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Title: Oliver Burke
Post by: tambag on August 24, 2017, 04:00:07 PM
 Matt Wilson‏Verified account @mattwilson_star 1m1 minute ago

Breaking - RB Leipzig winger Oliver Burke is on his way to the #wba training ground for a medical. Unsure if deal is a permanent one or loan
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 24, 2017, 04:01:21 PM
 :o
Well, he had rave reviews before he went to Leipzig.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2017, 04:01:35 PM
That's got us all on Wiki!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tambag on August 24, 2017, 04:02:27 PM
Yep I did that straightaway, they reckon he went there for £13million
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 24, 2017, 04:05:55 PM
Remember him from last summer. Very highly rated apparently.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2017, 04:06:02 PM
The next Gareth Bale - he is one hell of a player.

Should have signed him when he left Forest to go there - take a look at him on You Tube from his last season at Forest and you'll see why the comparison with Gareth Bale was made.  Very fast, powerful, left winger. 

Brilliant deal if it comes off!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 24, 2017, 04:06:51 PM
All about Palace signing him the last few days.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 24, 2017, 04:07:41 PM
Would imagine Chadli is on his way then !
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 24, 2017, 04:08:40 PM
This is typical Albion we've all been focused on players that seemingly Pulis doesn't fancy like Wimmer and we quietly go about signing Burke. I do wonder if he's logical replacement for Chadli? Good signing though and it must be close if he's having a medical.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
wowzers i remember being quite exited about this lad last year! Good news. Hope it's all but done.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 24, 2017, 04:11:13 PM
Mind you, if he's a left winger it's just possible he may be asked to drop back a couple of positions...
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiebof on August 24, 2017, 04:12:07 PM
All about Palace signing him the last few days.

Yes it was and I thought to myself "he seems the kind of pacy player Pulis might like".
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tambag on August 24, 2017, 04:12:55 PM
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/08/24/exclusive-west-brom-close-in-on-leipzig-winger-oliver-burke-/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 24, 2017, 04:14:10 PM
Burke and Chadli two completely different sets of players. We've wanted to bring in a winger since before Chadli kicked off. I'd expect this to be in addition to Chadli. Hopes it is loan to perm or perm .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 24, 2017, 04:14:15 PM
Burke was very very good for Forest while there.

I've kept an eye on him in Germany and he's not taken it by storm, he's mostly been a sub, but RB did finish 2nd and by no means is he a chump.

I'd be amazed if it's anything other than a loan. It would be unlike us to loan him without a view to making it a full time deal, but who knows?

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tommcneill on August 24, 2017, 04:15:50 PM
Unexpected but welcome if it comes off

I retract my last statement about not checking the transfer thread  :-X ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Pie on August 24, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
Wow that came out of nowhere - been waiting for a few days for a surprise like this.

I wanted us to sign him last summer.

Interesting to see if its loan or permanent. if its loan i hope we have option to buy at the end.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2017, 04:16:51 PM
Palace fan sites been discussing him for weeks
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: DivinePast on August 24, 2017, 04:19:15 PM
Think I remember comments from RBL fans who said he just didn't want to put in the defensive work in pressing for them. Guess Tony will whip Burke into shape!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiebof on August 24, 2017, 04:20:57 PM
So many questions with this one, first whether it is a loan or a permanent deal. If it is just a loan, it could be a way of bolstering the squad while Leko gets some experience under his belt.

If it is something more permanent, then it opens up questions on Chadli's future. If Chadli is going, we don't have many players a natural fit as a number 10, perhaps Morrison and Rodriguez. Could this be a return to a 4-4-2/4-4-1-1?

Interesting though and I like the profile of the player - let's hope he turns out to be a success and not another McManaman/Gnabry.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 24, 2017, 04:29:36 PM
Hope its permanent and not on a season long loan, youngsters signing on loan for us under Pulis has been a completely pointless exercise. Exciting player though, billed as the next Gareth Bale not so long ago.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on August 24, 2017, 04:35:21 PM
Burke can genuinely play anywhere in a 3 behind a lone striker I hope we are looking at a perm deal just because of recent record on playing loanees. I suspect replacement for Chadli.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on August 24, 2017, 04:37:54 PM
Hope it is permanent. I read from german press that he was for sale a few weeks ago as the feeling at RB Leipzog was that he "lacked football intelligence", which was alwayd going to be a problem for a British youngster going abroad to a good team.

Leipzig were the 2nd best team in Germany last season though so it isn't a huge disgrace. I feel back in England with his home comforts, and Pulis more straightforward style, Burke may well thrive. Forest fans raved about him so he could easily be a success.

Happy.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wbarenno on August 24, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Would imagine Chadli is on his way then !

For me chadli isn't a winger, play him. Play him off the striker central and he will do the business for us
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 24, 2017, 04:41:15 PM
Behind the signing if it is permanent, not so much as a loan because TP won't bother with him.

Started like a house on fire for RBL last season, tailed off a bit but that's to be expected for someone so young. Plenty of potential
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on August 24, 2017, 04:44:55 PM
Any other reliable links out there as they all seem to be jumping on matt Wilson's story, not holding my breath with this one,a loan and he won't get game time like other youngsters pulis has signed,a buy anywhere between 10 & 15 million for a 20 year old prospect, can't see that too
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2017, 04:47:18 PM
slightly off topic, but, if this lad comes and plays regularly what does that say to the academy lads?
a) if your good enough, your old enough
b) our academy isn't providing good enough talent, so we are going outside for kids?

i'm sure there will be other takes on it ..........
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 24, 2017, 04:50:02 PM
Disagree with people saying he won't play if he's on loan, a definate upgrade on McClean and would improve the side which is what Pulis is looking for.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2017, 04:54:44 PM
slightly off topic, but, if this lad comes and plays regularly what does that say to the academy lads?
a) if your good enough, your old enough
b) our academy isn't providing good enough talent, so we are going outside for kids?

i'm sure there will be other takes on it ..........

He's already a full Scotland international, has already had a full season (outstanding) in the Championship and a full season with Leipzig in the Bundesliga.

He's at least 2 years ahead of Leko (nearest comparison)

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on August 24, 2017, 04:56:28 PM
Fast and direct but on the rare occasions I've seen him play, I've always been left with the impression he needs to look up once in a while as he tended to run up blind alleys.

Don't know where the left sided player comments have come from either, I've only ever seen him play on the right.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2017, 04:57:28 PM
He's already a full Scotland international, has already had a full season (outstanding) in the Championship and a full season with Leipzig in the Bundesliga.

He's at least 2 years ahead of Leko (nearest comparison)

He's also 2 years older. It says "prove yourself in the championship like Burke."

Leko had made many mistakes and i'd rather he learnt the harsh lessons as to why not to do that for another team!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2017, 05:00:01 PM
Useful link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y8KhN2fBYdQ
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Singhwba on August 24, 2017, 05:01:01 PM
If it happens which it looks like it will, it will be exciting just a Megson said! Im quite excited by this, fantastic potential, pace to get us up the pitch on the counter. My Forest friends are saying he will be a great signing for us as he fits the Pulis mould.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Astle1968 on August 24, 2017, 05:01:48 PM
Wow this genuinely has me excited.

He's pacy and he is built like a light heavyweight but a real good footballer aswell. So the fit the Pulis mould in terms of his build but not in a 'lump' way.

This 'could' be someone who is worth £50m+ in a couple of years time although there is miles to go before he is anywhere near that level he is definitely someone to be excited about.

Also says a lot about his character that at the age of 19 he was happy to go abroad. Saw a couple of interviews with him last season and he seems like he has his head screwed on.

Don't/Didn't want to see him go but I'd be happy enough if Chadli leaving meant we could get Burke in. Chadli the better player right now but Burke could be 10x the player and thats without the fact Chadli doesn't seem to fit in to this system anyway.

Has to be a perm move or at least a watertight loan to perm in our favour though.

Get this done, get Evans/replacement sorted asap and then if we could add a left back and CM (how many years have we been saying that for) get Rondon motivated and it would be a decent window for us.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 24, 2017, 05:04:46 PM
If it happens which it looks like it will, it will be exciting just a Megson said! Im quite excited by this, fantastic potential, pace to get us up the pitch on the counter. My Forest friends are saying he will be a great signing for us as he fits the Pulis mould.

Megson didn't say the signings would be exciting. This one just happens to be so.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: orville on August 24, 2017, 05:08:39 PM
Mail seem to think its 15 mil so a perm deal lets hope so


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4820272/West-Brom-launch-15m-bid-Palace-target-Oliver-Burke.html
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on August 24, 2017, 05:10:01 PM
Looks promising, lets hope this one comes off quickly before we get gazzumped
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on August 24, 2017, 05:15:05 PM
 Is he in the demari gray bracket  sort of player, and as good good?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Astle1968 on August 24, 2017, 05:20:05 PM
Is he in the demari gray bracket  sort of player, and as good good?

I'd say Burkes a bit more powerful and direct than Gray but ability wise I'd put them pretty level at this stage although hard to judge until they have both played in the same league.

Gareth Bale is a pretty good comparison for the sort of player Burke is although obviously nowhere near that level yet.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2017, 05:23:59 PM
So, have we found our "Matt Phillips for the other wing" player?! I know they're both right wing but surely for that money he's a starter and one of them will be on the left
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Astle1968 on August 24, 2017, 05:33:53 PM
So, have we found our "Matt Phillips for the other wing" player?! I know they're both right wing but surely for that money he's a starter and one of them will be on the left

I think he was being moulded towards being a number 10 long term at Leipzig and I'm sure he scored at least once for Forest at the start of last season cutting in from the left.

I'd love to see Rondon with Rodriguez Burke Phillips behind him all with the freedom to swap around. If Pulis would let them play with that much freedom, or if he would even have all 4 on the pitch at the same time is another question but it's great to have the option. If we can get Rondon back to the forward we had for the 1st 18 months with those 3 behind him it would be genuinely exciting and I'd expect Rondon to improve further with that service.

Alternatively (and probably more likely) we would see something like

Livermore  Barry  Morrison/Brunt/Field/Yacob

Phillips    Rodriguez   Burke

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tambag on August 24, 2017, 05:37:20 PM
 Rob Dorsett‏ @RobDorsettSky 2m2 minutes ago

#wbafc discussing poss loan/permanent signing of Oliver Burke. Heading for talks & medical, but #cpfc still interested. Fee could be £15m.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: NathWBA on August 24, 2017, 05:40:30 PM
I'd be happy with this, look good for forest when I saw him, hopefully he doesn't turn out to be this years pritchard or Galloway though
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on August 24, 2017, 05:59:49 PM
I think he was being moulded towards being a number 10 long term at Leipzig and I'm sure he scored at least once for Forest at the start of last season cutting in from the left.

I'd love to see Rondon with Rodriguez Burke Phillips behind him all with the freedom to swap around. If Pulis would let them play with that much freedom, or if he would even have all 4 on the pitch at the same time is another question but it's great to have the option. If we can get Rondon back to the forward we had for the 1st 18 months with those 3 behind him it would be genuinely exciting and I'd expect Rondon to improve further with that service.

Alternatively (and probably more likely) we would see something like

Livermore  Barry  Morrison/Brunt/Field/Yacob

Phillips    Rodriguez   Burke

To be fair that 6 you suggest looks like a very good ball playing bunch
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Joust on August 24, 2017, 06:36:55 PM
Decent player. A mixture of Phillips and McClean
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on August 24, 2017, 06:48:55 PM
Only played 18 times in his main season for Forest, but living in Nottingham those I have talked to say he's a good prospect.

Apparently the Leipzig boss said he was behind players in his age group for his tactical awareness
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 24, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
Burke looks very good. I'd be very happy with him coming in. He's a very good finisher for a wideman.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: graka on August 24, 2017, 06:52:38 PM
He was best mates with my cousin's son when they came through the ranks at forest together. 
He's got all the attributes to be a quality player
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mb1 on August 24, 2017, 07:05:41 PM
He was best mates with my cousin's son when they came through the ranks at forest together. 
He's got all the attributes to be a quality player

Does this make you 'ITK'?  Can you have a word?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: graka on August 24, 2017, 07:26:53 PM
Does this make you 'ITK'?  Can you have a word?
I've already asked mate. My cousin's lad is injured at the moment and not sure if they as close since he moved to Germany but if I hear anything will update
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wba_1996 on August 24, 2017, 08:07:33 PM
That's better Albion. Young player with potential, pacy and direct, will make us a lot of money if he ever has the big boys chasing him - exactly what I've been asking for all summer. Really hope this goes through and we have an option to make it permanent.

I remember a few seasons ago when we didn't have any wingers, if this goes through we're looking well-stocked in that department, allows us to get Leko out on loan as well.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2017, 08:20:32 PM
He's already a full Scotland international, has already had a full season (outstanding) in the Championship and a full season with Leipzig in the Bundesliga. He's at least 2 years ahead of Leko (nearest comparison)

He started 10 games for Forest and just 5 for RB Leipzig last season - how on earth do 15 starts in two years constitute two full seasons? We're signing potential. I've not seen much of him, looking at YouTube videos he seems be very direct but a bit chaotic in his decision making and final pass or shot. Hopefully he's a replacement for McClean who gives his maximum but lacks ability.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 24, 2017, 08:35:23 PM
He started 10 games for Forest and just 5 for RB Leipzig last season - how on earth do 15 starts in two years constitute two full seasons? We're signing potential. I've not seen much of him, looking at YouTube videos he seems be very direct but a bit chaotic in his decision making and final pass or shot. Hopefully he's a replacement for McClean who gives his maximum but lacks ability.
What i read he broke into the Forest team in December and finished the season with 21 appearences which must have seen him play nearly every game, not bad for a kid breaking into a team!!.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2017, 09:02:45 PM
He's played a total of 1766 minutes of professional football which is 19.62 full matches since he made his Forest debut in 2014/15 - including just 617 minutes for the whole of last season. He has a lot to prove and the Germans clearly didn't rate him. Hopefully it all works out.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: dan7heman on August 24, 2017, 09:03:18 PM
Palace forums saying that FDB wanted him to play wing back, so he'd rather play as a winger here. Shhhhh dont tell him how we set up our wingers 😆
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: B714LF on August 24, 2017, 09:38:25 PM
He's played a total of 1766 minutes of professional football which is 19.62 full matches since he made his Forest debut in 2014/15 - including just 617 minutes for the whole of last season. He has a lot to prove and the Germans clearly didn't rate him. Hopefully it all works out.

Is that more or less than J Rod in the same period??
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 24, 2017, 09:42:41 PM
Any other reliable links out there as they all seem to be jumping on matt Wilson's story, not holding my breath with this one,a loan and he won't get game time like other youngsters pulis has signed,a buy anywhere between 10 & 15 million for a 20 year old prospect, can't see that too
.   Doooom! And Gloooom! Cheer up pal the End is Nigh!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie96 on August 24, 2017, 09:44:33 PM
Burke and Phillips on the wings looks tasty!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie38 on August 24, 2017, 09:58:46 PM
Phillips and Burke as wingers is very exciting. It will be nice to have two pacy wingers which will worry defenders with their speed. I wonder when we will wrap this deal up? Seems close.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2017, 10:02:54 PM
Unproven, risky, hope we get this right.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggies_24 on August 24, 2017, 10:10:22 PM
Hopefully we maybe seeing a change of mind from Pulis on the recruitment front there's no way 2 years ago we'd have signed an Egyptian with no premier league experience and (hopefully) splash in the region of £15 million quid on a 20 year old who has played Championship & Bundesliga football.

Hopefully we get this wrapped up, big risk but certainly the potentials there to be a top player if he puts it all together.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 24, 2017, 10:16:00 PM
Hopefully we maybe seeing a change of mind from Pulis on the recruitment front there's no way 2 years ago we'd have signed an Egyptian with no premier league experience and (hopefully) splash in the region of £15 million quid on a 20 year old who has played Championship & Bundesliga football.

Hopefully we get this wrapped up, big risk but certainly the potentials there to be a top player if he puts it all together.

I don't think we are seeing a change of mind from Pulis, a change of priority maybe from survival to development and future progression
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: caravanc58 on August 24, 2017, 10:20:32 PM
hope its a loan with an option to buy, played very little last year and is he good enough at this level? for the mentioned figure of £15m ,that's a big chunk of our budget so we need to be sure.
not seen enough of him to make judgement but plenty seem confident he's good enough.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2017, 10:30:53 PM
£15m and a 5-year contract it seems
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mb1 on August 24, 2017, 10:35:33 PM
£15m and a 5-year contract it seems

Where have you seen this?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: charlebaggie on August 24, 2017, 10:40:38 PM
£15m and a 5-year contract it seems
. No Way !  :o Honest !
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on August 24, 2017, 10:42:59 PM
Where have you seen this?
apparently going around on the tw@tta,cant see it myself.still everyone quoting matt Wilson and the perce of the telegraph says nothing as yet or even 79 for that matter
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on August 24, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
 :P
Where have you seen this?

Translation from a Spanish site
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wbawill on August 24, 2017, 10:51:36 PM
£15m and a 5-year contract it seems

5 year contract is risky if he doesn't come good but allows us to amortise the fee over a longer period, meaning a little bit extra in the piggy bank each year?

This is the kind of signing I've been wanting us to make all summer - sign these kind of players when they're worth £15m instead of them being out of our reach when they're worth £40m. Hope it comes off!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan on August 24, 2017, 10:55:43 PM
Oliver Burke would be a real statement of a signing, he looked a class above in the championship despite his inexperience. One of the best young players at that level in a good few years I would say. Leipzig ran Bayern close for the title for much of last season, not making it as a starter there is no great shame.

We're crying out for this kind of player. He's made for us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 24, 2017, 11:13:52 PM
An exciting signing. A gamble maybe - I have not seen enough to know if he will be a v good signing. We must be confident of his abilities.
Just hope we can get it over the line without being gazumped by Palace. One article suggesting he may also be talking to Palace whilst over here.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: orville on August 24, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
If iys £15mil and a 5 year deal will be very happy with that !
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BAGGIE5 on August 25, 2017, 07:18:25 AM
Although it aint done yet. Fair play to the club. Ive been synical and critical of their intentions all summer. However its a shrewd move. Fingers crossed it works out.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Chipperfan on August 25, 2017, 07:29:03 AM
Why has it gone so quiet? Why no statement from the club? What is Hammond doing? Typical Albion, dithering. Etc. Etc. Etc....
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 07:36:07 AM
all these names being linked with. we all know whats going to happen dont we.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie38 on August 25, 2017, 07:41:43 AM
Why has it gone so quiet? Why no statement from the club? What is Hammond doing? Typical Albion, dithering. Etc. Etc. Etc....

I hope thats sarcasm because it only came out of the blue yesterday. I imagine he had his medical last night. These things dont take 20 minutes to get done.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 25, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
I hope thats sarcasm because it only came out of the blue yesterday. I imagine he had his medical last night. These things dont take 20 minutes to get done.

I think the etc etc etc gave it away as sarcasm, at least that's how I read it.

Oliver Burke is an interesting one, bags of potential but hasn't played a huge amount of football. To be fair to him RB Leipzig have some world class players in the attacking positions so that was always going to limit his game time. He looked very good for Forest and a lot of their fans were angry that they'd sold him.

It is odd that RBL are willing to let him go considering he signed a 5 yr deal last year to go there, but maybe he's found it hard to adjust to being away from home and they have agreed to let him leave for slightly more than they paid for him rather than him not being good enough.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 08:11:28 AM
I have a good German friend who I see when I go out to Thailand. He told me about RB Leipzig and how universally loathed they are in Germany. They were formed out of Red Bull money a few years ago, so cash is no object to them apparently. I got the impression that they were an 'instant' team, and if you didn't fit in, you were out. I personally would not read too much into his time at Leipzig, they are shaping up to be the next PSG cash wise.

A look at Wiki will tell you that they were formed in 2009 and finished second behind Bayern last season, so they are very ambitious, and with ambition comes ruthlessness.

I do not know a great deal about this lad, but I find myself rather keen on the idea of signing him - just the type of player we should be pursuing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 25, 2017, 08:20:43 AM
Just found this...I've posted it more for the Palace fans comments, especially the last one which suggests that we are sharp movers in the transfer market! :o

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/24/crystal-palace-fans-react-on-twitter-as-west-brom-close-on-olive/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Chipperfan on August 25, 2017, 08:23:51 AM
I hope thats sarcasm because it only came out of the blue yesterday. I imagine he had his medical last night. These things dont take 20 minutes to get done.

Oh please. Of course it was tongue in cheek. The point is that it's really quite amusing how people whinge when as the potential deal for Burke amply illustrates, as ordinary supporters we have very, very little idea what us going on behind the scenes.

Kudos to Hammond etc. if this one comes off. Quite a coup.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 08:29:51 AM
Just found this...I've posted it more for the Palace fans comments, especially the last one which suggests that we are sharp movers in the transfer market! :o

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/08/24/crystal-palace-fans-react-on-twitter-as-west-brom-close-on-olive/
Read the comments the one who thinks our transfer policy is  based on just buggering them up is on a par with the deluded seals.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: jimmyj on August 25, 2017, 08:35:13 AM
Read the comments the one who thinks our transfer policy is  based on just buggering them up is on a par with the deluded seals.

Haven't we said the same about West Ham and others in recent years?
Its just down to the fact that we're all more or less fishing in the same sea innit? *shrug*
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 08:41:34 AM
Haven't we said the same about West Ham and others in recent years?
Its just down to the fact that we're all more or less fishing in the same sea innit? *shrug*
You have a point although a personal vendetta by Pulis i thought was OTT.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 08:46:49 AM
You have a point although a personal vendetta by Pulis i thought was OTT.

Spot on, the alternative is that TP sits at his desk everyday scouring the media for anyone remotely linked to Palace, and sends his warlords out to do the dirty.....not really feasible is it?

Whether we were serious contenders or not, I was not too happy when Benteke and Townsend went to Palace due to the vague link to us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2017, 08:47:27 AM
I had a nose on the Forest forum, the rated him and see him as a potential £40 million player in the future.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on August 25, 2017, 08:50:29 AM
Haven't we said the same about West Ham and others in recent years?
Its just down to the fact that we're all more or less fishing in the same sea innit? *shrug*

Spot on. There's about 5 or 6 clubs fishing in our pond and the reality is that all of us need to sell some players during the window in order to buy to improve. That means prioritizing and any that have bought early without yet selling enough are vulnerable to being beaten to it when somebody like Burke becomes available.  Am pretty sure Palace needed to have a deal to sell Townsend in place before being able to spend on Burke.

West Ham and Stoke are now quickly offloading and Bournemouth and Leicester will be as well.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on August 25, 2017, 08:53:01 AM
I had a nose on the Forest forum, the rated him and see him as a potential £40 million player in the future.

I thought that when he was at Forest and first emerged. Was desperate for us to sign either him or Demarai Gray before they moved elsewhere.  Burke will get the crowd on our feet - we've needed someone like that for years.  Think of Peter Barnes....
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albion79 on August 25, 2017, 09:00:02 AM
He has signed!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 25, 2017, 09:00:17 AM
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/august/albion-sign-burke/

ALBION today welcome exciting young Scottish international Oliver Burke to the club after the completion of his transfer from Red Bull Leipzig for an undisclosed sum.

The 20-year-old forward, who will wear the number 17 shirt, has agreed a five-year contract and is eligible for Sunday's Premier League clash against Stoke City at The Hawthorns (ko 1.30pm).

Oliver joins Jay Rodriguez, Ahmed Hegazi and Gareth Barry as summer additions to the Premier League squad while the club has also signed China international striker Yuning Zhang, who has begun a two-year loan to Werder Bremen.

The Baggies newcomer was a product of the Nottingham Forest academy before being snapped up by Leipzig and featuring in their unexpected Bundesliga title challenge last season which finished in the runners-up spot behind Bayern Munich.

That means he has given up the chance of Champions League to sign for the Baggies but Oliver says: "I feel like it is a time for me to move on and play more games. I'm here, I want to impress and I want my name to be first on the team sheet."

Head Coach Tony Pulis describes Oliver as a player with "tremendous talent" who has got "a fantastic raw ability" and Chairman John Williams welcomed the latest addition.

"We're delighted to see him at the Albion," he said. "He's clearly a talented young footballer and we believe this is the kind of signing that will excite our fans.

"We're all looking forward to seeing him in action."
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tambag on August 25, 2017, 09:00:39 AM
https://twitter.com/WBA/status/900990016800923648
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on August 25, 2017, 09:03:21 AM
Welcome Oliver, hopefully you'll get to showcase your talents!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 09:05:15 AM
thumbs up to this one welcome to the albion oliver
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gavinrussell on August 25, 2017, 09:05:57 AM
Fabulous addition...another Willie in the making...maybe not but width and pace in abundance. .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: sing on our own on August 25, 2017, 09:07:58 AM
Great signing, young, exciting and definitely one who will hopefully improve us.... welcome.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 25, 2017, 09:11:32 AM
Pleased with this, even more so if he fulfills his potential.

Also does this mean that Leko can further his development out on loan in the Championship?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 09:15:28 AM
Brilliant really pleased with this i feel this kid  is really going to improve our attacking options big time.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 25, 2017, 09:15:59 AM
I'm feeling a bit more positive about this season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on August 25, 2017, 09:16:33 AM
Absolutely loving this signing! Well done Albion - put a smile on my face this morning.

Couple of points - where were the rumours? Nowhere and this was clearly done when the news broke yesterday. So don't panic when there aren't any rumours!

Secondly - a signing with the future in mind; young, long contract and if he's a success then there's re-sale value.

Tip of the hat to you Baggies.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Doobuy on August 25, 2017, 09:17:06 AM
i imagine that issuing press releases in the morning might be the preference for the club given the profile of its owners.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Cantello on August 25, 2017, 09:19:56 AM
  Think of Peter Barnes....

I'd rather think of Willie J.  Peter Barnes never really did it for us, did he?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 25, 2017, 09:20:13 AM
I'm glad that this has gone through for footballing reasons but mostly so we can use him as an example of:

- Deals being done quickly
- Work going on behind the scenes
- Us signing young players
- Us signing attacking players
- Us looking abroad for players (though he's still Scottish)

Let's hope he's not poo now.

All jokes aside, I'm assuming this wasn't a £15m deal - that'd make him our record signing and we'd surely make a big deal of that. Transfermarkt has it down as a £13.5m deal - half a mill more than they bought him for. We've done well to keep the price down.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BAGGIE5 on August 25, 2017, 09:20:52 AM
Take a bow West Brom.. lets get another few now.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: don1thedon on August 25, 2017, 09:21:48 AM
Wow, didn't expect this, don't know a lot about him, surprised its been wrapped up so quickly!
Welcome OB hope you show us something special.
COYB!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Singhwba on August 25, 2017, 09:23:47 AM
I think this just goes to show how water tight our transfer dealings are. We first find out yesterday about the medical and he signs today, excellent! Rather us stay out the media and get it done.

Quite excited by this signing. Hopefully he shows his raw potential. Off the bench against Stoke on Sunday to get us on the edge of our seats.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 09:24:11 AM
also available for Sunday. great news siging someone young with promise
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 09:24:56 AM
Excellent news - welcome Oliver.

Really pleased with this and well done West Brom - exactly the sort of player we should be going for.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: kc56wba on August 25, 2017, 09:25:34 AM
also available for Sunday. great news siging someone young with promise
I just hope it don't stop there and more signings are on the way.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: garry on August 25, 2017, 09:26:37 AM
Brilliant news!
Well done to all those concerned - just the type of player we should be capable of attracting.
Made my day.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wardy65 on August 25, 2017, 09:27:13 AM
I think this just goes to show how water tight our transfer dealings are. We first find out yesterday about the medical and he signs today, excellent! Rather us stay out the media and get it done.

Quite excited by this signing. Hopefully he shows his raw potential. Off the bench against Stoke on Sunday to get us on the edge of our seats.
Seems to be a commonly used word but ... WOW!

Well done Albion, incredible signing. Too much more of this sort of thing Tony and you'll have the stay-aways coming back!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on August 25, 2017, 09:27:42 AM
This is a major signing I know £15m (or £13.5m or whatever) is not what it used to be but that is still a big commitment for this club and they have backed it up with a 5 year contract. It is the sort of signing that we have been desperate for some time. We have signed far too many players in the twilight of their careers who even if successful were never going to be the backbone of a side for more than a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: dan7heman on August 25, 2017, 09:27:45 AM
Now this is a signing! Welcome Oliver
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Seems to be a commonly used word but ... WOW!

Well done Albion, incredible signing. Too much more of this sort of thing Tony and you'll have the stay-aways coming back!


this signing does no harm. i am prepared to renew at anytime if we consistantly play exciting football
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: royhan on August 25, 2017, 09:30:38 AM
The squad is looking stronger by the day. I hope we hold on to Chadli and Rondon but I have my doubts as to whether this will be the case.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2017, 09:31:20 AM
I'd rather think of Willie J.  Peter Barnes never really did it for us, did he?

Was going to say the same, signing Peter Barnes was the start of the rot in my opinion, very inconsistent player.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mank baggie on August 25, 2017, 09:33:08 AM
I thought that when he was at Forest and first emerged. Was desperate for us to sign either him or Demarai Gray before they moved elsewhere.  Burke will get the crowd on our feet - we've needed someone like that for years.  Think of Peter Barnes....
Or little willie
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 09:34:28 AM
Palace fans not happy!!

Apparently he has only signed for us because they pulled out!!

Dream On!!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 09:34:59 AM
Was going to say the same, signing Peter Barnes was the start of the rot in my opinion, very inconsistent player.

during those times we were competing and signing the best,quite exciting really, more of an equal playing field we will probably never see again
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: kc56wba on August 25, 2017, 09:35:09 AM
Love it when a signing like this comes out the blue, don't think anyone knew anything about it? That is the way Albion do business and I for one am glad about it.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on August 25, 2017, 09:36:48 AM
Welcome Oliver.

Very happy with the signing, raw, quick, direct, scores and also at an ages were if he performs we would making a fortune on him.

A front four out of the following don't look too bad:

Burke
Phillips
Rodriguez
Chadli
Rondon

Not to mention, McClean, Brunt and Mozza.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2017, 09:37:08 AM
during those times we were competing and signing the best,quite exciting really, more of an equal playing field we will probably never see again

Well sort of, certainly signed players with a good pedigree, Peter Barnes was more miss than hit for me.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 09:42:40 AM
Well sort of, certainly signed players with a good pedigree, Peter Barnes was more miss than hit for me.


i agree but a top signing at the time taking him owen and McKenzie all from Man city those days we were a top club challenging for the best
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 25, 2017, 09:44:14 AM
Palace fans not happy!!

Apparently he has only signed for us because they pulled out!!

Dream On!!

Dougie Freeman managed him at Forrest and is now director of football at Palace. Possible Burke thinks the ex single is, well a dingle?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on August 25, 2017, 09:45:57 AM
Excellent signing WBA. Welcome Oliver.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 09:46:35 AM
Shaping into a good window now all the players we have signed bar the chinese kid have improved the squad and will be pushing for a place in the starting 11.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 09:46:56 AM
how many flare players do Palace actually want, greedy
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 25, 2017, 09:50:24 AM
Shaping into a good window now all the players we have signed bar the chinese kid have improved the squad and will be pushing for a place in the starting 11.

Totally agree with this. 2 more signings and this could be one of our best windows
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: stoxman on August 25, 2017, 09:50:58 AM
Just checked out the youtube video.  He looks surprisingly big and powerful.  I was expecting some whipper-snapper of a boy, all tricks but easy to knock off the ball.  In the video is looks like he often bullies the full back and centre half off the ball.  Like the look of him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 09:51:04 AM
Love it when a signing like this comes out the blue, don't think anyone knew anything about it? That is the way Albion do business and I for one am glad about it.

Likewise - same with Hegazi really, no one saw that coming.......

Its a good day today :)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 09:54:17 AM
Palace fans not happy!!

Apparently he has only signed for us because they pulled out!!

Dream On!!
Small time club big attitude, naturally he would have chosen them first if they wanted him!!.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 09:56:37 AM
he can run 100m in just over 11 seconds, at last maybe a footballer to get us out the cup of our seats
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 09:57:00 AM
Just checked out the youtube video.  He looks surprisingly big and powerful.  I was expecting some whipper-snapper of a boy, all tricks but easy to knock off the ball.  In the video is looks like he often bullies the full back and centre half off the ball.  Like the look of him.
What i noticed in those clips was is ability to run with the ball at speed, very promising.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 25, 2017, 10:02:11 AM
Welcome to the club Oliver. Certainly an exciting and promising signing, can't ask for much more than that.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 10:12:03 AM
We've got Ollie Ollie Ollie on the wing on the wing, one for us oldies!.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 10:14:26 AM
We've got Ollie Ollie Ollie on the wing on the wing, one for us oldies!.

its a mouthfull if not sang correctly, ive just tried it
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mikkyk on August 25, 2017, 10:18:39 AM
Have to say I'm chuffed with this.

McClean to be dropped finally?

Only thing I would say is he's very similar to Phillips so hopefully they can play on opposite wings.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tommcneill on August 25, 2017, 10:21:26 AM
Welcome to the club Oliver!

Young, raw and full of promise exactly the type to excite us
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on August 25, 2017, 10:22:03 AM
Good to see the club take a risk. Still quite an unknown quantity but the club must have got some reassurance the lad isnt another Dale Jennings.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 25, 2017, 10:26:07 AM
how many flare players do Palace actually want, greedy

will he light things up for us? (I'll get me coat!)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
will he light things up for us? (I'll get me coat!)


lets hope so, oh well it sounds the same eh.

he does resemble Gareth Bale with his luggers, wasnt he branded the new gareth bale a while back
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 25, 2017, 10:37:48 AM
Very happy with this deal, this lad will be some player in the next few years.

Also shows what certain posters have mentioned in transfer rumours that the club is very secretive about deals.

What was 12 hours since first mention of him potentially being a signing to being official. Great work by the club
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Legend on August 25, 2017, 10:40:01 AM
Exciting signing, really happy with this. Pulis speaks very highly of him and says he watched him for Scotland U20s so it seems he had a lot to do with getting this lad in.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 10:43:27 AM

lets hope so, oh well it sounds the same eh.

he does resemble Gareth Bale with his luggers, wasnt he branded the new gareth bale a while back

He is on the YouTube clip, and I can see why.........

Best not label him with that though 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: stoxman on August 25, 2017, 10:43:52 AM
With his speed and direct approach he does seem to attract a LOT of fouls in and around the penalty area. With our set-piece power, this could be another great attraction of playing him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: thelawyer on August 25, 2017, 10:50:49 AM
If his YouTube clips are a fair representation he might be the first player since Teixeira and Koumas to actually get the fans stirring every time he gets the ball. Let's hope so!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: leeiswba on August 25, 2017, 10:59:52 AM
Is he now our record signing then?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 11:03:45 AM
and to think that 24 hours ago none of us knew about this.

Those chaps down at the club really are scallywags!

Well done whoever is responsible.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Bakeyaface on August 25, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
Considering the fees being thrown about these days, his age and reviews this is a positive move.

I would imagine McManaman will try and be shipped out soon and if we can recoup a few million for him that's a piece of the Burke Transfer fee chalked off
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: kc56wba on August 25, 2017, 11:26:10 AM
and to think that 24 hours ago none of us knew about this.

Those chaps down at the club really are scallywags!

Well done whoever is responsible.
Kev have always said this about the club keeps it's secrets close to their chest, some wont like what I am going to post but the praise should go to Hammond and Garlick for this one.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: orville on August 25, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
Great signing Baggies. Welcome Oliver.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
Kev have always said this about the club keeps it's secrets close to their chest, some wont like what I am going to post but the praise should go to Hammond and Garlick for this one.

Agree with you there regarding Hammond and Garlick, and TP is clearly delighted to have got him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on August 25, 2017, 11:34:57 AM
Made a conscious effort to follow as many european and worldwide football wriyers as possible over the last 12 months, including a number who write about the bundesliga.

To a man, they all seem to feel this will be a very good fit and that he will suit English football well. One writer hinted he didn't really fit Leipzig's style of play (called him a bishop in a team of rooks), but they were still surprised Leipzig sold him rather than loaned him.

Baring in mind player fee inflation, I feel 15 million isn't too bad for a young "homegrown rule" talent who went for £13 million only last season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BB74 on August 25, 2017, 11:37:51 AM
Bomb squad by easter is my prediction  ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wbastrollers on August 25, 2017, 11:41:50 AM
Just watched Youtube clip - not what I expected, but what I hoped for ! Appears to have power, and those clips were taken when he was 19 (not unlike Barnes at his best, sorry) just what we need,  frightens defenders, someone who naturally takes players on at speed with power .  He is going to have outstanding performances mixed some not so good, only to be expected at his age.

Well done Baggies - bucked me up no end!!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 11:44:09 AM
All I am doing is fist pumping and telling the bluenose and vile fans about our new signing...

Cannot wait for Sunday!!!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 11:47:01 AM
LOL Palace fans not happy,from page 13 is where we signed Ollie.
https://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=106&tid=167971&page=14
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 25, 2017, 11:48:32 AM
Very happy with this deal, this lad will be some player in the next few years.

Also shows what certain posters have mentioned in transfer rumours that the club is very secretive about deals.

What was 12 hours since first mention of him potentially being a signing to being official. Great work by the club

Was 12 hours from first mention to being signed. But those videos of him posted this morning by the club must have been done last night to be edited together. And as a Designer I know nobody in a creative industry is staying late to do work like that, so it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if he signed before Mat Wilson said he was headed for a medical last night.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 25, 2017, 11:54:22 AM
Not picking a fight here but the received wisdom is TP will not sanction the purchase of anyone he hasn't seen play personally so when did he go and watch Redbull Leipzig reserves play?  ;) 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiebof on August 25, 2017, 11:58:49 AM
Not picking a fight here but the received wisdom is TP will not sanction the purchase of anyone he hasn't seen play personally so when did he go and watch Redbull Leipzig reserves play?  ;)

He said that he watched in for Scotland u-20s this summer.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on August 25, 2017, 11:59:43 AM
Not picking a fight here but the received wisdom is TP will not sanction the purchase of anyone he hasn't seen play personally so when did he go and watch Redbull Leipzig reserves play?  ;) 

He could have watched him when he played for Forest.

Got to saybhe does look exciting but maybe a little selfish. Final ball/decision making isn't st the level of say Matt Phillips, but he's young and will improve
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: pennington on August 25, 2017, 12:01:58 PM
Just watching some "Tubes"
"what position would you play if not your current position?"
"....................Full back".......... ;D :D ;D

Q&A  RB Lepzig
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 12:05:11 PM
Just been on YouTube again, and one clip is 'Oliver Burke - Welcome to Crystal Palace FC?'

LOL
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 25, 2017, 12:08:15 PM
I doubt very much he will be a regular starter until after Christmas if at all this season, more of an impact sub I think if Phillips starts to tire at about 65 -70 minute mark.  league bench and FA cup, maybe league cup starter to get him up to speed.

Definitely one for the future.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on August 25, 2017, 12:17:05 PM
I doubt very much he will be a regular starter until after Christmas if at all this season, more of an impact sub I think if Phillips starts to tire at about 65 -70 minute mark.  league bench and FA cup, maybe league cup starter to get him up to speed.

