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Title: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2015, 10:02:47 AM
As expected on two and a half year deal taking charge after todays game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 01, 2015, 10:03:50 AM
This is the best birthday present I could have wished for. Great appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2015, 10:05:08 AM
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-baggies-tony-pulis-new-head-coach-2175923.aspx

West Bromwich Albion are today delighted to confirm the appointment of Premier League Manager of the Year Tony Pulis as the club’s new Head Coach.

Pulis has agreed a two-and-a-half-year contract with the Baggies and will take charge after today’s Barclays Premier League fixture at West Ham.

His appointment takes his management career into a 23rd year, a career highlighted by landmark roles establishing Stoke City as a Premier League force before last season’s remarkable rescue of Crystal Palace from the threat of relegation.

It is the second time in four years Albion have appointed a reigning Premier League Manager of the Year. That was the title held by Roy Hodgson when he was named Head Coach in February 2011 and the same award was bestowed upon Albion’s new Head Coach for his acclaimed revival of Palace last season.

The Eagles finished 11th after the Welshman took control of a team holding just four points from 11 games and placed six points from safety.

He needs little further introduction to Hawthorns fans who saw his Stoke team become such a thorn in Albion’s side throughout a seven-year stint in the Potteries which transformed the club.

Pulis, who left Palace before the start of this season, said: “I’m absolutely delighted to accept the job and I do so with a simple but important message for the Albion fans and everyone at the club.

“Every successful club is built on unity and that is what I shall strive to help bring to Albion. We need everyone together from top to bottom – the supporters, all the staff, the players, everyone who has an interest in the club’s welfare.

“With that, we can go forward together and hopefully take this club up the Premier League.”

The Newport-born Pulis holds the proud record of never suffering relegation as a manager and he arrives with Premier League survival the priority target outlined by the Albion board.

The club’s Technical Director Terry Burton said: “We are delighted to secure a man of Tony’s calibre and proven ability.

“He made it clear that this position excited him and that he was eager to get back into the business of winning Premier League points - and there are few who know how to do it better.”

Pulis cut his managerial teeth first as a player-coach for Harry Redknapp at Bournemouth in 1992 and onwards through further appointments with Gillingham, Bristol City and Portsmouth.

But it was at Stoke where his reputation was cemented as he transformed the club from a mid-table Championship outfit to one of the toughest in the Premier League with a feared home record and top-flight stability.

He is due to meet with his new players briefly today before watching the Hammers clash from the stands. He plans to attend his first media conference as Albion’s new Head Coach tomorrow ahead of the FA Cup third round tie at The Hawthorns against Gateshead.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: don1thedon on January 01, 2015, 10:10:19 AM
“Every successful club is built on unity and that is what I shall strive to help bring to Albion. We need everyone together from top to bottom – the supporters, all the staff, the players, everyone who has an interest in the club’s welfare."

That's the key!
Welcome Tony, good luck. COYB!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 01, 2015, 10:11:05 AM
doesn't say if he's bringing his own back room staff
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boingusmaximus on January 01, 2015, 10:12:13 AM
According to the BBC his first signing will be Peter Crouch.  Is it going to be Ron Saunders revisited?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on January 01, 2015, 10:13:23 AM
Fantastic news. Well done Jeremy Peace for realising the club needed to go in a different direction structurally. I cannot think of anyone at this point in time who I would rather have managing the side. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on January 01, 2015, 10:16:02 AM
Excellent appointment, experienced, hardworking manager. Welcome Tony ,now down to work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 01, 2015, 10:18:56 AM
According to the BBC his first signing will be Peter Crouch.  Is it going to be Ron Saunders revisited?

just an assumption from the BBC (I Hope) TP needs to asses what he has before bringing anybody in
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cads_ap_albion on January 01, 2015, 10:19:25 AM
Thank goodness there wasn't a last minute hitch...

Really excited. Do hope he doesn't sign loads of ex Stoke players though...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RogerBadoo on January 01, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Great appointment - but please no Peter Crouch....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 01, 2015, 10:22:49 AM
Well done JP and co for a swift appointment.

Exactly what we need *right now*. Hopefully the Hawthorns will become a fortress again and fans will unite behind the new regime.

As for Crouch. Yes please. Better than anything we've got and gives us another option.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 01, 2015, 10:28:31 AM
Here's what I posted on the New manager thread before it got locked, I wanted to repost it because I went to a lot of effort writing it! Hope that's ok mods!

Here are my thoughts on Pulis joining:

One, the club is in a bit of a mess really and are repeatedly making mistakes over and over again. There were poor signings made towards the end of Clarke's reign. Sinclair was a waste, Anelka, Lugano too and it all sounded like there was a chap behind the scenes called Dave McDonahugh pulling the transfer strings while a man whose only experience came as a lawyer was suddenly the director of football. We'd balls'd up big time.

Skip forward to December 2013 and Pepe Mel arrives, employed because we want a change of style in the middle of a season where we were really struggling. It proved to be a terrible idea and Mel's time was cut short.

We then added Alan Irvine and bought a load of players who would have very much fitted Mel's style of play but didn't suit Irvine's. What a mess. I do believe that the issues of recruiting however were addressed and last summer's recruiting more than likely had some residual influence from the past and we'll see a more positive input from the scouts in the next two transfer windows.

So with the club getting managers, sorry, head coaches in and giving them the wrong players we were looking a total mess and I don't think any of us wanted to see Irvine buy his type of players. Thankfully though regrettably, we let him go and this appointment suddenly became very, very important.

Step up Tony Pulis. If there ever was a man to sort out a mess at a club it's him. I think his demands to have full control over the transfers can only be good. I'm done with seeing managers get the wrong players and be at odds with the recruitment department.

A lot has been said about his style, well we've seen two styles from him at Palace and Stoke and admittedly, one job lasted a lot longer than the other BUT it proves he's adaptable.

You know what I take joy in watching? Corners being cleared almost every time instead of panic every time the opposition win a set-piece. I like seeing teams defend well and hit their opponents on the counter. I don't even mind long ball as long as it isn't every time. Most of all, I enjoy it when we win when it looks like we may draw and draw when we may lose.

I'm convinced that Peace has finally done everything correct here and Pulis is the man to get us back into the position we were on when Roy left. He's not the most glamorous boss either so you never know it may be the start of a long beautiful relationship!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 01, 2015, 10:29:19 AM
Fantastic - At last a good manager. Onwards and upwards now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on January 01, 2015, 10:30:00 AM
every paper always links managers with ex players...i wouldnt expect any new signings in first week he needs to see what he has or hasnt got in the squad...lets get behind the boys and have a better half of the seaon boing boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 01, 2015, 10:30:22 AM
Delighted with this appointment. Hodgson aside this should be the best appointment we've made in 10 years. As for new players. Crouch is still miles better than Anichebe or Samaras.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lonions on January 01, 2015, 10:31:20 AM
Happy with that appointment.

Bet there’s a few premier league teams now thinking not him again. i would be!

COYB!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gavinrussell on January 01, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
Great appointment - but please no Peter Crouch....
agree..he is the last person I want in an almost stripped shirt....Also Pulis is an experienced manager has been there seen it and done it...so why not get in the dugout today...I have had enough if the 3 stooges...they know their cushy life is up...so please Tony..get the track suit on get on the side of tge pitch and organise our shambles into a team !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: very old baggie on January 01, 2015, 10:37:17 AM
Great appointment.... well done JP  :)

PS I would welcome Peter Crouch.... still has plenty to offer!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 01, 2015, 10:37:29 AM
Shrewd individual that TP is, I believe he already knows the strengths and weaknesses of our squad.

 I dare say he's been sitting on the sidelines looking at clubs that are in trouble and where a vacancy would be imminent so that when he moved in he was already ahead of the game, he knows time is short.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 01, 2015, 10:37:58 AM
doesn't say if he's bringing his own back room staff
I doubt they'll say anything about that yet when the current incumbents are taking charge of the side at West Ham. They may still even be involved against Gateshead. It's nice for us to not take weeks for "due diligence" over a decision for once.

Welcome Tony and good luck. I hope you can do the business for us without us having to play like Stoke did whilst you were there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 01, 2015, 10:38:31 AM
Welcome to the club Tony.

Delighted with the appointment, just what we needed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 01, 2015, 10:40:08 AM
Really happy with that. I was convinced he'd turn us down and we'd end up with Sherwood.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 01, 2015, 10:44:15 AM
His comment about unity is bang on and something we haven't had at the club for a while now.

Nice to have some positivity running through the board again! Happy days!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Barrington on January 01, 2015, 10:46:55 AM
The best possible appointment for us at this moment in time. Well done Jeremy and good luck Tony. Let's get s**t sorted!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 01, 2015, 10:47:21 AM
I saw the Birmingham Mail site saying that Samaras, Davidson and Blanco are all deemed surplus to requirements. That'd be disappointing if Blanco went.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 01, 2015, 10:51:54 AM
Welcome Mr Pulis you will get my support as did Mr Irvine.

Now Albion fans lets all stick together and show Mr Pulis what a great club he as come too.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on January 01, 2015, 10:53:18 AM
Whilst i am pleased that a fiery personality is in charge, it does seem to have been met badly on other football forums, suggesting he isn't a good fit with a no nonsense chairmen at the helm, that palace fitted him perfectly because he could work with players like Puncheon and Bolasie to taylor to his needs. I guess time will tell, no surprise stokies are bringing up the old 'rather be relegated than have pulis' line we used to dish it when we played against them. However, one thing rings true is that he nearly always knew how to beat us, so will know how to make us a well drilled team. Something akin to Roy and i'll be happy, as we were pretty unpredictable but played very well away, hopefully we can translate that to home performances ala Fortress Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: silver surfer on January 01, 2015, 10:54:12 AM
Sensing this is a good appointment.
And fair play to JP for making the necessary compromises.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brettsf on January 01, 2015, 10:54:28 AM
Delighted with the appointment. Let's see some of our 'superstars' start earning their money now! One thing's for certain, he won't stand any messing.
I remember two other gaffers who demanded nothing less than 100%, i.e. Jimmy Hagan and Gary Megson. They both saw us through some exciting times. Go on Tony....take us there again!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on January 01, 2015, 10:57:20 AM
I hope he proves me wrong and doesn't bring Stokes style of play with him. It is possible to play attractive football and win. Swansea and Southampton have proved that and look at how much West Ham have improved this season after getting the ball on the deck. I have no doubt he'll keep us up now which is the critical thing.

Welcome to The Hawthorns Tony. Hopefully you can win over the minority fans like me and make me eat humble pie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on January 01, 2015, 10:57:41 AM
It's about time we took someone on who's stood up to the board and said I want final say on transfers. You can't blame Pulis for asking for this as its his job on the line if signings don't work out.
I think we can expect an injection of pace into the squad and a much more direct style of play with us getting the ball forward quickly and a defence that's capable of not leaking goals easily.
I also expect that The Hawthornes will be turned back into a place that the opposition will not look forwards to visiting bringing back the atmosphere we know
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chonobaggie on January 01, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
This is great news. Hopefully he can sort us out. First time in a long time I've been excited about a new manager.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 01, 2015, 11:02:53 AM
A very warm welcome to Tony Pulis.

This really is excellent news to start the New Year and following the recent events and decision by the club earlier in the week, I genuinely feel Pulis ticks all the boxes in terms of character and leadership qualities in our attempts to move away from the foot of the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 01, 2015, 11:13:34 AM
I can't thank JP enough for this signing and haven't been this excited for a long time.
As for Crouch definately speculation but we are desperate for a striker so would fit the bill loads of experience.


Welcome Tony, pull this club together and wait and see the hawthorns rocking, its the best.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 01, 2015, 11:17:05 AM
Very shrewd timing of the appointment.  Leave the coaches as fall guys for the game that we are unlikely to win (one win in ten at West Ham and in Champions League form) and introduce him at Gateshead followed by Hull at home. (Hopefully) Immediate turn around under the new manager. ;-)
Welcome to the Hawthorns. Hopefully it will be a long and successful appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 01, 2015, 11:22:54 AM
Good appointment and timing-a day after compensation is no longer necessary to Palace (it's enough to make you wonder whether JP was waiting on him for a while now?). Finally a bit of leadership as shown by his opening statement "unity"!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on January 01, 2015, 11:23:39 AM
What a contrast in reaction to the Irvine appointment. Pulis has the fans on side from the word go. That counts for a lot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: gerry m on January 01, 2015, 11:23:54 AM
A good appointment and an experienced coach. Hopefully the comfort zone players are looking over their shoulders right now. Good luck Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dale on January 01, 2015, 11:27:44 AM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment. I don't care how we play as long as we win football matches!

Don't get me wrong it's nice to see entertaining football and winning, but for me I don't pay to be entertained I pay to watch my team win!

Really looking forward to the Pulis era. Bring it on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 01, 2015, 11:33:18 AM
Fantastic news. Welcome to The Hawthorns, Tony.

A great message to everyone at the club. And a two and half year contract too, we need some stability.

Come on lads!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 01, 2015, 11:37:23 AM
Love it, couldn't have asked for a better person in charge.

Welcome Tony!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggy74 on January 01, 2015, 11:41:01 AM
I hope he proves me wrong and doesn't bring Stokes style of play with him. It is possible to play attractive football and win. Swansea and Southampton have proved that and look at how much West Ham have improved this season after getting the ball on the deck. I have no doubt he'll keep us up now which is the critical thing.

Welcome to The Hawthorns Tony. Hopefully you can win over the minority fans like me and make me eat humble pie.

Biggest myth in football every time I've seen them this year they have resembled old style Stoke , but hammers fans aren't complaining because they are winning.

Here's hoping we get pulis palace style with width and pace ! Over hoof ball , if so it could be very exciting either way it's a change that was needed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 01, 2015, 11:47:17 AM
I am very happy with this appointment best appointment since we got Hodgson in. Does anyone else find  it strange that he is our manager now I never ever thought in a million years Tony Pulis would ever be a West Brom manager. Welcome TP.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lonions on January 01, 2015, 11:47:33 AM
would of thought Samaras would of fitting into Tonys style of play!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2015, 12:04:08 PM
For me it works in the here and now long-term not so sure. Those of you who were berating Irvine Clarke and even Hodgson about style play had better get ready for more of the same it ain't going to be pretty but it might be effective.

Extended thoughts

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/who-you-going-to-call.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 01, 2015, 12:05:32 PM
Best possible bloke for our current situation both on and off the pitch , much like Megson was years ago .
I used to watch Stoke fight for every single point and be a tad envious and Palace were superb to watch too in the short time he was there. After 18 months of slumber and a losing mental attitude I actually feel a small buzz about the Albion again. Best of luck Tony.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on January 01, 2015, 12:07:12 PM
Great appointment, really think he'll get the best out of ideye like he did with chamakh. Imagine varela and sess will be his wingers until we get someone else in. Berahino won't be able to mess about like he did under irvine. Really excited, hopefully get around 15th this year and then really push on next year.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbasoprano on January 01, 2015, 12:09:57 PM
Where's Gerry mullet?  :'(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 01, 2015, 12:18:21 PM
The thread says 'Manager' have we done away with the Head Coach title then?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cheesyknackers on January 01, 2015, 12:22:12 PM
Reading this whilst watching the Dambusters on TV.

Der der der der du du der der ....


Looking forward to today's game for the first time this season.
Win or lose today , there is change on the very near horizon, and for the better.

der der der der du du du der du der...


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 01, 2015, 12:26:36 PM
The thread says 'Manager' have we done away with the Head Coach title then?
don't think so, Pulis is still head coach but is as powerful as Hodgson was.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 01, 2015, 12:28:37 PM
I don't think the issue of 'pace on the wing' is too big, and if it is I'm sure he'll bring someone quick in January.

The good/bad? thing about Pulis is he's not afraid to experiment with positions, so I really wouldn't be too surprised if he put Gamboa as an attacking winger which I personally think is his best position anyway.
If you look at Stoke he never really had massive pace on the wing, I think it was Pennant and Etherington for a few years who aren't massively quick.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 01, 2015, 12:30:03 PM
I hope he proves me wrong and doesn't bring Stokes style of play with him. It is possible to play attractive football and win. Swansea and Southampton have proved that and look at how much West Ham have improved this season after getting the ball on the deck. I have no doubt he'll keep us up now which is the critical thing.

Welcome to The Hawthorns Tony. Hopefully you can win over the minority fans like me and make me eat humble pie.

I'm not on the wind up here. But what do you consider as attractive football?

Personally I would say Liverpool last season were very entertaining. Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling flying forward and creating chance after chance. Liverpool this season don't get the ball forward quickly because it comes straight back to them. Which leaves the defenders keeping the ball moving around the back 4 more.

Defenders keeping possession looks great on the statistics. But is it really entertaining? It looks attractive to the purists yes, but if you're not threatening the opposition goalkeeper would you be sitting on the edge of your seat?

Or would you like to see wingers bombing down the touchline and regularly crossing the ball to your forwards?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 12:38:46 PM
Attractive football for me is "pass and move..........NOT Hoof and run !!

As long as we see the former and not the latter, I'll be happy.

Welcome Tony, prove your doubters wrong and get us winning but without the hoof n rush !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 12:41:00 PM
Not a big lover of the man but he is exactly what we need at the moment so I have to applaud the club for their quickness in firstly sacking Irvine and appointing Pulis. He's going to by hook or by crook pull this football club together both on the pitch and off it.

This isn't a perfect squad and I'm very interested to see how we perform - and moreso, be interesting to see what sort of business we do in the transfer market.

Strap yourself in folks..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on January 01, 2015, 12:53:20 PM
Attractive football for me is "pass and move..........NOT Hoof and run !!

As long as we see the former and not the latter, I'll be happy.

Welcome Tony, prove your doubters wrong and get us winning but without the hoof n rush !!!
I personally think we will be much better at getting the ball forward under Pulis rather than slowing play up and over passing it in deep areas. I'm not talking about just hit and hope long balls, a long ball into space for a wide player to run onto should create us more chances than we have been
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 01, 2015, 12:54:15 PM
don't think so, Pulis is still head coach but is as powerful as Hodgson was.

Ah right. Perhaps the mods could amend the thread title to reflect as it is a tad confusing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 01, 2015, 12:54:25 PM
Nothing I can say here that hasn't already been well put by a good many of you... but I am excited! Great appointment, well done JP!

