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Title: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 02, 2018, 12:37:58 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/07/02/west-brom-close-in-on-5m-deal-for-goalkeeper-sam-johnstone/?rnd=12752508

As we now have a credible source...
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Baggies on July 02, 2018, 12:59:19 PM
Great signing. Allows us to move Foster on, probably at a profit. Villa fans rate him highly so this will remove some of the toxic atmosphere from the club.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Mister AT on July 02, 2018, 01:01:27 PM
Good signing if we get it over the line. Knows the area. Solid keeper, knows the league, enables him to be a first team regular for a few years as he is toung.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 02, 2018, 01:24:08 PM
Happy with this - think he's a good keeper with plenty of age on his side
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: skyclad99 on July 02, 2018, 01:27:36 PM
We have not signed him yet, we have just alerted the usual suspects as to his availability so that they can go and get him.......
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Dan87uk on July 02, 2018, 01:30:52 PM
We have not signed him yet, we have just alerted the usual suspects as to his availability so that they can go and get him.......

Pretty much my thought on this as well.
Need to get him over the line first before we start saying how good or bad the signing it "is"
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: baggie96 on July 02, 2018, 01:36:27 PM
This would be an excellent signing, would be no 1 for 10 years as foster was.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 02, 2018, 01:40:51 PM
We have not signed him yet, we have just alerted the usual suspects as to his availability so that they can go and get him.......

You think agents and clubs find out about player availability through the press?
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: tylerm on July 02, 2018, 01:42:07 PM
I think we all know the story
Man Utd want 5 million for him so we offer3
Offer rejected so after a week we up it to 3.25 with them re affirming that the price is 5
We up our offer to 3.5 stating we are unable to lever him out of Man Utd
Next day some one pays 5 million and we lose out
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: skyclad99 on July 02, 2018, 01:42:42 PM
You think agents and clubs find out about player availability through the press?

No Hampshire, I was being sarcastic.......
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 02, 2018, 01:42:47 PM
If we can get a decent fee for Foster at his age then I guess it’s a good move but I’m gutted about this whole Foster saga. Sad to see a club favourite go in this way and it also introduces uncertainty about our goalkeeping position, regardless of how highly rated Johnstone is.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 02, 2018, 01:43:14 PM
No Hampshire, I was being sarcastic.......

As you were ;)
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: royhan on July 02, 2018, 02:24:20 PM
I think we all know the story
Man Utd want 5 million for him so we offer3
Offer rejected so after a week we up it to 3.25 with them re affirming that the price is 5
We up our offer to 3.5 stating we are unable to lever him out of Man Utd
Next day some one pays 5 million and we lose out

You know Albion too well >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Chipperfan on July 02, 2018, 02:32:35 PM
You think agents and clubs find out about player availability through the press?

Don’t they find out by reading this board?
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: tylerm on July 02, 2018, 02:40:42 PM
You know Albion too well >:( >:( >:(

I know the procedure well over the past 40 years of being a season ticket holder
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 02, 2018, 03:41:41 PM
Anything under £6m and the club quite simply just have to pay it. He's a fantastic goalkeeper who has age on his side. Won't get a better replacement than this bloke and he is destined to be a PL keeper which might be the only stumbling block.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: gerry m on July 02, 2018, 03:48:28 PM
Lets hope the club can get this done quickly before someone else comes in and snatches him.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: seteefeet on July 02, 2018, 03:49:52 PM
I think we all know the story
Man Utd want 5 million for him so we offer3
Offer rejected so after a week we up it to 3.25 with them re affirming that the price is 5
We up our offer to 3.5 stating we are unable to lever him out of Man Utd
Next day some one West Ham pay 5 million and we lose out
Edited for you mate
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: johnny Cash on July 02, 2018, 03:53:21 PM
You think agents and clubs find out about player availability through the press?

Its equally naive to think that it never happens either
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 02, 2018, 04:01:46 PM
Would be extremely happy to see him come in. The Villa fans love him and the couple I have spoken to today are gutted that we are potentially signing him.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: bustleholm baggie on July 02, 2018, 04:26:00 PM
According to Simon Stone,  a fee has been agreed £6.5m, due for a medical today.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: royhan on July 02, 2018, 04:32:08 PM
According to Simon Stone,  a fee has been agreed £6.5m, due for a medical today.

That sounds very promising
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: AlbionFan on July 02, 2018, 04:33:38 PM
According to Simon Stone,  a fee has been agreed £6.5m, due for a medical today.

Well, that’s the Evans and potentially Foster money spent then  :D
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Albionic on July 02, 2018, 05:04:32 PM
Dunno how good he is, but he is young and has experience at this level, so I doubt it will be a disaster.If Big Dave wants him, get him in !
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 02, 2018, 05:15:20 PM
13:10


JOHNSTONE CLOSE TO WEST BROM
Sky Sports News understands Manchester United goalkeeper Sam Johnstone is close to agreeing a £5m move to West Brom. Negotiations are ongoing.
Albion tried to sign him last summer, before he joined Midlands rivals Aston Villa on loan, where he impressed with 48 appearances last season.
United are prepared to sell, as they close in on a deal to bring Stoke veteran Lee Grant in as their third-choice keeper. That would make Johnstone surplus to requirements at Old Trafford.
It would also free up the possibility of Baggies’ favourite Ben Foster leaving the Hawthorns. He refused to travel with the rest of the team on their pre-season training camp in Portugal last week, and is thought to be keen on a move to Watford.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Jack Thrust on July 02, 2018, 05:25:48 PM
I would put money on this being announced tomorrow morning. Interesting that the new home kit has just been released, just in time for someone to have their picture taken wearing it.....
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 02, 2018, 05:32:34 PM
I would put money on this being announced tomorrow morning. Interesting that the new home kit has just been released, just in time for someone to have their picture taken wearing it.....

Doesn't make that much difference if its a GK though...
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: koren on July 02, 2018, 05:35:55 PM
According to Simon Stone,  a fee has been agreed £6.5m, due for a medical today.
Rising to £10m if all clauses are met. :o

But it's ok if he does well for us.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Jack Thrust on July 02, 2018, 06:22:27 PM
Doesn't make that much difference if its a GK though...

He can still hold it up though, it's happening.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: caravanc58 on July 02, 2018, 06:29:09 PM
don't know much about him, wonder why Utd are releasing him if he's got a bright future.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 02, 2018, 06:33:54 PM
don't know much about him, wonder why Utd are releasing him if he's got a bright future.

In his last year of his contract .
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: paulosull on July 02, 2018, 06:34:38 PM
We have been interested in him for a while, one that Hammond had his eye on.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: gerry m on July 02, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
According to Simon Stone,  a fee has been agreed £6.5m, due for a medical today.

Think i read somewhere he had 21 clean sheets for the Vile last season. Only 25 too.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 02, 2018, 07:51:21 PM
Think i read somewhere he had 21 clean sheets for the Vile last season. Only 25 too.

I think it was 20 clean sheets in 44 games. Best keeper in the championship by a mile last season, would be very happy if we got him in.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: DaveWBA on July 02, 2018, 07:55:49 PM
Great price and has ten years on Foster.

Most importantly has some resale value. No idea why it has taken the club so long to come round to this way of doing business.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: paulosull on July 02, 2018, 09:24:28 PM
Great price and has ten years on Foster.

Most importantly has some resale value. No idea why it has taken the club so long to come round to this way of doing business.
and peeing off the vile happy days
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Standaman on July 02, 2018, 09:58:31 PM
Rounding up a few things on this.

1. As good as keeper as we are ever likely to sign in the Championship and probably the pick of the league last season
2. Good age will improve and should be a long term replacement for Foster.
3. Probably not possible to land him without Foster moving on
4. Price okay £10m only going to happen if he is sucessful
5. Why are United letting him go? De Gea isn't going anywhere so Johnstone will not be getting enough game time to develop. To some extent he is in the same position as Foster was when he left United for Blues.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Beefy on July 03, 2018, 08:26:08 AM
Matt Wilson has just followed Sam on Twitter so must be happening soon.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 03, 2018, 10:56:21 AM
Very strange from the Albion to announce who we are interested in.
Danger lurks.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 03, 2018, 11:25:44 AM
Very strange from the Albion to announce who we are interested in.
Danger lurks.
Ive not seen an announcement from Albion at all confirming. Unless I’ve missed something.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: baggie38 on July 03, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
Very strange from the Albion to announce who we are interested in.
Danger lurks.

They haven't announced who they are interested in. Where have you heard that?
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: MarkW on July 03, 2018, 12:53:42 PM
Pantilimon has joined Forest from Watford, so I assume Ben is off soon, which allows us to get Johnstone.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: tambag on July 03, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
Could this be Sam ?

https://twitter.com/WBA/status/1014174988319027200

Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Aztech on July 03, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
Officially signed
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: swad35 on July 03, 2018, 05:03:06 PM
Confirmed on the official website welcome Sam
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on July 03, 2018, 05:06:50 PM
Happy with this - a good age, half decent, if we can get a few more players with this criteria we should be able to rebuild sufficiently but it's going to take time
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: koren on July 03, 2018, 05:08:04 PM
Welcome Sam. :)
Didn't watch his games before but seems that he is highly rated by villa's fans.
Should be a good replacement for Foster.

GK problem solved now, hopefully more new faces would be added soon as we need them desperately.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: AlbionFan on July 03, 2018, 05:10:28 PM
Done!

Source: https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/july/sam-johnstone-joins-albion/
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Blowee on July 03, 2018, 05:12:09 PM
Welcome Sam. :)
Didn't watch his games before but seems that he is highly rated by villa's fans.
Should be a good replacement for Foster.

GK problem solved now, hopefully more new faces would be added soon as we need them desperately.
GK not quite solved - we have to replace Myhill too.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: WBASweden on July 03, 2018, 05:12:23 PM
Welcome Sam. :)
Didn't watch his games before but seems that he is highly rated by villa's fans.
Should be a good replacement for Foster.

GK problem solved now, hopefully more new faces would be added soon as we need them desperately.

Wonder if Palmer is going to be the No.2 or if we're going to sign another goalkeeper
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Blowee on July 03, 2018, 05:14:02 PM
Wonder if Palmer is going to be the No.2 or if we're going to sign another goalkeeper

Never seen Palmer play but I've heard others say he doesn't look ready for the first team.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on July 03, 2018, 05:40:35 PM
Welcome Sam.
Some positive news after a week of unrest, let's hope this is the start of more activity.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: gerry m on July 03, 2018, 05:55:33 PM
Welcome to the Albion Sam and good luck! Bet the Vile are cursing :D
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: AlbionBest on July 03, 2018, 06:11:02 PM
Welcome Sam.
Could be a canny piece of business though sorry to see Ben go.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 03, 2018, 06:35:32 PM
Not too concerned with the No.2 because we're in The Championship and can still use the loan window. Something I'd not thought of until now.

Johnstone though is a great signing in my opinion. One of, if not the, best keeper in The Championship last year. 22 clean sheets is an impressive effort.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 03, 2018, 07:08:18 PM
Currently Foster is still number 1  :) ;)


I'd have preferred Danny Ward at the price but this looks like a promising signing. Welcome Sam.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 03, 2018, 07:42:34 PM
Welcome to Albion Sam, and best wishes for a successful career here.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: tuamigos on July 03, 2018, 08:08:54 PM
Welcome Sam


NEXT!
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: geoff on July 03, 2018, 10:43:14 PM
Welcome Sam you're the 1st of many i hope.  ;) 
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 03, 2018, 10:55:25 PM
Happy with this news. Welcome Sam
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 03, 2018, 11:27:15 PM
I can't say that I've seen him play, but he seems to be rated highly by a lot of people, so this goes down as an excellent signing. Unfortunately, we need lots more of them in the next few weeks!
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: don1thedon on July 03, 2018, 11:41:57 PM
Currently Foster is still number 1  :) ;)


I'd have preferred Danny Ward at the price but this looks like a promising signing. Welcome Sam.

Welcome to The Baggies Sam.

No mention of Fozzie in any of the press releases or the introduction of the new keepers kit. SJ is clearly our new No 1 (now we just need a backup)!
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 03, 2018, 11:47:14 PM
Welcome Sam😂
Clearly the first thing he should do is come on here and see how many welcomes he's got.
I do find some of the comments interesting
"He knows the area",if this is the goal area..good, he should, that's his job...if it's the local area...what in Gods name difference, does that make?
Followed by
"He will be here for 10 years because he's young", unfortunately if he's here for ten years it will be because he's not good enough for the next level
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: alex1 on July 03, 2018, 11:48:14 PM
Can't say I'm over the moon if this is the reason for Foster's problem. I'll give the bloke a chance but he's got to be a helluva keeper to better Foster, also for Foster's standing and leadership in the team.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 03, 2018, 11:50:42 PM
Can't say I'm over the moon if this is the reason for Foster's problem. I'll give the bloke a chance but he's got to be a helluva keeper to better Foster, also for Foster's standing and leadership in the team.
I'd suggest his knees are in much better condition than fosters
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: ripryan1971 on July 04, 2018, 07:14:13 AM
The one thing I'm looking forward to hopefully is a keeper who's good with his feet aswell as his hands. If we are going to change the style then this is a superb signing as SJ can do exactly that
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 04, 2018, 08:42:07 AM
Welcome Sam😂
Clearly the first thing he should do is come on here and see how many welcomes he's got.
I do find some of the comments interesting
"He knows the area",if this is the goal area..good, he should, that's his job...if it's the local area...what in Gods name difference, does that make?
Followed by
"He will be here for 10 years because he's young", unfortunately if he's here for ten years it will be because he's not good enough for the next level

or because in 5-10 years time we are at the next level (whatever that is).
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: tuamigos on July 04, 2018, 08:59:18 AM
or because in 5-10 years time we are at the next level (whatever that is).

hope its the next level up and not the next level down  :o
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 04, 2018, 09:39:13 AM
hope its the next level up and not the next level down  :o

oh god yes, I hadn't thought of that!
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Backofthenet on July 04, 2018, 10:10:46 AM
We have a ready made number 2 at the club - Foster.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: skyclad99 on July 04, 2018, 10:15:14 AM
My vile colleagues are rather cheesed off about this signing, so he must be good.

Welcome to the club Sam!
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: skyclad99 on July 04, 2018, 11:21:53 AM
Just had a conversation with another gutted vile fan!

This really is a good signing, both in terms of quality, and its ability to upset the neighbours.!
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: BB74 on July 04, 2018, 11:38:09 AM
Enjoy

https://www.villatalk.com/topic/15997-sam-johnstone/?page=115 (https://www.villatalk.com/topic/15997-sam-johnstone/?page=115)
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: WoysWunderful on July 04, 2018, 12:32:43 PM
Never seen Palmer play but I've heard others say he doesn't look ready for the first team.

somebody drinks in my pub who's good friends with palmer via football from when they were younger and he's not expecting to play many games this coming season. However he has been given assurances that he has a future here.

I'm Not ITK and the bloke could be talking out of his backside, but thought id pass it on
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 04, 2018, 12:43:00 PM
If we were signing a keeper from United I would have preferred Henderson or Pereira as I haven't always been impressed by Johnstone. He's here now though, and I hope he goes from strength to strength.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: baggie82 on July 04, 2018, 06:37:29 PM
Disappointing to read on the villa forum from multiple posters that he is poor on crosses and his distribution is dire! Many of those posts are before he was linked with us so not sour grapes. He has big shoes to fill to replace Foster.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 04, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Disappointing to read on the villa forum from multiple posters that he is poor on crosses and his distribution is dire! Many of those posts are before he was linked with us so not sour grapes. He has big shoes to fill to replace Foster.

I'd take supporters views on players with a pinch of salt, there are a few on here that don't rate Foster. His stats from last season made him the best keeper in the Championship and he kept something like 20 clean sheets in 44 games.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: WBArgo on July 04, 2018, 09:34:31 PM
I'd take supporters views on players with a pinch of salt, there are a few on here that don't rate Foster. His stats from last season made him the best keeper in the Championship and he kept something like 20 clean sheets in 44 games.

It's a nice stat but I always think clean sheets mostly point towards good defending rather than a great goalkeeper, which is what I'd expect with any Steve Bruce side in the Championship, I'm sure his Hull side would have had similar numbers too.

That said, it's hardly a bad thing and does show he's probably got something about him.
I heard from a few Doncaster fans that he was excellent when he was there and their reviews were glowing so there is that too.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 04, 2018, 09:37:01 PM
I'd take supporters views on players with a pinch of salt, there are a few on here that don't rate Foster. His stats from last season made him the best keeper in the Championship and he kept something like 20 clean sheets in 44 games.

His distribution is actually horrific. Easily the weakest area of his game.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: royhan on July 04, 2018, 09:51:14 PM
I never stop being amazed on this forum - not necessarily this topic - at how some people know so much about every aspect of players that they only watch on TV, or in some cases not at all.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: baggiebof on July 04, 2018, 10:44:25 PM
I haven't seen him play very much but for him to have been at United, represented the England youth teams, had two fairly successful seasons at Villa in the Championship all by the time he is 25 says that there could well be a decent player there. There has been mention of a few weaknesses highlighted by Villa fans and I'm sure there are however I'm not overly concerned as he is only 25 (although poor technique is a concern - a harder skill to improve with age). Look at Carson, terrible for us however a good few years later and he is looking superb for Derby. It can take time for improvement to come so if Johnstone is good at the moment and can go on to be very good, I'd be very happy with that.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: baggie82 on July 04, 2018, 11:02:39 PM
Hopefully he keeps on improving. I think it's a good signing given his age and experience. He needs to hit the ground running and with the state of our squad I'm not sure we are going to be as defensively solid as Villa were last season. Can cope with the fact he can't kick the ball but he needs to come off his loan and claim crosses, can't be a quality goalkeeper if you can't command your box.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 05, 2018, 07:59:40 AM
It's a nice stat but I always think clean sheets mostly point towards good defending rather than a great goalkeeper, which is what I'd expect with any Steve Bruce side in the Championship, I'm sure his Hull side would have had similar numbers too.

That said, it's hardly a bad thing and does show he's probably got something about him.
I heard from a few Doncaster fans that he was excellent when he was there and their reviews were glowing so there is that too.

It's not just the clean sheets though to be honest. I posted his stats on the new goalkeeper thread a  couple of weeks ago. If poor distribution is his only real weakness then he won't be much different to Foster.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: geoff on July 05, 2018, 11:41:52 AM
It's not just the clean sheets though to be honest. I posted his stats on the new goalkeeper thread a  couple of weeks ago. If poor distribution is his only real weakness then he won't be much different to Foster.

Only he has 10 years to improve on all them stats.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Mooncat on July 05, 2018, 12:19:34 PM
And working with a coach (Neil Cutler) who knows him and who he (SJ) respects will take stuff on board.

Although the Pardew thing may have clouded it, I thought Foster improved after we appointed NC as goalkeeping coach so hopefully Sam can do likewise
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: tucka9 on July 10, 2018, 09:34:43 AM
When you see another young English goalkeeper Angus Gunn going to Southampton for £13.5 million, we could have had a right bargain if Johnstone excels.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: colinmax on October 28, 2018, 01:29:56 PM
I think he is a good keeper and once again against Blackburn he saved a one on one.
Against Bristol City his quick release was instrumental in two of our goals.
However I am worried that he is going to lose his confidence over when and how to release the ball.
Yesterday he must have  stood still for a minute waiting to take a goal kick and ended up getting booed by his own fans.
Then when holding the ball he only has 6 seconds to release the ball but this rule is seldom applied but he must have held the ball for about 30 seconds and I can not believe that the referee did not give an indirect kick in the area.

The coaching staff must sort this out before he is destroyed.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: lindenbaggie on October 28, 2018, 08:39:37 PM
I think he is a good keeper and once again against Blackburn he saved a one on one.
Against Bristol City his quick release was instrumental in two of our goals.
However I am worried that he is going to lose his confidence over when and how to release the ball.
Yesterday he must have  stood still for a minute waiting to take a goal kick and ended up getting booed by his own fans.
Then when holding the ball he only has 6 seconds to release the ball but this rule is seldom applied but he must have held the ball for about 30 seconds and I can not believe that the referee did not give an indirect kick in the area.

The coaching staff must sort this out before he is destroyed.


There's no point in him kicking it long as nine times out of ten we lose possession. He has no choice really but to try and find someone to pass to. He's getting hammered for obeying instructions, which isn't fair.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 29, 2018, 12:46:30 PM
Disappointing to read on the villa forum from multiple posters that he is poor on crosses and his distribution is dire! Many of those posts are before he was linked with us so not sour grapes. He has big shoes to fill to replace Foster.

I'm beginning to agree with this.

Distribution is poor and needs some work.

Luckily Johnstone has plenty of time on his side to develop.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: 17GD on October 29, 2018, 04:28:24 PM
Not been able to watch every game, so can't say, but going by games I have seen he seems like a shy goalkeeper. Rarely hear him shouting or commanding his box and seems reluctant to come off his line. A number of times when the ball has been played through there is that reluctance and there's some confusion between him and the defender before it is cleared.

All-round Gks are a rare breed. Even Petr Cech, whom I highly rate, has made some howlers.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 29, 2018, 06:27:55 PM
This is a young keeper both in terms of age and experience.  Fozie was/is a top top keeper who is still performing at the right end of the Premier League into his mid thirties.  No where near the finished article but the kid does have something about him.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Atomic on October 29, 2018, 07:03:11 PM
This is a young keeper both in terms of age and experience.  Fozie was/is a top top keeper who is still performing at the right end of the Premier League into his mid thirties.  No where near the finished article but the kid does have something about him.


I thought Johnstone was going to be the first goalkeeper ever to be booked for wasting his own teams time on Saturday.

He's unflappable, I'll give him that, never lets anything get to him.

He's a good goalkeeper but in goalkeeping terms he's young, he will only improve with experience. I actually think his distribution is fine, it's his decision making that is his biggest Achilles heal at the moment.
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: east-stand-nick on October 30, 2018, 08:01:10 AM

I thought Johnstone was going to be the first goalkeeper ever to be booked for wasting his own teams time

Surely Foster got close under Pulis?
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 02, 2018, 06:22:07 PM
Surely Foster got close under Pulis?
Now there's a rumour 💕
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 25, 2018, 04:56:23 PM
Sam looking much more confident behind the present back four
Title: Re: Official: Sam Johnstone signs
Post by: Atomic on November 25, 2018, 09:16:41 PM
Sam looking much more confident behind the present back four


Everyone is looking much more confident. The only people the new system doesn't ideally suit are Dwight Gayle and maybe Wes Hoolahan, everyone else looks all the better for it.

Johnstone can count himself very unlucky not to have two clean sheets from the last two games.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on November 28, 2018, 10:10:02 AM
Johnstone can count himself very unlucky not to have two clean sheets from the last two games.

Not through anything he has done though, still scares me and more scared of crosses than Dracula.

BUT

He is still young and will improve (hopefully) with the amount of game time he is getting. Remain unconvinced at present, but we'll see!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on November 28, 2018, 12:17:59 PM
Not through anything he has done though, still scares me and more scared of crosses than Dracula.

BUT

He is still young and will improve (hopefully) with the amount of game time he is getting. Remain unconvinced at present, but we'll see!

I would disagree, I thought he has looked better on crosses the past few weeks, has come and collected some and ran down the clock when needed.

More than happy with him in the sticks, as someone mentioned above, can count himself very unlucky to not have a couple of cleansheets the last 2 games.

Fingers crossed he gets one tonight.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on November 28, 2018, 02:53:20 PM
Not through anything he has done though, still scares me and more scared of crosses than Dracula.

BUT

He is still young and will improve (hopefully) with the amount of game time he is getting. Remain unconvinced at present, but we'll see!

Back in the day we said the same about Dicky (Richard) Shepard but he was still a top keeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 28, 2018, 03:10:23 PM
I would disagree, I thought he has looked better on crosses the past few weeks, has come and collected some and ran down the clock when needed.

More than happy with him in the sticks, as someone mentioned above, can count himself very unlucky to not have a couple of cleansheets the last 2 games.

Fingers crossed he gets one tonight.
There’s a difference between running down the clock (while looking like you’re doing something), and obviously standing around wasting time. It’s a fine art. I’ve got it off to a tee. ☺️
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on November 28, 2018, 04:05:03 PM
At Ipswich it was all too obvious that we were time wasting and it cost us 2 (possibly 3) bookings. We need to be a lot cuter about
"managing" the closing stages.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on November 29, 2018, 03:11:52 PM
Poor for the goal yesterday.  Not a great shot,  straight at him and he dives and punches it to the only attacked in the box.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on November 29, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
Still not convinced by this lad. If we get back in the Prem i'd like to see us go for Heaton instead.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 22, 2018, 05:58:12 PM
Still hasn't conceded a penalty this year. Was that his third or fourth save from 12 yards?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 22, 2018, 06:08:54 PM
Still hasn't conceded a penalty this year. Was that his third or fourth save from 12 yards?


Penalty looked like it hit the post.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 22, 2018, 06:22:57 PM
Wish he'd stop time wasting.  Pulis was rightly criticised for it but at least that was in the Prem against teams we needed to kill the game against.  This was against Rotherham, when we were two-nil up after 30 mins and we were clearly the better side.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on December 22, 2018, 06:31:24 PM

Penalty looked like it hit the post.
it did, Johnstone dived the other way.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 22, 2018, 09:29:03 PM
Wish he'd stop time wasting.  Pulis was rightly criticised for it but at least that was in the Prem against teams we needed to kill the game against.  This was against Rotherham, when we were two-nil up after 30 mins and we were clearly the better side.

I'd be amazed if he was deciding to do that of his own volition, he'll be directed to go slow on goal kicks etc if we're ever 2 goals up. He just over-egged it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 22, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
it did, Johnstone dived the other way.

But how many penalties have we had against us now? Stoke blues rotherham? Still hasn't conceded a penalty
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 23, 2018, 10:43:35 AM
Wish he'd stop time wasting.  Pulis was rightly criticised for it but at least that was in the Prem against teams we needed to kill the game against.  This was against Rotherham, when we were two-nil up after 30 mins and we were clearly the better side.

I'm not sure he was time wasting - and it was rather rubbish from the referee to book him really - a warning would have been sufficient

Johnstone was waiting for someone to move into space to beat the press - unfortunately our outfield players seemed rather glued to their original positions

One thing I did notice yesterday was the amount of encouragement and praise he gets from Graeme Jones. I took note of several goal kicks yesterday where Jones immediately appeared to clap or put his thumb up to Johnstone when he had beaten the press
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on December 23, 2018, 11:34:24 AM
Johnstone takes his time even when we're behind / level. I remember the Blackburn game he took his time then when we needed a goal. I think he's just so laid back I think that's the sort of character he is.

Nothing at all seems to bother him or knock him out of his stride. Not a bad thing for a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Adamstv on December 23, 2018, 12:33:50 PM
But how many penalties have we had against us now? Stoke blues rotherham? Still hasn't conceded a penalty

Norwich away as well
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 23, 2018, 06:07:36 PM
Hopefully this clean sheet gives him the confidence boost needed for the second half of season. A consecutive clean sheet would do him World of good. Been flashes of a good keeper in there (he has some David James moments trying to play football) we have been spoilt by having foster of recent times who was and still is a class above
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 23, 2018, 07:58:48 PM
We needed a replacement for Fozzie (because he was getting old).
Sam needs to cement his place by really commanding his box.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 23, 2018, 08:26:27 PM
Hopefully this clean sheet gives him the confidence boost needed for the second half of season. A consecutive clean sheet would do him World of good. Been flashes of a good keeper in there (he has some David James moments trying to play football) we have been spoilt by having foster of recent times who was and still is a class above
Been watching Foster. Some of the goals he has let in for Watford. I would think Sam would have saved.I think he is a very good young keeper. We need a good solid CB like Olsson Gmac.Who wants to be here.And a RB of course.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on December 23, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
Been watching Foster. Some of the goals he has let in for Watford. I would think Sam would have saved.I think he is a very good young keeper. We need a good solid CB like Olsson Gmac.Who wants to be here.And a RB of course.
To replace one our excellent centre halves? Or as a replacement for Bartley?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Adder on December 23, 2018, 08:35:11 PM
Been watching Foster. Some of the goals he has let in for Watford. I would think Sam would have saved.I think he is a very good young keeper. We need a good solid CB like Olsson Gmac.Who wants to be here.And a RB of course.
Have you noticed any of the outstanding saves he's made ? He is still top notch and a class above Johnstone and the vast majority of other GKs.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on December 24, 2018, 12:00:47 AM
Been watching Foster. Some of the goals he has let in for Watford. I would think Sam would have saved.I think he is a very good young keeper. We need a good solid CB like Olsson Gmac.Who wants to be here.And a RB of course.
I have a Watford pal who says Foster has made a big difference this season. Still feel a bit sore the way he left. Its not just his keepers ability, he had a natural authority organising in the box.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 24, 2018, 12:34:40 AM
Foster is superb, Johnstone is... Average, a decent reflex save keeper, dreadful from outside the box (Joe Hart suffers similarly) and very weak on crosses. Hopefully at 26, plenty of scope for improvement.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 24, 2018, 09:30:58 AM
Foster was the best keeper we've had down here for a long time.  I agree with Jaco, Johnston is a decent reflex save keeper but the rest of his game could be improved.  He had a good game Saturday to be fair to him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBArgo on December 24, 2018, 05:17:13 PM
So far I'm really impressed with him - he's clearly a solid keeper and is still young so can improve. Foster was our best ever in my view, so he was never going to be replaced; but I don't think we could do much better than Johnstone.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 24, 2018, 06:48:54 PM
I strongly doubt Foster could have coped as well as Sam does with the new style 'play it out from the back' system. Foster only had one option in his kit bag and that was to lump it up long with the occasional lump it and bend it out to the wing. Very rarely did he look to roll or throw it out quickly 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on December 25, 2018, 08:32:33 AM
I wish people would stop trying to compare him to Foster. He has nowhere near his experience give him time to improve.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 25, 2018, 08:39:23 AM
Easy to start seeing Foster through rose tinted glasses, yes he was a very good keeper for us, but he also had iffy spells, very good around his area and a commanding presence though.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 25, 2018, 10:19:06 AM
Easy to start seeing Foster through rose tinted glasses, yes he was a very good keeper for us, but he also had iffy spells, very good around his area and a commanding presence though.


You don't need rose tinted glasses. He's still playing at the top level and winning Watford points virtually single handedly.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 25, 2018, 10:28:23 AM
Foster was...and still is...absolutely brilliant. I like Johnstone, but he's no Foster at this stage
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 25, 2018, 03:01:37 PM
I wish people would stop trying to compare him to Foster. He has nowhere near his experience give him time to improve.

Completely agree, at this stage in his career you need to compare like for like. Foster has 10 years on his 25 years of age and he was understudy to Tomasz Kuszczak then!

I think Foster is a great keeper and it's a shame we could not keep hold of him. Great to see a relatively young keeper breaking through.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: liverbaggie on December 25, 2018, 04:55:08 PM
I think Foster is our greatest goalie since I've been watching Albion from 1962 and we've had some good ones.
I think Sam has the skills not the experience but that will come,I think he could get into the England team at some stage.
Foster under a cloud for me,but its his life.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on December 25, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
Hoult in his prime was number 1 for me ahead of Osborne, Godden Miller and Foster..
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on December 25, 2018, 08:30:54 PM
Hoult in his prime was number 1 for me ahead of Osborne, Godden Miller and Foster..
I'd put Osborne, Godden, Hoult and Miller in that order ahead of Foster. I have been trying to be nice as it's Christmas but I can't any longer! Johnstone is nowhere near any of the one's I have named and imo never will, he is well dodgy and at the moment I think he is a weak link i hope i am proved wrong but doubt it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnny Cash on December 25, 2018, 09:20:41 PM
It’s fairly common to hear that Goalkeepers reach their prime later, but is that really true anymore?

A lot of the top keepers are well established by their mid twenties now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 26, 2018, 07:44:05 AM
Keepers are best judged when they are behind a settled defence and under sustained pressure, and in that scenario Foster was generally very good.
Sam came in behind an extremely dodgy back three and  a system that was alien to all. I think that he has become more settled and confident under the present set-up, and is clearly playing to instructions with regards to playing out, and taking time.
In the early part of the season he was in my opinion, less culpable than the central defenders, in some shambolic performances.
He will be fine
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 26, 2018, 11:36:53 PM

You don't need rose tinted glasses. He's still playing at the top level and winning Watford points virtually single handedly.

My point is that there were times when people (wrongly), were saying he should be dropped.

Foster is still worthy of a place in Premier League team, no argument from me on that, but he has poorer periods as well. All keepers have fluctuating form to some extent.

As the post above says, he has come into a new team with a new defensive system and structure, when he has played behind a settled defence for a while, it will be fairer to judge him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 27, 2018, 07:56:18 AM

I thought he had a great game yesterday. Looked composed and his distribution was excellent.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 27, 2018, 08:08:07 AM
Apart from the free kick he patted back out he had a good game yestersay.  He does seem a bit too keen to palm the ball into danger zones at times.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on December 27, 2018, 08:47:20 AM
Wall didn't look setup right when they hit the post?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2018, 10:29:21 AM
Wall didn't look setup right when they hit the post?


Surely because it hit the post, as opposed to going in the bottom corner, the wall was perfect?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on December 27, 2018, 11:10:32 AM
Should of had three in wall and should be palming ball around the post or away from danger other than that not really tested.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on December 27, 2018, 11:15:33 AM

Surely because it hit the post, as opposed to going in the bottom corner, the wall was perfect?
That did occur to me after I had posted!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 27, 2018, 12:26:11 PM

Surely because it hit the post, as opposed to going in the bottom corner, the wall was perfect?
My group all agreed it was more down to luck than judgement and that we will take all the good luck going after the last few seasons
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on December 27, 2018, 12:49:02 PM
The fact that we have had two back to back clean sheets will only help his confidence.
He will, hopefully, trust those in front of him and visa versa.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 27, 2018, 02:09:08 PM

Surely because it hit the post, as opposed to going in the bottom corner, the wall was perfect?
If it went wide ...same?
It hit the post because it wasn't Beckham or Ronaldo taking it
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2018, 03:25:45 PM
If it went wide ...same?
It hit the post because it wasn't Beckham or Ronaldo taking it


Well no obviously not. But on the replays the ball is millimetres off hitting the left edge of the wall. It then hits the outside of the post. I'm not willing to criticise Johnstone for a perfectly acceptable wall on a free kick that didn't go in.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on December 27, 2018, 05:34:12 PM

Well no obviously not. But on the replays the ball is millimetres off hitting the left edge of the wall. It then hits the outside of the post. I'm not willing to criticise Johnstone for a perfectly acceptable wall on a free kick that didn't go in.

The wall was in the wrong position and should been moved another yard to our keepers left to stop them being able to curl the ball around, so that was the goalkeepers fault. Either he shifts the wall a yard along or gets another body in the wall, either way he had to cut of the angle. I've no issue with his general level of performances, he's been decent. Hopefully a few clean sheets will help his confidence.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2018, 07:27:55 PM
The wall was in the wrong position and should been moved another yard to our keepers left to stop them being able to curl the ball around, so that was the goalkeepers fault. Either he shifts the wall a yard along or gets another body in the wall, either way he had to cut of the angle. I've no issue with his general level of performances, he's been decent. Hopefully a few clean sheets will help his confidence.


Why? The post was covered by the wall, hence, no goal?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 27, 2018, 08:35:57 PM
Still not particularly convinced by him but as expected with the lads in front of him beginning to look more solid he seems to be improving.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2018, 12:13:48 PM
Wall didn't look setup right when they hit the post?

Was set up perfectly as Sam could leave it to go for a goal kick after hitting the post. Should do that for all free kicks!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on December 29, 2018, 09:18:48 PM
Rooted to the spot for the entire phase of play leading up to the Sheff Wed goal today from the corner so was disappointed - made up for it though with 2 decent saves in the first half after that. Distribution was hit and miss still..

Still not convinced yet but he still has years in him to learn more as he goes a long, just wish he'd be a bit more commanding of his area!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 29, 2018, 09:23:12 PM
To me, he is just a shot stopper and no different to Myhill.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BalisPen on January 06, 2019, 03:21:39 PM
I forgot to mention this but did not anyone else think he was fouled for the mulgrew goal?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: IGGYBLUE on January 07, 2019, 09:52:57 AM
I thought exactly the same tbh. It looked like he was pushed towards the back of the goal.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 07, 2019, 04:58:35 PM
I forgot to mention this but did not anyone else think he was fouled for the mulgrew goal?

I posted same in the post match thread, he was, but he needed to be much stronger.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Baggie79 on January 22, 2019, 08:15:55 PM
Deserves a mention been much better lately.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 22, 2019, 09:01:00 PM
Deserves a mention been much better lately.

He has indeed. He's come for crosses and had more presence in his box. Clean sheet will further build confidence.

I think it helps having bond as the understudy and not Myhill- who is just happy with a wage. Bond strikes me as hungrier to play. That challenge from the number 2 probably pushes Johnstone more
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on January 22, 2019, 09:04:20 PM
He didn't put a foot wrong yesterday. More of the same required.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2019, 09:31:00 PM
He didn't put a foot wrong yesterday. More of the same required.


Really? His goalkeeping was fine, but he kicked the ball straight out of play about 20 times (a generous estimate).
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on January 22, 2019, 11:08:59 PM
Played well last night and is getting better. I know some won’t agree but so be it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on January 23, 2019, 04:48:06 AM
I think he's made some incredible saves this season at vital times ans won us points on his own. He's still relatively young as goalies go and has some further development in him yet, but I think he's had a pretty good first season to build on. Hopefully the new GK coach will mean he continues to settle in and improve
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on January 23, 2019, 09:57:33 AM
I think he's made some incredible saves this season at vital times ans won us points on his own. He's still relatively young as goalies go and has some further development in him yet, but I think he's had a pretty good first season to build on. Hopefully the new GK coach will mean he continues to settle in and improve
I'm happy with him. Made some excellent saves against Bolton and seems to be gaining in confidence (perhaps due to being reunited with his previous coach?)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on January 23, 2019, 10:09:32 AM
I'm happy with him. Made some excellent saves against Bolton and seems to be gaining in confidence (perhaps due to being reunited with his previous coach?)
He even came off his line and caught one!
He's been ok to be fair but think he could be much better if he had a bit more confidence, he needs to be far more assertive. As you say, hopefully the new coach will bring him on.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 23, 2019, 10:11:47 AM
Hopefully the introduction of Gary Walsh as coach will give him that extra bit of confidence having worked with him before
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Backofthenet on January 23, 2019, 01:45:00 PM
I think he's ok certainly done more right than wrong in my eyes. Problem is that a keeper makes a mistake and it's usually a goal which is costly. I genuinely believe he has made some excellent saves which have contributed to our league position.
Also a difficult act to follow as Foster was certainly a quality keeper although he had faults but over time we learned to live with them.
Give Sam time and encouragement, he will be a good investment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbastrollers on January 23, 2019, 02:45:04 PM
I think he's ok certainly done more right than wrong in my eyes. Problem is that a keeper makes a mistake and it's usually a goal which is costly. I genuinely believe he has made some excellent saves which have contributed to our league position.
Also a difficult act to follow as Foster was certainly a quality keeper although he had faults but over time we learned to live with them.
Give Sam time and encouragement, he will be a good investment.

He had a relatively quiet game v Bolton. The 3 saves he had to make he made with spectacular athleticism. However, his kicking was appalling. I am in the grip of fear when he has the ball in hand and puts it down to play it out. On one occasion he ballooned the ball to the edge of the penalty area, I think it was Gibbs who had to clear with a punt downfield.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJoker on January 23, 2019, 03:17:48 PM
The lad is still learning and besides we are judging him against Foster who was both very experienced and
one of the best keepers we have had in some time.

He needs time and a settled back 4 before we can truly judge
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on January 23, 2019, 04:36:13 PM
As for the kicking, I said on the after Bolton thread, if he is almost always going to play it out short, then he will be sussed and can be closed down every time, eventually he will give away a soft goal.  Nothing wrong with the big wellie from time to time.  Also, can someone lend him a tape measure so he can check how tall Gibbs is, this might stop him chipping it over head into the crowd.

He's a good goalie though if you ask me, and has plenty of time to get more confident off his line.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on January 23, 2019, 04:42:29 PM
The lad is still learning and besides we are judging him against Foster who was both very experienced and
one of the best keepers we have had in some time.

He needs time and a settled back 4 before we can truly judge

I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

And welcome to the goodship westbrom.com, hope to read more of your posts in the future
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbarenno on January 23, 2019, 05:00:12 PM
Put it this way compare Johnstone Monday against Bolton and the Bolton at the start of the season. Like watching two different keepers. First game of the season I was thinking what have we brought and what the hell were the villa fans raving about.

He has got better as the season has gone on. He is only 25 which is very young for a goalkeeper. He will just get better and better.

We had foster for years who was the best keeper I ever saw up the Albion. So it’s unfair to compare Johnstone to foster.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on January 23, 2019, 07:00:38 PM
Foster, I think, was 28 when he came to us, so slightly unfair to compare him with 25 year old Johnstone. He was certainly a better keeper by that time but, as others have said, he was/is an outstanding keeper. In the early days though (and in the later days too to a certain extent), his kicking could be dreadful. Sam is doing well and will get better and better as he gets more experience.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 02, 2019, 07:00:45 PM
A poor goalkeeper regardless of his age.

There is serious issues with the movement of his feet - seems to be that every shot on target ends up in the back of the net.

Bond is better, on the brief appearances I’ve seen
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 02, 2019, 07:04:01 PM
I agree it's time to replace Johnstone with Bond. He can't inspire confidence and we can't afford howlers on this regular a basis.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: richjonawba on February 02, 2019, 07:06:56 PM
Though I agree he is a poor goalkeeper who has cost us multiple times throughout the season, does anyone seriously think Sam Johnstone is going to be dropped? Absolutely no chance
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 02, 2019, 07:08:58 PM
Though I agree he is a poor goalkeeper who has cost us multiple times throughout the season, does anyone seriously think Sam Johnstone is going to be dropped? Absolutely no chance

His position is safe as houses

He’s an investment and a poor one at that in my view
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smosher34 on February 02, 2019, 07:12:25 PM
Never rated him this season what I have seen. Looks miserable and don't want to be here
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
Never rated him this season what I have seen. Looks miserable and don't want to be here
He's rubbish and should be dropped I've said it since I saw him in the pre season he gives me kittens every time the ball comes near him. I have only seen Bond twice but he looks much better in my view.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on February 02, 2019, 07:28:56 PM
Not been a fan of Sam's from day one. He's simply not good enough and I'd like to see Bond start the next league game. I think Bond would have saved at least one of those goals today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Foster#1 on February 02, 2019, 07:30:03 PM
Please don't write him off after 6 months
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 02, 2019, 07:33:34 PM
Please don't write him off after 6 months
I don't think people are, it seems that almost all thatnhave posted today are stating that the backup (bond) deserves a chance ..and I concur
Johnstone needs to be dropped, it's not writing him off it's playing (or taking out) according to form....we would benefit from more of it
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 02, 2019, 08:17:05 PM
Needs dropping. Not a fan at all sorry. Maybe it will give him the kick up the backside he needs.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggiejohn on February 02, 2019, 09:17:38 PM
I'm not a fan, but there was no way he was responsible for any of the goals today.

Every one was caused by mistakes from an outfield player.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2019, 09:21:29 PM
I'm not a fan, but there was no way he was responsible for any of the goals today.

Every one was caused by mistakes from an outfield player.
He was at fault for all them directly or indirectly.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggiejohn on February 02, 2019, 09:28:58 PM
He was at fault for all them directly or indirectly.

How was he responsible for the Blunt blunder for example?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on February 02, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
I'm not a fan, but there was no way he was responsible for any of the goals today.

Every one was caused by mistakes from an outfield player.

I wouldnt say he was the reason we conceded the goals primarily but if you compare the saves he made (literally none) to the ones the Boro keeper made, there's a large difference.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2019, 09:33:58 PM
How was he responsible for the Blunt blunder for example?
He should have come and claimed the ball! But he never does.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 02, 2019, 09:36:58 PM
How was he responsible for the Blunt blunder for example?
He never comes and claims,because he is so bad the player/s in front (in this case Brunt) panic and don’t want to risk the ball going past them..take him out and I think our clean sheets improve ..
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggiejohn on February 02, 2019, 09:50:05 PM
He never comes and claims,because he is so bad the player/s in front (in this case Brunt) panic and don’t want to risk the ball going past them..take him out and I think our clean sheets improve ..

It was Brunt's ball to clear, Johnstone wasn't even it bit part player.
Professional players with over 400 games & high level international experience just don't panic. On the other hand they do make mistakes.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 02, 2019, 10:59:37 PM
It was Brunt's ball to clear, Johnstone wasn't even it bit part player.
Professional players with over 400 games & high level international experience just don't panic. On the other hand they do make mistakes.
Why was brunt there, a few on here have said they heard Johnstone shout for it...brunt ignored...but if he's not that far back and out of position, then he doesn't balls up

Foster is off his line and would have gone through brunt if needed, he does not command nor I still confidence , Maldini and Ramos would look bad in front of him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Tatnam baggie on February 02, 2019, 11:29:51 PM
I’ve been thinking this for months, Johnson is just not good enough. Never commands his area, hardly ever makes any saves, especially from outside the box. I don’t think Albion defence has much confidence in him! Watched Bond a fee times & quite frankly I’m impressed. Wouldn’t hurt if he’s given a chance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 03, 2019, 05:52:03 AM
I haven't felt safe with Johnstone in goal all season. The 2 cup games bond has played are the only 2 ive felt remotely confident and both times he had a poorer back line in front of him.

Johnstone form has got gradually worse and worse. His confidence is shot. I concur bond deserves a go even if that just gives Johnstone the shot in the arm he needs
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: rajesh-wba on February 03, 2019, 07:19:17 AM
Overall I have to say I’ve been disappointed with Johnstone.
My judgement isn’t based on comparing Johnstone to Foster, either.
Yesterday I know it may sound very harsh, thought he could have done better for the first and second goals in particular. Also could he have shown more presence for the third? Again, I’m not a goalkeeping coach/expert but he has never filled me with much confidence.
I think modern keepers now need to think more whilst play is processing and especially with our new style of football and wanting to initiate attacks from the goalkeeper, could this be having an affect with his concentration levels?
I really hope he goes on to prove me wrong. His distribution has improved as the season has progressed. I mean the first goal could be apportioned blame to either him or Barry. With the way we are playing, either full back, and deepest lying central midfielder need to be prepared for the ball to come out towards them, hence I thought Barry (who had a poor game by his recent standards) was a little flat footed.
Bond and Myhill are both viable options at this level. If Bond impresses again on a Wednesday, could be an interesting decision for the coaching staff a week Saturday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 03, 2019, 07:39:55 AM
Overall I have to say I’ve been disappointed with Johnstone.
My judgement isn’t based on him comparing Johnstone to Foster, either.
Yesterday I and it may sound very harsh thought he could have done better for the first and second goals in particular. Also could he have shown more presence for the third? Again, I’m not a goalkeeping coach/expert but he has never filled me with much confidence.
I think modern keepers now need to think more whilst play is processing and especially with our new style of football and wanting to initiate attacks from the goalkeeper, could this be having an affect with his concentration levels?
I really hope he goes on to prove me wrong. His distribution has improved as the season has progressed. I mean the first goal could be apportioned blame to either him or Barry. With the way we are playing, either full back, and deepest lying central midfielder need to be prepared for the ball to come out towards them, hence I thought Barry (who had a poor game by his recent standards) was a little flat footed.
Bond and Myhill are both viable options at this level. If Bond impresses again on a Wednesday, could be an interesting decision for the coaching staff a week Saturday.


There was no Middlesbrough player anywhere near the ball for the third goal. It was a poor free kick delivery and Johnstone should've come and collected it easily. Yes it was a miss kick from Brunty but he never should've played the ball in the first place Johnstone should be screaming at Brunt to leave it and every player should know if they get a shout from the 'keeper they leave it. Either Brunt has had no call, had a call too late or he's ignored the call. Either way it reflects badly on the goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 03, 2019, 10:41:22 AM
Just seen the highlights and he plays a part in all three

The first is a poor pass - not forgetting Barry’s mistake, but the shot from saville seems so central to the goal, it takes Johnstone an eternity to get down, by which point the ball is past him

The second again seems a shot straight at him which appears to go through him - his positional sense seems poor which comes from being too flat footed. He should have been out to close down the angles

The third - Brunt should have dealt with it, no doubts, but Johnstone needs to give a bloody loud shout and claim that. Food and drink for any goalkeeper.

I’ve stayed quiet over the debate thinking he is a young keeper with time to blossom - the more I see, the more Insee fundamental issues which may take a longer time to coach than we anticipated
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 03, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
I genuinely think we would be 8 or 9 points better off if not for his grave errors and lack of, pardon the pun, balls.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on February 03, 2019, 11:16:58 AM
Please don't write him off after 6 months

Six months is a decent time scale. When you get a job, very often there is a 3 or 6 month trial period. I'd put him in with some of the weakest GKs we've had at the club in the past 20-30 years. He's more of an athlete than a GK. Seems fit and agile but isn't a shot stopper and makes poor decisions.

I'd be interested to see his shots to saves and shots to goals ratio. Maybe that would prove me wrong. I just believe that GKs should be loud, proactive and strong. He isn't any of them.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggiebof on February 03, 2019, 11:51:52 AM
Didn't make the game yesterday but from the highlights, he doesn't look majorly culpable to me. He certainly made an error of judgment for the first goal and has done that all too often this season however I'm sure that he is being encouraged to play this way and hopefully his decision making will improve in this respect.

I agree that Johnstone could be stronger but I think goalkeeping is one of the big differemces between this league and the league above. I look around the Championship and there arent an abundance of great keepers:
Let's look at the top 6:

Norwich - Krul, not wanted by PL teams in recent seasons
Leeds - new keeper signed from Spain after their young keepers weren't cutting it
Sheffield United - Henderson, haven't seen enough of him hut pedigree wise, similar to Johnstone
Boro - Darren Randolph who has been a backup in the PL
Bristol City - Frank Fielding who has never really played as a starter in the PL

Furthermore, out of the three teams that went up last year, two have changed their keepers. I guess what im saying is that Johnstone is probably about par for the course in terms of goalkeeping in the upper echelons of the league, he was in the team of the year last season too. I'm not saying he will or won't cut it at the the level we aspire to be at in the future but for now, he's probably as good as can be expected. We've been spoilt with Foster for the last few years.

Finally just addressing the calls for Bond, he doesn't really have any goalkeeping pedigree and he was happy to come in as third choice which suggests to me he's not our number one. Granted he has had a couple of good games but I'd go with Johnstone for sure.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Foster#1 on February 03, 2019, 11:53:31 AM
Six months is a decent time scale. When you get a job, very often there is a 3 or 6 month trial period. I'd put him in with some of the weakest GKs we've had at the club in the past 20-30 years. He's more of an athlete than a GK. Seems fit and agile but isn't a shot stopper and makes poor decisions.

I'd be interested to see his shots to saves and shots to goals ratio. Maybe that would prove me wrong. I just believe that GKs should be loud, proactive and strong. He isn't any of them.

Don't you remember de gea ?

Lukaku smashed it 6 months and united fans loved him. They hate him now and think he a donkey
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on February 03, 2019, 12:12:12 PM
I'm not saying he's the worst keeper I've seen at the Albion at all, but I think we were spoiled with Foster. Foster probably won us 8 or 9 points a season. There were games when his shop stopping literally kept us in the game. Nearly every game he pulled off some memorable saves. Yesterday, you feel that he would have got a hand to at least one of Boro's shots, which were about the only ones they got on target all game.

I don't know if Bond is any better, but there needs to be some healthy competition for the goalkeeper slot.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on February 03, 2019, 12:16:14 PM
Don't you remember de gea ?

Lukaku smashed it 6 months and united fans loved him. They hate him now and think he a donkey

Lukaku has added points for every team he's played for, including ours. How many points has Johnstone saved us, or indeed cost us?

DM constantly tries to back his players up by saying "we score goals as a team and concede goals as a team" but that's just not true. Individual errors cost us 3 points yesterday. Players need to take responsibility and stop being so flimsy.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 03, 2019, 12:17:41 PM
Don't you remember de gea ?

Lukaku smashed it 6 months and united fans loved him. They hate him now and think he a donkey


For every De Gea there are hundreds of others. Man United and De Gea are a world away from Albion and Johnstone. A troubled 'keeper might mean they finish fifth. They then spend millions upon millions and recover. A troubled 'keeper means we miss out on promotion and the millions of pounds that brings and then (failing promotion) the years that follow in the footballing wilderness.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 03, 2019, 12:18:06 PM
Don't you remember de gea ?

