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Title: Jay Rodriguez Joins Burnley
Post by: tucka9 on August 21, 2016, 02:54:00 PM
Jay Rodriguez linked to sign on loan now and victor Moses through the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/21/jay-rodriguez-poised-for-west-brom-move-as-tony-pulis-looks-to-m/
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 02:54:21 PM
Jay Rodriguez of Southampton being linked by The Daily Telegraph today. Hope so
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dan on August 21, 2016, 03:04:53 PM
Jay Rodriguez would be worth a risk on loan or a small fee, got in the England squad for good reason and an intelligent footballer. Though he hasn't really played in 2 years so it'd be a big gamble, but hopefully we'll have room in the squad for a gamble.

It says on the article that Chelsea have decided to keep Moses, which strikes me as odd, but he too is the kind of player we should be looking  for.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: telford baggie on August 21, 2016, 03:23:12 PM
Jay Rodriguez of Southampton being linked by The Daily Telegraph today. Hope so
good player before he got injured but this would be a big gamble
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 21, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
good player before he got injured but this would be a big gamble

Would love to see us take the gamble.

Christ we need some flair in our team.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 21, 2016, 04:05:22 PM
Could be a good option but a gamble with his injury record. Would hate to sign just him and then let Berahino go we definitely need someone else to come in as an option up top too.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: graka on August 21, 2016, 04:06:49 PM
Typical Albion. Linked with slimanii,benteke the lad from juventus and we might get an injured player to get fit for Southampton. On the cheap again!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on August 21, 2016, 04:09:52 PM
Typical Albion. Linked with slimanii,benteke the lad from juventus and we might get an injured player to get fit for Southampton. On the cheap again!!

I'd imagine his signing would be in addition to somebody else. Yesterday showed that Lambert isn't going to cut it any longer.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: A5HB on August 21, 2016, 04:17:22 PM
Typical Albion. Linked with slimanii,benteke the lad from juventus and we might get an injured player to get fit for Southampton. On the cheap again!!
In fairness the report says we would want Rodriguez and abother striker. We are very unlikely to spend big money on two strikers so a bigger name, more expensive deal and someone like Rodriguez would work.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 04:17:49 PM
Typical Albion. Linked with slimanii,benteke the lad from juventus and we might get an injured player to get fit for Southampton. On the cheap again!!
.   What do you mean typical Albion ? Was never in For Benteke  just paper speculation we've made a bid for Slimani  which has been knocked back by his club just like we do with Berahino offers . And know a link , which is still only paper speculation at the moment saying we're in for a player who was on the fringe of an England call up a couple years ago .So what's wrong with that ? .I suppose it gives some people on here a chance to have a dig and moan what ever the club does . That's Typical !
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on August 21, 2016, 04:29:27 PM
Probably work a punt as a back up option with the doubts about his fitness but not really a first team signing of the calibre we need.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 21, 2016, 04:34:14 PM
His injusry is a big concern but we wouldn't have a prayer at getting him if he hadn't been out for so long. If he's fit, then I would love to have him play for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on August 21, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
There is only one question mark over this and it is Rodriquez'a long term injuries. Has played very little over the last two seasons ,whether he is quite the player he once was remains to be seen but he is absolutely the type of player we should be looking at. Can play wing or as support striker and will score goals from either position. As for quality on a different level to anything we have currently got

Ideally a loan with an option to buy.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 21, 2016, 04:40:54 PM
Will we ever learn?
We loaned two crocks last season and we saw how much game time they got.
Other teams seem to loan fit players why are we always rehabilitating them instead of playing them?
Not saying a fit Rodriguez isn't worth a go but our punts rarely come off
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on August 21, 2016, 05:50:55 PM
Potentially a very good signing and improves the squad and if back to his best improves the team. Can play wide, right??
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 21, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
AS Danny Murphy said on MOTD we desperately need some space. JR will certainly help in that department.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on August 21, 2016, 06:01:56 PM
Will this allow completion of Saido to Stoke (assuming Saido is prepared to go) ? ....sincerely hope so as we need to move on.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on August 21, 2016, 06:24:29 PM
Will this allow completion of Saido to Stoke (assuming Saido is prepared to go) ? ....sincerely hope so as we need to move on.

Too risky to be our no.2 (Saido's slot) - hopefully to replace Anichebe's position.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cidhawk on August 21, 2016, 06:31:33 PM
Assuming he must now be fit as he was on Saints bench I think this would be well worth the risk.  A loan with an option to buy at an agreed fee sounds good.  The agreed fee would ensure if he remains injury free and performs well Saints don't get the opportunity to inflate the fee.  If it doesn't work we just send him back.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smethwickw on August 21, 2016, 06:33:56 PM
Will we ever learn?
We loaned two crocks last season and we saw how much game time they got.
Other teams seem to loan fit players why are we always rehabilitating them instead of playing them?
Not saying a fit Rodriguez isn't worth a go but our punts rarely come off

I agree with this. Post injury Rodriguez has done nothing of note. If after a summer of searching for a striker this is the answer then things are a whole lot worse than I thought.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smosher34 on August 21, 2016, 07:08:03 PM
we need a new sicknote to warm the bed after sick vic went  :D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 21, 2016, 07:17:55 PM
Will we ever learn?
We loaned two crocks last season and we saw how much game time they got.
Other teams seem to loan fit players why are we always rehabilitating them instead of playing them?
Not saying a fit Rodriguez isn't worth a go but our punts rarely come off

When Pulis said he wanted 5 players he failed to mention that some of them would be stop gaps!

I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 21, 2016, 07:25:43 PM
When Pulis said he wanted 5 players he failed to mention that some of them would be stop gaps!

I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.

If it's Walters as our 3rd or 4th striker then that's absolutely fine.  I'd have no issue with that.  If it's as 2nd striker then no thanks.

Adam - just no.

Crouch -  as 4th striker?  There must always be better options but I still think he could score a few coming off the bench
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on August 21, 2016, 07:40:07 PM
When Pulis said he wanted 5 players he failed to mention that some of them would be stop gaps!

I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.

'I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.'

No just No! We are better than Stoke's cast offs :(


Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 08:19:40 PM
'I also have a feeling on deadline day we will end up with one of Crouch or Walters & Charlie Adam.'

No just No! We are better than Stoke's cast offs :(
.  Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on August 21, 2016, 08:45:41 PM
.  Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .
Charlie Adam NO. Energy? he's got some quality on the ball but he's got no pace and he's the sneakiest dirtiest player in the premier league.
Crouch no, Walters as 3rd striker I'd take but if Rodriguez turns out to be that then no to Walters also.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 21, 2016, 09:01:38 PM
.  Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .

Kill me now.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on August 21, 2016, 09:19:49 PM
He'd be a gamble, but surely it's positive intent from Pulis compared to some of his usual targets? (Carlton Cole, wink wink).

Before his injury he was great, now he looks rusty. Surely can't be any worse than Berahino and needs game time. I can't see Southampton selling though as they've not replaced Pelle, unless they have a big target lined up with the Mane + Wanyama cash.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BB74 on August 21, 2016, 09:34:23 PM
Hmm only on loan, Why bother? Pulis won't play him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 09:41:20 PM
.  Pullis got the best out of these players . Ok they're a little older , and I wouldn't take Crouch because of his age ,but I think Walters could do us a job.and Adams as the energy in the midfield we could do with .
.  Not for one minute do I think we'll sign any of the three players mentioned,has it was a members thought and the thread is on Jay Rodriguez, I would take a punt on him above anyone of the three from Stoke
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Watton...! on August 21, 2016, 09:42:50 PM
Hmm only on loan, Why bother? Pulis won't play him.

Check his fitness for a season maybe? Should be loan to permanent if so.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 09:47:04 PM
Check his fitness for a season maybe? Should be loan to permanent if so.
. Agree ! But it's got to be on both parties,and not just get him fit for Southampton
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Blowee on August 21, 2016, 10:13:03 PM
He'd be a gamble, but surely it's positive intent from Pulis compared to some of his usual targets? (Carlton Cole, wink wink).

Before his injury he was great, now he looks rusty. Surely can't be any worse than Berahino and needs game time. I can't see Southampton selling though as they've not replaced Pelle, unless they have a big target lined up with the Mane + Wanyama cash.

Possibly one Saido Berahino? Would suit both parties?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 10:28:21 PM
Possibly one Saido Berahino? Would suit both parties?
.  Just read it could be  a possibility he's part of a Sadio deal
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zac on August 21, 2016, 10:33:43 PM
Was pretty much nailed on to make the England squad before his injury. A loan deal for him would be ideal for both clubs so hopefully we can get it done.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 21, 2016, 10:36:52 PM
I'd be happy with a loan to permanent arrangement.

Gives us chance to assess how those injuries have potentially hampered him. If its the Rodriguez prior to his injury then he will be a very valuable asset - gives us an option both upfront and out wide.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 10:40:50 PM
I'd be happy with a loan to permanent arrangement.

Gives us chance to assess how those injuries have potentially hampered him. If its the Rodriguez prior to his injury then he will be a very valuable asset - gives us an option both upfront and out wide.
. The only other question is will he pass the medical . If he does then yes I agree loan to a permanent
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 21, 2016, 10:45:40 PM
See that the Daily Mirror are now reporting Hull are interested in taking him on loan as well
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 21, 2016, 11:21:12 PM
Imagine if we had a time machine - we could swap them the Lambert of 4 years ago for the Rodriguez of 4 years ago
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ripryan1971 on August 22, 2016, 06:36:51 AM
The only thing that worries me is, how much pre season has he done, or how many minutes?

He will be way off Pulis fitness standards surely, so when will we see him.

We need players ready to start now and make an impact.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 22, 2016, 08:42:53 AM
The only thing that worries me is, how much pre season has he done, or how many minutes?

He will be way off Pulis fitness standards surely, so when will we see him.

We need players ready to start now and make an impact.

He came on as a sub against Man Utd on Friday so he must be in relatively good shape. Match fitness maybe needs improving rather than general fitness?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ripryan1971 on August 22, 2016, 08:53:06 AM
Problem is mate, Pulis, as proven, goes by General fitness and until that's right in his eyes, they won't get game time.

At the moment any new player is a bonus, I just hope that he wasn't low down on the list, and we have better coming in.

After all Fletcher hasn't hardly missed a game since he came, hopefully if he has the right attitude we will be fine with J Rod
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2016, 09:01:15 AM
my guess is he will most likely got to Hull anyway
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: A5HB on August 22, 2016, 09:05:15 AM
Simon Jones in the Daily Mail says we are getting close to an agreement and are in pole position despite other Premier League interest.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 22, 2016, 09:41:07 AM
I'd never want us to loan from the likes of Southampton.

Ultimately getting their striker back to full fitness and possibly in form, leaving us in the same boat next window.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: swad35 on August 22, 2016, 09:43:07 AM
I'd never want us to loan from the likes of Southampton.

Ultimately getting their striker back to full fitness and possibly in form, leaving us in the same boat next window.

Has to be loan with the option to buy.........common sense surely or are we that desperate that were a fitness camp for other clubs.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smethwickw on August 22, 2016, 09:44:23 AM
As a backup signing (better than Lambert / Anichebe) then I'd be all for it. However I would hope that a loan deal wouldn't be one of the 5 players that Pulis wants. I still hope we can offload Berahino and bring in a striker of real quality. When I see the likes of Rodriguez and Galloway mentioned I can't help but feel we are a long way down our list of targets and now into panic mode.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 22, 2016, 09:47:05 AM
As a backup signing (better than Lambert / Anichebe) then I'd be all for it. However I would hope that a loan deal wouldn't be one of the 5 players that Pulis wants. I still hope we can offload Berahino and bring in a striker of real quality. When I see the likes of Rodriguez and Galloway mentioned I can't help but feel we are a long way down our list of targets and now into panic mode.

And yet you could argue both would strengthen our team. Id happliy have Galloway at left back moving Evans back centrally, and have Rodgriguez infront of him on the left.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Big Al on August 22, 2016, 09:55:27 AM
I cannot understand why any player would come to us on loan, it is pointless as they get absolutely no game time.
It is time for the club to realise unless TP wants them you can buy/loan who you want but he does not play them.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: superbobgod on August 22, 2016, 10:03:35 AM
I cannot understand why any player would come to us on loan, it is pointless as they get absolutely no game time.
It is time for the club to realise unless TP wants them you can buy/loan who you want but he does not play them.

Previous loans have been for anti pulis type players - which has been strange in itself!
Galloway would play out of necessity and J Rod fits a Pulis stereotype much better and is experienced prem player.
He also fits the fit criteria - might not quite be Pulis fit, but will be fitter than some of our other targets
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 22, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
I cannot understand why any player would come to us on loan, it is pointless as they get absolutely no game time.
It is time for the club to realise unless TP wants them you can buy/loan who you want but he does not play them.

In Pulis' time here we have only had 3 players on loan (I think), Gnabry who even Arsenal said needed to do more to get game time, Sandro who did get game time and Pritchard who didn't get much game time. Pritchard seemed to be constantly injured but he's the only one you can really blame Pulis for.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mikkyk on August 22, 2016, 11:50:37 AM
Do we know if there is or isn't a view to a permanent deal?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 22, 2016, 11:57:01 AM
Do we know if there is or isn't a view to a permanent deal?

These initial reports suggest not, but I don't think they really know the details to be honest. I also read that Southampton want to bring in another forward before letting him come to us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on August 22, 2016, 12:07:42 PM
No issue with this if its as replacement for Vic , just hope its not supposed to be our only answer.
Other than his time at Burnley I know little of the player in all fairness , what was the injury ?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 22, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
No issue with this if its as replacement for Vic , just hope its not supposed to be our only answer.
Other than his time at Burnley I know little of the player in all fairness , what was the injury ?

Ruptured ACL.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 22, 2016, 02:33:25 PM
As a backup signing (better than Lambert / Anichebe) then I'd be all for it. However I would hope that a loan deal wouldn't be one of the 5 players that Pulis wants. I still hope we can offload Berahino and bring in a striker of real quality. When I see the likes of Rodriguez and Galloway mentioned I can't help but feel we are a long way down our list of targets and now into panic mode.

Problem is I think we have enough 'back up' players.
We need proper first teamers
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 22, 2016, 02:36:46 PM
If he is back to fitness then he is a starter, ultimately. Depends how he is after the injuries, but before them he was up there with Lallana and in the England squad.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smethwickw on August 22, 2016, 02:54:05 PM
Problem is I think we have enough 'back up' players.
We need proper first teamers

Absolutely but we seem unable to afford / attract them. This is as good as it gets I reckon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: graka on August 23, 2016, 12:30:52 AM
Fit and on song a decent player. Certainly not a pacey Wideman. I'd still like to see a genuine winger come in more so for the right as we also have brunt as an option for the left side.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 06:31:25 PM
I'd still like to see a genuine winger come in more so for the right as we also have brunt as an option for the left side.
Phillips and Leko are right-sided. Neither Brunt nor McClean coud be classified as wingers really. I'm sure (well I hope) they were looking at Schlupp as a winger, rather than a left-back.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 23, 2016, 07:18:35 PM
Phillips and Leko are right-sided. Neither Brunt nor McClean coud be classified as wingers really. I'm sure (well I hope) they were looking at Schlupp as a winger, rather than a left-back.

I think that was the idea, at least like you, I hope so anyway. Taylor as the left back with Schlupp in front.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: sconesy on August 23, 2016, 07:45:43 PM
Fit and on song a decent player. Certainly not a pacey Wideman. I'd still like to see a genuine winger come in more so for the right as we also have brunt as an option for the left side.

You're so right. For me this 'winger' stuff all has a sense of irony for me. My late grandfather always used to say to me during games in the 80's and 90's "Albion just don't know what decent wingers are these days"! Maybe that's because he never saw a Pulis team!....or maybe it's because he saw real wingers with flair who knew how to lift bums of seats. I know the game's changed but in my opinion, Phillips could be a great winger.....McMananan has all the tools to be a fabulous winger - sadly the face doesn't fit and we are looking for machines that 'run on empty'. Anyway, off-topic so I apologise.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: darbolina on August 23, 2016, 07:50:49 PM
Rodriguez could work if we play him as a three up front on the left and then another new signing on the right of a three up front with Rondon being the 'pivot' in the middle. We'd of course need to have at least two mobile midfielders behind them to make this work though?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2016, 08:49:49 PM
Rodriguez could work if we play him as a three up front on the left and then another new signing on the right of a three up front with Rondon being the 'pivot' in the middle. We'd of course need to have at least two mobile midfielders behind them to make this work though?
More importantly, we'd need to have a different manager as Pulis would never play such a line-up!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: sammyg on August 24, 2016, 11:27:50 PM
Going back to Burnley apparently.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: superbobgod on August 25, 2016, 12:15:20 AM
Going back to Burnley apparently.

Source/rumour/link please?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on August 25, 2016, 12:41:42 AM
Source/rumour/link please?

It's a "journalist" on twitter who claims to have links to a few clubs. Going through his twitter feed, it appears he latches on to transfer rumours as soon as they pop up and tries to pass them off as his own. The fact he is not followed by any other football journalists, as well as not seeming to be credited with any media articles, makes it hard for me to believe he is anything other than a bit of a fake account.

Lets wait and see.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: superbobgod on August 25, 2016, 09:30:17 AM
It's a "journalist" on twitter who claims to have links to a few clubs. Going through his twitter feed, it appears he latches on to transfer rumours as soon as they pop up and tries to pass them off as his own. The fact he is not followed by any other football journalists, as well as not seeming to be credited with any media articles, makes it hard for me to believe he is anything other than a bit of a fake account.

Lets wait and see.

Cheers - Twitter ay!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: dubliner on August 25, 2016, 01:33:44 PM
Pat Murphy on Twitter saying this could be done in the next 24 hours.

‏@patmurphybbc
Looks like Jay Rodriguez could be @WBA on yr's loan in next 24 hrs as Soton fork out £21m to Lillee for extra forward power,freeing up JayR
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2016, 01:38:25 PM
Pat Murphy on Twitter saying this could be done in the next 24 hours.

‏@patmurphybbc
Looks like Jay Rodriguez could be @WBA on yr's loan in next 24 hrs as Soton fork out £21m to Lillee for extra forward power,freeing up JayR


is he the geezer that says we are going to break our transfer record
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: dubliner on August 25, 2016, 01:39:10 PM
That was him alright.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 25, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
Pat Murphy on Twitter saying this could be done in the next 24 hours.

‏@patmurphybbc
Looks like Jay Rodriguez could be @WBA on yr's loan in next 24 hrs as Soton fork out £21m to Lillee for extra forward power,freeing up JayR

Win win for saints. New striker while we get fit their cast off. Could be a master stroke for us if he passes medical and can regain form  but if he is our sole striker signing...

To be fair, two reasonable on loan signings made IF there are further reinforcements...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 25, 2016, 02:02:29 PM
Someone should really warn the lad not to bother wasting a year of his career here.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 25, 2016, 02:07:00 PM
Why are we waiting for Saints to sign a decent striker before we get their rehabilitation project?

Why don't we challenge for the decent striker. Small time attitude in my opinion
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2016, 02:25:13 PM
This is actually embarrassing TBH, we are prepared to take on their 3rd choice striker even after they have sold the likes of Mane, Wanyama and Pelle? and we wait around for them to sort their transfer dealings... really?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 25, 2016, 02:37:00 PM
Why are we waiting for Saints to sign a decent striker before we get their rehabilitation project?

Why don't we challenge for the decent striker. Small time attitude in my opinion

How do you know we aren't? Its not like we only need one striker.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: CL3MO on August 25, 2016, 03:05:06 PM
This is actually embarrassing TBH, we are prepared to take on their 3rd choice striker even after they have sold the likes of Mane, Wanyama and Pelle? and we wait around for them to sort their transfer dealings... really?

Christ, just imagine how Stoke feel about waiting for Berahino then...  :-X
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
Christ, just imagine how Stoke feel about waiting for Berahino then...  :-X

If they go elsewhere we only have ourselves to blame........
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 25, 2016, 03:10:19 PM
Christ, just imagine how Stoke feel about waiting for Berahino then...  :-X
  agree this is a total embarrassment , to think we've got to wait for them to spend 9million before we can have their cast off . Then pay them to get him fit  and they'll take him back at the end of the season . Absolute farce  :-[
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyM on August 25, 2016, 03:24:16 PM
If they are hanging on you wonder if we do actually want to sell, I assume they have been given some positive noises.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 25, 2016, 03:27:58 PM
  agree this is a total embarrassment , to think we've got to wait for them to spend 9million before we can have their cast off . Then pay them to get him fit  and they'll take him back at the end of the season . Absolute farce  :-[

Think his replacement is going to cost closer to 20million.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on August 25, 2016, 03:28:36 PM
  agree this is a total embarrassment , to think we've got to wait for them to spend 9million before we can have their cast off . Then pay them to get him fit  and they'll take him back at the end of the season . Absolute farce  :-[

My prediction is that Stoke will sign Sakho and we will end up keeping Berahino
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 25, 2016, 03:31:50 PM
Think his replacement is going to cost closer to 20million.

They are signing two players, a £9m striker and a £20m attacking midfielder
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 25, 2016, 03:34:27 PM
They are signing two players, a £9m striker and a £20m attacking midfielder

Who? Albion?

Any idea by when?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on August 25, 2016, 03:39:27 PM
1. Who? Albion?

2. Any idea by when?


1. Southampton I believe.

2. If it was Albion........ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic)  :)  ;) .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Beefy on August 25, 2016, 05:15:05 PM
Still favorites despite Hull interest according the the Birmingham Mail ....

https://t.co/xWBw2kiRs5
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on August 25, 2016, 05:20:03 PM
Still favorites despite Hull interest according the the Birmingham Mail ....

https://t.co/xWBw2kiRs5

How thrilling if we can beat off Hull to get a loan!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 25, 2016, 05:26:29 PM
If they go elsewhere we only have ourselves to blame........

I fully see it happening and that would be the straw that breaks the camels back for me. Would actually even start to have some slight sympathy for Berahino then as we have now had a more than acceptable offer.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WestBromJim on August 25, 2016, 07:04:51 PM
I fully see it happening and that would be the straw that breaks the camels back for me. Would actually even start to have some slight sympathy for Berahino then as we have now had a more than acceptable offer.

Hull favorites to land Rodriguez now.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on August 25, 2016, 07:06:58 PM
Hull favorites to land Rodriguez now.

Can't even tie up a squad player loan..............
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 25, 2016, 07:07:32 PM
How come we keep looking at players who have just come back from injury or are unproven at this level when it comes to Loan's?anyone thought of asking man city to loan out bony or anybody  ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WestBromJim on August 25, 2016, 07:16:08 PM
How come we keep looking at players who have just come back from injury or are unproven at this level when it comes to Loan's?anyone thought of asking man city to loan out bony or anybody  ;D

It's getting laughable now, I notice alot of other potiential signings we face competition from 2 or 3 other Prem clubs.

Forget them players then!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 25, 2016, 07:38:53 PM
It's getting laughable now, I notice alot of other potiential signings we face competition from 2 or 3 other Prem clubs.

Forget them players then!!
this transfer window is an absolute joke if you are a fan of the Albion, two signings that wouldn't turn your head and one of them a loan deal .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: CL3MO on August 25, 2016, 08:18:11 PM
Hull favorites to land Rodriguez now.

What's the source?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WestBromJim on August 25, 2016, 08:43:31 PM
What's the source?

ReadWestBrom.com off Twitter, think it's a mail online piece, will try and dig it out

http://readwestbrom.com/2016/08/25/rolling-updates-breaking-west-brom-albion-transfer-news-1/
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 25, 2016, 08:58:07 PM
Read westbrom.com. just regurgitates other articles in sensationalist way.  Doesn't know anything.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WestBromJim on August 25, 2016, 09:07:56 PM
Read westbrom.com. just regurgitates other articles in sensationalist way.  Doesn't know anything.

If we do get Rodriguez lets hope he finds the form he has before his injuries, poor bloke has been out for nearly 2 years
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wbawill on August 25, 2016, 09:19:58 PM
Rodriguez looked great before his injuries; if we were to get that player we'd be very lucky. The only thing is, how many players come back the same after two years out? I can't say I hold much hope if I'm honest, even though I do remember a time when we had a bit of a reputation for being able to help players recover from chronic injuries. As other people have noted, Southampton are getting a very good deal with this one: if he gets back to full fitness then they get back a very good player, if he doesn't then they haven't wasted any of their own time trying. It somehow doesn't feel quite right to be helping out a rival in that way.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 25, 2016, 09:24:01 PM
If we do get Rodriguez lets hope he finds the form he has before his injuries, poor bloke has been out for nearly 2 years
According to Wikipedia, Rodriguez signed a new 4 year contract with Southampton in May last year, which was 13 months after he ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament, so they must have been pretty confident that he wasn't permanently crocked by the injury.

He made 12 appearances for them last season which, whilst not very many, does mean that he hasn't been out for 2 years.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WestBromJim on August 25, 2016, 09:48:07 PM
According to Wikipedia, Rodriguez signed a new 4 year contract with Southampton in May last year, which was 13 months after he ruptured his anterior cruciate ligament, so they must have been pretty confident that he wasn't permanently crocked by the injury.

He made 12 appearances for them last season which, whilst not very many, does mean that he hasn't been out for 2 years.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jay-rodriguez/verletzungen/spieler/53360

Looks more like 1 1/2 years out 3 1/2 years

But yeah has to be a good sign if Saints wanna keep him.


I was going off this mate, either way I hope he finds some form.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on August 25, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Jay Rodriguez would be a perfectly sound signing IF he is being signed as a striker option and if we are going to back it up with another striker.

With only 4 working days left of the transfer window, I worry he might be our only one.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on August 26, 2016, 08:06:01 AM
I hope this one goes through before the deadline, doesn't seem to be any rumours that it will though.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2016, 08:37:10 AM
Jay Rodriguez would be a perfectly sound signing IF he is being signed as a striker option and if we are going to back it up with another striker.

With only 4 working days left of the transfer window, I worry he might be our only one.

I don't think that that is a given
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 26, 2016, 11:58:13 AM
Aren't his knees a bit dodgy?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on August 26, 2016, 12:02:47 PM
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on August 26, 2016, 12:08:30 PM
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.

I think the 'more free beer and caps' suggestion is probably closer to the mark......  :D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on August 26, 2016, 12:18:21 PM
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.

Anyone surprised?
Again we desperately needed a boost all round going into this must win game yet we are going with the same old same old.
I again wanted and expected us to get some quality in after the Majorca game then after the Palace game that bought us time and then definitely after last week.
Alas the Club has let the fans down and I dread to think what it will be like if we don't turn up offensively on Sunday!
Looks like last minute panics or crocs again as the Window slams shut and we face the harder games next month.
Cue the usual spin out of the club after we have failed.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyM on August 26, 2016, 12:20:06 PM
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.

Is it 12 today for a Saturday kick off or weekend kick offs in general?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Lloydy on August 26, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
How many players have we signed in the past where we say "if he recaptures his previous form he could be brilliant!"

Having played 12 games for Southampton last season I would suggest he is already rehabilitated, and needs games rather than fitness. I worry that this loan is going the same way as Pritchard, assuming he commits career suicide and actually signs for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 26, 2016, 12:41:48 PM
That's 12pm, no new players for the Boro game. If the board were trying to get a deal done late into the night as quoted elsewhere then they haven't managed it. Oh well.

Not that I'm saying it's the case - but the club wouldn't have to announce the signing of a player before 12, just the relevant parties have the documentation. I don't for a minute think we've signed anyone but because 12pm has passed doesn't mean what needs to be done hasn't. Doubt they sit there with a tweet ready to be sent as soon as the inks dry.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adamstv on August 27, 2016, 08:17:52 AM
"We know Jay's condition, I've spoken to a few people there, we know it's going to take a few games for him to get back into his stride but I know the lad and he's a fantastic lad.

"He'll want to prove to everybody that he can get back to what he was. We want people who have got good attitudes and are also ambitious."


Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/27/tony-pulis-this-albion-squad-still-isnt-mine/#BfcS8Z9miXw5qt4l.99

Great another potential loan signing who's not fit to start
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2016, 08:37:52 AM
"We know Jay's condition, I've spoken to a few people there, we know it's going to take a few games for him to get back into his stride but I know the lad and he's a fantastic lad.

"He'll want to prove to everybody that he can get back to what he was. We want people who have got good attitudes and are also ambitious."


Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/27/tony-pulis-this-albion-squad-still-isnt-mine/#BfcS8Z9miXw5qt4l.99

Great another potential loan signing who's not fit to start

But hes 'a good laad'

We're slowly turning into the RSPA of the Premier League.

'Gaffa the No 9 has a bosted leg'
No problem gimp, put him in a box and send up to Bramwich. Tone will having running round like a good un by the start of the next transfer window.'
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on August 27, 2016, 09:12:28 AM
"We know Jay's condition, I've spoken to a few people there, we know it's going to take a few games for him to get back into his stride but I know the lad and he's a fantastic lad.

"He'll want to prove to everybody that he can get back to what he was. We want people who have got good attitudes and are also ambitious."


Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/27/tony-pulis-this-albion-squad-still-isnt-mine/#BfcS8Z9miXw5qt4l.99

Great another potential loan signing who's not fit to start

Really not filling us with much confidence !
And if we does well ?  Any view for a permanent signing or just helping Southampton in the long run ?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 27, 2016, 09:13:12 AM
"We know Jay's condition, I've spoken to a few people there, we know it's going to take a few games for him to get back into his stride but I know the lad and he's a fantastic lad.

"He'll want to prove to everybody that he can get back to what he was. We want people who have got good attitudes and are also ambitious."


Read more at http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/27/tony-pulis-this-albion-squad-still-isnt-mine/#BfcS8Z9miXw5qt4l.99

Great another potential loan signing who's not fit to start

A couple of points:

Reporter says 3 major signings. . I thought it was 5 but I presume Jay is one of 5.

With regards Jay being a Croc,  to be fair Pulis says a couple of games before back to full sharpness - isn't that true of every player who is not in first xi? PoCo is fit but not match fit?

Sometimes Albion cannot win whatever they do.  If Jay is our other striker signing and not the sole striker signing it could be very shrewd business.

This was the deal we obviously worked on until 10:30 on Thursday but it was delayed by saints not signing their striker until Tuesday.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on August 27, 2016, 09:23:39 AM
One minute we are going to shell out £16m on a temperamental striker, but pull out because he is unfit to start, and then we borrow another clubs 3rd choice striker who is not fully fit....

Beats me TBH.......
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 27, 2016, 09:28:23 AM
One minute we are going to shell out £16m on a temperamental striker, but pull out because he is unfit to start, and then we borrow another clubs 3rd choice striker who is not fully fit....

Beats me TBH.......

It's quite logical.  Spending £16m on an unfit striker is a much bigger risk than taking an unfit striker on loan - no transfer fee at risk and so the transfer fee can still be used elsewhere
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on August 27, 2016, 09:37:10 AM
It's quite logical.  Spending £16m on an unfit striker is a much bigger risk than taking an unfit striker on loan - no transfer fee at risk and so the transfer fee can still be used elsewhere

Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: MarkW on August 27, 2016, 09:38:35 AM
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?

Why not both? (A man can dream)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on August 27, 2016, 09:40:29 AM
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?

Maybe because we would have to pay full whack!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 27, 2016, 09:42:28 AM
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?

That's what we seem to be doing - not Sakho.  Rodriguez is very close to being fit. Is ok to start as 4th striker.  Southampton obviously thought so as he came off their bench last week. As a loan signing he's fine.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on August 27, 2016, 09:46:59 AM
Why not both? (A man can dream)

You must be on something Mark! ;D

Fancy thinking that......
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on August 27, 2016, 09:47:43 AM
Let's get one thing straight Jay Rodriguez is fit might not be quite match fit but certainly fit enough to feature for Southampton, on the other hand Sakho isn't fit and doesn't have a date when he will be fit. Equally telling in world gone mad and £16m being chump change (according to some on here) there is no apparent interest in him from elsewhere and trust me West Ham would dearly like to be shot of him.

Conclusion Rodriguez is the fitter of the two and more importantly bust a gut to make sure he was fit, I declare this a no contest.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on August 27, 2016, 09:49:58 AM
Let's get one thing straight Jay Rodriguez is fit might not be quite match fit but certainly fit enough to feature for Southampton, on the other hand Sakho isn't fit and doesn't have a date when he will be fit. Equally telling in world gone mad and £16m being chump change (according to some on here) there is no apparent interest in him from elsewhere and trust me West Ham would dearly like to be shot of him.

Conclusion Rodriguez is the fitter of the two and more importantly bust a gut to make sure he was fit, I declare this a no contest.

Lets just see shall we.......
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Lloydy on August 27, 2016, 09:53:38 AM
I'm struggling to understand why he's not fit as he played 13 games last season and presumably has got a Southampton pre season behind him?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2016, 09:59:29 AM
Why don't we just acquire a striker who's actually fit?

You'll never be an Albion manager thinking like that  :)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on August 27, 2016, 10:01:46 AM
I'm struggling to understand why he's not fit as he played 13 games last season and presumably has got a Southampton pre season behind him?

That's the point he is fit but it is the typical Pulis hedge with a player he's not sure about playing we heard the same thing about all the loan signings.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on August 27, 2016, 10:05:28 AM
But hes 'a good laad'

We're slowly turning into the RSPA of the Premier League.

'Gaffa the No 9 has a bosted leg'
No problem gimp, put him in a box and send up to Bramwich. Tone will having running round like a good un by the start of the next transfer window.'
that gave me a good laugh
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on August 27, 2016, 10:09:33 AM
I think Pulis is right in saying he's not fully fit, the Southampton fans will agree with this statement (it isn't a case of Pulis being overly negative here, although I agree he can be like this with unfit players)

The issue with Rodriguez is that after his big injury, he's kind of turned into an Anichebe-type-player with his fitness. Last season he could play a handful of games, then miss some and he never truly kicked on and got a good playing streak. Maybe it's a mental thing, maybe unlike Vic he will snap out of it and his body will adjust, but it's pretty clear he hasn't played a good number of games after each other which is why Pulis is saying he's not sharp which is completely true.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2016, 10:54:02 AM
The most pleasing thing about finding out we were in for a Southampton striker was that it wasn't Long.

Rodriguez was a very good player at Burnley and hopefully he can regain some of that form with us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on August 27, 2016, 11:04:04 AM
The most pleasing thing about finding out we were in for a Southampton striker was that it wasn't Long.

Rodriguez was a very good player at Burnley and hopefully he can regain some of that form with us.
but Long is evidently ahead of him in the queue....that must worry you
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on August 27, 2016, 11:06:51 AM
but Long is evidently ahead of him in the queue....that must worry you
Long just had a great season for Saints though and was their top scorer with 10+ league goals. Last season at least his finishing was far better than when he was with us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on August 27, 2016, 11:08:49 AM
Long just had a great season for Saints though and was their top scorer with 10+ league goals. Last season at least his finishing was far better than when he was with us.
I agree he played well under Koeman. I've always said Long is an enigma...he can look awful one day and terrorise the opposition the next.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 27, 2016, 12:52:15 PM
I agree he played well under Koeman. I've always said Long is an enigma...he can look awful one day and terrorise the opposition the next.

First half against the vile at ours he was unplayable.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on August 27, 2016, 04:23:09 PM
but Long is evidently ahead of him in the queue....that must worry you


Why? He may not score enough goals but he is a constant pain in the arse for defenders. I wish we still had him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 27, 2016, 04:43:13 PM
Just scored for saints. Another one to cross off the list?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boingboing1989 on August 27, 2016, 04:43:27 PM
Just scored for Southampton, definitly not coming now
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Londonbaggymike on August 27, 2016, 04:43:33 PM
Just scored.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ripryan1971 on August 27, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
Keeper made a right howler for his goal ad let it through his hands.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tambag on August 27, 2016, 05:32:59 PM
Keeper made a right howler for his goal ad let it through his hands.
They all count and give a striker confidence to go on a scoring spree.  I wonder if they will still let him out on loan ?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
They all count and give a striker confidence to go on a scoring spree.  I wonder if they will still let him out on loan ?

I'm sure they will when they complete the deal for Boufal. This could be a shrewd piece of business for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 05:49:56 PM
If Southampton decide to keep Rodriguez, it may well signal us not letting Berahino go  :(
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KingKoren on August 27, 2016, 05:50:58 PM
If Southampton decide to keep Rodriguez, it may well signal us not letting Berahino go  :(

I can't imagine Rodriguez is our replacement for Berahino.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 27, 2016, 05:54:25 PM
I can't imagine Rodriguez is our replacement for Berahino.
I didn't say that he was. I would imagine our position is that we need to be sure of signing 2 strikers before we'll let Berahino go and Rodriguez not coming would give us little chance of achieving that at this late stage of the window.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KingKoren on August 27, 2016, 07:01:47 PM
I didn't say that he was. I would imagine our position is that we need to be sure of signing 2 strikers before we'll let Berahino go and Rodriguez not coming would give us little chance of achieving that at this late stage of the window.

I'm not sure. Either way I still think when Southampton sign this striker they will release Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 27, 2016, 07:06:34 PM
I'm not sure. Either way I still think when Southampton sign this striker they will release Rodriguez.

They will, he's on the way. Boufal signs tomorrow,, Rodriguez comes to us Monday.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: telford baggie on August 27, 2016, 11:16:55 PM
bookies have hull as favourites to sign him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on August 28, 2016, 10:23:21 AM
Looks like the proposed Chadli deal has killed this certainly as a loan and I somehow doubt we will resurrect it as permanent. I still think we should be looking for a player in a similar style.   
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ripryan1971 on August 28, 2016, 11:57:25 AM
Sky sources are telling us that Southampton now plan to keep Jay Rodriguez after he was linked with a loan move to West Brom and Hull.

Our understanding is that Southampton were considering letting him out on loan to get game time after spending so much of the last two seasons injured.

Could be another one too bite the dust
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 28, 2016, 12:22:19 PM
They will, he's on the way. Boufal signs tomorrow,, Rodriguez comes to us Monday.
What's your source for this please?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 28, 2016, 07:54:23 PM
Matt Wilson has apparently said that Rodriguez still wants to come.  Is possible now with Chadli not being a loan.

Haven't seen this directly attributed to Matt Wilson but am hoping  it's true
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KYA on August 28, 2016, 08:07:53 PM
Matt Wilson has apparently said that Rodriguez still wants to come.  Is possible now with Chadli not being a loan.

Haven't seen this directly attributed to Matt Wilson but am hoping  it's true
E and S saying he still wants to come to us.
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/08/28/west-brom-close-in-on-club-record-deals-for-chadli-and-camacho/?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2016, 08:19:19 PM
Sky Sports saying he's staying at Southampton to fight for his place
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 28, 2016, 08:29:29 PM
Sky Sports saying he's staying at Southampton to fight for his place

I guess it will boil down to whether or not Southampton think they are likely to need him.  If they are top-heavy with strikers and can't guarantee him game-time them they will push him out the door.  The guy understandably wants to play after missing 2 seasons. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smethwickw on August 28, 2016, 09:32:07 PM
Sky Sports saying he's staying at Southampton to fight for his place

He's heard of our interest!  :D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 28, 2016, 09:44:21 PM
He's heard of our interest!  :D
Are you saying that nice Mr Pulis would turn him into a CB!? :o
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 28, 2016, 11:38:17 PM
I guess it will boil down to whether or not Southampton think they are likely to need him.  If they are top-heavy with strikers and can't guarantee him game-time them they will push him out the door.  The guy understandably wants to play after missing 2 seasons.

A bit like Lambert?
I hope not.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 28, 2016, 11:40:18 PM
A bit like Lambert?
I hope not.

A huge difference between a 34 year old and a guy in his early 20s. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: MarkW on August 29, 2016, 10:54:02 AM
A huge difference between a 34 year old and a guy in his early 20s. 

27 is hardly "early 20s".
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 11:05:14 AM
27 is hardly "early 20s".

My bad - I thought he was only 24/25.  Nevertheless even 27 is a lot younger than 34! 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KingKoren on August 29, 2016, 10:59:06 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3764115/Sunderland-s-striker-search-goes-David-Moyes-fails-bids-Danny-Ings-Jay-Rodriguez.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Apparently Sunderland have had a bid turned down for Rodriguez and Ings.

Seems mad that these clubs won't let their players out to get games after serious injuries. Bet they both won't play and will be loaned out in January anyway. Either way it looks like we'll need to pursue a different striker.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 29, 2016, 11:22:26 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3764115/Sunderland-s-striker-search-goes-David-Moyes-fails-bids-Danny-Ings-Jay-Rodriguez.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Apparently Sunderland have had a bid turned down for Rodriguez and Ings.

Seems mad that these clubs won't let their players out to get games after serious injuries. Bet they both won't play and will be loaned out in January anyway. Either way it looks like we'll need to pursue a different striker.

I think our only chance of getting Ings would be if Liverpool fancied Berahino.  A fresh start for them both ?

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mateinone on August 29, 2016, 11:23:43 PM
Liverpool can't afford to let Ings go, they might need him for cover when the schedule gets tight with European football.... Oh...  ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 30, 2016, 08:49:15 AM
Noises coming out of E&S article suggest Rodriguez wants to leave still.

I think he will end up going out on loan, just depends if thats to us or not, the goal over the weekend has just reminded Southampton that he has quality and maybe made them hesitate a little.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 30, 2016, 08:52:36 AM
Noises coming out of E&S article suggest Rodriguez wants to leave still.

I think he will end up going out on loan, just depends if thats to us or not, the goal over the weekend has just reminded Southampton that he has quality and maybe made them hesitate a little.

Shame it doesn't matter what the player wants, he needs to convince Southampton to let him get some game time elsewhere or accept he is a bit part player there.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 30, 2016, 08:53:37 AM
Noises coming out of E&S article suggest Rodriguez wants to leave still.

I think he will end up going out on loan, just depends if thats to us or not, the goal over the weekend has just reminded Southampton that he has quality and maybe made them hesitate a little.

Personally I hope we still get him.
Doesn't look like the Slimani transfer will work in our favour so I think Rodriguez is a second best option, we must strengthen in attack.
I'm still half expecting Crouch and Walters to be at the training ground at 10minutes to mid night
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 30, 2016, 08:57:35 AM
Noises coming out of E&S article suggest Rodriguez wants to leave still.

I think he will end up going out on loan, just depends if thats to us or not, the goal over the weekend has just reminded Southampton that he has quality and maybe made them hesitate a little.
His goal at the weekend was due to a goalkeeping howler and had nothing to do with his quality. I think Southampton know what he is or isn't capable of without it all hinging on one shot at the weekend.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiejohn on August 30, 2016, 08:59:38 AM
Personally I hope we still get him.
Doesn't look like the Slimani transfer will work in our favour so I think Rodriguez is a second best option, we must strengthen in attack.
I'm still half expecting Crouch and Walters to be at the training ground at 10minutes to mid night

Not sure about those two, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Charlie Adam, after the noises he was making at the weekend.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tucka9 on August 31, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
According to Twitter looks like jay Rodriguez could still be a possibility on loan.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 31, 2016, 10:44:46 AM
According to Twitter looks like jay Rodriguez could still be a possibility on loan.

Hull, Sunderland and us are the options according to John Percy
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: timdon on August 31, 2016, 10:57:20 AM
Quote from: tuamigos link=topic=18926.msg487969#msg487969 [b
date=1472636614]
Hull, Sunderland and us are the options[/b] according to John Percy
No brainer.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 31, 2016, 01:16:39 PM
Looks like a deal could be done.
Of the British based strikers we've been linked with I'd sooner see this deal done TBH

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/542172/Jay-Rodriguez-West-Brom-Hull-Sunderland-transfer-news-gossip
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on August 31, 2016, 07:34:13 PM
sky reporting Rodrigues staying at s,ton.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 31, 2016, 07:40:53 PM
sky reporting Rodrigues staying at s,ton.

I wish he'd make his friggin mind up
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 31, 2016, 09:31:09 PM
I wish he'd make his friggin mind up
Looks like he has. Can't say I blame either.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on January 30, 2017, 09:00:44 PM
John Percy on Twitter saying we've offered Soton £10m for Jay Rod
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba13 on January 30, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
I still think this deal is highly possible around 12mill
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on January 30, 2017, 09:08:00 PM
I personally think we'll pay £15m and are just trying our luck with £10m and then maybe £12m...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 30, 2017, 09:09:35 PM
Don't know that much about him. What qualities would he bring to our system? Would he be a starter?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 30, 2017, 09:09:56 PM
Not going to get anywhere with 10million.

Need at least another 5milliom on top.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba13 on January 30, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
Very good striker played for England before his injury we have wanted him for the last 6 months nearly got him on loan in August till Saints pulled the plug
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 30, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
Been injured for like ever... £10 million is the highest I'd go.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on January 30, 2017, 09:14:07 PM
Not going to get anywhere with 10million.

Need at least another 5milliom on top.

£10m plus add-ones, given his injury record, could work for all parties
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: orville on January 30, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
Might be available now if saints get this deal done,

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Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on January 30, 2017, 09:37:00 PM
Just starting to get back to his best if late but we won't get a sniff at 10 million
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on January 30, 2017, 10:20:31 PM
I think we should push out the boat for this guy. We rely too much on Rondon who often goes missing. Rodriguez would give us more variery up front, and if we are chasing a game, we may have to go with 2 strikers. I'll be quite disappointed if we don't pull this one off. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: botters on January 30, 2017, 10:28:54 PM
West Ham also interested. What a surprise do they just follow us around.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on January 30, 2017, 10:32:35 PM
West Ham also interested. What a surprise do they just follow us around.
I think they just stock-pile players.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: sconesy on January 30, 2017, 10:34:44 PM
Those Irons really piss me off. They're just waiting for someone to throw a bid in to give them something to highjack.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on January 30, 2017, 10:48:02 PM
West Ham also interested. What a surprise do they just follow us around.
How do they get around the financial fair play thing? And vile come to think of it.its a joke all round
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba13 on January 30, 2017, 11:04:31 PM
There from London it don`t apply to them look at there cheap ground
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2017, 11:38:02 AM
According to the Southern Evening Echo, Spurs are after Rodriguez, but I'm sure I read elsewhere that Spurs were not expecting to do any business today.  To be honest, I think he would struggle to get game time at Tottenham.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: dubliner on January 31, 2017, 12:19:35 PM
Stuart James of the Guardian on Twitter just now -

‏@StuartJamesGNM  18m18 minutes ago
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 Jay Rodriguez, a WBA target, is trying to establish where he stands with Southampton, given Gabbiadini signing & number of forwards at club.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Sted1990 on January 31, 2017, 01:00:46 PM
Why would he move with a cup final around the corner?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 31, 2017, 01:04:52 PM
Wants regular football.

Would love to see us bring him in, but would be worried about overpaying for someone just returning from a horrendous injury.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2017, 01:08:37 PM
sunderland interested J Rodriguez.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/869828300?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 31, 2017, 01:18:38 PM
Why would he move with a cup final around the corner?

Might be thinking whether or not he will either play the final
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba13 on January 31, 2017, 01:30:03 PM
I agree It was a bad injury and he was out for whole season 14/15 but he has been back playing for the last 18 months so would hardly say just returning  think it was the same injury that ruled out Ben Foster twice during his career and he has`nt done to badly Hope we can do this deal but if not we move on.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Beefy on January 31, 2017, 03:39:38 PM
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Don't believe @WBA are still stuck in the parsimonious days of Jeremy Peace. John Williams much more realistic & club will fork out 4 JayR
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 31, 2017, 03:42:26 PM
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Don't believe @WBA are still stuck in the parsimonious days of Jeremy Peace. John Williams much more realistic & club will fork out 4 JayR


i always struggle to understand tweeter speak. done deal then
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tucka9 on January 31, 2017, 04:44:37 PM
Echo down in Southampton have said he's definitely not leaving, also said he's injured and wouldn't be involved in tonight's game for them anyway.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2017, 04:51:17 PM
Echo down in Southampton have said he's definitely not leaving, also said he's injured and wouldn't be involved in tonight's game for them anyway.
He's leaving then  ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2017, 05:04:34 PM
Echo down in Southampton have said he's definitely not leaving, also said he's injured and wouldn't be involved in tonight's game for them anyway.

might be quite a convenient injury, so that they can withdraw him from tonight's game.  Apparently Sunderland had a £12million bid rejected. I think we should go back in for him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tambag on January 31, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
might be quite a convenient injury, so that they can withdraw him from tonight's game.  Apparently Sunderland had a £12million bid rejected. I think we should go back in for him.

I hope we are, but they better hurry up !
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on January 31, 2017, 06:30:23 PM
Don't really understand Southampton's strategy. They have just bought Gabbiandi from Italy, have Shane Long and Charlie Austin. Why would they want 4 forwards?  Maybe Rodriguez thinks he might get game at Wembley, but realistically he's going to be spending most of his time on the bench at Southampton.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on January 31, 2017, 06:37:00 PM
Don't really understand Southampton's strategy. They have just bought Gabbiandi from Italy, have Shane Long and Charlie Austin. Why would they want 4 forwards?  Maybe Rodriguez thinks he might get game at Wembley, but realistically he's going to be spending most of his time on the bench at Southampton.
It's not really that unusual to have 4 strikers ? Austin is currently injured and a couple of them can play in wider positions if needs be.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 31, 2017, 07:41:40 PM
It's not really that unusual to have 4 strikers ? Austin is currently injured and a couple of them can play in wider positions if needs be.

We are Albion. We only need one striker.

Whilst i agree with signing quality, having one striker and 17 senior full time pros is suicide....

Foster myhill nyom dawson gmac ollson evans brunt livermore mclean phillips fletcher yacob rondon hrk mozza chadli.... 17. Have i missed anyone?

Plus kids....


We are putting a lot of emphasis on luck. Get jay in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba1968-Tim on January 31, 2017, 07:45:04 PM
I think Leko is ready to take his chance but still very light up front.
Maybe there will be a surprise with one of the Chelsea youngsters joining, it would be ludicrous if we didn't use remaining loan!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2017, 08:24:57 PM
I think Leko is ready to take his chance but still very light up front.
Maybe there will be a surprise with one of the Chelsea youngsters joining, it would be ludicrous if we didn't use remaining loan!!

I think we'll be scouring the free agents list
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on January 31, 2017, 08:48:27 PM
After tonight there's 14 games left. If Rondon gets injured HRK will play. If HRK gets injured we go 1 or 2 out of Leko, Phillips, Chadli. We are very light in numbers up front but if there are no players we want AVAILABLE at half reasonable price, what do we do ?
Would Chelsea or anyone else actually loan us anyone if they know they won't play unless there are injuries in the last 14 games ?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on January 31, 2017, 08:51:08 PM
But it's not just if Rondon gets injured - he has no competition for his place at the moment and seems off form but there's no real alternative which is always worrying.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2017, 08:52:35 PM
spuds favourites to sign rodriguez.
burnley sign Robbie brady.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on January 31, 2017, 09:00:57 PM
But it's not just if Rondon gets injured - he has no competition for his place at the moment and seems off form but there's no real alternative which is always worrying.
If we finished the next summer window with just Rondon and HRK it would be madness - but not now if there's no one available that we want.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2017, 10:08:08 PM
Gabbiadini has just completed move to Saints

Rodrigues now free to leave.....
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 31, 2017, 10:09:28 PM
Gabbiadini has just completed move to Saints

Rodrigues now free to leave.....

Little too late I imagine :(
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on January 31, 2017, 10:10:39 PM
Gabbiadini has just completed move to Saints

Rodrigues now free to leave.....

ha ha ha ha i like your optimism,helicopter to the training ground may just make it
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2017, 10:11:04 PM
Little too late I imagine :(

Depends how far down the line it got earlier in the day while the Gabbiadini deal was being sorted out
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
ha ha ha ha i like your optimism,helicopter to the training ground may just make it

He can sign the paperwork and have had a medical anywhere
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kris_boing on January 31, 2017, 10:16:04 PM
The thing with Rodriguez is that with his injury record we'd need to do a weeks worth of tests/medicals to get the deal done.