Definitely one for the future.
Think you are right Hull, but even then it is an improvement.
Never looked at our bench and thought we could bring someone on who could really cause problems, but he looks like he could be a real handful, especially against tiring defenders.
Reminds me a bit of Traore at Boro, big, fast and dynamic but lacks end product at times. Hopefully that will come though.
Potential to be a fantastic signing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 25, 2017, 12:22:23 PM
Think you are right Hull, but even then it is an improvement.
Never looked at our bench and thought we could bring someone on who could really cause problems, but he looks like he could be a real handful, especially against tiring defenders.
Reminds me a bit of Traore at Boro, big, fast and dynamic but lacks end product at times. Hopefully that will come though.
Potential to be a fantastic signing.

Oh definitely and if it helps Leko's development by us loaning him out to a championship club then I think it has the potential to be a very rosy future for us (down the right wing at least!)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 25, 2017, 12:40:06 PM
I doubt very much he will be a regular starter until after Christmas if at all this season, more of an impact sub I think if Phillips starts to tire at about 65 -70 minute mark.  league bench and FA cup, maybe league cup starter to get him up to speed.

Definitely one for the future.

I know we have Pulis who is stubborn but i think he will be starting by the end of September.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Aussie Baggie on August 25, 2017, 12:42:06 PM
I watched his You Tube video. Wow.

I just hope that it's not a easybeats League he's been playing in.

But if he brings that form to the Hawthorns it'll be a good season.

Now, who's next?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on August 25, 2017, 12:45:52 PM
I know we have Pulis who is stubborn but i think he will be starting by the end of September.
Seemed genuinely upbeat in his conference. Played him down a bit saying we have to be patient but then said he could make the bench for Sunday.
Pulis likes a strong, pacy winger so, provided he works aard, I think he will get minutes.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on August 25, 2017, 12:49:17 PM
I watched his You Tube video. Wow.

I just hope that it's not a easybeats League he's been playing in.

But if he brings that form to the Hawthorns it'll be a good season.

Now, who's next?

The championship and the Bundesliga...hardly a walkover!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie96 on August 25, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
Will definitely be a starter. Phillips and Burke on the wings, will keep swapping over as well.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 25, 2017, 01:11:55 PM
Like this lad from Forrest days good signing
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Aussie Baggie on August 25, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
The championship and the Bundesliga...hardly a walkover!

Fair enough mate, I wasn't sure.

Well, we could be in for excitement then!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Jimmy on August 25, 2017, 01:16:22 PM
I'm pleased and hope it all works out.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: miggybaggy on August 25, 2017, 01:24:56 PM
Really happy with this....just the sort of player we need to bring back the hawthorns atmosphere, its what I've missed most of all of late.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 25, 2017, 01:27:56 PM
The championship and the Bundesliga...hardly a walkover!

Good point - he's played against some staunchly defensive midfielders in both leagues - the championship is no longer such a gap in quality and should serve him well for taking on defences. I'd be inclined to say based on absolutely no scientific data, that he could be even better against premiership midfields who don't have such a defensive and physical set up.

Hot knife through butter stuff? There's some midfielders in the Premier League who can't defend like Championship teams have to.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan on August 25, 2017, 01:37:53 PM
This is a very good signing, the club deserves a lot of credit for pulling this one off. He's a hugely exciting talent who should fit us perfectly. The clubs actually bought well this summer so far, though I do fear for the centre back situation if Evans leaves.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 02:04:58 PM
rejected the seals have i read somewhere
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on August 25, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
Welcome to Albion. :)

Really a surprising signing, credit to the club officials who keep the deal quiet behind the scenes.

Just watched his highlights on youtube. Quick, strong and raw, hope it will turn out to be a good signing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gerry m on August 25, 2017, 02:22:50 PM
Welcome to the Albion Oliver :D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 25, 2017, 02:28:21 PM
I didn't think i'd say this for a while but i really do trust this current recruitment team since last summer, every signing they've made after a certain point has improved the team or done better than anyone expected. Let's hope they can continue the trend and we can finally relax in the fact that we successfully replaced Ashworth.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionBest on August 25, 2017, 02:32:00 PM
Welcome Ollie.
Very interesting and potentially exciting signing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: maximus on August 25, 2017, 02:37:25 PM
Just watched his interview, Very well spoken, But highly impressive physical specimen stands out. Friends have told me about him from his time at Forest but i wasn't aware of who he is, Looking forward to see him taking players on, Hopefully has an end product which McLean seems to fail a few times on.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 25, 2017, 02:54:45 PM
The championship and the Bundesliga...hardly a walkover!

really ?

the championship is one of the hardest leagues now as our 'big club' neighbours found out last season
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on August 25, 2017, 03:11:56 PM
Welcome Oliver delighted to see you at the club, hope you make your debut against clay heads
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on August 25, 2017, 03:18:35 PM
really ?

the championship is one of the hardest leagues now as our 'big club' neighbours found out last season

I'm agreeing with you...
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: swad35 on August 25, 2017, 03:37:09 PM
This is a very good signing, the club deserves a lot of credit for pulling this one off. He's a hugely exciting talent who should fit us perfectly. The clubs actually bought well this summer so far, though I do fear for the centre back situation if Evans leaves.

I agree with this but to be honest how the club has performed this window so far has filled me with confidence they seem to be making the right choices. Couple more in would be ideal.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBArgo on August 25, 2017, 03:47:40 PM
really ?

the championship is one of the hardest leagues now as our 'big club' neighbours found out last season

The Bundesliga is probably the 2nd best league in the world after the Premier League, or at least the third best - it's not a joke by any means.
To be fair I agree with the Championship too, I read somewhere it's the 8th best league in the world which may also be true.

Regardless, he looks a talent and is a very promising singing from the club, something which is a bit of a rarity so well done for getting it complete.
Does anyone know if he will be available against Stoke?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 25, 2017, 03:54:47 PM
The Bundesliga is probably the 2nd best league in the world after the Premier League, or at least the third best - it's not a joke by any means.
To be fair I agree with the Championship too, I read somewhere it's the 8th best league in the world which may also be true.

Regardless, he looks a talent and is a very promising singing from the club, something which is a bit of a rarity so well done for getting it complete.
Does anyone know if he will be available against Stoke?

I'll wait to see his initiation video before deciding on that  :P
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: sammyg on August 25, 2017, 04:01:23 PM
The Bundesliga is probably the 2nd best league in the world after the Premier League, or at least the third best - it's not a joke by any means.
To be fair I agree with the Championship too, I read somewhere it's the 8th best league in the world which may also be true.

Regardless, he looks a talent and is a very promising singing from the club, something which is a bit of a rarity so well done for getting it complete.
Does anyone know if he will be available against Stoke?

Yes he's available for selection on Sunday against Stoke
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 25, 2017, 04:21:48 PM
Welcome to the Albion Oliver 👍🏻
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 25, 2017, 04:57:12 PM
I remember him catching the eye in a match I watched, he played very well, but his ears helped make him very noticeable.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 25, 2017, 05:24:37 PM
Says he wants to be first name on team sheet and hopes to bring the fans on their feet,love him already.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 25, 2017, 06:06:05 PM
Fantastic signing in my opinion. Ambitious signing by the club bringing in a very exciting prospect who is more than capable of making an immediate impact.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: kris_boing on August 25, 2017, 09:19:35 PM
Potentially an excellent signing. Remember being impressed with him when he was at Forest from the little bits I saw.


It's the kind of signing we need though imo. The squad is too old and this kid will give us the mobility I think we lack.


Very happy with this signing. Good luck to him and hope he becomes an Albion legend.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 25, 2017, 09:28:59 PM
Potentially an excellent signing. Remember being impressed with him when he was at Forest from the little bits I saw.


It's the kind of signing we need though imo. The squad is too old and this kid will give us the mobility I think we lack.


Very happy with this signing. Good luck to him and hope he becomes an Albion legend.

The mobility point is key. We play pretty deep and in order to transition into attack mobility is key. Hence why Rodriguez, Burke and Phillips as a front three bring that in bucket loads.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mateinone on August 25, 2017, 10:42:07 PM
Okay, so whilst Pulis ball at times has me very much wanting to pull my hair out I respect he achieves results, so I put up with that and hope the club will get strong enough in the long term that this period will be worth it.

But the club... oh the club kills me and has be seriously on the verge of no longer following the sport.
This though.. regardless of whether he achieves what he might... This signing excites me.
The club coming in for 15 million on a young exciting kid.. This is what I have been DYING for as a supporter.

I hope he comes on and achieves what he was touted to when he left for Leipzig.

Bring on the rest of the window and WELCOME Oliver!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheBrom on August 25, 2017, 11:22:41 PM
Excited about this signing. Good luck
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 25, 2017, 11:23:43 PM
With Ollly coming in, this will allow Pulis to adopt a more attacking side (as per against Accrington Stanley) which seemed to please most of us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 26, 2017, 12:51:03 AM
With Ollly coming in, this will allow Pulis to adopt a more attacking side (as per against Accrington Stanley) which seemed to please most of us.
I think so more like Palace when he coach them and got manager of the year
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: DivinePast on August 27, 2017, 12:03:49 AM
With Ollly coming in, this will allow Pulis to adopt a more attacking side (as per against Accrington Stanley) which seemed to please most of us.

I have my doubts he will do this too often. Tony is just very conservative in his approach.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on August 27, 2017, 10:37:42 AM
I have my doubts he will do this too often. Tony is just very conservative in his approach.
Don't forget we played Phillips, Chadli and McLean/Brunt as a 3 behind Rondon in our best spell last season....it's not drastically different.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on August 27, 2017, 11:45:18 PM
Post match comments from Pulis today that Burke is "not ready"... "will require a lot of work" and "allow Leko to go out on loan" - that being Leko who never got a look in. I don't think were going to be seeing from Burke save for 5-10 minute cameos from the bench, probably when were losing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wbawill on August 27, 2017, 11:56:24 PM
Post match comments from Pulis today that Burke is "not ready"... "will require a lot of work" and "allow Leko to go out on loan" - that being Leko who never got a look in. I don't think were going to be seeing from Burke save for 5-10 minute cameos from the bench, probably when were losing.

He'll have to get more game time than Leko or else the chairman will really be questioning that £15m expenditure. I wonder what he needs to do to be ready; is it footballing ability or tactical nous that needs work?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2017, 01:25:51 AM
Pulis is talking about a player we have just spent £15m unless something pretty remarkable happens in the next few days we don't have the luxury of buying a player for that sort of fee for the occasional cameo, besides that isn't what the player needs to develop. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2017, 08:33:37 AM
Sounds like he's in the Scotland U21 squad so will get some game time during the break.
I assume he will have done pre season at RB Leipzig. Maybe Pulis sees those fitness levels as not up to ours and I guess he'll have been through testing and monitoring since signing.
I wouldn't have thought a 20 year old would need too long to get up to the mark.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on August 28, 2017, 08:56:07 AM
Pulis is talking about a player we have just spent £15m unless something pretty remarkable happens in the next few days we don't have the luxury of buying a player for that sort of fee for the occasional cameo, besides that isn't what the player needs to develop.
From what I've seen, and reading others' opinions, his lack of readiness is mostly to do with tactical awareness and decision making. He needs coaching mixed with some experience, and we shouldn't expect to see him as a regular starter just yet. We have spent £15 million on him because he has remarkable talent and because we are planning for the future as well as the present, and we think his potential justifies the fee.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: botters on August 28, 2017, 10:07:28 AM
From what I've seen, and reading others' opinions, his lack of readiness is mostly to do with tactical awareness and decision making. He needs coaching mixed with some experience, and we shouldn't expect to see him as a regular starter just yet. We have spent £15 million on him because he has remarkable talent and because we are planning for the future as well as the present, and we think his potential justifies the fee.

I should think at 15 million for a club like ours he would be a regular starter.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on August 28, 2017, 10:19:37 AM
Didn't expect nothing more yesterday tbh, thought he may have got on 10mins earlier, but he's only been there 5mins, would imagine meticulous TP had his plans for the Stoke game in action for the whole week!
As an aside he I wouldn't imagine he'd be TP fit yet  ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on August 28, 2017, 10:36:00 AM
I should think at 15 million for a club like ours he would be a regular starter.
No, not at all. Just because he cost £15 million doesn't mean he is going to walk into the first team. He is young and talented but still raw. He will get in the first team when the coaching staff feel he is ready, which may or may not be soon. If it isn't, it doesn't mean he is rubbish and it doesn't mean it's a waste of money. Be patient, we have a very good player who may need some time to mature, let's wait and see.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2017, 10:41:36 AM
It also adds depth which was needed in case of injury lay-offs such as Phillips last year. That's not to say Burke is bought as cover, he's obviously talented and rated and I should think we'll be keen to get him in the mix as soon as we can.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Aussie Baggie on August 28, 2017, 12:45:03 PM
I know he's not a striker but could he be our version of Jamie Vardy or Mahrez? Not much was known of them before they stepped up a gear to win the league for the Foxes.

I'm not saying Burke is going to win us the league but from what I've heard and seen (admittedly on You Tube) he looks pretty special and capable of injecting some excitement in our attack.

Oli might just be the man to flick the switch.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: divinewind on August 28, 2017, 04:42:35 PM
Judging by what i have seen on Youtube he is very exciting but lacks nous. He doesn't look up enough and tends to rush his chances.
But the kid is only 20, and we threw Cyrille in at the deep end.
He is never going to be ready sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on August 28, 2017, 08:22:52 PM
Judging by what i have seen on Youtube he is very exciting but lacks nous. He doesn't look up enough and tends to rush his chances.
But the kid is only 20, and we threw Cyrille in at the deep end.
He is never going to be ready sitting on the bench.

Glad I'm not the only one. Yes he can run but the highlight video I saw was just full of him taking the wrong option or running down blind alleys.

But he seemed unpredictable. Could be another Somen Tchoyi
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on August 28, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
Glad I'm not the only one. Yes he can run but the highlight video I saw was just full of him taking the wrong option or running down blind alleys.

But he seemed unpredictable. Could be another Somen Tchoyi
He's young, he's learning, he will develop, just give him time
(Tchoyi, btw, what a legend, only Albion player ever to score a hat trick one with his left, one with his right, and one with his head !!)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on August 28, 2017, 09:11:32 PM
Glad I'm not the only one. Yes he can run but the highlight video I saw was just full of him taking the wrong option or running down blind alleys.

But he seemed unpredictable. Could be another Somen Tchoyi

Burke has been mentioned as being a bit like Gareth Bale...now Bale sometimes runs down blind alleys and takes it a bit too far but he also makes something out of nothing, frightens defences and became one of the best players in the world. We don't want Burke to slow down and become safer do we ?
 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: albion59 on August 28, 2017, 09:25:21 PM
What Pulis means is he's not ready because I ain't changed him into an arrrrd worker who needs to chase back and be like a robot and follow exactly what I tell him to do like the rest of the squad do, at the moment he will still think for himself and try to get forward and pass forward and god forbid try something different
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 28, 2017, 09:33:13 PM
There's some glass half full people. There's some glass half empty people. Then there's some people who think the glass is completely empty, and if it's not empty it's full of arsenic and if you touch the glass your hand will burn off and everyone dies and the club is lying about the glass because it's actually a free pint to drive season ticket sales.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 28, 2017, 09:43:46 PM
There's some glass half full people. There's some glass half empty people. Then there's some people who think the glass is completely empty, and if it's not empty it's full of arsenic and if you touch the glass your hand will burn off and everyone dies and the club is lying about the glass because it's actually a free pint to drive season ticket sales.
Post of the decade 👍🏻
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on August 28, 2017, 10:31:52 PM
He's young, he's learning, he will develop, just give him time
(Tchoyi, btw, what a legend, only Albion player ever to score a hat trick one with his left, one with his right, and one with his head !!)

I'm sure Odemwingie scored a perfect hat-trick for us? Maybe got that wrong.

He is young, I'm not expecting the finished article. Just seen a few posts that can only set him up for failure. Just want people to keep their feet on the ground and not expect too much.


Burke has been mentioned as being a bit like Gareth Bale...now Bale sometimes runs down blind alleys and takes it a bit too far but he also makes something out of nothing, frightens defences and became one of the best players in the world. We don't want Burke to slow down and become safer do we ?
 

No but you can't tell me that his decision making shown in the clips shown at the linked time could be improved?

https://youtu.be/y8KhN2fBYdQ?t=85

The first clip is a shows a great turn of pace and a real directness, but he then runs the ball out of play.

The second is a 3 on 2. We don't see if it leads to a goal but I assume it doesn't.

The third I can't complain about - he's used the other Forest player as a decoy and run straight through the heart of the defence.

I'm not going to go through all the clips, but do you see what I mean? It's great he is direct and will take players on, and of course we don't want to make him boring or safe, but we need to appreciate and recognise his deficiencies.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 28, 2017, 10:47:00 PM
He's young, he's learning, he will develop, just give him time
(Tchoyi, btw, what a legend, only Albion player ever to score a hat trick one with his left, one with his right, and one with his head !!)

Lukaku v Man Utd
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on August 28, 2017, 11:22:02 PM
Lukaku v Man Utd
Oops, still a legend though :D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 28, 2017, 11:23:33 PM
(Tchoyi, btw, what a legend, only Albion player ever to score a hat trick one with his left, one with his right, and one with his head !!)

Lukaku v Man Utd

Yes Lukaku did.... Tchoyi didn't.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 29, 2017, 08:33:17 AM
I'm sure Odemwingie scored a perfect hat-trick for us? Maybe got that wrong.

He is young, I'm not expecting the finished article. Just seen a few posts that can only set him up for failure. Just want people to keep their feet on the ground and not expect too much.

No but you can't tell me that his decision making shown in the clips shown at the linked time could be improved?

https://youtu.be/y8KhN2fBYdQ?t=85

The first clip is a shows a great turn of pace and a real directness, but he then runs the ball out of play.

The second is a 3 on 2. We don't see if it leads to a goal but I assume it doesn't.

The third I can't complain about - he's used the other Forest player as a decoy and run straight through the heart of the defence.

I'm not going to go through all the clips, but do you see what I mean? It's great he is direct and will take players on, and of course we don't want to make him boring or safe, but we need to appreciate and recognise his deficiencies.

Odemwingie's hatrick was all with his feet, 2 left foot and a right foot goal to finish it off.

Agree with what you say about Burke though. It looks to me that he is very much one for the future, he is further on in his development than Leko, so his signing should allow Leko to go out on loan and leave us with a better back up option.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheBrom on August 29, 2017, 08:45:02 AM
Yep Lukaku is the only perfect hat-trick for us. Although there have only been 30 odd in the whole Premier League era anyway.

On Burke, seemed a bit excited on Saturday and fell over the ball straight after he came on.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on August 29, 2017, 12:20:18 PM
I just hope this isn't TP code for "not my signing, will leave him in the stiffs"

He does have form for this, hopefully I'm being overly cynical (glass half empty) as he did get on the pitch on sunday!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 29, 2017, 12:25:26 PM
I just hope this isn't TP code for "not my signing, will leave him in the stiffs"

He does have form for this, hopefully I'm being overly cynical (glass half empty) as he did get on the pitch on sunday!

You're being pessimistic not cynical but I digress.

Pulis has said that he watched Burke for Scotland U20's in the summer Toulon Tournament and that had played a part in us signing him, so I think he is a Pulis signing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on August 29, 2017, 01:06:07 PM
You're being pessimistic not cynical but I digress.

Pulis has said that he watched Burke for Scotland U20's in the summer Toulon Tournament and that had played a part in us signing him, so I think he is a Pulis signing.

Wasn't aware of that, thanks for sharing. Maybe hope for us yet then ;-)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie96 on August 29, 2017, 09:26:14 PM
Burke said pulis phoned him to convince him to come in open in his first interview
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 05, 2017, 10:32:13 PM
Scored for Scotland unders tonight
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 06, 2017, 06:44:18 AM
Scored for Scotland unders tonight
Looked like he was playing as the central striker too.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 06, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
saying all the right things, lets hope he gets plenty of opportunity

we are amazing

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/900916297?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Joust on September 10, 2017, 08:48:19 AM
Looked great when he came on yesterday. Powerful, attacking threat. A bit headless chicken at times but clearly he's got 'it'.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 11, 2017, 10:08:35 AM
if he had started or we had had more forward from the off at brighton we would have cruised to 3 points.
give the ball away for their 3rd goal, but good awareness for his assist. needs raw talent refining
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: sparky123 on September 11, 2017, 03:01:15 PM
I see he was 2nd fastest player this weekend
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: sammyg on September 11, 2017, 03:25:29 PM
I see he was 2nd fastest player this weekend
Who was fastest? He looked absolutely rapid on Saturday. I was very impressed, exciting talent
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: sparky123 on September 11, 2017, 03:35:45 PM
Rudica chelski Shane long was no 10
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Beefy on September 11, 2017, 10:29:39 PM
He was taken off after 18 Minutes of the U-23 game tonight
Anybody know why ?  :o
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: vrabbit on September 11, 2017, 10:34:58 PM
He was taken off after 18 Minutes of the U-23 game tonight
Anybody know why ?  :o

suspected injury according to Matt Wilson but that's about all I can see. Hope he was subbed more as a precaution that anything. Luckily there are a good number of options at his position but ideally he'd be getting minutes more often than not.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 12, 2017, 08:46:47 AM
He was taken off after 18 Minutes of the U-23 game tonight
Anybody know why ?  :o

tight hamstring, taken off as a precaution apparently. U23's went on to beat Brighton 5-1.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/september/albion-pl2--brighton-pl2-/

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 10, 2017, 10:35:19 PM
Played well and scored for Scotland under 23's tonight,in line to play against Leicester do you think?
Its about time we saw this guy unleashed isn't it.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 16, 2017, 10:35:43 PM
Not even on the subs bench tonight. Anyone know the story with his absence. Didn't hear he was injured.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 16, 2017, 10:45:47 PM
Not even on the subs bench tonight. Anyone know the story with his absence. Didn't hear he was injured.


Commentator mentioned him not being match fit but ready to add to the squad.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 17, 2017, 09:34:25 AM
Probably our most exciting summer signing and cant get in the squad. hes needed. get him in Pulis
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WoysWunderful on October 17, 2017, 04:08:37 PM
Probably our most exciting summer signing and cant get in the squad. hes needed. get him in Pulis

Whats his fitness levels and is he ready for week in week out premiership football?

You obviously know something the rest of the fans dont thats going on behind the scenes so please share?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Foster#1 on October 17, 2017, 04:16:11 PM
Probably our most exciting summer signing and cant get in the squad. hes needed. get him in Pulis

Not much pulis can do when he's not fit....
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Wigmore on October 17, 2017, 04:19:07 PM
Probably our most exciting summer signing and cant get in the squad. hes needed. get him in Pulis

So, you would like him to play on one leg?? :o
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: DivinePast on October 17, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
So, you would like him to play on one leg?? :o

Well that well qualify him to be our backup keeper  :D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Legend on October 17, 2017, 04:36:04 PM
Probably our most exciting summer signing and cant get in the squad. hes needed. get him in Pulis

He's not fit that's why  :o
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 17, 2017, 08:00:56 PM
He's not fit that's why  :o
In what way? Injured? Thought he just played for Scotland under 21's.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: caravanc58 on October 17, 2017, 08:42:29 PM
In what way? Injured? Thought he just played for Scotland under 23's.
he played for the albion u21s on the 3rd oct
he played for Scotlands u21s on the 6th oct
he played for scotlands u21s on the 10th oct and was substituted in the 80th min, don't know if it was through injury though.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 17, 2017, 11:01:14 PM
he played for the albion u21s on the 3rd oct
he played for Scotlands u21s on the 6th oct
he played for scotlands u21s on the 10th oct and was substituted in the 80th min, don't know if it was through injury though.
Ah, hamstring again apparently. Frustrating for both him and us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: royhan on October 30, 2017, 09:43:32 PM
I see that Burke only lasted 45 minutes for the U21 tonight. Does anyone know if he was injured again or was his substitution a pre-planned precaution?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Legend on October 30, 2017, 10:34:26 PM
Hope he's not injured again, Pulis is desperate to get him in the side.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: ashdoy on October 30, 2017, 10:42:00 PM
“Hopefully he will play 45 minutes on Monday night," Pulis said after the 3-2 home defeat to Manchester City on Saturday.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 01, 2017, 08:20:32 AM
Hamstring injury apparently.

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1401199-oliver-burke-ruled-out-of-scotland-under-21-double-header/

Could be worse, could be a "hamstering" injury.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on November 01, 2017, 10:48:05 AM
He could have done with a full pre season in Austria  ;) .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 02, 2017, 06:20:19 AM
Going to be fit for the Huddersfield game according to Brummie Mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-update-oliver-burke-13841612
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Canmore Baggie on November 02, 2017, 05:32:25 PM
Going to be fit for the Huddersfield game according to Brummie Mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-update-oliver-burke-13841612

Which begs the question - will he get played and if so how?

Personally I would love to see him in the team - since the end of August I have been hoping to see us play Greg & Barry behind Phillips, Chadli & Burke with either of Rondon/JRod up top.
Doubt it is ever going to happen, but I can dream...
 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: M666EYS on November 02, 2017, 05:36:51 PM
Which begs the question - will he get played and if so how?

Personally I would love to see him in the team - since the end of August I have been hoping to see us play Greg & Barry behind Phillips, Chadli & Burke with either of Rondon/JRod up top.
Doubt it is ever going to happen, but I can dream...

If we lost fans could accept that we went to have a go.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Chipperfan on November 02, 2017, 05:37:08 PM
Which begs the question - will he get played and if so how?

Personally I would love to see him in the team - since the end of August I have been hoping to see us play Greg & Barry behind Phillips, Chadli & Burke with either of Rondon/JRod up top.
Doubt it is ever going to happen, but I can dream...

When I saw the title of this thread I was hoping it was about Pulis having an accident.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BB74 on November 02, 2017, 06:00:15 PM
Bomb squad by Easter if Pulis is still in charge.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on November 02, 2017, 06:14:04 PM
No point in him getting fit. Like all our other pacey, inventive players he will warm the bench. Unless he can fill the right back position.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on November 02, 2017, 07:03:21 PM
When I saw the title of this thread I was hoping it was about Pulis having an accident.

That’s pretty funny. Burk is an underused insult!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on November 05, 2017, 05:13:04 PM
Going to be fit for the Huddersfield game according to Brummie Mail

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-update-oliver-burke-13841612
So, if he was fit, why wasn't he even on the bench? Am beginning to think that Pulis doesn't actually like him very much, probably because he is fast, skillful, likes to attack, and is young. Just don't understand it !!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 05:19:04 PM
So, if he was fit, why wasn't he even on the bench? Am beginning to think that Pulis doesn't actually like him very much, probably because he is fast, skillful, likes to attack, and is young. Just don't understand it !!


Read yesterday that Burke travelled but didn't make the 18. Rondon benched due to slight strain meaning he was only able to manage 30 mins.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on November 05, 2017, 05:29:01 PM

Read yesterday that Burke travelled but didn't make the 18. Rondon benched due to slight strain meaning he was only able to manage 30 mins.
Cheers for the info. Must be disheartening for the lad. Don't think we will see much of him until Pulis leaves, just doesn't seem to be his sort of player. It does beg the question though, why did we sign him?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on November 06, 2017, 01:37:47 AM
Was omitted from the Scotland U-21 squad for continued treatment to his recent injury.

Most likely only border line for inclusion in Saturday's match day squad.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: RogerBadoo on November 06, 2017, 08:47:46 AM
How long with Williams and Lai be happy that a £15m investment is not played at all. This was always going to happen - it will be another player who is too young and doesn't work back enough. Like Leko - not wonder Tyler Roberts is leaving us in January.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: stoxman on November 06, 2017, 09:54:02 AM
In any other job that would be completely unacceptable.  If the CEO of an engineering plant spent millions on new machines, chosen by him, and then huge amounts on maintenance every week but then refused to even switch them on because he wanted to stick with the old obsolete machines he'd used in the past, his board would fire him.  Why is football so different from other businesses?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: royhan on November 06, 2017, 10:14:49 AM
Not only is Burke not playing but our other major expensive signing, the Chinese lad on loan for two seasons at Wolfsburg, hasn’t been getting a game either. What the hell is going on?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: don1thedon on November 07, 2017, 10:19:24 AM
Doesn't really appear to be close to 1st team action if he's playing in the Checkatrade surely. Hopefully building his match readiness?
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/burke-to-face-coventry/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on November 07, 2017, 07:39:19 PM
Doesn't really appear to be close to 1st team action if he's playing in the Checkatrade surely. Hopefully building his match readiness?
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/burke-to-face-coventry/
Yes that's what it would be - does make sense him getting game time.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: albion59 on November 07, 2017, 09:22:08 PM
He as scored for the U23s 2-1 down at Coventry
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 11, 2017, 08:22:47 AM
Interview with him from O/S

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/burke-i-feel-fit-and-ready-to-go/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on November 11, 2017, 10:17:44 AM
Interview with him from O/S

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/november/burke-i-feel-fit-and-ready-to-go/
Fit and raring to go........over to you Tone, or is he still not match fit?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on November 11, 2017, 12:12:18 PM
Have we got a Burke not injured thread ? - have to keep looking at this to see if he's injured again.
Will be good to get him in the mix.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on November 15, 2017, 09:55:13 AM
Is he still fit or injured in a mysterious training ground accident!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 15, 2017, 10:29:13 AM
Is he still fit or injured in a mysterious training ground accident!

He was supposed to be fit for the Huddersfield game yet didn't make the bench, haven't read anything suggesting he is still injured.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on November 15, 2017, 11:50:40 AM
He's fit and raring to go, my mate spoke to him yesterday.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: miggybaggy on November 15, 2017, 12:56:25 PM
He's fit and raring to go, my mate spoke to him yesterday.

Doubt he'll be raring to go anywhere, except to another club who'll appreciate his ability to actually attack defenders at pace.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Legend on November 15, 2017, 05:59:38 PM
I think we will see Burke against Chelsea. I'm really excited about this guy, he's got tons of potential he just needs to be better off the ball which Pulis can coach into him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on November 15, 2017, 07:43:44 PM
If he doesn't play against Chelsea, I think we may have to consider if he is with Chadli on the too skillful for one of my teams settee.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: royhan on November 15, 2017, 08:06:08 PM
I think we will see Burke against Chelsea. I'm really excited about this guy, he's got tons of potential he just needs to be better off the ball which Pulis can coach into him.
Pulis can certainly teach him to be a full back😩
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on November 17, 2017, 11:48:48 AM
"He’ll definitely be involved in the group," said Pulis. "We’re pleased to have Oli back.

"The thing with Oli is making sure we don’t throw him in and he pulls something or get injured again. The important thing is getting him to a level to play.

"It’ll come hopefully, if we put him on the bench, and give him time.

"The pace of the game today and the rigours the players are put through - you’ve got to make sure they’re 100 per cent fit."

So that's that then. Reading between the lines, it is clear that Pulis has no intention of starting him in the foreseeable future. The usual excuses, blah, blah, blah.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on November 17, 2017, 12:04:58 PM
Krychowiak, Livermore and Barry it is!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on November 17, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
"involved with the group" = sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on November 19, 2017, 01:42:55 PM
id play him at wembley with mcclean on other wing who ever is in charge at least they would keep spurs fullbacks honest.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on December 28, 2017, 04:04:07 PM
Can't understand what's going on with this guy, whenever he comes on he looks better than McClean and the likes so why can't he get into this injury-stricken side? Any insiders know anything?

Just confusing  ???
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on December 28, 2017, 04:17:33 PM
Can't understand what's going on with this guy, whenever he comes on he looks better than McClean and the likes so why can't he get into this injury-stricken side? Any insiders know anything?

Just confusing  ???
    Sam Field even more so. why isn't he playing?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: ripryan1971 on December 28, 2017, 04:18:03 PM
All i can guess is he won't play him on the wing because he maybe don't track back, or his ball usage when he does get it. However he's never going to get better playing 15 mins every odd game. If we were comfy mid table and clear of relegation i think it would be different.

Regarding Field, and i'm not saying this because its what i believe. Inexperience and when Pardew made the comment after Palace game, that Field maybe didn't understand what was required for him to do during the first half, contributes to why he's not playing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: vrabbit on December 28, 2017, 04:47:30 PM
play him as a striker in a 2-man front (4-4-2)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 28, 2017, 04:54:14 PM
Lad has the ability to impact a game, that's for sure. The crosses against Man Utd and Stoke both should have led to goals.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 28, 2017, 05:59:46 PM
play him as a striker in a 2-man front (4-4-2)
Have said it a 100 times
Burke and Phillips as the front 2 (until we can buy)
With a midfield of brunt field Yacob Greg/chadli

Simples
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on December 28, 2017, 06:12:59 PM
He appears to be very quick but a bit of a headless chicken. The Germans got rid of him as they came to the conclusion he didn't have a football brain. Of course at our club nobody thought that was an issue as we gave up playing football a long time ago. My criticism with the signing is really the huge fee for unproven player with no premiership or top flight experience. At £4-5m he was worth a gamble but he was never a £15m player, waste of resources.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: telford baggie on December 28, 2017, 06:48:20 PM
He appears to be very quick but a bit of a headless chicken. The Germans got rid of him as they came to the conclusion he didn't have a football brain. Of course at our club nobody thought that was an issue as we gave up playing football a long time ago. My criticism with the signing is really the huge fee for unproven player with no premiership or top flight experience. At £4-5m he was worth a gamble but he was never a £15m player, waste of resources.
funny how he never looked a headless chicken at forest whrn he was scoring goals for fun and alot of big clubs were watching him...10 mins here and there isnt going to hit form from that...problem with our fans never back players when havrnt really seen them hes young wth potential shame hes at the wrong club
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2017, 07:15:50 PM
Until we see him get a run in the side it's pointless forming an opinion yet, all I know is I'd like to see him get as much game time as McClean and see how he does.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 28, 2017, 07:18:59 PM
He seems to be trying incredibly hard when he is given a chance, trying to hard to impress in what little action he's given. Which is understandable. He needs to be told, you're starting the next two games... enjoy them and express yourself.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 28, 2017, 08:37:17 PM
He seems to be trying incredibly hard when he is given a chance, trying to hard to impress in what little action he's given. Which is understandable. He needs to be told, you're starting the next two games... enjoy them and express yourself.
I'd extend that to 6 games
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
I wasn't that convinced to be honest when he was given longer against United. A few mazy runs but seemed to be a lot like our other wingers, can look good but ultimately no threat. Looked knackered after about 50 mins as well which is probably why he's only been given minimal minutes and issue number one.

As others have said he needs to be able to track back and cover when we don't have the ball, unfortunately his defensive work for the first United goal left much to be desired for me, a half-hearted attempt at stopping the cross that they scored from. United seemed to target that side for most of the game too for a reason. Think that's issue number 2.

The fact he wasn't in the squad in the last game suggests he's picked up a knock, which is issue number 3 for me. Been injured pretty much since we signed him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 29, 2017, 12:56:45 PM
Isnt it amazing how many of our players 'seem' to be injured when the teams in the s***e ??!! I bet if we were challenging for Europe, they'd be banging on Pardews door !!!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on December 29, 2017, 01:01:39 PM
No word on any knock or anything but I was surprised he wasn't on the bench v Everton given a bit of lack of pace at the back for them...and we need to win games.

There have been comments about his control and 'headless chicken' popped up in one post. I think this is a tad harsh at the moment. Looking at his YouTube clips which are probably as relevant to his potential than what he's been allowed to show so far with us....it's hard to escape that raw Gareth Bale comparison....similar stature and speed and threat in the air.
Players who are tall especially and run at speed with ball at their feet will occasionally make a heavy touch or show too much of the ball - Bale does this now and then. I think we just have to expect this now and then as we wouldn't want to slow him down and make everything safety first.
Also a lot of quick players are injury prone and continue to be...Bale again and Phillips spring to mind here.

We needed another pace threat as we see the effect of losing Phillips time and time again. Hope Burke is back in the match squad very soon...get him making runs when Brunt is on the ball or Barry for that matter.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on December 29, 2017, 06:59:53 PM
I'd extend that to 6 games
agree, he could be our Zaha
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 29, 2017, 07:34:47 PM
agree, he could be our Zaha

or he could just be the next El Ghannsy, lets just wait and see.
All we can say is he has potential. He can play anywhere across the front 3, has been playing through the middle for Scotland U21s. He needs time to adjust to this level as he hardly played for RB Leipzig and regardless of what he did at Forest it's not the same level.

 I'd like to see him given a decent run in the team or get more time off the bench than the 10mins or so he has been getting.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on December 30, 2017, 06:46:17 PM
or he could just be the next El Ghannsy, lets just wait and see.
All we can say is he has potential. He can play anywhere across the front 3, has been playing through the middle for Scotland U21s. He needs time to adjust to this level as he hardly played for RB Leipzig and regardless of what he did at Forest it's not the same level.

 I'd like to see him given a decent run in the team or get more time off the bench than the 10mins or so he has been getting.
needs games i agree
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SirTonyM on January 02, 2018, 08:16:54 PM
What’s he done to not get a start over the Christmas break? Phillips injured in warm up and a tired Livermore gets into the team a head of him. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on January 02, 2018, 09:41:48 PM
Played well tonight. Up top supporting Rondon and looked very lively.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on January 02, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
Played well tonight. Up top supporting Rondon and looked very lively.
Not up to , not yet.
Too raw by half.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: DivinePast on January 02, 2018, 10:00:12 PM
Played well tonight. Up top supporting Rondon and looked very lively.

I don't think he played that well. He runs fast sure and if we just to launch long balls that is a good skill. Didn't show much technically though.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: frazzle on January 02, 2018, 10:02:15 PM
Think we can only use him on a front two at the moment where he has more freedom - not disciplined enough for the wing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on January 02, 2018, 11:22:04 PM
For goodness sake, he's 20. He has promise, he has potential, we should be encouraging him, he is raw but he has a lot of speed and talent. Enjoy watching him develop.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 02, 2018, 11:39:43 PM
I feel really sorry for him, you can see from his face he is desperate to do well...but in as sub for 5 mins...then out for 3 matches, then in as sub again despite us being desperate for pace/attacking intent...
Quite clearly he will be as nervous as hell and constantly in fear of being dropped, this is not how you develop a footballer
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2018, 11:45:16 PM
At £15million he wouldnt have been a bad signing had we signed a few other first teamers who could help aid his development.

As it happens, we didn't, and we're now relying on a £15million investment who has shown he isn't good enough so far. That money, a significant portion of our budget should have been used elsewhere.

And quite frankly, when has this club ever given a toss about aiding the development of youngsters??

Just another to add to a long list of errors in the transfer market
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: vrabbit on January 02, 2018, 11:59:53 PM
For goodness sake, he's 20. He has promise, he has potential, we should be encouraging him, he is raw but he has a lot of speed and talent. Enjoy watching him develop.

sounds like 2-year-older Jonathan Leko
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: webral on January 03, 2018, 06:29:20 AM
doesn't go anywhere near a tackle, prances around, has speed but not seeing a great deal of skill, creativity or good decision making

let's hope he improves quickly

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on January 03, 2018, 07:11:45 AM
I don't want to be too critical of a young player that has barely kicked a ball for us and last night was lost not solely because of what Olly did there were 10 other players on the pitch all of whom are more experienced. At the moment he looks raw and the decision making isn't there given time and the right coaching that can come.

Where I will be critical is the recruitment process that bought him to the club. First off while I know £15m isn't what it used to be it is still a big slice of our budget and for the money we have to have first team ready player (lots of players who would have improved us moved for less last summer)

Secondly he brings nothing to the squad that wasn't there in the shape of Matt Phillips nor does he seem very much better or much further along his development path than Leko. I have no problem with adding depth to the squad but when there are some very obvious deficiencies that needed to be addressed I'm not for overstocking an area where we have an established first choice and some cover.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 03, 2018, 08:13:35 AM
I think last night answered why he isn't starting. He's not premiership standard yet.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 03, 2018, 08:50:07 AM
At £15million he wouldnt have been a bad signing had we signed a few other first teamers who could help aid his development.

