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Title: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: AlbionFan on December 30, 2018, 03:21:56 PM
Dean Jones Twitter account:

Mason Holgate set to join West Brom on loan from Everton, pending medical
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: AlbionFan on December 30, 2018, 03:23:17 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter account:

West Brom are closing in on a deal for Everton defender Mason Holgate, most likely a loan. Will provide competition at both RB and CB. Deal could be completed early next week. More on @ExpressandStar #wba #efc
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 30, 2018, 03:23:48 PM
Mason holgate from Everton on loan according to E & S and Sunday Mail. Medical tomorrow. Should help solve the right back problem 😊
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
Dean Jones Twitter account:

Mason Holgate set to join West Brom on loan from Everton, pending medical


Can't harm us in any way. Still hope we sign a permanent proper right back though. Loans are OK to a point but what do we do at the end of the season when they go back?
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 30, 2018, 03:36:33 PM
Would be extremely happy with that!
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: CL3MO on December 30, 2018, 03:39:42 PM
Mason Holgate isn't a bad player at all - 50 odd Premier League appearances over the last few years show that - but he isn't the RB we need. His favoured position is at CB. Sound familiar?  ::)

Also, why are we not looking to build a team for the future? Most of our squad will be released or go back to their clubs at the end of the season. More disappointment from Jenkins.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 03:42:19 PM
Holgate is a centre back pressed into action at full back. Reminds me of Andre Wisdom. Will be a poor signing.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2018, 03:45:23 PM
Is this being reported anywhere reliable ? all I can see is a little bit on the express and star and some wanabee from bleacher report
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 03:47:11 PM
Holgate is a centre back pressed into action at full back. Reminds me of Andre Wisdom. Will be a poor signing.


He's better than Wisdom.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 30, 2018, 03:47:25 PM
Holgate is a centre back pressed into action at full back. Reminds me of Andre Wisdom. Will be a poor signing.

At worst he is a better alternate centre back than Bartley.

From what I have seen of him he is better than Wisdom who is truly awful
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 03:48:44 PM

He's better than Wisdom.


Mears is better than Wisdom. It's an identical signing to the Wisdom signing and not what we need. We need an actual right fullback.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 03:49:11 PM
Perhaps we're thinking of cashing in on Craig Dawson or, heaven forbid, Hegazi.


Can't see it. We are light at the back. Our only CB cover is Bartley then after that you are looking at Tosin but he's being used at RB or Howkins who makes Bartley look half decent.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: wba_1996 on December 30, 2018, 03:49:52 PM
Holgate should go straight in at RB, not a natural fullback but much better than Tosin who is nothing close to a natural RB.

I've given up all hope of this club planning for the future, and thanks to that the squad is f***ed whatever league we're in next season, so I'll be pretty happy with anyone that improves the starting 11.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 03:50:11 PM

Mears is better than Wisdom. It's an identical signing to the Wisdom signing and not what we need. We need an actual right fullback.


I agree but who says Holgate is coming in to be RB?
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Standaman on December 30, 2018, 03:51:41 PM

Can't harm us in any way. Still hope we sign a permanent proper right back though. Loans are OK to a point but what do we do at the end of the season when they go back?

Holgate neatly summarises the loan v permanent dilema. A England under 21 international who has some Premier League experience probably wouldn't sign at this stage of career if he has to move on from Everton I would guess he would find a slot at a Premier League club. He is probably better than most players who we might sign permanently e.g. Tavernier.

I personally would be happier with the better player particularly if we are signing players who would need to be replaced almost immediately if we were promoted. 
 
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 03:55:48 PM

I agree but who says Holgate is coming in to be RB?


We don't need a back up centre back.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 03:59:41 PM

We don't need a back up centre back.


A back up CB and RB. I think that is decent recruitment myself particularly as a loan signing.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: wba_1996 on December 30, 2018, 04:02:49 PM
He's an England U21 international who has played RB in the Premier League, we're desperate for a better RB, it's obvious where he's being signed to play.

Sky sources said he was going out on loan a couple of weeks ago, Matt Wilson is reporting it as a done deal. Kudos to the club for acting quickly.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2018, 04:09:26 PM
He's an England U21 international who has played RB in the Premier League, we're desperate for a better RB, it's obvious where he's being signed to play.

Sky sources said he was going out on loan a couple of weeks ago, Matt Wilson is reporting it as a done deal. Kudos to the club for acting quickly.

