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Title: 25 Sept 2018 Albion 0 Crystal Palace 3 (Carabao Cup 3)
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2018, 01:22:01 PM
West Bromwich Albion v Crystal Palace

Carabao Cup 3

Tuesday 25th September 2018 20.00pm

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Title: In Game Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2018, 01:23:03 PM
West Bromwich Albion v Crystal Palace

Carabao Cup 3

Tuesday 25th September 2018 20.00pm

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Title: Pre Match Chat
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2018, 01:23:22 PM
West Bromwich Albion v Crystal Palace

Carabao Cup 3

Tuesday 25th September 2018 20.00pm

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Title: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 14, 2018, 01:28:04 PM
West Bromwich Albion v Crystal Palace

Carabao Cup 3

Tuesday 25th September 2018 20.00pm

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Title: Match Officials
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 19, 2018, 01:29:31 PM

Referee: Peter Bankes
Assistant Referee: Paul Hodskinson
Assistant Referee: Mark Dwyer
Fourth Official: Stephen Martin
Title: Team
Post by: koren on September 22, 2018, 05:09:49 PM
                              Myhill

          Adarabioyo   Hegazi       Bartley

Mears           Field         Barry               Townsend

                          Hoolahan

                     Burke         HRK

Title: Re: Team
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 22, 2018, 05:24:53 PM
That team looks to weak I don't want us to throw the game, but if we are I would prefer we use our kids rather than mears and hoolahan.

Mine would be:
                  myhill

     Dawson Tosin Hegazi

  HRK Harper Barry Townsend

             Hoolahan

      Burke Rodriguez

Bench: Johnstone Bartley brunt  field Livermore Phillips Gayle

Just a few kids and some ammunition on the bench to give it a go if we fall behind.



Title: Re: Team
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 22, 2018, 07:11:22 PM
I personally would give Barry another est on the bench. We need him for the league games.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: wba_1996 on September 23, 2018, 01:36:58 AM
Myhill
Dawson - Hegazi - Adarabioyo
Mears - Harper - Field - Townsend
Hoolahan
Burke - HRK

Bond, Bartley, Brunt, Livermore, Edwards, Leko, Gayle

If we were in the Prem and had a squad that could challenge for a cup win then I'd say go for it, but this is the last thing we need atm. Use it as an opportunity to blood our younger players, throw Edwards and Leko on in the second half and see what happens. Shame we haven't got a younger right wing back to bring in though.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Atomic on September 23, 2018, 09:39:31 AM
I'm not sure what sort of team we'll put out for this. If Palace put out a full strength team we don't want our kids getting a right pasting. I wonder if Darren Moore has been on the phone to Roy asking how seriously he's taking this competition?  :-\
Title: Re: Team
Post by: kie the baggie on September 23, 2018, 11:06:37 AM
                Myhill
       Tosin bartley hegazi
Edwards harper brunt townsend
              Hoolahan
             Burke  Hrk
Title: Re: Team
Post by: baggiebof on September 23, 2018, 12:15:22 PM
Johnstone

Dawson
Hegazi
Adarabioyo

Mears
Harper
Field
Townsend

Hoolahan
Morrison

Rodriguez

Myhill, Bartley, Barry, Brunt, Barnes, Robson-Kanu, Gayle

I think it's key that Phillips and Gibbs, both of whom have a history of muscle injuries and are being asked to do a lot of work, do get a rest where possible. I'd like to see that back 3 as I do believe Bartley to be a weak link for what we are asking of him and I'd like to see us operate with two 10s. Resting Barnes and Gayle as they are so important currently. Centre of midfield is inexperienced but they need games and the team around them has plenty of experience so would be a good test for them.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: mulliganstired on September 23, 2018, 01:05:43 PM
Tricky one this, 3 games next week, we really don't want any injuires to key players, I think I'd load the bench with youngsters and start HRK and Burke up front.  I don't think Roy will put out his first team.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Smooth Lad on September 23, 2018, 01:39:05 PM
That team looks to weak I don't want us to throw the game, but if we are I would prefer we use our kids rather than mears and hoolahan.

Mine would be:
                  myhill

     Dawson Tosin Hegazi

  HRK Harper Barry Townsend

             Hoolahan

      Burke Rodriguez

Bench: Johnstone Bartley brunt  field Livermore Phillips Gayle

Just a few kids and some ammunition on the bench to give it a go if we fall behind.

I wouldn't for the life of me put HRK RWB. Think you may have him and Burke mixed up.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: A5HB on September 23, 2018, 02:28:35 PM
That team looks to weak I don't want us to throw the game, but if we are I would prefer we use our kids rather than mears and hoolahan.

Mine would be:
                  myhill

     Dawson Tosin Hegazi

  HRK Harper Barry Townsend

             Hoolahan

      Burke Rodriguez

Bench: Johnstone Bartley brunt  field Livermore Phillips Gayle

Just a few kids and some ammunition on the bench to give it a go if we fall behind.
I’d say that playing HRK as a right wing back is closer to throwing a game than playing the likes of Mears and Hoolahan.

I think Palace made plenty of changes for the last round against Swansea so I see no reason why they won’t do that again and I imagine we will do the same. We won’t want to risk anyone if we can help it.

Myhill

Tosin
Hegazi/Bartley
Field

Mears
Harper/Morrison
Barry
Townsend

Hoolahan

Burke
HRK
Title: Re: Team
Post by: mulliganstired on September 23, 2018, 03:57:22 PM
I’d say that playing HRK as a right wing back is closer to throwing a game than playing the likes of Mears and Hoolahan.

I think Palace made plenty of changes for the last round against Swansea so I see no reason why they won’t do that again and I imagine we will do the same. We won’t want to risk anyone if we can help it.

Myhill

Tosin
Hegazi/Bartley
Field

Mears
Harper/Morrison
Barry
Townsend

Hoolahan

Burke
HRK
I think it'll be something like this
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 23, 2018, 06:34:08 PM
I know Iran not a lower league opponent but it's also not one of the big boys and we have a home draw so have every chance. Best cup run I remember us having (albeit fa cup) was under Mowbray in the championship. As long as you give it a go you never know.

Wonder if we will sign sako? If so would it be in time to play his former club?
Title: Re: Team
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 23, 2018, 06:51:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/tVxo3m4.png)


subs: Bond Brunt Gayle Leko Livermore Barry Barnes


I'd be happy with this though I suspect Mears will play at right back with Edwards not involved.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on September 24, 2018, 11:21:28 AM
7876 sold so far in home areas. No idea on Palace sales.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 08:31:51 AM
Hard to work our what Moore will go with. He has a lot of options sitting in back up.

I'd like to see us go to 451 really, with Field and Harper in midfield sitting behind Hoolahan or Morrison, but I expect Moore will go with Field at centre back and put Barry in there (thus ruling him out of a start at the weekend).