As it happens, we didn't, and we're now relying on a £15million investment who has shown he isn't good enough so far. That money, a significant portion of our budget should have been used elsewhere.

And quite frankly, when has this club ever given a toss about aiding the development of youngsters??

Just another to add to a long list of errors in the transfer market

Out of interest, like?

With regards to the club not giving a toss about aiding the development of youngsters, clearly you need to go back 15 years and see what we had. You'll soon retract that statement.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2018, 08:53:16 AM
He will be our star man next season on the league below
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 03, 2018, 10:06:38 AM
Agree Devon, forward thinking signing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on January 03, 2018, 10:16:01 AM
He had a spell at Forest, and speaking a few Forest fans they really rated him.  Interestingly I have been at all the games he has played at so far and he does look like he has something exciting but looks really raw.  this might be lack of game time, but only time will tell.  I do not think he will be a major player this season though.  Then again, I do not think we are string enough at the moment to stop up.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: alex1 on January 03, 2018, 10:44:44 AM
I've seen reports in the German media, that Leipzig let him go as, despite his speed,  he didn't fit in with the tactics ("pressing" and "combination football") they were trying to play.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on January 03, 2018, 11:48:56 AM
I've seen reports in the German media, that Leipzig let him go as, despite his speed,  he didn't fit in with the tactics ("pressing" and "combination football") they were trying to play.

I saw the same when he came to us. They basically said his footballing brain was lacking
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on January 03, 2018, 12:20:09 PM
I'm not sure about what he can offer and haven't been his biggest cheerleader but I was impressed with him last night. He made a great athletic run which he almost scored from (very good last ditch defending to be fair). Was then close to scoring from a half-volley in the box. He also ran off the shoulder of Rondon well and had one very nicely executed switch of play. Considering he only had 20 minutes that was a lot more than I expected. He is raw but played high up the pitch he does offer us that raw pace that the rest of the team lacks. Need to stick with him. I'd start him against Exeter alongside Rondon and take it from there.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: boinging_along on January 03, 2018, 03:23:27 PM
He's alright, still a bit raw but not what you want in a relegation battle.

His miss last night was down to really poor attacking.  He'd got in front and across his man, just needed to get his shot away but he took too long.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on January 03, 2018, 03:32:19 PM
He showed his pace last night but he is still raw. Also it seems that he doesn't have enough confidence therefore he wasted a great 1 on 1 chance.
He can be used as an impact sub only at this moment.
The coaching staff have to work hard on training ground to enhance his growth.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on January 03, 2018, 05:15:30 PM
He showed his pace last night but he is still raw. Also it seems that he doesn't have enough confidence therefore he wasted a great 1 on 1 chance.
He can be used as an impact sub only at this moment.
The coaching staff have to work hard on training ground to enhance his growth.

He needs time on the pitch playing in actual football matches to settle in, not the training ground. It was his pace and movement which got him in 1 on 1 last night in the first place and it was a great recovery challenge from the West Ham defender after Burke did the right thing to go across him but then took just the one touch too many. Hardly unexpected considering he's not been playing and isn't up to speed with the match tempo.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 03, 2018, 09:17:12 PM
The kid needs a run, not 20 minutes every 7 matches

This kid is a special talent , play him and develop him we will get double our money inside of two years
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: vrabbit on January 03, 2018, 09:54:00 PM
I can't be the only one who sees a kid who is often in positions to make a difference. Forget him out of the wing, play him up front with Rondon and keep him as the lone man forward when we're defending, then run him at defenses on the counter.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 03, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
He is being criticised here for the same failings as very experienced pros like J-Rod Rondon Mclean HRK, etc are guilty of every week. Give the kid a chance , he shows great promise. Frankly Burke, Field , Gibbs, Hegazi and Dawson are our future, the rest can do one any time soon.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 03, 2018, 11:05:54 PM
He needs time on the pitch playing in actual football matches to settle in, not the training ground. It was his pace and movement which got him in 1 on 1 last night in the first place and it was a great recovery challenge from the West Ham defender after Burke did the right thing to go across him but then took just the one touch too many. Hardly unexpected considering he's not been playing and isn't up to speed with the match tempo.


What got him in last night was a wonderful pass from Rondon. The rest I agree with.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: boot2006 on January 03, 2018, 11:25:04 PM
Needs a run in the side before we will see the best of him. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on January 04, 2018, 08:32:55 AM
Given injuries to creative players and our dire need for cutting edge Burke surely has to feature more.

Opposing teams will not be worried about facing HRK or J Rod as they'll think they can handle them even on a good day. Burke on the other hand may make them rethink due to his pace and the slight unknown factor about his play. If he doesn't start he should be the first attacking player off the bench and get 25 minutes.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 04, 2018, 08:36:40 AM
Given injuries to creative players and our dire need for cutting edge Burke surely has to feature more.

Opposing teams will not be worried about facing HRK or J Rod as they'll think they can handle them even on a good day. Burke on the other hand may make them rethink due to his pace and the slight unknown factor about his play. If he doesn't start he should be the first attacking player off the bench and get 25 minutes.
He should be playing, the others have used all their chances by now - look to the future
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on January 04, 2018, 08:44:09 AM
Given injuries to creative players and our dire need for cutting edge Burke surely has to feature more.

Opposing teams will not be worried about facing HRK or J Rod as they'll think they can handle them even on a good day. Burke on the other hand may make them rethink due to his pace and the slight unknown factor about his play. If he doesn't start he should be the first attacking player off the bench and get 25 minutes.
Great point mate. We are far too slow and predictable and therefore easy to defend against (hence our lack of goals), Burke may not be the finished article but he does offer pace and unpredictability, 2 things that defenders hate.
If we play him though, we need someone with a bit of composure and vision in midfield, so one of Field, Greg or Barry needs to play and look to pick out his runs.
Won't work every time and yes he'll trip himself up or run down a blind alley a fair % of the time but if it comes off 2 or 3 times a match it could make the difference .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on January 04, 2018, 09:22:11 AM
He can't be worse than McClean can he?!

Burke offers an unpredictability and burst of pace and explosiveness that only McClean and Phillips show.

McClean has been awful this season and his final ball is very questionable, also doesn't provide enough goals/assists which is proof that he has no final ball.

Phillips is injured a lot so for me this lad must be given a chance to prove himself, what we're doing isn't working and we need players on the pitch that can score/assist and Burke can do it, albeit in the Championship but we'll only find out if he can in the Premier League if he's actually played.

Play Burke, Krychowiak and Brunt for a run of games and we may just improve. This would have to coincide with dropping McClean, Livermore and J-Rod/HRK.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 04, 2018, 09:26:01 AM
He is extremely raw, his touch at times is terrible and he is clearly not in tune with the defensive side of things as yet. That said, we are now in a position where we need to be able to create something out of nothing and he offers us that. I feel he needs a run of games and it may just be that he unlocks a few doors with his unpredictable nature, if he doesn't know what's coming next, imagine how the defenders would be trying to play against it all game. Ultimately, we have given a run of games to far worse players this season so we may as well try it, put him up top next to or in behind Rondon where he doesn't need to worry so much about the defensive side of things and see what he can do. The two crosses he put in against Man United and Stoke were crackers and should have been turned into goals.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on January 04, 2018, 09:31:38 AM
He is extremely raw, his touch at times is terrible and he is clearly not in tune with the defensive side of things as yet. That said, we are now in a position where we need to be able to create something out of nothing and he offers us that. I feel he needs a run of games and it may just be that he unlocks a few doors with his unpredictable nature, if he doesn't know what's coming next, imagine how the defenders would be trying to play against it all game. Ultimately, we have given a run of games to far worse players this season so we may as well try it, put him up top next to or in behind Rondon where he doesn't need to worry so much about the defensive side of things and see what he can do. The two crosses he put in against Man United and Stoke were crackers and should have been turned into goals.

If his defensive side is poor perhaps he should be number 10 or one of a two-pronged attack, takes the emphasis of tracking back a little and takes advantage of what he is good at.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 04, 2018, 09:46:33 AM
If his defensive side is poor perhaps he should be number 10 or one of a two-pronged attack, takes the emphasis of tracking back a little and takes advantage of what he is good at.

Yes that's what I suggested. Give him a fairly free role and see what he can bring to the table. You don't see the likes of Ozil doing the defensive work, not that he is in the same league of course, but you play those types of players for the goal threat they bring and hopefully Burke can provide us with that.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 04, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
How many players have we afforded such a role before. Koumas is the one player that springs to mind. It is arguably the role Chadli should be afforded. Oliver Burke isn't and never will be a player similar to either. 10's are historically the most gifted player in the team, Burke playing there is a big square peg in a little round hole. We either go and get one, or we don't play with one.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on January 04, 2018, 01:58:49 PM
There has been a lot of comment for and against Burke yes he had hardly played any football for us. He need a run of starts, preferably in an attacking position and then we can all judge his ability for better or worse.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Pie on January 04, 2018, 03:08:47 PM
I wouldn't say its fair to give the lad one start and say here is your chance in this game after so long without a decent run of football matches. Of course he isnt going to be sharp and used to playing in competitive matches with the team because he hasnt been exposed to it. The pressure to perform in one game would also be making him try to hard to impress if you get what I'm trying to put across.

He needs to be told you will get a run of games, and we go from there with our conclusions on his ability.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: caravanc58 on January 04, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
If we ain't going to play him may aswel loan him out if it helps with freeing up wages for incoming players,same with Sam Field.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Astle1968 on January 04, 2018, 03:22:23 PM
Look at someone like McClean who is in his prime.

He has played 88 games for us, scored 4 goals, made 4 assists, averages less than 1 dribble a game in that time, slightly over 1 key pass every 2 games, averages less than 1 cross per game, 2 tackles every 3 games and an interception every 2 games.

I know stats can be misleading but this just confirms what I see every time I see him play he offers next to nothing. Can never be proven but I'm fairly sure if McClean had made the exact same performances he has done but was aged 17-20 he would not have played 80+ games for us in the last 3 seasons.

Burke may or not be the answer but I really fail to see how he can do much worse than someone who offers practically nothing. At the very least he deserves a solid 6-10 game run as a starting winger to show what he an do. Same goes for Field in comparison with Livermore. These players may or may not be good enough as things stand right now but I can't see how they will be much worse than the players who get chance after chance despite being big parts of a team on record runs without a win. At least Burke has room for huge improvement in his game and will in theory at least become a better player down the road with game time now something which can't be said of some of the players in front of him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on January 04, 2018, 03:26:52 PM
the only possible reason I can come up with to justify him not playing more than McLean is "being young and in a losing side may screw his confidence up",
whilst not playing could screw his confidence up, so get him on the pitch for a run of games.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on January 04, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
the only possible reason I can come up with to justify him not playing more than McLean is "being young and in a losing side may screw his confidence up",
whilst not playing could screw his confidence up, so get him on the pitch for a run of games.
You can't swap them as JM is left footed and left sided where Burke is right footed right sided,Burke for me is back up to a fit Philips
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on February 04, 2018, 09:23:06 AM
Anyone think he deserve more game time?
Created some good chances against Stoke, West Ham and Southampton although he couldn't convert them into goals.
At least he is more threatening than McClean and HRK in my opinion.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheBrom on February 04, 2018, 12:05:40 PM
Needs to sort out his ball control for me and calm down a bit. Gets in some very good positions and has pace to burn, but seems to either over-run the ball or miscontrol it and slip over more often than not.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 04, 2018, 12:10:05 PM
Thought he was a bit unlucky just after he came on when the defender nicked it onto his shin & it ran through to the keeper, got a bit of pace about him & he's a big strong lad, like to see him getting more time on the pitch.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 04, 2018, 05:26:36 PM
I think it's now time to try something different and give him a run in the side. Try him out wide where there's more space and let's see what he can do.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 04, 2018, 05:28:50 PM
Anyone think he deserve more game time?
Created some good chances against Stoke, West Ham and Southampton although he couldn't convert them into goals.
At least he is more threatening than McClean and HRK in my opinion.
Agree entirely
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: sammyg on February 04, 2018, 05:59:45 PM
I thought he was one of the very few positives from yesterday’s game. Definitely got a lot to learn but there’s potential there!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 05, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
Would like him to be given a chance against Chelsea, start Phillips on the bench.

I'm not convinced by him at all but would like to see him get more game time in order to be able to form a better opinion of him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 05, 2018, 10:31:31 AM
He's certainly got something, but sadly as yet it isn't a good first touch...or second. I like him though, he is extremely raw but I see a lot of potential in him if he can be given the correct coaching. Unfortunately potential isn't what we currently need but I would give him a run in the side for the unknown quantity factor. I would pick anyone ahead of Phillips currently who offers us absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 05, 2018, 11:21:52 AM
Quite possibly our best footballer next season in the Championship, he will excel
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on February 05, 2018, 11:24:15 AM
He's certainly got something, but sadly as yet it isn't a good first touch...or second. I like him though, he is extremely raw but I see a lot of potential in him if he can be given the correct coaching. Unfortunately potential isn't what we currently need but I would give him a run in the side for the unknown quantity factor. I would pick anyone ahead of Phillips currently who offers us absolutely nothing.
These fabled run of games coming up against teams near us might just be right for Burke , the unknown if you like.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 05, 2018, 11:25:30 AM
These fabled run of games coming up against teams near us might just be right for Burke , the unknown if you like.

I certainly see no harm in trying it, unless we have Chadli back by then.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Nathan on February 05, 2018, 12:35:08 PM
He's certainly got something, but sadly as yet it isn't a good first touch...or second. I like him though, he is extremely raw but I see a lot of potential in him if he can be given the correct coaching. Unfortunately potential isn't what we currently need but I would give him a run in the side for the unknown quantity factor. I would pick anyone ahead of Phillips currently who offers us absolutely nothing.

Trouble is, something like first touch or ball control isn't something that can necessarily be coached at this level, you've either got it instinctively or you haven't. My mate said to me at Brighton within a few minutes of him coming on that he was effing useless and had no ball control and crap first touch. I said give him a bloody chance (or words to that effect) but in the glimpses we have seen from him since, he has shown nothing to discredit my friends initial opinion!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 05, 2018, 12:39:40 PM
Trouble is, something like first touch or ball control isn't something that can necessarily be coached at this level, you've either got it instinctively or you haven't. My mate said to me at Brighton within a few minutes of him coming on that he was effing useless and had no ball control and crap first touch. I said give him a bloody chance (or words to that effect) but in the glimpses we have seen from him since, he has shown nothing to discredit my friends initial opinion!


That's my view of him also.

I absolutely love the lad's enthusiasm & he's a trier, but the more I see of him the harder I find it, to justify the £15million transfer fee.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 05, 2018, 12:45:41 PM
Trouble is, something like first touch or ball control isn't something that can necessarily be coached at this level, you've either got it instinctively or you haven't. My mate said to me at Brighton within a few minutes of him coming on that he was effing useless and had no ball control and crap first touch. I said give him a bloody chance (or words to that effect) but in the glimpses we have seen from him since, he has shown nothing to discredit my friends initial opinion!

When Lukaku was on loan here, his first touch was crap; yet now he has gotten a lot better, hence why he's playing for Manchester United. Nobody is too old to learn, and our coaches should be working on deficiencies in peoples games, whether they're 18 or 38.

Sorry, but saying a certain skill or technique can't be coached is a load of rubbish, especially at this level.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Nathan on February 05, 2018, 01:01:13 PM
When Lukaku was on loan here, his first touch was crap; yet now he has gotten a lot better, hence why he's playing for Manchester United. Nobody is too old to learn, and our coaches should be working on deficiencies in peoples games, whether they're 18 or 38.

Sorry, but saying a certain skill or technique can't be coached is a load of rubbish, especially at this level.

I'm sorry but if a player is playing in the Premier League, supposedly the best league in the world, with a price tag of £15 million, it is totally reasonable to expect him to be able to control a football and have a half decent first touch, especially a bloody winger! You mention Lukaku but you cant compare. He was a young raw striker at the Albion as you say but he had other attributes to make up for a not so good first touch, as a big, physically strong striker, you can get away with a slightly poor first touch as the second touch is likely to end up in the back of the net. Defenders would bounce off him if he retrieved a ball from loose control. On the other hand a poor first touch and crap control from Burke either leads to him being put flat on his arse or us losing possession cheaply. It's not good enough.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggieboy74 on February 05, 2018, 10:54:50 PM
He can't run with ball.  Not good enough at the moment.

He might improve........I hope
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: alex1 on February 05, 2018, 11:25:42 PM
He has got a wicked burst of speed, but I'm waiting to see him do something with the ball.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on February 05, 2018, 11:34:56 PM
He's 20 years old
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Backofthenet on February 06, 2018, 01:27:15 PM
When I lived in Oxford many years ago John Aldridge was there(prior to transfer to Liverpool) and his first touch was poor, his second touch was a tackle to get the ball back.
Jim Smith, manager at the time spent hours with him in the afternoons improving his touch and control. I used to watch him firing balls at the wall so they rebounded to Aldridge all over the place and he had to get them down and under control, then get a pass or shot away.
That was decades ago and his skill level improved no end. Things don't change and we shouldn't accept the fact that Burke has a poor first touch. - Work on it. Anyone at work who has deficiencies gets training on it. Football should be no different. Of course there is always the question about why he was signed if his touch was not good. The answer to that is probably " We thought we could work on it" -- [Well do it then. >:(
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on February 06, 2018, 06:46:19 PM
Personally I think there's too much talk of Burkes touch. He still hasn't had much game time to feel settled. Also he's an explosive type player looking for speed off the mark and running with the ball at pace. It's harder to have perfect control if your always looking to do things quickly and get an advantage. Gareth Bale's touch looks dodgy sometimes.

Burke isn't the type who's going to get it right every time he gets the ball but he could become the type who can do 3 or 4 things in a game which make a difference (whether that's with us or not). We shouldn't want him to slow down and become safety first.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: spencer Baggie on February 07, 2018, 10:25:20 AM
Needs to learn how to track back and defend.

AN impact player for last 20 minutes at best.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on February 07, 2018, 08:06:24 PM
Needs to learn how to track back and defend. AN impact player for last 20 minutes at best.

He hasn't been played for more than 20 minutes at a time. Impossible to say how he would do over 90 minutes as he hasn't had a chance with a run in team just the odd cameo appearance, usually when were losing and his teammates are all over the shop, like against the Saints. I though he played well during his short time on the pitch at West Ham. He needs more time on the pitch, consistently before we can really judge what he can offer.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on February 07, 2018, 08:21:57 PM
Pardew has to give lad a chance, he couldnt do any worse.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Tatnam baggie on February 11, 2018, 07:14:56 PM
He has got a wicked burst of speed, but I'm waiting to see him do something with the ball.


Quite agree. Just needs a goal or assist to get his confidence going
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on February 11, 2018, 08:30:51 PM
When Lukaku was on loan here, his first touch was crap; yet now he has gotten a lot better, hence why he's playing for Manchester United. Nobody is too old to learn, and our coaches should be working on deficiencies in peoples games, whether they're 18 or 38.

Sorry, but saying a certain skill or technique can't be coached is a load of rubbish, especially at this level.

His second touch was a goal.
Oh for this lad to be at the same stage in his development as Lukaku was when he was here
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tylerm on February 11, 2018, 09:15:27 PM
Needs to learn how to track back and defend.

AN impact player for last 20 minutes at best.

Stuff tracking back-that’s not what we need at the moment
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBArgo on February 11, 2018, 11:22:01 PM
The jury is still out for me, but having said that I am surprised he hasn't been used as much by both Pardew and Pulis. For all his possible flaws, he seems the ideal player to bring on when chasing a game, which have done quite a bit of this season.

On the one hand it's clear that he has excellent pace. That alone isn't enough - he could end up like Troare at Villa/Boro where he looks excellent for small glimpses, but overall isn't good enough. Hopefully he has a bit more about him than that however.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: caravanc58 on February 13, 2018, 11:36:32 AM
in the few times I've seen him i don't see £15m a good investment. maybe he'll improve but I've got major doubts he will be a success for us, I expected a bit more than the odd 20 yard sprint because that's about what he's delivered so far.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on February 13, 2018, 12:11:40 PM
As a club, when we spend £15m it has to be on someone that's going straight into the first team.
On what I've seen up to yet he's far short of that.
I really want this lad to succeed but I haven't seen anything to suggest that he will be a top notch player.
Maybe with more game time and in the Championship we may see a star rising. But not yet for me.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: webral on February 13, 2018, 12:20:28 PM
disgrace the way he jogs around with no desire to chase anything or make a tackle given our predicament

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tylerm on February 13, 2018, 12:48:54 PM
disgrace the way he jogs around with no desire to chase anything or make a tackle given our predicament

I am afraid you could say that about most of them last night
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Aussie Baggie on May 09, 2018, 11:59:55 AM
Do we keep Burke for next season?

Would he do much better in the next tier down?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 09, 2018, 12:01:10 PM
Yes to both.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Aussie Baggie on May 09, 2018, 12:03:17 PM
Yes to both.

Thanks mate.

We might finally see some quality from him with the pressure off a bit.

Is it too much to hope it might make him more prepared for PL if we go straight back up again?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 09, 2018, 12:55:00 PM
He reminds me of when we had Koumas or Dorrans. He'll probably **** the championship, but struggle to step up.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 10, 2018, 08:17:00 AM
Do we keep Burke for next season?

Would he do much better in the next tier down?

It was his performances in the Championship for Notts Forest that got him his (ill fated) move to RB Leipzig.

I've no doubt he would be much more successful and have more of an impact at a lower level, which in turn may give him the game time and confidence to be more effective when we get back into the Premier league.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on May 10, 2018, 08:27:58 AM
Both Oliver and Sam Field need to establish themselves next season the team needs to be built around these two alongside some experienced pros. This is another reason I'm not convinced by Big Dave getting the job so far he's relied on senior pros. Next season we need to be bringing in the best of the kids i.e. Oliver and Sam.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: telford baggie on May 10, 2018, 08:33:13 AM
burke was very good in the championship for forest,im hoping he starts next season could be a big player for us
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on May 10, 2018, 08:41:18 AM
Personally I think that we will be raving about this chap next season, with a bit of work he could be a real problem to the opposition.

Must keep and must play
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: divinewind on May 10, 2018, 10:00:15 AM
A must keep, especially if we appoint a footballing manager. A type of player that needs to be off the leash.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie38 on May 11, 2018, 08:23:03 AM
If we appoint a manager like Smith who gets the ball down and playing Burke can really thrive he may lack confidence at the start due to lack of game time but he has already done well in the past in the championship with Nottingham forest.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: DaveWBA on May 11, 2018, 08:32:08 AM
He got on OK in the Championship for Forest, as we saw with his move to Leipzig he is very much a confidence player. Only the very best in his position can turn in on off the bench every week. Give him a run of games in Championship and he will come good. He's hardly kicked a ball for us yet.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Big Al on May 11, 2018, 09:01:12 AM
Still have some concerns about him. He looks a real threat going forward and can be a match winner, however he is worse than Koumas for tracking back in any way shape or form. A real luxury player that has to perform or is a passenger as imo when not attacking he is a liability. He needs to learn the true team ethic or if Darren becomes manager may not play very much.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albion79 on May 11, 2018, 09:59:55 AM
Big season for him next year, he has barely started a game the last two seasons at Leipzig and with us and seems to be mainly used as a sub for the last 15-20 minutes.

After making such a good breakthrough at Forest, the lack of games the last two years will of hindered him a bit and he cant afford to have a third year like it.

From what i have seen he looks a bit of a headless chicken but not sure if thats just the way he is or he is desperate to impress or most likely combination of the two.

With his size and pace he can definitely be a decent player and a threat, i think whoever our new coach is will determine whether Burke kicks on at the Albion, if its a Pulis or Allardyce type i would hand in a transfer request right away if i was him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 11, 2018, 10:42:52 AM
When looking at Burke, you only have to look at Adama Traore.

Same sort of player, same criticisms were leveled at him, great pace but shocking touch and lack of end product. Look at him now after having played week in week out for a season or two.

Next season we have to build an attack around this lads pace.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on May 11, 2018, 05:54:57 PM
I think this 'headless chicken' and poor touch stuff comes from him wanting to be a real handful to the opposition. Slight over eagerness maybe but we shouldn't want him to slow it down and be safety first all the time.
Really would be good to see a lot more of him next season, let him settle into the team a bit more. He'll give a few defences some headaches.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: lewisant on May 11, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
Hopefully Burke will be the man next year, his performances for Forest were phenomenal.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BigFrank20 on May 11, 2018, 08:51:46 PM
I look forward to watching him rip a good few defenders brand new arseholes
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 11, 2018, 09:17:23 PM
Oliver Burke under Dean Smith is a frightening prospect
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 11, 2018, 10:49:23 PM
You look at someone like Jacob Murphy and perhaps a season in The Championship and playing consistently (if he deserves too) will do him the world of good. Playing week in, week out and displaying form will be the key issue and then hopefully continuing it for us.

Murphy moved to a new club and didn't have any consistency in that respect, Burke has a massive opportunity in that respect with us. To stake a claim for a regular spot in a side that will be one of, if not the, favourite to go up.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 27, 2018, 05:51:45 PM
Didn't realise he had gone to the Toulon  Tournament with Scotland, captain of the side today, drawing 1-1 with Togo
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 27, 2018, 07:19:04 PM
Didn't realise he had gone to the Toulon  Tournament with Scotland, captain of the side today, drawing 1-1 with Togo

I watched the game, didn't do much to be honest. Against such limited opposition I'd have expected him to have had more impact, especially if he is going to be a big player for us next season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on May 28, 2018, 06:40:03 AM
I'm worried about this kid, comes with a big reputation, heavy transfer fee and loads of potential.
All that said I've seen nothing on the pitch to suggest that he's going to be a top player.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 28, 2018, 07:58:08 AM
Biggest waste of money since David Mills for all you old timers
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: darbolina on May 28, 2018, 08:22:46 AM
He just needs to play week in week out for a while and I think there's a raw but powerful player in there who could scare the life out of defences in the championship if allowed a more free role to express himself than Pulis or Pardew allowed him.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on May 28, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
Biggest waste of money since David Mills for all you old timers
He's not that bad, and has potential at least. Remember Mills became the record English transfer when he joined us.
I and many others thought he was the final piece. How bitterly disappointed we were.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on May 28, 2018, 01:50:30 PM
I'm worried about this kid, comes with a big reputation, heavy transfer fee and loads of potential.
All that said I've seen nothing on the pitch to suggest that he's going to be a top player.
You can't reasonably come to ANY conclusion yet. He only made 2 starts in the league last year and a dozen or so brief cameos, not nearly enough to judge him on. Plus he has only just turned 21, so has virtually his whole professional career ahead of him. Some fans are far too quick to dismiss our younger players. As far as Oliver Burke goes, I suggest this time next year will give us a better idea of how good a player he is going to be, and this time in three years will tell us how good a player he has actually become.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 30, 2018, 07:42:42 PM
France 0-1 Scotland

Oliver Burke scores for Scotland

Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/france-vs-scotland-live-score-12622253.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 30, 2018, 08:09:04 PM
Toulon Tournament

HT France 0-1 Scotland (Burke, 34mins)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 30, 2018, 08:49:24 PM
FT France 0-1 Scotland

Appears Burke was substituted after 65mins. Unsure the reason for the substitution

Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/france-0-scotland-1-young-12624176
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2018, 08:36:14 AM
FT France 0-1 Scotland

Appears Burke was substituted after 65mins. Unsure the reason for the substitution

Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/france-0-scotland-1-young-12624176

Might be just to rest him for the last 15 mins (games are 80 minutes long) as he was replaced by another attacker and there is no mention of any injury.

Here's the goal and "highlights". Well taken goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khcwzvClEWg
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 31, 2018, 09:20:37 AM
Might be just to rest him for the last 15 mins (games are 80 minutes long) as he was replaced by another attacker and there is no mention of any injury.

Here's the goal and "highlights". Well taken goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khcwzvClEWg

Thank you for the link, as you say, he took his goal well, hope we see a good few of those next season  :).

However, watching that clip, Scotland were a tad fortunate to win. I didn't realise the games were only of 80 minutes duration. I didn't know if he had been withdrawn because of injury, hopefully, he is all good.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 31, 2018, 09:26:35 AM
got a feeling our hero/ best footballer next season
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on May 31, 2018, 09:28:57 AM
I just hope Big Dave puts his faith in him as there is an abundance of raw talent there. Needs some serious coaching but we need to invest the time into him
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2018, 11:31:14 AM
I just hope Big Dave puts his faith in him as there is an abundance of raw talent there. Needs some serious coaching but we need to invest the time into him

Couldn't agree more, we've invested £15M in him, as you say he needs some serious coaching as he is very raw but given game time and the coaching he should turn into a very decent player for us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 02, 2018, 05:45:17 PM
Oliver, again captains his country and scores their second goal against South Korea.

Well done Ollie
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 02, 2018, 05:46:46 PM
Oliver Burke, picks the ball up in the Scotland half, keeps going and going, beating several South Korean defenders, drives into the box and duly finishes. Scotland 2-0 South Korea
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 02, 2018, 07:38:05 PM
Needs some serious coaching but we need to invest the time into him
I'm sure Darren will work on his defensive side, but let's hope we also bring someone in who knows how to coach attacking play then.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 02, 2018, 10:51:25 PM
More on Ollie

Source: https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/scotland/south-korea-u21-1-2-scotland-u21-young-scots-to-face-england-1-4748907
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on June 02, 2018, 10:58:28 PM
Let him off the leash, he could cause mayhem (possibly for us, but what the hell)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: divinewind on June 02, 2018, 11:17:19 PM
Another must keep.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 03, 2018, 08:18:07 AM
"The Oliver Burke mystery.............................."

Interesting read about Ollie

Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oliver-burke-mystery-15m-stars-12637699
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on June 03, 2018, 08:41:49 AM
"The Oliver Burke mystery.............................."

Interesting read about Ollie

Source: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oliver-burke-mystery-15m-stars-12637699

Last player I read a similar assessment of was Koumas
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on June 03, 2018, 10:57:21 AM
He just needs to play games and attack the opposition. I think he might be best in the hole behind the main striker, not as a winger. Although that said Burke on one wing and Phillips on the other would scare a lot of championship teams. Too much pace and power for most of them to handle.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on June 03, 2018, 02:10:58 PM
As above from Baggie 82 I think firstly we need to nail down which role he will play the majority of the time , then build from there with him . Without doubt a massive talent but now is the time to develop him much like Leko.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 03, 2018, 02:55:45 PM
"Oliver Burke scores stunner to send Scotland U21s to semi-finals of Toulon Tournament"

There's a video clip in the link below of Ollie's solo goal

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/06/03/watch-oliver-burke-scores-stunner-to-send-scotland-u21s-to-semi-finals-of-toulon-tournament/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on June 03, 2018, 02:58:25 PM
Interesting article and sounds like he needs a mentor in the background somewhere. It took Bale quite a while to establish himself at Spurs and think he got dropped at one stage. Just hope that Burke has the mental toughness to battle through the sticky times (including injuries).

Think it's been mentioned before but 4-3-3 could suit him well in that it would free him up a bit from tracking back as we'd have more cover in midfield. Also a bit of freedom to attack from wide or through the middle. Burke and Phillips either side of a decent striker could be pretty potent, with Leko as the reserve for Burke and Phillips (there must be an injury or two between the two of them). 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scruffy Stan on June 03, 2018, 04:20:53 PM
"Oliver Burke scores stunner to send Scotland U21s to semi-finals of Toulon Tournament"

There's a video clip in the link below of Ollie's solo goal

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/06/03/watch-oliver-burke-scores-stunner-to-send-scotland-u21s-to-semi-finals-of-toulon-tournament/
Thanks for the link but I have to say that it never looks like he's got the ball under control - his pace just keeps getting him to it in the nick of time. Had expected soemthing slightly more thrilling.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gerry m on June 03, 2018, 04:34:38 PM
I hope the lad gets a chance next season but i have got to say when watching the clip the defenders and goalkeeper were awful.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 03, 2018, 05:00:04 PM
I hope the lad gets a chance next season but i have got to say when watching the clip the defenders and goalkeeper were awful.
It's the U21's team of South Korea, the FIFA ranked 61st best team in the world (Scotland is 34th) and bar one of them from what I can tell they all ply their trade in Korea.

so no, they aren't the best in the world. But you can only play against what's in front of you and it was runs like this that interested Leipzig in the first place.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tylerm on June 03, 2018, 05:34:10 PM
Not the best opposition I agree but
Would McClean have done that
Would Rondon have done that
Would Robson Kanu have done that
Would JRod have done it
Would Brunt have done that
Burke is a good prospect and needs to be a starter next year
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: telford baggie on June 03, 2018, 05:35:30 PM
Thanks for the link but I have to say that it never looks like he's got the ball under control - his pace just keeps getting him to it in the nick of time. Had expected soemthing slightly more thrilling.
id rather watch burke making runs like that than watching mcClean with no end product  every game
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OldburyWBA on June 03, 2018, 11:48:44 PM
Article about Burke in the Daily Record

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oliver-burke-mystery-15m-stars-12637699
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on June 04, 2018, 12:58:44 AM
Qu, when was last time a wba player took ball from our half to score a solo goal? I honestly cannot think of one in recent times.
This is one of the highlights of being a football fan and we have been denied this for a very long time
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie38 on June 04, 2018, 05:24:35 AM
Qu, when was last time a wba player took ball from our half to score a solo goal? I honestly cannot think of one in recent times.
This is one of the highlights of being a football fan and we have been denied this for a very long time

Ishmael miller on his debut against Preston was it?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on June 04, 2018, 06:24:26 AM
Ishmael miller on his debut against Preston was it?

Seem to remember Lukaku doing similar against Sunderland at home.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 04, 2018, 08:24:55 AM
Neither were particularly from their own half, both picked the ball up around half way and had one man to knock the ball past and storm at the goal, with Lukaku's only being the awful John O'Shea.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on June 04, 2018, 10:34:13 AM
Amalfitano Vs Man Utd surely?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: DaveWBA on June 04, 2018, 11:29:21 AM
Seem to remember Lukaku doing similar against Sunderland at home.

Doesn't really count as it went in off his arse.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on June 04, 2018, 12:00:34 PM
Qu, when was last time a wba player took ball from our half to score a solo goal? I honestly cannot think of one in recent times.
This is one of the highlights of being a football fan and we have been denied this for a very long time

To be fair, not often most of the team get to play the South Korea under 21's.

The video shows what Burke's problem will be at a higher level is though unless he gets better. His touch is loose to say the least.

Lets hope he can get away with it in the championship and use a solid season of game time to get better.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 04, 2018, 06:47:32 PM
“West Brom's Oliver Burke defends his body language at Toulon Tournament”

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/06/04/west-broms-oliver-burke-defends-his-body-language-at-toulon-tournament/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on June 04, 2018, 06:50:36 PM
Re his touch....it's not easy to have perfect control while going at full tilt. Time will tell if he needs to take his foot off the gas a bit on occasions but he does have real pace and surely must use that asset.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 06, 2018, 06:54:57 PM
Olie captains Scotland again against England.

After 18 mins score 0-0
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 06, 2018, 07:01:00 PM
Olie captains Scotland again against England.

After 18 mins score 0-0

He's hit the post 1 v 1 too
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 14, 2018, 07:55:37 PM
Read this a couple of weeks ago and forgot too put it on here. Was saved in my favorites and just came across it again.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oliver-burke-mystery-15m-stars-12637699

Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 14, 2018, 08:22:41 PM
I think this kid needs to be given some slack. He has hardly been given many opportunities since he arrived here.
The transfer fee may be a burden, but that is not his fault.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 15, 2018, 09:04:50 AM
I'd be interested to know why he got relatively little pitch time yesterday in a 120 minute game.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheBrom on July 15, 2018, 10:45:05 AM
I'd be interested to know why he got relatively little pitch time yesterday in a 120 minute game in the past 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 15, 2018, 10:48:25 AM
I'd be interested to know why he got relatively little pitch time yesterday in a 120 minute game.
im guessing because he arrives later back for ore season due to his exploits with Scotland in the toulon tournament.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on July 28, 2018, 01:18:28 AM
While he is only 21, and he is an exciting prospect still, it is alarming to realise that Burke has started only 19 games in his entire career (he only started 10 games at Forest before he left in a big money move to Germany).

To put it into perspective, Harvey Barnes has started 36 already, and Sam Field is on 11 starts with both being one year younger.

You forget just how inexperienced he is. Having 2 years where he didn't get enough game time won't have been good for his development.

Highlights that our squad is one with a lot of playerswith limited experience, and a number of other in their 30's, with little in between.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on July 28, 2018, 08:25:56 AM
You forget just how inexperienced he is. Having 2 years where he didn't get enough game time won't have been good for his development.
No it won't so, having spent £15m on him, we need to get him playing regularly to see if a run of games brings out the best of him. If he doesn't start today, then it'll be clear that Darren only sees him as a sub at this juncture. I'd like to see us try 4-2-3-1 with both Burke and Barnes playing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on July 28, 2018, 08:39:52 AM
While he is only 21, and he is an exciting prospect still, it is alarming to realise that Burke has started only 19 games in his entire career (he only started 10 games at Forest before he left in a big money move to Germany).

To put it into perspective, Harvey Barnes has started 36 already, and Sam Field is on 11 starts with both being one year younger.

You forget just how inexperienced he is. Having 2 years where he didn't get enough game time won't have been good for his development.

Highlights that our squad is one with a lot of playerswith limited experience, and a number of other in their 30's, with little in between.
There's something just doesn't sit right with him for me , can't quite put my finger on it . Needs to put down roots and play every week but also needs to earn that starting place.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on July 28, 2018, 08:52:34 AM
I find it difficult to see how Burke will get much game time while Phillips is here. For a large part of last season Phillips was fairly poor but none of the Head Coaches felt confident enough in Burke to give him a run in the side.

At 21 it might be too early to talk about a make or break season and apart from the fact he is on his 2nd big money move of his short career maybe we wouldn't be but if he doesn't feature regularly in the Championship this season it is hard to see where his career is heading. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiejohn on July 28, 2018, 09:03:06 AM
There's something just doesn't sit right with him for me , can't quite put my finger on it . Needs to put down roots and play every week but also needs to earn that starting place.

He gives me the impression that he's a maverick. I'm not sure that he fits in with a "we not me" philosophy.
I'm also not sure how he got here, just doesn't seem to be a Pulis type player.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on July 28, 2018, 09:52:18 AM
I find it difficult to see how Burke will get much game time while Phillips is here. For a large part of last season Phillips was fairly poor but none of the Head Coaches felt confident enough in Burke to give him a run in the side.

At 21 it might be too early to talk about a make or break season and apart from the fact he is on his 2nd big money move of his short career maybe we wouldn't be but if he doesn't feature regularly in the Championship this season it is hard to see where his career is heading.

I think this season in the Championship is perfect for him.  It’s where his game development is right now.  He was brilliant at Forest, and he clearly hasn’t lost his frightening pace. He needs a run of games to develop his confidence, and he’ll be fine.  He and Barnes will frighten the life out of defenders this season.  They’ll create havoc, and chances.  We just need prolific finishers to do the rest....
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on July 28, 2018, 09:53:02 AM
He has a lot of pace and power and he can beat a man but it all seems very, very raw, and so far i've seen little final product from him. It's a bit like watching Leko play but less lightweight.