Lukaku smashed it 6 months and united fans loved him. They hate him now and think he a donkey
Which is why lukaku was dropped
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 03, 2019, 12:20:07 PM
If Bond plays well against Brighton then he should carry on. Johnson had no chance with the third yesterday but should have saved their first one and that was after an awful pass out to Barry.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 03, 2019, 12:22:38 PM
If Bond plays well against Brighton then he should carry on. Johnson had no chance with the third yesterday but should have saved their first one and that was after an awful pass out to Barry.


It was a rubbish free kick that was going straight through to him with no Boro player in sight. Of course he was to blame he should be screaming at Brunt to leave it and come and collect it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 03, 2019, 12:30:34 PM

It was a rubbish free kick that was going straight through to him with no Boro player in sight. Of course he was to blame he should be screaming at Brunt to leave it and come and collect it.
I think they are both to blame
He did call but stayed rooted, brunt would have heard the call but (like me) has no confidence so tried (and failed) to clear
The keeper is a huge problem
I think bond has 2 games 2 clean sheets
I think Johnston has 2 all season ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 03, 2019, 12:35:45 PM
I think they are both to blame
He did call but stayed rooted, brunt would have heard the call but (like me) has no confidence so tried (and failed) to clear
The keeper is a huge problem
I think bond has 2 games 2 clean sheets
I think Johnston has 2 all season ?


I think most are agreed that we need to change the goalkeeper. Earlier in the season we needed to abandon the 3-4-1-2, Darren did the right thing then lets hope he does the right thing now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 03, 2019, 12:37:13 PM

I think most are agreed that we need to change the goalkeeper. Earlier in the season we needed to abandon the 3-4-1-2, Darren did the right thing then lets hope he does the right thing now.
My biggest issue with Moore is that he seems to be forced in to making the decisions that he should be....through injuries or suspension....they are never a proactive choice
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 03, 2019, 06:00:47 PM
My biggest issue with Moore is that he seems to be forced in to making the decisions that he should be....through injuries or suspension....they are never a proactive choice

I can't blame him for not being proactive, if yesterday is anything to go by.

He hasn't been proactive with his subs at all until yesterday, and after each of the last two subs, Boro scored.

Johnstone is a poor keeper, and he shouldn't have played it to Barry for their first, but Bond probably isn't a number one (at least not yet), and Myhill is rubbish.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on February 03, 2019, 07:45:59 PM
I think they are both to blame
He did call but stayed rooted, brunt would have heard the call but (like me) has no confidence so tried (and failed) to clear
The keeper is a huge problem
I think bond has 2 games 2 clean sheets
I think Johnston has 2 all season ?

I've not been overly impressed with Sam Johnstone. However, if he did indeed make the call I'd imagine he stayed rooted because there was no need to come for it. The ball would've gone straight through to him. No way Assombalonga gets onto that ball if Brunt stays out of the way. Totally needless intervention.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 03, 2019, 07:48:38 PM
I've not been overly impressed with Sam Johnstone. However, if he did indeed make the call I'd imagine he stayed rooted because there was no need to come for it. The ball would've gone straight through to him. No way Assombalonga gets onto that ball if Brunt stays out of the way. Totally needless intervention.
The most sensible post I have seen about the third goal. Spot on
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2019, 08:11:31 PM
If Johnstone called for it then Brunt is very poor for trying to play it. A call means you leave it alone regardless of what you think should happen.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: frazzle on February 03, 2019, 08:14:27 PM
If Johnstone called for it then Brunt is very poor for trying to play it. A call means you leave it alone regardless of what you think should happen.

Not really. When in doubt you take control. His decision was fine, the problem was he fluffed it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ComebackStrodds on February 03, 2019, 10:02:33 PM
Come back Bruiser all is forgiven
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 04, 2019, 08:12:08 AM
Not really. When in doubt you take control. His decision was fine, the problem was he fluffed it.
Correct
The biggest question for me is what the hell was Brunt doing there ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: leeiswba on February 04, 2019, 08:34:50 AM
Correct
The biggest question for me is what the hell was Brunt doing there ?

Defending the free kick?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on February 04, 2019, 09:25:52 AM
Brunts lack of awareness for what's going on around him is unforgivable for someone of his experience
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tommcneill on February 04, 2019, 09:27:05 AM
Got to be honest Johnstone does not inspire confidence in me, so he cant be in his defenders

Not a fan im sorry to say, I think Bond should be brought in for a few games
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on February 04, 2019, 09:44:46 AM
Too slow and indecisive, needs to start taking charge of his area.
Just seems half asleep to me, no real urgency or awareness, just watched all the goals again and with a half decent keeper that's a clean sheet.
If Bond does well again on Wednesday, he should get an opportunity.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on February 04, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
Not really. When in doubt you take control. His decision was fine, the problem was he fluffed it.

Not if there's a shout you don't.  The shout is there to remove all doubt.  If the keeper shouts for the ball you leave it.  It's as simple as that.  It's football 101.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on February 04, 2019, 11:12:34 AM
Seen a lot of stick given to Johnstone for a couple of the goals the weekend.

The first one for me isn’t his fault, he’s played the ball out and Barry has lost the ball.

3rd goal, he called keepers and Brunt took the decision to attempt to clear it, again nothing Sam could do about that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 04, 2019, 11:16:23 AM
Seen a lot of stick given to Johnstone for a couple of the goals the weekend.

The first one for me isn’t his fault, he’s played the ball out and Barry has lost the ball.

3rd goal, he called keepers and Brunt took the decision to attempt to clear it, again nothing Sam could do about that.

There's a difference between being blamed for the goals and people saying he could have done better with the shots.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
If i was Darren Moore i would be asking my Goalkeeping coach "which of the 3 keepers do i pick this week"?

I would accept the expert advice as thats what the coach is being paid for, so long as it doesn't affect clubs targets. Ie playing Johnstone in cup risks an injury and could affect league ambitions.

Have we seen improvements in Johnstones performances? If not question the goalkeeping coaches !!!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2019, 12:41:44 PM
If i was Darren Moore i would be asking my Goalkeeping coach "which of the 3 keepers do i pick this week"?

I would accept the expert advice as thats what the coach is being paid for, so long as it doesn't affect clubs targets. Ie playing Johnstone in cup risks an injury and could affect league ambitions.

Have we seen improvements in Johnstones performances? If not question the goalkeeping coaches !!!
Trouble with that is Gary Walsh has only been here a few weeks and was SJ's coach at Villa .
Suspect he'll hang on to the shirt a bit longer yet.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 04, 2019, 12:44:36 PM
If i was Darren Moore i would be asking my Goalkeeping coach "which of the 3 keepers do i pick this week"?

I would accept the expert advice as thats what the coach is being paid for, so long as it doesn't affect clubs targets. Ie playing Johnstone in cup risks an injury and could affect league ambitions.

Have we seen improvements in Johnstones performances? If not question the goalkeeping coaches !!!

I don't see him being dropped since the arrival of Gary Walsh.

Furthermore, the club will view him as a long term investment. A relatively young (by goalkeepers standard) goalkeeper whom the club will see as one they can develop.

Personally, I am not so sure..
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2019, 12:48:02 PM
Trouble with that is Gary Walsh has only been here a few weeks and was SJ's coach at Villa .
Suspect he'll hang on to the shirt a bit longer yet.

regardless of how long Walsh has been in situ,  if his (Walshes)  recommendation is Johnston you would hope its based upon ability / attitude / confidence rather than loyalty. (I do accept that loyalty can impact confidence BTW)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 04, 2019, 06:06:40 PM
Given it took Darren Moore two months too long to drop Bartley and switch to a back four I cannot see any chance of him dropping Johntone this season, he moves at a snails pace on these things. That said Bond must surely have a chance if he does the job in midweek.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on February 04, 2019, 09:13:02 PM
think he'd look twice as good if we stopped the pratting around at the back. I'm surprised we haven't been punished more often than we have, when it goes wrong the goaly is always going to get the pointed finger. seems obvious that the management want it done this way,so they are as much to blame when it goes tits up.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 04, 2019, 11:20:09 PM
think he'd look twice as good if we stopped the pratting around at the back. I'm surprised we haven't been punished more often than we have, when it goes wrong the goaly is always going to get the pointed finger. seems obvious that the management want it done this way,so they are as much to blame when it goes tits up.

Ironically I think Johnstone’s passing is one of his strengths. Much better then Foster with the ball at his feet. Weakness is coming off him line and shot stopping is a bit iffy.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ex coseley kid on February 05, 2019, 10:08:14 AM
Ironically I think Johnstone’s passing is one of his strengths. Much better then Foster with the ball at his feet. Weakness is coming off him line and shot stopping is a bit iffy.

Or, in a nutshell, goalkeeping.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on February 05, 2019, 01:02:33 PM
Or, in a nutshell, goalkeeping.

Plus his decision making, and his communication and his organisation of the defenders in front of him and pretty much everything else that makes a good keeper
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: kendo on February 05, 2019, 03:46:47 PM
As we have a goalkeeping coach. How can he not see that Johnstone does not dominate any part of the box. he does not give the defenders any confidence in him at all. When he as to set up play like we try to do its suicide any time he as the ball at his feet. I was always told as a keeper, dominate the box, be alert ready to move your feet. Sometimes its as if he is standing in mud. He should just take a look at the West Ham keeper. He dominates most of the area, never mind the 6 yard box.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 05, 2019, 03:54:21 PM
As we have a goalkeeping coach. How can he not see that Johnstone does not dominate any part of the box. he does not give the defenders any confidence in him at all. When he as to set up play like we try to do its suicide any time he as the ball at his feet. I was always told as a keeper, dominate the box, be alert ready to move your feet. Sometimes its as if he is standing in mud. He should just take a look at the West Ham keeper. He dominates most of the area, never mind the 6 yard box.

Its also a coach that has worked with him before so should be aware of what he can and can't do.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on February 05, 2019, 07:29:43 PM
Its also a coach that has worked with him before so should be aware of what he can and can't do.
Does this then lead to the argument that either Johnstone is not responding to his coach (seals fans criticise him for the same faults) or his coach is not encouraging him to improve these woeful aspects of his game? in either case he needs to be replaced by better sooner rather than later. From what bit I have seen of Bond I wouldn’t mind seeing him get a go.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2019, 07:46:17 PM
I wonder, had we not been perusing Sam and Ben realising he would be playing second fiddle when we signed him and had we just bought Bond in as number two, would Ben have stayed with us?

But is Sam the long term future?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 05, 2019, 07:55:59 PM
I wonder, had we not been perusing Sam and Ben realising he would be playing second fiddle when we signed him and had we just bought Bond in as number two, would Ben have stayed with us?

But is Sam the long term future?


Foster did not leave because we signed Johnstone to take over as number 1. Biggest myth going round this season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 06, 2019, 12:53:55 PM
I wonder, had we not been perusing Sam and Ben realising he would be playing second fiddle when we signed him and had we just bought Bond in as number two, would Ben have stayed with us?

But is Sam the long term future?

Foster had put his transfer request and packed his bags long before we signed Johnstone. If Foster was here he'd still be first choice, with Myhill and Bond behind him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 12, 2019, 11:52:34 PM
Come-on lets be avin you. Great save from Sam tonight to keep us in the game . 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 12, 2019, 11:53:59 PM
Come-on lets be avin you. Great save from Sam tonight to keep us in the game .

Cracking save but the messing about at the back does not suit him (or many others in the side)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2019, 11:55:27 PM
Thought he'd forgotten how to save a goal bound shot so was pleasantly surprised when he kept that one out. Needs a rest.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on February 12, 2019, 11:56:47 PM
Cracking save but the messing about at the back does not suit him (or many others in the side)
not at fault for any of the shambles a head of him tonight and a cracking save helped us gain an undeserving point.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 13, 2019, 12:27:11 AM
Good save, however Grabban made it obvious he was putting it there, but still needed to be saved. Thought his distribution was spot on today and more than once started off attacks with quick thinking.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on February 13, 2019, 07:39:29 AM
The faffing at the back is a tactic put on him and just like those in front of him he sometimes makes mistakes. We were spoiled with Foster who was and still is a fantastic keeper.

I think Johnstone would be doing a whole lot better if he we didn't play out from the back as much, then of course we'd complain about being too direct.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 13, 2019, 09:12:49 AM
Cracking save but the messing about at the back does not suit him (or many others in the side)

Agreed, but it is not his decision to do it, he is being told to play that way, as they all are, to our detriment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on February 13, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
Come-on lets be avin you. Great save from Sam tonight to keep us in the game .

The fact that most of us (Certainly the people around me making comments in the Brummie Road when it happened) were surprised that he had been able to save something, says all you need to know about him at present.

Average at shot stopping, doesn't command his area or come for crosses, distribution poor... 1 save doesn't mask the rest of that.

Would rather play Bond.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2019, 11:14:02 AM
I've been criticial of Johnstone this season but there was nothing he could do last night tbf.  Made a good save and had no chance with the other two.   I still stand by my criticism, I mean, when a shot is directed at goal it's a surprise when he does actually save it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 16, 2019, 07:31:32 PM
I say it again to Sam's critics "Come-on lets be avin you" Abraham scores 1-0 who knows where that takes us?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on February 16, 2019, 07:52:12 PM
Great to see you come out to collect the cross's & calling for it. Its good to see. Well done on keeping another clean sheet. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on February 16, 2019, 07:52:32 PM
I say it again to Sam's critics "Come-on lets be avin you" Abraham scores 1-0 who knows where that takes us?

Here here.

Never fully understood why he has so much hate, could become a top keeper with time. Certainly have shown this week how crucial he is.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 16, 2019, 08:03:43 PM
Great to see you come out to collect the cross's & calling for it. Its good to see. Well done on keeping another clean sheet.

He proved he could take crosses and command today and that's what he should be doing every week. Hopefully the coaching is working. He was solid today and it helps when he wasn't being asked to play about at the back
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 16, 2019, 08:36:44 PM
He proved he could take crosses and command today and that's what he should be doing every week. Hopefully the coaching is working. He was solid today and it helps when he wasn't being asked to play about at the back
100%
I've said when he's fell short..was outstanding today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 16, 2019, 08:40:33 PM
Yep did his job well today, no complaints at all. Well done Sam. Now keep it up.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tommcneill on February 16, 2019, 08:49:04 PM
I’ve not been massively impressed by him and I’ve not hid that fact but today he was outstanding

Those saves from Abraham’s and from McGinn were brilliant and he looked so much more commanding today
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on February 16, 2019, 09:14:50 PM
I have been critical and to a great extent remain unconvinced, but he did well today and was much closer to what I expect an Albion keeper to be like. Well done sir, keep it up and keep learning
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on February 16, 2019, 09:20:54 PM
Credit where credit is due, he kept out 2 clear chances today. Looked solid and had good feet. I've been critical of him, but if he can up his game to this each week then his contribution could stick a few points on the board. His saves could be as important as Gayles and Rodriguezs goals.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on February 16, 2019, 09:30:58 PM
He proved he could take crosses and command today and that's what he should be doing every week. Hopefully the coaching is working. He was solid today and it helps when he wasn't being asked to play about at the back

Ah that what i said ???
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggies_24 on February 16, 2019, 09:45:28 PM
Received a lot of stick this season some of it justified however he’s been steady these past couple of games, the save against Forest was top draw at a really crucial stage, he was also out quickly for the Abraham chance which was another superb bit of keeping. Keep it up Sam
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on February 18, 2019, 12:49:42 PM
I say it again to Sam's critics "Come-on lets be avin you" Abraham scores 1-0 who knows where that takes us?

I've been VERY critical of Sam since his arrival and i'm still not convinced just yet BUT his performance against the Villa was brilliant, 2 very good saves, came for crosses etc - Needs to be doing it consistently every week though, not just every 1 in 10 weeks
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on February 18, 2019, 12:53:37 PM
He is getting better and is still to reach his prime years as a keeper. Bond has done well when he's played but I feel that Sam has the edge overall. Needs to dominate the box more on crosses etc but will get there.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 18, 2019, 01:04:26 PM
I have consistently defended Johnstone, I think he has shown signs of improvement, how much of that is because of improved defensive performance is hard to say, Foster played behind a solid defence even when we got relegated, with the signing of Holgate and the removal of Bartley the defence is suddenly much improved.

Johnstone is very rarely at fault for goals and regularly makes superb saves, he is not the complete keeper but neither is he the liability some have suggested, overall, he is doing quite well I think.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 19, 2019, 09:54:41 PM
Much improved again. Starting to command his box more, collecting crosses with ease. Keep it up Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 19, 2019, 10:27:19 PM
Much improved again. Starting to command his box more, collecting crosses with ease. Keep it up Sam.
Still stays too much on his line for me
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 19, 2019, 10:29:13 PM
STeps in the right direction though. He is slowly improving, especially compared to before xmas.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 19, 2019, 10:46:00 PM
Still stays too much on his line for me

Much better tonight. That corner he took when he kicked it out and their GK handballed it outside his box was class.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 19, 2019, 10:48:04 PM
Much better tonight. That corner he took when he kicked it out and their GK handballed it outside his box was class.
Missed by the ref and his assistant...WHY?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 19, 2019, 10:48:52 PM
MOst obvious handball i've seen in ages. Their penalty looked dubious from the single angle i've seen too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 19, 2019, 10:52:06 PM
Their pen was worse than dubious, never a pen in a million years, QPR player didn't even appeal for it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 19, 2019, 10:59:49 PM
Overall i think we can all agree they deserved the late shafting then  ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 19, 2019, 11:01:03 PM
MOst obvious handball i've seen in ages. Their penalty looked dubious from the single angle i've seen too.
Says it all
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 19, 2019, 11:07:01 PM
Beaten far too easily at his near post again tonight. Still not convinced or confident with him as number one
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 19, 2019, 11:21:28 PM
Beaten far too easily at his near post again tonight. Still not convinced or confident with him as number one

Can't agree with that. Have another look at their first goal. Freedman could have gone either side, Johnson had to protect all of his goal, it wasn't a particularly tight angle and Freedman to his credit slammed it in off his post, he had no chance. I thought he was poor against Boro but played well against Forest (vital save at 2-1 down), Villa and tonight.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: bradleysrocket on February 19, 2019, 11:30:45 PM
Beaten far too easily at his near post again tonight. Still not convinced or confident with him as number one
Id have Dawson down as far more culpable for the first goal. Made no effort at all to close down a shot. Instead he seemed to be holding back to block a cross, the immediate danger was from freeman, he didn’t even try to deal with it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2019, 11:36:09 PM
Doesn't seem to save anything remotely difficult, I feel like the oppo are going to score everytime they get a decent shot on target.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 19, 2019, 11:43:42 PM
Doesn't seem to save anything remotely difficult, I feel like the oppo are going to score everytime they get a decent shot on target.

The save against Forest when we were 2-1 down was incredible and having played well tonight, at Villa and in our last home game your post is unfair. He played poorly against Boro and I criticised him. It's only reasonable to credit him for his improvement since. We'd kept three clean sheets in a row away from home before tonight. No chance with either goals QPR got.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 19, 2019, 11:46:35 PM
Beaten far too easily at his near post again tonight. Still not convinced or confident with him as number one
How was he was supposed to cover the whole of the goal, with the scorer seven yards out and unchallenged by defenders?
As others have noted, Dawson was slow to cover the play and SJ was beaten off the post. IMO a good finish, not poor goalkeeping.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 19, 2019, 11:47:56 PM
Can't agree with that. Have another look at their first goal. Freedman could have gone either side, Johnson had to protect all of his goal, it wasn't a particularly tight angle and Freedman to his credit slammed it in off his post, he had no chance. I thought he was poor against Boro but played well against Forest (vital save at 2-1 down), Villa and tonight.

I think he’s got to be expecting the shot to go there after the player takes it wider than the six yard box. He’s again dived after the shot and as a former keeper myself I’d be disappointed with that going in against me.

Other than the two goals and a couple of routine catches I didn’t see anything eye catching that he did tonight to warrant him having a good game in particular tonight.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mikkyk on February 19, 2019, 11:48:08 PM
Doesn't seem to save anything remotely difficult, I feel like the oppo are going to score everytime they get a decent shot on target.

Harsh imo, has made a few decent saves in recent games.

Although not an amazing save they had a decent effort at the near post in the second half which he dealt with tonight - it's not like everything goes past him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 19, 2019, 11:49:36 PM
How was he was supposed to cover the whole of the goal, with the scorer seven yards out and unchallenged by defenders?
As others have noted, Dawson was slow to cover the play and SJ was beaten off the post. IMO a good finish, not poor goalkeeping.

Like most keepers. Close the angle down and keep your near post covered, forcing the striker across you. He did neither and gave their player both sides to aim at, and was beaten at his near post.

Also didn’t dive for their penalty which is rule 1 really.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 19, 2019, 11:50:07 PM
The save against Forest when we were 2-1 down was incredible and having played well tonight, at Villa and in our last home game your post is unfair. He played poorly against Boro and I criticised him. It's only reasonable to credit him for his improvement since. We'd kept three clean sheets in a row away from home before tonight. No chance with either goals QPR got.


Really I don't recall you adopting this charitable stance with Sal; I thought the Grabban chance was a very bad miss and was close enough to Sam that he could reasonably expect to stop it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 19, 2019, 11:57:33 PM
I think he’s got to be expecting the shot to go there after the player takes it wider than the six yard box. He’s again dived after the shot and as a former keeper myself I’d be disappointed with that going in against me.

Other than the two goals and a couple of routine catches I didn’t see anything eye catching that he did tonight to warrant him having a good game in particular tonight.
I have the recording playing as I type this, and you are plain wrong. The scorer did not take the ball wide and SJ did NOT dive after the shot. His hand nearly reached the shot, but it was hit far too powerfully for him to stop it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 20, 2019, 12:05:23 AM
I have the recording playing as I type this, and you are plain wrong. The scorer did not take the ball wide and SJ did NOT dive after the shot. His hand nearly reached the shot, but it was hit far too powerfully for him to stop it.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2qvzazo.png)


Looks wider than the six yard box to me. And looks like a keeper rooted to his line leaving both sides of him to aim at being beaten at his near post.

A decent keeper would be closing that angle down and making it much more difficult for the striker to score from there. Like I said, I’d be disappointed if I was him that I was beaten from there at my near post.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 20, 2019, 12:10:00 AM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2qvzazo.png)


Looks wider than the six yard box to me. And looks like a keeper rooted to his line leaving both sides of him to aim at being beaten at his near post.

A decent keeper would be closing that angle down and making it much more difficult for the striker to score from there. Like I said, I’d be disappointed if I was him that I was beaten from there at my near post.
The player reached the ball at that point. He did not "take it wide".
As you obviously have so much experience of top class professional goalkeeping, I bow to your knowledge.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 20, 2019, 12:15:27 AM
The player reached the ball at that point. He did not "take it wide".
As you obviously have so much experience of top class professional goalkeeping, I bow to your knowledge.

Reached the ball after he touched it there you mean.

Regardless, the ball ended up there and the keeper didn’t close the angle down or cover his near post. Hardly top class goalkeeping knowledge that
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 20, 2019, 12:33:17 AM
Reached the ball after he touched it there you mean.

Regardless, the ball ended up there and the keeper didn’t close the angle down or cover his near post. Hardly top class goalkeeping knowledge that
Pity you cannot celebrate a win rather than castigating players or splitting hairs.

Do you still contend he dived after the shot? (if so, we have different recordings of the game.)
And, if you look at your own picture perhaps you will concede there is a very good chance that a shot to SJ's left would have a very high probability of entering the net.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 20, 2019, 12:40:04 AM
TheBrom - I'm incredulous that are you seriously criticising Johnson for not saving Freeman's shot from seven yards out that went in off the post. Sorry, that is ridiculous. It's fine not to rate him or to call out a mistake but to criticise him for that or tonight in any way is insane.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 20, 2019, 07:51:44 AM
Pity you cannot celebrate a win rather than castigating players or splitting hairs.

Do you still contend he dived after the shot? (if so, we have different recordings of the game.)
And, if you look at your own picture perhaps you will concede there is a very good chance that a shot to SJ's left would have a very high probability of entering the net.

I celebrated the win fine. Pity others can’t analyse and accept criticism when it’s justified.

TheBrom - I'm incredulous that are you seriously criticising Johnson for not saving Freeman's shot from seven yards out that went in off the post. Sorry, that is ridiculous. It's fine not to rate him or to call out a mistake but to criticise him for that or tonight in any way is insane.

It’s not insane. It’s another example of poor positioning, reactions and decision making from our keeper who was again beaten at his near post and got no where near the penalty.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 20, 2019, 08:16:57 AM
I celebrated the win fine. Pity others can’t analyse and accept criticism when it’s justified.

It’s not insane. It’s another example of poor positioning, reactions and decision making from our keeper who was again beaten at his near post and got no where near the penalty.

Deary me, what was he supposed to do with the penalty?! He stayed on his feet and gambled the shot would be close enough to get to. All too often keepers commit too early. Your criticising him for not saving their goal from seven yards out and a penalty and calling that justified criticism! That is the definition of insanity. Sorry you’ve lost the plot on this.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 20, 2019, 08:47:25 AM
I celebrated the win fine. Pity others can’t analyse and accept criticism when it’s justified.


It would appear, in relation to last night's game, you are the only poster who thinks that our goalkeeper deserves criticism.
Not saving a penalty is not a crime. ::)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 20, 2019, 08:49:52 AM
I thought Johnstone should've saved the first goal, beaten too easily at his near post, should've stood up stronger.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2019, 10:07:09 AM
I thought Johnstone should've saved the first goal, beaten too easily at his near post, should've stood up stronger.
agree, still worried that any strike on goal especially to bottom corners has him struggling.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tommcneill on February 20, 2019, 10:29:49 AM
For me he should have saved the first and he rightly should be criticised for that I feel

As for the penalty, well its 50/50 isnt it, what about if Freemans penalties this year have been straight down the middle a lot of the time and he's stood on his spot expecting that?

It shouldnt have been a penalty anyway but thats another story
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 20, 2019, 01:57:11 PM
I’m sure if myhill was in goal last night there would be a lot more negativity here about the goals.

As has been stated he had nothing really to do the entire game and when called upon we’ve let in 2 goals again.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 20, 2019, 02:01:22 PM
It would appear, in relation to last night's game, you are the only poster who thinks that our goalkeeper deserves criticism.
Not saving a penalty is not a crime. ::)

For me he should have saved the first and he rightly should be criticised for that I feel

As for the penalty, well its 50/50 isnt it, what about if Freemans penalties this year have been straight down the middle a lot of the time and he's stood on his spot expecting that?

It shouldnt have been a penalty anyway but thats another story

agree, still worried that any strike on goal especially to bottom corners has him struggling.

I thought Johnstone should've saved the first goal, beaten too easily at his near post, should've stood up stronger.

Doesn't seem to save anything remotely difficult, I feel like the oppo are going to score everytime they get a decent shot on target.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: stever60 on February 20, 2019, 02:07:07 PM
And the saves against Forest (that kept us in the game) and Villa?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on February 20, 2019, 02:29:26 PM
It doesn't take a professional goalkeeper to see he should have narrowed the angle for their first goal. He has left far too much of the goal open.

SJ has made a few good saves that have prevented goals, but in my opinion he hasn't done his job effectively enough so far this season. The same could be said for other players, but this thread is about SJ.

As previously stated, he doesn't command his area, he's not proactive in closing the ball down and he could have done better with some of the shots he's let past him.

If we gain promotion and he's still our number one next season we will definitely conceed more goals unless he drastically improves. The PL punishes teams and we've been fortunate that the general standard we've faced hasn't been that good. I've not seen a side yet that has overly impressed me.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on February 20, 2019, 05:14:20 PM
I thought Johnstone should've saved the first goal, beaten too easily at his near post, should've stood up stronger.
I don't know that he should have saved it, but my first reaction is that he went a bit low early, and now looking at it he could maybe have been a step further forward.  But he can't be expected to save a shot smacked from that distance unless it just hits him, if he does it's a great save.  In my opinion he has the makings of a top goalie as he matures, and if he was any better right now he wouldn't be at the Hawthorns   I was my school team u14s goalie, so I should know  ;)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 20, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
I felt he should not of been beaten at the near post, but I wouldn't be too harsh on him, it was a defensive mistake which left us exposed at the back, it was not his mistake and he could have done better, but to criticise him for that would be a little harsh.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on February 21, 2019, 10:57:39 AM
Can't blame him for the first goal but he could have done better. You would certainly expect a more experienced, dare I say, better, keeper (Foster) to keep that out. That being said, I do sense a slight improvement since the new coach came in. He caught at least 2 crosses and saved a shot from outside the box, two areas which he struggles with.
Juries still out for me, but he has age on his side.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on February 21, 2019, 03:00:05 PM
(http://i68.tinypic.com/2qvzazo.png)


Looks wider than the six yard box to me. And looks like a keeper rooted to his line leaving both sides of him to aim at being beaten at his near post.

A decent keeper would be closing that angle down and making it much more difficult for the striker to score from there. Like I said, I’d be disappointed if I was him that I was beaten from there at my near post.
I'd be disappointed if an albion player failed to score from that position.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 21, 2019, 03:06:20 PM
I'd be disappointed if an albion player failed to score from that position.


Across the keeper though surely? Should never get done at your near post by anything outside the 6 yard box.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on February 21, 2019, 03:19:13 PM

Across the keeper though surely? Should never get done at your near post by anything outside the 6 yard box.
I would imagine it's a lot easier to look back at still pictures an say where  the keeper should or shouldn't be. he does in some respect have to take a gamble on his positioning to outguess the player with the ball. if he moves nearer to his near post this just makes it a bigger target to go across the keeper. if he did that do we then criticise him for getting beat at the far post?
I'd have saved because I'm a fat lump.😄
I think he's improved lately especially on crosses and commanding his area although I haven't as yet rated him as an exceptional keeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on February 21, 2019, 03:39:48 PM
Seems ridiculous to criticise the keeper for the first goal, the ball through took the defence out, probably could have done slightly better in attempting to cut it out, and freeman took one touch before putting it in with pace off the post, it hasn’t been slotted past him it’s been hit with pace from fairly close range because poor outfield play allowed the player to get that close. People seem to be looking for things to beat him with, he’s looking like the next Scott Carson at the moment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on February 21, 2019, 03:58:12 PM
I actually think Sam gets quite a lot of stick from some of our fans, most which are unwarranted.

Personally, looking at the other goalkeepers in this league, I don't think theres many/if any I would replace Johnstone with. (when you factor in age etc).

Some fans slate him for his passing out, that's how hes been told to play, some of the goals hes been blamed for tend to come from mistakes in front of him. Johansen for example got caught in position, followed by a pass which completely split our defence which struggled to close down Freeman, resulting in him scoring from close range.

I'm happy hes our number 1 at the moment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on February 21, 2019, 04:33:40 PM
Forgot the pundit, perhaps Jenas, and what he said about Lloris' positioning a few matches ago was interesting. He said about the shots being "right at him" and if you think that then it's credit to the GK because he's got his position right. Any GK who gets beat on his near post and you have to ask questions.

GKs arguably take the most stick in a team, but they need to be able to take it and be strong.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: colinmax on February 21, 2019, 04:55:46 PM
Every goal ever scored would have been saved if the goalie had part of his body between the ball and the goal line.
On that basis SJ might have saved it if he had stood nearer the post but at that range he had no chance to react and what if Freeman had taken advantage of the even bigger gap to SJ's left?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on February 22, 2019, 10:18:03 AM
Every goal ever scored would have been saved if the goalie had part of his body between the ball and the goal line.
On that basis SJ might have saved it if he had stood nearer the post but at that range he had no chance to react and what if Freeman had taken advantage of the even bigger gap to SJ's left?

Scott Carson blows this part of your theory clean out of the water  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on February 23, 2019, 09:14:37 PM
Anyone know why he was time wasting every time he had the ball when we were trailing, for the duration of the match?

He couldn't do anything about their goal, and he did make one good save, but who tells him to keep playing it out from the back and keep us under pressure? It's infuriating and I just want to grab him and shake him until all the minutes I've wasted asking this question fall out of him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Oldbury24 on February 23, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
Anyone know why he was time wasting every time he had the ball when we were trailing, for the duration of the match?

He couldn't do anything about their goal, and he did make one good save, but who tells him to keep playing it out from the back and keep us under pressure? It's infuriating and I just want to grab him and shake him until all the minutes I've wasted asking this question fall out of him.

He's actually looking for a pass, rather than a hoof in the general direction.   Problem is his team mates not finding space and the crowd getting frustrated.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2019, 10:41:12 PM
He's actually looking for a pass, rather than a hoof in the general direction.   Problem is his team mates not finding space and the crowd getting frustrated.


Nothing wrong with launching it and ensuring we compete for the 2nd ball, his current method is not working.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on February 23, 2019, 11:04:42 PM

Nothing wrong with launching it and ensuring we compete for the 2nd ball, his current method is not working.
trouble is if we launch it who's going to win the ball in the air? Rodriguez no chance. Gayle not likely. think we are quite poor in the air, can't recall the last time we scored with an header directly from a set piece .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
trouble is if we launch it who's going to win the ball in the air? Rodriguez no chance. Gayle not likely. think we are quite poor in the air, can't recall the last time we scored with an header directly from a set piece .


No one. As long as we challenge the defender they will either head it out or back into midfield, that is when we need to compete for the 2nd ball. It's got to be better than 10 pointless passes between the back 5 then lose it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Oldbury24 on February 23, 2019, 11:11:32 PM

Nothing wrong with launching it and ensuring we compete for the 2nd ball, his current method is not working.

I would disagree and ask who is going to challenge for the launch..... But TBF an injury time hoof nearly ended with Montero scoring. Its about throwing it in the mixer on occasion I guess and scrapping for the bits and pieces.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2019, 11:18:54 PM
I would disagree and ask who is going to challenge for the launch..... But TBF an injury time hoof nearly ended with Montero scoring. Its about throwing it in the mixer on occasion I guess and scrapping for the bits and pieces.


See my reply to c58.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie38 on February 24, 2019, 02:06:51 AM
I'd ditch him in the summer regardless of the division I don't think he is good enough. Not only is he a poor shot stopper but he doesn't install any confidence in the backline
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 24, 2019, 03:06:47 AM
I'd ditch him in the summer regardless of the division I don't think he is good enough. Not only is he a poor shot stopper but he doesn't install any confidence in the backline
Vice versa?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 24, 2019, 09:09:49 AM

No one. As long as we challenge the defender they will either head it out or back into midfield, that is when we need to compete for the 2nd ball. It's got to be better than 10 pointless passes between the back 5 then lose it.
Exactly
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Andio on March 09, 2019, 06:40:26 PM
Not quite what I was expecting to write this evening, but he gained us that point today. So fairplay to him.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: richjonawba on March 09, 2019, 06:54:13 PM
Not quite what I was expecting to write this evening, but he gained us that point today. So fairplay to him.

Made some decent saves, should surely have saved their goal though. He doesn’t dive, he falls.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Andio on March 09, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
No chance with the goal, a well placed header.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on March 09, 2019, 06:58:25 PM
No chance with the goal, a well placed header.

Disagree, reacted like he had concrete blocks on his feet instead of boots. Should've saved it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Andio on March 09, 2019, 07:01:52 PM
Disagree, reacted like he had concrete blocks on his feet instead of boots. Should've saved it.

That's your opinion and I respect it, but as I said in the after match thread I am still on the fence with him but I refuse to blame him for the goal today having been a keeper myself.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 09, 2019, 07:08:32 PM
I’m sick of people moaning at him for passing it out from the back. It is not his decision, he has been told to do it and it is killing his confidence
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: richjonawba on March 09, 2019, 07:09:30 PM
That's your opinion and I respect it, but as I said in the after match thread I am still on the fence with him but I refuse to blame him for the goal today having been a keeper myself.

In what way does you being a keeper grant you any superior knowledge of whether or not he should’ve saved it? Unless you’ve faced exactly the same shot I don’t see how you have any more information than someone who used to be a centre forward
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbarenno on March 09, 2019, 07:10:59 PM
Not quite what I was expecting to write this evening, but he gained us that point today. So fairplay to him.

100% one of the only positives from the game
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on March 09, 2019, 07:12:09 PM
I’m sick of people moaning at him for passing it out from the back. It is not his decision, he has been told to do it and it is killing his confidence

The problem is that he doesn't have the brain cells or backbone to change it up and not pass out from the back when teams are pressing high in his face.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Andio on March 09, 2019, 08:21:49 PM
In what way does you being a keeper grant you any superior knowledge of whether or not he should’ve saved it? Unless you’ve faced exactly the same shot I don’t see how you have any more information than someone who used to be a centre forward

Well I may not have played at the highest level (I did play at Step 6 of the football pyramid) I've faced shots like that before, sorry for giving my experience from a keepers perspective!  ???
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on March 09, 2019, 10:36:27 PM
Posted before that I don't expect him to stop anything low to right or left of him as it takes him half an hour to dive. Bond should be given a chance as there is nothing between them.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 09, 2019, 10:38:34 PM
Posted before that I don't expect him to stop anything low to right or left of him as it takes him half an hour to dive. Bond should be given a chance as there is nothing between them.
I also concur.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 10, 2019, 07:45:57 AM
Have to admit I'm starting to think Jacko has a valid point or two
Doesn't command his area or come for crosses
Not a terribly good (agile?) shot/header stopper 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: elkiellis on March 11, 2019, 09:34:10 PM
The Ipswich goal,Foster would have saved that,so would quite a few top class keepers,im still on the fence as he has made some decent saves this season,and has to persist presumably under orders with the pinball around the back 3 or 4 or 5 tactic,which just un nerves everyone
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: adamw1109 on March 13, 2019, 10:27:39 PM
Johnstone out!

How dare he make saves and keep a clean sheet!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 10:32:01 PM
2 excellent saves tonight. Well done Sam. More of that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on March 13, 2019, 10:32:16 PM
Wow. An absolutely stunning display of goalkeeping from SJ.
I hope that finally shuts up all the Johnstone moaners.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on March 13, 2019, 10:43:05 PM
Wow. An absolutely stunning display of goalkeeping from SJ.
I hope that finally shuts up all the Johnstone moaners.

He was excellent tonight, that doesn't mean he's not been poor in other matches or might be in future.  If he plays poorly he should get criticised, if he plays well he should be complimented. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 13, 2019, 10:43:20 PM
Lad was brilliant. Hopefully this stops the moaning about him for a while. Amazing the difference when he isn't told to play like Neuer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on March 13, 2019, 10:45:12 PM
He was excellent tonight, that doesn't mean he's not been poor in other matches or might be in future.  If he plays poorly he should get criticised, if he plays well he should be complimented.
The critisisms he has been receiving on this forum have been totally out of proportion, in comparison to others.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 10:46:54 PM
The critisisms he has been receiving on this forum have been totally out of proportion, in comparison to others.


They haven't,  and tonight's praise appears to be in danger of going overboard...
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on March 13, 2019, 10:47:57 PM
All about opinions i guess. You think they haven't.  I think they have.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 13, 2019, 10:55:06 PM
As I have said several times, he is not as good as Foster overall, but our problems do not lie with Johnstone, he is a decent keeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smosher34 on March 13, 2019, 10:57:31 PM
Best game for me in a west brom Jersey.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 10:58:51 PM
Coincidence that his best performance for us comes at the same time when he doesn’t have the pressure of constantly playing it out from the back.

Easily made 3/4 top saves. Good work Sam, deserves his clean sheet.

Special mention to Hegazi too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ComebackStrodds on March 13, 2019, 10:59:20 PM
He did what he’s paid to do tonight, nothing more, nothing less. It’s only because he’s been so terrible it feels like a small miracle. Fair play to him though nonetheless
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 11:00:44 PM
He did what he’s paid to do tonight, nothing more, nothing less. It’s only because he’s been so terrible it feels like a small miracle. Fair play to him though nonetheless


Don't agree, 2 of the saves he had no right to make.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on March 13, 2019, 11:01:45 PM
I’ve been saying for some weeks now that if he’s allowed to just worry about being a goalkeeper and not about being a ball player we’ll see a different keeper, hopefully getting rid of this passingmout from the back will see the defence and Johnstone both look far more comfortable and confident
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on March 13, 2019, 11:03:57 PM
He did what he’s paid to do tonight, nothing more, nothing less. It’s only because he’s been so terrible it feels like a small miracle. Fair play to him though nonetheless

Totally disagree.

Can think of 2 saves that would 90% of the time find the back of the night. His save from the header in first half was top class too.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on March 13, 2019, 11:06:23 PM
He was magnificent tonight absolutely magnificent.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on March 13, 2019, 11:07:01 PM
He did what he’s paid to do tonight, nothing more, nothing less. It’s only because he’s been so terrible it feels like a small miracle. Fair play to him though nonetheless
Very harsh imo.
Our major deficiencies lie elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: cads_ap_albion on March 13, 2019, 11:08:11 PM
2 excellent saves tonight. Well done Sam. More of that.

Four good saves, of which two were excellent. Good distribution too.

Thought he was lucky in first save as he was rooted to the line. However second half save when coming across goal line was an absolute superb save.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 13, 2019, 11:11:46 PM
Four good saves, of which two were excellent. Good distribution too.

Thought he was lucky in first save as he was rooted to the line. However second half save when coming across goal line was an absolute superb save.


I only consider there to be 2 saves he wouldn't be expected to make. It's what has been missing from his game all season. Digging us out when he has no right to. Always one of the main attributes of a good goalkeeper. Hopefully he can build on it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on March 13, 2019, 11:14:11 PM
 Excellent display. Pleased for him
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on March 13, 2019, 11:18:32 PM
Best performance in an Albion shirt to date from Johnstone and rightly deserves some praise this evening.

Let's not go overboard though, we need him to put in performances like tonight consistently.

Coincidence that his best performance for us comes at the same time when he doesn’t have the pressure of constantly playing it out from the back.

Easily made 3/4 top saves. Good work Sam, deserves his clean sheet.

Definitely noted. Seemed more comfortable.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on March 13, 2019, 11:20:05 PM
Take a bow Mr Johnstone.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 13, 2019, 11:24:13 PM
Have to admit I'm starting to think Jacko has a valid point or two
Doesn't command his area or come for crosses
Not a terribly good (agile?) shot/header stopper
I would like to make an unqualified apology to Sam Johnstone and say he made some superlative stops today and came out for crosses and even punched one away
Well done Sam
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on March 13, 2019, 11:29:14 PM
Made some great saves today and earned us the points and clean sheet. No need for the 'where are all the moaners', 'that'll shut them up' posts etc though.

He was rightly criticised when playing poorly and rightly praised tonight when playing well.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 13, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
I’ve been saying for some weeks now that if he’s allowed to just worry about being a goalkeeper and not about being a ball player we’ll see a different keeper, hopefully getting rid of this passingmout from the back will see the defence and Johnstone both look far more comfortable and confident
At one point he did a Beckenbauer esque sweepers job complete with a pass to a teammate
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on March 13, 2019, 11:56:01 PM
No need for the 'where are all the moaners', 'that'll shut them up' posts etc though.
What? All one of them. ;D
Needs to watch his near post though.... ;)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on March 14, 2019, 12:04:48 AM
Played a stunning game tonight, save after save to keep us in it.
Looked far more confident without all the tippy-tappy passes to the defenders.
Class act tonight!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on March 14, 2019, 12:06:43 AM
Well here's one of the moaners did what he is paid to do pity he hasn'tt done it  all season because if he had Darren Moore would still have a job. Same goes for Brunt if he did what he is paid to do instead of moaning they can't play that way. IMO both of them are a waste of space and I didn't clap or cheer either of them. They have let down the ex Manager and the fans but show they can play if they want disgusting.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on March 14, 2019, 12:32:49 AM
Best all round performance in a Albion shirt to date, what a lot of us have thought he needed to improve on he did tonight, MOTM
Well done SJ 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on March 14, 2019, 06:37:18 AM
Kept us in the game last night with some very important saves.
Hope his improvement continues if we can stay focused and ditch the tippy tappy stuff playing out from the back.
Maybe he's more comfortable just being a goalkeeper instead of playing the sweeper roll as well.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbarenno on March 14, 2019, 06:52:50 AM
Stop that rubbish playing out from the back and he looks so much better. It was never his fault in the first place, he was being told to play like that . How would foster of fared playing out like that? He had it easy by being told to just lump it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on March 14, 2019, 07:38:15 AM
3 or 4 fantastic reaction saves, makes himself big like Schmeichel (Peter)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ronnie_allen on March 14, 2019, 09:38:23 AM
Great game and fantastic saves. Man of the match for sure from me.
Apart from saves; while not needing to play ball always directly out; was still happy to set up counters such as a quick throw over head of a Swansea player to Harper. Also; I haven't been at many games but believe one criticism was that he wasn't vocal and communicating with back-four (or could be mixing up with general command of box). One good thing with the single long camera was could see a lot of items off the player in possession or what is happening during stops rather than replays or manager shots. At times; he seemed to be loudly and firmly communicating with defenders which was good to see. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: VANDERLEI on March 14, 2019, 09:50:39 AM
He was superb last night. Amazing what happens when you stop with the defensively suicidal stuff. Looked a completely different player.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on March 15, 2019, 12:24:29 AM
Well here's one of the moaners did what he is paid to do pity he hasn'tt done it  all season because if he had Darren Moore would still have a job. Same goes for Brunt if he did what he is paid to do instead of moaning they can't play that way. IMO both of them are a waste of space and I didn't clap or cheer either of them. They have let down the ex Manager and the fans but show they can play if they want disgusting.
You missed the chance to complain that he dived the wrong way for the penalty..... ::)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on March 15, 2019, 10:50:50 AM
Best performance of the season by an absolute mile.

More of the same please Sam  8) .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on March 15, 2019, 10:58:35 AM
You missed the chance to complain that he dived the wrong way for the penalty..... ::)


There was no right or wrong way to dive for that penalty  :D.

Wednesday was the first time all season in the second half I thought Swansea were going to have to do something extra special to score. That's the feeling you want your goalkeeper to give you.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 15, 2019, 10:57:22 PM
Made some great saves today and earned us the points and clean sheet. No need for the 'where are all the moaners', 'that'll shut them up' posts etc though.

He was rightly criticised when playing poorly and rightly praised tonight when playing well.
Great post
Too much division on here, people should be able to critic and applaud
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on March 15, 2019, 11:21:31 PM
Support the guy, he was excellent on Wednesday
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on March 16, 2019, 11:40:27 AM
Support the guy, he was excellent on Wednesday
If Wednesday was the first match of the season then the post makes a bit more sense,I don’t know him,I have no grudge against him...but as a professional goalkeeper who is no longer a teenager (although people keep saying he’s young) he has not had a good season
At times he’s been quite bad ,does not mean I am anti him
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on March 16, 2019, 06:18:42 PM
2nd fantastic performance in a week. Well done to Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:20:30 PM
2nd fantastic performance in a week. Well done to Sam.


Yup, one very decent save from a free kick near the end of the first half and looked far more solid. Keep going Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on March 16, 2019, 06:43:00 PM
Not being sarcastic now, but is it coincidence that his performances since DM and GJ have gone has seen a massive improvement? In virtually every match prior to Wednesday he looked shaky and unsure.

His reactions and judgements seem to be miles better.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 16, 2019, 06:48:18 PM
Not being sarcastic now, but is it coincidence that his performances since DM and GJ have gone has seen a massive improvement? In virtually every match prior to Wednesday he looked shaky and unsure.

His reactions and judgements seem to be miles better.


It must be a weight off him to only need to concentrate on goal-keeping.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 06:27:37 PM
Well done Sam, made it into the Championship Team of the Week

@samjohnstone50
@AndyYids
Jack O'Connell
Ben Davies
Bruno Martins Indi
Jarrod Bowen
Kenny McClean
@jmcginn7
Michael Jacobs
Steven Fletcher
Joe Garner

Source: https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/7/England-Championship
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Sted1990 on April 10, 2019, 06:42:46 PM
Look with him in goal we simply cannot be promoted. The defending last night was awful but the 2nd and 3rd goal should have been saved and don’t get me started about the Millwall opener.
I hope to be proved wrong but over a season it’s not good enough, such a shame as he seemed to of turned a corner.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2019, 06:46:12 PM
Yup accident waiting to happen.


I knew we'd miss Foster but not this much.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 10, 2019, 06:52:59 PM
We have a good replacement in Bond.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on April 10, 2019, 07:08:08 PM
Lads gone back to the bad old ways, it doesnt make sense.

Hope we can sell him in the summer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: royhan on April 10, 2019, 08:22:14 PM
Bond definitely deserves to start the next game. After all, Johnstone hasn’t exactly distinguished himself this season. Bond, on the other hand, has looked  confident in the matches he has played.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on April 10, 2019, 08:36:31 PM
I said after watching him in the friendlies he wasn't going to be up to it. He as done nothing to prove me wrong. Get Bond in.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on April 10, 2019, 08:52:26 PM
Apart from the two games after DM went, he's offered nothing and I think he's cost us a few points. I'm not even convinced he's championship standard.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on April 10, 2019, 08:52:53 PM
I'd take him out for his own good , he has shown good things since signing no doubt and is still a decent age but how many soft goals has he been involved in ? . Not all his fault as they are told to play like it but I'd start Bond on Saturday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
I'd take him out for his own good , he has shown good things since signing no doubt and is still a decent age but how many soft goals has he been involved in ? . Not all his fault as they are told to play like it but I'd start Bond on Saturday.


According to James Shan we were told to take no risks at the back on Tuesday night so if that's the case it was Johnstone's fault to play that pass that lead to their opener. His and Livermore's.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on April 10, 2019, 10:08:11 PM
I'd take him out for his own good.............

I know he's dodgy but shooting him seems a tad excessive even for me, fair play for the proactive sentiment though  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on April 11, 2019, 12:25:39 AM

According to James Shan we were told to take no risks at the back on Tuesday night so if that's the case it was Johnstone's fault to play that pass that lead to their opener. His and Livermore's.
disobeying coaches instructions deserves a few games on the bench.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 11, 2019, 06:28:31 AM
Needs dropping to the bench. He rarely comes for crosses, corners and is frozen to his line too often. The first goal against Millwall was awful and against Bristol City he was even worse. IMO he's just average.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on April 11, 2019, 08:58:18 AM
Cannot start on Saturday, he's like a sh!tting dog at the minute and is making an already poor back 4 even worse.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2019, 12:47:15 PM
I'm not sure whether we're allowed to call him thick but he surely cannot be far off.

I think from the outset on Tuesday most would understand that Bristol City are a very energetic side who would look to press in packs when the opposition have possession.

To be a minute into the game, with a no risks approach, to play a pass to a cumbersome Livermore with at least three players hounding down on him is so ridiculous it warrants being called thick.

Mind boggling stupidity.

It is almost like he and others are on the pitch to make up the numbers. There seems to be no game head, no understanding of the opposition, no understanding of his own players.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on April 11, 2019, 02:47:24 PM
In summary........

I'm not sure whether we're allowed to call him thick but he surely cannot be far off. .......so ridiculous it warrants being called thick.........Mind boggling stupidity............no game head, no understanding of the opposition, no understanding of his own players.

...... you're most welcome  ;) .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on April 11, 2019, 02:49:30 PM
In summary........

...... you're most welcome  ;) .

not a fan then Liam ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 11, 2019, 11:01:30 PM
not a fan then Liam ?

No. Not really.

Expected much better of him to be honest

I don’t believe there is one good or outstanding aspect of his game
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2019, 11:38:11 PM
No. Not really.

Expected much better of him to be honest

I don’t believe there is one good or outstanding aspect of his game


I concur, also there are several aspects of his game that are very poor. Crosses and long shots to name two.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on April 12, 2019, 12:16:28 AM

I concur, also there are several aspects of his game that are very poor. Crosses and long shots to name two.

As well as closing down when strikers approach, lack of communication, inability to take control of his 18 yard box and lack of common sense to add a few more.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tommcneill on April 12, 2019, 09:17:03 AM
Not really that impressed by him.

He's ok but thats about it...hes ok

He makes some good saves at times but his all round game is pretty poor for me
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 12, 2019, 09:45:07 AM
I was really excited when we signed him as his stats from the last couple of seasons were very good, not just the amount of clean sheets as that relies on defenders too, but things like percentage of shots saved, distribution etc.

I've been so disappointed by him, he looked better when Shan first came in but other than that he has looked ropey for most of the season.

Time to give Bond the gloves I think.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2019, 09:50:42 AM
I was really excited when we signed him as his stats from the last couple of seasons were very good, not just the amount of clean sheets as that relies on defenders too, but things like percentage of shots saved, distribution etc.

I've been so disappointed by him, he looked better when Shan first came in but other than that he has looked ropey for most of the season.

Time to give Bond the gloves I think.

If Bond gets the gloves here's hoping he's up to life in the mixer and doesn't leave us as shaken and stirred as Mr Johnstone......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on April 12, 2019, 10:58:01 AM
If Bond gets the gloves here's hoping he's up to life in the mixer and doesn't leave us as shaken and stirred as Mr Johnstone......
Would be nice for Bond to get a run of games, rather than the odd job here and there.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2019, 01:15:54 PM
Would be nice for Bond to get a run of games, rather than the odd job here and there.