He says we are closing in on a deal and could be completed early next week the Express and Star understands, this is why I asked if reported elsewhere as only other link is Bleacher Report as personally sceptical until it does or doesn't happen
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: seteefeet on December 30, 2018, 04:26:39 PM
Madness how some people turn everything into a negative. We need cover at RB and CH and look like getting an England u21 regular, with prem experience, who can cover both and still no good? Really?
Not saying he's a world beater but if he went to Leeds or Norwich I'd be gutted.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: paulosull on December 30, 2018, 04:27:26 PM
Holgate having medical according to sky transfer center
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Foster#1 on December 30, 2018, 04:29:26 PM
Holgate isn't a right back. He's a centre half who looks like a fish out of water when playing full back

From Everton on twitter. Very good at center half apparently
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 30, 2018, 04:54:02 PM
Madness how some people turn everything into a negative. We need cover at RB and CH and look like getting an England u21 regular, with prem experience, who can cover both and still no good? Really?
Not saying he's a world beater but if he went to Leeds or Norwich I'd be gutted.

Agreed, people should be a bit more positive like their old pal, Fritzl  ;D
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Sted1990 on December 30, 2018, 04:55:55 PM
I could see holgate centre back and Dawson moved to right back
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2018, 04:57:27 PM
I could see holgate centre back and Dawson moved to right back

Doubt it, if they had that in mind i'm 100% sure they'd have done it with Tosin.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2018, 04:58:13 PM
Madness how some people turn everything into a negative. We need cover at RB and CH and look like getting an England u21 regular, with prem experience, who can cover both and still no good? Really?
Not saying he's a world beater but if he went to Leeds or Norwich I'd be gutted.

I agree with this! Our fans are crazy sometimes when it comes to transfers.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 30, 2018, 05:00:10 PM
I could see holgate centre back and Dawson moved to right back

Doubt that would be the case though to be honest it'll just be yet another square peg for a round hole no matter how you look at it, could have easily done this with Tosin. Maybe another possibility would be us being willing to listen to offers for Dawson this window with Holgate replacing him in the short term.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Sted1990 on December 30, 2018, 05:02:46 PM
Doubt that would be the case though to be honest it'll just be yet another square peg for a round hole no matter how you look at it, could have easily done this with Tosin. Maybe another possibility would be us being willing to listen to offers for Dawson this window with Holgate replacing him in the short term.

Maybe either way we won’t be spending money but if I had to choose I’d keep Hegazi over Dawson but preferably not lose either.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 30, 2018, 05:05:20 PM
Maybe either way we won’t be spending money but if I had to choose I’d keep Hegazi over Dawson but preferably not lose either.

Don't get me wrong I doubt we'll let either go I just think Holgate is a lad that has been offered around for a loan and its something we think can help us along, if anyone goes it'll be Mears just being released I imagine.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: baggies_24 on December 30, 2018, 05:22:02 PM
Could we be going back to 3 at the back if Holgate is a better CH?
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Baggies on December 30, 2018, 05:24:16 PM
Seems a decent deal to me. Looked good enough at Barnsley to attract Everton. Their fans feel he is more of a centre back than a right back which may be an issue, but in out weird system it might be he can cover the right side of a central 3, plus we are at a lower level.

Hopeful that it works out if he comes (although would love us just to sign a good right back of our own).
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 30, 2018, 06:32:25 PM
If Holgate comes in then I wish him all of the very best and hope he does better for us than Brendan Galloway. A cursory glance at his appearance record tells me he's played against us several times in his 38 PL appearances to date. Not sure if this is a good thing or a bad one but I honestly don't remember him.

It also tells me that other than a run of nine games as a right back towards the end of the 2016/2017 season the majority of his appearances for Everton have been at centre half. Most of these have been on the left of a two man central pairing or the right of a three.

I'm not in any way pre judging the lad but if he does come in I just hope we have a definite plan for how he is to be used. I also hope this plan involves his scouted strengths as opposed to him being shoe horned in somewhere because he's available.
Exactly, I hope that Dowling has squared that away.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2018, 07:03:42 PM
Holgate in
Mears released
This is great business and gets prem experience and athletism in
Enables tosin to drop in to the middle where (imo) he will be a very good player

Someone asked why loans and why we are not building for the future , in the main because we don't want to be in this league, but prem players come with prem wage expectations , it'll be loans and maybe 1-2 signings ....but that is alll we need
Title: Mason Holgate undergoes West Brom medical ahead of loan move
Post by: Wigmore on December 30, 2018, 07:16:07 PM
According to our beloved Sky sources...
Title: Re: Mason Holgate undergoes West Brom medical ahead of loan move
Post by: garry on December 30, 2018, 07:23:50 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6540349/Everton-defender-Mason-Holgate-set-join-West-Brom-loan-end-season.html

Everton defender Mason Holgate is joining West Bromwich Albion on loan until the end of the season.