I'll be amazed if we get that done tonight.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 31, 2017, 10:17:40 PM
maybe ne could sign on loan, the deadline is different for loans isn't it?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wbarenno on January 31, 2017, 10:18:38 PM
maybe ne could sign on loan, the deadline is different for loans isn't it?

Sure the premier league loans end at 11 aswell
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tucka9 on January 31, 2017, 10:19:43 PM
The deal would have to be agreed and Rodriguez having a medical as we speak to have any chance now, think we are all clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba13 on January 31, 2017, 10:21:20 PM
He won`t be coming
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: botters on January 31, 2017, 10:22:19 PM
Sign him on loan get the medical done tomorrow no risk if on loan he has been playing regular premier league football.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kc56wba on January 31, 2017, 10:22:57 PM
Is this a wind up.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on January 31, 2017, 10:24:58 PM
Sign him on loan get the medical done tomorrow no risk if on loan he has been playing regular premier league football.

Can't sign him on loan - we already have two domestic loans in Gallaway and now Wilson

Thought we might have grabbed Ulloa on loan until we went and signed Wilson
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 65baggie on January 31, 2017, 10:25:25 PM
Would still be a loan fee, medical and yes we're clutching at straws
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: botters on January 31, 2017, 10:27:25 PM
Can't sign him on loan - we already have two domestic loans in Gallaway and now Wilson

Thought we might have grabbed Ulloa on loan until we went and signed Wilson

Get Galloway's loan cancelled he has been a complete waste of a loan.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on January 31, 2017, 10:30:26 PM
Sign him on loan get the medical done tomorrow no risk if on loan he has been playing regular premier league football.    A loan fee would have to be agreed , then we would have to get Everton to take Galloway back cause we can only have two loan deal God !!what am I saying it's not going to happen  good night !
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 31, 2017, 10:30:46 PM
Get Galloway's loan cancelled he has been a complete waste of a loan.

Easier said than done; we've no time to complete a deal for anyone who is not already at the training ground.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba13 on January 31, 2017, 10:40:41 PM
Pulis has said Wilson the only one coming in
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hayward1984 on June 20, 2017, 11:33:30 AM
Percy in the Telegraph says we're back in talks for Jay Rod.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on June 20, 2017, 12:29:40 PM
Percy in the Telegraph says we're back in talks for Jay Rod.

Also on beeb sport, quoting £12m bid, if correct it would be a great deal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 20, 2017, 12:35:14 PM
My Saints mates are loving the fact they might be getting £12m for him. Says he is finished at this level.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on June 20, 2017, 12:39:06 PM
My Saints mates are loving the fact they might be getting £12m for him. Says he is finished at this level.

£12m is almost now a minimum for a PL striker, even ones with just a year left on his contract.

Unless we are willing to buy from abroad, we are forced to pay these sums.

Mind you, look how much we got for Berahino....
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on June 20, 2017, 12:43:08 PM
last season 893 minutes played - 4 goals scored, compares favorably with our lot.
I would be more concerned about fitness than ability
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 20, 2017, 12:57:35 PM
My Saints mates are loving the fact they might be getting £12m for him. Says he is finished at this level.

Watford fans said Nyom was a poor player when they knew he wanted out and he was close to joining us. I think it's very easy for supporters to say the things you've said your mates are saying when the player looks to be leaving.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 20, 2017, 01:31:17 PM
Squad filling going nicely.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 20, 2017, 01:34:44 PM
Was a excellent player two or three years ago, have injuries taken their toll? Will we be able to keep him fit for any length of time.  Who knows, seems a bit of a gamble.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Legend on June 20, 2017, 02:28:37 PM
He was very good three years ago, suffered with injuries since. Southampton are very strong in the forward area with Gabbiadini, Austin and Long so maybe all he needs is a run in the side again.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 20, 2017, 02:29:37 PM
Squad filling going nicely.

He is bette than HRK and will either support or compete with Rondon who has also gone off the mark.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 20, 2017, 02:44:09 PM
not this ole chestnut again, i got no right to moan though have i after becoming an armchair supporter until Tony Pulis leaves
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on June 20, 2017, 04:11:21 PM
Good player , needs to get and stay fit but more important needs a run of games. 12m too much but thats not the players fault its just the market.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DorransSporran on June 20, 2017, 06:33:01 PM
last season 893 minutes played - 4 goals scored, compares favorably with our lot.
I would be more concerned about fitness than ability

That's a goal every 2.5 games!! Better than what we've had last season
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on June 20, 2017, 06:49:44 PM
He's miles better than HRK so a good option imo. Can play on his own, as a number 10 OR as a 'wide forward' ... Fair fee too I'd say
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 20, 2017, 07:35:22 PM
not this ole chestnut again, i got no right to moan though have i after becoming an armchair supporter until Tony Pulis leaves
::) ::) ::) ::) whats wrong with this one?

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Beefy on June 20, 2017, 08:22:07 PM
Apparently home town club Burnley want him back and have entered the race,which could sway him to return to the club where he came through their youth system,

 http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/890650842?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mikehy on June 20, 2017, 09:14:21 PM
not this ole chestnut again, i got no right to moan though have i after becoming an armchair supporter until Tony Pulis leaves
your right there for once
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2017, 10:12:50 PM
When he was linked last year I was concerned about his fitness but he' was available for all of last season so seems to be fit.

£12m is a bit steep for a player who'll be 28 shortly and is in the last year of his contract and probably not the player he was a few seasons back. Equally I still remain skeptical about whether he fits in with Pulisball. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B714LF on June 21, 2017, 12:37:21 AM
I'd rather have the lad from Montpellier.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BAGGIE5 on June 21, 2017, 02:00:33 AM
He is bette than HRK and will either support or compete with Rondon who has also gone off the mark.

Thats if he's not injured by then.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cornishbaggie on June 21, 2017, 10:57:54 AM
Reckon we might get him summer 2018.  :P
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Morany on June 21, 2017, 12:57:40 PM
Why are we still after him? Injury prone and pretty average.

Our scouting network seems to be struggling hard.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on June 21, 2017, 01:04:55 PM
We booted out our European scouts a couple of years ago. Did we ever replace them? It doesn't look so at the moment. Hopefully, Pulis will surprise us all in the next couple of weeks. I won't hold my breath :-X
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: MarkW on June 21, 2017, 01:10:59 PM
We booted out our European scouts a couple of years ago. Did we ever replace them? It doesn't look so at the moment. Hopefully, Pulis will surprise us all in the next couple of weeks. I won't hold my breath :-X

We have 6 full time European scouts
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 21, 2017, 01:17:32 PM
I would liken their meetings with TP to Grandpa Simpson entering the burlesque house before seeing Bart in the Simpsons...

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=grandpa+simpson+gif&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEvs-r9c7UAhUqJ8AKHSvTDNcQ_AUICigB&biw=1264&bih=875#imgrc=-x4h4Ug-g-gQKM:
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on June 21, 2017, 01:20:27 PM
We have 6 full time European scouts

I suspected that we did, but there hasn't been much evidence of the work they are supposed to be doing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 21, 2017, 01:37:38 PM
I suspected that we did, but there hasn't been much evidence of the work they are supposed to be doing.

How do you expect this evidence? us publicising our targets and information on players :D :D :D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Astle1968 on June 21, 2017, 02:33:11 PM
How do you expect this evidence? us publicising our targets and information on players :D :D :D

Signing a player who hasn't spent the vast majority of his career playing in England would be a start
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 21, 2017, 02:39:45 PM
Signing a player who hasn't spent the vast majority of his career playing in England would be a start

You do realise scouts arent just sent out abroad they scout every player we have a interest in this country.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 21, 2017, 02:42:05 PM
You do realise scouts arent just sent out abroad they scout every player we have a interest in this country.

Well yes, but there is little or no evidence of any work being done by our scouts abroad whilst TP is in charge as, Rondon aside, every signing he has made has been a player who has played in this country.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 21, 2017, 02:45:57 PM
If pulis wont sign non british players, what can the scouts do? seriously?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 21, 2017, 02:47:00 PM
Also id be chuffed with this. With our medical staff i think we could get him going again. If anything else hes a big improvement on HRK and finally gives rondon some competition.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on June 21, 2017, 02:47:45 PM
Who is cheap or who is free - the top two criteria for our scouting department
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Astle1968 on June 21, 2017, 02:50:30 PM
You do realise scouts arent just sent out abroad they scout every player we have a interest in this country.

And do you realise we have signed 16 players on loan or perm deals since Pulis joined and 15 of them have been playing in England when we signed them.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 21, 2017, 02:52:56 PM
If pulis wont sign non british players, what can the scouts do? seriously?

Absolutely nothing. A wasted resource with TP in charge and his ridiculous attitude to recruitment that is holding us back.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on June 21, 2017, 02:56:38 PM
Who is cheap or who is free - the top two criteria for our scouting department

Were never going to splash the cash, might aswell get over it because moaning isnt going to change it. We arent and i doubt we will ever be anything but a club who generates its own money and doesnt spend outside its means.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiebof on June 21, 2017, 03:23:48 PM
Were never going to splash the cash, might aswell get over it because moaning isnt going to change it. We arent and i doubt we will ever be anything but a club who generates its own money and doesnt spend outside its means.

Fine with me.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Astle1968 on June 21, 2017, 03:34:26 PM
Fine with me.

Absolutely fine with me aswell. We could/should be able to spend around £40m+ this summer with a slight increase to the wage bill without needing to use funds from Lai. That could get us a very good striker plus 2 or 3 decent players to cover midfield and defence. The problem is the market we choose to shop in it's get us Jay Rodriguez + Troy Deeney with just enough left over to sign Marc Wilson and Joe Ledley type players to fill the squad out
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on June 21, 2017, 04:03:54 PM
Absolutely fine with me aswell. We could/should be able to spend around £40m+ this summer with a slight increase to the wage bill without needing to use funds from Lai. That could get us a very good striker plus 2 or 3 decent players to cover midfield and defence. The problem is the market we choose to shop in it's get us Jay Rodriguez + Troy Deeney with just enough left over to sign Marc Wilson and Joe Ledley type players to fill the squad out

How do you define cash in 'splash the cash'? Didn't we show more than a passing interest in Benteke and Carvallo? We are occasionally prepared to splash the cash but we generally look to do our shopping in Poundland rather than Harrods
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Astle1968 on June 21, 2017, 04:56:02 PM
How do you define cash in 'splash the cash'? Didn't we show more than a passing interest in Benteke and Carvallo? We are occasionally prepared to splash the cash but we generally look to do our shopping in Poundland rather than Harrods

I think we are actually looking to do the majority of our shopping in Harrods rather than Poundland, but can't afford anything of real quality from there so end up with a box of chocolates for £30 when theres a perfectly good box from the shop down the road for £5.99.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on June 21, 2017, 09:44:47 PM
How do you define cash in 'splash the cash'? Didn't we show more than a passing interest in Benteke and Carvallo? We are occasionally prepared to splash the cash but we generally look to do our shopping in Poundland rather than Harrods

i can walk into the porsche and ferrari showrooms tomorrow, doesn't mean I will ever buy one.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 21, 2017, 09:50:25 PM
Well yes, but there is little or no evidence of any work being done by our scouts abroad whilst TP is in charge as, Rondon aside, every signing he has made has been a player who has played in this country.


Because thats the sort of player he likes "experienced" you cant be critical of the scouts when they are only going and watching the players TP and the club want them to
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on June 21, 2017, 09:52:44 PM

Because thats the sort of player he likes "experienced" you cant be critical of the scouts when they are only going and watching the players TP and the club want them to

I don't think anyone is criticising them, how can we, we don't ever get to see the fruits of their labours.

Rather, people are questioning the point of having a resource which the head coach ignores!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on June 21, 2017, 10:05:27 PM
I would rather us sign Rodriquez for £12mil than deeney for £35mil.

However I would prefer us to go for Afobe or King from Bournemouth, or have a punt on somebody from outside the uk- but won't happen in a month of Sunday's with pulis in charge.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 21, 2017, 10:13:27 PM

Because thats the sort of player he likes "experienced" you cant be critical of the scouts when they are only going and watching the players TP and the club want them to

...where am I criticising the scouts?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Astle1968 on June 21, 2017, 10:18:02 PM
I would rather us sign Rodriquez for £12mil than deeney for £35mil.

However I would prefer us to go for Afobe or King from Bournemouth, or have a punt on somebody from outside the uk- but won't happen in a month of Sunday's with pulis in charge.

If we can get the player Southampton had 3 years ago then £12m is an absolute steal. However the chances of that are probably less than 5% and even lower when you consider that even if he never had the injury he would likely struggle to replicate that form in our set up.

We would likely be signing an ok mid lower mid table PL quality player for an over inflated fee thats in line with most PL transfers who will end up scoring between 6-10 goals for us depending on his game time and where he plays.

I'd also like King although Afobe doesn't do much for me. However we have no chance with King as he's worth something to Bournemouth. The only reason Rodriguez is available is because he's no use to Southampton. If Bournemouth we're trying to sign Foster or Evans we would be laughing at them for attempting it or ridiculing the bids like Leicester for Evans. If we stick to the domestic market the vast majority of players will be ones who are deemed not good enough by their current clubs.

With players like Chadli and Evans that's fine but the rest are going to be extremely average at best. Doesn't mean their poor players or even necessarily bad buys but it's just extremely dull at a time when to many everything about the place is stale and boring already.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 21, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
If we can get the player Southampton had 3 years ago then £12m is an absolute steal. However the chances of that are probably less than 5% and even lower when you consider that even if he never had the injury he would likely struggle to replicate that form in our set up.

We would likely be signing an ok mid lower mid table PL quality player for an over inflated fee thats in line with most PL transfers who will end up scoring between 6-10 goals for us depending on his game time and where he plays.

I'd also like King although Afobe doesn't do much for me. However we have no chance with King as he's worth something to Bournemouth. The only reason Rodriguez is available is because he's no use to Southampton. If Bournemouth we're trying to sign Foster or Evans we would be laughing at them for attempting it or ridiculing the bids like Leicester for Evans. If we stick to the domestic market the vast majority of players will be ones who are deemed not good enough by their current clubs.

With players like Chadli and Evans that's fine but the rest are going to be extremely average at best. Doesn't mean their poor players or even necessarily bad buys but it's just extremely dull at a time when to many everything about the place is stale and boring already.

I agree although I might be slightly more optimistic about Rodriguez but on the balance of probabilities £12m is not a steal he would be at half the price.

While Evans and to a lesser degree Chadli have been good buys I would caution against the glib assumption that just because a player is coming from the back end of a top 6 squad that they are anything other than over priced and over paid but still average.

We desperately need expand our horizons but from all of the evidence to date we won't. Pulis' much vaunted scouting trip to the continent took in one match Benfica v Sporting largely to watch Carvelho being not "athletic enough".

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on June 21, 2017, 11:37:23 PM
12 million has got to be a structured deal on his succsess at B71,if it was a straight up 12  it would surely be a done deal and announced quite quickly
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 22, 2017, 01:21:15 AM
12 million has got to be a structured deal on his succsess at B71,if it was a straight up 12  it would surely be a done deal and announced quite quickly

Player currently on holiday so nothing likely to happen formally in any event. Southampton reportedly looking for £15m but it is thought £12m will do the job.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on June 23, 2017, 02:45:23 PM
I'm hoping this falls through. In fact I'm hoping all the deals we try to do fall through until the dinosaur either walks or is forced to listen to our scouts.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on June 23, 2017, 08:34:02 PM
Would be a good gamble even at that price (AND with the amount of cash sloshing around the PL atm)...personally I would think he is a good fit for us...particularly as Big Ron and HRK (much as I like them) are currently only our other striking options...?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Topman on June 27, 2017, 12:33:44 PM
So this seems to be getting closer to our first signing. If this guy does sign is that our front line then Rondon, Hal and Jrod? Because If it is it isn't exactly getting pulse racing. Any normal club would by another up top, do people think that's us done upfront?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 27, 2017, 12:56:22 PM
So this seems to be getting closer to our first signing. If this guy does sign is that our front line then Rondon, Hal and Jrod? Because If it is it isn't exactly getting pulse racing. Any normal club would by another up top, do people think that's us done upfront?

I would hope we would be in for another Rondon type target man as well. Rodriguez being the wide left player with Phillips wide right and Chadli through the middle looks good.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on June 27, 2017, 01:07:17 PM
So this seems to be getting closer to our first signing. If this guy does sign is that our front line then Rondon, Hal and Jrod? Because If it is it isn't exactly getting pulse racing. Any normal club would by another up top, do people think that's us done upfront?

We could sign Benzema to be honest and still not score. If we put Jrod up front on his own like we have done with Rondon then its only going to go one way........
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on June 27, 2017, 08:07:47 PM
Good player, who would improve our forward line but he needs a run of game's with rondon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 28, 2017, 12:55:35 AM
I think one or two posters are forgetting who are head coach is. Innovative formations with wide attackers in them aren't going to happen

Broadly there are 4 options and which option Pulis has in mind defines what else we are going to do.

1. Playing Rodriguez in a rota of lone strikers along with Rondon and Robson-Kanu in either a 4-4-1-1, 4-2-3-1

2. Playing Rodriguez as the 10 in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1

3. Playing Rodriguez as a wide player in a 4-2-3-1

4 Playing him as the second striker in a 4-4-2.

Personally I hate the first option. I cannot see Rodriguez as a lone striker in a Pulis team. He has done it for Southampton but they are a passing team and he doesn't have to chase hopeful balls down the channel if this was the plan we got the wrong Southampton player we should have gone for Long. If we are only playing one up top we  don't need another striker. Typically teams that play with these systems have 2 and a spare. If we needed additional cover we should look to Roberts to provide it.

The second option of playing him as a 10 is a lot better than as a lone striker. However we would need to get an additional target man in as cover for Rondon. Equally we wouldn't need both Morrison or Chadli whose best position is behind the striker.

Wide in a 4-2-3-1 is possibly worse than the lone striker option our wide players don't see enough of the ball in the final 1/3 and sit too deep most of the time to impact the game in an attacking sense.

A 4-4-2 with Fletcher out of the picture it might be possible to get the necessary box to box midfielder in to make this work. Again another striker would be required even possibly 2 and then there is the question of what do we do with Chadli and Morrison. 

I think he can fill in a number of positions and as such could be an asset, however to make a real impact he needs to have a position in the team where his skill set works to our best advantage, I see that as being a withdrawn striker which has some implications for the rest of the window.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on June 28, 2017, 07:22:49 AM
I think one or two posters are forgetting who are head coach is. Innovative formations with wide attackers in them aren't going to happen

Broadly there are 4 options and which option Pulis has in mind defines what else we are going to do.

1. Playing Rodriguez in a rota of lone strikers along with Rondon and Robson-Kanu in either a 4-4-1-1, 4-2-3-1

2. Playing Rodriguez as the 10 in a 4-4-1-1 or 4-2-3-1

3. Playing Rodriguez as a wide player in a 4-2-3-1

4 Playing him as the second striker in a 4-4-2.

Personally I hate the first option. I cannot see Rodriguez as a lone striker in a Pulis team. He has done it for Southampton but they are a passing team and he doesn't have to chase hopeful balls down the channel if this was the plan we got the wrong Southampton player we should have gone for Long. If we are only playing one up top we  don't need another striker. Typically teams that play with these systems have 2 and a spare. If we needed additional cover we should look to Roberts to provide it.

The second option of playing him as a 10 is a lot better than as a lone striker. However we would need to get an additional target man in as cover for Rondon. Equally we wouldn't need both Morrison or Chadli whose best position is behind the striker.

Wide in a 4-2-3-1 is possibly worse than the lone striker option our wide players don't see enough of the ball in the final 1/3 and sit too deep most of the time to impact the game in an attacking sense.

A 4-4-2 with Fletcher out of the picture it might be possible to get the necessary box to box midfielder in to make this work. Again another striker would be required even possibly 2 and then there is the question of what do we do with Chadli and Morrison. 

I think he can fill in a number of positions and as such could be an asset, however to make a real impact he needs to have a position in the team where his skill set works to our best advantage, I see that as being a withdrawn striker which has some implications for the rest of the window.

Very good analysis and I agree that the "withdrawn striker" is the best option.  I think we also need options depending on whether or not we are chasing the game, and/or to be flexible depending on whether we are at home or away, and whether we are away at one of the big 6 sides.  The sole option last season of Rondon or HRK was totally unacceptable.

Chadli of course can also play as the withdrawn striker, as could Phillips, so depending on who else we may sign both up front (Deeney or another) or out wide (Jakob Murphy?), I could see Morrison being sold as surplus to requirements.

For me, having viable options this season is an absolute must.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 28, 2017, 08:12:02 AM
Surely playing Rodriguez in the withdrawn striker role means that Chadli is either out wide left (out of position apparently) or on the bench? Is that a good use of resources?

I think having Rodriguez starting out as the wide left player in a fluid 3 behind a central attacker is a far better use of the player. Phillips, Chadli and Rodriguez are all capable of playing anywhere across that line so it shouldn't be an issue. During our good run last season Phillips and McClean occaisonally swapped wings, and Chadli would occupy a wide space allowing either Phillips or McClean to cut inside.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Westie on June 28, 2017, 10:18:43 AM
All this assumes that we'll actually sign the bloke!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 28, 2017, 11:08:15 AM
All this assumes that we'll actually sign the bloke!

well yes that goes without saying , otherwise we'd have nothing to discuss.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiebof on June 28, 2017, 11:11:55 AM
As always, it is all about balance. The 4-2-3-1 last season looked good when Morrison and Phillips were running in beyond Rondon. I personally have always liked the balance of the 3 behind the striker in this formation to consist of a play maker that comes inside and short to create, a player who runs beyond the striker and another that can pick it up in space and drive us forward. Chadli, Rodriguez and Phillips could fill those roles hopefully.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: saml30 on June 28, 2017, 01:55:36 PM
As always, it is all about balance. The 4-2-3-1 last season looked good when Morrison and Phillips were running in beyond Rondon. I personally have always liked the balance of the 3 behind the striker in this formation to consist of a play maker that comes inside and short to create, a player who runs beyond the striker and another that can pick it up in space and drive us forward. Chadli, Rodriguez and Phillips could fill those roles hopefully.

Completely agree. A 3 of Phillips, Rodriguez and Chadli could be very good, it's a shame the tactics of the team is likely to let them down
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 28, 2017, 09:45:36 PM
I think the withdrawn striker role is the best option, but once we go down that path it does throw up some question marks about Chadli and Morrison. Until the squad is finalised and we have a few games we won't know how we are setting up.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on June 28, 2017, 09:53:25 PM
4 main candidates for 3 places is not a bad place to be though. Whoever isn't performing is on the bench, quite a healthy thing to have. If that happens to be a £10m or £12m player then so be it....plus people get injured of course.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: superbobgod on June 28, 2017, 10:19:06 PM
Odds last few days has been us at 1/20 and Burnley 25-1.
Sky Bet has suddenly changed to 1/6 and Burnley 4-1 - Hope its just a little flutter someone has had and not someone in the know Burnley end!!!!

Has anyone seen anything to back this up like a Burnley Journo on twitter?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tambag on June 28, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
Only thing is Burnley are rumoured to be selling Keane to Everton. So they will have money to spend.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 28, 2017, 10:30:13 PM
lots of media quoting £14m for Rodriguez now not the £12m being reported earlier.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on June 28, 2017, 10:50:09 PM
Hope he goes Burnley, £14m for an injury-prone Southampton reject. Awful business.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 28, 2017, 11:16:05 PM
People want us to sign players then moan about a (REPORTED) fee. The club cant win.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on June 28, 2017, 11:18:48 PM
Only thing is Burnley are rumoured to be selling Keane to Everton. So they will have money to spend.

If Burnley are willing to offload Andre Gray to buy Rodriguez then I'd far rather we buy Gray!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 29, 2017, 12:54:07 AM
It sounds like its virtually a done deal to me. If we can keep him fit (which we have managed to do with much older players in the past) then we have a top player on our hands. The Burnley link has simply come from people adding 5 and 5 together and getting Twelve. Never judge by bookies odds it only takes a handful of bets to change the market.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on June 29, 2017, 04:55:27 AM
Hope he goes Burnley, £14m for an injury-prone Southampton reject. Awful business.

£14m in today's market for a serious club is nothing so why do fans worry about it?
We want the new owners to invest as much as possible at the market rates surely?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on June 29, 2017, 05:05:43 AM
If Burnley are willing to offload Andre Gray to buy Rodriguez then I'd far rather we buy Gray!

Sure i read in a paper that Gray wants £100,000 a week at Burnley :o. He is currently on £25,000. Thats probably why they want rid.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 29, 2017, 06:29:46 AM
I think £12m was expensive for a player going into the last year of his contract at 28 with no sell on value and as such £14m is too much. I don't want to the club to waste money because there is no evidence that the new owners are going to spend beyond the clubs means so every pound matters.

Obviously Rodriguez is a long term Pulis target and therefore while we might have alternatives they won't be signed because Pulis will veto them. The extra two million here or there quickly adds up to a player like Charlie Taylor. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on June 29, 2017, 08:16:24 AM
Sure i read in a paper that Gray wants £100,000 a week at Burnley :o. He is currently on £25,000. Thats probably why they want rid.

He might want £100k/week but he won't get that anywhere and I don't think Burnley pay anyone more than £40k/week currently.

But we could afford to pay him £70k/£75k and at a fee of around £10m with resale value that would be a pretty decent deal for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Raymond John on June 29, 2017, 08:30:56 AM
Unwanted fourth choice striker from a club we allegedly are in competition with for a lower top-half place.   Ummmm maybe a better player but rather reminds me of the Anichabe signing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on June 29, 2017, 08:32:27 AM
I like him and think he's an ok striker at this level but I'm also sceptical about how he'd fit in under Pulis. He doesn't seem very physical and you could potentially see him shoe-horned out wide if things went south which wouldn't be good. Hopefully he's used with Rondon, similar to how Vardy and Okazaki are used at Leicester.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 29, 2017, 09:02:59 AM
More excited about this than the Deeney connection thats for sure
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on June 29, 2017, 09:28:48 AM
More excited about this than the Deeney connection thats for sure
+1,take out Deeney's penalty's and he's bang average and no better goal scorer than Rondon
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 29, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
I'd take nigh on anyone over Deeney at £30m, but I am hoping that link has fizzled out.

I am now at the point whereby, much as I would have love for him to have left in May, I have accepted that TP will have to be in charge next season, unless he chooses to leave and completely leaves us in the S***e prior to the start of the season. With this in mind, if he is going to pick him, and hopefully his injuries are behind him, I would like to see us get this one over the line asap and begin to address the full back/creative midfielder problems.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on June 29, 2017, 09:40:16 AM
If he is coming then he will have to get past a West Brom medical, and I for one am thankful that we have an excellent team in place for that. We could have been saddled with a right turkey from West Ham if it had not been for them.

I am sure they will be very thorough with his cruciate......
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 29, 2017, 09:59:03 AM
If he is coming then he will have to get past a West Brom medical, and I for one am thankful that we have an excellent team in place for that. We could have been saddled with a right turkey from West Ham if it had not been for them.

I am sure they will be very thorough with his cruciate......

we dodged a massive bullet there.

we also have a good record of getting the best out of players with a history of injuries.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 29, 2017, 10:01:58 AM
Unwanted fourth choice striker from a club we allegedly are in competition with for a lower top-half place.   Ummmm maybe a better player but rather reminds me of the Anichabe signing.

What!? Im sorry but have you ever seen Rodriguez play? That comment has completley threw me.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on June 29, 2017, 11:07:53 AM
What!? Im sorry but have you ever seen Rodriguez play? That comment has completley threw me.
Providing we can keep him fit JR will do well here IMO , decent finisher which we lack.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 29, 2017, 11:33:23 AM
He's a very talented lad. Injuries are the only issue with him for me, if we are confident he is over the worst then get him in, we are crying out for some technical ability and goal threat.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 29, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
The fact he did not play much last season is very positive in some ways, should allow full recovery from his cruciate injury.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Raymond John on June 29, 2017, 01:03:20 PM
What!? Im sorry but have you ever seen Rodriguez play? That comment has completley threw me.

Without some explanation from you I do not know what it is about my comment that has thrown you.
As regards me seeing Rodriquez play, the answer is in the affirmative thus I was able to, at the very least, imply that imo he is a better footballer than Anichiebe.    The point of my comment was not to compare the merits of the two players but the similarity of the transfers, assuming that is Rodriguez joins us.  Both are or were fourth choice striker for their clubs both of which we currently are in the case of Southampton and were at the time in the case of Everton, competing with for a similar position in the league table. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 29, 2017, 01:08:19 PM
I know the prices have gone up and up, but I still think £14 million for an injury-plagued forward who has never set the world alight at this level is far too much. We could go abroad and pick up a player of his level for half that, and probably less wages, which would allow us some wriggle-room on other deals.

He isn't a bad player, but even in the inflated market today, I don't think he's a £14 million player.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Morany on June 29, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
I know the prices have gone up and up, but I still think £14 million for an injury-plagued forward who has never set the world alight at this level is far too much. We could go abroad and pick up a player of his level for half that, and probably less wages, which would allow us some wriggle-room on other deals.

He isn't a bad player, but even in the inflated market today, I don't think he's a £14 million player.

We could, but we won't.

Pulis loves a 'tried and tested' Premier league player
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on June 29, 2017, 01:21:00 PM
I know the prices have gone up and up, but I still think £14 million for an injury-plagued forward who has never set the world alight at this level is far too much. We could go abroad and pick up a player of his level for half that, and probably less wages, which would allow us some wriggle-room on other deals.

He isn't a bad player, but even in the inflated market today, I don't think he's a £14 million player.

Rather him than £35m Deeney, or 'I'm not as free as you think I am' Defoe........

I hope we get him to be honest.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie96 on June 29, 2017, 01:52:06 PM
A fully fit jay Rodriguez will be an outstanding signing. Will improve the first xi. It's keeping him fit that will be the main thing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on June 29, 2017, 02:09:54 PM
Can't believe some are turning their noses up at this potential signing. He's a very good technical player who knows how to finish and is good with his feet.

I'd argue we'd need to update our tactics and system to accommodate however as he's not exactly a target man. Although that tactic hasn't really worked for our current strikers either so not sure why we persist with it
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on June 29, 2017, 04:32:52 PM
If he is coming then he will have to get past a West Brom medical, and I for one am thankful that we have an excellent team in place for that. We could have been saddled with a right turkey from West Ham if it had not been for them.

I am sure they will be very thorough with his cruciate......

Do you mean that would have been worse than the donkey we had from Everton or the mule we had from Liverpool
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 29, 2017, 04:35:32 PM
Can't believe some are turning their noses up at this potential signing. He's a very good technical player who knows how to finish and is good with his feet.

I'd argue we'd need to update our tactics and system to accommodate however as he's not exactly a target man. Although that tactic hasn't really worked for our current strikers either so not sure why we persist with it

It's all our head coach knows, sadly.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on June 29, 2017, 05:19:32 PM
Can't believe some are turning their noses up at this potential signing. He's a very good technical player who knows how to finish and is good with his feet.

I'd argue we'd need to update our tactics and system to accommodate however as he's not exactly a target man. Although that tactic hasn't really worked for our current strikers either so not sure why we persist with it

Probably because he's injury-prone, way overpriced and 4th choice for a club we are supposed to be in direct competition with.

Add in the fact that he is not a Pulis-type striker and would probably be less effective than Rondon when he's getting balls lumped at his throat and the thought of spunking 1/3 of our transfer budget on him doesn't make me jump for joy.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 29, 2017, 08:32:12 PM
What!? Im sorry but have you ever seen Rodriguez play? That comment has completley threw me.

Shhhh, don't disturb the Troll. Just observe them in their natural habitat.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 29, 2017, 08:50:14 PM
got a 1/4 strike rate at premier league level, played 104 times scoring 26 goals.
fractionally better than Rondon who has scored 17 goals in 71 matches
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on June 29, 2017, 09:06:36 PM
Probably because he's injury-prone, way overpriced and 4th choice for a club we are supposed to be in direct competition with.

Add in the fact that he is not a Pulis-type striker and would probably be less effective than Rondon when he's getting balls lumped at his throat and the thought of spunking 1/3 of our transfer budget on him doesn't make me jump for joy.

Would love it if we got more not-Pulis type players in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 29, 2017, 10:16:28 PM
got a 1/4 strike rate at premier league level, played 104 times scoring 26 goals.
fractionally better than Rondon who has scored 17 goals in 71 matches
Depends where you get your stats from. In actual fact Rodriguez played a total of 885 minutes Premier league last season, scoring 5 goals and making 2 assists. Substantially better stats than Rondon i would say.
For the record Salomon played 2896 minutes for his 8 goals and 2 assists.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on June 29, 2017, 10:26:14 PM
Depends where you get your stats from. In actual fact Rodriguez played a total of 885 minutes Premier league last season, scoring 5 goals and making 2 assists. Substantially better stats than Rondon i would say.
For the record Salomon played 2896 minutes for his 8 goals and 2 assists.

Wait til J-Rod gets in a Pulis team, that'll sort out his goal per minute ratio...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 29, 2017, 10:34:46 PM
Wait til J-Rod gets in a Pulis team, that'll sort out his goal per minute ratio...
Or you could look at it another way and say that our medical team could really improve his stats, but no...... easier to bash Pulis.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on June 29, 2017, 10:40:29 PM
Wait til J-Rod gets in a Pulis team, that'll sort out his goal per minute ratio...
Probably because he's injury-prone, way overpriced and 4th choice for a club we are supposed to be in direct competition with.

Add in the fact that he is not a Pulis-type striker and would probably be less effective than Rondon when he's getting balls lumped at his throat and the thought of spunking 1/3 of our transfer budget on him doesn't make me jump for joy.


So we basically shouldn't be trying to sign any strikers then because of our head coach?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: slate on June 29, 2017, 10:40:55 PM
Or you could look at it another way and say that our medical team could really improve his stats, but no...... easier to bash Pulis.

Just wondering... have you seen us play during the past year? If you were a premier league attacking midfielder or striker, could you pick a worse team to sign for than us?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 29, 2017, 10:43:12 PM
Depends where you get your stats from. In actual fact Rodriguez played a total of 885 minutes Premier league last season, scoring 5 goals and making 2 assists. Substantially better stats than Rondon i would say.
For the record Salomon played 2896 minutes for his 8 goals and 2 assists.
they are his total official prem league stats not one season. ::)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on June 29, 2017, 10:55:18 PM

So we basically shouldn't be trying to sign any strikers then because of our head coach?

No, we should be trying to sign strikers that suit his style of football. What is an isolated Jay Rodriguez going to offer that an isolated Salomon Rondon can't?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on June 29, 2017, 10:59:54 PM
No, we should be trying to sign strikers that suit his style of football. What is an isolated Jay Rodriguez going to offer that an isolated Salomon Rondon can't?

That's the issue though. We already tried that with Rondon and it hasn't exactly worked very well either. Maybe a new striker might prompt a bit of a change in style
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 29, 2017, 11:07:38 PM
Just wondering... have you seen us play during the past year? If you were a premier league attacking midfielder or striker, could you pick a worse team to sign for than us?
Yes I am a season ticket holder , and there are 10 teams worse than us
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 29, 2017, 11:11:26 PM
Rodrigues would improve us BUT only if he's played in his rightful position or we could end up with another Chadli where he's wasted.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 29, 2017, 11:49:35 PM
they are his total official prem league stats not one season. ::)
Yes but 38 of those 104 games have been as sub and many of them for only a few minutes
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on June 30, 2017, 12:15:13 AM
That's the issue though. We already tried that with Rondon and it hasn't exactly worked very well either. Maybe a new striker might prompt a bit of a change in style
.       .Who's to say we won't play both up front , TP has said he  might change our set up if he can get the right players in
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on June 30, 2017, 07:50:33 AM
A real worry is why is he not good enough for the Saints?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 30, 2017, 08:08:46 AM
Yes but 38 of those 104 games have been as sub and many of them for only a few minutes
why is that? a player who is on the subs bench 40% of the time suggests he's not good enough to get a starting place or coming back from injury regularly.
got no agenda about the player but we need first team players who improve the frontline by playing regularly and  scoring more than our currant strikers, fingers crossed if he signs he does that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 30, 2017, 08:28:43 AM
A real worry is why is he not good enough for the Saints?

it's not always that someone isn't good enough, it could be that they don't suit a managers particular style of play.
being "not good enough" doesn't mean they won't be good at another team.
maybe Southampton are letting him go as they have a surplus of strikers and want to free up funds? They may have decided that the striker they want to get rid of is the one that has had a serious injury.

As for this notion that he isn't a Pulis type player how come the interest is driven by Pulis (he has said in a few interviews that he'd like to get him)? is Pulis identifying and trying to sign non Pulis type players now?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 30, 2017, 09:14:38 AM
it's not always that someone isn't good enough, it could be that they don't suit a managers particular style of play.
being "not good enough" doesn't mean they won't be good at another team.
maybe Southampton are letting him go as they have a surplus of strikers and want to free up funds? They may have decided that the striker they want to get rid of is the one that has had a serious injury.

As for this notion that he isn't a Pulis type player how come the interest is driven by Pulis (he has said in a few interviews that he'd like to get him)? is Pulis identifying and trying to sign non Pulis type players now?

I agree that just because a player isn't getting game time at a club doesn't make him a bad player. In this instance Rodriguez did play for Southampton last season, but in circumstances where a player had virtually zero minutes particularly when they are in their 30' s I'd be very concerned about the signing. 

Southampton are above all else a trading club which the buying and selling of players is central to their model. They don't let players go into the last year of their contract either they sign an extension or they sell them and Rodriguez falls into that category. 

However as Pulis buying unpulis like players he does. Chester was never a Pulis centre half and no one could figure it out at the time but then it came apparent that he bought him as full back. Chadli is another and that is hardly a success.

Jay Rodriguez is not the typical lone centre forward which is why I don't think Pulis will buy him with that role in mind which is why I also think/hope there is another forward in the pipeline. It is also why I think Chadli might leave in part to fund it but also because his languid skills really aren't utilised in a Pulis side.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 30, 2017, 09:38:44 AM
I agree that just because a player isn't getting game time at a club doesn't make him a bad player. In this instance Rodriguez did play for Southampton last season, but in circumstances where a player had virtually zero minutes particularly when they are in their 30' s I'd be very concerned about the signing. 

Southampton are above all else a trading club which the buying and selling of players is central to their model. They don't let players go into the last year of their contract either they sign an extension or they sell them and Rodriguez falls into that category. 

However as Pulis buying unpulis like players he does. Chester was never a Pulis centre half and no one could figure it out at the time but then it came apparent that he bought him as full back. Chadli is another and that is hardly a success.

Jay Rodriguez is not the typical lone centre forward which is why I don't think Pulis will buy him with that role in mind which is why I also think/hope there is another forward in the pipeline. It is also why I think Chadli might leave in part to fund it but also because his languid skills really aren't utilised in a Pulis side.

Rodriguez is 27 not in his 30's.

With regard to Chester; Pulis bought him as you rightly say to play as a fullback, that in itself is a very Pulis thing to do; convert centre halves into Fullbacks (or at least try to).

My (rather glib) point was that any player Pulis wants, must be by definition, a Pulis type player.

I agree about Rodriguez as a lone striker although I do think his mobility and skill level will make him better at it than a lot of people think, I think he will find space a lot better than Rondon does/can. I expect Rodriguez will start out wide left allowing Chadli to play in the middle behind Rondon (or whoever).

Having skillful pacy players alongside/around him will definitely benefit Chadli and I don't think he will leave.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cornishbaggie on June 30, 2017, 10:46:11 AM
Jay Rodriguez is the best we can hope for under the current management team.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 30, 2017, 01:01:07 PM
Yes I am a season ticket holder , and there are 10 teams worse than us

There may be 10 worse teams than us last season, but the question was is there a worse team for attacking players. Creative players don't get the freedom to play and express themselves, they get shunted out wide and told to play in a rigid way. A striker who wants goal bonuses throughout the season won't play for us because they won't get many chances - they will pretty much have to score 50% of their chances to get about 15 goals. And they'll be plowing a lone furrow most of the season.

If I was a forward, I wouldn't sign for us, even supporting us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: slate on June 30, 2017, 03:28:35 PM
Falloutboy- spot on mate
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on June 30, 2017, 04:48:11 PM
There may be 10 worse teams than us last season, but the question was is there a worse team for attacking players. Creative players don't get the freedom to play and express themselves, they get shunted out wide and told to play in a rigid way. A striker who wants goal bonuses throughout the season won't play for us because they won't get many chances - they will pretty much have to score 50% of their chances to get about 15 goals. And they'll be plowing a lone furrow most of the season.

If I was a forward, I wouldn't sign for us, even supporting us.

Agree, under Pulis it wouldn't benefit your career. I suppose for Rodriguez though as he's 27 - it wouldn't be awful.

I'd also add that if I were a defender then I genuinely would like to play under Pulis as it would make you look great.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ripryan1971 on June 30, 2017, 05:35:45 PM
Lads you all were moaning at the start of last season then the period between November and Feb we scored 2s and 3s every home game, are you forgetting that?

Yes we had a poor run at the end, but seriously, could any other manager in this league get WBA to finished where we did, answer is 100% no

Look at our squad now 13 outfield players 2 keepers and a few kids, league 2 teams have more.

There's probably loads of players Pulis wants but we won't do the deals simple as. Chadli wasn't a Pulis player but we signed him.

The only thing i will ever agree on is, a majority of players may not sign for us whilst Pulis is here.

Villa signed championship players and a load of Frenchies and went down. They must be the right players for WBA, But yes we are slow at doing business all the time.

Sorry went off Topic there following a rant lol
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 30, 2017, 05:52:16 PM
Rodriguez is 27 not in his 30's.

With regard to Chester; Pulis bought him as you rightly say to play as a fullback, that in itself is a very Pulis thing to do; convert centre halves into Fullbacks (or at least try to).

My (rather glib) point was that any player Pulis wants, must be by definition, a Pulis type player.

I agree about Rodriguez as a lone striker although I do think his mobility and skill level will make him better at it than a lot of people think, I think he will find space a lot better than Rondon does/can. I expect Rodriguez will start out wide left allowing Chadli to play in the middle behind Rondon (or whoever).

Having skillful pacy players alongside/around him will definitely benefit Chadli and I don't think he will leave.
just don't see Pulis picking a team consisting Rondon, Chadli, Rodriguez & possibly Phillips. that would only leave space for 6 defensive players plus a goalie. :(
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 30, 2017, 07:15:28 PM
just don't see Pulis picking a team consisting Rondon, Chadli, Rodriguez & possibly Phillips. that would only leave space for 6 defensive players plus a goalie. :(
Rotation?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: sayer3 on June 30, 2017, 07:53:07 PM
12m Fee agreed according to John Percy
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 30, 2017, 08:26:09 PM
Rotation?
obviously it then wouldn't consist Rondon, Chadli , Phillips and Rodriguez which is what I was pointing out.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on June 30, 2017, 08:32:24 PM
obviously it then wouldn't consist Rondon, Chadli , Phillips and Rodriguez which is what I was pointing out.

Livermore sitting deep behind them paired with another defensive midfielder doesn't sound too bad to me
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on June 30, 2017, 08:37:22 PM
12m Fee agreed according to John Percy
Woo!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 30, 2017, 09:12:33 PM
£12m rising to £15m with add-ons fine and dandy in this market ( not really but what the heck) What happens next determines whether this is good bad or indifferent. I like the player but still don't see him working in the current set up. We will no doubt find out soon enough.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on June 30, 2017, 09:16:59 PM
Livermore sitting deep behind them paired with another defensive midfielder doesn't sound too bad to me

In a normal 4231 having Phillips/Chadli/Jay in front of Yacob/Livermore doesn't sound too bad, but TP's system isn't normal. Assuming there's no setback and this acquisition goes through I look forward to comments from TP about this signing and whether he envisions Jay out wide or up front. I don't know much about him but I wouldn't think he's even been asked to work so extensively tracking back and forth out wide. This arguably affected Chadli's form last season (along with the injury)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: darbolina on June 30, 2017, 09:25:40 PM
At 12m , using the Berahino money is good business if it goes through. Versatile, talented , powerful player IF he stays fit.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on June 30, 2017, 09:37:03 PM
Disappointed, not what we need imo. £12m is a hell of a lot if he's not a guaranteed starter. I'm just hoping he'll be left of the three in behind Rondon, allowing Chadli to take his best central position. I fear he is direct competition with Rondon, and I can't see him being a noticeable improvement in a Pulis set up - either way we'd have a £12m player stuck on the bench.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on June 30, 2017, 09:37:42 PM
Why does everyone think he'll play up front on his own .TP as always said if he had the players he would change the system. Palace were very attack minded under Pullis . Think we could be surprised .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on June 30, 2017, 09:57:14 PM
Why does everyone think he'll play up front on his own .TP as always said if he had the players he would change the system. Palace were very attack minded under Pullis . Think we could be surprised .

 :-\ I know Palace were awful in '13-'14 before TP had a hell of a 6-month run with them, but they still scored just 33 goals that season which was 3rd worst in the league and the two teams who scored less were relegated that season. TP got results there, but unless you're telling me they were "very attack minded" without a whole lot of goals scored then I don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 30, 2017, 10:48:15 PM
Why does everyone think he'll play up front on his own .TP as always said if he had the players he would change the system. Palace were very attack minded under Pullis . Think we could be surprised .

Pulis has a track record of producing low scoring sides regardless of formation and how much he's spent on players much as I like Jay Rod I'm under no illusion that his arrival marks a departure. I will take the under on 45 goals next season regardless of signings.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on June 30, 2017, 11:25:13 PM
Disappointed, not what we need imo. £12m is a hell of a lot if he's not a guaranteed starter. I'm just hoping he'll be left of the three in behind Rondon, allowing Chadli to take his best central position. I fear he is direct competition with Rondon, and I can't see him being a noticeable improvement in a Pulis set up - either way we'd have a £12m player stuck on the bench.
in real monetary terms a straight swap for Saido,whats not to like about it,a far better player which in effect has cost us zilch.its what we now do with the real transfer budget
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 30, 2017, 11:32:32 PM
Anybody read the oatcake lol
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on June 30, 2017, 11:33:02 PM
We did score a pretty decent number of goals in the period Mid Sept to March last season which is fair chunk of the season. It's not beyond the bounds that we can get back to that type of form with the right additions and a bit more strength in depth than we had last year.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on July 01, 2017, 12:40:03 AM
There may be 10 worse teams than us last season, but the question was is there a worse team for attacking players. Creative players don't get the freedom to play and express themselves, they get shunted out wide and told to play in a rigid way. A striker who wants goal bonuses throughout the season won't play for us because they won't get many chances - they will pretty much have to score 50% of their chances to get about 15 goals. And they'll be plowing a lone furrow most of the season.

If I was a forward, I wouldn't sign for us, even supporting us.

If Rondon scored 50% of his chances he'd have got 82 goals. We do create chances, just need a bit more quality to put them away
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 01, 2017, 01:07:25 AM
If Rondon scored 50% of his chances he'd have got 82 goals. We do create chances, just need a bit more quality to put them away


If you think Rondon had 164 clear chances last season then I'd find a better stats site mate.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on July 01, 2017, 01:15:11 AM

If you think Rondon had 164 clear chances last season then I'd find a better stats site mate.

Was just making a point about strikers needing to score 50% of their chances to get 15 goals in our team. Just isn't true. Also they didn't say clear chances, just said chances. Used the Premier League site mate
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Foster#1 on July 01, 2017, 01:52:24 AM
Rodriguez best form has came when he's played left mid Cutting in on his right

Rondon
Rodriguez chadli Phillips

Exciting top 4
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on July 01, 2017, 08:20:14 AM
Rodriguez best form has came when he's played left mid Cutting in on his right

Rondon
Rodriguez chadli Phillips

Exciting top 4
If we get top 4 with that lot then it would be exciting  :P

On a serious note, I think that front 4 would be quite a rarity for all of them to be starting together. Phillips and Rodriguez seem quite injury prone whilst Chadli and Rondon's form dips a lot, so I would still expect the likes of McClean and Morrison to be starting the odd game as well.

As said yesterday though, if you think of it as swapping Berahino for Rodriguez then it's certainly good business.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 01, 2017, 06:54:33 PM
obviously it then wouldn't consist Rondon, Chadli , Phillips and Rodriguez which is what I was pointing out.
Well yes it is obvious! We need more options and everyone knows he would not put a side out which you posted. He will balance the sid out to get results.That is his job.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on July 01, 2017, 07:11:22 PM
Well yes it is obvious! We need more options and everyone knows he would not put a side out which you posted. He will balance the sid out to get results.That is his job.
another poster said it would be good to see all four play, I made the point saying Pulis wont play all four at the same time.
is sid a new player? ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 01, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
I have to say, I think this is going to be an excellent signing for us. if it wasn't for his major injury, this kid would have a great record and would be out of our reach.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on July 01, 2017, 08:12:03 PM
I have to say, I think this is going to be an excellent signing for us. if it wasn't for his major injury, this kid would have a great record and would be out of our reach.

I agree and im confident we can keep him fit. I instantly think of Steven Reid when we are looking to sign players with injury problems. Reid used to have problems and spent alot of time injured before joining us where he became a regular figure and was arguably one of the first names on the team sheet. Keep this lad fit and he will be our best striker simple as that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on July 02, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
Pretty much confirmed. WBA just replied to a tweet on twitter with Rodriguez sat with a wba shirt behind him.


Welcome lad.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on July 02, 2017, 03:42:21 PM
Confirmed.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on July 02, 2017, 03:45:30 PM
Innovative unveil from the club too.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on July 02, 2017, 03:48:50 PM
Innovative unveil from the club too.

Fantastic announcement by the club to have a slight pop back at the inpatient lot on Twitter. Welcome Jay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Foster#1 on July 02, 2017, 03:52:24 PM
Second day into the transfer market and we've spent 12m already.

Where's the ambition ?

The reaction of fans is always the same, we all don't have a clue what's going on behind closed doors
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on July 02, 2017, 03:56:25 PM
Signed official on bbc now. £12m fee
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: don1thedon on July 02, 2017, 04:01:01 PM
Welcome to the Baggies Jay, I hope you become an Albion legend!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: MarkW on July 02, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
ALBION can confirm their first signing of the summer of 2017 with Jay Rodriguez joining the Club from Premier League rivals Southampton.

The 27-year-old forward has signed a four-year contract for an undisclosed fee.

Jay will meet his new team-mates tomorrow when the players report back for training as the Baggies begin shaping up for the Club's eighth consecutive Premier League campaign.

But after the handshakes and greetings it will be down to hard work immediately as he then jets off to Austria with the Baggies and the first phase of the pre-season schedule.

"After one or two 'near misses' I'm absolutely buzzing to be here," says Jay, referring to Albion's two previously thwarted attempts to recruit him from the St Mary's Stadium.

"The most important thing for any player is to be wanted – and Tony Pulis and Albion have made it clear just how much they have wanted me to join. That's fantastic for any footballer to hear.

"I'm genuinely delighted to be joining a club of Albion's stature. The team is full of top players and it's pretty clear that they are also a great set of lads."

Head Coach Tony Pulis tried to land Jay a year ago and again in the January window only for Saints to remain reluctant to do business.

Chairman John Williams commented: "I am delighted to welcome Jay to The Hawthorns. We tried to sign him during the previous two windows and it's third time 'deal done.' Our persistence has been rewarded.

"Jay is a proven Premier League striker, an England international and a player who will give Tony more attacking options."

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2017/july/rodriguez-signs-for-albion/
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on July 02, 2017, 04:10:42 PM
Also confirms that we were indeed trying to sign him in the last two windows
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 02, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
This will one day be viewed as either a good deal or we were robbed depending on his fitness.

If we can keep him fit then it's a good deal in the current climate.

We've basically swapped him for Saido, which can only be seen as a good deal as Saido did nothing for the last 18 months
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: maximus on July 02, 2017, 04:17:45 PM
Decent signing, Point to prove along with world cup season. On his day he can be a goal threat and nuisance to play against so hopefully we'll get his best years.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 02, 2017, 04:17:59 PM
Note the date. Fritzl is happy with the signing.

