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Title: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 01, 2015, 12:52:41 PM
Think he deserves his own thread

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-edging-closer-matt-9560312

West Bromwich Albion are making headway in their pursuit of QPR winger Matt Phillips and have also offered a new contract to coach Gerry Francis.

24-year-old Phillips has become Tony Pulis’ top transfer target and lengthy negotiations with QPR appear to be paying dividends.

QPR were looking for around £7 million for a player who was bought from Blackpool two years ago for £5million.

Pulis is also keen to keep Francis at The Hawthorns.

Francis is out-of-contract after joining Albion in the middle of January in a move that saw Paul Jewell quit after just a few days at the helm.

There have been reports that Francis has been in talks with QPR about re-joining the Loftus Road club.

Francis still lives in London and clearly the commute is far from ideal but Albion are confident he will put pen to paper.


Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dubya BA on July 01, 2015, 02:36:08 PM
I hope we get him and this thread goes on for a long time but I have a feeling that's being too optimistic.

Prove me wrong please!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba1993dave on July 01, 2015, 02:39:20 PM
Offer QPR 20 million for Phillips and Austin. You know it makes sense. JP's last present for us all. 8) (If he does leave).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 01, 2015, 02:49:30 PM
Offer QPR 20 million for Phillips and Austin. You know it makes sense. JP's last present for us all. 8) (If he does leave).

I can see JP doing more farewell tours than Tina Turner  8)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 01, 2015, 02:51:21 PM
I can see this deal being linked in with one for Austin if we are serious about him. I think he will be our marquee winger and judging on the second half of last season it'll be a great buy if we can get him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 01, 2015, 02:53:15 PM
I can see this deal being linked in with one for Austin if we are serious about him. I think he will be our marquee winger and judging on the second half of last season it'll be a great buy if we can get him.

In either case I think we might have to bite the bullet and pay the asking price, if we start fannying around we'll lose one/both of them.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 01, 2015, 02:59:30 PM
I think this needs to be a case of acting quick and trying to get this done before other teams show an interest.

All depends on the player and how interested he is, if he wants to see what else is on offer, then this could drag out and we could be left empty handed again.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DaveWBA on July 01, 2015, 03:16:38 PM
In either case I think we might have to bite the bullet and pay the asking price, if we start fannying around we'll lose one/both of them.

If previous windows are anything to go by I would be amazed if we will find out about any 'actual' bids until at least the second week of July. Not necessarily a bad thing either.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggies_24 on July 01, 2015, 03:38:32 PM
I think this needs to be a case of acting quick and trying to get this done before other teams show an interest.

All depends on the player and how interested he is, if he wants to see what else is on offer, then this could drag out and we could be left empty handed again.

I'm not sure he will you know, He won't want to be playing in the championship next year especially for a QPR team that might find themselves in trouble, it's a given Austin is going and I really can't see them competing under Ramsey. Realistically it's going to be clubs around our size coming in for him with similar financial deals, if I was him I wouldn't be hanging around to see what offers come in, as he runs the risk of clubs moving on with him stuck playing in the championship.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 01, 2015, 07:46:59 PM
In fairness from what was said, we did make positive efforts with Gignac and especially Ba. Now it's sounding as though we are getting serious about Phillips....hopefully our luck will change on this one.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 05, 2015, 07:06:57 AM
Hopefully we hear something this week be an exciting signing then we can concentrate on a striker and fullback, boing boing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 05, 2015, 07:17:10 AM
Matty Phillips - is this supposed to be our marquee signing? If it is it's an insult.

Charlie Austin should be our top target - go and get him. His and Berahino's goals almost guarantee you safety before a ball is kicked.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 05, 2015, 09:17:39 AM
Matty Phillips - is this supposed to be our marquee signing? If it is it's an insult.

Charlie Austin should be our top target - go and get him. His and Berahino's goals almost guarantee you safety before a ball is kicked.
Haven't heard Pulis mention the words 'marquee signing' and he is meant to be in charge.
 Phillips would be another player to improve our pace and mobility, has good ability on the ball and would be a good signing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 05, 2015, 09:28:29 AM
Matty Phillips - is this supposed to be our marquee signing? If it is it's an insult.

Charlie Austin should be our top target - go and get him. His and Berahino's goals almost guarantee you safety before a ball is kicked.

Our marquee signing will 100% be a striker. Who's to say though that we won't make several "marquee" signings now that we are being taken over compared to our previous transfer policy of free's and cheapies?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: PsalmXXIII on July 05, 2015, 10:08:55 AM
Marquee signings? How about we make the right signings for the job than there have to be a big song and dance about names. Our best signings have been the ones with little hype during transfer window and done the job well - who'd heard of Odemwingie, knew much about a teenager from Chelsea on loan called Romelu and a Congolese bloke who became better than Kaka?

Recruitment may not be what it was, but hyping up names before they sign hasn't done us any favours in recent memory.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 05, 2015, 10:34:32 AM
Marquee signings? How about we make the right signings for the job than there have to be a big song and dance about names. Our best signings have been the ones with little hype during transfer window and done the job well - who'd heard of Odemwingie, knew much about a teenager from Chelsea on loan called Romelu and a Congolese bloke who became better than Kaka?

Recruitment may not be what it was, but hyping up names before they sign hasn't done us any favours in recent memory.
In some ways, you could argue that chasing names is exactly why recruitment has become so poor, we've taken on players like Scott Sinclair, Marcus Rosenberg, Nicolas Anelka, Diego Lugano, Ben Foster, Joleon Lescott & Darren Fletcher. All are big names in their own rights but (bar the last three) all failed at this club.

Yes, other less well know names have also failed with us & some of the big signings have worked out very well, but I suppose the moral is a big name does NOT guarantee success any more than an unknown.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: slugga1 on July 05, 2015, 11:37:23 AM
Fee agreed apparently,  nursey has just tweeted. Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie96 on July 05, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
Would be a great signing, however both him and Mcmanaman are right sided. Wonder which one of them would switch to the left?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 05, 2015, 11:53:13 AM
Would be a great signing, however both him and Mcmanaman are right sided. Wonder which one of them would switch to the left?
Neither, that's what Mclean and Brunt are for.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie96 on July 05, 2015, 12:00:12 PM
Neither, that's what Mclean and Brunt are for.

Personally I think Mcmanaman and phillips are both starting wingers and brunt at left back.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 05, 2015, 12:02:50 PM
i love wingers. Some get you out of your seat, i wouldnt call him Marquee though
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 05, 2015, 12:25:03 PM
I would caution it is the Mirror and they are more than happy to jump the gun on a story so they can put the "exclusive" label on it. Assuming it is right and we are spending £7m on another right winger fine personally given the other substantial gaps in the squad I wouldn't have but I certainly don't have the full picture so I will have to see what else happens.

I don't care if we don't make a bloody "Marquee signing"  in fact I hope we don't. I would rather have a balanced team at the end of the window than a collection individuals that have impressive Cv's but don't work as unit.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on July 05, 2015, 12:44:44 PM
John Percy @John__Percy
West Brom's opening bid for QPR winger Matt Phillips has been rejected. Offer was £5m, QPR valuation is £10m. Further talks this week #wba
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 05, 2015, 12:49:00 PM
Frankly the John Perry story is more believable as you were. ::)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 05, 2015, 01:12:47 PM
Given the Mirror's previous history on their coverage of the Albion, I'll go with John Percy's story.

At least there appears to be some movement on this potential transfer which is promising.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie96 on July 05, 2015, 01:13:33 PM
Tbf the mirror story says the fees more than £7mill so I'd say we bid i5 and it got rejected but we've probably agreed a fee around 7.5-8 million.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ranvir wba90 on July 05, 2015, 01:51:22 PM
According to bbc sport and sky sports website fee has been agreed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 05, 2015, 01:55:18 PM
According to bbc sport and sky sports website fee has been agreed.

Where on the BBC website?

I can't see anything.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 05, 2015, 02:14:39 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 41m41 minutes ago

Albion's Phillips bid is rejected. #wba #wbafc http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/07/05/west-broms-5m-phillips-bid-rejected/ …
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on July 05, 2015, 02:17:31 PM
I couldn't see anything on the BBC site either, and the Sky report cites the Daily Mirror as its source.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hardtobeat on July 05, 2015, 03:27:33 PM
skys rolling transfer thingy says offer rejected but negotiations ongoing
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on July 05, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 
Albion's Phillips bid is rejected

Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 
I'd still be surprised if Phillips doesn't end up at Albion. Just to and fro between the clubs at present. #wba #wbafc

So we don't need to worry, we still have a big chance to land him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on July 05, 2015, 05:51:30 PM
I always look at who is supposed to be interested in a player to gauge his value. The likes of West Ham and Leicester and  a few other mid to lower table teams tells me he is only a B level player. He would be an improvement on last season for sure but QPR  are just trying to start a bidding war. Anything more than 8 million and I feel we will have been fleeced.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SirTonyM on July 05, 2015, 05:57:26 PM
I always look at who is supposed to be interested in a player to gauge his value. The likes of West Ham and Leicester and  a few other mid to lower table teams tells me he is only a B level player. He would be an improvement on last season for sure but QPR  are just trying to start a bidding war. Anything more than 8 million and I feel we will have been fleeced.

That's where we shop :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on July 05, 2015, 06:37:39 PM
I'd say around £8-10 million would be a fair price.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stubba on July 05, 2015, 06:40:38 PM
I'd say 4-5 million personally though a decent player he only contributed late on in the season another ok footballer being over hyped me thinks
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ripryan1971 on July 05, 2015, 07:04:46 PM
Stubba i'm not sure about this, but how much did Redknapp actually play him earlier in the season?

Also i'm a firm believer that you will never see a players true form keep giving him a few minutes off the bench, you need 6-8 games of 90 minutes then you can judge. Think Philips got this in the 2nd part of the season
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 05, 2015, 07:20:25 PM
He cost them £5 million so £7-8m is about right with inflation and PL experience.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stubba on July 05, 2015, 07:28:20 PM
Don't disagree with you I just think ok footballers are overpriced, the way of the modern game I guess  I think he would be a good addition but at 10 mill I still think massively overpriced
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 05, 2015, 07:31:27 PM
Let's hope we get him if we are going after him then! Be a good signing in my opinion! Probably go about 8 max I'd say!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie_liam on July 05, 2015, 07:36:45 PM
If the double raid on qpr is to happen and austin is valued around £15m, weren't we 'linked' with a £22-25m bid then to me it seems we're happy to pay £7-10m on Phillips. Which like others said with PL experience, his age, British, then I'd say it's about right that fee
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Blowee on July 05, 2015, 11:12:44 PM
It's always difficult to judge the worth and effectiveness of a player until he's actually in the squad. Look at Sinclair - highly rated at Swansea - not done much since. Didn't fit in for us at all. We would have happily have brought him for a similar fee to that asked for Phillips but would have been very disappointed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sammyg on July 05, 2015, 11:21:38 PM
I see Phillips played with McManaman in his brief spell on loan.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 06, 2015, 08:53:21 AM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 
Albion's Phillips bid is rejected

Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 
I'd still be surprised if Phillips doesn't end up at Albion. Just to and fro between the clubs at present. #wba #wbafc

So we don't need to worry, we still have a big chance to land him.

Madeley said the same about Demba Ba
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 06, 2015, 11:20:27 AM
Madeley said the same about Demba Ba

Do you think there's a pattern developing?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 06, 2015, 11:24:27 AM
Do you think there's a pattern developing?

I'd say that the local journos know even less these days than they did a few years ago.

the club has always been very good at keeping things quiet but when Chris Lepkowski worked for the mail he always seemed to have good info from the club at times. The mail was always better than the E&S for articles about the club.

however these days both papers just write articles from stuff rumoured on twitter it's very lazy journalism if you ask me. what happened to the days of investigative journalism
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on July 06, 2015, 12:45:07 PM
I'd say that the local journos know even less these days than they did a few years ago.

the club has always been very good at keeping things quiet but when Chris Lepkowski worked for the mail he always seemed to have good info from the club at times. The mail was always better than the E&S for articles about the club.

however these days both papers just write articles from stuff rumoured on twitter it's very lazy journalism if you ask me. what happened to the days of investigative journalism
You are joking CL didn't even get the name of is replacement right at the Mail when he left! Having said that I think the club took him on because he was pretty discrete with some of the information he got but there again as fans that is not what you want from someone ITK ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Floydy on July 06, 2015, 01:11:18 PM
I'd say that the local journos know even less these days than they did a few years ago.

the club has always been very good at keeping things quiet but when Chris Lepkowski worked for the mail he always seemed to have good info from the club at times. The mail was always better than the E&S for articles about the club.

however these days both papers just write articles from stuff rumoured on twitter it's very lazy journalism if you ask me. what happened to the days of investigative journalism

I think part of it is that hard copy papers don't sell as well due to the internet, and the advertising revenue received from selling online advertising isn't as profitable as selling papers.

Budgets are continually being squeezed and as such "reporters" no longer get the same time & resources to do the own investigations to the same degree they used to.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 06, 2015, 02:28:30 PM
I think part of it is that hard copy papers don't sell as well due to the internet, and the advertising revenue received from selling online advertising isn't as profitable as selling papers.

Budgets are continually being squeezed and as such "reporters" no longer get the same time & resources to do the own investigations to the same degree they used to.

the printed press other than the big morning papers is pretty much a dying business now with the evolution of the internet and social media
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: saml30 on July 06, 2015, 10:46:47 PM
Could be ready to move onto other targets, not willing to pay the £10M QPR want
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 06, 2015, 11:07:50 PM
If QPR won't budge on £10m I think we should forget him. I know relative values in the transfer market can often be a bit out of whack but it implies he is twice the player that McMannaman is. Really ? good but not that good there has to be better value elsewhere.

Unfortunately this is a problem with focussing on the British based market there is very few players we can realistically target and other clubs know this and dig their heals in on price. I hope we still have a sufficiently broad scouting network to come up with some alternatives and Pulis is not fixated on the few players that are known to him.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on July 06, 2015, 11:09:46 PM
Could be ready to move onto other targets, not willing to pay the £10M QPR want

Hey because. Reading between the lines of that story tell me Express and Star have no story and Madeley doesn't either. Only earlier he said he will likely end up here (i'm paraphrasing). Nobody seems to have a clue!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on July 06, 2015, 11:13:08 PM
If QPR aren't willing to show compromise on ten million then I would prefer us to look elsewhere. Matt Phillips Is a good player but no way is he worth ten million.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 06, 2015, 11:14:58 PM
So this has now gone from:

A fee being agreed
An offer being declined
Optimistic a deal can be concluded this week
Seeking alternatives as selling club won't budge on transfer fee

Journalism at its best here! Another bang your head up a brick wall excercise.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on July 06, 2015, 11:18:22 PM
So this has now gone from:

A fee being agreed
An offer being declined
Optimistic a deal can be concluded this week
Seeking alternatives as selling club won't budge on transfer fee

Journalism at its best here! Another bang your head up a brick wall excercise.

No disrespect but a journalist hasn't claimed we are now seeking alternatives as selling club won't budge on transfer fee. That was posted by another forum user who didn't provide a link to any solid news articles or claim where he heard it from.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 06, 2015, 11:21:08 PM
No disrespect but a journalist hasn't claimed we are now seeking alternatives as selling club won't budge on transfer fee. That was posted by another forum user who didn't provide a link to any solid news articles or claim where he heard it from.

Both local papers have changed their tune and now running with this. It will be something different again tomorrow.

Depends which way the wind blows.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 06, 2015, 11:27:24 PM
E&S correctly state that we won't pay 10 mill for him...

the rest is just speculation to pad out the text.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on July 06, 2015, 11:27:54 PM
No disrespect but a journalist hasn't claimed we are now seeking alternatives as selling club won't budge on transfer fee. That was posted by another forum user who didn't provide a link to any solid news articles or claim where he heard it from.

See:

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/07/06/west-brom-wont-pay-10-for-phillips/

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2015, 12:00:04 AM
I don't think it'd be the worst thing if we did move on (Phillips hasn't really done anything to warrant being a significant investment) but it concerns me who we'd go for next, with Pulis you know its going to be someone British based but there's not all that many winger options around who would actually improve us and be available.

I wouldn't be surprised if we moved on to Routledge who may well be available now Swansea have Ayew. Maybe Sako too if he lowers his demands to half way reasonable which is presumably going to have to happen as no one's signed him yet.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boing_boing68 on July 07, 2015, 12:09:15 AM
£10million for Matty Phillips is way too much, if that is what they are after then we should move on, he isn't that good
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 07, 2015, 12:58:54 AM
Looking specifically at right wingers with British experience that might be available there aren't many

Townsend:  Possibly surplus to requirements at Spurs would cost more than £10m but a loan deal could be possible
Lennon: As with Townsend but going into the last year of his contract Spurs are keen to sell might be a deal to be done at less than £10m
Gnarby: Highly rated at Arsenal but path to the first team blocked possible loan deal although reported to want to return to Germany
Jota: Possibly a bit under the radar part of a very successful Brentford side worth a shot at half the price of Phillips
N'Zogbia In his last year at Villa (I know I can hear the laughter form Witton already)
Gradel Started out in England playing well for Saint-Étienne.

If we extend the search to include players with no English experience then we could easily add three or four names all of whom would cost less than Phillips be technically as good if not better but the obviously the concern would be whether or not they could adjust to the English game. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2015, 01:24:45 AM
Matt Jarvis???
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on July 07, 2015, 06:19:04 AM
Trouble is now, now that it has been leaked that we may have new owners,clubs will hike the price.

I would prefer Phillips or Townsend out of those mentioned by Stan.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 07, 2015, 06:50:07 AM
Trouble is now, now that it has been leaked that we may have new owners,clubs will hike the price.

I would prefer Phillips or Townsend out of those mentioned by Stan.

Good point, maybe the bulk of our business will be done in August after the takeover has happened ?.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on July 07, 2015, 07:38:29 AM
£10million for Matty Phillips is way too much, if that is what they are after then we should move on, he isn't that good

Although I believe Phillips has the potential to be a decent signing for us, I very much agree with your point.
JP has made a reputation of screwing the last penny out of opposition clubs when buying our players, but I do not like the idea of opposing chairmen doing the same to us. I still shudder at a combined £12,000,000 going on Sessegnon and Anichebe.

While I appreciate the selling club often has the upper hand in negotiations, QPR are in financial poo alley.
They are relying on the insanity of football finances which they themselves are breaking down on.
Don't give in to their  demands, drive the hardest bargain possible or move on to other targets.
Pay their rumoured asking price and other clubs will see that we are there to be taken for a ride.

Thanks but no thanks.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Astle1968 on July 07, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
The fact that it was reported at least that our initial offer was rejected and the clubs were continuing to negotiate suggests it's pretty close. If QPR had no intention of selling or more likely no intention of selling for less that the originally stated £10m you just state the players not for sale.

I reckon he will end up here for around £7m plus add ons taking it to £10m so both clubs are happy enough. Wec an say intial £7m deal and QPR can say they got £10m for him.

£7m I'd be happy enough although that is top end. Fans tend to over value their players slightly but if you look on the QPOR forums most think £7m is a fair price so it would suggest we are paying top price for him.

I'd be tempted to look at Lennon instead. Wages would bring him in line with our top earners like Lescott so not out of our reach and could probably be picked up for around £4m-£6m
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 07, 2015, 09:05:08 AM
The fact that it was reported at least that our initial offer was rejected and the clubs were continuing to negotiate suggests it's pretty close. If QPR had no intention of selling or more likely no intention of selling for less that the originally stated £10m you just state the players not for sale.

I reckon he will end up here for around £7m plus add ons taking it to £10m so both clubs are happy enough. Wec an say intial £7m deal and QPR can say they got £10m for him.

£7m I'd be happy enough although that is top end. Fans tend to over value their players slightly but if you look on the QPOR forums most think £7m is a fair price so it would suggest we are paying top price for him.

I'd be tempted to look at Lennon instead. Wages would bring him in line with our top earners like Lescott so not out of our reach and could probably be picked up for around £4m-£6m

Put it this way, if he flopped and we had paid £10 million, imagine the breast beating that would happen on here! ::)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 07, 2015, 09:20:21 AM
It does sound expensive but £7-8million is a fair price in the current inflated market. He cost QPR £5million when he was labelled a good Championship player with potential to improve. Since then he's shown he can be a game changer at the top level.

I remember the discussion on a Sessegnon thread where somebody said Sessegnon had 6 goals and 4 assists in his last 60 odd appearances.

Matt Phillips managed 3 goals and 8 assists since fully returning to playing on New Years Day. That's a really good return in a poorly performing team. So there's no reason why he shouldn't get more assists in a full West Brom season than Chris Brunt managed: 10.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 07, 2015, 09:22:06 AM
I like Phillips looks very handy to me and was dangerous for Blackpool and qpr, I imagine it would be a big miss for the club if he was our number one target.                 
Would it be worth trying to get him for 8 million plus ad ons absolutely if you ask me that is about the going rate unfortunately, Jarvis, Sako or Phillips no brainer for me.                 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 07, 2015, 09:26:36 AM
It does sound expensive but £7-8million is a fair price in the current inflated market. He cost QPR £5million when he was labelled a good Championship player with potential to improve. Since then he's shown he can be a game changer at the top level.

I remember the discussion on a Sessegnon thread where somebody said Sessegnon had 6 goals and 4 assists in his last 60 odd appearances.

Matt Phillips managed 3 goals and 8 assists since fully returning to playing on New Years Day. That's a really good return in a poorly performing team. So there's no reason why he shouldn't get more assists in a full West Brom season than Chris Brunt managed: 10.
Agree we also should be able to get 3/4 million for sess to.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 07, 2015, 10:29:16 AM
It does sound expensive but £7-8million is a fair price in the current inflated market. He cost QPR £5million when he was labelled a good Championship player with potential to improve. Since then he's shown he can be a game changer at the top level.

I remember the discussion on a Sessegnon thread where somebody said Sessegnon had 6 goals and 4 assists in his last 60 odd appearances.

Matt Phillips managed 3 goals and 8 assists since fully returning to playing on New Years Day. That's a really good return in a poorly performing team. So there's no reason why he shouldn't get more assists in a full West Brom season than Chris Brunt managed: 10.

Couple of points firstly with QPR doing the buying they almost certainly paid too much at £5m and of course now they are doing the selling that is their reference point rather than the £3m he probably should have cost and aside from a few patches of decent form he is not markedly improved as a player since his Blackpool days. £7m is pushing it but okay anything more and we really need to rethink. Ultimately he is an average Premier League player and as such cannot be the only avenue open to us.

I have just read that the player is keen on the move maybe he will drive to our training ground and wait in the car park until we agree a fee ;D


Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 07, 2015, 10:36:49 AM
Couple of points firstly with QPR doing the buying they almost certainly paid too much at £5m and of course now they are doing the selling that is their reference point rather than the £3m he probably should have cost and aside from a few patches of decent form he is not markedly improved as a player since his Blackpool days. £7m is pushing it but okay anything more and we really need to rethink. Ultimately he is an average Premier League player and as such cannot be the only avenue open to us.

I have just read that the player is keen on the move maybe he will drive to our training ground and wait in the car park until we agree a fee ;D

It seems that any half decent British player will command an unrealistic fee. Look at Shane Long for example. We either pay the going rate or shop around for the unknown foreigner and hope to strike lucky. I'm not sure that there is an in between. We've had very little success either way over the last few years.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DaveWBA on July 07, 2015, 10:37:16 AM
I have just read that the player is keen on the move maybe he will drive to our training ground and wait in the car park until we agree a fee ;D

Player and agent keen to get the deal done. Expect a compromise somewhere about £8m I would have thought.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 07, 2015, 10:41:50 AM
Qpr paying 5 million isn't to much from what I have seen one of there stand out performers last season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Webby on July 07, 2015, 10:46:06 AM
This is why until someone signs and is holding up the shirt I couldn't give a flying F about what local journos who "know" things say
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 07, 2015, 10:47:29 AM
Just posturing from both clubs I would have thought. I expect some kind of compromise eventually, may need Phillips to try and force it through.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 07, 2015, 10:59:27 AM
Like the Takeover, this transfer does seem to be dragging on, but what can you do but take every article you see with a huge pinch of salt, and like was said earlier, not believe anything until it's up on the official site. It's frustrating, and I think we are all getting impatient for some more movement on the transfer front, but it's just a case of trying to wait it out.

If we don't get Phillips then Routledge or Dyer from Swansea wouldn't be the worst signings.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on July 07, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
Like the Takeover, this transfer does seem to be dragging on, but what can you do but take every article you see with a huge pinch of salt, and like was said earlier, not believe anything until it's up on the official site. It's frustrating, and I think we are all getting impatient for some more movement on the transfer front, but it's just a case of trying to wait it out.

If we don't get Phillips then Routledge or Dyer from Swansea wouldn't be the worst signings.

I'd prefer either of them.  The Phillips price tag is ridiculous - Nani just went for about £4million and is twice the player Phillips is.  We should just move on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on July 07, 2015, 11:14:46 AM
Wonder how much of the haggling process is centring on the payment of 'loyalty bonuses'.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 07, 2015, 11:28:01 AM
I'd prefer either of them.  The Phillips price tag is ridiculous - Nani just went for about £4million and is twice the player Phillips is.  We should just move on.

United were willing to accept a low fee to get his £115k wage off the bill.

Dyer and Routledge are both older have a much lower product output. 3 goals and 2 assists for Dyer, 3 goals and 1 assist for Routledge. That was with an in form Wilfried Bony banging in the goals too.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on July 07, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
United were willing to accept a low fee to get his £115k wage off the bill.

Dyer and Routledge are both older have a much lower product output. 3 goals and 2 assists for Dyer, 3 goals and 1 assist for Routledge. That was with an in form Wilfried Bony banging in the goals too.

Regardless we should be going for players who are available rather than players that clubs don't want to let go.  How about Lennon or Townsend???

For someone as unproven as Phillips we should just move on and not be held to ransom.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 07, 2015, 11:47:04 AM
Townsend will apparently cost £15million and it sounds like he wants to stay down South.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-ham-want-15million-andros-6015702

Lennon is a good player who will leave for first team football. But it depends on what Spurs want for him, they seem to be only offering him in a player + money deal for some of their targets at the moment.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mat15(MH) on July 07, 2015, 12:09:17 PM
Bill Howell mentioned Downing in the story about moving onto other targets, I think he'd be a good signing. But apparently wants to move back up north so probably a no-go for us.

In the end, I think this transfer will happen, like people have said it will be a compromise on the fee, somewhere around 7-8 million.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 07, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
For £7-8 million I'd be happy to take the punt on Phillips. He's 24 so hopefully he's only going to get better
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 07, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
Bill Howell mentioned Downing in the story about moving onto other targets, I think he'd be a good signing. But apparently wants to move back up north so probably a no-go for us.

In the end, I think this transfer will happen, like people have said it will be a compromise on the fee, somewhere around 7-8 million.
7-8 million for a player who's cv reads Blackpool-relegated from prem
                                                                          QPR -        relegated rrom prem
 Says it all really lets move on.                               
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 07, 2015, 12:23:07 PM
7-8 million for a player who's cv reads Blackpool-relegated from prem
                                                                          QPR -        relegated rrom prem
 Says it all really lets move on.                               

You can't judge players solely based on what their club has done, especially when one club was so badly mismanaged. He's still relatively young for a Premier League footballer, so for ~£7 million I'd say go for it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hunsletbaggie on July 07, 2015, 12:32:23 PM
You can't judge players solely based on what their club has done, especially when one club was so badly mismanaged. He's still relatively young for a Premier League footballer, so for ~£7 million I'd say go for it.
But you can judge the affect they are having on their team and scoring a wonder goal when your team is already 3-0 down and the opposition is sitting back doesn't make you a 5-10 million pound player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 07, 2015, 12:37:53 PM
Matt Phillips managed 3 goals and 8 assists since fully returning to playing on New Years Day. That's a really good return in a poorly performing team. So there's no reason why he shouldn't get more assists in a full West Brom season than Chris Brunt managed: 10.

What about the 18 months before January 2015?  He didn't feature all that much and didn't shine.  So, it is his 2015 showing so far 'form' or class'?  Definitely wouldn't pay £10m for him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on July 07, 2015, 12:40:30 PM
I think you have to go with TP's judgement on Phillips as a player and his value.

TP would, IMO, improve Phillips as a player and as has been mentioned he is still only 24 with his best years ahead of him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on July 07, 2015, 12:42:04 PM
What about the 18 months before January 2015?  He didn't feature all that much and didn't shine.  So, it is his 2015 showing so far 'form' or class'?  Definitely wouldn't pay £10m for him.

10 million is the going rate for any player these days good or bad. (Brown Ideye)

I personally think he wont be allowed to slack under pulis and we might get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 07, 2015, 12:43:37 PM
But you can judge the affect they are having on their team and scoring a wonder goal when your team is already 3-0 down and the opposition is sitting back doesn't make you a 5-10 million pound player.

Yes but 3 goals and assists in 1821 minutes, which is around 20 games, is a good return for a team that was generally very poor.

When he was at Blackpool (age 19) and playing in the Prem, he got 2 goals and 3 assists in around 1000 minutes, which equates about 10 games. So even when he supposedly wasn't all that good, per 90 minutes he played, he still was getting a goal or an assist.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on July 07, 2015, 01:19:21 PM
For £7-8 million I'd be happy to take the punt on Phillips. He's 24 so hopefully he's only going to get better

For £7m to £8m yes, for £10m no
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: phbaggies on July 07, 2015, 01:22:54 PM
I just asked this question on Twitter but thought I would ask here too

Matt Phillips for £10m or Junior Hoillett for £2.5m, why is Hoillett so much cheaper than Phillips, have I missed something here?? Wasn't we chasing Hoillett last summer?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 07, 2015, 01:31:08 PM
For £7m to £8m yes, for £10m no

Yeah I'd agree on that. I don't think he's worth £7-ish million but if we don't get him, one of our competitors will, and so we have to factor in the cost of losing him to rival, which I'd say is especially important because he would hopefully become a start winger for us.

As I said early, what happens with this will take its time, and we just have to be patient.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 07, 2015, 01:39:20 PM
I just asked this question on Twitter but thought I would ask here too

Matt Phillips for £10m or Junior Hoillett for £2.5m, why is Hoillett so much cheaper than Phillips, have I missed something here?? Wasn't we chasing Hoillett last summer?

 More

Hoillett's stock has dropped. No goals or assists at all last season so he's regressed a lot.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on July 07, 2015, 01:41:53 PM
I just asked this question on Twitter but thought I would ask here too

Matt Phillips for £10m or Junior Hoillett for £2.5m, why is Hoillett so much cheaper than Phillips, have I missed something here?? Wasn't we chasing Hoillett last summer?







 More

Phillips is much better, younger, played more recently, has decent premier league stats for a winger, has longer contract, British based. Form seems to be on the up.

Hoillett is out of contract next summer , didn't really feature that much last season, 1 assist whole of last season 0 goals in 22 appearances(in around 10 games worth of time however). He doesn't seem to be improving.. that is why he is cheaper.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on July 07, 2015, 01:47:13 PM
I just asked this question on Twitter but thought I would ask here too

Matt Phillips for £10m or Junior Hoillett for £2.5m, why is Hoillett so much cheaper than Phillips, have I missed something here?? Wasn't we chasing Hoillett last summer?
http://www.espnfc.com/player/116662/david-hoilett (http://www.espnfc.com/player/116662/david-hoilett)
22 games played but couldn't get a single goal or assist.No for me.

For Matt Phillips,I think we could sign him finally with around 7m, it's a reasonable price for a British talent.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 07, 2015, 01:48:04 PM
Phillips is much better, younger, played more recently, has decent premier league stats for a winger, has longer contract, British based. Form seems to be on the up.

Hoillett is out of contract next summer , didn't really feature that much last season, 1 assist whole of last season 0 goals in 22 appearances(in around 10 games worth of time however). He doesn't seem to be improving.. that is why he is cheaper.

A perfect fit for us then.  ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on July 07, 2015, 02:01:33 PM
If he fits into what we are planning then pay it! No point going for a cheaper option who can't get a game because they are no better than what we have. We did that last year.
As the TV revenue goes up so does the asking price of players. If the scouting is right then we should know what our targets are valued at. It's one thing to drive a hard bargain, but sooner or later we have to step up and get the players we really want.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 07, 2015, 02:07:34 PM
Was only a couple of years ago that people were shouting for us to just pay the money when it came to the rumoured £8m wanted for Scott Sinclair. With that in mind I'm happy enough to trust the club on this one.

As I said before I just see it as posturing from both clubs and do believe there is a compromise to be found but it could come down to the player handing in a transfer request.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on July 07, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
Was only a couple of years ago that people were shouting for us to just pay the money when it came to the rumoured £8m wanted for Scott Sinclair. With that in mind I'm happy enough to trust the club on this one.

As I said before I just see it as posturing from both clubs and do believe there is a compromise to be found but it could come down to the player handing in a transfer request.
That's one example though, how often do we lose out over a few quid and end up with cheaper options that don't cut it.
I agree re trusting the club, but the scouting team are a massive part of that and if they identify someone that they really want then we should go for it, even if it means paying a bit more. Quality over quantity.
We all know that wingers are our priority this window, so let's make a point of doing everything in our power to get our first choice targets.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 07, 2015, 02:19:25 PM
We have our valuations of players while the selling clubs have theirs. If someone is willing to pay what the selling club wants and we don't want to match it then so be it that is the name of the game.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: fatboy_coach on July 07, 2015, 02:58:29 PM
7-8 million for a player who's cv reads Blackpool-relegated from prem
                                                                          QPR -        relegated rrom prem
 Says it all really lets move on.                             

Equally Big Vics CV says never relegated from the PL  :P

On a serious note, was it last year or the year before when Hoillet wouldn't join us because we wouldn't meet his 60k week demands? He can rot in the Chump for me.....

I'd rather us go to 8m for Philips than 6m Antonio
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 07, 2015, 04:37:21 PM
never in a million years worth 10 million
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: phbaggies on July 07, 2015, 04:41:32 PM
never in a million years worth 10 million
Hes worth what someone is willing to pay, no more or no less..... I could go on about Torres, Carroll, etc
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on July 07, 2015, 06:11:15 PM
would have taken Tom Ince at 4.5m.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on July 07, 2015, 06:25:28 PM
never in a million years worth 10 million

Nani went for 4.3m. Would not pay more than 6m

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/07/nani-manchester-united-fenerbahce
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on July 07, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
Nani went for 4.3m. Would not pay more than 6m

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/07/nani-manchester-united-fenerbahce

Nani only had one year left on his contract, while Philips has two years left.  This is a big factor in player values.   Important to compare like with like.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on July 07, 2015, 07:13:59 PM
Nani only had one year left on his contract, while Philips has two years left.  This is a big factor in player values.   Important to compare like with like.

True would you compare Phillips to Nani?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 07, 2015, 07:49:26 PM
True would you compare Phillips to Nani?

I would compare nani to my nanny and I think she might just edge it  :D.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Webby on July 07, 2015, 08:06:53 PM
Phillips would want 40/50k? Nani was on 115k. Pretty much why he was sold so cheap no one should be paying that a week for Nani!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on July 07, 2015, 09:37:34 PM
True would you compare Phillips to Nani?

All I know is that Nani was nowhere good enough for United!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on July 07, 2015, 09:44:02 PM
All I know is that Nani was nowhere good enough for United!

He was there for a good few years though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on July 08, 2015, 05:17:18 PM
According to tonight's E&S we may forget Phillips and go for Forest's Antonio, we made an offer for him in January but wouldn't pay the asking price. What was it, anyone remember? £2m that would be about right for us.

Jeez.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 08, 2015, 05:20:31 PM
According to tonight's E&S we may forget Phillips and go for Forest's Antonio, we made an offer for him in January but wouldn't pay the asking price. What was it, anyone remember? £2m that would be about right for us.

Jeez.

I'd rather we were looking at the likes of Jarvis and Downing, players with top flight experience before Antonio. My mates a Forest fan and hardly raves about him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: RuncornBaggie on July 08, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
All I know is that Nani was nowhere good enough for United!

He was good enough for the Thriller video though!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: popbaggie28 on July 08, 2015, 10:01:00 PM
Someone who I know his information is quite reliable says we've agreed a fee of 8.2m
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sammyg on July 08, 2015, 10:09:30 PM
Someone who I know his information is quite reliable says we've agreed a fee of 8.2m

Slightly too much for me but I'd be happy with this to come off even at 8.2m
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on July 08, 2015, 11:00:01 PM
Someone who I know his information is quite reliable says we've agreed a fee of 8.2m

Well you weren't wrong about the badge on the Albion kit so hopefully you're right again!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 08, 2015, 11:19:00 PM
Unless there's been some quiet bids inbetween, I doubt we'd jump from £5m to £8.2....but we will see.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 09, 2015, 12:13:18 AM
Unless there's been some quiet bids inbetween, I doubt we'd jump from £5m to £8.2....but we will see.

It's been widely reported/rumoured we had a bid of £7m turned down.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on July 09, 2015, 12:59:33 AM
It's been widely reported/rumoured we had a bid of £7m turned down.

It was 5 million we had rejected not 7.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 09, 2015, 08:03:34 AM
It was 5 million we had rejected not 7.
sure I've seen £7m rejected stories too.

Let's face it- with the we do business everyone, journos and fans alike, are guessing anyway.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: A5HB on July 09, 2015, 11:10:27 AM
Named in the QPR squad for their training camp in Italy that sets off today so doesn't look like anything has been agreed.

The sources on Twitter who claimed the fee was agreed, one of which is at the QPR end, are still adamant that its agreed and don't see why he's been named.

Can only assume that A) it hasn't been agreed B) it has and he doesn't want to come and has no interest in talking to us or C) it was agreed so late yesterday that none of the QPR media knew to change or could be bothered to change the press releases for today.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 09, 2015, 11:14:34 AM
Named in the QPR squad for their training camp in Italy that sets off today so doesn't look like anything has been agreed.

The sources on Twitter who claimed the fee was agreed, one of which is at the QPR end, are still adamant that its agreed and don't see why he's been named.

Can only assume that A) it hasn't been agreed B) it has and he doesn't want to come and has no interest in talking to us or C) it was agreed so late yesterday that none of the QPR media knew to change or could be bothered to change the press releases for today.

Or D) It's generally bad practice to freeze out and/or not train one of your players when it's not 100% guaranteed he will be going, so he can go and start pre-season with them, and then we don't end up with a player 1-2 weeks behind the rest of the squad
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: A5HB on July 09, 2015, 11:23:34 AM
Or D) It's generally bad practice to freeze out and/or not train one of your players when it's not 100% guaranteed he will be going, so he can go and start pre-season with them, and then we don't end up with a player 1-2 weeks behind the rest of the squad
Thats pretty much A) though isn't it. Nothing is agreed so he carries on as normal.

I can't imagine a club would agree a fee to sell a player and then just keep hold of them for a couple of weeks just in case, it wouldn't help anyone.

Yes it's bad practice to freeze out a player that has a slight chance of going, but once you agree to sell someone you would normally see the player go off for talks and medical pretty quickly.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 09, 2015, 02:01:31 PM
Thorne played for us last summer during his transfer saga. No big deal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: A5HB on July 09, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
Thorne played for us last summer during his transfer saga. No big deal.
Of course he did, that's perfectly normal. I've had a few people on here make the same point to me now so I should probably explain what my opening post meant.

I'm not saying Phillips playing for QPR is unusual, it's absolutely right that he plays for them. All I'm saying is that, if there was a fee agreed, as was rumoured yesterday, I wouldn't expect him to be going on tour, just as Thorne didn't with us as we agreed the deal with Derby as our squad went to the States.

The fact that he is travelling with them suggests nothing is close. So I was simply trying to maybe give some evidence against those rumours that appeared, which did seem to be from fairly trustworthy sources. So whilst nothing is close, he will obviously train with them, because there is no reason for him not to.

So before anyone else thinks I'm trying to claim I'm expecting Phillips to be cast aside by QPR at the first sign of interest, that is absolute 100% not what I'm saying. All I'm saying is, rumours of an AGREED fee from last night don't look like they are correct as it stands.

Not sure why that is tripping people up so much, I thought my original post stated quite clearly what I meant but obviously not.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AidantheBaggies on July 09, 2015, 02:14:23 PM
To be honest i am not a huge fan of Matt Philips and wouldn't pay a penny over 5 million for him.
Personally i'd move on to other targets.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 09, 2015, 02:36:41 PM
To be honest i am not a huge fan of Matt Philips and wouldn't pay a penny over 5 million for him.
Personally i'd move on to other targets.

I'm with you although I think I would probably rate him a little bit more highly, it is not that we don't have a right winger. I was disappointed not to land Ba or Gignac but Phillips while not being exactly ten a penny Phillips is hardly of such quality that we would struggle to find an alternative and paying over the odds for an average player is nearly always a bad idea.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on July 09, 2015, 02:46:37 PM
I can't see us getting a better winger than Phillips. Whats the alternative, Matt Jarvis? Antonio?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 09, 2015, 02:53:38 PM
I'm with you although I think I would probably rate him a little bit more highly, it is not that we don't have a right winger. I was disappointed not to land Ba or Gignac but Phillips while not being exactly ten a penny Phillips is hardly of such quality that we would struggle to find an alternative and paying over the odds for an average player is nearly always a bad idea.


Completely agree. All this fuss about Phillips ............. why? He really ain't that good. Yes I'd sign him to strengthen the squad if we could get him at bargain price but that's about it.

£5 mil buy anything more, forget it, not worth it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: darbolina on July 09, 2015, 03:03:03 PM
We'd be paying for the fact he's English, 24 and has potential to improve I imagine? We need signings who are less than 25 considering many of our current first teams are getting on for premier league players.

Winger-wise, I'm not sure who else we could get for around 5m who's played (well) in the premium league for at least half a season and wouldn't cost the Earth.

Remeber 6-8m this year is 2-3m a few years ago.

I'd expect a solid premier league performer (nothing special) for 8m these days looking around at what's been paid recently e.g. Snodgrass 8m?

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 09, 2015, 03:06:01 PM
If there are no wingers good enough then don't sign any, waste of money. We will get by for another season if we have to, no point in wasting money.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on July 09, 2015, 03:26:44 PM
While I am not a Tw@tter stalker, for those who are generally interested in such stuff, he posted this two hours ago:

"Off to Italy, bonding, game time and preparation! (thumbs up sign) "

https://twitter.com/phillips_matty (https://twitter.com/phillips_matty)

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on July 09, 2015, 06:11:34 PM
I wonder if we still have an interest in ex wolves winger sako, is phillips that much better than him at 5- 10 million whilst sako is available on a free.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on July 09, 2015, 06:42:55 PM
I wonder if we still have an interest in ex wolves winger sako, is phillips that much better than him at 5- 10 million whilst sako is available on a free.

Very good point although Sako isn't completely free as there would be a signing on fee payable to him.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on July 09, 2015, 08:05:53 PM
Very good point although Sako isn't completely free as there would be a signing on fee payable to him.
It might still workout to be a good cheaper alternative if the whole package is looked at.
signing on fee v transfer fee and I wouldn't think there'd be much difference in wage demands.
I can see us going for this if qpr play hardball for 10m for phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 09, 2015, 09:56:51 PM
To be honest i am not a huge fan of Matt Philips and wouldn't pay a penny over 5 million for him.
Personally i'd move on to other targets.

I can understand your pessimism Aidan, but I think you're downplaying how important he was to QPR last season. The team as a whole was poor, but Phillips and Austin did a really good job in difficult circumstances. If you take a look at the following link you will see how he compared to other good players in Europe in the 2nd half of the season:

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/09/cristiano-ronaldo-leo-messi-qpr-matt-phillips-assists

Total assists in Europe’s top five leagues since 1 January 2015

Lionel Messi (Barcelona) 8
Matt Phillips (QPR) 7
Kevin De Bruyne (Wolfsburg) 7
Franco Vázquez (Palermo) 5
Dimitri Payet (Marseille) 5
Marek Hamsik (Napoli) 5
Santi Cazorla (Arsenal) 5
Emil Hallfredsson (Verona) 5
Gonzalo Castro (Bayer Leverkusen) 5
Branislav Ivanovic (Chelsea) 4
Luis Suárez (Barcelona) 4

I'm not saying he's better than the players on that list of course. But who else on that list would be a realistic target for West Brom? Decent wages but no European football to offer. Phillips would add more goals and assists to the team. That's why he's worth more than £5million in todays market and I'm sure that's why Pulis has him as number 1 target.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 09, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
Yes I tend to agree. If we move onto someone else then who ? ...when was the last time Matt Jarvis pulled up any trees or even played regularly in the prem ?
As for us not signing anyone, it's clear that our lack of pace in the squad is the major thing Pulis wants to put right this summer.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 11, 2015, 11:30:57 AM
Not sure what our policy is on this one. We can't seriously have expected QPR to accept the £5m first offer .....just not the way it works. So presumably we knew we'd have to go higher and presumably we'd be prepared to go to £7m or £8m. I'm not aware of any further bid and it seems to have cooled off a bit.
As has been said, if we decide someone is our target then surely we have to be a bit more positive than this ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2015, 11:39:56 AM
As has been said, if we decide someone is our target then surely we have to be a bit more positive than this ?

Yes, but he may not be the number one target.
 ;).
And no, if he is not the number one target, I have no idea who is.
 :).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on July 11, 2015, 12:55:06 PM
I wonder if this signing will beat the record it took us to get Dichio and Koumas?  :D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 11, 2015, 01:56:27 PM
Yes, but he may not be the number one target.
 ;).
And no, if he is not the number one target, I have no idea who is.
 :).
But why would we bid £5m in the first place if he's not our no. 1 target ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on July 11, 2015, 02:15:48 PM
Not sure what our policy is on this one. We can't seriously have expected QPR to accept the £5m first offer .....just not the way it works. So presumably we knew we'd have to go higher and presumably we'd be prepared to go to £7m or £8m. I'm not aware of any further bid and it seems to have cooled off a bit.
As has been said, if we decide someone is our target then surely we have to be a bit more positive than this ?


Very good point. If they value the player at £10 million then why start the bidding at £5 million? Ultimately it achieves absolutely nothing.

Its about time we started aggressively attacking a transfer window.

Last year when Derby (who are a Championship club) wanted Thorne they refused to accept no for an answer and every few days they increased the offer.

After 6 years in the Premier League why are we still seemingly stuck in a time warp? 



Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 11, 2015, 02:17:35 PM


Very good point. If they value the player at £10 million then why start the bidding at £5 million? Ultimately it achieves absolutely nothing.

Its about time we started aggressively attacking a transfer window.

Last year when Derby (who are a Championship club) wanted Thorne they refused to accept no for an answer and every few days they increased the offer.

After 6 years in the Premier League why are we still seemingly stuck in a time warp?


