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Title: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Pie on July 09, 2018, 03:37:40 PM
From John Percy:

On a more positive note for West Brom, talks are advanced with Swansea over a move for defender Kyle Bartley. A £3.5m deal could happen before the weekend #wba #swans

Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Dan on July 09, 2018, 03:43:38 PM
"Positive"

Very, very average defender. If that's the standard we're aiming for, we aren't aiming for promotion...
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mister AT on July 09, 2018, 03:48:12 PM
"Positive"

Very, very average defender. If that's the standard we're aiming for, we aren't aiming for promotion...

Leeds fans seem gutted they haven’t gone for him. Knows the league, solid defender.

More than likely allows Dawson to leave.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 09, 2018, 03:57:13 PM
I personally quite like him. A very athletic defender who would be one of the better defenders at this level. Think he's a bit like marmite to be honest given how he's been in favour with some and out of favour with others.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: telford baggie on July 09, 2018, 04:00:24 PM
advanced talks but will still take until the end of the week to sign..haha we really do drag our feet, no chance at all we will sign all the players we need in 4weeks
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: liverbaggie on July 09, 2018, 04:17:21 PM
What standard of player do some on this site expect?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 09, 2018, 04:25:31 PM

Very, very average defender. If that's the standard we're aiming for, we aren't aiming for promotion...

What are you basing that on?  He was absolute class for Leeds the year he was there, one of their best performers if not the best.  His injury record is a concern but if he can recapture his Leeds form we will have a very good defender and at a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on July 09, 2018, 06:18:22 PM
What are you basing that on?  He was absolute class for Leeds the year he was there, one of their best performers if not the best.  His injury record is a concern but if he can recapture his Leeds form we will have a very good defender and at a reasonable price.

My Leeds mate thinks he is a bang average player. Seems to be a bit of a journeyman to me, not that I've seen him play much. Smacks of a short term signing - can't see him being put to much if we get promoted.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Chipperfan on July 09, 2018, 06:22:34 PM
If he signs where do you think Darren will play him? Right Back or Left Back? ;)
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: DaveWBA on July 09, 2018, 07:28:54 PM
£3.5m for a defender approaching his prime who knows the league - count me in. Not a great injury record, but neither did Hegazi when he signed.

Allows Dawson to leave and we make a very tidy profit. Happy enough with that, I'd rather we were splashing the cash at the other end of the pitch.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: liverbaggie on July 09, 2018, 07:37:45 PM
Is this the fella that started at arsenal?
Did not he play for Swansea,I think its good business at that price decent age
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: DaveWBA on July 09, 2018, 07:38:53 PM
Is this the fella that started at arsenal?
Did not he play for Swansea,I think its good business at that price decent age

Played for Swansea at the Hawthorns last season. Typically injury prone, still a good price for a 27 year old centre half.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 09, 2018, 08:38:35 PM
Played for Swansea at the Hawthorns last season. Typically injury prone, still a good price for a 27 year old centre half.
Bring out the "magic" sponge.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie38 on July 09, 2018, 08:49:34 PM
3.5 is nothing these days. Not in this mad sport.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on July 09, 2018, 09:22:17 PM
£3.5m for a defender approaching his prime who knows the league - count me in. Not a great injury record, but neither did Hegazi when he signed. Allows Dawson to leave and we make a very tidy profit. Happy enough with that, I'd rather we were splashing the cash at the other end of the pitch.

Well he's played in a poor Leeds team and done poorly, finishing mid table. None of that is close to good enough for Albion. Clearly he's not fit to lace Dawson's boots so swapping one the other just makes us inferior.  Nothing good about it. Hope we hold onto Dawson and our better players or else we are just going to be become another mid table second division club.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 09, 2018, 09:55:44 PM
Well he's played in a poor Leeds team and done poorly, finishing mid table. None of that is close to good enough for Albion. Clearly he's not fit to lace Dawson's boots so swapping one the other just makes us inferior.  Nothing good about it. Hope we hold onto Dawson and our better players or else we are just going to be become another mid table second division club.

He didn't do poorly at all, he was universally liked by the Leeds fans was one of their best performers.  As for finishing mid table they narrowly missed out on the play offs finishing 7th..
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 09, 2018, 09:59:58 PM
He didn't do poorly at all, he was universally liked by the Leeds fans was one of their best performers.  As for finishing mid table they narrowly missed out on the play offs finishing 7th..


Don't get involved mate. You're arguing with a guy who rates neither Rondon, Gibbs or Hegazi. Bartley will be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SirTonyM on July 10, 2018, 02:10:08 AM
Well he's played in a poor Leeds team and done poorly, finishing mid table. None of that is close to good enough for Albion. Clearly he's not fit to lace Dawson's boots so swapping one the other just makes us inferior.  Nothing good about it. Hope we hold onto Dawson and our better players or else we are just going to be become another mid table second division club.

Dawson doesn't want to play for us and Bartley seems like he wants too and most other teams that he has played for rate him. Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on July 10, 2018, 07:28:55 AM
Seems a decent enough player, had a few injury issues by the look of it.
I'd say his addition would be a plus not a minus
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: DaveWBA on July 10, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
Well he's played in a poor Leeds team and done poorly, finishing mid table. None of that is close to good enough for Albion. Clearly he's not fit to lace Dawson's boots so swapping one the other just makes us inferior.  Nothing good about it. Hope we hold onto Dawson and our better players or else we are just going to be become another mid table second division club.

So poorly that the majority of Leeds fans are deriding the decision not to sign him permanently. I'm sure you know best.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: royhan on July 10, 2018, 08:51:08 AM
A friend who watches Swansea regularly says that Bartley seems to have overcome his injury problems and will be a good signing for us if fit.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kirk on July 10, 2018, 09:27:45 AM
What standard of player do some on this site expect?


Someone who is on par with Dawson
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on July 10, 2018, 10:10:52 AM
How many on here shook their heads in frustration at us signing Gareth MCCauley from Ipsiwch and also Billy Jones from Preston. Keep the faith!
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mooncat on July 10, 2018, 01:15:11 PM
And lest we forget, signing Dawson himself from Rotherham and loaning him back there
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 10, 2018, 01:16:01 PM

Someone who is on par with Dawson

Do you really think the same level of players are accessible to us now we are in the championship?  ;D
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: collins101 on July 10, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
And lest we forget, signing Dawson himself from Rotherham and loaning him back there

Rochdale wasn't it ?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 10, 2018, 01:29:18 PM
And lest we forget, signing Dawson himself from Rotherham and loaning him back there
*Rochdale
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: sammyg on July 10, 2018, 01:59:07 PM
Anyone know why Swansea would want to get rid of him if he’s an asset in the championship?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: NathWBA on July 10, 2018, 02:10:12 PM
And lest we forget, signing Dawson himself from Rotherham and loaning him back there
signed from Rochdale, I think the issue with Bartley is that he never performed at premier league level, Leeds fans seem fuming they aren’t in for him though, I haven’t seen anything of him so I’ll reserve judgement.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 10, 2018, 02:19:17 PM
Anyone know why Swansea would want to get rid of him if he’s an asset in the championship?
trying to get wages down to keep hold of Fernandes and Mawson and already have 5 or so first team centre backs including Amat and Van Der Hoorne.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kirk on July 11, 2018, 12:33:43 PM
Do you really think the same level of players are accessible to us now we are in the championship?  ;D

No which is why he should be kept if possible
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: graka on July 11, 2018, 12:55:39 PM
So are we still in advanced talks for about the eighth day ?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on July 11, 2018, 01:13:23 PM
So are we still in advanced talks for about the eighth day ?

I think this week we are dotting the i's next week we start crossing the t's.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 11, 2018, 01:22:51 PM
So are we still in advanced talks for about the eighth day ?

It makes me laugh when I see comments like this. Not to be personal, you're just one of many who have said similar, but footballers contracts are no longer a matter of the manager saying how much per week, how much bonus, and then a signature. The contracts are now complex legal documents which take ages to agree, especially when you take into account the basic wage, bonuses, image rights, etc.

That's why there are very rarely any last minute moves on deadline day, because it is a negotiation, and it can take weeks to agree every part of the contract.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: MarkW on July 11, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
It makes me laugh when I see comments like this. Not to be personal, you're just one of many who have said similar, but footballers contracts are no longer a matter of the manager saying how much per week, how much bonus, and then a signature. The contracts are now complex legal documents which take ages to agree, especially when you take into account the basic wage, bonuses, image rights, etc.

That's why there are very rarely any last minute moves on deadline day, because it is a negotiation, and it can take weeks to agree every part of the contract.

I always link to this article when this topic comes up. Like you say, the contracts are so complex now.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 11, 2018, 01:51:25 PM
It makes me laugh when I see comments like this. Not to be personal, you're just one of many who have said similar, but footballers contracts are no longer a matter of the manager saying how much per week, how much bonus, and then a signature. The contracts are now complex legal documents which take ages to agree, especially when you take into account the basic wage, bonuses, image rights, etc.

That's why there are very rarely any last minute moves on deadline day, because it is a negotiation, and it can take weeks to agree every part of the contract.
To which you can add that we have no Director of Football and Garlick is leaving (next week?). The transfer window (for permanent deals) closes in exactly 4 weeks from tomorrow.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 11, 2018, 04:32:34 PM
Looks like he's going to Leeds  ???
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kie the baggie on July 11, 2018, 04:42:29 PM
Looks like he's going to Leeds  ???
Why?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 11, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
Why?

Where have you seen that?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Beefy on July 11, 2018, 05:51:57 PM
Matt Wilson
MattWilson@-star

Bartley deal is close
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 11, 2018, 05:52:21 PM
Where have you seen that?

This is Futbol
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 11, 2018, 06:18:26 PM
Where have I seen this scenario before?
Oh...W B A.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on July 12, 2018, 06:36:53 PM
“West Brom target Kyle Bartley in £4m deal with Swansea”

Should be completed before the weekend according to Sky Sports

Source: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11434627/west-brom-target-kyle-bartley-in-4m-deal-with-swansea
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinger1968 on July 12, 2018, 07:23:15 PM
“West Brom target Kyle Bartley in £4m deal with Swansea”

Should be completed before the weekend according to Sky Sports

Source: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11434627/west-brom-target-kyle-bartley-in-4m-deal-with-swansea
I always get slightly worried when I see the phrase "according to Sky sources"!!!!
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 12, 2018, 07:30:09 PM
I always get slightly worried when I see the phrase "according to Sky sources"!!!!

Probably the most accurate of everyone to be honest. Been bang on so far this window.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: NathWBA on July 12, 2018, 07:42:03 PM
John Percy reckons medical set for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinger1968 on July 13, 2018, 01:56:15 PM
Matt Wilson saying that deal and terms now agreed.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Smethwickender93 on July 13, 2018, 04:29:59 PM
Set to sign today. Happy with that signing, he knows the league well and Leeds fans feel they have missed out big time by not signing him.

I feel big Dave will get the most out of him. Now then let’s add a few more additions please Albion
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Chipperfan on July 13, 2018, 04:37:37 PM
Set to sign today. Happy with that signing, he knows the league well and Leeds fans feel they have missed out big time by not signing him.

I feel big Dave will get the most out of him. Now then let’s add a few more additions please Albion

If he’s half as good as Darren we have a player on our hands.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: ripryan1971 on July 13, 2018, 07:20:54 PM
Couple of things that Kyle needs to do. Stay Fit because the amount of games he's got is poor for his age and Defend and Attack both boxes as hes done in the championship, very similiar to Dawson with his goal threat.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Baggies on July 13, 2018, 07:47:37 PM
Decent back up option if Leeds fans reactions are to be trusted. I still feel we will need another centre half though, even if Dawson and Hegazi stay.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: cads_ap_albion on July 13, 2018, 10:40:04 PM
Decent back up option if Leeds fans reactions are to be trusted. I still feel we will need another centre half though, even if Dawson and Hegazi stay.

I doubt very much he will be our back up option. That is Fitzwater.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on July 14, 2018, 12:45:26 AM
If we’re singing him to complement Dawson and Hegazi then I’ve no issue. If he’s a replacement for Hegazi I can live with that as well (overrated in my view and £10m for him would be decent business). However if he’s a replacement for Dawson then it will be a real kick in the teeth. Can’t let players as consistent and important as Dawson go and hope to mount a promotion challenge. Need to keep him at all costs for 12 months and tell Burnley to sling their hook.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 14, 2018, 09:07:16 AM
If we’re singing him to complement Dawson and Hegazi then I’ve no issue. If he’s a replacement for Hegazi I can live with that as well (overrated in my view and £10m for him would be decent business). However if he’s a replacement for Dawson then it will be a real kick in the teeth. Can’t let players as consistent and important as Dawson go and hope to mount a promotion challenge. Need to keep him at all costs for 12 months and tell Burnley to sling their hook.
Its almost like The Evans debacle never happened. Dawson doesn’t want to be here.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on July 14, 2018, 09:47:12 AM
Its almost like The Evans debacle never happened. Dawson doesn’t want to be here.

Dawson's preference (understandable) is to sign for Burnley but if we refuse to sell on the basis we need for 12 months and either we go up or sell him next summer then he will get his head down when the season starts. He's consistent, loyal and a professional. Happens all the time in football. Look at Courtinho. Got his move eventually but Liverpool kept him when they needed him. Mahrez was denied a move by Leicester for countless transfer windows. Common.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 14, 2018, 10:36:40 AM
Dawson's preference (understandable) is to sign for Burnley but if we refuse to sell on the basis we need for 12 months and either we go up or sell him next summer then he will get his head down when the season starts. He's consistent, loyal and a professional. Happens all the time in football. Look at Courtinho. Got his move eventually but Liverpool kept him when they needed him. Mahrez was denied a move by Leicester for countless transfer windows.
How can you possibly know that Dawson will get his head down if we don't sell him? It's only a couple of weeks since he refused to go on an important fitness/training camp and he's allegedly put in a transfer request. These actions are far removed from being loyal and professional.

As for Mahrez, he was on strike for weeks during the season!
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kirk on July 14, 2018, 10:43:09 AM
How can you possibly know that Dawson will get his head down if we don't sell him? It's only a couple of weeks since he refused to go on an important fitness/training camp and he's allegedly put in a transfer request. These actions are far removed from being loyal and professional.

As for Mahrez, he was on strike for weeks during the season!

I believe he just had a baby and there are stories about being allowed to stay which then got overturned. Ronaldo wanted out and Suarez but both then stayed one more year and played before going on amicable turns. I see no reason Dawson not doing that.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 14, 2018, 11:11:37 AM
I believe he just had a baby and there are stories about being allowed to stay which then got overturned. Ronaldo wanted out and Suarez but both then stayed one more year and played before going on amicable turns. I see no reason Dawson not doing that.
Suarez and Ronaldo wanted out for huge global clubs and were convinced to stay at massive English clubs. That’s a far cry from Dawson’s predicament.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 14, 2018, 11:23:18 AM
I doubt very much he will be our back up option. That is Fitzwater.

We need minimum 4 CBs for the season, possibly 5.  My preference is 5, with one or more being able to fill in at full back too.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 14, 2018, 01:47:08 PM
Suarez and Ronaldo wanted out for huge global clubs and were convinced to stay at massive English clubs. That’s a far cry from Dawson’s predicament.

While I agree with you, Dawson is also a far cry from Suarez and Ronaldo in terms of ability!
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 14, 2018, 02:49:06 PM
While I agree with you, Dawson is also a far cry from Suarez and Ronaldo in terms of ability!
Correct you’d be mad to think I was suggesting otherwise. But we are a championship team now and Dawson clearly feels he’s better than that. It will be hard for us to do what Liverpool and man united did with those mentioned players because they were still operating at the highest level. We are operating at a level considerably below where Dawson see himself. So his situation is far closer to that of Evans which was the comparison I made before someone else quite bizarrely bought Suarez and Ronaldo in to it.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: liverbaggie on July 14, 2018, 05:31:25 PM
Don't get me wrong here,I do like most of our current squad but,when players think they are a premier league standard and want to leave and throw their toys out,will Dave politely remind them that our relegation proves they aren't that quality and if Dave wants them to stay ,they stay put.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie38 on July 16, 2018, 08:12:16 AM
Would think he would be announced today considering he had his medical on Friday. Club rarely announce signings over the weekend so today should be the day. If we can keep him fit it sounds like he is one of the best defenders in the league.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Smethwickender93 on July 16, 2018, 10:20:07 AM
All confirmed on Twitter. Welcome Kyle
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: sammyg on July 16, 2018, 10:28:09 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/july/bartley-signs-for-albion/ All done on official site
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: skyclad99 on July 16, 2018, 10:31:05 AM
Excellent - welcome to the club Kyle

Hopefully the first of a few signings this week or two......
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 16, 2018, 10:31:33 AM
Welcome Kyle. Not seen much of him, I hope he impresses.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 16, 2018, 10:32:59 AM
This is good news - he's been well regarded in this division and plays in a position where we're in dire need of strengthening. Let's hope he manages to stay fit.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kie the baggie on July 16, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
Absolute peanuts in this day and age, no brainer. Welcome
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 16, 2018, 10:50:04 AM
Can’t say I’ve seen a lot of him. Mainly due to injuries 38 games in six years?
Represents a gamble but Leeds fans rave about him.
Good luck Kyle really hope you stay fit and sounds like could be real asset in this league if you do
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: geoff on July 16, 2018, 10:56:11 AM
welcome to the Albion Kyle, hold on tight Mukka because your in for a roller coaster of ride for the next 3 years. ;)
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 16, 2018, 11:15:19 AM
Like others I've not seen him play but he seems well regarded, especially at Blues and Leeds. I think it's important that we have some players with experience of the Championship (and playing well in it!), welcome to the Baggies Kyle.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: don1thedon on July 16, 2018, 11:38:14 AM
Great news welcome aboard Kyle, I hope you go on to become a real favourite! Boing Boing!
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheBrom on July 16, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Good cheap solid signing by the looks of it. Welcome to the club, the start of many deals hopefully
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: koren on July 16, 2018, 12:57:41 PM
Welcome to Albion. :)

Experienced defender in championship level and seems Leeds' fans rated him.
Good start for center back role overhaul hopefully.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 16, 2018, 01:23:11 PM
Welcome to the club, Kyle
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: gerry m on July 16, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Welcome to the Albion Kyle and good luck.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggiebof on July 16, 2018, 03:12:37 PM
Interesting comments from Big Dave in the article below that he can play in different positions and that it gives us options regarding how we set up. We've only seen a 4-4-1-1 with Big Dave really so interesting as to what this refers to tactically.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/july/im-absolutely-delighted-we-have-got-him---moore/

DARREN Moore believes Kyle Bartley can prove a major acquisition for Albion as the Club sets about regaining Premier League status.