Will he continue with Leko, Edwards,Burke as the front 3? It was exciting first half last round? I can't however see it this time, as one of Hoolahan, Morrison or HRK will be in line for some game time.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 25, 2018, 09:10:12 AM
                               
                                                          Myhill

                               Tosin                   Bartley              Field

                  Mears                                                                       Townsend


                                               Livermore          Harper

                                                            Morrison

                                       Edwards                              HRK

   
Subs:  Bond, Dawson, Howkins,Brunt, Leko, Rodriguez, Burke
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Atomic on September 25, 2018, 09:45:39 AM
I think we may revert to a back four for this game simply because we then wouldn't have to play Dawson, Hegazi or Bartley. I can see us lining up something like:


                                             Myhill

Mears                  Adarabioyo                 Field                       Townsend


              Hoolahan                   Harper                    Barry                   

Burke                                                                                 Leko

                                               Robson-Kanu
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Atomic on September 25, 2018, 09:54:03 AM
Almost 9300 sold now in home areas.
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: superkev on September 25, 2018, 10:49:39 AM
has anyone got a spare ticket for this one?
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 11:55:59 AM
has anyone got a spare ticket for this one?


The club has got about 11 thousand spares mate  ;D
Title: Re: Ticket Info & Requests
Post by: Dan87uk on September 25, 2018, 04:10:13 PM
has anyone got a spare ticket for this one?

There's thousands left to buy chap, £12 on the gate or something like that?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Mikkyk on September 25, 2018, 04:53:00 PM
We had a decent league cup run under Di Matteo as well - which was very enjoyable (notably Leicester away) until the horror show at Ipswich.

Hoping for a similar, if not better, run this year but wouldn't be too disappointed if we went out having rested a few as our squad is pretty small this season.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 05:31:53 PM
A back 4 with Field at centre back would be very unfair on the player. With 3 at the back, you can make the argument that one can be out of position and be the "footballer" in there, but to play him as part of central pair is a bit too big an ask of a 20 year old.

Moore has a number of tactical and selection options to use tonight which you could understand. My main hope however is thst Barry doesn't start. It would be the only one that would leave me really deflated.

Keep him for the away game at the weekend, and instead play Harper/Field/Morrison/Hoolahan there.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: mulliganstired on September 25, 2018, 05:33:06 PM
I would assume he'll stick to 351, if the fringe players are in they need practice in the system we seem to be decided on for when they are called upon in the league
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: koren on September 25, 2018, 07:05:20 PM
Starting XI: Myhill; Adarabioyo, Hegazi, Field; Mears, Barry (c), Harper, Townsend; Morrison, Hoolahan; Robson-Kanu.

Subs: Bond, Howkins, Brunt, Leko, Edwards, Gayle, Burke.

Big test for Field, play CB against a PL team. Hopefully he and Harper can impress Moore today.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Pie on September 25, 2018, 07:07:38 PM
Starting XI: Myhill; Adarabioyo, Hegazi, Field; Mears, Barry (c), Harper, Townsend; Morrison, Hoolahan; Robson-Kanu.

Subs: Bond, Howkins, Brunt, Leko, Edwards, Gayle, Burke.

Award for slowest midfield ever?

Keep the wins coming lads
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Foster#1 on September 25, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
Palace have a very a strong side. Fair play to Moore for Mixing it. Palace have a strong side. Reckon they will win 3-1
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Barrington on September 25, 2018, 07:13:17 PM
Obviously not too bothered about losing this game then..... ;)
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on September 25, 2018, 07:19:17 PM
Annoying that Field keeps being played out of position. What chance has he got of making an impression that will give him a chance in a league game.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 07:26:01 PM
A line up that comes straight from my "i hope he doesn't do this tonight" checklist.

Barry starts, confirming our weekend line up will be the same as usual.

Field starts at centre half rather than in midfield

Youth players jettisoned in favour of shoe horning in senior players.

The line up looks very narrow for me, possibly our most narrow since we went to this formation. Generally we play played 2 forwards who can add width, with Barnes being a ball of energy covering the pitch. In the league cup, we had 3 wide forwards making up the front 3.

This time, it is 2 central midfielders in front of 2 holding mids, with 1 centre forward up front.

The line up does have the feeling of juet fitting as many senior pros into the team as possible with less regard to balance. Have my doubts.

Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on September 25, 2018, 07:28:46 PM
A line up that comes straight from my "i hope he doesn't do this tonight" checklist.

Barry starts, confirming our weekend line up will be the same as usual.

Field starts at centre half rather than in midfield

Youth players jettisoned in favour of shoe horning in senior players.

The line up looks very narrow for me, possibly our most narrow since we went to this formation. Generally we play played 2 forwards who can add width, with Barnes being a ball of energy covering the pitch. In the league cup, we had 3 wide forwards making up the front 3.

This time, it is 2 central midfielders in front of 2 holding mids, with 1 centre forward up front.

The line up does have the feeling of juet fitting as many senior pros into the team as possible with less regard to balance.
Have my doubts.
Welcome to every single Darren Moore team selection.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 07:30:23 PM
One further point, Mears and Townsend will have to make a lot of forward runs to provide the out balls for Mozza and Hoolahan, as it will be very easy for the defence dealing with HRK (who, despite hus work rate, is not overly mobile).

This looks a very old team.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 07:33:18 PM
Welcome to every single Darren Moore team selection.

...who incidentally has transformed our playing style, retained key players and motivated them to perform, brought pride back to the club, increased attendances and taken us to third in the league as most likely the form team in the league. But find a negative anyway...
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on September 25, 2018, 07:36:20 PM
...who incidentally has transformed our playing style, retained key players and motivated them to perform, brought pride back to the club, increased attendances and taken us to third in the league as most likely the form team in the league. But find a negative anyway...
Please accept by apologies, I briefly forgot that I can't criticise our head coach's decisions. All hail our great, infallible leader.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 07:36:56 PM
Expected a team like this or similar. Expected Burke to start but no major surprises otherwise. Plenty of know how and top league quality so should provide a stern test for a strong Palace side.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: boinging_along on September 25, 2018, 07:37:39 PM
So can we criticise Moore because he's not taking the cup seriously?
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 07:47:00 PM
Expected a team like this or similar. Expected Burke to start but no major surprises otherwise. Plenty of know how and top league quality so should provide a stern test for a strong Palace side.

The know how is there, but I worry about the team shape. Even one change would make a formation that could work but this feels like 1 central midfielder too many.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 07:48:32 PM
The know how is there, but I worry about the team shape. Even one change would make a formation that could work but this feels like 1 central midfielder too many.


It's actually similar to how I'd like us to play in the league with 2 attacking midfielders instead of a striker playing as an attacking midfielder.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 07:49:18 PM
Please accept by apologies, I briefly forgot that I can't criticise our head coach's decisions. All hail our great, infallible leader.

You can say whatever you want - that's the point of the forum. And I can counter your view - that's the point of the forum. I just don't see why you are so negative when we are enjoying our best spell in years. For someone who I recall at one point being a pretty positive person and being equally as concerned as I was about Pulis, your negativity about Moore has been a big surprise to me. But each to their own - that's the point of the forum.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 07:50:49 PM
You can say whatever you want - that's the point of the forum. And I can counter your view - that's the point of the forum. I just don't see why you are so negative when we are enjoying our best spell in years. For someone who I recall at one point being a pretty positive person and being equally as concerned as I was about Pulis, your negativity about Moore has been a big surprise to me. But each to their own - that's the point of the forum.


Spot on. The negativity from people about Moore who were desperate to get rid of Pulis and with him our Premier League status is borderline surreal.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 07:51:30 PM

It's actually similar to how I'd like us to play in the league with 2 attacking midfielders instead of a striker playing as an attacking midfielder.