Darren Moore's Championship promotion chasers edged out late competition from Premier League Bournemouth and Leeds United to convince Holgate of a move to the Hawthorns and were awaiting clearance on the deal on Sunday.

The stylish 22-year-old has only made six first team appearances for Everton this season and is eager to gain more game time.

Albion want cover at right-back and centre-back and still hope to add another defender before the end of January.

Holgate hopes to be in the squad that visits Blackburn Rovers on New Year's Day with Albion third in the Championship, five points behind leaders Leeds United.

The youngster, who has represented England at U21 level, has a long-term contract at Everton that runs until 2022. 

Having joined Everton from Barnsley in 2015, Holgate has proceeded to play 48 times for the Toffees so far.

Title: Re: Mason Holgate undergoes West Brom medical ahead of loan move
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2018, 07:47:08 PM
Looks like we are trying to sort the problem right back position, good move by the club.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate undergoes West Brom medical ahead of loan move
Post by: gerry m on December 30, 2018, 07:55:57 PM
Looks like we are trying to sort the problem right back position, good move by the club.

Yes, Tosin is not a natural right back. The only problem with Holgate was his spat with Firmino. Could be a bit hot headed but never the less a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Blowee on December 30, 2018, 08:54:21 PM
Holgate in
Mears released
This is great business and gets prem experience and athletism in
Enables tosin to drop in to the middle where (imo) he will be a very good player

Someone asked why loans and why we are not building for the future , in the main because we don't want to be in this league, but prem players come with prem wage expectations , it'll be loans and maybe 1-2 signings ....but that is alll we need
I think you are right that Tosin will be much more comfortable in the centre of defence. I know not many will agree but I also think Bartley looks better as a part of a back four - he certainly didn't look good as a part of a three man last line of defence.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2018, 08:58:51 PM
I think you are right that Tosin will be much more comfortable in the centre of defence. I know not many will agree but I also think Bartley looks better as a part of a back four - he certainly didn't look good as a part of a three man last line of defence.
With you on Bartley, I thought he was ok yesterday
You have to play people where they are best
We ruined Chester, Borja and to a lesser extent Odemwingie
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: mr multivac on December 30, 2018, 09:13:53 PM
Would assume Holgate is known to Jones  as he would of been
there when Jones was there with Martinez, maybe even what clinched the deal
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: gazberg on December 30, 2018, 09:31:25 PM
Also if he's signed he is being brought in to start. Everton starting this season now have fines in their loan agreements to clubs for not using their players without good reason.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 09:35:34 PM
Also if he's signed he is being brought in to start. Everton starting this season now have fines in their loan agreements to clubs for not using their players without good reason.


I would hope we would insist on any such agreement being waived. We're in the top 3 of Championship.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 30, 2018, 10:03:56 PM
At the very least a positive move that demonstrates that we are working behind the scenes to get in early transfers. With premiership experience and being able to play both CH and RB may just be a shrewd deal.

Lets wait and see rather than dismissing a transfer without any knowledge of how he plays :D
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: gazberg on December 30, 2018, 10:49:21 PM

I would hope we would insist on any such agreement being waived. We're in the top 3 of Championship.

Would hope so too but with our board who can say.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: KN22 on December 30, 2018, 11:25:42 PM
I think this can only improve the defence so welcome the news.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: wbasoprano on December 31, 2018, 01:13:27 AM
Spoke to an Everton fan I know as soon as I heard about this.

"He's a great defender can play centre or right also has pace. He'll be a good loan move unlucky not to be playing for us"

That will do for me.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: Standaman on December 31, 2018, 11:05:33 AM
I don't much like the notion of penalty clauses in loan contracts if the loanee isn't playing but I guess some of that depends on the other parts of the arrangement. If the Premier League club isn't charging a fee and as is often the case subsidizing the wages I guess how much of a good thing can the Championship club have?

In the case of Holgate I suspect we will be paying all of his £25k a week wages which might well change the balance of power.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: Albion79 on December 31, 2018, 11:26:47 AM
I know a few Everton fans and everyone has said the same thing - Holgate is a very good player but he is too weak to play centre half.

Possibly for his career to progress he needs to move to right back, learn the role and its probably better doing it half a season in the championship that a few minutes here and there in the premier league.

By all accounts he is athletic, quick, decent on the ball so quite possibly similar to Gibbs.

