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Title: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 23, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
This kid looks a real talent. Hopefully this gets done today....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlBepvShhiI
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: A5HB on July 23, 2018, 04:03:49 PM
Have a few questions over the need for this kind of deal given our ambitions (or expected ambitions) this season, but won’t put those onto the player as it’s not his fault. Looks like a real talent who made a good impact at this level last year. Hopefully he can do the same for us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 23, 2018, 04:10:58 PM
Leicester mercury confirming loan is close.


Disappointed it a loan. We are being cheapskates again.

Oh well, let's give him a chance. Looks a talent
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Scruffy Stan on July 23, 2018, 04:17:23 PM
Probably cheapskates, I grant you, but possibly Leicester wouldn't let him go any other way and we thought he was worth having.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: royhan on July 23, 2018, 04:22:15 PM
Leicester mercury confirming loan is close.


Disappointed it a loan. We are being cheapskates again.

Oh well, let's give him a chance. Looks a talent

A permanent deal for this promising young player would have made a lot more sense. We’ll be back to square one this time next year and, if things work out for him Leicester will have a valuable player on their books. Possibly they didn’t want to sell him but with transfer fees spiralling we should be looking for young players who can add value to us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Foster#1 on July 23, 2018, 04:22:49 PM
Lads It's one loan. Who doesn't make loan signings when they're available.

We've had many successful or dud loans, let's just see what happens ffs
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 23, 2018, 04:27:26 PM
love the mass hysteria when loans are announced.

"cheapskates, why aren't we buying him now" etc

And how many loanees have we had have turned out to the business and we should of bought them straight away?

Il wait...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Albionic on July 23, 2018, 04:28:29 PM
Lads It's one loan. Who doesn't make loan signings when they're available.

We've had many successful or dud loans, let's just see what happens ffs

Much cheaper than Sturridge and must have more impact, its an improvement ! See, positive news !
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 23, 2018, 04:35:09 PM
Completely hypothetical BUT

If Harvey Barnes turns out to be the difference between getting promoted and not then he is essentially a £60m loan signing. I don't understand the frustration with loans as it allows us to bring someone of a calibre we probably wouldn't be able too permanently or if we could would be financially out of reach.

Yes it leaves a hole in the squad for next season BUT you have a year to plan to fill that hole. Even if the loan is unsuccessful. Would much rather have a successful loan for 12 months than a failure of a permanent signing.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Foster#1 on July 23, 2018, 04:38:34 PM
Barnsley and Leicester forum say quick feet, direct and good end product.

Already sounds Better than Burke, leko& McClean
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: KYA on July 23, 2018, 04:43:28 PM
Looks decent and an improvement on McClean, not too fussed at it being a loan it just means if he is successful we will have to pay a good price for him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on July 23, 2018, 04:46:51 PM
Barnsley and Leicester forum say quick feet, direct and good end product.

Already sounds Better than Burke, leko& McClean

I spoke to a Barnsley STH I work with and they couldn't praise him enough.  Also said he had a really good attitude.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Baggies on July 23, 2018, 04:53:39 PM
He is clearly too good for under 23 grade football (5 goals and an assist in 6 games at the end of last year for a winger tells it's own story), and at 19 he was one of Barnsley's better players last year in the same league, so he might well be a great addition, but it is still hard not to have the (possibly irrational) awkward feeling about taking a 20 year old on loan from a mid table prem clubs academy when he hasn't really had any game time for them.

I fully support us having loan deals from the prem and beyond, but generally you are thinking players from top clubs academies who are probably ready for senior football, but can't be risked at the sharp end of the league and so you get in during that window of opportunity (for instance, Mason Mount to Derby and Tammy Abraham when he went Bristol 2 summers ago).

When you are taking kids from similar clubs to your own though, it does feel a bit weird.

Still, if I was being honest, I think I like the sound of him more than I do of having McLean as an option so in that sense it might be an improvement.

It is a wake up call though to just how far we have fallen with this relegation, anf shows that we aren't doing much scouting abroad this summer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: SirTonyM on July 23, 2018, 04:54:44 PM
Barnsley and Leicester forum say quick feet, direct and good end product.

Already sounds Better than Burke, leko& McClean

Agreed. Looks much better than McLean and thats who he is coming in to replace.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 23, 2018, 05:17:09 PM
love the mass hysteria when loans are announced.

"cheapskates, why aren't we buying him now" etc

And how many loanees have we had have turned out to the business and we should of bought them straight away?

Il wait...

Not sure there is mass hysteria but the overall quality of signings so far look cheap and safe.

 Let's sign players who add potential to us long term and not just a twelve month option.

Let's sign players like Bobby Reid who we can sell on, if needed.

We lose an Irish international for £6m and sign a 20 y.o. on loan.

Stoke have re-signed Allen on a new deal and have gone out and bought experience and power.

I am pleased we are bringing youth in and this kid looks good but it just strikes me we are all about saving money this year in case we do not go up. We should be investing to get up, players we can sell if we do not go up. More signings like Sam Johnstone tbf. Young, up and coming and has re-sale value.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: skyclad99 on July 23, 2018, 05:19:00 PM
I remember watching the Krychowiak youtube clips and salivating........

Clearly a talented lad and his parent club want him to have game time at a lower level. Watching his passing is similar to Krychowiaks accuracy actually, and we had no one on the end of those half the time either!!

I am all for taking talent like Harvey Barnes on though, got to be better than having our pants pulled down by an injury riddled 'has been'......
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: gerry m on July 23, 2018, 05:25:56 PM
Good luck Harvey and welcome to the Albion.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: baggiejohn on July 23, 2018, 05:29:23 PM
Good luck Harvey and welcome to the Albion.


Has he signed then?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: johnny Cash on July 23, 2018, 05:31:12 PM
His stats are very good albeit over a brief period.  Hopefully we have a sensible option to buy tied in if it works out.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: wba_1996 on July 23, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Good player, watched him for England U20's and followed his progress at Barnsley last season.

I hate loans though, if it works out and he has a good season Leicester just put a stupid price on him and we're stuck needing another replacement. Rather take a punt on Maddison or someone from abroad.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: WBArgo on July 23, 2018, 05:58:45 PM
Nothing wrong with a loan, I hope we bring in more - at this level the bigger the squad the better.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 23, 2018, 06:45:47 PM
Nothing wrong with a loan, I hope we bring in more - at this level the bigger the squad the better.

Loan signings such as Ben Watson and Steven Reid were key for us last promotion campaign. I fail to see people’s issue with us making such signings. Perhaps we were quoted £20m to sign him and baulked at the price or they refused to let him go unless it was a loan...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Adder on July 23, 2018, 06:54:44 PM
So he looks like someone who could play wide or could play as AM / No10....good to see an extra AM option if we are keeping Morrison and not bringing anyone else in.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: gerry m on July 23, 2018, 07:20:58 PM

Has he signed then?

 I thought it was done deal! My apologies if it is not.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: baggiejohn on July 23, 2018, 07:35:08 PM
I thought it was done deal! My apologies if it is not.

My understanding is, it's supposition based on the fact that he followed WBA on his twitter account & posted a cryptic tweet last night.
All of the so called reliable journo's are carrying the same "cut & paste" story word for word.

And             Matt Wilson from E & S said, this morning,that we were expecting to sign the mystery winger today.

Neither the E & S nor John Percy from the Telegraph have commented.

It might be Harvey Barnes, but at the moment it's circumstantial evidence.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Pie on July 23, 2018, 07:43:12 PM
I think it is a good move if he does sign, albeit on loan.

It's certainly an upgrade on McLean and his stats are impressive so far.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Baggies on July 23, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
The e and s have just confirmed he is coming and should be in tomorrow’s Barnsley squad.

Let’s hope he is ready to tear the division apart next season. Hopefully an upgrade on the hard working but limited McClean.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: mulliganstired on July 23, 2018, 07:53:31 PM
Be nice to have a Barnes back on the wing
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: skyclad99 on July 23, 2018, 08:22:30 PM
The e and s have just confirmed he is coming and should be in tomorrow’s Barnsley squad.

Let’s hope he is ready to tear the division apart next season. Hopefully an upgrade on the hard working but limited McClean.

Am I missing something here? He is in tomorrows Barnsley squad?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Baggies on July 23, 2018, 08:24:28 PM
Albion Barnsley friendly tomorrow
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: skyclad99 on July 23, 2018, 08:25:34 PM
Yes, penny dropped as soon as I walked away!

Given he was on loan to them...... its my age!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 23, 2018, 09:43:04 PM
If we can get Burke firing on all cylinders, having him and Barnes in the same side (assuming Darren would be brave enough to do that) would frighten the opposition to death. I'd rather it wasn't a loan, but the main requirements for a good loan signing are quality and attitude. It looks like Barnes may well have both of those so, if it's a season-long loan with no recall option, I think it's worth doing.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Standaman on July 23, 2018, 09:53:27 PM
Leicester have a ridiculously large squad for a team that doesn't have European football they have 3 left wingers Gray Albrighton and Diabete.  Unless and until they thin that out a bit there is little or no chance Barnes would get a look in so the loan makes sense. Longer term a lot will depend on what league we end up in and obviously how well he does.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Jeb-Dog on July 23, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
If he’s half as good as Giles Barnes we’re in for a treat.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: keithowba86 on July 24, 2018, 05:16:34 AM
If he’s half as good as Giles Barnes we’re in for a treat.

i think you mean twice  ;)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: baggie38 on July 24, 2018, 06:13:10 AM
If he’s half as good as Giles Barnes we’re in for a treat.

Let's hope he doesn't have the same level of problems with injuries as Giles did. I've had a quick look on YouTube at him and he looks a good solid player. I'd hope there's a view to a permanent in the agreement although I doubt it as Puel clearly rates him hence why he recalled him last season. I dont like the idea of simply loaning him to help a premier league club such as Leicester out and not having a long term plan. Alot has been made about how he is a winger but he can also play as a central attacking midfielder by all accounts. Maybe he is a alternative or back up to Morrison and isn't being signed simply to play as a winger. For what it's worth that's a area we have a few options in. I can't see him keeping Phillips or Burke out the side (I can see Burke being a key figure this year as he Is proven in the championship)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Halesowen12 on July 24, 2018, 01:34:39 PM
Sky Sports reporting Barnes has signed new 4 year deal with Leicester & will join us on loan for the season
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 24, 2018, 01:35:13 PM
He's just signed a new 4 year deal with Leicester ahead of his loan move to us.

https://www.lcfc.com/news/788367/barnes-pens-new-deal-ahead-of-west-brom-loan/press-release

Looks like this may well be a 1 season only move. I'm still very happy with this signing, perfect type of player to offer us some attacking options in midfield.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: don1thedon on July 24, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
Confirmed on LCFC site.
https://www.lcfc.com/news/788367/barnes-pens-new-deal-ahead-of-west-brom-loan/press-release
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: koren on July 24, 2018, 01:36:40 PM

Welcome Harvey :)
Hope he can bring some freshness and pace to the team.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 24, 2018, 01:38:33 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/july/albion-recruit-barnes/
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 24, 2018, 01:39:25 PM
Hope he can bring some freshness and pace to the team.
He certainly looks capable of doing both of those things so, if we get him for a full season without there being a recall option, he'll hopefully be able to contribute a lot.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes
Post by: Topman on July 24, 2018, 01:39:44 PM
Not sure what to make of this. Another sign of how far back we've come due to relaxation. No doubt that 5 million will vanish
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on July 24, 2018, 01:40:52 PM
Shame it's only a loan. Still, lots of water to flow under the bridge, lets see how things pan out. Glad to have the kid aboard.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: skyclad99 on July 24, 2018, 01:42:55 PM
Shame it's only a loan. Still, lots of water to flow under the bridge, lets see how things pan out. Glad to have the kid aboard.

Quite telling that he has just signed a four year deal before coming to us. In the unlikely event that he is available then it will certainly cost us [or whoever wants him].
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on July 24, 2018, 01:45:57 PM
Quite telling that he has just signed a four year deal before coming to us. In the unlikely event that he is available then it will certainly cost us [or whoever wants him].


Yep. Unless he's a disaster then we won't want him anyway. Smart move from Leicester. Unlikely to be anything more than a one season deal in all likelihood.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 24, 2018, 01:46:39 PM
got a touch of the sam field looks about him
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: KYA on July 24, 2018, 01:51:11 PM
Welcome, good player to had to the squad.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 01:55:13 PM
He's got a good record on his previous loans. A good and reasonably cheap addition to the squad. No complaints from me. We're unlikely to splash the cash majorly until we free some of it up in the form of Rondon or Chadli.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Albionic on July 24, 2018, 01:56:10 PM
change the hair and he does look like peter barnes
https://www.mediastorehouse.com/pa-images/sport-archive/football-teams-west-bromwich-albion-photocall/peter-barnes-west-bromwich-albion-4472073.html
https://www.wba.co.uk/siteassets/images/current-players/barnes/2018_07_24-barnes-signing.jpg/Large
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 24, 2018, 01:56:32 PM
Pleased with this signing, he seems like an exciting footballer which is what I like to see
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 01:57:41 PM
Nice and cheap just how Jenkins likes it. He will probably be on the bench most weeks.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 02:00:56 PM
Nice and cheap just how Jenkins likes it. He will probably be on the bench most weeks.

You seem pleased, 5 goals in 14 games last season in the Championship for a struggling Barnsley side. Not a bad option to have off the bench I don't think.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 02:01:59 PM
You seem pleased, 5 goals in 14 games last season in the Championship for a struggling Barnsley side. Not a bad option to have off the bench I don't think.

I'm not pleased in the slightest, WBA same old doing things on the cheap. No ambition at all.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 02:04:09 PM
I'm not pleased in the slightest, WBA same old doing things on the cheap. No ambition at all.

Whilst Chadli is still with us, effectively taking a squad place and keeping £17m from the coffers what did you expect us to do?

Edwards, Burke, Phillips, Barnes, Leko - with one/two more additions that's an exciting group of young attacking players.

Interested to hear how you would go about it?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 02:06:11 PM
Whilst Chadli is still with us, effectively taking a squad place and keeping £17m from the coffers what did you expect us to do?

Edwards, Burke, Phillips, Barnes, Leko - with one/two more additions that's an exciting group of young attacking players.

Interested to hear how you would go about it?

I just dont see the point in signing Barnes, we have enough youngsters at the club. Take a look at what Stoke are doing, building an experienced squad and not afraid to splash the cash regardless of who has been sold.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 02:07:28 PM
I just dont see the point in signing Barnes, we have enough youngsters at the club. Take a look at what Stoke are doing, building an experienced squad and not afraid to splash the cash regardless of who has been sold.

What if they're not that good? If Barnes is better it makes sense.

Stoke are bankrolled by the Coates family and are in no way comparable to ourselves.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on July 24, 2018, 02:09:55 PM
I just dont see the point in signing Barnes, we have enough youngsters at the club. Take a look at what Stoke are doing, building an experienced squad and not afraid to splash the cash regardless of who has been sold.
Stoke have spent 15 million on Ince and McClean  who are both crap . Id rather us than them.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 02:10:14 PM
What if they're not that good? If Barnes is better it makes sense.

Stoke are bankrolled by the Coates family and are in no way comparable to ourselves.

Big Dave did an interview a while back saying we have plenty of youngsters capable of playing first team football.
Yes we are stuck with a chinese Jeremy Peace who shows very little ambition or interest.
 
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 02:10:40 PM
Stoke have spent 15 million on Ince and McClean  who are both crap . Id rather us than them.

Actually i think Ince will be decent in the championship.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: skyclad99 on July 24, 2018, 02:14:03 PM
I just dont see the point in signing Barnes, we have enough youngsters at the club. Take a look at what Stoke are doing, building an experienced squad and not afraid to splash the cash regardless of who has been sold.

McClean, Ince and possibly Chester? Would you be happy with that because I know I wouldn't be......we invested in young talent last year in Burke, and many of the members on here have said what a waste of money he was [I didn't - I think he will be really good this year].

Here is a really promising talent who has done very well so far and wants to play for us, he will either leave us with great memories ala Lukaku, or be on the next bus back to Leicester. Either way, we are not having our pants pulled down and any money we do have can go towards future transfers for our anticipated return to the Premier.

Personally I am really looking forward to seeing him play............
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Westie on July 24, 2018, 02:15:35 PM
Stoke have spent 15 million on Ince and McClean  who are both crap . Id rather us than them.

I too, would rather be us than them, glad we’re not funded by online betting parasites.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 02:16:21 PM
McClean, Ince and possibly Chester? Would you be happy with that because I know I wouldn't be......we invested in young talent last year in Burke, and many of the members on here have said what a waste of money he was [I didn't - I think he will be really good this year].

Here is a really promising talent who has done very well so far and wants to play for us, he will either leave us with great memories ala Lukaku, or be on the next bus back to Leicester. Either way, we are not having our pants pulled down and any money we do have can go towards future transfers for our anticipated return to the Premier.

Personally I am really looking forward to seeing him play............

I'm just saying i'm not excited by signing a young player on loan when we have plenty of options in our own academy.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: CL3MO on July 24, 2018, 02:19:15 PM
We will all get behind him when he puts on the blue and white stripes but I can't help but feel disappointed and thoroughly underwhelmed with our lack of ambition or plan as a football club at the moment.

We're selling first team players and replacing them with loanees from mid table Premier League clubs who half the fan base do not know and have hardly played a game.

He's just signed a new contract so if he does well, he won't be coming back.

We're simply just a feeder club for teams like Leicester and that's hard to take.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 02:19:52 PM
We will all get behind him when he puts on the blue and white stripes but I can't help but feel disappointed and thoroughly underwhelmed with our lack of ambition or plan as a football club at the moment.

We're selling first team players and replacing them with loanees from mid table Premier League clubs who half the fan base do not know and have hardly played a game.

He's just signed a new contract so if he does well, he won't be coming back.

We're simply just a feeder club for teams like Leicester and that's hard to take.

100% agree!!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on July 24, 2018, 02:20:25 PM
I'm just saying i'm not excited by signing a young player on loan when we have plenty of options in our own academy.
He's better than the likes of Leko and Edwards.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Foster#1 on July 24, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
His interview is telling. Says Albion want to play his style of play.

Moore wanting to play pulis ball...Another myth put to bed
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: kanu on July 24, 2018, 02:22:33 PM
This is an awesome signing. He scores goals and he assists. He is quick, 2 footed and takes players ion and  shoots on sight. He is 10 times the player Maclean is, we’ve played a blinder here. He’s only on loan because he’ll be an England regular in years to come, Leicester know his potential. He scored 5 and assisted 7 in 16 starts on loan till January at Barnsley last year. He’s good for 8-10
goals from midfield plus assists galore. Well done the club, a master stroke by them.
On top of that there’ll be 4 more by the 9th august, and they’ll be quality too.
Stoke may have signed more at present but Maclean is one of them so that’s not going to improve them. Another is Ince for a whopping £12m and he only does it when he feels like it. It may seem like we’re dragging our heels but I’d rather we took our time and keep adding quality not just quantity.
Welcome Harvey...it’s going to great to be entertained at last and show real intent to win games.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: NathWBA on July 24, 2018, 02:29:08 PM
I'm just saying i'm not excited by signing a young player on loan when we have plenty of options in our own academy.
you originally complained about the club doing it on the cheap nothing about us having youngsters here already, would you prefer us to be like the villa and over spend and be in the situation they are, their investment now means nothing as they are still bound by FFP.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 24, 2018, 02:32:07 PM
Stoke have spent 15 million on Ince and McClean  who are both crap . Id rather us than them.
If they get their hands on Chester too then they'll have blown a lot of cash on players that are at the top end of the championship, but can't do it in the PL.  I'm pleased we are not really investing in many of these inbetween players.  I'd rather we signed potential and tried to turn them into PL players.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 02:35:26 PM
you originally complained about the club doing it on the cheap nothing about us having youngsters here already, would you prefer us to be like the villa and over spend and be in the situation they are, their investment now means nothing as they are still bound by FFP.

So you can't be ambitious because you may end up like Villa?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 24, 2018, 02:37:53 PM
Welcome Harvey.
 I hope the loan works out for us and him.
Have to say I know nothing about him. Reports from last season are good though. I'll look forward to hopefully seeing him play tonight.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on July 24, 2018, 02:41:22 PM
So you can't be ambitious because you may end up like Villa?

Bloody hell Aidan bet your fun at parties. If a potential youngster is available and he is better than our youngsters then I have no problem with getting them in.

I bet you weren’t moaning when we took a young striker from Chelsea a few seasons ago?

Stoke have only spent the money the received from Shaqiri. We’re doing exactly the same, replacing the player once he’s gone.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: CL3MO on July 24, 2018, 03:17:17 PM
Bloody hell Aidan bet your fun at parties. If a potential youngster is available and he is better than our youngsters then I have no problem with getting them in.

I bet you weren’t moaning when we took a young striker from Chelsea a few seasons ago?

Stoke have only spent the money the received from Shaqiri. We’re doing exactly the same, replacing the player once he’s gone.

Are you actually comparing signing Harvey Barnes to that of Romelu Lukaku on loan, when we were all staggered at him agreeing to come to us and who already had a big reputation within European football!?

Stoke are showing they mean business and are backing their manager. What are we doing exactly other than scrapping around for loans from average Premier League teams' youth squads and cast offs from other Championship teams (Bond, Simon Moore)?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 24, 2018, 03:23:22 PM
Are you actually comparing signing Harvey Barnes to that of Romelu Lukaku on loan, when we were all staggered at him agreeing to come to us and who already had a big reputation within European football!?

Stoke are showing they mean business and are backing their manager. What are we doing exactly other than scrapping around for loans from average Premier League teams' youth squads and cast offs from other Championship teams (Bond, Simon Moore)?

Well said.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 24, 2018, 03:24:23 PM
Are you actually comparing signing Harvey Barnes to that of Romelu Lukaku on loan, when we were all staggered at him agreeing to come to us and who already had a big reputation within European football!?

Stoke are showing they mean business and are backing their manager. What are we doing exactly other than scrapping around for loans from average Premier League teams' youth squads and cast offs from other Championship teams (Bond, Simon Moore)?


McClean, Ince and Afobe? Wouldn't get in our team based on our current squad.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: kie the baggie on July 24, 2018, 03:35:11 PM
The thing that annoys me with this signing is this is the sort of permanent signings we should be doing, this is the reason we stagnated like a b##ch the last few years, the only club this helps is leicester. Nothing against the player though, but a really frustrating loan move
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: SirTonyM on July 24, 2018, 03:37:19 PM
Are you actually comparing signing Harvey Barnes to that of Romelu Lukaku on loan, when we were all staggered at him agreeing to come to us and who already had a big reputation within European football!?

Stoke are showing they mean business and are backing their manager. What are we doing exactly other than scrapping around for loans from average Premier League teams' youth squads and cast offs from other Championship teams (Bond, Simon Moore)?

Bit selective...We signed Johnstone who most people rate highly and said he was the best keeper in the championship and Bartley who has excelled in the championship too. Is McLean better than Barnes (we will see but highly doubt it)
Who Have Stoke bought that they mean business? They got McLean from us (we robbed them), Ince for 10 Mill (is he better than Phillips?). Afobe is a good forward in the championship I will give you that.
They have spent a lot of money, how wisely time will tell.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: DaveWBA on July 24, 2018, 03:39:13 PM
Are you actually comparing signing Harvey Barnes to that of Romelu Lukaku on loan, when we were all staggered at him agreeing to come to us and who already had a big reputation within European football!?

Stoke are showing they mean business and are backing their manager. What are we doing exactly other than scrapping around for loans from average Premier League teams' youth squads and cast offs from other Championship teams (Bond, Simon Moore)?

Clutching at straws a bit to start going on about second choice keepers. Man United have signed Lee Grant this summer. The vast majority of your post means absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on July 24, 2018, 03:42:06 PM

McClean, Ince and Afobe? Wouldn't get in our team based on our current squad.

I’m justifying my point on signing youngsters on loan.

We sold McLean, 90% of the fans are happy we have done so, so that’s not a big improvement for stoke in my opinion. Tom Ince I’m not too keen on anyway, he won’t do anything more than what Phillips will do here. I wouldn’t take Adobe over Rondon or Rodriguez either.

If rondon/Rodriguez leave too we will look to replace them, with someone better than Adobe.

People laud stokes business but they haven’t signed anyone spectacular.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 24, 2018, 03:47:11 PM
Good signing.  Upgrade on McClean.  His record in a poor Barnsley side was impressive.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Albion79 on July 24, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
I am failing to see the downside here.

If Barnes turns out to be the player he can potentially be and helps us get promoted, then we all of a sudden come into a load of money again for being a premier league club and may have the option to buy him for a probably large fee.

If Leicester decide they want to keep him, then if we get promoted we have will have a whole new pool of other players to try and buy being a premier league club again, Leicester have very cleverly covered their backs by giving him a 4 year deal.

I would imagine that as he was playing well in the championship last season he is probably better than Leko and a couple of our other youngsters, i would assume some will now go out on loan, get some game time.

If we dont do go up and lose Barnes, this time next year we will have our players back from loan who after a year out playing reguarly (like Barnes has done last season or two) may be ready to step up to the first team, if they arent ready, some may be sold on, some may be loaned for another season.

