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Title: Salomon Rondon joins Dalian Yifang
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2015, 12:19:48 PM
Rondon having a medical?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 12:42:22 PM
Rondon having a medical?!

As Jose Rondon where have you seen that?!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 12:43:18 PM
Rondon having a medical?!

Is that a statement of fact or a question to the forum users?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 12:44:14 PM
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/esclusiva-tmw-wba-colpo-rondon-ad-un-passo-e-addio-allo-zenit-713490

http://sports-info.ru/rondon-blizok-k-perehodu-v-vest-bromvich/

EXCLUSIVE TMW - WBA, shot Rondon one step: it is goodbye to Zenit

Medical today with us apparently.

Is reliable? who knows.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
As Jose Rondon where have you seen that?!!

Twitter mate, would be absolutely unbelievable.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 12:45:20 PM
As Jose Rondon where have you seen that?!!


On Newsnow West Brom site
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 12:53:29 PM
Can't say I've heard of him much but his record is good
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: marky on August 07, 2015, 12:54:19 PM
Rondon? 

blimey yes please.  he knows where the net is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 12:59:19 PM
What a beast this lad is. Could be another Odemwingie type buy. From Russia with love! Get this lad signed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 01:01:49 PM
sush dont tell West Ham
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 01:05:11 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 01:07:59 PM
Jose Salomon Rondon? Big, strong, decent finisher. Replacement for Ideye?

EDIT: Would be amazed if he came to us. He is a Champions League quality striker. I also don't understand how/why he'd be available. Easily a £10 million striker, and contracted until 2018 apparently.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on August 07, 2015, 01:10:51 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.
Zenit have to sell him because of rules around the number of overseas players in Russia apparently. Not sure they would otherwise. He'll certainly be going somewhere and the Premier League is about the only place where clubs could afford to do it.

Just have to wait and see I guess.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 07, 2015, 01:13:27 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.

Just to play devils advocate, Madeley did state that Doumbia wasnt a target yesteday due to us having higher targets.

That would indicate for me that it could be a possibility that he is having a medical, if he signs is a different question.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 07, 2015, 01:19:04 PM
Replacement for Ideye?

Or Saido Berahino perhaps?
 :(.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 01:21:49 PM
Or Saido Berahino perhaps?
 :(.

Good point, I still think United may come in for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:29:39 PM
Seems to be us and Newcastle mentioned... No credible sources though in all honesty .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 07, 2015, 01:34:38 PM
Seems to be us and Newcastle mentioned... No credible sources though in all honesty .

don't forget our stalkers. West Ham
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 01:36:36 PM
Unbelievable yes and I don't believe it for a second he has a heavyweight goal scoring record in some of the major leagues across Europe is only 25 and is close to his absolute peak. He is playing for Zenit who are in the Champions League and in all probability pay him an absolute fortune. If he comes to England it would only be to a top 6 club. I will be totally dumfounded if he he shows up at the Hawthorns.

I agree with those comments. No chance of this signing happening
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:40:20 PM
Shot at a step by the West Bromwich Albion , that in view of the Premier League season about to start ( tomorrow , ed) : Salomon Rondon , the Venezuelan striker Zenit St. Petersburg , should be the next striker Baggies , who are defining the deal with the Russian club as picked by our staff . The player is expected in town today for a medical .
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/esclusiva-tmw-wba-colpo-rondon-ad-un-passo-e-addio-allo-zenit-713490

The only actual article (ish) I can see
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 01:42:34 PM
Shot at a step by the West Bromwich Albion , that in view of the Premier League season about to start ( tomorrow , ed) : Salomon Rondon , the Venezuelan striker Zenit St. Petersburg , should be the next striker Baggies , who are defining the deal with the Russian club as picked by our staff . The player is expected in town today for a medical .
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/europa/esclusiva-tmw-wba-colpo-rondon-ad-un-passo-e-addio-allo-zenit-713490

The only actual article (ish) I can see
venezulan at russian club being transferred to english club, reported in Italy ! All a bit strange really
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
I posted a Russian link earlier :

http://sports-info.ru/rondon-blizok-k-perehodu-v-vest-bromvich/

Think they use the Italian one as source though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 01:45:15 PM
Accepting that there could be some fairly rapid exits from the Russian League given the possible limit on foreign players I still remain sceptical. In those circumstances I don't think the fee would be a massive issue but personal terms could be a sticking point and I still think that Rondon will be looking for CL football.

I await the Howell/Madley denial to be up by teatime ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:47:00 PM
Found this article from the Daily Mail 2 years ago ...

West Brom enquire about Rondon
More potential business at the Hawthorns. Neil Moxley reports:
West Bromwich Albion have spoken with Portuguese side CD Nacional about Venezuela striker Mario Rondon, 27.
Albion have been rebuffed in various enquiries as they search for forwards intensifies and also failed in a bid to lure Colombian Adrian Ramos from Hertha Berlin as the German side demanded £8million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2408011/Transfer-deadline-day-live--summer-2013.html#ixzz3i8IkavQq
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:51:16 PM
Accepting that there could be some fairly rapid exits from the Russian League given the possible limit on foreign players I still remain sceptical. In those circumstances I don't think the fee would be a massive issue but personal terms could be a sticking point and I still think that Rondon will be looking for CL football.

I await the Howell/Madley denial to be up by teatime ::)

Shortly followed by confirmation Rondon has had a medical and claiming "things change quickly.."  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 07, 2015, 01:51:50 PM
I agree with those comments. No chance of this signing happening

Why not ?  Assuming Saido stays, then maybe taking Gnarby on loan is instead of paying £9m/£10m for Phillips, freeing up best part of £10m.  If Saido leaves then we can still go in for Phillips, with Rondon already there to replace Saido.

It would be great, but I can't honestly see us having Saido, Rondon and Lambert.  Gut feeling is that landing Rondon is the pre-cursor to us agreeing to let Saido leave, knowing that we already have his replacement signed.  We then have the Saido money to buy Phillips plus one or two others.  To me that seems more likely.       
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 07, 2015, 01:53:05 PM
Found this article from the Daily Mail 2 years ago ...

West Brom enquire about Rondon
More potential business at the Hawthorns. Neil Moxley reports:
West Bromwich Albion have spoken with Portuguese side CD Nacional about Venezuela striker Mario Rondon, 27.
Albion have been rebuffed in various enquiries as they search for forwards intensifies and also failed in a bid to lure Colombian Adrian Ramos from Hertha Berlin as the German side demanded £8million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2408011/Transfer-deadline-day-live--summer-2013.html#ixzz3i8IkavQq
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Different player, this one (Mario) is currently 29 and plays for some team called Shijiazhuang Ever Bright in China.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Floydy on August 07, 2015, 01:54:23 PM
Found this article from the Daily Mail 2 years ago ...

West Brom enquire about Rondon
More potential business at the Hawthorns. Neil Moxley reports:
West Bromwich Albion have spoken with Portuguese side CD Nacional about Venezuela striker Mario Rondon, 27.
Albion have been rebuffed in various enquiries as they search for forwards intensifies and also failed in a bid to lure Colombian Adrian Ramos from Hertha Berlin as the German side demanded £8million.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2408011/Transfer-deadline-day-live--summer-2013.html#ixzz3i8IkavQq
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Different player mate; Mario is very much a 2nd rate player, Saloman is the real deal
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sammyg on August 07, 2015, 01:57:46 PM
Really can't see this one happening at all, fingers crossed but just can't see him coming
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 01:58:36 PM
Out of interest, has Pulis ever signed anyone who hasn't played in England before ...?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 02:04:02 PM
Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin  16m16 minutes ago
West Brom wanted to sign Salomon Rondon 2 years ago.
Will get him now.

#WBA @westbrom2day @billhowell68

 Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin 
AVB: "Zenit are forced to release Rondon".

ESPN football writer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:05:10 PM
Out of interest, has Pulis ever signed anyone who hasn't played in England before ...?
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:08:37 PM
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.

There's always a first for everything!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:09:00 PM
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.

Maurice Edu from Rangers is the only one I can see ...  :-[
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 02:10:17 PM
VERY rarely, but not unheard of.

Brek Shea and Geoff Cameron are the only think of. As a rule Pulis does look for more established Premier League or English league players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 07, 2015, 02:17:40 PM
Out of interest, has Pulis ever signed anyone who hasn't played in England before ...?
He was clearly prepared to buy Gignac if he hadn't gone off to Mexico instead. I'm guessing there's a certain level of quality that
leads to him branching out further than usual.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stever60 on August 07, 2015, 02:21:01 PM
Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin  16m16 minutes ago
West Brom wanted to sign Salomon Rondon 2 years ago.
Will get him now.

#WBA @westbrom2day @billhowell68

 Michael Yokhin ‏@Yokhin 
AVB: "Zenit are forced to release Rondon".

ESPN football writer
Newcastle medical in 72 hours.....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 02:22:24 PM
I posted a Russian link earlier :

http://sports-info.ru/rondon-blizok-k-perehodu-v-vest-bromvich/

Think they use the Italian one as source though.

Apologies you already put this up
translation of the russian article follows,

It is worth noting that earlier media reported that 25 -year-old Venezuelan is in the interests of " Everton ", " Aston Villa ", " Newcastle ", " Bolton " and " West Ham " . However , " Blackbirds " - the most likely candidate for a striker.

Recall that Rondon was the " victim " of the new limits on foreign players ( 6 + 5), in the Premier League . The first games of the championship of Russia on football he spent on the bench.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 07, 2015, 02:28:56 PM
Some bloke in ASDA just said he's in talks with West Ham......  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 02:30:18 PM
Some bloke in ASDA just said he's in talks with West Ham......  ;)

This guy in ASDA has his ear to the ground and his finger on the pulse!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 02:31:25 PM
This guy in ASDA has his ear to the ground and his finger on the pulse!


or up the Pulis
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 02:32:00 PM
Laurie Whitwell @lauriewhitwell
#wba in advanced talks to sign Zenit St Peterburg striker Salomon Rondon for a club-record fee of around £15m. More at @MailSport
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star  1 min1 minute ago
Albion set to smash transfer record to sign Salomon Rondon from Zenit for around £15m. Story to follow... #wba #wbafc
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 02:35:38 PM
# this#that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2015, 02:36:25 PM
I know nothing about him, but his record is insanely good - I do worry this will mean Berahino is off though? Spurs still haven't signed a striker and it'd make sense we get a replacement in first.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 07, 2015, 02:37:31 PM
Surely Berahino on his way then. Lambert didn't come here to sit on the bench and this guy will surely be a starter.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sammyg on August 07, 2015, 02:38:24 PM
To be fair we were linked with Austin earlier in the window, and to my knowledge that wasn't to replace berahino, interesting that we will spend 15m on rondon and not Austin.... How would rondon compare as I know nothing about him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 02:38:29 PM
nooooooooo we need to keep saido
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2015, 02:38:32 PM
Enough reports linking with us now to start a thread, including this from Madeley:

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/albion-poised-to-sign-salomon-rondon-for-record-15m/

It's all pretty incredible that this has come from nowhere!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:38:34 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/albion-poised-to-sign-salomon-rondon-for-record-15m/

Albion poised to sign Salomon Rondon for record £15m
West Brom are poised to smash their transfer record to land Venezuela international striker Salomon Rondon from Zenit St Petersburg for around £15m.
   
The Baggies were today looking to tie up the loose ends of a big-money deal to bring the 25-year-old from Russia.

News of a likely deal for Rondon emerged as Hawthorns officials were completing the formalities of Serge Gnabry’s season-long loan from Arsenal.

Rondon, who has 39 caps for his country, joined Zenit from Rubin Kazan last summer for a fee of around £16m and went on to hit 20 goals in 37 league games for the Russian club last season.

He will join fellow new signing Rickie Lambert, England Under-21s hitman Saido Berahino, Victor Anichebe and Brown Ideye in the battle for forward places.

Rondon moved to Europe seven years ago and played in Spain for Las Palmas and Malaga.

He scored 13 times in 36 league games during two years with Rubin before moving to St Petersburg last summer.

His arrival could pave the way for either Anichebe or Ideye to leave if the Baggies can find a buyer.

Meanwhile, Gnabry will join the Baggies for the rest of the season in a deal that was confirmed by Gunners boss Arsene Wenger this morning but the 20-year-old will not be available for Monday’s season opener at home to Manchester City.

The deadline for new players to figure in the opening weekend has passed, and the player is also short of match fitness.

Pulis has also added winger James McClean and defender James Chester to his squad this summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 07, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
Surely Berahino on his way then. Lambert didn't come here to sit on the bench and this guy will surely be a starter.
I would think Ideye has more chance of going. I can see lambert and berahino working alongside this guy with Berahino playing slightly behind the front line.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on August 07, 2015, 02:45:23 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Savvas78 on August 07, 2015, 02:46:08 PM
I'd be happy with that (as long as he's not being signed to replace Saido)!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:46:33 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.
So he's like Lambert, rather than Berahino/Ideye?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 07, 2015, 02:46:57 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 07, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.

The way TP was speaking the other night on Five Live - he was saying he wants to keep Saido for the couple of years and wanted more players in all positions.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 07, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
if we kept Berahino and signed this guy then we can be very excited about the upcoming season!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 07, 2015, 02:49:17 PM
Rondon is very much in the target man role - I don't see it as being the end of Berahino because of this potential signing.

I hope this spells the end for Anichebe/Ideye as opposed to Saido.

Think out the 4 we currently have it will Ideye who leaves, hasnt really started in pre season (even though hes been scoring) and is probably on a decent enough wage whilst still having something about him to be able to move on for some fee.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
Reported on twitter by the sports writer for The Times now as well.

https://twitter.com/garyjacob

Edit: claims he has arrived for a medical!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 02:50:09 PM
So he's like Lambert, rather than Berahino/Ideye?

I'd say he'd be a replacement for Anichebe. Competition for Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: amathews3416 on August 07, 2015, 02:50:40 PM
Have a bad feeling that Berahino has been sold, otherwise I don't see us spending that much on a striker at the same position.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ben_westbrom on August 07, 2015, 02:50:46 PM
I'd be happy with that (as long as he's not being signed to replace Saido)!

Cynical me thinks thats exactly why he's being signed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
It'll be Anichebe shipped out somewhere, well I hope so anyway
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 02:52:20 PM
I hope this spells the end for Anichebe/Ideye as opposed to Saido.

Think out the 4 we currently have it will Ideye who leaves, hasnt really started in pre season (even though hes been scoring) and is probably on a decent enough wage whilst still having something about him to be able to move on for some fee.

You might be right with Lambert signing and this guy I would expect Anicebe to be gone, Ideye could possibly be backup for Saido still.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:52:33 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.

Who said Austin wants/wanted to come to us? I heard he wanted to stay in London
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:52:58 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.
on paper, Rondon is a significantly better player. It's a risk with him never playing here, but if it comes off he's MUCH better by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:53:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

What a beast
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 02:55:12 PM
It'll be Anichebe shipped out somewhere, well I hope so anyway

I'd say so. Championship imo - Boro/Derby/Forest. Someone of that ilk
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2015, 02:55:18 PM
He was second top scorer behind Hulk in the Russian premier league last season, having scored 2 less but also played 700 minutes less.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on August 07, 2015, 02:55:37 PM

It's all pretty incredible that this has come from nowhere!
Its never boring being a Baggies fan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:57:01 PM
I'd say so. Championship imo - Boro/Derby/Forest. Someone of that ilk
as he showed against Birmingham, he could do quite well in that league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2015, 02:57:04 PM
It's all pretty incredible that this has come from nowhere!

Is it a surprise? Most of our business has been done that way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 02:57:40 PM
I really try to not let myself get excited by rumours because it's WBA and it's normally not true, but this is such an exciting prospect if true.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on August 07, 2015, 02:59:59 PM
Reported on twitter by the sports writer for The Times now as well.

https://twitter.com/garyjacob

Edit: claims he has arrived for a medical!

Not that old chestnut!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 07, 2015, 03:00:39 PM
Sky sources are behind on this one !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 03:02:48 PM
It best not be to replace Saido, nowt i can do but i would rather have Berahino if this is the case
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiebof on August 07, 2015, 03:03:19 PM
So he's like Lambert, rather than Berahino/Ideye?

Yes, more Lambert/Anichebe than Berahino/Ideye.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:03:56 PM
Whilst Randon clearly has an excellent goal-record (so did Brown Ideye) what really worries me is that he chose to go from Malaga to Ruben Kazan. At the time his goal record was almost 1 in 2, and he was 22 years old.

To me this clearly lacks ambition as a player, going from a top league to a team in the Russian wastelands, you have to question whether he'll have the right attitude.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
Not that old chestnut!

Ha very true. Now reported by Greg Evans at the mail.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-set-smash-transfer-9812796

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 03:05:17 PM
Whilst Randon clearly has an excellent goal-record (so did Brown Ideye) what really worries me is that he chose to go from Malaga to Ruben Kazan. At the time his goal record was almost 1 in 2, and he was 22 years old.

To me this clearly lacks ambition as a player, going from a top league to a team in the Russian wastelands, you have to question whether he'll have the right attitude.
Wasn't Malaga having to cover MASSIVE debts at the time? Perhaps they sold through need rather than want.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:05:26 PM
I said this in the general thread but what worries me is that he went from Malaga to Ruben Kazan when he was doing excellent at Malaga. I would be very cautious of his attitude if that's the case as he clearly chose money over his career with that move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 03:06:57 PM
I said this in the general thread but what worries me is that he went from Malaga to Ruben Kazan when he was doing excellent at Malaga. I would be very cautious of his attitude if that's the case as he clearly chose money over his career with that move.

If he's coming to us then he isn't going to be on mega-bucks! Not with Jezza in charge :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 03:07:31 PM
I'm literally s***ting myself with excitement. Rondon is literally a goal scoring machine!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 07, 2015, 03:07:47 PM
I said this in the general thread but what worries me is that he went from Malaga to Ruben Kazan when he was doing excellent at Malaga. I would be very cautious of his attitude if that's the case as he clearly chose money over his career with that move.

Lets be honest, as do most of them these days ... unfortunately.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Plastic Paddy on August 07, 2015, 03:08:20 PM
Sky sources are behind on this one !

Shouldn't you be working Mark  ;) Sky very rarely break transfer news - just take it from other sources and claim as their own!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Costakiblue on August 07, 2015, 03:09:55 PM
Hopefully there is some substance to this. However let's not count on it yet - I'm sure that there could be other vultures circling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 07, 2015, 03:10:07 PM
Brilliant Albion. We do our business and no one has a clue who we are after until they sign on the dotted line
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 07, 2015, 03:11:11 PM
Whilst Randon clearly has an excellent goal-record (so did Brown Ideye) what really worries me is that he chose to go from Malaga to Ruben Kazan. At the time his goal record was almost 1 in 2, and he was 22 years old.

To me this clearly lacks ambition as a player, going from a top league to a team in the Russian wastelands, you have to question whether he'll have the right attitude.

Weren't Rubin signing the likes of Etoo at the time, and throwing loads of money at it? They had ambitions of dominating Europe at one point - then, if memory serves me right, their owner got fed up and pulled the plug!

Don't think we can really judge him on that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 03:11:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

What a beast

Well of there's one thing that clips shows, it's that he can hit a ball very sweetly and powerfully!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 07, 2015, 03:11:40 PM
Lets be honest, as do most of them these days ... unfortunately.
Like the majority of teams here Malaga have had big financial difficulties. Certainly around the time Rondon was sold they were in major trouble If memory serves Russian league  clubs were the major players at the time as they were less affected by the worlds financial problems.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 03:12:21 PM
This really does seem to have legs and as per my post when it first broke about 2 hours ago I am truly dumbfounded.  :o I do fear that it means Saido is off (which is a very bad thing) and I will fear that until one of either Ideye or Anichebe is sold or the widow closes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: robbo_wba on August 07, 2015, 03:12:22 PM
Weren't Rubin signing the likes of Etoo at the time, and throwing loads of money at it? They had ambitions of dominating Europe at one point - then, if memory serves me right, their owner got fed up and pulled the plug!

Don't think we can really judge him on that.

That was Anzhi Makhachkala
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:14:20 PM
Wasn't Malaga having to cover MASSIVE debts at the time? Perhaps they sold through need rather than want.
Yes, but he chose to go to Russia, I'm sure he could have easily gone to anywhere in Europe, Premier League included.

To put it into perspective, Kazan is in the middle of nowhere - so I think it's very fair to question his motives.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tambag on August 07, 2015, 03:14:33 PM
Shouldn't you be working Mark  ;) Sky very rarely break transfer news - just take it from other sources and claim as their own!

I can multi task in my role !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darby009 on August 07, 2015, 03:15:15 PM
Strange one this for me though delighted were upping our game.

Why spend 15m on a unproven premier league striker when a proven one is available in Austin for the same price.

Allegedly Austin has said he wants to stay in London, maybe we know that and also have had enough of qpr.

There is also the possibility that due to the need to sell, the longer no one comes in for Austin then the more likely qpr may accept a compromise for Phillips ..... In that case why give them full whack for Austin when it could allow them to drive a harder bargain with us for Phillips....

Conspiracy conspiracy lol
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 07, 2015, 03:15:28 PM
 it could very well be the parting of the ways with Saido,if it isnt then poor old Lambert aint going to see much game time surely and i dont see Pulis selling him down the river like that ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boingboing1989 on August 07, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
If we sign this guy this is an absolute bargain! Absolute beast of a striker!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:16:35 PM
Lets be honest, as do most of them these days ... unfortunately.
This isn't like going from London to Hull. To put it into perspective, Ruben Kazan is literally in the middle of nowhere, it's desolate.
I understand that money motivates players and that is acceptable, but if he'd have moved wisely he may be playing in the champions league by now, but instead took the short-term, big money option.

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited and hope he succeeds but I am very cautious too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
it could very well be the parting of the ways with Saido,if it isnt then poor old Lambert aint going to see much game time surely and i dont see Pulis selling him down the river like that ?

I really think this spell the end more of Anichebe than anyone else. Either that or Ideye.

Rondon's main strength is his strength. He's a completely different player to Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 03:17:13 PM
Now in the mail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3188985/West-Brom-advanced-talks-sign-Venezuelan-striker-Salomon-Rondon-club-record-15m.html

Claims he's agent is here today, is a replacement for Ideye if we get £6 mill for him and is TP's main attacking primary attacking target. Contradicts the Times article as his medical is tomorrow...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 03:18:42 PM
I think thats Vic gone if this goes through.

have to say from the video this guy reminds me of  Les Ferdinand in his pomp, which would do very nicely thank you.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 03:21:57 PM
Got to remember Austin has serious question marks over some injuries, his shoulder I think in particular. He has failed medicals in the past, so there is obvious caution around Austin.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 07, 2015, 03:23:36 PM
That was Anzhi Makhachkala

Correct...I'll be quiet now!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 07, 2015, 03:25:36 PM
Yes, but he chose to go to Russia, I'm sure he could have easily gone to anywhere in Europe, Premier League included.

To put it into perspective, Kazan is in the middle of nowhere - so I think it's very fair to question his motives.
Siberia or West Bromwich... get me coat and a plane ticket!  :)

Kazan's not exactly a nowhere town in the boonies, like Vladivostok or Makhachala, it's Russia's "Third Capital City". It's basically their Manchester with Birmingham's  population and the attractions of any minor Capital city. Bar the freezing winter's of course.

Add that The Russians are usually very wealthy and Rubin Kazan regularly make Europe and I can see why he went there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on August 07, 2015, 03:31:05 PM
please be true
please be vic gone and not bera
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 03:31:19 PM
I hope he signs anyway, if Berahino stayed and we had the pair plus Lambert, it could be a great season. Watching Randon on youtube his goals look very similar to Benteke's which isn't a bad thing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
Always been impressed with Rondon when I saw him playing for Malaga a few years ago (albeit on Sky), powerful, strong and scores a few goals. Hope it comes off but we'll see.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 07, 2015, 03:46:35 PM
I am pleased if this happens but not if Saido is sold. Get rid of Sick Note and we should have 4 Excellent strikers.  But to lose Saido would be folly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 03:52:52 PM
Now it's in the open can we really sign him over other clubs bigger than us?  I would love to think so but I just have a horrible feeling we are going to be gazumped .  Heart says yes , head says no
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 07, 2015, 03:55:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

What a beast
Thanks for posting this. 2 things particularly struck me from this compilation:

1) None of these goals were the result of him dribbling past defenders. To my mind, this just goes to show that most strikers can only be as good as the service they receive.

2) I thought Brown Ideye's Youtube compilation showed him in a better light than this one of Rondon. I don't follow European/international football, so know nothing about Rondon, but obviously he's regarded as being top notch and, therefore, better than Ideye, so fingers crossed that we sign him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 07, 2015, 03:55:52 PM
Now it's in the open can we really sign him over other clubs bigger than us?  I would love to think so but I just have a horrible feeling we are going to be gazumped .  Heart says yes , head says no

Just echoed my thoughts and worries chap.
 :-X.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 04:05:00 PM
Just echoed my thoughts and worries chap.
 :-X.

It was reported at the time Liverpool were interested in him before they wen't for Benteke. I would be worried about the other clubs are size West Ham and Newcastle in particular, however the price tag may put West Ham off as they are short of strikers because of injury.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:10:50 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 07, 2015, 04:11:43 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...

I wouldn't be worried about other clubs being alerted to his availability by the current press coverage that is not the way modern football works. Every club who could potentially meet the £15m asking price would be alerted either by Zenit or his agent days ago. The fact that he seems to be on the verge of joining would suggest that there were no other takers.

In terms of who he's like target man in the Vic mould in terms of being a bit of a unit but much more mobile and a more instinctive finisher.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 04:14:06 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...



its a good job Potato Head got relegated
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 07, 2015, 04:14:51 PM
Never heard of him.

Can someone compare him to one of our current or past players? Odemwingie?  Lukaku? Cyril?  Vic?

If he is that good surely West ham will gazump us...
they´re signing Jimenez from AT.Madrid
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:16:28 PM
Reading websites on news now saying he was here to talk to Newcastle, so surely he will go there.
Speculation I think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2015, 04:19:42 PM
Reading websites on news now saying he was here to talk to Newcastle, so surely he will go there.
Speculation I think.

A little more than speculation if he's been at the training ground as well as Tom Ross posting on twitter that Pulis has said today that he's hoping to sign him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
Reading websites on news now saying he was here to talk to Newcastle, so surely he will go there.
Speculation I think.
Didn't Newcastle just sign a Eastern European striker for fairly big money? You'd think with him, Cabella and Cisse they'd be sorted?
Newcastle have also already spent £40 million in this window so that's probably most of their budget.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:23:32 PM
A little more than speculation if he's been at the training ground as well as Tom Ross posting on twitter that Pulis has said today that he's hoping to sign him.

I am happy to be wrong B_H  :-)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 07, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
Always expect the worst until any deal is officially signed  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 07, 2015, 04:29:48 PM
I do wonder if player and agent will be expecting a bigger club to come in. I'm not sure who'll be more surprised if he signs, us or the player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 04:52:03 PM
If true it must mean we have sold saido??

But reading up on him isn't he a similar player to lambert? 6 foot 3?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on August 07, 2015, 04:59:21 PM
If true it must mean we have sold saido??

But reading up on him isn't he a similar player to lambert? 6 foot 3?
Why must it mean we have sold Saido? It's been widely reported that we want two strikers in at least this summer and we were looking for a big money signing as well. Not sure either of those two criteria were in anyway related to Saido going so I don't see why this is an indication that he will go.

As you say, given his attributes and physical size, he doesn't really come across as a Saido replacement.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 04:59:29 PM
Why are people suddenly presuming we are selling Saido because we are spending a large sum of money on rondon. To me its quite obvious the plan is to pair the two together.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 05:05:13 PM
If we stay up then surely we will make our money back plus more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on August 07, 2015, 05:06:28 PM
Why are people suddenly presuming we are selling Saido because we are spending a large sum of money on rondon. To me its quite obvious the plan is to pair the two together.

Its the Albion, it wouldn't be unheard of. I'm not sure what the most we have spent in the premier league is, but 1.5m, 8m, and 15m must surely be our biggest expenditure. Thats with some other signings needed still and the players we want to shift on aren't going to bring in much more than 5m or so.

I personally don't think we will sell Saido this year, but I think we might spend a little more as Saido will be seen as money in the bank (which along with the increase in tv money next year will see JP sleep easily if we over spend a little this year). I can understand why people are sceptical though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on August 07, 2015, 05:07:10 PM
Any side needs 4 decent strikers
If he does sign we now have only 3, I would be happy to keep Bobby Brown but we all know that you cant trust Big Vic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on August 07, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
Any side needs 4 decent strikers
If he does sign we now have only 3, I would be happy to keep Bobby Brown but we all know that you cant trust Big Vic.

Vic is poor 4th choice striker, because if he is needed its likely we have been hit by injuries. Yes you cannot guarantee any player will not pick up a knock, but with sick vic its a good possibility which isn't great if you are down to him because of injuries in the first place.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 07, 2015, 05:15:44 PM
A prolific striker,can't wait to see he plays for us!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 05:18:21 PM
Ideally we should be looking to move on Anichebe. I'm happy to have Ideye has fourth choice. Always amazes me how people moan about the club and signings yet look just how far we've come. We could be going into the season with Berahinio, Rondon, Lambert, Ideye...incredible if you ask me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on August 07, 2015, 05:18:50 PM
Where did he pop up from? Nothing was said about him till this morning /afternoon, well not that I heard. Just hope and pray that he signs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on August 07, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
Yes, but we don't do it fast enough for the fantasy football manager twonks that post on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 05:27:01 PM
Ideye now following both Gnabry and Rondon on instagram and Twitter. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 05:28:00 PM
Ideally we should be looking to move on Anichebe. I'm happy to have Ideye has fourth choice. Always amazes me how people moan about the club and signings yet look just how far we've come. We could be going into the season with Berahinio, Rondon, Lambert, Ideye...incredible if you ask me.

That would be an incredible striking force for WBA. I still think that Ideye is a very good striker to have as a 4th choice as well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Marcus on August 07, 2015, 05:53:39 PM
Could it also be that the funds ring-fenced for Matty Phillips or similar, have now been allocated to Rondon as a result of getting Gnabry on loan?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RogerBadoo on August 07, 2015, 05:54:55 PM
We should remember that we have now signed two record signings (potentially) without any noise. It is pretty remarkable. Perhaps next summer window we'll be more trusting with the club as we'll do nothing in Jan as usual.

Would love to see us with Bera, Lambert, Rondon and Brown. Hopefully we don't keep Vic and let Ideye go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Greenock Baggie on August 07, 2015, 05:57:54 PM
Jeezo, we'll have some player on our hands if we can land this bloke  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 07, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
Could it also be that the funds ring-fenced for Matty Phillips or similar, have now been allocated to Rondon as a result of getting Gnabry on loan?

I thought that. Gnabry, MacM, MacL as our wingers, Brunt as backup and Lambo, Saido and Rondon in rotation up front. That's a potent attack to add to a solid defence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on August 07, 2015, 06:09:40 PM
wow wow wow! I had put Gnabry as our best signing but this would be amazing. Have put a bottle of bubbly in the fridge in eager anticipation. COYB
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2015, 06:16:39 PM
We (the fans) have to come back down to earth.
I can't see it happening for our club.
Too much info for other clubs to nip in and steal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dubya BA on August 07, 2015, 06:19:44 PM
Haha!  :D It says on Wikipaedia the he plays for Barley Mow at the minute! Would that be the one in Wolverhampton?

Jokes aside this would be a mighty signing and if we keep Saido too-a potentially great pairing.  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on August 07, 2015, 06:45:25 PM
Has anyone ever seen him play?what type of striker is he?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on August 07, 2015, 06:46:25 PM
Definitely got a feeling his agent will have received a few calls in the last couple of hours as this news has been reproduced in all the newswires. Not sure if we'll get this over the line one way or another. Hope I'm proved very wrong though!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 07, 2015, 06:48:07 PM
Has anyone ever seen him play?what type of striker is he?

Strong, reasonably tall. Won't bustle past a defender a la Lukaku, but is a good finisher and uses his strength to good effect. Sorry I don't know more than that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 06:52:34 PM
Definitely got a feeling his agent will have received a few calls in the last couple of hours as this news has been reproduced in all the newswires. Not sure if we'll get this over the line one way or another. Hope I'm proved very wrong though!

It's his agents job to make the calls and make clubs aware his player is avaliable. The days of the media leaking it to clubs are long gone.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on August 07, 2015, 07:00:18 PM
It's his agents job to make the calls and make clubs aware his player is avaliable. The days of the media leaking it to clubs are long gone.

So it is impossible for a club to see that a deal is potentially going to go through and then decide to call his agent to alert the player to their new interest? Anyway, not getting into a debate as I get bored of seeing people having rubbish arguments on here just lately. Just my thoughts and could be wrong. Don't really care  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 07, 2015, 07:01:35 PM
Very very interesting one if we can get it done (and it doesn't single the end of Saido).
However, we have learnt in the past not to get our hopes up until we see him holding the shirt!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
Definitely got a feeling his agent will have received a few calls in the last couple of hours as this news has been reproduced in all the newswires. Not sure if we'll get this over the line one way or another. Hope I'm proved very wrong though!

I recon a lot of clubs would have been aware of his availability and could already have been talking to him. If they just rely on information from the internet they are a joke of a club if you ask me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 07, 2015, 07:16:59 PM
That it's only come out now suggests to me that all elements are in place, and it's down to the medical being completed.

Exciting signing if we pull it off.

Would still like another winger to compliment our attacking though.

Also suggests we're likely to play more in the mould of a TP Palace side, than a TP Stoke side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Yamaka on August 07, 2015, 07:46:38 PM
As others have pointed out these bolts from the blue type signings tend to fit the mould of our past dealings which makes me optimistic that this is kosha.

As for Saido being on his way out that is a completely different deal which will almost certainly be made sooner or later.

As long as it's not sooner we could have a rather good team to start the season with.   8)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
It's his agents job to make the calls and make clubs aware his player is avaliable. The days of the media leaking it to clubs are long gone.

There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 08:10:01 PM
There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!

I would of thought that its just business that the agent would leak this to try and earn more money for their client or do they get tied to NDA's to prevent the leak?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:10:49 PM
Also I cant be bothered to go back and quote the post but for someone to compare Austin to Rondon is just insane. A proven international with an amazing goal record and reputation in the game or Austin who has had one good season in the PL and has massive injury issues.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MBWBA on August 07, 2015, 08:12:38 PM
Maybe the club thought it was the right time in the window to try to sign him. Others have already spent big on strikers or already have strikers in place. So it being leaked won't make too much difference.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 07, 2015, 08:13:10 PM
Also I cant be bothered to go back and quote the post but for someone to compare Austin to Rondon is just insane. A proven international with an amazing goal record and reputation in the game or Austin who has had one good season in the PL and has massive injury issues.
In your humble opinion, what percentage do you think it's likely we sign Randon?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 07, 2015, 08:13:20 PM
Also I cant be bothered to go back and quote the post but for someone to compare Austin to Rondon is just insane. A proven international with an amazing goal record and reputation in the game or Austin who has had one good season in the PL and has massive injury issues.

Is it likely to be announced tomorrow?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 08:15:28 PM
There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!

Is it your thoughts then based on your comments that this deal may fall down? Has he had his medical?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on August 07, 2015, 08:16:00 PM
There is a huge difference between agents contacting clubs to say he is available and it becoming public knowledge we have agreed a fee. Other clubs may have been aware of his availability and thought they would wait until the end of the window, this was 99% done and the club were doing everything they could to keep it under wraps. Now its public knowledge other teams will have to move now or never and to be fair everyone is looking for a proven CL player for £15m.

Fee agreed and wages but to be fair I really worry now about the delay. People think its great to be linked with players and they moan if nothings in the press but this is the consequence of when things become public knowledge.

I would prefer if no transfer story was ever leaked again as it would mean we have a better chance of signing players. I can put up with fans moaning we are not being linked with anybody just because it is not published!

Then we just have to hope like hell that other clubs don't move for him although like you say proven champions league player for £15m in this day and age he will always garner interest from bigger clubs at that price. I just hope people don't bash the club if he chooses to go elsewhere thev done all they can. If this was to be wrapped up what sort of timeline would you imagine it would be done in? Thanks for the insight as well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 07, 2015, 08:16:52 PM
Baggie 79 everyone on here appreciates your honesty and your links. I'm impatient sometimes but I know the club have to keep things close to hand because if it leaked we could lose a player. I really hope we don't lose this one as it sounds an absolute coup. Sadly people will continue to demand news. Hopefully this comes off and our reward for keeping it hush hush is the signing of this guy and then we release a statement asking all fans to be patient and believe what's going on behind the scenes is a lot and is beneficial
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:21:49 PM
I would of thought that its just business that the agent would leak this to try and earn more money for their client or do they get tied to NDA's to prevent the leak?

The agent would have pushed the player for lets say £25m to try to get the best sign on for his client and himself, most clubs would turn there noses up at this but as soon it leaks we have agreed £15m it is another story.

Will he sign for us? Yes I think he will but this doesn't help at all..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:23:29 PM
The agent would have pushed the player for lets say £25m to try to get the best sign on for his client and himself, most clubs would turn there noses up at this but as soon it leaks we have agreed £15m it is another story.

Will he sign for us? Yes I think he will but this doesn't help at all..

Thanks for the input baggie79 you say in another post this is 99 percent done? Could this potentially get announced tonight or tomorrow? It's that close.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 08:31:46 PM
Thanks for the input baggie79 you say in another post this is 99 percent done? Could this potentially get announced tonight or tomorrow? It's that close.

He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:33:12 PM
He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.

Cheers mate. I'm glad you still think he will sign for us but I refuse to get excited until it's all official on the club site.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 08:33:48 PM
He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.

It's a shame they can't push it through on a Saturday, that gives teams the chance to jump in and stretches that 11th hour to two days! WHO LEAKED THIS DAMNIT?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:40:40 PM
It's a shame they can't push it through on a Saturday, that gives teams the chance to jump in and stretches that 11th hour to two days! WHO LEAKED THIS DAMNIT?!

If baggie79 still thinks he will sign and he says it's 99 percent done then I'm confident he will sign for us. I wonder how much we are paying him a week? Surely he will be our highest earner.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ABaggie on August 07, 2015, 08:41:36 PM
It's a shame they can't push it through on a Saturday, that gives teams the chance to jump in and stretches that 11th hour to two days! WHO LEAKED THIS DAMNIT?!

His agent. It's what he is employed to do
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
I should also add Ideye followed him on Twitter and Instagram earlier which makes me even more confident that the deal is 99 percent done  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 07, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
His goals to games ratio is almost identical to that  of Ideye's incidentally. Lets hope he performs better if indeed he does sign. I can see Ideye leaving. He will score plenty elsrwhere as he's proved in the past. I just don't think he's cut out for the Prem.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 07, 2015, 09:06:48 PM
Being an albion fan I fear the worst....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 09:08:53 PM
His player profile has been removed from the zenit st Petersberg official site. Make of that what you will. I did not realise that Milan Baros was their manager.

From what I can work out from the Venezuela press his is also their most expensive national player ever.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 09:22:14 PM
His player profile has been removed from the zenit st Petersberg official site. Make of that what you will. I did not realise that Milan Baros was their manager.

From what I can work out from the Venezuela press his is also their most expensive national player ever.

AVB is their manager not Milan Baros. It sure seems like another thing to prove the move is near.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 07, 2015, 09:27:30 PM
AVB is their manager not Milan Baros. It sure seems like another thing to prove the move is near.

You are quite right!  I'm getting worried now as the last time I got this excited was when Anelka joined.  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 09:32:06 PM
£13.5m is the fee, could be announced as early as tomorrow all being well. Sorry for the confusion but things change minute to minute.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 09:38:15 PM
£13.5m is the fee, could be announced as early as tomorrow all being well. Sorry for the confusion but things change minute to minute.

As in things have changed since your last posts 15 or so minutes ago? His profile has been removed from the club site. Ideye is following him on Twitter and instagram and someone as reliable as you has stated they think he will sign and its 99 percent done...I'm confident  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 09:43:09 PM
As in things have changed since your last posts 15 or so minutes ago? His profile has been removed from the club site. Ideye is following him on Twitter and instagram and someone as reliable as you has stated they think he will sign and its 99 percent done...I'm confident  :P

Not holding the shirt yet, phrase chickens and counting springs to mind. 🙏
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2015, 09:43:23 PM
£13.5m is the fee, could be announced as early as tomorrow all being well. Sorry for the confusion but things change minute to minute.
thanks for updating, its nice having our own fly on the wall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 07, 2015, 09:43:41 PM
What would we do without Baggie79  ::) Thanks for all the new (and reliable) info!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 09:50:30 PM
My mom and dad are in Cielo having a meal and Yacob  is sitting 2 tables behind them. Yacob is checking the newsnow newsfeed on his phone every 10 minutes according to my dad. After he as eaten, my dad eckons he is going to ask him what he knows. Luckily we've lived in Spain for the last 10 years and my dad can speak Spanish, if I here anything I'll let you all know but knowing my dad, he'll probably bottle it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: royhan on August 07, 2015, 09:56:01 PM
The Daily Mail online edition is reporting in one sentence that Rondon had his medical today, but later on in the report says he will have the medical tomorrow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on August 07, 2015, 09:57:39 PM
Hats off IF we pull this signing off. Hopefully keep Saido to though and not a replacement
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 09:58:17 PM
My mom and dad are in Cielo having a meal and Yacob  is sitting 2 tables behind them. Yacob is checking the newsnow newsfeed on his phone every 10 minutes according to my dad. After he as eaten, my dad eckons he is going to ask him what he knows. Luckily we've lived in Spain for the last 10 years and my dad can speak Spanish, if I here anything I'll let you all know but knowing my dad, he'll probably bottle it.

Let's hope he doesn't bottle it on this one occasion  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 07, 2015, 09:58:21 PM
The Daily Mail online edition is reporting in one sentence that Rondon had his medical today, but later on in the report says he will have the medical tomorrow.

There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 10:03:20 PM
There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.

I may be wrong but it sounds like fee agreed he had his medical today then we will see results tomorrow and could announce it as early as tomorrow all being well? Please feel free to correct me if thats not the scenario  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.

Don't quite understand the comment in how it refers to the article. If you say it will be announced shortly I do believe you but perhaps you could explain your thoughts on the medical side of things

Think baggie38 answered my comment😊😉
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on August 07, 2015, 10:10:49 PM
There is a big difference between taking a medical and passing it.
That sounds to me like a problem with the medical , IF he signs I will judge him when he plays as I had my fingers burnt with Anelka and Rosenberg  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 07, 2015, 10:10:55 PM
My mom and dad are in Cielo having a meal and Yacob  is sitting 2 tables behind them. Yacob is checking the newsnow newsfeed on his phone every 10 minutes according to my dad. After he as eaten, my dad eckons he is going to ask him what he knows. Luckily we've lived in Spain for the last 10 years and my dad can speak Spanish, if I here anything I'll let you all know but knowing my dad, he'll probably bottle it.
your dad will be in the dog house later VANDERLEI, he's having dinner with his wife while he watches what Yacobs doing and telling you at the same time.
hope the foods great for your mom to compensate for your dads behaviour.
 glad to see your dads got his priorities right and please thank him for any info received. :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on August 07, 2015, 10:15:16 PM
Stunned that we're going to pull this off. His goalscoring record everywhere he was played has been impressive and more importantly he's still only 25 and getting a player in his peak.

I would much rather spend the money on Rondon than Austin.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 10:16:48 PM
JP spending £15m.

More likely to see salman rushdie up front than a £15m striker.

If he comes it will be sold to us like the brown 10m record signing which turned out to be about 2m down with rest of 10m based on him finding shergar and curing cancer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 07, 2015, 10:23:35 PM
JP spending £15m.

More likely to see salman rushdie up front than a £15m striker.

If he comes it will be sold to us like the brown 10m record signing which turned out to be about 2m down with rest of 10m based on him finding shergar and curing cancer.

There's no pleasing some folk. Who cares as long as he can score goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on August 07, 2015, 10:26:17 PM
Does anyone know the make up of the deal? Is it straight £13.5m up front or a smaller fee heavily weighted with incentives?

All signing are a risk but this one looks promising. Althought Ideye Browns record before us looked promising too.     
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 10:36:25 PM
He hasn't passed a medical yet so I would imagine it will be Monday at the earliest.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/07/salomon-rondon-close-to-albion-move/

Zenit St Petersburg have accepted a fee from the Baggies and the Venezuela forward has finalised personal terms and passed a medical.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 10:44:34 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 07, 2015, 10:47:17 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background



Haha, nice info and picture. Props to your parents too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 10:53:25 PM
Haha, nice info and picture. Props to your parents too.

Poor Yacob, my dad must have bored him to death. He's a proper motormouth.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 10:58:18 PM
There's no pleasing some folk. Who cares as long as he can score goals

I've got no problem with a goal scoring striker, far from it.

My problem is jp's bull.

If a player costs 2m down which could rise to 10m tell me that, don't tell he's our record 10m signing.

Regards rondon the only reason we are in for him than the prem proven, same price Austin must be wages.

Given the choice i know which i would pick.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jwilkes90 on August 07, 2015, 11:02:07 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)

😂 Top work
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 11:03:08 PM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)

MILF!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 11:06:06 PM
MILF!!!

Oi that's mom..... and possibly my future stepdad in the background.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on August 07, 2015, 11:08:38 PM
Stifler's mum. Nice.  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 07, 2015, 11:10:15 PM
Oi that's mom..... and possibly my future stepdad in the background.

 ;D ;D

I just said what people were thinking!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 07, 2015, 11:12:34 PM
Note to self: Don't post pics of female relatives on westbrom.com anymore
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2015, 11:15:13 PM
I've got no problem with a goal scoring striker, far from it.

My problem is jp's bull.

If a player costs 2m down which could rise to 10m tell me that, don't tell he's our record 10m signing.

Regards rondon the only reason we are in for him than the prem proven, same price Austin must be wages.

Given the choice i know which i would pick.

Not bothered if he costs £13m up front or 13p unfront and the rest in add-ons as long as he does the business. JP and the press can bandy what figures they like around, who cares.

As for wages I would imagine he's on a decent whack in Russia, according to this site his wages in 2014 were $3.6m around £44k a week which according to the same site is around £20k a week more than Austin so not looking as though we're going for the cheap option.

http://www.celebritiesmoney.com/jose-salomon-rondon-salary-net-worth-centre-forward-of-zenit-st-petersburg/

Proven track record and from what I have seen in the past powerful striker who knows where the net in.

Just hope we can pull it off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 07, 2015, 11:37:23 PM
Not bothered if he costs £13m up front or 13p unfront and the rest in add-ons as long as he does the business. JP and the press can bandy what figures they like around, who cares.

As for wages I would imagine he's on a decent whack in Russia, according to this site his wages in 2014 were $3.6m around £44k a week which according to the same site is around £20k a week more than Austin so not looking as though we're going for the cheap option.

http://www.celebritiesmoney.com/jose-salomon-rondon-salary-net-worth-centre-forward-of-zenit-st-petersburg/

Proven track record and from what I have seen in the past powerful striker who knows where the net in.

Just hope we can pull it off.


Well according to Yacob we have.  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 11:38:29 PM
 It may not bother you being told inaccurate figures but it does me.

I went to see our "10m" striker brown against the dingles in an u21 game at the start of last season and left gutted thinking we'd wasted "10m" on a bloke who couldn't trap a bag of cement.

Regarding Austin you're gravelly mistaken if you think after his England call up he'll be on less than Rodondo when he moves clubs.

My major concern with Brown and now Rodondo is nobody had heard of them and no other club are fighting to get them.

Much prefer a proven prem player like austin.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 07, 2015, 11:42:24 PM
In my last post i meant rondon not rodondo.

He was the argentine superstar fernando redondo who was about to sign for us ab few years back but retired instead.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on August 07, 2015, 11:46:54 PM
It may not bother you being told inaccurate figures but it does me.

I went to see our "10m" striker brown against the dingles in an u21 game at the start of last season and left gutted thinking we'd wasted "10m" on a bloke who couldn't trap a bag of cement.

Regarding Austin you're gravelly mistaken if you think after his England call up he'll be on less than Rodondo when he moves clubs.

My major concern with Brown and now Rodondo is nobody had heard of them and no other club are fighting to get them.

Much prefer a proven prem player like austin.

Sorry but I'm fairly sure quite a few on here would have heard of Rondon before today. He has a much better pedigree than what Ideye came with, he's scored goals in Spain and Russia, both much better leagues than in Ukraine where Ideye was bought.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2015, 11:48:35 PM

Well according to Yacob we have.  :P

I know and I also saw what Baggie79 said but until that photo appears on the website with the shirt or scarf then theres always a chance it falls through, its happened before and can alsways happen again  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on August 07, 2015, 11:48:51 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4

A mixture of tap-ins and shocking defending in the main. It will be interesting to see how he copes with the premiership...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 07, 2015, 11:56:07 PM
It would be great to get Rondon, keep Bera, get rid of Vic,...and Ideye comes good.

Is that asking too much?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 07, 2015, 11:59:27 PM
Fingers and toes are crossed!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 08, 2015, 12:10:59 AM
Express and star seem to think he's signed, if you read the article a little further down. You'd think for any more signings Berahino would have to be off, providing this does come through.

Either way it's a big statement and hats off to Pulis and Peace if it comes off.

McClean, Lambert and Chester are 3 solid signings. Gnabry and Rondon would add a lot going forward.

Starting to turn into a good window IF this happens.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2015, 12:23:52 AM
If the deal gets done it is obviously a major investment in a player at the peak of his career which is what many fans want to see. It does not matter whether it is £15m or £13.5m does the extra £1.5m make him a better player? If it is any comfort for those who set store by such things a google search will reveal an article linking him with Spurs and Liverpool so obviously that validates us signing him although you would need over look those club's signing of Carroll and Soldado.

If the fee is structured so what? If he is a success we will pay the money and  if he's not well thank God we did because it will save a few million towards getting a replacement. As for signing Charlie Austin it might be as simple as a player who would seem to be courted by half the clubs in the Premier League is not particularly interested in joining us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 08, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
We would be probably 5th choice for Austin at best.

Given his dodgy knee and huge wage packet, I think he's best left for clubs who can splash 15 million and afford to risk him being injured for lengthy periods.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dubya BA on August 08, 2015, 12:33:28 AM
It would be great to get Rondon, keep Bera, get rid of Vic,...and Ideye comes good.

Is that asking too much?

If it is ...I am asking too much too. I actually think it would be great if we could keep all of our existing strikers but obviously we may have to let at least one go to get back some cash.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 12:35:13 AM
Wiki now saying he plays for us. I know Wiki isn't the most reliable as we saw with Jianlin, but a lot of people have run with this including Steve Madely.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 08, 2015, 12:52:58 AM
If we do wrap this up and our strikers are berahino, lambert, rondon and anichebe? Then that is one if the best strike forces in the league!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 08, 2015, 02:08:24 AM
Sorry but I'm fairly sure quite a few on here would have heard of Rondon before today. He has a much better pedigree than what Ideye came with, he's scored goals in Spain and Russia, both much better leagues than in Ukraine where Ideye was bought.

Fair play to those who have heard of Rondon.