Hope Moore and the other coaches can harness his obvious talent, else he will go down as our biggest dudd ever.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on July 28, 2018, 09:57:34 AM
He's one of many players who have to be ready to seize their chance when it comes....even if that's 20 minutes off the bench playing wide or through the middle. If Phillips stays, he's unlikely to stay fit through 46 games, plus games in other competitions.
Phillips has the extra factor of being top class from corners which may make him harder to leave out. Don't know what Burke is like at that part of the game ...saying that judging by clips, Burke looks pretty strong in the air for that type of player.

You'd think that plenty of championship defenders would have nightmares about someone as quick and strong as Burke appearing for the last 30 minutes of a game...he needs to be hungry for the ball and let off the leash.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 28, 2018, 11:30:11 AM
He gives me the impression that he's a maverick. I'm not sure that he fits in with a "we not me" philosophy.
I'm also not sure how he got here, just doesn't seem to be a Pulis type player.

There is a collective blame on our signings over the past few years, not one person is to blame for them all, there are some which are obvious Pulis ones and then there's others like Burke, Robson-Kanu who were obviously influenced from elsewhere
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on August 20, 2018, 05:07:21 PM
Really like this kids attitude hope he gets some minutes on the pitch sooner rather than later.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2018/08/20/west-bromwich-albion-fans-respond-to-oliver-burkes-tweet/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 20, 2018, 05:12:03 PM
There is a collective blame on our signings over the past few years, not one person is to blame for them all, there are some which are obvious Pulis ones and then there's others like Burke, Robson-Kanu who were obviously influenced from elsewhere

Didn't Pulis say he watched Burke play for Scotland under 20's at that years Toulon tournament and that was why we signed him?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on August 20, 2018, 06:36:07 PM
I'm sure there'll be plenty of clubs in this division who would wish they had him in their squads. We will soon have Chadli in reserve also as we couldn't really drop any of that front 4 at the moment.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Wigmore on August 29, 2018, 12:02:17 AM
Really like this kids attitude hope he gets some minutes on the pitch sooner rather than later.

Well, I hope he can produce more than he did tonight. I hope he proves me wrong, but imo the club could have done so much better with the money spent on OB.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: smosher34 on August 29, 2018, 01:08:30 AM
15 million we have been had over 😕
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on August 29, 2018, 06:48:29 AM
15 million we have been had over 😕

I agree on last nights showing.
Lots of huff and puff but doesn't blow the house down for me
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on August 29, 2018, 07:44:51 AM
His pace caused lots of issues last night and his play for Leko's goal deserves praise. I think he gives us a different element to our attack and he is worth a chance from the bench.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 29, 2018, 09:14:42 AM
You can see that he is such a confidence player. As soon as his confidence goes he may as well not be on the pitch. Abundance of raw talent but he needs some serious coaching to reach the level required and I still do not see us providing this.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on August 29, 2018, 09:30:42 AM
He was fine first half. Should've scored when one on one but lacked conviction but kept his head really well to lay the opener on a plate for Leko.

Second half he might as well have not bothered coming back out, the longer the half went the worse he got.

I don't quite know what to make of Burke but he's not ready for regular first team football at the moment.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 29, 2018, 09:33:38 AM
A pretty mixed bag from him last night, what you'd expect from a young player lacking minutes against a side that liked a robust challenge.

I thought he did okay generally but Mansfield should be the sort of opposition where he'd step up and dominate a game; if he's going to make it at a higher level.

As others have said he seems to be very much a confidence player, perhaps if he'd have been given more game time after hitting the winner against Luton in the previous round we'd have seen a more confident player really taking the game to Mansfield. He seemed to bottle a few 50/50's too and went down a bit too easily on a number of occasions.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on August 29, 2018, 09:45:46 AM
Cant seem him getting a run of games anytime soon (unless we have a bought of injuries/suspensions).

I think he's coming to the stage of his career now were he needs to be playing football. He hasn't played regular football since his stint at Forest really. I think if this season he isn't able to get the game time he needs I could see him pushing for a move in the summer.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on August 29, 2018, 10:10:45 AM
Cant seem him getting a run of games anytime soon (unless we have a bought of injuries/suspensions).

I think he's coming to the stage of his career now were he needs to be playing football. He hasn't played regular football since his stint at Forest really. I think if this season he isn't able to get the game time he needs I could see him pushing for a move in the summer.

And if it's a permanent move, I can't see us getting back anywhere near the reported £15m or so we paid for him
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on August 29, 2018, 10:39:59 AM
I've just seen last nights highlights and it looked like he set up a few good chances in the first half, and despite missing his one on one, he took it in his stride really well.

It does seem like the clock is ticking on his time here though. Still think its criminal that in the 7-1, players like him and Field didn't get on the pitch. If we are 2-3 goals to the good we should be giving those players time in the championship. I don't see how else they can prove themselves.

Minutes in two league cup games are never going to be enough, chances are we wont be able to play as many kids in the next round on wards.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: 17GD on August 29, 2018, 10:43:34 AM
You can see that he is such a confidence player. As soon as his confidence goes he may as well not be on the pitch. Abundance of raw talent but he needs some serious coaching to reach the level required and I still do not see us providing this.

And stupid women like the ones sat behind me last night won't help him. Their ear drum piercing screeches of "Burke you're rubbish!" every time he did something wrong won't help. And when someone shouted over "get off his back!" one of them replied "well someone's gotta tell him!"

Some people are just an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on August 29, 2018, 10:47:23 AM
And stupid women like the ones sat behind me last night won't help him. Their ear drum piercing screeches of "Burke you're rubbish!" every time he did something wrong won't help. And when someone shouted over "get off his back!" one of them replied "well someone's gotta tell him!"

Some people are just an embarrassment.


Makes me laugh when people shout at the players. Like they can hear them lol.

It's out of frustration most of the time, we're all human. I tend to try and save my abuse for the referee. Doesn't usually take them long to upset me.  ;)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on August 29, 2018, 10:54:57 AM

Makes me laugh when people shout at the players. Like they can hear them lol.

It's out of frustration most of the time, we're all human. I tend to try and save my abuse for the referee. Doesn't usually take them long to upset me.  ;)

So the players can't hear you but the ref can?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on August 29, 2018, 10:57:57 AM
So the players can't hear you but the ref can?


Yeah I know but it makes me feel better.  ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: robbo_wba on August 29, 2018, 10:58:23 AM
Was outshone by both Leko and Edwards last night. Possibly now behind both in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 29, 2018, 11:09:51 AM
Was outshone by both Leko and Edwards last night. Possibly now behind both in the pecking order.

Not sure I agree with you. I know both Leko and Edwards scored but I thought Edwards was quite poor apart from that and both were guilty of showboating when they could have played a simple pass. I'd still have Burke ahead of both.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: 17GD on August 29, 2018, 11:13:46 AM

Makes me laugh when people shout at the players. Like they can hear them lol.

It's out of frustration most of the time, we're all human. I tend to try and save my abuse for the referee. Doesn't usually take them long to upset me.  ;)

It's amazing what you can actually hear from the stands. I remember Jason Van Blerk coming over  at full time to a guy in the Halfords when he played for us. He said something along the lines of "cut the abuse, we don't need to hear it".

Was outshone by both Leko and Edwards last night. Possibly now behind both in the pecking order.

I wouldn't go that far. Leko and Edwards showed their inexperience last night. Don't get me wrong, they both played well but at times they got lost, and if they do that in the championship they'll get torn apart.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on August 29, 2018, 11:17:13 AM
I think Burke did enough in the first half to provide a hint that he can be a great impact substitute. I would implore everyone to watch the substantial highlights on the skysports website of all of our chances. Burke was quiet second half but he isn't match fit so I can gove him the benefit of the doubt. First half though he was a menace, as the highlights show.

Not yet a starter, and his best position is still debateable, but a much more exciting match changing substitute thsn HRK.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on August 29, 2018, 11:50:16 AM
Was outshone by both Leko and Edwards last night. Possibly now behind both in the pecking order.

Don't agree at all, in fact I thought Edwards was the worst player in our team along with Mears except for his goal.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 29, 2018, 11:55:03 AM
Looks like Phillips has been called up for international duty. He could get a start against the blues.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 29, 2018, 12:52:52 PM
I think we are expecting too much from the lad, and that's because of the transfer fee. I've long maintained that if you're spending £15 million of Albion's money, it needs to be on a first team ready player who can make a difference - we haven't got the luxury of spending that with potentially no return.

However it's becoming a millstone around his neck. He's just gone 21, and has played less that 100 senior games. If we had a kid coming through our academy with the same skill-set, we'd be more forgiving, and understand why he wasn't playing quite so much, and why he wasn't the finished article.

He needs more game time, but he also needs a fan base that are going to understand he's still closer to Leko than to Phillips in terms of development.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on August 29, 2018, 01:05:00 PM
I think we are expecting too much from the lad, and that's because of the transfer fee. I've long maintained that if you're spending £15 million of Albion's money, it needs to be on a first team ready player who can make a difference - we haven't got the luxury of spending that with potentially no return.

However it's becoming a millstone around his neck. He's just gone 21, and has played less that 100 senior games. If we had a kid coming through our academy with the same skill-set, we'd be more forgiving, and understand why he wasn't playing quite so much, and why he wasn't the finished article.

He needs more game time, but he also needs a fan base that are going to understand he's still closer to Leko than to Phillips in terms of development.
Well said. I think a lot of our fans forget that he has just turned 21. It's a long season and he will get some game time due to injuries and suspensions. Let's assess him after he has had a run of games. Far too soon to be writing him off. I think that he will prove to be a very good signing within a couple of years.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 29, 2018, 01:29:45 PM
He needs a run of games in the side to get a proper head of steam. He's not a striker, so I don't think it's fair to judge him too harshly when playing there. For example, he has to play with his back to goal more when playing there, but his main strength is when running at people.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiebof on August 29, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
I think we are expecting too much from the lad, and that's because of the transfer fee. I've long maintained that if you're spending £15 million of Albion's money, it needs to be on a first team ready player who can make a difference - we haven't got the luxury of spending that with potentially no return.

However it's becoming a millstone around his neck. He's just gone 21, and has played less that 100 senior games. If we had a kid coming through our academy with the same skill-set, we'd be more forgiving, and understand why he wasn't playing quite so much, and why he wasn't the finished article.

He needs more game time, but he also needs a fan base that are going to understand he's still closer to Leko than to Phillips in terms of development.

Agree with this entirely. As mentioned elsewhere, playing with his back to goal isn't a natural strength of his either so we do need to be patient.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on August 29, 2018, 02:07:41 PM
100 games at less than 21,
Our home grown kids will not get that much opportunity, indicative of poor management or poor youth players ???
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on August 29, 2018, 02:13:57 PM
Well said. I think a lot of our fans forget that he has just turned 21. It's a long season and he will get some game time due to injuries and suspensions. Let's assess him after he has had a run of games. Far too soon to be writing him off. I think that he will prove to be a very good signing within a couple of years.
Agree he has potential and needs game time, but also needs to do it in training, build Darren's faith in him.
Shows just how good Barnes is at 20 though.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: divinewind on August 29, 2018, 05:27:14 PM
He's had a lack of game time and is young and eager to impress. I think he will grow mentally with more games. You learn nothing sat on a bench.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on August 29, 2018, 06:56:29 PM
Keep off his back for now and forget about the £15m (more like £10m so far I suspect). Top notch pace, will get the odd thing wrong but could play an important role this year......and he's a totally different type to Barnes.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 30, 2018, 12:53:16 PM
He's had a lack of game time and is young and eager to impress. I think he will grow mentally with more games. You learn nothing sat on a bench.
It's interesting that our younger players aren't turning out for the U23s (although I think Edwards did play the a few weeks ago). They lost 5-1 to Liverpool in their last game, whilst the U18s were beaten 4-0 at home by Norwich a day or two later, with the starting XI in the  2 sides looking to be similar for both games.

Apart from it not looking too great quality-wise for the remainder of the players in the Academy, the younger players in the first team squad can't build up form or maintain match fitness if they don't play for more than 10 minutes now and again.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on August 30, 2018, 04:38:29 PM
It's interesting that our younger players aren't turning out for the U23s (although I think Edwards did play the a few weeks ago). They lost 5-1 to Liverpool in their last game, whilst the U18s were beaten 4-0 at home by Norwich a day or two later, with the starting XI in the  2 sides looking to be similar for both games.

Apart from it not looking too great quality-wise for the remainder of the players in the Academy, the younger players in the first team squad can't build up form or maintain match fitness if they don't play for more than 10 minutes now and again.
It is interesting. Possible reasons I can think off - maybe they are being prepared to go out on loan (doubt this as I don't think we will loan them with us still in 2 cups and time running out) - More likely reason is they are trying to give them the mentality and intensity of being fully fledged 1st team squad members. Instead of being picked for the bench in the odd game and then sent back to play with the 'kids', the only football they play will be in and around the 1st team. The obvious problem with this, like you say is enough game time.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on August 30, 2018, 04:59:27 PM
Not withstanding the fact that it looks like Darren Moore sees him as a forward when the kid is still trying to live up to being a winger,the kid must be confused
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2018, 08:14:02 PM
For the first 20 minutes in the cup game I thought to myself why doesn't this lad get more minutes coming off the bench for us? The rest of the game answered that question, his feet are simply much quicker than his brain.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 30, 2018, 08:50:07 PM
For the first 20 minutes in the cup game I thought to myself why doesn't this lad get more minutes coming off the bench for us? The rest of the game answered that question, his feet are simply much quicker than his brain.
McClean without the attitude?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Disgorger on August 31, 2018, 07:19:30 AM
McClean without the attitude?

I just don’t like the way he gives in too easily, throws his arms in the air and is totally oblivious what is happening after he has lost the ball after running into a blind alley!

We need winners and that is a defeatist attitude!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 31, 2018, 07:50:45 AM
I just don’t like the way he gives in too easily, throws his arms in the air and is totally oblivious what is happening after he has lost the ball after running into a blind alley!

We need winners and that is a defeatist attitude!
Are you sure you're not confusing him with Brunt?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: 17GD on August 31, 2018, 08:57:17 AM
I just don’t like the way he gives in too easily, throws his arms in the air and is totally oblivious what is happening after he has lost the ball after running into a blind alley!

We need winners and that is a defeatist attitude!

Be careful not to confuse "defeatist attitude" with disappointment. All footballers want to win and to me this is just an outward expression of disappointment that things haven't gone to plan. I'd much rather see a player act like this than just stroll off or not chase back. He does work hard and I think he has the pace that we lack in every league game. Yet Kanu gets in before him...
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Foster#1 on September 05, 2018, 04:50:39 PM
Withdrawn from Scotland u21 duty due to a "sore knee"

Wasn't Morrison originally diagnosed with a sore heel ?

Hopefully not serious..Burke is still very raw and at a young age. He will get chances when needed.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 01, 2018, 10:55:30 PM
Brilliant apparently for the under 23's tonight against Stoke. Ran 40 yards and curled a beauty into the top corner for our first goal, and excellent assist for the second. Ran Stoke ragged until he went off injured. The guy clearly has talent, but not even in the first team squad at the moment. Maybe DM can't fit him into a 3-5-2 formation, maybe there is a problem with attitude, or maybe something else. Whatever it is, I hope the coaches can sort it out, because if they can, I still believe he may have a big part to play over the course of this season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Andio on October 01, 2018, 10:59:46 PM
Brilliant apparently for the under 23's tonight against Stoke. Ran 40 yards and curled a beauty into the top corner for our first goal, and excellent assist for the second. Ran Stoke ragged until he went off injured. The guy clearly has talent, but not even in the first team squad at the moment. Maybe DM can't fit him into a 3-5-2 formation, maybe there is a problem with attitude, or maybe something else. Whatever it is, I hope the coaches can sort it out, because if they can, I still believe he may have a big part to play over the course of this season.

Its all very well doing it in the U23's, but the first team is a big step up.

He has talent I am sure, but something seems to be holding him back in Big Dave's eyes.

When we inevitably lose Barnes in January he could become a very important player for us with the right guidance.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 01, 2018, 11:58:29 PM
I couldn't go tonight, but I hope he can transfer this form into the first team.

Personally, I think he has been given too much too soon and he hasn't got the hunger to get to the next level.

He scored 4 in 5 at this level which got him his move from forest to rb leipzig, and that was 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: swad35 on October 02, 2018, 12:25:13 AM
Its all very well doing it in the U23's, but the first team is a big step up.

He has talent I am sure, but something seems to be holding him back in Big Dave's eyes.

When we inevitably lose Barnes in January he could become a very important player for us with the right guidance.

Just a thought wonder if Big Dave is looking at January, maybe losing Barnes, like having a new signing a fresh, keen, motivated Burke. I doubt that’s the case but nice to think we can develop our own Barnes.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 02, 2018, 11:31:42 AM
i predicted him to be our star player this season in may. give him some game time Albion
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 02, 2018, 01:31:24 PM
Just a thought wonder if Big Dave is looking at January, maybe losing Barnes, like having a new signing a fresh, keen, motivated Burke. I doubt that’s the case but nice to think we can develop our own Barnes.
He's not likely to be keen or motivated if he doesn't get on the pitch for the first team.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on October 02, 2018, 02:25:26 PM
I think the club have to make a decision on him soon.
If the coaching staff really think he is not good enough at this moment, we should loan him out in January.
Championship or even League 1 clubs,  as long as he can have bigger chance to play regularly, rather than stay here and just play in U-23 games.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on October 02, 2018, 02:32:12 PM
to be fair to the lad, all he can do is rip it up in U23's and train well, if DM doesn't give him a chance then, no-one could blame him for asking to go out on loan or for a transfer.

He has a career which is currently stalled and he has to look after number 1 under those circumstances.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 02, 2018, 04:51:42 PM
Sako in surely means Burke out?  Winger who can play up top.

I would have loved Burke to come good but think he needs to go elsewhere and make a name for himself (if he can).
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on October 02, 2018, 05:35:22 PM
Sako in surely means Burke out?  Winger who can play up top.

I would have loved Burke to come good but think he needs to go elsewhere and make a name for himself (if he can).
Play on opposite side of the park as to their natural positions so don't see it as simple as that
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on October 03, 2018, 01:56:17 PM
Sako in surely means Burke out?  Winger who can play up top.

I would have loved Burke to come good but think he needs to go elsewhere and make a name for himself (if he can).


I think one of Burke's problems is we don't know where he's best suited particularly in the system we use. I don't see him as a wing back, defensively he has no idea. I don't see him in the number ten role, I don't think he has the close control or the vision needed for that. His main asset is his pace. When both Nacer Chadli and Matt Phillips state in an interview that Burke is the fastest player they've ever played with you realise just how quick he must be. Given that you'd think he could make a striker and this for me is his best position. Saying that he's not a natural goalscorer, not the type to get on the end of crosses. He's not going to play ahead of Gayle but I'm a bit surprised to see Robson-Kanu used ahead of him. With Sako now arriving I don't see where Ollie is going to get any game time anytime soon.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on October 03, 2018, 06:59:56 PM
Burke fails to make the 18 again, despite Phillips and Sako not being there either.

Whatever we think of him, hars to see Edwards proving to be a better player than him.

Unless he is showing a really poor attitude behind the scenes, it is a queer decision. Need to line up a loan move for him now reafy for the start of January.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on October 04, 2018, 09:41:29 AM
Think you need to be the other side of thirty to get in team at the minute, I'm baffled that he can't even get in 18 maybe he should change his birth cert.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 04, 2018, 09:50:26 AM
Think you need to be the other side of thirty to get in team at the minute, I'm baffled that he can't even get in 18 maybe he should change his birth cert.

He played and scored for the U23's on Monday which would explain why he wasn't in the squad for yesterday's game.

I'm not sure he is disciplined enough to play RWB, but he maybe could come on in place of 1 of the front 2 rather than HRK but other than that I can't see where he fits into our current set up (although surely the U23's play the same formation?)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Pie on October 04, 2018, 10:04:15 AM
Come January if the situation is still the same he really needs to be loaned out.

Either to hopefully get some experience so he can come back and have more of a chance at playing in our first team, or so we can at least get back most of what we paid for him. A club like ours cant afford £15m to be playing in the under 23's.

Personally I wish he was given some more game time here - it must be so hard to prove what you can do in 10 mins off the bench (which he isn't even getting now). There must be part of your brain that is desperate to make an impression so you try things that maybe you wouldn't if you had more time on the pitch in order to show what you can do - if it doesn't come off then it makes you look like a bad player.

That said maybe he genuinely isn't good enough - we just don't know at this moment in time.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 04, 2018, 10:51:19 AM
Watching Harvey Barnes should make it clear to the likes of Burke and Leko what they need to work on i.e. the end product is all important. I don't think they'll ever be as good as Barnes as he is like a cross between Bale (surging runs and strong shooting) and James Morrison (clever touches) (ok strange combination that).

It's hard to coach the awareness of players around you part but I hope that Graeme Jones is spending plenty of time with Burke, Leko and Edwards on assessing options as they get to the edge of the box. Burke took the right option for the U23's the other night anyway.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on October 04, 2018, 12:48:08 PM
Come January if the situation is still the same he really needs to be loaned out.

Either to hopefully get some experience so he can come back and have more of a chance at playing in our first team, or so we can at least get back most of what we paid for him. A club like ours cant afford £15m to be playing in the under 23's.

Personally I wish he was given some more game time here - it must be so hard to prove what you can do in 10 mins off the bench (which he isn't even getting now). There must be part of your brain that is desperate to make an impression so you try things that maybe you wouldn't if you had more time on the pitch in order to show what you can do - if it doesn't come off then it makes you look like a bad player.

That said maybe he genuinely isn't good enough - we just don't know at this moment in time.

I think the reason he doesn't get into the squad as much as anything is based on what the coaches see day in day out in training. Either attitude, application or ability.
Three managers haven't put team into the side on a regular basis either.
Now I know we're all clamouring to see the kids given a chance, but the coaches see what they can do every day in training.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on October 04, 2018, 01:15:26 PM
Agree with a lotnof what has been said in the last few posts.

Point remains though  - Burke, Leko, Field and Harper were not part of Moore's plans at the end of August and probably wont be until January. Atleast 2 of them should have gone on loan but instead we panicked and couldn't make a decision. We can't as a club afford to throw potential like that away. We need to prove to our players that we do have a plan for their development, else we will have more Tyler Roberts /Romaine Sawyers / Keemar Roofe situations.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 04, 2018, 01:44:03 PM
Field is part of Moore's plans, although they obviously have some doubts about him playing CM, but he is on the bench and should get his chance with a few injuries.  I thought Harper might overtake him in the pecking order but that hasn't happened yet, maybe he will go back out at some point and will do if we can make a marquee midfield signing in Jan.  Edwards has taken the bench place ahead of Leko who was only kept as insurance due to the thin nature of the squad and Sako's arrival should see him now loaned out when possible. 

This is Burke's post and he is the conundrum......fatally overpriced purely on potential which is not his fault.  However, a succession of managers including TP, GM, AP and now Darren Moore have not considered him good enough even for the bench.  As a fan he seems to have everything you need; pace, strength, height, speed BUT maybe whatever it takes to make a top level professional? Oli just doesn't have it at the moment and may never (I'm guessing he is the same player now he was at 17??).

Playing Barnes shows that if you have got what it takes you will play.....but he sets a high bar.   Roberts was not ready for the top division, but I think could have been an integral part of this squad....a real shame that Leeds came sniffing.  Sawyers and Roofe?  Needed to continue their development in lower league first team football and have taken the old fashioned route back towards the top, but would either really flourish in the PL?? not sure.   Would you want to spend £5m + now on each?? not sure again.  It does again though illustrate how much we over payed for Oli.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 04, 2018, 04:00:27 PM
Talking about loaning them out but there is a genuine question about what's best for them which is difficult for us to answer.

Our coaching staff will know what their weaknesses are and will hopefully be working to address those weaknesses and become the players we need and suited to our style. If they are with us, they have DM, GJ etc managing their development under our control. Loan them out and yes they'll get game time but they may just carry on the same bad habits. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on October 04, 2018, 04:49:23 PM
Is sitting on the bench for a few weeks (Sam Field) going to help make the move onto the pitch with 1st team easier than playing in U23's ? (Olly Burke)

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 04, 2018, 06:13:33 PM
With Burke I would be very surprised if there was any attitude problem. He seems to really want to get game time, even if it is with the under 23's for us and Scotland and any time I've seen him he comes across as very level headed for a 21 year old. He has the ability, speed, good shot with both feet, can dribble. Why he seems to be excluded is a mystery.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on October 04, 2018, 06:34:20 PM
With Burke I would be very surprised if there was any attitude problem. He seems to really want to get game time, even if it is with the under 23's for us and Scotland and any time I've seen him he comes across as very level headed for a 21 year old. He has the ability, speed, good shot with both feet, can dribble. Why he seems to be excluded is a mystery.
Last time we saw anything like this was with Fatboy after his off field exploits, but he wasn’t (as far as I recall allowed to be around the kids either), so yes it’s a bit baffling
Can only be that he is not deemed good enough or he is a political pawn of some kind
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 04, 2018, 08:11:29 PM
With Burke I would be very surprised if there was any attitude problem. He seems to really want to get game time, even if it is with the under 23's for us and Scotland and any time I've seen him he comes across as very level headed for a 21 year old. He has the ability, speed, good shot with both feet, can dribble. Why he seems to be excluded is a mystery.
Agree, from what I've read and heard he is an intelligent and thoughtful lad, if anything too quiet.  He is wasting his career here, needs to be loaned out like so many of our other players should have been in August while we clogged the squad up with freebies.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Nathan on October 04, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
With Burke I would be very surprised if there was any attitude problem. He seems to really want to get game time, even if it is with the under 23's for us and Scotland and any time I've seen him he comes across as very level headed for a 21 year old. He has the ability, speed, good shot with both feet, can dribble. Why he seems to be excluded is a mystery.

Go back to page 17 on this thread and there is a link posted on there to a Daily Record article from the 3rd June this year titled 'The Oliver Burke Mystery'. I think that says it all about him to be fair and that there is more than an hint of an attitude problem with this young man. 'Too much too soon' is the general theme. I'll post the link again to save people going back through the pages.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oliver-burke-mystery-15m-stars-12637699
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 05, 2018, 04:04:40 AM
Go back to page 17 on this thread and there is a link posted on there to a Daily Record article from the 3rd June this year titled 'The Oliver Burke Mystery'. I think that says it all about him to be fair and that there is more than an hint of an attitude problem with this young man. 'Too much too soon' is the general theme. I'll post the link again to save people going back through the pages.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/oliver-burke-mystery-15m-stars-12637699

Thanks for that link, it basically confirms what I wrote above.

We can only hope he turns it around and proves why he is the most expensive Scottish player to date.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on October 05, 2018, 06:46:22 AM
Thanks for that link, it basically confirms what I wrote above.

We can only hope he turns it around and proves why he is the most expensive Scottish player to date.

because some daft twerp in our recruitment department got one too many noughts on the cheque that's why.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 05, 2018, 10:32:44 AM
Darren Moore's words about Burke this week...."He's a wonderful player, a good man, we're working hard together".

I don't think we should label him as having some attitude problem on the strength of a newspaper article. There are different personalities and if he's more of a loner or whatever than others then it's not a hanging offence.

Moore and Jones have only been together for 3 months at most and I suspect that a lot of coaching work is being done with the likes of Burke, Leko, Edwards and other young players which is why not many have gone out on loan.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on October 05, 2018, 10:37:12 AM
I spend more minutes reading about this bloke on here than he's had on the pitch since we signed him! Proving to be a real enigma.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on October 05, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
Darren Moore's words about Burke this week...."He's a wonderful player, a good man, we're working hard together".

I don't think we should label him as having some attitude problem on the strength of a newspaper article. There are different personalities and if he's more of a loner or whatever than others then it's not a hanging offence.

Moore and Jones have only been together for 3 months at most and I suspect that a lot of coaching work is being done with the likes of Burke, Leko, Edwards and other young players which is why not many have gone out on loan.

Didn't Tone utter the same sort of dialogue about the fat one?
Managers don't always tell it exactly as it is.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Nathan on October 05, 2018, 01:12:26 PM
Didn't Tone utter the same sort of dialogue about the fat one?
Managers don't always tell it exactly as it is.

Exactly, particularly as we are more than likely going to be looking to recoup a chunk of the £15 million we have wasted and we aren't going to be in the business of scaring off potential buyers. Darren Moore has already this season 'talked up' below par performances and I think this statement in praising and talking up Burke is another example of his type of man-management.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 05, 2018, 06:18:40 PM
Exactly, particularly as we are more than likely going to be looking to recoup a chunk of the £15 million we have wasted and we aren't going to be in the business of scaring off potential buyers. Darren Moore has already this season 'talked up' below par performances and I think this statement in praising and talking up Burke is another example of his type of man-management.
It was a fee 'rising to £15m' according to Matt Wilson so we are probably talking more like £10m the way it stands. Correct DM is hardly likely to say 'he's crap' and personally I think he'll prove he's not crap.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 05, 2018, 08:46:48 PM
It was a fee 'rising to £15m' according to Matt Wilson so we are probably talking more like £10m the way it stands. Correct DM is hardly likely to say 'he's crap' and personally I think he'll prove he's not crap.
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I try to cling onto that undisclosed fee being a down payment of £6m rising to £15m when he wins the fifa player of the year.

Imo we were not in a position to gamble with him when we did when we had a forward line that was terrible.

I like us to have 4 strikers whereas we had one striker and rondon when we bought Burke.

Hrk is winger turned false forward.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tommcneill on October 05, 2018, 10:06:46 PM
I think there is a real player in there, he could very easily be our very own Harvey Barnes if he can get some consistency

He has bags of pace and is strong, i think he lacks technically i.e. understanding of the game and application of that. He has skill but I see a James Milner style player in him eventually
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 05, 2018, 10:27:40 PM
I think there is a real player in there, he could very easily be our very own Harvey Barnes if he can get some consistency

He has bags of pace and is strong, i think he lacks technically i.e. understanding of the game and application of that. He has skill but I see a James Milner style player in him eventually

I see a Dale Jennings kind of player unfortunately.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on October 06, 2018, 12:28:00 AM
I see a Dale Jennings kind of player unfortunately.
Having read some of the comments on here about him, more Norman Wisdom. ☺️
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 06, 2018, 12:58:02 AM
Having read some of the comments on here about him, more Norman Wisdom. ☺️

Any normal wisdom would have made us steer clear.

After all we were basically told he could not follow instructions on the pitch.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on October 06, 2018, 03:29:11 AM
Any normal wisdom would have made us steer clear.

After all we were basically told he could not follow instructions on the pitch.
Doesn't that make it all the more bizarre that Pulis would sign him and at that price. Nothing makes sense about the whole Burke purchase.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 06, 2018, 06:52:32 AM
Any normal wisdom would have made us steer clear.

After all we were basically told he could not follow instructions on the pitch.
So how do we know we were told this ?.... and who would have told us ?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 06, 2018, 07:07:00 AM
Doesn't that make it all the more bizarre that Pulis would sign him and at that price.
Isn't TP's career dogged by these sorts of things?
He is known to be very 'old school' isn't he?
Lot's of dark rumours about some of the stuff that goes on around him that are probably quite libelous to repeat on an open forum.
Just think back to his issues with Palace 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: darbolina on October 06, 2018, 08:09:18 AM
Burke is 21, one year older than Sam Field who we still talk about as needing development and loans to get games under his belt.

Burke to me looks to have raw ability but is a bit wild/ unpredictable and has stagnated for a few years now.

Either we play him, loan him out or sell him for what we can to get his game time and thus experience/ confidence up. Personally, I'd loan him out to another championship club so he can play every week. we can then see what he can do.

Otherwise, we're wasting more money and time on him. Still, 15m, even by Pulis's standards of wasting our money now seems to be about 10m too much even in today's market and was based on about 15 good games for Forest because it doesn't look like he much in Germany either?



Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 06, 2018, 01:00:59 PM
So how do we know we were told this ?.... and who would have told us ?

It came out in the press and surely whoever scouted him would have known what the German press was saying.

It would not surprise if there were brown envelopes involved in this deal. A certain somebody had a massive legal bill and compo to pay and I will never get why a loan was first mooted, and made the most sense after the terrible year he had in Germany, and then a permanent deal for a massive fee.

I know we were implicated in the Albrectson deal years ago so it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

I think the Alardyce England scandal and the whole panorama program on him and his son that that generation of manager isn't a averse to a under the table payment.

And allegedly the person wasn' t a paragon of virtue judging by his actions at Gillingham and Palace.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 06, 2018, 09:23:24 PM
It came out in the press and surely whoever scouted him would have known what the German press was saying.

It would not surprise if there were brown envelopes involved in this deal. A certain somebody had a massive legal bill and compo to pay and I will never get why a loan was first mooted, and made the most sense after the terrible year he had in Germany, and then a permanent deal for a massive fee.

I know we were implicated in the Albrectson deal years ago so it isn't beyond the realms of possibility.

I think the Alardyce England scandal and the whole panorama program on him and his son that that generation of manager isn't a averse to a under the table payment.

And the person wasn' t a paragon of virtue judging by his actions at Gillingham and Palace.
It's not beyond the realms of possibility but it's also a bit of a long shot. You've obviously got your teeth into this one. Personally I hope and  think, given a decent opportunity, Burke will come to prove himself.... whether it's with us or someone else.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 06, 2018, 10:02:46 PM
I haven't got my teeth into anything other than a chocolate orange.

Just cannot believe how bad a player he is for the price paid for him.

He cannot make the bench in the championship.

I wish and pray that he comes good, it's  just I have seen nothing at all to get me excited that he will come good as he has been bad in the u23 games I saw last season.

He is fast but so is Usain bolt who thinks he can play pro football too. He came in with reputation that he play the wing and upfront but he cannot play at all to date.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 06, 2018, 10:16:23 PM
Just a question re him not being on the bench. This home grown player rule is a bit complex and I'm not sure about it. Do Edwards or Leko get picked ahead of him on the bench because of that rule and the fact that they are genuine club academy products ?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 06, 2018, 10:29:29 PM
Just a question re him not being on the bench. This home grown player rule is a bit complex and I'm not sure about it. Do Edwards or Leko get picked ahead of him on the bench because of that rule and the fact that they are genuine club academy products ?

I thought it was British players not home grown ones.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 06, 2018, 10:42:37 PM
I thought it was British players not home grown ones.

https://www.footballtradedirectory.com/efl-clubs-agree-to-matchday-squad-rule-change

Its 7 home-grown plus 1 club developed registered with the club for at least 1 year before the end of his u19 season hence why one of Field, Harper, Leko or Edwards is always on the bench plus Rogers was in the cup game against Mansfield
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 06, 2018, 10:52:57 PM
I had hoped to see Tulloch in the match day squad as was very impressed by him in the u23 last season.

I think he even made a matchday squad last season.

We need a box to box mulumbu type player as the biggest priority in Jan, for hopefully a mulumbu type of price too.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on October 14, 2018, 02:46:56 PM
NO surprise but WBA want to sell Burke. Alan Nixon of the Sun said on twitter, decent amount of interest even some Prem clubs.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on October 14, 2018, 03:40:40 PM
His value at thisvstage will be £5-£7 million. Disastrous handling. Should have gone on loan.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on October 14, 2018, 03:42:33 PM
15m for him was sheer insanity from the board (whats new?)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on October 14, 2018, 03:49:38 PM
For an outlay of £15m we can do better
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 14, 2018, 05:13:24 PM
NO surprise but WBA want to sell Burke. Alan Nixon of the Sun said on twitter, decent amount of interest even some Prem clubs.
Any journalist with an ounce of imagination could have come to that conclusion based on the fact that he isn't getting into the first team squad. The lack of any quotes from our club and the other clubs mentioned, and the lack of any supporting evidence whatsoever, show it up for what it is - the usual Sun made up nonsense
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on October 14, 2018, 06:44:17 PM
Any journalist with an ounce of imagination could have come to that conclusion based on the fact that he isn't getting into the first team squad. The lack of any quotes from our club and the other clubs mentioned, and the lack of any supporting evidence whatsoever, show it up for what it is - the usual Sun made up nonsense


Agreed.

I mean seriously can anyone really see Spurs wanting Burke?

Nonsense.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 14, 2018, 07:37:11 PM
15m for him was sheer insanity from the board (whats new?)
According to Matt Wilson at the time it was a fee rising to £15m. Calling it £10m is going to be a lot closer, it could even have been less than that knowing how these things work.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on October 14, 2018, 08:22:16 PM

Agreed.

I mean seriously can anyone really see Spurs wanting Burke?

Nonsense.


Who said Spurs were in for him? 

Maybe it's not such a far flung thought a premier club wants him. After all we did
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on October 14, 2018, 08:24:42 PM

Who said Spurs were in for him? 

Maybe it's not such a far flung thought a premium club wants him. After all we dis


it was on social media this morning. Spurs, Newcastle and Brighton were mentioned.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 14, 2018, 09:37:36 PM
Our failure to nurture his talent has been extremely disappointing
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on October 14, 2018, 09:48:05 PM
Our failure to nurture his talent has been extremely disappointing
Mixed feelings for me , I can still see the same flaws he had at Forest despite two moves and a number of managers . Something, somewhere isn't quite right , I can understand Pulis and Pardew but most players seem to respond to Moore so far.
Maybe its not down to the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on October 14, 2018, 09:59:07 PM
There you go, time will tell. If we did whats to say no one else will. For certain though no one will pay what we stupidly did.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: dan7heman on October 14, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
He will get his chance.. keep him I'd say.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBArgo on October 14, 2018, 10:37:06 PM
If he were to be sold (and therefore make no impact for us) then he'd have to be our worst ever transfer based on his lack of game time and the fact that the £15 million could have easily improved us enough to get survival in the Premier League if spent more wisely.

Out of interest did Pulis go for him or was it the board? Whoever targeted him needs the sack!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on October 14, 2018, 10:41:16 PM
When we signed him I was not against it. His time at Forest showed a lot of potential but he never struck me as a Pulis player and never worth 15m even in today's inflated market.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 15, 2018, 09:50:59 AM
From the recent match reports he's been playing well and scoring for the under 23's.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on October 15, 2018, 10:01:33 AM
I really think he should at least be on the bench instead of HRK
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 15, 2018, 10:26:33 AM
I really think he should at least be on the bench instead of HRK
Different kind of player to HRK though; wouldn't be an exact swap tactically.

There have been times when his pace would have been a good option off the bench though, especially when we've tried to sit back and preserve a lead. He would give us the ability to take any clearances into the opposition half and relieve a bit of pressure.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on October 15, 2018, 10:31:51 AM

it was on social media this morning. Spurs, Newcastle and Brighton were mentioned.

I think that it would be a mistake to sell him without giving him a good run in our 1st team. Spurs are no fools and if they are sniffing around then they can clearly see something that we can't.........so play him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 15, 2018, 10:38:12 AM
I'm not sure we are looking to sell him, an unsupported story in the Sun and some online things aren't exactly reliable sources.

He is getting game time with the U23's, which unless I'm mistaken is where we develop players and also get them up to match fitness so that when they are called upon they will be ready. I'd be surprised if he's not on the bench between now and the heavy build up leading into the new year.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 15, 2018, 10:40:46 AM
Mixed feelings for me , I can still see the same flaws he had at Forest despite two moves and a number of managers . Something, somewhere isn't quite right , I can understand Pulis and Pardew but most players seem to respond to Moore so far.
Maybe its not down to the coaching staff.