If Barnes isnt upto it then he goes back to leicester, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

After spending £15m on Burke last summer, a signing who as it stands hasnt quite worked out yet (hopefully this season we will see more of him and the player we think he potentially can be) i can understand why we arent throwing £10m on unproven young players.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 24, 2018, 03:57:52 PM
His interview is telling. Says Albion want to play his style of play.

Moore wanting to play pulis ball...Another myth put to bed
New signings tend to say that kind of thing. Let's see how we actually play before people get too high and mighty about it either one way or the other.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: SirTonyM on July 24, 2018, 04:00:07 PM
I am failing to see the downside here.

If Barnes turns out to be the player he can potentially be and helps us get promoted, then we all of a sudden come into a load of money again for being a premier league club and may have the option to buy him for a probably large fee.

If Leicester decide they want to keep him, then if we get promoted we have will have a whole new pool of other players to try and buy being a premier league club again, Leicester have very cleverly covered their backs by giving him a 4 year deal.

I would imagine that as he was playing well in the championship last season he is probably better than Leko and a couple of our other youngsters, i would assume some will now go out on loan, get some game time.

If we dont do go up and lose Barnes, this time next year we will have our players back from loan who after a year out playing reguarly (like Barnes has done last season or two) may be ready to step up to the first team, if they arent ready, some may be sold on, some may be loaned for another season.

If Barnes isnt upto it then he goes back to leicester, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

After spending £15m on Burke last summer, a signing who as it stands hasnt quite worked out yet (hopefully this season we will see more of him and the player we think he potentially can be) i can understand why we arent throwing £10m on unproven young players.

100% agree. Good post
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Albionic on July 24, 2018, 04:00:55 PM
I'm just saying i'm not excited by signing a young player on loan when we have plenty of options in our own academy.

Sorry, but your not just saying......! you were referencing stoke buying McLean & Ince and looking at Chester, thats a totally different issue to using our kids.

I have been a strong advocate of using younger players and I am glad to see DM is moving in that direction, however we shouldn't lurch from the oldest squad to the youngest just for dogmatic reasons. We should keep a nucleus of experience, however (and here is the rub) whose experience we keep and who leaves is somewhat out of our hands at the moment, so the club has no choice than to be sensible, ie one out-one in. 

Once the clauses expire I expect a bit of a shock for some of the comfortable old guard.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 24, 2018, 04:02:13 PM
We’ve replaced a disliked non productive winger
5 goals in over 100 games
With a young exciting one with 5 in 14 games last season
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 24, 2018, 04:02:32 PM
The thing that annoys me with this signing is this is the sort of permanent signings we should be doing
I do agree with this, we really ought to be very near the top of the Championship pecking order when it comes to signing players.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: CL3MO on July 24, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
Clutching at straws a bit to start going on about second choice keepers. Man United have signed Lee Grant this summer. The vast majority of your post means absolutely nothing.

Not when you look at it in context when I was replying to the previous poster.

They mentioned that it is only a good thing if we are signing a better player, compared to our other younger ones. It just feels that we are only benefiting Leicester with this move. Maybe it is also to do with the fact that it is hard to stomach that we're now reliant on signing loan players from Leicester, a club we would see us on level par with not long ago. I suppose it's the reality of the situation.

The poster also mentioned that us fans weren't moaning when we signed a 'young striker from Chelsea' a few years ago. I merely commented that it is a totally different situation and signing. We aren't meant to feel the same about both signings surely?

The final part was merely comparing our signings to Stoke's. As a fan, and I'm not the only one, I feel underwhelmed with our transfer business and general direction heading towards the new season.

Back onto Harvey Barnes, he looks a potentially useful player for the long grueling Championship season. I would just hope that we have some signings that will inspire the fans and give us some optimism for the future.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on July 24, 2018, 04:45:05 PM
I think the loans thing bothers some people,I tend to think its similar to renting or owning a property,you have more control if you own it,don't you think?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: paulosull on July 24, 2018, 04:55:33 PM
I think the loans thing bothers some people,I tend to think its similar to renting or owning a property,you have more control if you own it,don't you think?
no it's not its that the club. Usually have been terrible at utilising loans or the loans themselves have been what's the word????? S***e
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: timdon on July 24, 2018, 05:04:06 PM
An exciting signing for me. This lad has pace and can score goals, and has a good assists record too. He was good last season and now, a year older and that bit more experienced, I'm expecting him to be even better. I would much rather him than some failed "star" who no longer has any ambition and plays at 75% whilst picking up a huge pay packet.
And on the Stoke comparison, I'm much happier with our signings than theirs, plus we had a better squad to start with
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: wbarenno on July 24, 2018, 05:29:02 PM
The thing that annoys me with this signing is this is the sort of permanent signings we should be doing, this is the reason we stagnated like a b##ch the last few years, the only club this helps is leicester. Nothing against the player though, but a really frustrating loan move

That’s were we are at as a club now though. Leicester have sent Barnes to us for him to gain experience, they have no intention of selling him he has just signed a new contract with them. We’re now seen as a club that can develop premier league clubs youngsters. Mighty fall from grace

But that’s we’re we are and Barnes sounds like an exciting signing
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggie82 on July 24, 2018, 06:01:12 PM
We’ve replaced a disliked non productive winger
5 goals in over 100 games
With a young exciting one with 5 in 14 games last season

Spot on. Clearly an upgrade and positive news. What's the position with Leicester being able to recall him, do they have option to?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mo on July 24, 2018, 06:13:46 PM
Whilst I’m all for the development of youngsters I just feel this signing will hide the money received from the McLean sale when really as supporters we should be seeing it reinvested .The  emphasis is to balance the books and make sure the accounts are profitable which will be to the detriment of the playing staff.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on July 24, 2018, 06:39:53 PM
Good move by the club. Getting a better player in without splashing cash. Means we have money to spend elsewhere on the squad. spending lots of money is not a guarantee for success. Just look back 12 months and remember!!! We blew sh*t loads last summer, even to the point we needed an overdraft to get through the season, and where exactly did it get us. I have no problem signing a league 2 player, IF he improves our squad.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Standaman on July 25, 2018, 05:00:23 AM
He is an improvement on McClean. He is left footed so he does not add to the stockpile of right footed wide players so he isn't blocking anyone. Would I prefer to buy him? Probably but then again Leicester didn't want or need to sell so a fee of say £15m on an as yet unproven youngster maybe not. 
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: elminius on July 25, 2018, 06:48:28 AM
He is an improvement on McClean. He is left footed so he does not add to the stockpile of right footed wide players so he isn't blocking anyone. Would I prefer to buy him? Probably but then again Leicester didn't want or need to sell so a fee of say £15m on an as yet unproven youngster maybe not.

Pity we didnt do that with Burke then! Or is the club back in charge now rather than the manager?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: DaveWBA on July 25, 2018, 08:37:40 AM
Not when you look at it in context when I was replying to the previous poster.

They mentioned that it is only a good thing if we are signing a better player, compared to our other younger ones. It just feels that we are only benefiting Leicester with this move. Maybe it is also to do with the fact that it is hard to stomach that we're now reliant on signing loan players from Leicester, a club we would see us on level par with not long ago. I suppose it's the reality of the situation.

The poster also mentioned that us fans weren't moaning when we signed a 'young striker from Chelsea' a few years ago. I merely commented that it is a totally different situation and signing. We aren't meant to feel the same about both signings surely?

The final part was merely comparing our signings to Stoke's. As a fan, and I'm not the only one, I feel underwhelmed with our transfer business and general direction heading towards the new season.

Back onto Harvey Barnes, he looks a potentially useful player for the long grueling Championship season. I would just hope that we have some signings that will inspire the fans and give us some optimism for the future.

Well considering we got ourselves relegated there's nothing we can do about nurturing Leicester's talent for them, it's our fault and we'll have to deal with it.

If Barnes contributes in a team that are promoted then we're back where we started from and will have greater funds with which to secure ourselves a permanent replacement. As a replacement for McClean, he's younger, has a better goalscoring record and we've made the best part of £5m profit.

You're also forgetting we still have the likes of Chadli, Dawson and Rondon - who now they're involved in pre-season cannot be written off. The plan is obviously to hold onto these players, hence why the clauses run out before the end of the window. If these players stay, they're better than any business Stoke or Swansea or whoever else in the Championship has done so far this summer.

Keeping hold of these players also means we probably wont be seeing any big money signings coming in and to me it seems we're trying to build a strong group of young attacking players, something we've been needing for years. Relax.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: telford baggie on July 25, 2018, 08:59:19 AM
Good move by the club. Getting a better player in without splashing cash. Means we have money to spend elsewhere on the squad. spending lots of money is not a guarantee for success. Just look back 12 months and remember!!! We blew sh*t loads last summer, even to the point we needed an overdraft to get through the season, and where exactly did it get us. I have no problem signing a league 2 player, IF he improves our squad.
its all bout profit now sell players snd pocket the money. yeah lets look back 12 months and the same rubbish players that got us relegated but all of a sudden they are world beaters again becsuse of a 6 game season snd people are desperate to keep.until players like nyom,brunt,barry and kanu are out the team we may aswell enjoy life back as a mid table club cause that is what we are
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: DaveWBA on July 25, 2018, 09:05:33 AM
its all bout profit now sell players snd pocket the money. yeah lets look back 12 months and the same rubbish players that got us relegated but all of a sudden they are world beaters again becsuse of a 6 game season snd people are desperate to keep.until players like nyom,brunt,barry and kanu are out the team we may aswell enjoy life back as a mid table club cause that is what we are

Half of the players you mention wont be in the team regularly. Of the other two, one is club captain (probably) and the other may yet be replaced. You also fail to mention that we've still got Rondon, Chadli, Dawson, Hegazi on the books. All of whom would walk into any side in this league, should they leave they will give us enough time and money to replace them more than adequately. Go for a walk pal, it's lovely outside.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: charlebaggie on July 25, 2018, 10:17:18 AM
its all bout profit now sell players snd pocket the money. yeah lets look back 12 months and the same rubbish players that got us relegated but all of a sudden they are world beaters again becsuse of a 6 game season snd people are desperate to keep.until players like nyom,brunt,barry and kanu are out the team we may aswell enjoy life back as a mid table club cause that is what we are
.   Got rid some of the players that got us relegated . Cut wages , made a profit, and replaced them with young,hungrier players .Its called shrewd business.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: mulliganstired on July 25, 2018, 10:21:32 AM
its all bout profit now sell players snd pocket the money. yeah lets look back 12 months and the same rubbish players that got us relegated but all of a sudden they are world beaters again becsuse of a 6 game season snd people are desperate to keep.until players like nyom,brunt,barry and kanu are out the team we may aswell enjoy life back as a mid table club cause that is what we are
Can you see anyone coming in for Barry, Nyom or Kanu, I can't so, we're stuck with them on contract.  I quite like Nyom, at least he has a go, and you never know, Barry might have a conscience and decide he doesn't want to end his career on a whimper and actually really give it a go.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 25, 2018, 01:20:08 PM
He is an improvement on McClean. He is left footed so he does not add to the stockpile of right footed wide players so he isn't blocking anyone.
Are you sure he's left-footed? I watched the Youtube video that was posted at the beginning of this thread and the vast majority of what he did was with his right foot.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 25, 2018, 01:29:31 PM
Are you sure he's left-footed? I watched the Youtube video that was posted at the beginning of this thread and the vast majority of what he did was with his right foot.

According to Transfer Markt he is right footed and in all the photos I've seen of him shooting he is using his right foot.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harvey-barnes/profil/spieler/398065
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 25, 2018, 01:40:23 PM
Some of the best left wingers to have played the game have been right footed. Especially in modern day football.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: CL3MO on July 25, 2018, 03:44:46 PM
Well considering we got ourselves relegated there's nothing we can do about nurturing Leicester's talent for them, it's our fault and we'll have to deal with it.

If Barnes contributes in a team that are promoted then we're back where we started from and will have greater funds with which to secure ourselves a permanent replacement. As a replacement for McClean, he's younger, has a better goalscoring record and we've made the best part of £5m profit.

You're also forgetting we still have the likes of Chadli, Dawson and Rondon - who now they're involved in pre-season cannot be written off. The plan is obviously to hold onto these players, hence why the clauses run out before the end of the window. If these players stay, they're better than any business Stoke or Swansea or whoever else in the Championship has done so far this summer.

Keeping hold of these players also means we probably wont be seeing any big money signings coming in and to me it seems we're trying to build a strong group of young attacking players, something we've been needing for years. Relax.

I’d like to think we’re doing that but no signing at the moment points to that. Barnes is a loan (short term thinking) so will go straight back to Leicester and the rest of our attacking midfielders/strikers are all late 20s or in their 30s. You’d hope Burke can force his way into that this season but I’m not sure Moore trusts him.

Barnes did look lively last night in spells and he clearly has the potential to do the business.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Standaman on July 25, 2018, 07:40:32 PM
According to Transfer Markt he is right footed and in all the photos I've seen of him shooting he is using his right foot.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harvey-barnes/profil/spieler/398065


My bad saw that he was described as a left winger and assumed he was left footed. Not so sure about the wisdom of this move as I start to wonder about the tactical fit. More than happy with him being a right footed left winger in a 4-4-1-1 but if this isn't balanced by a left footed right winger then the team's shape starts to become skewed to the right.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on July 25, 2018, 09:29:44 PM
Is the fact he's seen as a direct replacement for McLean maybe a bit misleading ? From his YouTube clips he looks capable of playing on either side plus the way he seems to spot others and link up he looks suited to an AM/No 10 type role.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 25, 2018, 09:33:49 PM
Not so sure about the wisdom of this move as I start to wonder about the tactical fit. More than happy with him being a right footed left winger in a 4-4-1-1 but if this isn't balanced by a left footed right winger then the team's shape starts to become skewed to the right.
We've played wingers on the "wrong" side a lot in recent years, even the paceless Brunt has been played on the right. The Youtube video shows Barnes playing on both wings and, watching how he plays, I'm sure he can be more effective than many of our wide players of late.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Baggies on July 28, 2018, 06:15:37 PM
What I found interesting about Barnes today is that he did not seem to be a speed merchant who uses his oace to get on the outside of a full back. Instead, he seems more of a foot on the ball wide man who likes to come inside and get a shot off, or to work with the players around him to create and crsft changes.

He did have a go at the full back a few times, but there seemed to be a bit of variety about his play which was impressive.

He will give defenders something a little different to think about this season and give a different option to Burke or Phillips.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on July 28, 2018, 06:21:46 PM
What I found interesting about Barnes today is that he did not seem to be a speed merchant who uses his oace to get on the outside of a full back. Instead, he seems more of a foot on the ball wide man who likes to come inside and get a shot off, or to work with the players around him to create and crsft changes.

He did have a go at the full back a few times, but there seemed to be a bit of variety about his play which was impressive.

He will give defenders something a little different to think about this season and give a different option to Burke or Phillips.
Yes noticed that in his YouTube clips, seems to look and is very aware of players in space or making runs (tad different to McLean)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on July 28, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
You could see in the first five minutes he's a class above McClean. He's intelligent for a young kid, mixes his game up and has that quality about him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggie96 on July 28, 2018, 06:31:14 PM
Looked brilliant, will do very well for us. Seemed to link up with robson Kanu very well! :o
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: CL3MO on July 28, 2018, 08:06:49 PM
Seemed to set us up to be on the front foot today which was pleasing. Bolton look like they will set up shop and sit deep, so it was good to see us try and keep the ball and play intricate one twos (Barnes, Morrison and HRK in particular).

I really hope we can take this positive style of play into the season and get some early wins under our belt.

Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on July 29, 2018, 12:38:50 AM
He comes from Leicester, his name is Harvey Barnesh and when he does his thing the crowd go bananash...(John Barnes - Anfield Rap...for those old enough to remember... :o)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Foster#1 on August 18, 2018, 05:32:56 PM
BEst talent on loan since lukaku.

Waste of a loan deal..should of have gave our kids ago
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 18, 2018, 05:43:05 PM
If we get some money in for chadli we should be making an offer to Leicester for this lad to make it permenant
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WBArgo on August 18, 2018, 05:52:36 PM
Utter class again today, hopefully Leicester do well as we would suffer without him. At hand in the first 3/4 goals if I remember correctly and bossed it.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 18, 2018, 06:00:08 PM
If we get some money in for chadli we should be making an offer to Leicester for this lad to make it permenant

No harm in trying, but they'd be mad to take it. He signed a new Contract just before coming to us
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: SirTonyM on August 18, 2018, 06:06:48 PM
I hope James Maddison has a brilliant season for Leicester ;) If we go up and Barnes enjoys his time here maybe we could tempt him. Early days but he is the kind of player we have been crying out for (especially if Chadli doesn't come back).
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggie96 on August 18, 2018, 06:07:49 PM
Reminds me of Morrison last time we were in the champ. Could be his long term successor if we can tempt him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 18, 2018, 06:08:50 PM
Oozes class and confidence. Signing of the window. He could be the difference between going up and staying where we are. He just has that ability to creat something out of nothing. 9/10 for me today and I don't say that lightly.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: AlbionFan on August 18, 2018, 06:11:46 PM
Utter class again today, hopefully Leicester do well as we would suffer without him. At hand in the first 3/4 goals if I remember correctly and bossed it.

Spot on post. He has time on the ball and uses it intelligently, which are signatures of a class act
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 18, 2018, 06:12:04 PM
You are watching a young player blossom. He will be championship player of the season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheBrom on August 18, 2018, 06:39:42 PM
Bit of a talent this kid is. Involved in everything good for us this season, unfortunately doubt we’ll be able to sign him permanently after this season
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Bilston Dan on August 18, 2018, 06:41:10 PM
It's the Lukaku effect, we have to enjoy it now while it lasts because he won't be here forever, and we all know that.

P.S. if we got promoted I'd to see him join but Leicester have big things ready for this talented young man.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: CL3MO on August 18, 2018, 07:13:00 PM
Shades of a certain Jason Koumas about his performance today.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Standaman on August 18, 2018, 07:19:23 PM
We are fortunate that Leicester are heavily invested in 2 players (Maddison and Gray) in positions which Barnes would be challenging so if promoted there might be a deal to be done but that is way off just enjoy this young talent while he is here.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 18, 2018, 07:33:33 PM
He is a class act. No other words to describe him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 18, 2018, 07:34:42 PM
Wonderful talent, that is all
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: keithowba86 on August 18, 2018, 07:35:34 PM
better than koumas! the kid is 20, only going to improve... has 2 things key that koumas hadnt got!

he runs and doesnt stop for the cause of the team

and he hasnt got a stinking attitude!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on August 18, 2018, 07:44:43 PM
Does he have a buy out clause?
Is it possible to bid for him whilst the window is still open and while he's on loan to us?
Can't think that this situation has happened before or has it?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: KYA on August 18, 2018, 08:18:59 PM
a class act no doubt those who were wondering why we signed him and played him ahead of some academy players now have the answer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on August 18, 2018, 09:01:59 PM
Seems to enjoy assists as much as he does scoring. The type of clever link player we missed so much last year and he's a major threat in his own right.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: geoff on August 18, 2018, 11:03:20 PM
Shades of a certain Jason Koumas about his performance today.

" The Welsh Wizard"
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 19, 2018, 01:46:12 AM
better than koumas! the kid is 20, only going to improve... has 2 things key that koumas hadnt got!

he runs and doesnt stop for the cause of the team

and he hasnt got a stinking attitude!
I think I’m right in saying that Koumas didn’t enjoy being a footballer. It was just a living to him. This lad, however, seems to enjoy the game, and has the natural talent needed to go far. Fingers crossed that it gives us a season to remember. The future will sort itself out.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: ashdoy on August 19, 2018, 07:30:52 AM
better than koumas! the kid is 20, only going to improve... has 2 things key that koumas hadnt got!

he runs and doesnt stop for the cause of the team

and he hasnt got a stinking attitude!

No brainier in terms of who’s better but Barnes did show yesterday he could be as influential. It’s been years since we had that type of midfielder at the Albion and hopefully we’ll see much more
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: The Joust on August 19, 2018, 07:43:48 AM
What a talent. Never seems to get tired. Reminds me of Koumas, that James Madison. Shame he won’t be here next season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: NathWBA on August 19, 2018, 09:43:52 AM
It’s just a shame we never had a permanent option on him, looks like he’s going to be a class act.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 19, 2018, 10:23:14 AM
It’s just a shame we never had a permanent option on him, looks like he’s going to be a class act.

Don't think they were prepared to, didn't he sign a new deal with them before he came out on loan ?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Dexy on August 19, 2018, 10:24:17 AM
Don't think they were prepared to, didn't he sign a new deal with them before he came out on loan ?
Yes , signed a new one before joining us
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggie82 on August 19, 2018, 03:35:08 PM
Barnes & Gayle are the big difference up top. Phillips & J-Rod enjoying playing with them. Yesterday was ideal as QPR were a shambles and left loads of space to exploit.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 19, 2018, 04:35:41 PM
If we get promoted, we need to ask Leicester to name their price for him. This is the kind of player we should be investing in - hopefully we'll have a few of our own coming through too.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on August 19, 2018, 06:33:28 PM
Find it bizarre that Leicester let him go out on loan and spent 25million on Maddison.

From what I’ve seen of Maddison last year and Barnes so far, he certainly wouldn’t have looked out of place in the Leicester team.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on August 19, 2018, 07:49:59 PM
I saw Madison interviewed last night,he seems to have a Bob on him,a bit of a know-all he came across to me,his goal celebration to the fans was a bit Ott,Barnes is not quite so ,which I prefer personally.
If we get promoted,I wonder if he has a clause in his contract and how much,if he has or hasn't and he's happy with us and does well this season,buy him say I.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggie96 on September 01, 2018, 09:24:00 PM
This guy will play for England, absolutely brilliant. If we go up we have a chance of signing him, if not then no chance. Can’t believe Leicester signed Maddison for 25 mill when they’ve got Barnes on their books!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on September 01, 2018, 09:25:43 PM
Would LOVE it if we were able to sign him but think the chances are slim to none. Only possible way would be if we went up and Harvey kicked up a fuss to come here permanently.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2018, 09:36:58 PM
This guy will play for England, absolutely brilliant. If we go up we have a chance of signing him, if not then no chance. Can’t believe Leicester signed Maddison for 25 mill when they’ve got Barnes on their books!



Here's hoping he has a great season for them & we get promoted. ;) :D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on September 01, 2018, 09:39:57 PM
Wonderland player Harvey Barnes. Kid can go right to the top.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 01, 2018, 09:44:22 PM
Would LOVE it if we were able to sign him but think the chances are slim to none. Only possible way would be if we went up and Harvey kicked up a fuss to come here permanently.

Would we spend £25m on a Championship Player? No is your answer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Oldbury24 on September 02, 2018, 10:40:08 AM
This guy will play for England, absolutely brilliant. If we go up we have a chance of signing him, if not then no chance. Can’t believe Leicester signed Maddison for 25 mill when they’ve got Barnes on their books!

It's difficult to know how good he can be whist he is still playing in this division, and there is no way Leicester will consider selling him.  What I do know is that I've seen fewer sites more exciting at the Baggies than Harvey Barnes turning on the half way and running full tilt at defenders.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on September 02, 2018, 11:41:22 AM
But if we were promoted?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on September 02, 2018, 11:47:14 AM
Lets worry about it at the end of the season no point fretting about things we can't affect at the moment. For now he's ours lets just enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Dexy on September 02, 2018, 11:58:42 AM
Believe it or not he's not that highly rated by City ST holders I know , had games and not really shown enough at this point they tell me . Well behind others in the wide positions .  ::)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: kie the baggie on September 02, 2018, 01:02:14 PM
the 15 mill that we were to spend on bojan or dack, I would throw at barnes
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: barnestormer on September 02, 2018, 01:27:12 PM
the 15 mill that we were to spend on bojan or dack, I would throw at barnes
Agreed but to stand even a slim chance of retaining him on a permanent we first need to get back in the prem
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Dudleylad on September 02, 2018, 01:31:23 PM
Believe it or not he's not that highly rated by City ST holders I know , had games and not really shown enough at this point they tell me . Well behind others in the wide positions .  ::)

Its why I retain some hope of Leicester making some sort of giant ball drop and sell him to us.

Leicester have lost Mahraz and have still decided to let Barnes go putting more faith in Gray etc.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: johnny Cash on September 02, 2018, 01:48:55 PM
I don’t think a player has excited more since Koumas, but it’s a big step up and plenty don’t make it. Dorran’s is a good example. So is Philllips to a degree, who looks great at this level but is very inconsistent in the premiership and is managed by better defenders.  To do what Barnes does in the top division you need to be so much better than you do in the championship, and if he can do it at that level he’s a £40m player.

We should offer £15m for Barnes in a heartbeat. Will get better and better and with the market always increasing it wouldn’t be a risk even if his level was top end of the championship.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 02, 2018, 02:48:08 PM
He suits our style. Simples !
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2018, 06:29:19 PM
He's been like a breath of fresh air so far. Not been so excited every time I see a player on the ball since Koumas was running the show here. I do have my doubts about how he would perform at the top level against much better opposition but I don't really care about that just the here and now. Highly unlikely Leicester will want to be losing him so just enjoy his performances while he's here.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: elkiellis on September 02, 2018, 10:13:28 PM
Can Leicester recall him in January ?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheBrom on September 03, 2018, 07:33:12 PM
Can Leicester recall him in January ?