But, i've beem to the last 5 world cups and am now waiting for the weekly world football show to start at 2am on radio five live.A radio show around this time last year the african football correspondent, when asked by an albion mon on the phone in what he thought of Brown for 10m said we had vastly overpaid for him.
On contray on the same show phil vickery, the south american correspondent said Blanco coyld be a
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 08, 2015, 02:10:53 AM
That should of read blanco could be the surprise great signing of the summer window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 08, 2015, 02:23:52 AM
Funnily enough vickery has said he has worries about the record fee being mooted for rondon and how he will find a league where his physical style is the norm not the exceptuon which makes him  good in russia.

It's available on demand if anyone wants to listen to the show repeated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 08, 2015, 03:10:57 AM
Jose Salomon Rondon? Big, strong, decent finisher. Replacement for Ideye?

EDIT: Would be amazed if he came to us. He is a Champions League quality striker. I also don't understand how/why he'd be available. Easily a £10 million striker, and contracted until 2018 apparently.

Had to be a replacement for sick vic. One big lunp whose never fit replaced by this beast who seems to have a better knack of finding the net. Ideye offers plenty vic doesn't
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2015, 06:17:01 AM
My dad Skyped me, Yacob said that Rondon has signed. My dad asked him what he thought and he said he was very good. He spoke with him for about 10 minutes, my mom made of fuss of his and his Mrs baby while my dad grilled him, said his English was very good, spoke to him in Spanish and English.

Snidy Stalker pic my dad took, with him and his little un in the background

(http://i59.tinypic.com/sx27gi.jpg)

Has Yacob had a perm?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2015, 06:49:10 AM
As he's Venezuelan, will he need a work permit or does he qualify to play in Europe some other way?

It looks like he's been on the bench for Zenit's first 3 league games of the season, despite scoring 20 goals in 44 games for them last season. He did play in 3 games at COPA 2015 in June though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on August 08, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
 a lot of South American guys travel on Spanish/Portugese  passports through their ancestry, have no idea whether this bloke does or not but if he does  then he wont need a work permit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on August 08, 2015, 08:08:04 AM
Really hope that we can sign Rondon just to have this song ringing around the Hawthorns

With a bit of humour in about our Jezza -Bless him.

The Albion signed him for 15 mill

A do Ron-don a do Ron-don

When somebody told me my heart stood still

A do Ron-don a do Ron-don

Oh he's 15 mill - Jezza must have taken a pill

But when he scores a goal - A do Ron-don a do Ron-don
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 08, 2015, 08:28:38 AM
Ronny will be our top scorer this season. No question. Reminds me of Carew, Benteke, Dzeko...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
As he's Venezuelan, will he need a work permit or does he qualify to play in Europe some other way?

It looks like he's been on the bench for Zenit's first 3 league games of the season, despite scoring 20 goals in 44 games for them last season. He did play in 3 games at COPA 2015 in June though.

He should/may qualify for a permit if these articles are anything to go by.
(Ed' at 13:02: unless he already qualifies via an EU passport which I meant to type in earlier  ??? )

Taken from the Metro when Rondon was linked to both Liverpool and Spurs in March:

“The 25-year-old would qualify for a work permit as he is a regular in the Venezuela team with 12 goals in 36 games for his country”.

Article linked below:

http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/01/tottenham-hotspur-and-liverpool-plot-transfer-raid-on-zenit-saint-petersburgs-salomon-rondon-5058239/ (http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/01/tottenham-hotspur-and-liverpool-plot-transfer-raid-on-zenit-saint-petersburgs-salomon-rondon-5058239/)

Meanwhile the criteria for work permits’ from none EU countries states:

“1. A player must have played for his country in at least 75% of its competitive A team matches of which he was available for selection, during the two years preceding the date of the application

2. The player’s country must be at or above 70th place in the official FIFA world rankings when averaged over the two years preceding the date of the application”.

Source linked below:

http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits.htm (http://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits.htm)

Venezuela’s current world ranking is 48:

http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/associations/association=ven/men/index.html (http://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/associations/association=ven/men/index.html)

The 'only' fly in the ointment is that according to the attached ranking chart Venezuela were ranked 88 last year. However, this was the only time in which they have dropped from the top 70 of world rankings since 2006 so 'may' be taken into account perhaps. Either that, or this is the reason the 'big' boys have not bid for him thus far perhaps!?!

Hope this helps.
 :).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2015, 09:10:17 AM
Decent review here:

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/meet-jose-salomon-rondon-venezuelan-powerhouse-who-could-complete-liverpools-front-line
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 08, 2015, 09:44:22 AM
Decent review here:

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/meet-jose-salomon-rondon-venezuelan-powerhouse-who-could-complete-liverpools-front-line

cheers for that, bit worried about the sick note aspect to his lat season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 08, 2015, 10:15:38 AM
From the 442 article the words that matter

“He’s a young man who likes to work hard,” Pellegrini said in 2012. “From the outset he’s always shown willingness to evolve and learn day after day. He’s still at that stage where he has a long way to go, but it is a privilege to have him in the team.”


That makes him a Pulis type player and the stuff about working hard out of possession would be music to TP's ears.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 08, 2015, 11:19:54 AM
Hope this helps.
 :).
It does - thanks for the info SmethDan. Fingers crossed that things don't founder because of a work permit issue if we do sign him.

Cheers

Chris
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sammyg on August 08, 2015, 11:40:33 AM
Sky sports really don't have a clue do they,

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/9941039/salomon-rondon-set-to-join-west-brom-in-club-record-deal-sky-sources-understand

"Rondon would become Tony Pulis’ seventh summer signing of the summer and the club’s second new striker following the arrival of Rickie Lambert from Liverpool."

Seventh?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Wonder if this could get announced today or the club will just wait until Monday?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2015, 11:42:29 AM
Wonder if this could get announced today or the club will just wait until Monday?


presenting him to the crowd on Monday i would guess
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:43:44 AM

presenting him to the crowd on Monday i would guess

They may present him to the crowd but I'm referring to breaking the news that he has signed.


Edit
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 08, 2015, 11:46:56 AM
They may present him to the crowd but I'm receding to breaking the news that he has signed.

Receding?

Baggie38 - does this mean berahino is gone as reporting on twitter?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 11:48:27 AM
They may present him to the crowd but I'm receding to breaking the news that he has signed.

I know this is beginning to drag a bit, but it's not worth pulling your hair out over chap.
 ;).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Receding?

Baggie38 - does this mean berahino is gone as reporting on twitter?

Take what you read on Twitter as gossip and nothing more. The club are planning on playing rondon with berahinio as far as I'm aware the situation hasn't changed the club have received no bids for Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charliemike on August 08, 2015, 11:56:15 AM
If Albion do sign this lad my gut feeling is saido will go . Mind you 25million would mean we can carry on strengthening in other areas . This is only the start of tony PULIS revamping our squad .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 11:58:20 AM
If Albion do sign this lad my gut feeling is saido will go . Mind you 25million would mean we can carry on strengthening in other areas . This is only the start of tony PULIS revamping our squad .

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but honestly I think that's just putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2015, 12:09:40 PM
Why is it I always feel that any new proposed signing is going to fall though at the last minute. So just for my piece of my mind just how close are we of signing Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charliemike on August 08, 2015, 12:11:19 PM
Thanks Baggie . I wasn't wishfull thinking . I'm more shell shocked with us spending some money .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 12:12:10 PM
Why is it I always feel that any new proposed signing is going to fall though at the last minute. So just for my piece of my mind just how close are we of signing Rondon.

If you believe what the Express and Star said last night the fee is agreed between the clubs, medical has been passed, personal terms agreed and we are waiting for international clearance. With all of that in mind I would find it staggering if it fell through now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 12:36:47 PM
If you believe what the Express and Star said last night the fee is agreed between the clubs, medical has been passed, personal terms agreed and we are waiting for international clearance. With all of that in mind I would find it staggering if it fell through now.

Doesn't that mean we can announce it now but just have to say "subject to gaining international Clearance"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 12:43:14 PM
No idea, I don't claim to be in the know about these things.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 08, 2015, 12:45:09 PM
Doesn't that mean we can announce it now but just have to say "subject to gaining international Clarence"

Think you may have been cross eyed when your wrote this bit.

Pretty sure we announced well in advance of Brown Ideye's international clearance and Gamboa's caused some questions too due to him missing international games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
If you believe what the Express and Star said last night the fee is agreed between the clubs, medical has been passed, personal terms agreed and we are waiting for international clearance. With all of that in mind I would find it staggering if it fell through now.

Don't mean to be picky, but in fairness having just watched the video which was attached to that story, Madeley only says states the deal is 'close'.

Despite the accompanying text saying otherwise, the header also says 'close'.

He does not actually say that everything has been agreed and believes there may still be some talking to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 12:54:32 PM
Don't mean to be picky, but in fairness having just watched the video which was attached to that story, Madeley only says states the deal is 'close'.

Despite the accompanying text saying otherwise, the header also says 'close'.

He does not actually say that everything has been agreed and believes there may still be some talking to do.

If I remember right the video was posted earlier in the day while the article was updated after the video was posted.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 12:55:56 PM
Not seen the video just read the article attached to it late last night.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 12:58:32 PM
If I remember right the video was posted earlier in the day while the article was updated after the video was posted.

Fair do's '38, I had no idea they had staggered the timings.
Cheers for that.
 8).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ABaggie on August 08, 2015, 12:59:30 PM
Think you may have been cross eyed when your wrote this bit.

Pretty sure we announced well in advance of Brown Ideye's international clearance and Gamboa's caused some questions too due to him missing international games.

Brown & Gamboa both had to wait for work permits. This is different to international clearance. I have taken this to mean that like many south Americans Rondon has a Spanish passport. With a Spanish passport he wont need a work permit and so the club are simply waiting for his registration to be transferred from the Russian fa to the English fa. I may be wrong though
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 08, 2015, 01:03:00 PM
Brown & Gamboa both had to wait for work permits. This is different to international clearance. I have taken this to mean that like many south Americans Rondon has a Spanish passport. With a Spanish passport he wont need a work permit and so the club are simply waiting for his registration to be transferred from the Russian fa to the English fa. I may be wrong though

Thanks for the clarification, I knew there was some delay.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on August 08, 2015, 02:22:42 PM
I hope I am wrong, but, I have reservations about this signing, if he was that good, someone in the Premier League would have taken a punt already, as I say, hope I'm wrong. :-\
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 08, 2015, 02:38:01 PM
Trained with the first team this morning. Saw him with my own eyes and i am assured the deal is done by by another first teamer who said he is quality.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 08, 2015, 02:43:24 PM
I hope I am wrong, but, I have reservations about this signing, if he was that good, someone in the Premier League would have taken a punt already, as I say, hope I'm wrong. :-\
wasn't he Liverpool's back up if they couldn't get Benteke? and anyway, could you not say that about a few players?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on August 08, 2015, 02:56:38 PM
Not sure why people are assuming this signing means Berahino will be away if you believe the gossip Albion are still looking at a number of quality signings which if it came off would mean spending far more than we would get for Berahino.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 03:02:16 PM
wasn't he Liverpool's back up if they couldn't get Benteke? and anyway, could you not say that about a few players?

I think Chelsea were looking at him to replace Drogba a couple of seasons ago,too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 03:06:06 PM
Trained with the first team this morning. Saw him with my own eyes and i am assured the deal is done by by another first teamer who said he is quality.

I hope you weren't just seeing things but the signs are certainly positive.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 08, 2015, 03:11:01 PM
I hope you weren't just seeing things but the signs are certainly positive.

110%.

Watched him for around 10 mins in a training match then shooting practice. I spoke with one of our defenders and they said its done, just waiting until monday for paperwork to go to premier league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kevan49 on August 08, 2015, 03:26:10 PM
Thanks for the confirmation, will look forward to Monday even more now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 03:33:12 PM
110%.

Watched him for around 10 mins in a training match then shooting practice. I spoke with one of our defenders and they said its done, just waiting until monday for paperwork to go to premier league.

That makes sense to be fair as our offices are shut over weekend.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2015, 03:35:19 PM
That makes sense to be fair as our offices are shut over weekend.

More likely their offices are closed, our people will be around when needed, part of the job.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 08, 2015, 03:41:12 PM
More likely their offices are closed, our people will be around when needed, part of the job.

£15m deal that breaks our transfer record held up because Wendy needs to do her garden.  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 08, 2015, 03:42:40 PM
£15m deal that breaks our transfer record held up because Wendy needs to do her garden.  :D

Richard Garlick needed a new bog brush, heavy night on the beer  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2015, 04:48:37 PM
Trained with the first team this morning. Saw him with my own eyes and i am assured the deal is done by by another first teamer who said he is quality.

Should have taken your own boots pal!  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 08, 2015, 04:57:20 PM
Very good source telling me it's done announcement due Monday followed by an introduction to the fans at Monday nights game
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on August 08, 2015, 04:58:11 PM
Looks like a done deal, happy days quality bit of business done there hats of to JP not his greatest fan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 08, 2015, 05:11:49 PM
Congratulations to everyone at the club that has pulled this off. This sort of signing gets you to the next level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: graka on August 08, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
A quality player. When you look at the teams who have been linked with him in quite surprised we have managed to convince him to come to the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 08, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
Amazing signing! What a coup. I can't wait to read the official announcement on Monday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 08, 2015, 09:29:16 PM
Amazing signing! What a coup. I can't wait to read the official announcement on Monday.
Is it only me who still will not believe until baggie79 posts he has signed or there is a photo in paper. Even though training with us I am still concerned about something going wrong
Also will be deflated a little if berahino not in squad on Monday. ..

Cannot help being pessimistic -I  remember us selling earnshaw and not replacing him :-(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ABaggie on August 08, 2015, 09:40:43 PM
Is it only me who still will not believe until baggie79 posts he has signed or there is a photo in paper. Even though training with us I am still concerned about something going wrong
Also will be deflated a little if berahino not in squad on Monday. ..

Cannot help being pessimistic -I  remember us selling earnshaw and not replacing him :-(

Earnshaw wasn't very good though. That's why they thought they could manage without him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 08, 2015, 09:44:16 PM
Earnshaw wasn't very good though. That's why they thought they could manage without him

He was our top scorer the year before though. Kevin Campbell was past it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 08, 2015, 09:47:04 PM
Is it only me who still will not believe until baggie79 posts he has signed or there is a photo in paper. Even though training with us I am still concerned about something going wrong
Also will be deflated a little if berahino not in squad on Monday. ..

Cannot help being pessimistic -I  remember us selling earnshaw and not replacing him :-(

Berahino will be in the squad on Monday.  A good performance v City could see another £5m on his transfer value
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cads_ap_albion on August 08, 2015, 10:33:58 PM
Berahino will be in the squad on Monday.  A good performance v City could see another £5m on his transfer value

Not if a deal is in the pipeline. Peace wouldn't risk an injury preventing a 25m windfall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2015, 10:42:42 PM
Berahino will be in the squad on Monday. A good performance v City could see another £5m on his transfer value

Maybe he's going back with them on the coach
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 12:33:20 AM
If Yacob is excited, I'm excited
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on August 09, 2015, 09:38:01 AM
If Yacob is excited, I'm excited

Where does it comment Yacob is excited? Have I missed something ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 09, 2015, 09:43:15 AM
Where does it comment Yacob is excited? Have I missed something ?

His dad saw him in a restaurant and spoke to him, I think it was his dad! Also somebody else on here spoke to a player and both players said he'd signed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 10:11:39 AM
I don't understand why there is so much excitement over the signing of another unknown quantity.

Surely the stench of the "Brown" stuff is still in our nostrils for us to be somewhat wary.

Better players than rondon have failed in the prem, eg shevchenco.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dubya BA on August 09, 2015, 10:22:44 AM
Its all opinions until he actually plays. I would agree that better players have failed in the premier league but the reason some of us are excited is because Rondon is an established goalscorer. He has proven this on the international stage and with a top European club. By any standard he is a highly rated striker and we are pushing the boat out moneywise to get him.  Liverpool thought he was good enough so why shouldn't we?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 09, 2015, 10:29:18 AM
Liverpool thought he was good enough so why shouldn't we?
You can't really say that though, as Liverpool didn't sign him!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbarenno on August 09, 2015, 10:31:58 AM
Its all opinions until he actually plays. I would agree that better players have failed in the premier league but the reason some of us are excited is because Rondon is an established goalscorer. He has proven this on the international stage and with a top European club. By any standard he is a highly rated striker and we are pushing the boat out moneywise to get him.  Liverpool thought he was good enough so why shouldn't we?

Ill be pleased if we sign him but i still see it as a gamble, ideye and rosenberg fell into the category youve stated above and look whats happened with them. I would of preferred us to spend the 15 million on austin. But lets see what he can do, he does look like a good fit for the premier league!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboyfred on August 09, 2015, 10:41:22 AM
cant say i have heard of the guy myself , obviously from all the comments his reputation precedes him, as far as i am concerned like Ideys last season we give him a chance just hope he does better than Ideye has done , hope it does not mean the departure of SB, somebody will have to go hopefully it will be VA  and/or BI, in the meantime looking forward to tomorrow night
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on August 09, 2015, 10:42:36 AM
You can't really say that though, as Liverpool didn't sign him!

and Brendan's transfer record is shocking!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 10:52:43 AM
Where does it comment Yacob is excited? Have I missed something ?

I can 100% confirm that Yacob was excited about Rondon signing. The deal was signed off on Friday evening, so it's just a case of waiting for international clearance by the looks of things.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 11:19:56 AM
It is safe to assume that any player who joins us probably does not have the option of joining a top 6 English club or one of the bigger clubs in Europe. There are exceptions to the rule but in general while a player might be quite good by our standards by Premier League standards they will be about average. If there was an objective way of ranking players by position I very much doubt many if any of ours would be in the top 10. If they were then there would endless speculation concerning their future. Like there is surrounding Saido at the moment.

Ultimately he will be an improvement on Vic to whom he would appear to be similar in style and physic (one has to hope less fragile). Would Pulis have preferred an English based alternative ? Possibly but the obvious one Charlie Austin may have zero interest in signing for us. Is he a risk? Yes but then again there is always a risk with any transfer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 11:31:32 AM
I can 100% confirm that Yacob was excited about Rondon signing. The deal was signed off on Friday evening, so it's just a case of waiting for international clearance by the looks of things.

It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on August 09, 2015, 11:41:25 AM
It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.

If so he should be welcomed with "The Lord Is My Shepherd" by all us fans.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 09, 2015, 11:41:50 AM
It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.

I'd rather he signed a day or two earlier and did his own lap of honour after banging in a hat trick.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Please note I say the club are considering it. they may or may not parade him a decision hasn't been made as of yet. Official announcement should be tomorrow though like others have said.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2015, 11:47:28 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on August 09, 2015, 11:54:09 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino

 :'( fricking hope not either way at least will know tomorrow because he wouldn't be picked for the game if he's on the move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 09, 2015, 11:54:24 AM
I know Albion fans have always been a pessimistic bunch but some of the negativity on here is beggars belief
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: buzzingbaggie on August 09, 2015, 11:55:30 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino

Where you getting this from, I've seen as much on Spurs fan site but that's just speculating?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2015, 11:57:23 AM
I assume we are waiting until Monday to announce this deal just like Tottenham have been told they have to wait until monday to announce the signing of Berahino

There is absolutely nothing close regarding Berahino
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionwarrior on August 09, 2015, 12:05:30 PM
If you can do something ..... then worry about it and do it?

If you can't why bother .... we are further ahead now than we were this time last season, so whatever else happens will be a further bonus.

Let's be honest, if Saido plays to anywhere near his potential during the season ... He will be gone, maybe in January or probably at the end of the season .... and hopefully on our terms which means we are virtually safe by Christmas or completely safe by the end of the year.

Let's all put on our "Rose Tinted Glasses" and at least enjoy the prospect of the season being about to start

 :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
Don't get my apprehension regards the rondon signing as negativity.

But, look at our prvious record breakers Valero and Brown, great elsewhere average at best with us .

But, if he signs i hope be bangs in dozens and dozens of goals.

I'll be there to welcome him tomorrow night and at watford to see him come off the bench to get the winner.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 09, 2015, 12:17:09 PM
Don't get my apprehension regards the rondon signing as negativity.

But, look at our prvious record breakers Valero and Brown, great elsewhere average at best with us .

But, if he signs i hope be bangs in dozens and dozens of goals.

I'll be there to welcome him tomorrow night and at watford to see him come off the bench to get the winner.

He is a much more naturally gifted footballer than Ideye, which will help a lot in this league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 09, 2015, 12:22:13 PM
Having a physical presence will be a clear advantage over brown.

Gestede scored yesterday for Villa. If he can be a handful in the air then he'll undoubtably get goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on August 09, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
It's just paper work now mate. should be confirmed tomorrow. The club are also considering parading him to the fans either before the game or at half time on Monday.

Cheers baggie38 :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 01:21:28 PM
Don't get my apprehension regards the rondon signing as negativity.

But, look at our prvious record breakers Valero and Brown, great elsewhere average at best with us .

But, if he signs i hope be bangs in dozens and dozens of goals.

I'll be there to welcome him tomorrow night and at watford to see him come off the bench to get the winner.

Valero was played out of position, and Ideye looked quality after January. I hope Brown stays as I think he could have a good season as he seems to have settled now. Not fair to judge a player on his first season, Henry struggled in his first season and look how that one turned out in the end.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 01:29:43 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 01:31:23 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?

No mate someone to partner Saido Berahinio.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on August 09, 2015, 01:53:38 PM
No mate someone to partner Saido Berahinio.

That's just pure guess work.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 02:23:55 PM
No mate someone to partner Saido Berahinio.

Key word being long term.

I cannot see Saido Berahino being here next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 09, 2015, 02:33:41 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?

He (Rondon) isn't quick, though not slow either, and while he is a good finisher he isn't what you'd call a poacher.

His main attribute is his strength. He's a target man. Don't know what he's like in the air but I'd assume he's half decent.

If we're letting Berahino go and getting Rondon in, then it's going be a lot of "HOOF!" this season :-\

As for this:

No mate someone to partner Saido Berahino.

That is how I view the move. The only person that could partner Rondon, other than Saido, would be Ideye, and I think most would say that Ideye shouldn't be a front-line striker for us.

As Foster #1 says, it is guesswork. Berahino might leave, which would not be good. Or Pulis might want to play one up front, and Rondon would do well in that role.

We won't know about Saido until the window shuts, or maybe as soon as tomorrow. We won't know about Rondon until we see him play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 09, 2015, 02:51:29 PM
He is pretty quick, agree about the finishing though although he has improved a lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 09, 2015, 03:08:14 PM
That's just pure guess work.

How? That's how things are. The club are yet to receive any bids for berahinio. I very much doubt he will be sold this summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 09, 2015, 03:29:57 PM
How? That's how things are. The club are yet to receive any bids for berahinio. I very much doubt he will be sold this summer.

I agree! What people seem to be suggesting is that we've brought the guy to replace Saido. But we've already stated publicly we've not even had a bid in. So do people really think we've spent £13-15mill on a gamble?

Saido will be here till Jan I think. He might go then, having got 15 games and 8 goals or so.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 09, 2015, 08:38:25 PM
I've never bloody heard of him  ;D

Is he the long term replacement for Saido Berahino?
£15m (if it is that, which it probably isn't anywhere near) - Austin is available for that. Another Brown Ideye on our hands if he was that good he wouldn't be coming to us.

Not convinced with this, but hopeful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 08:45:46 PM
£15m (if it is that, which it probably isn't anywhere near) - Austin is available for that. Another Brown Ideye on our hands if he was that good he wouldn't be coming to us.

Not convinced with this, but hopeful.

Is Austin really available for that?

I don't think there is much chance of Austin coming here when you consider he is courted by numerous clubs in this division with resources greater than ours. I would imagine the longer the window drags on a bidding war will commence therefore enhancing the figures somewhat. Hasn't he asked for wages demands north of £60,000 a week?

I know nothing about Salomon Rondon but his record appears very, very good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 09, 2015, 09:00:14 PM
Signing of the summer if we pull it off. Has better than 1 in 2.5 games in la liga and has scored 13 in 22 games in the Europa league. Crazy stats!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 09, 2015, 09:02:09 PM
I see most seem pretty excited by the potential signing of Rondon. I know nothing about him myself. What makes him different to Ideye? They both have very similar experience and almost identical goalscoring records.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 09, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
I see most seem pretty excited by the potential signing of Rondon. I know nothing about him myself. What makes him different to Ideye? They both have very similar experience and almost identical goalscoring records.

Rondon was tearing up la liga when he was there and was probably one of the biggest prospects at the time. Gone to Russia which is a much better standard than Ukraine and has a one in 2 scoring record. Also regularly scoring in Europa and has a one in 3 scoring record at international level. Much better pedigree that ideye. Rondon also is constantly mentioned in the same bracket as bacca, benteke etc in reports of targets for top teams. Miles too good for us and if he plays to his potential then he will be one of the best players had in the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 09:33:57 PM
Will people get this straight that we cannot have Austin for the same price unless Austin wants to join us and we would have phoned his agent to find where we stood along with half of the clubs in the Division therefore I think you know what the answer was to that one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 09:39:40 PM
Brown quality was in abundance at villa park when he missed that sitter that changed the game.

This is wba fc not arsenal record signing have to hit the ground running.

When Henry was bought for for 11m from juve i think he was winger and wenger converted him into striker.

That's totally different from brown's situation.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mikehy on August 09, 2015, 09:40:17 PM
Austin a one.season wonder who I would not touch with a barge pole
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 09, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
Austin a one.season wonder who I would not touch with a barge pole
I agree.  Austin is overrated.  The only team he looked good against was err us!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 10:07:47 PM
Exciting times and a proud day for us all when he is unveiled tomorrow. Looking at striking options, Rondon, Saido, Lambert and one other (brown, victor or a new signing) will give us potentially one of he best strike forces in the league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 09, 2015, 10:34:21 PM
Willie Johnston never hit the ground running. As i recall his first season with us was pretty mediocre. I expect to see an improved Ideye this season providing we keep him.

As for Rondon, he too may take time to adjust,but i for one am excited about this signing.

We have too many fans today who have no patience with players and are quick to jump on their backs, even before they have actually kicked a ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 09, 2015, 10:54:10 PM
Exciting times and a proud day for us all when he is unveiled tomorrow. Looking at striking options, Rondon, Saido, Lambert and one other (brown, victor or a new signing) will give us potentially one of he best strike forces in the league.

Has the potential to be one of the best set of attacking options outside the top 6 defiantly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 09, 2015, 10:55:51 PM
Shirt Number 21

So a Club Legend can be replaced by a new one  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 10:56:04 PM
Good post. This is the hardest league in the world to play in and some take time to settle, others like Odemwingie got a goal in his first game and then hit the ground running.  At least we are filled with optimism, hopefully that will be the case come 1st Sept too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on August 09, 2015, 11:18:15 PM
How? That's how things are. The club are yet to receive any bids for berahinio. I very much doubt he will be sold this summer.
Agree, I don't agree with all this talk of Saido must be on his way out if we're signing this or that player. We all know in order to sell a player we must first have a bid on the table from a club and thus far there have not been any. So even IF the club wanted to sell him to balance the books it's not going to happen if no clubs show interest much less put a bid in and we know when or even if that bid does come if it is not the price JP wants it won't won't be excepted anyway!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 11:24:07 PM
Just hope all the chat and speculation doesn't have a negative impact on him. Hopefully he will be excited by his new strike partner and Lambert may have a word
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 10, 2015, 09:24:18 AM
Is this definitely a done deal? Pulis talking about Saido and Lambert in today's mail, without a single mention for Rondon? In fact there's not a mention anywhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 10, 2015, 09:36:25 AM
Is this definitely a done deal? Pulis talking about Saido and Lambert in today's mail, without a single mention for Rondon? In fact there's not a mention anywhere.

Everyone who I would normally trust with Baggies news says so. Remember that Pulis would be talking about the Man City game and Rondon will obviously not feature regardless so the focus will be on Lambert and Berahino who will.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 10, 2015, 10:01:57 AM
Everyone who I would normally trust with Baggies news says so. Remember that Pulis would be talking about the Man City game and Rondon will obviously not feature regardless so the focus will be on Lambert and Berahino who will.
Nice one, cheers.
Couldn't believe it when I heard on Saturday, thought it was a wind up, this bloke is top notch.
Bit of a risk, as he's never played in the Prem, but he looks made for it! Real coup if we get him in, shame he can't play tonight, might have ruffled their feathers!
Not sure how Lambert will feel though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 10, 2015, 10:02:06 AM
Has more bullsh?? prevailed?

If jp had spent his pr men would be hiring planes with banners to fly around the midlands to spread the news in order to sell last minute seasons tickets and match tickets for the city game and his "half time" welcome.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 10, 2015, 10:40:06 AM
Has more bullsh?? prevailed?

If jp had spent his pr men would be hiring planes with banners to fly around the midlands to spread the news in order to sell last minute seasons tickets and match tickets for the city game and his "half time" welcome.

getting a bit pathetic isn't it  >:(

It will be announced when it is finalised...  or not..

no conspiracy other than in a few deluded peoples heads
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 10, 2015, 10:42:43 AM
The deal is done is pretty much our player. He is a major big player in Venezuela and the club know this. They are waiting for Venezuela to be live to the news.  Announcement may still happen today wehave nothing to fear he is a baggie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 10, 2015, 10:44:36 AM
The deal is done is pretty much our player. He is a major big player in Venezuela and the club know this. They are waiting for Venezuela to be live to the news.  Announcement may still happen today wehave nothing to fear he is a baggie.

I am sure that is the reason...   ???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 10, 2015, 10:51:02 AM
I am sure that is the reason...   ???

It actually is that's what I'm told. I'm guessing the club is thinking of publicity overseas shirt sales etc.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: A5HB on August 10, 2015, 11:07:26 AM
It actually is that's what I'm told. I'm guessing the club is thinking of publicity overseas shirt sales etc.
I'd imagine it's more down the the time difference as opposed to an attempt to gain publicity. We need international clearance which presumably has to be granted by some form of authority in Venezuela. They are 5 hours behind so if you assuming they have normal working hours no one will be at work until about mid afternoon time here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 10, 2015, 11:12:30 AM


Maybe he wan't to tell his Mum first and she is in South America?  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 11:16:22 AM
Must admit I have been refreshing everything every 5 mins as I'm so excited about this potential signing!

From the sounds of the ITK posts it is a done deal and I do trust them, but I will be forever paranoid until I see him holding a shirt on the club website!

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2015, 11:17:36 AM
I wonder if they will announce it on the day of a big home game, it might prove to be a distraction for everyone that may have an adverse effect.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 11:22:29 AM
I wonder if they will announce it on the day of a big home game, it might prove to be a distraction for everyone that may have an adverse effect.

From what people have been saying, he's trained with the first team on Saturday, and I believe Friday too, so the players won't care. And I doubt it will distract the fans - heck, we'll probably be in a better mood because of it!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 11:23:50 AM
I wonder if they will announce it on the day of a big home game, it might prove to be a distraction for everyone that may have an adverse effect.

I tend to take the contrary view, announce this before kick off, get the crowd up and loud?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 10, 2015, 11:26:06 AM
Twitter/Mirror sport reporting he has signed a five year deal on around £50,000 a week and just waiting International clearance to rubber stamp the move.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-manchester-united-6225685

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie38 on August 10, 2015, 11:29:14 AM
Just to let you all know I've been told that there's a good chance they may introduce him to the crowd tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2015, 11:29:57 AM
Just to let you all know I've been told that there's a good chance they may introduce him to the crows tonight.


i hope they dont stone them :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 10, 2015, 11:31:53 AM
Twitter/Mirror sport reporting he has signed a five year deal on around £50,000 a week and just waiting International clearance to rubber stamp the move.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-news-live-manchester-united-6225685
Hoping it will go official, until then there is always a potential snag  :-[
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Savvas78 on August 10, 2015, 11:35:54 AM
Just to let you all know I've been told that there's a good chance they may introduce him to the crows tonight.

A big welcome to the newest recruit of the Night's Watch... Ser Salomon!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 12:00:41 PM
I, like a few others on here, am not exactly familiar with him. It is exciting though judging from his record at Malaga and in Russia and his general playing manner and style. I do really hope though that this doesn't mean reduced game time for Lambert as I think without doubt Lambert is the best natural finisher we have available to us. If Saido does stay, which personally I think he will until at least January, then I would hope that TP will find a way to play Saido just behind a front two of Lambert and Rondon. With two wingers too, I know this will leave us with a very attacking line up so it would need Yacob and Gardner/Morrison to play a very disciplined holding role. I'm a firm believer that the best form of defence is attack so I hope this is the way Pulis goes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: charliemike on August 10, 2015, 12:09:34 PM
Lambert , rondon and berahino with 2 wingers makes 5 offensive players . 2 in midfield makes 7 . 3 in defence I don't think so .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
I think its a case of Saido plus one of Lambert / Rondon at home

Away from home, any ones guess, likely dependant on oppo.

Vic / Ideye will have to get used to more warming the bench / cup games IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 12:31:26 PM
Lambert , rondon and berahino with 2 wingers makes 5 offensive players . 2 in midfield makes 7 . 3 in defence I don't think so .

Whatever the formation, with Rondon appearing to be and Lambert to a lesser extent both somewhat target men, Berahino would be more effective playing slightly off them. I'd hate to see Lambert missing out because his signing has given me more confidence than any other, including Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: easyrider on August 10, 2015, 12:34:33 PM
competition for places should make it very interesting i think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 10, 2015, 12:34:44 PM
It's done, just be patient. We'll all know by the game tonight so just concentrate on that for a few hours
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 10, 2015, 01:18:38 PM
Fair play to the itk if he signs, but to let a player train with his prospective new club for 2 days whilst waiting for international clearance just sounds wrong.

What if was injured badly, cannot imgaine pulis training methods being a gentle 5 side with him up front like fat ron, and int clearance is not forthcoming whose picking up his wages?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: monkey nuts on August 10, 2015, 01:28:41 PM
wouldn't have been to heavy a session sat and sun with game today anyway mate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on August 10, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
Whatever the formation, with Rondon appearing to be and Lambert to a lesser extent both somewhat target men, Berahino would be more effective playing slightly off them. I'd hate to see Lambert missing out because his signing has given me more confidence than any other, including Rondon.
Agreed well happy with the signing of Lambert a proven premiership player with the right sort of attitude.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on August 10, 2015, 01:39:26 PM
I think its a case of Saido plus one of Lambert / Rondon at home

Away from home, any ones guess, likely dependant on oppo.

Vic / Ideye will have to get used to more warming the bench / cup games IMO.

If Rondon does come in, I think Vic/Ideye will both be lucky to get on the bunch or a game in the cup
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 10, 2015, 02:27:40 PM
If Rondon does come in, I think Vic/Ideye will both be lucky to get on the bunch or a game in the cup
I think Vic's best chance is a loan move, just not sure his style is suited to the Championship physios.  ;)
Feel for Brown, been a consummate professional so would love him to come good, don't think he'll get the chance now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 02:41:32 PM
I think Vic's best chance is a loan move, just not sure his style is suited to the Championship physios.  ;)
Feel for Brown, been a consummate professional so would love him to come good, don't think he'll get the chance now.

True About Ideye, you cannot fault his effort and work rate. I think we should keep him as 4th choice and let Vic go.

He could learn from Lambert and Rondon I'm sure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 02:55:20 PM
True About Ideye, you cannot fault his effort and work rate. I think we should keep him as 4th choice and let Vic go.

He could learn from Lambert and Rondon I'm sure.

Good Call, Ideye can improve,  Can Vic??? I doubt it !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 10, 2015, 03:19:03 PM
I agree that between Ideye and Sick Note, Ideye is the one to keep.  The problem is that I think Anichebe is unsellable whereas Ideye would command a reasonable fee.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 03:20:22 PM
I agree that between Ideye and Sick Note, Ideye is the one to keep.  The problem is that I think Anichebe is unsellable whereas Ideye would command a reasonable fee.

Another good point, Vic could become the new Ishmael Miller
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 10, 2015, 03:23:48 PM
I'd like to see us keep Ideye over Big Vic, as I think he did actually show signs of improvement under Pulis, and with Big Vic's injury problems and the fact he seems to have the heart the size of a pea, I feel Ideye would be worth the place in the squad more. There also something likeable about Ideye, he seems to have a likeable personality and good attitude.

That said, if we have Saido, Rondon and Lambert, one of the above need to be moved on and I think there is more chance of us getting a decent fee for Ideye than Vic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 03:25:10 PM
doesn't bode well for the Nabi's either
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on August 10, 2015, 03:33:06 PM
Adil Nabi has scored a lot of goals in the U21s but didn't make our bench at end of last season, where Leko and Roberts were preferred. That would suggest there are doubts as to whether he's good enough???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on August 10, 2015, 03:46:20 PM
Have to admit i know nothing about Rondon but those who do seem to like him.

I would think with him being a big powerhouse by all accounts it would be Anichebe on his way as he will replace him for that type of player in the squad.

That said, as much as i like Ideye's effort and likeability, i think as a impact player for the last 30 x minutes (which is where Anichebe / Ideye will be used as 4th choice striker i would think) Anichebe changes games better than Ideye.

I bet both Anichebe and Ideye will be better for doing a Pulis preseason but they probably will not get the chance to show it due to Lambert and Rondon who are improvements, they probably both missed their chance to shine enough last season and Pulis has gone elsewhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 10, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
Adil Nabi has scored a lot of goals in the U21s but didn't make our bench at end of last season, where Leko and Roberts were preferred. That would suggest there are doubts as to whether he's good enough???
i read somewhere that Pulis believes the old method held players back too long and That they should be introduced earlier.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 10, 2015, 04:13:21 PM
annnd its done.

West Bromwich Albion @WBAFCofficial
NEW SIGNING: Albion confirm the club-record transfer of Venezuela international striker @salorondon23 #WBA #Rondon pic.twitter.com/zxhsuqBlWG
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2015, 04:15:15 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-brom-albion-club-record-venezuela-striker-salomon-rondon-2607821.aspx

WEST Bromwich Albion are delighted to confirm the club-record signing of Venezuela international Salomon Rondon from Zenit St Petersburg.

The 25-year-old striker has been signed on a four-year contract for a fee in the region of £12million.

Rondon arrived at Albion’s training ground late last week and breezed through his medical before becoming the club's fifth signing of the summer.
 
He has had to wait patiently for his international clearance but has finally been given the go-ahead to begin his career in the Barclays Premier League. He will be eligible for his first match at Watford on Saturday.

Rondon said: “I am very happy to be here.
 
"This is a new opportunity in my career. I can’t wait to be with the other players and to play.

"The club showed a lot of interest in me, that’s what is important for a player, what you take into account, and there are expectations of me."

Head Coach Tony Pulis is understandably excited at working with a player he believes has already made his mark – but still has much more to give.

“He’s got a fantastic goalscoring record in some of the top leagues in Europe and for his country,” says Pulis. “He’s 25 years of age and still to fulfil his full potential.

“We hope he hits the ground running of course but understand it might take him time to settle. I’m sure our fans will help him and get behind him.

“But we feel with age on his side and the prices English clubs are asking for their players, it’s a deal worth doing.

“He comes highly recommended. I have spoken to Manuel (Pellegrini) and AVB (Andre Villas-Boas), who have worked with him, and they were full of praise for the lad. We are looking forward to working with him.”

Pulis had already added James McClean, James Chester and Rickie Lambert before completing the season-long loan signing of Serge Gnabry from Arsenal.

But it is the arrival of Rondon, who has frequently been linked with a move to the Premier League, which will get The Hawthorns buzzing and represents a genuine transfer coup for the Baggies.

He has been a forward of growing reputation since his 2010 move to Malaga to begin a two-year spell which saw him impress in the Champions League, scoring 25 goals in 67 appearances.

That triggered a big-money move to Rubin Kazan and another two-year stay (13 goals in 36 appearances) before Zenit, Russia’s biggest club, snapped up his services. His 20 goals in 37 appearances last season kept his profile high.

Now he has the Premier League chance he has been waiting for.


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on August 10, 2015, 04:15:28 PM
Boom!! Welcome to the Albion!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 10, 2015, 04:16:39 PM
welcome rondon,boingbloodyboing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 04:19:24 PM
So happy about this!! COME ON YOU BAGGIES  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 10, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
Welcome

Salomon the black country mon,
Now lives in tipton
He scores goals for fun
he's our Salomon

I'll get me coot
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 10, 2015, 04:21:09 PM
Welcome ronny don  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on August 10, 2015, 04:23:49 PM
Opened a bottle to celebrate. Delighted!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on August 10, 2015, 04:30:48 PM
On the record alone it looks like a superb signing!

Chuffed

We love Rondon, Don. We love Rondon....
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 04:31:20 PM
Translated from the Club's Twitter, Rondon has also said:

. @salorondon23: "I feel very happy and proud to belong to this prestigious and historic Club." #WBA #Rondon 1/2

@salorondon23: "I'm here to help the team and I hope that the Club and its fans should feel proud of my work." #WBA #Rondon 2/2
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: orville on August 10, 2015, 04:31:40 PM
YESSSSSSSS welcome to the Baggies Salomon !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 10, 2015, 04:32:14 PM
Fantastic news - this should put us in the top half of the league this season!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 10, 2015, 04:36:52 PM
Oooh i say.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on August 10, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
excellent news

A real top signing for our club.

a few people with egg on their faces now the rumours have turned out to be true

Happy Days
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 10, 2015, 04:38:32 PM
For me this is the biggest signing we have pulled off in a long long time. Proper world class player and I still cant believe we got him but this a proper statement of intent from the club to try to move to the next level!

Well done Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dangerman on August 10, 2015, 04:41:01 PM
Welcome! Really excited about this signing.

Ideally now we need to move on Vic and we have four different options upfront.

If we could add phillips and a proper left back I'd be really happy with this summer's business.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on August 10, 2015, 04:42:11 PM
Now we have to go all out to support him, us the fans, and his team mates. Just give him the bloody ball where it matters! Fantastic signing, very well done toe everybody involved.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: nick_wba on August 10, 2015, 04:43:08 PM
In the 24 years I've been alive, this is by far the biggest signing we've made.

I agree with the previous poster who said this guy will be a household name nationwide in years to come. We will get upwards of 30/35mil from a top 4 club for this guy in 2 years time, that I have no doubt.

Just wow. You have to give all those involved a big pat on the back for pulling this one off!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 10, 2015, 04:43:45 PM
Fantastically well done to all at the club for pulling this deal off. Hopefully Salo will settle in well (at least cold weather shouldn't be much of an issue for him, given that he's been playing in Russia!) and will get the service he needs to score plenty of goals for us too. It's unusual for the club to reveal the transfer fee, so I suspect there aren't too many conditional clauses in the deal.

Many thanks too to the ITK posters who, despite some nay-sayers, kept us accurately informed about this deal once it became apparent that something was happening.

It's going to be fascinating to see Salo in action. If he does too well for us, of course, he'll most likely be gone elsewhere at the end of the season!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on August 10, 2015, 04:45:27 PM
114 goals in 289 club appearances, including 19 in European competitions (20 in 44 apps last season). Very good and consistent record.

13 in 41 for his country

Won russian premier league and russian cup.

According to Wikipedia
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on August 10, 2015, 04:46:27 PM
This is the sort of signing that should excite us all. A very definite statement of ambition from the club. Very pleased with this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AidantheBaggies on August 10, 2015, 04:56:02 PM
Lets see if he can make it a PL Level first.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on August 10, 2015, 04:57:26 PM
Lets see if he can make it a PL Level first.

Oops, there goes the piss, all over the chips.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 10, 2015, 04:58:26 PM
This is the sort of signing that should excite us all. A very definite statement of ambition from the club. Very pleased with this.

Yes indeed. Big well done to JP and TP with all four of the four signings in the last couple of weeks. Everything could have so easily fallen flat after the proposed takeover fell through but bringing in Lambert, Chester, Gnabry and now Rondon since then has been amazing, I think fair to say beyond what we could have wished for. Lets hope they all settle in well and gel early on, then we could be in for quite an exciting season!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 10, 2015, 04:58:47 PM
What a great signing, looking forward to see he scores 10+ goals for us this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 10, 2015, 04:59:40 PM
Surprised and delighted with this in equal measure. Obviously we don't know how he will get on in England but the guy has a strong track record. Russia is not an easy place to for him to play so I guess there is a bit of mental toughness there. One thing for sure that won't bother him in the slightest is the supposed physicality of the Premier League.

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on August 10, 2015, 05:02:20 PM
Must say on the face of it this looks a great bit of business, the latest of several this summer.

We've come a long way since we started the season relying on Anelka and ended up praying for a miracle from Thievy.

Well done to the club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 10, 2015, 05:10:43 PM
I'll reserve judgement as I know very little of him. However his pedigree is excellent so fair play to the club for pushing the boat out. Contrary to peoples belief there is a 'next level' for us if we show this kind of ambition.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on August 10, 2015, 05:18:08 PM
Very happy. Thanks to our ITK posters who take a lot of stick from certain posters, the vast majority of us trust what you say and appreciate you keeping us in the loop
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 10, 2015, 05:28:41 PM
Like some on here, when I first saw the name I though "who????" But given that the thread went to several pages in a matter of hours I knew that my fellow Baggies were excited and therefore we had the potential of landing a very special signing!

And now we have, great work by the club and cudos to the ITK posters for keeping us informed and Vanderleis Dad for checking with Yacob  8)

Roll him out tonight just before KO and raise the roof  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on August 10, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 10, 2015, 05:31:29 PM
Very excited by this signing! Hope people will be patient with the lad though as it can be hard to adjust. BOING BOING
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 10, 2015, 05:35:30 PM
Absolutely ridiculous signing, if he plays to his potential we will have one of the best strikers in the league!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GrGr on August 10, 2015, 05:37:19 PM
Excellent! Rondon and Gnabry add much needed talent to our squad. Now for a creative CM : ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 10, 2015, 05:39:04 PM
Nothing to add, except

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 10, 2015, 05:40:21 PM
Lets see if he can make it a PL Level first.

World Class players have come to this league and failed.

It's great to see the club being so proactive in addressing the need for genuine quality to be added to the squad. To improve the squad is necessary to make progress and Chester and Rondon are two proven players. The latter is a risk but one with a fantastic resume.

Irrespective of how he turns out, a la Ideye, its refreshing to see the club breaking transfer records and showing ambition financially.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 10, 2015, 05:41:20 PM
Could really be a landmark signing for us....very exciting option!
Providing it doesn't mean Saido departing, well done Albion!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 10, 2015, 05:42:31 PM
This is a truly exceptional signing, it really is. Never in a million years would I expect us to sign him. He's basically Zenit's best player behind Hulk which shows his quality.

I can't wait to see him play for us. Also he's only 25 so got plenty time to really establish himself and maybe make a big profit on him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 10, 2015, 06:00:44 PM
It will be easier to call him José as he answers to either Jose or Salomon

Yacob could help him with the language
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on August 10, 2015, 06:10:01 PM
Welcome to the Albion Salomon :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on August 10, 2015, 06:11:03 PM
Told you so gents  :D

Glad it's done as I knew it would be.

Boing Boing  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on August 10, 2015, 06:17:15 PM
Very exciting signing. We now have arguably the best strike force of any of the mid table clubs with the third highest English top flight scorer last season (Berahino), the top scorer in the Russian league last year (Rondon), an England international striker (Lambert), an £9 million Nigerian international (Ideye) and a proven impact sub in Anichebe.

Ill take that over any club outside of the Champions League chasers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on August 10, 2015, 06:32:53 PM
Really chuffed with this signing.  We need someone like this up front and he seems a class act.


Welcome to The Hawthorms Rondon.  Hopefully our new hero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on August 10, 2015, 06:42:49 PM
May I add, stunning price, not even the £15M which would have been a bargain
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 10, 2015, 06:46:07 PM
May I add, stunning price, not even the £15M which would have been a bargain

Especially when the likes of Jordan Rhodes are quoted for the same price.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Savvas78 on August 10, 2015, 07:05:56 PM
Welcome to the Baggies, big man!

I've only seen the guy play on Sky Sports during his time at Malaga, and he is quality.

Can't wait to see him unleashed!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbatillidie on August 10, 2015, 07:15:37 PM
Compare this to signing Connor Wickham for £9 million and we really have made a brilliant signing here. Yes he might take a while to adapt but in terms of getting value for money I don't think we could have hoped for any better.

After missing out on Ba and Gignac previously in the window this really makes up for it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 10, 2015, 07:35:40 PM
I'm over the moon with this signing.....hats off to all involved! Now let's see what you can do ⚽😆
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 10, 2015, 08:11:47 PM
well, you guys have added at least one new fan with this addition.

HELLO.

Venezuelan 29-year old living in the US and avid football fan. Obviously I've been following Rondon closely since he broke out in the late 2000's. As most of you already know he had a strong season with Zenit last year but new rules in that league made him the odd man out making him good deal for a team like West Brom.

You're getting a true #9 in Rondon, goal-scorer, always finding his way to the ball in the box. Not a dribbler/creator as someone(s) already pointed out. In my opinion a perfect fit for PL play and it shouldn't take him long to adapt at all. I'm trying to learn more about your squad in a hurry but to me he's best suited for a partner up front than being a lone striker. I see you're running some form of 4-4-2 today. I think he could play alongside either Lambert or Berahino and I'm intrigued as to how Pulis will tweak the lineup with his arrival
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 10, 2015, 08:23:02 PM
Just after 5:00am here got up to tune into the match and  although still bleary eyed am over the moon with the signing of Random.

Welcome to our club Salamon and well done to JP and TP.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on August 10, 2015, 09:12:36 PM
https://instagram.com/p/6NuJrSBwog/ (https://instagram.com/p/6NuJrSBwog/)

Great stuff!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 10, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
well, you guys have added at least one new fan with this addition.

HELLO.

Venezuelan 29-year old living in the US and avid football fan. Obviously I've been following Rondon closely since he broke out in the late 2000's. As most of you already know he had a strong season with Zenit last year but new rules in that league made him the odd man out making him good deal for a team like West Brom.

You're getting a true #9 in Rondon, goal-scorer, always finding his way to the ball in the box. Not a dribbler/creator as someone(s) already pointed out. In my opinion a perfect fit for PL play and it shouldn't take him long to adapt at all. I'm trying to learn more about your squad in a hurry but to me he's best suited for a partner up front than being a lone striker. I see you're running some form of 4-4-2 today. I think he could play alongside either Lambert or Berahino and I'm intrigued as to how Pulis will tweak the lineup with his arrival

Hi, welcome to the forum and thanks for your post.

I watched Rondon play for Malaga a few times (on TV) and was always impressed with him so looking forward to seeing what he can do for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 10, 2015, 10:54:00 PM
Can't wait to see what Rondon can bring to our team!
Welcome to our club!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 10, 2015, 11:16:31 PM
well, you guys have added at least one new fan with this addition.

HELLO.

Venezuelan 29-year old living in the US and avid football fan. Obviously I've been following Rondon closely since he broke out in the late 2000's. As most of you already know he had a strong season with Zenit last year but new rules in that league made him the odd man out making him good deal for a team like West Brom.

You're getting a true #9 in Rondon, goal-scorer, always finding his way to the ball in the box. Not a dribbler/creator as someone(s) already pointed out. In my opinion a perfect fit for PL play and it shouldn't take him long to adapt at all. I'm trying to learn more about your squad in a hurry but to me he's best suited for a partner up front than being a lone striker. I see you're running some form of 4-4-2 today. I think he could play alongside either Lambert or Berahino and I'm intrigued as to how Pulis will tweak the lineup with his arrival

Hi, welcome to the forum. My neighbours are Venezuelan so

I'm glad you think Rondon can partner either Lambert or Berahino, that gives us flexibility with our forward options. Hopefully he can use his strength to good effect.