I felt the team shape was quite good with Rod, Gayle and Barnes, no?

Looking for positives, Mozza is back and hopefully ready to push for a place and I get another look at Harper. Also get to see Hoolahan live in an Albion shirt, who, despite me having reservations about him being past is, is a player I have always wanted in an Alvion shirt, just to see his style of play here.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
I felt the team shape was quite good with Rod, Gayle and Barnes, no?

Looking for positives, Mozza is back and hopefully ready to push for a place and I get another look at Harper. Also get to see Hoolahan live in an Albion shirt, who, despite me having reservations about him being past is, is a player I have always wanted in an Alvion shirt, just to see his style of play here.


No I don't think Rodriguez is playing well at all. He'd be a substitute for me giving us a real threat off the bench.


Hoolahan and Morrison finding space in between the lines could cause havoc tonight.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 07:54:25 PM

It's actually similar to how I'd like us to play in the league with 2 attacking midfielders instead of a striker playing as an attacking midfielder.

Agreed. While I'm a bigger fan of JRod than you are, I could see two attacking midfielders behind Gayle working equally well, but also perhaps giving us a bit more of a grip of midfield. Then again maybe we need two up front to move the oppositions defence around more.

If Sako does arrive things could change again I guess.

Disappointment for me is playing Field in the back three, but I understand why as we need to rest our defenders. Alternative would be to play Livermore in the back three but he is now an important member of our first team. I'm also disappointed about Burke not making the striker role, but then again I think I'm more disappointed with Burke as he has done nothing really to create an opportunity for himself.
Title: Re: Pre Match Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on September 25, 2018, 07:57:33 PM
One further point, Mears and Townsend will have to make a lot of forward runs to provide the out balls for Mozza and Hoolahan, as it will be very easy for the defence dealing with HRK (who, despite hus work rate, is not overly mobile).

This looks a very old team.

My heart sinks a little bit every time I think about our squad too much and this team demonstrates why.

One 35 year old, fine. We have three 35 or older in that side, plus Morrison who seems to be as close to finished as any of those. Throw in HRK  who we don't really need to say much about and its not inspiring.

Whats worse, is how close all of those seem to be to the first 11. A couple of injuries and we will be in a lot of trouble. If we sign Sako that is some relief but even that is short term answer.



 

Title: Re: Team
Post by: Manc Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:01:19 PM
Weak looking team. Looks like we are not taking this competition seriously, again.....
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on September 25, 2018, 08:01:24 PM
For those who want and are in the area, commentary is on BBC WM FM 95.6 NOT DAB or this is also listenable on TV (Freeview) channel 722...
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Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on September 25, 2018, 08:07:15 PM
West Bromwich Albion  0 - 1  Crystal Palace

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 08:08:09 PM
25 yarder. Cut inside and swept in. No saving it.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
Some goal that was
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:11:17 PM
Folks its worth a look in the woodman
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:13:38 PM
Just showed the replay of their goal & it just gets better
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 08:15:04 PM
We look tidy in possession.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggie79 on September 25, 2018, 08:15:18 PM
I hope that I am wrong but when I looked at the team sheets they look to have to much experience tonight but the kids need a chance somewhere so it will do them good in the long run.
Title: Re: Team
Post by: Blowee on September 25, 2018, 08:15:46 PM
A chance for Harper, Field and others to show what they can do against decent oposition. Let's serif they are good enough.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:19:16 PM
Luky not to be two down
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 08:21:28 PM
Game lost momentum due to injuries. I saw a couple of lovely sweeping moves from us but suspect we won’t have much end product. Early days though.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
We are under the cosh...Must get a grip.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:29:23 PM
I think we are looking more likely to score next
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 08:31:43 PM
There is no pace in the team. We look ok in possession but we don't look like creating many chances. They do.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:32:09 PM
Don't like it when we sit back and let them pass the ball around at will.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kirk on September 25, 2018, 08:33:54 PM
Really don’t get it everyone knows you don’t show Townsend the inside.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on September 25, 2018, 08:37:00 PM
Barry is so slow, and HRK offers nothing - toothless. Those two and Mears would not be contracted to a serious football club. Three at the back isn't working - we're a mess at the back.

On the other hand, Harper is playing very well. Would like to see Field given a chance in his actual position.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 25, 2018, 08:37:53 PM
Some really tidy play from us. Harper looks like the missing piece.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:40:03 PM
We keep giving the ball away.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:40:25 PM
We could & perhaps should be 3/4 goals down by now. The amount of Cross's into our box is DISGUSTING.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:40:58 PM
So slow and ponderous.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:42:58 PM
Good save our first shot on target by Morrison.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 08:44:49 PM
Surprised by the Harper comments - I haven't seen him do rhat much. Not awful, just no different to Barry.

Some good play between Hoolahan and Morrison our only real threat, but they are part of the problem really (despite both playing ok).

Hegazi great.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 08:46:21 PM
Palace are that unafraid of us, that they just had every outfield player within 10 yards of our box as we broke.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on September 25, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
The rule where you aren't offside for a deflection is balls. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:48:06 PM
They attack in force, we have 1 or 2 at best, no wonder we can't score.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:49:18 PM
They keep returning our hoofballs.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: maccbaggie on September 25, 2018, 08:49:36 PM
So concerning when you realise Gayle and Barnes are only loan players.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on September 25, 2018, 08:50:28 PM
Half Time

West Bromwich Albion  0 - 1  Crystal Palace
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:50:46 PM
If we go in at half time only 1-0 we will have gotten away with some poor defending.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:50:52 PM
Have we got any midfielders on? We are second to most balls.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: fatboy_coach on September 25, 2018, 08:52:03 PM
Sky are reporting they should have had a red card, handball and the last man stopping a through ball to HRK. Did anyone see it?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: johnny Cash on September 25, 2018, 08:53:09 PM
Have we got any midfielders on? We are second to most balls.

Inconsistent youth learning on the job paired with players who don't just not have the athleticism anymore, but haven't had it for a while. Not a good combination.

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 08:54:01 PM
The site suggest in the woodman
It A1 lads.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: alex1 on September 25, 2018, 08:54:36 PM
Probably our worst display this season. We should be 3 goals down. We keep passing to the opposition. One bright spot is Morrison. Seems to be back to best form.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 25, 2018, 08:54:52 PM
I'd like to see us go to a back 4; Mears, Hegazi, Tosin, Townsend with Hoolahan and Harper sitting, Burke (on for Barry) right, HRK Left, Morrison in the 10 role and Gayle (on for Field)
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 08:55:23 PM
HRK went mad but ref has been very pro Palace. Annoyingly, theit player froze for a second, while our players all appealed and didn't bother making a play for the ball. None thought of tackling him.

Half time, and a sub is needed. This isn't working. Creating little. Morrison and Hoolahan doing little wrong but neither really providing the runs on the break that we need. HRK very immobile. We are trying to play on the break with older, slower players and it does not work.

Palace look the better side overall despite us not being dominated, and I expect them to get a second goal sooon after half time unless a change is made.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: lewisant on September 25, 2018, 08:56:06 PM
Sky are reporting they should have had a red card, handball and the last man stopping a through ball to HRK. Did anyone see it?