The Head Coach has added the towering defender to his options for the back-line, a signing which follows the recruitment of keeper Sam Johnstone.

“I’ve been aware of Kyle for a long time and kept my eye on his career as it has graduated - and I’m absolutely delighted we have got him,” says Darren.

“I think this lad has got great presence and can also be a very adaptable defender. I believe he can play in different positions which gives me greater options in terms of how we might set up.

“He has presence and pace and good qualities. And I also think he has his best football ahead of him.

“I am really looking forward to working with him and I think he is looking forward to working with me. He is certainly excited to join us and relishing the chance of a new start.

“We will get the chance to give him a good week’s work with the boys in training with a view to his featuring at Aberdeen on Friday night.”
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Scruffy Stan on July 16, 2018, 03:52:20 PM
Interesting comments from Big Dave in the article below that he can play in different positions and that it gives us options regarding how we set up. We've only seen a 4-4-1-1 with Big Dave really so interesting as to what this refers to tactically.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/july/im-absolutely-delighted-we-have-got-him---moore/

DARREN Moore believes Kyle Bartley can prove a major acquisition for Albion as the Club sets about regaining Premier League status.

The Head Coach has added the towering defender to his options for the back-line, a signing which follows the recruitment of keeper Sam Johnstone.

“I’ve been aware of Kyle for a long time and kept my eye on his career as it has graduated - and I’m absolutely delighted we have got him,” says Darren.

“I think this lad has got great presence and can also be a very adaptable defender. I believe he can play in different positions which gives me greater options in terms of how we might set up.


Just as long as that's not the equivalent of TP thinking James Chester could play at right back - has Bartley ever played anywhere other than CB?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheBrom on July 16, 2018, 05:25:31 PM
Leeds fans really annoyed about this signing on Twitter. There’s more comments from them than our fans on the announcement tweet. A good number suggesting he’s captain material too.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 16, 2018, 06:24:24 PM
Hope he remains fit and I assume will slot into the first team alongside either Dawson or Hegazi

Haven't really seen much of him unfortunately so not sure what to expect
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on July 16, 2018, 07:01:53 PM
Hope he remains fit and I assume will slot into the first team alongside either Dawson or Hegazi

Haven't really seen much of him unfortunately so not sure what to expect


Not Dawson. He'll be long gone. We need to ship him out asap, as he has no interest in playing for us anymore.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 16, 2018, 07:29:51 PM

Not Dawson. He'll be long gone. We need to ship him out asap, as he has no interest in playing for us anymore.

Yeah, good point.

If Dawson departs then two centre halves are needed in my view.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 16, 2018, 08:49:03 PM
Welcome to the Albion, Kyle, and here's to a happy and successful career here.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: liverbaggie on July 16, 2018, 09:25:16 PM
Welcome Kyle, looking forward to watching you play for us.
Keep humble,and don't get too big for your boots,like Dawson.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionBest on July 16, 2018, 09:43:06 PM
Welcome.
Seems a decent solid squad signing for this level.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 14, 2018, 11:49:37 PM
  I live and work in Leeds and one of my work mates text me after the game tonight and said he couldn't believe Bartley was the same player they had two years ago under Monk he thought he was absolutely shocking tonight.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: lewisant on September 15, 2018, 07:07:43 AM
They were gutted they didn’t sign him but he looks absolutely awful for us. Every time he’s involved you with he’s going to give it away or have a hold of the players shirt. Yeah, notnkeen!
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: liverbaggie on September 15, 2018, 07:45:08 AM
Yes he doesn't look very comfortable at all on that side,perhaps swap sides with hegazi?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 15, 2018, 04:38:04 PM
Him and Nyom are never footballers
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kirk on September 15, 2018, 05:13:22 PM
Interesting comments from Big Dave in the article below that he can play in different positions and that it gives us options regarding how we set up. We've only seen a 4-4-1-1 with Big Dave really so interesting as to what this refers to tactically.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/july/im-absolutely-delighted-we-have-got-him---moore/

DARREN Moore believes Kyle Bartley can prove a major acquisition for Albion as the Club sets about regaining Premier League status.

The Head Coach has added the towering defender to his options for the back-line, a signing which follows the recruitment of keeper Sam Johnstone.

“I’ve been aware of Kyle for a long time and kept my eye on his career as it has graduated - and I’m absolutely delighted we have got him,” says Darren.

“I think this lad has got great presence and can also be a very adaptable defender. I believe he can play in different positions which gives me greater options in terms of how we might set up.

“He has presence and pace and good qualities. And I also think he has his best football ahead of him.

“I am really looking forward to working with him and I think he is looking forward to working with me. He is certainly excited to join us and relishing the chance of a new start.

“We will get the chance to give him a good week’s work with the boys in training with a view to his featuring at Aberdeen on Friday night.”

Reading big Dave’s comments ..... you have to question his management ability as all I have seen is a very very poor defender
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: deejay on September 16, 2018, 04:38:35 AM
this guy seems pure Sunday League
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 16, 2018, 05:39:02 AM
Have to say I don't see it, he's not great, he is pretty average, he's certainly not a dominant GMac but he's no worse than half a dozen others we regularly see out there on the pitch.

What he is is the new guy who has replaced a stalwart favourite who many have already decided is gash and nothing he does will be up to the required standard. Sadly our fan base (not exclusively the fan base on here) seems to enjoy having a few hate figures to beat down on. Rondon was last season's and looks like Bartley is becoming this seasons big boo boy

Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on September 16, 2018, 08:36:23 AM
Have to say I don't see it, he's not great, he is pretty average, he's certainly not a dominant GMac but he's no worse than half a dozen others we regularly see out there on the pitch.

What he is is the new guy who has replaced a stalwart favourite who many have already decided is gash and nothing he does will be up to the required standard. Sadly our fan base (not exclusively the fan base on here) seems to enjoy having a few hate figures to beat down on. Rondon was last season's and looks like Bartley is becoming this seasons big boo boy


I don't think that's the case.
Most fans will only say what they see.
I think they're as quick to praise as they are to admonish.
In this case Bartley isn't doing himself any favours, but Darren Moore has to take some of the blame. He's bought a player in to play in a system that he obviously is uncomfortable playing.
On Friday I don't think I saw a forward pass from Bartley, he looked as though he wanted to pass the responsibility to someone else, and his handball was totally inexcusable.
Certainly looked out of his depth on Friday night
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: 17GD on September 16, 2018, 09:06:35 AM
To be honest he should be arrested for stealing (a living).
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: iwastherein68 on September 16, 2018, 09:22:04 AM
This guy offers very little on the deck , and is even poor in the air. He struts about like Franz Beckenbauer, always appearing to be telling others what to do. The Leeds fans seemed to think he was great when he was there, but we have seen nothing to suggest he will be a success here. Early days yet, but the left side is very weak with Bartley there, and other than playing Field on that side I can see no alternative. I think from what I have seen so far that Dawson, Hegazi, and young Tosin are ahead of Bartley at present , but I doubt any of them would be comfortable on the left.
I think we have brought players in to play in a four, and since Jones arrived have decided to play three at the back.
That is a Jones (Martinez) ploy and in my humble opinion not at all what Moore had planned.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Foster#1 on September 16, 2018, 10:34:50 AM
We will have to change The center backs soon..

He's only one yellow away from a 1 game suspension
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2018, 10:39:50 AM
He's not been great so far, but not many have been ?
It may be (justa thought) that he'd be better/more stable if he had more faith in the players around him, or at least knew what they were all going to do

I get that Moore may have been dealt a bad hand, but you would have thought CB was one are he would be able to sort quickest ?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on September 16, 2018, 10:46:03 AM
He's not been great so far, but not many have been ?
It may be (justa thought) that he'd be better/more stable if he had more faith in the players around him, or at least knew what they were all going to do

I get that Moore may have been dealt a bad hand, but you would have thought CB was one are he would be able to sort quickest ?

How's he been dealt a bad hand?
Who signed Bartley?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 16, 2018, 10:51:15 AM
Quite simply you can't make Gary Strodder into Franco Baresi.


Bartley would probably be an okay Championship stopper (though he has also looked poor aerially in both boxes) but this playing out from the back is not remotely his game and this is where Jones is letting Moore down imo.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albion79 on September 16, 2018, 11:11:48 AM
I totally agree Jacko, Bartley is what he is, a no nonsense championship defender.

By asking him to play out from the back we are doing him or us no favours, to me if he plays in a back 3, he has to play in the middie of the 3, he does seem the most vocal, but also play him down the centre, let him try and attack and win the ball, play to his strengths and the two centre halves either side of him cover him and try to do the playing out.

The problem at the moment with that is neither Dawson or Hegazi inspire confidence as the 'ball players' i dont think Dawson has ever been great on the ball but he is okay and at this level we should be okay with him there, problem is this season he has struggled so far. Hegazi just reminds me too much of Matt Carbon, can look really good but you know there is a stupid mistake or dodgy pass waiting to happen.

It looks like at least one of Bartley or Hegazi has to play but i would give Tosin a run of games and line up with -

Dawson - Bartley - Tosin

IF we did go up then Dawson would be the obvious candidate to move into the centre of the back 3 replacing Bartley and get two other ball playing centre halfs either side of him but with what we have now we have to make the best of it.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on September 16, 2018, 11:14:08 AM
Quite simply you can't make Gary Strodder into Franco Baresi.


Bartley would probably be an okay Championship stopper (though he has also looked poor aerially in both boxes) but this playing out from the back is not remotely his game and this is where Jones is letting Moore down imo.

I think some people are very quick to defend Darren Moore based on his past connections with the club, the same people are saying that Darren Moore is his own man and in control of things.
Darren Moore is Head Coach, therefore all decisions playing are his (allegedly) and he should be judged on what goes on the pitch now not what happened on the pitch 15 years ago.
Surely if Jones has suggested that we play out from a back three the way we currently are, Darren Moore is surely savvy enough to see and say that we don't currently have the players to be able to do that comfortably.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on September 16, 2018, 11:32:31 AM
I totally agree Jacko, Bartley is what he is, a no nonsense championship defender.

By asking him to play out from the back we are doing him or us no favours, to me if he plays in a back 3, he has to play in the middie of the 3, he does seem the most vocal, but also play him down the centre, let him try and attack and win the ball, play to his strengths and the two centre halves either side of him cover him and try to do the playing out.

The problem at the moment with that is neither Dawson or Hegazi inspire confidence as the 'ball players' i dont think Dawson has ever been great on the ball but he is okay and at this level we should be okay with him there, problem is this season he has struggled so far. Hegazi just reminds me too much of Matt Carbon, can look really good but you know there is a stupid mistake or dodgy pass waiting to happen.

It looks like at least one of Bartley or Hegazi has to play but i would give Tosin a run of games and line up with -

Dawson - Bartley - Tosin

IF we did go up then Dawson would be the obvious candidate to move into the centre of the back 3 replacing Bartley and get two other ball playing centre halfs either side of him but with what we have now we have to make the best of it.


In style I agree to some extent but Hegazi is much better. Carbon used to hit 60 yard passes all the time the amount that he actually executed correctly were very rare he was actually awful at it. Hegazi's passing is much better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2018, 11:58:20 AM
How's he been dealt a bad hand?
Who signed Bartley?
The will they /won't they appoint him saga
No one should have to come in to a club after Pullis and then Pardew
Transfer window
Dawson
Foster

I think it's fair to say it's not been stable and well strategised ?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on September 16, 2018, 12:25:32 PM
The will they /won't they appoint him saga
No one should have to come in to a club after Pullis and then Pardew
Transfer window
Dawson
Foster

I think it's fair to say it's not been stable and well strategised ?

I agree it was/is a mess and that's why IMO we needed an experienced head coach. I don't think DM has the experience or the nouse to turn this around in the time scale expected by a fan base that in the main expects to be in the play offs at least at the end of the season.
I hope I'm totally wrong
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2018, 02:59:36 PM
I agree it was/is a mess and that's why IMO we needed an experienced head coach. I don't think DM has the experience or the nouse to turn this around in the time scale expected by a fan base that in the main expects to be in the play offs at least at the end of the season.
I hope I'm totally wrong
I don't think anyone is fully happy
But
There are considerations,we speak for the need of experience, but we had Pullis and Pardew who are "experience"
We say that the club won't play the kids and promote from within, but Moore used to manage the kids and he got promoted from within

West Bromwich Albion is not currently an easy place to ply your trade, we have been used to (relative) success , we have players who don't seem to either want to be here or haven't settled, we have disjointed unclear ownership and direction

Interesting years ahead
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 18, 2018, 10:20:59 PM
Think we need to give tosin a go as Bartley scares the life out of me
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on September 19, 2018, 12:01:07 AM
Clearly uncomfortable in a three as a left sided centre back. Hegazi in the middle is a passive lump and Dawson trying to sort it all out. Clearly doesn't work.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbawill on September 22, 2018, 07:10:44 PM
Agree that Dawson - Hegazi - Bartley is not a back three that is going to get promoted, unless things dramatically improve. Unfortunately Adarabioyo doesn't seem like the answer either and I'm not sure any of them is particularly playing worse than the others.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: 1954 on September 22, 2018, 07:43:18 PM
Agree that Dawson - Hegazi - Bartley is not a back three that is going to get promoted, unless things dramatically improve. Unfortunately Adarabioyo doesn't seem like the answer either and I'm not sure any of them is particularly playing worse than the others.
I could understand you saying that BEFORE the game but not after. Thought all 3 of them had good games today (However that might be down to today's poor opposition)
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: mulliganstired on September 22, 2018, 09:27:04 PM
I could understand you saying that BEFORE the game but not after. Thought all 3 of them had good games today (However that might be down to today's poor opposition)
There looked like a bit more cohesion today, but maybe that was Millwall being fairly poor/slow up front.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on September 22, 2018, 10:19:19 PM
Give the guy a break please. He (Bartley) played really well today I thought.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 22, 2018, 11:14:48 PM
Give the guy a break please. He (Bartley) played really well today I thought.


Let's not get carried away, there was only one major rick, which is of course an improvement on his previous performances.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on September 23, 2018, 06:24:48 AM
Hopefully that performance can give him a bit more confidence.
He didn't have a lot to phase him yesterday but he concentrated and did his job well.
Hope he gets better again in the next game.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on September 30, 2018, 01:17:53 PM
Sorry but I think he is the worst centre half ive ever seen at the Albion,i go back to the early 70s Wile and Robertson,awesome partnership,and ive seen a few bad ones but this guy is a another level,i actually think we could play any outfield player in the entire squad and they would do a better job.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on September 30, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
Sorry but I think he is the worst centre half ive ever seen at the Albion,i go back to the early 70s Wile and Robertson,awesome partnership,and ive seen a few bad ones but this guy is a another level,i actually think we could play any outfield player in the entire squad and they would do a better job.

Bit over the top IMV given the dross we’ve had over the years. Happy to keep him this season and sell in the summer if we go up. Hegazi isn’t good enough either. Our squad essentially is strong at this level but relegation material in the premiership.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: liverbaggie on September 30, 2018, 09:12:23 PM
I thought hegazi has been a decent signing good enough for the prem.
Who would you have instead?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: 17GD on September 30, 2018, 10:23:21 PM
It's unfair to compare him to anyone other than a current player. Football has changed a lot over the past decade, let alone 40 years.

Mardon, Raven, Strodder were all faves of mine, but would they hack the current playing style? Not overly convinced they would. In the 90s we were a poor to average division one team. The Championship is much tougher than it was back when.

I'd say the problem with most of the CBs I've seen at west brom is distribution. Olsson is one of the most recent cases. Could never doubt his commitment or desire, but he couldn't pass to save his life. And he was another one who had his hands all over the opposition.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 01, 2018, 01:02:06 PM
He's poor.

Plays with a laid back attitude and parades around in a half arsed manner. I wouldn't mind it if he could play.. !
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on October 01, 2018, 02:31:34 PM
He's poor.

Plays with a laid back attitude and parades around in a half arsed manner. I wouldn't mind it if he could play.. !