Welcome aboard, TP, and like Liam said, strap yourselves in  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on January 01, 2015, 01:05:42 PM
Let the clear out begin - and bring in the new blood asap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 01, 2015, 01:09:42 PM
With Greenock on this world of difference between pass and move and hit and hope. The one redeeming feature of Pulisball mark one was his use of wingers to attack the opposition on the counter but his style was to by-pass the midfield hit it long play for set plays in the opposition half and the bulk of Stoke's chances came from those situations. Fine, it worked but even Stoke fans tired of watching it after 5 seasons.

Whether that was his preferred style of play or one that he settled on given the players he had we will never know and right now Albion fans seem happy enough to trade a bit of stability and another season in the Premier League for any prospect of more cultured football. I am not sure the Pulisball mkII as seen at Palace is a massive improvement on mkI but I have to take a wait and see approach as I would with any coach.

Each situation is different and while we might make a signing or two in the window any major surgery will have to wait to the summer so Pulis will have to work with what he has got. Getting the most out of this squad is the challenge and dragging it through to end of the season in anyway possible regardless of style in the short term should be entirely acceptable to most Baggies fans, but longer term we will still want a game based on pass move rather than hit and hope. If we have Pullisball mkI for an extended period unless the results are out of this world then I suspect the fans will turn quite quickly.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 01, 2015, 01:10:56 PM
Overriding feeling is relief. Irvine was the worst thing to happen to our club for a decade. Peace and Burton I feel have pulled off a real coup here akin to the Hodgson appointment.

Welcome Tony, I look forward to anticipating match day with excitement again starting Saturday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 01, 2015, 01:17:04 PM
Absolutely delighted with this appointment.

I really thought our structure/JP would prevent it from happening so fair play to JP for altering the set up to accommodate TP and his back room staff.

The length of contract is a real statement of intent as well.

Our run in does not seem quite so daunting now!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 01, 2015, 01:23:20 PM
Former Stoke defender Danny Higginbotham, who played under Tony Pulis:
"Man management is the key to it. You can't treat them all the same and that's why Tony gets the best out of players and he certainly did that at Stoke, especially the first season in the Premier League. He's a manager that looks at players and doesn't ask them to do things they can't do. He gets the best out of them and puts that winning mentality into them as well."

Just what we need - "caps off" to this appointment  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jonny on January 01, 2015, 01:23:38 PM
Suddenly feel that i have that desire ans passion back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2015, 01:24:35 PM
Where's Gerry mullet?  :'(
hes at the hairdressers.
welcome to wba mr pulis and happy hunting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 01, 2015, 01:25:45 PM
I had no games planned to attend, tonight I will start booking hotels for a few trips to the Hawthorns.  ;D

Optimism is a wonderful thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: popbaggie28 on January 01, 2015, 01:26:47 PM
Happy New year Delighted iis an understatement boing f*fkin boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 01, 2015, 01:27:40 PM
Welcome aboard the good ship Albion skipper.
Here's to you successfully guiding us through the choppy waters ahead.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: valleybaggie on January 01, 2015, 01:32:09 PM
this appointment must go down as peace doing a very good job . when he said he'd learned lessons and appointed irvine it seemed like he didn't know what he was talking about but giving pulis full control and bending his views to bring tony in it's excellent business for the club. and one of the biggest things tony will bring to the club will be unity amongst the players on the pitch.and if any player whoever he maybe dosen't give is all for the cause they won't be here very long ala gary megson when he transformed a team struggling to stay in the league to promotion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jimbo22 on January 01, 2015, 01:39:22 PM
Arsenal away, everyone in baseball caps?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 01, 2015, 01:40:10 PM
Just on the radio:

As Stoke manager, Tony Pulis has more wins at the Hawthorns than Irvine and Mel combined.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tipton baggie 80 on January 01, 2015, 01:42:58 PM
Thrilled with appointment. Looks like uncle Roy has had a positive word or two for us as well...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11319993/Tony-Pulis-to-take-1.75m-West-Brom-role-after-consulting-Roy-Hodgson.html

Boing boing!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2015, 01:49:31 PM
Just on the radio:

As Stoke manager, Tony Pulis has more wins at the Hawthorns than Irvine and Mel combined.
Good god what a shocking statistic but lets hope he carries on winning at the hawthorns.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 01, 2015, 01:50:39 PM
Right man at the Right time.
Welcome Tony
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionLifer on January 01, 2015, 01:51:48 PM
Just on the radio:

As Stoke manager, Tony Pulis has more wins at the Hawthorns than Irvine and Mel combined.

That is truly depressing and shows how far we've fallen since Roy left for the England gig. I'm quietly confident TP will be adding to his "Hawthorns wins" statistic considerably over the new few months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ajt33 on January 01, 2015, 01:53:38 PM
Happy New Year to y'all.

Absolutely delighted with the appointment of Mr Pulis as head coach of West Brom. Really feared we would end up with Sherwood.

From miserable to optimistic in the in the space of a few days. A fresh start - throw out the old and roll in the new.

The Gaffer 8)
(http://www.maidirecalcio.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/tony-pulis-manager.jpg)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on January 01, 2015, 02:05:48 PM
We might now have a man at the helm who can convert the big talking from our players into performances on the pitch.

One things for sure he will weed out the shirkers and non performers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 01, 2015, 02:38:31 PM

With the team selection today it looks like the muppets behind Irvine should also be quickly on their way .

Come on Pulis shake em up you'll have my backing ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 02:43:44 PM
Rumours have it that after seeing that midfield Tony Pulis has handed in his resignation..  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 02:46:18 PM
Rumours have it that after seeing that midfield Tony Pulis has handed in his resignation..  ;D
Don't know about that Liam but he may be asking for a small increase in the 15 million transfer budget for January, say by another 15million !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 01, 2015, 02:47:54 PM
Did anyone really expect a different team today?  Irvine's last parting shot to us. Pulis did not take over until today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 01, 2015, 03:02:30 PM
What a fantastic start to the New Year....feels like we are a real Club again after the pain of the last year and a half.

Its a shame we had to go through the last 6 months and it was a shame for Alan Irvine to be the guy that tried to change things, when in fact he never could.

But to be where we are now we had to learn the lessons and suffer, and to be very fair to JP he has acted swiftly and bravely and I am sure will put some money where his mouth his this month.

Call him "Head Coach" , but we all know he's a Manager through and through and that is precisely what we need.

Going out to buy a baseball cap immediately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnny Cash on January 01, 2015, 03:05:30 PM
Did anyone really expect a different team today?  Irvine's last parting shot to us. Pulis did not take over until today.

Do people really expect much different for his first few games?

Irvine wasn't the man for the job, but I don't buy that we had tones of talent that wasn't making it on to the pitch either. I hope the 15 million is true, but if it is and we stay up, expect a quieter summer because thats the budget its coming from.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 01, 2015, 05:19:55 PM
He needs 6 wins and a few draws and as soon as possible, played well today could have nicked it.
Hull is a very big game and for once I'm actually looking forward to a game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie79 on January 01, 2015, 05:22:48 PM
I am very happy with this appointment and finally for the first time since Hodgson I am actually excited for the future of my club. He is a very good man manager who will kick the cliques out of this club along with JP kicking KD and RK out of the club, surely this is what we would all want?

He will play whatever system and type of football that suits the players we have, you cant play hoofball with loads of 5 foot something tall footballers as we have. At palace he had a lot of quick attacking footballers so he played a  counter attacking style. I would imagine we will setup with a solid back four, two screening midfielders and then the rest being allowed to attack when we have the ball, I fully expect us to play with a good defensive setup to build to from and cause teams real problems when we attack. Above all I see us playing good counter attacking football and not the perceived "hoofbal" that is being shoehorned in to every opinion on here.

I am fully behind Pulis as he is a proven Premier League manager with a very good record in this division unlike anyone since Hodgson.

Come on Tony and West Brom!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on January 01, 2015, 05:50:42 PM
I think the players will be in for a surprise. There is "fit, match fit....and they're soon to learn about Pullis-fit. When they walk off the pitch from training, they'll need to take care not to trip over their tongues.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 01, 2015, 05:57:09 PM
He is a very good man manager who will kick the cliques out of this club along with JP kicking KD and RK out of the club, surely this is what we would all want?
Yes, I certainly want that, but I think Kiely needs to go as well so that we can start entirely afresh. Given the unexpected level of involvement of Pulis and Kemp today, I guess there could well be an announcement about the remaining coaches tomorrow, as there's no reason why Pulis and Kemp can't be in the dugout for the Gateshead game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tatnam baggie on January 01, 2015, 06:05:15 PM
So pleased we got Tony pulis to sighn on the dotted line. Well done to JP for not dithering this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 01, 2015, 06:06:22 PM
I think the players will be in for a surprise. There is "fit, match fit....and they're soon to learn about Pullis-fit. When they walk off the pitch from training, they'll need to take care not to trip over their tongues.
Apparently his training sessions according to players who've played under him say it was more demanding than the match itself, can honestly say I never remember seeing a stoke side under him who lost games because of tiredness and couldn't go the extra mile.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on January 01, 2015, 06:45:29 PM
Good to see meaningful substitutions.
He is in a very fortunate position because he can make eleven team changes against Gateshead he could not be criticised as he could plead it necessary to see all of his squad in match situations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 01, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
By all accounts the subs were his decisions today.

Already heavily involved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 01, 2015, 07:19:20 PM
One of the most important qualities of a manager imo is to be tactically aware and i think we now have one of the best.
His ability to alter games with subs ect. is impressive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on January 01, 2015, 07:25:47 PM
Never thought I'd say this, but ... welcome to the Baggies Tony!
It`s been a long time since I've been on here & read such positivity. Listened to Matty Etherington on Talksport this morning, & he said that he`s such a stickler for tactics during training, that a lot of the time training was more mentally draining than physical. He really rated him though & naturally thinks he`ll do a great job.
With all this positivity, there's probably a lot of you that weren`t going to go up against Gateshead that have now changed their mind? I really hope so anyway ... Let`s give the guy a big welcome!
COYB!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 01, 2015, 07:46:58 PM
I thought it was brilliant to see both Tony Pulis and Dave Kemp stamping their authority on the football club. Really refreshing to see them getting messages down to the bench when many managers in waiting would have sat there watching the game.

Today was an ideal game for Pulis to witness though - he's undoubtedly saw some very shoddy defending from certain individuals but he has also saw the best of others. Berahino taking his chance, Stephane Sessegnon being a creative outlet and the solidity of both Yacob and Youssouf Mulumbu as well as the latters willingness to try and link play.

There is plenty for our new gaffer to work on, there is no denying that but Pulis will have got a very round overview of our side today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 01, 2015, 07:49:59 PM
Really pleased with a point against an otherwise in form West Ham today. That's the kind of result we need to be taken seriously.

Everyone in the squad will be on their toes from now on, which is good, because he has no preconceptions about who should/ shouldn't be in the team, and there's a transfer window looming.

Onwards and upwards. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 01, 2015, 07:53:49 PM
Even though he was on a watching brief it was great to see him being so proactive, particularly in the second half.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 01, 2015, 08:08:15 PM
Heres my view on it one of 40/50 odd thousand Albion fans it dont matter to much if at all but here it goes, I think the results have pulled some of even most of our fans apart mentally over the last 2 years myself included tottenham, cardiff, villa just to name a few leaving the ground physically sick even though at times playing some okay football just squandering some very good leads, Horrible feeling come FT.

I am one of probably many on this board who has seen us lose constantly under a TP side get blown away and an easy 3 points for hes stoke/palace sides but mainly stoke sides over the years 1-0 wins yearly coming off so and so backside after we have good possession and looked pretty, Stoke fans laughing in our face year on year again horrible feeling.

What we have is a guy who will get results he will look at that squad next week and decide whether he needs new additions to keep us in this league the guy today made Kemp and Peace move there bums he wasnt scared he got them off there seat whether it was for kemp to shimmy through and JP making way, The guy doesn't officially start until tomorrow but he was involved today he wanted to get among them and reward the fans who have paid 46 pound per ticket i respect that immensely this man wanted a result, I personally warmed to the guy today just from watching him in the stand.

We have a guy who when we lose or god forbid give up i think these players will be scared to get in the dressing room and not just for the showers, This guy screams of better and is ruthless in succeeding which when it includes the football club i love i don't have a problem with, What we might sacrifice is a good footballing style at times but after two years i think i am ready to see a man who wants to grind out results isn't afraid to voke an opinion and who desperately wants to do well and get the best out of this group players.

Going home every week saying we played well after a loss makes us look inferior and minor i personally think a guy who wants to get results and isnt afriad of upsetting the wagon is something we need at the moment.

Welcome aboard mister Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 01, 2015, 08:25:59 PM
Nice to see him taking control today and we were a much better team second half for it as well.

Title will be changed of the thread as well  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on January 01, 2015, 08:31:29 PM
Have to agee with (Super) BobTaylor

Every managerial appointment will be a risk but with Tony Pulis on board the odds of PL survival have dramatically swung in our favour

He appears to have already galvanised the club and he's only been sitting in the stands - here's to a very happy (and prosperous) New Year
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 08:35:07 PM
His "Style" Is IMHO irrelevant. If he can makes us serious buggers to play that is all. All this airy fairy rubbish about "flowing etc ect" A La Mowbray and the dreams of old ...are just that now. We need to be a hard place to come.
We won the FA Cup with defenders and mid that would take you to hell screaming! And forwards that could take anything like the same.
The game is different but the tactician will overcome.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 01, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
His "Style" Is IMHO irrelevant. If he can makes us serious buggers to play that is all. All this airy fairy rubbish about "flowing etc ect" A La Mowbray and the dreams of old ...are just that now. We need to be a hard place to come.
We won the FA Cup with defenders and mid that would take you to hell screaming! And forwards that could take anything like the same.
The game is different but the tactician will overcome.
Love it..................and you are 100% spot on. Williams, Fraser, Talbot, Kaye.............NO PRISONERS !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 08:51:56 PM
Love it..................and you are 100% spot on. Williams, Fraser, Talbot, Kaye.............NO PRISONERS !!!
Indeed.I often think of you on your "Scooter" When in a howling gale on a hill or a mountain! With my ski groups and tell them of you!! Grit and Guile no feckin airy fairy. The Fairies win feck all in the Prem as we saw under TM.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on January 01, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
Love it..................and you are 100% spot on. Williams, Fraser, Talbot, Kaye.............NO PRISONERS !!!

Barlow, Setters, Drury, Wile, Colqhoun, Robertson, Giles, Robson, etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, when successful we've always has tough uncompromising midfielders and central defenders - who could play a bit as well, what's wrong with being strong and skillful?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 01, 2015, 09:00:34 PM
Barlow, Setters, Drury, Wile, Colqhoun, Robertson, Giles, Robson, etc. etc.

Don't get me wrong, when successful we've always has tough uncompromising midfielders and central defenders - who could play a bit as well, what's wrong with being strong and skillful?

I'd include one of my all time favourites Len Cantello, I'm sure other Baggies fans can add to this list.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 01, 2015, 09:02:37 PM
Welcome Mr. Pulis and the best of luck to you.

With one stroke JP has solved a lot of problems that has plagued us for years. Here is a domestic coach with the credentials to take us forward as a club and a personality the players simply cannot freeze out, ignore, or butter up to. The players, this time, know if they try anything cute it is them who will be out on their ear, not the coach. This wasn't the case with the previous three coaches and it would have been a potential issue with Sherwood as his relative inexperience would have given the players a potential excuse to keep dallying.

Also we finally have a footballing personality to make up for the loss of Dan Ashworth. Hopefully TP will play decent football with us, but at this point, short term, the overriding focus simply has to be to sort out our rotten/soft squad and get the players playing properly again and COMPETE as opposed to merely show up for an easy pay check.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 01, 2015, 09:15:22 PM
Totally agree about the players being out on there ear if they play up and not the coach this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 01, 2015, 09:26:09 PM
Welcome Mr. Pulis and the best of luck to you.

With one stroke JP has solved a lot of problems that has plagued us for years. Here is a domestic coach with the credentials to take us forward as a club and a personality the players simply cannot freeze out, ignore, or butter up to. The players, this time, know if they try anything cute it is them who will be out on their ear, not the coach. This wasn't the case with the previous three coaches and it would have been a potential issue with Sherwood as his relative inexperience would have given the players a potential excuse to keep dallying.

Also we finally have a footballing personality to make up for the loss of Dan Ashworth. Hopefully TP will play decent football with us, but at this point, short term, the overriding focus simply has to be to sort out our rotten/soft squad and get the players playing properly again and COMPETE as opposed to merely show up for an easy pay check.
I think so.He will set us hard to beat. That to me is the start.Always has been.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 01, 2015, 09:57:10 PM

We have a guy who when we lose or god forbid give up i think these players will be scared to get in the dressing room

You're not wrong there mate.

I've just seen a picture of his number 2, Kemp as well.  He looks like he's built like a brick out-house and his stare could stop a charging rhino. No way I'd want to be on the wrong side of those two, but they're also just the kind of blokes you want  backing you up in a fight. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on January 01, 2015, 10:15:11 PM
Sorry if already been spoken about... Watched the game on a live stream today
hopefully will be shown on motd, TP getting very involved even when he's supposed
to be watching from the stands, sent his number 2 down to give instructions to
Downing & co on for than one occasion. I believe he instigated Yacob coming on to the pitch. Was very
entertaining to see. like having him here already!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBARoberts on January 02, 2015, 12:08:22 AM
Sorry if already been spoken about... Watched the game on a live stream today
hopefully will be shown on motd, TP getting very involved even when he's supposed
to be watching from the stands, sent his number 2 down to give instructions to
Downing & co on for than one occasion. I believe he instigated Yacob coming on to the pitch. Was very
entertaining to see. like having him here already!

They showed that on MOTD - was great to see. Wants to get started and obviously already has plenty to say.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 12:49:28 AM
You can see that he is totally committed - sitting in the stands on a watching brief and having to get stuck in. Also loved Savage's comment on MOTD about guaranteed not to go down. Take nothing for granted but I really don't think we could've hoped for a better appointment.