What's he like bringing others into play? And does he need quality service or can he create goals out of nothing?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 11, 2015, 12:24:41 AM
Hi, welcome to the forum. My neighbours are Venezuelan so

I'm glad you think Rondon can partner either Lambert or Berahino, that gives us flexibility with our forward options. Hopefully he can use his strength to good effect.

What's he like bringing others into play? And does he need quality service or can he create goals out of nothing?

Thank you.

He's not selfish with the ball if that's what you mean, not the type of scorer who's obsessed with getting his numbers and definitely a team player. If he feels someone else has a better chance to score he'll definitely give it up as he seems to understand this may also result in a better scoring chance for him. He's a solid passer for someone at his position. I know you may not want to read this but he's definitely closer to being someone who is more successful from quality service. He can create on his own but I'd rate him above-average at his very best when it comes to that. Not the kind of #9 who will receive the ball with his back to the goal and turn around and make something out of nothing but definitely someone who knows his way inside the box and knows how to put himself in position to score. Find him and he will score. The freshest example out there is his goal against Colombia in Copa America, the ball got to him without much force but he was able to head it in with strength AND location. He also has a legit leg that can shoot it from outside the box (though no your free-kicker kind of lad).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 12:35:47 AM
Hmm ok thanks. I'd noticed he likes to shoot with power in a lot of the highlights I've seen of him.

I guess I was talking more about his build up play. What's he like outside of the box? Will he hold the ball up to allow midfielders to get close to him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 11, 2015, 01:11:11 AM
Hmm ok thanks. I'd noticed he likes to shoot with power in a lot of the highlights I've seen of him.

I guess I was talking more about his build up play. What's he like outside of the box? Will he hold the ball up to allow midfielders to get close to him?

Yes, more often than not from what I've seen. As I said, team player, understands the game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 11, 2015, 01:32:35 AM
Did they say what shirt number he will have?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 11, 2015, 01:39:41 AM
let's hope he's better than ideye, who we all got excited about this time last year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bakebaggie on August 11, 2015, 02:11:22 AM
Did they say what shirt number he will have?
I believe I read 21
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 02:42:04 AM
let's hope he's better than ideye, who we all got excited about this time last year.
this guys in a different league
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on August 11, 2015, 06:01:41 AM
Without an effective midfield to provide the ammo can we really expect a lot from him? Time will tell but yesterday was not promising. In my opinion we need aggression, creativity and some pace in the middle and hope TP is looking to boost in this area to support the strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 11, 2015, 07:35:55 AM
Welcome to the club Salomon.

Looks an absolute unit when he came on the pitch before the game.

Excited to see him and Gnabry in action.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: miggybaggy on August 11, 2015, 07:55:37 AM
Welcome to the club Salomon.

Looks an absolute unit when he came on the pitch before the game.

Excited to see him and Gnabry in action.

We're bloody desperate to see them after last nights showing!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 08:02:46 AM
quick change your mind Solomon :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: brummyroader on August 11, 2015, 11:49:26 AM
Anyone know what number he's taken can't see it anywhere?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 11, 2015, 11:50:21 AM
Anyone know what number he's taken can't see it anywhere?

On the previous page someone mentioned 21, but I haven't seen anything for definite
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: cornishbaggie on August 11, 2015, 03:57:02 PM
great article here on how we signed him...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/11/how-west-brom-secured-salomon-rondon-thanks-to-vladimir-putins-protectionism
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on August 11, 2015, 04:11:59 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spyro on August 11, 2015, 04:15:01 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.
we have got a good midfield  sessegnon behind the striker and mcmanaman is a big part of that,but pulis doesnt seem to rate either of them
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GrGr on August 11, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.

Pulis is his own worst enemy at times. The challenge for him this season is to grow and get rid of some of his hobby horses.

With firepower like Berahino and hopefully Rondon (and Lambert) this team needs to find a way to support them. A flat midfield four lacking creativity feels pretty pointless from that perspective. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 04:27:56 PM
Unless we improve the midfield drastically then having Messi up front would make no difference.


agreed the supply chain needs to be of some standard.Interesting to see how Berahino would fair in a better team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 11, 2015, 04:55:39 PM
This guy is going to be very good he is a double digit scorer in every league he has played.Cant wait this one is special he cant be too unfit he did score on Columbia in Copa last month.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2015, 05:38:36 PM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on August 11, 2015, 05:46:02 PM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before

He needs some of Irvine's top up sessions.  8)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on August 11, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before

Christ, under Big Vic's influence already
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: JoseVen on August 11, 2015, 07:06:40 PM

Utilice bastante Google Translator para leerlos jejeje, espero lo utilicen ustedes ahora.

Para empezar los veo bastante contentos con la llegada de Salomón y no es para menos, muchos venezolanos veíamos a Salomón fichando por un equipo grande o de media tabla que luchara como mínimo por Europa League.

Pero a los jugadores venezolanos los siguen viendo desde el pasaporte, Enner Valencia de su país pasó a México donde hizo 8 goles y de ahí al West Ham, Salomón para llegar a West Brom hizo goles en la 2da de España, en la 1ra De España, en el Rubin Kazan, en el Zenit, en Europa League, en Champions League y nos ponemos felices por llegar a los Albions.

Eso es así.

Pero es un jugador que les rendirá mucho. Es un gran definidor, retiene el balón, tiene fortaleza física, abre espacios, irá bien por arriba y por bajo.

Si le lanzan balones perfecto, sino como única punta y a balonazos se las arreglará, esta hecho para eso.

Lastima Pulis sea un poco conservador.

Igual les digo: Venezuela entera esta delirando con este paso de Salomon y los veremos todos los fines de semana.

Vamos Albions...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 11, 2015, 07:21:35 PM
Use enough Google Translator to read lol, I hope you use now.

For starters I see quite happy with the arrival of Solomon is no wonder, many Venezuelans saw Solomon signed for a large or mid-table team that fought Europa League at least.

But Venezuelans follow players watching from the passport of their country Enner Valencia went to Mexico where he made 8 goals and then to West Ham, Solomon to reach West Brom made goals in the 2nd of Spain, in the 1st From Spain , Rubin Kazan, Zenit, Europe League, Champions League and we get happy Albions reach.

That's how it is.

But he is a player that will yield them a lot. It is a great finisher, holds the ball, have physical strength, open spaces, go well above and under.

If we throw perfect balls, but as single point and balonazos will manage, they are made for that.

Pulis hurts a little conservative.

Like I say, this whole Venezuela delirious with this step of Salomon and see all weekends.

Let Albions ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on August 11, 2015, 07:31:57 PM
Pulis hurts a little conservative.

He's got Jeffrey Archer chained up in a dungeon?  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 12, 2015, 05:55:03 AM

BEHIND-THE-SCENES GALLERY: Rondon's arrival at WBA

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/gallery-pictures-salomon-rondon-west-brom-albion-venezuela-2611030.aspx
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 12, 2015, 06:49:54 AM
a doubt for Saturday, lack of match fitness.Now where have i heard that one before

I wondered how long we would have to wait before we heard that little gem
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 12, 2015, 07:29:28 AM
Venezuela flags for his first home game to welcome him?!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2015, 08:14:09 AM
Venezuela flags for his first home game to welcome him?!


i smell an end of season theme :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 09:22:31 AM
this guys in a different league

Based on what?
Before joining us Ideye had a goal to games ratio of 2.3. Rondon's is 2.5 so Ideye would appear to be the (slightly) better striker.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 12, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
Must say I am very eager to see how this guy gets on, the sounds are all positive and I am really looking forward to seeing him in action.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 12, 2015, 09:45:27 AM

i smell an end of season theme :)
Have to have all our players' nations flags.
Yacob, Brunt, Morrison are all different.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on August 12, 2015, 09:49:50 AM
I think that we just need to manage our expectations here. Like everyone else I hope and anticipate that he will fit into the side and terrorise defences. Liverpool were seriously looking at this guy before opting for benteke. But it is going to take time for him to adjust to the PL and it may be that he doesn't hit the ground running. He is clearly well thought of and we appear to have made a star signing, but I remember our enthusiasm when we signed Bobby last year.
I have no doubt he will do well for us, but to score you need the service and we are not good at that to be honest.
A lot of pressure is on the lad and I really hope he starts banging them in for fun, but don't be surprised if he doesn't.
Venezuelan flags would be a great idea!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 12:22:52 PM
Based on what?
Before joining us Ideye had a goal to games ratio of 2.3. Rondon's is 2.5 so Ideye would appear to be the (slightly) better striker.

I'd say La Liga (Malaga) is a higher standard than Ligue 1 (Sochaux-Montbeliard), and the Russian League is better quality than the Ukranian league.

This is a player who, when he was 20 (2010/11) scored against Sevilla, Villareal, Atletico Madrid and two against Valencia. Those are a some good quality teams. The year after he scored against Barcelona in two different matches.

For the sake of fairness, I looked at the 2010/11 season for Brown Ideye, and he scored against the likes of PSG, Lyon and Marseille. So what do I know!

I can understand people's scepticism, especially if you've never heard of the bloke before. On the flip side, I hope those who are expecting great things from him give him enough time to bed in and settle at the club, and don't get annoyed if he doesn't score on his debut.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2015, 12:45:05 PM
I'd say La Liga (Malaga) is a higher standard than Ligue 1 (Sochaux-Montbeliard), and the Russian League is better quality than the Ukranian league.

This is a player who, when he was 20 (2010/11) scored against Sevilla, Villareal, Atletico Madrid and two against Valencia. Those are a some good quality teams. The year after he scored against Barcelona in two different matches.

For the sake of fairness, I looked at the 2010/11 season for Brown Ideye, and he scored against the likes of PSG, Lyon and Marseille. So what do I know!

I can understand people's scepticism, especially if you've never heard of the bloke before. On the flip side, I hope those who are expecting great things from him give him enough time to bed in and settle at the club, and don't get annoyed if he doesn't score on his debut.

 I hate doing this, because video compilations are sooooo crap, but here goes,
Based on what I have seen in videos he's an in the box poacher type, not a back to goal, spin and run man (like Vic) which will mean we need to be getting balls in into the box, in front of him, to date we have failed to do that for Ideye.
Hopefully the addition of McClean / McManaman and Gnabry will change this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 12:47:25 PM
I hate doing this, because video compilations are sooooo crap, but here goes,
Based on what I have seen in videos he's an in the box poacher type, not a back to goal, spin and run man (like Vic) which will mean we need to be getting balls in into the box, in front of him, to date we have failed to do that for Ideye.
Hopefully the addition of McClean / McManaman and Gnabry will change this.

Based purely on the Man City game, Lambert looks a very good player with the ball at his feet, so I wouldn't have any problems with Rondon in as a No.9 and Lambert as a no. 10!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 01:17:52 PM
I'd say La Liga (Malaga) is a higher standard than Ligue 1 (Sochaux-Montbeliard), and the Russian League is better quality than the Ukranian league.

This is a player who, when he was 20 (2010/11) scored against Sevilla, Villareal, Atletico Madrid and two against Valencia. Those are a some good quality teams. The year after he scored against Barcelona in two different matches.

For the sake of fairness, I looked at the 2010/11 season for Brown Ideye, and he scored against the likes of PSG, Lyon and Marseille. So what do I know!

I can understand people's scepticism, especially if you've never heard of the bloke before. On the flip side, I hope those who are expecting great things from him give him enough time to bed in and settle at the club, and don't get annoyed if he doesn't score on his debut.

To be honest I'd never heard of Odemwingie, so I'm hoping that given time Rondon will be another  gem!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mini gaardsoe on August 12, 2015, 01:39:13 PM
Will wear no.33
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 12, 2015, 02:03:42 PM
People are comparing Rondon and Ideye. I'm guessing when fit, Rondon will start most games. If Ideye had started most games what would his goal return had been? Probably pretty good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 12, 2015, 02:30:59 PM
People are comparing Rondon and Ideye. I'm guessing when fit, Rondon will start most games. If Ideye had started most games what would his goal return had been? Probably pretty good.
I think both Ideye and Rondon are the kind of players who are reliant on the service they're provided with. Our largely negative tactics last year meant that Ideye rarely got the kind of service he needs. Whether Rondon will be better blessed this season remains to be seen. Sadly, Pulis's latest comments suggest that Ideye won't be around to also benefit from this (should it improve).

Although they mean little, I still maintain that Ideye looks better in his Youtube compilation clips than Rondon does in his. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Ideye is a fine player whom we've been unable to play to the strengths of, a la Valero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2015, 02:34:39 PM
I think both Ideye and Rondon are the kind of players who are reliant on the service they're provided with. Our largely negative tactics last year meant that Ideye rarely got the kind of service he needs. Whether Rondon will be better blessed this season remains to be seen. Sadly, Pulis's latest comments suggest that Ideye won't be around to also benefit from this (should it improve).

Although they mean little, I still maintain that Ideye looks better in his Youtube compilation clips than Rondon does in his. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Ideye is a fine player whom we've been unable to play to the strengths of, a la Valero.

I agree about Ideye, I can't substantiate this, but I reckon his goals/mins played ratio last season was actually decent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 02:59:37 PM
I agree about Ideye, I can't substantiate this, but I reckon his goals/mins played ratio last season was actually decent.

Using transfermarkt for their stats, Ideye scored 4 goals in the league in 1300 minutes, which is about 1 goal every 325 minutes, which is 3.6 games. By way of a comparison, Berahino got a goal every 208 minutes, which is every 2.3 games. Anichebe got a goal every 345 minutes, which is 3.8 games.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 12, 2015, 03:03:33 PM
Using transfermarkt for their stats, Ideye scored 4 goals in the league in 1300 minutes, which is about 1 goal every 325 minutes, which is 3.6 games. By way of a comparison, Berahino got a goal every 208 minutes, which is every 2.3 games. Anichebe got a goal every 345 minutes, which is 3.8 games.

thanks for that,

So playing sporadically in a style un-suited to him, its not too bad really.
Not good, but not too bad.
I would like us to keep him as a squad player and lose Vic TBH, I think Vic's demeanor and susceptibility to "injuries" must be poor for morale overall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 12, 2015, 03:11:45 PM
thanks for that,

So playing sporadically in a style un-suited to him, its not too bad really.
Not good, but not too bad.
I would like us to keep him as a squad player and lose Vic TBH, I think Vic's demeanor and susceptibility to "injuries" must be poor for morale overall.

Couldn't agree more, would much rather keep Ideye than Anichebe, that way we'd have 2 big and 2 smaller players to mix and match.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 12, 2015, 03:12:55 PM
Couldn't agree more, would much rather keep Ideye than Anichebe, that way we'd have 2 big and 2 smaller players to mix and match.

Completely agree. Vic is more 'surplus' than Ideye is. If we lost Berahino to injury, then Ideye would be a more natural replacement to keep the team balanced.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2015, 03:34:04 PM
Tim Vickery south american sports reporter given his thumbs up on the deal
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 12, 2015, 04:09:49 PM
Tim Vickery south american sports reporter given his thumbs up on the deal
Isn't that the guy who said that Yacob wouldn't make it here?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 12, 2015, 06:53:08 PM
Isn't that the guy who said that Yacob wouldn't make it here?

Yeah it is. He's guessing as much as us. He's only the South American football expert. Rondon has been playing in Russia. He'll have only seen him in a handful of international appearances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on August 13, 2015, 08:04:33 PM
From the Venezuelan paper "El Universal" (curtesy of Google Translate)

http://www.eluniversal.com/opinion/150813/lord-salomon-rondon

Lord Salomon Rondon

Each goal from Salomon Rondon multiply its echo. Make no mistake: the arrival in England may be extraordinary for Catia born striker.

Some pouting with moving Rondon, because the front left Caracas Zenit St Petersburg, Russian champion and a regular competitor in the European Champions League, to join the West Bromwich Albion, a team with a long history (137 years), but today is much more concerned to avoid relegation to English football than seeking quotas in international tournaments. However, staying in this simple contrast is shortsighted. You will play in the Premier League, the most watched league in the world, a goal that was made public on several occasions, the player himself. Why not see the West Brom as a definitive springboard for him?

The Venezuelan, 25 years old, seems to be at the gates of his fullness as a player and it's time to see how far they can go. Where can you have greater long-term significance? In England or Russia? The answer is obvious. The Premier League has a global audience, according to the BBC, higher than the Spanish league, with all the might of Barcelona and Real Madrid, the Italian Serie A and German Bundesliga together. Their income, according to annual reports by consultancy Deloitte, doubling and tripling the other major European championships.

Let's face it: watch a game of the Russian Premier League obliged, at least from this side of the planet, looking for the green signal paths on the web by streamming and endure horrific incomprehensible transmissions speakers. Rondon enjoyed the moment of maximum exposure Zenit in the Champions League, but also spent long months away from the main centers of international football. Not so with West Brom. A goal in a match against clubs like Chelsea, Manchester United, Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool have an exponentially greater than any we have done in Russia resonance. No longer you have the Champions League, but the Premiership is a growth opportunity.

Russia also threatened to become a golden cage. The economic strength exhibited by large Russian clubs, including Zenit is, turns them into buyers, not sellers, and this hindered any transfer. The European press published notes on the interest from teams like Sevilla have Rondón, but the price of the transfer backed down. The whole of St. Petersburg paid 18 million euros for his transfer from Rubin Kazan and claimed that those reports sought to sell it for more.

Circumstances changed the landscape and dismantled the shielding on the Venezuelan. A new regulation in Russia, which limits the maximum six foreigners can align each team in each match, Rondon had claimed a victim. Missing from the starting XI André Villas-Boas at Zenit, the output was inevitable and the price happened to be negotiable. It appeared the West Bromwich, tabled 12 million pounds (17 million euros) and took him.

Nor it was cheaper, despite the change in circumstances. It is the most expensive signing you paid West Bromwich and this leads to an extra point analysis: Rondón is no one else.

A Rondon will give you command on the computer, because nobody does a record signing for him on the bench. Now up to him to answer. Since arriving in Europe in 2008, the former Aragua FC has scored 91 goals in 234 appearances commitments to UD Las Palmas, Malaga, Rubin Kazan and Zenit, adding all competitions. If you keep these figures, the experience at West Bromwich can be the final push it needs to assume ever greater challenges.

We will not see a James Rodriguez, a Luis Suarez Arturo Vidal or a Venezuelan passport by spontaneous generation, from one day to another, playing for Real Madrid in Barcelona or Juventus. Here it is evolving and the Premier League is an evolutionary leap for Salomon Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 13, 2015, 10:23:36 PM
thanks for that,

So playing sporadically in a style un-suited to him, its not too bad really.
Not good, but not too bad.
I would like us to keep him as a squad player and lose Vic TBH, I think Vic's demeanor and susceptibility to "injuries" must be poor for morale overall.
Exactly Vic will never make it at this level.Mate of mine a Toffee he said Irvine and Vic are no good as Manager/Head Coach and player in the Prem.He was glad to see the back of Vic.Sorry but that is what he said.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Joust on August 14, 2015, 07:42:21 PM
Can't wait to see Ronny steaming through premier league defences. What a great signing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 14, 2015, 10:45:00 PM
Rondon may not have international clearance from Russian FA in time for tomorrow. Shame if he doesn't get it, would have liked to see him come of the bench at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/11804465/Stoke-and-West-Broms-club-record-signings-set-to-be-denied-their-debuts-because-of-administrative-hitches.html
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on August 14, 2015, 11:10:28 PM
Rondon may not have international clearance from Russian FA in time for tomorrow. Shame if he doesn't get it, would have liked to see him come of the bench at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/11804465/Stoke-and-West-Broms-club-record-signings-set-to-be-denied-their-debuts-because-of-administrative-hitches.html

so absurd  :'(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Sessegod on August 15, 2015, 09:43:39 AM
Rondon may not have international clearance from Russian FA in time for tomorrow. Shame if he doesn't get it, would have liked to see him come of the bench at least.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/stoke-city/11804465/Stoke-and-West-Broms-club-record-signings-set-to-be-denied-their-debuts-because-of-administrative-hitches.html

BBC say he needs a late fitness test, nothing about international clearance
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 15, 2015, 10:04:31 AM
We can't do anything about it from our side but its a joke if the Russian FA have not signed the necessary paperwork for a deal that was completed on Monday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on August 15, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
We can't do anything about it from our side but its a joke if the Russian FA have not signed the necessary paperwork for a deal that was completed on Monday.

Yeah cheers Russia. Bet this wouldn't happen to bigger sides around the world. Bit of a joke when he's our record signing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: addy on August 15, 2015, 12:42:53 PM
West Bromwich Albion @WBAFCofficial
Great news Baggies fans, @salorondon23 international clearance has been confirmed today and he is available for selection at Watford #WBA

Hype!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionFan on August 15, 2015, 12:53:14 PM
Great news, thanks for the update addy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on August 15, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
I would have been crafty and not confirmed the clearance until they handed in the team sheet  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 16, 2015, 12:27:16 PM
If I wanted to be very harsh, I'd say he should have squared the ball to Lambert when he fired over. Behrami had dropped a couple of yards so Lambery would have had time to take a touch and finish. Looked good though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 16, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
If I wanted to be very harsh, I'd say he should have squared the ball to Lambert when he fired over. Behrami had dropped a couple of yards so Lambery would have had time to take a touch and finish. Looked good though.

Lambert or indeed anyone else took so long to get any where near him I wouldn't have passed either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 16, 2015, 01:06:45 PM
Lambert or indeed anyone else took so long to get any where near him I wouldn't have passed either.

You'd hope our record signing isn't that petty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2015, 06:22:31 PM
I like the look of him - bullied Zouma today I thought. He seems to be a striker that likes playing into feet rather someone who runs behind. He does look like someone who would be suited to playing with a partner, a partner who can run behind opposition back fours - unfortunately, the one player we have capable of that we're about to sell.

Great assist for him too  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 23, 2015, 06:32:10 PM
I like the look of him - bullied Zouma today I thought. He seems to be a striker that likes playing into feet rather someone who runs behind. He does look like someone who would be suited to playing with a partner, a partner who can run behind opposition back fours - unfortunately, the one player we have capable of that we're about to sell.

Great assist for him too  :D

Loved the assist!

Managed to get JT sent off by running in behind - no express pace but he's so strong he can hold off defenders. A shame we didn't create any proper chances for him though.

I think the longer he stays in the team, the better really. Looked a handful against three very good centre halves.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 23, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
Loved his gutsy performance for us today! Caused all sorts of problems for Chelsea to deal with and looks strong, I think this chap has the potential to work in the prem for us! Let's hope he gets better👍🏻
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 23, 2015, 06:46:35 PM
Rondon (and Shaquiri of Stoke) labelled world class by a talksh**e reporter earlier.

He looks the part to me. Wish he could have taken and scored the penalty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 23, 2015, 06:51:45 PM
Considering there were questions raised about his match fitness when he signed, he covered a lot of ground today. He was back defending every corner and got back up front quickly also. Think he's the type who's quicker than he looks and certainly a whole lot more mobile than Vic and Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2015, 06:55:42 PM
Looked a very exciting prospect today - worth the admission money alone to see him do Terry and get his long awaited and deserved sending off against us.

Not sure if he will be able to get the 'Saido' goal quota we need so will require and quick nippy 'No. 10' to play off him and share the goal burden.

Can't see him and any of our strikers, apart from Saido, working as a partnership.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on August 23, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
He works very hard, keep chasing all the time and he has made Terry sent off :P

I couldn't ask for more, as today is his first time to start.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 23, 2015, 07:05:20 PM
And he got himself an assist on home debut, via a bicycle kick!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: GrGr on August 23, 2015, 07:12:10 PM
Looked a very exciting prospect today - worth the admission money alone to see him do Terry and get his long awaited and deserved sending off against us.

Not sure if he will be able to get the 'Saido' goal quota we need so will require and quick nippy 'No. 10' to play off him and share the goal burden.

Can't see him and any of our strikers, apart from Saido, working as a partnership.

You mean a nippy goal scorer like Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 23, 2015, 08:23:40 PM
Very impressive performance from him. I don't know if he'll be given another chance but does no one else think Ideye with his movement would make a good strike partner for him?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 23, 2015, 08:28:48 PM
I don't know if he'll be given another chance but does no one else think Ideye with his movement would make a good strike partner for him?
I think that's not a bad shout at all, but we're obviously intent on shipping out Ideye sadly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on August 23, 2015, 08:38:50 PM
You mean a nippy goal scorer like Saido.

Exactly !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on August 23, 2015, 08:42:03 PM
Thought he looked the part today, long may it continue.
I did notice once or twice he was at loggerheads with Pulis. Pulis was waving him forward when we didn't have the ball and he was sort of intimating that he wanted to get back into midfield to look for it, Pulis kept sending him away.
Seems like a very willing worker. I like the look of him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 23, 2015, 10:22:47 PM
This is our Costa. Play him as the lone striker in a 4-2-3-1 get the 3 behind him up and around the opposition area and they will score even if he doesn't. Don't think in terms of strike partnerships that is a virtually dead concept
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spencer Baggie on August 23, 2015, 11:03:24 PM
Thought we looked a much more balanced side with him up top.

Somebody powerful coming through midfield t support him (Phillips from QPR) would be ideal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on August 24, 2015, 08:02:16 AM
Looked a right handful throughout, and will cause defenders more than enough problems.

I felt he gave Zouma a real tough time yesterday, so fingers crossed he continues in the same way, and can look to get off the mark as soon as.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2015, 08:03:10 AM
feed the ron and he will score
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ranvir wba90 on August 24, 2015, 08:43:50 AM
was really impressed with him never stopped running. Better service in the final third and he can get 10 plus goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on August 24, 2015, 08:51:26 AM
Thought we looked a much more balanced side with him up top.

Somebody powerful coming through midfield t support him (Phillips from QPR) would be ideal.

Agree entirely Rondon up top with Matt Phillips as a no 10 would be a great combination. Sign him up TP
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on August 24, 2015, 09:58:20 AM
feed the ron and he will score

Feed him in the "right area" to please i/e in there half.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2015, 10:17:09 AM
Good quality player from the looks of it. Big & strong going to be a handful for some defenders.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Nathan on August 24, 2015, 10:35:21 AM
Good quality player from the looks of it. Big & strong going to be a handful for some defenders.

Yes, he looks a handful and just as importantly in a Tony Pulis side, I think he is the type of player to win us a lot of 'clever' free kicks, something which Alan Shearer was the master of during his career.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: JoseVen on August 24, 2015, 02:16:20 PM

Salomon excellent match, winning over almost everything, shows faults, pivots, you just need to put good balls, their midfielders are terrible.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on August 24, 2015, 02:28:33 PM
Played very well I thought, shows good potential. I was watching him off the ball and he was making space and asking for the ball on countless occasions. I hope he plays tomorrow night as a few goals will do him the world of good...... think we got ourselves a good 'un there...thanks Vladimir!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on August 24, 2015, 02:38:41 PM
good performance, first time i have Zouma struggle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2015, 06:32:43 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on August 26, 2015, 06:40:09 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM
you sound surprised glyn!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on August 26, 2015, 06:51:44 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM

Why! Give the guy a chance! Recently moved to this country and needs time to settle!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 26, 2015, 06:55:39 PM
did he take one of the pens last night.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on August 26, 2015, 06:57:46 PM
He got into a lot of good positions last night. Just needed to take one of them. Definitely not going to be a flop, looks quality imo
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on August 26, 2015, 08:31:49 PM
did he take one of the pens last night.

No, but neither did Dawson, who took them for England U21s.

He probably had our best chances (Long range pot shots not withstanding), and I still don't know how he didn't put his header in.

I was encouraged by his work rate and movement - just a shame his left foot isn't up to much, but at least he isn't afriad to use it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on August 26, 2015, 09:00:53 PM
His movement is brilliant to watch, i have no concerns that he won't score this year. Just hope the others can chip in!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on August 26, 2015, 09:46:26 PM
someone having a pop at him on WM

Bloke was an idiot.He reckoned it was Terry Burtons fault we signed him and was surprised when he was told that Terry Burton had been sacked months ago
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on August 26, 2015, 09:56:25 PM
Bloke was an idiot.He reckoned it was Terry Burtons fault we signed him and was surprised when he was told that Terry Burton had been sacked months ago
Was it a "Gentleman" called Lee from Halesowen?  :D :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on August 29, 2015, 05:46:46 PM
Thought he did well today, not just with the goal but you can clearly see he has a very good work rate and never stopped running. I'd have given either him or Dawson man of the match.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on August 29, 2015, 05:57:50 PM
Took the goal well good to get that monkey off his back think he will do well for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: easyrider on August 29, 2015, 07:19:15 PM
nice goal salomon 19 more please :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on August 29, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
Its you Ron Don Don it's your Ron Don grabbed us a win that otherwise we wouldn't of got, Sounds simple but we are pants going forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on August 29, 2015, 08:13:27 PM
First goal congrats lad many more please
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 29, 2015, 08:45:33 PM
If i don't go to an away game i listen to radio wum to it.

And it great this season as they've got bomber as co-comm. and he liked rondon movement to lose  his marker.

PS does anyone know why bomber left tom ross's station?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 29, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
If i don't go to an away game i listen to radio wum to it.

And it great this season as they've got bomber as co-comm. and he liked rondon movement to lose  his marker.

PS does anyone know why bomber left tom ross's station?

Don't think they are doing games this year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on August 30, 2015, 07:39:53 PM
Very nice goal from him yesterday. Was an excellent header.

Think this guy has shown more talent that Ideye did all last season, his movement is fantastic and he finds goalscoring positions very easily. Off the mark now so i reckon he'll get at least 15.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on August 30, 2015, 08:06:36 PM
Very nice goal from him yesterday. Was an excellent header.

Think this guy has shown more talent that Ideye did all last season, his movement is fantastic and he finds goalscoring positions very easily. Off the mark now so i reckon he'll get at least 15.
Could get 20+ in a good attacking side, maybe 10 - 12 for us would be a good return.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on August 30, 2015, 08:40:05 PM
That was a brilliant header from ronny, and didn't get the credit it deserved on motd.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mrmojorisin on August 30, 2015, 09:48:14 PM
That was a brilliant header from ronny, and didn't get the credit it deserved on motd.
It was superbly placed
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 30, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
Could get 20+ in a good attacking side, maybe 10 - 12 for us would be a good return.
Id say 8-10 is a good season. Not because of the player, but because A) I don't think he'll get that many good chances and if we go ahead we'll sit on that lead and B) the major threat is at set pieces, so goals will be spread throughout the team and I only expect 30-35 goals this season from the team. That said, all our goals so far are from open play. So what do I know!!  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2015, 02:30:16 PM
The good thing about him is that he is looking to get on the end of whatever we do create. He'll miss chances as he did Tuesday night but he'll also notch up a decent tally. I watched him on SNF in the build up to the header he put just over from Morrison's cross....he made 3 different runs to try to provide an option while some square passing was going on - the 3rd of those he got in front of his man and met the cross. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on October 08, 2015, 02:22:56 AM
I like the bloke, much better than brown  but, i don't think he'll get even 10 goals as he looks knackered after 70 minutes.

I know we all like a grafter upfront but when you think about it it is often that workrate causes the opposition problems by way of an error.

And even if there is Ron is isolated and it all fizzles out.

Imo he should conserve his energy and choose when to harrass the oppo defence as he's a big unit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on October 08, 2015, 08:00:25 AM
I like the bloke, much better than brown  but, i don't think he'll get even 10 goals as he looks knackered after 70 minutes.

I know we all like a grafter upfront but when you think about it it is often that workrate causes the opposition problems by way of an error.

And even if there is Ron is isolated and it all fizzles out.

Imo he should conserve his energy and choose when to harrass the oppo defence as he's a big unit.

You have just said hes a grafter and his workrate causes opposition problems and causes them to make errors.

So surely if he stops the workrate, the defence wont make errors and he will get less chances than he does now (which isnt alot)?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on October 08, 2015, 08:44:37 AM
He runs into channels and spaces looking for balls.

If he's lucky he gets about 2 or 3 a game to his feet, at which point he usually doesn't have a midfielder within 20 metres of him. As a result he gets frustrated, and runs around even more in the hope of creating a bigger space where he may actually get the ball in a threatening area.

As these balls aren't forthcoming, he ends up just running around. The alternative is he stands there, and he gets moaned at for not trying. It's a lose lose scenario.

The other issue is his confidence is now shot, and if he does get chances, it will take a couple before he hits the net.

Finally, his touch looks poor because he doesn't get enough of the ball during the game. You can train all you like but nothing is like the intensity of a real game - until he receives more of the ball and gets confident on it during games, the cycle will continue.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sing on our own on October 08, 2015, 08:47:01 AM
You can see he's stopped making the runs he used to because he knows it's pointless, look at the Rondon from the Chelsea game to now....Pulis anti-football has destroyed him in weeks, it wouldn't matter if Aguero played for us no supply means no goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on October 08, 2015, 09:06:50 AM
If you dont get out your own half how can you supply the front man?

The bloke works his balls off for very little reward.

Very contradicting post with very little proof.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on October 08, 2015, 10:35:27 AM
He would do well in a decent side who get balls into the box or play through the opposing defence.
He will not score many in our set up, but then I'm not sure who would. As has been said, Aguero would struggle with the service he would get from us.
We won't know how good he is until he goes somewhere else, or Pulis does.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 10:42:35 AM
Topic merged.
Please try not to start another thread on the same topic thaks guys.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 08, 2015, 10:58:20 AM
Another player being hung out to dry by Pulis.

Was a real coup getting him here, he must think what the hell have I done coming here, we won't see the best out of him unless Pulis goes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on October 08, 2015, 11:06:45 AM
Another player being hung out to dry by Pulis.

Was a real coup getting him here, he must think what the hell have I done coming here, we won't see the best out of him unless Pulis goes.
Or we get some supply to him as we did in the Villa game , I'm not convinced he's fully fit since he joined either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on October 08, 2015, 11:32:51 AM
Strikers need support...they need chances created for them...he's getting neither! All he is getting at present is balls being lamped at him from all angles, with no players around him to feed off!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on October 08, 2015, 11:35:27 AM
He'll probably be the biggest waste of talent for us since Valero. Both underappreciated due to their roles in the systems they have respectedly been asked to play in. Like others have said, you could play the likes of Lewandowski the way we're playing lately and he'd struggle to look like a decent player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on October 08, 2015, 12:39:14 PM
My post was saying he should choose when to harrass the oppo player.

The point being how often do you see an oppo goalie make such bad mistake because of our striker's workrate it leads to a goal?

Very, very rarely.

He looks knackered imo after 70 minutes and should choose his harrassing of oppo players more carefully.

I disagree about his first touch,  i think it's very good and his link play is good too as well as his abilily to win balls in the air.

Against vile he had numerous chances which were all at the keeper in essence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on October 08, 2015, 12:53:23 PM
Maybe he is trying too hard, but, I'd rather that than let me think.................................... vic !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on October 08, 2015, 01:28:27 PM
How many forward passes do we put to his feet?  How many passes along the deck even?  Its a thankless task playing that role anyway but in a Pulis team its near impossible.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 08, 2015, 03:18:10 PM
How many forward passes do we put to his feet?  How many passes along the deck even?  Its a thankless task playing that role anyway but in a Pulis team its near impossible.
can add to that...... How many quality crosses have we provided for him ? Basically none since the excellent Brunt cross early on against Villa.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 08, 2015, 04:46:05 PM
He looks knackered imo after 70 minutes and should choose his harrassing of oppo players more carefully.

Playing the lone role is demanding at the best of times, let alone in a side who aren't possession orientated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on October 08, 2015, 06:47:37 PM
Put him in a side which creates chances and I'm sure he'd score a fair few, imagine him at someone like Swansea, he'd have way more. As it stands he lives of scraps, and does a good job at harassing but cannot create goals entirely on his own.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on October 09, 2015, 04:58:14 PM
I wish he would have given these qualifiers with Venezuela a break and just took it easy. He looks completely shattered at the moment just chasing aimless long balls.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on October 17, 2015, 08:23:38 PM
Could do with hitting a good goal scoring run.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on October 17, 2015, 08:35:26 PM
Could do with hitting a good goal scoring run.
our shower don't create chances as a forward in our team it's a thankless task
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
our shower don't create chances as a forward in our team it's a thankless task
Saido put his away in short order.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on October 17, 2015, 08:56:33 PM
I think people are missing the point maybe, It looks as though we will keep a ridiculous amount of clean sheets this season then add a few games were we win 1-0 from whoever mainly Berahino and I think you have a points total of 40 odd, I can't see Rondon getting 10 goals but I also can't see that being a problem under Pulis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on October 17, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
Saido put his away in short order.

It was a lucky chance that fell to him

Im certainly not going to beat Rondon with a stick for not scoring when we hardly create a chance  and Berahino scores from a goalkeepers flap.

Rondon needs a goal but we just don't create enough for him and thats not fair on the lad...he must be wondering why he joined a team where the focal point of the team is not used for the job he is best at
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on October 17, 2015, 09:58:10 PM
It was a lucky chance that fell to him

Im certainly not going to beat Rondon with a stick for not scoring when we hardly create a chance  and Berahino scores from a goalkeepers flap.

Rondon needs a goal but we just don't create enough for him and thats not fair on the lad...he must be wondering why he joined a team where the focal point of the team is not used for the job he is best at
I agree but strikers need to score goals. That is what they are employed to do. He and or as well his agent should have researched how we play. A lot of goal are from "goalkeepers flaps" or defenders errors. I hope he gets one soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jharman292 on October 18, 2015, 08:16:33 AM
Really feel for this guy. Strikers have to score goals, otherwise the confidence will slowly drain from them and it shows in every part of thier game. He is not the same player i saw at the start of the season. He looked physically drained due to how much running off the ball he is forced to do and yet doesn't get a single chance to feed on. There are no balls behind the defence or into the box from wide positions, in what world can we expect him to get on the scorehseet.

I fear things will get worse for Rondon as his confidence gets even lower because i can't see to many chances coming his way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bednarsboingboing balls on October 18, 2015, 09:24:12 AM
Rubbish he has had chances ,another one falling to him from a sweet cross from brunt and they are the ones you have to put away, where do we find these unscoring forwards from? Seems obvious it was never going to happen ,he came from a weaker league and didn't score enough in that league to signify class.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on October 18, 2015, 09:44:41 AM
Have a bit of sympathy for him this week having played only 4 days ago in Brazil! Not like a jaunt into Europe which most of the others moan about especially Europa league syndrome.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on October 18, 2015, 10:09:07 AM
GO on, rip him apart like we always do like some did to Bobby.
FFS don't give him time to settle in to the club,league or country
some fan are unbelievable in their expectations & have no patients .
I would much rather see him on the pitch than Lambert or Anichebe.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: richjonawba on October 18, 2015, 10:31:03 AM
It's not his lack of goal scoring which bothers me, most players wouldn't get a load of goals for us with the way we set up, but his lack of movement last few games has been very bothersome. He rarely hit second gear yesterday for the entire 80 or so minutes, you can say he's tired having been away on international duty but if that's the case he shouldn't be starting. Anichebe gets all sorts of stick for not putting a shift in, I see no difference so far between the two players, in fact at least Vic can win a header and hold the ball up effectively, two things I have witnessed no evidence of from Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on October 18, 2015, 11:47:40 AM
He looks quality and gets into the right positions so let's give him time, I'm more worried about Lambert who looks over weight
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 18, 2015, 12:04:43 PM
He looks quality and gets into the right positions so let's give him time, I'm more worried about Lambert who looks over weight
This is the reason that I call him the legend.
He needs to shift a couple of stone.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jharman292 on October 18, 2015, 12:28:16 PM
This is the reason that I call him the legend.
He needs to shift a couple of stone.

I sit quite low in the Brummie Road and Lambert looked visibly thinner to me. Certainly shifted a bit of timber.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on October 18, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
I don't think we can really judge Rondon with the way we play. He seems to be the type of forward who needs crosses or the ball played in front of him.

Chelsea play in the same way as us (albeit with much better players) and rely on strikers creating a lot for themselves, which is why Falcao has struggled with them. Of course the other difference is their midfield trio weigh in with a lot of goals, or did up til this season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on October 18, 2015, 08:50:41 PM
I sit quite low in the Brummie Road and Lambert looked visibly thinner to me. Certainly shifted a bit of timber.

Agreed, Did well when he came on too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on October 18, 2015, 10:33:59 PM
He looks pretty useless but the attack and service is worse than useless so I'm not writing him off yet. Perhaps we should stop spending £10m in strikers who have never played in the prem or a decent European league (Russia does not count). Mbonkani who went to norwich on a loan looks a better player and has a better goal ratio and career record. Still if we had Gnabry and Mcmanaman delivering crosses and a midfielder running past him he might have a chance. Sadly he's currently chasing the opposition back four around by himself until he falls over.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on October 19, 2015, 05:27:37 PM
Being our record signing is the kiss of death for anyone we sign.

I don't know another that has failed with all their record signings.

Last good one i can quickly recall is jason Roberts over 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on October 19, 2015, 06:52:59 PM
He looks pretty useless but the attack and service is worse than useless so I'm not writing him off yet. Perhaps we should stop spending £10m in strikers who have never played in the prem or a decent European league (Russia does not count). Mbonkani who went to norwich on a loan looks a better player and has a better goal ratio and career record. Still if we had Gnabry and Mcmanaman delivering crosses and a midfielder running past him he might have a chance. Sadly he's currently chasing the opposition back four around by himself until he falls over.
Russia doesn't count but Belgium and Ukraine do? Remember Mbokani has failed in both France (Monaco) and Germany (Wolfsburg), whereas Rondon SUCCEEDED in Spain (Malaga).

I think it's the way he's being asked to play, he tries to lay the ball off to players too often, but that is what the target man in this set up is expected to do, except he isn't really a target man, he's just tall. Ironically Anichebe is better at what Pulis wants, Rondon would be better in saido's role where he can make runs in and be fed the ball, rather than trying to create for someone else. We saw this with how he played when he first came, making runs behind the opposition to pull them away from either himself or a team mate. He doesn't do that anymore, either because he's realised it gets him nowhere, or that he's been asked not to and to be a useless lump up front.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on October 19, 2015, 08:38:44 PM
I agree Huntington, scoring in the top Spanish league is hardly a joke, he has good pedigree - it's not like Brown Ideye who toured the obscure leagues.

I think Rondon is a good player but he will never get many goals under Pulis, but that is because of Pulis being so negative with little chances created. If Rondon were playing for a Swansea or Southampton you can guarantee he'd be scoring a lot more.
Personally I'm happy to have him start, to me he's proven he's good enough and just needs a few decent crosses and he'll score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: spencer Baggie on October 19, 2015, 09:22:15 PM
Diego Costa would struggle to score in our team, such is our inability to create chances.

Poor Rondon must wonder what he did wrong to end up playing our style of football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggyman68 on October 19, 2015, 10:24:08 PM
Its  not whether our strikers can score or not its the lack of good chances being made for them.
The squad is unbalanced and lacks quality.
Makeshift full backs putting pressure on the wingers to always have to double up. Always having to have two defensive midfielders because the ones in front of them are not trusted to go forward and do some defensive work. We need central midfielders who can hold the ball without constantly passing backwards and are able to pick a through ball to the strikers.
Wingers who can cross a ball to one of our players or drop a shoulder and go past a defender.
I think I feel a bit sorry for Pulis sometimes when he looks to our bench and the best he has on there is gardner.
Money needs to be spent!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on October 19, 2015, 11:15:39 PM
Its  not whether our strikers can score or not its the lack of good chances being made for them.
The squad is unbalanced and lacks quality.
Makeshift full backs putting pressure on the wingers to always have to double up. Always having to have two defensive midfielders because the ones in front of them are not trusted to go forward and do some defensive work. We need central midfielders who can hold the ball without constantly passing backwards and are able to pick a through ball to the strikers.
Wingers who can cross a ball to one of our players or drop a shoulder and go past a defender.
I think I feel a bit sorry for Pulis sometimes when he looks to our bench and the best he has on there is gardner.
Money needs to be spent!

you feel sorry for pulis,who is it that picks the makeshift fullbacks,who is that picks all the defensive midfielders,who is it that puts gardner anywhere near the 1st team,who is that's spent 14m on mac and chester,both who wont play,if I were peace I wouldn't trust pulis with anymore money
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 12:21:10 PM
As previous.
Pulis makes his own decisions and has to be accountable for them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 20, 2015, 12:25:51 PM
even Lambert would score in a decent team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 20, 2015, 12:27:35 PM
even Lambert would score in a decent team
Stupid boy as Captain Mainwaring would say. lol
He couldn't score in a free brothel.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 20, 2015, 12:30:07 PM
Stupid boy as Captain Mainwaring would say. lol
He couldn't score in a free brothel.


well i did in munich and i aint no good either :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggyman68 on October 20, 2015, 03:37:55 PM
you feel sorry for pulis,who is it that picks the makeshift fullbacks,who is that picks all the defensive midfielders,who is it that puts gardner anywhere near the 1st team,who is that's spent 14m on mac and chester,both who wont play,if I were peace I wouldn't trust pulis with anymore money
ok he has put square pegs in round holes but with the massive under investment in the squad for the past few seasons and misguided panic buys that have wasted what we have spent  what else can he do? Was Mac his choice? Didn't we have a director in place then?
Nothing will change unless he gets enough money to go out and buy three or four decent players.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on October 20, 2015, 04:14:46 PM
I'm with elkiellis on this one, JP doesn't have a bottomless pit and what he has been able to invest has largely been squandered by a succession of managers.
Ask yourself how many of the current first team squad are the result of sizeable investments?

Myhill,
Dawson, Gmac
, Evans, Brunt
Yacob, Fletcher
McLean, Morrison, Sessegnon, Macmanaman, Gardner
Bera, Rondon, Lambert,

Hardly a glowing report is it ?

As for TP, he can point to Jonny evans, otherwise???

If I were JP, I would be telling TP get shut of the players you don't use before you ask for more money for signings / wages.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on October 20, 2015, 04:33:25 PM
Stupid boy as Captain Mainwaring would say. lol
He couldn't score in a free brothel.

He's hardly played to be fair. I do remember him scoring some great goals in pre season against the likes of Bristol Rovers. I think if given chance he can become a good player here, it's a long season.

I also think Rondon has the quality to become a success here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: nick_wba on October 20, 2015, 04:47:28 PM
He's hardly played to be fair. I do remember him scoring some great goals in pre season against the likes of Bristol Rovers. I think if given chance he can become a good player here, it's a long season.

I also think Rondon has the quality to become a success here.

I agree, it's all quite ridiculous reading to be honest. Not sure what more the lad can do. He works his socks off and you can tell he has the quality to accompany his work-rate. And some of you are talking about Mbokani?! Get off it, Rondon is a far, far better player.

He's moved half away across the world, he needs to settle. Give the bloke a chance.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on October 20, 2015, 04:52:06 PM
Not seen many knocking Rondon, rather he is getting sympathy from most for being given an impossible task.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on October 20, 2015, 05:04:54 PM
Thats why i dont get why people are writing off Lambert yet saying Rondon is okay.

I dont know for sure but would imagine Rondon has made about 6 or 7 starts, and scored once and although he looked lively to start with due to his workrate, now he doesnt really contribute anything.

Lambert has made 2 maybe 3 starts (including cup) and hasnt scored and also contributed very little so not sure why Lambert is branded useless and Rondon isnt, if going on track record i would say Lambert has probably a better scoring rate?

Its too early to write either of them off, whoever plays as a striker in our team its a thankless task, the way we play, ie - whack it, you may as well play Big Vic up there.

I think if you saw Lambert or Rondon in any other team other than a Pulisball one they would look much better and score more goals, sadly at the moment we are ruining both of them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on October 24, 2015, 05:03:00 PM
Another for him, he seemed really happy about it too.

Given how we play I think he should be happy with a 10 goal season and he's on for that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: iwastherein68 on October 24, 2015, 05:13:02 PM
So pleased for him, but superb cross from Mcclean also COYB :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mateinone on October 24, 2015, 11:30:30 PM
I think he will know in about 10 as someone else stated
Such is the case with Pulis sides, we need to make sure we take the chances we get, not likely to get anywhere near the chances he got in Russia, but is a quality player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 25, 2015, 09:45:24 AM
As Ian Wright highlighted on MOTD, his movement to get cleanly on the end of McLean's cross was very good....the defender didn't know where he was.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 25, 2015, 03:17:59 PM
The boy needs service and it comes as no surprise that two crosses into the box he managed to get his head on - one of which was a bullet header to win the game.

We have to provide him with more crosses otherwise he's going to be ineffective.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on October 25, 2015, 03:31:36 PM
Worked hard as usual and took 1 of 3 (possibly 2.5)  chances yesterday.

1 a header over the bar from a decent cross. He was under severe pressure from the defender who did what all defenders do when beaten in the air - push hard into his man to unbalance them to make it difficult for them to direct the ball.

2 just short of a tap in from another decent cross because his run at the ball was obstructed off the ball (probably unlawfully but this is Albion with KF refereeing)

3 An excellent scoring header which he made the space for with brilliant movement to lose his defender.

Rondon is a good player and a very good striker given the ammunition
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Sessegod on October 25, 2015, 06:00:13 PM
Worked hard as usual and took 1 of 3 (possibly 2.5)  chances yesterday.

1 a header over the bar from a decent cross. He was under severe pressure from the defender who did what all defenders do when beaten in the air - push hard into his man to unbalance them to make it difficult for them to direct the ball.

2 just short of a tap in from another decent cross because his run at the ball was obstructed off the ball (probably unlawfully but this is Albion with KF refereeing)

3 An excellent scoring header which he made the space for with brilliant movement to lose his defender.

Rondon is a good player and a very good striker given the ammunition

Was that our freekick from the training ground? he may have been blocked a bit but should have know it was coming and bust a gut to get there. Good all round solid performance though, big strong lad up front, starting to work well with Bera.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on October 25, 2015, 07:54:42 PM
Was that our freekick from the training ground? he may have been blocked a bit but should have know it was coming and bust a gut to get there. Good all round solid performance though, big strong lad up front, starting to work well with Bera.

His mistake was trying to get ahead of the defender rather just dropping off him but if the ball in hadn't have been such a peach getting ahead of the defender would have given him the better chance. As it was he was just a whisker away from a tap in. The goal will do his confidence the power of good and is a reward for the hard yards he has put in other games without much by the way of service.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on October 26, 2015, 04:02:11 PM
The thing we had with the game vs norwich is quality service to Rondon which makes all the difference. Whip a good cross into him and he will get on the end of it, hopefully the likes of Brunt, McClean and Sess can continue delivering dangerous crosses.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on October 26, 2015, 04:15:27 PM
Been highlighted enough times. We don't create enough for out strikers be that how previous and current manager sets up or that the team aren't good enough but since odemwingie and lukaku went we lost strikers who could create fr themselves. Ideye was never given tbe ammunition and in reality that was the first game we have given rondon some. Put enough quality in to the box and he will bang in the headers. What he needs is one to just drop for him so he will have more confidence shooting.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on October 26, 2015, 04:16:59 PM
The thing we had with the game vs norwich is quality service to Rondon which makes all the difference. Whip a good cross into him and he will get on the end of it, hopefully the likes of Brunt, McClean and Sess can continue delivering dangerous crosses.

