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Off Topic => Non Sports/ Non Politics Board => Topic started by: tuamigos on April 15, 2018, 01:35:43 PM

Title: Why no political debates
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2018, 01:35:43 PM
Sensible question, why is the debate on Syria cut short for being political?
There is a debate about a terrorist attack in Germany, Doctors Surguries, gun control in America, waste of public funds all with political overtones.
Is there a set criteria for allowing debate or is it down to the control of individual moderators?
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Nathan on April 15, 2018, 01:49:28 PM
Sensible question, why is the debate on Syria cut short for being political?
There is a debate about a terrorist attack in Germany, Doctors Surguries, gun control in America, waste of public funds all with political overtones.
Is there a set criteria for allowing debate or is it down to the control of individual moderators?

Exactly. Any discussion on current affairs can be classed as political in one way or another, even if discussing the price of chips. Another example of unnecessary censorship from the easily offended, politically correct thought police.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 15, 2018, 04:38:40 PM
Like it or not Politics affect us all some quite profoundly.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: tommcneill on April 15, 2018, 06:27:30 PM
Exactly. Any discussion on current affairs can be classed as political in one way or another, even if discussing the price of chips. Another example of unnecessary censorship from the easily offended, politically correct thought police.

Or we have to treat people like children because they simply can act like adults and debate without name calling etc....

Its been banned for a reason and its nothing to do with censorship and all to do with a lack of respect for peoples opinions on both sides
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2018, 06:35:32 PM
Or we have to treat people like children because they simply can act like adults and debate without name calling etc....

Its been banned for a reason and its nothing to do with censorship and all to do with a lack of respect for peoples opinions on both sides

But you get that in every debate, even by professional people.
Might have missed it but I didn't see any name calling or lack of respect on the Syria thread.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2018, 06:38:02 PM
Because we are not allowing any political talk on WestBrom.com, we have enough to do in our own lives to not have to spend more time policing this section than the rest of the forum put together, decision was made, a notification put as a sticky and any topic that turns slightly political will be removed.

Its a football forum first and foremost and too many people were not bothering with other sections and reducing any political thread to petty squabbling so it went and ain't coming back.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2018, 06:39:48 PM
Exactly. Any discussion on current affairs can be classed as political in one way or another, even if discussing the price of chips. Another example of unnecessary censorship from the easily offended, politically correct thought police.

Its got sweet fa to any politically correct thought police, more to do with the fact we have lives away from here and better things to do than referee childish squabbling between those who should know better and cannot respect others have a different opinion.

Its a football forum first and foremost and thats how it will stay
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2018, 06:44:39 PM
Its got sweet fa to any politically correct thought police, more to do with the fact we have lives away from here and better things to do than referee childish squabbling between those who should know better and cannot respect others have a different opinion.

Its a football forum first and foremost and thats how it will stay

Your missing my original question Oldbury.
There is political content in the non political segment.
So is the removal of topics to do with individual response rather than content
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 15, 2018, 06:50:30 PM
Your missing my original question Oldbury.
There is political content in the non political segment.
So is the removal of topics to do with individual response rather than content

I haven't missed it, anything that turns political will be removed, that topic turned political so it went.

It stayed long enough with all talk keeping clear of politics, any topic that is discussed with no politics can stay but at the end of the day this is a football forum and any other section is purely an extension of the main forum and should not be the reason why some come on here which is what was happening, too many coming on purely to talk politics with no interest or very little in the main reason for this website and too much of our time moderating this section purely because grown men cannot discuss things like adults.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 15, 2018, 08:34:31 PM
More forums should follow your lead, frankly.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: divinewind on April 16, 2018, 01:42:18 PM
Football and other sports can become politiical, such as the WC in Russia.

What is it ok to mention then?
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Atomic on April 16, 2018, 01:51:56 PM
Football and other sports can become politiical, such as the WC in Russia.



Not to mention the Safe Standing debate.

Sorry Oldbury (Phil) just saying. Even ticket pricing can become political. Where do you draw the line?
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: tuamigos on April 16, 2018, 02:53:32 PM
Not to mention half the threads in the 'non political' section.