I still wouldnt be shocked to see us move back to the 3-5-2 at some point this season (not that i want too) and if so he can play right sided centre half or at least offer competition for it.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: tommcneill on December 31, 2018, 11:40:14 AM

I still wouldnt be shocked to see us move back to the 3-5-2 at some point this season (not that i want too) and if so he can play right sided centre half or at least offer competition for it.

Im wondering more if it is Moore's preferred direction of formation that he wants to play and is looking to get players in that can allow us to do it?

The squad as it is, is not cut out for 3-5-2 but as we saw from the start of the season thats how he wants to setup. Holgate is a very good player and should be a top signing at this level and beyond.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2018, 11:54:04 AM
Asked a couple of the lads this morning (I live on Merseyside), far more comfortable as a centre back apparently. Seen it too many times, hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2018, 12:18:52 PM
Toffeetalk is generally positive about him (we all know how fickle fans can be right !)
After the Firminio race incident he had an injury and then a long bout of tendonitis, so game time has been virtually zero for quite a while, I doubt that he will hit the ground running, as Jacko says he is seen as a CH rather than RB and is athletic and quick if a little lightweight.

Will be interesting to see what DM has planned for him.

Maybe
Dawson   Holgate   Hegazi   Gibbs

which sounds an awful  lot better than

       Dawson Hegazi  Bartlett
Mears                               Gibbs
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: wba_1996 on December 31, 2018, 01:38:12 PM
I'm almost certain Holgate is coming in to replace Tosin at right back. He's a more suitable height, more agile, quicker, better on the ball and slightly more attacking. Still not a natural RB, but Tosin is really struggling at the minute, keeps getting caught out by wingers and can't get back in time to cover.

Gibbs - Hegazi - Dawson - Holgate is the best back 4 in the league on paper.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2018, 02:06:37 PM
Confirmed, Good news. From Moore's comments it would appear he is not the only one on the way in.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/december/albion-add-first-january-recruit/
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Pie on December 31, 2018, 02:11:31 PM
Good start to the January window - refreshing to see us get someone in early.

I can see us signing him permanently if he does well and we get promoted as I think his chances at Everton will be limited.

Fingers crossed for a CM and striker to follow.

God luck Mason.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: CL3MO on December 31, 2018, 02:25:30 PM
I'd be very, very surprised if DM is going to move Dawson to RB and play Holgate at CB like some on here are suggesting. Dawson has just come out and said how much he is enjoying being back at CB and his partnership with Hegazi is one of the best things about us atm.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: AlbionFan on December 31, 2018, 02:27:22 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter account

Mason Holgate opted to join West Brom on loan over Leeds and Bournemouth #wba #lufc #afcb

Sounds like a job well done by all concerned in the recruitment team, quiet, quick and completed with no fuss for a change.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 31, 2018, 02:39:46 PM
Hopefully means I never have to watch Bartley in an Albion shirt again.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: BalisPen on December 31, 2018, 02:50:10 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter account

Mason Holgate opted to join West Brom on loan over Leeds and Bournemouth #wba #lufc #afcb

Sounds like a job well done by all concerned in the recruitment team, quiet, quick and completed with no fuss for a change.

Just need to poach Reed from Blackburn if not a definite season long loan there and then maybe another striker.

And maybe Bowen from Hull, but very much doubt we'll spend the required amount for him.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 31, 2018, 02:52:08 PM
On paper this sounds like a great addition to the squad.   More advanced in his development than Tosin he will come in at RB but may also provide us with the ability to switch from a back four to a back three when required.... Something that Bartley does not as it has been proven he can only be used in a back four.  Impressed that we got in early as Darren Moore had already enquired in the summer.  Only trash Internet I know but it does sound like Leeds and Villa we're sniffing around.   We still need a permanent signing at right back but value in January is poor and we will be hesitant to buy.  Only concern that it is a safety net signing for Daws or Hegazi but if either went it would be for BIG bucks.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2018, 02:55:28 PM
If we could land Tavernier and Lolly now that would be a perfect January for me.

Title: Re: Mason Holgate
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2018, 03:29:38 PM
I know a few Everton fans and everyone has said the same thing - Holgate is a very good player but he is too weak to play centre half.

Possibly for his career to progress he needs to move to right back, learn the role and its probably better doing it half a season in the championship that a few minutes here and there in the premier league.

By all accounts he is athletic, quick, decent on the ball so quite possibly similar to Gibbs.

I still wouldnt be shocked to see us move back to the 3-5-2 at some point this season (not that i want too) and if so he can play right sided centre half or at least offer competition for it.