Spot on Pie, he received some quality service at last. Three good chances and he put one away - that will hopefully fill him with confidence. Won us all three points so he should be proud of that - team effort though

and a superb ball from McLean :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on October 26, 2015, 04:23:46 PM
Spot on Pie, he received some quality service at last. Three good chances and he put one away - that will hopefully fill him with confidence. Won us all three points so he should be proud of that - team effort though

and a superb ball from McLean :)
You could see the relief in his celebration, think he will kick on now. Don't think he will get the service to score 15+, but he will get his share of match winners. We only win 1-0 after all!  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on October 26, 2015, 07:24:50 PM
He may only have 2 goals but his goals have had a major contribution to 6 of our 14 points which says more than the amount of goals if you ask me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on October 26, 2015, 08:33:40 PM
Been highlighted enough times. We don't create enough for out strikers be that how previous and current manager sets up or that the team aren't good enough but since odemwingie and lukaku went we lost strikers who could create fr themselves. Ideye was never given tbe ammunition and in reality that was the first game we have given rondon some. Put enough quality in to the box and he will bang in the headers. What he needs is one to just drop for him so he will have more confidence shooting.

Knowing that SB could be sold in the January window Leaving two similar type of forwards to keep big Ron on his toes i wouldn't have let Bobby go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 20, 2015, 07:40:32 AM
We need to get the best out of this guy when berahino leaves. Imo we should sign Matt phillips and push brunt up to left midfield. With those two putting the crosses in he would score a lot of goals for us. Been impressed with rondon so far but doesn't get much service from our midfield at the moment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2015, 09:35:10 AM
We need to get the best out of this guy when berahino leaves. Imo we should sign Matt phillips and push brunt up to left midfield. With those two putting the crosses in he would score a lot of goals for us. Been impressed with rondon so far but doesn't get much service from our midfield at the moment.

It's a good point you raise about Brunt, are we missing out on his supply by having him further back? Going by Rondon so far i'd say he'd benefit from a player like Brunt on the wing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on November 21, 2015, 09:52:18 AM
Brunt is still the best passer of the ball at the club and that ability is largely wasted at full back. Yet regardless of personnel we are so negative that our forwards are always going to be starved of quality balls in the final third of the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on November 21, 2015, 09:56:25 AM
Brunt is still the best passer of the ball at the club and that ability is largely wasted at full back. Yet regardless of personnel we are so negative that our forwards are always going to be starved of quality balls in the final third of the pitch.

I think if any of our forwards manage to hit double figures under Pulis then they've had an incredibly good season. I mean look at the amount of chances we create. Multiple games with just one shot on target, possibly some zero.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on November 21, 2015, 10:04:37 AM
I think if any of our forwards manage to hit double figures under Pulis then they've had an incredibly good season. I mean look at the amount of chances we create. Multiple games with just one shot on target, possibly some zero.

Yep. I have sympathy with Berahino because of this. Pulls style football reduces the opportunity for him to show and develop his talent. I've even more sympathy for Rondon and Lambert who have just joined and must be wondering what they have done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2015, 04:06:19 PM
Much like Berahino in recent weeks.  Rondon has got to score that header. Aside from that he lead the line well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieblood on November 29, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
Like Henry said bad miss.

The sky commentators were creaming themselves about the save but the header was straight at goalie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2015, 04:33:08 PM
I'm not sure you can call that a save when the forward headers the ball straight at you!

All the goal to aim for and he hits the keeper - should have scored but aside from that he lead the line well. Much better with the introduction of Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on November 29, 2015, 04:35:27 PM
His biggest mistake was getting it on target.  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 29, 2015, 04:56:54 PM
Bad miss but overall he led the line well. Much improved when Lambert came on. He needs service!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 29, 2015, 05:02:21 PM
Much like Berahino in recent weeks.  Rondon has got to score that header. Aside from that he lead the line well.

He got a solid connection and the goalkeeper did well to make himself big.

If he put those squarely in the corner every time he'd have cost 3 times more and he'd be playing for Chelsea.

I'm ahppy with him. Mozza should have scored and that would have been his 4th assist also. He's doing well, not great, but well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on November 29, 2015, 05:04:27 PM
He should have scored but I think he played not bad today.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2015, 05:51:58 PM
Didn't stop running and played pretty well overall. Should have buried the header but I'm not going to crucify him for it as he made good contact and hit the target. Also great effort in the first half that was only 6 inches wide.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on November 29, 2015, 06:24:13 PM
Bad miss , good game and much better with the physical battle today.
Settlimg in now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RogerBadoo on November 29, 2015, 08:00:16 PM
I thought he worked hard today, linked up play nicely and was unlucky not to score and set one up. Good effort.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 12:41:24 PM
Bad miss , good game and much better with the physical battle today.
Settlimg in now.
It was a bad miss, a good, confident striker would have gone back across goal and given the keeper no chance.
His shot in the 1st half was a screamer though and had the keeper beat. Would like to see him have a pop more often.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 30, 2015, 01:06:48 PM
The jury is still out for me. Yes he works hard and has good movement but he's had one or two chances since he's been here that a decent striker should bury. He looks very cumbersome at times. The ball doesn't stick to him often enough for my liking either. He needs better support from midfield and a quick striker alongside him. Had Lambert or dare I say Anichebe had as many minutes on the pitch as him this season they would have matched his goal return.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 30, 2015, 04:02:09 PM
The jury is still out for me. Yes he works hard and has good movement but he's had one or two chances since he's been here that a decent striker should bury. He looks very cumbersome at times. The ball doesn't stick to him often enough for my liking either. He needs better support from midfield and a quick striker alongside him. Had Lambert or dare I say Anichebe had as many minutes on the pitch as him this season they would have matched his goal return.

Yeah, it is slightly worrying. May prove us wrong.

But lack of support is irrelevant when it comes to clear cut chances and that's two golden chances he's missed now. As someone else said, if Saido had have missed those chances, all hell would've broken loose on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 30, 2015, 06:20:48 PM
Yeah, it is slightly worrying. May prove us wrong.

But lack of support is irrelevant when it comes to clear cut chances and that's two golden chances he's missed now. As someone else said, if Saido had have missed those chances, all hell would've broken loose on here.

Rondon didn't "miss" that chance, it was on target and hard, it was saved. You simply can't compare that to the Saido miss where he totally bottled it.

Given our style I doubt a forward will get more than 12 league goals for us in a year. Lambert is fully capable, he does need to lose a stone though. Vic however needs shipping out ASAP, I'd rather give a youth team player his place.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: fatboy_coach on November 30, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
Rondon didn't "miss" that chance, it was on target and hard, it was saved. You simply can't compare that to the Saido miss where he totally bottled it.

Given our style I doubt a forward will get more than 12 league goals for us in a year. Lambert is fully capable, he does need to lose a stone though. Vic however needs shipping out ASAP, I'd rather give a youth team player his place.

Nabi when he comes back from India? Its this month isn't it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 30, 2015, 11:34:59 PM
I think we need to give him the rest of the season to 'aclimatise' then hope he kicks on next season with some potential providers bought in
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: garlic_naan on December 01, 2015, 09:55:14 AM
Nabi when he comes back from India? Its this month isn't it?

Nabi has barely featured in India. Considering the standard out there is awful-this says a lot about him. He will not have a future at this football club, or indeed at any top flight club.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 01, 2015, 10:08:09 AM
Yeah, it is slightly worrying. May prove us wrong.

But lack of support is irrelevant when it comes to clear cut chances and that's two golden chances he's missed now. As someone else said, if Saido had have missed those chances, all hell would've broken loose on here.
No striker scores every chance though, the trouble we have is that chances are very few and far between, so misses are accentuated.
Anyone know his conversion rate, chances to goals and how it compares to others?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 01, 2015, 02:02:12 PM
Part of the problem is that Rondon is playing in a very defensive team and is a decent striker, but maybe not at the same level as an Odemwingie/Lukaku or even a thin and up for it Saido.

Although most fans know these two aspects and in theory allow for them, they then judge Rondon without allowing for those factors.

No one short of a truely world class talent would score 15+ goals a season in this team. We dont create enough and some of the forward passing is utterly awful. The Jonas "passing" to Rondon in the first half against West Ham was 20 foot too high and 40 foot too forward. It was just blind hoofing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dorrans17 on December 01, 2015, 07:31:36 PM
I really really rate this guy, enjoy the way he plays and puts himself about. Need to play him up top with Saido.

Bing boing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on December 01, 2015, 09:25:39 PM
West Brom striker Salomon Rondon has led a revolt against the Venezuela Football Federation, after their team's shocking start to World Cup qualifying.
Venezuela, the only South American country never to reach the World Cup, have ended the year bottom of the 10-nation group without a point after four matches, sparking speculation that coach Noel Sanvicente would resign.
And several core players, including Rondon, have now threatened to quit unless their federation's (FVF) directors resign


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Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on December 01, 2015, 09:28:39 PM
I'm not 100% sure about him yet.  What I like a lot about him is that he works hard for the team and never shirks a challenge.  His movement is excellent. 

What I'd like to see an improvement on is him taking up better positions in the box.  His finishing isn't great either but he needs more chances creating for him.  I don't think he is an out and out goal scorer.  More Shane Long than Odemwingie but that's not a bad thing as I was a big fan of Long.  What it means is the midfield need to chip in with more goals something only Morrison is doing a the moment.

I'd like to see a winger signed in January.  Someone who can score goals and create.  Neither Sess or McClean are pulling their weight in terms of creating or scoring.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie953 on December 02, 2015, 01:05:02 PM
I like what I've seen so far, he comes across as a very personable player.

I wonder if he had known how isolated he would be playing whether he would have come to the Albion in the first place.

Albion are not the sort of team to create many goal scoring opportunities nor are we the sort of club to be blessed with a striker who puts away 50% of his chances. It is therefore unlikely (not impossible) he will score unless he has 2 or 3 good chances in a game.

We need to work on delivering better balls to the forward line to give the incumbent (Ricky, Sado or Rondondon) a fighting chance.

Like any striker he will improve as his confidence grows but I would stick with him for now that's for sure.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2015, 01:19:50 PM
I think we will see him and Lambert in a 4-4-2 on Saturday. It should suit the 2 of them, but not sure how it will work for the team. It could go really well, with them both notching, or could go horribly wrong and we get tonked.
Personally, if it's a choice between this and bringing Gardner in to replace Claudio, then I hope Pulis gives it a go.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2015, 02:12:55 PM
4-4-2 may work due to Yacob being suspended, it relies heavily on Brunt playing in midfield though imo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 02, 2015, 02:32:07 PM
4-4-2 may work due to Yacob being suspended, it relies heavily on Brunt playing in midfield though imo.
Where would you play Brunt on the left or central? If left, who are the other 3?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 02, 2015, 02:36:30 PM
got to be out wide, but, for me if he is not at LB he don't play!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
A 4 man midfield of Morrison Fletcher Sess and McClean is too weak. Add in Gardner for Sess and it's awful. Brunt on the right cutting inside.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 02, 2015, 06:05:28 PM
In order to support a front 2 as opposed to a front man alone we need a much much better midfield as the one we have ( with any combination of current players ) is simply not good enough as a 4. So we either need to figure out some form of 3 - 5 - 2 OR go with 4 - 5 - 1. If we play 2 forwards, a 4 man midfield is too weak and would get bossed by opposition, simple.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on December 02, 2015, 09:16:39 PM
I think, NO believe that him & Bobby would have taken us up the table for the next 2/3 season if we had not got rid of him. They both have a fair amount of pace, movement & i could see them scoring 25 goals or more between them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 05, 2015, 05:04:21 PM
His best performance so far and handful all evening as a lone striker needs a goal badly though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on December 06, 2015, 08:46:19 AM
Excellent yesterday, now he's starting to get more and more chances can see him becoming an absolute monster for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on December 06, 2015, 09:08:51 AM
He won virtually every aerial duel against two very good Centre Backs, it is a pity we didn't get players closer to him particularly in the 1st half. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mini gaardsoe on December 06, 2015, 10:14:18 AM
The problem for Rondon as I see is is that he puts so much effort in to the first 70 minutes that he's absolutely knackered for the final 20 when you tend to get a few more openings. It might not be the most illustrious job for him but maybe he should have been replaced for fresher legs with 20 to go, maybe with Berahino for example.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on December 06, 2015, 12:18:53 PM
The guy was a monster today!! Worked his butt off, he and the ball were like magnets today every time the ball was kicked up towards the Spurs half it seemed like he was there to win it!! A goal would have capped off what was an excellent showing today! Most of our matches prior to these last 3-4 I felt bad for Rondon because TP had us playing so defensive he would be lucky to get 1 or 2 shots on goal in any given match. But now I gotta admit just a bit of frustration on my part with his failure to score on the chances he's had of late. His goal tally should at least be double what it is. Maybe his work rate is crippling him, wearing himself out so he doesn't have the legs to get a good shot off, or perhaps it's just a lack of confidence whatever it is I hope he starts scoring because we really need a nice goal tally from our strikers!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on December 06, 2015, 01:34:03 PM
There's no denying his workrate, but I don't think he's clinical enough in front of goal. A good example was that ball that came over his shoulder, when he dithered, whereas a top striker would have reacted instinctively and put it away.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kendo on December 14, 2015, 11:19:58 AM
Happy with a point at Liverpool but, if only Rondon could put the ball in the net we could have been 6 points better off. He as missed sitters in the last 3 games that would have give us the points. He looks a player with no composure or confidence when racing through on goal. His first touch is not normally good but , the one thing he does do is give 100% effort. If he could just have more belief , he might come good.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2015, 11:26:40 AM
Happy with a point at Liverpool but, if only Rondon could put the ball in the net we could have been 6 points better off. He as missed sitters in the last 3 games that would have give us the points. He looks a player with no composure or confidence when racing through on goal. His first touch is not normally good but , the one thing he does do is give 100% effort. If he could just have more belief , he might come good.

He's an excellent player, if yesterdays chance had come on the hour instead of in the 90th minute he'd probably have taken the couple of extra touches he needed and scored.

Not sure why you think he has a poor first touch, looks a quality footballer possibly low on confidence in front of goal. I agree he needs to slot one of these chances to settle him down, but attach no blame to him for not winning yesterday. The equalising goal came from 3 missed tackles and a defender turning their back, that is what was unacceptable...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 11:36:24 AM
I think a large part of his finishing is down to how much work he does off the ball.

Because he is constantly running around and chasing balls down, a lot of his energy will be used up, so when it comes to taking a chance, hes 'shattered.'
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 14, 2015, 11:58:23 AM
Definitely needs a goal or two to restore his confidence. Fair point though about his workrate, it's almost as if his focus has shifted and his finishing is suffering because he is working so hard on other aspects of his game.
Hopefully, the next 3 games will see him take a couple of chances.
We have one of the best finishers in the league sat on the bench, which is frustrating, but I still wouldn't swap them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 14, 2015, 11:59:36 AM
Happy with a point at Liverpool but, if only Rondon could put the ball in the net we could have been 6 points better off. He as missed sitters in the last 3 games that would have give us the points. He looks a player with no composure or confidence when racing through on goal. His first touch is not normally good but , the one thing he does do is give 100% effort. If he could just have more belief , he might come good.

I agree with that but I'm also hoping this is something that will improve with match time, the premier league gives no time for players to make a shot so he will have to learn to remain composed every time he makes a shot. But even with him not scoring he offers so much more to the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on December 14, 2015, 12:10:15 PM
I like him. His work ethic is great, he seems to have good quality and movement. It's been said a few times, he spends most of the game chasing lost causes and does it well. When he get's a half chance , it must be difficult for him to make it count when he's knackered. We're beginning to look more like Roy's Albion every week but need a couple of players to help break/ counter attack quicker. If we had this, I'm sure he'd get a few more goals.........he probably needs more of a rest now and again to be honest
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 14, 2015, 12:57:05 PM
Doing a fantastic job for us, I think he just needs one to bobble in off his backside and then the goals will start flowing.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 01:21:58 PM
Works hard and hassles defenders but his finishing is poor. Far too slow and cumbersome for me to play up on his own. The ball doesn't stick to him enough for me - it just bounces off him a lot of the time. Maybe fitness is the issue as he looked knackered after an hour. Pulis should have bought Lambert on much earlier yesterday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PepeMel on December 14, 2015, 01:24:30 PM
He needs a full season to settle in properly
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on December 14, 2015, 01:29:41 PM
Willing to give him time because we have little or no other options.  Do I rate him?  Not particularly but I'll give him credit for working hard for the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on December 14, 2015, 01:53:14 PM
He needs a full season to settle in properly

Don't know if I'm right but that's what I said.
Give him the rest of the season to adjust and see what next season brings.
It must be difficult for him when a lot of the balls up to him are at best speculative and at worst over hit.
That said he's had a couple of golden chances in the last few games that I would expect a £12m striker to do better with.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on December 14, 2015, 02:01:25 PM
 To give a comparison Giroud had scored 4 goals for  Arsenal in the prem at this stage in his first season so i think the doubters should cut Solomon  some slack 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on December 14, 2015, 02:03:27 PM
The next few games against Bournemouth,  Swansea, Stoke and Newcastle could be great for him. He should get more chances to get on the scoresheet.

I think he's superb to be honest, works really hard and is such an improvement on Ideye. If Pulis sorted his tactics out regards subs we would benefit more. Rondon batters the defence, we then need pace on and fresh legs to take advantage
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 14, 2015, 02:23:21 PM
He's an excellent player, if yesterdays chance had come on the hour instead of in the 90th minute he'd probably have taken the couple of extra touches he needed and scored.

Not sure why you think he has a poor first touch, looks a quality footballer possibly low on confidence in front of goal. I agree he needs to slot one of these chances to settle him down, but attach no blame to him for not winning yesterday. The equalising goal came from 3 missed tackles and a defender turning their back, that is what was unacceptable...
Does a game of football only last an hour now? it doesn't matter what time of the game the chances come they should all be fit enough to do the job they are paid to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on December 14, 2015, 02:28:49 PM
His first touch does look poor at times. His passing isn't always great either. His pass to McClean that lead to the own goal vs Arsenal was awful actually, most players would have probably given it up.

He's also now started more games for us than Brown Ideye, but scored less. He doesnt quite look the fish out of water that Ideye did at times mind but I'm yet to be convinced.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2015, 02:48:28 PM
Does a game of football only last an hour now? it doesn't matter what time of the game the chances come they should all be fit enough to do the job they are paid to do.

I can't believe you've gleaned so little from watching football for so many years. He'd run himself into the ground against the team that runs further than any other team week after week. It is hardly Rondon's fault none of the other strikers are capable of an effective forward press and therefore are not considered viable alternatives around the 70 minute mark.

His first touch does look poor at times. His passing isn't always great either. His pass to McClean that lead to the own goal vs Arsenal was awful actually, most players would have probably given it up.

He's also now started more games for us than Brown Ideye, but scored less. He doesnt quite look the fish out of water that Ideye did at times mind but I'm yet to be convinced.

It was a superbly weighted ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on December 14, 2015, 03:07:49 PM
Lacking confidence due to a lack of goals. He probably has one half chance and one actual chance a game currently.

Hopefully we attempt to give him a bit more to feed on over the next few games and i'm fairly sure he'll score goals. I understand the Ideye comparisons but they're two very different players. Rondon is an out and out target man who needs people running up with him to really be utilised. Brown was somewhere in between him and Berahino (a natural poacher type) which was no use to our system.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on December 14, 2015, 03:12:44 PM
Lacking confidence due to a lack of goals. He probably has one half chance and one actual chance a game currently.

Hopefully we attempt to give him a bit more to feed on over the next few games and i'm fairly sure he'll score goals. I understand the Ideye comparisons but they're two very different players. Rondon is an out and out target man who needs people running up with him to really be utilised. Brown was somewhere in between him and Berahino (a natural poacher type) which was no use to our system.

As much as I agree that hes a brilliant target man, I also thought he looked a totally different player in the 2nd half at West Ham when Lambert was accompanying him.

He looked more of a threat as it seemed the weight of leading the line alone was off his shoulders.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on December 14, 2015, 03:36:18 PM
Here's hoping he's not the new 'Boo Boy :(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Legend on December 14, 2015, 03:41:54 PM
As much as I agree that hes a brilliant target man, I also thought he looked a totally different player in the 2nd half at West Ham when Lambert was accompanying him.

He looked more of a threat as it seemed the weight of leading the line alone was off his shoulders.

I would also like to see this, I think TP is reluctant to play two up top but against Bournemouth it may be something to consider.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on December 14, 2015, 04:24:53 PM
I can't believe you've gleaned so little from watching football for so many years. He'd run himself into the ground against the team that runs further than any other team week after week. It is hardly Rondon's fault none of the other strikers are capable of an effective forward press and therefore are not considered viable alternatives around the 70 minute mark.

It was a superbly weighted ball.
urgh did shane long not run himself into the ground also? but you couldn't wait to get on here and slate him! double standards mate if you don't like a player you never give them a chance ie long, Dorrans but if you do you go over the top. its got nothing to do with the other players Rondon missed the chance not them and I say again he should be fit enough to last 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on December 14, 2015, 04:27:05 PM
He needs a full season to settle in properly

Maybe he needs a full season to discover where the goals are.  :D

Joking aside I think he has settled. It's just his finishing is way below what I expected of a player with a great goal scoring record at a decent level beforehand. I just don't think he looks fit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on December 14, 2015, 05:12:00 PM
I think he is what you call a 'handful'.

I bet he is a nightmare to actually mark, he is big, strong, works hard, not super quick but not slow and he gives 100%.

I think with the way we play, we miss him when he isnt on the pitch, Lambert is more of a hold and linkup player, Berahino more of a goalscorer but neither covers the ground that Rondon does, that said i would rather a chance fell to either of them than Rondon.

I like him but am concerned with his finishing, its quite wild, you at least have to hit the target and he just seems to lose his composure, not once or twice, its regular. Whether its a confidence thing or he just isnt a good finisher i dont know. Problem is, we dont really have goalscoring wingers or midfielders, i know Morrison has a few but other than that, has any midfielder scored more than 1 so it means the pressure is on Rondon even more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 14, 2015, 07:59:01 PM
Very few strikers have a 100% strike rate. To expect him to be burying the one or two chances that he gets per game is fanciful. Low on chances, low on confidence, low on goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on December 14, 2015, 08:09:19 PM
And the much maligned Vic put one away from a similar position when gifted the ball against Liverpool a couple of seasons ago.  In both cases it was a quick strike along the ground, one goes inside the post, the other outside.  It's those margins again...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on December 14, 2015, 09:21:07 PM
If he had put that one away yesterday or one of the other few of recent memory our points total and league position would have been very different.I like him though works very hard but needs to start putting away some of those rear chances he gets.I know he does not get a lot but the ones like yesterday are very good chances which you have to take at this level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 15, 2015, 07:48:42 AM
Very few strikers have a 100% strike rate. To expect him to be burying the one or two chances that he gets per game is fanciful.
Indeed. The very best strikers miss good chances and, in general terms, those who score the most goals are also having the most chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 15, 2015, 08:15:46 AM
Agree with others - we can't expect him to finish 100% of his chances so there's no point in us only making one per game. His goals so far have not been the easiest, coming from headers where a goal isn't certain by any means and with enough service and good play around him, he'd get more chances and put one away.

Undoubted quality and work rate, just needs more around him. Not sure if that's in the form of a strike partner or wing play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 12:18:19 PM
urgh did shane long not run himself into the ground also? but you couldn't wait to get on here and slate him! double standards mate if you don't like a player you never give them a chance ie long, Dorrans but if you do you go over the top. its got nothing to do with the other players Rondon missed the chance not them and I say again he should be fit enough to last 90 minutes.

Long didn't have ANY quality in possession, he missed a sitter in stoppage time for Southampton at the weekend by the way. Dorrans was always an odd one, I never saw anything in his "wonder" season to suggest he'd make the step up. 6 years down the line he's still a good Championship player plying his trade as a Premier League squad player for a relegation candidate and miles away from his national side.

Rondon like any striker will miss chances, doesn't get away from the fact he's more likely to miss them as he gets more fatigued, ie in the 90th minute. He should have taken a couple more touches and been in on Mignolet but he snatched at it. These things happen. My point about the other players is that Pulis won't play them up front on their own with the exception of Lambert who wouldn't have been on the chance anyway as he's got no pace.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on December 15, 2015, 12:31:17 PM
All strikers miss chances but i think whats concering with Rondon is in the last three games, they have been sitters and on two occasions he hasnt hit the target, maybe miss one, even two, but three needs to improve.

West Ham 6 yards out free header in the middle of the goal, that was just after half time so fatigue cant be blamed and against Spurs the first chance he had was in the first 10 minutes so again tiredness cant be blamed, he had done the hard bit, he had outmuscled and outpaced the defender, got through in a great position and blazed it into the stand.

Liverpool he could of taken it into the box, but to be fair it was late on so maybe tiredness on that one.

I said previous i think its how wild his shots are, if you hit the target, make the keeper work, even if it dont go in then he may parry it, etc. I think he needs a couple of games where he scores back to back, even if it hits his arse and goes in and hopefully he can regain his composure then.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on December 15, 2015, 12:35:38 PM
I just think of the old cliché that it's better for strikers to be missing chances as it means they're getting in the right positions. For me, he's simply not having enough chances created for him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2015, 12:39:24 PM
The West Ham header is a sitter, the other 2 are just presentable chances, the one against Spurs he was going away from goal on his weaker foot and sliced it wide, maybe he should have gone for placement, but normally with your swinger you hit and hope. The Liverpool one he snatched at before he needed to.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 15, 2015, 12:58:50 PM
I'm with Jacko on this one, only the West Ham header can be described as a sitter. The chances against Spurs and Liverpool he should really have hit the target with at least one of them but surely we can't go describing chances like that as sitters.

He seems to be lacking a little confidence in front of goal and maybe snatching at the few chances gets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 15, 2015, 01:04:21 PM
I'm with Jacko on this one, only the West Ham header can be described as a sitter. The chances against Spurs and Liverpool he should really have hit the target with at least one of them but surely we can't go describing chances like that as sitters.

He seems to be lacking a little confidence in front of goal and maybe snatching at the few chances gets.

Agreed, he needs to calm down but appears too desperate to score. Hoping he gets at least one at the weekend.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on December 15, 2015, 01:07:28 PM
The Premier League over the years has been littered with strikers who struggled during their first season, even players like Falcao who had been prolific everywhere

Because we paid a record fee for us, everyone seems to expect him to hit the ground running, but as has been pointed out we only create a couple of half chances a game for him.
I think we need to give him this season then see what next season brings
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on December 15, 2015, 02:39:36 PM
I probably sound as though i am having a pop at Rondon, i am not, i rate him and would want him starting each game as he is a handful and gives defenders more to do than anyone else we have.

I dont buy into the give him time to settle for missed chances, he has shown in every other aspect of his game that he has settled its just his finishing isnt good enough (yet)

We have other strikers who havent settled and never really got going and didnt look upto it (Ideye, Anelka, Rosenberg in recent seasons) Rondon isnt like that, he is a key player for us, hopefully he will notch a goal or two and kick on the scoring front, but if he doesnt and just isnt a very good finisher then we have to find a way of playing Lambert, Berahino or another attacking player who can score alongside Rondon because our midfield dont offer any goals with the exception of Morrison.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on January 09, 2016, 11:59:37 PM
His form his seriously worrying now. That's easy chances he's missed against Spurs, West Ham, Liverpool and now Bristol City and he hasn't scored in the meantime.

If we sell Saido, god knows when a striker will next score for us.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on January 10, 2016, 12:25:28 AM
I think he had his worst game for us today, I think the lack of goals is starting to eat at his confidence which is a bit of a worry.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on January 10, 2016, 01:18:36 AM
Looks better than brown but is that saying much, should be looking at players from stronger leagues looks like we got mugged again
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 10, 2016, 01:38:13 AM
I am very worried Lambert and Rondon has a grand total of 4 goals so far very dissapointing if we sell Saido we have to buy another forward these two dont look like they going to score 10 between them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: jharman292 on January 10, 2016, 09:55:08 AM
Today was the first time i become a little concerned tbh, with Berahino looking likely to be off, the pressure will be even heavier on his shoulders. Ill stick with him for now but sooner or later, he needs to bury one of these chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2016, 09:56:48 AM
Our conversion rate (as a team) is at the same level as the Premier League average (14%). Rondon is just below average at 11%, according to Kick app. If we created more chances we should score more goals and goals breed confidence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on January 10, 2016, 10:10:11 AM
Looks better than brown but is that saying much, should be looking at players from stronger leagues looks like we got mugged again

Stronger YES but like bobby he may just need time to settle & remember he has collected a fair few air miles since his arrival here.
 ??? I would have liked to have seen how it would have worked out playing them both up front for a while.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 10, 2016, 10:17:23 AM
People keep comparing him to Ideye but he was never given the minutes on the field that Rondon has and I think if we have him a second season chance he'd have more goals by now than Rondon and the two of them together could've forged a decent partnership IF supplied with chances.

Before he joined there was a Venezaulan (I think) who said he's a finisher, doesn't really play with his back to goal or make runs in behind. I personally don't think we've played to his strengths but the the way we've created more chances of late could give Rondon the chance to bury a few and hopefully build his confidence.

I don't know much about football outside of England but those who did were gobsmacked when we signed Salamon and I think we should give him more of a chance than Brown was given.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 10, 2016, 10:32:41 AM
Starting to think our best striker at the club is Anichebe...

Rondon works very hard - I'd expect that from anyone - but I'm not seeing much else to jump and shout about
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Floydy on January 10, 2016, 10:36:04 AM
The best striker at the club cintinues to be Berahino. His goal record proves it. Fir how ling though remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 10, 2016, 10:51:37 AM
We've got what we've got with Rondon.
I think we should stick with him for the rest of the season and hope this 'season of adjustment' lets him have a head start next season.
There's some players that need we need to stick with (Ron) and players that are past their sell by date (Ricky) either way we have to face facts and realise that for the amount we have to spend we will never be able to buy an Aguero off the shelf.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on January 10, 2016, 11:16:47 AM
Don't see it at all with Rondon I'm afraid. Another big money flop for me, if we end up with him, Lambert and Sick Vic as our only options we're in for a struggle.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 10, 2016, 11:17:04 AM
The positive and negative is his finishing!

I said previous i dont think settling in is the issue, he is having the chances, he just cant hit a barn door (at the moment) thats nothing to do with league change, climate, etc he is getting involved and having chances.

Ideye never really seemed to get into positions to score goals or do much so with him you could say he hasnt settled, so the positive is Rondon is at least doing that, i think at the moment he would be described as a 'handful' but his finishing is awful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on January 10, 2016, 11:44:29 AM
Don't see it at all with Rondon I'm afraid. Another big money flop for me, if we end up with him, Lambert and Sick Vic as our only options we're in for a struggle.

We've relied on Rondon all season and we've done very well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 10, 2016, 01:23:23 PM
Starting to think our best striker at the club is Anichebe...

Rondon works very hard - I'd expect that from anyone - but I'm not seeing much else to jump and shout about

How worrying is that. :D

Seriously I don't rate Anichebe at all but his performance v Newcastle was excellent, far superior to anything Rondon has produced this season. Even a half arsed Berahino is a cut above anything else we have. Rondon looks a bit of a carthorse most of the time. Works hard, unsettles defenders but never looks like scoring. Interesting his goalscoring ratio was almost identical to that of Ideye. Are they not suited to this country or are they not suited to us? Time will tell but I don't think Rondon will be here in 18 months time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2016, 02:52:09 PM
I disagree with everyone knocking Rondon.  He needs somebody with pace/decent finisher playing up with him.  Which isn't Lambert, isn't Anichebe and is unlikely to be Berahino.  Rondon can be a handful for any back four to handle but not if he is played on his own with no decent support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 11, 2016, 09:55:23 PM
he really needs to be putting chances away or at least testing the keeper,the chance Morrison created for him v Bristol was relatively easy,as anyone else noticed but his workrate drops when we play 442,i reckon he watches lambert walking about and thinks sod this im not closing the keeper and defenders down
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 12, 2016, 08:35:48 AM
I disagree with everyone knocking Rondon.  He needs somebody with pace/decent finisher playing up with him.  Which isn't Lambert, isn't Anichebe and is unlikely to be Berahino.  Rondon can be a handful for any back four to handle but not if he is played on his own with no decent support.

People aren't in general moaning about his all round play it's more when he gets decent opportunities like Spurs, Liverpool and again on Saturday he completely misses the target, at worst the keeper should have to make a save to he doesn't even hit the target. Someone playing up front with him isn't going to improve his inability to hit the target from 6 - 12 yards.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 12, 2016, 08:59:41 AM
I disagree with everyone knocking Rondon.  He needs somebody with pace/decent finisher playing up with him. Which isn't Lambert, isn't Anichebe and is unlikely to be Berahino.  Rondon can be a handful for any back four to handle but not if he is played on his own with no decent support.

That doesn't excuse his woeful finishing in front of goal when presented with one on one with keepers
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on January 12, 2016, 09:35:13 AM
People aren't in general moaning about his all round play it's more when he gets decent opportunities like Spurs, Liverpool and again on Saturday he completely misses the target, at worst the keeper should have to make a save to he doesn't even hit the target. Someone playing up front with him isn't going to improve his inability to hit the target from 6 - 12 yards.

And West Ham which was possibly less than 6 yards out
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 12, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
And West Ham which was possibly less than 6 yards out
that was saved though... hardly Kanu-esque.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on January 12, 2016, 09:42:04 AM
that was saved though... hardly Kanu-esque.

It was a good save but from where he was he shouldn't have given the keeper a chance
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on January 12, 2016, 12:02:23 PM
i reckon we'll end up playing a 4-3-3 formation eventually with two pacey wingers and Rondon up top, hence our reported interest in Townsend and Phillips. I think the fact we didn't sell Berahino meant there was a lack of funds to complete the moves for the wingers in the summer, and now when Saido goes the money will likely go towards a new winger.

Basically what i'm saying is i don't think we're playing Rondon the way TP intended to when he bought him, still can't excuse missing from 12 yards though, but his confidence may grow when the final pieces of the puzzle come together.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on January 12, 2016, 02:47:19 PM
Rondom now needs to stop being a 'hard luck story'
He has been here long enough now to be settled in
He hasn't put in a performance anywhere near big Vics (one and only) effort
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on January 12, 2016, 02:48:22 PM
Rondom now needs to stop being a 'hard luck story'
He has been here long enough now to be settled in
He hasn't put in a performance anywhere near big Vics (one and only) effort

And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on January 12, 2016, 03:29:50 PM
And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do

Have to agree with that. I don't know how many folks on he have tried going to live somewhere with a completely different climate and culture? I have, I spent sometime working as a volunteer in a hospital in Indonesia.

Believe me, there are a lot of ups and downs in mood before you finally begin to settle in. It's not just as simple as doing the same job in a different place. It really isn't and it can be very tough indeed for some people. It took me almost 12 months to feel comfortable, so like Tom says, cut him some slack, it's likely to be next year before he really shows.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 12, 2016, 03:33:43 PM
And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do


I thought Drogba was massively overrated judging by his first season at Chelsea and I also remember singing to Benteke that he was a sh*t Emile Heskey not long after he first went to Villa. There are very few Odemwingie type players that seem to settle immediately.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2016, 03:37:15 PM
I thought Drogba was massively overrated judging by his first season at Chelsea and I also remember signing to Benteke that he was a sh*t Emile Heskey not long after he first went to Villa. There are very few Odemwingie type players that seem to settle immediately.

I never knew that Benteke is deaf  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 12, 2016, 03:41:27 PM
That kind of error happens when posting off a phone  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2016, 03:44:13 PM
That kind of error happens when posting off a phone  ;D

Sorry, it was a cheap shot, just made me laugh, no offence intended.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on January 12, 2016, 03:53:09 PM
Let's all get on Rondons back now then shall we. The same old moaners always trying to encourage and back West Brom players. OK Rondon has missed 3 or 4 relatively easy (from the stands or the computer screen at least) chances. Those of us with enough WBA supporting history saw even The King and Bomber sometimes miss one or two they would normally expect to score. Every striker struggles at some time especially when they are not getting too many opportunities or have to run their gonads off trying to make things happen for the team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 12, 2016, 03:57:37 PM
I'd be more concerned if Rondon was not getting the chances, the goals will come.
Some strikers just seem to score in "batches" and then have periods when they struggle. It was ever thus!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 12, 2016, 04:07:58 PM
I look forward to his purple patch
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 12, 2016, 04:27:07 PM
All strikers need confidence and if and when he does score then perhaps he may go on a good run. However regardless of how long he takes to settle I can't see his woeful first touch improving. His hold up play for me just isn't good enough as the ball rarely sticks to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 12, 2016, 04:29:59 PM
And West Ham which was possibly less than 6 yards out

West ham was a header though it's his shooting that needs vast improvement; doesn't hit the target.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 12, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
All strikers need confidence and if and when he does score then perhaps he may go on a good run. However regardless of how long he takes to settle I can't see his woeful first touch improving. His hold up play for me just isn't good enough as the ball rarely sticks to him.

I think if we improved our passing that'd help. Our passing is diabolical.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 12, 2016, 05:58:07 PM
He needs to score asap for everyone's sake i dont care if it bounces of his rse but 3 goals isnt good enough and dont tell me he doesnt get chances 1 or 2 a game over 20 games he should do better than 3 come on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 12, 2016, 06:24:46 PM
Have said previous that i would play Rondon as he is a handful and may be his donkey work creates chances for others (almost like a Heskey type) but based on his finishing, we need somebody else to weigh in with goals whether its a striker partner or goalscoring midfielder because he doesnt look a goalscorer.

Unfortunately he seems to miss at least one very good chance every game, and when he is not scoring either of course questions will be asked about his finishing. His record at other clubs isnt too bad, is so hopefully its just a barren spell and once he gets one however it comes then the goals will roll, but the fact he isnt hitting the target is the worry and maybe he just isnt a good finisher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on January 12, 2016, 09:15:22 PM
And herein lies the problem with fans expectations

Not many players do come to England and settle in their first season, for me you have to give a foreign player at least a season to settle in.

There are some players that have come here and settled instantly but id go as far as saying 75% need at least a full season before they show us what they really can do

Agree partially but after 6 months of playing most games, (I accept that we don't create lots of chances,)but I am struggling to remember a shot on target
Is that too much to ask?

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 12, 2016, 09:21:42 PM
Let's all get on Rondons back now then shall we. The same old moaners always trying to encourage and back West Brom players. OK Rondon has missed 3 or 4 relatively easy (from the stands or the computer screen at least) chances. Those of us with enough WBA supporting history saw even The King and Bomber sometimes miss one or two they would normally expect to score. Every striker struggles at some time especially when they are not getting too many opportunities or have to run their gonads off trying to make things happen for the team.
Ok , but he will still run faster than Lambert  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 12, 2016, 09:27:29 PM
I agree it is a worry that I can't remember seeing him hit the target other than with a header. With that said we simply don't create enough from midfield, although we should expect our striker to score some goals we can't expect him to always score when he has just one half decent chance every other game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2016, 09:44:23 PM
I agree it is a worry that I can't remember seeing him hit the target other than with a header. With that said we simply don't create enough from midfield, although we should expect our striker to score some goals we can't expect him to always score when he has just one half decent chance every other game.

Volley against Bournemouth forced a great save. Ask Arsenal fans what they thought of Thierry in his first season  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on January 12, 2016, 10:08:16 PM
I think he'll come good especially if we keep playing more on the front foot as of late.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 13, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
I said this when he was signed and I'll say it again: Rondon will not be his most effective with his back against the goal, out on an island, and definitely not spending most of his energy running around without the ball because he has to account for being the only man up front without a lot of support.

Rondon is a goal-scorer because he works hard inside and outside the box and as a result is often in scoring position, is a load to deal with because of his strength, and is very good in the air game. Read that description over. How many EPL teams would want someone like that? He's not going to get the ball 35-40 yards out and dribble past the back 4 and score. If you feed him, he'll score, he'll be ready. But what he's being asked to do at WBA? That's not going to result on a lot of goals. However, I've seen him have a positive impact on TP's gameplan even if he only has 3 goals so far.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on January 14, 2016, 10:29:43 AM
Unfortunately, he has got the ball in good positions in recent games and his shooting hasn't been good enough. Could just be low confidence.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 14, 2016, 11:02:40 AM
i thought we played much better with him on the pitch last night than off it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 14, 2016, 11:15:48 AM
I said this when he was signed and I'll say it again: Rondon will not be his most effective with his back against the goal, out on an island, and definitely not spending most of his energy running around without the ball because he has to account for being the only man up front without a lot of support.

Rondon is a goal-scorer because he works hard inside and outside the box and as a result is often in scoring position, is a load to deal with because of his strength, and is very good in the air game. Read that description over. How many EPL teams would want someone like that? He's not going to get the ball 35-40 yards out and dribble past the back 4 and score. If you feed him, he'll score, he'll be ready. But what he's being asked to do at WBA? That's not going to result on a lot of goals. However, I've seen him have a positive impact on TP's gameplan even if he only has 3 goals so far.
More to a modern strikers game than goals. Who cares who scores as long as we get the performances and results that we want.
He's adapting with every game and his attitude appears superb, does need to improve his finishing, but not that bothered about the lack of goals just now.
The other positive is that if he continues to contribute without scoring too many, he won't be poached by a bigger club. Stay under the radar Sal.  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 14, 2016, 12:08:08 PM
More to a modern strikers game than goals. Who cares who scores as long as we get the performances and results that we want.
He's adapting with every game and his attitude appears superb, does need to improve his finishing, but not that bothered about the lack of goals just now.
The other positive is that if he continues to contribute without scoring too many, he won't be poached by a bigger club. Stay under the radar Sal.  ;)

I agree with this up to a point but if he had taken the chances against Spurs and Liverpool we may have had all 3 points, so his missing could be costing us points in that respect. I like him though and appreciate his effort and really hope the goals start to come for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 14, 2016, 03:04:51 PM
I thought he was huge last night, his defensive contribution was massive.
Yes we want our CF scoring goals and he isn't, but if he is occupying 2 defenders and creating holes for the Midfield to exploit, so be it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 14, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
Much better last night and we lost a bit of impetus when he went off. He should be hitting the target though with his shot on the turn in the first half for me. He did the hard bit with a great dummy but the finish let him down again. Watching the stream last night he was the only Albion player in the picture many times. Just proves how little support he gets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 14, 2016, 03:58:38 PM
if rondon had scored 10=12 goals so far this season every club in the prem would be after him, think he will better as well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 14, 2016, 04:14:21 PM
if rondon had scored 10=12 goals so far this season every club in the prem would be after him, think he will better as well
I think he will be better next season especially if we play to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 17, 2016, 08:38:53 PM
Every game i look at him and think he's going to start scoring soon ....... :'(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 17, 2016, 09:22:24 PM
I think he will be better next season especially if we play to him.

That's what I'm consoling myself with as well
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 19, 2016, 09:22:26 AM
Brown Idye instead anyone?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Foster#1 on January 19, 2016, 09:38:02 AM
No.

Ideye has done nothing in his career.

Rondon has scored goals in Russia & at international level, he will come good. Not his fault our midfielders are clowns.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 19, 2016, 09:41:10 AM
Brown Idye instead anyone?

Can't be serious?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 19, 2016, 09:42:19 AM
You can play any striker in the world up front for us but if they only get something like one chance a game on average they are never going to have a great goal return. Rondon probably should have done a little better with some of the chances he's had with us but I don't see the point in writing him off just yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 19, 2016, 09:49:35 AM
You can play any striker in the world up front for us but if they only get something like one chance a game on average they are never going to have a great goal return. Rondon probably should have done a little better with some of the chances he's had with us but I don't see the point in writing him off just yet.

Agree with that conclusion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 19, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
Against Southampton we had no one in view of whichever the midfield was stood in pompey I thought, they was that far apart.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 19, 2016, 09:55:50 AM
I personnally didnt say i preferred Brown over Rondon, someone mentioned it on WM last night
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 19, 2016, 10:10:38 AM
You can play any striker in the world up front for us but if they only get something like one chance a game on average they are never going to have a great goal return. Rondon probably should have done a little better with some of the chances he's had with us but I don't see the point in writing him off just yet.

You're right, even the best strikers miss chances every week but they usually get 3 or 4 on a plate. I think Realistically he should have double his tally but i wouldn't hold it against him and i hope he's given a chance to settle and enjoy a second season. He'd benefit from a more creative player in the number 10 role and genuine wingers on both sides.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 19, 2016, 12:49:14 PM
No.

Ideye has done nothing in his career.

Rondon has scored goals in Russia & at international level, he will come good. Not his fault our midfielders are clowns.

121 goals in 302 apps - hardly nothing is it?

Personally I didn't rate him but he won't be the first player to do well before and after coming here yet flop with us. Rondon will be the same IMO and you have the likes of Valero and Rosenberg who also didn't hit it off here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 19, 2016, 12:58:17 PM
The only difference between Rondon and Ideye so far is Rondon can actually head the ball.

I never thought that Ideye wasn't good enough, merely that he didn't suit the Premier League, and I'm starting to think the same about Rondon. He's been bought as a big, battering-ram centre forward, in the old English style, but he doesn't seem cut out for it.

I doubt he'll be here next season tbh.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 19, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
121 goals in 302 apps - hardly nothing is it?

Personally I didn't rate him but he won't be the first player to do well before and after coming here yet flop with us. Rondon will be the same IMO and you have the likes of Valero and Rosenberg who also didn't hit it off here.

If you are going to compare the two you have to take into account the quality of the leagues they have played in and I don't think there is any doubt that Rondon has played in stronger leagues than Ideye has.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on January 19, 2016, 01:34:11 PM
Rondon hasn't had it easy. Forced to play up on his own, having to jet around the world for international duty. It's been pretty difficult for him but he's done well, he has just lacked goals.

The second season may see him come good. I'd stick with him for now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on January 19, 2016, 01:51:03 PM
No point in comparing Ideye and Rondon, apart from the fact they are both foreign strikers bought for silly money there really is little comparison.

For what it's worth I'm far from convinced by Rondon. Decent in the air but despite the lack of service and poor tactics, he's still managed less goals than Berahino in probably double the amount of minutes on the pitch if not more.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on January 19, 2016, 02:48:46 PM
I would have liked to have seen them both given more time together & to settle into the team & league.
I would have loved to have seen us play Solomon,Bobby & Saido up front to :-* :( :( :(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on January 19, 2016, 04:41:36 PM
I think that rondon is a clever player and he will Get better,he's just what we need,he's quality he needs the service,he's 10 times the player ideye was.why do so many so called fans complain? What do some expect?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on January 19, 2016, 04:43:18 PM
Rondon only needs a number 10 and a winger to work with
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 19, 2016, 04:43:27 PM
I think that rondon is a clever player and he will Get better,he's just what we need,he's quality he needs the service,he's 10 times the player ideye was.why do so many so called fans complain? What do some expect?

Take one of he's chances that's presented to him, I like him I think he would do well with a Berahino type player in an attacking side.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 19, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Rondon only needs a number 10 and a winger to work with

Will that improve his first touch and finishing too?  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2016, 08:23:06 PM
Awful first touch, rubbish at shooting, no real pace, can't hold ball up, can't link with midfield, no football nous, 3 goals in 16 games which is shocking. Yes the service is dire but he is just as bad. He can attack a cross that is it. The sort of player I'd expect for a £1-£2m outlay. Wouldn't set the championship on fire which sums it up. A disastrous signing all round. Yes he scored in Russia for their dominant team. Bit like managing 15 goals as a striker for Celtic. In summary a colossal waste of money and an embarrassment to the scouts / football director / board / manager.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on January 19, 2016, 08:44:10 PM
I hope that he proves me wrong but Rondon will never be a goal scorer at premier league level.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Aztech on January 19, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
I hope that he proves me wrong but Rondon will never be a goal scorer at premier league level.

Not with Pulis tactics he won't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2016, 08:50:40 PM
He wouldn't score goals with Mowbray in charge, Pulis is negative and a bore but the player isn't good enough. Just look at the goals / game ration between him and Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on January 19, 2016, 09:01:09 PM
just scored  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on January 19, 2016, 09:09:38 PM
It worked come on Salomon lets go on a scoring run now including premier league games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 19, 2016, 09:33:13 PM
Glad he scored but very unimpressed with him and the team generally.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 19, 2016, 09:45:32 PM
Amazing how quick players get wrote off on here at times.

How about we let the bloke get used to the country as well as the football and see how he goes next season, not all players take to a different league straight away.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on January 19, 2016, 09:55:20 PM
Will see the best of Ronni next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 19, 2016, 09:58:08 PM
Will see the best of Ronni next season

Hope so, there is one hell of a striker in there somewhere!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 19, 2016, 10:18:49 PM
Will see the best of Ronni next season
I thought the same about Ideye Brown...but then we sold him  :'(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on January 19, 2016, 10:25:19 PM
Ronni is better than ideye I believe he will be great once he settles in the country & gets first season under his belt
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on January 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM
Hope so, there is one hell of a striker in there somewhere!

Hope you are right but it can't see it TBH
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 19, 2016, 11:06:35 PM
Ronni is better than ideye I believe he will be great once he settles in the country & gets first season under his belt
I think Ideye could of done a job this season with better service than he had last season, as the 2nd half of last season we were just scrapping for points to stay up and he was isolated a lot.

With us now playing further up the pitch I think we would of seen more from Ideye IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 20, 2016, 11:49:11 AM
Great control and finish for his goal last night.

Not sure we exactly play to his strengths lumping it up to him as he just doesn't compete well enough in the air and the majority of the time it would make no difference as we have no players withing 20-yards of him anyway.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on January 20, 2016, 11:52:22 AM
All goals he has scored have come from crosses into the box - we need to get more crosses into him. If we do this, I reckon he will get plenty!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 20, 2016, 12:02:37 PM
Good finish from him took it well and looked very relieved too!

I think Evans said after the players were pleased for him so maybe the missed chances had been playing on his mind, hopefully he can relax now and the goals flow!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
Nailed on to score against the Villa, he will come good. I'm sure of it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 20, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
He's a forward with ability and he'll finish moves - 17 of his 18 goals last season were within 12 yards. Absolutely essential we make opportunities for him. Sadly relying on crosses from wide to him gets predictable and teams can expect them and defend them. Mix our game up somewhat (only attacking chances yesterday came from wide) and hopefully when we do cross it in it's less predictable. It's a catch 22 situation.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 20, 2016, 12:28:40 PM
Best thing about Rondon is he makes Big Vic look half decent.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 20, 2016, 02:42:43 PM
Chuffed for the lad the goal celebration said it all ;like a mountain being lifted from his shoulders.Cant question his genuine intent to good for the Albion time to get behind him I hope he score on Saturday that would worth its weight in gold.Nice and composed finnish good job Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2016, 02:43:31 PM
Hatrick on Saturday :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 20, 2016, 04:14:47 PM
Good finish from him took it well and looked very relieved too!

I think Evans said after the players were pleased for him so maybe the missed chances had been playing on his mind, hopefully he can relax now and the goals flow!

I thought that after his goals v Norwich and Leicester. A well taken goal last night but lets not forget we were playing a side who will most likely be in League 1 next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 20, 2016, 04:18:22 PM
I thought that after his goals v Norwich and Leicester. A well taken goal last night but lets not forget we were playing a side who will most likely be in League 1 next season.