Re. style: the nature of our goal today - a ball out of defence by Dozza to Saido who shifted it to Sess before receiving the return and finishing with aplomb- will hopefully show him our strengths and show that swift counter attacking a la palace is the way to go.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 02, 2015, 12:56:39 AM
Well done to Peace for the first time in a while. Just put some proper blue stripes on our shirts and you will have righted a lot of your recent wrongs.

Oh and some money to spend in January would be nice.

On a different note, who was the guy sitting immediately to Pulis's right, in between Pulis and Kemp/Burton?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 02, 2015, 12:58:22 AM
Well done to Peace for the first time in a while. Just put some proper blue stripes on our shirts and you will have righted a lot of your recent wrongs.

Oh and some money to spend in January would be nice.

On a different note, who was the guy sitting immediately to Pulis's right, in between Pulis and Kemp/Burton?

Antony Pulis, his son.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mikkyk on January 02, 2015, 01:08:06 AM
Antony Pulis, his son.

Is that just an "I'm bringing my son along" or is he going to be involved in our setup in some way?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 02, 2015, 01:13:27 AM
Is that just an "I'm bringing my son along" or is he going to be involved in our setup in some way?

Not sure actually his son is actually looking to get into coaching atm. Doubt with us though dunno.

Think he coaching with Orlando City at the moment after retiring from playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on January 02, 2015, 06:21:15 AM
Welcome Tony

I honestly thought I would never say that....

I never wanted or liked AI being appointed and while I had moments of warming to him, I am very happy he is gone.

As for Mr Pulis, well I never thought I would ever get to a point where his appointment would actually excite me but it has.

After the last 18-24 months we really need a Leader of his caliber to clean up the mess that we have become...

He will get my 100% support... I amazed I just said that :)





Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 08:04:21 AM
He was involved alot in the 2nd half, and he didnt need to be, he could have easily have stayed, watched the game, and gone home and decided what to do.

Instead, he noticed what wasnt going right, got instructions sent down, and I believe the Yacob sub was his instruction, and Sess staying on the pitch was also his doing.

How often have we seen Sess last 70 minutes, yet yesterday he lasted 90 and was a useful outlet late in the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 02, 2015, 08:40:06 AM
Not been on here for about a week so a lots happened. Glad Irvine is gone, and never thought I'd say it but we needed Pulis and I'm glad we've got him. Sadly, 6 months too late. Either way it s a good appointment.

For the first time after reading manager quotes I was up for the game. Pulis spoke of Unity and togetherness and I think he will deliver. Bit of belief restored.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 08:51:33 AM
Welcome to the Albion Tone, go sort them out
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:10:41 AM
Brunt is licking ass already I notice. Take the armband off him Tone and give it to Lescott.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 02, 2015, 09:19:43 AM
When I heard about TP making the subs and already the subs Yesterday and speaking to them at half time. Did Roy speak to the players before or at half time when we had that 3-3 with West Ham?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:24:30 AM
I don't care if any of the Kiely, Downing or Kelly were offended by TP's input yesterday. It's his team now and that input may well have secured us a valuable point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 09:46:42 AM
Brunt is licking ass already I notice. Take the armband off him Tone and give it to Lescott.

Just read that, expect to see a couple more players releasing statements about how good a manager TP is and how enjoyable training is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie96 on January 02, 2015, 09:48:19 AM
Just read that, expect to see a couple more players releasing statements about how good a manager TP is and how enjoyable training is.

Makes you wonder if they actually liked irvine!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 02, 2015, 09:51:33 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?

The unveiling of Pulis along with Crouch, Whelan and Adam?  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 02, 2015, 09:58:11 AM
The unveiling of Pulis along with Crouch, Whelan and Adam?  ;D

And Huth...that's the one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 02, 2015, 09:59:37 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?
1.30 I think
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on January 02, 2015, 10:15:14 AM
Welcome Mr. Pulis and the best of luck to you.

With one stroke JP has solved a lot of problems that has plagued us for years. Here is a domestic coach with the credentials to take us forward as a club and a personality the players simply cannot freeze out, ignore, or butter up to. The players, this time, know if they try anything cute it is them who will be out on their ear, not the coach. This wasn't the case with the previous three coaches and it would have been a potential issue with Sherwood as his relative inexperience would have given the players a potential excuse to keep dallying.

Also we finally have a footballing personality to make up for the loss of Dan Ashworth. Hopefully TP will play decent football with us, but at this point, short term, the overriding focus simply has to be to sort out our rotten/soft squad and get the players playing properly again and COMPETE as opposed to merely show up for an easy pay check.

Top, top post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Ste1987 on January 02, 2015, 10:29:27 AM

I notice the club captain is already up Puli's backside trying to make sure he keeps his place.

One word of warning, Mr. Brunt.

Pulis doesn't like talking - I likes it when players walk the walk.

Improve, or you're out!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
Brunt is licking ass already I notice. Take the armband off him Tone and give it to Lescott.



i noticed that ;D wasnt he singing Irvines prasies last week
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 10:39:49 AM
At the moment he is still club captain and has to give interviews to the website and press. What would you expect him to say? "I didn't want Al to go and I've never been keen on hoofball but I'll give him a chance and maybe he will get us playing football in a decent style"?

It seems to me that some people just want to have a go at Brunt for any reason they can possibly find.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on January 02, 2015, 10:46:25 AM
Does anybody know what time the press conference is?
hopefully not to long after it will be announced kelly and downing go aswell
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
Brunt has not performed since he got given the armband
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Stroller on January 02, 2015, 10:49:48 AM
Also known as hand-kissing, or ring-kissing...
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/alastairsmith999/AttheHawthorns-2Jan15_zpsa3c08b2c.jpg)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 02, 2015, 10:50:21 AM
At the moment he is still club captain and has to give interviews to the website and press. What would you expect him to say? "I didn't want Al to go and I've never been keen on hoofball but I'll give him a chance and maybe he will get us playing football in a decent style"?

It seems to me that some people just want to have a go at Brunt for any reason they can possibly find.

I agree with you but its true that there has been way too much talking a good game for a long while, Mr Pulis will not be swayed by such platitudes.

On a side note, JP had a big smile on his face yesterday chatting to Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on January 02, 2015, 10:52:33 AM
Also known as hand-kissing, or ring-kissing...
(http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb480/alastairsmith999/AttheHawthorns-2Jan15_zpsa3c08b2c.jpg)

Very good, made me laugh!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on January 02, 2015, 10:54:19 AM
Not sure what people really expect. He's captain and so obviously gives his backing to the new guy.

Pulis will see through the bullsh*t though, so it's fine
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 02, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
Got thinking about Pulis and his visits with Stoke , for obvious reasons I've mentally buried most of them. ;D
One time that does stick in my mind was a 1-0 home defeat on a Bank Hoilday weekend , if i remember right they came with a huge amount of injuries and stuck the reserve right back up front having him run his heart out (Shotton i think was his name) ....we couldn't break them down at all and Shotton tapped home after a mix up for our usual defeat. I hope we become that mentally strong!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blowee on January 02, 2015, 12:10:09 PM
I remember watching the Stoke back line under Pulis - they were so impressive - always stuck together and kept a fantastically we'll-disciplined shaped. It looked almost impossible to penetrate without getting caught off-side. They broke with such pace with big Jones upfront - that style of play can be very exciting. Not unlike us under Megson when we had  Jason Roberts upfront.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on January 02, 2015, 12:53:58 PM
Will there be anywhere we can listen/watch the press conference this afternoon?

I'd be interested to hear what ideas Pulis has and how positive he is about the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 02, 2015, 01:17:26 PM
First training ground pictures courtesy of the E&S.

What a bunch of clowns. What do Sessègnon and Berahino look like wrapped up like that!!!

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: staticboy on January 02, 2015, 01:40:56 PM
Press conference is live on Sky at 2.30 I believe
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 02, 2015, 01:46:02 PM
Yes pretty sure Foster came rushing out and Shotton scored. That was a terrible day
Think Foster bottled it last minute and allowed him to get a toe poke in. Really felt like we were cursed against them that day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 02, 2015, 02:16:17 PM
Having been up the ground this morning and seeing lots if people getting tickets for tomorrow and judging the mood on here over the last few days it seems like a massive cloud as been lifted from over the hawthorns, and at the moment it is beginning to feel good to be a baggie again!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 02, 2015, 02:17:45 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE AT 2.30PM ON SKY SPORTS 1
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 02, 2015, 02:25:43 PM
First training ground pictures courtesy of the E&S.

What a bunch of clowns. What do Sessègnon and Berahino look like wrapped up like that!!!

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2015/01/02/in-pictures-tony-pulis-takes-charge-of-albion-training/soccer-barclays-premier-league-tony-pulis-takes-first-training-session-as-new-head-coach-of-west-bromwich-albion-5/)

What a bunch of tossers. Sums up in one picture EVERYTHING that is wrong with Professional football of today. If I was Pulis I'd tear all that rubbish away from their head and faces. It's not even bloody cold today! Were they not intending to do anything to actually warm up in training?? They are supposed to be professional athletes for gods sake, not a bunch of bloody gangsters! Just imagine what Hagan would have done with that lot in the winter of 1964.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on January 02, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
PRESS CONFERENCE AT 2.30PM ON SKY SPORTS 1

Is this the first time Sky Sports have televised our new managerial/head coach appointment live? If it is it signals the significance of the appointment,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 02, 2015, 02:28:13 PM
No doubt the appointment of Tony Pulis will, positively, raise the profile of West Bromwich Albion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on January 02, 2015, 02:42:00 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...
maybe not welcome at the hawthorns by you, but he is by a load more of us and if he gets them playing and keeps us up i will be more than happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on January 02, 2015, 02:45:20 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories.

My friend from Palace fan site 'The Eagles Beak' has just sent across a piece for our site telling of how Pulis worked wonders for them tactically and how the days of his 'long ball football' are long gone. I mean most people will tell you that anyway. And so what if we have to be more direct sometimes?

The reason he got abuse from Albion fans in the past was because we hated the fact we couldn't get one over on them. The bloke knew exactly how to beat us not just because of their style but by capitalising on our weaknesses.

Some characters in football are loved if they're yours but loathed if they're not. Pulis could well be one example of this.

Wins keep us in the Premier League and some of the stuff I've seen on this board is almost laughable. One post I came across was saying they'd prefer us to go down over having Pulis as Head Coach. Really?

We must adapt to the times, we aren't Barcelona and we probably aren't going to stay up this season now trying to play pretty football against all of our opponents. Pulis has a job to do, and I along with plenty of other Baggies fans think he will succeed.

COYB.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 02:45:39 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

Nothing to do with being a hypocrite or selling souls.

Times change and at this time we need someone strong in that dressing room. Things have got complacent and seems a very comfortable environment for some and it needs shaking up. Hopefully he is the man to do it and get us on a base to build on.

He has been given abuse and rightly so but he also showed at Palace he is not only a route one manager, time will tell but it could be great appointment and could also be a disaster, time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on January 02, 2015, 02:47:50 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

I've always rated Pulis, so how is welcoming a TOP manager to the club selling your soul?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 02:50:41 PM
I've got reservations myself, but TBH I like what I'm hearing, & I'ts a measure of the man, that he's going to take his time & make informed decisions on the futures of both players & backroom staff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: richjonawba on January 02, 2015, 02:51:55 PM
Enjoyed that press conference.

Confidence is a very important thing in football, as it is in life in general when wanting to succeed, and Tony Pulis is a man who exudes confidence and this will rub off on the players. This is something Irvine lacked for me, as good a coach as Irvine may be, he just didnt seem to instil this confidence in our players. It's something Pulis himself alluded to in the press conference, our players just don't seem to have much confidence in the forward areas and this I feel is something Pulis will bring to us.

Interestingly he also said we need to bring in two or three players during the window, that suggests we will be offloading a few also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bob on January 02, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

He got loads of abuse as he always used to get one over on us.

I can't think of any manager more suited to keeping us up this season. If he can't do it then we do have serious problems.

Hopefully people like you who constantly slag the club of are in the minority and most of us get behind him and do our part in helping keep the Baggies up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tucka9 on January 02, 2015, 02:53:05 PM
I thought he spoke quite well, reading between the lines sounded like there's a few players he wouldn't want and a few players he wants to come in which is a plus.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 02, 2015, 03:03:44 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

Dont see anyone selling their soul.

As a club we are currently only going one way and have been for a while, backwards.

Hodgson gave us stability and a real geniune belief that we not only deserved to be in the premier league, but that we deserved to actually put up a fight and achieve good league positions.

Since Hodgson has left I havent felt positive about the new coaches we have had, Mel was the only coach since then that made me actually warm to his philosphies, whether that be because he didnt get the full backing or whatever else is for a different topic.

This season from the appointment of AI, to the protests for Season ticket refunds, the way we have played, tactics, formations and various other reasons, alot of fans patience have worn thin, few people on here have admitted to turning their backs on going to games for the first time in 10,20,30 years.

We have since appointed Pulis, and the buzz around the appointment and the lift it has given us fans is clear to see. You only have to look on  the pre match chat against Gateshead to see how many people have brought tickets to go watch tomorows game now, all because of appointing a manager many fans TRUST to get the best out of our football club.

As a baggies fan, all I want is for my team to do well, to fight and battle on the pitch, attempt to play some decent football at times, put up a challenge against the so called bigger teams, and just enjoy watching my team play.

I havent had that luxury in the last 2 seaons, but do I think Pulis can provide the above, yes I do, and I guarantee theres many more albion fans who believe that too.

Pulis already has the fans backing, something which AI didnt, and I for one wish him all the best in his time at WBA.

Boing Boing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 02, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
Good luck to the bloke . Best appointment at this given time . We need strength and confidence . Our season starts a week tomorrow .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 02, 2015, 03:23:01 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...
It's all about timing 2 years ago I wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole, but since then 2 things have happened:

1) We have gotten progressively worse, both on the pitch and off it
2) Tony Pulis has proved that, rather than be a one trick pony who only knows long ball, he is actually a very astute and intelligent manager who given the right group of players, can play attacking free flowing football whilst remaining tight defensively.

Accepting him is not selling your soul, it's accepting the right appointment at the right time. A square peg in a square hole.
There was, and is, no Irvine shaped hole.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 03:36:43 PM
He got loads of abuse as he always used to get one over on us.

I can't think of any manager more suited to keeping us up this season. If he can't do it then we do have serious problems.

Hopefully people like you who constantly slag the club of are in the minority and most of us get behind him and do our part in helping keep the Baggies up.

I have never slagged the club I have loved for 55 years, I have consistently been a critic of our Chairman's motives,  which have been noted on this forum and I feel are accurate.
As for Pullis let's wait and see, but I won't change my opinions on him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 02, 2015, 03:41:16 PM
I have never slagged the club I have loved for 55 years, I have consistently been a critic of our Chairman's motives,  which have been noted on this forum and I feel are accurate.
As for Pullis let's wait and see, but I won't change my opinions on him.
Why wait and see if you're not going to change your opinion?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bob on January 02, 2015, 03:49:52 PM
I have never slagged the club I have loved for 55 years, I have consistently been a critic of our Chairman's motives,  which have been noted on this forum and I feel are accurate.
As for Pullis let's wait and see, but I won't change my opinions on him.

I think we've all heard your one eyed opinions. It would be more credible if the club/chairman we praised for the good things rather than just lambasted for the things you think they have got wrong.

The last statement says it all. Even if a miracle happened and he got us into the Champions League positions you've already admitted you wouldn't change your mind
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 02, 2015, 03:52:17 PM
All this anti Pulis stuff is beyond me. The abuse he got was because he was good and successful at what he did, which therefore resulted in us being beaten more often than not. Not a match goes by without Jose Mourinho being abused in song by opposition supporters. Is that because he is rubbish and fans don't like his style of football? I think not! It's all about jealousy and wishing that their own club had someone as cunning and knowledgeable about how to get results in the face of adversity.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on January 02, 2015, 04:01:38 PM
Some characters in football are loved if they're yours but loathed if they're not. Pulis could well be one example of this.

COYB.

Neil Warnock being one (though in all fairness if we had appointed him I would have never gone back) Fan slagged the club of the Head Coach/Manager things Well we now have a manager. People say he won't play "The Albion Way" He hasn't had a team kick a ball yet offically! Stoke came up when Mowbray won the Championship and have stayed comfortably up ever since. We've won less than 20 games at home in the last 2 years. Hopefully he can sort us out to stay up No team has a right to the Prem but rather be in there. than the championship. That's what I'd like in a ideal world to be comfortably mid table and maybe have another Cup run. That's the future though Good luck Mr Pulis 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 02, 2015, 04:20:27 PM
To be fair, from his press conference today, I saw a very mature & measured Tony Pulis, not at all what I expected. What came over was a man who knew little about WBAFC & was asking for time to find out before he made decisions. Got to say, I'm on board with that.
The most telling comment for me was his statement about the relationship between "Manager & Chairman". As I understand it, he will be responsible to Terry Burton, with a dotted line responsibility to Richard Garlick. So I think we should stand by for a power struggle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 02, 2015, 04:33:50 PM
I think this is a fantastic appointment. I can’t understand what people who are against his appointment want. I get fed up with people who just moan for the sake of it.
All those who rave about Hodgson for instance. He was very defensive and regimented. His win % is very similar to Pulis and only marginally better with good players at Liverpool.
Who else did people want? Martinez, Brendon Rogers? Some people need to grow up and get real. This is premier league football. If you don’t like Pulis don’t come to the games, carry on whinging from your computer while the rest of us get on and support the club. Some people just have a moaning mind set. No matter who we would have got they would criticise. I have never liked Roy Keane but I would have had him play for us in a heart beat. He play in a so called cultured way but it was his passion and will to win that I want in my Albion team and Pulis will bring this. I want to be proud of my club for trying their hardest to win. Not trying to look pretty and lose.
Ask Arsenal fans would they be content to keep playing the “beautiful game” for the next 20 years and win nothing or play with players like  Keown or Bould  who are of the Pulis mould and gained many honours winning  games 1-0? 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on January 02, 2015, 05:03:41 PM
Good luck to the bloke . Best appointment at this given time . We need strength and confidence . Our season starts a week tomorrow .
Well it starts tomorrow for me! I agree with the comments from the likes of Merson & Savage, that say we're going to stay up now, & no I'm not just being cocky & getting complacent, it`s just that I've got so much belief in the guy! So, hopefully tomorrow will be the start of something that most Baggies fans like myself crave for ... A cup run!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 02, 2015, 05:11:25 PM
He's already spoken much about unity, togetherness  and making the place a fortress again - very sensible and pragmatic !