If we revert to three at the back I could see Tosin slotting in somewhere alongside Hegazi and Dawson, with Holgate possibly using his athletic attributes on the right to mirror Gibbs on the left. Our current midfield three of Barry, Livermore and Phillips would then stay the same with Gayle and Rodriguez up front. Add another central midfielder and forward to the mix for depth and it could prove to be a good window.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2018, 03:32:08 PM
4-3-3

9 games
6 wins
3 draws
1st in league table over that period

Why the hell would we change the system? Not going to happen.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: paulosull on December 31, 2018, 03:36:01 PM
Welcome Mason hope to see you in first team soon, know a right back central midfielder and forward and business done.  :P
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: geoff on December 31, 2018, 03:55:35 PM
Welcome to the Baggie's Mason & I hope it works out for you & the club.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2018, 04:06:32 PM
4-3-3

9 games
6 wins
3 draws
1st in league table over that period

Why the hell would we change the system? Not going to happen.

Options. We've played 4-4-2, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2, 4-2-4, 4-3-3 and any number of variants based on those mentioned during games this season. Makes me smile when posters state Darren Moore can be inflexible and lament the lack of a plan B (I'm implying that you've done so).
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: paulosull on December 31, 2018, 04:24:00 PM
Options. We've played 4-4-2, 3-4-1-2, 3-5-2, 4-2-4, 4-3-3 and any number of variants based on those mentioned during games this season. Makes me smile when posters state Darren Moore can be inflexible and lament the lack of a plan B (I'm implying that you've done so).
jeepers I've seen us going from back three to back four in games with centre halves been moved all over back four or three but that was only when Bartley played to be fair.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2018, 04:39:58 PM
jeepers I've seen us going from back three to back four in games with centre halves been moved all over back four or three but that was only when Bartley played to be fair.

It's really not. With the possible exception of the Leeds game we've been doing it since the switch to 4-3-3 as and when required. We play a very flexible 4-3-3. When on the front foot or pressing we often go 3-1-2-4, 3-4-3 and 3-3-4. We've even played two at the back with Barry sitting in front when pushing forward too.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Dan on December 31, 2018, 04:52:11 PM
This is a very good signing, he's looked decent even at premier league level and is very comfortable on the ball.

I do worry about returning the back though, bringing him in won't change the fact Hegazi is horrific in that system.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: don1thedon on December 31, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
Welcome to The Baggies Mason - Boing, Boing!
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: tuamigos on December 31, 2018, 06:40:00 PM
Welcome Mason, a welcome signing to cover a position we've struggled to cover.
Nice to see early business being done
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 31, 2018, 07:08:44 PM
A good positive signing

This kid can play, we have kept mears for an extra month whilst he gets up to speed
We should however not write Tosin off,he's going to be a damn good CB and his flexibility has helped us, let's not forget the club will get asked about Dawson and Hegazi
Might be a bit more exciting a window than people think
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 31, 2018, 07:15:32 PM
I don't know where he fits in. I don't think we'll change back to a 3. He's not as good as Dawson or Hegazi and everyone I've spoken to or interacted with via social media from an Everton perspective has been at great pains to emphasise he's not a right full back.


Very odd signing imo. Hopefully he slots in at right back and is an improvement on young Tosin but it's not a given by any stretch.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: gazberg on December 31, 2018, 07:20:22 PM
Alan Nixon confirmed that penalty fines included for lack of game time for all Everton loans.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: hardtobeat on December 31, 2018, 07:47:06 PM
Perhaps the Hegazi injury is more serious than first thought ?
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Adder on December 31, 2018, 08:14:46 PM
Reading the E+S Matt Wilson states he's been used more as a RB than CB. That maybe down to the long term Coleman injury but he's probably going to be less of a fish out of water than Toisin is there.  Moore also impressed with how he handled Rondon last year at CB so I'm pretty sure he'll be straight in at RB, very possibly first reserve for CB after Dawson and Hegazi.....and useful for the back 3 option.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 01, 2019, 01:11:13 AM
Welcome Mason, some much needed youth in our team. Make a name for yourself at our great club.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: alex1 on January 01, 2019, 01:13:57 PM
The reports on him look promising, and I'm hoping he will be strong competition for the right back slot. Must say, I'm having to fight my prejuduce against doing business with Everton,  as we always seem to come off badly. Can't recall anything Galloway achieved here of note (where is he now BTW?), and as for Anichebe, one of the greatest rip-offs in modern transfer history.
Anyway, lets hope Holgate bucks the trend.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 01, 2019, 09:05:38 PM
On paper this looks promising. Let's see how he fairs v Wigan. Good luck son
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 05, 2019, 07:25:11 PM
Looked fine to me today. I think he will do well for us. Tosin looked good today i thought , and with him playing on the left side, Bartley looked much more comfortable on the right side too. 
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: frazzle on January 05, 2019, 07:30:04 PM
Looked fine to me today. I think he will do well for us. Tosin looked good today i thought , and with him playing on the left side, Bartley looked much more comfortable on the right side too.