I like the way he struts around telling the rest of the players to calm down after he's played the ball to the opposition of played a hospital ball.
He's definitely not cut out for the system were playing.
Might (I say might) be ok in a straight back 4 if he hasn't got to play football too much
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 01, 2018, 04:39:49 PM
He struggles playing left side as a right footer needs to play in the middle or the right of the 3. Defiantly the weak link at the moment
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: seteefeet on October 01, 2018, 04:45:16 PM
He struggles playing left side as a right footer needs to play in the middle or the right of the 3. Defiantly the weak link at the moment
It would suggest that he is the least uncomfortable of the 3, so the other two must be real bad!!
I just think the style of play leaves us a bit exposed and we are not used to it after Pulis and his 9 behind the ball.
Not only are we the top scorers in the league though, we also have the 2nd best goal difference so, our balance of defence / attack  is also better than 22 other teams.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 01, 2018, 04:51:19 PM
It would suggest that he is the least uncomfortable of the 3, so the other two must be real bad!!
I just think the style of play leaves us a bit exposed and we are not used to it after Pulis and his 9 behind the ball.
Not only are we the top scorers in the league though, we also have the 2nd best goal difference so, our balance of defence / attack  is also better than 22 other teams.

Fair points. I'm not convinced Dawson would be any good left side.
In relative terms our attack v defence isn't an issue as we seem to keep out scoring teams. However GD is inflated by the +6 v QPR. We are conceding over a goal a game on average.

Team needs second clean sheet to further build defensive confidence if we manage that in an away game that would do so twofold.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBArgo on October 01, 2018, 07:52:35 PM
I think he would be fine in a typical back 4 but in our back 3 system he is badly exposed. The other two can just about do it but it's an ask too far with Bartley.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 02, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
I think he would be fine in a typical back 4 but in our back 3 system he is badly exposed. The other two can just about do it but it's an ask too far with Bartley.

Strikes me that he's on the wrong side of it. Hegazi is more comfortable on his left, and so it should be Dawson-Bartley-Hegazi. Might not solve all the problems, but balances it better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on October 02, 2018, 02:24:34 PM
Strikes me that he's on the wrong side of it. Hegazi is more comfortable on his left, and so it should be Dawson-Bartley-Hegazi. Might not solve all the problems, but balances it better.

You have to hope that they have tried all combinations in training and this is the best one  :-\
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BalisPen on October 03, 2018, 12:13:12 PM
I heard Darren Moore saying there is basically no time for them to work on anything in training at the moment moment has games are Saturday then Tuesday and so on.

Hopefully, they will get the time to work on the defence and improve it as I don't think such a leaky defence can go up automatically.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: CL3MO on October 03, 2018, 10:01:19 PM
This guy is a 4/10 5/10 every single week. You normally only have one of them and you're dropped.

Time for Tosin for me.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBArgo on October 03, 2018, 10:03:12 PM
This guy is a 4/10 5/10 every single week. You normally only have one of them and you're dropped.

Time for Tosin for me.

My thoughts exactly. I don't think Tosin can do any worse and it's worth a go. If he fails, bring back Bartley - if he succeeds we've strengthened our first 11.

Problem is I think Moore has his favourites and I can't see him dropping Bartley.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
Another 2 million to fork out if he helps get us up, maybe the word help is a tad over the top. Always going to be nervy with him in the team
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tommcneill on October 03, 2018, 10:11:21 PM
I have no confidence in this guy at all

Walking disaster, he needs replacing
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on October 03, 2018, 10:15:21 PM
I genuinely think i'm a better player than him. My positioning is better in the very least.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Dexy on October 03, 2018, 10:15:52 PM
Bad fit for three at the back , he's the worst of a bad bunch at the minute.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on October 03, 2018, 10:18:14 PM
At the moment, in this formation, he is dire.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
He needs to either play centre of the 3 or not at all as he keeps getting found out. Surprised we ahvent given the kid from City a go. Maybe Saturday is the day
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: caravanc58 on October 03, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
isn't he close to a suspension?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: salaswba on October 03, 2018, 10:38:17 PM
If we do go up and he plays in the Prem he will get rinsed week after week
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: paulosull on October 03, 2018, 10:46:15 PM
Not at fault for goal tonight as he clearly gave Dawson the call but besides that he is awful. Moore seems to be a stubborn sod when it comes to players in first team and in squad, being a youngster at the Albion seems to be a hindrance
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2018, 10:51:19 PM
isn't he close to a suspension?

Yes he's on 4 bookings
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: caravanc58 on October 03, 2018, 10:58:45 PM
Yes he's on 4 bookings
was that before tonight's match? think he got booked tonight.clutching at straws to get him out the team.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 03, 2018, 11:05:23 PM
was that before tonight's match? think he got booked tonight.clutching at straws to get him out the team.

Sadly after tonight's
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: caravanc58 on October 03, 2018, 11:07:55 PM
Sadly after tonight's
ah well it won't be long coming.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: ex coseley kid on October 03, 2018, 11:14:10 PM
This guy is useless. Drop him.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: ranvir wba90 on October 03, 2018, 11:22:04 PM
He is just not suited to playing this system. Probably much better in a flat back four. If big dave is going to persist with this formation than tosin would b the better option. And maybe looking at chris mepham from brentford in jan.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 03, 2018, 11:30:29 PM
Some footballers are robbing a living
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on October 04, 2018, 06:45:47 AM
I watched him last night, though you can't blame him directly for either goal he truly is awful.
No pace, poor on the ball and he's always got hold of the shirt of the player he's marking.
I wonder if Darren Moore would have been so understanding if he had Bartley along side him in his playing days?
We're getting away with it at the moment, we desperately need to replace him.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mo on October 04, 2018, 07:23:22 AM
The warning signs were there when Graham Potter was prepared to sell him less than 2  weeks into his job at Swansea.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie38 on October 04, 2018, 07:34:57 AM
Bartley and Hegazi are walking disasters even at this level. We have kept one clean sheet all season and it shows no signs of improving. I would rather of kept G Mac for another season as opposed to playing either one of Bartley Hegazi
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 04, 2018, 07:36:47 AM
Bartley and Hegazi are walking disasters even at this level. We have kept one clean sheet all season and it shows no signs of improving. I would rather of kept G Mac for another season as opposed to playing either one of Bartley Hegazi


absolutely spot on. another mistake by the club
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Dexy on October 04, 2018, 07:43:33 AM
Bartley and Hegazi are walking disasters even at this level. We have kept one clean sheet all season and it shows no signs of improving. I would rather of kept G Mac for another season as opposed to playing either one of Bartley Hegazi
Gmac , like Bartley isn't cut out to play in a back three in a million years . Playing in a three needs pace and positional awareness , Gmac would have been ran all over and left for dead the way we set up .
Standard back 4 he'd have been fine.
Bartley needs taking out the firing line but then again the others aren't much better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Baggies on October 04, 2018, 08:25:04 AM
Is it the system we are playing causing ournpoor defending, or the personnel (or maybe it is being neglected in training in favour of scoring goals, as Jones made his opinions very clear when he arrived)?

Hegazi and Dawson were both okay(ish) in the prem yet even they look poor so it does suggest the system is the main issue.

I don't feel the defensive midfielders offer the same cover to the defence that Mulumbu and Yacob used to offer in years gone by, I rarely see them breaking up play so that can't help.

In the case of Bartley though, he seems to be beaten off the mark so often and he gets caught out of position in the air atleast once or twice a game (completely in no mans land for their second after Dawson failed to connect with his header).

Personally, i'd put Toisin in there to see if that worked and if not, you have to consider tweaking the system in other ways because we need some clean sheets to win gams more comfortably.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: lewisant on October 04, 2018, 08:48:56 AM
I think Bartley is the kind of defender that would be fine in a Pulis back 8 sitting deep where the goal isn't playing it out but in this system i think he's really struggling. I'd like to see Tosin given a chance as he's come through the City ranks where surely this style of play is embedded into them?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 04, 2018, 08:51:34 AM
I think Bartley is the kind of defender that would be fine in a Pulis back 8 sitting deep where the goal isn't playing it out but in this system i think he's really struggling. I'd like to see Tosin given a chance as he's come through the City ranks where surely this style of play is embedded into them?

Head and kick it away, Bartley would be alright, but not in our side and the way Darren wants the defenders to play. We want to play football from the back, we surely have to pick a lad who spent a year under Pep Guardiola whose whole philosophy is ball retention over Bartley who is simply unable to play with the ball at his feet.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: lewisant on October 04, 2018, 09:00:52 AM
Head and kick it away, Bartley would be alright, but not in our side and the way Darren wants the defenders to play. We want to play football from the back, we surely have to pick a lad who spent a year under Pep Guardiola whose whole philosophy is ball retention over Bartley who is simply unable to play with the ball at his feet.

It's logical.

I'm loving our time under Big Dave and he's learning and i think the one thing he needs to learn fast is to be pro-active with team selections and subs...the latter was achieved last night although i know some will say it was luck...
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 04, 2018, 09:13:06 AM
There was an interview with Bartley in the Millwall programme where he states that he is used to playing out from the back as that is how he learned his trade at Arsenal and then Swansea. If that's the case why does he look so uncomfortable on the ball?

I'd be looking for at least 1 other CB in January.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on October 04, 2018, 09:19:10 AM
There was an interview with Bartley in the Millwall programme where he states that he is used to playing out from the back as that is how he learned his trade at Arsenal and then Swansea. If that's the case why does he look so uncomfortable on the ball?

I'd be looking for at least 1 other CB in January.

Maybe because he's predominantly a right footer, not sure if it would work with him in the middle and Hegazi on the left.
Another problem with him is when he looses the ball he has a distinctive lack of pace.
I've seen cheese turn faster than him
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 04, 2018, 09:41:41 AM
Maybe because he's predominantly a right footer, not sure if it would work with him in the middle and Hegazi on the left.
Another problem with him is when he looses the ball he has a distinctive lack of pace.
I've seen cheese turn faster than him
I agree about him being on the wrong side and also that he'd be better played either centrally or on the right hand side but there's more to being comfortable on the ball than passing. He always seems to look to get rid of the ball as quickly as possible, not to speed up or start an attack but just to get rid of it.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tylerm on October 04, 2018, 01:50:29 PM
There was an interview with Bartley in the Millwall programme where he states that he is used to playing out from the back as that is how he learned his trade at Arsenal and then Swansea. If that's the case why does he look so uncomfortable on the ball?

I'd be looking for at least 1 other CB in January.

The problem may be that no central midfielder ahead of him offers him a pass? If he does pass to Brunt he normally passes it straight back
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on October 06, 2018, 06:33:03 PM
looked better today and generally made the right decisions
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 07, 2018, 01:17:55 AM
looked better today and generally made the right decisions

Goal also might do him some good
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinging_along on October 08, 2018, 10:48:31 AM
The problem may be that no central midfielder ahead of him offers him a pass? If he does pass to Brunt he normally passes it straight back
I can be quite critical of Brunt but popping the ball straight back off is pretty standard to keep the ball moving and players moving.  The issue we have is that the ball is laid back and there's been zero movement so we are just right back where we are rather than the next pass being the one that gets us on the front foot.

When our defence is on the ball we are spanning too much width for 3 players.  Watch what happens when Hegazi in the middle gets it, Bartley and Dawson start jogging back towards the touch line.  You end up with 30 yards of space between each of the defenders.  Rather than giving us width it's limiting the options.  It's fine if you're Barcelona and have defenders who can play a one-two around the attacker, not so much when you have defenders who can't hit a ball 10 yards.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: graka on October 08, 2018, 11:14:56 PM
My main concern with Bartley and hegazi is they are poor defenders regardless of the fact Bartley looks uncomfortable trying to play out.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on October 09, 2018, 06:25:26 AM
My main concern with Bartley and hegazi is they are poor defenders regardless of the fact Bartley looks uncomfortable trying to play out.

I disagree, I think in a standard back 4 they're fine.
The problem is we're asking old fashioned centre halves to play modern football.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tylerm on October 09, 2018, 10:32:44 AM
I disagree, I think in a standard back 4 they're fine.
The problem is we're asking old fashioned centre halves to play modern football.

Bartley has taken a while to settle in but looks fractionally better now. At least he appears to have stopped the shirt pulling and holding that really was going to cost us.
Changed my opinion on him when I read he was the last player off the training pitch every day as he is trying to improve. Also remember that he is playing on his wrong side as he is naturally right footed
We have a season to improve our defensive play (I include central midfield in that aswell) as if this side played top premier league opposition we would concede 10
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on October 09, 2018, 12:08:42 PM
Bartley has taken a while to settle in but looks fractionally better now. At least he appears to have stopped the shirt pulling and holding that really was going to cost us.
Changed my opinion on him when I read he was the last player off the training pitch every day as he is trying to improve. Also remember that he is playing on his wrong side as he is naturally right footed
We have a season to improve our defensive play (I include central midfield in that aswell) as if this side played top premier league opposition we would concede 10

I think he had a decent game on Saturday TBH, and hopefully that goal will do his confidence a lot of good.
The midfield need to be drilled better IMO to make sure they are always available to take the ball off the back 3. Too often no one shows in midfield and the back 3 are left to cope on their own and that makes the look inept.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kie the baggie on October 09, 2018, 12:13:53 PM
I disagree, I think in a standard back 4 they're fine.
The problem is we're asking old fashioned centre halves to play modern football.
Disagree, in my opinion, they are getting zero protection from the midfield 2 due to lack of pace and mobility. I have lost count of times when our back 3 are exposed to 3 and 4 on 3 attacks. Doesnt help either when no CM give them an option on the ball when playing out from the back especially away from home. Really think with a more energetic midfielder will ease pressure on that back 3 and they may flourish
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinging_along on October 09, 2018, 12:25:10 PM
Disagree, in my opinion, they are getting zero protection from the midfield 2 due to lack of pace and mobility. I have lost count of times when our back 3 are exposed to 3 and 4 on 3 attacks. Doesnt help either when no CM give them an option on the ball when playing out from the back especially away from home. Really think with a more energetic midfielder will ease pressure on that back 3 and they may flourish

The times the back 3 are exposed to those kind of attacks are when that same back 3 have given the ball away cheaply.  The midfield simply isn't being carved through time after time.  The defence quite often plays a poor pass which either directly gives possession away or leaves the player who does get the ball with very few options and that leads to giving possession away.  If this happens in our half then we are drastically short.

I've said this before, the issue is the back 3 spread too far wide when we have possession.  The defending team don't mind it being spread out wide over 20-30 yards because they can close down.  In the mean time they know they only have to guard a forward pass to the two midfielders or wait for Dawson or Hegazi to try and hit it long to Barnes, Gayle, J-Rod.

It's amusing to see the blame being laid at the door of the midfield when I've lost count how many simple 10 yard passes the defence have misplaced so far this season. 
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 09, 2018, 01:57:32 PM
Not only has it been thoroughly enjoyable to watch the team this year, it has also been really interesting trying to understand the formation and tactics behind it.  Just a few of my observations on Bartley and the defence;

They appear to deliberately play wide to try and stretch the opposition from side to side and find the gaps into midfield.  To me a big part of the problem does appear to be the CM area, as none of our CM's apart from Barry is naturally adept at creating the angles and picking the ball up from them (and Barry was never the quickest in his prime, at times now he is running through treacle).  Brunty really does give this a good go, but it is not his natural game and Livermore looks more comfortable a bit higher up the pitch.   Often their passes go astray because they just lack good options (not always, each of the back three has also been guilty of a few stinkers but generally).

When a team plays high and presses, the defenders are put under a LOT of pressure, but they are obviously encouraged to keep passing as the idea is to try and draw the opposition on and beat the press creating space for the midfield and strikers to run onto.   When this works it looks fantastic but does occasionally lead to some hairy moments....thankfully Bartley does not seem to have Hegazi's Cruyf turn in his locker - not sure my nerves could stand that.

The open nature of our play often leaves the defence without any midfield cover creating three on three or even four on three breakaways when we give the ball away, and the defenders are often back pedalling for their lives.  There is nothing a defender dislikes more that going backwards at pace (ask our opponents) and again it does make the defenders "look poor" but I think they do a decent job of holding the opposition up most of the time. 

As well as having little CM cover, the wing backs in this set up are very much offensive players first and foremost.  I remember watching Phillips go through the half way line and break past the forwards against Millwall in INJURY TIME...there is very little tucking in and playing safe. 

I think Bartley, in a defensive unit of Dawson, Hegazi, Bartley and Gibbs with Barry playing as shield would "look" a more than decent Centre Half at this level, particularly at £2 million down.   Decent in the air, CAN pass a simple ball, not quick but no slouch and as shown at the weekend a potential threat at set pieces.    As it is he is playing on his wrong side, in a side committed to attacking and although he looks cumbersome at times I think he is doing a decent job.   

As I said I am really enjoying watching the team this season, and playing three at the back really does offer something different.  We may find ourselves on the end of a spanking at some point, but I am sure that as a unit the defence can improve over the season.  It would also make a big difference if we can somehow find a more mobile CM partnership out of January who would fit better into the system.



Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: mulliganstired on October 09, 2018, 04:38:47 PM
I'm not sure any of the back three really deserve all the flak they're getting, they're obviously under instructions, among other things spreading right across to allow the wing backs to get forward quickly.  If it does leave us 4 v 3 at the back, well then its 6 v7  on the rest of the pitch.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinging_along on October 09, 2018, 04:50:58 PM
Do you think Hegazi is under instruction to Cruyff turn it in his own box, or to mishit a 10 yard pass?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BalisPen on October 09, 2018, 05:02:24 PM
Not only has it been thoroughly enjoyable to watch the team this year, it has also been really interesting trying to understand the formation and tactics behind it.  Just a few of my observations on Bartley and the defence;

They appear to deliberately play wide to try and stretch the opposition from side to side and find the gaps into midfield.  To me a big part of the problem does appear to be the CM area, as none of our CM's apart from Barry is naturally adept at creating the angles and picking the ball up from them (and Barry was never the quickest in his prime, at times now he is running through treacle).  Brunty really does give this a good go, but it is not his natural game and Livermore looks more comfortable a bit higher up the pitch.   Often their passes go astray because they just lack good options (not always, each of the back three has also been guilty of a few stinkers but generally).

When a team plays high and presses, the defenders are put under a LOT of pressure, but they are obviously encouraged to keep passing as the idea is to try and draw the opposition on and beat the press creating space for the midfield and strikers to run onto.   When this works it looks fantastic but does occasionally lead to some hairy moments....thankfully Bartley does not seem to have Hegazi's Cruyf turn in his locker - not sure my nerves could stand that.

The open nature of our play often leaves the defence without any midfield cover creating three on three or even four on three breakaways when we give the ball away, and the defenders are often back pedalling for their lives.  There is nothing a defender dislikes more that going backwards at pace (ask our opponents) and again it does make the defenders "look poor" but I think they do a decent job of holding the opposition up most of the time. 

As well as having little CM cover, the wing backs in this set up are very much offensive players first and foremost.  I remember watching Phillips go through the half way line and break past the forwards against Millwall in INJURY TIME...there is very little tucking in and playing safe. 

I think Bartley, in a defensive unit of Dawson, Hegazi, Bartley and Gibbs with Barry playing as shield would "look" a more than decent Centre Half at this level, particularly at £2 million down.   Decent in the air, CAN pass a simple ball, not quick but no slouch and as shown at the weekend a potential threat at set pieces.    As it is he is playing on his wrong side, in a side committed to attacking and although he looks cumbersome at times I think he is doing a decent job.   

As I said I am really enjoying watching the team this season, and playing three at the back really does offer something different.  We may find ourselves on the end of a spanking at some point, but I am sure that as a unit the defence can improve over the season.  It would also make a big difference if we can somehow find a more mobile CM partnership out of January who would fit better into the system.


I wish it was £2m down, but what has been reported is £4m down and another £2m if promotion is achieved.

We are crying out for a mf like mulumbu, and if we get one then the defence will sort it self hopefully.

If need be due to a injury crisis we have the option to play Livermore at Ch, as he played well in that position for Hull, and Sam Field has been playing at CH in the cup games.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 10, 2018, 06:49:14 AM
Not only has it been thoroughly enjoyable to watch the team this year, it has also been really interesting trying to understand the formation and tactics behind it.  Just a few of my observations on Bartley and the defence;

They appear to deliberately play wide to try and stretch the opposition from side to side and find the gaps into midfield.  To me a big part of the problem does appear to be the CM area, as none of our CM's apart from Barry is naturally adept at creating the angles and picking the ball up from them (and Barry was never the quickest in his prime, at times now he is running through treacle).  Brunty really does give this a good go, but it is not his natural game and Livermore looks more comfortable a bit higher up the pitch.   Often their passes go astray because they just lack good options (not always, each of the back three has also been guilty of a few stinkers but generally).

When a team plays high and presses, the defenders are put under a LOT of pressure, but they are obviously encouraged to keep passing as the idea is to try and draw the opposition on and beat the press creating space for the midfield and strikers to run onto.   When this works it looks fantastic but does occasionally lead to some hairy moments....thankfully Bartley does not seem to have Hegazi's Cruyf turn in his locker - not sure my nerves could stand that.

The open nature of our play often leaves the defence without any midfield cover creating three on three or even four on three breakaways when we give the ball away, and the defenders are often back pedalling for their lives.  There is nothing a defender dislikes more that going backwards at pace (ask our opponents) and again it does make the defenders "look poor" but I think they do a decent job of holding the opposition up most of the time. 

As well as having little CM cover, the wing backs in this set up are very much offensive players first and foremost. I remember watching Phillips go through the half way line and break past the forwards against Millwall in INJURY TIME...there is very little tucking in and playing safe. 

I think Bartley, in a defensive unit of Dawson, Hegazi, Bartley and Gibbs with Barry playing as shield would "look" a more than decent Centre Half at this level, particularly at £2 million down.   Decent in the air, CAN pass a simple ball, not quick but no slouch and as shown at the weekend a potential threat at set pieces.    As it is he is playing on his wrong side, in a side committed to attacking and although he looks cumbersome at times I think he is doing a decent job.   

As I said I am really enjoying watching the team this season, and playing three at the back really does offer something different.  We may find ourselves on the end of a spanking at some point, but I am sure that as a unit the defence can improve over the season.  It would also make a big difference if we can somehow find a more mobile CM partnership out of January who would fit better into the system.

Just a small point but Phillips was subbed in the 65th minute so not sure who you saw break past the forwards in injury time.
 
Generally agree with your other points though especially about Bartley in a back 4 and a lack of CM covering.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 10, 2018, 12:30:52 PM
Just a small point but Phillips was subbed in the 65th minute so not sure who you saw break past the forwards in injury time.
 
Generally agree with your other points though especially about Bartley in a back 4 and a lack of CM covering.

Fair play....not sure which game it was then, but I sit quite low down in the East Stand just past the half way line and remember Phillips come charging past me.   Not only did it surprise me because it was in injury time, but he had also look absolutely knackered a few minutes before...these boys really are breaking a neck for the Big Man.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 10, 2018, 12:36:53 PM
Do you think Hegazi is under instruction to Cruyff turn it in his own box, or to mishit a 10 yard pass?

Well he is obviously not being dissuaded from doing it (the Cruryff, not the mishit pass) as he's done it three or four times to my knowledge this season.  The only time it didn't come off was against Sheff Wed ? but thankfully their strikers slapped it well wide - another reason I'm loving the division this season, Aguero would have just slipped that in the bottom corner no bother :)

Part of a culture of risk taking I guess, and if it comes off more that it fails then I wont argue, as I'm a big believer in bravery on the ball as well as in the tackle....well I am once my heart starts beating again that is.


Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 10, 2018, 12:40:13 PM

I wish it was £2m down, but what has been reported is £4m down and another £2m if promotion is achieved.

We are crying out for a mf like mulumbu, and if we get one then the defence will sort it self hopefully.

If need be due to a injury crisis we have the option to play Livermore at Ch, as he played well in that position for Hull, and Sam Field has been playing at CH in the cup games.

Ridiculous I know but in the current market....£2 million or £4 million is in the same ball park.  £15 million for Ben Gibson anyone??
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 10, 2018, 02:20:01 PM
Fair play....not sure which game it was then, but I sit quite low down in the East Stand just past the half way line and remember Phillips come charging past me.   Not only did it surprise me because it was in injury time, but he had also look absolutely knackered a few minutes before...these boys really are breaking a neck for the Big Man.

You must sit fairly near me then!

one of the things I like about us at home is we generally don't try and sit on a lead, we look to score more...Stoke at home is one exception I can think of where we seemed to sit back with 10-15 mins to go trying to get that clean sheet and inviting pressure on. Millwall was similar too I guess but they never looked like scoring and we packed the defense to ensure the clean sheet (as much as any team can ensure one)
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: kie the baggie on October 10, 2018, 05:19:53 PM
The times the back 3 are exposed to those kind of attacks are when that same back 3 have given the ball away cheaply.  The midfield simply isn't being carved through time after time.  The defence quite often plays a poor pass which either directly gives possession away or leaves the player who does get the ball with very few options and that leads to giving possession away.  If this happens in our half then we are drastically short.

I've said this before, the issue is the back 3 spread too far wide when we have possession.  The defending team don't mind it being spread out wide over 20-30 yards because they can close down.  In the mean time they know they only have to guard a forward pass to the two midfielders or wait for Dawson or Hegazi to try and hit it long to Barnes, Gayle, J-Rod.

It's amusing to see the blame being laid at the door of the midfield when I've lost count how many simple 10 yard passes the defence have misplaced so far this season.
The reason they give it away, especially away from home is because there is no out ball in to midfield, not one of them will come deep to show for it, has got a little better since barry has come in to the team mind. Manority of away games I think the back 3 have had way more touches and passes compared to any other player, when thats the case, what do you think happens?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on October 10, 2018, 06:33:14 PM
The reason they give it away, especially away from home is because there is no out ball in to midfield, not one of them will come deep to show for it, has got a little better since barry has come in to the team mind. Manority of away games I think the back 3 have had way more touches and passes compared to any other player, when thats the case, what do you think happens?

Spot on. From what I can see the midfield doesn’t find space to drop in and receive the ball. Barry has improved this.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 25, 2018, 02:20:34 PM
Surprised this thread has not been resurrected.

An awful centre half.

I don't think I have ever seen an Albion team have to retake so many goal kicks..
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tommcneill on October 25, 2018, 03:14:15 PM
Quite possibly one of the worst Centre Backs ive seen, he is simply awful, nothing about him makes me feel comfortable when he is playing

Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on October 25, 2018, 03:17:51 PM
Well it's been resurrected now Liam  ;) .

I've refrained from commenting on this thread for fear that my first impressions of Kyle may have been a tad harsh. Those first impressions were garnered from worrying signs during the pre season friendly away to Aberdeen. I've seen no improvement to his game since then, rather a deeply concerning decline from what in truth was a fairly low plateau of opinion.

The vast majority of players have weaknesses. These weaknesses are often hidden or at least partially masked by their strengths. On balance (thus far) I feel it's fair to surmise Kyle has a number of weaknesses to his game. Unfortunately I am yet to see a single (consistently applied) discernible strength which has the kryptonite like qualities required to mask those deficiencies.

I'd say he isn't being used correctly, but in all honesty I've no idea as to whether the dressing room requires a door stop. Hopefully Darren can find a system to suit Kyle's strengths, once he finds out what they are. I've no idea whether he'd be more comfortable in a flat back four or as a flat pack for IKEA. I'll leave it there for now as it's about as polite as I can muster at this current time.

It's fair to say I am not a fan but genuinely hope he can turn things around........ Onward and COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: timdon on October 25, 2018, 04:26:46 PM
Not only poor but an out and out cheat, relying on shirt pulling and wrestling moves to contain whatever opponent he has in front of him. I know this is part and parcel of the modern game, but Bartley is one of the worst villains. He's the closest I have ever come to wanting one of our own players to be sent off, he annoys me that much.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on October 25, 2018, 06:30:09 PM
He gets on my nerves keep moaning at everyone else. Being vocal on the pitch is fine as long as it's constructive but Bartley does nothing but whinge at everybody else. He needs to concentrate on his own game. He had a right go at Gibbs yesterday when Bartley knocked the ball out of play near the East Stand. Never his own fault of course.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on October 25, 2018, 09:19:13 PM
I can see why Leeds didn't push harder to keep him
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbawill on October 27, 2018, 08:28:48 PM
Another terrible game today I thought  :-\ looks dodgy defensively and even worse with the ball at his feet. The worst part is the constant blaming of other players for his mistakes. It's not Phillips' fault when you put a pass 10 yards out of his reach, Kyle.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 27, 2018, 08:32:36 PM
Another terrible game today I thought  :-\ looks dodgy defensively and even worse with the ball at his feet. The worst part is the constant blaming of other players for his mistakes. It's not Phillips' fault when you put a pass 10 yards out of his reach, Kyle.


He gave the ball away for the goal so that leads for me, but yes his constant blaming of others for his errors is extremely annoying, did it to Townsend also.


Desperately happy he's suspended next week.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on October 27, 2018, 08:37:12 PM

He gave the ball away for the goal so that leads for me, but yes his constant blaming of others for his errors is extremely annoying, did it to Townsend also.


Desperately happy he's suspended next week.


It really winds me up. Constant moaning at anyone and everyone yet he himself is awful. Poor signing, not just for his lack of quality but also his attitude. I wouldn't want him as a team mate of mine.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinging_along on October 27, 2018, 09:22:36 PM
For the goal it was poor communication. He backed off from the ball thinking Dawson(?) Was going to take it away.  He's just not good enough really.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 27, 2018, 09:38:50 PM
Bartley needs to be dropped asap. He's utter garbage.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 27, 2018, 10:27:58 PM
   I don't think Bartley has done himself any favours but I think all four of the centre halves have looked poor in this system I wouldn't give up on the lad till we have seen him in a back four where he's allowed to concentrate on his defending like at Leeds when he kept Pontus Jansen out of the team.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 27, 2018, 11:38:57 PM
I wanted to give him the benefit of doubt as in a three and on the wrong side.  But today he was just not good enough.   and the moaning.....would annoy the hell out of me if he was my team mate.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 27, 2018, 11:47:25 PM
As it stands it looks like we have well and truly pi$$ed £4mil up the wall on him.

However I don't think any of our defence have looked comfy in this system. Lack of a rb means big Dave is persisting with the current system which hangs the defence to try
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Baggies on October 28, 2018, 10:28:57 AM
His problem is that he was a signing based on our lack of joined up thinking in the summer.

Moore signed him prior to bringing in Jones from Belgium. At the time, Moore was saying how he didn't have a philosophy thst he stucj to or a style of play he wanted, he would just do what was needed to win games.

When Jones came in, him and Moore decided they wanted to play attacking football with passing out from the back. This isn't a system that suits Bartley as thus is why it never worked for him at Swansea and why Leeds were not interested this summer.

Had we known we were looking to play this style of football, you would hope we would have targetted somebody else. Moore has to own that mistake for not settling on his philosophy earlier. I said it at the time when he came out with that line that it was nad news. Coaches should know how they want to play before they stary management.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggiejohn on October 29, 2018, 12:57:30 PM
His problem is that he was a signing based on our lack of joined up thinking in the summer.

Moore signed him prior to bringing in Jones from Belgium. At the time, Moore was saying how he didn't have a philosophy thst he stucj to or a style of play he wanted, he would just do what was needed to win games.

When Jones came in, him and Moore decided they wanted to play attacking football with passing out from the back. This isn't a system that suits Bartley as thus is why it never worked for him at Swansea and why Leeds were not interested this summer.

Had we known we were looking to play this style of football, you would hope we would have targetted somebody else. Moore has to own that mistake for not settling on his philosophy earlier. I said it at the time when he came out with that line that it was nad news. Coaches should know how they want to play before they stary management.

You don't think that Moore & Jones would have talked to each other about a style of play before Jones came then?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mikkyk on October 29, 2018, 01:07:14 PM
   I don't think Bartley has done himself any favours but I think all four of the centre halves have looked poor in this system I wouldn't give up on the lad till we have seen him in a back four where he's allowed to concentrate on his defending like at Leeds when he kept Pontus Jansen out of the team.

Using the same argument he couldn't get into a very poor Swansea team leaking goals.

Unless there are major improvements, he will be going down as our worst signing in a number of years.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mister AT on October 29, 2018, 01:43:07 PM
You don't think that Moore & Jones would have talked to each other about a style of play before Jones came then?

I also recall Jones saying when he came in that DM tried to get him at the end of last season when he was Caretaker boss, so I imagine they would have had a conversation about playing style at some point.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on October 29, 2018, 03:18:49 PM
Seeing that 99% of posters think the same way regarding Bartley, you may as well close this topic :)
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: 17GD on October 29, 2018, 04:21:41 PM
At least he's suspended for the next game. Only problem is that could mean Mears will be back in the line up.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: barnestormer on October 29, 2018, 06:44:29 PM
I also recall Jones saying when he came in that DM tried to get him at the end of last season when he was Caretaker boss, so I imagine they would have had a conversation about playing style at some point.
Which if correct beggars belief that Moore signed another right footed CH and a poor one at that when a left footer was required. Poor management all round
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on October 29, 2018, 06:58:12 PM
At least he's suspended for the next game. Only problem is that could mean Mears will be back in the line up.


I wouldn't have thought so. Moore / Jones show no sign of changing from playing 3 at the back, Mears will only play either in a four or if Phillips is out. Dawson / Hegazi / Adarabioyo will most likely be the 3 on Saturday.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on November 11, 2018, 10:22:39 AM
Where was he?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: caravanc58 on November 11, 2018, 12:42:34 PM
Where was he?
don't care as long as he's out the team. he's the worst CH we've had for a long time. only been here a short time but I'd give him away for free in January, he'll cost us more points than he'd save.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BalisPen on November 11, 2018, 12:50:46 PM
Yesterday's opponents wanted him so hopefully they will come back in for him in Jan.

I was sick and tired for all the excuses being made for that he was this footed and playing there when basically he is just a very bad defender whose bad passes led to opposition goals and he has a terrible attitude of blaming everyone else for his own shortcomings.

If we go up it will be galling to have pay an additional £2m for this "player".
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on November 11, 2018, 12:51:39 PM
don't care as long as he's out the team. he's the worst CH we've had for a long time. only been here a short time but I'd give him away for free in January, he'll cost us more points than he'd save.