Just hope he stays injury free and Pulis plays him to his strengths, i.e. in the opposition half.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on July 02, 2017, 04:20:14 PM
Great signing. Versatile forward who "works aaaaaaaaaard"
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Legend on July 02, 2017, 04:22:58 PM
His last full season when fully fit he scored 15 PL goals in 33 appearances. Hopefully we can see him back to his best and over his injury troubles. I've got a good feeling about him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on July 02, 2017, 04:24:40 PM
Good signing without a ridiculous fee. A great start to July
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiebof on July 02, 2017, 04:25:40 PM
I'm glad that it's been done for him to join our pre-season, vital with his injury record.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on July 02, 2017, 04:26:07 PM
Good signing, welcome Jay
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smosher34 on July 02, 2017, 04:30:00 PM
That's better news and we do have a good record keeping players fit . Great to get him in for preseason
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boingboing1989 on July 02, 2017, 04:36:10 PM
Really encouraging words from JRod in his interview, seems eager to impress and actually seems like he wants to be here which can only mean good things.

Great bit of business and in early doors with a full pre-season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on July 02, 2017, 04:42:25 PM
Welcome to the Albion Jay!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HamsteadHarry on July 02, 2017, 04:46:47 PM
A good signing
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on July 02, 2017, 04:58:19 PM
Happy days!!!!!

Welcome Jay :)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: orville on July 02, 2017, 05:07:03 PM
Welcome to the Baggies Jay
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: divinewind on July 02, 2017, 05:11:10 PM
Good'signing
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Pie on July 02, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
Good signing, sort of player we are missing at the moment.

Hopefully a few more to come soon!

                                Foster

Nyom/Dawson   New CB   Evans   New LB

                  Livermore   New CM

   Phillips              Chadli               J-Rod

                        Rondon
   

Ambitious i know but one can still hope!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on July 02, 2017, 05:17:28 PM
Great news

Welcome jay
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on July 02, 2017, 05:20:58 PM
I've only seen the fee reported as £12m without any add-ons taking it up to £15m if that is the case it isn't too bad .

We will have to wait and see where we play him, I suspect some of the more adventurous formations I've seen posted on here won't be the way Pulis goes. 

A solid signing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: divinewind on July 02, 2017, 05:29:16 PM
On'the'plus'side,if'there'are'add'on's,it'means'he's'doing'ok,
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 02, 2017, 05:31:36 PM
On'the'plus'side,if'there'are'add'on's,it'means'he's'doing'ok,

Good signing, hopefully we can keep him fit ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jimmy on July 02, 2017, 06:10:46 PM
Great news and glad we have another striker?No10?Wide man?

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggie79 on July 02, 2017, 06:46:51 PM
Has anyone ever seen Jay Rodriguez and James Morrison in the same room? Just saying!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on July 02, 2017, 06:55:08 PM
Welcome Jrod,  a straight swap for Saido a player who hated us for a player who wants to be here, what's not to like,I this k we got the better deal easily
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on July 02, 2017, 06:57:01 PM
Has anyone ever seen Jay Rodriguez and James Morrison in the same room? Just saying!!
I was thinking similar....the media and refs have enough trouble with Dawson and G-Mac
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: geoff on July 02, 2017, 07:00:22 PM
Welcome jay & here's to a bright future
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on July 02, 2017, 07:24:46 PM
Happy with this, established pro, different type of forward to what we already have.  Assume we have done due diligence on fitness.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on July 02, 2017, 07:26:03 PM
If he is or can get back to his best then It's a great signing

Welcome to the club Jay
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: geoff on July 02, 2017, 08:08:04 PM
Happy with this, established pro, different type of forward to what we already have.  Assume we have done due diligence on fitness.

Well we will soon find out if he gets through TP pre season camps i'd say 100% he is fit ;)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 02, 2017, 08:36:54 PM
Will his knee stand up to those Austrian mountains?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggies_24 on July 02, 2017, 08:58:17 PM
I'm not Pulis's biggest fan however our injury record under him has been very impressive so I'm pretty confident that we will get him fit and going again it just remains to be seen whether he'l have his attacking instincts and creativity coached out of him.

Still good signing be interesting to see where he plays, I'd still like another forward or wide attacking left winger. It will give us the luxury of been able to drop Rondon and play Rodriguez up top if Rondon goes on another 18 game goal drought.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 54hines on July 02, 2017, 09:14:24 PM
Extremely happy to sign a player who seems to know what is expected of him and prepared to do it plus genuinely seems to want to play for us. I really hope and think that at the end of season comparisons are made of the transfers of jay and saido and we have a smile when viewing the oatcake site.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on July 02, 2017, 10:17:15 PM
Very relieved about getting him over the line. We have desparately needed more options up front and in the goal scoring department.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on July 03, 2017, 12:30:46 AM
Welcome to the Albion Jay and good luck
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DivinePast on July 03, 2017, 12:36:51 AM
Hope he is amazing here!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on July 03, 2017, 01:31:17 AM
Great to see another decent striker/scoring coming in.

Welcome J-Rod !!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on July 03, 2017, 07:52:36 AM
Excellent signing! And an early one for once!

Welcome, Jay and good luck!

Wonder what number he will wear? 16 perhaps?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 03, 2017, 07:55:48 AM
really pleased with this.
Now lets get us a left back, centre half and Box to box midfielder. Use our two loans for another striker in the Rondon mold and a winger.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on July 03, 2017, 08:39:46 AM
£12m rising to £15m with 'add ons' [for the want of a better phrase]

Depending on what they are I hope it does cost us 15 as it will mean that he has been a success :)

All of a sudden we are all chirpy again!

 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kc56wba on July 03, 2017, 08:47:01 AM
£12m rising to £15m with 'add ons' [for the want of a better phrase]

Depending on what they are I hope it does cost us 15 as it will mean that he has been a success :)

All of a sudden we are all chirpy again!
And don't it make a change for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on July 03, 2017, 09:08:58 AM
And don't it make a change for us.

It does really Kev, I don't think TP is known for entering the market too early so again it is just something slightly different that suggests the new regime may be taking it seriously.

I know that we have been linked with everybody and his dog recently, but now that the International market is open and everyone is back off holiday, we are being linked to a couple of interesting names. Happy days!

I even detected 'happiness' from Fritzl.......
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 03, 2017, 10:08:03 AM
It does really Kev, I don't think TP is known for entering the market too early so again it is just something slightly different that suggests the new regime may be taking it seriously.

I know that we have been linked with everybody and his dog recently, but now that the International market is open and everyone is back off holiday, we are being linked to a couple of interesting names. Happy days!

I even detected 'happiness' from Fritzl.......

Most definitely. He is the one British signing I could get behind as I have seen the player he can be before his injury.

Now can we look abroad and get some good value for money in the remainder pls  ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on July 03, 2017, 10:16:09 AM
Most definitely. He is the one British signing I could get behind as I have seen the player he can be before his injury.

Now can we look abroad and get some good value for money in the remainder pls  ;D

I have made a note of the date Fritzl.......
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 03, 2017, 10:29:07 AM
just had a customer come in wearing a mask and a striped t shirt, hes obviously a southampton fan. welcome Jay go prove them all wrong
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: koren on July 03, 2017, 12:42:10 PM
Welcome to the club, Jay. :)

£12m is a reasonable price in nowadays transfer market, would be a decent signing if we can prevent him from injury.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 03, 2017, 12:47:41 PM
So where do we think he fits?

We can't have paid so much for a Robson-Kanu replacement to sit on the bench. He isn't a Pulis-type striker, so I can't see him getting the nod as a lone striker.

That means wide left. But Pulis likes McClean, so is this a sign we now consider Brunt as a left-back full time?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 03, 2017, 02:21:17 PM
If we can keep him fit and if he gets a run of games this will be a very astute signing.
However I’m not sure where he will fit into our side.  His best season was when he played in a front three at Southampton, with Lambert playing through the centre, Rodriguez was slightly off him on the left side and Lallana on the right.  A similar front 3 including Rodriguez; Rondon, Chadli or Phillips could do some real damage but I just can’t see Pulis playing such a formation.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 03, 2017, 02:24:28 PM
If we can keep him fit and if he gets a run of games this will be a very astute signing.
However I’m not sure where he will fit into our side.  His best season was when he played in a front three at Southampton, with Lambert playing through the centre, Rodriguez was slightly off him on the left side and Lallana on the right.  A similar front 3 including him Rondon, Chadli or Phillips could do some real damage but I just can’t see Pulis playing such a formation.

You would say the four of them on the pitch at the same time would be our best bet as an attacking force, with Livermore and another in the holding role, but I sadly do not see Pulis employing it. Far too attacking for his tastes.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on July 03, 2017, 02:45:55 PM
You would say the four of them on the pitch at the same time would be our best bet as an attacking force, with Livermore and another in the holding role, but I sadly do not see Pulis employing it. Far too attacking for his tastes.

Good to have the real Fritzl back......... :)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 03, 2017, 02:47:57 PM
Good to have the real Fritzl back......... :)

He's never too far away  ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyPulis on July 03, 2017, 02:57:40 PM
So where do we think he fits?

We can't have paid so much for a Robson-Kanu replacement to sit on the bench. He isn't a Pulis-type striker, so I can't see him getting the nod as a lone striker.

That means wide left. But Pulis likes McClean, so is this a sign we now consider Brunt as a left-back full time?

Does he really like McClean? Chadli played awful for most of the season but was still starting almost every game instead of McClean
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggie79 on July 03, 2017, 04:43:53 PM
Judging by Pulis's comments today it looks as if he has been brought mainly as a wide player who can fill in as a striker and not the other way round.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on July 03, 2017, 05:31:53 PM
Judging by Pulis's comments today it looks as if he has been brought mainly as a wide player who can fill in as a striker and not the other way round.

Exactly what I was hoping for, I can get behind the signing more now I've heard that.

Phillips - Chadli - Rodriguez
Rondon

With Morrison, McClean, Brunt and HRK able to rotate in through form and fitness.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on July 03, 2017, 05:38:03 PM
Exactly what I was hoping for, I can get behind the signing more now I've heard that.

Phillips - Chadli - Rodriguez
Rondon

With Morrison, McClean, Brunt and HRK able to rotate in through form and fitness.

I can get behind this. I would really love it if LB was more of a priority for this club though.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 03, 2017, 05:57:05 PM
Exactly what I was hoping for, I can get behind the signing more now I've heard that.

Phillips - Chadli - Rodriguez
Rondon

With Morrison, McClean, Brunt and HRK able to rotate in through form and fitness.

You would think he has to play that, but knowing our TP as well as we do now, I think only three of the four will start with another defensive mid in there
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on July 03, 2017, 08:32:21 PM
You would think he has to play that, but knowing our TP as well as we do now, I think only three of the four will start with another defensive mid in there

each one of Chadli, Jay, and Rondon cost double digits millions to bring to The Hawthorns. How can a club with a limited budget afford not to start those players on a consistent basis? The only one who doesn't match this description is Phillips and he should be an unquestioned starter. There's a lot of transfer window left but as of right now how can TP justify spending the money to bring these guys in but not starting them all?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on July 03, 2017, 09:22:38 PM
each one of Chadli, Jay, and Rondon cost double digits millions to bring to The Hawthorns. How can a club with a limited budget afford not to start those players on a consistent basis? The only one who doesn't match this description is Phillips and he should be an unquestioned starter. There's a lot of transfer window left but as of right now how can TP justify spending the money to bring these guys in but not starting them all?
He may well start them all and it wouldn't be too different to what we had at times last season with Rondon, Phillips, Chadli and McClean/Brunt. There will be times when a £12m player is left out which would be a good sign for strength in depth.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on July 03, 2017, 11:18:24 PM
each one of Chadli, Jay, and Rondon cost double digits millions to bring to The Hawthorns. How can a club with a limited budget afford not to start those players on a consistent basis? The only one who doesn't match this description is Phillips and he should be an unquestioned starter. There's a lot of transfer window left but as of right now how can TP justify spending the money to bring these guys in but not starting them all?

Also a price tag shouldn't justify a starting place. If they're playing poorly it's good to have some competition to be able to rotate
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on July 04, 2017, 06:54:52 AM
get
Also a price tag shouldn't justify a starting place. If they're playing poorly it's good to have some competition to be able to rotate

Two things firstly fees plus wages are the real cost to the club, and secondly we have to get the money on the pitch.

Players should be selected on merit but if we are playing McClean ahead of Chadli,Rodriguez or even Philips that's not a sign of strength it means we spent the money on the wrong players.

Ultimately I can't help thinking this will boil down to a choice between Chadli and Rodriguez.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 04, 2017, 07:41:02 AM
So where do we think he fits?

We can't have paid so much for a Robson-Kanu replacement to sit on the bench. He isn't a Pulis-type striker, so I can't see him getting the nod as a lone striker.

That means wide left. But Pulis likes McClean, so is this a sign we now consider Brunt as a left-back full time?

I hope it's more of a sign that we consider Brunt an option from the bench. I think we will sign a left back in this window.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on July 04, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
Judging by Pulis's comments today it looks as if he has been brought mainly as a wide player who can fill in as a striker and not the other way round.
If he plays wide left in a front 3, as he did for Saints, it is a great signing.
If he plays as a secondary left back, in a defensive midfield 5, then it's a bit of a waste as he will be a fish out of water, same as Chadli.
If we bring these type of players in, we have to play to their strengths. Will Pulis have the courage, I doubt it, but live in hope.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 04, 2017, 07:00:18 PM
Always like the look of him when he's been fit and playing but I must admit I struggle to see exactly where he fits in a Pulis side and his injury record is a concern. Actually looking forward to seeing how he gets on.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on July 04, 2017, 07:11:13 PM
Two things firstly fees plus wages are the real cost to the club, and secondly we have to get the money on the pitch.

Players should be selected on merit but if we are playing McClean ahead of Chadli,Rodriguez or even Philips that's not a sign of strength it means we spent the money on the wrong players.

Ultimately I can't help thinking this will boil down to a choice between Chadli and Rodriguez.
Being picky but form has to come into it though....in September Chadli may be playing at his best which means he's picked ahead of McClean. In November Chadli may be off the boil so McClean is picked (which doesn't mean we shouldn't have bought Chadli). You could argue in that case that we should have bought someone instead of Chadli who's always good but in reality.....
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on July 04, 2017, 11:20:03 PM
Two things firstly fees plus wages are the real cost to the club, and secondly we have to get the money on the pitch.

Players should be selected on merit but if we are playing McClean ahead of Chadli,Rodriguez or even Philips that's not a sign of strength it means we spent the money on the wrong players.

Ultimately I can't help thinking this will boil down to a choice between Chadli and Rodriguez.

This is where we have to disagree. I understand the business side of things but if the expensive signing/high earning guy is playing poorly, he still deserves to be rotated regardless of cost to the club. All well and good getting the money on the pitch but no point if you get relegated because the cheaper in-form player is stuck on the bench while the expensive guy isn't doing anything on the pitch.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on July 05, 2017, 12:26:12 AM
I am not saying that form doesn't count and that the most expensive players are untouchable, however the plan should be to get the money on the pitch. If things don't pan out that way so be it but as soon as is possible you unload the players that are costing the most without making a contribution. You absolutely don't carry 3 starting XI salaries for one position but don't have a clear starter in another.

If for whatever reason we aren't playing our most expensive players then something is wrong. If Rodriquez ends up in the 10 role then there are an awful lot of resources being tied up in Morrison and Chadli that might be better deployed elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggieboyfred on July 05, 2017, 09:09:52 AM
not sure about this one , started of a promising career , then injuries have taken their toll, to be honest we are taking another 12m gamble on a player that may or may not do the business, my yardstick is always , how many other clubs in the premiership are competing for his signature, not a lot, if any I would much rather take a shot on a young unknown who has just started making his way, it would certainly be a lot cheaper and therefore less of a gamble, mind you when we do sign such a player we loan him out for 2 years with no real control over his development. why is it that other clubs in the premiership s seem to find these types of players and all we seem to get is the players that nobody else wants.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 05, 2017, 09:43:13 AM
not sure about this one , started of a promising career , then injuries have taken their toll, to be honest we are taking another 12m gamble on a player that may or may not do the business, my yardstick is always , how many other clubs in the premiership are competing for his signature, not a lot, if any I would much rather take a shot on a young unknown who has just started making his way, it would certainly be a lot cheaper and therefore less of a gamble, mind you when we do sign such a player we loan him out for 2 years with no real control over his development. why is it that other clubs in the premiership s seem to find these types of players and all we seem to get is the players that nobody else wants.

If we did that the club would no doubt be slagged off for buying unknown players.

We had to loan out the Chinese player  (I'm assuming that's who you are referencing with the 2 year loan comment)as he wouldn't have got a work permit, which may well be another issue with buying unknown players, depending obviously on how "unknown" they really are.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on July 05, 2017, 09:55:39 AM
not sure about this one , started of a promising career , then injuries have taken their toll, to be honest we are taking another 12m gamble on a player that may or may not do the business, my yardstick is always , how many other clubs in the premiership are competing for his signature, not a lot, if any I would much rather take a shot on a young unknown who has just started making his way, it would certainly be a lot cheaper and therefore less of a gamble, mind you when we do sign such a player we loan him out for 2 years with no real control over his development. why is it that other clubs in the premiership s seem to find these types of players and all we seem to get is the players that nobody else wants.

If you check 'Oatcake' Stoke were looking at him, and his former club Burnley were also considering him. He has passed a West Brom medical [notoriously difficult - ask Sakho!!] and TP has been after him for some time. So lets just trust his judgement on this one. Personally I think its a great signing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on July 05, 2017, 10:45:40 PM
I'm happy with the Rodriguez signing, as long as we don't out all of our faith in him. I think we need to ensure we bring in a wide forward or some sort as a back up in case his injury problems flair up.

He is a good character though and hus record pre injury was one of a £25 million striker in today's market. Let's hope he gets back to that level.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: stoxman on July 09, 2017, 10:53:47 AM
I wonder how far from match fit he his.   It's always frustrating when a new signing doesn't make the match squad or team until November and TP talks about the good work going on with the physios, needs a few more reserve games etc.  Hopefully a full pre-season will be enough to have him ready for the first match.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on July 09, 2017, 11:00:27 AM
I wonder how far from match fit he his.   It's always frustrating when a new signing doesn't make the match squad or team until November and TP talks about the good work going on with the physios, needs a few more reserve games etc.  Hopefully a full pre-season will be enough to have him ready for the first match.

Don't do this to me....... saw the Rodriguez thread pop up and thought you were going to say he'd got injured in training  :o  :-X .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on July 09, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
I wonder how far from match fit he his.   It's always frustrating when a new signing doesn't make the match squad or team until November and TP talks about the good work going on with the physios, needs a few more reserve games etc.  Hopefully a full pre-season will be enough to have him ready for the first match.

Jay -Rod is a player Pulis wants and I absolutely guarantee that he will be match fit come August assuming he doesn't pick up a knock. On the other hand Chadli won't be nor will any player that Pulis feels he has had to make a compromise in having in his squad. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: A5HB on July 09, 2017, 12:17:04 PM
I wonder how far from match fit he his.   It's always frustrating when a new signing doesn't make the match squad or team until November and TP talks about the good work going on with the physios, needs a few more reserve games etc.  Hopefully a full pre-season will be enough to have him ready for the first match.
I see people make comments and jokes about this all the time but it's a bit of a myth really. The 'hasn't had a pre season' line is used as a stick to hit Pulis with but it only ever actually applies to players who haven't actually had one. Not a dig at you at all but I see so many fans say this about our targets when they have obviously been training at their current club. I don't think any of the 5 players who joined last year had any real issues bar HRK who hadn't trained all summer as a free agent. He only missed one game as well and was involved by mid September. The summer before the only one was Gnabry who missed big chunks of the Arsenal pre season with injury.

It was actually much worse under Irvine where we signed about 6/7 players who all genuinely hasn't had any pre season for all sorts of reasons.

Rodriguez was fit for pretty much the whole of last year and injury permitting will go through the full pre season with us. Unless he picks up a probably then he should absolutely be fit for the first game.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on August 13, 2017, 11:15:38 AM
There's a lot of (deserved) praise for Hegazi but J-Rod was immense first half and gave the Bournemouth defence the run around and led the line very well. I was unsure about him as a lone frontman but he shown he was more than capable against a good defender in Ake.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on August 13, 2017, 11:19:01 AM
Think he benefited from having the ball largely played to his feet as opposed to receiving it at neck height.

Played well, more of the same please.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on August 13, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
He has got that natural instinct to adjust his body/improvise and get shots off even if the ball doesn't arrive perfectly. Le Tissier was saying what a great lad he was yesterday also.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 13, 2017, 11:26:49 AM
I like how he wasn't afraid to take a shot.
Any sniff of half a chance and he's taking a shot which will either lead to goals or corners
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 13, 2017, 11:39:54 AM
Think he benefited from having the ball largely played to his feet as opposed to receiving it at neck height.

Played well, more of the same please.

Yes exactly which I think is part of Rondons frustrations. That's the most mobile and ball on the deck attack we've played for a while - for all his obvious positives, Evans is prone to taking time at the back to look up and fire a ball in the air forward - same with McAuley and Dawson. Hegazi yesterday was more keen to go forward and down the flanks and Phillips and McClean lapped that up yesterday around JRod. I believe Sal sat on the bench thinking where's this been all season.

That said JRod gets into those positions more from what I saw yesterday, and allows through balls to be played. Let's face it, if Rondon wandered around looking for through balls last season and stopped being the Target Man, we'd never have found him.

Need need need to keep that ball on the deck as much as possible this season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on September 10, 2017, 04:21:35 AM
He's looked woeful since the Bournemouth game. Can't wait until people are getting on his back like they have been Rondon. We'll get the "can't control a ball", "can't hit a barn door", "sign a proper striker like Deeney" comments in the next couple of weeks. Despite the fact that no attacking player has looked consistently good since Pulis took over. Even Phillips looks terrible this season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on September 10, 2017, 08:46:27 AM
Wasted out wide being forced to track back. Needs to play up top or as a No.10 and we see the best out of him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on September 10, 2017, 09:20:34 AM
Firstly don't forget he scored in the previous game.

This will probably become like the Chadli argument.....J-Rod has played a lot coming in off the left in the past and whoever plays there has to track back.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on September 10, 2017, 09:22:31 AM
Firstly don't forget he scored in the previous game.

This will probably become like the Chadli argument.....J-Rod has played a lot coming in off the left in the past and whoever plays there has to track back.

Correct, but he's better up top and better than Rondon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on September 10, 2017, 09:23:49 AM
Wasted out wide being forced to track back. Needs to play up top or as a No.10 and we see the best out of him.
100% agree and if he doesn't that will be another good player ruined by Pulis.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on October 17, 2017, 11:10:51 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/10/17/gareth-southgate-considers-england-recall-jay-rodriguez/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
on the verge of an England recall according to the Perce  8)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 18, 2017, 12:42:24 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/10/17/gareth-southgate-considers-england-recall-jay-rodriguez/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
on the verge of an England recall according to the Perce  8)

Well he’s selected Livermore based on some poor displays so Rodriguez has ticked that box of late.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on October 18, 2017, 06:30:25 AM
Wasted out wide being forced to track back. Needs to play up top or as a No.10 and we see the best out of him.

Another player having his ability trained out of him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on October 18, 2017, 11:38:41 AM
Needs to play centrally for me, ideally as the lone striker with Chadli behind, Phillips and Brunt on the flanks and we may start playing it on the floor.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on October 18, 2017, 11:50:29 AM
Needs to play centrally for me, ideally as the lone striker with Chadli behind, Phillips and Brunt on the flanks and we may start playing it on the floor.

Doesn't really matter who you play in what positions, the instructions from the top will still be to lump it forward quickly. I do agree that if he plays it has to be centrally, looks wasted out on the wing currently.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on October 18, 2017, 11:58:26 AM
I would like to see a diamond ?? with rondon up top

ie

                          Rondon

                Chadli               JRod
 
                          Krychowiak

              Barry                       Yac / Livermore


Gibbs      Evans                      GMac               Nyom

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on October 18, 2017, 04:30:11 PM
Rodriguez needs to be on the left not the right of any formation we play. Chadli needs to be down the middle. Phillips on the right
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on October 18, 2017, 04:45:11 PM
I've just come in from work and read on teletext that according to the Telegraph Southgate is considering recalling Rodriguez into his squad!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on October 18, 2017, 04:53:43 PM
I've just come in from work and read on teletext that according to the Telegraph Southgate is considering recalling Rodriguez into his squad!
There's hope for me yet, better start polishing me Gola!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on October 18, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
There's hope for me yet, better start polishing me Gola!
Don't get me wrong I like Rodriguez, but I think a call up for England is a bit much! At the moment, the player who should be on the radar though is Gibbs
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on October 19, 2017, 09:42:07 AM
Don't get me wrong I like Rodriguez, but I think a call up for England is a bit much! At the moment, the player who should be on the radar though is Gibbs
If true, it just shows how ridiculous the England selection process is.
He's playing out of position on the left wing, so, are they saying he is the best English left winger around at present or, are they bringing him in as a striker, in which case it cannot be based on scouting because he hasn't played there!. Bonkers.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 19, 2017, 02:43:03 PM
Obviously always good to hear a baggie in the England squad but come on here
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on October 21, 2017, 10:19:02 PM
should be nowhere near a England call up going on his form this past month.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ashdoy on October 21, 2017, 10:25:11 PM
Been poor since he came. Doesn't bring much at all, especially out wide. Brunt, Phillips, Burke should all be ahead of him out wide.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on October 21, 2017, 10:28:58 PM
Made a bad hash of what was the best chance of the match for either side. Needs to take a split second before pulling the trigger.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on October 21, 2017, 10:34:35 PM
Woeful display on his return to old club and to be honest has not been impressed by displays so far in baggie shirt
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 21, 2017, 10:40:29 PM
Made a bad hash of what was the best chance of the match for either side. Needs to take a split second before pulling the trigger.


He also should have played Gibbs in on another occasion. Whatever qualities he had at Burnley I feel injuries have diminished him to the point that he should be dropping back down the leagues.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 22, 2017, 12:16:58 PM
Predicted at the start of the season it would take 10 games until people started turning on him.

Much like Rondon and Chadli, having the most defensive coach in the country is obviously going to make our attacking players seem worse than they are.

All three are good enough to start for mid table/bottom half premiership sides, judging on their careers before coming to us and their performances in an Albion shirt, when you adjust for the tactics we play.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on October 22, 2017, 12:22:49 PM
Predicted at the start of the season it would take 10 games until people started turning on him.

Much like Rondon and Chadli, having the most defensive coach in the country is obviously going to make our attacking players seem worse than they are.

All three are good enough to start for mid table/bottom half premiership sides, judging on their careers before coming to us and their performances in an Albion shirt, when you adjust for the tactics we play.

Our coach is a master of coaching talent out of players
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on October 22, 2017, 12:53:24 PM
His best game was his debut up front. Average since, but played out of position in my view as the outer fullback in a back 6/7 under Pulis.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on October 29, 2017, 12:05:30 AM
Great finish today, must have known he was about to get clattered as well. One of the few attacking players we've got that I was confident that he'd put the chance away
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on December 03, 2017, 09:23:52 AM
Hope he finds a bit of form soon, but we need to stop playing him on the wing as he's wasted there.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2017, 10:10:41 AM
Not a winger and not as good as Rondon. Sub at best.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie96 on December 03, 2017, 10:42:47 AM
Thought rondon and Rodriguez looked very good together when jrod moved up front. That one two where rondon had his volley blocked was excellent. Could be a great partnership.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 03, 2017, 02:46:26 PM
Thought rondon and Rodriguez looked very good together when jrod moved up front. That one two where rondon had his volley blocked was excellent. Could be a great partnership.

Much improved down the middle, but i always feel we play better as a side when we line up 4-3-3, we have done since the days of Yacob behind Mulumbu and Morrison, so it poses a conundrum.

As Jacko says, unless Rondon is injured, has to be a sub for me.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on December 03, 2017, 03:42:52 PM
I was excited by his arrival, pre-season he looked good but ive been far from impressed with him to date

Much better when played down the middle, perhaps the change in style will see him come good...I certainly hope so
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Sted1990 on December 03, 2017, 04:52:27 PM
Kanu would be in over him every day for me but what do I know...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 03, 2017, 04:54:46 PM
Kanu would be in over him every day for me but what do I know...

I'd prefer neither, personally
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on December 03, 2017, 04:57:24 PM
Kanu would be in over him every day for me but what do I know...

J-Rod is clearly the better player out of the two. He's just being wasted on the wing as he isn't a winger and certainly shouldn't be wasting half the game tracking back. HRK gets away with it as he has a good engine.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Sted1990 on December 03, 2017, 05:04:03 PM
J-Rod is clearly the better player out of the two. He's just being wasted on the wing as he isn't a winger and certainly shouldn't be wasting half the game tracking back. HRK gets away with it as he has a good engine.

Maybe the Jay Rod of 4/5 years ago  but since his injury he hasn't performed consistently in the premier league and is still riding the wave of his 1 good top flight season. I feel we carry more of a threat with Kanu on the pitch then Jay Rod.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on December 03, 2017, 05:19:08 PM
Maybe the Jay Rod of 4/5 years ago  but since his injury he hasn't performed consistently in the premier league and is still riding the wave of his 1 good top flight season. I feel we carry more of a threat with Kanu on the pitch then Jay Rod.

As Fritzl said, can't we have the option of neither?

JRod obviously has the ability to play in this league but we need pace on the wings whilst we're stuck with this defensive midfield three. Can't fault HRK's workrate, but he's poor when it comes to holding the ball up and bringing others into play, he's slow and can't beat a man, and his finishing is about what you'd expect for a Championship winger - which is what he is.

I feel JRod could float in off the left if he had Chadli in the middle and Phillips on the right to provide the pace and width. But other than that, he'd be back up striker because he's nowhere near Rondon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 03, 2017, 05:38:47 PM
Don't really matter what anyone on here thinks Pardew loves Rodriguez and he will be playing good, he also likes Evans, Yacob, Hegassi Rondon and Field!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2017, 05:43:14 PM
Pardew won't have any favourites yet. It's been 4 days. How anyone can attempt to draw any conclusions is baffling.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 03, 2017, 05:48:50 PM
I beg to differ, I heard him name those players in a post match interview along with Gibbs who I forgot to mention, so don't start with your games with me you might think you know it all but believe me you don't. Actually you don't really know a lot you just have an opinion and you are often wrong.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2017, 06:04:50 PM
He was complimenting those players. In his pre match press conference you'd have put your mortgage on Krychowiak coming into the side in place of Field.


He will assess the squad this week and next. With, for me, only Foster Evans and Rondon guaranteed starters.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2017, 06:15:51 PM
He was complimenting those players. In his pre match press conference you'd have put your mortgage on Krychowiak coming into the side in place of Field.


He will assess the squad this week and next. With, for me, only Foster Evans and Rondon guaranteed starters.

Why?
He hasn't played In a wining league team for us yet, you said Pulis was staying till the end of the season, you said that Greg would be back in , you probably said trump had no chance.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 03, 2017, 07:11:43 PM
Why?
He hasn't played In a wining league team for us yet, you said Pulis was staying till the end of the season, you said that Greg would be back in , you probably said trump had no chance.
I don't know why he comes on a forum mate, he only as his own opinions no one else's matter he never takes notice of or agrees with anyone, thinks he knows it all!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2017, 07:28:29 PM
Tee hee,
Pulis the divisive is no more !
Jacko fills the void !

to be honest, whilst some of what Jacko comes out with is, lets say controversial, he does talk sense occasionally.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 03, 2017, 08:10:52 PM
Why?
He hasn't played In a wining league team for us yet, you said Pulis was staying till the end of the season, you said that Greg would be back in , you probably said trump had no chance.

I'm going to guess Jacko means this part of his pre match presser...

"They're very, very different players; one with international and Champions League experience, one a youth team player coming through the ranks having just scored his first goal for the Football Club. I will look at them with that in mind as well as what they do on the training ground because you have to respect players who have achieved things and achieved certain standards.Going forward, I hope to get the best out of both of them. Where they are at the weekend? You'll have to wait and see."

I'm the first to call Jacko out when he posts nonsense, Pulis finishing ahead of Silva with us this season being the main one, but he would be right in this instance, and is right more often than not.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2017, 10:05:20 PM
I'm going to guess Jacko means this part of his pre match presser...

"They're very, very different players; one with international and Champions League experience, one a youth team player coming through the ranks having just scored his first goal for the Football Club. I will look at them with that in mind as well as what they do on the training ground because you have to respect players who have achieved things and achieved certain standards.Going forward, I hope to get the best out of both of them. Where they are at the weekend? You'll have to wait and see."

I'm the first to call Jacko out when he posts nonsense, Pulis finishing ahead of Silva with us this season being the main one, but he would be right in this instance, and is right more often than not.
TBF that bit from Pardew just states he respects where they are/previous experience, not that he has a preference..
I'm not the only one that constantly sees Jacko "I'm right" in every one of his posts, silva, Pulis definitely being here till end of season , you'd apparently put your mortgage on Greg coming straight back in...
It does get a bit tiresome, maybe him and legend might be in the Swansea club shop soon?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2017, 10:09:22 PM
Yawn Zippy, you live in a Football manager fantasy world, your only purpose on here is for our derision. As for 59, listen to the press conference, you rate Yacob so you can't be as clueless as you appear to be.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2017, 10:24:39 PM
Yawn Zippy, you live in a Football manager fantasy world, your only purpose on here is for our derision. As for 59, listen to the press conference, you rate Yacob so you can't be as clueless as you appear to be.
Edgbaston actually, please let me know who the "our" refers too....or are you once again self promoting your views as gospel?
Do you ever wonder what modesty would feel like?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on December 04, 2017, 06:04:34 AM
Right lads , a bit less digging at each other please , grown men and all that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 04, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
Right lads , a bit less digging at each other please , grown men and all that.


Sorry to Zippy and 59. No need for me to get personal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 04, 2017, 08:34:57 AM
All players should have a clean slate under Pardew except McClean in my opinion. Rodriguez will be fine for us. Takes more than one game to get your attacking intent and confidence back.

Laughable how far back Rodriguez was playing for us towards the end of Pulis term her.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 04, 2017, 08:37:59 AM
All players should have a clean slate under Pardew except McClean in my opinion. Rodriguez will be fine for us. Takes more than one game to get your attacking intent and confidence back.

Laughable how far back Rodriguez was playing for us towards the end of Pulis term her.

Why shouldn't Mcclean get a chance?

As far as I can recall this early in the morning, but him, Brunt and Phillips are our only wingers. We can't afford to freeze out 33% of them.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KYA on December 04, 2017, 08:50:10 AM
All players should have a clean slate under Pardew except McClean in my opinion. Rodriguez will be fine for us. Takes more than one game to get your attacking intent and confidence back.

Laughable how far back Rodriguez was playing for us towards the end of Pulis term her.

I agree with you again hampshire!!!, all players should start afresh in the eyes of the fans, lets see how they perform under a manager with different ideas.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on December 04, 2017, 08:30:04 PM
All players should have a clean slate under Pardew except McClean in my opinion. Rodriguez will be fine for us. Takes more than one game to get your attacking intent and confidence back.

Laughable how far back Rodriguez was playing for us towards the end of Pulis term her.

Bit harsh that
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 04, 2017, 08:46:40 PM
Sorry but McCleans cost us too many times this season. I’d get rid in Jan. I like the bloke but he isn’t suited to PL football.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 05, 2017, 08:07:17 AM
Sorry but McCleans cost us too many times this season. I’d get rid in Jan. I like the bloke but he isn’t suited to PL football.

He's cost us twice this season (Watford and Newcastle) our inability to defend set pieces has cost us more points.

Back to Jay Rondriguez, like everyone else in the squad he deserves his chance to prove himself to Pardew. I think he is lacking in confidence at the moment and needs to be played either alongside Rondon or just behind him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: adamw1109 on December 05, 2017, 12:02:42 PM
Sorry but McCleans cost us too many times this season. I’d get rid in Jan. I like the bloke but he isn’t suited to PL football.

Like you say, clean slate.

Your forgetting that under pulis, every players main job was to get back and defend.... McClean can't defend, similar to when he was expecting chadli to cover the full back.... He looked pathetic there.

Now we have a more balanced head in charge, we may see a difference in all the players including Rodriguez.... He hasn't looked like a premiership player for the majority of his short time at the club... but let's see how it pans out under a new person who he will have to impress to get into the squad.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on December 05, 2017, 05:07:07 PM
Id like to see him played as a striker not as a winger, its his natural position and frankly he was wasted on the wng.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 10, 2017, 12:16:06 PM
In my opinion we need to get Rodriguez up front and leading the line. Drop Rondon to the bench and bring him on if we are chasing the game.

With Rodriguez up front, get Brunt and Phillips (when hes back) on the wings, with Chadli in behind. Stop lumping balls up the pitch.

Get players up the pitch and in the box. Get Rodriguez the ball in the box and i think he'll score.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 10, 2017, 12:30:50 PM
In my opinion we need to get Rodriguez up front and leading the line. Drop Rondon to the bench and bring him on if we are chasing the game.

With Rodriguez up front, get Brunt and Phillips (when hes back) on the wings, with Chadli in behind. Stop lumping balls up the pitch.

Get players up the pitch and in the box. Get Rodriguez the ball in the box and i think he'll score.
I agree with you 100% as you say if he's in the box he will score that's where he should be, not out wide!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Legend on December 10, 2017, 12:44:50 PM
I agree with you 100% as you say if he's in the box he will score that's where he should be, not out wide!

He played out wide for Southampton. Let's just be honest he isn't very good and Southampton a team who struggled to score goals last season got rid when he was fourth choice.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 10, 2017, 12:58:45 PM
My Saints supporting mates (almost all of them) rate him highly, said he was unlucky not to play more last season. Hescored one game and wouldn't start the next.

They say he would absolute class before his injuries. Still think there is a good player in there.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on December 10, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
In my opinion we need to get Rodriguez up front and leading the line. Drop Rondon to the bench and bring him on if we are chasing the game.

With Rodriguez up front, get Brunt and Phillips (when hes back) on the wings, with Chadli in behind. Stop lumping balls up the pitch.

Get players up the pitch and in the box. Get Rodriguez the ball in the box and i think he'll score.
Thought against Bournemouth he was good in the role yet got bullied at Burnley the next week doing the same.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smosher34 on December 10, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
Played up front against Bouremouth 1st game and looked good .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 10, 2017, 01:19:08 PM
Thought against Bournemouth he was good in the role yet got bullied at Burnley the next week doing the same.

I think its only expected that he would be bullied in a Pulis system where he is expected to hold the ball up and wait 10 minutes for our midfield to get up to him.

If we are playing on the front foot under Pardew as we are expecting, then he shouldn't need to hold it up for as long, as he would hopefully receive it to feet before knocking it out wide quickly.

Any we shouldn't be playing so narrow if we are going to use wingers properly, play the ball out wide from defence or midfield.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on December 10, 2017, 01:36:39 PM
I am far from convinced by Rodriguez but I do agree he needs to played through the middle and if we do there we need to pass the ball to feet in and around the box and get up and support him in decent numbers.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Sted1990 on December 12, 2017, 02:08:16 PM
HRK getting alot of stick even though Jay Rod cost 12 million and has been even worse. Time to step up and save your PL career..
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: darbolina on December 12, 2017, 03:30:17 PM
After the promise of the first few games, he's gone badly off the boil. His problem is it's not clear whether he's a winger, no.10, centre forward or what?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2017, 04:12:36 PM
After the promise of the first few games, he's gone badly off the boil. His problem is it's not clear whether he's a winger, no.10, centre forward or what?


He's a centre forward, but he's been crippled by injury, sadly he's just not good enough/sharp enough in any of the positions you've mentioned. He doesn't have an outstanding attribute, he's not got real pace, isn't strong, not a technical player (the song we sing about him doesn't remotely scan for example), poor in the air and not a clinical finisher. He's an all rounder that would suit a Championship team where you get 7 - 10 good chances a game.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on December 12, 2017, 04:22:57 PM
After the promise of the first few games, he's gone badly off the boil. His problem is it's not clear whether he's a winger, no.10, centre forward or what?
Needs to play up top for me, not on the wing.
We desperately need someone in the middle of the park who can show a bit of composure on the ball and pick a pass. Of all our midfielders none fit the bill other than maybe Barry, but he is very leggy. Until we address this issue, whoever's up top will struggle.
Our best option at the moment is getting proper wingers on so has to be Brunt, Phillips or Burke, all the others are too predictable and lack quality.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 12, 2017, 10:49:57 PM

He's a centre forward, but he's been crippled by injury, sadly he's just not good enough/sharp enough in any of the positions you've mentioned. He doesn't have an outstanding attribute, he's not got real pace, isn't strong, not a technical player (the song we sing about him doesn't remotely scan for example), poor in the air and not a clinical finisher. He's an all rounder that would suit a Championship team where you get 7 - 10 good chances a game.
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:

Rodriguez (Southampton) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIhMpdNtrU)
Rodriguez (Burnley) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbY02HJLDU)

I appreciate that he's had a very bad injury since the above took place, but to me the goals in the videos suggest that he's at his most effective when running on to through balls. I imagine he's barely had a through ball played to him all season, but AP will inevitably look to play to Rodriguez's strengths and start trying to get him onto the end of some through balls. If that happens and he keeps missing, criticise him by all means, but we've got a player here who scored 17 goals in 39 games in the Premier League in 2013-14, so to infer he's no better than Championship standard isn't justified really.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on December 13, 2017, 12:47:59 AM
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:

Rodriguez (Southampton) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIhMpdNtrU)
Rodriguez (Burnley) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbY02HJLDU)

I appreciate that he's had a very bad injury since the above took place, but to me the goals in the videos suggest that he's at his most effective when running on to through balls. I imagine he's barely had a through ball played to him all season, but AP will inevitably look to play to Rodriguez's strengths and start trying to get him onto the end of some through balls. If that happens and he keeps missing, criticise him by all means, but we've got a player here who scored 17 goals in 39 games in the Premier League in 2013-14, so to infer he's no better than Championship standard isn't justified really.

go look at some of Rondon's best play at the club, this will shock you really: they come when he's played through or facing the goal.

Pulis was a plague. I can't fault AP if it's going to take him a while to get this sorted out.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: darbolina on December 13, 2017, 01:54:11 PM
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:

Rodriguez (Southampton) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIhMpdNtrU)
Rodriguez (Burnley) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbY02HJLDU)

I appreciate that he's had a very bad injury since the above took place, but to me the goals in the videos suggest that he's at his most effective when running on to through balls. I imagine he's barely had a through ball played to him all season, but AP will inevitably look to play to Rodriguez's strengths and start trying to get him onto the end of some through balls. If that happens and he keeps missing, criticise him by all means, but we've got a player here who scored 17 goals in 39 games in the Premier League in 2013-14, so to infer he's no better than Championship standard isn't justified really.

At Burnley he was playing a league below and at Saints he had some very good creative, pacey players around him (Lalana and yes Lambert at the top of his game holding up play well for example). He can finish for sure but his best football was four years ago. I'd like to see what he can do if/ when we play more on the front foot now but he needs to find some form or else I can see him dropping down into the championship - maybe with us!?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 13, 2017, 03:33:22 PM
Have two Southampton fan friends down here and they both had the same thoughts when we signed him

'Hes ok but he's not worth the money you paid for him'

In hindsight I wish we had used the combined money we spent on J-Rod + Burke (So like around £25 mill) and gone out and signed a marque number 9
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on December 13, 2017, 06:33:13 PM
Have two Southampton fan friends down here and they both had the same thoughts when we signed him

'Hes ok but he's not worth the money you paid for him'

In hindsight I wish we had used the combined money we spent on J-Rod + Burke (So like around £25 mill) and gone out and signed a marque number 9
Hear what your saying but £25 might get you Troy Deeney, a truly marquee cf will be nearer £40m, unless we turn up a foreign gem
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2017, 12:25:38 AM
Again tonight showed why he's neither clinical... nor a defensive (or indeed any type of) winger.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on December 14, 2017, 07:55:09 PM
There are quite a few clinical finishes and headers in the compilation clips below:

Rodriguez (Southampton) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcIhMpdNtrU)
Rodriguez (Burnley) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mbY02HJLDU)

I appreciate that he's had a very bad injury since the above took place, but to me the goals in the videos suggest that he's at his most effective when running on to through balls. I imagine he's barely had a through ball played to him all season, but AP will inevitably look to play to Rodriguez's strengths and start trying to get him onto the end of some through balls. If that happens and he keeps missing, criticise him by all means, but we've got a player here who scored 17 goals in 39 games in the Premier League in 2013-14, so to infer he's no better than Championship standard isn't justified really.

Anyone can look good on a highlight reel though. What those don't show is the 89 minutes where the player did nothing. If he then doesn't score in that other minute, we're all left questioning him as we are now.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiebof on December 15, 2017, 02:20:30 PM
Interestingly today Pardew has described Rodriguez as a "no.10 at this football club" in his pre-match press conference. we were told prior to Pardew's arrival that he likes to play a 4-2-3-1 with a no.10 that gets close to and goes beyond the striker so maybe Rodriguez will be that man. it does beg the question however why we haven't yet setup in a formation with a no.10 (although you could argue the second half 442 against Palace was this with Rodriguez just off of Rondon) and also where he sees Chadli playing.



 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on December 15, 2017, 03:41:52 PM
Can't say I agree, a #10 should a shiftier player with more vision and creativity. J is a striker.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on December 17, 2017, 04:28:29 PM
sad to say bloke isnt good enough missed another chance inside the box today.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on December 17, 2017, 04:31:18 PM
One of few negatives so far under Pardew for me , sadly just doesn't look up to it . Hope we see something soon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on December 17, 2017, 04:40:48 PM
I said on here at the time, why are we taking a Southampton cast-off? Because he's not foreign and he works 'aard. Not sure where he fits in tbh, thought he'd be decent back-up to Rondon but he's missing decent chances every game.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on December 17, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
I have a mate who is a Southampton fan who swears Rodriguez is quality in the number ten role.

Perhaps he's not fully recovered from his injury problems or perhaps it's a lack of confidence but I wouldn't give up on him just yet.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Lloydy on December 27, 2017, 11:01:49 AM
Can anyone tell me why we spent £12m on this guy?

Reminds me of Markus Rosenberg every passing week.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 13, 2018, 05:50:59 PM
Reported to the FA, no confirmation of racism but hard to see anything else Bong would have cause to report.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 13, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
Would be surprised to see the son of somebody who emigrated here use racial slurs tbh
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: section5 on January 13, 2018, 05:55:14 PM
It looked like he told him his breath stunk from the replay I saw haha
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on January 13, 2018, 06:07:48 PM
Yeah pinched his nose and wafted as if he stank. Pointing out poor personal hygiene can't be racist even in 2018 can it?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2018, 07:45:52 PM
Their right back didn't help running the length of the pitch to get in the referee's face
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 13, 2018, 07:49:57 PM
Their right back didn't help running the length of the pitch to get in the referee's face
I think Bruno actually went over as mediator/ translator. Certainly didn’t look like he went over for anything nasty.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on January 13, 2018, 07:52:23 PM
Could have been saying his performance stank. This kind of thing happens all over the pitch, can't go crying to the ref over ever little thing said.

It's interesting that racism is the first thing everyone thinks of when it comes to accusations. You can't tell me that racism is more present now than it was years ago. You don't get people throwing bananas at players, you don't hear racist chants. So if anything, surely there's less than before?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 13, 2018, 07:55:41 PM
Could have been saying his performance stank. This kind of thing happens all over the pitch, can't go crying to the ref over ever little thing said.

It's interesting that racism is the first thing everyone thinks of when it comes to accusations. You can't tell me that racism is more present now than it was years ago. You don't get people throwing bananas at players, you don't hear racist chants. So if anything, surely there's less than before?


Complaint made by black player about white player. That's why racism is assumed. Also there isn't much else that warrants a complaint to the authorities.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on January 13, 2018, 07:57:55 PM
Watched on tv and he quite obviously said to Bong his breath stinks after Bong got in his face, as for Bruno getting involved, the red called him over as he’s brighton’s Captain
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2018, 08:00:43 PM
Watched on tv and he quite obviously said to Bong his breath stinks after Bong got in his face, as for Bruno getting involved, the red called him over as he’s brighton’s Captain

Fair enough, at the game it looked as though he decided to run the length of the pitch to join the other 2 Brighton players in the ref's face.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on January 13, 2018, 08:03:58 PM

Complaint made by black player about white player. That's why racism is assumed. Also there isn't much else that warrants a complaint to the authorities.

My first thought was racism, wasn't having a dig. Was just saying that's how much we get bombarded with it in the media. It's as though it happens all day every day in every situation. I used to work in a school with over a thousand kids, and I only ever heard a few stories about racism (didn't even hear any myself) but the way the school went on it was as though everyone was at it in every lesson.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: sconesy on January 13, 2018, 08:56:48 PM
It’s sad this story has taken a tiny bit of shine off this tremendous result for us. Putting ALL obvious bias aside, this apparent incident should obviously be left as ‘innocent until proven guilty’. There’s more than enough cameras and microphones all over the ground to evaluate the accusations - either with clear audio or indisputable ‘lip-sync’ proof....anything else is pure playground talk. Nobody should tolerate racism, whether or not it’s class or skin colour based....but unfortunately we currently live in a world where we automatically have to think the very worst. It’s a sad disease and society needs to ‘man-up’. Back to footie......well done lads but we really need additions to improve quality/competition and to ensure standards are raised throughout the squad. I try to remain positive however I do feel we’ll be let down by (what I believe to be) an inept recruitment team.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on January 13, 2018, 09:24:17 PM
There was an altercation and words exchanged. J-Rod was holding his nose and implying Bong stank. Bong then got very upset and was running to ref complaining vermontly, clearly accusing J-Rod of racism. The ref called Bruno over to tell Bong to calm down. He then went to the fourth official and updated him on what was alleged to have been said and it was written down and shared with both benches. You could clearly make out Bong saying to the ref "I swear he said it" over and over. He calmed down once the ref explained he would be including it in his report. J-Rod looked bemused throughout. It's going to come down to two versions of events. Most likely Bong overreacted to an insult, or misheard. The FA will take is seriously as the allegations are toxic but I don't see any evidence to condemn or punish J-Rod.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on January 13, 2018, 09:26:06 PM
It looked like he told him his breath stunk from the replay I saw haha

Fair enough IMO.
If somebody's breath stinks it stinks  :P
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 13, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
Fair enough IMO.
If somebody's breath stinks it stinks  :P


God I remember the last snog I had, it's bringing back memories all this
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: botters on January 13, 2018, 10:18:46 PM

God I remember the last snog I had, it's bringing back memories all this

But don’t tell the wife lol 😂
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Pie on January 13, 2018, 10:33:22 PM
James Nursey from the Mirror was at the game and gave a report with player ratings.

Incredibly he has given Rodriguez the man of the match?! not sure he was watching the same game as the rest of us...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/west-brom-2-0-brighton-11840984
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on January 13, 2018, 10:48:45 PM
James Nursey from the Mirror was at the game and gave a report with player ratings.

Incredibly he has given Rodriguez the man of the match?! not sure he was watching the same game as the rest of us...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/west-brom-2-0-brighton-11840984

He wouldn't be my choice for MOM (thought Dawson was our best player by far) but his superb flick-on at the near post for the first goal should not be overlooked.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Pie on January 13, 2018, 10:55:41 PM
Not at all, great flick on. however thought he was poor in possession quite a few times.

IMO he is having to play the no. 10 role due to injuries but he would be better on the shoulder of last defender.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: andibaggy on January 13, 2018, 11:12:13 PM
‘Your breath stinks’

Shouldn’t take long for the FA to resolve this one.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 13, 2018, 11:14:16 PM
There is no place for racism, however if the lipsync experts conclude Rodriguez did not say anything racist, then Bong deserves a spectacular suspension and fine...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2018, 11:15:12 PM
Watching it back on match of the day, J-Rod was clearly referring to the guy's breath after he got right in his face. Their bloke then says 'you're a racist' over and over and moans to the ref, who makes it clear that he's reported it with the 4th official.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on January 13, 2018, 11:19:35 PM
It looked a lot like "he's a f***ing racist" from Bong to the ref. If there wasn't any racism he deserves a fine or something. Didn't look like Jrod said anything, more just the smelly gesture.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2018, 11:21:41 PM
It looked a lot like "he's a f***ing racist" from Bong to the ref. If there wasn't any racism he deserves a fine or something. Didn't look like Jrod said anything, more just the smelly gesture.