Agreed on all points. I think Holgate has to come in to replace Tosin, but we now have 4 centre backs all looking a lot more comfortable and if either Hegazi or Dawson don’t make it then I don’t see that being a massive issue when it was a huge worry a few games ago.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: 17GD on January 05, 2019, 07:38:18 PM
Mason was very tidy today. Tackled well, has a nice touch, has skill and pace and nearly scored after a weaving run, just sadly lacked the power in the shot. And nearly scored a header. Not a bad debut for a defender.

You watch some players and think "how are they signed to a PL club?" but with Mason it's clear why he has played so many games for Everton. Hopefully DM and the coaching staff won't coach the confidence and skill out of him.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: Mooncat on January 07, 2019, 12:12:51 PM
I'd love to know who picked his squad number 68 ;D
If it was him, then fair play to win over the fans - classy move.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: NathWBA on January 07, 2019, 12:26:17 PM
I'd love to know who picked his squad number 68 ;D
If it was him, then fair play to win over the fans - classy move.
apparently it’s because we already have 67 registered players and nyom was registered with the league as number 2, just a coincidence he’s ended up with 68
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 07, 2019, 12:55:18 PM
Thought he was very good on Saturday - you can see the difference with somebody playing at right back who knows the role and is more comfortable there. Might be just what we need to balance the team, while also being a touch more defensively minded than Gibbs on the other side.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: skyclad99 on January 07, 2019, 01:00:51 PM
Thought he was very good on Saturday - you can see the difference with somebody playing at right back who knows the role and is more comfortable there. Might be just what we need to balance the team, while also being a touch more defensively minded than Gibbs on the other side.

Agree with you there, his move in the box just before half time took most of the Smethwick End out, let alone the Wigan defender.......lovely movement and he looks very confident. Well done to whoever secured his services.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 13, 2019, 02:53:01 PM
Holgate is a centre back pressed into action at full back. Reminds me of Andre Wisdom. Will be a poor signing.

 ;D

Extremely early days, but I thought he has looked superb both games thus far. Offers us some natural width on that side that we have lacked all season thus far.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 13, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
;D

Extremely early days, but I thought he has looked superb both games thus far. Offers us some natural width on that side that we have lacked all season thus far.


Agree thought he was excellent... last time I ask Bitter Blues at work about the capability of one of their young players. Clueless.
Title: Re: Re: The one big thread for unconfirmed rumours & tat
Post by: SmethDan on January 13, 2019, 03:17:33 PM

Agree thought he was excellent... last time I ask Bitter Blues at work about the capability of one of their young players. Clueless.

Teflon Terry's back in the house  :P  ;) .
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: smosher34 on January 13, 2019, 04:12:15 PM
You can see he is premiership quality.. Put some cracking crosses in yesterday.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 13, 2019, 04:21:16 PM
You can see he is premiership quality.. Put some cracking crosses in yesterday.

Lets hope Everton keep on wining without him, he becomes surplus to requirement and we can buy at the end of the season if we get promoted. Everton owe us one after there last sale to us anyway ;D
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: BalisPen on January 13, 2019, 06:18:27 PM
It was a great performance from mh yesterday, but trying that shot that went for a throwing should have been a hard and low cross for hrk to miss.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: CL3MO on January 13, 2019, 06:42:08 PM
I must say, although I thought he was a very accomplished defender, I did not realise how good he was going forward. His delivers were superb.

Early days, two games in, but initial reservations about him being not good enough going forward look to have been nipped in the bud early!
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: baggiebof on January 13, 2019, 06:59:44 PM
We will look back at addressing the right back issue as very important come the end of the season I'm sure, just hope he stays fit.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate Signs
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 13, 2019, 07:48:22 PM
It appears by consensus that the RB situation is resolved, now we need to move on to a younger attacking midfielder and another striker to give us a real chance of promotion
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Mister AT on February 16, 2019, 11:03:48 PM
Special mention for Holgate.

Has been superb since he’s signed, given us a real balance at the back now, constant outlet on the wing, couple of assists already, has that fiery side to him and loves a tackle.

Brilliant piece of business.