He's been awful. However, he may be OK as back up in a four. Look at the difference in some of our players yesterday for the new system.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: caravanc58 on November 11, 2018, 01:12:13 PM

He's been awful. However, he may be OK as back up in a four. Look at the difference in some of our players yesterday for the new system.
maybe but for now let's keep the bullet in the Vets revolver.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggiebof on November 11, 2018, 01:13:50 PM
Been poor for us but will look better as a cb in yesterdays shape, especially when sitting back and counter attacking, as opposed to a ball player in a back three.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on November 11, 2018, 04:05:18 PM
I was glad he didn’t play as he is definitely the weak link in a three, and I’ve never really been a fan of him prior to signing. I’m just wondering if he was actually dropped or if he has an injury.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: hunsletbaggie on November 11, 2018, 04:59:36 PM
 Think he has been poor for us but none of them have done well in a back three. I would give him another go if we need to in a back four he can't be that bad a player he kept Jansen who was Leeds best defender yesterday out of the team when he was at Elland Rd.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Xpresso on November 11, 2018, 05:24:03 PM
He's a right-sided player doing his best to cope with being in an unfamiliar position on the left. Clearly, it doesn't suit him, but that's no excuse for so-called supporters to give him dogs abuse.
The most pleasing aspect of yesterday's game is that we now have a Plan B, something different for opposition coaches to think about. Some fans seem to think that switching tactics is as easy as clicking on a few buttons in Football Manager. It takes time and a lot of hard work on the training pitch.
This league is never won before Christmas, so hopefully we will be in a better position to deliver more consistency after Christmas. We just need to stay in touch with the other promotion challengers to be in with a good chance of getting back to the Premiership.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on November 11, 2018, 05:53:26 PM
Think he has been poor for us but none of them have done well in a back three. I would give him another go if we need to in a back four he can't be that bad a player he kept Jansen who was Leeds best defender yesterday out of the team when he was at Elland Rd.

Only he didn't, Bartley partnered Jansson in most of his appearances for Leeds.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BalisPen on November 11, 2018, 06:54:20 PM
I recall him being hailed as the next big thing when he was at Arsenal he has never cemented a first team place anywhere. That clearance that lead to the Blackburn goal was nothing short of shocking.

If this division had better finishers more of his mistakes would have cost us goals.

Reminds me of matt carbon and Paul mardon as he thinks he better than he actually is.

I didn't want him in the summer and I don't want him now.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on November 11, 2018, 06:58:37 PM
Was he injured or was he dropped?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: ex coseley kid on November 11, 2018, 07:23:43 PM
Was he injured or was he dropped?

Did he fall or was he pushed?  ;)
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BalisPen on November 11, 2018, 07:59:42 PM
It says it all about modern day transfer fees that he moved from arsenal to Swansea for about a million and did nowt for 6 or so years and his price quadrupled.

As he's still our player I hope he improves and plays well if called upon in a back 4, but to date he has been a disaster and money badly spent when the likes of mckenna at Aberdeen and Mepham at brentford are around.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on November 11, 2018, 08:24:19 PM
Did he fall or was he pushed?  ;)
:D
I’ve asked three times and I still can’t grt a fugging answer ;) :D
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 11, 2018, 10:14:25 PM
Well Dawson is one away from suspension so he will get another chance at some point. Unless tosin goes in the middle and Mears plays? Prefer Bartley on the pitch than mears.

Having said that maybe Barry could play cb in a flat back 4?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: hunsletbaggie on November 12, 2018, 06:50:07 AM
Only he didn't, Bartley partnered Jansson in most of his appearances for Leeds.
When Leeds hit their bad run under Monk he brought back Cooper and dropped Jansson. You speak to any Leeds fan( my daughter's a season ticket holder) and they will tell you that Bartley was the better of the three. 
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: GREGMT on November 12, 2018, 07:36:03 AM
The criticism of Bartley is OTT.  Peiple need to realise the midfield balance must be Priority No1. 

That means a strong robust unit with running power that supports the flair provided by Phillips, Barnes and Gayle.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mister AT on November 12, 2018, 09:22:25 AM
I think he would look better in a back 4 than a 3.

Seems to be one of these defenders that is suited to a certain style of play.

Take McAuley for instance, he was so effective for us for years as we were tight and compact and he was never really exposed.

I think in a back 4 that has a solid team set up (like Saturday) then he would look a better player than he has done so far.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 12, 2018, 10:02:18 AM
Well Dawson is one away from suspension
Aren't all previous yellows scrubbed out soon?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on November 12, 2018, 11:48:24 AM
When Leeds hit their bad run under Monk he brought back Cooper and dropped Jansson. You speak to any Leeds fan( my daughter's a season ticket holder) and they will tell you that Bartley was the better of the three.

You initially posted Bartley couldn't be all that bad as he kept Jansson out of the side while they were at Leeds. Only he didn't, he partnered Jansson while he was at Leeds which is presumably why we were rumoured to be interested in Jansson before this season kicked off. Now you say Cooper kept Jansson out following a bad run. Yes OK chap, that’s obviously what happened………

Kyle Bartley League 2016/2017:
Squad 45, starting eleven 45, subbed in 0, subbed off 0, suspended 0, injured 0.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/kyle-bartley/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/67421/plus/0/saison/2016/wettbewerb/GB2/verein/399

Pontus Jansson 2016/2017:
Squad 36, starting eleven 34, subbed in 0, on the bench 2, suspended 4, injured 0

https://www.transfermarkt.com/pontus-jansson/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/125314/plus/0/saison/2016/wettbewerb/GB2/verein/399

Liam Cooper 2016/2017:
Squad 34, starting eleven 8 (2 of which were before Jansson signed), subbed in 3, on the bench 23, suspended 7, injured 0

https://www.transfermarkt.com/liam-cooper/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/75067/plus/0/saison/2016/wettbewerb/GB2/verein/399

…… only it didn’t over anything like a sustainable period.

I don’t really care if Bartley was the better of the three, it was two seasons ago, he was playing for Leeds and it was Jansson's first season in English football. I'm aware of the high regard Leeds supporters held Kyle in while he played for them though. And fair play to Kyle for his form whilst playing on the left of a central back two, especially as some seem to think his form while at Albion has been blighted by not playing on the right of a central pairing.

Is playing the ball out from the left of a back three for him? Clearly not as evidenced, but to be honest I thought he looked ordinary at best when playing as one of a central two in a back four at the start of the season as well. There may well be a footballer in there somewhere, but on his form for us thus far I'd suggest he's best suited to either the bench or the transfer list in January.

I really do genuinely hope he goes onto improve and prove doubters such as myself wrong as a successful season for Kyle would most likely equate to a successful season for Albion. Emergency cover only for me at this stage of the season at best though. In fact at this stage I'd rather Tyrone Mears played right back and playing Tosin centrally alongside either Dawson or Hegazi if it meant keeping Kyle out.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 12, 2018, 04:54:07 PM
You initially posted Bartley couldn't be all that bad as he kept Jansson out of the side while they were at Leeds. Only he didn't, he partnered Jansson while he was at Leeds which is presumably why we were rumoured to be interested in Jansson before this season kicked off. Now you say Cooper kept Jansson out following a bad run. Yes OK chap, that’s obviously what happened………

Kyle Bartley League 2016/2017:
Squad 45, starting eleven 45, subbed in 0, subbed off 0, suspended 0, injured 0.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/kyle-bartley/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/67421/plus/0/saison/2016/wettbewerb/GB2/verein/399

Pontus Jansson 2016/2017:
Squad 36, starting eleven 34, subbed in 0, on the bench 2, suspended 4, injured 0

https://www.transfermarkt.com/pontus-jansson/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/125314/plus/0/saison/2016/wettbewerb/GB2/verein/399

Liam Cooper 2016/2017:
Squad 34, starting eleven 8 (2 of which were before Jansson signed), subbed in 3, on the bench 23, suspended 7, injured 0

https://www.transfermarkt.com/liam-cooper/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/75067/plus/0/saison/2016/wettbewerb/GB2/verein/399

…… only it didn’t over anything like a sustainable period.

I don’t really care if Bartley was the better of the three, it was two seasons ago, he was playing for Leeds and it was Jansson's first season in English football. I'm aware of the high regard Leeds supporters held Kyle in while he played for them though. And fair play to Kyle for his form whilst playing on the left of a central back two, especially as some seem to think his form while at Albion has been blighted by not playing on the right of a central pairing.

Is playing the ball out from the left of a back three for him? Clearly not as evidenced, but to be honest I thought he looked ordinary at best when playing as one of a central two in a back four at the start of the season as well. There may well be a footballer in there somewhere, but on his form for us thus far I'd suggest he's best suited to either the bench or the transfer list in January.

I really do genuinely hope he goes onto improve and prove doubters such as myself wrong as a successful season for Kyle would most likely equate to a successful season for Albion. Emergency cover only for me at this stage of the season at best though. In fact at this stage I'd rather Tyrone Mears played right back and playing Tosin centrally alongside either Dawson or Hegazi if it meant keeping Kyle out.

I'm no fan of Kyle as his insistence on blaming others for his short comings started to irk me.  But put him in a back four and tell him to just win tackles, headers and play channel balls.....i think he'll look a decent (not necessarily good) championship centre back.   whether he will still have mistakes in him without the pressure of playing out....only game time will tell.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 12, 2018, 08:22:01 PM
Aren't all previous yellows scrubbed out soon?

No idea chap I didn't think it was until the new year
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on November 12, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
Was he dropped or was he injured?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 12, 2018, 10:29:54 PM
No idea chap I didn't think it was until the new year
I read somewhere that it’s at the end of November.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 13, 2018, 09:38:51 PM
Was he dropped or was he injured?

Seems it was injury according to the Birmingham Mail, knee injury sustained in training
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on December 21, 2018, 01:32:35 PM
Calimity Kyle is now fit again  ???
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: timdon on December 21, 2018, 06:04:56 PM
Calimity Kyle is now fit again  ???
Luckily he has lost his place while he's been away. Just have to hope that Dawson and Hegazi stay fit
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on December 22, 2018, 12:06:59 PM
Calimity Kyle is now fit again  ???

Although we are still struggling for clean sheets, we have looked far more secure without Bartley in the team. I was looking back at some of earlier conceded goals and he is to blame for quite a few of them.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Xpresso on December 22, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
I'd like to see how he does on the right alongside Hegazi. He's looked shaky on the left but he's naturally right-footed and used to playing on the right at Swansea and Leeds I think.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on December 22, 2018, 04:02:10 PM
I'd like to see how he does on the right alongside Hegazi. He's looked shaky on the left but he's naturally right-footed and used to playing on the right at Swansea and Leeds I think.
I would prefer to never see him in the stripes again frankly
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on December 22, 2018, 04:14:13 PM
I don’t think he’s as bad as he is portrayed by some, particularly if played in the correct position. Wouldn’t drop anyone for him at present however.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on January 02, 2019, 02:13:09 PM
Dacks goal reminded me today of my old granny, she made a great cup of tea,which Bradley could have had with a couple of biscuits before he lined up his shot,but had she been playing would have made a better attempt that whatever Bartley was doing to block the shot,Bartley no more please,surely the kid in the reserves cant be worse
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: GREGMT on February 06, 2019, 10:46:11 PM
Tries really hard but not good enough.  A hefty £4.5m but sometimes transfers don’t work out.  What I don’t understand is the amount of games he’s clocked up so far.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on February 06, 2019, 10:48:07 PM
Not good enough. Didn’t like him when I saw him play for Rangers, don’t like him now.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2019, 10:49:09 PM
Tries really hard but not good enough.  A hefty £4.5m but sometimes transfers don’t work out.  What I don’t understand is the amount of games he’s clocked up so far.
Showed in the first game in a 4 he's decent enough as cover , put him in a 3 and its horrid.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 06, 2019, 10:50:13 PM
He's as bad as anything we've EVER had. £4.5million is the equivalent of what we spent on Matt Carbon taking football inflation into account. It's nothing and it shows.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: caravanc58 on February 06, 2019, 10:58:11 PM
we've had some mediocre defenders over the years but can't think of one who makes so many mistakes. almost every game he will give an opportunity to the opposition. ovaral he's a poor signing.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: paulosull on February 06, 2019, 11:06:39 PM
Who will pay £20, 000  a weekfor this donkey like HRK were stuck with him until contract runs out
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 06, 2019, 11:10:24 PM
He's as bad as anything we've EVER had. £4.5million is the equivalent of what we spent on Matt Carbon taking football inflation into account. It's nothing and it shows.

Agreed. Raven/Mardon/Burgess et all look like Beckenbauer in comparison.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on February 06, 2019, 11:25:14 PM
Agreed. Raven/Mardon/Burgess et all look like Beckenbauer in comparison.

He does remind me a bit of Raven, same turning circle and first touch.  We were a level below this though and he really is no better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on February 06, 2019, 11:27:25 PM
Not only is he a truly awful defender, but his attitude is awful. He's an embarrassment to the club.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 06, 2019, 11:38:04 PM
Get rid
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 06, 2019, 11:53:20 PM
Just back and have to say he really is a bit ****
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on February 07, 2019, 12:02:36 AM
Get rid

Who to?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: liverbaggie on February 07, 2019, 04:31:55 PM
His mistake cost us,even then he was waving his arms for Dawson's help,he thinks he's better than he is,stop the waving lad just try and do your job,concentrate,trouble is I don't think he can
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 07, 2019, 07:40:04 PM
Who to?
He’s a poor central defender ....villa 😀
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on February 08, 2019, 06:41:19 AM
Can somebody please tell me what he keeps pointing at?
Even when there's no one anywhere near him he's pointing.
In the main he points at the pitch and mutters, so maybe he's locating the divots in the pitch for the groundsman's attention at half time
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2019, 09:54:20 AM
You really cannot play out from the back and rely on him

Such a poor footballer in every sense - there was a couple of occasions on Wednesday where he goes to header the ball and instead seems to header the ball 20 yards into the air above him.

Such a lazy defender.

Three at the back will invariably mean he will get game time so hopefully we ditch that thought and revert to the four which has served us very well this season.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 08, 2019, 10:19:43 AM
Can somebody please tell me what he keeps pointing at?
Even when there's no one anywhere near him he's pointing.

In the main he points at the pitch and mutters, so maybe he's locating the divots in the pitch for the groundsman's attention at half time

Don't think thats restricted to Bartley, seems the common thing these days, make a mistake, lose the ball and point at others.

I think in the cup games Bartley looked okay in a two but as soon as the switch to 3 was made he was like a fish out of water, only ones you can blame there are Jones and Moore, you can't blame the player for not being good enough.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2019, 12:27:18 PM
He is much better in a 2, he just doesnt suit a 3 at all

That being said, I dont think he is a great defender anyway
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: paulosull on April 09, 2019, 11:39:02 PM
I'd actually prefer to play with ten men than have this useless fool in team.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2019, 06:34:10 AM
I'd actually prefer to play with ten men than have this useless fool in team.

He was no worse than the rest of the clowns in there last night
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: mulliganstired on April 10, 2019, 09:30:05 AM
If you picked him to play as an old fashioned CH in the champ he would be ok.  God knows why Moore saw him as a potential Beckenbauer.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 09:33:51 AM
If you picked him to play as an old fashioned CH in the champ he would be ok.  God knows why Moore saw him as a potential Beckenbauer.


No he wouldn't. He's absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 10, 2019, 11:51:27 AM
No sense of danger, no positional sense, can’T header a ball, can’t pass a ball,no accountability for his own actions, an over inflated ego

Absolutely rubbish.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 10, 2019, 11:54:34 AM
He was no worse than the rest of the clowns in there last night
He was probably the least clownish of a lot of clowns
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on April 10, 2019, 12:58:22 PM
As a 'defender' he reminds me of a throwback to Matt Carbon & Shaun Murphy
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 01:04:58 PM
As a 'defender' he reminds me of a throwback to Matt Carbon & Shaun Murphy


Has anyone ever seen him make a tackle? I'm sure he must have done, he's had enough minutes, but for the life of me I can't remember one. Murphy was better than him. Carbon, god yeah he was awful as well. About 500 cross field 50 yard passes, not one ever hit it's target and as for his reading of the game, lol, about the same as Bartley's.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2019, 01:43:42 PM

Has anyone ever seen him make a tackle? I'm sure he must have done, he's had enough minutes, but for the life of me I can't remember one. Murphy was better than him. Carbon, god yeah he was awful as well. About 500 cross field 50 yard passes, not one ever hit it's target and as for his reading of the game, lol, about the same as Bartley's.

I'm still trying to figure out what he keeps pointing at when he's on the pitch?
Maybe he's our official pointer
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: seteefeet on April 10, 2019, 01:47:45 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what he keeps pointing at when he's on the pitch?
Maybe he's our official pointer
Him and Livermore are entered into the doubles of the "World Pointing Tournament" in June, so need all the practice they can get.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: StourBaggie on May 15, 2019, 12:34:11 AM
I have to say, despite how poor he's been pretty much every time he's played this season, Bartley had a very good game tonight, both defensively and with the ball at his feet.

If he can play like that with any sort of consistency I wouldn't be averse to having him in the team next season, particularly with the Dawson and /or Hegazi likely to leave. (If they do leave, Bartley will be the only CB remaining in our squad who has played at all this season).
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: gazberg on May 15, 2019, 12:36:39 AM
Yes I'm far from a fan but played well over the last 2 games.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on May 15, 2019, 12:37:41 AM
Yes I'm far from a fan but played well over the last 2 games.


Agreed. Credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BalisPen on May 15, 2019, 12:39:19 AM
He was great and played like the signing we hoped he'd be.

Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
Shame he had to let Abraham out of his pocket to take 2 penalties.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheBrom on May 15, 2019, 12:46:09 AM
Think he was my man of the match alongside Hegazi tonight. Won absolutely everything in the air and looked assured all night.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggiebof on May 15, 2019, 12:46:28 AM
Clearly more comfortable in a deep lying defensive setup. Just a shame that he was recruited and then we attempted to play expansive football out from the back, another example of our incoherent recruitment policy.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 15, 2019, 01:06:42 AM
Fair play to the man. Absolute rock tonight.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: chipperclark on May 15, 2019, 03:10:08 AM
 ;D Thought he was one of the stand-out players for us in the 2 Villa games....and I was the one who said"play the tea lady ????" humble pie time.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 15, 2019, 05:01:10 AM
Don't think he's done bad the last few games. Like many players he needed a run of games... ask the man to defend and he's alright ask him to play like Gerard pique he will get found out.

Might be our only senior centre back next season...
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on May 15, 2019, 06:54:57 AM
Clearly more comfortable in a deep lying defensive setup. Just a shame that he was recruited and then we attempted to play expansive football out from the back, another example of our incoherent recruitment policy.

Would be perfect in a Pulis side, with another 4 CH's alongside. In a football team however???



Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 15, 2019, 09:25:32 AM
He looks fine at the centre of a three man central defence, much like Luiz at Chelsea, but if we are looking to play 4 at the back next season which I hope we are, he cannot be a starter.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mister AT on May 15, 2019, 09:28:35 AM
There's a good chance he may be captain next year, dependant on outgoings and the manager.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on May 15, 2019, 09:45:32 AM
I'd like to know where Kyle's twin brother's been all season.

Two for the price of one, Jenkins must be rubbing his hands.

Here's hoping twin number one stays on his holidays while his brother keeps him out.

Seriously though, well done that man last night  8) .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 15, 2019, 07:10:37 PM
He's been much better the last couple of weeks and all credit to him.

He will be involved next season in some capacity.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: yorkshire baggie on May 15, 2019, 09:21:19 PM
I have been a big critic of Bartley over the season but in the play offs he was immense. Something to build on now.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 15, 2019, 09:23:55 PM
The games against Villa were his best of the season, he has been appalling all season, maybe he is a better than he has shown so far.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on May 15, 2019, 09:47:33 PM
The games against Villa were his best of the season, he has been appalling all season, maybe he is a better than he has shown so far.

He has clearly been yet another victim of the WNA policy of Square pegs in round holes, played in a system which he is suited to and comfortable with he plays to his potential.
This is another example of why we need a team who acquire players to suit the coaches ethos and plan rather than because they have a reputation/ history !
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 15, 2019, 10:07:10 PM
He has clearly been yet another victim of the WNA policy of Square pegs in round holes, played in a system which he is suited to and comfortable with he plays to his potential.
This is another example of why we need a team who acquire players to suit the coaches ethos and plan rather than because they have a reputation/ history !


You don't build a system around a limited centre back, a snotter. He was a victim of the system, but sometimes players need to adapt.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on May 15, 2019, 10:59:56 PM
Superb in both play offs games
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: halifax_baggie on May 16, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
Superb in both play offs games

 It the only two games he has been decent all season

Unfortunately
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BalisPen on May 16, 2019, 06:44:22 PM
Would anybody sell him now if offered the £4m back by someone like Leeds?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 16, 2019, 06:51:54 PM
Would anybody sell him now if offered the £4m back by someone like Leeds?


Yes of course.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on May 16, 2019, 07:06:37 PM
Would anybody sell him now if offered the £4m back by someone like Leeds?

Personally I'd keep him, he's proved he is a capable defender in the right system.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Dan87uk on May 16, 2019, 07:10:58 PM
Would anybody sell him now if offered the £4m back by someone like Leeds?

would bite their hand off in a heartbeat
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on May 16, 2019, 07:41:18 PM
He had by far and away his best game for us on Tuesday,

That said, I'd get rid of him in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: yorkshire baggie on May 16, 2019, 08:26:51 PM
Perhaps over the last few games he wss asked to play to his strengths. A no nonsense centre half and has excelled. Prior to that he was played out of position and  had to try and adapt the silly Moore/ Jones approach.
He struggled and the side struggled under a poor management  team.
There is a good player and a comitted player used properly.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on May 16, 2019, 08:33:06 PM
Hegazi, Dawson and Bartley is pretty strong at this level. The problem is they are all very slow. So it works if we sit deep and defend, they can block and head it, but push up the pitch and press teams and they are vulnerable to pace. I wouldn't sell Bartley at this point. We shouldn't be weakening the squad when we have all the loan players to disappear unless it is to respond the cash and improve the team.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: brummyroader on May 16, 2019, 09:32:12 PM
Blow me play him to his strengths; winning headers clearing danger he can more than do a job in this league. Just a shame took coaching staff nearly a season to realise
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2019, 07:58:11 PM
Kyle had the best passing performance today 94.50% (86/91), better than Romaine and Jake.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinging_along on August 10, 2019, 08:10:04 PM
Kyle had the best passing performance today 94.50% (86/91), better than Romaine and Jake.

His pass percentage is usually pretty good as a lot of it is just giving  it short to the midfield and defence.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
His pass percentage is usually pretty good as a lot of it is just giving  it short to the midfield and defence.

That’s a good point, but looking at a map of range of passes, his distances were comparable with Roamaine’s and Jake’s to be fair.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 10, 2019, 08:27:42 PM
Think the bloke has started the season well looks calm assured and confident. The billic effect working wonders for him. However it's been bread and butter stuff so far.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on August 12, 2019, 08:43:15 PM
His passing percentages might be good over short distances and he may have improved but for me he still a long way off the required standard,both goals conceded this season could arguably have been put down to him,ok johnstone should have stopped the forest shot but Bartleys closing down was non existent,v Millwall he could have headed clear before they scored,he is an accident waiting to happen,Bartley and Johnstone are both the weak links in defence
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: seteefeet on August 13, 2019, 10:05:41 AM
His passing percentages might be good over short distances and he may have improved but for me he still a long way off the required standard,both goals conceded this season could arguably have been put down to him,ok johnstone should have stopped the forest shot but Bartleys closing down was non existent,v Millwall he could have headed clear before they scored,he is an accident waiting to happen,Bartley and Johnstone are both the weak links in defence
I think both he and Johnstone have improved but agree they are the weak links. The difference is, we have Hegazi to come back in defence but, unless Bond stakes a genuine claim, Johnstone is a permanent fixture.
A couple of clean sheets wouldn't go amiss to build a bit of confidence.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2019, 12:14:31 PM
I have a lot of preconceived ideas regarding Mr Bartley based on previous performances, but given it's a new season I'm going to do my best to move on from them. Over to you Kyle and COYB.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: skyclad99 on August 13, 2019, 12:22:41 PM
I have a lot of preconceived ideas regarding Mr Bartley based on previous performances, but given it's a new season I'm going to do my best to move on from them. Over to you Kyle and COYB.

You need to let it go Dan.........

I think he had a solid performance on Saturday, looked more comfortable and assured. I am like you but I am pleased with his performance to date.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2019, 12:37:47 PM
You need to let it go Dan.........

As stated I'm going to do my best chap, here's hoping Kyle's best makes it easier for me ;D .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 13, 2019, 01:14:04 PM
Whether you like it or not he is going to be one of our most important players this year and he will look even more solid when Hegazi returns just after the  international break. I also think a lot of the criticism he gets is unfair. He has generally been quite exceptional since Darren Moore got sacked in my opinion. His lack of pace hasn't been exposed as much and he has been trusted to just defend rather than being asked to be the complete ball playing centre back.

Granted he could of closed the Forest striker down a little quicker in the opening game but he won absolutely everything in the air on Saturday and his significant involvement in the oppositions box even led to us taking the lead (haven't seen it that many times but I'm still not sure why that was given as an own goal). There are always going to be instances when players lose headers in the air and it shouldn't be used as a stick to beat him when it happens occasionally.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on August 13, 2019, 01:29:00 PM
I think he's settled in and will become an accomplished defender, I've also noticed his distribution is much better this year.
He's always got a rick in him, if he hadn't he wouldn't be here.
I get the impression he genuinely likes the place as well, always makes sure he applauds the fans.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 13, 2019, 02:16:00 PM
I think it is clear that Moore and Jones's tactics we're a big part of why he looked so shockingly bad for so long. He's no world beater but certainly looking like an accomplished Championship player since Shan took over.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: darby009 on August 13, 2019, 05:25:46 PM
I was a big critic of Bartley has season but he does seem to have settled into the role more.  I wonder if part of his difficulties were playing alongside Dawson, we all know Dawson's positional play is not great and maybe some of Bartley's issues were the fact that he never really trusted where Dawson would be and this effected his game...??? just a theory
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on August 14, 2019, 11:57:28 AM
If I recall, when he was at Leeds, their fans raved about him and were disappointed when we signed and they didn't.

He can defend, bring the ball out of defence and  pass accurately over short and longer distances when he is playing in the right defences set up, which we appear to be playing at the moment and suits him imo.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 14, 2019, 12:00:57 PM
I think we really missed him last night
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBAlbion123 on August 19, 2019, 10:01:26 AM
Keep seeing people on social media saying they want Ajayi and Hegazi as centre halves when the big man is back from injury, I actually would have a pairing of Bartley and Hegazi.

Bartley looks leaner and more composed this season and I sense he has confidence and belief in what he is doing. So far if anything I've seen Ajayi make more mistakes and would prefer him to be battling with Livermore for the defensive midfielder position.

Of course I still see Ajayi offering back up as a defender but don't necessarily think he's our best option, am I the only one?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: divinewind on August 19, 2019, 11:28:35 AM
I am sure Ajayi said he prefers playing DM, but it is a long hard season so we will accomodate him in both these positions no doubt. I think it's great that we now have options for every position so competition will be fierce.
Shame we couldn't have brought in one more striker.
As for Bartley i think if our fans get off his back he will be a great asset.  Last season we were playing 3 at the back and trying to football out of defence, you have to have really good players to do that, and even then you sometimes get caught out.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on August 19, 2019, 11:36:52 AM
I am sure Ajayi said he prefers playing DM, but it is a long hard season so we will accomodate him in both these positions no doubt. I think it's great that we now have options for every position so competition will be fierce.
Shame we couldn't have brought in one more striker.
As for Bartley i think if our fans get off his back he will be a great asset.  Last season we were playing 3 at the back and trying to football out of defence, you have to have really good players to do that, and even then you sometimes get caught out.

I think I read recently that he said he preferred playing CB and that Slavan would be a big help to him in improving him in that position.

I agree with everything in your post 
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Dexy on August 19, 2019, 11:58:03 AM
Personally think Bartley's improved a lot since the Moore / Jones passing out the back was binned , he's not a world beater but certainly isn't as bad as some make out .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinging_along on August 19, 2019, 11:59:03 AM
Personally think Bartley's improved a lot since the Moore / Jones passing out the back was binned , he's not a world beater but certainly isn't as bad as some make out .

Yeah, agree with this.  He's not amazing but he's way better than he was in the other system. 
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on August 19, 2019, 12:57:15 PM
Keep seeing people on social media saying they want Ajayi and Hegazi as centre halves when the big man is back from injury, I actually would have a pairing of Bartley and Hegazi.

Bartley looks leaner and more composed this season and I sense he has confidence and belief in what he is doing. So far if anything I've seen Ajayi make more mistakes and would prefer him to be battling with Livermore for the defensive midfielder position.

Of course I still see Ajayi offering back up as a defender but don't necessarily think he's our best option, am I the only one?

I totally agree and think that Bartley and Hegazi can make a very strong pairing at this level.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on August 19, 2019, 01:14:21 PM
Bartley had a decent game on Saturday.

There, I've said it....... off for a shower  ;D .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 19, 2019, 01:16:32 PM
would much prefer Bartley and Hegazi as the CB pairing with Ajayi moving into midfield.

As others have said Bartley looks a lot better in a back 4. He looks much more composed on the ball.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: SmethDan on August 19, 2019, 01:19:09 PM
We could always try three at the back........ walks away smirking and looks back at the float bobbing about in the water  ;) .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on August 19, 2019, 02:51:26 PM
We could always try three at the back........ walks away smirking and looks back at the float bobbing about in the water  ;) .
Are you after Jacki’s job?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Mister AT on August 19, 2019, 03:47:16 PM
Keep seeing people on social media saying they want Ajayi and Hegazi as centre halves when the big man is back from injury, I actually would have a pairing of Bartley and Hegazi.

Bartley looks leaner and more composed this season and I sense he has confidence and belief in what he is doing. So far if anything I've seen Ajayi make more mistakes and would prefer him to be battling with Livermore for the defensive midfielder position.

Of course I still see Ajayi offering back up as a defender but don't necessarily think he's our best option, am I the only one?

I have mentioned it before, for me Ajayi should be slotting into DM once Hegazi is fully fit.

Bartley has performed a lot better than he did last year and seems to have continued his levels from the back end of last season.

Other than the Forest goal I think he's been fairly solid. I said last season I think we would see a better version of him when we changed the whole back 3 and insistence on playing out from the back at every opportunity.

Ask a defender to defend first and foremost.

Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on September 22, 2019, 07:28:52 PM
How many goals does this guy have to give away before he his dropped,he averages one a game today v Huddersfield on analaysis he bettered that average to both their goals,there second goal is obviously his poor pass, but on Sky Tv analysis his poor positioning and reaction to obriens run was terrible and Sky presenters blamed him for their 1st goal too.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 22, 2019, 07:41:59 PM
How many goals does this guy have to give away before he his dropped,he averages one a game today v Huddersfield on analaysis he bettered that average to both their goals,there second goal is obviously his poor pass, but on Sky Tv analysis his poor positioning and reaction to obriens run was terrible and Sky presenters blamed him for their 1st goal too.

Sadly, our failure to sign another centre back in addition to Semi after losing Dawson and Tosin and knowing Hegazi would miss the first two months have cost us a few goals already. Bodes well that we are fourth with him in the table as he is the obvious weak link.

I don't think there would be many who would not have predicted it. He is terrible on the ball.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 22, 2019, 09:12:02 PM
I think Nesta and Canavaro would be nervous in front of our keeper...for me Bartley keeps his place
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on September 22, 2019, 09:59:43 PM
I think Nesta and Canavaro would be nervous in front of our keeper...for me Bartley keeps his place
Agree on Johnstone but Bartleys just as bad, both goals down to him today not Johnstone,we desperately need another Centre half
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 23, 2019, 12:51:14 PM
I think Nesta and Canavaro would be nervous in front of our keeper...for me Bartley keeps his place

Our defence is making the same mistakes as last season, but there are only two players there from last season - and they're the ones making them.

Drop Bartley as soon as Hegazi is ready to go.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on September 23, 2019, 08:27:01 PM
While Bartley has been marginally better this season, he is still costing us goals. Hegazi is the far superior player and should come straight in for Bartley when fully fit.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 23, 2019, 10:24:06 PM
While Bartley has been marginally better this season, he is still costing us goals. Hegazi is the far superior player and should come straight in for Bartley when fully fit.
Main criteria.
Giver him about 10 minutes at the end of a match which we are comfortable with, just to bring him slowly up to speed.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 23, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
Our defence is making the same mistakes as last season, but there are only two players there from last season - and they're the ones making them.

Drop Bartley as soon as Hegazi is ready to go.
So there would then still be 2 players from last season?

I think another keeper behind that back line and we are better off
I don’t think it’s as straight forward as people think with hegazi, yes he comes in but I think billic will look to play him with Bartley and push semi in to midfield.....or even 5 at the back with the wing backs really pushing on
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: mulliganstired on September 24, 2019, 11:21:46 AM
The pass for their second was just daft, there was no opposition player within about twenty yards of him, just walk forward with it, at least commit a player to close to you down before you pass.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Xpresso on September 24, 2019, 06:33:57 PM
Time to give O'Shea a chance.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 25, 2019, 12:47:40 PM
Actually been ok this season.

He’s a defender and a decent one, but can’t pass to save his life. Unfortunately in this climate the onus is on defenders being comfortable on the ball which he isn’t so, after a few more games it’s time to give way for hegazi return
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: halifax_baggie on September 25, 2019, 01:54:27 PM
Since his first game v Barnsley, he has been the worst central defender since Stacey North, the only West Brom player I've ever booed as not being worth wearing the Baggies shirt
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on September 25, 2019, 02:00:59 PM
I suspect when Hegazi is considered to be match fit, we will then have some idea on Slaven’s take on him.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: alex1 on September 25, 2019, 02:49:41 PM
Time to give Ferguson a chance instead of Bartley at centre back. Gibbs can then slot back in at left back, where I think he is more dangerous going forward.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Webby on September 25, 2019, 03:34:10 PM
Time to give Ferguson a chance instead of Bartley at centre back. Gibbs can then slot back in at left back, where I think he is more dangerous going forward.

Ferguson is too small for a CB. I know he's "naturally" one going through the youth setup playing there, but I just cannot ever see it in future
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: CL3MO on September 25, 2019, 07:42:51 PM
Time to give O'Shea a chance.

I wouldn't fancy playing O'Shea with Ferguson LB - way too inexperienced.

Other than that one ricket, he hasn't played badly this season.