Yeah it didn't even look like JRod said anything. Just made the smelly gesture and the bloke went off on one shouting racist to the ref. You can see the shock on JRod's face when he hears him say it
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kie the baggie on January 13, 2018, 11:24:31 PM
What happens when he is proved to be innocent, does bong get to just get in with things?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KingKoren on January 13, 2018, 11:26:39 PM
I think JRod's reaction said it all. He looked absolutely stunned when he was accused of being racist.

Don't particularly rate JRod but I hope they clear him soon so he can focus on the football.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KingKoren on January 13, 2018, 11:29:06 PM
What happens when he is proved to be innocent, does bong get to just get in with things?

You'd hope he'd get a lot of abuse from the terraces at least

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2018, 11:36:45 PM
Must have had bong breath
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 13, 2018, 11:39:50 PM
The problem is bong is from the Cameroon and from what Trump said in the week about Africa countries being s***eholes it was a silly gesture to make.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 13, 2018, 11:45:33 PM
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Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KingKoren on January 13, 2018, 11:45:57 PM
The problem is bong is from the Cameroon and from what Trump said in the week about Africa countries being s***eholes it was a silly gesture to make.

Yeah he should have paused, took a moment; reflected about the current climate of racism in the world and stopped himself doing a gesture that has nothing to do with race anyway  ???
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 13, 2018, 11:50:55 PM
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This won't just go away no matter how many people say what they 'think' Rodriguez said.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 14, 2018, 12:08:09 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5266519/Black-players-trial-just-speaking-out.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5266519/Black-players-trial-just-speaking-out.html)


Not a massive fan of Olly Holt and obviously went to press before he could see the social media aftermath of the Rodriguez incident, which has unfortunately been similar, with the person making the allegation being further abused.


Well worth a read.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on January 14, 2018, 12:30:19 AM
There was an altercation and words exchanged. J-Rod was holding his nose and implying Bong stank. Bong then got very upset and was running to ref complaining vermontly, clearly accusing J-Rod of racism. The ref called Bruno over to tell Bong to calm down. He then went to the fourth official and updated him on what was alleged to have been said and it was written down and shared with both benches. You could clearly make out Bong saying to the ref "I swear he said it" over and over. He calmed down once the ref explained he would be including it in his report. J-Rod looked bemused throughout. It's going to come down to two versions of events. Most likely Bong overreacted to an insult, or misheard. The FA will take is seriously as the allegations are toxic but I don't see any evidence to condemn or punish J-Rod.

I'd love to know what you base this on?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on January 14, 2018, 12:34:28 AM
There is absolutely no way JRod said anything that was anything other than just winding him uo. Storm in a tea cup, and accusing players of saying the wrong thing is the evolution of diving in my opinion. Anything goes if it can con the ref.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 14, 2018, 01:51:18 AM
I'd love to know what you base this on?

You could see on the video that he was saying to the ref 'he's racist' or similar
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 14, 2018, 09:03:34 AM
Reported in the papers that he has accused him of racism and the  matter has been referred to the FA. Quote from both managers confirming it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on January 14, 2018, 09:21:36 AM
I'd love to know what you base this on?
You could clearly see him say to the ref he's racist, and Rodriguez replying I'm not racist. I honesty don't think there was anything in it despite what some people think/ hope it was just in my opinion don't come to close you stink.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on January 14, 2018, 09:28:02 AM
It's the culture we're in now. "You smell" - "HE'S A F*CKING RACIST!"

Now i'm quite left wing, somewhat liberal type, the type that get accused of being too PC which leads to this kind of thing but for Bong to jump to that reaction is preposterous. If Jay is found to not be guilty of anything then this is incredibly slanderous and could very well go down that route in the long term.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Smooth Lad on January 14, 2018, 09:32:33 AM
The problem is bong is from the Cameroon and from what Trump said in the week about Africa countries being s***eholes it was a silly gesture to make.

Don't be so stupid. Do we have to check every news article in recent weeks before we say something nowadays? I doubt JRod has even heard Trumps comments.

If he was saying he stank or his breath stank then that's fine. There is nothing racist about it. Only those making some link between his country of origin and his lack of hygiene are making it racist. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boot2006 on January 14, 2018, 10:55:57 AM
If Rodriguez is proved to have used racist language then he should be dealt with severely without question.  Same goes for Bong, if it is proven that he has lied to try to get Rodriguez sent off then he should be dealt with just as severely.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on January 14, 2018, 11:00:01 AM
You could clearly see him say to the ref he's racist, and Rodriguez replying I'm not racist. I honesty don't think there was anything in it despite what some people think/ hope it was just in my opinion don't come to close you stink.

Yep - you're right - seen the footage now. I don't think there is anything in it. Might just be a misunderstanding on both sides.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KingKoren on January 14, 2018, 11:27:10 AM

James McClean on Twitter

When ever a person holds their nose and waves their hand over their mouth that always indicated that your breath stinks, for as long as iv known anyways, to suggest otherwise and put a mans reputation at risk is poor, given the man is one of the nicest blokes you could meet too


Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggies_24 on January 14, 2018, 11:41:56 AM
Tough one for the f.a if it comes out that no racist words were said. Whilst they don't want to be seen as discouraging players from reporting racist behaviour they also can't have players falsely accusing other players of racist behaviour when that's not the case. I think if he's cleared the'l put it down to a misunderstanding between the two however as McClean says Jay's reputation will now be damaged whether he's cleared or not and that's extremely wrong if he's cleared.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on January 14, 2018, 12:47:01 PM
The best way out of this is for Bong to say he over-reacted in the heat of the moment and apologise, but I can't see that happening. Perhaps someone, like his manager  or a chum, should have a quiet word in Bong's ear-standing behind him, obviously- and suggest this to him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BoingFlyer on January 14, 2018, 12:47:59 PM
My first thought when I saw Bong's name was that's unfortunate as it sounds like Pong.

In the same way I always giggle at the surname Bates.

Not racist just a childish sense of humour.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 14, 2018, 01:46:56 PM
The problem is bong is from the Cameroon and from what Trump said in the week about Africa countries being s***eholes it was a silly gesture to make.
This is totally ridiculous and posts like this feed the idiots that want to make something of nothing

If his breath stinks it has balls all to do with where his ancestors came from, the colour of his skin or his bloody religion..

The world needs to grow up
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on January 14, 2018, 08:08:32 PM
Chris Kamara on Goals on Sunday said 'we are not able to discuss the case but will say I know Jay and I'd say don't jump to any conclusions on this' - that's probably as strong as Kamara is allowed to be on live TV. Doesn't mean Jay is innocent of course but suggests it would be very out of character if he is guilty.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 14, 2018, 09:46:14 PM
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/bong-accuses-rodriguez-of-saying-youre-black-and-you-stink-598fxr6nm

Gaëtan Bong is alleging that he was racially abused by Jay Rodriguez with the words “you’re black and you stink” during his Brighton & Hove Albion side’s 2-0 defeat by West Bromwich Albion yesterday. The FA confirmed today that it has opened an investigation into Bong’s allegations, which were immediately relayed to Martin Atkinson, the referee, and are vehemently denied by Rodriguez.

Bong reacted angrily and immediately complained to Atkinson after a 56th-minute clash with Rodriguez, during which the former Southampton striker pinched his own nose. The referee spoke to both players before passing on details of the allegations to the fourth official, Tony Harrington. Rodriguez is believed to have denied saying anything of a racist nature at the time and repeated his stance when questioned again after the game at the Hawthorns. The 28-year-old’s version of events is understood to be that he used the words “your breath stinks” to Bong as he pinched his nose.

Bong is standing by his allegations however, which will now be investigated by the FA. The Cameroon international is regarded as one of the quietest and calmest players in Chris Hughton’s side so there was considerable shock among his team-mates at the anger of his response to the Rodriguez incident, and the club are convinced that he believed he heard what he has alleged.

Bong remained upset and bewildered by the incident on the journey back to Brighton yesterday and expressed his anger on Twitter without giving any further details. “Some words should not be said on a football field and specially not by players,” the 29-year-old tweeted. “Rodriguez words are unforgiveable for the man I am.”

West Brom are supporting Rodriguez, with Alan Pardew saying that he would be “surprised if it is anything” after the game, but are co-operating with the FA’s inquiries. Both clubs are happy with the way the flare-up was handled by Atkinson, who after speaking to both players took no action on the field but included the incident in his referee’s report.

Atkinson also spoke to Hughton, Pardew and Bong in his changing room after the game before completing his report. The clash took place near the corner flag with no one else in the immediate vicinity so verifying exactly what was said is likely to prove difficult.

The FA spoke to both clubs yesterday and before confirming it has opened an investigation. The governing body’s disciplinary department is already looking into claims that Roberto Firmino racially abused Mason Holgate during Liverpool’s FA Cup win over Everton nine days ago.

“The FA can confirm that referee Martin Atkinson was made aware of an allegation during the West Bromwich Albion versus Brighton & Hove Albion game at The Hawthorns yesterday and has subsequently reported this to the FA, which will now begin making enquiries into the matter,” the FA statement read.

The video of the interview if anyone is interested: https://twitter.com/SFR_Sport/status/952653555034460162
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 14, 2018, 09:52:20 PM
Further evidence that football has gone SOFT...!?!

If someone is right in your face then you are likely to retaliate?

“you’re black, you stink” as has been reported can be seen as insulting, racist or factual - just depends on your agenda?

This is sport played by grown men - time to grow up...?!?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 14, 2018, 09:56:31 PM
"The words he said to me are unrepeatable because I am making it all up and I don't want to be found out as a liar."

is my take.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on January 14, 2018, 10:13:49 PM
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/bong-accuses-rodriguez-of-saying-youre-black-and-you-stink-598fxr6nm

Gaëtan Bong is alleging that he was racially abused by Jay Rodriguez with the words “you’re black and you stink” during his Brighton & Hove Albion side’s 2-0 defeat by West Bromwich Albion yesterday. The FA confirmed today that it has opened an investigation into Bong’s allegations, which were immediately relayed to Martin Atkinson, the referee, and are vehemently denied by Rodriguez.

Bong reacted angrily and immediately complained to Atkinson after a 56th-minute clash with Rodriguez, during which the former Southampton striker pinched his own nose. The referee spoke to both players before passing on details of the allegations to the fourth official, Tony Harrington. Rodriguez is believed to have denied saying anything of a racist nature at the time and repeated his stance when questioned again after the game at the Hawthorns. The 28-year-old’s version of events is understood to be that he used the words “your breath stinks” to Bong as he pinched his nose.

Bong is standing by his allegations however, which will now be investigated by the FA. The Cameroon international is regarded as one of the quietest and calmest players in Chris Hughton’s side so there was considerable shock among his team-mates at the anger of his response to the Rodriguez incident, and the club are convinced that he believed he heard what he has alleged.

Bong remained upset and bewildered by the incident on the journey back to Brighton yesterday and expressed his anger on Twitter without giving any further details. “Some words should not be said on a football field and specially not by players,” the 29-year-old tweeted. “Rodriguez words are unforgiveable for the man I am.”

West Brom are supporting Rodriguez, with Alan Pardew saying that he would be “surprised if it is anything” after the game, but are co-operating with the FA’s inquiries. Both clubs are happy with the way the flare-up was handled by Atkinson, who after speaking to both players took no action on the field but included the incident in his referee’s report.

Atkinson also spoke to Hughton, Pardew and Bong in his changing room after the game before completing his report. The clash took place near the corner flag with no one else in the immediate vicinity so verifying exactly what was said is likely to prove difficult.

The FA spoke to both clubs yesterday and before confirming it has opened an investigation. The governing body’s disciplinary department is already looking into claims that Roberto Firmino racially abused Mason Holgate during Liverpool’s FA Cup win over Everton nine days ago.

“The FA can confirm that referee Martin Atkinson was made aware of an allegation during the West Bromwich Albion versus Brighton & Hove Albion game at The Hawthorns yesterday and has subsequently reported this to the FA, which will now begin making enquiries into the matter,” the FA statement read.

The video of the interview if anyone is interested: https://twitter.com/SFR_Sport/status/952653555034460162
what he's tweeted doesn't make sense! big difference accusing Rodriguez saying you stink because your black, and him saying he made the gesture because I'm black. One implies the colour of skin was mentioned the others just paranoia.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 14, 2018, 10:22:56 PM
what he's tweeted doesn't make sense! big difference accusing Rodriguez saying you stink because your black, and him saying he made the gesture because I'm black. One implies the colour of skin was mentioned the others just paranoia.
Exactly
Bong said "he made that gesture because of the colour of my skin"
This suggests that the colour of his skin wasn't mentioned
Going further , is bong actually suggesting that if you say someone has bad breath that that is fascism ?
If/when this is thrown out , Bong should receive a very long ban, because of this idiot many that are actually being victimised will feel they cannot speak out.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 15, 2018, 12:16:18 PM
I personally think Bong is lying. I think he tried to get J-Rod sent off and when it didn't work felt like he had to follow through with the lie. J-Rod clearly gestured that Bong had stink breath but I didn't see anything on the TV images that showed him mouthing anything like what he has been accused of.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on January 15, 2018, 12:22:30 PM
Sounds like a case of 'I want to be victim'
Good job the English and Aussie cricketers aren't as sensitive as these mites, and what they say to each other is heard on the microphones.
Chin up Jay.
Blimey is that racist?   :o
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DaveWBA on January 15, 2018, 12:29:00 PM
I personally think Bong is lying. I think he tried to get J-Rod sent off and when it didn't work felt like he had to follow through with the lie. J-Rod clearly gestured that Bong had stink breath but I didn't see anything on the TV images that showed him mouthing anything like what he has been accused of.

The allegation is that Rodriguez has told Bong that "you're black and you stink"

I think it's indisputable that in someway JR has told him that he smells, be it breath or otherwise and unless there is a camera angle so you can lip read Rodriguez then it will be very hard to prove.

Hopefully this is a simple case of misinterpretation as those getting on their high horses from both sides are doing it absolutely no favours. The bad breath insult is playground stuff but it has been done before in the PL and nothing has been made of it. Also, it is worth bearing in mind that there is no prior evidence to suggest Bong would make up such an allegation. I'm sure he will be aware of the detrimental impacts a false accusation would have on those who have been the victims of genuine racist abuse.

I'm not sure Bong going on French tele or McClean coming out with character references on Twitter is going to help either party whilst the investigation is still ongoing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionsteve on January 15, 2018, 12:29:37 PM
On the day of Cyrille's passing, it's a very sad indictment of modern football, that a racism accusation to try and get someone sent off would be unpunished if no evidence is found.  Compare that to what the 3 degrees went through!
 
If Jay Rodriguez is found guilty of actually saying what he accused of saying, he should be banned and his contract terminated. However, all of the available footage shows nothing of that, only the "breath stinks" and gesture, in which case the Brighton player should be sanctioned accordingly.  Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.

Bong also runs the risk, as mentioned by others, of stopping those who are being abused from coming forward.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 15, 2018, 12:41:51 PM
On the day of Cyrille's passing, it's a very sad indictment of modern football, that a racism accusation to try and get someone sent off would be unpunished if no evidence is found.  Compare that to what the 3 degrees went through!
 
If Jay Rodriguez is found guilty of actually saying what he accused of saying, he should be banned and his contract terminated. However, all of the available footage shows nothing of that, only the "breath stinks" and gesture, in which case the Brighton player should be sanctioned accordingly.  Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.

Bong also runs the risk, as mentioned by others, of stopping those who are being abused from coming forward.

I completely agree with you Steve. This just seems really fishy to me, Bong's body language after the incident just didn't look right to me. I think J-Rod really got to him with the stink breath gesture and this was an ill conceived retaliation.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 15, 2018, 12:45:54 PM
On the day of Cyrille's passing, it's a very sad indictment of modern football, that a racism accusation to try and get someone sent off would be unpunished if no evidence is found.  Compare that to what the 3 degrees went through!
 
If Jay Rodriguez is found guilty of actually saying what he accused of saying, he should be banned and his contract terminated. However, all of the available footage shows nothing of that, only the "breath stinks" and gesture, in which case the Brighton player should be sanctioned accordingly.  Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.

Bong also runs the risk, as mentioned by others, of stopping those who are being abused from coming forward.

I couldn't agree more. I personally hope it was just something completely lost in translation and that Bong was simply mistaken. The way he has gone on about it on twitter and now on a tv interview he could potentially be leaving himself open to legal action from Rodriguez for defamation of character.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on January 15, 2018, 01:07:36 PM
On the day of Cyrille's passing, it's a very sad indictment of modern football, that a racism accusation to try and get someone sent off would be unpunished if no evidence is found.  Compare that to what the 3 degrees went through!
 
If Jay Rodriguez is found guilty of actually saying what he accused of saying, he should be banned and his contract terminated. However, all of the available footage shows nothing of that, only the "breath stinks" and gesture, in which case the Brighton player should be sanctioned accordingly.  Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.

Bong also runs the risk, as mentioned by others, of stopping those who are being abused from coming forward.

Sorry to disagree, "Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.

Its very different, If Jay is found guilty of diving its forgotten in 2 weeks, find him guilty of being a racist and he is tarred for life, you are above suggesting terminating his contract (if found guilty) for example.
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Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionsteve on January 15, 2018, 01:32:24 PM
Sorry to disagree, "Trying to get someone sent off by this method, is no different to diving for a penalty.

Its very different, If Jay is found guilty of diving its forgotten in 2 weeks, find him guilty of being a racist and he is tarred for life, you are above suggesting terminating his contract (if found guilty) for example.
"

You misunderstand me. I mean from Bong's point of view.  I believe Bong has cheated in an attempt to get a player sent off. I mean that is a similar offence to if Bong had dived and got  penalty which was later shown to be a dive and he would then receive a ban for deceiving the referee.

I utterly agree that the consequences for Jay Rodriguez could be vastly more than for diving and in truth, if anyone is guilty of the type of racism he is accused of, they should be massively penalised. But only WHEN they are PROVEN guilty.

My mistake if I didn't make that clear in my original post.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 15, 2018, 03:12:27 PM
Bong at fault for their second goal and involved in an altercation with Jay Rod through on goal and nobody is looking at his performance on the basis of his statement.
Something stinks and it may not just be Bong's breathe.

https://southamptonfc.com/news/2016-03-11/rodriguez-attends-show-racism-the-red-card-event
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smosher34 on January 15, 2018, 05:12:46 PM
I want to see the FA chuck the book at Bong if Jay is cleared . No way can i see any modern day footballer saying black this or black that because the stink it will kick up .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 15, 2018, 05:35:51 PM
If he has said "your black and you stink" id hope he never turns out in the blue and white stripes again.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on January 15, 2018, 07:08:52 PM
If he has said "your black and you stink" id hope he never turns out in the blue and white stripes again.
No evidence to suggest he did at all. And you are bang out of order mentioning this on the Cyrille Regis thread as well.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on January 15, 2018, 07:55:40 PM
If he has said "your black and you stink" id hope he never turns out in the blue and white stripes again.

He didn’t ffs.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on January 15, 2018, 08:11:45 PM
No evidence to suggest he did at all. And you are bang out of order mentioning this on the Cyrille Regis thread as well.

amd whys that?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on January 15, 2018, 08:56:28 PM
Looks to me like pretty clear footage on the telly of Rodriguez not really saying anything much just making the bad breath gesture when Bong gets in his face.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: adamw1109 on January 15, 2018, 09:02:04 PM
If he has said "your black and you stink" id hope he never turns out in the blue and white stripes again.

What makes you think in the slightest he said such thing?

You obviously didn't see the incident or you would have seen him do an hand gesture, nothing more, nothing less, no words, no swearing.

It's just a false accusation made by a complete bell*nd, with made up theories and stories of the situation by even bigger bell*nds.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KYA on January 15, 2018, 09:09:01 PM
If there is nothing caught on camera why is this even being investigated, one blokes word against anothers.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jimmy on January 15, 2018, 09:09:55 PM
Bong is now saying he made a reference to his skin colour, http://www.the42.ie/gaetan-bong-3799130-Jan2018/ (http://www.the42.ie/gaetan-bong-3799130-Jan2018/)

Clearly he hasnt got a straight story and any copper worth their salt would see that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on January 15, 2018, 09:14:42 PM
amd whys that?
Because my Friend and our great striker as passed and there was no need for your comment about the club and rasism keep it to this thread if you must.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 15, 2018, 09:35:49 PM
Because my Friend and our great striker as passed and there was no need for your comment about the club and rasism keep it to this thread if you must.


Totally agree I asked for a post to be removed earlier. Heard your call to WM, heartfelt and raw emotion. Did him justice.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on January 16, 2018, 07:19:12 AM

Totally agree I asked for a post to be removed earlier. Heard your call to WM, heartfelt and raw emotion. Did him justice.
Thanks Jacko appreciated
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on January 16, 2018, 09:14:00 AM
I'd love to hear it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on January 16, 2018, 10:56:53 AM
very early this morning sky were showing the incident, Rodriguez does look like he says something before your breath stinks. what he says i guess only the 2 players know for sure.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Avonbaggie on January 20, 2018, 12:38:04 PM
Anyone know the latest on this one? Appears to have all gone quiet in the last few days..
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scruffy Stan on January 20, 2018, 01:35:49 PM
Talking to FA officials on Monday about it, according to the Telegraph.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on January 20, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
Anyone know the latest on this one? Appears to have all gone quiet in the last few days..
heard nothing about the incident from the Merseyside derby, that happened well before the Rodriguez one.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on January 20, 2018, 04:59:37 PM
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.

Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.

Very proud.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 20, 2018, 05:02:15 PM
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.

Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.

Very proud.


He also had his best game today since August. Well played Jay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on January 20, 2018, 05:02:59 PM
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.

Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.

Very proud.

Totally agree fella. He has been though a bad injury himself so knew that support was required
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on January 20, 2018, 06:03:08 PM

He also had his best game today since August. Well played Jay.

And calm and clinical in front of goal to put away his chance.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on January 20, 2018, 06:48:43 PM
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.

Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.

Very proud.

Noticed this as well, thought also he may have had thoughts about his own long term injury as well
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 21, 2018, 08:56:47 AM
Huge credit today to Jay for staying with McCarthy for the first few minutes after the injury and comforting him by holding his hand. Its easy to walk away from it as most players did, but he stayed.

Huge respect Jay. A credit to our club.
Absolutely correct - the reactions of both him and Rondon, although completely different, were both a credit to them and to the club. Fingers crossed that McCarthy can recover from this injury. It was a very brave challenge and he deserves to come back from it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on January 27, 2018, 08:50:45 PM
Scored two goals already and its only half time. The first goal was an absolute mother. Well done Jay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on January 27, 2018, 08:56:17 PM
As I said in the game thread he's really coming into his own at the min

you can literally see the confidence in his play
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on January 27, 2018, 09:49:20 PM
Two chances and two goals. Clinical, best performance of the season up front. Superb.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on January 27, 2018, 09:49:35 PM
He's had horrendous injury problems. Sometimes it takes quite a run of games to get your match sharpness back. He's looking a real player at last as is Greg to needed time to settle in England.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on January 27, 2018, 09:50:30 PM
Looking like the player who was sniffing around the England squad.

Get in Jay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 27, 2018, 09:51:26 PM
Super Rod...Ermm.... Dyno Rod  :D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on January 27, 2018, 09:56:43 PM
Been excellent the past few games. Combine his clinical finishing with Rondon's excellent hold-up performances under Pardew and I'm actually reasonably confident in our strike force for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on January 27, 2018, 09:59:27 PM
He's had horrendous injury problems. Sometimes it takes quite a run of games to get your match sharpness back. He's looking a real player at last as is Greg to needed time to settle in England.
Yes that's fair comment, the premier league is so quick and such a high level it's difficult to hit your top level straight away after a long injury lay off.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Pie on January 27, 2018, 10:32:31 PM
Gerrard was full of praise for him after the game and rightly so.

Keep giving him chances and he will find the net. Hes got his match sharpness back and now hes being played in a position whereby he can do his job - score.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on January 27, 2018, 10:53:19 PM
Championship player at best get rid drop him he'll never get the goals. He as Shut everyone up with is last couple of performances well done jay!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mikkyk on January 28, 2018, 12:36:04 AM
With his recent form, talk of him getting back in the England team. Does that mean he's out of the woods on his racism allegation? I'm sue the FA would take a much more lenient view if Southgate is interested in him!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: darbolina on January 28, 2018, 08:05:01 AM
Last night, he looked the player we hoped he'd be when he signed . Hopefully he can continue this form over the second half of the season because he looks like he could score quite a few when played consistently down the centre and isn't expected to play as a midfielder (dig at Pulis there )
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on January 28, 2018, 10:36:29 AM
Play him down the middle to get the best out of him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on January 28, 2018, 10:48:19 AM
I think last night suggests that to get the best out Jay Rodriguez play him as a Centre Forward and play the ball to feet.

We have tried to fit him in a variety of roles and that has had mixed results to say the least. I'm not convinced by him in the 10 role behind Rondon but given our limited options it might be the best option we have at the moment.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on January 28, 2018, 11:17:04 AM
I think last night suggests that to get the best out Jay Rodriguez play him as a Centre Forward and play the ball to feet.

We have tried to fit him in a variety of roles and that has had mixed results to say the least. I'm not convinced by him in the 10 role behind Rondon but given our limited options it might be the best option we have at the moment.


I think it works better when Rondon is the one who comes slightly deeper.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on January 28, 2018, 12:05:51 PM
Yeah our attack worked really well last night without Rondon on the pitch. Funny that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on January 28, 2018, 12:26:44 PM
Yeah our attack worked really well last night without Rondon on the pitch. Funny that.

Exactly what I was thinking, wonder what the result would of been with jay as sub and rondon playing,we would probably be saying well he held the ball up well if only  that went in of the post. I'm not convinced by rondon at all.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 28, 2018, 12:52:15 PM
Considering Kanu added nothing to the game I'd suggest we would have been even more comfortable had Rondon started alongside Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: smosher34 on January 28, 2018, 12:56:01 PM
I said same last night best games when rondon not played . 2 great goals
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 28, 2018, 10:02:39 PM
Anybody who cannot see what Rondon has brought to the team recently, hasn't got a clue as far as I am concerned. One of the last touches he had for us was inches away from being an absolute worldy. Just like the rest of the attacking players, he's needed time to get used to a new approach. The goals will come, he's a quality player.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2018, 11:14:39 AM
Considering Kanu added nothing to the game I'd suggest we would have been even more comfortable had Rondon started alongside Rodriguez.

Kanu was instrumental in the opening goal for a start.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KYA on January 29, 2018, 11:30:19 AM
Yeah our attack worked really well last night without Rondon on the pitch. Funny that.
What did HRK do before he went off?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 29, 2018, 11:30:32 AM
Kanu was instrumental in the opening goal for a start.


If you mean he got out of Rodriguez' way then I guess you're right... but if you're taking it further and suggesting he drew the defender away and created the space you're giving him far too much credit. Liverpool are wide open at the heart of central defence and the gap was there anyway.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 29, 2018, 12:27:16 PM
Exactly what I was thinking, wonder what the result would of been with jay as sub and rondon playing,we would probably be saying well he held the ball up well if only  that went in of the post. I'm not convinced by rondon at all.

Wonder what the score would have been if Rondon and Rodriguez had both played though like they have done in recent games?

Both Rondon and Rodriguez have improved recently and have begun to work well together. Saturdays performance from Rodriguez shows what happens when players start to regain their confidence which scoring in both the league and cup has brought to him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on January 29, 2018, 02:34:21 PM

If you mean he got out of Rodriguez' way then I guess you're right... but if you're taking it further and suggesting he drew the defender away and created the space you're giving him far too much credit. Liverpool are wide open at the heart of central defence and the gap was there anyway.

He blocked off the defender who would have had to go to J-Rod.  I think you can see he was very much involved for that goal so at least give him some credit.  For the record, I don't think he's anywhere near good enough but to say he had no impact on that goal is unfair.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: geoff on January 30, 2018, 02:06:20 PM
I said same last night best games when rondon not played . 2 great goals

He took both goals well & his overall performance was outstanding, his first goal was from outside the box  he had a lot of our players supporting him ( giving their defense others to make) allowing him some space
His 2nd was a well timed run into the 6yd box ( again supported by player) again to put away his chance.
I can't remember Rondon have that must help in the opposition half let alone their box in many a game.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: telford baggie on January 30, 2018, 10:02:40 PM
when should we be expecting a resolve on the racist coment? knowing our luck he will get a ban on thursday after window shuts....now if he did get a ban and found guilty is it a sackable offence?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 06, 2018, 05:51:09 PM
Any news on the fa taking action or not?

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on February 08, 2018, 05:37:46 PM
Any news on the fa taking action or not?

now there is news

https://twitter.com/PaulSuartWBA/status/961654054689689605

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@PaulSuartWBA
Breaking: West Brom striker Jay Rodriguez charged with use of 'abusive and/or insulting words which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race'. Concerns an incident involving Gaetan Bong during the Brighton game last month. Has ten days to respond. #wba
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: vrabbit on February 08, 2018, 05:43:05 PM
statement from the club

https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/february/club-statement-albion-back-jay/

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ALBION remain fully supportive of Jay Rodriguez after he was charged by the FA following an incident during the club's Premier League victory over Brighton & Hove Albion on Saturday, January 13.

It is alleged the Baggies striker used abusive and/or insulting words which included a reference to ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race.

Richard Garlick, Albion’s Director of Football Administration, said: “As a Club we remain fully supportive and committed to backing Jay throughout this process."

Jay has until February 16 to respond to the charge.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2018, 05:46:14 PM
A charge is just that, so any inference on guilt should be set aside for now.


If however he is subsequently found guilty, the history of our club dictates he should never wear the shirt again.


There must be more footage/witness statements than we've had access to for it to get this far imo.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: timdon on February 08, 2018, 05:58:05 PM
A charge is just that, so any inference on guilt should be set aside for now.


If however he is subsequently found guilty, the history of our club dictates he should never wear the shirt again.


There must be more footage/witness statements than we've had access to for it to get this far imo.
I wouldn't necessarily come to that conclusion. In any allegation of racism, I think that the authorities feel (probably correctly) that they have to be seen to be going through the correct procedures thoroughly and fairly. It would have been very hard for them to dismiss it out of hand. Let's just wait and see what the outcome is.It's still perfectly possible that he will be cleared.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on February 08, 2018, 06:01:44 PM
If there's found to be clear evidence of him being racist then he deserves the correct punishment. However, it would be insanity if the FA found him guilty on the basis of 'he said, she said' opinions with no proof.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on February 08, 2018, 06:03:21 PM
A charge is just that, so any inference on guilt should be set aside for now.


If however he is subsequently found guilty, the history of our club dictates he should never wear the shirt again.


There must be more footage/witness statements than we've had access to for it to get this far imo.

I doubt the club would have come out in full support of Jay if they thought he may be guilty, for my money the player had smelly breath & Jay told him, Bong needs to get over himself & if/when JR is cleared, Bong needs to be charged with slander.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 08, 2018, 06:04:17 PM
Great - just what we need when he's found some form. This will hang over him like a black cloud until it's sorted, so is very likely to affect him.  >:(
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2018, 06:41:36 PM
There has to be more that meets the eye with this - the FA would do well to reveal how they have come to this decision. To state that someone has bad breath or stinks is not racist

If following the releasr of the evidence, it is the case that a rasict remark has been used, then he should not play for us again.

I do not, however, believe at present that this is the case. My concern is that the FA are using this as a tool to demonstrate they are challenging racism when in reality they are doing bugger all.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2018, 06:55:18 PM
at best they'll find the charge inconclusive and nothing will happen, worst case scenario is they either have evidence or they are prepared to throw Jay under the bus in order to virtue signal their tolerance.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on February 08, 2018, 07:05:23 PM
not what club wanted at this stage of season  ??? but it`s up to fa to prove their case and club are standing behind player.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 08, 2018, 07:13:04 PM
Bong started digging a hole for himself and then found he had no choice but to keep on digging, as I remember the game JR was giving him a bit of a torrid time footballing wise and Bong lost it
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dudleylad on February 08, 2018, 07:13:53 PM
If Rodriguez is found not guilty, surely with the sort of allegation made by Bong he should be brought up before the FA for bringing the game into disripute.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kirk on February 08, 2018, 07:21:42 PM
Stunned and really disappointed with the clubs response, they should have said they backed Jay fully against these false allegations.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_jd26 on February 08, 2018, 07:25:30 PM
If Gaetan Bong was racially abused, he should report the matter to the police - not the FA. The fact he hasn’t in my opinion speaks volumes.

I am fully supportive of Jay Rodriguez because I truly believe he is innocent.
If he is proven guilty he should not play for the club again - however I fear the way the Fa work, they may not require proof and just look to make an example of him to show that they aren’t racist and for fear of backlash.

This is the last thing Jay and the club need right now.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2018, 07:35:41 PM
Charged on an allegation of as opposed to charged with, as I understand it. Based on the information available in the public domain I can not understand how any charges will be proven (although this is the FA!) and if/when the allegation is not proven I would hope the FA does something to prevent frivolous accusations.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on February 08, 2018, 07:46:06 PM
 I don't get this its one mans word against the other,hell get off,unless they've got a lipreader to look at it,but I don't think that our guy is guilty.
The other bloke is one of these very thin skinned people,didn't he get the runaround all afternoon,bit of a tit if you ask me.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 08, 2018, 07:50:24 PM
Stunned and really disappointed with the clubs response, they should have said they backed Jay fully against these false allegations.
Read the statement again.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on February 08, 2018, 08:09:06 PM
Ask yourself this: why did the ref not take action during the game?

No one heard it. No one saw it. One player claims something has been said. There's no evidence it happened.

I was racially abused/threatened SIX times in college, and each time there were between 2-10 witnesses who confirmed what happened, but did anything happen? No, because I'm white and each time, the principal said it was probably just banter. And here, a player's reputation and job is at stake due to hearsay...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kirk on February 08, 2018, 08:12:00 PM
Read the statement again.

I have it’s not strong enough
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2018, 08:14:03 PM
Ask yourself this: why did the ref not take action during the game?

No one heard it. No one saw it. One player claims something has been said. There's no evidence it happened.

I was racially abused/threatened SIX times in college, and each time there were between 2-10 witnesses who confirmed what happened, but did anything happen? No, because I'm white and each time, the principal said it was probably just banter. And here, a player's reputation and job is at stake due to hearsay...

Standard procedure.


We have no idea what evidence the FA has used in bringing this charge.

I have it’s not strong enough


Don't get this viewpoint, the club needs to protect itself against an adverse outcome, I think the clubs stance is above and beyond at this stage.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on February 08, 2018, 08:24:57 PM
still heard nothing about the incident from the Merseyside derby that happened weeks before.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on February 08, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
There has to be more that meets the eye with this - the FA would do well to reveal how they have come to this decision. To state that someone has bad breath or stinks is not racist

If following the releasr of the evidence, it is the case that a rasict remark has been used, then he should not play for us again.

I do not, however, believe at present that this is the case. My concern is that the FA are using this as a tool to demonstrate they are challenging racism when in reality they are doing bugger all.
That's very fair comment and I agree with the last sentence in particular.  In the climate, they have to be seen that they take these allegations very seriously and maybe fear the reaction if they dismissed the case at this 'early' stage....but as far as we know it's one man's word against another and unless there is some sort of supporting evidence then it's legally dodgy ground to charge Jay. Think it's a case of avoid the big decision until we have to make it one way or the other.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: hardtobeat on February 08, 2018, 08:48:21 PM
J  Rod seems adamant and extremely confident that he has no real case to answer
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on February 08, 2018, 08:58:10 PM
Unless there is some further evidence emerging looks like one players word against another?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 08, 2018, 09:10:15 PM
Well it never rains, but it pours at the Baggies!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on February 08, 2018, 09:12:09 PM
I have it’s not strong enough

In the circumstances its a strong as it can get.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on February 08, 2018, 09:34:35 PM
Standard procedure.


But he didn't hear anything, nor did the assistants, nor did any other player, so couldn't send Jay off. Jay hasn't been retrospectively red carded for foul/abusive language as there is no visual or audio evidence.  I don't understand where the FA have got their evidence from.

A retrospective ban is only for incidents that the ref missed yet there is evidence of, such as a stamp or an off-the-ball collision. Not for "he called me this..."
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on February 08, 2018, 09:38:03 PM
When i watched the video i thought he clearly said "you f*cking stink" where as Bong thinks he heard "you're bl*ck and you stink". I think in the heat of the match it could be easy to confuse one phrase for another. But i think you can clearly see Jrod say the former.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 08, 2018, 09:54:18 PM
I don't get this its one mans word against the other,hell get off,unless they've got a lipreader to look at it,but I don't think that our guy is guilty.
The other bloke is one of these very thin skinned people,didn't he get the runaround all afternoon,bit of a tit if you ask me.
Is there a video clip of the incident available anywhere?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bangkokbaggie on February 08, 2018, 10:20:28 PM
Jay has put out a very strong rebuttal so there does seem to be some suggestion that an unfair and false accusation has been made. The FA will need to come up with some real evidence to prove otherwise.

Smacks to me of another example of PC by the authorities.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyM on February 08, 2018, 10:42:22 PM
Unless there is some further evidence emerging looks like one players word against another?

This is it for me and the problem. At present it’s one players word against another, how do they figure this out? Are their any other witnesses? There don’t seem to be.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 08, 2018, 10:54:13 PM
This is it for me and the problem. At present it’s one players word against another, how do they figure this out? Are their any other witnesses? There don’t seem to be.


This line of thinking though? The FA will have spoken to all the players in the vicinity, spoken to the officials, lip reading experts, got character references etc. They will have to present some clear evidence for the charge or it leaves them open to a massive damages case from Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on February 08, 2018, 11:00:53 PM
In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. If Bong has no evidence then all there is is his word, and nothing else. Jay vehemently denies saying anything racial, and given the lack of any evidence to the contrary, the FA should give him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, they would be guilty of causing serious harm to a man's career.

Also, the fact that the club has come out with a strong statement in support of Jay speaks volumes. Given the history of our club, with the recent tributes to Cyrille and the aknowledgement of the great contribution he made to race relations in football, I don't believe they would have come out in support if they had any doubts. 

It may be Bong misheard or misunderstood Jay, in which case Jay should not pay any penalty. I can imagine Jay is sick this has happened just when he's starting to hit his best form since arriving at the club.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 08, 2018, 11:10:38 PM
A mess that shows the state of the country we live in, there should be no discrimination positive or negative, there should be no automatic will to be offended

This clown Bong went on to a French sports channel and said , "he (Jrod)said what he said because of my colour"

If you read that and digest it carefully he is suggesting that what was said....wasn't racist , but that Jrod said something and his assumption is ,it's because he is black

The ref did nothing,Bong (who Jrod was leading a merry dance) has not raised this with the police authorities,the clown talks openly on French TV about it , does that not prejudice any case ?
WHEN Rodriguez is cleared (but my money is on the FA fudging an inconclusive conclusion) I hope that Bong is not only banned,but charged legally with slander and many of his black team mates and opposition tell him about himself ...

Then maybe after dealing with this really urgent case...maybe the good old FA could go back in to time and look at the case between Liverpools firmino and the Everton defender (name escapes me) they seem to be quite astute up there with video evidence ?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on February 09, 2018, 02:35:28 AM
In this country you are innocent until proven guilty. If Bong has no evidence then all there is is his word, and nothing else. Jay vehemently denies saying anything racial, and given the lack of any evidence to the contrary, the FA should give him the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, they would be guilty of causing serious harm to a man's career.

Also, the fact that the club has come out with a strong statement in support of Jay speaks volumes. Given the history of our club, with the recent tributes to Cyrille and the aknowledgement of the great contribution he made to race relations in football, I don't believe they would have come out in support if they had any doubts. 

It may be Bong misheard or misunderstood Jay, in which case Jay should not pay any penalty. I can imagine Jay is sick this has happened just when he's starting to hit his best form since arriving at the club.

Sorry chap, no disrespect but having been through the 'Justice System' I haven't even read through the rest of your post beyond the highlighted text. Take it from me, and based purely on my own personal experience, when it's your word against the police you very much have to prove your innocence before they prove guilt.

Ed: While I realise this has no direct relevance to Jay, it's worth bearing in mind for those who think all will be well so long as they think it will regarding law enforcement in this country. #anotherstoryforanothertime.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 09, 2018, 07:26:54 AM
Don't see where the problem is.
If JRod did say ' your black and you stink' the only debatable content of that sentence is does Bong actually stink?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on February 09, 2018, 08:41:17 AM
Don't see where the problem is.
If JRod did say ' your black and you stink' the only debatable content of that sentence is does Bong actually stink?


Well his nickname is ‘Pong Bong’
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 09, 2018, 08:47:18 AM
Well his nickname is ‘Pong Bong’

There you go I rest my case M'lud
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DaveWBA on February 09, 2018, 09:30:24 AM
Agree with a lot of what has been said. If he's proven to have made a racist remark then I hope the FA release the full transcript for all to see and I hope we never see him wearing our shirt again. After the Anelka saga I would imagine he would have his contract terminated.

On the other hand I hope Bong is very aware of the potential detrimental impact this claim could have in future cases where players are racially abused. If this is thrown out by the FA, by default the starting point of the general public would view the accuser as a liar - which is absolutely no use to anyone in football or society as a whole.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on February 09, 2018, 12:02:48 PM
Well if Bongs case is thrown out,he is a liar.
How does anyone know if  it was Bong who insulted Jrod in the first place?
Surprising that it never seems to be the white fella complaining about a coloured fellas abuse,strange that eh?
because when I played and its happened in ordinary life to me but I ignored it,why can't he,pathetic I think,move on mate get over yourself.
I can't see any case to answer for jrod in fact he could bring a case against Bong couldn't he for deformation.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 09, 2018, 12:04:44 PM
Well if Bongs case is thrown out,he is a liar.
How does anyone know if  it was Bong who insulted Jrod in the first place?
Surprising that it never seems to be the white fella complaining about a coloured fellas abuse,strange that eh?
because when I played and its happened in ordinary life to me but I ignored it,why can't he,pathetic I think,move on mate get over yourself.
I can't see any case to answer for jrod in fact he could bring a case against Bong couldn't he for deformation.

I reckon Jay Rod is still fully formed despite the ordeal  ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Astle1968 on February 09, 2018, 12:13:12 PM
The FA need to make it public what Bong is alleging Rodriguez has said.

If Bong is alleging he said 'you're black and you stink' or something along those lines then the FA have to open a case against Rodriguez. It's then down to them to find enough evidence from video's, the players, the refs and lip readers to try and draw some sort of definitive conclusion. I would assume they don't have any clear and definitive evidence from video/audio recordings or anyone else other than the players or this would have already moved past this stage which means any potential decisions is just coming down to who they believe in a he said she said situation and leaves the FA open to being sued by either Rodriguez or Bong potentially.

If Bong is alleging that Rodriquez said 'you f'cking stink' or something similar with no mention or colour or race but is implying that that constitutes a racist remark then the FA potentially don't need to take action against Bong for the complaint but certainly need to give him a warning and educate him further. However with the TV interview he gave a ban wouldn't be out of the question and he can certainly expect legal action against him from Rodriguez.

Unless the FA have some evidence (which I don't think they do) this will come down to a 50/50 call made on nothing but guesswork. In that case I think it the current climate it's far more likely Rodriguez will be charged and given a 4-8 game ban than let off, simply because it gives a stronger message. If they let Rodriguez off they will undoubtedly face a wave of criticism fro Kick It Out and other bodies for not taking tough stance on racism. if they charge Rodriguez who is really going to complain other than Rodriguez himself and potentially the club (who risk alienating themselves fro a section of fans and the general public media if they stick up for a player the FA have convicted of racism).

I don't know exactly how the system works but I think it's poor that the FA have publicly charged Rogriguez for making a racist comment, have allowed Bong to go on TV and publicly accuse Rodriguez of the same thing, but yet have not revealed any details at all about what was alleged to be said.

Have to say I don't see this ending well for Rodriguez, and I just hope either way theres a definitive proof as to what was said.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 09, 2018, 12:39:09 PM
Sad to say, but I don't think it matters anymore whether he is innocent or not. The fact he has been charged means the FA will ban him and seek to make an example of him, so that they can hold him up and say "Look, we are doing something about the problem".

It's one persons word against another, but that will be the outcome.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2018, 12:52:24 PM
FA have to be seen to take this seriously, however unless EVIDENCE shows Jay did racially abuse Bong then he (Jay) cannot be found guilty.
If Evidence is brought forward which proves Jay did NOT racially abuse Bong then Bong must be guilty of bringing the game into disrepute and sanctioned as such.

My guess, no evidence either way so case dismissed - unresolved, its the only way the FA can reasonably resolve without a merde storm

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on February 09, 2018, 01:03:07 PM
Would the FA have charged him if he’d said to a white player ‘You’re white and you stink’. Come on, players are constantly exchanging verbal abuse and we hear nothing about this. I can’t see how Jay can be found guilty. It’s one man’s word against another.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albion79 on February 09, 2018, 01:42:55 PM
If JRod is proven to say something racist then the club have to sack him and set the standard.

However based on how he reacted at the time and what was allegedly said my instinct is he is innocent.

If its proven he is guilty then i will gladly apologise but does anybody in real life, in a heated moment say 'your black and you stink'?! I cant believe in modern day life anybody would actually adopt that tone, you would hope it would never happen at all but surely a heat of the moment it would be more aggressive, probably swearing, etc, not saying its right but just think how people speak around us everyday, the alleged comment just doesnt sound right.

Sadly like somebody said above, i think the FA will punish him, they want to be seen to do the right thing when it comes to racism and if they do nothing then the campaign groups will be out accusing them, which undermines the good work done by genuine racial awareness campaigners. Probably be a suspended ban which shows they are taking action without actually punishing him by making him miss games, a cop out really.

For him to be found guilty you would think there has to be clear evidence, if thats the case i hope the FA publish the evidence - audio, video, etc whatever they have, if i was Rodriguez i would insist on all these being made public and fight legally to ensure thats the case, whatever the outcome, i would want no grey area, nothing unresolved, you want your name officially cleared if innocent.

As his agent said, even if he is cleared, mud sticks, this has been played out in public, if he is found guilty then he deserves every punishment coming his way, if he is found innocent then he will sadly still have the racist slur attached to his name.

Also if JRod is cleared then i hope Bong receives punishment (think the FA will bottle that because they will be accused of racism then) it would be an insult to people who have genuinely been racially abused who fight hard for justice, awareness, etc that a high profile figure could then just play the race card to suit whatever his agenda is.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 09, 2018, 02:11:12 PM
Until i know proper details i dont really wanna comment on it, but if they're is conclusive proof he DIDNT say the part referencing his skin colour i hope the fa charge bong. That being said if its proven he DID say that, i will be dissapointed with the club if j-rod isn't immediately sacked.
The legacy of this club should dictate he would have to go.

If they can't prove he did or didnt say it though, it needs to be left alone. It would open the big can of worms and would probably put people off from reporting racist abuse which just isn't acceptable.

Not what we need right now :( the timing of the whole incident and cyrille has left a awful awful taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: don1thedon on February 09, 2018, 02:50:41 PM
Gut feeling tells me no way did Jay say anything racist but Bong. He has either misheard or misrepresented what has been said.
I do hope common sense prevails - unfortunately it rarely does!

Good to see Saints fans supporting Jay
https://www.footballfancast.com/premier-league/southampton/southampton-fans-react-as-jay-rodriguez-is-charged-with-alleged-racial-abuse
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on February 09, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
The fact that Bong's mother language is not english may well have played a role here. Even if he has a good grasp of it, it's always more difficult, to understand someone else's language, especially with regional accents etc. and when not spoken clearly face to face.

Obviously none of us here really know what happened, buy I hope Jay has good expert legal representation if he is innocent.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Greenock Baggie on February 09, 2018, 05:45:58 PM
Rodriguez is innocent until proven guilty and I've seen NO PROOF. But hey you dont need proof where racism allegations are concerned. The mere fact that Bong has claimed the 'race card' MUST mean that Rodriguez is guilty !!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on February 09, 2018, 09:01:28 PM
No chance did he say anything racist. He’s got my backing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albertbaggie on February 09, 2018, 09:42:58 PM
Would the FA have charged him if he’d said to a white player ‘You’re white and you stink’. Come on, players are constantly exchanging verbal abuse and we hear nothing about this. I can’t see how Jay can be found guilty. It’s one man’s word against another.
That's irrelevant.
If he did say 'you are black and you stink'  .. it is racist.

I don't believe for one minute  he did though.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: timdon on February 09, 2018, 10:59:40 PM
I hope the decision isn't fudged, as his reputation will be badly dented if it is, and the no smoke without fire brigade will win the day. If there is no evidence, he is innocent.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 10, 2018, 12:49:39 AM
That's irrelevant.
If he did say 'you are black and you stink'  .. it is racist.

I don't believe for one minute  he did though.
Is it though?
He is black and he may well stink

If I say Beyoncé is black and can't sing for toffee, is that a racist statement?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 10, 2018, 12:58:45 AM
Is it though?
He is black and he may well stink

If I say Beyoncé is black and can't sing for toffee, is that a racist statement?


Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on February 10, 2018, 01:49:11 AM

Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.

Hmmm. I'm not sure it's that simple. If I say "black people can usually sing well and dance well, but she is terrible", is it racist? It's not saying she can't sing due to her skin colour, but it's still negative. It's all getting very blurry.

It's fashionable to stand up to racism against minorities, that's why people do it. I've been racially abused, some of it is still on my Twitter feed from a couple of months ago. But does anyone care or stand up for me? No, why do you think that is? (And it's not because I've been racist).

It seems to me as though the FA are positively discriminating in favour of Bong. There's no clear evidence. But look at the backlash it's caused not only Jay but Albion fans. I've seen loads of kkk memes about us, and how we're racist because we back our player who we (and most other clubs) feel is innocent.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 10, 2018, 03:38:47 AM
Hmmm. I'm not sure it's that simple. If I say "black people can usually sing well and dance well, but she is terrible", is it racist? It's not saying she can't sing due to her skin colour, but it's still negative. It's all getting very blurry.

It's fashionable to stand up to racism against minorities, that's why people do it. I've been racially abused, some of it is still on my Twitter feed from a couple of months ago. But does anyone care or stand up for me? No, why do you think that is? (And it's not because I've been racist).

It seems to me as though the FA are positively discriminating in favour of Bong. There's no clear evidence. But look at the backlash it's caused not only Jay but Albion fans. I've seen loads of kkk memes about us, and how we're racist because we back our player who we (and most other clubs) feel is innocent.


Yes because it's sweeping generalisation whether a positive one or not, like black people are fast runners... People are people, some can sing some can run fast irrespective of race/skin colour, surely this isn't a difficult concept?

Regards backing the player, we've got no choice, innocent until proven guilty and rightly so, memes are memes water off a duck's back, the important stance will be the one the club take after the hearing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 10, 2018, 06:45:13 AM

Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.

So on that basis you can say that some one is a black doctor but not a black street sweeper?
There's always some one playing the victim and worse still there's other people ready to jump on the bandwagon and keep it trundling along

World's gone mad I fear for the future.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on February 10, 2018, 07:52:40 AM
So on that basis you can say that some one is a black doctor but not a black street sweeper?
There's always some one playing the victim and worse still there's other people ready to jump on the bandwagon and keep it trundling along

World's gone mad I fear for the future.

And theres always people ready to dismiss allegations such as these as "playing the victim" which in turn makes people who do suffer such abuse think "wants the point even saying anything" and puts us back in the strides we've made forward in deal with such matters.

if thats what he has said, it is racist. He's brought his skin colour into it (allegedly)

innocent until proven guilty though. Fingers crossed because it would be a great shame to have to fire one of ourr strikers in a relgegation battle, for me would be the final nail.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on February 10, 2018, 08:55:45 AM

Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.