Lol. I hope you aren't holding your breath.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 11, 2015, 03:06:45 PM
Its all posturing. You don't go all out with a first bid or you quickly find yourself in financial trouble, you have a starting point and then negotiate from there to try and find a compromise. If we hadn't been given any encouragement from QPR and the player then we would have given up by now.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on July 11, 2015, 04:36:30 PM
But why would we bid £5m in the first place if he's not our no. 1 target ?

To test the water I would imagine, I believe that's how 'negotiations' work anyway.
I doubt QPR would have accepted an initial bid from us even if it were for £10,000,000.
The opening bid is just a marker which nobody else will then go below.

Ed: as for the not first choice part, club's usually have several irons in the fire, some of whom they are willing to pay more for depending on their current contract and market value.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Tipton Baggie on July 11, 2015, 04:42:00 PM
You dont go in with your final offer from the start. You test the water, squeeze what you can out of them. They'll most likely want 10 we say no and offer 7M. Its £2M up on original offer and everybodys happy.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 11, 2015, 04:59:54 PM
To test the water I would imagine, I believe that's how 'negotiations' work anyway.
I doubt QPR would have accepted an initial bid from us even if it were for £10,000,000.
The opening bid is just a marker which nobody else will then go below.

Ed: as for the not first choice part, club's usually have several irons in the fire, some of whom they are willing to pay more for depending on their current contract and market value.
Yes but if we have preferred targets but they are deemed too expensive to bid for then they are not really realistic targets and Phillips would by default become our number 1 target. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on July 11, 2015, 07:04:23 PM
Its all posturing. You don't go all out with a first bid or you quickly find yourself in financial trouble, you have a starting point and then negotiate from there to try and find a compromise. If we hadn't been given any encouragement from QPR and the player then we would have given up by now.

But by the same token if you are buying a house at say £100k you usually offer about £90k, you don't say i will give you £50k for it,that's a 50 percent reduction.

We knew the price they valued him at, if we were serious we would have made a first offer of £8k.

All this is smoke and mirror's by Peace again.

Megson gave him a list and then went on tour, it seems that Pulis has fallen for the same trick.

We will still be trying to sign players on August 31.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on July 11, 2015, 07:25:28 PM
But by the same token if you are buying a house at say £100k you usually offer about £90k, you don't say i will give you £50k for it,that's a 50 percent reduction.

We knew the price they valued him at, if we were serious we would have made a first offer of £8k.

All this is smoke and mirror's by Peace again.

Megson gave him a list and then went on tour, it seems that Pulis has fallen for the same trick.

We will still be trying to sign players on August 31.

Sorry but that's ridiculous. You don't just jump in and bow down to what the selling club wants. It's all about spending wisely and offering 8 million as the opening offer for Matt Phillips is far from wise. No doubt the club are still talking with QPR and have a list of back up options in case they lose patience with the potential matt Phillips deal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 11, 2015, 07:49:09 PM
But by the same token if you are buying a house at say £100k you usually offer about £90k, you don't say i will give you £50k for it,that's a 50 percent reduction.

We knew the price they valued him at, if we were serious we would have made a first offer of £8k.

All this is smoke and mirror's by Peace again.

Megson gave him a list and then went on tour, it seems that Pulis has fallen for the same trick.

We will still be trying to sign players on August 31.

now that would have been a ridiculous bid!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: PepeMel on July 11, 2015, 08:10:08 PM
He will go to palace mark my words
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sammyg on July 11, 2015, 08:15:26 PM
He will go to palace mark my words

Can't see him going there unless Bolasie or zaha are leaving
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 11, 2015, 08:16:05 PM
Was going to say they have better than him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Joust on July 11, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
Heard from a reliable source today that the players Pulis wants are of a much higher calibre than we are used to aiming for. He doesn't rate Phillips at £10m and is deciding weather to move onto a lesser player or try to haggle with a club who won't answer/return calls. This is the kind of brinkmanship that is going on at the moment.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on July 11, 2015, 10:51:50 PM
Can't see him going there unless Bolasie or zaha are leaving
I agree with that. Bolaise and Zaha were both great last season so I can't see it. Plus they just spent £12 million on Cabaye who is on around £70k p/w so I doubt they will spend much more money.
In my opinion, it's clubs like Sunderland, Newcastle and Saints who would be our main rivals for Phillips, not Palace.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Chipperfan on July 12, 2015, 05:54:49 AM


Very good point. If they value the player at £10 million then why start the bidding at £5 million? Ultimately it achieves absolutely nothing.

Its about time we started aggressively attacking a transfer window.

Last year when Derby (who are a Championship club) wanted Thorne they refused to accept no for an answer and every few days they increased the offer.

After 6 years in the Premier League why are we still seemingly stuck in a time warp?

Remind me again, which division are Derby in?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 12, 2015, 10:02:30 AM
QPR want as much money as possible. It's in their best interest to pay him another months wage in the hope of getting an extra £1 or 2million if a bidding war starts.

It's the same for Austin too. Half the league are interested but nobody has been able to meet their valuation yet.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 12, 2015, 12:13:52 PM
Can't see him going there unless Bolasie or zaha are leaving

Strength in depth? I honestly think that if we do manage to agree a fee someone more attractive will match it and we lose out. I‘d rather we find this out sooner and move on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 13, 2015, 10:00:10 AM
Palace won't spend that sort of money on another winger - they've spent a lot of their budget on Cabaye already.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 13, 2015, 10:06:59 AM
Palace won't spend that sort of money on another winger - they've spent a lot of their budget on Cabaye already.

I'm not sure we know what their budget is to be fair.

they have been linked with Austin at 15m. if they are willing to offer that and he goes elsewhere they suddenly have 15m spare to spend
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 13, 2015, 11:22:34 AM
Well what I'm really saying is - as they are well stocked on the wings.  Puncheon, Zaha, Bolasie to start with it's unlikely they're up for gazumping us for a winger for £10m too.  They have areas that need strengthening - just like, as you a striker.

I mean you can try and keep 4 wingers happy but unless they get long term injuries it would be pretty difficult right?

I think Philips will be ours - unless Pulis decides to go for someone else.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 13, 2015, 01:37:55 PM
I'm not sure we know what their budget is to be fair.

they have been linked with Austin at 15m. if they are willing to offer that and he goes elsewhere they suddenly have 15m spare to spend

Read last week that they were going to offer QPR a deal of £6M plus players for Austin. Maybe they don't have that much money to play with.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3155146/Crystal-Palace-set-make-6m-exchange-bid-QPR-striker-Charlie-Austin-look-bolster-strikeforce.html

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: darbolina on July 13, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
Anichebe plus 8m or 9m for Austin
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on July 13, 2015, 09:13:25 PM
Anichebe plus 8m or 9m for Austin

That would mean you value Anichebe at 6 million to match their 15 million evaluation which is absurd. If we were going to offer anichebe aswell as cash we would probably be looking at Anichebe plus 13.5 million.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 14, 2015, 08:52:30 AM
That would mean you value Anichebe at 6 million to match their 15 million evaluation which is absurd. If we were going to offer anichebe aswell as cash we would probably be looking at Anichebe plus 13.5 million.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.
He's got interest from 9 other Premier League clubs. That fact alone will put us well down his list of prefered moves, so I'd be more than surprised to see him turn up here.
(Austin I'm talking about BTW)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on July 14, 2015, 08:55:09 AM
That would mean you value Anichebe at 6 million to match their 15 million evaluation which is absurd. If we were going to offer anichebe aswell as cash we would probably be looking at Anichebe plus 13.5 million.
If Austin is worth £15m, surely we'd have to give then £16m and Anichebe?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on July 14, 2015, 09:03:12 AM
If Austin is worth £15m, surely we'd have to give then £16m and Anichebe?

Yes we would as they would need to hire another club doctor.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on July 14, 2015, 05:09:41 PM
£10 million for Phillips is too much and QPR are taking the pee trying to hold out for that much. I very much doubt if any club will pay that. We should tell them to get stuffed and only to give us a call if/when they come down from cloud cuckoo land
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: telford baggie on July 14, 2015, 05:24:11 PM
if its true that qpr wont budge on 10m then we should be walking away not messing around chasing shadows  times ticking
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: costa blanca baggie on July 14, 2015, 05:46:54 PM
if its true that qpr wont budge on 10m then we should be walking away not messing around chasing shadows  times ticking
Maybe we have walked away.  ;)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 14, 2015, 06:28:16 PM
if its true that qpr wont budge on 10m then we should be walking away not messing around chasing shadows  times ticking
Question is where do we walk ? Whoever we go for at this stage of the window will be driving a hard bargain, including Forest with Antonio. It seems to be very hard to get players in early unless you are prepared to offer very close to the price being asked, inflated or not.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 14, 2015, 06:29:08 PM
£10 million for Phillips is too much and QPR are taking the pee trying to hold out for that much. I very much doubt if any club will pay that. We should tell them to get stuffed and only to give us a call if/when they come down from cloud cuckoo land

Just imagine how much he'd be worth if we were trying to sell him. £15-20m probably. I think we've took the pee big time in the past when selling players yet offer a pittance when trying to buy.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 14, 2015, 06:32:49 PM
Think you also have to remember the whole saga with Odemwingie and QPR. That might also play a part in their reluctancy to reduce the price.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 14, 2015, 06:34:59 PM
Question is where do we walk ? Whoever we go for at this stage of the window will be driving a hard bargain, including Forest with Antonio. It seems to be very hard to get players in early unless you are prepared to offer very close to the price being asked, inflated or not.

We will move onto poorer quality players as they will come cheaper unfortunately.  I don't think prices will get any keener closer to the end of the window either. Selling club s will know how desperate we are and hold out for good money especially if they don't need to sell. Look how we paid over the odds for Anichebe and Sess. We'll end up doing the same this year.

Prices are massively inflated. We either pay up or risk falling further behind.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: telford baggie on July 14, 2015, 06:52:05 PM
Question is where do we walk ? Whoever we go for at this stage of the window will be driving a hard bargain, including Forest with Antonio. It seems to be very hard to get players in early unless you are prepared to offer very close to the price being asked, inflated or not.
i see where your coming from but as soon as january transfer window shuts we should be scouting our next targets...if prices are to high and we know that why do we bother chasing for weeks and then put silly bids in...i think the problem weve got is we are chasing british  targets so prices are always higher ...if were not  prepared to pay x amount  then we should be looking for better value but quality signings from abroad
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 14, 2015, 07:03:17 PM
Pulls chooses where the budget is spent and if he doesn't feel Phillips will contribute what a £10m player should contribute to a team then so be it. In Pulis we trust.

If Pulis thinks Antonio at £6m or Gnabry on a loan is better value per contribution then again so be it. In Pulis we trust.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 14, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
If Ferdinand is adamant that they will hold out for the full £10m we should be kicking this deal into touch now.
Move on to other targets that are doable
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 14, 2015, 07:23:11 PM
If there was no encouragement about a potential price from QPR I think we would have already moved on by now, we possibly have done if we are now definitely talking to Forest about Antonio.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 14, 2015, 07:27:45 PM
I can see us waiting until January for this one.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 14, 2015, 09:20:05 PM
Question is where do we walk ? Whoever we go for at this stage of the window will be driving a hard bargain, including Forest with Antonio. It seems to be very hard to get players in early unless you are prepared to offer very close to the price being asked, inflated or not.
Well
Blanco
Varela
Sessegnon
For a start...., I think there is plenty out there and there always seems some really good tricky ,pacey wingers in France and Portugal
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 14, 2015, 10:04:17 PM
Well
Blanco
Varela
Sessegnon
For a start...., I think there is plenty out there and there always seems some really good tricky ,pacey wingers in France and Portugal
Not sure what you are saying there Zippy re Blanco, Varela and Sess ? - no doubt they have ability but hardly Pulis' dream trio.
I'd be delighted if we have our eyes on one or two in France, Portugal or wherever as long as they are good and are what Pulis is looking for.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 14, 2015, 10:26:11 PM
Regrettably I don't see us looking overseas we will move on to Antonio and pay Forest £6m which in it's own way is no better than paying QPR £10m for Phillips. Yes he has experience of playing in England but none at Premier League level and I am sure £6m would buy a better player form half a dozen leagues across Europe.

However I think with QPR nailing their colours to the mast so publically the Phillips deal is dead, equally I don't see us agreeing a fee for Austin so I hope we don't waste time pursing that deal. In fact let's forget QPR altogher as we seem incapable of agreeing a fee with them almost regardless of the player involved




 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 14, 2015, 10:53:20 PM
Whether its to us or not I get the feeling that QPR "outgoings" will go to the wire unless any club is stupid enough to offer them silly money. QPR need money which is well known due to their debts so they are trying to play hardball but anyone interested in one of their players whether Phillips, Austin or Caulker is going to wait or keeping making lower offers than QPR have stated they want knowing that the time will come where QPR have to buckle.

Going to be the long game. I saw earlier that our interest in Antonio is alongside our interest in Phillips, not instead  off.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on July 14, 2015, 11:08:13 PM
Whether its to us or not I get the feeling that QPR "outgoings" will go to the wire unless any club is stupid enough to offer them silly money. QPR need money which is well known due to their debts so they are trying to play hardball but anyone interested in one of their players whether Phillips, Austin or Caulker is going to wait or keeping making lower offers than QPR have stated they want knowing that the time will come where QPR have to buckle.

Going to be the long game. I saw earlier that our interest in Antonio is alongside our interest in Phillips, not instead  off.

Time will tell.
bloody hell we will have more wingers than .coms got whingers.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 15, 2015, 06:24:45 AM
Whether its to us or not I get the feeling that QPR "outgoings" will go to the wire unless any club is stupid enough to offer them silly money. QPR need money which is well known due to their debts so they are trying to play hardball but anyone interested in one of their players whether Phillips, Austin or Caulker is going to wait or keeping making lower offers than QPR have stated they want knowing that the time will come where QPR have to buckle.

Going to be the long game. I saw earlier that our interest in Antonio is alongside our interest in Phillips, not instead  off.

Time will tell.

Could be playing the game with QPR just to let them think we have alternatives and could turn to them if QPR keep playing hardball
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on July 15, 2015, 08:59:24 AM
Impossible.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 15, 2015, 10:48:29 AM
I'm not 100% certain, but I think the problem with chasing Antonio is that Forest have a transfer embargo still in place i.e. - they won't be able to buy a replacement, so unless the Chairman wants to bring money in to help balance the books (or meet the FFP rules) there is little incentive to deal at a reasonable price.  I think any signing they make must not cost the club a transfer fee and must cost less than £600,000 a year.

I think they also have lost 2 players to Newcastle - they were purchased last summer and loaned back to Forest... Darlo the GK, and Lascelles (def).  So, unless there is a financial imperative (or a player really kicking up a stink) there is little incentive for Forest to sell.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 15, 2015, 12:59:46 PM
I'm not 100% certain, but I think the problem with chasing Antonio is that Forest have a transfer embargo still in place i.e. - they won't be able to buy a replacement, so unless the Chairman wants to bring money in to help balance the books (or meet the FFP rules) there is little incentive to deal at a reasonable price.  I think any signing they make must not cost the club a transfer fee and must cost less than £600,000 a year.

I think they also have lost 2 players to Newcastle - they were purchased last summer and loaned back to Forest... Darlo the GK, and Lascelles (def).  So, unless there is a financial imperative (or a player really kicking up a stink) there is little incentive for Forest to sell.

There is a vicious circle here is to get out of the embargo they need to balance the books to balance the books they have to reduce their wage bill and or bring in fees from player sales. Okay they could get out of it if they got promoted but overtime their squad will get weaker the longer the embargo is in place at some point they have to bite the bullet and sell to balance the books
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on July 15, 2015, 02:26:29 PM
I can see us waiting until January for this one.

I dont think he will start the season off at QPR could be with us or else were
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on July 16, 2015, 11:24:02 AM
Villa are now being linked with Phillips!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 16, 2015, 06:14:30 PM
I think the only way we would get him is if he puts in a transfer request and that looks unlikely

http://www.teamtalk.com/queens-park-rangers/9915002/-
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 16, 2015, 10:00:17 PM
I dont think he will start the season off at QPR could be with us or else were

bet he ends up at villa  >:(
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on July 17, 2015, 12:18:28 AM
bet he ends up at villa  >:(

And if he does we move on to other targets simple as that. If Villa want to pay ten million for him thenthey need their heads checking.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 17, 2015, 12:12:23 PM
And if he does we move on to other targets simple as that. If Villa want to pay ten million for him thenthey need their heads checking.

proven, young, premiership winger. i reckon £10m will seem like at snip at the end of the window.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: royhan on July 17, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
If we want Phillips- and we clearly do -then we must stop the pussyfooting and agree a deal close to the asking price. Relegation at the end of next season would be a financial catastrophe.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 17, 2015, 12:29:23 PM
This is turning into a joke. If 10 million is the price for Sinclair why don't we just pay it?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on July 17, 2015, 12:34:32 PM
This is turning into a joke. If 10 million is the price for Sinclair why don't we just pay it?

I hope we don't pay 10 million for Sinclair
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 17, 2015, 12:36:12 PM
This is turning into a joke. If 10 million is the price for Sinclair why don't we just pay it?
Because he may just end up like Sinclair. I remember people crying out for us to just pay what City wanted to get Sinclair...
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 17, 2015, 12:38:37 PM
Because he may just end up like Sinclair. I remember people crying out for us to just pay what City wanted to get Sinclair...

Brilliant post mate and agree with that.

I remember majority of this board saying go and pay the fee and get him in, proven winger etc etc.

Didnt exactly turn out to be a success did it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on July 17, 2015, 12:42:32 PM
I hope and I don't think that London baggie means Sinclair but Phillips
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hayward1984 on July 17, 2015, 12:43:00 PM
This is turning into a joke. If 10 million is the price for Sinclair why don't we just pay it?

Just PAY THE MONEY!

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 17, 2015, 12:59:55 PM
proven, young, premiership winger. i reckon £10m will seem like at snip at the end of the window.

Proven? He had a good 4 months
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 17, 2015, 01:16:40 PM
Because he may just end up like Sinclair. I remember people crying out for us to just pay what City wanted to get Sinclair...

Or he may turn out to be our best player and give our one dimensional side a massive advantage. Sinclair just didn't work out here due to one reason or another but it's not to say he's a bad player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 17, 2015, 01:29:35 PM
Proven? He had a good 4 months

4 more months than Gamboa, Blanco and Varela managed :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Signor_Maresca on July 17, 2015, 02:58:52 PM
4 more months than Gamboa, Blanco and Varela managed :)

True but £10M is still alot for 4 good months.  We are right to hold our ground with the fee in my opinion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 17, 2015, 03:05:18 PM
Similar fee to Van Wolfswinkle! :o
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 17, 2015, 04:41:33 PM
Be interesting to know what our highest bid for him has been. I would offer £8m then walk away for a couple of weeks if it's rejected.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 17, 2015, 04:58:04 PM
The point that's missed in all this is, when the big clubs make transfer errors, they can afford it to a degree (although Andy Carroll at Liverpool was pretty damaging), but when the smaller clubs do it, like Norwich, it is potentially catastrophic.

I'm fine with us setting limits.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on July 17, 2015, 06:37:15 PM
The point that's missed in all this is, when the big clubs make transfer errors, they can afford it to a degree (although Andy Carroll at Liverpool was pretty damaging), but when the smaller clubs do it, like Norwich, it is potentially catastrophic.

I'm fine with us setting limits.

Andy Carroll suprised me at the time as Liverpool's style of play didnt suit Carrolls game.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Londonbaggymike on July 17, 2015, 09:37:48 PM
Brilliant post mate and agree with that.

I remember majority of this board saying go and pay the fee and get him in, proven winger etc etc.

Didnt exactly turn out to be a success did it.

That is the point I was making.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kc56wba on August 04, 2015, 09:21:28 AM
What do you make of this then folks?

Chris Ramsey has reiterated that QPR will not reduce their asking price for Matt Phillips.

 West London Sport  revealed last month that Rangers had rejected an offer from West Brom for Phillips and want £10m for the 23-year-old winger.

QPR director of football Les Ferdinand later dismissed reports that Albion were moving closer to reaching an agreement.

And head coach Ramsey says there is currently no prospect of the Scotland international being allowed to leave Loftus Road.

“We’ve had offers for him but they’ve been [from] people who are trying to take advantage of our situation,” Ramsey said
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: A5HB on August 04, 2015, 09:36:05 AM
What do you make of this then folks?

Chris Ramsey has reiterated that QPR will not reduce their asking price for Matt Phillips.

 West London Sport  revealed last month that Rangers had rejected an offer from West Brom for Phillips and want £10m for the 23-year-old winger.

QPR director of football Les Ferdinand later dismissed reports that Albion were moving closer to reaching an agreement.

And head coach Ramsey says there is currently no prospect of the Scotland international being allowed to leave Loftus Road.

“We’ve had offers for him but they’ve been [from] people who are trying to take advantage of our situation,” Ramsey said
Not really a surprise. They aren't going to weaken their bargaining position but suddenly saying they might be willing to compromise. I still think we have a chance of landing him myself but it will drag on right to the end. Not sure it really helps us if we can't get something sorted with them though as our alternatives may end up elsewhere if we hold out for too long but if he is our top target I suppose the club will say it's worth waiting if we feel we can get him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on August 04, 2015, 09:42:35 AM
I think that's the kind of rhetoric I would expect from a selling club trying to maximise the fee.

At the end of the day the player is worth what a team is prepared to pay for him. If TP decides he's worth £10m, then so be it, if not move on to the next on the list.

QPR have a high risk strategy that may or may not come off, but it's to be expected.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 04, 2015, 10:20:27 AM
What do you make of this then folks?

Chris Ramsey has reiterated that QPR will not reduce their asking price for Matt Phillips.

 West London Sport  revealed last month that Rangers had rejected an offer from West Brom for Phillips and want £10m for the 23-year-old winger.

QPR director of football Les Ferdinand later dismissed reports that Albion were moving closer to reaching an agreement.

And head coach Ramsey says there is currently no prospect of the Scotland international being allowed to leave Loftus Road.

“We’ve had offers for him but they’ve been [from] people who are trying to take advantage of our situation,” Ramsey said


What is there to say? He is saying what you would expect him to say. From early on you knew this potential transfer was going to be a long running one before both clubs found any middle ground.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 04, 2015, 11:36:43 AM
At what point do we move on? QPR may not sell at all. They may agree to a £6m fee and someone else comes in on deadline day and beats us to his signing. I can see him staying with QPR with us not signing anyone else and then going back for him in January.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 04, 2015, 11:41:39 AM
At what point do we move on? QPR may not sell at all. They may agree to a £6m fee and someone else comes in on deadline day and beats us to his signing. I can see him staying with QPR with us not signing anyone else and then going back for him in January.
if thats the case, we take Sako (who a free agent and not subject to the window) and move on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 04, 2015, 11:45:48 AM
if thats the case, we take Sako (who a free agent and not subject to the window) and move on.

Assuming no one else takes Sako in the meantime that is. For me signing Sako on a free is a no brainer. Is Phillips or Antonio really that much better for the additional money? The money saved could be put to better use i.e. another striker or quality CM.

My concern is we miss out on all of them.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 04, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
Assuming no one else takes Sako in the meantime that is. For me signing Sako on a free is a no brainer. Is Phillips or Antonio really that much better for the additional money? The money saved could be put to better use i.e. another striker or quality CM.

My concern is we miss out on all of them.
he's not gone anywhere yet and even if someone else gets him, he's hardly the only free agent out there,even as a season's stopgap
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on August 04, 2015, 11:59:58 AM
Assuming no one else takes Sako in the meantime that is. For me signing Sako on a free is a no brainer. Is Phillips or Antonio really that much better for the additional money? The money saved could be put to better use i.e. another striker or quality CM.

My concern is we miss out on all of them.

yep, I said earlier if we miss out on both of them we will look like real mugs
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 04, 2015, 12:03:10 PM
he's not gone anywhere yet and even if someone else gets him, he's hardly the only free agent out there,even as a season's stopgap

We will never improve the squad if we keep signing 'stopgaps'. We need to be signing quality players who can go straight into our starting 11. We've had our fingers burned on many occasions bringing in free agents so close to the start of the season. I would imagine any free agents still available who haven't had a proper pre-season will be of very little use to us. Even Sako could take several weeks to get up to speed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 04, 2015, 12:20:42 PM
Not good enough for the money wanted, move on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 04, 2015, 12:54:20 PM
I have a feeling we'll try and push this one to the wire and end up selling the squad short again. If we keep dithering on Sako, he'll get annoyed and walk away, and we'll end up with no-one.

Of course, I'd get Sako in, and still be in for Phillips - mostly because one plays left and one right.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 04, 2015, 01:01:54 PM
This is an interesting one as they are obviously trying to take advantage of the additional money to premiership clubs as much as clubs are potentially trying to take advantage of them. They have no doubt seen what our final payment will likely be for James Chester (who had one year remaining on his contract) and the potential final payment for David Marshall (should it take place) and be holding out to see what they can get from us or any other suitors.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 04, 2015, 01:04:29 PM
I have a feeling we'll try and push this one to the wire and end up selling the squad short again. If we keep dithering on Sako, he'll get annoyed and walk away, and we'll end up with no-one.

Of course, I'd get Sako in, and still be in for Phillips - mostly because one plays left and one right.

So you'd have McManaman and McLean as Subs? Sess to be sold?

in theory we'd have two 1st choice capable people everywhere, but in practice I can't see us buying more than 1 winger now.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 04, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
I have a feeling we'll try and push this one to the wire and end up selling the squad short again. If we keep dithering on Sako, he'll get annoyed and walk away, and we'll end up with no-one.

Of course, I'd get Sako in, and still be in for Phillips - mostly because one plays left and one right.

To who? he doesn't appear to be inundated with options at present.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 04, 2015, 01:11:19 PM
So you'd have McManaman and McLean as Subs? Sess to be sold?

in theory we'd have two 1st choice capable people everywhere, but in practice I can't see us buying more than 1 winger now.

It wouldn't be as simple as that. They are not too far off each other ability wise therefore it would make great competition for the squad. Factor in injuries, loss of form and suspensions and you could easily carry 4 wingers. Sess to move on too if we can find a buyer as it's obvious he's not a Pulis player. If he is to stay then surely he should only be played through the middle and not out wide.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 04, 2015, 01:18:36 PM
So you'd have McManaman and McLean as Subs? Sess to be sold?

in theory we'd have two 1st choice capable people everywhere, but in practice I can't see us buying more than 1 winger now.

Football is now a squad game, with the idea of having as strong a squad as you can. That means, in practice, two good players in each position (with three keepers).

Nobody would be first or second choice as a right, it should depend on factors including form and opposition, and of course, injuries. You need good cover.

And why would four wingers mean Sessegnon getting sold? His best position is just off a loan forward, an option that it would be good to have in our arsenal. You don't want to keep playing players out of position.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 04, 2015, 01:24:14 PM
Football is now a squad game, with the idea of having as strong a squad as you can. That means, in practice, two good players in each position (with three keepers).

Nobody would be first or second choice as a right, it should depend on factors including form and opposition, and of course, injuries. You need good cover.

And why would four wingers mean Sessegnon getting sold? His best position is just off a loan forward, an option that it would be good to have in our arsenal. You don't want to keep playing players out of position.

I think that's been a big problem for us over the last year or two. The side has pretty much picked itself and still does now to a degree. Players are far too comfortable as the 'squad fillers' haven't been good enough to press for a starting role. As you say we need better players to improve the competition.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on August 04, 2015, 02:47:09 PM
Gardner can play on the wing too, in fact I'd start him on the wing against City.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on August 04, 2015, 03:08:27 PM
Gardner can play on the wing too, in fact I'd start him on the wing against City.

no he cant play on the wing, we can shove him out wide right to fill a hole but that does not make him a winger
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 04, 2015, 03:11:56 PM
no he cant play on the wing, we can shove him out wide right to fill a hole but that does not make him a winger
Is it a bad time to also mention he's a full back too?  :P
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on August 04, 2015, 04:22:01 PM
Is it a bad time to also mention he's a full back too?  :P


YES.......LOL
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on August 04, 2015, 06:12:33 PM
no he cant play on the wing, we can shove him out wide right to fill a hole but that does not make him a winger
Defensively, he is actually a very good winger for us. Last year against Palace away, his role was to completely defend and keep Zaha quiet, he barely crossed the half way line and was constantly tracking back, hence why he'd be fine against Man City.
In an attacking sense on the wing, I agree he is never a winger, but in certain situations he is very useful on the wing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AbDabs on August 05, 2015, 08:26:28 AM
Defensively, he is actually a very good winger for us. Last year against Palace away, his role was to completely defend and keep Zaha quiet, he barely crossed the half way line and was constantly tracking back, hence why he'd be fine against Man City.
In an attacking sense on the wing, I agree he is never a winger, but in certain situations he is very useful on the wing.

Surely a winger who never goes on the wing, but stays in his own half all the game is a full back?!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on August 05, 2015, 08:46:53 AM
Surely a winger who never goes on the wing, but stays in his own half all the game is a full back?!

Not necessarily if when we win the ball they are then breaking forward.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on August 05, 2015, 08:51:54 AM
Defensively, he is actually a very good winger for us. Last year against Palace away, his role was to completely defend and keep Zaha quiet, he barely crossed the half way line and was constantly tracking back, hence why he'd be fine against Man City.
In an attacking sense on the wing, I agree he is never a winger, but in certain situations he is very useful on the wing.

A defensive winger....really???? Surely thats called a full back

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on August 05, 2015, 02:38:49 PM
A defensive winger....really???? Surely thats called a full back
Are you being pedantic on purpose?
Re-watch the Palace away game if you want. It's common knowledge that under Pulis, against certain teams, certain players will have to defend a lot more which was Gardner's case against Palace. He defended and helped Dawson out. No he wasn't a wing-back as having two in the same position would be suicide. However, he wasn't bombing forward or doing many crosses either, he was extremely defensive in the midfield on the wing, it's not hard to understand.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:06:07 PM
Are you being pedantic on purpose?
Re-watch the Palace away game if you want. It's common knowledge that under Pulis, against certain teams, certain players will have to defend a lot more which was Gardner's case against Palace. He defended and helped Dawson out. No he wasn't a wing-back as having two in the same position would be suicide. However, he wasn't bombing forward or doing many crosses either, he was extremely defensive in the midfield on the wing, it's not hard to understand.

 i think its you whos being pedantic.

why would you have a right back then a right defensive winger, there isnt even a name for such a position.

certain teams, certain players.........you mean every feckin game under pulis.

the football is w4nk at best, pulis is going to ruin our club mark my words.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: jwilkes90 on August 05, 2015, 03:18:03 PM
i think its you whos being pedantic.

why would you have a right back then a right defensive winger, there isnt even a name for such a position.

certain teams, certain players.........you mean every feckin game under pulis.

the football is w4nk at best, pulis is going to ruin our club mark my words.

Like he ruined Stoke and Palace? To me both clubs have benefitted from the strong platform he put in place. His style of football can be defensive at times but so was Hodgson's. Unless we spend megabucks we will always have to double up against the best wingers in the league to get something out of games.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 03:19:06 PM
i think its you whos being pedantic.

why would you have a right back then a right defensive winger, there isnt even a name for such a position.

certain teams, certain players.........you mean every feckin game under pulis.

the football is w4nk at best, pulis is going to ruin our club mark my words.

I agree mate but I still think he'll keep us up. Sadly all entertainment will be sacrificed with the sole aim being survival. I certainly won't be paying to watch the dross served up regardless of results.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:20:23 PM
Like he ruined Stoke and Palace? To me both clubs have benefitted from the strong platform he put in place. His style of football can be defensive at times but so was Hodgson's. Unless we spend megabucks we will always have to double up against the best wingers in the league to get something out of games.

exactly like he ruined stoke, their football was terrible!

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 03:21:00 PM
Like he ruined Stoke and Palace? To me both clubs have benefitted from the strong platform he put in place. His style of football can be defensive at times but so was Hodgson's. Unless we spend megabucks we will always have to double up against the best wingers in the league to get something out of games.

There is a balance to be found I think. Look at Swansea and Southampton. They play great football but still get results. Crystal Palace will be the same under Pardew.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on August 05, 2015, 03:28:12 PM
exactly like he ruined stoke, their football was terrible!

Because the football played under Irvine was fantastic wasn't it!?! Oh, and it was free flowing and exciting under Hodgson too!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on August 05, 2015, 03:29:47 PM

why would you have a right back then a right defensive winger, there isnt even a name for such a position.


There is. Most people call it wide right or right midfield.

Even Mourinho and Ferguson do it in Europe when they are playing against the better sides. Ferguson would put Rooney out wide and leave Ronaldo up front because he knew Rooney would track back and Ronaldo wouldn't. That's no different than Pulis preferring Gardner and Morrison over Sessegnon?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: leeiswba on August 05, 2015, 03:31:06 PM
exactly like he ruined stoke, their football was terrible!

Ruined? He made them.

Went from finishing 13th in the Championship when he took over to an established Premierleague team, the FA cup final and knockout stages of Europa League at Valencia!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 03:36:52 PM
Because the football played under Irvine was fantastic wasn't it!?! Oh, and it was free flowing and exciting under Hodgson too!

where did i say that?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 05, 2015, 03:43:05 PM
There is. Most people call it wide right or right midfield.

Even Mourinho and Ferguson do it in Europe when they are playing against the better sides. Ferguson would put Rooney out wide and leave Ronaldo up front because he knew Rooney would track back and Ronaldo wouldn't. That's no different than Pulis preferring Gardner and Morrison over Sessegnon?
exactly, we've been using one for 8 years now.. or would you call Brunt a winger?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on August 05, 2015, 03:57:41 PM
where did i say that?

I don't remember any comments whilst those two were in charge saying they would "ruin the club"??? Pulis may not be pretty at times, but to say he will ruin the club, given his record, is laughable...in my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on August 05, 2015, 04:03:59 PM
Here was me thinking something may be happening with Phillips but it's just people squabbling - sort it out!

IsSako signing for somebody else a sign that we have progressed something? I hope so.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 04:37:29 PM
I don't remember any comments whilst those two were in charge saying they would "ruin the club"??? Pulis may not be pretty at times, but to say he will ruin the club, given his record, is laughable...in my opinion of course.

Look back through my posts and you will see. Glad you take that much notice to be honest and can remember that far back.

And whats tony pulis record? Whats he ever won as a manager?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MBWBA on August 05, 2015, 04:42:37 PM
Maybe we offered a contract so it would make someone else make a move for him, meaning we have less competition for the wingers we want.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on August 05, 2015, 04:43:35 PM
Look back through my posts and you will see. Glad you take that much notice to be honest and can remember that far back.

And whats tony pulis record? Whats he ever won as a manager?

You aim high mate which isn't a bad thing but our club in the wrong hands could also drop down a league to quite easily see Irvine and the downing effect, With pulis what you see is what you get no top 10 finishes no relegation.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on August 05, 2015, 04:55:13 PM
Look back through my posts and you will see. Glad you take that much notice to be honest and can remember that far back.

And whats tony pulis record? Whats he ever won as a manager?

I was talking in general...but if you want to take it as a personal attack on you, go for it.

What has Pulis ever won in management??? I'm not quite sure what that has to do with anything - we aren't really in a position to be looking for a boss who has won silverware! I see Pulis as someone who will stabilise this club, which has been steadily regressing over last couple of years, and turn us into a solid mid-table outfit. He ballsed up the Quarter final against Villa, but he's the first boss to give the Cup a go in quite a while to be fair to him!

Some won't like him because of how he sets his sides up...that's fair enough. Me personally, I am fed up with watching clowns in charge who clearly aren't up to the task, and would like to see us get back to making progress. You may not think we will - over the next couple of years, I think we will.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2015, 05:51:45 PM
The plain fact is nobody has offered QPR £10m for Phillips and one of the few alternatives mentioned was Palace and they have just signed Sako which probably kills their interest. Will Pulis's patience be rewarded? Possibly but there must come a point when we have to just give up on signing the player and move on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: richjonawba on August 05, 2015, 06:14:38 PM
exactly like he ruined stoke, their football was terrible!

Just like Mourinho has ruined Chelsea...
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 06:37:55 PM
I was talking in general...but if you want to take it as a personal attack on you, go for it.

What has Pulis ever won in management??? I'm not quite sure what that has to do with anything - we aren't really in a position to be looking for a boss who has won silverware! I see Pulis as someone who will stabilise this club, which has been steadily regressing over last couple of years, and turn us into a solid mid-table outfit. He ballsed up the Quarter final against Villa, but he's the first boss to give the Cup a go in quite a while to be fair to him!

Some won't like him because of how he sets his sides up...that's fair enough. Me personally, I am fed up with watching clowns in charge who clearly aren't up to the task, and would like to see us get back to making progress. You may not think we will - over the next couple of years, I think we will.

Sorry but you have contradicted yourself. First you say he balls'd the cup up but then you said he gave it a go?

You said in the earlier post about pulis' achievements, i asked what he has won as a manager....you couldnt answer me.

Seems like people are happy to sit mid table and be the new bolton or fulham of yesteryear.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 05, 2015, 06:41:41 PM
I certainly don't want to see a large portion of our transfer kitty go on Philips. 7 million or move on for me. 10 million is ridiculous. As we're finding out with QPR players, he's probably going to fail the medical even if a agreement is reached lol
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: telford baggie on August 05, 2015, 06:52:09 PM
the phillips deal seems pretty simple to me..i dont think qpr will move on there 10m price so we either match it or move on now.. rather than wait around and have no interest in paying it then come deadline day we have nobody as per usual.
i cant see us spending alot of money so i really hope we get a decent striker in than pay 10m for phillips
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: charlebaggie on August 05, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
the phillips deal seems pretty simple to me..i dont think qpr will move on there 10m price so we either match it or move on now.. rather than wait around and have no interest in paying it then come deadline day we have nobody as per usual.
i cant see us spending alot of money so i really hope we get a decent striker in than pay 10m for phillips
.      If Berahino isn't sold , then think we've got enough up top . Would rather see a Creative midfielder and a couple of defenders
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BobTaylor on August 05, 2015, 07:41:01 PM
.      If Berahino isn't sold , then think we've got enough up top . Would rather see a Creative midfielder and a couple of defenders

That is a mad comment mate we have two wingers at the club no where enough in my opinion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2015, 07:43:34 PM
That is a mad comment mate we have two wingers at the club no where enough in my opinion.

So on what occasion do we play three wingers?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Halesowen12 on August 05, 2015, 07:59:04 PM
So on what occasion do we play three wingers?

substitutions? injuries? are you implying the same two wingers will play 90 mins for 38 games?!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on August 05, 2015, 08:04:21 PM
Sorry but you have contradicted yourself. First you say he balls'd the cup up but then you said he gave it a go?

You said in the earlier post about pulis' achievements, i asked what he has won as a manager....you couldnt answer me.

Seems like people are happy to sit mid table and be the new bolton or fulham of yesteryear.

No I haven't contradicted myself. He gave the cup a go, picked a strong team throughout rather than playing the second string...that doesn't mean he got it right tactically!

So are you saying that we should go for a manager who can help us challenge for the title? Hes won nothing - that's not to say he hasn't been a successful manager!

I'm more of a realist...the best we can hope for is top half finish!

So what do you think we can achieve?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on August 05, 2015, 08:18:52 PM
No I haven't contradicted myself. He gave the cup a go, picked a strong team throughout rather than playing the second string...that doesn't mean he got it right tactically!

So are you saying that we should go for a manager who can help us challenge for the title? Hes won nothing - that's not to say he hasn't been a successful manager!

I'm more of a realist...the best we can hope for is top half finish!

So what do you think we can achieve?

A realist, then you say top half finish? With the current squad?

I want what youre smoking.

We wont finish above 16th with what we have now.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on August 05, 2015, 08:34:16 PM
A realist, then you say top half finish? With the current squad?

I want what youre smoking.

We wont finish above 16th with what we have now.

We finished 13th last season...if we have a decent season, I don't see why we can't sneak in top 10. I was more talking about our aspirations with current board, owner etc...

I'll ask again - what do you think a club of our size and resource can do?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: darby009 on August 05, 2015, 09:39:29 PM
We finished 13th last season...if we have a decent season, I don't see why we can't sneak in top 10. I was more talking about our aspirations with current board, owner etc...

I'll ask again - what do you think a club of our size and resource can do?

The cold harsh reality is that a club our size and with our funds will never finish above 8th, and we have done that in recent times under hodgson... The other aspiration would be cup win / Wembley appearance and we had a semi final in pretty recent times also.

As much as I would love us to achieve more the reality is we won't .... Sky and the champions league money has ensured that the fat cats will always get ten cream.....

I am afraid for all those saying we should be this and we should do that....... It won't happen and the sooner you realise that the sooner you will enjoy supporting this great club of ours even more...
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 05, 2015, 09:52:46 PM
substitutions? injuries? are you implying the same two wingers will play 90 mins for 38 games?!

I know but the general obsession with signing bloody wingers amuses me if we sign four one will  almost certainly barely kick a ball in anger. We can quite easily get by with one more and I would rather get a functioning central midfield. I am not going to mention full backs because that is a lost cause. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Halesowen12 on August 05, 2015, 10:12:22 PM
I know but the general obsession with signing bloody wingers amuses me if we sign four one will  almost certainly barely kick a ball in anger. We can quite easily get by with one more and I would rather get a functioning central midfield. I am not going to mention full backs because that is a lost cause.

I agree, 1 more winger would be suffice. 10m for Phillips is a little steep imo but if pulis feels he is the man he wants let's get him in now. we know the score as someone mentioned above. it's pay 10m or move on
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 05, 2015, 10:20:06 PM
I know but the general obsession with signing bloody wingers amuses me if we sign four one will  almost certainly barely kick a ball in anger. We can quite easily get by with one more and I would rather get a functioning central midfield. I am not going to mention full backs because that is a lost cause.

If you are going to play with 2 wingers then you need at least 3 in the squad (one of whom can play both sides). I guess Brunt could be classed as a fourth option but that would involve buying a new LB which I can't see happening. For me McLean & Mcmanaman are solid Championship players but can they do it week in week out in the Prem. I have my doubts which is why you need the extra competition. Signing Sako on a free was a no brainer and should have been wrapped up last week IMO.

As for Phillips it will go to the wire. Lets just hope he doesn't get injured before deadline day or another team stump up the cash.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 05, 2015, 10:55:28 PM
So much for nobody else wanting Sako. The whole episode was bizarre. God knows what happens now....there'll be a stand-off over £10m for Phillips. Either we'll get him for £9m on deadline day or someone else will nip in leaving us very possibly with nobody else in that wide position, when Phillips seems to have been no. 1 target for it all along.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on August 05, 2015, 11:18:56 PM
A realist, then you say top half finish? With the current squad?

I want what youre smoking.

We wont finish above 16th with what we have now.
Good job we will be making more signings then, the season hasn't even started yet.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 05, 2015, 11:35:24 PM
So much for nobody else wanting Sako. The whole episode was bizarre. God knows what happens now....there'll be a stand-off over £10m for Phillips. Either we'll get him for £9m on deadline day or someone else will nip in leaving us very possibly with nobody else in that wide position, when Phillips seems to have been no. 1 target for it all along.

They don't seem the least bit bothered by not signing Sako. With that in mind they must be confident of getting better, one possibility could be that they have a deal lined up for someone that they can't complete until the selling club have signed a replacement . It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 05, 2015, 11:47:32 PM
If you are going to play with 2 wingers then you need at least 3 in the squad (one of whom can play both sides). I guess Brunt could be classed as a fourth option but that would involve buying a new LB which I can't see happening. For me McLean & Mcmanaman are solid Championship players but can they do it week in week out in the Prem. I have my doubts which is why you need the extra competition. Signing Sako on a free was a no brainer and should have been wrapped up last week IMO.

As for Phillips it will go to the wire. Lets just hope he doesn't get injured before deadline day or another team stump up the cash.

So signing a player who has never played higher than the Championship is your answer?

I rather think there is more things happening of which we yet know nothing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionsteve on August 06, 2015, 07:32:18 AM
I always laugh when people talk about players that haven't played in the top league so aren't good buys.  Remind me again where Cyrille and Laurie came from?

If the manager (which Pulis is, far more say than a "first team coach"), sees all the qualities he wants, from skills to personal attributes, the player is "good enough".
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionsteve on August 06, 2015, 07:44:26 AM
By the way, anything on Matt Phillips in this thread?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 06, 2015, 08:06:20 AM
They don't seem the least bit bothered by not signing Sako. With that in mind they must be confident of getting better, one possibility could be that they have a deal lined up for someone that they can't complete until the selling club have signed a replacement . It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

What if they don't sign a replacement? It's happened very recently with Carlton Cole. It's a massive risk hoping for others to do business first. How many times have we heard the line 'we ran out of time'?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 06, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
They don't seem the least bit bothered by not signing Sako. With that in mind they must be confident of getting better, one possibility could be that they have a deal lined up for someone that they can't complete until the selling club have signed a replacement . It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.
How do we know ? The club are hardly likely to come out with a 'we are gutted' statement.....we did show sufficient interest to give the bloke a medical and agree terms apparently.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 06, 2015, 11:13:21 AM
But the signing is not expected to end Albion’s pursuit of QPR wideman Matt Phillips, who has been a leading target throughout the summer.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/06/serge-gnabry-set-to-sign-for-albion-today/
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2015, 11:30:00 AM
If we don't sign Phillips after all this time we are going to look very silly. Why do we expect QPR to lower their price?
If we don't think he is worth £10m then we should have signed Sako.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 06, 2015, 11:34:56 AM
If we don't sign Phillips after all this time we are going to look very silly. Why do we expect QPR to lower their price?
If we don't think he is worth £10m then we should have signed Sako.

They are going to accept £5m, gift wrap him and drive him up here on dealine day!  :D

We'll be revisiting this one in January IMO that is providing no one else signs him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Aixelsyd on August 06, 2015, 11:40:23 AM
If we don't sign Phillips after all this time we are going to look very silly. Why do we expect QPR to lower their price?
If we don't think he is worth £10m then we should have signed Sako.

because don't they have some pretty major problems with over spending and financial irregularities?

They will need to "fix" their books before the transfer window closes regardless of what they are saying now
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggiejohn on August 06, 2015, 11:55:02 AM
It's a game of brinkmanship that's being played out.

I can't imagine Matty Phillips wouldn't want to play in the EPL, IMO he will go somewhere, &, as the end of the window gets closer, he will increasingly force the issue.

At the moment nobody seems to want to pay QPR's asking price for him, but if they do relent, & he comes into our price-range, chances are he will also come into another clubs'. The danger then, as I see it, is QPR selling to another club out of spite.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 12:27:08 PM
I have to say i don't buy into this "QPR have to sell" stuff !