Anyone not ready to do their bit for the Club ?

I'm in !  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 02, 2015, 05:15:05 PM
Very impressive in his interviews today.

We should be in very capable hands if everyone at the Club does their job correctly and a few key additions PLUS the fans backing the team and coaches even if we get a few early set backs.

Wasn't going to Gateshead (with a heavy heart) after Citech and Stoke surrenders..................now you won't keep me away tomorrow as we enter a fascinating month...........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 02, 2015, 05:15:54 PM
For me the main objectives are:

1. Make the Hawthorns a fortress to which no team fancies coming, with a resulting rise in home wins/fewer defeats.

2. Make us a very tough team to beat when we play away.

3. To stop being viewed as a "too nice" team, which doesn't like a battle.

4. To get our identity back and to get the fans back on side.

Tony Pulis is capable of achieving all of this without reverting to anything like the "hoof ball"  reputation.  A bigger, stronger, faster side does not mean a team full of thugs.

For many years other clubs have "liked and respected" us.  I don't care if we are less "liked", but the "respect" must be retained.

Well done Jeremy Peace.  You've done a good job over the past few days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 02, 2015, 05:29:30 PM
What a bunch of tossers. Sums up in one picture EVERYTHING that is wrong with Professional football of today. If I was Pulis I'd tear all that rubbish away from their head and faces. It's not even bloody cold today! Were they not intending to do anything to actually warm up in training?? They are supposed to be professional athletes for gods sake, not a bunch of bloody gangsters! Just imagine what Hagan would have done with that lot in the winter of 1964.
you'd think they'd run around like headless chickens on the pitch just to keep warm! oh yeah they do! lol I'm sure TP will sort it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 02, 2015, 05:30:15 PM
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9629228/premier-league-new-west-brom-manager-tony-pulis-outlines-his-vision-for-the-club
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 02, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
I enjoyed listening to his interviews, Pulis is a leader who will demand respect. Happy with the news that we will play a strong side against Gateshead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on January 02, 2015, 05:34:15 PM
Having watched his interviews it' strikes me what a Colossal mistake Palace have made letting him go. Hopeful he will stay for a number of years and build a legacy wher we are the no. 1 side in the midlands
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 02, 2015, 05:40:58 PM
Anyone else think the fact he wasn't able to join anyone until Jan 1st mean we've planned this quite some way in advance? Just seems a little too convenient?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we had planned this coup all along. Back to the days of sounding out a potential replacement early on?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on January 02, 2015, 05:42:39 PM
At about 6.18 in the interview just posted on twitter - quote 'supporters come to see their team win!' what more is there to be said!
edit - shows a great sense of humour at the end!
needless to say I'm pleased Tony Pulis is manager of WBA at this time!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BRIAN on January 02, 2015, 05:49:39 PM
My award goes to "labaggies" who made my forecast right.He is the first to have a go at the new man.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 02, 2015, 06:03:04 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

I agree with you 100%, I've slagged him & his teams off for the time wasting/cheating/bully boy/anti football tactics they've employed to beat us, so I'm not going to change my opinion (like many have) on him just because he's now our head coach, HOWEVER, like Alan Irvine before him I will give Pulis my full backing for 90 minutes each week while he holds that esteemed title.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 02, 2015, 06:08:32 PM
Anyone else think the fact he wasn't able to join anyone until Jan 1st mean we've planned this quite some way in advance? Just seems a little too convenient?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we had planned this coup all along. Back to the days of sounding out a potential replacement early on?

Was thinking exactly the same myself, maybe a case of JP thinking get a patsy in for a few months & the fans will be desperate for someone like Pulis, (I do love a conspiracy theory)     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on January 02, 2015, 06:11:12 PM
In Pulis we have probably found our best chance of Premier League survival.  I also suspect he potentially offers out greatest opportunity of promotion next season should he be unsuccessful in this. I certainly hope he achieves this without resorting to the one dimensional football he employed at Stoke. Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 02, 2015, 06:36:17 PM
Was thinking exactly the same myself, maybe a case of JP thinking get a patsy in for a few months & the fans will be desperate for someone like Pulis, (I do love a conspiracy theory)   

Irvine was appointed before Pulis resigned. This must be seen as a massive coup for the fortune telling department.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 02, 2015, 06:40:54 PM
Irvine was appointed before Pulis resigned. This must be seen as a massive coup for the fortune telling department.

We've got a fortune telling department? thats what you call covering all base's.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 06:55:31 PM
I am not a hypocrite, and I won't change the opinion I have held about Pullis.

I remember the abuse he has been rightly given over the years, for me he is not welcome, at The Hawthorns.

We are in a desperate situation, and maybe that's why so many of you have such short memories, and are prepared to sell your soul...

I'm with you, I am saddened by this appointment.

Although I want the club to be in the Premier League and continue to improve the squad and the club, I think the owner and directors almost deserve for the club to be relegated, in appointing their own man in the summer but not giving in him the time, and then giving Pulis, whose style of football and characters in his squad and attitude at Stoke always seemed like the antithesis of our team, a fat contract and the autonomy never afforded to his predecessors.

All Peace is doing is protecting his asset, ensuring it stays in the Premier League, the TV money keeps rolling in, his salary keeps rising and he makes a tidy sum when he finally decides to sell up.

The directors made mistakes in the summer, whether it was appointing Irvine or their scatter gun transfer policy (possibly both), which many fans pointed out, now they try to cover these mistakes by appointing Pulis, who in most circumstances would be oppugnant to fans, but now he's welcomed and the directors are praised for their effectiveness.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2015, 07:00:41 PM
Another one with this anti-football diatribe i keep seeing.

we have seen anti-football under Irvine believe me what Pulis will bring will be a million miles from what we have endured this season so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliewestbrom on January 02, 2015, 07:05:28 PM
Another one with this anti-football diatribe i keep seeing.

we have seen anti-football under Irvine believe me what Pulis will bring will be a million miles from what we have endured this season so far

Fair enough on that count re: Irvine but as many fans will attest too when they think back, Pulis's Stoke boarded on anti-football and pushed some of the boundaries of sportsmanship.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 07:09:23 PM
I'm with you, I am saddened by this appointment.

Although I want the club to be in the Premier League and continue to improve the squad and the club, I think the owner and directors almost deserve for the club to be relegated, in appointing their own man in the summer but not giving in him the time, and then giving Pulis, whose style of football and characters in his squad and attitude at Stoke always seemed like the antithesis of our team, a fat contract and the autonomy never afforded to his predecessors.

All Peace is doing is protecting his asset, ensuring it stays in the Premier League, the TV money keeps rolling in, his salary keeps rising and he makes a tidy sum when he finally decides to sell up.

The directors made mistakes in the summer, whether it was appointing Irvine or their scatter gun transfer policy (possibly both), which many fans pointed out, now they try to cover these mistakes by appointing Pulis, who in most circumstances would be oppugnant to fans, but now he's welcomed and the directors are praised for their effectiveness.

Of course he is protecting his asset, he's a businessman.

The wrong appointment was made in the Summer and in order to try and get the club back on a sound base we've gone for an experienced bloke who is well versed as a number one in this division, something we've been crying out for whether we like him or loathe him (and most of us have over the years).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 02, 2015, 07:09:59 PM
Fair enough on that count re: Irvine but as many fans will attest too when they think back, Pulis's Stoke boarded on anti-football and pushed some of the boundaries of sportsmanship.

That's true, but you can hardly say that about his more recent Palace team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 02, 2015, 07:16:43 PM
His Palace side played some brilliant football last season.

His Stoke side played some good stuff too at times, they wouldn't have got where they have without having played some decent stuff...

Yes his Stoke side played some questionable tactics at times, but were they effective?? Yes!

We can't compete financially on many levels with a lot of teams and that includes Championship sides now who have much richer owners.

We have to play effective football and make ourselves hard to beat and a team no one likes to play, Pulis will make us that team

i don't see what is wrong with that, Yes I want to be entertained, i also want too see passion and games where we gain points and not lose them easily by being a soft touch.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2015, 07:34:12 PM
The fact that he used his players to get his Clubs to succeed is in my book a successful manager and that is all that matters.
It is strange that those moaning about him do not offer a credible alternative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 02, 2015, 07:43:06 PM
Anyone else think the fact he wasn't able to join anyone until Jan 1st mean we've planned this quite some way in advance? Just seems a little too convenient?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if we had planned this coup all along. Back to the days of sounding out a potential replacement early on?

I absolutely thought this. Bang on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on January 02, 2015, 07:44:23 PM
Too many people believe the "West Brasil" tag. Since the Giles/Atkinson team of the late seventies we have rarely seen good football. For the most part it has been hard work to watch, and this season really boring.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 02, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
I'm with you, I am saddened by this appointment.

Although I want the club to be in the Premier League and continue to improve the squad and the club, I think the owner and directors almost deserve for the club to be relegated, in appointing their own man in the summer but not giving in him the time, and then giving Pulis, whose style of football and characters in his squad and attitude at Stoke always seemed like the antithesis of our team, a fat contract and the autonomy never afforded to his predecessors.

All Peace is doing is protecting his asset, ensuring it stays in the Premier League, the TV money keeps rolling in, his salary keeps rising and he makes a tidy sum when he finally decides to sell up.

The directors made mistakes in the summer, whether it was appointing Irvine or their scatter gun transfer policy (possibly both), which many fans pointed out, now they try to cover these mistakes by appointing Pulis, who in most circumstances would be oppugnant to fans, but now he's welcomed and the directors are praised for their effectiveness.

Saint Irvine was too nice and the results reflected that. All winners sail close to the edge of fair play Daglish Ferguson Suarez etc etc Do you think Barcelona play this despicable football you allude to.No, But they overlook some players objectionable traits because they want to win. Its not the 1950's ( where I'm sure there were unattractive winning teams) Unfortunately in the real world the Albion can't afford too may aesthetic morals
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 02, 2015, 07:54:39 PM
I think it's a great appointment. I've never been a Pulis fan, but I'm damned sure I could be a massive one!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on January 02, 2015, 08:01:32 PM
Just listening to five live and they've just played a snipit of an interview he did this afternoon.

He did confirm he spoke to Megson and Hodgson before taking the job!

He also confirmed that he has tried on a few caps  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 02, 2015, 08:05:09 PM
Just listening to five live and they've just played a snipit of an interview he did this afternoon.

He did confirm he spoke to Megson and Hodgson before taking the job!

He also confirmed that he has tried on a few caps  ;D
And 5 minutes ago Phil Neville said on 5 Live after getting to know Pulis he was the best manager he had ever spoken to about the game. Thats a direct quote.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 02, 2015, 08:10:55 PM
Too many people believe the "West Brasil" tag. Since the Giles/Atkinson team of the late seventies we have rarely seen good football. For the most part it has been hard work to watch, and this season really boring.

I agree, what is this magical football they are on about that we have been seeing since the 70's because for quite sometime now I haven't seen it at all.

Since Hodgson left the standard of football has been dire, before he came it was dire, the Albion way... laughable.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 02, 2015, 08:13:44 PM
Hope everyone has praised the board for acting decisively, quickly and seamlessly in getting a man deemed 'not a good fit' for our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2015, 08:18:45 PM
I agree, what is this magical football they are on about that we have been seeing since the 70's because for quite sometime now I haven't seen it at all.

Since Hodgson left the standard of football has been dire, before he came it was dire, the Albion way... laughable.
It wasn't always dire under Clarke, thought we played some good stuff in his first season. 5-5 against man utd one of the best matches in prem history.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:20:08 PM
It is nice to see those that "supported" Irvine condemning others for having reservations about Pulis based on his history.

For what it is worth,  I wasn't enamoured with the appointment of Irvine but supported him (and still cannot believe some of the unwarranted vitriol that was shown towards him). I am not enamoured with the appointment of Pulis but will be supporting him from now on. He is the coach of my club.

However, I might point out the hypocrisy of some of our supporters along the way. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:24:07 PM
It is nice to see those that "supported" Irvine condemning others for having reservations about Pulis based on his history.

For what it is worth,  I wasn't enamoured with the appointment of Irvine but supported him (and still cannot believe some of the unwarranted vitriol that was shown towards him). I am not enamoured with the appointment of Pulis but will be supporting him from now on. He is the coach of my club.

However, I might point out the hypocrisy of some of our supporters along the way. ;)

Don't be surprised if some comments get removed then. Its a forum for discussion not for some to take the moral high ground as has been the case way too often over the past few months.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
Don't be surprised if some comments get removed then. Its a forum for discussion not for some to take the moral high ground as has been the case way too often over the past few months.

Make a good point, VVV has said himself in as many words he's only here to point out errors in others posts, in other words trolling. Which is a shame because his input is well worth reading at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:27:26 PM
Don't be surprised if some comments get removed then. Its a forum for discussion not for some to take the moral high ground as has been the case way too often over the past few months.
Isn't it a forum for opinions   :-*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 02, 2015, 08:28:33 PM
It is nice to see those that "supported" Irvine condemning others for having reservations about Pulis based on his history.

For what it is worth,  I wasn't enamoured with the appointment of Irvine but supported him (and still cannot believe some of the unwarranted vitriol that was shown towards him). I am not enamoured with the appointment of Pulis but will be supporting him from now on. He is the coach of my club.

However, I might point out the hypocrisy of some of our supporters along the way. ;)
lol...ve vees going to get ya ve vees going to get ya la la la la. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:29:02 PM
Make a good point, VVV has said himself in as many words he's only here to point out errors in others posts, in other words trolling. Which is a shame because his input is well worth reading at times.
If correcting factual inaccuracies is trolling, call me a troll.  :-[
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:29:57 PM
Isn't it a forum for opinions   :-*

Yes it is and even those you don't agree with are to be treated respectfully.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 02, 2015, 08:32:41 PM
Yes it is and even those you don't agree with are to be treated respectfully.
Check my deleted bin. (Made up statistic alert) 98% respectful with 2% mocking the completely ridiculous.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stubba on January 02, 2015, 08:33:28 PM
Listen at the end end of The day Alan Irvine may have been a nice guy but sport is about winning & we weren't, the outcome was obvious relegation so we needed to act & fast & we have lets get behind TP
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 02, 2015, 08:35:36 PM
Check my deleted bin. (Made up statistic alert) 98% respectful with 2% mocking the completely ridiculous.  ;D

Check our deleted bin, I bet its bigger than yours.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 02, 2015, 09:16:18 PM
For me, the overriding positive factor, is the palpable sense of relief among the vast majority of Albion fans that's given us all that priceless gift of uniting virtually all of the supporters.

Regardless of any misgivings from past events and era's, we all know deep down that there is no one out there better suited to manage the challenges we face over the next few months in particular, and hopefully the full timespan of his contract and beyond.

Exciting and interesting times ahead, and a monumentally astute appointment by the Albion hierarchy.

   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2015, 09:22:06 PM
For me, the overriding positive factor, is the palpable sense of relief among the vast majority of Albion fans that's given us all that priceless gift of uniting virtually all of the supporters.

Regardless of any misgivings from past events and era's, we all know deep down that there is no one out there better suited to manage the challenges we face over the next few months in particular, and hopefully the full timespan of his contract and beyond.

Exciting and interesting times ahead, and a monumentally astute appointment by the Albion hierarchy.

   
Good rant! I might come near you if I can get in! 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 02, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Good rant! I might come near you if I can get in! 8)

Plenty of tickets available if you fancy the match tomorrow? You can break the habit of a lifetime and buy me a pre-match pint  ::)

As always let me know whenever you need tickets.

Great appointment, even though, worryingly, Pulis even looks a bit like you.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 02, 2015, 09:40:48 PM
Plenty of tickets available if you fancy the match tomorrow? You can break the habit of a lifetime and buy me a pre-match pint  ::)

As always let me know whenever you need tickets.

Great appointment, even though, worryingly, Pulis even looks a bit like you.
Working mate!! The Ski industry does not run well with football!! Got my annual day off Sunday!
I think Tony Pulis is the very best for us.I cannot think of anyone better. I am surprised the deal was done so quickly as he is no fool and wants his way?He left Palace as he could not do so?

I don't think he is as good looking as me mind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 02, 2015, 09:48:11 PM
What a difference a week can make for moral, this is all very encouraging. Can't wait for the hull game and I haven't said that at all this season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: labaggies on January 02, 2015, 11:36:51 PM
Hope everyone has praised the board for acting decisively, quickly and seamlessly in getting a man deemed 'not a good fit' for our club.
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I find that statement objectionable, my opinion is that Peace after years of shocking appointments, has appointed a questionable Head Coach, a man who has been ridiculed by the majority over a number of years.
Appointing Pullis can never be described as creative.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 02, 2015, 11:44:46 PM
labaggies...Doubting Thomas?

I hope you are proved wrong.
Maybe not the Messiah, but we need help and guidance.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charlebaggie on January 02, 2015, 11:45:19 PM
Is there a book being taken ?when the 1st post will be posted about our style of Football under Pulis . Can see it now " This football is boring under Pulis"  Only jesting COYB
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 02, 2015, 11:49:00 PM
If Pulis was coming here straight from Stoke I'd be very concerned about the style of play. But he did turn palace into a team who played well.

I did object to start with, but now here's here he gets my support and I hope to be impressed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 02, 2015, 11:53:55 PM
All football as in life, is a learning curve.
TP is also learning the pluses.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 03, 2015, 12:50:39 AM
Is there a book being taken ?when the 1st post will be posted about our style of Football under Pulis . Can see it now " This football is boring under Pulis"  Only jesting COYB

About two minutes past three tomorrow by some armchair warrior I'd reckon.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on January 03, 2015, 01:03:23 AM
Unfortunately some people think there word or opinion is gospel that's were most arguments start, we all have our own views no one's right, Noticed bit arrogance or ignorance lately on here shame we can't debate without people crossing the line and turning petty.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chinawhite on January 03, 2015, 01:28:22 AM
im sure some people are forgetting we had 2 years of utter **** now we have a bloke who wont take **** from the players . you think we played free flowing football in the last 4/5 years . under hodgson we were hard to beat and disciplined we will be the same with pulis .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on January 03, 2015, 01:43:10 AM
What a difference a week can make for moral, this is all very encouraging. Can't wait for the hull game and I haven't said that at all this season

That's a important point, moral on here has lifted, hopefully it will in the stands and give the players a boost and so on....