What if a man asks a woman out and she says she dosen t fancy blacb/brown /yellow men is she a racist or if she just says no that man could claim it's because of the colour of his skin.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: leeiswba on February 10, 2018, 09:36:54 AM
I’m far from PC but some people in here have to be on the wind up. I don’t think he said it at all but of course if you say ‘you’re black and you stink’ it is and should be seen as racism.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 10, 2018, 10:00:17 AM
I’m far from PC but some people in here have to be on the wind up. I don’t think he said it at all but of course if you say ‘you’re black and you stink’ it is and should be seen as racism.

Sorry but I'm just playing devils advocate here.
If he had allegedly said to Bong 'you stink' would that be racist?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2018, 10:16:09 AM
Can you show prejudicsm or discrimination without being a racist? the only person I believe who can answer that is oneself.
My first wife was from a Black Portuguese family who i had a child with and love dearly.
Now I'm not going to say I haven't muttered under my breath and never called a person out because of his/her colour because I have.
Am I racist? do you get judged on a singular incident?
Racism exists in all colours of people but I do feel the word is used too often and in many cases it's a easy substitute for the word Abuse.

call someone a B...... B........d.  it's Racist.
call someone a Fat bugger it's Abuse
you may not have anymore prejudice to the former but the consequences can be enormous for the use of 1 word.
I don't think the above gives cause for someone to be branded a racist, stupid or ignorant maybe but I find it ridiculous for a person to be branded a racist for an act of stupidity.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on February 10, 2018, 10:19:18 AM
Sorry but I'm just playing devils advocate here.
If he had allegedly said to Bong 'you stink' would that be racist?
is this a genuine question? Why would that question be racist when his colour hasn’t been mentioned? The allegation is that he said to Bong you’re black and you stink which yes would be racist, how can anyone believe that using someone’s skin colour as a negative against them isn’t racist? Saying a black personnis black is not racist, using it as a negative (as with any skin colour) against them is racism.

However do not believe jay rod said it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: andibaggy on February 10, 2018, 10:24:49 AM
It truly is absurd, I hope the evidence which we have all seen is taken to a lip reading expert by Jay's defence and the whole thing is overturned at the earliest convenience.

My gut feeling is that Bong knows he has crossed the line and is now having to maintain the lie to get himself out of the position he is in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 10, 2018, 10:40:34 AM
The only thing we know for sure is that Jrod inferred that Bong had bad breath/his game stank/BO this is backed up by TV footage showing JRod pinching his nostrils.
As far as referring to his colour, unless there's footage that can be analysed by some lip reading expert I don't see how this case can get any legs.
I think it's probably a case of the FA crapping themselves in the light of the shambles they made over the ladies football team scandal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: leeiswba on February 10, 2018, 11:24:03 AM
Sorry but I'm just playing devils advocate here.
If he had allegedly said to Bong 'you stink' would that be racist?

Well obviously not
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Westie on February 10, 2018, 11:55:00 AM
This affair is ridiculous, one man’s word against another; just accept it as match banter. Bong needs to grow up and not behave like a pathetic crybaby.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 10, 2018, 01:00:34 PM
Well obviously not

Not that obvious is it?
JRods held his nose and looked in Bongs direction and been accused of being racist.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Xpresso on February 10, 2018, 02:21:21 PM
Looking at Bong's tweets about this incident, he clearly has poor command of the English launguage. His tweets make little sense. As like as not he has misheard/misunderstood what was said to him and you would think someone, his manager maybe, would be taking some sense into him. Clearly, that's not happening.

I see there's been a great outpouring of support for Jay by Southampton fans, somewhat in contrast to some here who want him sacked.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scruffy Stan on February 10, 2018, 03:17:32 PM
Haven't seen anyone on here wanting him sacked unless he's done something to deserve it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on February 10, 2018, 04:07:32 PM
This affair is ridiculous, one man’s word against another; just accept it as match banter. Bong needs to grow up and not behave like a pathetic crybaby.

Yes!. It's supposedly a mans game but the snowflakes are taking over.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 10, 2018, 08:30:29 PM

Yes because you are linking a negative connotation to race. How do people not know this? 3rd or 4th post I've seen along these lines.
I'm sure there was a case recently where a black man had felt racially abused because someone made a joke about him having a bid dick because he was black...?

Is the film white men cant jump ok?

The guy in recruitment at West Ham got sacked for saying African players can be disruptive, the same week Algerian Mahrez went awol

Where  does it end?

If jrod said it, it's a police matter not for the FA to mess about with, Bong himself went on French TV talking about it, that must be wrong?., during said interview he said that "he said it to me because I am black" this indicates there was no direct racial inference more  that Bong is assuming that any comment was because of his skin colour....I think this is called paronia
The final thing is , how can the FA "charge " without evidence and if there was evidence why are the police not investigating?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 10, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
I'm sure there was a case recently where a black man had felt racially abused because someone made a joke about him having a bid dick because he was black...?

Is the film white men cant jump ok?

The guy in recruitment at West Ham got sacked for saying African players can be disruptive, the same week Algerian Mahrez went awol

Where  does it end?

If jrod said it, it's a police matter not for the FA to mess about with, Bong himself went on French TV talking about it, that must be wrong?., during said interview he said that "he said it to me because I am black" this indicates there was no direct racial inference more  that Bong is assuming that any comment was because of his skin colour....I think this is called paronia
The final thing is , how can the FA "charge " without evidence and if there was evidence why are the police not investigating?


It hasn't aged well.


Stereotypes are stereotypes and racial stereotypes are racism. Of all football supporters I'm astonished some Albion fans fail to grasp the nuances of racial inequality and racism.


Where does it end? When racism and racists are eradicated.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on February 10, 2018, 09:04:52 PM

It hasn't aged well.


Stereotypes are stereotypes and racial stereotypes are racism. Of all football supporters I'm astonished some Albion fans fail to grasp the nuances of racial inequality and racism.


Where does it end? When racism and racists are eradicated.
Let me put this as best I can without being called a racist. I have a mate who I have been going to the Albion home and away with for the past 25 years who is black. Now he is getting really annoyed with people who keep claiming rasicism on his behalf and black people who play the race card when something happens they don't like, he said to me I'm black and proud if someone calls me a black whatever, they ain't wrong I am black! Like if someone calls you a fat bald white whatever that's because you are!!  His words not mine and I prefer to listen to him and his views rather than some do gooder complaining on his behalf, he doesn't like it doesn't need it and doesn't want it!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on February 10, 2018, 09:21:22 PM
I'm sure there was a case recently where a black man had felt racially abused because someone made a joke about him having a bid dick because he was black...?

Is the film white men cant jump ok?

The guy in recruitment at West Ham got sacked for saying African players can be disruptive, the same week Algerian Mahrez went awol

Where  does it end?

If jrod said it, it's a police matter not for the FA to mess about with, Bong himself went on French TV talking about it, that must be wrong?., during said interview he said that "he said it to me because I am black" this indicates there was no direct racial inference more  that Bong is assuming that any comment was because of his skin colour....I think this is called paronia
The final thing is , how can the FA "charge " without evidence and if there was evidence why are the police not investigating?

Wasn't that Lukaku and the song the Utd fans were singing about him?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albertbaggie on February 10, 2018, 09:36:14 PM
Sorry but I'm just playing devils advocate here.
If he had allegedly said to Bong 'you stink' would that be racist?
If he has just said 'you stink', there is no issue.

The issue is whether he said 'you're black'  because why bring colour into anything? That would obviously be racist.

From the video evidence we've seen, I don't think Jay used the words 'you are black' ... but we will see. He seemed visibly shocked when Bong went to the referee and claimed it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 10, 2018, 11:44:59 PM
Let me put this as best I can without being called a racist. I have a mate who I have been going to the Albion home and away with for the past 25 years who is black. Now he is getting really annoyed with people who keep claiming rasicism on his behalf and black people who play the race card when something happens they don't like, he said to me I'm black and proud if someone calls me a black whatever, they ain't wrong I am black! Like if someone calls you a fat bald white whatever that's because you are!!  His words not mine and I prefer to listen to him and his views rather than some do gooder complaining on his behalf, he doesn't like it doesn't need it and doesn't want it!


Who do you think is doing this in this instance?


An admirable stance from your mate, but many are both unwilling and unable to turn the other cheek and that is their prerogative.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on February 11, 2018, 12:18:52 AM

Who do you think is doing this in this instance?


An admirable stance from your mate, but many are both unwilling and unable to turn the other cheek and that is their prerogative.
I think Bong is, Rodriguez said something he didn't like and now he is being branded racist, let me just say I do not believe for one minute that Rodriguez was racist and if proved innocent Bong should be charged with slander.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on February 11, 2018, 06:53:07 AM

Who do you think is doing this in this instance?


An admirable stance from your mate, but many are both unwilling and unable to turn the other cheek and that is their prerogative.

What about the woman I mentioned?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2018, 08:45:30 AM

It hasn't aged well.


Stereotypes are stereotypes and racial stereotypes are racism. Of all football supporters I'm astonished some Albion fans fail to grasp the nuances of racial inequality and racism.


Where does it end? When racism and racists are eradicated.
What about the MOBO's
Why should there be a music of black origin award in a modern progressive society, is that not racism in itself?

And just because some Albion fans have their own views or beliefs on the matter, does not mean they do not understand racism, in fact it's the whole reason for the debate....racism isn't racism just because someone says so..
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 11, 2018, 08:55:07 AM
What about the MOBO's
Why should there be a music of black origin award in a modern progressive society, is that not racism in itself?

And just because some Albion fans have their own views or beliefs on the matter, does not mean they do not understand racism, in fact it's the whole reason for the debate....racism isn't racism just because someone says so..

and because an innocent comment is said to someone of a different skin colour it shouldn't be construed as racism.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on February 11, 2018, 09:55:49 AM
What about the MOBO's
Why should there be a music of black origin award in a modern progressive society, is that not racism in itself?


And just because some Albion fans have their own views or beliefs on the matter, does not mean they do not understand racism, in fact it's the whole reason for the debate....racism isn't racism just because someone says so..
You mean like the Brit awards that celebrate British artists, the MOBO’s celebrate music not black people, mick hucknall, Jessie j and Sam smith have all won MOBO’s.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2018, 03:05:17 PM
You mean like the Brit awards that celebrate British artists, the MOBO’s celebrate music not black people, mick hucknall, Jessie j and Sam smith have all won MOBO’s.
Remind me again what the acronym stands for?

And British does not determine a colour , so I think the argument is flawed.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on February 11, 2018, 03:15:42 PM
Music of black origin
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on February 12, 2018, 01:51:33 PM

It hasn't aged well.


Stereotypes are stereotypes and racial stereotypes are racism. Of all football supporters I'm astonished some Albion fans fail to grasp the nuances of racial inequality and racism.


Where does it end? When racism and racists are eradicated.

Someone asked, Is the film white men cant jump ok?

There are physiological reasons why some racial groups are better disposed to certain "performances"
You will wait a long time to see a bushman win the olympic high jump, or, ask yourself why most of the sprinters who run less than 10 seconds are of West African descent.
To deny these pre-dispositions is just plain stupid. The evidence is there for all to see in the record books.

This isn't racism its physiology. And thats from a white bloke who cannot jump !

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2018, 07:51:19 PM
Gutted for the lad not starting tonight
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2018, 08:39:57 PM
Gutted for the lad not starting tonight
Got an extra two minutes of rest in.  ???
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on February 12, 2018, 08:55:53 PM
Why's he not taken a touch with that chance? No one anywhere near him and the keeper miles away. He puts that away and we really rock Chelsea. Now we're on the back foot again and have nothing to show for our positive start.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2018, 08:59:50 PM
Why's he not taken a touch with that chance? No one anywhere near him and the keeper miles away. He puts that away and we really rock Chelsea. Now we're on the back foot again and have nothing to show for our positive start.

Poor miss
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 12, 2018, 09:04:19 PM
He's been a poor buy. Perception of him totally embellished by 2 pretty clear cut chances he put away in our best performance of the season.


Championship player.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on February 12, 2018, 09:35:42 PM
He's been a poor buy. Perception of him totally embellished by 2 pretty clear cut chances he put away in our best performance of the season.


Championship player.
Never been much of a fan but he should be given a run as a forward as at Liverpool. He's not up to it just like Rondon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on February 12, 2018, 09:41:49 PM
what a waste of money
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on February 15, 2018, 08:03:47 PM
Got a 3 week respite from the FA
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on February 15, 2018, 09:03:22 PM
what a waste of money
Still our top scorer, with 50% of shots on target.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/top-scorers
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on February 16, 2018, 12:27:46 AM
Great link, many thanks and cheers to Auntie Beeb.

According to said link Claudio Yacob and Sam Field have pretty impressive conversion stats too.

May as well give them a go up front  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 21, 2018, 08:45:35 PM
So, Firminio (Liverpool, top six club) let off and no malice from Holgate. Who anticipates a similar result for Jay or thinks the FA will need "to take a stand"?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mooncat on February 21, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
Quote
So, Firminio (Liverpool, top six club) let off and no malice from Holgate. Who anticipates a similar result for Jay or thinks the FA will need "to take a stand"?
Just seen this - I've been saying form the outset it'll be a case of Bong was right to report it, but there is insufficient evidence to charge JayRod. I REALLY hope this is the case now, as if not, it'll be a massive case of double standards
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on February 21, 2018, 09:01:13 PM
So, Firminio (Liverpool, top six club) let off and no malice from Holgate. Who anticipates a similar result for Jay or thinks the FA will need "to take a stand"?
why am I not suprised? strange this incident happened two weeks before Rodriguez and the outcome takes two weeks longer. I like a good conspiracy.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kirk on February 22, 2018, 05:09:19 PM
How can 2 incidents with both only involving 2 people yet 1 gets dismissed while the other gets charged. The FA has so much to answer for
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 22, 2018, 05:21:45 PM
How can 2 incidents with both only involving 2 people yet 1 gets dismissed while the other gets charged. The FA has so much to answer for


Word around these parts is that Holgate has admitted to the FA that he may have misheard. Which bears out seeing as hearsay is strong he only made such a fuss to avoid an almost certain red card.


Hence, Firmino cleared of wrong doing but Holgate correct to raise the complaint albeit based on a mistake. Everyone saves face.


Suspect Bong has made no such concession.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on February 24, 2018, 07:10:36 PM
Was really poor today. His first touch is terrible.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 24, 2018, 07:12:05 PM
Was really poor today. His first touch is terrible.


Have said it before the song we've got for him contains the line, 'never gives the ball awaaaay'. If it wasn't serious I'd think it was the ultimate in trolling from the Albion faithful.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on February 24, 2018, 07:14:57 PM
Was really poor today. His first touch is terrible.

Horrible first touch, always off-side and bad at passing. I genuinely believe Anichebe offered us more - especially in build-up play.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on February 24, 2018, 08:05:49 PM
another great signing for recruitment department and Pulis, one word S***e.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on February 25, 2018, 03:13:33 PM
I think some of the most recent criticism of Jay Rod is a bit harsh, especially  as you need go back only a couple of weeks to find posters moaning that he'd been dropped from the starting eleven. He has scored some good goals this season, taking the chances clinically,  and is still the club's leading scorer. If we do get relegated, there won't be many other forwards in the Championship with his all round quality and workrate.
 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: hardtobeat on February 25, 2018, 03:20:10 PM
Problem is with Rodriguez is where do you play him? His control and lack of presence stop him from playing lone striker role,  quite simply not a good enough player to be a No.10 , looks lost when out wide. To me he just isn't a premier league player
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2018, 03:40:23 PM
Problem is with Rodriguez is where do you play him? His control and lack of presence stop him from playing lone striker role,  quite simply not a good enough player to be a No.10 , looks lost when out wide. To me he just isn't a premier league player


100 percent. The death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on February 25, 2018, 04:00:03 PM

100 percent. The death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill.
Are you serious? So if your not a classic 'target man' then as a forward you have no future.
So Messi and Neymar might as well pack up then?  Some, probably most, of the strikers with real technique and skill are not target men.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2018, 04:03:21 PM

100 percent. The death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill.

Jay Rodriguez was at his best in a 433 / 4321 at Southampton when he used to cut in from the left hand side. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2018, 05:04:10 PM
Are you serious? So if your not a classic 'target man' then as a forward you have no future.
So Messi and Neymar might as well pack up then?  Some, probably most, of the strikers with real technique and skill are not target men.


They all play in a 3. If we played a front 3 with 3 skilful strikers Rodriguez still wouldn't fit in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on February 25, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
He'll be at his level in the Championship next year.
Should do OK  ::)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2018, 05:10:29 PM
Are you serious? So if your not a classic 'target man' then as a forward you have no future.
So Messi and Neymar might as well pack up then?  Some, probably most, of the strikers with real technique and skill are not target men.


Also I never mentioned target men and it's baffling you conjured up the best player of all time and the 3rd or 4th best player in the world as a defence of the appalling Jay Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 25, 2018, 05:19:29 PM
I wasn't overly impressed when we signed him, especially the money we spent on him. We could have used that better.

Again we went for what was regarded as the 'tried and tested' option, and we've had our fingers burned.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on February 25, 2018, 05:56:48 PM

Also I never mentioned target men and it's baffling you conjured up the best player of all time and the 3rd or 4th best player in the world as a defence of the appalling Jay Rodriguez.
Firstly, one man playing up top on his own is most people's definition of a target man. He couldn't really be anything other.
I was picking up on your comment that "the death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill."  What you seem to say is that the extra striker is nothing better than a trier, passable finisher (not that you should be dismissive about that)  and with no real technique or skill. That's a helluva lot of very decent second strikers you're writing off.
Most of the greatest strikers we have seen were not classic target men.  We can differ about Rodriguez ( I happen to think he has good anticipation, a decent finisher, good workrate and let's not forget capped by England with Southgate allegedly monitoring him). But, if we are never going to play with more than one striker up top, why have we got 3 recognised strikers; Sturridge, Rondon and Rodriguez? 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 25, 2018, 06:14:44 PM
Firstly, one man playing up top on his own is most people's definition of a target man. He couldn't really be anything other.
I was picking up on your comment that "the death of the 442 at the highest level has left strikers like Rodriguez behind. Triers, passable finishers, but no real technique or skill."  What you seem to say is that the extra striker is nothing better than a trier, passable finisher (not that you should be dismissive about that)  and with no real technique or skill. That's a helluva lot of very decent second strikers you're writing off.
Most of the greatest strikers we have seen were not classic target men.  We can differ about Rodriguez ( I happen to think he has good anticipation, a decent finisher, good workrate and let's not forget capped by England with Southgate allegedly monitoring him). But, if we are never going to play with more than one striker up top, why have we got 3 recognised strikers; Sturridge, Rondon and Rodriguez?


I didn't mention target men. Extra strikers. 2nd strikers. I mentioned Jay Rodriguez and intimated players of a similar skill set to Jay Rodriguez. You have tried to make it into a blanket statement when it was anything but.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on February 25, 2018, 06:20:43 PM
On FIFA Rodríguez is a Left Midfielder and Judging by the Way he plays he Should be on the Left He would give Pace and Assist but due to the way we've being Playing he has to either Go higher up and played out of his position Credit For J rod though he has given some Key goals albeit meaning Jack crap at the end of it
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on March 07, 2018, 11:54:01 AM
Have I missed the decision?
Why's it taking so long?
Its affecting his play?
Does this joker Bong just want some publicity back home?
Its one mans word against the other,so no contest.
There should be time limits on this type of accusation,say 48 hours.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2018, 12:28:10 PM
Have I missed the decision?
Why's it taking so long?
Its affecting his play?
Does this joker Bong just want some publicity back home?
Its one mans word against the other,so no contest.
There should be time limits on this type of accusation,say 48 hours.

No.

The case was deferred until March 9th.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43079270
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: MarkW on March 07, 2018, 12:44:29 PM
On FIFA Rodríguez is a Left Midfielder and Judging by the Way he plays he Should be on the Left He would give Pace and Assist but due to the way we've being Playing he has to either Go higher up and played out of his position Credit For J rod though he has given some Key goals albeit meaning Jack crap at the end of it

I wouldn't say playing up front is playing him out of position. He has alternated between the two throughout his career.

He played left wing the season he ruptured his ligaments, and but since has largely played as a centre forward.

His performances on the left for us haven't been as good in my opinion
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2018, 01:08:56 PM
I wouldn't say playing up front is playing him out of position. He has alternated between the two throughout his career.

He played left wing the season he ruptured his ligaments, and but since has largely played as a centre forward.

His performances on the left for us haven't been as good in my opinion

Basing your opinion on what you've actually seen is clearly where you're going wrong.

In fact I think we should completely dump the The Scouting Department, The Monitoring Department, The F'ing About Department and the Stalking Department and do all of our recruiting via FIFA.

Clearly better, more efficient and best of all in the mind of Mr Jenkins (allegedly) is that it would also be cheaper.

Why lash out sponds on scouting etc when you can just switch the telly on, put your feet up and let your hands do all of the 'work' with that there 'joystick' thingy like 04 appears to.

It's all in the wrist apparently  ;D  ;) .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 07, 2018, 02:03:52 PM
I stopped reading as soon as he used 'Rodriguez' and 'pace' in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on March 09, 2018, 01:05:07 PM
By the way good luck to jrod today at his hearing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: don1thedon on March 09, 2018, 04:53:37 PM
"The case will now be heard by a disciplinary panel at a date to be decided .... West Brom manager Alan Pardew said he does not expect the matter to be resolved soon."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43350597
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2018, 11:09:18 PM
Hearing tomorrow. Final nail for this season?


A guilty verdict leaves a club with our history a big decision to make.  He'd have to be terminated imo.


Hopefully he is exonerated.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: timdon on April 10, 2018, 11:48:07 PM
Hearing tomorrow. Final nail for this season?


A guilty verdict leaves a club with our history a big decision to make.  He'd have to be terminated imo.


Hopefully he is exonerated.
Yep, agree with both these sentiments. If it goes against him his reputation will be in tatters, but fingers crossed it won't come to that
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 11, 2018, 10:07:38 AM
Fingers crossed for exoneration. He is actually starting to find the net on a fairly regular basis now and would be a decent striker to have in the league below.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on April 11, 2018, 02:04:56 PM
He's innocent of the accusations whether the jokers at the FA find him guilty or not. The club should back him regardless of what the outcome is. I'm no lip reader but it was plain to see that he didn't say what Bong had accused him of. He was just pi55ed off that he forgot to brush his teeth that morning and had been called out on it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Wigmore on April 11, 2018, 10:05:02 PM
Why is it going to take 3 weeks for a decision???
Justice delayed is justice denied.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BAGGIE5 on April 12, 2018, 07:54:10 PM
Wasn’t the verdict meant to be today?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2018, 04:22:21 PM
CLEARED.


Pleased for the lad. Important these allegations are taken seriously though so hopefully there won't be a ridiculous backlash against Bong from our fans in particular.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on April 13, 2018, 04:27:31 PM
It's a shame he wasn't exonerated rather than the charge being not proven.

Still, he's in the clear that's the bottom line.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: pennington on April 13, 2018, 04:28:22 PM
So the other bloke needs to be charged then ......... obious they now think he is a liar.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on April 13, 2018, 04:29:45 PM
So the other bloke needs to be charged then ......... obious they now think he is a liar.


According to the FA Bong made the accusation in "Good faith". Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
So the other bloke needs to be charged then ......... obious they now think he is a liar.


Unreal. What should he be charged with? I'll wait...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Aztech on April 13, 2018, 04:36:42 PM

Unreal. What should he be charged with? I'll wait...

character assassination
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 13, 2018, 04:37:43 PM
character assassination


Don't believe that is an FA charge. Or remotely true in this case.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bradleysrocket on April 13, 2018, 04:41:50 PM
I believe he could have acted better, but there is no reason to believe bong did it maliciously. Just a ‘lost in translation’ type of issue.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: adamw1109 on April 13, 2018, 04:42:18 PM
Any blind man could see he didn't say anything racist.

Just another typical example of bell*nds throwing the race card around because they feel like it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 13, 2018, 04:56:08 PM
Great news.

Hopefully he can be a big player for us next season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on April 13, 2018, 04:56:59 PM
Justice is done
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on April 13, 2018, 05:15:51 PM
Good news for Jay but should never have been sent to disciplinary board
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on April 13, 2018, 05:16:25 PM
It's a shame he wasn't exonerated rather than the charge being not proven.
It's probably the case that they couldn't see Jay's mouth on camera for then entire duration of the incident and, as obviously no-one else heard anything, it came down to one person against another. As there was no absolute proof of either guilt or innocence, a verdict of not proven would be inevitable. It's quite possible that Bong misinterpreted something that Jay said.

I'm pleased for Jay that he's not been found guilty, although it's a shame that it's taken so long for the outcome to be arrived at. Fair play to Alan Pardew for going along to support him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: don1thedon on April 13, 2018, 05:18:04 PM
Great news for Jay & the club, good to see other character witnesses for Jay as well.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on April 13, 2018, 05:26:22 PM
Good news, Common sense prevails.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: hardtobeat on April 13, 2018, 05:39:21 PM
It's a shame he wasn't exonerated rather than the charge being not proven.

Still, he's in the clear that's the bottom line.
Suspect that verdict may be to stop Jay and his legal advisors from launching a counter claim against Bong , not good enough IMO as there is clearly no evidence of racism
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on April 13, 2018, 06:26:25 PM
Never doubted the lad
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on April 13, 2018, 06:34:35 PM
If I were Rodriguez, I'd sue Bong for that. 'Good faith' is not enough I'm afraid, you should only accuse someone if you're certain, which he clearly wasn't. 'Good faith' or not, it's not good enough.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on April 13, 2018, 06:36:03 PM
 “Not Proven” is when a “jury” do not believe the accused is innocent, yet feel there is not enough evidence to convict. It is a third option, mainly applied in Scottish Law.

I’m really pleased for Jay, but wonder what his feelings are and the same would apply to Song.

In the final analysis, both parties must accept the judgement and move on.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on April 13, 2018, 06:57:32 PM
“Not Proven” is when a “jury” do not believe the accused is innocent, yet feel there is not enough evidence to convict. It is a third option, mainly applied in Scottish Law.

I’m really pleased for Jay, but wonder what his feelings are and the same would apply to Song.

In the final analysis, both parties must accept the judgement and move on.


That is the law though not the F.A.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on April 13, 2018, 07:03:45 PM
I think it is important to remember that the ruling committe were not looking at this case in the criminal court sense and so criminal court rules do not apply.

You can ignore the "case not proven " lines etc, they had a remit only to find out if there was enough evidence for him to be found guilty and evidentialy their wasn't.

It is possible that Bong, with English as his 2nd language, genuinely believes Rodriguez racially abused him. Only he will know how ceetain he is however.

Personally, I feel the alledged wording "your black and your breath smells" is so clunky that is is unlikely anyone would say it, let alone an English footballer who knows how muchhe would be throwing away.

The panel eventually came to a good decision, it was 1 persons word against anotherand that should not be enough to convict someone.

Im glad it is over.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on April 13, 2018, 07:10:05 PM

That is the law though not the F.A.

Why would the FA not take advantage of a judgement, whether it be Scottish Law or otherwise, to vindicate both parties and apply a fair and reasonable solution to this sorry tale, where there can be no winners in reality. I consider it to be a sensible approach.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiejohn on April 13, 2018, 07:44:16 PM
Why would the FA not take advantage of a judgement, whether it be Scottish Law or otherwise, to vindicate both parties and apply a fair and reasonable solution to this sorry tale, where there can be no winners in reality. I consider it to be a sensible approach.

Think you've summed it up, unless someone heard the "conversation" there's no way of proving what was said.

I think I saw somewhere that the judgement was based on the "balance of probability" concept. I would imagine that the people who testified positively on Jay's behalf, would have swing the "balance of probability" firmly in his direction.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VVVAlbion on April 13, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
I imagine that Bong could be charged with a offense for discussing the case and making allegations in the French media. Equally, Rodriguez could take private action for defamation for the same reason but I suspect nothing more will happen and it will be forgotten by everyone before the season ends.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on April 13, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
Hopefully that will be that now. I imagine they've both learned something from it. Jay will probably think twice before trying to get a fellow professional to react in order to get one over during a match.

Very happy for the lad, I imagine that would have been ticking away in the back of his mind.

For Bong to have gone to the media before the police, I think that's disgusting. If there was a genuine problem he should have reported it and let action take its course, not go public and try to get him done. This type of thing sticks with someone.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 13, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
BONG Still at it on Twitter blaming the Lack Of Evidence For J-Rod not to get charged but saying he has apologised
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on April 13, 2018, 10:23:39 PM
BONG Still at it on Twitter blaming the Lack Of Evidence For J-Rod not to get charged but saying he has apologised

he should move on just everybody should. Done.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Andio on April 13, 2018, 10:31:00 PM
Really pleased for J-Rod


Personally, I feel the alledged wording "your black and your breath smells" is so clunky that is is unlikely anyone would say it, let alone an English footballer who knows how muchhe would be throwing away.


If that's what J-Rod allegedly said then he most probably said, "Move back, your breath smells" and Bong misheard it in the heat of the moment.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on April 13, 2018, 10:46:55 PM
Bong should have measures against him

Firstly after he had raised the issue , he went on to French sport television and said "he said what he said to me because of the colour of my skin"
So not only potentially prejudicing any hearing.....but the idiot was also saying that JRod said something (non racist) but his assumption was it was due to the colour of his skin
Secondly the tit has now it social proclaiming that JRod apologised, clearly because he doesn't want to look even more stupid

This whole episode would surely have had some sort of effect on our player, for that alone Pongy Bongy should pay a fine.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: dan7heman on April 14, 2018, 12:29:19 AM
For once common sense prevailed. End of a non story... Hope he stays for next season, will tear it up in chumpionship.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Chipperfan on April 14, 2018, 05:06:15 AM
Interesting to read on the BBC website that Bong also contradicted the referee’s version of what he (Bong) said to the ref.

I realise that I am biased in Rodriguez’ favour as he’s our player, but Bong’s entire approach to this suggests to me that he was trying it on to get Rodriguez into trouble during the game and the situation has got out of control. Subsequently he has had to go along with his lie or back down and look a berk.

Whatever though it’s good that Rodriguez is in the clear now.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on April 14, 2018, 06:52:35 AM
Fantastic news. Never once doubted the lad
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kirk on April 14, 2018, 09:00:10 AM
Reading the fa comments doesn’t sound cleared they basically said Bong was right but cannot prove it, which also questions why he got charged in the first place with no evidence. If I was Jay I would take legal action against Bong for his French tv comments and the fa for definmation of character
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Wollastonbaggie on April 14, 2018, 09:35:45 AM
Does anyone know if the FA has used the phrase "not proven" before  or is this the first time? As has been said before the term is used in Scotland to avoid coming up with a "not guilty" verdict, which might innocence. If the F A has used the term before as well as "not guilty" it would give some indication of their thoughts on the matter.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mifos on April 14, 2018, 10:16:26 AM
Really pleased for J-Rod

If that's what J-Rod allegedly said then he most probably said, "Move back, your breath smells" and Bong misheard it in the heat of the moment.

I think Bong actually knew just telling the ref JR had said his breath stinks would get no action from the ref. so bringing in a racial element would get the ref. to take notice. Once he'd made the accusation he couldn't retract it without looking like he'd played the race card. JRs version of what was said just sounds more natural and believable.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on April 14, 2018, 10:32:16 AM
It seems to me that this Bong fella is very thin skinned.
Jrod,not guilty common sense prevails.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: andibaggy on April 14, 2018, 12:03:47 PM
Been reading a thread on a BHA forum and they still support their man but there is a great point on there.

Why would a speaker of the English language say ‘you’re black and you stink’ they would phase it more like ‘you black...’.

I have only seen the videos of Jay and what he mouthed and for me it was ‘your f*in breath stinks’.

Really pleased is been dismissed.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on April 14, 2018, 01:49:26 PM
Interesting:

What the referee said
Martin Atkinson wrote an extraordinary incident report and also made a witness statement to the FA.

In his evidence, he said: "In the 58th minute as I awarded a goal kick to Brighton, I was aware of a coming together of two players, Bong and Rodriguez.

"As I approached the two players, Bong pointed at Rodriguez and said to me: 'He has been racist.'

"That is when alarm bells started ringing in my head and I knew I needed to speak to the players.

"Bong was insistent that Rodriguez had said something racist. Bong was talking quickly and was clearly upset about he thought had heard.

"Bong told me that JR had said the word 'black' and then something else, but it was not clear what GB said as he was talking so fast and with such emotion."

After the match, Atkinson spoke further to Bong. The FA reported Atkinson as saying Bong "did not appear upset or angry, just certain and insistent about what had happened".

The FA also said that in cross examination Bong said that "he did not say the words 'black something' to the referee, nor did he tell the referee that he had been called a black anything".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/43744840

Scroll through the link for Jay Rodriguez's statement.........
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mifos on April 14, 2018, 05:53:12 PM
Happy there's going to be no further action, but 'not proven' sounds more like they think he did it but it can't be proved rather than they believe he didn't do it. 

No one would phrase the insult the way Bong claimed.  He clearly added the 'you're black' bit.

Bong should be sued for defamation, all but those who've followed this closely will remember is that JR was accused of racism. This doesn't exactly exonerate him does it?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on April 14, 2018, 05:57:31 PM
Happy there's going to be no further action, but 'not proven' sounds more like they think he did it but it can't be proved rather than they believe he didn't do it. 

No one would phrase the insult the way Bong claimed.  He clearly added the 'you're black' bit.

Bong should be sued for defamation, all but those who've followed this closely will remember is that JR was accused of racism. This doesn't exactly exonerate him does it?


It'll all be forgotten about in a week or so. I don't think any mud sticks here at all. Ever since the incident I haven't heard anyone say a bad word about Rodriguez I think everyone was pretty certain he didn't say what he was accused of saying.

Bong either genuinely misheard (possible) or he's being a complete tw&t (equally possible).
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 14, 2018, 06:48:35 PM
Interesting:

What the referee said
Martin Atkinson wrote an extraordinary incident report and also made a witness statement to the FA.

In his evidence, he said: "In the 58th minute as I awarded a goal kick to Brighton, I was aware of a coming together of two players, Bong and Rodriguez.

"As I approached the two players, Bong pointed at Rodriguez and said to me: 'He has been racist.'

"That is when alarm bells started ringing in my head and I knew I needed to speak to the players.

"Bong was insistent that Rodriguez had said something racist. Bong was talking quickly and was clearly upset about he thought had heard.

"Bong told me that JR had said the word 'black' and then something else, but it was not clear what GB said as he was talking so fast and with such emotion."

After the match, Atkinson spoke further to Bong. The FA reported Atkinson as saying Bong "did not appear upset or angry, just certain and insistent about what had happened".

The FA also said that in cross examination Bong said that "he did not say the words 'black something' to the referee, nor did he tell the referee that he had been called a black anything".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/43744840

Scroll through the link for Jay Rodriguez's statement.........
Judging by it J-Rod could also accuse Bong of Racism doubt he will or Possibly Saying Something offensive in French Possibly Covering up Racist or Offensive Comments towards J-Rod Knowing that he could have F****d up.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 14, 2018, 09:03:34 PM
What a bunch of feckin pansies "football" players are today. If they have a prob go outside and sort it out. Wimps.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 14, 2018, 10:15:59 PM
What a bunch of feckin pansies "football" players are today. If they have a prob go outside and sort it out. Wimps.

HaHa!!!

Snowflake Culture sadly isn't it Gloster?

.... can you say snowflake any more?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: glosterbaggie on April 15, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
HaHa!!!

Snowflake Culture sadly isn't it Gloster?

.... can you say snowflake any more?
The more I read the more I despaired of Prem football and the tossers paid obscene amounts to infest what was once a man's game. (Respect to the Women's teams they doing great. Show up those masquerading as "men"). FFFn joke in the scheme of things!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 15, 2018, 04:18:04 PM
The more I read the more I despaired of Prem football and the tossers paid obscene amounts to infest what was once a man's game. (Respect to the Women's teams they doing great. Show up those masquerading as "men"). FFFn joke in the scheme of things!


The women's football teams have more balls. How weird is that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on April 15, 2018, 05:49:58 PM
At least I can watch motd for only the 4th time this season,well done to all concerned and of course,Jrod.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: andibaggy on April 15, 2018, 06:10:10 PM
Awesome bit with Ben and Jay at the end, quality camaraderie!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on April 15, 2018, 06:11:44 PM
He was brilliant today and deserved his goal
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 15, 2018, 06:15:26 PM
Feel he plays a major role for us winning the league next season
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on April 15, 2018, 06:25:09 PM
If he was to stay then yet, I can see him leaving in the summer though
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on April 15, 2018, 06:28:13 PM
Really hope that he stays.
Looks like Fozzy loves him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on April 15, 2018, 07:52:20 PM
Really hope that he stays.
Looks like Fozzy loves him

Yes, that was a nice touch from Fozzy, although JR looked a trifle embarrassed, especially with it being broadcast to the nation and beyond
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on April 15, 2018, 07:55:14 PM
Really hope that he stays.
Looks like Fozzy loves him

I must of missed that. What happened?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on April 15, 2018, 08:06:11 PM
Jay played like a man who had the weight of the world lifted from his shoulders today, you can only imagine what he and his family have been through in the last few months.

I really do hope he stays as he would be a weapon and an asset in the Championship for us. Additionally, he comes across as a decent human being.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on April 15, 2018, 08:26:09 PM
I must of missed that. What happened?
Post match interview with the two of them. Jay was asked about the FA charge, answered it referencing the affect it had on his family and received a hug from Foster swiftly followed by another hug at the end of the interview.

Hopefully Rodriguez stays next season but if he does go we should at least get our money back given that he has (touch wood) stayed fit and now got 11 goals in all comps.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 15, 2018, 08:37:36 PM
I've believed in him all season to be honest, just felt we weren't getting the full player. I really really hope he stays I think there is more in the tank and could end up a true Albion hero.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on April 15, 2018, 08:37:40 PM
I'm hoping J Rod stays. I wasn't sold earlier on in the season but fair play to him he has turned it around and is playing very well. Like someone has already suggested he looks like a player who has had a massive weight lifted off his shoulders today. Would be a real asset in the championship.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie96 on April 15, 2018, 08:40:32 PM
Got to try and keep either rondon or jrod. Rondon has the 16.5mill clause so jrod would be more likely. Should get 20 goals+ in the champ
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on April 15, 2018, 10:03:36 PM
Buzzing for the lad.

Happy his names been cleared and chuffed he has gone and scored the winner today. Seems a honest hard working footballer, takes his tally to 12 if I’m right? I think he will have suitors in the summer just hope we can convince him to stay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 15, 2018, 10:35:01 PM
Will be a vital player for us in the Championship. Could be a league top scorer. That’s if we keep him. I’d expect £20m minimum if we were to sell him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on April 15, 2018, 11:03:56 PM
Let's try and keep him,always rated him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on April 15, 2018, 11:41:03 PM
Showed good positioning and anticipation with his goal today. I really hope we hold onto him. We struggled so long to find strikers and I think he's living up to expectations of why we bought him. Has a good attitude as well.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ripryan1971 on April 16, 2018, 07:23:23 AM
Just like to echo what everyone has put above about J Rod. But the bit i enjoyed the most was, so many times he dropped back deep to make the numbers up in midfield, and several times taking the ball and sprinting away 20 yards to carry us up the pitch.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: darbolina on April 16, 2018, 09:08:49 AM
He does look like he could score a hatful in the championship with a more mobile midfield behind him. He's one I hope we keep as I can see potential for him to become closer to the player he was a few years ago. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 16, 2018, 09:21:13 AM
I hope the powers that be recognise we HAVE to try and keep him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 16, 2018, 09:28:27 AM
Absolutely no loyalty with footballers whatsoever these days, certain players owe us. i hope he stays
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on April 16, 2018, 09:47:57 AM
Anyone notice that his goal came straight off the training ground?

We had an identical corner routine in the first half where Dawson won the header at the back post and put the ball across goal, Rodriguez was in the same position but didn't make the 3 yard run. He was visibily p1ssed with himself for not doing it.

Second half and Dawson wins the same header, this time JRod makes the run and puts it in the net.

Well done Moore, Dawson and JRod.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on April 16, 2018, 09:58:08 AM
Hope Jay and a few others show the same loyalty and commitment that Fozzy has
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on April 16, 2018, 10:01:19 AM
Anyone notice that his goal came straight off the training ground?

We had an identical corner routine in the first half where Dawson won the header at the back post and put the ball across goal, Rodriguez was in the same position but didn't make the 3 yard run. He was visibily p1ssed with himself for not doing it.

Second half and Dawson wins the same header, this time JRod makes the run and puts it in the net.

Well done Moore, Dawson and JRod.

And Nemanja Matic  ;D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiebof on April 16, 2018, 10:06:44 AM
He played really well yesterday and although is no world beater, he is a solid Premier league player who I think would do well in the Championship. He's on a long deal so as long as he doesn't have a release clause, I can see him sticking around next year. If clubs were to come in for him, with the length of time left remaining on his deal, we could and should demand £20m plus. If a bid of that size did come in though, we should let him go as he will be 29 in the summer.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on April 16, 2018, 10:15:33 AM
I thought he was outstanding yesterday. The last ten games or so he's really improved . He had a terrible injury and maybe he's only really got back to what he was of late.

As others have said we need to keep either him or Rondon next season either of them are more than capable of 20 goals.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on April 16, 2018, 10:24:07 AM
He may also be emerging from the shackles of a former Head Coach's "football" philosophy as well as approaching a level of fitness after long injury lay offs
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on April 16, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
He may also be emerging from the shackles of a former Head Coach's "football" philosophy as well as approaching a level of fitness after long injury lay offs


I'm not sure whether you are talking about Pulis or Pardew but it seems clear from what the players are saying that they couldn't stand Pardew and didn't know what they were meant to be doing on the pitch. Can't say I blame them I could never understand what we were supposed to be doing either. Bloody atrocious manager Pardew was.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on April 16, 2018, 10:32:48 AM
He may also be emerging from the shackles of a former Head Coach's "football" philosophy as well as approaching a level of fitness after long injury lay offs

I think the point concerning fitness certainly has merits. Earlier in the season, for me, he didn't look particularly mobile which did appear to be hampering him significantly. I do feel we would see a different player in the Championship next season and he would be a goal machine at that level
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on April 16, 2018, 12:47:56 PM
 I see that Chris Hughton bongs manager is disappointed with the decision in some way,why's that I wonder?
Can't he accept the decision without commenting further?
Let it go man,its over,not proven.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on April 17, 2018, 09:24:07 AM
made the Daily Star's team of the weekend along with Ben Foster.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/696483/Premier-League-team-of-the-week-Liverpool-Chelsea-Manchester-City-West-Brom-sportgalleries
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on April 17, 2018, 10:34:18 AM
I haven't been a fan for much of this season but can't deny that our 2 best performances were also his.
Think we will cash in in the summer, will probably even turn a profit, but won't be too disappointed if he is part of our assault on the Championship next year.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on April 17, 2018, 12:51:47 PM
I haven't been a fan for much of this season but can't deny that our 2 best performances were also his.
Think we will cash in in the summer, will probably even turn a profit, but won't be too disappointed if he is part of our assault on the Championship next year.

I would be delighted to see him with us next year. He is our highest scorer this year despite having fewer games and being pushed out of position
However I do think someone will take him off us
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2018, 05:43:41 PM
If we can keep just one of him or Rondon this summer we will, I believe, have a 20+ goalscorer in the Championship.  Five players stated to have release clauses, four to my knowledge have been leaked to the media (Evans, Dawson, Chadli, Rondon) I suspect the 5th is either Rodriguez or Livermore, hope it's the latter.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBASweden on April 17, 2018, 05:45:06 PM
If we can keep just one of him or Rondon this summer we will, I believe, have a 20+ goalscorer in the Championship.  Five players stated to have release clauses, four to my knowledge have been leaked to the media (Evans, Dawson, Chadli, Rondon) I suspect the 5th is either Rodriguez or Livermore, hope it's the latter.

I thought it only were 4 players?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on April 17, 2018, 11:36:34 PM
If we can keep just one of him or Rondon this summer we will, I believe, have a 20+ goalscorer in the Championship.  Five players stated to have release clauses, four to my knowledge have been leaked to the media (Evans, Dawson, Chadli, Rondon) I suspect the 5th is either Rodriguez or Livermore, hope it's the latter.

I reckon the last one is either Gibbs or Foster.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kirk on April 18, 2018, 07:05:51 PM
I see Bong has come out in the press and again has accused Jay of calling him black. the FA must take action, the football club should be making their feelings clear to the governing body and Jay should pursue leagal action.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mifos on April 18, 2018, 07:31:06 PM
I see Bong has come out in the press and again has accused Jay of calling him black. If the FA must take action, the football club should be making their feelings clear to the governing body and Jay should pursue leagal action.

Err, he is black ...

He needs to let it go.  Clearly made a false allegation in the heat if the moment and can't back down now without looking bad
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on April 18, 2018, 08:01:44 PM
The case is ‘non proven’ and yet Jay is still being called a liar. A job for your legal team, Jay. You shouldn’t have to put up with this nonsense any longer
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on April 18, 2018, 09:49:54 PM
Chris Hughton is generally respected but he's been out of order commenting on this after the FA outcome. It's one man's word against another with no proof either way, any comments especially from managers should have stopped with the verdict.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 17GD on April 19, 2018, 01:16:06 AM
What annoys me about Bong is that within a few days of making the allegation, he was putting stuff out on social media about being "the black panther". It's like, you just accused someone of calling you black and now you're saying stuff about being black...seems like you're the one with the colour issues, no one else!

It's been handled well by Jay, just hope everyone can move on and forget it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jimmy on April 19, 2018, 10:51:36 AM
I wouldn't recommend reading the Brighton fans forum about this topic. Complete and utter delusion by most.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on April 19, 2018, 12:30:20 PM
I wouldn't recommend reading the Brighton fans forum about this topic. Complete and utter delusion by most.


I don't know about anyone else but I have no intention of reading it.

It's over and done with and it's taking up no more of my time / life. If Bong can't let it go it's his problem and his life he's letting it control.

Let him get on with it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on April 19, 2018, 12:52:55 PM
I see Bong has come out in the press and again has accused Jay of calling him black. the FA must take action, the football club should be making their feelings clear to the governing body and Jay should pursue leagal action.

He's 'advised' by the same PR/communications/media company as Saido Berahino.

Just saying.........

http://www.polaris-media.co.uk/clients
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on April 19, 2018, 01:18:32 PM
In a perverse way I believe that the more Bong goes on about it the better it is for JRod as anyone who had sympathy with Bong now think he is trying to justify his untrue allegation. Anyway is old news now
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on April 19, 2018, 05:17:38 PM
In a perverse way I believe that the more Bong goes on about it the better it is for JRod as anyone who had sympathy with Bong now think he is trying to justify his untrue allegation. Anyway is old news now
Let's hope jrod dosen t say much more about it, bong might take it the wrong way
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on April 19, 2018, 05:44:02 PM
Let's hope jrod dosen t say much more about it, bong might take it the wrong way

I agree, but not because Bong might take it the wrong way, but because it’s been settled by an independent panel, that’s the end of it.

If JR responds, where will it end? The problem is Bong’s he needs to get over it no matter how clear his conscious is, it’s over move on!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BB74 on April 28, 2018, 09:24:03 PM
Defender Bong accused West Brom's Burnley-born striker Jay Rodriguez of racially abusing him during a match in January, a charge found "not proven".

Burnley fans chanted "Jay Rodriguez, he's one of our own" as well as booing Bong whenever he touched the ball.

"I was incredibly surprised, I must admit. I certainly didn't expect it," said Hughton.

"I thought the reaction of the Burnley supporters towards Gaetan was shameful.

"He's an incredibly disciplined and straight individual - as honest a person as you will meet.

"It's something that happened, it's not nice at all, and of course he's big enough and strong enough to cope with it."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43937329 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43937329)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on April 28, 2018, 11:07:31 PM
Funny that,I thought Hughton was talking about Jrod for a minute!
I know who I believe.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on April 28, 2018, 11:10:24 PM
I think Bong's like an idiot kid who's told a porky and now can't back down, he's just painting himself more and more into a corner and so's Hughton now.

The FA were too scared of racism issues to say so, so they went for the old Scottish "not proven" to try to make it go away.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2018, 11:10:32 PM
Still not convinced who's telling the truth
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 29, 2018, 02:15:02 AM
After the Burnley fans treatment of Jason Roberts, I’m not sure Jay really wants them on his side.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on April 29, 2018, 07:55:32 PM
Defender Bong accused West Brom's Burnley-born striker Jay Rodriguez of racially abusing him during a match in January, a charge found "not proven".

Burnley fans chanted "Jay Rodriguez, he's one of our own" as well as booing Bong whenever he touched the ball.

"I was incredibly surprised, I must admit. I certainly didn't expect it," said Hughton.

"I thought the reaction of the Burnley supporters towards Gaetan was shameful.

"He's an incredibly disciplined and straight individual - as honest a person as you will meet.

"It's something that happened, it's not nice at all, and of course he's big enough and strong enough to cope with it."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43937329 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43937329)

I wonder if the Burnley fans were trying to egg their board on to secure Jay Rod in the summer. I can't imagine we'd do likewise for one of our ex-players. I do remember cheering Gera when he came back here with Fulham, but can't think of any current examples of ex-players I'd want back.
And..... I hope our board make a big effort to keep JayRod at the club.  He scores frequently and could be one of our key players next year.  We would struggle to pick up a proper replacement if he leaves.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 30, 2018, 01:09:07 PM
It's all a bit ethically dodgy now. Bong obviously thought he had a complaint, but it's the comparative behavior since that hasn't shown him in the best light.

Whatever verdict the FA recorded, it should be left behind now.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Avonbaggie on May 01, 2018, 05:57:27 PM
Not sure this is going anywhere soon with Brighton getting the police to look into whether there were monkey chants from the crowd during the Burnley game..
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WoysWunderful on May 02, 2018, 01:17:47 PM
Not sure this is going anywhere soon with Brighton getting the police to look into whether there were monkey chants from the crowd during the Burnley game..

Its beyond us now.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on May 30, 2018, 03:47:24 PM
"West Brom ready to fight to keep Jay Rodriguez"

I really do hope we can hold on to him and reject offers no matter how tempting

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/05/30/west-brom-ready-to-fight-to-keep-jay-rodriguez/
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on May 30, 2018, 04:03:20 PM
"West Brom ready to fight to keep Jay Rodriguez"

I really do hope we can hold on to him and reject offers no matter how tempting

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/05/30/west-brom-ready-to-fight-to-keep-jay-rodriguez/

Hopefully we can keep him but if he goes for say around £15m and Rondon goes for around the same, there goes our strike force.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on May 30, 2018, 05:01:45 PM
Hopefully we can keep him but if he goes for say around £15m and Rondon goes for around the same, there goes our strike force.
I doubt we would be able to hold onto Rondon and Jay Rod, in which case I'd go all out to hold onto Jay. Though he's also missed some sitters, he is the more clinical and natural goalscorer of the two. He probably couldn't manage the target man role like Rondon, but it's usually easier finding a target man than a natural goalscorer. It's also clear that Jay Rod sits well and is highly regarded within the group.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on May 30, 2018, 05:39:42 PM
Hopefully we can keep him but if he goes for say around £15m and Rondon goes for around the same, there goes our strike force.
Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on May 30, 2018, 05:46:20 PM
Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?

I think there was a little bit more to it than a strike force to be honest, don't you think?   ;)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on May 30, 2018, 06:31:37 PM
Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?

So are you blaming 2 players for getting us relegated then?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DaveWBA on May 30, 2018, 07:32:44 PM
Anything over £15m and we bite their hands off.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on May 30, 2018, 08:25:39 PM
Anything over £15m and we bite their hands off.
b,ham mail reckon it's understood that he's in talks with Burnley about a £20m transfer.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiejohn on May 30, 2018, 09:04:03 PM
b,ham mail reckon it's understood that he's in talks with Burnley about a £20m transfer.