There's responding to Moore, then there is actual coaching. Our defence looks just as shambolic now as it did when Darren first started using the three at the back, I see a distinct lack of any coaching going on at our place. Burke has a lot of raw talent, so does Field, neither of them seem to be improving from what I have seen of them thus far.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 15, 2018, 10:58:04 AM
I'm not sure we are looking to sell him, an unsupported story in the Sun and some online things aren't exactly reliable sources.

He is getting game time with the U23's, which unless I'm mistaken is where we develop players and also get them up to match fitness so that when they are called upon they will be ready. I'd be surprised if he's not on the bench between now and the heavy build up leading into the new year.
Spot on, I think and hope that you are right.

Just out of interest, why was this part of the thread moved to the "transfer forum" section on the basis of some complete conjecture silliness in the Sun? It's not as if anyone has actually said anything.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on October 15, 2018, 11:17:05 AM
There's responding to Moore, then there is actual coaching. Our defence looks just as shambolic now as it did when Darren first started using the three at the back, I see a distinct lack of any coaching going on at our place. Burke has a lot of raw talent, so does Field, neither of them seem to be improving from what I have seen of them thus far.
Then maybe thats whats missing with Burke , I've never thought much to Livermore , Gibbs or Phillips effort wise pre Moore . All three of those are busting a gut for Moore now , I've no proof but maybe thats what Burke has been lacking under a number of managers now at a few clubs.
Will agree on Field , I find his lack of games frustrating.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 15, 2018, 11:41:17 AM
He will get his chance.. keep him I'd say.


I agree, most players are affected by tony pulis football
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on October 15, 2018, 11:41:58 AM
There's responding to Moore, then there is actual coaching. Our defence looks just as shambolic now as it did when Darren first started using the three at the back, I see a distinct lack of any coaching going on at our place. Burke has a lot of raw talent, so does Field, neither of them seem to be improving from what I have seen of them thus far.

But how much of them have you seen?, its a bit harsh making judgements on them or the coaching when we haven't seen them play (isn't it?)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on October 15, 2018, 11:43:58 AM
Could this be an agent led story ?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 15, 2018, 11:53:08 AM
But how much of them have you seen?, its a bit harsh making judgements on them or the coaching when we haven't seen them play (isn't it?)

Saw them in the cup games as they are the only chance I have had to see them playing 'proper' football, as the under 23 league is truly pointless.

I have seen our defence in every game this season...
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 15, 2018, 12:08:35 PM
Spot on, I think and hope that you are right.

Just out of interest, why was this part of the thread moved to the "transfer forum" section on the basis of some complete conjecture silliness in the Sun? It's not as if anyone has actually said anything.

because unfounded or not it is still about a potential transfer.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on October 15, 2018, 12:13:26 PM
Saw them in the cup games as they are the only chance I have had to see them playing 'proper' football, as the under 23 league is truly pointless.

I have seen our defence in every game this season...

A couple of things
a) Defence, DM has been very open in admitting that there has been very little time for coaching with the schedule to date, obviously the international break will have helped here (I don't think any of our defenders will have been away with national squads)

b) U23 league is the only option available apart from bench warming, which (in my view) cannot help players develop, I agree its far from ideal, but its all there is. (The midland clubs should bring back the central league, for younger members benefit, this was a "reserve league" which was very useful for bringing kids on and getting injured players match fit and being a midlands based league there was usually a bit of competitiveness about it)

c) I firmly believe that DM is being pragmatic in using the squad he has in the most suitable formation he can, if he had different players available I feel sure he would change it around, and its very hard to argue that it isn't working.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on October 15, 2018, 01:22:40 PM
Different kind of player to HRK though; wouldn't be an exact swap tactically.

There have been times when his pace would have been a good option off the bench though, especially when we've tried to sit back and preserve a lead. He would give us the ability to take any clearances into the opposition half and relieve a bit of pressure.
Yes, HRK is obviously seen as a "hold up" man, but Rodriguez or Phillips could go into that role if needed - Burke would give us that extra option off the bench as you say.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: graka on October 15, 2018, 11:29:39 PM
I keep hearing how hard we are working on Harvey Barnes in training to improve him .
I hope we are giving Burke as much time and dedication to improve him.
Reminds me a little of Theo Walcott. Too much pace sometimes, but that is a gift you can utilise 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 15, 2018, 11:52:45 PM
I don't know how true this actually is, but radio wm football phone in's Franks said Newcastle are preparing a bid for Burke.

I hope this is true and we get at least half the money we wasted on him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on October 15, 2018, 11:56:20 PM
I don't know how true this actually is, but radio wm football phone in's Franks said Newcastle are preparing a bid for Burke.

I hope this is true and we get at least half the money we wasted on him.

Don't know about preparing a bid but the rumour is that Newcastle, Tottenham and one other have been scouting him.

Agent speaks with forked tongue perhaps?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on October 16, 2018, 01:14:51 AM
This is very odd. The usual pattern is kid gets big money move too early it does not pan out moves to another club does not work there (for whatever reason) they move on probably to a lower level club possibly on loan.

 Yet here is Olly Burke being courted by 3 Premier League clubs one of whom is in the Champions League. We are completely clueless and absolutely have no idea of the talent we have on our hands or maybe we do given we shelled out a hefty fee for him but just lack the wisdom to actually use it. The alternative is this is a load of nonsense cooked up by an agent who has already moved the player twice on the basis of a highlights reel that is now 2 seasons old and growing older by the week.

For what it is worth I feel sorry for him. Things are not working the fee is not his fault and the signing was typical of the muddle headed thinking that has engulfed the club over recent times. In short you don't spend £15m or £10m rising to £15m unless that player is a first team player with a clear role to fulfil and let's face it that was not the case and everything else stems from that basic flaw.

I hope that there is some substance in the rumours we get our money back and Burke gets his career back on track some place else but I fear there is nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: chipperclark on October 16, 2018, 02:37:39 AM
 ;D Need to send him out in January to a "lower" Chump club....see how he goes with game time.....then assess in May his progress or lack of.

Also get him playing for the Under 23 's up until then and monitor his performances.

May be a "player" in there with the right "nurturing" :D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on October 16, 2018, 07:57:22 AM
i'd only be selling him if we could buy Barnes with the money
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: ashdoy on October 16, 2018, 01:53:53 PM
Useless, get rid ASAP.

More of a waste of money than Chadli and that was hard to beat!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on October 16, 2018, 03:22:16 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if raffa did want him,par for his course in signing duds like rondon,get a straight swap for Gayle if there's any truth in it
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on October 16, 2018, 03:58:14 PM
Don't know about preparing a bid but the rumour is that Newcastle, Tottenham and one other have been scouting him.

That must be a bit tricky unless they turn up at the training ground!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 16, 2018, 04:13:09 PM
Useless, get rid ASAP.

More of a waste of money than Chadli and that was hard to beat!
So, from thinking that he would be good in the Championship, you have now decided that he is useless. Based on what? One and a half games in the EFL cup, when he scored once and had one assist?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on October 16, 2018, 07:30:33 PM
I say three different managers he hasn't played Ok While Pardew era was a bit chaotic Pullis signed him and never played him and Now Moore while yes Moore played him once in the cup and he did alright why didn't try to play him more often, maybe an attitude problem with him maybe not matured yet
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 16, 2018, 09:15:11 PM
I say three different managers he hasn't played Ok While Pardew era was a bit chaotic Pullis signed him and never played him and Now Moore while yes Moore played him once in the cup and he did alright why didn't try to play him more often, maybe an attitude problem with him maybe not matured yet
This is not true. He played or was on the bench more often than not under both Pulis and Pardew. And no sign of any attitude problem under either of them. Not quite ready for the Premier League last year but not far away. Now another year more experienced and a league lower, I would have expected him to feature more rather than less.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: jimmyj on October 17, 2018, 03:06:42 PM
Would be daft to sell him for a loss I think.
Keep him. Develop him. Its clear he has raw potential there, we just need to find a way to coach it out of him. Think about the long term for a change. It took quite a few seasons before Dawson became a steady ever-present.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: elminius on October 17, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
Would be daft to sell him for a loss I think.
Keep him. Develop him. Its clear he has raw potential there, we just need to find a way to coach it out of him. Think about the long term for a change. It took quite a few seasons before Dawson became a steady ever-present.

How much did Dawson cost to give us time to develop him and not worry about any sell on fee if it didnt work? Compared to a 15 million loss if burke just runs down his contract. He has been at the club more than long enough training every day for the coaches to know what potential he has and whether to keep or cut and run? Very fast!  ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: darbolina on October 17, 2018, 07:03:40 PM
I've honestly seen nothing to place him above say Leko? He's raw but if we can get our money back and invest in midfield then I'd do it all day long.

He'll probably become a decent player eventually but he does seem as though he could go the other way to and just slip out of sight. He doesn't seem the most driven personality from interviews (which sounds harsh I know) .

Maybe he needs a bit of luck, an injury to someone else for e.g. which forces him into the team. Why don't we loan him out though, he badly needs first team games.............unless there's something else we don't know about?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on October 18, 2018, 12:48:10 AM
Never been given a chance by any one of our head coaches.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Wigmore on October 18, 2018, 01:23:39 AM
Never been given a chance by any one of our head coaches.
Perhaps because all of them have struggled to find a suitable role for his fleeting talents?
Who would he replace in the current line-up?
Mears? No - that is Phillips's place, when fit.
So, were is he to play?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on October 18, 2018, 10:10:23 AM
Never been given a chance by any one of our head coaches.
3 very different coaches with very different styles and attitudes, in 2 very different leagues. The common denominator is him I'm afraid.
Whatever the reason, he just doesn't seem up to it. Think we will cut our losses in January.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 18, 2018, 10:11:42 AM
Perhaps because all of them have struggled to find a suitable role for his fleeting talents?
Who would he replace in the current line-up?
Mears? No - that is Phillips's place, when fit.
So, were is he to play?
Instead of Mears when Philips isn't fit or needs a rest or loses form. Also as an impact sub, as he was generally for both Pulis and Pardew.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 18, 2018, 10:17:07 AM
3 very different coaches with very different styles and attitudes, in 2 very different leagues. The common denominator is him I'm afraid.
Whatever the reason, he just doesn't seem up to it. Think we will cut our losses in January.
Unbelievable to me that you and one or two others are writing him off at Championship level when he has played just a few minutes in the first match. There just isn't any evidence for what you are saying.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on October 18, 2018, 10:32:21 AM
Unbelievable to me that you and one or two others are writing him off at Championship level when he has played just a few minutes in the first match. There just isn't any evidence for what you are saying.
There's no evidence to back up what you are saying either though is there? As you say, he's played only a few minutes, so how can you say he should be picked.
I have been a big supporter of Burke since he got here and have echoed your sentiments many times that he should be used as an impact sub or start ahead of the likes of Mears and HRK but, we have to face facts that, as I said, for whatever reason, Moore and Jones are just the latest to decide that they don't fancy him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 18, 2018, 11:13:13 AM
There's no evidence to back up what you are saying either though is there? As you say, he's played only a few minutes, so how can you say he should be picked.
I have been a big supporter of Burke since he got here and have echoed your sentiments many times that he should be used as an impact sub or start ahead of the likes of Mears and HRK but, we have to face facts that, as I said, for whatever reason, Moore and Jones are just the latest to decide that they don't fancy him.
Well. a couple of points in reply. Firstly, I didn't say that he shouldbe picked, so your argument falls a bit flat. I still think it is wrong to say he isn't up to it, when we have virtually no evidence one way or the other. The little evidence we do have (cup matches, under 23's, Scotland under 23's) he seems to be doing quite well, scored a few and some assists. Yes, DM isn't picking him for even the squad at the minute, and there must be a reason for that, but I, like many others, are a bit in the dark as to the reasons. Both Pulis and Pardew picked him regularly in the match day squads in the Prem, so people who say "three managers didn't fancy him" are just factually wrong. As I said in an above post, with another years experience since Pulis and a lower division, I would have thought he would be more involved and I'm mystified why he isn't.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 18, 2018, 11:31:49 AM
Well. a couple of points in reply. Firstly, I didn't say that he shouldbe picked, so your argument falls a bit flat. I still think it is wrong to say he isn't up to it, when we have virtually no evidence one way or the other. The little evidence we do have (cup matches, under 23's, Scotland under 23's) he seems to be doing quite well, scored a few and some assists. Yes, DM isn't picking him for even the squad at the minute, and there must be a reason for that, but I, like many others, are a bit in the dark as to the reasons. Both Pulis and Pardew picked him regularly in the match day squads in the Prem, so people who say "three managers didn't fancy him" are just factually wrong. As I said in an above post, with another years experience since Pulis and a lower division, I would have thought he would be more involved and I'm mystified why he isn't.

Does the little evidence say that?

I wasn't thrilled when we signed him and I said as much. In a summer where our business seemed to have been very good (hindsight shows it maybe wasn't) he seemed a strange signing, especially at the reported price.

However this season I've been an advocate of giving him a chance. I'm sure he is worthy of at least a chance in the league when games are going well for us. The evidence hasn't been great though has it. In the cup he's had a couple of decent spells but also been anonymous for much of the games, against lower opposition,  U23's he has scored a decent goal but ive seen questionable reviews and he hasnt made the recent Scotland U21's. Having played in the senior and the U21's previously, his last caps seem to have been at U20.



Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on October 18, 2018, 11:41:51 AM
Well. a couple of points in reply. Firstly, I didn't say that he shouldbe picked, so your argument falls a bit flat. I still think it is wrong to say he isn't up to it, when we have virtually no evidence one way or the other. The little evidence we do have (cup matches, under 23's, Scotland under 23's) he seems to be doing quite well, scored a few and some assists. Yes, DM isn't picking him for even the squad at the minute, and there must be a reason for that, but I, like many others, are a bit in the dark as to the reasons. Both Pulis and Pardew picked him regularly in the match day squads in the Prem, so people who say "three managers didn't fancy him" are just factually wrong. As I said in an above post, with another years experience since Pulis and a lower division, I would have thought he would be more involved and I'm mystified why he isn't.

Sorry but that's manipulating the facts to suit your argument. The statement that "three managers didn't fancy him" is absolutely factually correct because he got next to no game time, even though the team couldn't win a raffle. To suggest that either Pulis or Pardew held him in high regards is just not true.

For the record, and as I have already stated, I had high hopes for him and agree that we don't know the reason why he hasn't cut it but, however you dress it up, the truth is he hasn't.
Crying shame in my opinion but still think we'll cut our losses in Jan.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on October 18, 2018, 12:18:46 PM
Sorry but that's manipulating the facts to suit your argument. The statement that "three managers didn't fancy him" is absolutely factually correct because he got next to no game time, even though the team couldn't win a raffle. To suggest that either Pulis or Pardew held him in high regards is just not true.

For the record, and as I have already stated, I had high hopes for him and agree that we don't know the reason why he hasn't cut it but, however you dress it up, the truth is he hasn't.
Crying shame in my opinion but still think we'll cut our losses in Jan.

I hope we cut our losses in Jan and find another sicker to pay money for him, as I can see him turning into a nobody running his big contract down like Winston Bogarde before disappearing into oblivion.

Imo the best we can hope for is a loan to perm, which we should have insisted on, after which he fails wherever he goes and come back to us to do more of nothing.

And this is not based on wanting this scenario, it's based on how bad he actually is to date.

I hope becomes great for us for any other club he goes on loan to.

One things for sure he's the new poster boy for not letting a manager decide who to buy without consultation with the dof.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 18, 2018, 05:12:34 PM
Does the little evidence say that?

I wasn't thrilled when we signed him and I said as much. In a summer where our business seemed to have been very good (hindsight shows it maybe wasn't) he seemed a strange signing, especially at the reported price.

However this season I've been an advocate of giving him a chance. I'm sure he is worthy of at least a chance in the league when games are going well for us. The evidence hasn't been great though has it. In the cup he's had a couple of decent spells but also been anonymous for much of the games, against lower opposition,  U23's he has scored a decent goal but ive seen questionable reviews and he hasnt made the recent Scotland U21's. Having played in the senior and the U21's previously, his last caps seem to have been at U20.
Might have something to do with the fact he isn't under 21 any more. Before that he was captain.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 18, 2018, 05:19:18 PM
Might have something to do with the fact he isn't under 21 any more. Before that he was captain.

He captained a u20 side at the Toulon this past summer. He could still play for the u21s he’s just not selected. Nothing to do with eligibility
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 18, 2018, 05:21:14 PM
Sorry but that's manipulating the facts to suit your argument. The statement that "three managers didn't fancy him" is absolutely factually correct because he got next to no game time, even though the team couldn't win a raffle. To suggest that either Pulis or Pardew held him in high regards is just not true.

For the record, and as I have already stated, I had high hopes for him and agree that we don't know the reason why he hasn't cut it but, however you dress it up, the truth is he hasn't.
Crying shame in my opinion but still think we'll cut our losses in Jan.
Pulis more or less had control of transfers at the time he was bought and paid a lot of money for him (probably too much admittedly, but that's not the lad's fault), so I would suggest he must have held him in high regard. Remember he was only 19 at the time, so getting into a Premier League team's match day squad on a regular basis showed that he was on the fringes of the first team, especially as he was brought on on a number of occasions. This was the same with both Pulis and Pardew. I can't believe that he has got worse, so it is more than a little strange that he has disappeared from view altogether.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 18, 2018, 05:30:14 PM
He captained a u20 side at the Toulon this past summer. He could still play for the u21s he’s just not selected. Nothing to do with eligibility
That was why I said might - I wasn't sure about the rules. Just checked up and he is still captain, and by all accounts doing pretty well. The reason he wasn't called up was because he is injured apparently, nothing to do with form.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15630343.Oliver_Burke_misses_out_as_Scot_Gemmill_names_Scotland_Under_21_squad/?ref=rss
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on October 18, 2018, 06:10:24 PM
That was why I said might - I wasn't sure about the rules. Just checked up and he is still captain, and by all accounts doing pretty well. The reason he wasn't called up was because he is injured apparently, nothing to do with form.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/15630343.Oliver_Burke_misses_out_as_Scot_Gemmill_names_Scotland_Under_21_squad/?ref=rss

Stories a year old
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 18, 2018, 06:28:35 PM
Stories a year old
Oops, silly me. That'll teach me to rush my posts  :D. Try this link instead then.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/september/burke-withdrawn-from-scotland-duty/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: NathWBA on October 18, 2018, 06:49:50 PM
This lad has all the attributes to be great, tall, strong, fast, comfortable on the ball, with the right coaching he could be great, can see him leaving and becoming a star, but for some reason it’s just not working for him here, whether that’s a confidence thing who knows.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 18, 2018, 08:12:08 PM
We are scoring for fun, if we have a weakness it's at the back
Surely we would be better served trying to get 1-2 Cb's in in Jan if we sell Burke , rather than making a case for playing him .
Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't...Valero
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mig on October 18, 2018, 11:41:16 PM
I think selling him would be pretty short-sighted from the management. He has hardly looked out of his depth when he has played, just hasn't been given enough chances as is the case with many of our younger squad players.

He is quick, strong and has a decent finish, so if we can't sell him for a profit then what is the harm in keeping him and loaning him out? Personally think he should be above HRK in the pecking order but clearly the management doesn't. However, at least give him the chance to show his qualities elsewhere, if not here, before permanently giving up on what was a sizeable investment.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: ashdoy on October 19, 2018, 07:25:23 PM
So, from thinking that he would be good in the Championship, you have now decided that he is useless. Based on what? One and a half games in the EFL cup, when he scored once and had one assist?

Where did I say this
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gavinrussell on October 19, 2018, 07:54:04 PM
Just scored for the PL2 side..
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on October 19, 2018, 09:30:45 PM
Scored 2 in the end in a 3-0 win.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 20, 2018, 09:41:21 AM
Scored 2 in the end in a 3-0 win.
Couple of cool finishes. Looked like 2 assists and a goal for Clayton-Phillips....and some nice lead up play from Leko to assist the Clayton-Phillips goal.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on October 20, 2018, 10:41:54 AM
I can't link it as I'm overseas at the minute but there an interesting piece on Burke from Matt Wilson in the Express and Star right now . Appears Burke's been putting on a seperate training regime.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mr Cynical on October 20, 2018, 11:01:15 AM
Whoever targeted him needs the sack!

Can you name someone who was involved in the 1st team (in any way) during summer 2017?  I can't think of one.

Oli Burke is the record transfer for a Scottish player... twice!  He's probably started about 20 1st team games (for any club).  Amazing amount of potential being paid for.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WorcsWBA on October 20, 2018, 11:10:07 AM
I can't link it as I'm overseas at the minute but there an interesting piece on Burke from Matt Wilson in the Express and Star right now . Appears Burke's been putting on a seperate training regime.
Here you go - let's hope that this translates into him having a major impact for the first team. The outlay we made on him justifies the effort:

Link: Express & Star (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/10/19/west-brom-put-15m-winger-oliver-burke-on-special-training-regime/)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KYA on October 20, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
Special training for young Burke.
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/10/19/west-brom-put-15m-winger-oliver-burke-on-special-training-regime/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 20, 2018, 11:30:05 AM
Where did I say this
On this very site after last season had ended. Do you not remember? Here's the quote from you

" Him (Leko) and Burke along with Phillips & a new winger would be a good foursome in the Championship."
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 20, 2018, 11:34:47 AM
Here you go - let's hope that this translates into him having a major impact for the first team. The outlay we made on him justifies the effort:

Link: Express & Star (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/10/19/west-brom-put-15m-winger-oliver-burke-on-special-training-regime/)
Very pleased that DM has come out publicly with an explanation of what's happening and can't disagree with anything that was quoted in that article. There are indeed aspects of his game that he needs to work on, but there is also a massive potential, as Darren acknowledges. I hope the efforts of the training staff pay dividends, because if they do, we will have one hell of a player.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OldburyWBA on October 20, 2018, 12:11:01 PM
Lads, there is a topic on Oliver Burke in the main forum, this one is for transfer discussion. You all know how this forum works

TRANSFER DISCUSSION IN HERE, NON TRANSFER IN THE MAIN FORUM.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: ashdoy on October 20, 2018, 03:05:29 PM
On this very site after last season had ended. Do you not remember? Here's the quote from you

" Him (Leko) and Burke along with Phillips & a new winger would be a good foursome in the Championship."

So by that theory him, Leko, Phillips, Gibbs are a good foursome. However it’s a shame that Leko & Burke simply aren’t good enough to be used as anything other than back ups.

Pound for pound, the lad is dreadful.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 20, 2018, 08:05:49 PM
Think we need "some special" training for our back three and what is expected of them. It just is not going to happen!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on October 20, 2018, 09:32:21 PM
So by that theory him, Leko, Phillips, Gibbs are a good foursome. However it’s a shame that Leko & Burke simply aren’t good enough to be used as anything other than back ups.

Pound for pound, the lad is dreadful.
Pound for pound is irrelevant - he didn't decide the fee. He's our player in the same way as Leko is and neither is dreadful.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on October 21, 2018, 11:21:56 AM
So by that theory him, Leko, Phillips, Gibbs are a good foursome. However it’s a shame that Leko & Burke simply aren’t good enough to be used as anything other than back ups.

Pound for pound, the lad is dreadful.
As it's your "theory", you are arguing with yourself  :D :D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: brummyroader on October 21, 2018, 09:07:21 PM
Simply when we need a goal with 10 to go with his pace and power he can offer more than HRK who is absolutely woeful and never looks to contribute anything. For that alone he should be in 18.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KN22 on October 21, 2018, 11:16:08 PM
Me too. We need game changers on the bench and there were none at Wigan. HRK needs to be left out altogether, but won’t be.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on October 22, 2018, 09:01:41 AM
Baffles me how he isn't being considered an option from the bench.

He is scoring goals for the Under-23s (granted its not the same standard).

As a defender if my team is winning 1-0 and I look over to the sidelines, with 15 minutes to go I would be more concerned seeing Burke coming on than I would if HRK came on.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on October 22, 2018, 10:22:42 AM
Baffles me how he isn't being considered an option from the bench.

He is scoring goals for the Under-23s (granted its not the same standard).

As a defender if my team is winning 1-0 and I look over to the sidelines, with 15 minutes to go I would be more concerned seeing Burke coming on than I would if HRK came on.
Absolutely, Moore can hide behind the sound results and table position for a while yet, but he needs to get a bit more procative in selection and subs.  A harem scarem Burke for 15/20 mins would at least give them a jolt, whereas HRK has get out the pipe and slippers all over him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 22, 2018, 12:53:25 PM
Absolutely, Moore can hide behind the sound results and table position for a while yet, but he needs to get a bit more procative in selection and subs.  A harem scarem Burke for 15/20 mins would at least give them a jolt, whereas HRK has get out the pipe and slippers all over him.

Agree with this completely.

When Burke comes on, he starts trying to find the space, run at players, and creates things. When Robson-Kanu came on against Reading, the first thing he did was start backing into the defenders, which takes away an option rather than create one.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: colinmax on October 25, 2018, 01:32:10 PM
Burke is not the finished article but he does show potential.
At the moment 1)he is on the bench warms up for 30 minutes but does not get on the pitch
2)as in 1 but comes on in the 89th minute
or 3)doesn't make the squad at all
If I was an opposing defender I would be more concerned having to mark him rather than Kanu
If I am wrong would someone explain why.
I think he should be a regular on the bench given a reasonable amount of game time when the situation warrants it and see how he develops.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 25, 2018, 03:14:59 PM
Burke is not the finished article but he does show potential.
At the moment 1)he is on the bench warms up for 30 minutes but does not get on the pitch
2)as in 1 but comes on in the 89th minute
or 3)doesn't make the squad at all
If I was an opposing defender I would be more concerned having to mark him rather than Kanu
If I am wrong would someone explain why.
I think he should be a regular on the bench given a reasonable amount of game time when the situation warrants it and see how he develops.
I agree with you mate, but now we have signed Sako, I don't even expect him to figure on the bench. In fact, if anyone is genuinely interested in signing him ,I expect Mr Jenkins to be rubbing his hands with glee , and for Oliver to be gone in the January window. Damn shame in my opinion .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on October 25, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
I agree with you mate, but now we have signed Sako, I don't even expect him to figure on the bench. In fact, if anyone is genuinely interested in signing him ,I expect Mr Jenkins to be rubbing his hands with glee , and for Oliver to be gone in the January window. Damn shame in my opinion .

In all honesty I cant imagine that we would get too much return on Burke, especially nowhere near the amount we paid for him.

Would make more sense from a business perspective to send him out on loan and hope he performs well, then look to either sell him then or integrate him into the team.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: yorkshire baggie on October 28, 2018, 09:20:49 PM
What the hell is going on? All that money paid and the potential he has. Constantly overlooked. Why???
There has to be more to this than just shocking management team selection and use of substitutes.





Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 28, 2018, 09:32:59 PM
It's becoming utterly bemusing but neither Pullis, Pardew or Moore seems to want to play him.  If HRK is seen as more effective I can only say that Burke must be shocking in training.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on October 28, 2018, 09:57:08 PM
Ideal situation yesterday to bring on his raw pace when Blackburn we're reduced to 10 men and Moore got it wrong again. So negative and conservative with his subs. Edwards, Leko, Burke, Harper all should have got a lot more time off the bench this season. Ridiculous that he keeps giving HRK minutes on the pitch at the expense of all of our other attacking options.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: yorkshire baggie on October 28, 2018, 10:07:03 PM
I think the problem may be the management. Pulis signed him but hasn't a clue how to deal with flair players, Pardew didnt have a clue, and Darren doesn't risk young players.
He certainly won't get to prove himself if he is not given the chance. Something very odd about the whole situation.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 29, 2018, 09:01:11 AM
I think the problem may be the management. Pulis signed him but hasn't a clue how to deal with flair players, Pardew didnt have a clue, and Darren doesn't risk young players.
He certainly won't get to prove himself if he is not given the chance. Something very odd about the whole situation.

As you say , something odd about it all. Normally I'd be tempted to say that if 3 managers aren't giving him a go then it's probably something to do with the player but he has been turning out for the U23's, playing well by all accounts and scoring regularly so it can't be an attitude thing.

I'd be looking to utilise his pace off the bench against Hull as a replacement for Sako.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 29, 2018, 12:48:40 PM
It's becoming utterly bemusing but neither Pullis, Pardew or Moore seems to want to play him.  If HRK is seen as more effective I can only say that Burke must be shocking in training.

Usually if three successive managers won't give a player a go, I'd point and say the player was failing. But the fact that three successive managers think that Robson-Kanu is good enough for this football club means that I really don't trust their judgement.

Burke was desperately needed on Saturday. Or Edwards, but after a good outing against Reading he's disappeared again.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on October 29, 2018, 01:44:27 PM
Usually if three successive managers won't give a player a go, I'd point and say the player was failing. But the fact that three successive managers think that Robson-Kanu is good enough for this football club means that I really don't trust their judgement.

Burke was desperately needed on Saturday. Or Edwards, but after a good outing against Reading he's disappeared again.

The best thing for Burke's career at the moment would be a loan away to a 'lower half' championship team, somewhere for him to get some game time other than the u23 level that he seems too good for.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: miggybaggy on October 29, 2018, 01:56:07 PM
The best thing for Burke's career at the moment would be a loan away to a 'lower half' championship team, somewhere for him to get some game time other than the u23 level that he seems too good for.

We'll be one of them soon at this rate! :o ;D

Anyway, I'd certainly bring him on for 20 minutes...the sort of player that gets bums off seats and generates an atmosphere that can turn a game on a sixpence.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on October 29, 2018, 02:40:15 PM
The best thing for Burke's career at the moment would be a loan away to a 'lower half' championship team, somewhere for him to get some game time other than the u23 level that he seems too good for.

The best thing for Burke's career at the moment would be for us to play him. Give him a run and see if he can justify the hype and his price tag. The few times I have seen him I have been impressed with his hunger to run at defences. He is not the finished article but we need answers on this one - I think we are all mystified as to why the likes of HRK get the nod over this lad........ 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: VANDERLEI on October 29, 2018, 02:52:54 PM
He's already showed us enough to know that he can damage teams with his pace and strength in the little time he's had. The perfect impact player to bring off the bench (god forbid he ever starts) and tear tiring defenders a new ****hole. I am getting very concerned with the way things are going under Moore. It's all well and good having a Plan A that gets you goals against weaker teams, but we need a Plan B, C, D,E,F and G for the times when Plan A doesn't work. Moore seems to only have Plan A at the minute. Hopefully he wakes up smells the coffee and starts using a bit of common sense in our approach. We've got the players, we just need balance between attack and defence.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on October 30, 2018, 08:09:25 AM
Personally I'd question any agent who sends a kid to Germany with less than 20 starts under his belt at Forest , for me thats where the issues started and why Albion are trying to take him back to basics .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2018, 08:31:11 AM
played against Villa for the U23's yesterday.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/october/albion-pl2-aston-villa-pl2-match-report/


Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2018, 08:38:07 AM
He's already showed us enough to know that he can damage teams with his pace and strength in the little time he's had. The perfect impact player to bring off the bench (god forbid he ever starts) and tear tiring defenders a new ****hole. I am getting very concerned with the way things are going under Moore. It's all well and good having a Plan A that gets you goals against weaker teams, but we need a Plan B, C, D,E,F and G for the times when Plan A doesn't work. Moore seems to only have Plan A at the minute. Hopefully he wakes up smells the coffee and starts using a bit of common sense in our approach. We've got the players, we just need balance between attack and defence.

Has he? When?

I remember him assisting Morrison away at Brighton last season but other than that he hasn't really done much. He did play well in the league cup against Luton and Mansfield but they are much inferior opposition to what we face in the Championship. He has been playing well for the U23's but again it's against inferior opposition.

Having said that I would like to see him get more time on the pitch and like many others think he was the best replacement for Sako against Blackburn. There should be a lot more to come from Burke which increased game time should allow but to say he has already shown us enough is something I just don't see.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on October 30, 2018, 09:13:15 AM
Has he? When?

I remember him assisting Morrison away at Brighton last season but other than that he hasn't really done much. He did play well in the league cup against Luton and Mansfield but they are much inferior opposition to what we face in the Championship. He has been playing well for the U23's but again it's against inferior opposition.

Having said that I would like to see him get more time on the pitch and like many others think he was the best replacement for Sako against Blackburn. There should be a lot more to come from Burke which increased game time should allow but to say he has already shown us enough is something I just don't see.
The ratio of minutes discussing Burke to minutes on the pitch grows by the day. Strange how so many of us see potential in him when the management doesn't.
Fully agree that he should have come on Saturday, but think we are flogging a dead horse to be honest.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 30, 2018, 10:03:08 AM
The ratio of minutes discussing Burke to minutes on the pitch grows by the day. Strange how so many of us see potential in him when the management doesn't.
Fully agree that he should have come on Saturday, but think we are flogging a dead horse to be honest.

I find it very strange that he can put in consistently good performances for the U23's (judging by match reports) yet can't get first team action.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on October 30, 2018, 10:07:06 AM
The ratio of minutes discussing Burke to minutes on the pitch grows by the day. Strange how so many of us see potential in him when the management doesn't.
Fully agree that he should have come on Saturday, but think we are flogging a dead horse to be honest.

Pretty much as I see it.
Three managers can't be wrong, and we haven't seen him on a regular basis to form our own opinion.
Looks good against weaker opposition, but if HRK is getting the nod above him he must be poor.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on October 30, 2018, 10:09:54 AM
Pretty much as I see it.
Three managers can't be wrong, and we haven't seen him on a regular basis to form our own opinion.
Looks good against weaker opposition, but if HRK is getting the nod above him he must be poor.


I don't buy that, of course they can.

There are far more unsuccessful managers out there than successful ones.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on October 30, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
Think you have to forget the fee and when you do its clear he's a kid with potential thats not really developed since leaving Forest.
Compare him to Harvey Barnes and how his club has handled him , wouldn't surprise me to see Burke sold if a decent offer comes in .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: liverbaggie on October 30, 2018, 05:27:30 PM
Didn't Dave put him on a specific training schedule,is he still on it?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on November 01, 2018, 01:09:26 AM
Has to be given a chance with his recent displays for u23, Moore needs to grow a pair
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on December 06, 2018, 11:59:20 AM
I'd send him up to Steve Clarke for rest of season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on December 06, 2018, 12:46:03 PM
I'd send him up to Steve Clarke for rest of season.

Wouldn't be a bad shout sending up to Scotland to be honest.

Tricky one letting him go to a championship club unless it was a team near the bottom, but then would he be getting the experience we need him to get playing in a team that gets beat most weeks.

I would like to think we wouldn't be looking to send out to any league 1 teams either. So top 3/4 team in Scotland may be a better shout.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wappingbaggie on December 19, 2018, 02:58:18 AM
how is he performing for the u23?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 19, 2018, 03:30:31 AM
I'd send him up to Steve Clarke for rest of season.

I third this motion passed.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on December 20, 2018, 09:13:45 AM
I think he needs to go, either permanently or on loan for his own development.
At the moment he's taking up a squad place that could be better utilised in the transfer widow.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 20, 2018, 09:20:09 AM
Personally I would prefer to see him on loan for six months at a fellow Championship side, lower down the table, where he will play week in week out and we will see how he gets on before making a decision on him in the summer.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on December 20, 2018, 10:34:30 AM
Might as well loan him out.

Not that if he does well he will come back, because I would expect he will probably want a fresh start regardless, but his transfer value at this moment must be shocking compared to what we paid.

If he had a storming 6 months there is at least some chance we could get £5m+ for him in the summer, which I dont see anyone paying at present.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on December 20, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
Saw this thread pop up and thought someone was going to post that he'd been found alive and well.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan87uk on December 23, 2018, 01:27:52 PM
Only news piece on him potentially moving out for a loan that i've seen is from the Nottingham Post on Dec 4th..

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-listen-loan-offers-2288020  (https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-listen-loan-offers-2288020)

He's been useless for us, but do we really want to send him to Notts Forest who will be in and around the play off picture this season?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on December 23, 2018, 06:50:56 PM
how is he performing for the u23?
The answer to that one is pretty well I believe...he's picked up a few goals anyway
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on December 27, 2018, 01:01:09 PM
A few of us were talking about this kid yesterday.
How poor must he be doing in training if he can't even make the 18?
Or are we avoiding triggering the next installment on his payment plan?
I know when he was bought in the figure being mentioned was £15m, a figure I wouldn't imagine we would pay up front and all payments after the initial payment would be performance and appearance related.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him move during the transfer window.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on December 27, 2018, 02:07:06 PM
I can't see a future for him at Albion. If someone comes in for him in January I can see him being gone.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 27, 2018, 02:44:54 PM
A few of us were talking about this kid yesterday.
How poor must he be doing in training if he can't even make the 18?
Or are we avoiding triggering the next installment on his payment plan?
I know when he was bought in the figure being mentioned was £15m, a figure I wouldn't imagine we would pay up front and all payments after the initial payment would be performance and appearance related.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him move during the transfer window.

I'm not sure what he does in training has much impact. I get the impression Darren Moore has his select group and that is the group he will use unless injuries or suspensions force him to include others. The 11 that started yesterday plus the 3 subs that came on are his preferred group and only as I said injuries or suspensions will change that. The fact at 4-0 up on Saturday he still brought Brunt on to replace Barry when it was the perfect chance to give Harper or even Sako game time showed his thinking.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on December 27, 2018, 03:28:57 PM
I'm not sure what he does in training has much impact. I get the impression Darren Moore has his select group and that is the group he will use unless injuries or suspensions force him to include others. The 11 that started yesterday plus the 3 subs that came on are his preferred group and only as I said injuries or suspensions will change that. The fact at 4-0 up on Saturday he still brought Brunt on to replace Barry when it was the perfect chance to give Harper or even Sako game time showed his thinking.

Have to agree with that, Darren is showing that he will stick with the core players and only if circumstances dictate otherwise will he deviate.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2018, 03:43:14 PM
Totally agree with Oldbury, in fact to my mind Harper is only on the bench due to the home grown requirement. Regards Burke his future chances here look EXTREMELY limited.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on December 27, 2018, 04:49:16 PM
I'm not sure what he does in training has much impact. I get the impression Darren Moore has his select group and that is the group he will use unless injuries or suspensions force him to include others. The 11 that started yesterday plus the 3 subs that came on are his preferred group and only as I said injuries or suspensions will change that. The fact at 4-0 up on Saturday he still brought Brunt on to replace Barry when it was the perfect chance to give Harper or even Sako game time showed his thinking.
Agreed. That's why I hope Burke, Field, Leko and Edwards, all of them to be loaned out in January.
To be honest it's meaningless to keep them here but play in reserve games only every week.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on December 27, 2018, 05:45:31 PM
Agreed. That's why I hope Burke, Field, Leko and Edwards, all of them to be loaned out in January.
To be honest it's meaningless to keep them here but play in reserve games only every week.
Depending on comings and goings I think we'd have to keep at least one of Burke, Leko and Edwards in case of injuries to Phillips and/or Barnes (if he stays). We'd still have Sako (I think) but he may be in the team and you'd want one pacy wide player on the bench.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 27, 2018, 07:33:33 PM
A few of us were talking about this kid yesterday.
How poor must he be doing in training if he can't even make the 18?
Or are we avoiding triggering the next installment on his payment plan?
I know when he was bought in the figure being mentioned was £15m, a figure I wouldn't imagine we would pay up front and all payments after the initial payment would be performance and appearance related.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him move during the transfer window.

You see, I don't subscribe to the idea that he's poor, because Robson-Kanu is f*****g useless and he gets a game every week.

It's just that we don't seem to want to play any creative / flair players who don't defend apart from Barnes. Sako is a really good player, yet can't get a look in - why?

