, again, you see these every week.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: KN22 on May 13, 2019, 12:57:27 PM
Penalty decision to Villa was NOT correct at all.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 13, 2019, 02:19:15 PM
The one on the halfway line was a nothing challenge, Dean Smith was a disgrace and his reaction was possibly what got Gayle the second yellow not long after.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: SmethDan on May 13, 2019, 02:24:08 PM
Words alone cannot express the sheer contempt in which I hold Graham Scott, Gammon Smith and Jack Girlish et.al.

I'll leave it there for now as we have a second leg to concentrate on.

COYB and SOTV  8) .
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 02:26:11 PM
Penalty decision to Villa was NOT correct at all.

Yes it was.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: SmethDan on May 13, 2019, 02:27:50 PM
Yes it was.

It really wasn't, he didn't get either penalty decision right.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: boinging_along on May 13, 2019, 02:29:02 PM
Yes it was.

There was the slightest bit of contact so it can be given.  Poor tackle from Gibbs but Grealish has dragged his left leg into it, a slight brush and thrown himself to the ground.  Gayle should have done the same against Forest.

Disgusting part of the game mind, there was nowhere near enough contact to bring him down and Grealish was looking for it and made an absolute meal of it.  Does that count as deceiving the ref?  It should do imo.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AidantheBaggies on May 13, 2019, 02:38:45 PM
It really wasn't, he didn't get either penalty decision right.

We should have had a pen, i agree.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 13, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
Nice to see what Danny Murphy thinks about it

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pathetic-former-liverpool-man-blasts-16267521?fbclid=IwAR39AzQVorSbzLhs8HTX-sStDbEVQjq1bp58OVe3XYtJ3nWOYy16ATkt7ls

Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: Andio on May 13, 2019, 05:09:03 PM
Nice to see what Danny Murphy thinks about it

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pathetic-former-liverpool-man-blasts-16267521?fbclid=IwAR39AzQVorSbzLhs8HTX-sStDbEVQjq1bp58OVe3XYtJ3nWOYy16ATkt7ls

That's refreshing.

However it's those clowns at the FA that need to be thinking that. Hell they probably are thinking just that, but they won't come out and say it now will they? Idiots, the lot of them.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: AlbionBest on May 13, 2019, 06:07:40 PM
Remember this guy tomorrow night if you need anything to get the adrenaline pumped up pre match; the fools at the FA.....deluded arrogant Vile idiots.
Tomorrow let’s get payback.
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 13, 2019, 06:22:14 PM
Its a pity every one seems to agree he's just an incompetent idiot I was desperately hoping there would be a good conspiracy theory that he'd been 'got at' or bunged in some way as that seems the only way to explain his performance Saturday
Title: Re: Graham Scott
Post by: wbastrollers on May 13, 2019, 06:25:22 PM
Remember this guy tomorrow night if you need anything to get the adrenaline pumped up pre match; the fools at the FA.....deluded arrogant Vile idiots.
Tomorrow let’s get payback.

What with? we have but blank bullets!
What the hell! let's get our pitchforks to the ready and charge them with an almighty BOING!!