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Title: Darren Moore
Post by: Atomic on April 02, 2018, 12:27:06 PM
Good luck Big Dave.

Don't think you get an easy ride though. I want to see youngsters like Sam Field and Oli Burke given starts and some of the old dead wood resigned to where they should be, bench at best.

I'm certainly not expecting Big Dave to pull up any trees with this lot but I want to see reasoning behind the decisions he makes and the youngsters being helped in their progression.

Everyone loves Big Dave so at least a small cloud has been lifted from over the place.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: swad35 on April 02, 2018, 12:32:00 PM
Goodluck big Dave. Can’t go wrong really, if he gets some results then that will do him and us no harm, if we lose last few games then that’s just fault of Pardew and Pulis. Might take some pressure of him and allow him to try some of the youngsters out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: koren on April 02, 2018, 12:32:20 PM
No pressure for him as going down is inevitable.
Hope he can choose the players who have passion to play for us and bring some freshness for the club.
Field should starts all remaining games in my opinion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiebof on April 02, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
Real difficult task for him in many ways as confidence is low, the squad is clearly unbalanced and with our position, there isn't any hope or motivation left in the squad by the looks of things. I'd also say that being part of a relatively small coaching staff under the Parted tenure, the players may even have tuned out of listening to Big Dave even.

On the other hand, he probably can't do much worse and could get some easy wins (moral victories with the fans, not actual football matches) by giving the youth a chance and playing a side with more balance than the back 5 and 2 holding midfielders we saw on Saturday.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 02, 2018, 01:15:52 PM
Good luck Big Dave
I hope he gets a few good results just to lift his spirits
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on April 02, 2018, 01:28:23 PM
Fed to the lions or crucifixion?

Good luck big man, you're going to need it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dan on April 02, 2018, 01:34:33 PM
It's a pretty decent opportunity for him really, if he wants to go into management its a good experience. We're not only down but pretty much ensured to finish bottom and having lost 9 in a row nothing is going to reflect on him. At worst we carry on doing badly which isn't his fault, or we pick up a couple of decent results to end the season which reflects well on him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Avonbaggie on April 02, 2018, 01:37:42 PM
Maybe they want DM to play some of the youngsters so we have a better understanding of who might be playing in the Championship next season... No point picking the same old wasters
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 02, 2018, 01:40:22 PM
Maybe they want DM to play some of the youngsters so we have a better understanding of who might be playing in the Championship next season... No point picking the same old wasters
I doubt it but Big Dave Will Probably Tried out to See if they can get any of the Long Gone Fans Back to the Hawthorns and Get behind the team again now. I for one will be starting to Watch MOTD to get back behind us and See A Glimpse of Our Future Squad in the Championship So Lets Get Behind Him and The Lads COYB Lets Restore Sum Pride.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on April 02, 2018, 02:19:46 PM
Good luck big man,your going to need it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on April 02, 2018, 02:28:35 PM
Opportunity to put name in frame, hope he changes first team eleven. Good luck
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: hardtobeat on April 02, 2018, 02:36:00 PM
Wish the big fella all the best will be interesting to see how much he is able to change both tactically and in terms of selection. Just wonder who is left to help him on the training pitch this week ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: alex1 on April 02, 2018, 02:38:29 PM
The board may want to have a look at Big Dave for the last 6 games, and see if he's suitable for the job. If they don't appoint him, they can always say, it was only a temporary appointment.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on April 02, 2018, 03:39:18 PM
If you get 1 win in the final 6 games you will be our most successful manager all season :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 02, 2018, 05:54:02 PM
If you get 1 win in the final 6 games you will be our most successful manager all season :)

HAHA!!!

My spirits unbelievably are lifted. Best of luck Big Dave, try and enjoy it, you know we are all behind you. You're Albion through and through and it's the only bit of joy I've felt all season. Go on big man.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 02, 2018, 05:56:50 PM
I haven't wanted him to be lumbered with it because of what happened to the guy Wolves appointed after Mick left. Think he stepped up from coach to oversee 12 games without a win.

I'd hate to see a similar thing happen here.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2018, 06:03:04 PM
If you get 1 win in the final 6 games you will be our most successful manager all season :)


He wouldn't.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: gerry m on April 02, 2018, 06:04:10 PM
Cannot do any worse than AP good luck Big Dave!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on April 02, 2018, 06:07:53 PM

He wouldn't.

Mogadon !
Good luck Dave, take it as a free hit NO ONE will knock you for having a go, now its much too late!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2018, 06:18:25 PM
Mogadon !
Good luck Dave, take it as a free hit NO ONE will knock you for having a go, now its much too late!


If he also got 2 draws however...  8)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Sted1990 on April 02, 2018, 06:21:50 PM
Good luck big Dave but you have a lot to prove having assisted the last 2 managers you have to take some responsibility. I hope you get us a few wins to gear us up for the championship.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on April 02, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
Coaches are instructed by the management
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Sted1990 on April 02, 2018, 06:36:33 PM
Coaches are instructed by the management

Downing and Kiely got a disgusting amount of stick on here.
Downing is 10 Times the coach of many current and past coaches.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2018, 06:40:26 PM
Downing and Kiely got a disgusting amount of stick on here.
Downing is 10 Times the coach of many current and past coaches.


Downing got stick for undermining Pepe Mel. Nothing to do with ability it was his character that was found wanting.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Sted1990 on April 02, 2018, 06:42:57 PM

Downing got stick for undermining Pepe Mel. Nothing to do with ability it was his character that was found wanting.

Thank god he did jump in, do you not remember the Pepe Mel Lugano high line. Another manager out of his depth.

Huge summer ahead, we have to make the correct appointment.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: The Black Pearl on April 02, 2018, 06:46:28 PM
Good luck Darren, just getting back a little pride will be an achievement.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2018, 06:52:13 PM
Thank god he did jump in, do you not remember the Pepe Mel Lugano high line. Another manager out of his depth.

Huge summer ahead, we have to make the correct appointment.


No. It wasn't his job, he should have been supporting Mel to get his ideas across. A crass individual.


Back to Big Dave I wish him nothing but the best. 6 wins out of 6 should do it!  ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on April 02, 2018, 07:05:33 PM
Wish Moore all the best. These games are still vital in my eyes regardless of the fact that we are going down. We need to turn the mood so that we finish with at least some pride. Bagging a few points would set us up well for next season. We all saw how the form from the end of one season can affect the next...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Sted1990 on April 02, 2018, 07:10:30 PM

No. It wasn't his job, he should have been supporting Mel to get his ideas across. A crass individual.


Back to Big Dave I wish him nothing but the best. 6 wins out of 6 should do it!  ;D

You know him personally then? To know what kind of individual he is and what is intentions were. To me he wanted the best for our club.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on April 02, 2018, 07:33:14 PM
If we lose every single game but approach them like Big Dave did as a player I'll be happy - all I want to see from now until May is players actually trying.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 02, 2018, 07:39:18 PM
If we lose every single game but approach them like Big Dave did as a player I'll be happy - all I want to see from now until May is players actually trying.

Spot on. Big Dave IS Albion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 02, 2018, 08:19:06 PM
He deserves better than this mob, can't see them responding to be honest. If they continue in the same couldn't care less vein, and disrespect a club legend and genuinely good bloke, then they really are scum. Unfortunately that's exactly what I expect.
Hope I'm wrong and Big Dave does enough to throw his hat in the ring. Would like nothing more than to see him in charge and successful for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boot2006 on April 02, 2018, 08:39:43 PM
Good luck "Big Dave'!!
6 wins from 6 and nothing less...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on April 02, 2018, 09:49:53 PM
Already looking forward to hearing his first interview.

Nothing but 100% of our backing, good luck Big Dave.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 02, 2018, 10:04:04 PM
He deserves better than this mob, can't see them responding to be honest. If they continue in the same couldn't care less vein, and disrespect a club legend and genuinely good bloke, then they really are scum. Unfortunately that's exactly what I expect.
Hope I'm wrong and Big Dave does enough to throw his hat in the ring. Would like nothing more than to see him in charge and successful for the foreseeable future.
If his nick name lives up to him as a Player I bloody well help he can say to these Useless Arseholes Along With Foster, Brunt, Dawson, G mace, Rincon and some of the youth That this how Albion used to be this is what you've turned it into Now If you give me the Same Gutless Performances there are to be changes when our new boss comes in or before the Season is out. I'm in charge your not.
Restore Sum Pride Darren Mate
Strip Evans of Captain make Brunt it please.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 17GD on April 02, 2018, 10:34:40 PM
He can't really lose can he? We're going down, so he won't get the blame when it does happen, but just suppose he pulls off one of the greatest of miracles, he will be an even bigger legend than he is now.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 02, 2018, 10:43:45 PM
He should be on the blower to sneekes, superbob, Darren Bradley et al
Get the crowd fired for starters

Then pick a team that fly out of the blocks and with a point to prove
Gmac,krykowiac,field, Burke,Yacob all in there

Livermore, Evans,myhill,Barry. Not in the squad but made to sit on the bench

On the bench I'd have chadli,Sturridge and Leko ......you can get yourselves the move/career you want , just give me 6 matches at 100%

We beat Swansea 3-0 ......then ..
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2018, 11:21:38 PM
All I hope is that Darren can restore a bit of dignity before the end of the season. He goes into this as an Albion legend and no matter what the outcome he will leave it undiminished. The Albion fans won't turn on "Big Dave" but those players had better show him a bit more respect than they did Pardew otherwise things will get ugly.

We aren't going to win 6 on the spin but a bit of pride wouldn't go amiss.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 02, 2018, 11:27:09 PM
All I hope is that Darren can restore a bit of dignity before the end of the season. He goes into this as an Albion legend and no matter what the outcome he will leave it undiminished. The Albion fans won't turn on "Big Dave" but those players had better show him a bit more respect than they did Pardew otherwise things will get ugly.

We aren't going to win 6 on the spin but a bit of pride wouldn't go amiss.

It would leave the board with an extremely difficult decision if we did win 6 on the spin.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on April 02, 2018, 11:29:33 PM
It would leave the board with an extremely difficult decision if we did win 6 on the spin.

Yeah which stand to name after him  and where to put the solid gold statue that he would deserve.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 02, 2018, 11:30:05 PM
Feel a bit sorry for Moore to be honest, only appointed first team coach when Pardew came and I don't see anyone around to help him with any experience. Hope it goes well for him but if it doesn't I hope no-one gets on his back and the players get a bit of what is deserved as this squad have seen off two managers this season (admittedly one who should have gone at the end of last season and one who should never have been appointed at all) so have played a massive part in the way this season has gone and need to have a good look at themselves in the mirror.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 02, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
Yeah which stand to name after him  and where to put the solid gold statue that he would deserve.


Brilliant post actually laughed out loud.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie38 on April 03, 2018, 05:50:24 AM
We could lose every game between now and the end of the season with Big Dave in charge and it wouldn't change a thing with regards to how we admire him and everything he has done for the club. Hopefully seeing him in the dugout will get the fans on side a little bit and give him a taster of first team management. I wish him nothing but the very best of luck.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 03, 2018, 08:39:56 AM
Feel a bit sorry for Moore to be honest, only appointed first team coach when Pardew came and I don't see anyone around to help him with any experience. Hope it goes well for him but if it doesn't I hope no-one gets on his back and the players get a bit of what is deserved as this squad have seen off two managers this season (admittedly one who should have gone at the end of last season and one who should never have been appointed at all) so have played a massive part in the way this season has gone and need to have a good look at themselves in the mirror.
Maybe Brunt could help him
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on April 03, 2018, 08:47:57 AM
He can't really lose can he? We're going down, so he won't get the blame when it does happen, but just suppose he pulls off one of the greatest of miracles, he will be an even bigger legend than he is now.

Agree with you. Nothing is expected of him, but if he can give us a bit of pride and self respect back then that would be good. Realistically he could win two games and he would end the season with a better win ratio that the previous two clowns......and that will do for me.

He is a legend anyway.....
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Trigger on April 03, 2018, 09:21:01 AM
Maybe we can see if megson can come back and support him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kc56wba on April 03, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
Good Luck Darren you are going to need it mate. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on April 03, 2018, 11:44:24 AM
Whatever happens the next six games Big Dave will always be a legend and has more pride and integrity than a lot of our squad put together.

Sadly i have no faith in the bunch of wasters doing anything different to what they did under Pulis and Pardew, i expect us to lose with a whimper with little or no pride shown, the rot is set in too deep and i expect them to let Big Dave down with gutless performances.

Fortunately i think the fans have now seen through them, we know we are going down and i hope as we now entering a new era with hopefully lots of the mercenaries gone, hopefully the support will be funny, positive and let the decent ones in our squad as well as Big Dave know the respect we have for them.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: dan7heman on April 03, 2018, 07:33:02 PM
If they can’t try for this fella, then they should be ashamed of themselves. Just show us you give the tiniest sh!7.

All the best Big Dave, love you to earn the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Greenock Baggie on April 03, 2018, 10:56:20 PM
This poor sod is on a hiding to nothing......do we really think that this bunch who have no self respect, no respect for 2 experienced managers.....are going to have any respect for someone they'd probably never heard of before coming to WBA who has no managerial experience at all........and bear in mind these 'players' know they are already relegated....despite what the head-in-the-sand may think !!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on April 03, 2018, 11:14:42 PM
This poor sod is on a hiding to nothing......do we really think that this bunch who have no self respect, no respect for 2 experienced managers.....are going to have any respect for someone they'd probably never heard of before coming to WBA who has no managerial experience at all........and bear in mind these 'players' know they are already relegated....despite what the head-in-the-sand may think !!!
He could not pick said players for starters
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Greenock Baggie on April 03, 2018, 11:20:27 PM
He could not pick said players for starters
We'd be playing 5 a side if he didnt !!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on April 03, 2018, 11:29:49 PM
We'd be playing 5 a side if he didnt !!!
Lol, not quite that bad. Would certainly leave out Barry, Livermore, Myhill, Evans, and then pick whoever he likes and whoever seems up for it. I think most of us at this stage would be happy with some genuine sweat breaking effort. All the fans will be 100 percent behind big Dave. He should ascertain who really wants to play for us next season and pick the side from them.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Wigmore on April 03, 2018, 11:48:33 PM
This poor sod is on a hiding to nothing......do we really think that this bunch who have no self respect, no respect for 2 experienced managers.....are going to have any respect for someone they'd probably never heard of before coming to WBA who has no managerial experience at all........and bear in mind these 'players' know they are already relegated....despite what the head-in-the-sand may think !!!
Why have you tarred all of the squad with the same brush?
What a sweeping statement, "...have no self respect"!
I'm confident that some of the players, including some of the 'old lags' and the kids will respond to DM.
The young players will know him very well, and I doubt there is any lack of respect in those relationships.
I fully understand that the club is in a parlous position, but not everything should be viewed through such a pessimistic lens.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 04, 2018, 12:16:10 AM
If anyone can galvanise team spirit it's Big Dave.

I don't give a monkey's now about results, it's over anyway. I just hope DM enjoys his time to the end of the season and learns some stuff. Bloke could do no wrong in my eyes anyway.

Boing Boing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie38 on April 04, 2018, 05:27:46 AM
I smiled watching the footage of Big Dave taking training that the club uploaded to Twitter yesterday. Honestly couldn't be happier for the bloke and after seeing nothing but dinosaurs in the dugout this season it's refreshing to see one of our own who has the club's best interests at heart there.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 04, 2018, 06:26:21 AM
I'm sure Big Dave will give the last six games his heart and soul.
No point in being concerned over the results, I hope he can get a couple of results between now and the end of the season just to give him a boost
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: johnny Cash on April 04, 2018, 08:55:06 AM
I feel sorry for Big Dave getting left in this situation.

Clearly a lovely bloke, but a manager he’s not. Just hope it doesn’t tarnish his reputation and memories of him as a player here with folk.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: nick_wba on April 04, 2018, 09:05:07 AM
I feel sorry for Big Dave getting left in this situation.

Clearly a lovely bloke, but a manager he’s not. Just hope it doesn’t tarnish his reputation and memories of him as a player here with folk.

On what basis have you come to that conclusion?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Wigmore on April 04, 2018, 10:20:30 AM
I feel sorry for Big Dave getting left in this situation.

Clearly a lovely bloke, but a manager he’s not. Just hope it doesn’t tarnish his reputation and memories of him as a player here with folk.

How on earth can his reputation be tarnished?? We all know how he came to be given the role. We all know who got us in this mess, and it isn't him!
I think you should head up to the Palm training ground and tell him to his face he is not a manager. Good luck! ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on April 04, 2018, 12:31:45 PM
Do I think the squad who couldn't "do it" on Cyrille Regis day will perform to show respect for Big Dave ??

sadly not !

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Greenock Baggie on April 04, 2018, 01:25:44 PM
Do I think the squad who couldn't "do it" on Cyrille Regis day will perform to show respect for Big Dave ??

sadly not !
My thoughts exactly. Yes it may seem pessimistic but I've watched us over the last 2 year and had any optimism kicked out of me. !! I wish Big Dave all the best because he is going to need it !!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 04, 2018, 01:29:51 PM
If anyone can galvanise team spirit it's Big Dave.
We'll have to see. Looking at it dispassionately, it doesn't necessarily follow that his wholeheartedness as a player will translate into him being a great coach. Having no meaningful help on the coaching front will make it even more difficult for him as well.

I'll be fascinated to see who he picks for the Swansea game, what tactics he uses and how the side as a whole responds.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on April 04, 2018, 02:20:54 PM
We're into damage limitation stage and Big Dave is there in my view to appease fans as much as he's there to shepherd the team to the end of the season.

Big Dave was an inspirational player but he has the sort of task even some of the World's best coaches would struggle to improve. It's not as thought he can make a few tackles or headers to raise the fans and he's relying on players who've shown they're not @rsed and are likely already looking to their next clubs/ way to maintain their extortionate wages.

I honestly struggle to see this team picking up more than 3 points in the remaining games (three hard won draws rather than 1 win).

I'd love to be surprised..........
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MarkW on April 04, 2018, 02:31:30 PM
Like many others have said, he will have the fans backing. There's only one Big Dave afterall.

My hope is his experience working with the youth setup means he will put his trust in them. We have nothing to lose by giving them game-time and it will be good experience for years ahead, regardless of whether they make it with us or leave.

Despite the current crop coming through supposedly being the best we've produced so far, only Berahino has broken into the first team regularly. If you don't give players chances on the pitch, they won't improve and we, the fans, will always be in the dark as to their ability.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 04, 2018, 04:05:26 PM
We're into damage limitation stage and Big Dave is there in my view to appease fans as much as he's there to shepherd the team to the end of the season.

Big Dave was an inspirational player but he has the sort of task even some of the World's best coaches would struggle to improve. It's not as thought he can make a few tackles or headers to raise the fans and he's relying on players who've shown they're not @rsed and are likely already looking to their next clubs/ way to maintain their extortionate wages.

I honestly struggle to see this team picking up more than 3 points in the remaining games (three hard won draws rather than 1 win).

I'd love to be surprised..........
This is the only logic to sacking Pardew now, they could sense the fans were turning, or staying away altogether, and were trying to keep the peace. Could backfire though as, whilst Big Dave will galvanise the fans, if the players disrespect him by turning up with their "couldn't give a sh!te" attitude, then it will be them that they turn on. Could get ugly.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on April 04, 2018, 05:34:32 PM
Despite the current crop coming through supposedly being the best we've produced so far, only Berahino has broken into the first team regularly. If you don't give players chances on the pitch, they won't improve and we, the fans, will always be in the dark as to their ability.

Now we're in the Championship we should see more of the younger players.  It's a lot tougher trying to break into a mid table Prem side than it is a mid table Championship side.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 05, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
Question:

If he wins 4/5 of our remaining fixtures would you back him for the job full time?

A mate of mine is a Bournemouth fan and is completely bought into the way Bournemouth do things, and that is filling the club with 'Bournemouth people' all with one ethos. They have a one club philosophy and he expects that Howe would be replaced with one of the coaches working under him when he is poached.

So he questioned me, along those above lines, that if we are looking to build a project/system/structure/philosophy - whatever you want to call it, why wouldn't you give the job To Big Dave if he proves that he has something about him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on April 05, 2018, 01:12:29 PM
Question:

If he wins 4/5 of our remaining fixtures would you back him for the job full time?

A mate of mine is a Bournemouth fan and is completely bought into the way Bournemouth do things, and that is filling the club with 'Bournemouth people' all with one ethos. They have a one club philosophy and he expects that Howe would be replaced with one of the coaches working under him when he is poached.

So he questioned me, along those above lines, that if we are looking to build a project/system/structure/philosophy - whatever you want to call it, why wouldn't you give the job To Big Dave if he proves that he has something about him.


If he wins 4 or 5 games with this lot he should get a knighthood.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MarkW on April 05, 2018, 01:17:35 PM
Now we're in the Championship we should see more of the younger players.  It's a lot tougher trying to break into a mid table Prem side than it is a mid table Championship side.

While that is true, I still think we need a strong, experienced core of players. We can't put put out a team of kids every week and hope to get promoted. But with the extra game, squad rotation is key so they may get their chance when we're playing our 4th game in 13 days
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 05, 2018, 01:34:41 PM
We'll Still have Brunt, Yacob, G-Mac (Possibly), Dawson (Hopefully), Foster (Hopefully) and Robson (Hopefully) to provide the Youth With Experience Not Forgetting Matt Phillips who has Experience at this level and might come good and J-Rod as well But we need more Players to help with the youth as well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MarkW on April 05, 2018, 02:14:12 PM
Very true. You'd want to pair the younger player with a more experienced one, e.g. Field next to Yacob in midfield.

Anyway, going back to Big Dave, he has my full support for the rest of the season, and I hope to see some changes, though I am prepared for more of the same if I'm honest
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wimbledon baggie on April 05, 2018, 02:29:40 PM
Wish Darren Moore all the very best with zero pressure or expectation.

He is in a difficult position as the role of coach is very different to that of manager. Coaching is just trying to improve all the players and work on different formations etc. Managing means dropping some players, promoting others so he cant keep everyone happy. Be very interesting to see who he picks as captain and which players he leaves out.

Hope you get some reaction from this underperforming lot big man!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 05, 2018, 02:39:22 PM

If he wins 4 or 5 games with this lot he should get a knighthood.
If he wins 2 he will have done better than 2 "Established" Premier League managers.
If he wins 4 or 5 he should indeed get a knighthood plus the freedom of West Bromwich, drinks for life at the Star and Garter and first pick of the clobber on the market!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on April 05, 2018, 02:43:00 PM
If he wins 2 he will have done better than 2 "Established" Premier League managers.
If he wins 4 or 5 he should indeed get a knighthood plus the freedom of West Bromwich, drinks for life at the Star and Garter and first pick of the clobber on the market!

The Star and Garter closed down some time ago you cheapskate  ;D .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BB74 on April 05, 2018, 02:57:12 PM
While that is true, I still think we need a strong, experienced core of players. We can't put put out a team of kids every week and hope to get promoted. But with the extra game, squad rotation is key so they may get their chance when we're playing our 4th game in 13 days

You won't win anything with kids  ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 05, 2018, 03:07:25 PM
The Star and Garter closed down some time ago you cheapskate  ;D .
The Sportsman then, throw in some Chicken Tikka!  :P
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on April 05, 2018, 04:09:10 PM
The Sportsman then, throw in some Chicken Tikka!  :P

Big Dave eats Pot Noodles, don't you know nothing ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 05, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
Maybe Brunt could help him

I meant coaching experience, Brunt has none plus along with the rest of the playing staff is one part of the reason we are in this mess
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 05, 2018, 06:58:49 PM
I meant coaching experience, Brunt has none plus along with the rest of the playing staff is one part of the reason we are in this mess

As much as I've defended Nick Hammond, I'd be really disappointed if he didn't help Darren Moore during this period between now & end of season. Especially if, as others have said, a DoF is a wannabe Head Coach.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 05, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
I meant coaching experience, Brunt has none plus along with the rest of the playing staff is one part of the reason we are in this mess
Oh well Long He May Return And Long He May Stay Sir Garry We need you to help Big Dave out
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on April 05, 2018, 10:27:09 PM
To be honest it is about salvaging a little bit of dignity and that might just be avoiding 6 straight defeats. I would not have blamed Darren in the slightest if he politely declined to pick this up but that is not how the guy rolls so I hope it doesn't go too badly for him.

Darren Moore goes into this as legend and he will come out of it still a legend. Those players who feel like disrespecting him better get ready from serious grief because the fans will not direct any anger or frustration at Darren so that just leaves the collection of overpaid has beens and never wozzers in the firing line.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 06, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
You won't win anything with kids  ;)

Only just read that. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 06, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
I think his team selection will reflect whoever has applied the most this past week. Don't think he'll pull any punches or try and be a tactical genius.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 06, 2018, 09:21:57 PM
Just hopes he can at least make the team play with a bit of Passion Not Expecting him to win just make them play with Passion and if they don't they have Disrespected the great man and shows how they couldn't give a Damn
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jimmy on April 06, 2018, 10:30:41 PM
Come on big Dave, I believe in you.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 07, 2018, 04:48:49 AM
Do your best Daz, and don't let those muppets win the day.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie38 on April 07, 2018, 06:06:06 AM
We could lose every game between now and the end of the season and I would still love this bloke. Wishing him nothing but the very best of luck. Who knows he may throw his hat into the ring to become our new head coach on a full time basis.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 07, 2018, 08:50:16 AM
We could lose every game between now and the end of the season and I would still love this bloke. Wishing him nothing but the very best of luck. Who knows he may throw his hat into the ring to become our new head coach on a full time basis.
But this once again shows why sentiment is an issue, what if he plays 442 against a 5 man midfield (like Pardew) what if he picks the same starting 11 that Pardew was picking...
Surely he needs to do/try different so he keeps his status ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 07, 2018, 08:59:36 AM
But this once again shows why sentiment is an issue, what if he plays 442 against a 5 man midfield (like Pardew) what if he picks the same starting 11 that Pardew was picking...
Surely he needs to do/try different so he keeps his status ?

I was thinking about this yesterday. I wouldn't be surprised if he went with a 3 at the back formation, he played in one under Megson.

I also think, while it's mathematically possible to stay up, he will go for experience. I'm not expecting to see too many personnel changes today.

On the other hand, I do expect to see a more positive attitude from the players.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 07, 2018, 10:14:11 AM
Not wanting a Win today but The Players just to shoes a bit of Fight for Big Dave Come on Big Dave good luck Son
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BB74 on April 07, 2018, 11:06:23 AM
For the younger ones who maybe don’t know where the Big Dave nickname comes from.

https://youtu.be/Pd3VQ0gpil8 (https://youtu.be/Pd3VQ0gpil8)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: east-stand-nick on April 07, 2018, 11:09:47 AM
For the younger ones who maybe don’t know where the Big Dave nickname comes from.

https://youtu.be/Pd3VQ0gpil8 (https://youtu.be/Pd3VQ0gpil8)

THAT'S where it comes from! Now I know :D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggies_24 on April 07, 2018, 11:15:59 AM
Come on big Dave I hope those bunch of premaddona’s show you the respect you deserve.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 07, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Big Dave is blameless in all of this and I will be cheering him on this afternoon.  Expectations though are still for me very low.  Anything above six straight defeats between now and the season end would be a plus.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 07, 2018, 03:38:43 PM
Big Dave is blameless in all of this and I will be cheering him on this afternoon.  Expectations though are still for me very low.  Anything above six straight defeats between now and the season end would be a plus.
He I said not
He has picked Livermore and brunt in central midfield, we know this doesn't work
He has picked a midfield 4 against a 5 , Pardew got slated for same
He has not changed the team to inject impetus

There really was only one man to come in for the last 6, SGM
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 07, 2018, 05:31:57 PM
Firstly, loved DM as a player and 2001/02 was my favourite WBA team of all time, simply for what was achieved.  Seems to be a really good guy in general too.

However, today to pick Brunt central / Mclean wide in a 4-4-2.  Seriously come on, 5 days on the training ground and that's the best he could do?

He's been there all season and every time Barry or Brunt are picked in that system we struggle.  And I still say Barry/Brunt can be effective in a 5, so not picking on them personally.  Burke has showed some promise recently and he's left out in favour of McLean? 

I guess Chadli/Belgium manager will dictate to WBA if/when he's selected not the other way around.

I don't see us winning any of the last 5 as that was by far the easiest fixture on paper.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on April 07, 2018, 05:56:51 PM
Big Dave should have made more changes in starting line-up and  team needed freshing up second half. Whole sale changes needed in summer.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on April 08, 2018, 09:37:39 AM
Big Dave should have made more changes in starting line-up and  team needed freshing up second half. Whole sale changes needed in summer.

100% Sure you will get your wish has i'd say up to 8 players will jump ship & their agents are more than likely looking for new births for them has i type.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 08, 2018, 09:45:58 AM
I genuinely believe he picked the XI who would have applied themselves best in training this week. That was my hope pre-game and I think that's what it was post-XI. You want to start, you have to earn it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on April 08, 2018, 09:46:08 AM
What a clueless selection yesterday. Negative and brain dead. Why not play the youngsters, why no subs yesterday save for Greg for J-Rod. Unbelievable the way he set us up. Clearly part of the problem and needs to go.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on April 08, 2018, 09:56:41 AM
Lets just remember that Big Dave didn't chose to be in the position he is in, and his team selection may well have been driven by the players themselves. I would like to see the youngsters thrown in but had he have done that yesterday, and we got a good trousering, then what would be all saying on here today? Had it not be for a bit of dilly dallying on the ball by CB then it could have been an unspectacular win, but its pointless criticising Big Dave for the selection, he is just doing what is asked of him whilst a new manager is appointed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on April 08, 2018, 10:01:01 AM
People say youngsters..Field was injured . Leko & harper both didn't get regular game time on loan either ..
First point in 9....that's a good start for Moore. The point proves it was a good team to get a point. We lost 8 in a row..
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kc56wba on April 08, 2018, 10:01:32 AM
Lets just remember that Big Dave didn't chose to be in the position he is in, and his team selection may well have been driven by the players themselves. I would like to see the youngsters thrown in but had he have done that yesterday, and we got a good trousering, then what would be all saying on here today? Had it not be for a bit of dilly dallying on the ball by CB then it could have been an unspectacular win, but its pointless criticising Big Dave for the selection, he is just doing what is asked of him whilst a new manager is appointed.

Very true Kev cant understanding the bashing Big Dave is getting on here and other places.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: koren on April 08, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Chadli and Field were not fit yesterday. Otherwise I think they would be included in the squad.
It's too early to say Moore's team selection is negative.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 08, 2018, 10:35:49 AM
What a clueless selection yesterday. Negative and brain dead. Why not play the youngsters, why no subs yesterday save for Greg for J-Rod. Unbelievable the way he set us up. Clearly part of the problem and needs to go.

One game in charge, gets us a point (even three would not be enough now, probably 18 wouldn't) and we're trigger happy. Turning on one of our greats too. Amazing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on April 08, 2018, 10:52:40 AM
Big Dave's hands could be tied with regards selection of team God knows what stipulations are in contracts but he should have used his bench.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 08, 2018, 11:08:28 AM
I would have been nervous of making any substitutions yesterday. There was a very clear synergy between the players on the pitch. I suspect they had been working on it all week.
Until CB's error I had us winning that match all day.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on April 08, 2018, 11:33:51 AM
We need to remember that Darren Moore is looking after things that's all. I think there is zero chance of him being considered for the head coach role so all he can really do is keep things ticking over and try and get the odd result.

He also has no experience of being the main man anywhere and this experience will be good for him in the long term.

Lay off him.The mess we're in isn't his fault.

If this season ended tomorrow it wouldn't be a day too soon.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on April 08, 2018, 12:51:48 PM
We need to remember that Darren Moore is looking after things that's all. I think there is zero chance of him being considered for the head coach role so all he can really do is keep things ticking over and try and get the odd result.

He also has no experience of being the main man anywhere and this experience will be good for him in the long term.

Lay off him.The mess we're in isn't his fault.


If this season ended tomorrow it wouldn't be a day too soon.

Agreed, not a great team selection yesterday but this is a thankless task he's taken on.

We have someone who truly cares about the club, we need to remember this.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 08, 2018, 01:00:26 PM
Leko couldn't get into the Bristol City side. I'm all for giving youngster a chance but let them earn and deserve that chance not go throwing anybody into the first team on a whim. Think it's sets a poor precedent irrespective of how bad we have been playing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 08, 2018, 01:10:59 PM
If Darren Moore had a Fully Fit Squad to Pick from Yesterday He Probably would have Played Chadli, Field and The Youth Probably is Albion don't have Strength in Numbers and I actually thought Yesterday he did well Got a Point and Made The lads play with Intent after our Steak just wanted we needed
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on April 09, 2018, 12:35:30 AM
What a clueless selection yesterday. Negative and brain dead. Why not play the youngsters, why no subs yesterday save for Greg for J-Rod. Unbelievable the way he set us up. Clearly part of the problem and needs to go.

I assume this is a joke and not a serious post...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: colinmax on April 09, 2018, 06:48:54 AM
DM is a great bloke but failed his first test.
We could still possibly avoid relegation.The odds must be thousands to one but to do so we must basically win every match.
In view of this how on earth could he make the decision to remove our leading goalscorer and replace him with a player who has not scored for the club when we needed a goal to win?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on April 09, 2018, 07:05:27 AM
It is not a test it isn't an opportunity for Darren to throw his name into the ring all it is him looking after a mess doing the best that he can with a horrible situation which was created by 2 coaches far more experienced than him neither of whom were capable of resolving the issues he is currently dealing with.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on April 09, 2018, 07:06:26 AM
DM is a great bloke but failed his first test.
We could still possibly avoid relegation.The odds must be thousands to one but to do so we must basically win every match.
In view of this how on earth could he make the decision to remove our leading goalscorer and replace him with a player who has not scored for the club when we needed a goal to win?

So let me get this right, after the horrendous season we have had with two excuses for head coaches, DM has failed his first test by not winning his first game with a side that has only won three all season? And you seriously expect him to find Champions League form for the remaining games? We were down weeks ago when we failed to get anything from 5 very winnable games.

DM has nothing to prove, he did not apply for the job and has not promised anything. He is the caretaker coach until the end of the season. Many of the players seem to be going through the motions and will not be there next season. Relegation is required to get rid of a lot of the champagne charlies, both on and off the pitch.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 09, 2018, 07:10:55 AM
If Brunty had put his foot through that ball in the corner instead of fannying around we wouldn't be having a negative conversation about Big Dave.
I think Big Dave knows himself he's not ready to step up and take charge, he has a lot to learn about the other side of the game.
But give the bloke credit for having a go.
If 50 of us managed the team for one game there would probably 50 different teams/formations put out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2018, 07:21:50 AM
If Brunty had put his foot through that ball in the corner instead of fannying around we wouldn't be having a negative conversation about Big Dave.
I think Big Dave knows himself he's not ready to step up and take charge, he has a lot to learn about the other side of the game.
But give the bloke credit for having a go.
If 50 of us managed the team for one game there would probably 50 different teams/formations put out.

But he still set up 4-4-2 with Brunt centre-mid and McLean wing!

We’ve been outgunned many many times through midfield in 1718 with when teams break on us at speed.  So he showed he’s learnt next to nothing.

Too pally with the players and not wanting to upset the applecart, maybe?

Problem is our defenders have all performed well (Apart from Nyom).  You could argue Rondon / Rodriguez both deserve to start.

Go back though to 1617, we were always better set up 4-5-1.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 09, 2018, 07:51:39 AM
It is not a test it isn't an opportunity for Darren to throw his name into the ring all it is him looking after a mess doing the best that he can with a horrible situation which was created by 2 coaches far more experienced than him neither of whom were capable of resolving the issues he is currently dealing with.
Agree entirely with this, too many people are reading into this as a trial for Darren, for the job on a permanent basis. No such thing more likely a Downing type role, to ensure continuity when a Manager moves on.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: colinmax on April 09, 2018, 08:42:31 AM
It has nothing to do with football it was a matter of common sense that we needed a goal if we wanted to win and you do not take off your main goal scorer (who incidentally was having a good game)and replace him with a player who has never scored for the team.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2018, 08:55:30 AM
I think as Manager/Head Coach you should just pick the best 11 in the best formation and that's whether you have a 6 game or 6 year contract. 

You can't keep all the players happy.  But those are the demands of the role.  So if you're not capable of making those tough decisions maybe you are just a Club Coach after all.

Who knows what Darren Moore learnt from previous Managers such as Pardew?  What he needs to do is be himself and develop his own style.

My own view is that too many senior players are too ingrained in the decision making themselves.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 09, 2018, 09:28:39 AM
I think as Manager/Head Coach you should just pick the best 11 in the best formation and that's whether you have a 6 game or 6 year contract. 

Couldn't disagree more. There are a number of factors that influence team selection and it is nowhere near as cut and dried as that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 09, 2018, 09:38:41 AM
But he still set up 4-4-2 with Brunt centre-mid and McLean wing!

We’ve been outgunned many many times through midfield in 1718 with when teams break on us at speed.  So he showed he’s learnt next to nothing.

Too pally with the players and not wanting to upset the applecart, maybe?

Problem is our defenders have all performed well (Apart from Nyom).  You could argue Rondon / Rodriguez both deserve to start.

Go back though to 1617, we were always better set up 4-5-1.

I didn't see us as being out gunned, and Nyom did OK (apart from most of his passes are backwards, and he left Phillips a little exposed at times)
Brunty had a decent game apart from the balls up clearance.
The only mistake was taking Rodriguez off and putting Greg on, I thought for all the world he would have taken Phillips off and given Burke a run.
Just want this season over now and look to a fresh start for 18/19
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2018, 09:54:55 AM
I didn't see us as being out gunned, and Nyom did OK (apart from most of his passes are backwards, and he left Phillips a little exposed at times)
Brunty had a decent game apart from the balls up clearance.
The only mistake was taking Rodriguez off and putting Greg on, I thought for all the world he would have taken Phillips off and given Burke a run.
Just want this season over now and look to a fresh start for 18/19

just was talking about the season as a whole not a poor team like Swansea.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 09, 2018, 10:00:31 AM
just was talking about the season as a whole not a poor team like Swansea.

So therefore there was no reason why he shouldn't have set the team up the way he did.
His original team and set up cannot be criticised, we know the squad has limitations.
Only criticism I have is he made a poor choice on subs.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 09, 2018, 10:04:55 AM
I think Saturday went some way to proving what we all knew already, that big Dave is not management material...currently, but then it is not by his choice that he is in this position so I certainly will not criticise him for it.

Brunt in central midfield in a midfield trio is a bad idea, to play him there in a midfield two is just utterly ridiculous. Thankfully Swansea set up in a bizarrely negative fashion and didn't look to exploit the poor team selection so it at least stopped the rot.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on April 09, 2018, 10:32:39 AM
I think as others have said i think the team was probably selected on what happened that week during training.

Once we scored we showed small signs that we were starting to play with a bit of confidence, then Brunt didnt clear it, Livermore got out muscled and Swansea score, its happened loads this season, all the managers and coaches in the world cant allow for individual errors.

Although i wouldnt of made the sub Big Dave did i can see the logic to it, how many times have we thrown away the lead this season, soon as it got to 1-1 our mentality shows that previously we go on to lose, i imagine at that point Big Dave thinks just take the point and end the run of defeats, Greg can help the midfield a bit more and it just tightens it up.

Personally i would of put Burke or Leko on because we were very 'safe' we played sideways and backwards a lot, when your ten points adrift, won three all season, havent won for three months and on your fourth manager of the season confidence is low and nobody wants to be the one to take a risk incase they lose the ball and we concede.

A Burke or Leko would of run at them, lose the ball loads but also gave them something to think about now and again and possibly create something too but i think breaking the run of defeats was the order for saturday and that was done, I imagine once relegation is confirmed then we will see more of the fringe players and youngsters.

Regarding Big Dave, i have no idea if his management / coaching persona is different to the public one but my worry for him as a manager would be he is too nice a bloke! Most (not all) managers have a bit of an edge to them and he just doesnt seem that sort, everyone loves Big Dave, he is just a top bloke but i dont know if that would be the same when your having to drop seasoned pro's, dealing with unhappy non playing members, tell them they are not getting contracts, etc.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2018, 01:52:31 PM
I think as others have said i think the team was probably selected on what happened that week during training.

Once we scored we showed small signs that we were starting to play with a bit of confidence, then Brunt didnt clear it, Livermore got out muscled and Swansea score, its happened loads this season, all the managers and coaches in the world cant allow for individual errors.

Although i wouldnt of made the sub Big Dave did i can see the logic to it, how many times have we thrown away the lead this season, soon as it got to 1-1 our mentality shows that previously we go on to lose, i imagine at that point Big Dave thinks just take the point and end the run of defeats, Greg can help the midfield a bit more and it just tightens it up.

Personally i would of put Burke or Leko on because we were very 'safe' we played sideways and backwards a lot, when your ten points adrift, won three all season, havent won for three months and on your fourth manager of the season confidence is low and nobody wants to be the one to take a risk incase they lose the ball and we concede.

A Burke or Leko would of run at them, lose the ball loads but also gave them something to think about now and again and possibly create something too but i think breaking the run of defeats was the order for saturday and that was done, I imagine once relegation is confirmed then we will see more of the fringe players and youngsters.

Regarding Big Dave, i have no idea if his management / coaching persona is different to the public one but my worry for him as a manager would be he is too nice a bloke! Most (not all) managers have a bit of an edge to them and he just doesnt seem that sort, everyone loves Big Dave, he is just a top bloke but i dont know if that would be the same when your having to drop seasoned pro's, dealing with unhappy non playing members, tell them they are not getting contracts, etc.

Exactly.  You could forsee a scenario where the senior players would surround him demanding they play against Swansea and he's almost just taken that on board and said yes.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on April 09, 2018, 01:55:27 PM
I think as others have said i think the team was probably selected on what happened that week during training.

Once we scored we showed small signs that we were starting to play with a bit of confidence, then Brunt didnt clear it, Livermore got out muscled and Swansea score, its happened loads this season, all the managers and coaches in the world cant allow for individual errors.

Although i wouldnt of made the sub Big Dave did i can see the logic to it, how many times have we thrown away the lead this season, soon as it got to 1-1 our mentality shows that previously we go on to lose, i imagine at that point Big Dave thinks just take the point and end the run of defeats, Greg can help the midfield a bit more and it just tightens it up.

Personally i would of put Burke or Leko on because we were very 'safe' we played sideways and backwards a lot, when your ten points adrift, won three all season, havent won for three months and on your fourth manager of the season confidence is low and nobody wants to be the one to take a risk incase they lose the ball and we concede.

A Burke or Leko would of run at them, lose the ball loads but also gave them something to think about now and again and possibly create something too but i think breaking the run of defeats was the order for saturday and that was done, I imagine once relegation is confirmed then we will see more of the fringe players and youngsters.

Regarding Big Dave, i have no idea if his management / coaching persona is different to the public one but my worry for him as a manager would be he is too nice a bloke! Most (not all) managers have a bit of an edge to them and he just doesnt seem that sort, everyone loves Big Dave, he is just a top bloke but i dont know if that would be the same when your having to drop seasoned pro's, dealing with unhappy non playing members, tell them they are not getting contracts, etc.


But Krychowiak didn't go into the midfield he went up front alongside Rondon.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
So therefore there was no reason why he shouldn't have set the team up the way he did.
His original team and set up cannot be criticised, we know the squad has limitations. 
Only criticism I have is he made a poor choice on subs.

What are you talking about?

Virtually all season we have been overrun in midfield, coming across teams with players not only more skilful but more athletic.  A combination of the 2 if you like.  In the short term, the only way to combat that is play with a 5 man midfield and try and squeeze the game.  In the longer term, it is buying in more athletic/skilful midfield players to replace some of the duds we've got currently.

It's a good job Swansea had an off-day.  That was the same template used for Southampton (H)x2 / Huddersfield (H) / Leicester (H) and many more.  If that way Pardew or any other Boss he'd have been criticised on that selection.  I'm not really criticising the players, it's Brunt in that position now but it was Barry previously.

I'm just amazed that people involved in football for such a long time can't see it.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on April 09, 2018, 03:30:44 PM
I think Greg was playing as an attacking midfielder / number 10 role rather than an out and out striker, he seemed to be behind Rondon then trying to burst through.

I think if he had put Yacob on it would of almost admitted we had settled for a point, if he had put Burke or Leko on (which i would of done) it may of left us open to conceding a goal and losing again, with Greg i thought it was somewhere in between the two above which resulted in not really achieving anything.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on April 09, 2018, 07:43:54 PM
What is he meant to do? We had lost 9 straight before Saturday including defeats to Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Southampton (hardly great teams and on a par with Swansea).
We have changed formation all season. We have played 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 and still lost. He was managing his first professional game and apparently now he isn't managerial material. He may not be a good manager but i'm glad we have decided that after 1 game.
They say Rome wasn't built in a day but at Albion you need to change a season of disaster and a whole football culture within 24 hours :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on April 09, 2018, 08:31:47 PM
What is he meant to do? We had lost 9 straight before Saturday including defeats to Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Southampton (hardly great teams and on a par with Swansea).
We have changed formation all season. We have played 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 and still lost. He was managing his first professional game and apparently now he isn't managerial material. He may not be a good manager but i'm glad we have decided that after 1 game.
They say Rome wasn't built in a day but at Albion you need to change a season of disaster and a whole football culture within 24 hours :)
Kudos for that post,
Darren needs support not negativism, lets stay behind him, he will be learning every day, us slagging him off already will not help anyone.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2018, 08:37:29 PM
What is he meant to do? We had lost 9 straight before Saturday including defeats to Huddersfield, Bournemouth, Southampton (hardly great teams and on a par with Swansea).
We have changed formation all season. We have played 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 and still lost. He was managing his first professional game and apparently now he isn't managerial material. He may not be a good manager but i'm glad we have decided that after 1 game.
They say Rome wasn't built in a day but at Albion you need to change a season of disaster and a whole football culture within 24 hours :)

Look, Darren Moore did well on Saturday in terms of bringing "Unity" (his words) and he certainly galvanised the players to such an extent that they at least were motivated, on the front foot and pushed Swansea back at times.  Certainly, the early signs would appear that he's a superior motivator/communicator than Pardew, who was probably arrogant/detached.

My criticism comes from the picking of a formation/personnel that has failed the test multiple times over a 30 plus game season.  It's almost like he hasn't heeded the lessons from what's gone before.

So it's certainly not "black & white" regarding DM, as I've said I'm sure he has strengths.  You do wonder about him tactically and let's hope he's not from the Steve Bruce school of Football Management!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 09, 2018, 09:40:18 PM
Look, Darren Moore did well on Saturday in terms of bringing "Unity" (his words) and he certainly galvanised the players to such an extent that they at least were motivated, on the front foot and pushed Swansea back at times.  Certainly, the early signs would appear that he's a superior motivator/communicator than Pardew, who was probably arrogant/detached.

My criticism comes from the picking of a formation/personnel that has failed the test multiple times over a 30 plus game season.  It's almost like he hasn't heeded the lessons from what's gone before.

So it's certainly not "black & white" regarding DM, as I've said I'm sure he has strengths.  You do wonder about him tactically and let's hope he's not from the Steve Bruce school of Football Management!

What would have been your formation and personnel then O wise one?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on April 09, 2018, 10:04:04 PM
What would have been your formation and personnel then O wise one?

Not exactly wise, just common sense I would have thought..... 

(Bearing in mind Pardew was getting panned previously for a 4-4-2 set up).

With so many WBA midfielders lacking pace / athleticism you wouldn't be having 2 centrally and 1 of those Brunt. 

Foster
Nyom
Gibbs
Dawson
Hegazi
Burke
Phillips
Livermore
Krychowiak
Brunt
Rondon

Rodriguez to be brought on 2nd half.

Moving forward, are you happy with 4-4-2 then?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 09, 2018, 10:07:05 PM
No falling out lads, season's over. save your energy for next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on April 09, 2018, 10:46:01 PM
Look, Darren Moore did well on Saturday in terms of bringing "Unity" (his words) and he certainly galvanised the players to such an extent that they at least were motivated, on the front foot and pushed Swansea back at times.  Certainly, the early signs would appear that he's a superior motivator/communicator than Pardew, who was probably arrogant/detached.

My criticism comes from the picking of a formation/personnel that has failed the test multiple times over a 30 plus game season.  It's almost like he hasn't heeded the lessons from what's gone before.

So it's certainly not "black & white" regarding DM, as I've said I'm sure he has strengths.  You do wonder about him tactically and let's hope he's not from the Steve Bruce school of Football Management!

Steve Bruce games managed 865
Darren Moore games managed 1.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 10, 2018, 06:55:26 AM
Not exactly wise, just common sense I would have thought..... 

(Bearing in mind Pardew was getting panned previously for a 4-4-2 set up).

With so many WBA midfielders lacking pace / athleticism you wouldn't be having 2 centrally and 1 of those Brunt. 

Foster
Nyom
Gibbs
Dawson
Hegazi
Burke
Phillips
Livermore
Krychowiak
Brunt
Rondon

Rodriguez to be brought on 2nd half.

Moving forward, are you happy with 4-4-2 then?

Forget 4-4-2 forget formations we've got battered no matter what formation we've played.
Not so much about formations as personnel.
Where a few seasons back everybody was hailing the West Bromwich Albion model of running a football club, no sooner does the door shut on JP we adopt the Villa model.
Bring in over priced players, unbalance and unsettle the squad and here we are following Villa into the league below.

I was happy with the 4-4-2 on Saturday, we were winning the game, not over troubled, lost it because of individual errors.
We could have had six in midfield on Saturday, that would still be irrelevant because they scored from their first and only needless corner.
The point I'm trying to make is that we didn't throw points away on Saturday because of formation
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on April 10, 2018, 07:10:34 AM
Although we lacked a cutting edge I actually enjoyed large spells of the game. I haven't felt like that for ages. While ultimately disappointed to have only drawn with what has to be acknowledged as a dire Swansea side, those enjoyable spells were the most important thing for me. COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 12, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Although we lacked a cutting edge I actually enjoyed large spells of the game. I haven't felt like that for ages. While ultimately disappointed to have only drawn with what has to be acknowledged as a dire Swansea side, those enjoyable spells were the most important thing for me. COYB  8) .

Same. That's what's important too right now. That feeling.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on April 15, 2018, 05:57:59 PM
I thought we had decided after 1 game he wasn’t a good manager and tactically not up to it ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on April 15, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Should be interesting to see how results develop for the rest of the season. Is Darren throwing his hat in the ring for the next manager?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 15, 2018, 06:02:22 PM
I think Saturday went some way to proving what we all knew already, that big Dave is not management material...currently, but then it is not by his choice that he is in this position so I certainly will not criticise him for it.

Brunt in central midfield in a midfield trio is a bad idea, to play him there in a midfield two is just utterly ridiculous. Thankfully Swansea set up in a bizarrely negative fashion and didn't look to exploit the poor team selection so it at least stopped the rot.
Good evening mate!  8)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBArgo on April 15, 2018, 06:03:09 PM
Should be interesting to see how results develop for the rest of the season. Is Darren throwing his hat in the ring for the next manager?

Time will tell, we've got some tough games ahead (Liverpool and Spurs) so potentially this could be our last win of the season. As great it is to win today, he'd have to win a few more games to be considered as he's still so inexperienced, but hopefully he can at least prove himself for consideration.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 15, 2018, 06:04:05 PM
Big Dave has made an impact. I'll be interested to see how we perform over the remaing games.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 15, 2018, 06:05:39 PM
Good evening mate!  8)

Good evening...?

Are we trying to say that one game proves everything here? We failed to beat Swansea at home, that is more of a concern for me currently.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on April 15, 2018, 06:11:25 PM
Good evening...?

Are we trying to say that one game proves everything here? We failed to beat Swansea at home, that is more of a concern for me currently.
Swansea demonstrated a lack of confidence after a very poor season. Today's result should give us some pride and confidence back. I'm not naive enough to suggest that two games undefeated suggests we've found our man but good luck to Big Dave. If we can finish on a high I would be at all surprised to see him get a shot at management somewhere.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 15, 2018, 06:30:44 PM
Good evening...?

Are we trying to say that one game proves everything here? We failed to beat Swansea at home, that is more of a concern for me currently.
Not really more deadpan humour. But fair do's a win there has to be commended.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: don1thedon on April 15, 2018, 06:31:38 PM
Thank you Darren, big time!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2018, 06:32:24 PM
Lets just be pleased for the bloke.
The players have responded to Big Dave because he's that sort of personality.
Is he ready for management? Probably not yet.
Put that aside and lets be pleased for him and the players he's had to prepare this week
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: CL3MO on April 15, 2018, 06:40:12 PM
Massive respect for what Big Dave is doing. He is truly one of our own!

But for the permanent job, no.

We need a fresh start across the board - board room, management and players.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 15, 2018, 06:47:56 PM
Massive respect for what Big Dave is doing. He is truly one of our own!

But for the permanent job, no.

We need a fresh start across the board - board room, management and players.
Agree but hope he retains a role that supports his development.
Mind you, if we win the last 4 he can have the job for life, for me.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on April 15, 2018, 07:41:40 PM
Today was a tactical masterclass. Granted, he shouldn't be the permanent head coach unless we somehow become world beaters for the next 4 games, and even then I'd like a clause where he will simply be demoted back to a coach/assistant instead of being sacked. I think he got the game plan absolutely spot on today, and showed up one of the best managers in the world at his own place.

Big Dave, for doing what neither of the 'proven premiership managers' could do over the last 2 weeks in stopping the rot, you're an absolute legend.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on April 15, 2018, 07:56:22 PM
Oh if only - Big D had been put in charge 6 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Wigmore on April 15, 2018, 08:22:24 PM
Good evening...?

Are we trying to say that one game proves everything here? We failed to beat Swansea at home, that is more of a concern for me currently.

Stop digging.
If you really think that the Swansea result is more of a concern than the wholehearted improvement shown today, words fail me...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 15, 2018, 08:42:04 PM
I believe in the man and clearly the players do.

When we keep saying we're looking for something different, do we actually know what that different is? It could possibly be a fairly unassuming man who utterly loves our club and has some decent ideas and team selection and who also galvanises a jaded squad.

Just saying. Four more games to see.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 15, 2018, 09:16:56 PM
Said all along if he wins 4/5 of the matches he deserves to get the job full time. 3 more wins (which I doubt we’ll get) and he’s in for me.

Failing that then I hope he becomes our permanent 1st team coach in our new structure in the mold of Keith Downing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on April 15, 2018, 10:02:30 PM
Regardless of what happens between now and the start of next season, I want to thank Big Dave.

He didn’t need to step into this role, he didn’t have to take on responsibility of a team that was spiralling into the championship without a fight and he didn’t have to put himself in the firing line.

However, he’s taken it on until the end of the season and he’s brought the club back together, he’s brought the fans back onside, the players over the past two games have clearly put in shifts for him, he’s spoken about us being a family club and today’s result has probably softened how bad we have been for majority of the season.

Thank you Big Dave for understanding the club and the fans and for just giving us a little bit of pride and something to smile about in what’s been a terrible season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mig on April 15, 2018, 10:32:53 PM
So so happy with the win today and big thanks to Big Dave for that. Today was spot on and tactically he nailed it against a big club. What i want to see now is us taking the game to teams outside the top six. If he does that then give him the job. Otherwise he is not the one for me.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on April 15, 2018, 11:08:17 PM
Whatever he's done bottle it.
If he keeps this up who knows always liked his attitude,he's a top baggie whatever happens he must stay at this club
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: chipperclark on April 16, 2018, 12:02:52 AM
 ;D Would love to see Big Dave get the assistant managers job next season...then the No 1 job when he has done a season or 2.
He is steady,honest and loves the club and the players love him. ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 16, 2018, 06:34:56 AM
;D Would love to see Big Dave get the assistant managers job next season...then the No 1 job when he has done a season or 2.
He is steady,honest and loves the club and the players love him. ;D

II can see that happening if Appleton gets the No 1 job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on April 16, 2018, 09:06:15 AM
Big Dave is an inspirational guy , we know that from his time as a player/ captain. He also has a large dose of humility and warmth which I perceive was not there with Pardew or Pulis' coaching teams. The players were obviously not happy playing for either of these guys this season.

The recent club's history was built on people like Big Dave, working their socks off but staying humble and that's how we'll rebuild it again - that's our soul or whatever you want to call it and Big Dave understands that. Hopefully , new coaches and players coming in understand and adopt this approach too.

There's only one Big Dave
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 16, 2018, 09:26:31 AM
I'd be very happy to see Big Dave take us into at least the start of next season if this is how he operates.

We've a lot of change needed in between now and August and I'd rather concentrate on the squad and backroom if DM can continue like this.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on April 16, 2018, 09:34:03 AM
Regardless of what happens between now and the start of next season, I want to thank Big Dave.

He didn’t need to step into this role, he didn’t have to take on responsibility of a team that was spiralling into the championship without a fight and he didn’t have to put himself in the firing line.

However, he’s taken it on until the end of the season and he’s brought the club back together, he’s brought the fans back onside, the players over the past two games have clearly put in shifts for him, he’s spoken about us being a family club and today’s result has probably softened how bad we have been for majority of the season.

Thank you Big Dave for understanding the club and the fans and for just giving us a little bit of pride and something to smile about in what’s been a terrible season.

Great post, agree with everything you have said. Thanks Dave...... :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiebof on April 16, 2018, 10:46:31 AM
Really pleased for him and hope he remains a part of the setup for a long while yet. Calls for him to become the new manager are very premature in my eyes but pleased it's him in charge of the ship at the current moment.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 16, 2018, 11:44:23 AM
i think it's important that whatever happens and whoever comes in that Big Dave isn't lost to the club.

there needs to be a role for him with us
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on April 16, 2018, 12:36:57 PM
Delighted for the Big Man, he is just one of those blokes you cant help but like.

I said previously as much as a like him, i had no idea what he was like as a coach or manager, well if yesterday is anything to go by, he is bloody good at it!

The only thing may be if he does well between now and the end of the season as the main man, and somebody elses gets the job, would he want to move back to Assistant or first team coach? I think he is quoted as saying he wanted to be a manager a couple of years ago but wasnt ready at the time, after a year as first team coach and now six games as a premier league manager, if he does okay i wonder if he will fancy a crack at being the main man, even if its not at the Albion.

As somebody said above, he has restored a bit of pride, we looked like a team yesterday and after enjoying the win, i then started to think, why havent we done that all season!

It also raised the dreaded 'what if' question! Maximum we can finish with would be 36 points in the unlikely event we won every game between now and the end of the season. There are 7 clubs above us who have less than 36 points but they all will pick up points and have games in hand.

However i cant be arsed to work it out, i read earlier there is only Swansea we could actually catch so if thats correct i assume a lot of clubs down there are playing each other between now and end of the season so therefore one or both has to get points? By the way i know we are 99.9% down just curious!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MarkW on April 16, 2018, 12:43:40 PM
I still don't agree with his team selections, but you can't fault the guy on instilling an ethos into the team. Like I said on the after match thread, a great set piece routine off the training ground with everyone executing their roles perfectly
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 16, 2018, 12:57:52 PM
It's probably too early to make him full time manager, but it shouldn't be too difficult to keep hold of him in a coaching role, regardless of who the next manager is.

He's showing signs though, so down the line he might make a good choice.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: koren on April 16, 2018, 01:04:27 PM
Took charge of a team with 9 defeats in a row, got 4 points in first 2 games, win at Old Trafford. You can't ask for more.
Finally we can see the players playing as a team with fighting spirit. Well Done Big Dave.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2018, 01:30:18 PM
If Moore wins 2 of the last 4 games we will have to consider him seriously for the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 16, 2018, 02:02:09 PM
Domenico Tedesco has just got Schalke back to the champions league at the age of 32 with no real first team coaching experience prior to his appointment.