I think there is more here than just doing badly in training, especially when Sako and Leko can't get in either.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on December 28, 2018, 09:52:23 AM
You see, I don't subscribe to the idea that he's poor, because Robson-Kanu is f*****g useless and he gets a game every week.

It's just that we don't seem to want to play any creative / flair players who don't defend apart from Barnes. Sako is a really good player, yet can't get a look in - why?

I think there is more here than just doing badly in training, especially when Sako and Leko can't get in either.

I think DM is prejudiced against non-caucasian players, oh, forgot Gibbs / Jake / Tosin / Hegazi and Phillips !!  Damn it, another conspiracy theory ruined!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on December 30, 2018, 12:56:35 PM
Millwall want him on loan. Let him go if they pay his wages.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 30, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Millwall want him on loan. Let him go if they pay his wages.

Perfect loan move. Play every game and we’ll see if he’s worth persevering with
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on December 30, 2018, 01:26:25 PM
Absolutely, he needs to play some proper competitive football - both for his own sake and to see if we can salvage something from a big spend gone wrong.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2018, 04:23:42 PM
No Gayle nor JROD currently. Jay looked injured to he before sent off.

Burke could be starting Vs Blackburn...

Sako. HRK Burke.   What a 3 to pick 2 from to join Barnes up front.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 30, 2018, 05:07:27 PM
No Gayle nor JROD currently. Jay looked injured to he before sent off.

Burke could be starting Vs Blackburn...

Sako. HRK Burke.   What a 3 to pick 2 from to join Barnes up front.

Eve without Gayle and Rodriguez I can still see him leaving Burke out completely and sticking Edwards on the bench instead. Burke definitely needs to get game time so a loan move could be perfect, with any luck he'll impress and we'll be able to claw some of the money back that we wasted on him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on December 30, 2018, 05:19:42 PM
I think Burke, in the right team, would prove his usefulness and get us some miney back. A loan to a championship club or to Rangers would be ideal in January. I have seen bits and bibs of him in the league cup plus for Scotland under 21s and there is a raw, natural talent there. He might never develop it to the level we need, but he can still do something and hopefully get us a bit of money back.

Was an awful, awful decision not to loan him out in August when it was clear Moore had to use for him
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2018, 07:04:48 PM
I think Burke, in the right team, would prove his usefulness and get us some miney back. A loan to a championship club or to Rangers would be ideal in January. I have seen bits and bibs of him in the league cup plus for Scotland under 21s and there is a raw, natural talent there. He might never develop it to the level we need, but he can still do something and hopefully get us a bit of money back.

Was an awful, awful decision not to loan him out in August when it was clear Moore had to use for him
A very good idea 👍
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2018, 09:19:11 AM
I agree that a loan is a god idea, in our current position (chasing) we cannot afford to experiment over a run of games, but seeing him compete in the same league will give the club the basis for making a long term decision as to wether he can make it at this level.
Millwall are not really competitors so let him go and lets see what he can do.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on December 31, 2018, 09:40:28 AM
Celtic are, reportedly, also showing an interest

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-west-brom-star-15612302
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on December 31, 2018, 10:23:39 AM
I'd be loathed to send him to Rangers or Celtic.

Both are big clubs and if he does well as a Scot, you can see a player getting swept up in it. Neither have serious money so I could see us getting our trousers pulled down.

Where ever he goes though I hope we put penalties in the loan agreement like Everton supposedly do. We cant let anyone use him to pack a squad and waste everyone's time. He needs to be playing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2018, 10:30:27 AM
Celtic don’t have too much problem with buying players.  Deeper pockets than most Championship sides
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on December 31, 2018, 10:40:53 AM
Celtic don’t have too much problem with buying players.  Deeper pockets than most Championship sides

Not really. They've spent more than £6m on a player once in 18 years. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on December 31, 2018, 10:55:11 AM
I'd be loathed to send him to Rangers or Celtic.

Both are big clubs and if he does well as a Scot, you can see a player getting swept up in it. Neither have serious money so I could see us getting our trousers pulled down.

Where ever he goes though I hope we put penalties in the loan agreement like Everton supposedly do. We cant let anyone use him to pack a squad and waste everyone's time. He needs to be playing.

Forget the fee that we paid for him that has gone now it is just a question of moving him on and recovering anything we can. The first step in that process is getting him playing somewhere anywhere.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on December 31, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
I just  want to see him playing to be honest, wherever he goes. He clearly has talent and needs to get some game time in. Best case scenario is that he goes to Celtic, starts on a regular basis, scores a few goals and gets noticed. At the end of the season we get a decent player back or a saleable asset. I don't think we can afford to be too picky on where he goes based on their ability to buy him at the end of the loan. The lad is no mug - he just needs to be pointed in the right direction.



 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: barnestormer on December 31, 2018, 11:38:43 AM
Needs loaning to a championship side where hell be tested and hopefully improve,not in a two team league like Celtic and rangers with a bunch of also rans
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on December 31, 2018, 12:20:01 PM
Needs loaning to a championship side where hell be tested and hopefully improve,not in a two team league like Celtic and rangers with a bunch of also rans
Depends what we want. If he was to shine in the Scottish prem we should be able to get some reasonable money back....could also repair some damaged confidence.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wba_1996 on December 31, 2018, 01:42:51 PM
No point loaning him to Celtic, probably wouldn't start and would be playing against dross whenever he got on the pitch. Bottom 5 Championship or even a League 1 team where he's guaranteed to start every game.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2018, 01:54:13 PM
No point loaning him to Celtic, probably wouldn't start and would be playing against dross whenever he got on the pitch. Bottom 5 Championship or even a League 1 team where he's guaranteed to start every game.

Have to agree with that, Dundee / Hamilton et al should hardly be a real test for him, if, he is to be good enough to stay with what will likely be a premiership cannon fodder side next term.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on December 31, 2018, 03:44:24 PM
Not really. They've spent more than £6m on a player once in 18 years.
9 million on Edwardo in summer plenty money there.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on December 31, 2018, 03:46:54 PM
No point loaning him to Celtic, probably wouldn't start and would be playing against dross whenever he got on the pitch. Bottom 5 Championship or even a League 1 team where he's guaranteed to start every game.
top Coach in Rodgers could get the best out of him and he's not shy in playing youngsters in his side.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 31, 2018, 08:16:41 PM
top Coach in Rodgers could get the best out of him and he's not shy in playing youngsters in his side.

This. If he's still going to be in charge, then Burke could probably do with his approach to the game tbh.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 04, 2019, 12:45:43 PM
From the Birmingham Mail today - Celtic, Forest and Milwall allegedly interested.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/celtic-oliver-burke-west-brom-15628443 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/celtic-oliver-burke-west-brom-15628443)

"West Brom winger Oliver Burke is a man in demand.

Celtic are known to be interested in signing him in the January transfer window, and now it seems he has a new admirer.

Nottingham Forest are reportedly monitoring his situation at West Brom.

The former Reds winger looks likely to leave the Hawthorns this month with Millwall recently said to want him on loan .

With Celtic and Milwall interested in the Scotland international on a short-term basis, Forest are also keeping tabs on developments.

West Brom signed Burke in August 2017 on a five-year contract, but he has managed just three league appearances from the bench for Darren Moore’s Baggies this term."
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 05, 2019, 11:15:13 AM
Gone to Celtic on loan subject to passing a medical.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 05, 2019, 11:17:07 AM
Has now gone on loan to Celtic.

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/january/burke-joins-celtic-on-loan/ (https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2019/january/burke-joins-celtic-on-loan/)

Will do him good and maybe they'll buy him off us at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on January 05, 2019, 11:25:47 AM
Glad he has gone out on loan early, but not sure if Celtic would have been my first choice. I've seen a few times this season where Scott Sinclair has been a sub, and he is fsr more developed that Oli Burke.

Still, this will definitely get him exposure and maybe being in Scotland will be good for him. If he does well, then Celtic might be prepared to splash the cash on him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gavinrussell on January 05, 2019, 11:31:04 AM
Should be ok up there..lots of kick and rush and 1000 mph frantic football..just look at Sinclair....not  suitable for us even though only limited chances..doubt we will see half of the 15million if he is sold..
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Bilston Dan on January 05, 2019, 02:52:15 PM
I wish him all the best and hope he does well. There's a good player in there, he just needs regular games. You could say that though for most the younger players in our team though.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tommcneill on January 05, 2019, 02:55:36 PM
I hope he goes there and does well....im sure there is a really good player in there who could make a serious impact in the future.

Glad we've stated no option to buy and its purely because we want him to develop into the player he can be and then utilise him

Best of luck to him
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheBrom on January 05, 2019, 02:58:16 PM
Let’s be honest, he’s not impressed here and isn’t going to get any more chances in the team. So a loan move is best for both parties. If he does well he’s putting himself in the shop window for a summer move
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on January 05, 2019, 03:19:20 PM
Not sure that Scotland is an environment which will challenge him too much, that said if he does not shine in that side in that league we will know what to do with him and if he does he will have earned another chance down here. I suspect much will rest upon his attitude
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on January 05, 2019, 03:26:27 PM
Hope he get enough chances there, I think Brendan Rodgers could benefit to his development.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wbako on January 05, 2019, 03:31:55 PM
What a disastrous signing. £15 million...Only in football would such a failed outlay be swept under the carpet.

Nothing against the lad by the way - whenever I saw him play for us, he always gave his all. He just wasn't upto it. I wish him well at Celtic.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TAFKATMNo1Fan on January 05, 2019, 04:04:39 PM
I think he’ll be a hit in Scotland. Similar to Scott Sinclair
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on January 05, 2019, 05:15:15 PM
I hope he does brilliantly up there and that they buy him.

Hopefully, our upfront fee for him was about £8m-£10m and we can get half that back at least, as this guy is terrible.

All the best Ollie, please tear it up there.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on January 05, 2019, 05:43:01 PM
Theres definitely no option to buy it has been stated but yes, hopefully hwe does well and we can get half of our money back.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mig on January 06, 2019, 06:09:36 AM
Think that's the end of his time here. If he does well then Celtic (or a bigger club) will buy him. If he does badly then we may sell him to someone smaller and take a bigger loss on our initial outlay.

For what it's worth, as much as Rodgers is an arrogant so-and-so, he is the type of manager who could get the best out of a player like Burke. I maintain that the kid has not been given a fair chance here at all, and we could well look back on this with regret in a few years.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 06, 2019, 06:41:08 AM
Think that's the end of his time here. If he does well then Celtic (or a bigger club) will buy him. If he does badly then we may sell him to someone smaller and take a bigger loss on our initial outlay.

For what it's worth, as much as Rodgers is an arrogant so-and-so, he is the type of manager who could get the best out of a player like Burke. I maintain that the kid has not been given a fair chance here at all, and we could well look back on this with regret in a few years.
Celtic or a bigger club?? This could be the apex of his career. He’s been lead a charmed life. Now is the time for him to kick on and make a name for himself.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 06, 2019, 07:26:23 AM
The question still remains'why on earth did we (the capped one) pay so much for him in the first place?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionBest on January 06, 2019, 07:51:29 AM
Will be fascinating to see our he gets on there.
Great to see him flourish and get back to the young talent we hoped we had got when we signed up.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on January 06, 2019, 12:08:46 PM
The question still remains'why on earth did we (the capped one) pay so much for him in the first place?
Have a feeling it was Hammond led , never seemed a Pulis player to me.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on January 06, 2019, 01:39:28 PM
Have a feeling it was Hammond led , never seemed a Pulis player to me.

I believe it was TP signing there were reports of him scouting him at Forest and later it was he who spoke to Ralf Rangnick to check if he was "a good lad".

The fact he'd hardly played in his short career didn't stop us making the most expensive error in our history.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: leeiswba on January 06, 2019, 01:57:05 PM
99% of people were saying it was a great signing at the time and the type of signing we should be making
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: smosher34 on January 06, 2019, 02:22:13 PM
Massive flop we spend 15 million on him can't get in the team or even on the bench. Dingles spend 15 million on players with massive sell on value.. Just shows way club is run at times.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 06, 2019, 03:33:37 PM
Massive flop we spend 15 million on him can't get in the team or even on the bench. Dingles spend 15 million on players with massive sell on value.. Just shows way club is run at times.
Behave, there is no doubt Burke has pace ,strength and potential
We paid 15m....if he had hit the ground running he would now be worth double, wolves have had a really good recruitment...but it's much easier when you can afford to cover any mistakes with another replacement..we can't
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 06, 2019, 03:51:15 PM
Massive flop we spend 15 million on him can't get in the team or even on the bench. Dingles spend 15 million on players with massive sell on value.. Just shows way club is run at times.

Wolves brought in several total flops who they replaced with other expensive players. Don't be daft
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on January 06, 2019, 04:26:06 PM
If Celtic lift any trophies this season I hope for Ollie's sake that him and his ears stand to one side while the presentation's going on :-X   ;) .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on January 06, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
If Celtic lift any trophies this season I hope for Ollie's sake that him and his ears stand to one side while the presentation's going on :-X   ;) .

Nice one.

Any chance you could get the inside info on the undisclosed fee paid for the Burke, as whenever I see the quoted £15m it makes want to go into enclosed space and bang my head shouting why, why, why!!!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on January 06, 2019, 07:41:57 PM
I believe it was TP signing there were reports of him scouting him at Forest and later it was he who spoke to Ralf Rangnick to check if he was "a good lad".

The fact he'd hardly played in his short career didn't stop us making the most expensive error in our history.
Bit of a head scratcher if true , just never seemed like a typical Pulis player then again neither did Chadli !
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: wba_1996 on January 06, 2019, 07:47:39 PM
Bit of a head scratcher if true , just never seemed like a typical Pulis player then again neither did Chadli !

Neither does Van La Parra who he's just signed for Boro. If he's heard of them and they've played in England, they're a Pulis player. Then he ruins them.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on January 06, 2019, 08:02:01 PM
Neither does Van La Parra who he's just signed for Boro. If he's heard of them and they've played in England, they're a Pulis player. Then he ruins them.
Pulis to one side I always felt Burke left Forest far too early , nowhere near ready in my view .
That for me is where the issues started , badly advised.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: smosher34 on January 06, 2019, 09:02:48 PM
Behave, there is no doubt Burke has pace ,strength and potential
We paid 15m....if he had hit the ground running he would now be worth double, wolves have had a really good recruitment...but it's much easier when you can afford to cover any mistakes with another replacement..we can't
If that's the case why have 3 managers never game him a run of games something can't be right.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on January 06, 2019, 09:25:05 PM
If that's the case why have 3 managers never game him a run of games something can't be right.

Plus the Rb Leipzig manager Scotland manager.

But, I still hope he comes good for our sake
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on January 06, 2019, 11:51:18 PM
Nice one.

Any chance you could get the inside info on the undisclosed fee paid for the Burke, as whenever I see the quoted £15m it makes want to go into enclosed space and bang my head shouting why, why, why!!!

 ;D  ;D    , no chap.

Absolutely no clue whatsoever regarding the amount on that one.

Very expensive example of speculate to accumulate thus far.

Decent player in there with potential, but it was always a long shot especially given our resources.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: jimmyj on January 07, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Bit of a head scratcher if true , just never seemed like a typical Pulis player then again neither did Chadli !

Every so often Pulis has a go at signing a creative. He never figures out how to use them though. Look at Tuncay at Stoke for his most damning example.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 07, 2019, 01:08:19 PM
If that's the case why have 3 managers never game him a run of games something can't be right.

Those three managers keep picking Hal Robson-Kanu, so I don't really trust their judgement.

Hopefully he can find some form up there, and revitalise his career.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: smosher34 on January 07, 2019, 05:31:56 PM
Those three managers keep picking Hal Robson-Kanu, so I don't really trust their judgement.

Hopefully he can find some form up there, and revitalise his career.
Everyone wants to see him do well just a head scratcher it's never worked out..  Can't argue about Kanu he's had 1 good game all season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on January 07, 2019, 06:04:03 PM
The question still remains'why on earth did we (the capped one) pay so much for him in the first place?
And why a 5 year contract?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 07, 2019, 06:08:37 PM
The very best of luck to the boy, for his own sake and ours.

He is a confidence player and should get enough game time up there to build that confidence
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: stoxman on January 07, 2019, 08:20:40 PM
In the Premier there are choices:

- up and coming players from abroad/ lower leagues/ young.  Could be superstars but risky. (Eg Burke)
- established premier steady Eddies. (Eg Livermore)
- great but ageing stars (Eg Barry)
- great, established stars with time on their side ( pick any top player)

We obviously had no chance of the last category. The second category excites no-one.  If we get a good year or two out of a Barry, Lescott, Fletcher or Evans then they are heroes but if we get a Townsend or Anelka...

Burke was in the first category and comes with risk.  The problem is, Man U can afford to take lots of £15m risks and throw them away.  When Albion go all-in and lose, it hurts us so much more....
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on January 07, 2019, 09:11:03 PM
Celtic have now signed Timothy Weah, who plays a similar position to Burke. Also being linked with another forward in the papers today. Burke will have his work cut out getting into their team at this rate.

Burke to the championship looked a better move to me, or to Rangers or similar.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on January 11, 2019, 11:00:04 AM
Granted he hasn’t had too much game time, but the decision to loan Butler out before knowing Barnes future is even more bizarre.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan87uk on January 11, 2019, 11:02:28 AM
Burke has been a waste of time effort and money and wouldn't be any closer than the bench were he still at the Albion.

Would much rather see Harper/Edwards given a chance to shine to be honest.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mikkyk on January 11, 2019, 11:14:13 AM
Reckon we've got a recall clause like the Barnes one?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on January 12, 2019, 09:35:53 AM
The fact that Burke a player who on paper could fill the slot that Barnes has vacated was loaned out before Barnes future was clarified suggests that whatever is wrong with Burke in the eyes of coaching staff is deep seated. It also suggests that despite whatever Darren has said to the contrary we are pretty close to giving up on him altogether.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 19, 2019, 02:32:22 PM
Celtic Team News: Burke starts up top, Ralston and Izzy play

Source: https://thecelticstar.com/celtic-team-news-burke-starts-up-top-ralston-and-izzy-play/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Peachofacross on January 19, 2019, 02:51:10 PM
Be interesting to see how he gets on up top. I'm hoping he goes there, scores goals and comes back a new player.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 19, 2019, 05:50:00 PM
Burke is Celtic's No.900
Celtic 0-0 Airdrieonians

Oliver Burke became the 900th player to wear the Celtic shirt as the Scotland winger makes his debut on loan from West Brom.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 19, 2019, 07:06:00 PM
FT Celtic 3-0 Airedrionians

Burke plays full 90 min, but not on the score sheet

An eventful or otherwise debut

85 mins
Oliver Burke has a great chance to score on his Celtic debut.

The on-loan West Brom winger rises unmarked to meet an Emilio Izaguirre cross but makes a mess of his header from 10 yards.

That comes seconds after a low Timothy Weah cross just evades Burke in front of goal.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on January 19, 2019, 07:13:49 PM
Watched most of the game (for gambling reasons 8) ) , not going to jump on Burke's back but he did little against a poor but spirited Airdrie side in a Cup game .
Not convinced he'll ever make a forward let alone anything else.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 19, 2019, 07:22:32 PM
Burke is Celtic's No.900
Celtic 0-0 Airdrieonians

Oliver Burke became the 900th player to wear the Celtic shirt as the Scotland winger makes his debut on loan from West Brom.

Poor lamb. He'll need some heavy duty disinfecting before coming back.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on January 20, 2019, 03:24:39 AM
Please God let this no mark make his mark in Scotland so as another idiot can buy him and free us from this millstone.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on January 20, 2019, 11:58:50 AM
Got to hope Rodgers learns how to channel his ability. He is not quite disciplined enough to be a winger and it doesn't feel a natural fit for his game, but as a front man he lacks the natural strikers instinct. He probably needs to be converted into a wide forward as he has a lot of pace, power and energy, but he is one of those enigma type players.

Couldn't watch the game due to it being on premier sports, so I've tried to look for fan reports. A number of them say his touch was poor and nobody coming out saying he played great.

As pointed out by a few of them though, he hasn't started a game for months, and he is still young. Rodgers could be the answer.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: alex1 on January 20, 2019, 05:07:03 PM
I read a report somewhere saying Leipzig let him go as he lacked tactical awareness.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 20, 2019, 06:11:24 PM
I read a report somewhere saying Leipzig let him go as he lacked tactical awareness.

To be fair he doesn't strike me as someone who naturally understands the game. It's something that could possibly develop in him as he matures as he clearly has some natural yet very raw ability, its easy to forget he's still pretty young too as it feels like he's been around for a long time.

A loan move was much needed as he simply needs minutes on the pitch and as long as he gets game time at Celtic it should improve him as he's stagnated since that move to Germany.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mikkyk on January 23, 2019, 08:02:16 PM
Oliver Burke puts Celtic 1-0 up against St Mirren
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 23, 2019, 08:19:55 PM
And old boy Sinclair gets the 2nd

Can we keep this to Oliver Burke please, any other SPFL score updates have a thread in General Sports for them.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on January 23, 2019, 08:37:26 PM
A loan move was much needed as he simply needs minutes on the pitch and as long as he gets game time at Celtic it should improve him as he's stagnated since that move to Germany.

Looks like he is going to get game time and a few goals out at Celtic this second half of the season. Really frustrating that we opted to keep Burke, Leko AND Edwards all her first half of the season when we were clesrly not going to use them.

We really need to learn from this lesson, this move could well do Burke the world of good and get us money back on what has so far looked the biggest overspend in our history.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on January 23, 2019, 09:03:07 PM
Burke is on a hattrick. Scores a rebound from a teammates shot.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 23, 2019, 09:13:49 PM
Burke is on a hattrick. Scores a rebound from a teammates shot.

Is there a recall clause in the loan deal?  :D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: telford baggie on January 23, 2019, 09:26:23 PM
Looks like he is going to get game time and a few goals out at Celtic this second half of the season. Really frustrating that we opted to keep Burke, Leko AND Edwards all her first half of the season when we were clesrly not going to use them.

We really need to learn from this lesson, this move could well do Burke the world of good and get us money back on what has so far looked the biggest overspend in our history.
he is still only 21..he will be getting game time at a big club hopefully score goals every week and come back a different player...get rid of players like kanu and give these kids a proper chance not 5mins at end of a game,sooner players like brunt and kanu go the better
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2019, 11:03:51 PM
he is still only 21..he will be getting game time at a big club hopefully score goals every week and come back a different player...get rid of players like kanu and give these kids a proper chance not 5mins at end of a game,sooner players like brunt and kanu go the better

At the same time, he's not been used by 3 different managers now which is quite telling. 21 appearances for us in total with no real return. I remember Leko getting an assist having been on for 5 minutes vs Stoke a few seasons back and even he isn't used too much, whereas Burke hasn't even done that.
I think he'd have to score loads to be properly noticed whilst at Celtic.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 23, 2019, 11:51:57 PM
At the same time, he's not been used by 3 different managers now which is quite telling. 21 appearances for us in total with no real return. I remember Leko getting an assist having been on for 5 minutes vs Stoke a few seasons back and even he isn't used too much, whereas Burke hasn't even done that.
I think he'd have to score loads to be properly noticed whilst at Celtic.


Rave review in the BBC write up of the game.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on January 24, 2019, 12:31:21 AM

Rave review in the BBC write up of the game.

Agreed.  Hopefully either they’ll buy him or it will ensure that we can get a good price for him on the summer, or we’ll be getting back a better and more mature player.  A no-lose situation.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on January 24, 2019, 12:53:31 AM
None of our coaches have given any youngster a chance at club, with little or no financial support from owner academy and younger squad players should be used more. If Burke improves under Rodgers what does that say about Moore and Jones?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on January 24, 2019, 06:58:33 AM
Did they play him out wide or through the middle?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: leeiswba on January 24, 2019, 07:02:05 AM
He was playing against St Mirren, probably about bad good as Luton. He scored for us passed them as well. Hopefully it does work out for him up there but let’s not use him scoring a couple against a bunch of league 1 players at best to have another go at Moore
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 24, 2019, 07:15:57 AM
I’ll hold my candour on him for now, one swallow does not a summer make, but I would have been interested to see how he played if he’d had the same run of games as HRK...

I can’t imagine it would have been any worse than the Welsh Wizard
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on January 24, 2019, 07:23:46 AM
None of our coaches have given any youngster a chance at club, with little or no financial support from owner academy and younger squad players should be used more. If Burke improves under Rodgers what does that say about Moore and Jones?
Other side of the coin - what does it say of the player in a very poor league ? . Pulis , Megson , Pardew and now Moore won't pick him which suggests there's an issue with the player somewhere.
Hope he does well and we get some money back on him but I can't see him making the grade in England in either top two tiers.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 24, 2019, 07:33:35 AM
Did they play him out wide or through the middle?

Think he was played through the middle in a 4-2-3-1

https://www.skysports.com/celtic-squad
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on January 24, 2019, 07:44:07 AM
Think he was played through the middle in a 4-2-3-1

https://www.skysports.com/celtic-squad


Thanks mate.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 24, 2019, 08:00:38 AM
Pleased for him. Maybe he will thrive under a manager who believes in him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: GREGMT on January 24, 2019, 08:03:29 AM
Playing in a team full of decent players versus a joke team.  Flat track bully just like Sinclair?

But i don't think he is any worse than HRK.  It just concerns me that we just keep extending veterans contracts without thinking about their contribution and marginalizing young talent coming through.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on January 24, 2019, 08:11:35 AM
Playing in a team full of decent players versus a joke team.  Flat track bully just like Sinclair?

But i don't think he is any worse than HRK.  It just concerns me that we just keep extending veterans contracts without thinking about their contribution and marginalizing young talent coming through.
It's a joke league , I find it very hard to get too excited when Scott Sinclair is the star player up there and a 36 year old Defoe will get near 15 goals for Rangers.
Best of luck to Burke but while at least it's games under his belt it's only like going on loan to Sunderland or Peterborough in Div 1.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on January 24, 2019, 08:19:33 AM
Think he was played through the middle in a 4-2-3-1

https://www.skysports.com/celtic-squad

Celtic play music after goals  :-X .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on January 24, 2019, 10:08:50 AM
It's a joke league , I find it very hard to get too excited when Scott Sinclair is the star player up there and a 36 year old Defoe will get near 15 goals for Rangers.
Best of luck to Burke but while at least it's games under his belt it's only like going on loan to Sunderland or Peterborough in Div 1.

I hope he bangs loads of goals in for the hoops then we might be able to recoup the money we laid out for him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on January 24, 2019, 10:19:57 AM
He will score goals in that league, nothing against the Scottish league but they standard outside the top2/3 is very poor.

Like the above have been mentioned, Sinclair has regularly been hitting 20/30 goals a season up there.

I imagine he will score around 10 goals between now and the end of the season, he will either come back here like a new signing, or we will sell him to Celtic for around 10million I reckon.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on January 24, 2019, 11:03:00 AM
There was talk about the extra training Burke was doing with Moore and Jones.

This comment was in the BBC report 'He is powerful and quick, but there is deftness to his movement. He offered a focal point in attack - and was capable of holding up the ball - but also moved into channels and created space for Sinclair and Forrest to break into from the flank'.

If that's true I don't think it will be all down to 2 weeks under Rodgers and more likely helped by the work with DM and particularly GJ.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2019, 11:39:01 AM

Celtic quickly took command, controlling possession and establishing a foothold in the St Mirren half.

The visitors intended to be well-organised and disciplined, but Celtic's attackers were in no mood to be stifled. Burke led by example.

He is powerful and quick, but there is deftness to his movement. He offered a focal point in attack - and was capable of holding up the ball - but also moved into channels and created space for Sinclair and Forrest to break into from the flanks.

The opening goal demanded striker's instincts, and he moved into the right position inside the penalty area to meet Christie's free-kick and head the ball past Vaclav Hladky, who should have done better than meekly palm the ball into the net.

As Burke led the line, Sinclair became emboldened. One run carried him in from the left and his quick feet befuddled Stephen McGinn, who brought him down. Sinclair converted the penalty and soon after had another effort pushed away by the St Mirren goalkeeper.

Burke was the focal point, though, and one spin on the edge of the area brought the time and space to create an opening for Callum McGregor, who blasted over.

Celtic striker Timothy Weah scores against St Mirren
Celtic substitute Timothy Weah scored his second goal in two games for the club

St Mirren tried to be composed on the ball, and there were elements of their play that will have pleased manager Oran Kearney, but they could not contain Celtic.

After the break, Burke added his second when the ball fell to him in the penalty area after McGregor's shot was blocked. Burke finished with composure and power.

From bbc.co.uk

A glowing write up
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on January 24, 2019, 12:03:57 PM
Celtic quickly took command, controlling possession and establishing a foothold in the St Mirren half.

The visitors intended to be well-organised and disciplined, but Celtic's attackers were in no mood to be stifled. Burke led by example.

He is powerful and quick, but there is deftness to his movement. He offered a focal point in attack - and was capable of holding up the ball - but also moved into channels and created space for Sinclair and Forrest to break into from the flanks.

The opening goal demanded striker's instincts, and he moved into the right position inside the penalty area to meet Christie's free-kick and head the ball past Vaclav Hladky, who should have done better than meekly palm the ball into the net.

As Burke led the line, Sinclair became emboldened. One run carried him in from the left and his quick feet befuddled Stephen McGinn, who brought him down. Sinclair converted the penalty and soon after had another effort pushed away by the St Mirren goalkeeper.

Burke was the focal point, though, and one spin on the edge of the area brought the time and space to create an opening for Callum McGregor, who blasted over.

Celtic striker Timothy Weah scores against St Mirren
Celtic substitute Timothy Weah scored his second goal in two games for the club

St Mirren tried to be composed on the ball, and there were elements of their play that will have pleased manager Oran Kearney, but they could not contain Celtic.

After the break, Burke added his second when the ball fell to him in the penalty area after McGregor's shot was blocked. Burke finished with composure and power.

From bbc.co.uk

A glowing write up

Massive change in comments compared to the ones coming from the celtic fans last week calling him a 'pub league' player.

I think it'll be a win win for the club in all honesty, if he performs well he will come back a different player and he can kick on with his WBA career, or he will push to stay at Celtic and we will get most our money back on him.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on January 24, 2019, 01:21:53 PM
He will score goals in that league, nothing against the Scottish league but they standard outside the top2/3 is very poor.

Like the above have been mentioned, Sinclair has regularly been hitting 20/30 goals a season up there.

I imagine he will score around 10 goals between now and the end of the season, he will either come back here like a new signing, or we will sell him to Celtic for around 10million I reckon.

I can't see anyway Celtic will pay £10m for Burke no matter how well he does. That would be their record signing and they only paid more than £6m for a player once in nearly 20 years.

Celtic record signings:

Odsonne Édouard   £9,000,000   15 June 2018
Chris Sutton      £6,000,000   11 July 2000   
John Hartson           £6,000,000        2 August 2001   
Israel Eyal Berkovic   £5,750,000   8 July 1999   [
Neil Lennon      £5,750,000        December 2000   
Rafael Scheidt           £4,800,000   1 January 2000   
Olivier Ntcham           £4,500,000   12 July 2017

If he does well, the best we can hope for from Celtic in my opinion will be around £5m with a decent resale percentage. Celtic in general just don't spend that kind of money.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Oldbury24 on January 24, 2019, 01:30:49 PM
Agree that this is a win/win but the general quality in the league is highlighted by the other player mentioned

Celtic striker Timothy Weah scores against St Mirren
Celtic substitute Timothy Weah scored his second goal in two games for the club


This is an 18 year old, with great heritage yes, but making his first starts in pro football?   

Burke has definitely got some real qualities to build on as he is quick and powerful. However, it turns out the move to Germany was the worst thing that could have happened as it stopped any natural progression he would have made as a teenager playing week in-week out at Forest at the right level.   I would even have suggested a loan into League 1 so he can get back to basics and play every week before Celtic were kind enough to take him although i would guess that the defensive qualities in those two leagues are about the same.   

If he does well in the rest of the year, maybe we can send him back for another year a la Harver Barnes and see where that takes him in his development?

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 24, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
None of our coaches have given any youngster a chance at club, with little or no financial support from owner academy and younger squad players should be used more. If Burke improves under Rodgers what does that say about Moore and Jones?

Lets be frank - the quality of that division is very poor - minus the top three or four.

Burke should be scoring goals in that division - or at least having an impact.

The fact we have had at least four managers fail to use him suggests there are fundamental issues and that is not the fault of Moore or Jones.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: smethwick2 on January 24, 2019, 01:36:42 PM
I can't see anyway Celtic will pay £10m for Burke no matter how well he does. That would be their record signing and they only paid more than £6m for a player once in nearly 20 years.

Celtic record signings:

Odsonne Édouard   £9,000,000   15 June 2018
Chris Sutton      £6,000,000   11 July 2000   
John Hartson           £6,000,000        2 August 2001   
Israel Eyal Berkovic   £5,750,000   8 July 1999   [
Neil Lennon      £5,750,000        December 2000   
Rafael Scheidt           £4,800,000   1 January 2000   
Olivier Ntcham           £4,500,000   12 July 2017

If he does well, the best we can hope for from Celtic in my opinion will be around £5m with a decent resale percentage. Celtic in general just don't spend that kind of money.

They may do if he does well there but Rangers win the title
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on January 24, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
The most positive outcome for me would be that he tears up that tinpot league, and returns to us the player a lot of us thought he could be. As has been said, Celtic would then probably be priced out so he would either stay with us or go to someone who could afford him.
No good to us if his loan goes tits up.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: The Tank on January 24, 2019, 05:59:47 PM
Celtic quickly took command, controlling possession and establishing a foothold in the St Mirren half.

The visitors intended to be well-organised and disciplined, but Celtic's attackers were in no mood to be stifled. Burke led by example.

He is powerful and quick, but there is deftness to his movement. He offered a focal point in attack - and was capable of holding up the ball - but also moved into channels and created space for Sinclair and Forrest to break into from the flanks.

The opening goal demanded striker's instincts, and he moved into the right position inside the penalty area to meet Christie's free-kick and head the ball past Vaclav Hladky, who should have done better than meekly palm the ball into the net.

As Burke led the line, Sinclair became emboldened. One run carried him in from the left and his quick feet befuddled Stephen McGinn, who brought him down. Sinclair converted the penalty and soon after had another effort pushed away by the St Mirren goalkeeper.

Burke was the focal point, though, and one spin on the edge of the area brought the time and space to create an opening for Callum McGregor, who blasted over.

Celtic striker Timothy Weah scores against St Mirren
Celtic substitute Timothy Weah scored his second goal in two games for the club

St Mirren tried to be composed on the ball, and there were elements of their play that will have pleased manager Oran Kearney, but they could not contain Celtic.

After the break, Burke added his second when the ball fell to him in the penalty area after McGregor's shot was blocked. Burke finished with composure and power.

From bbc.co.uk

A glowing write up

Oh Good. Burke scored the first and third goals for Celtic in this match
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2019, 06:50:50 PM
Sounds promising and as said before if he plays well we really can’t lose. Let’s face it, a young powerful and fast striker is the dream for any football fan. However we must remember the league he is playing in. Let’s see how he goes.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on January 24, 2019, 08:42:48 PM
They may do if he does well there but Rangers win the title
bet you a tenner they dont
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 24, 2019, 10:12:07 PM
Other side of the coin - what does it say of the player in a very poor league ? . Pulis , Megson , Pardew and now Moore won't pick him which suggests there's an issue with the player somewhere.
Hope he does well and we get some money back on him but I can't see him making the grade in England in either top two tiers.
I've seen many use this argument
But
Pullis everybody wantedvgone and we all (almost ) agree he's anti football
megson, 2 matches
Pardew, couldn't pick his ar5e
Moore, only goes to youth when forced

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2019, 10:16:35 PM
I've seen many use this argument
But
Pullis everybody wantedvgone and we all (almost ) agree he's anti football
megson, 2 matches
Pardew, couldn't pick his ar5e
Moore, only goes to youth when forced

Comment on Moore is ridiculous. He’s given youth players more time on the pitch than previous managers.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 24, 2019, 10:43:11 PM
Comment on Moore is ridiculous. He’s given youth players more time on the pitch than previous managers.
By persisting with brunt in a centre midfield role when he could have played field of Harper?
Edwards came on against reading, played well never to be seen again
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 25, 2019, 12:06:52 AM
I don’t get this negativity towards Moore with Burke and other younger players. Do people genuinely believe he would choose to not play them if he truely believed they were better just because they were young? That just seems daft to me. There must be a reason they aren’t getting the game time some fans feel they deserve and it can’t be a case of  favouritism all the time.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on January 25, 2019, 12:22:41 AM
By persisting with brunt in a centre midfield role when he could have played field of Harper?
Edwards came on against reading, played well never to be seen again...........

........ other than substitute appearances in the following game against Wigan and Wigan again in the third round of the FA Cup  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: frazzle on January 25, 2019, 06:13:15 AM
Burke quoted in local media saying he is happy at Celtic and is ‘now ready to give his all’. Maybe that was the problem - he was only willing to work hard enough if his place was already given to him rather than work hard to break into the team. I don’t like that quote.

Still, good luck to him. But two goals against the worst team in the league does not mean that he walks into our first team. JRod and Gayle would have scored six each!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: GREGMT on January 25, 2019, 09:02:08 AM
I'm glad Olly Burke has gone to Celtic, he simply has to have 1st team football at his age.

I still say we have too many players on the books and that's compounded problems.  We added Sako, Mears, Hoolahan and neither has made an impact so far.

For all calling to have additions in the transfer window, I don't actually see we need to add numbers.  If the quality is not there than that's a different issue.

I think what frustrates Moore's critics is that we have too many verterans with young players waiting in the wings.  The club has lost the ability to release players past their sell-by date, instead being over-cautious IMO.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: smethwick2 on January 25, 2019, 10:49:54 AM
bet you a tenner they dont

I think I'm more hopeful than anything! 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: frazzle on January 26, 2019, 02:10:31 PM
Back on the bench today. Shame. Was hoping he’d get another start.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 30, 2019, 07:41:35 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter account

“Oliver Burke starts up front for Celtic tonight. He's learning how to be a striker in Scotland, and that's the position Darren Moore is trying to convert him to #wba”
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gerry m on January 30, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter account

“Oliver Burke starts up front for Celtic tonight. He's learning how to be a striker in Scotland, and that's the position Darren Moore is trying to convert him to #wba”

Should that not be 'That's the position Brendon Rodgers  is trying to convert him to'.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BaggieMalone on January 30, 2019, 09:07:59 PM
Should that not be 'That's the position Brendon Rodgers  is trying to convert him to'.

When our new technical director was keen to stress that there wasnt the option to buy in the loan I’d hazard a guess he’s also made sure to have some say in what Celtic could do for Mr Burke in the terms of the loan and how he’s used.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on January 30, 2019, 10:01:00 PM
Played 68 minutes before being substituted in Cetic’s 2-0 win
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2019, 06:17:32 PM
Rejuvenated Oliver Burke had this to say about his Celtic future

Should we let him move on in the summer or should we hold on to him? Lots of variables involved in that question and the answer, no doubt

Source:  https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-celtic-oliver-burke-15781070
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albion79 on February 05, 2019, 06:45:43 PM
Personally i would look to sell him with a big sell on clause inserted.

We took a huge gamble when we signed him, he had only made about 15 starts i think at the time and we spent £12-£15m on him (i think £3m was clauses which i cant see we would had to of paid as we nor him have done anything since he joined) we basically brought potential. The germans are snapping up british talent at the moment and they gave up on him after less than a year and probably couldnt believe their luck when we made an offer.