The psychological side of football is greatly under estimated. We saw recently with AI that the fans behaviour does have an impact on the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 03, 2015, 02:18:34 AM
Is there a book being taken ?when the 1st post will be posted about our style of Football under Pulis . Can see it now " This football is boring under Pulis"  Only jesting COYB

We have had sh*t football for 2 years and risk relegation as a result of bad management. Time for someone competent to sort out the rot so we can move forward at last. Sherwood, who was the alternative, would have been yet another unproven gamble at best, the previous three gambles having worked out less than ideally to put it diplomatically.

I have always maintained that Albion needs to play good, high tempo attacking football but that has to be built on a basis of competency. TP at the very least is a competent Premier League manager. Once he has sorted us out THEN I will start to look how the club is progressing. But first is to stop the rot that started under Clarke (even Hodgson possibly) and has gripped the club ever since. 

To be extremely frank, I am tired of having idiots in charge who make obvious and stupid mistakes time and time again. Even when Pulis was at Stoke he always knew exactly the game plan our coaches would come up with and had no trouble negating them. I hated Pulis's Stoke "football" but at least he is intelligent and Palace showed that he is not a one trick hoof pony only. Pulis will get the job done short term and hopefully lay the foundation for a positive progress for our club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Cornwallbaggie on January 03, 2015, 03:57:08 AM
Hopefully we'll also have a better transfer policy now. I remember a few weeks ago when TP was a stand-in pundit on Sky's Soccer Saturday. He was totally incredulous that Albion would spend 10m on a player (Ideye) who they'd only seen on a dvd. He implied he wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole.

Any future signings (and departures) will be well researched, priority-focused and pragmatic.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jack Thrust on January 03, 2015, 07:36:55 AM
Well personally I am very, very happy with this appointment.

I've just been watching the interviews and the press conference with him and one thing that stands out for me is his total focus on winning matches. He is very clear what he wants. I think recently we have suffered from being a bit wishy-washy in our outlook both on and off the pitch and focus is something we really need.

Also nice to see him not trotting out the usual platitudes, he seems very much his own man. I am now feeling a lot more confident than I have at any point since Roy left, I am actually looking forward to matches now!

Really wish I didn't have to work today so I could be there to get behind the lads and Tony, things are looking up Baggies long may it continue!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dangerman on January 03, 2015, 09:01:14 AM
Just heard Kemp on talk sport.

He said their main aim this season is to stay up and moving forward to compete in the premier league and hopefully win some trophies. He specifically mentioned the FA Cup which was nice to hear.

They asked him if Berahino would be an Albion player at the end of the window and he didn't really answer the question and would guess by the way he avoided the question that there is potential that he is leaving this window.

He also said they're hopeful of adding to the squad this window as well.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 03, 2015, 09:26:57 AM
There's a decent article in the Birmingham Mail, suggesting he wants to bring a couple of players in. Getting a good wad for Saido would certainly help to fund that.
Apart from getting them off the wages bill, I can't see many others that a) clubs would want & b) would want to pay a lot of money for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mrmojorisin on January 03, 2015, 10:55:35 AM
Tony Pulis has been in post for only a couple of days and he has already done more straight talking and made more pertinent and realistic comments than we have heard from a head coach in the past two years.

I have confidence from hearing him and his track record that he will get this club turned around.  I am not so confident that he has enough time to avoid relegation but we do know he will give it a damn good try.  If we do go down then I can think of no one better to get us back up.

I expect also to see him cull a lot of the dead wood, possibly in January (if anyone will buy the buggers) but certainly at the end of the season, wherever we are.

A couple of months I posted that I had become indifferent and disinterested with the Albion.  The appointment of TP has reinvigorated me!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 03, 2015, 11:19:59 AM
Appointing Tony Pulis has many similarities of when we appointed Ron Atkinson first time round (1978). After about 18 successful  months in charge, John Giles shocked everyone by announcing he was leaving, Ronnie Allen took over and then decided after 6 months he was leaving for pastures green, the club was in a spin and unstable and fans were depressed.

Enter stage left "Big Ron", and he made the place rock, he raised the profile of West Bromwich Albion like never before, we were always featured on the back pages of daily and local papers being linked with this player, that player and of course our "Champaign Style of Football", which all gave the club and supporters belief and momentum and, as they say, the rest is history and probable the best it has ever has been.

Now I'm not saying TP will reach the heights of the late 70's early 80's, although I hope he does, but he is a character he is enthusiastic, determined, a motivator and nothing sells or rubs off more than enthusiasm. There's a lot more required as well, but in TP I believe we have the right man for the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 03, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
I've been against his appointment but of course I will back him, and so far I think he has spoken very well. He made a slightly cryptic comment in the presser about knowing whats happened in the last year or two and relating that to transfers - so who knows but maybe he already has a clear idea where the trouble makers are and has plans to move them on.

I imagine that within football, the rumours are fairly rife and I bet that the players reaction to Clarke, Mel and Irvine are well known within the business.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were a few shocks in terms of departures - not because of the quality of the player but because of their behaviour and influence within the team. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on January 03, 2015, 11:55:27 AM
Pleased to see that TP consulted Roy Hodgson, Dan Ashworth, Gary Megson, and even AI about the club.
Very pleased to hear that his good friend Gary Megson, called Albion "a wonderful club".
Class is permanent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 03, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
His biggest ever win as a head coach /manager. But should Downing get the credit lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 03, 2015, 05:51:26 PM
His biggest ever win as a head coach /manager. But should Downing get the credit lol
LOL! Not after "Going Downstairs" after 30 mins or so!! :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: garry on January 03, 2015, 05:55:23 PM
His biggest ever win as a head coach /manager. But should Downing get the credit lol
Give Downing credit for holding Gateshead for the first 30 minutes until Pulis took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 03, 2015, 06:30:22 PM
Downing and Kiely are GOING, you mark my words!

No I am not ITK, but I did just have a cup of tea and swished the old leaves around.... about as on the money as today's pundits were....  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 03, 2015, 07:35:33 PM
All the 2nd half he kept SHOUTING for our player to take their players on & get into the box & move the ball, here's to seeing the team following these instuctions.On wards & upwards lads.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 03, 2015, 07:50:55 PM
Great to see Pulis so animated on the touchline today. Reminded me alot of Gary Megson and I certainly have not seen any Manager/Head Coach act like that since Lord Megson.

Nice to hear Megson has been singing our praises to TP even though he left under a cloud and wasn't invited to the ten year bash.

Maybe Megson is after a coaching job?  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Andio on January 03, 2015, 07:54:47 PM
I could hear TP shouting over the top of the fans and I was halfway up the SME. Great to see, he put the fear of god into me lol, just what we need.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 04, 2015, 12:02:56 AM
Great to see Pulis so animated on the touchline today. Reminded me alot of Gary Megson and I certainly have not seen any Manager/Head Coach act like that since Lord Megson.

Nice to hear Megson has been singing our praises to TP even though he left under a cloud and wasn't invited to the ten year bash.

Maybe Megson is after a coaching job?  ;)
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We could do a lot worse!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 04, 2015, 02:03:21 AM
Give Downing credit for holding Gateshead for the first 30 minutes until Pulis took over.


Lol.  :D

/just holding them. Oster should've scored.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 04, 2015, 09:42:37 AM
I know its only Gatshead but I already feel so much more optimistic and confident about the rest of the season. One thing I noticed was that the players weren't pressing the ball enough in the first forty minutes. Throughout the second half non stop pressing from us not seen Brunt sprinting that much in an awful long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dudleylad on January 04, 2015, 09:46:01 AM
I was hearing a few of his former players talking about him a few days ago on the TV and they say he makes you want to play for him and each other.

Ive read elsewhere that hes tightening down on the injuries and those players injured must report 4-5 times a day for treatment and also fines will be dished out for muscle pulls (I would imagine slight ones).

Hes certainly going to make sure no one is swinging the lead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Groovephil on January 04, 2015, 10:50:15 AM
Forget the opposition but how nice was it to see a manager change the game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on January 04, 2015, 10:59:54 AM
Forget the opposition but how nice was it to see a manager change the game

He's not prepared to sit and wait for things to happen - he sees it isn't right and blooming well fixes it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: beechyboy90 on January 04, 2015, 11:11:27 AM
I was hearing a few of his former players talking about him a few days ago on the TV and they say he makes you want to play for him and each other.

Ive read elsewhere that hes tightening down on the injuries and those players injured must report 4-5 times a day for treatment and also fines will be dished out for muscle pulls (I would imagine slight ones).

Hes certainly going to make sure no one is swinging the lead.

We might some of big vics wages back then if there are going to be fines for silly injuries
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 04, 2015, 12:09:50 PM
He has got a week to look at our players.
Sort out our strengths and instil his method of playing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 04, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
During the game yesterday he kept calling Sess to go wide right and get the ball to him "quicker" and when he received the ball, it was "take him on! take him on!" "go on!" "Push up!"

It was also interesting to note that he kept calling Berahino in the first half but Saido didn't once look over. That changed in the second half after the hair dryer treatment in the changing room fur HT.

I think we're likely to see a lot of Mozza, Varela, McAuley and Dawson. After all their running and tackles he was applauding them and encouraging them. Great management.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 04, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
During the game yesterday he kept calling Sess to go wide right and get the ball to him "quicker" and when he received the ball, it was "take him on! take him on!" "go on!" "Push up!"

It was also interesting to note that he kept calling Berahino in the first half but Saido didn't once look over. That changed in the second half after the hair dryer treatment in the changing room fur HT.

I think we're likely to see a lot of Mozza, Varela, McAuley and Dawson. After all their running and tackles he was applauding them and encouraging them. Great management.

It's great to see a manager do that.

As other have said, that was a characteristic of Megson on the touchline too. I lost count of the times I heard him over the crowd noise during games barking out instructions.

I do like that engaged and proactive approach from a Boss. It rubs off on the players but it stirs the crowd as well. Terrible for the manager's blood pressure, but overall it sends the right signals out to everyone.

Come on you Baggies.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 04, 2015, 03:13:29 PM
It can also have the opposite affect. Some players, especially foreigners, prefer to be 'trusted' in their play and don't like being shouted at.
 
That said, I love it  :D Great to see some passion, rather than constant watch checking...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 04, 2015, 03:37:19 PM
My dad was at the game with my sister and her husband and kids and were in the halfords behind Pulis and he said he was constantly coaching , shouting and swearing at the players..

I like to see a manager having an active game urging players on and seeing the game properly as he is involved

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 04, 2015, 06:14:58 PM
I, like a few i should imagine, wasn't going to go yesterday i am a season ticket holder and haven't been going to matches i can avoid with the rubbish i have been watching.
I have come up with the following assumptions watching yesterday:

It was a breath of fresh air watch TP on the line actually coaching during the game, we have not seen that for a few years.
The right back position is still a problem and unless Gamboa is picked we may have to get one in.
The centre of midfield is much to lightwieght with Morrison that deep can't see that lasting although much better when Yacob came on.
If Samaros is fit he could do a job for us in the number 10 position.

I had a feeling the players were still in shock and feel he may have to get a few out to get complete control of ghe dressing room , but have no doubt he will

I haven't been this excited about a appointment for years, have a good feeling he is the right man for us.






Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 05, 2015, 06:50:47 PM
Did I just hear correctly Tony Pulis lives next door to Harry on Sandbanks
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 05, 2015, 06:55:02 PM
Did I just hear correctly Tony Pulis lives next door to Harry on Sandbanks

He does live down that way so possibly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 05, 2015, 06:57:01 PM
Harry...Sandbanks?
I am lost. Doh!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 06, 2015, 10:54:07 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fancy-becoming-harry-redknapps-neighbour-3605813

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Tony-s-home-sweet-home/story-12557785-detail/story.html

They're not exactly next door neighbours, but they are a 10 minute stroll away from each other.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 11:28:59 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/fancy-becoming-harry-redknapps-neighbour-3605813

http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Tony-s-home-sweet-home/story-12557785-detail/story.html

They're not exactly next door neighbours, but they are a 10 minute stroll away from each other.



One of the most expensive places to live in the world i am told
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 02:26:28 PM
Been thinking about this one for the last week or so now, still not entirely made up my mind.

I think firstly nobody can criticise JP or the board in any way over this one, acted quickly, secured the number 1 target, made the concessions we needed to in order to land him.  Nobody is guaranteed to be a success or failure anywhere they go but Pulis is a near enough the best manager available for a club of our size in our position. Whilst he doesn't guarantee us staying up he shortens our odds far more than any other realistic appointment would of. He also showed at Palace he might not be quite so direct as he was at Stoke, and whilst I would disagree with some of the comment saying they played free flowing attacking football they weren't a bad side to watch. Good exciting football doesn't need to be Barcelona/Mowbray style football and an aggressive, fast paced, high tempo pressing game would be welcome down the Hawthorns.

Defensively we should be at our best since Hodgson if not better and certainly can't see us blowing any 3-0 leads at home any time soon.

However.......

The 6 months or so he had at Palace were outstanding, but we are not/should not be in the same position Palace were then. Palace were a team with Championship players, we are an established PL side with established PL players. It's been a poor 2 years but on paper that side is more than good enough to stay up comfortably and it's worth noting despite the absolute mess of the last 18 months we've still only spent about a week in the bottom 3 in that time. I don't think we can get much worse than we have been and even that's been good enough to keep us out the relegation zone and whilst the margins are fine and 16th wouldn't be disastrous right now there's no reason we should be looking to finish top 12 now.

Then there's the football he played at Stoke. I'd genuinely rather get relegated playing the way we did under Mowbray than stay up the way Stoke did. You can say you can only play to the strengths you've got and theres nothing wrong with establishing a Championship side that way for a couple of years but Pulis had 7/8 years there with the majority in the Prem and the side/style he left was barely worthy of being called football. Shortening the pitch to its minimum size, giving the ball boys towels so Delap could wipe the ball, playing for throw ins. That's not why I go to watch football games. If he brings that style rather than the Palace one it's just simply unwatchable, especially after the novelty of having someone competent in charge has worn off after 6 months.

His record in the transfer market at Stoke was absolutely appalling, 3rd highest net spenders behind City and Chelsea over a prolonged period I dont think they ever sold a player for a profit in that time and I cant remember anyone being courted by or sold to a club like Spurs, Everton or one of the top 4/5. Apparently he wanted a higher calibre player like Sigurdsson at Palace and that was why he left. If he still wants players like that (I've seen Lennon being linked) then fair enough, however if we start making moves for Huth, Adam, Whealan, Walters, Wilson etc then I will be seriously worried.

I think there's a lot of people with very short memories on here and whilst there's nothing wrong with that as such if you were to play devils advocate and we appointed him after he left Stoke I think the reaction on here would of been one of near disgust. 6 months good work at Palace does change the situation but doesnt hide his time at Stoke completely, especially the last 3 years there.

I do however think we will freshen the whole thing up (although Jewell and Francis in particular looks like something Redknapp would assemble) which is badly needed right now. Some players will get a kick and others will be moved on. Certainly nobody will be resting on their laurels now and it will be an interesting (off the pitch at least, hopefully on as well!) next 2/3 transfer windows.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 02:28:32 PM
one thing is for sure anybody coming in was better than what we had and we have a far better chance now of beating the drop
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 06, 2015, 02:32:54 PM
Been thinking about this one for the last week or so now, still not entirely made up my mind.

I think firstly nobody can criticise JP or the board in any way over this one, acted quickly, secured the number 1 target, made the concessions we needed to in order to land him.  Nobody is guaranteed to be a success or failure anywhere they go but Pulis is a near enough the best manager available for a club of our size in our position. Whilst he doesn't guarantee us staying up he shortens our odds far more than any other realistic appointment would of. He also showed at Palace he might not be quite so direct as he was at Stoke, and whilst I would disagree with some of the comment saying they played free flowing attacking football they weren't a bad side to watch. Good exciting football doesn't need to be Barcelona/Mowbray style football and an aggressive, fast paced, high tempo pressing game would be welcome down the Hawthorns.

Defensively we should be at our best since Hodgson if not better and certainly can't see us blowing any 3-0 leads at home any time soon.

However.......

The 6 months or so he had at Palace were outstanding, but we are not/should not be in the same position Palace were then. Palace were a team with Championship players, we are an established PL side with established PL players. It's been a poor 2 years but on paper that side is more than good enough to stay up comfortably and it's worth noting despite the absolute mess of the last 18 months we've still only spent about a week in the bottom 3 in that time. I don't think we can get much worse than we have been and even that's been good enough to keep us out the relegation zone and whilst the margins are fine and 16th wouldn't be disastrous right now there's no reason we should be looking to finish top 12 now.

Then there's the football he played at Stoke. I'd genuinely rather get relegated playing the way we did under Mowbray than stay up the way Stoke did. You can say you can only play to the strengths you've got and theres nothing wrong with establishing a Championship side that way for a couple of years but Pulis had 7/8 years there with the majority in the Prem and the side/style he left was barely worthy of being called football. Shortening the pitch to its minimum size, giving the ball boys towels so Delap could wipe the ball, playing for throw ins. That's not why I go to watch football games. If he brings that style rather than the Palace one it's just simply unwatchable, especially after the novelty of having someone competent in charge has worn off after 6 months.

His record in the transfer market at Stoke was absolutely appalling, 3rd highest net spenders behind City and Chelsea over a prolonged period I dont think they ever sold a player for a profit in that time and I cant remember anyone being courted by or sold to a club like Spurs, Everton or one of the top 4/5. Apparently he wanted a higher calibre player like Sigurdsson at Palace and that was why he left. If he still wants players like that (I've seen Lennon being linked) then fair enough, however if we start making moves for Huth, Adam, Whealan, Walters, Wilson etc then I will be seriously worried.

I think there's a lot of people with very short memories on here and whilst there's nothing wrong with that as such if you were to play devils advocate and we appointed him after he left Stoke I think the reaction on here would of been one of near disgust. 6 months good work at Palace does change the situation but doesnt hide his time at Stoke completely, especially the last 3 years there.