We need to find our own Tedesco and that means taking risks, as Schalke did.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 16, 2018, 02:06:31 PM
Delighted for the Big Man, he is just one of those blokes you cant help but like.

I said previously as much as a like him, i had no idea what he was like as a coach or manager, well if yesterday is anything to go by, he is bloody good at it!

The only thing may be if he does well between now and the end of the season as the main man, and somebody elses gets the job, would he want to move back to Assistant or first team coach? I think he is quoted as saying he wanted to be a manager a couple of years ago but wasnt ready at the time, after a year as first team coach and now six games as a premier league manager, if he does okay i wonder if he will fancy a crack at being the main man, even if its not at the Albion.

As somebody said above, he has restored a bit of pride, we looked like a team yesterday and after enjoying the win, i then started to think, why havent we done that all season!

It also raised the dreaded 'what if' question! Maximum we can finish with would be 36 points in the unlikely event we won every game between now and the end of the season. There are 7 clubs above us who have less than 36 points but they all will pick up points and have games in hand.

However i cant be arsed to work it out, i read earlier there is only Swansea we could actually catch so if thats correct i assume a lot of clubs down there are playing each other between now and end of the season so therefore one or both has to get points? By the way i know we are 99.9% down just curious!
We can still finish above: Swansea, Palace, Huddersfield, Brighton, West Ham, Saints and Stoke.
I make it that we could still finish 13th on 36 points.
Not many games between the bottom 8.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on April 16, 2018, 03:24:52 PM
Delighted for the Big Man, he is just one of those blokes you cant help but like.

I said previously as much as a like him, i had no idea what he was like as a coach or manager, well if yesterday is anything to go by, he is bloody good at it!

The only thing may be if he does well between now and the end of the season as the main man, and somebody elses gets the job, would he want to move back to Assistant or first team coach? I think he is quoted as saying he wanted to be a manager a couple of years ago but wasnt ready at the time, after a year as first team coach and now six games as a premier league manager, if he does okay i wonder if he will fancy a crack at being the main man, even if its not at the Albion.

As somebody said above, he has restored a bit of pride, we looked like a team yesterday and after enjoying the win, i then started to think, why havent we done that all season!

It also raised the dreaded 'what if' question! Maximum we can finish with would be 36 points in the unlikely event we won every game between now and the end of the season. There are 7 clubs above us who have less than 36 points but they all will pick up points and have games in hand.

However i cant be arsed to work it out, i read earlier there is only Swansea we could actually catch so if thats correct i assume a lot of clubs down there are playing each other between now and end of the season so therefore one or both has to get points? By the way i know we are 99.9% down just curious!

It seems like an age ago now but I well remember a certain Sir Gary Megson restoring Albion's pride.

Now his captain is doing the same.

Whatever happens between now and the season's end, thank you Big Dave.

He may be a Viler at heart but he's OUR Viler and an honourary Baggie.

Arise Sir Darren, and SOTV with the rest of us..... COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 16, 2018, 03:59:00 PM
Delighted for the Big Man, he is just one of those blokes you cant help but like.

I said previously as much as a like him, i had no idea what he was like as a coach or manager, well if yesterday is anything to go by, he is bloody good at it!

The only thing may be if he does well between now and the end of the season as the main man, and somebody elses gets the job, would he want to move back to Assistant or first team coach? I think he is quoted as saying he wanted to be a manager a couple of years ago but wasnt ready at the time, after a year as first team coach and now six games as a premier league manager, if he does okay i wonder if he will fancy a crack at being the main man, even if its not at the Albion.

As somebody said above, he has restored a bit of pride, we looked like a team yesterday and after enjoying the win, i then started to think, why havent we done that all season!

It also raised the dreaded 'what if' question! Maximum we can finish with would be 36 points in the unlikely event we won every game between now and the end of the season. There are 7 clubs above us who have less than 36 points but they all will pick up points and have games in hand.

However i cant be arsed to work it out, i read earlier there is only Swansea we could actually catch so if thats correct i assume a lot of clubs down there are playing each other between now and end of the season so therefore one or both has to get points? By the way i know we are 99.9% down just curious!


I've just done a predictor. We would obviously need to win all our games. Then if the rest of the bottom 8 lose all their games (draw if playing each other) we would finish 13th on 36 points with 5 teams on 35 below us and goal difference determining the last relegated team. Stoke and Southampton would be 5 and 6 points adrift respectively.


Total pie in the sky of course because if we somehow beat Liverpool we'll go and lose at Newcastle. It's been that type of season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 16, 2018, 05:21:53 PM
Generally feel Big Dave has understood our anger all Season and Thought you know what I want this team to be playing with the Same Passion and Pride that I did he brought us the fans back on Side and Not only that You have to feel he was standing on the Touchline trying to inject Passion but The Players Playing under Pardew Probably Couldn't Inject the Players or make them see or play with any
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on April 16, 2018, 05:24:32 PM
Pardew couldn't have 'injected' the players with a hypodermic needle  :-X .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on April 16, 2018, 06:49:15 PM
Think he should be in with a shout for job on permanent bases.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 16, 2018, 08:54:32 PM
Think he should be in with a shout for job on permanent bases.

Think he should be if he carries on like this to the end of the season. I'd say so then for sure.

.... though thinking about it, we've kept asking for someone young (for management), with new ideas, that hadn't done the magic roundabout. Sounds a bit like DM.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 16, 2018, 10:36:05 PM

I've just done a predictor. We would obviously need to win all our games. Then if the rest of the bottom 8 lose all their games (draw if playing each other) we would finish 13th on 36 points with 5 teams on 35 below us and goal difference determining the last relegated team. Stoke and Southampton would be 5 and 6 points adrift respectively.


Total pie in the sky of course because if we somehow beat Liverpool we'll go and lose at Newcastle. It's been that type of season.
I think we could
There is always a story

Swansea
Stoke
Southampton
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: lewisant on April 16, 2018, 11:08:03 PM
Yesterday was great.

But i think everybody's getting carried away!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 16, 2018, 11:13:29 PM
Yesterday was great.

But i think everybody's getting carried away!
We’ve not had much reason to this season. It certainly makes a pleasant change.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Big Al on April 16, 2018, 11:59:39 PM
Much as I love the job he is doing in restoring our pride, I would not want him to take us into next season.
However it would be great if he stayed on in a coaching capacity as he is clearly gifted. I think we all want a clean sweep but it is preferable to have a new manager with some experience in my opinion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 17, 2018, 08:34:33 AM
We can still finish above: Swansea, Palace, Huddersfield, Brighton, West Ham, Saints and Stoke.
I make it that we could still finish 13th on 36 points.
Not many games between the bottom 8.
After last night's draw, we can still finish above both Stoke and West Ham!
Maybe the fat lady's got a sore throat..... best hide the Strepsils!  ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 17, 2018, 11:29:43 AM
Having moved on most of the senior figures on the board, we also moved out the majority of our support & communications network.

IMO it would be an impossible job for Darren Moore (or any other coach for that matter) without the support behind them. I'm hoping we get a stellar DoF, who would be capable of mentoring our next head coach. Under those circumstances, I think it would be worth giving Darren a go.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 17, 2018, 12:04:58 PM
We can still finish above: Swansea, Palace, Huddersfield, Brighton, West Ham, Saints and Stoke.
I make it that we could still finish 13th on 36 points.
Not many games between the bottom 8.

Don't do it to yourself, its the hope that kills you.
Just go and have a lie down it will soon be over.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 17, 2018, 12:13:23 PM
Don't do it to yourself, its the hope that kills you.
Just go and have a lie down it will soon be over.
Can't help it, it's the most fun I've had all season. I can see the DVD now:

"The Great Escape II: The Return of Big Dave"

 :D

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 17, 2018, 06:14:06 PM
Can't help it, it's the most fun I've had all season. I can see the DVD now:

"The Great Escape II: The Return of Big Dave"

 :D

Haha don't we all wish. I've done the permutations too since, I must be mental.

Swansea Stoke Southampton would be an absolute dream come true. But they've all got to do pretty crap (genuinely some tough fixtures for them all) while we win each and every single one.

Once Liverpool put three past us on Saturday, we can check back in to reality.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 17, 2018, 06:50:25 PM
Haha don't we all wish. I've done the permutations too since, I must be mental.

Swansea Stoke Southampton would be an absolute dream come true. But they've all got to do pretty crap (genuinely some tough fixtures for them all) while we win each and every single one.

Once Liverpool put three past us on Saturday, we can check back in to reality.
However if we win many of us will be on the Beer not me as I'm 14 but Some people on here ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 17, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
However if we win many of us will be on the Beer not me as I'm 14 but Some people on here ;)

Tell you what BaggieBoy if we win on Saturday I will raise several glasses in your honour. I could not be happier if that happens.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 17, 2018, 08:00:47 PM
Haha don't we all wish. I've done the permutations too since, I must be mental.

Swansea Stoke Southampton would be an absolute dream come true. But they've all got to do pretty crap (genuinely some tough fixtures for them all) while we win each and every single one.

Once Liverpool put three past us on Saturday, we can check back in to reality.


Brighton are the ones to watch. Awful run in.


As you say though a spanking on Saturday and it makes no odds...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 18, 2018, 08:44:21 AM

Brighton are the ones to watch. Awful run in.


As you say though a spanking on Saturday and it makes no odds...
Brighton pretty much out of range now, would take 4 wins and a 10 goal swing.
Huddersfield have Chelsea, Everton, Man City and Arsenal left, with a worse goal difference though, so are there for the taking. ;)
Win Saturday and we'll all start to believe.
Hallelujah.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 18, 2018, 08:48:51 AM
Brighton pretty much out of range now, would take 4 wins and a 10 goal swing.
Huddersfield have Chelsea, Everton, Man City and Arsenal left, with a worse goal difference though, so are there for the taking. ;)
Win Saturday and we'll all start to believe.
Hallelujah.

I'd not looked at Huddersfield's fixtures. Blimey.

Mid afternoon Saturday will be a very different climate on here one way or another....

COYB!!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 18, 2018, 10:54:47 AM
Brighton pretty much out of range now, would take 4 wins and a 10 goal swing.
Huddersfield have Chelsea, Everton, Man City and Arsenal left, with a worse goal difference though, so are there for the taking. ;)
Win Saturday and we'll all start to believe.
Hallelujah.

Not me mate, I refuse to believe as I don't want the disappointment! IF we go into the Palace game needing a win to stay up then I shall allow myself to believe and then should we lose I'll just be pleased we managed to get ourselves into a position where we could have stayed up.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on April 18, 2018, 11:31:36 AM
And if they don't & we do ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mrvulgarity on April 18, 2018, 12:26:35 PM
Promoted to the premier league vs Crystal Palace.... Darren Moore Scored.
Pulled off the great escape vs Crystal Palace.... Darren Moore Managed?

Dare to dream!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on April 18, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
Blimey chaps, we have only won one game.....

We are as dead as flares so lets just accept it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on April 18, 2018, 01:11:36 PM
Blimey chaps, we have only won one game.....

We are as dead as flares so lets just accept it.


Lol. Yep, not a chance in hell we stay up from this position.

I actually like the fact that fans have some sort of optimism and hope again though. It sure beats that "dead" feeling everyone obviously had at the Swansea game.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Cullompton baggie on April 18, 2018, 01:45:44 PM
I don't like to burst anybody's bubble but 1 swallow does not make a summer! as the saying goes.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: CorbyBaggie on April 18, 2018, 01:46:08 PM
Brighton pretty much out of range now, would take 4 wins and a 10 goal swing.
Huddersfield have Chelsea, Everton, Man City and Arsenal left, with a worse goal difference though, so are there for the taking. ;)
Win Saturday and we'll all start to believe.
Hallelujah.

If we won all four and Brighton lost all four that's a minimum 8 goal swing.

(I don't actually believe this will happen!)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on April 18, 2018, 01:51:07 PM
Promoted to the premier league vs Crystal Palace.... Darren Moore Scored.
Pulled off the great escape vs Crystal Palace.... Darren Moore Managed?

Dare to dream!
One of my best days as a baggie, only the 2nd time I went on the pitch (Oldham away 1st) Thanks for bringing this to mind
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mrvulgarity on April 18, 2018, 01:58:41 PM
One of my best days as a baggie, only the 2nd time I went on the pitch (Oldham away 1st) Thanks for bringing this to mind

I can remember the joy on DM's face. then THAT Taylor image.....
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 18, 2018, 05:22:18 PM
I don't like to burst anybody's bubble but 1 swallow does not make a summer! as the saying goes.

I couldn't agree more but let's have a bit of fun til Saturday rains on our parade. As another saying goes :D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 18, 2018, 05:24:15 PM
If we won all four and Brighton lost all four that's a minimum 8 goal swing.

(I don't actually believe this will happen!)

The stuff dreams are made of.

(I don't actually believe this will happen either!)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 18, 2018, 05:25:52 PM
Promoted to the premier league vs Crystal Palace.... Darren Moore Scored.
Pulled off the great escape vs Crystal Palace.... Darren Moore Managed?

Dare to dream!

Great reminder. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Cardiaccarol on April 21, 2018, 03:46:54 PM
Good man Dave
Finally feel like we are getting somwhere

WELL DONE THAT MAN
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheBrom on April 21, 2018, 05:05:19 PM
Have to admit I was questioning his first substitution. Wasn't sure why McClean was taken off when Gibbs got subbed minutes later. Would have though a straight Gibbs for Evans or Burke would have been a simpler approach. Worked in the end though.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 21, 2018, 06:08:01 PM
Giant job a purely to get a winning mentality back and restore pride if he does a good enough job of this then he will deserve the job if he wants it
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 21, 2018, 06:33:58 PM
Giant job a purely to get a winning mentality back and restore pride if he does a good enough job of this then he will deserve the job if he wants it

Absolutely love the man's enthusiasm, but it's going to take a lot more than enthusiasm to move us on from this season
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ajt33 on April 21, 2018, 10:35:18 PM
"Can we restart the season please?"  :P

(http://i3.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article11228260.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/WBA25jpe  :Pg.jpg)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on April 22, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
if Darren gets the job full time he has to be more proactive in using bench, if its not working change it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 22, 2018, 05:40:42 PM
Love the man and love all he is doing to galvanise the club currently...but next manager? Not for me still.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on April 22, 2018, 05:42:56 PM
Love the man and love all he is doing to galvanise the club currently...but next manager? Not for me still.
I have mixed feelings , felt for a while we should gamble on somebody fresh . I'd have Moore over a lot of names mentioned so far.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on April 22, 2018, 05:50:25 PM
Can't help it, it's the most fun I've had all season. I can see the DVD now:

"The Great Escape II: The Return of Big Dave"

 :D
Looks like we'll still be in it at 3pm next Sat.  I reckon or chances are up from 1% to about 3% now 😉
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 22, 2018, 06:57:20 PM
He needs to do the business and Newcastle and palace sides we're expected the game too. We have done well in our free hits. I'm impressed so far especially that he didn't crumble and put Evans back in the team. He needs to demonstrate we can take the game to teams and then he will defiantly be in with a shout
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: chipperclark on April 22, 2018, 11:31:04 PM
 ;D He would be a fantastic Assistant coach...he needs to stay with the Club and whoever comes in would have a fantastic attribute in Big Dave.

In a year or 2 give him the "Big Job". ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 23, 2018, 09:41:06 AM
Looks like we'll still be in it at 3pm next Sat.  I reckon or chances are up from 1% to about 3% now 😉
It's still on!
If we win all 3, Swansea lose their last 4 and Stoke and Saints only beat Swansea and lose the rest, job's a good un!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on April 23, 2018, 10:04:40 AM
We stayed up with 34 points in the Great Escape season! guess how many points we can get this season  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If3SXJeZzMQ
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on April 23, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
The utterly ideal situation for me would be to get in a head coach strictly on a two year contract, with Darren Moore being his assistant (one of two if the guy wants to bring one) with the approach that Darren is lined up to take over after that.

A lot of the really successful teams adopt a system of promoting internally through a system of progression and talent recognition. I wonder how Darren would handle a 3-4 game dip in form in November of such, especially if we've a lot of the team to replace.

Aim high for the next coach, bring in the very best person we can (which probably means aiming at an old head who will come for the money, Luiz Felipe Scolari for example). Pour as much knowledge and wisdom into Moore and the other internal coaches as possible and then promote from within.

Lets try thinking more than 1 year ahead. Lets put a proper system in place!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
we are going down but thanks to Big Dave for lifting spirits which hopefully bodes well for new life in the championship
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 23, 2018, 01:52:23 PM
The utterly ideal situation for me would be to get in a head coach strictly on a two year contract, with Darren Moore being his assistant (one of two if the guy wants to bring one) with the approach that Darren is lined up to take over after that.

A lot of the really successful teams adopt a system of promoting internally through a system of progression and talent recognition. I wonder how Darren would handle a 3-4 game dip in form in November of such, especially if we've a lot of the team to replace.

Aim high for the next coach, bring in the very best person we can (which probably means aiming at an old head who will come for the money, Luiz Felipe Scolari for example). Pour as much knowledge and wisdom into Moore and the other internal coaches as possible and then promote from within.

Lets try thinking more than 1 year ahead. Lets put a proper system in place!


I believe something along those lines is the aim, whether we actually achieve that remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Backofthenet on April 23, 2018, 02:03:37 PM
Big Dave has really got them playing now and I wonder if it's down to his motivation or players thinking he will get the job so I have to impress him.
If that's the case they need to make a decision sooner. The issue with appointing someone in the Summer or close to end of season is that they may decide to 'give everyone a chance' whereas we know what they're like and few chances would be offered.
I think this process will take a lot longer than we think, unless there is someone waiting in the wings.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on April 26, 2018, 09:33:03 AM
I think these performances have always been in there somewhere.  Maybe Pulis had run his course with the squad, or the injuries were too much for the squad we had, but one things for sure, Pardew did not get the players on his side and playing for him.  I'd love to have been a fly on the wall for chunks of this season and see how bad it was and why management didn't do something sooner.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on April 26, 2018, 10:31:10 AM
The utterly ideal situation for me would be to get in a head coach strictly on a two year contract, with Darren Moore being his assistant (one of two if the guy wants to bring one) with the approach that Darren is lined up to take over after that.

A lot of the really successful teams adopt a system of promoting internally through a system of progression and talent recognition. I wonder how Darren would handle a 3-4 game dip in form in November of such, especially if we've a lot of the team to replace.

Aim high for the next coach, bring in the very best person we can (which probably means aiming at an old head who will come for the money, Luiz Felipe Scolari for example). Pour as much knowledge and wisdom into Moore and the other internal coaches as possible and then promote from within.

Lets try thinking more than 1 year ahead. Lets put a proper system in place!
This is muddled thinking. For a start, what coach with any confidence in his own ability is going to take a job where he is just keeping the seat warm for someone else? I doubt if such a person exists.
But just for a moment, let's assume that we found this mythical person and project forward with a couple of very plausible outcomes.
1 He gets us promoted in his first season, and gets a top ten finish in his second, making some excellent signings along the way. The team is playing with confidence and there is a feel good factor about the club. What are you going to do? Sack him and replace him with Big Dave? I don't think so.
2 He is a disaster and we are bottom of the Championship with half the matches played. What are you going to do? Sack him and appoint Big Dave 18 months ahead of schedule? Sack him and look for someone else to appoint in mid season for 18 months? What if this person then steers us clear of relegation and then gets us promoted in the second season? Sack him and replace him with Big Dave? I don't think so.
We all love Big Dave. He is a legend. But maybe he needs a bit more experience to undertake the role of head coach. In which case, we appoint the best person we can find, and offer Big Dave a role within the new set up. If he continues to develop as a coach over the next few years, we can look at him in a few years and make the decision then. On the other hand, if he is ready now, let's appoint him now. This is a decision for those with a finger on the pulse within the club and they have to make a judgement. But, I would suggest, your "utterly ideal situation" is not an outcome that has even a sniff of actually happening.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on April 26, 2018, 10:44:01 AM
It's amazing the change in atmosphere Big Dave has brought about in a few weeks in charge, however for me 3 or even 6 games is nowhere near enough to judge him able to take us into a massive rebuild and a long championship season. It seems we're all thinking along similar lines of putting in place a structure which allows greater longevity and succession planning which should include Big Dave.

We do need someone with experience of building/ rebuilding teams, relative success of developing younger players, possibly English league experience and possibly even championship experience (last two debatable of course). This means we'll likely have a shortlist of people who will be able to work with the existing coaches and build a legacy to avoid a Pulis style complete takeover which leads to an almost inevitable hangover at some stage.



Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2018, 11:06:15 AM
still pretty angry the players wernt playing for the shirt priorto Big Dave being head
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on April 26, 2018, 11:13:26 AM
still pretty angry the players wernt playing for the shirt priorto Big Dave being head
Have you never had a boss who was a complete idiot, who you had no respect for, and you certainly weren't going to knock your pan out for? I certainly have. I have also had bosses who I had utter respect for, and I would go the extra mile for. You will probably say that these are highly paid professionals who should play with pride and commitment whoever the boss is, and I would agree with you in principle, but human nature being what it is, it ain't going to happen.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2018, 11:17:34 AM
Have you never had a boss who was a complete idiot, who you had no respect for, and you certainly weren't going to knock your pan out for? I certainly have. I have also had bosses who I had utter respect for, and I would go the extra mile for. You will probably say that these are highly paid professionals who should play with pride and commitment whoever the boss is, and I would agree with you in principle, but human nature being what it is, it ain't going to happen.

not that anyone would care but the players being half arsed will determine whether i will renew or not, it all depends whos left of this sad lot come august
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 26, 2018, 11:47:58 AM
Have you never had a boss who was a complete idiot, who you had no respect for, and you certainly weren't going to knock your pan out for? I certainly have. I have also had bosses who I had utter respect for, and I would go the extra mile for. You will probably say that these are highly paid professionals who should play with pride and commitment whoever the boss is, and I would agree with you in principle, but human nature being what it is, it ain't going to happen.

Agree totally.

Darren Moore can't lose with this assignment, in the very unlikely event that he keeps us up, he'll be a hero, if we get relegated, it was expected anyway, but we went down fighting.

From 1 June however, all bets are off, & whoever is in charge then will be expected to deliver.
 I have to say though I was very impressed with the interview Neil Cutler gave about the coaching team & particularly the attention to detail from James Shan.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/25/meet-the-dedicated-coaching-team-behind-west-brom-caretaker-darren-moore/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/25/meet-the-dedicated-coaching-team-behind-west-brom-caretaker-darren-moore/)

I don't think it will be an easy decision on the new head coach.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 26, 2018, 12:11:42 PM
This is muddled thinking. For a start, what coach with any confidence in his own ability is going to take a job where he is just keeping the seat warm for someone else? I doubt if such a person exists.
But just for a moment, let's assume that we found this mythical person and project forward with a couple of very plausible outcomes.
1 He gets us promoted in his first season, and gets a top ten finish in his second, making some excellent signings along the way. The team is playing with confidence and there is a feel good factor about the club. What are you going to do? Sack him and replace him with Big Dave? I don't think so.
2 He is a disaster and we are bottom of the Championship with half the matches played. What are you going to do? Sack him and appoint Big Dave 18 months ahead of schedule? Sack him and look for someone else to appoint in mid season for 18 months? What if this person then steers us clear of relegation and then gets us promoted in the second season? Sack him and replace him with Big Dave? I don't think so.
We all love Big Dave. He is a legend. But maybe he needs a bit more experience to undertake the role of head coach. In which case, we appoint the best person we can find, and offer Big Dave a role within the new set up. If he continues to develop as a coach over the next few years, we can look at him in a few years and make the decision then. On the other hand, if he is ready now, let's appoint him now. This is a decision for those with a finger on the pulse within the club and they have to make a judgement. But, I would suggest, your "utterly ideal situation" is not an outcome that has even a sniff of actually happening.

I don't think its muddled thinking.
If we could get a coach that's coming to the end of his carear but wants one last Hurrah (The Big Phil Scholari or Arsen Wenger type) what better way to finish than with leaving a legacy for another coach to carry forward.
It wouldn't work if we were to appoint a younger on the way up coach though.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mikkyk on April 26, 2018, 12:19:55 PM
This is muddled thinking. For a start, what coach with any confidence in his own ability is going to take a job where he is just keeping the seat warm for someone else? I doubt if such a person exists.
But just for a moment, let's assume that we found this mythical person and project forward with a couple of very plausible outcomes.
1 He gets us promoted in his first season, and gets a top ten finish in his second, making some excellent signings along the way. The team is playing with confidence and there is a feel good factor about the club. What are you going to do? Sack him and replace him with Big Dave? I don't think so.
2 He is a disaster and we are bottom of the Championship with half the matches played. What are you going to do? Sack him and appoint Big Dave 18 months ahead of schedule? Sack him and look for someone else to appoint in mid season for 18 months? What if this person then steers us clear of relegation and then gets us promoted in the second season? Sack him and replace him with Big Dave? I don't think so.
We all love Big Dave. He is a legend. But maybe he needs a bit more experience to undertake the role of head coach. In which case, we appoint the best person we can find, and offer Big Dave a role within the new set up. If he continues to develop as a coach over the next few years, we can look at him in a few years and make the decision then. On the other hand, if he is ready now, let's appoint him now. This is a decision for those with a finger on the pulse within the club and they have to make a judgement. But, I would suggest, your "utterly ideal situation" is not an outcome that has even a sniff of actually happening.

If this scenario does happen, I would expect that this coach would start to get looked at by the 'bigger boys' and potentially be poached - DM could then step in
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 26, 2018, 12:26:15 PM
I don't think its muddled thinking.
If we could get a coach that's coming to the end of his carear but wants one last Hurrah (The Big Phil Scholari or Arsen Wenger type) what better way to finish than with leaving a legacy for another coach to carry forward.
It wouldn't work if we were to appoint a younger on the way up coach though.

Within our existing structure, it is muddled thinking, but if we appointed a genuine Director of Football who had responsibility for all football matters, with the head coach reporting to the DoF, then, it could work, in principle.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 26, 2018, 12:30:42 PM
I'm starting to come round to the idea of giving Big Dave a chance. We say we need experience, but what good has that done us so far this season? We say we want a fresh approach but ignore one that's staring us in the face.

I think the only reason that we are not clamouring for Big Dave to get the gig is that we are terrified that he may fail. We don't want to see one of our legend's reputation tarnished.
Question is, is that fair? Why should he be held back? He's a (very) big lad, he doesn't need wrapping in cotton wool.
He knows the club, loves the club and the fans love him, shouldn't that give him one foot in the door? Who else fits that criteria? McInnes? Potter? Neither have anything like Darren Moore's affinity with WBA.

We keep saying we should bring in someone new but they MUST keep him on to continue his development. What if that's not what he wants or the new bloke wants? What if it happens but the new bloke does a great job, how long does he wait in the wings? Does he have to leave to get experience somewhere else, in the hope that one day he can come back?

We could be guilty of not seeing what's right in front of our noses so, I say, if he wants it, he gets my vote!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 26, 2018, 12:46:15 PM
Sure big Dave has no experience being a head coach but he still has experience being A coach

Its the new appointments upstairs I'm much more bothered about.

If we get a good new recruitment team in and make the right waves in the summer, then I have every faith that Moore has enough coaching ability to help get the new squad of the players into the top 6

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 26, 2018, 01:39:27 PM
not that anyone would care but the players being half arsed will determine whether i will renew or not, it all depends whos left of this sad lot come august

oh is that time again  ??? ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 26, 2018, 02:05:51 PM
oh is that time again  ??? ;D


No idea what you mean... he says it at least once a week.


 ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2018, 02:08:31 PM
oh is that time again  ??? ;D

what are you on about
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 26, 2018, 02:09:15 PM

No idea what you mean... he says it at least once a week.


 ;D


well if you want to support footballers who cant be bothered then thats up to you
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WoysWunderful on April 26, 2018, 02:21:32 PM

No idea what you mean... he says it at least once a week.


 ;D

tune in for next seasons addition of will he won't he? presented by wbaindevon
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 26, 2018, 03:26:25 PM
I am really quite grateful for the work that DM has done for us and it has added to his status as an Albion icon.  However, I think our judgement might be clouded by the truly terrible season and Management we have had this season.  That management being at more than one level as well.  We beat man Utd away- great result played well.  We drew with Liverpool (played with some spirit and had some luck).  Three results in total are not enough to reach a judgement and we would be taking a big risk if we appoint DM.  That being said I would still see at a bold and exhilarating appointment which would keep my interest for the early part of next year.  When we appointed Pardew, sorry but my heart sank...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on April 28, 2018, 05:01:10 PM
In 4 games he has beaten Mourinho, Benitez and drawn with Klopp :) Not a bad start...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on April 28, 2018, 05:03:33 PM
I think I speak on behalf of all Albion fans when I say...

BIG DAVE, YOU'RE A BLOODY LEGEND <3

...but tell us something we didn't know  :P
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie96 on April 28, 2018, 05:18:25 PM
He deserves respect and the applause next week, we will most likely still go down but big Dave has given us monumental pride and has even made a couple of special memories with the United and Liverpool results. Thank you Darren Moore.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albertbaggie on April 28, 2018, 05:22:59 PM
In 4 games he has beaten Mourinho, Benitez and drawn with Klopp :) Not a bad start...
He's done incredibly well.
Shame we couldn't quite see out the Swansea game ... he might have even kept us up!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on April 28, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
You can't help but love the guy. So down to earth so level headed so honest and decent. What a wonderful man.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: reynirver on April 28, 2018, 05:48:55 PM
He already had a mentor. The guy is ready! Experience is a overrated and has gotten us bored to death and relegated last 3 years. Moore in!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on April 28, 2018, 05:55:31 PM
Yeah he's done enough.

Give him a 12 month rolling contract
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on April 28, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
His home record is poor - not won under him! Only joking!

 :D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on April 28, 2018, 06:04:01 PM
You can't help but love the guy. So down to earth so level headed so honest and decent. What a wonderful man.
That's why he should get the job, not a single applicant will have any of the above on his cv. Add to that his love for the club and it puts him head and (massive) shoulders above anyone else.
Big Davevin!!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Brummie Road on April 28, 2018, 06:37:16 PM
That's why he should get the job, not a single applicant will have any of the above on his cv. Add to that his love for the club and it puts him head and (massive) shoulders above anyone else.
Big Davevin!!!

Totally agree.

It's getting to the point where, looking at the touted candidates, it's more of a risk to give them the job rather than Darren Moore?

We've actually got something good going here for the first time in around 15 months, why on earth should we risk losing that?

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 28, 2018, 06:55:17 PM
well pleased for Darren whatever may happen! smashing fella!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on April 28, 2018, 07:05:54 PM
Likely that big Dave will win manager of the month also, add that to the recent wins and you start to question whether can really not offer him the job.

If we don’t offer him the job I guarantee another club will come knocking for him, he oozes professionalism and you can’t help but like him and feed off his positive attitude.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: lewisant on April 28, 2018, 07:31:39 PM
I think he's bringing my love back for the club after not caring (but deep down caring) after employing two managers that i couldn't stand.

I'm on board!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 28, 2018, 07:46:33 PM
I’m behind him. He’s not going to have a style or a tactical philosophy yet but I’m sure Eddie Howe didn’t when he was thrown into the Bournemouth job at a young age. Will take him to develop that aspect. Will the fans/owners be patient enough for that?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: caravanc58 on April 28, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
he's won more  matches this season for us than Pulls & Pardew.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on April 28, 2018, 08:02:44 PM
has to be given a chance in my opinion but what the hell was clueless doing in his time in charge, owner and board have alot to answer for with the worst appointment in Albions history >:(
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyPulis on April 28, 2018, 08:06:36 PM
Hes been very good for us so far. Its pretty common though that new managers tend to give a new manager bounce and Im not sure if we should stick with him. I feel like hes a bit too inexperienced.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on April 28, 2018, 08:24:41 PM
Originally didn’t want him to get the job next season as I didn’t want him to spoil his reputation and legacy. Yet with each game that goes by and each result he gets I think it’s harder and harder to ignore.
At the moment I’m leaning towards Moore with an experienced no.2.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2018, 08:44:22 PM
I think we should keep him, he's inexperienced but then RDM was our most comfortable promotion and he only had one season of league one football as experience. I don't see that Moore is particularly any more inexperienced having spent the last 6 or so years within various coaching positions. Unless we can get a particularly good manager like Marco Silva - extremely  unlikely, the likely candidates aren't really any more appealing.

Hopefully some of our more trustworthy senior pro's like Brunt and Foster have been consulted, but if they give his coaching the thumbs up, I don't see why we should rock the boat and change things up. He's a risk, but any appointment we make will be.

Obviously questions will remain over his tactical ability in his early stages, of the style of play he wants. I'm not sure he'll be espousing free flowing football philosophy and certainly he's not changed things up much on that front though we're certainly more organised, but if we can keep a good bunch of this team together - Foster, Hegazi, Dawson, Brunt, Livermore, Phillip and Rodriguez - the talent should make up for any potential shortcomings there, as indeed it did with RDM. We'll have a talented squad next season, half the job will be getting them motivated for the battle. Multiple promotions under his belt and undoubtedly a good motivator, Moore certainly has that in his locker.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ripryan1971 on April 28, 2018, 08:48:03 PM
Before anyone gets over excited with Moore, and i love him just as much as anyone else, however, its far far different having the job perm that was he's doing now. Its literally no pressure because we are virtually down. When the going gets tough in the championship, can Moore get nasty?  If everyone says yes, then maybe deserves a chance. Because for me, you need that nasty streak in your locker at some stage.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
It's time to announce he is our head coach for the championship , not lee johenson. Darren deserves a go. If only a few weeks previous eh.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on April 28, 2018, 08:55:25 PM
I don't think we should underestimate the part that James Shan & Neil Cutler have played in the last few weeks.

James Shan has a reputation for being tactically astute & a fine attention to detail.

If we are to make an appointment, it's the team we need to appoint, not just Darren Moore.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on April 28, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
I don't think we should underestimate the part that James Shan & Neil Cutler have played in the last few weeks.

James Shan has a reputation for being tactically astute & a fine attention to detail.

If we are to make an appointment, it's the team we need to appoint, not just Darren Moore.

Spot on. Shan has done a lot in the academy and Seaver was this chance with the first team too.

My only concern now is if they aren’t given the job, will the players play up with the new head coach cause they want big Dave back?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on April 28, 2018, 09:00:09 PM
I don't think we should underestimate the part that James Shan & Neil Cutler have played in the last few weeks.

James Shan has a reputation for being tactically astute & a fine attention to detail.

If we are to make an appointment, it's the team we need to appoint, not just Darren Moore.
Big fan of Shan , his Twitter account shows a lot of his training drills and methods .
He was mentioned a couple of years ago with the Notts County job , think he's gone as far as he can with the under 23's.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 28, 2018, 09:19:47 PM
Before anyone gets over excited with Moore, and i love him just as much as anyone else, however, its far far different having the job perm that was he's doing now. Its literally no pressure because we are virtually down. When the going gets tough in the championship, can Moore get nasty?  If everyone says yes, then maybe deserves a chance. Because for me, you need that nasty streak in your locker at some stage.

I know what you're saying but I tend to disagree, with every respect. I think he's come in at a crap time when the team were showing zero confidence and direction. I think Moore's got what it takes.

I'm pretty sure Pardew did nasty. That worked.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 29, 2018, 12:53:11 AM
For me it's quite emotional  that big Dave is doing so well and on the back of this I will be at the hawthorns against spurs supporting him ,  only the third attendance  this season, Bournemouth and our Cyrille  tribute along with Brighton away . Shocking considering 35 years a season ticket holder priori to the start of this season
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 29, 2018, 07:10:18 AM
Dave Moore as head coach and Shan and Cutler as permanent assistant and GK coach in the new set up?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on April 29, 2018, 07:18:19 AM
Dave Moore as head coach and Shan and Cutler as permanent assistant and GK coach in the new set up?
Would be a brave appointment , fresh and very interesting but a huge gamble which I can't see them taking.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 29, 2018, 09:01:50 AM
Dave Moore as head coach and Shan and Cutler as permanent assistant and GK coach in the new set up?
After all this, you put his brother in 😀
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wbarenno on April 29, 2018, 09:24:11 AM
If we do the same in the next two games as we have in the previous four then Darren Moore has to get the job. He has earned it. What more can he do?

My only reservation would be that the team we have now is going to be a totally different team next season. Different squad. Now is Darren Moore the man to rebuild a team and get promotion out of probably the most competitive league in Europe ? Also will he get the same reaction out of the new players coming in? Will they have the same respect for him as the players that know him now that will more then likely be gone next season ?

If we are looking at managers like mcinnes, potter and Appleton then go for Moore. If we want a young hungry coach go for Moore. I'd be more then happy with him. But that's my only worry above !

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 29, 2018, 11:48:19 AM
The impression I get is that Shan is the brains behind the operation, Moore is a hell of a motivator mind you, I’d run through a brick wall for him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on April 29, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
Darren Moore should be named "Manager" of the Month

Can't think of anyone who deserves it more, but then again I admit to be being biased!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on April 29, 2018, 02:06:18 PM
Darren has been fantastic as an interim and deserves a job in the new structure, and we are and should be grateful to him.  I thing longer term though we need more experience.  Particularly given we will be rebuilding our squad.  Still, it will bring a smile to my face if we appoint DM, and I will look forward to next season.  I just have this nagging doubt that after all the promising names on here have been discussed we finish up with another "Alan Irvine" moment.  In which case by October we will be begging DM to return from wherever he then is.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: brettsf on April 29, 2018, 03:05:17 PM
we will need a fast start to next season, assuming we're in the Championship, since the games come thick and fast. If we go for an 'experienced ' manager, there will inevitably be another stutter as he and the players get used to each other, whereas Big D will be hit the ground running with the bounce from this season.
We should remember that experience can be good and bad, and is merely one of the important considerations. Ron Atkinson oversaw one of our most exciting eras, and he came with little experience, none in the top flight.Darren will need some help, but it seems he's already getting it, and showing signs of becoming an excellent coach.
For me I think he has earned his chance, and he would appear to have the players on board, and certainly all the fans.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BB74 on April 29, 2018, 06:50:44 PM
Big Dave is apparently praying with the lads before games asking for them to be kept safe during the game etc.

Nice touch if true. Shows he cares. All these little things are helping the team bond and gets the players wanting to run through a brick wall for him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on April 29, 2018, 07:05:44 PM
Big Dave is apparently praying with the lads before games asking for them to be kept safe during the game etc.

Nice touch if true. Shows he cares. All these little things are helping the team bond and gets the players wanting to run through a brick wall for him.

Sometimes a person just needs the opportunity to prove themselves. Even if Big Dave loses the final two games, he still warrants serious consideration.

If the club doesn't appoint him, and things take a turn for the worse next season, we'll be eternally thinking what could have been had he been given the opportunity.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on April 29, 2018, 08:47:56 PM
The way I see it is folks on here keep talking about taking a huge gamble giving big Dave the job,well its a big gamble giving it to an experienced manager as we've found to our cost.
So a gamble is a gamble regardless of who it is,let Dave learn with us as he progresses its a mutual thang.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on April 29, 2018, 11:02:39 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/29/darren-moore-emerges-as-serious-contender-for-west-brom-job-as-ben-foster-urges-board-to-give-him-the-role/

"Darren Moore has emerged as a serious contender for the permanent Albion job after receiving backing from senior members of the dressing room".
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 29, 2018, 11:41:05 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/04/29/darren-moore-emerges-as-serious-contender-for-west-brom-job-as-ben-foster-urges-board-to-give-him-the-role/

"Darren Moore has emerged as a serious contender for the permanent Albion job after receiving backing from senior members of the dressing room".

Which reads that certain players are happy that they have someone they like in charge, been down that road before, didn't end well. Not interested in mates or cliques, want someone with balls to upset a few when its needed, can Big Dave do that ? will the little clique like being upset by their old mate if he dares to drop them or will we see certain players being picked regardless ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on April 30, 2018, 12:06:10 AM
I think this is a major PR gaff from Foster. Players shouldn't be openly lobbying for any particular candidate and of course the the $60,000 question is "Do any of those making plans to leave like working with Darren Moore so much that they will take a 50% pay cut?" No, thought not.

I am pleased that Foster and Brunt seem to be committed to the club for next year but it really isn't their call who the next coach is. They have to work with whoever the club appoints and in point of fact the harder they lobby for Darren the more an alternative coach is likely to view him as a threat and want him gone rather take him on.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie38 on April 30, 2018, 01:51:52 AM
I think this is a major PR gaff from Foster. Players shouldn't be openly lobbying for any particular candidate and of course the the $60,000 question is "Do any of those making plans to leave like working with Darren Moore so much that they will take a 50% pay cut?" No, thought not.

I am pleased that Foster and Brunt seem to be committed to the club for next year but it really isn't their call who the next coach is. They have to work with whoever the club appoints and in point of fact the harder they lobby for Darren the more an alternative coach is likely to view him as a threat and want him gone rather take him on.   

You are overthinking it. These are model professionals who know how the game works. Absolutely nothing wrong with them voicing their support for big Dave. Fair play to them I say because it takes balls to do that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on April 30, 2018, 04:02:39 AM
Surely" those making plans" are thinking I don't think I'll get what I'm currently being paid at WBA, I'm actually only worth 50% less.
The grass isn't always greener,anyway if they don't want to stay,we didn't want you anyway.
Funny that brunty said he expects a lot to stay,perhaps McLean just wants to go go play for Celtic,so let him go if they are stupid enough to buy a car crash waiting to happen,please go ahead.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on April 30, 2018, 06:30:55 AM
Surely" those making plans" are thinking I don't think I'll get what I'm currently being paid at WBA, I'm actually only worth 50% less.
The grass isn't always greener,anyway if they don't want to stay,we didn't want you anyway.
Funny that brunty said he expects a lot to stay,perhaps McLean just wants to go go play for Celtic,so let him go if they are stupid enough to buy a car crash waiting to happen,please go ahead.

Fair play to McLean, he's got a football ambition, to play for the club he's supported from a kid.
I can accept that rather than players with already probably having more money than they will ever need, wanting to go anywhere else that will pay them even more.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 30, 2018, 06:41:11 AM
Darren got in at the "dirty end" and has learnt "on the job".

Pardew never got his hands dirty, and yet he was appointed manager.
I think we all know someone who has got paper qualifications but are absolutely useless at their job.
To quantify that last statement....
How many people do you know have a driving licence and are useless?

Repeat...
Darren got in at the "dirty end" and has learnt "on the job".
He deserves the job, he has earned the right to do the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on April 30, 2018, 07:11:18 AM
You are overthinking it. These are model professionals who know how the game works. Absolutely nothing wrong with them voicing their support for big Dave. Fair play to them I say because it takes balls to do that.

If they were model professionals they wouldn't have started to phone it in under Pardew not to mention taxigate. It takes no balls to pipe up in the media when you have a contract and pretty much can't or won't be sacked for doing so. On the other hand it takes brains to hold your tongue.

If the board ask for an opinion they should give it even go and see Jenkins but to go to the media is dumb. If Moore get's the job will he be seen as beholden to a group of senior pro's or if he doesn't and things go badly for his successor are the same players are likely to be accused of sulking because their man didn't get the job.

Surely" those making plans" are thinking I don't think I'll get what I'm currently being paid at WBA, I'm actually only worth 50% less.
The grass isn't always greener,anyway if they don't want to stay,we didn't want you anyway.
Funny that brunty said he expects a lot to stay,perhaps McLean just wants to go go play for Celtic,so let him go if they are stupid enough to buy a car crash waiting to happen,please go ahead.

Very few think I'm lucky to be earning 50% of what I'm currently on. Even if they can't make what they do at the Albion they will be looking to minimise their losses and with an extra year on a contract a decent signing on fee even a 20% wage cut won't leave them too much worse off but they will be a lot better off than they are staying at the Albion.

I suspect that the Senior Pro's are the ones that predate Pulis. e.g. Foster,Brunt, Yacob ,McAuley Dawson and Myhill. Some of whom are out of contract and might be thinking that they might have a better chance of getting the options taken up or a new deal under Moore than a new broom.
Darren got in at the "dirty end" and has learnt "on the job".

Pardew never got his hands dirty, and yet he was appointed manager.
I think we all know someone who has got paper qualifications but are absolutely useless at their job.
To quantify that last statement....
How many people do you know have a driving licence and are useless?

Repeat...
Darren got in at the "dirty end" and has learnt "on the job".
He deserves the job, he has earned the right to do the job.


Nearly everyone I know who has a driving licence is a better driver than someone who has never driven a car.

Besides which Darren is a fully qualified coach. I would have a huge issue giving it anyone who wasn't.

Pardew also learnt on the job is a product of the culture that places effort over technical prowess and "inspirational"  speeches over tactical know-how. He is the generation that had to be dragged kicking and screaming towards a professional coaching education for ex-players many of whom to this day grumble about the requirement for a player to learn the skills of coaching because of their experience as players.

Darren has no more earned this job than any other suitably qualified candidate and would be extremely lucky to get this opportunity to get a Head Coach role at a good Championship club at this stage of his career. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: DaveWBA on April 30, 2018, 08:49:46 AM
I think this is a major PR gaff from Foster. Players shouldn't be openly lobbying for any particular candidate and of course the the $60,000 question is "Do any of those making plans to leave like working with Darren Moore so much that they will take a 50% pay cut?" No, thought not.

I am pleased that Foster and Brunt seem to be committed to the club for next year but it really isn't their call who the next coach is. They have to work with whoever the club appoints and in point of fact the harder they lobby for Darren the more an alternative coach is likely to view him as a threat and want him gone rather take him on.   

I see the logic here, I fear DM is riding the wave of not being Pulis or Pardew.

Can't remember which poster said it but I'm in agreement with their wish for him to win every game as caretaker, then resume next season as part of the coaching staff or assistant manager. If it went sour next season I wouldn't be able to cope with sacking him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 30, 2018, 09:02:24 AM
Nearly everyone I know who has a driving licence is a better driver than someone who has never driven a car.

And yet ironically, it's been a car crash of a season with those two Reginald Molehusbands in charge with all their licences and all of a sudden we're cruising.

Qualifications.  One of my class at Poly years ago was disappointed he was only getting a 2.1 degree, to which the assessor immediately replied:
"Tell you something son, your degree isn't worth a tuppenny toss in the real world of working".
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wappingbaggie on May 01, 2018, 12:31:46 AM
lets say we get 3 points from last 2 games ... at a basic level of analysis/decision making are they really going to decide not to appoint someone who took 11 points from 6 toughish games ...especially given the paucity of available alternative candidates
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on May 01, 2018, 06:37:25 AM
Whatever happens, whoever takes over, whether the players are playing for the shirt of a move, not bothered who stays and who goes........


Thanks Big Dave for putting a smile back on our fans faces and restoring a bit of pride back on the terraces  ;)

Top top man!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kev on May 01, 2018, 08:49:28 AM
Whatever happens, whoever takes over, whether the players are playing for the shirt of a move, not bothered who stays and who goes........


Thanks Big Dave for putting a smile back on our fans faces and restoring a bit of pride back on the terraces  ;)

Top top man!



He is a top man and with what he as achieved now and what he did as a player puts him on the short list of Albion all time legends...And that's why he should not take the job because he will eventually get the sack and I don't want that for him.... He should  remain at the Albion on the coaching staff and be know as a one of the greats ...not if but when he gets the sack he is out of the club.. Do we really want to see his career at the Albion end like that...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: bradleysrocket on May 01, 2018, 09:35:26 AM


He is a top man and with what he as achieved now and what he did as a player puts him on the short list of Albion all time legends...And that's why he should not take the job because he will eventually get the sack and I don't want that for him.... He should  remain at the Albion on the coaching staff and be know as a one of the greats ...not if but when he gets the sack he is out of the club.. Do we really want to see his career at the Albion end like that...
If that’s the chance he wants to take them that’s his professional choice. If he fails as a manager I don’t think anybody will forget all the rest. One thing is for sure, I can’t remember an Albion manager that will have been universally backed by all the fans upon appointment.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on May 01, 2018, 09:44:20 AM
If that’s the chance he wants to take them that’s his professional choice. If he fails as a manager I don’t think anybody will forget all the rest. One thing is for sure, I can’t remember an Albion manager that will have been universally backed by all the fans upon appointment.

That's quite a good point actually.

If its not Darren then as other threads have shown we are very divided on who should be considered. Personally I am not in favour at present BUT the evidence is there for all to see. I echo others views about the players playing for themselves, but something has definitely happened in the dressing room and he really has got them playing as a team. We have been talking about an up and coming new talent like Smith or Potter. Why not Moore?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 01, 2018, 02:57:04 PM
Darren Moore should be named "Manager" of the Month

Can't think of anyone who deserves it more, but then again I admit to be being biased!

Darren Moore has been nominated for April's Barclays Premier League Manager of the Month...

Surely must win it!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
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Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jimmy on May 01, 2018, 08:35:20 PM
Isnt a curse usually bestowed upon the winner as well?

Leave that for Mourinho.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
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Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
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Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: chipperclark on May 02, 2018, 12:32:59 AM
 :D Have to give Big Dave the Assistant role in coaching the team. He has to be there...but I don't want him to be the "fall guy" if things go wrong.

He is getting close to getting his own statue/gates as Legend status...take my hat off to you Big Dave. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on May 02, 2018, 06:59:29 AM
:D Have to give Big Dave the Assistant role in coaching the team. He has to be there...but I don't want him to be the "fall guy" if things go wrong.

He is getting close to getting his own statue/gates as Legend status...take my hat off to you Big Dave. ;D ;D ;D

Maybe Big Dave doesn't want to play second fiddle!
Maybe he figures he's done enough over the last few games to warrant a crack on his own.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: chipperclark on May 02, 2018, 07:03:50 AM
Maybe Big Dave doesn't want to play second fiddle!
Maybe he figures he's done enough over the last few games to warrant a crack on his own.
;D Tuamigos we are of the same vintage,and I agree deep down he probably would like the job....I would also like him to stay at the club for the next 10 years in some capacity....my comment is "I don't want him to be the fall guy" and as you well know a Manager is only as good as his last result.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on May 02, 2018, 07:48:02 AM
;D Tuamigos we are of the same vintage,and I agree deep down he probably would like the job....I would also like him to stay at the club for the next 10 years in some capacity....my comment is [b]"I don't want him to be the fall guy"[/b] and as you well know a Manager is only as good as his last result.

Me neither, but as we both know nice guys get crapped on!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 02, 2018, 12:07:59 PM
Not wanting Moore as manager in case he has to be sacked at a later date is the worst reason not to want him imo...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on May 02, 2018, 01:51:16 PM
Not wanting Moore as manager in case he has to be sacked at a later date is the worst reason not to want him imo...

Absobloodylutely, If you don't try, you'll never fail & if you've never failed, you'll never know the sweet taste of success.

If he wants it just give the man the job, 99% of Albion fans love this guy, I doubt there is a current coach/manager around that will galvanise the fans like Big Dave has, call the recent results whatever you like, bounce, luck, players reverse window shopping, DM has restored a lot of pride & no small amount of belief, lets take that into next season, as the new chapter begins.

#giveittobigdave   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on May 02, 2018, 03:35:30 PM
Every manager will end up leaving and more than likely under a cloud.  I can only think of Fergie in recent times.  I guess Roy as we couldn't begrudge him the England job (although I bet a lot did).
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on May 02, 2018, 05:01:09 PM
Not wanting Moore as manager in case he has to be sacked at a later date is the worst reason not to want him imo...

I understand the sentiments of those who suggest he shouldn't get the job under the future sacking scenario. On the other hand it does sound a bit like wanting to inject puppies with no grow serum so they can stay cute forever. May as well let 'em grow, give 'em a bit of freedom and see what they do. There's no guarantee they'll sh it all over the place  ;D .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
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What a stupid way of deciding it. Of course Mourinho is going to win that, United have millions of fans across the world.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 06, 2018, 08:09:49 AM
I bought the wife's son a tee shirt which said..."What a difference a DAVE makes".
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 06, 2018, 09:49:03 AM
I bought the wife's son a tee shirt which said..."What a difference a DAVE makes".

Top six form. And against three of the top six.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 06, 2018, 11:04:21 AM
Excellent droitwich,should have all supporters wearing one over their Albion shirt at the palace game.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 06, 2018, 07:12:13 PM
Whilst it's hard to argue against 3 wins and 2 draws (particularly given who we've defeated), I'm hesitating to fully back Big Dave, because his tactics so far have been akin to Pulis #2 (but with legendary club status and a much better personality in Darren's favour), and I really really want us to move away from a "defend for our lives and hope to catch them on the break or from a set piece" mentality. Darren was a solid rock-solid central defender, and I've seen nothing so far to indicate that his style of play will be anything other than that.

I'm trying to view this with my head rather than my heart, and I want to see us approaching games with more attacking flair, which is what Jenkins has said is the Board's aim with their next appointment, and there's absolutely no indication to me that Darren has the mindset or tactical nous, at this stage of his career, to deliver that. Keep Darren here and promote him by all means, but I don't think he's got the experience, flexibility and tactical armoury to be ready for a head coach's role just yet.

If this view makes me a heretic, so be it....
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adder on May 06, 2018, 09:01:07 PM
Whilst it's hard to argue against 3 wins and 2 draws (particularly given who we've defeated), I'm hesitating to fully back Big Dave, because his tactics so far have been akin to Pulis #2 (but with legendary club status and a much better personality in Darren's favour), and I really really want us to move away from a "defend for our lives and hope to catch them on the break or from a set piece" mentality. Darren was a solid rock-solid central defender, and I've seen nothing so far to indicate that his style of play will be anything other than that.

I'm trying to view this with my head rather than my heart, and I want to see us approaching games with more attacking flair, which is what Jenkins has said is the Board's aim with their next appointment, and there's absolutely no indication to me that Darren has the mindset or tactical nous, at this stage of his career, to deliver that. Keep Darren here and promote him by all means, but I don't think he's got the experience, flexibility and tactical armoury to be ready for a head coach's role just yet.

If this view makes me a heretic, so be it....
I agree with you. Yesterday's performance was similar to what we saw under Pulis (when things were going well) but with more crowd passion, and rightly so, because of Big Dave's standing at the club and the momentum in this unlikely survival fight.  We have no idea what approach DM would have next season if given the job. This is the ideal time for a change of tack with a likely high turn over of players and with some luck 3 or 4 of our own being given chance to step up in the next year or two.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on May 07, 2018, 02:49:23 AM
Whilst it's hard to argue against 3 wins and 2 draws (particularly given who we've defeated), I'm hesitating to fully back Big Dave, because his tactics so far have been akin to Pulis #2 (but with legendary club status and a much better personality in Darren's favour), and I really really want us to move away from a "defend for our lives and hope to catch them on the break or from a set piece" mentality. Darren was a solid rock-solid central defender, and I've seen nothing so far to indicate that his style of play will be anything other than that.

I'm trying to view this with my head rather than my heart, and I want to see us approaching games with more attacking flair, which is what Jenkins has said is the Board's aim with their next appointment, and there's absolutely no indication to me that Darren has the mindset or tactical nous, at this stage of his career, to deliver that. Keep Darren here and promote him by all means, but I don't think he's got the experience, flexibility and tactical armoury to be ready for a head coach's role just yet.

If this view makes me a heretic, so be it....

I respect your opinion but have to disagree. Are you expecting swash buckling attacking play and a complete change in philosophy in 5 games? We have also played Man Utd, Spurs and Liverpool. From a team that had lost 9 straight games do you think we would start to out football top 4 teams? i think Big Dave is actually clever, he realized the squad we have and what our strengths are. He wanted to win games and this was the best way to do it. Its not his squad and yet he is getting the best out of underperforming players. I don't think you could say what his "style" of play is until he was given his own chance to build a squad and put his stamp on the team. Man management is so important and Big Dave seems to have that in abundance.
Wasn't Tony Mowbray and bruising centre half in his playing days and yet he loves a team of "Artists" :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on May 07, 2018, 08:32:27 AM
I have to say that tactically DM has been spot on for the games we have played so far. Against Spurs any team in our position would set up fairly defensively and in my view we did this very well.  Tactically he has payed to the strengths of Dawson and Hegazi, he has the best out of Phillips who looks a changed person over the last few games and the substitutions make a difference.  One (of very many) mistakes Pardew made was to try and change a style of play too quickly and it did not work.  I think DM will play exciting football, he just recognises it will take some time to achieve. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 07, 2018, 09:18:39 AM
I respect your opinion but have to disagree. Are you expecting swash buckling attacking play and a complete change in philosophy in 5 games? We have also played Man Utd, Spurs and Liverpool. From a team that had lost 9 straight games do you think we would start to out football top 4 teams? i think Big Dave is actually clever, he realized the squad we have and what our strengths are. He wanted to win games and this was the best way to do it. Its not his squad and yet he is getting the best out of underperforming players. I don't think you could say what his "style" of play is until he was given his own chance to build a squad and put his stamp on the team. Man management is so important and Big Dave seems to have that in abundance.
Wasn't Tony Mowbray and bruising centre half in his playing days and yet he loves a team of "Artists" :)
I can only base my opinion what's happened so far with the style of play. Anything else is just speculation by all of us. I agree with you regarding man management and, should Darren get the job, I'll back him and will be interested to hear him state his intentions during the close season regarding the style of play. All I'm saying is that I'm desperate for us to have someone at the helm who can demonstrate that it's possible to be successful using a different playing style to the likes of Pulis, Allardyce etc.

You're correct about Mogga, but I would regard him as being more the exception rather than the rule.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 07, 2018, 10:13:00 AM
I can only base my opinion what's happened so far with the style of play. Anything else is just speculation by all of us. I agree with you regarding man management and, should Darren get the job, I'll back him and will be interested to hear him state his intentions during the close season regarding the style of play. All I'm saying is that I'm desperate for us to have someone at the helm who can demonstrate that it's possible to be successful using a different playing style to the likes of Pulis, Allardyce etc.

You're correct about Mogga, but I would regard him as being more the exception rather than the rule.

I agree with your sentiment and in general with coaches, what you see is what you get. I never believed that Pulis would change although plenty of posters clung to the notion that he would.

In Darren's defence because his career is in his infancy and he has been given one task which is to steady a rudderless ship then maybe you cannot judge on what we have seen to date. If that is the case we can't judge either way and maybe 6 games is just too few to make a judgement about him being able to step up to the Head Coach role but many of us are happy to do just that.

Darren gets a free pass from the fans because of who is but eventually if we are playing dreary unimaginative football that free pass will run out.  If we ever want to fill those empty seats in the Hawthorns we need to play attractive football or at least not the pig ugly brand associated with the British Old School Gaffers.

I certainly hope that Pardew is not seen as the model for progressive football and therefore used as an excuse to revert to Pulisball. Pardew was an empty suit it doesn't matter what style of football you choose to adopt if you lack basic competence as a coach it won't end well.

I watched Sunday Supplement on Sky yesterday and the London/Manchester based journalists made the point that the Potteries and the Black Country were largely blue collar areas and that their teams e.g. Stoke and ourselves needed to reflect this is in first and foremost be hard working even if the football was not always that pretty.

Setting aside the slightly patronising tone they have a point and plenty of posters on here talk about "putting a shift in" but they miss the bigger picture. Football clubs in blue collar communities are where fans go to be elevated beyond the everyday to dream a little be inspired and nobody dreams of watching Pulisball.

We are desperate for a progressive coach whoever is next has to lay down a style that is just that. The challenge for Darren Moore is if he is appointed he has to be that coach for all the goodwill he has and will continue to have that is where he will have to take us. 

 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 07, 2018, 11:02:31 AM
20 points from the first possible 96.
11 from the next possible 15.