It's all in the Jaws of fate.......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: divinewind on April 12, 2019, 03:03:59 PM
It makes no difference who is in goal with that defence in front of you. I would say his nerves are shot now, so give Bond a go, but if we keep defending like we do another keeper will be ruined.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on April 12, 2019, 03:12:56 PM
It's all in the Jaws of fate.......
Hope he has more luck than Cech had when that blow felled him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2019, 04:32:08 PM
Hope he has more luck than Cech had when that blow felled him.

Must've scared the living daylights out of him, took one right in the Necros.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on April 19, 2019, 11:34:59 PM
I didn't go today, but watched the goals. Surely he has to be dropped now for Bond? I was shocked but what I saw, he literally was a paper bag. Absolutely awful performance, should have saved both Hull goals comfortably. If we don't drop him how can we win the play offs? Can't believe we paid £5m for him, what a poor signing it has turned out to be.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 19, 2019, 11:37:39 PM
I didn't go today, but watched the goals. Surely he has to be dropped now for Bond? I was shocked but what I saw, he literally was a paper bag. Absolutely awful performance, should have saved both Hull goals comfortably. If we don't drop him how can we win the play offs? Can't believe we paid £5m for him, what a poor signing it has turned out to be.


Why not? Get your backside up there.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zac on April 19, 2019, 11:51:58 PM
Granted he should have done better with the goals but the sarcastic jeering when he caught the ball wont help things.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 20, 2019, 12:00:47 AM
Granted he should have done better with the goals but the sarcastic jeering when he caught the ball wont help things.


It's just a reaction to his shitness to be fair. Fans react to situations.

Johnstone has cost us double figure goals this season. Put it this way if we still had Foster we'd be at least six points better off. AT LEAST.

I'm not interested in his fragile feelings to be fair. If he can't handle it he's not good enough so get him out of the team.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zac on April 20, 2019, 12:20:25 AM

It's just a reaction to his shitness to be fair. Fans react to situations.

Johnstone has cost us double figure goals this season. Put it this way if we still had Foster we'd be at least six points better off. AT LEAST.


I'm not interested in his fragile feelings to be fair. If he can't handle it he's not good enough so get him out of the team.

My point is that it creates more unnecessary pressure on him. The sarcastic jeering is only going to have a negative effect on him and the rest of the team.

I dont disgaree he has cost us points this season but he is currently the best we have.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on April 20, 2019, 12:36:40 AM
He was poor; for the umpteenth time; again today.

First shot seemed to go through him like he's not there and the second one seemed to me to be going wide/outside post maybe and he ended up clawing it in. Distribution was poor again. Didn't come for almost any crosses, again, Until the one where he got sarcastically cheered by the Smethwick end and there were a couple of instances where he could quite easily have stopped a corner from being conceded just by opening his mouth or coming to collect.

He had his purple patch of games about 2 months ago, since then been awful again.

Can't believe we paid £5m for him, what a poor signing it has turned out to be.

Neither can I.

Drop him.
Bond In.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on April 20, 2019, 12:43:31 AM
Take it all back. He is awful. Get rid no matter what.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boingboing1989 on April 20, 2019, 06:03:57 AM
Thought the first one was a good strike and the second he should of done a lot lot better with but having just watched back the highlights I am absolutely appalled. The first one is one of the strangest dives i've ever seen, it's like he doesn't even use his hands and the second is just as awful.

I thought he'd turned a corner after DM's exit but since Milwall he has regressed back to the norm, poor shot stopper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jamesh_91 on April 20, 2019, 08:17:14 AM
He is fantastic as a close range shot stopper when he just relies on his reflexes but his long-range shot stopping is somewhere that his game really needs to improve. It seems like when he has a bit more time to think about it he doesn't get down fast enough or makes a mistake. The ones I can think of are Hull, Millwall and Forest (away).

People get on his back for his distribution but I think that's unfair. Can you remember how many times Ben Foster used to shank the ball out for a throw in or failed to put the ball anywhere near Rondon/Dawson/Brunt. I would say Johnstone with his feet is actually pretty good at this level and is definitely an improvement on Foster.

I would like him to command his box a bit more but he has improved in this aspect and at least the defenders know where they stand on this point.

Now that our play off place is pretty much secure and we will likely rest Gayle, Brunt, Gibbs on Monday why not give Sam a rest as well to get his head straight.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mo on April 20, 2019, 09:05:44 AM
Johnstone is getting criticised for both goals and rightly so he was poor on both but I have yet to see it mentioned how much space Hull had to play in on our left side for both goals.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jamesh_91 on April 20, 2019, 09:30:38 AM
Johnstone is getting criticised for both goals and rightly so he was poor on both but I have yet to see it mentioned how much space Hull had to play in on our left side for both goals.

Complete due to the worst player on the pitch yesterday for the first - Rekeem Harper. Pressed a ball on the half way line that was never there to be won. Opposition then just ghosted away from him and left a 2 on 1 situation for Gibbs.

It's a shame that isn't shown on the highlights in the build up which would make it apparent why he had so much space.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: overseas baggie on April 20, 2019, 10:08:23 AM
He is fantastic as a close range shot stopper when he just relies on his reflexes but his long-range shot stopping is somewhere that his game really needs to improve. It seems like when he has a bit more time to think about it he doesn't get down fast enough or makes a mistake. The ones I can think of are Hull, Millwall and Forest (away).

People get on his back for his distribution but I think that's unfair. Can you remember how many times Ben Foster used to shank the ball out for a throw in or failed to put the ball anywhere near Rondon/Dawson/Brunt. I would say Johnstone with his feet is actually pretty good at this level and is definitely an improvement on Foster.

I would like him to command his box a bit more but he has improved in this aspect and at least the defenders know where they stand on this point.

Now that our play off place is pretty much secure and we will likely rest Gayle, Brunt, Gibbs on Monday why not give Sam a rest as well to get his head straight.

I’m not sure that “resting” SJ will in any way help to get his head straight.

I’m also not sure that we should be giving up on automatic promotion quite yet, with Leeds and Blades both faltering and with tough games to go. We obviously have to win our last 3 and I wouldn’t bet against us doing that.


Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jamesh_91 on April 20, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
I’m not sure that “resting” SJ will in any way help to get his head straight.

I’m also not sure that we should be giving up on automatic promotion quite yet, with Leeds and Blades both faltering and with tough games to go. We obviously have to win our last 3 and I wouldn’t bet against us doing that.

I do agree with you on that front. I think we have a real shot at catching Leeds. Sheff U however won't falter. They have the 2nd best defence in the league so that will allow them to win at least one of the last 3 and their GD is superior to ours.

I think catching Leeds would be a massive bonus in terms of avoiding the Villa though.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbawill on April 20, 2019, 12:53:18 PM
He is fantastic as a close range shot stopper when he just relies on his reflexes but his long-range shot stopping is somewhere that his game really needs to improve. It seems like when he has a bit more time to think about it he doesn't get down fast enough or makes a mistake. The ones I can think of are Hull, Millwall and Forest (away).

Disagree with his close range shot stopping being good - Bristol City last week showed he's pretty poor there too. He's been poor in almost every aspect of goalkeeping for the vast majority of the season. I really hope he can find some form between now and May because any team hoping to go up via the playoffs will rely on their keeper at some point.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on April 20, 2019, 05:32:52 PM
Having witnessed Sam's attempts to save both goals yesterday I can only assume he's developed an allergy to footballs.

#prayforSam

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Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 20, 2019, 05:56:11 PM
Woeful yesterday - a really poor goalkeeper.

He needs taking out the firing line because it was blinding obvious in the second half that the fans are turning with their sarcastic jeering
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on April 20, 2019, 06:08:16 PM
Woeful yesterday - a really poor goalkeeper.

He needs taking out the firing line because it was blinding obvious in the second half that the fans are turning with their sarcastic jeering

Yes reminiscent of Scott Carson. The fans drove him out of the club!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on April 20, 2019, 06:08:25 PM
Woeful yesterday - a really poor goalkeeper.

He needs taking out the firing line because it was blinding obvious in the second half that the fans are turning with their sarcastic jeering
I remember when he signed, you thought he was a pretty good signing. Have you changed your mind or do you think he is just off form? If the latter, I'm interested if you think it's just a confidence issue or more a coaching issue?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on April 20, 2019, 06:20:35 PM
I remember when he signed, you thought he was a pretty good signing. Have you changed your mind or do you think he is just off form? If the latter, I'm interested if you think it's just a confidence issue or more a coaching issue?

A decent keeper doesn't need coaching to make basic saves. He's just a very poor GK. No mystery to it. I'm still baffled by what he was doing for the two Hull goals yesterday and the Millwall goal a couple of weeks back was also pitiful. Bond should come in but I don't think the coaching staff are prepared to drop him which leaves our hopes of winning the play off slim.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on April 20, 2019, 06:22:15 PM
Yes reminiscent of Scott Carson. The fans drove him out of the club!

Carson was a miles better keeper than Johnston.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 20, 2019, 06:26:46 PM
To cover a few points on here

"He's the best we have so back him"
No he is not Bond looks very much more assured

"We will rest others on Monday so rest him"
No, I actually thought we should be looking at resting players now, but we never really thought Leeds would lose to Wigan, maximum pressure and maximum effort, I would however take SJ out of the team

"Sarcastic cheering won't help"
Whilst I really try to back our guys throughout, I can't say the cheering was unwarranted , the way he just let the previous 2 balls go across the 6 yard box with not a murmur of ownership was nothing short of disgraceful for a professional

Right now I'd have bond, myhill, Morison ,Dawson , in goal ahead of him, he is that bad ..
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zac on April 20, 2019, 06:57:04 PM
To cover a few points on here

"He's the best we have so back him"
No he is not Bond looks very much more assured

"We will rest others on Monday so rest him"
No, I actually thought we should be looking at resting players now, but we never really thought Leeds would lose to Wigan, maximum pressure and maximum effort, I would however take SJ out of the team

"Sarcastic cheering won't help"
Whilst I really try to back our guys throughout, I can't say the cheering was unwarranted , the way he just let the previous 2 balls go across the 6 yard box with not a murmur of ownership was nothing short of disgraceful for a professional

Right now I'd have bond, myhill, Morison ,Dawson , in goal ahead of him, he is that bad ..

He is not going to get dropped for either backup keeper and to be honest i dont think either are an improvement. He kept 20+ clean sheets for Villa last year, has he just turned rubbish overnight? Were going to need everyone at their best for the play offs so lets try not to kill the confidence of our number one.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 20, 2019, 07:28:59 PM
He is not going to get dropped for either backup keeper and to be honest i dont think either are an improvement. He kept 20+ clean sheets for Villa last year, has he just turned rubbish overnight? Were going to need everyone at their best for the play offs so lets try not to kill the confidence of our number one.
And Diego Lugano DID have some good games for Argentina

No he hasn't turned rubbish overnight, he has been poor (that's polite) all season , right now if it went to a vote I'm confident over 50% would want a change , do you think he's playing well?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on April 20, 2019, 07:38:58 PM
And Diego Lugano DID have some good games for Argentina

No he hasn't turned rubbish overnight, he has been poor (that's polite) all season , right now if it went to a vote I'm confident over 50% would want a change , do you think he's playing well?

Lugano is Uruguayan!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zac on April 20, 2019, 07:44:34 PM
And Diego Lugano DID have some good games for Argentina

No he hasn't turned rubbish overnight, he has been poor (that's polite) all season , right now if it went to a vote I'm confident over 50% would want a change , do you think he's playing well?

He didnt have any good games for Argentina because he played for Uruguay but its completely irrelevant anyway. He kept 22 clean sheets over a whole season so its hardly comparable to someone having a good few games.

Do i think hes been good lately? No i dont but he certainly isnt helped by the players infront of him. Our other options are Myhill who i dont think has even played this season or Bond who has had a couple of good cup games but has not played regularly at this level. We are better to stick with Sam and reassess in the summer if the new management team dont think he is up to scratch.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on April 20, 2019, 08:34:41 PM
But Bond hasnt really put a foot wrong yet.  Johnstone has been poor.  We can complain about the defence all we like but he should have made two routine saves on Friday.  I am quick enough to criticise forwards for not burying clear goal scoring chances regardless of the team behind them, this is just the goal keeper equilavent.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: elkiellis on April 20, 2019, 09:39:56 PM
Time to give Bond a chance the first goal yesterday was a routine save ,nice height  quite close to him,never seen a dive like that before,the 2nd was a bit flukey but still savable
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 20, 2019, 09:41:54 PM
He didnt have any good games for Argentina because he played for Uruguay but its completely irrelevant anyway. He kept 22 clean sheets over a whole season so its hardly comparable to someone having a good few games.

Do i think hes been good lately? No i dont but he certainly isnt helped by the players infront of him. Our other options are Myhill who i dont think has even played this season or Bond who has had a couple of good cup games but has not played regularly at this level. We are better to stick with Sam and reassess in the summer if the new management team dont think he is up to scratch.
The other Lugano 😂
So at which point would you drop him, tell me what he has to do to come out of the team ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: stubba on April 20, 2019, 09:48:36 PM
Been spoilt having Ben foster for several years, but I’ve not been impressed by SJ from day one, bang average to be fair, not sure Bond is any better either.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smosher34 on April 20, 2019, 09:57:44 PM
I watched Bond in the cup matches and looked alot better keeper. Johnson has been an awful signing.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zac on April 20, 2019, 11:48:34 PM
The other Lugano 😂
So at which point would you drop him, tell me what he has to do to come out of the team ?

I would leave him in goal for the rest of the season now and leave it to the new management team to decide next year whether or not hes good enough.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 21, 2019, 12:53:14 AM
I would leave him in goal for the rest of the season now and leave it to the new management team to decide next year whether or not hes good enough.


So when he chucks 2 in against Villa and we crash out of the play-offs? Where has this incomprehensible loyalty from yourself come from?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 21, 2019, 01:36:14 AM
What little I’ve seen of Bond, he seemed calm and assured. I’ve viewed the first goal on Friday numerous times and still can’t fathom out what the keeper was trying to do. If the ball was moving, why did he opt to save it with one hand instead of both? As for the second one, I’ve still no idea what really happened without a different angle to view it from.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 21, 2019, 06:04:56 AM
Any one got links to the two goals he let in?

I've only got me real time at the match memory to work with
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on April 21, 2019, 06:29:14 AM
Any one got links to the two goals he let in?

I've only got me real time at the match memory to work with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvTLlGuJkcU
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: royhan on April 21, 2019, 07:03:27 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvTLlGuJkcU

You can’t argue with this - two goals he should have prevented
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on April 21, 2019, 08:45:17 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvTLlGuJkcU

Thanks for the link.

My gran could have saved those.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggiejohn on April 21, 2019, 08:45:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvTLlGuJkcU

For both goals he's covering his near post.

If he comes out another step, he saves both, but he then risks being lobbed.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 21, 2019, 08:53:37 AM
I remember when he signed, you thought he was a pretty good signing. Have you changed your mind or do you think he is just off form? If the latter, I'm interested if you think it's just a confidence issue or more a coaching issue?

In the summer I had gone off anecdotes from Villa supporting friends who stated he was a good keeper. His record at Villa seemed to suggest that he was a reasonable keeper in this division. Certainly his age allows for improvement.

However I was wrong

What I have seen with my own eyes is a poor goalkeeper with no stand out ability to his game. His distribution is poor, he does not command his area, he’s weak on crosses and his shot saving ability leaves a lot to be desired. I think more importantly there is also a big issues with angles, knowing when to close down the space etc, positioning

I am not sure whether that’s a coaching fault from our point of view as those weaknesses are pretty fundamental. I think Johnstone has shown no improvement throughout the season which is concerning. Having three keeper coaches with differing ideas does not help either - continuity is needed

More worryingly, his confidence now looks shot. A goalkeeper with no confidence is a dead man walking.


Age will not correct those issues.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on April 21, 2019, 08:57:51 AM
I'd have dropped him for Bond weeks ago , too many goals he should have done better on . Too many decent games followed by poor ones for me , I will add he hasn't been helped by some awful defending in front of him at times this season but when you need him to dig you out of a hole its missing .
Its probably too late to drop him now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 21, 2019, 09:00:48 AM

So when he chucks 2 in against Villa and we crash out of the play-offs? Where has this incomprehensible loyalty from yourself come from?
This is Avery good point, should he be responsible for us losing to them with some sort of obvious howler, it could signal the end of his career it would be that bad .
Sometimes cruel to be kind, NOW is the time for him to come out of the team
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on April 21, 2019, 09:06:32 AM
For both goals he's covering his near post.

If he comes out another step, he saves both, but he then risks being lobbed.

He could not have been closer to the first one without touching it.......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 21, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
In the summer I had gone off anecdotes from Villa supporting friends who stated he was a good keeper. His record at Villa seemed to suggest that he was a reasonable keeper in this division. Certainly his age allows for improvement.

However I was wrong

What I have seen with my own eyes is a poor goalkeeper with no stand out ability to his game. His distribution is poor, he does not command his area, he’s weak on crosses and his shot saving ability leaves a lot to be desired. I think more importantly there is also a big issues with angles, knowing when to close down the space etc, positioning

I am not sure whether that’s a coaching fault from our point of view as those weaknesses are pretty fundamental. I think Johnstone has shown no improvement throughout the season which is concerning. Having three keeper coaches with differing ideas does not help either - continuity is needed

More worryingly, his confidence now looks shot. A goalkeeper with no confidence is a dead man walking.


Age will not correct those issues.
We got taken to the cleaners by the vile lot.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on April 21, 2019, 10:55:20 AM
We didn’t buy him from Villa.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 21, 2019, 11:00:49 AM
For both goals he's covering his near post.

If he comes out another step, he saves both, but he then risks being lobbed.

The only way he would have been lobbed for the first would be if he was kneeling down, there was no height on that ball at all, the second he flaps at a no pressure cross.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on April 21, 2019, 12:15:50 PM
What little I’ve seen of Bond, he seemed calm and assured. I’ve viewed the first goal on Friday numerous times and still can’t fathom out what the keeper was trying to do. If the ball was moving, why did he opt to save it with one hand instead of both? As for the second one, I’ve still no idea what really happened without a different angle to view it from.

My thoughts too. Why not use both hands.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on April 21, 2019, 01:07:08 PM
This a very difficult, and not what we need.  Drop him or keep him, either way we'll have a goalie under huge pressure.  My feeling is Shan will probably stick.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 21, 2019, 04:40:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvTLlGuJkcU
Cheers me amigo
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on April 21, 2019, 05:47:57 PM
Serious question, does anyone know if he wears contact lenses?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zac on April 21, 2019, 06:31:51 PM

So when he chucks 2 in against Villa and we crash out of the play-offs? Where has this incomprehensible loyalty from yourself come from?

You dont know how hes going to perform against Villa. How do we know Brunt wont fall over and give Abraham the ball?

It's got nothing to do with loyalty its just common sense. Dropping him now will achieve nothing but killing his confidence and putting more pressure on his replacement.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on April 21, 2019, 07:12:32 PM
I'd rather Bond come in for a few games, even if SJ returned for the play offs. He's been dodgy all season and if he lets us down in the play offs then I think the fans who have been on the fence will turn and he will end up like Karious with Liverpool.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on April 21, 2019, 08:47:22 PM
having seen them for the 1st time today that first Hull goal is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on April 21, 2019, 09:07:55 PM
having seen them for the 1st time today that first Hull goal is ridiculous.

Indefensible isn’t it? Harder to let it in than save it. He was in line with the ball. Definitely needs to be dropped. We cannot have a paper bag in goal at this point of the season. For whatever reason he’s lost the plot and must be benched.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 21, 2019, 09:38:46 PM
Indefensible isn’t it? Harder to let it in than save it. He was in line with the ball. Definitely needs to be dropped. We cannot have a paper bag in goal at this point of the season. For whatever reason he’s lost the plot and must be benched.

Second goal I agree he could have done better with.  The first goal was a screamer, which isn’t clear from the video.  No-one would have stopped it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 21, 2019, 09:41:18 PM
Second goal I agree he could have done better with.  The first goal was a screamer, which isn’t clear from the video.  No-one would have stopped it.


You're joking. Any decent keeper would've stopped it. Awful goalkeeping.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 21, 2019, 10:13:54 PM
If people notice... their Goalkeeper  was at fault with all three of ours !
Goalies ay...who'd love em .  :)


Who cares about opposition goalkeepers? They are not our problem. We need to look after ourselves. We need to be better than the rest not just as ****.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 21, 2019, 10:38:20 PM
If people notice... their Goalkeeper  was at fault with all three of ours !
Goalies ay...who'd love them .  :)

Was sat half way between where the ball was struck and the goal.  It was a really good strike and I maintain that any keeper would have struggled. Agree it looks different on the replay, but it was struck really well. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 21, 2019, 10:41:57 PM
Was sat half way between where the ball was struck and the goal.  It was a really good strike and I maintain that any keeper would have struggled. Agree it looks different on the replay, but it was struck really well.


It wasn't top corner, it wasn't bottom corner. It should've been saved, it was perfect height for a keeper. Johnstone just completely misjudged it, opened his arms wide and was left flapping at thin air. Do you think Foster would've let that in? Not a chance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on April 21, 2019, 10:43:19 PM
Was sat half way between where the ball was struck and the goal.  It was a really good strike and I maintain that any keeper would have struggled. Agree it looks different on the replay, but it was struck really well.
For what its worth the 5 live reporter said it was a wonder strike, the telly can be misleading.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on April 21, 2019, 10:45:07 PM

It wasn't top corner, it wasn't bottom corner. It should've been saved, it was perfect height for a keeper. Johnstone just completely misjudged it, opened his arms wide and was left flapping at thin air. Do you think Foster would've let that in? Not a chance.
Brendan Foster would have saved it.
Bond has to come in now, could just be the difference.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 21, 2019, 10:46:58 PM
For what its worth the 5 live reporter said it was a wonder strike, the telly can be misleading.


That's obviously gospel then.  ::)

Telly isn't misleading.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on April 21, 2019, 10:49:07 PM
Brendan Foster would have saved it.
Bond has to come in now, could just be the difference.


I would've brought Bond in games ago. Every keeper makes mistakes but the amount of goals Johnstone is gifting teams is just ridiculous. It's hard, near impossible to defend.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 21, 2019, 10:53:46 PM
For what its worth the 5 live reporter said it was a wonder strike, the telly can be misleading.

I thought it was a worldie at the time from my view in the Smethwick

Then I saw the footage whilst sitting in Costa Coffee

Poor goalkeeping.

It wasn’t even near the corner which makes it worse - the ball went straight through his flapping hands
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on April 22, 2019, 10:36:14 AM
From the rear of the Smethwick it looked after. Most people around me couldnt work out how it's gone in  looked even worse on TV.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on April 23, 2019, 12:49:39 PM
He did fine yesterday for what its worth....
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 23, 2019, 01:01:02 PM
He did fine yesterday for what its worth....

Wasn't tested that much from what I heard.

Played every game, had about 2-3 good ones, and looks shot of confidence. If we get a decent offer this summer I'd sell him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on April 23, 2019, 01:55:52 PM
Wasn't tested that much from what I heard.

Played every game, had about 2-3 good ones, and looks shot of confidence. If we get a decent offer this summer I'd sell him.

In fairness the 2 against Hull were indefensible, BUT yesterday he made a couple of very good saves, 1 in particular was excellent (2nd half flying tip around the post, looked in all the way), their player who shot was mortified. He is very inconsistent but hopefully that gets better with age / experience, and not having the woeful Bartley in front of him
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 24, 2019, 12:39:40 PM
In fairness the 2 against Hull were indefensible, BUT yesterday he made a couple of very good saves, 1 in particular was excellent (2nd half flying tip around the post, looked in all the way), their player who shot was mortified. He is very inconsistent but hopefully that gets better with age / experience, and not having the woeful Bartley in front of him

Was that the free kick?

He turned into in a good save having taken his initial steps the wrong way.

He did well to recover to tip it round the post.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Westie on April 24, 2019, 03:51:25 PM
Brendan Foster would have saved it.
Bond has to come in now, could just be the difference.

Brendan Foster would save every shot without moving an inch, hasn’t that man piled on the weight (btw he’s just about the worst sports commentator ever).

Anyway, can’t see Shan risking a goalie change at this stage of proceedings.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 09:48:50 PM
Based on some of Sam’s errors with longish range shots last season and the error on Saturday, I really do wonder, and this isn’t being flippant, if he wears contact lenses and has a problem with them during games.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 05, 2019, 09:53:07 PM
Not flippant at all.
When I change my reading glasses to long distance, it takes time for my eyes to adjust.
I have to sit in my car for at least 10 minutes before things become clear enough to drive.
I don't use contact lenses, but feel that these also need time to re-ajust.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on August 05, 2019, 09:59:47 PM
This bloke gives me massive anxiety. 100% not convinced.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 05, 2019, 10:01:11 PM
Would love a proper keeper in ,I really think Johnstone is a liability
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 05, 2019, 10:06:29 PM
Should have saved Forests goal, but it took a slight deflection so on balance, he has some mitigation, I think his distribution is very good, so he that goes in his favour, regarding contacts, its possible, his short range shot stopping is normally pretty good.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on August 05, 2019, 10:15:23 PM
The next Scot Carson, people will destroy any bit of confidence the lad may have by jumping on any error he makes and slaughtering him, the guy must be on edge constantly. He’s being compared to a bloke 10 years older than him. When foster was Johnstone’s age he’s getting slated for making numerous errors himself but everyone seems to have forgotten that. Give the lad a chance, stop getting on his back at every opportunity and see how he grows.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggiebof on August 05, 2019, 10:27:28 PM
Generally I feel comfortable with Johnstone but he does appear to have a weakness with long range shots. I am no keeper expert but he looks a little flat footed and slow to move his feet. Hopefully a good coach can improve that side of his game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on August 05, 2019, 10:31:09 PM
Generally I feel comfortable with Johnstone but he does appear to have a weakness with long range shots. I am no keeper expert but he looks a little flat footed and slow to move his feet. Hopefully a good coach can improve that side of his game.

but he looks a little flat footed
A pair of stilettos 👠 would fix that
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BalisPen on August 06, 2019, 01:01:42 AM
Brendan Foster would have saved it.
Bond has to come in now, could just be the difference.

After the latest error on Saturday, I'd take monepenny over him.

I thought at the time we spent too much on him and could have brought in a good, experienced keeper in like the dings did with Ruddy.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 06, 2019, 02:33:56 AM
He's just not very good. Lets in way too many soft goals. Poor signing.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 06, 2019, 05:58:31 AM
He's just not very good. Lets in way too many soft goals. Poor signing.

Agree I have been calling for bond to be given a go for ages. Although I think billic will give him a run before he drops him
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 06, 2019, 09:03:51 AM
The next Scot Carson, people will destroy any bit of confidence the lad may have by jumping on any error he makes and slaughtering him, the guy must be on edge constantly. He’s being compared to a bloke 10 years older than him. When foster was Johnstone’s age he’s getting slated for making numerous errors himself but everyone seems to have forgotten that. Give the lad a chance, stop getting on his back at every opportunity and see how he grows.

He's the next Scott Carson, but not for the reasons you mention.

He's a top-half championship keeper at best, just like Carson. If we go up and keep him in net, he'll get exposed, just like Carson.

Yes we were spoiled with Foster for the last few years, but that doesn't mean we can't do better than Johnstone. Henderson, who went to Sheffield United, would have been a better bet.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on August 06, 2019, 09:08:52 AM
I don't think he's very good.
At best you can say hes adequate at the moment.
Decent shot stopper but struggles with any thing from distance that's on target.
I don't see him as being a scapegoat, I think most criticism on here is given as an honest opinion.
There are posters on here who see any form of criticism as being a negative slur or having a go, all I can say to them is take off the blue and white shades and have another look.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 06, 2019, 10:37:21 AM
Give the lad a chance, stop getting on his back at every opportunity and see how he grows.

He has palyed nearly 50 games for us now.  That's more than a chance and enough time to form an opinion.  He doesn't make me feel confident.  Obviously a good shot stopper, but when crosses or long shots come into the box I really worry.  Having said that last season he played behind a rather dodgy defence, so will be interesting to see what he looks like with something a bit more secure ahead of him.

I think he did one really effective long range throw out on Saturday, and I can remember a few last season.  I we can create the space by quickly turning defence into attack I'd like to see more of these.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on August 06, 2019, 12:34:32 PM
Just not good enough in any aspect. He is inconsistent varying between ok and poor. He doesn’t  command his area, his distribution has been fraught with poor decisions, and he takes an age to get down to low shots. His handling needs improvement, and he does not appear to be able to organise his defence. I do not doubt his courage nor his commitment, but he does not inspire any confidence and is, I repeat just not good enough.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on August 06, 2019, 12:40:47 PM
He's decent as a reaction shot stopper - his movement is some of the poorest I've seen though so anything either side of him and he struggles.  See Saturday's goal, there's been many like that.  If you were the opposition you'd operate a "shoot on sight" policy.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Barrington on August 06, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
Before our first game I was going to make the point that I think we've got very little chance of getting promoted with Johnstone in goal. However, I didn't say it as I could have been rightly or wrongly accused of making comments that could potentially affect confidence before a game has even been played. Turns out he'll make mistakes whether he gets slated or not, so I'll say it now. We will not get promoted this season with him in goal. I thought he would at least give it 2-3 games before letting in a soft goal but he exceeded my expectations. Need a new keeper before the deadline or at least give Bond a chance as I doubt he can be much worse than Johnstone. Johnstone's kicking can be very good at times though, to be fair to him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 10, 2019, 06:10:26 PM
Soft goalkeeping today had next to nothing to do. One lofty cross he failed to come for has cost us 2 points today.

If we aren't going to play bond this is a position we should be looking to improve in January
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2019, 06:16:41 PM
Bond should play on Tuesday and if he puts in a good performance, he may force his way into the team.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 10, 2019, 06:30:20 PM
Don't think in any way he was at fault for their goal
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: elkiellis on August 10, 2019, 07:51:57 PM
Don't think in any way he was at fault for their goal
I thought he was glued to his line and should have come for the cross,need to watch it on TV later
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 10, 2019, 08:31:37 PM
Glued to his line and unable to read the game. The free kick prior to the goal was so blatantly obvious.

Gibbs gave him a right mouthful following it.

Then the corner itself was a mish  mash from them all. The ball is still in the 6 yard box and should be gobbled up by the keeper.

He’s just very poor
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2019, 08:51:19 PM
I honestly thought we'd have seen a new keeper signed this summer. Johnstone is the main problem of our defensive issues for me.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on August 10, 2019, 09:01:09 PM
Yep, forgot how bad he is. MOre money wasted, imperative we get rid at the end of this season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 10, 2019, 09:16:57 PM
Needs to be dropped for Bond, complete liability.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 10, 2019, 10:04:16 PM
I said this before the end of last season.
No contol and absolutely useless at crosses and long shots.
Bye bye. Please.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 11, 2019, 06:09:11 AM
Don't think in any way he was at fault for their goal
Agreed mate, just one of the fall guys, blamed and insulted, along with Livermore, Burke, HRK, Zohore (already), by so-called supporters.   
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on August 11, 2019, 06:45:41 AM
Agreed mate, just one of the fall guys, blamed and insulted, along with Livermore, Burke, HRK, Zohore (already), by so-called supporters.

Here we go again, pointing fingers at fans for posting criticism of players.
As I see it Johnstone has been below par for some time, the management would do well to take him out of the firing line, maybe he would benefit from a bit more coaching.
As for the others you mentioned Livermore had a decent game yesterday in my mind.
Burke? Blimey I can't for the life of me see what he offers the team.
HRK, offered more when he came on as sub than Ive seen from Zohore yet. Looks like a poor mans version of Rondon. Had one clear cut chance that he should have buried. Early days, hope I'm wrong but we could have been miss sold here.
Fans eh? how dare we.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Adamstv on August 11, 2019, 07:55:50 AM
Watched their goal and don’t think he was to blame tbh. In the quest highlights did their corner that they scored come from the header that drifted wide from a millwall header just beforehand. Old age playing up
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on August 11, 2019, 08:53:53 AM
We no longer play the suicide tactics of last year from the back , I always gave him the benefit of the doubt due to the above and a few other bits.
He needs to step up now starting with getting the basics right week in , week out .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 11, 2019, 09:00:10 AM
To be honest I haven't seen a replay of their goal yet and I'm down the opposite end of the ground but the ball seemed to be in the air for a while and not too far out so I was screaming for him to go and claim it. He's never been a commanding keeper though so I don't expect to develop into one now, its a shame we are comparing him to Foster really who was decent in that respect.

Bond should get the chance on Tuesday night and if he does well he'll be breathing down his neck.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 11, 2019, 11:37:13 AM
Here we go again, pointing fingers at fans for posting criticism of players.
As I see it Johnstone has been below par for some time, the management would do well to take him out of the firing line, maybe he would benefit from a bit more coaching.
As for the others you mentioned Livermore had a decent game yesterday in my mind.
Burke? Blimey I can't for the life of me see what he offers the team.
HRK, offered more when he came on as sub than Ive seen from Zohore yet. Looks like a poor mans version of Rondon. Had one clear cut chance that he should have buried. Early days, hope I'm wrong but we could have been miss sold here.
Fans eh? how dare we.
Says the man who suggested swapping Burke for Johnstone on the Burke thread. It's not criticism it's taking the mick.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 11, 2019, 12:38:39 PM
I would have him out of the team immediately
I've seen posts where people are sticking up for him based on the odd match when he makes a couple of save....that's his job
In general I'm not sure anyone can actually say he breeds confidence, I also don't think we can blame the poor keeping on the flawed practice of playing from the back last season.....it wouldn't make you st Ck on your line when the ball/defence/crowd are desperate for an authorative claim

We can go around in circles daily, some will defend some will chastise

My view is that he is well below the standard required and almost anybody else would be an upgrade
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 11, 2019, 12:45:35 PM
Agreed mate, just one of the fall guys, blamed and insulted, along with Livermore, Burke, HRK, Zohore (already), by so-called supporters.

Johnson is generally rubbish. Slow to get down to low shots. Doesn’t come off his line to claim enough crosses, poor positioning and lets in way too many from distance. We need a much better goal keeper if we have any designs on winning the league. Just common sense, I won’t hiss at him in the game but I can’t pretend he’s not a problem and Gibbs clearly feels the same. Looking forward to Bond playing on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on August 11, 2019, 01:06:26 PM
Could we have a better keeper than him? Of course we could. But as others have said I do not see him as being to blame for the goal yesterday. Neither doI see Bond as the messiah that some do. That’s opinions for you. We all have em!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on August 11, 2019, 01:20:46 PM
Says the man who suggested swapping Burke for Johnstone on the Burke thread. It's not criticism it's taking the ****.

I wasn't joking
 ::)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on August 11, 2019, 01:21:00 PM
I don't blame Johnstone for yesterday's goal.

First one to blame is Bartley. The corner came from a Smith header that went wide. Bartley was actually in front of Smith who Bartley then allowed to out-strength him and get on his wrong side. Smith never should've got to that ball.

Next to blame is the referee. There was no touch by an Albion player, it should've been a goal kick.

The corner was not dealt with well enough we weren't organised enough. Bartley and Ferguson both go for the same header and both get caught underneath the ball. Ferguson then doesn't make enough effort to block the second cross and then what Robson-Kanu is doing at the far post I don't know.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on August 11, 2019, 01:30:26 PM
I don't blame Johnstone for yesterday's goal.

First one to blame is Bartley. The corner came from a Smith header that went wide. Bartley was actually in front of Smith who Bartley then allowed to out-strength him and get on his wrong side. Smith never should've got to that ball.

Next to blame is the referee. There was no touch by an Albion player, it should've been a goal kick.

The corner was not dealt with well enough we weren't organised enough. Bartley and Ferguson both go for the same header and both get caught underneath the ball. Ferguson then doesn't make enough effort to block the second cross and then what Robson-Kanu is doing at the far post I don't know.

And in the midst of all this is a player allowed to use his hands, and who will get total protection from contact who did nothing to try to alleviate the situation. I do not believe from the evidence of last season and so far this season that our present goalkeeper is of the required standard for this team. Our other keeper, Bond deserves an opportunity to claim the position, and if he is no better we need to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on August 11, 2019, 01:34:41 PM
And in the midst of all this is a player allowed to use his hands, and who will get total protection from contact who did nothing to try to alleviate the situation. I do not believe from the evidence of last season and so far this season that our present goalkeeper is of the required standard for this team. Our other keeper, Bond deserves an opportunity to claim the position, and if he is no better we need to look elsewhere.


I'm not  a big Johnstone fan either but I don't want any keeper coming for a ball he's not confident of getting. I'm not sure he'd have got either cross had he come for it. I'd expect my defenders to deal with it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on August 11, 2019, 01:55:10 PM
I think it's harsh to blame him for yesterday's goal. I'd like to see us improve on him in January but i think yesterday was not his fault.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 11, 2019, 02:53:47 PM
Matt Wilson who is fairly level headed blamed him for not coming for the cross and pointed out he was poor at Forest as well and would be disappointed with his performances so far this season. Hard to argue. We did alright yesterday but when your GK and main striker are both poor it’s a big issue.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 11, 2019, 05:43:11 PM
Matt Wilson who is fairly level headed blamed him for not coming for the cross and pointed out he was poor at Forest as well and would be disappointed with his performances so far this season. Hard to argue. We did alright yesterday but when your GK and main striker are both poor it’s a big issue.

Matt Wilson blamed him
Plenty fans blamed him
Crucially a seasoned professional "Gibbs" also blamed him

Somebody mentioned earlier (whilst supporting him) that they didn't want him coming for crosses he was not confident of getting......that's sort of the point
Someone also said that Bond is not the messiah......neither is my mom , but I'd be more confident of a clean sheet with either of them over SJ

People can choose to form their own opinions, but for me if he is in goal we won't go up
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on August 11, 2019, 05:52:20 PM
I'm not a fan but I honestly think it was harsh to blame him for yesterday's goal. 

On the whole, I think his agility is sorely lacking which is why he struggles to get to shots you could throw your cap on.  He's ok at reflex shot stopping and his distribution is pretty good but outside of that, we look like we'll concede if there's a decent effort straight at him.  There was one point yesterday where he dragged it back inside the forward when there was a really easy pass on.  Absolutely no need for him to do that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on August 11, 2019, 06:45:58 PM
I would have him out of the team immediately
I've seen posts where people are sticking up for him based on the odd match when he makes a couple of save....that's his job
In general I'm not sure anyone can actually say he breeds confidence, I also don't think we can blame the poor keeping on the flawed practice of playing from the back last season.....it wouldn't make you st Ck on your line when the ball/defence/crowd are desperate for an authorative claim

We can go around in circles daily, some will defend some will chastise

My view is that he is well below the standard required and almost anybody else would be an upgrade

Also want to add that the lack of confidence clearly rubs off on other players and breeds uncertainty. Sometimes it's good to switch it up, especially if Bond plays midweek and has a good game.

On top of that as well as losing confidence in the keeper, the players lose focus; for their goal, the move that led to the corner had Gibbs having an extremely heated discussion with Johnstone, who came rushing off his line (ironially) to go and respond to Gibbs. They had to both be pushed back to their positions as the corner was about to come in, and I can guarantee they were both still wound up as play continued and ultimately they scored. From what I say yesterday it seems like it's not just the fans that are getting annoyed with SJ not coming off his line.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on August 11, 2019, 06:51:42 PM
it was highlighted during his time at the seals that he was reluctant to come off his line. obviously you expect your defenders to win aireal duals but they won't win them all so it's imperative that the goalkeeper at least commands the 6 yards box. not sure he's entirely to blame for Millwalls equaliser but if he doesn't improve this part of his game we will concede many more goals of this type. needs telling he's not an Ant and it's safe to cross the white line.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on August 11, 2019, 07:13:16 PM
Has been a liability since day one and I genuinley have anxiety anytime the ball comes near him.

When you combine him with calamity Kyle it makes for the absolute worst joke of a duo to have defending the goal.

Sooner we get shot of him the better IMO.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 11, 2019, 07:15:23 PM
I'm not a fan but I honestly think it was harsh to blame him for yesterday's goal. 

On the whole, I think his agility is sorely lacking which is why he struggles to get to shots you could throw your cap on.  He's ok at reflex shot stopping and his distribution is pretty good but outside of that, we look like we'll concede if there's a decent effort straight at him.  There was one point yesterday where he dragged it back inside the forward when there was a really easy pass on.  Absolutely no need for him to do that.
The problem is when he is so static and prone to an error then it will end up with him getting the blame regardless
We paid money for him, we want to win this league ...do we think that backline are confident in Him?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on August 11, 2019, 07:23:29 PM
The problem is when he is so static and prone to an error then it will end up with him getting the blame regardless
We paid money for him, we want to win this league ...do we think that backline are confident in Him?
Nail on head, we have no confidence in him, the defense have no confidence in him and he has no confidence in himself.
If Bond plays well Tuesday he deserves a chance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on August 12, 2019, 02:29:48 PM
While not his number one fan I have to say some of the comments regarding the goal on Saturday are very harsh. Never a corner in the build up but then I suppose that's Johnstone's fault. Bartley should head the ball clear, when he doesn't HRK should definitely be more aware of what was going on around him at the far post. I suppose Johnstone's at fault for their lapses of concentration too though.

Sarcasm aside one point I'd question him on is indecision. Despite some comments he did move for the ball. He then realised he wasn't going to get it (never his ball to go for in the first place for me as it was always beyond him) and stopped in no man's land. The irony being Smith hit the ball pretty much straight towards Johnstone's starting position.

Doesn't over commit and there's a good chance he'd have made the save even though it really should have been cleared by a static ball watching defence. I'm willing to put his indecision down to the swirling wind though. Calamity of questionable judgement rather than an individual goal keeping mistake brought about by slow/heavy footwork. This doesn't detract from previous attempts I've felt he could do much better with but I'll not be having a pop over this one.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on August 12, 2019, 03:49:46 PM
Watching the replay of the goal, for me Johnstone isn't at fault for that goal, I don't think he can get to that cross. Granted his positioning probably could have been better but you cant place the blame on him.

The players back post should be dealing with things better, think it's HRK who switches off before reacting late to the danger.

I think Johnstone does get a lot of stick, most unjustified in all honesty. I think the way the team set up last year meant he was quite exposed, playing out from the back etc and a number of fans made their mind up that he wasn't good enough.

We need to remember we were spoilt by having Foster in goal for as long as we did. For me Johnstone is on of the best keepers in this league, I could probably only count on one hand the keepers in this league I would prefer in goal instead of him.

The constant criticism of him on twitter and instagram is unwarranted, and don't be surprised if that affects a players performance.

 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on August 12, 2019, 05:06:58 PM
........I think Johnstone does get a lot of stick...........The constant criticism of him on twitter and instagram is unwarranted, and don't be surprised if that affects a players performance.

He does come in for a lot of stick, some justified and some not. The constant harping on social media becomes tiring though. Then again so did some of the howlers he made last season. At times we were porous because of how we set up and invited teams on, but there's absolutely no way we should have conceded 62 League goals. Yes he made some cracking saves but there were times when shots seemed to go through him. That said he wasn't entirely to blame for either goal this season. New season and a new style of play mean a 'clean sheet' for Sam from me.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 12, 2019, 07:08:19 PM
While not his number one fan I have to say some of the comments regarding the goal on Saturday are very harsh. Never a corner in the build up but then I suppose that's Johnstone's fault. Bartley should head the ball clear, when he doesn't HRK should definitely be more aware of what was going on around him at the far post. I suppose Johnstone's at fault for their lapses of concentration too though.

Sarcasm aside one point I'd question him on is indecision. Despite some comments he did move for the ball. He then realised he wasn't going to get it (never his ball to go for in the first place for me as it was always beyond him) and stopped in no man's land. The irony being Smith hit the ball pretty much straight towards Johnstone's starting position.

Doesn't over commit and there's a good chance he'd have made the save even though it really should have been cleared by a static ball watching defence. I'm willing to put his indecision down to the swirling wind though. Calamity of questionable judgement rather than an individual goal keeping mistake brought about by slow/heavy footwork. This doesn't detract from previous attempts I've felt he could do much better with but I'll not be having a pop over this one.
Very good point Dan.I must admit to having no idea how strong the wind was  from my seat in the East, until I left the ground at the end. Made me realise how difficult it was for both teams.   
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on August 12, 2019, 11:45:19 PM
Watching the replay of the goal, for me Johnstone isn't at fault for that goal, I don't think he can get to that cross. Granted his positioning probably could have been better but you cant place the blame on him.

The players back post should be dealing with things better, think it's HRK who switches off before reacting late to the danger.

I think Johnstone does get a lot of stick, most unjustified in all honesty. I think the way the team set up last year meant he was quite exposed, playing out from the back etc and a number of fans made their mind up that he wasn't good enough.

We need to remember we were spoilt by having Foster in goal for as long as we did. For me Johnstone is on of the best keepers in this league, I could probably only count on one hand the keepers in this league I would prefer in goal instead of him.

The constant criticism of him on twitter and instagram is unwarranted, and don't be surprised if that affects a players performance.
I 100% agree with this....the lads confidence will be affected ...and has he really done that much wrong?? None between his legs or dropped a cross over the line or missed a ball completely. There was a goalie called Gary Sprake (Leeds and Wales) who gaffed often but he was always seen as one of the best at that time. Have read his book "Careless Hands" a great read.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on August 13, 2019, 06:37:19 AM
I 100% agree with this....the lads confidence will be affected ...and has he really done that much wrong?? None between his legs or dropped a cross over the line or missed a ball completely. There was a goalie called Gary Sprake (Leeds and Wales) who gaffed often but he was always seen as one of the best at that time. Have read his book "Careless Hands" a great read.

Gary Sprake - Sam Johnstone
Chalk- Cheese
I haven't seen anything in Johnstones game yet to suggest he'll be anywhere near as good as Sprake
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: kris_boing on August 13, 2019, 07:12:05 AM
Don't think he's a bad keeper. The thing is I think we've been spoilt having Foster for so long.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: sing on our own on August 13, 2019, 07:59:18 AM
I think and others have said he’s just like Scott Carson, brilliant a lot of the time but never fully comfortable. A well know journalist who used to write for the Mail was/is convinced there might be something wrong with his eyesight as shots from distance are his Achilles heel. I don’t think he’ll get much better as he’s not young so either put up or replace.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smethwickw on August 13, 2019, 08:20:25 AM
Whilst we have Johnstone and/or Bartley in the side we will fail to keep clean sheets on a regular basis.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on August 13, 2019, 09:34:02 AM
I think and others have said he’s just like Scott Carson, brilliant a lot of the time but never fully comfortable. A well know journalist who used to write for the Mail was/is convinced there might be something wrong with his eyesight as shots from distance are his Achilles heel. I don’t think he’ll get much better as he’s not young so either put up or replace.

You mean "like Scott Carson but not brilliant a lot of the time"?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on August 13, 2019, 09:58:52 AM
He does come in for a lot of stick, some justified and some not. The constant harping on social media becomes tiring though. Then again so did some of the howlers he made last season. At times we were porous because of how we set up and invited teams on, but there's absolutely no way we should have conceded 62 League goals. Yes he made some cracking saves but there were times when shots seemed to go through him. That said he wasn't entirely to blame for either goal this season. New season and a new style of play mean a 'clean sheet' for Sam from me.

For what it's worth, Johnstone also made more saves than any other keeper in the league, for a team that finished where we did that's an unbelievable stat (when you would assume the keepers near the bottom would be worked harder than those at the top).

Of the 62 goals we conceded I could probably only count on one hand the ones which were 'his fault' as opposed to how we set up and the pressure that comes on us. The way we set up last year I would guess that Foster would have still conceded 50+ goals.

Let's also remember the penalties he saved last year to keep us in games.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2019, 11:56:08 AM
.......Of the 62 goals we conceded I could probably only count on one hand the ones which were 'his fault' .........

One hand eh? Hello Wolfie, nice of you to drop by  ;) .

On a more serious note and to add perspective, in recent posts even I've defended him better than the 'system' did at times last season. I also acknowledge that in my opinion he wasn't entirely at fault for either goal this season and we should all be aware of his previous saves too. I've been present for all bar one of his performances in an Albion top and he's pulled off some crackers.

Goalkeepers make saves, it's part of what they do and although the saves stat is correct how many were routine and how many did he have no right to get to? Ie how many would most keepers have expected themselves to save? Equally how many did we concede that he would have been angry with himself for missing out on? I don't know but I'd think they'd be more telling stats.

Keepers can be sloppy and make basic technical errors in terms of footwork, positioning and handling. This too can be due in part to team mates positioning, good interchanges of play by the opposition or even the weather. For whatever reason I would suggest he's made considerably more than five basic mistakes which have led to goals.

Again this happens and as stated new season, new system and 'clean sheet' from me. For the record I'm not a Johnstone hater but I'm not a Johnstone apologist either. There is a middle ground to be had which I feel we both occupy.

Don't get me started on K.......... ;D .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on August 13, 2019, 12:04:56 PM
I do not blame SJ for the Milwall goal, there were a lot of other errors that led up to that. It is just on the evidence of a full season and both games this season there is something missing in his game. As many have already said,  It may be confidence, it may be lack of mobility, or poor positional sense, or maybe just that he is not a fully competent goalkeeper. Often the opinion is that he ‘could have done better’. Well my opinion is that we need a keeper who does the basics more consistently. He does not need to be world class, just competent and consistent. Then the defence know what to expect and works better as a team unit.  Sam just does not seem the right fit at the moment, so perhaps another keeper might be. Bond from what I have seen seems at least as capable and deserves a decent chance to stake his claim.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on August 13, 2019, 12:13:45 PM
One hand eh? Hello Wolfie, nice of you to drop by  ;) .

On a more serious note and to add perspective, in recent posts even I've defended him better than the 'system' did at times last season. I also acknowledge that in my opinion he wasn't entirely at fault for either goal this season and we should all be aware of his previous saves too. I've been present for all bar one of his performances in an Albion top and he's pulled off some crackers.

Goalkeepers make saves, it's part of what they do and although the saves stat is correct how many were routine and how many did he have no right to get to? Ie how many would most keepers have expected themselves to save? Equally how many did we concede that he would have been angry with himself for missing out on? I don't know but I'd think they'd be more telling stats.

Keepers can be sloppy and make basic technical errors in terms of footwork, positioning and handling. This too can be due in part to team mates positioning, good interchanges of play by the opposition or even the weather. For whatever reason I would suggest he's made considerably more than five basic mistakes which have led to goals.

Again this happens and as stated new season, new system and 'clean sheet' from me. For the record I'm not a Johnstone hater but I'm not a Johnstone apologist either. There is a middle ground to be had which I feel we both occupy.

Don't get me started on K.......... ;D .
The difference with a keeper and a defender is that it's easier to replace a defender. As I said in another post, unless Bond forces his way through, Johnstone is here to stay and that's what gives people the jitters and leads to him getting more stick.
Personally, whilst not being the worst keeper, he does not fill me with confidence. He has looked better though, overall this season, and you are right, he cannot be blamed for the goal on Saturday but, even so, his positioning for the corner was atrocious. Like a PES keeper from the 90's.
Hope Bond at least gives Slaven food for thought tonight as we need competition.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2019, 07:33:37 PM
Going back to the days of Alan Miller I'm struggling to remember a worse first choice keeper up here.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: saml30 on August 16, 2019, 07:44:38 PM
Going back to the days of Alan Miller I'm struggling to remember a worse first choice keeper up here.

Zuberbuhler(sp) was a lot worse, Carson made just as many, if not more mistakes. We have been spoiled by Hoult and Foster being long serving players, in between those we still had some inconsistent keepers
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on August 16, 2019, 08:25:08 PM
Going back to the days of Alan Miller I'm struggling to remember a worse first choice keeper up here.
Paul Crichton was bad! I met Alan Miller's Mrs at a players meeting she was rather beautiful Claire Sweeney!!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2019, 10:00:05 PM
Zuberbuhler(sp) was a lot worse, Carson made just as many, if not more mistakes. We have been spoiled by Hoult and Foster being long serving players, in between those we still had some inconsistent keepers


Zubi made 15 appearances in 2 years, hardly first choice. Carson was/is a far better keeper.


We haven't had a 1st choice gk as bad as SJ since Crichton (who only made 33 starts in 2 and a half seasons).


Paul Crichton was bad! I met Alan Miller's Mrs at a players meeting she was rather beautiful Claire Sweeney!!


Crichton was pre-Miller (slight overlap perhaps)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 16, 2019, 10:22:47 PM
Watching him, I feel that he hasn't been coached enough to watch the game and be prepared to come out earlier for crosses.
He has to learn (rather quickly too) to organise his defence. He has to show authority.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Baggies on August 16, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
Looking at who we have had as number 1’s in the last 20+ years, we probably haven’t done too bad.