Says season long loan on the official site so I doubt they can.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Baggies on September 04, 2018, 08:18:44 AM
I'd be surprised if Barnes does have a recall clause. They did that last year when he was at Barnsley then didn't use him. It's more likely we have him for 12 months and our loan fee will be a substantial one.

Barnes is unlucky not to be involved in the under 21's this time around. In the end, the wealth of attacking options we have behind the striker has blocked him, with Gray, Lookman, Sessegnon, Mount and Maddison all options on the wing and behind a striker. I think he should be ahead of Kieran Dowell though, with him being an unused sub for Everton so far this season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: divinewind on September 04, 2018, 09:05:48 AM
The difference between the Premier league and the Championship is huge.
Gayle is the best striker at this level but Newcastle think Rondon is better in the Premier. As said our immediate aim must be to get back up, and then assess our squad.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on September 04, 2018, 10:02:56 AM
The difference between the Premier league and the Championship is huge.
Gayle is the best striker at this level but Newcastle think Rondon is better in the Premier. As said our immediate aim must be to get back up, and then assess our squad.

Yet if you ask majority of our fans, we would probably believe we may still be in the premier league if we had Gayle last season.

Barnes is a real talent, I think the fact Leicester have tied him down to a big contract before loaning him out means he wont be leaving anytime soon (unless of course we got promoted and Harvey kicked up a fuss to leave).

Leicester have some exciting attacking options, Gray, Barnes, Maddison all at a young age.

Just enjoy him whilst we have him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: skyclad99 on September 04, 2018, 11:07:29 AM
Believe it or not he's not that highly rated by City ST holders I know , had games and not really shown enough at this point they tell me . Well behind others in the wide positions .  ::)

Yes, the lad is rubbish... tell you what, we will take him off your hands if we must.......:)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: KN22 on September 04, 2018, 01:05:37 PM
Fully agree that he is one of the most exciting players seen at our place in many a year and the Koumas comparisons are interesting.

I believe Leicester have dropped a brick in letting us have him, even temporarily. I see that Albrighton still makes their first team for example. I know which one I would rather pick! We are only seeing him in the championship of course but I see no reason why he will not become a major force at premier level within 2 years or so.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on September 04, 2018, 01:11:49 PM
Fully agree that he is one of the most exciting players seen at our place in many a year and the Koumas comparisons are interesting.

I believe Leicester have dropped a brick in letting us have him, even temporarily. I see that Albrighton still makes their first team for example. I know which one I would rather pick! We are only seeing him in the championship of course but I see no reason why he will not become a major force at premier level within 2 years or so.


Barnes is better than Albrighton 7 days a week, no doubt whatsoever in my mind. IF he goes back to Leicester Barnes will be in their first team next season. It's just that youth thing again, clubs are far too unwilling to blood them. Look at Spurs if Sherwood hadn't gone out on a limb with Harry Kane he'd have probably faded away. 90% of head coaches wouldn't have taken the chance that Sherwood did.

We're in the same position with Sam Field.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: SmethDan on September 04, 2018, 01:12:11 PM
Fully agree that he is one of the most exciting players seen at our place in many a year and the Koumas comparisons are interesting.

I believe Leicester have dropped a brick in letting us have him, even temporarily. I see that Albrighton still makes their first team for example. I know which one I would rather pick! We are only seeing him in the championship of course but I see no reason why he will not become a major force at premier level within 2 years or so.

The second piece of bold text explains the first perhaps?

As in they don't think he's ready yet, be that for their first team or when he's developed his game enough to attract top dollar.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggie53 on September 06, 2018, 05:08:06 PM

Barnes is better than Albrighton 7 days a week, no doubt whatsoever in my mind. IF he goes back to Leicester Barnes will be in their first team next season. It's just that youth thing again, clubs are far too unwilling to blood them. Look at Spurs if Sherwood hadn't gone out on a limb with Harry Kane he'd have probably faded away. 90% of head coaches wouldn't have taken the chance that Sherwood did.

We're in the same position with Sam Field.

Except Sam Field is nowhere near the prospect Harry Kane was at the same age
I really don't get the Sam Field hype
Yes he's  a decent kid, but if he played for anyone else, would anybody seriously be clammerring to sign him?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WBArgo on September 07, 2018, 08:11:49 AM

Barnes is better than Albrighton 7 days a week, no doubt whatsoever in my mind. IF he goes back to Leicester Barnes will be in their first team next season. It's just that youth thing again, clubs are far too unwilling to blood them. Look at Spurs if Sherwood hadn't gone out on a limb with Harry Kane he'd have probably faded away. 90% of head coaches wouldn't have taken the chance that Sherwood did.

We're in the same position with Sam Field.

It's easy to say players are great in the Championship, the reality is that the Premier League is a different beast in terms of defending. Off the top of my head, Dorrans, Koumas, Kightly, Kamara, Taraabt et al all looked like stars in the Championship but were very ordinary in the Premier League.
Sometimes it just doesn't work - until Barnes has done it in the Premier League, then we can judge.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: seteefeet on September 07, 2018, 10:01:54 AM
Except Sam Field is nowhere near the prospect Harry Kane was at the same age
I really don't get the Sam Field hype
Yes he's  a decent kid, but if he played for anyone else, would anybody seriously be clammerring to sign him?
Sorry to say but i have to agree. I've been as keen as anyone to see Sam in the starting line up but I think it's time to accept that he just isn't all that. 3 managers have now overlooked him, in favour of various other options, and, as incompetent as 2 of them were, they can't all be missing the same thing.
Barnes is proof that, if you are good enough, Darren will pick you regardless of age, so it tells me that he is head and shoulders above our kids.
It's very romantic to think of homegrown kids coming through but it's rare even at this lower level. That being said, I still think the likes of Field, Burke, Harper, Edwards and Leko have a part to play in what will be a very long season and, when they get the chance, through injuries / suspensions, it is up to them to throw their cock and balls at it and make it impossible to drop them.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: SmethDan on September 07, 2018, 10:29:56 AM
Can Leicester recall him in January?

If the report linked below is anything to go by then there is an option for them to do so.

"Barnes has got a strong support network around him in his father and well-respected representatives.You’d hope for Albion’s sake that they would see sense to stay at The Hawthorns for the remainder of the season, even if Leicester considered activating the option they have to recall him in January".

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-harvey-barnes-15120996

He was on a supposed season long loan while at Barnsley........

https://www.lcfc.com/news/448063/barnes-joins-barnsley-in-seasonlong-loan/press-release

........ but it didn't stop Leicester recalling him in January.......

https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2018/january/barnes-leicester/

........ even though he barely featured for them on his return, amassing two FA Cup appearances......

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harvey-barnes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/398065/plus/0/saison/2017/wettbewerb/FAC/verein/1003

and a further eight minutes in the Prem'......

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harvey-barnes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/398065/plus/0/saison/2017/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/1003
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggiejohn on September 07, 2018, 10:54:20 AM
If the report linked below is anything to go by then there is an option for them to do so.

"Barnes has got a strong support network around him in his father and well-respected representatives.You’d hope for Albion’s sake that they would see sense to stay at The Hawthorns for the remainder of the season, even if Leicester considered activating the option they have to recall him in January".

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-bromwich-albion-harvey-barnes-15120996

He was on a supposed season long loan while at Barnsley........

https://www.lcfc.com/news/448063/barnes-joins-barnsley-in-seasonlong-loan/press-release

........ but it didn't stop Leicester recalling him in January.......

https://www.barnsleyfc.co.uk/news/2018/january/barnes-leicester/

........ even though he barely featured for them on his return, amassing two FA Cup appearances......

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harvey-barnes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/398065/plus/0/saison/2017/wettbewerb/FAC/verein/1003

and a further eight minutes in the Prem'......

https://www.transfermarkt.com/harvey-barnes/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/398065/plus/0/saison/2017/wettbewerb/GB1/verein/1003


Matt Wison reported the same interview & there's no mention of a recall clause in his article.

Paul Stuart is normally accurate in the Evening Mail, but comments from the rest, I tend to take with a pinch of salt.

Certainly from the Matt Wilson's article, HB sees his future at Leicester, so I think we will have to make the most of him while he's here.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2018, 01:19:52 PM
It's easy to say players are great in the Championship, the reality is that the Premier League is a different beast in terms of defending. Off the top of my head, Dorrans, Koumas, Kightly, Kamara, Taraabt et al all looked like stars in the Championship but were very ordinary in the Premier League.
Sometimes it just doesn't work - until Barnes has done it in the Premier League, then we can judge.


Aside from Koumas I agree. Easily good enough just lacked application. The others were found wanting technically and or physically.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: paulosull on September 08, 2018, 12:57:02 PM
Should try and get him on a permanent in January as his valuation will only sky rocket.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 08, 2018, 01:27:27 PM
Should try and get him on a permanent in January as his valuation will only sky rocket.


Don't believe either Leicester or Barnes would be remotely interested in a permanent move.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Foster#1 on September 09, 2018, 01:10:16 AM
Only chance of a permanent deal would Be in the summer & only if we get promoted.

Few weeks ago people was up in arms regarding this signing saying why not give out kids a chance & now want to spend 15m on him. Pisser
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Standaman on September 09, 2018, 08:17:26 AM
The central problem with loanees if they do well fans want to sign them permanently but the fact they are doing well makes it less likely that we will be able to sign them. The whole Lukkau thing where our fans are like lovelorn teenagers still five years on. Look between the ambition of the player, his wages and the financial demands of his parent club it was never going to happen no matter how close we were to signing him on loan for a second season.

Ultimately unless we get promoted we have zero chance of signing Barnes. Even if we get promoted the price tag will be huge and he has a long term emotional commitment to Leicester. The only way it happens is if he has little or no chance of first team football at Leicester (Maddison and Grey being the most obvious blockers ) then he has a choice to make. From his perspective another loan spell in the Championship gives him very little and with an ex-professional as a father he will know that opportunities in football can be fleeting so maybe just maybe but it is far from certain.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2018, 10:15:58 AM
Agreed there's next to no chance of him being with us this time next year whichever division we are in. Hopefully we are already scouting a few players who could be in the frame to replace him as best we can.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on September 09, 2018, 10:36:37 AM
Unless he puts in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2018, 12:03:48 PM
Unless he puts in a transfer request.
If you've read or seen any of his recent interview where he talks of being Leicester through and through, that is very very unlikely the way things stand - strange things happen but it's highly unlikely that would happen in the next 1 - 2 years.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Topman on September 09, 2018, 12:07:17 PM
Agreed there's next to no chance of him being with us this time next year whichever division we are in. Hopefully we are already scouting a few players who could be in the frame to replace him as best we can.






I thought there was no way George Thorne would leave us for derby considering we then were Prem. If we get up and there are players ahead of him I woulnt be shocked if he came on loan again to us, to see how he gets on at that level
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2018, 12:15:55 PM





I thought there was no way George Thorne would leave us for derby considering we then were Prem. If we get up and there are players ahead of him I woulnt be shocked if he came on loan again to us, to see how he gets on at that level
The additional loan could be a possibility yes. As for Thorne, I know what you mean but he wasn't a local lad and came to our academy aged 12 or 13 when the Cambridge Youth system closed (think Ashworth who came from Cambridge had a lot to do with that). Yes you could class Thorne as a product of our academy as he obviously spent several years as part of it but he didn't have that born and bred/ lifelong fan connection.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggies_24 on September 09, 2018, 12:16:00 PM





I thought there was no way George Thorne would leave us for derby considering we then were Prem. If we get up and there are players ahead of him I woulnt be shocked if he came on loan again to us, to see how he gets on at that level


To be fair if Demari Gray carries on his early season form then the big boys will start sniffing around, very good player that has the potential to play at the very top so there could be a space at Leicester for Barnes come next season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 09, 2018, 12:18:03 PM
Sorry to be so practical but

Those saying he has stated comitment to Leicester .....see foster
Is there a chance to sign him?.....of course , if we go up and
We offer way more than them in wages
We offer more than market value (in Leicesters eyes)
We offer market value and they know he won't have much game time

Pretty much the same as most players , there are of course levels where UEFA league/champs league kicks in ...sometimes location for family etc but on Barnes I think it'll come down to playing time and wages

We might be well advised to get promoted first before worrying too much about ifs and maybes ?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on September 09, 2018, 12:44:43 PM
We have to discuss something in the international break  ;)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on September 09, 2018, 01:14:58 PM
Yes he's always been at Leicester etc,but know he might be seeing another clubs approach for the game,he may have been a little blinkered at being at one club? Does that always guarantee that a player would absolutely stay at Leicester? I don't think so personally perhaps he might be interested in spreading his wings seeing how others do things.
People do move around does he really want to stay in a place where he's been for years?
We shall see.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 09, 2018, 01:32:17 PM
If he continues in his form, he'll command at least a £25m fee next summer and that's IF Leicester are willing to let him go and if none of the big boys want him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on September 09, 2018, 01:35:18 PM
If we got promoted we would pay it wouldn't we?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on September 09, 2018, 01:38:09 PM
Incidentally, why wasn't he picked for the under 21's is it because were in the championship?
Or not quite good enough yet?
I would have thought he'd at least get into the squad.
Has he played for England at other levels yet?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Baggies on September 10, 2018, 12:02:23 AM
Incidentally, why wasn't he picked for the under 21's is it because were in the championship?
Or not quite good enough yet?
I would have thought he'd at least get into the squad.
Has he played for England at other levels yet?

Has played at England youth levels and was called up to the under 21s this summer, albeit in a very young Under 21 tournament side that was probably more under 20 level.

I think the reason for him failing to get a call uo was the amount of talent blocking his path - Gray, Lookman and Maddison all highly rated, while Kieran Dowell had a great season last year at Forest so was already in the youth set up and Mason Mount has had a similar start to Barnes and comes with a more glamourous pedigree.

Expect Barnes to be called up into the next under 21 side if Maddison or Gray get senior call ups, or if Dowell fails to get game time at Everton.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on September 10, 2018, 01:29:34 AM
 Thanks for the info baggies,it makes you think why would he want to stay with Leicester if his progress is blocked,apart from his boyhood ties,I think we might have a chance of signing him,but only if we get promote.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 10, 2018, 05:33:14 PM
Leicester have a recall option in January so he might go back and be pushing for a place with them yet...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: wbastrollers on September 10, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
Leicester have a recall option in January so he might go back and be pushing for a place with them yet...

I don’t think he would be a happy chappy if he was recalled to sit on the bench or play with the ‘stiffs’. Unless Leicester have a spate of injuries his chances of playing Premiership football are at best  minimal, imo.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 11, 2018, 01:31:55 PM
I don’t think he would be a happy chappy if he was recalled to sit on the bench or play with the ‘stiffs’.
That's exactly what happened when he was recalled from Barnsley in January last season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2018, 02:15:00 PM
Wouldn't worry too much about the chances of him ending up here, forget that, just enjoy him while he is here.  Class act.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 11, 2018, 05:20:25 PM
That's exactly what happened when he was recalled from Barnsley in January last season.

Not the players choice though sadly.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: KN22 on September 11, 2018, 07:10:01 PM
I have a very real concern that Leicester will take him back in January. If he continues to show the form we have seen so far and they don’t enjoy a good first half of the season then we should brace ourselves. In the meantime, as has already been said, let’s enjoy him while we can.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: mulliganstired on September 19, 2018, 08:36:34 AM
seemed like he was getting a bit of a kicking just before half time, I think he'll have to get used to that
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on September 19, 2018, 09:05:54 AM
seemed like he was getting a bit of a kicking just before half time, I think he'll have to get used to that

There was an article in the paper (I believe it was E&S) where they had an interview with Harvey and he mentions the treatment he's been receiving and seems to take it as a compliment.

The kid is a talent, looks to create something at every opportunity, we win when he plays well. Add to that he has been close to snatching wins for us against Blue and Forest late on aswell. Hes involved in every game. Got a bright future ahead of him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 19, 2018, 09:44:07 AM
The boy is a class act. He makes running with the ball look very, very easy.

Teams will learn that if they cut the supply to him, as Blues did, then we will struggle. City made it an open game which meant we could play through him more - to good effect
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: boinging_along on September 19, 2018, 09:53:45 AM
He looks excellent and also seems to have a really good attitude when he's getting kicked to the ground.  Doesn't roll around, just gets up, dusts himself off and has another go at them. 
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on September 19, 2018, 10:31:07 AM
The boy is a class act. He makes running with the ball look very, very easy.

Teams will learn that if they cut the supply to him, as Blues did, then we will struggle. City made it an open game which meant we could play through him more - to good effect

The good bit now I feel is that, as seen yesterday we have the ability to pop him out left (if they do stop the supply to him) and introduce Wes who also looks tidy on the ball, so by doubling up on Barnes you will be leaving space for Hoolahan to exploit.

We have a lot of good options going forward.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 19, 2018, 10:32:05 AM
The boy is a class act. He makes running with the ball look very, very easy.

Teams will learn that if they cut the supply to him, as Blues did, then we will struggle. City made it an open game which meant we could play through him more - to good effect


We got the ball to him against Blues, he just didn't play very well. The difference between Friday and last night was his performance. At his age he'll have off days, but he looks a superb player when he's on it.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: miggybaggy on September 19, 2018, 04:52:01 PM
I think he's got what it takes to reach the very top level.... a real pity we're going to lose him sooner or later.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Adder on September 19, 2018, 07:01:55 PM

We got the ball to him against Blues, he just didn't play very well. The difference between Friday and last night was his performance. At his age he'll have off days, but he looks a superb player when he's on it.
Think Blues gave him a lot less time on the ball, zero at times. He looked at least one level up on everyone else last night, superb is the word.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: mulliganstired on September 19, 2018, 07:03:46 PM
We may well be looking back on another Lukaku type situation in a few years, but lets enjoy it while we can, he is a cut above.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on September 20, 2018, 02:18:28 AM
Albion have to try to sign Barnes in January. He just signed a long term contract at Leicester but we have no one to fall back on if he returns to them. I know people will say try Burke, Leko etc, but he is a cut above most of our team. I would open the bank for this one.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: liverbaggie on September 20, 2018, 05:28:22 AM
Does he have a release contract clause,I wonder?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Oldbury24 on September 20, 2018, 08:24:45 AM
Albion have to try to sign Barnes in January. He just signed a long term contract at Leicester but we have no one to fall back on if he returns to them. I know people will say try Burke, Leko etc, but he is a cut above most of our team. I would open the bank for this one.

Why would they sell?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Mister AT on September 20, 2018, 08:31:45 AM
Albion have to try to sign Barnes in January. He just signed a long term contract at Leicester but we have no one to fall back on if he returns to them. I know people will say try Burke, Leko etc, but he is a cut above most of our team. I would open the bank for this one.

Think its  non starter. He's a big Leicester fan and im sure I read all his mates still have season tickets. He has just signed a big contract with them aswell, the only way he would be coming here is if we got promoted and Leicester said they didn't want him (which I cant see them doing).

Just enjoy him whilst we have him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggiejohn on September 20, 2018, 09:04:38 AM
The lad's in great form at the moment, but IMO we shouldn't get carried away.

If he can sustain his form for the rest of the season & we win promotion to the Premier League, we should make a bid for him.

I would imagine that Leicester will want a decent price for Barnes, but we could argue that we have played a significant part in his development, & should reflect his transfer fee.

The fact that he is a Leicester lad & lives in Countesthorpe, wouldn't make a difference if Man U came in for him, so I doubt that it would for us.

IMO it's doable if we get promoted.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: tylerm on September 20, 2018, 09:23:40 AM
The lad's in great form at the moment, but IMO we shouldn't get carried away.

If he can sustain his form for the rest of the season & we win promotion to the Premier League, we should make a bid for him.

I would imagine that Leicester will want a decent price for Barnes, but we could argue that we have played a significant part in his development, & should reflect his transfer fee.

The fact that he is a Leicester lad & lives in Countesthorpe, wouldn't make a difference if Man U came in for him, so I doubt that it would for us.

IMO it's doable if we get promoted.

Everyone is for sale at the right price. Unfortunately West Brom never offer the right price !!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: johnny Cash on September 20, 2018, 10:44:33 AM
The lad's in great form at the moment, but IMO we shouldn't get carried away.

If he can sustain his form for the rest of the season & we win promotion to the Premier League, we should make a bid for him.

I would imagine that Leicester will want a decent price for Barnes, but we could argue that we have played a significant part in his development, & should reflect his transfer fee.

The fact that he is a Leicester lad & lives in Countesthorpe, wouldn't make a difference if Man U came in for him, so I doubt that it would for us.

IMO it's doable if we get promoted.

There is a big difference between Man Utd going for any player over us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggiejohn on September 20, 2018, 11:49:59 AM
There is a big difference between Man Utd going for any player over us.

Not in terms of his roots & where he lives there isn't. I just don't see his roots & where he lives being an issue in terms of him joining us.

If he continues to do well with us this season, he will form a bond with the players & the fans & I could see him wanting to play Premier League football with us.
If we don't get promoted, he will probably try his luck elsewhere.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: SmethDan on September 20, 2018, 12:03:15 PM
The lad's in great form at the moment, but IMO we shouldn't get carried away.

If he can sustain his form for the rest of the season & we win promotion to the Premier League, we should make a bid for him.

I would imagine that Leicester will want a decent price for Barnes, but we could argue that we have played a significant part in his development, & should reflect his transfer fee..........

The fact that he is a Leicester lad & lives in Countesthorpe, wouldn't make a difference if Man U came in for him, so I doubt that it would for us.

IMO it's doable if we get promoted.

....... and if I were negotiating from Leicester's end I'd laugh that suggestion out of the door by saying 'the talent was already there as demonstrated by last season's loan to Barnsley, otherwise 'you' (Albion) wouldn't have wanted to sign him on loan in the first instance'.

'You're (Albion) giving him an opportunity to showcase his talents which he is currently doing with aplomb, but he turns twenty one in December and he's been with us since he was a kid, you (Albion) haven't developed anything. Cough up'.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: sing on our own on September 20, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
Find it amusing that after years of penny pinching and offering below market value for players and patching up the squad with frees or giving new contracts to past it or injured players Jenkins or Lai are suddenly going to pay the 20 million plus and match wage offers to sign Barnes. I admire you’re blind faith but be real.... feel free to save this to show me next August ;)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggiejohn on September 20, 2018, 12:23:15 PM
....... and if I were negotiating from Leicester's end I'd laugh that suggestion out of the door by saying 'the talent was already there as demonstrated by last season's loan to Barnsley, otherwise 'you' (Albion) wouldn't have wanted to sign him on loan in the first instance'.

'You're (Albion) giving him an opportunity to showcase his talents which he is currently doing with aplomb, but he turns twenty one in December and he's been with us since he was a kid, you (Albion) haven't developed anything. Cough up'.

"Cough Up" is not in question, it's the price that needs to be negotiated, & even then, for me, it would be based on the whole period up to January, not just a few games.

I would also argue that we have developed him. He came here as a winger & we're using him as a number 10. From Harvey Barnes' own comments he has learned a lot already from Graeme Jones.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: leeiswba on September 20, 2018, 12:29:09 PM
There is absolutely zero chance of us signing Harvey Barnes;

1. We won't pay the big amount it would cost. £20m+ in my opinion if he carries on his form, plus he's just signed new contract.

2. I doubt Leicester would sell him unless we offered absolutely stupid amount, Leicester fans already are calling for him to be recalled as they rate him more than Gray

3. He's a Leicester fan who wants to play for Leicester so I can't see him wanting to give that up to join us at all.

Enjoy him while he is here.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggiejohn on September 20, 2018, 12:29:51 PM
Find it amusing that after years of penny pinching and offering below market value for players and patching up the squad with frees or giving new contracts to past it or injured players Jenkins or Lai are suddenly going to pay the 20 million plus and match wage offers to sign Barnes. I admire you’re blind faith but be real.... feel free to save this to show me next August ;)

As a Premier League team, I can't see why we wouldn't. How much do you think we would have to pay for a similar player in the Prem?



Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: SmethDan on September 20, 2018, 12:31:06 PM
"Cough Up" is not in question, it's the price that needs to be negotiated, & even then, for me, it would be based on the whole period up to January, not just a few games.

I would also argue that we have developed him. He came here as a winger & we're using him as a number 10. From Harvey Barnes' own comments he has learned a lot already from Graeme Jones.

Yes I know, and if I were negotiating from Leicester's position (as stated) I'd know all of the cards would be stacked in my favour, and as such your 'argument' would be completely null and void and would therefore fall on deaf ears.

'Cough up whatever I ask for and stop wasting my time Mr Jenkins (or whoever our Technical Director may or may not be at the time)'.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2018, 12:53:58 PM
We need Leicester and particularly Demarai Gray and James Maddison to have outstanding seasons. That will give us a slim chance of picking Barnes up for between £25m and £30m on the proviso we've been promoted.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: miggybaggy on September 20, 2018, 01:12:26 PM
I bet the big clubs are tracking his form and potential by now...think he's bound to end up at Chelsea or somewhere similar pretty soon. Money talks.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on September 20, 2018, 01:21:23 PM
I bet the big clubs are tracking his form and potential by now...think he's bound to end up at Chelsea or somewhere similar pretty soon. Money talks.


That's what I think. The top six clubs will be monitoring him for sure. One of them will take a chance on him and so they should the boy has immense talent.