Winning and scoring breed confidence , doesn't really matter on opposition for strikers 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 20, 2016, 04:58:25 PM
Took his goal well but still misses the target too often
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 20, 2016, 08:12:25 PM
Hatrick on Saturday :o
Is my feeling too, I think when he clicks some teams will suffer..
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 21, 2016, 09:08:09 AM
Is my feeling too, I think when he clicks some teams will suffer..
You think we'll create 3 chances  :o
Bit early to be on the grog mate... ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 23, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
Tony has sent him for some blood tests after he said he is feeling tired, Hope he comes back from them and don't decide to do a runner  :D got to do 10 laps round the pitch tomorrow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on January 23, 2016, 10:03:43 PM
It says something that when over half a season has gone we still can't make a conclusive judgement on him. No striker with any common sense would sign for us - unless they were desperate.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 23, 2016, 10:20:33 PM
I can make a conclusive judgement on him, he is useless. Get rid, his three game ban was a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
as I put in the after match debate, he's doing about as well as can be expected to in the way we approach games.

Before the season, I said that 5-8 would be a great season for him and he's gotten 4 so far in all competitions. I wouldn't be surprised if his next goal was in late March...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 23, 2016, 10:36:54 PM
if its our style that doesn't suit him, why haven't we found one that does. wouldn't you normally try and build around your record signing.
I see him as a slight improvement on ideye nothing more than that
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 23, 2016, 10:41:00 PM
We don't play to our player's strengths, they adapt to our coaches "style".
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
if its our style that doesn't suit him, why haven't we found one that does. wouldn't you normally try and build around your record signing.
I see him as a slight improvement on ideye nothing more than that
Honestly, Rondon DOES!!

he tracks back and is good defensively, throws 110% into almost every game, provides variety as he can get on crosses, he can get in behind teams and he can hold a ball up, just not as long as a larger player such as Anichebe, for example.

There isn't a stiker that I personally know of that would be as close to what Pulis wants, other than Rondon and shane Long. Long's problem however is his overall height,  inability to hold a ball from a player all that well, injury record and the fact he's such a diver he makes CMac and Sess look like innocent.

Our system is currently at an extreme of defensive cowardice, to the point the striker is expected to defend corners, you cannot expect a striker of any caliber to be able to work sufficiently in that environment and get double figures. His job is be a pain in the arse, defend and get corners. That's about it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:10:36 PM
basically...
Pullis has killed him as a player who can perform.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 23, 2016, 11:13:50 PM
basically...
Pullis has killed him as a player who can perform.
not necessarily, just that he's doing about as well as expected.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: slate on January 23, 2016, 11:24:57 PM
Honestly, Rondon DOES!!

he tracks back and is good defensively, throws 110% into almost every game, provides variety as he can get on crosses, he can get in behind teams and he can hold a ball up, just not as long as a larger player such as Anichebe, for example.

There isn't a stiker that I personally know of that would be as close to what Pulis wants, other than Rondon and shane Long. Long's problem however is his overall height,  inability to hold a ball from a player all that well, injury record and the fact he's such a diver he makes CMac and Sess look like innocent.

Our system is currently at an extreme of defensive cowardice, to the point the striker is expected to defend corners, you cannot expect a striker of any caliber to be able to work sufficiently in that environment and get double figures. His job is be a pain in the arse, defend and get corners. That's about it.

Absolutely agree.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on January 23, 2016, 11:30:33 PM
I don't think any striker has scored more than 10 goals in a season playing for Pulis, I have no idea why anyone would expect Rondon to be any different.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on January 23, 2016, 11:48:21 PM
Granted the service is non-existent and he's isolated but he is still utter rubbish. He can't control the ball or shoot. His only turn of pace is when he's running off the pitch when subbed. The fact that his link play is non-existsnt doesn't help the midfield push up and support him. Note when he out suspended we looked more threatening and had more play. Not because Anichebe or Lambert carried much of a goal threat but because they could as least link with the midfield to allow the team time to move up the pitch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2016, 12:01:21 AM
Granted the service is non-existent and he's isolated but he is still utter rubbish. He can't control the ball or shoot. His only turn of pace is when he's running off the pitch when subbed. The fact that his link play is non-existsnt doesn't help the midfield push up and support him. Note when he out suspended we looked more threatening and had more play. Not because Anichebe or Lambert carried much of a goal threat but because they could as least link with the midfield to allow the team time to move up the pitch.

I'm sad to say that I think you could be right. However I dont think we can really give him too hard a time because playing in this team is impossible for a striker. He gets very very few chances which increases the pressure on him when he does get a chance. I feel sorry for him to be honest and have been willing him to score more, but chances are few and far between.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2016, 12:17:09 AM
we have probably wasted 12m quid,but id still rather have him than vic or lambert
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BobTaylor on January 24, 2016, 12:31:50 AM
we have probably wasted 12m quid,but id still rather have him than vic or lambert

If Rondon gets rested at the weekend then the thought of Lambert and anichebe makes me want to stay in London and not come up for it to be honest.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on January 24, 2016, 01:43:24 AM
I've actually come to the point with Rondon where I actually prefer Brown Ideye and that is seriously saying something.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 24, 2016, 02:19:45 AM
So we expect goals from Rondon but we aren't saying anything about the lack of service he has during games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: collins101 on January 24, 2016, 03:25:26 AM
Nobody playing upfront for us will score goals with the way play. All Rondon can do is chase long balls into the corners because that's all we do !
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on January 24, 2016, 07:06:01 AM
I really do feel bad for any player playing as a striker under Pulis and Rondon is no exception. Yet, I just cant help myself feeling disappointed with Rondon's overall performance as a goal scorer which is what we broke our transfer fee to bring him here to do. Sure were frustratingly ultra defensive and most games lack any kind of descent service from the mid-field to our strikers but for 12M I expect more than (3) league goals from him with a little bit more than half the season behind us. Berahino has played 600 minutes less than Rondon this season and has the same goal tally in league games. Out of the (39) shots Rondon has taken only (11) have been on target as opposed to Berahino who has (6) shots on target from a total of (15) taken. Last season I believe Berahino scored (14) league goals (9) of them coming in the second half of the season under Pulis, at this rate Rondon will be lucky to have more than 7-8 all season. I'll admit Pulis didnt have us playing this negative after he was appointed but nonetheless you cant help but wonder how many of these draws might have been wins if SB had taken Rondon's (39) shots. Even with a bit of attitude and what some would describe as half hearted performances Saido has the same amount of goals as a 100% effort, hustling likeable Rondon. I say give the kid some starts and let him do what we know he can do and that is score goals as the alternative is scrapping for survival. Starting, playing and scoring goals will correct any attitude he may have and cross the fingers he don't get hurt and even if he does and his selling price is reduced, so what!! Any reduction in fees for Berahino due to an injury will be nothing compared to what we will lose if relegated!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2016, 01:45:04 PM
the one shot he tried yesterday 2nd half into the Birmingham rd end was a ridiculous effort he hit it first time and he wasn't nowhere near in line with their goal,he was one on one he had time to trap the ball and turn inside the defender,on the rare occasion we do attack and move forward he never seems to be in the right place in the box,not forgetting he has missed a few excellent chances this season,hate to say this but about on par with idye except that idye had more pace
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: graka on January 24, 2016, 01:55:10 PM
If you look at his goals on line lots of crosses. We haven't got any quality out wide. No proper full backs so he ends up on his own against 3 or 4 defenders. He certainly doesn't look like a 12 million pound player but given the service you never know.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on January 24, 2016, 02:55:24 PM
So we expect goals from Rondon but we aren't saying anything about the lack of service he has during games

Agreed about the lack of service, especially how deep we were in that second half against the Villa yesterday.

However, 'the lack of service' line doesn't excuse him for his horrendous first touch. How many times this season has the ball just bounced off him - he consistently loses the ball. It's all just hustle and bustle. I don't buy into the fact that he is this ultimate hard worker every game in which he plays. The lack of movement at times when the ball is about to be put into the box, or be looked to be slipped through, is poor.

The striker situation is becoming rather worrying.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2016, 02:59:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Rondon ask for a move at the end of the season, WBAFC are not helping his career or international aspirations IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on January 24, 2016, 03:11:57 PM
i dont think it is at all possible to judge how good or otherwise a striker is when we set up and play the way we do - to say nothing of a remarkable lack of quality or creativeness in midfield or from our "full backs"! I feel sorry for Rondon - mostly he needs binoculars to see the nearest albion player!

on a slightly different not i should hope all those who were slagging Shane Long off on here are maybe thinking "be careful what you wish for"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 03:36:20 PM
i dont think it is at all possible to judge how good or otherwise a striker is when we set up and play the way we do - to say nothing of a remarkable lack of quality or creativeness in midfield or from our "full backs"! I feel sorry for Rondon - mostly he needs binoculars to see the nearest albion player!

on a slightly different not i should hope all those who were slagging Shane Long off on here are maybe thinking "be careful what you wish for"

Not at all. Rondon is a much better player than Long.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on January 24, 2016, 03:41:59 PM
Not at all. Rondon is a much better player than Long.

very hard to tell at the moment and i have no idea how you think you have evidence for that - or for plenty of other opinions for that matter!!!!!

. one thing is for sure is Long better suited to how we play at present. although the poor bloke would be absolutely knackered and by end of season he would be about 5'1"
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 03:45:50 PM
very hard to tell at the moment and i have no idea how you think you have evidence for that - or for plenty of other opinions for that matter!!!!!

. one thing is for sure is Long better suited to how we play at present. although the poor bloke would be absolutely knackered and by end of season he would be about 5'1"

Not sure how you figure that because aside from his 1 in 5 scoring rate Long's worst attribute is holding up the ball/awful first touch.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: we8seals on January 24, 2016, 03:50:29 PM
and Rondon has first class first touch???

does he hold the ball up well??? answer no!!

goals to game ratio - no difference

And anyway all i was saying is its hard to judge any striker at present. Might as well have The Jacko up front
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on January 24, 2016, 04:53:26 PM
Honestly, Rondon DOES!!

he tracks back and is good defensively, throws 110% into almost every game, provides variety as he can get on crosses, he can get in behind teams and he can hold a ball up, just not as long as a larger player such as Anichebe, for example.

There isn't a stiker that I personally know of that would be as close to what Pulis wants, other than Rondon and shane Long. Long's problem however is his overall height,  inability to hold a ball from a player all that well, injury record and the fact he's such a diver he makes CMac and Sess look like innocent.

Our system is currently at an extreme of defensive cowardice, to the point the striker is expected to defend corners, you cannot expect a striker of any caliber to be able to work sufficiently in that environment and get double figures. His job is be a pain in the arse, defend and get corners. That's about it.

The accuracy of this post is uncanny
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggybazza on January 24, 2016, 05:12:23 PM
Well i,ll be the 1st to admit i,m no Rondon supporter atm, He,a lacking everything a striker needs  Confidence, courage , support,and GOALS!!.
But i have just seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4.
So my beloved baggies play to the lads strenghths and lets see if we can turn this dour, boring, crap , season into some thing to shout about for the remaining home games!.
Because i for 1 wont be renewing my season ticket next year if i,m going to have to watch this sh!!! week in week out .
Yesterday performance or lack off was the last straw for me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2016, 05:34:31 PM
Well i,ll be the 1st to admit i,m no Rondon supporter atm, He,a lacking everything a striker needs  Confidence, courage , support,and GOALS!!.
But i have just seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_BDgcL8VU4.
So my beloved baggies play to the lads strenghths and lets see if we can turn this dour, boring, crap , season into some thing to shout about for the remaining home games!.
The key things from Rondon's 2014-15 goal compilation for me are:

- Rondon most likes the ball at his feet, facing the goal
- Zenit played with other players making central runs past Rondon, enabling opportunities for swift inter-passing
- Zenit counter-attacked with pace and incisiveness
- For almost all of the goals scored from open play, Rondon had 2 or more team-mates with him in the penalty area, meaning he was less tightly marked

Serious questions need to be asked of the club as to why they sign strikers like Rondon and Ideye, knowing what their strengths are, and then don't make any attempt to play to those strengths? The outcome is inevitable and, having made that mistake with Ideye, we're doing it again with Rondon. Instead, Pulis seems to be intent on moulding Rondon into something else which, on current evidence, doesn't suit him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 24, 2016, 07:51:19 PM
Not sure how you figure that because aside from his 1 in 5 scoring rate Long's worst attribute is holding up the ball/awful first touch.
Shane Long took us apart when we played Southampton, he is also far better than Rondon in the air. i am not having a go at Rondon i think/ hope he will come good, but Pulis as said he is tired and needs a  couple of weeks rest!! i find this amazing especially when he as already had a three game rest for his stupid red card.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 24, 2016, 08:00:45 PM
If i was Rondon id want out ASAP.

He is being taken for a C U Next Tuesday. No support all season. I feel sorry for the chap.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on January 24, 2016, 08:08:39 PM
People say about his hard work but I see this as a bit of a myth for me he does plenty of quantity not much quality work and wastes too much energy so that when he needs to show in the right place he is knackered . The team should be doing pattern play in training so that when the ball is in a certain area of the pitch Rondon knows where he should be . I don't think we work on it at all . I said on way home yesterday maybe he would benefit from the coaching and insight of someone who has played up front at this level pretty much like the goodman and Pearson scenario from way back .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
Not sure how you figure that because aside from his 1 in 5 scoring rate Long's worst attribute is holding up the ball/awful first touch.
didn't long score 2 scorchers against the villa playing on his own,rondom couldn't manage a shot,we sold long for a profit we aint got a chance of offloading rondon for anywhere need what we paid
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 24, 2016, 09:59:22 PM
didn't long score 2 scorchers against the villa playing on his own,rondom couldn't manage a shot,we sold long for a profit we aint got a chance of offloading rondon for anywhere need what we paid

One cost 3 million one cost 12 million  ???

Long's goals against Villa were the exception not the rule, I was astonished when he controlled that one over his shoulder and slotted, great goal, but he couldn't do it again if you gave him the same ball another 50 times.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2016, 11:34:27 PM
I think it's so SO obvious that Rondon's lack of confidence and goals is not his fault. Watching that compilation shows that he needs the ball to played to him early and incisively. Oh and into his feet rather than constantly aimed towards his chest/head.

The problem with us at the moment, and it was abundantly clear versus Villa, is that we never capitalise on openings and mistakes, never. If we go to play the early ball, we screw it up, if there's a chance to put an early cross in when the defenders are flat footed, we don't do it and we sit so deep that when Rondon receives a hopeful punt he has 2 central defenders and 2 defensive midfielders around him while blue and white shirts are usually at least 20 yards away.

All of the above means that when we do actually get that one opening and a chance is made for him the pressure is on him so much to get it right.

When we get chances to catch teams out, Sess tries one trick too many, Gardner is just awful, Yacob generally needs a playmaker (we don't have any) nearby and McClean is hit and miss.

We need to upgrade Sess, McClean, Morrison and not start Yac and Fletcher together AND stop playing so deep before we see an improvement in Rondon's goal return.

I'm by no means saying the above are bad players but you have to build a team around goals (goals = wins) and we need our "attacking" players to fit our 12 million pound striker.

I'd be happy with Fletcher or Yacob alongside Morrison but ultimately we need an upgrade on one of them. Then the three attacking midfielders need to be a proper winger on the right (Phillips from QPR would be great) who's powerful and puts in early balls, a more dynamic 'in the pocket' player like De Guzman or even Sess (Morrison is even ok here but not with Yacob AND Fletcher behind) and i accept McClean on the left but i do think he lacks the quality we need, although tip of the hat to him, he works 'ard and he has improved vastly and does offer value for money.

So the cheapest way of improving Rondon in my eyes would be:

             Fletcher/Yacob                Moz

Phillips/New winger        Sess/New no.10      McClean
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on January 24, 2016, 11:46:03 PM
Its a catch 22, if the problem with Rondon is physical it will show up in these blood tests but would be surprised because as somebody said above he had a two break at xmas.

I wonder if some of it is pyschological, he came as our record signing, for clubs like ours we need them to hit the ground running, for the first couple of months he was flying all over the world and struggled to get going.

I think his performances in general have been okay until lately but he looks void of confidence now and is getting worse, i am not sure he is a natural goalscorer but will probably get 6 or 8 a season.

His finishing has been poor but i have sympathy with him, when he was out we tried to play football and looked a decent team, we did the same at Chelsea when he played too but other than that the 4 games since he came back we have gone back to hoof and chase and everyone 20 yards behind him and i imagine it must be very downheartening for him playing that way when he has more to offer.

For the rest of the seasons games, If we play more often like we did yesterday i would expect he will be moved on either at his request or the clubs at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2016, 11:49:49 PM
I wonder if some of it is pyschological, he came as our record signing, for clubs like ours we need them to hit the ground running, for the first couple of months he was flying all over the world and struggled to get going.

I think his performances in general have been okay until lately but he looks void of confidence now and is getting worse, i am not sure he is a natural goalscorer but will probably get 6 or 8 a season.

His finishing has been poor but i have sympathy with him, when he was out we tried to play football and looked a decent team, we did the same at Chelsea when he played too but other than that the 4 games since he came back we have gone back to hoof and chase and everyone 20 yards behind him and i imagine it must be very downheartening for him playing that way when he has more to offer.

For the rest of the seasons games, If we play more often like we did yesterday i would expect he will be moved on either at his request or the clubs at the end of the season.

See my above post. We just don't play to his strengths at all, even Pulis defended the long ball and you could here him shouting at the players to pump it upfield v Bristol City. If Pulis was behind the signing then it's a massive fail on his part. We may as well play Anichebe when fit (ha!) to be honest.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 24, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
I feel sorry for him to be honest but I don't think he's helping himself. He has very little movement, is poor in the air, gets out-muscled far too easily, hasn't got any noticble pace and his finishing has been poor.

The down side for him is that we provide very little service from out wide. Usually because we're playing make shift wingers, and we also sit so deep there's never anybody around him anyway.

I think we would have been better off signing someone like Cameron Jerome/Jon Walters and using that £12million or whatever it was on a  bloody good midfielder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2016, 11:55:26 PM
In fact we may as well have just kept Ideye, he's probably have the same amount of goals at least. All of Pulis' sentiments about settling in time could all have been applied to Ideye last year but instead Pulis decided to move him along and now back his own signing.

Argh i'm having a bit of an anti-Pulis moment.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2016, 05:57:59 AM
Rondon looks a much better player than Ideye to me. Rondon just needs support. Support would create chances. Chances create goals. Goals breed confidence. Confidence breeds more goals.

Foe example, Vardy couldn't hit a barn door last year , then with good players around him and confidence he looks like the bionic Man!

On paper Rondon and Berahinho up front with McLean and CMc on the wings should've worked well.

He needs a partner/ foil......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 09:51:24 AM
I feel sorry for him to be honest but I don't think he's helping himself. He has very little movement, is poor in the air, gets out-muscled far too easily, hasn't got any noticble pace and his finishing has been poor.

The down side for him is that we provide very little service from out wide. Usually because we're playing make shift wingers, and we also sit so deep there's never anybody around him anyway.

I think we would have been better off signing someone like Cameron Jerome/Jon Walters and using that £12million or whatever it was on a  bloody good midfielder.

Other than that he's brilliant. ;D

Seriously I do agree with all that you've posted here. It's the fault of TP to sign a player that doesn't fit his system. That said from what I've seen he doesn't look like he'd fit any system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 11:08:01 AM
Not sure where the very little movement comment comes from, he is absolutely knackered each game from running and chasing. At the weekend he spent too much time covering and doing the chasing work for Sess and McClean.

He needs to develop a ruthless streak and put himself in there more instead of being the nice guy.

I think he is a much better player than Brown Ideye and will come good. Saw him a few times watching Malaga on Sky to see he is upto it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on January 25, 2016, 11:13:13 AM
He needs to learn to control the ball TBH.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 12:39:46 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-having-10778948

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Both intersting and offer a bit of insight rather than "he's crap" etc  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2016, 12:53:07 PM
Lewisant said above , and I quote, you have to build a team around goals (goals = wins)

Well, thats one philosiphy another is "you have to build your team around not conceding goals, not conceding = draws at worst and wins at best.

I suspect our current managers strategy is the latter.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 25, 2016, 02:45:06 PM
Really wish people would get off his back. It really feels like many just made a snap judgement on his goals/game ratio and then work off a confirmation bias moan around this. For example the 'lack of movement' moan I found borderline hilarious.

I must admit I feel really sorry for the lad to only ever feed off aimless hoofs in his vague direction, and then when he does manage to impressively collect, there are no West Brom players within 30 yards of him and as a result surrounded by 2/3 defenders! How is anyone supposed to 'make their own chances' from this setup?

Regardless, who would you really drop him for? Is it really that much of a coincidence that Anichebe, Berahino and Lambert have also all struggled up front too this season (to put it mildly)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 25, 2016, 02:56:45 PM
The Rondon transfer was a real coup for the club, I know some may chortle at the suggestion now but I’m still confident he will come good, however I don’t believe we will see the best of him until next season.  It take players time to adapt, people forget that after Modric’s first season at Spurs people said he wasn’t up to the Premier League, its only recently Ozil has been widely accepted as success at Arsenal, infact there’s dozens of examples; Koscielny, Monreal, Willian off the top of my head, all had a prolonged period where they learnt to adapt to the English game.  Mahrez another one, he wasn’t half the force last season that he is now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2016, 03:05:39 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-having-10778948

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Both intersting and offer a bit of insight rather than "he's crap" etc  ::)

You have to laugh. I don't know what team that 'Russian Football expert' has been watching but he has us down as playing with natural wingers!
Apart from Mcmanaman and Brunty, nether who figure there consistantly, have we got a natural winger on the books?

That said I do agree that we need to keep him here and hope we can develop a style of play where the midfield  gets to support the striker more quickly on a more consistent basis.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:10:28 PM
The Rondon transfer was a real coup for the club, I know some may chortle at the suggestion now but I’m still confident he will come good, however I don’t believe we will see the best of him until next season.  It take players time to adapt, people forget that after Modric’s first season at Spurs people said he wasn’t up to the Premier League, its only recently Ozil has been widely accepted as success at Arsenal, infact there’s dozens of examples; Koscielny, Monreal, Willian off the top of my head, all had a prolonged period where they learnt to adapt to the English game.  Mahrez another one, he wasn’t half the force last season that he is now.

He's an excellent player who needs time to adapt, the travelling won't be helping him either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 03:12:55 PM
He's an excellent player who needs time to adapt, the travelling won't be helping him either.

with the right players around him, not 9 players chasing after the ball and him living off scraps. we have the players who could supply him but they are sat on the bench.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on January 25, 2016, 03:14:29 PM
Feel sorry for the guy, People are coming out and saying he is crap dont realise the system Zenit play is totally different to ours. 1st season at the club and in a new country, needs to be given a bit of time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:14:36 PM
with the right players around him, not 9 players chasing after the ball and him living off scraps. we have the players who could supply him but they are sat on the bench.

So he's not a bad signing then?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 03:16:31 PM
So he's not a bad signing then?

there is no evidence to say that it is a good signing AT THE MINUTE.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: RowleyBaggie2 on January 25, 2016, 03:22:14 PM
there is no evidence to say that it is a good signing AT THE MINUTE.

Or that it's a bad one.......Although i'd argue several good performances means that he has contributed this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 25, 2016, 03:28:43 PM
we had the same issue with Ideye, we don't play a style that suits Rondon. we didn't play a style that suited Ideye.

I'd be hard pressed at the moment to identify what style we do play other than defend.

we lack quality in almost every position on the pitch.

we also lack pace throughout the whole team, we play a deep defensive system which relies on counter attacking for any kind of attack other than lumping it forward.

when we do lump it forward it is never anywhere near Rondon so he has to go chasing it.

our ball retention is quite frankly a joke and when we do have the ball our passing is atrocious
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 25, 2016, 04:12:24 PM
our ball retention is quite frankly a joke and when we do have the ball our passing is atrocious

I can only agree.
Fletcher and Olsson are the biggest culprits.
Olsson can only hoof.
Fletcher talks (shouts) a good game, but most times that is it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 04:15:15 PM
Or that it's a bad one.......Although i'd argue several good performances means that he has contributed this season.

hes paid to score goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on January 25, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
He is clearly a talented lad and I am hoping he comes good. Service to him at the moment is poor, but on Saturday he had a couple of balls put through to him the he either failed to control or just got plain muscled out of it. For all his running around, what does it achieve?

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on January 25, 2016, 04:24:03 PM
our ball retention is quite frankly a joke and when we do have the ball our passing is atrocious

I can only agree.
Fletcher and Olsson are the biggest culprits.
Olsson can only hoof.
Fletcher talks (shouts) a good game, but most times that is it.

Disagree, Dawson has by far the worst distribution in the squad, useless. Couldn't pick his nose let alone a pass. Crossfield ball 15 yards infront of Evans was laughable the weekend
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 04:55:53 PM
Disagree, Dawson has by far the worst distribution in the squad, useless. Couldn't pick his nose let alone a pass. Crossfield ball 15 yards infront of Evans was laughable the weekend

Not quite as bad a s Vic mistaking a claret and blue shirt for a blue and white striped one towards the end.

I think Olsson and McAuley would be the two most guilty at this club for poor distribution, its been the same since we signed them. Dawson puts decent balls across the area for a full back that doesn't get past the half way line.



To try and get back to Rondon, give the bloke a chance and time to see whether he can do it, who knows ?? there is talent there and a bit more than just running round.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2016, 05:02:51 PM
Not quite as bad a s Vic mistaking a claret and blue shirt for a blue and white striped one towards the end.

I think Olsson and McAuley would be the two most guilty at this club for poor distribution, its been the same since we signed them. Dawson puts decent balls across the area for a full back that doesn't get past the half way line.



To try and get back to Rondon, give the bloke a chance and time to see whether he can do it, who knows ?? there is talent there and a bit more than just running round.

I struggle to see anything more than hustle and bustle from him. He's slow, first touch is poor, doesn't hold it up well enough and not that great in the air. The less said about his finishing the better. Granted he does need time but most said the same about Ideye. I can see Rondon moving on at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:04:56 PM
I struggle to see anything more than hustle and bustle from him. He's slow, first touch is poor, doesn't hold it up well enough and not that great in the air. The less said about his finishing the better. Granted he does need time but most said the same about Ideye. I can see Rondon moving on at the end of the season.

So lets right him off then as we tend to do on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:09:48 PM
How a Russian football expert sees it:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Zenit Saint Petersburg manager Andre Villas Boas felt he was forced to sell Salomon Rondon to West Bromwich Albion last summer due to the introduction of tighter restrictions on foreign players in Russia.

However, with the arrival of the in-form Artem Dzyuba and £12m in the bank for the now misfiring Rondon, it seems Zenit got a great deal.

The 26-year-old finished as the second highest goalscorer in the Russian Premier League last season with 13 goals in just 25 hours of playing time. However, unfortunately for West Brom manager Tony Pulis, his record signing has notched just four goals in 22 league and cup appearances and Baggies fans are starting to bemoan the purchase of the Venezuelan international.

So why has Rondon’s form declined since his move?

Part of the problem could be the system that West Bromwich Albion play. At Zenit, Rondon was the focal point of the attack in a 4-2-3-1 formation which allows midfielders to get up the pitch and support the forward. Having Oleg Shatov and Hulk play out wide as inside forwards meant that they could cut inside and create chances, using Rondon as a pivot. However, West Brom play a 4-5-1 formation with natural wingers which means that, instead of neat interchange around the penalty area, crosses are fed into the striker and he is expected to fashion chances out of them.

Additionally, the two central midfielders rarely break into the box which leaves Rondon very isolated, putting extra pressure on him to take chances when they come.

That is not to say that West Brom play unattractive or the wrong style of football but it will take time for former Rubin Kazan striker Rondon to adjust to something totally alien to him.

A further problem for the Venezuelan is his team’s possession and chances created. West Brom have the lowest average ball possession in the Premier League at just 40.5 per cent.

Compare this to Zenit’s average possession statistic of 55.4 per cent last season. This lack of possession for Albion has resulted in Rondon having to concentrate more on the defensive side of his game, something he rarely had to do at Zenit. This means that when West Brom do get the ball, Rondon has to switch his focus to the attack and make sure he retains the ball. This is once again something that he is not used to and it puts further pressure on the Venezuelan.

Due to the amount of chances Zenit created last season, it was not so important if Rondon did not find the back of the net. However, at West Brom, chances are few and far between which puts even more pressure on Rondon to score when the chances do come. It will take the Venezuelan a while to get used to this pressure.

West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt. This goes back to the previous point. The Russian Premier League, as well as La Liga where he used to play with Malaga, is nowhere near as physical as the English Premier League and many foreign players take time to adapt, Rondon is not unique in this.

It is important to remember that Rondon signed a four year contract and to judge him just a few months into his first season is incredibly harsh. This is an international player who has scored goals in the Europa League and Champions League on a regular basis. I would urge West Brom fans to remain patient, they will soon see the best of Rondon as he adjusts to a completely new style of football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:16:50 PM
How a Russian football expert sees it:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Zenit Saint Petersburg manager Andre Villas Boas felt he was forced to sell Salomon Rondon to West Bromwich Albion last summer due to the introduction of tighter restrictions on foreign players in Russia.

However, with the arrival of the in-form Artem Dzyuba and £12m in the bank for the now misfiring Rondon, it seems Zenit got a great deal.

The 26-year-old finished as the second highest goalscorer in the Russian Premier League last season with 13 goals in just 25 hours of playing time. However, unfortunately for West Brom manager Tony Pulis, his record signing has notched just four goals in 22 league and cup appearances and Baggies fans are starting to bemoan the purchase of the Venezuelan international.

So why has Rondon’s form declined since his move?

Part of the problem could be the system that West Bromwich Albion play. At Zenit, Rondon was the focal point of the attack in a 4-2-3-1 formation which allows midfielders to get up the pitch and support the forward. Having Oleg Shatov and Hulk play out wide as inside forwards meant that they could cut inside and create chances, using Rondon as a pivot. However, West Brom play a 4-5-1 formation with natural wingers which means that, instead of neat interchange around the penalty area, crosses are fed into the striker and he is expected to fashion chances out of them.

Additionally, the two central midfielders rarely break into the box which leaves Rondon very isolated, putting extra pressure on him to take chances when they come.

That is not to say that West Brom play unattractive or the wrong style of football but it will take time for former Rubin Kazan striker Rondon to adjust to something totally alien to him.

A further problem for the Venezuelan is his team’s possession and chances created. West Brom have the lowest average ball possession in the Premier League at just 40.5 per cent.

Compare this to Zenit’s average possession statistic of 55.4 per cent last season. This lack of possession for Albion has resulted in Rondon having to concentrate more on the defensive side of his game, something he rarely had to do at Zenit. This means that when West Brom do get the ball, Rondon has to switch his focus to the attack and make sure he retains the ball. This is once again something that he is not used to and it puts further pressure on the Venezuelan.

Due to the amount of chances Zenit created last season, it was not so important if Rondon did not find the back of the net. However, at West Brom, chances are few and far between which puts even more pressure on Rondon to score when the chances do come. It will take the Venezuelan a while to get used to this pressure.

West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt. This goes back to the previous point. The Russian Premier League, as well as La Liga where he used to play with Malaga, is nowhere near as physical as the English Premier League and many foreign players take time to adapt, Rondon is not unique in this.

It is important to remember that Rondon signed a four year contract and to judge him just a few months into his first season is incredibly harsh. This is an international player who has scored goals in the Europa League and Champions League on a regular basis. I would urge West Brom fans to remain patient, they will soon see the best of Rondon as he adjusts to a completely new style of football.


Can't really argue with that. Ultimately a team that isn't designed or set up to score many goals isn't going to have a CF who scores a lot of goals.

Personally I really rate Rondon and think in another team/system he played to something near his strengths he would be a real asset. For example I'd back him to get 12 to 15 goals plying for someone like Stoke this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
How a Russian football expert sees it:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-salomon-rondon-striker-10784234

Zenit Saint Petersburg manager Andre Villas Boas felt he was forced to sell Salomon Rondon to West Bromwich Albion last summer due to the introduction of tighter restrictions on foreign players in Russia.

However, with the arrival of the in-form Artem Dzyuba and £12m in the bank for the now misfiring Rondon, it seems Zenit got a great deal.

The 26-year-old finished as the second highest goalscorer in the Russian Premier League last season with 13 goals in just 25 hours of playing time. However, unfortunately for West Brom manager Tony Pulis, his record signing has notched just four goals in 22 league and cup appearances and Baggies fans are starting to bemoan the purchase of the Venezuelan international.

So why has Rondon’s form declined since his move?

Part of the problem could be the system that West Bromwich Albion play. At Zenit, Rondon was the focal point of the attack in a 4-2-3-1 formation which allows midfielders to get up the pitch and support the forward. Having Oleg Shatov and Hulk play out wide as inside forwards meant that they could cut inside and create chances, using Rondon as a pivot. However, West Brom play a 4-5-1 formation with natural wingers which means that, instead of neat interchange around the penalty area, crosses are fed into the striker and he is expected to fashion chances out of them.

Additionally, the two central midfielders rarely break into the box which leaves Rondon very isolated, putting extra pressure on him to take chances when they come.

That is not to say that West Brom play unattractive or the wrong style of football but it will take time for former Rubin Kazan striker Rondon to adjust to something totally alien to him.

A further problem for the Venezuelan is his team’s possession and chances created. West Brom have the lowest average ball possession in the Premier League at just 40.5 per cent.

Compare this to Zenit’s average possession statistic of 55.4 per cent last season. This lack of possession for Albion has resulted in Rondon having to concentrate more on the defensive side of his game, something he rarely had to do at Zenit. This means that when West Brom do get the ball, Rondon has to switch his focus to the attack and make sure he retains the ball. This is once again something that he is not used to and it puts further pressure on the Venezuelan.

Due to the amount of chances Zenit created last season, it was not so important if Rondon did not find the back of the net. However, at West Brom, chances are few and far between which puts even more pressure on Rondon to score when the chances do come. It will take the Venezuelan a while to get used to this pressure.

West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt. This goes back to the previous point. The Russian Premier League, as well as La Liga where he used to play with Malaga, is nowhere near as physical as the English Premier League and many foreign players take time to adapt, Rondon is not unique in this.

It is important to remember that Rondon signed a four year contract and to judge him just a few months into his first season is incredibly harsh. This is an international player who has scored goals in the Europa League and Champions League on a regular basis. I would urge West Brom fans to remain patient, they will soon see the best of Rondon as he adjusts to a completely new style of football.


So begs the question who bought a centre forward for 12m and not play to his strengths? Or am i missing something? We set up not to score many goals. Says it all really dont it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on January 25, 2016, 05:23:25 PM
Have to say this bit seems very questionable 'West Brom fans have complained that Rondon is not built for the rough nature of the English Premier League saying that he backs out of challenges and is scared to get hurt'

Surely he's got a great build for a mobile physical centre forward in the prem ? I personally haven't noticed any 'backs out of challenges and scared to get hurt' either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:24:42 PM
Or maybe we have to build slowly and fit it together piece by piece as we don't have the finance to do it wholesale and have no-one queuing up for our players ?

I thought he backed out of one with the keeper on Saturday, needs to develope the sort of ruthless streak someone like Goodman had and stop being so nice.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:29:00 PM
Or maybe we have to build slowly and fit it together piece by piece as we don't have the finance to do it wholesale and have no-one queuing up for our players ?

I thought he backed out of one with the keeper on Saturday, needs to develope the sort of ruthless streak someone like Goodman had and stop being so nice.

Got sent off for a headbutt a couple of weeks ago and now he's to nice  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boult on January 25, 2016, 05:30:28 PM
Playing for the team up front bye himself with a defensive team around him what chance TP only needs Peter Crouch to lump it up top. Football this season abysmal feel sorry for him any other premiership team and Salomon would be in double figures bye now
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:30:58 PM
Or maybe we have to build slowly and fit it together piece by piece as we don't have the finance to do it wholesale and have no-one queuing up for our players ?

I thought he backed out of one with the keeper on Saturday, needs to develope the sort of ruthless streak someone like Goodman had and stop being so nice.

The 12m could have been spent elsewhere with brown ideye up front or even lambert? If pulis knows we aint going to score goals why spend so much money on a centre forward instead of people who could supply? Bet then again he loaned Gnabry and bought Mcmanaman who supply the forward and they sit on the bench.

For the record i think in the right formation and players supplying i think we could have a 10-15 goal man here.

Brown Ideye scores goals in champs league so that is a good example.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:32:28 PM
Got sent off for a headbutt a couple of weeks ago and now he's to nice  ;D

Call that a headbutt  :o

 He only had to blow the bloke a kiss and he would be going down

I thought it had already been discussed how easily Bournemouth players were going down ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on January 25, 2016, 05:34:35 PM
Rondon is a proven top quality striker who should be playing for a much bigger club than us. Give him proper players around him and watch the goals start flying in. At the moment he has got mcclean, a poor attacking winger, sessegnon who can't cross to save his life and gardner behind him who is woeful. Messi wouldn't score many in this team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:34:57 PM
The 12m could have been spent elsewhere with brown ideye up front or even lambert? If pulis knows we aint going to score goals why spend so much money on a centre forward instead of people who could supply? Bet then again he loaned Gnabry and bought Mcmanaman who supply the forward and they sit on the bench.

For the record i think in the right formation and players supplying i think we could have a 10-15 goal man here.

Brown Ideye scores goals in champs league so that is a good example.

I have no idea mate, thats not for me to answer about Ideye, I would have kept him and given him another chance this season, he has like so many others including Rosenberg gone elsewhere to score goals, happened too often at this club over the years.

For me Rondon has to be given time otherwise we go back to the same scenario next season and have the same discussions about another striker as we have about Rondon, Ideye, Rosenberg etc etc
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
I have no idea mate, thats not for me to answer about Ideye, I would have kept him and given him another chance this season, he has like so many others including Rosenberg gone elsewhere to score goals, happened too often at this club over the years.

For me Rondon has to be given time otherwise we go back to the same scenario next season and have the same discussions about another striker as we have about Rondon, Ideye, Rosenberg etc etc

Totally agree.

Put 3 players behind him supplying him he will be a force. But will we?  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:51:44 PM
I have no idea mate, thats not for me to answer about Ideye, I would have kept him and given him another chance this season, he has like so many others including Rosenberg gone elsewhere to score goals, happened too often at this club over the years.

For me Rondon has to be given time otherwise we go back to the same scenario next season and have the same discussions about another striker as we have about Rondon, Ideye, Rosenberg etc etc

I agree but I think it's a change in style rather than time he needs. Just have a look at a few of the other midfields out there compared to ours (these are also teams I think we can be competing with although others will no doubt disagree)

Cabaye, Puncheon, Zaha, Bolasie (Sako)
Arnautovic, Bojan, Shaqiri (Affelay)
Tadic, Mane, Ward Prowse
Siggurdson, Ki, Ayew (Montero)
Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Shelvey, Perez

Even Norwich can boat players like Naismith & Hoolahan. I'd take any Bournemouths creativity over our midfields any day. Ultimately if I was a striker and from an attacking point of view got to pick which midfield played behind me ours would be the last one in the league I'd pick. So it's all very well giving him time but if we don't change our approach or the service he gets Rondon will never improve and will most likely start to regress further.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 05:54:13 PM
I agree but I think it's a change in style rather than time he needs. Just have a look at a few of the other midfields out there compared to ours (these are also teams I think we can be competing with although others will no doubt disagree)

Cabaye, Puncheon, Zaha, Bolasie (Sako)
Arnautovic, Bojan, Shaqiri (Affelay)
Tadic, Mane, Ward Prowse
Siggurdson, Ki, Ayew (Montero)
Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Shelvey, Perez

Even Norwich can boat players like Naismith & Hoolahan. I'd take any Bournemouths creativity over our midfields any day. Ultimately if I was a striker and from an attacking point of view got to pick which midfield played behind me ours would be the last one in the league I'd pick. So it's all very well giving him time but if we don't change our approach or the service he gets Rondon will never improve and will most likely start to regress further.

So your saying morrison gardner and mcclean dont float the boat  :D



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2016, 05:56:03 PM
We do need a change in style at times but that also takes time for the reasons i've previously, we don't have the finance for wholesale changes, we don't have clubs queuing up to take our players so we have to do it bit by bit. Pulis has stated he wants more creativity and our pursuit of Matty Phillips was well publicised but to be honest with the fees quoted not sure how many would have gone for him and us being reliant on money for Saido makes it difficult as well.

Time will tell whether its empty words from Pulis but thats for another topic.

As for Rondon he needs time to adjust to this country and football, some take to it like a duck to water but not all.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Astle1968 on January 25, 2016, 05:58:45 PM
So your saying morrison gardner and mcclean dont float the boat  :D

From an attacking sense our current midfield couldn't float a rubber duck let alone a boat.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on January 25, 2016, 06:32:50 PM
It's a similar problem to what Shane Long had when he was with us, especially late on in his spell. Loan isolated figure who looked a bit despondent.
Long linked up very well with Jelavic at Hull and links up with the Mane's etc. at Southampton who usually have fluid movement in the team.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on January 25, 2016, 07:03:47 PM
Rondon wastes his energy because he runs towards the defender with the ball but doesn't pressure him fully, so the pass is easy, then he has to run to the next player.  My guess is he used to playing with at least one other up front so "half pressuring" is useful as there is less likely to be an easy pass on.  There was very little else to watch on Saturday, so I studied him doing this at length  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 25, 2016, 07:04:56 PM
Rondon wastes his energy because he runs towards the defender with the ball but doesn't pressure him fully, so the pass is easy, then he has to run to the next player.  My guess is he used to playing with at least one other up front so "half pressuring" is useful as there is less likely to be an easy pass on.  There was very little else to watch on Saturday, so I studied him doing this at length  ;)

A one man press rarely works.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on January 26, 2016, 08:17:52 AM
Very few forwards have ever scored more than 10 goals in a Pulis team so forget any notion that Rondon or anybody else will. I have sympathy for Rondon because he is frequently feeding off scraps and most of the time he is not getting to see the ball in the box. Obviously this is a complete contrast to the service he was getting at Zenit.

My view is that you can bolt any player in world onto to the front of a Pulis side and they will struggle. As an aside the much praised creative talents at Palace and Stoke have thus far scored two more goals than us this season. Our squad isn't without attacking talent but our tactics are very negative we accrue points by defending just get used to the idea our forward players work hard but don't score lots of goals.

Rondon he works hard fair enough
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 26, 2016, 10:39:58 PM
I'd be interested to see a statistic on how many of Rondon's shots are actually on target. I can't remember that many.
If he is only getting a low percentage of shots on goal, that  makes the lack of chances being created, an even greater problem. He being the player furthest forward in the formation, where you would expect most chances to fall.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 26, 2016, 10:43:57 PM
I'd be interested to see a statistic on how many of Rondon's shots are actually on target. I can't remember that many.
If he is only getting a low percentage of shots on goal, that  makes the lack of chances being created, an even greater problem. He being the player furthest forward in the formation, where you would expect most chances to fall.

For what it's worth he scores virtually every time in the kick in pre match.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 26, 2016, 10:57:48 PM
I'd be interested to see a statistic on how many of Rondon's shots are actually on target. I can't remember that many.
If he is only getting a low percentage of shots on goal, that  makes the lack of chances being created, an even greater problem. He being the player furthest forward in the formation, where you would expect most chances to fall.
41 shots, 40% accuracy apparently.

For comparison
Berahino: 16 attempts, 64% accuracy
Lambert : 14 attempts, 36% accuracy
Anichebe: 9 attempts, 40% accuracy
Jamie Vardy: 76 attempts, 57% accuracy
Harry Kane : 88 attempts, 66% accuracy
Lukaku : 82 attempts, 48% accuracy

Interestingly
Craig Dawson: 19 attempts, 50% accuracy

and our most accurate?
James Morrison : 24 attempts, 67% accuracy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 27, 2016, 09:58:55 AM
Says it all really, the likes of Kane and Lukaku have twice as many chances than he does and that is down to the set up of the team. He doesn't really stand a chance. I bet there are midfielders, even defenders, for other clubs who have had more chances than Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 10:25:55 AM
The stats are crap anyway in my opinion, you can't compare different types of chances.

How many has he had like West Ham away where he really should have scored? Most of his chances that I can remember have been from outside/edge of the box and quite frankly not the easiest, I think its fair to say he really should have hit the target more but expecting him to score many more would be harsh given the poor chances we are setting him up with.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on January 27, 2016, 10:37:08 AM
41 shots, 40% accuracy apparently.

I must have blinked and missed that......

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 27, 2016, 11:56:05 AM
The stats are crap anyway in my opinion, you can't compare different types of chances.

How many has he had like West Ham away where he really should have scored? Most of his chances that I can remember have been from outside/edge of the box and quite frankly not the easiest, I think its fair to say he really should have hit the target more but expecting him to score many more would be harsh given the poor chances we are setting him up with.
The likes of Kane and Lukaku have no doubt missed chances that were every bit as easy, but they go unnoticed because of the ones they put away.
40% of 40 is 16, so that means he's had less than one shot on target per game. He'd have to be Deadeye Dick to get a decent return on that.
Don't get me wrong, he's not the best striker we ever had, but I think we make him look worse than he is.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 11:58:22 AM
With our midfield and the way we set up in general we could make any striker look crap.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2016, 12:26:40 PM
With our midfield and the way we set up in general we could make any striker look crap.

Berahino didn't look crap last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on January 27, 2016, 12:39:13 PM
Berahino didn't look crap last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.
Have either of them ever played such an isolated role though?
I have to be honest, I can't think of a single striker who would fit our current system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: collins101 on January 27, 2016, 12:49:40 PM
Didn't Saido spend a lot of time out on the wings last season, wasn't a large portion of his goals penalties as well ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on January 27, 2016, 12:52:20 PM
Berahino didn't look crap last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.

This begs the question why was he bought! Surely if you are paying that sort of money for a player somebody should be doing their homework. It seems obvious he is not suited to the way TP sets up, therefore in reality a waste of money (Personally i think he is a good striker who is not being utilised to his strengths).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
Have either of them ever played such an isolated role though?
I have to be honest, I can't think of a single striker who would fit our current system.

The problem with Rondon is that the ball just doesn't stick to him. His touch is poor at times. If he could just hold on to it a bit more then we may just have a chance of getting some players up to support him. Crouch or Walters would do this far better IMO. I was never a big fan of MAF or Long whilst they were here but they would both fare better in this side IMO.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
This begs the question why was he bought! Surely if you are paying that sort of money for a player somebody should be doing their homework. It seems obvious he is not suited to the way TP sets up, therefore in reality a waste of money (Personally i think he is a good striker who is not being utilised to his strengths).

Absolutely. There has been no logic to our recruitment for a long time. We sign 'bodies' in desperation to fill the squad. Whether TP signs players in the hope they do adapt to his style I don't know. It will take a major overhaul of playing staff and playing style to get the best out of Rondon here which lets face it isn't going to happen any time soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 01:04:00 PM
Ive been banging on about this with pulis wasting money,  its becoming more and more apparent.

Look at Ideye Brown, same thing is happening here with Rondon. I feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 27, 2016, 05:39:38 PM
Didn't Saido spend a lot of time out on the wings last season, wasn't a large portion of his goals penalties as well ?
got a fair few from general set pieces too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 27, 2016, 05:57:18 PM
Ive been banging on about this with pulis wasting money,  its becoming more and more apparent.

Look at Ideye Brown, same thing is happening here with Rondon. I feel sorry for him.

Pulls didn't buy Ideye.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 27, 2016, 08:06:52 PM
Berahino didn't look crap last season. Rondon isn't the right man for us. We will never change our style (whilst TP is here anyhow) and Rondon will never create his own chances. A Walters or Crouch would do much better in our side because their all round play is better IMO.

As mentioned by someone else Saido got a fair few of his goals from out wide.

The midfield and general set up are more of an issue than Rondon himself. I agree that he must improve his all round play though I don't think that has been good enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 29, 2016, 10:13:44 AM
From Pulis's press conference this morning...

Tony Pulis took West Brom record signing Salomon Rondon out for dinner to cheer the player up. Not word yet if the Baggies boss wore his baseball cap.

"I took Salomon Rondon and the other South American lads out for dinner this week with their families. Salomon is in good spirits."

So did you pick up the bill, Tony?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on January 29, 2016, 10:15:38 AM
From Pulis's press conference this morning...

Tony Pulis took West Brom record signing Salomon Rondon out for dinner to cheer the player up. Not word yet if the Baggies boss wore his baseball cap.

"I took Salomon Rondon and the other South American lads out for dinner this week with their families. Salomon is in good spirits."

So did you pick up the bill, Tony?
He should take the 20,000 plus that attended the Vile game last Saturday to cheer us up!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on January 29, 2016, 10:47:00 AM
So did you pick up the bill, Tony?

Seriously doubt that JP did anyway, he's still bruised from supplying TP with the old newspaper for his self funded fish supper the other week  ;).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on February 02, 2016, 10:22:35 PM
it was night and day watching Rondon for most of the game up until Saido and Anichebe were brought in to play alongside him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 10, 2016, 08:22:42 PM
It's mind blowing that he is still picking picked as the main striker. He is actively hiding from the ball. Lambert cannot be any worse.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on February 10, 2016, 08:23:26 PM
It's mind blowing that he is still picking picked as the main striker. He is actively hiding from the ball. Lambert cannot be any worse.

Have you seen Lambert live lately!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 10, 2016, 08:34:43 PM
A dead corpse offers a greater threat than Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 10, 2016, 08:43:19 PM
Rondon is utter garbage. Service or no service he offers nowt. Berahino has had no service tonight but still managed 2 shots.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on February 10, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
Rondon is utter garbage. Service or no service he offers nowt. Berahino has had no service tonight but still managed 2 shots.

One of which was from a Rondon knock-down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on February 10, 2016, 10:38:58 PM
A lot of people moaning about service but Rondon always makes the wrong run - comes short when he should go long, goes long when he should come short and makes the long ball look wasted.  Berahino got on the ball far more often.

I seriously think Rondon is our worst striker ever (including De Freitas and Paul Williams).  We didn't even trust him to take a penalty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on February 10, 2016, 10:40:41 PM
Confidence seriously shot, not even up for pens!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:41:15 PM
He has no confidence whatsoever , you can see that a mile off!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 10:43:54 PM
Worse than George Riley
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on February 10, 2016, 10:45:32 PM
Worse than George Riley
No no no ...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 10, 2016, 10:48:09 PM
 >:(
Confidence seriously shot, not even up for pens!