When Hegazi comes back, that's when we may see him depart the first 11.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: WBArgo on September 25, 2019, 07:49:09 PM
Since his first game v Barnsley, he has been the worst central defender since Stacey North, the only West Brom player I've ever booed as not being worth wearing the Baggies shirt

A bit harsh, I think you should never boo a player if they're trying and Bartley isn't lazy.

I think Hegazi will replace him when he returns. In my view, Bartley isn't as bad as some people make out but is still too error prone to be a regular.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: NJS on September 25, 2019, 08:05:59 PM
Bartley's better IMHO when playing on the right of the two centre backs.  Worried that Hegazi is going to be rushed in before he's match sharp - he needs a couple of reserve games before entering the big arena.  When he does it could be Bartley right CB, Hegazi left CB and Ajayi in Livermore's  place or even 3 at the back - Bilic has options.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 25, 2019, 08:17:58 PM
I thought he was useless until the last few games of last season, in fairness, he has been okay this season on the whole, but is definitely a weak link in the team with little likelihood of improving, he is not the future.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 25, 2019, 11:24:46 PM
One thing he does well is stick up for his team mates, couple of matches ago a right sided player had a dig at Gibbs..he went straight obver and made his presence felt

If nothing else, I think he gives a 5hit and gets stuck in .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on September 26, 2019, 07:02:41 AM
Personally I think he's OK. Not the greatest but OK.
He gets stuck in and never shirks a challenge, gets a lot of unjustified stick in my opinion.
If ever there's a problem he's one of the first on the spot to sort it out.
Yes he's got a rick in him occasionally but tell him just to head, kick and tackle and hes fine.
Sometimes he comes across as too cool and calm when a bit of urgency is needed.
Would love to see Ajayi in midfield just for a game to see what he can do and leave Bartley and  Hegazi in the centre back positions
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on September 26, 2019, 11:25:20 AM
My opinion is that we would be better leaving Ajayi where he is when Hegazi is back, all reports indicate that Semi is still developing and he will learn an awful lot more from Hegazi which will benefit club and player in the long term

Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: mulliganstired on September 26, 2019, 11:31:13 AM
Bartley is a solid championship CH, what he doesn't really need is to be playing it out from the back, tell him to hoof it if he can't pass it very short to someone in the clear.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on September 26, 2019, 07:39:56 PM
My opinion is that we would be better leaving Ajayi where he is when Hegazi is back, all reports indicate that Semi is still developing and he will learn an awful lot more from Hegazi which will benefit club and player in the long term

Agreed. Ajayi is showing himself to be a defender of immense potential. Why people would want to move him from CB is beyond me.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Brooklynbaggie on October 01, 2019, 10:22:40 PM
He was unlucky tonight. Had he missed it Bamford would have got it and it was offside. One of those things. He did a job tonight. With three to come back into the back four we have strength in depth as a squad.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 01, 2019, 10:30:58 PM
He was unlucky tonight. Had he missed it Bamford would have got it and it was offside. One of those things. He did a job tonight. With three to come back into the back four we have strength in depth as a squad.
Agree, I think he’s having a pretty good season
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: paulosull on October 01, 2019, 10:47:04 PM
Semi is making him look good by covering his positonal f ups. The sooner we get Hegazi back the better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2019, 10:49:22 PM
Bamford bossed him. He's poor.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 02, 2019, 08:13:25 AM
He's awful, much as people on here try to claim otherwise. The sooner he is out of the side the better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggiebof on October 02, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
Fine as a starter for most in this league. Fortunately we have a better player to come and replace him, he will be an adequate backup after the international break.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BoingFlyer on October 02, 2019, 10:38:20 AM
He looked decent last night. Not much he could do about the O.G.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Windmill Baggy on October 02, 2019, 11:08:36 AM
He looked decent last night. Not much he could do about the O.G.

The O.G. was unfortunate, but I thought the tackle he made earlier in the half was very poor and unnecessary and he was lucky the foul was just outside the box.

He has been much better this season, but I can't wait until Hegazi comes back to partner Ajayi.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 02, 2019, 12:12:52 PM
Fine as a starter for most in this league. Fortunately we have a better player to come and replace him, he will be an adequate backup after the international break.

He's played well at times, but has a rick in him. Once he's on the bench our squad looks much stronger.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on October 02, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
For me he has done well this season. The fact remains however that we have a better player to come in. That can only be positive for the club. I would still argue with those who claim he is useless though.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 02, 2019, 01:08:15 PM
He's done OK this season - he has been much better than the total calamity we witnessed last year. I think that may be as a consequence of the change in style this season. It seemed like pure idiocy to play him on the left hand side of a three.

He struggled last night but most people will against Leeds with their pace and clever movement.

I am still excited to see Hegazi return however.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 02, 2019, 05:35:13 PM
He's done OK this season - he has been much better than the total calamity we witnessed last year. I think that may be as a consequence of the change in style this season. It seemed like pure idiocy to play him on the left hand side of a three.

He struggled last night but most people will against Leeds with their pace and clever movement.

I am still excited to see Hegazi return however.
I think each to his own, obviously like you, I’d like hegazi fit and available .....but I don’t think he’s as quick as Bartley, but he is better in the air
There was a time last year when hegazi was getting some stick..

Could it be we go 3 at the back, is the ace up the sleeve that Bartley AND hegazi play as a pair and semi pushes up?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on October 02, 2019, 08:03:21 PM
He is always an accident waiting to happen,his passing is disastrous as is his defensive positioning all he does is point at others,Ajay played a blinder against Leeds and covered for Bartley most of the game every single game he either does cost us or nearly costs us,no blame for there goal,but he was 3 inches from giving a penalty away on a ridiculous tackle,Oshea could be no worse
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: stubba on October 05, 2019, 09:08:10 PM
Was fantastic today alongside semi, credit where it’s due.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on October 05, 2019, 10:29:10 PM
Won pretty much every header. Will take a lot to shift him I think on the basis of today.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on October 06, 2019, 09:07:35 AM
Played really well. What a nice dilemma we have when Hegazi is ready.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 06, 2019, 09:14:07 AM
Ideal game for him against a team that didn’t want to play with it on the deck, but make no mistake, there is no dilemma, Hegazi is far superior. Comments like the ones above are how people like HRK keep getting game time and Darren Moore got appointed. Don’t forget the past 50 games of Bartley based on one performance...
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 06, 2019, 10:07:38 AM
Ideal game for him against a team that didn’t want to play with it on the deck, but make no mistake, there is no dilemma, Hegazi is far superior. Comments like the ones above are how people like HRK keep getting game time and Darren Moore got appointed. Don’t forget the past 50 games of Bartley based on one performance...

It's not just one performance though. He's been good most games this season and was loads better last season once we'd gone to a back 4. Does have an error in him but so does Ajayi.

Agree that Hegazi is the better player but the way Bartley is playing there's no need to rush Hegazi back.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: B_H_Baggie on October 06, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
He's been much better this season, has one or two clangers in him but most defenders do at this level. The main positive of his upturn in form this term is that we haven't had to rush Hegazi back, in the long term you would hope Hegazi would get back in the side over him but there's been no panic to throw him back in.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 06, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
Ideal game for him against a team that didn’t want to play with it on the deck, but make no mistake, there is no dilemma, Hegazi is far superior. Comments like the ones above are how people like HRK keep getting game time and Darren Moore got appointed. Don’t forget the past 50 games of Bartley based on one performance...
In the nicest possible way....that’s rubbish on 2 points

1) he’s been very good this season,there will always be an error because he’s a defender and he’s not at Juventus
2) there is no way on earth “comments like the above” have any influence on which players get picked and how long they play for .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on October 06, 2019, 12:16:47 PM
In the nicest possible way....that’s rubbish on 2 points

1) he’s been very good this season,there will always be an error because he’s a defender and he’s not at Juventus



Ahmed Hegazi is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
Semi Ajayi is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
Nathan Ferguson is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus

Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on October 06, 2019, 12:16:59 PM
People raving about his performance yesterday...Hmm.

He didn't track the runner for the first goal and committed a ridiculous foul that they scored from (albeit disallowed, thankfully).

I'm not seeking to have a go, just trying to give an objective opinion. I feel when a player has had a bit of criticism, people are keen to be overly positive with them which is completely understandable. However, I felt he was okay, no better, no worse.

Hegazi still a level above and must come straight in when fully fit.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 06, 2019, 12:19:39 PM

Ahmed Hegazi is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
Semi Ajayi is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
Nathan Ferguson is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
You forgot point 2 ?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 06, 2019, 12:21:50 PM

Ahmed Hegazi is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
Semi Ajayi is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
Nathan Ferguson is a defender who doesn't make the errors he does, he isn't at Juventus
And all capable of being responsible for an error due to the position they play...that’s my point .
Very hard for Matt Phillips to be responsible for conceding a goal...
Easier for Bartley/ajayi/Hegazi, much easier for Johnstone
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on October 06, 2019, 12:33:01 PM
And all capable of being responsible for an error due to the position they play...that’s my point .
Very hard for Matt Phillips to be responsible for conceding a goal...
Easier for Bartley/ajayi/Hegazi, much easier for Johnstone


He's not good enough he makes too many costly errors. Ajayi may have been culpable for two or three goals this season, Bartley has been culpable for five or six - that is the difference. When you add up all those errors from last season as well it's obvious that Bartley is not consistently good enough to be a starter in a team challenging for the top two.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: hunsletbaggie on October 06, 2019, 12:39:47 PM

He's not good enough he makes too many costly errors. Ajayi may have been culpable for two or three goals this season, Bartley has been culpable for five or six - that is the difference. When you add up all those errors from last season as well it's obvious that Bartley is not consistently good enough to be a starter in a team challenging for the top two.
He is good enough for this league obviously not if we get promoted to the Prem though.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on October 06, 2019, 03:41:49 PM
Better yesterday,but far too slow in coming across for Cardiff Ist goal,still the weakest link along with Johnstone
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on October 06, 2019, 04:19:55 PM
Ideal game for him against a team that didn’t want to play with it on the deck, but make no mistake, there is no dilemma, Hegazi is far superior. Comments like the ones above are how people like HRK keep getting game time and Darren Moore got appointed. Don’t forget the past 50 games of Bartley based on one performance...

We all have our opinions and I fail to see how mine get HRK into the team and DM as manager! My opinion stands, the guy is playing well and gives the manager food for thought when Hegazi is ready. I didn’t say he’s better because he’s not. Equally I have seen Hegazi enough times to know that he too makes errors.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on October 06, 2019, 04:26:07 PM
Better yesterday,but far too slow in coming across for Cardiff Ist goal,still the weakest link along with Johnstone

Agreed, he doesn't smell danger and is prone to switching-off. Although Hegazi isn't perfect either and has also made plenty of mistakes and been part of a defence leaking goals. Hegazi and Barry coming back helps to keep Bartley, Livermore, the weaker players on their toes. Although I suspect our whole back four and defensive side would look much better if we had a keeper who added to the team rather than needed propping up.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 19, 2019, 09:22:24 PM
Had another decent game today.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: CL3MO on October 20, 2019, 11:36:30 AM
Thought he was the pick of the back four. Deserves to keep his place at the minute.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on October 20, 2019, 01:11:29 PM
Made several timely interventions that thwarted the opposition, had a good game overall and seems to be improving under Slaven
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: elkiellis on October 20, 2019, 09:28:08 PM
I'm one of his biggest critics,but got to admit he was very good v boro
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 26, 2019, 10:49:12 PM
Thought he was outstanding today, the block in the first half after Semi gave the ball away was exceptional
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: KN22 on October 26, 2019, 11:42:33 PM
Thought he was outstanding today, the block in the first half after Semi gave the ball away was exceptional

Agreed. Wins countless headers every game too. Maybe Hegazi and Bartley should be the centre back pairing?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on October 27, 2019, 12:34:14 PM
MoM for me today, his block for their goal was so unlucky, I thought he seemed calm throughout based on today alone it would be a Hegazi / Bartley partnership starting for me
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 27, 2019, 12:52:28 PM
I’m glad people are coming around 5o the hegazi/Bartley thought process
Semi has been ok, but it’s Bartley that attacks the ball...and this season has played very well , I think we need to look at the formation whilst we still sit pretty at the top.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boingboing1989 on November 24, 2019, 07:47:14 PM
Have to see I am eating some humble pie after his performances this season. He has been outstanding and Motm for me yesterday, and standout performer in the last 3 or 4 games.

Another one who was really changed my view of him this season and can't believe he's the same player who made all those mistakes last season
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 24, 2019, 07:50:49 PM
Have to see I am eating some humble pie after his performances this season. He has been outstanding and Motm for me yesterday, and standout performer in the last 3 or 4 games.

Another one who was really changed my view of him this season and can't believe he's the same player who made all those mistakes last season

Ditto, I was massively critical of him last season, I thought he was a terrible signing, I still think he is a little limited, but his performances this season have been generally very good, he is deservedly keeping Hegazi out of the team and also showing real leadership on the pitch.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on November 24, 2019, 08:15:46 PM
I think we are seeing the layer who the Leeds fans thought they should sign.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: glosterbaggie on November 24, 2019, 08:38:02 PM
He is a CB. A defender not a ball player.Keep it simple at the back and he shines.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 24, 2019, 09:01:11 PM
Starting to become the new Olsson.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheBrom on November 24, 2019, 09:27:53 PM
He is a CB. A defender not a ball player.Keep it simple at the back and he shines.

Thing is we are still playing it out from the back pretty much every time. Maybe he's got a bit more confidence now?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 24, 2019, 09:40:37 PM
A candidate for player of the season so far, in my humble.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 24, 2019, 09:59:00 PM
Thing is we are still playing it out from the back pretty much every time. Maybe he's got a bit more confidence now?

The problem was playing on the right side to accommodate Hegazi, plus always playing it out from the back, every time, never launching it long, which was just stupid and predictable and put us in trouble numerous times, Big Dave never seemed to learn.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Political Cake on November 25, 2019, 08:07:52 AM
Starting to become the new Olsson.

I'd go even further and say he's the new Abdoulaye Meite ;D
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 25, 2019, 08:53:07 AM
New Shelton Martis perhaps.

I am his biggest critic and even I have to hold my hands up and say he is defending really well of late and has thankfully cut out the utter abebrations which was much needed.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on December 02, 2019, 07:44:13 PM
Up for Championship player of the month.
After an indifferent start he looks like the type of defender we were missing.
I think him and Ajayi are a better looking partnership than him and Hegazi
Long may it continue
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Wigmore on December 03, 2019, 12:49:30 AM
Tonight, if he had used his left foot rather than his right, the goal could have cemented his award. :D
However, he has carried out his defensive duties to a T.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 03, 2019, 01:15:23 AM
Tonight, if he had used his left foot rather than his right, the goal could have cemented his award. :D
However, he has carried out his defensive duties to a T.
Or maybe he’d have spooned wide. We’ll never know. 😉
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 03, 2019, 12:36:47 PM
Probably Bartleys biggest critic, however, i have to admot in the last few games he has become a reliable stopper, yet to be convinced he is a footballer :-\
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on December 03, 2019, 07:11:59 PM
Superb again last night. Really pleased with his form. Concentrated and good leadership. Helping Ajai massively.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: geoff on December 03, 2019, 09:06:59 PM
Fast becoming one of the 1st names on the team sheet, a vast inprovment over last season.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 10, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
Any news on his injury?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TiptonThrostle on December 10, 2019, 09:17:01 AM
Fast becoming one of the 1st names on the team sheet, a vast inprovment over last season.

hes an improvement because someone in charge who has common sense knows he is just a "defender" and not expected to play in a back 3 messing about in the penalty box trying to play barcelona football when he cant.

simple, play to his strengths and he is a damn good defender in this league.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 29, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
Just to remind everybody that Bartley is a very poor defender and not a footballer despite a few good performances. He is a mistake waiting to happen and does not seem to be able to partner any other central defender in our squad.

Still a poor header of a ball, a primary requisite of a central defender :o
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Dexy on January 29, 2020, 01:56:32 PM
Another head scratcher , Bartleys been very good to my surprise up until  lately . Like Ajayi his forms vanished , why ? .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on January 29, 2020, 02:43:14 PM
Another head scratcher , Bartleys been very good to my surprise up until  lately . Like Ajayi his forms vanished , why ? .

He's been moved over onto the left to accommodate Hegazi and since then his performance levels have dropped
I think Ajayi and Bartley is a better combination. I've seen Bartley getting stick today for their first goal when it was Hegazi who missed the clearing header from the throw.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on January 29, 2020, 05:59:22 PM
Bartley has admitted when he first joined he was played out of position (on the left) and was therefore really struggling, so what have we now done, put him back into the position he struggled with, not just daft but predictably daft.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: AlbionFan on January 29, 2020, 06:02:38 PM
Personally, I think one of them has to go to benefit one or the other of them and the team
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on January 29, 2020, 06:57:12 PM
Should be a straight forward decision, Bartley right sided centre back with Ajayi to his left, which has been our only successful partnership this season. Bartley has been awful in January playing on the left yet was nominated for championship player of the month in December playing on the right. We badly missed Ajayi last night as well, his height and pace really helps out. Constant swapping of centre backs through injury and suspension and the back four generally has also not helped.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 29, 2020, 06:57:38 PM
Another head scratcher , Bartleys been very good to my surprise up until  lately . Like Ajayi his forms vanished , why ? .

We don't hold the ball up front long enough anymore.
Last night, the ball bounced off Kyle repeatedly. It just puts more pressure on the midfield two and thus the defence.