I do however think we will freshen the whole thing up (although Jewell and Francis in particular looks like something Redknapp would assemble) which is badly needed right now. Some players will get a kick and others will be moved on. Certainly nobody will be resting on their laurels now and it will be an interesting (off the pitch at least, hopefully on as well!) next 2/3 transfer windows.

Good post all in all.

I quite like the look of his new coaching team, years of experience and know how available for him if needed.

The Stoke players you name, I actually wouldnt mind 1 or 2 of them here.

Like many have said, TP knows how to make a team play to its strengths, and realistically that is all the majority of albion fans want to see.

We aint all stupid enough to see that we maybe cannot play free flowing attacking football because we dont have the personal for it, but we do have the personal to become hard to beat and to trouble teams on the counter, and thats exactly how I expect us to play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 02:45:45 PM
Been thinking about this one for the last week or so now, still not entirely made up my mind.

I think firstly nobody can criticise JP or the board in any way over this one, acted quickly, secured the number 1 target, made the concessions we needed to in order to land him.  Nobody is guaranteed to be a success or failure anywhere they go but Pulis is a near enough the best manager available for a club of our size in our position. Whilst he doesn't guarantee us staying up he shortens our odds far more than any other realistic appointment would of. He also showed at Palace he might not be quite so direct as he was at Stoke, and whilst I would disagree with some of the comment saying they played free flowing attacking football they weren't a bad side to watch. Good exciting football doesn't need to be Barcelona/Mowbray style football and an aggressive, fast paced, high tempo pressing game would be welcome down the Hawthorns.

Defensively we should be at our best since Hodgson if not better and certainly can't see us blowing any 3-0 leads at home any time soon.

However.......

The 6 months or so he had at Palace were outstanding, but we are not/should not be in the same position Palace were then. Palace were a team with Championship players, we are an established PL side with established PL players. It's been a poor 2 years but on paper that side is more than good enough to stay up comfortably and it's worth noting despite the absolute mess of the last 18 months we've still only spent about a week in the bottom 3 in that time. I don't think we can get much worse than we have been and even that's been good enough to keep us out the relegation zone and whilst the margins are fine and 16th wouldn't be disastrous right now there's no reason we should be looking to finish top 12 now.

Then there's the football he played at Stoke. I'd genuinely rather get relegated playing the way we did under Mowbray than stay up the way Stoke did. You can say you can only play to the strengths you've got and theres nothing wrong with establishing a Championship side that way for a couple of years but Pulis had 7/8 years there with the majority in the Prem and the side/style he left was barely worthy of being called football. Shortening the pitch to its minimum size, giving the ball boys towels so Delap could wipe the ball, playing for throw ins. That's not why I go to watch football games. If he brings that style rather than the Palace one it's just simply unwatchable, especially after the novelty of having someone competent in charge has worn off after 6 months.

His record in the transfer market at Stoke was absolutely appalling, 3rd highest net spenders behind City and Chelsea over a prolonged period I dont think they ever sold a player for a profit in that time and I cant remember anyone being courted by or sold to a club like Spurs, Everton or one of the top 4/5. Apparently he wanted a higher calibre player like Sigurdsson at Palace and that was why he left. If he still wants players like that (I've seen Lennon being linked) then fair enough, however if we start making moves for Huth, Adam, Whealan, Walters, Wilson etc then I will be seriously worried.

I think there's a lot of people with very short memories on here and whilst there's nothing wrong with that as such if you were to play devils advocate and we appointed him after he left Stoke I think the reaction on here would of been one of near disgust. 6 months good work at Palace does change the situation but doesnt hide his time at Stoke completely, especially the last 3 years there.

I do however think we will freshen the whole thing up (although Jewell and Francis in particular looks like something Redknapp would assemble) which is badly needed right now. Some players will get a kick and others will be moved on. Certainly nobody will be resting on their laurels now and it will be an interesting (off the pitch at least, hopefully on as well!) next 2/3 transfer windows.
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.

We will be OK, Stoke was an entirely different club. They had the backing of one of the wealthiest blokes in the country, clubs knew this. That's why some of their signings didn't exactly appear great value for money, clubs knew what clout Stoke had and held out for as much as possible, making the transfer fees greatly over-inflated. That said, as a couple of other posters have mentioned, I certainly wouldn't mind seeing a couple at least of the current Stoke side at the Albion!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 06, 2015, 03:09:00 PM
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.
Yes but Huth, Adam, Whelan, Walters and Wilson were and are big players for Stoke so proof that he didn't always get it wrong.
I agree we shouldn't be courting them, just pointing out that he made some good buys in his time there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 06, 2015, 03:17:47 PM
I wouldn't worry about prices of players, Pulis may very well have final say over who we go for but JP will be in charge of the money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 06, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
I wouldn't worry about prices of players, Pulis may very well have final say over who we go for but JP will be in charge of the money
LOL!! That made me chuckle mate!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
Would I rather negotiate against JP or TP??

How much Tone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 03:58:48 PM
I wouldn't worry about prices of players, Pulis may very well have final say over who we go for but JP will be in charge of the money

Which is another problem in itself. Pulis spent massive money at Stoke for a club there size and wont get that kind of money anywhere else. Look at the Ideye money we spent, Pulis was signing 2 or 3 of them a summer.

Then at Palace the chairman (rightfully in my view without knowing the exact finances) refused to basically give him free reign stating the club had been in financial trouble for much of past decade and wouldn't overspend and Pulis walked out a day before the season starts. It's not to hard to imagine a similar situation happening again 12 months down the line
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 06, 2015, 04:10:09 PM
TBH, if TP walks in 12 months having swept the place clean, I wouldn't be too concerned,

Unless he's got us vying for europe and won the cup of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 06, 2015, 04:25:47 PM
There's 4 or 5 scenarios that could play out and only 1 that would be favourable for me

1. He stays for 2.5/3.5 years playing the kind of style he did at Palace, we end with a near complete different side from the one we have now and the club is back to being steady and organised for an experienced head coach to come in and improve the playing style further working from a solid base.

2. He stays this season, possibly next whilst keeping us up and then leaves due to a clash with Peace over finances.

3. We get relegated this season, he either leaves in the summer of rebuilds in the Championship

4. He stays for 5+ years playing the kind of football he did at Stoke.

I can't see anyone else coming in for him who would be more attractive like an Everton or Spurs unless he takes us to the top 6/7 perhaps which seems unlikely. Option 1 would be ideal and exactly what we need. Option 2 just buys us another 6/18 months before we are in the exact same position again. At some point this cycle has to end and if it's not with Pulis then I don't know who it will be. Option 3 would be awful if we were back in the Champ playing Stoke style football as would option 4.

We need this appointment to work for at least 2.5 years or no half decent manager is going to want anything to do with us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 04:35:31 PM
we all know at some stage TP & JP will fall out. TP will keep us up and get the hump probably this time next year when he gets no money. This current transfer window is a one off most likely
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 06, 2015, 04:50:58 PM
we all know at some stage TP & JP will fall out. TP will keep us up and get the hump probably this time next year when he gets no money. This current transfer window is a one off most likely

There's nothing like being brought back down to earth!......... I think we all fear you are probably right. I sincerely hope though that we will still be marvelling in 3 or 4 years time at this most unlikely match made in heaven!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 06, 2015, 06:15:36 PM
This is what worries me, especially as it seems he's going to have a lot more control than other head coaches have had.

He can hardly do much worse in the transfer market than we've done as a club over the past 2 years!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 06, 2015, 06:39:56 PM
Astle1968 has hit the nail on the head for me with both of his posts.

I think on the pitch a Pulis character was a must due to the rot which has seemingly set into the football club but I do think that off the pitch this is going to be a testing time for everyone. Pulis has spoken about needing a relationship with the chairman and it will be interesting to see how that plays out given Peace's back-burner approach with Garlick and Burton heading football operations. As highlighted previously, a Pulis and Peace blowout over finances is also something I envisage happening purely because I don't see much middle ground between the two givens ones limited spending capacity and the others willingness to spend heavily.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ComebackStrodds on January 06, 2015, 06:47:50 PM
we all know at some stage TP & JP will fall out. TP will keep us up and get the hump probably this time next year when he gets no money. This current transfer window is a one off most likely

JP knows what he's letting himself in for, so any fallout they do have wont be a surprise to him. Let's wait and see as yes Pulis is a typical bullish old school manager but remember he did last almost 12 years with the clay heads. stranger things have happended. I'm trying to remain positive
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 06, 2015, 07:40:36 PM
JP knows what he's letting himself in for, so any fallout they do have wont be a surprise to him. Let's wait and see as yes Pulis is a typical bullish old school manager but remember he did last almost 12 years with the clay heads. stranger things have happended. I'm trying to remain positive
We will see but Peace has tried quite a few options and only RH made us all relax a bit!! SC carried on but at the end of the day a club still building needs a safe pair on the wheel.
Need someone who can get it sorted on the budget as SGM did on the way up to keep us here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 06, 2015, 07:49:03 PM
More importantly, when's his newly designed cap making an appearance ?   :o

Sure to be a best seller if he does well....... CAPS for Pulis End of Season theme  ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 07:56:31 PM
More importantly, when's his newly designed cap making an appearance ?   :o

Sure to be a best seller if he does well....... CAPS for Pulis End of Season theme  ?



most definitely if he keeps us up. specs, caps and beach wear


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 06, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
I think we should all enjoy the revival and remember the rubbish we have played for quite a while now, how can it possible be any worse than that.
I am not saying that i wouldn't like tio play like arsenal every week and sign 20 mollion players every transfer window, but the reality is we won't.
We have probably the most sort after manager for clubs like ourselves at this moment and have wasted 22 million on 3 players who can hardly get in the side.
I think we know that every manager wants more money than they are given and as long as nobody tells him who to buy and sell he will be happy .
Don't mind a more direct style as long as its exciting and we don't fall asleep as i have done many times over the past few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 06, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
I think we should all enjoy the revival and remember the rubbish we have played for quite a while now, how can it possible be any worse than that.
I am not saying that i wouldn't like tio play like arsenal every week and sign 20 mollion players every transfer window, but the reality is we won't.
We have probably the most sort after manager for clubs like ourselves at this moment and have wasted 22 million on 3 players who can hardly get in the side.
I think we know that every manager wants more money than they are given and as long as nobody tells him who to buy and sell he will be happy .
Don't mind a more direct style as long as its exciting and we don't fall asleep as i have done many times over the past few years.


plenty of goalmouth action, cant remember the last time we were dominant and forcefull in the oppositions penalty area, decent corners and free kicks even a long throw or two
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 06, 2015, 10:31:05 PM
I know everything including corners and free kicks was meant to be rubbish under Irvine but currently ourselves, Chelsea, West Ham and Palace top the most goals from dead ball situations with 11.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 06, 2015, 11:32:53 PM
I see in the Birmingham Mail that Terry Burton has come out with the gem: "Tony Pulis can be the new Roy Hodgson".

Patethic. When will the club stop living in the past and stop worshipping at Roy Hodgson's feet? Hopefully with TP we now have a grown up in charge that is capable of making his own decisions and not apply some weird Roy Hodgson filter to everything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 06, 2015, 11:39:58 PM
I see in the Birmingham Mail that Terry Burton has come out with the gem: "Tony Pulis can be the new Roy Hodgson".

Patethic. When will the club stop living in the past and stop worshipping at Roy Hodgson's feet? Hopefully with TP we now have a grown up in charge that is capable of making his own decisions and not apply some weird Roy Hodgson filter to everything.
Agree with this. Terry Burton is clearly a moron too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 06, 2015, 11:42:43 PM
I am an old pessimist.
Following the Baggies has made me this way.
Is Pulis the new Messiah?
I hope so.
Nothing is easy when you follow a Jekyll and Hyde team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 07, 2015, 12:31:07 AM
I know everything including corners and free kicks was meant to be rubbish under Irvine but currently ourselves, Chelsea, West Ham and Palace top the most goals from dead ball situations with 11.

Sadly that also means we can have scored very few from open play!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 07, 2015, 12:55:36 AM
Personally, I think bringing in Paul Jewell isn't a bad idea. Pulis tends to have someone like him on the staff, for example at Stoke he had Peter Reid for a couple of seasons. Jewell probably won't do too much coaching, Pulis is supposed to be quite involved in training, as will Kemp and Gerry Francis.

But it does offer a different set of eyes, which is no bad thing in my opinion. Kemp has been with Pulis for a while, they probably look at the game in the same way where as the likes of Reid, Jewell and Francis may well look at different things going on, or have alternative ideas to someone who will have learnt a lot of what they know from Pulis.

GrGr isn't going to like this, but Roy did exactly the same. He had Ray Lewington at Fulham, a former manager, and Terry Burton when he was with us. Always good to get a different angle on things, and I personally think it's good that Pulis isn't too proud/arrogant not to listen to other people's take on a game situation or something in training.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 07, 2015, 01:27:55 AM

GrGr isn't going to like this, but Roy did exactly the same. He had Ray Lewington at Fulham, a former manager, and Terry Burton when he was with us. Always good to get a different angle on things, and I personally think it's good that Pulis isn't too proud/arrogant not to listen to other people's take on a game situation or something in training.

Hm, I have no problem with Pulis bringing in his own men that he trusts and who he knows speak the same football language as he does, something Pepe Mel clearly never got a real chance to do for example. I'm just not sure how brilliant Jewell is, he seems more like a 'nutcracker' to me, which might not be a bad thing if the dressing room needs sorting out. Then again that is probably only my prejudice atm. :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 07, 2015, 06:21:58 AM
I see in the Birmingham Mail that Terry Burton has come out with the gem: "Tony Pulis can be the new Roy Hodgson".

Patethic. When will the club stop living in the past and stop worshipping at Roy Hodgson's feet? Hopefully with TP we now have a grown up in charge that is capable of making his own decisions and not apply some weird Roy Hodgson filter to everything.

That said when he left the team was in far better shape than when he came in.
Would have been interesting to see where we would have been now had we still had Hodgson in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 07, 2015, 07:27:32 AM
That said when he left the team was in far better shape than when he came in.
Would have been interesting to see where we would have been now had we still had Hodgson in charge.

Or even where we'd be if he never actually took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Avonbaggie on January 07, 2015, 10:27:28 AM
On one positive based on Albion's recent history we were more likely to appoint someone like Jewell as the Head Coach rather than as their assistant  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 07, 2015, 10:36:59 AM
On one positive based on Albion's recent history we were more likely to appoint someone like Jewell as the Head Coach rather than as their assistant  ;D

For years we struggled to find a Manager for Head Coach and now we have Managers as Coaches!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 07, 2015, 12:10:18 PM
I s'pose having Jewell on board could give us some continuity (potentially)

Beyond that i struggle to see the value, he has euro coaching badge via Diploma route though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CoachRagnar on January 07, 2015, 03:05:42 PM
This should be a fun ride. I am working on my Pulis cap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 08, 2015, 11:50:42 AM
This has Chris Lepkoswki written all over it.  ;D

Breakfast with Mr Pulis


THE Good Book – that’s the Bible, not Albion News, though I understand your confusion – tells us that all men are created equal. Life then goes on to teach us that some are more equal than others, in a multitude of different ways.

That is undeniably true of Albion’s new Head Coach, Tony Pulis. He’s one of those people that has a presence about him, a certain charisma that makes people listen when he talks and stay on their toes when they know that he’s around.

Over the last week or so, since his arrival at the club, a charge of electricity has gone through the training ground, the like of which we haven’t felt since Roy Hodgson’s time here – and that means no disrespect to those who followed in the England manager’s footsteps, good, hardworking, diligent men all of them.

But Pulis is different. He comes complete with a reputation that precedes him, both in terms of achievements and manner. The air around the building crackles with an interesting mixture of psychological chemicals at present. You can sense a genuine desire to please him, generated by the easy charm he has about him, but you can also feel real respect, mixed, let’s not be coy about it, with a little bit of fear of upsetting a man who suffers fools not all and is not in the business of wasting much time in taking prisoners either.

He is one of those force of nature characters that you occasionally come across, blessed with a seemingly inexhaustible core of energy. This interview was conducted before eight in the morning as he knocked seven bells out of a rowing machine in the training ground gym – your intrepid correspondent did not join him – prior to another full-on day devoted to transforming the fortunes of the Throstles in double quick time.


*A full interview with Tony Pulis can be read in Saturday's Albion News. You know it makes sense...

http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-news-tony-pulis-interview-baggies-west-brom-2189345.aspx (http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/albion-news-tony-pulis-interview-baggies-west-brom-2189345.aspx)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 08, 2015, 12:27:42 PM
Lepo building bridges then !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 08, 2015, 03:27:23 PM
I know everything including corners and free kicks was meant to be rubbish under Irvine but currently ourselves, Chelsea, West Ham and Palace top the most goals from dead ball situations with 11.

When attacking from a dead ball, Irvine was actually very good and a lot of his goals came from these situations. However, that was really his main positive without sounding too harsh. I think the issue with Irvine is that his defending of dead ball situations was pretty poor at times and steadily got much worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 08, 2015, 11:47:35 PM
When attacking from a dead ball, Irvine was actually very good and a lot of his goals came from these situations. However, that was really his main positive without sounding too harsh. I think the issue with Irvine is that his defending of dead ball situations was pretty poor at times and steadily got much worse.

We're you at QPR? I thought they'd score from every corner they had! Atrocious!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 09, 2015, 08:32:04 AM
I think that was the point WBArgo was trying to make.

We're you at QPR? I thought they'd score from every corner they had! Atrocious!

When attacking from a dead ball, Irvine was actually very good and a lot of his goals came from these situations. However, that was really his main positive without sounding too harsh. I think the issue with Irvine is that his defending of dead ball situations was pretty poor at times and steadily got much worse.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 09, 2015, 02:21:50 PM
TBH he is here now. We have gotten what we wished for. I think its absolutely bloody  brilliant , a big name, a character, and above all, call him what you bloody want, he's a MANAGER.

Its all or nothing now..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on January 10, 2015, 08:33:57 AM
I think that was the point WBArgo was trying to make.