Just enjoy him while we have him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: skyclad99 on September 20, 2018, 01:43:07 PM
There is absolutely zero chance of us signing Harvey Barnes;

1. We won't pay the big amount it would cost. £20m+ in my opinion if he carries on his form, plus he's just signed new contract.

2. I doubt Leicester would sell him unless we offered absolutely stupid amount, Leicester fans already are calling for him to be recalled as they rate him more than Gray

3. He's a Leicester fan who wants to play for Leicester so I can't see him wanting to give that up to join us at all.

Enjoy him while he is here.

I agree with this. However, I do think that if we were to be promoted at the end of the season the club would find the money. Points 2 and 3 are more likely to stand in the way, and also he will be firmly on the radar of the larger clubs, so as you say we have zero chance of getting him.

I just hope that the club are planning ahead of a life without Harvey Barnes, and identifying long term suitable replacements. However this is the Albion we are talking about......

Incidentally, I saw on the BBC yesterday that Brighton are lining up a certain Dan Ashworth to be their new D of F.......I am sure he could source Harveys successor.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 20, 2018, 01:54:10 PM

That's what I think. The top six clubs will be monitoring him for sure. One of them will take a chance on him and so they should the boy has immense talent.

Just enjoy him while we have him.


Not sure, Maddison ended up at Leicester, in our own experience Koumas went to Wigan and Dorrans was subject to only a lowball West Ham bid. This division is a big step down.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: Atomic on September 20, 2018, 01:56:18 PM

Not sure, Maddison ended up at Leicester, in our own experience Koumas went to Wigan and Dorrans was subject to only a lowball West Ham bid. This division is a big step down.


Dorrans wasn't in Barnes league. Koumas didn't have the dedication and Maddison isn't as good as Barnes just has that bit more experience.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: gerry m on September 20, 2018, 02:50:00 PM
There is absolutely zero chance of us signing Harvey Barnes;

1. We won't pay the big amount it would cost. £20m+ in my opinion if he carries on his form, plus he's just signed new contract.

2. I doubt Leicester would sell him unless we offered absolutely stupid amount, Leicester fans already are calling for him to be recalled as they rate him more than Gray

3. He's a Leicester fan who wants to play for Leicester so I can't see him wanting to give that up to join us at all.

Enjoy him while he is here.

That is something that worries me a bit at the moment. He is one of 2 of our most dangerous players at the moment along with Dwight Gayle, neither of them is our player.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: baggiejohn on September 20, 2018, 03:58:22 PM
I agree with this. However, I do think that if we were to be promoted at the end of the season the club would find the money. Points 2 and 3 are more likely to stand in the way, and also he will be firmly on the radar of the larger clubs, so as you say we have zero chance of getting him.

I just hope that the club are planning ahead of a life without Harvey Barnes, and identifying long term suitable replacements. However this is the Albion we are talking about......

Incidentally, I saw on the BBC yesterday that Brighton are lining up a certain Dan Ashworth to be their new D of F.......I am sure he could source Harveys successor.

I'm still not sure that being Leicester born & bred would stand in his way, especially if he couldn't get regular playing time there.

I'm sure I saw another post when Leicester recalled him from Barnsley last season, he only had a few minutes on the pitch. I think a regular first team slot for us in the Premier League could be attractive to him, especially if he had International aspirations.

I'm also sure I've seen the Dan Ashworth story before. Just can't see him going to Brighton. IMO he has unfinished business in the England set-up, & if he did go back into club football, it would be at a more fashionable club than Brighton.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: liverbaggie on September 20, 2018, 04:17:52 PM
Arnt we interviewing as well at the moment,get Dan back to his roots ASAP.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: miggybaggy on September 20, 2018, 04:30:19 PM

Not sure, Maddison ended up at Leicester, in our own experience Koumas went to Wigan and Dorrans was subject to only a lowball West Ham bid. This division is a big step down.

Hmmm. Not sure! He's the most naturally gifted footballer I've seen at the baggies since Koumas. Would love to see how he gets on in a rampant Liverpool team in full flow....as long as its not against us! ;D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Topman on September 20, 2018, 04:46:22 PM

Dorrans wasn't in Barnes league. Koumas didn't have the dedication and Maddison isn't as good as Barnes just has that bit more experience.




I’m sorry I can’t agree with that. Dorrans was amazing all season when we went back up, to say Barnes is way better after seven or so games is in my opinion forgetting what an amazing season dorrans had.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes Joins Albion on Loan
Post by: NathWBA on September 20, 2018, 06:56:41 PM

Dorrans wasn't in Barnes league. Koumas didn't have the dedication and Maddison isn't as good as Barnes just has that bit more experience.
Dorrans scored 13 and assisted 19 in the 09/10 season, it’s way too early to compare Barnes to Dorrans or Koumas. Koumas was one of the most talented players to play for us in recent times, if he’d got Barnes’ application he’d have played for whoever he wanted.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: WBArgo on September 20, 2018, 07:11:30 PM



I’m sorry I can’t agree with that. Dorrans was amazing all season when we went back up, to say Barnes is way better after seven or so games is in my opinion forgetting what an amazing season dorrans had.
Agree, Dorrans carried us that season and was meant to be the next big thing; West Ham offered a derisory £6 million when we got promoted which would be the equivalent of around £12-15 million in todays market and we all laughed at it on here.

There's NO way of telling if a player can make the grade in the Premier League; teams are way better at defending, there's less time/space etc so it's all ifs and buts at the moment.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Adder on September 20, 2018, 07:36:38 PM
Should be good for our youngsters having him around - he clearly has a very good attitude with no 'big time' element to him as far as we can see. Also mentions he watches certain players and how they train. He clearly wants to learn and realises that swanning around won't get you very far as a youngster these days.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: caravanc58 on September 21, 2018, 07:48:11 AM
looks like Leicester can recall him in JANUARY.
would be a huge loss to lose him.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/955290832?-11200:789:3

Claude Puel says there is a possibility he could recall Harvey Barnes from his loan spell at West Brom when the transfer window reopens in January.
“We will see,” said Puel, when asked if he might recall Barnes again. “Of course I follow Barnes, I follow Filip Benkovic (on loan at Celtic) and everyone on loan. It is important to look at their performance. We will see what happens in January.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 21, 2018, 08:13:14 AM
Can a player refuse to go back to their parent club?
 I would hope that Barnes would be seeking assurances from Leicester that he will be more involved in first team games if he was to be recalled, after the lack of game time he got last season coming back from Barnsley.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: leeiswba on September 21, 2018, 10:06:48 AM
Can a player refuse to go back to their parent club?
 I would hope that Barnes would be seeking assurances from Leicester that he will be more involved in first team games if he was to be recalled, after the lack of game time he got last season coming back from Barnsley.

Imagine being a kid and desperate to play for the Albion, when they say they want you back are you going to jump at the chance or think ‘I want to ask them a few questions first in case I just fancy staying at this other team that doesn’t really mean anything to me’

If Leicester want him back he will be straight back up there and FairPlay to him as he will be going to play for his boyhood club
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: baggiejohn on September 21, 2018, 11:16:13 AM
Imagine being a kid and desperate to play for the Albion, when they say they want you back are you going to jump at the chance or think ‘I want to ask them a few questions first in case I just fancy staying at this other team that doesn’t really mean anything to me’

If Leicester want him back he will be straight back up there and FairPlay to him as he will be going to play for his boyhood club


Really?

Quote from Claude Puel

Quote
“He wanted game-time to play and didn’t have the good focus with us. We will see in January and at the end of the season.”

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 21, 2018, 11:43:10 AM
Beginning to sound like he be taken back in January to sit on their bench.

Imagine you are Leicester, and you can strengthen with potentially the player who has biggest star of the championship for the first half of the 18/19 season, and you can do it for very little cost. Why wouldn't they. 
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Atomic on September 21, 2018, 11:53:51 AM
Beginning to sound like he be taken back in January to sit on their bench.

Imagine you are Leicester, and you can strengthen with potentially the player who has biggest star of the championship for the first half of the 18/19 season, and you can do it for very little cost. Why wouldn't they.


I don't know why they loaned him to us in the first place. He's better than Maddison and Albrighton all day long. Well I do - lack of experience.

If I were Albion I'd slap in a huge bid in January. Yes Leicester may well turn it down but you don't know until you try. I'd pay £25 million. If there's one player we should break the bank to get it's him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: miggybaggy on September 21, 2018, 12:08:45 PM

I don't know why they loaned him to us in the first place. He's better than Maddison and Albrighton all day long. Well I do - lack of experience.

If I were Albion I'd slap in a huge bid in January. Yes Leicester may well turn it down but you don't know until you try. I'd pay £25 million. If there's one player we should break the bank to get it's him.

Totally agree. Most of our goals this season are attributable to him in some way. Sadly, I cant see it happening though.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: baggiejohn on September 21, 2018, 12:12:26 PM
This is an interesting set of stats about the player.

IMO he's having a "career best" spell with us at the moment

Ideally, I think I'd like to see how he goes over the season, but if another club makes a bid in January, I'd like to think we would compete.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=95981&season_id=150 (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=95981&season_id=150)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 21, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
This is an interesting set of stats about the player.

IMO he's having a "career best" spell with us at the moment

Ideally, I think I'd like to see how he goes over the season, but if another club makes a bid in January, I'd like to think we would compete.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=95981&season_id=150 (http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=95981&season_id=150)

If it were a career best at 27 I think people would naturally be a lot more sceptical, but its an upward trajectory for a young player. 6 goals in 21 for MK dons two years ago. Then 5 goals in 23 for a Barnsley side struggling in the championship suggested he was capable of this in a better side at this level.

If he stays here and fit you'd have to back him to get 15. Even 20 doesn't seem impossible having seen him play which in itself from midfield seems crazy. 
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 21, 2018, 01:25:43 PM
Imagine being a kid and desperate to play for the Albion, when they say they want you back are you going to jump at the chance or think ‘I want to ask them a few questions first in case I just fancy staying at this other team that doesn’t really mean anything to me’

If Leicester want him back he will be straight back up there and FairPlay to him as he will be going to play for his boyhood club

You assume that Leicester will actually play him though. My point was, he might prefer to stay until May at a club where is he definitely going to play every week to go to his team and hardly get any game time (as happened last season).
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: wbawill on September 22, 2018, 06:33:16 PM
Can a player refuse to go back to their parent club?
 I would hope that Barnes would be seeking assurances from Leicester that he will be more involved in first team games if he was to be recalled, after the lack of game time he got last season coming back from Barnsley.

A player can't refuse to go back to their parent club - they have a contract with them that they must follow. However he could speak to Puel and persuade him to let him stay where he is for a bit longer. Hopefully that's what happens!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: TheBrom on September 22, 2018, 06:42:38 PM
I think again we’ll have to come to terms with the fact that he’s not ours and will be going back to his parent club. That is the reason players get loaned out at the end of the day
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: charlebaggie on September 22, 2018, 06:47:08 PM
What we need is Leicester to keep winning and Maddison to turn up then we'll have a chance ;D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Albertbaggie on September 22, 2018, 09:39:01 PM

I don't know why they loaned him to us in the first place. He's better than Maddison and Albrighton all day long. Well I do - lack of experience.

If I were Albion I'd slap in a huge bid in January. Yes Leicester may well turn it down but you don't know until you try. I'd pay £25 million. If there's one player we should break the bank to get it's him.
That's a pretty bold statement
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 22, 2018, 09:40:45 PM
Graham Dorrans ripped this division up and was linked to Man City... Food for thought.

Barnes looks like an unbelievable talent though, such an easy on the eye player. In no uncertain terms, he will not be here post summer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 22, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
Graham Dorrans ripped this division up and was linked to Man City... Food for thought.

Barnes looks like an unbelievable talent though, such an easy on the eye player. In no uncertain terms, he will not be here post summer.


And only subject to a low bid from West Ham.


He'll go back to Leicester then have to prove himself all over again in the top division. Largely went missing again today, but as I said midweek, it's excusable at his age to have off days.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Atomic on September 22, 2018, 09:47:14 PM
That's a pretty bold statement


Which I will stand by. Just to clarify though,  when I say better than I mean more talented naturally than.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 22, 2018, 09:54:19 PM

And only subject to a low bid from West Ham.


He'll go back to Leicester then have to prove himself all over again in the top division. Largely went missing again today, but as I said midweek, it's excusable at his age to have off days.

Well the only way he'll still be here is if we're in The Prem and it'll be a loan deal with a recall option in Jan. Even then I just can't see it. Carries on like he is, and his stock will be like Maddison's who just commanded a fee too big for us and has gone straight into Puel's side and looks more than comfortable at a higher level.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Atomic on September 22, 2018, 10:00:08 PM

And only subject to a low bid from West Ham.


He'll go back to Leicester then have to prove himself all over again in the top division. Largely went missing again today, but as I said midweek, it's excusable at his age to have off days.


I agree first half but not second half. Put in a couple of sublime crosses that someone really should've got on the end of and looked dangerous around the edge of the box.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Yardley on September 22, 2018, 10:13:44 PM
If we were to lose Barnes in January then we should break the bank to get Dack from Blackburn. He’s having a great season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Atomic on September 22, 2018, 10:17:39 PM
If we were to lose Barnes in January then we should break the bank to get Dack from Blackburn. He’s having a great season.


He's a good player. I'd love to see him at the Albion.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 22, 2018, 10:26:17 PM
If we have ambition, we should try to hold onto Barnes and get Dack too.
First though, we need a real solid defence. That is where we should concentrate for the time being....Whilst we have a good attacking force.
Need a few bob to be invested.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2018, 10:50:29 PM
At the start of the season we were not somewhere which players would look at and think “this is a club with prospects, if things continue as they have to date that is no longer going to be the case
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: alex1 on September 23, 2018, 01:49:22 PM
If Barnes goes back to Leicester that leaves us with quite a gap to fill. Morrison when he is at his best, can play a similar role, but when he last played he seemed a bit off the pace.
Hoolihan is a creative intelligent player, but at 36 you can't expect him to make too many bursts forward. What we would need is a player with a change of pace who can take the ball past players from midfield. Maybe the best replacement would be Harper?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Atomic on September 23, 2018, 02:22:42 PM
If Barnes goes back to Leicester that leaves us with quite a gap to fill. Morrison when he is at his best, can play a similar role, but when he last played he seemed a bit off the pace.
Hoolihan is a creative intelligent player, but at 36 you can't expect him to make too many bursts forward. What we would need is a player with a change of pace who can take the ball past players from midfield. Maybe the best replacement would be Harper?
Harper is nothing like Barnes.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: johnny Cash on September 23, 2018, 02:28:33 PM
Morrison isn't capable of what Barnes is now either, if he ever was.  His best goal return for us in a season ever is 5, which I'm a little surprised at. Before checking I would have guessed he managed closer to 10 at least once.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 23, 2018, 09:11:27 PM
If we have ambition, we should try to hold onto Barnes and get Dack too.
First though, we need a real solid defence. That is where we should concentrate for the time being....Whilst we have a good attacking force.
Need a few bob to be invested.
This
If we are top 2 and looking good, we should be signing Gayle,Barnes and Dack
Whilst also looking towards a Camacho type midfielder
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: leeiswba on September 23, 2018, 09:42:04 PM
This
If we are top 2 and looking good, we should be signing Gayle,Barnes and Dack
Whilst also looking towards a Camacho type midfielder

Where we getting £60m from when all our owners money is stuck in China?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: yorkshire baggie on September 23, 2018, 09:48:29 PM
Harvey has certainly started well in the champioship. Premier is a big step up and yesterday was not a good day for him. Hopefully a wake up call. A very exciting talent but by no means the finished article.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Smooth Lad on September 24, 2018, 08:48:40 PM
Where we getting £60m from when all our owners money is stuck in China?

Gayle can be swapped + cash for Rondon if Newcastle stop up, if toon go down we're looking at either moving rondon and using the money to buy gayle, buying gayle and keeping rondon or keeping rondon and giving him another try over giving gayle another try in the prem.

Dack can be bought, we have enough surely for one player.

Barnes is the only one that isn't realistic. Leicester would be fools to let him go.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: baggie82 on September 24, 2018, 09:15:06 PM
Gayle can be swapped + cash for Rondon if Newcastle stop up, if toon go down we're looking at either moving rondon and using the money to buy gayle, buying gayle and keeping rondon or keeping rondon and giving him another try over giving gayle another try in the prem.

Dack can be bought, we have enough surely for one player.

Barnes is the only one that isn't realistic. Leicester would be fools to let him go.

We might be able to get Barnes on a season long loan again in the Prem as long as we pay Leicester a hefty signing on fee, 9 good games with us so far isn't going to be enough or close to, to break into the Leicester team, Premier is a massive step up in class.

Certainly can't rely on any money from Rondon. Subbed after 45 minutes on Saturday after just 15 touches of the ball. We couldn't get any money for him this summer, going to be worth even less next summer. Another season of a failure in the premier will finish off his top flight career entirely.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: baggiebof on September 25, 2018, 09:41:07 PM
Demarai Gray potentially suffering a serious injury tonight, he has been stretchered off, is bad news for our hopes of keeping Barnes beyond January.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 25, 2018, 10:39:47 PM
Worst thing that could’ve happened to us . Maddison with gray as cover for their number 10!position I think we could’ve negotiated till end of season.  Not now
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: tuamigos on September 26, 2018, 07:52:05 AM
yep, Gray getting a bad one would seem to have put the kaibosh on Barnes staying after January.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Baggies on September 26, 2018, 08:17:52 AM
Gray's injury is not reportedly as bas as first feared going on Puel's remarks. He seemed to hope he would be back soon having rolled his ankle.

Hopefully it is only a month long injury, and in the meantime their back up options do well. That might convince Leicester that Barnes can stay here.

It doesn't hurt to plan for the future though. Hopefully Dowling (if he is the man) already has a good idea what is out there.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: marky on September 26, 2018, 08:18:59 AM
Leicester Mercury suggesting Gray injury not as bad as first thought, not a broken leg or ankle, maybe hurt his ankle fairly badly
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2018, 11:55:16 PM
Think we need to calm down a bit about Harvey, 3 quiet games on the bounce.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Atomic on September 30, 2018, 07:54:29 AM
Think we need to calm down a bit about Harvey, 3 quiet games on the bounce.


You're going to get a bit of inconsistency from a 20 year old. Don't worry about Harvey he'll soon terrorise someone again.  ;)

Didn't think he was that quiet against Millwall just that we expect so much from him now.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: keithowba86 on September 30, 2018, 08:40:41 AM
barnes is our best player... end of discussion
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 30, 2018, 08:48:05 AM
barnes is our best player... end of discussion
No it’s not. ;D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: keithowba86 on September 30, 2018, 09:05:03 AM
No it’s not. ;D
Nothing else to discuss surely? Talk of him having 'quiet' games is nonsense!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: elkiellis on September 30, 2018, 01:08:41 PM
Barnes in my opinion is our best player,the last 3 games he has been below par,but he looks like the player that can mostly make something happen,his finishing ability and final release decision making hopefully will come,but if he already had this ,he would not be on loan to us
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 01, 2018, 08:27:43 AM
Nothing else to discuss surely? Talk of him having 'quiet' games is nonsense!

so you don't think he had a quiet game at Blues and also on Saturday? Against Blues he was pretty much marked out of the game and on Saturday was a lot less effective against a fairly poor midfield, maybe it's that we seem to play with less intensity away as at home he is a lot more dynamic. That's not a criticism of him as he's only 20 and still learning, he's going to have quiet games where he will struggle to make an impact all players do.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 01, 2018, 08:53:03 AM
I would argue Gayle is our best player personally as he does it week in week out.

Barnes, when he is on it, is superb, but I am struggling to recall an away game where he has truly fired this season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 01, 2018, 09:47:49 AM
he was very ineffectual against Blues, and seemed really off his game in the win against Millwall (which was one of the things that made that win so satisfying for me).

However, any scouting team worth their salt would surely report back......

don't let Barnes run at pace against our defence!!  ensure he is never left isolated in midfield and allowed to turn!!  and teams must  now be putting tactics in place to try and stop this. 

it is the very top players that then work out what to do when the opposition is trying to stop them as an individual......this is probably the part of his game he needs to develop.  he is still incredibly talented, able to turn and run with the ball and pick a decent forward pass.  he has scored some wonderful goals but could have done better with a few other opportunities (not passing the ball to Gibbs unmarked on the 6 yard box springs to mind) and is no where near the finished article yet.   We shouldn't be completely reliant on a 20 year old and It is great that we are still taking the points without him being man of the match every game.

But....when he is on his game, does find space and running at pace WOW! other than Koumas I can't remember another player in my watching history going back to a kid in the 80's who could just go past a player like he does.   If any other players do spring to mind please drop their names on here as it would be nice to have my memories rekindled.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 01, 2018, 10:00:08 AM
Simon Garner
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Albionic on October 01, 2018, 10:07:19 AM
Somen Tchyoi
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 01, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
Laurie

sadly, never saw Laurie....something tells me I wouldn't have forgotten him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 01, 2018, 10:28:58 AM
Simon Garner

my main memory of Garner is watching him smoking a fag in the tunnel at half time...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 01, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
Somen Tchyoi

now that dude was fun!!  if only he'd had more control of those legs
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Albionic on October 01, 2018, 10:31:38 AM
now that dude was fun!!  if only he'd had more control of those legs

the lack of leg control or thought process were his prime assets, IMO, as you say fun to watch though,   The baggies Paulo Wanchope !
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: ronnie_allen on October 01, 2018, 11:59:41 AM
Somen Tchyoi

He came on as a sub and scored right in front of us at Fulham away. Was an a very well taken goal but very straightforward by his standard. Think he got the ball just knocked it on the outside of a defender and lashed it in. Almost felt let down when I was telling my wife that this guy will just do some crazy stuff with the ball; although by her standards scoring a goal for West Brom is probably crazy.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 01, 2018, 01:04:59 PM
And with that we'll move back to Harvey Barnes...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester City)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 01, 2018, 01:19:15 PM
he was very ineffectual against Blues, and seemed really off his game in the win against Millwall (which was one of the things that made that win so satisfying for me).

However, any scouting team worth their salt would surely report back......

don't let Barnes run at pace against our defence!!  ensure he is never left isolated in midfield and allowed to turn!!  and teams must  now be putting tactics in place to try and stop this. 

it is the very top players that then work out what to do when the opposition is trying to stop them as an individual......this is probably the part of his game he needs to develop.  he is still incredibly talented, able to turn and run with the ball and pick a decent forward pass.  he has scored some wonderful goals but could have done better with a few other opportunities (not passing the ball to Gibbs unmarked on the 6 yard box springs to mind) and is no where near the finished article yet.   We shouldn't be completely reliant on a 20 year old and It is great that we are still taking the points without him being man of the match every game.

But....when he is on his game, does find space and running at pace WOW! other than Koumas I can't remember another player in my watching history going back to a kid in the 80's who could just go past a player like he does.   If any other players do spring to mind please drop their names on here as it would be nice to have my memories rekindled.

Think you have summed it up nicely there 24, especially about him having to find/learn to find that bit extra in games when he is being heavily marked / nullified. 
It can be hard to remember at times that he is only 20 and still has so much to learn to go with his undoubted natural ability.
I'll carry on enjoying his development for this season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 03, 2018, 10:32:02 PM
This kid is a genius, and tonight he has scored the goal of the season. Superb
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on October 03, 2018, 10:48:56 PM
He's got the pace and power to do the 60 yard runs which take players out of the game. He can finish with either foot and his control at pace when he gets to the business end is impressive.
In certain games, especially when he's being closely marked high up the pitch, we need to use him from deep to carry the ball. It gives an extra dimension which basically won us the game v Bristol City and got us a point tonight.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on October 03, 2018, 10:51:04 PM
Quality player who will be an asset to his parent club, only came a live in closing stages but what a goal.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tommcneill on October 03, 2018, 10:51:07 PM
This lad has unreal talent

Unfortunately I can see Leicester recalling him with his form at the min
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2018, 10:52:49 PM
This lad has unreal talent

Unfortunately I can see Leicester recalling him with his form at the min

Everybody has the same horrible feeling. Hopefully they do the right thing And barring a injury crisis at Leicester let him finish the season with us as their the ones who will benefit in the long run
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on October 03, 2018, 10:52:54 PM
He's got the pace and power to do the 60 yard runs which take players out of the game. He can finish with either foot and his control at pace when he gets to the business end is impressive.
In certain games, especially when he's being closely marked high up the pitch, we need to use him from deep to carry the ball. It gives an extra dimension which basically won us the game v Bristol City and got us a point tonight.
spot on when he dropped deeper and more central he got more into game.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: caravanc58 on October 03, 2018, 10:56:36 PM
he's got fantastic balance when he runs with the ball, so much like Koumas but with a better attitude. he's still learning but what a future he could have.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 04, 2018, 10:56:44 PM
Could be good news for us,Madison called up for England squad.
So he's way ahead of Harvey.
Why would Leicester need him?
Only as back up.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: 17GD on October 04, 2018, 11:07:26 PM
They may want to call him back to sit on the bench (terrible in my opinion if they did!), but surely he should be thinking about staying here to get more and more experience. IMO the lad's the best player in this league and he seems fairly level headed, so hopefully that means he won't let his heart rule his head (if his love of Leicester would draw him back should the offer come up in January). He also seems to be enjoying his time here and he's getting plenty of games. Can't really see why he'd go back in January.