Yeah it was a handball but i feel Sky are over-egging it!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2018, 08:56:57 PM
don't look threatening as yet, sums us up with two wasted corners that didn't beat the first man.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:57:13 PM
Barry and Morrison don't have pace to hurt them. We neede to get at them rather than being a "rabbit in the headlights".
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 08:57:40 PM
View from the Halfords: our only players who belong in this company are Hegazi Morrison Barry and Hoolahan which is thoroughly depressing. Field and Harper have been poor. Townsend abysmal.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 08:58:08 PM
I'd like to see us go to a back 4; Mears, Hegazi, Tosin, Townsend with Hoolahan and Harper sitting, Burke (on for Barry) right, HRK Left, Morrison in the 10 role and Gayle (on for Field)

We are that deep that It would make sense. Neither Mears nor Townsend getting forward with any consistency. Go to a flat 4, take Field off (or put him in midfield), and get a fast attacker on. Preferably Burke.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 08:58:23 PM
We can now see why they are second string.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 08:59:37 PM
Sky are reporting they should have had a red card, handball and the last man stopping a through ball to HRK. Did anyone see it?


Definite handball but wouldn't have been a red card.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: seteefeet on September 25, 2018, 09:01:23 PM
Mozza and Hoolihan ok, HRK absolute dross, Man City wouldn't win a game with him up top.
Very slow and laboured at the back and midfield. Neither Field, Harper or Townsend done anything to suggest they'll step up anytime soon.
Moore obviously cares about as much about this cup as Pulis did. Boo.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: robbo_wba on September 25, 2018, 09:03:13 PM
Neither Townsend nor Mears can play wing back. Just awful. Long term if Gibbs or Phillips get injured for a decent period we need to go to 451 or 442.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:03:24 PM
I can see us winning this one 2-1 Gail & leko be
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
don't think a change in formation would make much difference without bringing another striker on.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggiebof on September 25, 2018, 09:04:33 PM
I can't see Mozza seeing out the 90mins. Personally I would like to see us go to a 4231 in this mould at some point:

Myhill

Mears
Adarabioyo
Hegazi
Townsend/Brunt

Harper/Barry
Field/Barry

Burke
Hoolahan/Morrison
Edwards/Leko

Robson-Kanu/Gayle
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 09:15:05 PM
Morrison loses the ball and they attack. He is too slow to get back.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 09:17:03 PM
Morrison looks cream crackered...Needs too go off.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 09:18:02 PM
Palace goal coming very soon. All over us now.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2018, 09:18:43 PM
we've got 4 players playing for Palace. shocking how many times we've given the ball away.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:19:35 PM
STOP THEM CROSSING FOR GOD SAKE.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:20:19 PM
sorry for shouting lads
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: alex1 on September 25, 2018, 09:20:32 PM
We are getting outclassed here,  Too many players think its enough to win the ball and kick it anywhere.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 09:21:41 PM
Are we too afraid to go forward?...OR even pass forward?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:23:34 PM
I'll say this for field he has twice in the last 10 minutes thrown his self into decisive blokes.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 09:24:12 PM
We have had nobody to pass to when going forward, that is the problem. I said it when I saw the line up and nothing I have seen has proven me wrong.

Moore makes 3 changes, all confusing. Edwards, Brunt and Howkins for Barry, Hegazi and Mears. Will never get his subs.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:26:46 PM
Morrison & Hrk to get a full 90+ whow
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: barnestormer on September 25, 2018, 09:29:34 PM
We have had nobody to pass to when going forward, that is the problem. I said it when I saw the line up and nothing I have seen has proven me wrong.

Moore makes 3 changes, all confusing. Edwards, Brunt and Howkins for Barry, Hegazi and Mears. Will never get his subs.
I have my doubts Moore even wants to win the game by using all his sub's and leaving our only bit of pace on the bench with Gayle and Burke.totally baffling
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: baggiebof on September 25, 2018, 09:31:18 PM
Moore makes 3 changes, all confusing. Edwards, Brunt and Howkins for Barry, Hegazi and Mears. Will never get his subs.

Just resting those he plays/most likely to use in the League in Barry and Hegazi. Mears getting a rest instead of Morrison tells me Phillips could be touch and go for the weekend.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 09:31:25 PM
Keystone Kops?
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 09:33:04 PM
Robson-Kanu totally isolated up front. Hoolahan trying his hardest to buzz around him but both feeding off scraps. This was so predictable.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 25, 2018, 09:33:41 PM
Probably because we have no chance of winning the competition! Sad but true I'm afraid. There are enough Chumpionship games tues, sat, tues etc for DM to be concerned about!
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:33:46 PM
Keystone Kops?

Playing more like keystone flops.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on September 25, 2018, 09:36:36 PM
West Bromwich Albion  0 - 2  Crystal Palace

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: kie the baggie on September 25, 2018, 09:37:00 PM
Field looks awful, probably worst player on pitch for me
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:38:31 PM
Better team getting their just deserves
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2018, 09:39:49 PM
Can someone explain substitions  :o that Burke and Gayle haven't been used tonight.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Moore or Jones have positives, our league position suggests that, but tonight is evidence that they are no tacticians. Poor performance, brought on through poor tactics.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on September 25, 2018, 09:42:04 PM
West Bromwich Albion  0 - 3  Crystal Palace

Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 09:42:40 PM
This is an embarrassment of a team. We should be laughed off the pitch.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2018, 09:43:17 PM
Can someone explain substitions  :o that Burke and Gayle haven't been used tonight.
Thin squad , if Gayle gets injured we are left with JRod and HRK . Burke I think will never fit in
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: gavinrussell on September 25, 2018, 09:43:44 PM
Doesn't get much poorer than this...
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:43:58 PM
We have Walker's in the Smethwick end
and I don't blame them
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: tommcneill on September 25, 2018, 09:44:37 PM
Ive had to turn it off...can’t watch that crap!

All this shows is that if we have any injuries to key players we are stuffed

Feel a shame for Field as he is not being given a go in his proper position

We needed about 4 more first team quality players vying for this side

Poor from us..however not bothered about this competition in the slightest this year, it’s all about the league and getting promoted
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2018, 09:46:43 PM
3 mistakes from young lads , diving in on two.
Hard to be too harsh on them playing a fairly strong Premier team .
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 09:47:07 PM
Can someone explain substitions  :o that Burke and Gayle haven't been used tonight.

Maybe ? Moore is showing Mr Lai how short of guality player's we are
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: boinging_along on September 25, 2018, 09:49:48 PM
Awful, awful, awful.

It was going to be a tough game anyway and not taking the competiton seriously has cost us.

I know we are trying something new but tactically we are approaching it wrong.  We never seem to have options on the ball when the CH's have it and we concede possession too easily.  We might be trying to play the ball through the middle but we are simply not good enough for it.

Darren should apologise to the fans for this performance.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Baggies on September 25, 2018, 09:49:58 PM
While we are light up front, I think this is more of an indictment on our tactics tonight than to our squad depth. Get Sako in and we look to have options.

Today we had pace options but Moore didn't use them. Too happy to fall back on the safety blanket of experience so cramed players in rather than build a balanced first 11.