He didn't mention QPR and it was a perfect example of what he was saying hence I raised it. So I was backing up his point with further evidence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 10, 2015, 08:51:21 AM
TBH he is here now. We have gotten what we wished for. I think its absolutely bloody  brilliant , a big name, a character, and above all, call him what you bloody want, he's a MANAGER.

Its all or nothing now..........
I can't help being realistic as well... I agree with above, yes, it is all or nothing for the next 13 games, we need six wins... but we also have a manager who can get us straight back up if we do go down.  I for one am glad that Pulis has poured scorn on his record of never having been relegated, its about this season NOW, not his past record, the last thing we need is a different sort of complacency.  But if we do go down, who better to get us back up?  That's what the 2.5 year contract partly suggests, anyhow.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
For those at home, Football Focus is on and talking to Tony Pulis throughout the program. If you have BBC iPlayer, start watching Football Focus and scroll back on the time-line to 12:10pm when the program starts you should see it all.

There is also a poll on BBC web site "Live Sport" asking if TP will keep WBA up.Poll closes at 12:40
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:33:18 PM
Really good interview with BBC Football Focus from the enthusiastic, inspirational leader that is Tony Pulis.

If you get the chance to view it, do so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 12:51:55 PM
Football Focus ran a poll earlier:-

Will Tony Pulis Keep West Brom Up?

Result of Poll

Yes 88.8

No 12.2

I'm sure there would have been a similar result to a poll here as well
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 10, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
If anyone has somehow recorded it or know where it is recorded and can post a link, that'll be ace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 01:13:51 PM
This is a link to the BBC iPlayer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbcone

As you can see its says live, you should be able to rewind to about 12:08pm on the time-line and watch.

Other than that BBC iPlayer catch up on Football Focus

Hope this works for you
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 10, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
Football Focus ran a poll earlier:-

Will Tony Pulis Keep West Brom Up?

Result of Poll

Yes 88.8

No 12.2

I'm sure there would have been a similar result to a poll here as well

I make that 101%!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 10, 2015, 05:04:35 PM
I make that 101%!
dead certs to stay up then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 10, 2015, 05:47:03 PM
I make that 101%!

Bloody BBC, wasn't me honest Gov!  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albiondean on January 10, 2015, 07:10:04 PM
If anyone has somehow recorded it or know where it is recorded and can post a link, that'll be ace.

Here you go.

Result of Poll is at the end of the video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2efz52_tp_sport
https://www.mixturecloud.com/media/XiRLgUN3
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
Would have been interesting to see a poll of would West Brom have been relegated without Tony Pulis?

Outside of our own support not many people had us pegged for relegation.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 10, 2015, 09:29:26 PM
Would have been interesting to see a poll of would West Brom have been relegated without Tony Pulis?

Outside of our own support not many people had us pegged for relegation.

How do you quantify this statement... For someone who has admitted they are on here to question blatant falsehoods... hmmm.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 09:38:05 PM
How do you quantify this statement... For someone who has admitted they are on here to question blatant falsehoods... hmmm.
What were the odds at the bookies? Where were we favourites to go down? Pessimism was mainly within our own support and spread by certain individuals  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 10, 2015, 09:52:26 PM
Outside of our own support not many people had us pegged for relegation.
You reckon - after we finished 17th last season and then appointed someone in the summer who...... <insert frequently discussed previous track record here>?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 10, 2015, 09:54:09 PM
“The reason they have gone into the Championship is because they’ve got complacent, people around the place got complacent - without a question of a doubt and everybody took their foot off the pedal and almost accepted they were going to remain in the top flight, if you look at them. As soon as you do that you’ll get relegated.

“And Complacency is the worst word in the dictionary. This club and everybody around the club has got to understand that this is a real dogfight till the end of the season. For us to stay out of it, everybody has got to pull together. That’s not just myself, the Chairman, the staff and the players. The supporters play an enormous part. As I said, they were brilliant today.  They were very, very patient and kept behind the players and we will need that from now until the end of the season."

Thank you Tony!  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 10, 2015, 10:01:29 PM
You reckon - after we finished 17th last season and then appointed someone in the summer who...... <insert frequently discussed previous track record here>?
I refer to my earlier post. Which bookmaker had us as favourites for relegation or even one of the three favourites to go down?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albiondean on January 10, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
Football Focus ran a poll earlier:-

Will Tony Pulis Keep West Brom Up?

Result of Poll

Yes 88.8

No 12.2

I'm sure there would have been a similar result to a poll here as well


You need to go to specsavers mate  :)

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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 10, 2015, 11:34:45 PM
What were the odds at the bookies? Where were we favourites to go down? Pessimism was mainly within our own support and spread by certain individuals  ;)
Bookies aren't always right but Irvine was a clear favourite with most bookies to get the sack, gladly on this occasion they was right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 11, 2015, 07:51:10 AM
I refer to my earlier post. Which bookmaker had us as favourites for relegation or even one of the three favourites to go down?
I have no idea - I've got no interest whatsoever in bookmakers. I can't name names, but I recall that some pundits predicted we would go down.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 11, 2015, 08:34:34 AM
I've no idea what bookmakers offered about anything but i'll tell you something now - WE WILL NOT GO DOWN UNDER PULIS. Whatever the odds lump on whatever you like, it's as good as a guarantee.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 11, 2015, 12:14:34 PM

He didn't mention QPR and it was a perfect example of what he was saying hence I raised it. So I was backing up his point with further evidence.

Oh ok, I misinterpreted your post  8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 13, 2015, 03:27:53 PM
Still got major reservations about this guy in the transfer market.

Interesting to see us linked with so many names straight away. Some of then could well be genuine or just as easily press putting 2+2 together like Crouch, Walters, Huth etc, but Vardy seems so left field I'm fairly sure there's at least interest there.

When he was at Stoke they were always amongst the busiest clubs on deadline day. They also used to quite frequently be close to signing a player only to back away from the deal late on and pursue another target. I remember reading an article after they almost had Huddlestone signed in 2012, he was at the training ground, had his medical and agreed terms but Pulis got wind that someone else might be available instead and scrapped the deal at the last minute. The article basically stated this was always how he worked and why Stoke frequently did so much last minute business, and rather than identifying player A who he wanted he frequently changed his made day by day with plenty of deals seemingly done only to never be finalised as he moved targets as someone else became available.

In the end it stated they often ended up with players who were 3rd or 4th choice and not as good or as wanted as the original target but were all that was left on deadline day. Now it's early days and pure speculation but from the amount of players we have been linked with it kind of fits the description here. There's a new name every day and whilst I'm sure some are agent/press led there's enough there to suggest there's more than few that are genuine targets. 12 days isn't a huge amount of time and you never know what's actually going on behind the scenes but I expected us to be closer to a couple of targets now with how quickly Pulis wanted to move and the apparent backing from the board to do so. It does sort of support the theory he isn't the most decisive in the market when it comes to signing players, and could potentially explain his (in my opinion at least) really poor record at Stoke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 16, 2015, 12:28:40 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 16, 2015, 12:46:02 PM
...there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.

That's the nature of football isn't it? Being fickle goes with the territory.

I know there are some amongst us who stick to their guns but most fans just want to see the team win, be vaguely entertained and not get relegated don't they?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 16, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.
I think we all share these worries if we are honest, but the fact  of the matter is that we are not a mid table club anymore we are only going one way and therefore drastic measures are called for.
Wolves failed to act when they were in a similar position and paid the price. Villa are now perpetual strugglers, but the powers that be don't seem to realise it.
Pulis is a square peg in a square hole and will keep us up. Will we live to regret it? Who knows, but the truth is he was the best option and the correct decision at the time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 16, 2015, 01:10:35 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.


We all seem to be focusing on his time at Stoke. I have seen Stoke on numerous occasions when he has not been the manager, and they were ugly then as well. Why not talk about the great job he did for Palace last year, and the fact that he got them playing some pretty decent football. They outplayed a few teams last year, including us.........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 16, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
I don't think anyone can criticise the club for appointing Pulis. Although the list of potential candidates seems to get more uninspiring every time there's not much doubt that for the position we are in now Pulis was the safest bet to keep us in the league.

I do still have big reservations about this move though. Firstly if we do stay up it wont be by some miracle achieved by Pulis, as I've said elsewhere this team has been badly under performing for 2 years now and has still spent about 10 days in the bottom 3 during that time. Even Irvine at his worst was still enough to keep us out the bottom 3 and although people may say 'we were only going one way with him' im sure fans of Leicester, Hull, QPR, Villa and Sunderland will all say the same about their clubs plus Burnley would be in the mix as well although perhaps more content with that. So if Pulis keeps us up it certainly isn't a Houdini and there's not a chance it his 'toughest job in football' to date.

If we had appointed him after he left Stoke I'm pretty sure there would of been near mutiny on here, probably not far off the levels when Irvine was appointed. His time at Palace does skew things but it's still only 7 months of a 20 year management career. Robson kept us up from a similar position (not as comfortably) and whilst I don't think Robson is 10% the manager Pulis is you do get anomaly's like that from time to time. 

At Stoke Pulis had a huge amount of money, Coates let him get on with the football side of things so there's no argument the side he built was his side with his image playing the brand of football he wanted. To spend over £100m over 5 years and end up with the side/style he left behind was near disgraceful in my view. People may well say surviving is all that matters but try saying that in 3 years when when we finish 14th again after playing for free kicks and throw ins all season, there's only so long surviving will pass as acceptable after all we have don that for the last 2 years and were still seemingly unhappy with it all.

At Palace his hand was forced more in that he had less time/money to play with, so playing devils advocate I would argue we are far more likely to see the style he implemented at Stoke than the one at Palace which although hardly all out attack was at least acceptable and certainly compared to the dross he served up at the Britannia.

My main concern is still his ego/expectations. Coates bankrolled them and he seemed shocked when he didn't get the same treatment at Palace. There's very few clubs where he will get the same resources he did at Stoke and we are certainly not one of them. We've seen with Palace what happens when he doesn't get his way and there's no way JP is going to continue handing him money window after window, especially if his record with big money signings is anything like his one at Stoke.

Lastly, I like our model. I know some fans dont but it's worked for us for the best part of a decade. Until lst season we had acheived 5 years continuous progress year on year with league positions and had only been moving in 1 direction for the best part of a decade. I cant think of any other club other than Swansea who can say the same and they have a similar model to ours. Nobody can argue that the last 18 months have been rough and things haven't worked, but I also don't think we should rip everything up and give Pulis total control to do what he wants. Especially as I wouldn't be shocked if he left us before the start of next season.

Again, this isn't a moan, and I'm not criticising anyone certainly not the club who I think got the safest bet they could in the circumstances. I just still have major reservations about the whole thing and worry about what the implications if Pulis is still here in 3/4 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Rheneas on January 16, 2015, 01:20:02 PM
I think you make some fair points Astle 68, but Pulis by his own admission sounded people out about this job before he took it. If he really was a 'blank cheque' type of manager through and through he simply wouldn't be here.

Personally I'm not fearful of him being here in 3/4 years time. In fact I'm very hopeful, because it'd mean that things were going well, and to think that Albion could have the same boss for getting on for five years down the track would surely qualify as a victory in itself.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 16, 2015, 01:21:16 PM

We all seem to be focusing on his time at Stoke. I have seen Stoke on numerous occasions when he has not been the manager, and they were ugly then as well. Why not talk about the great job he did for Palace last year, and the fact that he got them playing some pretty decent football. They outplayed a few teams last year, including us.........

I guess a similar analogy would be Connor Wickham. Do you judge him as a player who scored 5 goals in 3 games at the end of last season or the player who scored 3 goals in his other 54 games for Sunderland. To me he is a CF with 8 goals in 57 games and if you sign him whilst you could well get the player who scored the goals against City and Chelsea it's far more likely your going to end up with the striker who can't score goals.

Like Wickham, Pulis has shown he does have another side to him, but it doesn't mean it will be the side we see and it would be naive to assume we will get the football he played at Palace for 6 months rather than the football he played at Stoke for 6 years
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 16, 2015, 01:32:52 PM
Agreed, we will just have to wait and see TP's tactics and style. We all hope for the Palace model, but I suspect if we see another Stoke set up then the terraces will not hold back.......and rightly so.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 16, 2015, 01:35:25 PM
I don't think anyone can criticise the club for appointing Pulis. Although the list of potential candidates seems to get more uninspiring every time there's not much doubt that for the position we are in now Pulis was the safest bet to keep us in the league.

I do still have big reservations about this move though. Firstly if we do stay up it wont be by some miracle achieved by Pulis, as I've said elsewhere this team has been badly under performing for 2 years now and has still spent about 10 days in the bottom 3 during that time. Even Irvine at his worst was still enough to keep us out the bottom 3 and although people may say 'we were only going one way with him' im sure fans of Leicester, Hull, QPR, Villa and Sunderland will all say the same about their clubs plus Burnley would be in the mix as well although perhaps more content with that. So if Pulis keeps us up it certainly isn't a Houdini and there's not a chance it his 'toughest job in football' to date.

If we had appointed him after he left Stoke I'm pretty sure there would of been near mutiny on here, probably not far off the levels when Irvine was appointed. His time at Palace does skew things but it's still only 7 months of a 20 year management career. Robson kept us up from a similar position (not as comfortably) and whilst I don't think Robson is 10% the manager Pulis is you do get anomaly's like that from time to time. 

At Stoke Pulis had a huge amount of money, Coates let him get on with the football side of things so there's no argument the side he built was his side with his image playing the brand of football he wanted. To spend over £100m over 5 years and end up with the side/style he left behind was near disgraceful in my view. People may well say surviving is all that matters but try saying that in 3 years when when we finish 14th again after playing for free kicks and throw ins all season, there's only so long surviving will pass as acceptable after all we have don that for the last 2 years and were still seemingly unhappy with it all.

At Palace his hand was forced more in that he had less time/money to play with, so playing devils advocate I would argue we are far more likely to see the style he implemented at Stoke than the one at Palace which although hardly all out attack was at least acceptable and certainly compared to the dross he served up at the Britannia.

My main concern is still his ego/expectations. Coates bankrolled them and he seemed shocked when he didn't get the same treatment at Palace. There's very few clubs where he will get the same resources he did at Stoke and we are certainly not one of them. We've seen with Palace what happens when he doesn't get his way and there's no way JP is going to continue handing him money window after window, especially if his record with big money signings is anything like his one at Stoke.

Lastly, I like our model. I know some fans dont but it's worked for us for the best part of a decade. Until lst season we had acheived 5 years continuous progress year on year with league positions and had only been moving in 1 direction for the best part of a decade. I cant think of any other club other than Swansea who can say the same and they have a similar model to ours. Nobody can argue that the last 18 months have been rough and things haven't worked, but I also don't think we should rip everything up and give Pulis total control to do what he wants. Especially as I wouldn't be shocked if he left us before the start of next season.

Again, this isn't a moan, and I'm not criticising anyone certainly not the club who I think got the safest bet they could in the circumstances. I just still have major reservations about the whole thing and worry about what the implications if Pulis is still here in 3/4 years.

All or most of these things have occurred to me and I'm sure to others, but it is a very well put together post - scepticism should be seen as a positive thing; it will be a very interesting five months, that's about all we can be sure of.  We've had the "bounce" of the new manager effect against Hull, but Stoke were generally pretty ineffective away from home (except against us, of course), so Monday will be interesting, the setup, the style, the confidence or lack of it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 16, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
I thought Irvine had us on the right track in terms of style of play, hopefully Pulis can build on that and make us win football matches. We played some good passing football under Irvine at times, just didn't have the balls to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on January 16, 2015, 01:42:15 PM
Good post that is Astle68.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on January 16, 2015, 01:57:24 PM
Fantastic post Astle68, articulated my thoughts on Pulis in a much better way than I ever could.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 16, 2015, 05:34:30 PM
i was disappointed we didn't get martin jol, i thought he would have been perfect for us with players we have
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on January 16, 2015, 06:25:19 PM
My thoughts exactly Astle68. As usual, we'll have to wait and see. One season at a time seems to be the norm for us. However, saying that, most clubs' fans probably feel the same way. Long term managerial appointments seem a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 16, 2015, 07:18:19 PM
I don't think anyone can criticise the club for appointing Pulis. Although the list of potential candidates seems to get more uninspiring every time there's not much doubt that for the position we are in now Pulis was the safest bet to keep us in the league.

I do still have big reservations about this move though. Firstly if we do stay up it wont be by some miracle achieved by Pulis, as I've said elsewhere this team has been badly under performing for 2 years now and has still spent about 10 days in the bottom 3 during that time. Even Irvine at his worst was still enough to keep us out the bottom 3 and although people may say 'we were only going one way with him' im sure fans of Leicester, Hull, QPR, Villa and Sunderland will all say the same about their clubs plus Burnley would be in the mix as well although perhaps more content with that. So if Pulis keeps us up it certainly isn't a Houdini and there's not a chance it his 'toughest job in football' to date.

If we had appointed him after he left Stoke I'm pretty sure there would of been near mutiny on here, probably not far off the levels when Irvine was appointed. His time at Palace does skew things but it's still only 7 months of a 20 year management career. Robson kept us up from a similar position (not as comfortably) and whilst I don't think Robson is 10% the manager Pulis is you do get anomaly's like that from time to time. 

At Stoke Pulis had a huge amount of money, Coates let him get on with the football side of things so there's no argument the side he built was his side with his image playing the brand of football he wanted. To spend over £100m over 5 years and end up with the side/style he left behind was near disgraceful in my view. People may well say surviving is all that matters but try saying that in 3 years when when we finish 14th again after playing for free kicks and throw ins all season, there's only so long surviving will pass as acceptable after all we have don that for the last 2 years and were still seemingly unhappy with it all.

At Palace his hand was forced more in that he had less time/money to play with, so playing devils advocate I would argue we are far more likely to see the style he implemented at Stoke than the one at Palace which although hardly all out attack was at least acceptable and certainly compared to the dross he served up at the Britannia.

My main concern is still his ego/expectations. Coates bankrolled them and he seemed shocked when he didn't get the same treatment at Palace. There's very few clubs where he will get the same resources he did at Stoke and we are certainly not one of them. We've seen with Palace what happens when he doesn't get his way and there's no way JP is going to continue handing him money window after window, especially if his record with big money signings is anything like his one at Stoke.