I can see him playing for Liverpool one day. I just think he suits their style, can't really see him at Man City as they tend to go for homegrown or foreign players, but certainly one of the big clubs.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on October 05, 2018, 04:10:56 AM
Shame he's a Leicester fan, otherwise he could do a George Thorne and force a permanent move to us.

Doubt he'd cost the same £1.5m we got from Derby for Thorne.

I think if given the choice he would pick a promotion challenge then sitting on the bench.

If we are still up there at Xmas the situation is completely different to the Barnsley situation last season where he was hovering just above the relegation zone and therefore not so much of a wrench to leave them.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on October 05, 2018, 11:30:02 AM
They may want to call him back to sit on the bench (terrible in my opinion if they did!), but surely he should be thinking about staying here to get more and more experience. IMO the lad's the best player in this league and he seems fairly level headed, so hopefully that means he won't let his heart rule his head (if his love of Leicester would draw him back should the offer come up in January). He also seems to be enjoying his time here and he's getting plenty of games. Can't really see why he'd go back in January.

I can see him playing for Liverpool one day. I just think he suits their style, can't really see him at Man City as they tend to go for homegrown or foreign players, but certainly one of the big clubs.

they tend to go for homegrown or foreign players - what other sort are there?  :-\
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2018, 12:33:35 PM
they tend to go for homegrown or foreign players - what other sort are there?  :-\


I believe he means players that have come through their own academy as opposed to any British players.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 05, 2018, 12:47:40 PM
Just been called up to the under 21's.
Well played mate,you couldn't have done it without us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on October 05, 2018, 12:53:04 PM

I believe he means players that have come through their own academy as opposed to any British players.

Doh !   brainfart (on my behalf)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: 17GD on October 05, 2018, 04:05:02 PM

I believe he means players that have come through their own academy as opposed to any British players.

Doh !   brainfart (on my behalf)

Yeah cheers Jacko that's what I meant, I didn't really make that clear.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on October 05, 2018, 05:03:34 PM
Glad that Barnes finally gets his under 21 chance. Had he come from Chelsea's academy, i'm sure he would have been considered for the full side going on Mount's call up.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: barnestormer on October 05, 2018, 10:57:16 PM
Anyone explain to me how mount gets the England nod over Barnes?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 06, 2018, 12:25:11 AM
Anyone explain to me how mount gets the England nod over Barnes?
Glamour v non- glamour club. Always been that way.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 06, 2018, 09:36:42 AM
Anyone explain to me how mount gets the England nod over Barnes?


Better player, further along in his development.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 07, 2018, 01:26:07 AM
I can't see Leicester not recalling him at the moment sadly. Hope our new DOF has got a
Replacement lined up
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on October 07, 2018, 09:25:14 AM
Anyone explain to me how mount gets the England nod over Barnes?

Without seeing much of Mount, I can't tell if he is better than Barnes. A lot will be down to his pedigree though. Not getting into Chelsea's team is less detrimental to your rating than not getting into Leicester's team. Mount also has last year at Vitesse to show and Mount was already firmly on the radar and being seen as a future international whereas Barnes was just "in the system".

It will be interesting to see which one goes further. Mount's call up feels way, way too premature for me, jist like Sancho's. Both should and would be in Germany/Spain/France's under 21s side, not their senior side this month. Southgate has gone tovquick with both of them when we only really needed to promote Maddison and consider Barkley.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 07, 2018, 09:37:55 AM

Better player, further along in his development.

Different position helps too
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: elkiellis on October 07, 2018, 12:42:21 PM
In January offer Leicester all the Chadli,money as a loan fee till the end of the season,wont happen but it should,as we might not get a better opportunity than this season to get out of the championship,2019 no Barnes no Gayle,possibly no Jrod no Phillips.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: boinging_along on October 07, 2018, 12:45:36 PM
If we don't go up we defo won't have Barnes. I reckon we wouldn't have Gayle either, J-rod, Dawson, Phillips, Gibbs and Hegazi would also likely to be off.

Get promoted and put a big bid in for Barnes and Gayle. Barnes is only going to get better and if Leicester lose a couple of their promising players we will stand no chance of getting Barnes.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on October 07, 2018, 01:49:55 PM
In January offer Leicester all the Chadli,money as a loan fee till the end of the season,wont happen but it should,as we might not get a better opportunity than this season to get out of the championship,2019 no Barnes no Gayle,possibly no Jrod no Phillips.

You do know the chadli fee was £10m?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: barnestormer on October 07, 2018, 04:35:42 PM
You do know the chadli fee was £10m?
By doing that,that is how we could end up like Sunderland and other prem has beens.skint and languishing in an even lower division
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on October 07, 2018, 04:52:21 PM
By doing that,that is how we could end up like Sunderland and other prem has beens.skint and languishing in an even lower division

That was what I was saying.

I was not advocating we pay a £10m loan fee for 20 games.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggie_liam on October 07, 2018, 08:28:36 PM
Take this how you will and I know it’s going to sound like one of those friends uncles grandads second cousin stories but...

A guy I know and was talking to who is a LCFC fan is good friends with Trevor Peake, who is not part of the set up at Leicester, was told by TP that Harvey Barnes won’t be recalled in January as there are two others already higher thought of in front of him and unless they get injured nothing will change. I said I assume you mean Maddison and Gray, but he said no there’s two others, who I don’t know, that are ahead of him..

Could all be boll**ks mind.. just thought I’d share it though..
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on October 07, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
Like I said before, if he only he kicked up a fuss to stay with us like Thorne did to engineer his move to Derby.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: KYA on October 09, 2018, 05:30:08 PM
A couple of online sites saying Leicester will take Barnes back in January window  :( not sure where the info has come from though.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on October 09, 2018, 05:49:40 PM
A couple of online sites saying Leicester will take Barnes back in January window  :( not sure where the info has come from though.

Here, check that name out........  ;D .

https://twitter.com/nickmashiter?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: KYA on October 09, 2018, 05:59:47 PM
You're sh..... kidding me ;D.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: smosher34 on October 09, 2018, 07:27:59 PM
I would leave him with us for the season. He's playing every game learning his trade and getting bit roughed now and again will only make him a better player in the future.. Goes back how much game time will he get.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 10, 2018, 11:36:20 AM
Maybe this is where the Dack reports have materialised. Barnes will be a massive loss if not replaced properly.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tuamigos on October 10, 2018, 12:00:39 PM
Maybe this is where the Dack reports have materialised. Barnes will be a massive loss if not replaced properly.

Can't see Blackburn letting him go either
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 10, 2018, 12:45:09 PM
Can't see Blackburn letting him go either

Money talks but I'm not sure we can talk loud enough.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on October 10, 2018, 12:48:36 PM
Money talks but I'm not sure we can talk loud enough.

We have missed our chance, his form and stats will mean that we are priced out of it now, a struggling prem side will be in for him in Jan.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: elkiellis on October 10, 2018, 08:19:22 PM
By doing that,that is how we could end up like Sunderland and other prem has beens.skint and languishing in an even lower division
We paid more than £10 million for Chadli and Barnes has proved his worth more than Chadli ever did,if Leicester said £10 million loan fee or we recall,we should spend the money,at least we know what we are getting you can spend double that amount and get rubbish,if Barnes is recalled it will seriously damage our promotion chances and premiership big money,it really doesn't matter though as our chairman is as wise as you and would never pay that loan fee anyway
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on October 10, 2018, 10:43:21 PM
10m loan fee, for 6 months! absolutely barking mad!!
The sturridge deal was idiotic but this is a level more daft IMO!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: CL3MO on October 21, 2018, 10:28:51 AM
According to Laurie Whitewell, Midlands Correspondent for the Mail, on Twitter, Leicester plan to let us have Barnes until the end of the season.

Quotes from Claude Puel: "It is not normal priority to come back in the middle of the season. It would be better for him to continue this way at West Brom."

Some good news it seems from a disappointing weekend.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Aixelsyd on November 12, 2018, 09:07:11 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/november/barnes-withdrawn-from-england-u21-squad/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/november/barnes-withdrawn-from-england-u21-squad/)

Barnes withdrawn from England U21 squad

HARVEY Barnes has withdrawn from England Under-21 duty after suffering a foot injury.
Harvey, who was due to feature in games against Italy and Denmark, will return to Albion for assessment.
 
The injury is not thought to be serious and Albion are hopeful he will be available for selection when they return to Sky Bet Championship action at Ipswich on Friday, November 23.

.....................................................................

So when did this happen?

If you watch the replay of HRK's goal celebration, Barnes seems to hobble as he runs in.


Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on November 12, 2018, 10:43:47 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/november/barnes-withdrawn-from-england-u21-squad/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/november/barnes-withdrawn-from-england-u21-squad/)

Barnes withdrawn from England U21 squad

HARVEY Barnes has withdrawn from England Under-21 duty after suffering a foot injury.
Harvey, who was due to feature in games against Italy and Denmark, will return to Albion for assessment.
 
The injury is not thought to be serious and Albion are hopeful he will be available for selection when they return to Sky Bet Championship action at Ipswich on Friday, November 23.

.....................................................................

So when did this happen?

If you watch the replay of HRK's goal celebration, Barnes seems to hobble as he runs in.
He certainly made some strong runs after that but sometimes knocks are more painful afterwards or in the days after the game.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: WBArgo on November 23, 2018, 10:17:00 PM
Another fine performance tonight, even though he wasn't even at his best.
God help us if Leicester recall him in January.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2018, 10:57:02 PM
He was never really involved in the game but still managed to produce a telling moment.

Teams are going to target him. It helps when we have Phillips full of confidence as it gives us another powerful running option.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on November 24, 2018, 09:38:45 AM
Wasn't at his best by any means yesterday but he showed why you don't take him off unless he's injured he has that level of ability where he can change a game at any moment. What a talent he is.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on November 24, 2018, 01:20:56 PM
Not a good performance but scored one and hit the post so clearly a potent force, I did think he was a bit too predictable last night, the one time he popped up somewhere different he scored.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: elkiellis on November 24, 2018, 03:39:30 PM
10m loan fee, for 6 months! absolutely barking mad!!
The sturridge deal was idiotic but this is a level more daft IMO!
is it barking mad,who we going to get for 10 million to replace Barnes if he is recalled Sturridge was idiotic he was not even fit to play,where as Barnes could be the sole factor as wether we get promoted or not,he is the sole game changer we have,we have the Chadli money this is how we should spend it
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on November 24, 2018, 04:01:31 PM
Yes it’s barking mad, you cannot compare a £10m 6 month loan to a transfer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: mulliganstired on November 29, 2018, 10:38:41 AM
Anyone else think he might need a break from starting every game now?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BoingFlyer on November 29, 2018, 11:01:02 AM
10m loan fee, for 6 months! absolutely barking mad!!
The sturridge deal was idiotic but this is a level more daft IMO!

I would assume that Leicester are still paying his wages.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2018, 11:08:18 AM
The change of system doesn't really suit him and his touch has partially deserted him last 2 games. Hopefully just a natural blip that all young players go through.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on November 29, 2018, 11:20:42 AM
The change of system doesn't really suit him and his touch has partially deserted him last 2 games. Hopefully just a natural blip that all young players go through.


I think it suits him better. He was becoming ineffective towards the end of that three at the back run then change of system he's scored two and hit the post twice. Much more threatening without being involved in the game as much as we'd like him to be.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2018, 12:11:52 PM

I think it suits him better. He was becoming ineffective towards the end of that three at the back run then change of system he's scored two and hit the post twice. Much more threatening without being involved in the game as much as we'd like him to be.


Disagree completely similarly I disagree with your assessment of Gayle and Rodriguez in this system. However would be dull if we all agreed...


Regards Barnes he's well out of the game hugging the left touchline, seemingly won't drop back or in to receive the ball and due to the lack of involvement loses concentration then is either trying to do too much or giving the ball away.


A threat even when having a stinker but he's far better suited to a central free role.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: graka on November 30, 2018, 01:37:16 PM
He has been really poor last 2 games yet still has the ability to change a game in a split second.
His decision making will improve with age and he is less involved out wide but I do feel he needs better movement and intelligence to get more involved by sometimes dropping deeper or moving in centrally on occasions rather than stood waiting for his turn and then trying too much.
But again I don't know what he is being asked to do by our coach who concentrates on when we have the ball.
I'm not overly convinced by Jones so far. Big Dave has changed the defensive system and made us a little more solid, time for Jones to take that on board and work out other options going forward
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: miggybaggy on November 30, 2018, 02:33:21 PM
Anyone else think he might need a break from starting every game now?

No way! He's that rare type of player who can change a game in a split second. I say make the most of him while we still can!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 30, 2018, 03:25:38 PM
Thought he had a bit of a shocker against Ipswich, touch had gone, running down blind alleys, poor decision making...then he goes and does what very few people at this level can do with a shoulder drop, his quickness of feet and shot into the corner.   If he is still here in the new year and starts to look a bit jaded I might consider giving him some bench time and playing Gayle central with JRod and HRK wide (or Sakho if he is ever fit). As we hit the winter we may need to start rotating a few players anyway as they come in and out of form to stop burn out and niggling injuries.     

Don't think the new formation suits him as much - 3-5-2 is just made for his ability to run with the ball into space at pace and finish but its part of the footballing education he is here to get to adapt.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on November 30, 2018, 03:34:46 PM
He has been really poor last 2 games yet still has the ability to change a game in a split second.
His decision making will improve with age and he is less involved out wide but I do feel he needs better movement and intelligence to get more involved by sometimes dropping deeper or moving in centrally on occasions rather than stood waiting for his turn and then trying too much.
But again I don't know what he is being asked to do by our coach who concentrates on when we have the ball.
I'm not overly convinced by Jones so far. Big Dave has changed the defensive system and made us a little more solid, time for Jones to take that on board and work out other options going forward

Agreed, i too thought he was poor in both the recent away games, with his touch being shocking.

I think he maybe a bit of a luxury in away games, but he's hit the woodwork 7 times i think so he can do something brilliant out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on November 30, 2018, 04:10:07 PM
Anyone else think he might need a break from starting every game now?
It probably would freshen him up but for all we know he could be going back to Leicester in 5 weeks time so we may as well use him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on December 14, 2018, 10:57:20 PM
From the after game chat it seems some expect perfection from him. He has 8 goals and 6 assists (which may be 8 after tonight, not sure)...that's without taking the corners so his decision making can't be that bad. Some of his assists like for Gayle's goal against Villa and one of Phillips goals, have been unselfish and very classy. Harry Wilson currently has 7 goals and 1 assist by the way.
Barnes is closely marked every game as every team knows he's a danger man. He's not going to get everything right but he'll be badly missed when he leaves whether that's January or May.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on December 15, 2018, 12:14:54 AM
All I want for christmas is a Harvey Barnes loan extension.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 15, 2018, 12:17:46 AM
The kid is unfinished and makes mistakes.  He drifts in and out but he does the kind of magic that others cannot.  Enjoy those moments while you can.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: miggybaggy on December 16, 2018, 02:37:43 PM
The kid is unfinished and makes mistakes.  He drifts in and out but he does the kind of magic that others cannot.  Enjoy those moments while you can.

He's why I'm in love with the Albion again. Such a joy after the Pulis wilderness years. We should break the bank to try and keep him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2018, 02:44:21 PM
All I want for christmas is a Harvey Barnes loan extension.

He's on a season long loan so no need for an extension..unless you meant you want him on loan next season too?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: elkiellis on December 16, 2018, 09:13:58 PM
He's on a season long loan so no need for an extension..unless you meant you want him on loan next season too?
Leicester can recall him in January
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albion79 on January 01, 2019, 03:13:45 PM
According to ian stringer (a leicester football journalist) claude puel has just said they are recalling harvey barnes back from albion.

S**t start to the new year!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggies_24 on January 01, 2019, 03:17:13 PM
According to ian stringer (a leicester football journalist) claude puel has just said they are recalling harvey barnes back from albion.

S**t start to the new year!

Huge blow if true
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 01, 2019, 03:20:41 PM
According to ian stringer (a leicester football journalist) claude puel has just said they are recalling harvey barnes back from albion.

S**t start to the new year!

His tweets generally are not especially informed or particularly reliable.

I am hoping so anyway...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: CL3MO on January 01, 2019, 03:21:55 PM
Lets just hope Dowling and Moore have got their heads together and planned for this eventuality. It was always looking likely with his form. We might actually have to spend some money to replace him!  :o
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on January 01, 2019, 03:33:23 PM
I just don't get what the point is, he's building massive confidence, improving every week and one of the first names on the teamsheet here. I don't think he's ready for the Prem just yet, all that's going to happen if he's recalled is he'll get a few sub appearances then drift back into being a benchwarmer/reserves player when he doesn't set the world alight (which i assume Claude thinks hes going to do). It's not like they're in a relegation battle or challenging for something, its just another heads above water season for them. Hopefully Harvey himself would rather stay here too, he seems like he's loving his football.

Stupid decision if true
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albion79 on January 01, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
According to the bbc leicester quotes he actually said they are looking at recalling some of their younger players and when asked if harvey barnes was one he said ‘we will see’
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 01, 2019, 03:52:18 PM
According to the bbc leicester quotes he actually said they are looking at recalling some of their younger players and when asked if harvey barnes was one he said ‘we will see’

That could mean they want commitments from Albion, players in himself or talks with Harvey.
No need for pant wetting yet.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 01, 2019, 03:53:04 PM
According to the bbc leicester quotes he actually said they are looking at recalling some of their younger players and when asked if harvey barnes was one he said ‘we will see’

I guessed this was what was said. He's not likely to volunteer the information and if asked (as he was) then he's more than likely going to sit on the fence with his answer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggies_24 on January 01, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
Leicester had Demari Gray on the bench today if Barnes goes back he’s not getting many first team opportunities. I’d hope Barnes turns around and says he’s only going back if he’s garantuee’d first team minute’s if he’s not then to keep him here for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on January 01, 2019, 04:04:28 PM
Problem is he's not our player so unless we demand a season long loan with no call back parent club can do what they like. Was a gamble that has paid of for us but as we know Jenkins probably wanted the protection of their recall or us being able to send him back early.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on January 01, 2019, 04:08:43 PM
Barnes is unlikely to get a say. It is a strange decision by Leicester, seeing as they have so many options in the squad already. Last season Puel did this to Barnsley, and then gave Barnes 3 sub appearances in the secons half of the season. From what I've heard about Puel, his play is very regimented, however Barnes at Albion has a free role. I can't see him getting many more games this season if he goes back.

Still, we knew it was likely a few months ago so we should have a replacement lined up. It isn't easy, but they are out there. We need Dowling to prove his worth now, else our top two hunt is going to tail off.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 01, 2019, 05:04:14 PM
Barnes is unlikely to get a say. It is a strange decision by Leicester, seeing as they have so many options in the squad already. Last season Puel did this to Barnsley, and then gave Barnes 3 sub appearances in the secons half of the season. From what I've heard about Puel, his play is very regimented, however Barnes at Albion has a free role. I can't see him getting many more games this season if he goes back.

Still, we knew it was likely a few months ago so we should have a replacement lined up. It isn't easy, but they are out there. We need Dowling to prove his worth now, else our top two hunt is going to tail off.
Can't see us getting anyone to match the impact of Harvey, we may as well persevere with Kyle Edwards and develop our own .
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2019, 05:15:17 PM
The actual quote from Puel was "We'll see" well no surprise there he has 4 or 5 games to go before he gets to the end of January and while his squad looks fine now by the end of the month it could look very different.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 01, 2019, 07:27:30 PM
They may not want him back for their own use. It could be Leeds trying to prise him away from us , but more likely a Premier club.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 01, 2019, 07:58:00 PM
They may not want him back for their own use. It could be Leeds trying to prise him away from us , but more likely a Premier club.
Could be nothing
Could be themseriously thinking he could fit in their team
Could be them about to sell Maddison
Could be them posturing because they want one of our players (Dawson/Gibbs/Phillips) so looking for leverage
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2019, 09:17:29 AM
I just don't get what the point is, he's building massive confidence, improving every week and one of the first names on the teamsheet here. I don't think he's ready for the Prem just yet, all that's going to happen if he's recalled is he'll get a few sub appearances then drift back into being a benchwarmer/reserves player when he doesn't set the world alight (which i assume Claude thinks hes going to do). It's not like they're in a relegation battle or challenging for something, its just another heads above water season for them. Hopefully Harvey himself would rather stay here too, he seems like he's loving his football.

Stupid decision if true

In an ideal world, if he did go back then I would hope he didn't get much game time, and if we were able to secure promotion, it would put us in a strong position to get him back in the summer.

That would be the 2nd season in a row they have called him back and not used him, he's enjoying his football here and doesn't have any pressure on him.

He's the first player we have had here in a long time that when he picks the ball up, I get excited that he will make something happen.

Our penalty against Blackburn came from him picking the ball up and being direct, running into 3 Blackburn players, we don't have many players who have the confidence to do that.

That being said, I expect him to still be here till the end of the season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tuamigos on January 05, 2019, 11:36:39 AM
His recall would depend I imagine on the incomings or outgoings at Leicester.
I'm not sure if they have the option to recall him at any time up to the deadline or if they have to give us 'notice'
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on January 06, 2019, 06:53:15 PM
Leicester going out the cup must be good thing for us, as their squad is not going to suffer from extra games.

I think Puel's upturn in results in the prem will save him from the boot, despite the Newport (congrats to them BTW) humiliation.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggiejohn on January 06, 2019, 07:25:43 PM
Leicester going out the cup must be good thing for us, as their squad is not going to suffer from extra games.

I think Puel's upturn in results in the prem will save him from the boot, despite the Newport (congrats to them BTW) humiliation.

I'm thinking the opposite, apart from James Maddison, I think Barnes is better than any Leicester attacking player on show tonight.
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him recalled.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: ttree30 on January 06, 2019, 08:53:30 PM
I'm thinking the opposite, apart from James Maddison, I think Barnes is better than any Leicester attacking player on show tonight.
Wouldn't be at all surprised to see him recalled.

Tend to agree it was a bad result for us. If that's the best their fringe players can do Puel may feel there's a lot more to lose for him by not recalling Barnes.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on January 06, 2019, 09:22:09 PM
A Sad state of affairs really that after all those years in the prem we are worried if Leicester recall one of their youth players.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on January 06, 2019, 09:35:18 PM
The result this afternoon can only be a negative I would have thought. Ignoring the fact that it is more likely Puel's system that caused them creative issues, and that there have been a run of cup shocks this weekend (I always believe that once a few names drop, others gain more confidence), Puel and the Leicester hierarchy will now panic and decide they don't have enough creativity in reserve.

I don't think Barnes will actually get that much game time under Puel as he would have to play on the wing where he is a bit quieter, plus he will have to be more defensive and disciplined so he won't shine as bright. Would be good for England if he did do well though.

I'm sure we are planning a replacement, but this is going to be the first real test of Dowling. Having been at a similar placed rival before coming to us, i'm expecting Dowling to be well placed to have some good ideas in who we bring in. Maybe there is somebody like Eddie Nketiah available?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on January 08, 2019, 06:24:02 PM
Birmingham Mail have confirmed they have until Monday to call Barnes back and expect to have a decision this week. I'm expecting Barnes to be called back either tomorrow, or after the game on Saturday (likely we have asked to keep him for a key game).

Possible that Leicester loan him back to us near the end of the window, but Puel is clearly still undecided and will want more time to make a decision. At least that's what i'd expect.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albion79 on January 09, 2019, 12:16:32 PM
Apparently Leicester are loaning Diabete to a turkish team and because of that they are recalling Barnes.

At the start of the season they had high hopes for Diabete as he did pretty good last season but he hasnt kicked on in the up and coming promising attacker position and so they loaning him out with a view to getting Barnes back and giving him a chance.

*My mate sent me as its what some leicester based journalist has said, dont know how true it is*
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on January 09, 2019, 12:42:09 PM
maybe they should loan him to us, to sugar coat the diabetes pill

i'll get my coat!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 09, 2019, 12:56:35 PM
Can't believe you had the cheek to take it off with material like that  ;D .
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggielad82 on January 09, 2019, 01:25:54 PM
Apparently Leicester are loaning Diabete to a turkish team and because of that they are recalling Barnes.

At the start of the season they had high hopes for Diabete as he did pretty good last season but he hasnt kicked on in the up and coming promising attacker position and so they loaning him out with a view to getting Barnes back and giving him a chance.

*My mate sent me as its what some leicester based journalist has said, dont know how true it is*

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/leicesters-fousseni-diabate-set-transfer-13833093

It's in the mirror too, doesn't mean it's true though. I'm hoping it's not.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 09, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter account Just

Lots of speculation flying around about Barnes. At the moment, #wba are still waiting for word from #lcfc. Based on what he's said, it does seem Puel is contemplating a recall, but Barnes just wants to play, and he's guaranteed that at Albion. But if Leicester insist...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tucka9 on January 10, 2019, 11:14:29 AM
The lad Diabate has left Leicester to turkey on loan now so I expect Barnes to be recalled in the next day or two.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 10, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
this from the Leicester Mercury, it's from the 8th Jan though.
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/latest-futures-leicester-city-duo-2408142

the last paragraphs state:

Puel said before the FA Cup exit at Newport County that there were more positives than negatives in recalling the 21-year-old, and internal discussions have continued with a final decision expected in the coming days.