Could have been different had we set up with more than 1 forward player. Awful, predictable result. Moore got it wrong today
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Jimmy on September 25, 2018, 09:52:10 PM
I think we have played some pretty good stuff. Three nil is very unfair on the team performance.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2018, 09:54:49 PM
anyone surprised we've lost with that starting line up? Will never understand Moore's subs tonight. abysmal all round.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2018, 09:55:30 PM
I think we have played some pretty good stuff. Three nil is very unfair on the team performance.
As usual poor at the back but I agree on the rest , played some decent stuff at times.
Title: Re: In Game Chat
Post by: Political Cake on September 25, 2018, 09:57:08 PM
Full Time

West Bromwich Albion  0 - 3  Crystal Palace

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
We deserved to get stu**ed.
No tactics and a very poor side to be put out.
Field played out of position and it showed.
Barry, Morrison and Brunt showed how slow they each are and why they should be drawing their pensions.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 10:02:23 PM
Morrison and Hoolahan very good.

Useful run out for Harper and Adibiyaro.

Thought Brunt was generally poor and Townsend and Kanu just don't look good enough.

Even still, had we had a decent striker on the pitch we could have worried them a bit more I think.

We finished the game with three youth players in defence and two in midfield, yet I still thought we did some good stuff.

Would have liked to see Field in midfield but I can see why he was in defence. Would have liked to see Gayle get the last half hour but can see why he didnt.

All in all, Moore needs to try and make the right decisions to get us promoted, and I think there were one of two in that match that showed they are pushing the first team and gained a good 90 minutes so they are better prepared should they be needed. 
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2018, 10:02:37 PM
Scratching my head at team selection and totally bemused by substitions, can Darren explain what he was thinking. :o
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2018, 10:03:21 PM
What a waste of an evening.

Awful starting line up, awful tactics, awful substitutions. Big Dave has a lot to answer for after that
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 10:03:57 PM
At least it wasn't a league match.
Crystal Palace showed us the difference between us and a Premiership side.
That gulf is very deep.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: geoff on September 25, 2018, 10:04:47 PM
Thought we were very lucky to get away with losing by only 3 goals we still need a major overall of the squad starting in the January window.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 10:06:21 PM
At least it wasn't a league match.
Crystal Palace showed us the difference between us and a Premiership side.
That gulf is very deep.

They showed us the difference between them and our second string.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on September 25, 2018, 10:07:06 PM
baffled when chasing the game you leave a striker like Gayle on the bench, why bother having him as a sub? knocked the ball around well at times but constantly gave the ball away, that line up was never going to win tonight.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 10:07:27 PM
If anyone didn't see that team selection coming I can only ask where you were for the first 2 rounds?


Can see why Moore doesn't pick these young lads; poor to a man. Townsend absolutely dreadful.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 10:07:58 PM
They showed us the difference between them and our second string.
Our second string needs to be beefed up and recognise what work they have to do.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2018, 10:11:02 PM
If anyone didn't see that team selection coming I can only ask where you were for the first 2 rounds?


Can see why Moore doesn't pick these young lads; poor to a man. Townsend absolutely dreadful.
I didn't like the team but you are correct , DM was never going to do anything else . Our squad is wafer thin in areas , reality of relegation.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 25, 2018, 10:13:32 PM
If anyone didn't see that team selection coming I can only ask where you were for the first 2 rounds?


Can see why Moore doesn't pick these young lads; poor to a man. Townsend absolutely dreadful.

Townsend is shocking...but Moore signed the bloke. Much like Mears who is next to useless.

Robson-Kanu is just a waste of a shirt, why are we still picking him?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: frazzle on September 25, 2018, 10:14:06 PM
Our second string needs to be beefed up and recognise what work they have to do.

I thought the match showed that our second string is weak up front and at the back. If we had a decent striker (Sako?) and at least one more centre back, allowing Field to play in midfield, we would have looked a lot better.

Our first team would have beat Palace tonight in my view.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Manc Baggie on September 25, 2018, 10:16:17 PM
Clearly, the club are not arsed about this competition.
They could at least be honest & admit they don’t want to be in the league cup, admit they are going to put out a below strength team & reduce the prices to a quid or even make it free entry.
If we are expected to watch a reserve team, at least have the decency to be up front & not take the piss out of the fans & price it appropriately.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2018, 10:16:29 PM
Townsend is shocking...but Moore signed the bloke. Much like Mears who is next to useless.

Robson-Kanu is just a waste of a shirt, why are we still picking him?
Purely because he won't risk the other two on a night like Tonight .
Harsh on Townsend , poor Tonight but up against a decent defender and I don't think wing back suits him.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: smosher34 on September 25, 2018, 10:16:36 PM
Waste of an evening 1st time I have left early in ages. Why didn't he put Gayle on 2nd half against his former club 🤔
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 25, 2018, 10:20:52 PM
Clearly, the club are not arsed about this competition.
They could at least be honest & admit they don’t want to be in the league cup, admit they are going to put out a below strength team & reduce the prices to a quid or even make it free entry.
If we are expected to watch a reserve team, at least have the decency to be up front & not take the piss out of the fans & price it appropriately.


Tenner in so was priced accordingly. Add the teamsheet from rounds 1 and 2 and nobody is pulling the wool over our eyes.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2018, 10:22:59 PM
Why bother playing in cups  ??? Peed off with Moore for team selection and substitions.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Dexy on September 25, 2018, 10:24:28 PM
Pick a few positives out...
Morrison looked sharp
Wes must be the fittest 36 year old I've ever seen
Young lads will have gained from these 3 games
Harper looks decent ...
End on a bad note , doesn't matter who we put out the passing from the back is woeful and does seem to get any better.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 25, 2018, 10:27:55 PM
Waste of an evening 1st time I have left early in ages. Why didn't he put Gayle on 2nd half against his former club 🤔
Maybe because he’s saving him for Saturday. He’s one of our most important players and we need him firing in the league. With all the extra games this season, this cup really was an unwanted risk with our limited squad.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: alex1 on September 25, 2018, 10:29:22 PM
Good match practice for the youngsters and run out for Morrison and Hoolihan. I think you have to play them at some stage or they will never get a chance. They need more chances for match experience and some will improve, as you see with the best players.
I thought Morrison looked much sharper than earlier this season. Criticism of Townsend a bit harsh as he was up against an excellent right back. HRK looked a bit helpless playing on his own.

Obviously they never had a realistic chance of winning.   
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 25, 2018, 10:30:56 PM
Well I thought that was too many changes and it was, we might have got away with 2 or 3 but 10 against prem opposition was asking for it.

Field definitely won't be a cb, felt sorry for him. Mind you seeing 4 academy players out there is a good thing for the club. Harper I don't think looked out of place pick of the youth.

Hoolahan looked good and will offer us something different to Barnes. Thought he and Morrison had some nice link up play but both faded as the game went on.

Really disappointed with Townsend who started so brightly with Albion not sure wing back suits him. And God I hope Phillips gets fit soon because mears is woeful don't think he stopped a cross all game
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: kie the baggie on September 25, 2018, 10:33:10 PM
I couldnt be arsed with it tonight, it was a game we didnt need, imo big dave did the right thing tonight, keep everyone fresh for Saturday
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: WBArgo on September 25, 2018, 10:39:53 PM
Call me cynical but I don't care; we are chasing promotion and realistically wouldn't get near winning it (in my lifetime I genuinely can't remember a non-premier league team winning a league/FA cup).