We probably thought if it comes off then we could double our money on him being a young british talent,
Instead the potential is nowhere near being fulfilled and hasnt looked even remotely close to doing so, he has done nothing of note for us, he hasnt had a load of chances to be fair but even when he has there hasnt been a moment where you have thought 'ah, there is that potential'

Even this season with us dropping down a league he hasnt got in, he has now gone to play for the best club in scotland, i think if you put HRK up there he would get 30 goals a season, thats the standard.

It will probably do Burkes confidence good, If he is happy to stay there then i think the maximum we would get outright would be between £3m - £6m (depending how he does between now and the end of the season), i would take that and insert a big sell on clause just incase he does prove to be a star, however my gut instinct is the £3m - £6m is what we would end up with and just have to accept it was a gamble that backfired.

I hope i am wrong and he either comes back and is brilliant or goes on to be a star elsewhere, but i think he will still come unstuck when he faces better opposition if / when he moves on from scotland, quite simply because i dont think he is a particularly good footballer or has a football brain, i think he is a athlete who will be effective in poorer leagues, better players will suss him out.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: liverbaggie on February 05, 2019, 06:49:44 PM
If the Scots can afford £20 million then sell him if not they can train him up for us,thanks very much.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 05, 2019, 06:59:50 PM
Haha it would take HRK about 5 seasons to get 30 goals even in the SPL.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on February 05, 2019, 07:52:04 PM
He has been having little digs ever since he went up there.

- Darren Moore never spoke to him.
- nothing he could do was ever good enough
- finally got a manager who trusts him

You’d think he had hit 10 goals so far.  Not two against St Mirren.

I can see him throwing his toys out in the summer if he doesn’t get his move. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 06, 2019, 12:56:04 PM
He has been having little digs ever since he went up there.

- Darren Moore never spoke to him.
- nothing he could do was ever good enough
- finally got a manager who trusts him

You’d think he had hit 10 goals so far.  Not two against St Mirren.

I can see him throwing his toys out in the summer if he doesn’t get his move.

Well if what he's saying is true, I can see why he's annoyed. I'd be wanting to leave too.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 06, 2019, 01:13:55 PM
Well if what he's saying is true, I can see why he's annoyed. I'd be wanting to leave too.


If I were DM, I'd be wanting him to leave too.

DM has put a ridiculous amount of time into him, for a very small return.

It's the £15 million price tag that's holding everybody back, just impossible to write that value off without giving it your best shot.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on February 06, 2019, 01:57:08 PM
Just another example of how bad our club has been run recently.

I still don't think he will become the player many people believe he can. He just doesn't seem to have the footballing brain.

Someone like Burke should be having a field day in the Scottish league, with his pace and directness.

You only have to look at Scott Sinclairs time in Scotland compared to England to understand the levels aren't the same.

I would be looking to cut our losses with him in the summer, hopefully a successful loan spell at Celtic convinces someone to give us as much of the 15million back as possible.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: seteefeet on February 06, 2019, 02:26:06 PM
He has been having little digs ever since he went up there.

- Darren Moore never spoke to him.
- nothing he could do was ever good enough
- finally got a manager who trusts him

You’d think he had hit 10 goals so far.  Not two against St Mirren.

I can see him throwing his toys out in the summer if he doesn’t get his move.
Let's hope Rodgers trusts him to the tune of £15m, come the summer, somehow I doubt it.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on February 06, 2019, 02:53:43 PM
Well if what he's saying is true, I can see why he's annoyed. I'd be wanting to leave too.

Thats sort of my point. 'If' its true.

However I struggle to believe that Darren Moore, a man who has been involved in our youth set up, and a man who shook hands with every opposition player after a particular game, is so poor in man management that he hasn't spoken to him. Not speaking to a lad we spend 15m on when you only have 25-30 in a squad would be verging on incompetent.

I suspect its more that OB feels he has been due a chance and trust, whereas DM would probably say needs to earn it and I think his digs make him seem like he has a sense of entitlement.

 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: albion59 on February 06, 2019, 04:55:04 PM
I don't believe for one minute that Darren Moore never spoke to him, he is not that type of man he wouldn't ignore anyone.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 06, 2019, 10:12:42 PM
Scored again for Celtic tonight.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 07, 2019, 12:40:34 AM
I was only teasing when questioning the cleanliness of the men in hoops and those who follow them. A bit of teasing inevitably ensues when a Rangers fan marries into a family full of the heretics. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 10, 2019, 03:50:01 PM
Celtic 5-0 St Johnstone

Sinclair (3' minutes, 54' minutes, 89' minutes), Brown (9' minutes), Forrest (52' minutes)   

Scott Sinclair's first two goals were set up by Oliver Burke
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on February 10, 2019, 05:30:45 PM
Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers has told BBC Sport that West Bromwich Albion-owned winger Oliver Burke was brilliant against St Johnstone this afternoon.

Good news for us
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: alex1 on February 10, 2019, 05:44:39 PM
Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers has told BBC Sport that West Bromwich Albion-owned winger Oliver Burke was brilliant against St Johnstone this afternoon.

Good news for us

It's one thing being brilliant against St Johnstone. Another thing v Premier League opposition.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on February 10, 2019, 05:53:35 PM
It's one thing being brilliant against St Johnstone. Another thing v Premier League opposition.

We aren't in the Premier League so I'm not sure what your point is. St Johnstone on the other hand are in the Premier League  ;D
Burke is still young. He has been sent up to Celtic to get game time and improve his game. So far he has impressed and hopefully by the time the season ends he will have made some good progress and be ready to be the asset his raw skill promised. I really don't know what people are moaning about. It looked like a good plan at the time and so far it is paying dividends. We should be supporting the lad, not having a go at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gerry m on February 10, 2019, 05:54:56 PM
Celtic manager Brendan Rodgers has told BBC Sport that West Bromwich Albion-owned winger Oliver Burke was brilliant against St Johnstone this afternoon.

Good news for us

Well buy him at the end of the season Brendan. Obviously has not got a future here and lets put the money towards new signings (Hopefully).
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on February 10, 2019, 06:35:06 PM
Well buy him at the end of the season Brendan. Obviously has not got a future here and lets put the money towards new signings (Hopefully).
You come to this conclusion how exactly?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: alex1 on February 10, 2019, 06:40:17 PM

We aren't in the Premier League so I'm not sure what your point is. St Johnstone on the other hand are in the Premier League  ;D
Burke is still young. He has been sent up to Celtic to get game time and improve his game. So far he has impressed and hopefully by the time the season ends he will have made some good progress and be ready to be the asset his raw skill promised. I really don't know what people are moaning about. It looked like a good plan at the time and so far it is paying dividends. We should be supporting the lad, not having a go at every opportunity.

But we're talking about next season, and I thought the Premier League was where we were aiming to be? I wish the lad well and hope he finds his true potential. But I can't see it being with us. Maybe the game in Scotland suits him better. He obviously has bags of pace, but he always looked like he was lost with poor positional sense. If he scores a few goals in the Scottish league that will boost his confidence, but its a big step up even to the Championship. I think we have to be ready to cut our losses with him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on February 10, 2019, 06:51:05 PM
But we're talking about next season, and I thought the Premier League was where we were aiming to be? I wish the lad well and hope he finds his true potential. But I can't see it being with us. Maybe the game in Scotland suits him better. He obviously has bags of pace, but he always looked like he was lost with poor positional sense. If he scores a few goals in the Scottish league that will boost his confidence, but its a big step up even to the Championship. I think we have to be ready to cut our losses with him.
.....and that is what he will hopefully improve with regular games for Celtic. He's only 21 so too soon to write him off.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on February 10, 2019, 07:03:51 PM
Going to come back a totally different player after being Schooled by quality coach in Rodgers. Moore will have to give him game time no matter what league were in.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: frazzle on February 10, 2019, 07:18:04 PM
This season Moore and the staff started to convert him to a striker. He wasn’t getting ahead of our strikers so they loaned him out. To me the plan is working fine so far.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mikkyk on February 11, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
I think in an ideal world Celtic take him for a year next season as well. He may improve/learn slightly in his short time up there but I don't feel enough to get into our team when back (regardless of the division) so would need another year of improving to be good enough for us.

Worst case scenario out of all of this for us is we increase his transfer fee.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on February 11, 2019, 02:22:44 PM
I think in an ideal world Celtic take him for a year next season as well. He may improve/learn slightly in his short time up there but I don't feel enough to get into our team when back (regardless of the division) so would need another year of improving to be good enough for us.

Worst case scenario out of all of this for us is we increase his transfer fee.

I’d still be inclined to sell him, but because of his ability but because of his attitude.  Take £10m in the summer and move on.  We won’t miss what we’ve never had.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie38 on February 11, 2019, 03:11:06 PM
His good performances at Celtic plus his age only boosts his price up. I'd be asking for what we paid for him personally. Recouping what we paid would be good business given how much we paid.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 11, 2019, 03:44:08 PM
His good performances at Celtic plus his age only boosts his price up. I'd be asking for what we paid for him personally. Recouping what we paid would be good business given how much we paid.
if promoted I’d be asking for Tierney and send a couple mil their way. Could fix up LB for years.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gerry m on February 11, 2019, 04:26:35 PM
You come to this conclusion how exactly?

Just my opinion mate. Shipped off to Celtic and we loaned 2 wingers in. Don't think Big Dave trusts him. Might be wrong but those are my thoughts.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 11, 2019, 05:56:02 PM
I don't understand why everyone has just given up on Burke. Celtic are playing Valencia this week let's see how he fares against them. Lets face it he is a bit of a loose cannon, and I can understand why previous managers, have not risked him in relegation battles etc, but the assertion that because Pulis, Pardew, and Moore do not trust him, he is for the scrap heap, is nonsense.
All three have proved that they are not always correct in their player assessment.   Krychowiak for instance, Bartley for instance, and to make matters worse the managers persisted in playing those players.
If Burke continues to do well at Celtic, give him a proper chance whatever division we are in.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on February 11, 2019, 07:24:36 PM
I’d still be inclined to sell him, but because of his ability but because of his attitude.  Take £10m in the summer and move on.  We won’t miss what we’ve never had.
Eh? I've never heard a bad word about his attitude. Quite the opposite in fact.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on February 11, 2019, 10:07:04 PM
Playing upfront with his pace and movement suits him, I remember he played well away at West Ham last season. Moore never gave him a chance yet plays HRK every opportunity he gets. Not surprised he’s hit the ground running at Celtic. Shame we didn’t play him in our front three for a few games. His pace is electric. Better than Murphy in my view, as he’s stronger with a better technique.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: chipperclark on February 12, 2019, 02:40:04 AM
 :D Pulling trees up apparently with Celtic????? and wants to stay with them...Ok by me for 10 mill. ;D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: geoff on February 12, 2019, 07:49:36 PM
:D Pulling trees up apparently with Celtic????? and wants to stay with them...Ok by me for 10 mill. ;D

Plus add ons & a percentage of any sell on money
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
While it's still early days I feel Burke would have offered more than Murphy last 1 and a bit games...
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gavinrussell on February 12, 2019, 08:57:58 PM
While it's still early days I feel Burke would have offered more than Murphy last 1 and a bit games...
Tbh I think Willie Johnston would have pushed him close...
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on February 12, 2019, 10:22:59 PM
Think Rodgers and his coaching staff in short period have exposed our coaching staffs short comings in relation to our youngsters.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: darbolina on February 12, 2019, 10:35:51 PM
Burke vs Murphy and we chose Murphy?? Looks a weird choice?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie82 on February 13, 2019, 12:45:25 AM
Burke vs Murphy and we chose Murphy?? Looks a weird choice?

Plainly the wrong choice.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: elkiellis on February 13, 2019, 11:21:27 PM
Think Rodgers and his coaching staff in short period have exposed our coaching staffs short comings in relation to our youngsters.
This is a good point,apart from Barry and Gayle who are  naturals anyway,i cant really see how our coaching staffs have improved anyone
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Sted1990 on February 14, 2019, 08:48:35 AM
I’m off to the celtic game tonight, having never got to see more then cameo appearances for us it will be good to see how he plays against quality opposition in Valencia.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: geoff on February 14, 2019, 09:32:59 AM
I’m off to the celtic game tonight, having never got to see more then cameo appearances for us it will be good to see how he plays against quality opposition in Valencia.

Please let us hear your thoughts on his performance,cheers.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: rons on February 14, 2019, 08:57:06 PM
Watching Celtic,Burke playing cf has touched the ball twice in the first half, committed one foul and apart from that has run around like a headless chicken with very poor positional sense.I can see why he didn't get  much of a look in with us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Wigmore on February 14, 2019, 08:58:16 PM
Watchng the game, OB has shown a good turn of pace (which we already knew) and little else, albeit against a much higher grade of defender than he would meet in the SPL.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 14, 2019, 09:00:16 PM
Watching Celtic,Burke playing cf has touched the ball twice in the first half, committed one foul and apart from that has run around like a headless chicken with very poor positional sense.I can see why he didn't get  much of a look in with us.
Ridiculous statement.  You completely fail to mention he has had zero service and that Celtic can't even string 5 passes together in their third of the pitch let alone the final one.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan on February 14, 2019, 09:36:06 PM
He could be useful at this level, someone with his pace and physicality can always cause problems. He clearly doesn't have the technical ability level to make it much above this level though, his touch is terrible and he's found out against decent defenders.

He can make a nice career for himself hitting 15-20 a season in the SPL.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Wigmore on February 14, 2019, 09:43:12 PM
Booked.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 14, 2019, 09:56:14 PM
He could be useful at this level, someone with his pace and physicality can always cause problems. He clearly doesn't have the technical ability level to make it much above this level though, his touch is terrible and he's found out against decent defenders.

He can make a nice career for himself hitting 15-20 a season in the SPL.

Still not convinced he would do better than Scott Sinclair. :(
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 15, 2019, 10:33:29 AM
good all around if Burke gets to stay at Celtic. However, the challenge we will have is recouping anything like what we spent.  I cannot see Celtic coming up with more than £5m for him given their current spending profile, which may be well short of our valuation.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on February 15, 2019, 10:58:43 AM
My god the bloke has only been on loan for five minutes and fans are moaning. Stick the loans we got in January into a side to play a top Europea team who can bring on 35 million sub and see how they get on. No service last night was his problem.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: ashdoy on February 17, 2019, 05:38:13 PM
Anybody watching the lad? Granted he’s only been on 10minutes but the 3 involvements he’s had proves why he is nowhere near good enough for us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on February 17, 2019, 05:55:53 PM
Should have an assist at the stoppage time, but Weah's shot hit the post.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: timdon on February 17, 2019, 06:21:06 PM
Anybody watching the lad? Granted he’s only been on 10minutes but the 3 involvements he’s had proves why he is nowhere near good enough for us.
It proves no such thing. Wait until the end of the season at least to make that sort of call.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: ashdoy on February 17, 2019, 08:24:00 PM
It proves no such thing. Wait until the end of the season at least to make that sort of call.

4 managers, nearly 2 seasons, 3 different systems. Still nowhere near us.

Cut our losses, move on.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on February 22, 2019, 10:47:00 AM
Looks like Ollie's honeymoon period is over

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/02/22/celtic-fans-not-happy-with-oliver-burke-after-valencia-defeat/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 22, 2019, 12:50:18 PM
Looks like Ollie's honeymoon period is over

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/02/22/celtic-fans-not-happy-with-oliver-burke-after-valencia-defeat/

One of the embedded tweets saying Burke is not a striker. No he isn't, and nor should he be.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiejohn on February 26, 2019, 11:29:31 AM
Looks like Brendan Rogers is going to Leicester today. Wonder what will happen to Burke now?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on February 26, 2019, 11:56:09 AM
Looks like Brendan Rogers is going to Leicester today. Wonder what will happen to Burke now?
It's unlikely to be good news for Burke but he will complete his loan period and DM has always said he'll be coming back to us. Sounds like there was some sort of agreement that Burke would be used as a striker at Celtic so we'll have to see if that continues.
Re a comment above about he's not a striker.....all attackers have to be versatile these days, or it helps anyway. Burke is quick, decent in the air. Playing as a striker doesn't always mean being a genuine No 9 like a Rondon.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on February 26, 2019, 12:12:18 PM
Looks like Brendan Rogers is going to Leicester today. Wonder what will happen to Burke now?

Ask Brendon to do a swap deal with Burke for Barnes
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on February 26, 2019, 12:41:34 PM
Really bad news for us and Burke. Rodgers was likely picked as he has a good record of incorporating young players in the past. If Lennon gets the job, I wouldn't be surprised to see Burke become marginalised. One of the criticisms of his time at Hibs that seems to have been repeated by their captain last week was that he froze a few players out who are now getting game time again under a new boss.

Seeing as Burke has fell out of (or was never in) favour with Hassenhutl, Pulis, Pardew and then Moore, it is a reasonable guess that it may be a big risk with Lennon.

Better hope they opt for Clark as manager instead.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on March 18, 2019, 08:38:09 AM
Ollie was an unused sub in Celtic’s win yesterday.

Life under Lennon may be a different prospect for him altogether
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on March 18, 2019, 11:29:56 AM
Ollie was an unused sub in Celtic’s win yesterday.

Life under Lennon may be a different prospect for him altogether

recall him and offer him to Leicester in exchange for Barnes? We should take the punt that Brendan has been in Jockland so long his brains have been addled !
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on March 31, 2019, 04:17:03 PM
Ollie was an unused sub in the big Glasgow derby, which Celtic won 2-1

Another benching for him under Lennon
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 04, 2019, 02:33:42 PM
Ollie came on as a 73rd minute substitute as Celtic secured an eighth consecutive title.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on May 04, 2019, 02:59:14 PM
Ollie came on as a 73rd minute substitute as Celtic secured an eighth consecutive title.

Hope we can sell him
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: smosher34 on May 04, 2019, 08:32:39 PM
Got to be one of the worst buys by our club with the money paid out. Just hope it's all add ons.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: bosh on May 07, 2019, 10:21:15 PM
Anyone know what the terms of the transfer was in regards to lump (no comments please on his performances)  sum and attachments?

Hoping a lot was performance related.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2019, 10:36:39 PM
Anyone know what the terms of the transfer was in regards to lump (no comments please on his performances)  sum and attachments?

Hoping a lot was performance related.


Undisclosed  ;)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: bosh on May 07, 2019, 10:44:45 PM
Always undisclosed. Are any deals these as ever fully disclosed?

Surprised HMRC let clubs get away with it. No wonder the fair play rules are just flouted.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 07, 2019, 11:11:15 PM
Always undisclosed. Are any deals these as ever fully disclosed?

Surprised HMRC let clubs get away with it. No wonder the fair play rules are just flouted.

 ;D

This tickled me
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: liverbaggie on May 07, 2019, 11:32:59 PM
Is he in the squad for the playoffs?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: KN22 on May 08, 2019, 12:55:13 PM
Is he in the squad for the playoffs?

Not eligible
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on May 08, 2019, 03:20:00 PM
Always undisclosed. Are any deals these as ever fully disclosed?

Surprised HMRC let clubs get away with it. No wonder the fair play rules are just flouted.

undisclosed to the media, has to be in the detailed accounts though, HMRC will know whats been agreed, unless brown paper bags have been exchanged of course.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on May 08, 2019, 11:09:52 PM
undisclosed to the media, has to be in the detailed accounts though, HMRC will know whats been agreed, unless brown paper bags have been exchanged of course.

Always undisclosed, but then the press are told a clear b record singing of so and so in order for to go wow, I'll buy my season ticket now.

That and the constant link to signing William Carvalho was the season ticket marketing tactic.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on May 09, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
Featured regularly for Rodgers, hardly getting any game time under Lennon.

Rodgers wont be taking him to Leicester with the wingers they have there, so I could imagine he will be returning to us in the summer.

With the possible high number of outgoings, I wouldn't be surprised to see the club give him another crack, especially if we remain in the championship.

We wouldn't get anywhere near what we have paid for him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: leeiswba on May 09, 2019, 09:00:51 AM
Chap I know at work is a celtic fan, asked him what he thought of Burke and he just burst out laughing........
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: phbaggies on May 09, 2019, 09:02:09 AM
Can he still play for us (if needed) in the play offs, or officially still with Celtic until June 1st??
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on May 09, 2019, 09:06:39 AM
Can he still play for us (if needed) in the play offs, or officially still with Celtic until June 1st??

I believe the squads for the Play-offs are simply the same as the ones registered at the end of January. So no, he's not eligible.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: skyclad99 on May 09, 2019, 09:33:58 AM
Can he still play for us (if needed) in the play offs, or officially still with Celtic until June 1st??

I would say rthat he is not needed. Has not been here all season so why would James and Co take a chance on him with the two games coming up.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: paulosull on May 12, 2019, 07:20:25 PM
How did we spend a reported 15 million on this lad, definitely gone backwards since his loan move to Celtic. First touch is atrocious, movement of the ball is non existent and body language is poor.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on May 13, 2019, 09:51:27 AM
How did we spend a reported 15 million on this lad, definitely gone backwards since his loan move to Celtic. First touch is atrocious, movement of the ball is non existent and body language is poor.

You would hope it wasn't £15m up front, but based on installments and appearances. Would hope you hasn't cost us more than £5m so far.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on May 19, 2019, 04:12:39 PM
Started and hooked at h/t for Celtic today. Watched the first half to see how he was looking. Money down the drain.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on May 19, 2019, 04:16:59 PM
I've posted before on here I felt he left Forest far too soon , barely started developing before being shipped off to Germany .
There's a lot to be said for a couple of seasons under your belt.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dexy on May 19, 2019, 06:31:26 PM
Lads , lets just be careful with accusations regarding transfers deals and who did what . Please don't leave this site open to legal action.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on May 19, 2019, 07:32:31 PM
Let's put it this way the transfer made no logic at the time and it got a lot worse over time. The player has bombed out under 5 different coaches here and at Celtic. I cannot see where he goes from here. The fee is close to a 100% right off I don't know who was reponsible for it but they aren't here any more so there is nothing to be done for it.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on May 19, 2019, 09:31:59 PM
Let's put it this way the transfer made no logic at the time and it got a lot worse over time. The player has bombed out under 5 different coaches here and at Celtic. I cannot see where he goes from here. The fee is close to a 100% right off I don't know who was reponsible for it but they aren't here any more so there is no is nothing to be done for it.

Doesn't matter what happened to facilitate this deal, the truth is it was a lack control by the hiercachy of the club that let it happen.

The disinterested/incompetent Williams, Goodman and Hammond should have questioned and stopped the deal.

Too much power give Pulis and his never been relegated record.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on May 19, 2019, 10:21:19 PM
Celtic fans to a man have said he has been awful after a decent start. Depending on how long he has left in his contract, I think a league 1 loan move for 6 months would be the best thing for him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: boinging_along on May 20, 2019, 06:24:34 AM
Its funny, i dont remember many cristicising the deal when we signed hin.  "Young and upcoming", "incredible talent", etc.  Some young players just never push on unfortunately.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: darbolina on May 20, 2019, 08:47:20 AM
He needs to start again.

In our position and in his position, he'd and we'd be wise to try to find a player in there.

Can we get a coach who can do that? Does he want to be a decent footballer ?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Dan on May 20, 2019, 09:32:49 AM
Leipzig also bought him for 15m so I'm not sure I can go along with this why on earth did we buy him, clearly there is some talent there. He just seems to have regressed if anything since his breakthrough.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone will still gamble on him, though nothing like the money we spent - which as said was hopefully heavily clause based.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggiejohn on May 20, 2019, 12:29:33 PM
Leipzig also bought him for 15m so I'm not sure I can go along with this why on earth did we buy him, clearly there is some talent there. He just seems to have regressed if anything since his breakthrough.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone will still gamble on him, though nothing like the money we spent - which as said was hopefully heavily clause based.

I'm not sure how long he's contracted for, but as I understand it, the transfer fee is written down over the term of the contract. So he won't have a "book value" of £15 million now.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 20, 2019, 12:52:18 PM
I'm not sure how long he's contracted for, but as I understand it, the transfer fee is written down over the term of the contract. So he won't have a "book value" of £15 million now.

Yeah, that's how it's done for accounting purposes.

The player is treated as an employee; it's his registration that's treated as an asset. So the transfer fee becomes depreciation against the length of that contract.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on May 20, 2019, 12:56:12 PM
So I did get to see him play for Forest on a couple of occasions.  In their squad he did look good at the time, and clearly Leipzig thought so as well.  In his brief appearances for us I have also seen flashes of good (but not brilliant) play.  Like all footballers he will play on confidence and I can imagine how horrible it must feel to go from hero to being loathed in eighteen months.  We need a coaching team and manager who can get him back to where he was/should be.  If we sell we realise a significant loss which would go straight against profit.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 20, 2019, 01:03:30 PM
So ILike all footballers he will play on confidence and I can imagine how horrible it must feel to go from hero to being loathed in eighteen months.  We need a coaching team and manager who can get him back to where he was/should be.  did get to see him play for Forest on a couple of occasions.  In their squad he did look good at the time, and clearly Leipzig thought so as well.  In his brief appearances for us I have also seen flashes of good (but not brilliant) play.  If we sell we realise a significant loss which would go straight against profit.

That for me is key, he just never got a decent run of games. I do think that he is better than he has shown for us so far. Where to play him is the other quandry as he often plays through the middle for Scotland (not sure where Celtic played him) so do we use him there, out wide or just behind a front striker?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: tuamigos on May 20, 2019, 01:05:58 PM
That for me is key, he just never got a decent run of games. I do think that he is better than he has shown for us so far. Where to play him is the other quandry as he often plays through the middle for Scotland (not sure where Celtic played him) so do we use him there, out wide or just behind a front striker?

Didn't he get a run of games at Celtic but was still rated as useless by the fans.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BoingFlyer on May 20, 2019, 01:09:50 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again. The kid's body language suggests he does not enjoy being a footballer. No amount of talent or physical attributes will carry someone whose heart is not in it.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on May 20, 2019, 03:36:15 PM
In the first half for Celtic the other day he looked completely uninterested. Painful to watch.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Oldbury24 on May 20, 2019, 03:42:06 PM
That for me is key, he just never got a decent run of games. I do think that he is better than he has shown for us so far. Where to play him is the other quandry as he often plays through the middle for Scotland (not sure where Celtic played him) so do we use him there, out wide or just behind a front striker?

TP's lasting legacy to the club.  Now dismissed by at least 5 or 6 coaches as just not good enough, and if you can't make an impact in Scotland you aren't going to make one anywhere (Sinclair - say no more). Whatever it takes to become a top level footballer, this kid just hasn't got it. Shame for him and shame for us - we may not have paid   £15 million up front but it's cost us a fair few quid.  I'm sure TP did ok out of it somehow.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: royhan on May 28, 2019, 12:26:33 PM
Steve Clarke has named Albion's Oliver Burke in his first Scotland squad for the Euro 2020 double-header against Cyprus and Belgium.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: don1thedon on May 28, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
Quite a surprise given his recent form but hopefully good for us, SC obviously sees something in the lad worth pursuing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on May 28, 2019, 02:55:30 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

Oliver Burke's potential move to Celtic thrown into doubt as Neil Lennon is offered the job. Albion still owe RB Leipzig final £5m payment on his £15m transfer

So we've already paid £10m for him, wow, just wow.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on May 28, 2019, 03:10:08 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

Oliver Burke's potential move to Celtic thrown into doubt as Neil Lennon is offered the job. Albion still owe RB Leipzig final £5m payment on his £15m transfer

So we've already paid £10m for him, wow, just wow.

My own choice of words would be far stronger.

Fair play for keeping it clean  ;D .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on May 28, 2019, 05:25:39 PM
In an ideal world, Burke would be loaned out early in to a lower championship club like Wigan, or better still, one of the relegated sides to league 1. It would allow him some game time and hopefully allow him to get some confidence. We need to have a long term plan for him so that we get some of our miney back.

Sadly with the squad turn over that will happen this summer, he will likely stay as a 4th choice player, wasting like he did last year.

He needs game time at an easier level to master a position.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on May 28, 2019, 06:44:40 PM
TP's lasting legacy to the club.  Now dismissed by at least 5 or 6 coaches as just not good enough, and if you can't make an impact in Scotland you aren't going to make one anywhere (Sinclair - say no more). Whatever it takes to become a top level footballer, this kid just hasn't got it. Shame for him and shame for us - we may not have paid   £15 million up front but it's cost us a fair few quid.  I'm sure TP did ok out of it somehow.
There's a connection there - Sinclair performs in a Brendan Rogers team (including Swansea in the prem of course) and it was a disaster for Burke and maybe us that Rodgers left Celtic.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on May 28, 2019, 09:05:03 PM
Matt Wilson Twitter Account

Oliver Burke's potential move to Celtic thrown into doubt as Neil Lennon is offered the job. Albion still owe RB Leipzig final £5m payment on his £15m transfer

So we've already paid £10m for him, wow, just wow.

I would take this with pinch of salt as he has just divided the upto fee by 3 and seen that he's been with for 2 years and calculated that we must owe £5m.

The fee was reported to be up to £15m with add ons.

Unless the add ons were time spent on the bench and generally being useless (nothing would surprise me with Albion though), I don't think we' d see any add ons.

What is likely he has been fed this figure from swain to tell the masses we haven't got any money and here is one of the reasons why..
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: graka on May 28, 2019, 09:09:04 PM
He is a close friend of a family member who played with him at forest and i was really excited when we signed him after hearing how good a player he is.
His best performances came under Brendan Rogers who I would argue is the best coach he has played under. 
Whilst he isn't a world heater is he any worse than Murphy who we gave a run of games to??
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mig on May 28, 2019, 09:31:52 PM
Played well under a manager who lets attacking players thrive. Performs poorly under managers who shackle attacking players and expect them to defend first and foremost.

Genuinley think he could be great in this league, but it entirely depends on who we bring in as manager.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on May 29, 2019, 08:19:25 AM
He is a close friend of a family member who played with him at forest and i was really excited when we signed him after hearing how good a player he is.
His best performances came under Brendan Rogers who I would argue is the best coach he has played under. 
Whilst he isn't a world heater is he any worse than Murphy who we gave a run of games to??

that explains the enigma that is Oliver Burke, he is in fact boilerman !
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: overseas baggie on May 29, 2019, 08:22:14 AM
He is a close friend of a family member who played with him at forest and i was really excited when we signed him after hearing how good a player he is.
His best performances came under Brendan Rogers who I would argue is the best coach he has played under. 
Whilst he isn't a world heater is he any worse than Murphy who we gave a run of games to??

I think Murphy offered slightly more, but it’s marginal.  Murphy just edges it on body language.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on May 29, 2019, 08:45:01 AM
Would be surprised to not see him here come the start of the season.

With us losing Gayle, potentially losing Rodriguez and Phillips and with Murphy and Montero going back we are extremely light on attacking players.

We wont get anywhere near what we paid for him so I would expect him to be involved during pre season and seeing what kind of performances he puts in.

If he is still here come Aug/Sept and nowhere near the first team squad, then realistically he needs to be looking to go out on loan to a league 1 team in my opinion.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Doobuy on May 30, 2019, 09:31:31 AM
Let's hope the add-ons don't include international caps...! Hopefully his call up isn't steve clarke having a dig at us - give him 2 mins and trigger a payment!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on May 31, 2019, 03:05:58 PM
Burke was an unused sub' when RB Leipzig beat Labbadia's Hamburger SV side 0-4 toward the end of his reign as manager. I'd be interested to know his thoughts re' Oliver's time in the Bundesliga and whether he rated him/thought he had potential as a player.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: salaswba on June 08, 2019, 09:52:07 PM
Just scored the winner for Scotland and first senior international goal after coming on as a sub and utilised as a striker for 20 mins. Was in tears at the end. Too many people have written his Albion career off
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 08, 2019, 10:33:59 PM
Just scored the winner for Scotland and first senior international goal after coming on as a sub and utilised as a striker for 20 mins. Was in tears at the end. Too many people have written his Albion career off

I'm pretty sure that whatever our shortcomings are when it comes to acting decisively, freezing Burke out has been for a very good reason. It's now or never for him this season.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 08, 2019, 11:00:50 PM
Maybe, just maybe.............I really want this kid to make it.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: colinmax on June 09, 2019, 02:49:37 PM
I don't think he has been given a fair chance at the Albion.he has potential but is not the finished article.
He was clinical in despatching the ball into the net where many many would have ballooned the bouncing ball over the bar.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 09, 2019, 03:15:27 PM
I don't think he has been given a fair chance at the Albion.he has potential but is not the finished article.
He was clinical in despatching the ball into the net where many many would have ballooned the bouncing ball over the bar.
Some of our supporters do not appreciate the massive burden of being the most expensive Scottish player ever, and never being given even a little run by a succession of poor Albion managers.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on June 09, 2019, 10:07:05 PM
Terrible player, who I hope recoup some money back for.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 10, 2019, 01:22:36 PM
If we're going to keep hold of him, we need to give him some proper coaching. Try to teach him how to move on the pitch, and try to get him enthusiastic about playing for us.

I can't see it, but it would require some proper man management.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Adder on June 10, 2019, 07:16:12 PM
If we're going to keep hold of him, we need to give him some proper coaching. Try to teach him how to move on the pitch, and try to get him enthusiastic about playing for us.

I can't see it, but it would require some proper man management.
Last season he was being coached re the conversion into a central striker and being used in that role was a condition of his move to Celtic. Just a pity Rogers left.
Darren Fletcher analysing on Sky said he needs to keep it simple - use his pace and power and don't try anything too intricate which seems to make sense. He also made the comparison of the likes of Sala and Mane and the way they are always working, making runs even if they don't receive the ball for most of the runs they make in a game. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BigFrank20 on June 25, 2019, 03:26:45 AM
There were hints at today's presser of something untoward happening concerning Burke and Celtic, any one know what happened (allegedly) I know Lennon stopped playing him but the hints were of something else (allegedly)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mister AT on June 25, 2019, 09:35:40 AM
Interesting comments from Dowling regarding Burke and Celtic.

From his quotes I would say something has happened between the clubs and the player, anyone know of anything?

Be interesting to see if Burke can knuckle down this pre season and force his way into Bilic's plans. Does seem like he's in the last chance saloon with us now, although I can see us keeping him til at least January as the rebuild is big enough and the money we receive for him wouldn't really help us too much.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Atomic on June 25, 2019, 10:29:18 AM
Interesting comments from Dowling regarding Burke and Celtic.

From his quotes I would say something has happened between the clubs and the player, anyone know of anything?

Be interesting to see if Burke can knuckle down this pre season and force his way into Bilic's plans. Does seem like he's in the last chance saloon with us now, although I can see us keeping him til at least January as the rebuild is big enough and the money we receive for him wouldn't really help us too much.


There are some people criticising Dowling for his comments, Chris Lepkowski included, but I don't instead I find myself admiring his honesty.

I don't think Burke is a lost cause. If Bilic plays with a three man attack I can see Burke getting opportunities this coming season, the wide forward role might suit him. I'd rather have him as an option off the bench than Robson-Kanu. There were times last season when in the second half of games we sank deep and the opposition defenders pushed higher up. Someone with Burke's pace could've given us a terrific threat in behind but he was never used that way. Villa play off match was a perfect example. When Rodriguez went off we put Leko on who did practically nothing. Had we put Burke on and told him to sit on the shoulder of the defender and look for the opportunity in behind the Seals would've had to be on their toes at the back. One decent ball and he's not for catching.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 25, 2019, 01:11:47 PM
'Ridicuous' Celtic bosses have released this blunt West Brom statement

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/ridicuous-celtic-bosses-released-blunt-16482532.amp?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: koren on June 25, 2019, 01:52:21 PM
The battle between two clubs didn't help Burke, it will only make him more stressed.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: darbolina on June 25, 2019, 02:30:55 PM
Burke is 22 he needs to really take his career more seriously and take some much needed coaching on board.  He's had a few too many failures under many different coaches now for it not to be him..............

The club are maybe trying to protect him for what ended up being a failed loan at Celtic from his perspective. It'll blow over if Dowling upset Celtic I'm sure.

I still put a massive onus on the player needing to get his head into his career now. He hasn't look bothered or desperate to make an impact. Having said that, like any young player he needs an environment where someone gives him a sustained chance in a fixed position to learn his trade and develop.

We also need to treat him like a youth player e.g. Field, Edwards or Leko  this year who is still developing - forget that Pulis paid 15m for him (arggggh!)

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on June 25, 2019, 02:31:01 PM
Personally don't agree with Dowling. There are no guarantees when a player goes out on loan. Everything was going fairly well until Rodgers sodded off. Lennon didn't owe Burke or WBA anything. Can't be helped. Dowling came across like a young boy that had been told off. Should know better.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mooncat on June 25, 2019, 03:26:49 PM
Same as when we've taken players on loan and then not used them a la Gnabry, Montero and the left back from Everton whose name escapes me.

I know most of that predates Dowling but it does leave us wide open of accusations of hypocrisy
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: MarkW on June 25, 2019, 03:32:45 PM
Loans typically have set agreements in place regarding wages, play time and even position. To me it sounds like something was agreed with either Celtic or Rodgers and then the change of manager has gone against whatever was agreed (I was assume it was pitch time).

Is it frustrating? Yes. Should Dowling have called Celtic out publicly? Probably not.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on June 25, 2019, 03:55:38 PM
Burke is 22 he needs to really take his career more seriously and take some much needed coaching on board.  He's had a few too many failures under many different coaches now for it not to be him..............



I think this is unfair. I don't rate Burke but I don't know if we have any reason to suggest he doesn't take his career seriously or doesn't try and take coaching on board. He may just not have the ability it was once thought he may have.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: AlbionFan on June 25, 2019, 03:58:25 PM
Could be he peaked too early and is unable to sustain a good level.

The same fate may be awaiting Harper and L. Barry, how knows
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: hardtobeat on June 25, 2019, 04:05:33 PM
Personally don't agree with Dowling. There are no guarantees when a player goes out on loan. Everything was going fairly well until Rodgers sodded off. Lennon didn't owe Burke or WBA anything. Can't be helped. Dowling came across like a young boy that had been told off. Should know better.
There are certain guarantees written in to most loan deals these days . One Prem club Everton ? even included penalty clauses stipulating that players must play a minimum percentage of games when fit regardless of how well or not they ere playing .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: gazberg on June 25, 2019, 04:47:35 PM
I cannot see any one agreeing to a clause for Oli Burke. If theydid we should be chasing them OUT of the public eye.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: alex1 on June 25, 2019, 05:40:39 PM
I think managers have been taken in by his blistering pace. The problem is his brain doesn't seem to think at the same speed. His anticipation and timing seem to be out of kilter. Leipzig management reportedly said he lacked tactical awareness.
Given the lack of forwards which threatens next season, maybe he won't have too much competition up front, but if that fails we'll have to write him off as a loss, and get what we can for him. That was Pulis' blunder, and that from the same manager who didn't rate Serge Gnarbry, now first choice striker for Bayern Munich and the German national team.
 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 25, 2019, 05:52:30 PM
My guess would be that Burke was nothing to do with Pulis - apart from the rubber stamp.  If ever there was a player that didn't fit the Pulis mold it's Oli.  If Pulis was given the money he would spend it on someone who was proven, would grind out a 6/10 performance every week, and would be rigid in following team orders/formation.  I think it's more likely it was Hammond that identified he was available and pushed to sign his potential.  Spending £15m on a kid that had started less than 20 games - none in the PL - is complete madness... and not your standard, solid Pulis player.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: alex1 on June 25, 2019, 07:43:28 PM
My guess would be that Burke was nothing to do with Pulis - apart from the rubber stamp.  If ever there was a player that didn't fit the Pulis mold it's Oli.  If Pulis was given the money he would spend it on someone who was proven, would grind out a 6/10 performance every week, and would be rigid in following team orders/formation.  I think it's more likely it was Hammond that identified he was available and pushed to sign his potential.  Spending £15m on a kid that had started less than 20 games - none in the PL - is complete madness... and not your standard, solid Pulis player.