Out of all the loans he would be the one I would be pushing to get in on a permanent.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: albion59 on February 17, 2019, 12:42:58 AM
A very good signing a good player, and nothing like Andre Wisdom.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 17, 2019, 03:30:54 PM
Superb performance yesterday, and walking the tightrope after an early booking.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: gerry m on February 17, 2019, 04:08:12 PM
A very good player but prehaps a bit too passionate. But then again that is what makes him the player he is. As Mister AT says should be looking to buy him at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: KN22 on February 17, 2019, 04:14:50 PM
If we get promoted we should sign him permanently and will probably attempt to do so. If we are still in the championship however I doubt that we could get a deal done.
I agree with all on here, he’s been excellent in the main.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 17, 2019, 04:16:08 PM
I would love for us to sign him permanently, but I guess it depends what division we will be in and the price tag.

He is great young footballer, is very good going forward, needs a little more coaching on his defensive skills and as others have said he has passion and commitment, two valuable assets
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: mulliganstired on February 17, 2019, 05:16:45 PM
If we get promoted we should sign him permanently and will probably attempt to do so. If we are still in the championship however I doubt that we could get a deal done.
I agree with all on here, he’s been excellent in the main.
Hope so, he and Gibbs are proper full backs at last
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: baggie82 on February 17, 2019, 05:31:12 PM
First half he should have been booked early on and got away with a dangerous lunge, then he did get booked 15 minutes later and in-between was arguing with the ref a lot and Abraham. He does have a bit of an attitude and I’m not convinced by decision making defensively. That said second half he was spot on and was aggressive but stayed on his feet. He’s a good loan signing, not sure he’s quite good enough for the prem but a lot of our players fall into that category.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: liverbaggie on February 17, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
When I heard we were looking to sign him I knew,as I've said previously that he was a critical signing,I have friends who are Everton fans who really rate him highly,and he's proved it.
Look at our defensive record since his signing that back four looks good to me.
If we go up,sign him and he's young as well,top signing top player.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Xpresso on February 18, 2019, 11:13:48 AM
Did anyone spot the Villa fan giving Holgate the tosser sign as he went to collect the ball for a throw-in. Just seconds later he put in the cross for Hal's goal.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Albionic on February 18, 2019, 11:49:35 AM
Did anyone spot the Villa fan giving Holgate the tosser sign as he went to collect the ball for a throw-in. Just seconds later he put in the cross for Hal's goal.

Yes I did and what an example of a Vile pot-bellied neanderthal that was !
He would have crapped his fat ar5e if Mason had as much as smiled at him.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: SmethDan on February 18, 2019, 12:16:37 PM
Did anyone spot the Villa fan giving Holgate the tosser sign as he went to collect the ball for a throw-in. Just seconds later he put in the cross for Hal's goal.

No chap, I can't say that I did.

May have to watch the highlights again now.

Damn, blast and bugger  ;) .
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: mig on May 14, 2019, 11:23:42 PM
Sad for Holgate that it's ended for him here on that note. Props to him for stepping up first in the shootout, still only a young kid.

Doubt we will see him back here because he has the quality to step up to the Prem, and a class attitude too always giving it his all. Thanks Mason, and good luck for the future.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: gazberg on May 14, 2019, 11:28:04 PM
Think we had a chance to get him if we went up. Shame. All the best
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: TheBrom on May 15, 2019, 12:47:34 AM
Been one of the better signings this season. Been very impressed by him. As others say shame about the penalty miss, but takes some guts to step up and be the first taker on a night like that.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 12:52:28 AM
I think he may come back next season as imo he isn't ready for the Premier league yet.

I had a feeling he would take a pen, just not that badly. But showed guts to take it.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Atomic on May 15, 2019, 12:57:01 AM
I don't blame him or anyone else who misses in a penalty shootout. It's a lottery and we were knackered.

Hope he comes back next season.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: liverbaggie on May 15, 2019, 02:51:56 AM
We should have a penalty expert to show how its done,his name is bomber brown.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 15, 2019, 05:06:04 AM
I don't blame him or anyone else who misses in a penalty shootout. It's a lottery and we were knackered.

Hope he comes back next season.