Foster, Hoult and Kuszczak were all brilliant in their time here.

Kiely, Kirkland, Jensen and my old personal favourite Miller were steady and reliable.

Zuberbuhler and Carson are probably the only 2 who I think had poor spells here as number 1. I think Johnstone is better than Zuber, but on a par with Carson for me at the minute. All reputation, but ultimately limited and doesn’t make enough of an impact to justify the odd mistake (although Johnstone makes less than Carson did when here).

Interestingly, youth team keeper Elliot Morris who was our third choice keeper to Jensen and Chris Adamson in 1999 is still playing for Glenntoran (Belfast) aged 38. He has made over 600 appearances for them! Chris Adamson was playing Sunday league football in the Warley Sunday league up until last season down Hyde’s road.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 21, 2019, 10:23:19 PM
Literally nothing to do again except save one shot yet still concedes from outside the box at the near post.


We must give Bond a run of games. If he's not up to it go and get another keeper in January.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBArgo on August 21, 2019, 10:25:33 PM
Literally nothing to do again except save one shot yet still concedes from outside the box at the near post.


We must give Bond a run of games. If he's not up to it go and get another keeper in January.

How on earth was he meant to save it? The best in the world wouldn't have got that it was unstoppable. Instead questions should be asked from the midfield/defence.

I know Johnstone has his problems but the goal wasn't his fault.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbarenno on August 21, 2019, 10:27:50 PM
Literally nothing to do again except save one shot yet still concedes from outside the box at the near post.


We must give Bond a run of games. If he's not up to it go and get another keeper in January.

I’ve been really critical of Johnstone this season mate but I actually thought he had a good game tonight and couldn’t do anything about the goal . The goal was down to giving the reading lad to much time to get his shot out
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: DaveWBA on August 21, 2019, 10:29:12 PM
Literally nothing to do again except save one shot yet still concedes from outside the box at the near post.


We must give Bond a run of games. If he's not up to it go and get another keeper in January.

It's literally gone in the top corner mate. Other than having 8ft arms there was sod all he could have done.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on August 21, 2019, 10:39:24 PM
Thing is, he NEVER dives! So many goals where he doesn't even attempt. Foster made some absolute worldies in the goal for us, saves worth as much as goals. I don't expect him to be as good as Foster but would hope to see the odd top drawer save.

I'd say give Bond a chance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: leeiswba on August 21, 2019, 10:41:33 PM
I’ve been one of his critics but Christ you aren’t saving that tonight, if we want a keeper who will save them then we are going to be unhappy for a number of years ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on August 21, 2019, 10:43:04 PM
Don't think he's as bad as some say but he's certainly not a promotion chasing / winning keeper .
When you need that bit extra to get you out of trouble he lacks it , nothing personal as he's as honest as the days long .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on August 21, 2019, 10:45:16 PM
I’ve been one of his critics but Christ you aren’t saving that tonight, if we want a keeper who will save them then we are going to be unhappy for a number of years ;D  ;D

He never even tries though when it's a belter. Ok granted, even if he tried he most likely doesn't save that but there's been many where i've looked and though "if he tries then maybe he makes a great save."

I'm frustrated with him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on August 21, 2019, 10:47:58 PM
Literally nothing to do again except save one shot yet still concedes from outside the box at the near post.


We must give Bond a run of games. If he's not up to it go and get another keeper in January.

No one was saving that Jacko……

Gave the number 14 all the time in the world and he placed it perfectly. He was a real handful all night, their version of Romaine...….

The fault lay with the outfield there, just standing off admiring him.I
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on August 21, 2019, 11:12:08 PM
There is absolutely no blame on Johnstone for that goal. Played well tonight in my view.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 21, 2019, 11:20:47 PM
He never even tries though when it's a belter. Ok granted, even if he tried he most likely doesn't save that but there's been many where i've looked and though "if he tries then maybe he makes a great save."

I'm frustrated with him.
This
I wonder how many fans that have a correct score bet ever put us down for a clean sheet?
I think he is weak, some may defend him, but do you think we ever look like a clean sheet is coming when he plays?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 21, 2019, 11:36:52 PM
This
I wonder how many fans that have a correct score bet ever put us down for a clean sheet?
I think he is weak, some may defend him, but do you think we ever look like a clean sheet is coming when he plays?

His clean sheet record for us is appalling. Time to drop him for Bond. I don’t blame him for not saving their goal tonight but to not even dive and have a go at getting it isn’t acceptable. He’s not good enough, seen that now for 50 odd game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 21, 2019, 11:55:31 PM
It's clear he is a scapegoat on this forum to some. He has had 2 solid games in a row now.

I was right behind that shot in the Smethwick and Johnstone would of been unsighted. By the time he saw it and realised it didn't get blocked by a defender covering that side of his goal it was almost past him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 22, 2019, 12:28:11 AM
It's clear he is a scapegoat on this forum to some. He has had 2 solid games in a row now.

I was right behind that shot in the Smethwick and Johnstone would of been unsighted. By the time he saw it and realised it didn't get blocked by a defender covering that side of his goal it was almost past him.
26 year old professional goalkeeper
He’s had 2 solid games in a row

Just think about that ......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 22, 2019, 12:44:39 AM
26 year old professional goalkeeper
He’s had 2 solid games in a row

Just think about that ......


Also what constitutes solid? He didn't have anything else to do tonight? The camera save from the free kick Livermore stupidly gave away? I'd have saved that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: kie the baggie on August 22, 2019, 03:24:40 AM
thought he had decent game in my view, nothing he could do with the goal, had a chin wag with my 5 year old on his warm up and made his day so back off yeah!!! :P
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on August 22, 2019, 06:35:09 AM
 :D I think Sam has the makings of a good goalkeeper. He could take notice of a few Foster videos and notice that Foster was always on his toes when the opposition were attacking so he was well prepared for an unexpected shot and could move quickly in either direction.

He also stood in and around 3m off his goaline, which meant he had cut down the angle of the incoming shot by about 20%,allowing him to divert any inbound shot as he was on his toes and anticipating what was going to happen...he got this from years of experience and good solid concentration.

Sam does not have that concentration and anticipation ,yet. This will come in time. He is too flatfooted in preparation and clings to the goaline, hence when a shot comes in he cannot react as quickly or cover as much of his goal. This is why he seems flatfooted and fails to dive to keep out the goals he has conceded this year and last.
Foster rarely failed to attempt to stop shots no matter if he had no chance. He also had a great awareness on what was happening in front of him and was always belting out orders to his defence.
The goalkeeping coaches at Albion should be picking up on this.

I have coached keepers in the past and played myself ....I am not an expert,but can see these flaws in his game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 22, 2019, 07:41:55 AM
A statto on twitter recon's that our Sam has the following stats
Appearances 52
Conceded 65
Conceded 15 of those from outside the area
Percentage conceded from outside the box = a worrying 23%
Discuss
(Edited) For my part I don't think he has had much of a chance with the last two goals conceded and as said below the defending has at times left him over exposed so pretty ambivalent about him TBH a bit flaky at times but generally OK
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on August 22, 2019, 07:45:54 AM
I just feel that, if you so choose, you can blame a goalkeeper for almost any goal. Some are continually demanding that Bond gets a run. Think back to Milwall cup game. Was he so good? Just saying.....
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 22, 2019, 08:02:22 AM
I’m not Johnstone’s biggest fan... but he had no chance with their goal last night

Let’s criticise the pathetic defending instead for a change..
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 22, 2019, 08:20:55 AM
Blimey, straws being seriously clutched at if we are looking at SJ for the goal.

Sawyers, Phillips and Livermore to receive blame in equal measure on that one for getting nowhere near the guy before he pinged it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on August 22, 2019, 08:44:44 AM
The goal last night was the midfields fault and weren't much Johnstone could have done.

Fed up of seeing the negative comments to be honest. Johnstone is quite active on twitter and instagram and will see a lot of the negativity every day, you can imagine some of those comments will eventually get to him which in hindsight will start to affect his performances. I wouldn't mind if half the time he is to blame  ???

I have said it before, there aren't many keepers in the championship that I would have over SJ.

You only have to go and look at some of the goals Butland has conceded this season.

How about we actually support our goalkeeper, we have been spoilt with Foster for so long. Johnstone was asked to play out from the back at every occasion last year and they way we set up exposed him massively, this season we aren't so reliant on playing out all the time and he looks more comfortable. He also made the most saves in the division last year which again shows how open we were.

DM, Shan and now Bilic are all happy with him as our number 1, maybe some of the constant moaners should just let him concentrate on his football.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on August 22, 2019, 09:33:35 AM
I just feel that, if you so choose, you can blame a goalkeeper for almost any goal. Some are continually demanding that Bond gets a run. Think back to Milwall cup game. Was he so good? Just saying.....

He wasn't any worse though.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 22, 2019, 09:40:52 AM
A statto on twitter recon's that our Sam has the following stats
Appearances 52
Conceded 65
Conceded 15 of those from outside the area
Percentage conceded from outside the box = a worrying 23%
Discuss
(Edited) For my part I don't think he has had much of a chance with the last two goals conceded and as said below the defending has at times left him over exposed so pretty ambivalent about him TBH a bit flaky at times but generally OK

How many of that 23% could he have done anything about? If the midfielders are giving time and space for decent shots outside the box and not closing down that is my bigger concern.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 22, 2019, 09:53:43 AM
The goalkeeping coach needs to start doing his job properly.
Both Johnstone and Bond don't seem to be in control of their box when a set piece is taken.
Haveing said that, Bond needs to come and make Johnstone earn his place because Johnstone cannot see the possibility of shots from a distance and therefore doesn't react in time.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on August 22, 2019, 10:41:31 AM
From a personal perspective I think criticism of Johnstone for the goal is harsh.

Ejaria looked dangerous last night and was given the freedom of the Hawthorns, he composed himself and struck the ball well. As for comments that Johnstone had nothing else to do he made more saves than the Reading keeper, they had five on target to our four.

Considering we had 20 attempts on goal overall to their ten I was more concerned about last night's finishing than I was our keeping. Get more on target and we increase our chances of scoring, potentially negating debatable short comings elsewhere.

Johnstone generally used the ball well too, my only criticism being he hung on to it for too long on a couple of occasions. Thought he had a decent game in all, I also thought he looks leaner and quicker on his toes than last season.

I'm more concerned with Charlie Austin's lack of match sharpness than I am with Sam Johnstone's abilities in goal thus far. Hopefully both players go on to fulfill their potential with us this season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: divinewind on August 22, 2019, 12:36:34 PM
He isn't the best keeper we have had but he's not the worst. It was always gong to be hard following Foster.
Some people on FB couldn't wait to blame him for the goal last night, but i don't think there was much he could have done about it.
All keepers make mistakes, look at England keeper Butland's last night at Preston, if that had been Johnstone he would have been flayed alive.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 22, 2019, 12:49:25 PM
Blimey, straws being seriously clutched at if we are looking at SJ for the goal.

Sawyers, Phillips and Livermore to receive blame in equal measure on that one for getting nowhere near the guy before he pinged it.

This in bucket and spades.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on August 22, 2019, 01:02:23 PM
The goalkeeping coach needs to start doing his job properly.
Both Johnstone and Bond don't seem to be in control of their box when a set piece is taken.
Haveing said that, Bond needs to come and make Johnstone earn his place because Johnstone cannot see the possibility of shots from a distance and therefore doesn't react in time.

Is this a wind up DB?

Watch the shot last night in real time and tell me that Sam had enough time to get into the top left to save it. That was a class goal that would beat 100% of goalkeepers worldwide.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 22, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
It's  a beautiful thing that so many are choosing to protect Sam Johnstone
It's all about opinions and they are welcome to theirs..

It is interesting though that now there is that one thing to hold on too (apparently 10000% of all keepers ever wouldn't have saved last nights goal) that anybody who dares have criticism should be silenced and should not post on social because he goes on there

To be absolutely clear, I do not seek any scapegoat,I am not comparing to Foster, I want my club/team to be successful, I am aware that others in the squad are not perfect eitherr, and I could not give a rats that he played for the b6 bin dippers (so did SKP❤️).but just because people would prefer not to here any negatives does not mean the negatives are not there
He does not command his area
He is usually stuck to his line
There have been many times when his defenders have roasted him for not coming to collect
We never look like keeping a clean sheet
His percentage of goals conceded from range is far too high

Yet when you mention any of these you would think you have threatened him with violence or something the way some come back

Does anybody think this keeper is the best option we could achieve?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on August 22, 2019, 03:22:02 PM
It's  a beautiful thing that so many are choosing to protect Sam Johnstone
It's all about opinions and they are welcome to theirs..

It is interesting though that now there is that one thing to hold on too (apparently 10000% of all keepers ever wouldn't have saved last nights goal) that anybody who dares have criticism should be silenced and should not post on social because he goes on there

To be absolutely clear, I do not seek any scapegoat,I am not comparing to Foster, I want my club/team to be successful, I am aware that others in the squad are not perfect eitherr, and I could not give a rats that he played for the b6 bin dippers (so did SKP❤️).but just because people would prefer not to here any negatives does not mean the negatives are not there
He does not command his area
He is usually stuck to his line
There have been many times when his defenders have roasted him for not coming to collect
We never look like keeping a clean sheet
His percentage of goals conceded from range is far too high

Yet when you mention any of these you would think you have threatened him with violence or something the way some come back

Does anybody think this keeper is the best option we could achieve?

Seeing as you seem to be having a pop at me......

I agree with you in respect of the highlighted points. However, last night he was not at fault. We can throttle down on the 10000% you quote to 99.9% of keepers worldwide - had a keeper been in the unnatural position of a yard from his right post then yes, he would have had a chance, but he would probably be criticised for not commanding his line.......

Finally I think that there are better keepers out there, no issue with that. However, we have Sam Johnstone, and it seems to me that most think that every single goal we concede is his fault................ever so occasionally we get undone by a piece of class like last night.

But as you say, its all down to opinions.......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 22, 2019, 04:00:23 PM
A lot of shots go through him (forest game) and seldom does he come for crosses regardless how close they are to him or even if they are loopy (milwall)

The most annoying thing is many times he just stands and watches the ball hit the net, some goals last night it could be argued many would not save but if you don't even attempt to save it then you won't save it. Foster saved shots he had no right to save and did so because he made his dive and tried to. Goalies like all other positions will get some luck- some of the unstoppable things they may stop the same as the striker gets the lucky deflection for an outrageous effort.

I have no confidence in the bloke if the opposition have an effort from outside the box. Haven't seen enough to tell me he's any better than bond. Clean sheets can turn 1 to 3 points and that might be what sends us up. As not sure we will score anywhere near as many goals this year
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on August 22, 2019, 04:11:22 PM
I do think that football fans, in general, will, begrudgingly, give credit to a player they are not keen on, when he does do well, but they continue to monitor every minor detail of his game to find fault.

I really don't have any issue with that approach but would hope they are fair minded enough to apply the same standards to their favourites.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on August 22, 2019, 04:34:42 PM
Seeing as you seem to be having a pop at me......

I agree with you in respect of the highlighted points. However, last night he was not at fault. We can throttle down on the 10000% you quote to 99.9% of keepers worldwide - had a keeper been in the unnatural position of a yard from his right post then yes, he would have had a chance, but he would probably be criticised for not commanding his line.......

Finally I think that there are better keepers out there, no issue with that. However, we have Sam Johnstone, and it seems to me that most think that every single goal we concede is his fault................ever so occasionally we get undone by a piece of class like last night.

But as you say, its all down to opinions.......
Don't think anyone has blamed  Johnstone for last night's goal. Most agree that Sawyers (a fan's favourite) Phillips (a fan's favourite) and Livermore were more to blame, although a still on another thread seems to exonerate Livermore, which, considering he is far from a fan's favourite, seems pretty well balanced.
My problem with Johnstone is his lack of reaction. He doesn't even attempt to save it. Yes it was well hit but at least have a go. It happens all too often with shots from outside the box, he just doesn't react. Same with corners, he's just too static for me.
He's been pretty much the only constant in our back 5 over the last two seasons, defenders and coaches have changed yet the issues are still the same, with him as the common denominator.
For what it's worth, I think he was ok last night and his distribution has improved dramatically but he needs to be more alive to what's going on around him and control his area. It's always been said that goalies have to be a bit crazy, perhaps he's just too normal!!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KYA on August 22, 2019, 04:45:49 PM
I'm not a fan of Johnstones yet when some of our fans say he had nothing to do tonight and he still let a goal in it makes me cringe.
 I doubt many keepers would have saved that deflected shot through a crowd of players but eh he should have saved it he had nothing else to do all night, give me strength.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 22, 2019, 04:52:37 PM
I'll be honest, I'm not a big fan either, but I thought he was good last night.

He pulled of a couple of good saves, he came out to collect things, and it was generally a step in the right direction.

Hopefully he's feeling a bit more settled and can build on it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Joust on August 22, 2019, 05:00:50 PM
A statto on twitter recon's that our Sam has the following stats
Appearances 52
Conceded 65
Conceded 15 of those from outside the area
Percentage conceded from outside the box = a worrying 23%
Discuss
(Edited) For my part I don't think he has had much of a chance with the last two goals conceded and as said below the defending has at times left him over exposed so pretty ambivalent about him TBH a bit flaky at times but generally OK

The Rainbow Stand by any chance...?  ::)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jimmyj on August 22, 2019, 07:57:00 PM
The Rainbow Stand by any chance...?  ::)

I see Sam is giving some grief back to whoever that is.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 22, 2019, 08:15:00 PM
I see Sam is giving some grief back to whoever that is.


Much prefer him to concentrate on improving than biting back at the fans.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 22, 2019, 08:21:54 PM
Seeing as you seem to be having a pop at me......

I agree with you in respect of the highlighted points. However, last night he was not at fault. We can throttle down on the 10000% you quote to 99.9% of keepers worldwide - had a keeper been in the unnatural position of a yard from his right post then yes, he would have had a chance, but he would probably be criticised for not commanding his line.......

Finally I think that there are better keepers out there, no issue with that. However, we have Sam Johnstone, and it seems to me that most think that every single goal we concede is his fault................ever so occasionally we get undone by a piece of class like last night.

But as you say, its all down to opinions.......
Wasn't meaning it nasty, but 100% I'd doubt
He didn't even move....now in isolation most keepers wouldn't get stick for that one goal, but after forest and a failure to keep clean sheets and being beat often from distance ...it starts to mount up
Like I keep saying, I don't rate him, he's not good enough generally IMO
But what I really don't get is the people on social who are mentioning these "vicious attacks" on poor Sam .....it's not vicious it's people saying he doesn't come of his line
There's also the ones that state "he made a great save"....it's his job

I will keep saying
He doesn't get us clean sheets ....fulham and Leeds will pull away if we don't resolve
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on August 22, 2019, 08:22:36 PM
I see Sam is giving some grief back to whoever that is.

Sam Johnstone Twitter Account
Should save everything according to some ppl 😴 always positive 🙌🏼

I hardly think the above could conceivably be classed as “giving grief back”
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 22, 2019, 08:41:55 PM
I don't think Johnstone should be responding to fans on social media to be honest but I guess its hard when some have the agendas they do. Can see why they don't interact with fans much these days, not worth the hassle.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on August 22, 2019, 08:52:01 PM
Phil Neville calls for social media boycott to combat racist abuse. Who would blame any footballer who is subject to any form of abuse for closing their account?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jimmyj on August 22, 2019, 09:02:58 PM
Sam Johnstone Twitter Account
Should save everything according to some ppl 😴 always positive 🙌🏼

I hardly think the above could conceivably be classed as “giving grief back”

More this reply
Quote
Just like u want to pick up on negatives. U don’t rate me that’s fine, some do some don’t. That’s life. Must look so so easy from where u sit which I hope is behind the goal so u can nearly see what I and the team do. Ps, ur boring now. The end 🙂🙂

I'm all for the players having a right to reply myself. This has clearly inebriated Johnstone off, for him to reply in this manner.
 Fwiw I'm quite happy with him. He's not Ben Foster but not many people are. We were spoilt for years with Fozzy. Sam isn't at Fosters level, but very very few are. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: leeiswba on August 22, 2019, 09:04:40 PM
This going to be a case of fans slagging off players then get offended when they say something back, it tickles me massively when you seen fans giving it out then proper go off on one when one says something back to him ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 22, 2019, 09:14:55 PM
This going to be a case of fans slagging off players then get offended when they say something back, it tickles me massively when you seen fans giving it out then proper go off on one when one says something back to him ;D


So far it seems to be more of a case of fans criticising Johnstone then doing u-turn as soon as the man himself gets involved. Sycophants.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: royhan on August 22, 2019, 09:22:49 PM
When you are constantly in the public eye you stand the risk of being shot down in flames by social media if for some reason you don’t curry favour. If I was a top player I would not be on Facebook, Twitter or any such account.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: sing on our own on August 22, 2019, 09:40:39 PM
Never understand why people @ someone on twitter, debate is all good but never get personal. Although I dont think he helped himself celebrating Villa getting promoted did he, some players just never become popular.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: leeiswba on August 22, 2019, 09:46:50 PM

So far it seems to be more of a case of fans criticising Johnstone then doing u-turn as soon as the man himself gets involved. Sycophants.

I don’t. Particularly rate the bloke at all but I won’t be slaying him for the goal last night and I definitely won’t be slaying him for having a pop at fans giving him stick
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: leeiswba on August 22, 2019, 10:14:46 PM

Much prefer him to concentrate on improving than biting back at the fans.

Was 7pm when he replied. what do you want his missus to ping some volleys at him in the back garden?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wba_1996 on August 22, 2019, 10:49:07 PM
He's a scapegoat now. He's getting blamed for every goal we concede regardless of whether it's his fault or not.

I don't rate him that much, annoys me that he doesn't dive at times, think he is poor at dealing with long shots, but Jesus Christ the criticism is over the top.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 22, 2019, 11:15:17 PM
He's a scapegoat now. He's getting blamed for every goal we concede regardless of whether it's his fault or not.

I don't rate him that much, annoys me that he doesn't dive at times, think he is poor at dealing with long shots, but Jesus Christ the criticism is over the top.
No he’s not...re read your post...where’s the positive there in a GK?
From what I’ve seen about the goal last night people are not saying thatbhe(or others) could have saved it....but he didn’t move
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Baggies on August 22, 2019, 11:30:45 PM
Never understand why people @ someone on twitter, debate is all good but never get personal. Although I dont think he helped himself celebrating Villa getting promoted did he, some players just never become popular.

I don't either, a weird way of doing things, although in this case, I haven't seen any evidence that anyone did message Johnstone directly about last night. Seems that he found out about the tweets some other way (i'm guessing he searched his own name and it came up).
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on August 23, 2019, 12:10:34 AM
I don't think he' a scapegoat as such i think more and more people are just losing faith in him regardless of last nights goal.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on August 23, 2019, 01:31:02 AM
I'm with Oldbury on this. Why has he bothered replying? Why he's biting and calling fans boring because he doesn't like something they've said is beyond me. All players get stick.

As far as I'm concerned he's a decent GK. However he does have a lot of things he could improve on. And now getting into silly squabbles online is just needless.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on August 23, 2019, 07:33:03 AM
strikers and goalkeepers always attract the most criticism, any supporter thinking a striker will score every chance that he gets and the keeper never concedes is in for a disappointment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 23, 2019, 08:18:53 AM
His reactions on Twitter are quicker than between the sticks.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 23, 2019, 09:24:17 AM
This thread reads like a who's who of snowflakes, can you show me where on the doll the goalkeeper touched you? If someone directly criticises you in public you have every right to give stick back.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mister AT on August 23, 2019, 09:34:38 AM
The bloke who runs that WBA rainbow stand account is abit of loose cannon anyway. Seen him have fall outs with numerous WBA fans and ends up just blocking them.

I questioned him on the Sam Johnstone comments, providing him stats about SJ season last year and when he mentioned about him being better with shots from outside the box, I asked him to provide me with some examples where he thinks it should be saved (taking into account if the defender/midfielder hasn't closed down, i.e Reading goal). Still waiting for his reply  ::)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 23, 2019, 10:13:55 AM
This thread reads like a who's who of snowflakes, can you show me where on the doll the goalkeeper touched you? If someone directly criticises you in public you have every right to give stick back.

Bugger all to do with being a snowflake. Yes he has the right to have a go back but he's a professional footballer, why waste his time? theres always going to be someone having a go at him no matter what club he goes to. Is it worth spending so much of your time replying to them all? Once you start doing biting you open yourself up to even more of it, its just pointless.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on August 23, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
Not sure taking into account closing down is really that useful.  Sure if someone has blasted it into the top corner, but quite often a defender in the way obscures the shot too.  It should be a simple case of "do you think he should have saved that?".  For example, the Forest goal in the first game, he should save that.  It doesn't matter that Bartley didn't close down like he should - it wasn't a rocket into the corner, Johnstone simply didn't move his feet enough.   It was very similar to Butland's first the other night (for Johnstone's the ball is a little bit further away from him) and that was written off as a keeper error immediately. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: divinewind on August 23, 2019, 12:13:01 PM
I don't think Johnstone should be responding to fans on social media to be honest but I guess its hard when some have the agendas they do. Can see why they don't interact with fans much these days, not worth the hassle.

I totally agree with this. In the old days the tough managers like Shankly and Clough would never allow it and the players would be disciplined heavily. I don't think Megson would have put up with it.
But the world has changed and now we even have the  President of America tweeting about what he's going to do.
The internet is a wonderful thing but can also be dangerous when you get people without a brain going on it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tylerm on August 23, 2019, 12:34:12 PM
Fans think it’s OK to dish out abuse but it’s not right for the player to respond. Don’t blame Sam for responding and that Rainbow stand bloke has quickly toned down his views. If you dish it out be prepared to take it back. Eric Cantana had the best response
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: 17GD on August 23, 2019, 01:07:02 PM
Fans think it’s OK to dish out abuse but it’s not right for the player to respond. Don’t blame Sam for responding and that Rainbow stand bloke has quickly toned down his views. If you dish it out be prepared to take it back. Eric Cantana had the best response

I disagree. Eric had no right to assault someone, it doesn't matter what was said. And it's not about dishing out or taking it back. It's about a professional acting in an unprofessional manner. If someone is being abusive for the sake of it, then he should be ignoring it. But he was criticised and it hit a nerve. Then he goes highlighting fans lack of football skills and leaving a turd emoji. No need.

I used to session drum for a touring band. I got into a dispute after someone was being insulting. After a discussion with the manager, I had to apologise even though I wasn't in the wrong. Was it fair? Not at all. But the band image came before personal image/pride. That side of things comes with being in the spotlight and signing autographs everywhere you go.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on August 23, 2019, 01:08:21 PM
Fans think it’s OK to dish out abuse but it’s not right for the player to respond. Don’t blame Sam for responding and that Rainbow stand bloke has quickly toned down his views. If you dish it out be prepared to take it back. Eric Cantana had the best response
Yes! So easy for these Internet hardmen to hide behind a computer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on August 23, 2019, 01:23:53 PM
Having read the thread on tw@tter then for what it's worth I really don't think SJ's taken it to heart. As an aside and to counter the negatives there's a lot of positive comments for him to focus on if he so chooses.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbako on August 23, 2019, 01:40:07 PM
His reactions on Twitter are quicker than between the sticks.

 :D :D

I hope he doesn't see this, otherwise you're in for it!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 23, 2019, 03:59:07 PM
Don't blame him at all for having a go back, too many just waiting to slag him off, if the ball ends in the back of the net, straight away you will see a derogatory Johnstone comment, it's too easy and often poorly considered.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Adamstv on August 23, 2019, 05:35:41 PM
Imagine if we had Jack Butland in goal! A goalkeeper s life is not an easy one.  Hi is distributing of the ball gas improved and he had no chance of Reading goal
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Windmill Baggy on August 23, 2019, 06:40:40 PM
The bloke who runs that WBA rainbow stand account is abit of loose cannon anyway. Seen him have fall outs with numerous WBA fans and ends up just blocking them.

I questioned him on the Sam Johnstone comments, providing him stats about SJ season last year and when he mentioned about him being better with shots from outside the box, I asked him to provide me with some examples where he thinks it should be saved (taking into account if the defender/midfielder hasn't closed down, i.e Reading goal). Still waiting for his reply  ::)

I've watched all the goals from last season and including the play-offs, we conceded 64 goals in 48 games.

Of those 64 goals I counted 12 which were scored from outside the box. They were as follows:

v Forest (a) - Guendioura - took a deflection on way through giving SJ no chance.
v Stoke (h) - Pieters - Powerful strike, right in the top far corner of the goal, SJ no chance.
v Preston (a) - Hughes - Free-kick just outside the box. Low, powerful, SJ is unsighted, and has little chance.
v Sheff Wed. (a) - Reach - A worldie. SJ with no chance.
v Derby (h) - Wilson - low in the far corner - SJ doesn't dive. Could he have made an attempt? Possibly.
v Blackburn (h) - Reed - A great strike following bad defensive play. SJ left with little chance.
v Villa (a) - El Ghazi - Great strike, swerves into top corner, SJ with little to no chance.
v Leeds (a) - Hernandez - Another great strike, high and wide and still rising as it goes in, SJ little chance
v Millwall (a) - Tunnicliffe - low and almost straight at SJ, who misjudges it. This seems to be an obvious error.
v Hull (h) - Kane - Well struck, but seems to go through SJ's hands. Was he unsighted? Questionable 'keeping.
v Hull (h) - Kane - A whipped in cross which goes over SJ and into top far corner of goal. SJ seems at fault here.
v Villa (a) - Houriane - Good strike after defence gives him time to shoot, SJ with little chance.

So from those 12 there is no more than 1 obvious error, and only 2 others where Johnstone's 'keeping was a little suspect. The other 9 left him little to no chance, all being similar quality strikes to the one scored by Ejario for Reading on Wednesday.

As to the other 52 goals conceded, IMO SJ stands little chance with the vast majority, with certainly no obvious costly error such as the one for the goal conceded at Forest this season.

I just can't see the reason for such criticism of him on long-shots having gone over the goals.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 23, 2019, 07:23:57 PM
I couldn't care less what he does on twitter which is a side-show. The only important thing is his performances which haven't been good enough and will be one the reasons we fail to gain promotion IMV. Hence I want him dropped for Bond.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 23, 2019, 07:26:08 PM
I couldn't care less what he does on twitter which is a side-show. The only important thing is his performances which haven't been good enough and will be one the reasons we fail to gain promotion IMV. Hence I want him dropped for Bond.
Yow spouting abuse cocker 😂😂
I agree wholeheartedly....forget the side story about people blindly sticking up for him in the hope of getting a scarf signed
He quite simply is not good enough
No scapegoat, no agenda , no abuse ......just not up to it at the level we need
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on August 23, 2019, 07:39:33 PM
I've watched all the goals from last season and including the play-offs, we conceded 64 goals in 48 games.

Of those 64 goals I counted 12 which were scored from outside the box. They were as follows:

v Forest (a) - Guendioura - took a deflection on way through giving SJ no chance.
v Stoke (h) - Pieters - Powerful strike, right in the top far corner of the goal, SJ no chance.
v Preston (a) - Hughes - Free-kick just outside the box. Low, powerful, SJ is unsighted, and has little chance.
v Sheff Wed. (a) - Reach - A worldie. SJ with no chance.
v Derby (h) - Wilson - low in the far corner - SJ doesn't dive. Could he have made an attempt? Possibly.
v Blackburn (h) - Reed - A great strike following bad defensive play. SJ left with little chance.
v Villa (a) - El Ghazi - Great strike, swerves into top corner, SJ with little to no chance.
v Leeds (a) - Hernandez - Another great strike, high and wide and still rising as it goes in, SJ little chance
v Millwall (a) - Tunnicliffe - low and almost straight at SJ, who misjudges it. This seems to be an obvious error.
v Hull (h) - Kane - Well struck, but seems to go through SJ's hands. Was he unsighted? Questionable 'keeping.
v Hull (h) - Kane - A whipped in cross which goes over SJ and into top far corner of goal. SJ seems at fault here.
v Villa (a) - Houriane - Good strike after defence gives him time to shoot, SJ with little chance.

So from those 12 there is no more than 1 obvious error, and only 2 others where Johnstone's 'keeping was a little suspect. The other 9 left him little to no chance, all being similar quality strikes to the one scored by Ejario for Reading on Wednesday.

As to the other 52 goals conceded, IMO SJ stands little chance with the vast majority, with certainly no obvious costly error such as the one for the goal conceded at Forest this season.

I just can't see the reason for such criticism of him on long-shots having gone over the goals.


Should have saved that apparently..... in the nano second he had to react  :D

Thank you for putting this together BTW - most interesting
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 23, 2019, 08:39:28 PM
I've watched all the goals from last season and including the play-offs, we conceded 64 goals in 48 games.

Of those 64 goals I counted 12 which were scored from outside the box. They were as follows:

v Forest (a) - Guendioura - took a deflection on way through giving SJ no chance.
v Stoke (h) - Pieters - Powerful strike, right in the top far corner of the goal, SJ no chance.
v Preston (a) - Hughes - Free-kick just outside the box. Low, powerful, SJ is unsighted, and has little chance.
v Sheff Wed. (a) - Reach - A worldie. SJ with no chance.
v Derby (h) - Wilson - low in the far corner - SJ doesn't dive. Could he have made an attempt? Possibly.
v Blackburn (h) - Reed - A great strike following bad defensive play. SJ left with little chance.
v Villa (a) - El Ghazi - Great strike, swerves into top corner, SJ with little to no chance.
v Leeds (a) - Hernandez - Another great strike, high and wide and still rising as it goes in, SJ little chance
v Millwall (a) - Tunnicliffe - low and almost straight at SJ, who misjudges it. This seems to be an obvious error.
v Hull (h) - Kane - Well struck, but seems to go through SJ's hands. Was he unsighted? Questionable 'keeping.
v Hull (h) - Kane - A whipped in cross which goes over SJ and into top far corner of goal. SJ seems at fault here.
v Villa (a) - Houriane - Good strike after defence gives him time to shoot, SJ with little chance.

So from those 12 there is no more than 1 obvious error, and only 2 others where Johnstone's 'keeping was a little suspect. The other 9 left him little to no chance, all being similar quality strikes to the one scored by Ejario for Reading on Wednesday.

As to the other 52 goals conceded, IMO SJ stands little chance with the vast majority, with certainly no obvious costly error such as the one for the goal conceded at Forest this season.

I just can't see the reason for such criticism of him on long-shots having gone over the goals.
Much appreciated Windmill Thank you
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 23, 2019, 08:39:47 PM
I've watched all the goals from last season and including the play-offs, we conceded 64 goals in 48 games.

Of those 64 goals I counted 12 which were scored from outside the box. They were as follows:

v Forest (a) - Guendioura - took a deflection on way through giving SJ no chance.
v Stoke (h) - Pieters - Powerful strike, right in the top far corner of the goal, SJ no chance.
v Preston (a) - Hughes - Free-kick just outside the box. Low, powerful, SJ is unsighted, and has little chance.
v Sheff Wed. (a) - Reach - A worldie. SJ with no chance.
v Derby (h) - Wilson - low in the far corner - SJ doesn't dive. Could he have made an attempt? Possibly.
v Blackburn (h) - Reed - A great strike following bad defensive play. SJ left with little chance.
v Villa (a) - El Ghazi - Great strike, swerves into top corner, SJ with little to no chance.
v Leeds (a) - Hernandez - Another great strike, high and wide and still rising as it goes in, SJ little chance
v Millwall (a) - Tunnicliffe - low and almost straight at SJ, who misjudges it. This seems to be an obvious error.
v Hull (h) - Kane - Well struck, but seems to go through SJ's hands. Was he unsighted? Questionable 'keeping.
v Hull (h) - Kane - A whipped in cross which goes over SJ and into top far corner of goal. SJ seems at fault here.
v Villa (a) - Houriane - Good strike after defence gives him time to shoot, SJ with little chance.

So from those 12 there is no more than 1 obvious error, and only 2 others where Johnstone's 'keeping was a little suspect. The other 9 left him little to no chance, all being similar quality strikes to the one scored by Ejario for Reading on Wednesday.

As to the other 52 goals conceded, IMO SJ stands little chance with the vast majority, with certainly no obvious costly error such as the one for the goal conceded at Forest this season.

I just can't see the reason for such criticism of him on long-shots having gone over the goals.

Excellent Analysis of the game, thanks for taking the time. I don't think he is better than Foster who is a Premier League goal keeper but in this division he is one of the best; but sadly the current boo boy now Brunt and HRK are out of the team.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KYA on August 23, 2019, 08:54:09 PM
Naming no names but there are certain people on here whose glass always seems half-empty .....
Goalies get the blame for any goal irrespective of the quality of the shot
Defenders are to blame for any goal
Midfielders should be capable of any pass and stop every opposition attack
Strikers should put away every half -chance
Naturally, some players will get stick more than others when trying to achieve the above.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on August 23, 2019, 09:28:27 PM
Naming no names but there are certain people on here whose glass always seems half-empty .....
Goalies get the blame for any goal irrespective of the quality of the shot
Defenders are to blame for any goal
Midfielders should be capable of any pass and stop every opposition attack
Strikers should put away every half -chance
Naturally, some players will get stick more than others when trying to achieve the above.

I completely agree with this. Some posters on here aren't happy unless they are moaning at something.
SJ seems to be the latest hot subject. Its a moveable feast for these people.
Do these people go around moaning at things in general in life, outside of football, I often wonder...
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
I completely agree with this. Some posters on here aren't happy unless they are moaning at something.
SJ seems to be the latest hot subject. Its a moveable feast for these people.
Do these people go around moaning at things in general in life, outside of football, I often wonder...
A lot of this is to say what is seen.
If we hide our heads in sand, just like like the old management team...
Nothing gets done.
Whisper behind your hand...
Nothing gets done.
At work if you just loan to yourself...
Nothing gets done.
Moan quietly to your mate...
Nothing gets done.
If someone in authority takes just a glancing peep at this board...
Possibly something may be noticed.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 23, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
That last post was unfortunately stopped for some reason.
Maybe my site?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on August 23, 2019, 10:08:43 PM

If someone in authority takes just a glancing peep at this board...
Possibly something may be noticed.
If any club management was to take serious action on advice from any board, they would be doomed.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 23, 2019, 10:10:03 PM
I have noticed that the some of the most consistent critics of Johnstone, Livermore, Bartley, Harper, etc, are regular posters on the
"In Game Chat" thread , i.e they are not at the game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 23, 2019, 10:17:56 PM
A lot of this is to say what is seen.
If we hide our heads in sand, just like like the old management team...
Nothing gets done.
Whisper behind your hand...
Nothing gets done.
At work if you just loan to yourself...
Nothing gets done.
Moan quietly to your mate...
Nothing gets done.
If someone in authority takes just a glancing peep at this board...
Possibly something may be noticed.

You think a professional decision maker at the club would not notice what's wrong on the pitch, but instead needs some poster on the internet to do that for them is the most deluded thing I have heard this week.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: eddiethebeagle on August 23, 2019, 11:08:12 PM
I don’t post a lot. But I don’t understand.

If we drop Johnstone (I’m not saying we should) and put Bond in....

And he has a few good games then makes a few questionable
decisions...what do we do? Ask a Sam Johnstone whose confidence is by then destroyed for being dropped to step back in?

Overall, Seems somewhat  short sighted to suggest Sam gets dropped. Let him get used a little to the fact the defence aren’t stitching him right up this season (thankfully so far) and see how that goes?

I don’t think Sam is a problem at all. Scoring goals and breaking teams down is the issue.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2019, 03:23:30 AM
I don’t post a lot. But I don’t understand.

If we drop Johnstone (I’m not saying we should) and put Bond in....

And he has a few good games then makes a few questionable
decisions...what do we do? Ask a Sam Johnstone whose confidence is by then destroyed for being dropped to step back in?

Overall, Seems somewhat  short sighted to suggest Sam gets dropped. Let him get used a little to the fact the defence aren’t stitching him right up this season (thankfully so far) and see how that goes?

I don’t think Sam is a problem at all. Scoring goals and breaking teams down is the issue.

You don't think SJ is a problem. How many clean sheets has he kept? Maybe your comfortable with another season in the championship, I'm not. Also, how can you think he's a confident professional footballer and at the same time claim he would be "destroyed" by being dropped for Bond, rendering him unable to play a game a football that he has practised his whole life. Sorry this is nonsense. Professional footballers range between the sublime and the ridiculous. Johnson is bang average and not what we need. That doesn't need a psychology class or a list of pathetic excuses. If Johnson wants plaudits from the stands he can start by playing well. Not rocket science.

P.S. I know the above is a bit aggressive but it's not a personal dig. I'm just a bit annoyed at the endless excuse list that fans come up with for players who aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on August 24, 2019, 11:57:02 AM
You don't think SJ is a problem. How many clean sheets has he kept?
Criticism comes in many forms.
However, to blame one player, in a team game, for not achieving a scoreline (which in itself is meaningless) sounds very harsh to me.
Maybe your comfortable with another season in the championship, I'm not.
Johnson is bang average and not what we need.
I too am very apprehensive about WBA getting stuck in the Championship morass, but I don't think I can wholly blame SJ for the club's predicament.
SJ may not be the best in the world, but 'bang average', does not do him justice. Average compared to who exactly?  Just because you make claims does not make them true (or fair).
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: slate on August 24, 2019, 12:15:28 PM
I think that we have been spoiled by Ben Foster. He's head and shoulders above any other keeper I can remember at the Albion  in the past 40 years and Johnstone is always going to have a hard time living up to that. It's not just the shot-stopping but moreso the command of area and defense organisation that we clearly missed when he went.

Johnstone is probably a "top half of championship" goalkeeper though. Not the best and not the worst. On the basis that we need to be pushing for automatic promotion this season, the goalkeeping position is, aside from another striker, the place where we should strengthen in January if a) the right player is available and b) we have any money to spend.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: eddiethebeagle on August 24, 2019, 12:27:20 PM
You don't think SJ is a problem. How many clean sheets has he kept? Maybe your comfortable with another season in the championship, I'm not. Also, how can you think he's a confident professional footballer and at the same time claim he would be "destroyed" by being dropped for Bond, rendering him unable to play a game a football that he has practised his whole life. Sorry this is nonsense. Professional footballers range between the sublime and the ridiculous. Johnson is bang average and not what we need. That doesn't need a psychology class or a list of pathetic excuses. If Johnson wants plaudits from the stands he can start by playing well. Not rocket science.

P.S. I know the above is a bit aggressive but it's not a personal dig. I'm just a bit annoyed at the endless excuse list that fans come up with for players who aren't good enough.

I don’t think I’ve made any excuses. I’m saying we have two goalkeepers at the current time. There may not be much to choose between them - jury is still out on that one in any event as Bond hasn’t had a run of games. Didn’t cover himself in glory for the Millwall cup game.

I also think the clean sheet argument is subjective. How many mistakes did the outfield players make last season leaving him 1 on 1 and exposed?

Could we upgrade on him? Absolutely.
Could we do so now? No
Is it a priority? Not for me- Goalscoring is more of a priority.
Is it worth dropping him and bringing Bond in? In my opinion- No. Not at the current time.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wba_1996 on August 24, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
I can't believe he only saved one of the penalties today. Awful keeper who has cost us another 2 points.

Am I doing it right?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2019, 03:16:14 PM
Almost, you forgot to mention his pathetically slow distribution of the half time cuppa!
Which I am sure our boards experts will be all too aware of
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2019, 03:18:21 PM
I was much happier with SJ's performance today. Excellent penalty save and although he didn't have great deal to do he seemed a lot more switched on and proactive. He even caught a cross. His best game this season so far.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2019, 03:41:26 PM
I was much happier with SJ's performance today. Excellent penalty save and although he didn't have great deal to do he seemed a lot more switched on and proactive. He even caught a cross. His best game this season so far.
May I also agree with you?
He had a decent game today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Blowee on August 24, 2019, 03:52:45 PM
Would be my MoM today. Not just for the penalty save, he commanded around the edge of the area too and was alert when called on although for long periods he wasn't involved.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Barrington on August 24, 2019, 03:57:28 PM
Good performance from Johnstone today in general + added points for a very good penalty save. Can't knock him today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2019, 04:20:40 PM
Played very well today. Credit where it is due. Hopefully give him some confidence.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 24, 2019, 04:27:05 PM
Almost, you forgot to mention his pathetically slow distribution of the half time cuppa!
Which I am sure our boards experts will be all too aware of
But it’s only those who mention his weakness that are being unfair or daft?

Thought he had a good game today, more than the pen save I was really pleased to see him come and claim crosses, maybe he needed to get angry?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: divinewind on August 24, 2019, 05:50:11 PM
But it’s only those who mention his weakness that are being unfair or daft?

Thought he had a good game today, more than the pen save I was really pleased to see him come and claim crosses, maybe he needed to get angry?

Maybe the criticism of him gave him a kick up the backside. But it can also destroy a players confidence. It can make him be fearful of making the tiniest error for fear of being slated.
Albion fans seem to have at least one first team player they love to hate.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on August 24, 2019, 05:53:12 PM
If Sam put in a performance like this every match there would be no criticism from me. He was boss in his area, he read the game well and came off his line to deal with possible danger, and his distribution was generally good and timely. Oh and he did the extra and saved the penalty that should not have been given. From one of your greatest critics may I say very well done sir. Long may you continue to prove me wrong
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2019, 06:31:49 PM
Good to see balanced views on here, yes some players need an arm, some need a bollocking, maybe Sam needs a point to prove
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 24, 2019, 06:40:06 PM
Looked like he had a point to prove today. Great pen save and a few other decent ones in reality as good as won us a point today as a second goal would have killed us.

Well done SJ
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 24, 2019, 07:20:55 PM
Much better from him on all accounts. Decisive, quick off his line and some good saves to keep us in the game.

Well done. More of it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2019, 09:25:46 PM
From what I saw he was better today. Tip of the hat for that and a good penalty save !
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on August 24, 2019, 09:36:39 PM
Much better today, keep it up.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on August 24, 2019, 09:47:27 PM
I've been critical but he was very good today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hunsletbaggie on August 24, 2019, 09:58:02 PM
To be fair today he looked really good thought his sweeping up around the edge of the box was excellent.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 24, 2019, 10:21:57 PM
Played well today, glad he made the penalty save and started doing his talking on the pitch. Next stop, consistency please.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 24, 2019, 10:23:28 PM
A good day at the office.
Carry on.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on August 25, 2019, 08:24:43 AM
Much better from him on all accounts. Decisive, quick off his line and some good saves to keep us in the game.

Well done. More of it.

My thoughts exactly, more like the keeper i thought he was when we signed him. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbako on August 25, 2019, 10:59:10 AM
I've been critical of Sam in the past, but he was outstanding yesterday. I want to see this level of performance regularly moving forward.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2019, 12:25:23 PM
I'm sure he always gives 100%, one thing is for sure, continual sniping from the side lines will not improve performance levels.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on August 25, 2019, 03:35:43 PM
How many penalties has Sam saved since joining us?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on August 25, 2019, 04:21:23 PM
How many penalties has Sam saved since joining us?

I believe it’s 4 but that’s off the top of my head so I stand to be corrected
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 25, 2019, 05:50:32 PM
How many penalties has Sam saved since joining us?


None when it really mattered last May  ;)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 25, 2019, 07:57:49 PM

None when it really mattered last May  ;)
True, and your mate might have scored one, but he went missing  ;)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on August 25, 2019, 11:40:15 PM
I'm sure he always gives 100%, one thing is for sure, continual sniping from the side lines will not improve performance levels.
It has done the job after playing very well on Saturday. I think people are getting carried away with the "comments made" about his goalkeeping.
It is a "forum" and sometimes these comments can help improve a players game or attitude.
We all want him to improve...he is part of the "Baggies Family"and hopefully he will have an outstanding season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lindenbaggie on August 26, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
Maybe the criticism of him gave him a kick up the backside. But it can also destroy a players confidence. It can make him be fearful of making the tiniest error for fear of being slated.
Albion fans seem to have at least one first team player they love to hate.

From experience, and I'm going back to 1969, the fans you speak about in general don't even go to matches. How do we know these "fans" on social media are Albion or other teams' supporters? They just seem to be troublesome keyboard operators looking and receiving attention from the many media outlets, not only locally, but national and international.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 26, 2019, 09:45:26 PM
From experience, and I'm going back to 1969, the fans you speak about in general don't even go to matches. How do we know these "fans" on social media are Albion or other teams' supporters? They just seem to be troublesome keyboard operators looking and receiving attention from the many media outlets, not only locally, but national and international.
And how did you come by the results of the survey?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 26, 2019, 09:54:25 PM
Maybe the criticism of him gave him a kick up the backside. But it can also destroy a players confidence. It can make him be fearful of making the tiniest error for fear of being slated.
Albion fans seem to have at least one first team player they love to hate.
I think you meant some football fans tend to pick on a player regardless of performance. In all my years supporting Albion, I’ve never hated any of our players. I’ve never heard an Albion fan declare it. I’ve only hated Bryan Robson after he left, but only for a while.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 26, 2019, 09:58:40 PM
And how did you come by the results of the survey?
It’s common knowledge. Some of them are not actually human.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on August 27, 2019, 07:32:56 AM
It’s common knowledge. Some of them are not actually human.
;D So there is "LIFE ON MARS"as Bowie asked?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 27, 2019, 08:55:56 AM
And how did you come by the results of the survey?

87.5% of stats are made up.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 27, 2019, 08:40:54 PM
87.5% of stats are made up.
What about the other 46.7% ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on August 28, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
72.35% of those are made up as well
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on August 28, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
99% of his critics agree he had a good game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on August 31, 2019, 08:29:10 PM
Another error. How many more. Having the odd good game isn't enough.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 01, 2019, 12:51:36 AM
I'll take the pelters
He's terrible, looks like he's won a competition to play for us.
How many we we have to score this year because we know we can't do clean sheets ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on September 01, 2019, 08:12:50 AM
De Gea has one clean sheet in 20, does that make him terrible?

Football is no longer about clean sheet, look around the leagues and you’ll see that.

This lad takes far too much stick and it’s absokutely ridiculous. Just because folk don’t like him playing short (although his distribution is very good) and his name isn’t Ben Foster.

I don’t see anyone moaning at how good his pass was to Furlong for our second yesterday.

Yes his error for the second goal, and that was poor; but he must seriously hate playing at our place due to some of the Albion lot he has behind him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on September 01, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
HThis lad takes far too much stick and it’s absokutely ridiculous. Just because folk don’t like him playing short (although his distribution is very good) and his name isn’t Ben Foster.

His keeping for the second Blackburn goal was shocking, how a goalkeeper isn’t capable of picking the ball up off the ground is beyond me. He’s getting stick for awful performances which is down to him. I praised him for his game at Derby. Yesterday sadly he reverted to type. 1 good game in 6 so far. It’s becoming comical.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on September 01, 2019, 09:36:13 AM
His performances week in and week out are just not good enough. It is as simple as that. No one hates him or wants to see him fail we all support the same club but absolutely no chance we can kep turning a blind eye to the fact that he's not a top goalkeeper even at this level.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on September 01, 2019, 09:38:21 AM
I can see Al Habsi replacing Johnstone soon. He's been brought in for a reason. Obviously, what happens in training doesn't convince Slaven that Bond is worth replacing Johnstone with but Al Habsi is a proven, experienced goalkeeper.

Wouldn't surprise me to see him replacing Sam after the international break.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on September 01, 2019, 09:39:35 AM
Didn't see him rushing to Twitter with silly comments after yesterday's goal.

In all seriousness that error let Blackburn right back in it after a very dominant display and shifted the momentum in the second half.

It isn't just Sam, but the whole defence that isn't filling me with any confidence at the moment. That's another silly set piece conceded from and we gifted them their first as well.

On a more positive note, Sam played some great balls forward with his feet, one of them setting up our second. If only he practiced a bit more at catching too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on September 01, 2019, 09:52:56 AM
Whilst yes the second was awful, Livermore should not be excused from that debacle. His “marking” was woeful and allowed the lad a free header at the back post. Whilst this didn’t lead to the goal, we should not overlook it.

Other than yesterday though I’m struggling to find a goal directly caused by Johnstone?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on September 01, 2019, 10:15:00 AM
Whilst yes the second was awful, Livermore should not be excused from that debacle. His “marking” was woeful and allowed the lad a free header at the back post. Whilst this didn’t lead to the goal, we should not overlook it.

Other than yefsterday though I’m struggling to find a goal directly caused by Johnstone?
Forest's goal , Bartley a fraction late closing down but its Sam's near post and a long way out . Add to that it goes under his hands.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on September 01, 2019, 10:23:15 AM


Other than yesterday though I’m struggling to find a goal directly caused by Johnstone?


Forest away. If you go back to last season there are too many to mention.

Six games in, Johnstone at fault for two goals that's 1 in every 3 games, Bartley at fault for at least three that's 1 in 2.