Don't the clubs have to agree a fee first, not sure that we have.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on May 30, 2018, 09:24:57 PM
I really do hope we can hold on to him and reject offers no matter how tempting
Ultimately, if players want to go then they'll go one way or another. I don't know whether Rodriguez wants to go or not, but they rarely turn down the opportunity to play in the Premier League, along with the much higher wages it commands. Footballers' careers are short and they will look to maximise the income they get for the benefit of themselves and their families.

I'm also sure we won't be turning down tempting offers.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 30, 2018, 09:27:23 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if he returned to Burnley, he's from the area and well thought of by them up there so playing for them in the Prem would be a dream come true for him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on May 30, 2018, 10:02:40 PM
If 20mil  is the real amount then I would let him go in a heartbeat. I love his desire and passion for the game but right now an 8mil profit along with some other sales could help shape a decent balanced team, something we haven't had for many years.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on May 30, 2018, 11:44:41 PM
Rumours going round that he's happy to stay at club, but if we get a silly offer north of 25 million I'd take it and invest in first team
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on May 31, 2018, 09:43:16 AM
Striker in demand
Jay Rodriguez is expected to fetch around £12million this summer - but the Baggies want at least 50 per-cent more.

It's understood that Albion value the forward, who bagged 11 times last season, at around £18million.

But sources have told Birmingham Live that interested clubs are currently prepared to pay £12million, the same price that Rodriguez was signed for from Southampton last summer.

Burnley and Bournemouth are the front-runners if Rodriguez leaves but Crystal Palace are also thought to be keen.

I would not sell for £12m, he's of greater value to us than that

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/cutbacks-west-brom-begin-two-14726470
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2018, 11:46:55 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if he returned to Burnley, he's from the area and well thought of by them up there so playing for them in the Prem would be a dream come true for him

Not just the Prem but also European football.

I really hope we can keep him, but IF he wants to go then we should cash in as long as the money is right. I think £18M is about right as his value to us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on May 31, 2018, 12:52:19 PM
If we get £20 million for him, take it. We can invest in some decent players with that cash.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on May 31, 2018, 12:54:49 PM
A 25 per season Championship striker is worth £20m MINIMUM these days. That’s what I believe Rodriguez is. We should be looking at £25m.

I think Rodriguez will be the difference between promotion or not for us next season, I really do.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 31, 2018, 01:11:44 PM
Goalscorers are not easy to come by, even with parachute payments burning a hole in your back pocket, I think we should do all we can to keep him.  Will bag us 20+ goals in the Championship.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on May 31, 2018, 01:29:43 PM
If we're thinking of letting him go I hope we have suitable replacements.
We need the likes of Vydra and Gayle if we're serious about promotion.
HRK needs to be escorted off site as well, I wouldn't keep him as back up.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on May 31, 2018, 01:47:16 PM
A 25 per season Championship striker is worth £20m MINIMUM these days. That’s what I believe Rodriguez is. We should be looking at £25m.

I think Rodriguez will be the difference between promotion or not for us next season, I really do.

What are you basing that goal rate on, he's never scored more than 15 goals in a season in the Championship and only scored 7 league goals last season, do you honestly think he'd be able to get nearly 4 times that in the Championship?.

I do think he'd be good for around 15-18 goals in the Championship and I really hope we can keep him.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on May 31, 2018, 11:47:39 PM
So are you blaming 2 players for getting us relegated then?
Not really, just couldn't resist it.  If we can keep either of them I will be very happy.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on June 01, 2018, 01:28:08 AM
Would that be the strike force that got us relegated?

Rodriguez spent most of the season playing in the hole behind Rondon (whose link play is abysmal) or being shunted out to the wing. Last game of the season he was playing in midfield out wide. He also had a spell on the bench. Despite all of that he was still our top goalscorer. The few chances he got to play right up front through the middle he was brilliant, Liverpool away in the cup for example. Sadly from my point of view that wasn't his usual role, Rondon had that mantle. I would very much like to keep J-Rod but can understand why Burnley & Bournemouth are interested. We should be holding out for £20m north IMV, as any sale should be a reluctant one.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: jamesh_91 on June 02, 2018, 01:52:17 PM
Under no circumstances should we be selling this lad. If he stays fit for all of next season I expect him to be the league's top goalscorer.

That would mean we would be right up there for promotion. I don't expect we will be willing to sell many players if our finances don't require us to do so aside from the dead weight and those who have release clauses that we can't prevent from leaving anyway.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on June 02, 2018, 05:05:11 PM
I'm torn.

On the one hand I think he's not a great footballer - his build up play is abysmal and even his finishing can be poor sometimes.

On the other hand I think he'd get 20+ goals in the Championship, which as has been said usually means £15-20 million in todays market.
With that in mind, I wouldn't just sell him and spend the same amount trying to replace him. Unless it was £20 million plus I'd keep him for next season at least and hopefully we don't sell him and try to replace him for £3 million on something.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on June 02, 2018, 05:33:29 PM
Not really, just couldn't resist it.  If we can keep either of them I will be very happy.

Fair comment!. I think they could tear up the Championship if given the chance.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 02, 2018, 07:35:48 PM
Under no circumstances should we be selling this lad.
What if an acceptable bid comes in for him and he wants to leave?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dan87uk on June 05, 2018, 12:48:10 PM
If it's £20mill as reported below then I suspect we'll be taking Burnley's arm off for it...

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/burnley-west-brom-jay-rodriguez-14736925 (https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/burnley-west-brom-jay-rodriguez-14736925)

West Brom striker Jay Rodriguez has been linked with a summer return to Burnley - and he's now odds-on to make the move.

Rodriguez , who is also wanted by Bournemouth as well as the Clarets according to reports, scored seven goals in the Premier League last season as Albion were relegated.

The Baggies remain braced for interest in the 28-year-old and will demand around £20m to allow him to leave The Hawthorns.

Sean Dyche is understood to rate Rodriguez highly and wants to bring him back to Burnley.

Rodriguez was a boyhood fan of the club, scored 41 times in 128 appearances in his previous spell at Turf Moor and was the subject of interest from them last summer, before Albion nabbed him from Southampton.


And he's now odds-on to sign for Burnley with Sky Bet who are offering a price of 2/5 that he signs for them during the transfer window.

Rodriguez started his career as a trainee at the club before moving to Southampton in 2012.

It was at Burnley where he worked alongside current Bournemouth chief Eddie Howe and the pair remain close.

However his agent, Gary Mellor, told BirminghamLive last month that the player has no burning desire to uproot.

“He’s not spoken to me about looking to leave,” Mellor revealed at the time. “We’ll assess the situation in the summer.

“He’s contracted for another three years. West Bromwich Albion have a big say in that.

“Maybe West Bromwich Albion will want to move him out, we don’t know.

“I’ve not had that conversation yet. Every player’s agent will be having conversations when the season is done and dusted as to what the club’s plans are.”
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DaveWBA on June 05, 2018, 12:52:31 PM
£20m?! Thanks and see you later, Jay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: geoff on June 05, 2018, 07:03:44 PM
£20m?! Thanks and see you later, Jay.

Can you please tell me why for a mear £20m you would sell jay, who i believe has said he is willing to stay & fight for a return back to the prem.

The club should 100% pull out all the stops to keep him here along with Rondom, Dawson & Gibbs
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on June 17, 2018, 10:15:35 AM
Just read we are interested in taking Nanki Wells from Burnley . Could this be part of the Dawson/ Jay Rod deal ?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Blowee on June 17, 2018, 01:35:51 PM
Can you please tell me why for a mear £20m you would sell jay, who i believe has said he is willing to stay & fight for a return back to the prem.

The club should 100% pull out all the stops to keep him here along with Rondom, Dawson & Gibbs
It would be great if we could keep all three but I guess it also depends whether we can afford their salaries. Even with flex-down clauses (if they have them) we may need to look at cheaper options.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on June 17, 2018, 01:42:20 PM
I hope we can keep him but as the old saying goes everyone has their price.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on June 17, 2018, 01:48:09 PM
Club are looking for 24 million for his services and he is willing to stay and try and get club promoted.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 17, 2018, 02:16:43 PM
Club are looking for 24 million for his services and he is willing to stay and try and get club promoted.
Where's this information from please?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on June 17, 2018, 03:14:59 PM
Where's this information from please?
multiple media outlets since window opened, won't rock boat in getting move and willing to stay but club have 24 million valuation
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on June 17, 2018, 03:18:14 PM
If its true that he wants to stay and help us get promotion, good for him good for us,shows a strength of his character and in his ability,I welcome that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on June 17, 2018, 03:53:55 PM
If he said that he's worth 2 players, keep at all costs
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 17, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
If its true that he wants to stay and help us get promotion, good for him good for us,shows a strength of his character and in his ability,I welcome that.

It's a lovely thought isn't it. Loyalty is extremely rare these days and we need some new Albion heroes. JRod would be great in a promotion push IMO.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2018, 08:47:10 PM
The way I see it is: If my club signed Jay Rodriguez for £24 million I would be very very disappointed and extremely underwhelmed.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on June 17, 2018, 09:20:59 PM
But we only paid £12 mil was it, so what's your point.
Good business for us eh?
Who cares in hypothesis?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2018, 09:24:12 PM
But we only paid £12 mil was it, so what's your point.
Good business for us eh?
Who cares in hypothesis?


My point is he's not worth £24 million. I'd happily take £18 million. Which would be a decent profit.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on June 17, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
And who could we replace him with?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 17, 2018, 09:45:08 PM
And who could we replace him with?


Numerous other average strikers...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 17, 2018, 11:13:22 PM
I think once the asking price is north of £20m we are effectively pricing Rodriguez out of a move. He is 29 next month and last season really must be considered his last one at his peak. Trying to squeeze out another season from a 32 year old Rodriguez is where you end up if you give him a 3 year deal which is the minimum most mid level Premier League teams would need to offer to justify that sort of fee.

If we were in the Premier League I would sell him on in a heartbeat but it will be a real challenge to replace him in the Championship and with Rondon it would be better to retain him.  Yet if we were promoted he would need to be replaced if not from the squad then certainly in the starting XI
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on June 17, 2018, 11:27:34 PM
I didn't realise that strikers are finished at 28,when did that happen?
His best season was last season?
So if he drops down a league,is he still over the hill or does he get one more season as his last?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 18, 2018, 07:11:38 AM
I didn't realise that strikers are finished at 28,when did that happen?
His best season was last season?
So if he drops down a league,is he still over the hill or does he get one more season as his last?

Did I say finished?

If you look at forwards they will have about 4 or 5 years at their peak and that is generally between the ages of 23/24 to 28/29. Some peak earlier and also decline earlier. What the post peak player looks like depends on a multiple factors and how much of a post peak career they have also varies. However at 28/29 he isn't going to improve and he will go into decline at some point during the next few seasons and that decline could be quite sharp.

Dropping down a level helps and that is one of the main arguments for keeping him but the following season if we are promoted we are one season further away from his peak years and we are asking him to step back up a level I suspect that won't go well. 

Best season? The one at Southampton before he picked up his knee ligament injury aged 24 but his best season after that last year.

We bought him for £14m with a question mark over his long term fitness last season at least put that to bed but regrettably he is running out of career and won't recapture the form of 4/5 seasons ago.

I agree with Jacko if we were a Premier League club and we spent £24m on him I wouldn't be happy. We spent £10m less a year ago but gave him a 4 year contract which was a little foolhardy but year one of that gamble worked out okay. Although how well the subsequent years work out remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 18, 2018, 07:52:03 AM

My point is he's not worth £24 million. I'd happily take £18 million. Which would be a decent profit.
if you think Jay is only worth £18m why do you think Rondon is worth £30m? both 28 years of age both scored 7 goals from 37 matches last season. both bring different attributes to the team but primarily it's to score goa!s so very little to choose between them. personally I'd prefer to keep Rondon but I don't think there's a £12m difference in worth. I reckon both are worth around £20m each but as we know footballs gone daft where moneys concerned.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 18, 2018, 08:14:46 AM

My point is he's not worth £24 million. I'd happily take £18 million. Which would be a decent profit.

i'd prefer to take £24 million
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 18, 2018, 08:40:39 AM
i'd prefer to take £24 million

Haha spoken like a true Jezza!  ;)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jordie1471 on June 18, 2018, 11:09:24 AM
I'd be snap accepting a £20 million bid if I was on the board.

Surely we have learnt our lessons of the past holding onto players for too long into their 30's and then losing any re-sale value?

Who cares that he has come out in the press and said he is 'committed to fight for promotion' or whatever.

Any new signing should be up for a fight too.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on June 18, 2018, 11:16:10 AM
I'd be snap accepting a £20 million bid if I was on the board.

Surely we have learnt our lessons of the past holding onto players for too long into their 30's and then losing any re-sale value?

Who cares that he has come out in the press and said he is 'committed to fight for promotion' or whatever.

Any new signing should be up for a fight too.

I think the club know that if jay does stay he’s arguably the best striker in the championship and should score 20+ for us and then we know he’s good enough for prem IF we get back up.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on June 18, 2018, 02:50:04 PM
Just read we are interested in taking Nanki Wells from Burnley . Could this be part of the Dawson/ Jay Rod deal ?
I don't know alot about Nanki Wells, apart from the fact he failed to start once for Burnley last season, but if he's a makeweight for a Jay Rod transfer, you can be 100% certain  Burnley will be getting the better end of the deal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on June 18, 2018, 02:53:58 PM

Numerous other average strikers...

Really? Took us long enough to find Jay Rod. Not holding my breath about having an adequate goalscoring  striker in place before end of the transfer window. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 18, 2018, 04:05:09 PM
The whole Rodriguez will score 20+ goals in The Championship is based on what? Don't remember too many people clamouring for him to play up front this season when he wasn't so don't understand why all of a sudden he is capable of doing what Kevin Phillips did for us?

Do people know the real reason why Burnley are willing to pay so much for Rodriguez? Because that has been overlooked by everyone.

They're willing to overpay for a reason that no other club will, so if they're willing to pay £24m I'd snap their hands off. No other club will be in a rush to pay over £15m in my opinion. I'd echo Jacko's sentiments, imagine if we were spending that amount on a Rodriguez, we'd be furious.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: miggybaggy on June 18, 2018, 04:14:11 PM
The whole Rodriguez will score 20+ goals in The Championship is based on what? Don't remember too many people clamouring for him to play up front this season when he wasn't so don't understand why all of a sudden he is capable of doing what Kevin Phillips did for us?

Do people know the real reason why Burnley are willing to pay so much for Rodriguez? Because that has been overlooked by everyone.

They're willing to overpay for a reason that no other club will, so if they're willing to pay £24m I'd snap their hands off. No other club will be in a rush to pay over £15m in my opinion. I'd echo Jacko's sentiments, imagine if we were spending that amount on a Rodriguez, we'd be furious.

Absolutely. I like Jay Rod, but the whole sorry saga of the last couple of seasons needs unravelling so that we can make a fresh start with some new blood.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 18, 2018, 04:23:53 PM
Absolutely. I like Jay Rod, but the whole sorry saga of the last couple of seasons needs unravelling so that we can make a fresh start with some new blood.

It's not just that though. If he stays and scores 20+ goals then guess how much he's worth? Still £24m at best! None of the clubs of the top 4 scoring players in The Championship last season were promoted either, just throw that one in there.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: telford baggie on June 18, 2018, 05:30:32 PM
let JR go and bring in nakhi wells haha exactly why moore will lead us to a bottom half season
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 18, 2018, 06:34:22 PM
let JR go and bring in nakhi wells haha exactly why moore will lead us to a bottom half season

Love these forums this time of year. Nothing but negativity and doom and gloom. The club will only sell JR if they get a offer to good to refuse and Nakhi Wells has got a decent goal scoring record at our level now so I really don't see a problem?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie96 on June 18, 2018, 07:53:42 PM
Wells is like grabban, no where near good enough in the prem but scores goals in the championship
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on June 19, 2018, 07:43:46 PM
a few reports saying we've turned down a £12m offer from Burnley.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 19, 2018, 07:59:43 PM
I asked a question regarding his importance to Burnley and why his value increases in terms of selling to them. Next year they'll have to include X amount of Club trained players in their European squad. JRod is arguably one of the best players they could buy who fits that bill.

Would explain their willingness to pay over the odds, and if they're not well we should make them.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on June 19, 2018, 07:59:57 PM
a few reports saying we've turned down a £12m offer from Burnley.
I should hope so.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on June 19, 2018, 08:10:00 PM
I should hope so.
We are not registered as a charity! We may have been relegated but I hope our chairman only sells players for what we value them.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 19, 2018, 09:17:54 PM
Report in the Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5862147/West-Bromwich-Albion-reject-Burnleys-opening-bid-12m-striker-Jay-Rodriguez.html

Suggests an offer in the region £12m. I can understand both clubs. There is no way Burnley should be looking to pay very much more than we paid 12 months ago nor should we be selling in our current position.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: victor mature on June 19, 2018, 09:41:38 PM
When we bought him for £12m that was after he'd been out for nearly a year with a serious knee injury. We wouldn't have got him at that price otherwise. If we're selling, I'd be looking for @£16m-17m
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 20, 2018, 12:52:14 AM
Insulting opening offer. Let's go bid ten million for their center back who I won't dare try to spell his name just to see how they like it  :P
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba_1996 on June 20, 2018, 01:28:05 AM
Insulting opening offer. Let's go bid ten million for their center back who I won't dare try to spell his name just to see how they like it  :P

Tbf he's worth about £16m in this market. I wouldn't accept anything below £20m purely because there's no way his replacement is going to be as good whilst we're in this league. If we were in the Prem I'd hate us spending that sort of money on a 29 year old JRod.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on June 20, 2018, 02:52:55 AM
Tbf he's worth about £16m in this market. I wouldn't accept anything below £20m purely because there's no way his replacement is going to be as good whilst we're in this league. If we were in the Prem I'd hate us spending that sort of money on a 29 year old JRod.

If we had just qualified for the Europa league I'd rather us take a punt on someone for the same figure from overseas. Spending 16 /20 million on a 29 year old Jay Rod is a joke for a Europa league team.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 20, 2018, 01:14:13 PM
If we had just qualified for the Europa league I'd rather us take a punt on someone for the same figure from overseas. Spending 16 /20 million on a 29 year old Jay Rod is a joke for a Europa league team.

They have a Club Grown player quota to meet though and JRod will help them do that. Agree though I'd be disappointed if I was them. Would sooner just throw 4 youngsters into the squad reg.

Skysports reporting he's keen to move there and we're willing to do business at £18m+
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Yardley on June 20, 2018, 06:37:57 PM
If we can get quoted 25 million for Deeney then I’d say Rodriguez is worth that when you consider he is younger and has a better goal ratio
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 20, 2018, 06:50:06 PM
Would like to keep Jay, but in any event, not sure how his fitness would stand up to the rigours of the Championship
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on June 20, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
They have a Club Grown player quota to meet though and JRod will help them do that. Agree though I'd be disappointed if I was them. Would sooner just throw 4 youngsters into the squad reg.

Skysports reporting he's keen to move there and we're willing to do business at £18m+
£18m+ would be a sensible price. They know what he's got in his game and he's likely to improve further with the confidence a full season under his belt gives him. I'd like to keep him but if he wants to go and we get £18m - 20m then I'd let him go. Not keen on keeping players who wish they were somewhere else regardless of the contract.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 21, 2018, 08:38:03 AM
Insulting opening offer. Let's go bid ten million for their center back who I won't dare try to spell his name just to see how they like it  :P

it's easy mate B.E.N. M.E.E.   :P

back to Rodriguez. I think it's only the Daily Mail that have said he wants to leave, other news outlets like HITC have then repeated it. I'm sure I read that he wasn't looking to move and also that the club have said he will only move if we don't sell Rondon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on June 22, 2018, 10:35:44 AM
Don't need to sell players so wouldn't entertain Burnley unless they pay over 24 million for him. 18 million could be upfront valuation, with add ons deal could be worth north of 20 million plus. Still we need a new striker and if we let him leave we need two.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on June 22, 2018, 10:51:55 AM
We shouldn’t be selling him. Let’s get Rondon out for his sell on clause, keep J-Rod and buy another two strikers to improve the squad. He seems to be sort not to kick up a fuss and we’ll need him to get out of this league and next year. Same with Dawson. No point selling our best players which will only weaken us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 22, 2018, 11:03:27 AM
We shouldn’t be selling him. Let’s get Rondon out for his sell on clause, keep J-Rod and buy another two strikers to improve the squad. He seems to be sort not to kick up a fuss and we’ll need him to get out of this league and next year. Same with Dawson. No point selling our best players which will only weaken us.
That's how I feel about it.
 I'd be happy if we could get any 2 of Reid, Vydra, Gray or even Abel Hernandez as I think they could all work well with Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 22, 2018, 01:37:51 PM
We shouldn’t be selling him. Let’s get Rondon out for his sell on clause, keep J-Rod and buy another two strikers to improve the squad. He seems to be sort not to kick up a fuss and we’ll need him to get out of this league and next year. Same with Dawson. No point selling our best players which will only weaken us.


The irony. You say don't sell our best players while advocating the sale of probably our best player...  :-X
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on June 22, 2018, 01:52:38 PM

The irony. You say don't sell our best players while advocating the sale of probably our best player...  :-X

I know your in love with the ”none-goalscoring no first touch take a dive Rondon” but I think he’s rubbish :)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 22, 2018, 02:01:02 PM
He seems to be sort not to kick up a fuss and we’ll need him to get out of this league and next year. Same with Dawson.
They haven't had much reason to kick up a fuss until now, but relegation could easily change that. They have to maximise their income for their families' sake in what is a short career. Therefore, it's quite likely that they'll be hoping someone at a higher level comes in with an acceptable deal without the need for them (or their agents to more precise) to have to try to engineer a move.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on June 22, 2018, 02:15:45 PM
I know your in love with the ”none-goalscoring no first touch take a dive Rondon” but I think he’s rubbish :)

Can I second that. I ask the following
1.Would you trust Rondon to take a penalty ?
2. Would you be confident he would score a ‘one on one’ with the keeper ?
Nor me
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: miggybaggy on June 22, 2018, 03:26:41 PM
Can I second that. I ask the following
1.Would you trust Rondon to take a penalty ?
2. Would you be confident he would score a ‘one on one’ with the keeper ?
Nor me

Me neither. Personally,  I'd love to see Jay Rod and Vydra up front for us next season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on June 22, 2018, 04:39:50 PM
I think we need to bring in two new strikers to supplement J-Rod. Bobby Reid & Vydra would fit the bill. I’d like to think we can convince J-Rod to give it 12 months with us to try to bounce back. After all we took a gamble on him after all his injuries. He also seems far more level headed and decent than a lot of footballers.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on June 22, 2018, 07:18:44 PM

The irony. You say don't sell our best players while advocating the sale of probably our best player...  :-X
I think the point is Rondon has a sell on clause, so we have to let him go if the offers right.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on June 23, 2018, 09:09:46 AM
I think our position is that we probably have to retain at least one of Rondon or Rodriguez. With Rondon having a release clause we cannot let Rodriguez go or at least ways not for the sort of sum that a well run club like Burnley is likely to offer.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 23, 2018, 11:45:32 AM
I think our position is that we probably have to retain at least one of Rondon or Rodriguez.
Both are replaceable, so it's not a prospect that I'm too fearful about as long as we don't spend weeks faffing about.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 23, 2018, 01:13:23 PM
Both are replaceable, so it's not a prospect that I'm too fearful about as long as we don't spend weeks faffing about.

You could argue we already have.

We know one striker, could be JR, will go, so let's pull our fingers out and sign one or two strikers. We have 1 weekend before the players return.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 23, 2018, 01:17:54 PM
You could argue we already have.
I'm certainly inclined to agree with that, everything's seemingly going at a snail's pace at present.

We have 1 week before the players return.
We don't actually - they're back in on Monday!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 23, 2018, 01:42:25 PM
I'm certainly inclined to agree with that, everything's seemingly going at a snail's pace at present.
We don't actually - they're back in on Monday!

Blimey. That soon. Cannot abide by this idea the world cup slows it all down. Other clubs are being aggressive and signing players.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on June 23, 2018, 02:47:53 PM
Blimey. That soon. Cannot abide by this idea the world cup slows it all down. Other clubs are being aggressive and signing players.
which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: stubba on June 23, 2018, 05:05:02 PM
which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.
Forest have signed 4
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on June 23, 2018, 05:45:19 PM
Forest have signed 4

Forest have Mendes doing there transfers this season though, they are the wolves of last season
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Blowee on June 23, 2018, 06:05:45 PM
which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.
Most Championship sides will only need to make two or three changes. We might need a few more than that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B714LF on June 23, 2018, 06:05:55 PM
No player should be kept who doesnt want to stay.  I've had my fill of players who want out being kept. One proviso is that our valuation and terms are met.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on June 23, 2018, 06:52:50 PM
I know Stoke have signed 2 but it's a bit more complicated for the sides coming down. Presumably we don't know if Rondon is actually going to go (if the agents fee + potential signing on fee, on top of the release clause amount is putting Newcastle off it may well put others off also). Whether Rondon goes or not may well determine whether Rodriguez goes. Then we don't know if Dawson will actually go. We expect Chadli to go but we are not sure. Then there's the others Livermore, Phillips, Gibbs, McLean. It's a pretty complicated picture in fairness. Hopefully less complicated for DM but no doubt still complicated. It's going to be a very busy final 4 or 5 weeks of the window for a lot of clubs.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 23, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
which clubs are aggressively signing players, other than stoke who have signed 2 and Man Utd I’m struggling to think of anyone who is signing players of note that will be in direct competition with us.

Blackburn (2 in)
Brentford (1 in)
Bristol City (1 in)
Norwich City (1 in)
Nottm Forest (5 in)
PNE (4 in)
Reading (3 in)
Sheff Utd (1 in)
Stoke (2 in)
Wigan (1 in)

Worth noting that at this moment in time we have lost more squad players than any other Championship side too (4)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on June 23, 2018, 08:59:48 PM
Blackburn (2 in)
Brentford (1 in)
Bristol City (1 in)
Norwich City (1 in)
Nottm Forest (5 in)
PNE (4 in)
Reading (3 in)
Sheff Utd (1 in)
Stoke (2 in)
Wigan (1 in)

Worth noting that at this moment in time we have lost more squad players than any other Championship side too (4)
Not a bad thing when you look at whose gone including the loanees.
Only really sorry to see Yacob go. GMac is finished
We will have to replace those that have gone, so should be an interesting month or so
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 23, 2018, 09:09:19 PM
Jay, when on form can beat most others to set up our team or even score!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on June 23, 2018, 09:22:23 PM
Blackburn (2 in)
Brentford (1 in)
Bristol City (1 in)
Norwich City (1 in)
Nottm Forest (5 in)
PNE (4 in)
Reading (3 in)
Sheff Utd (1 in)
Stoke (2 in)
Wigan (1 in)

Worth noting that at this moment in time we have lost more squad players than any other Championship side too (4)
Apart from maybe Stoke, all those mentioned do not have 3 or 4 players with relegation release clauses who will certainly interest a few premier league teams....and another 3 or 4 who will interest some sides in the premier league. The picture will be a lot clearer if you've been in the Championship last year. At least the retained list is out of the way bar Morrison...we need to kick into gear but there are likely to be some protracted negotiations going on for outgoings and incomings. You can't go full out on signings until you are confident about who are likely to be going and so far it's just Evans, G-Mac, Yacob and Myhill
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 23, 2018, 09:26:59 PM
Not a bad thing when you look at whose gone including the loanees.
Only really sorry to see Yacob go. GMac is finished
We will have to replace those that have gone, so should be an interesting month or so

Was only including GMAC, Evans, Myhill and Yacob
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on July 29, 2018, 07:00:19 AM
Just a quick 'heads up' for Jacko who I seem to remember has a 'thing' about JR and his hair!  ;) he's now sporting a man-bun topknot thingy.  :o
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 29, 2018, 11:10:36 AM
Just a quick 'heads up' for Jacko who I seem to remember has a 'thing' about JR and his hair!  ;) he's now sporting a man-bun topknot thingy.  :o


His hair? Not sure where this has come from tbh?  ;D


Nothing wrong with a man bun though...  8)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2018, 11:13:11 AM
Happy Birthday JRod, 29 today
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 02:45:41 PM
John Percy

West Brom reject £16m bid from Burnley for striker Jay Rodriguez

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/02/west-brom-reject-16m-bid-burnley-striker-jay-rodriguez/
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 02, 2018, 02:52:39 PM
John Percy

West Brom reject £16m bid from Burnley for striker Jay Rodriguez

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/08/02/west-brom-reject-16m-bid-burnley-striker-jay-rodriguez/

This one isn't going to go away is it. I think a lot depends on if Jay Rod expresses his desire to leave (he has remained professional so far).

Can see Burnley coming back with a bid around the 18-20 mark with add ons, got a feeling we would accept that.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 02:56:45 PM
I think I read somewhere that we valued him at £20m. I hope this puts Burnley off to be honest
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on August 02, 2018, 03:05:41 PM
I'm sure i read somewhere Sean Dyche said they could not afford to spend that sort of money. If they do offer £20m cannot see the club turning down that sort of money.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 02, 2018, 03:21:24 PM
If Danny Ings is close to joining Palace for 24million, then there is no reason why we shouldn't be holding out for a minimum 20 million for Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on August 02, 2018, 03:30:28 PM
If Danny Ings is close to joining Palace for 24million, then there is no reason why we shouldn't be holding out for a minimum 20 million for Rodriguez.

Ings £24m ???. Liverpool will be laughing their socks off. Injury prone too.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on August 02, 2018, 03:37:00 PM
Totally agree the JROD is worth as much as Ings  so again if Burnley want him that much pay what we want,similar dealings with Newcastle eh.wanting something for nothing cheapskates.
Keep him with us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2018, 03:54:25 PM
We dont need this at this stage of the season. do one Burnley
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on August 02, 2018, 04:37:02 PM
Hope they resist all offers

But if Ings is worth 24m then JRod is worth more
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on August 02, 2018, 05:45:06 PM
Ings will have re sale value being 4 years younger than Rodriguez, but Jay Rod's scoring record is slightly better than Ings and Ings has barely played any football in the last 2 or 3 years.

Shows we are justified in asking for 20 million.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 04, 2018, 06:36:25 PM
Ings will have re sale value being 4 years younger than Rodriguez, but Jay Rod's scoring record is slightly better than Ings and Ings has barely played any football in the last 2 or 3 years.

Shows we are justified in asking for 20 million.
We may feel we are justified asking for that much , but anyone who actually pays that much is the subject of daylight robbery
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on August 04, 2018, 06:39:32 PM
Watching him today he didn’t look like a player who wanted to be there personally ...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on August 04, 2018, 06:53:42 PM
He wasn’t worth 16p today, awful. Expected far more from him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on August 04, 2018, 07:04:03 PM
He was awful. So was Robson Kanu. We'd have been better off with Robson Green up front.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: CL3MO on August 04, 2018, 07:09:20 PM
He wasn’t worth 16p today, awful. Expected far more from him.

I'd agree with the fact that his performance was poor. But, is that really his position, in the 'hole' behind the striker? He was coming as deep as Brunt for the ball at times.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on August 04, 2018, 07:29:27 PM
He was awful. So was Robson Kanu. We'd have been better off with Robson Green up front.

Ive gone hahaha
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on August 04, 2018, 07:34:24 PM
Or reverend green,he's got no clue(do) either.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 04, 2018, 08:05:49 PM
Hal Robson-Kannot.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 04, 2018, 09:07:42 PM
If he’s going to play like that I’d take the £16m for him. If he doesn’t want to be here then sell. Darren Moore talks about the ethos he wants to build at the club, that ethos needs to include players who want to be here.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wbarenno on August 04, 2018, 09:15:34 PM
If he’s going to play like that I’d take the £16m for him. If he doesn’t want to be here then sell. Darren Moore talks about the ethos he wants to build at the club, that ethos needs to include players who want to be here.

He was poor today but anyone that has to partner robson  kanu has my sympathy. Robson kanu is up there with the worst players I’ve ever seen put the shirt on. He makes fortune look like Ronaldo
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 04, 2018, 09:17:56 PM
Fortune was alright!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wbarenno on August 04, 2018, 09:19:30 PM
Fortune was alright!

He was a lot better then robson kanu
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: stubba on August 04, 2018, 11:08:11 PM
Fortun'e is better than HRK now & he's about 40
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 05, 2018, 08:01:25 AM
Fortune was alright!
We've missed the boat there I'm afraid, he's signed for Chesterfield this week in the National League!  :)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 05, 2018, 04:03:30 PM
I think Rodriguez's performance yesterday had more to do with being played in a position that is nowhere near his best and the fact that endless balls were being pumped into the box where he had no chance of getting to any of them due to the height of the Bolton defenders. The fact he was willing to go deep to get the ball showed to me that he was trying to have an impact on the game.

He should be played at the head of a 3-1. His most effective games for us have been when he has been the central striker, such as at Liverpool in the cup and Arsenal away in the league (even though we lost 2-0)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 06, 2018, 08:54:30 AM
He's not a number 10, he's a striker and should be played there. I don't care how last minute pulling Rondon out of the squad was, putting HRK up top with J Rod in behind him should never have been an option. Quick change of Jimmy in for Rondon and J Rod in his natural position and we would have had a chance of winning the game.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: kie the baggie on August 06, 2018, 08:56:53 AM
Where is the Rodriguez transfer gossip?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wba1993dave on August 06, 2018, 09:22:26 AM
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Burnley face missing out on Jay Rodriguez, after having a £16m offer rejected. I believe three other Premier League clubs are interested, ahead of Thursday's 5 p.m. deadline

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 06, 2018, 09:26:35 AM
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Burnley face missing out on Jay Rodriguez, after having a £16m offer rejected. I believe three other Premier League clubs are interested, ahead of Thursday's 5 p.m. deadline

Someone will offer close to what we value him at, that offer will more than likely come to us on transfer deadline day, we will see if the club accept that and take the money or decline it and keep JRod until Jan at least.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie38 on August 06, 2018, 09:26:54 AM
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Burnley face missing out on Jay Rodriguez, after having a £16m offer rejected. I believe three other Premier League clubs are interested, ahead of Thursday's 5 p.m. deadline

I can't see him going anywhere personally. If gives us to much of a job to do in the final week.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 06, 2018, 09:34:28 AM
I can't see him going anywhere personally. If gives us to much of a job to do in the final week.

It's not like the board have history of selling our strikers in a window last minute without replacement is it?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 06, 2018, 09:40:22 AM
It's not like the board have history of selling our strikers in a window last minute without replacement is it?
This board have no real history of anything do they?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 06, 2018, 09:49:17 AM
This Howard have no real history of anything do they?

Cheap, short term signings you could say but the Albion board generally over history have shown they put money first.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 06, 2018, 09:50:23 AM
I can't see him going anywhere personally. If gives us to much of a job to do in the final week.

They'll have deals lined up as replacements i expect
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on August 06, 2018, 09:50:56 AM
Assuming Rondon is gone, that leaves us with J-Rod and HRK.  I'd say we need two strikers to come in, preferably at least one of them being first choice, preferably two.  I don't mind keeping HRK as squad filler if we have to.

I can totally see us selling Rondon in the next day or two, then J-Rod at the close of window and bringing in Gayle on loan and some kid from League 2.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 06, 2018, 09:56:27 AM
For some reason I still think we have Vydra lined up if we do sell JRod.

What would peoples opinions be if we sold Rondon and Jay this week and brought in the following:

Gayle
one of Vydra/Assombolonga/Maddison

Would people be happy with that business?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 06, 2018, 10:09:50 AM
For some reason I still think we have Vydra lined up if we do sell JRod.

What would peoples opinions be if we sold Rondon and Jay this week and brought in the following:

Gayle
one of Vydra/Assombolonga/Maddison

Would people be happy with that business?
I don’t think that would be the worst outcome. They certainly have proven pedigree in this league.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on August 06, 2018, 10:40:49 AM
For some reason I still think we have Vydra lined up if we do sell JRod.

What would peoples opinions be if we sold Rondon and Jay this week and brought in the following:

Gayle
one of Vydra/Assombolonga/Maddison

Would people be happy with that business?

I've advocated Vydra and Gayle since the end of last season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 06, 2018, 11:39:30 AM
Vydra wants 50 grand a week if report's are to be believed, that's why his recent transfer fell through. I can't see us agreeing to his wage demands.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 06, 2018, 11:59:48 AM
Vydra wants 50 grand a week if report's are to be believed, that's why his recent transfer fell through. I can't see us agreeing to his wage demands.

I can see those demands dropping if no one else comes in for him and his only other option is to sit on the derby bench for the season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 01:41:33 PM
This board have no real history of anything do they?
I still don't know what most of them do!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 01:44:24 PM
What would peoples opinions be if we sold Rondon and Jay this week and brought in the following:

Gayle
one of Vydra/Assombolonga/Maddison

Would people be happy with that business?
We'd still be a striker short in that scenario. In fact, we'd be 2 strikers short if one of the players was Maddison.

At £2.5m, we should be able to sign Maddison without it being dependent on anything else. It wouldn't be a costly experiment if it didn't work out, but he might just blossom still further at a higher level. I regard it as a no-brainer to sign him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on August 06, 2018, 05:59:02 PM
rumour that Spurs have shown an interest

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/949197827?-11200:789
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: halifax_baggie on August 06, 2018, 07:05:43 PM
rumour that Spurs have shown an interest

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/949197827?-11200:789

I suppose they will offer 50% of what we want and the remainder payable over 5  years linked to number of goals, games played in the Champions League, World Cup appearances for Outer Mongolia or some other unachievable targets so as to waste our time, unsettle the player and any payment to be made on the 8th August at 9:30 pm by cheque 8)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on August 06, 2018, 07:30:08 PM
I suppose they will offer 50% of what we want and the remainder payable over 5  years linked to number of goals, games played in the Champions League, World Cup appearances for Outer Mongolia or some other unachievable targets so as to waste our time, unsettle the player and any payment to be made on the 8th August at 9:30 pm by cheque 8)
that would be a generous offer by Levy standards.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on August 06, 2018, 07:37:51 PM
While I get Spurs being interested, I can't see Levy paying a fee that would interest us at this late stage.

Rodriguez would be very difficult to replace, as he can play in 3 different roles in our forward line, something the likes of Vydra cannot do.

I feel clubs have left it too late now to get Rodriguez, especially with Rondon having left
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 06, 2018, 08:12:31 PM
West Ham interested in him as well
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 06, 2018, 08:19:48 PM
While I get Spurs being interested, I can't see Levy paying a fee that would interest us at this late stage.

Rodriguez would be very difficult to replace, as he can play in 3 different roles in our forward line, something the likes of Vydra cannot do.

I feel clubs have left it too late now to get Rodriguez, especially with Rondon having left


He can't though he's a better than average centre forward who is dreadful when played wide or off the striker.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tambag on August 06, 2018, 08:42:09 PM
While I get Spurs being interested, I can't see Levy paying a fee that would interest us at this late stage.

Rodriguez would be very difficult to replace, as he can play in 3 different roles in our forward line, something the likes of Vydra cannot do.

I feel clubs have left it too late now to get Rodriguez, especially with Rondon having left

If Spurs are interested and that would be a big IF, I would ask for Jansen as part of the deal !
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyM on August 06, 2018, 09:01:33 PM
Like Rodriguez but if we can get 18 or close to that we could get 2 quality championship players for that price (a creative midfielder, Centre Half and Striker are a must).
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Sted1990 on August 06, 2018, 09:07:55 PM
If we replace him then 18 million is an fantastic amount for a player of his ability. I would like 2 strikers a vydra and a target man just as a plan B.. maybe a bargain like Matt Smith from QPR. Newcastle did the same with Daryl Murphy when they came up, he was only ever a signing for the championship.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 06, 2018, 09:18:08 PM
Rodriguez would be very difficult to replace, as he can play in 3 different roles in our forward line, something the likes of Vydra cannot do.
I think he looks lost when played anywhere other than up front and central. Let's get specialists in their positions rather than rely on someone else being able to "do a job" in more than one role.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on August 06, 2018, 09:42:34 PM
I think he looks lost when played anywhere other than up front and central. Let's get specialists in their positions rather than rely on someone else being able to "do a job" in more than one role.

Look how good he was when he started for us - it's because he started up top. For me, him and Gayle are competing to start and then we player a number 10 with whomever gets picked.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 07, 2018, 12:39:39 PM
Vydra looks set to sign for Burnley, could this mean the end of their interest in J-Rod? Hopefully that's that, still have to hope Dawson stays though.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: neilm on August 07, 2018, 01:51:36 PM
Sky says burnley to bid18 mill today
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2018, 01:54:54 PM
Sky says burnley to bid18 mill today
Hope we knock that on the head, if true. He is a very important part of the strike force which will be needed over 46 games.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: darbolina on August 07, 2018, 01:56:32 PM
18m for a player who doesn't want to be here - yes please! Next!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Singhwba on August 07, 2018, 02:01:11 PM
Who ever goes now, we have to make sure we have some one lined up before letting them go.
Does that mean Vydra is still available, surely Burnley dont want both?

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2018, 02:03:21 PM
18m for a player who doesn't want to be here - yes please! Next!

Where has it been reported that he doesn't want to be here?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on August 07, 2018, 02:09:18 PM
I would take £18m all day provided we have a cast iron replacement.
For me Rodriguez has never been more than ok for us, not really set the world alight and looked very poor on Saturday. Think he will be one of those that didn't really work out and to make a shrewd profit would not be bad business.
If, however, it moves Hal Robson Cannot up the pecking order then we should hold out for at least £273m. Plus add ons.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 02:11:18 PM
18m for a player who doesn't want to be here - yes please! Next!

Agreed, he has some quality but he’s not set the world on fire for us, happy to replace if we get £18m provided we have the right replacement to come in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on August 07, 2018, 02:24:58 PM
Where has it been reported that he doesn't want to be here?

Wasn't it reported earlier in the window that he was happy to move on but that he wouldn't rock the boat because of how the club backed him during the Bong incident.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2018, 02:29:18 PM
this is all very frustrating. Gayle and HRK up front it is then
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: johnny Cash on August 07, 2018, 02:43:30 PM
Always liked Jay as a player and I don’t think we have seen the best of him either. I think he’s still capable after his injuries and could see him doing a decent job elsewhere in the premiership. If his heart isn’t it in I would let him go though for £18m.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mank baggie on August 07, 2018, 02:52:24 PM
Let him go , replace him with someone younger and hungrier ( before anyone asks I don't know who) and when we go up and Burnley go down we can wave.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on August 07, 2018, 02:58:54 PM
Somehow I think if we do sell J-Rod for 18 big ones we won't see it recycled back into the club on replacements,hope I'm wrong
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 07, 2018, 03:10:46 PM
So he is allegedly pleading to be allowed to go to Burnley - despite our club giving him his chance after his injuries and despite the club standing by him during the FA race enquiry.

Let him go as he is not that good anyway.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: sconesy on August 07, 2018, 03:24:36 PM
I agree with the majority, let him go. I rated Rondon much more highly and apart from a couple of games, I’ve seen nothing to suggest he has the quality he may have once had.
Line up a quality replacement now and grant him his wish on the proviso a replacement is found. 18 mil (if true) is way too much to turn down for an aging player and in my opinion he lacks sharpness.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KYA on August 07, 2018, 03:27:30 PM
OK the club has been good to him regarding the race issue  why wouldn't they.
I can understand him wanting to leave Premier more money and for me the most important playing for the team you supported as a kid.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Westie on August 07, 2018, 03:35:51 PM
My guess is that he’ll go for £18m, maybe with an extra ‘add on’, and the cheque will be made payable to a certain Mr Lai. Our strike force will be Gayle and HRK lol.

(Not really laughing)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 07, 2018, 03:36:08 PM
Take £18m for him. He doesn’t want to be here. We can get two decent players for that price. Use the money to buy another striker and a midfield creator.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2018, 03:40:03 PM
My guess is that he’ll go for £18m, maybe with an extra ‘add on’, and the cheque will be made payable to a certain Mr Lai. Our strike force will be Gayle and HRK lol.

(Not really laughing)


thats eactly what will happen, i aint laughing either
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2018, 03:46:08 PM
If they are that desperate ask for Chris Wood to be involved , that would test them.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wbatillidie on August 07, 2018, 03:53:41 PM
We have to accept £18 million, we have a more than adequate goalscorer now in Gayle and hopefully we can use this money to get 2/3 player in. Woods, Maddison and a target man for example.

We've been told all summer that we have replacements lined up for when our players leave so lets see what we have up our sleeve. There's no way we will stick with just HRK and Gayle.

Also don't buy this desperate to join his boyhood club stuff, he had the chance to rejoin Burnley last summer but we offered him more.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 07, 2018, 03:57:26 PM
If they are that desperate ask for Chris Wood to be involved , that would test them.

Excellent idea
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on August 07, 2018, 03:58:51 PM
We have to accept £18 million, we have a more than adequate goalscorer now in Gayle and hopefully we can use this money to get 2/3 player in. Woods, Maddison and a target man for example.

We've been told all summer that we have replacements lined up for when our players leave so lets see what we have up our sleeve. There's no way we will stick with just HRK and Gayle.

Also don't buy this desperate to join his boyhood club stuff, he had the chance to rejoin Burnley last summer but we offered him more.

There is no way we should stick with HRK and Gayle but we have seen this before. 18 Million is a good price for him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on August 07, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
Excellent idea

As they appear to be buying Vydra as well they may well agree to part with Chris Wood. It would be a case of two players returning to their former clubs
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mr Cynical on August 07, 2018, 04:07:01 PM
I'd let him go for £18m.

Should be able to bring in two very adequate strikers for the championship at that price.  There's at least one going spare at Leicester.  Not sure about Yvdra and Gayle... too similar.  Anyhow, as long as we spend the money effectively and HRK doesn't get near the 1st team £18m is fine by me.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on August 07, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-blow-club-15000950
It appears there will be no swaps and cash with burnley
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Signor_Maresca on August 07, 2018, 04:21:18 PM
Too late in the day to be selling him now.  Burnley knew the price months ago.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2018, 04:26:17 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-transfer-blow-club-15000950
It appears there will be no swaps and cash with burnley

Old stories. Lots of ifs, maybes and could
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Halesowen12 on August 07, 2018, 04:28:32 PM
Old stories. Lots of ifs, maybes and could

was about to say, journalism at it's finest that isn't it  :D

I'm undecided on Jay Rod, £18m is a lot to turn down but would we re-invest £10m+ on a replacement?! I'd like to think so but would we?! We'd need to
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wbarenno on August 07, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
Too late in the day to be selling him now.  Burnley knew the price months ago.

Agreed, wouldn’t sell no matter what they offer, who we going to get in to replace him this late? Vydra may have been the one but he is going to Burnley now
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyM on August 07, 2018, 04:45:31 PM
Like JRod but would sell for 18. When we have tried to be tough on prices and hold onto players it has usually backfired (Evans, Saido recent examples). May not get a better bid than that for a 29 year old. The biggest issue in this transfer of any other is will we reinvest the money?
Speaking of money, where has ours gone? :)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 07, 2018, 05:56:14 PM
Agreed, wouldn’t sell no matter what they offer, who we going to get in to replace him this late? Vydra may have been the one but he is going to Burnley now
.     How about a cheeky bid for Chris Wood if they get Vydra . Similar deal to the Gayle move
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KYA on August 07, 2018, 05:58:30 PM
.     How about a cheeky bid for Chris Wood if they get Vydra . Similar deal to the Gayle move
He would be an excellent signing and just what we need in this division.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: charlebaggie on August 07, 2018, 06:04:02 PM
He would be an excellent signing and just what we need in this division.
.   I think it would be a great partnership him and Gayle. Can't see why they would want J Rod if they get Vydra
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 07, 2018, 06:26:11 PM
We have to accept £18 million, we have a more than adequate goalscorer now in Gayle and hopefully we can use this money to get 2/3 player in. Woods, Maddison and a target man for example.
That sounds like a decent strategy to me too, but time and (a lack of) manpower are against us now. With a large parachute payment coming our way, we really shouldn't be in a position of having to sell before we can buy though.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on August 07, 2018, 06:46:10 PM
Starts tonight so not going anywhere yet.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2018, 06:50:53 PM
.   I think it would be a great partnership him and Gayle. Can't see why they would want J Rod if they get Vydra
I thought we were interested in Vydra who is slightly sharper than JRod. However, no way should we trade in JRod for a lesser carthorse type striker like Woods. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: viaductbaggies on August 07, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
Apparently spurs after Rodriguez
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on August 07, 2018, 09:40:05 PM
Apparently spurs after Rodriguez

Drive him there myself after tonights performance
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
Drive him there myself after tonights performance

Thought he worked very hard and got himself in good positions. Unfortunately for him he had zero support from a flat and slow midfield
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 07, 2018, 10:20:11 PM
Meh, for 18 million i'd sell to be honest, i don't think he's all people say he is. PROVIDED we've got a proven replacement lined up, i'd take 18 million and get someone like Vydra in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Aztech on August 07, 2018, 10:23:03 PM
Meh, for 18 million i'd sell to be honest, i don't think he's all people say he is. PROVIDED we've got a proven replacement lined up, i'd take 18 million and get someone like Vydra in.

Wouldn’t matter if it was £40 million if we don’t reinvest, personally I wouldn’t allow anyone to leave at this stage (other than HRK) unless we have a ready made replacement
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tucka9 on August 07, 2018, 10:23:57 PM
Meh, for 18 million i'd sell to be honest, i don't think he's all people say he is. PROVIDED we've got a proven replacement lined up, i'd take 18 million and get someone like Vydra in.
Vydra signed for Burnley today, I agree selling Rodriguez might not be that bad at that price I just can’t see who we replace him with in 48 hours
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:58:33 PM
Presumably Assombalonga is still available, lost some faith in J-Rod, looks like a lost sheep although I did notice a couple of times second half we could have played him in and shot instead.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2018, 11:05:56 PM
Presumably Assombalonga is still available, lost some faith in J-Rod, looks like a lost sheep although I did notice a couple of times second half we could have played him in and shot instead.
Shouldn't be judging him on a couple of performances. Last season he scored enough important goals, and this season he'll score more.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2018, 11:51:26 PM
Must cash in and replace. £18 million is daylight robbery.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: westbrom3wolves0 on August 08, 2018, 12:05:39 AM
£18M is serious money for Jay Rod. I like him as a player but from a sober viewpoint, I can’t help but feel he has failed to fulfill the expectations we had for him when we first signed Jay. Cash in and re-invest THIS WINDOW. I’ve got horrible flashbacks to the late sale of Rob Earnshaw and not replacing those goals. My heart says we will do the obvious thing and replace Jay Rod but my head tells me the club will do the opposite to the obvious and leave us with Gayle and HRK as our forward options......

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 08, 2018, 12:28:55 AM
Sell, doesn't no where the net is proved that tonight Gale twice the striker he is.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on August 08, 2018, 07:58:29 AM
It's a shame we lack a good scouting structure. If we had one, we could accept the huge money Burnley seem happy to pay. I still think Rodriguez could fire in this league, but 2 poor games so far show he isn't worth what they are offering.

Replacing him is the issue - we are s*** at recruitment.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 08, 2018, 08:07:01 AM
Now Burnley have signed Vydra are they still after Rodriguez?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: hardtobeat on August 08, 2018, 08:10:15 AM
Agree wit the above, i just don't get the love in with this bloke. 18 mil seems more than fair for a very average player if only we had a replacement lined up so we wouldn't have to go scrambling around for any Tom Dick or Harry !!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on August 08, 2018, 10:44:42 AM
Burnley hoping to complete move for Jay Rodriguez today. New bid submitted to West Brom last night and player is keen to re-join club he left in 2012

That’s a tweet from Ed Aaron’s of the Guardian.