So Hammond did this off his own bat without reference to Pulis? Surely when it comes to spending £15 milion of the Club's money, the first team manager couldn't be overruled? Is Pulis known for accepting new signings without his blessing?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 26, 2019, 10:56:17 AM
So Hammond did this off his own bat without reference to Pulis? Surely when it comes to spending £15 milion of the Club's money, the first team manager couldn't be overruled? Is Pulis known for accepting new signings without his blessing?

My guess would be that Burke was nothing to do with Pulis - apart from the rubber stamp.  If ever there was a player that didn't fit the Pulis mold it's Oli.  If Pulis was given the money he would spend it on someone who was proven, would grind out a 6/10 performance every week, and would be rigid in following team orders/formation.  I think it's more likely it was Hammond that identified he was available and pushed to sign his potential.  Spending £15m on a kid that had started less than 20 games - none in the PL - is complete madness... and not your standard, solid Pulis player.

Next you'll be telling us that Pulis wanted HRK.  I think the club said that he wanted 5 and he got 5, but Pulis said I didn't want (all) those 5.  There was a public (press) bust up about it.

I just don't believe that Burke is a Pulis style player, or Pulis buy.  Give me an example of him buying another youngster, expecially for big money.  He buys tried and tested every time.  More likely the club thinking he was a good investment (and in theory it is - many clubs buy young talent, develop them and sell them on for profit) and Pulis thinking he might have something, and rubber stamping the deal.  If he was a Pulis pick he'd certainly have had more of a chance at game time.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 26, 2019, 11:04:27 AM
Didn't Pulis come out at the time and say that he'd watched Burke play for Scotland U21s at the Toulon tournament and that he was someone he wanted to sign?

Found this article which states that Pulis had watched Burke a number of times and was someone he wanted to sign.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/08/25/tony-pulis-oliver-burke-has-tools-to-play-several-positions/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 26, 2019, 11:16:29 AM
Didn't Pulis come out at the time and say that he'd watched Burke play for Scotland U21s at the Toulon tournament and that he was someone he wanted to sign?

Found this article which states that Pulis had watched Burke a number of times and was someone he wanted to sign.

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/08/25/tony-pulis-oliver-burke-has-tools-to-play-several-positions/

Reading that, it sounds like my assumption was completely wrong!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2019, 10:51:28 PM
Ollie Burke has randomly deleted everything not Scotland or Celtic related off his Instagram account. Strange behaviour.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: NathWBA on August 01, 2019, 11:02:26 PM
Seems very strange but a lot of fans seem to be massively over reacting on twitter, if anything it looks like he’s been hacked by a Celtic fan, there’s no photos or anything that link him to us by like wise there’s nothing from his time at Forest or Leipzig
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: johnny Cash on August 02, 2019, 11:29:10 AM
Seems very strange but a lot of fans seem to be massively over reacting on twitter, if anything it looks like he’s been hacked by a Celtic fan, there’s no photos or anything that link him to us by like wise there’s nothing from his time at Forest or Leipzig

If he had been hacked by a Celtic fan they would have deleted the Scotland picture too.

It is strange and appears petulant. Suggests he's fallen out with Bilic or someone else at the club to me and could well be another player to go out before the window closes.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: royhan on August 02, 2019, 11:51:42 AM
If he had been hacked by a Celtic fan they would have deleted the Scotland picture too.

It is strange and appears petulant. Suggests he's fallen out with Bilic or someone else at the club to me and could well be another player to go out before the window closes.


No tears will be shed, particularly if we get back a large chunk of the money we paid for him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on August 02, 2019, 12:18:04 PM
Hadn't really got any interest in the story but my curiosity got the better of me, so i've had a look on there and there are only 6 pictured, the latest of which is from early July, with Burke in his Albion training gear saying great to be back.

Am I missing something? He has just deleted most of his pictures 😂😂. Total non story. Bet he plays tomorrow.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: mulliganstired on August 02, 2019, 12:21:25 PM
I still think he could turn out to be a very useful player, he had a decent half season at Celtic, so let's give him a chance on the pitch, sod twitter and all that shizzle
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 02, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
Hadn't really got any interest in the story but my curiosity got the better of me, so i've had a look on there and there are only 6 pictured, the latest of which is from early July, with Burke in his Albion training gear saying great to be back.

Am I missing something? He has just deleted most of his pictures 😂😂. Total non story. Bet he plays tomorrow.


Albion pic wasn't there yesterday.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: SmethDan on August 02, 2019, 12:59:57 PM
I was beside myself with panic when I read he'd deleted Albion photos from his Instagram.

Good to see he's put one back up, phew.

I'll be able to sleep easy ahead of our first game tomorrow now.

In my experience rest before beers is as vastly under rated as games after beers are vastly over rated.

Never mind, COYB  8) .
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: 17GD on August 02, 2019, 02:18:34 PM
It seems his Instagram has been hacked before if you look at the screenshot he uploaded to Twitter a while ago.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: WBArgo on August 02, 2019, 03:02:21 PM
Probably hacked if you think about it.

It's pretty obvious it didn't end well at Celtic with Lennon, Dowling et al so the last thing he'd do is go back there.
That said, I do wonder if he'll be used much this season - he's been with us under 4 different managers now and all have used him sparingly.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on August 02, 2019, 03:45:54 PM
He should replace all his pictures with one massive t urd and his name on it.

Get rid asap.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Standaman on August 02, 2019, 05:29:09 PM
Footballer does something on social media we therefore can deduce ….. not very much. There is very little chance of us seeing any of the fee back unless he starts playing some games somewhere for someone and he is here until 2022. If Bilic can get a tune out of him that would be an unexpected bonus.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: BalisPen on August 03, 2019, 08:49:27 PM
Footballer does something on social media we therefore can deduce ….. not very much. There is very little chance of us seeing any of the fee back unless he starts playing some games somewhere for someone and he is here until 2022. If Bilic can get a tune out of him that would be an unexpected bonus.

From his cameo today he could hit cow backside with Banjo. So no tune there imo.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 03, 2019, 09:16:28 PM
From his cameo today he could hit cow backside with Banjo. So no tune there imo.


He didn't have a shot? Strange comment.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: saml30 on August 03, 2019, 09:52:52 PM
Was invisible and irrelevant when he cam on today but I suppose he didn’t really get a chance to get in behind them. I still believe there is hope for the lad
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: baggie96 on August 08, 2019, 07:19:35 PM
Loan to league one an option? Give him 6 months at a Sunderland/pompy etc. Got potential but needs to play
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Baggies on August 08, 2019, 07:24:53 PM
Loan to league one an option? Give him 6 months at a Sunderland/pompy etc. Got potential but needs to play

I really think it is important that we make this happen, although I doubt it at the moment. A loan move to Scotland or even abroad is also possible.

Burke is now 6th choice winger and 4th choice striker. We need to be proactive in boosting his career prospects or his value. No point him rotting.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke (on loan at Celtic)
Post by: Albionic on August 09, 2019, 11:32:16 AM
I really think it is important that we make this happen, although I doubt it at the moment. A loan move to Scotland or even abroad is also possible.

Burke is now 6th choice winger and 4th choice striker. We need to be proactive in boosting his career prospects or his value. No point him rotting.

Ask Forest to have him back, might be the tonic / shock he needs
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Wbamitch on August 09, 2019, 05:23:04 PM
Haven't seen anything over the last month that has made me feel this guy can make an impact although I have a feeling there is a few more appearances to come as Bilic tests out what he is looking for. Mentioned in another thread he is not a striker but I truthfully do not see where he fits in, no problem with a loan.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: AlbionFan on August 09, 2019, 06:28:57 PM
Oliver Burke has been, without doubt, a footballing conundrum, but we are the ones having to solve it and, personally, I have no clue  :-X
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Adder on August 09, 2019, 06:58:32 PM
I think it's too early to say he's not a striker. There are different types of striker, he has undoubtedly got pace and physical stature. He didn't have much of a look-in on Saturday after he came on ...though he did have the sense to take the ball into the corner towards the end of the game.
Remains to be seen how much of a look-in he gets. There's a lot of competition now and he's going to have to impress day in day out in training and in whatever game time he gets.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 10, 2019, 06:08:45 PM
2 appearances this season and I am sure I can count the times he touched the ball on one hand. Not sure what he offers the team. He defiantly isn't a centre forward.

The 3 deadline day signings will have killed his chances off for me this season. He will be one of the ones who doesn't make the 18
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: The Joust on August 10, 2019, 06:44:36 PM
Rubbish again. Not interested, not good enough. League 1 player at best. Get rid.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Gilsey 56 on August 10, 2019, 07:52:47 PM
I hate to say it and hope to be proved wrong but he's no idea hats going on around him and has o application whatsoever.
I know its hard to come on as a sub and get involved straight away but the signs are not good.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2019, 08:03:42 PM
Managers, Head Coaches have tried him in forward and midfield roles without finding his best position, as a last resort, I wonder if anyone’s thought about a defensive role?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tlms-p23 on August 10, 2019, 08:12:29 PM
Has all the tools to be a world-class winger in Rugby. 6ft2, 14st, greased lightening. Get him with ball in hand and he’d be unstoppable. Ball at his feet though? Bag of w*nk.

In all seriousness, I think we’ve all seen enough to know what we are working with. All the physical tools, none of the technical or tactical quality.

Doesn’t have a first touch. No spatial awareness. Doesn’t know where to run, when to run, what is a useful run, a useless run, etc, etc. He hasn’t developed under the multiple coaches he has had and that points to him being unable to learn. He’s not a footballer.

If you saw him for 5 mins you’d think he could be a world beater but having seen him make 20+ sub appearances, it’s clear he isn’t up to it.

Hopefully the bloke who sanctioned a £15m punt (Pulis? Williams?) on the rawest of players is long gone. Would imagine once Slaven gets some of the new boys up to speed Burke will be back playing u23s with a view to moving him on permanently?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2019, 08:47:16 PM
Everything that's wrong about English football. Seems if you are big and have plenty of pace you have more chance of making it as opposed to the more technical side. Seems Burke is a prime example.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tuamigos on August 10, 2019, 09:11:06 PM
Managers, Head Coaches have tried him in forward and midfield roles without finding his best position, as a last resort, I wonder if anyone’s thought about a defensive role?

Personally Id swap him for Sam Johnstone for a couple of games and see how he gets  on
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2019, 09:31:17 PM
Personally Id swap him for Sam Johnstone for a couple of games and see how he gets  on

That’s not a bad shout
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: zippyandbungle on August 10, 2019, 10:13:35 PM
Personally Id swap him for Sam Johnstone for a couple of games and see how he gets  on
I'd swap Sam Johnstone for an orange and a bag of nuts
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 10, 2019, 11:11:15 PM
Just give us all a bag of nuts..just wartched the replay
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 10, 2019, 11:26:52 PM
Some of the posts on here are getting pathetic.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 11, 2019, 08:57:38 AM
Impossible to judge him when he only gets the odd 15 minutes here and there. I don't actually know what he is but I don't think he's a striker that's for sure, when he was on with Kanu they both kept trying to run into the same space when we had the ball out wide.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: liverbaggie on August 11, 2019, 11:51:07 AM
I don't think he has a football brain or can understand instructions,shame but sell him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tuamigos on August 11, 2019, 01:22:48 PM
Impossible to judge him when he only gets the odd 15 minutes here and there. I don't actually know what he is but I don't think he's a striker that's for sure, when he was on with Kanu they both kept trying to run into the same space when we had the ball out wide.

TBH on yesterday's showing I'd put HRK infront of Burke and Ken
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tlms-p23 on August 13, 2019, 10:10:35 PM
Thought Burke was going to be a superstar when he signed - he doesn't have a tactical thought in his head. Doesn't know where to stand, where to run, who to pass to, never seems to know if he has time or space. ZERO footballing initiative or understanding.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he's so out of his depth. Scouts and coaches obviously look at him and (quite rightly) think he's got the perfect physical qualities for modern footballer and assume you can teach the technical and tactical stuff. He'll never have the technical or tactical quality to cut it in the Championship, let alone higher.

He's a kid with what looks like raw potential on a Youtube highlights reel. The fact is he has done squat since he played for Forest. It doesn't seem like he as the potential to grow into anything better than he is because he doesn't seem to take anything in - there has been ZERO development in him since the day he signed. Any potential he has is athletic and not footballing.

Between us and Leipzig, £28 million has been spent on this kid. I'd genuinely rather have Mickey Evans or Fabian de Freitas.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: caravanc58 on August 13, 2019, 10:24:39 PM
he's like an expensive pair of shoes that just don't fit correctly. too much money spent buying them to just throw away but no matter how long you keep them they'll never be any use.😦
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: WBArgo on August 13, 2019, 10:38:34 PM
Thought Burke was going to be a superstar when he signed - he doesn't have a tactical thought in his head. Doesn't know where to stand, where to run, who to pass to, never seems to know if he has time or space. ZERO footballing initiative or understanding.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he's so out of his depth. Scouts and coaches obviously look at him and (quite rightly) think he's got the perfect physical qualities for modern footballer and assume you can teach the technical and tactical stuff. He'll never have the technical or tactical quality to cut it in the Championship, let alone higher.

He's a kid with what looks like raw potential on a Youtube highlights reel. The fact is he has done squat since he played for Forest. It doesn't seem like he as the potential to grow into anything better than he is because he doesn't seem to take anything in - there has been ZERO development in him since the day he signed. Any potential he has is athletic and not footballing.

Between us and Leipzig, £28 million has been spent on this kid. I'd genuinely rather have Mickey Evans or Fabian de Freitas.

It's odd you mention Forest, because he looked good there - since then he's looked worse which shouldn't be happening at his age.
I agree that he just doesn't have a footballing brain. He has pace power, athleticism etc but not much else it seems and sadly he makes James McClean look like an intelligent footballer.

I do hope it works out for him but he's played for us under 5 managers now and it doesn't look good.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: TheBrom on August 13, 2019, 10:39:54 PM
Think he was given his big chance tonight with 90 minutes and no replacements on the bench and again didn’t deliver. Not sure where tonight leaves him now but hope the new signings make more of an impact.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 13, 2019, 10:40:12 PM
Needs a loan move somewhere he will get regular games, only options seem to be SPL with the exception of the big 2. With the additions we have made in wide areas I wouldn't be surprised if he does move out somewhere before the window closes.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: alex1 on August 13, 2019, 10:49:01 PM
He just hasn't got a footballing brain. His anticipation is all wrong and he seems continually on a different wavelength to his teammates. I believe Leipzig released him because he lacked tactical awareness, something that is all too obvious. A record of one competitive goal since he's been with us is pretty appalling. I think we just have to accept we made a mistake and try and get something for him from a lower division or SPL club.   
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Aztech on August 13, 2019, 10:51:37 PM
Needs a loan move somewhere he will get regular games, only options seem to be SPL with the exception of the big 2. With the additions we have made in wide areas I wouldn't be surprised if he does move out somewhere before the window closes.

I’d suggest somewhere like Bromsgrove Sporting where he should get a regular appearance from the bench.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 13, 2019, 11:01:47 PM
I’d suggest somewhere like Bromsgrove Sporting where he should get a regular appearance from the bench.

About the same level as the SPL then  :D
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Aztech on August 13, 2019, 11:03:46 PM
About the same level as the SPL then  :D

Yes  ;) Bromsgrove fan base is probably on a par with some SPL clubs as well.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Dan87uk on August 13, 2019, 11:04:41 PM
Hopefully the last time we see him in an Albion shirt. Waste of space, get him out on loan back to the pub league north of the border. Looks like its his level.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Blowee on August 13, 2019, 11:05:52 PM
All I can say is that this guy must have one hell of a good agent!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 13, 2019, 11:08:35 PM
He just didn't look interested at all, put no real effort in
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: NathWBA on August 13, 2019, 11:27:07 PM
The guys isn’t a centre forward and never will be, that last 20 odd minutes was a total waste, he seemed to start the second half well out wide and made some decent runs. Feel for him a bit as he never seems to get the chance across 90mins to stick in one position and get into a game. He needs a run of games out wide which he just won’t get with us as there’s too much quality ahead of him now.
He looks nervous and to be fair you can’t blame him, there’s thousands of fans sat in the crowd who are just waiting For him to make a mistake to jump on his back, you can hear the groans as soon as the ball starts travelling towards him, if he’d cost 3mil or had come through our academy I doubt he’d get half as much stick and would be given more time, his price tag isn’t his fault though.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 13, 2019, 11:31:08 PM
He just didn't look interested at all, put no real effort in

I don't think that's true. I just don't think he has the footballing intelligence to make movements and receive the ball in good positions or run in behind at the right time etc. He often just reacts to what's happened and chases the ball but that lack of understanding means he is always a couple of seconds off the pace and always second best to the ball.

Wish the lad well but unfortunately his future is not at West Bromwich Albion FC.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: gazberg on August 13, 2019, 11:31:50 PM
Dire yet again, i'd rather play one of the youth stirkers to be fair. He just looks completely uninterested.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tlms-p23 on August 13, 2019, 11:53:10 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-slaven-bilic-made-west-16750565

Supportive from Slav but he doesn't sound convinced. Sounds like he will be well down the pecking order when all the new lads are up to speed.

Had the opportunity to come out and back him/tell the world he believes in him but didn't. No reason he should either. Bilic is no bull*hit and quite right too.

“It’s difficult for young players when they have big transfers and he needs to score a few goals and make it easier for himself.

“There are bigger names and more experienced players who are coping with those situations, and were are trying to help him with that.

“Sometimes you just need a run. All you can do is work hard and hopefully it will happen.”
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Standaman on August 14, 2019, 12:05:59 AM
I am not sure how the notion has taken hold that Burke might be a Centre Forward but the evidence to date would suggest he isn't. It is difficult to see where we go from here. In the short term he will be quietly dropped from the matchday squad nobody will ask why nor will there be a clamour for his reinstatement.

Longer term I am not sure what we do with him but it looks increasingly likely the fee is a write off and at some point we buy off the contract just to move him on.

Just seen a report in the Mail that there is interest from unspecified Bundesliga clubs which seems unlikely but I would not stand in his way.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tuamigos on August 14, 2019, 06:40:21 AM
Does the League 1 & 2 window allow them loans from Championship clubs, if so I'd get him away from the club as soon as possible to get some game time and tactical awareness. He looks lost and uninterested.
The price tag on his shoulders isn't his fault, but whoever put £15m on his head should be the subject of a stewards enquiry.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: colinmax on August 14, 2019, 06:50:26 AM
it is hard to defend him but we never see his pace.
I would play him wide and play the ball into open space for him to chase and hopefully use well.
If he does not produce from that situation then I don,t know what to suggest.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: ttree30 on August 14, 2019, 09:57:24 AM
Thought Burke was going to be a superstar when he signed - he doesn't have a tactical thought in his head. Doesn't know where to stand, where to run, who to pass to, never seems to know if he has time or space. ZERO footballing initiative or understanding.

I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he's so out of his depth. Scouts and coaches obviously look at him and (quite rightly) think he's got the perfect physical qualities for modern footballer and assume you can teach the technical and tactical stuff. He'll never have the technical or tactical quality to cut it in the Championship, let alone higher.

He's a kid with what looks like raw potential on a Youtube highlights reel. The fact is he has done squat since he played for Forest. It doesn't seem like he as the potential to grow into anything better than he is because he doesn't seem to take anything in - there has been ZERO development in him since the day he signed. Any potential he has is athletic and not footballing.

Between us and Leipzig, £28 million has been spent on this kid. I'd genuinely rather have Mickey Evans or Fabian de Freitas.

And they’re 46 and 47 years old.  ;D

Everyone wants Burke to succeed, especially with such a large fee, but there comes a point that if it walks like a duck, swims like a duck etc. We can keep believing and hoping he has the potential to one day become a swan, but just believing and hoping won’t make it happen.

I fear the verdict is in.




Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: NathWBA on August 14, 2019, 10:02:46 AM
I think he’s talent but for whatever reason it’s just not working for him here, it’s probably best for both parties he moves on, if the club could find a bundesliga team to take him on a 2 year loan that may be beneficial, he has long enough left on his contract so that if he did succeed we could still command a fee for him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Albion79 on August 14, 2019, 10:30:47 AM
I would be shocked if the Albion arent looking a bit deeper in Burkes mental state.

I dont recall seeing a player look so unhappy and disinterested in football, he looks as though he would rather be anywhere else than on a football pitch, his body language is poor.

I dont know whether the pressure of two big moves have got to him, i know there was that report about him from the Scotland under 21 squad last year which said he had become withdrawn and isolated, he just doesnt look happy.

We have probably all had jobs we struggle with and at times dont want to be there, it looks like maybe there is element of that, problem is he is having to do his job in front of thousands of people. Of course he gets paid money we can only dream of and he has the best job in the world but the brain is a funny thing and doesnt decide who can struggle and who cant based on their money or job.

I may be completely wrong, i dont think for all the above he is a natural footballer, he doesnt seem to have a football brain but as many others have shown you can have a good career playing to your strenghs, he is big quick and strong, you have to make full use of that and not try and teach him to be something he isnt but before any of that i would be looking into his mentality and state of mind.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tlms-p23 on August 14, 2019, 01:03:46 PM
I would be shocked if the Albion arent looking a bit deeper in Burkes mental state.

I dont recall seeing a player look so unhappy and disinterested in football, he looks as though he would rather be anywhere else than on a football pitch, his body language is poor.

I dont know whether the pressure of two big moves have got to him, i know there was that report about him from the Scotland under 21 squad last year which said he had become withdrawn and isolated, he just doesnt look happy.

We have probably all had jobs we struggle with and at times dont want to be there, it looks like maybe there is element of that, problem is he is having to do his job in front of thousands of people. Of course he gets paid money we can only dream of and he has the best job in the world but the brain is a funny thing and doesnt decide who can struggle and who cant based on their money or job.

I may be completely wrong, i dont think for all the above he is a natural footballer, he doesnt seem to have a football brain but as many others have shown you can have a good career playing to your strenghs, he is big quick and strong, you have to make full use of that and not try and teach him to be something he isnt but before any of that i would be looking into his mentality and state of mind.

On a purely human level I do think there is probably an element of this. He obviously has some glaring deficiencies in his game and has had a lot of coaches in the past 3 years; 1 in Germany, 5 at Albion, 2 at Celtic. He's also been flip-flopped between being a winger and a striker throughout this time.

I suspect all the coaches are broadly saying the same thing and trying to coach some game intelligence into him; and in combination with bursting onto the scene at 17 at Forest, being a £28 million player with the wages to match and being heralded as Scotland's Gareth Bale has probably left him with a pretty muddled sense of what he is as a player. 'Am I the the new Gareth Bale or am I crap?' - likely there's a mixed up combination of big ego and insecurity there.

It's unfortunate because he's probably a symptom of a system that is full of overblown hype with more money than sense - and far too much of both have been thrown in his direction.

I do feel for him in a sense because none of that is his fault but when it comes down to it he's a cracking athlete and a technically and tactically limited footballer. Lacks the basics of both and hasn't shown any signs.

Don't even want to think about how many millions we'll lose in transfer fees and wages.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Mooncat on August 14, 2019, 01:10:06 PM
Although if (as is being reported) he/his agents are looking at trying to secure him a move back to Germany then that may explain his seeming on-field attitude last night.
Also wonder if he was told in the summer he was part of the thinking then we sign a load of wingers and forward players who are 'not just squad fillers' whether he thinks his time is up?
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 14, 2019, 01:25:00 PM
I cannot see any development to his game from when he joined.

More worryingly, I cannot believe this football club sanctioned such a large amount of spending on him. That money could have been better utilised elsewhere.

He's not a very good footballer - he has little understanding of the game and his technical play is lacking too. He has a good physique but that alone is not good enough.

He's not good enough to play out wide - so we've tried him as a striker - unfortunately, he does not look very good there either.

I would have expected a bit of enthusiasm from him last night, a bit of roar to try and get himself into the managers plans. What we got was the opposite.

I'd sooner watch Tulloch than him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 14, 2019, 01:25:40 PM
I've tried to defend the lad in the past, tried to focus on the good things about his game, but last night was the final straw for me.

He isn't a centre forward, and if we're talking out wide, he's behind Phillips, Perreira, Edwards, Diangana, and Willock for me.

He isn't going to make the most of himself, and it'll be all his fault. He'll be sat seeing out his contract with us, and then drift out of football imo.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Sted1990 on August 14, 2019, 01:30:57 PM
Simply put, he’s not good enough.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tlms-p23 on August 14, 2019, 01:41:45 PM
I cannot see any development to his game from when he joined.

More worryingly, I cannot believe this football club sanctioned such a large amount of spending on him. That money could have been better utilised elsewhere.

He's not a very good footballer - he has little understanding of the game and his technical play is lacking too. He has a good physique but that alone is not good enough.

He's not good enough to play out wide - so we've tried him as a striker - unfortunately, he does not look very good there either.

I would have expected a bit of enthusiasm from him last night, a bit of roar to try and get himself into the managers plans. What we got was the opposite.

I'd sooner watch Tulloch than him.

Some of the transfer decisions made by Williams/Hammond/Pulis in that period are astounding.

Bought Burke for £15 and rejected bids of £25m for Jonny Evans (to sell him for £3m 12 months later) and rejected £32m for Rondon. Staggering really.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/30/arsenal-leicester-city-fail-25m-jonny-evans-bids-manchester/

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/01/31/west-brom-transfer-news-baggies-did-reject-chinese-big-money-offer-for-salomon-rondon/
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tuamigos on August 14, 2019, 02:25:18 PM
A host of German clubs interested in him apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-attacker-the-subject-of-transfer-interest/

If that's the case I would let him go
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Oldbury24 on August 15, 2019, 02:01:08 PM
A host of German clubs interested in him apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/west-brom-attacker-the-subject-of-transfer-interest/

If that's the case I would let him go

lets hope they "scout" and carry out as much due diligence as we obviously did or he ay going nowhere.

Not even sure about lower division or Germany.  It's a real shame but looks more and more like a non-league footballer to me.  Seen and played with lots who were strong and pacey....didn't mean they were footballers. 

Further problem is that he doesn't even seem to like much about being a footballer.  Captain for the Scotland under 21's due to his experience, but didn't really mix with the squad?  Not sure what he's like with the Albion boys?

I was excited when he signed and really hoped he would succeed,  and I wish him all the best if he does get a move, but i just can't see it.

Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: SmethDan on August 15, 2019, 02:28:18 PM
In fairness to Burke he took up some good positions during the first half which gave him opportunities to run at them. I have no idea if this was by luck or design but he grew visibly frustrated when play slowed down to be passed around midfield again as these opportunities passed. I also noticed that almost every time Furlong pressed down the right he moved inside, as did Diandana on occasions when Townsend pressed on the other flank. Tactical shift to the centre in anticipation of a ball in or hiding in plain sight? Either way he was pretty much non existent when playing through the middle in the second half. His magic power is speed when breaking past as defenders turn, negate that and currently he's largely a waste of a place.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Atomic on August 15, 2019, 02:37:17 PM
In fairness to Burke he took up some good positions during the first half which gave him opportunities to run at them. I have no idea if this was by luck or design but he grew visibly frustrated when play slowed down to be passed around midfield again as these opportunities passed. I also noticed that almost every time Furlong pressed down the right he moved inside, as did Diandana on occasions when Townsend pressed on the other flank. Tactical shift to the centre in anticipation of a ball in or hiding in plain sight? Either way he was pretty much non existent when playing through the middle in the second half. His magic power is speed when breaking past as defenders turn, negate that and currently he's largely a waste of a place.


If we defend deep and smack the ball long beyond the defenders with Burke within five yards of them he can be an asset. Other than that, nothing. He doesn't anticipate anything, doesn't read the game, has no instinct, his touch is loose, his technique on the ball is poor going on very poor. He doesn't win any headers, he doesn't know how to defend from the front, the most limited of CB's just stroll past him.

Cut our losses / write off our losses and move on.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Dexy on August 15, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
Like to think I have decent idea on players after a while , I've still got no idea what Burke's best position is . Other than pace he's offering nothing up front , I'd be tempted to try him out wide again. Starting to feel a bit for him , maybe best if he did move on.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Albionic on August 15, 2019, 03:52:14 PM
Usain Bolt is an amazing athlete and a half decent footballer but that couldn’t make him worth is contract with a good standard of football club, is OB in a similar situation????
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: alex1 on August 15, 2019, 04:01:39 PM
Tells you alot about Tony Pulis' insight into attacking players. We pay £15 million for this guy who only manages one goal since he's been with us, whilst Serge Gnabry who was here on loan, hardly got any game time under Pulis. Now he's established himself in Bayern Munich first team and the German national team.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: The Joust on August 15, 2019, 05:23:08 PM
He needs to go to China or the MLS imo. He's a League 1 standard player at best. Can't believe we spunked £15m on the boy.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: SmethDan on August 15, 2019, 05:46:49 PM

If we defend deep and smack the ball long beyond the defenders with Burke within five yards of them he can be an asset. Other than that, nothing. He doesn't anticipate anything, doesn't read the game, has no instinct, his touch is loose, his technique on the ball is poor going on very poor. He doesn't win any headers, he doesn't know how to defend from the front, the most limited of CB's just stroll past him.

Cut our losses / write off our losses and move on.

You don't have to sit deep and smack long balls over the top to exploit Burke's pace. It can be played along the floor first time and at speed. Both Harper and Brunt had opportunities to do this on several occasions and for whatever reason chose not to.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: The Joust on August 16, 2019, 07:17:23 AM

If we defend deep and smack the ball long beyond the defenders with Burke within five yards of them he can be an asset. Other than that, nothing. He doesn't anticipate anything, doesn't read the game, has no instinct, his touch is loose, his technique on the ball is poor going on very poor. He doesn't win any headers, he doesn't know how to defend from the front, the most limited of CB's just stroll past him.

Cut our losses / write off our losses and move on.

He hasn’t got a footballing brain nor a first touch though which is the issue. Not to mention desire or work ethic
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: seteefeet on August 16, 2019, 10:13:24 AM
Think this is just a moot point now. It appears the one subject that we all agree on; whatever the question is, Burke is not the answer. may as well get him out on loan and cut our losses. There's no magic wand with this guy, whatever the reasons, he just doesn't cut it.
Shame because he was an exciting prospect. :(
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: skyclad99 on August 16, 2019, 10:52:57 AM
Tells you alot about Tony Pulis' insight into attacking players. We pay £15 million for this guy who only manages one goal since he's been with us, whilst Serge Gnabry who was here on loan, hardly got any game time under Pulis. Now he's established himself in Bayern Munich first team and the German national team.

Lets be fair, everything was wrong in 'Planet Pulis'.

The signing of Greg Krychowiak was another strange one. He never gave Gnarbry a chance and, having signed Burke, never really used him either........

I think there is a good footballer in Oliver to be honest, he just needs time and probably a loan to another club. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tuamigos on August 16, 2019, 10:56:22 AM
Lets be fair, everything was wrong in 'Planet Pulis'.

The signing of Greg Krychowiak was another strange one. He never gave Gnarbry a chance and, having signed Burke, never really used him either........

I think there is a good footballer in Oliver to be honest, he just needs time and probably a loan to another club.

Should have gone to Spec Savers 8)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 17, 2019, 07:22:40 PM
Lets be fair, everything was wrong in 'Planet Pulis'.

The signing of Greg Krychowiak was another strange one. He never gave Gnarbry a chance and, having signed Burke, never really used him either........

I think there is a good footballer in Oliver to be honest, he just needs time and probably a loan to another club.

We should loan him to Bolton they have no players and pay his wage if he plays. He has barely played for 3/4 years he has regressed and needs regular football
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: smethwick2 on August 30, 2019, 01:53:15 PM
Going to Alaves on a season long loan with a recall option in Jan, according to Matt Wilson on Twitter
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: lewisant on August 30, 2019, 02:43:14 PM
Going to Alaves on a season long loan with a recall option in Jan, according to Matt Wilson on Twitter

Oh wow! Weird, after what Slav said last week!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Albionic on August 30, 2019, 02:45:30 PM
Oh wow! Weird, after what Slav said last week!

Compassionate leave to buy new budgie smugglers, or, decided he needs outing due to taking unapproved absence?  Could this be Slav sending a message that we will not be dicked about as we have previously (Bera)
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: gavinrussell on August 30, 2019, 03:15:11 PM
Hopefully there is a cheap option to buy at the end of the  loan...
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: timdon on August 30, 2019, 05:46:47 PM
Thought that was on the cards when he was not in the team photo. Don't know what the problem is with him but I hope he finally manages to fix it. Certainly not Berahino mark 2 as some twitterers are saying. No problems with attitude that have been reported. Has speed and talent. Slaven says it is concentration that's the issue. Not sure how that can be taught though.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: mulliganstired on August 30, 2019, 07:21:06 PM
Thought that was on the cards when he was not in the team photo. Don't know what the problem is with him but I hope he finally manages to fix it. Certainly not Berahino mark 2 as some twitterers are saying. No problems with attitude that have been reported. Has speed and talent. Slaven says it is concentration that's the issue. Not sure how that can be taught though.
I guess only by playing, hence the loan.  Very, very last chance saloon, but I think he's already been written off financially anyway.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: gazberg on August 30, 2019, 09:20:51 PM
Deal done on the official site. Please do something there in your time Oli. Will benefit you and us.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: divinewind on August 30, 2019, 10:37:56 PM
The jury is still out with me on Oli. Obviously has the talent but not the attitude. Reminds me a bit of Koumas but only a bit because Jason was far far more talented. But if the head isn't right no amount of game time will improve it.
I do hope for his own sake if for nothing else that he sorts it out.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: KN22 on August 30, 2019, 11:33:14 PM
The jury is still out with me on Oli. Obviously has the talent but not the attitude. Reminds me a bit of Koumas but only a bit because Jason was far far more talented. But if the head isn't right no amount of game time will improve it.
I do hope for his own sake if for nothing else that he sorts it out.

That comparison is harsh on Koumas in my view.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 31, 2019, 12:40:09 AM
That comparison is harsh on Koumas in my view.
Not really. Koumas admitted to not enjoying the footballing life. He was born with the talent, but didn’t take to the daily drudgery. I get that. Burkes history is different, but he seems just as disinterested. His time at was Forest was a joy to watch. A big money move abroad probably didn’t help him. Another big money move to us must’ve baffled both him and some of us. His dig, at whoever, with the Harrods tweet, more or less confirms he’s proved a point to someone. I’m no Sky pundit, but I reckon his days of being MOTM for anything other than a Scottish related game is nil.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2019, 12:56:24 AM
No idea what to make of this in theory going to La Liga even one of the lesser lights like Alaves is a step up from where we are at the moment. They have 30 year old Aleix Vidal on loan from Sevilla as the only other Right Winger in the squad so Burke might get some game time. In any event Vitoria-Gasteiz is a very pleasant place to spend a few months. I hope it works out for him but I have to say I am not optimistic.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 31, 2019, 05:30:42 AM
Best thing about this deal is it should free up best part of 1 million pounds towards a
Quality loan come January - well we can but hope!
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Maresca Was A Baggie on September 01, 2019, 11:33:18 AM
Has any other major signing ever played so few games, and been loaned out here, there and everywhere. Says an awful lot about the player. For everyone's sake he needs to leave permanently.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Albionic on September 01, 2019, 11:54:18 AM
More concerning that between Burke, the Chinese kid & Sturridge  we have completely wasted about £25 million, it’s scary to think what we could done with that cash
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2019, 12:06:29 PM
The Chinese kid I believe was paid for by Lai not by the transfer chest
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: elkiellis on September 02, 2019, 10:17:51 AM
More concerning that between Burke, the Chinese kid & Sturridge  we have completely wasted about £25 million, it’s scary to think what we could done with that cash
Good point and to think Burke is about the most polar opposite type of player Pulis would ever want,cant imagine why he bought him.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Albionic on September 02, 2019, 10:25:09 AM
Good point and to think Burke is about the most polar opposite type of player Pulis would ever want,cant imagine why he bought him.

I can but its libellous, so will hold my tongue
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 02, 2019, 11:14:50 AM
I can but its libellous, so will hold my tongue

I would hold it as we don't know who was behind the signing whether head coach or club itself. Things like this we will never know.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: AlbionFan on October 10, 2019, 09:29:21 PM
Oliver was substituted at half time. Scores were level at 0-0.

80 mins Russia 3-0 Scotland
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: BalisPen on October 11, 2019, 10:42:53 PM
I would hold it as we don't know who was behind the signing whether head coach or club itself. Things like this we will never know.

Do you honestly think that a transfer of this apparent magnitude was sanctioned without tp's authoritarian yes.

Obviously, the crystal Palace Court victory had nothing to do with it.

But, no way did tp not instigate this signing.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Wigmore on October 12, 2019, 10:32:11 AM
Do you honestly think that a transfer of this apparent magnitude was sanctioned without tp's authoritarian yes.

Obviously, the crystal Palace Court victory had nothing to do with it.

But, no way did tp not instigate this signing.
Having heard credible stories telling of the hold that TP had over all football related matters at the club, I for one, will always blame the Chav in the Cap for this horrendous waste of money. 
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: KN22 on October 12, 2019, 12:38:03 PM
Having heard credible stories telling of the hold that TP had over all football related matters at the club, I for one, will always blame the Chav in the Cap for this horrendous waste of money.

And so will I.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Bilston Dan on October 12, 2019, 05:32:54 PM
Having heard credible stories telling of the hold that TP had over all football related matters at the club, I for one, will always blame the Chav in the Cap for this horrendous waste of money.

I don't think it's an understatement to say that this has been absolutely disastrous. I think if he were bought for a couple of mil then it might not have been such a waste. Though I think we got absolutely duped paying 15 mil which for us isnt simply chump change to chuck about. Tony Pulis almost destroyed our club. I'm glad that its now the past and we're on our way back.

I wish Burke the best but I think ultimately he is overrated and being quick is fine but I struggle to recall a moment where he took a game by the neck.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: skyclad99 on October 12, 2019, 11:54:39 PM
Oliver was substituted at half time. Scores were level at 0-0.

80 mins Russia 3-0 Scotland

So are we saying he is a top defender???😁
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Wigmore on October 14, 2019, 12:48:49 AM
I don't think it's an understatement to say that this has been absolutely disastrous. I think if he were bought for a couple of mil then it might not have been such a waste. Though I think we got absolutely duped paying 15 mil which for us isnt simply chump change to chuck about. Tony Pulis almost destroyed our club. I'm glad that its now the past and we're on our way back.
Sadly, we will still be faced with paying him for the remainder of his contract, unless some club is crazy enough to take him off our hands. If Albion are not promoted this season, that would be a chunk of our severely depleted 20/21 income.
I see he didn't make the Scottish match day squad today.
Title: Re: Oliver Burke
Post by: Standaman on October 14, 2019, 01:01:47 AM
Sadly, we will still be faced with paying him for the remainder of his contract, unless some club is crazy enough to take him off our hands. If Albion are not promoted this season, that would be a chunk of our severely depleted 20/21 income.
I see he didn't make the Scottish match day squad today.

I think he had knock in the previous game so wouldn't read too much into that. The good news is he is getting some much needed game time at Alaves, I know it is not much but it is a start toward rescuing the situation.