Tony Fernandez is personally worth £650m and owns Asia Airlines (or at least he did). If he wants to play hard ball with Jezza there is only one winner and it ain't the bald one.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 06, 2015, 12:41:15 PM
My worry is that we pin our hopes on him and he goes elsewhere. He could also get injured in the meantime as QPR play 6 games before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on August 06, 2015, 01:50:49 PM
I have to say i don't buy into this "QPR have to sell" stuff !

Tony Fernandez is personally worth £650m and owns Asia Airlines (or at least he did). If he wants to play hard ball with Jezza there is only one winner and it ain't the bald one.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/22707/9844856/qpr-financial-situation-qa-explaining-why-they-face-a-huge-fine

Basically they need to sell to avoid a huge fine. Their chairman's personal wealth wiped off £60m worth of their losses, but that's not allowed in the FFP rules. They've released a lot of players and are sending Caulker and Fer out on loan to bring the wage bill down. But there's still another £20-30m needed to be found.

The easiest way for that is to get around £25m for Phillips and Austin. But if no clubs are willing to pay that much they would be forced to accept £18-20m for the pair to bring in as much income as possible. They would still get a fine, but it would be smaller and less of a hit to the club's finances.

 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 01:53:00 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/22707/9844856/qpr-financial-situation-qa-explaining-why-they-face-a-huge-fine

Basically they need to sell to avoid a huge fine. Their chairman's personal wealth wiped off £60m worth of their losses, but that's not allowed in the FFP rules. They've released a lot of players and are sending Caulker and Fer out on loan to bring the wage bill down. But there's still another £20-30m needed to be found.

The easiest way for that is to get around £25m for Phillips and Austin. But if no clubs are willing to pay that much they would be forced to accept £18-20m for the pair to bring in as much income as possible. They would still get a fine, but it would be smaller and less of a hit to the club's finances.

You still here???  ;)

now that is a good post, thanks for the clear explanation.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on August 06, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/22707/9844856/qpr-financial-situation-qa-explaining-why-they-face-a-huge-fine

Basically they need to sell to avoid a huge fine. Their chairman's personal wealth wiped off £60m worth of their losses, but that's not allowed in the FFP rules. They've released a lot of players and are sending Caulker and Fer out on loan to bring the wage bill down. But there's still another £20-30m needed to be found.

The easiest way for that is to get around £25m for Phillips and Austin. But if no clubs are willing to pay that much they would be forced to accept £18-20m for the pair to bring in as much income as possible. They would still get a fine, but it would be smaller and less of a hit to the club's finances.

how long do they have until they are fined ?

I think a few clubs are just waiting for them to lower their demands while QPR are adamant they will only go for a set price. could make for an interesting deadline day for them
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on August 06, 2015, 02:16:47 PM
You still here???  ;)

now that is a good post, thanks for the clear explanation.
Yes he's still  here despite you keep asking that and he will be welcome on this forum as long as he abides the rules like everybody else.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on August 06, 2015, 02:21:57 PM
Do we need him?
McClean looks quality, McManaman and Gnabry can play either flank, throw Brunt and Berahino in the mix and perhaps TP's priorities have shifted.
Personally I would like to see another left footer.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on August 06, 2015, 02:33:21 PM
In talks with West Ham apparently.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 02:40:55 PM
Yes he's still  here despite you keep asking that and he will be welcome on this forum as long as he abides the rules like everybody else.

Ok, Its just a joke or at least thats how its meant !
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on August 06, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
In talks with West Ham apparently.

Oh dear oh dear.

Could Phillips play through the middle?! He looked capable of that last season and people are saying we need a combative CM with a cutting edge, could he be bought in to do that and act as cover on the wings?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on August 06, 2015, 02:48:48 PM
In talks with West Ham apparently.

Where have you seen that?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 06, 2015, 02:56:39 PM
Where have you seen that?

Just done a quick Twitter search, can't see anything.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 06, 2015, 02:57:18 PM
What a surprise ! Bloody West Ham can't stand em
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on August 06, 2015, 03:01:40 PM
Just done a quick Twitter search, can't see anything.

Same here!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on August 06, 2015, 03:02:03 PM
And yet @EDS_Amy (whoever she is) reckons there is dialogue between us and QPR once again.

I think we won't know until either he signs for someone, or the window shuts. Everything seems to be rumour and conjecture at the moment.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on August 06, 2015, 03:14:32 PM
Sorry, it's not on twitter. Some bloke in ASDA was speaking to me because I had my Albion top on and he basically said he heard West Ham are in talks with Phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2015, 03:20:04 PM
Sorry, it's not on twitter. Some bloke in ASDA was speaking to me because I had my Albion top on and he basically said he heard West Ham are in talks with Phillips.

I've seen it all now  ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2015, 03:35:37 PM
Who is that hypnotist who clubs employ?
Maybe they could get her to hypnotise Jezza into thinking players were shares.  ;)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 06, 2015, 03:48:08 PM
How do we know ? The club are hardly likely to come out with a 'we are gutted' statement.....we did show sufficient interest to give the bloke a medical and agree terms apparently.

I think the fact that they insist a deal was in place but couldn't be bothered to activate it tells you all you need to know.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on August 06, 2015, 03:51:01 PM
Ok, Its just a joke or at least thats how its meant !
Sorry but it's not much of a joke for the 5th or 6th time and the guy doesn't respond.
This is a friendly forum ( even to dingles and seals if they behave  :) ) , it has been for years to members past and present and thats the way we aim to keep it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on August 06, 2015, 03:57:01 PM
Even to dingles and seals?  :o  Come on, surely we draw the line somewhere?  ;D

What happened to that ginger monkey fella?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 03:58:58 PM
Sorry but it's not much of a joke for the 5th or 6th time and the guy doesn't respond.
This is a friendly forum ( even to dingles and seals if they behave  :) ) , it has been for years to members past and present and thats the way we aim to keep it.

I really didn't realise it came across like that !
Won't happen again.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on August 06, 2015, 04:05:30 PM
Even to dingles and seals?  :o  Come on, surely we draw the line somewhere?  ;D

What happened to that ginger monkey fella?
Vanished after 5-1  , he was alright though.....now back to topic guys! :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 06, 2015, 04:22:35 PM
I think the fact that they insist a deal was in place but couldn't be bothered to activate it tells you all you need to know.

That would be our slant on things. How about Sako comes in agrees terms and then gets a call from Palace. He decides to go and have talks with them and decides to go there instead. I would say Palace are a much better proposition for a number of reasons. The club are never going to admit he'd turned us down if indeed he has.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 06, 2015, 04:35:18 PM
That would be our slant on things. How about Sako comes in agrees terms and then gets a call from Palace. He decides to go and have talks with them and decides to go there instead. I would say Palace are a much better proposition for a number of reasons. The club are never going to admit he'd turned us down if indeed he has.

In my opinion he was used as a bargaining tool to try and force the hand of another club whether that be QPR, Forest or someone else at the time and it clearly didn't work. It isn't the first time we have had people in for medicals, agreed personal terms and then decided to go for someone else instead.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 06, 2015, 04:38:22 PM
Do we need him?
McClean looks quality, McManaman and Gnabry can play either flank, throw Brunt and Berahino in the mix and perhaps TP's priorities have shifted.
Personally I would like to see another left footer.

Saw early reports where they said the club consider him as a player that could also fill in as a striker if needed, not sure the others could do that.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on August 06, 2015, 05:05:54 PM
That would be our slant on things. How about Sako comes in agrees terms and then gets a call from Palace. He decides to go and have talks with them and decides to go there instead. I would say Palace are a much better proposition for a number of reasons. The club are never going to admit he'd turned us down if indeed he has.

according to this Sako got greedy

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/08/06/report-west-brom-not-tracking-craig-noone-retain-interest-in-mat/?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Evans91 on August 07, 2015, 05:15:11 PM
Only on Twitter but rumours we've agreed a fee for Phillips
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Chipperfan on August 07, 2015, 05:18:36 PM
Only on Twitter but rumours we've agreed a fee for Phillips

Blimey thus could be quite a day!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kc56wba on August 07, 2015, 05:25:09 PM
Only on Twitter but rumours we've agreed a fee for Phillips
No way if this and Rondon happens I am going to be one happy chap. I will even kiss JP ( only on the cheek though )
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 07, 2015, 06:14:27 PM
No way if this and Rondon happens I am going to be one happy chap. I will even kiss JP ( only on the cheek though )
While he is bent over? ???
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on August 07, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
Only on Twitter but rumours we've agreed a fee for Phillips

That surely would mean we have agreed to sell Saido!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on August 07, 2015, 07:02:56 PM
Difficult to see us paying out for Phillips and Rondon without major outgoings?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: darby009 on August 07, 2015, 11:55:14 PM
Difficult to see us paying out for Phillips and Rondon without major outgoings?

Why,,,, we don't know what budget we have and any deals will be structured over a number of years. So this means that we won't be paying it all out now, and hopefully with quality additions we will be in the prem next season and that's when the big money comes in , so we will have the funds to pay off the remaining amount on these deals?

This would tally with TP saying he wants a good few in now then less next season and less the season after... Spend big now, let them gel etc
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2015, 11:58:18 AM
Get this lad too, exciting season awaits
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2015, 12:16:30 PM
Get this lad too, exciting season awaits
Rumours flying around all over Twitter saying fee agreed. True? I don't know.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on August 08, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Be interesting to see if he's in the QPR squad for todays game away at Charlton
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: monkey nuts on August 08, 2015, 12:47:37 PM
He may be playing his last game if does
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on August 08, 2015, 12:50:18 PM
what a turnaround in our transfer fortunes in only a few days
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 01:05:35 PM
I can't fault Mr Peace in this window. He is at last showing ambition. I think he know's he has to back Pulis all the way or risk losing him and getting a backlash from the fans.

It could turn out that the takeover failure was a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
I can't fault Mr Peace in this window. He is at last showing ambition. I think he know's he has to back Pulis all the way or risk losing him and getting a backlash from the fans.

It could turn out that the takeover failure was a blessing in disguise.

Its in his best interests to back him as much as he possibly can to try and ensure we are in this league when that new tv deal kicks in next year, more chance of him getting his own big pay day by selling the club that way.

Not convinced by any Phillips rumours on twitter though, unless its leaked by someone else ala Steve Bruce with Chester all of our business is being done on the quiet.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: IrememberJohnny Nicholls on August 08, 2015, 01:23:05 PM
I can't fault Mr Peace in this window. He is at last showing ambition. I think he know's he has to back Pulis all the way or risk losing him and getting a backlash from the fans.

It could turn out that the takeover failure was a blessing in disguise.

It's a great shame that people are still taking cheap shots at JP. He has never lacked ambition for the club. Had he done so then we would not be in the PL. The last couple of transfer windows did not work out well for us. He admitted to having taken his eye off the ball and took decisive action in getting rid of those responsible ...Burton and Co. For Pete's sake give the JP bashing a rest, many if not most of us happen to think he's done a superb job and will be sad to see him go.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 08, 2015, 01:40:38 PM
Anyone see him?

https://www.periscope.tv/w/aJXubDIwNjA2MXw1NjU4MjMwOVZPo0csZN0MjPq22j2OhMKcd5NKtbGTLhPpSIiT1n0d
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on August 08, 2015, 01:44:43 PM
Not a cheap shot at JP,just an honest opinion and a compliment from me for his efforts this window.

Back to topic, i would be surprised if we sign Phillips now we have Gnabry, i think we will go for signings that will strengthen other weakened areas of the squad.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 08, 2015, 02:04:11 PM
He's starting for QPR today.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: iwastherein68 on August 08, 2015, 02:04:24 PM
Phillips starting today for QPR, so clearly no agreement on fee.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on August 08, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
58 million pound tax bill. QPR will need to sell players sooner rather than later!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on August 08, 2015, 04:16:17 PM
Sorry its a 60 million pound financial fair play fine
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2015, 04:46:30 PM
If they really needed to sell why woyld they play him and risk him getting injured? Is Austin playing too?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adamstv on August 08, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
If they really needed to sell why woyld they play him and risk him getting injured? Is Austin playing too?

Might be playing but QPR still getting stuffed away again😂
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on August 08, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
Might be playing but QPR still getting stuffed away again😂
they will pay us ten million to take him :P
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: graka on August 08, 2015, 06:22:37 PM
Sorry its a 60 million pound financial fair play fine
I thought this had been suspended due to them appealing the fine?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stoxman on August 08, 2015, 06:52:11 PM
I thought this had been suspended due to them appealing the fine?

Won't be anything close to £60m.  I'm very ITK on this and know it won't be even close. A shame really and makes a mockery of the principles behind FFP.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on August 08, 2015, 07:23:55 PM
They are still £80 million in debt. They need to bring money in before the deadline
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 08, 2015, 08:12:52 PM
More pressure on them to sell after today's game?

Phillips '****', 'not interested', 'not trying', 'can go for half price after this sh*t' a few comments from QPR fans.

Will QPR now rethink about a valuation on an unhappy player, and rather get money so they can get players that are more committed before the window closes?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 08, 2015, 09:26:31 PM
More pressure on them to sell after today's game?

Phillips 'rubbish', 'not interested', 'not trying', 'can go for half price after this sh*t' a few comments from QPR fans.

Will QPR now rethink about a valuation on an unhappy player, and rather get money so they can get players that are more committed before the window closes?

That's all Philips can do to force a move without handing in a request I guess, other than refusing to train (a'la Koumas). Whether it'll force QPRs hand is another matter, although they must have known this kind of action was likely.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 08, 2015, 09:51:17 PM
That's all Philips can do to force a move without handing in a request I guess, other than refusing to train (a'la Koumas). Whether it'll force QPRs hand is another matter, although they must have known this kind of action was likely.

It's a very unprofessional thing to do. Do we really want to sign someone like that?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 08, 2015, 09:54:17 PM
I've seen a few posts on other topics saying we might be back in for Phillips as well as having Ganabry for the season, anyone seen or heard anything or is it just pure speculation as far as the public is aware??
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 08, 2015, 09:57:00 PM
I've seen a few posts on other topics saying we might be back in for Phillips as well as having Ganabry for the season, anyone seen or heard anything or is it just pure speculation as far as the public is aware??

I am sure Pulis is still after another wide man. Was reported numerous times we was interested in signing both Antonio & Phillips. I think we will still sign one more even after signing Gnabry.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 08, 2015, 09:57:16 PM
It's a very unprofessional thing to do. Do we really want to sign someone like that?
He played the full game. Maybe he was an easy target to direct the frustrations at. Not sure it's wise to judge by brief snatches of QPR fan comments.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on August 08, 2015, 10:22:38 PM
It's a very unprofessional thing to do. Do we really want to sign someone like that?

Does it to them, he could do it to us!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: spyro on August 08, 2015, 10:39:55 PM
why would we want phillips when we have mcmanaman and gnarby
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: socalbaggie on August 08, 2015, 10:41:05 PM
It's a very unprofessional thing to do. Do we really want to sign someone like that?
I agree it raises a big question mark IF he was tanking his performance to force a move. I tend to doubt he went out there with the mindset of playing a terrible game but if he did I would not sign him even at half the asking price!!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: fatboy_coach on August 08, 2015, 10:51:35 PM
It's a very unprofessional thing to do. Do we really want to sign someone like that?

I agree completely! I've not seen the QPR game, I'm merely going on the comment above mine. If it is seen that way, it might have the opposite effect as TP won't like that one bit!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 08, 2015, 11:57:25 PM
Some reports that QPR have dropped Austin asking price by 2m. Wonder if Phillips will be next?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/charlie-austin-transfer-newcastle-tottenham-6219549?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 09, 2015, 12:02:45 AM
Won't be anything close to £60m.  I'm very ITK on this and know it won't be even close. A shame really and makes a mockery of the principles behind FFP.

Indeed. FFP will disappear in the next few years.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 12:22:29 AM
They are taking legal action regards the FFP fine and it will in due course be a failed experiment as it  is so anti competitive it's shocking.

What was wrong with the old system of if spend what you didn't have you'd get deducted points, and  get punished in due course like pompey.

FFP basically ensures a closed shop which imposes barriers on any new entrants.

Total stitch up for any aspiring club wanting to spend big.

As an aside football generated billions in taxes and again FFP hinders that.

It's total garbage thought up by platini so that french clubs like lyon wouldn't get left behind, but slapped him in the face new money psg were given one of the biggest fines by uefa.

Back to the topic, I wouldn't be happy to pay more than thw 5m they paid blackpool for philips.

I would pay the new 13m price for austin if his 2m price reduction is true.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on August 09, 2015, 12:27:30 AM
I thought he was in talks with West Ham?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 09, 2015, 12:50:49 AM
I have never got the whole must have Phillips thing today was not untypical of his QPR performances across two seasons it had nothing to do with him moving. On any given day he can be very ordinary catch him on a good day and you think he is some player but the good days are far too few for the sort of fee QPR are talking about.

As an aside ffp was a response to the absolutely disgraceful financial record that football clubs have. I am quite happy for FFP to go provided the Football creditors rule goes with it and the next insolvent football ceases to exist when it goes tits up. In the meantime QPR will no doubt cut a deal with the League but never the less have to make some effort toward balancing the books.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on August 09, 2015, 08:28:12 AM
I agree it raises a big question mark IF he was tanking his performance to force a move. I tend to doubt he went out there with the mindset of playing a terrible game but if he did I would not sign him even at half the asking price!!

De Gea would have been the same if Man United started him yesterday.

Jon Walters did the same when he was at Ipswich and wanted a move to Stoke. Since then he's ran 84 marathons and ran through 30 metaphoric brick walls on the pitch. (Totally made up stats, but he's genuinely been the most committed player and first name on the team sheet for 2 different managers.) Phillips avoiding an injury doesn't mean he will stroll around if he makes way back to the Premier League.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Baggieblood on August 09, 2015, 09:54:36 AM
Palace are a club that gets away with going bust every 5 minutes.

Imo if you go into adimistration it shouldn't be a 10 point deduction it should be a 2 division relegation.

And the football crefitors first rule is a nonsense. I remember pompey shafted a local painter and decorator twice in the space of a few months.

I also agree about philips blowing hot and cold. No way he's a 10m player, that's why nobodies paid it.

Even dim deadwood can cut a deal with his old cohort ramsey.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 09, 2015, 09:56:37 AM
I have never got the whole must have Phillips thing today was not untypical of his QPR performances across two seasons it had nothing to do with him moving. On any given day he can be very ordinary catch him on a good day and you think he is some player but the good days are far too few for the sort of fee QPR are talking about.

As an aside ffp was a response to the absolutely disgraceful financial record that football clubs have. I am quite happy for FFP to go provided the Football creditors rule goes with it and the next insolvent football ceases to exist when it goes tits up. In the meantime QPR will no doubt cut a deal with the League but never the less have to make some effort toward balancing the books.
Think we can assume that Pulis wants him. We all know Pulis doesn't stand for anyone strolling around so he probably thinks he can get Phillips to perform to his best more often and be that player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on August 09, 2015, 10:00:23 AM
Think we can assume that Pulis wants him. We all know Pulis doesn't stand for anyone strolling around so he probably thinks he can get Phillips to perform to his best more often and be that player.

I have no problem backing TP's judgement if he wants him.  The only question for me is how much he pays for him.  Anything over £7m is a waste in my view.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on August 09, 2015, 10:30:10 AM
I have no problem backing TP's judgement if he wants him.  The only question for me is how much he pays for him.  Anything over £7m is a waste in my view.

I don't think we're desperate for anyone in that position now, there was talk that he may be played down the middle though?

If come deadline day we still need another player I'd probably go in with another offer but no more than we offered initially. QPR might be desperate to sell by then, if we get him then great if not no biggy for me.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adamstv on August 09, 2015, 12:59:26 PM
I have no problem backing TP's judgement if he wants him.  The only question for me is how much he pays for him.  Anything over £7m is a waste in my view.

Hence why we haven't bought him although Pulis wants him. If Pulis thought he was worth £10m then I can imagine him bending Peace's ear to get him, but he is prepared to wait and see as he thinks £10m is too much
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 02:30:10 PM
why would we want phillips when we have mcmanaman and gnarby

Well Gnarby is here for one season and there is also the possibility of injuries throughout the season. Especially for someone like McMannaman.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BaggieBrainy on August 09, 2015, 07:53:17 PM
Everyone is going on about the price tag and how tp wants him but would you be happy if we paid £10million for someone like matty phillips ? I WOULD NOT!

7-8 million is a fair price and you wont see the baggies paying anymore.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: 65baggie on August 09, 2015, 11:22:11 PM
Think QPR will be shifting a few this week. Phillips and Austin will want out asap and  let's face it they need the money.  No more than £7m
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gazberg on August 10, 2015, 12:42:36 PM
QPR weakened their position somewhat stating they will now take less than 15m for Austin in my opinion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on August 19, 2015, 09:21:19 PM
Think QPR will be shifting a few this week. Phillips and Austin will want out asap and  let's face it they need the money.  No more than £7m
I we get £23m for Saido i would in vest it all in Phillips and Austin after tonight!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 19, 2015, 09:26:11 PM
This is for rumours and transfer discussion folks, there is a Championship thread for updates from tonights game

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=7790.0
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 19, 2015, 10:05:12 PM
Think the above rumours of him not trying have been put to bed anyway.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on August 19, 2015, 10:19:37 PM
Now QPR have had their fine put down to £8 million there is presumably less pressure to sell, so the price will be higher (or harder to negotiate down), especially if they know we have money from any sale of Berahino.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 21, 2015, 10:14:29 AM
Will try again before end of windows, reports E&S.

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/08/21/albion-still-want-a-deal-to-capture-star-matt-phillips/
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on August 21, 2015, 10:25:27 AM
I can see this happening on Jim White day.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 21, 2015, 10:28:36 AM
now this i would be excited about
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: monkey nuts on August 21, 2015, 10:56:38 AM
if we don't sign Phillips i for one will be amazed
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ranvir wba90 on August 24, 2015, 08:38:04 AM
can see the deal going through on deadline day
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gjg8183 on August 24, 2015, 03:29:56 PM
cant wait till Monday will be in some bar in Lanzarote watching it  :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 24, 2015, 03:32:01 PM
cant wait till Monday will be in some bar in Lanzarote watching it  :D :D :D :D
Make sure you're in the bar on Tuesday then, which is when deadline day actually is!  :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gjg8183 on August 24, 2015, 03:35:01 PM
sorry will be there for 10 days after to get pi**** with the shock that's coming
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: popbaggie28 on August 28, 2015, 02:52:09 PM
There's a rumor on Facebook that we are back in for him the bloke mentions a swap deal plus cash....I know qpr we're after ollson a while back I wonder if it could be him??
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on August 28, 2015, 02:59:18 PM
There's a rumor on Facebook that we are back in for him the bloke mentions a swap deal plus cash....I know qpr we're after ollson a while back I wonder if it could be him??

anyone told em odemwingies at Stoke now?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on August 28, 2015, 03:02:26 PM
anyone told em odemwingies at Stoke now?

probably readying his Sat-Nav ready for Tuesday
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on August 28, 2015, 03:05:21 PM
anyone told em odemwingies at Stoke now?

Maybe Brown Ideye, Big Vic or Poc?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Bigrob80 on August 28, 2015, 06:11:40 PM
I'd have a guess at poco being offered and cash, don't they play on the same side?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 30, 2015, 10:40:12 PM
QPR tried to cut costs by taking a week’s pay out of this month’s packet for several players including Phillips, Charlie Austin and Sandro

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-broms-matt-phillips-transfer-6352429#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Hopefully be ours if we go for him. They obviously having money problems, trying to scrape money out of players wages!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2015, 12:17:39 AM
QPR tried to cut costs by taking a week’s pay out of this month’s packet for several players including Phillips, Charlie Austin and Sandro

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-broms-matt-phillips-transfer-6352429#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Hopefully be ours if we go for him. They obviously having money problems, trying to scrape money out of players wages!

For any other club I would have said that story was totally made up but the clowns in charge of the circus that is QPR might actually do something that stupid. It puts them in breach of contract and undermines their negotiating position to the point they haven't got one. If as reported a very interesting development.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2015, 10:53:46 AM
QPR tried to cut costs by taking a week’s pay out of this month’s packet for several players including Phillips, Charlie Austin and Sandro

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-broms-matt-phillips-transfer-6352429#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Hopefully be ours if we go for him. They obviously having money problems, trying to scrape money out of players wages!

Very strange when you consider the wealth behind that club ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on August 31, 2015, 11:05:47 AM
Very strange when you consider the wealth behind that club ?

They have spent a lot of money though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on August 31, 2015, 11:13:41 AM
Very strange when you consider the wealth behind that club ?

It is strange, totally believable though. I remember watching that QPR documentary few years ago and some of the stuff they were doing were interesting, trying to save money on having less flowers in executive boxes etc.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on August 31, 2015, 12:40:43 PM
It is strange, totally believable though. I remember watching that QPR documentary few years ago and some of the stuff they were doing were interesting, trying to save money on having less flowers in executive boxes etc.

Which draws the following statement from me:
Flowers are for flower boxes, in vases to appease the wife, on graves or in the garden.

Flowers at the football?
 :-X ::).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on August 31, 2015, 01:28:10 PM
Getting closer ????    ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 31, 2015, 02:06:35 PM
Getting closer ????    ;D
Indeed. The media will no doubt soon be reporting that we're monitoring his situation, and then we'll know that we're getting really close!  ;)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: matt_home1 on August 31, 2015, 02:13:03 PM
Sky sports sources will announce the deal mid December if we sign him tomorrow
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ABaggie on September 01, 2015, 12:07:42 AM
Daily mail saying Anichebe & Olsson offered in part exchange
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3217571/West-Brom-launch-bid-QPR-winger-Matt-Phillips-offering-Victor-Anichebe-Jonas-Olsson-exchange.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3217571/West-Brom-launch-bid-QPR-winger-Matt-Phillips-offering-Victor-Anichebe-Jonas-Olsson-exchange.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TLMS17 on September 01, 2015, 12:20:12 AM
Would Anichebe and in particular Olsson want to drop a league though, any deal like that would need both players to agree to
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on September 01, 2015, 12:31:32 AM
Would be sad to see Olsson go, a great Albion stalwart, but if it means we can get Phillips, maybe now's the time. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on September 01, 2015, 12:35:04 AM
Small matter is that QPR have to get their payroll down neither Olsson nor Anichebe earn buttons and won't rush to take a pay cut . Not going to happen well at any rate not like this.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WorcsWBA on September 01, 2015, 06:31:41 AM
Daily mail saying Anichebe & Olsson offered in part exchange
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3217571/West-Brom-launch-bid-QPR-winger-Matt-Phillips-offering-Victor-Anichebe-Jonas-Olsson-exchange.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3217571/West-Brom-launch-bid-QPR-winger-Matt-Phillips-offering-Victor-Anichebe-Jonas-Olsson-exchange.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490)
It's going to be very difficult to get complicated deals of this ilk through on deadline day - too many variables. I would have thought that the only way we'll get him at this late stage is a straight cash deal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 06:32:39 AM
Would be sad to see Olsson go, a great Albion stalwart, but if it means we can get Phillips, maybe now's the time.

We are past 'Oly' time now, always wore his heart on his sleeve but time for a shake up
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on September 01, 2015, 06:34:25 AM
We are past 'Oly' time now, always wore his heart on his sleeve but time for a shake up
Not sure id want to send such a good servant to a mess of a club like QPR.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: M666EYS on September 01, 2015, 07:21:42 AM
Not sure id want to send such a good servant to a mess of a club like QPR.

He has always said he wants to finish at a club in london
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on September 01, 2015, 07:54:28 AM
Small matter is that QPR have to get their payroll down neither Olsson nor Anichebe earn buttons and won't rush to take a pay cut . Not going to happen well at any rate not like this.

It depends on how much they are earning at West Brom. If they're both on say £40k a week that's £2m a year.

QPR have said they won't pay anybody over £20k a week which is £1m a year. But with them both not asking for a move they will leave with a 'golden handshake' and a thank you, which would probably be £1m each again. Then they will have their own signing on fee from QPR which will probably be around £400-500k.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on September 01, 2015, 10:53:40 AM
He has always said he wants to finish at a club in london
I know but they are a complete mess.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on September 01, 2015, 11:21:30 AM
Would Anichebe and in particular Olsson want to drop a league though, any deal like that would need both players to agree to

Wouldn't make any difference to sicknote so long as the bench was nice and warm
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on September 01, 2015, 03:26:04 PM
I said all along that QPR wouldn't back down on price and that we would try again in January. This is looking more likely.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: orville on September 01, 2015, 03:30:14 PM
I said all along that QPR wouldn't back down on price and that we would try again in January. This is looking more likely.


Trouble with January is if QPR are in with a chance of promotion they will let no one leave with that big cash bonus in the prem.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: addy on September 01, 2015, 05:23:32 PM
Matty Phillips ‏@phillips_matty  2m2 minutes ago
Ha I'm at my house watching deadline day the same as you all!Of course!⚪️🔵⚪️🔵delighted the man @chazaustin9 is still a ranger!💪🏽#promotion
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on September 01, 2015, 05:27:17 PM
Oh dear me, what a disasterous deadline day we're having  :-\
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MICKYMEL on September 25, 2015, 08:57:44 PM
Watched him a few times now including tonight and struggling to see the hype. At 10million there are much much better out there
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on January 17, 2016, 10:54:06 AM
All gone quiet on this one ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Smooth Lad on January 17, 2016, 11:32:58 AM
I think Bournemouth were rumoured to be coughing up for him. I'd hope the sale of Austin for just £4mil to Saints has pricked a few ears up at our club, in regards to the possibility of signing Phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on January 17, 2016, 04:04:36 PM
I think Bournemouth were rumoured to be coughing up for him. I'd hope the sale of Austin for just £4mil to Saints has pricked a few ears up at our club, in regards to the possibility of signing Phillips.
Austin only cost £4million, because he was transfer free in the summer.  However, I hope we are still keeping tabs on Phillips, as we are short in good attacking players.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: A5HB on January 17, 2016, 04:15:49 PM
Austin a very low fee because his deal was running down and QPR were clearly desperate to get whatever they could for him. Not a cheap deal though, Austin rumoured to be on £100,000 a week at Southampton and you'd imagine he took in a huge signing on fee to make it worth his while moving now instead of waiting for the summer.

I suspect QPR would be keen to sell Phillips too and generate some funds to balance the books ahead of a summer rebuild, but until we sell we certainly won't be paying fees for anyone.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: NiallWBA on January 21, 2016, 12:25:43 PM
Middlesbrough offered 6m for Matty Phillips according to Sky
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tambag on January 21, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
Middlesbrough offered 6m for Matty Phillips according to Sky

Thats us out of the race then - unless SB is sold !
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on January 21, 2016, 01:05:28 PM
Middlesbrough offered 6m for Matty Phillips according to Sky

He's probably better off going there. They are nailed on for promotion and he'll play regularly. If he comes here he'll have to hold the hand of one of our full backs.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: superkev on January 21, 2016, 01:57:32 PM
Middlesboro just bid £6m for him, bye bye
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sammyg on January 21, 2016, 02:07:38 PM
Ill be really annoyed if we let him go, I feel he could do very well for us
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on January 21, 2016, 02:26:27 PM
Ill be really annoyed if we let him go, I feel he could do very well for us

You can't rush these things we've only been pi$$ing around since last May, give it time , I'm sure we'll miss out on him before the transfer window closes.     :o
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on January 21, 2016, 02:40:37 PM
We've still not got rid of anybody. The only way I could see us stealing in is by matching the offer and offering them McMananaman if it's true that they actually are interested. Even then the player will need to want to go and agree with their terms. Perhaps a loan until the end of the season. I'd say I'm overthinking it and that none of what I've said is likely as cash plus player deals hardly ever happen.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on January 22, 2016, 06:25:54 AM
We've still not got rid of anybody. The only way I could see us stealing in is by matching the offer and offering them McMananaman if it's true that they actually are interested. Even then the player will need to want to go and agree with their terms. Perhaps a loan until the end of the season. I'd say I'm overthinking it and that none of what I've said is likely as cash plus player deals hardly ever happen.

Doesn't releasing Nabi free a squad place up?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sconesy on January 22, 2016, 07:00:16 AM
We've still not got rid of anybody. The only way I could see us stealing in is by matching the offer and offering them McMananaman if it's true that they actually are interested. Even then the player will need to want to go and agree with their terms. Perhaps a loan until the end of the season. I'd say I'm overthinking it and that none of what I've said is likely as cash plus player deals hardly ever happen.

Really😳? Matching an offer of 6 mil AND McManaman?!! Thank God you're not in charge of transfers!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on January 22, 2016, 07:14:45 AM
Doesn't releasing Nabi free a squad place up?

Academy player so doesnt really count towards the qouta.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 22, 2016, 08:07:03 AM
Doesn't releasing Nabi free a squad place up?

Was he ever truly in it? All it does is gives us a little money from whatever the fee was and free up his wages both of which I wouldn't expect to make much of a difference to us.

Phillips is one of those players that I wouldn't want to pay the kind of money that was quoted in the summer but around the £6m mark would be worth a punt. Doesn't seem to be the most consistent player but certainly has some talent.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on January 22, 2016, 08:28:00 AM
Was he ever truly in it? All it does is gives us a little money from whatever the fee was and free up his wages both of which I wouldn't expect to make much of a difference to us.

Phillips is one of those players that I wouldn't want to pay the kind of money that was quoted in the summer but around the £6m mark would be worth a punt. Doesn't seem to be the most consistent player but certainly has some talent.

I would agree with that.
6 million isnt really a large sum of money anymore, but considering his age and experience in the prem, and the fact we still need a winger, he fits all the criteria.

Can see it taking around 8 million to get him though, maybe more should Boro and other suitors wish to join in a bidding war.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on January 22, 2016, 09:37:46 AM
Really😳? Matching an offer of 6 mil AND McManaman?!! Thank God you're not in charge of transfers!

On loan until the end of the season was the idea. If it was permanent then you'd take off the value of Macca. I'm not completely insane. The idea is it frees up the squad place. But these deals rarely happen but I have seen the odd one where a player is sent to the selling team on loan as a bit of a sweetener.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sconesy on January 22, 2016, 09:44:27 AM
On loan until the end of the season was the idea. If it was permanent then you'd take off the value of Macca. I'm not completely insane. The idea is it frees up the squad place. But these deals rarely happen but I have seen the odd one where a player is sent to the selling team on loan as a bit of a sweetener.

Fair enough fella - must admit, despite the signing of Evans and Fletcher which were pretty low-risk. After Macca and Chester, I'm petrified as to the players Pulis will actually end up bringing in.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on January 25, 2016, 08:49:25 AM
So lets say we go in for Phillips , whats peoples view on him ?
Apart from being in that all attack Blackpool side im yet to see the hype , is he really that much better than Sess for a fair amount of cash ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 25, 2016, 09:28:38 AM
So lets say we go in for Phillips , whats peoples view on him ?
Apart from being in that all attack Blackpool side im yet to see the hype , is he really that much better than Sess for a fair amount of cash ?

Not sure if he is "better" over all than Sessegnon (certainly not worse) but I'd argue he is a lot more consistent.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on January 25, 2016, 09:36:59 AM
Not sure if he is "better" over all than Sessegnon (certainly not worse) but I'd argue he is a lot more consistent.

and that's what we need. Sess was all over the place on Saturday.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 25, 2016, 09:45:10 AM
We are likely to see a lack of consistency from any winger we are likely to attract. That's just the nature of the beast.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on January 25, 2016, 11:45:46 AM
Not sure if he is "better" over all than Sessegnon (certainly not worse) but I'd argue he is a lot more consistent.

Spot on there. Phillips will cross the ball a lot more than Sessegnon does. Rondon needs better service and Phillips is readily available to feed him.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/09/cristiano-ronaldo-leo-messi-qpr-matt-phillips-assists
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on January 26, 2016, 07:46:30 AM
I am deeply skeptical about Phillips, I've watched QPR a few times this season and aside from a couple really good games against the Dingles he's looked pretty average. Okay QPR are going through a fairly painful transitional season but I would have hoped that Phillips would have stood out. If anything on a couple of occasions I thought  Hoillett was the better player (not suggesting for a second we sign him) but I have not seen much that would make me want to part with the sort of fee QPR were wanting in the summer.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 26, 2016, 10:17:22 AM
Not really sure on the comparisons with Sess as to me, Sess is not a winger, if you are going to pick him then it has to be in the number 10 role in behind the striker, which is where I have seen him have his best games for us. In that role he can beat a man and he will be in on goal as opposed to currently where he is beating a man, having to put a cross in, realising that crossing isn't his game and therefore tries to beat the man once more to get closer to goal.

Phillips would offer us that balance on the right and hopefully more of a supply line to Rondon. I don't think Phillips is particularly brilliant and we would be paying well over the odds to get him, but I would take him right now regardless of that because TP is clearly not going to play Mcmanaman (who I would argue needs a run of games to show anything like his ability as opposed to the odd substitute cameo) and McLean on the left is more of a defensive winger than he is an assister.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 26, 2016, 09:38:25 PM
Not really sure on the comparisons with Sess as to me, Sess is not a winger, if you are going to pick him then it has to be in the number 10 role in behind the striker, which is where I have seen him have his best games for us. In that role he can beat a man and he will be in on goal as opposed to currently where he is beating a man, having to put a cross in, realising that crossing isn't his game and therefore tries to beat the man once more to get closer to goal.

Phillips would offer us that balance on the right and hopefully more of a supply line to Rondon. I don't think Phillips is particularly brilliant and we would be paying well over the odds to get him, but I would take him right now regardless of that because TP is clearly not going to play Mcmanaman (who I would argue needs a run of games to show anything like his ability as opposed to the odd substitute cameo) and McLean on the left is more of a defensive winger than he is an assister.
100% on sess, needs to be in the middle and pulling strings, remember the old Trafford game when every time we needed the pressure relieving he would accept the ball on halfway twist and turn and take the ball forward each time.
A superb footballer, in his natural position.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 26, 2016, 10:10:26 PM
It's a tricky thing assessing wingers. Very very few look good more than 60% of the time. I think we have to look at the attributes and the contribution over a long period in terms of crosses and shots/goals (and tracking back).
Phillips can cross a ball and he can certainly cut in from the right and hit a mean shot. I'd be happy with him signing if it's £6m now as I'm not sure who else we'd get....he's also got more of a record of goals and assists than any genuine wide-men we have.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: royhan on January 27, 2016, 12:02:33 AM
We've been linked with Phillips since he was at his previous club. No doubt he's been watched many times but if we were that interested we would surely have declared our hand by now.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on January 27, 2016, 08:57:36 AM
We've been linked with Phillips since he was at his previous club. No doubt he's been watched many times but if we were that interested we would surely have declared our hand by now.

There is no doubt we had a bid for him turned down in the summer. At the moment we will not move on any players this window unless we sell a player I fully expect us to be back in for him next summer.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on January 27, 2016, 09:47:16 AM
We've been linked with Phillips since he was at his previous club. No doubt he's been watched many times but if we were that interested we would surely have declared our hand by now.
Gardner's been so good on the wing, he's scared him off.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on January 27, 2016, 11:43:30 AM
100% on sess, needs to be in the middle and pulling strings, remember the old Trafford game when every time we needed the pressure relieving he would accept the ball on halfway twist and turn and take the ball forward each time.
A superb footballer, in his natural position.

He is a great number 10 for a club like ours. He will never be a number 10 for a top 7 club because he lacks the end product more often than not, but for us he can turn defence into attack in the blink of an eye as he carries the ball so well. Completely wasted out wide, but the majority of our team are completely wasted because we have a manager who remains insistent on playing them out of position.

With Mozza injured, now is the perfect time to slot Sess into the hole (so as to speak) but he will continue to play Gardner there, with his abundance of creativity...
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Halesowen12 on January 27, 2016, 12:07:10 PM
Gardner's been so good on the wing, he's scared him off.

haha made me chuckle that did
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: elkiellis on January 28, 2016, 09:50:53 PM
from what of seen of phillips he is no improvement on mac or sess,and will probably need a few months practice in back tracking at all times before pulis would play him anyway
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 28, 2016, 10:13:48 PM
from what of seen of phillips he is no improvement on mac or sess,and will probably need a few months practice in back tracking at all times before pulis would play him anyway
he can cross and shoot with either foot and he scores more goals
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: charlebaggie on January 28, 2016, 10:58:16 PM
from what of seen of phillips he is no improvement on mac or sess,and will probably need a few months practice in back tracking at all times before pulis would play him anyway
.  Already does his share of back Tracking it's part of his game Pullis likes
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 28, 2016, 11:32:10 PM
He wont be coming here, so what is the point of this thread?
I would like to eat my words, if he did, though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 29, 2016, 04:44:04 AM
He wont be coming here, so what is the point of this thread?
I would like to eat my words, if he did, though.

What's the point in the forum if threads like this are deemed pointless? We may as well close it down now if that's the case.

I don't see us signing him in this window as I think it's clear we don't have the budget to do it without Saido leaving and I really don't see that happening. Will likely be looked at again in the summer if Pulis is still manager.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on January 29, 2016, 08:52:58 AM
from what of seen of phillips he is no improvement on mac or sess,and will probably need a few months practice in back tracking at all times before pulis would play him anyway

I don't have Sky/BT Sports and unashamedly admit to not watching much football beyond live Albion performances, MotD and very little of the championship at all. I have not watched a single half let alone 90 minute QPR performance this season, only the odd goal flash if in a pub.

Have you seen anyone else who you believe to be an improvement on what we have, and a better potentially achievable option than Phillips?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2016, 01:54:17 PM
Been visiting a few other teams message boards, hes on everybodys radar it would appear
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on January 29, 2016, 04:26:56 PM
What's the point in the forum if threads like this are deemed pointless? We may as well close it down now if that's the case.

I don't see us signing him in this window as I think it's clear we don't have the budget to do it without Saido leaving and I really don't see that happening. Will likely be looked at again in the summer if Pulis is still manager.
he will be long gone by then, I've seen him a lot and suits us , he's got a good cross on him, can shoot and works hard typical pulis player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: slate on January 29, 2016, 11:31:52 PM
Aside from a 3 year old toddler, who calls themselves Matty? On that basis, I'm out.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: 65baggie on January 29, 2016, 11:54:09 PM
On Twitter that we are in talks with QPR to sign Phillips
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on January 30, 2016, 12:11:42 AM
Aside from a 3 year old toddler, who calls themselves Matty? On that basis, I'm out.

I think that stuck from the Ian Holloway days at Blackpool. "Matty is a cracking player." Etc etc.

It's a bit like everybody referring to Jonathan Evans as Jonny  :D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 31, 2016, 11:21:47 AM
Wasn't sure whether to post this as I'm not in the habit of getting fellow baggies supporters hopes but I was told yesterday by a former player that we are trying to sign Phillips on a loan to perm deal. QPR apparently are not keen on this option but will be forced to accept it if nobody else comes in. Phillips will be moving in the next 30 odd hours though. I don't see it happening though as I can see other teams making a last minute move for him to get him on the cheap.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: A5HB on January 31, 2016, 11:27:17 AM
Wasn't sure whether to post this as I'm not in the habit of getting fellow baggies supporters hopes but I was told yesterday by a former player that we are trying to sign Phillips on a loan to perm deal. QPR apparently are not keen on this option but will be forced to accept it if nobody else comes in. Phillips will be moving in the next 30 odd hours though. I don't see it happening though as I can see other teams making a last minute move for him to get him on the cheap.
Only allowed one domestic loan for a club at one time. With Sandro now on loan it would be impossible for us to loan Phillips. I do hope we make a play for him though, even if we do have to gamble a bit of money like other clubs are doing to secure survival and the new TV deal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2016, 11:30:25 AM
Only allowed one domestic loan for a club at one time. With Sandro now on loan it would be impossible for us to loan Phillips. I do hope we make a play for him though, even if we do have to gamble a bit of money like other clubs are doing to secure survival and the new TV deal.
Isn't that Premier Clubs ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 31, 2016, 11:42:11 AM
Only allowed one domestic loan for a club at one time. With Sandro now on loan it would be impossible for us to loan Phillips. I do hope we make a play for him though, even if we do have to gamble a bit of money like other clubs are doing to secure survival and the new TV deal.

Very good point. The player in question was Clem and he was ****** to be fair. Probably just on the wind up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: A5HB on January 31, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
Isn't that Premier Clubs ?
No it's any domestic loan. Only allowed two at any one time and both have to be from seperate clubs, that includes loans from all domestic leagues, even the non-league. We had an issue when we tried to sign Ridgewell whilst Foster was on loan. We couldn't loan them both so had to either pay up for Ridgewell or either end the loan for Foster by buying him or sending him back if we wanted to loan Ridgewell. As it happened we were able to buy him for a fairly nominal amount.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: charlebaggie on February 01, 2016, 08:14:28 PM
What's happening with Phillips the silence is deafening , nothing mentioned any where considering he was being linked with everyone 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on February 01, 2016, 08:24:10 PM
What's happening with Phillips the silence is deafening , nothing mentioned any where considering he was being linked with everyone

He won't be coming to us unless we sell the wonder kid!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on February 01, 2016, 08:26:13 PM
What's happening with Phillips the silence is deafening , nothing mentioned any where considering he was being linked with everyone

We are probably waiting for his contract to run out.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2016, 08:27:22 PM
What's happening with Phillips the silence is deafening , nothing mentioned any where considering he was being linked with everyone
Watford were interested in him and sky reporting that one more deal is expected to get done by Watford so maybe its phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Aixelsyd on February 01, 2016, 08:31:05 PM
Watford were interested in him and sky reporting that one more deal is expected to get done by Watford so maybe its phillips.

They just signed Penaranda from Udinese, so that could be the deal Sky is talking about
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on June 19, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
Here we go this summer's least surprising piece of transfer news

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/06/19/west-brom-manager-tony-pulis-targets-queens-park-rangers-4m-wing/?

West Brom manager Tony Pulis targets Queens Park Rangers' £4m winger Matt Phillips


 John Percy
19 JUNE 2016 • 10:30PM
West Bromwich Albion have made a £4million bid for Queens Park Rangers winger Matt Phillips and are close to agreeing a new contract with James Morrison.

Tony Pulis has stepped up his summer recruitment drive with a firm offer for Phillips, a long-term target, and is hopeful of completing a deal this week.

Phillips, the Scotland international, was the subject of two bids from West Brom last summer but is now expected to end his three-year stay at QPR and finally move to the Hawthorns.

QPR were asking for around £8million last season but will listen to offers for their star names after failing to clinch promotion back to the Premier League under Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink.

Pulis is keen to add pace and width to his squad ahead of next season, with Phillips poised to become the first addition of a revamp under the Albion head coach.

Albion are also set for another huge boost with Morrison set to reject a return to former club Middlesbrough and sign a new deal.