I’d be asking for Chris Wood in return.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Foster#1 on August 08, 2018, 10:49:11 AM
Wood is a dyche fav. 0% he will drop down a level

Has to be cash purely for Rodriguez
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 08, 2018, 11:50:53 AM
Ashley Barnes would be great at this level
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Windmill Baggy on August 08, 2018, 12:26:39 PM
I wouldn't be too disappointed if this happens. I assume a replacement is lined up if he is allowed to leave, so I'm optimistic we could have a better option as competition for Gayle by the end of August.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on August 08, 2018, 12:58:57 PM
I wouldn't be too disappointed if this happens. I assume a replacement is lined up if he is allowed to leave, so I'm optimistic we could have a better option as competition for Gayle by the end of August.
end of August? The window closes tomorrow.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: koren on August 08, 2018, 01:02:25 PM
It's a shame we lack a good scouting structure. If we had one, we could accept the huge money Burnley seem happy to pay. I still think Rodriguez could fire in this league, but 2 poor games so far show he isn't worth what they are offering.

Replacing him is the issue - we are s*** at recruitment.
Agreed. £18m for a 29 years old striker is a good deal for me.
But we focus on local players only, it makes us difficult to find replacement.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2018, 01:14:20 PM
end of August? The window closes tomorrow.

No it doesn’t.  Only the Premier League window closes tomorrow.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2018, 01:16:09 PM
Burnley hoping to complete move for Jay Rodriguez today. New bid submitted to West Brom last night and player is keen to re-join club he left in 2012

That’s a tweet from Ed Aaron’s of the Guardian.

I’d be asking for Chris Wood in return.

Daily Mail apparently reporting that Dyche will offer Sam Vokes as part of the deal.   Now that would be an interesting signing.  Vokes and Gayle could be quite a partnership.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on August 08, 2018, 01:17:27 PM
No it doesn’t.  Only the Premier League window closes tomorrow.

Pretty sure the football league window closes as well?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on August 08, 2018, 01:20:09 PM
Wood is a dyche fav. 0% he will drop down a level

Has to be cash purely for Rodriguez

Chris Woods has to be one of the worst strikers I've seen at the club. Up there with Anichebe and Fabian DeFreitas.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on August 08, 2018, 01:20:24 PM
No it doesn’t.  Only the Premier League window closes tomorrow.
rAfter tomorrow it’s only loans and free agents, who is available free or on loan who is a better option than Rodriguez?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie96 on August 08, 2018, 01:25:05 PM
Vokes and 10 mill? Would be a great deal
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2018, 01:27:42 PM
No it doesn’t.  Only the Premier League window closes tomorrow.
It closes tomorrow (at 5.00pm) for permanent transfers for the Football League as well. Loan players can come in up until Aug 31st and players can be sold to foreign clubs up until that date.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on August 08, 2018, 01:32:29 PM
Vokes for Rodriguez plus cash. No brainer for me, do the deal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tucka9 on August 08, 2018, 01:36:54 PM
Vokes for Rodriguez plus cash. No brainer for me, do the deal.
Rumours of £10million as the cash part of the deal as well, I’d be happy with that
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DaveWBA on August 08, 2018, 02:14:02 PM
Vokes for Rodriguez plus cash. No brainer for me, do the deal.

Absolutely, Vokes is still only 28 and has a decent record in the Championship for a "target man". Get it done.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KYA on August 08, 2018, 02:24:51 PM
This late in the transfer window we need a target man without one we will really struggle so Vokes or Wood I'm not fussed get it done.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: DaveWBA on August 08, 2018, 02:32:18 PM
This late in the transfer window we need a target man without one we will really struggle so Vokes or Wood I'm not fussed get it done.

It's not going to be Wood. He scored pretty much 1 in 2 last season in the Prem, it's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: johnny Cash on August 08, 2018, 02:37:01 PM
Surely we cannot be rating Vokes at £8m. 

Either pay £18m up front, or give us £14m plus Vokes. That would be my response.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyM on August 08, 2018, 02:37:46 PM
JRod is a better football than Vokes but with Gaye signed Vokes would be a good foilfor him and is good in the air. Anything north of 10 Mill and Vokes is a good deal to me.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on August 08, 2018, 02:42:02 PM
Absolutely, Vokes is still only 28 and has a decent record in the Championship for a "target man". Get it done.
Not a great scoring record, about 1 in 4, but that's similar to Rodriguez so not a bad deal.
Think we could do better but wouldn't be too disappointed, especially if the money went towards a midfielder or 2.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Barrington on August 08, 2018, 03:18:58 PM
Chris Woods has to be one of the worst strikers I've seen at the club. Up there with Anichebe and Fabian DeFreitas.

Well, Chris Woods is a retired goalkeeper, so probably not going to be a great striker in all honesty.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2018, 03:20:08 PM
Not a great scoring record, about 1 in 4, but that's similar to Rodriguez so not a bad deal.
What is it that makes people think Rodriguez is worth twice as much as Vokes then, given that he's a year older too?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on August 08, 2018, 03:53:31 PM
Well, Chris Woods is a retired goalkeeper, so probably not going to be a great striker in all honesty.
Blimey, with that kind of attention to detail, you sound like you'd make a good ref!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on August 08, 2018, 03:55:51 PM
Chris Woods has to be one of the worst strikers I've seen at the club. Up there with Anichebe and Fabian DeFreitas.

He was 17 at the time  :o

He has turned into a prolific Championship striker, just what we need
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on August 08, 2018, 03:56:39 PM
Vokes is OK for the champ, gives it 100%.  Better than Jay sulking because he wants to go home.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on August 08, 2018, 03:57:00 PM
Well, Chris Woods is a retired goalkeeper, so probably not going to be a great striker in all honesty.

 :-X

Are you sure its that Chris Woods we are talking about??
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Barrington on August 08, 2018, 04:10:07 PM
I'm not the one who introduced the name of a retired goalkeeper into the thread.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2018, 04:15:48 PM
Vokes is a lump of grease
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 08, 2018, 04:28:36 PM
Chris Wood.


Easy mistake to make.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: B714LF on August 08, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
Sky are reporting Burnley have cooled their interest in Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 08, 2018, 06:38:36 PM
Sky are reporting Burnley have cooled their interest in Rodriguez.
can't afford him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: royhan on August 08, 2018, 06:40:41 PM
can't afford him

Good!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 08, 2018, 10:28:28 PM
Not sure if Burnley would be interested as he seems firmly i the 1st team, but id take Ashley Barnes + cash for Rodriguez. Barnes and Gayle up front would be lethal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on August 09, 2018, 10:17:28 AM
Seeing reports today that's it's J-Rod for £10m + Vokes.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on August 09, 2018, 10:36:23 AM
Seeing reports today that's it's J-Rod for £10m + Vokes.

All day long
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2018, 10:38:52 AM
Seeing reports today that's it's J-Rod for £10m + Vokes.



No thank you , trott on Burnley
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2018, 10:44:03 AM
Would be a bit more than that. Maybe 13m. Vokes is solid and rated by Burnley fans. Then spend the cash on a right back and midfielder
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2018, 10:45:11 AM
Rodriguez has been very poor opening 2 games and wants to leave by all accounts so we should cash in .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2018, 10:47:18 AM
just unsettled during the window, he will bed down and become an assett for us if he stays
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2018, 10:48:38 AM
Rodriguez has been very poor opening 2 games and wants to leave by all accounts so we should cash in .
but it looks like no one wants him at our. Valuation
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2018, 10:50:03 AM
just unsettled during the window, he will bed down and become an assett for us if he stays

Then it gets to January and he will be unsettled again
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2018, 10:51:31 AM
Then it gets to January and he will be unsettled again


we will know what we are about in this league by then
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2018, 11:29:06 AM
Then it gets to January and he will be unsettled again

Why would he be unsettled. He's a proper professional. He only knows how to play 1 way and that's full throttle. Rodriguez is the leads likely to sulk out of any of the potential leavers.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on August 09, 2018, 12:19:39 PM
From all accounts Jay has a good attitude. He was certainly giving his all v Forest. We tracked him for a long time at Southampton. He had a decent scoring record in the Prem and he'll score a few more in the Championship. We can't just rely on Gayle and HRK as strikers. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2018, 12:25:31 PM
From all accounts Jay has a good attitude. He was certainly giving his all v Forest. We tracked him for a long time at Southampton. He had a decent scoring record in the Prem and he'll score a few more in the Championship. We can't just rely on Gayle and HRK as strikers.
laughing my head off about relying on HRK
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on August 09, 2018, 12:49:37 PM
Volkes in Turkey with Burnley J rod should now knuckle down and give100 percent for the club who pays his wages
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on August 09, 2018, 12:56:20 PM
Sky reporting fee agreed 18.5mil
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on August 09, 2018, 12:58:42 PM
Sky reporting fee agreed 18.5mil

Fantastic fee that, fair play to us for getting it but only worth it if we spend it today *facepalm*
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 09, 2018, 12:59:22 PM
The money will look fantastic in Mr. Lai's back pocket.

Gayle and HRK for the season it is then...super.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 09, 2018, 01:01:42 PM
I hope we have a couple of players lined up to spend the 18.5m on
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on August 09, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
Scratch that, fake account.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on August 09, 2018, 01:03:03 PM
Scratch that, fake account.

Sake
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Bilston Dan on August 09, 2018, 01:13:06 PM
laughing my head off about relying on HRK

He is literally one of the worst footballers I've seen to play at a good level. He's in the class of players such as Steve Morison and Grant Holt.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: The Joust on August 09, 2018, 01:14:56 PM
He is literally one of the worst footballers I've seen to play at a good level. He's in the class of players such as Steve Morison and Grant Holt.

Wasn't Grant Holt class for Norwich?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2018, 10:07:32 AM
He talked this week about us having the talent to blow teams away in this league.
He might be right when everything clicks but it's the wrong thing to say. It will gee up the opposition for a start but it can also lead to complacency in our ranks if we think we can just turn it on when we need to.

Performances where a team is blown away, usually start from getting into the game early, doing the basics right and then confidence flows and things fall into place...it doesn't just magically happen.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on September 16, 2018, 03:07:39 PM
I'm really disappointed in him so far this season, massively underwhelming. Take away the penalties won for him by Gayle he has barely laid a glove on the opposition. Needs to start scoring goals and getting involved in games. Just hope he clicks into some form sometime soon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on September 16, 2018, 04:25:40 PM
I'm really disappointed in him so far this season, massively underwhelming. Take away the penalties won for him by Gayle he has barely laid a glove on the opposition. Needs to start scoring goals and getting involved in games. Just hope he clicks into some form sometime soon.

I think his performances are perhaps symptomatic of the fact that maybe his heart isn't here
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: hardtobeat on September 16, 2018, 04:55:37 PM
I think his performances are perhaps symptomatic of the fact that maybe his heart isn't here
I think his performances are symptomatic of a player that isn't really good and IMO is very one dimensional, he has a touch of pace but little else n terms of vision etc
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 232kev on October 02, 2018, 07:25:22 PM
Just a thought how about updating super Bob to super jay
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on October 02, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
Just a thought how about updating super Bob to super jay


Needs to be more consistent for me. I wasn't at Preston but apparently he played well. Goes missing too much for my liking. Can't ever fault his effort and he's a model professional. Just need to see a bit more quality on a more regular basis.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on October 02, 2018, 08:13:08 PM
Are we talking about a guy who's scored 7 goals for us this season so far?
Or someone else who's not scored yet?
Crikey lads.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on October 02, 2018, 11:04:04 PM

Needs to be more consistent for me. I wasn't at Preston but apparently he played well. Goes missing too much for my liking. Can't ever fault his effort and he's a model professional. Just need to see a bit more quality on a more regular basis.
I was at Preston where he was excellent. Don’t think he can be faulted this season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on October 02, 2018, 11:18:03 PM
Are we talking about a guy who's scored 7 goals for us this season so far?
Or someone else who's not scored yet?
Crikey lads.
4 of which have been penalties won by Gayle. I like Rodriguez but I don’t think he’s as good as some make out, and as has been stated his consistency has been an issue right from time the start, he has been more consistent so far this season but hats not to say he hasn’t had some bad games.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on October 02, 2018, 11:26:19 PM
He does go missing imo and I wouldn't have complained if he'd gone to Burnley for a massive fee.

Problem was who was going to replace him, as our other targets like Jack Marriott aren't tear it up at Derby.

We may regret letting Tyler Roberts go as he scored the winner again tonight.


Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on October 02, 2018, 11:37:13 PM
Are we talking about a guy who's scored 7 goals for us this season so far?
Or someone else who's not scored yet?
Crikey lads.
Didn't catch the Preston game but personally think he hasn't got going yet this season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on October 02, 2018, 11:37:27 PM
Point is he scored 4 penalties!
He could have missed them or had them saved.
If he goes missing so what?
I dont think he does.
I can't believe that some on here are knocking a player who is our leading goalscorer,we only scored 21 last season.
Our front two are deadly savour them stop the criticism.
I could understand it if we were struggling to score but really guys.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on October 02, 2018, 11:41:22 PM
Point is he scored 4 penalties!
He could have missed them or had them saved.
If he goes missing so what?
I dont think he does.
I can't believe that some on here are knocking a player who is our leading goalscorer,we only scored 21 last season.
Our front two are deadly savour them stop the criticism.
I could understand it if we were struggling to score but really guys.


Its constructive criticism nothing wrong with that. Some people want to be a little less defensive and a little more open minded.   
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on October 02, 2018, 11:55:33 PM
He does go missing imo and I wouldn't have complained if he'd gone to Burnley for a massive fee.

Problem was who was going to replace him, as our other targets like Jack Marriott aren't tear it up at Derby.

We may regret letting Tyler Roberts go as he scored the winner again tonight.

We didn't let Tyler Roberts go, he chose to refuse several new contract offers and moved on.

But yes, we may well live to regret him choosing to fk us off at some point.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 27, 2018, 11:49:56 PM
Really needs dropping I'm still aggrieved with that back pass against derby and his failure to execute a 3 yard pass for a Gayle tap in.

Missed a big chance again today.

Don't think he offers enough if we are going to persist with the 2 up top I hope it's Sako and Gayle. Although I would be happy for him to dropped for an extra midfielder
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on October 27, 2018, 11:59:08 PM
Really needs dropping I'm still aggrieved with that back pass against derby and his failure to execute a 3 yard pass for a Gayle tap in.

Missed a big chance again today.

Don't think he offers enough if we are going to persist with the 2 up top I hope it's Sako and Gayle. Although I would be happy for him to dropped for an extra midfielder

In an ideal world burnley will be struggling and will make a stupid offer for Jrod and Dawson in Jan and dowling will have found some great replacements.

If the disarray at brentford continues then a cheeky 7m bid for maupay may get him but probably need to go higher.

I don't think Jrod is great and at his age we should cash in before it is too late.

Today's miss was bad but we need him to be on about 12 - 15 goals by Jan to attract a stupid bid of 18-20m imo.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 28, 2018, 12:19:23 AM
In an ideal world burnley will be struggling and will make a stupid offer for Jrod and Dawson in Jan and dowling will have found some great replacements.

If the disarray at brentford continues then a cheeky 7m bid for maupay may get him but probably need to go higher.

I don't think Jrod is great and at his age we should cash in before it is too late.

Today's miss was bad but we need him to be on about 12 - 15 goals by Jan to attract a stupid bid of 18-20m imo.

As the penalty taker he has a good chance to have that many goals. And plenty of chance of Burnley being in trouble come Jan. Cardiff and Huddersfield might be in for him yet. at his age any offer over £8 mil I would be taking.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on October 28, 2018, 12:30:28 AM
The only problem we will have is if they actually watch him play at which point a fiver with a mars bar thrown in wild seem a decent offer.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on October 28, 2018, 07:58:00 AM
Not a midfielder , not a wide player . Just a badly out of form forward , very lucky the only option behind him is HRK so far this season.
Personally don't think he's got going at all this season , bench for me when Gayle is fit and let Sako or even Burke have a run.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on October 28, 2018, 08:15:01 AM
Not as bad as some of the comments on here in my opinion.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on October 28, 2018, 08:32:57 AM
Not as bad as some of the comments on here in my opinion.
In general I quite like him but at the minute I feel he's miles off . Doesn't win the ball , doesn't hold the ball , lacking physically when up against tough defenders , not creating much and not much of a threat . Too much time playing with his hair  :).
Needs a break when Gayles fit IMO.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on October 28, 2018, 08:37:14 AM
Wouldn’t argue that he needs a break but I have seen far worse in his position at Albion. If he ends up on bench does it finally mean no place in the 18 for HRK? Or is that a crazy dream I’m having? ;)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on October 28, 2018, 08:48:45 AM
Wouldn’t argue that he needs a break but I have seen far worse in his position at Albion. If he ends up on bench does it finally mean no place in the 18 for HRK? Or is that a crazy dream I’m having? ;)
;D , wake up.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiesboots on October 28, 2018, 09:34:05 AM
The issue in JRs case is the same as the midfield and CB positions, we've got 2 decent players, but no quality replacements to come in. Therefore he plays wether he's good,bad or indifferent. We should of took the ££ for him and Dawson in the summer and rebuilt with younger hungry players, as it's clear Dawson doesn't want to be here either.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on October 28, 2018, 10:20:16 AM
He struts around the pitch playing with his hair. Missed an OPEN GOAL yesterday and reacted by jogging back to the half-way line high-fiving his team mates like it was something to be proud off. He should have had his head torn off for it. Particularly after that back-pass in midweek. The attitude of the team is embarrassing. His only contribution this season is the header at Preston and a lucky goal at Norwich. Gayle has won him a few penalties to get his goal count up. With no Gayle we needed him to step-up yesterday and he was anonymous. Clearly a very average player. Doesn't seem the brightest either given his pathetic you stink rubbish with Bong. Managed to kick the Blackburn GK in the head, couldn't even jump over him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on October 28, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
The issue in JRs case is the same as the midfield and CB positions, we've got 2 decent players, but no quality replacements to come in. Therefore he plays wether he's good,bad or indifferent. We should of took the ££ for him and Dawson in the summer and rebuilt with younger hungry players, as it's clear Dawson doesn't want to be here either.
average striker since that bad injury he had if Burnley come back in for him I'd let him go.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albion79 on October 28, 2018, 11:13:57 AM
Although he isnt having a particularly good season, i think its harsh to say anything good he does is lucky.

I also dont think you can fault his work rate, if anything he tries to hard, almost as though he is trying to prove too much that not moving in the summer doesnt bother him.

From what i have seen he doesnt look as though he is really enjoying his football, he is void of confidence, he is trying but he looks nowhere near the level he can play.

Its been building for a while but i think the expectation and pressure is getting to a number of our players, time will tell whether they can deal with the pressure or not.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on October 28, 2018, 04:29:09 PM
I think some of the criticism is harsh. Southampton fans still speak warmly of him and supported him character wise over the Dong incident. I don't think you can have a go re his work rate. Yesterday he should have put away the one v one with the keeper (as I think all decent strikers should). The follow up was more difficult as it came back at him very fast. However, overall he has a decent goalscoring record this and last season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on October 28, 2018, 04:37:50 PM
When we signed him, I wasn't too happy, as I felt that we'd paid far too much. I think what he's contributed so far since I was right to be cautious.

A player with one eye on England when he signed, that fact is even in the Championship he's failed to really shine. And as people have said, if the only obvious replacement wasn't Robson-Kanu, he'd have been out the team before now.

I'd rather have sent him to Newcastle and kept Rondon.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on October 28, 2018, 04:49:03 PM
Rodriguez, Rondon Rodriguez Rondon? Rodriguez all day long no brainer for me.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on October 28, 2018, 09:54:41 PM
As good as Gayle is we are too reliant on him and need to bring in another striker in January with some threat and pedigree. J-Rod is clearly not up to it, working hard isn't enough.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on October 28, 2018, 10:14:07 PM
As good as Gayle is we are too reliant on him and need to bring in another striker in January with some threat and pedigree. J-Rod is clearly not up to it, working hard isn't enough.
Agree
If we had
Gayle, crouch, Defoe as our three options, I think we would be absolutely fine for promotion
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on October 29, 2018, 09:09:17 AM
Agree
If we had
Gayle, crouch, Defoe as our three options, I think we would be absolutely fine for promotion

37 yr old Crouch and 36 yr old Defoe? I hope you're joking! Crouch has 1 goal & 1 assist in 12 games, Defoe has made 5 sub appearances for Bournemouth this season and no goals.

We do need options up front but old aged has-beens aren't the answer.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on October 29, 2018, 09:19:28 AM
I think a couple games on the bench wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to J Rod.

Give him a little rest and recharge his energy, and also give him a bit of a kick to get himself back in to the starting 11.

Once you realise you are literally a starter every week, there is always that chance you take your foot of the gas a little.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dexy on October 29, 2018, 12:31:29 PM
Just seen that first half miss from Saturday , thats a dreadful miss . It wasn't that quick at him IMO , bad miss and ready for a break as posted earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on October 29, 2018, 12:41:19 PM
Just seen that first half miss from Saturday , thats a dreadful miss . It wasn't that quick at him IMO , bad miss and ready for a break as posted earlier in the thread.
Considering he had a clean run through he should have buried the first shot.  I think the keeper made a good save to be fair but he should have had no chance.

The follow up though, it was tapping it into the net and he's somehow missed it.  I think Rondon felt like a ghost had walked over his grave when that happened.  There's no way Gayle would have missed those chances.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: VVVAlbion on October 29, 2018, 12:47:44 PM
Jay, Gayle and HRK all have different strengths and play different games (which is why we have them in the squad)  but all need to be competent in front of goal. For me, JRod is well out of form but HRK isn't the player to replace him because they aren't the same type of player (unless we want to do something different) and I'm not sure who is which, I think, is Moore's conundrum.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on October 29, 2018, 12:48:06 PM
If Burnley came back in for him in January I would let him go. They can have Dawson aswell. I would take around 25 million for the pair which I think is the figure Burnley were offering in the summer.
If burnley have watched the pair of them this year I would bet they are no longer interested. Cant see any other premier league team being interested.
We must be allowed to spend the proceeds
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mickyfudge on November 03, 2018, 11:56:34 AM
Would drop j rod in away games and play another midfielder
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 03, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
If Burnley came back in for him in January I would let him go. They can have Dawson aswell. I would take around 25 million for the pair which I think is the figure Burnley were offering in the summer.
If burnley have watched the pair of them this year I would bet they are no longer interested. Cant see any other premier league team being interested.
We must be allowed to spend the proceeds
So in summary
If Burnley come back, we sell, but they won't because they haven't been good this season, but if they do, we should ask for 25m because that is the figure acceptable to a forum member (even though they haven't played well) , but then we must spend every penny 😂😂😂
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on November 03, 2018, 12:07:57 PM
Hoping to see Gayle start today with sako up top with him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on November 03, 2018, 05:08:52 PM
Awful again today. Be lucky to sell him to anyone in January.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Bilston Dan on November 03, 2018, 05:09:47 PM
I completely forgot he was playing at one point.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on November 03, 2018, 05:18:17 PM
I completely forgot he was playing at one point.

So did I until he gave Hull a free kick by our corner flag late on, complete waste of space. Frazier Campbell looked ten times as lively. Appreciate the rest of the team were awful but no excuse for his own shamble. His non-league back pass against Derby and open goal miss against Blackburn helped contribute to the present sick bucket set of results and performances.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 03, 2018, 05:22:29 PM
I completely forgot he was playing at one point.

Not the first game I have thought that. He had no support today in fairness to the lad. But he lacks the natural attributes to be a lone striker- he's not the only one woefully off form; phillips Barnes Livermore Hegazi Dawson. therein lies the problem
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on November 03, 2018, 05:40:10 PM
Not the first game I have thought that. He had no support today in fairness to the lad. But he lacks the natural attributes to be a lone striker- he's not the only one woefully off form; phillips Barnes Livermore Hegazi Dawson. therein lies the problem
Our players very easily become disenchanted with the management, they have previous form with previous manager's.
Back on topic , I did think that Jay had found his level in the Championship, but now i am not so sure
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 03, 2018, 05:46:35 PM
Not the first game I have thought that. He had no support today in fairness to the lad. But he lacks the natural attributes to be a lone striker- he's not the only one woefully off form; phillips Barnes Livermore Hegazi Dawson. therein lies the problem


Livermore isn't off form. He always plays like this. Rodriguez is the same.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 03, 2018, 08:33:45 PM

Livermore isn't off form. He always plays like this. Rodriguez is the same.

They can play Abit better then today but on the whole I agree. Albion didn't ship enough of the Deadwood out in the summer. Saying that we didn't get any serious bids for Livermore or Rodriguez.

Two of Albions best players are brunt and morison and thy have been here over a decade and therein lies the problem we have never naturally evolved.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on November 04, 2018, 10:39:56 AM
They can play Abit better then today but on the whole I agree. Albion didn't ship enough of the Deadwood out in the summer. Saying that we didn't get any serious bids for Livermore or Rodriguez.

Two of Albions best players are brunt and morison and thy have been here over a decade and therein lies the problem we have never naturally evolved.
and Morrison should no longer be here - the naturally evolving time to let him go and replace him with a younger model was in June this year.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on November 04, 2018, 11:11:32 AM
They can play Abit better then today but on the whole I agree. Albion didn't ship enough of the Deadwood out in the summer. Saying that we didn't get any serious bids for Livermore or Rodriguez.

Two of Albions best players are brunt and morison and thy have been here over a decade and therein lies the problem we have never naturally evolved.

As long as this myth about brunt and Morrison is perpetuated the longer they will keep getting their contracts renewed.

Imo both should have gone a few years ago. I don't know of a promoted team who held onto their players as long as we did with these 2.

Stoke got rid of Glenn whelan and now only have the useless Shawcross left since their promotion to the prem.

Keeping players like this is pure sentiment and takes a big chunk of the wages budget for very little return.

Brunt came on against Blackburn and played like he was a quarterback and tried to ping passes around to the forwards but most just hit opposition legs.

Imo our whole squad needs new, younger blood.

It makes me want to cry when I think about the stupid bids we rejected for rondon, livermore, Evans and Jrod.

Jrod, has been going through the motions all season imo and why we didn't sell and go for marriott and woods with proceeds is beyond me.

Our only hope now rests firmly on the shoulders of luke dowling finding good players and sticking to his assertion that we should take big money for our players and have replacements ready to come in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on November 05, 2018, 01:17:38 PM
Being reported that Burnley are still interested, I'd sell him and get in a younger hungrier striker
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mickyfudge on November 05, 2018, 01:35:53 PM
It’s interesting to note that more and more fans are realising just how poor j rod and Livermore are ,I have been saying it for the last 18 months ,it’s laughable when fans talk about our prem quality squad and include those pair ,Livermore can’t tackle his shooting is atrocious and his creativity is so poor ,we all know the midfield has wanted overhauling for two years but nothing has been done about it
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on November 05, 2018, 04:22:12 PM
It’s interesting to note that more and more fans are realising just how poor j rod and Livermore are ,I have been saying it for the last 18 months ,it’s laughable when fans talk about our prem quality squad and include those pair ,Livermore can’t tackle his shooting is atrocious and his creativity is so poor ,we all know the midfield has wanted overhauling for two years but nothing has been done about it

Agree with you on Livermore. Even more infuriating when Yacob who he replaced in the team is now at Forest (which coincided with our dip in form and then subsequent relegation). Worryingly too many people at the club rate these players as well.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 05, 2018, 06:51:28 PM
Agree with you on Livermore. Even more infuriating when Yacob who he replaced in the team is now at Forest (which coincided with our dip in form and then subsequent relegation). Worryingly too many people at the club rate these players as well.
I think it's a bit more complex
For a start , there are many saying that we have no "legs" in midfield, as much as I loved Yacob..he adds no legs
Then the Livermore debate...is he great...no, but he is a better cm than brunt , he seems less brittle than mozza, he has more experience than field...I get why he's picked
We also had quite a few comings and goings in the last 18 months, sometimes you have to let the ship stabilise before you plot to change course,
In a couple of years we had new owners , 3 new managers , players in and out, relegation , new chief exec ...where we are is not bad ....although we should never be afraid to constructively criticise , we need to reverse the current trend, ultimately whatever we think matters not, but Darren will live and die by his decisions

Graham jones was being hailed as the messiah
Well if I had vermalen, vertongen and alderwiereld I reckon I could arrange a 3 man defence , I'd also suggest hazard and de bryne are at least the equal of Barry and brunt 😀
Finally, rodriguez ...I've said before , the hair thing bothers me , zlatan with all his skills and DELIVERY IN BIG GAMES can do what he wants, JRod is an average player in the secondary league and spends far too much time playing with his Barnet , if he didn't take the pens I'd suggest his goals to minutes would be below HRK , we have always had good strikers in my time ,Phillips, Odemwingie,Roberts,Taylor hunt  ....we know have Gayle ...but there really is no back up , Defoe on loan and Maja/maupay and suddenly we are deadly

Imagine a second half , we need a goal , Phillips,sako and Barnes bombing forward to supply Gayle and Defoe ...eye watering
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gavinrussell on November 05, 2018, 07:01:19 PM
Wonder if Burnley would still pay million for Dawson ?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on November 05, 2018, 07:14:47 PM
Yacob has played once for Forest so far this season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 05, 2018, 08:13:09 PM
Agree with you on Livermore. Even more infuriating when Yacob who he replaced in the team is now at Forest (which coincided with our dip in form and then subsequent relegation). Worryingly too many people at the club rate these players as well.

Yacob is a red herring.  Loved him at times but no....

Sorry, just realised this is JRod thread.  Back to Jrod - whatever he had to offer pre injury it's gone now.   He does work hard but that's I pretty much all he does offer at the moment and even when his grafting got him a chance he missed it.  Not quick enough on the ground, no real tricks, not competitive in the air and NOT an instinctive finisher.  He did start to develop some interplay with Gayle but looks  impotent on his own.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 05, 2018, 08:26:35 PM
Wonder if Burnley would still pay million for Dawson ?

I'd say your not far off a realistic valuation.....might not be a formation suited to him but he has been poor at times.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mickyfudge on November 05, 2018, 08:43:31 PM
The thing is Gayle is obviously not rated a prem player by managers in the prem but you look at him and look at Rodriguez to me theirs no comparison
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: jim68 on November 05, 2018, 09:51:00 PM
Yacob has played once for Forest so far this season.
and a pretty impressive debut by all accounts :-X
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on November 10, 2018, 08:18:13 PM
Jay was outstanding tonight. Absolutely outstanding.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 10, 2018, 08:36:13 PM
Thought he was done. I was wrong.  Well done JRod.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on November 10, 2018, 08:54:19 PM
Got to give if to him, he actually showed some desire today and deserved to get that goal that hit the crossbar. Dawson was also back to his normal consistent self today playing a game he can play.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on November 10, 2018, 11:01:18 PM
Superb
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on November 10, 2018, 11:29:02 PM
Better from J Rod, much better. That's what I want to see. Another one with his best performance of the season to add to Dawson, Adarabioyo, Robson-Kanu, Morrison and arguably Phillips. You could argue Johnstone as well.  :-\

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on November 11, 2018, 05:32:10 PM
Thought he put in a 5 star performance yesterday. The way he powered his way past Leeds players before setting up HRK's and Gayle's goals. And he was unlucky with that shot off the bar.   
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on November 12, 2018, 08:32:42 AM
Came close to edging Phillips and Adarabioyo for man of the match. Never stopped running and looked much happier as part of a more dynamic attack with other options around him. Set up atleast 2 goals through his powerful runs and looked more like the player we saw for a brief spell in the premier league last year.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: geoff on November 12, 2018, 09:01:16 AM
Came close to edging Phillips and Adarabioyo for man of the match. Never stopped running and looked much happier as part of a more dynamic attack with other options around him. Set up atleast 2 goals through his powerful runs and looked more like the player we saw for a brief spell in the premier league last year.

Phillips
I thought it was his powerful attacking moves that put us on the front foot helping to keep their forwards quite
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 12, 2018, 09:06:07 AM
Looked a lot happier playing in a side that attacked with pace and that had a number of players getting into forward positions, rather than him being isolated which has happened a little recently.

His work rate for me has never been in question but against Leeds he didn't have to go deep to get the ball and that was reflected in his performance.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on November 12, 2018, 09:12:01 AM
Looked like his oldself, full of confidence going forward and was a menace all evening.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on November 24, 2018, 03:36:50 AM
Just wanted to say congratulations to Jay Rodriguez on his 100th goal

Its a nice moment for him  :)

Nice goal to bring up the ton aswell
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 24, 2018, 07:16:32 AM
Just wanted to say congratulations to Jay Rodriguez on his 100th goal

Its a nice moment for him  :)

Nice goal to bring up the ton aswell

Fairplay to him but he should be at least on 101 if not 102 (the other chance in first half wasn't as easy as the chance in the second)

Fortunately his poor finishing didn't cost us the points. I would have subbed him off for Gayle. Away from home Rodriguez doesn't offer as much as Gayle as he doesn't have the pace to threaten and isn't the greatest finisher
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on November 24, 2018, 07:44:10 AM
Fairplay to him but he should be at least on 101 if not 102 (the other chance in first half wasn't as easy as the chance in the second)

Fortunately his poor finishing didn't cost us the points. I would have subbed him off for Gayle. Away from home Rodriguez doesn't offer as much as Gayle as he doesn't have the pace to threaten and isn't the greatest finisher


JRod plays the central striker role better than Gayle would in a 4-3-3. Gayle will have his part to play soon enough and IMO it's great to have someone like him on the bench, no opposition is going to want to see him coming on.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on November 24, 2018, 09:07:15 AM
The both of them have 9 goals to their name this season, both are doing decent! In the long run i can see Gayle in for HRK with Rodriguez going wide but at the moment HRK deserves his place in the 11.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on November 29, 2018, 01:09:56 AM
Was missing again tonight. I really hope Burnley come back in for him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 29, 2018, 04:48:27 AM
Was missing again tonight. I really hope Burnley come back in for him.

Think at home it's not as bad as we have more of the ball but away from home we tend to carry him post games. He doesn't hold the ball as well as HRK and doesn't have gayles pace of finishing prowess. I would have made this change with about 30 mins left to keep it fresh and give us more threat on the break.

What I will say is that I guess it's only fair to keep the same team when they keep winning
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on November 29, 2018, 01:03:08 PM
Was missing again tonight. I really hope Burnley come back in for him.

I really don't get this comment at all. Not sure why he gets so much stick; has an eye for goal and works hard dropping deep to pick up the ball and try to get us moving forward. Should Burnley come back in there is a high likelihood that we would not get a replacement meaning we are in a far worse position.
It is all about opinions I know, but that is mine.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2018, 01:17:23 PM
Was missing again tonight. I really hope Burnley come back in for him.

I saw him quite a few times.

Tall bloke with a bit of a ponytail who ran all over the place closing the opposition down and making a general nuisance of himself. Didnt get any chances on goal [unlike Ipswich when he scored] but neither did the others....
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on November 29, 2018, 03:14:00 PM
I'd run around, chase down the opposition and put effort in without an actual end product.  Can I get laid £50k a week please?

You've got to look at the front two and think about why we didn't create much, why wasn't the ball held up.  You can't absolve them of blame in games where they've not done their job.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: skyclad99 on November 29, 2018, 03:28:12 PM
I'd run around, chase down the opposition and put effort in without an actual end product.  Can I get laid £50k a week please?

You've got to look at the front two and think about why we didn't create much, why wasn't the ball held up.  You can't absolve them of blame in games where they've not done their job.

Isnt it down to supply? which was missing last night.

If Jay was stood on the penalty spot waiting for the ball he would be slaughtered. Instead he put himself about and tried to create something...... cant argue with that. Phillips and Barnes didnt put much in and there was not a great deal from midfield. I remember a few times Jay received the ball, held it up and then passed it on but nothing came from it. To say he went missing is not correct, Kanu was quiet as well.... it was one of those games where 'pulis' tactics won the day.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on November 29, 2018, 04:24:51 PM
I just don't think he gives the same commitment and desire as he clearly showed he can against Leeds in every game.

He is one of a few we'll get big money for, and in an ideal world imo we should take about £15m for him if (big if) it's offered because of his age etc.

With the proceeds we should consider getting the much pacier and younger Maupay in and a box to box mf, as I don't think Mozza is the answer there.

Not for one second do I believe that Jenkins will release funds in Jan unless they are generated by player sales.

Our only hope without sales is that LD and IP have some very cheap signings from abroad lined up and/or some more loans.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Westie on November 29, 2018, 04:52:40 PM
There’s no pleasing some ‘Albion fans’, if Lionel Messi was in our team he’d be criticised if he didn’t score in every match!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2018, 09:17:02 AM
There’s no pleasing some ‘Albion fans’, if Lionel Messi was in our team he’d be criticised if he didn’t score in every match!
No they wouldn't.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2018, 09:59:12 AM
I just don't think he gives the same commitment and desire as he clearly showed he can against Leeds in every game.

He is one of a few we'll get big money for, and in an ideal world imo we should take about £15m for him if (big if) it's offered because of his age etc.

With the proceeds we should consider getting the much pacier and younger Maupay in and a box to box mf, as I don't think Mozza is the answer there.

Not for one second do I believe that Jenkins will release funds in Jan unless they are generated by player sales.

Our only hope without sales is that LD and IP have some very cheap signings from abroad lined up and/or some more loans.


Brentford rejected a Championship record transfer bid in the summer and he is now top scorer in the division. He'll cost more than Jay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on November 30, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
There’s no pleasing some ‘Albion fans’, if Lionel Messi was in our team he’d be criticised if he didn’t score in every match!
I doubt it.  The trouble with J-Rod is, considering he's given quite a free, attacking role, he doesn't actually offer very much.  There's glimpses of a decent player but he's not lethal in front of goal, he's not setting others up an awful lot.  I think he can do better, or we can do better.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on November 30, 2018, 12:32:30 PM
I doubt it.  The trouble with J-Rod is, considering he's given quite a free, attacking role, he doesn't actually offer very much.  There's glimpses of a decent player but he's not lethal in front of goal, he's not setting others up an awful lot.  I think he can do better, or we can do better.

Yes, he's certainly not in the SKP mould, neither is he a traditional big man, or a dynamic Cyrille I struggle to think of what "type" of forward Jay is. (Bergkamp with less class???)

To me he seems to be more suited to being a midfielder with a few goals in him (Mozzaesque)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SirTonyM on November 30, 2018, 01:38:26 PM
Yes, he's certainly not in the SKP mould, neither is he a traditional big man, or a dynamic Cyrille I struggle to think of what "type" of forward Jay is. (Bergkamp with less class???)

To me he seems to be more suited to being a midfielder with a few goals in him (Mozzaesque)

This season he has scored 9 in 18 which is a goal every other game...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mikkyk on November 30, 2018, 01:50:35 PM
This season he has scored 9 in 18 which is a goal every other game...

4 penalties in there
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on November 30, 2018, 02:07:54 PM
Heres the top scorers in championship list adjusted to exclude pens,  Jay comes in equal 22nd !

Neal Maupay   11
Lukas Jutkiewicz   10
Teemu Pukki   10
Billy Sharp   10
Lewis Grabban   9
Dwight Gayle   9
Tammy Abraham   8
Che Adams   8
Callum Robinson   8
Kemar Roofe   8
Bradley Dack   7
Oliver McBurnie   7
Harvey Barnes   7
Jón Böðvarsson   6
Alan Browne   6
Fraizer Campbell   6
Lee Gregory   6
Joe Lolley   6
Yakou Meïté   6
Pablo Hernández   6
Ollie Watkins   6
Jay Rodriguez   5
Britt Assombalonga   5
Mateusz Klich   5
Jonathan Kodjia   5
Lucas João   5
Jack Marriott   5
Matt Phillips   5
Adam Reach   5
Jordan Rhodes   5
Andreas Weimann   5
Harry Wilson   5
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: wbawill on November 30, 2018, 02:37:53 PM
4 penalties in there

Both a penalty and a 30 yard screamer count as one on the scoresheet, I don't see why so many are determined to discount them. His reliability from the spot has been very welcome, we've lacked that in recent years. They're not gimmes.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on November 30, 2018, 02:48:11 PM
I was ready to write Jay off for the season after a couple of his performances actually cost us points (the back pass and open goal miss urrgghhh) but then we switched to a front three and he was superb against Leeds really driving at the defenders.   He then scored again against Ipswich, although missing a couple of other decent chances.

I'm often baffled as to how good he is.  Sometimes his work rate is very good and he does chase a lost cause.  He is cool on penalties and can take a sharp chance.  but he isn't a natural goal scorer and often seems poor in one on one situations. He's not got searing pace to play on the shoulder or trick to beat a player from out wide, nor is his hold up play fantastic but I have seen him play some lovely one touch link up with Gayle, Barnes and Phillips at times.

A few weeks ago I'd have taken a tenner and a bottle of whisky for him, but realistically you would think a pretty substantial sum would be required as he really is an integral part of a team currently challenging for promotion.....we'd probably miss him once he had gone!!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on November 30, 2018, 02:59:59 PM
I was ready to write Jay off for the season after a couple of his performances actually cost us points (the back pass and open goal miss urrgghhh) but then we switched to a front three and he was superb against Leeds really driving at the defenders.   He then scored again against Ipswich, although missing a couple of other decent chances.

I'm often baffled as to how good he is.  Sometimes his work rate is very good and he does chase a lost cause.  He is cool on penalties and can take a sharp chance.  but he isn't a natural goal scorer and often seems poor in one on one situations. He's not got searing pace to play on the shoulder or trick to beat a player from out wide, nor is his hold up play fantastic but I have seen him play some lovely one touch link up with Gayle, Barnes and Phillips at times.

A few weeks ago I'd have taken a tenner and a bottle of whisky for him, but realistically you would think a pretty substantial sum would be required as he really is an integral part of a team currently challenging for promotion.....we'd probably miss him once he had gone!!

yeah, he's a bit of an enigma to me, he's not a goal machine and he doesn't lead the line, but he has good on the ball skills and I'm sure pro's would say "what he does off the ball" is great. Is he a prem league striker? I don't think so, but would he be a good component in a prem strikeforce?, probably.  A weird fish...
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on November 30, 2018, 03:12:48 PM

Brentford rejected a Championship record transfer bid in the summer and he is now top scorer in the division. He'll cost more than Jay.

When push comes to shove I think Brentford would take about £10m.

But, in an ideal world I'd like us to do what we used to do best and bring in hidden gems like Koren and Mulumbu like before.

The likes of Bristol City managed to find Diedu and before him Kodija and Brentford found Maupay. We need to up our game scouting wise to find these types of players again.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 30, 2018, 04:58:40 PM
When push comes to shove I think Brentford would take about £10m.

But, in an ideal world I'd like us to do what we used to do best and bring in hidden gems like Koren and Mulumbu like before.

The likes of Bristol City managed to find Diedu and before him Kodija and Brentford found Maupay. We need to up our game scouting wise to find these types of players again.


Why when they rejected more than that in the summer?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NJS on November 30, 2018, 05:00:41 PM
Heres the top scorers in championship list adjusted to exclude pens,  Jay comes in equal 22nd !


Well you can muck around with stats to prove any point.  I think he has played well in a sort of forward mid-field role.  He has worked hard and provided some valuable assists.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on November 30, 2018, 06:29:06 PM
Full disclosure - I love the guy. I think he's shown some real class, determination and leadership recently. For me he's a class act.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie53 on November 30, 2018, 06:44:13 PM
It's true some of his goals have been pens, but look how many pens Shearer scored
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on November 30, 2018, 08:00:51 PM

Why when they rejected more than that in the summer?

Can you provide a link for this bid, because I cannot find anything, which would have had to be over £15m for a player who hadn't been around for long and certainly would not be classed as proven.

Brentford have a long history of functioning on accepting bids and then getting in replacements through their money ball system.

That is why they sold gray, tarkowski, jota,  Woods and hogan amongst others.

All were sold for under 10m.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on November 30, 2018, 10:51:48 PM
Like it or not, his goals scored stat is flattered thanks to the pens he has scored. I'm not sure he's won a pen yet either?

Obviously, it's still goals but they ARE as close to a 'gimme' as you can get. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBArgo on November 30, 2018, 10:53:04 PM
Nothing wrong with scoring penalties, remember the times we couldn't score them for fun?
It shows he is composed and confident which is needed for a striker.

I think he's done ok this season. Sometimes he ghosts out of games for too long, but other times he comes up with important goals. Regardless, I am happy with him so far.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on December 03, 2018, 12:43:49 PM
Full disclosure - I love the guy. I think he's shown some real class, determination and leadership recently. For me he's a class act.

I'm with you Frazzle
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2018, 09:02:48 PM
Absolute fraud. Praying Burnley come back in with anything remotely 8 figures in January.  >:(
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on December 03, 2018, 10:02:14 PM
I rest my case.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on December 03, 2018, 10:10:07 PM
Burnley will hopefully come in for him in January
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2018, 10:11:54 PM
well, if Rondon had missed that many gilt edge chances as JRod did tonight.................

He's a clever player in many ways but he is really struggling in front of goal at the moment
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on December 03, 2018, 10:28:17 PM
Ok it was a bad miss but those chances where you have to lunge forward at full stretch, there is a risk it catches the wrong part of your foot as you're not in total control of your body.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on December 03, 2018, 10:41:17 PM
Ok it was a bad miss but those chances where you have to lunge forward at full stretch, there is a risk it catches the wrong part of your foot as you're not in total control of your body.
my five year old daughter would have put that away and she wouldn't be worried about her pony tail awful miss end of
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on December 03, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
Ok it was a bad miss but those chances where you have to lunge forward at full stretch, there is a risk it catches the wrong part of your foot as you're not in total control of your body.

He was in total control though. It wasn't on the stretch he was sliding and comfortably getting to the ball.  The guy just isn't a great finisher.  He also had a bunch of other chances, air shots,  mis controls, taking too long to get his shot off, making the wrong decision, etc

We looked like we were playing with two competition winners up top.  Bit harsh on HRK, because he at least offered something in other areas of the pitch.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 03, 2018, 10:53:07 PM
Needs a spell on the bench.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 03, 2018, 11:01:40 PM
Needs a spell on the bench.

He does. Away from home Gayle as the outlet offers you far more. He can't finish and those games when we only get one chance and we need the net to bulge.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 03, 2018, 11:35:54 PM
Would be a top player if he could just learn to hit that donkeys ass with the banjo!!  Good touch, workrate and attitude....s.**t finsher and must score 1 chance in 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on December 04, 2018, 04:18:34 AM
Terrible misses again, please come back in for him Burnley.

In an ideal world they pay what they offered for him in the summer and we get vydra on loan from them.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Adder on December 04, 2018, 06:41:56 PM
He was in total control though. It wasn't on the stretch he was sliding and comfortably getting to the ball.  The guy just isn't a great finisher.  He also had a bunch of other chances, air shots,  mis controls, taking too long to get his shot off, making the wrong decision, etc

We looked like we were playing with two competition winners up top.  Bit harsh on HRK, because he at least offered something in other areas of the pitch.
If you're sliding you lose some control though, that's why it's bad when tacklers go off their feet. Anyway we are agreed it was a bad miss. As for HRK's header, again he should have scored no doubt but there was a little 'clever' push in his back while he was airborne which probably didn't help.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 04, 2018, 09:38:42 PM
Needs a spell on the bench.
The bench in the barbers
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on December 04, 2018, 10:46:01 PM
I find it amazing how Jay seems to avoid a large amount criticism, he’s been poor for some time now, I’m sure he’s a really nice guy and he works hard but his performances and finishing have been way off. Hate to say it but if this was Rondon playing this way he’d being getting absolutely slated.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 05, 2018, 01:28:25 PM
I find it amazing how Jay seems to avoid a large amount criticism, he’s been poor for some time now, I’m sure he’s a really nice guy and he works hard but his performances and finishing have been way off. Hate to say it but if this was Rondon playing this way he’d being getting absolutely slated.


Spot on. Also worth noting Rondon has never played as poorly for us as Rodriguez has for the majority of this season, and in a much better division too.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 05, 2018, 02:11:26 PM

Spot on. Also worth noting Rondon has never played as poorly for us as Rodriguez has for the majority of this season, and in a much better division too.

Rondon in the current 4-3-3 set up would be a beast.  I'm not convinced he is a natural finisher either but would have been interesting to find out given the number of chances we now create.

JRod is a likeable footballer and there was no mention of strops or dummies out of the pram in the summer which I appreciated.  But I reckon he must be nearly in double figures for missed chances already this season (not half chances either).   He is either a decent striker who is a confidence player and has poor runs of form, or a very average striker who occasionally hits a run of good form.   It's also surprising how much his aptitude for taking penalties masks his actual goal return - although it should be noted that he doesn't win them.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on December 05, 2018, 03:19:16 PM
Given the quality of many of the chances which have fallen his way, allied to him being on penalties, he really should be on at least 16 goals by now. Hope he bags the winner on Friday. But if we fail to win and he misses as many chances as versus Brentford he can keep walking down the tunnel without bothering with a shower on the way out.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on December 05, 2018, 04:36:41 PM
Rondon in the current 4-3-3 set up would be a beast.  I'm not convinced he is a natural finisher either but would have been interesting to find out given the number of chances we now create.

JRod is a likeable footballer and there was no mention of strops or dummies out of the pram in the summer which I appreciated.  But I reckon he must be nearly in double figures for missed chances already this season (not half chances either).   He is either a decent striker who is a confidence player and has poor runs of form, or a very average striker who occasionally hits a run of good form.   It's also surprising how much his aptitude for taking penalties masks his actual goal return - although it should be noted that he doesn't win them.
It’s a good point, his figures are bulked out by the penalties but all of them have been won my Gayle. Id love JRod to find his form but in reality I don’t think he’s good enough. If Burnley come back for him with a sensible offer I’d be tempted to take it and invest it in someone like assombalonga or even Neal Maupay.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on December 08, 2018, 09:14:55 PM
What a player no?! The hand of Rod!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 08, 2018, 10:07:21 PM
Time to shake his hand and say "goodbye"?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on December 09, 2018, 12:29:14 AM
Time to shake his hand and say "goodbye"?

I'll give him a hand packing if Burnley hand over the money.

Obviously there will be handkerchiefs readily available for those who cannot handle his departure.

Hopefully, we'll find a more handy player upfront after we make an handsome profit on him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie53 on December 09, 2018, 07:34:15 PM
I'll give him a hand packing if Burnley hand over the money.

Obviously there will be handkerchiefs readily available for those who cannot handle his departure.

Hopefully, we'll find a more handy player upfront after we make an handsome profit on him.

What? More handy than Jay was on Friday?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tylerm on December 09, 2018, 08:47:39 PM
Seriously if Burnley,who could well be desperate in January came back in with 15 million you would snatch their hands off.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: barnestormer on December 10, 2018, 10:52:07 AM
Seriously if Burnley,who could well be desperate in January came back in with 15 million you would snatch their hands off.
Only if we reinvested the money and Laid doesn't trouser it,has he trousered the Chadli dosh? Well soon find out
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 10, 2018, 04:05:40 PM
Seriously if Burnley,who could well be desperate in January came back in with 15 million you would snatch their hands off.

I know he's a Burnley lad, but if they have watched him more than once or twice this season there is no way they will come in with a bid that big.   Maybe knock the ten digit off.....and at that point you have to question if it's worth selling unless he really wants to go.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on December 10, 2018, 04:30:25 PM
Given the quality of many of the chances which have fallen his way, allied to him being on penalties, he really should be on at least 16 goals by now. Hope he bags the winner on Friday. But if we fail to win and he misses as many chances as versus Brentford he can keep walking down the tunnel without bothering with a shower on the way out.

He need never shower his arms again, SOTV  8) .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 10, 2018, 06:26:44 PM
So it's Jay's turn to be the scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was HRK I suppose if Gayle misses a couple it will be is turn next. Amazing considering that a player who  consistently misses chances and is not at our club this season is still getting praise on this forum.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on December 10, 2018, 07:01:17 PM
So it's Jay's turn to be the scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was HRK I suppose if Gayle misses a couple it will be is turn next. Amazing considering that a player who  consistently misses chances and is not at our club this season is still getting praise on this forum.

Acknowledging his goal return could be better given the quality of chances which have fallen his way is not scapegoating, it's acknowledging his goals return could be better given the quality of chances which have fallen his way.

Personally I'm of the opinion (and that's all it is) that he really should have had a few more. Do you think his goal return could/should be better than 6 in 21 games (from open play + 4 penalties) given the quality of chances which have fallen his way at a lower level where he has infinitely more support than Rondon had in the Prem'?