Unfortunately, and it's not hating or anything like that, neither are good enough over a period of time to justify being first choice starters in a team looking to get promotion. They are the type to bring in if you need them for a game or two and will do a job but they are not consistently good enough. Clean sheets will always be a rarity for a team who has individuals making consistent errors at the back.

Criticism is good as long as it's constructive and justifiable, in fact it's imperative. If you just accept everything as it is you will never progress.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on September 01, 2019, 10:35:25 AM
To me Johnstone is a slighty above average keeper at this level , to be involved in a promotion chase you need slightly better .
Its no good playing very well at Derby then spilling a basic ball the next game and that does appear to be a pattern with him.
He's not bad but on occasions just lacking that special save here and there to get us out of trouble .
Following Foster was always going to be hard.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on September 01, 2019, 11:29:09 AM
He was also lucky with the disallowed goal yesterday. He was too power puff, knocked over way too easily. Keepers need to be big and strong. He is like a limp lettuce. Doesn't seem to have the 'I'm getting that ball no matter who I have to go through' attitude. He needs to be dropped im afraid. No good having replacements if you never use them. It sends the wrong message out.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on September 01, 2019, 12:10:35 PM
Absolutely right. If he can play as poorly as he does and knows he isn't getting dropped he doesn't need the desire to improve.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 01, 2019, 01:42:54 PM
De Gea has one clean sheet in 20, does that make him terrible?

Football is no longer about clean sheet, look around the leagues and you’ll see that.

This lad takes far too much stick and it’s absokutely ridiculous. Just because folk don’t like him playing short (although his distribution is very good) and his name isn’t Ben Foster.

I don’t see anyone moaning at how good his pass was to Furlong for our second yesterday.

Yes his error for the second goal, and that was poor; but he must seriously hate playing at our place due to some of the Albion lot he has behind him.
Firstly you are mentioning De Gea and Johnstone together .....whereas I wouldn't
Secondly , I don't blame him at all for playing out short from the back, that will be deliberate tactical directions
Flapping at crosses, droppingballs, not moving when someone strikes etc etc....that's where I get annoyed......
But of course we can blame the bloke in the rainbow that threw the ball back too fast 20 mins before the second goal.....
The point is , he isn't very good, he scares the defenders , Livermore had a right go at him yesterday, Gibbs the other week , countless players last season

I'll say agin, I don't know him, I don't hate him, I don't care he played for the bin dippers , I don't give a flying f&&& that he is a nice bloke ........people can keep sticking up for him but what you see can't lie, he doesn't command his area and he gets beat/makes too many gaffs
I didn't ironically cheer yesterday when he finally realised he wasn't glued to his line....but I really understand why so many did....it wasn't 1 or 2 ....it was hundreds , do we think they are all wrong?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 01, 2019, 03:00:17 PM
His inability to catch the ball for the second goal and then creating a panic across the rest of the box is pathetic.

The sarcastic jeering of when he claimed a catch in the second half was even worse. Does not help anybody.

Now the crowd are having a pop we may as well bring his career here to an end
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on September 01, 2019, 03:02:33 PM
I think that a defence needs to work together as one unit. That is as much about communication as it is ability. The best defences form one tight unit, where everybody knows what to do in given situations. The other defenders must be confident in knowing when their keeper is coming out for the ball. Foster's importance was much down to that as his shot stopping ability.
I'm not close enough to the action to know exactly what is going on between our defenders, but it doesn't seem like a tight, confident unit.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 01, 2019, 05:47:08 PM
The comment about him being a slightly above average keeper at this level is spot on.  He's not awful but, even those who defend him, can you honestly say when there's an effort at goal you think "the keeper will stop that one"?  If he makes the save it's more of a surprise than when he doesn't.  Just like when Gayle\K Phillips pulls the trigger in a good position you think 'goal' whereas HRK does it and you're like "errr.... will it?".

The first one yesterday is case in point, good keepers will save that and bail you out of trouble, other keepers will concede it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on September 01, 2019, 07:04:01 PM
His inability to catch the ball for the second goal and then creating a panic across the rest of the box is pathetic.

The sarcastic jeering of when he claimed a catch in the second half was even worse. Does not help anybody.

Now the crowd are having a pop we may as well bring his career here to an end


Scott Carson all over again! Bang on the money Liam.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on September 01, 2019, 07:07:45 PM
Untill he has a settled defence infront of him i'll stay 50% 50% on him but his time to shine must be this season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2019, 07:57:35 PM
Untill he has a settled defence infront of him i'll stay 50% 50% on him but his time to shine must be this season.

Works both ways. Swap him and Bartley for Al Habsi and Hegazi and we'd see a big improvement.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2019, 08:19:10 PM
As I said earlier on social media. Beginning of the end when the home fans turn vocally. We'll be in the market in January, won't deny I'm pleased by that but I'd prefer it not to be the crowds decision.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: darbolina on September 01, 2019, 08:30:51 PM
That was a bad goal to concede yesterday. Al Habsi is 37 so will hopefully either be able to step in to the first team or he can help to settle Johnstone down somehow. There seems to be a very good (technical) keeper in there but (painfully similar to Carson), there seems to almost be a mental issue there which is maybe confidence, focus or maybe complacency related  - which means he's not quite there.

I'd personally take him out of the team for a bit and hope this helps him get his focus / desire back. He's still very young for a keeper and should improve in all areas. In a couple of years time, he could become a top keeper but the way he's going he'll fall away.......

I do think we were massively spoilt by Ben Foster too who was the best keeper we've ever had............I'm not sure there are many better keepers in the championship than Johnstone at the moment?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on September 01, 2019, 08:41:41 PM
As I said earlier on social media. Beginning of the end when the home fans turn vocally. We'll be in the market in January, won't deny I'm pleased by that but I'd prefer it not to be the crowds decision.

Nonsense. Brunt, Barry, Livermore, Bartley amongst countless others have been vocally opposed by the crowd at times, and all of them remain valuable senior players to the club (and those are just examples of current players). 3 good games and Johnstones a hero at the Hawthorns, football fans (including ours) are very fickle.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on September 01, 2019, 08:46:42 PM
Nonsense, Brunt, Barry, Livermore, Bartley amongst countless others have been vocally opposed by the crowd at times, and all of them remain valuable senior players to the club, and those are just examples of current players. 3 good games and Johnstones a hero at the Hawthorns, football fans (including ours) are very fickle.

Well said, Ollie.
Bloody great post.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on September 01, 2019, 08:51:30 PM
That was a bad goal to concede yesterday. Al Habsi is 37 so will hopefully either be able to step in to the first team or he can help to settle Johnstone down somehow. There seems to be a very good (technical) keeper in there but (painfully similar to Carson), there seems to almost be a mental issue there which is maybe confidence, focus or maybe complacency related  - which means he's not quite there.

I'd personally take him out of the team for a bit and hope this helps him get his focus / desire back. He's still very young for a keeper and should improve in all areas. In a couple of years time, he could become a top keeper but the way he's going he'll fall away.......

I do think we were massively spoilt by Ben Foster too who was the best keeper we've ever had............I'm not sure there are many better keepers in the championship than Johnstone at the moment?
I don't know how old you are but Ben Foster is not the best keeper we have ever had!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: darbolina on September 01, 2019, 09:25:32 PM
I don't know how old you are but Ben Foster is not the best keeper we have ever had!

ha ha fair play , i never saw john osborne but since i started watching in the early 80s , Foster was easily the best I saw. He also played behind a very solid, drilled defence mind which you could argue Johnstone clearly hasn't had the benefit of.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2019, 10:07:06 PM
ha ha fair play , i never saw john osborne but since i started watching in the early 80s , Foster was easily the best I saw. He also played behind a very solid, drilled defence mind which you could argue Johnstone clearly hasn't had the benefit of.

In fairness if Sam was behind Jonas and GMac in their pomp he would look a damn sight better!!!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 01, 2019, 11:26:31 PM
Nonsense. Brunt, Barry, Livermore, Bartley amongst countless others have been vocally opposed by the crowd at times, and all of them remain valuable senior players to the club (and those are just examples of current players). 3 good games and Johnstones a hero at the Hawthorns, football fans (including ours) are very fickle.


It's different for keepers. He won't last now the crowd have turned.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 02, 2019, 09:35:16 AM
I have tried my hardest to defend him, but it is becoming difficult. I see little or no command of his area and he keeps on making these mistakes. If the ball is drilled low on the ground, I have little or no faith in him to make the save. He is certainly not what I was hoping for when we spent over £5m on him. Our transfer business last summer under Moore (permanent as opposed to loans) was just awful, signing him, Bartley and Townsend for over £10m and none of them are good enough.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 02, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
First game of the season for me at the Hawthorns. He should of kept hold of the ball for the second goal but was by no means the only one who should shoulder the blame for the goal, unmarked at the back post leading to the shot being blocked and spilled by Jonstone, other chances to clear it a right mess.

Really disappointed with our fans jeering him, makes us look very small time. I don't think he is as good as Foster but is still young and Foster had the benefit of playing behind Premier League defenders. I have not seen a keeper in this league who has impressed me, Butland has the best pedigree at Stoke has made some right clangers this season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: elkiellis on September 02, 2019, 10:02:43 AM
I don't know how old you are but Ben Foster is not the best keeper we have ever had!
im 56 been going up the Albion for over 45 years and I say Foster is the best keeper we ever had
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: elkiellis on September 02, 2019, 10:07:56 AM

It's different for keepers. He won't last now the crowd have turned.
totally agree here outfield players to a certain degree have a place to hide and the odd mistake is not always punished,a keeper is different when the crowd turns, I think its time for Bond to get a chance and I think he may have already but he didn't exactly shine in the Millwall cup game ie there 2nd goal
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 03, 2019, 06:47:08 AM
im 56 been going up the Albion for over 45 years and I say Foster is the best keeper we ever had

me 42 years ...him or hoult - hoult was behind a better back 4 against weaker opposition
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on September 03, 2019, 11:33:38 PM
 ;D 52 years a fan and the best keeper we have had was Ozzie Osborne...always put his body on the line and gave 110% to Albion.

Foster (great keeper) but left after we went down,after saying he was staying.

We do need to support Sam,there is a good keeper in there. His confidence will grow..played a "wordly"at Derby,but spilt a ball the next week. These things happen.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on September 03, 2019, 11:35:23 PM
I agree but with SJ these are not isolated incidents rather frequent occurrences.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on September 04, 2019, 05:24:51 AM
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/387942955396673674/    A photo of the late great man Ozzie having a quiet smoke while the action is at the other end...given to him by a fan
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on September 04, 2019, 10:55:04 AM
My opinion best keepers
 John Osbourne
 Tony Godden
 Russell Hoult and Foster.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2019, 11:18:52 AM
 in my time best Godden worse Johnstone
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on September 04, 2019, 11:51:04 AM
Best, hard pushed to decide between Ossy / Hoult / Foster
Worst = Mark Grew
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: phbaggies on September 04, 2019, 11:56:49 AM
Best, hard pushed to decide between Ossy / Hoult / Foster
Worst = Mark Grew
Paul Crichton surely??
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 04, 2019, 12:14:26 PM
Best:
Godden
Osbourne
Hoult
Foster
Miller
Worst:
Crighton
Zuberbuhler
Rees
Grew

Johnstone lower end of middle.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on September 04, 2019, 12:48:35 PM
I've been going for 50 years and would definitely have Foster as best I've seen. Osborne was brave, was a great character but not a top class keeper in my view.
Johnstone is far from the worst but nowhere near the best either.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 05, 2019, 04:22:31 AM
the worst was the lad that was on bench all season and we let him play the last match home vs Arsenal and he basically threw 3 into his own net and allowed Arsenal to qualify for Europe
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on September 05, 2019, 06:06:55 AM
 :( It was Marton Fulop and the poor bloke died in 2015 at the age of only 32.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on September 05, 2019, 07:32:31 AM
Johnston is far from the worst keeper we've had, all keepers have a weakness to their game and some excel in other areas. Rated Godden as the best in my time but I'd watched him more than Foster. I never had any confidence in Carson for some reason. special mention to Tony Lange for his outstanding performance against Portsmouth in the great escape match in 94 when he stood in for Naylor who was injured.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: CL3MO on September 05, 2019, 07:48:03 PM
in my time best Godden worse Johnstone

We've had far, far worse than Johnstone. Pascal Zuberbühler? He was absolutely atrocious. I'd say Carson was worse too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 05, 2019, 08:31:32 PM
Lads, can we keep this topic about Sam Johnstone please?, feel free to start a new topic to discuss best/worst keepers.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 05, 2019, 09:54:44 PM
Lads, can we keep this topic about Sam Johnstone please?, feel free to start a new topic to discuss best/worst keepers.
OK...Sam Johnstone...
Goal keeper?
Goal minder?
Or Goal stopper?
Just a stopper for me.
No thoughts, nor a director of defence for for me.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on September 05, 2019, 11:23:33 PM
in my time best Godden worse Johnstone

You're not a great judge of keepers, if you think SJ has been our worst.
People live in the here and now sometimes. They react too quickly to what they see in front of them.
SJ is 10 times the keeper Paul Crichton was.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on September 06, 2019, 07:18:18 AM
You're not a great judge of keepers, if you think SJ has been our worst.
People live in the here and now sometimes. They react too quickly to what they see in front of them.
SJ is 10 times the keeper Paul Crichton was.

No real recommendation is it though really?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on September 06, 2019, 08:03:04 PM
You're not a great judge of keepers, if you think SJ has been our worst.
People live in the here and now sometimes. They react too quickly to what they see in front of them.
SJ is 10 times the keeper Paul Crichton was.

10 x zero is still zero.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2019, 01:43:56 AM
Johnstone is poorer than any 1st choice keeper I can remember (1988 onwards). Worse than Naylor, Miller, Hoult, Carson, Kirkland, Kiely, Kuszczak, Jensen and Foster. It's not even debatable imo.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on September 07, 2019, 07:36:25 AM
Johnstone is poorer than any 1st choice keeper I can remember (1988 onwards). Worse than Naylor, Miller, Hoult, Carson, Kirkland, Kiely, Kuszczak, Jensen and Foster. It's not even debatable imo.
I'd have to throw Crichton and Zubi at you , both regulars and IMO worse than SJ .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on September 07, 2019, 09:03:01 AM
I had a dream he dropped 2 clangers in our next game. He's now creeping into my anxieties and affecting my sleep!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 07, 2019, 11:12:18 AM
I'd have to throw Crichton and Zubi at you , both regulars and IMO worse than SJ .


Crichton 32 apps in 3 seasons, Zuberbuhler 15 apps in 2. Don't recall either being regular 1st choice.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on September 07, 2019, 04:23:05 PM

Crichton 32 apps in 3 seasons, Zuberbuhler 15 apps in 2. Don't recall either being regular 1st choice.
Crichton had a long run under Buckley I thought , must admit I thought both were in the sticks longer than that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on September 07, 2019, 08:18:05 PM
We've had far, far worse than Johnstone. Pascal Zuberbühler? He was absolutely atrocious. I'd say Carson was worse too.

Paul Crichton is the worse I've seen in my time
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: MarkW on September 07, 2019, 08:52:27 PM
Gents, Oldbury has been clear. This thread is for Sam Johnstone. You want to compare keepers over years? Go for it, just create another thread and do it. Anymore and posts will get removed.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on September 14, 2019, 09:42:24 PM
Credit where it’s due Johnstone had a good game today, one dodgy clearance which probably shouldn’t have got back to him in the first place but made some great saves, really hope he can build from that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 14, 2019, 09:46:25 PM
 I really don't understand the criticism of Sam thought he was excellent today no chance with the goal made some excellent saves kept us in the game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 14, 2019, 09:59:33 PM
No keeper should be beaten from where he was today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on September 14, 2019, 10:25:15 PM
No keeper should be beaten from where he was today.
I presume 'he' refers to Knockaert's position when he shot.
Very harsh on SJ.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBArgo on September 14, 2019, 11:02:29 PM
I've defended Johnstone for a while now but the Blackburn goal was down to him - and today he was poorly positioned too. If you look again the ball isn't in the top corner for the goal, instead Johnstone is somehow on his knees when he dives instead of his feet.
It may have gone in anyway but it looked sloppy for me. Yes it was a bit of a freak goal but he didn't help himself.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on September 14, 2019, 11:26:12 PM
No keeper should be beaten from where he was today.
it’s a total freak goal, even knockaert admitted it was a cross, I’m not sure if it took a slight deflection either
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 14, 2019, 11:35:12 PM
No keeper should be beaten from where he was today.
Unless they kneel down, in which case most keepers would

Needs to come out of the team now,,,for the team and himself
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 14, 2019, 11:59:58 PM
I really don't understand the criticism of Sam thought he was excellent today no chance with the goal made some excellent saves kept us in the game.
great point we would have been dead and buried without him today
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 15, 2019, 12:04:24 AM
great point we would have been dead and buried without him today
Or we win 1-0
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: the other AJ on September 15, 2019, 02:40:01 AM
He pulled off a great double save (the parried shot and the following tip over the bar) as well as tipping their shot onto the bar ( which the officials missed was a corner).
Any of those 3 go in and we lose & he gets mullered.

I think he’s doing ok, not perfect yes, room for improvement, yes, deserves to get dropped, no.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: buzzingbaggie on September 15, 2019, 05:24:11 AM
Kept us in the game, made some great saves and helped the team win a point.

I think his position was poor for the goal, but not the reason we conceded (believe it would have gone in in San was in the correct position, it was a freak goal). Fulham were shooting from edge of the box with no pressure for 60mins of the game,this needs deserves more attention then Sam's performance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Aztech on September 15, 2019, 08:05:42 AM
Unless they kneel down, in which case most keepers would

Needs to come out of the team now,,,for the team and himself

Unfair in my opinion. Let’s wait and see whether Bilic agrees with you.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on September 15, 2019, 08:43:12 AM
Or we win 1-0
obviously because he didn’t make those great saves keeping us in it at times
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 15, 2019, 09:10:30 AM
Unfair in my opinion. Let’s wait and see whether Bilic agrees with you.
Wonder why he brought Al Habsi in?
Watch the goal in slo mo, at no point was his body extended, all the way through the shot he was making himself smaller, horrendous goalkeeping.
Some are pointing out that he made some saves....great, that’s his job
How many clean sheets have we got this season...and if he’s that good why does everyone feel the need to state that he had a good game at derby ....is it just the TV audience because against Blackburn (and others) he’s been very poor

But hey if defending him is people’s choice then that’s up to them, I’d rather we had a proper goalkeeper
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hunsletbaggie on September 15, 2019, 09:32:58 AM
Or we win 1-0
Bet the Fulham fans are thinking exactly like you! now our goal was a keeper error
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on September 15, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
Wonder why he brought Al Habsi in?
Watch the goal in slo mo, at no point was his body extended, all the way through the shot he was making himself smaller, horrendous goalkeeping.
Some are pointing out that he made some saves....great, that’s his job
How many clean sheets have we got this season...and if he’s that good why does everyone feel the need to state that he had a good game at derby ....is it just the TV audience because against Blackburn (and others) he’s been very poor

But hey if defending him is people’s choice then that’s up to them, I’d rather we had a proper goalkeeper
pretty sure al habsi is to cover the place vacated by myhill, I’d be amazed to see al habsi make an appearance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on September 15, 2019, 10:42:16 AM
How anybody blames Johnstone for yesterday's goal is beyond me. It didn't happen in slow mo it happened in real time, a shot that was meant to be a cross much like Phillips vs Forest. Totally blameless.

He played well yesterday but that's Johnstone for you he does have those games then next week or the week after he will make some basic howler that costs us a goal.

I was expecting Al Habsi to play yesterday but he didn't and the fact that Bond was on the bench makes me wonder why we brought Al Habsi in. We have Johnstone, Bond, Palmer, Griffiths, House, Cann,it's not as if we're short of goalkeepers on our books. Josh Griffiths is supposed to be the best of the lot potentially. If that's the case he should be second / third choice even at 18.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on September 15, 2019, 12:31:41 PM
Anyone care to dare when / if he’s going to keep a clean sheet this season?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: CL3MO on September 15, 2019, 12:51:00 PM
Anyone care to dare when / if he’s going to keep a clean sheet this season?

Or more so, when are the 'team' going to keep a clean sheet?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 15, 2019, 03:01:50 PM
I have slated him in the past, but his reactions were good yesterday.
Positioning is not his forte'.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on September 15, 2019, 04:18:48 PM
Knockaert's 'shot' was a fluke that just happened to land in the most awkward place. You couldn't fault Johnstone's positioning at that moment.
I think the Fulham keeper made a far greater blunder for our goal.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on September 15, 2019, 04:31:58 PM
I saw Sam Make four decent saves yesterday. One a low and late dive to turn away a shot that he made look more difficult than it should have been. Two, a good save at a “nice height” , but a good save nevertheless. Three, the touch over the bar not given as a corner, and four a very good save from a shot from the edge of the box that happened because he had given the ball away with a very poor clearance. I do not feel that he was at particular fault for the goal but have in the past seen such misplaced crosses saved by really good keepers. Sam played some very quick accurate passes out to set up some promising attacking moves, but for me is still nowhere near the ‘safe pair of hands’ I would like to see as our goalkeeper. He seems not able to inspire confidence, nor organise his defenders. I try to be fair with any criticism but I do not see any improvement during his time here and I feel we should be looking at better.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on September 15, 2019, 07:41:05 PM
He made some good saves yesterday, but I can’t help but feel there are lots of basic shortfalls in his game. Not sure how tall he is, but he doesn’t look imposing. Yesterday’s goal was a fluke, but Sam’s footwork was terrible, and his leap was sideways rather than upward, so he ended up lower than his start position, so was never going to get near it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Lukeb on September 16, 2019, 01:59:52 AM
How the **** anyone can complain about Johnstone v Fulham is beyond me. Kept us in the game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 16, 2019, 06:45:03 AM
I have given up responding to the Johnstone knockers, they will always jump on any error, any goal regardless of how it came about.
Ill say this just once more, he is not perfect, but he is a decent keeper at our level and deserves his place in the team.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: kris_boing on September 16, 2019, 07:46:13 AM
Not sure you can blame him for the their goal.  It was a fluke.

My argument with Johnstone is that he makes errors in every game that often result in a goal.  Its mainly his decision making and kicking.  He puts his defenders in trouble and I'm sure they are nervous because of this.

Foster had mistakes in him at the same age.  They got fewer the older he got so lets hope he grows out of them.  He would help himself greatly though if he cut out the silly idea of peeing around with it at the back.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jamesh_91 on September 16, 2019, 08:30:37 AM
I have given up responding to the Johnstone knockers, they will always jump on any error, any goal regardless of how it came about.
Ill say this just once more, he is not perfect, but he is a decent keeper at our level and deserves his place in the team.

Spot on. I didn't open this thread deliberately as I knew he would be getting pelters despite a good game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 16, 2019, 10:18:01 AM
That's the thing I guess, our expectations have been adjusted.  I saw the game Saturday and Johnstone didn't have a *bad* game, but I don't think he had a *good* game either.  The saves he made are saves I'd expect most keepers to make really.

I still think he's positioning for the goal wasn't great.  He never shifted position as the ball was played back to the Fulham player.   Yeah, the ball dropping in the net was a fluke, but that ball in would have caused him all sorts of trouble due to him starting too near post.  Anybody backpost would have had an open goal. 

Put it this way, if it had dropped a bit further out, he wasn't ever claiming that ball.  It was the pattern throughout, too often he was rooted to the line and I don't think he came for a single cross all game.

So while I don't think it's a keeper error, he never really gave himself much of a chance of making a save.  Or indeed, catching the ball if the cross had been slightly better.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on September 16, 2019, 07:17:46 PM
I didn't blame him for the goal on Saturday but watching replays he does crumble away, doesn't look right. I thought his performance was average at best. Kept busy, several saves all fairly ordinary. One of which came from his own mistake giving the ball away. I was concerned late on when a ball came into the six yard box and he was rooted to the line. It took a towering header from Bartley to clear when any keeper worth his salt would have been off his line to claim the ball and take the pressure off.

So far, he's had average games v Reading and Fulham, a good game at Derby and four poor performances, so overall pretty rubbish. Still no sign he's being dropped any time soon through. Whilst results generally are going okay I'm presuming Slaven is prepared to stick with him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 16, 2019, 11:01:11 PM
His "awareness" needs to be addressed.
His "shot stopping" is as expected of any goalkeeper.
His "command of the area" needs to be enhanced.
His "positioning" needs more mobility.
A bog standard Championship goalkeeper.
He will do, but there is a lot more to come if he is coached correctly.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 16, 2019, 11:04:23 PM
His "awareness" needs to be addressed.
His "shot stopping" is as expected of any goalkeeper.
His "command of the area" needs to be enhanced.
His "positioning" needs more mobility.
A bog standard Championship goalkeeper.
He will do, but there is a lot more to come if he is coached correctly.
Not sure you are allowed to say these constructive points
It would seem that people get offended by mentioning any fault
For me they can all keep “happy clapping” but when will we get a clean sheet ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 16, 2019, 11:50:30 PM
Not sure you are allowed to say these constructive points
It would seem that people get offended by mentioning any fault
For me they can all keep “happy clapping” but when will we get a clean sheet ?
When Hegazi comes back and can marshall him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 17, 2019, 09:48:54 AM
Not sure you are allowed to say these constructive points
It would seem that people get offended by mentioning any fault
For me they can all keep “happy clapping” but when will we get a clean sheet ?


When we revert back to Pulis Ball? The brilliance of Foster also coincided with are best back line in recent memory and also the most defensive managers in the entire country! Bilic is renown for leaky defences due to the way he sets up his team, to pin the blame on the goalkeeper for a trend of conceding a goal a game is a weak argument.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 17, 2019, 01:17:38 PM

When we revert back to Pulis Ball? The brilliance of Foster also coincided with are best back line in recent memory and also the most defensive managers in the entire country! Bilic is renown for leaky defences due to the way he sets up his team, to pin the blame on the goalkeeper for a trend of conceding a goal a game is a weak argument.
He is the only constant though. We struggled last season, with a different manager and a different back 4, yet same problem.
It would be wrong to blame him entirely but it would also be naive to not consider he is the weak link.
For me he's not commanding enough. A good keeper not only instils confidence in his back 4, he also puts the fear of god in them, to a certain extent anyway. Johnstone just seems disjointed from the rest of the defence; he doesn't organise them, doesn't bollok them and his positioning is questionable.
All of the back 5 have, individually, received plaudits at points this season but not yet as a group and I think this is because we lack a natural leader in there and this exposes Sam, as he is the last line of defence. We either need one of the centre halves to step up and take control or we need a more confident, vocal, experienced keeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 18, 2019, 09:58:14 AM
The season before we bought him he kept 22 clean sheets. So I think there's definitely something in him needing a strong back line in front of him to help with his confidence, or just more simply to just reduce the amount of chances the opposition gets.

I hope that once Hegazi is back and fit we will start to look much more solid and cut out some of the errors. Hegazi could well be the leader the back line needs.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 18, 2019, 10:07:34 AM
The season before we bought him he kept 22 clean sheets. So I think there's definitely something in him needing a strong back line in front of him to help with his confidence, or just more simply to just reduce the amount of chances the opposition gets.

I hope that once Hegazi is back and fit we will start to look much more solid and cut out some of the errors. Hegazi could well be the leader the back line needs.
Hope so mate, we need the defence to become a solid unit. A good, cohesive, back 4 is better than 4 great, individual defenders.
If we can get that, and a striker in January, we will be nailed on top 6 for me.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 18, 2019, 10:18:08 PM

When we revert back to Pulis Ball? The brilliance of Foster also coincided with are best back line in recent memory and also the most defensive managers in the entire country! Bilic is renown for leaky defences due to the way he sets up his team, to pin the blame on the goalkeeper for a trend of conceding a goal a game is a weak argument.
I blame the keeper only for the bad errors he makes

Personally I remember under megson, Clarke,Hodgson ....many clean sheets across various keepers
Our defence is one of the best in the league, the keeper is just not good enough
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on September 21, 2019, 09:22:06 PM
After today performance by Foster, I'm starting to think Sam is an upgrade!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 21, 2019, 09:59:40 PM
After today performance by Foster, I'm starting to think Sam is an upgrade!
Thought it had been made illegal to compare them?

Tomorrow we play Huddersfield at home, they have 1 point
If he manages to keep a clean sheet I’ll do some dingle based forfeit
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: stoxman on September 22, 2019, 09:52:54 AM
After today performance by Foster, I'm starting to think Sam is an upgrade!

Did anyone else have a little smile at the thought of Foster and Dawson being so humiliated?  I know they aren’t our players or our problem anymore but still...
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 22, 2019, 10:12:31 AM
How about we get behind him and give him a better than normal reception this afternoon, give him a boost?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on September 22, 2019, 12:42:16 PM
How about we get behind him and give him a better than normal reception this afternoon, give him a boost?
Both SJ and Bartley need that but without the ‘s’. The sooner the better
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 22, 2019, 12:48:05 PM
One decent game in how many?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 22, 2019, 12:48:50 PM
Nearly half time. No attempt at a save for either goal. Culpable playing out from the back too. Let it end please.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on September 22, 2019, 12:53:02 PM
Two shots on target in that half from Huddersfield and two goals. Ground hog day all round.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 22, 2019, 12:57:29 PM
I haven’t criticised him up till now, but his left arm on both goals never moved. For the the first goal, he used his left hand to cushion his fall instead of outstretching it like their keeper did attempting to save our goal.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on September 22, 2019, 01:02:35 PM
Two shots on target in that half from Huddersfield and two goals. Ground hog day all round.
Agree and take Bartley with him both of them shocking!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on September 22, 2019, 01:03:14 PM
This 3 good passes then 1 howler is beyond a joke from him now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 22, 2019, 02:18:30 PM
Laughable, but hey, got to blame someone.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on September 22, 2019, 02:23:15 PM
Laughable, but hey, got to blame someone.
No laughable at all Johnstone and Bartley are going to cost us big time.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 22, 2019, 02:25:40 PM
Hegazi will replace Bartley, everything will be fine then.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on September 22, 2019, 02:29:19 PM
In my view, from what I saw, he had little chance with either goal being exposed by defenders in front of him
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 22, 2019, 02:30:32 PM
It's not often you see a keeper not dive at this level.  Johnstone does it all the time.  He's miles off saving them.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on September 22, 2019, 02:38:17 PM
I have kept my opinion on SJ to myself thus far however there is a trend which is not showing any evidence of change at this point in time which SB will be all too aware of !!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 22, 2019, 02:54:55 PM
In my view, from what I saw, he had little chance with either goal being exposed by defenders in front of him

Exactly
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smethwickw on September 22, 2019, 02:55:14 PM
Hegazi will replace Bartley, everything will be fine then.

Hegazi was a virtual ever present last season and we still conceded for fun. A decent keeper is the only way things will improve IMO.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on September 22, 2019, 03:02:58 PM
I’m not an SJ fan but not much he could do about those 2 today.

Thought he came and claimed a few more balls in today to ease pressure.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TLMS17 on September 22, 2019, 03:32:26 PM
Sums it up when people are blaming him for the goals conceded today

Could go up for a corner and score a last minute winner for us and people would moan he's in the wrong penalty box

I wasn’t a big fan of him at the start of last season, but the constant criticism for him I actually feel sorry for him now and back him more than I did before
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on September 22, 2019, 03:49:14 PM
Sums it up when people are blaming him for the goals conceded today

Could go up for a corner and score a last minute winner for us and people would moan he's in the wrong penalty box

I wasn’t a big fan of him at the start of last season, but the constant criticism for him I actually feel sorry for him now and back him more than I did before

Made me chuckle that.

True though. I don’t think he’s the best keeper in the world, but he didn’t do anything wrong today other than one overhit pass (and his distribution is actually very good in truth).

I’m the first to have a go when he makes a glaring error, but he didn’t today and as I said earlier, came out and claimed a number it crosses towards the end which settled us.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on September 22, 2019, 04:05:35 PM
Hegazi was a virtual ever present last season and we still conceded for fun. A decent keeper is the only way things will improve IMO.


He didn't have Ajayi alongside him then.

Bringing Hegazi back will be a big help but there's still Johnstone and Gibbs who I guarantee will make too many individual errors for us to be consistently solid at the back.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on September 22, 2019, 04:16:21 PM
Hegazi will replace Bartley, everything will be fine then.
It won't , there's too many of the same mistakes in Johnstone's game that happen every three or four games .
He not the only one like that but I'm afraid he's a main one for me.
I'll give you an example , five out of six of his kicks will be a damn good pass . The sixth will nearly always cost us a chance or worse a goal .
I also thought he could have tried to close the angle or spread himself a bit for the 2nd goal Today .
The shame is these errors on repeat ruin a decent keeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 22, 2019, 05:15:19 PM
Hegazi was a virtual ever present last season and we still conceded for fun. A decent keeper is the only way things will improve IMO.

We didn't have a manager last season.

Hegazi will make a massive difference. Anyone but Bartley in there will make all the difference, SJ isn't the issue
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 22, 2019, 06:36:25 PM
Unless the ball is right at him SJ rarely looks like making a save.  Like the two shots today, he got nowhere near them and neither were thunderous strikes.  The second one was particularly poor as theres only one place that ball can go.

It's the story as recent matches, I don't put either of those today down to keeper error, but good keepers would have given themselves a chance to make the save.  The fact he doesn't even dive sets off alarm bells to me.  At the moment you'd say his only positive is his distribution isn't terrible.

Throw in the ones where he HAS made obvious errors and you've got a keeper who doesn't inspire any confidence. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Brooklynbaggie on September 22, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
I just wish as a keeper he was more vocal and came across more in command of his defence, I think this would give the back four more confidence.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on September 22, 2019, 08:50:52 PM
Not knocking the bloke but he never made an effort for either of the goals today.
Got nothing against him but we should be looking to strengthen in that position if we have aspirations of playing at a higher level
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 22, 2019, 09:05:53 PM
Terrible first half
Second half I almost screamed my tonsils out but I think he heard me (just bloody clear it) 😀

Second half I think he was actually ok and did claim a few ,I’d still swap him out for a run of games though .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on September 22, 2019, 10:25:11 PM
Was at the game today but when I saw comments on here blaming him for the goals I was shocked. So I watched goals on sky and am still shocked. How was he meant to save either of the goals?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on September 22, 2019, 10:47:34 PM
Was at the game today but when I saw comments on here blaming him for the goals I was shocked. So I watched goals on sky and am still shocked. How was he meant to save either of the goals?

Some people need a scapegoat mate.

Absolutely ridiculous comments from some both on here and in the stadium.

Goal 1; Blame Furlong for missing the 50/50. Blame Sawyers for not sticking with his man. Maybe even blame Austin for giving away the goal kick which it came from. But god how can anyone blame Sam?

Goal 2; only one person to blame and that’s Bartley. Or you could maybe blame Boiler Man.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: EastYorksAlbion on September 22, 2019, 10:51:37 PM
Maybe he could maybe he couldn’t save those two goals today, but yet again he is flat footed and no despairing dive, it’s like he gives up as he know he can’t get it, whereas if he does a despairing dive, he might get lucky.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on September 22, 2019, 11:12:29 PM
Some people need a scapegoat mate.

Absolutely ridiculous comments from some both on here and in the stadium.

Goal 1; Blame Furlong for missing the 50/50. Blame Sawyers for not sticking with his man. Maybe even blame Austin for giving away the goal kick which it came from. But god how can anyone blame Sam?

Goal 2; only one person to blame and that’s Bartley. Or you could maybe blame Boiler Man.

Agreed 100 percent
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mikkyk on September 23, 2019, 12:57:53 AM
Maybe he could maybe he couldn’t save those two goals today, but yet again he is flat footed and no despairing dive, it’s like he gives up as he know he can’t get it, whereas if he does a despairing dive, he might get lucky.

This is the bit that sticks with me the most, and also I think rubs people up the wrong way which downgrades their opinion of him.

Two reasons he should dive at everything. 1. Good practice for a goal keeper to do it for future scenarios even if they know they arent getting to it. 2. Like you say, he might get lucky and surprise himself with a save.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wappingbaggie on September 23, 2019, 02:02:57 AM
Maybe he could maybe he couldn’t save those two goals today, but yet again he is flat footed and no despairing dive, it’s like he gives up as he know he can’t get it, whereas if he does a despairing dive, he might get lucky.

The first one was all happening so quick I dont think he had time to react.

The second one a better keeper would have read the situation quicker and hurled himself forward trying to block or smother

I dont blame him for either but he seems pretty ordinary - if I was manager I'd be tempted to give Bond or Habsi a run just to see what my options are
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 23, 2019, 03:16:48 AM
The first one was all happening so quick I dont think he had time to react.

The second one a better keeper would have read the situation quicker and hurled himself forward trying to block or smother

I dont blame him for either but he seems pretty ordinary - if I was manager I'd be tempted to give Bond or Habsi a run just to see what my options are

Looks so suspect on crosses. Every so often has a blinder like v Derby and Fulham but then most of the time he is poor. Gives our defence butterflies. Think even bringing Hegazi in we will still look suspect at the back because of the keeper. Not sure why we don't give one of the other ones a go
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on September 23, 2019, 06:29:01 AM
Some people need a scapegoat mate.

Absolutely ridiculous comments from some both on here and in the stadium.

Goal 1; Blame Furlong for missing the 50/50. Blame Sawyers for not sticking with his man. Maybe even blame Austin for giving away the goal kick which it came from. But god how can anyone blame Sam?

Goal 2; only one person to blame and that’s Bartley. Or you could maybe blame Boiler Man.

Not looking to blame anybody, but he never even attempted to make a save.
A lot of saves made by goalkeepers are instinctive or reactionary, I would argue that lot of the time he is poor in both departments.
Yes he has the occasional blinder, but all that does is  paper over the cracks.
I don't think anybody is looking for a scapegoat, we all want the team to do well, but there are a couple of positions in the team that need looking at at the moment and we have to trust in the manager to correct the issues.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 23, 2019, 07:21:47 AM
Any one else noticed that he is weaker going for balls to his left?
I am sure that other teams have noticed this, and tell their players to cross or shoot the ball in that general area.
Is he just a right handed goalkeeper?
He has to be coached to work on his left hand side.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 23, 2019, 09:23:05 AM
We didn't have a manager last season.

Hegazi will make a massive difference. Anyone but Bartley in there will make all the difference, SJ isn't the issue
This time last year we had 17 points and were top scorers in the division. We finished 4th which is exactly where we are now. Please stop the Moore bashing and move on.
In my opinion Bilic is a better manager but that's no reason to disrespect his predecessor.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Webby on September 23, 2019, 09:34:21 AM
Some people need a scapegoat mate.

Absolutely ridiculous comments from some both on here and in the stadium.

Goal 1; Blame Furlong for missing the 50/50. Blame Sawyers for not sticking with his man. Maybe even blame Austin for giving away the goal kick which it came from. But god how can anyone blame Sam?

Goal 2; only one person to blame and that’s Bartley. Or you could maybe blame Boiler Man.

100% this.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on September 23, 2019, 09:48:27 AM
This time last year we had 17 points and were top scorers in the division. We finished 4th which is exactly where we are now. Please stop the Moore bashing and move on.
In my opinion Bilic is a better manager but that's no reason to disrespect his predecessor.

Not quite sure what us being top scorers (with a front three of Barnes, Gayle and Rodriguez so ultimately we should have been) has to do with my post? I was responding to us conceding for fun last season as we are this season. We have no Dawson and Hegazi in place this season as we had last season so my point is that we have to look at what is in front of SJ and at the minute we are playing with a young lad who is not a left back playing (very well as it happens) out of position, a new right back who is very attack minded....and Kyle Bartley who is....Kyle Bartley, so in my opinion blaming SJ for everything as people seem to be doing is out of order.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Tank on September 23, 2019, 10:08:55 AM
Maybe he could maybe he couldn’t save those two goals today, but yet again he is flat footed and no despairing dive, it’s like he gives up as he know he can’t get it, whereas if he does a despairing dive, he might get lucky.

If he gets into a habit of not even making a despairing dive it might end up with him not even bothering to make a dive with penalties
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 23, 2019, 10:54:50 AM
This is the bit that sticks with me the most, and also I think rubs people up the wrong way which downgrades their opinion of him.

Two reasons he should dive at everything. 1. Good practice for a goal keeper to do it for future scenarios even if they know they arent getting to it. 2. Like you say, he might get lucky and surprise himself with a save.

I always had it coached from a young age for exactly those reasons.  You get in to a habit of diving as there's times when you think you can't quite reach it and you do, or that your instant reaction is to dive for it so you start to trim your reaction time down.

Even in yesterday's game, Livermore had a well struck shot from the middle of the goal, it could have gone anywhere, their keeper was in the middle of the goal so wouldn't know which side.  The shot ended up just wide of the keeper's right hand post, he still dived and may have got across to it.  It was struck much better than the efforts we condeded.  When we talk about SJ these aren't shots that are rocketing into the top corner.  So while I don't directly pin blame on him for either of the goals it's chances like those where you want your keeper to step up and make the big saves.  Does Sam?  Very very rarely.

It really is a massive flaw if your keeper is constantly wrong footed and isn't diving.


Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on September 23, 2019, 11:00:43 AM
If he gets into a habit of not even making a despairing dive it might end up with him not even bothering to make a dive with penalties
Meanwhile in the real world SJ can dive (despairing or otherwise).
Remind me, what was the score against Derby, and how did SJ do with a 12 yard shot?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NJS on September 23, 2019, 11:09:37 AM
Some people need a scapegoat mate.

Absolutely ridiculous comments from some both on here and in the stadium.

Goal 1; Blame Furlong for missing the 50/50. Blame Sawyers for not sticking with his man. Maybe even blame Austin for giving away the goal kick which it came from. But god how can anyone blame Sam?

Goal 2; only one person to blame and that’s Bartley. Or you could maybe blame Boiler Man.

Boiler man is innocent and should be given a try-out between the sticks!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 23, 2019, 11:10:21 AM
It's not that he *never* dives, it's just that he quite often doesn't, of he does it's pretty poor. 

Look at Blackburn, it's not a well struck shot and he's beaten to his near post side.  He just didn't get any horizontal movement.
Fulham, his 'dive' again was very similar, he gets no horizontal movement and basically just falls over.
Two against Huddersfield, neither did he dive for. 
Reading, he didn't dive for that either.

Then throw in things like Millwall where he's rooted to his far(!) post and doesn't claim a ball that's 3 yards out.  We concede.
Throw in his mistakes from his distrubution or where he's failed to gather the ball...

How is SJ doing?  Honestly?  Not great.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 23, 2019, 11:10:39 AM
Boiler man is innocent and should be given a try-out between the sticks!

Probably more mobile.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on September 23, 2019, 11:10:42 AM
Meanwhile in the real world SJ can dive (despairing or otherwise).
Remind me, what was the score against Derby, and how did SJ do with a 12 yard shot?

That was his only good game this season.

I've watched both of yesterday's goals back a few times. He didn't bother trying to save the first one which whilst perfectly placed was from outside the box! Then the second surely he should have rushed out at the attackers feet to close down the angle. Again he didn't bother to dive and just stood still. Completely bizarre. Thankfully Huddersfield only had two shots on target!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie53 on September 23, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
If he gets into a habit of not even making a despairing dive it might end up with him not even bothering to make a dive with penalties

When you look at most penalties, all keepers would save more by not diving

A high percentage seem to go straight doen the middle
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 23, 2019, 12:07:53 PM
When you look at most penalties, all keepers would save more by not diving

A high percentage seem to go straight doen the middle

Tbf, a lot will go straight down the middle because the keeper dived.  Odds are stacked against keepers when it comes to pens really.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 23, 2019, 12:11:26 PM
Not quite sure what us being top scorers (with a front three of Barnes, Gayle and Rodriguez so ultimately we should have been) has to do with my post? I was responding to us conceding for fun last season as we are this season. We have no Dawson and Hegazi in place this season as we had last season so my point is that we have to look at what is in front of SJ and at the minute we are playing with a young lad who is not a left back playing (very well as it happens) out of position, a new right back who is very attack minded....and Kyle Bartley who is....Kyle Bartley, so in my opinion blaming SJ for everything as people seem to be doing is out of order.
It was the dig at Moore that I was referencing and pointing out that we are pretty much exactly where we were last year., so it just doesn't stack up.
As for Johnstone, I don't see many blaming him for everything, as you put it, they are just pointing out that, a lot of the time, he is not very good, which he isn't.
For what it's worth I agree with your points regarding Hegazi and Bartley.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 23, 2019, 12:45:38 PM
One thing I will say is that he doesn't seem to have improved one bit in the entire time he's been here. Now last year he had about four different goalkeeping coaches, so I can't blame him. But this year other players have shown improvement, yet he's not doing anything different, or showing us that he's learning.

I think he's doomed to a Scott Carson-like career.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Tank on September 23, 2019, 07:02:56 PM
I've watched both of yesterday's goals back a few times. He didn't bother trying to save the first one which whilst perfectly placed was from outside the box! Then the second surely he should have rushed out at the attackers feet to close down the angle. Again he didn't bother to dive and just stood still. Completely bizarre. Thankfully Huddersfield only had two shots on target!
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That first goal was no more than three feet to his left.  An extended arm is three feet long (hence the term yardarm) but his hands were just about as near to the ball as his shoulders. He was all at sea (to continue the nautical reference).
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on September 23, 2019, 07:12:39 PM
He's just not good enough unfortunately.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on September 23, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
I've watched both of yesterday's goals back a few times. He didn't bother trying to save the first one which whilst perfectly placed was from outside the box! Then the second surely he should have rushed out at the attackers feet to close down the angle. Again he didn't bother to dive and just stood still. Completely bizarre. Thankfully Huddersfield only had two shots on target!

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That first goal was no more than three feet to his left.  An extended arm is three feet long (hence the term yardarm) but his hands were just about as near to the ball as his shoulders. He was all at sea (to continue the nautical reference).
I have watched them both a few times now, and I too can't understand why he doesn't at least dive, especially the first.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: buzzingbaggie on September 23, 2019, 07:55:42 PM
Just watched highlights of goals against us this season and its clear Johnson should have prevented at least 2 goals,

1) Forrest beaten at near post.
2) Blackburn fumbled the ball.

Luckily niether of these cost us points. There's also a couple where he may have done better (e.g Millwall at home, I don't think he could have saved either Sunday and sawyers and Bartley were the culprits but there are others where he may/may not of done better, subjective opinion).

On the flip side he certainly saved us a point at Derby away (penalty save) and kept us in the game at Fulham away.
 
A so - so start of the season for me. Could do better but not deserving to be dropped.

What we all know for sure is giving him stick won't help, building him up though may do, as supporters we should do by definition what a 'supporter' does, and support him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 23, 2019, 11:01:37 PM
Meanwhile in the real world SJ can dive (despairing or otherwise).
Remind me, what was the score against Derby, and how did SJ do with a 12 yard shot?
You could also ask to be reminded how many errors he has made this season or how many clean sheets we have .
This whole argument is getting a little bit “brexit” and people not being able to quite get what the opposing view is saying
I’ve said before , I don’t know him, I have no reason to dislike him , I never boo at matches (but can actually understand why some choose to) I don’t need a scapegoat

I personally do not think he is good enough for a team that has ambitions of promotion, I get responses detailing that he saved some penalties and had a good match against derby and Fulham....that’s great , but there are far to many errors, failure to move, failure to dive, failure to command his area.

Again, I cannot see us getting automatic promotion with him in goal,we cannot keep having to score 3 goals to win a match.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 24, 2019, 06:03:15 AM
You could also ask to be reminded how many errors he has made this season or how many clean sheets we have .
This whole argument is getting a little bit “brexit” and people not being able to quite get what the opposing view is saying
I’ve said before , I don’t know him, I have no reason to dislike him , I never boo at matches (but can actually understand why some choose to) I don’t need a scapegoat

I personally do not think he is good enough for a team that has ambitions of promotion, I get responses detailing that he saved some penalties and had a good match against derby and Fulham....that’s great , but there are far to many errors, failure to move, failure to dive, failure to command his area.

Again, I cannot see us getting automatic promotion with him in goal,we cannot keep having to score 3 goals to win a match.

Brexit analogy is a good one.

I agree he has 1 blinder every so often but more often than not he is very suspect I would like to see us try bond or al habsi. And even if he stays as number one this season and we got promoted we would need a keeper no questions.

As you said no signs of improvement doesn't dive half the time doesn't close down the attacker always seems rooted to the spot. Sometimes by gambling you get lucky. Throwing an arm at the effort may yield a save so why not give it a go
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Uncle Peter on September 24, 2019, 08:30:48 AM
[quote author=The Tank

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That first goal was no more than three feet to his left.  An extended arm is three feet long (hence the term yardarm) but his hands were just about as near to the ball as his shoulders. He was all at sea (to continue the nautical reference).
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You may want to get a tape measure out and a book on Nautical etymology, the Yard is spur or cross beam on a mast, the Yardarm, is the tip/end of the spur.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 24, 2019, 08:42:55 AM
Brexit analogy is a good one.

I agree he has 1 blinder every so often but more often than not he is very suspect I would like to see us try bond or al habsi. And even if he stays as number one this season and we got promoted we would need a keeper no questions.

As you said no signs of improvement doesn't dive half the time doesn't close down the attacker always seems rooted to the spot. Sometimes by gambling you get lucky. Throwing an arm at the effort may yield a save so why not give it a go
It's as much perception as anything else. As fans we want to believe that players would run through brick walls for our club and a despairing dive or putting your body on the line gives this impression. If you look at all the great keepers the one trait they all share is bravery. Now, I'm not saying Sam's not brave, I don't know if him, but by letting the ball go in, with no attempt to stop it, even if it may be a lost cause, gives the impression that he just gives up and therefore is not as committed as we expecthim to be.
I would like to see Al Habsi get a run as he comes across as braver, more committed and, let's face it, a bit nuts and I think the fans would really warm to him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 24, 2019, 09:48:30 AM
It's not just the perception, it's reaction times and reducing them.  If you instantly go for the dive it becomes instinct and can be that difference between saving and not saving it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on September 24, 2019, 10:10:04 AM
You could also ask to be reminded how many errors he has made this season or how many clean sheets we have .
OK - Please detail all of the goals that were the direct result of SJ's so-called ineptitude.
Please do not bore me with coaching manual bollox about positioning or he 'could have dived for that'....
Please list the number of times he has dropped the ball in the net or presented an opposition player with an immediate opportunity which lead to a goal.

And if you believe that clean sheets are the sole responsibility of the goalkeeper, you will always be able to hit him with a very big stick......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on September 24, 2019, 10:38:09 AM
One thing I will say is that he doesn't seem to have improved one bit in the entire time he's been here. Now last year he had about four different goalkeeping coaches, so I can't blame him. But this year other players have shown improvement, yet he's not doing anything different, or showing us that he's learning.

I think he's doomed to a Scott Carson-like career.

Doomed ??? Remind who Carson’s employer is please, what’s he paid??
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 24, 2019, 10:58:11 AM
It's not just the perception, it's reaction times and reducing them.  If you instantly go for the dive it becomes instinct and can be that difference between saving and not saving it.
Agree completely mate, if he dives, he may get lucky 1 out of 10 but that 1 could be crucial and, even if the other 9 go in, at least the fans will applaud his effort. At present, he is doing little to convince a lot of us that he has the attitude to be a top keeper.
Regardless of direct mistakes, too many goals are going in without him reacting, and I fail to believe that every one is hit with the sort of pinpoint precision needed to leave a quality keeper that flat footed.
As I said before, the likes of Godden would dive for some of these even if sitting in the stands! It's instinctive. Unfortunately it's an instinct Sam doesn't appear to have. Whether it's confidence, fear, or poor spacial awareness, he needs to get on top of it or he will continue to disappoint.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on September 24, 2019, 11:16:37 AM
[quote author=The Tank

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That first goal was no more than three feet to his left.  An extended arm is three feet long (hence the term yardarm) but his hands were just about as near to the ball as his shoulders. He was all at sea (to continue the nautical reference).


You may want to get a tape measure out and a book on Nautical etymology, the Yard is spur or cross beam on a mast, the Yardarm, is the tip/end of the spur.
Bugger the etymology, as soon as the sun is over the yardarm, I'm happy to splice the mainbrace
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Tank on September 24, 2019, 11:34:01 AM
[quote author=The Tank

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That first goal was no more than three feet to his left.  An extended arm is three feet long (hence the term yardarm) but his hands were just about as near to the ball as his shoulders. He was all at sea (to continue the nautical reference).


You may want to get a tape measure out and a book on Nautical etymology, the Yard is spur or cross beam on a mast, the Yardarm, is the tip/end of the spur.