Like I've already said, Terrorist Attack in Germany, Doctors Surgeries, Gun Laws in America all politically potent and still on.
From what I can gather it's down to individuals behaviour towards each other and not so much to do with content.
But disagreements happen on all the other boards as well.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 16, 2018, 03:05:07 PM
But disagreements happen on all the other boards as well.
Yes and they're like a children's playground rather than being a platform for rational and respectful debate, so I'm happy with the stance taken on westbrom.com, which provides a relative haven from all the pathetic nonsense elsewhere.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: tuamigos on April 16, 2018, 03:40:37 PM
Yes and they're like a children's playground rather than being a platform for rational and respectful debate, so I'm happy with the stance taken on wetbrom.com, which provides a relative haven from all the pathetic nonsense elsewhere.

I give up  ::)
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 16, 2018, 04:58:07 PM
Join a politics forum if you want debate political matters, simple as that
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: caravanc58 on April 16, 2018, 07:49:01 PM
political debate was killing this site some days, it's a football forum but sometimes there wasn't any posts at all except about brexit.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 16, 2018, 08:23:21 PM
political debate was killing this site some days, it's a football forum but sometimes there wasn't any posts at all except about brexit.
Yes but you "had" the choice to read it or not. No one forced you.
Sites like this have declined massively in the last 5 years or so. Although I prefer them.
Ultimately all the threads on here can end up being political as that is how laws and issues get resolved or not.
If it is a football forum then fine that's what I use it for and it is very good.
Would be best just football only. As that is the owners preference.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Adder on April 16, 2018, 09:31:51 PM
It was actually depressing attempting to find the football threads in amongst the biased titles of the political threads - the forum is a better place without the political sparring. (still depressing mind  ::))
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 16, 2018, 11:50:03 PM

Not to mention the Safe Standing debate.

Sorry Oldbury (Phil) just saying. Even ticket pricing can become political. Where do you draw the line?

Difference is that the Safe Standing stuff and even ticket prices are connected to the whole reason for the forum being here.

Grown men having hissy fits and throwing insults around because someone has the audacity to disagree with them is pathetic and takes up too much time for us which can be spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 16, 2018, 11:52:19 PM
Not to mention half the threads in the 'non political' section.

Like I've already said, Terrorist Attack in Germany, Doctors Surgeries, Gun Laws in America all politically potent and still on.
From what I can gather it's down to individuals behaviour towards each other and not so much to do with content.
But disagreements happen on all the other boards as well.

I would personally be happy to remove any non football topic from the forum. As is it is we have agreed to leave this section here as long as topics are not turned political. The other alternative is if people are not happy then we remove it fully and problem is solved.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Albionic on April 17, 2018, 12:25:15 AM
I applaud the stance on non-politics for what its worth.
Supposed to be a site for Albion fans to discuss things footy and sometimes it descended into a playground much more amicable now "politics" has gone.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: SmethDan on April 17, 2018, 01:17:07 AM
My tuppence worth.

I have absolutely no problem with political threads per se as like others I can choose whether to open them or not. But I do have a problem with poorly informed/formed opinions. Especially when ignorance, laziness, lack of personal development or my personal fuse lighter condescension leads to pointless slagging matches where the focus and reasoned debate is often lost. Nobody gains anything in these instances apart from petty, personal one-upmanship. Such point scoring leads to bad feeling which can and at times has been carried over into other threads.

Now don't get me wrong, I've had posts edited and posts deleted on a number of topics. Generally speaking I haven't always seen why and will admit to a certain amount of frustration, especially when I'd have liked to stand my corner. However, the site provides a PM facility which could be utilized for this purpose. Further, the mods do a very good job on here so I've never questioned why said posts have been edited or deleted.