Phillips is out of form and HRK also couldn't hang on to the ball.

That means the defence are constantly scrambling.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Wbamitch on January 29, 2020, 09:53:05 PM
Should be a straight forward decision, Bartley right sided centre back with Ajayi to his left, which has been our only successful partnership this season. Bartley has been awful in January playing on the left yet was nominated for championship player of the month in December playing on the right. We badly missed Ajayi last night as well, his height and pace really helps out. Constant swapping of centre backs through injury and suspension and the back four generally has also not helped.

Couldn't really put forward my opinion much better than that. Without Injuries get it back to Bartley and Ajayi.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 29, 2020, 10:28:49 PM
Or semi and O’Shea ?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2020, 12:40:35 AM
Seems to be a LOT of people don't know their left and right on this thread, and are tying themselves up in knots to find an excuse for why Kyle Bartley is doing Kyle Bartley things... So for clarity, whenever Hegazi is in the team, Hegazi is playing left centre back.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 30, 2020, 05:23:33 AM
Bartley was doing well until ajayi lost form and then the partnership has gone to bits
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on February 10, 2020, 01:07:06 AM
Suprised no ones posted on here after the Milwall game, Bartley was an absolute rock for 90 minutes. My man of the match.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 10, 2020, 01:47:08 AM
Suprised no ones posted on here after the Milwall game, Bartley was an absolute rock for 90 minutes. My man of the match.

Agreed the bloke was a monster today
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 10, 2020, 03:28:04 AM
Imperious would be my description of his performance
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: chipperclark on February 10, 2020, 03:52:22 AM
Imperious would be my description of his performance
Along with Semi who was also outstanding.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 10, 2020, 05:25:01 AM
Suprised no ones posted on here after the Milwall game, Bartley was an absolute rock for 90 minutes. My man of the match.
Mine too, watched him closely yesterday, relished the conditions, and blotted Smith early in the game.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 10, 2020, 05:53:37 AM
Ageed, Krov got the headlines, but Bartley was superb, a player last season I did not rate, but this season has been excellent, Darren Moore playing him out of position really did not help him.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on February 10, 2020, 06:35:01 AM
Yep have to agree really good this season apart from when he's moved over to accommodate Hegazi
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Webby on February 15, 2020, 01:34:59 PM
Was just one of those crosses that's in the perfect danger area. He puts it in or their striker does
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Webby on February 15, 2020, 04:35:27 PM
Just happened to have to be him laying on the line though didn't it  :P
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: mulliganstired on February 15, 2020, 05:07:39 PM
According to the BBC final score, someone called Marvin Bartley scored an OG for us today.  Idiots.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2020, 05:10:51 PM
Was just one of those crosses that's in the perfect danger area. He puts it in or their striker does

The warning signs were there before the first goal.

The first sniff at goal occurred because Bartley could not cope with Grabban’s movement. He was in no mans land.

We can not afford to have such a hesitant error prone defender playing in front of a flat footed goalkeeper. It’s not surprising that we hit panic stations when the ball enters the box.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: alex1 on February 15, 2020, 05:17:06 PM
The warning signs were there before the first goal.

The first sniff at goal occurred because Bartley could not cope with Grabban’s movement. He was in no mans land.

We can not afford to have such a hesitant error prone defender playing in front of a flat footed goalkeeper. It’s not surprising that we hit panic stations when the ball enters the box.
If anyone was to blame for the first goal, its whoever failed to block the cross, which turned out to be an excellent one. Bartley had to go for the cross or he would have rightly been criticised for doing nothing. Yes,  his positioning would have been where the ball arrived if he'd had a crystal ball. 
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: frazzle on February 15, 2020, 05:20:43 PM
Don’t really blame him for the goal. He did have a nightmare though today I thought, especially immediately after the own goal.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 15, 2020, 05:23:36 PM
Just happened to have to be him laying on the line though didn't it  :P


It always just happens to be him that's the problem. More than 10 times this season the "improved" Bartley has been responsible for us conceding to at least some degree. How many times has it been Ajayi 3,4? no more than that and there lies the difference. Bartley isnt good enough for a top Championship / bottom premier league team. On average once every three games we concede a goal with Bartley at least partly responsible.

If we don't go up this season it will be because Bilic has not addressed this issue.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on February 15, 2020, 05:57:22 PM
If the Ballon D'Or was awarded for the amount of goals gifted to the opposition, then yes, he would win it.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: caravanc58 on February 15, 2020, 06:04:48 PM
According to the BBC final score, someone called Marvin Bartley scored an OG for us today.  Idiots.
What he meant to type was today an idiot called Bartley scored an OG.😄
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Critical Baggie on February 15, 2020, 06:06:16 PM
Hate to say it but reminds me of Darren Purse. Can’t fault his effort and desire but always has a habit of being clumsy. Whether the hand ball against Reading, the own goal, poor clearance and then caught where he was for the disallowed goal today, it’s almost as if he’s trying too hard; as crazy that sounds. If he had a bit more composure he would be a good player but just feel at times the pressure gets to him?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 15, 2020, 06:29:57 PM
It's not good enough to have a CD who only plays well one in four and the team can always rely on him is always to make a mistake.

My opinion has not changed greatly from 2 seasons ago when he first played against Barnsley in a pre season friendly and did not head a ball all game

He looked a poor acquisition then and apart from the occasional good performance has not improved :o
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 15, 2020, 09:38:33 PM
I think he’s had a relatively good season, yes he makes errors but that’s a combination of him not being Maldini /the way we set up and that it appears he’s been asked to play football rather than be himself
When he was at rangers he played more on the edge , got stuck in and showed his teeth....I think he is more controlled but like most players, when you change them you lose something.

This season him and semi are streets ahead of hegazi, maybe if change comes then it’s O’Shea that steps inside....on a side note I quite wish we had got tosin back this year, thought he was coming on well and was particularly impressed with him in midfield agains the vile
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on February 16, 2020, 06:59:45 AM
He's been solid for us most of the season, wears his heart on his sleeve and takes no rubbish.
It can't be easy for any of the defenders. Look how many times they are waiting for the keeper to collect a ball that he decides to leave, and they end up making a hurried clearance or spooning it straight back to the opposition.
Yesterday there were two players wide, trying to stop the cross. They didn't and we saw the net result.
If the defenders had any confidence in the keeper they could expect him to come for the cross and smother it.
Yes Bartley has his faults, but if he didn't he wouldn't be playing here
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggiebof on February 16, 2020, 08:07:47 AM
Much like Livermore, Bartley is having a good season and certainly better than last season! Like all players he has his faults, he has more.than others but like Livernore he appears key to our side regards leadership and character. Even though I'd rather see Hegazi in there as I believe he is a better defender, i'm happy with Bsrtley in the side. Of course, I would.like us to upgrade him if we were to get promoted.

Regards the OG yesterday, no blame heading his way from me, I actually blame Ajayi. Why on earth was he so far wide? He should have been central with Bartley, with him in there the cross simply isn't on.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: lewisant on February 16, 2020, 02:10:11 PM
I think he isn't good enough and if Hegazi had a run with Ajayi it would be far better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 16, 2020, 02:15:39 PM
I think he isn't good enough and if Hegazi had a run with Ajayi it would be far better.


It would. No point judging these things over the odd game. Put Hegazi alongside Ajayi for ten games and we'll reap the benefits.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 16, 2020, 03:17:16 PM
I don't think Hegazi will get a look in, he is far to slow for the high line we play. Hegazi is probably a better penalty area defender but would get done for pace every game.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: baggie82 on February 16, 2020, 03:19:03 PM

It would. No point judging these things over the odd game. Put Hegazi alongside Ajayi for ten games and we'll reap the benefits.

Can’t agree and never does the manager. Hegazi is clumbersome, slow, has no positional sense and lacks concentration. He would already have left the club if he has anywhere near as good as some fans seem to think he is. Bartley and Ajayi have a good understanding, for all their faults and the GK limitations don’t forget we have the 5th best defence in the league and the best defensive record away from home.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on February 16, 2020, 03:21:23 PM
I think he isn't good enough and if Hegazi had a run with Ajayi it would be far better.

Totally disagree, and I can't see the manager agreeing either. Too risky
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: saltnshake on February 16, 2020, 03:24:45 PM

Then why do we defend so much deeper when Hegazi plays? Hegazi has played in 3 of our defeats.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 16, 2020, 03:25:06 PM
Totally disagree, and I can't see the manager agreeing either. Too risky

As opposed to what...the lack of risk of Bartley giving away goals?

Baffling.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 16, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
Then why do we defend so much deeper when Hegazi plays? Hegazi has played in 3 of our defeats.

We don't you're not watching properly.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: saltnshake on February 16, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
We don't you're not watching properly.
Ok so how many poor goals did we concede last season when Hegazi Played most of the games, and there is nothing wrong with my eyesight .
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 16, 2020, 03:42:27 PM
Ok so how many poor goals did we concede last season when Hegazi Played most of the games, and there is nothing wrong with my eyesight .

Who played alongside him?

Oh yes Bartley.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on February 16, 2020, 03:42:54 PM
As opposed to what...the lack of risk of Bartley giving away goals?

Baffling.

So your blaming Bartley for the first goal yesterday?

Now that's baffling
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 16, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
So your blaming Bartley for the first goal yesterday?

Now that's baffling

No more than the constant excuses made for his ineptitude.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 16, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
So your blaming Bartley for the first goal yesterday?

Now that's baffling

You apportion no blame to him whatsoever? What about the goal at Reading? His awful pass at Cardiff that lead to their winner? Him passing it straight to Dack on the edge of the box against Blackburn? Need I go on?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on February 16, 2020, 03:45:45 PM
Ok so how many poor goals did we concede last season when Hegazi Played most of the games, and there is nothing wrong with my eyesight .

Hegazi was recognised as one of our best players last season, while Bartley was seen as one of our worst.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on February 16, 2020, 03:46:11 PM
Who played alongside him?

Oh yes Bartley.

When Hegazi and Bartley play together, Hegazi plays on the left and Bartley on the right.
That combination doesn't work.
Ajayi on the right and Bartley on the left works better.
Not saying Bartley is perfect but the centre back pairing we have now is the best of a mediocre bunch.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: wbako on February 16, 2020, 03:48:48 PM
So your blaming Bartley for the first goal yesterday?

Now that's baffling

 He lost track of his man (again) and then diverted the ball into his own net in desperation. Yes, there should have been more effort to stop the ball coming in but to absolve Bartley of any blame is farcical.

The less said about his defensive play when losing Grabban in the early stages of the game, resulting in a free header from a few yards out, the better.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 16, 2020, 03:50:13 PM
When Hegazi and Bartley play together, Hegazi plays on the left and Bartley on the right.
That combination doesn't work.
Ajayi on the right and Bartley on the left works better.
Not saying Bartley is perfect but the centre back pairing we have now is the best of a mediocre bunch.


No it isnt. Whichever side Bartley plays he is not good enough.

It's just not going to register  clearly.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: saltnshake on February 16, 2020, 03:52:35 PM
Who played alongside him?

Oh yes Bartley.
So every goal we concede is Bartley's fault? the simple fact is Hegazi chose to play for Egypt in the summer despite needing an operation knowing he would be out for the first 3 months of the season he came back into the team and we lost 3 of the matches he played in and didn't improve the defence, i would suggest if a change is made O'Shea should move to centre half and Furlong play right back but i don't think that will happen.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 16, 2020, 03:57:01 PM
So every goal we concede is Bartley's fault? the simple fact is Hegazi chose to play for Egypt in the summer despite needing an operation knowing he would be out for the first 3 months of the season he came back into the team and we lost 3 of the matches he played in and didn't improve the defence, i would suggest if a change is made O'Shea should move to centre half and Furlong play right back but i don't think that will happen.

O'Shea moves to CB and we lose three inches in height when we cant defend set pieces. You see mo problem here?

Hegazi is same size as Bartley and is better quality it is as simple as that however some people try to argue otherwise 
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: tuamigos on February 16, 2020, 03:59:42 PM
You apportion no blame to him whatsoever? What about the goal at Reading? His awful pass at Cardiff that lead to their winner? Him passing it straight to Dack on the edge of the box against Blackburn? Need I go on?

Please do.
The goal at Reading you talking about the penalty or his winner?
The winner at Cardiff was a free kick if I remember, and he played with Hegazi who was responsible for the first goal.
He was given a suicide ball by Samuel, should have done better with it, but should never have been given the ball there, anyway we won that game didn't we?
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: saltnshake on February 16, 2020, 04:13:59 PM
O'Shea moves to CB and we lose three inches in height when we cant defend set pieces. You see mo problem here?

Hegazi is same size as Bartley and is better quality it is as simple as that however some people try to argue otherwise
Thats right you have your opinion i have mine lets see what happens, clearly Billic prefers Bartley and there must be some reason for that, no doubt you know better than him
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 16, 2020, 04:18:10 PM
Can we start the debate properly?

The attitude of these posts are appalling. You’re all better than this..
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 16, 2020, 05:25:42 PM
First let me say, I was not Bartley's biggest fan last season, far from it, I thought he was a bad signing last season, but, this season, he has been a giant, very strong in defence, a leader on the pitch, badly missed when not playing (when Hegazi played in his place), the first goal yesterday was a wonderful cross which led to a goal abeit an own goal, of course he could have done better, but it is what it is, a great ball in which left him with either trying to clear it or letting it run through for an easy tap in, criticism of Bartley would be harsh and not fair bearing in mind the credit he should have built up this season.
Similarly, the strike from Cash for the equaliser was absolutely top draw, could it have been defended better, yes of course it could, but no one in the ground expected that quality of strike from that position.

Sometimes you win games you don't deserve to win, sometimes you draw games you should win, its football, it has twists and turns and its why we love it.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Webby on February 16, 2020, 06:52:25 PM
I think he's just going to be one of these players that now is going to continually divide opinion.

I really see he wears heart on sleeve and desperately wants to win but sometimes the quality or decisions aren't the best.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 17, 2020, 06:35:05 AM
I think he's just going to be one of these players that now is going to continually divide opinion.

I really see he wears heart on sleeve and desperately wants to win but sometimes the quality or decisions aren't the best.

I agree with you. I have never questioned his desire or his commitment to the cause. He tries his heart out and he never hides. Got to give him that.

However, I find it absolutely baffling that people think consistently playing a centre back who costs you a goal every one in three games on average is the thing to do and I include Bilic in that statement. I just do not understand it.

If I had the time and the patience I would list all the goals Bartley has been culpable for (partly or mostly) and believe me it is clearly a double figure amount this season. I did list them on another site well before the Christmas period and it was seven or eight then. People can find the goals to all our games on youtube if they want to review them.

I want Bartley to be good enough and to excel, of course I do, I've nothing against the man personally but he is the weak link in our team and he shouldn't be a first choice centre back in a team that wants to finish top two.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 17, 2020, 07:41:37 AM
Cast your mind back to the dark days of Pulis ball 2 banks of 4 doubling up on wingers to stop the quality crosses come into to our box. There is a reason we concede most games and that's the much more entertaining attacking football we play. What impressed me the most is that Nottingham Forrest only had 2 shots on target and the quality of defending in the games before. There is no way in the days of Pulis you would ever see defenders scrambling back to their own box to cut a cross out they would already be there. Bartley is by no means perfect but copes admirably with the open system we play and is better suited to it over Hegarzi.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on February 17, 2020, 08:31:03 AM
I agree. And it's  what a lot of people on here are ignoring. We are set up to attack and have clearly adopted the tactic of outscoring the opposition. With such emphasis on attack the defence is stretched . It's no surprise and is clearly the chosen route.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Atomic on February 17, 2020, 08:39:32 AM
I agree. And it's  what a lot of people on here are ignoring.


No we are not ignoring it. Ajayi has been at fault for a handful of goals, Bartley has been at fault in approx. 33% of our games and if you go through the goals conceded last season he will be at fault for more of them than anyone else again. That's what some people are ignoring. Ajayi is good enough, Bartley isnt.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 17, 2020, 08:40:53 AM
I'm sorry, but I'd be looking to drop him now. That's two handballs in the last week - luckily he was only pulled up for one - and an own goal.

He was OK earlier in the season, but his forms dropped off a cliff. Unfortunately we don't have a really good centre-half at the club.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2020, 09:44:30 AM
I'm sorry, but I'd be looking to drop him now. That's two handballs in the last week - luckily he was only pulled up for one - and an own goal.

He was OK earlier in the season, but his forms dropped off a cliff. Unfortunately we don't have a really good centre-half at the club.


Firstly Ajayi isn't bad, and he has only had 6 months at this level, lets not forget that.

Bartley has failings but would get in most championship sides, but not prem quality I agree

Hegazi is a colossus when the ball is in front of him, but get him on the turn or a ball in behind and he is too immobile / slow to cope.  He needs the right partner with him.

Dara O'shea is getting dismissed as a CH due to his height (lack of) I don't buy that, but if you shuffle him across can Ajayi play on the RHS of a pair?
ie,
Furlong   O'shea    Ajayi      Townsend

it might be something to try when we are "comfortable' in a game, or injuries dictate it.
Title: Re: Kyle Bartley
Post by: boinging_along on February 17, 2020, 09:46:23 AM
He's not at fault for the handball or the own goal in the last match though.  If he'd let that ball go across the goal he'd have been crucified, he HAD to try and get something on it.  Nothing he could do about the handball, it was flicked up at him from about 3 yards away.