I remember a Venezualan fan coming on here during a previous tie saying that he doesn't usually go forward for penalties anyway. But still, with that little confidence and fans looking for even more ammunition to crucify him if he'd missed he'd be done for here. Fair play to Chester and Poco for stepping up despite not playing much.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 10, 2016, 10:51:03 PM
Worse than George Riley

Hahaha come on guys that's really below the belt
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on February 10, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
A good manager would give him a couple of weeks rest  ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2016, 10:55:49 PM
he looks totally lost, we had a high work rate from him earlier in the season but even that's gone. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 10, 2016, 10:57:11 PM
If he had decent support and the same could be said for berahino you just never know. Pulis turns footballers into zombies. Coffin for pulis
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 10, 2016, 10:59:09 PM
This criticism is way over the top ...worst striker we've ever had ? He's the second best striker currently on our books
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boing_boing68 on February 10, 2016, 11:01:25 PM
This criticism is way over the top ...worst striker we've ever had ? He's the second best striker currently on our books

And that shows why we have scored so few goals this season  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 10, 2016, 11:04:44 PM
No better than Ideye sorry to say and i know this probably have little connection but when he was out thats the best we played.I think he is Pulis's white elephant .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 10, 2016, 11:06:56 PM
Again we felt Mozza's absence....someone to link things together a bit further up the pitch. Our strikers are not the teams biggest problem.
We were a bit better once Sess came on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 10, 2016, 11:10:08 PM
I really want him to do well, but I can't make up my mind whether he's any good or not. He did bugger all all game then has a great bit of control and turns the defender and nearly scored...it's those brief flashes that make me think that there is a good player in there but he needs to do more off the ball.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2016, 11:16:12 PM
I really want him to do well, but I can't make up my mind whether he's any good or not. He did bugger all all game then has a great bit of control and turns the defender and nearly scored...it's those brief flashes that make me think that there is a good player in there but he needs to do more off the ball.
same here I think there a good player in him somewhere, he's proved before he came here he can score goals so maybe its style tactics whatever, he did look tonight like he couldn't be arsed or is he totally shagged.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on February 10, 2016, 11:17:46 PM
Lately there's been no difference between him and Brown Ideye, albeit Ideye cost around £10 million less.

I don't think I'm being optimistic but I'm sure when he arrived for the first few months, Rondon looked much better than his current form. Even though he's never been in among the goals for us, when he first arrived he looked more energetic and sharper.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on February 10, 2016, 11:17:52 PM
We could really do with him getting another three game ban soon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 10, 2016, 11:19:51 PM
He didn't play well today.

But to be fair, the amount of hoofed balls well over his head is a joke. At least 4 times i saw him direct the passer after the fact when a ball was lumped 20 yards infront of him and he's asking for it to feet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
I think that's the worry, he just didn't get into the game tonight and when he could have held the ball up he lost possession, and his passing was woeful.  Would be interested to see his stats for the game. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on February 10, 2016, 11:22:21 PM
He didn't play well today.

But to be fair, the amount of hoofed balls well over his head is a joke. At least 4 times i saw him direct the passer after the fact when a ball was lumped 20 yards infront of him and he's asking for it to feet.
But what does he do with the ball when it comes to his feet?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 10, 2016, 11:27:30 PM
But what does he do with the ball when it comes to his feet?
He cant pass period because he doesnt look up and gives away the ball it happened against Newcastle if he had looked where Saidio was he could have let him through instead he played it right to a newcastle defender in a two on two with newcastle back pedalling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on February 10, 2016, 11:29:14 PM
he was awful tonight,his passing is terrible berahino was calling for the pass on 2 occasions and he tried poor shots,ive never seen him have a decent game with a strike partner,the more he is given the ball the worse he looks,ideye brown was better
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elkiellis on February 10, 2016, 11:30:51 PM
It's mind blowing that he is still picking picked as the main striker. He is actively hiding from the ball. Lambert cannot be any worse.
no mate rondon is better than lambert,a road cone would be as useful as lambert
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 10, 2016, 11:31:01 PM
Wonder why he didn't take a penalty?

It shows what a job we have in summer, assuming we sell Saido, would you really want Rondon\Lambert\Vic as our front players?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on February 10, 2016, 11:48:28 PM
Wonder why he didn't take a penalty?

It shows what a job we have in summer, assuming we sell Saido, would you really want Rondon\Lambert\Vic as our front players?
Spot on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: don1thedon on February 10, 2016, 11:58:26 PM
Gotta be up for a pen! A Shadow of what we bought
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: graka on February 11, 2016, 12:24:52 AM
Wouldn't get in any other prem team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 11, 2016, 12:30:14 AM
Wonder why he didn't take a penalty?

It shows what a job we have in summer, assuming we sell Saido, would you really want Rondon\Lambert\Vic as our front players?
HELL NO
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 01:07:54 AM
Think the bloke is suffering as a result of us not getting forward to help him. Not prepared to write him off after half a season, give the bloke time to adjust fully to this country as well as the football here before writing him off.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 11, 2016, 01:48:41 AM
The bigger concern now is over the last few games his head seems to have gone down early in the season he seemed to be happy to chase after lost causes now he just seems worn down by it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2016, 02:43:59 AM
I wish a 2 yard open goal headed chance had fell to him...  :-X
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: sidsockett on February 11, 2016, 08:04:08 AM
Spot on.

I just think we're not providing him with right type of penalty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on February 11, 2016, 08:09:49 AM
I wish a 2 yard open goal headed chance had fell to him...  :-X

It pretty much did at west ham
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie953 on February 11, 2016, 09:17:22 AM
To me he looks disheartened, no smile on his face, confidence low and playing in a team bereft of creativity!

In the right team I think he will be a good striker so I would stick with him.

Very surprised he didn't take a spot kick though, I thought he would jump at the chance!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BB74 on February 11, 2016, 09:24:33 AM
But can he do it on a cold February night in Peterborough?

No he can't  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 09:28:22 AM
He just doesn't look good enough to me.  Seems like a decent poacher in the 6 yard box but his all round game isn't strong enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on February 11, 2016, 09:30:02 AM
Everyone is saying in the right team he can be a good striker and I don't really want to write him off yet after only 6 months but what attributes have people seen in him to say he can be a good striker?

He can't win a header, the ball seems to bounce off him when it comes to him, he loses the ball when runs at players, he has very little pace or strength, has missed sitters when he has had a chance which have cost us points and his passing doesn't look too good especially based in the last two games.

I know that sounds harsh but be seen nothing from him at all except that he works quite hard.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on February 11, 2016, 09:57:58 AM
Think the bloke is suffering as a result of us not getting forward to help him. Not prepared to write him off after half a season, give the bloke time to adjust fully to this country as well as the football here before writing him off.
Agree with what your saying Oldbury regarding giving him time to adjust to this country. However, surely we should of gave Ideye another season to settle in this country, because for me I feel Ideye had more to offer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on February 11, 2016, 10:02:07 AM
Everyone is saying in the right team he can be a good striker and I don't really want to write him off yet after only 6 months but what attributes have people seen in him to say he can be a good striker?

He can't win a header, the ball seems to bounce off him when it comes to him, he loses the ball when runs at players, he has very little pace or strength, has missed sitters when he has had a chance which have cost us points and his passing doesn't look too good especially based in the last two games.

I know that sounds harsh but be seen nothing from him at all except that he works quite hard.

To be honest I think most people's opinions are based on what he has done at his previous clubs particularly Zenit where he had something like a 1 in 2 goal ratio, plus a little of what we have seen earlier this season.

I have to say the more the season goes on the worse he looks, but I also think there is a good player in there he just needs some confidence and a lot more supply.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 10:04:26 AM
Agree with what your saying Oldbury regarding giving him time to adjust to this country. However, surely we should of gave Ideye another season to settle in this country, because for me I feel Ideye had more to offer.

I agree we should have given Ideye more time, its a totally different culture to get used to not just the football, some take to it easy, some need time.

Its yet another player who bangs goals in until he joins us and then they dry up, happened with quite a few over the years.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: M666EYS on February 11, 2016, 10:06:42 AM
Never mind comparing him to Brown Ideye, hes looking more and more like Fabien DeFreitas.

We shouldnt have spent 12m in a a player who offers us very little.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on February 11, 2016, 10:24:53 AM
He looks completely shot of all confidence...but lets look at the team and setup he is in.

He is often isolated up front...he'd need a set of binoculars to see another Albion player at times. He knows that often when the ball is lamped up to him, he will have no Albion players around him to support. In terms of chances, he gets one or two a game - most strikers will get at least double that per game...she he knows when one chance comes, it might be his only chance - could explain why he's a bit snatchy. Basically the service he gets is dreadful, almost non-existent!

The way he trudged off at half time against Swansea suggests he is completely fed up - his confidence will bound to have been affected by all of this.

His performances of late haven't been good enough, and we need to see an improvement, however it is difficult for any striker in a Pulis team, as we simply don't set up to effectively utilise a centre forward!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 10:26:56 AM
Talking to a neutral friend last night and he reckoned Rondon was the worst player on the pitch and didn't look a professional footballer.

The problem with blaming it on the tactics is that there's time when he has the ball under control and can't make simple passes, or he's expected to hold it up, and it just bounces off him.  Doesn't matter what the tactics are those are the basics.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 11, 2016, 10:41:23 AM
The best we have looked since christmas was when Rondon and McClean were suspended.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: palmaroy on February 11, 2016, 10:49:40 AM
The best we have looked since christmas was when Rondon and McClean were suspended.
Thats very true.The Newcastle and Stoke games we were miles a better Team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 11, 2016, 11:32:27 AM
I honestly think that is coincidental.....we played well against Spurs when both were playing.

We seemed to be pushing higher up the pitch for a few games with Fletcher carrying the ball forward more.
Since beating Stoke we've been back to sitting deep as if we have the preset attitude of 'make sure we get a point'.

Also since then we've had the cup distractions and replays and a growing injury list.

 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 11, 2016, 11:49:40 AM
Talking to a neutral friend last night and he reckoned Rondon was the worst player on the pitch and didn't look a professional footballer.

The problem with blaming it on the tactics is that there's time when he has the ball under control and can't make simple passes, or he's expected to hold it up, and it just bounces off him.  Doesn't matter what the tactics are those are the basics.

I completely agree. I just don't see any positives to his game. His turn and shot late in the game last night is what I want to see more of but doubt I will. Having watched many of his goals on line they all seemed to be 6 yard box tap ins. He won't get that kind of service here therefore we cannot accommodate a forward who's all round game is poor.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tylerm on February 11, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
any else notice last nights commentator called him Jose Rondom
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 11, 2016, 01:13:19 PM
feed him like the horse and he might score
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on February 11, 2016, 01:21:26 PM
any else notice last nights commentator called him Jose Rondom
His name is Jose Salomon Rondon, but is always known as Salomon.

Can't stand Jonathon Pearce anyway so usual have the sound off
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
feed him like the horse and he might score

I think somebody has been feeding him like a horse.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 11, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
Another question - how many decent crosses for our CF to attack do we average in a game from open play ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on February 11, 2016, 02:45:56 PM
any else notice last nights commentator called him Jose Rondom

There's a lot of posters on this very forum who spell it that way too.
 :-X.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 02:46:47 PM
No idea, not many I imagine, but I'm not judging on his inability to get on the end of crosses.  I'm basing it purely on what he's doing when he gets the ball.  When he hasn't got the ball there's not a lot he can do, but when he does have it, it's down to him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on February 11, 2016, 02:58:56 PM
No idea, not many I imagine, but I'm not judging on his inability to get on the end of crosses.  I'm basing it purely on what he's doing when he gets the ball.  When he hasn't got the ball there's not a lot he can do, but when he does have it, it's down to him.

I'd have to disagree that there's not a lot he can do without the ball.  His movement off the ball is shocking.  I know a lot of people on here think we just hoof it aimlessly forward but we don't.  The team will be instructed to put the ball into certain areas of the pitch (as do Leicester) The number of times last night and in previous games that he was nowhere near the ball is shocking.  It is no coincidence that when Sic Vic plays he appears to get better service - he doesn't - he just anticipates better.  Even Berahino who appeared sluggish last night got on the end of long balls more often.  For me this is the worst aspect of his game by far.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 03:04:19 PM
Oh, yeah, I agree, I just wouldn't want to judge him *that* harshly on it.  If the cross is poor it's not always his fault for not being on the end of it.  When he's got the ball though, and can't play a simple 6 yard pass, that's his fault every time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on February 11, 2016, 03:09:03 PM
Oh, yeah, I agree, I just wouldn't want to judge him *that* harshly on it.  If the cross is poor it's not always his fault for not being on the end of it.  When he's got the ball though, and can't play a simple 6 yard pass, that's his fault every time.

Agreed - doesn't get in the right position and when he does you wish he didn't.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on February 11, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
He has made a few mistakes. no more nor no less than any other players in this club. He has scored a few goals, missed a few and showed a few flashes of ability whilst without support, so for me still early days. Like all strikers he needs to have confidence and from the youngest supporter through all of the professional staff tto the oldest of old farts like me there is very little of that at this club. However I completely disagree about his movement. He is often the only one showing for a forward pass and by the time it comes it is usually nowhere near him or virtually uncontrollable with a defender up your jack, his only option has been to knock it on or back with his first touch. Accuracy is hardly ever good in these conditions and usually there is nobody close enough to be in support anyway. Yes the ball to SB could have been better, but SB has missed a few as well and there should have been at least one other Albion player following in. Rondon has looked a far better player when we keep a higher line and get a few more men forward, but the biggest problem is we have very few players if any who can control and consistently hit a good pass at any time.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kendo on February 11, 2016, 03:54:38 PM
Sorry but , how much longer are we going to try with him. No control, can,t hit a barn door. drifts in and out of games, ( mostly out ) and it seems like another waste on money all down to our wonderful scouting system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 11, 2016, 04:25:01 PM
Sorry but , how much longer are we going to try with him. No control, can,t hit a barn door. drifts in and out of games, ( mostly out ) and it seems like another waste on money all down to our wonderful scouting system.
I think we have to carry on unless Berahino looks interested.  I'd go with Berahino as first choice, then Rondon, then Anichebe, then the tea lady, then the dead cat under the Halfords, then Lambert.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggyman68 on February 11, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
Berhino and Rondon need to start. Only with game play can they get to know what runs to make and how to work together effectively.
They both seemed better when sessegnon came on last night. He seemed to link up the defensive midfield we had with the forwards.
 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on February 11, 2016, 04:37:27 PM
I still feel for the bloke.

Gone from Witsel and Hulk assisting him to our plodders.

He will fire, at some point, erm....I hope.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2016, 04:43:39 PM
I like him, but he has been going down hill and is gathering momentum at the moment.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on February 11, 2016, 06:04:22 PM
I think his movement is good a lot of the time. Regarding Saturday's bad pass to Saido....it was Rondon's run initially that set up this move. On the TV sound you can hear the shout of 'Daws', Dawson put in an excellent ball but unfortunately Rondon messed up the pass to Saido.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2016, 06:16:59 PM
I think his movement is good a lot of the time. Regarding Saturday's bad pass to Saido....it was Rondon's run initially that set up this move. On the TV sound you can hear the shout of 'Daws', Dawson put in an excellent ball but unfortunately Rondon messed up the pass to Saido.

Confidence. He shouldn't have been trying to pass to Berahino, he should have just scored himself. Needs a little scoring run no matter how lucky to get him going again.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2016, 08:42:09 PM
I think we have to carry on unless Berahino looks interested.  I'd go with Berahino as first choice, then Rondon, then Anichebe, then the tea lady, then the dead cat under the Halfords, then Lambert.
How long is the dead cat out for?, might need him for the run in..
I think Rondon has showed touches , he had a very good turn and shot last night but has some have said his service is poor.
Now I know not many agree with me , but look at the runs we have had with Myhill vs Foster, I've never denied foster is a good shot stopper and arguably better at commanding the area, but the distribution is woeful , which in turn means we sit further back and are giving it away and getting under pressure quicker, I mentioned it elsewhere and got told to "wobble my head" which is nice and respectful, most won't agree but it's my opinion that we actually look safer and stronger generally with Myhill in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2016, 10:39:26 PM
No striker is going to get a lot of Premier League goals under Pulis,  doesn't mean that they are all no good. Only on one occasion under Pulis, in the top flight ,has a striker got into double figures for the season.  :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 11, 2016, 10:42:35 PM
No striker is going to get a lot of Premier League goals under Pulis,  doesn't mean that they are all no good. Only on one occasion under Pulis, in the top flight ,has a striker got into double figures for the season.  :o

Could be argued Saido got 7 in half a season last year under him. I'm happy to wait for Rondon to play in his second season in English football. You don't have his previous record and reputation without being a player. If it still doesn't work out next season, well these things happen, Shevchenko was poor in the PL but a wonderful striker overall.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 11, 2016, 11:18:15 PM
No striker is going to get a lot of Premier League goals under Pulis,  doesn't mean that they are all no good. Only on one occasion under Pulis, in the top flight ,has a striker got into double figures for the season.  :o

Just to be pedantic its twice  ;) 08/9 and 11/12
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on February 11, 2016, 11:25:44 PM
Could be argued Saido got 7 in half a season last year under him. I'm happy to wait for Rondon to play in his second season in English football. You don't have his previous record and reputation without being a player. If it still doesn't work out next season, well these things happen, Shevchenko was poor in the PL but a wonderful striker overall.
True, look at falcao too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2016, 08:57:52 AM
Just to be pedantic its twice  ;) 08/9 and 11/12
Oops, you're not wrong. Fuller 11 and Crouch 10, and in between Etherington 5 :o, Jones 9, followed by Walters 8.

Rondon has done quite well to bag what he has in his first 6 months of English football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 13, 2016, 05:28:49 PM
Rondon's 4th goal away from home this season and our 4th 1-0 win.

(Stoke, Norwich, Bristol City & now Everton)

Granted this one was an ultra-tap-in, but he's been forced to chase so many pointless long balls, an easy one is well earned!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2016, 05:31:44 PM
Thought he looked better Today , put up a good physical battle
Possibly getting used to England ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on February 13, 2016, 05:39:09 PM
Thought he looked better Today , put up a good physical battle
Possibly getting used to England ?

Slightly better but still doesn't do enough for me. His touch and passing are terrible at times. I thought Anichebe held it up much better when he came on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 13, 2016, 05:41:48 PM
Grafted today and worked hard, pleased he got some luck. Does three times what Berahino does. His hold up play was decent today and brought others into the game. Don't get the criticisms of his passing .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on February 13, 2016, 06:00:17 PM
Slightly better but still doesn't do enough for me. His touch and passing are terrible at times. I thought Anichebe held it up much better when he came on.
A bloke who can't run though , each to their own ...... :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ripryan1971 on February 13, 2016, 06:26:44 PM
In the 2nd half Rondon chased a ball and shoulder barged Jags to win a throw in. So he wanted to use his strength there to good affect.

What i don't get is, so many times the ball comes up to him, and just has to back in, and hold it up, and lay it off, however he will lose it cheap or a poor pass lets him down. Its about keeping the ball and just letting the defence have a breather from all the pressure. He can do it, as i've seen it in glimpses, he has to do it more often.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on February 13, 2016, 06:46:53 PM
I think with more creativity around him, he could be a success. At the moment he is feeding of scraps and that is hard to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on February 13, 2016, 06:56:47 PM
Sublime finish today and worked very hard as usual. He'll have to wait a few more games now for his next chance to score.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 13, 2016, 07:06:50 PM
He followed in to score.
He is learning how the PL works.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on February 13, 2016, 08:12:01 PM
Far better today. Was in the right place at the right time for the goal, and generally looked a lot stronger and meaner than previously. Still improvements to be made, but today was a glimpse of a hopefully brighter future for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on February 13, 2016, 08:35:37 PM
Good position for the goal today as he was vs Swansea. The juries still out for me after the Newcastle and Posh games were he looked poor, but at least lately he's looked more of a threat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on February 13, 2016, 09:34:00 PM
Thought he looked a lot better today and whether of his a$$ or his chest they all count and it might spur him on.

Fair play to him long may it continue
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on February 14, 2016, 06:34:40 PM
According to transfermarkt rondon is scoring 1 every 3.5 games roughly. Think that's a good return for his first season in English football. If he can get to 10 this season then we can consider him a success surely? Next season with hopefully a few more creative players in the team I can see him becoming a real force
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on February 14, 2016, 09:42:39 PM
Think there is a good player in there. First season in English football, he will grow into his role. Also feel bad for him, he can only score if he's given chances. In our system he's working on scraps.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 14, 2016, 09:49:09 PM
According to transfermarkt rondon is scoring 1 every 3.5 games roughly. Think that's a good return for his first season in English football. If he can get to 10 this season then we can consider him a success surely? Next season with hopefully a few more creative players in the team I can see him becoming a real force
he'd be the third striker in the PL to get double figures under Tony, so yes it'd be a superb season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 27, 2016, 11:25:21 PM
With showings like today against Crystal Palace he may just prove to be worth £12million
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on February 27, 2016, 11:35:40 PM
Desperately unlucky to not get the goal for the first. Good shot and led the line fantastically
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Lloydy on February 28, 2016, 09:04:44 AM
Not his biggest fan but he was the best player on the pitch yesterday, fantastic performance. He now needs to make sure that is how he plays every week, not just once in a blue moon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on February 28, 2016, 09:19:28 AM
It was his leading of the line that caused them so many issues, runs in behind to create space for Berahino. Held the ball well and bullied the centre backs.

If he plays like that every game or at least 2 in every 3 then ill be happy

I just really badly want him to score some goals as people will judge him on that which after yesterdays performance would not be right.

Brilliant yesterday my MOTM
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on February 28, 2016, 09:31:04 AM
Given support against Palace and look at the difference , could see quality in him last night and for me was man of the match. Movement was fantastic , support and balls to feet he's a different player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 28, 2016, 09:38:28 AM
Berahino will get plaudits for his goal but I Rondon's input into that was vital.  Held the ball up and gave it to Sess. Then his quick spin in behind meant not only the CH marking him had to give chase but the othere one came across too. This was just enough for Sess to play the ball over onto Berahino. What a peach of a pass.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on February 28, 2016, 09:48:57 AM
The three (Rondon, Berahino and Sessegnon) were magnificent.

Rondon has quality and if people give him time he'll be a big asset for us. It's been difficult for him, first season in the Premier League, loads of travelling internationally, a lot of time battling away on his own with little to no support just long balls banged in his general direction. I think he's done pretty well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on February 28, 2016, 10:22:12 AM
I knew with half decent service and players within 30 yards of him he would show us what he is capable of and that he isn't another 'Brown Ideye' like some people have claimed so I'm so chuffed by his fantastic performance. If we continue with those tactics we could potentially have a front three that is up there with the mighty Stokelona's  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggiejohn on February 28, 2016, 12:15:10 PM
I thought he did ok yesterday, but I'd prefer to see him more in the middle. With Saido pushing balls through the channels, Rondon would get loads of goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on February 28, 2016, 12:32:42 PM
All comes down to playing to feet. For a large portion of yesterday we weren't hoofing it up to him. Into feet him Sess and Bera looked awesome playing off each other.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 28, 2016, 02:57:34 PM
Don't think he did much different to what he has done many times this season, only difference is we got players around him quicker than we usually do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on February 28, 2016, 03:48:55 PM
Don't think he did much different to what he has done many times this season, only difference is we got players around him quicker than we usually do.

Totally agree. IF Rondon had had any support this season he'd have been registring far more in the goals and assists columns.

Watching people on twitter & FB slate him when he's beem forced  to watch balls sail over his head has been very annoying.

He's not as skilful as a Odemwingie/Lukaku/Saido in their pomp. But he is good, he is strong and he will score if given any ammo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 28, 2016, 06:07:51 PM
Rondon certainly was much stronger yesterday I liked the way he knocked the palace defenders around. I feel with more confidence he can score and create more goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggie79 on February 28, 2016, 07:37:38 PM
Absolutely outstanding yesterday, best performance so far!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionDaz on February 28, 2016, 08:03:06 PM
Totally agree. IF Rondon had had any support this season he'd have been registring far more in the goals and assists columns.

Watching people on twitter & FB slate him when he's beem forced  to watch balls sail over his head has been very annoying.

He's not as skilful as a Odemwingie/Lukaku/Saido in their pomp. But he is good, he is strong and he will score if given any ammo.
I feel the same too,its like we are watching a different game,when I see the nastiness spouted on social media.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 28, 2016, 08:32:13 PM
Absolutely outstanding yesterday, best performance so far!
The way he controlled the ball off Dawson and layed it off for Sess in the build up to Saido's goal showed what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on February 28, 2016, 08:36:41 PM
Very unlucky not to score with the first Goal, Hennessey made a good save.

Nice to see how much better he looks when he has support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 28, 2016, 08:49:20 PM
Best performance of the season.

Touch was much better and so was his movement. Didn't get bullied easily too. As mentioned above - the fact we actually got bodies near him meant we could use him effectively. It was noticeable how quick we played into Saido and Rondon before getting the ball wide.

I hope as a side we can build on that and not take a few steps backwards.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 29, 2016, 11:43:35 AM
Best performance of the season.

Touch was much better and so was his movement. Didn't get bullied easily too. As mentioned above - the fact we actually got bodies near him meant we could use him effectively. It was noticeable how quick we played into Saido and Rondon before getting the ball wide.

I hope as a side we can build on that and not take a few steps backwards.

Having people up with him, means we can get forward faster and makes defences less able to organise.
From the time Dawson hit the ball forward to Solomon until Saido netting it was what? 5-6 seconds?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on February 29, 2016, 12:47:36 PM
The key is getting players around him. Breaking the third goal down you can see the difference that it makes the clip of the goal on the match day thread from behind the goal demonstrates it perfectly.

Firstly Dawson fires are fairly brisk ball out of defence to Rondon who does well to control it. He moves the ball out to Sess and makes a run down the right hand channel. Berahino has made the run into the gap that this has opened up and is critically ahead of Rondon. This gives Sess two possible passes and presents the Palace defence with two balls they need to cover. Sess takes on the more difficult of the two options and Saido scores.

The brisk  pass out of defence to Rondon has has been a feature of our game it's probably a 60/40 ball at best and to his credit has probably controlled more of them than we have the right to expect, but too frequently the support is not there to lay it off.

Even when there is someone close enough to him to lay it off to no one makes the run ahead of him and ball gets fed down the channel and the defence can get across to him and the best we can hope for is a corner. In this instance had Sess gone with ball down the channel Saido was already in the box and Sess was close enough to join in the play again giving the player on the ball two options.

On face of it the goal was all about the ball from Sess to Saido and his finish, but Rondon played a massive part and we could have better used his talents this season by just being a little bit more adventurous at times
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on February 29, 2016, 12:59:53 PM
The key is getting players around him. Breaking the third goal down you can see the difference that it makes the clip of the goal on the match day thread from behind the goal demonstrates it perfectly.

Firstly Dawson fires are fairly brisk ball out of defence to Rondon who does well to control it. He moves the ball out to Sess and makes a run down the right hand channel. Berahino has made the run into the gap that this has opened up and is critically ahead of Rondon. This gives Sess two possible passes and presents the Palace defence with two balls they need to cover. Sess takes on the more difficult of the two options and Saido scores.

The brisk  pass out of defence to Rondon has has been a feature of our game it's probably a 60/40 ball at best and to his credit has probably controlled more of them than we have the right to expect, but too frequently the support is not there to lay it off.

Even when there is someone close enough to him to lay it off to no one makes the run ahead of him and ball gets fed down the channel and the defence can get across to him and the best we can hope for is a corner. In this instance had Sess gone with ball down the channel Saido was already in the box and Sess was close enough to join in the play again giving the player on the ball two options.

On face of it the goal was all about the ball from Sess to Saido and his finish, but Rondon played a massive part and we could have better used his talents this season by just being a little bit more adventurous at times

good analysis, and here's the rub,

a little bit more adventurous at times  Why TP has not had the confidence in his players to allow them to be adventurous (up until now) is quite baffling.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 29, 2016, 01:18:39 PM
good analysis, and here's the rub,

a little bit more adventurous at times  Why TP has not had the confidence in his players to allow them to be adventurous (up until now) is quite baffling.


Berahino sulk and non performance.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on February 29, 2016, 01:21:32 PM
good analysis, and here's the rub,

a little bit more adventurous at times  Why TP has not had the confidence in his players to allow them to be adventurous (up until now) is quite baffling.

Sessegnon being inconsistent. Trying an extra turn and losing the ball instead of putting in a good delivery.
Berahino finally getting over his personal issues. Apparently saying sorry and performing like the £25m player he's supposed to be.
Rondon needing the time to adapt to the English league. For a while he's had a winter break so his body has had no real recovery period this season.
Fletcher able to play further forward without the wide players losing possession to much.

It all adds up. Pulis didn't decide to not attack just to wind you up  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on February 29, 2016, 01:30:43 PM

Berahino sulk and non performance.

This This This.

Like it or not Berahino has looked disinterested and unfit for most of the season.  He knuckles down for a few weeks, changes his attitude (hopefully) and then having a £15m-20m striker up top means we get to be more adventurous.

If we'd have played the same tactics as Saturday but with Anichibi up top with Rondon instead we'd have struggled just because Berahino offers so much more. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 01, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
Sorry I don't accept the lazy narrative it's all Saido's fault. It doesn't have to be Saido it could equally have been Morrison before he was injured and the plain fact that even when they are on the pitch Sess or McLean have often been too deep to take the initial lay off, this is where countless similar situations have broken down.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 01, 2016, 09:32:18 AM
None of those players you mention are going to play as far forward as Berahino.  And I think without Sess as well we wouldn't have looked so threatening.  It's not the only thing, I also think the week's rest plus playing a Palace side on a poor run of form contributed.

No one can doubt that Berahino looked far more like his old self.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on March 01, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
Sorry I don't accept the lazy narrative it's all Saido's fault. It doesn't have to be Saido it could equally have been Morrison before he was injured and the plain fact that even when they are on the pitch Sess or McLean have often been too deep to take the initial lay off, this is where countless similar situations have broken down.

Valid point, maybe could have looked at other options. The problem is none of those players are anywhere near as good as Saido. He is literally head and shoulders above the rest of the squad. So it really does matter how he plays for us to be more adventurous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 01, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Valid point, maybe could have looked at other options. The problem is none of those players are anywhere near as good as Saido. He is literally head and shoulders above the rest of the squad. So it really does matter how he plays for us to be more adventurous.

The point where it matters that it's Saido is when the ball arrives in the box at that point I would back him ahead of any other player at the club to score, but the basic movement and set up does not require Saido to be on the pitch. You could swap Sadio for Sess in the 10 role, but then who else is capable of delivering the ball that found Saido? Chris Brunt perhaps but not from that phase of play if he's at left back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 01, 2016, 10:53:23 AM
Sorry I don't accept the lazy narrative it's all Saido's fault. It doesn't have to be Saido it could equally have been Morrison before he was injured and the plain fact that even when they are on the pitch Sess or McLean have often been too deep to take the initial lay off, this is where countless similar situations have broken down.

I certainly was not suggesting it's all Saido's fault, but to get the full offensive picture, you need all the pieces of the jigsaw in place, in the absence of Morrison, Saido became vital.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 01, 2016, 11:23:55 AM
I certainly was not suggesting it's all Saido's fault, but to get the full offensive picture, you need all the pieces of the jigsaw in place, in the absence of Morrison, Saido became vital.

Its true. In January we were screaming out for a central attacking midfield player as we only had/have two players who can play there - Morrison and Berahino, the former injured and the latter unfit/disinterested.

Without a number ten we were hopelessly lost going forward. It wasnt only Rondon that was completely isolated. Mcclean and Sess were too.

I think Pulis/Saido/Peace all have to share blame for that problem, but now we have a motivated Berahino back, I only expect more promising and exciting things from our front 4, like we saw on Saturday, especially from Rondon.

(this is when all 4 play woefully tonight and I look like a huge idiot  :P)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: darbolina on March 01, 2016, 11:29:53 AM
Rondon would score more in a team which creates more chances in my opinion. Sess, CMc, McClean, Morrison and now Pritchard are all attack minded players who if they'd featured more together (in spite of Berahino's absence) would've helped to create more chances for Rondon I'd expect. All ifs and buts of course............


Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on March 01, 2016, 11:57:43 AM
Maybe just maybe now we are "safe" well nearly we can expect a bit more adventure. Well certainly at home.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 01, 2016, 12:02:35 PM
Rondon would score more in a team which creates more chances in my opinion. Sess, CMc, McClean, Morrison and now Pritchard are all attack minded players who if they'd featured more together (in spite of Berahino's absence) would've helped to create more chances for Rondon I'd expect. All ifs and buts of course............

I think that's the law of averages
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on March 01, 2016, 01:49:40 PM
I think that's the law of averages

But that's half the point really - a lot of other strikers in the prem will score more goals because they have more chances created for them. Rondon has been lucky to get 1 or 2 per game. So whilst some knock Rondon's goal return, it is difficult for him to be prolific as he gets far fewer chances than other prem strikers!

A lack of chances could also explain Rondon being snatchy in front of goal...if you know you are going to get so few chances, it adds pressure to the chances you finally get!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on March 01, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
None of those players you mention are going to play as far forward as Berahino.  And I think without Sess as well we wouldn't have looked so threatening.  It's not the only thing, I also think the week's rest plus playing a Palace side on a poor run of form contributed.

No one can doubt that Berahino looked far more like his old self.
we played at Chelsea without saido and put just as good an attacking display on as we did against palace so someone was getting forward and threatening, it was a midweek game as well so tiredness didn't affect us that night. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 01, 2016, 09:46:53 PM
Superb tonight, starting to really settle in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on March 01, 2016, 09:55:45 PM
doesn't look tired any more!!!immense really enjoyed his tussle with Morgan
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on March 01, 2016, 09:58:36 PM
He looks so much better when he has some support next to him. Starting to look like he's going to be a huge asset next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on March 01, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
loved the way he shrugged Huth aside for his goal too
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on March 01, 2016, 10:37:28 PM
Now he has found some confidence and is getting some support. you can see that he's a hell of a good player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on March 01, 2016, 10:38:00 PM
He looks so much better when he has some support next to him. Starting to look like he's going to be a huge asset next season.
certainly looks like he's enjoying it the last couple of games, maybe its because he's got a team mate within earshot instead of being billy no mates.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 02, 2016, 06:46:47 AM
Should have shocked the world from six yard out but hey give credit where it's due a wonderful all round performance.He is now establishing himself has a physical force look how he bullied two giants Huth and Morgan.Well taken goal as well, I like when Albion players prove me wrong well done Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 02, 2016, 06:54:16 AM
It looks, hopefully, that he's starting to get to grips with the Premiership.
I think we will have a player next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on March 02, 2016, 07:54:14 AM
Could always tell he had that bit of quality about him, but never really had support at times.

Last couple of games hes had Sess and Saido by him and he looks a different player.

Think back to West Ham away aswell when Lambert was brought on and it boosted Rondon.

Think if we can stay close to him up top, he will continue to look a threat.

His work ethic is tremendous.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albion79 on March 02, 2016, 02:36:15 PM
Rondon is looking like the striker i read about, not many knock Huth about but he did for the goal and his hold up play was very good, he won some balls and then got the 2nd ball when he had no right too on a few occasions.

I think his work rate for a biggish bloke is very good and with that little bit of support from Sess and Saido he looks up for it, it helped too that he got a couple of poachers goals v Swansea and Everton, after he missed some sitters earlier this season, those 1 yard tap ins will of helped his confidence a lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 02, 2016, 02:49:43 PM
He looks like he has sharpened up as he seems to have found a bit more pace
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on March 02, 2016, 03:49:12 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a few offers come in for him in the Summer window.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 02, 2016, 05:56:14 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a few offers come in for him in the Summer window.
If he start scoring we might lose him because that kind a work rate and brute force is unprecedented
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 03, 2016, 07:03:20 AM
Leceister fans are drooling over Rondon his dominance over their defence mainly Huth and Wes left them in awe.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 03, 2016, 11:51:14 AM
I posted a while back that it's hard to settle in at a new club a new country a new house getting family settled a new language expectation of a big money signing etc you try it just moving jobs! I always thought the way he shapes up and leads the li e he's fearless and has a lot more skill than some realise he does need a partner who will be found in the summer and I think he's the sort who appreciates the fans and the club he's also got a little mean streak in him,I think he could become a great.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on March 03, 2016, 06:51:41 PM
If anyone does bid it will be 20mil minimum... I still find it crazy our top two are worth 45mil+..

Now they playing together they do look like a partnership...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 03, 2016, 08:34:02 PM
Slightly ironic that one of his best performances comes at Leicester where he could have been compared to Heskey on a good day  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on March 03, 2016, 08:36:42 PM
I loved his battle in the corner with Morgan. He managed to bully one of the strongest centre backs in the league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: CL3MO on March 03, 2016, 08:40:44 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if a few offers come in for him in the Summer window.

From who? He's had a few good games but struggled for most of the season (in a defensive team ok). Can't see anybody coming in for anymore than the 12 mill we signed him for.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboyfred on March 03, 2016, 09:49:33 PM
considering the way we play most of the time , he is starting to do a great  job and if he can play at that level for the last ten games a maybe pop in a few more , I think we may see something a bit special next season, especially if he gets a bit more support, but he is at least starting to look like a 12m man
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 04, 2016, 06:42:48 PM
Three more goals this season and he'll have 10, which for a guy in his first year in England and especially in a team who have been ultra defensive a majority of the time would be a highly respectable return.

If he gets 4, then that'll be ten in the league, again, very good.

This is entirely plausible seeing as he's scored in 3 of the last 5 games and been heavily involved in 2 of our other goals in that period.

As long as we approach a decent chunk of games in an attacking style I predict he'll get 15+ next season. Well worth the money in the modern market.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MICKYMEL on March 06, 2016, 06:00:44 PM
Cross the ball in , stop lumping it to his throat from 50 yards .
That's all we asked


Now look
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on March 06, 2016, 06:06:50 PM
That's 4 in the last 6 now.

Buying the best gun in the world is useless unless you buy the ammo.

Really glad it's working out for him now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gazberg on March 06, 2016, 06:09:07 PM
He's worked so hard all season for little reward and now we are giving him a helping hand the goals are flowing.

Well done.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on March 06, 2016, 06:16:52 PM
The lad come in for a lot of stick really pleased we are seeing  him now with a bit of confidence he will be immense next season .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 06, 2016, 06:17:33 PM
Fantastic today. Especially impressive as he got no help at all from Berahino who was awful.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 06, 2016, 06:24:03 PM
His confidence grows every game

Really pleased that he's starting to show what we paid big money for  :)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on March 06, 2016, 06:27:10 PM
Great finish today. Worked hard and starting to look a lot fitter too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: gerry m on March 06, 2016, 06:30:32 PM
Glad to see he is growing in confidence and now we will reap the benefits. delighted for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: koren on March 06, 2016, 06:40:09 PM
7 goals now, 9 games to go, I think he can hit double figure by the end of season, well done Salomon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 06, 2016, 06:51:34 PM
Just shows that a bit of patience helps at times. Too much expectation and demands of immediate impact these days
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on March 06, 2016, 07:00:10 PM
Could have chosen to hide a bit after a few tussles with Smalling but never stopped showing for the ball and was pretty immense.
Nice to see Lambert giving him a hug going down the tunnel - he seems popular with the others in the squad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 08:59:58 PM
Whilst Saido's game was a bit off today,  this pair are a real handful for opposition defenders. Crucially, it gives them something to really think about, and it gives us a real outlet especially with Fletcher pushing further upfield.

Delighted for Rondon in particular.  He really looks like he is now enjoying his football.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 06, 2016, 09:16:41 PM
Whilst Saido's game was a bit off today,  this pair are a real handful for opposition defenders. Crucially, it gives them something to really think about, and it gives us a real outlet especially with Fletcher pushing further upfield.

Delighted for Rondon in particular.  He really looks like he is now enjoying his football.

I think that's another thing that having Saido in there brings us.   It helps take the focus off Rondon, if we were only playing one up top today, Smalling would have had Rondon in his pocket.  Now with those two and Sess (I think it might actually be impossible to tackle Sess), we can occupy their defensive players giving Fletch and Garner time to get forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on March 06, 2016, 10:49:09 PM
If Rondon keeps playing like he did today, then we are very likely to see some serious bids coming in for him in the summer!

In all seriousness, Berahino will be gone and we need to spend wisely to replace him.  Who do we think would be ideal (and realistic) to buy to play alongside Rondon? 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 06, 2016, 11:41:58 PM
I've said all season that he looks a good player but he has been starved of anything resembling decent service (imagine Olsson hoiking 50 yard passes in your general vicinity all season) but not many agreed with me.

Shocking how we start playing to his strengths and he looks a world beater. The reputation he has in South America in an awful Venezuela side speaks volumes
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 06, 2016, 11:57:33 PM
If Rondon keeps playing like he did today, then we are very likely to see some serious bids coming in for him in the summer!

In all seriousness, Berahino will be gone and we need to spend wisely to replace him.  Who do we think would be ideal (and realistic) to buy to play alongside Rondon? 

Ideally think we would get the best out of him as the central player in a front 3 I am not necessarily suggesting Naismith but that is the sort of player that I would be looking to try and bring in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BaggiesFacts on March 07, 2016, 09:13:43 AM
Good to see him getting the all round recognition he deserves.

I think a few of us have seen he has the potential, as well as his past record, which speaks for itself.

Yet some on here, only a few weeks ago called him 'utter garbage' as well as saying that 'a dead corpse offers more'.

If that's the case, let's hope we sign a few more garbage players who play as well as a dead corpse would.

He will get past 10 for the season, not bad in a team that has played in the style we have for most of it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on March 07, 2016, 09:54:19 AM
I always thought he looks a good player,the way he looks around him when he receives the ball and he's a goalscorer will become a legend,I like his mean streak as well.
HE LEAPS LIKE A SALAMON!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 07, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
The change in the last few weeks has been quite remarkable. I was one who was starting to have doubts about him but since the shackles have been released he has been really impressive. He doesn't appear to be shrugged off the ball easily anymore and he's a better footballer than many give him credit for. Hopefully this spell continues for a while longer yet because with the way we play its vital we have someone who can hold up the ball and bring others into play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on March 07, 2016, 10:39:55 AM
Superb performance from Rondon, gave his absolute all, if Berahino has put in half as much effort yesterday we may have scored a few more
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on March 07, 2016, 11:20:46 AM
Superb performance from Rondon, gave his absolute all, if Berahino has put in half as much effort yesterday we may have scored a few more

Possibly slightly harsh on Berahino. They clearly picked him as the one to mark and press which gave rondon options up the pitch. It was too late by the time they realised Rondon was the threat.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on March 07, 2016, 11:25:35 AM
Superb performance from Rondon, gave his absolute all, if Berahino has put in half as much effort yesterday we may have scored a few more
Berahino put a fair old shift in, he was closing players down when we didn't have the ball and he was also making runs to give Rondon space.  A game or two ago Berahino ran the most out of all the players on the pitch and made the most sprints.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2016, 11:32:06 AM
Berahino put a fair old shift in, he was closing players down when we didn't have the ball and he was also making runs to give Rondon space.  A game or two ago Berahino ran the most out of all the players on the pitch and made the most sprints.

Seemed quite the opposite for some reason yesterday to the point an exasperated Rondon, spread his arms apart to the static Berahino as if to ask what he was playing at.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on March 07, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
Seemed quite the opposite for some reason yesterday to the point an exasperated Rondon, spread his arms apart to the static Berahino as if to ask what he was playing at.
If it's the time I was thinking of he was asking the ref for a free kick. Rondon and bera get on very well. Bera was poor by his standards but I think his work rate was still high enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on March 07, 2016, 12:13:45 PM
Rondon was outstanding yesterday. I thought it was the best all round performance from an Albion "number 9" for years. We have an absolute diamond in him and now he's settled and gt a bit of support he looks a proper striker.

Berahino wasn't at his best yesterday but nobody plays well every single game.

Over the last few weeks we're actually looking a decent side and the football we're playing is nowhere near as bad as some like to make out.

Pulis is doing a grand job and us fans should be feeling pretty happy right now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 07, 2016, 12:28:48 PM
If he carries on this way come the end of the season the big boys may come sniffing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 07, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
If he carries on this way come the end of the season the big boys may come sniffing
Leceister fans want him next year .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on March 07, 2016, 03:38:35 PM
Leceister fans want him next year .

Leicester fans are also talking about people like Griezmann  :o

Then in the next breath saying Walcott and Oxlade-Chamberlain are not good enough for them

Im starting to dislike them now after willing them all season, I hope they get knocked off their perches finish in 4th, get champions league, go out in the qualifiers and have a dreadful season next year
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on March 07, 2016, 04:08:29 PM
Leceister fans want him next year .

I said the big boys. I'll be surprised if they can replicate next year what they have done this year.
They could be back to earth next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on March 07, 2016, 04:41:25 PM
Leicester fans.................Im starting to dislike them now

It was only ever a matter of time.
 ;).
Tossers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: garry on March 07, 2016, 04:51:05 PM
I said the big boys. I'll be surprised if they can replicate next year what they have done this year.
They could be back to earth next season
I loved the comment on MOTD2 last night - "they (Leicester) will be near the top for quite a few seasons yet".
My money would be on a bottom half finish next season - one season wonders.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on March 07, 2016, 05:25:59 PM
Leicester like it or not armed an extra £40m of champions league money plus the status participation confers on a club they could raid us for players like Rondon. Although in truth the people running things at Leicester are a lot smarter than their fans so they might not go on a totally mental shopping spree in which case I don't think we need to worry too much about Rondon. Johnny Evans on the other hand might be a different kettle of fish. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: JoseVen on March 11, 2016, 02:12:37 PM
Here friends back.

I'm surprised Salomon spoke ill of his slump, when he played only up to several meters from their peers.

Since entering Berahino and formed the trident along with Sessegnon, Salomon has been much better.

There is no defense that can melee with Salomon. If not Ask the bigs of Leicester.

An Argentine journalist in south america reputation, said that if salomon scoring 8 goals in the season with this team with his defensive play, Salomon would become the new Latin American superhero.

Well, I am no more Spider-Man fan.


( De vuelta por aqui amigos.

Me sorprende que hablaran mal de Salomon en su mala racha, cuando jugaba solo arriba a varios metros de sus compañeros.

Desde que entró Berahino y formó ese tridente junto con Sessegnon, Salomon se ha visto mucho mejor.

No hay defensa que pueda cuerpo a cuerpo con Salomon. Si no preguntenle a los grandotes del Leicester.

Un periodista Argentino de reputacion en sur america, decia que si salomon anotaba 8 goles en la temporada con este equipo con su juego defensivo, Salomon se convertiria en el nuevo superheroe latinoamericano.

Pues, ya no soy mas fanatico del Hombre araña. )
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on March 11, 2016, 02:19:18 PM
Leicester like it or not armed an extra £40m of champions league money plus the status participation confers on a club they could raid us for players like Rondon. Although in truth the people running things at Leicester are a lot smarter than their fans so they might not go on a totally mental shopping spree in which case I don't think we need to worry too much about Rondon. Johnny Evans on the other hand might be a different kettle of fish.

salomon , kettle of fish, very clever
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 12, 2016, 09:42:43 AM
Here friends back.

I'm surprised Salomon spoke ill of his slump, when he played only up to several meters from their peers.

Since entering Berahino and formed the trident along with Sessegnon, Salomon has been much better.

There is no defense that can melee with Salomon. If not Ask the bigs of Leicester.

An Argentine journalist in south america reputation, said that if salomon scoring 8 goals in the season with this team with his defensive play, Salomon would become the new Latin American superhero.

Well, I am no more Spider-Man fan.


( De vuelta por aqui amigos.

Me sorprende que hablaran mal de Salomon en su mala racha, cuando jugaba solo arriba a varios metros de sus compañeros.

Desde que entró Berahino y formó ese tridente junto con Sessegnon, Salomon se ha visto mucho mejor.

No hay defensa que pueda cuerpo a cuerpo con Salomon. Si no preguntenle a los grandotes del Leicester.

Un periodista Argentino de reputacion en sur america, decia que si salomon anotaba 8 goles en la temporada con este equipo con su juego defensivo, Salomon se convertiria en el nuevo superheroe latinoamericano.

Pues, ya no soy mas fanatico del Hombre araña. )

Estoy de acuerdo contigo amigo. La manera que pulís le utiliza no me ha sorprendido que no ha marcado. Estaba sólo, nuestro equipo juegó sin ambición y idea. él apareció muy lento y más como un burro que un futbolista. Con berahino y sessengon, tiene apoyo y él parece un jugador totalmente diferente. Es futre y rápido y no tengo dudas que va marcar más en este sistema. Todo depende con las tácticas del entrenador. Espero que me entiendas, no he hablado español durante mucho tiempo.

I agree with you. The way in which he has been utilised by Pulis didn't suprised me that he didn't score. He was alone, the team played with out idea and ambition and rondon looked very slow and more like a donkey than a football player. With Berahino and sessengon he ha support and looks a totally different player. Hes strong he's fast and I have no doubts he will score more in the new system.it all depends on the active of the manager.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: macc_baggie on April 01, 2016, 07:55:32 AM
Good article on Rondon, discussing some of his life back home and so on. Comes across well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2016, 08:30:36 AM
Good article on Rondon, discussing some of his life back home and so on. Comes across well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela)
Thanks for the link, interesting article. Must be a very difficult way to live with limited contact with your wife and kids just to protect them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 01, 2016, 09:12:47 AM
Good article on Rondon, discussing some of his life back home and so on. Comes across well.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/31/salomon-rondon-interview-caracas-life-city-chaos-west-brom-venezuela)

Why can't some of the local journalists write decent articles like this????
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 01, 2016, 11:30:51 AM
he certainly has the right attitude I think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 01, 2016, 12:26:33 PM
he certainly has the right attitude I think.

Great attitude on and off the pitch. Reminds me a lot of Lukaku when he was with us. If the fans and manager treat him right, we could have a real long term star on our hands.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Tank on April 01, 2016, 07:04:06 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: leeiswba on April 01, 2016, 07:15:40 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole

I was thinking the same myself!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on April 01, 2016, 08:28:39 PM
I'm pretty sure that massive spider from Arachnophobia was from Venezuela. Fictional or not it's a good enough reason to leave  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on April 03, 2016, 06:35:11 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole
I have a friend in Venezuela. She is not allowed to leave the country except in special circumstances.
It is still run like a dictatorship.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on April 05, 2016, 01:24:00 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole

from the sounds of it he'd have to smuggle them out of the country. which in itself with people he'd need to deal with to do so is more dangerous than leaving them where they are.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: johnny Cash on April 05, 2016, 01:32:37 PM
If I was on £50k per wk. I'd have my wife and family over here.  Why leave them in what sounds like a hell hole

I don't think he is necessarily saying his wife and children don't live with him in the UK. I think he could mean visiting parents etc, and not being allowed to be seen with his wife, or his brothers and sisters  whilst back in a city he grew up in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on April 26, 2016, 08:02:31 AM
Great second half yesterday, seemed to win everything. Very unlucky that lloris pulled off a world class save against him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on April 26, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
Should have scored the header?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 26, 2016, 09:58:33 AM
Should have scored the header?

Should certainly have hit the target. When you are likely to have very few chances in a game you need to be a little sharper.  The jury is still out for me regarding Rondon, we desperately need to get some support around him next season as he can't do it all on his own.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on April 26, 2016, 10:11:00 AM
Thought he held the ball up really well 2nd half & his distribution was a lot better.
He needs help & i hope we sort some out for him next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on April 26, 2016, 10:47:57 AM
Should have scored the header?

Difficult header he was a little two far infront of the post when the cross came in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on April 26, 2016, 10:51:29 AM
He definitely needs support as his hold up play is very poor at times. His control lets him down often and he rarely wins any balls in the air that are knocked long to him. A pacy man alongside him may help but personally I'm still not convinced by him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on April 26, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
Superb 2nd half last night, everything you want your centre forward to do in terms of hold up play and bringing the midfield in to add support to our attacks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: brummyroader on April 26, 2016, 03:15:49 PM
To be frank being to lone striker in a TP team is the hardest job in the league (apart from Villa keeper), he's had a very respectable and promising first season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: teaguey on April 26, 2016, 04:17:03 PM
His touch does appear poor at times, such as the first half. But I am a fan, a real fan and I wish we could give him a better supply. I recall his goal v leicester, where he was offered it along the deck and we all know the rest. I think he could be great if our supply wasn't always so 'Direct' (lofted over) and was more calculated.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on May 01, 2016, 04:58:28 PM
Any idea where he's gone the past few months ?  He had began to a look player but now seems to have gone backwards again we yet another poor home performance yesterday.