In the words of Paul Robinson if they don't offer it him at least it will be a scandal in my opinion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 07, 2018, 11:13:43 AM
Even Alan Pardew who I'm quite happy to label as one of the worst managers to ever be inflicted upon the club has had spells of 6 games where he has run at 2 points a game or better. We are making a long term decision (hopefully) based on short term results.

It won't be a scandal if the board don't offer him the position.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on May 07, 2018, 11:23:48 AM
Trouble is I find those people who complain about players not putting a shift in are also the same ones that berate players like McClean for not being good enough.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on May 07, 2018, 03:07:45 PM
Even Alan Pardew who I'm quite happy to label as one of the worst managers to ever be inflicted upon the club has had spells of 6 games where he has run at 2 points a game or better. We are making a long term decision (hopefully) based on short term results.

It won't be a scandal if the board don't offer him the position.
will be a scandle if board **** up next pick and Dave shows his capabilities else where, he`s done a fantastic job just to keep us in with a sniff of staying up and your relying on board who left clueless in charge for to long God help us
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2018, 04:33:30 PM
Even Alan Pardew who I'm quite happy to label as one of the worst managers to ever be inflicted upon the club has had spells of 6 games where he has run at 2 points a game or better. We are making a long term decision (hopefully) based on short term results.

It won't be a scandal if the board don't offer him the position.


You infamously said we should name the Hawthorns after Darren if he kept us up...


It will be scandalous if he doesn't get the chance AND the next manager makes a hash of it.



Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 07, 2018, 04:44:01 PM

You infamously said we should name the Hawthorns after Darren if he kept us up...


It will be scandalous if he doesn't get the chance AND the next manager makes a hash of it.
That is easy to say when you don't have the responsibility of making the decision. Personally I don't wants big Dave. We need to change the way we play, to evolve. Its fine  sitting back against elite clubs but next season teams are going to park the bus. Big Dave simply won't be able to handle all the changes that are imminent.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 07, 2018, 05:20:52 PM

You infamously said we should name the Hawthorns after Darren if he kept us up...


It will be scandalous if he doesn't get the chance AND the next manager makes a hash of it.

No just a stand and we still should. We have a chance but it is an 80/1 shot at best.  I'll try not recall the criticism that he shipped post Swansea for dropping a couple of vital points which at the time didn't seem all that vital.

Ultimately whoever comes in may fail and there is nothing to suggest that Darren or is less likely to do so than .

The question is if Darren does keep us up the list at the top of the page changes and do we get seduced by the big names that suddenly become available?  The irony is we could be watching  a new Head Coach's team from the Darren Moore stand.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 07, 2018, 08:22:04 PM
Does anyone remember that famous picture of Dave facing a young Rooney who has his foot on the ball,can't remember the match but a great picture ,grateful if someone could put it up on here.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on May 08, 2018, 07:50:05 AM
Martin Samuels take in the Daily Mail, looking at whether DM should get the job and contrasting his record to those of Appleton and Smith. An interesting read.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5700651/MARTIN-SAMUEL-West-Brom-lack-respect-Darren-Moores-magic-touch.html
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 08, 2018, 08:25:24 AM
He has to be given a year, we could be missing out on a great manager here. Every appointment is a risk.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 08, 2018, 08:26:17 AM
And can we re-run the poll?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: bradleysrocket on May 08, 2018, 09:03:04 AM
Martin Samuels take in the Daily Mail, looking at whether DM should get the job and contrasting his record to those of Appleton and Smith. An interesting read.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5700651/MARTIN-SAMUEL-West-Brom-lack-respect-Darren-Moores-magic-touch.html
Speaks a lot of sense, from somebody not in any way aligned to the club. Obviously ex players have clamoured for Moore, it seems everyone thinks Moore deserves a crack. Everyone except those within the club boardroom. Having read that article it’s hard to see how Appleton is even viewed as a viable alternative at all. Give ‘im a goo.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Backofthenet on May 08, 2018, 09:59:11 AM
Having read the article in The Mail I would tend to agree with Martin Samuels. He speaks a lot of sense and why should the position go to someone 'less deserving' than Darren. He has stepped into the role and as well as out performing both Pulis and Pardew he conducted himself really well in a way that I would want a manger to represent the club.
His after match interviews come across really well, he obviously loves the club and has grown into this job. There are so many reasons why he should have the job and very few why he shouldn't. All this lack of experience business is a poor excuse for not appointing him, whilst the ones with so called experience are not that special anyway. This dithering about could cost us in the long term. The next few weeks will be vital (whatever happens between now and next Sunday) but to retain Darren would be a major statement by the club and show that we actually mean business and will back someone who undoubtedly wants this club to do well, embraces the supporters, can organise and motivate players and has brought smiles back to this club.
To those is charge --JUST GET ON WITH IT.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on May 08, 2018, 10:02:14 AM
I'd agree with that but what about the fans who put the style of football ahead of everything else?   We don't know if Big Dave will play a more expansive game in the future and he is having to work with a squad with limitations - but, IF the way we're playing now is indicative about how we'd play in the future there'll be a lot of unhappy fans around.

Personally, I think the results mean everything - if we're winning and picking up points then people won't care how we play of who's in charge.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on May 08, 2018, 10:35:33 AM
IF Darren is so in tune with the club and the fans he will know that we want more entertaining football, however he doesn't have the tools to make that happen at the moment.
Is he capable of building what we (Standaman and myself to name 2) want? Thats a total unknown, I do believe its too big a gamble to give to a untried coach, BUT put the correct man alongside him and it reduces the risk.

Clough & Taylor, Ferguson and Kidd, Ferguson & Carlos Queiroz, Wenger & Bould, Anfield boot room,  Lone coaches are not the way to sustained success, even the capped one had Kempey FFS !
Yes Darren and Shan seem to be a team but I maintain that somewhere in the organisation we need a mentor if we are going to let Darren take the reins in SUCH an important time in the clubs history.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 08, 2018, 05:05:34 PM
well done indeed to Darren Moore
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 17GD on May 08, 2018, 05:07:31 PM
Fantastic news that he's won Manager of the Month!

No one deserves it more than he does!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: gerry m on May 08, 2018, 05:13:23 PM
Well done Darren :D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on May 08, 2018, 05:17:21 PM
Great news and fully deserved.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2018, 05:19:44 PM
Barclays Premier League Manager of the Month for April 2018.


Superb from the big man.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: hardtobeat on May 08, 2018, 05:29:52 PM
The one thing the appointment of Big D would do is re unify / re connect a club that has become very fractured and divided. No other candidate would be able to do that in as short a space of time regardless of their experience something the board need to take into consideration when making the next , vital appointment
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 08, 2018, 05:36:07 PM
Congratulations Big Dave. Fully deserved.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Critical Baggie on May 08, 2018, 05:40:21 PM
There's only one Big Dave! More than fully deserved, I think it would not be a tragedy we don't ride on this upturn and give him the job for next season now. Just imagine how awful it'd feel if we change and fall into another crap spell given most our squad seem to have issues with getting along with the manager...I say rise on the momentum and give him the job!!

Also really nice touch him brining out all the staff for his award, what a humble gentleman.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 08, 2018, 06:06:32 PM
Congratulations Dave now give him the job!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kirk on May 08, 2018, 06:37:23 PM
It’s a real shame the colour of his skin has been mentioned regarding why he hasn’t been given the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 08, 2018, 06:38:00 PM
No don't give him the job. There is a world of difference between his current role and the one he'd  be expected to carry out next season. Fans are more than happy to concede possession for a result against Man U and Spurs but do that at home to Norwich and Brentford will soon bring the knives out. We have to evolve as a club and this is the perfect opportunity. This is a massive appointment that will determine the next five years or so. We must look at the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tommcneill on May 08, 2018, 06:38:48 PM
Excellent news for Darren..fully deserved

should he get the job FT? If we go down YES, if we stay up? I’m undecided
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 08, 2018, 06:40:15 PM
It’s a real shame the colour of his skin has been mentioned regarding why he hasn’t been given the job.
That's just pathetic to be honest. Some people just can't help themselves.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on May 08, 2018, 07:01:52 PM
It’s a real shame the colour of his skin has been mentioned regarding why he hasn’t been given the job.

As far as I'm aware, the permanent head coach job hasn't been filled yet.

Non white managers in football has been a contentious issue in football circles for some time now, so it was inevitable it would be commented on.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 08, 2018, 07:03:45 PM
After the terrific run of games he engineered, as I said earlier in this thread, I couldn’t think of anyone who deserves it more.

Well done Darren and thank you for restoring pride to the club and the ride of hope!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2018, 07:10:33 PM
As far as I'm aware, the permanent head coach job hasn't been filled yet.

Non white managers in football has been a contentious issue in football circles for some time now, so it was inevitable it would be commented on.


This I do agree with even a club with our rich history is not above scrutiny. Black coaches are under represented and given Moore's record looking from the outside in it must be baffling to other fans and the media that he isn't hot favourite for the position.


We know it's a big job with a big rebuild ahead. Others just see Champions League form against Champions League teams.


The issue was bound to come up.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 08, 2018, 07:15:00 PM
It's an incredible achievement for him. I think he above all will be thinking, 'if only I had taken over sooner'. Tremendous accolade for him and he thoroughly deserves it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: lewisant on May 08, 2018, 07:15:29 PM
It’s a real shame the colour of his skin has been mentioned regarding why he hasn’t been given the job.

I heard a comment, possibly from Liam Rosenior pre-empting that he won't get it because he's black, it could've been somebody else but surely pre-empting racism is a problem too?!

The reasons he may not get it are all here on this board; is he a long term answer? Will he play the right style? Is he ready for a long Championship season where we'll be expected to take the game to teams? If we stay up will he offer evolution of the playing style?

Personally i think we can't judge his style on what he's done so far, he's got it bang on in every game since Swansea and even in that game he stopped the losing streak.

Big well done and deserved award.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: vrabbit on May 08, 2018, 07:18:27 PM
Excellent news for Darren..fully deserved

should he get the job FT? If we go down YES, if we stay up? I’m undecided

this is where I'm at. DM has done an outstanding job with the current group we have given the limitations of the roster. But does have a long term plan in place for next season? He's never done that before so I wonder about that, although admittedly being prepared is not something he fails at. But that is something I'd focus on when considering him as a long term manager in the PL. What's the plan? Surely you're not banking on McClean and Nyom as starters for a full season. How do you deal with Chadli? Many questions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2018, 07:27:10 PM
this is where I'm at. DM has done an outstanding job with the current group we have given the limitations of the roster. But does have a long term plan in place for next season? He's never done that before so I wonder about that, although admittedly being prepared is not something he fails at. But that is something I'd focus on when considering him as a long term manager in the PL. What's the plan? Surely you're not banking on McClean and Nyom as starters for a full season. How do you deal with Chadli? Many questions.


In the Championship this is the least of our worries, both will be far above average in their respective positions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 08, 2018, 07:28:24 PM
How very typical of the man

Darren Moore Shares Premier League Manager Of The Month Prize With Over 100 Staff


Source: http://www.sportbible.com/football/news-reactions-darren-moore-shares-pl-manager-of-the-month-prize-with-over-100-staff-20180508
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: vrabbit on May 08, 2018, 07:49:08 PM

In the Championship this is the least of our worries, both will be far above average in their respective positions.

granted, but my questions were in the scenario where we actually pull off the survival to remain in the PL
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggies_24 on May 08, 2018, 07:50:04 PM
Brilliant achievement delighted for the big man. I’d give him the job but I’d want the club to support him with an experienced first team coach and a strong director of football who can provide the support and structure he will need to succeed next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 08, 2018, 08:07:04 PM
How very typical of the man

Darren Moore Shares Premier League Manager Of The Month Prize With Over 100 Staff


Source: http://www.sportbible.com/football/news-reactions-darren-moore-shares-pl-manager-of-the-month-prize-with-over-100-staff-20180508
He is a genuinely lovely man he really is. As a human being people really should look at him and use him as a role model. Arguably the nicest most down to earth and genuine man you'll ever come across.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 08, 2018, 08:28:18 PM
No don't give him the job. There is a world of difference between his current role and the one he'd  be expected to carry out next season. Fans are more than happy to concede possession for a result against Man U and Spurs but do that at home to Norwich and Brentford will soon bring the knives out. We have to evolve as a club and this is the perfect opportunity. This is a massive appointment that will determine the next five years or so. We must look at the bigger picture.

He is doing what he needs to do to get results now. I don't think the tactics of this season shed any light on the tactics he would impose next season if he got the job full time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 08, 2018, 08:30:59 PM
He is doing what he needs to do to get results now. I don't think the tactics of this season shed any light on the tactics he would impose next season if he got the job full time.


Spot on. He's adapted to every game tactically. Anyone who wants to go toe to toe with United Liverpool and Spurs is either naive or stupid.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 08, 2018, 08:37:02 PM

Spot on. He's adapted to every game tactically. Anyone who wants to go toe to toe with United Liverpool and Spurs is either naive or stupid.

His substitutions and in game management has been excellent as well. He's really shown a knack for tactical awareness. I really think we are witnessing the birth of an excellent man manager with excellent tactical awareness. It is a bigger risk to let him go than it is to give him the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 17GD on May 08, 2018, 08:39:36 PM
It’s a real shame the colour of his skin has been mentioned regarding why he hasn’t been given the job.

Some people will cling onto anything to try to raise this issue. Never mind the fact he has been put in charge now, that doesn't count does it...

The racism card is a real bug bear of mine. Maybe because I've been on the receiving end of racism from PoC so much.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 08, 2018, 08:46:08 PM
If Dave becomes our manager it proves once more that our club is in the vanguard.
He will get it on merit not his colour,that's it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 08, 2018, 08:48:28 PM
I've not seen or heard nor have i myself even once considered his colour.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: johnwilliamso20 on May 08, 2018, 09:14:57 PM
I've not seen or heard nor have i myself even once considered his colour.

Kevin Campbell has been at it too.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11363161/darren-moore8217s-west-brom-future-why-would-he-not-get-the-job
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: vrabbit on May 08, 2018, 09:41:20 PM
now that we're officially headed to the Championship I'm 100% behind giving this to job to DM.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 08, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
now that we're officially headed to the Championship I'm 100% behind giving this to job to DM.


GIVE HIM THE JOB.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 08, 2018, 11:14:19 PM

Spot on. He's adapted to every game tactically. Anyone who wants to go toe to toe with United Liverpool and Spurs is either naive or stupid.

Precisely the qualities you need for the Chumps.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: saml30 on May 09, 2018, 05:21:19 AM

In the Championship this is the least of our worries, both will be far above average in their respective positions.

I feel your one of theses people underestimating just how hard the championship is these days, it’s a different monster since we were last here, for me neither of them will be good enough
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: swad35 on May 09, 2018, 06:38:01 AM
His substitutions and in game management has been excellent as well. He's really shown a knack for tactical awareness. I really think we are witnessing the birth of an excellent man manager with excellent tactical awareness. It is a bigger risk to let him go than it is to give him the job.

Couldn't agree more, not a reason to take him solely but imagine he might get a few offers at the end of the season. Wouldn't want to face him in the championship. I find myself checking myself that I'm not getting too carried away with him as our manager but I think he will be a success. My only question mark is in the transfer market, with his lack of experience but I'm sure he will have others to help. To be honest after recent efforts he might be a breathe of fresh air there to.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on May 09, 2018, 10:47:46 AM
My only doubt with Big Dave getting the job is not even down to his ability.

What concerns me is how much player power there seems to be, yes some are backing Big Dave which is great, but i also think its quite disgraceful that they seemed to down tools under Pulis and Pardew (both who wasnt blameless) but then as its a manager they now like they seem to be trying again.

This wasnt one or two players who stopped under Pulis and Pardew, that happens at most clubs, it seemed it was a lot of the squad, what happens if things go sour for a bit under Moore (and they will, it happens at all clubs) do these players then just down tools again til they get another manager they play for.

This is where the tough bit will be for Big Dave, he probably has to take into account how some of these players performed and their mentality under Pulis and Pardew and get rid of them, he saw it for himself.

It may even be some of those who have supported him but i think there seems to be too much player power and i think they need to be got rid of, even if it means making some unpopular decisions.

For all the efforts the last few weeks (and they have done brilliant) it cannot disguise that for 7 and half months of the season the players have been rubbish and on various occasions not even seemed to try, yet on paper we looked to have a strong squad and they have shown the last month that actually they can actually play a bit and can be a decent side, however the fact remains for majority of the season they werent at it and we are now relegated.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 09, 2018, 11:03:53 AM
I did wonder how bad Morrison and Chadli's injuries have been and was the prolonged sick bay anything to do with attitude?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on May 09, 2018, 11:15:09 AM
6 games undefeated when we are as good as down doesn't swing it for me. The players who couldn't give a toss all season are playing for a move.
Next week most of them will be saying, See ya Big Dave.
Is Darren Moore the man to rebuild the team?
Let's not let our love of Darren Moore cloud our judgement.
Tony Barton, Brian Little, Brian Talbot, all did well initially as stand in's.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jack Thrust on May 09, 2018, 11:33:35 AM
It's interesting that apparently only our players are playing for a move and not those at Stoke or Swansea.

For me Darren has to get the job, he seems to me to embody everything we have been lacking this season. Commitment, professionalism, passion and pride in the club. Take some time to read what people who know him have been saying about his coaching credentials. He started down this road when he was still a player, he hasn't just ended up in this position accidentally and equally accidentally made a success of it. He knows what he is doing and he has known that this is what he wanted for many years.

I think people are making assumptions about his ability based on the fact he is a "nice guy", however I definitely think he has got some inner steel. He certainly wasn't a "nice guy" on the pitch in his playing days I remember him as giving the opposition no quarter. I have no doubt that as a coach he would be able to bring a whinging prima donna down a peg or two if need be.

That Darren's success has happened with us is a happy coincidence for both parties and we should be making the most of this opportunity in my view.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 09, 2018, 12:09:36 PM
It's interesting that apparently only our players are playing for a move and not those at Stoke or Swansea.

For me Darren has to get the job, he seems to me to embody everything we have been lacking this season. Commitment, professionalism, passion and pride in the club. Take some time to read what people who know him have been saying about his coaching credentials. He started down this road when he was still a player, he hasn't just ended up in this position accidentally and equally accidentally made a success of it. He knows what he is doing and he has known that this is what he wanted for many years.

I think people are making assumptions about his ability based on the fact he is a "nice guy", however I definitely think he has got some inner steel. He certainly wasn't a "nice guy" on the pitch in his playing days I remember him as giving the opposition no quarter. I have no doubt that as a coach he would be able to bring a whinging prima donna down a peg or two if need be.

That's a convincing case to be fair, I did have reservations somewhat about whether he has the inner steel to deal with egos and bad attitude.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 09, 2018, 12:21:34 PM
I feel your one of theses people underestimating just how hard the championship is these days, it’s a different monster since we were last here, for me neither of them will be good enough


Going off topic but it's the opposite you are overestimating our task. The Championship is bilge.


Nyom for example is a better right full back than Doherty who has just won the league.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Backofthenet on May 09, 2018, 12:21:45 PM
In this day and age people tend to rise to the top because they have some grit and determination as well as having to sort a few people out en route.
I would think that Darren has come across a few in his rise to where he is that he has had to 'overcome'.
The fact that he is where he is now proves to me that he is capable of sorting out players with over inflated ego's. After all he has side lined Evans for the last period of time which was something Pardew failed to do. I believe he will be a complete breath of fresh air and the best solution all round would be to give him the job permanently before Sundays game and then all the rumours and conjecture will be over with and Darren can get on with what he obviously does best - Manage our club.

The longer this goes on the more it becomes a soap opera and we don't need another of those.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jack Thrust on May 09, 2018, 12:53:13 PM
As further evidence of Darren's "inner steel" I present this extract from In Pastures Green by Chris Lepcowski where Sir Bob Taylor recounts an encounter between Moore and Clinton Morrison before THAT game in 2002.

“For some reason, Clinton Morrison wanted to humiliate us,” said Taylor. “He’d come out with some rubbish during the week and the manager stuck the clippings on the board. Mooro put Morrison in his place before the game. He was heading off to Japan and Korea with Ireland for the World Cup and Mooro just went over, glared at him and said: ‘Do you want to go to the World Cup or not?’ Mooro didn’t need to say any more. He just glared and that was it. Morrison barely touched the ball."
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tylerm on May 09, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
My heart would love Darren Moore to get the job and he has done a fantastic job for the last few games.
However, he has done well by reverting to the style played by Pulis, which to a certain extent worked against the top clubs, ie limited possession and make the most of set pieces. I want us to progress from that, we will need to in the championship, and have majority of possession and be dangerous in open play. Can Darren change the style to that and buy the players to make it happen. Not sure.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: koren on May 09, 2018, 01:45:23 PM
We should be relegated much earlier, it's Moore to keep our dream alive for few more weeks.
No matter he get the job permanently or not, he really deserves big credit and I want to say a big thank you to him.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on May 09, 2018, 01:59:54 PM
Darren Moore should be offered the position.

The evidence is there to support his abilities. Just like the evidence was there last season to show us that Pulis was on the beach and had no intention of moving forward, or the evidence after our first two fortunate wins at the start of the season that he had gone past his sell by date, or the evidence that Pardew was not up to the task with his appalling results and leadership, Darren has stepped up to the mark and delivered. When he was first appointed all we wanted was to have a modicum of pride restored. He has more than delivered that.

I think he should be offered the position for the start of next season. If it looks as though we are not going in the right direction then we consider a restructure, but I think that he has more than earned the chance to manage the team, assuming he wants it of course.

Whichever way this goes, I would like to thank Darren for what he has done so far - magnificent.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wba_1996 on May 09, 2018, 04:42:31 PM

Going off topic but it's the opposite you are overestimating our task. The Championship is bilge.


Nyom for example is a better right full back than Doherty who has just won the league.

Got to agree to an extent, take Neves, Jota, Boly and Cavaleiro out of that Wolves squad (who are exceptional players at Championship standard) and there isn't a single player that would get in our current starting XI. The likes of Ruddy, Doherty, Bennett, Batth, Douglas, Coady etc. are absolute dross at PL level but they get away with it because they have a handful of players that are far too good for the Championship. The issue we have, is that our players who are far too good for the Championship (Chadli, Rondon, Evans etc.) won't be sticking around. The likes of Nyom and McClean are fine if you have a few Chadli's or Jota's in your team, but there's every chance that we won't have those sort of players next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jimmy on May 09, 2018, 04:46:03 PM
Not going to lie, I am absolutely gutted we are going down. Saying that though, Darren Moore allowed us to go down with some honour intact.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Cantello on May 09, 2018, 06:18:29 PM
Darren Moore should be offered the position.

The evidence is there to support his abilities. Just like the evidence was there last season to show us that Pulis was on the beach and had no intention of moving forward, or the evidence after our first two fortunate wins at the start of the season that he had gone past his sell by date, or the evidence that Pardew was not up to the task with his appalling results and leadership, Darren has stepped up to the mark and delivered. When he was first appointed all we wanted was to have a modicum of pride restored. He has more than delivered that.

I think he should be offered the position for the start of next season. If it looks as though we are not going in the right direction then we consider a restructure, but I think that he has more than earned the chance to manage the team, assuming he wants it of course.

Whichever way this goes, I would like to thank Darren for what he has done so far - magnificent.   

Another very eloquent argument.  The evidence is staring us in the face.  We all wanted our club back, didn’t we? Our club is embodied in Darren Moore.  We’d be crazy not to take the risk with him.  It may be a steep learning curve in the championship, but he’d have so much goodwill behind him. A massive vote for DM here.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 10, 2018, 07:49:35 AM
Discussing whether Darren should be given the Head Coaches job at West Brom on TalkSport now, Alan Brazil Show
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 10, 2018, 08:12:57 AM
Another very eloquent argument.  The evidence is staring us in the face.  We all wanted our club back, didn’t we? Our club is embodied in Darren Moore.  We’d be crazy not to take the risk with him.  It may be a steep learning curve in the championship, but he’d have so much goodwill behind him. A massive vote for DM here.
A lot of us want positive football too to be entertained. The way Darren has set up his teams hasn't shown he is capable of delivering that. it won't matter when we beat Man Utd playing that way but it will matter when we're playing the likes of Millwall and Ipswich.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on May 10, 2018, 08:39:09 AM
A lot of us want positive football too to be entertained. The way Darren has set up his teams hasn't shown he is capable of delivering that. it won't matter when we beat Man Utd playing that way but it will matter when we're playing the likes of Millwall and Ipswich.

So perhaps he will change his tactics accordingly. He should be given the chance.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 10, 2018, 08:47:49 AM
Remains a massive no from me.

Ultimately he may be given the job and prove me wrong, and if he were given the job I would love for him to prove me wrong, I can't think of many former players who are held in the same esteem as Big Dave with our fans, perhaps only Bomber and Super Bob of those still alive so all i would want is for him to succeed.

Sadly, I just cannot look past the circumstances surrounding the upturn in form and what would be required moving forward and for me it points to bringing in someone who has the experience to deal with what is to come, not someone to learn on the job. It is a unique set of circumstances, there was no pressure on the players when he took charge, they were clearly glad to see the back of Pardew and as a man Big Dave is loved by all, who couldn't love him, and so the players were always going to put the effort in for him (questions raised as to why they weren't putting it in before despite the manager). There is no denying the achievement, but the pressure will be right back on for next season with whoever is in charge, we will be one of the favourites to win the league, rightly so, and therefore the goalposts completely change. We need someone who has experience of at least planning for an entire season, whatever the level, and the dealing with the turbulent times that a full season brings.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on May 10, 2018, 09:25:57 AM
As further evidence of Darren's "inner steel" I present this extract from In Pastures Green by Chris Lepcowski where Sir Bob Taylor recounts an encounter between Moore and Clinton Morrison before THAT game in 2002.

“For some reason, Clinton Morrison wanted to humiliate us,” said Taylor. “He’d come out with some rubbish during the week and the manager stuck the clippings on the board. Mooro put Morrison in his place before the game. He was heading off to Japan and Korea with Ireland for the World Cup and Mooro just went over, glared at him and said: ‘Do you want to go to the World Cup or not?’ Mooro didn’t need to say any more. He just glared and that was it. Morrison barely touched the ball."
Very good point mate. A lot of people seem to want to wrap him up in cotton wool, and not offer him the job, to "protect" him from failure. Well the above proves that there is a different side to him and, just because he's a calm and humble, decent guy it does not mean he is weak.
Physically, the bloke is a man mountain, but I think his inner strength is his biggest asset.
I also think, because he is more in tune with the players and the fans, rather than consumed by his own ego, like both Pardew and Pulis, he will be more flexible and open to new ideas. That makes him the perfect fit to lead us into the new season, IMO
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: miggybaggy on May 10, 2018, 09:35:56 AM
Jesus, a lot of posters are making very eloquent and persuasive arguments in favour of, and against appointing Darren Moore. I have a pounding headache!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on May 10, 2018, 10:15:06 AM
Remains a massive no from me.

Ultimately he may be given the job and prove me wrong, and if he were given the job I would love for him to prove me wrong, I can't think of many former players who are held in the same esteem as Big Dave with our fans, perhaps only Bomber and Super Bob of those still alive so all i would want is for him to succeed.

Sadly, I just cannot look past the circumstances surrounding the upturn in form and what would be required moving forward and for me it points to bringing in someone who has the experience to deal with what is to come, not someone to learn on the job. It is a unique set of circumstances, there was no pressure on the players when he took charge, they were clearly glad to see the back of Pardew and as a man Big Dave is loved by all, who couldn't love him, and so the players were always going to put the effort in for him (questions raised as to why they weren't putting it in before despite the manager). There is no denying the achievement, but the pressure will be right back on for next season with whoever is in charge, we will be one of the favourites to win the league, rightly so, and therefore the goalposts completely change. We need someone who has experience of at least planning for an entire season, whatever the level, and the dealing with the turbulent times that a full season brings.


My feelings entirely. He had no pressure on him at all because we were dead men walking.
The teams we got points from probably thought they only had to turn up.
This might seem harsh but next season there will be huge pressure and expectation from the owner as well as from the fans.
Tony Mowbray once said he would hate to manage Boro in case he was a failure. Well he did and he was.
I would hate to see it happen to Big Dave.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jordie1471 on May 10, 2018, 10:22:43 AM
I'd still prefer somebody with more coaching experience and qualifications than Big Dave at this moment in time.

Judging him on us picking up a handful of results at the end of a season against teams with nothing to play for is borderline pointless.

Thats not to say we can't be successful next season with him as head coach, but i'd just rather go for someone thats perceived to be less of a gamble

There is a whole world of head coaches out there we should be exploring and scouting out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 10, 2018, 10:24:01 AM
A lot of us want positive football too to be entertained. The way Darren has set up his teams hasn't shown he is capable of delivering that. it won't matter when we beat Man Utd playing that way but it will matter when we're playing the likes of Millwall and Ipswich.

Sorry but this just wrong. You have no way of proving how Moore would approach a 46 game season tactically.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 10, 2018, 10:31:23 AM
Sorry but this just wrong. You have no way of proving how Moore would approach a 46 game season tactically.


It isn't wrong because you have no idea how he would approach it either. The only evidence any of us have is his mind set during the run in. His approach has been to use senior pro's, concede possession and with increasing regularity use the long ball option. Against Spurs we barely passed the ball at all.

Next season is going to need a completely different style of management and a completely different mind set that supporters will also need to buy into. The noises coming from out of the club suggest that they realise the need for progression which is the correct approach. I think supporters need to also understand that need.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mikkyk on May 10, 2018, 10:52:04 AM
Ultimately it's a risk either way.

If we appoint him, it's a risk that the last few games have been a flash in the pan, he won't be able to adapt tactically to the championship and won't be able to manage a squad across an entire season.

If we don't appoint him, it's a risk we appoint another duff and let go a potentially very good manager.

Unfortunately we don't know which way it's going to go - we just have to hope the guys that get paid to make the right decision finally get one right!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on May 10, 2018, 11:03:32 AM
I would like to see him get the job, if it dont work it dont work but that applies for any manager coming in.

Big Dave may not even want the job, but if he does its hard to see what else he could of actually done.

When he took over there was apathy at the games like i cannot remember before, Big Dave changed all that but he could only do that with the players buying into what he was doing, ultimately we all love Big Dave but its only the blokes on the pitch who can change the mood with their performances and they did.

Whether it was pressure was off, we were already down, teams took us too easy, they hated Pardew / Pulis, the fact remains the players have put in performances under Moore (serious questions need to be asked why they hadnt before) Players seem to buy into what he is trying to do and nowadays players have too much power for that to be ignored.

Big Dave has made the best of a crap situation, he has gone back to the methods that kept these players up comfortably for the two previous seasons which in turn gave us a slight chance of staying up that we didnt have a month ago, i would say that is very good coaching and management to do that.

In 5 months Pardew couldnt get us to be a good footballing side so no way Big Dave was going to in 5 weeks, he dealt with the situation as it was.

We need a rebuild and yes he may lack experience but the one big advantage he has is that he knows these players, he has been a assistant coach, first team coach and now a manager so he has worked with these for a while now and so will know their strengths and weaknesses and who needs to be shipped out, also i believe he had a strong role in the academy setup so if him and Jimmy Shan dont know if / who the players who could step up, nobody will!

None of us know what style he will play, none of know if he will be a success or failure but i personally feel after a trial audition the last month he has earnt the right to have a go at the top job if he wants it, the club needed uniting, Big Dave could do a lot regarding that just by being Big Dave but from the admittedly small evidence so far, he looks as though he can coach and manage too.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on May 10, 2018, 11:09:01 AM

It isn't wrong because you have no idea how he would approach it either. The only evidence any of us have is his mind set during the run in. His approach has been to use senior pro's, concede possession and with increasing regularity use the long ball option. Against Spurs we barely passed the ball at all.

Next season is going to need a completely different style of management and a completely different mind set that supporters will also need to buy into. The noises coming from out of the club suggest that they realise the need for progression which is the correct approach. I think supporters need to also understand that need.


Do you think that could be down to the limited resources available and what they have been trained to do for the last three years? He can hardly turn them into Barcelona overnight can he?

BTW, I do understand the need for next season :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: DaveWBA on May 10, 2018, 11:26:36 AM

It isn't wrong because you have no idea how he would approach it either. The only evidence any of us have is his mind set during the run in. His approach has been to use senior pro's, concede possession and with increasing regularity use the long ball option. Against Spurs we barely passed the ball at all.

Next season is going to need a completely different style of management and a completely different mind set that supporters will also need to buy into. The noises coming from out of the club suggest that they realise the need for progression which is the correct approach. I think supporters need to also understand that need.

He's chosen a style of play that suited the players at his disposal and the opposition we were facing. Almost every manager in the league faces up to the likes of Spurs, United and Liverpool in this way. Pardew being the exception because he's batshit mental.

The board have made statements alluding to the need to change the style of football we play. This will be a condition of the new appointment and it will be up to the new Head Coach and recruitment team to assemble a squad of players capable of playing in this manner.

To question his tactical nouse after he has just earned 1/3 of our points in five games this season is a bit disrespectful to the man.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on May 10, 2018, 11:47:13 AM
A lot of us want positive football too to be entertained. The way Darren has set up his teams hasn't shown he is capable of delivering that. it won't matter when we beat Man Utd playing that way but it will matter when we're playing the likes of Millwall and Ipswich.
I thought Pards bought us entertaining and positive football :) I mean wasn’t entertainment the highest value for a lot of fans.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jack Thrust on May 10, 2018, 12:00:19 PM
Remains a massive no from me.

Ultimately he may be given the job and prove me wrong, and if he were given the job I would love for him to prove me wrong, I can't think of many former players who are held in the same esteem as Big Dave with our fans, perhaps only Bomber and Super Bob of those still alive so all i would want is for him to succeed.

Sadly, I just cannot look past the circumstances surrounding the upturn in form and what would be required moving forward and for me it points to bringing in someone who has the experience to deal with what is to come, not someone to learn on the job. It is a unique set of circumstances, there was no pressure on the players when he took charge, they were clearly glad to see the back of Pardew and as a man Big Dave is loved by all, who couldn't love him, and so the players were always going to put the effort in for him (questions raised as to why they weren't putting it in before despite the manager). There is no denying the achievement, but the pressure will be right back on for next season with whoever is in charge, we will be one of the favourites to win the league, rightly so, and therefore the goalposts completely change. We need someone who has experience of at least planning for an entire season, whatever the level, and the dealing with the turbulent times that a full season brings.

I can totally understand that point of view, as well as the uncertainty about how Moore would approach altering our playing style away from the current defensively focussed, nick a goal from a set piece.

I sincerely hope that Moore and the board are having detailed discussions about their plans for next season and that these plans align.

If the Board decide that they want to go with someone else and they hire an interesting prospect like Dean Smith or Potter or the like although i'll be disappointed I will be reasonably happy with that, get behind the new manager, and hope that Moore remains at the club in a coaching capacity.

If however we turn down Moore and hire an Allardyce or similar i'll burn all my Albion shirts.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 10, 2018, 12:35:14 PM
I'd still prefer somebody with more coaching experience and qualifications than Big Dave at this moment in time.

Judging him on us picking up a handful of results at the end of a season against teams with nothing to play for is borderline pointless.

Thats not to say we can't be successful next season with him as head coach, but i'd just rather go for someone thats perceived to be less of a gamble

There is a whole world of head coaches out there we should be exploring and scouting out.

whilst I tend to agree with your overall statement; Liverpool, Man Utd and Spurs all needed points to guarantee top 4 finishes, Swansea needed points to fight relegation, so only Newcastle could be said to have "nothing" to play for.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 10, 2018, 01:17:46 PM
Sorry but this just wrong. You have no way of proving how Moore would approach a 46 game season tactically.

Agreed totally. None of us can assume he is going to be a great success or failure, but if he wants it and gets offered it, I'd much rather the devil we knew. The last four experienced appointments have been utter dog sh1t3. Let's give it to the boy with loyalty and passion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 18, 2018, 04:07:32 PM
May as well move discussions to this thread now that it is official.

Seemingly confirmed on the official Twitter account.

Made my views clear last night, certainly not my choice for the job and I believe this will end in utter disaster and will ruin the image of one of my heroes when it comes to the parting of the ways during the course of this season, but I shall get fully behind him and the team and pray that in seven months Jacko is quoting this post with a ' ;D ' as he steers us to the top of the table with consummate ease.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 18, 2018, 04:10:34 PM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/may/moore-appointed-head-coach/

ALBION are delighted to confirm the appointment of Darren Moore as the Club’s new Head Coach.

Darren has agreed an improved and extended contract to lead the Club in its efforts to make as swift a return as possible to the Premier League.

The 44-year-old’s stewardship over the final six games of the 2017/18 Premier League campaign saw a dramatic improvement in the team’s form and results.

Announcing the decision today, Chief Executive Mark Jenkins said the impression Darren made across all areas of the Club delivered a powerful case for his promotion to Head Coach.

“We are delighted to confirm Darren as our new Head Coach and we look forward to his continuing the excellent work we saw when he stepped into the role in an interim capacity in the first week of April,” said Mark.

“He embodies the spirit of the Club and the spirit of what we are striving to achieve in this new chapter ahead.

“We conducted a thorough process of recruitment but Darren’s powerful impact on the pitch and across all areas of the Club established him as the outstanding candidate.

“We suffered a torrid season but if there was a redeeming feature it was to see Darren at work over those final weeks, galvanising the Club and getting everyone positive again.

“We all know we have a challenging summer ahead of us but from talking at length to Darren about his plans, they are challenges he is ready to meet head on.”

'Mooro’ completes the journey from promotion-winning player to Head Coach in a 17-year link that has established him as one of the most popular figures to serve The Hawthorns in modern times.

His efforts in his most recent capacity saw him named as the Premier League’s Manager of the Month after that memorable sequence of results which brought victories over Manchester United, Newcastle and Tottenham.

He will set about assembling his backroom team as a priority before finalising plans for pre-season and working closely with Technical Consultant Giuliano Terraneo over player recruitment.

Darren said: “I am obviously extremely proud to accept this role and also extremely excited.

“We have a big summer ahead of us, a lot of hard work we need to get in now. I’m going all out to try to get those plans and personnel in place to make sure we’ve got everything ready.

“And we need to be because this is a tough league packed with great clubs. But what an opportunity for us to move the club in the right direction.”
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 18, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
congrats Darren, a great cheap option, fingers crossed it goes well for you.Your now under pressure. I hope you have some recruitment pulling power. please dont buy all cloggers some footballers and pace would be nice
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2018, 04:20:36 PM
Well done Albion fkd it up again. Jenkins' comments worth absolutely zilch. Albion piss  me off everytime we have the chance to really progress we turn it down. However it's not Big Dave's fault and I will be behind him 100%.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: miggybaggy on May 18, 2018, 04:23:42 PM
Very very good luck Darren.

Now, the board have made a brave decision....but they're also going to have to back you with some serious funding to rebuild a squad in keeping with our traditional values. I really hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on May 18, 2018, 04:24:09 PM
All the best Darren you have a big job ahead of you so here's to successful seasons ahead for you & the team.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on May 18, 2018, 04:26:41 PM
We all know that a rebuild is needed and Big Daves lacks experience.

Obviously it isnt ideal however out the candidates linked - Smith, Johnson, McInnes, Appleton, Shakespeare, i dont think one of those has a promotion on their CV as it stands so any rebuilding they have done hasnt achieved what we want so they are no guarentees.

Out the others, Mick McCarthy has rebuilding and promotion experience but i think his style would be an issue to fans, Graham Potter does in Sweden but again would be a huge risk as thats nothing like the championship.

The advantage Big Dave has over these is that he knows half the squad, is liked and respected and so will make the transition easier (hopefully) for bedding new players in.

Also i know people say the cheap option, we have just spunked a load of money on Pulis and Pardew who were expensive options, we had cheaper options previous in Mowbray and RDM who worked out fine, of course we also had Roy who would of been expensive, we could of paid loads and got Big Sam (thankfully we didnt), its not about the cheapest or most expensive, its who the best option is, i think even our playing staff, by and large the more expensive ones have been the biggest let downs.

Maybe that Terraneo bloke looked at candidates and decided that the bloke currently there was infact the best option.

Big Dave may well be a disaster, i think we all have reservations, but i think we will all wish him well, but for those who have already decided he is a terrible appointment seems a bit OTT.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2018, 04:28:11 PM
Well done Albion fkd it up again. Jenkins' comments worth absolutely zilch. Albion piss  me off everytime we have the chance to really progress we turn it down. However it's not Big Dave's fault and I will be behind him 100%.

Sorry but while I have my reservations that is way over the top. Darren Moore made a strong case for his promotion maybe I would have preferred a different candidate but this is not the terrible decision you paint it as being. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on May 18, 2018, 04:31:13 PM
Young , hungry , ambitious , knows the Club inside out , got performances out of a toxic set of players .
We could have done a lot worse like a McCarthy or another Pardew so I'm fine with Moore having the job , just as important is the staff he is given to work with.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2018, 04:31:48 PM
Sorry but while I have my reservations that is way over the top. Darren Moore made a strong case for his promotion maybe I would have preferred a different candidate but this is not the terrible decision you paint it as being.
My bet is he'll be gone by Christmas and the club will be scrambling  around desperate for a manager they could and should have appointed now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 18, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
My bet is he'll be gone by Christmas and the club will be scrambling  around desperate for a manager they could and should have appointed now.


Remind me please who was your preferred option?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2018, 04:33:52 PM

Remind me please who was your preferred option?
Look it up
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: stever60 on May 18, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Well done Albion fkd it up again. Jenkins' comments worth absolutely zilch. Albion piss  me off everytime we have the chance to really progress we turn it down. However it's not Big Dave's fault and I will be behind him 100%.
We haven't kicked a ball in the new season yet. Big Dave did more than the dead beats that went before him. Needs to be given every chance and support. There are no guarantees in football. Just because he isn't the big name a lot of supporters maybe hoped for (and I dont get the Smith love in) he has the club at heart so I for one wish him all the best!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on May 18, 2018, 04:35:37 PM
On a side note, just having a look and the general opinion of other fans is wishing Big Dave all the best (The Dogheads excepted of course, they believing they are something superior once again, it tends to happen every few years, look forward to normal service being resumed)

However after a few years of being labelled anti football under Pulis, its nice to see some pride restored to our club.

Think Big Dave is just one of those blokes that people warm too, there seems a lot of goodwill to him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Jack Thrust on May 18, 2018, 04:36:57 PM
I'm really pleased, absolutely deserves this chance to show what he's got. He's Albion through and through.

I can't help but wonder if he had been caretaker of Stoke for their last 6 games and got similar results whether some of the negative voices would be clamouring for us to appoint him before we miss out.

I think he will be a success, but that is only my opinion of course hence why I've stated it as such rather than as fact. Some people would do well to remember the difference.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2018, 04:37:57 PM
We haven't kicked a ball in the new season yet. Big Dave did more than the dead beats that went before him. Needs to be given every chance and support. There are no guarantees in football. Just because he isn't the big name a lot of supporters maybe hoped for (and I dont get the Smith love in) he has the club at heart so I for one wish him all the best!
No one was after a BIG name. Who?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 17GD on May 18, 2018, 04:40:51 PM
Very happy! Congrats big man!

All aboard the Moore Express!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on May 18, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
I've wanted the Albion to make a brave appointment for years , last one was probably Mowbray .
It may go wrong but how many years do managers last these days ?  Well done Dave , just hope the club support him with staff and players .
If he fails it certainly won't be through lack of effort unlike the last berk.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: bangkokbaggie on May 18, 2018, 04:43:08 PM
Well this should shut Sol Campbell up after his recent comments!

Have mixed feelings about this appointment and not sure how this fits in with the recent club announcement of a more attacking approach on the field.

I'm even more confused by the appointment of Giuliano Terraneo and what his actual purpose will be.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on May 18, 2018, 04:45:42 PM
He's one of us. He's a natural leader with a lot to learn but with the humility to do it. Hope he's supported with the right players / team around him.

Well done Big Dave!

COYB

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 18, 2018, 04:58:03 PM
Well this should shut Sol Campbell up after his recent comments!

Have mixed feelings about this appointment and not sure how this fits in with the recent club announcement of a more attacking approach on the field.

I'm even more confused by the appointment of Giuliano Terraneo and what his actual purpose will be.
Stuff Sol Campbell and Kevin Campbell the FA should be dealing with them but they don't have the bottle. To even suggest that Big Dave's colour should be influential in his getting the job is an insult and I'm absolutely certain that Darren would be appalled at any suggestion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HamsteadHarry on May 18, 2018, 05:04:22 PM
Good luck Darren.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wbastrollers on May 18, 2018, 05:07:01 PM
Actually, he gave the board no choice, he had the players and the fans behind him and as a unit they proved that there was bond. The board in fairness had to give Darren Moore the opportunity to see how far he could take this new found rejuvenation within the Club.
 It was noticeable that in all the after match interviews Darren gave, he always mentioned the team spirit within the Club, not just the players on the pitch.
We also need to remember that the players were fully behind him, because he understood the way they played  best, therfore, they were prepared to give everything for the cause until all hope was gone.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: don1thedon on May 18, 2018, 05:14:49 PM
Boing boing big fella so pleased for you.
Its clear you won't have any easy ride but you've never shirked challenges in the past so I am confident that you will give it everything. I would so love to be chanting your name as we get promotion next year (don't care how!) but you have a lot of work to do before then as have the team that you will be assembling around you as the club is rebuilt from the shambles we became recently.
110% support you Darren, your love of this club is clear, lets hope you continue to demonstrate a successful career managing West Brom - Good luck!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 18, 2018, 05:15:17 PM
I wish Darren all the best and he'll have my backing. One thing we can say for definite is that he'll get more than the usual amount of leeway from our fans. I look forward to hearing more details from him about his plans in several respects for next season. All I've seen from him in that regard so far since his appointment is "we need resilience, focus, dedication, hard work....", which sounds rather Pulis-like....

What I really want to see done away with (and I've already seen it in the new manager thread) is the "we need to do whatever it takes to achieve...." mentality regarding our style of play. You could apply this to all scenarios we could ever find ourselves in and I utterly refute the implication contained in such statements that crap, defensive football is necessary/acceptable to achieve things. Wolves have shown that you can get out of this division with an attacking approach and Fulham have got to the play-off final whilst playing attractive football. It's time to throw off the shackles of 3 years under Pulis folks and cast aside fear football forever!  :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Barrington on May 18, 2018, 05:15:46 PM
Really happy that they've given the job to Moore. He's proven in his short time in charge that he's a good motivator and managed to pick up a good amount of points against some good opposition.

He also has a love for the club and managed to bring the fans a bit closer to the club in his short stint in charge.

I'm really glad that someone at the club has had the balls to offer the job to someone without a long established career in management, rather than going down the route of lining the pockets of one of the old guard of merry go round folk.

He's not going to be on his own either. He'll now have the chance to pick up some back-room staff.

Wishing him all the best, and I think he'll do well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: gerry m on May 18, 2018, 05:18:34 PM
It's going to be a tough job but good luck Darren.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Regis Rocket on May 18, 2018, 05:22:27 PM
Big dave deserves his chance after his good run and has club at heart. If he doesn't hack it after 10 games or so he can go back to coaching then we can bring someone in. If he does well then we all win. I know its risky but imagine if we did it the other way round and appointed say Dean Smith and it didn't work out. We'd all be saying dave should have been given a chance. We may have stumbled across the man to do the job besides there's a saying 'it it ain't broke don't fix it'. Congratulations and let's prove everyone right big dave.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: vrabbit on May 18, 2018, 05:23:47 PM
happy with this, right move at the right time, interested to learn more about his overall philsophy
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie004 on May 18, 2018, 05:39:37 PM
Very happy Baggie here!  Done all he could with a very under achieving squad.  Turned the entire place around, team, staff, fans, coaches, etc.  No one was left without a little bit of hope in the last 6 weeks of the season.  He was my first choice, although I admit i didn't think it would happen and we would end up with a continent appointment. 

He has a tough job ahead of him, but one thing I've learned from the big man is he approaches everything in his stride.  Never make a mountain out of a mole hill.  He just smiles, nods and gets on with it.  Very positive person.  Never lose that Big Dave touch, and I think we are in good hands....
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on May 18, 2018, 05:50:01 PM
Any news on the length of appointment, salary, and/or who the Director of Football will be (or even if we are appointing one)?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 18, 2018, 05:57:01 PM
Can't help but think we have missed another opportunity to show our ambition. Essentially we have appointed someone with two caps for Jamaica,  whose domestic playing achievements are relegation from Premiership on both occasions he played at that level (although with a couple of Championship promotions) and 6 matches managerial experience.  However,  he is Big Dave, he does appear to have the club at heart and no matter what reservations people have I can not see anyone giving him a hard time before a ball is even kicked unlike previous appointments .
Good luck Darren, really hope you prove us doubters wrong.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on May 18, 2018, 06:22:59 PM
Not my choice, but now he is our manager lets all get behind him and back him all the way.
Good luck Big Dave.
COYB.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: garry on May 18, 2018, 06:25:18 PM
Congratulations, Big Dave
You love the club and we love you
Now do us proud
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 18, 2018, 06:26:21 PM
Not my choice, but now he is our manager lets all get behind him and back him all the way.
Good luck Big Dave.
COYB.

That's fair enough divine, although I have been dead keen all along I totally get why there are reservations.

He's one of us. He LOVES the club and not just the glory. It's up to the club now to get the squad right. Fasten yourselves in chaps! We Are Albion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionBest on May 18, 2018, 06:28:12 PM
Was in two minds but really chuffed now the decision has been made - how different to the appointments of the last two clowns!

Let's all get behind and hope that the club provide him with the resources and support he's going to need to get us off to a good start.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on May 18, 2018, 06:29:57 PM
The first appointment is as long as I can remember that has pretty much everyone’s backing ( few people probably wanted someone else but will still back big Dave).

Just hope he can mould team together capable of taking it to teams and playing some decent football.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionBest on May 18, 2018, 06:32:11 PM
The players talked Darren up so it's time for them to stand up and support him in their actions to get us back up now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Bigrob80 on May 18, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
I’m happy to have Darren as our manager/head coach I think he had to be given the job after the end of season results from a team that was totally demoralised.
It’s going to be a hard old slog but I hope it all comes together for us and him.
COYB
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: sconesy on May 18, 2018, 06:50:13 PM
Massive congrats to Darren, really feel that we have a manager who cares and has the FULL backing of ALL at the club. I met him only a few months ago in Brum and he was an absolute gent and a pleasure to talk with. He has my full support and I’m sure everyone involved in the day-to-day running of the club.
We must be patient and allow him to make his mark and impose his ethics - we’ve certainly chosen the right character....now ‘Big Dave’, over to you!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 18, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
Can't help but think we have missed another opportunity to show our ambition. Essentially we have appointed someone with two caps for Jamaica,  whose domestic playing achievements are relegation from Premiership on both occasions he played at that level (although with a couple of Championship promotions) and 6 matches managerial experience.  However,  he is Big Dave, he does appear to have the club at heart and no matter what reservations people have I can not see anyone giving him a hard time before a ball is even kicked unlike previous appointments .
Good luck Darren, really hope you prove us doubters wrong.
Since when has that mattered? Don't remember Mourinho, Alex Ferguson having great playing careers
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 18, 2018, 07:31:14 PM
Congratulations Darren. Nice to have a very humble, polite guy in charge. Just the issue of ripping this squad apart and rebuilding. Get rid of anyone that doesn't want to play for him, and lets get this wagon rolling. I'm actually very excited at this new beginning. Yes it could go horribly wrong, but for once I feel positive about the club. Glad Foster and Brunt have pledged their allegiance to us, we will need some wise old heads among the younger players. Roll on August I say
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 18, 2018, 07:34:42 PM
Since when has that mattered? Don't remember Mourinho, Alex Ferguson having great playing careers

And Bryan Robson made a great manager ???
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 18, 2018, 07:58:05 PM
I want him to succeed, I really do. He's a great bloke, and a hero of mine. But...

I have been racking my brains, and I can't remember a caretaker who went in as a firefighter, like Moore did, who was then a success when they got the job on a full time basis.

I also think this is unlikely to shake any of the players out of the comfort zone they seem to inhabit. I can see new contracts on the horizon for Yacob, Myhill, even Morrison, and a continuation of the malaise we seem to find ourselves in.

I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I am. But I can see this going badly wrong, it lasting until about November / December, and then us having to go out and hire the manager we should be getting now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on May 18, 2018, 08:03:56 PM
May as well move discussions to this thread now that it is official.

Seemingly confirmed on the official Twitter account.

Made my views clear last night, certainly not my choice for the job and I believe this will end in utter disaster and will ruin the image of one of my heroes when it comes to the parting of the ways during the course of this season, but I shall get fully behind him and the team and pray that in seven months Jacko is quoting this post with a ' ;D ' as he steers us to the top of the table with consummate ease.

Great PR stunt but only experience from April I'd have brought another head coach in and let him work with DM but sadly I can see this ending in tears. As you say he's a hero its just too early for him As you said I hope he proves me wrong. but even RDM had a season under his belt
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 18, 2018, 08:14:47 PM
Since when has that mattered? Don't remember Mourinho, Alex Ferguson having great playing careers
If Darren Moore turns out to be the next Mourinho or Alex Ferguson then we will truly have struck gold and we will have to question why the muppets ever employed Pulis or Pardew ahead of Big Dave in the first place. (If you are seriously anticipating this I think you may be disappointed)

I belive you are missing my point. If Darren was Joe Bloggs with no connection to the Albion and that record I imagine the burning torches and pitch forks would be on their way to the Hawthorns now and the threats of non purchasing of season tickets filling these pages.

I personally do not think it is an ambitious appointment but he will have the benefit of bringing the support together behind him and plenty of good will.

As an aside, it took Mourinho 13 years to go from his non existent playing career to first managerial position with 7 years (?) as a number two. Fergie was managing for a good number of years before he got success with Aberdeen in the early eighties. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on May 18, 2018, 08:27:35 PM
Delighted for the big man now owners need to back him, good luck Darren let's take chump league by storm  ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: beechyboy90 on May 18, 2018, 08:33:28 PM
Not my first choice but 100% behind him now he needs backing in the transfer market. We need some fire power 2 strikers in (before any leave) we need an attacking mid to replace chadli and we need two cbs.

If we can get some of the shopping done before the World Cup then we will really hit the ground running
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 18, 2018, 08:44:21 PM
Re-reading the statement put put by the club it reads as if his influence has gone beyond the playing side of things and has reinvigorated the club by putting pride and heart back in where the last few seasons it has been missing. There is no denying the guy is charismatic and like many leaders that's a great quality to have.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 18, 2018, 09:11:56 PM
And Bryan Robson made a great manager ???
Well yeah, reiterates the point I was making
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggieboy74 on May 18, 2018, 09:12:23 PM
He's been promoted as a player......whilst having a leaders roll in those teams. I think he can do it.
Arsenal are about to appoint Arteta......that's equally a gamble.
The Pardew saga has made us look within and I really hope it works.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on May 18, 2018, 09:14:13 PM
Fingers crossed this works out. Will be fascinating to see what goes on with player sales and recruitment, what happens to the DOF and how decent the football is at the start of the season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albertbaggie on May 18, 2018, 09:19:57 PM

If Darren Moore turns out to be the next Mourinho or Alex Ferguson then we will truly have struck gold and we will have to question why the muppets ever employed Pulis or Pardew ahead of Big Dave in the first place. (If you are seriously anticipating this I think you may be disappointed)


I belive you are missing my point. If Darren was Joe Bloggs with no connection to the Albion and that record I imagine the burning torches and pitch forks would be on their way to the Hawthorns now and the threats of non purchasing of season tickets filling these pages.

I personally do not think it is an ambitious appointment but he will have the benefit of bringing the support together behind him and plenty of good will.

As an aside, it took Mourinho 13 years to go from his non existent playing career to first managerial position with 7 years (?) as a number two. Fergie was managing for a good number of years before he got success with Aberdeen in the early eighties.
Not anticipating that at all. Merely pointing out you don't have to be a great player to be a  good manager. People clambouring for Dean Smith ..was he as good a player as Big Dave?

Incidentally, people seem to be just assuming Big Dave has got the job based on six games.
Have you thought, he might have impressing before that?
He's been promoted through the varying coaching set-ups for a while now, so it's natural progression.
In terms of playing style, give the guy a chance.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear and for me that's what he was dealing with ...it was a dismal squad for all people keep saying it wasn't.
If the club get the recruitment right, let's judge the playing style then.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mo on May 18, 2018, 09:39:46 PM
I want him to succeed, I really do. He's a great bloke, and a hero of mine. But...

I have been racking my brains, and I can't remember a caretaker who went in as a firefighter, like Moore did, who was then a success when they got the job on a full time basis.

I also think this is unlikely to shake any of the players out of the comfort zone they seem to inhabit. I can see new contracts on the horizon for Yacob, Myhill, even Morrison, and a continuation of the malaise we seem to find ourselves in.

I hope I'm wrong. I really hope I am. But I can see this going badly wrong, it lasting until about November / December, and then us having to go out and hire the manager we should be getting now.

Agreed but would say that I don’t anticiipate them removing big dave , the bloke would have to quit so we could save a few quid which is the name of the game..
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on May 18, 2018, 10:07:20 PM
Makes you wonder if any players may now stay because of big Dave
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on May 18, 2018, 10:19:33 PM
Can't help but think we have missed another opportunity to show our ambition. Essentially we have appointed someone with two caps for Jamaica,  whose domestic playing achievements are relegation from Premiership on both occasions he played at that level (although with a couple of Championship promotions) and 6 matches managerial experience.  However,  he is Big Dave, he does appear to have the club at heart and no matter what reservations people have I can not see anyone giving him a hard time before a ball is even kicked unlike previous appointments .
Good luck Darren, really hope you prove us doubters wrong.
One of my pub hobbyhorses, how the best managers are usually not the most naturally gifted players, they are the ones who had to work out what to do with limited God given ability.  If you had to think about playing to your strengths as a player, you're already half way to being a coach.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 18, 2018, 10:46:26 PM
One of my pub hobbyhorses, how the best managers are usually not the most naturally gifted players, they are the ones who had to work out what to do with limited God given ability.  If you had to think about playing to your strengths as a player, you're already half way to being a coach.
Good point. If a person is naturally gifted, they’ve not had to learn. It then may become a problem to teach. I’d never thought of it that way. And while I’m here, I’m pleased with Darren’s appointment. It feels like we’ve been given our club back. One step at a time, eh?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on May 18, 2018, 11:20:47 PM
None of the top managers were stand out players, Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Hodgson. Did Roy ever play professionally?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 18, 2018, 11:27:37 PM
I belive you are missing my point. If Darren was Joe Bloggs with no connection to the Albion and that record I imagine the burning torches and pitch forks would be on their way to the Hawthorns now and the threats of non purchasing of season tickets filling these pages.

This is a point I was thinking of yesterday. But ultimately he has connections to the club and has done a great job at every opportunity the club has afforded him and he deserves credit for that.

However I do believe in Big Dave and just hope that the club works with him and aids his development because lets be honest he's as much as a work in progress as we are going to be this summer.

On the point of caretakers not making great long term managers... Eddie Howe began his role as just that and so did Garry Monk at Swansea. Naturally Monk didn't last but his dismissal was against the fans wishes who felt he deserved longer. Michael Flynn has done a spectacular job at Newport County after initially taking the reigns as caretaker.