Besides, with this defense we would have probably gone out sooner rather than later anyway.

Now we can focus on the league.

Regarding the match, it showed our frailties; defensive poor and shows the need for Dawson/Gibbs and some of the midfielders were pedestrian.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 25, 2018, 10:47:37 PM
Well at least one team took it seriously. Looking at Palace's line up before the game we were going to need a full strength first team to beat them. The team we put out is the sort of team we played against Luton and Mansfield.

We were second best all over the park. If we'd any intention in rescuing the name we surely wouldn't have made the subs we did. We were crying out for pace / mobility up front yet Moore brings on no attackers at all.

It's OK playing weakened teams against lower league opposition but not against Premier League opposition.

Disappointed in Darren Moore's approach to this game to be honest.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: baggie82 on September 25, 2018, 10:50:30 PM
Knocked it around quite well tonight but had zero pace or power upfront to trouble Palace so they toyed with us. Shows how reliant we are on Gayle.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 25, 2018, 10:53:35 PM
Knocked it around quite well tonight but had zero pace or power upfront to trouble Palace so they toyed with us. Shows how reliant we are on Gayle.


I said before if he's injured for any period of time we are in serious trouble. Robson-Kanu is awful and we have no one else.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on September 25, 2018, 11:28:50 PM
Just got back. The only bright thing tonight was Hoolahan and Mozza's performance. Everything else was brittle and aimless.

At 1-0, the game was crying out for Gayle to come on, but instead, DM leaves HRK on, who IS NOT a footballer. Plain and simple. The man steals a living. It seems like it's common sense that DM doesn't have - to play with one player up front, you need that player to be able to hold the ball up. HRK cannot do this and he cannot read passes. A few balls went up to him and while waiting for the arrival, a Palace player nipped in front and pinched it, every time.

The subs baffled me. DM goes from making one or two subs in a game, to making all three at the same time - all making no impact what so ever.

Going by his interview on WM, it seems obvious to me that he took tonight's game as "game time" for some of the players, as opposed to looking to actually win the match. We had no pace, no purpose and no skill.

How many times did Townsend receive the ball out wide, only to turn back and pass it back to Field or Hegazi? It's like DM is scaring them from taking players on.

And how many corners did we have where their first player headed the ball clear? Every single one.

People may say "well it's only the cup", but a game is a game and we should be playing to win every game.

Tonight was gutless from DM.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 25, 2018, 11:36:03 PM
Not the result you want to discover after a 17 hour day at work  >:(  To be honest we were fairly fortunate to scrape past Luton and Mansfield and the powers that be clearly have no interest in the competition. Why the hell doesn't he give Field a go in the middle and where was Burke?

Out of interest, did Roy get a good reception?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: rogerstubbs on September 25, 2018, 11:37:19 PM
Very disappointed with 2nd half performance,surprised neither burke or lecko were given a chance. Surely field must be given a chance in midfield.Thought Morrison looked sharp came closest to scoring.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: TheBrom on September 25, 2018, 11:41:57 PM
What an awful performance and a poor game on the whole. Just got home and massively regretting the 3 hour drive straight from work to stand in the cold to watch that rubbish. Judging by the masses of empty seats, obviously everyone else got the memo and decided against going, which I will be doing for the remaining cup games this season as we're clearly not taking them seriously still. What's the point?

The majority of that team tonight (bar Hegazi, Brunt and potentially Field) should be nowhere near our starting 11 this season. Still can't believe we've let a Palace reserve team comprehensively beat us 3-0 at home.

Special shout outs to:

Myhill who again didn't look up for it, and I felt reacted poorly to their first goal and was then shaky for the majority of the game. Why did we release him and then sign him back again?

Townsend is a poor player. Didn't beat his man once, constantly turning back. Don't think he got a cross past the first man once the entire evening.

Adarbayo (sp) gave the ball away every time he touched it as did Harper. Was Mears on the pitch?

HRK still isn't a striker, and Morrison whilst having some nice touches, still didn't look match fit and chose the wrong decision most of the time.

Strange management tonight too, not sure what was the point of picking a few random youngsters mixed with ridiculously old legs in random positions with pretty much no starting 11 players; really not sure what Moore expected to happen there.  Like for like subs too which didn't have any impact on the game again. And why oh why did we persist on trying to cross the ball in to HRK and Hoolahan the entire game? If we did manage to beat the first man neither had a chance of winning a header. Kept resorting to hoofing it forwards too to HRK who isn't a target man.

Disappointed and annoyed at yet another wasted chance to progress in a cup competition.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 25, 2018, 11:48:31 PM
Just got back. The only bright thing tonight was Hoolahan and Mozza's performance. Everything else was brittle and aimless.

At 1-0, the game was crying out for Gayle to come on, but instead, DM leaves HRK on, who IS NOT a footballer. Plain and simple. The man steals a living. It seems like it's common sense that DM doesn't have - to play with one player up front, you need that player to be able to hold the ball up. HRK cannot do this and he cannot read passes. A few balls went up to him and while waiting for the arrival, a Palace player nipped in front and pinched it, every time.

The subs baffled me. DM goes from making one or two subs in a game, to making all three at the same time - all making no impact what so ever.

Going by his interview on WM, it seems obvious to me that he took tonight's game as "game time" for some of the players, as opposed to looking to actually win the match. We had no pace, no purpose and no skill.

How many times did Townsend receive the ball out wide, only to turn back and pass it back to Field or Hegazi? It's like DM is scaring them from taking players on.

And how many corners did we have where their first player headed the ball clear? Every single one.

People may say "well it's only the cup", but a game is a game and we should be playing to win every game.

Tonight was gutless from DM.
Exactly! Well summed up.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: 17GD on September 25, 2018, 11:56:56 PM
Not the result you want to discover after a 17 hour day at work  >:(  To be honest we were fairly fortunate to scrape past Luton and Mansfield and the powers that be clearly have no interest in the competition. Why the hell doesn't he give Field a go in the middle and where was Burke?

Out of interest, did Roy get a good reception?

Roy had a good reception from everyone, had a lengthy chat with DM before the match and waved to the fans when they sang "give us a wave". Was nice to see.

Burke was on the bench looking inebriated off. Don't blame him to be honest. To be behind HRK and some of the kids must be infuriating.
Title: Sky Match Highlights
Post by: TheBrom on September 25, 2018, 11:57:06 PM
For those that didn't go (you lucky ....'s):

https://vimeo.com/291809920

Watching it back, all 3 goals are comical
Title: Re: Sky Match Highlights
Post by: caravanc58 on September 26, 2018, 12:03:41 AM
For those that didn't go (you lucky ....'s):

https://vimeo.com/291809920

Watching it back, all 3 goals are comical
thought the 1st goal was a fantastic strike, however the more I watch it the more I think why was Myhill so far of his line.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wba_1996 on September 26, 2018, 01:36:09 AM
As I said before the game, don't care about the result as more fixtures are the last thing we need and you don't win a cup without a PL squad. Thought the team selection and subs were poor though, just play the kids for the experience and be done with it. Field at centre back is a joke, the obsession with cramming Brunt and Barry into every game is frustrating and now neither is 100% fresh for Saturday. How Burke and Leko didn't get any game time in a match that we quite clearly threw is woeful management.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 26, 2018, 02:47:20 AM
The line up was pretty much expected but the performance wasn't. We lacked a cutting edge which HRK was never going to provide. Corners were dreadful, no matter who took them, did any get past the first defender?