Morrison has been in talks for West Brom for months but is now on the verge of extending his nine-year stay at the club.

The 29-year-old will be a free agent next month and has been offered the chance to rejoin his first club Middlesbrough, who clinched promotion back to the Premier League in May.

Middlesbrough sold Morrison for £1.5million in August 2007 and are keen to bring him back to the Riverside Stadium in a bid to provide Aitor Karanka’s squad with top-flight experience.

But the midfielder is now ready to stay with West Brom following recent talks and will sign a deal worth around £38,000 a week.

West Brom could make an official announcement later this week, in a development which will prove popular with the club’s supporters.


Pulis said: "James has been here a long time so he knows what the football club is and what it’s about. He’s been a great servant, he’s a top player for me.

"Irrespective of what I think or what the chairman thinks, everybody within a deal has to want to be part of what we’re doing and that’s very important."

Albion will listen to offers for a number of fringe players in an attempt to boost the funds available for new signings.

Rickie Lambert, Callum McManaman, Cristian Gamboa and Sebastien Pocognoli are all available and will be allowed to leave if the club receives an acceptable offer.

Victor Anichebe and Stephane Sessegon have already departed as free agents, with Pulis keen to sign at least two new forwards as replacements this summer.


Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on June 19, 2016, 10:50:26 PM
Bargain at that price!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on June 20, 2016, 01:39:07 AM
IF this is true and we do land him for 4 million then it's decent business, providing his attitude is right. We've only just managed to ship out two players who could never get their heads right and reach their potential.

Can't say I've saw much of him but he sounds a pacey, direct winger? Exactly what we've lacked since Odemwingie/Thomas days.

Would be a positive bit of news!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2016, 05:13:49 AM
I'm not that fussed about Phillips I watched him a few times for QPR and he was at best OK. He is not an upgrade on Macmanaman but Pulis might play him so that's a positive
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: HampshireBaggie on June 20, 2016, 08:50:18 AM
Looks like we've headed down this route because we missed out on Redmond. £4m is a good price and i guess his wages wont be that high. That being said i think we need 1 or 2 more attack minded wingers/midfielders to compliment him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 20, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
I'm not that fussed about Phillips I watched him a few times for QPR and he was at best OK. He is not an upgrade on Macmanaman but Pulis might play him so that's a positive

Comparing stats he is an upgrade on McManaman.

McManaman has played 106 games in 7 seasons scored 10 goals , 3 assists, 13 yellow cards, 2 red cards, 3 MoM performances.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/74885/History/Callum-McManaman

Phillips has played 117 games in 4 seasons, 15 goals, 19 assists, 7 yellow, 0 red, 5 MoM performances.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/40036/History/Matthew-Phillips

We will still need another winger and a striker though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BB74 on June 20, 2016, 08:55:58 AM
First post was deleted got some reason...

Is Matty Phillips known to track back and does he work hard? Or will he be left out in a few months if the scouting hasn't been carried out properly and he is found out not to carry those vital attributes.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sing on our own on June 20, 2016, 09:32:45 AM
At 4 million Mathew Phillips would be a great signing as a squad player but if he turns into a regular starter I'm not sure he's good enough but time will tell I suppose.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2016, 10:13:03 AM
At 4 million Mathew Phillips would be a great signing as a squad player but if he turns into a regular starter I'm not sure he's good enough but time will tell I suppose.

He is absolutely not coming as a squad player who is backing up, MacManaman? We are not buying Redmond and Phillips that was always an either or situation.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on June 20, 2016, 12:02:26 PM
At 4 million Mathew Phillips would be a great signing as a squad player but if he turns into a regular starter I'm not sure he's good enough but time will tell I suppose.

Of course he's good enough.

3 goals and 8 assists 2 seasons ago in the Premier League. That's an improvement on Sessegnon's 2 goals and 2 assists.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 20, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
Would certainly take him, especially at that price.

Is he an improvement on what we have...or should I say on what we have that Pulis will select? As we only have McClean as a winger, with Gardner selected there through Pulis negativity, you would have to say yes.

We need reinforcements, the squad is in a desperate state.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sing on our own on June 20, 2016, 12:56:57 PM
I think people need to calm down its Mathew Phillips not Franck Ribery... If he's that great why didn't we sign him last season when we had the chance? I don't think he's a great improvement on what we have others do that's fine it's all opinions but it's like when we chased Craig 'Gards' Gardner for three years but only had him eventually because he was free.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on June 20, 2016, 01:11:58 PM
I think people need to calm down its Mathew Phillips not Franck Ribery... If he's that great why didn't we sign him last season when we had the chance? I don't think he's a great improvement on what we have others do that's fine it's all opinions but it's like when we chased Craig 'Gards' Gardner for three years but only had him eventually because he was free.

We had an amount we were willing to pay and QPR valued him higher than that so he didn't come. Now QPR value him at something we find acceptable.

It's like the Berahino situation. We had a price we wanted, and no-one was prepared to pay it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: darbolina on June 20, 2016, 01:41:13 PM
I think he'd be decent because
1)  he has a good record of assists (and goals for a winger_
2) he has pace
3) he can play on left, right or number 10
4) is still only 25
5) is 6'1'' (Pulis would like this)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on June 20, 2016, 01:58:22 PM
If we can get him for £4m its a no brainer. In todays market thats nothing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 20, 2016, 02:25:06 PM
I think people need to calm down its Mathew Phillips not Franck Ribery... If he's that great why didn't we sign him last season when we had the chance? I don't think he's a great improvement on what we have others do that's fine it's all opinions but it's like when we chased Craig 'Gards' Gardner for three years but only had him eventually because he was free.

Because we weren't about to pay silly money for him as a guess. I would be far happier paying £4m for him than paying any amount for those we chased for a number of years and ended up getting on a free, i.e. Gardner and Baird.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: NathWBA on June 20, 2016, 02:27:34 PM
There was a lot of mixed reactions to Antonio, a lot of forest fans said he wasn't that great and was very inconsistent, if Phillips can have a similar impact as Antonio did at West Ham then I'll have no complaints
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on June 20, 2016, 04:59:38 PM
I think he'd be decent because
1)  he has a good record of assists (and goals for a winger_
2) he has pace
3) he can play on left, right or number 10
4) is still only 25
5) is 6'1'' (Pulis would like this)
Agree, he's got a good shot and delivery on him. Several reasons why he should prove an upgrade on MacManaman who is a bit of a one trick pony and has shown little end product.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on June 20, 2016, 05:18:24 PM
We're crying out for a winger and he would add balance.
He is proven at this level and at £4 million would be cheap for todays standards, it's a no brainer. I just hope move doesn't get highjacked at the last minute, although the sensible option would be to join us after 2 relegations if he's just after comfortable football.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on June 20, 2016, 05:35:50 PM
Cue WHUFC bid !
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 20, 2016, 05:52:22 PM
I think 4 million for Phillips is a bargain. He's on about 25k a week probably so also not a problem for us. I think he looked really good at the latter end of the last season he played in the Prem and definitely will improve our stale options at the moment. Are there better players out there that we could go for? Possibly, but It could be a signing that improves us and also frees up funds to go for the more marquee names. Not that I'm suggesting we'll go and spend 20m on a player anytime soon, but we have more money than ever and more signings like Rondon smashing our transfer record will happen this close season. We'll break our transfer record on more than one occasion (the TV deal pretty much makes that a given), we just need to invest wisely.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on June 20, 2016, 05:57:59 PM
He's on about 25k a week probably so also not a problem for us.

Reported to be on £40K p/w in May 2015.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3079752/QPR-star-Matt-Phillips-blasted-fans-posing-100-000-Porsche-Twitter-three-days-team-relegated.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3079752/QPR-star-Matt-Phillips-blasted-fans-posing-100-000-Porsche-Twitter-three-days-team-relegated.html)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: darbolina on June 20, 2016, 06:11:32 PM
Cue WHUFC bid !

And Hull - Bruce loves nicking players we're after
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2016, 06:32:11 PM
Reported to be on £40K p/w in May 2015.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3079752/QPR-star-Matt-Phillips-blasted-fans-posing-100-000-Porsche-Twitter-three-days-team-relegated.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3079752/QPR-star-Matt-Phillips-blasted-fans-posing-100-000-Porsche-Twitter-three-days-team-relegated.html)

Fletcher was the footballer quoted as being on £40k a week not Phillips and I am sure I read somewhere that he was on about £25k a week.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 20, 2016, 06:52:22 PM
I'm not sure, but this is where I saw 25k

http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/what-west-brom-pay-qpr-11500267
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on June 20, 2016, 06:57:47 PM
Cue WHUFC bid !

Just out of interest the bid should really be kept between the two teams!. Im thinking Phillip's agent has leaked it to the press in the hope someone bids more! More money= more money in the agents pocket.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on June 20, 2016, 09:01:33 PM
Just out of interest the bid should really be kept between the two teams!. Im thinking Phillip's agent has leaked it to the press in the hope someone bids more! More money= more money in the agents pocket.

It isn't in the agent/players interest to bid up the fee rather once a fee is agreed they will try to get an alternative for the player and squeeze the best wage out of the club.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on June 20, 2016, 11:38:59 PM
Vanderlei and Standaman.

Guilty of speed reading again and stand corrected, but I could have sworn I'd previously read he was on considerably more than £25K p/w which is perhaps why I jumped straight onto the £40K remark.

Oh well, best slow down as the wife suggests.
 :P ;).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 21, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
Vanderlei and Standaman.

Guilty of speed reading again and stand corrected, but I could have sworn I'd previously read he was on considerably more than £25K p/w which is perhaps why I jumped straight onto the £40K remark.

Oh well, best slow down as the wife suggests.
 :P ;).

I found 25k surprising due to how QPR spunked their money since Fernandes took over.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FLETCH on June 21, 2016, 09:26:06 AM
I know someone who used to play for QPR and still involved with QPR and speak to quite a lot..... Phillips wages are top end and would give our players a run for there money already.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 21, 2016, 09:45:32 AM
I found 25k surprising due to how QPR spunked their money since Fernandes took over.

It's not that surprising for a championship club though. A lot of QPR players had to take a pay cut after relegation last time, he might well have been on significantly higher wages in the Prem.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tucka9 on June 21, 2016, 11:03:41 AM
Bid accepted in the region of £4milion
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 21, 2016, 11:12:06 AM
Bid accepted in the region of £4milion

do you have a link?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tucka9 on June 21, 2016, 11:16:05 AM
do you have a link?
I'm in London near Shepherd's Bush and it's all over there local papers/billboards that it could be done by the end of the week and a bids been accepted.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on June 21, 2016, 11:18:31 AM
I'm in London near Shepherd's Bush and it's all over there local papers/billboards that it could be done by the end of the week and a bids been accepted.

cheers. hope it is a done deal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on June 21, 2016, 12:12:27 PM
I'm in London near Shepherd's Bush and it's all over there local papers/billboards that it could be done by the end of the week and a bids been accepted.

Although its traditional to wait for the transfer window to open, but if the basis is in place that would be good news.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: 8thewolves on June 21, 2016, 12:38:37 PM
Although its traditional to wait for the transfer window to open, but if the basis is in place that would be good news.

I thought it opened on the 9th June ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on June 21, 2016, 12:47:08 PM
My mistake. I thought it was 1st July.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 21, 2016, 05:18:04 PM
12 months ago I would have said "sign him", having watched a few champ games, I am not so sure now.
4m seems a bargain and I am sure other clubs will think the same if this is true. If nothing else, he can shoot accurately and has pace. Two attributes we do not have currently.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on June 21, 2016, 05:44:36 PM
Clearly Phillips and Leko is an improvement over McManaman and McClean, at least in terms of our attacking needs.  Sell McManaman for £5m and I'd say that signing Phillips is great business.



Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on June 30, 2016, 11:34:11 AM
Birmingham mail saying the club are confident on making Philips our first signing, says we bid 4m 2 weeks ago but they want 5m and talks are ongoing.

Are we really delaying it over a million pound?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 30, 2016, 11:40:17 AM
Birmingham mail saying the club are confident on making Philips our first signing, says we bid 4m 2 weeks ago but they want 5m and talks are ongoing.

Are we really delaying it over a million pound?

Yes. That is why we are in such a good financial position, because despite the lack of ambition we have shown at times over the years, we do have a chairman that put's the finances of our club first. I know how frustrating it is as a supporter but we really do need to exercise a little patience. Normally, the transfer window wouldn't have even opened until tomorrow. Phillips will sign and we'll get him for less than the asking price.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kc56wba on June 30, 2016, 11:56:26 AM
Yes. That is why we are in such a good financial position, because despite the lack of ambition we have shown at times over the years, we do have a chairman that put's the finances of our club first. I know how frustrating it is as a supporter but we really do need to exercise a little patience. Normally, the transfer window wouldn't have even opened until tomorrow. Phillips will sign and we'll get him for less than the asking price.
I hope you are right. Will be an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on June 30, 2016, 12:03:45 PM
I hope you are right. Will be an excellent signing.

I agree mate, he's exactly the type of player we are missing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tylerm on June 30, 2016, 01:39:45 PM
Just read that we have offered 3.5 million with add ons taking it to 4 million but QPR want 5 million
This is what frustrates me about WBA just pay the money-its not a fortune and on to the next one before someone else beats us to it
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on June 30, 2016, 02:11:25 PM
Just read that we have offered 3.5 million with add ons taking it to 4 million but QPR want 5 million
This is what frustrates me about WBA just pay the money-its not a fortune and on to the next one before someone else beats us to it

See the above convo mate.

£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

I'd love us to buy 4 or 5 exciting players and have a team on paper who could be a top half challengers, but i'd rather we were still Prem 3 years from now.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie_liam on June 30, 2016, 02:13:58 PM
They won't want £5m for him with the fact being Blackpool will be entitled to a % of the fee. QPR will sell for less that £5m, Blackpool fans don't want him going for over that amount either because it will just go into the oyston pockets.
I think someone, hopefully us, will get him for around £4.2-.4.5m
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on June 30, 2016, 02:57:04 PM
Its all good saying just pay the extra £1million, but if we do that with all the summer signings (on average 5 players) thats 5 million pound which could effectively be another player for a team like us.

When players like Ritchie and the like are going for upwards 10/11 million, spending 4 million on Phillips could be an absolute steal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: RuncornBaggie on June 30, 2016, 03:43:55 PM
Just read that we have offered 3.5 million with add ons taking it to 4 million but QPR want 5 million
This is what frustrates me about WBA just pay the money-its not a fortune and on to the next one before someone else beats us to it

£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money! 

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on June 30, 2016, 04:42:35 PM
£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money!

2 x David Mills  :o.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 30, 2016, 04:43:52 PM
£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money!


most of us wouldnt need to work again
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: barham87 on June 30, 2016, 05:19:29 PM

£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

That's how we have missed out on quality players such as Cresswell, Antonio and Bony(at Vitesse Arnhem).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tylerm on June 30, 2016, 07:09:03 PM
£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

That's how we have missed out on quality players such as Cresswell, Antonio and Bony(at Vitesse Arnhem).

I agree-we may well get him for 4 in the end but watch out for the howls of protest if we lose out because West Ham/Stoke come on no and just pay 5 and get the deal done in a day
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: weareblueweare white on June 30, 2016, 07:12:32 PM
£1 million is a massive amount of money!  Just think for a minute what you could buy for that amount of money!
It is to us, but in football it's a drop in the ocean
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: dangerman on June 30, 2016, 08:00:29 PM
£1million is a decent chunk of money. It's about 1% of our turnover i think and the "just get it done" approach is what Wolves, Blues & Villa did. They laughed at us for being "cheap" and missing out on people because we wouldn't bend and look where they are and where we are.

That's how we have missed out on quality players such as Cresswell, Antonio and Bony(at Vitesse Arnhem).

Cast your mind back to Wolves relegation season. Masses of Albion fans moaning because we hadn'tspent millions on a certain Roger Johnson instead we went for some guy called Gareth McAuley.

Guess who the better player was/is?

Spending money doesn't automatically equal a good player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on June 30, 2016, 08:04:52 PM
Cast your mind back to Wolves relegation season. Masses of Albion fans moaning because we hadn'tspent millions on a certain Roger Johnson instead we went for some guy called Gareth McAuley.

Guess who the better player was/is?

Spending money doesn't automatically equal a good player.

By the same logic though, we also missed out on Antonio last year by doing the same negotiation tactics - who would have been a great signing. Besides, £1 million really isn't much in todays market - it's not even got the same value of say 2-3 years back when in footballing terms it would have been worth about £500k (half of what it is now). There's a time and a place but you have to say it's quite a risky game.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 30, 2016, 08:30:25 PM
Spending someone else's money is very easy, Liverpool got the Carroll deal done quickly, Chelsea got the veron deal done quickly etc etc
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: saltnshake on June 30, 2016, 08:44:56 PM
Spending someone else's money is very easy, Liverpool got the Carroll deal done quickly, Chelsea got the veron deal done quickly etc etc
Yes but what message does this send out to the player? he must be thinking do they actually want me or not we are talking about a tiny percentage of our income this season, around about the same amount Jenkins was paid in a bonus last season i bet they didn't haggle about that.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on June 30, 2016, 08:56:16 PM
We are back for pre-season in a weeks time so surely it would be best to get him in to do the full pre season with us ? Hopefully that's the aim.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on July 01, 2016, 09:52:02 AM
it seems very simple to me. If we really want him and he is a significant piece of the jigsaw that when complete will make us a better team them just pay the bloody money and get the deal done. He will be no better for us if we pay 3mil or 4 mil - we are hardly talking a kings ransom here. Personally i would not go near him but if we want him squeezing the last fifty quid on a deal seems very counterproductive.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on July 01, 2016, 10:15:46 AM
We've dragged out an average transfer for 18 months. Meanwhile Palace pay the money for a much better player in Townsend, signed and sorted.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on July 01, 2016, 10:57:52 AM
We've dragged out an average transfer for 18 months. Meanwhile Palace pay the money for a much better player in Townsend, signed and sorted.

True..... our problem is that to JP every penny is a prisoner, and it leads to us losing quality players because of haggling over a price or wage. I know that we have to be shrewd with our deals, and I would not want us to waste money like some clubs do [particularly when its not theirs], but we are in the Premier, and everything is expensive......you cannot run a Premier league club on a Championship budget.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Watton...! on July 01, 2016, 11:31:48 AM
True..... our problem is that to JP every penny is a prisoner, and it leads to us losing quality players because of haggling over a price or wage. I know that we have to be shrewd with our deals, and I would not want us to waste money like some clubs do [particularly when its not theirs], but we are in the Premier, and everything is expensive......you cannot run a Premier league club on a Championship budget.

But we have done for the past 5 years...

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 01, 2016, 02:18:20 PM
But we have done for the past 5 years...

No, we most definately haven't. What a completely outrageous statement. Look at our wage bill compared to every Championship club and you'll see why your comment is complete nonsense. Our club has been run like a successful business over the last 10 years and have the 14th highest wage bill in the Premier League. Compare our 70 mil wage bill to the clubs in the Championship below and you'll see that your statement is a false one:



Birmingham City
Company name: Birmingham City plc
Owned by: Birmingham International Holdings, a Hong Kong-listed group now in receivership
Turnover: £20.1m (£24.2m)
Pre-tax loss: £5.5m (-£4.1m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £11.7m
Wages and salaries: £18m


Blackburn Rovers
Company name: Blackburn Rovers Football and Athletic
Owned by: Venky's London Ltd, owned by V H Group, an Indian company with interests in poultry, processed food, animal vaccines and pharmaceuticals
Turnover: £30.4m (£26.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £42.1m (-£36.5m)
Net debt: £79.8m
Wages and salaries: £34.5m


Bolton Wanderers
Company name: Bolton Wanderers Football & Athletic Company
Owned by: Isle of Man businessman Eddie Davies, a self-made millionaire, and Fildraw Private Trust, a company registered in Bermuda
Turnover: £30.6m (£28.5m)
Pre-tax loss: £9.1m (-£50.7m)
Net debt: £182.1m
Wages and salaries: £27.6m

Brentford
Company name: Brentford FC Ltd
Owned by: Matthew Benham, a betting industry tycoon and owner of Danish side FC Midtjylland
Turnover: £3.3m (£3.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £8.7m (-£4.5m)
Net debt: £19.2m
Wages and salaries: £8.9m


Brighton & Hove Albion
Company name: Brighton & Hove Albion Holdings
Owned by: Tony Bloom, a sports bettor and property investor
Turnover: £24m (£23.4m)
Pre-tax loss: £10.6m (-£15.3m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £62.5m
Wages and salaries:  £18m


Bristol City
Company name: Bristol City Holdings
Owned by: Pula Sport, owned by billionaire and Hargreaves Lansdown co-founder Steve Lansdown
Turnover: £6.1m (9.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £9.5m (-£13m)
Net debt: £25.6m
Wages and salaries: £9.9m


Burnley
Company name: Burnley Football & Athletic Company
Owned by: Chairman Mike Garlick holds a 31.2 per cent stake, while directors including John Banaszkiewicz and Brendan Flood also have shares
Turnover: £19.6m (£15.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.9m (-£7.6m)
Net debt: £4.6m
Wages and salaries: £18.8m


Cardiff City
Company name: Cardiff City Football Club
Owned by: Vincent Tan, the Malaysian businessman
Turnover: £79.9m (£14.6m)
Pre-tax loss: £11.7m (-£31m)
Net debt: £81.1m
Wages and salaries: £46.7m


Charlton Athletic
Company name: Charlton Athletic Football Company
Owned by: Staprix NV, a company registered in Belgium, which is 95 per cent owned by Roland Duchâtelet
Turnover: £12.7m (£11.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £5.7m (-£6m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £44.1m
Wages and salaries: £10.4m


Derby County
Company name: The Derby County Football Club
Owned by: GSE Group and chairman Mel Morris, who has made billions through King Digital Entertainment
Turnover: £20.2m (£15.4m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.1m (-£7.1m)
Net debt: £14.6m
Wages and salaries: £14.5m


Fulham
Company name: Fulham Football Club
Owned by: Shahid Khan, a US-based billionaire who also owns Jacksonville Jaguars in the NFL, via Cougar Holdco London Ltd and Bermuda investment company Big Cat Holdings
Turnover: £91.3m (£73m)
Pre-tax loss: £33m (-£2.7m)
Net debt: £24m
Wages and salaries: £60.4m


Huddersfield Town
Company name: The Huddersfield Town Association Football Club
Owned by:  Dean Hoyle, founder of discount greeting cards chain Card Factory
Turnover: £10.8m (£11.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £6.8m (-£4m)
Net debt: £37.4m
Wages and salaries: £11.8m


Hull City
Company name: Hull City Tigers
Owned by:  Allamhouse Ltd, the business behind the interests of Assem Allam
Turnover: £88.5m (£11.1m)
Pre-tax profit: £9.4m (-£25.6m)
Net debt: £64.8m
Wages and salaries: £38.6m


Ipswich Town
Company name: Ipswich Town Football Club Company
Owned by: Marcus Evans through the Isle of Man-registered Marcus Evans Worldwide Holdings (IOM)
Turnover: £13.6m (£15m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.2m (-£9.8m)
Net debt: £82.4m
Wages and salaries: £13.9m


Leeds United
Company name: Leeds United Football Club
Owned by: Massimo Cellino's Eleonora Sport (75 per cent); Gulf Finance House (21.43 per cent); Leeds City Holdings [75 per cent owned by Eleonora and 25 per cent by GFH] (3.57 per cent)
Turnover: £25.3m (£28.6m)
Pre-tax loss: £20.3m (-£9.4m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £20.9m owed to GFH Capital; Eleonora Sport is owed £8.4m; Cellino is owed £1.3m; and Eleonora Immobiliaire is owed £2.5m
Wages and salaries: £20.1m


Middlesbrough
Company name: Middlesbrough Football & Athletic Company (1986)
Owned by: Gibson O'Neill Company, which is itself wholly owned by Steve Gibson and Mike O'Neill
Turnover: £12.8m (£14.2m)
Pre-tax loss: £20.4m (-£18.5m)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £76m
Wages and salaries: £14.4m


Milton Keynes Dons
Company name: Milton Keynes Dons
Owned by: InterMK Group Ltd, which is wholly owned by Pete Winkelman.
Turnover: £4.4m (£5.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £1.7m (-£2.5m)
Net debt: Not stated           
Total loans: £10.3m
Wages and salaries: £3.5m

Nottingham Forest
Company name: NFFC Group Holdings
Owned by: Fawaz Mubarak Abdulaziz Al-Hasawi and Abdulaziz Mubarak Al-Hasawi
Turnover: £16.5m (£15.4m)
Pre-tax loss: £23.9m (-£8m)
Net debt: £46.1m                       
Wages and salaries: £24m


Preston North End
Company name: Preston North End Ltd
Owned by: Wordon Group, a company incorporated in the Isle of Man and controlled by the family interests of Trevor Hemmings
Turnover: £6.1m (£5.8m)
Pre-tax profit: £16.4m (-£1m)
Net cash: £590,000
Wages and salaries: £5.7m


Queens Park Rangers
Company name: Queens Park Rangers Football & Athletic Club
Owned by: Tune QPR, registered in Malaysia and owned by Tony Fernandes, Kamarudin Bin Meranun and Ruben Emir Gnanalingam (66 per cent);  and Sea Dream, the family holding of Lakshmi Mittal (33 per cent)
Turnover: £38.7m (£60.6m)
Pre-tax loss: £9.8m (-£65.4m)
Net debt: £179.6m
Wages and salaries: £66.4m


Reading
Company name: Reading Football Club Ltd
Owned by: GPT Football Investment and GPT UK Investment, owned by Narin Niruttinanon (50 per cent); RFC UK Investment owned by Sasima Srivikorn (25 per cent); Universal UK Investment, owned by Sumrith Thanakarnjanasuth (25 per cent)
Turnover: £38.1m (£59.3m)
Pre-tax loss: £7.3m (-£2.3m)
Net debt: £47.1m
Wages and salaries: £30.1m


Rotherham United
Company name: Rotherham United Football Club (RUFC) Ltd
Owned by: ASD Lighting Holdings, owned by Tony and Joan Stewart (88 per cent); Brian Becket, Ronald Hull and Lelsie Wilson (3.92 per cent each)
Turnover: £11m (£7.1m)
Pre-tax profit: £167,212 (-£477,023)
Net debt: Not stated
Total loans: £172,000 owed to ASD
Wages and salaries: £4.8m       


Sheffield Wednesday
Company name: Sheffield Wednesday Football Club
Owned by: Dejphon Chansiri, whose family controls the Thai Union Frozen Group, the world's largest producer of tuna
Turnover: £13.9m (£14.9m)
Pre-tax loss: £5.6m (-£3.7m)
Net debt: £11m
Wages and salaries: £11.1m


Wolverhampton Wanderers
Company name: W.W. (1990) Ltd
Owned by: Redrow founder Steve Morgan through Bridgemere UK plc
Turnover: £32.6m (£32.1m)
Pre-tax profit: £8.5m (-£33.1m)
Net funds: £7m
Wages and salaries: £17.9m
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: section5 on July 01, 2016, 02:42:02 PM
wow a post backed up with fact
how much debt are we currently in do you know vanderlei?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 01, 2016, 02:48:01 PM
Slightly off topic - but after looking at those stats, who are the big earners in that Cardiff squad? Massive wage bill for a team in the championship when you look at the other figures they have a higher wage bill than Hull and co.

Off the top of my head cant think of any Cardiff players who should be warranting large wages?

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 01, 2016, 03:32:47 PM
wow a post backed up with fact
how much debt are we currently in do you know vanderlei?

We are debt free mate.

West Bromwich Albion

Accounts of West Bromwich Albion Football Club Ltd for the year to 30 June 2015

• Ownership Majority owned by the chairman, Jeremy Peace

• Turnover 17th highest in League £96m, up from £87m in 2014

• Income Gate income £8m; Merchandising £3m; TV and broadcasting £77m; Commercial £8m

• Wage bill 14th highest in League £70m, up from £65m in 2014

• Wages as proportion of turnover 73%

• Profit before tax £4m, following £13m profit in 2014

• Net debt £0

• Interest payable £0

• Highest-paid director Unnamed, £1.119m (Jeremy Peace is the executive chairman)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on July 01, 2016, 03:48:59 PM
Thank you Vanderlei - very informative!

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on July 03, 2016, 06:14:42 PM
Has been left out of QPR squad for pre season tour
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 03, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
He is going to the Vile.
Sold for £6 million.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: NathWBA on July 03, 2016, 09:51:37 PM
He is going to the Vile.
Sold for £6 million.
it's embarrassing if this is true, we have palace bidding 30+million for players and we won't pay 4mill for a player we have been tracking for 2 years and end up missing out on to a lower league team.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggysean on July 03, 2016, 10:39:53 PM
Villatalk suggesting the Twitter source over the Phillips rumour is rubbish. They're all talking about Ravel Morrison as their likely wide man signing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on July 03, 2016, 10:42:25 PM
We may well have moved on to bigger fish than Philips
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on July 03, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
We may well have moved on to bigger fish than Philips

Like ? ::)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on July 03, 2016, 11:41:11 PM
Like ? ::)

I didn't have anybody in particular in mind - I was merely speculating based on all the other names that we've been linked with in other positions.   

I would have thought that Phillips would have been done and dusted by now if we were still after him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on July 03, 2016, 11:47:26 PM
He is going to the Vile.
Sold for £6 million.

Can't find anything anywhere about this, not even a nip on Twitter. After all this time I just wanna see what's he's like for us!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 04, 2016, 03:21:49 AM
Can't find anything anywhere about this, not even a nip on Twitter. After all this time I just wanna see what's he's like for us!

We shall have to wait and see.
I saw it on facebook earlier, that is why I posted it.

Or will we wait until the last minutes of the summer window and have to sort out the dregs of what is left as per usual...or the other option is paying over the odds in the January transfer window.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on July 04, 2016, 06:41:28 AM
it's embarrassing if this is true, we have palace bidding 30+million for players and we won't pay 4mill for a player we have been tracking for 2 years and end up missing out on to a lower league team.

Why is it??

What if we had no intention of signing him but that was just paper talk?

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: NathWBA on July 04, 2016, 08:51:27 AM
Why is it??

What if we had no intention of signing him but that was just paper talk?
if that's the case then fair enough but when local media both Midlands and London have been reporting it then you'd expect there to be a genuine interest, on the bright side the Twitter account that started the villa rumour is a parody account so no truth in it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Chipperfan on July 04, 2016, 08:59:12 AM
if that's the case then fair enough but when local media both Midlands and London have been reporting it then you'd expect there to be a genuine interest, on the bright side the Twitter account that started the villa rumour is a parody account so no truth in it.

Quite fitting given that Villa are a parody of a football club.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mooncat on July 04, 2016, 09:04:47 AM
And they're STILL obsessed with us  ;)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 04, 2016, 12:23:41 PM
He will sign in the next two days.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MBWBA on July 04, 2016, 12:25:11 PM
He will sign in the next two days.

For who? Us or villa as stated in this thread
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 04, 2016, 12:28:10 PM
For who? Us or villa as stated in this thread

For us.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MBWBA on July 04, 2016, 12:29:37 PM
For us.

thanks
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on July 04, 2016, 01:14:29 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/squad-announcement-hint-west-broms-11562585#ICID=FB-Birm-wba (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/squad-announcement-hint-west-broms-11562585#ICID=FB-Birm-wba)

QPR have announced their pre-season squad who are off on a tour of Holland - and they’ve left Matt Phillips at home.

The winger is expected to join Albion in the near future as the clubs haggle over a deal.

Tony Pulis is a long-term admirer of Phillips, who came close to joining Albion last summer.

With one less year on his contract, his value has tumbled and he’ll be available for around £4m.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Xpresso on July 04, 2016, 01:28:00 PM
Quote
The winger is expected to join Albion in the near future as the clubs haggle over a deal.

Haggling over 50p again, no doubt.

Now everyone knows we're close to a deal so watch someone else step in and nick him from under our noses.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tambag on July 04, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
Rob Dorsett ‏@Dorselator 3m3 minutes ago

#wba have agreed a fee of £5m with #qpr for Matt Phillips, we understand. Personal terms/medical still outstanding.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 04, 2016, 01:45:24 PM
Haggling over 50p again, no doubt.

Now everyone knows we're close to a deal so watch someone else step in and nick him from under our noses.

From what I have seen I quite like Phillips however the niggling thought I have is why does no one else appear to be in for him at this price?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on July 04, 2016, 01:46:01 PM
Finally...get it done
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Ihsaan on July 04, 2016, 01:46:14 PM
Sky Sports News twitter now reporting that we've agreed a £5.5M fee.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 04, 2016, 01:55:35 PM
From what I have seen I quite like Phillips however the niggling thought I have is why does no one else appear to be in for him at this price?

Everyone else is busy spending 20-30million on players.

When you look at the wingers of most premier league squads, they dont really 'need' him - exluding the promoted teams.

We are in need for a winger, and its obvious hes going to be coming here as 1st choice so its an easy decision for him to make.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 04, 2016, 02:13:24 PM
We are in need for a winger, and its obvious hes going to be coming here as 1st choice so its an easy decision for him to make.

Thought the same about McManaman in fairness and look how that went. Here's hoping that Phillips works 'ard, else it won't matter how much quality he has, he'll be warming the bench whilst Gardner and McClean run up and down the lines.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on July 04, 2016, 02:35:29 PM
Sky Sports News twitter now reporting that we've agreed a £5.5M fee.

PAUL Suart on twitter
https://twitter.com/PaulSuartWBA/status/749948455938846720?s=04

But im thinking what happens if he fails his medical or fails to agree terms?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 04, 2016, 02:39:22 PM
PAUL Suart on twitter
https://twitter.com/PaulSuartWBA/status/749948455938846720?s=04

But im thinking what happens if he fails his medical or fails to agree terms?


Then we move on. There's nothing great about him anyway. If Albion had any sort of ambition and wanted to sign a winger they'd have gone after Andros Townsend. Instead it's the usual cheap, unambitious option.  Our fans are that desperate they get reasonably excited about a player like Phillips. It's sad.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on July 04, 2016, 02:49:06 PM

Then we move on. There's nothing great about him anyway. If Albion had any sort of ambition and wanted to sign a winger they'd have gone after Andros Townsend. Instead it's the usual cheap, unambitious option.  Our fans are that desperate they get reasonably excited about a player like Phillips. It's sad.

Agree with this. Nail on the head, very little ambition
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on July 04, 2016, 02:52:36 PM
We did go for Townsend but he simply wanted a move back to London

Nothing we could of done
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 04, 2016, 02:56:04 PM
We did go for Townsend but he simply wanted a move back to London

Nothing we could of done


He wouldn't come to Albion because we have no ambition and we are seen as as small fish. No quality player would come to Albion because we cannot / will not go anywhere near to matching their ambition.

I'm a lifelong Albion fan and if I was a player I would choose almost any Premier League club to join ahead of Albion because what's in it for me?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 04, 2016, 03:02:23 PM

He wouldn't come to Albion because we have no ambition and we are seen as as small fish. No quality player would come to Albion because we cannot / will not go anywhere near to matching their ambition.

I'm a lifelong Albion fan and if I was a player I would choose almost any Premier League club to join ahead of Albion because what's in it for me?

Money.

Simple as that, offer a player enough money and they will come.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 04, 2016, 03:07:29 PM
Money.

Simple as that, offer a player enough money and they will come.


Exactly. Money (largely) equals ambition.

This must go to London thing is utter bllx. Does anyone think Townsend would've turned down Liverpool, or Man Utd or Man City?  Everton, Southampton?

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on July 04, 2016, 03:22:09 PM
Judging by fan reaction on social media, QPR seem to think they've had our pants down and Matt Phillips is sh*te.

Lovely stuff
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 04, 2016, 03:24:16 PM
Judging by fan reaction on social media, QPR seem to think they've had our pants down and Matt Phillips is sh*te.

Lovely stuff

I've never seen him as anything amazing, has surprised me that we have been so adamant on bringing him in. Does remind me of the Gardner, Baird sagas, both of those were bang average too.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 04, 2016, 03:28:50 PM
I think the final 4-5 months of QPR season in the premier league when he seemed to be the only one trying to get them out the mess has done him the world of good.

Ill give the lad a fair crack at the whip and will take QPR fans comment with a pinch of salt.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 04, 2016, 03:34:41 PM
Is Townsend much better than Phillips though?

In Phillips' one Premier League season he got 8 assists. In Townsend's whole Premier League career he's only managed 7 assists.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba13 on July 04, 2016, 03:37:36 PM
Some of you lot make me laugh the lad aint signed yet and some of you are slagging him off,when/if he becomes a baggie I will be right behind  him 100%as I have been with aii our signings good or bad.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: telford baggie on July 04, 2016, 03:41:48 PM

Then we move on. There's nothing great about him anyway. If Albion had any sort of ambition and wanted to sign a winger they'd have gone after Andros Townsend. Instead it's the usual cheap, unambitious option.  Our fans are that desperate they get reasonably excited about a player like Phillips. It's sad.
spot on average player again
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on July 04, 2016, 03:44:00 PM
I'll get behind him 100% and think he could offer us a great deal. However, I'm just sceptical we will get another plodder , McClean , Gardner, etc etc.

On a positive note, three years ago around this time we had just signed Anelka  :o
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on July 04, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
Judging by fan reaction on social media, QPR seem to think they've had our pants down and Matt Phillips is sh*te.

Lovely stuff
I remember the Ipswich fans saying that years ago with Gaardsoe who turned out to be a quality defender. Social media is full of loudmouth 'fans' for every club, you could guarentee some Juventus fans would be calling Pogba useless if he went to Man Utd next week.

Personally I think Phillips is a sensible signing. I wouldn't compare him to McManaman as he came with known injury/fitness problems whilst some Wigan fans questioned his attitude, whereas Phillips is more rounded in my view.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on July 04, 2016, 04:02:22 PM
QPR fans are happy to be selling fer when he's a proven prem player and had a good end of season for Swansea, the Swansea fans are happy to see him back

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 04, 2016, 04:04:52 PM
Money.

Simple as that, offer a player enough money and they will come.

No they will not, most want to play in Manchester or London, we have always shopped from the lower shelves, Cyrille Regis from Hayes, Laurie Cunningham from Orient, Paul Mariner chose Ipswich ahead of us, never been any different.

The only way we will get top grade players is if we qualify for Europe by developing our youth but even then, with FFP we will not be able to compete.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on July 04, 2016, 04:05:36 PM
Townsend forced through a move to palace, didn't he show great loyalty to Newcastle? H wasn't good enough for spurs or England.

Phillips could of forced q move past summer but didn't. Hes at a good age as well
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on July 04, 2016, 04:10:13 PM
On the fact alone that he has pace excites me. In a hard working team he could flourish.

Very sensible transfer amount & Only 25, hopefully replaces Sessegnon, which shouldn't be difficult to do.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Watton...! on July 04, 2016, 04:45:45 PM
No matter what happens you will never please some fans, can't believe some of the comments.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wbatillidie on July 04, 2016, 05:41:38 PM
Not a bad start to the window if we can get this done. He's certainly a better winger than McClean and Gardner and £5 million isn't a bad price at all.

I hope there will be a more marquee type signing on the left side of midfield or for the #10 role though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 04, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
I hope he signs as I think this is a sensible signing at a reasonable price (prem league standards) if he works he will be a great signing and should work well with our set up!
Hope it all goes through ok from now! 👍🏻👍🏻
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DanSinar Odemwingie on July 04, 2016, 06:19:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHnFTRPnKEU

i know you never go off a youtube clip (el ghannasy) but of what ive seen hes a improvement on what we have, id be happy if signs
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on July 04, 2016, 06:19:55 PM
Townsend forced through a move to palace, didn't he show great loyalty to Newcastle? H wasn't good enough for spurs or England.

Phillips could of forced q move past summer but didn't. Hes at a good age as well

Seriously  :o :o :o

He should have not only been in the squad, he should have been starting over Sterling

Townsend is a quality player and I'm gutted we didnt get him.

Not overly confident in Phillips, will support him and hope he does do well should he sign, from what I have seen there is a decent player in there and he can tackle and drive forward too.

Heres hoping
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Lloydy on July 04, 2016, 06:22:21 PM
From what I've seen of him he has to be an improvement on Sess, McLean and Gardner out wide, no question.

I would still like another top quality winger to play on the other wing though, with Leko coming off the bench if required.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on July 04, 2016, 06:22:59 PM
think he will fit in well can see why pulis wants him, he does work hard from what I've seen but does have an end product. definitely an upgrade on both Gardner and McClean.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on July 04, 2016, 06:23:52 PM
Seriously  :o :o :o

He should have not only been in the squad, he should have been starting over Sterling

Townsend is a quality player and I'm gutted we didnt get him.

Not overly confident in Phillips, will support him and hope he does do well should he sign, from what I have seen there is a decent player in there and he can tackle and drive forward too.

Heres hoping

If Townsend was good enough for England then spurs would of kept him not actively look to ship him out
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 04, 2016, 06:32:52 PM
Well he has to be a damn sight better than our wide options last season.

Pulis has spoken at length about getting the ball into the middle quickly and Phillips will aid that. I get the feeling Matt Phillips crossing for Rondon to head home maybe heard a few times next season!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 04, 2016, 06:33:39 PM
He did well with QPR in the prem and has pace and some end product.
The championship is a 2 game a week slog which will suit some but not others.
Hopefully his best years are in front of him with us.

I think we need 3 genuine widemen. Phillips and Leko are two but I'd like to see McManaman sold and another brought in.
I suspect though we will still see McLean, Morrison and Gardner filling the wide spots on occasions.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on July 04, 2016, 06:43:28 PM
He did well with QPR in the prem and has pace and some end product.
The championship is a 2 game a week slog which will suit some but not others.
Hopefully his best years are in front of him with us.

I think we need 3 genuine widemen. Phillips and Leko are two but I'd like to see McManaman sold and another brought in.
I suspect though we will still see McLean, Morrison and Gardner filling the wide spots on occasions.
I do hope you're wrong Adder.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dan on July 04, 2016, 06:59:32 PM
Anything that prevents Craig Gardner starting as a winger (or at all) is an improvement.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on July 04, 2016, 09:41:06 PM
I think Pulis will use Morrison or possibly Phillips behind Rondon.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DanSinar Odemwingie on July 04, 2016, 09:43:35 PM
I think Pulis will use Morrison or possibly Phillips behind Rondon.

id use morrison behind rondon as would be better suited there in my opinion
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: botters on July 04, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
id use morrison behind rondon as would be better suited there in my opinion

Yes agree entirely
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ripryan1971 on July 04, 2016, 10:54:42 PM
I think MP will provide everything Pulis wants in a wide player.

He can beat a man with his pace
Puts fantastic crosses in
Provides assists
Tracks back and works hard
Provides an extra outlet on goal kicks, because of his size he should be out jumping fullbacks, instead of asking Dawson too do it

Capable of taking set pieces, or if we can get another quality wide man in, would provide another big presence in the box.

Ticks every box for me, as everyone says, it's an upgrade on what we've had at a decent price.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hardtobeat on July 05, 2016, 08:24:45 AM
 Hasnt he played at f/b at times as well or have i dreamt that ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 05, 2016, 08:39:44 AM
I think MP will provide everything Pulis wants in a wide player.

He can beat a man with his pace
Puts fantastic crosses in
Provides assists
Tracks back and works hard
Provides an extra outlet on goal kicks, because of his size he should be out jumping fullbacks, instead of asking Dawson too do it

Capable of taking set pieces, or if we can get another quality wide man in, would provide another big presence in the box.

Ticks every box for me, as everyone says, it's an upgrade on what we've had at a decent price.

Not sure what you mean , but you seem to be suggesting that he is taller than Dawson which he isn't.

Agree that he is an upgrade and at a decent price.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on July 05, 2016, 09:19:10 AM
Hasnt he played at f/b at times as well or have i dreamt that ?

hardtobeat, I think you're confusing him with Antonio at West Ham.

Pulis is signing Phillips predominantly to put more crosses into the box.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cornishbaggie on July 05, 2016, 10:16:29 AM
PAUL Suart on twitter
https://twitter.com/PaulSuartWBA/status/749948455938846720?s=04

But im thinking what happens if he fails his medical or fails to agree terms?

hasn't signed yet. i imagine JP will fall off his chair when Phillips asks for £100k per week :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ripryan1971 on July 05, 2016, 11:28:28 AM
Lol Hull Baggie

I'm suggesting instead of aiming for Dawson every goal kick, we can now aim for MP if needed, nothing too do with height, just another option. As you might of noticed that's our outlet from a goal kick, rather than hit it long too Rondon, who doesn't have a brilliant standing still jump.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 05, 2016, 11:35:37 AM
Lol Hull Baggie

I'm suggesting instead of aiming for Dawson every goal kick, we can now aim for MP if needed, nothing too do with height, just another option. As you might of noticed that's our outlet from a goal kick, rather than hit it long too Rondon, who doesn't have a brilliant standing still jump.

Ah cheers for clearing that up for me. Agree with you on all points!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mikkyk on July 05, 2016, 11:37:41 AM
Not sure what you mean , but you seem to be suggesting that he is taller than Dawson which he isn't.

Agree that he is an upgrade and at a decent price.

I think he means instead of having to push Dawson up from right back, he can be the wide target man as a right winger.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Throstletown on July 05, 2016, 11:53:39 AM
Fozzie best start learning to kick a ball then in pre season
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 05, 2016, 12:51:12 PM
At the training ground having a medical according to the E&D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 05, 2016, 07:45:41 PM
Expected to be announced officially tomorrow according to Matt Wilson from the Express and Star on Twitter.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 06, 2016, 08:14:50 AM
It's a start, if he joins we have a Right Winger that Pulis might play which is progress.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on July 06, 2016, 10:34:34 AM
Confirmed.

Welcome Matty boy
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on July 06, 2016, 10:37:07 AM
Welcome to the club. Here's hoping he is a success.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hardtobeat on July 06, 2016, 10:39:02 AM
 Welcome and please dont leave the rest too far behind in the sprint tests  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on July 06, 2016, 10:45:18 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/albion-west-brom-matt-phillips-nick-hammond-3170378.aspx

Great top flight chance for new man - Pulis

ALBION have confirmed the Club's first new signing of the summer transfer window with the arrival of Matt Phillips from Queen's Park Rangers.

The 25-year-old Scottish international has agreed a four-year contract for an undisclosed fee with the details tied up in time for Phillips to join his new team mates for the pre-season fitness camp in Austria.

Head Coach Tony Pulis said: "We're really pleased to have Matty on board. This is a great chance for him to show everyone he belongs in the top-flight of English football."

Technical Director Nick Hammond said: "I think it's fair to say Matt has been on the radar for a period of time and we're very pleased to have finally got his signature.