Congratulations Big Dave and good luck. I hope he gets the support from every level of the club he deserves.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2018, 11:32:50 PM
Roy was on Palace's books as a teenager but mainly played semi pro and his background is strikingly similar to Wenger's.  Generally the best coaches have modest playing careers often cut short by injury which pushes them into coaching relatively early in life. A great player who also makes it as a great coach is a fairly rare bird, which is why calls for high profile ex pro's to be fast tracked through coaching qualifications is a complete nonsense.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on May 18, 2018, 11:48:14 PM
Makes you wonder if any players may now stay because of big Dave

I have a feeling a few who maybe we’re considering leaving will give us a season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: hardtobeat on May 18, 2018, 11:52:22 PM
None of the top managers were stand out players, Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Hodgson. Did Roy ever play professionally?
Guardiola, Zidane, Conte and Ancelloti weren't too shabby
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 18, 2018, 11:59:35 PM
Pep Guardiola -
Antonio Conte -
Diego Simeone -
Gheorgi Hagi -
Massimo Carerra -
Phillip Cocu -
Diego Alonso -
Giovanni Van Bronkhorst -
Luis Enrique -
Marcelo Gallardo -
Mauricio Pochettino -
Zidane -
Patrick Vieira -

Great players don't make great coaches but that's not a bad list representing some of the best managers about in world football.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 19, 2018, 12:24:27 AM
Pep Guardiola -
Antonio Conte -
Diego Simeone -
Gheorgi Hagi -
Massimo Carerra -
Phillip Cocu -
Diego Alonso -
Giovanni Van Bronkhorst -
Luis Enrique -
Marcelo Gallardo -
Mauricio Pochettino -
Zidane -
Patrick Vieira -

Great players don't make great coaches but that's not a bad list representing some of the best managers about in world football.
OK! How’s this for a challenge. Let’s name the household names that failed. Here’s my starter for one point. Bobby Charlton. ☺️
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on May 19, 2018, 01:19:14 AM
Paul Gascoigne
Maradona
Bobby Charlton
Gary Neville
Alan Shearer
John Barnes
Stoichkov
Tony Adams
Van Basten
Roy Keane 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on May 19, 2018, 02:45:39 AM
As I said earlier I have serious reservations about this appointment. I think everyone is entitled to joy or disappointment when a new head coach is put in place, we're all human, we all have our own thoughts and emotions.

However, the club have made their decision so now no more moaning it's time to get right behind Darren Moore. If it all goes wrong I won't be giving it the I told you so's. There's no purpose to that and I'm not into gaining cheap points. Hopefully Darren's time in charge will be a resounding success.

Good luck Big Dave.

Come on you Baggies!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: telford baggie on May 19, 2018, 05:38:12 AM
time to enjoy pulis football again and sounds like as long as you work hard that is good enough, gone by xmas out the division by may, dean saunders mark 2
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie steve on May 19, 2018, 06:26:21 AM
Makes you wonder if any players may now stay because of big Dave


Do we want them to stay ? There are a few who were that bad last year we don't want them to stay around ,  new broom was promised by Jenkins , we want some young hungry talented players and play a more pleasing on the eye style.
Big Dave has said this squad can only play one way ? A change in personnel is needed
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on May 19, 2018, 06:29:35 AM
time to enjoy pulis football again and sounds like as long as you work hard that is good enough, gone by xmas out the division by may, dean saunders mark 2

Not sure how it “sounds like” anything. All DM has said so far are the usual platitudes about being excited to get the job etc.

Seems the club couldn’t do anything apart from appoint Moore, the upturn in form had made the decision for them, there was really no other choice.

After watching Albion since 1966, I must say I recognise that I know nothing really of how football works. I couldn’t say who is going to be a good/great player and I certainly am not qualified to recognise a good/great coach. Like most fans and supporters, I’m just along for the ride.

I withdrew my support while Pulis was there. Much as I struggled not to because he was at Albion, I detested the man’s brand football. I detested it while he was at Stoke and continued to when he was at the Hawthorns. Then I really hoped Pardew would turn it round, but no, we all know the outcome.

So, here I stand, with over fifty years of following the club, fifty years of (largely) false dawns, looking at DM’s appointment thinking “yes, this is it, this is the beginning of a new era, something great”. Part of me knows it’s foolish, as statistically and financially we can’t compete with the top end of the Prem, but hey, who cares, this is football not a logic seminar. Big Dave is an Albion man, he won games when all looked lost. He galvanised everything around Albion, he feels about the club like I do, and he seems like a genuine bloke.

He’s our top boy now, I’m with him 100% and I’ll be back up there next season come what may.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on May 19, 2018, 06:36:42 AM
Big Dave could turn out to be his own worst enemy.
With the results he managed in the last 6 games he made it very difficult for the board not to appoint him.
Not sticking up for the board but they were on a hiding to nothing, dammed if they did and dammed if they didn't
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wba_1996 on May 19, 2018, 07:30:41 AM
time to enjoy pulis football again and sounds like as long as you work hard that is good enough, gone by xmas out the division by may, dean saunders mark 2

Jesus, I'm disappointed by the appointment but it sounds like you need to give Samaritans a ring.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2018, 08:26:23 AM
Paul Gascoigne
Maradona
Bobby Charlton
Gary Neville
Alan Shearer
John Barnes
Stoichkov
Tony Adams
Van Basten
Roy Keane

Fair enough but all these are in the past. There is a definite shift in the modern game and for whatever reason, perhaps the current crop are better prepared. But when we're talking of top players making it as managers it really has no bearing on the Darren Moore debate in fairness.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 19, 2018, 09:11:58 AM
Paul Gascoigne
Maradona
Bobby Charlton
Gary Neville
Alan Shearer
John Barnes
Stoichkov
Tony Adams
Van Basten
Roy Keane

Bobby Moore
Brian Kidd
Bryan Robson
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on May 19, 2018, 09:25:18 AM
Billy Wright.

The new DoF who ever that may be will do the recruiting / selling etc. Big Dave will hopefully be the motivator, the feel good factor, the one who pulls everyone together.
We have to get the DoF appointment spot on.
Really hope this works, for Darrens sake as much as our own.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: koren on May 19, 2018, 09:33:02 AM
Did a great job for the last six games but there are much more difficult tasks ahead of Big Dave.

Promotion would be the top priority. Nowadays the teams in championship are also very competitive. We need to have a good start at the beginning of the season in order to boost the promotion chance. Therefore Big Dave has to prepare well in the pre-season, in terms of tactics and game plan. There is no room for testing or experiment after the season starts.

Overhaul for the squad is another important task. It should be happened last summer but we missed it.
Big Dave is inexperienced for player recruitment. Giuliano Terraneo has to work closely with him and bring new players to improve the aging squad.

Also, I'm sure many fans were tired of Pulis' style football in last few years, it is hoped that Big Dave can develop a team with more attacking intent and play better football.

Good luck Big Dave!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2018, 09:35:04 AM
Did a great job for the last six games but there are much more difficult tasks ahead of Big Dave.

Promotion would be the top priority. Nowadays the teams in championship are also very competitive. We need to have a good start at the beginning of the season in order to boost the promotion chance. Therefore Big Dave has to prepare well in the pre-season, in terms of tactics and game plan. There is no room for testing or experiment after the season starts.

Overhaul for the squad is another important task. It should be happened last summer but we missed it.
Big Dave is inexperienced for player recruitment. Giuliano Terraneo has to work closely with him and bring new players to improve the aging squad.

Also, I'm sure many fans were tired of Pulis' style football in last few years, it is hoped that Big Dave can develop a team with more attacking intent and play better football.

Good luck Big Dave!


To be fair that's probably the one thing you don't need in the Championship. You need to finish strongly.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2018, 09:58:44 AM

To be fair that's probably the one thing you don't need in the Championship. You need to finish strongly.

This season

Cardiff took 17/24 points at the start of the season. Fulham took 10/24.

Cardiff took 11/24 points at the end of the season. Fulham took 19.

Season before

Brighton took 14/24 points at the start of the season, Reading the same.

Brighton took 16/24 points at the end of the season. Reading took 18/24 points

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2018, 10:09:09 AM
Off the top of my head, Sunderland 06/07. You can be in the bottom half at Christmas and still get automatic promotion, it's that type of league.


That said, ideally you would get a lead and then give yourself breathing space so a slump doesn't derail the season. My issue was with the idea that a good start was vital, suggesting Moore has no time to settle, which just isn't the case, coupled with the fact he'll have far more goodwill from the fans (which will afford him more time) than any manager in recent history. A solid start is all that is required from the club in August and September.


edit. Interestingly in that season Sunderland won the title they had 17 players come in and 15 leave. It can be done.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MarkW on May 19, 2018, 10:26:51 AM
I've kept relatively quiet about a new manager, and about Darren Moore's appointment, as I have been very much on the fence.

He wasn't my first choice. I'm not sure who was but it wasn't Darren. I want to club to build a footballing identity and from the little I've seen, DM either doesn't have one, or his is similar to Pulis in that we concede possession and use set pieces to nick goals. This has worked well against the big teams he has come up against, but failed vs those around us. That again is a very Pulis-like trait.  Next season we will have to play with initiative, and take the game to teams that look to set up shop. We'll be a big scalp, and there are plenty of teams who will form two banks of four, and ask if we can break them down.

DM has yet to show an ability or desire to set us up in that way, but maybe a summer of new arrivals and a bit of a clear out will allow him to play with more freedom.

This may come across as writing DM off, and it is definitely not intended that way. I will back DM totally, and look forward to him building a culture of togetherness at the club, which I think has been missing. I have my reservations, but he gets my support, as any manager would when they arrive. It is up to him to maintain that good faith.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Cullompton baggie on May 19, 2018, 11:37:04 AM
He will need at least 2 types of system to counter act teams coming to the Hawthorns, teams are going to come to us and shut shop, trying to get away with a point! we will need to have a system that will allow us to break down this type of team. something we did not have under Pulis or Pardew. and a 2nd system for the likes of Stoke, who bombard you with long balls all the time!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 19, 2018, 11:54:31 AM
He wasn't my first choice. I'm not sure who was but it wasn't Darren. I want to club to build a footballing identity and from the little I've seen, DM either doesn't have one, or his is similar to Pulis in that we concede possession and use set pieces to nick goals. This has worked well against the big teams he has come up against, but failed vs those around us. That again is a very Pulis-like trait.  Next season we will have to play with initiative, and take the game to teams that look to set up shop. We'll be a big scalp, and there are plenty of teams who will form two banks of four, and ask if we can break them down.

DM has yet to show an ability or desire to set us up in that way, but maybe a summer of new arrivals and a bit of a clear out will allow him to play with more freedom.

This may come across as writing DM off, and it is definitely not intended that way. I will back DM totally, and look forward to him building a culture of togetherness at the club, which I think has been missing. I have my reservations, but he gets my support, as any manager would when they arrive. It is up to him to maintain that good faith.
That's a great post,  which I entirely agree with. We need to bring in more attack-minded players than we have at present - players who are adept at breaking down massed defences. By and large, the clubs who've got automatic promotion have been capable of that; consider Wolves, Wigan and Blackburn (I can't bring myself to write about Cardiff, given who's in charge there)! To my mind, those are the 3 clubs we should look to be emulating in their style of play and bringing players in who are capable of delivering it.

All Darren's talked about so far is being organised and working hard, but it's going to need more than that to stand out from the crowd and push for automatic promotion, so I look forward to hearing his more considered thoughts on what's going to be our general approach for next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on May 19, 2018, 12:31:29 PM
He will need at least 2 types of system to counter act teams coming to the Hawthorns, teams are going to come to us and shut shop, trying to get away with a point! we will need to have a system that will allow us to break down this type of team. something we did not have under Pulis or Pardew. and a 2nd system for the likes of Stoke, who bombard you with long balls all the time!

I wouldn’t be so sure. A lot of them might fancy their chances at turning us over and our current team doesn’t seem to know anything other than shutting up shop themselves.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
He's set up teams and taken points off sides who are elite European clubs. He was never in a position to try and instil a style of play during those 6 games. Instead he had to act like Ronsil and simply get the job done.

What he needs to be judged on is how he sets up a side that he has had the opportunity to mould into his own. You cannot stamp a style and identity on a football club in the last 6 games of a season where circumstances dictate otherwise.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 19, 2018, 03:23:18 PM
It will take a good few transfer windows to clear out the dead wood and build the team he wants. You can’t really judge his full style until he’s built the team. However we will see signs straight away.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on May 19, 2018, 03:42:07 PM
Be interesting to see how many players will stop after their comments saying many would stay if he was appointed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 19, 2018, 04:12:35 PM
As I've said before, I think Moore was the wrong choice but now the decisions been made, let's ALL get behind him whether you wanted him to get the job or not. .

He genuinely loves the club, and it will be pretty rare for us to have a manager that is actually upset by losses/failure, elated by victories and livid at underperforming prima donnas.

Let's make it so new players will be coming into a united club, and get them feeling the pressure/pride of what it means to wear the historic WBA badge. With a head coach that won't accept less than 100%, a united fanbase and big ambitions, we have our best chance of success under Moore. Lets do our bit to get us back on track.

COYB
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: gerry m on May 19, 2018, 04:19:33 PM
He's set up teams and taken points off sides who are elite European clubs. He was never in a position to try and instil a style of play during those 6 games. Instead he had to act like Ronsil and simply get the job done.

What he needs to be judged on is how he sets up a side that he has had the opportunity to mould into his own. You cannot stamp a style and identity on a football club in the last 6 games of a season where circumstances dictate otherwise.

Very good post mate!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on May 19, 2018, 05:33:37 PM
We have a responsibility to give Big Dave the benefit.

We need to remember how far we've come. Whilst I'm just as disappointed as the next person at the lack of achievement during our time in the top tier, we have the opportunity of a second chance if we make an immediate return to the premier league.

If the recruitment of Darren Moore means the majority of the squad stay for one season - a personal expectation of mine, considering this is essentially the players own appointment - then this gives us every chance to continue our good form, and achieve an immediate promotion which avoids the need for a complete rebuild with limited resources in a second rate league.

We have a responsibility next season as fans to push this team up the league. That's why I'm spending my limited funds to increase my own attendance at the Hawthorns next season.

Good luck Big Dave, I'm confident you'll have a strong (and maintained) backing from our fanbase.

46 games, its going to be a long season...COYB!

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 19, 2018, 06:09:07 PM
time to enjoy pulis football again and sounds like as long as you work hard that is good enough, gone by xmas out the division by may, dean saunders mark 2

That's it, keep it positive.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 19, 2018, 07:40:41 PM
 Its really hard to believe that some posters on here are actually baggies fans,isn't it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 19, 2018, 07:51:47 PM
Its really hard to believe that some posters on here are actually baggies fans,isn't it.

99% are Baggies fans its just that people have different views and opinions, thats what makes a forum. Be a bit pointless having one if everyone agreed on everything wouldn't it ??
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 19, 2018, 07:54:50 PM
99% are Baggies fans its just that people have different views and opinions, thats what makes a forum. Be a bit pointless having one if everyone agreed on everything wouldn't it ??

Would be the logical answer. Sadly not all on here are so logical and adopt the ‘if you don’t just smile and clap regardless you’re clearly not an Albion fan’. Quite pathetic really
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on May 19, 2018, 08:05:16 PM
99% are Baggies fans its just that people have different views and opinions, thats what makes a forum. Be a bit pointless having one if everyone agreed on everything wouldn't it ??

Clearly not the point the chap was making in my opinion. Although I appreciate the point of a forum.

The negativity we're seeing on this appointment reflects a culture not normally reflective of our fanbase.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 19, 2018, 08:06:54 PM
Would be the logical answer. Sadly not all on here are so logical and adopt the ‘if you don’t just smile and clap regardless you’re clearly not an Albion fan’. Quite pathetic really


Think your measured if underwhelmed response is a bit different to TBs post.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on May 19, 2018, 08:10:55 PM
Would be the logical answer. Sadly not all on here are so logical and adopt the ‘if you don’t just smile and clap regardless you’re clearly not an Albion fan’. Quite pathetic really

So if the argument is positive, then it must be ignorant?! The tiresome criticism of a 'Happy Clapper' is jading.

In the context of this topic, many are asking we give the benefit and full support for someone who clearly has the best intentions for the club (and community) we care for.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 19, 2018, 08:15:29 PM
So if the argument is positive, then it must be ignorant?! The tiresome criticism of a 'Happy Clapper' is jading.

In the context of this topic, many are asking we give the benefit and full support for someone who clearly has the best intentions for the club (and community) we care for.

Not in the slightest. It’s an opinion, in the same manner in which a negative post is an opinion. Both are equal, neither are necessarily ignorant (though of course this is a subjective test), and the criticism of anyone being negative could be considered just as tiresome of anyone criticising those being positive
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on May 19, 2018, 08:20:33 PM
Not in the slightest. It’s an opinion, in the same manner in which a negative post is an opinion. Both are equal, neither are necessarily ignorant (though of course this is a subjective test), and the criticism of anyone being negative could be considered just as tiresome of anyone criticising those being positive

 ‘If you don’t just smile and clap regardless you’re clearly not an Albion fan’.  - This was not the point the chap was making.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 19, 2018, 08:26:13 PM
Glad you understood it letmeread.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: P Anderson on May 19, 2018, 10:50:09 PM
I am happy that we have appointed a manager who has a strong connection with the club. DM will get my full support, the only concern is the players have pushed for this.
These are the same model pro’s that let us down so badly throughout the whole of last season. I would like to see all of the old boys club broken up and DM start his reign with a young team and a real plan in place throughout the club, from top to bottom. Sadly I think the same pro’s will become a spanner in the works with lack lustre performances and billy big boots attitudes.
Already average players like mclean,  think they are too big to be here.
I feel the key to this season is going to be in the recruitment of players and coaching staff but fear we will have problems getting rid of some of the overrated and overpaid, who will remain under the guise of supporting DM.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2018, 08:42:35 AM
Has anybody read how long a contract he's signed?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BB74 on May 20, 2018, 08:50:04 AM
I’m suddenly having cold feet about the appointment. Not sure why. I want nothing more than Darren to succeed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mini gaardsoe on May 20, 2018, 09:14:19 AM
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but what do we think the make up of the backroom staff should be? An experienced no.2 at championship level a must?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on May 20, 2018, 09:18:45 AM
I am happy that we have appointed a manager who has a strong connection with the club. DM will get my full support, the only concern is the players have pushed for this.
These are the same model pro’s that let us down so badly throughout the whole of last season. I would like to see all of the old boys club broken up and DM start his reign with a young team and a real plan in place throughout the club, from top to bottom. Sadly I think the same pro’s will become a spanner in the works with lack lustre performances and billy big boots attitudes.
Already average players like mclean,  think they are too big to be here.
I feel the key to this season is going to be in the recruitment of players and coaching staff but fear we will have problems getting rid of some of the overrated and overpaid, who will remain under the guise of supporting DM.

This is where Darren needs to stamp his authority early. A ruthless approach to players who haven’t been commited enough and also players that aren’t good enough should be told they are no longer part of the plans. Nyom, McLean, Robson Kanu, Morrison, Barry etc.

Hopefully we can get a few out the door early in the window for a change.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 20, 2018, 09:34:26 AM
I’m suddenly having cold feet about the appointment. Not sure why. I want nothing more than Darren to succeed.

I reckon it's just the anxiety of wanting us to do well this season. Regardless of how any of us feel about Big Dave, we are together in our ambition.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on May 20, 2018, 09:37:31 AM
I’m suddenly having cold feet about the appointment. Not sure why. I want nothing more than Darren to succeed.

I think it’s because there’s that element it might all go tits up for one of our modern day legends. No one wants this to end badly or destroy the fans feelings towards big Dave.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mo on May 20, 2018, 09:56:24 AM
This is where Darren needs to stamp his authority early. A ruthless approach to players who haven’t been commited enough and also players that aren’t good enough should be told they are no longer part of the plans. Nyom, McLean, Robson Kanu, Morrison, Barry etc.

Hopefully we can get a few out the door early in the window for a change.

I would have myhill and his comfy slippers out so fast his feet wouldn’t touch the floor.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: lewisant on May 20, 2018, 09:58:59 AM
I think it’s because there’s that element it might all go tits up for one of our modern day legends. No one wants this to end badly or destroy the fans feelings towards big Dave.

This is it, we all want manager to succeed with us even if we previously couldn't stand them (Pulis, Pardew) but this one is huge - most of us LOVE Darren Moore. Scored THAT goal at the Smethwick, was there on the great escape and has worked his way up in the club. For him to fail would be heartbreaking on more levels than Pulis/Pardew failing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2018, 10:13:43 AM
Apologies if this has already been mentioned but what do we think the make up of the backroom staff should be? An experienced no.2 at championship level a must?

Nothing mentioned as yet. There are two vacancies and I suspect Jimmy Shan would be in line for a promotion which leaves a gap. Not sure that Championship experience is a prerequisite it isn't some alien form of football that is beyond understanding unless you've worked in it for a decade. Whoever it is does need to be a long term assistant a good coach but someone who isn't going to have aspirations to be a Head Coach not sure who I would suggest.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VANDERLEI on May 20, 2018, 11:40:08 AM
Why change a winning formula. James Shan as number 2 seems the logical appointment. Big Dave has earned his shot, now it's up to him to keep on delivering. One thing is for sure, he has proven already that he has what it takes to manage at the highest level. Experience can be very overrrated in the football world. Sometimes a new approach or a fresh face can bring fantastic results. Just look at Eddie Howe at Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2018, 12:03:08 PM
Why change a winning formula. James Shan as number 2 seems the logical appointment. Big Dave has earned his shot, now it's up to him to keep on delivering. One thing is for sure, he has proven already that he has what it takes to manage at the highest level. Experience can be very overrrated in the football world. Sometimes a new approach or a fresh face can bring fantastic results. Just look at Eddie Howe at Bournemouth.

I think Jimmy Shan has as much earned a promotion to the 1st team as Darren. However there is no denying the fact that they are a very inexperienced coaching team there will be another appointment and I would expect it to be an experienced assistant however it is more important that whoever it is compliments what Jimmy and Darren bring to their roles and fits with the coaching culture we are trying to develop.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on May 20, 2018, 12:10:20 PM
Do we have a pre-season tour sorted out yet?
Do we have a fitness coach?
What is left of the scouting department?
What’s going on with the DOF?
Does Darren Moore have any idea who he wants in & out?
Who runs the academy now Moore & staff are dealing with first team?

Watching his interview on the club site dispiriting for him to be referring to the wonderful and big clubs in the championship! Enough of that Pulis mentality of talking up the opposition, this is division 2 of English football. Lots of references to unity and hard work, no mention of the word quality or ability and no discussion upon transfers.

We’re turning into an episode of dream team and Harchester F.C.

Exceptionally rare for a manager job to go to someone at our level with zero experience of the basics. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2018, 12:16:12 PM
Do we have a pre-season tour sorted out yet?
Do we have a fitness coach?
What is left of the scouting department?
What’s going on with the DOF?
Does Darren Moore have any idea who he wants in & out?
Who runs the academy now Moore & staff are dealing with first team?

Watching his interview on the club site dispiriting for him to be referring to the wonderful and big clubs in the championship! Enough of that Pulis mentality of talking up the opposition, this is division 2 of English football. Lots of references to unity and hard work, no mention of the word quality or ability and no discussion upon transfers.

We’re turning into an episode of dream team and Harchester F.C.

Exceptionally rare for a manager job to go to someone at our level with zero experience of the basics. Fingers crossed.

That's an awful lot of questions for someone to answer who's only confirmed in a job less than 40hours ago
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Uncle Peter on May 20, 2018, 12:40:52 PM
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That's an awful lot of questions for someone to answer who's only confirmed in a job less than 40hours ago

True, but they're questions that desperately need answering.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 20, 2018, 12:49:45 PM
Never been cold to the appointment of Moore but I did favour Smith. Over the last few days I’ve really warmed to the idea of Big Dave and I am desperate for him to be successful with us.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 20, 2018, 01:04:51 PM
I think somewhere in the initial interview that seems to have triggered Baggies 38 panic attack Darren said "It is going to be a busy summer" Might be busy over the next few weeks tackling some of the issues raised.

However just filling in a few of the gaps for him.

The people running the academy are still running the academy Darren was with the 1st team squad anyway and James Shan was running the U23's and might yet return to that role but he is only one person from an Academy staff of over a dozen.

Fitness coach Matt Bickley worked his way through from the academy appointed October last year.

Scouting department is still largely intact Ford and Thorn have gone but there is at least 3 full time Recruitment personnel in post. In any event what exactly are scouts scouting right now? Any scouting work has either been done or it hasn't been and there is nothing much to scout until August. Scandinavia excepted.

Darren might have a fairly good idea of players he might like to keep or indeed move on yet he is hardly going to announce that in his first club interview. We might think that West Ham emailing James Collins after 11 years with the club is a bit naff but Darren saying "Sorry Mozza your time is up" during his welcome interview is a whole different level of naffness.

Transfers are going to be a matter for him and Terraneo which I think Darren might have mentioned in the interview.

Director of Football will be appointed between now and September in the meantime Terraneo is helping the club with it's recruitment etc...

Pre season. I honestly think we will gather the lads together the week before the season starts for a few five a sides and away we go.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on May 20, 2018, 02:38:25 PM
Really want Big Dave to do well Shows The Board Beleive in him Maybe now he can employ his own Tactics
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 20, 2018, 04:55:51 PM
Im excited to see who Darren brings in. There are some players that I would like to see coming in but its not up to me is it.
Also like to see if he can keep Rondon and Dawson.
Im sure we won t have to wait long for some ins/outs either way.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on May 20, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
This is where Darren needs to stamp his authority early. A ruthless approach to players who haven’t been commited enough and also players that aren’t good enough should be told they are no longer part of the plans. Nyom, McLean, Robson Kanu, Morrison, Barry etc.

Hopefully we can get a few out the door early in the window for a change.
I agree generally, but I think McClean and Nyom can do a good job in the championship.  Nobody has ever run through Nyom, even if the top prem players went round him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BAGGIE5 on May 20, 2018, 10:25:53 PM
Press conference at 10am. Guess we will get more answers then.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 20, 2018, 10:29:59 PM
I'd guess it'll just confirm Shan and Cutler as permanent. Possibly the release list will be announced with Darren thanking those leaving. Would be a very classy way to do it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 65baggie on May 20, 2018, 11:30:28 PM
Maybe Alan Irvine as his assistant
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on May 21, 2018, 11:45:04 AM
James shan and Neil cutler staying.

A new assistant head coach coming in.

No player to be bought in without moore agreeing.

We have a "strong budget"

We don't have to sell to balance the books

--

On the style of play..
The league has many different hurdles, they'll see a team that will play football when it's needed, but also a team that's willing to fight and scrap for every ball. We've got to create a team that when those challenges come, we're well prepared."


Very positive statements today imo
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Pie on May 21, 2018, 11:57:14 AM
James shan and Neil cutler staying.

A new assistant head coach coming in.

No player to be bought in without moore agreeing.

We have a "strong budget"

We don't have to sell to balance the books

--

On the style of play..
The league has many different hurdles, they'll see a team that will play football when it's needed, but also a team that's willing to fight and scrap for every ball. We've got to create a team that when those challenges come, we're well prepared."


Very positive statements today imo

Sounds good! I'm fairly optimistic about next season. Think we may surprise a few people.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 21, 2018, 12:12:12 PM
James shan and Neil cutler staying.

A new assistant head coach coming in.

No player to be bought in without moore agreeing.

We have a "strong budget"

We don't have to sell to balance the books

--

On the style of play..
The league has many different hurdles, they'll see a team that will play football when it's needed, but also a team that's willing to fight and scrap for every ball. We've got to create a team that when those challenges come, we're well prepared."


Very positive statements today imo

That's what I got out of it too. I'm very optimistic for the coming season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Cantello on May 21, 2018, 12:15:55 PM
Let's give Big Dave time and patience. For the first time in my memory, there's a true Albion man in charge.  That's got to be worth celebrating!  Hope the Hawthorns is rocking again next season; we have to play our part too.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 21, 2018, 12:22:51 PM
Let's give Big Dave time and patience. For the first time in my memory, there's a true Albion man in charge.  That's got to be worth celebrating!  Hope the Hawthorns is rocking again next season; we have to play our part too.

I think that's key. I would hope that he has got some time in the bank from all fans and we remember what he has been a part of when things get tough and results don't go as expected.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 21, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
Will have full support from me, more than I would give most managers certainly given his status in my eyes, as all managers get from me when they first start until it becomes obvious that they are not right for the job.

Time to get behind the boys and hope for an extremely successful season with some exciting signings.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wba_1996 on May 21, 2018, 02:10:57 PM
Happy with what has come out of the press conference today. I didn't want Moore to get the job, but I would love it if he turns out to be a revelation.

Surprised we haven't had the retained list yet, expect we'll see it in the next couple of days. With our supposed 'strong budget', hopefully we won't be feeling the need to hang on to players who we really should be letting go. I'd be disappointed if Moore retains Myhill, Morrison and McAuley out of loyalty, we really need to be moving on.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2018, 03:28:23 PM
Happy with what has come out of the press conference today. I didn't want Moore to get the job, but I would love it if he turns out to be a revelation.

Surprised we haven't had the retained list yet, expect we'll see it in the next couple of days. With our supposed 'strong budget', hopefully we won't be feeling the need to hang on to players who we really should be letting go. I'd be disappointed if Moore retains Myhill, Morrison and McAuley out of loyalty, we really need to be moving on.

Re: a retained list. Think DM said that he would be speaking to the players this week, so I would expect something to come out next week
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 21, 2018, 05:29:17 PM
With regard to the player situation, I am far more comfortable with the reasoned, measured and calculated approach that Darren and the club are employing in this area, more so than the "shoot from the hip" approach and get rid ASAP approach as it's "more professional".

We live in a society where most things are disposable, including relationships, and instant success is a demanded more than something to be earned.

I am very optimistic about the new era the club, Head Coach et al, players and us fans are embarking on, my half full glass is overflowing 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Critical Baggie on May 21, 2018, 05:31:37 PM
Was disappointed to see a bit of the negative feedback about Moore getting the job. He's earned it on merit, yes albeit as a Caretaker and the pressure off but we haven't had any momentum in some time now so thought it would be foolish not to be opportunistic and instead appoint someone with so called experience (and look whats thats give us this past 18 months).

Everything is in Big Dave's favour; the players, the coaches, the staff, the board, football people in general really....and hopefully all our supporters! He's been promoted 4 times and knows how it's done and rightly managing everyones expectations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPoBu2ZLLhU

Come on Big Dave and COYB!

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on May 21, 2018, 05:55:05 PM
Just seen the interview. I have never wanted a manager to succeed as much as I do Darren Moore. We have to wait and see about style and how he does but in terms of a person representing our club I have not been as proud in a long time. After the Pulis era and Pardew debacle (taxi gate etc) to have DM in charge Represents a new day.
If people think of the Albion and see Darren Moore then I am proud of that.
What an amazing ambassador.

Hoping he can be successful.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on May 21, 2018, 06:05:05 PM
Just seen the interview. I have never wanted a manager to succeed as much as I do Darren Moore. We have to wait and see about style and how he does but in terms of a person representing our club I have not been as proud in a long time. After the Pulis era and Pardew debacle (taxi gate etc) to have DM in charge Represents a new day.
If people think of the Albion and see Darren Moore then I am proud of that.
What an amazing ambassador.

Hoping he can be successful.

Very well said indeed sir :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 21, 2018, 06:06:59 PM
Dave is also a member of the management committee of the PFA.
He has completed his FA badges,he's been promoted 4 times.
Born in Handsworth as well.
He is certainly no lightweight as some seem to portray him.
A well respected person in football.
I think his time has arrived,he's paid his dues,he will succeed at the Albion, the club he loves.
Well done mate,can't wait to see who we sign and maybe not all will leave.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 21, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
Was disappointed to see a bit of the negative feedback about Moore getting the job. He's earned it on merit, yes albeit as a Caretaker and the pressure off but we haven't had any momentum in some time now so thought it would be foolish not to be opportunistic and instead appoint someone with so called experience (and look whats thats give us this past 18 months).

Everything is in Big Dave's favour; the players, the coaches, the staff, the board, football people in general really....and hopefully all our supporters! He's been promoted 4 times and knows how it's done and rightly managing everyones expectations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPoBu2ZLLhU

Come on Big Dave and COYB!


in today's world, people make a good living out of having an opposing view, sometime they are right and sometimes they are not, but hindsight is a wonderful vision.

I prefer to go with my initial "gut feeling" and Darren will do for me!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on May 21, 2018, 06:20:56 PM
When I first heard it was Darren Moore it didn't really excite me ,but listening to his interview and watching footage when he played for us I'm beginning to warm to his appointment.Wears his heart on his sleeve and a Baggie through and through.Heres a thought to throw around Assistant Head coach to be named.  Gary Megson anyone ?? :o
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on May 21, 2018, 06:26:45 PM
I think everyone loves Big Dave, even though there are doubts about whether he is the right bloke for the job (there would be no candidate who everyone wanted)

What comes across though in his interviews is how much this means to him, when he talks about his love of the Albion, he means it, we have had numerous managers previous who say all the right things - famous old club, loyal fanbase, etc, etc and they probably mean it in their own way but Big Dave is one of us and he just gets it.

This isnt just any ex player taking over, i said previous if we wanted the sentiment route we could of got Super Bob, AJ, etc in, but this is Darren Moore, quite possibly the biggest cult hero of the last 20 years, certainly in the top 3, a legend already who has worked his way up, got the qualifications and now has the chance which he probably one day dreamed of he when he first started those badges and on the coaching ladder.

I have never wanted somebody to succeed at the Albion as much as i do Big Dave, a gentle giant, a great man and so far it would seem a very good coach too, i think we will see a team reflecting his values on the pitch and that can only be a good thing, i think every player will be made to earn their corn and play with some pride, hopefully with plenty of entertainment along the way.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on May 21, 2018, 06:32:29 PM
I think everyone loves Big Dave, even though there are doubts about whether he is the right bloke for the job (there would be no candidate who everyone wanted)

What comes across though in his interviews is how much this means to him, when he talks about his love of the Albion, he means it, we have had numerous managers previous who say all the right things - famous old club, loyal fanbase, etc, etc and they probably mean it in their own way but Big Dave is one of us and he just gets it.

This isnt just any ex player taking over, i said previous if we wanted the sentiment route we could of got Super Bob, AJ, etc in, but this is Darren Moore, quite possibly the biggest cult hero of the last 20 years, certainly in the top 3, a legend already who has worked his way up, got the qualifications and now has the chance which he probably one day dreamed of he when he first started those badges and on the coaching ladder.

I have never wanted somebody to succeed at the Albion as much as i do Big Dave, a gentle giant, a great man and so far it would seem a very good coach too, i think we will see a team reflecting his values on the pitch and that can only be a good thing, i think every player will be made to earn their corn and play with some pride, hopefully with plenty of entertainment along the way.
.    Well said Baggie 79 my sentiments exactly.Great post
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Critical Baggie on May 21, 2018, 06:44:40 PM
in today's world, people make a good living out of having an opposing view, sometime they are right and sometimes they are not, but hindsight is a wonderful vision.

I prefer to go with my initial "gut feeling" and Darren will do for me!!

Certainly! However I did just think it would of been a lot more heartbreaking starting next season on a bad run with a different man in charge, would of been a really horrible 'what if' moment if we didn't try ride the momentum but yeah of course theres not guarantee Big Dave is going to succeed but lets cross that bridge when come to it  ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 21, 2018, 09:53:47 PM
I've been waiting to hear more on Darren's thoughts on our style of play going forward. We didn't get much today apart from "play attractive football when it's needed". It was good to see him mention attractive football, but what he meant by "when it's needed" is unclear.

To my mind, positive attacking football (and I don't mean Route 1) should be Plan A, with other approaches being the fall-back. Having a resilient defence is fine, but we need to have possession more and show more intent and threat when we do have the ball.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2018, 10:06:50 PM
I've been waiting to hear more on Darren's thoughts on our style of play going forward. We didn't get much today apart from "play attractive football when it's needed". It was good to see him mention attractive football, but what he meant by "when it's needed" is unclear.

To my mind, positive attacking football (and I don't mean Route 1) should be Plan A, with other approaches being the fall-back. Having a resilient defence is fine, but we need to have possession more and show more intent and threat when we do have the ball.


From reports thus far, I'm not sure style is top of the agenda.

If I've understood DM right he's basically saying he'll adopt "situation management" to games to get results.
Like others have said, I'm not sure how big DM's tactical portfolio is, if it's limited, you would hope we'd employ an assistant to fill the gaps.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 21, 2018, 10:10:33 PM
From reports thus far, I'm not sure style is top of the agenda.
Jenkins said what he said a few weeks ago and I thing it would be wrong for the club to try to quietly sweep that under the carpet. Style of play is key to deciding what players to sign, so it can't be ignored. "Situation management" smacks of playing for 1-0 wins to me and I don't want to see us going down that road once again.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kc56wba on May 21, 2018, 10:46:05 PM
Jenkins said what he said a few weeks ago and I thing it would be wrong for the club to try to quietly sweep that under the carpet. Style of play is key to deciding what players to sign, so it can't be ignored. "Situation management" smacks of playing for 1-0 wins to me and I don't want to see us going down that road once again.

Worked with Sir Gary Megson.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 21, 2018, 10:52:51 PM
Worked with Sir Gary Megson.
Yes and it wasn't good to watch, unless all you're bothered about is winning the game at any cost. Do you really want yet more negative football after 3 years of Pulis?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 21, 2018, 10:55:21 PM
Jenkins said what he said a few weeks ago and I thing it would be wrong for the club to try to quietly sweep that under the carpet. Style of play is key to deciding what players to sign, so it can't be ignored. "Situation management" smacks of playing for 1-0 wins to me and I don't want to see us going down that road once again.
Situation management could also refer to changes made during a game.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 21, 2018, 10:55:46 PM
With regard to the player situation, I am far more comfortable with the reasoned, measured and calculated approach that Darren and the club are employing in this area, more so than the "shoot from the hip" approach and get rid ASAP approach as it's "more professional".

We live in a society where most things are disposable, including relationships, and instant success is a demanded more than something to be earned.

I am very optimistic about the new era the club, Head Coach et al, players and us fans are embarking on, my half full glass is overflowing

Great post.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 21, 2018, 10:56:37 PM
Why don't we give Gary Megson a swerve now guys,he's history ,getting a bit fed up of him being something of a recurring mesiah.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ripryan1971 on May 21, 2018, 10:57:48 PM
Lads its a results business and soon as you get that in your heads all will be fine. I don't want to be playing pretty football and stuck in midtable of Championship and there's teams that do that.

If you don't conceed goals you get 1 point, and you build from there, there's no guarantee of points if you score 2-3 goals in a game, if your defence is poor
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kc56wba on May 21, 2018, 11:12:41 PM
Yes and it wasn't good to watch, unless all you're bothered about is winning the game at any cost. Do you really want yet more negative football after 3 years of Pulis?

If Darren does the same as Megson, play offs in the first season in charge and the promotion in the second year fans wont care if it is 1-0 wins just so long as they win. One thing they wont stand for is defeat after defeat no matter if the football is attractive.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on May 21, 2018, 11:15:02 PM
Jenkins said what he said a few weeks ago and I thing it would be wrong for the club to try to quietly sweep that under the carpet. Style of play is key to deciding what players to sign, so it can't be ignored. "Situation management" smacks of playing for 1-0 wins to me and I don't want to see us going down that road once again.

"Situation Management" is exactly what it says on the tin, you manage situations.

As far as player recruitment is concerned, I agree with a number of other posters, that we're screaming out for a number 10.
At this stage, we don't know who's going & who's staying, but if we're going down the "situation management" route, we'll need a number of versatile players.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 22, 2018, 12:25:48 AM
Sorry situational management is not how football works. Coaches have a default style they can tweak it they adapt it within the overall parameters of the style but there is common idea or philosophy at the heart of it.

Take one of the most consistent style templates from the last decade or so Mourinho's 4-2-3-1. Against weaker opposition particularly at home. The full backs and the double pivot camp in the opposition half pinning their opponents back allowing the front four to operate within the final third constantly probing for openings while recycling possession either among themselves or back through the deep sitting midfielders.

Equally the same formation when deployed against one of the bigger teams is used to form a deep sitting block with a couple of out balls. The same personnel are often deployed in both versions.

Darren will find a playing identity, he needs to be clear about what it is and what he needs to make it work.

Today it is not clear.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on May 22, 2018, 08:37:51 AM
Sorry situational management is not how football works. Coaches have a default style they can tweak it they adapt it within the overall parameters of the style but there is common idea or philosophy at the heart of it.

Take one of the most consistent style templates from the last decade or so Mourinho's 4-2-3-1. Against weaker opposition particularly at home. The full backs and the double pivot camp in the opposition half pinning their opponents back allowing the front four to operate within the final third constantly probing for openings while recycling possession either among themselves or back through the deep sitting midfielders.

Equally the same formation when deployed against one of the bigger teams is used to form a deep sitting block with a couple of out balls. The same personnel are often deployed in both versions.

Darren will find a playing identity, he needs to be clear about what it is and what he needs to make it work.

Today it is not clear.

Stan,

First of all let me say, your knowledge of football tactics is far more advanced than mine, & I wouldn't take issue with anything you say, however..........
Darren More was asked about style, & his reply suggested that he would attempt to manage situations as they arose.
You may well be right, that successful, high profile coaches have a default style & a situation management style per ce is just too complex, or costly to adopt.

Darren is making all the right noises right now, but there is a lot of idealism in his speeches, think we really need an experienced assistant for him as a foil.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 22, 2018, 09:35:05 AM
Yesterday he said:
 “I want to build a team that has different dimensions to it. The fans can expect a team that will play attractive football but also a team that’s willing to fight and scrap for every ball."

“There’s many different challenges but we need to create a team that can be prepared for those challenges. We will need to be mentally and physically prepared."

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/may/moore-outlines-battle-plan/
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 22, 2018, 09:46:07 AM
I haven't read a lot of what has come out in the media, not overly fussed on it, I will judge on what I see on the pitch.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on May 22, 2018, 09:50:07 AM
I remember Pardew constantly talking up the style of play he wanted and we know where that went. As Fritzl says, we can only judge what we see on the pitch over time.

Hopefully, we'll see the style evolve whilst maintaining decent results. The start of the season is about hitting the ground running, getting results and being top 4 by November/ Christmas. Then we can try to evolve and develop the way we play whilst winning. I don't know of many teams that play great, attacking but losing football and sustain this. Mowbray's premier league team was pedestrian and boring to watch for me.

A nice balance with a team who can actually keep the ball more at home and break with pace, quickly , especially away from home whilst being defensively sound would be very nice indeed. Oh yes, a natural finisher or two to put them away would be perfect.

We need a midfield first though - something we haven't had for a few years!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on May 22, 2018, 11:19:54 AM
I like what he is saying. Flexibility is the key to any successful business, the thought that one method will work ad infinitum is ridiculous.
Both Pulis and Pardew, whilst polar opposites in terms of style, both fell victim of their inability to change, sticking to their, frankly, tired and tested methods and paid the price.
One of the worst phrases in business, for me, is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". The only way to ensure a process is still fit for purpose is to constantly review and update.
With this in mind, Big Dave's "Inexperience" could be a blessing, in that he doesn't have a deeply ingrained style, which will hopefully allow him to be more flexible and adaptable.
In order to play free flowing, attacking football, the most important ingredient is confidence, the best way to build confidence is to win games. To this end, I would fully expect us to start off next season in a similar vein to which we ended last. If this works and we get points on the board then, gradually, we can expand on our style. In order to do this of course, you have to have the personnel, which is what he alluded to in his conference. We need to build a squad and an ethos that is capable of both.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 22, 2018, 11:36:42 AM
Hey setee,I agree with you that in football flexibility is key but not always in business.
If you have a successful business plan don't change it e.g.MacDonald's,that's the same formula all over the world ,I think that works don't you?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on May 22, 2018, 12:24:29 PM
Hey setee,I agree with you that in football flexibility is key but not always in business.
If you have a successful business plan don't change it e.g.MacDonald's,that's the same formula all over the world ,I think that works don't you?
The basics may appear the same but I can pretty much guarantee that McDonalds will have changed their operating methods significantly over the years. They would constantly have to review methods, ingredients, trends etc.
Not resting on one's laurels was more the message.
The amount of times I've gone into a new business and seen something odd, so asked why they do it that way, and got the response "We've always done it that way" is scary.
The very best businesses are always one step ahead of the game, but the very ninimum requirement is to keep up.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 22, 2018, 12:28:50 PM
Hi mate,I reiterate that their basic plan has stayed the same they may tweak the ingredients but I can tell you that their chocolate milkshake tastes the same here,in new York and Japan!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 22, 2018, 12:29:58 PM
The basics may appear the same but I can pretty much guarantee that McDonalds will have changed their operating methods significantly over the years. They would constantly have to review methods, ingredients, trends etc.
Not resting on one's laurels was more the message.
The amount of times I've gone into a new business and seen something odd, so asked why they do it that way, and got the response "We've always done it that way" is scary.
The very best businesses are always one step ahead of the game, but the very ninimum requirement is to keep up.

Totally agree. Have to be able to adapt to change or if you want to be the best, be the trendsetter.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on May 22, 2018, 12:41:07 PM
Hi mate,I reiterate that their basic plan has stayed the same they may tweak the ingredients but I can tell you that their chocolate milkshake tastes the same here,in new York and Japan!
Don't disagree that some things may never change, doesn't mean you don't review it to ensure it's still relevant. If you do it on a regular basis then it becomes, as you say, subtle teaks, whereas, if left too long, then it can involve major changes, which can prove catastrophic.
Could argue that this is what we did with Pulis and just assumed that he would always keep us up, because that's what he'd always done. When we realised this was not the case, it was too late for minor tweaks and we tried to change too much, too soon.
The key is not to assume something is still fit for purpose, without actually proving it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on May 22, 2018, 12:41:56 PM
Sorry situational management is not how football works. Coaches have a default style they can tweak it they adapt it within the overall parameters of the style but there is common idea or philosophy at the heart of it...

...Equally the same formation when deployed against one of the bigger teams is used to form a deep sitting block with a couple of out balls. The same personnel are often deployed in both versions.

Darren will find a playing identity, he needs to be clear about what it is and what he needs to make it work.

Today it is not clear.

I was going to say pretty much exactly this. I can't think of a single successful manager that doesn't have some sort of everpresent footballing philosophy/style attached to their name, and just plays each game completely differently. With Mourinho, Guardiola, Wenger, even right down to Pulis, all of these managers have a style, they don't venture from game to game completely changing the ethos. Yes, good managers tweak things, good managers have backup plans and different tactics, but good managers will nearly always have an eventual vision of how they want the game to be played and will build a team and plan around that vision.

Being honest, I think it's very unlikely that Moore will be an attacking manager. He was a defender as a player, spent years under Pulis and took us to a defensive style during his caretaker stint. Yes, I don't know for sure, but given all these factors alongside the fact that he avoids talking about playing better football, you can hazard an educated guess.

We all want to see free-flowing football, however whatever works best for us is always the best option. I'm sure if we were offered promotion right now in exchange for playing a more defensive style, we'd bite their hand off. Would be nice to have a balance, like in the Hodgson era, but lets see what happens...

BIG DAVE'S BARMY ARMY
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 22, 2018, 01:23:22 PM
Come to think about it Ollie,are there many strikers who have made good coaches?
They seem to be mostly defenders don't they?
Is there one ex striker who's a coach in the premier or championship?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 22, 2018, 01:27:44 PM
I'm puzzled why so many people have a fixation that:

Defensive football => promotion
Attacking football => mid-table obscurity

It's not black and white - both styles of play can be effective and both can fail miserably. Let's try to build a squad which can attack with pace/flair and be resolute in defence, surely everyone can agree with that approach?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on May 22, 2018, 01:34:47 PM
Devils advocate,
Mourinhio has parked the bus many times!
Pep & Conte have squads of 20 plus A grade players,

DM will have a core of players he will use as much as possible and then flex the others when he feels its appropriate. The key is, will the core be progressive or conservative? and, will the more peripheral players be competent to influence games as required by the tactics?

To compare what will be a championship squad with Prem top 6 resources is frankly a redundant discussion
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 22, 2018, 01:50:10 PM
Come to think about it Ollie,are there many strikers who have made good coaches?
They seem to be mostly defenders don't they?
Is there one ex striker who's a coach in the premier or championship?

Mark Hughes is the only 1 in the Prem, Klopp started out as a striker at Mainz but then became a defender!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 22, 2018, 07:27:15 PM
I didn't hear all of the Radio WM phone-in at 6.00pm this evening, where Darren was taking calls from fans, but I did catch 2 questions regarding our style of play going forward. The first was from Paul Franks, but Darren dodged it by turning it round to make it about counteracting the opposition. Approaching games through fear of the opposition is obviously something he's learned from Pulis over the years. Right at the end of the phone-in, a fan also asked him about our style of play (referring to Pulis's dire football in the process), but Darren was non-committal again, merely referring to us playing with 2 strikers and 2 wide players during his 6 game caretaker stint, but saying nothing about us conceding so much possession.

Judging by Darren's comments tonight, what Jenkins said about us adopting a much more attacking style of play isn't going to happen. Obviously we'll have to see who goes and who comes in before we get a better idea, but I wasn't encouraged by what was said this evening.

What we seem to have forgotten is that it's not just about playing with 2 strikers and 2 wide players, but that we need to both be able get behind teams and also play through them. For example, Albion have become almost devoid of the ability to play through balls. It's a vital aspect of attacking, but we've pretty much stopped using it as a method of creating chances. We need to be able to attack in a number of different ways so that we're not one-dimensional and give the opposition several things to worry about. I hope to see some evidence of this being recognised and acted upon as we go through the summer and into next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on May 22, 2018, 07:44:54 PM
I didn't hear all of the Radio WM phone-in at 6.00pm this evening, where Darren was taking calls from fans, but I did catch 2 questions regarding our style of play going forward. The first was from Paul Franks, but Darren dodged it by turning it round to make it about counteracting the opposition. Approaching games through fear of the opposition is obviously something he's learned from Pulis over the years. Right at the end of the phone-in, a fan also asked him about our style of play (referring to Pulis's dire football in the process), but Darren was non-committal again, merely referring to us playing with 2 strikers and 2 wide players during his 6 game caretaker stint, but saying nothing about us conceding so much possession.

Judging by Darren's comments tonight, what Jenkins said about us adopting a much more attacking style of play isn't going to happen. Obviously we'll have to see who goes and who comes in before we get a better idea, but I wasn't encouraged by what was said this evening.

What we seem to have forgotten is that it's not just about playing with 2 strikers and 2 wide players, but that we need to both be able get behind teams and also play through them. For example, Albion have become almost devoid of the ability to play through balls. It's a vital aspect of attacking, but we've pretty much stopped using it as a method of creating chances. We need to be able to attack in a number of different ways so that we're not one-dimensional and give the opposition several things to worry about. I hope to see some evidence of this being recognised and acted upon as we go through the summer and into next season.
I'm extremely concerned about the appointment. It's clear from his answers to every interview that he has no tactical knowledge (including his responses to last season's post-match interviews), and his stock answer about "togetherness"/related platitudes is already becoming repetitive. This is consistent with his (albeit successful) frankly baffling substitutions and the fact he has predominantly played/coached under Megson, Billy Davies and Pulis. I only hope that the coaches behind the scenes (Cutler, Shan, the new assistant) have much greater tactical and technical knowledge, and will be taking care of this side of things.

I suspect that posters claiming that he is just "keeping his cards close to his chest" or being "flexible" are thinking wishfully, and reading far more into his answers than what really exists - which is that they simply lack substance.

This may seem harsh given his status with the club, and again, I genuinely hope to be proved badly, badly wrong. But, I fear that there will be a slow realisation of my point over the course of next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: telford baggie on May 22, 2018, 08:07:17 PM
amazing how many people will accept defensive football now big dave is in charge but wouldnt under pulis! and how forgiving they are of the crap that was on the pitch last season,all of a sudden want them to stay. dont go blaming lai and jenkins when this all goes wrong
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on May 22, 2018, 08:22:18 PM
Sorry situational management is not how football works. Coaches have a default style they can tweak it they adapt it within the overall parameters of the style but there is common idea or philosophy at the heart of it.

Take one of the most consistent style templates from the last decade or so Mourinho's 4-2-3-1. Against weaker opposition particularly at home. The full backs and the double pivot camp in the opposition half pinning their opponents back allowing the front four to operate within the final third constantly probing for openings while recycling possession either among themselves or back through the deep sitting midfielders.

Equally the same formation when deployed against one of the bigger teams is used to form a deep sitting block with a couple of out balls. The same personnel are often deployed in both versions.

Darren will find a playing identity, he needs to be clear about what it is and what he needs to make it work.

Today it is not clear.

There's more to 'Situational Management' than that, and you've probably cited one of the worst case manager's in this instance. Situational management does indeed focus on flexibility and change, but this includes incorporation of the resources at your disposal in the present time. Ie, don't ask people to do what they can't do. Mourinho constantly slates those who can't do what he asks them to do.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: leeiswba on May 22, 2018, 08:33:24 PM
I don’t know what some people mean by attacking football, there is some kind of middle ground between Pulis and Mowbray for instance. All these that crave this certain attacking football can they tell me which teams play like this?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on May 22, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
Pardew played more attacking football :)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VVVAlbion on May 22, 2018, 09:02:07 PM
Pardew, like Pepe Mel before him, tried to get the club to run before it could walk and change the mindset and style of a group of players brought together to play in a certain way. Moore, like Downing and Kiely before him, went back to basics and playing (more) to the strengths of the players available to them. Ultimately we don't really know what Big Dave is going to offer (one of my concerns about his appointment) and we may only get an indication when we start recruiting. If we are linked to a lot of 6ft 6 centre halfs, start worrying.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: alwaysbilly on May 22, 2018, 09:45:08 PM
I don’t know what some people mean by attacking football, there is some kind of middle ground between Pulis and Mowbray for instance. All these that crave this certain attacking football can they tell me which teams play like this?
Not too many get out of the championship playing flowing football.

I like the idea of a team that can play but also can scrap - we need some Sean Gregans, Siggi’s, Moore’s mixed with good attack minded players
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 22, 2018, 09:46:23 PM
I don’t know what some people mean by attacking football, there is some kind of middle ground between Pulis and Mowbray for instance. All these that crave this certain attacking football can they tell me which teams play like this?
The middle ground you refer to is fine, but we haven't occupied it for some considerable time. Pardew tried to make us more attacking, but it backfired for whatever reason (which perhaps had a much to do with players being out of the comfort zone as Pardew's ineptitude). There's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't sign suitable players and then set up to play in a similar manner to how Wolves, Fulham and Wigan have approached this season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 22, 2018, 10:17:16 PM
Not too many get out of the championship playing flowing football.
2017-18:
The top 2 clubs were in the top 8 for average shots on goal
The champions (Wolves) were 5th for possession %
The champions were 2nd for passing accuracy
The champions scored 82 goals. The next 2 highest scorers (Villa & Fulham) are in the play-off final.
Fulham were 1st for both possession % and passing accuracy
2016-17:
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 8 for average shots on goal
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 7 for possession %
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 6 for passing accuracy
The champions (Newcastle) scored 85 goals. The runners-up (Brighton) scored 74.
2015-16:
The top 2 clubs (Hull and Middlesbrough) had the highest average shots on goal
2 of the promoted clubs were in the top 7 for possession %
2 of the promoted clubs were in the top 3 for passing accuracy
No-one else scored more goals than the champions (Burnley) - 72 goals
2014-15:
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 8 for average shots on goal
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 9 for possession %
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 7 for passing accuracy
The champions (Bournemouth) scored 95 goals. The runners-up (Watford) scored 91. Norwich (who won the play-offs) scored 88.
2013-14:
3 promoted clubs were in the top 9 for average shots on goal
The 2 of the promoted clubs were in the top 7 for possession %
The champions (Leicester) scored 83 goals. The runners-up (Burnley) scored 72.

Source: Whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com)

Stats aren't available on that website for earlier seasons.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2018, 10:47:26 PM
2017-18:
The top 2 clubs were in the top 8 for average shots on goal
The champions (Wolves) were 5th for possession %
The champions were 2nd for passing accuracy
The champions scored 82 goals. The next 2 highest scorers (Villa & Fulham) are in the play-off final.
Fulham were 1st for both possession % and passing accuracy
2016-17:
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 8 for average shots on goal
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 7 for possession %
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 6 for passing accuracy
The champions (Newcastle) scored 85 goals. The runners-up (Brighton) scored 74.
2015-16:
The top 2 clubs (Hull and Middlesbrough) had the highest average shots on goal
2 of the promoted clubs were in the top 7 for possession %
2 of the promoted clubs were in the top 3 for passing accuracy
No-one else scored more goals than the champions (Burnley) - 72 goals
2014-15:
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 8 for average shots on goal
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 9 for possession %
The 3 promoted clubs were in the top 7 for passing accuracy
The champions (Bournemouth) scored 95 goals. The runners-up (Watford) scored 91. Norwich (who won the play-offs) scored 88.
2013-14:
3 promoted clubs were in the top 9 for average shots on goal
The 2 of the promoted clubs were in the top 7 for possession %
The champions (Leicester) scored 83 goals. The runners-up (Burnley) scored 72.

Source: Whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com)

Stats aren't available on that website for earlier seasons.


Some of the teams that scored the most goals got promoted... Brilliant insight mate.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 22, 2018, 10:52:44 PM
You don’t have to play freeflowing attacking football to scores lots of goals.

What is wrong with Darren Moore putting out a balanced team? Solid at the back with good counters, and also good in possession with a real impetus going forward?

You can be all those things.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 22, 2018, 11:12:15 PM
You don’t have to play freeflowing attacking football to scores lots of goals.

What is wrong with Darren Moore putting out a balanced team? Solid at the back with good counters, and also good in possession with a real impetus going forward?

You can be all those things.


Absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 22, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
You don’t have to play freeflowing attacking football to scores lots of goals.

What is wrong with Darren Moore putting out a balanced team? Solid at the back with good counters, and also good in possession with a real impetus going forward?

You can be all those things.

The only person who ever achieved all of that was Ranieri at Leicester in fairness.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 22, 2018, 11:35:22 PM
What is wrong with Darren Moore putting out a balanced team? Solid at the back with good counters, and also good in possession with a real impetus going forward?
Nothing's wrong with it at all, there's just no indication at present that it's how we're going to play.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Barrington on May 23, 2018, 05:34:35 AM
Anyone else notice how many times he says "West Bromwich Albion Football Club" when being interviewed? Going to start making a note of how often he uses the full name, because it's quite frequent, and slightly annoying  ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 23, 2018, 07:39:02 AM
The only person who ever achieved all of that was Ranieri at Leicester in fairness.

Leicester weren’t really that balanced, they were ultra defensive with devastating counters and balls over the top. We took points off of them but playing them at their own game. They didn’t really know what to do with possession.

Darren Moore is already on record as saying he wants his teams to be effective in possession.

Any manager worth his salt try’s to counter act opposition strengths. Unless your Man City with infinite resources you have to. Pulis took it too far and only worried about the opposition. Nothing to suggest Moore is going to do that.

I don’t think we’ll be playing tippy tappy but I expect Moore to like quick, strong, athletic and committed players and that lends itself to some exciting football.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiebof on May 23, 2018, 08:00:56 AM
Leicester weren’t really that balanced, they were ultra defensive with devastating counters and balls over the top. We took points off of them but playing them at their own game. They didn’t really know what to do with possession.

What you are saying is generally true however they were better in possession than you are giving them credit for; I certainly remember them at our place having their full backs high and Schmeichel throwing the ball out to them or rolling it to Kante or Drinkwater in between the centre backs. Maher and Albrighton were threats wide too.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on May 23, 2018, 08:54:44 AM
Anyone else notice how many times he says "West Bromwich Albion Football Club" when being interviewed? Going to start making a note of how often he uses the full name, because it's quite frequent, and slightly annoying  ;D


That's who we are and that's what we're called. I hate being called West Brom.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 23, 2018, 09:11:31 AM

That's who we are and that's what we're called. I hate being called West Brom.