How about a furlong, then ?    He might be OK in goal
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 24, 2019, 11:46:59 AM
Agree completely mate, if he dives, he may get lucky 1 out of 10 but that 1 could be crucial and, even if the other 9 go in, at least the fans will applaud his effort. At present, he is doing little to convince a lot of us that he has the attitude to be a top keeper.
Regardless of direct mistakes, too many goals are going in without him reacting, and I fail to believe that every one is hit with the sort of pinpoint precision needed to leave a quality keeper that flat footed.
As I said before, the likes of Godden would dive for some of these even if sitting in the stands! It's instinctive. Unfortunately it's an instinct Sam doesn't appear to have. Whether it's confidence, fear, or poor spacial awareness, he needs to get on top of it or he will continue to disappoint.

Talking to my Spurs supporting mate who has seen our highlights this season.  He thinks that our keeper has no mobility.  Made the point that even when he does dive he covers no ground.  His feet often land where they were when he started the dive.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on September 24, 2019, 12:14:05 PM
Brexit analogy is a good one...........

Brexit analogies have no place on a politically 'they' fora, back to Sam and his weight oppressed heavy feet please  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TLMS17 on September 24, 2019, 12:15:38 PM
Got to say, when Sam does dive, so many of them like look it’s in slow motion (not a knock on him just how it seems to me), is this just me that sees it that way?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbatillidie on September 24, 2019, 12:20:58 PM
OK - Please detail all of the goals that were the direct result of SJ's so-called ineptitude.
Please do not bore me with coaching manual bollox about positioning or he 'could have dived for that'....
Please list the number of times he has dropped the ball in the net or presented an opposition player with an immediate opportunity which lead to a goal.

And if you believe that clean sheets are the sole responsibility of the goalkeeper, you will always be able to hit him with a very big stick......

They're not the sole responsibility of the goalkeeper but zero clean sheets this season and very few last season is alarming.

It feels like every half chance our opponents get just flies in the back of the net. We are defending better, have more possession, conceding less shots than last season, but still no clean sheets.

I don't think he's a terrible keeper, but he's definitely not a premier league one. Maybe taking him out of the limelight for a while will do him some good, Bond or Al Habsi deserve a chance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on September 24, 2019, 12:49:39 PM
Doomed ??? Remind who Carson’s employer is please, what’s he paid??

He's not at City to play games, he's there to sit in the stands and make up the numbers. For several years he's been a top-end Championship keeper - that is his natural ceiling, and the same will be true of Johnstone.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on September 24, 2019, 12:49:59 PM
The groundswell of anti Sam views grows at such a pace they make me doubt myself. I have therefore looked at Sunday's goals for the 3rd time. I still don't blame him for them.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on September 24, 2019, 01:01:19 PM
The groundswell of anti Sam views grows at such a pace they make me doubt myself. I have therefore looked at Sunday's goals for the 3rd time. I still don't blame him for them.
Nobody blames him.
It's his lack of reaction that is being pointed out. If he'd made an attempt he may have got to one of them he may not, but standing flatfooted gives him no chance. If it was the first time, it would be a bad day, but it's not and that's what is causing the groundswell.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BalisPen on September 24, 2019, 04:47:32 PM
Some need to cut him some slack.

I think we overpaid for him, but he isn't terrible and is definitely not the reason we don't keep clean sheets.

I think he kept about 25 in his last season with the vilest
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on September 24, 2019, 05:09:50 PM
Agree that we need to lay off the criticism a bit. I am not happy with SJ but hope he can work on some of his more obvious issues and become a better keeper. Perhaps he should be given bit of leeway, all keepers save some and make some mistakes that lead to goals and it seems at the moment every move he makes is being analysed by us armchair super keepers on here. I have been a critic but unless he really does throw one in I will try to refrain


Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: sing on our own on September 24, 2019, 05:47:01 PM
Some need to cut him some slack.

I think we overpaid for him, but he isn't terrible and is definitely not the reason we don't keep clean sheets.

I think he kept about 25 in his last season with the vilest
I think a big part of his performances at Villa was down to having JT in front of him who at that point was still one of the best defenders in Europe. It would have been a massive calming influence for him and players weren’t given the freedom to take shots from all around the box.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on September 24, 2019, 07:23:13 PM
Some need to cut him some slack.

I think we overpaid for him, but he isn't terrible and is definitely not the reason we don't keep clean sheets.

I think he kept about 25 in his last season with the vilest

So if he keeps a clean sheet it's down to the keeper but if he doesnt it's not down to the keeper?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 25, 2019, 12:05:25 PM
I think a big part of his performances at Villa was down to having JT in front of him who at that point was still one of the best defenders in Europe. It would have been a massive calming influence for him and players weren’t given the freedom to take shots from all around the box.
That's exactly the point I was making the other week when I posted that he'd kept around 22 clean sheets at Villa with a better defensive unit in front of him stopping the opposition having so many chances.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on September 28, 2019, 03:24:17 PM
Great getting a clean sheet today, especially away from home against a team scoring for fun this year.

Perhaps we should just take the keeper out of the equation every match and restrict our opponents to 0 shots on target?  :P
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 28, 2019, 03:32:54 PM
Even SJ couldn't contrive conceding today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on September 28, 2019, 03:43:16 PM
He seemed to be kicking the balls from hand more today than the usely playing out from the back 4
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 28, 2019, 05:32:57 PM
If he has nothing to do he looks solid....
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on September 29, 2019, 10:18:25 AM
Even SJ couldn't contrive conceding today.
Just can't help yourself can you? Absolutely no reason to come on here and criticise one of our players when the whole team played so well. Adds nothing intelligent to the discussion. Just petty.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on September 29, 2019, 10:41:56 AM
Just can't help yourself can you? Absolutely no reason to come on here and criticise one of our players when the whole team played so well. Adds nothing intelligent to the discussion. Just petty.

Bang on. Ridiculous comment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2019, 03:46:29 PM
Just can't help yourself can you? Absolutely no reason to come on here and criticise one of our players when the whole team played so well. Adds nothing intelligent to the discussion. Just petty.


Not remotely critical? A wry observation that it's hard to concede if the opposition don't have a shot on target.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on September 29, 2019, 07:55:47 PM

Not remotely critical? A wry observation that it's hard to concede if the opposition don't have a shot on target.
You're being disingenuous and you know full well that you are. You never miss an opportunity to criticise the guy, no matter how he or the team plays. Same with Livermore and Bartley.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 29, 2019, 08:30:23 PM
You're being disingenuous and you know full well that you are. You never miss an opportunity to criticise the guy, no matter how he or the team plays. Same with Livermore and Bartley.


Thanks for telling me my thought process when posting, not sure how I've got by without your input previously...
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on September 29, 2019, 10:11:13 PM
Thats enough thanks guys , back to SJ please
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 29, 2019, 10:16:57 PM
I’m not his biggest fan, but I seriously hope the clean sheet gives him some confidence...another one vs Leeds would be very nice too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on October 01, 2019, 08:34:56 PM
Useless isn’t he
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Brooklynbaggie on October 01, 2019, 10:16:29 PM
Jury’s our for me but I’ll admit he kept us in it tonight. Well done SJ.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 01, 2019, 10:30:08 PM
Useless isn’t he
Not sure anybody has said he was?
Clean sheet Saturday, very good game tonight , hope he keeps it up
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2019, 10:46:25 PM
Double save was good. Rest was regulation, and again didn't dive for the goal.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on October 01, 2019, 11:00:17 PM
Double save was good. Rest was regulation, and again didn't dive for the goal.
Is that a serious criticism or just a pointless observation?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on October 01, 2019, 11:01:03 PM
Always been a good shot stopper but anything low to his right or left he struggles with. Not the finished article and needs to improve on his distribution as well as commanding his box
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 01, 2019, 11:22:33 PM
Is that a serious criticism or just a pointless observation?


Not a criticism in isolation, but every goal we concede seems to be accompanied by him standing stock still flat footed watching it go in.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on October 01, 2019, 11:30:05 PM

Not a criticism in isolation, but every goal we concede seems to be accompanied by him standing stock still flat footed watching it go in.
Probably because it wasn't going in until Bartley deflected the ball. He would have needed the reflexes of Superman to get near that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on October 01, 2019, 11:41:49 PM

Not a criticism in isolation, but every goal we concede seems to be accompanied by him standing stock still flat footed watching it go in.
Are you apportioning SJ with any blame for the Leeds goal?  ::)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on October 01, 2019, 11:50:46 PM
Probably because it wasn't going in until Bartley deflected the ball. He would have needed the reflexes of Superman to get near that.

But isn't that why keepers dive anyway, even if they think it's going wide?  If there's somem spin, or a deflection, etc, then they're on their way.

Just to be clear, i do not blame SJ for the goal tonight.  I thought he had one of his better games.  We still had to head too many clear from practically under his cross bar, and he needs to work on pushing the ball out of the danger zone and not into it. 

It's an observation that I've never seen a keeper concede so many and be nowhere near the ball.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 02, 2019, 12:18:57 AM
But isn't that why keepers dive anyway, even if they think it's going wide?  If there's somem spin, or a deflection, etc, then they're on their way.

Just to be clear, i do not blame SJ for the goal tonight.  I thought he had one of his better games.  We still had to head too many clear from practically under his cross bar, and he needs to work on pushing the ball out of the danger zone and not into it. 

It's an observation that I've never seen a keeper concede so many and be nowhere near the ball.
Maybe he is under instruction
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on October 02, 2019, 06:07:18 AM
Probably because it wasn't going in until Bartley deflected the ball. He would have needed the reflexes of Superman to get near that.

I think it would have gone in because Bamford was behind him in an offside position, but you are spot on about having no time to react to the deflection. SJ kept us in that game last night.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on October 02, 2019, 01:03:36 PM

Not a criticism in isolation, but every goal we concede seems to be accompanied by him standing stock still flat footed watching it go in.

On many occasions he does yes, but that one last night, no way! It was going wide until the deflection.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 02, 2019, 01:05:46 PM
He had no chance with the goal last night - rubbish even mentioning it in my view.

His double save was excellent - more impressed with the first save as that required such quick reactions.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on October 02, 2019, 01:12:59 PM
Maybe he is under instruction

Unless he's made out of biscuit, then I can't see the instructions being "Whatever you do Sam, don't dive for the ball".  As skyclad sent, Bamford was behind him and would have had a tap in (albeit offside).  Again, I'm not blaming him for conceding, I just think he has mobility issues and it shows up with har far away he can be from the ball when it goes in.

While I'm at it, it's a bit annoying the commentators reckoned if Bamford had tapped it in it would have been offside - you could argue that Bartley put his foot out *because* Bamford was behind him so I'd consider that interfering with play.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 02, 2019, 05:27:08 PM
Unless he's made out of biscuit, then I can't see the instructions being "Whatever you do Sam, don't dive for the ball".  As skyclad sent, Bamford was behind him and would have had a tap in (albeit offside).  Again, I'm not blaming him for conceding, I just think he has mobility issues and it shows up with har far away he can be from the ball when it goes in.

While I'm at it, it's a bit annoying the commentators reckoned if Bamford had tapped it in it would have been offside - you could argue that Bartley put his foot out *because* Bamford was behind him so I'd consider that interfering with play.
Yes to all of this
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 05, 2019, 09:36:02 PM
He is "holding his own".
With a solid back line, his confidence and his abilities will help him to advance into a decent keeper.
Who wants Foster back? ... You know, the one who keeps shipping goals for Watford.
SJ can only get better.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 05, 2019, 09:38:36 PM
He is "holding his own".
With a solid back line, his confidence and his abilities will help him to advance into a decent keeper.
Who wants Foster back? ... You know, the one who keeps shipping goals for Watford.
SJ can only get better.


Would take Foster back tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnny Cash on October 05, 2019, 09:44:08 PM
So would I. He was fortunate the flag went up or there would be more questions tonight.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 05, 2019, 09:45:18 PM

Would take Foster back tomorrow.
I like "Fozzie", but we have to invest in the future.
Foster jumped ship and showed his true colours.
SJ isn't the finished article.
He doesn't cover nor dive to his left with confidence. This needs to be coached into him.
We have a "work in progress".
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on October 05, 2019, 10:09:56 PM
So would I. He was fortunate the flag went up or there would be more questions tonight.

Correct. That was another awful mistake, rescued by the linesman.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on October 05, 2019, 10:10:55 PM
I for one still think he’s “not very good”
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on October 05, 2019, 10:12:04 PM
Yep, GK area definitely needs improving at the end of the season. The odd worldy isn't enough when you cannot do the simple things right half the time.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on November 23, 2019, 06:37:42 PM
I’ve been one of his biggest critics but think he’s improved recently. His distribution is probably one of the best we’ve had in a keeper and the point blank save from Fletcher was one of the best I’ve seen in a while, even if he was offside. Rightly got a full standing ovation from the Smethick.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on November 23, 2019, 06:43:13 PM
Yep I'm not a fan but he was much better today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Adamstv on November 23, 2019, 06:47:50 PM
If he’d just stood on his line for the penalty he’d have saved it 😉
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 23, 2019, 07:05:11 PM
We're reaching now aren't we, are we really praising him for saving a shot that wouldn't have counted?


I can only imagine the pelters I'd get if I praised Brunty for a great finish when he was yards offside.


This need to 'big up' poor players that get justified stick when they under perform is creeping into our fans. Yes praise them if they actually do well (Bartley today/ HRK off the bench a couple of times recently) but this virtue signalling is not for me. Sorry.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on November 23, 2019, 07:32:09 PM
We're reaching now aren't we, are we really praising him for saving a shot that wouldn't have counted?


I can only imagine the pelters I'd get if I praised Brunty for a great finish when he was yards offside.


This need to 'big up' poor players that get justified stick when they under perform is creeping into our fans. Yes praise them if they actually do well (Bartley today/ HRK off the bench a couple of times recently) but this virtue signalling is not for me. Sorry.
He's doing the basics much better , still a question for me over long range shots . I'll give him credit for putting a run of solid games together , hope the steady improvement continues.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on November 23, 2019, 07:51:44 PM
We're reaching now aren't we, are we really praising him for saving a shot that wouldn't have counted?


I can only imagine the pelters I'd get if I praised Brunty for a great finish when he was yards offside.


This need to 'big up' poor players that get justified stick when they under perform is creeping into our fans. Yes praise them if they actually do well (Bartley today/ HRK off the bench a couple of times recently) but this virtue signalling is not for me. Sorry.

Which is what I did.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 23, 2019, 08:26:37 PM
We're reaching now aren't we, are we really praising him for saving a shot that wouldn't have counted?


I can only imagine the pelters I'd get if I praised Brunty for a great finish when he was yards offside.


This need to 'big up' poor players that get justified stick when they under perform is creeping into our fans. Yes praise them if they actually do well (Bartley today/ HRK off the bench a couple of times recently) but this virtue signalling is not for me. Sorry.
You are correct
That fumble was embarrassing, and still fails to come off his line when a proper keeper would .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on November 23, 2019, 10:35:31 PM
I’m a believer in giving criticism when it is appropriate and praise when it’s due. Fair and reasonable is a fair an reasonable approach imo
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 23, 2019, 11:17:44 PM
I’m a believer in giving criticism when it is appropriate and praise when it’s due. Fair and reasonable is a fair an reasonable approach imo
So on today’s performance ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on November 24, 2019, 08:52:00 AM
He was fine yesterday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on November 24, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
We've conceded once in the last 3 games, at present it's not an issue. All things considered yesterdays win is probably the most significant one this season when it's looked at in depth.
3 players whose suspensions have been served
Hegazi,Barry and Brunt getting game time which will be vital with the Xmas period coming up.
Forced change in personnel which at some point during a season you need to see if we have the players to play the same system and still win games.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 24, 2019, 12:38:48 PM
He was fine yesterday.
You thought the fumble and failure to come of his line was fine?
Furlong went absolutely mad at him first half when he failed to come and we ended up conceding a corner .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on November 24, 2019, 12:58:22 PM
He is a decent Championship level keeper, good shot stopper generally, his distribution is very good, his command of his box is not, will be okay this year, but if we get promoted, we will need better.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 24, 2019, 01:14:25 PM
You thought the fumble and failure to come of his line was fine?
Furlong went absolutely mad at him first half when he failed to come and we ended up conceding a corner .
Given some of the performances by goalkeepers witnessed in yesterdays Prem games I'm more than happy to give him a fine rising to a pretty good
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 24, 2019, 01:39:06 PM
Given some of the performances by goalkeepers witnessed in yesterdays Prem games I'm more than happy to give him a fine rising to a pretty good
Nice one Frank
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on November 24, 2019, 02:39:31 PM
He is a decent Championship level keeper, good shot stopper generally, his distribution is very good, his command of his box is not, will be okay this year, but if we get promoted, we will need better.

That’s a very fair summing up of him in my view.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 24, 2019, 06:30:37 PM
Given some of the performances by goalkeepers witnessed in yesterdays Prem games I'm more than happy to give him a fine rising to a pretty good
Not sure that if someone else is bad it makes our keeper good ?
He’s not great and if we go up it’ll be priority to improve that position
Can’t understand the need for fans to not see what is in front of their noses
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on November 24, 2019, 07:17:26 PM
Definitely improved under Bilic but needs to command area better, like to see him come for more crosses.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on November 24, 2019, 07:34:42 PM
You thought the fumble and failure to come of his line was fine?
Furlong went absolutely mad at him first half when he failed to come and we ended up conceding a corner .
A fumble that led to what?
A corner conceded which led to what?
When his balls ups cost us goals, he is undoubtedly worthy of criticism, but worrying about such minor issues indicates your antipathy towards the guy. The 'failure' to come for the ball when urged to do so by Furlong, was imo Furlong misreading the situation NOT SJ.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 24, 2019, 08:24:24 PM
A fumble that led to what?
A corner conceded which led to what?
When his balls ups cost us goals, he is undoubtedly worthy of criticism, but worrying about such minor issues indicates your antipathy towards the guy. The 'failure' to come for the ball when urged to do so by Furlong, was imo Furlong misreading the situation NOT SJ.
My antipathy?
I don’t know him, he’s one of the players in the team I support, I’d love him to be good...but he isn’t and I don’t get the clamour to defend him when he really has been quite poor most of the time.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on November 24, 2019, 08:40:59 PM
My antipathy?
I don’t know him, he’s one of the players in the team I support, I’d love him to be good...but he isn’t and I don’t get the clamour to defend him when he really has been quite poor most of the time.

Says it all. "Poor most of the time," does not accurately reflect SJ's performances this season.
Please list the errors SJ has made which led directly to goals being conceded.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 24, 2019, 08:44:57 PM
Says it all. "Poor most of the time," does not accurately reflect SJ's performances this season.
Please list the errors SJ has made which led directly to goals being conceded.


This is not the definitive variable that makes him poor.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 24, 2019, 09:58:21 PM
Says it all. "Poor most of the time," does not accurately reflect SJ's performances this season.
Please list the errors SJ has made which led directly to goals being conceded.
No,it’s what I ( and many others see) if you don’t that’s up to you, but I don’t have to give you any list
Every single match remaining rooted to his line ....when he should come and claim , for a keeper that wants to be top champ to prem ...quite simply not good enough
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on November 24, 2019, 10:33:05 PM
Well, in spite of all the misguided criticism (from a tiny minority of the people that actually watch the games), at least the head coach hasn't seen fit to change the keeper, even though he has bought in another.
I'm with Bilic. :D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: overseas baggie on November 24, 2019, 11:20:15 PM
I honestly don’t know if he’s good enough for the Premier League but there’s not many better in the Championship. Let’s get behind him and then have the nice task of considering that question next summer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: stuvetti on November 26, 2019, 09:24:09 AM
I honestly don’t know if he’s good enough for the Premier League but there’s not many better in the Championship. Let’s get behind him and then have the nice task of considering that question next summer.

Couldn't agree more.

Part of the "problem" is that the Benchmark is Foster, who is streets ahead of any keeper I've seen since I have supported the club.

We have had plenty of keepers where you get the heebee geebie's when ever the ball goes near them and he's not in that category. 

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on December 02, 2019, 09:55:28 PM
Superb save tonight, how many games is it since we've conceded away from home!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Bilston Dan on December 02, 2019, 09:57:05 PM
At first glance it looked like it might have been going wide and was just a TV save but the replay showed ot was a cracking save.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on December 02, 2019, 09:58:51 PM
That was a fantastic save from the much pilloried Johnstone.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on December 02, 2019, 10:06:29 PM
Yep, great save!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: buzzingbaggie on December 02, 2019, 10:07:10 PM
A good game and a good season so far for Johnston. Less and less negative comments think he's turning the boo boys around
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2019, 10:26:36 PM
Well done to Sam, he's looking more at ease every game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 02, 2019, 10:33:57 PM
I am quite happy to say when he deserves credit, another clean sheet and a really top class save....what I can’t do is understand that people feel a need to suck up to him, even when he makes basic errors
He played well again tonight, long may it continue
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on December 02, 2019, 10:34:33 PM
Superb save tonight, how many games is it since we've conceded away from home!

4 consecutive shutouts away from home I believe.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on December 02, 2019, 10:44:51 PM
SJ / KB / HRK, all vastly improved, I can clearly remember folks on here asking who TP or AP had improved, the staff and SB deserve great credit for this
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on December 02, 2019, 10:53:00 PM
I am quite happy to say when he deserves credit, another clean sheet and a really top class save....what I can’t do is understand that people feel a need to suck up to him, even when he makes basic errors
He played well again tonight, long may it continue
And just when did he last make a basic error?
I'd also compliment SJ on his distribution tonight.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on December 02, 2019, 10:54:51 PM
Great save that was to tip it round the post. Distribution spot on as usual too
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2019, 11:11:19 PM
Looking forward to seeing it again, as looked a regulation save at the game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on December 02, 2019, 11:12:32 PM
Looking forward to seeing it again, as looked a regulation save at the game.

Here we go again. Give him a little credit... please
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on December 02, 2019, 11:14:16 PM
Looking forward to seeing it again, as looked a regulation save at the game.

Another pointless pathetic post.

Best keeper in the league, without a doubt.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2019, 11:19:40 PM
Here we go again. Give him a little credit... please


Can I see it back? I've had one chance to see it and it looked comfortable.


Another pointless pathetic post.

Best keeper in the league, without a doubt.


Very touchy? Hardly pathetic, giving my view I was surprised  to see the thread had been updated


Oh and definitely not the best keeper in the league.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jamesh_91 on December 02, 2019, 11:39:16 PM

Can I see it back? I've had one chance to see it and it looked comfortable.



Very touchy? Hardly pathetic, giving my view I was surprised  to see the thread had been updated


Oh and definitely not the best keeper in the league.

So why don't you actually watch it back before making a comment and riling people up the wrong way unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on December 02, 2019, 11:40:57 PM
Another pointless pathetic post.

Best keeper in the league, without a doubt.
Not the best keeper at all he is awful at commanding his area never calls and never moves. Never comes beyond the 6 yard box!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2019, 11:41:17 PM
So why don't you actually watch it back before making a comment and riling people up the wrong way unnecessarily.


Why should I do that, I wanted to give my opinion based on seeing it real time?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on December 02, 2019, 11:44:29 PM

Why should I do that, I wanted to give my opinion based on seeing it real time?
They have seen 20 plus replays and different angles  ;)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2019, 11:52:16 PM
So why don't you actually watch it back before making a comment and riling people up the wrong way unnecessarily.


Also, they're in the wrong game if they get riled up by dissenting views...
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Andio on December 02, 2019, 11:53:04 PM

Can I see it back? I've had one chance to see it and it looked comfortable.

When you see it back I think you will change your mind mate. He was unsighted to begin with I think.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2019, 12:09:45 AM
And just when did he last make a basic error?
I'd also compliment SJ on his distribution tonight.
Failing to come off his line, fumbling a basic catch...all recent

But like I said, decent tonight, why so touchy?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 03, 2019, 12:12:15 AM
Superb save that ultimately, together with the Ferguson block from the Sawyers mistake, enabled us to win the game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on December 03, 2019, 12:25:18 AM
Failing to come off his line, fumbling a basic catch...all recent

But like I said, decent tonight, why so touchy?
Not touchy at all, actually.
Just brassed off and bored that there is a constant scrutiny of minutia where SJ is concerned.
Fumbling  a basic catch?? :-X Which led to what exactly? ::)
How many hours will he have play, without any blemish whatsoever, before you stop damning him with faint praise?

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 03, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
I was his biggest critic earlier in the season but SJ has really stepped up his game lately.  No complaints.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on December 03, 2019, 07:48:50 AM
Looking forward to seeing it again, as looked a regulation save at the game.

Seriously Jacko? I don't normally rise but that was a top drawer save. It was called world class by Mr Hendrie, who I have to say was very pro us last night but objective as well.

Sam won us those points last night, we could have easily been losing when the penalty was awarded.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on December 03, 2019, 10:28:31 AM
Seriously Jacko? I don't normally rise but that was a top drawer save. It was called world class by Mr Hendrie, who I have to say was very pro us last night but objective as well.

Sam won us those points last night, we could have easily been losing when the penalty was awarded.
You have allowed yourself to rise !! You must know by now that Jacko doesn't do changing his mind. Once it's made up, that's it. If he thinks a player is good (Brunt, Morrison, Phillips, Foster etc), there will be very little if any criticism even if that player has had a stinker, and gushing praise for even the most average of displays. If he thinks a player is bad (Johnstone, Bartley, Livermore etc) they will be castigated for  even the smallest of errors, and even when they put in a succession of good displays, praise will be grudging and minimal if at all. (He will then get touchy whenever anyone points this out to him).
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 03, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
The save from SJ was an absolute worldy.  I judge them by what I would think if they'd gone in.  If that had nestled in the corner then there'd be zero blame on SJ, therefore it must have been a great save.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on December 03, 2019, 11:21:46 AM
Having seen the highlights I don't think it was a worldly of a save, and I didn't think the Preston keeper's similar save was a worldly either. Both saves were however very good and vitally important for their teams especially given the balance of play in both instances. Well done Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2019, 03:30:33 PM
Not touchy at all, actually.
Just brassed off and bored that there is a constant scrutiny of minutia where SJ is concerned.
Fumbling  a basic catch?? :-X Which led to what exactly? ::)
How many hours will he have play, without any blemish whatsoever, before you stop damning him with faint praise?
I said he played well tonight,he made a match saving save ...I have no agenda,I call it as I see it .....
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on December 03, 2019, 07:11:17 PM
8/10 for the save. He did well to get across as the ball was directed right into the inside of the post, and it came through bodies blocking his view but helpfully the shot didn't have much pace on it so he could get across his line. Not quite a world class save but very good. My only criticism of him last night was that corner second half in which he missed the ball trying to punch it and their big lump of a striker thankfully headed it over. That's his biggest weakness, commanding his box from crosses. Fingers crossed the run of clean sheets away from home is helping his confidence.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ashdoy on December 03, 2019, 10:50:41 PM
I stand by my claim that he’s the best in the league; can anyone name anybody better?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 04, 2019, 12:10:45 AM
I stand by my claim that he’s the best in the league; can anyone name anybody better?

Last year I would of said Butland but Stoke have completely destroyed and done a Carson on him. SJ is best outside the prem at moment
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Webby on December 11, 2019, 08:58:54 PM
So another 25 yard shot goes in (albeit off his back). He is either not moving his feet quick enough or not reacting quick enough when they're lining up to shoot surely?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on December 11, 2019, 09:04:20 PM
So another 25 yard shot goes in (albeit off his back). He is either not moving his feet quick enough or not reacting quick enough when they're lining up to shoot surely?

That was a howler. I’ve seen it live and three replays. Shot was at a very saveable height and nowhere near the corner. Fairly routine save, hit from a long way out. Rather than turn it around the post he made a right mess of it and got a very weak crisp packet hand on it. So he only managed to turn the ball onto the post. It hit the post, hit him and then went in. Entirely his fault and a howler.

In the first half he also made a mess of another shot from distance, spilling it right back onto the penalty leading to a great follow up save from another error.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on December 11, 2019, 10:29:07 PM
Yep that's a howler for me too. Coupled with the awful save in the first half that rebounded straight out to the penalty spot.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on December 11, 2019, 10:39:57 PM
He should have done much better with shot as well for me. Was nowhere near top corner. It's either slow feet or poor positioning.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on December 11, 2019, 10:46:03 PM
Sam kept us in game and immediately rectified his mistake in first half, but where were his team mates when bloke had freedom of park to shoot from just outside of the box?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: California Dreaming on December 11, 2019, 11:41:05 PM
Our best player tonight.


Though that's not saying much.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 11, 2019, 11:44:14 PM
Our best player tonight.


Though that's not saying much.


Can assure you he wasn't.


He made a regulation save from a header near the end, everything else he did was poor.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: California Dreaming on December 12, 2019, 12:15:09 AM
You are entitled to your opinion, though as usual I disagree. So who was better?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2019, 12:25:36 AM
You are entitled to your opinion, though as usual I disagree. So who was better?


Ajayi...


In fact none of the others cost us a goal so I could make an argument for any of them.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 12, 2019, 12:51:05 AM

Ajayi...


In fact none of the others cost us a goal so I could make an argument for any of them.
Come on you
I ain’t his best fan either, but me and you could of jump the hoardings and got closer to the guy shooting because our boys just stood off him, if they close the shot doesn’t even come in
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mikkyk on December 12, 2019, 12:54:57 AM
I was absolutely right behind the shot and there was a west brom player directly between him and the ball so he didn't see it until very late, whether that's poor positioning from SJ, bad closing down from us or unlucky is the judgement
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2019, 12:56:45 AM
Come on you
I ain’t his best fan either, but me and you could of jump the hoardings and got closer to the guy shooting because our boys just stood off him, if they close the shot doesn’t even come in


He's 35 yards out, doesn't catch it sweetly, nowhere near going in the corner. There is no way that scenario should result in a goal irrespective of closing down. People keep asking when he's directly cost us? Well there you go. Tonight he cost us. He has got a serious problem with long range shots.


That wasn't all, the shot that hit the bar saw him rooted to the spot as usual. Luckily the Wigan played totally miscued the rebound. Then there is the save first half which was a good save, but it only came because he totally f****d up a tame shot straight at him.


If Austin doesn't get us out of the **** the lad has just got us beat by 23rd in the league.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: California Dreaming on December 12, 2019, 01:55:33 AM

He's 35 yards out, doesn't catch it sweetly, nowhere near going in the corner. There is no way that scenario should result in a goal irrespective of closing down. People keep asking when he's directly cost us? Well there you go. Tonight he cost us. He has got a serious problem with long range shots.


That wasn't all, the shot that hit the bar saw him rooted to the spot as usual. Luckily the Wigan played totally miscued the rebound. Then there is the save first half which was a good save, but it only came because he totally f****d up a tame shot straight at him.


If Austin doesn't get us out of the **** the lad has just got us beat by 23rd in the league.

There might be one or two words in there that make sense but probably not. I get that you're not a Johnstone fan but that's, in my opinion of course, utter complete boll**ks. No mention of Ferguson standing still allowing a forward to stroll in and take the ball off him and the complete lack of closing down. As for being "rooted to the spot"...if he'd made a pointless dive he wouldn't have been in a position to save the header back.... no doubt you'd have blamed him for lying on the ground. Looking at other sites where people have marked the performances of the players, Johnstone receives the highest marks in all 3, but they probably don't have an agenda.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2019, 02:20:19 AM
There might be one or two words in there that make sense but probably not. I get that you're not a Johnstone fan but that's, in my opinion of course, utter complete boll**ks. No mention of Ferguson standing still allowing a forward to stroll in and take the ball off him and the complete lack of closing down. As for being "rooted to the spot"...if he'd made a pointless dive he wouldn't have been in a position to save the header back.... no doubt you'd have blamed him for lying on the ground. Looking at other sites where people have marked the performances of the players, Johnstone receives the highest marks in all 3, but they probably don't have an agenda.


Did you go the game?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: California Dreaming on December 12, 2019, 05:16:58 AM
No. A 10000 mile round trip to Wigan on a Wednesday night is a bit much. However I watched it live, with the benefit of replays and am therefore entitled to an opinion. Does actually being present give you some special insight not available to me?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 12, 2019, 08:07:56 AM
Sam didn't cost us last night.If anything he won us a point by keeping us in the game.Most neutrals who will have watched that would say the same thing.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 12, 2019, 08:24:19 AM
SJ is OK at close shot stopping.
His judgement about the flight of the ball from distances needs to improve.
When the ball is close, it doesn't have much chance to "move" in the air.
On long shots he has to be more alert and ready to get to it quickly and not just ball watch.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on December 12, 2019, 08:39:31 AM

Did you go the game?
Going by your activity on here and your hunt for streams on a matchday I'd say you have missed a fair amount of games  yourself but we still listen and respect your opinion so lets not play the did you go card .
Only caught highlights of the game but I've always said long range is a weakness despite recent improvement in other areas , that said the defending before the strike is very poor .
It seems we as a team have to be bang at it protecting SJ to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 12, 2019, 09:03:27 AM
Yeah, absurd to say Sam cost us that.  He made a couple of brilliant saves, spilt one regulation save but made up for it.  Their goal was a decent effort, he saved it and it came off the post and hit his back and went in.  Just unlucky.  The build up to that was shocking as Ferguson just gave the ball away by standing still and waiting for it to come to him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: buzzingbaggie on December 12, 2019, 09:27:23 AM
I thought Sam had a good game overall. I thought his footwork was excellent and always supported the team with an option. Be interesting to see how many touches/passes he actually made?

Also his reading of the game and anticipation off the line  was spot on.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 12, 2019, 11:44:49 AM
Serious question and not meant to be snide in any way but does he need his eyes testing?
Maybe he has an issue picking up the flight of balls struck from a distance due to an imbalance of some sort in his vision?
Possibly easily corrected with appropriate contact lens or lenses?
Any opticians or optometrists, ophthalmologists  on here?  (go on surprise us all  8))
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 12, 2019, 12:22:56 PM

Did you go the game?

Yes and you are totally wrong, we should have lost 4:1 except for Johnstones goal saving performance.

I suppose Brunt in goal would have suited you ;)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 12, 2019, 12:25:25 PM
Serious question and not meant to be snide in any way but does he need his eyes testing?
Maybe he has an issue picking up the flight of balls struck from a distance due to an imbalance of some sort in his vision?
Possibly easily corrected with appropriate contact lens or lenses?
Any opticians or optometrists, ophthalmologists  on here?  (go on surprise us all  8))

Honestly, I think it's just down to him not being very mobile.  He doesn't move his feet enough really and when he dives there's no real stretch there sometimes.  If you look where his feet are when he takes off for a dive and where they end up they can be in the same place.  More like a tree falling to the ground than an actual dive.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on December 12, 2019, 12:33:09 PM
Serious question and not meant to be snide in any way but does he need his eyes testing?
Maybe he has an issue picking up the flight of balls struck from a distance due to an imbalance of some sort in his vision?
Possibly easily corrected with appropriate contact lens or lenses?
Any opticians or optometrists, ophthalmologists  on here?  (go on surprise us all  8))

I also mentioned this earlier on in this thread. Does anyone know if he wears contact lenses during games?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2019, 03:55:09 PM
Yes and you are totally wrong, we should have lost 4:1 except for Johnstones goal saving performance.

I suppose Brunt in goal would have suited you


I'd love to hear about these 4 goals we should have conceded 👀
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 12, 2019, 05:50:15 PM
No need, if you were there :D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2019, 05:57:19 PM
No need, if you were there


There weren't any, hence your response.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on December 12, 2019, 06:33:03 PM
Some people moaning about him but i thought he was unlucky with the goal. Nobody mentioned the Wigan goalie!.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2019, 06:38:56 PM
Some people moaning about him but i thought he was unlucky with the goal. Nobody mentioned the Wigan goalie!.


Wigan keeper isn't our problem, terrible mistake. He is the first opposition keeper I've seen this season who I wouldn't prefer to SJ.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on December 12, 2019, 10:03:56 PM

Wigan keeper isn't our problem, terrible mistake. He is the first opposition keeper I've seen this season who I wouldn't prefer to SJ.

I now know why I quickly skip past your posts.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2019, 04:25:47 PM

Disappointing 2nd goal to concede, I would expect most goalkeepers to get to that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on December 14, 2019, 04:30:18 PM
Disappointing 2nd goal to concede, I would expect most goalkeepers to get to that.

I have defended SJ, but I have to say today, I thought he could have done better with both their goals
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2019, 04:34:36 PM
Very poor again today. Won in spite of him, 2nd goal looks particularly bad.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on December 14, 2019, 04:42:57 PM
Not just his inconsistent shot stopping nor his poor catching and judgement from distance, but the total lack of presence in his area. He is a nightmare for defenders who have not got a clue if he is going to come or if he has a shot covered or not. It then becomes the defenders responsibility to deal with situations the keeper should be taking charge of, and mistakes are never far away.  I am not saying he is useless, he does make some excellent saves, but a steady keeper who can develop and work as a team wth his defenders would I am sure result in far more clean sheets than we are getting at present and would make us far more difficult to scor against generally
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Adder on December 14, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
I thought he could have done more for the 2nd goal. I think it took a bit of a funny trajectory though as I think Townsend got something on it which seemed to give it more of a looping trajectory plus Ferguson was jumping for the ball just in front of him.

Sometimes I wish he had a bit more urgency in his body language.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on December 14, 2019, 05:24:35 PM
Not just his inconsistent shot stopping nor his poor catching and judgement from distance, but the total lack of presence in his area. He is a nightmare for defenders who have not got a clue if he is going to come or if he has a shot covered or not. It then becomes the defenders responsibility to deal with situations the keeper should be taking charge of, and mistakes are never far away.  I am not saying he is useless, he does make some excellent saves, but a steady keeper who can develop and work as a team wth his defenders would I am sure result in far more clean sheets than we are getting at present and would make us far more difficult to scor against generally

Agree with all of this. His distribution is very good but everything else is very poor. He's a nightmare and we have to replace him in the summer if we are in the PL.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2019, 05:41:03 PM
Both goals today, rather than coming and commanding his box, he backed off so much he was in his own net. Doesn't have the guts or presence to be a top keeper.
Good save first half though.
We need better.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 14, 2019, 05:43:37 PM
This is a recurring theme on this board.
Hean have good games and then blows it completely by making absolute howlers.
Hes a bog standard Championship goalkeeper.
We must look to replace him.
The defence don't seem to understand what he wants.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on December 14, 2019, 05:56:20 PM
Should've saved the second goal for me. Townsend was awful today and was beaten to the header but it was from far enough out, not overly powerful, Sam has to get across and stop that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbastrollers on December 14, 2019, 06:15:37 PM
Johnstone is a shot stopper, he has made some incredible saves, particularly from close range, both recent games I went to Preston and Wigan he saved us points.However, he does appear to have a problem with long shots. Whether it’s because the ball is moving I don’t know.
Also, we are particularly suspect at set pieces. That may be because we appear to zonal mark for corners etc (which I find great difficulty in understanding) why we don’t match up there most dangerous players at set pieces with ours - instead we end up, like today with Blues exploiting a total mismatch with Townsend marking there best player at set pieces and the ball ends up in the back of the net?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 14, 2019, 06:20:30 PM
Livermore was picking up Jutowic at corners today. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 14, 2019, 06:21:40 PM
Livermore was picking up Jutowic at corners today.
Why? Had Jutowic fell over?  :P   Soz.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on December 14, 2019, 06:25:35 PM
I know somebody who's been on the cooking sherry again  ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 14, 2019, 06:31:06 PM
I know somebody who's been on the cooking sherry again  ;D
You can actually cook with it?
Now there's an idea.
Sprouts tossed in sherry.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on December 14, 2019, 07:54:14 PM
Very poor again today. Won in spite of him, 2nd goal looks particularly bad.

VAR would have disallowed the 2nd goal surely has from the 1st corner there player used his hands on Livamores shoulders to win the header but i must agree SJ should have saved the goal.
SJ has made some big strides this season but he needs to controll cross's in his 6yd box & not just stand on his line.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2019, 08:48:23 AM
VAR would have disallowed the 2nd goal surely has from the 1st corner there player used his hands on Livamores shoulders to win the header but i must agree SJ should have saved the goal.
SJ has made some big strides this season but he needs to controll cross's in his 6yd box & not just stand on his line.


We're not subject to VAR and by the time we are, with any luck, Sam Johnstone will be a distant memory.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnny Cash on December 15, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
Not that it really matters, but I don’t think VAR would have ruled it out. I suspect a new corner is a new phase of play and so they wouldn’t even look.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on December 15, 2019, 09:31:30 AM
Johnstone is a shot stopper, he has made some incredible saves, particularly from close range, both recent games I went to Preston and Wigan he saved us points.However, he does appear to have a problem with long shots. Whether it’s because the ball is moving I don’t know.
Also, we are particularly suspect at set pieces. That may be because we appear to zonal mark for corners etc (which I find great difficulty in understanding) why we don’t match up there most dangerous players at set pieces with ours - instead we end up, like today with Blues exploiting a total mismatch with Townsend marking there best player at set pieces and the ball ends up in the back of the net?
I think Bilic said earlier that the zonal marking makes it easier to break forward if/when we get the ball with players in their "regular" positions
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on December 15, 2019, 10:28:44 AM
Our problem with zonal marking is that SJ does not control his zone. Except perhaps the bit along the white line between the sticks, and sometimes not even all of that bit
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ronnie_allen on December 15, 2019, 11:53:32 AM
VAR would have disallowed the 2nd goal surely has from the 1st corner there player used his hands on Livamores shoulders to win the header but i must agree SJ should have saved the goal.
SJ has made some big strides this season but he needs to controll cross's in his 6yd box & not just stand on his line.

Don't think VAR would have changed the outcome of the 2nd goal. The foul occurred led to a corner whichnisn't reviewable and as this is a new phase or reset, we can't go back to review it once the goal is scored.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on December 15, 2019, 01:07:48 PM
Don't think VAR would have changed the outcome of the 2nd goal. The foul occurred led to a corner whichnisn't reviewable and as this is a new phase or reset, we can't go back to review it once the goal is scored.

Not 100% sure of the phase 1 or 2 thing works if im being honest but surley there wouldnt have been a phase 2 if the foul in phase 1 had been seen by the ref.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on December 16, 2019, 11:43:10 PM
Both goals today, rather than coming and commanding his box, he backed off so much he was in his own net. Doesn't have the guts or presence to be a top keeper.
Good save first half though.
We need better.
>:( Yes I have the same feeling...you have to command your 6 yard area and let your defenders know this. I felt the 2nd goal he was backing into his own net making a save impossible. I think he is a good keeper,but needs to get a few of those balls in the 6 yard area.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on December 17, 2019, 12:53:46 PM
I am constantly torn about the guy. There is absolutely no doubt he has made vital point winning saves (several away games) this season. Equally so the poor displays continue to haunt him; Birmingham on Saturday being a prime example.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on December 17, 2019, 01:18:10 PM
I am constantly torn about the guy. There is absolutely no doubt he has made vital point winning saves (several away games) this season. Equally so the poor displays continue to haunt him; Birmingham on Saturday being a prime example.

I often think that we are too hard on Sam at times. We need to remember that we had Ben beforehand and he was in a different class. I get frustrated when the opposition score a worldie and some post comments about the fact he did not save it. Some even tell us what he is doing wrong and how he needs to improve. Perhaps they should pop along to the training ground and impart their wisdom :)

Having said that, the 2nd goal on Saturday was as soft as they come and I personally think that he could have got that. We need to look deeper as Dean should never have been allowed the header but Townsend did nothing to help the situation. I am not sure he could have done too much about the bullet header from Juke though...….

Overall I like him though, and I think he has improved this season. However I know that there is better out there. Struggling to think of too many keepers in the Championship who are better though. The only one I can think of is the racist chap [allegedly] at Leeds :) Anyone else??? 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on December 17, 2019, 02:50:23 PM
I often think that we are too hard on Sam at times. We need to remember that we had Ben beforehand and he was in a different class. I get frustrated when the opposition score a worldie and some post comments about the fact he did not save it. Some even tell us what he is doing wrong and how he needs to improve. Perhaps they should pop along to the training ground and impart their wisdom :)

Having said that, the 2nd goal on Saturday was as soft as they come and I personally think that he could have got that. We need to look deeper as Dean should never have been allowed the header but Townsend did nothing to help the situation. I am not sure he could have done too much about the bullet header from Juke though...….

Overall I like him though, and I think he has improved this season. However I know that there is better out there. Struggling to think of too many keepers in the Championship who are better though. The only one I can think of is the racist chap [allegedly] at Leeds :) Anyone else???
Think he should have done better on both occasions, on the 1st goal the Blues striker is inside the 6 yard area when he heads the ball but the issue for me is that the cross is a looped one and is in the air for approximately 4 seconds which is ample time for a goalkeeper to come and deal with.
Regarding the second goal he's at most 2 yards from his near post but gets beaten by a 15 yard header, the least said about his attempted dive the better.
I can move 6 yards in 4 seconds at 55 years of age with dodgy knees and a bad back so what excuse does a 26 year old athlete offer.😁

Equally Austin's winning goal is poor from a goalkeepers point, that's also a looped cross that's in the air quite a while, maybe it's the modern era of goalkeeping where the dont like coming of their line.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 17, 2019, 07:53:20 PM
I often think that we are too hard on Sam at times. We need to remember that we had Ben beforehand and he was in a different class. I get frustrated when the opposition score a worldie and some post comments about the fact he did not save it. Some even tell us what he is doing wrong and how he needs to improve. Perhaps they should pop along to the training ground and impart their wisdom :)

Having said that, the 2nd goal on Saturday was as soft as they come and I personally think that he could have got that. We need to look deeper as Dean should never have been allowed the header but Townsend did nothing to help the situation. I am not sure he could have done too much about the bullet header from Juke though...….

Overall I like him though, and I think he has improved this season. However I know that there is better out there. Struggling to think of too many keepers in the Championship who are better though. The only one I can think of is the racist chap [allegedly] at Leeds :) Anyone else???
So we had a good keeper and shouldn’t compare, and if we do we should go down the training ground and train him ourselves because we are too hard on him..but you think it was his fault for the second..
Assume you are going down the training ground?😊
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on December 21, 2019, 10:49:08 PM
Good solid game today...... very quiet on his thread tonight, thank Christ.
It was getting tiresome.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on December 22, 2019, 12:09:25 AM
Good solid game today...... very quiet on his thread tonight, thank Christ.
It was getting tiresome.
He made one decent save. Still not good enough.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: johnnyg on December 22, 2019, 04:04:40 AM
He made one decent save. Still not good enough.

Slaven seems to believe he is good enough and that is good enough for me ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on December 22, 2019, 11:23:52 AM
Slaven seems to believe he is good enough and that is good enough for me ;D

He could have taken a lesson from their keeper, he came out as far as the penalty spot to collect crosses yesterday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on December 26, 2019, 05:52:59 PM
Excellent today and MOM. Kept us in it in the first half.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on December 26, 2019, 05:59:17 PM
Excellent today
Top marks
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on December 26, 2019, 06:05:28 PM
Have been and still to some extent still am very critical of SJ. However credit where it is due, he made some excellent saves today, so well done and thanks. Still wish he would find the confidence and ability to dominate in his area though. He could single -handedly improve our defence by 50%
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on December 26, 2019, 06:17:47 PM
Have been and still to some extent still am very critical of SJ. However credit where it is due, he made some excellent saves today, so well done and thanks. Still wish he would find the confidence and ability to dominate in his area though. He could single -handedly improve our defence by 50%
should have bolloked his defence after equaliser no one in six yard box to close down cross or mark goal scorer. Made some great save today which deserved 3 points let down by players in front of him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 26, 2019, 06:38:39 PM
Brilliant save first half low to his left, the rest I thought were good saves that we'd have been very upset if he had conceded. Also the time wasting (though under instruction) is extremely unwelcome against 3rd bottom.


We got right behind him today and he looked pleased with the plaudits.


Equaliser was scored at opposite end to us fans so will have to see it on TV but I do note it came from inside the 6 yard box again.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wbamitch on December 26, 2019, 08:45:34 PM
Brilliant save first half low to his left, the rest I thought were good saves that we'd have been very upset if he had conceded. Also the time wasting (though under instruction) is extremely unwelcome against 3rd bottom.


We got right behind him today and he looked pleased with the plaudits.


Equaliser was scored at opposite end to us fans so will have to see it on TV but I do note it came from inside the 6 yard box again.

Yeah that's about right, decent saves with a couple of very good ones in there. Sometimes he gets himself in trouble with a few parries but has made himself big today and I believe it was against Preston the other that springs to mind. He kept them out which is the main thing particularly today when Barnsley had an abundance of chances. Pleased to see a bit more of a positive rapport with the fans too.

I still criticise him fairly often but one of few head with head held high, well done. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ronnie_allen on December 27, 2019, 12:30:32 AM

Equaliser was scored at opposite end to us fans so will have to see it on TV but I do note it came from inside the 6 yard box again.

I note you not being critical. Yes goal was inside 6 yard box but was from a low cross by player deep inside penalty-box to a player at front post who had a free shot. Nothing to do with a keeper not dominating his six yard box. Had to be defended by the men in front a lot better.

As said many good saves that would be expected. Apart from one early one that led to a follow up save, I was most impressed with how he not necessarily managed to save the shots but put them behind for a corner or out of dangers way. One at end of first half at near post was probably the stand-out.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 27, 2019, 06:23:17 AM
Equaliser was scored at opposite end to us fans so will have to see it on TV but I do note it came from inside the 6 yard box again.
Here you go mate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfgMKDHOmX4
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on December 27, 2019, 07:25:44 AM
Brilliant save first half low to his left, the rest I thought were good saves that we'd have been very upset if he had conceded. Also the time wasting (though under instruction) is extremely unwelcome against 3rd bottom.


We got right behind him today and he looked pleased with the plaudits.


Equaliser was scored at opposite end to us fans so will have to see it on TV but I do note it came from inside the 6 yard box again.

I think our defenders need to have a look at how that goal came about. SJ was pretty helpless with that one.

He was excellent yesterday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie38 on December 27, 2019, 08:11:18 AM
It was actually Hegazi who left his man and wondered off to allow them to score in the six yard box SJ didn't step a foot wrong yesterday easily MOTM
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Webby on December 29, 2019, 03:46:05 PM
He is PETRIFIED to come for crosses or corners. It's embarrassing
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on December 29, 2019, 04:00:07 PM
He is PETRIFIED to come for crosses or corners. It's embarrassing
You could see the Ayala goal coming , he was unmarked then pushed himself into a free area and Ajayi can't react in time . Stinks of Zonal marking , I'd have to see it again before I blame SJ for that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2019, 04:58:47 PM
Just been beat from 30 yards.  AGAIN.


New keeper in January.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on December 29, 2019, 05:00:51 PM
Just been beat from 30 yards.  AGAIN.


New keeper in January.
I'm no fan but he kept us in that , have a look at Hegazi backing off first for that goal .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on December 29, 2019, 05:07:04 PM
We seem to concede from headers far too often, I can hardly bear to watch when corners come in, if they get it right they score.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2019, 05:45:33 PM
He is PETRIFIED to come for crosses or corners. It's embarrassing

To be fair he came for the corner. I wish he bloody didn’t though and understand why he doesn’t!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on December 29, 2019, 05:50:35 PM
Just not good enough overall. Never been so made so anxious by a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 29, 2019, 06:07:29 PM
You could see the Ayala goal coming , he was unmarked then pushed himself into a free area and Ajayi can't react in time . Stinks of Zonal marking , I'd have to see it again before I blame SJ for that.

Blaming SJ for that goal is a joke, if he had stayed on his line he would have been beaten, blame the defenders who lost their man.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on December 29, 2019, 06:14:32 PM
Blaming SJ for that goal is a joke, if he had stayed on his line he would have been beaten, blame the defenders who lost their man.
Or again what looks like Zonal , how many times did we leave players unmarked on the edge of the area?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on December 29, 2019, 06:21:35 PM
Slavan is a proponent of zonal marking, as it allows a more offensive approach. Me, I’m safety first and prefer man to man, but I’m a retired gasman. Who knows better?

If you say me, I’m applying for the job when it next becomes vacant and, if I am appointed, will ensure all westbrom.com members and mods are given free season tickets for life and beyond.  ;D

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 29, 2019, 06:23:25 PM
No complaints with the second goal, one of those flukes. I was to far away for the first goal but it looked like a free header at the front post and possibly SJ was fouled but will have to see the highlights to be sure.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2019, 06:28:14 PM
Slavan is a proponent of zonal marking, as it allows a more offensive approach. Me, I’m safety first and prefer man to man, but I’m a retired gasman. Who knows better?

If you say me, I’m applying for the job when it next becomes vacant and, if I am appointed, will ensure all westbrom.com members and mods are given free season tickets for life and beyond.  ;D
That explains a lot. From gasman to gasbag  :)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2019, 06:36:08 PM
Slavan is a proponent of zonal marking, as it allows a more offensive approach. Me, I’m safety first and prefer man to man, but I’m a retired gasman. Who knows better?