However, it is now looking less likely that Barnes will be recalled and he is now expected to remain at Albion for the remainder of the season.


Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: seteefeet on January 10, 2019, 11:58:44 AM
Puel is the favourite to be the next Prem manager sacked according to "The sackrace", he's even ahead of Wagner. Seems a strange one to me, thought he was doing ok, FA Cup aside. Could affect Barnes' recall.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on January 10, 2019, 12:34:48 PM
Ar kid, who is STH at kingpower says that all is not well there,
The the tragedy with the chairman rallied them for a while but it is showing signs of unravelling again.  In his words there is a strong clique of players who wield too much influence and they saw Ranieri off and will see Puel off as well. Obviously just his opinion but it sounds perfectly plausible.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 10, 2019, 12:50:09 PM
There have been rumblings regarding style of football and discontent in the dressing room for much of the season.

Jamie Vardy has been quite vocal about his own frustrations and misgivings re' Mr Puel.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 10, 2019, 12:55:49 PM
Ar kid, who is STH at kingpower says that all is not well there,
The the tragedy with the chairman rallied them for a while but it is showing signs of unravelling again.  In his words there is a strong clique of players who wield too much influence and they saw Ranieri off and will see Puel off as well. Obviously just his opinion but it sounds perfectly plausible.

From what I've read in various media sources that seems about right. Winning the league seems to have empowered far too many egos.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 10, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
From what I've read in various media sources that seems about right. Winning the league seems to have empowered far too many egos.

Strange one really as, aside from Vardy and Schmeichel, you wouldn't keep anymore of that title winning side now. Fuchs, Simpson, Morgan, Albrighton, Okazaki, King are the only ones I can think of that are left, all of which are pretty crap
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tommcneill on January 10, 2019, 03:40:49 PM
I think Vardy is on the slide aswell...looks like a touch of pace has gone, but he was so quick he is still quicker than most but once in decline its a slope that keeps going.

On Barnes, im worried, with Puel under pressure he may take him back to give their supporters a lift. I hope im wrong.

TBH though Southampton got rid of Puel when in the top half and look at them now. Cant believe he is under pressure when 7th and a +GD
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on January 10, 2019, 08:47:04 PM
Puel’s football must be even worse than Pulis’. I can only imagine that it is all structure and no style and creativity.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 11, 2019, 10:34:23 AM
Being recalled. Devastating news. I wish Puel the worst now and hope he gets sacked  :-*
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 11, 2019, 10:35:24 AM
Being recalled. Devastating news. I wish Puel the worst now and hope he gets sacked  :-*

Source?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 11, 2019, 10:35:33 AM
Oh bugger.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gazberg on January 11, 2019, 10:35:37 AM
Yep all over Twitter. Headed back. Thanks Harvey. Wish you could have see the season out  :(
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggies_ash on January 11, 2019, 10:35:58 AM
Source?

The ever reliable John Percy
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: sammyg on January 11, 2019, 10:38:06 AM
Gutted , thanks for your efforts Harvey
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Pie on January 11, 2019, 10:39:44 AM
Well thats ruined my day. Doubt we will get anyone close to his level and ability to replace him now.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Singhwba on January 11, 2019, 10:41:44 AM
What a massive blow to our promotion challenge IF we dont replace him with a player of similar qualities. Gutted though!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: seteefeet on January 11, 2019, 10:41:59 AM
Terrible news but we'll survive. Need to get someone in quickly though, it's a pivotal role in our current formation.
Hope he takes the Prem by storm and breaks into the England squad.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggiebof on January 11, 2019, 10:44:52 AM
A huge blow, very important player for us and for my money, one of the best if not the best player in the league this season. Leicester fans I know wanted him to see the season out with us, they thought it would be better for his development in the long term. I just hope we get to keep him for the Norwich game - that doesn't seem to have been announced as of yet.

Going forward our replacements within the current squad for his role look to be:

Gayle/Rodriguez on the left with Robson-Kanu on the right
Sako in as a like for like although he is a lefty and with Gibbs attacking, an inverted wide player gives us more balance
Leko in as a like for like
Phillips moves forward

I would favour the latter however Phillips would need replacing in midfield with a genuine attacking midfielder. Phillips looked good playing from the left-wing during that purple patch under Pulis.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 11, 2019, 10:45:23 AM
Day before we play Norwich.

You w@nker Puel.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 11, 2019, 10:47:08 AM
Awful news.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: seteefeet on January 11, 2019, 10:49:19 AM
A huge blow, very important player for us and for my money, one of the best if not the best player in the league this season. Leicester fans I know wanted him to see the season out with us, they thought it would be better for his development in the long term. I just hope we get to keep him for the Norwich game - that doesn't seem to have been announced as of yet.

Going forward our replacements within the current squad for his role look to be:

Gayle/Rodriguez on the left with Robson-Kanu on the right
Sako in as a like for like although he is a lefty and with Gibbs attacking, an inverted wide player gives us more balance
Leko in as a like for like
Phillips moves forward

I would favour the latter however Phillips would need replacing in midfield with a genuine attacking midfielder. Phillips looked good playing from the left-wing during that purple patch under Pulis.
You forgot Brunt, could see him on the left with Harper in the middle.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: johnny Cash on January 11, 2019, 10:51:08 AM
Terrible decision for his progress as an individual, but with the life as a manager being so fragile you can understand why Puel would do it.

He will probably play a couple of times in Jan now but I’d be surprised if he gets 300 minutes before the end of the season 

They could have a very unhappy and discontent HB in the summer
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggiebof on January 11, 2019, 10:54:18 AM
You forgot Brunt, could see him on the left with Harper in the middle.

Playing Brunt as one of the wide forwards would really change the way that they operate. they are expected to remain high up the pitch, higher than the centre forward and look to hold up the ball, counter with pace or look to run in behind, none of which Brunt can do which is why I didn't list him as an option.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 11, 2019, 10:54:55 AM
Disaster. Bye-Bye automatic promotion. All we need now is for Jones to go too.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Floydy on January 11, 2019, 11:01:58 AM
Sadly, its no surprise to me; Leicester did the same thing with Barnsley last season. He carried them somewhat until mid-season and his departure was the start of their demise to getting relegated. His departure shouldn't have such a pronounced effect on us, but we still need a quality replacement in as soon as possible to continue the promotion push.

Barnes sometimes doesn't do enough over the whole 90 mins, but he is one of a small number of players that can create something from nothing and ultimately score match winning goals and its this quality that will impact us most and is really difficult to replace as everybody is looking for the same qualities.

If Sako had been given more time around the first team, he would be the obvious answer. However his lack of minutes and minimal impact he's made when he's played suggests this is not the solution.

Similarly, Harper could be an option in the current Matt Phillips role, allowing Phillips to play further forward. However, I don't think the coaching team will put their faith in him when there is so much at stake this season.

Hopefully our esteemed technical director has some aces up his sleeve and Jenkins gets the cheque book out. Sadly I fear neither will happen.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 11, 2019, 11:08:30 AM
Whos his replacement tomorrow then, brunt

Good luck Barnes hope to see you in the England squad soon
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on January 11, 2019, 11:09:40 AM
Whos his replacement tomorrow then, brunt


Sako I'd expect.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gavinrussell on January 11, 2019, 11:10:03 AM
Norwich supporters ecstatic over this news...lets hope Big Dave and the coaching staff always had this scenario in their plans...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 11, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
Norwich supporters ecstatic over this news...lets hope Big Dave and the coaching staff always had this scenario in their plans...
Yes its simple, lets go and get another loan man with stats that match Barnes
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 11, 2019, 11:13:09 AM
I'm still Hopeful we're allowed to keep him for one last hurrah tomorrow before he goes back!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on January 11, 2019, 11:14:53 AM
Still seen nothing official about Barnes returning to Leicester but if it's true that's Leicester's right, that's the risk you take with loan players.

However to recall him the bay before a top of the table clash when they could've called him back any time throught the past week shows a real lack of class on Puel's part.

Life goes on, someone else has to step up.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 11, 2019, 11:18:34 AM
I'm still Hopeful we're allowed to keep him for one last hurrah tomorrow before he goes back!
Not a chance
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: seteefeet on January 11, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
Playing Brunt as one of the wide forwards would really change the way that they operate. they are expected to remain high up the pitch, higher than the centre forward and look to hold up the ball, counter with pace or look to run in behind, none of which Brunt can do which is why I didn't list him as an option.
Wouldn't be my preferred option either, but we have to accept that he is one.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: elminius on January 11, 2019, 11:21:52 AM
Whos his replacement tomorrow then, brunt

With big daves comments this week about our kids going out on loan then brunt is nailed on replacement for livermore tomorrow alongside barry!! :o
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: miggybaggy on January 11, 2019, 11:24:23 AM
We all knew it was coming, but Christ, I feel sick to the stomach. We'll do well now to reach the play-offs IMO.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: popmonkey on January 11, 2019, 11:26:30 AM
If they knew they were going to recall him, they should've done it last week before the FA Cup, and given us time to plan a replacement. To do it the day before we play a promotion rival is disgusting.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Smethwickender93 on January 11, 2019, 11:27:14 AM
Always the chance with this - thats the problem with loans. You never know it could be like what we done with Fitzwater to recall him to check progress.

Harvey come back  :(
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggiejohn on January 11, 2019, 11:41:31 AM
If they knew they were going to recall him, they should've done it last week before the FA Cup, and given us time to plan a replacement. To do it the day before we play a promotion rival is disgusting.

It could well have been agreed days ago between the clubs, we don't know where John Percy (who broke it on Twitter) got his information from.
Knowing that the recall was a possibility & more recently a probability, it's almost inconceivable to think that there's no contingency.
We also don't know when the recall starts from, HB could well play tomorrow.
We'll probably know more when DM holds his presser.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: koren on January 11, 2019, 11:48:34 AM
It's a big blow for us.
Hope the club the find a suitable replacement in the market.
if not, Sako should start while Leko or Edwards on the bench, rather than sign Giles Barnes.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Powelly on January 11, 2019, 11:51:22 AM
It could well have been agreed days ago between the clubs, we don't know where John Percy (who broke it on Twitter) got his information from.
Knowing that the recall was a possibility & more recently a probability, it's almost inconceivable to think that there's no contingency.
We also don't know when the recall starts from, HB could well play tomorrow.
We'll probably know more when DM holds his presser.

Puel also has his today so all will be revealed
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Mister AT on January 11, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
One positive could be if he doesn’t get any game time by end of the season, may be more open to a move to us in the summer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tommcneill on January 11, 2019, 11:58:27 AM
Gutted he’s gone...good luck to him

Puel is now under pressure to play him though, if he doesn’t he could have a problem on his hands
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gazberg on January 11, 2019, 11:59:06 AM
Alan Nixon saying considering Giles Barnes on a free again not as a replacement. Clearly doesn't know how our board works.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: smethwick2 on January 11, 2019, 12:02:41 PM
Gutted like all, obviously. However I seriously doubt that Albion don't have some sort of contingency for this as its been rumoured it could happen for a while and there was always a recall option. I imagine there is already a shortlist of potential replacements and with where we are in the league its an attractive loan option for someone on the fringes in the Prem. Alternative to that if Lai is prepared to put his hand in his pocket we could attract some of the other quality wingers in the league to join us (thats a big if).
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 11, 2019, 12:12:05 PM
It's on the BBC site. Very serious blow as Harvey has a very strong shout for Championship player of the season so far....let alone our player of the season.

Thanks for the excitement and consistent quality and effort Harvey and good luck.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: hardtobeat on January 11, 2019, 12:19:25 PM
Big loss and most annoying that they have left so late in the week to exercise their option when I would assume all the planning for tomorrow would have been done presumably with HB firmly in our team plans !! >:(
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggies_24 on January 11, 2019, 12:29:46 PM
Really gutted about this I just hope Leicester’s give him a chance in the first team as he has the ability to be a really good player.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on January 11, 2019, 12:39:28 PM
Gutted.  We have no one with magic if he isn't in the team.  This might be pivotal for the match tomorrow as well.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 11, 2019, 12:46:44 PM
Big loss and most annoying that they have left so late in the week to exercise their option when I would assume all the planning for tomorrow would have been done presumably with HB firmly in our team plans !! >:(

Agreed, and Barnes is unlikely to feature for them for a similar reason. Lose this one and their ‘whispering frog’  of a manager is possibly toast from what I read!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: 17GD on January 11, 2019, 12:57:48 PM
Agreed, and Barnes is unlikely to feature for them for a similar reason. Lose this one and their ‘whispering frog’  of a manager is possibly toast from what I read!

I hope he gets sacked now purely for doing this.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: timdon on January 11, 2019, 01:03:26 PM
We'll miss him a lot, gave us goals, attacking impetus, and great entertainment. May well be the end of our automatic promotion hopes - he made that much of a difference to the team.
But people who are complaining about him being recalled haven't got much of an argument in my humble. He is their player and they have every right to recall him if they want. Unless we had negotiated a season long loan, we knew that it was always going to be a risk. For this reason, we should have a back up plan, but I'm not confident about that.
In the medium term it should teach us a valuable lesson. You don't loan players from other clubs unless it's for the whole season. Otherwise, if you think that the team needs strengthening, you either buy the players that you want, or you find youngsters to develop until they are good enough (and you give them chances to prove that they are)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Powelly on January 11, 2019, 01:07:37 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/january/barnes-recalled-by-leicester/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/january/barnes-recalled-by-leicester/)

Officially confirmed now  :'(

Harvey Barnes has today been recalled by his parent club Leicester City.

The England Under-21 international returns to the King Power Stadium with immediate effect.

“We’re obviously very disappointed to see Harvey go as he has clearly played an important role for the team over the first half of this season,” said Head Coach Darren Moore.

“He has been a pleasure to work with and a popular figure within the Club. We are proud to have played a role in his development and we have nothing but good wishes for him in his future career.

“Harvey grasped his opportunity and I am now confident that some of the many talented young players here will follow his example.”

Harvey scored nine goals in 26 appearances for Albion and his exciting progress brought further international recognition with a first call-up for England’s Under-21s.

On behalf of all the players, staff and supporters at West Bromwich Albion, we thank Harvey for his efforts and offer our best wishes for his future career.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 11, 2019, 01:08:47 PM
Horrible news - that is the price you pay when you rely on loanees to get you promotion.

Big pressure on the board now to find a replacement - ideally one we own.

Also puts a bit more pressure on Moore to utilise more of Harper and Leko.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: don1thedon on January 11, 2019, 01:11:57 PM
A big loss for sure & most frustrated that it happens 24 hours before a top of the table clash!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 11, 2019, 01:17:29 PM
Won't get game time at Leicester as he has no interest in the dirty side of the game.


Disappointing news but certainly not the end of the world.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Wigmore on January 11, 2019, 01:22:13 PM
We'll miss him a lot, gave us goals, attacking impetus, and great entertainment. May well be the end of our automatic promotion hopes - he made that much of a difference to the team.
But people who are complaining about him being recalled haven't got much of an argument in my humble. He is their player and they have every right to recall him if they want. Unless we had negotiated a season long loan, we knew that it was always going to be a risk. For this reason, we should have a back up plan, but I'm not confident about that.
In the medium term it should teach us a valuable lesson. You don't loan players from other clubs unless it's for the whole season.Otherwise, if you think that the team needs strengthening, you either buy the players that you want, or you find youngsters to develop until they are good enough (and you give them chances to prove that they are)
Sadly, it is not down to the loaning club to set the rules. I'd like to applaud Moore for noticing him last season and getting him to join us (even if it was transitory).
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: smethwick2 on January 11, 2019, 01:23:00 PM
Won't get game time at Leicester as he has no interest in the dirty side of the game.


Disappointing news but certainly not the end of the world.

I do feel for Harvey in all this. Clearly was enjoying his time here, starring in a lot of games and now will go and warm the bench at Leicester. Don't imagine it is going to help his development
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on January 11, 2019, 01:27:16 PM
I do feel for Harvey in all this. Clearly was enjoying his time here, starring in a lot of games and now will go and warm the bench at Leicester. Don't imagine it is going to help his development


Agreed.

I don't actually see how Leicester benefit by recalling him. Seems an extremely strange move.

Still, it's their prerogative.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 11, 2019, 01:27:56 PM
Won't get game time at Leicester as he has no interest in the dirty side of the game.


Disappointing news but certainly not the end of the world.

I agree. Barnes will be a loss no doubt, but he was but one member of a strong side and isn't that good that he is irreplaceable. I would be more gutted if we lost Philips or Gayle personally.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: ashdoy on January 11, 2019, 01:29:29 PM
Feel obliged to having to note down my feelings towards Barnes.

Thank you for restoring my faith in football, and more importantly, the Albion.

Got me off my feet more times this year than anybody else has in the past decade.

Top 5 best players/biggest impacts i've seen grace our club.

All the best, maybe one day we'll see you back.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Andio on January 11, 2019, 01:32:35 PM
Always had a feeling this day would come, to say I'm gutted would be an understatement.

Thanks for the memories Harvey and good luck with the rest of your career.

Awful timing by Puel as well, doing it the day before a top of the table clash, hope you get sacked.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: wodenson46 on January 11, 2019, 01:39:38 PM
Thanks for your efforts Harvey, good luck for the rest of your career. Hope the bench at Leicester gets too cold and you get a ticket to play for us back here in the future. You will be welcome. Puel has the right to recall him, but just before a top of the table clash with little time for us to adjust is sheer arrogance. No more than I would expect though from  such a diving cheating and so far very lucky outfit. Onwards and hopefully upwards with our OWN players now COYB
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on January 11, 2019, 01:43:27 PM
Sad to see quality player go all the best harvey that's automatic promotion out of the window now.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: seteefeet on January 11, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
When you get hit with a blow like this you can either feel sorry for yourself and crumble or pull together and become even stronger. The impression I get of the current team spirit is that we will do the latter.
The fact that Barnes himself didn't want to go, and Jones has turned down a massive opportunity elsewhere, certainly suggest that we have the right attitude.
I would put the Norwich team photo up on the changing room wall with Puel's face stuck on every one of them. Use the anger and disappointment to our advantage.
HRK 1st goal 3-1
COYB
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on January 11, 2019, 01:46:52 PM
Sad to see quality player go all the best harvey that's automatic promotion out of the window now.
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Bloody hell talk about knee jerk reactions.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Critical Baggie on January 11, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Gutted to hear this. Talk about a manager putting his own interests before one of Englands most promising players.

Strangely however, if Barnes doesn't get the time he wants on the pitch whilst he's back at Leicester for the run in and we do go up, I think we'll be in better position to sign him than if he stayed. Got to somehow fill the void though. Hope Big Dave has a back-up!

Thanks Harvey for helping make this such an enjoyable season to date, we won't forget you lightly!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albion79 on January 11, 2019, 01:59:04 PM
Massive blow but its what we do now that counts.

The club would of known there was a chance this would happen so i would hope they are already making moves to replace Barnes. In an ideal world our own youngsters (Edwards or Leko) would step in but until the FA cup match they had not even made the bench let alone play, so i dont think will be an option.

To get a player similar to Barnes will be very difficult, they are out there and you just have to hope our scouts and recruitment know where! Barnes was the sort of player who would be 5/10 then produce something out of nothing and that makes him a 9/10, we havent had a player like that since Odemwingie.

Like i say those players are around but they are scare, i think we will go for a more consistent 7/10 type player but what you gain in some ways on Barnes, you lose in others.

No player is irreplaceable and we have enough players for this level already who should do a job and i think we would still make play offs anyway, however to go for automatic we do need a replacement.

I know some people are saying he may come back before the end of the window but it would be foolish to plan for that, if he did it would be a bonus.

Personally i think Puel will either play him near enough straight away, as Barnes is a leicester fan who is in form, its a chance for Puel to build some bridges with the fans who have started to turn, however if he doesnt play in there next couple of games i also wouldnt be surprised to see him loaned to a lower premier league club (i think if he plays for leicester he cant sign for another team due to the 2 teams a season rule?)

Its what happens now that counts, over to the board and recruitment team.......
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: mifos on January 11, 2019, 01:59:37 PM
Gutted, but in the longer term there is little point getting promoted if its mainly due to players who are on loan to us.
If they have a great season they're likely to be recalled and we'd need to fill the gaps in the close season, so would end up going into the prem with a new/unproven team. We need to sign players of Harvey's calibre as our own and be in control of the squad; time to invest Mr Chairman.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: skyclad99 on January 11, 2019, 01:59:42 PM
We have to be realistic here, we all knew that this day would come, and if we knew it then I am sure that Darren & co knew it as well, and have contingency plans. Harvey is a great player and one of the best we have seen for some time. But he occasionally had quiet games, or has been marked out of games. Don't get me wrong, he's very good but there are 11 players on the pitch last time I looked, and he wasn't winning games on his own.
It may be that he goes back to Leicester, does not have the same impact there, comes up for sale in the summer and we buy him. However, I think that stating that automatic promotion is now gone because of the recall is a bit over the top........
Great player, pleasure to see him and I hope he wears the Albion shirt again, but if he doesnt then I can only wish him all the very best.   
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Mikkyk on January 11, 2019, 02:17:47 PM
Gutted, but in the longer term there is little point getting promoted if its mainly due to players who are on loan to us.
If they have a great season they're likely to be recalled and we'd need to fill the gaps in the close season, so would end up going into the prem with a new/unproven team. We need to sign players of Harvey's calibre as our own and be in control of the squad; time to invest Mr Chairman.

This is the one positive (/silver lining) in this. As a wider problem we have a lot of old, short term contract, on loan players which is an issue to address.

We can start by purchasing a sub 30 year old winger.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on January 11, 2019, 02:48:29 PM
Bad outcome but we can't lick our wounds, the club knows what it has to do. We still have time and can make this right. He's not irreplaceable, but that's not me being ungrateful, I'm thankful for what he has done. That said, there will be a lot of anger back towards the club if we go down the cheap route, so im hopeful we can make a statement by signing us someone who will solidify our top 6 spot. Im not expecting autos now this has happened, i think playoffs has to be our aim realistically.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: frazzle on January 11, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
At least it stops those moaning about our best two players being on loan. I’m not convinced we need to replace him - in Sako we have the potential replacement. Or we move Phillips and bring Harper or Edwards in to midfield.

He is a big loss though and it does make you wonder if we could end up changing formation.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 11, 2019, 03:14:17 PM
Won't get game time at Leicester as he has no interest in the dirty side of the game.


Disappointing news but certainly not the end of the world.
Bit harsh....he's obviously played to the remit he's been given with us. He doesn't hide when he's clattered. If you're thinking of the tracking back stuff, who says he won't do it if that's what is asked of him ?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gavinrussell on January 11, 2019, 03:38:03 PM
If Gray is getting into the Leicester side I'm sure Harvey will get some game time....he was useless against Newport..but then they all were...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: caravanc58 on January 11, 2019, 03:44:24 PM
i think he'll be missed a lot more than some think. said it before if you take Barnes and Gayle out we have a very average first 11. can he be replaced with someone equally as good? now Moore needs the club's backing to give us a shot of automatic promotion.
Barnes is the last player we needed to lose, he's played a major role in bringing the excitement back up the Hawthornes and wish him a great future.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 11, 2019, 03:56:01 PM
If anything Barnes has done a bit too well which made his recall happen. If we had Leko or Edwards out on loan at a top league 1 side and they had the collection of outstanding goals and assists that Barnes has we would be screaming for them to be recalled and put in the team.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 11, 2019, 04:12:03 PM
Disasterous. I can't see us replacing what he brought to the team. Gutted is not the word.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 11, 2019, 04:21:15 PM
Well that's a huge blow for our assault on promotion. We have been over reliant on Barnes and Gayle. What a signing he was.

I wonder if we will change our shape as a result of this or will we actually give some game time to leko or Edwards?

Most obvious replacement would be matt Phillips which would allow manager to play Harper alongside Barry/Brunt & Morrison/Livermore. Or alternatively sako and hoolahan are going to play.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: 17GD on January 11, 2019, 04:45:14 PM
At least it stops those moaning about our best two players being on loan. I’m not convinced we need to replace him - in Sako we have the potential replacement. Or we move Phillips and bring Harper or Edwards in to midfield.

He is a big loss though and it does make you wonder if we could end up changing formation.

In my opinion Sako is awful and no where near the quality of Barnes.

I think we're going to struggle now. Hope I'm proved wrong of course.

At least we have time in this window to bring someone in. Problem is we rarely do business in January and anyone who does come in is likely to be another loan. If the club is serious about getting back up we need to invest and not keep relying on loans.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: WBArgo on January 11, 2019, 04:50:19 PM
Big, big blow here. Arguably our  best ever Championship player, surely they could have recalled him on Monday and not the day before our biggest game of the season.

I think at times he's carried us this season and single handedly turned games for us, I would say he's the difference between automatic and play-off spots and can't be replaced  :'(
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: albion59 on January 11, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
Just like to wish Harvey all the best for the future. Thanks for your effort, performances and goals the time we have had you, I hope you go on and have  great success  in the game. A very good player who will be missed once again good luck and thank you.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 11, 2019, 05:00:18 PM
I honestly believe we are in a better position now than at the start of the season, the club ownership and management did not know how the team and Big Dave and staff would perform and would therefor not take any risks.