I'm not keen on that abbreviation either. The full name is fine, doesn't annoy me; in fact it sounds reverential.

But if you're going to shorten it or nickname it, Albion, Throstles, Baggies...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ashcroft19 on May 23, 2018, 09:14:18 AM
Quite right, I dislike us being referred to as “theAlbion” . We are West Bromwich Albion, to miss of the West Bromwich is losing our identity.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: miggybaggy on May 23, 2018, 09:16:58 AM

That's who we are and that's what we're called. I hate being called West Brom.

Christ, yes!! So do I! I thought I was alone in thinking that. We're the Albion or the Baggies. Or the full monty as Darren says. End of.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 23, 2018, 10:03:21 AM
have to change the words to one of our songs then!

West Brom FC from, the black country......
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on May 23, 2018, 10:23:30 AM
Anyone else notice how many times he says "West Bromwich Albion Football Club" when being interviewed? Going to start making a note of how often he uses the full name, because it's quite frequent, and slightly annoying  ;D

Yes and I think it's great  ;D !
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mr Cynical on May 23, 2018, 11:15:18 AM
we may only get an indication when we start recruiting. If we are linked to a lot of 6ft 6 centre halfs, start worrying.

Although we do need at least 2 centre halfs... so don't worry prematurely...

If we can get back to a midfield that played like Morrison, Gera, Brunt and Texiera, Robbie Koren and Greeno (I think they were the words?) then we'll have overachieved.

I hope Big Dave is recruiting to fit his style and that it will be aspirational.  I hope that playing a better type of football is part of the brief he's been given.  Most of us will remember that a lot of the time in the championship its a battle of attrition that you have to overcome in order to play your football. 

In reality the players that stay should provide the experience and we should be looking to find young dynamic players to fill the gaps.  Much like Burnt and Morrison were 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Wigmore on May 23, 2018, 12:15:09 PM
Anyone else notice how many times he says "West Bromwich Albion Football Club" when being interviewed? Going to start making a note of how often he uses the full name, because it's quite frequent, and slightly annoying  ;D

It looks like you are going to be very busy noting DM's reiteration of our club's name.
If he wants to say it each and every time he opens his mouth, that's fine by me (and other posters, judging by the responses).
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mikkyk on May 23, 2018, 01:40:07 PM
Although we do need at least 2 centre halfs... so don't worry prematurely...

If we can get back to a midfield that played like Morrison, Gera, Brunt and Texiera, Robbie Koren and Greeno (I think they were the words?) then we'll have overachieved.

I hope Big Dave is recruiting to fit his style and that it will be aspirational.  I hope that playing a better type of football is part of the brief he's been given.  Most of us will remember that a lot of the time in the championship its a battle of attrition that you have to overcome in order to play your football. 

In reality the players that stay should provide the experience and we should be looking to find young dynamic players to fill the gaps.  Much like Burnt and Morrison were 10 years ago.

There were a load of different versions of this but I think the one that encapsulated the most was Morrison, Gera, Brunt and Texeira, Kim, Koren and Jono-o-oh.

Sadly I can't see us having an exciting midfield like that next season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 23, 2018, 03:40:57 PM
Anyone else notice how many times he says "West Bromwich Albion Football Club" when being interviewed? Going to start making a note of how often he uses the full name, because it's quite frequent, and slightly annoying  ;D

I think he is reinforcing our identity, which has gone AWOL in the last few years and I wholeheartedly agree with him
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 23, 2018, 05:04:00 PM
There were a load of different versions of this but I think the one that encapsulated the most was Morrison, Gera, Brunt and Texeira, Kim, Koren and Jono-o-oh.

Sadly I can't see us having an exciting midfield like that next season.
Morrison, Gera, Brunt & Texeira, Robert Koren & Jonno
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on May 23, 2018, 05:48:53 PM
Anyone else notice how many times he says "West Bromwich Albion Football Club" when being interviewed? Going to start making a note of how often he uses the full name, because it's quite frequent, and slightly annoying  ;D

You're criticising a club legend for referring to our club its full name.

If this is the kind of criticism Big Dave will be facing then West Bromwich Albion Football Club will have a much lower chance of promotion than I anticipated.

Our new manager has installed a level of identity and pride at a speed I didn't think was possible, particularly considering the damage by Pardew and Pulis.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on May 23, 2018, 05:53:29 PM
I didn't think they'd go for Moore, but now they have, I am going to stop worrying about it and just get behind him 100%

Come on you West Bromwich Albion!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Barrington on May 23, 2018, 06:05:47 PM
You're criticising a club legend for referring to our club its full name.

If this is the kind of criticism Big Dave will be facing then West Bromwich Albion Football Club will have a much lower chance of promotion than I anticipated.

Our new manager has installed a level of identity and pride at a speed I didn't think was possible, particularly considering the damage by Pardew and Pulis.

Crikey guys. See my previous post about Moore in this thread saying that I am very happy about it. I was highlighting a little quirk that personally cranks ME slightly. Notice the big Smiley at the end. No need to get so hurt about it or take it quite so seriously......   ::)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wardy65 on May 23, 2018, 06:59:47 PM
Crikey guys. See my previous post about Moore in this thread saying that I am very happy about it. I was highlighting a little quirk that personally cranks ME slightly. Notice the big Smiley at the end. No need to get so hurt about it or take it quite so seriously......   ::)
Lol, did get shredded a bit there didn't you pal.
Tbh, I see where you're coming from, but it's been going on for years & way before big Dave was even thinking about management. I seem to remember the Dingles old boss Dave Jones being the chief culprit, with everything finishing with 'Wolverhampton Wanderers football club.'
Don't think anyone minds us being called West Bromwich Albion, but i do find the constant reminder that we're a football club a bit unnecessary.
In a way though, I'm loving the support of big Dave, & how our fans have got his back. Long may that continue. I'll be up there next week renewing mine and my 2 sons season tickets, and look forward to the appointment of hopefully Shakespeare or Super Kev, as his assistant.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 24, 2018, 01:27:51 PM
I guess we can now look forward to this forum soon being renamed to westbromwichalbionfootballclub.com. It has a certain ring to it, don't you agree?  ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on May 24, 2018, 01:49:51 PM
It rolls off the tongue. As a kid in the 60's i always got excited by the West Bromwich Albion v Manchester United fixture.
It sounded more appealing than West Brom v Man U.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on May 24, 2018, 03:37:17 PM
And, may I add, we also have a tuneful terrace song that spells it out.  ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 24, 2018, 07:36:48 PM
It rolls off the tongue. As a kid in the 60's i always got excited by the West Bromwich Albion v Manchester United fixture.
It sounded more appealing than West Brom v Man U.

Where's the 'like' button on here again?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on May 24, 2018, 07:38:29 PM
I guess we can now look forward to this forum soon being renamed to westbromwichalbionfootballclub.com. It has a certain ring to it, don't you agree?  ;D

Ok so you've convinced me that sometimes westbrom is fine. ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggie79 on May 24, 2018, 09:49:58 PM
I have already heard some serious moans from people about Moore that are usually very level headed and positive. If he doesn't start well I think we will see the knives coming out and his reputation under question.

I believe the fans that have been around for a longtime will cut him some slack but the premiership generation will soon turn if given any excuse.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 24, 2018, 09:57:55 PM
He's a baggie mate,we will give him time,give him a chance,crikey he's only had the job a matter of days.
If all these soothsayers who proficy the future were right they'd be millionaires by now.
Give the fella a break.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiebof on May 24, 2018, 10:00:35 PM
I have already heard some serious moans from people about Moore that are usually very level headed and positive.

Other fans or people closer to the club?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on May 25, 2018, 01:43:18 AM
I have already heard some serious moans from people about Moore that are usually very level headed and positive. If he doesn't start well I think we will see the knives coming out and his reputation under question.

I believe the fans that have been around for a longtime will cut him some slack but the premiership generation will soon turn if given any excuse.

I don't think there has been a Head Coach who has started their tenure with so much good will even among the small group of Albion fans who have the reservations about the appointment (according to newspaper polls he has an 85% or better approval rating).

 How long this lasts is anyone's guess. My view is if Albion fans back the appointment then they have to accept the consequences and be patient. Regardless of what I think of the appointment I am fully prepared to give Moore at least a full season in charge unless we find ourselves mired at the foot of the table at the halfway point. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: chipperclark on May 25, 2018, 02:56:07 AM
It rolls off the tongue. As a kid in the 60's i always got excited by the West Bromwich Albion v Manchester United fixture.
It sounded more appealing than West Brom v Man U.
;D I also got excited as the 1960s team was fun to watch and if the opposition scored 4 goals we would get 5.
I remember some results such as 4-4 v Arsenal,4-3 v Man Utd 5-4 v Everton. Those were the days...and I agree we are West Bromwich Albion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: The Black Pearl on May 25, 2018, 07:06:14 AM
I hope big Dave is astute enough to get good people around him, that is the key to success for him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 25, 2018, 04:12:07 PM
"Darren Moore looks for a range of skills for West Brom"

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/05/25/darren-moore-looks-for-a-range-of-skills-for-west-brom/
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 25, 2018, 04:36:15 PM
Everything he has said so far lends itself to a team that could be very exciting to watch. Not snooze fest tippy tappy rubbish. But some exciting football no doubt, if words translate to the pitch.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on May 25, 2018, 04:46:08 PM
Everything he has said so far lends itself to a team that could be very exciting to watch. Not snooze fest tippy tappy rubbish. But some exciting football no doubt, if words translate to the pitch.

Impossible to know what to expect at this point. At least all the upheaval brings some excitement with lots of transfers due, new assistant manager, new league, new DOF, looks like absolute chaos, hopefully it all pans out. Got a lot of reservations about appointing a rookie manager at such a key time in our history but you can't deny his passion or bond with the team and fans. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 25, 2018, 06:02:08 PM
Everything he has said so far lends itself to a team that could be very exciting to watch.
I'm not sure on what basis you've arrived at that conclusion. The best we have so far from him in terms of potential excitement is "we'll play football when needed". The obvious question that begs is under what circumstances does he think it'll be needed and we don't have the answer as yet.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 25, 2018, 06:21:43 PM
There will always be doubters and, as Darren is a confirmed Christian, he would use the Biblical character "Thomas" to describe them.

In my view, we, as fans, have to accept what Darren says are his desired intentions at this time. Obviously, in practise, it may not always go to script and be deliverable for many reasons.

If Darren didn't put forward his vision, he would be criticised. He puts forward a vision and he is doubted. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 26, 2018, 11:47:21 AM
If Darren didn't put forward his vision, he would be criticised. He puts forward a vision and he is doubted.
Online forums like this one exist to discuss everything to do with the club. What's said by those at the club gets analysed, what they do gets dissected - that's the nature of the beast and is as it should be.

Darren will be the subject of scrutiny like any other manager we've had in the past or will have in the future. Just because of his past associations with the club, I don't think that should give him a magic free pass where nothing he does or says is reacted to or questioned. As long as people try to be objective, I think that's absolutely fine.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on May 26, 2018, 01:14:33 PM
Just met him at the airport, what a top man, genuinely humble, intelligent and down to earth. He’ll do for me.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on May 26, 2018, 01:23:26 PM
Is he going somewhere or is he meeting a new player?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on May 26, 2018, 02:08:17 PM
Online forums like this one exist to discuss everything to do with the club. What's said by those at the club gets analysed, what they do gets dissected - that's the nature of the beast and is as it should be.

Darren will be the subject of scrutiny like any other manager we've had in the past or will have in the future. Just because of his past associations with the club, I don't think that should give him a magic free pass where nothing he does or says is reacted to or questioned. As long as people try to be objective, I think that's absolutely fine.

I was stating a fact and not denying anyone a voice, weird why you would think like that

I suspect Darren would expect nothing less from the fanbase
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 26, 2018, 07:14:03 PM
I was stating a fact and not denying anyone a voice, weird why you would think like that
Calling people doubting Thomases isn't stated a fact, such a comment is loaded with subjectivity and cynicism.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adder on June 01, 2018, 11:05:28 AM
Do we know what DM's contract is ? I can't remember seeing anything other than 'an extended contract'. Given that he was only in charge to the end of the season originally that could mean anything.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on June 01, 2018, 03:52:16 PM
Calling people doubting Thomases isn't stated a fact, such a comment is loaded with subjectivity and cynicism.

You have obviously read into my post something that was not there and are being overscrupulous and/or pedantic and/or semantical. Could you point out where I called anyone a “Doubting Thomas” as you suggest”?

I wrote,

“There will always be doubters and, as Darren is a confirmed Christian, he would use the Biblical character "Thomas" to describe them.” 

I was actually using a simile to make a valid point if you had read the sentence more closely. 

One poster actually wrote:-

“I have already heard some serious moans from people about Moore that are usually very level headed and positive. If he doesn't start well I think we will see the knives coming out and his reputation under question”

Would you agree that post could be construed as implying and / or inferring having “doubts” and concerns about Darren on the part of “some people”? How would you describe their feelings?

Another poster wrote,

“Everything he has said so far lends itself to a team that could be very exciting to watch”

Your response,

“I'm not sure on what basis you've arrived at that conclusion. The best we have so far from him in terms of potential excitement is "we'll play football when needed". The obvious question that begs is under what circumstances does he think it'll be needed and we don't have the answer as yet”

I interpret that response as having “doubts” or were you being sceptical or something else? To a greater or lesser extent, we are all gifted /afflicted with subjectivity and cynicism, its called human nature and I’m sure you come across it or are involved in it every day.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 01, 2018, 05:07:29 PM
You have obviously read into my post something that was not there and are being overscrupulous and/or pedantic and/or semantical. Could you point out where I called anyone a “Doubting Thomas” as you suggest”?

I wrote,

“There will always be doubters and, as Darren is a confirmed Christian, he would use the Biblical character "Thomas" to describe them.”

I'm struggling to understand the point you're making here. You do understand that the phrase “Doubting Thomas” originally arose in the way you described? It's also always used with a negative and critical connotation, unless said in jest, but there were no emoticons in your post to suggest that you were making a joke.

I wasn't saying that there weren't doubters, or people expressing cynical views, but was commenting on your claim that people being "doubting Thomases" is a fact. Continuing with your biblical references, the obvious inference to draw from what you wrote is that anyone who has doubts about Darren is effectively a heretic.

Your view isn't a fact, it's just another opinion and that's the only point I was trying to make.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on June 02, 2018, 01:19:09 PM
I'm struggling to understand the point you're making here. You do understand that the phrase “Doubting Thomas” originally arose in the way you described? It's also always used with a negative and critical connotation, unless said in jest, but there were no emoticons in your post to suggest that you were making a joke.

I wasn't saying that there weren't doubters, or people expressing cynical views, but was commenting on your claim that people being "doubting Thomases" is a fact[/u]. Continuing with your biblical references, the obvious inference to draw from what you wrote is that anyone who has doubts about Darren is effectively a heretic.

Your view isn't a fact, it's just another opinion and that's the only point I was trying to make.

Obviously, clarification on Biblical definitions is required as you have introduce the word "Heretic" to further cloud and distort my post

Doubting Thomas - a person who refuse to believe something until they see definite proof or evidence of it.
Heretic - a belief or action that most people think is wrong, because it disagrees with beliefs that are generally accepted.

I think there is a distinct difference in definition and meaning between the two, you may not. However, there is nothing wrong with having doubts, it's a human emotion. Doubt involves the uncertainty about which decision will turn out best, we are faced with decisions every day and have doubts as to whether we have made the right choice! Personally, I fail to see how you can draw an inference to Heretic from my post given their different definitions and meanings.

I think there is enough evidence to be found on this forum to support the facts that people do doubt Darren and have included a few example for your perusal.

"Part of me feels it is a huge error, but that's more because I'd feel bad for Big Dave."
"If Big Dave had no connection to WBA would you be happy with this appointment based on his short managerial career so far?"
"He is a legend and he will get my support, but I am really worried. And I hope I am proved totally wrong."
"Everyone loves Big Dave but I don't think it's the appointment I'd hoped for"
"Moore lacks tactical knowledge and we are yet to see how he responds to defeat, let alone whether he can make really difficult decisions involved managing a football club over a full season."
"If he'd have achieved exactly the same as Stoke, who had ultimately gone down with us, would we even be considering appointing him?"
"If it's true .Then I wish him well and hope he does well.but the appointment doesn't really excite me ,so I won't be renewing my season ticket .Im out !"
"Personally I think I am giving up using this forum , it's full of non-supporting, moaners who can't wait until the bigger picture is revealed."
"I honestly wish I could get behind the appointment, but I can’t help thinking that it is completely the wrong way to move forward at a pivotal time for us."
"Feels very risky with his lack of experience. I love Big Dave but as someone else said previously, his post match interviews do turn more to cliches than indepth assessments."
"I would much prefer him to be the number 2 or joint manager if such a thing is possible (see Lincoln City!) with an experienced guy & cut his teeth the right way with a view to eventually taking the job."
"well 11.2% voting have got their wish, not a very big percentage"
"DM just seems like too much of a continuation of the old regime."
"Darren Moore made manager at a time that could make or break us. I still think i am having a nightmare."
"Amazing! Big Dave goes from hero to zero before he is even officially appointed. What a bunch of moaning Minnie's on this board."
"I don't wish ill on the bloke, but I can't see him being a success full time."
"I think what makes this decision hard to accept amongst us fans is that next season we should be the team with the ball, trying to attack, not the ones who are sitting back."
"give it until october and big dave pulis, shocking appointment"

The posters of the above aren't Heretics for expressing their doubts.

Good luck Darren, I have no evidence, but I feel you have more believers than those who are not.  :D ;D ;)

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 02, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
Doubt involves the uncertainty about which decision will turn out best, we are faced with decisions every day and have doubts as to whether we have made the right choice!
I understand what doubts are, but thanks for clarifying it. In my previous message I wrote: "I wasn't saying that there weren't doubters, or people expressing cynical views". I have some doubts about this appointment myself, quite large ones actually.

Good luck Darren, I have no evidence, but I feel you have more believers than those who are not.  :D ;D ;)
I'm sure that's true, but I think that if he'd been brought in having not had a past association with Albion, then the number of "believers" (to use your description) would be a lot less.

This is my last post in this sub-debate with you, as I'm sure the mods will either start removing posts or telling us to take it to PM if we continue with it!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 03, 2018, 12:05:11 AM
I understand what doubts are, but thanks for clarifying it. In my previous message I wrote: "I wasn't saying that there weren't doubters, or people expressing cynical views". I have some doubts about this appointment myself, quite large ones actually.
I'm sure that's true, but I think that if he'd been brought in having not had a past association with Albion, then the number of "believers" (to use your description) would be a lot less.

This is my last post in this sub-debate with you, as I'm sure the mods will either start removing posts or telling us to take it to PM if we continue with it!


His past association with Albion, namely 6 games and 11 points IS what got him the job.


Would we be as happy if he had no Albion association? No, but he wouldn't be in the job were that the case.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on June 03, 2018, 01:37:26 AM
He was not my choice, the appointment was probably for financial reasons.

But, he has all his coaching badges and is totally devoted to the club. Passion is the one thing money can't buy.
I'm in, let's all get behind him and create an irresitable tidal wave that nothing can withstand.
Out with negative thoughts.

We Are Albion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on June 03, 2018, 09:32:57 AM
He was not my choice, the appointment was probably for financial reasons.

But, he has all his coaching badges and is totally devoted to the club. Passion is the one thing money can't buy.
I'm in, let's all get behind him and create an irresitable tidal wave that nothing can withstand.
Out with negative thoughts.

We Are Albion.
my thoughts exactly, bring back the pride in the blue and white stripes
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on June 03, 2018, 11:24:24 AM
He was not my choice, the appointment was probably for financial reasons.

But, he has all his coaching badges and is totally devoted to the club. Passion is the one thing money can't buy.
I'm in, let's all get behind him and create an irresitable tidal wave that nothing can withstand.
Out with negative thoughts.

We Are Albion.


Nice one DW.

And as actions speak louder than words the following link may prove useful in your quest to create said irresistible tidal wave....  ;D .

https://wbatickets.co.uk/en-GB/subscriptions/season%20ticket%202018-19?hallmap
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on June 03, 2018, 04:59:45 PM
Nice one DW.

And as actions speak louder than words the following link may prove useful in your quest to create said irresistible tidal wave....  ;D .

https://wbatickets.co.uk/en-GB/subscriptions/season%20ticket%202018-19?hallmap


Can't afford an ST at the moment unless i get my redundancy. Might take in a game or two, if so i'll let you know for a meet in the Sportsman.

I hope now we have appointed Darren Moore he is given  the time to change things round.
When Giles first took over we were bottom of Div.2 at the end of September and out of the League Cup.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 03, 2018, 10:44:46 PM
He was not my choice, the appointment was probably for financial reasons.

But, he has all his coaching badges and is totally devoted to the club. Passion is the one thing money can't buy.
I'm in, let's all get behind him and create an irresitable tidal wave that nothing can withstand.
Out with negative thoughts.

We Are Albion.


Lovely. That's it entirely. COYB.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 03, 2018, 11:49:04 PM

Can't afford an ST at the moment unless i get my redundancy. Might take in a game or two, if so i'll let you know for a meet in the Sportsman.

I hope now we have appointed Darren Moore he is given  the time to change things round.
When Giles first took over we were bottom of Div.2 at the end of September and out of the League Cup.


Nice sentiment DW hope to see you in the Sportsman soon.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on June 04, 2018, 12:44:32 PM

Can't afford an ST at the moment unless i get my redundancy. Might take in a game or two, if so i'll let you know for a meet in the Sportsman.

I hope now we have appointed Darren Moore he is given  the time to change things round.
When Giles first took over we were bottom of Div.2 at the end of September and out of the League Cup.

Nice one.

Looking forward to a meet up.

It's been too long chap  8) .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on June 06, 2018, 07:31:44 PM
“West Brom boss Darren Moore has confidence in his contacts”

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/06/06/west-brom-boss-darren-moore-has-confidence-in-his-contacts/
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on June 06, 2018, 08:08:56 PM
This story seems to have gone under the radar but it has alarmed me a bit. If our transfer policy is going to be based on Big Dave's phone book then I feel we really have gone back on everything that made us a success back 8 years ago.

Clubs all over the world understand the importance of good scouting now including more and more English clubs. They hire directors of football and top scouts and look all over the world for players. Big Dave will no doubt know a lot of people having played at the top level for a fair few years, however how many of his contacts will honestly know about the next big thing in the Serbian or Romanian leagues?

Good scouting could allow us to find the next Robert Lewandowski or Luca Modric (both of whom we nearly signed when theu were in their native countries). I don't want us to just look at players in the British leagues who are over priced and often limited.

I really want to look forward to the new season as it is a chance for us to start winning games again after a few tough seasons post Dan Ashworth, but there are so many alarm bells ringing for me that i'm struggling. The club needs to go back to it's basics, instead of the current situation where it is unclear who does what and how decisions are made (other than on a whim like Lai seems to do). We will only have parachute payments for a limited time. Use them wisely.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on June 06, 2018, 08:12:50 PM
This story seems to have gone under the radar but it has alarmed me a bit. If our transfer policy is going to be based on Big Dave's phone book then I feel we really have gone back on everything that made us a success back 8 years ago.

Clubs all over the world understand the importance of good scouting now including more and more English clubs. They hire directors of football and top scouts and look all over the world for players. Big Dave will no doubt know a lot of people having played at the top level for a fair few years, however how many of his contacts will honestly know about the next big thing in the Serbian or Romanian leagues?

Good scouting could allow us to find the next Robert Lewandowski or Luca Modric (both of whom we nearly signed when theu were in their native countries). I don't want us to just look at players in the British leagues who are over priced and often limited.

I really want to look forward to the new season as it is a chance for us to start winning games again after a few tough seasons post Dan Ashworth, but there are so many alarm bells ringing for me that i'm struggling. The club needs to go back to it's basics, instead of the current situation where it is unclear who does what and how decisions are made (other than on a whim like Lai seems to do). We will only have parachute payments for a limited time. Use them wisely.

I’m hoping that story is one dimensional, considering we have a Technical Consultant, Giuliano Terraneo, who was given responsibilities for recruitment.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on June 06, 2018, 08:23:54 PM
It depends how they plan to make decisions albionfan. The club has lacked a clear structure ever since Ashworth left, with several football directors coming in with fancy titles but varying degrees of power. In the majority of Hammond's time here, Pulis signed the players he wanted and ignored Hammond from near enough all reports.

The owners have so far in 2 years displayed little evidence to convince that they are anywhere near nailing down a structure, with the latest move being to hire a 64 year old bloke who has had 1 concrete job in the last 17 years and made a pigs ear of it. His remit is apparantly to help over the summer and to find us a new technical director, although why he would want to find a replacement for himself remains to be seen and seeing as Lai eventually chose to forgoe the "attacking football" he briefed about by then going for Moore whi's success was based organisation rather than flair.

It just looks and feels messy.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on June 06, 2018, 08:31:44 PM
I acknowledge and take on board your points, but I do hope your assessment is wide of the mark for all our sakes and yours as well I suspect
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on June 06, 2018, 08:35:41 PM
This story seems to have gone under the radar but it has alarmed me a bit. If our transfer policy is going to be based on Big Dave's phone book then I feel we really have gone back on everything that made us a success back 8 years ago.

Clubs all over the world understand the importance of good scouting now including more and more English clubs. They hire directors of football and top scouts and look all over the world for players. Big Dave will no doubt know a lot of people having played at the top level for a fair few years, however how many of his contacts will honestly know about the next big thing in the Serbian or Romanian leagues?

Good scouting could allow us to find the next Robert Lewandowski or Luca Modric (both of whom we nearly signed when theu were in their native countries). I don't want us to just look at players in the British leagues who are over priced and often limited.

I really want to look forward to the new season as it is a chance for us to start winning games again after a few tough seasons post Dan Ashworth, but there are so many alarm bells ringing for me that i'm struggling. The club needs to go back to it's basics, instead of the current situation where it is unclear who does what and how decisions are made (other than on a whim like Lai seems to do). We will only have parachute payments for a limited time. Use them wisely.

To be honest, so am I.

After Mark Jenkins' "No stone unturned" speech, I thought we'd be well ahead of the game this summer, but all I'm hearing is platitudes & soundbites.
As things stand, just can't see us competing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: caravanc58 on June 06, 2018, 08:57:59 PM
nearly 3 weeks since Moore was appointed manager permanently, it appeared that there would be a lot of activity this summer and the assistant role is one i thought we would have filled by now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on June 06, 2018, 09:50:04 PM
Why is Dave on holiday?
I would have thought he should be on the case right now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 06, 2018, 09:50:33 PM
Why is Dave on holiday?
I would have thought he should be on the case right now.


When should he go?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 06, 2018, 09:52:19 PM
Why is Dave on holiday?
I would have thought he should be on the case right now.

It's not only him on holiday but pretty much the majority of European football.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on June 06, 2018, 10:41:19 PM

When should he go?

We don’t want him on holiday. We want him here, now, doing things, anythings as long as it gives the impression of movement. Making deals, appointing people, any people. We want activity, any activity, just do something Darren.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 06, 2018, 10:49:26 PM
Remember the old days, when factories and businesses used to close, at the same time, for two week summer holidays? It’s a bit like that for football at this moment. Then they open for business until the same time next year. I’m sure some poor sods still do stuff in the background, but it won’t amount to much.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 06, 2018, 11:09:58 PM
We don’t want him on holiday. We want him here, now, doing things, anythings as long as it gives the impression of movement. Making deals, appointing people, any people. We want activity, any activity, just do something Darren.

Nothing much is going to happen this side of the world cup.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 06, 2018, 11:29:17 PM
Nothing much is going to happen this side of the world cup.
The World Cup finishes on July 15th, by which time there will be 3.5 weeks before the transfer window closes.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on June 07, 2018, 12:32:43 AM
Nothing much is going to happen this side of the world cup.

Sorry, I forgot to add the tongue in cheek emoji to my post.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on June 07, 2018, 06:27:02 AM
The World Cup finishes on July 15th, by which time there will be 3.5 weeks before the transfer window closes.

Loads of time to get the freebies and over 30's that nobody else wants.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 07, 2018, 08:15:24 AM
Sorry, I forgot to add the tongue in cheek emoji to my post.

Haha fair play; as for July 15th not giving us enough time to do any business, we never start til then anyway.

I do feel Jenkins' speech was hot air. We'll never change.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on June 07, 2018, 11:09:02 AM
I would imagine a lot of his holiday time will be spent on the phone and laptop but we won't see anything concrete until he's back and that, for me, is a good thing. If we started employing assistants or buying players in his absence then it would just look like he wasn't in control.
I honestly think we will see a flurry of activity from next week onwards.

I really think a lot of people are underestimating Moore. Just because he's a nice bloke, doesn't make him weak. He's an intelligent, passionate and committed guy who will not be bullied, pretty much the same as he was as a player. How the fact that these characteristics have made him many friends within the game can be construed as negative is beyond me. I'm sure the likes of Pulis and Pardew had people who wouldn't even pick up the phone if their number popped up, whereas Darren will find many more open doors. I agree, we can't restrict our scouting but, who cares if we have a team full of British players? As long as they play as a team, with a bit of style, I would be more than happy.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: victor mature on June 07, 2018, 12:24:08 PM
I have a feeling we won't spend a penny until we sell and we won't spend a penny more than what funds are generated through sales. We can't end up like Villa.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adder on June 07, 2018, 02:55:57 PM
I have a feeling we won't spend a penny until we sell and we won't spend a penny more than what funds are generated through sales. We can't end up like Villa.
I assume there won't be any actual money changing hands until July 1st when the window officially opens but deals in and out can and should be progressed in the meantime. I think you're right that we'll be doing things very carefully and Mr Jenkins will be studying the goings on at Villa with interest.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on June 07, 2018, 04:23:35 PM
It's not a negative setee that Moore has friends in the game. My concern is more about how it reads on paper with the limited transcript of the interview. Moore talks about his years in the game meaning he has built up contacts around the country who he can speak to assisting with the identification of players.

This approach is the one we used years ago when we used to yo yo and what we seemed to revert to under Pulis. It goes back to the old early 2000's era of signing players who do well at a major tournament because that is where clubs notice them.

It was only 5 or 6 years ago when Ashworth and co were still here that we would hear lots about players being scouted for 2 years, transfer departments recording hours and hours of games from across the world to identify the next player of interest and us finding bargains such as free transfer Claudio Yacob, Yousouff Mulumbu, Peter Odemwingie and Craig Dawson. That was the right way to do it, as there are pkayers currently at clubs in smaller European leagues, available for less than 4 million who will one day end up playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City. I want our scouting to identify these players - not just the ones blokes working in lower league English scouting feel are handy.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on June 07, 2018, 04:41:45 PM
It's not a negative setee that Moore has friends in the game. My concern is more about how it reads on paper with the limited transcript of the interview. Moore talks about his years in the game meaning he has built up contacts around the country who he can speak to assisting with the identification of players.

This approach is the one we used years ago when we used to yo yo and what we seemed to revert to under Pulis. It goes back to the old early 2000's era of signing players who do well at a major tournament because that is where clubs notice them.

It was only 5 or 6 years ago when Ashworth and co were still here that we would hear lots about players being scouted for 2 years, transfer departments recording hours and hours of games from across the world to identify the next player of interest and us finding bargains such as free transfer Claudio Yacob, Yousouff Mulumbu, Peter Odemwingie and Craig Dawson. That was the right way to do it, as there are pkayers currently at clubs in smaller European leagues, available for less than 4 million who will one day end up playing for Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Man City. I want our scouting to identify these players - not just the ones blokes working in lower league English scouting feel are handy.
It would be great if we could get back to finding players who want to make their reputation with us, like Koren, Mulumbu, Yacob instead of Barry, Fletcher, Krychowiak who were all already jaded when they got here.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mikkyk on June 08, 2018, 12:35:27 AM
I have a feeling we won't spend a penny until we sell and we won't spend a penny more than what funds are generated through sales. We can't end up like Villa.

Let's please not use this as an excuse to sell players and not buy - we can definitely afford not to do that. Be very unfair on Darren if we were to go down that route.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on June 08, 2018, 09:07:11 AM
Let's please not use this as an excuse to sell players and not buy - we can definitely afford not to do that. Be very unfair on Darren if we were to go down that route.
Jenkins has already said there is a substantial budget and we don't have to sell. No reason to believe otherwise.
The only reason we haven't seen any business is because DM is on holiday, as are most of players. I predict, and I stand to be shot down, that by the time the window closes, we will be among the top spenders in the division.
We were hamstrung by FFP in the Prem but, the flex down in wages along with the exodus of some of the top earners, should mean we can spend, provided we keep the wage bill proportionate. Or have I got that wrong?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2018, 09:22:53 AM
Jenkins has already said there is a substantial budget and we don't have to sell. No reason to believe otherwise.
The only reason we haven't seen any business is because DM is on holiday, as are most of players. I predict, and I stand to be shot down, that by the time the window closes, we will be among the top spenders in the division.
We were hamstrung by FFP in the Prem but, the flex down in wages along with the exodus of some of the top earners, should mean we can spend, provided we keep the wage bill proportionate. Or have I got that wrong?

That's pretty much my understanding of it too. It is the wages that were the issue not the money for transfers, at least with Krychowiak, Sturridge and Evans gone that's about £300K saved in wages already.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 08, 2018, 09:34:23 AM
Jenkins has already said there is a substantial budget and we don't have to sell. No reason to believe otherwise.
The only reason we haven't seen any business is because DM is on holiday, as are most of players. I predict, and I stand to be shot down, that by the time the window closes, we will be among the top spenders in the division.
We were hamstrung by FFP in the Prem but, the flex down in wages along with the exodus of some of the top earners, should mean we can spend, provided we keep the wage bill proportionate. Or have I got that wrong?

In addition, the players we are going to be in the market for now are not going to be the sort of players who are playing at the World Cup in any event so there is no mad rush because of it being a disjointed summer.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 08, 2018, 10:33:11 AM
In addition, the players we are going to be in the market for now are not going to be the sort of players who are playing at the World Cup in any event so there is no mad rush because of it being a disjointed summer.

There are plenty of countries at the World Cup that could have players we may look at e.g. Portugal, Peru, Austria, Switzerland, Colombia, Russia, Sweden, Uruguay, Morrocco, Nigeria,Tunisia etc.Even squad players from some of the more fancied countries. Maybe we could unearth the kind of gem we used to?

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 08, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
I assume there won't be any actual money changing hands until July 1st when the window officially opens but deals in and out can and should be progressed in the meantime. I think you're right that we'll be doing things very carefully and Mr Jenkins will be studying the goings on at Villa with interest.

No, the window actually opened on May 17th. We can buy and sell now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on June 08, 2018, 01:54:55 PM
No, the window actually opened on May 17th. We can buy and sell now.

Ah yes, but the fresh Bosman free transfer targets don't become available until July 1st......  :-X .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 08, 2018, 01:58:24 PM
Ah yes, but the fresh Bosman free transfer targets don't become available until July 1st......  :-X .

Not true. We can negotiate with any player whose contract expires at the end of this month now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 09, 2018, 06:22:46 PM
Being linked with Bobby Reid and Romaine Sawyers got me thinking. Get these types of lads in a room with Darren Moore and I’m sure he’d be able to convince any one of them to sign for us. He’s that type of personality. Could be a big asset for transfers.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 21, 2018, 10:31:40 AM
my only concern, does he have pulling power
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adder on June 21, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
my only concern, does he have pulling power
I think he'll have as much as anyone else in the Championship...maybe excepting Frank Lampard but it doesn't sound as though Derby will have much money to throw at things anyway. I read somewhere that  Bobby Reid was texting DM during the run of results at the end of last season, both Jamaican decent, not sure if any other connection. It sounds like the clubs are 2m - 3m apart in the fee for Reid which sounds familiar, so as usual it's likely to be valuations holding things up more than us struggling to get players to move to us.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 21, 2018, 11:10:55 AM
I actually think he will have great pulling power. I think his attitude will win over a lot of potential signings when they meet him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on June 21, 2018, 11:13:50 AM
my only concern, does he have pulling power
The club will have the pulling power mate. Favourites to go up, higher end wages etc.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on June 21, 2018, 12:01:13 PM
The clubs status in this league will attract the player, big saves personality will convince them to sign.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on June 21, 2018, 12:14:38 PM
The clubs status in this league will attract the player, big saves personality will convince them to sign.
Is that Foster you're talking about?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on June 27, 2018, 10:24:08 PM
Darren has to pull off the "miracle of miracle! if we are to finish the coming season still in the Championship.
He has the most difficult job to do than any other manager that i can remember.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 27, 2018, 10:53:57 PM
It will end in tears. Darren is not experienced enough to deal with the present situation, and no-one with the necessary experience is going to come as Darrens assistant.Except maybe one,.........SGM, but under Jenkins no chance. The club appears to be in turmoil, and has no infrastructure. I think we can write of any hope of a speedy return to the Premier League.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on June 27, 2018, 11:20:10 PM
Darren has to pull off the "miracle of miracle! if we are to finish the coming season still in the Championship.
He has the most difficult job to do than any other manager that i can remember.

Given our budget is in top 3 in the league there is no reason why a competent management team should not be building a squad to challenge in the top 3. That's par. He has already made big mistakes releasing Yacob & G-mac. Two soldiers who would have been invaluable in a 46 game season and respected by the rest of the squad.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 28, 2018, 07:36:46 AM
Albion hero without doubt but i do worry its going to end in tears
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: caravanc58 on June 28, 2018, 07:46:04 AM
Albion hero without doubt but i do worry its going to end in tears
I don't care if it takes a few years of struggle to get the club stable again with players proud to wear our famous shirt. Moore will never be a failure in my eyes no matter how things pan out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 28, 2018, 07:59:17 AM
Looks like new we not me culture isn't spreading to the players anyway.

Get rid out anyone who doesnt want to be here and give Darren Moore our 100% backing to build a team full of players that he wants and embodies his attitude.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 28, 2018, 08:30:51 AM
Appoint Darren Moore, they said. He'll unite the club, they said  :-X
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: don1thedon on June 28, 2018, 08:38:16 AM
It doesn't look like Darren is getting much support from the players or those above him in what we all know is going to be a really tough job this season. Suspect it may be a rough ride & he's going to need all the support he can get from us, I just hope supporters stay strong & continue to believe in him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: DaveWBA on June 28, 2018, 08:39:23 AM
Appoint Darren Moore, they said. He'll unite the club, they said  :-X

Sold a few season tickets though hasn't it?

Cynically I wonder whether he's just being made another scapegoat. They knew there was to be little investment and they knew players want to leave. It's easy to pin the blame on a rookie manager.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 28, 2018, 09:41:23 AM
I think people assigning this problem to DM are mistaken.  He'll have been allocated a wage budget and told that he can get much cheaper peripheral players than Yacob, McAuley and Myhill.  (Jenkins would have perceived that Field, Fitzwater and Palmer would be their direct low cost replacements.) Jenkins won't have any idea of how the group works and it's mentality, and won't care until something like this kicks up.

My guess would be that the Foster and Dawson issue is a consequence of other clubs talking to Terraneo about their availability.  One of the articles I read about Terraneo's side-lining said that he was overpricing our players and was intransigent regarding the pricing.  This would have got back to the agents and players and caused their reaction.  They refuse to travel on Monday and Terraneo is sidelined on Monday/Tuesday.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on June 28, 2018, 09:44:34 AM
Sold a few season tickets though hasn't it?

Cynically I wonder whether he's just being made another scapegoat. They knew there was to be little investment and they knew players want to leave. It's easy to pin the blame on a rookie manager.

I don't think that's the case, but I do think there's been a change of plan, & I wonder if we're being readied for a sale.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: DaveWBA on June 28, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
I don't think that's the case, but I do think there's been a change of plan, & I wonder if we're being readied for a sale.

Depends how much of a loss Lai is willing to take. You would imagine he would want us back in the PL as soon as possible. We're only of any use to him in the PL, with the exposure and revenue that comes with it. As Championship also-rans he's looking at a massive loss.

The change of plan probably came shortly after the players in question realised their wages had halved.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 28, 2018, 01:32:58 PM
The change of plan probably came shortly after the players in question realised their wages had halved.
It should hardly have been a surprise to them - it would always have been in their contracts.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2018, 09:18:56 AM
Has anyone else noticed the similarities between Darren’s culture and philosophy (#wenotme) and that of Gareth Southgate with the England team?

IMO, it is the way forward when dealing with and motivating multi-millionaires
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on July 07, 2018, 09:42:18 AM
Has anyone else noticed the similarities between Darren’s culture and philosophy (#wenotme) and that of Gareth Southgate with the England team?

IMO, it is the way forward when dealing with and motivating multi-millionaires

The only difference being that Southgates seems to be working
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: sammyg on July 07, 2018, 09:43:11 AM
I would say with Darren’s 6 games in the prem it definitely was working
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on July 07, 2018, 10:00:16 AM
Has anyone else noticed the similarities between Darren’s culture and philosophy (#wenotme) and that of Gareth Southgate with the England team?

IMO, it is the way forward when dealing with and motivating multi-millionaires
By the end of this transfer window I doubt there will be many multi-millionaires for Big Dave to have to cope with. It looks increasingly like we'll have a team of 11 experienced players and a squad made up largely of academy graduates.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 07, 2018, 10:03:49 AM
The only difference being that Southgates seems to be working

Sure is working and don’t forget he has moved all the big egos out in the qualifying stages and gone with young blood!
This philosophy has been implemented for a while now and is a good benchmark for DM to move towards!
I personally feel if implemented correctly could do is wonders.
Only time will tell.
Boing Boing
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on July 07, 2018, 11:33:19 AM
Darrens job is getting harder by the day there's just so many positions that need filling with a big possibility of many more to fill before the window closes. Has it stands i'm worried he hasn't been thrown to the wolves.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on July 07, 2018, 12:47:16 PM
The only difference being that Southgates seems to be working
Difference being that Southgate has vastly more tactical knowledge and intelligence.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on July 07, 2018, 01:24:47 PM
Darrens job is getting harder by the day there's just so many positions that need filling with a big possibility of many more to fill before the window closes. Has it stands i'm worried he hasn't been thrown to the wolves.
I wonder whether having seen what the clique did to Pulis and Pardew he is quite happy to see them diluted/move on?  I wouldn't put Brunt in that category of troublemaker either, he is the closest thing to a "stalwart" we have had for years.  Any gossip from close to the club about whether instant promotion is required to avoid the sack, or is he going to be given a couple of seasons with  a mix including youngsters as long as we don't implode before Xmas?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on July 07, 2018, 06:55:55 PM
Difference being that Southgate has vastly more tactical knowledge and intelligence.

That’s really quite harsh. Don’t forget that Southgate managed Boro to relegation. He has more experience that Darren for sure, but you can’t just dismiss Darren without him having more time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 09, 2018, 10:24:52 AM
What's Southgate's transfer budget? 

I really hope Darren Moore is given a chance.  At the moment the squad (that is going to be) available makes a positive outcome unlikely.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on July 09, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
Difference being that Southgate has vastly more tactical knowledge and intelligence.
and you base that on what ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on July 11, 2018, 01:06:38 AM
I saw my mate again tonight who has given me some ITK information lately, here is a few bits he said tonight (Tuesday) as he is seeing the Albion fella on a weekly basis.

Foster left for playing and money reasons, and not training was nothing to do with personal stuff, he just didnt want to risk getting injured and wasnt happy with the club.

Apparently he wanted to move as soon as it was confirmed we were down, however he wanted somewhere where he could commute daily and also where he was number 1 which ruled out the likes of Man United and Liverpool who had expressed interest in going as a backup.

He felt he had a couple of years playing left in him top flight but would of stayed at Albion rather than go and be a number 2 somewhere else, however Albion said they were looking to sign a new keeper and he could go once they had one in, apparently that rubbed Foster up the wrong way (along with he didnt like his mates being released) as he wanted the reassurance that if no club came in for him to be the number 1, he could stay at the Albion, The club were having none of it and needed to plan forward (and rightly so in my book)

By all accounts he is also on a lot more money at Watford than he has ever been at Albion and a quite a few of the players were quite shocked he made those comments about wanting to stay, etc as they knew he was looking at moving on.

Also Big Dave has had a major cull of backroom staff over the last couple of weeks, a lot of analysts, sports science people, etc have gone, apparently although he felt they were good at their jobs, over the last few years we have taken on more and more in these roles and he felt that we were heavily over stocked and they wasnt needed and he could use the budget elsewhere.

Dawson had indicated he was happy to stay but has been got at and knows he can earn a lot more money elsewhere and has had a change of heart, i didnt get chance to ask about his portugal no show.

Also Big Dave spoke with Chadli before the world cup and got the impression Chadli wasnt looked to kick up a fuss and seemed happy to stay, apparently Big Dave regarded this as a major coup but with the world cup Chadli has had he now accepts he will move on.

Nothing to do with budget stuff but Big Dave really wants more of the youngsters involved in the first team and is putting a big emphasis on that rather than wanting to sign a whole new squad, it seems if he could keep most of the squad as it is right now, with a couple of additions to replace Dawson and McClean he would be more than happy.

However the problem lies with the likes of Chadli, Livermore, Phillips, Rodriguez, Rondon, Hegazi, if they go they will be replaced but if none of those go then we will probably only be signing a couple more players to replace Dawson and McClean.

Again as per previous not that much revolutionary info and it could all be rubbish but what been told so far seems to of happened so assume its pretty on the ball.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on July 11, 2018, 07:40:30 AM
All seems entirely plausible to me, especially the replacement when necessary piece, rather than overstocking and then people don’t move and we have a huge staff and wage bill.
A bit surprised about the back room staff but let’s hope Darren knows better than I do what’s needed (shocked if he doesn’t)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on July 11, 2018, 08:10:22 AM
All seems entirely plausible to me, especially the replacement when necessary piece, rather than overstocking and then people don’t move and we have a huge staff and wage bill.
A bit surprised about the back room staff but let’s hope Darren knows better than I do what’s needed (shocked if he doesn’t)

Agreed, but I can't help thinking the strategy was "advised" from above rather than original thinking from DM.
I think if I was a rookie HC with a track record of 6 games, I'd want all the help I could get.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 11, 2018, 08:39:52 AM
All seems entirely plausible to me, especially the replacement when necessary piece, rather than overstocking and then people don’t move and we have a huge staff and wage bill.
A bit surprised about the back room staff but let’s hope Darren knows better than I do what’s needed (shocked if he doesn’t)

Agreed  the squad we have is not a bad squad and is capable of getting us promoted again. If Moore had more time with his run of form at the end of the season that squad would of kept us up. Clear out the ego's get some youth in and we could have a great season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on July 11, 2018, 10:10:47 AM
Agreed, but I can't help thinking the strategy was "advised" from above rather than original thinking from DM.
I think if I was a rookie HC with a track record of 6 games, I'd want all the help I could get.
High earners leaving , others to go most likely, a few players in , young players to be used , cuts behind the scenes.....call me cynical but it points towards Jenkins rather than Moore.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on July 11, 2018, 10:22:58 AM
High earners leaving , others to go most likely, a few players in , young players to be used , cuts behind the scenes.....call me cynical but it points towards Jenkins rather than Moore.

Don't think you'r being cynical at all. I've been there, & when you're a rookie, you don't have the experience to fall back on, to put up a counter argument.

I'm not sure a no-risk financial strategy, is going to give us the quick return to the Premier League we were promised.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on July 11, 2018, 10:39:17 AM
Don't think you'r being cynical at all. I've been there, & when you're a rookie, you don't have the experience to fall back on, to put up a counter argument.

I'm not sure a no-risk financial strategy, is going to give us the quick return to the Premier League we were promised.
I just hope Moore gets what he wants , even more reason for a older assistant to come in with him.
I'll keep my powder dry just yet but 5m plus on a young keeper and cheap tickets won't be enough for me.
Overall I think Moore's job has got harder before a ball is kicked.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2018, 10:40:36 AM
Don't think you'r being cynical at all. I've been there, & when you're a rookie, you don't have the experience to fall back on, to put up a counter argument.

I'm not sure a no-risk financial strategy, is going to give us the quick return to the Premier League we were promised.


Would that be so bad? A return to a league we can't compete in where success in finishing forth from bottom.

That's not competition to me, that's dull and boring watching your team getting beat almost every week.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on July 11, 2018, 10:47:42 AM

Would that be so bad? A return to a league we can't compete in where success in finishing forth from bottom.

That's not competition to me, that's dull and boring watching your team getting beat almost every week.
Granted the top 6 can be painful to play and watch against but we got sloppy against the rest of the teams .
As much as being pasted by City and co was boring I enjoyed beating the Sunderland's , Watford's , West Ham's and co . We never had the cup run we should have but our time at the top table wasn't always bad.
Staying where we are now (if it doesn't get worse ) will only lead to the club going backwards in my view.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2018, 10:55:15 AM
Granted the top 6 can be painful to play and watch against but we got sloppy against the rest of the teams .
As much as being pasted by City and co was boring I enjoyed beating the Sunderland's , Watford's , West Ham's and co . We never had the cup run we should have but our time at the top table wasn't always bad.
Staying where we are now (if it doesn't get worse ) will only lead to the club going backwards in my view.


Fair enough. I guess it depends on your outlook. I'd love us to be what we once were (more than anything) but realistically we can't compete so I'd rather us try and play football and entertain and win more games than we lose. I'm sort of comfortable with the reality now, tired of swimming against a relentless tide of lack of drive, lack of foresight and lack of ambition.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on July 11, 2018, 11:43:05 AM

Would that be so bad? A return to a league we can't compete in where success in finishing forth from bottom.

That's not competition to me, that's dull and boring watching your team getting beat almost every week.

The point is, we were promised by Jenkins, (I'm assuming acting as a voice for GL) that we would "leave no stone unturned" in a bid to get an immediate return to the Premier League.
Personally, I'm not seeing that.

Also personally, I will miss not seeing Premier League football next season, & as others have said, until last season's debacle, we were competing quite well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on July 11, 2018, 12:27:38 PM
Jenkins was brought back for one thing and that was to get finance's of club in order, I would be very surprised if any players with release clauses or are valuable assets will be at club for start of season. Rondon, Rodriguez, Chadli, Dawson, Hegazi Mcclean and Gibbs will in my opinion not play a competitive game again for the Albion, freebies, loans and minimum outlay transfers with low wages will be the norm
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on July 11, 2018, 03:09:31 PM
Jenkins was brought back for one thing and that was to get finance's of club in order, I would be very surprised if any players with release clauses or are valuable assets will be at club for start of season. Rondon, Rodriguez, Chadli, Dawson, Hegazi Mcclean and Gibbs will in my opinion not play a competitive game again for the Albion, freebies, loans and minimum outlay transfers with low wages will be the norm

Can't disagree (although the Johnstone signing was more encouraging) and you can hardly blame Darren Moore for that. I think the reality for most of us is realizing the transfer pool we are now fishing from isn't that great and it will be taking a risk on unproven players with potential or good championship players. Quality premier league players are not going to move to the championship.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on July 11, 2018, 03:54:28 PM
Can't disagree (although the Johnstone signing was more encouraging) and you can hardly blame Darren Moore for that. I think the reality for most of us is realizing the transfer pool we are now fishing from isn't that great and it will be taking a risk on unproven players with potential or good championship players. Quality premier league players are not going to move to the championship.
not blaming Darren at all but those who are involved in player recruitment, might as well have kept the three players we left go if we are going to replace with similar aged journeymen. And with regards to identifying new recruits do they have to have played for youth team?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on July 11, 2018, 06:46:05 PM
west-brom-take-experienced-trio-on-training-camp-as-moore-drops-hint

https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/premier-league/west-bromwich-albion/west-brom-take-experienced-trio-on-training-camp-as-moore-drops-hint/

not a fan of this trio at all.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 11, 2018, 07:00:46 PM
west-brom-take-experienced-trio-on-training-camp-as-moore-drops-hint

https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/premier-league/west-bromwich-albion/west-brom-take-experienced-trio-on-training-camp-as-moore-drops-hint/

not a fan of this trio at all.

I hope DM isn’t another “work ard and do a job” type coach at the expense of genuine ability. We’ve had enough of those type of coaches.

He said he had an extensive list of contacts so not sure where it is.

We need a new young squad and he was supposed to be spearheading a major transition. Hope for his sake we hit the ground running. He needs to be ready to take the flack if we don’t.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2018, 07:19:18 PM
west-brom-take-experienced-trio-on-training-camp-as-moore-drops-hint

https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/premier-league/west-bromwich-albion/west-brom-take-experienced-trio-on-training-camp-as-moore-drops-hint/

not a fan of this trio at all.

'Despite their advancing years'

Says it all really. Cheap and cheerful options who no-one else wants.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: NathWBA on July 11, 2018, 08:21:06 PM
How many times doesn’t it need to be said they are only training with us to help them gain fitness to find another club, we aren’t interested in them.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on July 11, 2018, 08:29:38 PM
How many times doesn’t it need to be said they are only training with us to help them gain fitness to find another club, we aren’t interested in them.
Read Matt Wilsons latest piece mate , quote from Moore on the players . Its more than just training to get fit.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: NathWBA on July 11, 2018, 09:09:28 PM
Read Matt Wilsons latest piece mate , quote from Moore on the players . Its more than just training to get fit.
id be amazed if any of them sign for us and it’s not just Moore helping them out and trying to ignite some interest in them.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 11, 2018, 10:00:46 PM
not blaming Darren at all but those who are involved in player recruitment, might as well have kept the three players we left go if we are going to replace with similar aged journeymen.
Who's left at the club who is involved with identifying targets?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 11, 2018, 10:05:37 PM
Who's left at the club who is involved with identifying targets?
Inspector Clouseau with a magnifying glurss?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on July 11, 2018, 10:47:15 PM
Inspector Clouseau with a magnifying glurss?

Darren Moore spent his career playing in the second division and below so he’s up to speed on championship journeymen. I don’t trust him - already incompetent enough to release Yacob for god sake who will cost millions to replace. Whole club is as professional as an episode of dream team.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 11, 2018, 10:50:22 PM

Darren Moore spent his career playing in the second division and below so he’s up to speed on championship journeymen. I don’t trust him - already incompetent enough to release Yacob for god sake who will cost millions to replace. Whole club is as professional as an episode of dream team.
I agree on this, is/was so obviously too good to let go.
Could have used him as the centre pin to build a team around.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mo on July 11, 2018, 10:51:54 PM
id be amazed if any of them sign for us and it’s not just Moore helping them out and trying to ignite some interest in them.

It’s all very noble of us but why not send them to any of our local rivals like walsall or Coventry if they want to get fit.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: NathWBA on July 11, 2018, 10:54:50 PM
It’s all very noble of us but why not send them to any of our local rivals like walsall or Coventry if they want to get fit.
I’d imagine because we have better facilities and it’s costing us nothing to have them adding numbers to the training camps
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: caravanc58 on July 11, 2018, 11:05:12 PM
I’d imagine because we have better facilities and it’s costing us nothing to have them adding numbers to the training camps
doesn't sound right, a team that's just dropped out the premiership having to rely on non contracted players to make the numbers up for training, we'll be using jumpers as goalposts next.😕
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: telford baggie on July 12, 2018, 08:01:36 AM
when relegated there will always be cut backs, just maybe Darren Moore wants to go down the route of playing kids and its his call, it will be his call to take old men on tour to scotland, all new signings will be his call..easy to blame jenkins as big dave is a legend but when the kids arent good enough and we sign players like roofe and sawyers are probably struggling then it will all be down to Darren Moore. It will be the biggest mistake in our history but fans will back him into league1..enjoy
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: barnestormer on July 12, 2018, 10:29:18 AM
when relegated there will always be cut backs, just maybe Darren Moore wants to go down the route of playing kids and its his call, it will be his call to take old men on tour to scotland, all new signings will be his call..easy to blame jenkins as big dave is a legend but when the kids arent good enough and we sign players like roofe and sawyers are probably struggling then it will all be down to Darren Moore. It will be the biggest mistake in our history but fans will back him into league1..enjoy
Not a million miles from the truth and why I believe Darren Moore will be relieved of the responsibility well before bonfire night
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: DaveWBA on July 12, 2018, 11:25:35 AM
when relegated there will always be cut backs, just maybe Darren Moore wants to go down the route of playing kids and its his call, it will be his call to take old men on tour to scotland, all new signings will be his call..easy to blame jenkins as big dave is a legend but when the kids arent good enough and we sign players like roofe and sawyers are probably struggling then it will all be down to Darren Moore. It will be the biggest mistake in our history but fans will back him into league1..enjoy

One quote about taking players on a training camp and all of a sudden we're relegation candidates? Superb.

The club obviously did take these players on to help them with their fitness, if they've shown the fit in well to the group and potentially have something to add Darren Moore would be foolish to come out in the press and say otherwise, there's no harm in looking at the whilst they're training with us.

How about this quote...

Quote
“We have offers in for players at the moment,” he said. “Now it’s just trying to agree fees with the clubs we are trying to get them from from and obviously personal terms.

“Hopefully we can get them over the line and see one or two new faces coming to the club.”
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on July 12, 2018, 12:52:57 PM
Don't really understand the anti Darren Moore sentiments thus far, nor the fears regarding relegation.

Pre season........
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 17GD on July 12, 2018, 02:28:53 PM
Not sure DM has had complete control over Yacob and McAuley leaving. They themselves could have decided not to sign another contract.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: leeiswba on July 12, 2018, 02:34:14 PM
Don't really understand the anti Darren Moore sentiments thus far, nor the fears regarding relegation.

Pre season........

To be fair every season we were in the premierleague fans in June/July were tipping us to go down. Last season was the only one where I can remember people being positive about the squad we had an look what happened  ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on July 12, 2018, 03:09:01 PM
Not sure DM has had complete control over Yacob and McAuley leaving. They themselves could have decided not to sign another contract.

McAuley actually said in an interview that he didn't know what was happening as no one had contacted him to discuss his contract situation.
I got the impression that no contract had been offered
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on July 12, 2018, 07:29:58 PM
I’m pretty excited for next season. It’s time we got back to producing great teams from the youth system.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on July 12, 2018, 09:09:09 PM
It's also good to see the players actually training rather than taking taxis or out clubbing!


Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 12, 2018, 09:54:13 PM
How about this quote...

"We have offers in for players at the moment,” he said. “Now it’s just trying to agree fees with the clubs we are trying to get them from from and obviously personal terms. Hopefully we can get them over the line and see one or two new faces coming to the club."
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the quote, but I think we've had 7 players leave and 1 has come in so far, so what does Darren mean by "see one or two new faces coming to the club"? Is that until more players go or is it the sum total of what we hope to sign? Either way it suggests that we're going to be relying a lot on unproven youngsters whom apart from Leko, have never played at this level.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: DaveWBA on July 13, 2018, 08:40:02 AM
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about the quote, but I think we've had 7 players leave and 1 has come in so far, so what does Darren mean by "see one or two new faces coming to the club"? Is that until more players go or is it the sum total of what we hope to sign? Either way it suggests that we're going to be relying a lot on unproven youngsters whom apart from Leko, have never played at this level.

That we are in the market for players. If posters are able to read one quote and declare us relegation candidates then I thought I'd post that one for a bit of balance.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Nathan on July 13, 2018, 12:25:34 PM
I’m pretty excited for next season. It’s time we got back to producing great teams from the youth system.