If you say me, I’m applying for the job when it next becomes vacant and, if I am appointed, will ensure all westbrom.com members and mods are given free season tickets for life and beyond.  ;D

That can’t be right and the reason for it. You’d think if it was he’d leave a player up the pitch on corners which we didn’t the whole game
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on December 29, 2019, 06:36:33 PM
That explains a lot. From gasman to gasbag  :)

Endearing and, of course, never failing to disappoint as ever, thank you my friend  ;)

Kinder, Gentler! You old / young smoothie  :D

Ps you ain’t getting the free season ticket for life and beyond if I’m appointed Head Coach  :D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on December 29, 2019, 06:56:56 PM
That can’t be right and the reason for it. You’d think if it was he’d leave a player up the pitch on corners which we didn’t the whole game

No, it leaves players in more attacking positions, you don’t need to leave one up front, he’s an additional defender, in theory
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2019, 07:42:58 AM
That result has been coming for some time as others have already said. What concerns me is the oppositions ability to just walk through us. Yet again a mediocre team turn up at the Albion and have more shots on goal than us, we had 5 and they had 10. If you look at the Barnsley game, we had 2 shots on goal, to their 8, and this pattern is repeating itself as we look further back. Even the bluenoses had double the shots on goal to us [we scored from all three mind].
Its all well and good blaming Johnstone again and again but he has got double the workload of the opposition keepers.

I was disappointed yesterday with some of the comments about SJ being beaten by the second goal. He had taken a good position to react to any balls coming into the area before an opposition player got to it. He was beaten by a fluke but well taken hopeful lob. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to what position he needed to be to cover both eventualities?
He was MOM at Barnsley and rightly so. Given the recent facts about shots on target etc we need to be looking more to our midfield/defence who allow the opposition through in the first instance instead of getting wound up about a goalkeeper who often finds himself very busy at games.

Our fancy football is certainly a joy to watch, but we need to address the above if we are fortunate enough to go up this season, because if we don't we will fare no better than the vile, and I don't want to see that.   
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2019, 11:06:34 AM
That result has been coming for some time as others have already said. What concerns me is the oppositions ability to just walk through us. Yet again a mediocre team turn up at the Albion and have more shots on goal than us, we had 5 and they had 10. If you look at the Barnsley game, we had 2 shots on goal, to their 8, and this pattern is repeating itself as we look further back. Even the bluenoses had double the shots on goal to us [we scored from all three mind].
Its all well and good blaming Johnstone again and again but he has got double the workload of the opposition keepers.

I was disappointed yesterday with some of the comments about SJ being beaten by the second goal. He had taken a good position to react to any balls coming into the area before an opposition player got to it. He was beaten by a fluke but well taken hopeful lob. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to what position he needed to be to cover both eventualities?
He was MOM at Barnsley and rightly so. Given the recent facts about shots on target etc we need to be looking more to our midfield/defence who allow the opposition through in the first instance instead of getting wound up about a goalkeeper who often finds himself very busy at games.

Our fancy football is certainly a joy to watch, but we need to address the above if we are fortunate enough to go up this season, because if we don't we will fare no better than the vile, and I don't want to see that.   
If I employed a chauffeur I’d expect him to be able to drive
If I have a goalkeeper, I expect him to command his area, he’s not a kid and the defenders have no faith in him, he has had some good games, he’s made some very good saves, but I believe the nerves have festered in our defenders every time we concede a corner or free kick to the point where we look like we will let a goal in every time
He’s just not good enough for where we are/want to be
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2019, 11:19:29 AM
If I employed a chauffeur I’d expect him to be able to drive
If I have a goalkeeper, I expect him to command his area, he’s not a kid and the defenders have no faith in him, he has had some good games, he’s made some very good saves, but I believe the nerves have festered in our defenders every time we concede a corner or free kick to the point where we look like we will let a goal in every time
He’s just not good enough for where we are/want to be

and would you expect your chauffeur not to get involved in any accidents? even though they may not be his fault?

Are you telling me that Sam has double the workload because his defenders have no faith in him? The shots on target stats are there for all to see; he has no control over those, but the defenders/midfielders in front of him do.   
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2019, 11:48:54 AM
and would you expect your chauffeur not to get involved in any accidents? even though they may not be his fault?

Are you telling me that Sam has double the workload because his defenders have no faith in him? The shots on target stats are there for all to see; he has no control over those, but the defenders/midfielders in front of him do.
I’d be realistic about the accidents, but if they started to become multiple and disproportionate I’d have to seriously consider a replacements
I’m not telling you he has double workload, I am telling you we look nervous at set pieces and he does not command his area ....even his most loyally supporters should see he doesn’t come off his line ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on December 30, 2019, 12:07:57 PM
was disappointed yesterday with some of the comments about SJ being beaten by the second goal. He had taken a good position to react to any balls coming into the area before an opposition player got to it. He was beaten by a fluke but well taken hopeful lob. Perhaps someone can enlighten me as to what position he needed to be to cover both eventualities?
He was MOM at Barnsley and rightly so. Given the recent facts about shots on target etc we need to be looking more to our midfield/defence who allow the opposition through in the first instance instead of getting wound up about a goalkeeper who often finds himself very busy at games.

There was no other danger when that ball dropped to the Boro player.  There was no-one forward to worry about, no ball into the box would be a danger.  As soon as that dropped you just knew he was going to be hitting a dipping shot.  Watch SJ's feet be is rooted to the spot, they don't move so he never gets back by the yard or two he needs. 

It was a superb goal, certainly no fluke,  but you've got to ask why the keeper hasn't even got close to saving that and once again it is his lack of mobility. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 30, 2019, 01:07:11 PM
He only came off his line twice all game - one nearly ends in an open goal, the other sees him beaten from 35 yards. Fair play it was a good goal, but there was a certain level of irony there.

If we go up, a better keeper is a must.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Webby on December 30, 2019, 01:23:57 PM
When he has a good game it's because what he is called upon to do is the bread and butter for a keeper - shot stopping.

Being a keeper is so much more than that though, anyone even at sunday league level can be thrown in goal and have a good game if they have to save shots.

A keeper needs to command his box, 6 yard area from corners (ANYTHING in there is keepers), inspire his defence with constant communication and unfortunately I don't see or hear any of this.

Sam is probably a lovely lad but if you consider maybe best keepers in world are 10/10. I'd say Foster when we had him was probably a 7/10 in terms of world ability, Sam is about a 4-5 which is not good enough for a team that wants to be Prem.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: kie the baggie on December 30, 2019, 01:41:58 PM
Their second goal was not a lob, it was a powerful dipping strike where no keeper would have saved, nothing wrong with his positioning as we had possession and lost it cheaply 1 second later bang, 1st goal awful defending, if he comes or goes it doesn't matter its a goal.
There were instances in 2nd half where krovinovic was marking flint on a corner WTF?? Stop making Johnstone a scapegoat, he kept us in it yesterday, and we would of lost last 5 if it wasn't for him.
Someone said it's his bread and butter shotstopping
It's also a strikers bread and butter to put the ball in the net,
It's a midfielders bread and butter to be able to mark jockey and pass the ball to a team mate, that also didn't happen much yesterday, or even a winger to be able to cross a ball with overhitting or kicking out of play??
Here's a stat for you

Most saves this season:

Bartosz Bialkowski - 85
Sam Johnstone - 83
Dillon Phillips - 80
Daniel Bentley - 76
Rafael Cabral - 69
Freddy Woodman - 68
Brice Samba - 68
Christian Walton - 63
George Long - 61
Declan Rudd - 56
Kamil Grabara - 54
Any way roll on Wednesday let's beat the dirty B8st4rds!!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2019, 01:58:15 PM
Their second goal was not a lob, it was a powerful dipping strike where no keeper would have saved, nothing wrong with his positioning as we had possession and lost it cheaply 1 second later bang, 1st goal awful defending, if he comes or goes it doesn't matter its a goal.
There were instances in 2nd half where krovinovic was marking flint on a corner WTF?? Stop making Johnstone a scapegoat, he kept us in it yesterday, and we would of lost last 5 if it wasn't for him.
Someone said it's his bread and butter shotstopping
It's also a strikers bread and butter to put the ball in the net,
It's a midfielders bread and butter to be able to mark jockey and pass the ball to a team mate, that also didn't happen much yesterday, or even a winger to be able to cross a ball with overhitting or kicking out of play??
Here's a stat for you

Most saves this season:

Bartosz Bialkowski - 85
Sam Johnstone - 83
Dillon Phillips - 80
Daniel Bentley - 76
Rafael Cabral - 69
Freddy Woodman - 68
Brice Samba - 68
Christian Walton - 63
George Long - 61
Declan Rudd - 56
Kamil Grabara - 54
Any way roll on Wednesday let's beat the dirty B8st4rds!!
I’m not sure what a table of saves shows, unless it’s got the context of vs shots on target ?
Do you think he commands his area?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Baggie79 on December 30, 2019, 02:05:37 PM
I think the home crowd affect him, away from home generally are where his best performances come. To be fair he aint a bad keeper but we have just been spoilt with Foster for several years.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: kie the baggie on December 30, 2019, 02:19:31 PM
I’m not sure what a table of saves shows, unless it’s got the context of vs shots on target ?
Do you think he commands his area?
I don't think he does command his area very well, but I haven't seen a keeper in the championship this year that does, the days of keepers claiming crosses in packed areas are long gone, more focus is on shot stopping, how they are on the ball and can they start attacks, in my opinion he is one of the top 3 in the league. We can all see this is what is drilled in to him from the coaching.
The keeper from boro yesterday did catch a lot in his box, but again he was unchallenged and crosses were put in could have been of better quality of my pet dog
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 30, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
He only came off his line twice all game - one nearly ends in an open goal, the other sees him beaten from 35 yards.
Three times - he was out there flapping around on the 6 yard box when they scored their first
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2019, 02:25:15 PM
I’m not sure what a table of saves shows, unless it’s got the context of vs shots on target ?
Do you think he commands his area?

It shows that he has been pretty busy and there is a reason for that, and its not down to him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on December 30, 2019, 03:23:44 PM
Their first was a good delivery to a good header of the ball. Sometimes with good defence you prevent the attacker getting it right, sometimes you don’t. Second goal was a world class strike one of those tried when there is nothing much else on and comes off once in a thousand times. I am a big critic of SJ but not too much he could have done at the time about either of these. However I am certain that a steadier goalkeeper who can control his area and organise his defence would be a better option even if not quite as good at the desperate stuff. With more control and better organisation from the back a lot of the “shot stopping” might not be so essential
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: colinmax on December 30, 2019, 04:45:19 PM
He has a lot of admirers and a lot of critics.Basically he is a good shot stopper can clear his lines with accurate throws and kicks and seems to be quite brave.His weakness is not dealing with crosses into the
six yard box.
Surely this issue should be addressed by the goalkeeping coach and if it isn't do we need one?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: colinmax on December 30, 2019, 08:45:27 PM
He might be considered blameless for Boro's first goal.Having watched the highlights the camera behind
the goal clearly shows he was fouled as Boro's no.22 Saville tugged the back of his shirt which would obviously make jumping difficult.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2020, 08:47:28 PM
No home clean sheet since March last year.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 01, 2020, 08:52:19 PM
No home clean sheet since March last year.
He was terrible today, then sloped straight off at FT without acknowledging the fans
We desperately need a replacement and some clean sheets
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 01, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
Just not good enough.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggies_24 on January 01, 2020, 09:14:28 PM
The bigger the game the more he panics, massively got away with the one where he tried to play football he was turning into trouble and was fortunate it went out for a goal kick. You can tell the defence in front of him don’t have full confidence in him. Very frustrating as he has the tools to be a decent keeper his decision making really let’s him down, you feel there’s at least 2 or 3 times in a match where he makes the wrong choice.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on January 01, 2020, 09:51:41 PM
The bigger the game the more he panics, massively got away with the one where he tried to play football he was turning into trouble and was fortunate it went out for a goal kick. You can tell the defence in front of him don’t have full confidence in him. Very frustrating as he has the tools to be a decent keeper his decision making really let’s him down, you feel there’s at least 2 or 3 times in a match where he makes the wrong choice.

What, arms and legs?! They've all got them. He's not good enough, simple as that. I panicked constantly watching the game tonight. Kicking was horrendous, decision making poor, doesn't command his box and has been beaten from distance so many times. I'd put up with him until the end of the season but if we go up a GK is a number 1 priority.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 01, 2020, 09:56:32 PM
What, arms and legs?! They've all got them. He's not good enough, simple as that. I panicked constantly watching the game tonight. Kicking was horrendous, decision making poor, doesn't command his box and has been beaten from distance so many times. I'd put up with him until the end of the season but if we go up a GK is a number 1 priority.
I’d actually say he needs to come out now....for him, for the defence and before the fans really turn.
I’m assuming he went off without clapping because he knew he had a bad match..
I don’t hate the guy, and I’ve said recently some point saving matches, but the errors and the failure of the basics cannot continue
Jacko’s stat on clean sheets is stunning.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2020, 09:59:32 PM
He was terrible today, then sloped straight off at FT without acknowledging the fans
We desperately need a replacement and some clean sheets

Yeah I noticed that. Bilic looked like he was giving him an earful after one of his many wayward goal kicks too. Didn't seem in a good mood at all for the second half. Not the first time I've seen other members of the team getting annoyed with him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggies_24 on January 01, 2020, 10:08:37 PM
What, arms and legs?! They've all got them. He's not good enough, simple as that. I panicked constantly watching the game tonight. Kicking was horrendous, decision making poor, doesn't command his box and has been beaten from distance so many times. I'd put up with him until the end of the season but if we go up a GK is a number 1 priority.

Absolutely he’l do until the end of the season if we go up he’l get found out in the premier league, he’s not really good enough for top half championship let alone the premier league. The comment about him having the tools to be a good keeper is correct his shot stopping ability is actually very good but like someone else said that’s only half of what a goalkeeper is suppose to do and unfortunately he’s a liability when it comes to the other side. 

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Manc Baggie on January 03, 2020, 11:51:07 PM
Here’s a way to think about SJ.

Imagine If SJ was playing for another championship side instead of us.

However, with the benefit of our knowledge of his strengths & weaknesses, how many of us would be happy to sign him now for the same fee we actually paid for him?

I am, sorry to say, not convinced about SJ & would not want to sign him, but what do others think? Would you sign him or not?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: dan7heman on January 04, 2020, 09:52:13 PM
Benefits outweigh the negatives right now. Age is a big plus, he ain't perfect but he's ours.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2020, 10:56:21 PM
Benefits outweigh the negatives right now. Age is a big plus, he ain't perfect but he's ours.


What benefits?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on January 04, 2020, 11:12:58 PM

What benefits?

He's a good keeper but he's still at the same level as when he came to us there hasn't been any progress in his development. That's a big issue for him & is coach
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 05, 2020, 09:43:55 AM
Benefits outweigh the negatives right now. Age is a big plus, he ain't perfect but he's ours.

Still the best keeper in this country outside of the premier league for me at the moment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hardtobeat on January 05, 2020, 09:54:58 AM
Teams he has played for have twice made the play offs and now sit in automatic promotion place, that suggests he is plenty good enough for this standard. IMO to get a consistent upgrade would prove very difficult without wasting a loan place
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 05, 2020, 11:08:49 AM
Still the best keeper in this country outside of the premier league for me at the moment.
Good enough at the moment .I certainly wouldn't be going out to buy another keeper at this stage. I have seen Bond a few times and I don't think he is as good, and I question whether some of those who would prefer Bond, have actually seen him play.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 05, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
Still the best keeper in this country outside of the premier league for me at the moment.


He's not the best keeper at the club and I've seen double figures better than him play against us this season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 05, 2020, 12:20:24 PM
Wow
“Best outside the prem” & “got two teams in to the play offs”

Not the keeper I have been watching
Have a look on YouTube at the Bristol city game last season at Ashton gate ...that’s just one game
He never comes of his line , he gets beat from 25yds too often, the defence don’t trust him.
Serious question, the people that keep blindly defending him...do you think it will make him a better keeper ?...do you not care that we get promotion?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 05, 2020, 12:25:48 PM
Not the best keeper outside the PL. No way.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on January 05, 2020, 12:28:43 PM
He’s not the best outside the premier league, no way. He is however the best one currently with our club. That is a definite. Let’s wait until the summer, then act.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 05, 2020, 06:25:34 PM
He's Scott Carson for the 2020's.

Think back to when he was in goal - we even had a member say they hoped he came back with another team and kept a clean sheet, just to spite those of us who didn't think he was very good.

We can all see when we have a good keeper (Foster, Hoult) and all see when we have a bad one (too many to mention), but Johnstone occupies the inbetween - good enough for where we are, but not good enough for where we want to be.

If we want to move the team forward, we'll have to get rid. However I think the amount of money we paid for him will see us persevere until, like with Carson, he becomes a proven liability.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie38 on January 06, 2020, 09:18:03 AM
If we get promoted I'd see if Vorm fancied leaving Tottenhams bench for first team football or a more far fetched one I'd see what Adrian is on at Liverpool then see if it's match able and give him first team football. Johnstone has improved on last season but he still isn't great. He is one of the few players in this side who if they were to leave tomorrow I wouldn't be gutted about
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: phbaggies on January 06, 2020, 09:30:25 AM
I would say Johnstone's saves this season have won us more points than his errors have cost us, he has improved massively on last season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tommcneill on January 06, 2020, 09:31:36 AM
Im completely unconvinced by Johnstone...ive seen him have some absolute belting games and then get beat by the easiest of shots.

Ive never been happy with a keeper who isnt a commanding presence in the box.

He has won or saved us a few points though this season but I think there is better out there, some of these championship keepers look good if im honest
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: phbaggies on January 06, 2020, 10:06:45 AM
Im completely unconvinced by Johnstone...ive seen him have some absolute belting games and then get beat by the easiest of shots.

Ive never been happy with a keeper who isnt a commanding presence in the box.

He has won or saved us a few points though this season but I think there is better out there, some of these championship keepers look good if im honest
There is always better out there........

There is better than Austin, Kanu but its who we have and they are doing a job

There is better than Matt Phillips, better than Townsend, better than Bartley, the list could go on.

For me SJ is more than playing his part, he has the second best save rate in the league so as part of the team that is joint top he is more than playing his part, all keepers make errors and SJ makes a lot but he also makes up for it with some unbelievable match winning saves.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 06, 2020, 11:16:25 AM
I think at times you have to look at where you are, we're a club at the top end of the Champ which is where Johnstone spent the 3 seasons.

In his time at the villa he kept more clean sheets than any other keeper, yes he had John Terry in front of him for a spell but it can't all be down to Terry can it? At times the keeper gets the blame when those in front of him are at fault.

He is what he is, a top end Championship keeper, he ain't going nowhere and he ain't as bad as he is made out to be at times.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 06, 2020, 11:23:56 AM
Johnstone nominated for PFA player of the month, he made 31 saves in December.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/january/johnstone-up-for-december-award/
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on January 06, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
Johnstone nominated for PFA player of the month, he made 31 saves in December.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/january/johnstone-up-for-december-award/

Blimey  :o
I'm staggered
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on January 06, 2020, 11:56:49 AM
Blimey  :o
I'm staggered

I'm not.

The question you have to ask is why is he so busy to warrant this nomination.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: phbaggies on January 06, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
I'm not.

The question you have to ask is why is he so busy to warrant this nomination.
Because we play attacking football which leaves us exposed more at the back??????
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on January 06, 2020, 01:03:47 PM
I'm not.

The question you have to ask is why is he so busy to warrant this nomination.

Not sure which question should come first but having finally read more closely through some in game and post match threads here goes.

Because Sawyers doesn't close down quickly enough? Because Livermore doesn't cover Sawyers sufficiently whilst covering his own spaces over the course of 90+ minutes? Because our centre halves, both individually and collectively, switch off and drift? Because our full backs push on and get caught? Because the full backs currently covering the oft injured Gibbs are relatively inexperienced at this level? Because we don't put games to bed when we're on top and by default give the opposition hope?

And/or......... because opposing teams see Sam Johnstone as weak on shots from distance and fancy their chances? Because of rebounds when failing to deal with initial shots meaning he has to save them all over again thus bloating the overall shot count? Because he punches the ball to dangerous areas on the edge of the box from crosses when he could be catching them thus inviting further pressure?

I'm no goalkeeping coach and have done my best to steer clear of openly criticising our custodian (regular readers will notice that I've left Bartley out of things too.....), but I'd wager all of the above allied to us having an open style will probably have something to do with why he has been kept so busy. If I've missed potential questions please refer to any in game/post match thread for further expert opinion on this topic. I feel sure Charlie Austin, HRK and perhaps Zohore and/or Edwards may feature somewhere along the way.

Beware though as having finally consulted the oracles I'm truly stunned to find we're actually second to 'We Would've Taken More' on goal difference  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 06, 2020, 06:20:15 PM
Johnstone nominated for PFA player of the month, he made 31 saves in December.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2020/january/johnstone-up-for-december-award/

Is Myhill still with us as goalkeeping coach, he seems to be doing a great job since his return? Sam has played a big part in the team scrapping a point from games we deserved nothing over Christmas.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 06, 2020, 06:25:57 PM
Is Myhill still with us as goalkeeping coach, he seems to be doing a great job since his return? Sam has played a big part in the team scrapping a point from games we deserved nothing over Christmas.
Myhill is an academy coach... sorry a “phase development coach”. Don’t believe he is with the first team unless he’s helping out Gary Walsh.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Barrington on January 11, 2020, 05:13:41 PM
OK. It's past a joke now.

I commend the club and management for trying to stick with Johnstone to try to not crush his confidence completely but the 3rd place team is getting closer now and we can't afford passengers any more.

For me personally he shouldn't have even been our 1st choice at the very start of the season (which I did post on here at the time). It should be obvious to everyone that he's just not good enough. A pass out to one of the opposition players today which could easily have led to us conceding a goal and then a poor attempt at saving the header for Charlton's equalizer. That's just 2 from today.

Believe me, it gives me no pleasure to single out a player for serious criticism, but are we going to wait until automatic promotion is impossible before we address this situation?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on January 11, 2020, 05:16:21 PM
He'sbloody awful and i think anybody that can't see it really needs their head checked! So slow to dive. We'd have done better giving Myhill another year and i thought that would be a terrible idea  :-\
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 11, 2020, 05:18:07 PM
One of the worst keepers i've seen in my time. Cannot catch a ball, not a goalkeeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on January 11, 2020, 05:27:15 PM
I think he needs to be taken out of the firing line now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 11, 2020, 05:29:03 PM
He'sbloody awful and i think anybody that can't see it really needs their head checked! So slow to dive. We'd have done better giving Myhill another year and i thought that would be a terrible idea  :-\

Did you miss the unmarked player heading right in the corner? The keeper did well to get a hand to it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on January 11, 2020, 05:40:26 PM
I have said for a while now SJ is inconsistent, he is behind Count Dracula when it comes to crosses, his positioning is suspect as is his handling, and his command of the box is simply missing altogether. Sometimes his distribution is ok but sometimes it’s  appalling. Now is time for a change. We will never know if if anyone else on the books could do a job if we don’t give them an opportunity to stake their claim. Failing that we need a new one. We just need the keeper to be competent and consistent and able to organise his defenders and to have a presence in the box. He doesn’t need to be brilliant just competent and consistent.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on January 11, 2020, 05:46:09 PM
If as we all believe, he’s not good enough, then we need to sign a keeper now. I am convinced that Bond is not the answer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on January 11, 2020, 05:50:50 PM
Did you miss the unmarked player heading right in the corner? The keeper did well to get a hand to it.

Thought I was on my own with that observation. Pleased someone else asked that question...….
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBArgo on January 11, 2020, 05:57:56 PM
I like him but I think you have to start Bond at this point.
Johnstone is a good keeper for most of the time, but to be a regular you have to be good all of the time, especially with crosses/collecting the ball etc. Which he simply lacks. It's fundamental stuff and for all the good saves he pulls off he lacks the basics at times.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Barrington on January 11, 2020, 05:58:51 PM
The defending is also below par due to average Championship centre-halves and a zonal marking system which is not effective. However, that does not exonerate the goalkeeper from responsibility if we concede goals. If we're aiming for automatic promotion we need a goalkeeper who can make decent saves consistently when required. It's just not happening. I'm sure people aren't expecting miracle saves every game, just saves that your average goalkeeper would reach to and save.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: kendover on January 11, 2020, 05:59:11 PM
SJ is a great goalkeeper when comes to reflex saves. As far as position, commanding of the box, organising defence, catching, decision making and general distribution he is very poor. The game is more than reflex saves I'm afraid. Never rated him, all he does is make the defence extremely nervous.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Mo on January 11, 2020, 06:07:23 PM
Blame Johnstone all you like but this zonal marking is rubbish . Stop trying to be technical and reinvent the wheel go back to basics give a player a man to mark and full backs on the posts .Then you can have more responsibility and accountability .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 11, 2020, 06:08:57 PM
Thought he has been a bit unlucky to be fair the way people were talking saying it was a regulation save if he had kept that out it would have been a bit of a worldie.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on January 11, 2020, 06:17:54 PM
Is zonal marking this seasons version of playing out from the back last season?

I think/ hope that Slav has seen enough to know that he has to change now
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on January 11, 2020, 06:46:53 PM
Blame Johnstone all you like but this zonal marking is rubbish . Stop trying to be technical and reinvent the wheel go back to basics give a player a man to mark and full backs on the posts .Then you can have more responsibility and accountability .
Agree with that , essentially giving the opposition the upper hand. Not sure any keeper can be blamed for free headers like Today.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 11, 2020, 07:06:49 PM
Is zonal marking this seasons version of playing out from the back last season?

I think/ hope that Slav has seen enough to know that he has to change now

I think you might be right. Also our back four are not the biggest in the game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Webby on January 11, 2020, 07:30:09 PM
I've just seen their 2nd goal. I have played in goal and coach our teams keepers. I know not to that level.

I'd be extremely disappointed if that beat me or our keeper. It is his side of the goal, he's 12 yards out. SJ for me is either scared to hit the post or doesn't know where his goal is
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on January 11, 2020, 07:49:00 PM
Thing is, bad defending and bad goalkeeping aren't mutually exclusive. I agree the defending poor too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 11, 2020, 07:58:55 PM
He needs hooking. Even if we left him in and if we manage to get promoted first thing we need is a decent keeper
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NathWBA on January 11, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
Whilst Johnstone could have done better, serious questions about the defending should be asked in the first place, he should never have been allowed to win the header
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on January 11, 2020, 09:25:26 PM
Whilst Johnstone could have done better, serious questions about the defending should be asked in the first place, he should never have been allowed to win the header

It was a stupid free quick to give away from Semi to start off with, he went right through the back of their player, he was never going to win it, even worse when you consider he was already booked. We never set up properly to defend it, allowed the cross to come in unchallenged and the player headed it unchallenged with a very mediocre attempt from Johnstone to save the header, I wouldn't call it a howler but it wasn't the best.

Both the goals we conceded were abysmal defensively with Semi Ajayi being largely culpable.

When you consider where we are in the league this season or even last season, our record for clean sheets is shameful, especially at home. If I was a keeper I'd be embarrassed to have his clean sheet record and he has presided over that unfortunately for him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 11, 2020, 10:10:18 PM
Really not convinced he should be our number one...

Happy when we signed him - 20 odd clean sheets with the Claret and Poo - but that depends how the ten others in front of him can defend as a team...

Time to give Bond a decent run between the sticks...been impressed (and more confident of a shut out) when he has featured for us...

Bond, Jonathan Bond, licensed to save... 8)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wbamitch on January 11, 2020, 10:58:11 PM
Crosses are the biggest problem, of course for the defenders as well but he is so slow at diving and seems to get beaten too many times by just decent efforts. Been fairly busy lately which has seen some good saves but on the whole it’s a big concern area.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 11, 2020, 11:06:54 PM
You know when you watch other keepers come for a cross, keep their feet up and the forwards are scared to go near them....that’s what we need
This keeper is useless
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 11, 2020, 11:07:16 PM
3 words..
Got to be dropped.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 11, 2020, 11:10:37 PM
3 words..
Got to be dropped.
That’s definitely 4
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie38 on January 11, 2020, 11:12:30 PM
That’s definitely 4

I was waiting for someone to pull him up on it  :P
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dan87uk on January 12, 2020, 12:15:32 AM
It's time for Johnstone to be pulled out of the team. It seems we've tried to persist with him in the hope that starting consistency breeds performance consistency and it's frankly just not happening.

He can do a close range reaction stop? ok cool, i'd expect every keeper at this level to be able to do that, but he's poor at judging anything from mid to long range; has no command of his 6 yard box; can't pass the ball; has no sense of positioning and lastly; he does not instill any confidence for his defenders or indeed the fans either which creates a nervy undertone for our backline at all times.

Whether it be Bond, Al Habsi or buying a new keeper, something needs to change otherwise we won't be going up with this disaster waiting to happen continuing between the sticks because he will cost us too many points.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Baggie79 on January 12, 2020, 12:36:56 AM
Every time I have seen Bond he has been very good, surely he deserves a couple of games?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie38 on January 12, 2020, 01:20:50 AM
Had ten games of being half decent. Gone back to being sh*t now. You can see that he doesn't install any confidence in the defenders in front of him. I can't wait to see him leave to be perfectly honest. Yes we were spoilt with Foster but SJ isn't even fit enough to lace BF boots (he would probably drop them)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 12, 2020, 08:51:07 AM
That’s definitely 4
OK...
Gorra be dropped.  8)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie38 on January 12, 2020, 08:53:57 AM
Out of curiosity seen as though the majority of us aren't fans of SJ where should he be? Are we the right level of club for him? Do you think he is a player that should be bottom half of the division or dare I say lower?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on January 12, 2020, 10:32:04 AM
Not all Sam's fault defending has been abysmal all season with five foot nothings beating six foot plus defender's to win clean headers. Keeper has his problems but so too has Bilic with his zonal marking and no men  on posts.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on January 12, 2020, 12:09:48 PM
Not all Sam's fault defending has been abysmal all season with five foot nothings beating six foot plus defender's to win clean headers. Keeper has his problems but so too has Bilic with his zonal marking and no men  on posts.
Well put , defend like we do and Bond will be the same
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 12, 2020, 12:53:45 PM
Not all Sam's fault defending has been abysmal all season with five foot nothings beating six foot plus defender's to win clean headers. Keeper has his problems but so too has Bilic with his zonal marking and no men  on posts.
Spot on mate, zonal marking is killing us.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on January 12, 2020, 01:05:49 PM
Johnstone should've stopped the second goal yesterday zonal marking or not, it was like the one we conceded at Blues.

The first goal was nothing to do with zonal marking our two centre halves totally to blame Ajayi losing the ball in the first place then losing the header from the cross then Bartley leaves Davison unmarked to head home. Two 6 foot 5 centre halves and we concede a goal like that. Shocking.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 12, 2020, 03:31:59 PM
Yesterday's goal was just a result of his being weak. Good. Place for him save it, right by him. A stro g hand sends it away from post. Nothing to do with Zonal Marking which I also hate.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on January 12, 2020, 08:04:34 PM
SJ's problem is following Foster, who is easily the best keeper I've seen at the club.  Foster was a shot stopper also, but he had a natural authority in the box, organised defenders and the defence were comfortable with him.
In SJ's defence, he has saved us points in several games and a few penalties, but if Foster became available again, I'd jump at making him an offer to come back, and also make his West Brom supporting kids happy!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2020, 08:43:30 PM
Let’s not forget we are paying a 3rd goal keeper, if Slav doesn’t think that Bond is an adequate replacement, I would have to question why we brought in Al Habsi to not be utilised?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 12, 2020, 09:01:43 PM
SJ's problem is following Foster, who is easily the best keeper I've seen at the club.  Foster was a shot stopper also, but he had a natural authority in the box, organised defenders and the defence were comfortable with him.
In SJ's defence, he has saved us points in several games and a few penalties, but if Foster became available again, I'd jump at making him an offer to come back, and also make his West Brom supporting kids happy!
I disagree
I think baggies are generally quite forgiving folk who in the main really get behind players esp if they see effort.
HRK is a really good example , not the most popular of signings or contract extensions....but his song boomed yesterday because everyone could see he grave everything
Foster has not glued Sam to the line, he doesn’t run in front of him when the opposition shoot from 30yds and he most certainly does not stop him talking to his defenders .
He’s 26 now, he earns enough and should be self analysing .....I’d also add that the keeper coach should also be culpable .....yesterday Al Habsi (not on the bench) spent nearly all of the warm up stopping shots , Bond (who was on the bench ) hardly warmed up......it’s weird
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on January 13, 2020, 12:28:13 AM
yesterday Al Habsi (not on the bench) spent nearly all of the warm up stopping shots , Bond (who was on the bench ) hardly warmed up......it’s weird

I have seen this before at hull away and wondered wtf that was about, as you say very strange
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 13, 2020, 02:52:45 PM
OK...
Gorra be dropped.  8)

technically 'gorra' is not a word, so you're back to 2...

try again  :P
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on January 13, 2020, 02:56:42 PM
Yesterday's goal was just a result of his being weak. Good. Place for him save it, right by him. A stro g hand sends it away from post. Nothing to do with Zonal Marking which I also hate.

He's got chocolate wrists and divers boots
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 13, 2020, 03:09:32 PM
He's got chocolate wrists and divers boots

I cannot disagree with that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on January 13, 2020, 04:52:52 PM
He's got chocolate wrists and divers boots
T-Rex arms and Mr. Magoo eyes
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 13, 2020, 05:29:52 PM
yesterday Al Habsi (not on the bench) spent nearly all of the warm up stopping shots , Bond (who was on the bench ) hardly warmed up......it’s weird

I have seen this before at hull away and wondered wtf that was about, as you say very strange
Don't forget it's not all about shot stopping for the goalies it is also a shooting exercise for the rest of 'em
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 13, 2020, 07:13:54 PM
Has he got "distance" eye sight troubles, whereby he can't judge where a ball is going until almost the very end. That is why he stops shots close, but can't seem to know where and what angle the ball is coming from a distance.
His judgement needs to be looked at.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on January 15, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
I see our loanee at Plymouth, Alex Palmer, has kept 11 clean sheets so far in 29 games.
The lads 23, so a nice age to get back here.
Might be worth sending Sam to have a look at him, see how its done!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tommcneill on January 15, 2020, 02:25:24 PM
I see our loanee at Plymouth, Alex Palmer, has kept 11 clean sheets so far in 29 games.
The lads 23, so a nice age to get back here.
Might be worth sending Sam to have a look at him, see how its done!

He rents the flat he is on off one of our girls at work. Had to sort out the TV for him as he struggled to set it up  :-\

He is doing well down there though, there is a couple of Argyle STH's at our place and they think he is excellent
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on January 15, 2020, 03:20:14 PM
He rents the flat he is on off one of our girls at work. Had to sort out the TV for him as he struggled to set it up  :-\

He is doing well down there though, there is a couple of Argyle STH's at our place and they think he is excellent

His contract expires in the Summer, so we'll probably let him walk away. We never learn do we? 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBaggieMan on January 17, 2020, 06:10:23 PM
Inconsistency is his problem - some great shot stopping games but then screws it up in many others by letting in soft goals that he could have done better.  Added to this is also the inconsistency of our defence causing us to rarely keep a clean sheet.

Any goalkeeper worth his salt should be in total command of his penalty area which sadly, Sam isn’t and that does not give his defenders a lot of confidence in him.

His goalkeeping coach should have identified his shortcomings long ago and worked on this intensively.

Sack the coach and give Sam a run in the ‘stiffs’ I say.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Pelada on January 28, 2020, 09:51:58 PM
Whether I’m being harsh I don’t know but i thought the Cardiff free kick seemed to go in slow motion. Disappointing from the goalkeeper for me and reminds me so much of Joe Hart- too slow at times to get across.

Genuinely think we should have gone and got ourselves a goalkeeper this month.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 28, 2020, 09:54:10 PM
Lower level Champo keeper at best. £6m wasted.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on January 28, 2020, 09:56:07 PM
He has got to go he's driving me round the bend now. Regardless of the Cardiff game. He instils no confidence, doesn't command anything. He's shocking. If he plays on Saturday I swear I'll cry.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 28, 2020, 10:04:52 PM
He has got to go he's driving me round the bend now. Regardless of the Cardiff game. He instils no confidence, doesn't command anything. He's shocking. If he plays on Saturday I swear I'll cry.

I have stood by him and some of the criticism of him is way over the top, but, the confidence of the whole defence looks shot, we need to get back to basics and drop Johnstone now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on January 28, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
I don't know whether he should have saved the free kick but why play it short and put us under pressure?

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on January 28, 2020, 10:10:02 PM
I don't know whether he should have saved the free kick but why play it short and put us under pressure?
Yes its a good hit from.Tomlin but Johnstone has got his feet all wrong and showing him where to put it .
Enough's enough , Bond needs a go.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 28, 2020, 10:10:56 PM
I don't know whether he should have saved the free kick but why play it short and put us under pressure?

The options to play short were not there as the Cardiff players had hardly retreated. With Zohore and Austin we would have been better off going long.

Or he could have slowed the game down and just taken the sting out of their attack

The game awareness is appalling
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ranvir wba90 on January 28, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
Needs to be dropped. Positioning for the free kick was awful.  Playing out from the back does not suit us.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on January 28, 2020, 10:11:42 PM
I'm more annoyed about their first goal. Just flap a hand at it and knock it to their player. Bond has to start Saturday
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBArgo on January 28, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
I don't know whether he should have saved the free kick but why play it short and put us under pressure?

Personally I don't think it was really his fault and sometimes I feel he's a scapegoat.

Having said that, on the basis of his performances so far I'd have dropped him about 3 games ago as it seems quite clear at this point that he's error prone whilst Bond looks fairly assured in comparison.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbako on January 28, 2020, 10:12:32 PM
Yeah, I'm in the 'give Bond a chance brigade' too. Johnstone has made some incredible saved this season, but i'm afraid goalkeeping is much, much more than that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on January 28, 2020, 10:13:16 PM
This thread calling for him to be dropped is now 45 pages long and counting. It's been obvious to anyone watching him dispassionately since he signed last summer that he hasn't been good enough. He's consistently 5/10, just what you don't need when trying to achieve promotion.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: lewisant on January 28, 2020, 10:14:42 PM
Remember when Bilic joined and we were all like "thank god he's keeping it simple" time has gone on, they're playing it short and playing it stupid.

Get Bond in and ask him to keep it simple and be aware.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 28, 2020, 10:16:33 PM
I actually think signing a new keeper should be a priority
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionBest on January 28, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
Everyone seemed so much more confident on Saturday with Bond in goal; he's earned a chance surely ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 28, 2020, 10:23:33 PM
Everyone seemed so much more confident on Saturday with Bond in goal; he's earned a chance surely ?


You would think so but Bilic doesn't see it that way he seems.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on January 28, 2020, 10:30:38 PM
On the free kick, it was obvious that SJ was so far across to one side that Tomlin was going to put it in the other corner. Tomlin is one of the best free kick specialists, but SJ helped him make his mind up. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on January 28, 2020, 10:44:26 PM
Apparently he is un-droppable. I can't understand why he is in the team every game. Other players have done far less and been dropped.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 28, 2020, 10:48:28 PM
Apparently he is un-droppable. I can't understand why he is in the team every game. Other players have done far less and been dropped.
Yes like krovinovic who scored against barnsley and was dropped
Like Edwards that has been very effective ....then dropped
Furlong tonight

Comical decisions and avoidance of the obvious
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on January 28, 2020, 11:03:50 PM
Bond has two clean sheets in three games. Johnstone hasn't kept a clean sheet at home all season and I believe he has 4 total? It's not like his record was much better last season either. He needs time out and we need to give Bond a run of games.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on January 29, 2020, 07:39:24 AM
Needs a rest and needs to work on his keeping and vocal commands.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2020, 07:41:57 AM
another type of teachers pet
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 29, 2020, 07:59:28 AM
Hope we didn't tie this lad down to a long term deal.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 08:45:16 AM
Yes like krovinovic who scored against barnsley and was dropped
Like Edwards that has been very effective ....then dropped
Furlong tonight

Comical decisions and avoidance of the obvious

It's weird that we have some fans insisting that Bilic hasn't tried anything new with different players.
Then also some fans saying he keeps dropping the wrong players.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 29, 2020, 08:50:27 AM
He could almost have been leaning on his left goalpost. Go on stick in the other corner I dare you Tomlin - ok then thanks!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 08:52:51 AM
He could almost have been leaning on his left goalpost. Go on stick in the other corner I dare you Tomlin - ok then thanks!

Yeah, I know you're supposed to trust the wall but that gap was massive.  He didn't hit it that well and it didn't exactly go in the top corner.  At least he dived for it I suppose.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on January 29, 2020, 08:57:41 AM
Yeah, I know you're supposed to trust the wall but that gap was massive.  He didn't hit it that well and it didn't exactly go in the top corner.  At least he dived for it I supposed.

He waved at it as it went past him
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jim68 on January 29, 2020, 09:16:54 AM
He waved at it as it went past him
i remember the chant  few years back [grimsby town away first time i had heard it dodgy keeper now we've got one of our own  :'(
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on January 29, 2020, 09:47:26 AM
He's here till 2022  :(
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 29, 2020, 09:52:07 AM
Needs to be dropped, Bond should be given a chance or Al Habsi.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on January 29, 2020, 09:53:04 AM
Its easy to criticise SJ for his positioning for that free kick. For me he should never have been put in that position in the first place, but he was due to keystone cop football by a few of our 'defenders'.

It didn't help that they had Lee Tomlin for the kick either.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 29, 2020, 09:58:42 AM
Its easy to criticise SJ for his positioning for that free kick. For me he should never have been put in that position in the first place, but he was due to keystone cop football by a few of our 'defenders'.

It didn't help that they had Lee Tomlin for the kick either.

SJ was a contributor to how it came about, though. His pass to Bartley with an attacker nearby led to Bartley, who is awful on the ball, trying to make a pass to Phillips that he made a hash of and their bloke charged through the middle to be brought down.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on January 29, 2020, 10:20:37 AM
SJ was a contributor to how it came about, though. His pass to Bartley with an attacker nearby led to Bartley, who is awful on the ball, trying to make a pass to Phillips that he made a hash of and their bloke charged through the middle to be brought down.
Yep, he instigated it by trying to play out despite 2 or 3 Cardiff players still in and around our 18 yard box.
As for the free kick, I know very little about Lee Tomlin but there's 2 things I do.

1) He's a bit chubby
2) He's got a wand of a right foot so you cannot give him 3/4 of the goal to aim at from 18 yards out

Special mention to the buffoons in the wall who were more interested in trying to sneak 6 inches ahead of the ref's chalk line than focus on their positioning.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 10:26:02 AM
Its easy to criticise SJ for his positioning for that free kick. For me he should never have been put in that position in the first place, but he was due to keystone cop football by a few of our 'defenders'.

It didn't help that they had Lee Tomlin for the kick either.

SJ was the reason it came about though - tried to play it out with our defence underpressure.  You can tell his positioning was all wrong as he could pretty much reach out and touch his left hand post with his glove if he wanted to.  Tomlin was the only one taking that, and he was only going to be taking it right footed.  He left too much room, I'd have fancied my chances of getting it in from there.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on January 29, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
SJ was a contributor to how it came about, though. His pass to Bartley with an attacker nearby led to Bartley, who is awful on the ball, trying to make a pass to Phillips that he made a hash of and their bloke charged through the middle to be brought down.

I accept that he made the choice to release the ball and he had options, but you would think at least one of our defenders would have realised that it was not the best decision and to 'John Smith' it into row z. Instead we pretended to be Barcelona.

I will agree that SJ needs a new pair of gloves though as not much sticks to his present pair.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ronnie_allen on January 29, 2020, 10:53:33 AM
Yep, he instigated it by trying to play out despite 2 or 3 Cardiff players still in and around our 18 yard box.
As for the free kick, I know very little about Lee Tomlin but there's 2 things I do.

1) He's a bit chubby
2) He's got a wand of a right foot so you cannot give him 3/4 of the goal to aim at from 18 yards out

Special mention to the buffoons in the wall who were more interested in trying to sneak 6 inches ahead of the ref's chalk line than focus on their positioning.

Weren't they trying to make a point to the referee that Tomlin had moved the ball back from the original position and while the ref' was marking out 10 metres from where the free-kick should be taken; they were actually much further from the spot it was at. This would have given him a better chance to get the ball over the wall and under the goal.
I think the referee moved the ball back slightly but still seemed to be a bit further back from where I could remember the free being. Anyway; it did seem a bit obvious that there was only one spot Tomlin was aiming for. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: darbolina on January 29, 2020, 11:03:43 AM
SJ just needs to be taken out of the team for a while. We also need to focus on defending cross/ aerial balls into our box as we're absolutely awful at this at the moment. Simple organisational and responsibility stuff not being done properly
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: skyclad99 on January 29, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
SJ just needs to be taken out of the team for a while. We also need to focus on defending cross/ aerial balls into our box as we're absolutely awful at this at the moment. Simple organisational and responsibility stuff not being done properly

I am coming round to that thinking as well to be honest. We need to see if there is anything in this confidence of the defence with Bond that some are referring to. Its easy to say Bond had a clean sheet at West Ham as he had absolutely nothing to do. Bond needs to be exposed to the same amount of traffic that SJ is, we will see who is right then.....
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on January 29, 2020, 11:24:48 AM
I have kept my counsel on Johnstone, but for the teams good I think a change is due now. I dont think he deserves the stick he gets on here but there is clearly a confidence issue with our defence and something has to change ASAP
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on January 29, 2020, 11:29:49 AM
I have kept my counsel on Johnstone, but for the teams good I think a change is due now. I dont think he deserves the stick he gets on here but there is clearly a confidence issue with our defence and something has to change ASAP
This has been an issue since last season and he is the only constant. The back 4 has been changed numerous times to no avail.
He is the weakest link, time to say goodbye.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Cleobury_WBA on January 29, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
Needs dropping now. At fault for both goals last night; should have got a stronger hand on the ball, or caught it, for the first goal and the free-kick came about from his poor playing out from the back which saw us caught in possession. Bond deserves a chance now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 29, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
Biggest load of tosh, I have read for a while. Only mistake last night was playing it out from the back in the lead up to the second goal. Plenty of others who need the figure pointing before you get to the keeper. Bartley as RCB has never worked and Billic should now that by now!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 12:23:40 PM
His placement for the freekick was also poor.
There were several balls in the box he just watched that he should have claimed.
He should have done better for his first goal.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 29, 2020, 12:32:12 PM
His placement for the freekick was also poor.
There were several balls in the box he just watched that he should have claimed.
He should have done better for his first goal.


Carnage at every long throw just because he's unwilling to leave his line and clear a few out the way.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on January 29, 2020, 12:32:59 PM
Biggest load of tosh, I have read for a while. Only mistake last night was playing it out from the back in the lead up to the second goal. Plenty of others who need the figure pointing before you get to the keeper. Bartley as RCB has never worked and Billic should now that by now!
So you think his positioning for the free kick was ok? If so why did he get nowhere near it, it was a good free kick but no postage stamp.
Bartley's defending was awful for the first yes, but Johnstone should have done better, he got a hand to it but, yet again, was too weak and just pushed it back out. I know it was close but a good keeper would have been bigger and stronger and kept that out. IMO.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 29, 2020, 12:45:47 PM
So you think his positioning for the free kick was ok? If so why did he get nowhere near it, it was a good free kick but no postage stamp.
Bartley's defending was awful for the first yes, but Johnstone should have done better, he got a hand to it but, yet again, was too weak and just pushed it back out. I know it was close but a good keeper would have been bigger and stronger and kept that out. IMO.

Just re-watched the highlights. Two of our defenders on one Cardiff player fail to clear the initial long throw (Hegarzi completely misses the header and Bartley is ball watching!), loose ball hit straight at the keeper, Then I think both Ferguson and O Shea fail to clear the rebound ball in the six yard box and its poked home. No way is the keeper at fault here and no way is he keeping hold of that initial shot.

Free kick - keeper is quite far over, but needs to be to see the ball as the wall is set up to cover that side of the goal. Decent free kick at pace even if if was half a yard over he would not of got that as the wall would of un-sighted him.

Giving free kicks in stupid positions and 4 defenders not defending on the edge of their 6 yard box is the problem here.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: smethwickw on January 29, 2020, 12:51:31 PM
We need a big, loud keeper with a huge presence. That is key behind any defence. Take Liverpool as an example. Van Dijk gets all the credit but their defensive improvement has coincided with the signing of Alisson. If Bond or Al Habsi are not deemed good enough to contest a first team place then neither should be here.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on January 29, 2020, 01:56:11 PM
Just re-watched the highlights. Two of our defenders on one Cardiff player fail to clear the initial long throw (Hegarzi completely misses the header and Bartley is ball watching!), loose ball hit straight at the keeper, Then I think both Ferguson and O Shea fail to clear the rebound ball in the six yard box and its poked home. No way is the keeper at fault here and no way is he keeping hold of that initial shot.

Free kick - keeper is quite far over, but needs to be to see the ball as the wall is set up to cover that side of the goal. Decent free kick at pace even if if was half a yard over he would not of got that as the wall would of un-sighted him.

Giving free kicks in stupid positions and 4 defenders not defending on the edge of their 6 yard box is the problem here.
I've not defended any of the defensive errors, that you highlight, but to absolve him of any culpability is just wrong. The first goal was hit at close range yes, but did not just bounce of him, he got a hand to it but was too weak and too small, he should be making himself as big as possible and moving towards the ball with the intent of stopping it, with any part of his body, to prevent it going in the net.
As for the free kick there's no excuse, he's too far over, simple as that and if he was unsighted by the wall then he shouldn't have positioned them there.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on January 29, 2020, 01:58:28 PM
Don't know if Gary Walsh has a say in this having been with Johnstone elsewhere but its time Bond was given a few games .
Capable on his day but not often enough.(SJ)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2020, 02:02:49 PM
And regarding the freekick - he's too far over.  He's given Tomlin an open goal if he can chip it over the wall.  He doesn't have to be that far over to see the ball because the ref put markers down so the opposition players can't get to close to the wall and block his view.  You seem to be saying that the freekick was unstoppable.

It's not too unsimilar to Pereria's against Bristol City, except Periera hit it harder, flatter, and right into the top corner.  Keeper takes a step but he's not reaching that.  If it was hit as soft as the one last night the Bristol City keeper would have saved it.  Tomlin's not hit at pace, it wasn't right in the corner.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on January 29, 2020, 04:45:45 PM
I don't know whether he should have saved the free kick but why play it short and put us under pressure?

He had the chance to clear the ball in the build up to the free kick.
I'm not one for calling a player usless but he hasnt moved forward in his developement at all, infact he seems to be going backwards SB needs to give 007 a run
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 29, 2020, 10:18:36 PM
It's weird that we have some fans insisting that Bilic hasn't tried anything new with different players.
Then also some fans saying he keeps dropping the wrong players.
To be clear , most fans are saying Johnstone needs dropping .....and billic hasn’t
Some are saying Livermore should be dropped .....he hasn’t

Krov scored v barnsley DROPPED
Austin scored v blues DROPPED
Kanu scored v boro DROPPED
Townsend scored v West Ham DROPPED

I haven’t seen one fan asking for furlong to be dropped, he’s been one of our best players...guess what ?

To me it’s clear that the manager is making many strange d3cisions and refuses to make the obvious one ....
Opinions eh?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 30, 2020, 05:35:23 AM
Not sure what this keeper strengths are. 1 in 10 he has a blinder the rest of the time he is a waste of space. Doesnt command his box or his defence he seldom comes for crosses never mind how floaty. He is beaten regularly from range plenty of which are tame efforts.

Yes his kicking is quite good but keeper main job is stop the ball going in the net. That long throw somebody like Russell holt would have cleared bodies out his way and claimed that or punched it. The second goal why on earth has he passed that to bartley and invited pressure? We literally just got back in the game...

No clean sheets at home this year that's god awful.
Bond when called upon has looked steady and the defenders seem more at ease with him behind. Sj bad when confident but he like a few others confidence totally shot. Time for bond
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: palmaroy on January 30, 2020, 07:37:05 AM
Just out of interest can anybody recall Johnstone ever needing the trainer on for treatment.He completely backs out of any physical contact,not really great for a goalkeeper
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on January 30, 2020, 11:46:05 AM
To be clear , most fans are saying Johnstone needs dropping .....and billic hasn’t
Some are saying Livermore should be dropped .....he hasn’t

Krov scored v barnsley DROPPED
Austin scored v blues DROPPED
Kanu scored v boro DROPPED
Townsend scored v West Ham DROPPED

I haven’t seen one fan asking for furlong to be dropped, he’s been one of our best players...guess what ?