"He's a great acquisition because he adds to the versatility within the group. He gives us both wide positions and is also able to play as a central striker.

"We're absolutely delighted to welcome Matt to the club."

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tgd26 on July 06, 2016, 10:48:02 AM
I'm pleased with this signing.

As always, I will judge him on how he plays in a Baggies shirt on not on his QPR form.

Hopefully he can settle in quickly.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on July 06, 2016, 10:52:43 AM
We have width! ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on July 06, 2016, 10:55:18 AM
Good acquisition.
We need more  8)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on July 06, 2016, 10:58:42 AM
Just need someone who can pass (not hoof) the ball to him now.

add 1 offensive CM (with pace) and a left back and we'll be in pretty good shape IMO.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on July 06, 2016, 11:37:05 AM
Welcome to the club Matty

looking forward to seeing what he brings to our team
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: orville on July 06, 2016, 11:39:09 AM
Welcome to the club Matt
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on July 06, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
Regardless of how he turns out, I am just pleased that Pulis is prepared to sign a flair player! At least it guarentees some entertainment value. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 06, 2016, 12:04:42 PM
a step in the right direction, welcome Matt Phillips
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggies_24 on July 06, 2016, 12:08:30 PM
Corking bit of business for £5.5 million, hopefully he nails down that rw spot for years to come. Need to add on this now if I have to watch another season of Craig Gardner been our creative output I'm going to give up on football.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on July 06, 2016, 12:31:54 PM
Regardless of how he turns out, I am just pleased that Pulis is prepared to sign a flair player! At least it guarentees some entertainment value.

We said that when we signed Mcmanaman!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boing_boing68 on July 06, 2016, 12:37:12 PM
Can he Play fullback?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 06, 2016, 12:38:57 PM
Can he Play fullback?


im sure Tones already googled it
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on July 06, 2016, 12:40:27 PM
Finally we get some pace :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on July 06, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

im sure Tones already googled it
i bet "he's a good lad"
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on July 06, 2016, 12:51:15 PM
i bet "he's a good lad"

Works aaaaaaard!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 06, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
Excellent signing, upgrade on Sessegnon in virtually every way and done nice and early.

Well done Albion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AshD on July 06, 2016, 12:53:17 PM
Excellent signing, upgrade on Sessegnon in virtually every way and done nice and early.

Well done Albion.

Rondon should benefit from having someone who can deliver a decent cross! Will hopefully chip in with goals, and gives us genuine width. A step very much in the right direction!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 06, 2016, 01:08:07 PM
Excellent signing, upgrade on Sessegnon in virtually every way and done nice and early.

Well done Albion.

Sessegnon was a number 10 being played wide because Pulis didn't trust him centrally. Apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 06, 2016, 01:11:11 PM
Pleased with this one. Strengthens the first 11 (if selected) and adds attributes we don't have currently. Time to address the opposite flank now.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 06, 2016, 01:12:23 PM
Sessegnon was a number 10 being played wide because Pulis didn't trust him centrally. Apples and oranges.

No end product, not particularly quick, doesn't score enough goals or assist enough. Phillips can also play off the striker.

Apples and more Apples, except one is fresher...
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on July 06, 2016, 01:54:10 PM
Width and pace.....I'm going to have to lay down ;D.
Welcome Matty , hope you enjoy a good stay with us despite me not be over impressed last season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on July 06, 2016, 01:55:02 PM
With him and Leko on the wings we could look a lot better next season. Rondon was crying out for good crosses so hopefully Phillips will be able to supply them.

Now we just need a striker or two, left back and maybe a central midfielder.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gerry m on July 06, 2016, 02:31:37 PM
Welcome to the Albion Matt!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on July 06, 2016, 02:45:51 PM
Welcome to the Hawthorns Matt & here's to a great future, Bong Bong
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on July 06, 2016, 02:51:00 PM
Welcome to the Hawthorns Matt & here's to a great future, Bong Bong

have you been on one?? bong that is!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 06, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
I'm glad we've finally got him. Very quick, eye for goal and can cross the ball. By all accounts, he also has a good attitude. For me this was the main position that we were desperately lacking last season. This should be as signing that really gives Rondon the ammo he needs.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on July 06, 2016, 03:51:14 PM
have you been on one?? bong that is!

He's been on 2  ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wardy65 on July 06, 2016, 05:30:45 PM
At last, welcome to the Baggies Matt!

Been made to wait for this one, now give him gametime TP & don't even think about diving Matt!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on July 06, 2016, 05:46:58 PM
Number 10 .......who had that last ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 06, 2016, 05:50:04 PM
QPR fans seem glad to see the back of him. Hopefully just sour grapes. Got to be an improvement on seeing Sess or Gardner out there.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tambag on July 06, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
Number 10 .......who had that last ?

It's not been a good squad number since we have been the Premier League.  Here's hoping he changes that.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TLMS17 on July 06, 2016, 06:02:37 PM
Number 10 .......who had that last ?
Vic had it last season I'm sure?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tambag on July 06, 2016, 06:09:37 PM
The last four:

Victor Anichebe
Yassine El Ghanassy
Ishmael Miller
Andy Johnson

Not much sucess there in the Premier League, fingers crossed on Phillips
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on July 06, 2016, 06:18:30 PM
Vic had it last season I'm sure?
Of course , thats why i forgot :o ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kirk on July 06, 2016, 06:30:51 PM
Good signing much better then what we currently got
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on July 06, 2016, 06:40:14 PM
long time coming but welcome Matt. I hope we don't do this with Leko, I know he needs experience but he was a breath of fresh air last season.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/838631112?-11200:789:0
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 06, 2016, 06:43:31 PM
QPR fans seem glad to see the back of him. Hopefully just sour grapes. Got to be an improvement on seeing Sess or Gardner out there.
Wide range of views on most forums about most players. Think it's a good value signing on the face it - Welcome Matt.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wardy65 on July 06, 2016, 06:48:41 PM
Interesting hearing Bolasie saying Tony Pulis was brilliant for his career at Palace. Knew he'd got ability but Pulis got his fitness to another level & he kicked on from there!
Hopefully do a similar thing with MP.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigCyrille1975 on July 06, 2016, 06:53:07 PM
We have width! ;D

Ricky Lambert is pretty wide  :D
Welcome To The Albion Matty.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on July 06, 2016, 07:03:22 PM
QPR fans seem glad to see the back of him. Hopefully just sour grapes. Got to be an improvement on seeing Sess or Gardner out there.
Take fans opinions with a pinch of salt, I imagine 90% of us will be glad to see the back of Saido, but that doesn't deny he's a good player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on July 06, 2016, 08:56:32 PM
Here's what Matt has to say about his move

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/video-phillips-delighted-to-be-at-albion-3172029.aspx
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Aixelsyd on July 06, 2016, 11:35:02 PM
The last four:

Victor Anichebe
Yassine El Ghanassy
Ishmael Miller
Andy Johnson

the last seven to wear No. 10 in any division...
Victor Anichebe (Prem)
Scott Sinclair (Prem)
Yassine El Ghanassy (Prem)
Ishmael Miller (Prem + Champ)
Craig Beattie (Champ)
John Hartson (Champ)
Andy Johnson (Prem+ Div 1)
Lee Hughes (Div 1)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 07, 2016, 08:18:19 AM
Interesting hearing Bolasie saying Tony Pulis was brilliant for his career at Palace. Knew he'd got ability but Pulis got his fitness to another level & he kicked on from there!
Hopefully do a similar thing with MP.

Hopefully we'll be in for Bolasie as he appears to be up for sale.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mooncat on July 07, 2016, 08:31:38 AM
In the video of him doing his medical, spotted a great motto on the wall of the medical centre/training ground
"It's not about the name on the back of the shirt, it's about the badge on the front"

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on July 07, 2016, 08:47:57 AM
In the video of him doing his medical, spotted a great motto on the wall of the medical centre/training ground
"It's not about the name on the back of the shirt, it's about the badge on the front"
Should tell that to the England squad!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tambag on July 07, 2016, 08:57:26 AM
the last seven to wear No. 10 in any division...
Victor Anichebe (Prem)
Scott Sinclair (Prem)
Yassine El Ghanassy (Prem)
Ishmael Miller (Prem + Champ)
Craig Beattie (Champ)
John Hartson (Champ)
Andy Johnson (Prem+ Div 1)
Lee Hughes (Div 1)

I was looking at the ones to wear the shirt in the Premier League - Sorry I forgot Sinclair !
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Bigrob80 on July 07, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
Welcome Matty!
Hope you fit in well and kick on! Boing Boing!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: mulliganstired on July 09, 2016, 03:35:08 PM
I think the big thing he has going for him is that the ball seems to stick to him, so he can be a fantastic "out".
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on July 09, 2016, 04:02:43 PM
I think the big thing he has going for him is that the ball seems to stick to him, so he can be a fantastic "out".
I agree , i suspect he will be more Jerome Thomas for us than say another Sess in the way of going round players. Looking forward to seeing him now he's signed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2016, 12:00:55 PM
His distribution was woeful yesterday
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bangkokbaggie on July 31, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
His distribution was woeful yesterday

I'm curious why no other club apparently came in for him whilst we were monitoring him for 12 months plus.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sing on our own on July 31, 2016, 02:03:24 PM
I'm curious why no other club apparently came in for him whilst we were monitoring him for 12 months plus.
the obvious answer without sounding like a moaner is he isn't very good.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2016, 02:07:23 PM
so far not impressed thats for sure too bulky for me, looks more like a gym freak than a footballer, a tad like sicknote
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: don1thedon on July 31, 2016, 02:07:40 PM
His distribution was woeful yesterday
Worrying to hear, hopefully just not quite at the races yet. High hopes he fits in well after all the waiting for his signature!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 02:10:48 PM
His distribution was woeful yesterday
Dare I ask what the movement was like of the players around him ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2016, 02:24:11 PM
Dare I ask what the movement was like of the players around him ?

his distibution i said, aimless crosses in abundance, virtually everyone going out of play, early days i know but the team for me look like they have gones backwards and that to say the least is scary
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggiejohn on July 31, 2016, 02:30:14 PM
I agree , i suspect he will be more Jerome Thomas for us than say another Sess in the way of going round players. Looking forward to seeing him now he's signed.

I hope you're right, IMO, JT & Diomansy Kamara were the best two wide players we've had in recent times.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 02:36:42 PM
his distibution i said, aimless crosses in abundance, virtually everyone going out of play, early days i know but the team for me look like they have gones backwards and that to say the least is scary
I was asking because having players available to pass to has been a bit of an issue in recent years and leads to people hitting hopeful balls through not having any options......anyway early days as you say.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on July 31, 2016, 02:37:04 PM
Good to see people still judging on pre season

I thought them days was gone obviously not
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Lloydy on July 31, 2016, 02:38:52 PM
Good to see people still judging on pre season

I thought them days was gone obviously not

May as well close the forum then until August 13th if we are not allowed to discuss pre season any more.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 31, 2016, 02:42:32 PM
Good to see people still judging on pre season

I thought them days was gone obviously not

If you had been there your eyes would have seen for yourself, i mean come on he was up against league 2 full backs not exactly applying much pressure.
You always seem to have issues with what i say ;) cant please all can i, i wonder if your my ex in disguise sometimes
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Big Al on July 31, 2016, 03:00:12 PM
If you had been there your eyes would have seen for yourself, i mean come on he was up against league 2 full backs not exactly applying much pressure.
You always seem to have issues with what i say ;) cant please all can i, i wonder if your my ex in disguise sometimes
Leave me out of it 👀🙈🙊😉
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: saml30 on July 31, 2016, 03:49:22 PM
I still think we needed to keep Sess and also brought Phillips in if we were going to strengthen, for me we are in exactly the same position, if not worse
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba13 on July 31, 2016, 04:26:28 PM
Why do people keep going on about SES he`s gone and as far as I know he`s yet to sign for anyone.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kie the baggie on July 31, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
Why do people keep going on about SES he`s gone and as far as I know he`s yet to sign for anyone.
Did he not sign for Marseille?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: glosterbaggie on July 31, 2016, 05:43:13 PM
Did he not sign for Marseille?
Can't find anything on that mate?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kie the baggie on July 31, 2016, 05:52:19 PM
Can't find anything on that mate?
Thought I read he signed for them
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 31, 2016, 05:57:03 PM
Thought I read he signed for them

He was linked but has not signed, when he joins another club it will be posted in the ex-players thread

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on August 13, 2016, 09:06:17 PM
Good start , bigger than I thought height wise.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 24, 2016, 08:11:02 AM
is he really all that or is he being restricted, cant make me mind up
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Lloydy on August 24, 2016, 08:16:04 AM
I am far from convinced at the moment, does not look like a Premier League winger, but he has to be given time to settle and grow into the team. You can already feel that people are getting frustrated with him though when he puts a poor cross in or fails to beat a man.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kc56wba on August 24, 2016, 09:09:42 AM
I am far from convinced at the moment, does not look like a Premier League winger, but he has to be given time to settle and grow into the team. You can already feel that people are getting frustrated with him though when he puts a poor cross in or fails to beat a man.
Agree Lloydy he needs time to settle in.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on August 24, 2016, 09:12:56 AM
Played 3 games lads , please give him a chance to settle.
We used to laugh at sides who hounded there own players.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on August 24, 2016, 09:14:58 AM
I am far from convinced at the moment, does not look like a Premier League winger, but he has to be given time to settle and grow into the team. You can already feel that people are getting frustrated with him though when he puts a poor cross in or fails to beat a man.

I always liked what I saw of him in the past. However alarm bells starting ringing for me the fact that we've chased him for 18 months and in that time no other club has made a move or shown any interest. I think like all of our wingers under Pulis they are massively restricted in what they are allowed to do. On Saturday he spent more time at RB than he did further up field.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2016, 09:17:21 AM
Thought he looked good against Palace and went past Townsend and Soares like they weren't there at one point in the second half.

Against Everton he looked very subdued, didn't go last night.

Early days yet hopefully we see more Palace like, than Everton like, performances.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: graka on August 24, 2016, 09:17:28 AM
For me he's a slightly better MacLean. Neither should be in a decent premier league team but good to have on the bench.
But I would prefer either out wide in front of gardener.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 09:21:27 AM
For me he's a slightly better MacLean. Neither should be in a decent premier league team but good to have on the bench.
But I would prefer either out wide in front of gardener.

He's about the same standard as McClean. Like you say shouldn't be near the starting XI
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 24, 2016, 03:36:48 PM
Thought he looked a decent prospect at Blackpool, seems very mixed time at QPR, jury very much out for me, not impressed so far but we'll see.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on August 24, 2016, 03:55:12 PM
I think he's a good player. Decent combination of strength and pace with footballing ability. It's obviously hard for him when he's screamed at to sit on top of the full back and has no pace or options to hit when he gets the ball. Good player and I have no fears of our right side with him in front of Dawson. Leko in front of Galloway would also be interesting on the left but Tone prefers Gardner infront of Evans  :o
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 24, 2016, 03:58:24 PM
Hopefully the jury can stay out on him until he's had at least a dozen games to settle in and prove himself.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on August 24, 2016, 04:01:10 PM
People dubbed rondon the next ideye brown last season....

Unbelivable. 3 games.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on August 24, 2016, 04:04:50 PM
People dubbed rondon the next ideye brown last season....

Unbelivable. 3 games.

I'm taking him as I see him, he barely pulled up trees at QPR. We chased this bloke nearly two years.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 24, 2016, 04:33:23 PM
I'm taking him as I see him, he barely pulled up trees at QPR. We chased this bloke nearly two years.
He did have a pretty good goals and assists record in the premier league for QPR.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 24, 2016, 04:34:43 PM
Looked awful against Everton, but I will certainly give him more than the one chance to impress, and would be tempted to wait until we have a new manager before judging.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on August 24, 2016, 04:49:27 PM
Looked awful against Everton, but I will certainly give him more than the one chance to impress, and would be tempted to wait until we have a new manager before judging.
Another one that is playing an alien role. He is a forward thinking player having to prioritise his defensive duties, fish out of water.
Similar to Rondon, in that we won't really know how good he is until Pulis is gone and he is allowed freedom to play to his strengths.
I play golf and see all sorts of weird and wonderful swings (my own included) but, if you tried to change them the results would be catastrophic. Sometimes you have to let people do what comes naturally.
I'm not saying we should have 11 blokes, all doing their own thing, there has to be a plan, but during the game, they should have an element of freedom, rather than being micro managed as they are now.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sing on our own on October 23, 2016, 11:17:55 AM
Yet to see him do anything resembling quality...... Was very underwhelmed when we signed him as he's essentially an average championship player. What are other people's thoughts on Matt 'E' Phillips only he seems to be the invisible man on the pitch and off.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: mikehy on October 23, 2016, 11:22:00 AM
I don't think he is any better than mcmanaman and is another 5 million wasted by pulis
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: frazzle on October 23, 2016, 11:30:51 AM
Yep, extremely underwhelmed to be honest. Not shown anything for me.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on October 23, 2016, 12:11:13 PM
I've yet too see anything I would call quality about him he is a player that will help defend to me and is strong positionally

Dare I say it McManaman has more attacking quality and a better final ball it annoys me he doesn't get a look in
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: elkiellis on October 23, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
basically another defender,stays in position well,mac offers more going forward as did sess
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on October 23, 2016, 12:31:24 PM
I've yet too see anything I would call quality about him he is a player that will help defend to me and is strong positionally

Dare I say it McManaman has more attacking quality and a better final ball it annoys me he doesn't get a look in
Matt Phillips is stronger and taller than him, that's all. This team doesn't need attacking quality. :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on October 23, 2016, 12:39:17 PM
He's been underwhelming in the last 2 games ....until then I thought he was doing quite well.
Comparison with McManaman......for me Phillips final ball is better (he's put in some decent balls to dangerous areas, we are just not very good at getting men in the box and on the end of things).
If McManaman was given regular games, I somehow doubt he'd complete 3 games without getting injured. McManaman on his day is sharp over 20 yards whereas Phillips is more of an up and down the pitch man a bit like McLean....obviously Pulis prefers this.
Phillips needs to show more conviction and determination when he gets the ball than he did yesterday.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on October 23, 2016, 12:42:35 PM
Jury very much out with him.
Seemed like he had fitted in ok but not really showing much quality or ability to change games which has been very disappointing.
Yet to score as well.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: barnestormer on October 23, 2016, 12:50:15 PM
a pale shadow of the player he was at blackpool,has he been found out?gimme leko any time over him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: The Black Pearl on October 23, 2016, 12:58:05 PM
I said a few weeks ago, he was underwhelming, he is sort of okay, but no better, not the same quality as Brunt.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wbako on October 23, 2016, 01:09:10 PM
Leko is the better player, in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Sted1990 on October 23, 2016, 01:49:26 PM
I won't judge any attacking players in our current squad due to the fact that they are given little to no chance to express themselves and are then expected to turn it on after spending the previous 25 minutes chasing a fullback.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 23, 2016, 03:39:19 PM
Seems a bit gash ATM but as others have said rarely get to see if he has nay actual attacking qualities
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bangkokbaggie on October 23, 2016, 04:07:45 PM
I think it is telling that during the 2 years we were monitoring him, no one else came in for him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on October 23, 2016, 06:13:44 PM
People wrote off rondon this time last year. Let's give the new batch of signings time.

Phillips is only 25 as well, still got many years to improve.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on October 23, 2016, 09:15:52 PM
To date  I'm not overly impressed maybe under a more progressive coach he would flourish but right now I'd prefer to see Leko given his place in the starting XI
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on October 23, 2016, 10:59:31 PM
With Phillips the jury is still out for me. He reminds me of McClean last season, albeit for more money. For every bit of quality he can equally look poor, and for every good game he can look bad.
For instance, against Palace, West Ham and Spurs I was impressed. Then against Everton and Liverpool he's looked pretty poor, but then again they do say wingers are inconsistent.

As it stands I will judge him more so at Christmas when he's played a few more games, so far it's been hit and miss.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on October 24, 2016, 10:39:14 AM
Thought I'd revisit this.

I'd still like to know why we chased this bloke so long, and what he's adding to the side. Couldn't beat an egg and delivery is poor. Defensively tracking back doesn't add much and leaves Dawson (also poor) exposed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 24, 2016, 11:43:05 AM
So far he's looked like a less hard working version of James Mcclean. Hopefully he can turn it around but have been very underwhelmed so far.

Would like to see Leko given a couple of starts if there is no improvement in the next 3/4 games.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: GREGMT on October 24, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
All a bit gutting really when you arguably have a more talented player in Mcmanaman sitting on the bench.  The supporters are the ones cheated.  I don't really agree with freezing out players.  The art of management is managing different personalities.  This is what SAF was so good at.  With Pulis this is not an isolated case.

Talented football players win you matches.  I wonder if he's thinking of resigning Dean Whitehead and Glenn Whelan?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on October 24, 2016, 09:35:54 PM
Phillips needs to keep his belief and needs something to break for him. It might have been Delhi Dynamos but interesting that the young lad Smith was on the end of his cross ....he has put in some decent balls in the prem but we don't get people in the box.
He needs to show more determination and confidence than he's shown in the last two games though. Certainly doesn't deserve to become a whipping boy on what we've seen so far and hope he gets that confidence booster soon.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on October 24, 2016, 09:37:35 PM
Cannot say I have seen him do anything out of the ordinary really. Gets mugged easily and there are not too many crosses. I don't get excited about him at all, like I did when Leko started to come on last year. There was an element of unpredictability about Leko and I loved that.........
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on November 06, 2016, 10:05:47 PM
Thought he was immense today. Probably his best performance for us so far. Totally left Morgan in the race before scoring too. Looked as though he enjoyed the goal and ran straight over to the fans
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on November 06, 2016, 10:24:46 PM
Yes he had a very good game and certainly showed the benefit of having several players with a bit of pace in the squad.....Chadli and McLean were out but we could bring Phillips back in and Leko on the bench if needed. There was a pretty good balance about the side today.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on November 07, 2016, 12:09:56 AM
Today was his best performance by a mile both him and the team needed it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on November 07, 2016, 07:31:50 AM
A different player to the one we have been seeing - really good yesterday and rightfully MOTM.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on November 07, 2016, 08:07:21 AM
His best game for us, also the first time we have seen him further up the field.

Good performance, good assist and great finish.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on November 07, 2016, 09:23:19 AM
I think he has 3 assists now, not too bad. Out of interest, how many did Sess get last season?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 07, 2016, 09:27:41 AM
Today was his best performance by a mile both him and the team needed it.


I agree, lets hope its his kickstart
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Morany on November 07, 2016, 10:00:52 AM
I've been his biggest critic, but credit where its due, he was very good yesterday
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on November 07, 2016, 10:10:20 AM
That is the kind of performance we have been waiting for since he arrived, he looks like he has all the attributes needed he just needs to get near to that level consistently.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boinging_along on November 07, 2016, 10:17:59 AM
Interesting to hear Pulis say how it's a belief thing and that he's telling Phillips that he's a good player and has got everything he needs. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on November 07, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
like most wingers you need to keep them in the game by giving them the ball, we fed him constantly yesterday and looked a different player, almost scored within 10 mins but for a good save, supplied the cross for our opener and got the winner. he looked like the player who impressed when at blackpool. lets hope he kicks on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on November 07, 2016, 04:56:15 PM
Interesting to hear Pulis say how it's a belief thing and that he's telling Phillips that he's a good player and has got everything he needs.
I can quite believe TP's comments. By all accounts he is a quiet lad, not brimming in self belief. Probably one of those players who needs an arm round the shoulder and plenty of praise to get the best out of him, which TP seems to have sussed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on November 08, 2016, 07:02:58 PM
Felt that he grew into the game because of his lively start to it which helped his confidence. He was constantly asking for the ball and putting his hand up for it which I've not noticed a lot before, so hopefully he keeps that confidence for the next game
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on November 08, 2016, 07:18:10 PM
I thought he did pretty well against West Ham and Sunderland but then seemed off the pace/ didn't figure much in the Spurs + Liverpool games....obviously totally different style games anyway. He needed something to happen and hopefully he can kick on a bit from this.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DivinePast on November 21, 2016, 09:55:06 PM
Another good performance from Phillips. Has a couple more weeks to prove he should be a clear starter on the team.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: beechyboy90 on November 21, 2016, 11:58:58 PM
Has played himself into abit of form. Looks better coming in off the left
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2016, 12:22:27 AM
Goal and assist to add to the same at Leicester. Already a better output than Sessegnon who he has replaced managed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on November 22, 2016, 06:38:23 AM
Starting to look like the player we hoped we had bought.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 22, 2016, 06:55:13 AM
I wasn't too impressed originally but warming to him now

The cross to Fletcher was wonderfully conjured up out of almost nothing

Wonder if he can teach McLean how to cross effectively?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on November 22, 2016, 07:34:44 AM
Had a really good couple of games and starting to look a real threat, as people have said before, if he believes in his own qualities he could become a better player.

Took his goal really well, I think being dropped against City has had the desired effect on him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on November 22, 2016, 06:12:44 PM
Definitely looking well worth the £5m now
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie96 on November 23, 2016, 12:37:22 AM
Our most productive winger in terms of stats. 2 goals and 3 assists so far. Already beat sessegnons from last season
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 23, 2016, 09:42:45 AM
regan on wm said hes the player that would make way for Grealish :D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 23, 2016, 10:00:46 AM
I wasn't too impressed originally but warming to him now

The cross to Fletcher was wonderfully conjured up out of almost nothing

Wonder if he can teach McLean how to cross effectively?

If he keeps McClean on the bench where he should be then he will be doing his job.

Much improved in the last two games, needs to keep it going.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on November 26, 2016, 08:32:02 PM
2 goals and 3 assists in 3 games.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jimmy on November 27, 2016, 04:10:17 PM
Been decent but suffered from not looking up against Hull.

Got in all the right positions but struggled to find the cross.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DivinePast on December 03, 2016, 05:03:59 PM
Very nice goal from Matty today. Looks to be hitting his stride lately which is nice to see.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2016, 05:05:16 PM
Looks a player and weighs in with key goals and assists, written off far too early by some of our fans, miles better than Sessegnon.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on December 03, 2016, 05:07:22 PM
Looks a player and weighs in with key goals and assists, written off far too early by some of our fans, miles better than Sessegnon.

Absolutely agree, was always going to take time for him to settle in and get used to how we play...now he has we are starting to see some form from him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on December 03, 2016, 05:07:51 PM
Looks a player and weighs in with key goals and assists, written off far too early by some of our fans, miles better than Sessegnon.

Yup. This is basically it. People said him and McClean were hard workers with no end product but that was lovely one-two between them for the winner today.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 03, 2016, 05:08:40 PM
Excellent performance Matty , our only real threat up top today
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on December 03, 2016, 05:25:20 PM
Matty perform well in recent games,  £5m would be a bargain if he can keep it up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on December 03, 2016, 06:01:14 PM
Like to see him more on the ball as he gives defenders problems, this lad can influence games.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on December 03, 2016, 07:00:15 PM
Looks like he is starting to believe in himself more & rightfully so.  ;)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 03, 2016, 09:30:52 PM
Helps to be strong with either foot which he certainly showed today.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on December 04, 2016, 01:09:47 AM
Played well and capped a good display with a fine goal.

Chuffed to bits.

Well done that man.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 04, 2016, 11:29:12 AM
It has been some turnaround for the lad, gone from looking like he'll never influence a game to looking like he'll create or score a goal every time he plays after he was dropped for a game. Fingers crossed he can continue in this run of form for the foreseeable future as he always had the attributes to be a success.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 04, 2016, 11:34:23 AM
Staggering the change in him as he was, in the first five to ten games, pretty awful it has to be said.

Starting to see the player he can be now, he was superb yesterday.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on December 04, 2016, 11:43:06 AM
Certainly a confidence player, who at the moment has very high confidence. Long may it continue. His chance a bit earlier was also impressive and shows he can do it with both feet. I was impressed by his turn of pace as well.Sutton on MoTD was surprised he isn't being called up for the Scotland team.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 04, 2016, 11:43:30 AM
I'll say it again...he was pretty decent against Sunderland and West Ham.

Even before the Burnley game he had created more chances than anyone else in our side (stat used by Sky). Note, that's chances not assists ...assists rely on someone finishing it off.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on December 04, 2016, 11:53:11 AM
I'll say it again...he was pretty decent against Sunderland and West Ham.

Even before the Burnley game he had created more chances than anyone else in our side (stat used by Sky). Note, that's chances not assists ...assists rely on someone finishing it off.

His stats are very impressive for us. Looking at whoscored.com, they've got him rated second according to his statistic, only behind McAuley. Here's Phillips' stats:

13 apps, 3 goals (joint 2nd), 4 assists (1st), 1.7 shots per game (3rd), 1.6 key passes per game (1st), 1.9 dribbles per game (1st), Overall rating 7.12 (2nd).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on December 04, 2016, 11:54:37 AM
Starting to become a class act...... you can see his passion when he scored yesterday. I will admit that I was not his biggest fan at the start, but fair play  - TP saw the player in him and it looks as though he right.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stubba on December 05, 2016, 09:04:18 PM
Is it time for super super Matt super matty Phillips 😳😜😉
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 06, 2016, 09:14:40 AM
I'll say it again...he was pretty decent against Sunderland and West Ham.

Even before the Burnley game he had created more chances than anyone else in our side (stat used by Sky). Note, that's chances not assists ...assists rely on someone finishing it off.

Sunderland I may accept as I was not there, but certainly not West Ham. Got fortunate that a cross he over hit and was going nowhere was handled by that chap for the penalty and his pressing caused a ricochet to fall to Chadli in the box who set Rondon up, but his overall play that game was poor.

The Leicester game certainly brought about a change in him and gave him confidence and he hasn't looked back since. Long may it continue as he is fast becoming one of our most important players.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 06, 2016, 05:40:31 PM
Sunderland I may accept as I was not there, but certainly not West Ham. Got fortunate that a cross he over hit and was going nowhere was handled by that chap for the penalty and his pressing caused a ricochet to fall to Chadli in the box who set Rondon up, but his overall play that game was poor.

The Leicester game certainly brought about a change in him and gave him confidence and he hasn't looked back since. Long may it continue as he is fast becoming one of our most important players.
We'll disagree on the West Ham game ....he skinned the infamous West Ham fullback in the first 10 seconds and got a good low cross in....could say set the tone for a positive 1st half for us. My main point is that in my view his early performances were nowhere near as bad as a few are making out...and that stat re chances created backs this up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on December 07, 2016, 09:23:29 AM
He has set the bar of expectation for us,Pulis and himself now. With flare players it's all about confidence, if you have the confidence to try something 8 times out of 10 it will come off, lack confidence and it might come off 4 times out of 10.
Confidence divides the brilliant from the average.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 07, 2016, 10:55:28 AM
how come he cant get a game for his country, scotland lol
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on December 07, 2016, 11:27:29 AM
how come he cant get a game for his country, scotland lol

Strachan clearly doesn't think he fits into his system.
That or he's scouted him when he isn't playing well.

It doesn't really concern me though.
What would concern me is if Strachan picked him, used him ineffectively and upset Matt's run of form.

I am not Gordon Strachan's greatest supporter.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on December 07, 2016, 12:51:38 PM
how come he cant get a game for his country, scotland lol

That was brought up on MOTD. Strachan is a masturbator anyway,always has been. Never liked him when he managed Coventry and they played the big club taking Hughes off us. How much i laughed to see them evicted from their own ground, go down to the third division and get saddled with Mowbray. Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on December 07, 2016, 01:14:18 PM
Strachan is a masturbator anyway,always has been. Never liked him when he managed Coventry and they played the big club taking Hughes off us.

I cannot stand Strachan. Arrogant, jumped up little tosser. The press conference when Hughes signed for them was truly cringe worthy too, with Strachan's smarmy comment about throwing the extra pound in to trigger the release clause and Hughes giggling away like a bashful school girl.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 07, 2016, 01:15:40 PM
Dislike Strachan also, but always have to admire the time a reporter asked him for a quick word and he replied 'velocity'.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on December 07, 2016, 01:28:36 PM
Dislike Strachan also, but always have to admire the time a reporter asked him for a quick word and he replied 'velocity'.

I have to admit that I laughed out loud when I heard about that  :) .

He has a very quick dry humour which I like, unfortunately he can be a really snotty git with it.

I'd probably warm to him more if he didn't look like he had dog sh it permanently smeared up his nostrils and wobble his head like wee Jimmy Sturgeon when he talks.

Never mind  8) .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on December 11, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
You really have to laugh at the idea of Phillips representing Scotland. He's about as Scots as he is Ukranian. He comes from Aylesbury, close to where I live and started with the local team Wycombe Wanderers. At least Fletcher speaks with a Scots accent.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on December 11, 2016, 03:03:48 PM
Hope games like today don't dent his confidence. Couldn't beat his man and kept trying a nutmeg. Hopefully see him back to his best against Swansea, although will he have to track back more than usual due to having a different left back than usual? Can see Swansea targeting the two full backs
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on December 11, 2016, 08:21:23 PM
Azpilicueta is one of the most accomplished full backs / wide centre backs in the Prem. No harm in Matty having a poor game against him. Was more of a shame that we couldn't make more of the 2 vs 1 on the right
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on December 11, 2016, 08:35:40 PM
You really have to laugh at the idea of Phillips representing Scotland. He's about as Scots as he is Ukranian. He comes from Aylesbury, close to where I live and started with the local team Wycombe Wanderers. At least Fletcher speaks with a Scots accent.

What about Morrison then?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on December 11, 2016, 08:37:08 PM
Hope games like today don't dent his confidence. Couldn't beat his man and kept trying a nutmeg. Hopefully see him back to his best against Swansea, although will he have to track back more than usual due to having a different left back than usual? Can see Swansea targeting the two full backs

Is young Wilson injured?  I'd rather see him at right back and keep Nyom at left back v Swansea
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on December 12, 2016, 12:28:17 AM
Is young Wilson injured?  I'd rather see him at right back and keep Nyom at left back v Swansea

Either way it'll be a new full back, and if I were the opponent that's where I'd be targeting. By focusing on the full back it also means our winger is more occupied with defending rather than attacking
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Powelly on December 12, 2016, 12:00:05 PM
What about Morrison then?

He was born up north at least  :D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 12, 2016, 12:17:08 PM
You really have to laugh at the idea of Phillips representing Scotland. He's about as Scots as he is Ukranian. He comes from Aylesbury, close to where I live and started with the local team Wycombe Wanderers. At least Fletcher speaks with a Scots accent.

That'll be because he's Scottish, born in Dalkeith near Edinburgh.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on December 12, 2016, 06:52:43 PM
That'll be because he's Scottish, born in Dalkeith near Edinburgh.

I think that's the point I'm making!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on December 12, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
He has the same qualification as Morrison i.e Scottish Grand Parents. So he doesn't have to speak like Rab C Nesbitt.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 13, 2016, 07:59:48 AM
I think that's the point I'm making!

Didn't read like that; seemed you were suggesting that Fletcher was born in England but at least speaks with a Scottish accent. My mistake.

Back to your original point though it's only as odd as John Barnes, Raheem Sterling, Terry Butcher and Berahino playing for England as none of them was born in England.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wardy65 on December 13, 2016, 06:58:03 PM
Just set me thinking ... who was the last English qualified player to score for us?
Can't recall one this season  ::)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 13, 2016, 07:00:41 PM
probably Dawson
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on December 13, 2016, 07:01:23 PM
Just set me thinking ... who was the last English qualified player to score for us?
Can't recall one this season  ::)

Dawson or Berahino last season
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on December 13, 2016, 07:43:35 PM
Just set me thinking ... who was the last English qualified player to score for us?
Can't recall one this season  ::)


Craig Dawson v's Spurs April 26th 2016.

The last English qualified player to score before him was Craig Gardner v's Leicester on March 1st 2016.

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/west-brom-albion/2015-16/top-scorers.html (http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/west-brom-albion/2015-16/top-scorers.html)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jimmy on December 13, 2016, 07:59:36 PM
Could work on his crossing but I am glad he is in the team/squad.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on January 01, 2017, 11:20:16 AM
Must admit I couldn't really understand why we were pursuing Matt Phillips so strongly but I'm delighted that he is proving to be well worth the pursuit!   A top signing and I guess all credit to our scouting team although we seemed to have chased him for so long that I'm not sure which scouting team deserves the credit!

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2017, 11:28:01 AM
Must admit I couldn't really understand why we were pursuing Matt Phillips so strongly but I'm delighted that he is proving to be well worth the pursuit!   A top signing and I guess all credit to our scouting team although we seemed to have chased him for so long that I'm not sure which scouting team deserves the credit!
Pulis driven I believe .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 01, 2017, 11:28:52 AM
A touch of Berahino on a good day, about a couple of Phillips finishes of late.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 01, 2017, 11:35:54 AM
4 goals and 6 assists for him so far this season. Very good return and turned out to be a great signing
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Foster#1 on January 01, 2017, 12:08:41 PM
Shows shy fans shouldn't judge till after 12 months
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 01, 2017, 12:46:16 PM
Shows shy fans shouldn't judge till after 12 months

What about confident fans?  ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on January 01, 2017, 08:20:44 PM
The quality of his finishing has pleasantly surprised me of late...I knew he could deliver a good cross/deadball but really cool when presented with a chance
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 01, 2017, 08:35:06 PM
He's been acknowledging Gerry Francis and Ben Garner for the extra stuff they do with him in training....both on the psychology front and technical stuff. TP wouldn't employ Francis if he was useless but still good to hear some actual praise for what he does.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2017, 08:58:24 PM
He's been acknowledging Gerry Francis and Ben Garner for the extra stuff they do with him in training....both on the psychology front and technical stuff. TP wouldn't employ Francis if he was useless but still good to hear some actual praise for what he does.
Honestly forgot Francis was still with us, I thought he had packed up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 01, 2017, 09:37:29 PM
Honestly forgot Francis was still with us, I thought he had packed up.
Seems to be up in the stands for the games giving a different perspective no doubt.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 02, 2017, 05:01:24 PM
2 more assists. Good game again. Is that 7 assists for the season? He's only 35 behind brunty but at this rate it wouldn't take long to overhaul.

What a signing he has proven to be. Offers so much more than sessengnon ever did
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: mateinone on January 02, 2017, 05:40:27 PM
Not going to rewrite history and suggests I was jumping with joy when we signed him, but fair play to him, after a slow start he has been brilliant.

Would have to have very serious claims to being the recruit of the season (behind Zlatan and ...?)

Fantastic signing by Pulis
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2017, 05:45:28 PM
Not going to rewrite history and suggests I was jumping with joy when we signed him, but fair play to him, after a slow start he has been brilliant.

Would have to have very serious claims to being the recruit of the season (behind Zlatan and ...?)

Fantastic signing by Pulis
opposite for me, championed his signing throughout the process, seen enough of him at Blackpool and Qpr to suggest he would improve us.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2017, 05:47:54 PM
He's the best winger we've had in the premier, actually has an end product unlike virtually every other winger we've had, but he's also very skillful, technically talented, and puts in a great shift too.

Absolute bargain in this day and age.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 06:57:09 PM
Beat his man on a number of occasions today, and does quite often overall. But importantly has an end product to his game. That's now 8 assists and 4 goals for him this season. He's averaging nearly 2 shots per game too.

Also tracks back and works hard for the team, can see by how tired he is towards the end of games that he really puts a shift in and does the defensive work too. His set piece deliveries are also real quality, as shown today, really gets good pace on the ball and often finds his man.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 02, 2017, 08:07:32 PM
Matty player of the year so far does a little of everything.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 02, 2017, 08:25:40 PM
Matty player of the year so far does a little of everything.

Between him and Yacob for me
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2017, 08:31:44 PM
Between him and Yacob for me

Yacob for me so far he has been Mr Consistent all season.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2017, 10:58:47 PM
only kevin de Bruyne has better stats in goals and assists than Phillips so far this season in the prem. not a bad player to be second best to for £5.5m.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Legend on January 03, 2017, 07:22:04 PM
He's been a brilliant signing for us. Sess who?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KingKoren on January 03, 2017, 07:58:55 PM
Any player taking corners regularly for us is going to get a several extra assists to their name.

After a pretty slow start to his career he has really taken off. Amazing what a bit of confidence can do to a player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 03, 2017, 10:35:14 PM
Any player taking corners regularly for us is going to get a several extra assists to their name.

After a pretty slow start to his career he has really taken off. Amazing what a bit of confidence can do to a player.

To be fair he still has to put a decent ball in the box. Good enough to score from in fact. Which he does, very often and very well. It shouldn't be underestimated. There are a lot of corner takers in this league that haven't got nearly has many assists as Phillips. Ozil, Gradel, Willian, Fabregas, Petrol, Hazard, Puncheon, Miralles, Baines, Snodgrass, Milner, Silva, Rooney, Downing, Ward-prowse, Allen, Shaqiri, Ericsson, Lamela all take corners for their teams and aren't in the top 10 assists for the prem. Phillips is 2nd currently, and I think he has a lot more to his game too than just the corners. I good number of his assists are from open play too
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on January 04, 2017, 06:41:06 AM
The fact that some of Phillips' assists come from corners doesn't detract from the stat. Phillip's plays for a team that doesn't have a lot of possession does not attack in numbers in open play therefore where do you think the goals are going to come from other than set pieces ? Equally if you don't have a bunch of six footers to aim at then you are probably not going to get as many assists from corners the quality of the ball might be the same but the outcome will be different.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on January 04, 2017, 09:18:54 AM
The fact that some of Phillips' assists come from corners doesn't detract from the stat. Phillip's plays for a team that doesn't have a lot of possession does not attack in numbers in open play therefore where do you think the goals are going to come from other than set pieces ? Equally if you don't have a bunch of six footers to aim at then you are probably not going to get as many assists from corners the quality of the ball might be the same but the outcome will be different.

Spot on.  Another reason why Berahino just isn't a good fit.  Useless in the air for a striker.  Top quality crosses would be completely wasted on him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 04, 2017, 01:41:06 PM
The fact that some of Phillips' assists come from corners doesn't detract from the stat. Phillip's plays for a team that doesn't have a lot of possession does not attack in numbers in open play therefore where do you think the goals are going to come from other than set pieces ? Equally if you don't have a bunch of six footers to aim at then you are probably not going to get as many assists from corners the quality of the ball might be the same but the outcome will be different.

16 of our 28 goals have come from open play, the other 12 are a mix of freekicks, corners and 1 penalty.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 04, 2017, 01:50:02 PM
The fact that some of Phillips' assists come from corners doesn't detract from the stat. Phillip's plays for a team that doesn't have a lot of possession does not attack in numbers in open play therefore where do you think the goals are going to come from other than set pieces ? Equally if you don't have a bunch of six footers to aim at then you are probably not going to get as many assists from corners the quality of the ball might be the same but the outcome will be different.

Oh I'm not saying it does, not at all. Quite the opposite in fact. I was trying (and obviously failing!) to say that there was more to his game than just corners, and that even if we did score from a lot of corners it doesnt automatically give our corner takers record assists. They still have to put a decent delivery in.

Anyway just went back through the assists and only 3 of Phillps' 8 have actually come from corners anyway. Which does show his value to us and that he's not just limited to that type of assist. Saying that all except for 2 were still crosses. Anyway who cares, he's probably our best value signing for a while and has got some great stats this season.

Interestingly as an aside when I was looking up his assist record, a story came up from 2015 when he was at qpr saying that at one point in 2015, only Lionel Messi had more assists in the top leagues in Europe than him. So its not just this season either.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KingKoren on January 04, 2017, 01:54:29 PM
The fact that some of Phillips' assists come from corners doesn't detract from the stat. Phillip's plays for a team that doesn't have a lot of possession does not attack in numbers in open play therefore where do you think the goals are going to come from other than set pieces ? Equally if you don't have a bunch of six footers to aim at then you are probably not going to get as many assists from corners the quality of the ball might be the same but the outcome will be different.

I think he's had a great season but it definitely does detract from the stat.

It's not just height, it's the dedication in training to set pieces and the intelligence of the players we have attacking the ball.

Put Craig Dawson on free kicks and corners he'd have several assists to his name.

Also if there is a player who has scored lots of goals and has a lot of assists - it it more or less impressive if they don't take the penalties and set pieces? Come on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stokelad84 on January 04, 2017, 01:56:20 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/09/cristiano-ronaldo-leo-messi-qpr-matt-phillips-assists

Here is that story TheBrom
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 04, 2017, 01:59:11 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/09/cristiano-ronaldo-leo-messi-qpr-matt-phillips-assists

Here is that story TheBrom

Thanks! Really highlights the quality of this signing for us. Finally got a winger who has an end product and a history of doing it
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on January 04, 2017, 02:06:50 PM
16 of our 28 goals have come from open play, the other 12 are a mix of freekicks, corners and 1 penalty.

Was just going to post the same thing up. People think we are a set piece team when the reality is much different

We have a few strings to our bow this year
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KingKoren on January 04, 2017, 02:22:00 PM
Was just going to post the same thing up. People think we are a set piece team when the reality is much different

We have a few strings to our bow this year

There's only a few teams with a higher percentage of total goals from set pieces in the premiership, it's our greatest strength, however we do have other strengths.

The vast majority of stats indicate what a fantastic season we are having and how much we have improved this season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 04, 2017, 03:32:24 PM
Was just going to post the same thing up. People think we are a set piece team when the reality is much different

We have a few strings to our bow this year

Exactly, as I said I think only 3 of Phillps' assists have actually been from corners
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KingKoren on January 04, 2017, 03:51:08 PM
Exactly, as I said I think only 3 of Phillps' assists have actually been from corners

One against Swanasea was a free kick too.

So half of his assists were set plays.

One for HRK I don't think he deserves all that much credit considering the strike required to score and one against Leicester took a big deflection.

He's having a very good season but let's not get carried away.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2017, 05:52:25 PM
One against Swanasea was a free kick too.

So half of his assists were set plays.

One for HRK I don't think he deserves all that much credit considering the strike required to score and one against Leicester took a big deflection.

He's having a very good season but let's not get carried away.

He's certainly no Graham Dorrans   :-X
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on January 04, 2017, 06:09:36 PM
He's certainly no Graham Dorrans   :-X

I think he's just trying to add some balance and perspective to the debate.

Corners shouldn't really count towards assists for Brunty in the eyes of some either  :) .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 04, 2017, 06:29:14 PM
One against Swanasea was a free kick too.

So half of his assists were set plays.

One for HRK I don't think he deserves all that much credit considering the strike required to score and one against Leicester took a big deflection.

He's having a very good season but let's not get carried away.

We were talking about corners so I emitted that one  :P. Funny the 3 corners were all against hull.