Exactly. The kids are only going to prove themselves if they get the chance. If we have a team full of home grown players then our support will be 100% behind them, the atmosphere will be the best it's been for years and I've got a gut feeling that the kids will rise to the occasion. If they know the supporters are totally behind them, which they will be, the youngsters will be able to play without any fear and I think will surpass the levels of ability that they might have previously shown on loan at lower level clubs. We will have an identity back which is all too rare these days and I for one will be delighted with that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on July 13, 2018, 12:32:25 PM
Exactly. The kids are only going to prove themselves if they get the chance. If we have a team full of home grown players then our support will be 100% behind them, the atmosphere will be the best it's been for years and I've got a gut feeling that the kids will rise to the occasion. If they know the supporters are totally behind them, which they will be, the youngsters will be able to play without any fear and I think will surpass the levels of ability that they might have previously shown on loan at lower level clubs. We will have an identity back which is all too rare these days and I for one will be delighted with that.


Agreed. I'd rather see a bunch of kids wanting to prove themselves than energyless,legless has been's or never were's like Barry and Livermore. If either of them start ahead of Sam Field at the start of the season I'm going to be on Big Dave's case right from the start.

I love Big Dave but we have to move forward, this is a new era and he has to embrace it. If he doesn't the love fest he currently enjoys won't last very long.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 13, 2018, 03:31:20 PM
Don't really understand the anti Darren Moore sentiments thus far, nor the fears regarding relegation.

Pre season........

Me either. He obviously has what it takes getting a team of perennial losers to look like a quality Prem team in the last 6 matches. I understand people getting frustrated with the lack of movement in the transfer market but if Darren Moore is having a say on transfers, I like what he is doing (Yacob aside but I have a feeling Yacob wanted to go back to Argentina as he has mentioned it several times over the years). Let's just judge him on performances and more importantly results. He's done everything 100% right in my opinion so far.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on July 13, 2018, 04:36:02 PM
Personally feeling relatively optimistic. I actually like the type of players we are being connected with and really am looking forward to seeing youth being part of the team make up.

Being prehistoric I hark back to the days when young players coming into the team was the norm. Lovett, Hartford, Cantello, Robertson, Wilson, Hughes (Lyndon), Merrick, Nisbet and Bennett and many more. Those lads were part of the club, in some cases from the area, it felt so much more like our club back then.

Maybe Darren can recreate just a little of that feeling and belonging. Big name, big money foreigners aren’t always the answer, and to me Albion have lost their way and their identity. I’m looking for that to return.

I like the way he’s going about his job. He’s very impressive and for me absolutely the right bloke for the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on July 28, 2018, 03:33:07 PM
So far I'm quite impressed with our transfer business this summer. Barnes, Townsend and Bartley all seem to be quite canny signings. It's clear that someone at the club (god knows who) has being paying attention to the talent in the championship and below. If we can get Dwight Gayle or another goalscorer and keep the core together then we have a real chance of starting the season strongly. I was sceptical when Big Dave was given the job but I'm warming to him rapidly. The club have got more right than wrong so far this summer, including sensible ticket prices for once.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBArgo on July 28, 2018, 03:52:58 PM
So far I'm quite impressed with our transfer business this summer. Barnes, Townsend and Bartley all seem to be quite canny signings. It's clear that someone at the club (god knows who) has being paying attention to the talent in the championship and below. If we can get Dwight Gayle or another goalscorer and keep the core together then we have a real chance of starting the season strongly. I was sceptical when Big Dave was given the job but I'm warming to him rapidly. The club have got more right than wrong so far this summer, including sensible ticket prices for once.
I agree regarding our signings. Some of our best Premier League deals were signing good, Championship players such as McAuley and Jones - even Keith Andrews on a free was decent for the 2nd half of the season.

There's nothing to snigger about lower-league signings, generally they're much cheaper and can be real bargains compared to Premier League prices.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 28, 2018, 03:58:11 PM
I agree regarding our signings. Some of our best Premier League deals were signing good, Championship players such as McAuley and Jones - even Keith Andrews on a free was decent for the 2nd half of the season.

There's nothing to snigger about lower-league signings, generally they're much cheaper and can be real bargains compared to Premier League prices.
...and we’re a step up in their careers.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 28, 2018, 05:23:51 PM
I have reserved judgement till now, with our recent transfer activity, the blend of youth and experience, I think we can look with some optimism to the coming season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on July 28, 2018, 06:00:19 PM
Seems to be signing players with better passing than in previous seasons , suspect there will be mixed styles at times especially given the long season.
I already feel a bit for Moore given most of us would have expected other big earners to have left with Evans and decent money being spent to replace them . To me his hands do seem a bit tied at the minute , can only hope these next few weeks don't hit us too hard and the players that are left settle in a team ethic.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: adamw1109 on July 28, 2018, 11:02:49 PM
Last 5 games, scored 15 conceded 6, W4 D1 ..... whens big daves statue getting put up at the hawthorns?!

Quite refreshing to see, even against lower league teams in the most recent past under previous managers we have struggled and looked like we are the lower league team majority of the time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on July 28, 2018, 11:29:59 PM
Seems to be signing players with better passing than in previous seasons , suspect there will be mixed styles at times especially given the long season.
I already feel a bit for Moore given most of us would have expected other big earners to have left with Evans and decent money being spent to replace them . To me his hands do seem a bit tied at the minute , can only hope these next few weeks don't hit us too hard and the players that are left settle in a team ethic.
.    Why do we always think "His Hands are tied" What evidence have we for this ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on July 29, 2018, 12:57:56 AM
Didn’t want him to get the job as it would potentially tarnish his legendary status as a true Baggie  8)

Can’t fault what he has done though - seems to have galvanised a talented but under performing squad - and restored pride in a difficult situation...

The way he has sidelined/moved on the disgruntled and brought in/given our youth the opportunity is testament that he is his own man - mind you, I wouldn’t argue with him... :-X

#WeNotMe
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BigFrank20 on July 29, 2018, 06:49:58 AM
.    Why do we always think "His Hands are tied" What evidence have we for this ?
I'm sort of with you on this mate, surely the system is either he, Big Dave, gives the club a list of players he'd like and/or the club hand him a list of those they think they could get or their agents have expressed an interest. Then off go the right people in the in the club to see what they can do in negotiations with interested parties, within the wage and cost ranges the club money men have decided we can afford and the sort of contract we are prepared to offer (length, extension terms, buy out clauses etc) It is far too complex a system for one man, in this case a head coach, to be expected to be in sole charge of such complexity so not sure how his hands could be tied? He is a single cog in a big machine where all the cogs need to mesh together smoothly and which can be interrupted in all sorts of ways for all sorts of reasons. Having watched yesterday's excellent showing I'm more than happy for him to be concentrating on form and fitness and styles of play rather than hovering round a phone and computer screen
COYB COBD 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on July 29, 2018, 09:02:57 AM
On the evidence of yesterday I'm feeling happy about the way Big Dave set the team up and wants us to play. It's far different to what we saw last season. If we pass the ball around and look as sharp and incisive as we did in the first half I'll be very happy with that.

I have been worried that Big Dave would want us to set up with men behind the ball as we did against Liverpool and Spurs last season but there was no sign of that. I know the standard of opposition was very different but nevertheless the intent and mentality were spot on from the start.

My biggest concern is defensively. We conceded two goals, one from bad organisation from a set piece, the other when that little guy completely sold Crainie. Added to that Hegazi failed to read a long ball and their centre forward missed a one on one first half.

Having more of the ball means we don't have as much defensive insurance as we would've had previously so defenders are going to have to defend better one on one. I'm not convinced by Crainie. I think if Nyom played yesterday we wouldn't have conceded that first goal.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dexy on July 29, 2018, 09:09:34 AM
.    Why do we always think "His Hands are tied" What evidence have we for this ?
The fact the only decent size fee is for Johnstone , I think its clear there is no excess cash flow to bring players in before letting the big hitters go . I honestly think the club expected more than just Evans to have gone by now hence the season starts next week and we still don't really know who stays and who would still be available come in .
Its really not ideal for Moore , thats my point as in having hands tied.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on July 29, 2018, 09:19:21 AM
For me a lot depends on what happens between now and the closure of the window.  At the moment we are loosing less players than I thought we might, and we have made some judicial signings in replacement which I am quite pleased with.  With Dawson, Phillips and potentially Rondon in our squad we will be a very strong Championship team indeed.  Also one which will be well organised, and where the Manager will know the team well and be able to play to its strengths.  Of the leavers so far , the only one I have regretted is Foster- and even then we seem to have sourced a good replacement.  I would still like us to sell (note not loan) Chadli which would allow us to bring in potentially one further new recruit, but at the start of the season I am quite excited.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on July 29, 2018, 09:52:28 AM
The fact the only decent size fee is for Johnstone , I think its clear there is no excess cash flow to bring players in before letting the big hitters go . I honestly think the club expected more than just Evans to have gone by now hence the season starts next week and we still don't really know who stays and who would still be available come in .
Its really not ideal for Moore , thats my point as in having hands tied.

I'm not sure that it's transfer fees that's the problem as such. Even with flex down, we still have some big earners on the books, so I'd imagine they're juggling the wage budget around to ensure we comply with FFP.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on July 29, 2018, 10:20:37 AM
Hopefully Big Dave has the intent to sign that Belgium league Striker were interested in because if Rondon and J-Rod leave Hal Robson Kanuwill be up front I'm sorry Hal Robson Who
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on July 29, 2018, 10:44:38 AM
I dont know if Big Dave has had his hands tied, we went down, therefore that means cutbacks have to be made (as we seem to try and stick to some of FFP regulation)

We took a massive hit in income when we were relegated, yes the players are on flexdown contracts but those £70k - £80k still become £35k - £40k contracts in the championship which is still huge money for that level.

Until those players go we still have big overheads, yet our income is less than it was, the money we got for Foster and Evans we brought Johnstone with, we also spend £4m on Bartley and £700k (approx) on Townsend and supposedly buying this Luton bloke for £300k so thats £5m spend too.

Whilst we still have high value players on big money i can quite understand the club not going and splashing loads of money, if / when these players start to move, thats when i imagine Big Dave will start to spend decent fees, again just say we got £16m for Rondon, it doesnt mean we have to go and spend £16m on another striker, i would imagine it may be more the £10 - £12m maximum with the excess £4m being used towards the income reduction.

Worth noting we signed Chadli who we spent £13m on and Burke £15m on, thats nearly £30m quid and last season neither of them contributed a thing towards the team, whatever the reasons - Injured, manager didnt rate them, young with potential, etc for a club like Albion to have £30m worth of talent not doing anything (and thats just those two, there are others) is just not feasible.

Its crap but we got relegated, there are consequences, Big Dave will of known all about that before he took the job, from what i was told he wanted to keep as many of last seasons squad so whilst they are here he will be happy, and from the sales we have made and the fact we have brought others would suggest so far he is being backed.

If we start selling players and not replacing them then that will be a concern but at the moment having the likes of Dawson, Rondon, JRod we probably have better players in our squad than we would be signing to replace them anyway so not point just buying for the sake of it!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on July 29, 2018, 11:32:32 PM
Anyone know what is the average wages for chump players and are our lot on more?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on July 30, 2018, 12:34:14 AM
Anyone know what is the average wages for chump players and are our lot on more?

For the coming season our wage bill will about 50% greater than the average Championship team and anything up to four times that of a team like Rotherham. The bottom line is our top wage is about £30k a week whereas for the rest of the division it will be something in the region of £20k a week. The exceptions to that will be the clubs with parachute payments. Stoke Swansea Hull Norwich Middlesbrough and Villa.

Of those Hull have trimmed their wage bill back dramatically already Norwich and Villa are in the last year of parachute payments so will be under pressure to reduce their wage bills and have done this summer.

Darren will have one of the bigger payrolls in the division and with it the attendant expectations.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie38 on July 30, 2018, 04:55:22 AM
How we do this season under big dave remains to be seen but I'm very happy with the window under him so far. For a good two years or so I've been saying to friends and family we need to clear some of the dead wood and get in younger players who want to play for the Albion. All these players we have signed so far this season arrive with high praise from the clubs fans that they used to play in front of. Never thought I'd get excited over signing a scunthorpe LB and possibly a Luton right back but look over our past signings stretching back 30 plus years. Where you sign them from means absolutely nothing. Roll on next week.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 30, 2018, 07:41:56 PM
How we do this season under big dave remains to be seen but I'm very happy with the window under him so far. For a good two years or so I've been saying to friends and family we need to clear some of the dead wood and get in younger players who want to play for the Albion. All these players we have signed so far this season arrive with high praise from the clubs fans that they used to play in front of. Never thought I'd get excited over signing a scunthorpe LB and possibly a Luton right back but look over our past signings stretching back 30 plus years. Where you sign them from means absolutely nothing. Roll on next week.

Exactly, I mean, we could sign someone from somewhere like, Ooh I dunno.... Leyton Orient?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 30, 2018, 08:35:39 PM
Exactly, I mean, we could sign someone from somewhere like, Ooh I dunno.... Leyton Orient?

We could do worse...
How about non-league Hayes in Essex?
We did get a player from them once.
Just remind me of his name, I just can't think....C.R. were his initials.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on July 30, 2018, 08:56:07 PM
How we do this season under big dave remains to be seen but I'm very happy with the window under him so far. For a good two years or so I've been saying to friends and family we need to clear some of the dead wood and get in younger players who want to play for the Albion. All these players we have signed so far this season arrive with high praise from the clubs fans that they used to play in front of. Never thought I'd get excited over signing a scunthorpe LB and possibly a Luton right back but look over our past signings stretching back 30 plus years. Where you sign them from means absolutely nothing. Roll on next week.

Exactly how I feel.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on July 30, 2018, 09:18:23 PM
We could do worse...
How about non-league Hayes in Essex?
We did get a player from them once.
Just remind me of his name, I just can't think....C.R. were his initials.
Different world back then. We were excited just by the signing of Cyrille without knowing a bloody thing about him.

Nowadays even football fans feel entitled.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 30, 2018, 09:19:07 PM
We could do worse...
How about non-league Hayes in Essex?
We did get a player from them once.
Just remind me of his name, I just can't think....C.R. were his initials.

He was ok. ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on July 30, 2018, 09:20:51 PM
Different world back then. We were excited just by the signing of Cyrille without knowing a bloody thing about him.

Nowadays even football fans feel entitled.

Maybe we need to get the players back in the pub with us at the end of the match. That'd sort it....

 :D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on July 30, 2018, 10:18:04 PM
Darren is rabbit in the headlights mk 2, being shafted from behind by management who went for the no risk option.
No assistant manager, no strikers, defenders leaving.
 I fear the worst.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2018, 12:18:23 PM
i think that the fact that Graeme whatsisname is coming shows that Darren has a strong position, the club could quite easily have gone over his head during the long interim period, but no Darren got the man he wanted
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on July 31, 2018, 12:31:59 PM
i think that the fact that Graeme whatsisname is coming shows that Darren has a strong position, the club could quite easily have gone over his head during the long interim period, but no Darren got the man he wanted

Is/has he?

Genuinely not being facetious but I'd no idea it had been officially announced.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2018, 12:33:05 PM
Is/has he?

Genuinely not being facetious but I'd no idea it had been officially announced.

Apparently starts working Thursdaytag and will be on talksport later today ! Just re-read your qu, no not official !
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on July 31, 2018, 12:36:07 PM
Apparently starts working Thursdaytag and will be on talksport later today !

Nice one and cheers, just popped over to the 'other' thread and read this too.

I'm a bit behind breaking events at the mo' as I've been trudging through loads of other peoples used online pre season nappies this morning  ;D .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: letmereadposts on August 01, 2018, 05:22:35 PM
Darren Moore - "I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics."

I said it before he was appointed at how quickly Darren had given some identify, I don't think we should underestimate what an achievement that has been.

Irrespective of how this season transpires, I'm feeling excited and (on a basic level) I'm pleased that our club is less of a joke on and off the pitch thanks to Big Dave

Darren Moore = (West Bromwich) Albion Legend.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Cantello on August 01, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
Darren is rabbit in the headlights mk 2, being shafted from behind by management who went for the no risk option.
No assistant manager, no strikers, defenders leaving.
 I fear the worst.

My view is opposite.  Funny world.  Loving the vibes coming out of the club.  It feels like we’ve got our club back.  Keep the faith!  I have a feeling Big Dave is going to do something special....
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 01, 2018, 05:50:42 PM
Darren Moore - "I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics."
This more or less confirms what many suspected that there was something very 'off' going on last season and my guess would be this references both playing and management level staff
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wbastrollers on August 01, 2018, 06:03:00 PM
Darren is rabbit in the headlights mk 2, being shafted from behind by management who went for the no risk option.
No assistant manager, no strikers, defenders leaving.
 I fear the worst.

The board went for the no option, option. DM made the job his by his results and his approach to the role. As for the no risk option - this is indeed a very risky appointment, one I suspect the board did not want to make, however, they would have looked even more foolish then they already are if they appointed someone else who failed
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 01, 2018, 06:08:43 PM
Darren Moore got the job on his results at the end of the seaso. And forced the clubs hands. However since then he has bought in some younger hungry players, FINALLY a very astute assistant and he wants to play attractive football. His we not me mantra is really tapping into our history and getting people excited.

As you said after his results appointing somebody else who came in and hashed I think up people would be asking well what about Darren Moore. So it was a lose lose in that sense. But it could also be argued to be win win as whilst Moore is popular Andrew he seems to be building something nicely many don't expect him to do much. So if he fails it's a never mind whilst if he achieves we will be delighted.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 02, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
What a joy it is to have someone who loves the club at the helm, knowing that it means something to him. It's not just a stepping stone to a bigger job or another stop on the old boys roundabout, it's his club, his love of the fans and his humble approach driving everything.

I was initially worried about his appointment for fear regarding his lack of experience, but now with the perfect right-hand man, I think we've made the right decision. I hope our fans give Big Dave at least a season to get going and treat him as a long term appointment, he's got a lot to learn and not a lot of time to learn it, but fingers crossed that Big Dave is our Eddie Howe/Shaun Dyche and i'm willing to give him whatever amount of time he desires to achieve that. As someone's said previously; Young players, humble attitude, caring for the fans - it feels like OUR club again. Let's back him to the end.

Imagine the feeling of having a real Albion man leading us back to the Premier League.

Big Dave's barmy army!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 02, 2018, 12:34:28 AM
What a joy it is to have someone who loves the club at the helm, knowing that it means something to him. It's not just a stepping stone to a bigger job or another stop on the old boys roundabout, it's his club and his love of the fans and his humble driving it.

I was initially worried about his appointment in fear of his lack of experience but now with the perfect right-hand man, I think we've made the right decision in the end. I hope our fans give Big Dave at least a season to get going, he's got a lot to learn and not a lot of time to learn it in, but fingers crossed that Big Dave is our Eddie Howe/Shaun Dyche. I for one will back him to the end. As someone's said previously; Young players, humble attitude, caring for the fans - it feels like OUR club again

Imagine the feeling of having an Albion man leading us back to the Premier League.

Big Dave's barmy army!!


I agree and I was against his appointment initially. What I have seen of the transfer activity and what I saw against Coventry has got me fully onside.

There is the odd consenting voice (there always will be) but generally there is a real feel good factor at the club now and a real positivity hence the likely sell out for Saturdays curtain raiser.

Proper home kit, yellow and green back. Things looking great at the moment. Just get Mozza signed up for Saturday and nothing to moan at.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on August 02, 2018, 01:48:35 AM
Darren's comments about changing the culture around the club is the single most interesting thing he has said since he took over.

To highlight

 "respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with"

implies that wasn't the case under previous regimes.

That is a fine starting point and while it might preclude signing some of the more egotistical talents in the game it isn't of itself a rounded philosophy. Plainly there is more to it than that and actions speak louder than words so it will be fascinating to witness where Darren is heading with this.

I hope that he is given time and support by the everyone at the club and the fan base to follow through with the work that he has begun. We must not lose our collective nerve when the inevitable set backs happen.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Brummie Road on August 02, 2018, 08:03:52 AM
There's no question that there's been a major transformation around the club since Darren Moore took control of the first team and he deserves massive credit.

While how non Albion fans perceive the club clearly isn't the be all and end all, there's no question that over the last few seasons any empathy from other supporters or the media has totally disappeared and hard to imagine any neutrals were disappointed to see us depart the Premiership, and there was that perception we were just making up the numbers, playing safety first football and really bringing nothing to the party (so to speak).

So wonderful to now have a genuinely respected figurehead at the helm and an opportunity to reinvent ourselves in many respects, on and off the pitch, regardless of our ultimate finishing place this season.

From a personal perspective, a united front off the pitch would, for me, be as much as a bonus as any success we may have on it.

As we all know, the Championship can be a real slog and inevitably we'll end up taking a few hits along the way, and with quite an upheaval in the squad we may not get off to the start we are all hoping for, but I just hope Darren Moore is given plenty of time to make his mark.

We all want the Albion to be successful as possible but I'm more than happy if Darren Moore is given as long as it takes, rather than going down the route of the short term fixes and managerial and coaching merry go round we've witnessed at the Albion over recent times, and at so many other clubs.

COYB!!  8)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 03, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
When asked at today's press conference if he's confident of keeping our best players, Darren said: "I can only speak for now. I’m happy they’re here, I’d like them to stay and continue the way they’re going. I always plan and prepare because they’re in the building and they’re available for selection for tomorrow. When next week comes, we’ll approach it when it comes. At this moment I’m delighted to have them in the building".

Additionally, when asked specifically about Dawson and Rondon, he said: "They’re still at West Brom. The speculation suggests we’ve got decisions to make".

Source: Birmingham Mail (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/darren-moore-transcript-west-brom-14986091)

It does sound like he's anticipating a departure or two so, if that is the case, let's hope he's got replacements lined up who can be brought in before the window closes. It would be bad for prized assets to leave and be replaced by loan signings.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 03, 2018, 04:34:41 PM
I think at this stage he simply doesn't know. There will be all sorts of stuff going on behind the scenes with clubs / agents etc and there are always rumours abound.

Latest two I've heard are Gibbs agreeing terms with Torino and Burnley cooling their interest in Rodriguez. No idea if there's any substance behind either. Darren will know more than me obviously but I'm guessing even he is waiting and seeing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: colinmax on August 04, 2018, 10:21:44 PM
It is sad but I am glad we lost because it might be to or benefit.If we had fluked a 3 nil win it would have papered over the cracks till the transfer window has closed.
Three questions need answering.

1 why no striker on the subs bench?
2 why play Brunt and Livermore who basically provide no pace,little creativity and little goal threat?
3 very few players are match fit at this stage of the season why did we only make one substitution despite a very hot,tiring remperature and take 75 minutes before even doing this.
This is not just a football matter but a common sense requirement.
We desperately need a pacy,creative goal scoring midfielder and a clinical striker..


Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on August 04, 2018, 10:52:01 PM
Absolute tripe from Moore.  He's had all summer to formulate a plan.  If he doesn't learn on the job then he's not going to be here come Autumn.  There really can be no excuses.  Today a large proportion of the fans saw what he couldn't.  We have to be ruthless otherwise the promotion dream is over.  And if that means certain players left out so be it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 17GD on August 04, 2018, 10:55:58 PM
It is sad but I am glad we lost because it might be to or benefit.If we had fluked a 3 nil win it would have papered over the cracks till the transfer window has closed.
Three questions need answering.

1 why no striker on the subs bench?
2 why play Brunt and Livermore who basically provide no pace,little creativity and little goal threat?
3 very few players are match fit at this stage of the season why did we only make one substitution despite a very hot,tiring remperature and take 75 minutes before even doing this.
This is not just a football matter but a common sense requirement.
We desperately need a pacy,creative goal scoring midfielder and a clinical striker..


I agree, we need more pace and creativity. But regarding your points:

1) We don't have any other strikers. Rondon is all but off. (As is Dawson apparently.) We literally have Kanu and Rodriguez for strikers.

2) Similar to point 1, we lack choice. However, I would argue that Brunt has, in the past, been a very valuable player with regards set pieces, and I'm sure he will be this season.

3) Totally agree. The subs should all have come around the 65-70 minute mark. For me, Burke should have replaced Kanu, Morrison should have replaced Livermore and Tosin should have replaced Nyom. Barnes looked fit and up for it. He also didn't look too happy at being taken off.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 04, 2018, 11:16:01 PM
We need to get some of our bigger assets of the books. If we could sell Livermore it would give us some money and we wouldn't have to suffer him all season. Or if Rondon goes for cash or chadli etc.

All I know is the centre midfield pairing won't work in a 442 we may do ok in 4231. If Rondon is goimg why play both recognised (using term liberally for HRK) strikers Leaving us no option on the bench?

In a game that called for freshening the midfield why not bring on Morrison?

We played 4-2-3-1 all pre season and it seemed to work yet we revert to 442 and it failed spectacularly.

All these points fall to the manager. Unfortunately there are still quiet a few players who don't want to be here and we could do with shipping them out but it's not ad easy as that
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mo on August 04, 2018, 11:40:07 PM
The long and short of it is there were 3 players stinking the place out on the pitch today and others off it who should be bombed out of the club ASAP . There is a lazy losing  mentality throughout the playing staff and the board of directors have a duty to back the coach who they appointed to  step forward this next week and sort it .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on August 04, 2018, 11:44:12 PM
The long and short of it is there were 3 players stinking the place out on the pitch today and others off it who should be bombed out of the club ASAP . There is a lazy losing  mentality throughout the playing staff and the board of directors have a duty to back the coach who they appointed to  step forward this next week and sort it .
Which three?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggyman68 on August 05, 2018, 12:04:01 AM
Nice man in the wrong job!
Losing against one of the poorest sides in the division points to a long hard season ahead.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: AlbionBest on August 05, 2018, 12:38:53 AM
Love the bloke but sounded like a rabbit caught in the headlights in his post match interview. Said that the missing big three were still WBA but never said why they weren't playing whilst the bench looked pathetic ?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 05, 2018, 01:45:08 AM
If we wanted a quick easy promotion to the premier league, we shouldn't have gambled on a rookie manager. Now BDs here I'm going to back him all the way through thick and thin, and I hope our fans will do too. It was a silly decision to gamble in my opinion but it's the decision we've made, so we've got to stick with it and give him the time he needs to shape this club in his name. Hes unlikely to be quick fix (though not impossible), but Big Dave loves the club, he feels our pain, he feels our joy, give him time and he'll turn it around. Keep the faith.

Big Dave's barmy army.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: royhan on August 05, 2018, 04:16:18 AM
DM comes across as a genuinely nice guy, but I don't share the view that he should have been appointed because he has a deep love for the club. There is too much at stake for sentimentality. What happens between now and the end of the transfer window will have a vital bearing on whether we will sink or swim under DM. We need some quality additions if we are going to lose the likes of Chadli, Dawson and Rondon, but there is no indication yet that we are going to get them. Not only are we shopping in Lidl's but we only seem to be attracting players from the lower divisions. What are we paying our overseas scouts for? The Rondon/Gayle swap deal makes no sense at all to me as Gayle's heart is not on dropping down a division, if press reports are to be believed. It should not be forgotten that Gayle scored fewer goals last season that Rondon.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: colinmax on August 05, 2018, 06:41:22 AM
It was said we didn't have another striker to put on the bench but unless hr was injured I would have picked Kyle Edwards who looked better in the play offs than our selected two.Our best player was a 20 year old and I would like to see a switch to a younger,hungry team.
I am always against swapping players unless we really want the offered player,why should we have a player the other team don,t want?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2018, 08:34:50 AM
There will be more days like yesterday I am sure. Darren is a rookie Head Coach and he made some mistakes but he was also let down by some of his players.

He needs to adapt his ideas and fast. The 4-4-2 did not work and won't with the personnel he has at his disposal and the complete rejig of the squad needed to make it work isn't going to happen in the next few days.

Unless Rondon is being a complete arse behind the scenes for us to reopen the discussions with Newcastle must mean that Darren really wants Gayle because with the release clause expiring we could just rebuff any further advances.

 The window still being open which is good sense that Moore can get a couple of reinforcements in but it is still a distraction for some of our players who are looking for moves. When the dust settles Darren will at least know what he has to work with and the players will either knuckle down or they won't play which won't be doing their career ambitions any good at all. I also feel that Moore is a strong enough character not to hold a grudge and get a player back on board.

This is a hell of a challenge for any Head Coach but even more so for one in his first job. All that said the plain fact is every fan who was on the Moore bandwagon had to know that and for some to be turning after one game is disappointing.

We have to give him time to ring the changes that are needed and if that means we have a stuttering season well that is just the way it is. We absolutely don't need another 6 month Head Coach appointment for any coach to achieve a culture and football shift they need time it won't happen overnight nor will it be plain sailing but the long term gain is worth the short term pain.   


Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boot2006 on August 05, 2018, 08:54:38 AM
We're in for a long hard season, that's for sure.

At the moment I don't think we've got the balance in the team right.  We've got no real game changers in the squad.  I like Barnes  but it's too early to make any real judgement on him.  We need two more good strikers, an attacking midfielder, a centre half and a right back if we are to get out of this division.  I can also Myhill being our number one very quickly.

I like Darren Moore a lot, I really hope he gets the right backing.  This time in the Championship won't be like previous.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: don1thedon on August 05, 2018, 09:03:15 AM
There will be more days like yesterday I am sure. Darren is a rookie Head Coach and he made some mistakes but he was also let down by some of his players.
... ...
This is a hell of a challenge for any Head Coach but even more so for one in his first job. All that said the plain fact is every fan who was on the Moore bandwagon had to know that and for some to be turning after one game is disappointing.

We have to give him time to ring the changes that are needed and if that means we have a stuttering season well that is just the way it is. We absolutely don't need another 6 month Head Coach appointment for any coach to achieve a culture and football shift they need time it won't happen overnight nor will it be plain sailing but the long term gain is worth the short term pain.
Nicely put Stan.
There are challenges on so many fronts & we as supporters have to stay strong and support one of our own, someone we all know has the clubs best interests at heart - that's a rare opportunity!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 05, 2018, 09:13:34 AM
Its disappointing that so many on here are already slating the manager. I agree it wasn't a great day and I agree with many of the points in terms of formation and selection, but can we back him for a little bit longer please.

If we lose the next game and then end up booing the players on to the pitch in the next home game then we are right back to square one and all the efforts of Moore and the club to galvanise a pride and culture will have been wasted within the first few weeks.

We need to stick with this for the next few games and see how things develop. I really think that with Jones now at the club, some of these issues will be ironed out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mo on August 05, 2018, 09:49:21 AM
Which three?

I felt nyom , hegazi , Robson Kanu who isn’t good enough anyway , looked like they would rather be anywhere else. Wasn’t over enthused by Bartley either .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kirk on August 05, 2018, 10:26:21 AM
Did anyone scout Bolton during their friendlies? Totally wrong tactics, team, line up. Wrong subs and couldnt change it. All of this worries me.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 05, 2018, 10:42:20 AM
Darren's options on the bench were limited at best so I'm not going to read to much into his substition. While the buck will always stop with the manager the two goals we conceded were school boy errors by our defence and not really down to any tactical error on his part.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheBrom on August 05, 2018, 10:44:57 AM
I got the feeling he was trying to make a point about needing another AM by not changing it when we clearly needed a change.

Saying that, other than Jimmy, the entire bench didn't really inspire confidence.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: koren on August 05, 2018, 11:00:42 AM
It's still early days in his managerial career, he would have many things to learn and improve.

Hope he can notice the problem and makes changes in the coming games.
Especially the players selection in midfield, Brunt alongside Livermore is not a good partnership in my opinion.
Both are too slow and can't go forward. I don't blame them because Brunt is not a central midfielder while Livermore is a holding midfielder.
They need an attacking midfielder plays in front of them.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on August 05, 2018, 11:01:22 AM
Darren's options on the bench were limited at best so I'm not going to read to much into his substition. While the buck will always stop with the manager the two goals we conceded were school boy errors by our defence and not really down to any tactical error on his part.

IMO this is the area that needs sorting fast. Steve Madeley (ex E & S) made the point yesterday about Sam Johnstone's fitness, If he's not fit, he shouldn't be playing.
Up to now he's not impressed me at all having watched him yesterday & during the Cov friendly match.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 05, 2018, 12:06:30 PM
At what point do these set of players take their share of the blame? I'm sorry but Rodriguez, Livermore, Brunt, Phillips etc should be ashamed they couldn't find a way through Bolton's defence yesterday.

Not because Bolton are mugs, but because we had 72% possession. Scoring goals isn't hard. Brentford scored 5 yesterday. All it takes is some movement and good passes and you have a goalscoring opportunity.

90 minutes with 72% possesion and all these players could muster was 3 shots on target, mostly from outside the box.

I really am starting to shift the blame from managers to players now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: graka on August 05, 2018, 12:07:56 PM
I'm not going to go in hard on Moore for the same reason I didn't go in hard on Irvine.

It's neither of their faults they were appointed to roles way out of their depth.

Once again the fans have been let down by penny pinching by the board as I refuse to accept we couldn't afford to appoint a manager that had actually been a manager before.

Now he has been appointed though I feel we should give him at least one full season to see if he can improve and reach the required standard for the 2019/2020 season.

The question is will he improve enough? Or will the board even give him a full season to try?

I'm skeptical on both of those fronts

Exactly right. This club have always gone for the cheapest option available going back to the 70s when I started supporting us.
If you look at most teams they have a style of play ours is governed by shoe horning certain players in
Brunt must play, jrod another.
Hegazi and nyom had hardly any pre season but started.
Apparently we had a decent budget but again we only seem to be spending what we recoup
No real infrastructure behind the scenes of people with any football knowledge and a man in charge put there by an absent uninterested owner to balance the books.
I can only see another season of struggle with poor football on show
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: GREGMT on August 05, 2018, 12:25:01 PM
It's Moore's fault he is responsible for the team put out on the pitch.  If the players aren't good enough then get rid.  Players don't pick themselves.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 05, 2018, 12:25:42 PM
At what point do these set of players take their share of the blame? I'm sorry but Rodriguez, Livermore, Brunt, Phillips etc should be ashamed they couldn't find a way through Bolton's defence yesterday.

Not because Bolton are mugs, but because we had 72% possession. Scoring goals isn't hard. Brentford scored 5 yesterday. All it takes is some movement and good passes and you have a goalscoring opportunity.

90 minutes with 72% possesion and all these players could muster was 3 shots on target, mostly from outside the box.

I really am starting to shift the blame from managers to players now.


The players have taken plenty of the blame but managers have to take their share too. It was Darren Moore who picked the team yesterday, who set up in a basic 4-4-2, and who failed to make changes to affect the game.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adder on August 05, 2018, 12:26:52 PM
Given it was Graeme Jones' first game with us yesterday I'm wondering what he would have thought - especially of our midfield and general movement.

It was obvious last season that we were getting outnumbered in the midfield area when we played the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1.....if the midfield failings are not obvious from the touchline then DM or someone else should be sat up in the stand looking down on the pitch as it's obvious from there.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 05, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
In this day and age setting up in a basic 4-4-2 is a disadvantage before you even kick off. Graeme Jones needs to make Darren Moore understand this. It's not even as though we have the players who suit such a system partcularly up front. We need to go 3 in midfield one way or another.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on August 05, 2018, 01:00:53 PM
It's Moore's fault he is responsible for the team put out on the pitch.  If the players aren't good enough then get rid.  Players don't pick themselves.

The system was wrong but the players we put out were more than good enough to
beat Bolton.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: jharman292 on August 05, 2018, 01:07:35 PM
Hate 442. Whether Moore believes by playing 2 forwards we will carry more threat going forward, I don't know but I do know if he continues to play that system with the central midfielders that we have, it's going to be a long season.

My biggest problem with playing the system was just like Pulis, one of the forwards (appeared to be JRod yesterday) is asked to drop and get involved with play, however as we don't have a natural number 10 apart from Morrison who wasn't on the pitch, it just doesn't work and results in both strikers having little impact.

It is woeful that the club has been crying out for a central playmaker for so long and have failed to bring one in. As much as I wanted Morrison on the pitch yesterday, I was concerned that on day 1, we seemed to be so reliant on a man that is the wrong side of 30 and is coming back from some serious injury problems.

I am desperate for Moore to succeed and give us a team that we can really get behind but yesterday he made the same predictable mistakes that previous managers have been making. Yes he needs support in the market but he had the players yesterday so create a different result in my opinion and failed to do so, he must learn very quickly.




 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 05, 2018, 01:15:56 PM
Hate 442. Whether Moore believes by playing 2 forwards we will carry more threat going forward, I don't know but I do know if he continues to play that system with the central midfielders that we have, it's going to be a long season.

My biggest problem with playing the system was just like Pulis, one of the forwards (appeared to be JRod yesterday) is asked to drop and get involved with play, however as we don't have a natural number 10 apart from Morrison who wasn't on the pitch, it just doesn't work and results in both strikers having little impact.

It is woeful that the club has been crying out for a central playmaker for so long and have failed to bring one in. As much as I wanted Morrison on the pitch yesterday, I was concerned that on day 1, we seemed to be so reliant on a man that is the wrong side of 30 and is coming back from some serious injury problems.

I am desperate for Moore to succeed and give us a team that we can really get behind but yesterday he made the same predictable mistakes that previous managers have been making. Yes he needs support in the market but he had the players yesterday so create a different result in my opinion and failed to do so, he must learn very quickly.


That is what is so disturbing for me. Why can head coaches not see the obvious. Watching yesterday was like watching us under Pardew.

Ryan Woods and Marcus Maddison - go and get the pair of them this week.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBASweden on August 05, 2018, 01:26:10 PM

That is what is so disturbing for me. Why can head coaches not see the obvious. Watching yesterday was like watching us under Pardew.

Ryan Woods and Marcus Maddison - go and get the pair of them this week.

Isn't Ryan Woods mainly a CDM? I see Romaine Sawyers as a better option tbh
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 05, 2018, 01:27:49 PM
Isn't Ryan Woods mainly a CDM? I see Romaine Sawyers as a better option tbh
We need both types of player. We need two central midfielders to dictate the tempo and an attacking midfielder to play behind the striker and create chances.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 05, 2018, 01:28:45 PM
Isn't Ryan Woods mainly a CDM? I see Romaine Sawyers as a better option tbh


He can pass a ball and make the play. I'd bring him in in a heartbeat but as part of a rebuild for the future. We need more than just Woods though he'd be pretty ineffective in yesterday's set up.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mo on August 05, 2018, 01:32:07 PM
Given it was Graeme Jones' first game with us yesterday I'm wondering what he would have thought - especially of our midfield and general movement.

It was obvious last season that we were getting outnumbered in the midfield area when we played the 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1.....if the midfield failings are not obvious from the touchline then DM or someone else should be sat up in the stand looking down on the pitch as it's obvious from there.

I feel had Jones had more time with the squad then there would have been changes. This is where the assistant should have been appointed much earlier Jones has very limited knowledge of our playing staff that will take a few weeks to sort .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 17GD on August 05, 2018, 01:41:05 PM
I love Big Dave, but yesterday he got it horribly wrong. The game was crying out for pace and creativity and he failed to act. The moment Burke came on he was running through their defence. Mozza should have been on too. 24 hours later and I'm still bemused as to why he only made one sub on such a hot day.

His press conference wasn't convincing either. It's fine praising the other team, saying how their game plan worked etc. Yes, we all saw that it worked. Their plain was to pack the defence and midfield to stop us getting through. We simply weren't drilled enough, and we didn't have a plan B. We want to know how you plan to change it for Forest on Tuesday...


This isn't entirely DM's fault, but pre-season seemed to be a "let's just see how things go" rather than steam rolling a plan into operation. I appreciate he can only build a wall with the bricks he has to hand, but surely it was obvious that players were going to be leaving, so why release McAuley and Yacob with no replacements lined up?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 05, 2018, 01:45:29 PM
I love Big Dave, but yesterday he got it horribly wrong. The game was crying out for pace and creativity and he failed to act. The moment Burke came on he was running through their defence. Mozza should have been on too. 24 hours later and I'm still bemused as to why he only made one sub on such a hot day.

His press conference wasn't convincing either. It's fine praising the other team, saying how their game plan worked etc. Yes, we all saw that it worked. Their plain was to pack the defence and midfield to stop us getting through. We simply weren't drilled enough, and we didn't have a plan B. We want to know how you plan to change it for Forest on Tuesday...


This isn't entirely DM's fault, but pre-season seemed to be a "let's just see how things go" rather than steam rolling a plan into operation. I appreciate he can only build a wall with the bricks he has to hand, but surely it was obvious that players were going to be leaving, so why release McAuley and Yacob with no replacements lined up?


Yes. Much as Albion fans love Darren that sort of stuff will pretty soon grate on fans.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 05, 2018, 01:55:06 PM
Darren Moore has to take his fair share of blame there. There's no point saying their system worked, we didn't try a plan B at all.

On a warm day, when we had plenty of possession but not creating chances, I don't see why he only made 1 change.  And with a game on Tuesday as well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 05, 2018, 02:09:27 PM
Some people really need to calm down, we've lost 1 singular game in a season of 46. Yes it's not ideal, but it's not like we got thrashed 4-0 or that were in the relegation zone at Xmas.

We've just had probably the best assistant in the championship come in a couple of days ago, we haven't got a finished squad and the most important thing: There's 45 games left. We could lose our first 5 games and come out champions. Show a bit of faith, I firmly believe Moore and Jones will come good over the course of the season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Westie on August 05, 2018, 02:13:45 PM
We need Dawson in the team...........
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on August 05, 2018, 02:34:51 PM
I love Big Dave, but yesterday he got it horribly wrong. The game was crying out for pace and creativity and he failed to act. The moment Burke came on he was running through their defence. Mozza should have been on too. 24 hours later and I'm still bemused as to why he only made one sub on such a hot day.

His press conference wasn't convincing either. It's fine praising the other team, saying how their game plan worked etc. Yes, we all saw that it worked. Their plain was to pack the defence and midfield to stop us getting through. We simply weren't drilled enough, and we didn't have a plan B. We want to know how you plan to change it for Forest on Tuesday...


This isn't entirely DM's fault, but pre-season seemed to be a "let's just see how things go" rather than steam rolling a plan into operation. I appreciate he can only build a wall with the bricks he has to hand, but surely it was obvious that players were going to be leaving, so why release McAuley and Yacob with no replacements lined up?

You must have been watching a different Oliver Burke to me, all I saw was a player running down blind alleys.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 05, 2018, 02:43:13 PM
You must have been watching a different Oliver Burke to me, all I saw was a player running down blind alleys.


To be fair there was no other alley to run into as there was very little movement ahead of / inside him. It's asking a lot of any player to expect them to beat and keep beating 2/3/4 players. Only other options he had on the ball were retain possession or hopefully cross into a crowded penalty area.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tylerm on August 05, 2018, 03:42:17 PM

You must have been watching a different Oliver Burke to me, all I saw was a player running down blind alleys.
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At least he ran down an alley. Unlike Robson Kanu who was woeful again. Darren has to learn fast. Yesterday was as bad as anything in the last 2 years
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 05, 2018, 06:05:59 PM
We have to be patient with Moore/jones
It's his first full season, we have to give him that. We are going Through a massive change at the moment. We've lost one game. Still 40+. We have to see what happens this window then appoint scouts and sporting director before the January window and back him in that to. Obviously they want to change the style, he's got Barnes at the moment attacking wise. Let's see what happens when he gets others. Next summer will realistically be time to release the likes of myhill, brunt Morrison and Barry . The likes of fitzwater, Edwards and field could be very good players by then.
See what happens end of the season. If top 8 and fail to go up then he's earnt another season to get a full team of his. Below 8 then we both depart aye ?

No point in being trigger happy, I thought we was all sick of that ? It takes teams many years coming back except for Burnley and and Newcastle In the last decade or so ?

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adder on August 05, 2018, 06:27:20 PM
We have to be patient with Moore/jones
It's his first full season, we have to give him that. We are going Through a massive change at the moment. We've lost one game. Still 40+. We have to see what happens this window then appoint scouts and sporting director before the January window and back him in that to. Obviously they want to change the style, he's got Barnes at the moment attacking wise. Let's see what happens when he gets others. Next summer will realistically be time to release the likes of myhill, brunt Morrison and Barry . The likes of fitzwater, Edwards and field could be very good players by then.
See what happens end of the season. If top 8 and fail to go up then he's earnt another season to get a full team of his. Below 8 then we both depart aye ?

No point in being trigger happy, I thought we was all sick of that ? It takes teams many years coming back except for Burnley and and Newcastle In the last decade or so ?
Agree with the general sentiment but I don't want to see the same lack of movement, linking up and pace in the team...we don't have to wait a year to improve that. Also on a technicality, we can't release Morrison at the end of this year as he has another year in his favour.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on August 05, 2018, 06:33:24 PM
Top 8 with our budget and resources is nowhere near good enough. Top 6 is the bare minimum. Not about Big Dave, either he gets it right or gets the sack, no room for sentiment. Need to make the most of our parachute money season, either we go up this year or next or we become a small second tier club again for a decade. No excuses for yesterday’s shambles. The fans can see Brunt / Livermore doesn’t work and we’re not the paid professionals. Had all summer to get the basics right and schoolboy stuff going on yesterday. Expecting a much better account and result on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieNick on August 05, 2018, 06:52:44 PM
I think we'll lose on Tuesday.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 05, 2018, 06:58:32 PM
Top 8 with our budget and resources is nowhere near good enough. Top 6 is the bare minimum. Not about Big Dave, either he gets it right or gets the sack, no room for sentiment. Need to make the most of our parachute money season, either we go up this year or next or we become a small second tier club again for a decade. No excuses for yesterday’s shambles. The fans can see Brunt / Livermore doesn’t work and we’re not the paid professionals. Had all summer to get the basics right and schoolboy stuff going on yesterday. Expecting a much better account and result on Tuesday.

What budget is that ? Signing a keeper and center back for cash ? 2 players.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on August 05, 2018, 07:06:15 PM
What budget is that ? Signing a keeper and center back for cash ? 2 players.

We have a fairly strong squad with a lot of options. Gayle in, Dawson back, more singings to come as well. Our wage bill and squad strength is compabale or superior to any other team in the league. Top 6 is bare minimum.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: barnestormer on August 05, 2018, 07:08:51 PM
We have a fairly strong squad with a lot of options. Gayle in, Dawson back, more singings to come as well. Our wage bill and squad strength is compabale or superior to any other team in the league. Top 6 is bare minimum.
Trouble is can Darren Moore get a tune out of them? On yesterdays performance I worry
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2018, 08:14:23 PM
Trouble is can Darren Moore get a tune out of them? On yesterdays performance I worry
.     After one game! Come on pal give him a chance..What about his record at the end of last season (Don't forget in the premier ). Unbeaten in pre season . One defeat in our 1st game.and you're ready to sack him UNBELIEVABLE !!!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: barnestormer on August 05, 2018, 08:36:13 PM
.     After one game! Come on pal give him a chance..What about his record at the end of last season (Don't forget in the premier ). Unbeaten in pre season . One defeat in our 1st game.and you're ready to sack him UNBELIEVABLE !!!
Where did I say I was ready to sack him? Being a caretaker in the position we were in is one thing but being coach in his own right with the heavy burden of responsibility and expectation to get us promoted is another,I do hope he comes good but we can't afford sentiment to get in the way
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: elminius on August 05, 2018, 08:41:31 PM
Having sat by the dugout yesterday and listened to his tactical thoughts to the players when trying to keep them out at corners, im more than worried. He just kept shouting 'defend', which simplistically is what they needed to do but not quite a tactical revelation!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheBrom on August 05, 2018, 08:44:11 PM
Having sat by the dugout yesterday and listened to his tactical thoughts to the players when trying to keep them out at corners, im more than worried. He just kept shouting 'defend', which simplistically is what they needed to do but not quite a tactical revelation!

Similar to when keepers shout ‘out!’ When a corner comes in. Thanks for reminding me I was going to do the exact opposite
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: NathWBA on August 05, 2018, 09:04:42 PM
Having sat by the dugout yesterday and listened to his tactical thoughts to the players when trying to keep them out at corners, im more than worried. He just kept shouting 'defend', which simplistically is what they needed to do but not quite a tactical revelation!
what would you suggest he shout? I struggle to understand what is wrong with shouting “defend” or “get rid” from a corner, what tactical genius could he have shouted instead? If he’d not said a word people would complain he doesn’t communicate enough.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 05, 2018, 09:22:50 PM
I don't care what he shouts during the game, i care more about the week of training leading up to it and what he is able to do during the game by way of substitutions to impact the game.

If, by half time, he was unable to see that HRK needed to be removed for Mozza with J Rod going up top, then I'm sorry but that is just horrific. That is without even examining why HRK was selected up top in the first place...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2018, 09:23:12 PM
what would you suggest he shout? I struggle to understand what is wrong with shouting “defend” or “get rid” from a corner, what tactical genius could he have shouted instead? If he’d not said a word people would complain he doesn’t communicate enough.
.    Thought I was missing something.Thought there was a new tactical terminology  :D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2018, 09:27:09 PM
I don't care what he shouts during the game, i care more about the week of training leading up to it and what he is able to do during the game by way of substitutions to impact the game.

If, by half time, he was unable to see that HRK needed to be removed for Mozza with J Rod going up top, then I'm sorry but that is just horrific. That is without even examining why HRK was selected up top in the first place...
.     HRK had to start because Rondon was pulled out at the last minute .was originally down to play then was pulled from the squad completely
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on August 05, 2018, 09:39:23 PM
I don't care what he shouts during the game, i care more about the week of training leading up to it and what he is able to do during the game by way of substitutions to impact the game.

If, by half time, he was unable to see that HRK needed to be removed for Mozza with J Rod going up top, then I'm sorry but that is just horrific. That is without even examining why HRK was selected up top in the first place...

IMO DM was thinking of the game on Tuesday & was saving Mozza,

Not sure if I'm missing something, but it was the defence that lost us the game yesterday, & yet we're focusing on tactics.
I've only watched yesterday's game & the Coventry pre- season, & already my concern is the way we defend, & I've yet to be convinced by Sam Johnstone.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adder on August 05, 2018, 10:09:35 PM
IMO DM was thinking of the game on Tuesday & was saving Mozza,

Not sure if I'm missing something, but it was the defence that lost us the game yesterday, & yet we're focusing on tactics.
I've only watched yesterday's game & the Coventry pre- season, & already my concern is the way we defend, & I've yet to be convinced by Sam Johnstone.
Yes I think Mozza was being saved also, but he or Harper should have come on for 20 minutes. We were decidedly average in all departments. Barnes goal was carved out of pretty much nothing and we didn't really create any clear chances other than the Hegazi headers from set plays. Lots of work to do for DM and GJ on the team shape, midfield set-up....lots and lots of work to do.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 05, 2018, 10:31:31 PM
Everybody just needs to calm down. Big Dave needs time. Review it after 10 games. Hopefully the new Asst Manager can help stamp some authority on our style too.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 05, 2018, 10:59:00 PM
.     HRK had to start because Rondon was pulled out at the last minute .was originally down to play then was pulled from the squad completely

If that's the case then it does explain  it because you would spend all week working on your shape for the game and if that was 4-4-1-1 to suddenly change system the day before  doesn't really work as all your patterns of play you've worked on are a waste of time. The only problem is Hal Robson Kanu isn't good enough to play the role asked of him as lead striker. I won't criticise the guy as he gives his all and that's all you can ask from a player.

If we had the ball for 72 percent of the time that meant we only didn't have it for around 15 minutes so to concede two was quite poor. I would have taken a point yesterday but we ultimately lost it trying to win the game at the death.

A lot of games at home are going to be like that and we need to be confident that if we get a goal that it will be enough to win the game.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: caravanc58 on August 05, 2018, 11:00:44 PM
can I just ask why we would be saving players after 1 game? surely you put out the strongest team possible at all times and go for it when we play at home. if we are saving Morrison in this manner we'll get about 20-30 appearances such is the nature of this league.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mig on August 05, 2018, 11:19:06 PM
The signs were there for anyone who wanted to see them in Moore's six games last season. Sadly too many were caught up in the positive results against the big teams, rather than the tepid and uncreative performances against those we should have been able to beat (notably Swansea and Palace).

I wanted to believe that perhaps that style was a temporary fix which would transition to attacking and incisive football this season, but the early signs are suggest not. Hope to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2018, 11:26:53 PM
We had most possession 72%. 2nd most shots (20, Wigan had 21). Highest attendance. In the division this weekend.


Even with 4-4-2 and supposedly a dreadful centre midfield we dominated the game. Hegazi should have scored a hat trick. Bolton effectively did to us what we've done for the last 5 year's to the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.


I won't be writing us or Darren off so easily.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MBWBA on August 05, 2018, 11:35:59 PM
Everybody just needs to calm down. Big Dave needs time. Review it after 10 games. Hopefully the new Asst Manager can help stamp some authority on our style too.

Didn’t Fulham win 1 of their first 10 games and still went up?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 05, 2018, 11:57:11 PM
We had most possession 72%. 2nd most shots (20, Wigan had 21). Highest attendance. In the division this weekend.


Even with 4-4-2 and supposedly a dreadful centre midfield we dominated the game. Hegazi should have scored a hat trick. Bolton effectively did to us what we've done for the last 5 year's to the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.


I won't be writing us or Darren off so easily.

Possession means nowt, 2 shots on target is shocking from 20 attempts and yes we do have dreadful centre midfield, we have had a Summer to do something about it and now we have 4 days.

We were also playing a side which just escaped relegation last season, have had a stuttering pre-season due to players not being paid so hardly one of the favourites to go up.

I'm not writing us off as I never wrote us on, we will be lucky to reach the play offs with this squad.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie38 on August 06, 2018, 04:51:29 AM
We had most possession 72%. 2nd most shots (20, Wigan had 21). Highest attendance. In the division this weekend.


Even with 4-4-2 and supposedly a dreadful centre midfield we dominated the game. Hegazi should have scored a hat trick. Bolton effectively did to us what we've done for the last 5 year's to the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.


I won't be writing us or Darren off so easily.

This is what I've been telling myself. Bolton came and just did a job on us. Not every side will be able to do that Bolton have always been a physical team that go away and play for a draw or a scrappy win they are just one of those sides. Let's just get this week out the way we could have a completely different looking squad this time next week. I have faith in big dave
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on August 06, 2018, 08:00:52 AM
Completely agree with Phil. This summer has been a disappointment and we now only have a few days left to bring in the key creative modfielder that we very blatantly needed last season (as said by Pulis, and then Pardew, and the local press and the fans, but apparantly not by those at the club).

Going to be tough to make the top 6 at the moment.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 06, 2018, 10:01:16 AM
Possession means nowt, 2 shots on target is shocking from 20 attempts and yes we do have dreadful centre midfield, we have had a Summer to do something about it and now we have 4 days.

We were also playing a side which just escaped relegation last season, have had a stuttering pre-season due to players not being paid so hardly one of the favourites to go up.

I'm not writing us off as I never wrote us on, we will be lucky to reach the play offs with this squad.

That's the thing, for all our possession we didn't really create any chances that weren't from dead ball situations.  It's not like Bolton had to ride their luck to beat us.  If we had created a lot of really good chances then I'd be more confident as it is, one of the poorer sides in the league kept us out comfortable while our defence looked liked they'd only just met for the first time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 06, 2018, 10:16:05 AM
Where were these 20 shots we weren't meant to have had? I don't remember them.

I remember:

1 Barnes goal
3 Hegazi headers one hit bar, one saved, one wide
1 Nyom shot first half when he cut inside
1 Phillips (I think) shot, similar position, went wide, may have been deflected, can't remember exactly
1 Brunt crap free kick second half, hit wall
1 Barnes shot blocked inside left channel, early second half
1 crap Robson - Kanu effort from about thirty yards with about 15 mins to go

What were the other eleven?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on August 06, 2018, 10:26:36 AM
Completely agree with Phil. This summer has been a disappointment and we now only have a few days left to bring in the key creative modfielder that we very blatantly needed last season (as said by Pulis, and then Pardew, and the local press and the fans, but apparantly not by those at the club).

Going to be tough to make the top 6 at the moment.
    We can take players on loan after Thursday so there's no rush. We can sit back and see what players in the prem won't get a game
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on August 06, 2018, 10:31:27 AM
Completely agree with Phil. This summer has been a disappointment and we now only have a few days left to bring in the key creative modfielder that we very blatantly needed last season (as said by Pulis, and then Pardew, and the local press and the fans, but apparantly not by those at the club).

Going to be tough to make the top 6 at the moment.

Our midfield has been a problem since we lost the balance of having Yacob and Mulumbu in there.

The problem we have is a lot of our midfielders are the same, Barry/Livermore/Brunt/Field all offer the same type of play, so when we play a midfield of 2 and 2 of those are picked, it limits what we can do.

That's why people wanted Morrison to stay, not because of sentiment, but more because hes the only one in the squad who can play in the middle and offer us a bit more creativity going forward.

Personally I think we need to play a middle two of possibly Field and Livermore sitting deeper and having a three infront of them of Morrison/Burke/Barnes/Phillips all rotating and trying to play.

When we play 4-4-2 we lack any sort of imagination.

The biggest confusion for me is we have hardly played 4-4-2 all pre season but revert to it for the first game of the season, hopefully we look at a 4-2-3-1 against Forest.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 06, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
There were quite a few awful efforts from about 30 yards, the kind where they're never even close to being a threat, not even struck well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 06, 2018, 12:56:56 PM
I just have the same two questions that I keep coming back to:

1/ Why play one formation for all (or most) of pre-season, and then go with something completely different on the opening day?

2/ Why no subs? Did he leave Morrison off for Forest, or did he not want to be seen to cave in to the fans? If it's the latter, then its a problem.

It was a step in the right direction that we were able to dominate a game and play possession football, but we need to be stronger defensively and actually have a number 10 who can create chances at this level. No use signing somebody like Gayle if you aren't going to create chances.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 06, 2018, 01:18:12 PM
It was almost as if he won a raffle to take charge.

Regardless of whether he is inexperienced or not, he should have seen clearly that the set-up and personnel was not working. I am more concerned that the apparent answer to the problem was to take off our best player and do nothing regarding our style strike force and midfield that cried out for a change.

I hope the Brunt and Livermore experiment is binned for good.

Furthermore, I am not sure pinning our hopes on Dwight Gayle is going to be much use to us if we cannot provide him with any service. If anything, I think we would cope much better with a Sam Vokes (or a Saloman Rondon) to allow us to play into.

Early days, but a more worrying sign. I hope it was just a one-off.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
Why no subs? Did he leave Morrison off for Forest, or did he not want to be seen to cave in to the fans? If it's the latter, then its a problem.
They're both a problem for me. Enthusiasm and expectations were high amongst fans for this game, and it was important to get off to a good start, so holding any players back for the next game couldn't be justified in my view.

Regardless of that, it was a hot day, so only making one substitution (and that after 76 minutes) also doesn't make sense. Everyone (well almost) wants to give Darren a chance, but many will also need to see him trying to make sensible/right decisions during matches, otherwise increasing numbers of questions will start being asked.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: cad on August 06, 2018, 05:50:28 PM
We had most possession 72%. 2nd most shots (20, Wigan had 21). Highest attendance. In the division this weekend.


Even with 4-4-2 and supposedly a dreadful centre midfield we dominated the game. Hegazi should have scored a hat trick. Bolton effectively did to us what we've done for the last 5 year's to the likes of Liverpool and Manchester United.


I won't be writing us or Darren off so easily.