We are now in the promotion playoffs positions and have the experience of how our opponents play, their strengths and weaknesses, we know what we need and based on the first half of the year also know what players will fit the bill to strengthen our squad.

So we have lost a loan player, an unknown who probably exceeded expectations,  yes we need to replace him, I believe that as a well run club (the Baggies are) we would have planned for losing Barnes and will have already approached clubs to sound out a possible replacement.

Panic not  8)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: frazzle on January 11, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
I honestly believe we are in a better position now than at the start of the season, the club ownership and management did not know how the team and Big Dave and staff would perform and would therefor not take any risks.

We are now in the promotion playoffs positions and have the experience of how our opponents play, their strengths and weaknesses, we know what we need and based on the first half of the year also know what players will fit the bill to strengthen our squad.

So we have lost a loan player, an unknown who probably exceeded expectations,  yes we need to replace him, I believe that as a well run club (the Baggies are) we would have planned for losing Barnes and will have already approached clubs to sound out a possible replacement.

Panic not  8)

Love it. An uplifting post on this form. Love it.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 11, 2019, 05:11:37 PM
Just like to wish Harvey all the best for the future. Thanks for your effort, performances and goals the time we have had you, I hope you go on and have  great success  in the game. A very good player who will be missed once again good luck and thank you.
Seconded - thanks for everything Harvey
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggiejohn on January 11, 2019, 05:18:57 PM
Just watched DM's pre-match interview on the OS.

1 - He says "we spoke to Harvey this morning", which would suggest that Leicester didn't tell us until this morning. Bearing in mind there is a condition in FA protocol that clubs should respect each other, I can't see much respect there from Leicester.

2 - He also says that there are some very good players (on the fringes of our first team) in our football club. & Barnes leaving gives them an opportunity to step up.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: alwaysbilly on January 11, 2019, 05:24:12 PM
So Cheque book likely to stay closed and we use what we have

Might as well throw Leko and edwards at it to back up Phillips who should play that role now
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 11, 2019, 05:26:53 PM
For now I'd prefer throwing Leko or Edwards at the Barnes role and keep Phillips where he is.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: we8seals on January 11, 2019, 05:34:53 PM
At least it stops those moaning about our best two players being on loan. I’m not convinced we need to replace him - in Sako we have the potential replacement. Or we move Phillips and bring Harper or Edwards in to midfield.

He is a big loss though and it does make you wonder if we could end up changing formation.

We dont need to replace him - but he is a big loss???  Hmmmm.... makes no sense - however the second part of that is almost right he will be a HUGE LOSS! He is a player who creates something from nothing and despite periods in games where he can appear annonymous he has been the most influential player for us accross the season as a whole. Not to mention being a player who can get the crowd buzzing. He does not get injured, he does not complain and despite comments about lack of physicality seems largely unfased by the treatment dished out by opposition players who regularly take turns to kick him.
We have no one remotely like him and without the chaos he causes i very much doubt that either Gayle or JRod will be anything like as prolific.
Its a lesson in what can happen when you are reliant on loan signings and are unable to secure season long deals - i accept its not always possible as the cards are stacked against the club doing the loaning.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gerry m on January 11, 2019, 05:37:56 PM
Thanks for your efforts and good luck Harvey!. Mr Lai the ball is in your court now.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: we8seals on January 11, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
Just watched DM's pre-match interview on the OS.

1 - He says "we spoke to Harvey this morning", which would suggest that Leicester didn't tell us until this morning. Bearing in mind there is a condition in FA protocol that clubs should respect each other, I can't see much respect there from Leicester.

2 - He also says that there are some very good players (on the fringes of our first team) in our football club. & Barnes leaving gives them an opportunity to step up.

If they were that bloody good they would be in the team or coming off the bench - and if he is talking about his usual suspect subs then whether they are very good players or not they are certainly not as good as Barnes. Now i realise that you can be glass half full or glass half empty about how good a job Big Dave has done - but im afraid some of his press conference and post game utterances are embarassing!
Mid table mediocrity here we come (which to be fair is exactly where my expectations were)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: timdon on January 11, 2019, 05:58:19 PM
Big, big blow here. Arguably our  best ever Championship player, surely they could have recalled him on Monday and not the day before our biggest game of the season.

I think at times he's carried us this season and single handedly turned games for us, I would say he's the difference between automatic and play-off spots and can't be replaced  :'(
Him and Dorrans.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Dudleylad on January 11, 2019, 06:10:43 PM
I have a feeling he will be back soon enough.

As much as he is good at this level hes not at the level in my view Leicester would require for him to be a starter at this level.

He may have to return to Leicester but he wont be happy if hes not going to feature and may request a move before the end of the window.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 11, 2019, 06:11:22 PM
Agreed, I can see him back here before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on January 11, 2019, 06:11:29 PM
I would say he's the difference between automatic and play-off spots and can't be replaced  :'(
Why not? Plenty of good wingers out there, just have to go and find them!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on January 11, 2019, 06:12:57 PM
Love it. An uplifting post on this form. Love it.
A rarity i'll be honest. A lot of 'end of the world' style posts today (I'm not saying it's good news but i think we should see how we perform in our next few)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 11, 2019, 06:14:00 PM
Why not? Plenty of good wingers out there, just have to go and find them!

I'm sure we can find them...but we won't be paying for them.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 11, 2019, 06:22:34 PM
I honestly believe we are in a better position now than at the start of the season, the club ownership and management did not know how the team and Big Dave and staff would perform and would therefor not take any risks.

We are now in the promotion playoffs positions and have the experience of how our opponents play, their strengths and weaknesses, we know what we need and based on the first half of the year also know what players will fit the bill to strengthen our squad.

So we have lost a loan player, an unknown who probably exceeded expectations,  yes we need to replace him, I believe that as a well run club (the Baggies are) we would have planned for losing Barnes and will have already approached clubs to sound out a possible replacement.

Panic not  8)

Excellent post. I'm not going to try and pretend that losing Barnes isn't a big disappointment, but I believe he is replaceable. It would be harder to find a replacement for Philips (our true player of the season) or Gayle (the best striker in the division). Even Rodriguez offers more to the team overall than Barnes in my view and is a more complete all round player.

The team is in a strong position and it is all to play for. Even without Barnes we have one of the best starting XI's in the division and there is still close to three weeks left of this window to bring in a player or two and as you rightly say our position may induce those in charge of the purse-strings to now be a little less risk averse. DM has also intimated that the young players have a chance to stake a place in the side, so things could get interesting on that score.

Today has been a bummer for sure, but there's far from a need to panic.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: AlbionBest on January 11, 2019, 06:39:01 PM
No major domiciled but a massive blow until we get a replacement as I don’t think we have anyone who can step into the first team with pace and skill to frighten defenders and make such an impact on games.
Really enjoyed his spell with us and very disrespectful from Leicester recalling him on the eve of such s big game.
Still, over to the Board now to get a replacement in as remember that we have already shipped out our other young pacey forward Burke.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 11, 2019, 06:47:41 PM
Him and Dorrans.


Koumas far better than both. Maresca too.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: CL3MO on January 11, 2019, 07:11:23 PM
It's a real, real blow but come on, we all expected it didn't we?

So, the real question is... have Dowling and the board prepared for this eventuality? You just know that the board have had no plan in place other than a cheap, shoddy loan to cover central midfield and leave Phillips and Sako to cover the wings.

Time to find out...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 11, 2019, 07:17:30 PM
I have a feeling he will be back soon enough.

As much as he is good at this level hes not at the level in my view Leicester would require for him to be a starter at this level.

He may have to return to Leicester but he wont be happy if hes not going to feature and may request a move before the end of the window.
I don't think he's the sort of lad who would have a strop within 3 weeks of going back - suspect he's also not dull and won't expect to start every game. He obviously wouldn't be happy if he didn't have decent game time over the 2nd half of the season but the window will be shut by the time that point arrives.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Cullompton baggie on January 11, 2019, 07:39:06 PM
We need to get over the loss of Barnes, he was never ours to keep! always a chance with any loan player- that if they are good! parent club would recall them!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on January 11, 2019, 07:43:56 PM
I'd expect Giles Barnes to sign just so the club don't have to get rid of Harvey's top
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2019, 08:02:27 PM
Losing Barnes doesn't have to be so painful.

Phillips stepping up into Barnes position isn't so bad I think, he's easily one of the best wingers in the league. More than capable of getting goals and assists.

For now I'd give Harper an audition in central midfield in place of Phillips for the next 3 games. Who knows, maybe we'll be rewarded like Leeds and Norwich have with their academy players who've been given chances this season. If not, there's time in the transfer window to shop around. It's a shame we didn't go for Kieran Dowell when he was available, he was doing extremely well at Forest last year till Karanka came in.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adamstv on January 11, 2019, 08:42:49 PM
Disasterous. I can't see us replacing what he brought to the team. Gutted is not the word.

Ditto . Live in Leicester and they ( the fans) don’t think he’ll get in the team. If not will be gutted
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gavinrussell on January 11, 2019, 08:51:18 PM
Leicester play the Dingles on the 19th..would be nice if he came on at some stage and scored the winner...pulled his shirt up to reveal 1-5......
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tommcneill on January 11, 2019, 08:59:17 PM
I find his recall strange considering Leicester are apparently after Jarrod Bowen from Hull
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 11, 2019, 09:32:29 PM

Koumas far better than both. Maresca too.
Not at all, Barnes is Koumas with a brain.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: elkiellis on January 11, 2019, 09:53:24 PM
Gutted by this,as soon as Leicester lost to Newport in the cup,this was a certainty to happen,i really hope I am wrong but this kid was the difference between a play off place and mid table and was a joy to watch too.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 11, 2019, 10:28:36 PM
Not at all, Barnes is Koumas with a brain.

Can't agree with that. Koumas was all footballing 'brain' carrying a lack of athleticism, speed and physicality. Barnes is naturally athletic with great acceleration and produces brief moments of class when acting on instinct, but when he has time to 'think' he quite often exhibits poor decision making. In this respect Koumas at his best was much better than Barnes.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 11, 2019, 10:31:30 PM
Agreed, I can see him back here before the end of the window.
Is it true if he makes an appearance for Leicester the only team he could go back out on loan to would be us(because you can't play for more than two clubs in one season) wouldn't want him to go out on loan to one of our rivals.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 11, 2019, 10:50:19 PM
Can't agree with that. Koumas was all footballing 'brain' carrying a lack of athleticism, speed and physicality. Barnes is naturally athletic with great acceleration and produces brief moments of class when acting on instinct, but when he has time to 'think' he quite often exhibits poor decision making. In this respect Koumas at his best was much better than Barnes.
You've said it there 'Koumas at his best' - did he feature so strongly game in game out for half a season ? Barnes attacking game is all at high pace which it needs to be in the modern game. He wouldn't have had that many goals and assists if his decision making was poor.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: timdon on January 11, 2019, 10:53:51 PM

Koumas far better than both. Maresca too.
Thought you might bite  :) Koumas was very talented but erratic; Dorrans was more consistent, more of a team player, and scored more goals. Maresca was pre Championship wasn't he?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 11, 2019, 11:00:30 PM
Thought you might bite  :) Koumas was very talented but erratic; Dorrans was more consistent, more of a team player, and scored more goals. Maresca was pre Championship wasn't he?


Brunt was actually the top scorer in the Championship for us in Dorrans season. And he wasn't on penalties, Dorrans was a flat track bully who hid in the big games. Barnes isn't our best player this season never mind ever in the division.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: KN22 on January 11, 2019, 11:13:08 PM
Agreed, I can see him back here before the end of the window.

I love the optimism here but don’t buy it. He returns to Leicester on 11 January but returns to us within 3 weeks. Why??? We must accept that he’s gone and won’t be back. Thanks for your efforts Harvey.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: timdon on January 11, 2019, 11:23:29 PM

Brunt was actually the top scorer in the Championship for us in Dorrans season. And he wasn't on penalties, Dorrans was a flat track bully who hid in the big games. Barnes isn't our best player this season never mind ever in the division.
I didn't actually claim that he was the top scorer that season, though he was (equal with Brunt). Harvey Barnes has a better record than both of them though.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheBrom on January 11, 2019, 11:40:52 PM
The main thing that annoys me is the timing of all this. He's not going to play for Leicester this weekend so couldn't it have waited until after the Norwich game? Don't understand it at all.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 11, 2019, 11:44:50 PM
You've said it there 'Koumas at his best' - did he feature so strongly game in game out for half a season ? Barnes attacking game is all at high pace which it needs to be in the modern game. He wouldn't have had that many goals and assists if his decision making was poor.

By Koumas at his best I didn't just mean the odd performance, but during his peak years. You think that Koumas didn't feature strongly game in game out for half a season? Perhaps you're joking. Koumas was the Championship player of the 2006-2007 season, and was in the Championship team of the season on at least one other occasion.

You mention pace in the modern game. Read my post. I say that Barnes is athletic and has pace but his decision making is lacking, which in my opinion it is. Koumas was more the opposite, a highly intelligent footballer who lacked natural athleticism.

As to Barnes' decision making, I am talking about this attribute as it is applied throughout a match on every aspect of a players performance. I've seen enough of Barnes to see that he needs to improve massively in this area. In fact it's probably at least partly why he was loaned out in the first place. This improvement might come with time and experience but these things aren't guaranteed.

Barnes is not only not the best Championship player Albion have had, he's not even the best player we have this season. I'm not saying he's not going to be missed, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as what people seem to believe.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 11, 2019, 11:46:03 PM

Brunt was actually the top scorer in the Championship for us in Dorrans season. And he wasn't on penalties, Dorrans was a flat track bully who hid in the big games. Barnes isn't our best player this season never mind ever in the division.

Bingo.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: albion59 on January 12, 2019, 12:05:26 AM
Barnes as been our best player this season. Not best player for us  in this division ever. Neither was koumas but Dorrans was better than both. Didn't go missing and wasn't a bully in fact if he had shown a bit more aggression he would have been outstanding.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: geoff on January 12, 2019, 12:24:39 AM
Cheers Harvey & all the best for the future.
 
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on January 12, 2019, 03:17:52 AM
Let's be real, the kids a special talent and I believe will be in the England team before long. I think us and Leicester were mutually benefiting from the loan so its a shame rhey cut it short.

I do think it's telling how he hasn't posted on social media about it today, suggests that he wasn't overjoyed at it happening imo. It's a big loss but it's time for our DoF to shine after this difficult (but predictable) situation and replace him. In Big Dave we trust
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: leeiswba on January 12, 2019, 08:11:29 AM
Barnes or especially Dorrans wouldn’t  get any where near Koumas in my opinion. Class above Koumas was.

Think Barnes may well get there one day but for me Dorrans no where near the other 2
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: baggiejohn on January 12, 2019, 08:44:58 AM
The main thing that annoys me is the timing of all this. He's not going to play for Leicester this weekend so couldn't it have waited until after the Norwich game? Don't understand it at all.

The article on the official LCFC website, suggests he will be in the squad for this weekend, but I agree, the timing was disrespectful.

I watched the Leicester game against Newport & they are definitely missing Mahrez, I suspect Puel will try Barnes in that role.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 12, 2019, 10:05:40 AM
Oh well.

He was here and now he's gone, time for others to step up.

Into Norwich today Albion.

COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 12, 2019, 10:17:54 AM
Can we keep this to Harvey Barnes please, if you wish to discuss or compare with previous midfielders then there is the option of starting a new topic
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 12, 2019, 11:32:42 AM
By Koumas at his best I didn't just mean the odd performance, but during his peak years. You think that Koumas didn't feature strongly game in game out for half a season? Perhaps you're joking. Koumas was the Championship player of the 2006-2007 season, and was in the Championship team of the season on at least one other occasion.

You mention pace in the modern game. Read my post. I say that Barnes is athletic and has pace but his decision making is lacking, which in my opinion it is. Koumas was more the opposite, a highly intelligent footballer who lacked natural athleticism.

As to Barnes' decision making, I am talking about this attribute as it is applied throughout a match on every aspect of a players performance. I've seen enough of Barnes to see that he needs to improve massively in this area. In fact it's probably at least partly why he was loaned out in the first place. This improvement might come with time and experience but these things aren't guaranteed.

Barnes is not only not the best Championship player Albion have had, he's not even the best player we have this season. I'm not saying he's not going to be missed, but I don't think he's anywhere near as good as what people seem to believe.
It's difficult to judge these things but quite simply if you took his contributions out they would be missed more than contributions by any other player this season. He's turned games and won games. Moore summed it up when he said his control at pace and in tight situations is exceptional. Anyone who does things at pace isn't going to get everything right but it's difficult to argue against his record. He is comfortably our top player this year in my book with Phillips 2nd and Gayle 3rd.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Baggies on January 12, 2019, 11:37:30 AM
He leaves a huge hole in the team. We might be able to patch up the gap temporarily by moving the team around to fit Hoolahan or Sako, but Barnes was more dangerous than both of them and if we want to get promotion this year, Dowling and Moore must pull something out of the bag.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albion79 on January 12, 2019, 12:26:55 PM
I was talking to a mate this morning (the one who knows the leicester journalist and who said exactly how things were going to happen) and apparently Barnes nor his agent were in a great rush to go back to Leicester.

Barnes by all accounts genuinely loved it at the Albion, but with leicesters season now pretty much over (safe in the league and out the cups) Puel wants a look at him as he knows he could get fans onside being a local lad, it was always their plan to get him back in january and see how he is progressing.

Barnes is desperate to make it at Leicester as he is also a big fan  and isnt looking to move permanent but if he goes back and doesnt play regular and Puel is still in charge next season then apparently he will possibly look to leave for good.

From Leicesters side they play today and next week and he may play some part and then have a ten day break (where they are looking to go away) where they will have a good look at Barnes as Puel wasnt convinced by him in preseason, if that hasnt changed by the end of the window, they may look to loan him back to us but there has to be a few things happen before that scenario!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Standaman on January 12, 2019, 12:44:29 PM
I was talking to a mate this morning (the one who knows the leicester journalist and who said exactly how things were going to happen) and apparently Barnes nor his agent were in a great rush to go back to Leicester.

Barnes by all accounts genuinely loved it at the Albion, but with leicesters season now pretty much over (safe in the league and out the cups) Puel wants a look at him as he knows he could get fans onside being a local lad, it was always their plan to get him back in january and see how he is progressing.

Barnes is desperate to make it at Leicester as he is also a big fan  and isnt looking to move permanent but if he goes back and doesnt play regular and Puel is still in charge next season then apparently he will possibly look to leave for good.

From Leicesters side they play today and next week and he may play some part and then have a ten day break (where they are looking to go away) where they will have a good look at Barnes as Puel wasnt convinced by him in preseason, if that hasnt changed by the end of the window, they may look to loan him back to us but there has to be a few things happen before that scenario!

Thanks for this feel sorry for the kid being pulled back for a bit of PR for an unpopular Head Coach who has no real intent to play him.


He leaves a huge hole in the team. We might be able to patch up the gap temporarily by moving the team around to fit Hoolahan or Sako, but Barnes was more dangerous than both of them and if we want to get promotion this year, Dowling and Moore must pull something out of the bag.

Having given it some thought the gap Barnes has left is less problematic than the opposite flank where our choices are HRK Sako or Brunt. If we are to persist with the 4-3-3 we have 4 right footed players who might fill in the left wide attacker spot.

1. Gayle if we are not playing him as a Centre Forward the left side wide striker role is a more natural fit than the right sided one.

2. Philips my feeling on him is that he has the combination of skill and physical strength to be ideal in this role I still think it his best position. Although moving him here leaves a gap in midfield (Harper anyone?)

3. Leko a youngster that has all the skill okay needs to work on his decision making but will not progress without game time

4. Edwards another player with potential could easily adapt to playing in this role.

I know that two of the options are relatively untried but at some point we have to trust the kids.

If we can bring in a player I would much rather bring a in a left footer for the wide right role.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: maximus on January 12, 2019, 01:14:31 PM
If you take out the goals scored/Assists and pens won by both Barnes/Gayle it accounts for over half our 54 goals. Be proper lower half table if we didn't have those two first half of the season. Relying on HRK to score now is abysmal, Along with relying on 30+ ageing players to fill the gap.

Hope the lad does great at Leicester.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheBrom on January 12, 2019, 01:22:44 PM
If you take out the goals scored/Assists and pens won by both Barnes/Gayle it accounts for over half our 54 goals. Be proper lower half table if we didn't have those two first half of the season. Relying on HRK to score now is abysmal, Along with relying on 30+ ageing players to fill the gap.

Hope the lad does great at Leicester.

Thing is though is we’re not lower mid table, and we did have them on loan so we’re where we are. It’s like people say about Kane, that if you take his penalties and tap ins out then he’s an average striker. Thing is he has scored the penalties and the tap ins and he is where he is too.

You could say that about permanent signings too that get bought by other clubs at the end of the season. If we had Barnes on a permanent and lit the division on fire this season, who’s to say someone in the prem doesn’t come along in the summer and take him off is anyway.

We obviously had the motive to get promoted this year and we’ve filled the team with players to achieve that. If we go up we’d have to strengthen again regardless so don’t really see the issue with using loan players.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: alex1 on January 12, 2019, 01:25:20 PM
This is a major loss to the squad as he would be pretty much in everyone's starting eleven.
We must find a player who is able to make runs from deep positions with the ball and set up goal chances. We have one already established in the first team, Matt Phillips, but that's not enough for an attacking team.
However, we do have another player who can maybe step up into Barnes' role, and that is Hakeem Harper. He is also able to run with the ball, and has a turn of pace which can put defenders on the back foot.  I hope that now Harper gets a proper chance to step up to the plate.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: smosher34 on January 12, 2019, 01:29:44 PM
This is what happens when loan players in. Been a great player will be a big miss. Looked like was loving being here and playing but life goes on. Some players need to step up now he's gone.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: frazzle on January 12, 2019, 02:07:03 PM
On the bench for Leicester.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: wbawill on January 12, 2019, 02:08:22 PM
On the bench for Leicester today against Southampton. Personally I believe starting against Norwich today would have been better for his long term development, but maybe that's why I'm not a Premier League manager? To me, the whole thing smacks of short termism from Leicester.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: BalisPen on January 12, 2019, 02:19:22 PM
It would not surprise me if they demanded a loan fee and we said no.

We should never have been in such a position after all those prem years and to now be relying on someone else's player.

I hope he comes back at the end of the window but it's like an injury you have to have contingencies.

Let's see if we have, as it is poor planning if we haven't because they did the same last season when he was at Barnsley.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gavinrussell on January 12, 2019, 03:49:24 PM
Losing 2 nil at home at half time  to 10 man Southampton....think Harvey will be on before long..
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: hardtobeat on January 12, 2019, 04:00:47 PM
On the bench for Leicester today against Southampton. Personally I believe starting against Norwich today would have been better for his long term development, but maybe that's why I'm not a Premier League manager? To me, the whole thing smacks of short termism from Leicester.
To me it smacks of a manager desperately trying to keep his job and appease the fans after last weeks effort at Newport !!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2019, 04:03:25 PM
Possibly a coincidence of Holgate starting, but we look far more balanced without him  :-X
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 12, 2019, 04:14:28 PM
Harvey on at half time for Leicester. Good luck son
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 13, 2019, 09:59:07 AM
In a way it’s good he came on for Leicester as if Puel doesn’t like what he is seeing the only club he can then loan him out to again is us.

I have my doubts this would happen however
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 13, 2019, 10:01:49 AM
Harvey on at half time for Leicester. Good luck son
Took up some very good positions on the left....and never got the pass, ended up wandering in to the middle and looked frustrated by the end
Puel really is a bad manager
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: seteefeet on January 15, 2019, 04:16:16 PM
Think we would have beaten Norwich with him in the side. HRK is just not in the same league.
Need to replace him, the front 3 look devoid of creativity without him  :(
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: gazberg on January 15, 2019, 05:12:16 PM
I'm not syaing i've heard anything BUT if Puel changes his mind is it possible for him to come back to us?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Albion79 on January 15, 2019, 06:30:23 PM
If Puel changes his mind and they want to loan him out we are the only team he can come back too.

I think we will wait til the last few of days of the window and see if we are getting him back, if not get a replacement then.

We should be strong enough to beat bolton anyway and the fa cup it will be a mixed team and so i think any signings for that role (barnes or another) will be after the fa cup game and before the game against middlesboro when the transfer window closes.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Adamstv on January 15, 2019, 08:47:40 PM
Think we would have beaten Norwich with him in the side. HRK is just not in the same league.
Need to replace him, the front 3 look devoid of creativity without him  :(

I remember in the 2nd half we had a break and HRK was sprinting down the left wing, he crossed the balll to the other side of the pitch. I said to my son , if that had been Barnes I would have been out of my seat with anticipation, as it was HRK I just knew nothing would happen. Barnes would have driven for goal! That’s the difference
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 15, 2019, 09:42:30 PM
I remember in the 2nd half we had a break and HRK was sprinting down the left wing, he crossed the balll to the other side of the pitch. I said to my son , if that had been Barnes I would have been out of my seat with anticipation, as it was HRK I just knew nothing would happen. Barnes would have driven for goal! That’s the difference

Yes we were missing Barnes, but we were also just as badly missing Philips, if he had played on Saturday I fancy we would have won as well.

Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 16, 2019, 01:11:16 PM
I'm not syaing i've heard anything BUT if Puel changes his mind is it possible for him to come back to us?