Myhill should have done better for the first goal,but so should Field although to be fair to him he was played out of position and it was Andros Townsend.

Anyone wondering why the kids don't get a game, there was your evidence.

At least we can concentrate on the league now.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wba_1996 on September 26, 2018, 02:53:39 AM
The line up was pretty much expected but the performance wasn't. We lacked a cutting edge which HRK was never going to provide. Corners were dreadful, no matter who took them, did any get past the first defender?

Myhill should have done better for the first goal,but so should Field although to be fair to him he was played out of position and it was Andros Townsend.

Anyone wondering why the kids don't get a game, there was your evidence.

At least we can concentrate on the league now.

What kids? That was our OAP team. Field was hung out to dry at centre back. Edwards came on at wing back and Burke and Leko didn't play a minute. Only Harper got a fair chance.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: royhan on September 26, 2018, 03:24:53 AM
I didn't see the game - apart from TV highlights of the goals - but based on the scathing criticisms on this forum about team selection and substitutions why don't our journos start asking some more pointed questions to Moore at after match press conferences?  If our fans have what appears from afar to be valid criticisms of the selection of certain players week in week then surely journos should at least ask for an explanation from the manager. I am not seeing any evidence of this. And before someone points to our high league position we shouldn't be carried away with this. It's very early days and we could soon start to drop like a stone with a few more wretched performances.
Title: Re: Sky Match Highlights
Post by: TheBrom on September 26, 2018, 07:09:29 AM
thought the 1st goal was a fantastic strike, however the more I watch it the more I think why was Myhill so far of his line.

Yes watching it live I thought the same. It goes in the bottom corner pretty much
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tuamigos on September 26, 2018, 07:39:35 AM
Maybe because he’s saving him for Saturday. He’s one of our most important players and we need him firing in the league. With all the extra games this season, this cup really was an unwanted risk with our limited squad.

So why bother putting him on the bench in the first place?
We should have known what to expect with HRK as our strike force
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: caravanc58 on September 26, 2018, 07:53:03 AM
most if not all of us will probably never see us win a cup. when in the prem it's survival comes first and in the championship it's promotion all that matters, sad really that honours ain't the priority anymore to majority of football clubs.

Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Mikkyk on September 26, 2018, 08:37:28 AM
First chance to post on this but on that evidence very few of our back up/youth players are anywhere near good enough.

Positives
Morrison - Looked sharp, creative and up for it. Unfortunately didn't have the players around him on the same wavelength
Hegazi - Solid until he went off, distribution better than it has been in some recent league games

Negatives
HRK - Awful, barely anything stuck. Every through ball went to a palace player cause he is just to slow. At 0-0 was through on goal due to a defender slip and turned back into the defender!
Myhill - Not seen replays but think he could've done better on the first, his feet didn't get off the ground. Stuck on his line which could and should've led to two more goals at 1-0
Harper - If you take all the bad aspects of Pogba and apply none of the good ones then you have Harper. Sauntering around the pitch, hiding from receiving the ball and backwards/sideways when he has it
Townsend - Looking like a waste of (little) money. Not sure what he has; no pace, not great defensively, can't cross and no skill. As a result lost all confidence in himself
Barry - didn't have a bad game but can barely last a half fitness wise

Field made a few errors but got better on the ball second half and never lost confidence in himself which was good. However two townsend goals came from running at field (almost like he's not a centre back)
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 26, 2018, 08:51:54 AM
First chance to post on this but on that evidence very few of our back up/youth players are anywhere near good enough.

Positives
Morrison - Looked sharp, creative and up for it. Unfortunately didn't have the players around him on the same wavelength
Hegazi - Solid until he went off, distribution better than it has been in some recent league games

Negatives
HRK - Awful, barely anything stuck. Every through ball went to a palace player cause he is just to slow. At 0-0 was through on goal due to a defender slip and turned back into the defender!
Myhill - Not seen replays but think he could've done better on the first, his feet didn't get off the ground. Stuck on his line which could and should've led to two more goals at 1-0
Harper - If you take all the bad aspects of Pogba and apply none of the good ones then you have Harper. Sauntering around the pitch, hiding from receiving the ball and backwards/sideways when he has it
Townsend - Looking like a waste of (little) money. Not sure what he has; no pace, not great defensively, can't cross and no skill. As a result lost all confidence in himself
Barry - didn't have a bad game but can barely last a half fitness wise

Field made a few errors but got better on the ball second half and never lost confidence in himself which was good. However two townsend goals came from running at field (almost like he's not a centre back)


Agree with that. I agree with most of the non bold stuff too to be honest. They (Morrison and Hegazi)  were the only two who looked genuine Premier League quality. Barry has the ability but his legs have gone hence why he was happy to drop down a league.

Townsend reminds me of a left back version of McClean. Robson-Kanu is just a waste of a shirt.

Agree regarding Field, he had a shocker of a first half but didn't hide and actually played fairly well second half which showed great character for a kid. He looks lost at centre back though.

Harper had his limitations clearly exposed. He's ok against lower league teams where his presence and size help him  impose himself on them but against better opposition yesterday he got totally played around.

Hoolahan is too lightweight and not athletic enough for the Premier League but he will do a job on occasions for us at Championship level.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 26, 2018, 09:43:14 AM
The line up was pretty much expected but the performance wasn't. We lacked a cutting edge which HRK was never going to provide. Corners were dreadful, no matter who took them, did any get past the first defender?

Myhill should have done better for the first goal,but so should Field although to be fair to him he was played out of position and it was Andros Townsend.

Anyone wondering why the kids don't get a game, there was your evidence.

At least we can concentrate on the league now.

All 3 of them?

I would have preferred us to start with an attacking trio of Edwards, Leko and Burke as we would have at least had pace with which to trouble the two right backs they had playing centre back, instead it was Morrison and Hoolahan looking tricky on the ball but in actual fact getting us absolutely nowhere with an utter lump up front who would fail to get into most League One sides.

We have signed Mears and Townsend (who is 25 by the way, certainly no kid) who are both not up to it in the positions they are being asked to play as they are both very limited full backs at best, certainly not wing backs.

Barry played well first half but second half he faded again to be replaced by Brunt who proceeded to pass to the opposition time and time again as ever and fail to beat the first man with all corners with that wand of a left foot I am continually told he has.

Make no mistake, if Pulis had put that team out and set us up in that manner, he would have had absolute pelters because of it, but as it is Darren it is apparently fine to waste £10 of fans money and an evening of their time because he is resting players for the weekend game in a league whereby, even if we were poor against Preston and failed to get more than a point (which I think will happen in any event) there are countless other games to catch the points up in when we had a very presentable opportunity to progress in a Cup competition for the first time in a long time.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: wba_jd26 on September 26, 2018, 10:34:11 AM
Would like to make a comment about Tyrone Mears who was utterly dreadful last night. He spent the game hiding and not wanting to receive the ball. It meant that none of our play could come down the right hand side and made it easy for palace to defend against.