To me it’s clear that the manager is making many strange d3cisions and refuses to make the obvious one ....
Opinions eh?
I agree, Furlong has hardly put a foot wrong and buzzes about keeping them guessing when we are going forward, maybe it was because he was Bilic's "discovery" that Ferguson kept getting picked.  Townsend being dropped for Cardif was nonsensical, and surely Austin after his 2 at Blues deserved a start or two at least, the adrenalin alone would have got him going surely.  I've gone from Johnstone is our best goalie to he needs dropping since Xmas, I'm afraid he has lost any confidence he ever had.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on January 30, 2020, 12:16:33 PM
I agree, Furlong has hardly put a foot wrong and buzzes about keeping them guessing when we are going forward, maybe it was because he was Bilic's "discovery" that Ferguson kept getting picked.  Townsend being dropped for Cardif was nonsensical, and surely Austin after his 2 at Blues deserved a start or two at least, the adrenalin alone would have got him going surely.  I've gone from Johnstone is our best goalie to he needs dropping since Xmas, I'm afraid he has lost any confidence he ever had.

the furlong one is baffling to me, unless he is carrying a knock it makes no sense whatsoever, I dont necessarily think a forward scoring makes them undroppable for the next game, however Austins 2 @ blooze should have got him a game to replicate it at least.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hardtobeat on January 30, 2020, 12:23:59 PM
the furlong one is baffling to me, unless he is carrying a knock it makes no sense whatsoever, I dont necessarily think a forward scoring makes them undroppable for the next game, however Austins 2 @ blooze should have got him a game to replicate it at least.
I suspect Ferguson played instead of Townsend at Cardiff to ensure we had a fit. L/B for Saturday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 01, 2020, 07:23:10 AM
Biggest load of tosh, I have read for a while. Only mistake last night was playing it out from the back in the lead up to the second goal. Plenty of others who need the figure pointing before you get to the keeper. Bartley as RCB has never worked and Billic should now that by now!

Problem is it this was the main mistake that led to the goal. And his mistakes are costing us goals nearly every game now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2020, 10:03:18 AM
Can anyone remember Sam being linked with another club since joining us?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: cads_ap_albion on February 01, 2020, 10:07:23 AM
Problem is it this was the main mistake that led to the goal. And his mistakes are costing us goals nearly every game now.

Bartley was at total fault for that goal - he had time and space but his pass was shocking. Cannot understand Sam getting the blame for that
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Marcus on February 01, 2020, 10:32:46 AM
I know we were very spoilt with Foster, and SJ is still relatively young in goal keeping terms at 26. However, I've seen no signs of improvement since he's been here. Whether that's a SJ issue or a fault with coaching who knows. I just don't see him getting any better though.

He seems to lack the "balls" for it and I don't think that is something you can coach. I noticed against Stoke that Butland was very active. You could tell the six yard box was his area and he was in charge. It was in stark contrast to Johnstone.

For a team with Premier League aspirations we need better. - Simple as that !

I still don't see him being dropped though  :(
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2020, 10:35:04 AM
I think he's getting worse nevermind not improving. He's just not good enough at this level.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Barrington on February 01, 2020, 10:39:03 AM
Villa fans at work tell me he was a good goalkeeper for them but they seem to have got promoted and have got to a cup final since they replaced him......

Anyway, it'll be nice to see Bond in goal today because surely no competent manager would continue to play Johnstone any further given his poor form and clean sheet record.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2020, 10:40:37 AM
I am praying for Bond. I think the fanbase is rapidly running out of patience with SJ and if he's selected i imagine there will be collective groan throughout the ground which doesnt help anyone.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheBrom on February 01, 2020, 11:50:37 AM
Bartley was at total fault for that goal - he had time and space but his pass was shocking. Cannot understand Sam getting the blame for that

Total fault? SJ clears it long and they don’t score.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 01, 2020, 12:15:01 PM
Villa fans at work tell me he was a good goalkeeper for them but they seem to have got promoted and have got to a cup final since they replaced him......

Anyway, it'll be nice to see Bond in goal today because surely no competent manager would continue to play Johnstone any further given his poor form and clean sheet record.

Not sure thats because they replaced him to be fair, didn't he break a clean sheet record whilst he was with them?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Barrington on February 01, 2020, 12:27:46 PM
Not sure thats because they replaced him to be fair, didn't he break a clean sheet record whilst he was with them?

I had no idea about that, but it surprises me that he managed it. I don't mean to be horrible to any player who puts the effort in but he's clearly not producing the goods for us and has regressed if anything.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 01, 2020, 07:34:17 PM
Even today with Luton failing to force a save out of him it looked a bit of a mess. Half the team don't seem to like playing with him. Sawyers conceded a corner late on and then went mental at Johnstone, presumably for failing to come off his line and claim the ball. Constant shouting between the outfield players and the GK. Bilic seems set on keeping him in the first team until at least the summer though. Generally we have a pattern of play in which the defenders and keeper mess about with the ball and turn it over in dangers areas of the pitch, too often there is a reluctance to clear the ball and so many times basic clearances to allow the team to push up the pitch turn into chaos after we have miskicked the ball straight up into the air or chipped it barely outside our box. At least SJ finally kicked a few balls long today to get red of it when we needed to.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 01, 2020, 07:41:04 PM
Yep, had very little to do but made a meal out of it.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 03, 2020, 09:00:49 AM
The fans got on his back early on when he misplaced a seemingly simple pass to Townsend, and from that moment on his body language was awful - he didn't look bothered. And after that, I don't think our defenders wanted to go back to him; there were several times they would have in the past, but didn't this time.

Seems to me he's fallen into a malaise, and probably needs to come out the team for a bit.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 03, 2020, 12:52:47 PM
Decision making often poor for me, he'll start coming for a ball and then bottle it running back leaving the defenders having to second guess him. Part of that comes down to communication or his apparent lack of it, you never hear him saying anything until there's a break in play and he's trying to blame others for an issue he's helped cause. His foot work is appalling he just can't seem to move them quickly enough which is truly remarkable for a goalkeeper at this high a level.

I see people try to back him to the hilt by saying he's a good shot stopper, I disagree with that to a point anyway but regardless that is the bare minimum required to be a goalkeeper surely? He needs to have more about him than that, at the moment he clearly makes the lads in front of him panic and they appear to have little confidence in him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on February 03, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
I'd also say his shot stopping is more from a "needs a quick reaction near me" type situation rather than can deal with shots from distance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 03, 2020, 01:20:24 PM
From my viewpoint in the Smethwick end Bartley is always tearing strips off him when he fannies about. Which is most of the time. Hope we can get a few million back on him in the summer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on February 03, 2020, 01:57:52 PM
From my viewpoint in the Smethwick end Bartley is always tearing strips off him when he fannies about. Which is most of the time. Hope we can get a few million back on him in the summer.
I know a lot of people think he's unfairly treated but, personally, even if we brought someone in, I wouldn't feel confident with him as a number 2. I really do think he's poor, his body language, positioning, footwork, reactions are all sub standard and he shirks away too much.
Glad we got a clean sheet on Saturday and would love to be proven wrong but he just has too many weaknesses for me to think he will ever truly progress.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 03, 2020, 02:01:18 PM
I would not like him to be our number 2 or 3 keeper in the PL.

I'm on edge with him against championship attackers let alone PL ones.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 03, 2020, 02:06:43 PM

I'm on edge with him against championship attackers let alone PL ones.


Me too. He isnt good enough, simple as that and he's a weak link in our team. God only knows what he has to do to get dropped.

Bond might not be Gordon Banks but he's less of a handicap than Johnstone is.


Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 03, 2020, 03:05:26 PM
Must have nudes of Bilic wife or something to keep his place in the team.

Can't see anyone but a lower half Champo team or below coming in for him :(
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Bilston Dan on February 03, 2020, 03:20:38 PM
Must have nudes of Bilic wife or something to keep his place in the team.

Can't see anyone but a lower half Champo team or below coming in for him :(

He must have something over him because I think the majority of our fans, myself included, are struggling to see what Bond has to do to get into the team.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on February 03, 2020, 03:25:19 PM
From my viewpoint in the Smethwick end Bartley is always tearing strips off him when he fannies about. Which is most of the time. Hope we can get a few million back on him in the summer.

Coming from the King of Fannying About at the Back this must be quite a blow to Sam's confidence and levels of self esteem. Talk about the pot calling the kettle out. The mirrors must face the wall in Kyle's home, much of the time......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 03, 2020, 03:27:18 PM
He must have something over him because I think the majority of our fans, myself included, are struggling to see what Bond has to do to get into the team.

I 100% agree. For Bilic not to see it is quite worrying!

Coming from the King of Fannying About at the Back this must be quite a blow to Sam's confidence and levels of self esteem. Talk about the pot calling the kettle out. The mirrors must face the wall in Kyle's home, much of the time......


Hhahahahahahha the irony isn't lost on me believe me.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
Lets not forget we are paying Al Habsi for something ? why isn't he figuring? or has he got photos of Mark Jenkins mrs?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on February 03, 2020, 04:09:51 PM
To be honest I imagine the chances are Bilic knows he sucks. He just after watching Bond in training every day, doesn't think he is up to it either.

That's no way to select your goalkeeper  :-X .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 03, 2020, 10:10:30 PM
In all seriousness
This thread has gone from a few saying they have doubts, to most having doubts and now is filling up with the “we thought he was ok but even we think he’s abysmal”...what has to happen for the head coach to do something?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 03, 2020, 10:16:44 PM
We have just had a transfer window, I'm sure if the manager was that concerned, he would have dealt with it. Sam has limitations, but he is not as bad as some would have you believe, I think playing behind a suspect zonal marking system has not helped his confidence.

We definitely have struggled against set pieces, but to attach all of that to Sam is just wrong.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 03, 2020, 10:20:27 PM
We have just had a transfer window, I'm sure if the manager was that concerned, he would have dealt with it. Sam has limitations, but he is not as bad as some would have you believe, I think playing behind a suspect zonal marking system has not helped his confidence.

We definitely have struggled against set pieces, but to attach all of that to Sam is just wrong.
That’s the big problem with this whole argument IMO
No one is blaming Sam for everything , most know that Zohore is useless , Kanu not prolific enough,Phillips to inconsistent, Livermore one paced etc etc and we all know about the zonlal marking....
But
He doesn’t come off his line, he’s beaten too easily from distance , his team mates are telling him time and time again
He’s just very very poor
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2020, 10:28:33 PM
We have just had a transfer window, I'm sure if the manager was that concerned, he would have dealt with it. Sam has limitations, but he is not as bad as some would have you believe, I think playing behind a suspect zonal marking system has not helped his confidence.

We definitely have struggled against set pieces, but to attach all of that to Sam is just wrong.


Can't believe some of the comments on this thread, I agree with you BP, Sam Johnstone has his limitations, but is nowhere near as bad as being said on here.

Just looked at the BBC sport league table and only 4 teams have conceded less goals than us;

Fulham - 1 less
Forest   - 3 less
Leeds    - 6 less
Brentford - 10 less
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on February 03, 2020, 11:23:00 PM
It's probably just a coincidence the four teams that have conceded less than us are currently our nearest rivals. I'm sure it'll all work out for the best if we can stop conceding soft goals, ensure the draw column starts to even itself out and we pick up some more wins. Never mind we're off to the happy hunting grounds otherwise known as Millwall and Reading away next. Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on February 04, 2020, 02:23:18 AM
Lets not forget we are paying Al Habsi for something ? why isn't he figuring? or has he got photos of Mark Jenkins mrs?
;D No but I think Russell Hoult may have some pictures from his playing days. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: SmethDan on February 04, 2020, 08:52:16 AM
Come on Sam, you can do it lad......
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on February 04, 2020, 09:03:13 AM
Come on Sam, you can do it lad......

No one wants to see any player fail but Sam needs to start controlling his box more, even putting a few of his own defenders on there backside if he has to.
I for one was excited by his signing he seemed a up & comeing premier league quality keeper but to me he seems to have reached his peak has a keeper hope im wrong.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 04, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
We have just had a transfer window, I'm sure if the manager was that concerned, he would have dealt with it. Sam has limitations, but he is not as bad as some would have you believe, I think playing behind a suspect zonal marking system has not helped his confidence.

We definitely have struggled against set pieces, but to attach all of that to Sam is just wrong.

The thing there is that the manager isn't in full control of transfers - he has an input, but the majority of it is up to Dowling.

We spent £6 million (rising to £10 million) on Johnstone, and even coming off the back of his best season for Villa I thought we'd been done over - would rather have had Henderson on loan for a couple of years. But having spent that amount of money on a keeper, there are people who won't want him to be seen as a failure, because then their judgement is questioned.

And if you think I'm being all 'conspiracy theorist' about this, remember that Gareth McAuley was told he wasn't getting in because we'd spent big money on Evans and Hegazi and if a 36-year-old free transfer was in the team 'we'd look stupid', even though Evans couldn't be bothered and Hegazi was struggling to adapt.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 04, 2020, 01:11:22 PM
The thing there is that the manager isn't in full control of transfers - he has an input, but the majority of it is up to Dowling.

We spent £6 million (rising to £10 million) on Johnstone, and even coming off the back of his best season for Villa I thought we'd been done over - would rather have had Henderson on loan for a couple of years. But having spent that amount of money on a keeper, there are people who won't want him to be seen as a failure, because then their judgement is questioned.

And if you think I'm being all 'conspiracy theorist' about this, remember that Gareth McAuley was told he wasn't getting in because we'd spent big money on Evans and Hegazi and if a 36-year-old free transfer was in the team 'we'd look stupid', even though Evans couldn't be bothered and Hegazi was struggling to adapt.
Well I for one don't think it's a conspiracy theory mate, and I have heard from a fairly reliable source who I personally believe, that the same scenario applies to SJ's position.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 04, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
The thing there is that the manager isn't in full control of transfers - he has an input, but the majority of it is up to Dowling.

We spent £6 million (rising to £10 million) on Johnstone, and even coming off the back of his best season for Villa I thought we'd been done over - would rather have had Henderson on loan for a couple of years. But having spent that amount of money on a keeper, there are people who won't want him to be seen as a failure, because then their judgement is questioned.

And if you think I'm being all 'conspiracy theorist' about this, remember that Gareth McAuley was told he wasn't getting in because we'd spent big money on Evans and Hegazi and if a 36-year-old free transfer was in the team 'we'd look stupid', even though Evans couldn't be bothered and Hegazi was struggling to adapt.


There's certainly some truth in that.

There are instances where players are signed on loan on the proviso they play x amount of matches for example which basically means they have to be picked regardless of results / performances.

I don't agree with that sort of thing, I think it stinks but I'm not naive enough not to accept that it happens in the game.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on February 09, 2020, 04:07:28 PM
Thought he was much improved today. Came out and punched a few, made a couple of decent saves that admittedly you'd expect him to make, but he made them. He didn't mess around with it at the back he just put his foot through the ball. Hopefully the back to back clean sheets instils some confidence in him and the defence.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 09, 2020, 06:06:13 PM
Thought he was much improved today. Came out and punched a few, made a couple of decent saves that admittedly you'd expect him to make, but he made them. He didn't mess around with it at the back he just put his foot through the ball. Hopefully the back to back clean sheets instils some confidence in him and the defence.

Amazing what dropping Hegazi can do. SJ did alright today, without being tested much. Glad to see him kicking it long.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tommcneill on February 09, 2020, 06:07:51 PM
Commanding today.

At no point did I feel uneasy with him, he was solid
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on February 09, 2020, 06:10:09 PM
A good solid performance in terrible conditions.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 09, 2020, 06:34:55 PM
A good solid performance in terrible conditions.
He had nothing to do. Never comes off his line never commands his box in the pub dinner time everyone still saying the same not good enough. Don't want to put a downer on our performance though and fair play to all our fans who travelled in that terrible weather we'll done!!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 09, 2020, 06:43:01 PM
He had nothing to do. Never comes off his line never commands his box in the pub dinner time everyone still saying the same not good enough. Don't want to put a downer on our performance though and fair play to all our fans who travelled in that terrible weather we'll done!!


Spot on, Millwall were very poor in that respect, put very little pressure on him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2020, 06:46:14 PM
Amazing what dropping Hegazi can do. SJ did alright today, without being tested much. Glad to see him kicking it long.

Hegazi has been a liability all season, he has not had a good season, error strewn every time he has been given a chance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 09, 2020, 07:37:28 PM
He had nothing to do. Never comes off his line never commands his box in the pub dinner time everyone still saying the same not good enough. Don't want to put a downer on our performance though and fair play to all our fans who travelled in that terrible weather we'll done!!
Your comment about him having nothing to do is, in my opinion, patent nonsense.
Worldies? No. Blunders? No.
Obviously you are free to denigrate him and his performance, but would it not be better to stay within the realms of reality?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on February 09, 2020, 10:20:23 PM
He did what he had to do so well done for that
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 09, 2020, 10:59:00 PM
Your comment about him having nothing to do is, in my opinion, patent nonsense.
Worldies? No. Blunders? No.
Obviously you are free to denigrate him and his performance, but would it not be better to stay within the realms of reality?
If you understood what you where reading you would see what i was saying. I was responding to someone who said he had a good game. How could he have a good game if he had nothing to do!? Anyway I can't stand Sam Johnstone and the sooner he's out of the team the better and i have felt like this since i first saw him. My opinion.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on February 09, 2020, 11:47:59 PM
Played well today especially his distribution which got us up the pitch, couple of regulation saves so job well done Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 10, 2020, 12:33:34 AM
If you understood what you where reading you would see what i was saying. I was responding to someone who said he had a good game. How could he have a good game if he had nothing to do!? Anyway I can't stand Sam Johnstone and the sooner he's out of the team the better and i have felt like this since i first saw him. My opinion.
Please do not try to patronise me, by claiming I cannot understand basic English. You have yet again claimed he had nothing to do, when he quite obviously did have plenty (of normal things) to do, as evidenced by posters complimenting his efforts.
Just because people have antipathy toward a player does make him a poor player. Blind prejudice is never a good starting point for judgement.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on February 10, 2020, 03:42:31 AM
 ;D Thought he had a very good game his kicking and punching(needed in the blustery conditions) and also better control of his area....nearly cleaned up Semi ?with one of his clearances...which is very hard to do.

I think he is a "confidence" keeper and he tried to put a few things right today :D :D :D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 10, 2020, 05:32:45 AM
Well I was there , and I ain't having any **** about any player, in that team yesterday. Terrific performance by all, in atrocious conditions, and the nit-pickers on here, can't leave it alone.   
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 10, 2020, 09:02:49 AM
Well I was there , and I ain't having any **** about any player, in that team yesterday. Terrific performance by all, in atrocious conditions, and the nit-pickers on here, can't leave it alone.
Not nit picking i thought it was all about opinions? My opinion doesn't agree with yours so in not picking? Really.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2020, 09:40:13 AM
What he had to do he did well, thought his kicking was bang on considering the wind and don't recall him putting it out of play once. He also had a great defence in front of him yesterday.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NJS on February 10, 2020, 09:51:49 AM
Occasionally it's preferable if opinions are supported by some sort of evidence or argument however skewed.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wodenson46 on February 10, 2020, 10:25:02 AM
I am a big critic oF Sj, I just don't think he is a good keeper. However he did well yesterday by doing the basic things I would expect from a goalkeeper any this level, in other words a vast improvement on most pst performances. If he keeps this up and keeps trying to improve he might just do. Well done SJ.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Singhwba on February 10, 2020, 11:33:04 AM
Did well yesterday considering the conditions. Punched the balls he had to, kicked the balls instead of faffing about, made a good save from the free kick. Solid game for Sam.
Cant everyone just support the players who wear the shirt whilst they do.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 10, 2020, 12:08:51 PM
Not nit picking i thought it was all about opinions? My opinion doesn't agree with yours so in not picking? Really.
What are you trying to say? :D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on February 10, 2020, 12:21:27 PM
Did well yesterday considering the conditions. Punched the balls he had to, kicked the balls instead of faffing about, made a good save from the free kick. Solid game for Sam.
Cant everyone just support the players who wear the shirt whilst they do.
This is a forum though, support is for match day, this is about opinions and therefore both credit and criticism.
I'm no fan and would like to see someone else between the sticks but, he played well today, although the conditions were more testing than the opposition, as you say, he did everything he needed to do and his kicking was superb.
2 clean sheets in a row which will hopefully breed confidence and I really hope it does because, if we stop giving away silly goals, we win the league, IMO.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 10, 2020, 12:50:03 PM
Not nit picking i thought it was all about opinions? My opinion doesn't agree with yours so in not picking? Really.
Anyone who chooses to criticise someone from a team performance like that yesterday is a nit-picker, and after the way we have been playing recently, really searching for a negative in a great performance.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 10, 2020, 01:20:53 PM
Anyone who chooses to criticise someone from a team performance like that yesterday is a nit-picker, and after the way we have been playing recently, really searching for a negative in a great performance.

Agree with this - also slightly confused by the "can't stand Sam Johnstone line".

Sam Johnstone might have his deficiencies as a goalkeeper but to go as far as not being able to stand him? There are others players within this squad and who have played for this club previously who deserve that sort of vitriol and its not Sam Johnstone.

For what its worth, yesterday was a solid performance where he dealt with everything he had to competently, supported by a resolute back four. I hope that will be a confidence boost for Sam to put together some more solid performances.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on February 10, 2020, 01:39:22 PM
2-0 wins from now until the end of the season and job done.
Hope he gets confidence from the last two games
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 10, 2020, 05:51:44 PM
Anyone who chooses to criticise someone from a team performance like that yesterday is a nit-picker, and after the way we have been playing recently, really searching for a negative in a great performance.
Nothing to do with yesterday as i have said i can't stand him. Nothing to be confused about it's my personal feelings. Let's wait and see the posts on here after his next cock up!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 10, 2020, 06:10:42 PM
Nothing to do with yesterday as i have said i can't stand him. Nothing to be confused about it's my personal feelings. Let's wait and see the posts on here after his next cock up!
Therein lies the problem, you just can't wait can you?. This is just about as alien to supporting your team as it gets.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: AlbionFan on February 10, 2020, 06:16:42 PM
Bond had a similar game against West Ham as Johnstone yesterday, little or nothing to do and posters were clamoring for him, Bond to play.

When and if Bond does get a game in the Championship and he makes errors, as he surely will, as goalkeepers probably are more error prone than outfield players and there errors highlighted more, people will want him replaced by Ali Al-Habsi and when he makes errors.........................................
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 10, 2020, 06:25:34 PM
Therein lies the problem, you just can't wait can you?. This is just about as alien to supporting your team as it gets.
Mate don't start getting personal i support my team as much as the next person just because i disagree with you. Oh i forgot you went yesterday so there's only your opinion that counts.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tylerm on February 10, 2020, 06:25:55 PM
Sam has been much better since he has stopped playing the short game all the time. Bit like Bartley last year.
The defence has looked more comfortable too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on February 10, 2020, 06:39:22 PM
Couple of decent punches yesterday, maybe that's the answer if he doesn't trust himself to catch it
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on February 10, 2020, 06:41:52 PM
I can sort of understand disliking a player based on a run of bad performances or lack of effort BUT to dislike a player from day one is weird it suggests a prior agenda in SJ’s case I can only think it’s because he came from the vile. I have to ask if Gareth Barry or Jolyon Lescott we’re similarly disliked?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on February 10, 2020, 07:35:26 PM
Nothing to do with yesterday as i have said i can't stand him. Nothing to be confused about it's my personal feelings. Let's wait and see the posts on here after his next cock up!

I  get why you think he's a poor keeper but even poor keepers have a good game once in a while like he did against Millwall
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 11, 2020, 12:34:37 AM
I  get why you think he's a poor keeper but even poor keepers have a good game once in a while like he did against Millwall
NO HE DID'NT!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on February 11, 2020, 10:55:19 AM
NO HE DID'NT!
Out of interest, why can't you stand him?
How many marks out of 10 would you give him against Millwall?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Atomic on February 11, 2020, 11:08:08 AM
Johnstone isnt my idea of a great keeper and I wouldve replaced him with Bond long ago BUT I don't see how anyone can criticise him at Millwall. Didnt have a lot to do but what he did have to do he did.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Sted1990 on February 11, 2020, 11:09:48 AM
Look, he is Bilics number one so lets back him and get promoted!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 11, 2020, 10:51:35 PM
NO HE DID'NT!
You'll need to shout louder and longer.  :D
Looks like you (and your prejudiced views) are in a very small minority when his Millwall performance is being evaluated.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: jimmyj on February 11, 2020, 11:08:55 PM
I don't think I'm alone in thinking there are some really weird, illogical attitudes to SJ on display in here.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 12, 2020, 08:56:31 AM
I don't think I'm alone in thinking there are some really weird, illogical attitudes to SJ on display in here.

We had the same with Scott Carson, and to be fair they are similar levels of keeper.

He'll never be as good as Foster, so we can always do better. But he's no Zuberbuhler or Whitehead, he'll always be towards the top end of the Championship, so he's good enough for where we are. But because we've had better - including in this division - there will always be people demanding improvement.

If you look back at what people were saying about Carson years ago, it's similar. But Roy soon sussed Carson out, and wanted a better keeper, which the club delivered. The amount of money we've spent on Johnstone, you can't see them doing the same for Bilic.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: seteefeet on February 12, 2020, 09:20:33 AM
I don't think I'm alone in thinking there are some really weird, illogical attitudes to SJ on display in here.
I think that he's a poor keeper, based on his weaknesses, crosses, positioning, footwork, shots from distance, which I don't consider illogical.
I can however, recognise, and welcome improvement, which is what we saw against Milwall. Granted he didn't have much to do but there were signs, notably him coming off his line a couple of times and punching clear and his distribution was impeccable. If he can continue to improve and build confidence and clean sheets, he'll do until the end of the season.
Longer term, I think he has too many frailties and is not strong enough for the highest level so think we will need to improve if we go up.
Don't think any of the above is unfair.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 12, 2020, 11:23:36 AM
I think that he's a poor keeper, based on his weaknesses, crosses, positioning, footwork, shots from distance, which I don't consider illogical.
I can however, recognise, and welcome improvement, which is what we saw against Milwall. Granted he didn't have much to do but there were signs, notably him coming off his line a couple of times and punching clear and his distribution was impeccable. If he can continue to improve and build confidence and clean sheets, he'll do until the end of the season.
Longer term, I think he has too many frailties and is not strong enough for the highest level so think we will need to improve if we go up.
Don't think any of the above is unfair.
He just needs to punch more rather than try to be a keeper who controls his box (he just isn't good enough for that in my 'umble opinion). He is just a bog standard keeper.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: leeiswba on February 12, 2020, 12:06:41 PM
I don’t think he’s great but he’s far from the worst we’ve had, comments like ‘I can’t stand him’ find a bit strange as he’s still a player for West Bromwich Albion who I’d say gives his all even if he doesn’t fill me with confidence.

To say he played poorly against Millwall is also kind of strange, he didn’t do anything brilliant and he didn’t do anything wrong as far as I could see, looks like a certain amount of the fan base will never like him now whatever he does so it looks as if even if he saves us 10 points in 10 games but gives 2 away in 1 games then it will just be all focused on the 1 game. Unfortunately when that happens a player will always struggle to have a future at a club, I find this quite poor to be honest.

I would look for another keeper in the summer anyway if we go up but I would rather be because he is not up to the job and say ‘thanks but goodbye’ not having to get rid just because what ever happens fans will always be on his back.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on February 12, 2020, 12:13:22 PM
I've been critical of him in the past but against Millwall he did everything he needed to.  There wasn't even room for him to play better.  I mean, I wouldn't give him a 10 out of 10, more like a 7 out of 10, "did what was asked".  Seems harsh to criticise him for the performance.

I agree with you Lee about once players have that rep.  Like Livermore, as soon as he misplaces one pass, even when he's trying to split the defence, the match thread is full of compaints, yet other players make similar issues and not a peep.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: frazzle on February 12, 2020, 01:03:50 PM
I've been critical of him in the past but against Millwall he did everything he needed to.  There wasn't even room for him to play better.  I mean, I wouldn't give him a 10 out of 10, more like a 7 out of 10, "did what was asked".  Seems harsh to criticise him for the performance.

I agree with you Lee about once players have that rep.  Like Livermore, as soon as he misplaces one pass, even when he's trying to split the defence, the match thread is full of compaints, yet other players make similar issues and not a peep.

Agreed. Take Bartley and Livermore - arguably two of our most essential players this season, hugely improved on last season and seemingly big characters in the dressing room. Yet the usual suspects take every opportunity to have a pop at them. I just laugh now as the usual suspects lose credibility even further as they cannot see past their own bias to actually comment accurately on a game or a performance. They clearly don’t understand the game not able to see it for what it is.

The in game thread at the weekend was a joke. But then I’m not minded to spend my time picking faults.

Johnstone did fine the other night but I don’t think he was much improved. He just did what he needed to do. The same can be said for Bond who hasn’t really put a foot wrong. It’s hard for a keeper to break through and he will only get a chance through injury or catastrophic loss of form by Johnstone, and Johnstone is doing just enough to keep his head above water at the moment.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2020, 02:35:02 PM
The only people who lose credibility are those who effusively praise the Johnstone's, Livermore's and Bartley's for the odd 6 or 7 out of 10 performance using nonsense hyperbole like, 'our most essential players'.


Take Johnstone on Sunday. He had virtually nothing to do but if someone did want to pick him apart then he could have caught the two crosses that he punched away well, left the shot going wide instead of parrying it out for a corner and held the tame shot that was going in instead of putting it out for a corner.


He was a bog standard 6 out of 10, maybe 6.5 for his distribution. The issue is not someone saying he didn't play well, it's the needless adding to this thread after the game disguising a nothing performance as something better.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 12, 2020, 02:42:31 PM
The only people who lose credibility are those who effusively praise the Johnstone's, Livermore's and Bartley's for the odd 6 or 7 out of 10 performance using nonsense hyperbole like, 'our most essential players'.


Take Johnstone on Sunday. He had virtually nothing to do but if someone did want to pick him apart then he could have caught the two crosses that he punched away well, left the shot going wide instead of parrying it out for a corner and held the tame shot that was going in instead of putting it out for a corner.


He was a bog standard 6 out of 10, maybe 6.5 for his distribution. The issue is not someone saying he didn't play well, it's the needless adding to this thread after the game disguising a nothing performance as something better.

There is also an issue though that for some players no matter how well they play and sometimes those players are an 8/10 that certain posters just won't give them any credit and call an outstanding performance a nothing /mundane performance.

anyone who just picks out players faults without being able to praise loses credibility surely?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: timdon on February 12, 2020, 05:00:41 PM
There is also an issue though that for some players no matter how well they play and sometimes those players are an 8/10 that certain posters just won't give them any credit and call an outstanding performance a nothing /mundane performance.

anyone who just picks out players faults without being able to praise loses credibility surely?
Of course. Exactly the same as picking out players' strengths without being able to criticise. Just demonstrates blind bias based on a rigid opinion, which results in loss of credibility.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: frazzle on February 12, 2020, 05:33:24 PM
Of course. Exactly the same as picking out players' strengths without being able to criticise. Just demonstrates blind bias based on a rigid opinion, which results in loss of credibility.

Agreed. Having a needless dig at a player when they have been very good, or over playing how good they were just means that people will just skip over their posts as I have learned to do.

Saying that we are all fans and just have different perspectives. It’s just that for me there are a few on here who want to be the Adrian Durham of the forum, and therefore I’ve no interest.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on February 12, 2020, 05:50:40 PM
He's clearly going to keep his place this season, next season is another matter, whatever div we're in
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on February 12, 2020, 06:37:08 PM
All I ask is that we rate a player based on his performance in the game in question as opposed to some regular posters who simply will not praise certain players and will never criticise certain others, regardless of what has transpired in the game in question. That’s what I struggle with.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: albion59 on February 12, 2020, 08:15:38 PM
All I ask is that we rate a player based on his performance in the game in question as opposed to some regular posters who simply will not praise certain players and will never criticise certain others, regardless of what has transpired in the game in question. That’s what I struggle with.
See in match thread.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2020, 10:15:38 PM
Another awful performance.


Thoughts?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on February 12, 2020, 10:17:19 PM
All I ask is that we rate a player based on his performance in the game in question as opposed to some regular posters who simply will not praise certain players and will never criticise certain others, regardless of what has transpired in the game in question. That’s what I struggle with.

You talk to much sense mukka.
I dont see him has our number 1 next season if we go up.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBArgo on February 12, 2020, 10:19:06 PM
Another awful performance.


Thoughts?

Agree, their offside goal at the end was absolutely woeful positioning yet again. Luckily the guy was offside but it wasn't good.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 12, 2020, 10:20:26 PM
Another awful performance.


Thoughts?

Meh.

He should have come off his line for the first one, but I notice you haven’t criticised Pereria for his wild kick which caused all the pressure. Ridiculous defending.

I thought he was fouled following that too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on February 12, 2020, 10:21:30 PM
We just have to stick with him until hopefully we get promoted.

I gave him credit against Millwall but I thought he was poor again today. I'm concerned every time we concede    a set piece and I think the players are too.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: geoff on February 12, 2020, 10:23:41 PM
Another awful performance.


Thoughts?

Back to his normal self tonight & showing why he has so many doudters.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2020, 10:23:56 PM
Meh.

He should have come off his line for the first one, but I notice you haven’t criticised Pereria for his wild kick which caused all the pressure. Ridiculous defending.

I thought he was fouled following that too.


Criticism for a flair player trying to put his foot through it in his own box or for a goal keeper afraid to leave his line then getting bullied out of play? Only one man at fault here mate sorry.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Webby on February 12, 2020, 10:27:41 PM
Was one in first half where even red button commentator said something along lines of "should really be Johnstone's there but for some reason he's retreated to his line".
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: caravanc58 on February 12, 2020, 10:28:42 PM
The Reading goal that got chalked off  for offside showed why he doesn't come off his line.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbako on February 12, 2020, 10:29:34 PM
Agree, their offside goal at the end was absolutely woeful positioning yet again. Luckily the guy was offside but it wasn't good.

Was I the only one who thought their player looked onside? He came from a long way back and outjumped Johnstone with ease.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 12, 2020, 10:29:49 PM

Criticism for a flair player trying to put his foot through it in his own box or for a goal keeper afraid to leave his line then getting bullied out of play? Only one man at fault here mate sorry.

The fault is collective. A catalogue of errors which lead to the goal.

If Pereria doesn’t hoof it behind him then it doesn’t lead to the massive flap from the centre halves and the keeper

Not excluding him from blame - just dishing it out fairly.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Dexy on February 12, 2020, 10:32:08 PM
Meh.

He should have come off his line for the first one, but I notice you haven’t criticised Pereria for his wild kick which caused all the pressure. Ridiculous defending.

I thought he was fouled following that too.
Agreed  , 3 at fault for that .
Pereira , Johnstone and Bartley .
Wild slice no matter what position you play , flat feet again from Johnstone and I can't even tell you what Bartley was doing .
Try not to be too harsh on Johnstone because for much of the season as a team we haven't defended well but he's basic a lot of the time , I really thought Bond would have got some games by now.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Westie on February 12, 2020, 11:01:42 PM
The last time that I saw Bond play, a cup match I think, he had a very poor game. Unless he gets worse or injured, Johnstone will be between the sticks for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: frazzle on February 12, 2020, 11:03:33 PM
I haven’t seen Bond put a foot wrong. He looks decent with the ball at his feet and he’s made a few good saves I think. He must be running Johnstone close, but as I said in another post, Johnstone is doing just enough to keep his place in my view.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 12, 2020, 11:28:18 PM
Johnstone has to be relegated to the bench. He frightens me, never mind the defence.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: tuamigos on February 13, 2020, 06:34:18 AM
I've noted that when a cross comes in most goal keepers go towards the ball, he does the polar opposite and seeks the sanctuary of the goal line.
1 good game in 10 isn't consistent enough IMO.
A replacement has to be a priority next season whatever league we are in
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: ronnie_allen on February 13, 2020, 08:57:50 AM
Was I the only one who thought their player looked onside? He came from a long way back and outjumped Johnstone with ease.

Thought so originally. But West Brom stepped up in line and hr was a good metre offside from the freeze frame I saw.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 13, 2020, 09:04:32 AM
The last time that I saw Bond play, a cup match I think, he had a very poor game. Unless he gets worse or injured, Johnstone will be between the sticks for the rest of the season.

He wasn't convincing against Millwall in the Carabao cup but he's looked decent in the FA Cup games, hasn't had a lot to do in either but has done what's needed.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on February 13, 2020, 06:02:42 PM
Good job some of you didn't read the Daily Star today as the writer claimed he was the best keeper outside of the Prem ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 13, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
Good job some of you didn't read the Daily Star today as the writer claimed he was the best keeper outside of the Prem ;D

He's just confirmed that paper as one of the very worst around but that's nothing we didn't know already anyway.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: wbako on February 13, 2020, 06:07:55 PM
Thought so originally. But West Brom stepped up in line and hr was a good metre offside from the freeze frame I saw.

Fair enough.

Haven't seen it back but at the time I thought he looked on. Their centre forward was miles off but as I say, it appeared at the time that he came from deep.

Johnstone's indecisiveness has been lost in the fact that the goal was disallowed but it really was dreadful goalkeeping.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: boinging_along on February 13, 2020, 07:50:43 PM
I think the forward caused the issues as SJ needed to come and do something as he wouldn't have been 100% sure that the forward was offside.  As it turns out the player came from deep.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on February 13, 2020, 08:01:45 PM
Fair enough.

Haven't seen it back but at the time I thought he looked on. Their centre forward was miles off but as I say, it appeared at the time that he came from deep.

Johnstone's indecisiveness has been lost in the fact that the goal was disallowed but it really was dreadful goalkeeping.

He was definitely offside but Johnstone didn't cover himself in glory.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on February 13, 2020, 08:03:33 PM
I put this on another thread:

It was close with the scorer, but the idiot who stopped offside to adjust his sock or whatever he was doing was right in front of Johnstone so definitely interfering with play.

Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: chipperclark on February 14, 2020, 01:04:12 AM
 :( Could be worse we could have the Leeds keeper Casilles Kickarse!!!!
 He cannot do anything right and is a real "downer" for their chances of going up. ;D
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: BalisPen on February 14, 2020, 01:42:32 AM
:( Could be worse we could have the Leeds keeper Casilles Kickarse!!!!
 He cannot do anything right and is a real "downer" for their chances of going up. ;D

Sods law that the racist scumbag had his best game against us recently when unfortunately his handling was very good.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on February 15, 2020, 03:08:16 PM
Forests latex equaliser was a good strike but I do feel a top keeper should be getting a hand on it
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 15, 2020, 03:09:41 PM
Forests latex equaliser was a good strike but I do feel a top keeper should be getting a hand on it

Have you seen it back on TV? No keeper was getting that.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 15, 2020, 03:10:30 PM
Forests latex equaliser was a good strike but I do feel a top keeper should be getting a hand on it


I know what you mean SJ barely gets off the ground.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2020, 03:17:46 PM
He had no chance with their equaliser.

Thought he could have claimed the first one. It’s all down to anticipation and game awareness. There’s plenty of space around as it’s only Grbban and Bartley around in the six yard box. Your centre half is not positioned correctly. Forest, a side who like to get crosses into the box, it’s in your six yard box..

For me the keeper needs to come and claim that. He’s far too flat footed.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: baggie82 on February 15, 2020, 03:21:32 PM
He had no chance with their equaliser.

Thought he could have claimed the first one. It’s all down to anticipation and game awareness. There’s plenty of space around as it’s only Grbban and Bartley around in the six yard box. Your centre half is not positioned correctly. Forest, a side who like to get crosses into the box, it’s in your six yard box..

For me the keeper needs to come and claim that. He’s far too flat footed.

Agree entirely with that analysis Liam.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KN22 on February 15, 2020, 03:23:13 PM
Absolutely no blame on him at all for the late Forest equaliser. More of a case for the first one I agree.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 15, 2020, 03:25:38 PM
Same, 1st one he should have come and gobbled  up but i've given up all hope of that ever happening. 2nd one was a good strike.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: yorkshire baggie on February 15, 2020, 03:26:51 PM
That's enough now. Time and time again he fails to command his area. Defenders have no confidence in him and as a result any ball in to the area is a potential goal.
This man could cost us promotion.
We have two other options. They can not be any worse. 8
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 15, 2020, 03:37:15 PM
Seems undroppable for some reason. I am baffled as to why Bilic picks him.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 15, 2020, 05:47:38 PM
We have to replace this liabilty, whether we get to the Prem or not.
It may cost a few bob, but it would be an investment.

He won't command his own box, never mind the penalty area.
It is only 6 yards out from his goal line (y'know the one which he remains on).
He is more fearful about crosses than Dracular.

Perhaps Slaven doesn't rate Bond for some reason.
How about bringing Alex Palmer back, now that he has been out on loan? Or even at a push...  Josh Griffiths.
Both have come through our academy.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: liverbaggie on February 15, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
What about Mr.Butland?
Always rated him,he wouldn't have to move house.
I thought he would leave Stoke in the summer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gazberg on February 15, 2020, 08:53:06 PM
What about Mr.Butland?
Always rated him,he wouldn't have to move house.
I thought he would leave Stoke in the summer.

Not a bad shout, still only 26. 1 year left on contract at end of season. How much would it cost though?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on February 15, 2020, 08:54:34 PM
Butland has been absolutely terrible most of this season
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 15, 2020, 08:59:40 PM
Far better than Johnstone though.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on February 15, 2020, 09:07:37 PM
Far better than Johnstone though.

I can only imagine the abuse SJ would receive if he'd have made the clangers Butland has this season.

We need an upgrade and identifying that man will be huge decision irrespective of what decision we're in
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 15, 2020, 09:13:39 PM
Far better than Johnstone though.
It must be a goalkeeper thing...
Stoke fans blame Butland for a good proportion of SCFC's woes.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: liverbaggie on February 15, 2020, 09:28:04 PM
He obviously wants to leave for pastures new,who can blame him?
He's better than Stoke.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 15, 2020, 09:52:52 PM
I just do not get it
There has been much on here over recent times, wether or not people should question the manager (and apparently some saying his position should be under threat) and it remains mostly sensible thoughts of the people and their own opinions.

Then we get to the keeper and this seems to split the fan base in 3
1) he’s not good enough for where we are/where we are going (hopefully)
2) he’s actually very good, look at his penalty record and some recent clean sheets
3) don’t really get involved , he is the keeper so let’s get on with it

For clarity I am definitely in number 1, I have been for most of the time he’s been in goal.
I’ve never met him, don’t care that he came from villa (super Kev was ok?) and gain nothing from wishing him to be replaced...other than the hope that the replacement is better..
But ......I’m definitely not a lone voice, there seemed a few that agreed and over time this has snowballed and now feels like the majority (certainly from the posts I read) are in 1 with many stating things like “I thought he was ok but he seems to be getting worse”
Now....we can’t blame the player for being picked....so How come the manager/coaching staff haven’t done anything about it ?
Does Slav really have the balls to drop someone on form?
To me it feels like most changes this season have been enforced due to injuries/suspension with the exclusion of Phillips (although possibly exhausted) and furlong (which is a head scratcher) I can’t remember anyone being dropped for being poor?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: KingKoren on February 15, 2020, 10:01:02 PM
I think the goalkeeper decision must be a very tricky one for any manager. I think most managers pray they already have a good keeper when they join a club and never want to think about that position again. I honestly don't think we can drop now, we need to hope he improves and then upgrade in the summer.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on February 15, 2020, 10:02:55 PM
I just do not get it
There has been much on here over recent times, wether or not people should question the manager (and apparently some saying his position should be under threat) and it remains mostly sensible thoughts of the people and their own opinions.

Then we get to the keeper and this seems to split the fan base in 3
1) he’s not good enough for where we are/where we are going (hopefully)
2) he’s actually very good, look at his penalty record and some recent clean sheets
3) don’t really get involved , he is the keeper so let’s get on with it

For clarity I am definitely in number 1, I have been for most of the time he’s been in goal.
I’ve never met him, don’t care that he came from villa (super Kev was ok?) and gain nothing from wishing him to be replaced...other than the hope that the replacement is better..
But ......I’m definitely not a lone voice, there seemed a few that agreed and over time this has snowballed and now feels like the majority (certainly from the posts I read) are in 1 with many stating things like “I thought he was ok but he seems to be getting worse”
Now....we can’t blame the player for being picked....so How come the manager/coaching staff haven’t done anything about it ?
Does Slav really have the balls to drop someone on form?
To me it feels like most changes this season have been enforced due to injuries/suspension with the exclusion of Phillips (although possibly exhausted) and furlong (which is a head scratcher) I can’t remember anyone being dropped for being poor?

Hegazi ?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 15, 2020, 10:23:14 PM
Hegazi ?
Should never have come in after O’Shea played so well...so (after the training ground fight) it was easy to pull him after a few games .
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Wigmore on February 16, 2020, 11:12:26 AM
Forests latex equaliser was a good strike but I do feel a top keeper should be getting a hand on it
Only if he could have stretched out a very elastic arm...
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Manc Baggie on February 16, 2020, 12:16:51 PM
I just do not get it
There has been much on here over recent times, wether or not people should question the manager (and apparently some saying his position should be under threat) and it remains mostly sensible thoughts of the people and their own opinions.

Then we get to the keeper and this seems to split the fan base in 3
1) he’s not good enough for where we are/where we are going (hopefully)
2) he’s actually very good, look at his penalty record and some recent clean sheets
3) don’t really get involved , he is the keeper so let’s get on with it

For clarity I am definitely in number 1, I have been for most of the time he’s been in goal.
I’ve never met him, don’t care that he came from villa (super Kev was ok?) and gain nothing from wishing him to be replaced...other than the hope that the replacement is better..
But ......I’m definitely not a lone voice, there seemed a few that agreed and over time this has snowballed and now feels like the majority (certainly from the posts I read) are in 1 with many stating things like “I thought he was ok but he seems to be getting worse”
Now....we can’t blame the player for being picked....so How come the manager/coaching staff haven’t done anything about it ?
Does Slav really have the balls to drop someone on form?
To me it feels like most changes this season have been enforced due to injuries/suspension with the exclusion of Phillips (although possibly exhausted) and furlong (which is a head scratcher) I can’t remember anyone being dropped for being poor?
I think your post sums things up quite nicely.

I thought it would be worth a look to see how the fish sniffers at seal park felt about SJ & was not surprised to see practically identical posts to many on our own forum.
It was all ‘welcome Sam, a great signing’ in the beginning, followed by the same reservations, to plenty of comments about not commanding his area & poor distribution, but a good shot stopper, to finally not good enough & £6.5m fee way to much.

I have seen nothing yet to change my mind about SJ being not good enough & if we were promoted, the thought of SJ in goal fills me with little confidence.
I would LOVE to be proved wrong about SJ, but I will not be holding my breath.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on February 16, 2020, 01:35:34 PM
I'm not a great fan of SJ's, but we'll have to stick with him for this season and hope he's got enough in his locker to help us to promotion. If we make it to the Prem, I'd like to see a keeper who commands his box, comes for crosses and has the authority to help organise his defence.
One obvious candidate who ticks all those boxes is Foster. If Watford get relegated, then we should make him an offer which I think he might accept. Back in the Midlands, kids are West Brom fans etc. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: paulosull on February 16, 2020, 01:56:37 PM
I'm not a great fan of SJ's, but we'll have to stick with him for this season and hope he's got enough in his locker to help us to promotion. If we make it to the Prem, I'd like to see a keeper who commands his box, comes for crosses and has the authority to help organise his defence.
One obvious candidate who ticks all those boxes is Foster. If Watford get relegated, then we should make him an offer which I think he might accept. Back in the Midlands, kids are West Brom fans etc.
left on sour note so it's a no for me, good keeper but we should be looking for someone younger.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 16, 2020, 03:41:29 PM
When the vile lot come down at the end of the season, how about a cheeky purchase of Reina? He would still be in the Premiership, then.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on February 16, 2020, 04:24:13 PM
left on sour note so it's a no for me, good keeper but we should be looking for someone younger.
Can't see the point of holding a grudge, if he helped us gain, maybe, 10 points over a season.  The past would soon be forgotten. But needs Watford to be relegated first. 
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 16, 2020, 04:32:56 PM
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: gerry m on February 16, 2020, 05:18:06 PM
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.

Bang on the money Liam!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: hardtobeat on February 16, 2020, 05:24:31 PM
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I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.
Not the first time either , did the same / similar across the Blues. Also think he has had his moments e.g v Stoke for us , had kick charged down into goal this season , well passed his sell by date move on !!
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: alex1 on February 16, 2020, 05:52:43 PM
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.
Player wants to play in the Prem. Can't see what's so surprising about that. Like Jay Rod, like Dawson.  Not many would turn down an offer to stay in the Champ, Albion fan or not. In fact, I'm struggling to think of anyone in the modern era who's turned down a chance to play in the Prem. Club loyalty is now very hard to find.
If the tables are turned and say Watford are in the Champ, why can't we profit from that?
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: CL3MO on February 16, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
It’s frustrating that we only conceded one shot on target, yet lose 2 goals. It seems that the opposition don’t have to do a lot to score past us. Having said that, the blame for yesterday can not be attributed to SJ in any way.

What I don’t like - and I’ve noticed it for some time - is that he walks off the pitch at the end of the game straight away. No claps. Nothing. Even yesterday, one Forest player was near him but he was off like a shot.

I can’t blame him for being annoyed at ‘some’ of the criticism he’s received this season, but you’d like a bit more back from him, especially after home games.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 16, 2020, 08:33:31 PM
It’s frustrating that we only conceded one shot on target, yet lose 2 goals. It seems that the opposition don’t have to do a lot to score past us. Having said that, the blame for yesterday can not be attributed to SJ in any way.

What I don’t like - and I’ve noticed it for some time - is that he walks off the pitch at the end of the game straight away. No claps. Nothing. Even yesterday, one Forest player was near him but he was off like a shot.

I can’t blame him for being annoyed at ‘some’ of the criticism he’s received this season, but you’d like a bit more back from him, especially after home games.

I don't blame him a bit, most of it is way over the top and unjustified, look at the criticism from this weekend, no way his fault, but the usual criticism comes his way. I actually don't think he is good enough for the Premier League, but overall, he has done an okay job, in some areas he is very good (distribution and reflex saves) in other areas he is weaker (command of his area and from corners), he hasn't let us down, but I think with some of the criticism, we have let him down.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: NJS on February 16, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
For Forest's first goal that low centre was nearer him than Bartley.  I think he could have easily cut it out.  his game against Millwall proves that he's not bad for the Championship but I would prefer someone who wants to boss his six yard area.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on February 16, 2020, 09:31:00 PM
Is he great? No
Is he good ? Debatable
Is he rubbish ? No

Is he at his level? Probably
Will constantly slagging him off help him improve? No
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 17, 2020, 12:36:49 AM
Is he great? No
Is he good ? Debatable
Is he rubbish ? No

Is he at his level? Probably
Will constantly slagging him off help him improve? No


Is he great: No
Is he good: No
Is he rubbish: Yes


Why didn't we think of this sooner. Succinct.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: Albionic on February 17, 2020, 09:54:51 AM

Is he great: No
Is he good: No
Is he rubbish: Yes


Why didn't we think of this sooner. Succinct.

I feel a poll coming on, (ooer missus !!)
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: WBAlbion123 on February 17, 2020, 10:18:58 AM
I’d never want Foster here again.

Just when we needed some loyalty, he couldn’t wait to bugger off.

Gives it the big Albion fan in the media and then couldn’t wait to leave.

Leave him be.

I keep seeing this narrative of Foster the 'bad guy' but I don't believe it to be accurate. Let's look at the facts he was 35 when leaving us and during the 2018/19 season would be turning 36, he'd also suffered multiple serious knee injuries in his career (which he'd alluded to in the Tai Schierenberg documentary and said they were taking their toll). I believe the club considered these factors and concluded he was a serious risk. I can only assume he would have been on high wages as he was a senior figure and mainstay of our team so it doesn't take much common sense to see why the club acted the way they did. From what I understand (have a friend who has spoken to Foster) the club actually told Foster that he would not be their number 1 and they were signing a younger goalkeeper.

For many people Foster is the best goalkeeper we've had in the modern era and I share this view. He's been involved in some of our most successful results and league campaigns in recent times so you can see how this news came as a bit of a kick in the teeth to Foster. If you take the time to read about Foster outside of football he comes across as a family man and an all round top bloke. I believe he was settled in the area and I think given enough encouragement would have saw out the rest of his career with us.

To date the decision to replace Foster with Johnstone has looked a poor one and in my opinion we have massively downgraded in the goalkeeping department. If promoted I believe this is an area we will need to address.
Title: Re: Sam Johnstone
Post by: mulliganstired on February 17, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
For Forest's first goal that low centre was nearer him than Bartley.  I think he could have easily cut it out.  his game against Millwall proves that he's not bad for the Championship but I would prefer someone who wants to boss his six yard area.
I agree, its not just that he doesn't come for crosses, but he doesn't seem to be in charge of the 6 yard box, players with their back to goal need to be yelled at and told when to leave it, hoof it, man on, whatever, it doesn't look to me like he does that.

He's a decent championship stopped though IMHO.