While I appreciate why others enjoy the back and forth of political 'debate', I think this is a great and free facility which shouldn't be abused. Sadly it often is. As such although I don't really have a problem with political threads per se, I have little care for them either and as such I'm in complete agreement with both the mods and the site provider in this instance.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 17, 2018, 07:26:06 AM


A lot of the politics threads where just recycling the same arguments and there was no real new discussions being put forward, instead they were descending in to snide remarks being made. Right decision to remove them. As others have said plenty of other boards about where politics can be discussed.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: baggie53 on April 21, 2018, 11:53:03 PM
Has anyone else noticed that people who used to post all the time on the Brexit, and the "Corbyn and divisive left" (or whatever it was called) have disappeared now?

Shows how much interest they had in the Albion
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 22, 2018, 12:02:33 AM
Has anyone else noticed that people who used to post all the time on the Brexit, and the "Corbyn and divisive left" (or whatever it was called) have disappeared now?

Shows how much interest they had in the Albion


Not Really. There were as many mad lefties and remainers on here who have done one too...




Oops delete the thread lads...
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: kc56wba on April 22, 2018, 02:04:26 PM
I'm still here.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 22, 2018, 02:09:50 PM
Same. I frequently see my fellow comrades posting on Albion matters.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: BoingFlyer on April 22, 2018, 03:18:03 PM

Not Really. There were as many mad lefties and remainers on here who have done one too...




Oops delete the thread lads...

and this is why we can't have nice things  ::)
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: KYA on April 22, 2018, 06:24:20 PM
The politics section was closed, fair enough I still read the football sections but don't feel its correct to comment on say a players performance if you haven't been to a game it would be posting just for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Barrington on April 22, 2018, 07:54:26 PM
I enjoyed the political type debates.

It's easy for people to say ' Go and find a forum on political debate'.

However, I thought it was quite unique to have commentary from quite a local group and see their differing views on a wider spectrum. It's a shame that this opportunity has been lost, for whatever reason. I gained some good information from people on this forum, and I'd like to think that occasionally I made a post of a little interest.

I know that the mod's have a stance on this so I fully understand. I hope one day in the future they may consider having a conversation about possibly allowing political stuff in the future. I think it's useful.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 22, 2018, 08:27:13 PM
Echo those sentiments Barrington

I feel like there was a good mix of right/left wing and centrists on this site, along with a wide mix of ages and economic/cultural backgrounds.

In real life I live in a bit of a millennial university educated snowflakey bubble so it was enjoyable to
talk/debate with people with differing views to my inner friendship circle

But hey ho I understand the mods decision and whats done is done now.

P.S - The reason I hardly ever comment on the main football pages is because a combination of West Brom & the premiership has really started to bore me to death over the last 2/3 years

Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Barrington on April 22, 2018, 08:39:59 PM
P.S - The reason I hardly ever comment on the main football pages is because a combination of West Brom & the premiership has really started to bore me to death over the last 2/3 years

That's the same for me, and I'd guess a lot of others. There's only so many times you can state the pointlessness of existing in the premier league playing boring football with no hope of ever progressing before you utterly bore yourself and others. There's not a lot to say most of the time.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: KYA on April 22, 2018, 09:35:07 PM
Ditto the premiership and football now bore me to death this feeling has grown over a number of years, a combination of just making the numbers up players on grotesque wages and the elite getting ever farther away.Football used to be fun not anymore.
The England team also bore me to tears watching a bunch of overpaid madonnas giving lifeless performances.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: mulliganstired on May 02, 2018, 07:54:24 PM
I miss the squabbling on here - I feel like I learned a lot more about Brexit than I would have done by just remoaning with other remoaners, but I can see why the mods had had enough of holding the ring and trying to keep the peace!
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: tuamigos on May 04, 2018, 02:26:08 PM
I enjoyed the political type debates.

It's easy for people to say ' Go and find a forum on political debate'.

However, I thought it was quite unique to have commentary from quite a local group and see their differing views on a wider spectrum. It's a shame that this opportunity has been lost, for whatever reason. I gained some good information from people on this forum, and I'd like to think that occasionally I made a post of a little interest.

I know that the mod's have a stance on this so I fully understand. I hope one day in the future they may consider having a conversation about possibly allowing political stuff in the future. I think it's useful.