He and Gibbs were blowing at the end of the game and I'm not surprised. As you said showed his bottle. I would sign him next year if it were possible.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: baggie38 on May 15, 2019, 05:34:39 AM
They rate him very highly at Everton. I thought the odds would be slim if we went up let alone staying down. Thanks for your work and effort Mason. He left everything on the pitch for me he was man of the match
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 15, 2019, 05:55:37 AM
I'm not so sure he is highly rated at Everton, Wouldn't be surprised to see Everton sign another right back who would be PL ready. As good as he has been for us he may not look so comfortable stepping up in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: KN22 on May 16, 2019, 12:43:55 PM
I think he has been a breath of fresh air and would love to see him return somehow. Never shirks anything and the willingness to take first penalty proves that point.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: baggie38 on May 16, 2019, 12:45:51 PM
I'm not so sure he is highly rated at Everton, Wouldn't be surprised to see Everton sign another right back who would be PL ready. As good as he has been for us he may not look so comfortable stepping up in the Premier League.

They love him at Everton. He was sent on loan to develop to benefit them. I would expect him to be around their squad next season.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Atomic on May 16, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
He's been decent but nothing exceptional. His touch isn't great, his delivery is often very poor but he is fully committed and defensively sound.

He's a good top Championship right back but you can see why he's not established himself in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: brummyroader on May 16, 2019, 01:07:35 PM
Think he’s largely been excellent especially defensively which being a RB is always handy in this day an age
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: tuamigos on May 16, 2019, 01:23:57 PM
Hope we can get him for another season.
Fits the bill, young, athletic, likes a tackle and has a bit of arrogance about him.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: liverbaggie on May 16, 2019, 01:36:20 PM
Everton are looking for another right back.
If we could get him for next season  very good
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Mister AT on May 16, 2019, 02:16:52 PM
He's been solid since coming in.

I like the bit of arrogance he has and he's got that little bit of a nasty streak in him which the fans will love.

Be more than happy to see him come back here if the club could make it happen. I think Mason would be open to a return if his game time is limited at Everton.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Atomic on May 16, 2019, 02:48:46 PM
He's been solid since coming in.

I like the bit of arrogance he has and he's got that little bit of a nasty streak in him which the fans will love.

Be more than happy to see him come back here if the club could make it happen. I think Mason would be open to a return if his game time is limited at Everton.


Me too. You need that. If we can get him in, get him in.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: gazberg on May 16, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Yes hopefully he is up for it. If another seaosn or 2 i think he will improve into a PL quality defender, dont think he's there just yet but not far off. Just needs regular footy.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: 17GD on May 16, 2019, 06:13:24 PM
Been absolutely superb. Would love if he signed.

He's been solid since coming in.

I like the bit of arrogance he has and he's got that little bit of a nasty streak in him which the fans will love.

Be more than happy to see him come back here if the club could make it happen. I think Mason would be open to a return if his game time is limited at Everton.

So true, he has exactly the right amount of arrogance, nastiness and commitment, mixed with a level headedness that more players should have. His pre match and post match appreciation applause to the fans is brilliant. I'd go as far as saying he's the best RB we've had.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 06:49:59 PM
I could definitely see him coming back to on loan as silva will definitely have cash to spend and won't even see him as back up yet imo.

If it was his last appearance, I wish him well and I just wish I'd seen his 68 shirt at Wembley.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: tuamigos on June 06, 2019, 02:32:08 PM
I could definitely see him coming back to on loan as silva will definitely have cash to spend and won't even see him as back up yet imo.

If it was his last appearance, I wish him well and I just wish I'd seen his 68 shirt at Wembley.

Maybe not

https://tbrfootball.com/everton-reportedly-set-to-keep-holgate-at-goodison-to-bolster-centre-back-options/
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 06, 2019, 09:10:42 PM
Really liked the lad, showed the commitment that was sadly lacking from fellow loanee Murphy.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: boingboing1989 on June 07, 2019, 12:23:22 PM
Really liked the lad, showed the commitment that was sadly lacking from fellow loanee Murphy.
Yeah, he really went all in when he came. Showed great professionalism for a young lad and showed so much fight just a shame his last action was missing a penalty for us. Wish him all the best in the future, one of our best loans in terms of attitude and ability.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: gerry m on June 07, 2019, 06:17:49 PM
Hope he comes back! Thought when he 1st came here he would be trouble but was a very good player for us.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: geoff on June 08, 2019, 10:12:16 AM
I love a bit of a bite in a defender & he sure has that. ;)
Good luck to you Mason & thanks for your service.
Title: Re: Mason Holgate (on loan from Everton)
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on June 08, 2019, 12:46:50 PM
Shame he has gone if only he had scored that Penalty. When I watched him against Wigan in the Cup he looked great great energy tried to start an attack looked good at the back. My dad also said he looked solid and that he could help out our defence which in all fairness he did at times. He had great commitment dropping from Premier League to Championship taking a step down but fair play and thank you Mason for your help hope you achieve great things in your Career