I am seriously concerned at what we will do when/if Phillips gets injured
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 26, 2018, 10:39:20 AM
Would like to make a comment about Tyrone Mears who was utterly dreadful last night. He spent the game hiding and not wanting to receive the ball. It meant that none of our play could come down the right hand side and made it easy for palace to defend against.

I am seriously concerned at what we will do when/if Phillips gets injured

Simply put, we have to get both Phillips and Gibbs through to January unscathed playing every game because the other options in their respective positions are not up to it.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: mulliganstired on September 26, 2018, 11:05:42 AM
I didn't really care about last night tbh, I know that's sad, but to be devil's advocate what would people on here have been saying today if Barnes, Gayle or Phillips had played and picked up a knock so they missed out on three tough games next week, or worse, got a three month injury?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 26, 2018, 11:22:26 AM
Disappointed not to see Burke,,Leko and Edwards start. This side was devoid of any pace and rarely troubled the opposition.

Palace thoroughly deserved their win.

Townsend and Mears were very poor. Hoolahan and Morrison the stand outs.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 26, 2018, 11:46:20 AM
Think the criticism of Harper in particular is harsh, thats probably the toughest test he has had in his career and he wasn't as bad as some are making out, yes he lost the ball a few times, name one player who hasn't this season, yes he hit a few dodgy passes, again name a player who hasn't this season. He will learn a lot more from that last night than he will have done against Luton and Mansfield. Needs another loan move along with Edwards and Field as sitting on our bench watching the so called "better" players do exactly the same helps no-one but as we have this stupid rule that we have to have a home grown player on the bench then we'll no doubt keep them all sitting around getting no experience at all and maybe getting a game in the FA Cup if we draw another lower league team.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Atomic on September 26, 2018, 11:49:11 AM
Simply put, we have to get both Phillips and Gibbs through to January unscathed playing every game because the other options in their respective positions are not up to it.


Add Gayle and Barnes to that list.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: tuamigos on September 26, 2018, 12:40:35 PM
I didn't really care about last night tbh, I know that's sad, but to be devil's advocate what would people on here have been saying today if Barnes, Gayle or Phillips had played and picked up a knock so they missed out on three tough games next week, or worse, got a three month injury?

they have just as much chance of getting injured in training but they don't stop training do they?
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 26, 2018, 12:57:07 PM
Absolute waste of time. I can understand the team selection, what I can't understand is the complete lack of intensity or desire. We simply didn't want to win that game, and it showed. Instead of go after a scalp that would have kept the positivity going, we give up from early on.

Showing Townsend inside onto his left, what were we thinking? That's a lack of scouting, preparation, or basic reading of the game. Anybody who has seen Match of the Day knows you don't do that.

Our Townsend was poor, but he disappeared as soon as Wan-Bissaka came on. It was like he realised that the Palace lad was too good for him to beat, and so he gave up and went into his shell. Robson-Kanu was crap as well. Granted he had a lack of support, but the first thing he looks to do is start backing into the defender instead of creating space for himself or others. And he couldn't read a Mr Men book, let alone a pass.

We were poor all over last night, but it's the attitude I can't stand. We not me and a positive mental attitude? Where's that gone.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 26, 2018, 02:59:11 PM
What kids? That was our OAP team. Field was hung out to dry at centre back. Edwards came on at wing back and Burke and Leko didn't play a minute. Only Harper got a fair chance.

there's 3 then.... plus Townsend and Adabarioyo is still a kid too so that's 5 of the starting 11 ::) Field has played every cup match at the left side of the defensive three so hardly hung out to dry as you said. I'd prefer him to play in midfield myself but in previous rounds he has played well on the left side of defence, last night he was up against better opposition and he looked out of his depth. Harper was pretty anonymous in midfield and Edwards didn't really get involved. Both looked better in earlier rounds against lower league opposition but looked way out of depth last night along with Townsend, who I thought played well when he came on for Gibbs at Norwich and against both Luton and Mansfield but struggled against Blues and last night.

I was surprised that Burke wasn't involved as I thought we needed him and Gayle on but let's be honest, in his admittedly brief cameos for us, Burke has hardly set the world alight.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 26, 2018, 03:02:31 PM
there's 3 then.... plus Townsend and Adabarioyo is still a kid too so that's 5 of the starting 11 ::) Field has played every cup match at the left side of the defensive three so hardly hung out to dry as you said. I'd prefer him to play in midfield myself but in previous rounds he has played well on the left side of defence, last night he was up against better opposition and he looked out of his depth. Harper was pretty anonymous in midfield and Edwards didn't really get involved. Both looked better in earlier rounds against lower league opposition but looked way out of depth last night along with Townsend, who I thought played well when he came on for Gibbs at Norwich and against both Luton and Mansfield but struggled against Blues and last night.

I was surprised that Burke wasn't involved as I thought we needed him and Gayle on but let's be honest, in his admittedly brief cameos for us, Burke has hardly set the world alight.

Townsend is 25...he is not a kid.

Edwards didn't start, so 3 of the starting 11 were kids.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adamstv on September 26, 2018, 04:20:32 PM
Simply put, we have to get both Phillips and Gibbs through to January unscathed playing every game because the other options in their respective positions are not up to it.


Totally agree with this comment. Mears hid on Saturday and had no intention on getting forward. His cross was for me him just wanting to get rid of the ball and he couldn’t pass backwards. Inept
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 26, 2018, 04:40:24 PM
Think the criticism of harper is abit unfair- he's 18 and only played against Luton and Mansfield that was a far sterner test for him. He won the ball back countless times and looked tidy in possession without doing anything game changing.
He would benefit from half a season in league one with the view to championship football next year.

Field also looked tidy on the ball he's just not a centre back so was hung out to dry I would like to see him get game time. If not he should also be out on loan until end of season with bottom end championship club.

I agree with a lot of the posters, that at 1-0 down when making his triple sub he could have thrown on the likes off leko Burke or even Gayle. His subs reeled off making sure the 2 first teamers would be ready for sat- Barry and hegazi. His third sub replaced our worst player on the night. So I can give him slack for that.

It was the full 10 changes prior to the game that's unforgivable.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 27, 2018, 06:34:32 AM
Townsend is 25...he is not a kid.

Edwards didn't start, so 3 of the starting 11 were kids.
I stand corrected, I didn't realise Townsend was that old , he looks about 20.
 My original point of non of the kids looking good enough still stands though.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Adder on September 27, 2018, 08:07:36 AM
It's this old thing....if a 'normal' player has a dodgy game we might criticise the performance. If a young player has an off game 'he's not good enough' as though we should ditch him.

Playing in what was a pretty scratch team against Palace isn't that easy. Bringing Harper or Field or Edwards/Burke/Leko into a settled Saturday team would be a different matter.
Title: Re: After Match Debate
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 27, 2018, 09:37:07 AM
It's this old thing....if a 'normal' player has a dodgy game we might criticise the performance. If a young player has an off game 'he's not good enough' as though we should ditch him.

Playing in what was a pretty scratch team against Palace isn't that easy. Bringing Harper or Field or Edwards/Burke/Leko into a settled Saturday team would be a different matter.

or not good enough to start in the first team...which is my point.