Have you found a full match replay? I'd really appreciate a link if you have one.
Thanks in advance...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on August 07, 2018, 09:05:15 AM
I honestly think Darren bottled it on Saturday, 1st game and all that, just get a result and get it out of the way, sort of approach. I don't believe what we saw on Saturday is the way he wants to play, he just got a bit scared and reverted to safety first. 1st day nerves.
He said afterwards that it was a wake up call for the players but I'm sure it was one for him as well. Hopefully he will introduce Johnstone, Hegazi and Bartley to each other before tonights game, bin the Brunt / Livermore combo and get Morrison into a 3 behind 1 striker.
If we see the same team and formation then I will be genuinely worried.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2018, 09:37:47 AM
Lose tonight and again saturday which is highly probable and the pressure is on. I dont think we would ever boo Big Dave though
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2018, 09:42:54 AM
Loose tonight and again saturday which is highly probable and the pressure is on. I dont think we would ever boo Big Dave though


Lets hope we tighten things up at the back then...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on August 07, 2018, 10:01:35 AM
Could probably argue this game is his biggest test as a manager/head coach.

He had free hits at the remaining games last year.

A lot of us (and the rest of the country) probably had us to beat Bolton on Saturday, some expected a comfortable win, but that wasn't the case.

This game is a big test for DM, does he stick with the 4-4-2 or does he change it up.

Im excited, but nervous.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2018, 10:02:45 AM

Lets hope we tighten things up at the back then...

Sharp this morning !
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on August 07, 2018, 11:26:18 AM
 That means Dawson back tonight.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on August 07, 2018, 05:10:26 PM
How naive were our board listening to the players? When it was announced i posted that i felt sick
It was removed presumably by some doctor who knew i didn't really.
Now my worst fears have been realised, Big Dave is out of his depth, abandoned by the players and will be hung out to dry by a clueless board.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2018, 05:11:37 PM
How naive were our board listening to the players? When it was announced i posted that i felt sick
It was removed presumably by some doctor who knew i didn't really.
Now my worst fears have been realised, Big Dave is out of his depth, abandoned by the players and will be hung out to dry by a clueless board.


It's been one match...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 07, 2018, 05:26:55 PM
How naive were our board listening to the players? When it was announced i posted that i felt sick
It was removed presumably by some doctor who knew i didn't really.
Now my worst fears have been realised, Big Dave is out of his depth, abandoned by the players and will be hung out to dry by a clueless board.

Its comments like this that make me hope we win tonight more than usual.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on August 07, 2018, 05:28:00 PM

It's been one match...

It has yes, but Forest and Norwich next, i can see us struggling to stay up. I have no confidence in how the club is being run. When players like Foster want out, then something is very wrong. I have no confidence either in our transfer people. Buffoons.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on August 07, 2018, 05:30:01 PM
Its comments like this that make me hope we win tonight more than usual.

Nothing would give me more pleasure, but i see the mess this club is in.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 07, 2018, 05:44:57 PM
I have to admit, I am praying for a win and a good performance tonight as I am needing some faith to be restored
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: miggybaggy on August 07, 2018, 05:53:31 PM
Nothing would give me more pleasure, but i see the mess this club is in.

Yep. Three to four more years as mid-table championship at best thanks to Pulis. We'll go to Forest later and probably play Kanu up front, a midfield partnership of Brunt and Livermore only going backwards and sideways, and our best player (Barnes) stuck out on the wing never seeing the ball until he's substituted and increasingly demoralised. Can only see us being battered.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2018, 05:58:15 PM
It has yes, but Forest and Norwich next, i can see us struggling to stay up. I have no confidence in how the club is being run. When players like Foster want out, then something is very wrong. I have no confidence either in our transfer people. Buffoons.


Foster has never dropped into the Championship. Jumped ship every time.


I know you're a glass half empty supporter but I feel totally opposite we'll beat Forest and Norwich.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on August 07, 2018, 06:25:04 PM
It has yes, but Forest and Norwich next, i can see us struggling to stay up. I have no confidence in how the club is being run. When players like Foster want out, then something is very wrong. I have no confidence either in our transfer people. Buffoons.

I don't know any details about why Ben Foster left, but, unlike some others, I think he meant it when he said he wanted to stay & help us get back to the Premier league.

However,..................................I believe that he saw himself as our Number 1 keeper, & when he realised that wasn't going to be the case this season, he reviewed his position.

I believe he took the view, that he was better off financially on Watford's bench than on ours, & that's why he left.

At the moment, we're in a pretty tumultuous transition period, & on the surface, it's quite alarming how we've unravelled since this time last year, but it's rare that idealistic solutions are available, & it looks as though we've been forced to take a more pragmatic approach,
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: NathWBA on August 07, 2018, 06:27:40 PM
I don't know any details about why Ben Foster left, but, unlike some others, I think he meant it when he said he wanted to stay & help us get back to the Premier league.

However,..................................I believe that he saw himself as our Number 1 keeper, & when he realised that wasn't going to be the case this season, he reviewed his position.

I believe he took the view, that he was better off financially on Watford's bench than on ours, & that's why he left.

At the moment, we're in a pretty tumultuous transition period, & on the surface, it's quite alarming how we've unravelled since this time last year, but it's rare that idealistic solutions are available, & it looks as though we've been forced to take a more pragmatic approach,
from what people have said foster never had any intention of staying at all and as soon as relegation was confirmed he said he wanted out, apparently a lot of the other players weren’t happy that he’d publicly said he would stay but behind closed doors was telling people he was going to leave.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2018, 06:40:22 PM
Foster wouldn't have been on our bench and he won't be on Watford's...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wbastrollers on August 07, 2018, 06:50:54 PM
How naive were our board listening to the players? When it was announced i posted that i felt sick
It was removed presumably by some doctor who knew i didn't really.
Now my worst fears have been realised, Big Dave is out of his depth, abandoned by the players and will be hung out to dry by a clueless board.
[/b]

Master of contradiction.
If ‘Darren Moore is out of his depth’ - you would keep him on then, I presume?

I will agree the board are clueless.
Darren Moore - has earned the right to be Head Coach. How long he stays there, will depend on him, this is a results game   no room for sentiment - They left It too long with Pardew, they will not make the same mistake this time.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: divinewind on August 07, 2018, 08:40:50 PM
[/b]

Master of contradiction.
If ‘Darren Moore is out of his depth’ - you would keep him on then, I presume?

I will agree the board are clueless.
Darren Moore - has earned the right to be Head Coach. How long he stays there, will depend on him, this is a results game   no room for sentiment - They left It too long with Pardew, they will not make the same mistake this time.



A bit contradictory yourself, no room for sentiment. It was sentiment that got him the job, that and the fact he cost bugger all.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieNick on August 07, 2018, 08:58:01 PM
A bit contradictory yourself, no room for sentiment. It was sentiment that got him the job, that and the fact he cost bugger all.

Mainly due to the second point...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: barnestormer on August 07, 2018, 09:06:38 PM
Gone before the kids are on the street with penny for the guy
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: wba_1996 on August 07, 2018, 09:42:54 PM
The quality of our players has got him out of jail tonight. Again the team selection was wrong and the substitutions (or lack of) were awful. There's no game plan at all and tonight was embarrassing at times. Needs to learn very very quickly or he needs replacing.

The fact we had Dean Smith on a plate makes me want to cry.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 07, 2018, 09:48:12 PM
The quality of our players has got him out of jail tonight. Again the team selection was wrong and the substitutions (or lack of) were awful. There's no game plan at all and tonight was embarrassing at times. Needs to learn very very quickly or he needs replacing.

The fact we had Dean Smith on a plate makes me want to cry.

Yes poor team selection. Man city kid hung out to dry at right back- if Moore doesn't like or rate nyom we need to bring one in.

Lack of changes is criminal, I know we have a weak bench but still Burke and HRK on there.

I want him to succeed but I am worried
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2018, 09:49:11 PM
Adarabioyo is not a right back, need to get one in ASAP.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 07, 2018, 09:57:31 PM
We've hit the wood work 5 times in 2 games ? 2 fantastic goals. All good build up

We still have to be patient, we have a point to build on.

Guarenteed incomings plus Gayle to come into the team.

We will still cause major problems once we know what we have to work withz

Plus club won't sack Moore. It's 2 games
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: crocodile007 on August 07, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
Really sorry to say but early indications are that darren doesn't have a clue. I honestly think he looks out of his depth. There was simply no style of play. We didn't play possession football, we didn't look to break at pace, we didn't didn't play a pressing game. I really struggle to see what we tried to do. I am concerned.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBASweden on August 07, 2018, 10:00:01 PM
We desperatly have to change out the whole central midfield sadly. We need atleast 2 new CDM/CM as Field seems never to be fit and atleast 1 new CAM. Brunt and Livermore are like The Two Towers
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2018, 10:00:41 PM
Not many teams will get points at forest, the Bolton game was a freak game, like when we beat Man U, Liverpool etc. The football is better, we need a better left winger so we can stick Barnes in the middle. The signs are there, give it time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ComebackStrodds on August 07, 2018, 10:01:22 PM
Adarabioyo is not a right back, need to get one in ASAP.

He had a Shelton Martis Against stoke moment, another worry.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2018, 10:03:12 PM
Really sorry to say but early indications are that darren doesn't have a clue. I honestly think he looks out of his depth. There was simply no style of play. We didn't play possession football, we didn't look to break at pace, we didn't didn't play a pressing game. I really struggle to see what we tried to do. I am concerned.

I echo those thoughts. Need a proper experienced right back for this league who can defend and attack when needed. Midfield is so slow it’s cringeworthy. Gayle was the only positive tonight
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on August 07, 2018, 10:04:32 PM
Does not like using substitutes, playing players out of position (centre backs rarely make good full backs!!!!), failing to spot the glaring weaknesses in our team.

It's been a poor start for Moore. Already exhibiting the worrying signs that make you lose faith very fast.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: mulliganstired on August 07, 2018, 10:05:06 PM
Really sorry to say but early indications are that darren doesn't have a clue. I honestly think he looks out of his depth. There was simply no style of play. We didn't play possession football, we didn't look to break at pace, we didn't didn't play a pressing game. I really struggle to see what we tried to do. I am concerned.
I hope he has the sense to understand his own lack of experience and learn what he can from Jones, otherwise we'll be mid table at best, we can't leave the middle of the park open like that when we haven't got the ball.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mo on August 07, 2018, 10:06:18 PM
Not many teams will get points at forest, the Bolton game was a freak game, like when we beat Man U, Liverpool etc. The football is better, we need a better left winger so we can stick Barnes in the middle. The signs are there, give it time.

I don’t share your enthusiasm there are many more Bolton’s to come.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
Interesting both our goals have come from full backs pushing up and crossing to the opposite winger, clearly something from the training field. Keep up the good work!

Hit the post 4 times in two games and missed some great chances.

Clearly he knows nothing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheBrom on August 07, 2018, 10:08:36 PM
Can honestly see why Pulis used to double up the wide midfielders with our full backs. We haven't had a decent ones for seasons now. Clearly the whole defence is not getting a great deal of coaching at the moment, they look all over the place.

We desperately need to switch up our formation and also provide the link between midfield and strikers. Gayle looked lively tonight but we need to make sure he gets the service.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:08:53 PM
Not many teams will get points at forest, the Bolton game was a freak game, like when we beat Man U, Liverpool etc. The football is better, we need a better left winger so we can stick Barnes in the middle. The signs are there, give it time.

Seems very optimistic. I think we have the tools in the squad to get into the top six and enough options this window to plug some of the holes but I don't have a lot of faith in Moore & co to get it right. Not sure he is ruthless enough. Brunt seems to be playing central midfield on reputation in the dressing room, certainly not form or merit. Why no Harper? Very negative stuff tonight.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: 65baggie on August 07, 2018, 10:09:33 PM
The quality of our players has got him out of jail tonight. Again the team selection was wrong and the substitutions (or lack of) were awful. There's no game plan at all and tonight was embarrassing at times. Needs to learn very very quickly or he needs replacing.

The fact we had Dean Smith on a plate makes me want to cry.


Are you for real ???
It’s a learning curve
New No 2 as well
Look at it after 10-12 games
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 07, 2018, 10:12:15 PM
I personally think there were spells when we were looking far better tonight. As soon as Moore was appointment, i said that the number 2 will make or break him, and i think as time goes on we'll improve as Jones offers his more detailed tactical analysis. I envisage Moore being the man manager who controls the overall direction of the team, and Jones being the more tactical of the duo who focuses more on the finer details.

Bottom line is I think it's an improved performance to that of last Saturday, and as the new coaching staff and team bed together, we'll continue to improve.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 07, 2018, 10:13:20 PM
Not many teams will get points at forest, the Bolton game was a freak game, like when we beat Man U, Liverpool etc. The football is better, we need a better left winger so we can stick Barnes in the middle. The signs are there, give it time.

Brunt left side get a decent cm 2 problems fixed in one go
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2018, 10:14:01 PM
Seems very optimistic. I think we have the tools in the squad to get into the top six and enough options this window to plug some of the holes but I don't have a lot of faith in Moore & co to get it right. Not sure he is ruthless enough. Brunt seems to be playing central midfield on reputation in the dressing room, certainly not form or merit. Why no Harper? Very negative stuff tonight.

I shared those thoughts as well until he got rid of whole goalkeeping department and rebuilt it. Froze out all players who did not want to play for us or sold the rest. Let go players many wanted to keep.

Makes me think Rondon was deliberately dropped to show how weak we would be without another striker in the team to replace him.

Always ask your self the opposite, what could he of done to be more ruthless that would of benefited the club?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:17:06 PM

Are you for real ???
It’s a learning curve
New No 2 as well
Look at it after 10-12 games

We haven't got time for a learning curve. We should be pushing in and around the top six, either Moore is good enough or he's not. He's not entitled to learn his trade and score up a season whilst our parachute money runs dry. Not saying sack him, but he hasn't got a free pass for 10-12 games either. Every game in this division we should be looking to win.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2018, 10:20:50 PM
Brunt left side get a decent cm 2 problems fixed in one go

Would prefer someone quicker, maybe ojo would be a good option after all. Need to bin Chadli if he doesn’t want to be here asap
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on August 07, 2018, 10:24:29 PM
Its only two games into the new season and far too early for any rash decisions but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

We have played two very different opposition and struggled against both, against Bolton we had all the ball and did little with it, against Forest we had the chance to play on the counter but were slow and ponderous it was never an option and instead we resorted to hoofing it (bar the last 5 minutes)

Don Goodman said he couldnt see what Albions style or system was or what they were trying to do and i totally agree with him, said the same Saturday. Its not the finished article i expect to see but something towards what identity we want to have, i saw the friendly vs Coventry and was very positive (abeit it was a friendly) yet the two leagues games just seem to be carbon copies of most of the last two seasons.

It makes me wonder what the six weeks of preseason were spent doing if the last two games are the outcome, its still early days but watching Leeds on Sunday you could see what they were trying to do, it may go t**s up for them but you could see something, the same went with Derby second half vs Reading, Swansea the same they all have the same issues we have and brought in new players and manager  the same time yet you could see what they were trying to do, even if they werent great at it, i cant actually see what we are trying to do so far.

I have now seen 11 championship teams and we are the worst by far with Stoke the second worst, again its still early though.

I saw Big Daves interview and that worried me, i am hoping he said one thing to the cameras and something different to the players but he seemed happy with the game plan and it seemed we setup for a draw. David Johnson the pundit seemed genuinely shocked and said we should be going to Forest with the players we have, also last season from the league above, taking the game to them, winning and laying down a marker, instead it feels like we are happy to of got lucky with a point.

Again i am hoping this setup / performance was just to get points on board and build from there but i have my doubts. I like to give managers a fair crack but i think a good time to judge Big Dave will be 8-10 games, speaking as a fan i dont expect us to be winning the league, or even be top half but if when watching you could see we are trying to build something, even if it takes time then i will be happy, but what i dont want is another season like the last 2 or 3, especially this season where even with a relegated team, we should have stronger players.

I was told by a very good source that Moore wanted to keep most of last seasons squad if he could, so his managerial career at Albion will succeed or fail on that, its his choice to keep that group.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 07, 2018, 10:39:12 PM
Its only two games into the new season and far too early for any rash decisions but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

We have played two very different opposition and struggled against both, against Bolton we had all the ball and did little with it, against Forest we had the chance to play on the counter but were slow and ponderous it was never an option and instead we resorted to hoofing it (bar the last 5 minutes)

Don Goodman said he couldnt see what Albions style or system was or what they were trying to do and i totally agree with him, said the same Saturday. Its not the finished article i expect to see but something towards what identity we want to have, i saw the friendly vs Coventry and was very positive (abeit it was a friendly) yet the two leagues games just seem to be carbon copies of most of the last two seasons.

It makes me wonder what the six weeks of preseason were spent doing if the last two games are the outcome, its still early days but watching Leeds on Sunday you could see what they were trying to do, it may go t**s up for them but you could see something, the same went with Derby second half vs Reading, Swansea the same they all have the same issues we have and brought in new players and manager  the same time yet you could see what they were trying to do, even if they werent great at it, i cant actually see what we are trying to do so far.

I have now seen 11 championship teams and we are the worst by far with Stoke the second worst, again its still early though.

I saw Big Daves interview and that worried me, i am hoping he said one thing to the cameras and something different to the players but he seemed happy with the game plan and it seemed we setup for a draw. David Johnson the pundit seemed genuinely shocked and said we should be going to Forest with the players we have, also last season from the league above, taking the game to them, winning and laying down a marker, instead it feels like we are happy to of got lucky with a point.

Again i am hoping this setup / performance was just to get points on board and build from there but i have my doubts. I like to give managers a fair crack but i think a good time to judge Big Dave will be 8-10 games, speaking as a fan i dont expect us to be winning the league, or even be top half but if when watching you could see we are trying to build something, even if it takes time then i will be happy, but what i dont want is another season like the last 2 or 3, especially this season where even with a relegated team, we should have stronger players.

I was told by a very good source that Moore wanted to keep most of last seasons squad if he could, so his managerial career at Albion will succeed or fail on that, its his choice to keep that group.
I read that somewhere too. If that's true, he should be sacked for that alone/should never have been appointed in the first place. Shows a complete lack of judgement, and naive loyalty to the detriment of our promotion hopes.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kamarasboot on August 07, 2018, 10:48:01 PM
We haven't got time for a learning curve. We should be pushing in and around the top six, either Moore is good enough or he's not. He's not entitled to learn his trade and score up a season whilst our parachute money runs dry. Not saying sack him, but he hasn't got a free pass for 10-12 games either. Every game in this division we should be looking to win.

Exactly this.

You’re either happy to give Moore 10-12 games to learn or you’re not, For me if you’re happy for that to happen then I don’t think you can pass comment on performance or results until that time has passed.

The problem is the season could be gone by then. The championship is not a league you can learn in if your aim is to get promoted.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on August 07, 2018, 10:52:05 PM
Look we lost at home by one goal late on,we've just drawn away at forest who've spent big.
If Phillips is playing well pop him in the 10 role just behind Gayle who looks like the answer to our prayers up front and replace Phillips position.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 07, 2018, 10:52:51 PM
Look we lost at home by one goal late on,we've just drawn away at forest who've spent big.
If Phillips is playing well pop him in the 10 role just behind Gayle who looks like the answer to our prayers up front and replace Phillips position.

Thank you for your brilliant insight as ever... ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 07, 2018, 10:57:10 PM
Gotto admit to being a bit worried. I agreed with Don Goodman on the point about it not being clear what our gameplan is, and the comment from Moore about setting out to stifle does worry me.

Its still very, very early though. We need to get to the Norwich game, with our squad largely settled, and two games to learn from, and take it from there. Our defence on the whole looked better than Saturday. Jones is now in to help guide Moore, and Jones' specialism is in attack where we need it most. On that basis I still hold out hope.

But for the post we would have 4 points. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Topman on August 07, 2018, 10:59:23 PM
For me the comments from David Johnson spoke volumes. He was shocked that our tactics were to soak up away from home with the quality we have. Early days but there is much to be concerned about with Moore. I said I would back him and I will but this needs to improve and quickly. He must sort out the middle of the park as a matter of urgency.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2018, 11:12:11 PM
It is two games in and Darren needs to go back to the drawing board. Tonight we needed to play further up the pitch as a unit.  I thought there were some glaringly obvious round pegs in square holes some of which were entirely avoidable. I cannot see the 4-4-2 or it's near cousin 4-4-1-1 working with this group of players and I am really concerned that Moore seems to be sticking with Brunt in Central midfield when it is plainly not working, this might be due to a lack of alternatives but it needs to be rethought.

I am trying very hard not to rush to judgement but I hope things evolve somewhat and also players settle down and start to focus once the window closes.
 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Westie on August 07, 2018, 11:13:22 PM
I think Darren Moore is a great bloke but he did not come across well in his interview, sad.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: graka on August 07, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
Tactically inept for me
And we are still playing square pegs!!
Also 2 games in 4 days and he doesn't use the bench
If he can't see that central midfield is atrocious he needs sacking now
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: charlebaggie on August 07, 2018, 11:25:56 PM
I think Darren Moore is a great bloke but he did not come across well in his interview, sad.
.  I agree with your post.Ive been one of DM's adversaries but on that interview after the game. Well! I'm sorry Darren it's got to better than that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: CL3MO on August 07, 2018, 11:28:43 PM
Anybody else worried about that post-match interview?

Moore on the game. "You're always pleased to get off the mark. For a neutral it was a good game... This will be a difficult place for visiting teams to come. We had to be smart and shut the game down, we managed the occasion very well." (1/2)

Moore: "We stifled them and then we get a sucker punch with the goal that took a deflection. The response by the players was excellent... We need to adapt to this league. There were slight signs today, but we're nowhere near the finished article." (2/2)

The bits in bold make me shudder. WE should be the team that others look to stifle. Fans have not bought their season tickets in their droves and become extremely excited about what the season holds to watch a team, full of talent, to 'stifle' other teams. Be 'respectful', at times, yes, but not stifle.

I love Big Dave but am I worried about his plans for the team this season? Yes.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 07, 2018, 11:37:15 PM
Anybody else worried about that post-match interview?

Moore on the game. "You're always pleased to get off the mark. For a neutral it was a good game... This will be a difficult place for visiting teams to come. We had to be smart and shut the game down, we managed the occasion very well." (1/2)

Moore: "We stifled them and then we get a sucker punch with the goal that took a deflection. The response by the players was excellent... We need to adapt to this league. There were slight signs today, but we're nowhere near the finished article." (2/2)

The bits in bold make me shudder. WE should be the team that others look to stifle. Fans have not bought their season tickets in their droves and become extremely excited about what the season holds to watch a team, full of talent, to 'stifle' other teams. Be 'respectful', at times, yes, but not stifle.
I agree regarding your concerns about us setting up to do this, but we didn't stifle them and they had us on the back foot for long periods. When Darren was appointed, I thought the days of hearing our managers giving rose-tinted post-match interviews had gone, but it sadly appears not.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2018, 11:44:51 PM
Darren is a respectful man, but he's over doing the praise for the likes of Bolton and Forest. I can see him doing that to every team in the league. We have come from the Prem league, playing the likes of Man U and Spurs, have the greater resources and we should be setting out to win all our games at this level, home and away.
I'm afraid on the evidence of the last 2 games, we are at nowher like the level we should be. There's a helluva lot of work to do on the training ground. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2018, 11:49:46 PM
The first 5 or 6 games will be a grind, anyone who thought he would transform us into some Barca like machine in 3 months needs a reality check. I've watched every live game available and we look by far the most threatening team in the division going forward. The defence is a shambles with Hegazi and Gibbs being badly let down by Bartley and both right backs that have played. Johnstone was better tonight than Saturday but is still rooted to his line. I feel Livermore is the problem with the central midfield as opposed to Brunt but that's just me. Morrison looked short of sharpness but showed some clever touches. Phillips has been excellent and Barnes was excellent on Saturday but poor tonight (awful miss too). Rodriguez and HRK are not interested and not good enough respectively. Rodriguez should have buried those chances tonight especially the 2nd one. Gayle looked lively and displayed a much better touch than I was expecting, he also should have scored tonight.


All in all the negativity towards Moore at such an early stage is totally over the top. We need the window to shut so he knows what he's got to work with, we need Field fit imo to replace Livermore and we need to sell and replace Rodriguez. Dawson coming back into the fold (strictly as a centre back) would be great also. Give the coaching team a bit of time to work together Moore, Jones, Shan and Cutler and lets see what happens.


#WeNotMe
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 08, 2018, 12:00:11 AM
Wanted him, but now..thank you and good night.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 08, 2018, 12:05:32 AM
Wanted him, but now..thank you and good night.


Incredible.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on August 08, 2018, 12:06:59 AM
Looked like Jones took over from sideline when Gale came on and even shook Forests managers first after game. Could it be player's are trying to jump ship before window shuts because of a naive head coach. Love for Darren to prove me wrong but pre and post match interviews he comes across  poorly.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 08, 2018, 12:07:44 AM
The first 5 or 6 games will be a grind

...

All in all the negativity towards Moore at such an early stage is totally over the top. We need the window to shut so he knows what he's got to work with, we need Field fit imo to replace Livermore and we need to sell and replace Rodriguez. Dawson coming back into the fold (strictly as a centre back) would be great also. Give the coaching team a bit of time to work together Moore, Jones, Shan and Cutler and lets we what happens.


#WeNotMe

Spot on, people getting on Big Daves back already should be ashamed. Did people really expect a rookie manager to waltz in and hammer the league from game 1? Tonight was an improvement from Saturday in terms of both performance and result, and that means were moving in the right direction. Wish people would show a bit of patience for Big Dave (half a season should be bare minimim) after vying for the club to appoint him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on August 08, 2018, 12:09:16 AM
Wanted him, but now..thank you and good night.

Come on mukka, Not in the slightest has it been the start that can give us any hope in fact the opposite can be said but to call  for his head is a no no for me. It's not all his fault
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: CL3MO on August 08, 2018, 12:18:06 AM
I just cannot fathom the Brunt-Livermore partnership. If other teams get legs around them then we're screwed from the first whistle. I really hope DM can see this - like literally every other fan can.

I thought it was telling tonight how confused each and every pundit was with our tactics and general game plan. It's worrying and I hope it's something that we're not going to go to Norwich and do...

I also agree with you Jacko about getting Sam Field in the team, when fit, but do you honestly think DM will put him in the team, in place of Livermore or Brunty? Can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on August 08, 2018, 02:04:44 AM
Wanted Smith but have backed Moore and will continue too despite a rocky start. I don’t think people realise how long it will take to change things. There was a malaise that set in and it will take time. Squad wise he inherited some good footballers but a lopsided squad. I personally don’t think Moore has been backed in the transfer market and we want to shift some players on but has anyone bid for them? Livermore, Nyom, Hegazi and Gibbs have been mentioned but no concrete offers or credible rumours. Dawson and Chadli haven’t been available yet.
We also ended last season with Livermore, Barry, Field, Morrison, Yacob and Greg (loan) as our central midfield options...so much variety there ;)
I agree with the midfield comments 100% but for me it will take 2 maybe 3 windows to sort out the mess.
Someone said Moore makes his 7th signing with Gayle (3 were goalkeepers) and 2 were loan signings.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on August 08, 2018, 06:01:23 AM
Two games , lots of change, players wanting out, only got an assistant last week, no DoF sonrunning transfers more himself (imagine the time calls, meetings research , admin takes to the detriment of training). We’ll know more 15 games after the window is shut . Jones could be a key appointment and one which bolsters BDs inexperience/ lack of technical experience as a coach. Let’s wait and see for a bit Jones and Darren Moore together could be good!?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 08, 2018, 06:54:12 AM
For me the comments from David Johnson spoke volumes. He was shocked that our tactics were to soak up away from home with the quality we have. Early days but there is much to be concerned about with Moore. I said I would back him and I will but this needs to improve and quickly. He must sort out the middle of the park as a matter of urgency.
He did equally say we should have scored more goals and pointed out we hit the woodwork on four occasions and could have won the game  ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 08, 2018, 07:08:59 AM
Away from home at one of the title favourites and people are surprised that the tactic was to stifle the opposition before pushing on to get a winner. Pretty much standard fare up and down the leagues (arguably boring, but fairly common even with experienced coaches). It wasn't pretty but it resulted in very few chances for the home team and was forcing them to shoot from 40 yards which should have been comfortable.  We created far better opportunities. As to the pundit not understanding our game plan, easy target for Dingle Don to claim against an inexperienced coach and a bandwagon for Sky (and our own support)to jump on. Our team have played together for less than 180 minutes in competitive football and some aren't as good as we think. It'll take more than two games to sort out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: skyclad99 on August 08, 2018, 07:15:12 AM
Wanted him, but now..thank you and good night.

Unbelievable comment.....

Good job Manchester United were not of the same mindset when they hired some scottish bloke.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on August 08, 2018, 07:47:17 AM
We will get a clearer picture in a few games time, when Moore will hopefully have Dawson, Chadli, Field and a couple of new signings available, but this start has not been good.

It always worries me when a manager comes in and says "I don't have a footballing philosophy". Di Matteo said the same, and while he did get us promotion, he has since gone on to show that he hasn't quite got enough to last as a manager having been sacked by us, Chelsea and Villa following poor league results.

A coach working in the game for a few years should have an idea how he wants the game to be played, be that defensive like Pulis, passing like Cruyff/Guardiola or fast pressing like Klopp/Bielsa.

When somebody comes in and says "I do 't have a philosophy", it just gives me the impression that they aren't particularly football thinkers, but more and more successful managers nowadays are and you can just be out thought if you don't really havr an opinion on tactics. Anyone can come in and make it up as they go along. We need more than that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: bigwigjack on August 08, 2018, 07:48:56 AM
Think some comments are harsh at best, down right ridiculous at worst. I think not sorting out the backroom staff  till late on is affecting us. Jones has probably only had  1 or 2 sessions with the team. You can see he is trying to influence things, and help Darren Moore.

To be calling for his head is ridiculous. Once Thursday is out the way, so we know what we have and can settle, and he has had a run of games, then it's time to judge.

Everyone expecting miracles is crazy, he braught the club back together, at least give him the decency of a fair crack at it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Smethwickender93 on August 08, 2018, 08:08:46 AM
I love Big Dave and will continue to back him but it just feels we have put a Sunday league manager in charge of the same set of players that got us relegated last season.

Players are unsure what there jobs are and with Darren Moore shouting things from the touch line like ‘defend’ and ‘you’ve got to work’ just reminds me of my playing days (which was a poor standard)

It’s the body language of the players that’s worrying me. I was looking forward to the championship with us having a reshuffle but I’m not convinced with this set of players and management.

Maybe that point last night is what we need to kickstart our season with a couple of additions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 08, 2018, 08:24:11 AM
Unbelievable comment.....

Good job Manchester United were not of the same mindset when they hired some scottish bloke.

...some Scottish bloke who had won 3 league titles back when Scotland was a viable league, 4 Scottish Cups, 1 Scottish League Cup, the Cup Winners Cup and the European Super Cup  :o :-X
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 08, 2018, 10:05:10 AM
Sheff Utd pointless; some wanted wilder here. Not once have I seen people call for
Him to be sacked. One of the pre season favs. And it's actually his squad
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2018, 10:05:55 AM
hes got all the time in the world. just pass the ball to feet a bit more Darren, theres a good chap
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 08, 2018, 10:15:03 AM
"Droitchwitch" says it all. Has anyone actually been? They look down on normal people as peasents.

I actually can't believe people are actually calling him to go. It's 2 games and are currently in a switch over period. I think some fans really want him to fail and for us to get relegated so they can say told you so ....

Had my fill of that with us keeping Pulis on and it ending exactly as I predicted it would.

I believe everyone is of the same mind when it comes to Darren, that we are longing for it to be a success as we all love the bloke, but we can see already that he just is not up to the job. I was openly vehement at the time in not wanting him to be appointed and was in the minority at that point, but I have seen nothing thus far to dispel all the doubts I had about him in the job, he can't even get the name of the opponents ground correct.

If we started the season playing an attractive and effective brand of football I would be turning round my opinions, but the facts are that we are not and he is not addressing the problems that are patently obvious for all to see and ultimately it is his job to do that.

Sadly even if he were to go, I do not think Dean Smith would come here now so we end up in a position just like we did last season whereby we are scrambling round in the dark for a new manager because yet again the decisions made by those paid infinitely more than I am were so badly wrong.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on August 08, 2018, 10:33:42 AM
We are in a changeover period, the team that started yesterday wont be the one that starts in 2/3 weeks time.

We looked a different prospect when Gayle came on, higher up the pitch, more players in and around the box, Barnes drifting in, Phillips causing problems. I also seemed to note that Jones took more of a front foot in the technical area during that period.

The first half (apart from the first 5 minutes) we had no idea of the formation/set up or what we were meant to be doing. We rode our luck at times but that's football.

I'll reserve judgement until I see what business happens with incoming/outgoings today and tomorrow.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 08, 2018, 10:42:29 AM
But how can you want someone out after 2 games ?

It's not FIFA or football manager. We have our future at stake. Who the **** would want to come here after we sacked Moore after a couple of games
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 08, 2018, 10:54:16 AM
But how can you want someone out after 2 games ?

It's not FIFA or football manager. We have our future at stake. Who the **** would want to come here after we sacked Moore after a couple of games

I don't think anyone is truly calling for his head right now, I am just assuming a great number of people are just wishing we hadn't made the mistake in the first place. It was obvious that this is what would happen. All we can hope now is that the influence of Jones becomes more and more to the point whereby Darren's role becomes more limited and, combine that with the fact our squad is amongst the best in the league, results and performances naturally start to improve.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albion79 on August 08, 2018, 10:57:14 AM
Personally i dont want him sacked, think would be madness!

I think everyone wants Big Dave to succeed, and as others have said its still very early, i think around the 8-10-12 game mark is when we will get a good idea of how things are shaping up.

That said its normal after matches for us all to reflect and from what i have seen so far, i am far from impressed.

I know people say it will take a long time to change and i agree to an extent but i wonder what has been done in preseason because the last two games have been textbook performances from the last 18 months, with the exception of 5 minutes at the end last night.

I thought last night it was the players maybe being a bit cowardly by being so negative (and i think it was partly that) but when Big Dave said after we set out to stifle i didnt think that was a great sign.

Forest were decent, a lot better than us last night but they are nothing special, we have far superior players on paper to most teams in this league (yes that dreaded word 'on paper') and i would hope we will be taking the game to teams, at tempo, and stamping our superiority.

Thats not arrogance, our squad on paper (again!) should not have got relegated last season, however we setup most games not to lose for the last few seasons and by February 2017 the malaise had set in, the players are to blame but also our approach of being so cautious and negative eventually had its day.

We now have the chance to reverse that, i am hoping last nights approach was to just get points on the board and then from saturday we start playing like we did the last 5 minutes when we played higher up the pitch, added more tempo and started looking like the team we could be.

Worth noting too that Jones has probably only had three sessions with the team, i would imagine as an experienced assistant he will be saying to Big Dave we need to get on the front foot and raise the tempo from the off, if we do with attacking players like - Gayle, Barnes, Morrison, Phillips, Burke, Jrod (possibly) plus maybe one or two others to come in, most teams wont live with us, but we have to be positive, the last few seasons negative stuff has gone, this is a fresh start and Big Dave and the players should be embracing it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggiejohn on August 08, 2018, 10:58:46 AM
Had my fill of that with us keeping Pulis on and it ending exactly as I predicted it would.

I believe everyone is of the same mind when it comes to Darren, that we are longing for it to be a success as we all love the bloke, but we can see already that he just is not up to the job. I was openly vehement at the time in not wanting him to be appointed and was in the minority at that point, but I have seen nothing thus far to dispel all the doubts I had about him in the job, he can't even get the name of the opponents ground correct.

If we started the season playing an attractive and effective brand of football I would be turning round my opinions, but the facts are that we are not and he is not addressing the problems that are patently obvious for all to see and ultimately it is his job to do that.

Sadly even if he were to go, I do not think Dean Smith would come here now so we end up in a position just like we did last season whereby we are scrambling round in the dark for a new manager because yet again the decisions made by those paid infinitely more than I am were so badly wrong.

You seem to be dismissing the impact that Graeme Jones will have.

GJ has been here for less than a week, I believe he will have a massive impact on how we play going forward.

When we went a goal behind last night, he seemed to take the game by the scruff of the neck & I'm pretty sure it was his decision to bring Gayle on.

I'm not convinced Darren Moore, on his own, will succeed, but with GJ's pedigree, I'm prepared to give the pair a chance.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mister AT on August 08, 2018, 11:02:17 AM
Just to play devils advocate aswell, although for large parts Forest were better on the ball than us, I can only recall the ambitious shot that Johnstone really had to save (other than routine stops).

Gayle should arguably have scored.
Barnes should have scored.
The follow up from Barnes shot ( I believe it was JRod) probably should have scored.

We had better chances to win the game in my opinion.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on August 08, 2018, 11:19:02 AM
Just to play devils advocate aswell, although for large parts Forest were better on the ball than us, I can only recall the ambitious shot that Johnstone really had to save (other than routine stops).

Gayle should arguably have scored.
Barnes should have scored.
The follow up from Barnes shot ( I believe it was JRod) probably should have scored.

We had better chances to win the game in my opinion.
We did indeed but they had a few good openings that they stuffed up to be honest and allowed our defence to regroup.
If we can replace both fullbacks, drop Brunt and Livermore (or, at worst, at least one of them) I think between them Jones and Moore will get us creating chances and with Phillips, Barnes and Gayle up top we will start winning games. 
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Wigmore on August 08, 2018, 11:28:38 AM
I believe everyone is of the same mind when it comes to Darren, that we are longing for it to be a success as we all love the bloke, but we can see already that he just is not up to the job. I was openly vehement at the time in not wanting him to be appointed and was in the minority at that point, but I have seen nothing thus far to dispel all the doubts I had about him in the job, he can't even get the name of the opponents ground correct.

If we started the season playing an attractive and effective brand of football I would be turning round my opinions, but the facts are that we are not and he is not addressing the problems that are patently obvious for all to see and ultimately it is his job to do that.
Oh dear. If you really think that getting the opposition ground name wrong is some sort of capital offence, can I refer you to another Albion legend, who whilst a very successful manager, didn't get his own player's names right -BR.
After 180 minutes you appear to have written DM off as a failure. I think you need to develop a more sensible sense of proportion and timescale.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tylerm on August 08, 2018, 11:52:33 AM
Personally i dont want him sacked, think would be madness!

I think everyone wants Big Dave to succeed, and as others have said its still very early, i think around the 8-10-12 game mark is when we will get a good idea of how things are shaping up.

That said its normal after matches for us all to reflect and from what i have seen so far, i am far from impressed.

I know people say it will take a long time to change and i agree to an extent but i wonder what has been done in preseason because the last two games have been textbook performances from the last 18 months, with the exception of 5 minutes at the end last night.

I thought last night it was the players maybe being a bit cowardly by being so negative (and i think it was partly that) but when Big Dave said after we set out to stifle i didnt think that was a great sign.

Forest were decent, a lot better than us last night but they are nothing special, we have far superior players on paper to most teams in this league (yes that dreaded word 'on paper') and i would hope we will be taking the game to teams, at tempo, and stamping our superiority.

Thats not arrogance, our squad on paper (again!) should not have got relegated last season, however we setup most games not to lose for the last few seasons and by February 2017 the malaise had set in, the players are to blame but also our approach of being so cautious and negative eventually had its day.

We now have the chance to reverse that, i am hoping last nights approach was to just get points on the board and then from saturday we start playing like we did the last 5 minutes when we played higher up the pitch, added more tempo and started looking like the team we could be.

Worth noting too that Jones has probably only had three sessions with the team, i would imagine as an experienced assistant he will be saying to Big Dave we need to get on the front foot and raise the tempo from the off, if we do with attacking players like - Gayle, Barnes, Morrison, Phillips, Burke, Jrod (possibly) plus maybe one or two others to come in, most teams wont live with us, but we have to be positive, the last few seasons negative stuff has gone, this is a fresh start and Big Dave and the players should be embracing it.

My thoughts too
The last 6 games of last season we reverted back to a TP style of play and Darren said that this was the system that the players were comfortable with. It worked well, but that containing style always worked well against the better sides. It was a style that was useless to break sides down. My worry when he was appointed was that he would continue with this style of play. However our mentality this year has to be to win games and not solely to stifle other teams.
So far all I have seen is a continuation of the TP style and we will go nowhere with this approach. Brunt is aweful as a central midfielder and both him and Livermore sitting just infront of the back four wont get us promoted. Darren needs to change quickly and adopt an approach to take games to other teams. If not I stand by my prediction that he wont be here in October.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 08, 2018, 12:10:39 PM
Oh dear. If you really think that getting the opposition ground name wrong is some sort of capital offence, can I refer you to another Albion legend, who whilst a very successful manager, didn't get his own player's names right -BR.
After 180 minutes you appear to have written DM off as a failure. I think you need to develop a more sensible sense of proportion and timescale.

It was just another thing that epitomised the issue that we have with him, which is on top of the numerous weeks of cliches that he has spouted without giving any form of insight.

Time will tell ultimately, but we have been given nothing from him thus far that lends itself to demonstrating that he has the tactical acumen to be in such a huge job in football. I am praying that things start to improve with Jones in place and that we get better on the pitch in spite of Darren's limitations.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on August 08, 2018, 12:20:27 PM
It was just another thing that epitomised the issue that we have with him, which is on top of the numerous weeks of cliches that he has spouted without giving any form of insight.

Time will tell ultimately, but we have been given nothing from him thus far that lends itself to demonstrating that he has the tactical acumen to be in such a huge job in football. I am praying that things start to improve with Jones in place and that we get better on the pitch in spite of Darren's limitations.

I'm not that bothered if DM isn't a tactical genius, IF he surrounds himself with people who are. I see DM as the motivator and manager and his coaching staff (GJ in particular) as the tactician. The guys haven't worked together for a week yet and people are getting upset (polite), for god sake lets get some perspective chaps.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 08, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
His post match comments are slightly concerning, saying that we executed our game plan and were unlucky in that we conceded a sucker punch goal...   Well if the game plan was to be completely outplayed and for our midfield to be dominated then it worked well and their goal was no sucker punch, they were well on top and worthy of their lead.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: MarkW on August 08, 2018, 12:29:24 PM
You seem to be dismissing the impact that Graeme Jones will have.

GJ has been here for less than a week, I believe he will have a massive impact on how we play going forward.

When we went a goal behind last night, he seemed to take the game by the scruff of the neck & I'm pretty sure it was his decision to bring Gayle on.

I'm not convinced Darren Moore, on his own, will succeed, but with GJ's pedigree, I'm prepared to give the pair a chance.

Gayle was recalled from his warm-up before Forest scored. It was GJ that recalled him, but that is a normal job for an assistant
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggies_24 on August 08, 2018, 12:54:07 PM
His post match comments are slightly concerning, saying that we executed our game plan and were unlucky in that we conceded a sucker punch goal...   Well if the game plan was to be completely outplayed and for our midfield to be dominated then it worked well and their goal was no sucker punch, they were well on top and worthy of their lead.

Another thing that alarmed me was when he said he changed the shape the last 15, everything seems to be a reaction rather than been on the front foot and making the opposition react to what we are doing, why was the shape not changed after 20 minutes when it was clear we were getting completely overrun in midfield.

The team put out last night financially & talent wise should better than the team Forest played yet it was men against boys for 82 minutes.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: crocodile007 on August 08, 2018, 01:36:51 PM
I honestly have never wanted a manager to succeed more in my life but sadly I think this will end in tears. I have no doubt that Darren has the passion but everything I have seen/heard from him sound and look like a guy thankful to be in this position and I think that gratefulness is paralysing him with fear. Fear to try something new (Pulis type tactics), fear to make early/more substitutions, fear to speak in anything other than tired cliches. I think he was so desperate to get off the mark last night that he forgot that on balance we should be able to beat Forrest.
I think i'll be in the minority here but even that email we all received that was largely praised by most gave me pause for concern. In my opinion it sounded like something a fan would write if given the chance to manage the club. It came across to me very much like "c'mon guys, I need all your help. I need everyone to be with me, we are in this together, thank you for having me" - I would much have preferred someone who was quietly confident in his own ability. I know people might disagree and don't get me wrong, nothing wrong with an email from the manager ahead of the new season but the content just sounded a bit desperate - almost like trying too hard to please if that makes sense?
My overriding feeling at the moment is that I love the bloke and love his passion but at the same time feel sorry for him and the fact that I feel sorry for him suggests to me that something isn't right. I just feel like a nice guy has been thrown into the deep end and, at present, is looking every bit the novice and at times even coming across a little foolish/simple?
I wouldn't want him sacked or anything like that but at the same time i would only give him the first 10 games and if we are not towards the top end of the table or without clear improvement I would make the change. No one person is worth sacrificing the long term future of the club. I hope i'm wrong.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 08, 2018, 01:45:25 PM
I don't think anyone is truly calling for his head right now, I am just assuming a great number of people are just wishing we hadn't made the mistake in the first place. It was obvious that this is what would happen. All we can hope now is that the influence of Jones becomes more and more to the point whereby Darren's role becomes more limited and, combine that with the fact our squad is amongst the best in the league, results and performances naturally start to improve.


Brilliant... So after the window closes and the squad is settled and we take our place at the top of the table it'll be in spite of Darren.


Priceless.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2018, 01:48:27 PM
Just to play devils advocate aswell, although for large parts Forest were better on the ball than us, I can only recall the ambitious shot that Johnstone really had to save (other than routine stops).
Forest had a number of clear chances, but they had no composure in front of goal and their finishing was abysmal.

To go back on topic, Darren's not a great orator, so his pre and post-match interviews aren't likely to be the best. What I do expect from him as a minimum is truthfulness about our performances though.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 08, 2018, 01:55:47 PM
Forest had a number of clear chances, but they had no composure in front of goal and their finishing was abysmal.

To go back on topic, Darren's not a great orator, so his pre and post-match interviews aren't likely to be the best. What I do expect from him as a minimum is truthfulness about our performances though.


Not to be rude but he sounds thick. Full of cliches. Nothing insightful, like he's reading from a script.

I'm not going to lie, I hope Graeme Jones takes a more leading role. I really fear for us if not.

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: j2burnz on August 08, 2018, 01:56:57 PM
I am frankly astonished at the treatment so far of Moore.

If a guy had swooped in last season from Italy named Guiseppie Le Vazzio to make the Big Dave did the masses would not be making the noises so many are making already.

He is a victim of being a relative novice and not being the most articulate speaker as much as anything.

Please think back to what he actually did last season when we were the laughing stock of the entire of English Football.

Its game 2 and we have a lot of turbulence around the playing squad yes, we got a bloodied nose against a side we should be taking care of at home.

We then go to a TOP side in the division and get outplayed for the most part but rally to the point we actually can count ourselves unlucky not to win. Very unlucky.

He clearly addressed some issues from the 1st game ( Nyom, HRK, Including ,Mozza - shape ) and showed hes not a stubborn so and so.

If a side and manager has ever needed time in my 25 years supporting the Albion it is this 1.

For the love of god, will the so called supporters already belly aching saying its all a big mistake appointing Moore give him the chance he so clearly deserves.

If we are well outside the top 6 at Christmas there will be a cause for concern but until then get behind your club and the manager that put the pride back into us.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ashdoy on August 08, 2018, 02:04:39 PM
Time will tell on Moore.

People have to remember just how bad this squad is. Pulis created it, Pardew crippled it, Moore is trying to revive it.

The lack of balance within the squad is shocking. To have 5 first team central midfielders but none with any real creative spark (not one of them can dribble with the ball in the mould of a Koumas or Dorrans). Not one of them is a true box to box in the mould of a Mulumbu. Not one of them is a Yacob style enforcer. Normally from 5 midfielders you'd have 2 or 3 who fit within our current crops attributes, but the others would/should be a specific enforcer/playmaker.

Our full backs arent good enough. Again, none of them have a clear style of play. None of them provide any kind of brilliant distribution, none have blistering pace for an overlap.

The forwards (taking out Gayle), again, what are they actually good at? What are their styles of play?

We have no target man, we have no on the shoulder CF who can burn away a defence. We have no Kevin Phillips style poacher.

All we have are a couple of decent wingers, but if we know this, then you can bet the world the opposition do. Stop our wingers, you stop Albion.

Teams will allow Brunt, Barry, Livermore, Field and Morrison all the time in the world to play sidways passes as none of them will travel forward and score a worldie like Koumas or Dorrans could. Because of this we are limited. Our wingers are marked, the full backs dont want the ball which forces us long onto forwards who arent target men or cant run in behind.

The end result is the appaling displays we have seen.

But this is not Moore to blame; its 3 or 4 succesive windows without improving the balance of the squad or looking towards a real future. Not one player has been brought into the club who we can fully build the team around.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: seteefeet on August 08, 2018, 02:07:41 PM
He wanted, and therefore waited for, Jones right from the off and there has to be a reason for that. I think DM knows his limitations but also knows that Jones strengths counter his own weaknesses.
Moore proved last season that he can organise and galvanise, not just the team, but the club, so he obviously has mettle, what he does lack though is tactical awareness and that vision to change and adapt. Hopefully this will prove to be Jones' area of expertise. If it does they could be a force to be reckoned with but it may take time.
I for one am willing to be patient and give the partnership chance to grow and flourish.
As for the press stuff, it is a bit cringey, but it's something that's relatively new to him and that he will also grow into.
At the minute, what happens on the pitch is all important and that needs to improve sharpish, starting with the end of the Brunt as CM experiment. Come on Darren, it doesn't work, find an alternative and move on!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 08, 2018, 02:16:06 PM
I'm with j2burnz.  I can't believe how many only/spoilt kids there are posting on here.  People expecting the finished product for the first game of the season, while the transfer window is a massive distraction.  Moore is doing (and has been doing) much more than his own job.  Jones' arrival will definitely help with the coaching, but no DoF must mean he is spending a lot of time on transfers that wouldn't be necessary in normal circumstances.

We are in transition both in trems of style of play and personnel.  We have to be patient.

There are many, completely reasonable criticisms about how we've played and the use of substitutions too.  The centre of midfield is a big concern for me - but there aren't that many options today.  If he'd have picked Barry and Harper then we'd have the same problem.  In fact the only part of the squad that I'm fully satisfied with is the wide players. 

The club have selected Darren Moore and we must give him a chance to get things right and succeed, not say he needs to go after two games.  That is completely ridiculous.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 08, 2018, 02:20:53 PM

Brilliant... So after the window closes and the squad is settled and we take our place at the top of the table it'll be in spite of Darren.


Priceless.

I'm sure the true catalyst will be your man, Brunty  ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 08, 2018, 02:32:45 PM
Lets be brutally honest here. Darren Moore got the job because results up turned at the end of the season and because certain people like Kevin Campbell came out and basically called the club racist if we didn't appoint him. The owners caved in, didn't have the bottle to stand up and say no.

Now everyone can be up in arms and throw insults about and all the rest but that is the bottom line.

Is this off topic? No not really because this is a massive period for Albion. Dean Smith or Graham Potter should've been given the gig. Instead we have a manager with NO experience whatsoever who basically got results by defending deep and riding his luck and snatching the odd set piece vs Man United, Liverpool and Spurs.

Totally different ball game this season and so far, predictably, Darren doesn't look as though he knows what he's doing.

I hope he proves me wrong (obviously because it's all the better for Albion) but I find him unintelligent, cliched (as learned) and totally noneffective.

Go on Big Dave prove me wrong ........... please!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: johnny Cash on August 08, 2018, 02:47:47 PM
Lets be brutally honest here. Darren Moore got the job because results up turned at the end of the season and because certain people like Kevin Campbell came out and basically called the club racist if we didn't appoint him. The owners caved in, didn't have the bottle to stand up and say no.

Now everyone can be up in arms and throw insults about and all the rest but that is the bottom line.

Is this off topic? No not really because this is a massive period for Albion. Dean Smith or Graham Potter should've been given the gig. Instead we have a manager with NO experience whatsoever who basically got results by defending deep and riding his luck and snatching the odd set piece vs Man United, Liverpool and Spurs.

Totally different ball game this season and so far, predictably, Darren doesn't look as though he knows what he's doing.

I hope he proves me wrong (obviously because it's all the better for Albion) but I find him unintelligent, cliched (as learned) and totally noneffective.

Go on Big Dave prove me wrong ........... please!

Pretty much my thoughts. I said months ago I didn't think Darren Moore was a manager. I've also really wanted to avoid calling him unintelligent because he is such a nice and genuine bloke but I do agree.

We need people like him within the club, so it is also shame if or when it is eventually over we will lose his personality and character from the Albion. He definitely had roles at the club he could have been great in, but I don't think it was/ is as a head coach.

Like you implied Atomic, I would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 08, 2018, 02:52:41 PM
Pretty much my thoughts. I said months ago I didn't think Darren Moore was a manager. I've also really wanted to avoid calling him unintelligent because he is such a nice and genuine bloke but I do agree.

We need people like him within the club, so it is also shame if or when it is eventually over we will lose his personality and character from the Albion. He definitely had roles at the club he could have been great in, but I don't think it was/ is as a head coach.

Like you implied Atomic, I would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
Totally agree with that. Absolutely love the bloke but he's in the wrong role.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on August 08, 2018, 03:58:21 PM
People saying with our team we should be seeing off forest easily. Is our team that good? Comments that we have a proven premier league squad are a myth to my mind.
Gibbs, Livermore, Phillips, Rodriguez the only “proven” premier league players. Brunt and Morrison (past their best).
Dawson and Chadli would make a huge difference but haven’t been available.
Hegazi not good enough for prem not sure if he is a good championship player yet.
Johnston and Bartley too early to say for Albion but good reputations.
Barnes looks great but a young loan player who Leicester were happy to loan out.
Tosin young and raw.

Then bench of Myhill, Barry, Harper, HRK, Burke, Townsend, Gayle (quality champ player).
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on August 08, 2018, 04:08:55 PM
Time will tell on Moore.

People have to remember just how bad this squad is. Pulis created it, Pardew crippled it, Moore is trying to revive it.

The lack of balance within the squad is shocking. To have 5 first team central midfielders but none with any real creative spark (not one of them can dribble with the ball in the mould of a Koumas or Dorrans). Not one of them is a true box to box in the mould of a Mulumbu. Not one of them is a Yacob style enforcer. Normally from 5 midfielders you'd have 2 or 3 who fit within our current crops attributes, but the others would/should be a specific enforcer/playmaker.

Our full backs arent good enough. Again, none of them have a clear style of play. None of them provide any kind of brilliant distribution, none have blistering pace for an overlap.

The forwards (taking out Gayle), again, what are they actually good at? What are their styles of play?

We have no target man, we have no on the shoulder CF who can burn away a defence. We have no Kevin Phillips style poacher.

All we have are a couple of decent wingers, but if we know this, then you can bet the world the opposition do. Stop our wingers, you stop Albion.

Teams will allow Brunt, Barry, Livermore, Field and Morrison all the time in the world to play sidways passes as none of them will travel forward and score a worldie like Koumas or Dorrans could. Because of this we are limited. Our wingers are marked, the full backs dont want the ball which forces us long onto forwards who arent target men or cant run in behind.

The end result is the appaling displays we have seen.

But this is not Moore to blame; its 3 or 4 succesive windows without improving the balance of the squad or looking towards a real future. Not one player has been brought into the club who we can fully build the team around.

That is spot on, I'll buy you a pint for that post, we need to back the Manager not jump on his back from the off!
Never thought Albion fans could react this poorly.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: shortybaggies on August 08, 2018, 04:21:07 PM
Oh dear. If you really think that getting the opposition ground name wrong is some sort of capital offence, can I refer you to another Albion legend, who whilst a very successful manager, didn't get his own player's names right -BR.
After 180 minutes you appear to have written DM off as a failure. I think you need to develop a more sensible sense of proportion and timescale.

I heard it call it the City Ground and that's what it's called isn't it?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 08, 2018, 04:24:15 PM

Not to be rude but he sounds thick. Full of cliches. Nothing insightful, like he's reading from a script.

I'm not going to lie, I hope Graeme Jones takes a more leading role. I really fear for us if not.
This is the crux of it. Ever since he was appointed it's just been standard football clichés with no real insight.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 08, 2018, 04:28:04 PM
Also, the fact our priority is now to sign a right back, rather than a central midfielder, adds further evidence to the fact that he's not the right man for the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 08, 2018, 04:30:47 PM
Also, the fact our priority is now to sign a right back, rather than a central midfielder, adds further evidence to the fact that he's not the right man for the job.

Would you still have this view if Moore knows that Chadli is staying?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 08, 2018, 04:34:40 PM
Would you still have this view if Moore knows that Chadli is staying?
I think we need a deep lying playmaker (a bit like   Ryan Woods) and a box-to-box or ball-winning central midfielder (a bit like Mulumbu was for us), neither of which Chadli is - so yes.

Livermore, Brunt and Barry are clearly not up to the job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2018, 04:36:58 PM
Would you still have this view if Moore knows that Chadli is staying?

Would Chadli have bossed the game last night like Guedioura did last night? No he wouldn't. This is the kind of midfielder we need. Brunt has been way past his best for a few years now and Livermore is just awful.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: miggybaggy on August 08, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
Time will tell on Moore.

People have to remember just how bad this squad is. Pulis created it, Pardew crippled it, Moore is trying to revive it.

The lack of balance within the squad is shocking. To have 5 first team central midfielders but none with any real creative spark (not one of them can dribble with the ball in the mould of a Koumas or Dorrans). Not one of them is a true box to box in the mould of a Mulumbu. Not one of them is a Yacob style enforcer. Normally from 5 midfielders you'd have 2 or 3 who fit within our current crops attributes, but the others would/should be a specific enforcer/playmaker.

Our full backs arent good enough. Again, none of them have a clear style of play. None of them provide any kind of brilliant distribution, none have blistering pace for an overlap.

The forwards (taking out Gayle), again, what are they actually good at? What are their styles of play?

We have no target man, we have no on the shoulder CF who can burn away a defence. We have no Kevin Phillips style poacher.

All we have are a couple of decent wingers, but if we know this, then you can bet the world the opposition do. Stop our wingers, you stop Albion.

Teams will allow Brunt, Barry, Livermore, Field and Morrison all the time in the world to play sidways passes as none of them will travel forward and score a worldie like Koumas or Dorrans could. Because of this we are limited. Our wingers are marked, the full backs dont want the ball which forces us long onto forwards who arent target men or cant run in behind.

The end result is the appaling displays we have seen.

But this is not Moore to blame; its 3 or 4 succesive windows without improving the balance of the squad or looking towards a real future. Not one player has been brought into the club who we can fully build the team around.

Best post I've seen on here for a long time.

I'm not at all confident our board has a clue about even the basics of a football team whatsoever. Too may businessmen and 'suits' involved in the game nowadays due to insane amounts of cash available.

Putting the blame solely at the feet of Darren Moore is just downright unfair.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 08, 2018, 04:49:06 PM
Time will tell on Moore.

People have to remember just how bad this squad is. Pulis created it, Pardew crippled it, Moore is trying to revive it.

The lack of balance within the squad is shocking. To have 5 first team central midfielders but none with any real creative spark (not one of them can dribble with the ball in the mould of a Koumas or Dorrans). Not one of them is a true box to box in the mould of a Mulumbu. Not one of them is a Yacob style enforcer. Normally from 5 midfielders you'd have 2 or 3 who fit within our current crops attributes, but the others would/should be a specific enforcer/playmaker.

Our full backs arent good enough. Again, none of them have a clear style of play. None of them provide any kind of brilliant distribution, none have blistering pace for an overlap.

The forwards (taking out Gayle), again, what are they actually good at? What are their styles of play?

We have no target man, we have no on the shoulder CF who can burn away a defence. We have no Kevin Phillips style poacher.

All we have are a couple of decent wingers, but if we know this, then you can bet the world the opposition do. Stop our wingers, you stop Albion.

Teams will allow Brunt, Barry, Livermore, Field and Morrison all the time in the world to play sidways passes as none of them will travel forward and score a worldie like Koumas or Dorrans could. Because of this we are limited. Our wingers are marked, the full backs dont want the ball which forces us long onto forwards who arent target men or cant run in behind.