I don't think anyone's gettint carried away. He fully deserves the praise he's getting. 8 assists and 4 goals is a great return for us. That's a direct influence in a goal in over half of the games we've played this season on average
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba13 on January 04, 2017, 07:05:11 PM
Credit where credit`s due KingKoren If it hadn`t been for Phillips brilliant though ball Kanu would not have been in any position to score.If SILVA or Ozil had put that pass through Math of the Day pundits would have been purring
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 04, 2017, 07:48:26 PM
Haven't read all the above but re corners.... We are a team with low possession stats which must reduce the number of corners we get in some way. We usually make good use of our corners which is partly down to the coaching staff, partly that we have some good targets to aim for and partly down to quality deliveries from Brunt and Phillips. There's no point taking corners out of the assists equation as they count as they do for similar players at other clubs.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KingKoren on January 05, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
Haven't read all the above but re corners.... We are a team with low possession stats which must reduce the number of corners we get in some way. We usually make good use of our corners which is partly down to the coaching staff, partly that we have some good targets to aim for and partly down to quality deliveries from Brunt and Phillips. There's no point taking corners out of the assists equation as they count as they do for similar players at other clubs.

Be interesting to see total corners/goals scored from corners. Really easy to do but I can't be bothered  :P

I'm not taking them out of the equation entirely, I'm trying to ascertain his overall level of performance appropriately. The fact he has a healthy numbers of assists and goals can be distracting from the overall analysis.

If two strikers score 10 goals, but one's comprised of 5 pens and the other had none, you'd be more impressed with the guy who scored none surely?

As a point of comparison Wilfried Zaha has 6 assists and none were from set pieces.

I'd confidently say he has been our best player so far this season. The argument seems to be everyone wants to give him an A* whereas I want to give him an A. I guess I just believe he still has more to offer. I seem to have more faith in him than most here. Call yourself fans? :P
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba13 on January 05, 2017, 04:53:42 PM
I agree he probably has more to offer but what an upgrade on Sess
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 05, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
If he carries on as he is now for the next 5 years, I think we'd settle for that...I certainly would. The only thing he's not doing is creating a huge amount against the bigger teams....but he has extra defensive duties in those games.
I'm sure any supporter of clubs where Zaha, Bolasie, Lennon etc. etc. etc. play will always say they could give more, it goes with the territory of being a winger really.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 05, 2017, 06:57:54 PM
Be interesting to see total corners/goals scored from corners. Really easy to do but I can't be bothered  :P

I'm not taking them out of the equation entirely, I'm trying to ascertain his overall level of performance appropriately. The fact he has a healthy numbers of assists and goals can be distracting from the overall analysis.

If two strikers score 10 goals, but one's comprised of 5 pens and the other had none, you'd be more impressed with the guy who scored none surely?

As a point of comparison Wilfried Zaha has 6 assists and none were from set pieces.

I'd confidently say he has been our best player so far this season. The argument seems to be everyone wants to give him an A* whereas I want to give him an A. I guess I just believe he still has more to offer. I seem to have more faith in him than most here. Call yourself fans? :P

OK I'll try here we go... Should be accurate.

We've had 81 corners so far in 20 games and I make it that we've scored from 6 of them:

Palace 6 (Gardner 3, McClean 3)
Everton 7 - (Gardner 3 - 1 assist, McClean 2, Leko 1)
Middlesbrough 5 - (Phillips 4, McClean 1)
Bournemouth 5 - (Field 3, Phillips 2)
West Ham 2 - (Phillips 2)
Stoke 6 - (Phillips 3, Leko 2 - 1 assist, McClean 1)
Sunderland 5 - (McClean 2, Phillips 1, Gardner 1, Fletcher 1)
Tottenham 5 - (Brunt 3, Phillips 2)
Liverpool 2 - (Brunt 2)
Man C 1 - (Chadli 1)
Leicester 6 - (Phillips 2, Brunt 2, Morrison 2)
Burnley 4 - (Brunt 2, Gardner 2)
Hull 6 - (Brunt 3, Phillips 2 - 1 assist, Chadli 1)
Watford 3 - (Phillips 2, Brunt 1 - 1 assist)
Chelsea 1 - (Brunt 1)
Swansea 0
Man utd 2 - (Brunt 2)
Arsenal 5 - (Phillips 3, Brunt 2)
Southampton 3 - (Brunt 2, Phillips 1)
Hull 7 - (Phillips 4 - 2 assists, Brunt 3)

Of those games, Phillips has taken 28, we've scored from 3.

Other takers have been:

Brunt 23 (scored from 1)
McClean 9
Gardner 9 (scored from 1)
Leko 4 (scored from 1)
Field 3
Chadli 2
Morrison 2
Fletcher 1

Some other observations from looking these up. We started the season using Gardner and McClean for corners, Gardner over Phillips when they were both on the pitch.

Phillips didn't take a corner for the first 2 games, then took over Gardner. Gardner has only taken 3 corners since the second game.

McClean hasn't taken a corner since the Sunderland game. Only Phillips and Brunt have taken corners for us since the first Hull game.

We've scored 5 of our 6 goals from corners taken by a right footed player.

How sad am I!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggiebof on January 07, 2017, 08:22:31 PM
Haven't seen us live since Leicester away but was ever so impressed with Phillips today; he plays with real purpose and is a terrific crosser of the ball.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mikkyk on January 07, 2017, 08:57:35 PM
Haven't seen us live since Leicester away but was ever so impressed with Phillips today; he plays with real purpose and is a terrific crosser of the ball.

He's been impressive ever since then really. He's often had quiet first halves in the premier and then looked more and more dangerous as the game goes on.

Scary to think where we'd be without him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: swad35 on January 20, 2017, 02:58:47 AM
I thought this was an interesting read about Matt

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4136744/Tony-Pulis-gives-attacking-freedom-says-Matt-Phillips.html
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: barnestormer on January 20, 2017, 11:49:58 PM
great read that and glad to have him at Albion.can now see why pulis pursued him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 21, 2017, 01:05:17 AM
I thought this was an interesting read about Matt

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4136744/Tony-Pulis-gives-attacking-freedom-says-Matt-Phillips.html

Thought that too yesterday
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on January 21, 2017, 06:39:05 PM
he was excellent again today, threat all game.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on January 21, 2017, 07:18:29 PM
He's been an amazing signing.  Many of us have been proved very wrong!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: stubba on January 21, 2017, 08:31:22 PM
Most important player when he performs so do we
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on January 21, 2017, 09:42:33 PM
Sensational yet again, crazy to think how he was playing in the Championship with very few admirers in this league. Although heis style is different, he's like this seasons Antonio at West Ham in terms of such a suprising impact - who similarly we nearly got last year!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: barnestormer on January 22, 2017, 12:11:03 AM
i can now see why pulis persued him relentlessly.and yep hes a confidence player for sure and has been magnificent of late
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on January 22, 2017, 12:13:29 AM
An absolute revelation for us

5m was a steal, QPR must be kicking themselves

Now we can see why Pulis chased him for so long

Ive been impressed with his consistency

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: frazzle on January 22, 2017, 12:16:41 AM
5 or so games in and I thought we'd signed a duffer but since he was dropped he's been astonishingly good.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DivinePast on January 22, 2017, 01:09:47 AM
One of the best players on the club right now. Hopefully we can keep him for a while but if he keeps a good form up no doubt some top 6 team in England will start looking into him next year.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on January 22, 2017, 07:26:06 AM
One of the best players on the club right now. Hopefully we can keep him for a while but if he keeps a good form up no doubt some top 6 team in England will start looking into him next year.

Sorry I think you've just had a Garth Crooks moment he has played for Scotland and bizarrely can't get into the squad.

In general I'm absolutely amazed at his form right now. We got him for £5m because this was absolutely not the way he was playing at QPR certainly in the last season there and only very occasionally before that. Fingers crossed this carries on. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Sessegod on January 22, 2017, 08:08:22 AM
Sorry I think you've just had a Garth Crooks moment he has played for Scotland and bizarrely can't get into the squad.

In general I'm absolutely amazed at his form right now. We got him for £5m because this was absolutely not the way he was playing at QPR certainly in the last season there and only very occasionally before that. Fingers crossed this carries on.

He didnt say anything about the getting into the England team, he said a top 6 team in England.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 22, 2017, 12:01:52 PM
Since November he has been superb. A pleasure to watch him play.

Started slowly but has really found his feet.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 22, 2017, 01:04:25 PM
...and it's good to hear him talking about the need for consistency in one of the articles linked above. He's got all the attributes you could want really, and if he was some unknown winger we'd plucked from France there may already be one or two bigger clubs circling.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Nocky on January 22, 2017, 07:27:25 PM
Player of the season so far. Quick, powerful, hard working, two good feet and most importantly an end product. His delivery from out wide and from set plays is top class. Every time he gets the ball at this feet you feel like something could happen. Superb signing, especially for £5m. He deserves a decent song!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on January 22, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
So good since that Leicester game. That match and performance seemed to give him the confidence at this level and he's rarely looked back since.

Seems to have so many assets to his game and has added goals as well - I wonder want his 'current' value would be in this crazy market ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 22, 2017, 08:33:52 PM
Such a good player now his confidence is up. Always looking (and mostly successfully) to beat his man and power past. Has an end product too. Think Matty is my favourite player and a huge part of our good form
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TLMS17 on January 24, 2017, 07:50:56 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4136744/Tony-Pulis-gives-attacking-freedom-says-Matt-Phillips.html

Nice little article on Philips there. Been a great signing up to now, hope it continues for him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on January 24, 2017, 09:01:30 PM
Can't fault the lad, started slowly but shown what we can get with a bit of patience
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Pie on February 06, 2017, 03:57:29 PM
One thing that I have noticed over the last few games is his incredible ability to receive a long ball, against a bigger defender, on his chest then turn and run. Such a hard thing to do and really helps us turn defence into attack.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on February 06, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
One of the best players on the club right now. Hopefully we can keep him for a while but if he keeps a good form up no doubt some top 6 team in England will start looking into him next year.

Thats the trouble with this club, as soon as we get players who start playing well, some of our fans start making them available to other clubs.
Don't see many other clubs fans saying their top players will be off if they keep this form up.

Do you leave early? :P
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on February 06, 2017, 05:57:54 PM
One thing that I have noticed over the last few games is his incredible ability to receive a long ball, against a bigger defender, on his chest then turn and run. Such a hard thing to do and really helps us turn defence into attack.

Agree, noticed a few times against Stoke. Helps us massively especially if Rondon is being marked out of the game or having one of those days where everything bounces off him. Can see why Pulis wants good athletes, Phillips is up and down the entire match and still has the energy to be our out ball or attack spearhead - always seems available out wide.

Think he's become a fan favourite and that's helped his confidence massively. There's an excitement around the ground when he gets the ball, and he always seems to have the confidence to take his man on. Hoping TP can help to mould Leko into a similar player for the future, he could certainly learn a lot from Phillips who is playing the wide man role excellently
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: DivinePast on March 04, 2017, 04:57:38 PM
It's clear we really miss him out there. Hopefully he's fit for Everton.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on March 04, 2017, 06:01:12 PM
It's clear we really miss him out there. Hopefully he's fit for Everton.

Definitely. Struggled for width the whole game today and none of our other wide men could beat their man
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on March 04, 2017, 09:01:04 PM
He might have been rubbish today as well but I agree he was missed today. He's an important player for us now in switching defence into attack. Hope he's fit soon.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba13 on March 04, 2017, 10:05:31 PM
Big player for us gives us the width we need
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 05, 2017, 01:06:24 AM
He might have been rubbish today as well but I agree he was missed today. He's an important player for us now in switching defence into attack. Hope he's fit soon.

He carries the ball better and further than anybody else in the team. It has been missed the last 2 games. One of the first names on the team sheet for me
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on March 05, 2017, 11:17:18 AM
He carries the ball better and further than anybody else in the team. It has been missed the last 2 games. One of the first names on the team sheet for me

Yep, totally agree.  Unfortunately it's another position where we have no form of adequate cover.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on March 05, 2017, 03:50:21 PM
Is there any news on his injury? Hope it's not another Morrison/Evans type one where it doesn't seem major but he ends up being out for months
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jimmy on March 05, 2017, 04:25:36 PM
Saw him with big dave in the reception foyer bit and he didnt have crutches.

Thats a good sign right? ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie53 on March 05, 2017, 07:28:39 PM
According to the Pulis post match interview he should be fit for Everton
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on March 11, 2017, 03:58:53 PM
Was worried this would be an injury that drags on. Any news of when he's going to be fit again?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on March 11, 2017, 04:26:47 PM
He has clearly been the driving force of our counter-attacking style and we desperately need him back, opens the game up for others. McClean can break with the same pace but has nowhere near the same quality.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WoysWunderful on March 11, 2017, 06:15:02 PM
Boy do we miss him. Mclean doesnt quite have the quality he does but i still think hes a good player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on August 24, 2017, 12:58:43 PM
one to watch according to the Premier league website.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/459212
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Sted1990 on September 11, 2017, 09:45:13 PM
Must perform better, we've seen how good he can be and he isn't even playing at half of that currently. Cmon Matty get back to your best else I say we give Burke a run on the Right.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on September 12, 2017, 07:02:41 PM
There may be an element this year of teams looking at us and assessing where the danger is going to come from. Phillips was our biggest threat from open play last season and could get closer attention as a result...he certainly didn't get much room against Stoke.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: vrabbit on September 12, 2017, 07:04:19 PM
There may be an element this year of teams looking at us and assessing where the danger is going to come from. Phillips was our biggest threat from open play last season and could get closer attention as a result...he certainly didn't get much room against Stoke.

agreed, I thought Brighton did a good job of defending him as well.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: rajesh-wba on September 12, 2017, 08:02:07 PM
It took him awhile to get going last season. Really came to the fore from Leicester Away onwards
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on September 13, 2017, 04:50:50 PM
It took him awhile to get going last season. Really came to the fore from Leicester Away onwards

He's very much a confidence player by the looks of it. Just needs a run or two to come off and a goal or assist soon
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: vrabbit on September 13, 2017, 05:08:39 PM
He's very much a confidence player by the looks of it. Just needs a run or two to come off and a goal or assist soon

not playing a central attacking midfielder (or something close to it) has an affect as well as he doesn't have someone to link with on his left. Least TP can is play Nyom on his flank who can offer something going forward instead of Dawson.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on September 13, 2017, 11:44:37 PM
His best spell was when he was playing on the left which gave him the opportunity to cut inside and get much more involved in the game. Playing him in the right in the current set up just reduces him to an average Pulis style worker drone.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on November 11, 2017, 12:39:06 PM
So there's talk of Scotland playing him up front and some talk of him possibly doing the same for us.

If we are playing the 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2) formation, I think he'd be a good choice as one of the two front men, with Rondon or Rodriguez as the more central striker. Let Phillips drift about - he's as dangerous as anyone we've got shooting with either foot from the edge of the box.
This same role could well suit Burke and it may well be being looked at.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigFrank20 on November 11, 2017, 02:29:12 PM
So there's talk of Scotland playing him up front and some talk of him possibly doing the same for us.
Better be careful then some of those Samoans are pretty big beasts on the hoof  :P
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on November 11, 2017, 04:10:17 PM
Better be careful then some of those Samoans are pretty big beasts on the hoof  :P
Ha - that would test his hamstrings out keeping away from them.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on November 29, 2017, 10:24:34 AM
Any news on his injury?!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on November 29, 2017, 11:14:42 AM
Any news on his injury?!

Nothing on the Physio Room as yet.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c22

In other news Dawson is currently expected to return for the Stoke game on December 23rd.

Meanwhile Morrison and Chadli appear set for Boxing Day but Chris Brunt hasn't been given a return date.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 23, 2017, 06:05:19 PM
Think some questions arise from his injury. Firstly it happened in a Tuesday night game 3 days after a high work rate game against Spurs at Wembley. Given his known hamstring trouble, keeping him to one game a week in future may be advisable.
Have to wonder why he was kept on the pitch after it happened - I know all subs had been made but it's not worth keeping a player with known hamstring history on the pitch after it's gone again.
He is an important player and will probably take 3 or 4 games to get back to his best once back.
 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on December 23, 2017, 06:09:50 PM
Think some questions arise from his injury. Firstly it happened in a Tuesday night game 3 days after a high work rate game against Spurs at Wembley. Given his known hamstring trouble, keeping him to one game a week in future may be advisable.
Have to wonder why he was kept on the pitch after it happened - I know all subs had been made but it's not worth keeping a player with known hamstring history on the pitch after it's gone again.
He is an important player and will probably take 3 or 4 games to get back to his best once back.

I was at the game and he clearly asked Megson to come off as he could barely walk, to which Megson was shouting back at him to stay on. There was a bit of arm waving from both.

Not sure if Megson was trying to make a point or if he genuinely thought it would help us for the last 10 mins of the game.

Either way we seriously miss him when he's not playing, or not performing. He was clearly the difference around this time last year.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 23, 2017, 06:20:40 PM
I was at the game and he clearly asked Megson to come off as he could barely walk, to which Megson was shouting back at him to stay on. There was a bit of arm waving from both.

Not sure if Megson was trying to make a point or if he genuinely thought it would help us for the last 10 mins of the game.

Either way we seriously miss him when he's not playing, or not performing. He was clearly the difference around this time last year.
Thanks - yeah sounds like short term motives have cost us in the long run....should be a medical decision not a Megson call.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on December 23, 2017, 07:44:17 PM
Thanks - yeah sounds like short term motives have cost us in the long run....should be a medical decision not a Megson call.

Yeah although we'll never know, it screamed to me as Megson making a point about players fighting for the team
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: frazzle on December 23, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
No point having players who are rarely fit. We need a replacement.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 23, 2017, 09:05:35 PM
No point having players who are rarely fit. We need a replacement.
If he can contribute properly for 25 games a season then that's the same as a lot of other players in this division. Any less than that and it should be a factor when it comes to renewing contracts...Morrison's age and injury issues should have meant we let him go.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 05, 2018, 05:39:44 PM
Once again I'm baffled by our handling of Phillips.
After his injury lay-off with the hamstring after playing 2 games in 4 days pre Christmas (won't mention Megson forcing him to stay on  :-X)..... he has now been picked to start 3 games in 7 days and injures his hamstring in the warmup for the 3rd of these.

I really thought the common sense thing to do with him was leave him out of the Arsenal game and save him for West Ham. I know we need to get something out of every game if poss but that's no reason to put your better players at risk.
It's a fact that soft tissue injuries are up over Christmas with the busy schedule so I wonder what we are playing at given the lay-offs Phillips has had in the past year.

I only hope it was a case of Phillips feeling his hamstring tight and being withdrawn as a precaution and not more serious damage.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 05, 2018, 10:07:20 PM
Again we're left questioning our medical team. Seem to really be struggling to keep our guys fit recently.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smosher34 on January 06, 2018, 08:33:46 AM
Keep him for next week wouldnt even be on the bench today for me .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on January 06, 2018, 09:18:15 AM
Again we're left questioning our medical team. Seem to really be struggling to keep our guys fit recently.

It is the same medical team that kept the squad fitter than most last season. It is just variance and once you get a series of injuries there is a much greater chance of a recurrence. I would suggest that Phillips should not be played twice a week.

Keeping him fit and playing him on the left could be the difference between staying up and going down.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on January 06, 2018, 09:49:18 AM
It is the same medical team that kept the squad fitter than most last season. It is just variance and once you get a series of injuries there is a much greater chance of a recurrence. I would suggest that Phillips should not be played twice a week.

Keeping him fit and playing him on the left could be the difference between staying up and going down.

Phillips on the left cutting in and shooting...yes please. I read that Pardew has often had wingers cutting but we haven't seen it really here. Phillips left, Brunt right? Burke, McClean and Leko in waiting. Even J Rod and HRK can play wings but they've both looked woeful at it.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on January 06, 2018, 10:23:35 AM
Phillips on the left cutting in and shooting...yes please. I read that Pardew has often had wingers cutting but we haven't seen it really here. Phillips left, Brunt right? Burke, McClean and Leko in waiting. Even J Rod and HRK can play wings but they've both looked woeful at it.

I think we've played various players out wide but I don't think we have inverted them i.e playing a right footer (Phillips Burke or Jay Rod) on the left and a left footer  (Brunt HRK  McClean) on the right.

Personally I'd go with Brunt right Phillps left. The right side is the problem Robson-Kanu is relatively okay but not brilliant but McClean is such a poor decision maker that playing him in that role would be like playing with 10 men.

The other issue is that with the system relies on the full backs to give width again the left is fine as long as Gibbs is fit but the Right Dawson/Nyom isn't what we really need. However the advantages of getting the wide players in support of the central striker and getting goals from them is likely to outweigh the limitations that we would have on one of the wings. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 06, 2018, 11:18:57 AM
It is the same medical team that kept the squad fitter than most last season. It is just variance and once you get a series of injuries there is a much greater chance of a recurrence. I would suggest that Phillips should not be played twice a week.

Keeping him fit and playing him on the left could be the difference between staying up and going down.

Aren't our medical team famous for dealing with players that get loads of injuries? Looks as though they've been just as guilty this season of rushing players back as they were last season at keeping the squad fitter.

Could also have been Pulis' training methods that kept them fitter last season as well?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 06, 2018, 01:02:46 PM
That didn't apply to Phillips though as he was out for a couple of months last year of course.

I agree that Phillips should be kept to playing one game a week given his hamstrings. Can't see the logic at all in having him in the starting line up for 3 games very close together.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 06, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
That didn't apply to Phillips though as he was out for a couple of months last year of course.

I agree that Phillips should be kept to playing one game a week given his hamstrings. Can't see the logic at all in having him in the starting line up for 3 games very close together.

Yes you'd have thought the fitness guys would be recommending this to the coaches.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 06, 2018, 01:10:25 PM
Could also have been Pulis' training methods that kept them fitter last season as well?
Eh? Weren't we using his training methods this season whilst he was still here then?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on January 06, 2018, 02:25:41 PM
Eh? Weren't we using his training methods this season whilst he was still here then?

Yes and Phillips played in every game bar one until the Palace game in December.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tlms-p23 on February 03, 2018, 05:00:43 PM
Hugely disappointed with Phillips. Aside from 4 months between October '16 - February '17 he's been a passenger and nothing more. On paper he's got all the tools to be a useful Prem player but it just doesn't translate into any sort of consistency.

Confidence seems to be a serious problem with him and though his physical attributes mean he should be an outlet for us, in practice he drifts up and down the flank rather than offering the pace, drive, power and momentum in transition that we so desperately need. We're reliant on a player who isn't delivering the goods. A sad indictment on the state of our squad.

I for one have no confidence in him, he was absolutely dreadful today. He's been relegated with Blackpool, relegated with QPR and he'll likely complete the hat-trick in May.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boot2006 on February 03, 2018, 05:05:42 PM
Has so much potential but attitude will always hold him back.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: frazzle on February 03, 2018, 05:06:20 PM
Dreadful today and you could see his confidence is shot. Its a shame because he's all we really have in terms of pace. Hopefully he will turn it round. Its too late for this season though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on February 03, 2018, 05:09:10 PM
needs to be droped  >:(
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 03, 2018, 06:58:00 PM
He backed out on a 50/50 chance, and they played on to eventually score.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on February 03, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Second half he was abysmal absolutely abysmal.

Unfortunately we don't really have another option of his type.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: CL3MO on February 03, 2018, 07:00:15 PM
I like Matty Phillips but that was one of the worst performances I've seen in an Albion shirt in a long while. Passing, crossing, first touch - everything was atrocious. Looks like his confidence has gone.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: liverbaggie on February 03, 2018, 07:30:15 PM
Hey CL totally agree with you,he pulls out of tackles as well.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on February 03, 2018, 08:58:24 PM
Terrible today, but generally wasted out on the Right Wing gets a lot more involved from the left or when he's played through the middle but we won't do that so Right Winger he is and a poor one at that at the moment.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on February 03, 2018, 09:23:11 PM
Has so much potential but attitude will always hold him back.

That's the reason he has moved clubs so often with his ability if applied correctly he should be playing championship football for one of the big clubs.
His own worse enemy.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2018, 09:26:18 PM
After what went before this game Phillips was borderline a disgrace to the shirt today. The worst performance I've seen from an Albion player for a long long time.


Terrible today, but generally wasted out on the Right Wing gets a lot more involved from the left or when he's played through the middle but we won't do that so Right Winger he is and a poor one at that at the moment.


He's a right winger ???
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on February 03, 2018, 09:29:47 PM
After what went before this game Phillips was borderline a disgrace to the shirt today. The worst performance I've seen from an Albion player for a long long time.



He's a right winger ???


I thought he did OK for about 15 minutes. Had one really good run and half decent cross.

After that he was simply embarrassing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on February 03, 2018, 09:33:54 PM
After what went before this game Phillips was borderline a disgrace to the shirt today. The worst performance I've seen from an Albion player for a long long time.



He's a right winger ???

The only period of decent form he's had since joining was when he was played on the left.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2018, 09:35:17 PM
The only period of decent form he's had since joining was when he was played on the left.


When?


He played wide right against Leicester away last year, and from memory continued to play wide right for the next four months?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: matt_wba912 on February 03, 2018, 10:51:14 PM
He's not a footballer he's an athlete who plays football, he has the raw physical ability but no footballing brain. He just a better version of James McClean
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 04, 2018, 05:39:28 AM
Overrated player who TP boasted about getting for only £3M. The reason ? Injury prone and only worth that much.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on February 04, 2018, 06:32:27 AM

When?


He played wide right against Leicester away last year, and from memory continued to play wide right for the next four months?

No played wide left at Leicester man of the match played there for the next few weeks was excellent went back to the right has been indifferent since.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on February 04, 2018, 08:32:56 AM
He's not a footballer he's an athlete who plays football, he has the raw physical ability but no footballing brain. He just a better version of James McClean

A much better version to be fair !!!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on February 04, 2018, 12:06:59 PM
We were saying the same thing last season before he was dropped by Pulis. He's a confidence player and I think needs a bit of time out of the team to come back and prove a point. Unfortunately we can't exactly afford to not have him in the side at the moment.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on February 04, 2018, 12:15:16 PM
give burke a go phillips has been **** of late and to pull out of that 50-50 shows to me bloke aint up for scrap.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on February 04, 2018, 12:18:28 PM
give burke a go phillips has been rubbish of late and to pull out of that 50-50 shows to me bloke aint up for scrap.

That did it me as well.
In our situation we want players to die for the cause not pussy foot about
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on February 04, 2018, 02:34:32 PM
I  think some of the criticism of Phillips here is a bit harsh  and exaggerated. Like alot of wingers, he has bad games. But he's one of the few players we have who's got the pace and skill to go past his full back and get good crosses in, which he did yesterday first half. I think too much is being made of his losing a 50/50 tackle. Nearly every opposition goal is the result of an error in the lead up, poor pass, poor ball control, whatever. As a winger his main jobs are to get behind the defenders and deliver dangerous crosses, and get on the scoresheet. I cannot see how Burke would be an improvement. All I've seen from him is speed. I haven't actually seen him do anything with the ball. Phillips is by far our best attacking wide player, unless you count Brunt, who is now more of a wide midfielder.  But agree that yesterday was one of his poorer games.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: adamw1109 on February 04, 2018, 02:41:48 PM
give burke a go phillips has been rubbish of late and to pull out of that 50-50 shows to me bloke aint up for scrap.

So that means the other 6 guys who didn't close lemina down for his goal ain't up for the game as they just stood there.

Like Alex1 has said, some of the stuff on this thread is exaggerated and people are just crying out for someone to blame for a very embarrassing team performance.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on February 04, 2018, 02:59:43 PM
So that means the other 6 guys who didn't close lemina down for his goal ain't up for the game as they just stood there.

Like Alex1 has said, some of the stuff on this thread is exaggerated and people are just crying out for someone to blame for a very embarrassing team performance.
Phillips has been useless for a while and needs to be droped, has done nothing of note since his purple patch of last season, id give Burke a chance because to be honest he doesnt deserve a starting berth.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: frazzle on February 04, 2018, 03:25:42 PM
All a bit over the top this. If he's a confidence player then I do hope he's not reading this. On his day he's a match winner. Yesterday he had a nightmare. It happens. Lets move on and support him. Id rather have a fit and firing Phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 04, 2018, 03:52:02 PM
He was poor yesterday but certainly one of our best players. Anyone calling him useless is, well frankly, useless.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hardtobeat on February 04, 2018, 04:03:29 PM
All a bit over the top this. If he's a confidence player then I do hope he's not reading this. On his day he's a match winner. Yesterday he had a nightmare. It happens. Lets move on and support him. Id rather have a fit and firing Phillips.
Can't have many days if we' ve only won 3 league games !!!!!!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tlms-p23 on February 04, 2018, 04:30:02 PM
I  think some of the criticism of Phillips here is a bit harsh  and exaggerated. Like alot of wingers, he has bad games. But he's one of the few players we have who's got the pace and skill to go past his full back and get good crosses in, which he did yesterday first half. I think too much is being made of his losing a 50/50 tackle. Nearly every opposition goal is the result of an error in the lead up, poor pass, poor ball control, whatever. As a winger his main jobs are to get behind the defenders and deliver dangerous crosses, and get on the scoresheet. I cannot see how Burke would be an improvement. All I've seen from him is speed. I haven't actually seen him do anything with the ball. Phillips is by far our best attacking wide player, unless you count Brunt, who is now more of a wide midfielder.  But agree that yesterday was one of his poorer games.


I take your point about wingers and bad games, they're generally an inconsistent bunch and it's only the great wingers who perform week after week - Overmars, Ronaldo, Bale, Giggs, Hazard, etc.

That said, Phillips has been poor for a while and we're so reliant on an outlet and pace on the break. I actually think Burke would be an upgrade. He's very raw but I don't think he lacks confidence. His first thought is to attack and carry the ball/get in behind. I don't think he'd be a bad shout next week against Chelsea. He'll have the beating of any of their 3 man defence if he gets behind.

As would an in-form Phillips but on recent evidence he's not offering that.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: adamw1109 on February 04, 2018, 04:38:28 PM
Phillips has been useless for a while and needs to be droped, has done nothing of note since his purple patch of last season, id give Burke a chance because to be honest he doesnt deserve a starting berth.

Speaks volumes when one of our better players are classed as useless.

Then who would you replace Burke with after he hasn't made miracles happen after being given a good run?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on February 04, 2018, 04:56:50 PM
Speaks volumes when one of our better players are classed as useless .

Then who would you replace Burke with after he hasn't made miracles happen after being given a good run?
id say he`s useless in a team that has won 3 games out of possible 26, and id give Burke a chance which phillips has had
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: adamw1109 on February 04, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
id say he`s useless in a team that has won 3 games out of possible 26, and id give Burke a chance which phillips has had

I agree Burke needs a chance, but if your theory was to go by we would need another 10 players to replace the rest that have been in a team that's only won 3 out of 26 games.

Phillips is just the scapegoat atm, one good run into the box or assist and everyone's attitude changes..... like always.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 04, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
Phillips is just the scapegoat atm, one good run into the box or assist and everyone's attitude changes..... like always.
Agreed, but chickening out of what I thought was actually a 60-40 challenge in his favour will endear him to no-one. We do need him in the side and firing though, as we don't have enough pace throughout the rest of the squad.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2018, 05:59:33 PM
Growing tired of Phillips , he's got all the tools to be a real handful but either vanishes from games , pulls up injured or runs straight into the fullback yet again. His main strength is early crossing but gets one in 8 of those right , his finishing is poor too ( watch how many times he hits it straight at the keeper ).
Nothing to do with making a scapegoat , I'm convinced its a mental thing with Phillips but overall he's simply not been good enough and thats not even mentioning the tackles he bottled Yesterday.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Greenock Baggie on February 04, 2018, 06:36:13 PM
Utterly shambolic disgraceful performance yesterday, should be ashamed of himself but wont be because he picked up his wages so nothing changes, no motivation, no self respect, no hope !!!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 04, 2018, 06:43:39 PM
I agree Burke needs a chance, but if your theory was to go by we would need another 10 players to replace the rest that have been in a team that's only won 3 out of 26 games.

Phillips is just the scapegoat atm, one good run into the box or assist and everyone's attitude changes..... like always.

I completely disagree. I think people have given him a fairly easy ride though his career with us to date, unlike Rondon who has had pelters week in week out and Livermore who has received much criticism. Phillips has been nigh on useless for us other than a those two months where everything clicked for us last season. His performances this season have been lamentable and he is now rightly receiving criticism. His challenge on the halfway line yesterday was utterly embarrassing and he should have been hauled off there and then as he clearly doesn't have the stomach for the fight that we are in.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on February 04, 2018, 07:06:16 PM
A while ag a lot of pro’s were saying he is a confidence player, that seems to be code for a luxury player and we can not afford luxury players at this time
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on February 04, 2018, 07:15:50 PM
A while ag a lot of pro’s were saying he is a confidence player, that seems to be code for a luxury player and we can not afford luxury players at this time

So it's McLean or HRK then?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on February 04, 2018, 07:36:47 PM
A while ag a lot of pro’s were saying he is a confidence player, that seems to be code for a luxury player and we can not afford luxury players at this time
don't forget he was our best attacking player last season (feel free to suggest someone else)....also it's not as though he's been consistently rubbish this year. Yesterday was by far his worst game for the club but he doesn't deserve to become the fans No 1 target (he may have bottled a challenge but Chadli had a few of those last year).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 04, 2018, 07:54:30 PM
Maybe injury prone players tend to be less physical in their challenges as a way to not get injured.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tylerm on February 04, 2018, 07:58:53 PM
don't forget he was our best attacking player last season (feel free to suggest someone else)....also it's not as though he's been consistently rubbish this year. Yesterday was by far his worst game for the club but he doesn't deserve to become the fans No 1 target (he may have bottled a challenge but Chadli had a few of those last year).

Totally agree Adder
Matty is a very good player who thrives on confidence. Yesterday was the worst game he has played for us but on his day is a match winner
All wingers are like this and we need him in the side and the fans behind him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 04, 2018, 07:59:09 PM
He's class. Simple as.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on February 04, 2018, 08:03:31 PM
He's class. Simple as.
Only glimpses at best , story of his career .
Certainly not what I would call a class player I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: adamw1109 on February 04, 2018, 08:19:31 PM
I completely disagree. I think people have given him a fairly easy ride though his career with us to date, unlike Rondon who has had pelters week in week out and Livermore who has received much criticism. Phillips has been nigh on useless for us other than a those two months where everything clicked for us last season. His performances this season have been lamentable and he is now rightly receiving criticism. His challenge on the halfway line yesterday was utterly embarrassing and he should have been hauled off there and then as he clearly doesn't have the stomach for the fight that we are in.

Yet we are crying out for him when he is injured because we have no winger to replace him.  (Burke can only play on one side at a time).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 05, 2018, 10:32:07 AM
He's class. Simple as.

Really? Provide me with examples of his class from this season please, I am itching to see what this opinion is based on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boinging_along on February 05, 2018, 10:43:34 AM
Really? Provide me with examples of his class from this season please, I am itching to see what this opinion is based on.

He has been injured for most of it to be fair.  He was poor Saturday but we should still be sticking with him because, at the moment, without him we're lacking in creativity.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 05, 2018, 10:53:32 AM
He has been injured for most of it to be fair.  He was poor Saturday but we should still be sticking with him because, at the moment, without him we're lacking in creativity.

He's had 14 starts in the league this season, you would hope that is more than enough to bring some influence on games. Chadli has offered more in the 20 minutes he was on the pitch at Stoke.

I just can't fathom the love in when the guy has displayed no ability to beat a man or beat the first man with a cross of late.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on February 05, 2018, 11:20:35 AM
He's had 14 starts in the league this season, you would hope that is more than enough to bring some influence on games. Chadli has offered more in the 20 minutes he was on the pitch at Stoke.

I just can't fathom the love in when the guy has displayed no ability to beat a man or beat the first man with a cross of late.
He couldn't beat an egg Saturday let alone a footballer.I can only recall the cross in the first half that deflected for a corner that we scored from being his sole positive contribution,he always looks reluctant to go on the outside and beat his marker.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: vrabbit on February 09, 2018, 05:57:23 PM
Matty has been slated a lot this week, and it has been deserved, but his performance last Saturday was the exception and not the norm. When healthy (he's played in 20 of 26 league games this season, 15 starts) he often provides a threat for us on the wing and gives opposing fullback problems. His stats are not on pace to match what he gave us last season (4 goals, 8 assists) but he still makes a difference for us on the attack and should continue to get our support even though he had one really bad game.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boot2006 on March 10, 2018, 07:57:17 PM
F**kin useless today.  This bloke could and should be doing so much better for himself and the team.  Bone idle, just another salary collector.  I don't even want him in the championship.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 10, 2018, 08:01:18 PM
Matty has been slated a lot this week, and it has been deserved, but his performance last Saturday was the exception and not the norm. When healthy (he's played in 20 of 26 league games this season, 15 starts) he often provides a threat for us on the wing and gives opposing fullback problems. His stats are not on pace to match what he gave us last season (4 goals, 8 assists) but he still makes a difference for us on the attack and should continue to get our support even though he had one really bad game.

How on earth have I not seen this comment until now  :o

That has to win the 'most ludicrous post of the season' award. I can't think of a single good game from him this season  :-X
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bradleysrocket on March 10, 2018, 08:02:23 PM
F**kin useless today.  This bloke could and should be doing so much better for himself and the team.  Bone idle, just another salary collector.  I don't even want him in the championship.
I thought his performance today was an improvement, certainly in his attitude in getting back and defensive work. A shocking free kick though at the BRE.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 10, 2018, 08:03:24 PM
After the cab 4 and the loanees this guy should be first out of the door. Bottler extraordinaire.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on March 10, 2018, 08:03:36 PM
F**kin useless today.  This bloke could and should be doing so much better for himself and the team.  Bone idle, just another salary collector.  I don't even want him in the championship.
been useless most of the season and should be dropped. we are down so it's time to ditch these wasters and start giving players match time who we will needed next season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boot2006 on March 10, 2018, 08:15:17 PM
He's reasonably quick and strong and should be ripping into defences and at least doing something positive.   I'm disappointed with a lot of players this season but Phillips really winds me up.  I'd gladly never see him in an Albion shirt again.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Baggies on March 10, 2018, 08:22:32 PM
Phillips played well last year. We can't get rid of everyone and expect them all to gel instantly - looks at villa last year. You will still need to keep some semblance of a core together.

In the championship, with the right manager and creative central midfielder inside him, Phillips could be an asset for us next season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on March 10, 2018, 09:04:12 PM
Matty Phillips has been a star in the making for a long long time infact to long has he's cooked his goose & its down to one thing
"inconsistency" to many no show games to make up for the ones were he turns it on. Championship could be a level were he could do well but don't think he would take the drop in wages 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on March 10, 2018, 09:14:16 PM
Phillips was an absolute waste of space for much of his time with QPR in the Championship do not think for a moment that dropping down a class will make the slightest bit of difference, our best hope is we can unload him on the basis of that little bit of form from last season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 10, 2018, 09:29:10 PM
Phillips played well last year. We can't get rid of everyone and expect them all to gel instantly - looks at villa last year. You will still need to keep some semblance of a core together.

In the championship, with the right manager and creative central midfielder inside him, Phillips could be an asset for us next season.

I’d gladly take that risk right now
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: CL3MO on March 11, 2018, 01:14:55 PM
Phillips was my favourite, and I'd argue one of our most important, players last season. We desperately missed him when he was injured last season.

Now, I don't know who I am watching on that right wing anymore. The guy has been a passenger for almost the whole of this season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on March 11, 2018, 02:57:42 PM
Been a waste of a shirt this season. How he wasn't subbed off earlier I don't know.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kris_boing on March 11, 2018, 04:39:30 PM
Gutless. No wonder he has been in a relegated side so often. Can't wait to see the back of him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on March 11, 2018, 05:38:48 PM
Gutless. No wonder he has been in a relegated side so often. Can't wait to see the back of him.

Had a little spell possibly his first season which started away at Leicester and done not a lot since, biggest bottlejob to wear our shirt for many a year
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cornishbaggie on March 11, 2018, 09:17:32 PM
Reckon he will be good in the Chumps league :)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on March 12, 2018, 05:52:44 AM
Has Phillips offered us anything apart from that 8 game spell last season? This year his body attitude stinks and so does his ability
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on March 12, 2018, 06:37:50 AM
When players start pulling out of challenges and let players run past them, they have obviously given up.
That's where he is now.
Too inconsistent, might be ok in the Championship.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on March 12, 2018, 07:24:06 AM
When players start pulling out of challenges and let players run past them, they have obviously given up.
That's where he is now.
Too inconsistent, might be ok in the Championship.

Or he could be protecting an injury. I am still playing and in November I did my foot ligament. Took ages to clear up and I played for the first time again last week. I can tell you I was very cautious going into a few challenges......

Just saying, although I will agree that his body language and performance is rather telling.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kendo on March 12, 2018, 01:45:38 PM
How the hell does he get called up for the Scotland squad. Whats  he doing selling programes, or pies.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Signor_Maresca on March 12, 2018, 04:02:28 PM
I don't care if he could be an asset for us in the Championship, I want him gone.  Lack of effort, bottling challenges and shirking his responsibilities - he epitomises everything this team has become.  Shouldn't play for us again this season, for all his faults I'd rather see McLean play from here on in, at least he plays with some pride. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on March 12, 2018, 04:07:49 PM
I don't care if he could be an asset for us in the Championship, I want him gone.  Lack of effort, bottling challenges and shirking his responsibilities - he epitomises everything this team has become.  Shouldn't play for us again this season, for all his faults I'd rather see McLean play from here on in, at least he plays with some pride.

Find myself agreeing with you on this fella

He has gone from being a player we cant be without to a player we could do without.

He has been nothing short of disgraceful with his weak, passionless performances all season.

Nearly every game ive seen from him he has jogged about and not ran or ripped past players like he did last season.

Id sooner see a McClean in all day long
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 12, 2018, 04:14:04 PM
I don't care if he could be an asset for us in the Championship, I want him gone.  Lack of effort, bottling challenges and shirking his responsibilities - he epitomises everything this team has become.  Shouldn't play for us again this season, for all his faults I'd rather see McLean play from here on in, at least he plays with some pride.

I said after the Southampton game where he completely bottled the tackle that lead to their first goal that I wouldn't pick him again and I stand by it. If he is here next season I will be extremely annoyed.

Being an awful footballer is one thing, being a gutless, spineless coward is unforgivable. It just so happens that this lad is both.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on March 12, 2018, 04:20:08 PM
I recall the press and he who shall not be named in a cap telling us that "Matty is a confidence player", well we now know that he is a lazy feckless f@$ker who couldn't give a damn, he needs to be gone ASAP, the time for making excuses for any of this squad has come and gone, Taxi for phillips please, cheers Gareth!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: mrmojorisin on March 12, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
I think we will be the third club he has been relegated with.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on April 21, 2018, 03:24:55 PM
I thought he was our Man of the Match, not afraid of taking on defenders and more often than not getting past them and getting his cross in. Agreed he is inconsistent, but credit due that on his day he is one of the best wingers in the Prem.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 21, 2018, 03:33:54 PM
I thought he was our Man of the Match, not afraid of taking on defenders and more often than not getting past them and getting his cross in. Agreed he is inconsistent, but credit due that on his day he is one of the best wingers in the Prem.

Unfortunately he's been anonymous throughout most of his time here apart from the odd brief thing here and there. Playing for his move away in front of the cameras
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on April 21, 2018, 03:37:18 PM
Unfortunately he's been anonymous throughout most of his time here apart from the odd brief thing here and there. Playing for his move away in front of the cameras
Not convinced its the move thing , he hung around QPR long enough. For me its the constant confidence thing , arm around him. Frankly I'm sick of that.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 21, 2018, 03:42:20 PM
Not convinced its the move thing , he hung around QPR long enough. For me its the constant confidence thing , arm around him. Frankly I'm sick of that.

Possibly hung around nwe were doing our usual of tracking a player for 3 years before we sign them. Won't be sorry to see him and few others go.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on April 21, 2018, 05:05:15 PM
Has looked a mixture of disinterested waster and a headless chicken for most of the season with an occasional flash of something better. Looks entirely like the player he was at QPR. Would like to be shot of him but I doubt anyone will be in for him. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on April 21, 2018, 05:08:09 PM
Agree with the above, whilst he clearly has the ability and had a good game today, you've got to question the application. If he can't apply himself when we're fighting for survival in the Premier League, I doubt we'll see much application next season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on April 21, 2018, 09:46:50 PM
I'm in the minority of 1 I think! I think has often been our only outlet in one poor team performance after another.

I think everybody is being brutal on him.

But he did clearly shirk a challenge in game I forget that led to a goal against and that was poor.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boinging_along on April 21, 2018, 10:03:23 PM
Make that 2 Lewis. I think he's genuinely exciting when he's on form. If he played like that every week he'd be in a top 6 side.

I remember the challenge thing.  I didn't object because I could see what he was attempting and he's done the same thing since.  He just tried to nick the ball past the defender as the defender commits. If it comes off it's great as he has a clear run.  If not then it can look like he's bottled the challenge.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mr Cynical on April 23, 2018, 12:12:54 PM
I think the only time he has looked good in our shirt was November to February last season - on top of that wave of good results and confidence.  He was much better on Saturday than he has at any point this season, and that's reflected by stats of 1 goal and 2 assists for the season.

I am also unable to forgive him for the cowardice he has shown time and time again - bottling out of challenges and failing to engage defenders.  This will only be worse in the Championship where the defenders are much less subtle.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Backofthenet on April 23, 2018, 02:00:37 PM
He has to be in the bunch that leaves. I think we've seen the best in limited spells and certainly the worst.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on April 23, 2018, 08:34:00 PM
Make that 2 Lewis. I think he's genuinely exciting when he's on form. If he played like that every week he'd be in a top 6 side.

I remember the challenge thing.  I didn't object because I could see what he was attempting and he's done the same thing since.  He just tried to nick the ball past the defender as the defender commits. If it comes off it's great as he has a clear run.  If not then it can look like he's bottled the challenge.
Yeah I agree on the nick the ball past the defender point. I'm not saying that Phillips is one of them but a lot of skilled players around Europe would do the same type of thing rather than going in like a defender / DM / McLean. Chadli does the same.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boinging_along on April 26, 2018, 09:31:29 AM
Yeah I agree on the nick the ball past the defender point. I'm not saying that Phillips is one of them but a lot of skilled players around Europe would do the same type of thing rather than going in like a defender / DM / McLean. Chadli does the same.
Yeah, I think that's the difference.  What Phillips (tried in that instance, but it has come off in the past) would have led to a really good attacking situation - there would have been space to run into, the defender out of it and himself still on his feet.  If he'd gone in like McClean would, nothing would have come of it because he'd have been grounded and the ball would have been off some where else.  I feel like it's a bit harsh to constantly bring up him pulling out of challenges on the basis of that, even more so when he gets the blame despite the rest of the team having ample opportunity to get themselves organised to defend.