An season not too dissimilar to Ideye last year.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on May 01, 2016, 06:38:28 PM
Far more presence than Ideye ever had. A pretty decent 1st season in the prem and hope for more with some better ammunition next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: maccbaggie on May 01, 2016, 07:22:40 PM
In a side which creates more chances (West Ham, Southampton, etc) he'd comfortably get 12-15 goals in a season (just see his career history).

No striker would thrive when put into a team playing our current style.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 11, 2016, 08:55:56 AM
Rondon will be changing to number 9 next season from number 33. Interesting we didn't have a registered number 9 this season, Brown Ideye wore the shirt the year before.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/rondon-to-become-albions-new-number-nine-3105754.aspx
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 11, 2016, 09:37:33 AM
Rondon will be changing to number 9 next season from number 33. Interesting we didn't have a registered number 9 this season, Brown Ideye wore the shirt the year before.

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/rondon-to-become-albions-new-number-nine-3105754.aspx

I imagine the squad numbers have to be confirmed before the season starts early August and Ideye was still here until the end of that month so would have kept it at the time with Rondon having the number 33 confirmed, not sure if you can change them after the season starts or not.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 11, 2016, 11:42:29 AM
I imagine the squad numbers have to be confirmed before the season starts early August and Ideye was still here until the end of that month so would have kept it at the time with Rondon having the number 33 confirmed, not sure if you can change them after the season starts or not.

Good point, I didn't realise we didn't sell Ideye until 31St August, thought he'd gone long before then
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on May 11, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
I imagine the squad numbers have to be confirmed before the season starts early August and Ideye was still here until the end of that month so would have kept it at the time with Rondon having the number 33 confirmed, not sure if you can change them after the season starts or not.

Aguero I changed from 16 to 10 once Dzeko had left, he then paid for all the city fans who had already brought an 'aguero 16' shirt to have a new one
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 11, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
Aguero I changed from 16 to 10 once Dzeko had left, he then paid for all the city fans who had already brought an 'aguero 16' shirt to have a new one

Aguero took the number 10 before the season officially started so a slightly different situation to Rondon and Ideye. I assume City were confident the move away for Dzeko was imminent as it was less than a week later he left whereas there was probably less certainty from us that Ideye would leave at the time the numbers were registered.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 12, 2016, 05:14:50 PM
I always assumed Rondon took 33 as a holdover while waiting and seeing whether McAuley would remain with the team since the number he really wants is 23. It's a lot easier from a marketing standpoint to drop 33 than 9 for 23.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on May 17, 2016, 11:53:11 AM
Another good display. Was great and Bournemouth and again on Sunday. Finished the season really well and the amount he's got with little supply and boring tactics is a good achievement not to be overlooked.

Get someone close to him next season and he will score 15+
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on May 17, 2016, 12:49:13 PM
Overall i'm more than happy with Big Ron saying its been his 1st season in the prem where he had to quickly get up to speed with the squad while also playing & traveling for his country.
Well done mukka, with a bit of luck next season we will have brought players into our squad that can feed & support you then
15-20 goals would easily be within your grasp.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 17, 2016, 01:15:28 PM
He is head and shoulders above what else we have in the strikers' department.
I can see him being poached when another team come calling and offer a few ££££'s in front of JP.
The playing management must play to his strengths and not just the occasional hoof up to him.
Encourage him to want to remain here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 17, 2016, 05:12:00 PM
He is head and shoulders above what else we have in the strikers' department.
I can see him being poached when another team come calling and offer a few ££££'s in front of JP.
The playing management must play to his strengths and not just the occasional hoof up to him.
Encourage him to want to remain here.

I had a Chelsea fan tell me if he was running things Rondon would be one of his priorities. Difficult to see that happen but I was surprised to hear that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 17, 2016, 05:19:15 PM
He is our top scorer this season with 10 goals, and lets be fair he ran around like a headless chicken to start with because we were not providing him with the service, and he was getting used to life in the Premier.
He now seems to have become settled in the PL, and service is improving, so I think he could be nearer to 20 goals next year......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on May 17, 2016, 06:34:47 PM
No way will he get 20 goals for us IMO. Firstly I can't see him getting the service and secondly he just doesn't look clinical enough.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on May 17, 2016, 06:48:17 PM
No way will he get 20 goals for us IMO. Firstly I can't see him getting the service and secondly he just doesn't look clinical enough.

I agree. Certainly need a partner for him next season who could also look to get around 10 goals. That and the midfield chipping in with a few and I'd be happier
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on May 18, 2016, 12:25:04 AM
I don't believe Rondon has ever had a 20-goal season so that's something to keep in mind. He's in his prime though but I don't foresee the club making the kind of immediate turn around that can take a player from 10 to 20 goals.

Then again Saido did just go from 20 to 7  :-\
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on May 18, 2016, 07:25:45 AM
Pulis has never had a striker who has scored more than 12 goals in a season. If you look at the stats Rondon is getting 2 shots a game whereas a Harry Kane is getting 4 Rondon's and Kane's shot accuracy is about 50%. If we swapped the two players we would get similar results.

Talking about a 20 goal striker in a side that will do well to score 40 goals in a a season is just silly.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on May 18, 2016, 08:12:36 AM
I actually said that he could get nearer 20 goals, not that he will get 20..... he has done well to get 10 this year IMO given the appalling service he has received......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on May 18, 2016, 08:20:35 AM
if we can get a good no 10 alongside rondon I think he's capable of getting 15 goals. in his first season in England its not a bad return so far and he's outscored some decent players who've  cost a fortune , and we all know what little service he's had in many games. 
sturridge
rooney
mbokani
ayew
de bruyne
bojan
mata
pedro
Gomez
ozil
some big names there so he's done ok for me.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on May 18, 2016, 08:29:37 AM
if we can get a good no 10 alongside rondon I think he's capable of getting 15 goals. in his first season in England its not a bad return so far and he's outscored some decent players who've  cost a fortune , and we all know what little service he's had in many games. 
sturridge
rooney
mbokani
ayew
de bruyne
bojan
mata
pedro
Gomez
ozil
some big names there so he's done ok for me.

You cant really qoute majority of those players though as they all play in different positions, the only strikers on that list are Sturridge (whos been injured for 70% of the season) Rooney (whos been injured and converted to a deeper role) and Mbokani.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on May 18, 2016, 08:38:32 AM
You cant really qoute majority of those players though as they all play in different positions, the only strikers on that list are Sturridge (whos been injured for 70% of the season) Rooney (whos been injured and converted to a deeper role) and Mbokani.
I agree they are not all strikers, but he's scored as many as benteke and carroll.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 18, 2016, 12:09:21 PM
10 goals in his first season; in a side as negative and unenterprising as ours, with Gardener and McLean being your supply line for much of it is nothing short of miraculous. If he had signed for West Ham or Southampton he would have scored 15-20 goals and been spoken about as one of the transfer coups of the season.

Well done Solomon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on May 18, 2016, 12:17:28 PM
10 goals is a great return from the Salomon as the previous post states having such low service and still getting that amount is fantastic.

Get him the right supply and he will score much more.

My boss is an Arsenal fan and STH and he was impressed with him at the Emirates.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Doobuy on May 18, 2016, 01:59:05 PM
he would score 15 plus goals a year for most teams. with our posession stats, our lack of delivery into the box, and lack of penetration generally - he has an excellent retrurn. i would not be surprised if another team came in with a big offer for him -
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adamstv on May 18, 2016, 08:37:18 PM
10 goals is a great return from the Salomon as the previous post states having such low service and still getting that amount is fantastic.

Get him the right supply and he will score much more.

My boss is an Arsenal fan and STH and he was impressed with him at the Emirates.

Living in Leicester and surrounded by Leicester fans they were drooling over his performance against them at the King Power.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on May 30, 2016, 05:14:38 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/)

Great man.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ComebackStrodds on May 30, 2016, 05:41:36 PM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2016/05/30/west-broms-salomon-rondon-pays-for-92-year-olds-life-changing-surgery/)

Great man.

What a guy, she's got her whole life ahead of her now to look forward to at 92
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on May 30, 2016, 08:51:11 PM
What a guy, she's got her whole life ahead of her now to look forward to at 92

..... I bet you're a pleasure to know.....

Nice one Salomon. Hope he gets 15+ for us next season and then a move to a cup winning team. He's a good lad.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on June 06, 2016, 10:16:32 AM
Didnt look particular good last night in the Copa America against Jamaica.

Two moves of note though and both had in hand in chances created, one leading to the winning goal.

Expect more than two quality moves a game from him.

Rooting for him though in the cup and Gamboa.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 06, 2016, 07:38:52 PM
Didnt look particular good last night in the Copa America against Jamaica.

Two moves of note though and both had in hand in chances created, one leading to the winning goal.

Expect more than two quality moves a game from him.

Rooting for him though in the cup and Gamboa.

Looked like he had less support from his teammates than he gets here the poor sod.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 07, 2016, 06:28:55 AM
I'm hoping Tone will get him a supply chain for next season.
I'm hoping for great things from Salomon next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Bigrob80 on June 08, 2016, 12:37:04 AM
Agreed! He has had a fantastic first season in the premier considering the lack of supply, etc, etc.
He has put a shift in for us even when he had no delivery! I really hope we can get some better service/help for him next season so he can flourish into the goal scorer he has been before!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 10, 2016, 06:34:00 AM
He scored the only goal of the game against Uruguay in the Copa America last night, only a relatively simple tap in after an early outrageous shot from the right winger. Through to the Quarter Final with a game to spare but he did limp off injured in the second half so hopefully it isn't anything serious.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 10, 2016, 06:36:20 AM

Report

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-watch-venezuela-stun-uruguay-1-0-close-in-on-last-eight-berth-in-copa-america-centenario-2221884?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wbasoprano on June 10, 2016, 11:34:26 AM
Report

http://www.dnaindia.com/sport/report-watch-venezuela-stun-uruguay-1-0-close-in-on-last-eight-berth-in-copa-america-centenario-2221884?

Good lad Rondon. Glad I didn't back Uruguay now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on June 10, 2016, 12:10:42 PM
https://streamable.com/d39h (https://streamable.com/d39h)

Clip of the goal. Good instincts but what an effort from the other player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on June 10, 2016, 12:21:04 PM
Strikers goal...great instincts

Cant wait too se him in action next season think he will be a big player next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: t76 on June 10, 2016, 01:27:10 PM
If only he had someone to feed him,he would double his goals.Hope his hamstring heals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on June 10, 2016, 01:42:13 PM
Hoping this good run of goals for country will see him come to pre-season full of confidence and raring to go. Like others say, we need creatives in the team and we need them early so we can hit the ground running before frustration sets in for him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 10, 2016, 02:02:34 PM
Hoping this good run of goals for country will see him come to pre-season full of confidence and raring to go. Like others say, we need creatives in the team and we need them early so we can hit the ground running before frustration sets in for him.

and us
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 02:08:28 PM
He's only ever going to score tap ins which makes it vital that we get some quality in around him as his all round game isn't great. We could do with another Odemwingie type player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 10, 2016, 02:14:43 PM
https://streamable.com/d39h (https://streamable.com/d39h)

Clip of the goal. Good instincts but what an effort from the other player.
from some research he is Alejandro Guerra. 30 years old midfielder (cam but can play out wide) from Caracas (as is Rondon) he's still playing in Venezuela for Athletico Nacional, signing for them a year ago and has 50-odd national caps, scoring 6 goals.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 10, 2016, 02:28:43 PM
He's only ever going to score tap ins which makes it vital that we get some quality in around him as his all round game isn't great. We could do with another Odemwingie type player.

Think you're being a bit harsh on him. He scored a great goal against Liverpool and has had a couple of decent headers. He has often shot from the edge of the box(hasn't scored mind!). Seems like the kind of player that likes the ball played in front of him to run onto or to his feet.

Agree about us needing another Odemwingie type though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 10, 2016, 02:37:29 PM
He's only ever going to score tap ins which makes it vital that we get some quality in around him as his all round game isn't great. We could do with another Odemwingie type player.

Liverpool and Leicester were excellent goals off the top of my head he's also very good in the air.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on June 10, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
I would be quite happy with our main striker not scoring from outside the box all season if he was picking up 20 odd tap-ins. The goals that aren't tap ins make good highlights reels but any striker's goals are going to be predominantly close range and relatively straight forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2016, 04:28:54 PM
Think you're being a bit harsh on him. He scored a great goal against Liverpool and has had a couple of decent headers. He has often shot from the edge of the box(hasn't scored mind!). Seems like the kind of player that likes the ball played in front of him to run onto or to his feet.

Agree about us needing another Odemwingie type though.

Agree with this. We certainly don't utilise his strengths. He's already made comments about playing with his back to goal and most of his play being outside of the box. His first touch and control does need to improve for me though.

Liverpool and Leicester were excellent goals off the top of my head he's also very good in the air.

They were so I hope we can supply him more of the same through balls. I agree that his heading is decent in the box but from our usual long punts he rarely wins anything.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on June 10, 2016, 09:31:25 PM
Liverpool and Leicester were excellent goals off the top of my head he's also very good in the air.

Rondon went past Huth as if he wasn't there  :o

Hope we can keep hold of him - would be an ideal fit for Leicester in Europe next season  ::)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggies_24 on June 10, 2016, 09:36:18 PM
We'd be doing Rondon a massive disservice if Craig Gardner and McClean are the ones  supplying him again next season. There were flashes last season where he was unplayable, fingers crossed he kicks on next season and we get some quality players around him and I can certainly see him getting close to 15 goals next season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 10, 2016, 11:01:52 PM
Scored again, tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on June 10, 2016, 11:22:45 PM
from some research he is Alejandro Guerra. 30 years old midfielder (cam but can play out wide) from Caracas (as is Rondon) he's still playing in Venezuela for Athletico Nacional, signing for them a year ago and has 50-odd national caps, scoring 6 goals.

semi good research here. Atletico Nacional are in Colombia and he's adored by fans there. Definitely not premier material though.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 11, 2016, 12:17:23 AM
semi good research here. Atletico Nacional are in Colombia and he's adored by fans there. Definitely not premier material though.
my mistake, I was going by teeny tiny flags and (with the greatest respect) alot of them look similar.  :-[
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 11, 2016, 06:16:18 AM
Rondon has shown he is more than capable of doing a job for us, we should at least give him the tools that allows him to do that job to the best of his abilities
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on June 11, 2016, 08:19:39 AM
George Mills of the Daily Star obviously has a massive dislike for Rondon. I can't paste with my phone, but you can find the article on Newsnow.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 11, 2016, 10:47:54 AM
George Mills of the Daily Star obviously has a massive dislike for Rondon. I can't paste with my phone, but you can find the article on Newsnow.

Here you go chap.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: fatboy_coach on June 11, 2016, 10:56:16 AM
Here you go chap.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/522113/Salomon-Rondon-scores-disappointing-goal-Venezuela-Uruguay-halfway-line-shot-Muslera-save)

What a miserable piece of journalism, did Rondon run over his cat or something?

"The ball then bobbles out to the onrushing Rondon who scuffs a disappointing strike into the back of the net completely unworthy of the incredible passage of play fans had just witnessed." - F*ck me, do all goals now have to be approved for quality?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on June 11, 2016, 11:02:25 AM
What a miserable piece of journalism, did Rondon run over his cat or something?

Miserable, up his own arse, knob end of a self loving horny handed wrist twitcher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Downunder Stripes on June 19, 2016, 04:44:42 AM
Rondon goal v Argentina.

https://streamable.com/9ivv
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on June 19, 2016, 06:24:46 AM
A striker has to have a supply route to score.
Said it before he's good enough, give him the tools he'll do the job. Hope he comes back next season full of it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 19, 2016, 11:38:25 AM
I honestly think Rondon is about at the top end of players we can expect to sign.

Get two lads that can help him on the attacking front and he will "improve" dramatically on last season (10 goals in a very negative team) by simply having ammo, like others have said.

I may get a Venezuela shirt with Rondon on now!? He had a good Copa by the end.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on July 12, 2016, 11:14:01 AM
I'm looking forward to see what he can do next season when we get a supply up to him and a bit of support.
It could be do or die this season for Ron. He's had his honeymoon and the benefit of the doubt period.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AshD on July 12, 2016, 11:25:14 AM
In all fairness to him, he got around 10 goals in a team which created very few chances. Most strikers would struggle with the support we offer at times!

I think if we can get more crosses into the box and more players around him, he will get goals aplenty!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 12, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
I'm looking forward to see what he can do next season when we get a supply up to him and a bit of support.
It could be do or die this season for Ron. He's had his honeymoon and the benefit of the doubt period.

me too. I think having Matt Phillips will help with him getting chances, if we can get someone in of equal or better quality on the left then I can see Rondon getting around the 16 goal mark.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on July 12, 2016, 11:42:58 AM
Sneaky feeling he will hit 20 goals in all comps next season
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2016, 11:44:30 AM
just play to his strengths tony pulis
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on July 21, 2016, 11:47:35 PM
anyone else pleasantly surprised with his FK goal today? I imagine it's something they've tinkered with this summer and I wonder if he'll get opportunities like that during the season.

Who does usually take FKs for the squad? Gardner?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Baggies on July 21, 2016, 11:56:35 PM
Only Gardener yeah Vrabbit. It would be good if he could provide some competition for our set pieces, but it has surprised me that he never takes ours (Or Venezuela's, Zenit's) penalties.

Maybe he should?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on July 22, 2016, 11:29:57 AM
He hit the ball with power & his placement was flawless (just clipping the post) a impossible save for any keeper on any day. Give him a go at taking some this season makes good sense to me.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 22, 2016, 12:46:19 PM
Sneaky feeling he will hit 20 goals in all comps next season

Has a player ever got 20 goals in a season in a Tony Pulis team? I'd be surprised.

The lad is proving he's better with his feet than he is with his head, but that won't stop us hitting the ball up into the air in his general direction this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on July 22, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Has a player ever got 20 goals in a season in a Tony Pulis team? I'd be surprised.

The lad is proving he's better with his feet than he is with his head, but that won't stop us hitting the ball up into the air in his general direction this season.

Carl Asaba (22) and Ade Akinbiyi (22) got over 20 goals when Pulis was a lower league manager.

While he's been Premier League manager there's been nobody. Same for Hughes while at Stoke too.

Pulis: Fuller (11) Jones (12) Walters (12, 11, 11) Crouch (14)
Hughes: Diouf (12) Walters (11) Crouch (10, 10) Arnautovic (12)

There's no reason why Rondon can't get 15 goals if he takes over penalty duty.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on July 22, 2016, 05:23:07 PM
He hit the ball with power & his placement was flawless (just clipping the post) a impossible save for any keeper on any day. Give him a go at taking some this season makes good sense to me.
you mean instead of gardner & brunt.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 22, 2016, 07:41:40 PM
you mean instead of gardner & brunt.

hopefully Gardner will be on the pitch mostly as a sub, so Rondon will share free kick duties with Brunt (once he's fit). To be fair to Gardner though it's good for a team to have a selection of decent free kick takers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: saml30 on July 22, 2016, 09:21:24 PM
Along with his free kick last night I was delighted with his ball to set up Saido against kiddy, worth a look if you've not seen it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 23, 2016, 04:16:07 PM
Carl Asaba (22) and Ade Akinbiyi (22) got over 20 goals when Pulis was a lower league manager.

While he's been Premier League manager there's been nobody. Same for Hughes while at Stoke too.

Pulis: Fuller (11) Jones (12) Walters (12, 11, 11) Crouch (14)
Hughes: Diouf (12) Walters (11) Crouch (10, 10) Arnautovic (12)

There's no reason why Rondon can't get 15 goals if he takes over penalty duty.

So no player had scored 20 goals in a Pulis team in the Premier League. Therefore the likelihood of Rondon doing it - when we only scored 34 league goals last season - is somewhere in the region of nil.

For the record, twenty goal a season strikers for a team of our level are rare, not just in a Pulis team. But to expect the lad to score double what he did last season in a team that doesn't score a goal a game is expecting too much imo.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 23, 2016, 04:39:15 PM
64 times a player has scored 20+ goals in the PL in 24 seasons. Henry(5), Shearer (7), Van Nistelrooy (4), Aguero, Ferdinand(3) and RVP, Fowler, JFH, Kane, Drogba, Suarez, Wright, Rooney (2). These players make up nearly 50% of the times it's happened.

20 a season is what fans of Top 4 sides want of their £30m+ strikers.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 24, 2016, 01:12:06 AM
64 times a player has scored 20+ goals in the PL in 24 seasons. Henry(5), Shearer (7), Van Nistelrooy (4), Aguero, Ferdinand(3) and RVP, Fowler, JFH, Kane, Drogba, Suarez, Wright, Rooney (2). These players make up nearly 50% of the times it's happened.

20 a season is what fans of Top 4 sides want of their £30m+ strikers.

Good numbers there Scooby.

I don't think anyone is thinking an Albion player will be getting 20 league goals anytime soon, especially under Pulis! But 15-20 inc cup goals would be a possible and very good target. Should Rondon stay firt I expect him to get 10+ because I think he's a solid player and about the best we can hope for. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on July 29, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
Salomon Rondon a shock target for Barcelona
link    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/29/report-west-bromwich-albion-star-salomon-rondon-a-shock-target-f/

Were in the sh-t if he goes  :o >:(
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 29, 2016, 01:36:09 PM
Salomon Rondon a shock target for Barcelona
link    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/29/report-west-bromwich-albion-star-salomon-rondon-a-shock-target-f/

Were in the sh-t if he goes  :o >:(


50 million should do it
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on July 29, 2016, 01:40:19 PM
Salomon Rondon a shock target for Barcelona
link    http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/29/report-west-bromwich-albion-star-salomon-rondon-a-shock-target-f/

Were in the sh-t if he goes  :o >:(

Almost as ludicrous as the Leon Best to sign for us rumour.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on July 29, 2016, 01:41:17 PM

50 million should do it

My understanding is that they are looking for a backup forward & i've no idea how much a backup forward fetch's these days but £50 seems over the top.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on July 29, 2016, 01:41:53 PM
A Spanish footy Mag named a huge list of "potential" targets Barca could get in to act as backup for the starting superstars.

There is zero actual work behind this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on July 29, 2016, 02:16:25 PM
A Spanish footy Mag named a huge list of "potential" targets Barca could get in to act as backup for the starting superstars.

There is zero actual work behind this.

Agreed it's a load of sh*te, but imagine he left along with Berahino and we start against Palace with Lambert up front  :o ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Scruffy Stan on July 29, 2016, 02:26:55 PM
Agreed it's a load of sh*te, but imagine he left along with Berahino and we start against Palace with Lambert up front  :o ;D

That would be OK -Palace defenders would be doubled up laughing and we'd sneak the win.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 29, 2016, 04:04:30 PM
Almost as ludicrous as the Leon Best to sign for us rumour.
Although unrealistic I wouldn't have said it was on that scale if ludicrous; Rondon has scored goals in La Liga at a very respectable rate, 25 in 60 odd games.  Best just got released from Rotherham United.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 17, 2016, 08:54:22 PM
This article reckons we only paid £6.5m for Rondon.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/845039031?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 17, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
This article reckons we only paid £6.5m for Rondon.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/845039031?-11200:789:0

Is that not the fantasy league cost
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on August 17, 2016, 09:09:30 PM
you would think with it being the official premier league site that they would at least have the correct info.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bradleysrocket on August 18, 2016, 07:48:08 AM
you would think with it being the official premier league site that they would at least have the correct info.
It is the correct info, the article is directly about his performance in the Fantasy football style game. 6.5mill is what it costs to have him in your 'dream team'.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WestBromJim on August 18, 2016, 01:15:39 PM
64 times a player has scored 20+ goals in the PL in 24 seasons. Henry(5), Shearer (7), Van Nistelrooy (4), Aguero, Ferdinand(3) and RVP, Fowler, JFH, Kane, Drogba, Suarez, Wright, Rooney (2). These players make up nearly 50% of the times it's happened.

20 a season is what fans of Top 4 sides want of their £30m+ strikers.

You forgot Sir Kevin Phillips, I'm sure he banged in over 30 one season for Sunderland
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 18, 2016, 02:07:59 PM
You forgot Sir Kevin Phillips, I'm sure he banged in over 30 one season for Sunderland

Yep, 1999-2000 season top PL scorer with 30 for Sunderland.

Back to Rondon apart from the prestige of being a Barcelona player, he is better staying in the most watched league in the world (and playing for the best club in it) :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 01, 2016, 12:54:54 AM
my dude will once again have crap service for at least half a season then be hated on by a number of fans for not being on pace to score 20 goals.

great
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: DivinePast on September 01, 2016, 01:14:12 AM
I suggest wrapping Rondon in some bubble wrap during every break to keep him healthy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 01, 2016, 07:52:15 AM
If we have to rely on rondon for goals we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: VVVAlbion on September 01, 2016, 08:09:37 AM
If we have to rely on rondon for goals we are in trouble.
We don't rely on Rondon for goals, we rely on set pieces  ;)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stokelad84 on September 01, 2016, 08:16:53 AM
my dude will once again have crap service for at least half a season then be hated on by a number of fans for not being on pace to score 20 goals.

great

That's why Phillips and Chadli have been brought in. A holding midfielder would not have created more chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on September 01, 2016, 09:25:17 AM
That's why Phillips and Chadli have been brought in. A holding midfielder would not have created more chances.
A holding midfield player who's a good distributer can lead to more chances being created, especially on the counter.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on September 01, 2016, 01:14:04 PM
If he gets injured we are left with a striker who doesn't want to be here and HRK :(
Going to the Etihad and Old Trafford with Robson Kanu as the lone striker...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: bangkokbaggie on September 01, 2016, 01:17:59 PM
Safe to say now that he is nailed on for the striker role until January.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2016, 01:19:06 PM
Safe to say now that he is nailed on for the striker role until January.

Which in itself breeds complacency. Let's hope he doesn't get injured or go through a bad spell like last season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on September 01, 2016, 01:24:35 PM
Safe to say now that he is nailed on for the striker role until January.

That now a big problem in itself. He's still not really proved himself consistently at this level and is very hit a miss (excellent at Palace but poor since) but now he has no competition for his place.
He was way off the pace in the second half Saturday and seemed to give up at times which is another concern regarding how much of his heart is in the lone striker role.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 01, 2016, 06:00:19 PM
That now a big problem in itself. He's still not really proved himself consistently at this level and is very hit a miss (excellent at Palace but poor since) but now he has no competition for his place.
He was way off the pace in the second half Saturday and seemed to give up at times which is another concern regarding how much of his heart is in the lone striker role.

I wasn't able to watch the Everton game but I thought I read he was active in that game? I agree that he didn't have a good game against Boro but I thought they deserved some credit for that as well.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on September 02, 2016, 12:23:32 AM
If we have to rely on rondon for goals we are in trouble.
rondon is a good player.in another side giving him service from the wings and through the middle not 30 yards apart he will score loads of goals i hope chadli is the 10 and can link him better than morrison or Saido
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 02, 2016, 09:49:30 AM
I still haven't changed my mind that Rondon is rubbish. Yes that is a bit harsh as he is good at attacking crosses and will get you ten goals a season but his touch is dog awful, as is his vision and link-up play which is pretty vital with our 4-5-1 system. Our OAP midfield can't play with him as they take an age to support him and he isn't a natural footballer who links. Correct to say he has zero support and is run ragged but I still think we would be much better with Berahino up front and Chadli supporting with Morrision on the right, Phillips on the left and Yacob / Fletcher screening.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on September 02, 2016, 09:52:41 AM
I still haven't changed my mind that Rondon is rubbish. Yes that is a bit harsh as he is good at attacking crosses and will get you ten goals a season but his touch is dog awful, as is his vision and link-up play which is pretty vital with our 4-5-1 system. Our OAP midfield can't play with him as they take an age to support him and he isn't a natural footballer who links. Correct to say he has zero support and is run ragged but I still think we would be much better with Berahino up front and Chadli supporting with Morrision on the right, Phillips on the left and Yacob / Fletcher screening.

He is not rubbish he just doesn't fit playing that role, just because he is a big lad doesn't mean he should automatically be amazing at holding the ball up.

If you asked Van Nistelrooy in his prime to play back to goal every game, you would say he was rubbish too.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 02, 2016, 09:59:59 AM
Van Nistelrooy was actually very good with his back to goal. I have no issue with Rondon being a "big lad" but the fact he can't trap the ball or pass it and has no vision to link with the midfield is a huge problem. If you can bare to watch the last ten minutes of the terrible game with Boro you will see Rondon get the ball on the edge of the box, Berahino instinctively peels off to the back post looking for the pass. The boro defenders converge on Rondon who smashes a shot straight into them with Berahino free on the left. A half-decent player would have slid the ball left. It wasn't that he was being greedy, he didn't even see Berahino because he has no awareness or vision.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on September 02, 2016, 10:01:16 AM
I still haven't changed my mind that Rondon is rubbish. Yes that is a bit harsh as he is good at attacking crosses and will get you ten goals a season but his touch is dog awful, as is his vision and link-up play which is pretty vital with our 4-5-1 system. Our OAP midfield can't play with him as they take an age to support him and he isn't a natural footballer who links. Correct to say he has zero support and is run ragged but I still think we would be much better with Berahino up front and Chadli supporting with Morrision on the right, Phillips on the left and Yacob / Fletcher screening.

I'm with you on this. Look at his goals on Youtube and you'll find that almost all are 6 yard box tap ins. He'll never get that service here. He's the wrong type of striker for the style we play. Ironically 2 of our best performances (both wins) last season came when he was suspended.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: MarkW on September 03, 2016, 09:36:48 PM
Just because he doesn't get enough support in our system doesn't mean he is 'rubbish'. A lot of good footballers (especially strikers) wouldn't thrive in Pulis' system.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 03, 2016, 10:50:19 PM
He'll forge a tremendous partnership with Chadli imo.

Saido who?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on September 03, 2016, 11:18:18 PM
He'll forget a tremendous partnership with Chadli imo.

Saido who?

i certainly hope not !
I do think that rondon is smarter than he's given credit for 9he makes some good runs but no-one picks them out) and he and Chadli could have have some potential, (which I think was your point)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zac on September 03, 2016, 11:35:09 PM
Just because he doesn't get enough support in our system doesn't mean he is 'rubbish'. A lot of good footballers (especially strikers) wouldn't thrive in Pulis' system.

Completely agree.

There's a half decent player here, i just think we need to give him a bit more service which hopefully the addition of Chadli will do that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba58 on September 03, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
I'm with you on this. Look at his goals on Youtube and you'll find that almost all are 6 yard box tap ins. He'll never get that service here. He's the wrong type of striker for the style we play. Ironically 2 of our best performances (both wins) last season came when he was suspended.

Also one of our best wins of the season, at home against man united, was when he had a blinder. Scored a great goal, and proved he could control a difficult ball into the box, and shoot on the turn (not an easy skill).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WestBromJim on September 03, 2016, 11:48:28 PM
Completely agree.

There's a half decent player here, i just think we need to give him a bit more service which hopefully the addition of Chadli will do that.

I'm with you, the guy is so isolated, so far he has had no runners off the ball and little or no help.

No directly comparing him, but I remember how bad Drogba was in his 1st season at Chelsea, I think Rondon will get loads better as the players around him get better.

I think he will be fine.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba_1996 on September 04, 2016, 12:16:18 AM
Create chances for him and we'll see that he is the closest thing to a world class striker that we could hope to attract. People are going on like he's the next Rosenberg but he scored 9 goals last season in a team that barely had a shot on target in most games.

Also, he isn't a target man. Remember his debut when he got Terry sent off? Remember when he ragdolled Huth against Leicester like he wasn't even there? Play through balls in behind and let him chase and out-muscle the defenders, and swing decent crosses in for him to attack with his superb aerial ability.

His touch, passing and vision are his weaknesses. We lump balls up for him to control and bring others into play while isolated on his own 40 yards from the midfield, which he isn't suited to. We may as well have kept Anichebe as he was the best chance we had for that tactic to work.   
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 04, 2016, 12:43:51 AM
rondon is a good player.in another side giving him service from the wings and through the middle not 30 yards apart he will score loads of goals i hope chadli is the 10 and can link him better than morrison or Saido
I don't think he's bad just don't rate the guy that much. Some people go on like he's the finished article and a top striker which he's not. I don't think he will score many a season in any team regardless of service. If he gets any more than 10 again this season ill be amazed. He works hard for the team ill give him that but he can't pass or control a ball and his finishing is poor in my eyes he snatches at chances most the time. I hope he proves me wrong and scores 15+. I just can't see it. Play behrahino in his position and he will get more goals than rondon all day long. Hate to admit it but it's true
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WestBromJim on September 04, 2016, 07:43:05 AM
I don't think he's bad just don't rate the guy that much. Some people go on like he's the finished article and a top striker which he's not. I don't think he will score many a season in any team regardless of service. If he gets any more than 10 again this season ill be amazed. He works hard for the team ill give him that but he can't pass or control a ball and his finishing is poor in my eyes he snatches at chances most the time. I hope he proves me wrong and scores 15+. I just can't see it. Play behrahino in his position and he will get more goals than rondon all day long. Hate to admit it but it's true

I'd go along with you on the 15 goals a year, I think that would be a good target for him.

If you had a Super Kev playing along side him, and a midfield runner, the amount of space he creates by drawing defenders in they would fill there boots.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on September 04, 2016, 08:27:07 AM
Hate to be the guy that picks out YouTube highlights but it's very telling that in the season before he joined us at Zenit I think the majority of his goals were within 12 yards. The fact he mostly scores headers for us shows that he's not getting the ball where he's used to scoring from. Hopefully chadli plays him in closer to goal and he finds his shooting boots again.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on September 04, 2016, 08:48:48 AM
Hate to be the guy that picks out YouTube highlights but it's very telling that in the season before he joined us at Zenit I think the majority of his goals were within 12 yards. The fact he mostly scores headers for us shows that he's not getting the ball where he's used to scoring from. Hopefully chadli plays him in closer to goal and he finds his shooting boots again.
do agree though our support to him and service is shocking think chadli will improve it. And what I've seen of Phillips so far he can cross a ball. Think it that surprises me with pulis. Is that with stoke he hag genuine wingers who used to get to the byline and deliver. We've had these in mcmanaman. And now we have Phillips and he doesn't seem to utilize them in that way be it through them being to deep or not trusting mcmanaman I suppose I find it strange. I remember pennant and etherington being direct beating there man getting to the byline and whipping good crosses in for stoke. We don't seem to be able to do this. Unless old fashioned wing play is a dying art.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 04, 2016, 10:03:23 AM
Hate to be the guy that picks out YouTube highlights but it's very telling that in the season before he joined us at Zenit I think the majority of his goals were within 12 yards. The fact he mostly scores headers for us shows that he's not getting the ball where he's used to scoring from. Hopefully chadli plays him in closer to goal and he finds his shooting boots again.
I agree with this. We never really played to Brown Ideye's strengths either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on September 05, 2016, 01:31:39 PM
Rondon in my opinion, is hopeless as a lone striker. Unfortunately, Berahino can't be arsed to put any effort in when he has played alongside Rondon. Best option would be to play either Leko or Phillips alongside Rondon. How about a mad idea? Play Olsson up front with Rondon, better than having him at the back just hoofing the ball upfield to nobody!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on September 05, 2016, 01:51:19 PM
To be fair Berahino has seldom been played as a striker under Pulis. He is usually on the bench or running around midfield. He got ten minutes against Boro upfront after initially being played in midfield which as we all know doesn't suit him. You'd think the coaching staff might notice that between them all...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Westie on September 05, 2016, 02:04:04 PM
I despise Berahino with a passion; his performance against Northampton was a disgrace, anyone, and I do mean anyone, could have done better. He should never, never again wear an Albion shirt; put him on 'gardening leave' and let him rot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: boinging_along on September 05, 2016, 04:36:33 PM
To be fair Berahino has seldom been played as a striker under Pulis. He is usually on the bench or running around midfield. He got ten minutes against Boro upfront after initially being played in midfield which as we all know doesn't suit him. You'd think the coaching staff might notice that between them all...

We've seen Berahino in action plenty of times since his massive strop - he's been given more than enough chances.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on September 24, 2016, 09:23:08 PM
how many goals is that now in the last few games? as a goal ratio this guy could be something in the number 9 shirt!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on September 24, 2016, 10:57:20 PM
how many goals is that now in the last few games? as a goal ratio this guy could be something in the number 9 shirt!

Hard to see him here beyond this season, let's enjoy him while we can. Top player.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: The Black Pearl on September 24, 2016, 11:41:17 PM
Rondon in my opinion, is hopeless as a lone striker. Unfortunately, Berahino can't be arsed to put any effort in when he has played alongside Rondon. Best option would be to play either Leko or Phillips alongside Rondon. How about a mad idea? Play Olsson up front with Rondon, better than having him at the back just hoofing the ball upfield to nobody!

Just lost any credibility in less than 70 words.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on September 25, 2016, 12:07:12 AM
Think he will bag 15 plus league goals this season ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KingKoren on September 25, 2016, 12:11:48 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

On the list at the moment.

James Milner has had 3 shots and scored 3 goals. :o :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 25, 2016, 07:33:35 AM
I enjoyed his obvious delight at having scored and how he came across to celebrate in front of us  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Chipperfan on September 25, 2016, 08:32:19 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

On the list at the moment.

James Milner has had 3 shots and scored 3 goals. :o :o

Two of Milner's were penalties yesterday weren't they?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: hardtobeat on September 25, 2016, 09:35:10 AM
 Rondon will have to improve his shooting accuracy in order to get 15 goals, he is way down in this department
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on September 25, 2016, 11:14:05 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/top-scorers

On the list at the moment.

James Milner has had 3 shots and scored 3 goals. :o :o

According to that list Chadli plays for Albion and Tottenham  :) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on September 26, 2016, 02:44:15 PM
Rondon is at the very top level of ability we can realistically be expected to sign I think. 12 goals in 40 leagues games to date. 3 in 6 games this season and we all know for certain he'd be getting even more if we were a little more attack minded.

His contract runs till June 2019, so 2 years at the end of the season.

Soon as he gets his 10th goal this season give him a new contract, add a year to it and ensure he's happy.

After prime Odemwingie & end of season Lukaku he's the best Prem striker we've had i think.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Pie on September 26, 2016, 04:44:06 PM
He is also such a likeable guy, much prefer cheering him on than someone of equal/better ability that is up themselves
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on September 26, 2016, 04:53:05 PM
Rondon will have to improve his shooting accuracy in order to get 15 goals, he is way down in this department

He'll get 15 I think. Took him until the end of October last time round to get 3.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on September 26, 2016, 06:14:12 PM
Rondon will have to improve his shooting accuracy in order to get 15 goals, he is way down in this department

WBA fans should be happy that someone is even attempting shots at goal. If someone has the stats I'd love to see them but I'm pretty sure his shooting accuracy has never been this low in other teams he's played in. Right now if gets a look, no matter how uncomfortable, and he feels there's no teammates near then he's probably shooting. What's he supposed to do? Hold the ball against 2-3 defenders while the rest of the midfield arrives?

I'm no fan of some of the shots he took against Stoke but I understand why he was taking them
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on October 31, 2016, 04:37:14 PM
could you guys just sell him? For what you're asking him to do you might as well just put Robson-Kanu out there, or even an extra CB like Olsson. Wasting his prime years in this awful game planning every week.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on October 31, 2016, 04:39:09 PM
could you guys just sell him? For what you're asking him to do you might as well just put Robson-Kanu out there, or even an extra CB like Olsson. Wasting his prime years in this awful game planning every week.

You're right, we are indeed wasting the talent he has.

Saying that , he should have scored on Saturday.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on October 31, 2016, 06:29:56 PM
Can tell he's frustrated. His head has seemed to drop for me in the last few weeks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on October 31, 2016, 06:43:46 PM
You're right, we are indeed wasting the talent he has.

Saying that , he should have scored on Saturday.
If its the chance I'm thinking of the cross took a deflection off a defender which made it more difficult for Rondon to get good contact on.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on October 31, 2016, 06:44:44 PM
If its the chance I'm thinking of the cross took a deflection off a defender which made it more difficult for Rondon to get good contact on.

kind of making my point that we're going to be upset because he missed the ONE chance he had, however difficult it may had been
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 07, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on November 07, 2016, 10:52:29 PM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala

good, Venezuela HAS BEEN out of contention for a spot in the next WC and they might as well give other lads the opportunity to show what they have. We already know what we're getting with Rondon. Smart.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on November 08, 2016, 02:32:44 AM
 :D Love the bloke cant wait for Chadli,Phillips and Mozza to supply the bullets to him...when we play attacking football ?????
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on November 08, 2016, 08:05:44 AM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala
Give him a couple of days off, I reckon!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 08, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
:D Love the bloke cant wait for Chadli,Phillips and Mozza to supply the bullets to him...when we play attacking football ?????

Spot on chipper
More through balls will suit his style he is not at his best when his back is to goal           
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 08, 2016, 11:35:10 AM
Massive positive - he's not going away with venezuala

Where have you got this from chap?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 08, 2016, 01:07:05 PM
Spot on chipper
More through balls will suit his style he is not at his best when his back is to goal         

Totally agree. However I full expect to see another striker signed who does fit our style as opposed to the style changing to suit Rondon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 08, 2016, 01:57:41 PM
Totally agree. However I full expect to see another striker signed who does fit our style as opposed to the style changing to suit Rondon.

Like the one we just let go you mean, the one who when in the middle of the field fell over like Bambi if someone touched his back but when in the box was has strong has a bull & could turn on a tanner. :o one trick pony
Not for me a little fast chappy in the Defoe mode only younger.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 08, 2016, 06:32:59 PM
Where have you got this from chap?

Sure I saw on facebook earlier that he hasn't gone as he's got an injury, hopefully its just a precautionary move.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 08, 2016, 06:35:39 PM
Sure I saw on facebook earlier that he hasn't gone as he's got an injury, hopefully its just a precautionary move.

Confirmed on his twitter account.

https://twitter.com/salorondon23?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (https://twitter.com/salorondon23?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor)
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 09, 2016, 11:54:52 AM
Sure I saw on facebook earlier that he hasn't gone as he's got an injury, hopefully its just a precautionary move.

On the O/S it lists players playing in Internationals, Rondon not on the list.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 09, 2016, 12:29:44 PM
We have been quite lucky so far that he has stayed injury free.

Also don't think he is an out and out natural goalscorer but that's seems to be the way for lots of premier league teams but Rondon will get goals through hard work and determination and he does sometimes pop up in the right place at the right time. I would like him to work on his first touch as well.

Taking that into consideration we desperately need someone to complement him if not for the fact he travels half way round the world and back every month or two. Would we get another Rondon or a more nippy, poacher type?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on November 09, 2016, 12:40:47 PM
If only we could unearth another SKP, and having found them keeping them is another issue.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 09, 2016, 12:50:57 PM
If only we could unearth another SKP, and having found them keeping them is another issue.

We've shown we can keep them, just not keep them happy
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 09, 2016, 01:02:05 PM
We have been quite lucky so far that he has stayed injury free.

Also don't think he is an out and out natural goalscorer but that's seems to be the way for lots of premier league teams but Rondon will get goals through hard work and determination and he does sometimes pop up in the right place at the right time. I would like him to work on his first touch as well.

Taking that into consideration we desperately need someone to complement him if not for the fact he travels half way round the world and back every month or two. Would we get another Rondon or a more nippy, poacher type?

I totally agree with this. His touch is awful at times.

We need a completely different striker IMO to give us another option. Rondon is far too predictable. He is a hard working finisher but will always rely on supply. We need someone with pace and a bit of skill who can create their own chances. I've said it many times before but we need another Odemwingie.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on November 10, 2016, 12:58:16 AM
If only we could unearth another SKP, and having found them keeping them is another issue.
;D Berbatov...class player
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2016, 09:18:31 AM
;D Berbatov...class player
Totally agree, love Berbatov, but he is how old now?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 10, 2016, 09:40:59 AM
If Berbatov is still that good why has he been released and not snapped up by any club let alone us best years are gone, and we don`t need any more older players we need to bring the squad age down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2016, 11:56:25 AM
If Berbatov is still that good why has he been released and not snapped up by any club let alone us best years are gone, and we don`t need any more older players we need to bring the squad age down.

35, will be 36 in Jan ! 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on November 11, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
With Venezuela winning 5-0 last night without Rondon maybe they will rest him for the remaining group games!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 11, 2016, 04:59:17 PM
With Venezuela winning 5-0 last night without Rondon maybe they will rest him for the remaining group games!

Wishful thinking it was the wooden spoon match against Bolivia. If they beat Ecuador away next game maybe they might...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie82 on November 11, 2016, 11:04:19 PM
I totally agree with this. His touch is awful at times.

I agree his touch and ability to link and make basic passes is awful. But you don't suddenly learn how to trap the ball when your a professional footballer. That's the sort of basic quality you have from 15 years old or you don't. If it could be coached everyone could train to be a footballer. The fact that he can't trap the ball is embarrassing but it won't change. Means he's limited to a 10 goal season target man due to his ability in the air which to be fair could be worse. Very frustrating for our midfield when they try to play off him though as the moves break down.

When he headed in the winning goal away at Norwich last season Chris Brunt smirked and noted how good he was at attacking crosses. I thought at the time the ironic smirk was an internal reference to how bad he his with the ball at his feet, such a contrast.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on November 12, 2016, 12:18:58 AM
I agree his touch and ability to link and make basic passes is awful. But you don't suddenly learn how to trap the ball when your a professional footballer. That's the sort of basic quality you have from 15 years old or you don't. If it could be coached everyone could train to be a footballer. The fact that he can't trap the ball is embarrassing but it won't change. Means he's limited to a 10 goal season target man due to his ability in the air which to be fair could be worse. Very frustrating for our midfield when they try to play off him though as the moves break down.

When he headed in the winning goal away at Norwich last season Chris Brunt smirked and noted how good he was at attacking crosses. I thought at the time the ironic smirk was an internal reference to how bad he his with the ball at his feet, such a contrast.
Think we may be over-doing this lack of ability with ball at his feet. The bulk of the time our midfield has been Yacob and Fletcher and they've hardly been trying to play off him. Yes sometimes his touch lets him down but often it's fine...it's not embarrassing at all. The overall game he provides is very good for us ...don't forget he's living off scraps a lot of the time. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 12, 2016, 03:29:42 PM
Think we may be over-doing this lack of ability with ball at his feet. The bulk of the time our midfield has been Yacob and Fletcher and they've hardly been trying to play off him. Yes sometimes his touch lets him down but often it's fine...it's not embarrassing at all. The overall game he provides is very good for us ...don't forget he's living off scraps a lot of the time.

Bang on. Some very very harsh words about him being said. A class act on his day.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on November 12, 2016, 04:44:09 PM
Rondon regularly passes the ball as well as most other team members and his hold up play is better than any of the other front men we  have had in the time he has been here. However have not seen anything  of HRK in the same role
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on November 21, 2016, 08:35:49 PM
33rd minute Vs Burnley and as yet Rondon hasn't scored and he may not today, but that's regardless of the fact he's playing fantastically.

Love the bloke! He's not an Odemwingie flying goal machine, but he's brilliant for how we currently play. Fair play to Pulis (for whom we all know i'm not a fan) for bringing him in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: dan7heman on November 21, 2016, 09:57:35 PM
33rd minute Vs Burnley and as yet Rondon hasn't scored and he may not today, but that's regardless of the fact he's playing fantastically.

Love the bloke! He's not an Odemwingie flying goal machine, but he's brilliant for how we currently play. Fair play to Pulis (for whom we all know i'm not a fan) for bringing him in.

He scored the most deserved goal. The first 45 mins was one of the best front man displays Ive seen in a very long time from an Albion number 9.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on November 21, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
Absolutely unplayable tonight, their 2 centre halves couldnt cope with him
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggieboy1 on November 21, 2016, 10:51:33 PM
Absolutely awesome tonight. We need to make sure that he is with us for a long time.  Show him the money. If ever a player deserved a goal tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 21, 2016, 10:59:02 PM
so pleased he bagged himself a goal as that performance deserved one and to top it he seems like a smashing bloke
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on November 21, 2016, 11:14:15 PM
Anyone hear his interview after the game? He still seems to be struggling with English somewhat. Would go someway to explaining why it took him as long as it did to fit in and get up to speed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 21, 2016, 11:16:05 PM
Thought he was pretty special today, well done Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on November 21, 2016, 11:28:14 PM
Outstanding centre forward performance tonight. Critical to the way we play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 21, 2016, 11:51:18 PM
Absolutely awesome tonight. We need to make sure that he is with us for a long time.  Show him the money. If ever a player deserved a goal tonight.
Show him what money? I thought he was being paid.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2016, 11:57:18 PM
Tie him down to a longer deal as eventually some bids will come in and we want to make sure he can't run his contract down
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on November 22, 2016, 01:09:59 AM
Tie him down to a longer deal as eventually some bids will come in and we want to make sure he can't run his contract down

I genuinely think we may struggle to hold onto him in January after that performance. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 22, 2016, 02:10:17 AM
This bloke has to be one of the most underrated in the entire league. A superb target man, not sure there's many better at winning the ball with his chest and looking after it than him.

Deserved his goal. And as usual, played a big part in a couple of goals today.

Was heavily involved in both goals against Leicester also. Does a lot of good work which goes unnoticed.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: divinewind on November 22, 2016, 05:02:19 AM
Typical Albion fans, someone is rubbish he gets pulled apart by them week after week, someone is playing well and it's we won't be able to hold on to him.
Get a grip you load of pessimistic miseries. :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on November 22, 2016, 06:37:50 AM
I genuinely think we may struggle to hold onto him in January after that performance.

Add quality around him that's what we need to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 07:40:57 AM
We should be looking to offer this boy a new contract asap.

His work rate every game is outstanding, really does put a shift in.

The one last night were he cleared the corner, then within seconds he is chasing his own flick on and winning a free kick in Burnleys half.

Easily one of our best players, looking even more effective now he has players around him who can pick a pass.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 22, 2016, 10:33:06 AM
Second game running now he's absolutely bullied the two central defenders. He may not be a high scorer because of how we ask him to play but he's a top quality player when in form.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 22, 2016, 10:41:26 AM
He doesn't need to be a high scorer to be a top quality centre forward though.

By giving centre backs such a torrid time, he opens up spaces and opportunities for midfielders to get in on the goals. The reason why this didn't happen last season was because they were often 40 yards behind him.

He's not better now than he has always been for us during the last 15 months. The difference is he's currently getting much needed support in and around him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on November 22, 2016, 10:47:46 AM
Love this bloke. Great performance last night, chased, put pressure on, assisted, scored.

He opens up a lot for us with his work rate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 22, 2016, 10:51:32 AM
Love this bloke. Great performance last night, chased, put pressure on, assisted, scored.

He opens up a lot for us with his work rate

He reminds me a lot of Shane Long.

A little slower admittedly, but better at holding the ball up, finishing and all round decision making
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2016, 10:54:46 AM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on November 22, 2016, 10:56:43 AM
If the last few performances aren't proof that this guy is superb when he has support around him, I don't know what is. Saido was too lazy and selfish to be an effective partner for him, and having 3 behind him rather than a flat defensive 5 is paying off.