If anybody at Leicester decides to send him back out on loan, we're the only club he can join. You can only play for two clubs in a year / season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: tuamigos on January 16, 2019, 01:32:40 PM
If anybody at Leicester decides to send him back out on loan, we're the only club he can join. You can only play for two clubs in a year / season.

I can't see that happening, would make Puel look a right twerp
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Mister AT on January 16, 2019, 03:03:44 PM
His options are basically stay at Leicester now or be sent back on loan to us.

I would be extremely surprised if Puel sent him back out on loan now, would be a bit of an insult to Barnes in all honesty to recall him and then send him back within a couple of weeks. Would almost be like saying to him that he isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 16, 2019, 03:13:52 PM
I can't see that happening, would make Puel look a right twerp

Already does.

Whenever I see him interviewed he always reminds me of a character from a Pink Panther movie  ;D .
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: sammyg on January 16, 2019, 03:15:05 PM
His options are basically stay at Leicester now or be sent back on loan to us.

I would be extremely surprised if Puel sent him back out on loan now, would be a bit of an insult to Barnes in all honesty to recall him and then send him back within a couple of weeks. Would almost be like saying to him that he isn't good enough.

Isn’t this what we’re doing to Fitzwater?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Mister AT on January 16, 2019, 03:19:31 PM
Isn’t this what we’re doing to Fitzwater?

To an extent yeah, but I get the feeling the club are looking to test Fitzwater out at a 'higher' club now.

You only have to listen to some of the Walsall fans and reporters to know that their club is rather pee'd off with WBA over it all.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: baggie_liam on January 16, 2019, 09:13:48 PM
I’ve just got this feeling he’ll return towards the end of the window.  I think Puel is using him to push Gray and others on their toes, whilst seeing if he’s ready for PL level (for their style, in which I think we actually suit him better) .. again all my own thoughts
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: WBArgo on January 16, 2019, 10:36:27 PM
On reflection I think we'd have beaten Norwich with him on the pitch. There were a few 'nearly' moments which just needed a bit of quality for the ball to go in - and sadly we lacked it. With Barnes he made the difference and I think it will haunt us for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: chipperclark on January 16, 2019, 10:56:47 PM
 :) Also Puel on the edge of losing his job...was reported Brendon Rogers has been approached. Not good for us as he has already recalled Barnes,maybe to save his own "skin"??
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on January 16, 2019, 11:53:52 PM
Bloke had gone back to parent club, recruitment office should have anticipated this and have a player ready to come in to replace him. We desperately need a new striker as we have no back up options and HRK is pooo
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 17, 2019, 12:44:05 AM
Bloke had gone back to parent club, recruitment office should have anticipated this and have a player ready to come in to replace him. We desperately need a new striker as we have no back up options and HRK is pooo

Our management heirach have no vision. I can remember going down to the old 3rd division. They are so blinkered. They have reached the top of what they can do. If they did manage to get up, they would flounder. They are that useless.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on January 17, 2019, 07:51:17 AM

Our management heirach have no vision. I can remember going down to the old 3rd division. They are so blinkered. They have reached the top of what they can do. If they did manage to get up, they would flounder. They are that useless.
totally agree
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on January 17, 2019, 09:25:50 AM

Our management heirach have no vision. I can remember going down to the old 3rd division. They are so blinkered. They have reached the top of what they can do. If they did manage to get up, they would flounder. They are that useless.

Don't necessarily agree with that, our hierarchy are new in the job and maybe will come good, its a bit too early to slate them yet, what we desperately need is stability.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 17, 2019, 01:17:41 PM
I can't see that happening, would make Puel look a right twerp

That assumes Puel being in place to make the decision.

Player power close to claiming another victim, apparently.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (on loan from Leicester)
Post by: Mister AT on January 17, 2019, 02:06:17 PM
That assumes Puel being in place to make the decision.

Player power close to claiming another victim, apparently.

I imagine if a new manager came in, that would guarantee Barnes staying for the season. You would assume the new boss would want to have a look at all his options before shipping anyone out, don't think that would be enough time by close of window.

Our best option with Barnes is that he doesn't get any game time from now till end of season and we can potentially put a bid in the summer.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: gavinrussell on January 19, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
Barnes starts against the Dingles...
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Peachofacross on January 19, 2019, 12:11:33 PM
Barnes starts against the Dingles...

Fingers crossed he rips em a new one!  ;D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 19, 2019, 12:43:06 PM
He doesn't look right in that all blue strip  ???
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 19, 2019, 12:45:04 PM
And he's not used to being on the losing side  :o
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2019, 01:00:02 PM
Early days but looks well out of his depth. May get hooked at halftime.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 19, 2019, 01:04:47 PM
Early days but looks well out of his depth. May get hooked at halftime.

As a few have noted, he's not yet the finished article and Puel taking him back half way through the season is foolish for his development. I think the booing from the scum will not help him today either as he's not seen anything like that hostile kind of atmosphere before either.

Never know, might send him back to us off the back of today  ::)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: skyclad99 on January 19, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
Early days but looks well out of his depth. May get hooked at halftime.

Was thinking exactly the same Jacko,he looks quite nervous to me
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 19, 2019, 01:13:33 PM
As you'd expect, the Wolves crowd are booing him every time he gets the ball, something he will, no doubt, learn to cope with as he develops
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: gavinrussell on January 19, 2019, 01:15:19 PM
Big mistake taking him back...a full season with us would have been far more beneficial...can see him being loaned out again before long....hopefully these Leicester games under the inept Puel  won't damage his confidence too much..
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2019, 01:18:49 PM
Big mistake taking him back...a full season with us would have been far more beneficial...can see him being loaned out again before long....hopefully these Leicester games under the inept Puel  won't damage his confidence too much..


I'm not bothered about his confidence. I hope the next couple of games go extremely badly for him. He can only play for them or us for the rest of the season. I'd prefer it was us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Peachofacross on January 19, 2019, 01:31:09 PM
Big mistake taking him back...a full season with us would have been far more beneficial...can see him being loaned out again before long....hopefully these Leicester games under the inept Puel  won't damage his confidence too much..

Well he can only be loaned to us this season so I hope you're right!

On that first half showing he looks a bit lost tbh.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2019, 01:40:23 PM
Equalised!! Boing Boing!! Get in Harvey lol.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Peachofacross on January 19, 2019, 01:40:38 PM
Ha ha. Nice one Harv.

Shot was going miles wide mind.....
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: skyclad99 on January 19, 2019, 01:40:47 PM
Well that was a good half time talk!

Nice one Harvey... against the dingles as well!!!!!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 19, 2019, 01:41:11 PM
ha haaaa! Get in Kid  ;D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 19, 2019, 01:41:32 PM
Excellent, go on son
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: tuamigos on January 19, 2019, 01:42:14 PM
ha haaaa! Get in Kid  ;D

Hahaaa.
Go on Harvey.
Trouble is we won't get him back now  :-[
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 19, 2019, 01:44:10 PM
Hahaha. Beautiful.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: tuamigos on January 19, 2019, 01:44:58 PM
Just need Evans to score the winner
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: gerry m on January 19, 2019, 01:46:48 PM
Nice one Harvey!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 19, 2019, 01:51:23 PM
And here is a link to his goal

https://twitter.com/i/status/1086619730289573888
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: royhan on January 19, 2019, 01:58:31 PM
It’s an own goal. Harvey’s shot was going wide until it was deflected into the net via a defender’s leg
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 19, 2019, 02:03:28 PM
Own goal and now subbed off. Overall didn't do a great deal. I'd be asking them to consider sending him back.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: geoff on January 19, 2019, 03:33:25 PM
Not enough balls played for him to run on to, we used him more has a 1st option outlet they aren't but the lad yet. I think he will make the grade to play in the premiership even wear the 3 lions shirt to.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 20, 2019, 06:36:06 PM
I still don't think he's anywhere near ready for that level and I genuinely have some doubt over whether he ever will be. It is a massive step up and we have seen a few kids rip up the Championship and then struggle when they make that step up and I think Harvey is still at that point right now and would have been better served finishing the season here.

If we haven't managed to replace him by the end of the window I would be tempted to ask them if they'll allow him out again.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Adder on January 20, 2019, 07:47:09 PM
I think given 3 or 4 games he'll do just fine at that level. We are very unlikely to get him back. Even in that game yesterday, the evidence was there that Vardy, Gray and Barnes can form a quick front 3 capable of linking up and breaking at pace.
Slightly over the top reaction to one or two things not going right for Barnes....Gray was caught in possession for one of the goals also. It's obviously a major step up but given a proper chance Barnes can make it.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: GREGMT on January 20, 2019, 08:41:11 PM
Barnes is easily good enough already. 

Leicester will never do any good playing that carthorse Wes Morgan.  He is just too big as is Lukaku.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2019, 09:00:00 PM
They play Liverpool next, he won't get a sniff in that game, in fact he'll probably be dropped as Maddison provided a key assist when he came on.


He offers more than Dorrans did back in the day but at this stage, not a lot more. Obviously he's got a few years on his side in comparison. Best thing Leicester can do is send him back to us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: 17GD on January 21, 2019, 01:35:22 AM
I don't think it's right that some fans are saying they hope his games go bad just so that he can come back. It's selfish. I think for his progress he should come back for the rest of the season, but i certainly don't hope he fails at Leicester.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 21, 2019, 06:33:42 AM
I think that unless we replace Harvey with someone of real quality, we should persevere with our own youngsters. There is absolutely no point in bringing in people like Giles Barnes, who was next to useless first time round.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Mister AT on January 21, 2019, 09:26:31 AM
I think that unless we replace Harvey with someone of real quality, we should persevere with our own youngsters. There is absolutely no point in bringing in people like Giles Barnes, who was next to useless first time round.

I think I speak for 99.9% of the fans when I saw I would rather us give game time to Leko/Edwards than to offer Giles Barnes a short term contract.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: smosher34 on January 21, 2019, 09:31:32 AM
We sign Barnes just shows what a mess we are in. Yet again Moores mates on the payroll. You can't replace Harvey Barnes with him.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 21, 2019, 01:01:16 PM
I didn't think he did very well tbh. You could see how his team-mates were reluctant to use him, but to me, he didn't look ready for the step up.

Leicester may look back and realise another six months with us could have made all the difference.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: elkiellis on January 21, 2019, 10:58:14 PM
I think that unless we replace Harvey with someone of real quality, we should persevere with our own youngsters. There is absolutely no point in bringing in people like Giles Barnes, who was next to useless first time round.
Giles Barnes was totally useless first time round agreed,last time he played for us we were 3 nil up at home to West Ham and cruising,Barnes was on the bench,i think it may have been Appleton in charge we were in total command with 25 mins to go he bought Barnes on,it was like playing with 10 men,west ham scored 3 times and it ended up 3-3 ,I don't think he ever played again
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: tuamigos on January 22, 2019, 07:04:11 AM
Giles Barnes was totally useless first time round agreed,last time he played for us we were 3 nil up at home to West Ham and cruising,Barnes was on the bench,i think it may have been Appleton in charge we were in total command with 25 mins to go he bought Barnes on,it was like playing with 10 men,west ham scored 3 times and it ended up 3-3 ,I don't think he ever played again

 I've no desire to see Giles Barnes back here but come on;D Total command?
It was 3-2 when Barnes came on but don't let the facts get in the way of your reasoning.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/9391009.stm
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 22, 2019, 08:26:23 AM
I know it has "Barnes" in the title, but can we keep the talk about the nightmare inducing Giles variety of Barnes to a different thread and not the Harvey Barnes one.... every time I see something is posted in here my eyes light up hoping that we've managed to prise Harvey back off Leicester until the end of the season
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 22, 2019, 03:19:05 PM
I know it has "Barnes" in the title, but can we keep the talk about the nightmare inducing Giles variety of Barnes to a different thread and not the Harvey Barnes one.... every time I see something is posted in here my eyes light up hoping that we've managed to prise Harvey back off Leicester until the end of the season

Made you look, made you stare.......  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: kie the baggie on January 22, 2019, 04:35:59 PM
Barnes cant play for any team this season only us and Leicester, I really have a sneaky feeling,hope,praying!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: shortybaggies on January 26, 2019, 05:45:43 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-hope-re-sign-13910137.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Rumours that Barnes is on his way back. Thoughts that hes stepped up too quickly.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 26, 2019, 06:37:58 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-hope-re-sign-13910137.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Rumours that Barnes is on his way back. Thoughts that hes stepped up too quickly.

Well, I suppose if we've got to have him back, them it's our duty. But I don't know who'll make way for him though  ;D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Bilston Dan on January 26, 2019, 06:48:09 PM
I'll believe it when I see it personally. It is the mirror so take it with a pinch of salt. Would love to have Harvey back though, he'd feel like a new signing. :)
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Baggie79 on January 26, 2019, 07:34:22 PM
I have a Leicester supporting mate who is generally very well informed and he said that he was brought back to Leicester for them to have a look at and then loaned back to us again dependent on his improvement and game time. With his goal and performance I would suggest that this might have counted against us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 26, 2019, 07:42:34 PM
I have a Leicester supporting mate who is generally very well informed and he said that he was brought back to Leicester for them to have a look at and then loaned back to us again dependent on his improvement and game time. With his goal and performance I would suggest that this might have counted against us.


It was an own goal and he didn't play particularly well.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 26, 2019, 09:18:30 PM
Leicester City's Harvey Barnes won't return to West Brom

Pity.

Source: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-citys-harvey-barnes-wont-2473999
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 26, 2019, 11:25:54 PM
Leicester City's Harvey Barnes won't return to West Brom

Pity.

Source: https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-citys-harvey-barnes-wont-2473999

That article only regurgitate's Puel's comments in the aftermath of their game against Southampton on the 12th, so I don't think it confirms anything.

I'd be surprised if he was loaned back to us, but who knows? By this time next week all will have been revealed!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: addy on January 26, 2019, 11:38:15 PM
Leicester Mercury also stated he was staying with us a few days before he got recalled. Don't think they have a clue.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 28, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Leicester Mercury have got about as much clue as the Birmingham Mail / Express & Star, which is to regurgitate what they've previously been told as though it's still fact two weeks later.

I've seen some people suggesting Barnes will be heading back to us if we agree to pay more of his wages and a higher loan fee - and that this is part of why we've waved Sako goodbye.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2019, 07:28:32 PM
Puel has dropped Barnes for tonight's trip to Anfield. Surely we're in with a shout of him coming back? Which I imagine is delaying the Murphy deal.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 30, 2019, 07:33:25 PM
A Leicester win tonight, would surely help our cause then?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: baggiejohn on January 30, 2019, 07:36:55 PM
Puel has dropped Barnes for tonight's trip to Anfield. Surely we're in with a shout of him coming back? Which I imagine is delaying the Murphy deal.

He's on a pretty strong bench.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2019, 07:45:21 PM
He's on a pretty strong bench.


He's miles down the pecking order. Liverpool with no recognised right back tonight. Very odd behaviour from Puel in recalling him at all.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 30, 2019, 07:50:35 PM
Lads, can we keep talk on other games in the Premiership thread in General Sports forum please
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: baggiejohn on January 30, 2019, 08:50:56 PM
Lads, can we keep talk on other games in the Premiership thread in General Sports forum please

I was having a conversation with Jacko about Harvey Barnes playing for Leicester tonight, relative to the possibility of him coming back to us. Surely relevant to the topic?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 30, 2019, 08:51:46 PM
I was having a conversation with Jacko about Harvey Barnes playing for Leicester tonight, relative to the possibility of him coming back to us. Surely relevant to the topic?

Harvey Barnes yes, Leicester v Liverpool no
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: baggies_24 on January 30, 2019, 09:52:39 PM
Barnes didn’t get on the pitch tonight hopefully he’s steams into Puel’s office and says he wants regular playing time.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Andio on January 30, 2019, 09:54:34 PM
Faint glimmer of hope that he will be allowed back to us? It's still highly unlikely though.  :(
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: chipperclark on January 30, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
 :( No he has gone...not returning...he will keep the bench warm at Leicester...holding back his development.He will be lucky to get 10 mins here and there.
Very sad for such a talented player....but hey "no sour grapes"we enjoyed his time with us.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Mister AT on January 30, 2019, 10:53:46 PM
He will be back here in the summer on a permanent deal.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: kie the baggie on January 31, 2019, 01:57:05 AM
He will be back here in the summer on a permanent deal.
Mate this is the Harvey barnes thread, not Giles!!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: SmethDan on January 31, 2019, 10:19:21 AM
Mate this is the Harvey barnes thread, not Giles!!

Made me laugh, uncomfortably more than it should........
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on January 31, 2019, 07:03:05 PM
All jokes aside, if he hardly plays for the rest of the season then we should be putting a big bid in for him in the summer. His career will be ruined if he doesn't play regularly
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: miggybaggy on February 27, 2019, 02:16:47 PM
MOM last night I see.... :(
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Oldbury24 on February 27, 2019, 02:24:51 PM
MOM last night I see.... :(

He's a Rogers kind of player and could now flourish.
More chance the next team he play's for is England rather than WBA. Leicester are lucky fuggers.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: johnny Cash on February 27, 2019, 08:01:44 PM
He's a Rogers kind of player and could now flourish.
More chance the next team he play's for is England rather than WBA. Leicester are lucky fuggers.

If Rogers liked Burke his balls will probably burst when he starts working with Barnes. Imagine the damage Barnes would do in the SPL.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: paulosull on March 01, 2019, 10:44:40 PM
Harvey your my player of the season, how the clueless duo have missed you and how we have found out that they aren't up too much
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: albion59 on March 01, 2019, 11:07:22 PM
Harvey your my player of the season, how the clueless duo have missed you and how we have found out that they aren't up too much
He was not our player he as now gone nothing we can do get over it.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 09, 2019, 06:26:33 PM
He was not our player he as now gone nothing we can do get over it.
God bless you Harvey for giving us hope, because if we had not had you for half a season we would be in a relegation battle now.
It's the hope that kills you.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 11, 2019, 06:34:21 AM
He proved that he is the player we need.
We have to open the cheque book and pay, so that we can progress.
"Got to speculate to accumulate".
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: leeiswba on March 11, 2019, 07:36:45 AM
He proved that he is the player we need.
We have to open the cheque book and pay, so that we can progress.
"Got to speculate to accumulate".

Going to be hard to find anyone like him knocking about willing to come down to us and if you mean try and actually sign him then there is more chance of Big Dave being in charge Wednesday than us signing Harvey Barnes on a permanent. Not a chance in hell he would want to leave Leicester to come here and n chance we could afford him
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 11, 2019, 08:52:12 AM
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 09:15:02 AM
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine

Yes, but he's a cog that we have desperately missed and failed to replace. Our successes and failures are more to do with tactics and team selection than losing Barnes, although it would be crazy to dismiss the impact his creativity and goals had on our team
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: 17GD on March 11, 2019, 09:22:29 AM
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine

But if an important cog falls off a machine then the machine breaks down. And that's what has happened. He was virtually our only creative outlet. If you look at our midfield, we have either age or inexperience. And we have 3 recognised strikers. He was a vital mixture of both midfield and attack.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Adder on March 11, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine
He was probably instructed to stay up the pitch and not track back. Despite 'not passing to players in better positions' he massed up 8 or 9 assists without taking corners and free kicks (notice who setup Vardy's hundredth goal on Saturday). He's a modern attacker who shifts the ball at speed - he will occasionally lose the ball or choose the wrong option but a lot of the time it's about doing 2 or 3 things in a game that make a difference. If he was just 'OK' God help the rest of our players.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Oldbury24 on March 11, 2019, 12:57:49 PM
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine

Some players get better and better in their absence.  However, the more i see other players the more sure I am  that this kid was and is the real deal.  Seeing him not only out pace, but also out muscle Hutton at the Hawthorns before leaving him for dead was my moment of the season.   An ability to carry the ball for a distance at pace, an eye for a forward pass, and a goalscorer to boot.   Possibly went back to the PL early, but by all accounts after a patchy start he has really started to look the part for Leicester and now has a manager who can really develop him.  Anybody still thinking he might play for us again, more likely the next team he might play for other than Leicester will be England if he can improve his overall game.     
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Mikkyk on March 11, 2019, 01:02:38 PM
If we're saying he was only average then it's either so grapes or blind optimism of what else we have.

He single-handedly won us points (Sheff Wed away as an example) and we have missed him sorely since he went back to Leicester. With him, alongside Gayle and Rodriguez, in the team we were able to simply rely on our attackers to win games without having to have too much of a tactical plan going forward.

Now he's gone we need more of a plan cause his replacements are not as good. I had thought it was foolish by Leicester to recall him and he'd benefit from the extra half a season at us, which I probably still stand by but he's still had decent game time even in PL.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: miggybaggy on March 11, 2019, 01:04:47 PM
Some players get better and better in their absence.  However, the more i see other players the more sure I am  that this kid was and is the real deal.  Seeing him not only out pace, but also out muscle Hutton at the Hawthorns before leaving him for dead was my moment of the season.   An ability to carry the ball for a distance at pace, an eye for a forward pass, and a goalscorer to boot.   Possibly went back to the PL early, but by all accounts after a patchy start he has really started to look the part for Leicester and now has a manager who can really develop him.  Anybody still thinking he might play for us again, more likely the next team he might play for other than Leicester will be England if he can improve his overall game.   

Yep...and I honestly think he'll be persuaded to leave his beloved Leicester by Man Utd or similar. Fantastic player.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 11, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
Barnes went missing for long periods of games for us, but his contribution should not be down played, with Phillips he was easily our best player in the first half of the season. Even on an off day he could spring to life and produce a moment of brilliance. We haven't adequately replaced him, shoe-horning our best striker into his role even though he is massively unsuited to it, thereby weakening 2 positions.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on March 11, 2019, 01:07:27 PM
Whether he was having a good game or not the one thing the boy had was QUALITY. Quality on the ball that made a difference. His vision, his timing and execution of a pass, his composure on the ball. He hurt teams. Someone mentioned the goal he created v Villa. Yes others may have got to the ball first as well but Barnes got his head up, didn't rush, made the correct choice and executed the pass for Gayle perfectly. We have no-one at all now that would create that goal.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2019, 01:10:36 PM
At Ipswich away, I commented to my mate that he was being too predictable and kept running up blind alleys, next thing he hits the post and then pops up with the decisive goal.

He isn't a workhorse but he is a match winner / changer.  few and far between nowadays, Leicester have at least 2 in Maddison / Barnes.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: skyclad99 on March 11, 2019, 01:31:45 PM
It must be me, but I find it hard to understand how young Mr Barnes has acquired this messia like status?
He was OK scored a good few goals but he also went up a lot of blind allies, frequently lost the ball, didn't pass to players in better positions and was god awful at tracking back.
But to put all our successes, untill his departure, solely down to him is a bit OTT in my opinion. He was but one cog in a much bigger machine

I know what you are saying Frank, but he was the cog in our team, and whilst he had quieter games and occasionally run up blind alleys, he made things happen and sometimes came out of these blind alleys and with a goal or an assist. He was not afraid to try these things and have a go. Its no co incidence that since he was recalled, the team has gone south with their performance.

A bit like when we had Lukaku, it was a pleasure to have seen such a talented lad play for the Albion and I wish him all the very best.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on March 11, 2019, 02:37:25 PM
Could he still be offered up as a Player of the Year nominee?
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: skyclad99 on March 11, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
Could he still be offered up as a Player of the Year nominee?

Why not? I am struggling to see anyone ahead of him......
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2019, 02:51:30 PM
He's been our biggest loss of the season, our only creative outlet. He could be anonymous for 70 minutes and then do something to win us a game, no other player has shown anything such as that this season, not one of them.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 02:53:35 PM
He's been our biggest loss of the season, our only creative outlet. He could be anonymous for 70 minutes and then do something to win us a game, no other player has shown anything such as that this season, not one of them.
Not strictly true, there have been loads that are anonymous for 70 minutes this season  ;D
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2019, 02:54:52 PM
Not strictly true, there have been loads that are anonymous for 70 minutes this season  ;D

 :D And plenty anonymous for 90 minutes
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: phbaggies on March 11, 2019, 02:57:08 PM
:D And plenty anonymous for 90 minutes
Yeah but he is good at taking penalties though.....  :-X
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 11, 2019, 03:00:15 PM
While he has been a big loss no doubt, I personally think Phillips has been a bigger loss. When Phillips is firing on all cylinders, we tend to smash teams. Gutted he's gone though, it was a breath of fresh air watching him tear up the championship for us.. It was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 14, 2019, 04:38:35 PM
New 5 year contract at Leicester. Well done and deserved lad!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Atomic on June 14, 2019, 04:41:35 PM
New 5 year contract at Leicester. Well done and deserved lad!


Love the kid to bits. Wish him a million per cent luck in everything he does.

BUT please don't post like that in this thread, for a mini-second I was hopeful you were going to tell me he's coming back.

going to have to have a brandy now!
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 14, 2019, 04:44:48 PM

Love the kid to bits. Wish him a million per cent luck in everything he does.

BUT please don't post like that in this thread, for a mini-second I was hopeful you were going to tell me he's coming back.

going to have to have a brandy now!
Ha Ha have one for me mate
Title: Re: Harvey Barnes (recalled to Leicester)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 14, 2019, 06:14:17 PM
Ha Ha have one for me mate
I am a rough bloke...Ge me a whusky!