We want players to get us on our feet and excited, to run at the opposition.  When we have someone who tries that and it doesn't come off every time I don't like to get on their backs.  I'd rather see that than just diving into every challenge.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ex coseley kid on April 27, 2018, 09:25:42 AM
Make that 2 Lewis. I think he's genuinely exciting when he's on form. If he played like that every week he'd be in a top 6 side.

And make it three. Last two coaches simply didn't know how to use the squad they had. Brunty was right we should not be in the position we are in - I'm not for a minute saying I don't hold the players accountable for their performances this season but it's been like an orchestra without a conductor all year.

Well, we had a conductor but he was helping to park the bus.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on April 27, 2018, 11:14:27 AM
And make it three. Last two coaches simply didn't know how to use the squad they had. Brunty was right we should not be in the position we are in - I'm not for a minute saying I don't hold the players accountable for their performances this season but it's been like an orchestra without a conductor all year.

Well, we had a conductor but he was helping to park the bus.

And when the club entrusted the bus to a village idiot the wheels well and truly came off  :-X .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on August 07, 2018, 10:04:38 PM
Great finish tonight, has certainly looked one of our better players so far. Probably found his level and looks better physically this season too.

Not sure about the hand behind the ear celebration to our fans though. Any criticism to the team and him has been rightly deserved in recent times.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: mig on August 07, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
Yes, well done Matty - earned us a point from nothing tonight. Clearly has the ability to tear this league apart but needs a manager who will make the most of his talents. Sadly that's not DM.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:22:26 PM
Our best player so far this season. Helps we are front foot more at this level. Good goal tonight and lively all round.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2018, 10:23:07 PM
Played well tonight, looks interested at the moment which is more than he did last season, absolute belting goal
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on August 07, 2018, 10:24:25 PM
Yes, well done Matty - earned us a point from nothing tonight. Clearly has the ability to tear this league apart but needs a manager who will make the most of his talents. Sadly that's not DM.

and how do you come to that conclusion?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 07, 2018, 10:32:54 PM
Great finish tonight, has certainly looked one of our better players so far. Probably found his level and looks better physically this season too.

Not sure about the hand behind the ear celebration to our fans though. Any criticism to the team and him has been rightly deserved in recent times.
Not sure about found his level he was our best attacker in the prem 2 years ago. Found his fitness might be more to the point. Not sure, but the hand behind the ear could have been aimed at Forest fans as he started the celebration in their area.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on August 07, 2018, 10:35:17 PM
and how do you come to that conclusion?

DM was way too negative tonight and who in their mind players HRK for 90 minutes against Bolton? Phillips got him out of jail tonight.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on August 07, 2018, 10:37:54 PM
Not sure about found his level he was our best attacker in the prem 2 years ago. Found his fitness might be more to the point. Not sure, but the hand behind the ear could have been aimed at Forest fans as he started the celebration in their area.

Watching the replay again it's clearly aimed out our fans. Oh well hopefully it spurs him on again for another 8 game run of form.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on August 07, 2018, 10:57:03 PM
Pleased for Matty. On his day he can be the most dangerous winger in the division. However, we know he's a confidence player and so hopefully this will spur him on for this season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2018, 11:19:05 AM
Watching the replay again it's clearly aimed out our fans. Oh well hopefully it spurs him on again for another 8 game run of form.

I think he was just enjoying and soaking up the noise of a very relieved goal celebration.

Nothing more, nothing less.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on September 02, 2018, 01:04:20 PM
"Scotland call up West Ham's Robert Snodgrass to replace West Brom winger Matt Phillips"

I didn't notice any injury to him or him showing any sign of discomfort during the game yesterday

Source: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12017/11488540/scotland-call-up-west-hams-robert-snodgrass
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 02, 2018, 02:47:22 PM
Matt was able to turn Stoke inside out at times.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 02, 2018, 06:26:33 PM
There was definitely a point in the second half where he did start to struggle with a knock. Hopefully he's missing the internationals as a precaution as he's been our most consistent performer by quite some way so far this season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 02, 2018, 06:28:18 PM
"Scotland call up West Ham's Robert Snodgrass to replace West Brom winger Matt Phillips"

I didn't notice any injury to him or him showing any sign of discomfort during the game yesterday

Source: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12017/11488540/scotland-call-up-west-hams-robert-snodgrass

I hope it's not serious as if he ain't fit we could be faced with Tyrone mears playing rwb for a few games...

Been one of our best players so far this season. Whilst yesterday he only got forward a few times when he did Stoke we're really struggling. Also contained McLean.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigFrank20 on September 02, 2018, 07:19:13 PM
I got the impression he was being very careful not to give McClean any chance to get a head start on him in any sort of foot race that might develop and so was a lot more defensively inclined than in recent games
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 02, 2018, 07:41:39 PM
Always felt when he turns it on he's as good as what we've had in a long time, Chadli included. He has his critics but what he has shown is his ability at this level is head and shoulders above. And shows why there have been instances in The Premiership when he has turned teams inside out.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on September 02, 2018, 08:46:33 PM
He played well yesterday but I would have liked him to take on Pieters more often especially after Pieters got booked in the first half.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: beechyboy90 on September 14, 2018, 10:19:38 PM
Been our best player by a county mile so far this season. The way he's playing a prem team will be knocking our door for him in January.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on September 14, 2018, 10:23:45 PM
only player who played above average tonight.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on September 14, 2018, 10:24:34 PM
Can see he has the confidence to go past his man everytime.

4 goals in 7 games for a winger is a great return.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on September 14, 2018, 10:25:24 PM
One of only 2 or 3 who had any urgency tonight. Sky were dwelling on the poor defending for his goal but that was doing Phillips a dis-service...it was a direct run, energy with a slice of luck in getting the ball back but then a cool finish wrong footing defender and keeper.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Canmore Baggie on September 14, 2018, 10:57:38 PM
If only he had a few more people around him playing as well as he is - we'd be lethal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: barnestormer on September 14, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
Been our best player by a county mile so far this season. The way he's playing a prem team will be knocking our door for him in January.
Being relegated with 3 different teams tells me he's found his level...the championship
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on September 14, 2018, 11:45:33 PM
Being relegated with 3 different teams tells me he's found his level...the championship
Our best attacking player in the prem 2 years ago. He's staying fit which is a huge thing for him....said himself it's the first full pre-season he's had since he's been here.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Canmore Baggie on September 15, 2018, 12:09:29 AM
Being relegated with 3 different teams tells me he's found his level...the championship

May be right - but if so he is a very good Championship player - maybe in that too good for the Chumps but not good enough for the Prem category, like Gayle. Or like Albion used to be...
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: liverbaggie on September 15, 2018, 07:46:55 AM
The point is he's playing well now and scoring goals.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on September 15, 2018, 08:00:47 AM
The point is he's playing well now and scoring goals.
Agreed, that is the point. Looks like anyone who plays well this year will be labelled with the slur 'Championship player'.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kie the baggie on October 04, 2018, 08:25:57 PM
Any news on his fitness, desperately missing him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Sted1990 on October 04, 2018, 10:05:52 PM
I imagine he won’t play as they will not want to send him on Scotland duty
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on October 04, 2018, 10:39:17 PM
I really hope that he is available for Saturday. We are missing him big style. The players just don’t trust Mears. This was very noticeable at Preston where he was largely ignored, especially in the first half.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: leeiswba on January 02, 2019, 03:12:46 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/matt-phillips-wanted-cardiff-burnley-13803401

Not too sure how to get all the article contents on here but as the headline says Burnley and Cardiff are interested although the Mirror aren’t the best for being accurate
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2019, 03:36:34 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/matt-phillips-wanted-cardiff-burnley-13803401

Not too sure how to get all the article contents on here but as the headline says Burnley and Cardiff are interested although the Mirror aren’t the best for being accurate

Easy two clubs to link him with in all honesty.

Was public knowledge that Cardiff enquired in the summer, bulked at our asking price. I doubt our price has come down so cant seem them coming back in for him. After all they aint in the relegation zone so aren't 'desperate' to spend.

Burnley another club that need some reinforcements. I imagine Phillips, Rodriguez and probably Dawson again will all be linked there at some stage this month.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba_1996 on January 02, 2019, 03:57:50 PM
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/matt-phillips-wanted-cardiff-burnley-13803401

Not too sure how to get all the article contents on here but as the headline says Burnley and Cardiff are interested although the Mirror aren’t the best for being accurate

Still a decent chance we'll be swapping leagues with both of them so can't see him being keen to force a move. Either way, we'd be asking for about £15m which nobody would pay.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on January 02, 2019, 05:01:33 PM
"Matt Phillips wanted by Cardiff and Burnley as interest in West Brom star hots up"

Source: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/matt-phillips-wanted-cardiff-burnley-13803401

We can't afford to lose him, if we are serious about promotion.

But why would he go to either of these teams when he'd probably end up in the Championship next season, whilst we could be in the Premier League?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 02, 2019, 06:28:08 PM
Won't happen.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 02, 2019, 06:40:28 PM
Smacks of recycling old stories. Cardiff did enquire about Phillips in the summer, were told 15m and dropped the interest (this is Warnock's version of events anyway).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Bilston Dan on January 02, 2019, 07:22:50 PM
Hopefully just paper talk. A sidewards step can often become a backwards step. Matt's a key component of our team and I don't think it's advisable to go to either of the clubs mentioned. Cardiff I can't see stopping up and neither can I see Burnley stopping up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Oldbury24 on January 02, 2019, 08:55:50 PM
If anything his value should have gone up as he's been our most consistent performer.   Would take more money than those two would be willing to spend.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on January 03, 2019, 01:19:08 PM
This is how his career has gone.

Signs for Premier league team > doesn't stand out > team eventually gets relegated > stars in a lower division for 6-12 months > gets move back to premier league
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on January 03, 2019, 02:14:50 PM
I think it would be a major loss if he goes and may well finish our promotion hopes.
Phillips and Barnes have been key reasons we have carried such a goal threat this season.
Both are able to carry the ball forward from midfield and get around full backs. Against Sheff Wed, he must have set up 4 or 5 very decent crosses,  and not really his fault if nobody got on the end of them.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on January 03, 2019, 03:11:22 PM
I think it would be a major loss if he goes and may well finish our promotion hopes.
Phillips and Barnes have been key reasons we have carried such a goal threat this season.
Both are able to carry the ball forward from midfield and get around full backs. Against Sheff Wed, he must have set up 4 or 5 very decent crosses,  and not really his fault if nobody got on the end of them.

I'd be surprised if he left for Fulham or Burnley, there's a very strong possibility if he did that he'd be back in the Championship anyway next season.
Then again money talks.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 03, 2019, 03:52:59 PM
This is how his career has gone.

Signs for Premier league team > doesn't stand out > team eventually gets relegated > stars in a lower division for 6-12 months > gets move back to premier league
Our best attacking player in our top half finish under Pulis in the premier league.....his hamstring injury coincided with the end of season slump that carried into the following season.
Touching a lot of wood this is his best season injury wise and he's playing well as a result.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: viaductbaggies on January 12, 2019, 09:13:04 PM
Seen on another forum that he wasn’t in squad as it’s a done deal with Burnley

Can’t see that myself
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 12, 2019, 09:21:10 PM
Seen on another forum that he wasn’t in squad as it’s a done deal with Burnley

Can’t see that myself


Press would have got wind of it if that was the case.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: leeiswba on January 12, 2019, 09:51:42 PM
Saw a bit of this myself but like Jacko said surely there would be snippets in the press
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on January 12, 2019, 10:20:18 PM
It would be a poor move for him to go there personally if it was true
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: liverbaggie on January 12, 2019, 11:25:21 PM
What's going on with Phillips?
Where is he,is he injured or got a family problem?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on January 13, 2019, 07:23:57 AM
It would be stupid if the club let Burke, Barnes and Philips go before we get a replacement.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie38 on January 13, 2019, 07:47:09 AM
It would be stupid if the club let Burke, Barnes and Philips go before we get a replacement.

This is albion. It wouldn't surprise me. For me if we lose Phillips aswell as Barnes we aren't getting promoted.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on January 13, 2019, 08:52:03 AM
If we sell Phillips there’s going to be a massive backlash...it will be like they are purposely trying to derail promotion

I hope it’s wrong 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on January 13, 2019, 08:59:32 AM
This is albion. It wouldn't surprise me. For me if we lose Phillips aswell as Barnes we aren't getting promoted.
Agree.
Unless the club willing to spend all the funds from the sale of Chadli and Philips on Deck and a proven winger.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: mig on January 13, 2019, 12:20:59 PM
Apparently won't be travelling to Dubai but isn't injured.

Could be for any number of reasons but you can't help but fear the worst, especially after we were meant to be opening contract talks with him only a week or so ago.

Selling him now would be ridiculous - genuinely wouldn't even consider it for anything less than £30m, especially if it's to a club desperately fighting to stay in the Prem.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on January 13, 2019, 12:34:29 PM
Apparently won't be travelling to Dubai but isn't injured.

Could be for any number of reasons but you can't help but fear the worst, especially after we were meant to be opening contract talks with him only a week or so ago.

Selling him now would be ridiculous - genuinely wouldn't even consider it for anything less than £30m, especially if it's to a club desperately fighting to stay in the Prem.

All sounds a bit suspicious if he's not gone and injured all of a sudden when no talk of this the day before the game ?

A very key player for us especially  now Barnes has gone.

We already need to replace Barnes/Burke in the squad and we saw how short of real attacking options we had on the bench yesterday allied to the fact that HRK should not be starting at this level and we are struggling for attacking options at first team level.
Up to the club to keep the promotion bid on track with some signings that can help us through some tough months ahead.

Selling Phillips would be madness unless we had someone better lined up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: sammyg on January 13, 2019, 12:47:14 PM
I’m sure Matt Wilson said he missed out on yesterday’s game through injury along with Morrison
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 13, 2019, 12:56:17 PM
I’m sure Matt Wilson said he missed out on yesterday’s game through injury along with Morrison

DM said after the game that Philips had picked up an ankle knock and they were going to assess how bad it was and whether he would be OK to go to Dubai or stay behind to receive treatment.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on January 13, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
Agree it would be absolute madness to sell Phillips if we are serious about promotion.
With Barnes gone, we absolutely need a player with pace, who is able to carry the ball from midfield into the danger area and set up goal chances.
Even if we got silly money for him, the assets of the club need to be out on the pitch, not in a bank account. I can't believe we would find an adequate replacement in this window.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gingernumpty on January 13, 2019, 03:29:36 PM
Not sure you can read into it but Morrison travels to Dubai and Phillips stays for treatment?  It all seems a little too convenient for me based on Experience of WBA and transfer windows.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 13, 2019, 04:25:03 PM
DM said after the game that Philips had picked up an ankle knock and they were going to assess how bad it was and whether he would be OK to go to Dubai or stay behind to receive treatment.
I’ll translate

A club (maybe one other) has shown serious intent ,Therefore our (13m approx) assets will not be risked on a foreign trip because we believe we are close to a deal

I would be very surprised to see him in baggies clothing again
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on January 13, 2019, 04:56:26 PM
I suspect that those who purport conspiracy theories, will eventually be proven correct, its called the law of averages.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: koren on January 13, 2019, 05:08:11 PM
I’ll translate

A club (maybe one other) has shown serious intent ,Therefore our (13m approx) assets will not be risked on a foreign trip because we believe we are close to a deal

I would be very surprised to see him in baggies clothing again
Shouldn't sell him for less than 20m.
This season he shows us that he is not a pacey winger only, he can be a good central midfielder too.
We need to sign two players to replace him if the club let him go.
 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 13, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
I’ll translate

A club (maybe one other) has shown serious intent ,Therefore our (13m approx) assets will not be risked on a foreign trip because we believe we are close to a deal

I would be very surprised to see him in baggies clothing again

Yes, I figured that possibility as well. However what's more likely is that there has been interest (maybe even a bid) and this has been refused. Due to the speculation possibly effecting Philips mentally he was not played on Saturday.

Much like the situation with Dawson in August. The club didn't need or want to sell but he was quietly pushed to one side until the window closed and then brought back into the fold in September. This looks like a Moore M.O.

Who else have they sold recently where it was either not prudent to do so or where they didn't need to? They held out for the best deal possible for Chadli when it was the best for both parties that he moved on. None from JROD, Dawson, Hegazi, Gibbs, Philips, Livermore etc. were sold in the summer. Rondon was only allowed out on loan as the deal guaranteed a (better) replacement.

Frankly I'll be staggered if he is sold in this window.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on January 13, 2019, 05:44:23 PM
This is now beginning to worry me

If Phillips is sold there is going to be hell to pay with this club with our fans

Only a compete madman would sell Phillips at this stage of the season

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 13, 2019, 06:27:06 PM
This is now beginning to worry me

If Phillips is sold there is going to be hell to pay with this club with our fans

Only a compete madman would sell Phillips at this stage of the season
Then I am a madman
Let’s not forget the many matches where Phillips quite simply did not turn/pulled out of tackles,there are many replacements out there that will fill his void and ensure we make a profit,for the record I’m not saying he’s a bad player,but he’s not the messiah either
Not sure about the he’ll to pay comment either,if a player really wants out,to play in the prem and double/triple his money...why/how would we stop him ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 13, 2019, 08:06:10 PM
Those words that Dowling said about not being afraid to sell (players in general) could just be tested here. Hopefully this means we are confident in who we need to sign as replacements and their availability before selling anyone. There's a couple of If's here but If we have had serious interest from someone and a good bid, then we may think he's at the peak of his value now before his contract runs down further.

Of course there may be nothing in this at all - as said, risky to sell your 2nd or 3rd best player of the season just after your best player of the season has gone back to his parent club.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on January 13, 2019, 08:18:21 PM
Shouldn't sell him for less than 20m.
This season he shows us that he is not a pacey winger only, he can be a good central midfielder too.
We need to sign two players to replace him if the club let him go.
In what world do we believe Philips is worth 20 million. We paid 4 and despite transfer inflation he has not done anything like enough to justify that even in January.
And any Albion fan who believes we would not sell at 12 mil is deluded. Whether or not it’s the right thing for the team right now
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on January 13, 2019, 09:06:57 PM
In what world do we believe Philips is worth 20 million. We paid 4 and despite transfer inflation he has not done anything like enough to justify that even in January.
And any Albion fan who believes we would not sell at 12 mil is deluded. Whether or not it’s the right thing for the team right now
Even if we got £20 million, it's a big ask to expect a replacement of similar quality in this window. Phillips is Premiership quality. We've also lost another very creative player in Barnes.  Its no good having our assets in a bank account. They have to be out on the pitch. That's if we are serious about promotion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on January 13, 2019, 10:42:43 PM
This is a worrying situation. Along with the now departed Barnes Phillips is our best outlet when we look to break and hit teams on the counter. Surely the club won’t allow it to happen........
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 13, 2019, 11:08:44 PM
This is now beginning to worry me

If Phillips is sold there is going to be hell to pay with this club with our fans

Only a compete madman would sell Phillips at this stage of the season

I can't see him being sold, certainly without replacement(s) being guaranteed.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 13, 2019, 11:10:16 PM
Then I am a madman
Let’s not forget the many matches where Phillips quite simply did not turn/pulled out of tackles,there are many replacements out there that will fill his void and ensure we make a profit,for the record I’m not saying he’s a bad player,but he’s not the messiah either
Not sure about the he’ll to pay comment either,if a player really wants out,to play in the prem and double/triple his money...why/how would we stop him ?

I agree with this. For me Philips is out player of the season, but no player is irreplaceable.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 13, 2019, 11:13:10 PM
In what world do we believe Philips is worth 20 million. We paid 4 and despite transfer inflation he has not done anything like enough to justify that even in January.
And any Albion fan who believes we would not sell at 12 mil is deluded. Whether or not it’s the right thing for the team right now

Blackburn paid £800k for Dack 18 months ago, and we had a £15m bid rejected in August. This inflation was based on his performance over one season in League 1, whereas Philips has been one of the best players in the Championship this year. No reason why Philips isn't worth over £15 also.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on January 13, 2019, 11:46:27 PM
Phillips has 18 months left on his contract he is 28 shortly and regardless of what division we find ourselves at the end of the season we will have to make a decision about his future no latter than May. Personally he is the type of player I would sell at this stage of his career and would be deeply disappointed if we were to buy a 28 year old winger/attacking midfielder particularly  for a significant fee.

That said I absolutely would not sell now almost at any price because it would be very difficult for us to get a replacement at the same level but that is very much the short term imperative of keeping our better players to push for promotion over the 2nd half of the season. At the end of the season all bets are off and nobody is not for sale.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on January 14, 2019, 12:35:35 AM
I'd prefer him to stay until the end of the season and we take it from there. However, when he joined Luke Dowling openly stated we shouldn't be afraid to cash in on players for the right price and at the right time if it were for the greater benefit of the club. If we were to receive an attractive bid I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see Phillips leave this month. My only wish would be for the money to be successfully reinvested  :-X .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on January 14, 2019, 05:46:21 AM
I'd prefer him to stay until the end of the season and we take it from there. However, when he joined Luke Dowling openly stated we shouldn't be afraid to cash in on players for the right price and at the right time if it were for the greater benefit of the club. If we were to receive an attractive bid I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see Phillips leave this month. My only wish would be for the money to be successfully reinvested  :-X .

Depends what greater benefit of the club means !!!!  With Lai and Jenkins in charge I don't hold much optimism; was the Chadli money for the greater benefit ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 14, 2019, 08:25:43 AM
Not sure you can read into it but Morrison travels to Dubai and Phillips stays for treatment?  It all seems a little too convenient for me based on Experience of WBA and transfer windows.

Moore said Phillips was being assessment and wouldn't go if he needed treatment which sounds reasonable given they are going to Dubai to train, if Phillips needs treatment and can't train then why take him?
Maybe Morrison is able to train and that's why he's gone?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on January 14, 2019, 09:18:55 AM
Depends what greater benefit of the club means !!!!  With Lai and Jenkins in charge I don't hold much optimism; was the Chadli money for the greater benefit ?

Greater benefit of the CLUB, not the TEAM, am i over analysing?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on January 14, 2019, 10:15:29 AM
The one thing which makes me think he is genuinely injured and not close to a move away, is the fact we have opened talks with him over a new contract.

We would have sounded out him and his agent and got the feeling he would be happy to sign a contract hence 'opening' talks.

I think the Jenkins and the likes, would know that it would be suicidal to sell Phillips at this stage (especially after losing Barnes). It would leave us incredibly thin on the grounds.

If you consider we wanted 15million for him in the summer, its going to cost us more than that to replace him at this stage of the season (when the likes of Dack are quoted at 20million+).

We HAVE to keep him this window if we are serious about going back up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kie the baggie on January 14, 2019, 10:32:52 AM
Think Southampton are interested
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on January 14, 2019, 11:38:06 AM
Think Southampton are interested

why do you think that?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kie the baggie on January 14, 2019, 03:20:02 PM
why do you think that?
Footballer, not connected to wba told me this morning
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 14, 2019, 05:11:06 PM
Footballer, not connected to wba told me this morning

That Steve from Bilston Town knows a thing or two for sure
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 14, 2019, 07:27:10 PM
Think Southampton are interested
we're interested in lots of players but it doesn't mean we will bid.

Haven't saints got to sell first I thought I had read?

I believe he is injured, I genuinely do not think big dave would lie about it
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 14, 2019, 10:38:19 PM
Think Southampton are interested

IMO Southampton are not as good as us.

Walks away from firework.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 14, 2019, 10:40:57 PM
Anyway this is the month we find out once and for all whether Guochuan can speak truth and wisdom or simply, Lai.

If we don't shore things up this January my pointy finger is firmly at him, not DM.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on January 16, 2019, 12:25:06 PM
saw on a facebook site this morning (paraphrasing)
"I was sat by Dwight Gayles father and he (Gayles dad) said that it will be announced on Monday that Matt has gone"
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on January 16, 2019, 12:39:39 PM
Please tell us more...…...
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on January 16, 2019, 03:02:20 PM
saw on a facebook site this morning (paraphrasing)
"I was sat by Dwight Gayles father and he (Gayles dad) said that it will be announced on Monday that Matt has gone"

Facebook groups don't tend to be filled with the smartest of WBA fans in all honesty. I would havea few questions for that whole scenario.

IF it were to be true, then the club have shot themselves in the foot massively and I think automatic promotion would be out the window, could also imagine one or two others would look to push through a move (losing Barnes and selling Phillips doesn't really show the clubs ambition). Surely selling Phillips now would be criminal.

He doesn't come across as the type of player to throw his toys out the pram, I imagine he would just crack on with things until the summer if we said he weren't allowed to leave.

Ill take the facebook comment with a pinch of salt.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bradleysrocket on January 16, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
saw on a facebook site this morning (paraphrasing)
"I was sat by Dwight Gayles father and he (Gayles dad) said that it will be announced on Monday that Matt has gone"
That was posted In the aftermath of  the Norwich game. That Monday has been and gone with no announcement or even a whiff of paper talk of it. The usual BS.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on January 16, 2019, 09:14:48 PM
That was posted In the aftermath of  the Norwich game. That Monday has been and gone with no announcement or even a whiff of paper talk of it. The usual BS.
Wasn’t aware of the timing of that, I saw it this morning and relayed it as such
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hillsm on January 18, 2019, 01:32:31 PM
I met the head of recruitment at Burnley this morning.

He said that they were after Dawson, JRod and Phillips in the summer.

They have been in for Phillips again this past week and the upshot of it is we told them where to go. As of yesterday they ended their interest in him.

What was interesting is that Dyche really likes JRod, but the club won't trigger the £12m release clause in his contract as they don't think he has a great re-sale value given his age. In the summer we quoted them £20m.

As an aside, he's at Carrow Road tonight watching Che Adams.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on January 18, 2019, 01:56:04 PM
I met the head of recruitment at Burnley this morning.

He said that they were after Dawson, JRod and Phillips in the summer.

They have been in for Phillips again this past week and the upshot of it is we told them where to go. As of yesterday they ended their interest in him.

What was interesting is that Dyche really likes JRod, but the club won't trigger the £12m release clause in his contract as they don't think he has a great re-sale value given his age. In the summer we quoted them £20m.

As an aside, he's at Carrow Road tonight watching Che Adams.

Mike Rigg ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: hillsm on January 18, 2019, 03:31:03 PM
No that's not who I met.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 18, 2019, 03:44:09 PM
Martin Hodge is Head Of Recruitment
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on January 18, 2019, 07:00:43 PM
I met the head of recruitment at Burnley this morning.

He said that they were after Dawson, JRod and Phillips in the summer.

They have been in for Phillips again this past week and the upshot of it is we told them where to go. As of yesterday they ended their interest in him.

What was interesting is that Dyche really likes JRod, but the club won't trigger the £12m release clause in his contract as they don't think he has a great re-sale value given his age. In the summer we quoted them £20m.

As an aside, he's at Carrow Road tonight watching Che Adams.
any chance someone could meet our head of recruitment and tell him window is open :P
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on January 24, 2019, 05:47:45 PM
'It's a bad one' West Brom boss offers injury update on Matt Phillips, James Morrison and more"

This is a blow!

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/its-bad-one-west-brom-15728357
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 24, 2019, 07:01:38 PM
'It's a bad one' West Brom boss offers injury update on Matt Phillips, James Morrison and more"

This is a blow!

Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/its-bad-one-west-brom-15728357

Still sounds like he will be back sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 24, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Hopefully will also keep the vultures away who might have been thinking of swooping in for a smash and grab of some talent
COYB
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on January 24, 2019, 08:51:43 PM
Reading between the lines  he could be out for some time.
I hope DM has contingency plans in hand
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 24, 2019, 09:18:46 PM
It's a major blow with some big and important games coming up after the cup game. At least it should concentrate the minds to get someone else in this week, if we don't get Murphy from Newcastle then we really need someone else similar.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionBest on January 24, 2019, 09:37:59 PM
Not good news this has we know he seems to take a long time to get over injuries and couldn’t have happened at a worse time after losing our only other really creative player in Barnes.
Desperately need a similar player or two in before the deadline or it could be very costly.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 25, 2019, 09:35:19 AM
Still sounds like he will be back sooner rather than later.

What gives you that impression? Moore has said that the injury is worse than they first thought.

Reading that article I'm not confident he will be fit for the Boro game.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 25, 2019, 10:05:58 AM
Think we can forget him for the Boro game unless Moore is bluffing, which isn't really his style.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on January 25, 2019, 10:12:00 AM
What gives you that impression? Moore has said that the injury is worse than they first thought.

Reading that article I'm not confident he will be fit for the Boro game.
When you hear it's a "bad one", you really fear the worst but then he says he should be back in February and it's not so "bad". Think Boro will be too soon but if he's in contention for Stoke, then that will be a result.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2019, 10:15:20 AM
When you hear it's a "bad one", you really fear the worst but then he says he should be back in February and it's not so "bad". Think Boro will be too soon but if he's in contention for Stoke, then that will be a result.

I get the impression he won't figure during February at all
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 25, 2019, 10:17:57 AM
When you hear it's a "bad one", you really fear the worst but then he says he should be back in February and it's not so "bad". Think Boro will be too soon but if he's in contention for Stoke, then that will be a result.

Moore says "hopefully" they'll be back in February.

I think it more likely Morrison will be fit again in February than Phillips (hope I'm wrong though).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albion Estate Baggie on January 25, 2019, 10:45:56 AM
Reading between the lines  he could be out for some time.
I hope DM has contingency plans in hand

I think the speed with which we have replaced Barnes and Burke give an indication about the readyness of our contingency plans.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on January 25, 2019, 10:55:17 AM
I think the speed with which we have replaced Barnes and Burke give an indication about the readyness of our contingency plans.

Just pictured the mental image of an old tortoise creaking along on a Zimmer Frame when I read that  ;D .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on January 25, 2019, 11:06:53 AM
Just pictured the mental image of an old tortoise creaking along on a Zimmer Frame when I read that  ;D .
Don't talk about Gareth Barry like that mate.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on January 25, 2019, 11:08:29 AM
Just pictured the mental image of an old tortoise creaking along on a Zimmer Frame when I read that ;D .

Why is HRK always the fulcrum of any discussion?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 25, 2019, 11:47:13 AM
What gives you that impression? Moore has said that the injury is worse than they first thought.

Reading that article I'm not confident he will be fit for the Boro game.

The entirety of the article.

Perhaps he'll miss Middlesbrough but still be back in early February.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 25, 2019, 11:48:49 AM
The entirety of the article.

Perhaps he'll miss Middlesbrough but still be back in early February.

the article that states he'll hopefully be back in February?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on January 25, 2019, 11:56:03 AM
the article that states he'll hopefully be back in February?

My immediate thought by DM comment was did he mean by the end of February, I sincerely hope not!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on January 25, 2019, 12:25:03 PM
philips has form for this - out with a niggle that goes on for weeks/months - then returns making little impact. Have to put this up as the wrong side of very worrying particularly given the lack of options in goal scoring and creative areas.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Windmill Baggy on January 25, 2019, 12:45:35 PM
the article that states he'll hopefully be back in February?

'hopefully for February, definitely.'

This comment along with others in the article play down the seriousness of the injury in my view.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on January 25, 2019, 12:54:31 PM
'hopefully for February, definitely.'

This comment along with others in the article play down the seriousness of the injury in my view.

to me that just means he's definitely hopeful he'll be fit in February!

Hopefully you're right and he'll be back in February as we definitely need a fit Phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2019, 12:40:38 PM
Matt Phillips is back out training on grass for West Brom

The sooner the better

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/02/05/matt-phillips-is-back-out-training-on-grass/
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on February 05, 2019, 12:45:24 PM
These comments from DM were made last Friday, I heard the interview. I hope this means he may figure at Stoke?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on February 05, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
Matt Phillips is back out training on grass for West Brom

The sooner the better

Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/02/05/matt-phillips-is-back-out-training-on-grass/

He'll be getting the munchies ! 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on February 09, 2019, 08:23:13 PM
Anyone got any idea when he's likely to be back available for selection?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: beechyboy90 on February 09, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
Anyone got any idea when he's likely to be back available for selection?

He will walk into the team when he's back
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigFrank20 on February 13, 2019, 10:03:32 AM
Any hard news on his possible reappearance in a Baggies shirt?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dan87uk on February 13, 2019, 10:09:52 AM
I think the initial assessment was end of Feb right?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BoingFlyer on February 13, 2019, 10:11:58 AM
Any hard news on his possible reappearance in a Baggies shirt?


Back in training but not contact by the look at it, after the villa game?

https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/02/05/matt-phillips-is-back-out-training-on-grass/
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on February 13, 2019, 12:43:19 PM
We certainly need him back ASAP. As has been said elsewhere however, he often makes a few below average appearances after injury before getting back to his best. The sooner the better for me and many others Im sure!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mister AT on February 20, 2019, 12:55:04 PM
So what are peoples thoughts on his position for the remainder of the season.

Does he come back in to the middle 3? Or has the emergence of Harper covered that position. (taking into account if Barry is the other starter, would DM play Harper and Phillips who both like to get forward).

Or does he come in to the front 3 (many fans including myself saw him replacing Barnes). Does he replace Murphy who has contributed to the team since arriving, or do one of Gayle/Jay miss out (unlikely).

Personally, I would like to see him back in the middle 3, but cautious about if that would mean Harper is the one to get replaced. Livermore seems to get a lot of game time and might be seen to be a better 'defensive' option than Rekeem to allow Matty to push on to create.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2019, 02:25:17 PM

Barry


Phillips                                     Harper


Rodriguez (for now)               Gayle                                Murphy


Would be my front 6. Johansen playing if Harper is fatigued.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on February 20, 2019, 09:16:09 PM
Barry


Phillips                                     Harper


Rodriguez (for now)               Gayle                                Murphy


Would be my front 6. Johansen playing if Harper is fatigued.

Agree with that but not against Sheff Utd, Phillips isn't match fit yet, I'd keep him on the bench and play your mate Livermore, particularly as they are quite physical.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2019, 09:42:20 PM
Agree with that but not against Sheff Utd, Phillips isn't match fit yet, I'd keep him on the bench and play your mate Livermore, particularly as they are quite physical.


Under no circumstances do I agree. If Phillips doesn't play we get more minutes into Johansen's legs.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on February 20, 2019, 09:56:31 PM
I'd start with Philips and bench Rodriguez who is one of the few players who hasn't had a rest, then bring him on when Phillips tires. with Gayle back down the middle and Murphy and Phillips out wide it wouldn't upset our shape at all.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on April 05, 2019, 08:22:59 PM
won't be back anytime soon.

Huge blow for West Brom as star man suffers injury during training

http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/980427578?-11200:789
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: section5 on April 05, 2019, 10:08:39 PM
Is he made of glass? Really feel a fully fit phillips over the next month's would have been the difference
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on April 06, 2019, 06:59:13 AM
He will walk into the team when he's back

We've got to get him walking first.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on April 06, 2019, 08:48:23 AM
That is so disappointing.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: iwastherein68 on April 06, 2019, 09:29:27 PM
That is so disappointing.
Can be a match winner, but I am afraid he is another player who we need to move on.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on April 06, 2019, 09:35:02 PM
Yep get rid. We can't afford to be babysitting players that are not going to be unavailable for half a season
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on April 07, 2019, 02:12:00 AM
Can be a match winner, but I am afraid he is another player who we need to move on.

Since Barnes has departed, he is the only player we have who can carry the ball from deep positions through the midfield into goalscoring positions. A vital player who we are missing right now.
I think alot of clubs would bite our hands off to get him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2019, 03:36:52 AM
If we got a decent offer there'd be no point keeping him. He's 28 so his injury proneness should only get worse, and even when he's not injured he's out of form most the time. You probably get about 15 decent games a season out him at best. There's a good player there but simply not reliable enough to be giving him the wages he's probably getting.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tuamigos on April 07, 2019, 07:50:23 AM
If we got a decent offer there'd be no point keeping him. He's 28 so his injury proneness should only get worse, and even when he's not injured he's out of form most the time. You probably get about 15 decent games a season out him at best. There's a good player there but simply not reliable enough to be giving him the wages he's probably getting.

Its the Morrison scenario all over again
We keep a player and keep patching him up hoping he can produce what we know he's capable of, the end game is we pay him fortunes for lying on a treatment table
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: frazzle on April 07, 2019, 09:24:52 AM
Is he made of glass? Really feel a fully fit phillips over the next month's would have been the difference

Agreed. Losing Phillips and Barnes has been our biggest issue in my view. More so than Moore.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on April 07, 2019, 09:32:51 AM
Yep all our best periods as a side over the past 3 seasons have been when Phillips has been in the side and with a few games under his belt (the Barnes contribution this year speaks for itself). We just cannot go into games without someone who can inject some pace and go past a player or two (especially when we need to win every game). Edwards had done nothing to deserve being left out yesterday.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on April 07, 2019, 09:34:40 AM
Yep all our best periods as a side over the past 3 seasons have been when Phillips has been in the side and with a few games under his belt (the Barnes contribution this year speaks for itself). We just cannot go into games without someone who can inject some pace and go past a player or two (especially when we need to win every game). Edwards had done nothing to deserve being left out yesterday.

I was just about to post this.  Whenever he’s been missing we’ve looked toothless.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BigFrank20 on April 07, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
Isn't there a special superglue for repairing broken glass? Maybe the medical department need to place a large order just for fixing up the super fragile MP?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on April 07, 2019, 12:30:39 PM
Get him fit hope for a couple of eye catching performances and sell him regardless of which division we end up in. He is 28 he  nearly always had a significant injury lay off each season and is slow to rediscover his best form afterwards. None of that is going to get better and he will lose a yard of pace over the next season or so.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 07, 2019, 05:46:54 PM
Its the Morrison scenario all over again. We keep a player and keep patching him up hoping he can produce what we know he's capable of, the end game is we pay him fortunes for lying on a treatment table

This. The medical department that could pick up players and put them back together (see Steven Reid) has moved on, and if we're in for our own austerity era we can't be frittering money away on players who aren't going to contribute.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 05, 2019, 10:45:34 PM
Birmingham Mail reporting a bid of around £2.2m from Besiktas in Turkey according to Turkish reports

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-receive-transfer-bid-16541051?fbclid=IwAR2lsdFqHJeKXZciEhZlhI3evFTmZTOMBSLLOZVs6OdJMqZVWAWo-X0qtEw
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba_1996 on July 05, 2019, 10:54:51 PM
Birmingham Mail reporting a bid of around £2.2m from Besiktas in Turkey according to Turkish reports

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/west-brom-receive-transfer-bid-16541051?fbclid=IwAR2lsdFqHJeKXZciEhZlhI3evFTmZTOMBSLLOZVs6OdJMqZVWAWo-X0qtEw

£2.2m... What's that for, a picture of him?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on July 05, 2019, 11:01:08 PM
£2.2m... What's that for, a picture of him?

Don’t think we need to be worried about him leaving for that price, not a chance
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on July 06, 2019, 12:09:59 AM
Don’t think we need to be worried about him leaving for that price, not a chance
didn't think Dawson would go for f all, so don't be surprised if he leaves for a fraction of what he's worth.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on July 06, 2019, 12:11:28 AM
didn't think Dawson would go for f all, so don't be surprised if he leaves for a fraction of what he's worth.

And don’t be surprised if you aren’t right either  :D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 06, 2019, 01:58:54 AM
While I think at £2.2m it is almost worth letting Phillips' contract run down and see what we want to do at the end of the season, I am afraid it does reflect the reality of the situation. Many of our players are on short contracts relatively old and their reputations have hardly been enhanced over the last couple of seasons, hence limited interest and relatively low fees.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Blowee on July 06, 2019, 06:02:10 AM
While I think at £2.2m it is almost worth letting Phillips' contract run down and see what we want to do at the end of the season, I am afraid it does reflect the reality of the situation. Many of our players are on short contracts relatively old and their reputations have hardly been enhanced over the last couple of seasons, hence limited interest and relatively low fees.
unfortunately, I agree and add to that his injuries this season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on July 06, 2019, 08:03:33 AM
On the injury front his hamstrings are the No. 1 issue though he managed to steer clear of further hamstring tweaks last season. After a full pre-season he played well 1st half of the season before his ankle issues started. Although he's only 28 and pretty much peak age, it is an age where he's not likely to reduce his injury count.

If he gets an injury free pre season, we could see him have a good 1st half the season again. He is though someone who tends to need 5 or games to get his match fitness back once he's been out with injury. It's difficult to say what a good price is for him now as he still could be our most dangerous player while fully fit. £5m or above I think we'd let him go....£4m could even be the cut off as we seem keen to get something back from those in the final year of their contracts.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: victor mature on July 06, 2019, 08:36:11 AM
Either the club or the agent must be advising his availability for us to get a bid. It's frustrating having a talented player in the squad who is often injured. I too would sell if the bid was  doubled.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 06, 2019, 08:53:12 AM
Anybody who thinks it's a good idea to sell Phillips is crazy. He's.our best attacking player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on July 06, 2019, 09:05:33 AM
Anybody who thinks it's a good idea to sell Phillips is crazy. He's.our best attacking player.
When he is fit and in form I agree but sadly those things don't happen enough , I wouldn't sell for less than 6m though.
He's a bit like having a sports car that looks top notch but breaks down every 3 months , like a car those going to happen more as he gets older.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on July 06, 2019, 09:12:38 AM
Phillips is one of them I would sell at the right price but £2.2m isn't half of it.

Good player yes but every single season we lose him for half of it and I include the time when he returns from his injuries because he comes back and looks about 80%. Does he gives us enough for £40K per week? I don't think he does considering his goal return for an attacking players isn't particularly high.

If the price is right sell on the proviso we bring in the right replacement, but don't give him away.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 06, 2019, 09:19:14 AM
When he is fit and in form I agree but sadly those things don't happen enough , I wouldn't sell for less than 6m though.
He's a bit like having a sports car that looks top notch but breaks down every 3 months , like a car those going to happen more as he gets older.


Generally agree with this I would also point out that 28 is not peak age for a winger they peak early and decline early there very  few other than occasional generational talent that have careers that stretch much into their 30's. I suspect his agent is looking at possibilities for one last payday either this year or next and probably in an more benign environment than the Championship.


While he is not earning £40k a week even at £25k he will be one of our better earners it is also the one position that we have some depth of cover (Burke Edwards Leko) the club has to balance what he brings to the table against the cost of him being here plus any fee that we forgo by running his contract down. Not sure what the answer is, it certainly isn't £2.2m but at £6m it is a clear sale. The tipping point is somewhere in between.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 06, 2019, 09:25:09 AM

Generally agree with this I would also point out that 28 is not peak age for a winger they peak early and decline early there very  few other than occasional generational talent that have careers that stretch much into their 30's. I suspect his agent is looking at possibilities for one last payday either this year or next and probably in an more benign environment than the Championship.


While he is not earning £40k a week even at £25k he will be one of our better earners it is also the one position that we have some depth of cover (Burke Edwards Leko) the club has to balance what he brings to the table against the cost of him being here plus any fee that we forgo by running his contract down. Not sure what the answer is, it certainly isn't £2.2m but at £6m it is a clear sale. The tipping point is somewhere in between.

Fair comment, £2.5m with add ons or £4mil would seem to be appropriate
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on July 06, 2019, 09:53:28 AM
Fair comment, £2.5m with add ons or £4mil would seem to be appropriate

You’d sell Phillips for £2.5 to £4m - is this a wind-up?

Why not just sell every single player left, not many of them anyway, then we can buy 21 new ones in the next month.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on July 06, 2019, 09:58:08 AM
You’d sell Phillips for £2.5 to £4m - is this a wind-up?

Why not just sell every single player left, not many of them anyway, then we can buy 21 new ones in the next month.
A reminder this is a forum , people have their views as much as you do , no need for " is this a wind up " and the likes .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Blowee on July 06, 2019, 10:14:17 AM
You’d sell Phillips for £2.5 to £4m - is this a wind-up?

Why not just sell every single player left, not many of them anyway, then we can buy 21 new ones in the next month.
We paid £5.5m for him three years ago. If we got £4m back for a player who is now 28 and has an injury track record that's not a terrible return. On that basis he has cost us £500,000 per season - you would get a decent loan player in for that amount and Phillips has only one season left on his contract.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: overseas baggie on July 06, 2019, 10:22:36 AM

Generally agree with this I would also point out that 28 is not peak age for a winger they peak early and decline early there very  few other than occasional generational talent that have careers that stretch much into their 30's. I suspect his agent is looking at possibilities for one last payday either this year or next and probably in an more benign environment than the Championship.


While he is not earning £40k a week even at £25k he will be one of our better earners it is also the one position that we have some depth of cover (Burke Edwards Leko) the club has to balance what he brings to the table against the cost of him being here plus any fee that we forgo by running his contract down. Not sure what the answer is, it certainly isn't £2.2m but at £6m it is a clear sale. The tipping point is somewhere in between.

Totally agree.  Anywhere around £5m is reasonable in the circumstances.   He is outstanding for about 10 games a season, but he consistently misses at least a third of the season through annoying injuries and then takes several games to get matchfit.

For around £5m we could buy a younger direct replacement with good resale value.  That has to be the way forward.

As an aside, he’s been the one player who I think we’ve missed more than any other when he’s been out injured, which only increases the frustration.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 06, 2019, 11:03:06 AM
You’d sell Phillips for £2.5 to £4m - is this a wind-up?

Why not just sell every single player left, not many of them anyway, then we can buy 21 new ones in the next month.

Where did I suggest we sell every single player left, surely your comment is irrational at best and shows no logical connection
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: paulosull on July 06, 2019, 12:27:50 PM
Phillips is worth 10 million plus in today's market, granted he's had his injury worries but what player hasn't?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 06, 2019, 12:48:41 PM
Phillips is worth 10 million plus in today's market, granted he's had his injury worries but what player hasn't?

100%. If he stays fit, he's will be one of the best performers in the league. He needs to be managed properly but I genuinely will smash every item of furniture in my house if we sell Phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Mr Cynical on July 06, 2019, 02:47:15 PM
Last year of his contract.  We need to cash in, or get him to sign a new contract. 

During the relegation season I was so frustrated by his complete lack of any courage, but last season I appreciated him as an attacker when he did play, but this wasn't really often enough.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: SmethDan on July 06, 2019, 03:56:19 PM
100%. If he stays fit, he's will be one of the best performers in the league. He needs to be managed properly but I genuinely will smash every item of furniture in my house if we sell Phillips.