As for Rondon I thought he came in for a lot of stick last season. Some was very harsh and some was bang on the money. Can't really pass comment in relation to the 'praise' he's been getting in his absence as I don't remember seeing much.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 11, 2018, 08:31:01 AM
I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more but 10 in 21 games is very good. Yes 4 of them have been penalties but so what he still has to score them. I bet Afobe, Rhodes and Adams(?) wish they all had an extra goal in their scoring rates when they missed against us.

The way people talk about it you'd think all penalties are scored when in fact this season in the Championship 59 penalties have been awarded and 43 of them scored which is a 72.8% success rate.

Personally I'd be gutted if we let Rodriguez go in January as he offers plenty to the team apart from just goals. Also that would leave us one striker short so we'd have to get a replacement in, as well as a CM and possibly a RB.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on December 11, 2018, 12:06:29 PM
I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more but 10 in 21 games is very good. Yes 4 of them have been penalties but so what he still has to score them. I bet Afobe, Rhodes and Adams(?) wish they all had an extra goal in their scoring rates when they missed against us.

Considering the amount of easy chances we have created for him 10/21 including 6/21 from open play is very poor. He should be on at least 15 by now. Dwight Gayle has won him most of those penalties, notably J-Rod has not won any for Gayle. Our best striker clearly is DG, and it is madness for him to be playing left wing, get him up front in the middle and build the team around him. J-Rod can go on the left and run around like he does with his average end quality.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 11, 2018, 12:45:17 PM
So it's Jay's turn to be the scapegoat, a few weeks ago it was HRK I suppose if Gayle misses a couple it will be is turn next. Amazing considering that a player who  consistently misses chances and is not at our club this season is still getting praise on this forum.

It's not scapegoating if it's justified criticism. If Rodriguez was a better finisher, he'd have more goals and we'd have more points.

Robson-Kanu deserves all the stick he gets because he's not good enough for this club, and just working hard doesn't make up for it, but he hasn't been scapegoated at any point either.

Meanwhile Rondon is playing well for Newcastle, and would offer a different type of striker at this level - one with more physical presence, and perhaps a better foil for Gayle than the more lightweight Rodriguez.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on December 11, 2018, 12:49:56 PM
I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more but 10 in 21 games is very good. Yes 4 of them have been penalties but so what he still has to score them. I bet Afobe, Rhodes and Adams(?) wish they all had an extra goal in their scoring rates when they missed against us.

The way people talk about it you'd think all penalties are scored when in fact this season in the Championship 59 penalties have been awarded and 43 of them scored which is a 72.8% success rate.

Personally I'd be gutted if we let Rodriguez go in January as he offers plenty to the team apart from just goals. Also that would leave us one striker short so we'd have to get a replacement in, as well as a CM and possibly a RB.

Thanks, I've got that ta. The point was I think he should have converted more from open play given the quality of chances which have fallen his way, I really do. The start of your opening line "I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more....." alludes to us being in agreement there.

I only care what the forwards of other clubs do in regard to how it affects us, and so in that case I'm quite glad if they leave their shooting boots at home. But then I wasn't comparing him to others as I'm only concerned about his return for us. I appreciate there is more to Jay's game than goals (two assists and a lot of movement and running) and I haven't called for him to he be sold. I've just acknowledged that his goal return could be better, as have you.

If we sold him then frankly I'd be amazed were we to then part with much cash to bring in a replacement not to mention the reinforcements required elsewhere. And I repeat for anyone who is in doubt ('59  ;) ), I am not scapegoating him. I've just given an honest point of view regarding his return in proportion to the amount of decent chances which have been presented to him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 11, 2018, 01:07:48 PM
Considering the amount of easy chances we have created for him 10/21 including 6/21 from open play is very poor. He should be on at least 15 by now. Dwight Gayle has won him most of those penalties, notably J-Rod has not won any for Gayle. Our best striker clearly is DG, and it is madness for him to be playing left wing, get him up front in the middle and build the team around him. J-Rod can go on the left and run around like he does with his average end quality.

I agree Gayle is the better goalscorer of the two and he should be playing through the middle.

What I don't understand is the comments about Gayle winning the penalties for Rodriguez but Rodriguez not winning any for Gayle (Gayle isn't the penalty taker Rodriguez is), what has that got to do with anything? All that says to me is that Rodriguez plays in a more supportive role to Gayle.

Their stats are pretty similar too, Gayle has about 1 shot per goal less than Rodriguez and scores on average every 115 minutes compared to Rodriguez's 167 minutes, so not that much in it really.

https://www.fctables.com/players/dwight_gayle-230791/
https://www.fctables.com/players/jay_rodriguez-254852/
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 11, 2018, 01:12:09 PM
Thanks, I've got that ta. The point was I think he should have converted more from open play given the quality of chances which have fallen his way, I really do. The start of your opening line "I think Rodriguez should have scored a few more....." alludes to us being in agreement there.

I only care what the forwards of other clubs do in regard to how it affects us, and so in that case I'm quite glad if they leave their shooting boots at home. But then I wasn't comparing him to others as I'm only concerned about his return for us. I appreciate there is more to Jay's game than goals (two assists and a lot of movement and running) and I haven't called for him to he be sold. I've just acknowledged that his goal return could be better, as have you.

If we sold him then frankly I'd be amazed were we to then part with much cash to bring in a replacement not to mention the reinforcements required elsewhere. And I repeat for anyone who is in doubt ('59  ;) ), I am not scapegoating him. I've just given an honest point of view regarding his return in proportion to the amount of decent chances which have been presented to him.

My post wasn't in response to yours hence why I didn't directly quote you :D but yes we agree that Rodriguez should have scored more goals given the chances he's had.

My general point is that Rodriguez is nowhere near as bad as he is being made out to be.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggiebof on December 11, 2018, 01:15:09 PM
Something that hasn't really been mentioned in relation to Rodriguez is his work rate, defensive discipline and ability to drop deep. I am not saying that they are the first things you think about when discussing a central striker but Moore seems keen to leave our wide players high and for the centre forward position to drop in deep to help out the midfield - therefore Rodriguez is valuable as he fulfils this role well.

Like many, I do feel that we need to get Gayle in the team centrally and I agree that Rodriguez does not seem to be a 'killer' when it comes to finishing chances and that far too many have been missed, but I can appreciate his value. Perhaps there is a slightly more horses for courses approach that can be applied as to who is selected centrally out of the two. For games where we are likely to be dominant then I would have Gayle up there but for games like Friday, perhaps Rodriguez's willingness and ability to drop in deep and help the midfield would be more valuable from the start than Gayle.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on December 14, 2018, 11:00:17 PM
Another non performance from Jrod, please Burnley come back in for him.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: slate on December 14, 2018, 11:06:51 PM
Another non performance from Jrod, please Burnley come back in for him.

Rather than your constant criticism about this player, maybe you could try and support him? He's a decent forward, as demonstrated in spells over the past couple of seasons, and with some renewed confidence could come good again for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on December 14, 2018, 11:38:05 PM
Rather than your constant criticism about this player, maybe you could try and support him? He's a decent forward, as demonstrated in spells over the past couple of seasons, and with some renewed confidence could come good again for us.

Nice one, I'll send him a Xmas card and present, that will get him firing.

It's a wba forum and that's my opinion of him. I don't boo anyone at games, but that doesn't make me a happy clapper and I just don't see what you obviously do in Jrod.

Tell me one good thing he did tonight?

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2018, 12:01:49 AM
Nice one, I'll send him a Xmas card and present, that will get him firing.

It's a wba forum and that's my opinion of him. I don't boo anyone at games, but that doesn't make me a happy clapper and I just don't see what you obviously do in Jrod.

Tell me one good thing he did tonight?


Body swerve to beat his man, unfortunately instead of then slipping Gayle in 1 on 1 he blazed it into the stand from 30 yards. That was about it.


He's been really poor this year, the attacking version of Bartley, but it seems to be met with indifference by most of the fans.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 15, 2018, 05:21:46 AM

Body swerve to beat his man, unfortunately instead of then slipping Gayle in 1 on 1 he blazed it into the stand from 30 yards. That was about it.


He's been really poor this year, the attacking version of Bartley, but it seems to be met with indifference by most of the fans.

Was a nice touch and turn but as you said the pass was on. Fortunately the 1 goal margin was enough
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 15, 2018, 06:32:05 AM
I think he’s been excellent this year despite missing a few sitters. He was very poor last night though and I’d have taken him off and moved Phillips out to the right.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: slate on December 15, 2018, 12:37:59 PM
Nice one, I'll send him a Xmas card and present, that will get him firing.

It's a wba forum and that's my opinion of him. I don't boo anyone at games, but that doesn't make me a happy clapper and I just don't see what you obviously do in Jrod.

Tell me one good thing he did tonight?

1) Excellent run to the near post, dragging the defender away to create space for Barry to equalise.

2) Kept his eye on the ball as Gibbs dropped in the winner.

3) 80% sure had boots on correct feet.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on December 15, 2018, 12:44:15 PM
Gayle needs to start in the middle though and J-Rod should go out wide or be dropped for HRK.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on December 15, 2018, 01:11:40 PM
Jrod should be wrapped in cotton wool and the prayers said got Burnley to come with a stupid bid for him.

Gibbs is close to Jrod for goals in open play I think.

Says it all imo.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on December 15, 2018, 01:59:36 PM
Jrod should be wrapped in cotton wool and the prayers said got Burnley to come with a stupid bid for him.

Gibbs is close to Jrod for goals in open play I think.

Says it all imo.

He is not nearly as bad as some on here make out. Was poor last night but has had decent games too and always gives his all. If he goes to Burnley, who replaces him? We should maybe be careful about what we wish for.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 15, 2018, 02:51:14 PM
He is not nearly as bad as some on here make out. Was poor last night but has had decent games too and always gives his all. If he goes to Burnley, who replaces him? We should maybe be careful about what we wish for.

Agreed. Many just love to find a negative on these forums these days. He's been excellent all season but like all players he has better days than others. Nobody seems to remember his great performance at home to Leeds setting up two goals with skilful and powerful runs.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on December 15, 2018, 04:10:53 PM
He's not been "excellent" all season.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 15, 2018, 04:14:23 PM
He's not been "excellent" all season.
I'd certainly give him a B+ for the season so far, he plays a role as asked in order to fit into an overall 11 man team system
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on December 15, 2018, 04:24:30 PM
Even that's generous. I'd say a C, alright, could do better.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on December 15, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
The much maligned Rondon has 5 goals to his name in a more demanding league and having Miyazaki’s lot of games through injuries. Whereas JR has 6!
It’s not scapegoating the player to point out that his contribution in terms of goals is not what you would expect in a free scoring team!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on December 27, 2018, 12:15:52 AM
I thought he was excellent yesterday. The goals are an obvious reason for my saying this but his work rate and general contribution were very good too. I do hope Gayle is not out for long because HRK is just not the answer, particularly in terms of goal scoring ability.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2018, 08:15:23 AM
Thought his performance was consistent with the majority of performances this year. A couple of goals always helps but he always starts for me. He might mid place the odd pass and has missed a few sitters which of course is very frustrating, but I think he offers far more and his leadership and running power is essential for this side. If we lost him we would suffer badly. But hey, let’s have a pop at him anyway. It can’t do any harm, or can it?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on December 27, 2018, 09:56:01 AM
I thought he had his best game of the season yesterday. He dropped deep, found space and used the ball well.Took his two goals really well.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on December 27, 2018, 10:04:42 AM
IF one were cynical,
One could say that an upturn in form coinciding with the transfer window being about to open may be more than a coincidence, BUT that is being over cynical perhaps.

Burnley are continuing to struggle and it seems Dyche (or Burnleys scouting network at least) have been a fan of Jay for a while, I would not be at all surprised to see them coming back with a tempting offer for Jay,

What do people think it would take to prise hm away in Jan??

personally i think anything over 15m and he is gone.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 27, 2018, 10:07:31 AM
I have been critical of Jrod at times this year, mainly due to missed chances, and still think that ideally he needs an instinctive and natural finisher along side him  but he was superb all round yesterday.  As well as the goals his passing was very good with some slick link up play.  His work rate this year has been commendable and yesterday I remember him making a goal saving challenge as last man on our 6 yard line.   

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on December 27, 2018, 10:15:21 AM
West Brom manager Darren Moore says he is not concerned about possible January interest from Premier League clubs for English striker Jay Rodriguez, 29.

Source: Times - subscription required
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Oldbury24 on December 27, 2018, 10:15:57 AM
IF one were cynical,
One could say that an upturn in form coinciding with the transfer window being about to open may be more than a coincidence, BUT that is being over cynical perhaps.

Burnley are continuing to struggle and it seems Dyche (or Burnleys scouting network at least) have been a fan of Jay for a while, I would not be at all surprised to see them coming back with a tempting offer for Jay,

What do people think it would take to prise hm away in Jan??

personally i think anything over 15m and he is gone.

A few weeks ago, after missing a couple of sitters and costing us points his confidence looked shot and i would have taken a fresh tenner and bag of crisps.   On yesterday's performance I would have him back in that £15 million bracket for his all round play.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on December 27, 2018, 11:15:17 AM
Two good goals yesterday certainly pushed up his valuation and as we don't have to sell I'd put a 30 million pound price on his head and if a prem club are willing to pay that good business for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 27, 2018, 02:15:59 PM
The good
He puts in the effort and does have a decent shot on him, pretty clinical from penalties

The bad
First touch ain't great, his continued selection means better finishers (Gayle) end up pushed wide, like what we did with Odemwingie, always bloody apologising to the opposition players
That bloody hair
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 27, 2018, 03:16:54 PM
The good
He puts in the effort and does have a decent shot on him, pretty clinical from penalties

The bad
First touch ain't great, his continued selection means better finishers (Gayle) end up pushed wide, like what we did with Odemwingie, always bloody apologising to the opposition players
That bloody hair
Gayle as 13 and Rodriguez as 12? All good strikers miss chances at least he get's in the right positions to miss!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on December 27, 2018, 04:11:43 PM
Gayle as 13 and Rodriguez as 12? All good strikers miss chances at least he get's in the right positions to miss!

Very true, all players do miss chances and Rodriguez's goals yesterday were quality.

And after all it's only taken Jay an extra 796 minutes of playing time and 20 more chances for him to get within one goal of Dwight.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers

Still, when they count they count (Hand of Rod  8) ) and I'll be as happy as a pig in sh it if his goals help us towards eventual promotion.

Big up to Jay and COYB.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Windmill Baggy on December 27, 2018, 04:32:39 PM
The good
He puts in the effort and does have a decent shot on him, pretty clinical from penalties

The bad
First touch ain't great, his continued selection means better finishers (Gayle) end up pushed wide, like what we did with Odemwingie, always bloody apologising to the opposition players
That bloody hair

I think Rodriguez is possibly the teams most underrated player. Great work-rate, intelligent movement and use of the ball and has the ability to create something or make the goalkeeper work out of nothing. Yes, he has missed some chances, but which attacking player doesn't? He has also been played pretty deep for most of the season. To all extents and purposes at times he has been playing as more of an attacking midfielder than an out and out striker. He has been crucial this season in that he gives the team balance. I see him as no less influential than Barnes or Gayle and we would miss him just as much if not as more than them if he got injured or sold.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2018, 04:35:39 PM
I think Rodriguez is possibly the teams most underrated player. Great work-rate, intelligent movement and use of the ball and has the ability to create something or make the goalkeeper work out of nothing. Yes, he has missed some chances, but which attacking player doesn't? He has also been played pretty deep for most of the season. To all extents and purposes at times he has been playing as more of an attacking midfielder than an out and out striker. He has been crucial this season in that he gives the team balance. I see him as no less influential than Barnes or Gayle and we would miss him just as much if not as more than them if he got injured or sold.


This is just not true. None of the emboldened part of the quote is true.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 27, 2018, 04:52:36 PM
I think Rodriguez is possibly the teams most underrated player. Great work-rate, intelligent movement and use of the ball and has the ability to create something or make the goalkeeper work out of nothing. Yes, he has missed some chances, but which attacking player doesn't? He has also been played pretty deep for most of the season. To all extents and purposes at times he has been playing as more of an attacking midfielder than an out and out striker. He has been crucial this season in that he gives the team balance. I see him as no less influential than Barnes or Gayle and we would miss him just as much if not as more than them if he got injured or sold.
Agree with everything you say, but some just won't have it! There prerogative though.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2018, 05:29:33 PM

This is just not true. None of the emboldened part of the quote is true.

The bold bits are the best bits.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on December 27, 2018, 05:36:21 PM
Very good header against Wigan, decent strike for the second but goalkeeping error that it went in, wouldn't happen next season if we go up. I've been critical of him a lot this season, missed far too many and been erratic, that back pass at home to Derby and that open goal against Brentford have cost us points. Better against Wigan. Jury is still out for me. Working hard. Just needs a bit more common sense and composure at times.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 27, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
Very good header against Wigan, decent strike for the second but goalkeeping error that it went in, wouldn't happen next season if we go up. I've been critical of him a lot this season, missed far too many and been erratic, that back pass at home to Derby and that open goal against Brentford have cost us points. Better against Wigan. Jury is still out for me. Working hard. Just needs a bit more common sense and composure at times.

Yet created two against Leeds, scores two yesterday. The importance of the two against Bristol. The one that hit the bar against bristol. The one that hit the post against Rotherham that gayle scored.  JRod has benefitted from penalties and the crosses from Gayle but Gayle has benefitted from JRod.

He tends to drop deeper to allow Barnes and Gayle stay up more often. Of course he misses chances but he’s not a world class striker, he’s a fallible but hard working and honest striker that is on target for at least 20 goals. I don’t know why we have to pick at our players. It’s just a nonsense.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: johnnyg on December 27, 2018, 06:54:11 PM

This is just not true. None of the emboldened part of the quote is true.

............in your opinion.
Many fans would tend to agree with the bit you put in bold.
We all have our opinions. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 27, 2018, 07:26:53 PM
............in your opinion.
Many fans would tend to agree with the bit you put in bold.
We all have our opinions.
He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 27, 2018, 07:39:57 PM
He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.

To be fair, he does keep dropping deep to pick up and play the ball. He may be a centre-forward by design, but he's cropping up in different positions - whether that's to try and create space I don't know, but he has been back further than Barnes and Gayle / Robson-Kanu a few times when we've been defending.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on December 27, 2018, 10:40:47 PM
Darren Moore Jay as been superb for us he is a great lad and a true professional he as done a great job in the positions we have asked him to play some of which he is not used to playing but I am sure if I asked him to play anywhere on the pitch he would. Now my take on it he as not repeat as not been playing centre forward.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: johnnyg on December 27, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.

It is your opinion. Thats what this site is about .
You have your opinion on Jays role, I have mine, and others have theirs.
Its your opinion.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on December 28, 2018, 02:29:09 AM
If the chance arose would anyone on here sell Jrod to Burnley for £15m and get vydra or vokes on loan as part of the deal until the end of the season?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2018, 04:34:53 AM
He has NOT at any stage this season played attacking midfield, it's not my opinion. He's playing centre forward.

His position on the pitch isn’t limited by his position on a piece of paper.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 28, 2018, 04:51:16 AM
If the chance arose would anyone on here sell Jrod to Burnley for £15m and get vydra or vokes on loan as part of the deal until the end of the season?
At £20 Million, yes
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 28, 2018, 05:11:37 AM
Centre forward? Centre forward? More like an inside forward stroke attacking midfield stroke free role behind the main attackers maybe
Astle, Regis, Taylor were centre forwards Rodriquez certainly 'aint being played as a centre forward
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2018, 08:53:21 AM
Has long as he is replaced i wont loose any sleep if hes off to Burnley in Jan
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2018, 09:14:42 AM
Has long as he is replaced i wont loose any sleep if hes off to Burnley in Jan

I think he is s popular personality and member of the team. I don’t want anything to be destabilised.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on December 28, 2018, 09:22:10 AM
His position on the pitch isn’t limited by his position on a piece of paper.

In that case you could also argue he's played centre half because he's back there during corners.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on December 28, 2018, 09:35:49 AM
In that case you could also argue he's played centre half because he's back there during corners.

Shh,   You fool!!!   :o   If TP gets to hear that he'll put a bid in !  :D
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NJS on December 28, 2018, 09:50:46 AM
Jay has put in an all round shift this season.  IMHO he has certainly helped out in midfield just as he did when we beat Liverpool last season.
I wouldn't swop him for Vydra whom I don't recall being that effective when he last played for us. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on December 28, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
I can't believe ten games in or whatever it is some people still do not understand the system and how we play it.

Jay Rodriguez plays as a forward not in anyway, shape or form as a midfielder. He plays centrally but has a duty to drop slightly deeper than the other two (wide) forwards who are expected to stay up top not tracking back. We play with a fluidity that means we interchange. Because we have Barnes and Gibbs down the left our wide right forward generally tends to get into the box off the ball more often and come infield more. I did wonder whether Gayle could do that initially but he has played the role really well of late.

Matt Phillips does not play wide right, he plays right side of a midfield three. He does tend to try and force the issue out wide at times, sometimes vacating the midfield area which isn't always ideal but the reason he does that is because we don't have a right back that can do anything going forward. The wide right forward often comes inside and leaves the right flank vacant for Phillips to exploit. If we sign Tavernier in January then Phillips will probably modify his game slightly which should benefit the team even more.

Adarabioyo does not form a back three at any time in as much as we don't shuffle across into a defensive three, he just barely gets forward so we have three defenders back but that isn't the same as playing a back three. When he does go forward he barely ever passes forwards and can't cross a ball which is why Phillips sometimes has to force the issue down the right flank.

We do play with a fluidity which sees players turn up in other positions of the field but Jay Rods principal role is to play as a central forward but he doesn't play on the shoulder or with his back to goal he is expected to drop deeper and pick up the ball facing goal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on December 28, 2018, 11:20:17 AM
Rodriguez is definitely playing centre forward in a fairly fluid 3. However whoever is the Centre Forward will have to drop deep to provide a platform for the rest of the team to get forward. Jay's role varies slightly depending on who is in the wide right role. When Gayle is on the pitch often he will drop deeper allowing Gayle to be the most advanced player albeit from a wide starting position. On the other hand he will tend to drop less when HRK is on the pitch who is more comfortable with his back to goal.

I suspect Rodriguez is one of those forwards who is loved more by the coaches than the fans. The coaches appreciate a lot of the work he does more than just the finishing off of chances. With regard to selling him of course I would sell him in a heartbeat provided we could replace him with a forward who was totally comfortable playing anywhere across a front 3 who is likely to get us 10 plus goals through the second half of the season. So in other words not for sale not while we are in the promotion mix.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on December 28, 2018, 11:56:30 AM
If the chance arose would anyone on here sell Jrod to Burnley for £15m and get vydra or vokes on loan as part of the deal until the end of the season?

Absolutely not. He is a better player than either of those mentioned. And although not what you would call a natural goal scorer like Gayle, does weigh in with a fair number of goals.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on December 28, 2018, 12:54:36 PM
In that case you could also argue he's played centre half because he's back there during corners.

Now you are getting silly :)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2018, 12:07:34 PM
Absolutely not. He is a better player than either of those mentioned. And although not what you would call a natural goal scorer like Gayle, does weigh in with a fair number of goals.

He’s only 1 behind Gayle at the moment.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: 1954 on December 29, 2018, 12:29:40 PM
I can't believe ten games in or whatever it is some people still do not understand the system and how we play it.

Jay Rodriguez plays as a forward not in anyway, shape or form as a midfielder. He plays centrally but has a duty to drop slightly deeper than the other two (wide) forwards who are expected to stay up top not tracking back. We play with a fluidity that means we interchange. Because we have Barnes and Gibbs down the left our wide right forward generally tends to get into the box off the ball more often and come infield more. I did wonder whether Gayle could do that initially but he has played the role really well of late.

Matt Phillips does not play wide right, he plays right side of a midfield three. He does tend to try and force the issue out wide at times, sometimes vacating the midfield area which isn't always ideal but the reason he does that is because we don't have a right back that can do anything going forward. The wide right forward often comes inside and leaves the right flank vacant for Phillips to exploit. If we sign Tavernier in January then Phillips will probably modify his game slightly which should benefit the team even more.

Adarabioyo does not form a back three at any time in as much as we don't shuffle across into a defensive three, he just barely gets forward so we have three defenders back but that isn't the same as playing a back three. When he does go forward he barely ever passes forwards and can't cross a ball which is why Phillips sometimes has to force the issue down the right flank.

We do play with a fluidity which sees players turn up in other positions of the field but Jay Rods principal role is to play as a central forward but he doesn't play on the shoulder or with his back to goal he is expected to drop deeper and pick up the ball facing goal.

Spot on Atomic.  Agree with every point you made. Couldn't have put it any better myself!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on December 29, 2018, 12:58:56 PM
I can't believe ten games in or whatever it is some people still do not understand the system and how we play it.

Jay Rodriguez plays as a forward not in anyway, shape or form as a midfielder. He plays centrally but has a duty to drop slightly deeper than the other two (wide) forwards who are expected to stay up top not tracking back. We play with a fluidity that means we interchange. Because we have Barnes and Gibbs down the left our wide right forward generally tends to get into the box off the ball more often and come infield more. I did wonder whether Gayle could do that initially but he has played the role really well of late.

Matt Phillips does not play wide right, he plays right side of a midfield three. He does tend to try and force the issue out wide at times, sometimes vacating the midfield area which isn't always ideal but the reason he does that is because we don't have a right back that can do anything going forward. The wide right forward often comes inside and leaves the right flank vacant for Phillips to exploit. If we sign Tavernier in January then Phillips will probably modify his game slightly which should benefit the team even more.

Adarabioyo does not form a back three at any time in as much as we don't shuffle across into a defensive three, he just barely gets forward so we have three defenders back but that isn't the same as playing a back three. When he does go forward he barely ever passes forwards and can't cross a ball which is why Phillips sometimes has to force the issue down the right flank.

We do play with a fluidity which sees players turn up in other positions of the field but Jay Rods principal role is to play as a central forward but he doesn't play on the shoulder or with his back to goal he is expected to drop deeper and pick up the ball facing goal.
Yes, this assymettry between the way we go forward between left and right could not be outined much more clearly, and as we are setting up with attack very much in mind it is affecting the way we defend.  I do think the CHS are on the lookout for Gibbs being caught forward, so even if Adarabioyo doesn't shuffle across much the CHs seem to a bit.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BalisPen on December 29, 2018, 05:50:49 PM
Anybody see the apparent stamp?

His first sending off in his career and 3 match ban comes when Gayle is out.

I was in the east stand and didn't see anything and actually thought he'd sent one of their's off for something in the melee afterwards.

Prior to that I'd thought he'd become a hacker he was that anonymous.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 29, 2018, 06:36:33 PM
Anybody see the apparent stamp?

His first sending off in his career and 3 match ban comes when Gayle is out.

I was in the east stand and didn't see anything and actually thought he'd sent one of their's off for something in the melee afterwards.

Prior to that I'd thought he'd become a hacker he was that anonymous.
Here you go make your own mind up I thought he trod on him accidentally trying to get out of the way
https://twitter.com/i/status/1079052522013290496
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheBrom on December 29, 2018, 06:47:24 PM
Here you go make your own mind up I thought he trod on him accidentally trying to get out of the way
https://twitter.com/i/status/1079052522013290496

That’s exactly how I saw it. Reckon from the linesman’s angle he’s seen the leg go down after (when JRod lands on the grass over him) and thought that was the stamp since the bloke was rolling round. Imagine it’ll be rescinded. Their bloke then didn’t help himself feigning injury later on when Johnstone got booked either which may help us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 29, 2018, 07:43:06 PM
Here you go make your own mind up I thought he trod on him accidentally trying to get out of the way
https://twitter.com/i/status/1079052522013290496
It looks like Rod was trying to get out of the way of tangled legs.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2018, 08:24:40 PM
It looks like Rod was trying to get out of the way of tangled legs.
the refs watching it from 5 yards and clearly waves play on so he sees nothing wrong. Rodriguez doesn't look down at the player at anytime so I don't see how he stamps intentionally. I would appeal that and be confident of getting it overturned.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: matt_wba912 on December 29, 2018, 08:29:21 PM
when I saw it I said to my dad if the ref/linos seen that then he's off, looked like he consciously moved towards the player from where i was in the brummie.

not massively malicious, more petulant than anything and frankly stupid
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Standaman on December 29, 2018, 08:45:25 PM
The Wednesday player has gone down under a challenge from Jay. He rolls forward making a total meal of the initial challenge Jay is trying to avoid the player doing his dying fly impression and catches him. It was the linesman who flagged the offence the ref waived play-on.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 29, 2018, 08:47:16 PM
The Wednesday player has gone down under a challenge from Jay. He rolls forward making a total meal of the initial challenge Jay is trying to avoid the player doing his dying fly impression and catches him. It was the linesman who flagged the offence the ref waived play-on.
As I said earlier...Jay was trying to avoid a tangle of legs.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mikeey89 on December 29, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
From where I was in the East Stand, I had pretty much the same view as the linesman  and it looked to me like an attempt at a stamp. I agreed with the red at first and would’ve been screaming for a red if it was the other way round.

After seeing the replays, I think it was harsh and it’s worth an putting in an appeal.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 30, 2018, 01:25:45 AM
Impossible to tell at that speed. However, the theatrical roll seems to leave Jay limited space to find anywhere to place his right foot back on the pitch.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2018, 08:39:45 AM
Having seen it on replays never once does J Rod look at the player. That doesn't necessarily mean there wasn't intent but I don't think there was. As others have said I think it was more a tangle of legs and Jay had nowhere to put his foot down.

Harsh red, we will appeal and unless there's a different camera angle that is more revealing I'd be surprised if the red isn't rescinded.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on December 30, 2018, 08:57:47 AM
I sit in the East Stand quite close to where the incident happened. What I saw was J Rod moving his leg backwards possible to untangle it, with minimal contact with the player.  The Wednesday player then went down like he had been shot.  As DM said after the match- nothing in it. My cousin who sits behind me is a former league referee, who was also well sighted.  Worryingly he said that although it was marginal he did understand why it had been given. There was some contact ang getting the red rescinded might not be as straight forward as we might hope.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Blowee on December 30, 2018, 10:25:27 AM
Does appealing the card delay the ban so that he would be available for the Blackburn game?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2018, 11:29:12 AM
Does appealing the card delay the ban so that he would be available for the Blackburn game?

I think it usually does not 100% sure though
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionBest on December 30, 2018, 12:17:08 PM
I sit in the East Stand quite close to where the incident happened. What I saw was J Rod moving his leg backwards possible to untangle it, with minimal contact with the player.  The Wednesday player then went down like he had been shot.  As DM said after the match- nothing in it. My cousin who sits behind me is a former league referee, who was also well sighted.  Worryingly he said that although it was marginal he did understand why it had been given. There was some contact ang getting the red rescinded might not be as straight forward as we might hope.

Still cannot see why it was given - I thought the Wednesday player should have been booking for feigning injury !
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2018, 12:18:01 PM
I believe they will decide the appeal outcome tomorrow.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 30, 2018, 12:22:19 PM
If the prat hadn't been rolling around on the floor he wouldn't have got trodden on. That linesman was very much a "look at me" type of official all game.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on December 30, 2018, 01:55:43 PM
As I’ve said in the after match thread, from my seat in brummie it looks like a deliberate flick out of the leg from JRod, more petulant behaviour than violent conduct but you just can’t do it.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggies on December 30, 2018, 05:35:08 PM
Only a single, fixed camera video evidence for the panel to review. Based on it, I would be very surprised if the panel don’t give J-Rod the benefit of the doubt.

Nobody can say for sure if he meant it, and it is a reasonable assertion to say it was an accident. He hasn’t made an obvious stamping motion and his feet were not planted, instead he was hurdling the defender. I’d be surprised if the red card is upheld.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on December 31, 2018, 01:16:36 PM
The discipline page of the FA's web site is currently showing a suspension:

Player                Club                                  Start                End                  Total
Jay Rodriguez   West Bromwich Albion   29.12.2018   12.01.2019   3

I'm hoping this is just standard practise before an appeal is made, heard and adjudicated on

Source: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on December 31, 2018, 01:21:20 PM
Only a single, fixed camera video evidence for the panel to review. Based on it, I would be very surprised if the panel don’t give J-Rod the benefit of the doubt.

Nobody can say for sure if he meant it, and it is a reasonable assertion to say it was an accident. He hasn’t made an obvious stamping motion and his feet were not planted, instead he was hurdling the defender. I’d be surprised if the red card is upheld.
I agree, had there been more angles to review he may have been penalised but from the only available angle I think he’ll have it rescinded. Maybe a benefit of being in the championship
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
The discipline page of the FA's web site is currently showing a suspension:

Player                Club                                  Start                End                  Total
Jay Rodriguez   West Bromwich Albion   29.12.2018   12.01.2019   3

I'm hoping this is just standard practise before an appeal is made, heard and adjudicated on

Source: http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/suspensions

At the bottom of the page.....

........."*Data on this page is updated following receipt of the Match Officials' reports".........

....... standard procedure.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on December 31, 2018, 03:51:02 PM
Any news on appeal thought it would be done by now?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2018, 03:52:35 PM
Any news on appeal thought it would be done by now?


Me too. How bloody long does it take to look at a recording?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2018, 03:59:17 PM
Think it depends on a couple of things:

1. How many times they look at it in slow mo'

2. The quality and variety of the complimentary buffet  ;) .
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2018, 04:27:14 PM
The sodding game at Blackburn will have kicked off at this rate before we get a decision.

Absolutely ridiculous. It should take 20 minutes ABSOLUTELY MAXIMUM and red card should be rescinded.

It's 2019 practically. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on December 31, 2018, 05:11:24 PM
The sodding game at Blackburn will have kicked off at this rate before we get a decision.

Absolutely ridiculous. It should take 20 minutes ABSOLUTELY MAXIMUM and red card should be rescinded.

It's 2019 practically. Pathetic.
have to get out of this Mickley mouse league, could be decided tonight or tomorrow morning   :o
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mikehy on December 31, 2018, 05:20:59 PM
have to get out of this Mickley mouse league, could be decided tonight or tomorrow morning   :o
I prefer this league to the premier league
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: BigFrank20 on December 31, 2018, 05:32:29 PM
I prefer this league to the premier league
This may be a clue as to why many of us prefer the championship
 http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=7483.msg637057#msg637057
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Aztech on December 31, 2018, 06:33:29 PM
It’s been rescinded
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tuamigos on December 31, 2018, 06:37:43 PM
It’s been rescinded

Yep,
on official site now
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Norfolk Baggie on December 31, 2018, 08:24:49 PM
Justice prevails. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Westie on December 31, 2018, 10:35:20 PM
The Sheffield Wednesday players involved should be penalised for exaggeration and for their attempts to have JRod sent off. The one that claimed that he had been stamped on was also the time waster that effectively had Johnstone booked, the Wednesday player should have been booked for time wasting, which would have seen him sent off as he had already been booked!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Westie on December 31, 2018, 10:36:48 PM
Before someone points it out, I know it won’t happen because ‘justice’ only goes so far!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: MarkW on December 31, 2018, 11:35:28 PM
He was booked after JRod was sent off. And Johnstone was carded because you're you're not allowed to manhandle other players who may or may not need medical assistance
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggie79 on February 11, 2019, 03:38:33 PM
Not sure if its just me but I think he is integral to what we do. Yes he is not prolific but he works very hard, wins free kicks and joins up play between the midfield and attack. I'm not sure who his critics would play instead?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2019, 04:04:22 PM
Not sure if its just me but I think he is integral to what we do. Yes he is not prolific but he works very hard, wins free kicks and joins up play between the midfield and attack. I'm not sure who his critics would play instead?

I'd play Gayle through the middle and JRod can compete for one of the wide slots
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: liverbaggie on February 11, 2019, 04:06:48 PM
Totally agree mate about jrod,underestimated player,who has by the way 15 goals!
Keep him in.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: albion59 on February 11, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
Not sure if its just me but I think he is integral to what we do. Yes he is not prolific but he works very hard, wins free kicks and joins up play between the midfield and attack. I'm not sure who his critics would play instead?
No not just you mate I totally agree with you.1 goal behind Gayle but not a good finisher according to some!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2019, 04:33:39 PM
I'd play Gayle through the middle and JRod can compete for one of the wide slots

This.  Play Gayle in his best position previous managers have been slaughtered for not playing our strongest players in their strongest position. 

We're not making the most of Gayle (notice how the pens have dried up now he rarely gets to have the ball in the box?) and we have better options than JRod out wide. 

At the moment we are accommodating JRod to the detriment of the team.  I understood when we were short due to injuries, but we have loaned two wingers and Phillips should be back soon too. 

To me, when we play with 1 up top and two wide attackers, it simply comes down to "who do you rate higher JRod or Gayle?".  It would be Gayle every time.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Baggie79 on February 11, 2019, 04:45:26 PM
This.  Play Gayle in his best position previous managers have been slaughtered for not playing our strongest players in their strongest position. 

We're not making the most of Gayle (notice how the pens have dried up now he rarely gets to have the ball in the box?) and we have better options than JRod out wide. 

At the moment we are accommodating JRod to the detriment of the team.  I understood when we were short due to injuries, but we have loaned two wingers and Phillips should be back soon too. 

To me, when we play with 1 up top and two wide attackers, it simply comes down to "who do you rate higher JRod or Gayle?".  It would be Gayle every time.

The diffence for me is Gayle cant hold the ball up but by and large Jay can, to score we need the ball held in the final third of the pitch before we score tap ins.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2019, 04:51:00 PM
The diffence for me is Gayle cant hold the ball up but by and large Jay can, to score we need the ball held in the final third of the pitch before we score tap ins.

Its a nice problem to have but for me Gayle everytime, he's a natural poacher and too good for the big lumps of CH's in the chumpionship
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: mulliganstired on February 11, 2019, 04:53:11 PM
Its a nice problem to have but for me Gayle everytime, he's a natural poacher and too good for the big lumps of CH's in the chumpionship
I think Jay is good on the ball generally and other teams are aware of this, so having him on the pitch keeps a player and half of their defence occupied, if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2019, 04:55:30 PM
I think Jay is good on the ball generally and other teams are aware of this, so having him on the pitch keeps a player and half of their defence occupied, if that makes sense.

Looks like DM agrees with you.  As I say a problem most managers in this league would love to have.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: AlbionFan on February 11, 2019, 04:55:47 PM
The diffence for me is Gayle cant hold the ball up but by and large Jay can, to score we need the ball held in the final third of the pitch before we score tap ins.

I agree with you and would add that, in my opinion, JRod can play with his back to the goal and bring other players into game while doing so
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2019, 05:18:21 PM
The diffence for me is Gayle cant hold the ball up but by and large Jay can, to score we need the ball held in the final third of the pitch before we score tap ins.

I agree that isn't exactly Gayle's strength but I really don't think JRod is great at it.  At times his first touch is awful and he often loses possession.  He's not HRK bad but remember we're playing JRod there at the expense of a better goal scorer.

I mean, put it this way, do you drop Gayle from the starting line up if Murphy\Phillips\Montero are going to make up the two wide players? 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albion79 on February 11, 2019, 05:19:14 PM
I agree Baggie79.

We tend to play 3 forwards with JRod the link man in the middle, i dont think that suits Gayle at all.

Gayle played in a pair at Newcastle alongside Murphy / Mitrovic / Perez when they won the championship, think he did the same in his more successful times at Palace, when he has played down the middle he has had somebody alongside him.

I think it works well how we do it now, Gayle gives us some pace out wide when he has it but if the ball goes down the middle or out to the opposite side to where he is playing (our forwards inter change a lot) then his first instinct is to get in the box anyway, he doesnt hog the touchline, he is usually in and around the box anyway.

I dont think the role Jrod plays now is his natural role and nor would i say he is great at it but he is the best we have and he does a decent job and you cant fault his goalscoring record.

A Rondon type would be ideal in that role (i hope Newcastle go down and he comes back would love to see what he would be like in an attacking team) and if we got somebody like that i would try Jrod playing a similar job to Gayle but on the opposite side.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on February 11, 2019, 05:34:24 PM
I agree Baggie79.

We tend to play 3 forwards with JRod the link man in the middle, i dont think that suits Gayle at all.

Gayle played in a pair at Newcastle alongside Murphy / Mitrovic / Perez when they won the championship, think he did the same in his more successful times at Palace, when he has played down the middle he has had somebody alongside him.

I think it works well how we do it now, Gayle gives us some pace out wide when he has it but if the ball goes down the middle or out to the opposite side to where he is playing (our forwards inter change a lot) then his first instinct is to get in the box anyway, he doesnt hog the touchline, he is usually in and around the box anyway.

I dont think the role Jrod plays now is his natural role and nor would i say he is great at it but he is the best we have and he does a decent job and you cant fault his goalscoring record.

A Rondon type would be ideal in that role (i hope Newcastle go down and he comes back would love to see what he would be like in an attacking team) and if we got somebody like that i would try Jrod playing a similar job to Gayle but on the opposite side.

Jacob Murphy?

Thought he was playing for Norwich when Newcastle won promotion?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: sammyg on February 11, 2019, 05:36:23 PM
Jacob Murphy?

Thought he was playing for Norwich when Newcastle won promotion?

Think he means Daryl Murphy
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: SmethDan on February 11, 2019, 05:38:45 PM
Think he means Daryl Murphy

Aah fair play, cheers.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: alex1 on February 11, 2019, 06:16:29 PM
I agree Baggie79.

We tend to play 3 forwards with JRod the link man in the middle, i dont think that suits Gayle at all.

Gayle played in a pair at Newcastle alongside Murphy / Mitrovic / Perez when they won the championship, think he did the same in his more successful times at Palace, when he has played down the middle he has had somebody alongside him.

I think it works well how we do it now, Gayle gives us some pace out wide when he has it but if the ball goes down the middle or out to the opposite side to where he is playing (our forwards inter change a lot) then his first instinct is to get in the box anyway, he doesnt hog the touchline, he is usually in and around the box anyway.

I dont think the role Jrod plays now is his natural role and nor would i say he is great at it but he is the best we have and he does a decent job and you cant fault his goalscoring record.

A Rondon type would be ideal in that role (i hope Newcastle go down and he comes back would love to see what he would be like in an attacking team) and if we got somebody like that i would try Jrod playing a similar job to Gayle but on the opposite side.

Not if it meant sending Gayle back to Newcastle. Gayle has far more anticipation in the box than Rondon will ever have.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albion79 on February 11, 2019, 06:31:40 PM
Yeah definitely, i would want to keep Gayle as well as having Rondon back (not that i think we will but we need a Rondon type for that central role i think if we went up)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on February 19, 2019, 10:16:01 PM
not wanting to look over critical but I just can't see anything above an average player in him.
serious question but can anyone recall him heading the ball?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on February 19, 2019, 10:18:17 PM
Poor tonight. Missed two good chances first half, anonymous in an attacking sense second half. Gave the ball away that led to their penalty as well. On the plus side he ran around a lot as usual and worked hard. Mixed bag from him which is often the way.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on February 19, 2019, 10:58:20 PM
17 goals and several assists. If he’s average I just wish he was good.

Not at his best tonight I agree but, in my view, is having an excellent season and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Foster#1 on February 19, 2019, 11:01:59 PM
He's vital for us.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: baggie82 on February 19, 2019, 11:25:29 PM
17 goals and several assists. If he’s average I just wish he was good.

Not at his best tonight I agree but, in my view, is having an excellent season and long may it continue.

Mixed bag for me. Plenty of goals and assists but he has the luxury of playing in the middle of the front three in an attack minded team that creates lots of chances. He's also on penalty duty and we have had a lot of pens thanks to Gayle. Notice how J-Rod hasn't won a single penalty for the team and Gayle has won loads? From open play his output has been decent but no more than that. He's missed a lot of chances. Would rather swap him and Gayle around, and play our most clinical striker in the middle.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: paulosull on February 20, 2019, 12:56:45 AM
Played better when he went out on the left but I'd just wish his first touch was up to scratch.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on February 20, 2019, 11:24:14 AM
J-Rod has his anonymous games and frustrates at times BUT he hurts the opposition and he constantly takes up intelligent positions which others wouldn't that contribute to the overall team performance. Players like that are gold dust. No good looking great but not hurting teams. That's what you need from forwards - hurting teams. 17 goals says JRod does that, leave him alone.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Backofthenet on February 20, 2019, 12:13:32 PM
Atomic --- totally agree with you. We would be worse off without him. How many on here raved about Rondon and the work he did - with no goal count
I accept we are playing a different style against a different level of opposition etc but that is no JRod's fault. He is doing all, if not more than is asked of him and I for one am pleased he's here.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Mister AT on February 20, 2019, 12:31:43 PM
Think he gets a fair bit of unwarranted stick in my opinion.

17 goals is not to be sniffed at in this league (I don't care how many of those are penalties either).

His workrate is second to none, never stops running, doesn't shy away. He's also our only outfield player to start every game, considering how hectic the championship fixture list is, that's an incredible stat (especially when you factor in how much ground per game he covers).

In our current formation, he drops deep into the hole which allows our wingers to press forward into the space, that's the main reason I think he's preferred down the middle as opposed to Gayle. His movement opens up space for Dwight and that's shown in the fact Gayle's goal per minute ratio is better from out wide than it is up top.

I would put a large sum of money on at come end of the season he is amongst the names being mentioned for player of the season for us.

Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on February 20, 2019, 12:43:28 PM
Think he gets a fair bit of unwarranted stick in my opinion.

17 goals is not to be sniffed at in this league (I don't care how many of those are penalties either).

His workrate is second to none, never stops running, doesn't shy away. He's also our only outfield player to start every game, considering how hectic the championship fixture list is, that's an incredible stat (especially when you factor in how much ground per game he covers).

In our current formation, he drops deep into the hole which allows our wingers to press forward into the space, that's the main reason I think he's preferred down the middle as opposed to Gayle. His movement opens up space for Dwight and that's shown in the fact Gayle's goal per minute ratio is better from out wide than it is up top.

I would put a large sum of money on at come end of the season he is amongst the names being mentioned for player of the season for us.

That is an excellent post and one that I fully endorse. I am constantly amazed at the level of stick that he gets on here. Never hides, works hard, scores goals etc. A question was asked about can we recall him heading the ball.... well at least 2 goals spring to mind (Preston away and Wigan on Boxing Day from memory)
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: seteefeet on February 20, 2019, 12:43:36 PM
He is frustrating because he could be so much better if he just used his brain a bit more.
He tends to react to play rather than anticipating it and this often means he is half a yard short of where he should be. Gayle is a master of anticipating balls into the box and, even though 9 times out of 10 they don't go where they should, he just keeps putting himself in there until he gets his chance. Rodriguez, on the other hand, seems to react to the ball into the box and try to get on the end of it rather than put himself where it should go.
This is why Gayle will almost always outscore him from open play.
If you look at Murphy's goal last night, Murphy had a lot of work to do, and held onto the ball for quite a while, before pulling the trigger yet JRod was not even in shot until it was in the back of the net. Gayle would have been busting a gut just on the off chance of a rebound.
What Rodriguez is though is a nuisance. He puts himself about and never shies away from being involved, it's just his poor anticipation that keeps him on the periphery at times. Can't half take a penalty mind, which is a massive skill in itself. Norwich missed something like 5 from 6.

I wish he'd chop that bun off though, he's constantly fiddling with it and it drives me crackers!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Albion79 on February 20, 2019, 12:59:49 PM
Gayle and Jrod are very different type of strikers which is what you want.

Gayle is more of a natural goalscorer with pace to burn, Jrod is more likely to be involved in the build up play and will still weigh in with a good return goals wise.

Ideally you would want them as 2 upfront in a partnership but with how we setup and the personnel we have, i think how we play also works.

Jrod can be frustrating but again in the role he is playing i dont think he is a natural and it shows at times but we would be a lot worse team without him and 17 goals with just under a third of the season is impressive.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: tommcneill on February 20, 2019, 01:05:26 PM
J-Rod has been brilliant this year for us

He doesnt hide, he works hard and has scored a ton of goals, we should be praising him
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: boinging_along on February 23, 2019, 08:00:59 PM
Can someone have a word with him and let him know it's ok to anticipate the where the ball will go.  He's forever caught on his heels and then does a half hearted attempt to be where he should be. 
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: caravanc58 on February 23, 2019, 08:15:52 PM
Can someone have a word with him and let him know it's ok to anticipate the where the ball will go.  He's forever caught on his heels and then does a half hearted attempt to be where he should be.
like the one where he pointed to Montero where he wanted the ball, and didn't anticipate the pass he called for.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 23, 2019, 08:33:54 PM
Can someone have a word with him and let him know it's ok to anticipate the where the ball will go.  He's forever caught on his heels and then does a half hearted attempt to be where he should be.

He’s bone idle and has been for a long time.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 23, 2019, 08:55:49 PM
He's certainly not lazy, he just isn't very good and unless we revert to 3 5 2 he needs a rest.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 23, 2019, 09:05:03 PM
That comment is the biggest piece of rubbish posted on here in years.
Earns lots of money for sauntering around at his own pace contributing nothing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Pureade1 on February 23, 2019, 09:11:21 PM
Sorry but he needs a rest? The bloke is a footballer who is paid to play the game and paid well for it and the poor bloke needs a rest?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: frazzle on February 23, 2019, 09:30:15 PM
Earns lots of money for sauntering around at his own pace contributing nothing.

Wrong. Sauntering around. He puts as much if not more effort in than anyone else in the team.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: overseas baggie on February 23, 2019, 09:32:43 PM
Did anybody else wonder how on earth he managed to handle the ball for that disallowed ball?
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on February 23, 2019, 10:14:22 PM
Each to their own opinion but bone idle he is not.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: elkiellis on February 24, 2019, 01:58:42 PM
Taking a bit of stick on here,he is our leading goalscorer and does put lots of effort in,contribution wise lets him down,but should not always be guaranteed a starting place especially at home
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on February 24, 2019, 02:36:41 PM
Thought he but in a very hard working performance with lots of smart touches and runs. I watched him a lot yesterday and I thought he seemed intelligent. It didn’t always come off yesterday from him but he certainly isn’t bone idle in my eyes.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: NathWBA on February 24, 2019, 02:56:21 PM
Taking a bit of stick on here,he is our leading goalscorer and does put lots of effort in,contribution wise lets him down,but should not always be guaranteed a starting place especially at home
He’s leading goals scorer due to his strike partner winning penalties, for Rodriguez looks for better on the left and Moore has got to swap him and Gayle over
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: gerry m on February 24, 2019, 03:02:45 PM
Currently our leading goal scorer, and yes there might be pens but they still have to be put away they wont go in by themselves.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 24, 2019, 03:17:42 PM
Penalties, tap ins and deflections. Meanwhile Gayle totally neutered.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: lewisant on February 24, 2019, 04:58:16 PM
Gayle is the better finisher of the two - there's no doubt about that!
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: KN22 on February 24, 2019, 07:43:22 PM
I like both JRod and Gayle but have noticed that it’s always Jay that gets the stick on here. I will call it as I see it...  Gayle was poor yesterday, regardless of where he was playing.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Atomic on February 25, 2019, 04:42:49 AM
Sorry but he needs a rest? The bloke is a footballer who is paid to play the game and paid well for it and the poor bloke needs a rest?


It doesn't matter that he's paid to play the game he is a human being. Jay has had a lot of football this season probably more than any other player in our team. He plays week in, week out, barely ever subbed. The bloke probably does need a rest ideally.
Title: Re: Jay Rodriguez
Post by: Dan87uk on February 25, 2019, 11:33:59 AM
My overriding thoughts on him immediately after Saturday's game was "why can't you just f****** smash your face off the ball to put it into the net like every other striker and put your f****** hands down for f*** sake."  ;D

After some food, sleep and reflection..... I took the expletives out, but the rest of the sentence is valid...

Why, after all the controversy of the Villa goal and more recently Gayle's dive etc, would you even put your hands up at all in that situation. It seemed easier for him to just stick his head on it than put his hand up, I truly despair. If he wants to try and cheat his way to more goals, he can go elsewhere.

He's been poor for frankly most of the seaso