There's arguments on all the boards to a degree.
I don't see it ever coming back as we now live in a PC bubble where you can't say anything for fear of offending someone.
Just on a side note, I don't think I've ever been offended. What happens?
Do they take you off to A & E?
Put the defibrillator on you to shock you back into the real world?
Put a plaster on the offended part?
Put you on a course of anti offensive pills?
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: MarkW on May 04, 2018, 03:46:25 PM
There's arguments on all the boards to a degree.
I don't see it ever coming back as we now live in a PC bubble where you can't say anything for fear of offending someone.
Just on a side note, I don't think I've ever been offended. What happens?
Do they take you off to A & E?
Put the defibrillator on you to shock you back into the real world?
Put a plaster on the offended part?
Put you on a course of anti offensive pills?

Being PC has got nothing to do with it.

This board was being used disproportionately by some members - we're an Albion board first and foremost. Also, this board took up a good proportion of our time as mods sorting out petty squabbles that would go round in circles.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 04, 2018, 07:25:41 PM
I went on an AED course this morning, the instructor, 2 paramedics and 3 police officers said that there was too much PC about. Of those, 3 people said that there were too many wimps worried about offending people....They actually used the words "WIMPS". What does that say?
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: tuamigos on May 04, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
I went on an AED course this morning, the instructor, 2 paramedics and 3 police officers said that there was too much PC about. Of those, 3 people said that there were too many wimps worried about offending people....They actually used the words "WIMPS". What does that say?

That's what we're becoming a nation of wimps.
Too many people ready to play the PC card if they're ending up on the wrong end of an argument.
PC and Elf & Safety, the scourge of the 21st century.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 04, 2018, 10:43:57 PM
To repeat what Mark has already said, not sure how many times it has to be said or how to say it until it gets through so here goes.

IT HAS GOT FECK ALL TO DO WITH BEING PC OR ANY OF THAT S***e !!!

It has gone because we spend more time moderating this section of what is a FOOTBALL forum as grown men cannot discuss/ debate/ talk to each other in a civil manner and too many people were coming on to this section with no interest at all in the discussion about the club. You want to spend more time talking politics then i'm sure I can find another forum for you to join where people can argue the toss all night, slag each other off, insult each other, threaten each other the lot and you know what I couldn't give a toss but on here it ain't happening.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 05, 2018, 09:36:39 AM
To repeat what Mark has already said, not sure how many times it has to be said or how to say it until it gets through so here goes.

IT HAS GOT FECK ALL TO DO WITH BEING PC OR ANY OF THAT S***e !!!

It has gone because we spend more time moderating this section of what is a FOOTBALL forum as grown men cannot discuss/ debate/ talk to each other in a civil manner and too many people were coming on to this section with no interest at all in the discussion about the club. You want to spend more time talking politics then i'm sure I can find another forum for you to join where people can argue the toss all night, slag each other off, insult each other, threaten each other the lot and you know what I couldn't give a toss but on here it ain't happening.
It's called Facebook  ;)
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 05, 2018, 11:40:13 AM
I went on an AED course this morning, the instructor, 2 paramedics and 3 police officers said that there was too much PC about. Of those, 3 people said that there were too many wimps worried about offending people....They actually used the words "WIMPS". What does that say?
Whilst accepting that what I'm about to say is generalising a lot, it says to me that too many people are too accepting of the steady decline in moral standards in all walks of life. Showing kindness and compassion is too widely regarded as a weakness rather than a strength.

It's become the norm on Internet forums and social media to mock, criticise and verbally abuse others for their actions and opinions, even where those being treated badly are actually trying to do good. It's a very sad state of affairs.

Until all of this changes (and I don't think it will), the world will simply steadily become a worse and worse place to live.
Title: Re: Why no political debates
Post by: KYA on May 05, 2018, 05:36:16 PM
Fully agree about PC and all the other stuff that has slowly crept into society like a disease over the last 40yrs, for me the world is a far more unpleasant and miserable place now than 40yrs ago it was far from perfect but people got along better in my humble opinion.