If we sell Phillips you'll need to post a link to a YouTube video as proof of this  ;) .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on July 06, 2019, 04:09:09 PM
I think we would be crazy to sell Phillips. He is one of the few players we have who can power past more than one opponent at a time.  Has also scored some cracking goals.
People who then say, ah.. but we can buy in a replacement with the money. We won't pick up that sort of quality with the sums of money being mentioned. If Phillips was at another  club, and someone here suggested going in for him, there would messages, like 'get a grip', 'he's way out of our budget' etc.
The club is in a situation where we still have some Prem League assets, but diminishing every year. We should be trying to hold onto the best ones. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dexy on July 06, 2019, 04:10:12 PM
If we sell Phillips you'll need to post a link to a YouTube video as proof of this  ;) .
Will go well with my mate who said he'd get a Brunt tattoo if anybody but Appleton got the Albion job ....... ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on July 06, 2019, 05:46:30 PM
I think we would be crazy to sell Phillips. He is one of the few players we have who can power past more than one opponent at a time.  Has also scored some cracking goals.
People who then say, ah.. but we can buy in a replacement with the money. We won't pick up that sort of quality with the sums of money being mentioned. If Phillips was at another  club, and someone here suggested going in for him, there would messages, like 'get a grip', 'he's way out of our budget' etc.
The club is in a situation where we still have some Prem League assets, but diminishing every year. We should be trying to hold onto the best ones.

A rare outbreak of common sense. I agree. The squad is far too weak on quality and numbers so we need to bring players in, not sell our better players.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 06, 2019, 06:39:31 PM
A rare outbreak of common sense. I agree. The squad is far too weak on quality and numbers so we need to bring players in, not sell our better players.
If the squad is weak on numbers, then those numbers need to be fit,able and contributing.
Phillips has never been great at being fit and is getting worse (age) for me I'd take a decent bid of upwards 3.5m
There is no doubt e guy can play football but remember in the prem when he was bottling tackles, remeber all the gaps in service due to strains , remember when he comes back it take 4 matches to get up to speed....for me I'd also suggest he doesn't go at the man enough, he has the ability but plays within himself
Sell, improve
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2019, 11:09:12 AM
Being reported ont net that Vile are looking to sign Matty Phillips, I have no idea wether this is reliable

If correct that would not be good news for us IMO

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-want-to-sign-west-brom-star/
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 30, 2019, 11:11:01 AM
Being reported ont net that Vile are looking to sign Matty Phillips, I have no idea wether this is reliable

If correct that would not be good news for us IMO

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-want-to-sign-west-brom-star/
As long as the money is right and a replacement lined up no issue whatsoever. Undoubted ability but I’d question  a)his injury record and b) his bottle.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on July 30, 2019, 11:14:48 AM
How long left on Phillips contract?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: bradleysrocket on July 30, 2019, 11:15:32 AM
How long left on Phillips contract?
Just the one year I believe, unless we hold one of those extra year options.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on July 30, 2019, 11:20:14 AM
Hasn't he been relegated with every side he's played for in the top flight? If so let him go there.  ;D
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BAGGIES4LIFE on July 30, 2019, 11:39:16 AM
They have been after Phillips from Leeds for weeks. Maybe just ignorant journalism reaching extreme limits. Villa are really copying Fulhams blueprint from last year, good for them!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on July 30, 2019, 11:48:35 AM
They have been after Phillips from Leeds for weeks. Maybe just ignorant journalism reaching extreme limits. Villa are really copying Fulhams blueprint from last year, good for them!
copying Fulham’s blueprint with a worse squad and weaker manager. Interesting times ahead I’m sure.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on July 30, 2019, 12:37:36 PM
I see this as really bad news if correct. Regardless of injury record he is a quality player imo
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: AlbionFan on July 30, 2019, 12:39:16 PM
I do like Matty, but his injury problems did impact on us last season and the season before.

He is more prone than most to breaking down with groin injuries etc. So, if we get a good offer, I’d let him go and wish him well as he has not caused us any problems on or off the field of play and has been a model professional.

One proviso though, before selling him, we have a confirmed replacement in situ
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2019, 12:42:10 PM
I see this as really bad news if correct. Regardless of injury record he is a quality player imo

I agree on his quality, but,

Age = 28
Contract = 1 year
Value = declining
Fitness = played 28 to 30 games last 3 seasons
Commitment = ???

I can see a spreadsheet coming up with "a good offer and we sell"
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tex on July 30, 2019, 12:45:41 PM
Why on earth would we sell? We are already light in the attacking department and he is an impact player.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2019, 12:46:38 PM
Why on earth would we sell? We are already light in the attacking department and he is an impact player.

£££££'s
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on July 30, 2019, 12:52:48 PM
Get Perreira and Lowe in. Think with Phillips is, he may play 25-30 times but 10 of those games are usually between injuries and when he's trying and failing to come back.

Don't get me wrong, if we guaranteed 75% football at 100% i'd say no way to this, but if we can replace him with a younger, fitter version then i'm all ears.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggiebof on July 30, 2019, 01:18:35 PM
Villa have got Jota, El Gazi, Trezeguet and Green and arguably Kodja all vying for places out wide. I also expect to see Grealish pushed further forward this season with all of the acquisitions made in midfield so don't see there being much truth in this.

Re Phillips, as ever, I am happy to let any player go as long as they are adequately replaced. At his age, with his injury record allied to the fact that pacy wingers regress quicker than other positions as well as his contract situation, I wouldn't mind cashing in. That said, we are lacking a starting winger currently, selling Phillips means we would require 2 and there isn't long left in the window.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on July 30, 2019, 01:20:44 PM
Hope this is a non-starter. We would need to find another striker in the next 10 days, in addition to the one we've been struggling to find for the last month. But it would be a bad move for Phillips as well. Villa have 11 new signings already this window, so good chance he would spend much of the season on the bench.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MICKYMEL on July 30, 2019, 01:23:30 PM
Could mean we are closer to pereira deal than we thought.
But then again we would need another wide player on top.

Tough one really, when fit one of best in league but a big ‘when’
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBArgo on July 30, 2019, 01:34:33 PM
Said it in the pre-season, on his day he's great and I wouldn't doubt his attitude either. However, his injury problems are clear and always have been. Usually he's out in spells but it takes at least 3 games or so for him to get up and running again, a bit like Morrison used to I suppose.
I would sell him for the right price, it makes you wonder if the likes of Kodija would be involved?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 30, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
I'd be open to a deal providing the price is right and allows for a replacement.

Phillips has always looked a stand out player for us but when you consider that our midfield in previous years has been so pedestrian and one dimensional then it probably safe to say that perceptions of him have been raised

He is approaching the end of his peak years, suffers with consistent injury problems throughout the course of a season and if truth be told, we're probably moving away from the "beat your man and cross the ball", tony Pulis approach.

If this creates funds to sign a player or two whom will be available for the majority of the season & continue to reduce the overall age of the squad then I would consider it
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: kc56wba on July 30, 2019, 01:50:26 PM
No qualms from me if he goes as long as we get a BETTER replacement. ::)
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on July 30, 2019, 01:57:50 PM
No qualms from me if he goes as long as we get a BETTER replacement. ::)

Agreed, but easier said than done!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on July 30, 2019, 02:52:29 PM
I'd be open to a deal providing the price is right and allows for a replacement.

Phillips has always looked a stand out player for us but when you consider that our midfield in previous years has been so pedestrian and one dimensional then it probably safe to say that perceptions of him have been raised

He is approaching the end of his peak years, suffers with consistent injury problems throughout the course of a season and if truth be told, we're probably moving away from the "beat your man and cross the ball", tony Pulis approach.

If this creates funds to sign a player or two whom will be available for the majority of the season & continue to reduce the overall age of the squad then I would consider it

That way of creating goalchances will never dissapear, Pulis or not.
He also has a respectable goalscoring record from midfield, which is badly needed.
I don't understand this mentality of wanting to get rid of our best players, and then  sweating later  if we are going to get in better replacements before the window closes.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tex on July 30, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
agreed , he his a great player on his day and we need him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Dan on July 30, 2019, 03:43:10 PM
I doubt there's anything in this, the website "FootballInsider" doesn't seem at all a reliable source and the guy reporting the rumour judging by his twitter feed seems pretty unreliable. All his own work is just transfer links across the country, easy clicks.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on July 30, 2019, 03:48:10 PM
I think we should keep him, if he does go it should be to enable an incoming better player, nothing less.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on July 30, 2019, 04:24:45 PM
That way of creating goalchances will never dissapear, Pulis or not.
He also has a respectable goalscoring record from midfield, which is badly needed.
I don't understand this mentality of wanting to get rid of our best players, and then  sweating later  if we are going to get in better replacements before the window closes.
Remember getting dumped as a kid and saying "Go then, I'm not bothered anyway, ya tits am too small", then crying yourself to sleep?
Well, it's  a bit like that.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: geoff on July 30, 2019, 05:12:33 PM
Matty has quality stamped all over him, shame that that quality is to fragile.
Similar to Morrison for his last 2 seasons or so, on their day match winners
i would sell him for sure
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: BalisPen on July 30, 2019, 05:49:13 PM
I think it was fergie who said I wouldn't give that lot a virus when referring to helping Liverpool, or something similar, and I would subscribe to that normally when it comes to the dark side.

However, I would make an exception for MP, as he isn't reliable and therefore if it is a big fee I would sell him then in the hope he would be there sick boy, but given he only has a year left I think with us I doubt we would the big fee which should be between £15-£20m, if Maguire is £80m and Lewis Dunk £45m.

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Baggies on July 30, 2019, 05:55:53 PM
All depends on the fee. Can't see Villa stumping up anymore than £5 million for Phillips and with the transfer window closing in around about 9 days, and us already needing 1 winger and striker, i'm not sure if I trust our recruitment department to get the right deals over the line.

I personally like Phillips, as most on here do, but he isn't much more than a bottom 5 prem player and he is replaceable, especially as he blows hot and cold and has a poor injury record. If the club were to have good replacements lined up (so 2 wingers) then i'd get it for the right fee. I don't believe Villa will go for him though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tucka9 on July 30, 2019, 07:44:36 PM
Sheffield united and Brighton now being linked.

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Sheffield United and Brighton have made approaches to sign Matt Phillips.

The Prem duo are keen on capturing the winger before the window closes.

Phillips has one year left on his contract and is showing no sign of committing to a new one.

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Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gazberg on July 30, 2019, 07:48:03 PM
WOuld be mad to sell him unless we have a replacement lined up.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 30, 2019, 07:48:17 PM
It's a no from me unless it's 8 figures.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on July 30, 2019, 08:05:34 PM
I year left on his contract, high earner, 29 years of age. Any bid of 5 or 6 million and I think we will let him go tbh.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on July 30, 2019, 08:32:16 PM
It's a no from me unless it's 8 figures.

With his injury record, age and contract length then that will be 100& no then, i can't see us recouping that much.

He is worth that to us - but not to others.

Like i've said, if we can get 75% of the season out of him at full capacity then he's top draw for us.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 30, 2019, 08:42:42 PM
With his injury record, age and contract length then that will be 100& no then, i can't see us recouping that much.

He is worth that to us - but not to others.

Like i've said, if we can get 75% of the season out of him at full capacity then he's top draw for us.
But we can’t
Getting old now for a winger that relies on pace
One year left,too many injuries means he’s costing basically double his wage (for the frequency he plays) and takes far too long to get up to speed when returning..
Bottled many challenges too
5-7m I’d be packing his bags
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Yardley on July 30, 2019, 09:01:46 PM
If someone offers decent money then I’d let him go and put the money toward getting Gayle in. We already have a great winger in Edwards and as people have said we really don't see a lot of Philips throughout the season due to his injury record. And if we get Matheus Pereira then we will be a real threat on the counter
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: charlebaggie on July 30, 2019, 09:10:21 PM
With his injury record, age and contract length then that will be 100& no then, i can't see us recouping that much.

He is worth that to us - but not to others.

Like i've said, if we can get 75% of the season out of him at full capacity then he's top draw for us.
   People have not mentioned having an unhappy player.All this speculation is bound to turn his head ( Dawson for example).So cash in and get the best deal for us
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on July 30, 2019, 09:39:10 PM
I note that his picture was used today on the club's "4 days to go" Twitter post earlier.

I'm sure we're in no rush to move Matty on. Perhaps if the interest came earlier in the window, but with 4 days until the opener I can't see it happening. Especially as he's likely to be starting in an important attacking role due to our lack of forward options still.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 30, 2019, 09:51:53 PM
To be honest there doesn't seem to be much in these rumours all come from the not very good or interesting website Footballer insider, which seems to have a deal with Danny Mills and Darren Bent to comment on everything which is neither particularly insightful or even entertaining.

I would be shocked if any Premier League club came in for Phillips and would be doubly shocked if that Premier League club was Villa they have already signed 2 right wingers and it hard to see what adding Matt Phillips to their squad would achieve.

My position on him is sell for a reasonable fee £5m plus it is the one position on the pitch we have reasonable cover e.g. Edwards, Burke and Leko and even then I would happily swap one of those for a left footed equivalent.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: halifax_baggie on July 30, 2019, 09:52:58 PM
Take as much as we can get, 8 days to go, It is not beyond belief that we haven't planned for this approach, not the best of timing but not unexpected

Most of us were expecting another 3 players, now it may be four
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on July 30, 2019, 09:59:41 PM
If Billic dips into this forum, I doubt he would be too impressed with comments suggesting
time to move Phillips on. Reading between the lines, you can tell he has a problem with the number of first team players lost from last season, so I'm sure he wouldn't be over the moon at losing one of the remaining top players.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on July 30, 2019, 10:36:52 PM
If someone offers decent money then I’d let him go and put the money toward getting Gayle in. We already have a great winger in Edwards and as people have said we really don't see a lot of Philips throughout the season due to his injury record. And if we get Matheus Pereira then we will be a real threat on the counter

No evidence yet to suggest Edwards is up to Phillips standard. Hope he gets there of course
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: wba_1996 on July 30, 2019, 10:40:24 PM
I can't see there being any genuine interest if I'm honest. Experienced and British isn't the type of player that the lower Prem clubs are targeting nowadays with the absence of dinosaur managers, apart from Dyche's uninspiring Burnley who haven't been linked.

I wouldn't entertain anything below £8m with the lack of time to get a replacement, plus the fact we need another winger as it is.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2019, 11:52:46 PM
1 cautionary thought, whilst I agree that with the right money being put on the table I would have to let him go, it’s unreasonable to assume that any of the kids can fill the gap throughout a full season in the championship, we will have to have a replacement despite the potential that the lads have
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 31, 2019, 06:32:45 AM
1 cautionary thought, whilst I agree that with the right money being put on the table I would have to let him go, it’s unreasonable to assume that any of the kids can fill the gap throughout a full season in the championship, we will have to have a replacement despite the potential that the lads have

No this is wrong. While there is a risk in playing youngsters it is one we have to take. Given Phillips on past performance is unlikely to play more than 30 games the understudy  than will get 10 to 16 games which is roughly 30% of the minutes anyway. There might be an argument if the responsibility fell solely on the shoulders of say Edwards but there are 2 other potential replacements already in the squad in Burke and Leko.

I would also point out we are pursuing to general approval a 22 and 23 year old to come into the team as key players and those players are only a year or so older than Edwards the same age as Burke and a couple of years older than Leko.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: johnny Cash on July 31, 2019, 07:01:14 AM
Although Burke, Leko and Edwards can fill the gap physically, I think it’s fair to say their are serious doubts weather any are up to the required standard.  The way things look at the moment Burke needs to cover the striker position too.

I’d sell Philips for £7-8m if he’s in his last year. If he had 2 years or more I’d probably keep him given the business we still need to do but the contract position adds some pressure I think.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: mulliganstired on July 31, 2019, 07:33:27 AM
Match winner on his day, but that has only really been a handful of games each season.  In a 4231 he could be a crucial ingredient going forward, but I don't see how we could refuse a decent offer over 5 mill with 1 year left on his contract, as long as we have time to use the money for replacement(s).
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on July 31, 2019, 08:02:12 AM
Our most dangerous attacking player..on his day unplayable. Offer him a new contract. Selling this criminally underrated playerfor anything less than 10 mil would be stupid. Keep him fit and he will tear up this league.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on July 31, 2019, 08:04:52 AM
If we can get close to 10 million we should undoubtedly sell him. With his injury record and one year on contract it makes perfect sense. You have to seriously doubt him influencing our season across enough of the 40 odd games
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Hull Baggie on July 31, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
According to the Brummie Mail Villa haven't even been in touch about him.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/matt-phillips-brom-villa-transfer-16668548

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: seteefeet on July 31, 2019, 09:00:37 AM
According to the Brummie Mail Villa haven't even been in touch about him.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/matt-phillips-brom-villa-transfer-16668548
I can't see it to be honest, they have too many similar players.
As for Phillips, I'm easy on either way. As has been said many times, on his day he is a wonderful talent, trouble is, these days are few and far between and usually interspersed with injuries and subsequent periods of poor form.
Don't get me wrong, if we could keep him fit and at the top of his game, I would say sign him up to a long term deal but that would be just as risky as letting him go.
Difficult one for the DoF but, I think, if a genuine offer comes in, he will be sold.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: tommcneill on July 31, 2019, 09:07:09 AM
I dont want to see him go but if a move meant we could finance Perreira and say a Maupay or Gayle forward it would be worth it for me
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on July 31, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
If we can get close to 10 million we should undoubtedly sell him. With his injury record and one year on contract it makes perfect sense. You have to seriously doubt him influencing our season across enough of the 40 odd games
Taking into consideration what you (correctly) say in your 2nd two sentences, nobody is going to offer close to £10 million. It's just not going to happen.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggies_24 on July 31, 2019, 12:46:57 PM
With Sheffield United agreeing a fee for McBernie that takes them out of the race for Maupay. If we had assurances from Maupay that he’d join the club i’d sell Phillips to fund a move for Maupay. As long as we still had money left to get someone like Pereira in on loan to replace Phillips I’d do the deal.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 31, 2019, 01:32:14 PM
Our most dangerous attacking player..on his day unplayable. Offer him a new contract. Selling this criminally underrated playerfor anything less than 10 mil would be stupid. Keep him fit and he will tear up this league.

Keep him fit is the telling phrase.

That in itself is a struggle.

And then there's a four, five game period where he is non-existent prior to establishing some rhythm and form.

Whilst he is a useful asset to us, if money is offered which enables us to do deals within the side elsewhere, then it is something I would give consideration to
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on July 31, 2019, 08:37:28 PM
If we don't get much of fee then fine keep him for another season but under no circumstances should we even think about offering him another contract.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Brooklynbaggie on August 14, 2019, 03:57:09 AM
Considering we have quite a few wider options, why not play Marty up front? He knows where the goal is and has a presence. Did he not do this for Scotland at some point?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 14, 2019, 06:50:29 AM
Considering we have quite a few wider options, why not play Marty up front? He knows where the goal is and has a presence. Did he not do this for Scotland at some point?

 Yes he did and I'm sure he's being considered as back-up in that role. It's far too early for plan B just yet though, we need the wide players to be providing plenty of attacking threat in the box also.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gazberg on August 14, 2019, 11:47:42 AM
Would be streets ahead of Burke up front anyway. Nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on August 14, 2019, 12:44:32 PM
He didn't look right Saturday - I'm not sure he's fully fit, as he was hiding from the ball and not really driving forward when he had it.

I'm sure we'll be looking to use all the players well over a 46 game season, but it's too early to be talking about moving players in as strikers.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on August 14, 2019, 12:47:36 PM
Phillips can't play with his back to goal he isn't a striker. He's best when he can carry the ball.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on August 14, 2019, 04:26:30 PM
Phillips can't play with his back to goal he isn't a striker. He's best when he can carry the ball.
Strikers don't have to play with their back to goal. Just 2 examples Gayle and Kevin Phillips.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: NathWBA on August 14, 2019, 04:45:29 PM
I do think Phillips would score 10-15 goals if played wide in a front three with a decent centre forward.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on August 14, 2019, 09:43:10 PM
Strikers don't have to play with their back to goal. Just 2 examples Gayle and Kevin Phillips.


They are natural instinctive goalscorers Phillips isn't.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on August 21, 2019, 11:41:19 PM
Thought Phillips had one of his best games for a while. Was a handful for their defenders  and contributed to some of the best link up play. Deserved to be kept on until the end. Combined well with Furlong who is going to provide some stiff competition for Ferguson.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: jamesh_91 on August 21, 2019, 11:52:12 PM
The guy was good for 60 minutes today and after that was absolutely knackered and should of come off.

I'd like to see a bit more end product from him though.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: beechyboy90 on August 22, 2019, 05:47:22 AM
The guy was good for 60 minutes today and after that was absolutely knackered and should of come off.

I'd like to see a bit more end product from him though.

I tend to agree with this Phillips has 70 minutes in him and less if he plays multiple games in a short amount of time. We can't afford to play him to much and when we have options no risk in him burning out and getting injured.

He was good tonight and he was helped by furlong making space for him
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on August 30, 2019, 01:21:03 PM
Signed a new 3 year deal!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwick2 on August 30, 2019, 01:26:39 PM
Signed a new 3 year deal!

Big commitment by the club considering he has the potential of not being fully fit for chunks of the season, on his day though one of the best in the championship so worth while gamble for me
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 30, 2019, 02:13:34 PM
obviously harmony at the club after the benidorm rumours. nice one
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: VANDERLEI on August 30, 2019, 02:24:58 PM
Great move by the club, one of our most talented players signed up for the next 3 years. I'm buzzing!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: OllieTheBaggie on August 30, 2019, 02:26:41 PM
Good decision imo depending on wage agreements, really like Matty and I'm pleased that one of our key players has committed his long term future here. It can only bode well for the atmosphere/confidence behind the scenes.

Might be being greedy, but Gibbs or Hegazi next please 🤞
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on August 30, 2019, 02:40:38 PM
wiki has MP as 28, assuming thats correct 3 years sounds about right to me
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on August 30, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
Good decision imo depending on wage agreements, really like Matty and I'm pleased that one of our key players has committed his long term future here. It can only bode well for the atmosphere/confidence behind the scenes.

Might be being greedy, but Gibbs or Hegazi next please 🤞

Kyle Edwards and Nathan Ferguson would be good!
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on August 30, 2019, 03:53:11 PM
Signal of intent. The club must be happy with his fitness levels.

More importantly shows that Matty is happy and committed here.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: divinewind on August 30, 2019, 10:34:29 PM
Good to see a player of his quality committing himself to our club.  People should realise this and get off his back instead of moaning like they did with Brunt.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2019, 01:16:05 AM
Never really been on the Phillips bandwagon and as such can't say that I'm all that happy with the prospect of having him hanging around for the next 3 years.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on August 31, 2019, 11:10:28 AM
Never really been on the Phillips bandwagon and as such can't say that I'm all that happy with the prospect of having him hanging around for the next 3 years.

Just to add, something I read (think it was the Bilic interview) suggested that the 3 years meant the end of this season and then two more, rather than 3 more years after this year.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2019, 11:46:05 AM
Just to add, something I read (think it was the Bilic interview) suggested that the 3 years meant the end of this season and then two more, rather than 3 more years after this year.

Just checked the club website reported as to June 2022, not quite so bad.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on August 31, 2019, 12:12:09 PM
Just checked the club website reported as to June 2022, not quite so bad.

Yeah I mean he’s one of our better players on his day. When he hit his purple patch under Pulis? And was assisting or scoring every game he was very good. I do worry about his injury record and that he can’t seem to last more than an hour each game though.

Another thought, what sort of wage do you think he’s managed to secure by signing his contract now rather than in the Premier League? I can only imagine he’s got a clause in there for an increase if we get promoted, which at least gives him something to really play for.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on August 31, 2019, 12:12:39 PM
Sensible move as it protects his value if we need to look to sell him next summer.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on August 31, 2019, 12:58:08 PM
Yeah I mean he’s one of our better players on his day. When he hit his purple patch under Pulis? And was assisting or scoring every game he was very good. I do worry about his injury record and that he can’t seem to last more than an hour each game though.

Another thought, what sort of wage do you think he’s managed to secure by signing his contract now rather than in the Premier League? I can only imagine he’s got a clause in there for an increase if we get promoted, which at least gives him something to really play for.

No idea, but I doubt he has taken a pay cut to stay and I am guessing his wages would rise on promotion in the way they fell when he was relegated.

The infamous purple patch is now 3 years old and very rarely has he got close to those heights and at 28 I doubt he will now. Contracts are not rewards for past achievement but a commitment to the future. In Phillips case that future is unlikely to be better than the his current level of  performance.

In theory he should be absolutely unplayable at Championship level. He isn't nor was he at QPR. He does not score enough goals does not have a trick to beat set defences and is heavily reliant on his diminishing pace.

The fact that at times he could be legitimately labelled as one of our better players based on an 8 weeks purple patch and not much else is an indictment of the state of the squad and how badly it's age profile has been managed. This looks like another mistake in this regard.

p.s. Fully expect him to score a hat trick of worldies today just to make me look foolish and I would be happy with that outcome

Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: TheBrom on August 31, 2019, 05:54:45 PM
No idea, but I doubt he has taken a pay cut to stay and I am guessing his wages would rise on promotion in the way they fell when he was relegated.

The infamous purple patch is now 3 years old and very rarely has he got close to those heights and at 28 I doubt he will now. Contracts are not rewards for past achievement but a commitment to the future. In Phillips case that future is unlikely to be better than the his current level of  performance.

In theory he should be absolutely unplayable at Championship level. He isn't nor was he at QPR. He does not score enough goals does not have a trick to beat set defences and is heavily reliant on his diminishing pace.

The fact that at times he could be legitimately labelled as one of our better players based on an 8 weeks purple patch and not much else is an indictment of the state of the squad and how badly it's age profile has been managed. This looks like another mistake in this regard.

p.s. Fully expect him to score a hat trick of worldies today just to make me look foolish and I would be happy with that outcome

Totally understand and have similar feelings about him. Whilst he was excellent for 20 mins today he was again knackered after half time and offered not a lot in the second half. This season we have an abundance of wingers though so hopefully we’ll be able to keep it fresh
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: caravanc58 on August 31, 2019, 06:44:05 PM
looks like he's lost a bit of pace to me, ref would have been badly positioned but it looked like Phillips was holding the Blackburn players arm when he raced through to score. about time we had a bit of fortune off the officials.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2019, 06:58:36 PM
I can understand the reservations about his deal but I don't think we should overlook the fact that the first half of last season he was very good and was lasting 90 minutes after a full pre season. He got injured at the same time as Barnes went back which severely diminished our cutting edge.

I'd rather not tempt fate by saying this, but his hamstrings are holding up better than they were (an ankle injury was the main problem last  year). Our match day squad is stronger when he's in it and is likely to be next year also. Hopefully Edwards and Leko improve further and push him down the pecking order but that competition is good for the squad.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: lewisant on August 31, 2019, 07:13:21 PM
looks like he's lost a bit of pace to me, ref would have been badly positioned but it looked like Phillips was holding the Blackburn players arm when he raced through to score. about time we had a bit of fortune off the officials.

I watched that twice and i'd say six of one half a dozen of the other.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gazberg on August 31, 2019, 07:14:16 PM
Sensible move really. He could move for very little come Jan and nothing not long after. Wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of getout clause if we don't go up but just means we will get some cash for him.

When he's fully fit and firing, i know thats not often these days granted, he is easily PL class.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on August 31, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
Don't understand why some people seem to be on his back. He turned in another top performance today, involved in some of our best moves, and unlucky not to get a second with his shot off the bar. He has a decent change of pace and is powerful on the ball, and usually a decent cross. A few wayward shots maybe, but then Billic seems to have instructed players to shoot more. Not saying he can always turn it on for 90 minutes, but really pleased he's committed himself here for a couple more years.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on August 31, 2019, 08:41:08 PM
I watched that twice and i'd say six of one half a dozen of the other.
Yes I'd agree. Think the defender cut across to take his ground but Phillips used his strength legitimately to get past him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on September 14, 2019, 05:47:06 PM
Not at all sure about this 3 year contract for Phillips. On his day he can be a match winner, but he is really inconsistent and can go quite a few matches where he is anonymous bordering on the poor, today being one example. Given this inconsistency and his injury record, I think it may turn out to be an expensive mistake.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: KN22 on September 14, 2019, 06:14:13 PM
He was poor today but that doesn’t mean the contract he has been given is an error. We will see of course
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on September 14, 2019, 06:15:13 PM
Not at all sure about this 3 year contract for Phillips. On his day he can be a match winner, but he is really inconsistent and can go quite a few matches where he is anonymous bordering on the poor, today being one example. Given this inconsistency and his injury record, I think it may turn out to be an expensive mistake.
Don't think its helpful picking on individuals like this. I don't think Phillips played badly enough to be picked out like that. He just didn't get the right service today as the tactics seemed to be wrong first half. Last game v Blackburn, I thought he was very powerful on the ball, getting past his man and delivering dangerous crosses.  We're lucky we have 4 top wingers, of which he is one, but none of them are going to be on the boil for 90 minutes every game.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gazberg on September 14, 2019, 06:15:52 PM
I think it's just to ensure we get something for him. I dont expect him to see out the 3 years.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on September 14, 2019, 07:05:02 PM
Don't think its helpful picking on individuals like this. I don't think Phillips played badly enough to be picked out like that. He just didn't get the right service today as the tactics seemed to be wrong first half. Last game v Blackburn, I thought he was very powerful on the ball, getting past his man and delivering dangerous crosses.  We're lucky we have 4 top wingers, of which he is one, but none of them are going to be on the boil for 90 minutes every game.
I wasn't "picking on him". Isn't a fans forum for giving your opinion? Whether it is helpful or not (whatever that means) is neither here nor there. As I said, on his day he can be a match winner. Today though he was ineffective and anonymous. I took the trouble to look through some of your previous posts, and it is quite clear that you see Matt Phillips through rose coloured glasses, never missing an opportunity to praise him, and rarely having anything bad to say about him. I get it, he's your favourite player, but that doesn't mean he is above criticism.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on September 15, 2019, 12:44:15 AM
I wasn't "picking on him". Isn't a fans forum for giving your opinion? Whether it is helpful or not (whatever that means) is neither here nor there. As I said, on his day he can be a match winner. Today though he was ineffective and anonymous. I took the trouble to look through some of your previous posts, and it is quite clear that you see Matt Phillips through rose coloured glasses, never missing an opportunity to praise him, and rarely having anything bad to say about him. I get it, he's your favourite player, but that doesn't mean he is above criticism.
No player is above criticism, but you go further than that, suggesting we were wrong to extend his contract. That when any club in the division would bite our arm off for him if he was out of contract. When I say its 'unhelpful', I'm sure players read these forums, and if I was Phillips I'd be fairly **** off reading your comments having just committed myself to the club for 3 years. His interview in the last match programme came across very positive towards what the club is doing. I also don't know why you have to bring up his injury record when he hasn't missed any games this season. I only occasionally openly criticise a player, and then if they fail to show any qualities over a long period e.g. Burke. As it happens, I think Edwards had more of an impact today, but that can change next week. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on September 15, 2019, 07:55:03 AM
Phillips has the contract whether or not it was a wise move is neither here nor there. He had a poor game and this wasn't helped by Edwards who replaced him doing more in 20 minutes than Phillips had managed in 70. In defence of Phillips when Edwards replaced him the game dynamics had changed a little Fulham were sitting on their lead (huge mistake that happens so often) and we were throwing caution to the wind in pursuit of an equaliser so the for the first time we were playing more in Fulham's half rather than our own. 
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 15, 2019, 09:14:58 AM
No player is above criticism, but you go further than that, suggesting we were wrong to extend his contract. That when any club in the division would bite our arm off for him if he was out of contract. When I say its 'unhelpful', I'm sure players read these forums, and if I was Phillips I'd be fairly **** off reading your comments having just committed myself to the club for 3 years. His interview in the last match programme came across very positive towards what the club is doing. I also don't know why you have to bring up his injury record when he hasn't missed any games this season. I only occasionally openly criticise a player, and then if they fail to show any qualities over a long period e.g. Burke. As it happens, I think Edwards had more of an impact today, but that can change next week.
I also think we were wrong to give him the extension (based on playing) but would have if I intended to sell next window
Let’s be fair , he can play football, when he wants to he can turn a defender BUT, IF YOU GIVE HIM A 3 year he will play maybe 18 months, when we were going down he was bottling tackles and when he comes back from injury he takes 6 matches to get in properly
Football teams must evolve and we now have better options, 6m and he’s out for me .
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Jeb-Dog on September 15, 2019, 09:15:25 AM
All three attacking players behind Austin were shackled well by Fulham today. It’s no coincidence whoever is coming off the bench is having an impact. By 70-75 minutes teams are knackered against us as they are having to work hard to deny us space. Tired legs vs Edwards, Diangana, etc... gives those guys a yard more pace and space.

It’s probably why we finish games we’ll and come from behind so often.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on September 15, 2019, 09:21:33 AM
All three attacking players behind Austin were shackled well by Fulham today. It’s no coincidence whoever is coming off the bench is having an impact. By 70-75 minutes teams are knackered against us as they are having to work hard to deny us space. Tired legs vs Edwards, Diangana, etc... gives those guys a yard more pace and space.

It’s probably why we finish games we’ll and come from behind so often.
If that is the case we have to be clever with the subs (yesterday worked) but we also need to be smarter in the first 70 because you cannot get out of jail every week
We need a run of 3/6 clean sheets
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on September 15, 2019, 01:10:31 PM
No player is above criticism, but you go further than that, suggesting we were wrong to extend his contract. That when any club in the division would bite our arm off for him if he was out of contract. When I say its 'unhelpful', I'm sure players read these forums, and if I was Phillips I'd be fairly **** off reading your comments having just committed myself to the club for 3 years. His interview in the last match programme came across very positive towards what the club is doing. I also don't know why you have to bring up his injury record when he hasn't missed any games this season. I only occasionally openly criticise a player, and then if they fail to show any qualities over a long period e.g. Burke. As it happens, I think Edwards had more of an impact today, but that can change next week.
1 You make this statement as if it was a fact instead of merely your opinion, but in any case the evidence suggests otherwise. As far as I know, no club in either the Premier League or the Championship made a bid for him either in the last window or the one before that. Apart from anything else, about half of the Championship clubs wouldn't be able to afford his wages.
2 I doubt very much if Matt Phillips gives a to$$ what I think. Are you seriously suggesting that we should not criticise players when whey play poorly in case we hurt their feelings or dent their confidence?
3 I bring up his injury record because it is relevant to the discussion about his contract being extended. He virtually never gets through a whole season without being injured and missing a good few games, which is one factor when assessing how good a value he is to us. Also, once he does come back to fitness, it always seems to take him 4 or 5 games to get up to full speed again, which is another factor to take into consideration in the discussion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: boinging_along on September 15, 2019, 02:34:31 PM
On his day Phillips is excellent but players will have off days.  Too often these days if a player has a bad day we talk as if he's finished and we need to get rid.  We should just move on and get behind the team.  If he keeps playing poorly then trust the manager will do the right thing. 

It's all well and good that Edwards looked a better option when he came on, but from Edwards is not as consistant.  Coming on as sub against a tired side suited him yesterday, would I start him ahead of Phillips based off this 1 game so far this season?  No.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on September 15, 2019, 03:00:48 PM
Too many off games coming through. 1 out of 4 games is just not good enough in this league.
Needs to knuckle down, concentrate and apply himself.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on September 15, 2019, 04:01:50 PM
Agreed that Edwards was far sharper and more of a threat yesterday, but I've also seen him having periods out of the game or where nothing's come off. But if he has one of those games next week, I won't be writing we should be looking to get rid. I think wingers are inherently more inconsistent than say centre backs, though some never show anything, such as Burke.
On Phillips, I don't think we have that many attacking options (remembering Dianga isn't our player). Anyway, I think Billic seriously rates him, based on an interview he gave a few weeks ago.   
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 30, 2019, 09:02:18 AM
Absolute disgrace yesterday. He's back to doing what he was doing when we got relegated - hiding from passes, leaving his full back exposed, and running down blind alleys to no effect. He's a confidence player, and if he hasn't got any playing for a team in the position we're in, then I don't know what we can do with him.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: GREGMT on December 30, 2019, 09:09:08 AM
Tried hard IMO.  Remember him with a few lung bursting runs down the wing 1st half. Looked up for a cross and we had HRK against 4 Boro defenders.  Not his fault the pedestrian midfield couldnt supply presence in their box.  Really disagree TBH.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2019, 09:19:37 AM
Absolute disgrace yesterday. He's back to doing what he was doing when we got relegated - hiding from passes, leaving his full back exposed, and running down blind alleys to no effect. He's a confidence player, and if he hasn't got any playing for a team in the position we're in, then I don't know what we can do with him.

Cant agree with that at all.

I thought he went quiet yesterday as the game went on, but as Greg points out he put a killer ball into the box in the first half and he did some good work. I just don't think he is 100%, but to call him a disgrace is out of order.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2019, 09:21:24 AM
Thought he had little impact despite working hard. Few quality crosses in. Bottled at least one 50:50.

He needs someone to challenge him for his place imho.
 Matty is a confidence player -ideally he needs a recharge on the bench for a couple of games but we can see our depth of squad is lacking to enable that.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Standaman on December 30, 2019, 09:42:36 AM
Phillips is a winger in decline he has lost a yard of pace and can't do more than 60 minutes at anything close to full intensity and absolutely hasn't got two games a week in his legs. If we rotate him and Edwards between now and the end of the season we should be okay. But to be able to this we need Diangana back
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2019, 10:26:05 AM
It was mentioned during an international break that he was having injections for an ongoing foot/ankle problem so that may still be lurking. Yes we definitely need to get an extra wide player in if Diangana goes back.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2019, 10:32:51 AM
Phillip's annoys me he is so wasteful on the ball. If he can't surge past someone he offers very little else. We definitely could do with an upgrade on him. He has one good game in about ten.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2019, 10:57:36 AM
Imo he is not going to get any better and should be used as a makeweight to bring in a watkins/ Bowen.
Cannot deny when fit and “on it” he can be a good player, however he’s gone from a 1 good game in 3 to a 1/7 and we need better
Look how pereira gets stuck in as does Diangana, Phillips always always pulls out .
We are also desperate for width, but he seems to be pulling himself ever closer to the centre and even when he is wide he’s usually static..
For where we want to get to, he’s not one of the answers
Sell
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2019, 11:34:19 AM
Imo he is not going to get any better and should be used as a makeweight to bring in a watkins/ Bowen.
Cannot deny when fit and “on it” he can be a good player, however he’s gone from a 1 good game in 3 to a 1/7 and we need better
Look how pereira gets stuck in as does Diangana, Phillips always always pulls out .
We are also desperate for width, but he seems to be pulling himself ever closer to the centre and even when he is wide he’s usually static..
For where we want to get to, he’s not one of the answers
Sell
We can't sell him because there hasn't been a ****** of interest from other clubs. Why on earth we gave a new three year contract to a player who performs well about 6 games a season, is anonymous or injured for the rest of the games, and is scared to put in a decent tackle, I have no idea. It was a terrible decision, right up there with extending the contracts of Brunt and HRK. When a player is clearly on a downward path in his career, then is the time to let the contract run down and get rid, as we correctly did with James Morrison for example. Instead we are lumbered with wages for players who are no longer fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: GREGMT on December 30, 2019, 11:52:08 AM
Shocked at the level of criticism directed at Phillips.  Only 3 weeks ago he was sublime v Swansea. Still 2nd in goalscoring charts behind Austin who only has 1 more.  As I already pointed out the times he crossed yesterday there was 1 bloke in the box only.  What's he expected to do jink past 4 players and bend 1 in the top corner?  Even Pereira rarely dies that.  I suggest we get off his back and stop taking out frustration on one man when it's several players collectively that is the issue.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2019, 12:17:24 PM
I thought Phillips actually did more yesterday than Pereira in terms of end product. *Hides behind sofa*
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2019, 12:18:50 PM
Shocked at the level of criticism directed at Phillips.  Only 3 weeks ago he was sublime v Swansea. Still 2nd in goalscoring charts behind Austin who only has 1 more.  As I already pointed out the times he crossed yesterday there was 1 bloke in the box only.  What's he expected to do jink past 4 players and bend 1 in the top corner?  Even Pereira rarely dies that.  I suggest we get off his back and stop taking out frustration on one man when it's several players collectively that is the issue.
It is indeed several players...but this is the Phillips thread ?
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 30, 2019, 12:57:18 PM
I thought Phillips actually did more yesterday than Pereira in terms of end product. *Hides behind sofa*

There was no end product yesterday. We didn't create one really good chance, but at least Pereria was showing for the ball and trying to make things happen. Phillips constantly put himself in positions where Furlong couldn't find him, and had to go backwards; he was hiding because he didn't want the responsibility. Like James McClean or Dave Edwards, he has a way of looking like he's giving his all for the team, but in reality he's doing things which take him out of the game or absolve him of responsibility.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2019, 01:59:51 PM
There was no end product yesterday. We didn't create one really good chance, but at least Pereria was showing for the ball and trying to make things happen. Phillips constantly put himself in positions where Furlong couldn't find him, and had to go backwards; he was hiding because he didn't want the responsibility. Like James McClean or Dave Edwards, he has a way of looking like he's giving his all for the team, but in reality he's doing things which take him out of the game or absolve him of responsibility.
Nail on head
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: baggie82 on December 30, 2019, 02:32:12 PM
There was no end product yesterday. We didn't create one really good chance, but at least Pereria was showing for the ball and trying to make things happen. Phillips constantly put himself in positions where Furlong couldn't find him, and had to go backwards; he was hiding because he didn't want the responsibility. Like James McClean or Dave Edwards, he has a way of looking like he's giving his all for the team, but in reality he's doing things which take him out of the game or absolve him of responsibility.

My biggest worry with Phillips is his lack of fitness. He never seems to able to play more than an hour and always looks shattered. Still an important player for us though and generally I think he's done okay this season.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: colinmax on December 30, 2019, 04:32:33 PM
I was going to post today but it seems most people agree with me.
To sum up
1 good at running with ball but can not beat a player
2 Pulls out of tackles
3 Has hardly done anything in last couple of months
4 Looks unfit and looks as if he is running through treacle in last 30 minutes of most games
5 should be sold  for any sensible price if an offer comes in
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: skyclad99 on December 30, 2019, 05:00:36 PM
I was going to post today but it seems most people agree with me.
To sum up
1 good at running with ball but can not beat a player
2 Pulls out of tackles
3 Has hardly done anything in last couple of months
4 Looks unfit and looks as if he is running through treacle in last 30 minutes of most games
5 should be sold  for any sensible price if an offer comes in

You forgot to mention joint top goal scorer this season.....
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: we8seals on December 31, 2019, 05:59:27 PM
Philips is a busted flush - particularly in the system Slav wants to play. In that system the three behind the striker all of them (or at least two of the three) in every game for us to be effective. Currently too much is on the shoulders of Perrreira  A new winger and a striker are absolutely top priorities. In my dreams we get a full back, centre half and a centre mid. It wont happen so hold on to your hats fellas, going to be a bumby ride.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2019, 06:03:50 PM
Philips is a busted flush - particularly in the system Slav wants to play. In that system the three behind the striker all of them (or at least two of the three) in every game for us to be effective. Currently too much is on the shoulders of Perrreira  A new winger and a striker are absolutely top priorities. In my dreams we get a full back, centre half and a centre mid. It wont happen so hold on to your hats fellas, going to be a bumby ride.


I agree Pereira is carrying us on his own as an attacking threat at the moment. He needs help before he gets inebriated off and starts thinking (subconsciously) what's the point.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: alex1 on December 31, 2019, 06:12:47 PM
Phillips has a decent burst of pace which takes him past several defenders at once. He is dependant on getting the right ball, though sometimes he goes deep to collect it. v Brentford I was watching him waiting for such a thro pass, but it didn't come. He also has a very decent cross and he strikes the ball well, which means he is one of our regular scorers.
I think we need strengthening in the wing department, but Phillips should definitely be kept as one of our options.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: P Anderson on January 02, 2020, 12:49:59 PM
Thought he was awful last night. Didn’t offer much, considering he is one of our more experienced players. Left furlong exposed an awful lot in the second half. Needs dropping for a few games to get his hunger back in my opinion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Albionic on January 02, 2020, 01:10:45 PM
It was horrible watching how exposed Furlong was, for this reason alone Matt needs dropping, our fullbacks overlapping was a major asset earlier in the season, now we seem to be far more conservative angst if Matt is not capable of working with the full back he has to be dropped imo
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: Adder on January 02, 2020, 01:13:02 PM
Thought he was awful last night. Didn’t offer much, considering he is one of our more experienced players. Left furlong exposed an awful lot in the second half. Needs dropping for a few games to get his hunger back in my opinion.
We can't afford to drop him at the moment and I don't think he was awful last night. Yes he should have taken his chance but he curved his run well to stay onside and at least he was there making the run....should have scored but what's the percentage of 1 on 1's that are converted ? it's not as easy as it looks sometimes.
Regarding leaving Furlong exposed, we don't know what his instructions are - he may have been told to stay up the pitch a bit and support HRK.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2020, 01:24:49 PM
Thought he was awful last night. Didn’t offer much, considering he is one of our more experienced players. Left furlong exposed an awful lot in the second half. Needs dropping for a few games to get his hunger back in my opinion.

There was one incident in the second half where I blew my lid at Phillips.

He dawdled back leaving Furlong on a two on one - Kyle Bartley quite rightly gave him a verbal volleying.

Even after the initial cross was cleared, he was still ambling back towards his defensive duties.

Thankfully he was hauled off a couple of minutes later
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 02, 2020, 02:53:47 PM
There was one incident in the second half where I blew my lid at Phillips.

He dawdled back leaving Furlong on a two on one - Kyle Bartley quite rightly gave him a verbal volleying.

Even after the initial cross was cleared, he was still ambling back towards his defensive duties.

Thankfully he was hauled off a couple of minutes later
If we can possibly get rid , then we should. Regrettably none of our players are ever in demand from other clubs, except of course our youngsters.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: P Anderson on January 02, 2020, 03:22:03 PM
Thought he was awful last night. Didn’t offer much, considering he is one of our more experienced players. Left furlong exposed an awful lot in the second half. Needs dropping for a few games to get his hunger back in my opinion.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gazberg on January 02, 2020, 03:25:10 PM
Yes, I think he knows his position isn't under threat. When Diangana is fit he seems to raise his game even though he isn't direct competition but it seems to spur him on quite often.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 02, 2020, 03:56:15 PM
For his general lack of fitness I would want another winger in the window. A confident Matty offers a lot going forward but far too often last night he couldn't or wouldn't get back.
Bilic could see it and pulled him for that reason.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: smethwickw on January 02, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
I've never known a player especially of his size shy away from so many tackles. Unforgiveable for me. He can be unplayable on his day but sadly these days are few and far between.
Title: Re: Matty Phillips
Post by: gazberg on January 02, 2020, 05:15:22 PM
His tackle dodging started the instant he got sent off in a game a few years back in the PL. Soon as he returned from suspension he was pulling out quicker than a fold out couch.