The end result is the appaling displays we have seen.

But this is not Moore to blame; its 3 or 4 succesive windows without improving the balance of the squad or looking towards a real future. Not one player has been brought into the club who we can fully build the team around.

Agreed - the knee jerk reactions are embarrassing.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on August 08, 2018, 04:49:17 PM
Also, the fact our priority is now to sign a right back, rather than a central midfielder, adds further evidence to the fact that he's not the right man for the job.

But we do need a right back and a couple of midfielders. When was the last time we had a good / proper right back? Pulis played Dawson (CB) there and Nyom isn’t good enough (Pulis played him at left back) before that we had Gamboa (from what I can remember).
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kie the baggie on August 08, 2018, 05:08:59 PM
Agreed - the knee jerk reactions are embarrassing.
Not knee jerk mate, in my opinion that performance yesterday I felt embarrassed, no link between defence and midfield. No link between right back and right mid. No link between midfield and strikers same on the left side. Defence all over the place. Aimless balls hit long to an isolated JRod. Couldnt string 2 passes together, then looking over to Darren Moore, he just looked confused and way out of his depth. I love Darren Moore he was one of my all time favourite players, but I have no confidence that he can put a team together with some sort of identity, and philosophy. I really hope he proves me wrong as I would love for him to succeed but just cant see it. Look at the managers in this division now. They are experienced, have game plans. Tactical awareness. I do not feel this is an over reaction. I would love for someone to explain to me what our style, philosophy or identity is going to be, I dont think even the players do
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2018, 05:15:23 PM
Not knee jerk mate, in my opinion that performance yesterday I felt embarrassed, no link between defence and midfield. No link between right back and right mid. No link between midfield and strikers same on the left side. Defence all over the place. Aimless balls hit long to an isolated JRod. Couldnt string 2 passes together, then looking over to Darren Moore, he just looked confused and way out of his depth. I love Darren Moore he was one of my all time favorite players, but I have no confidence that he can put a tram together with some sort of identity, and philosophy. I really hope he proves me wrong as I would love for him to succeed but just cant see it. Look at the managers in this division now. They are experienced, have game plans. Tactical awareness. I do not feel this is an over reaction. I would love for someone to explain to me what our style, philosophy or identity is going to be, I dont think even the players do

I think there's some good points there. Its not knee jerk to criticise and be concerned about things. We've just had pre-season with the majority of this squad taking part and so we should have some idea of what we're trying to achieve. Other than the static twosome in midfield which seem to be a permanent fixture the rest is hard to see.

I don't want to criticise Moore too much but he has to be culpable for some things that are not going right, he's not totally new to this, he had games at the end of last season with no pressure on him and got the job based on it, if its true he wanted to keep the majority of the squad that were gutless, poor and got us relegated then that has to be a concern. Was it the right man for the job or the cheap option ?

Yes, its early days and hopefully Jones coming in will help and make him see things that are not working, if these same issues are there in a few games times then serious questions needed to be asked about not just Moore but those above him as well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 08, 2018, 05:30:35 PM
I think there's some good points there. Its not knee jerk to criticise and be concerned about things. We've just had pre-season with the majority of this squad taking part and so we should have some idea of what we're trying to achieve. Other than the static twosome in midfield which seem to be a permanent fixture the rest is hard to see.

I don't want to criticise Moore too much but he has to be culpable for some things that are not going right, he's not totally new to this, he had games at the end of last season with no pressure on him and got the job based on it, if its true he wanted to keep the majority of the squad that were gutless, poor and got us relegated then that has to be a concern. Was it the right man for the job or the cheap option ?

Yes, its early days and hopefully Jones coming in will help and make him see things that are not working, if these same issues are there in a few games times then serious questions needed to be asked about not just Moore but those above him as well.

My point is that we have employed a young manager with no experience - and a good chunk of our fans were in support of this. Therefore its absolutely right that we stand by him as he finds his feet. I absolutely recognise some of the criticisms from the first two games but we appointed him knowing he is inexperienced and so we 100% have to support him.

To me this was always going to be the case so for people to start talking about sacking him is inexcusable in my opinion.

I also think there are many posters here who have either forgotten or never experienced the Championship. Most of my time supporting Albion has been in the Championship, and its one hell of a league. Three points is never a given and there are some talented managers in this league.

We must stick by him and be vocal in our support- I genuinely think that in a few matches time, with a settled squad and Jones by his side, we will start to see our identity.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 08, 2018, 05:30:39 PM
But we do need a right back and a couple of midfielders. When was the last time we had a good / proper right back? Pulis played Dawson (CB) there and Nyom isn’t good enough (Pulis played him at left back) before that we had Gamboa (from what I can remember).
Agreed - but we're much more desperate for central midfielders than a right back - that's what caused Forest to dominate the game, and why we failed to break down Bolton.

A failure to control midfield is a fundamental problem that will ultimately prevent us from winning enough games to mount a promotion challenge if unaddressed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: vrabbit on August 08, 2018, 05:34:25 PM
too many Pulis fingerprints still all over the roster, which may not necessarily be DM's fault, but some Pulis-like decisions are definitely a red flag. Dawson at RB is one thing, but 6'5" Adarabioyo at RB is the kind of square-peg-in-a-round-hole decision that comes straight from the Pulis book. Add to that the team's inability to find an identity going forward (and even worse, not having as strong of an identity defensively) and Big Dave definitely needs to come up with some changes SOON
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2018, 05:36:19 PM
My point is that we have employed a young manager with no experience - and a good chunk of our fans were in support of this. Therefore its absolutely right that we stand by him as he finds his feet. I absolutely recognise some of the criticisms from the first two days but we appointed him knowing he is inexperienced and so we 100% have to support him.

To me this was always going to be the case so for people to start talking about sacking him is inexcusable in my opinion.

I also think there are many posters here who have either forgotten or never experienced the Championship. Most of my time supporting Albion has been in the Championship, and its one hell of a league. Three points is never a given and there are some talented managers in this league.

We must stick by him and be vocal in our support- I genuinely think that in a few matches time, with a settled squad and Jones by his side, we will start to see our identity.

I don't join the sack him brigade but inexperienced or not he has to learn quickly, its not a game for sentiment anymore. If this was as someone said an Italian coach named whatever people would also be questioning things, we've got some experienced players in this squad who last season got us relegated and instead of a kick up the back side it seems to drifting back toward a bit of a comfortable place again when no-one should be guaranteed a shirt, not one of them.

I remember the Championship and to be honest its changed a lot since we were last there, more competitive and these players and coaching staff have to get to grips with it asap.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 08, 2018, 05:48:23 PM
I don't join the sack him brigade but inexperienced or not he has to learn quickly, its not a game for sentiment anymore. If this was as someone said an Italian coach named whatever people would also be questioning things, we've got some experienced players in this squad who last season got us relegated and instead of a kick up the back side it seems to drifting back toward a bit of a comfortable place again when no-one should be guaranteed a shirt, not one of them.

I remember the Championship and to be honest its changed a lot since we were last there, more competitive and these players and coaching staff have to get to grips with it asap.

Yep - fair enough. I guess my view is that he needs to pick teams, try formations etc so he can see what works and what doesn't together with Jones.Lets not forget that he's inherited a squad from Pulis where creativity and movement was actively discouraged for organisation and power, and as a result we have a midfield choc full of heavily paid and experienced defensive midfielders.

Looking at the last 6 games last season - it seemed to me that bringing Brunt into midfield worked. Looking at this season it looks like it doesn't work so well. Its what Moore does about it that's important and we need to give him time to make those decisions - we've only played two games.

Its why I'll be really interested to see how the team settles down over the next few matches once the window has closed. A combative and energetic midfielder could really change our starting eleven.

However if in 4 or 5 games we have the same static midfield and the ball in the air more than in the ground then I will join everyone and have a right old panic - but in the meantime I think its important that this forum doesn't boil itself up into a frenzy.

I'm still far prouder of what we are trying to than i have been at any point probably since Hodgson left.

For the record a midfield of Woods, Chadli, that Turkish fella, with Phillips and Barnes on the wings would do me a treat.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Paulsammax on August 08, 2018, 06:20:24 PM
I think we need to put things into some perspective here. Darren Moore inherited a squad of players that on paper looked fine but at least a season of pretty incompetent management from Pulis and especially Pardew can't be turned around overnight.
So we got relegated. Players obviously would rather move to clubs who can match their pre relegation wages (why wouldn't they?). Therefore there is still a fair bit of uncertainty around who is staying and who is leaving. Moore sensibly is being cautious with these players as they are unlikely to give their all and risk an injury calling a halt to their chances of a transfer.  Where players have left then he has signed strong replacements but they need time to play as a team.
People are moaning about loan signings. For me it makes sense. As a club we don't want to commit to buying a player who might not cut it in the premier league and therefore is a liability should we get promoted. Similarly players like Barnes would never come to us on a permanent basis in a month of Sunday's whilst we are in the championship. But if we get promoted then of course things may change.
I keep hearing that we should play the kids. When the team is as it is, it is absolutely the wrong time to bring them in. If the crowd get on their backs they are not experienced enough to deal with it. And let's face it even the best players did not walk into a team and become the finished article (remember Christian Ronaldo at the Hawthorns in the league cup?). I recall Scott Darton. When he was picked people were saying great - giving he kids a chance. He had a couple of mares in a struggling team and the fans made him the scapegoat and pretty much destroyed his career.
Finally if we expect to go to Forest who are potentially doing a dingles and expect to play them off the park then that level of arrogance belongs at Villa Park.
Rant over!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2018, 06:26:55 PM
I think we need to put things into some perspective here. Darren Moore inherited a squad of players that on paper looked fine but at least a season of pretty incompetent management from Pulis and especially Pardew can't be turned around overnight.
So we got relegated. Players obviously would rather move to clubs who can match their pre relegation wages (why wouldn't they?). Therefore there is still a fair bit of uncertainty around who is staying and who is leaving. Moore sensibly is being cautious with these players as they are unlikely to give their all and risk an injury calling a halt to their chances of a transfer.  Where players have left then he has signed strong replacements but they need time to play as a team.
People are moaning about loan signings. For me it makes sense. As a club we don't want to commit to buying a player who might not cut it in the premier league and therefore is a liability should we get promoted. Similarly players like Barnes would never come to us on a permanent basis in a month of Sunday's whilst we are in the championship. But if we get promoted then of course things may change.
I keep hearing that we should play the kids. When the team is as it is, it is absolutely the wrong time to bring them in. If the crowd get on their backs they are not experienced enough to deal with it. And let's face it even the best players did not walk into a team and become the finished article (remember Christian Ronaldo at the Hawthorns in the league cup?). I recall Scott Darton. When he was picked people were saying great - giving he kids a chance. He had a couple of mares in a struggling team and the fans made him the scapegoat and pretty much destroyed his career.
Finally if we expect to go to Forest who are potentially doing a dingles and expect to play them off the park then that level of arrogance belongs at Villa Park.
Rant over!

It wasn't a rant so much as a well balanced post.

Must try harder  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 08, 2018, 06:40:32 PM
I think we need to put things into some perspective here. Darren Moore inherited a squad of players that on paper looked fine but at least a season of pretty incompetent management from Pulis and especially Pardew can't be turned around overnight.
So we got relegated. Players obviously would rather move to clubs who can match their pre relegation wages (why wouldn't they?). Therefore there is still a fair bit of uncertainty around who is staying and who is leaving. Moore sensibly is being cautious with these players as they are unlikely to give their all and risk an injury calling a halt to their chances of a transfer.  Where players have left then he has signed strong replacements but they need time to play as a team.
People are moaning about loan signings. For me it makes sense. As a club we don't want to commit to buying a player who might not cut it in the premier league and therefore is a liability should we get promoted. Similarly players like Barnes would never come to us on a permanent basis in a month of Sunday's whilst we are in the championship. But if we get promoted then of course things may change.
I keep hearing that we should play the kids. When the team is as it is, it is absolutely the wrong time to bring them in. If the crowd get on their backs they are not experienced enough to deal with it. And let's face it even the best players did not walk into a team and become the finished article (remember Christian Ronaldo at the Hawthorns in the league cup?). I recall Scott Darton. When he was picked people were saying great - giving he kids a chance. He had a couple of mares in a struggling team and the fans made him the scapegoat and pretty much destroyed his career.
Finally if we expect to go to Forest who are potentially doing a dingles and expect to play them off the park then that level of arrogance belongs at Villa Park.
Rant over!

Far to much sense in this post for these parts!
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: westbrom3wolves0 on August 08, 2018, 06:59:02 PM
Best post I've seen on here for a long time.

I'm not at all confident our board has a clue about even the basics of a football team whatsoever. Too may businessmen and 'suits' involved in the game nowadays due to insane amounts of cash available.

Putting the blame solely at the feet of Darren Moore is just downright unfair.
Agreed, well articulated @miggybaggy. Couldn't agree any more, this is exactly the problem - our squad in midfield has lacked pace and any creative threat through the middle for years. It's something which is so frustrating to watch as a fan, as surely if the fans can see it ... can't the management who are paid the big bucks? I feel like we never truly replaced Jason Koumas and I'm rolling my eyes for saying it as this was a long time ago now, but I can't recall a player with the midfield engine, gears and creativity ... besides Graham Dorrans. It's pretty much 5 years since Dozza was a starter for the Albion and we are still with our slow, side to side, boring, predictable midfield.

The fact that the people that matter, seemingly cannot see this too or even more concerning, they see it but feel no need to address it is what will be our downfall for years to come. Just over 24 hours to sort it out Albion, please.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ashdoy on August 08, 2018, 07:21:04 PM
That is spot on, I'll buy you a pint for that post, we need to back the Manager not jump on his back from the off!
Never thought Albion fans could react this poorly.

I’ll take you on that offer mate 😂
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on August 08, 2018, 08:45:02 PM
Championship is a tough, competitive league - be organized and score goals and you’ll be there or there abouts though eg Cardiff last season . We were awful last night but got a draw - case in point. We can’t expect wonderful football after years of Pulis then Pardew to ice the sh1tty cake, however results improving wil breed confidence and a feel good factor which will give us momentum for a promotion push and perhaps more goals along the way. We’ve done it before........and Darren Moore knows......let’s get behind him, he needs us!


Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 09, 2018, 10:10:56 AM
Didn't Moore say (last week - before Rondon left) that he wanted a striker, midfielder and right back?

So, he's aware of the problems that poeple are moaning about on this thread.  Will the club back him?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2018, 10:41:24 AM
lets give the fella a chance, i cant see us fans ever booing or calling for his head anyway. we are in the championship for many years before we rise again. i am sure the football will improve come September and all the players have settled. good to see Darren applauding the supporters after games
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 09, 2018, 10:58:16 AM
lets give the fella a chance, i cant see us fans ever booing or calling for his head anyway. we are in the championship for many years before we rise again. i am sure the football will improve come September and all the players have settled. good to see Darren applauding the supporters after games
I hope we wouldn't do that, but then I never thought I'd see the day when our own fans would throw coins at the club captain.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 09, 2018, 11:04:40 AM
I hope we wouldn't do that, but then I never thought I'd see the day when our own fans would throw coins at the club captain.

I don't think you could refer to the people that did that as fans, they were just utter cretins. I was at Reading that day and I was as annoyed by anyone with the team and the manager because the performance was rank awful, but whoever it was that did that was subhuman, not an Albion fan.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on August 09, 2018, 11:07:09 AM
I hope we wouldn't do that, but then I never thought I'd see the day when our own fans would throw coins at the club captain.

One 'fan' threw one coin.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 09, 2018, 11:18:29 AM
I don't think you could refer to the people that did that as fans, they were just utter cretins. I was at Reading that day and I was as annoyed by anyone with the team and the manager because the performance was rank awful, but whoever it was that did that was subhuman, not an Albion fan.
I agree, but even if you ignore the coin throwing Brunt was getting way more abuse than was reasonable over that period I think (in my opinion).  Some of our younger 'fans' might not even have that much of a memory of Big Dave so, even though I would like to think we wouldn't get on his back, I'm not 100% convinced that would be the case.  We clearly shouldn't be getting rid of him and we need to give him time to bed in.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: The Joust on August 09, 2018, 11:24:19 AM
I hope we wouldn't do that, but then I never thought I'd see the day when our own fans would throw coins at the club captain.

It was 1 coin, thrown by 1 kid, probably inebriated up thinking he was a big man in his stone island knock off jumper.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2018, 11:28:07 AM
As fans we have a right to be critical of anyone at the club if we think they are making mistakes etc. It's how we go about it that is important.

If by Christmas we are in the bottom half still playing terrible football with hard to fathom team selections and tactics then I think I will be justified in criticising the management.

At the moment it is too early to be getting on Moore's back but some worrying warning signs are there.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 09, 2018, 11:29:17 AM
My point is, if a fan can do that, then getting on Big Dave's back is not exactly unthinkable. 

Quote from Brunt:
“Our supporters obviously think it’s okay to throw coins at their own players. It’s absolutely disgusting,” Northern Ireland international Brunt told BBC Sport. “I am ashamed of them today.  If people come to matches and think it is acceptable to throw coins at footballers or anyone else, it is disgusting."

Let's not forget he was coming over to give his shirt away and was copping a lot of abuse, not just coin throwing.  And that's the club captain.  I just don't see why anyone would think that there's no way the fans would get on Big Dave's back regardless of form.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 09, 2018, 11:33:33 AM
As fans we have a right to be critical of anyone at the club if we think they are making mistakes etc. It's how we go about it that is important.

If by Christmas we are in the bottom half still playing terrible football with hard to fathom team selections and tactics then I think I will be justified in criticising the management.

At the moment it is too early to be getting on Moore's back but some worrying warning signs are there.

I agree, he has to get until Christmas at least but I hope he starts using his substitutions a bit better.  It's an easy rod for his own back if we aren't getting results and he's not using thge squad.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 09, 2018, 11:39:20 AM
I agree, he has to get until Christmas at least but I hope he starts using his substitutions a bit better.  It's an easy rod for his own back if we aren't getting results and he's not using thge squad.

Better use of subs and less Pulis like tactics would be a good start.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2018, 12:23:29 PM
Chairman and board have let him down. Hope people see this and turn on board if things don't go well and not moore
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2018, 12:25:47 PM
Chairman and board have let him down. Hope people see this and turn on board if things don't go well and not moore


but if football continues to be bad as like at forest then Darren carries some responsibility
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 09, 2018, 12:26:09 PM
Chairman and board have let him down. Hope people see this and turn on board if things don't go well and not moore

To an extent I agree, but we have more than enough quality in this squad to be performing better than we have thus far and that is Darren's job.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 09, 2018, 12:28:03 PM
Chairman and board have let him down. Hope people see this and turn on board if things don't go well and not moore
He's let himself down - it was his choice to try to retain the core of players rather than go for a mass turnover of players, and he has decided what are priorities are - which he has failed to identify as our central midfield. You'll probably find he thinks we've had a good window, because he overrates the ability of many of our old guard.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2018, 12:29:19 PM
With players we have at the minute there's only one way of playing pumping balls over the top for Gayle to run onto
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 09, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
With players we have at the minute there's only one way of playing pumping balls over the top for Gayle to run onto

There really isn't...

We have some very good ball carriers at this level in Barnes, Phillips, Morrison, Barry etc, we should be playing through the thirds and carving teams apart with Gayle on the end of the chances created.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2018, 12:38:06 PM
There really isn't...

We have some very good ball carriers at this level in Barnes, Phillips, Morrison, Barry etc, we should be playing through the thirds and carving teams apart with Gayle on the end of the chances created.
well from what I've seen in two games so far that's all we're doing
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 09, 2018, 12:50:28 PM
well from what I've seen in two games so far that's all we're doing

Hence my frustrations with those selecting the side and tactics.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on August 09, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
well from what I've seen in two games so far that's all we're doing

Goal v Bolton - wide player cuts in from the right and scores a screamer.

Goal v Forest - decent passing move through the pitch finished off by a tremendous strike by a wide player.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 09, 2018, 01:05:23 PM
Goal v Bolton - wide player cuts in from the right and scores a screamer.

Goal v Forest - decent passing move through the pitch finished off by a tremendous strike by a wide player.


Also 3 po8nt blank headers from Set pieces missed.


2 simple headed chances within 8 yards of goal blazed over by stupid acrobatic volleys. One on one hits post. Open goal 12 yards out hits bar. Open goal rebound headed tamely back to keeper.


We are creating big clear goal scoring chances.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: telford baggie on August 09, 2018, 01:06:44 PM
Chairman and board have let him down. Hope people see this and turn on board if things don't go well and not moore
how do you know..Darren Moore may be happy with whats he got and only wants back up players as thats all we seem to be after, if Darren Moore fails theres only 1 person to blame and after 2 games hes not doing himself any favours
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: victor mature on August 09, 2018, 02:02:35 PM
 Middlesbrough seem to be after the sort of players I thought  we'd be after. Strange that Pulis's signings for Palace and Boro aren't as carp as the signings Albion made while he was here. Maybe they weren't his signings. Meanwhile this window is the worst since we signed HRK. ******** to them
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BaggieNick on August 09, 2018, 08:02:55 PM
Or perhaps they were his signings under the usual financial constraints we have all become accustomed to.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2018, 08:44:33 PM
Can't see us being under the constraints of FFP but can see us being under constraints of a billionaire owner ok a owner with sod all money.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Windmill Baggy on August 09, 2018, 09:04:44 PM
Or perhaps they were his signings under the usual financial constraints we have all become accustomed to.

I don't think it has a great deal to do with financial constraints. Middlesbrough signed Aden Flint for £7m, he's one of the best centre backs in this division, a notch if not two above Bartley. Dawson's been quoted as being worth £20m+ and he's good, but he's really not much better than Flint.

In this division however you can get away with playing some average players and still go up. Fulham were playing some ordinary players last year and had a threadbare squad. Odoi at centre-back is no better than Bartley and he played an important part in their promotion. For all the hype Sessegnon is not much better than Philips. They also lacked a goalscorer prior to signing Mitrovic in January, yet still finished third in the table. Cairney as their attacking midfielder is not in the same league as Chadli. Macdonald as their 'playmaker' is no better than Morrison.

It's the coaching that elevated Fulham, rather than their personnel. Their goalkeeper would always play a goal-kick to a defenders feet, even when the opposition put three forwards on the 18 yard line. Our players are hoofing it forward even when under no pressure in their own half. It's an archaic style of play that needs to be addressed.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Westie on August 09, 2018, 09:51:59 PM
Big Dave has been let down badly by Lai and so have we. The ownership of our club by Lai makes my blood boil. I take every opportunity to express my opinion of the man except on this board. Peace certainly saw him coming.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on August 10, 2018, 08:23:59 AM

Steven Gerrard has slammed West Brom manager Darren Moore

Talking in the Daily Record, Gerrard said: “James was magnificent. Good players get attention from other clubs. I don’t appreciate that attention 24 hours before a big game. I’d like a phone call off of big Darren [Moore] at some point.

But James handled it very well and that was probably his strongest performance so far".

I think it should be the other way round Steve
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on August 10, 2018, 08:27:47 AM
Gerrard has been a bitbof a knob already so far in his post game interviews. He came out with some guff last week about how Rangers had been discriminated against by referees for years and now this.

If he lasts in management, you can guarantee that he will do exactly the same at some point and he won't think twice.

Just a big mouth with a big club attitude.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on August 10, 2018, 08:52:38 AM
Gerrard has been a bitbof a knob already so far in his post game interviews. He came out with some guff last week about how Rangers had been discriminated against by referees for years and now this.

If he lasts in management, you can guarantee that he will do exactly the same at some point and he won't think twice.

Just a big mouth with a big club attitude.

He’s just another gobsh!te scouser with an overinflated opinion of himself. He needs to get over himself.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 10, 2018, 08:56:18 AM
I fail to see how that is Gerrard slamming Moore? Headlines become more and more embarrassing with every passing day.

It's Gerrard using it as an opportunity to have a dig generally, the only mention of Moore is in him hoping he gets a phone call from him, which is a nonsense in itself. We bid for a player on transfer deadline day, what does he expect in life?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SmethDan on August 10, 2018, 12:29:22 PM
I wouldn't have been too impressed to receive such a late bid if I were Gerrard and preparing for a game.

While I appreciate that targets come and go Albion had all summer to put the feelers out.

If we'd wanted Tavernier that badly we should have been in much sooner.

However, if I wanted to know Gerrard's thoughts on the subject I'd sh it in a jar and take a sniff.

The bloke always comes across as an arrogant, sneering bell end.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on August 11, 2018, 08:00:43 AM
Matt Wilson's piece is an interesting view on Darren Moore. It's fair comment that time is needed to change things at our club and that this has been a very difficult summer. I agree that Darren Moore should be given that time and that we should support him in this endeavour. Many of us predicted that we'd be mid table this season - I'm just a guilty as many on here of being disappointed with 1 point out of two games and our approach in those matches but what did we expect? Personally I was hoping we'd go for Graham Potter but now we have Darren Moore I would like to back him for at least the season.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on August 11, 2018, 08:26:51 AM
Moore said the right things in the main and I understand the need to give him time, but my alarm is more around the fundamentals. Not using substitutes has always been one of my biggest bug bears, not making any tactical change when things were going wrong is a hint towards somebody who isn't sure what to do and his seeming comfort with our immobile central midfield- the same midfield EVERYONE agreed was not good enough last year - makes me think he isn't going to make the improvements our team needs.

He will get enough time but the early assessment is alarming.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on August 11, 2018, 08:41:47 AM
I share these concerns but at the same time can understand the temptation not to change things too quickly. Bolton probably was a bit of a wake up call. Had things gone differently we could have won it comfortably and we probably would have gone to Forest with a more confident approach. Had we got 4 points at this stage I think we would all have been quite happy. Fine margins - I won't get too carried away whatever the results for a while. Whoever took over would have needed time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Windmill Baggy on August 11, 2018, 09:36:06 AM
Middlesbrough seem to be after the sort of players I thought  we'd be after. Strange that Pulis's signings for Palace and Boro aren't as carp as the signings Albion made while he was here. Maybe they weren't his signings. Meanwhile this window is the worst since we signed HRK. ******** to them


Middlesbrough have had a terrible window. Lost many very good players and signed mainly defenders. Pulis is already making excuses and their fans are showing signs of getting restless. They're in a worse place than us.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on August 11, 2018, 09:40:57 AM

Middlesbrough have had a terrible window. Lost many very good players and signed mainly defenders. Pulis is already making excuses and their fans are showing signs of getting restless. They're in a worse place than us.
watched their game against Sheffield United and they seemed happy enough.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Standaman on August 11, 2018, 10:05:42 AM
No matter who we appointed as Head Coach this year had to be given time the culture change Moore is talking about won't happen overnight and unless we are prepared to invest a season in it things won't change.

I expect things to gradually improve as the season progresses. There are issues with the balance of the squad and frankly we still don't have a functioning midfield how much of this is down to Moore is debatable his hands are tied by the players we have under contract and let's face it for the most part there wasn't a queue of clubs willing to pay money for them.

Moore may well be able to supplement what he has with a few loan signings  and that will help the situation. However once that option has closed at the end of the month he will have to make what he has work. I suspect that process won't be a smooth one and the lineup will evolve over the coming weeks and months.  It is plain that Moore is no fool  and his rather avuncular public persona belies inner steel which he has needed to achieve what he has already achieved in the game. If the players aren't delivering then I suspect they will find out there is a ruthless side to his personality.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on August 11, 2018, 10:37:04 AM
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No matter who we appointed as Head Coach this year had to be given time the culture change Moore is talking about won't happen overnight and unless we are prepared to invest a season in it things won't change.

I expect things to gradually improve as the season progresses. There are issues with the balance of the squad and frankly we still don't have a functioning midfield how much of this is down to Moore is debatable his hands are tied by the players we have under contract and let's face it for the most part there wasn't a queue of clubs willing to pay money for them.

Moore may well be able to supplement what he has with a few loan signings  and that will help the situation. However once that option has closed at the end of the month he will have to make what he has work. I suspect that process won't be a smooth one and the lineup will evolve over the coming weeks and months.  It is plain that Moore is no fool  and his rather avuncular public persona belies inner steel which he has needed to achieve what he has already achieved in the game. If the players aren't delivering then I suspect they will find out there is a ruthless side to his personality.
I agree with the assessment of Darren Moore. He may not appear to be the most educated in interviews etc but he is a thinking character who is very determined and honest. Ok he's not an experienced manager (head coach) but he is a football man who has spent his life in the game. I think he will come good and hope it's with us. He'll make mistakes along the way but learn from them unlike other more experienced managers that we have had who seem to be set in their ways.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ashdoy on August 11, 2018, 10:56:45 AM
I dont buy into the opinion we needed a more experienced manager.

Remember, we had Pulis. He left this mess.

Cant get more experienced than that.

Give the guy a chance.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: miggybaggy on August 11, 2018, 11:55:01 AM
I'm hoping that Jones will have an increasing influence on Darren Moore. Lets see how it goes today with the lessons (hopefully) learned from Forest.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: ex coseley kid on August 11, 2018, 11:58:26 AM
I dont buy into the opinion we needed a more experienced manager.

Remember, we had Pulis. He left this mess.

Cant get more experienced than that.

Give the guy a chance.

I concur.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 11, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
People need to look at the squad Pulis inherited and then see where we were when he left.

Likewise with Moore, you can't judge this squad now against him. Not in my opinion.

I have confidence in him he just has some steep learning curves to contend with.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2018, 02:17:44 PM
We needed drastic changes to the team but we just haven't had them, some of that isn't his fault, but persisting with 4-4-2 with Brunt in the middle most certainly is. Against decent teams we will never win the midfield battle, against poor teams, we will struggle to break them down.

Even when he was younger, Brunt always struggled to play central midfield, and certainly never in a midfield two. Expecting him to be capable of that twice a week at 33 years old is just strange.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 11, 2018, 02:20:03 PM
I dont buy into the opinion we needed a more experienced manager.

Remember, we had Pulis. He left this mess.

Cant get more experienced than that.

Give the guy a chance.

The argument to counter that though is that it was inexperience that led to us needing Pulis in the first place. Hopefully with Jones who has  been around a while alongside Moore it may help him see things that everyone else seems to be aware of apart from Moore himself.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 11, 2018, 05:00:11 PM
4 points out of 9.

4 away. Dodgy first game.

Positives/negatives.

Well done on the first one Darren and co..

The signings of of Johnstone, Bartley, Barnes, Gayle all very good.

Just a shame not fully backed

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 11, 2018, 05:01:31 PM
100% needs to bin of nyom and get a full back on loan asap.

Need to stop going with livermore/brunt.

100% behind Dave, he deserves our full backing all season
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 11, 2018, 05:03:00 PM
Well done Darren. We are very slowly making progress. On to the cup and a chance to see some other players in midfield and hopefully start to play Dawson into fitness.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2018, 05:07:11 PM
Delighted for Darren. Dawson and Chadli to return. Can see us going on a decent run for the next few weeks.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 11, 2018, 05:08:28 PM
Not a bad start, that win will do us a world of good. If we can tighten ourselves up at the back a bit, I think we're definitely on the right track. We badly need our defence to be more organised, think we're missing a leader at the back who's shouting and orchestrating the defence. Hopefully, Hegazi or Dawson will fill this role when he comes back into the fold.

A steep learning curve for a rookie manager, but we as a club need to give Big Dave the time he needs to change the culture and the mentality. Today's win lifts the pressure immensely. It's noticeable that we seem to be performing better after halftime in most of our games so far, so he's obviously got a knack for saying the right things in the dressing room. It's going to take some time to be a cohesive end product but I believe our head/assistant combo have got what it takes to take us back up. 

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 11, 2018, 05:08:56 PM
By the way stoke have played one game less than us. Say they was playing tomorrow despite how they'd get on they wouldn't have more points than us..how much did they spend again? Rowett out.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 11, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
Delighted for Darren. Dawson and Chadli to return. Can see us going on a decent run for the next few weeks.

Club are hopeful of offloading Chadli to Marseille in the next few days I've heard today.  Need to get him off the wage bill before we bring in anyone on loan.

Very important we don't let go of Dawson though given the issues as the back.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2018, 05:27:30 PM
By the way stoke have played one game less than us. Say they was playing tomorrow despite how they'd get on they wouldn't have more points than us..how much did they spend again? Rowett out.

Certainly wouldn't be thrilled with him either, Rowett is very much a pragmatist and plays very functional football.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 11, 2018, 05:32:52 PM
Rowett is a painfully dull, Pulis type, manager.

Always said I would not want him here. Dean Smith on the other hand...Brentford bossed that game and looked brilliant by all accounts
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 11, 2018, 05:33:57 PM
Club are hopeful of offloading Chadli to Marseille in the next few days I've heard today.  Need to get him off the wage bill before we bring in anyone on loan.

Very important we don't let go of Dawson though given the issues as the back.
Hopefully that means we go in for a central midfielder - preferably Ryan Woods on loan turning in to a permanent in January.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: kie the baggie on August 11, 2018, 05:34:39 PM
Club are hopeful of offloading Chadli to Marseille in the next few days I've heard today.  Need to get him off the wage bill before we bring in anyone on loan.

Very important we don't let go of Dawson though given the issues as the back.
Dawson wont go abroad
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 11, 2018, 05:38:18 PM
Delighted for Darren. Dawson and Chadli to return. Can see us going on a decent run for the next few weeks.

Its weird agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 11, 2018, 05:39:59 PM
Hopefully that means we go in for a central midfielder - preferably Ryan Woods on loan turning in to a permanent in January.

I don't think he played today. I'd love him here.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on August 11, 2018, 06:21:43 PM
Delighted for Darren. Dawson and Chadli to return. Can see us going on a decent run for the next few weeks.
Very very unlikely
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: SirTonyM on August 11, 2018, 06:28:28 PM
Delighted for Darren. Dawson and Chadli to return. Can see us going on a decent run for the next few weeks.

Love the optimism and rate Chadli but cannot see him staying. Really pleased for Darren so want him to do well.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: slate on August 11, 2018, 10:26:43 PM
After watching Darren's post match interviews it's obvious to me that although he's a nice guy he isn't particularly smart, articulate or versed in anything approaching in-depth tactics.

His decisions during games have been questionable at best.

I hope that we can bolster the central midfield position with loan signings, move brunt out to the left and then Darren can grow into the job, but quickly.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: maccbaggie on August 11, 2018, 11:12:10 PM
After watching Darren's post match interviews it's obvious to me that although he's a nice guy he isn't particularly smart, articulate or versed in anything approaching in-depth tactics.

His decisions during games have been questionable at best.

I hope that we can bolster the central midfield position with loan signings, move brunt out to the left and then Darren can grow into the job, but quickly.
Unfortunately Moore isn't suddenly going to become smart, articulate or tactically aware if he hasn't developed this in his football career by now.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Foster#1 on August 11, 2018, 11:19:29 PM
Anyone watching motd...

Chelsea manager apparently said it could take 2-3 months to see his style..
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 11, 2018, 11:26:05 PM
Anyone watching motd...

Chelsea manager apparently said it could take 2-3 months to see his style..


Behave. He should have them marching to the beat of his drum within a couple of training sessions...  :o ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on August 11, 2018, 11:39:12 PM
Hey slate,he has all his coaching badges so I think he knows all about tactics so hes smart.
Articulate? Who says he has to be,as long as the players understand him that's good enough for me.
Smart? I bet he earns more than me and you,so he's not daft is he?
He's doing OK let him breathe fgs.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Wigmore on August 12, 2018, 03:07:48 AM
After watching Darren's post match interviews it's obvious to me that although he's a nice guy he isn't particularly smart, articulate or versed in anything approaching in-depth tactics.

His decisions during games have been questionable at best.

I hope that we can bolster the central midfield position with loan signings, move brunt out to the left and then Darren can grow into the job, but quickly.
Amazing. Since when has watching a three minute sound bite qualify you to make sweeping assumptions about his tactical abilities?  Would you prefer DM to talk to the public like our last manager? He knew all the right buzzwords - pity he was sh**e.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 12, 2018, 03:38:09 AM
After watching Darren's post match interviews it's obvious to me that although he's a nice guy he isn't particularly smart, articulate or versed in anything approaching in-depth tactics.

His decisions during games have been questionable at best.

I hope that we can bolster the central midfield position with loan signings, move brunt out to the left and then Darren can grow into the job, but quickly.
Ouch! My twin brother and I are both trained mechanical engineers. My vocabulary is much better than his. (He’s dyslexic by the way) However, his problem solving at the base level is bewildering. Maybe Darren is a nuts and bolt guy. I’d prefer that to some guy who spouts off cliches during interviews. This pressure from Sky et al for pre/post match interviews is ridiculous anyway.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: darbolina on August 12, 2018, 06:53:11 AM
Darren turned around a club last year which was in an utter mess. He did this through being himself - a humble and an inspirational leader who created a sense of 'us' amongst a bunch of scared and selfish individuals. He didn't do it by being a statto, tactical genius. He's admitted he's learning the coaching side as he goes so I think we should get off his back. Graeme Jones' experience along with the rest of the coaching team behind him will help Darren immensely. He doesn't seem to operate alone but as a team of coaches which will help him/ us as the season progresses. He's different t oeveryone else out there because he is Albion and he is not jumping from club to club every couple of years.

If Darren can get a sense of belonging and team work amongst the squad whilst picking up results we might see him start to build something. Performances follow results and with the attacking players we have in this division we'll scare most teams on the break.

I always said I'd enjoy the ride with Darren and I am already, it won't be dull and I again feel a connection to the club which was waning a bit to be honest over the past few years.

Great result yesterday in spite of lots and lots of work needed particularly on organisation and shape - an area which takes time.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Blowee on August 12, 2018, 07:54:05 AM
After watching Darren's post match interviews it's obvious to me that although he's a nice guy he isn't particularly smart, articulate or versed in anything approaching in-depth tactics.

His decisions during games have been questionable at best.

I hope that we can bolster the central midfield position with loan signings, move brunt out to the left and then Darren can grow into the job, but quickly.
Being articulate comes with practice and experience of handling the media - anyone remember David Beckhams first interviews? Darren Moore speaks from the heart and that's more honest than many more eperienced 'smart' head coaches.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on August 12, 2018, 09:11:47 AM
I'm not worried about him coming across articulate, I'm worried that he is in a situation where we will need to score loads of goals to get results.
Scored 4 yesterday and we never had control of the game.
Keystone Kop defending, attacking midfielder and a couple of defenders.

I'd be inclined to say arrivederci to Gibbs and drop Brunty back there.
Bin Nyom and for goodness sake lets have some pace and guile in midfield.
If we can get Dawson back and focused that will be a plus
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 12, 2018, 09:13:18 AM
Can't help but think those questioning Moore's intelligence might have a few issues 'upstairs' themselves.  ;)
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 12, 2018, 09:20:16 AM
After watching Darren's post match interviews it's obvious to me that although he's a nice guy he isn't particularly smart, articulate or versed in anything approaching in-depth tactics.

His decisions during games have been questionable at best.

I hope that we can bolster the central midfield position with loan signings, move brunt out to the left and then Darren can grow into the job, but quickly.

Pretty offensive comment really.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Atomic on August 12, 2018, 09:26:03 AM
Pretty offensive comment really.


It's an opinion.

I do not think Darren comes across as particularly bright either. That's not to say he isn't it's maybe just his manner.

You get some managers / head coaches that sound like a genius when they talk but their actual ability to succeed in their role doesn't match how they come across. Maybe Big Dave is the opposite?
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 12, 2018, 09:27:19 AM
I'm not worried about him coming across articulate, I'm worried that he is in a situation where we will need to score loads of goals to get results.
Scored 4 yesterday and we never had control of the game.
Keystone Kop defending, attacking midfielder and a couple of defenders.

I'd be inclined to say arrivederci to Gibbs and drop Brunty back there.
Bin Nyom and for goodness sake lets have some pace and guile in midfield.
If we can get Dawson back and focused that will be a plus

I’d agree with that, have Brunt back where he should be playing (i.e somewhere on the left hand side), and sort the midfield and right back position out properly which is what should have been done a month ago.

Gibbs looks completely disinterested.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: boinging_along on August 12, 2018, 09:34:33 AM
People are being harsh on Gibbs. He got down the line yesterday a fair bit, he also dug in and won the ball back a few times.  Compare that to the other side with Nyom and now that is a disinterested performance.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: NathWBA on August 12, 2018, 10:37:49 AM
People are being harsh on Gibbs. He got down the line yesterday a fair bit, he also dug in and won the ball back a few times.  Compare that to the other side with Nyom and now that is a disinterested performance.
I don’t get the hatred towards gibbs, he’s a modern full back, not the best defensively but gets up the pitch well, exactly as he did last season, difference is this year he’s got Barnes in front of him who offers no defensive cover which leave Gibbs exposed quite often.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on August 12, 2018, 10:58:30 AM
I don’t get the hatred towards gibbs, he’s a modern full back, not the best defensively but gets up the pitch well, exactly as he did last season, difference is this year he’s got Barnes in front of him who offers no defensive cover which leave Gibbs exposed quite often.

Gibbs was that awful that he was subbed at half time and yet you think he did alright and are blaming Barnes, hilarious! How often does a full back get subbed at half time? He’s a useless spectator and I can’t see him getting back in the team any time soon.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Baggies on August 12, 2018, 11:04:46 AM
I do understand what Slate is trying to say, even if it sounds a bit too harsh.

If you listen to the majority of top managers, you get a feel that they are football thinkers, who can explain their views on the game in a clear and sometimes original way. The same for top pundits who are articulate in discussing what they think went well and what didn't.

It isn't one of Moore's stronger points. His interviews generally stick to very safe lines, we stick together, we did some things well, we showed fight, sometimes while stumbling over his words.

It could be a sign of someone nervous in front of the camera, and maybe he is a deep thinker about the game but he hasn't yet been able to reflect that in his interviews, but that is all we have to go on. It does give me more confidence in a manager when they are articulate as I can more readily understand their ideas about the game. Hopefully Moore gets better at it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on August 12, 2018, 11:08:08 AM
I do understand what Slate is trying to say, even if it sounds a bit too harsh.

If you listen to the majority of top managers, you get a feel that they are football thinkers, who can explain their views on the game in a clear and sometimes original way. The same for top pundits who are articulate in discussing what they think went well and what didn't.

It isn't one of Moore's stronger points. His interviews generally stick to very safe lines, we stick together, we did some things well, we showed fight, sometimes while stumbling over his words.

It could be a sign of someone nervous in front of the camera, and maybe he is a deep thinker about the game but he hasn't yet been able to reflect that in his interviews, but that is all we have to go on. It does give me more confidence in a manager when they are articulate as I can more readily understand their ideas about the game. Hopefully Moore gets better at it.

I don’t think the criticism was harsh. Moore does come across as a bit simple with a very limited vocabulary. Speaks in a child like sentences. However I’d like to think he is more intelligent than he is able to project. He obviously has other strengths. I always thought Pardrew spoke very well and yet he was tactically clueless so there is no direct link between talking a good game and making good decisions.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: NathWBA on August 12, 2018, 11:09:33 AM
Gibbs was that awful that he was subbed at half time and yet you think he did alright and are blaming Barnes, hilarious! How often does a full back get subbed at half time? He’s a useless spectator and I can’t see him getting back in the team any time soon.
you didn’t read my post properly at all, hilarious! , where did I mention anything at all about Gibbs performance yesterday? Simply stated that his performances are no different to last season and he offers more going forward. As a modern full back he isn’t the best defensively so needs protection from whoever is in front of him, Barnes doesn’t offer anything defensively so whoever plays behind him needs to be a good defender because they will be left exposed, Gibbs isn’t disinterested he’s just more exposed than last season. That’s not blaming Barnes he’s an attacking player, it’s a consequence of playing brunt in the centre not on the left where he does offer more protection to the full back.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on August 12, 2018, 11:47:53 AM
Also he was taken off because of an injury.
Perhaps Dave talks in so called child Luke sentences( which is very disparaging ) so some on here can understand him.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: slate on August 12, 2018, 11:52:01 AM
Nothing quite like a controversial Sunday morning!

I realise that my comments were rather blunt and I apologise if anybody was offended by them.

Baggies makes a good point of press conference manager comments versus in-game decision making actions. Clearly Pardew was a master at the former and not the latter.

However, I'm not seeing much of either by Darren at the moment to give me the confidence that, to paraphrase Jacko2000, that we will comfortably win the league.

It's early days though and I hope that he can grow into the role quickly and be successful.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on August 12, 2018, 12:19:11 PM
Congrats to big Dave on his first win as first team coach, like everyone on this forum I hope he does well. ;D
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 12, 2018, 12:37:41 PM
Also he was taken off because of an injury.
Perhaps Dave talks in so called child Luke sentences( which is very disparaging ) so some on here can understand him.

He is an ex footballer who is the man manager of other footballers big words and complex sentences are not needed!

He will know as well as anyone that the way to keep his critics quite is by results. It's a shame that the good will for one of our own has not been extended to DM by some quarters.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 12, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
I don’t think the criticism was harsh. Moore does come across as a bit simple with a very limited vocabulary. Speaks in a child like sentences. However I’d like to think he is more intelligent than he is able to project. He obviously has other strengths. I always thought Pardrew spoke very well and yet he was tactically clueless so there is no direct link between talking a good game and making good decisions.

He comes across a bit simple? Childlike sentences?

Frankly I'm more interested in the work he does than analysing the wordcount and the number of letters in the words he uses.

Seeing as some of you are all so superficial maybe we should send him to elocution lessons and ask him to wear reading glasses and develop a studious pose - would you be happier with that?

Some of the comments on here defy belief. 

Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: baggie82 on August 12, 2018, 01:10:24 PM
He comes across a bit simple? Childlike sentences?

Frankly I'm more interested in the work he does than analysing the wordcount and the number of letters in the words he uses.

Seeing as some of you are all so superficial maybe we should send him to elocution lessons and ask him to wear reading glasses and develop a studious pose - would you be happier with that?

Some of the comments on here defy belief.

Your making the same point as me, yes he does come across as a bit simple but that’s not correlated to his performance or decision making.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: slate on August 12, 2018, 01:49:38 PM
He comes across a bit simple? Childlike sentences?

Frankly I'm more interested in the work he does than analysing the wordcount and the number of letters in the words he uses.

Seeing as some of you are all so superficial maybe we should send him to elocution lessons and ask him to wear reading glasses and develop a studious pose - would you be happier with that?

Some of the comments on here defy belief.

Now you're being ridiculous. A simple monocle will be just fine.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on August 12, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
He comes across a bit simple? Childlike sentences?

Frankly I'm more interested in the work he does than analysing the wordcount and the number of letters in the words he uses.

Seeing as some of you are all so superficial maybe we should send him to elocution lessons and ask him to wear reading glasses and develop a studious pose - would you be happier with that?

Some of the comments on here defy belief.

People are confusing someone being softly spoken with someone being simple. Frankly, posters are also confusing their own views about football as supporters with the views of highly trained professionals who have spent their entire careers in the game.

It’s nonsense really to imagine that any of us knows or understands the game in the way that someone like DM does.

He’s going to get things wrong, everyone does, but for goodness sake give him a break. He’s just three games into the season, the team is trying to adapt to new thinking and new tactics, some of the players are either useless or not interested and despite that we scored four yesterday and won away from home.

So far, so good. Improvements can be made and no doubt will. It’s a long season. I’m going to enjoy it I think.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: liverbaggie on August 12, 2018, 02:09:24 PM
For someone who is "simple",who does the poster think he is saying something about another person?, I say this ,take the six games Dave was in charge in the premier league,the pre season games and the three championship games and tell us all how many matches he lost?
He is not simple perhaps you should look at yourself mate before saying things like that.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: paulosull on August 12, 2018, 02:12:05 PM
People are confusing someone being softly spoken with someone being simple. Frankly, posters are also confusing their own views about football as supporters with the views of highly trained professionals who have spent their entire careers in the game.

It’s nonsense really to imagine that any of us knows or understands the game in the way that someone like DM does.

He’s going to get things wrong, everyone does, but for goodness sake give him a break. He’s just three games into the season, the team is trying to adapt to new thinking and new tactics, some of the players are either useless or not interested and despite that we scored four yesterday and won away from home.

So far, so good. Improvements can be made and no doubt will. It’s a long season. I’m going to enjoy it I think.
agree with your sentiment but Darren hit the nail on the head by saying that it will take time on training ground to get players mind set right for this division where they are the big boys in most games
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Chipperfan on August 12, 2018, 02:20:30 PM
agree with your sentiment but Darren hit the nail on the head by saying that it will take time on training ground to get players mind set right for this division where they are the big boys in most games

Pretty sure that we are agreeing with each other...
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: elkiellis on August 12, 2018, 02:24:31 PM
So far I am quite pleased with Big Dave,after the forest performance the city kid had a mare,so he replaced him with Nyon,cant blame Big Dave that somehow Nyon happed to be worse,there was no way he could have started the city kid v Norwich,again Morrison not in the game v Forest,so start Gayle and drop back jrod into midfield all good and sound decisions,i think all us posters agree our forward line is very good,centre midfield is too slow for this league,Brunt if he needs to play him should play left back,and ive always thought Livermore a bit slow too and have yet to see how he ever featured in the England set up,centre defence Dawson back in here,and we will be fine,Right Back is the main problem,so in a nutshell Dawson Centre Midfield,Brunt out of centre midfield and a solution for right back,if Dave can see this we will be fine
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: royhan on August 12, 2018, 02:28:26 PM
Moderators, i think this topic should be ended. It has become far too personal. Let’s focus on football issues.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: tuamigos on August 12, 2018, 03:02:56 PM
You don't have to shout to make yourself heard
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 12, 2018, 03:11:02 PM
Unfortunately Moore isn't suddenly going to become smart, articulate or tactically aware if he hasn't developed this in his football career by now.

And our fan base is not going to be any more knowledgeable if they make judgements based on three games.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Xpresso on August 12, 2018, 03:31:18 PM
Some of the comments are becoming downright offensive and verging on racist. Some people need to stop and read through what they've written before they hit the Post button.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 12, 2018, 03:45:40 PM
I despair sometimes, we have been competitive in every game, could have had more points could have had less, but the defence can be sorted with the players at our disposal, its the midfield and forward line that was more of a concern going into the season, midfield still is a concern, but we are scoring and creating, the glass should be half full, not half empty.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: frazzle on August 12, 2018, 03:51:00 PM
Some strange comments. We were all on a high before Bolton, then there was meltdown until yesterday when it calmed down a bit. I put it down to posters who only know of the premier league days.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: slate on August 12, 2018, 04:33:41 PM
Some of the comments are becoming downright offensive and verging on racist. Some people need to stop and read through what they've written before they hit the Post button.

Which comments are verging on being racist?

There is zero place for that here.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 12, 2018, 04:44:28 PM
Moderators, i think this topic should be ended. It has become far too personal. Let’s focus on football issues.
I agree to an extent, happy for the tpic to remain but some comments are getting a bit too personal.

Can people stick to discussing Darren Mooore as a Head Coach and not the man himself please
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 12, 2018, 04:45:13 PM
Some of the comments are becoming downright offensive and verging on racist. Some people need to stop and read through what they've written before they hit the Post button.

Please forward any racist comments to myself, they and the person making them will be removed from this forum
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2018, 05:22:38 PM
I agree to an extent, happy for the tpic to remain but some comments are getting a bit too personal.

Can people stick to discussing Darren Mooore as a Head Coach and not the man himself please
I think you need to be wary about censoring this topic too much. For example, how well Darren does in interviews does relate to his job as head coach. Also, both Pulis and Pardew got dog's abuse on here on a personal level and a lot of posts of that nature remained. It's a difficult line to draw to discuss his performance as a head coach without it being in some way personal. Many football fans up and down the land would have reason at times to call their club's manager "clueless", but I'm sure posts where people say that wouldn't be removed.

Obviously racist abuse of any kind shouldn't be tolerated, no matter who is the subject of it.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 12, 2018, 05:29:20 PM
I think you need to be wary about censoring this topic too much. For example, how well Darren does in interviews does relate to his job as head coach. Also, both Pulis and Pardew got dog's abuse on here on a personal level and a lot of posts of that nature remained. It's a difficult line to draw to discuss his performance as a head coach without it being in some way personal. Many football fans up and down the land would have reason at times to call their club's manager "clueless", but I'm sure posts where people say that wouldn't be removed.

Obviously racist abuse of any kind shouldn't be tolerated, no matter who is the subject of it.

I know all about abuse that previous managers received, most of it didn't remain on the forum to be seen. I know there is a difference between personal abuse and criticism. Criticism is fine, abuse is not and as such abusive comments will be removed.

I think it might be time for us to step down as it seems plenty of you think you are able to do a better job moderating the forum than we are.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
And our fan base is not going to be any more knowledgeable if they make judgements based on three games.
Well, there were plenty of people who wanted Darren to get the head coach's job permanently on the basis of him being in charge for just 6 games. Those same people can't now reasonably claim that he should be given 15-20 games this season before anyone judges him. He got the job on the back of 6 games, so it's only right and proper for him to be under scrutiny from the outset this season.

There are failings in the side that are apparent to everyone, and I'm sure people will be happier to cut Darren more slack if they see evidence that he's recognised those failings for himself and taken steps to address them. We're 3 games in now and the obvious problems all still glaringly remain.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2018, 05:32:33 PM
I think it might be time for us to step down as it seems plenty of you think you are able to do a better job moderating the forum than we are.
My post was just a polite response suggesting a bit of caution, nothing more.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 12, 2018, 05:36:51 PM
My post was just a polite response suggesting a bit of caution, nothing more.

I think we're aware thanks
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: alex1 on August 12, 2018, 05:52:51 PM
Just listened to the video interview with Graeme Jones. He comes across as impressive, good attitude and a believer in good attacking football. As number 2 to Roberto Martinez's Belgium you can see why. What's important is that he's come to the club because of DM. The 2 are good friends, but Jones and his football philosophy will have a big impact. DM's success as a manager will partly be down to Jones.   
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: timdon on August 12, 2018, 05:55:15 PM
Well, there were plenty of people who wanted Darren to get the head coach's job permanently on the basis of him being in charge for just 6 games. Those same people can't now reasonably claim that he should be given 15-20 games this season before anyone judges him. He got the job on the back of 6 games, so it's only right and proper for him to be under scrutiny from the outset this season.

There are failings in the side that are apparent to everyone, and I'm sure people will be happier to cut Darren more slack if they see evidence that he's recognised those failings for himself and taken steps to address them. We're 3 games in now and the obvious problems all still glaringly remain.
I think that's a bit simplistic. He got the job on the back of 6 games, the fact that he holds all the necessary coaching badges, his obvious qualities as a motivator both with the youths and the first team, his dedication and honesty, and (importantly) that he has West Brom in his heart and understood the need for the club to re-connect with the fans. He was a good candidate, a somewhat risky one given his lack of experience, but sometimes risks can work out well. He is clearly trying to build a new team with a new mentality, more attacking, more entertaining, more enjoyable, but he is not a wizard and we have to be a bit patient surely and cut him a bit of slack for now.
By the way, just a quick comment on a couple of other comments from the above posts. To Xpresso, I have looked back and can't find a single comment that is even remotely racist, so I don't know why you suggested such a thing. And to Oldbury, you are doing a great job moderating the site, and I can say this despite having the odd post of my own removed. Critics should have a look at some of the other shambolic fans' forums around before being so quick to criticise.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 12, 2018, 05:59:03 PM
Well, there were plenty of people who wanted Darren to get the head coach's job permanently on the basis of him being in charge for just 6 games. Those same people can't now reasonably claim that he should be given 15-20 games this season before anyone judges him. He got the job on the back of 6 games, so it's only right and proper for him to be under scrutiny from the outset this season.

There are failings in the side that are apparent to everyone, and I'm sure people will be happier to cut Darren more slack if they see evidence that he's recognised those failings for himself and taken steps to address them. We're 3 games in now and the obvious problems all still glaringly remain.

6 games?!?! I'm pretty certain he was around the club much longer then that with other parts of the club and impressed enough to work his way up.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2018, 06:40:47 PM
6 games?!?! I'm pretty certain he was around the club much longer then that with other parts of the club and impressed enough to work his way up.
How many fans can truly claim to know anything one way or the other about the quality of his work prior to becoming head coach?

I'm giving him a chance, as anyone should with a new manager or player, but I disagree that he should somehow be excused any scrutiny for what he does or doesn't do.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: geoff on August 12, 2018, 06:50:15 PM
How many of us know that Darren had put his head into the lion's mouth taking on the Albion has his 1st managerial job,
i'd say all of us but we wished him well.
Give him at least best part of the season to see if can get the team pulling in right direction.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2018, 06:54:37 PM
I have plenty of good mates i would not work with, The fact that Graeme Jones has felt confident enough to walk away from Belgium job to team up with DM suggests 9to me at least) that DM is no mug and a top coach thinks the same clearly.
I also think DM deserve credit for getting GJ here!
I'll reserve judgement on the new teams gelling at Xmas and not before.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 12, 2018, 07:58:50 PM
Bottom line is, Big Dave's here to manage a squad of professional footballs, and try and win football games based on his assessment of the team and individuals. He may not be a gifted orator in some people's eyes, but that's not his job. The way someone speaks is usually a reflection of their upbringing rather than their intelligence.

Donald Trump/Alan Sugar have a far more limited vocabulary than Big Dave, yet they know how to run a successful business better than 99% of people. Just because someone isn't an eloquent speaker, doesn't mean they're not intelligent.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 12, 2018, 08:38:51 PM
Bottom line is, Big Dave's here to manage a squad of professional footballs, and try and win football games based on his assessment of the team and individuals. He may not be a gifted orator in some people's eyes, but that's not his job. The way someone speaks is usually a reflection of their upbringing rather than their intelligence.

Donald Trump/Alan Sugar have a far more limited vocabulary than Big Dave, yet they know how to run a successful business better than 99% of people. Just because someone isn't an eloquent speaker, doesn't mean they're not intelligent.

Spot on, I would add that people who are successful are aware of their limitations, they make up for those by employing people around them who bring those skills to the party, that is the sign of intelligence, not their ability to trot out a line to the media.
The arrogant think they know it all, the smart ones know they don't and utilise the knowledge of others, a life lesson many could learn, but many don't.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 12, 2018, 09:36:41 PM
I can't see why people get so offended at people's honest opinions
If you knew neither of them, and based on a 3 minute interview I'd suggest that most would choose Pardew to go on a general knowledge game show over Big Dave

That doesn't make you racist or disparaging, it's just taking what you see and hear at face value?
I don't think he talks too well in interview, but then I don't really care , if he (and Mr Jones) can train the group during the week and get the most out of them I'm happy..
We are a full week in to the season, we really do have to be a little bit more considered and patience , there are many a team that will set up not to lose to us and many a team that have some good players, we should not sack him yet, we should be free with realistic critics my and we should be grown up enough to accept that others have opinions too.
Title: Re: Darren Moore sacked
Post by: slate on August 12, 2018, 10:41:45 PM
Bottom line is, Big Dave's here to manage a squad of professional footballs, and try and win football games based on his assessment of the team and individuals. He may not be a gifted orator in some people's eyes, but that's not his job. The way someone speaks is usually a reflection of their upbringing rather than their intelligence.

Donald Trump/Alan Sugar have a far more limited vocabulary than Big Dave, yet they know how to run a successful business better than 99% of people. Just because someone isn't an eloquent speaker, doesn't mean they're not intelligent.


Oh where to start?

Alan Sugar is a very accomplished businessman who is self-made and was one of the first people to get into the start of the vast computer business. He can speak both eloquently and with purpose.

Donald Trump, however, is an ignorant narcissistic propagandist who squandered his father's money and has left behind him a string of failed businesses, controversial relationships and now looks forward to his chief campaign aides and family being indicted for conspiracy to defraud the electoral process of the U