His two goals against West Ham and last night show he's great on the turn too. Keep it up Sal!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 22, 2016, 11:03:00 AM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing

Just had a quick look at everyones squad

Bournemouth, Everton (if Lukaku goes), West Ham

Feel like teams who might want a look.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 22, 2016, 11:26:40 AM
Much better last night probably his best performance for us. Exactly what I'd expect to see from a target man. Let's hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on November 22, 2016, 11:30:30 AM
Just had a quick look at everyones squad

Bournemouth, Everton (if Lukaku goes), West Ham

Feel like teams who might want a look.

West Ham could do with him, Zaza is pants
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing

Majority of the teams in the league would be happy to have him in their squad, would all just depend on who would be willing to spend the money we would want for him.

It would be in our best interests to get him tied down to another deal.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on November 22, 2016, 12:38:23 PM
what premier league team are likely to come sniffing

Seem to remember Liverpool were rumoured to be interested in him when we was at Zenit.

They signed some chappy who was never going to fit into their style of play instead.

His name was Benteke.

Unlucky Brendan  8) .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
Seem to remember Liverpool were rumoured to be interested in him when we was at Zenit.

They signed some chappy who was never going to fit into their style of play instead.

His name was Benteke.

Unlucky Brendan  8) .

Liverpool are attempting a title tilt without a recognised centre forward... Rondon could easily be their Diego Costa and a great foil for Coutinho Firmino Mane and Lallana.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 22, 2016, 01:35:04 PM
Daniel Sturridge + 20 million in our favour :D only joking folks
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on November 22, 2016, 02:00:49 PM
I get the distinct impression that Salomon is quite happy where he is at present. He was awesome last night, a fact recognised by the Burnley fans on their site. If we are going to move forward and progress, we should not be thinking about who may want to buy him who are a) in the PL, and b) below us.......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 22, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
I have to chuckle with myself when radio WUMs franksy phone in keep insisting that kodja at the vile is better than rondon,what a load of billhooks, yes kodja is a very good championship CF but unlike rondon unproven in the highest league
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Atomic on November 22, 2016, 02:47:59 PM
I have to chuckle with myself when radio WUMs franksy phone in keep insisting that kodja at the vile is better than rondon,what a load of billhooks, yes kodja is a very good championship CF but unlike rondon unproven in the highest league


Just stupidity. Ignore it.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: HampshireBaggie on November 22, 2016, 04:29:28 PM
Have always seen glimpses of what he showed last night. I agree that I don't think he has improved much, it's just that now he has support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on November 22, 2016, 04:56:21 PM
Unless his control and touch improve dramatically then I don't think he'll be going anywhere soon especially to some of the clubs mentioned here. He was very good last night but against possibly the worst defensive performance I've seen for years at this level. Against better sides he rarely looks a goal threat despite the shift he puts in. He now needs to prove his worth on a regular basis and we need to sign another striker to support him.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on November 22, 2016, 05:35:54 PM
He doesn't look a goal threat as until the last 2 games we as a team have never looked a goal threat!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on November 22, 2016, 05:48:19 PM
Unless his control and touch improve dramatically then I don't think he'll be going anywhere soon especially to some of the clubs mentioned here. He was very good last night but against possibly the worst defensive performance I've seen for years at this level. Against better sides he rarely looks a goal threat despite the shift he puts in. He now needs to prove his worth on a regular basis and we need to sign another striker to support him.
OMG, I can't believe there are people criticising Rondon. He was absolutely fantastic last night, he was absolutely fantastic against Leicester, and he has been somewhere between good and fantastic all season. He was pretty good for most of last season too, and has come on even more. He is a terrific player and terrifies defenders on a regular basis, often more or less all by himself. Honestly, why am I defending the guy? It is completely obvious surely
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: geoff on November 22, 2016, 05:52:45 PM
He doesn't look a goal threat as until the last 2 games we as a team have never looked a goal threat!!

Bloody hell mukka I suppose Messie is to to small & take away his goals what else does he do. :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on November 22, 2016, 06:42:08 PM
I would be looking at extending his contract pronto
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on November 22, 2016, 07:43:39 PM
I would be looking at extending his contract pronto
Me too. As Fletcher said last night he's made for the premier league.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: NathWBA on November 22, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
To think he only cost £12mil what is he worth to us now, he's really started to excel this season and the last two games especially he has been a different level, deserves so much credit for his contribution in the goals at Leicester and really deserved that goal last night.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: AlbionBest on November 22, 2016, 09:19:37 PM
A real beast the past two games and has looked as good as anything in the division doing a similar pivotal role- need to tie him down as other clubs come sniffing ..........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 22, 2016, 09:34:39 PM
some fans on social media  court controversay  Rondon was good last season but now he`s used to the premiership he is immense those who say not have not played  watched or been involved in football or thats how it seems because if they believe that and that a championship player like Kodja who`s never been near the premiership is anywhere near Rondon needs there heads looked at .Paul Franks that WM loudmouth and Dingle lover never has a good word about Albion and any Albion fan who can slag of Rondon has not been watching us this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 22, 2016, 09:42:47 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on November 22, 2016, 09:48:31 PM
some fans on social media  court controversay  Rondon was good last season but now he`s used to the premiership he is immense those who say not have not played  watched or been involved in football or thats how it seems because if they believe that and that a championship player like Kodja who`s never been near the premiership is anywhere near Rondon needs there heads looked at .Paul Franks that WM loudmouth and Dingle lover never has a good word about Albion and any Albion fan who can slag of Rondon has not been watching us this season.
While I agree with your view on Rondon keep in mind other peoples views are just as important  and welcome on this forum  as yours whether they have played the game , been involved with the game or played Fifa video games since '96.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyM on November 22, 2016, 09:51:24 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness

comparing them is like comparing Drogba in his prime and Sam Vokes...not even a contest. Different levels.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on November 22, 2016, 10:25:53 PM
13 goals and 4 assists in a season and a third is a tremendous return for the way we set up most matches.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Matty on November 22, 2016, 10:48:13 PM
http://www.football365.com/news/salomon-rondon-they-man-every-club-should-want
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 22, 2016, 11:25:15 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness
yup they been banging on for a few weeks now that kodjia is the better player,he did play well against us in the cup for bristol but cmonnnnnnn,he could well be another benik afobe
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on November 22, 2016, 11:38:49 PM
Had to laugh at wm earlier comparing rondon and kodjia. They both picked kodjia even though kodjia is nowhere near rondons level. They said kodjia is more of a goal scorer, he has 6 in 16 in the championship and rondon has 4 in 12 in the prem! Absolute madness

Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on November 23, 2016, 12:01:48 AM
Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer
yeah but only rondon has played at the top table,so no contest,theres lots of good championship strikers who have failed at the top table and until he proves himself there then for me rondon is the real deal
i will self edit this kodjia 6 in 15 for vile in a lesser league and rondon 15 in 45 at the top table,more or less similar
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie96 on November 23, 2016, 12:35:46 AM
Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer

Rondon is a proven goal scorer in the top leagues. He is a striker known all over the world who probably should be playing for a better team than us. Kodjia is a journeyman striker who has scored the majority of his goals in ligue 2 and the championship. To even compare the two is ridiculous. Also rondon has 106 goals in 285 games and kodjia 47 in 146 so rondon has a better rate in much more difficult leagues. Bare in mind rondon has also played in a tony pulis side for the past year and a bit!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on November 23, 2016, 12:38:19 AM
Hate to say it, but if you compare their goals per game ratio... kodjia p*sses all over Rondon.... and they have both played in easier leagues than the prem so I can see why they say kodjia is more of a goalscorer

Kodija played in the French second division and the championship, hardly comparable quality. Rondon's played in La Liga, the Premier, and the Russian premier (where he was a 1 in 2 striker) since he was 21. Rondon would be a 20+ goals a season striker playing in the championship, his record is already decent for us playing in a team that generally creates very few chances whilst he doesn't take penalties either.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: adamw1109 on November 23, 2016, 12:45:00 AM
Rondon is a proven goal scorer in the top leagues. He is a striker known all over the world who probably should be playing for a better team than us. Kodjia is a journeyman striker who has scored the majority of his goals in ligue 2 and the championship. To even compare the two is ridiculous. Also rondon has 106 goals in 285 games and kodjia 47 in 146 so rondon has a better rate in much more difficult leagues. Bare in mind rondon has also played in a tony pulis side for the past year and a bit!

Not saying kodjia is better calm down, just saying... I saw online that kodjia has something like 60 goals in his 82 professional games he has played ... which is a lot more goals per game than rondons record hence why I said I can see why they say he is the better goalscorer.

Regardless of leagues and who's played where, stats will remain the same.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: overseas baggie on November 23, 2016, 01:06:50 AM
I'd still like to see us sign Kodjia. Imagine him up front with Rondon in some games, or as an alternative in other games
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on November 23, 2016, 06:51:44 AM
Not saying kodjia is better calm down, just saying... I saw online that kodjia has something like 60 goals in his 82 professional games he has played ... which is a lot more goals per game than rondons record hence why I said I can see why they say he is the better goalscorer.

Regardless of leagues and who's played where, stats will remain the same.
Dan pointed out a key point Kodjia takes pens Rondon dosen't , i think he has scored 3 pens for vile .
Never mind the fact we are trying to compare a premier striker to a championship striker  in open play Rondon scores more goals per game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 23, 2016, 09:13:20 AM
Dan pointed out a key point Kodjia takes pens Rondon dosen't , i think he has scored 3 pens for vile .
Never mind the fact we are trying to compare a premier striker to a championship striker  in open play Rondon scores more goals per game.

Not only that, trying to compare two players on nothing but goal ratio and arguing that better goal ratio = better striker, completely ignores all of the other traits and qualities it take to be a great centre forward.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 23, 2016, 09:18:51 AM
Someone needs to call the show tonight to put them both straight, franksie and whats his name regan.Like Liam says they probably say it to entice callers but its a joke comment to be fair
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 23, 2016, 09:20:27 AM
I will say this 1000 times there is no comparison Rondon is the number 1 striker in the west midlands bye a country mile and one of the best in the country and has played in top European leagues. Kodja has never played in a top league anywhere.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on November 23, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
Had to go over the past few postings to see if this part of the thread was for real.......

Kodjia better than Rondon??

Comedy gold, what station was that on???
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 23, 2016, 09:48:11 AM
listen in later they will continue what they call a debate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 24, 2016, 08:33:31 PM
Out the two , I'd take Rondon, but I wouldn't mind both.
   

              Kodija.    Rondon

  Phillips.       Chadli.       Montero

                   Camacho

Don't look bad , does it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on November 24, 2016, 08:57:56 PM
Had to go over the past few postings to see if this part of the thread was for real.......

Kodjia better than Rondon??

Comedy gold, what station was that on???
it was on radio delusional twats, where most of its listeners live in the aston area. 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on November 24, 2016, 10:20:58 PM
Looks crap we have no defense  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on November 24, 2016, 10:27:02 PM
Looks crap we have no defense  ;D ;D ;D
It's there...right at the bottom. Who is the left back called Don't though? And do we really need a Bad goalkeeper?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 14, 2016, 09:58:02 PM
doubt he'll rank any other game in his career above this one, absolutely thrilled for him.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on December 14, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
That was superb from Salomon

3 absolutely world class headers

Delighted for the bloke
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
He's a very good all round player playing probably the hardest striking role in the division. It's made easier when both Chadli and Morrison play in midfield and of course when he is in receipt of wonderful deliveries from Phillips and Brunt but usually it's a long hard slog ploughing a lone furrow in front of the other 9 Albion outfield players. Thrilled by him and for him tonight.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2016, 10:02:16 PM
great performance from salmon rondon,feed him the ball and he will score,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2016, 10:02:56 PM
that's what you get when you supply a good striker.
you cant fire a gun without bullets.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kris_boing on December 14, 2016, 10:07:06 PM
Three brilliant headers tonight and an excellent all round performance where once again he works so hard for the team.

Have to mention the wonderful deliveries from Brunt and Phillips though.  The kind of crosses strikers thrive upon.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Barrington on December 14, 2016, 10:21:44 PM
More positive reports sent back to their clubs by the scouts who will have been there to watch him tonight, no doubt. Works his socks off and he's now beginning to reap the rewards with good service, he deserves all of the success that will come his way.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: lewisant on December 14, 2016, 10:22:07 PM
He rose like a Salomon for the third
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 14, 2016, 10:29:54 PM
Three brilliant headers tonight and an excellent all round performance where once again he works so hard for the team.

Have to mention the wonderful deliveries from Brunt and Phillips though.  The kind of crosses strikers thrive upon.

If Man U panic and offer a stupid amount then OK, but any talk of mid table tat like West Ham and Everton and they can do one.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 14, 2016, 10:39:53 PM
Absolute beast today. Works hard, doesn't stop running, doesn't let a few misses stop him. Superb for months now.

Imagine those crosses into 50p head Berahino.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2016, 10:40:39 PM
took me right back to big cyrilles days,have we had better than big Sal since those great days?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: vrabbit on December 14, 2016, 10:43:19 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589669_1630389560596719_6997075388129184904_n.jpg?oh=04554e46fc5a72848ef9dc46ea9a44bb&oe=58F78ABA)

looks like he had all of his teammates signed his shirt from tonight's game  ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 14, 2016, 10:46:41 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589669_1630389560596719_6997075388129184904_n.jpg?oh=04554e46fc5a72848ef9dc46ea9a44bb&oe=58F78ABA)

looks like he had all of his teammates signed his shirt from tonight's game  ;D

Ha and Gardner has written 'Ran (Ron?) your balls off!' on it  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 14, 2016, 10:47:43 PM
Air Force Ron!!!!!!!

Unbelievable.......
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15589669_1630389560596719_6997075388129184904_n.jpg?oh=04554e46fc5a72848ef9dc46ea9a44bb&oe=58F78ABA)

looks like he had all of his teammates signed his shirt from tonight's game  ;D
zoom in to the top left of the shirt someone signed, ran your balls off,
class.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 14, 2016, 10:55:06 PM
Astle-esque. Ron the don!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: socalbaggie on December 14, 2016, 10:59:26 PM
What a pleasure it was to see Rondon score those goals. He goes out there game after game working his butt off and never lets up whether or not he is getting any service. Would love to see him go on a little scoring run here in the coming matches that we have coming between now and through the new year!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 14, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
only the second player since the prem formed to score a hatrick of headers,well done sir :o
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 14, 2016, 11:23:13 PM
Its like Cyrille is back this man is a Monster and does`nt let the misses get him down.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 14, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
bit of perspective please, rondons decent but he certainly isn't on a par with regis,
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: baggie53 on December 14, 2016, 11:31:12 PM
Its like Cyrille is back this man is a Monster and does`nt let the misses get him down.
I don't let the missus get me down either  :P
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBArgo on December 14, 2016, 11:41:55 PM
That last header was superb. The others were good but that was something else. Usually a player would either loop it on target with no power or go for power and put it wide, but to do both was fantastic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 14, 2016, 11:45:58 PM
Absolutely superb and a really likable lad too from all you see and hear of him. Some superb headers, if we provide the ammunition for him he will put them away
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 14, 2016, 11:57:30 PM
took me right back to big cyrilles days,have we had better than big Sal since those great days?

Not counting Lukaku and Odemwingie aside we haven't had a striker with the pedigree of Rondon since the early 80s. We've had some great strikers Goodman Taylor Hunt Hughes Roberts Earnshaw Phillips Berahino to name a few but yes Rondon is a better player than any of them.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: chipperclark on December 15, 2016, 12:59:10 AM
Not counting Lukaku and Odemwingie aside we haven't had a striker with the pedigree of Rondon since the early 80s. We've had some great strikers Goodman Taylor Hunt Hughes Roberts Earnshaw Phillips Berahino to name a few but yes Rondon is a better player than any of them.
:D Lukaku was pretty handy don't forget even though he was only a season long loan....but Rondon will do me at the moment...he is brutal when he gets good service
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on December 15, 2016, 06:35:22 AM
Could have sworn that they said he was only the second player ever to score headed hat trick in the Premier League
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 15, 2016, 07:10:09 AM
Could have sworn that they said he was only the second player ever to score headed hat trick in the Premier League

Correct - Duncan Ferguson in 1997 against Bolton was the first.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on December 15, 2016, 07:41:51 AM
bit of perspective please, rondons decent but he certainly isn't on a par with regis,

There are times he's more like big Cynthia than big Cyrille .

Still got a lot of work to do on first touch and knowing when to win free kicks for me .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 07:53:44 AM
There are times he's more like big Cynthia than big Cyrille .

Still got a lot of work to do on first touch and knowing when to win free kicks for me .

you mean cheat?

Not for me
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on December 15, 2016, 08:20:28 AM
you mean cheat?

Not for me

It's not cheating it's knowing when to slow the game down to suit our situation .

Robson Kanu did it when we were under pressure in injury time out on the right touchline .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 08:38:22 AM
It's not cheating it's knowing when to slow the game down to suit our situation .

Robson Kanu did it when we were under pressure in injury time out on the right touchline .

If you go looking for a free kick and over react to the slightest contact, then for me its cheating. Not a part of the game I like to be honest. You can slow the game down through possession etc

I know its part of the game Mo and know where you are coming from, but when I hear comments from the so called TV pundits saying 'he was looking for the contact etc', then for me that's cheating and I cannot believe it is being condoned.

Its a contact sport, we cannot get away from that, but I am not aware of a rule that says 'if another player touches you, you are entitled to over act the touch, do an Oscar winning dive and win a free kick [or penalty] for your team'.

For me I am pleased Rondon is not like that

Chopper Harris would never last more than 5 minutes a game these days.........
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2016, 08:44:26 AM
The lad is fantastic. At times hes unplayable and arguably other than Costa the best "target man" or "hold up player" in the league.

Not many play up top top like he does and not many are as good as him.

Loving him at the club although im now doubting how long we can keep him if he continues this form.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 15, 2016, 08:55:49 AM
Loving him at the club although im now doubting how long we can keep him if he continues this form.

Now that he's up and running properly I'd give the lad the best contract we can afford with 3 years or so added to it and to be fair to him offer a release clause to Champions League clubs at say £40m (given the market these days).

He's a smart and ambitious guy, so he may wish to move up and I can't blame him. But he's a gem and we need to make the most of that.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 08:57:42 AM
Now that he's up and running properly I'd give the lad the best contract we can afford with 3 years or so added to it and to be fair to him offer a release clause to Champions League clubs at say £40m (given the market these days).

He's a smart and ambitious guy, so he may wish to move up and I can't blame him. But he's a gem and we need to make the most of that.

If he carries on like that he can have the keys to my house and the missus...... ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 15, 2016, 08:59:06 AM
If he carries on like that he can have the keys to my house and the missus...... ;D

We're trying to keep him! Don't drive him away! :P :-* ;D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 15, 2016, 09:17:14 AM
You can keep your ideye's and berahinos. This guy is the real deal, a properly likeable character, actually smiles unless most premier league robots, but his desire to bring others into play and be our true targetman is paying off. Now whos the best striker in the premier league...
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 09:22:35 AM
We're trying to keep him! Don't drive him away! :P :-* ;D

Fair point!!!!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 15, 2016, 09:30:13 AM
Do the bunch of idiots on the local radio still think that guy who plays for the mid table championship side Aston Villa is better?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 15, 2016, 09:40:27 AM
All i said is that it was like having Cyrille back not that he was as good as the best centre forward to play for the baggies {AND YES I LOVED ASTLE TO }and I will say it for a third time It was like having Cyrille back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Morany on December 15, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
Fantastic hat-trick last night, love the bloke.

Really likeable character, never stops and always gives his all, but has the quality to match.

Kept his head up after he should have scored first half, the last one was fantastic. Best of the lot.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Beefy on December 15, 2016, 11:59:45 AM
STATS !!!!!!

Rondon has scored 16 goals in the Premier League since the start of last season - 11 more than any other Baggies player. (James Morrison is on five).
The striker's hat-trick was also the quickest by a Baggies player in the Premier League (13 minutes), overtaking the record set by Rob Earnshaw in March 2005 against Charlton (16 minutes).
Chris Brunt - who assisted twice in this game - has 42 Premier League assists for West Brom, 19 more than any other player for the club.
The Baggies have scored 10 goals in their last three home Premier League games - more than they managed in their previous 10 games at the Hawthorns in the competition (8).
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2016, 12:03:42 PM
We'll do extremely well to keep him, people who play the lone striker role as well as him are gold dust. Wouldn't be too surprised if Spurs go for him in the summer.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 15, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
We'll do extremely well to keep him, people who play the lone striker role as well as him are gold dust. Wouldn't be too surprised if Spurs go for him in the summer.
How ironic.
Will they offer to pay it a pound a week again, like Kays catalogue or the Provvie?  :D
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: mulliganstired on December 15, 2016, 12:15:38 PM
All i said is that it was like having Cyrille back not that he was as good as the best centre forward to play for the baggies {AND YES I LOVED ASTLE TO }and I will say it for a third time It was like having Cyrille back.

I posted on the match thread that the second goal was like watching Cyrille, body shape and power. Fantastic.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ian66 on December 15, 2016, 12:17:14 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-album-hunt-2710378.aspx?site=desktop&site=desktop

Anyone remember this? Andy Hunt home debut 7 minute 2nd half hat-trick.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: skyclad99 on December 15, 2016, 12:42:26 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-album-hunt-2710378.aspx?site=desktop&site=desktop

Anyone remember this? Andy Hunt home debut 7 minute 2nd half hat-trick.

Remember it well, still got that shirt!!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 15, 2016, 01:08:22 PM
http://www.wba.co.uk//news/article/wba-albion-album-hunt-2710378.aspx?site=desktop&site=desktop

Anyone remember this? Andy Hunt home debut 7 minute 2nd half hat-trick.

Not really no.

I was at the game but got escorted out by the police about ten minutes before his first  :-X .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 15, 2016, 01:59:34 PM
I posted on the match thread that the second goal was like watching Cyrille, body shape and power. Fantastic.
And the way the keeper bounced off him in the 1st half. Remember many a big Centre Half running into Big Cyrille and ending up on his arse!
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 15, 2016, 02:37:09 PM
Needs tying down to a long term deal in our favour
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: ashdoy on December 15, 2016, 02:39:41 PM
Everton will lose Lukaku in the summer, their new direct approach suits Ronnie.
Spurs will come calling for a new second striker to take pressure off Kane.
Liverpool only running with Origi - Ronnie is better than him.
West Ham will go for a big-spend on a striker again.
Needless to say Man City, Chelsea & United will again target a back-up striker, all of whom im sure would be looking at Ronnie if this was the case (hes better than Bony was before he went to City).

We MUST get him on a deal ASAP with a huge release-clause.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 15, 2016, 03:37:58 PM
He`s our best striker in the premiership era { including Lukaku } selfless individual who fights for the cause.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: liverbaggie on December 15, 2016, 06:59:03 PM
Hey guys,I always said he was going to be a top striker.

Whats he worth now,i wonder?

40 million?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: barnestormer on December 15, 2016, 07:07:58 PM
Hey guys,I always said he was going to be a top striker.

Whats he worth now,i wonder?

40 million?
He's worth as much as anyone is prepared to pay for him but from yesterday a lot of clubs will be sitting up and taking notice now.the club need to get him in and revise his contract and wages immediately, not only is he our most saleable asset but a good guy to boot which makes for a pleasant change after saddogate
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: costa blanca baggie on December 15, 2016, 10:42:52 PM
I don't wish to spoil the mood, but this is one of the reasons why I care little for what was my beloved game of interest. My club paid a fair wedge to purchase Rondon, he is paid a hefty wage, and when he eventually gets around to doing what he's paid to do, some think the club should increase his income on the off chance that his run of form will continue, and the elitist clubs will come sniffing around. If he's still banging them come Easter, fair enough. Until then, our club can ill afford to chuck money at a bloke when those financial resources can be used to employ someone in a position that needs to be filled. Despite all that, I love this guy, and hope his rich vein of form continues.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Standaman on December 16, 2016, 12:51:08 AM
Rondon is almost certainly not the best striker in the Premier League but he's no slouch. He is contracted to us until 2019 so there is no urgency in getting him to sign a new contract and in any event we are probably witnessing a player at or close to his peak.

While I think he is nearly the perfect striker for us I' m not so sure that he is particularly suited to a more possession orientated style of football and that knocks out a least four or five of the handful of teams that could table a bid big enough to interest us in the short term.
 
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: KYA on December 16, 2016, 05:52:07 AM
Rondon is almost certainly not the best striker in the Premier League but he's no slouch. He is contracted to us until 2019 so there is no urgency in getting him to sign a new contract and in any event we are probably witnessing a player at or close to his peak.

While I think he is nearly the perfect striker for us I' m not so sure that he is particularly suited to a more possession orientated style of football and that knocks out a least four or five of the handful of teams that could table a bid big enough to interest us in the short term.

I agree you only have to look at Benteke at Liverpool to realize  such teams desire players upfront with an allround game who can bring in to play the quality players around them, a Peter Beardsley type player if you will.
As much as i love Rondon i don't think he is a fit for one of the top teams so  we should enjoy seeing him in our colours for a while yet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on December 16, 2016, 09:34:21 AM
Hopefully that will be the case. It's probably unlikely but I guess it's not beyond the bounds for someone like Spurs to want a bit of a plan B and decrease the reliance on Kane being fit.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 16, 2016, 09:39:49 AM
They'd have been better off signing Rondon than Sissoko or Janssen in fairness.

Can't see us selling any time soon, would have to be for over £20m so cannot see too many bids coming in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 16, 2016, 10:55:54 AM
1. SKP and Cyrille were better over an extended period, check the stats out.
2. He is in a rich vein of form and long may it continue
3. He will have suitors, there can be little doubt of that.
4. He has his head screwed on and he knows how fortunate he and his family are to be in UK, (see the interview with him from the summer)

I think he's bloody good particularly given he is asked to do sooo much work on his own. He could be great, time will tell. We should enjoy him while he is here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
I'm not so sure he's in a rich vein of form as some are suggesting. Yes he scored 3 on Wednesday but he missed some good chances in the first half  and also missed a sitter against Hull and looked well off the pace against Watford.

I'm not knocking him but I just feel some posters are going a bit overboard in their praise for him.

His all round play is decent but he gets bullied a bit too much for someone of his size.

I hope Wednesday was the start of him scoring on a more regular basis as that is what is lacking most in his game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Webby on December 16, 2016, 11:33:20 AM
I'm not so sure he's in a rich vein of form as some are suggesting. Yes he scored 3 on Wednesday but he missed some good chances in the first half  and also missed a sitter against Hull and looked well off the pace against Watford.

I'm not knocking him but I just feel some posters are going a bit overboard in their praise for him.

His all round play is decent but he gets bullied a bit too much for someone of his size.

I hope Wednesday was the start of him scoring on a more regular basis as that is what is lacking most in his game.

I think the thing is we probably notice his misses more because we don't create as many opportunities some times. Not even Aguero scores every shot for example.

So if you say a decent-ish Striker takes 1 in every 3 chances sometimes it can take us a couple of games to get him those 3 good chances where as a City will create Aguero 3 a game. I know it's different levels but I hope I make sense?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 16, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
I am sorry hullbaggie I cannot agree with you the man gets bullied by no one and has a decent strike rate there is a difference to being bullied and being kicked from pillar to post ie Watford and still he came back for more. If thats not knocking him what is as iv`e said before even when the club is doing well we have to have a dig at some players were 7th and playing well lets all get behind all of the Team.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 11:55:10 AM
I think the thing is we probably notice his misses more because we don't create as many opportunities some times. Not even Aguero scores every shot for example.

So if you say a decent-ish Striker takes 1 in every 3 chances sometimes it can take us a couple of games to get him those 3 good chances where as a City will create Aguero 3 a game. I know it's different levels but I hope I make sense?

Yes it does make sense and I accept your point, I just think he should have scored some of the easier chances he's had lately.The last minute miss against Hull really rankles with me, how could he miss that yet score those 3 beauties on Wednesday?
 It's not just about scoring goals though, he does get bullied. Even on Wednesday Mawson had the better of him in the 1st half. Once he'd got the first he totally dominated Mawson and looked livelier and sharper. Confidence boost I guess.
I'm glad he plays for us and hope that Wednesday was the start of him becoming more consistent with his goal scoring and all round play.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: seteefeet on December 16, 2016, 11:59:32 AM
Yes it does make sense and I accept your point, I just think he should have scored some of the easier chances he's had lately.The last minute miss against Hull really rankles with me, how could he miss that yet score those 3 beauties on Wednesday?
 It's not just about scoring goals though, he does get bullied. Even on Wednesday Mawson had the better of him in the 1st half. Once he'd got the first he totally dominated Mawson and looked livelier and sharper. Confidence boost I guess.
I'm glad he plays for us and hope that Wednesday was the start of him becoming more consistent with his goal scoring and all round play.
Nothing wrong with a bit of constructive criticism mate. It's what forums are for.
I agree with both, I think he is playing well and is a bit of a beast, but he does get knocked about a bit. Wednesday will have given him a massive confidence boost so he should be really up for the United game. Can't see him getting bullied in this one, he should be strutting like the cock of the walk.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 12:05:33 PM
I am sorry hullbaggie I cannot agree with you the man gets bullied by no one and has a decent strike rate there is a difference to being bullied and being kicked from pillar to post ie Watford and still he came back for more. If thats not knocking him what is as iv`e said before even when the club is doing well we have to have a dig at some players were 7th and playing well lets all get behind all of the Team.

I do get behind the team. I don't need patronising thank you.

He does get bullied though, nothing to do with getting kicked from pillar to post as you put it. Mawson the Swansea number 6 kept him very quiet in the 1st half.

I do struggle with posters like you who think that any criticism is a lack of support.

I don't think I'm knocking him just giving a fair assessment of what I see, you see something else that up to you.



Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on December 16, 2016, 12:19:00 PM
I do get behind the team. I don't need patronising thank you.

He does get bullied though, nothing to do with getting kicked from pillar to post as you put it. Mawson the Swansea number 6 kept him very quiet in the 1st half.

I do struggle with posters like you who think that any criticism is a lack of support.

I don't think I'm knocking him just giving a fair assessment of what I see, you see something else that up to you.

I thought Mawson had a good game aswell, said this in the In game chat thread at the time. He actually impressed me

Rondon had a GREAT second half and really did tear them a new one then though
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 16, 2016, 12:21:08 PM
I am sorry hullbaggie I cannot agree with you the man gets bullied by no one and has a decent strike rate there is a difference to being bullied and being kicked from pillar to post ie Watford and still he came back for more. If thats not knocking him what is as iv`e said before even when the club is doing well we have to have a dig at some players were 7th and playing well lets all get behind all of the Team.

 :-X

If we had a 'like' or 'dislike' of a post option on here, I imagine I would have hit dislike to about 97% of your posts by now.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 16, 2016, 12:23:07 PM
I thought Mawson had a good game aswell, said this in the In game chat thread at the time. He actually impressed me

Rondon had a GREAT second half and really did tear them a new one then though

Totally agree Tom, once Rondon had scored Mawson never got a look in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on December 16, 2016, 12:25:49 PM
he's perfect with our current set up, not many teams in this league play with one strong physical lone striker its a bit old school really. one thing that stood out for me is for the first 20 minutes against Swanseas we (rondon in particular) lost all the aerial battles against their defence so couldn't get any forward momentum. as soon has we got Chadli and Phillips more involved and played it on the deck we improved massively.       
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on December 16, 2016, 01:26:13 PM
Sorry hull if you thought my post was patronising was`nt meant to be I still don`t believe he got bullied as for quiet well as you said he missed 2 good chances in the first half if thats being kept quiet was the Swansea striker silent as he never had a shot yet some fans are having a go at Ollson its a funny old world
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Adder on December 16, 2016, 04:09:58 PM
I think it's a bit strong saying he gets bullied. He's often on his own and outnumbered. He's not going to win every ball pumped up to him. He's a unit but he's 6ft 1 and will be up against taller centre backs most of the time. He gives at least as good as he gets in the physical stakes.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on December 16, 2016, 09:10:49 PM
I remember just a few weeks back the Leicester fans being in awe of how Rondon had single handedly bullied their centre backs. Not often he gets bullied. As others have said, he is, or has been until recently, often up against 3 players. Fantastic player for us, we should all appreciate him while we can.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wodenson46 on December 17, 2016, 04:10:08 PM
Either needs some protection from the ref against the 'clever' but dangerous challenges, or needs to learn how to fall over strategically more often so they get a bit wary about making the challenge. Rondon is not getting an easy ride so far but is doing a great job. Think of all the free Kicks he would have 'won' in and around the edge of the box if he played for somebody like the Snottenham diving academy.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 19, 2016, 05:05:25 PM
Think he fell over plenty of times against United and got nothing in return from the ref. Some looked like fouls, some looked 50/50 to me.

How about use his size and physical advantage against the likes of rojo and Jones who are half the size of him? A couple of games I've seen him struggle against what look like physically smaller defenders. Yes he managed to out play the Swansea defence, but why not repeat that again in the next game?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: timdon on December 20, 2016, 12:32:14 PM
Think he fell over plenty of times against United and got nothing in return from the ref. Some looked like fouls, some looked 50/50 to me.

How about use his size and physical advantage against the likes of rojo and Jones who are half the size of him? A couple of games I've seen him struggle against what look like physically smaller defenders. Yes he managed to out play the Swansea defence, but why not repeat that again in the next game?
So, to summarise, when he got fouled, he got nothing from the ref, and when it was 50-50 he got nothing from the ref. Hardly his fault is it?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 12:38:48 PM
So, to summarise, when he got fouled, he got nothing from the ref, and when it was 50-50 he got nothing from the ref. Hardly his fault is it?

50/50 is hardly not getting protection from the ref either. Think he needs to use his strength more to keep the ball rather than learning how to fall over better, as some have suggested on here.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 20, 2016, 12:41:45 PM
Think he fell over plenty of times against United and got nothing in return from the ref. Some looked like fouls, some looked 50/50 to me.

How about use his size and physical advantage against the likes of rojo and Jones who are half the size of him? A couple of games I've seen him struggle against what look like physically smaller defenders. Yes he managed to out play the Swansea defence, but why not repeat that again in the next game?

Maybe because Man United have significantly better defenders than Swansea do?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Albionic on December 20, 2016, 12:42:22 PM
Maybe because Man United have significantly better defenders than Swansea do?

Do you reckon ?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 12:46:09 PM
Maybe because Man United have significantly better defenders than Swansea do?

His game is about strength and his strength shouldn't change drastically game by game. He didn't seem to win anything against man United but did against Swansea a few days earlier. Surely rojo and Jones aren't stronger than him or better in the air
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 20, 2016, 01:14:42 PM
The difference being that the Swansea centre backs gave him the freedom of the Hawthorns during the second half.

With the exception of his free header Jones and Rojo were much tighter on him, and he did not enjoy the same level of support against Man Utd as in the previous game.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 01:17:39 PM
The difference being that the Swansea centre backs gave him the freedom of the Hawthorns during the second half.

With the exception of his free header Jones and Rojo were much tighter on him, and he did not enjoy the same level of support against Man Utd as in the previous game.

Again though, surely he should be physically stronger than rojo and Jones regardless of how tight they were?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 20, 2016, 01:21:13 PM
Again though, surely he should be physically stronger than rojo and Jones regardless of how tight they were?

He didn't lose the physical battle. He got fouled... a LOT.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2016, 01:28:09 PM
Again though, surely he should be physically stronger than rojo and Jones regardless of how tight they were?
but as you said earlier they are smaller defenders, Wouldn't they have learned how to defend against larger opponents and so use his power against him. Might doesn't always equal right. It's  why I think Rondon has done so well against Huth in the games against Leicester as Huth has relied on himself being stronger than the guy he's defending against. Suddenly this guy turns up who's stronger and he downs know what to do.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on December 20, 2016, 01:35:17 PM
but as you said earlier they are smaller defenders, Wouldn't they have learned how to defend against larger opponents and so use his power against him. Might doesn't always equal right. It's  why I think Rondon has done so well against Huth in the games against Leicester as Huth has relied on himself being stronger than the guy he's defending against. Suddenly this guy turns up who's stronger and he downs know what to do.

But as a larger forward, shouldn't he have learnt how to deal with smaller defenders. I mean it's 90% of his game. As you say he was stronger than Huth and therefore did well, so why can't he do well against weaker defenders? Dawson didn't seem to have an issue against the full back.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on December 20, 2016, 02:03:14 PM
But as a larger forward, shouldn't he have learnt how to deal with smaller defenders. I mean it's 90% of his game. As you say he was stronger than Huth and therefore did well, so why can't he do well against weaker defenders? Dawson didn't seem to have an issue against the full back.
see my Huth example. He knows how to use his strength but what does he do when that doesn't work? It's what you are taught in martial arts such as judo. To use an opponents weight and power Against them. In this case rather than throwing them to the floor, all the defender needs is to throw the attacker off enough to either make a mistake or win the ball which is easier with taller players as they have a higher centre of gravity..

As a strong attacker playing target man you get two choices. back off and make space to turn like a smaller player would but that allows the defender into you and forces you forward, not good if it's a high ball as you need to stay where you are, or stand your ground and fight them, problem is that a good smaller defender that has your back will win most of those fights. So you try to draw the foul. Secret option 3 is play in behind but only works if you are faster than the defender which when they are smaller isn't always possible and relies on poor cover which wasn't the case against Utd.

On his own it's a losing fight as the smaller guy behind you can be much more physical and get away with it in comparison to the attacker if the best option is to flood them with bodies in an attacking sense as they can't mark every one. However this is a bad idea in terms of general play.

I'd also mention that a centre back and a full back defend in very different ways, so it's not surprising that Dawson was successful against his man.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on December 20, 2016, 02:05:08 PM
But as a larger forward, shouldn't he have learnt how to deal with smaller defenders. I mean it's 90% of his game. As you say he was stronger than Huth and therefore did well, so why can't he do well against weaker defenders? Dawson didn't seem to have an issue against the full back.

It's not just about strength though, it's also about timing and speed into the challenge.

And the physical aspect has only become more a part of his game since joining us, as he's only really played the out and out target man role at the Albion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on January 07, 2017, 05:02:20 PM
Sorry, not good enough. Too inconsistent and wasteful. A new striker is the biggest priority if we want to improve our team, instead of signing an expensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on January 07, 2017, 05:32:17 PM
Sorry, not good enough. Too inconsistent and wasteful. A new striker is the biggest priority if we want to improve our team, instead of signing an expensive midfielder.

I agree not clinical enough, scores in odd bursts but not regularly enough. Has he scored for two games on the trot?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smudger 2007 on January 07, 2017, 06:10:27 PM
I agree not clinical enough, scores in odd bursts but not regularly enough. Has he scored for two games on the trot?
was just saying this to my dad. He never scores in a run on the trot. Goalscires usually do eg odemwingie,Kevin Phillips,bob Taylor. He gets the odd one and a very good hat trick not so long ago but you would think his confidence would be sky high after that but he's not kicked on since. He should have buried the first half chance and never give Keogh chance to clear it off the line. I'm still unconvinced about him works hard scores occasionally but doesn't really show enough confidence to perform week in week out. Maybe a tad harsh but that's my opinion
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tommcneill on January 07, 2017, 06:18:53 PM
He does need to be more clinical

I'm not going to take away from him though most of our good forward play and goals come from his unselfish work

I really wish he could score more regularly and have a few runs of goals
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: paulosull on January 07, 2017, 06:22:25 PM
Was going to slag of the lad but he does a great job for team but will not be a prolific goal scorer for us in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Dexy on January 07, 2017, 06:25:17 PM
He does need to be more clinical

I'm not going to take away from him though most of our good forward play and goals come from his unselfish work

I really wish he could score more regularly and have a few runs of goals
Agree , think this was the reason Chadli was bought in but as we know that's gone a bit pear shaped.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smosher34 on January 07, 2017, 06:25:23 PM
very poor today should of buried that shoot in 1st half
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: caravanc58 on January 07, 2017, 06:29:43 PM
think we have to remember that mostly he's on his own upfront, works hard for the team but he isn't a natural finisher on the floor. when he's 100% on his game there's no better playing the lone striker role, when he's not the whole system we play looks naff. I like him but would be surprised if he plays at an higher lever then this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mo on January 07, 2017, 08:17:22 PM
Sorry, not good enough. Too inconsistent and wasteful. A new striker is the biggest priority if we want to improve our team, instead of signing an expensive midfielder.

Hallelujah we need some on in to challenge his position , too easily beaten in the air and poor technique on the ground .
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: stubba on January 07, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Scapegoat season is upon us at I see
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 06:10:19 PM
Think it highlights the need for another striker. Just to give Rondon a rest every so often, or to mix it up a bit when it's not working. Agree he should have finished the early chance, and was very wasteful with his shooting. It doesn't appear to be his string point at all, and he seems to snatch at shots or try to put too much power on them frequently.

I thought his heading was his strong point, but missed two decent opportunities with his head. I know we say all good strikers miss chances, but we don't usually make a lot every game, so we can't really afford to have him missing them when they do come.

He was having one of his games yesterday where nothing seemed to stick to him, and felt he was outmuscled (albeit sometimes unfairly) by their centre back. To be fair though the championship is a lot more about big physical defenders, so can see how the Derby centre backs found it relatively easy to cope with Rondon's style of play.

Hopefully he'll want to prove himself again next match and pop up with a goal or two. Maybe if we start being linked with strikers it'll prompt him that his place isn't guaranteed, and strikers are usually judged on goals and their ability to finish chances.

Scapegoat season is upon us at I see

And why does any form of criticism towards any of our players have to be met with scapegoat comments? He had a poor game yesterday and didn't score again.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on January 08, 2017, 06:34:06 PM
Gardner not playing they have to find some scapegoat  only a few weeks ago he scored a hatrick. That little crap Berahino should be the only scapegoat as he disregard`s the club on every social media going Were having a decent season Saturday was a blip so lets get behind them for yhe rest of the season BOING BOING
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Think it highlights the need for another striker. Just to give Rondon a rest every so often, or to mix it up a bit when it's not working. Agree he should have finished the early chance, and was very wasteful with his shooting. It doesn't appear to be his string point at all, and he seems to snatch at shots or try to put too much power on them frequently.

I thought his heading was his strong point, but missed two decent opportunities with his head. I know we say all good strikers miss chances, but we don't usually make a lot every game, so we can't really afford to have him missing them when they do come.

He was having one of his games yesterday where nothing seemed to stick to him, and felt he was outmuscled (albeit sometimes unfairly) by their centre back. To be fair though the championship is a lot more about big physical defenders, so can see how the Derby centre backs found it relatively easy to cope with Rondon's style of play.

Hopefully he'll want to prove himself again next match and pop up with a goal or two. Maybe if we start being linked with strikers it'll prompt him that his place isn't guaranteed, and strikers are usually judged on goals and their ability to finish chances.

And why does any form of criticism towards any of our players have to be met with scapegoat comments? He had a poor game yesterday and didn't score again.
In all fairness he does not have many bad games considering the expectation of him. He is the only striker we have in all but name.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 06:50:56 PM
Gardner not playing they have to find some scapegoat  only a few weeks ago he scored a hatrick. That little crap Berahino should be the only scapegoat as he disregard`s the club on every social media going Were having a decent season Saturday was a blip so lets get behind them for yhe rest of the season BOING BOING

I don't think it's to do with finding a scapegoat at all. He just played poorly yesterday and didn't score. That's a striker's job. He's receiving criticism and rightly so.

Don't see any posts in the Myhill thread saying that he's being made a scapegoat?

Not sure what Berahino had to do with us losing yesterday either?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 06:56:22 PM
In all fairness he does not have many bad games considering the expectation of him. He is the only striker we have in all but name.

There's no denying that. I'm saying he had a poor game yesterday. And he does have a few bad games also. He may be our top scorer, but he's only actually scored in 5 of our games this season. That's 15 games where he's not scored. McAuley is only 2 goals behind him also. Like I said, I've got nothing against him and think he has been decent this season, but we desperately need another striker so we are not putting all our hopes on just Rondon
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 07:03:19 PM
There's no denying that. I'm saying he had a poor game yesterday. And he does have a few bad games also. He may be our top scorer, but he's only actually scored in 5 of our games this season. That's 15 games where he's not scored. McAuley is only 2 goals behind him also. Like I said, I've got nothing against him and think he has been decent this season, but we desperately need another striker so we are not putting all our hopes on just Rondon
Indeed we score with CB,s as the way Pulis starts teams off. (To keep them up) He needs support.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on January 08, 2017, 07:03:39 PM
His lack of goals could be because most of the time he us isolated up front on his own. I think he does a marvellous job for the team
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 07:09:58 PM
His lack of goals could be because most of the time he us isolated up front on his own. I think he does a marvellous job for the team

Therefore if goal scoring isn't what he's in the team for, you agree that we could do with a goal scoring striker to share the load?

Indeed we score with CB,s as the way Pulis starts teams off. (To keep them up) He needs support.

I think we've moved on from needed to worry about relegation this season. We shouldn't really be relying on centre backs for our main source of goals. Rondon is good in certain games, and does score goals, I'm saying we need another decent striker for when we need something a bit different. For example yesterday, Rondon clearly wasn't having much of an impact, and there have been a number of games like that this season.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 08, 2017, 07:24:16 PM
Therefore if goal scoring isn't what he's in the team for, you agree that we could do with a goal scoring striker to share the load?

I think we've moved on from needed to worry about relegation this season. We shouldn't really be relying on centre backs for our main source of goals. Rondon is good in certain games, and does score goals, I'm saying we need another decent striker for when we need something a bit different. For example yesterday, Rondon clearly wasn't having much of an impact, and there have been a number of games like that this season.
Indeed.Quite a bit more investment is needed to consolidate and avoid constant embarrassment in the FA cup.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 08, 2017, 07:38:55 PM
I find it difficult to criticise Rondon. Yes, he has flaws, his finishing on the deck is not at the level it needs to be in the league we play in, but he has had to carry our attacking threat from open play for in excess of a year now will little support and rarely gets a rest, often he is up against three central defenders alone and still puts himself about for the team.

I feel he is still improving in areas, he is far better this season than he was last and this upward curve will continue in my opinion. However, we need to bring in another striker to relieve some of the strain on him. HRK is clearly not good enough, we all knew he wouldn't be, can only assume he was brought in through desperation, and fat boy will hopefully never play for us again so Rondon is all we have up there.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: kirk on January 08, 2017, 08:22:21 PM
Therefore if goal scoring isn't what he's in the team for, you agree that we could do with a goal scoring striker to share the load

Defoe is a goal scorer but put him in our team and our tactics and he will be absolutely useless. We don't play with 2 strikers so since we will never get Costa who do you think can play in our system?
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 08, 2017, 08:57:39 PM
Defoe is a goal scorer but put him in our team and our tactics and he will be absolutely useless. We don't play with 2 strikers so since we will never get Costa who do you think can play in our system?

We don't know he'd be useless at all. I bet the Sunderland fans thought he'd be useless with how they used to play hoofing it up to Fletcher but he's not been. I imagine if we signed someone like that we'd work on playing it in behind defenders more. Irrelevant anyway really because I'm not saying we need Defoe, I'm saying Rondon doesn't get enough goals by himself for us to rely on him alone all season. Hence we need another striker. I don't think many will disagree with this.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: albion59 on January 08, 2017, 09:32:10 PM
Defoe is a goal scorer but put him in our team and our tactics and he will be absolutely useless. We don't play with 2 strikers so since we will never get Costa who do you think can play in our system?
No he wouldn't Rondon had two great chances yesterday and fluffed his lines Defoe wouldn't have missed those two chance's.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SmethDan on January 08, 2017, 10:31:04 PM
All strikers miss chances.

For instance, Defoe missed an absolute sitter against us at theirs.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Jimmy on January 09, 2017, 12:14:36 AM
Devastating with his head, probably could do with some confidence shooting with his feet.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on January 09, 2017, 06:27:54 AM
We need another quality striker to challenge Rondon for the starting birth, to allow us to rest him sometimes, and to give the manager other options. 
Given the back up that he has I think Rondon is doing a decent job this season.
Add to the fact that we could see that the long lump up to him wasn't working but did nothing to try and vary the ball in.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 09, 2017, 07:26:35 PM
We need another quality striker to challenge Rondon for the starting birth, to allow us to rest him sometimes, and to give the manager other options. 
Given the back up that he has I think Rondon is doing a decent job this season.
Add to the fact that we could see that the long lump up to him wasn't working but did nothing to try and vary the ball in.

I think that was the most frustrating thing. However Rondon does tend to have games where he can't beat the CB in the air, and like others have said we really need another option to vary it a bit when Rondon isn't working.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: SirTonyPulis on January 09, 2017, 07:32:08 PM
I think that was the most frustrating thing. However Rondon does tend to have games where he can't beat the CB in the air, and like others have said we really need another option to vary it a bit when Rondon isn't working.

I think its quite rare to see Rondon beating a cb in the air. We have two very good crossers of the ball but we rarely score from those crosses in open play. The Swansea game is an exception.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: TheBrom on January 09, 2017, 07:44:49 PM
I think its quite rare to see Rondon beating a cb in the air. We have two very good crossers of the ball but we rarely score from those crosses in open play. The Swansea game is an exception.

Agree, I seem to remember making this point earlier in the season that he seemed to get outmuscled quite a lot for a big guy against smaller defenders
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: alex1 on January 09, 2017, 08:39:40 PM
His hat trick against Swansea was excellent, but they were all headers from crosses. In the same game he fluffed 2 one on ones with the keeper. He can do a fantastic job at holding the ball up for other players, but he is actually quite average at working the ball in tight spaces on the ground. i.e. creating a chance out of nothing, maybe through a quick wall pass, or dribbling past a last defender.
We badly need an extra striker to play off him. Someone in the Kevin Phillips mould.

Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: smethwickw on January 09, 2017, 10:24:17 PM
Are people changing their minds about him now? I got slated on here the other week for saying that I don't rate him. I stick by that. He'll work his socks off and score a few tap ins but his all round game is poor. A striker should be top of our shopping list.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: tuamigos on February 01, 2017, 06:38:20 AM
Are people changing their minds about him now? I got slated on here the other week for saying that I don't rate him. I stick by that. He'll work his socks off and score a few tap ins but his all round game is poor. A striker should be top of our shopping list.

Too inconsistent, maybe he's comfortable in his position as there is not a lot to threaten his place in the team.
If, as reported, an offer of £32m comes in from China in the Summer I'd be inclined to have a look around as to who we could get for that money and let him go
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: botters on February 01, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
I thought he would have "kicked on" after the Swansea hat trick but he hasn't. Too inconsistent and not a regular goal scorer. We need a better all round striker and much better finisher.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 01, 2017, 09:25:01 AM
i aint getting on his back but i would rather HRK start
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: wba13 on February 01, 2017, 10:36:33 AM
The blame game has started there is nothing wrong with Rondon that a goal won`t put right he is the same player who had a great first half of season and anyone is entitled to there opinion but if they think HKR [ who i like ] is better than Rondon your in cloud cuckoo land.
Title: Re: Salomon Rondon
Post by: Mikkyk on February 01, 2017, 11:33:17 AM
The blame game has started there is nothing wrong with Rondon that a goal won`t put right he is the same player who had a great first half of season and anyone is entitled to there