Lastly, I like our model. I know some fans dont but it's worked for us for the best part of a decade. Until lst season we had acheived 5 years continuous progress year on year with league positions and had only been moving in 1 direction for the best part of a decade. I cant think of any other club other than Swansea who can say the same and they have a similar model to ours. Nobody can argue that the last 18 months have been rough and things haven't worked, but I also don't think we should rip everything up and give Pulis total control to do what he wants. Especially as I wouldn't be shocked if he left us before the start of next season.

Again, this isn't a moan, and I'm not criticising anyone certainly not the club who I think got the safest bet they could in the circumstances. I just still have major reservations about the whole thing and worry about what the implications if Pulis is still here in 3/4 years.

Agree with every word. Pulls seems to be some sort of hero who can do no wrong. His first full game was dire football. Lets hope things improve and that we don't head in the direction that 95% of his career history would indicate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 16, 2015, 07:19:13 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.

I wouldn't worry too much. I can't see him sticking around once he gets used to JP and our dithering in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 16, 2015, 07:20:22 PM
I thought Irvine had us on the right track in terms of style of play, hopefully Pulis can build on that and make us win football matches. We played some good passing football under Irvine at times, just didn't have the balls to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

What style was that. The turgid, negative dross style?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 16, 2015, 07:33:33 PM
What style was that. The turgid, negative dross style?

We played some cracking stuff against QPR, some nice play between Varela, Sessegnon and Ideye. Also going to Spurs and playing them off the park. Irvine had to work with a squad that wasn't good enough which is why Pulis is getting this window to bring players in and ship players out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 16, 2015, 07:33:45 PM
My big concerns with Pulis are
a) potential for a major fall out with JP in very short term

b) his "developing teams based upon their strengths" -  I have no idea what our squads strengths are, in fact i haven't seen 25%+ of our squad perform enough to form an opinion.

c) the potential for him wasting the biggest war chest we have ever accumulated in the clubs history.

Having said all of that,
we needed a clear out, we've certainly had that
We need to get some solidity in defence, which remains to be seen
We needed someone who can manage a match situation positively, I believe TP can do this

An interesting 5 months coming up, lets hope we can enjoy the ride (again!!!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 16, 2015, 08:39:35 PM
Personally I don't have any concerns or misgivings about Pulis, and talking generally, as opposed to directing this at any particular post on the thread, do sometimes feel that some Albion supporters overplay the need for "attractive" football as opposed to the more realistic requirement, for clubs in our position, of effective football.

In common with every other Albion supporter on the planet, the Stoke situation, and our ongoing difficulties (with a few exceptions) of getting decent results against them for over 20 years, has been an ongoing source of irritation and exasperation.

But there have been occasions when I've watched Stoke under Pulis, and listened to all those around me moaning about their tactics and deriding their methods, as I viewed at various times, a number of Albion teams being outworked, out thought, at times being physically intimidated and on a number of occasions being outplayed.

I'd watch this small figure on the touchline, in his tracksuit and baseball cap, bawling out his instructions, getting his tactics against us spot on (yet again) and found it difficult to build up anything other than grudging respect.

Certainly I'd say, from my own point of view, the high moral ground that a few of our fans were taking after we'd been turned over yet again, was just as irritating as the few times when Stoke's gamesmanship maybe overstepped the mark.

Fully respect any counter viewpoints and concerns, but have to say I don't personally share them.

At no time did I ever call for Irvine to be given the boot, but once the Albion hierarchy had made that decision, it was a great relief that they made such a wise appointment within a few days. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 16, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
I can’t believe how negative people are being regarding Pulis. He’s only been here for 2 minutes. He is having to change a club that has made massive mistakes over the last few years. As he said in the Telegraph “This football club, they have to understand and recognise that to stay up, it's a massive dogfight and there are lots of clubs involved in it. We've got to start taking down the dust and getting out and getting things sorted.” Its that last sentence that suggests how poorly we have been run of late. Apart from Lescott, Lukaku was the last quality signing we have made. On 5 live 2 weeks ago Phil Neville said he spent time with Pulis during the World Cup and found him to be one of the most knowledgeable people he had ever spoken with about football, more so than any other manager he had worked with.
Yes I never liked the way Stoke played under him but I often secretly envied Stoke when they always beat us. I honestly feel that we won’t end up with a team playing in that style. Unfortunately however  in the real world the Albion haven’t the money to have too many aesthetic morals when it comes to the style of football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on January 16, 2015, 09:53:52 PM
I can’t believe how negative people are being regarding Pulis. He’s only been here for 2 minutes. He is having to change a club that has made massive mistakes over the last few years. As he said in the Telegraph “This football club, they have to understand and recognise that to stay up, it's a massive dogfight and there are lots of clubs involved in it. We've got to start taking down the dust and getting out and getting things sorted.” Its that last sentence that suggests how poorly we have been run of late. Apart from Lescott, Lukaku was the last quality signing we have made. On 5 live 2 weeks ago Phil Neville said he spent time with Pulis during the World Cup and found him to be one of the most knowledgeable people he had ever spoken with about football, more so than any other manager he had worked with.
Yes I never liked the way Stoke played under him but I often secretly envied Stoke when they always beat us. I honestly feel that we won’t end up with a team playing in that style. Unfortunately however  in the real world the Albion haven’t the money to have too many aesthetic morals when it comes to the style of football.
An excellent post. It seems one minute TP is the messiah then next minute  the devil.
Is this another person bashing as with Berahino. TP will never be everyone's cup of tea, who is, but in him I believe we have a person who can keep us in the Premier League. That is the main objective , style , flair , exciting football , that can wait survival is our main aim. End of!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 16, 2015, 10:29:47 PM
An excellent post. It seems one minute TP is the messiah then next minute  the devil.
Is this another person bashing as with Berahino. TP will never be everyone's cup of tea, who is, but in him I believe we have a person who can keep us in the Premier League. That is the main objective , style , flair , exciting football , that can wait survival is our main aim. End of!
Totally agree, its the here and now what counts forget pulis at stoke  and palace its history. whats the point looking at 3 yrs time when we don't know what league we will be in or even who the manager is. pulis is the best and most qualified manager we could have got in the position we find the club in. lets just trust him to lead us forward and worry about the future after our present situation gets sorted.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 16, 2015, 10:54:17 PM
every manager (except Irvine) deserves a chance.  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: sconesy on January 16, 2015, 11:13:23 PM
Tony Pulis from his CV was the best option out there to keep us up.
But what worries me long term if he stays around is what we become and if it's anything like Stoke mid table playing hoofball then I'afraid Peace has got into bed with the devil.
I'm no hypocrite and I was one of Pulis's biggest detracters for the way he played at Stoke regularly posting on the oatcake but there seems to me to be a lot of people who are forgetting what they once posted.

"Into bed with the Devil" = extremist! Stokes' style wasn't always pretty....granted - however, at Palace (on many occasions) his team orchestrated some very impresive counter-attacking football, often culminating in extremely efficient finishing. He ain't perfect, and more to the point....he ain't kept us up yet. What do people really want - we do have a level (for now!)...mid table max! It's been a complete shambles for 3 years at the club.....for God's sake give a man with some 'balls' a little more credit......or would the 'Devil' not approve?!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on January 17, 2015, 12:23:43 AM
Everyone is entitled to an opinion;right or wrong; who am I to say?
What I will say is we have 4 points since he walked through the door and the players are actually working for 90 minutes. Its been years since we had a manager, coach or dishwasher that can make the team work and give the fans a glimmer of hope. He's been here five minutes so lets give him a chance, stop dissecting his past and judge him in the present. I only care that we stay up for now, if we achieve that then we can start talking about expectations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: asa62 on January 17, 2015, 02:58:19 AM
Some great points being made here , I think Pulis is himself is evolving as a coach , even at 56 . The bit I saw of Palace last season (when we played them ) they played with wingers . He is very experienced and appears fit and energetic with a lot of determination to succeed , speaking as someone in their 50's  I think this isn't a bad thing , if I'm honest I didn't enjoy the Hull match , but loved the result , I'm wondering if Tony Pulis , given time might surprise us with some decent football .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BigFrank20 on January 17, 2015, 08:03:58 AM
I suspect he is partly also using us to repair his reputation inside football following the way he left Palace and I have no problem with that, and I am also quite happy top sit back a see what happens.
He'll move on one day but the club will still be there, in whatever division, as will I health and wealth permitting.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 09:09:01 AM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 17, 2015, 09:28:47 AM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .

Well said..........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2015, 09:43:22 AM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .

If there is any negativity this is the place the express it. I have my doubts about Pulis for the long term like many others but he has a fair chance with me just like Alan Irvine and every other manager before him has had. Given the negativity from fans about Irvine there wasn't that much negativity at games, in general supporters tried their hardest to get fully behind the team in spite of Irvine so I see absolutely no issue here.

Are you saying I'm not a proper supporter if I express doubts about the new manager on here? Quite frankly I find that attitude laughable, we all support West Bromwich Albion but not all of us are so called happy clappers while we aren't all negative either. The whole idea of these forums is to give a platform for supporters to discuss issues and share their opinions on what is happening at the club no matter what their viewpoint is.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 09:55:57 AM
We live in a free society or so they say . Personally there ain't no point in moaning about him . I think he is the best bloke for the job , which is to keep us in the premiership . To talk more seriously it's a massive job and I have no illusions about the task in hand . I think he realises this has well. Good luck to the bloke .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2015, 10:02:34 AM
As I say I'm sure the vast majority of people who have any doubts about Pulis will get behind the team 100% on a match day. On paper Pulis is clearly the best qualified for the job of trying to keep us in the Premier League, I just have my doubts about him in the long term especially given how we deal with transfers and that being the reason why he walked out on Palace just days before the season started.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 10:17:15 AM
How many managers have we had and given them 12 month rolling contracts . They are backing PULIS by giving him his own team . Now the scouts are up the road . It will be very interesting to see who comes in in that field . I view all this in a positive way for the short term . Now we need to move some of the deadwood on the playing side out with a little luck .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on January 17, 2015, 10:30:56 AM
How many managers have we had and given them 12 month rolling contracts . They are backing PULIS by giving him his own team . Now the scouts are up the road . It will be very interesting to see who comes in in that field . I view all this in a positive way for the short term . Now we need to move some of the deadwood on the playing side out with a little luck .


I completely agree. You have to give Jeremy Peace enormous credit. He f*d up completely by giving Irvine the job but he wasn't stubborn, he didn't p*** the fans off for a year or two, he wasn't blindly arrogant, he gave Irvine enough time to allow him to convince, he didn't do that and Peace got rid of him. Some other chairmen would've kept irvine for ages as an act off stubborn arrogance but not Jeremy, he obviously realised he had made a big mistake and he changed it.

He, like most right minded fans, obviously sees the value in Pulis, he realises what he now has - a top quality manager / head coach and he is backing him. Most fans are the same but there is always a vocal negative minority. It would help Pulis, THE CLUB and everybody else if those people put a sock in it and preferably jumped on side.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Bigrob80 on January 17, 2015, 10:33:13 AM
I for one have only managed a couple of games this season at the hawthorns but I sung for my team while they were on the pitch, those games were under Irvine! At the next game I get to I will sing my heart out for the team! I don't see any grounds for US to be concerned, we don't know how this will go yet, let's have some positive support for our team and manager!
In a few weeks we should have a just of what's going on, I for one think it will be positive! Cummon baggies and Cummon pullis!
 :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 17, 2015, 11:34:28 AM

I completely agree. You have to give Jeremy Peace enormous credit. He f*d up completely by giving Irvine the job but he wasn't stubborn, he didn't p*** the fans off for a year or two, he wasn't blindly arrogant, he gave Irvine enough time to allow him to convince, he didn't do that and Peace got rid of him. Some other chairmen would've kept irvine for ages as an act off stubborn arrogance but not Jeremy, he obviously realised he had made a big mistake and he changed it.

He, like most right minded fans, obviously sees the value in Pulis, he realises what he now has - a top quality manager / head coach and he is backing him. Most fans are the same but there is always a vocal negative minority. It would help Pulis, THE CLUB and everybody else if those people put a sock in it and preferably jumped on side.
Not sure if you can stop people having opinions though. The results of the Pulis v Sherwood pole showed that approx. 20% didn't want Pulis. A lot of those are likely to be different people to those who slagged off Irvine, from the start no matter what he did. I wanted Sherwood due to style of football worries but I can see why the club went for Pulis and I've no intention of slagging him off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 17, 2015, 11:38:55 AM
I preface my comments with my view that I firmly believe that coaches have been elevated in importance in the modern game to a point which is almost bizarre. The notion that somehow by appointing Pulis we have at a stroke removed the threat of relegation is a case in point and in fairness to the man he spent a lot of time at his press conferences trying to debunk the myth.

Equally coaches turnover so rapidly that it is almost impossible to pass judgement on their impact. In this instance his contract is for two and half years which would give him 2 full seasons and two summers to shape the squad at the end of which time what we are looking at beyond any doubt is Tony Pulis' Albion.  Whether he gets to that point is anyone's guess. As others have pointed out his departure from Crystal Palace over transfer policy does not bode well in terms of a relationship with Peace but the two of them must have come to some understanding on this matter or Pulis would not have signed in the first place.

With regard to  Pulisball I would take issue with those who think Palace's football last year was a dramatic departure from what Pulis had done at Stoke. It certainly was different from that he deployed at Stoke in the first few years that they were in the Premier League, but Stoke were evolving under him before he left, although given his reputation he was very unlikely to be given much credit for it.

However the central tenants remain the same and start with a solid defensive shape  based on a 4-4-2. He does not rotate much and once he settles on a back four he play it week in week out. It would suggest that by the end of this month if your name is not on the team sheet there really isn't any point in you being here.  When I looked at some of his Stoke squads it was noticeable how few players he used it really did revolve around a core of about 13 players.

His sides have never scored lots of goals but they have been very effective in converting goals into results. The Hull game was a case in point 1 goal 3 points and in truth it was dreadful to watch although no worse than the away fixture before Christmas. However I think those fans who are expecting anything else beyond solid organisation and grinding results out by whatever means possible certainly in the short term are whistling in the dark.

Never has a Head Coach appointment been greeted with such euphoria but I fear this will wear thin when we facing this type of football over the long term.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 17, 2015, 11:53:08 AM
One thing that I have accepted is something others haven't . We have played poor football most of our time in the premiership . In the championship it was good because of the quality of who you are playing against . Under hodgson it was organisation and counter attacking with long, odemwingie and lukaku . We don't have these players now so it's been dire . Even when at home there was only 2 players up front . How can you score goals when you only have 2 players up front , no pace from wide . This team needs a clear out and a different approach . There is only 4 or 5 teams that are equipped to be expansive with there football and we ain't one .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 17, 2015, 12:18:45 PM
Of course everyone has an opinion, and this is just mine. Personally I find negative opinions about Pulis at this moment in time pointless and ultimately divisive. It’s all about If If If. If we stay up; If Pulis doesn’t fall out with Peace; If we play like Stoke; If we …. I feel that this thinking leads us to end up with the atmosphere we had at the Hull game. Quiet, nervous and un supportive. Waiting to see what happens, not enjoying just being at the game, not supporting the team no matter what. We criticise our players when they don’t try or play in a negative way (or even might play sometime in the future) isn’t that what we are doing as fans if we don’t create a positive atmosphere to support the team. I’m not saying fans can’t criticise, but a positive, noisy singing supportive crowd are a part of what makes the very thing supporters say they want, a successful exciting winning team. I guess its all about attitude. If you set out to watch the Albion with a negative mind set that’s what you will see and how much you will enjoy the match. It is said that a team reflects a managers personality, I think this is also the case with a clubs supporters. I have colleagues at work that no matter what changes or instructions we are given their default position is to moan about it. Sorry if this opinion makes me a "happy clapper"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 17, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
I don't think its really negativity, I just think people are coming down off the 'anyone but Irvine' high and now starting to think what this could mean.

My view is this: Pulis is experienced, knows the league and has a decent record at this level. He is similar to Hodgson in many respects in that he is seen as a pair of safe hands. From that point of view I'm pleased that he is with us. I have also been generally impressed by the things that he has said and done since his arrival.

On the flip side I have never liked his style of play. He was at Stoke for a number of years, building a squad with a lot of money that reflected his style of play. I hated his football and the cynical tactics at Stoke and I would be gutted if we bring that here but I expect he will.

When he came people started talking about Gamboa etc, but for me his arrival signalled the end of that type of player, and I don't expect Gamboa or Blanco to get anywhere near the team.

It's one thing staying in the Premiership but if it means that we become known for being a big cynical bullying team then I'd be gutted and ultimately I think that's what will happen. People will take Palace as an example that this may not happen,but I struggle to see how half a season with Palace is a better indicator than 20 odd years management playing pretty dire football.

I personally took lot of satisfaction from the Mowbray days, and I know that will sound daft but I was right behind what he was trying to do. It was entertaining, and who knows what would have happened if he had stayed, though his subsequent lack of success suggests it was the right thing to do.

Personal opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 17, 2015, 12:37:49 PM
People keep talking about cynical play. The most cynical thing I've seen so far is Sessegnon going down very easy before the first goal against Gateshead.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 17, 2015, 12:39:13 PM
You have to give Jeremy Peace enormous credit. He f*d up completely by giving Irvine the job but he wasn't stubborn, he didn't p*** the fans off for a year or two, he wasn't blindly arrogant, he gave Irvine enough time to allow him to convince, he didn't do that and Peace got rid of him. Some other chairmen would've kept irvine for ages as an act off stubborn arrogance but not Jeremy, he obviously realised he had made a big mistake and he changed it.

Randy Lerner, he of the 'Porn Stars for Beginners' stage name.
Annoying Villa fans for years.
Long may it continue.
SOTV.
 8).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 17, 2015, 12:42:43 PM
People keep talking about cynical play. The most cynical thing I've seen so far is Sessegnon going down very easy before the first goal against Gateshead.

I keep hearing rumours that Charlie Adam will be winging his way to the Hawthorns.
My, that'll get a few tongues wagging and a few keyboards twitching.
 ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 17, 2015, 12:49:35 PM
I have no problem with Pulis being appointed. He was a pragmatic appointment at a time where much of the good work of previous years appeared to be unravelling.

Realistically there wasn't too much choice was there? Sherwood is pretty much unproven, Jol has the air of a man who us fed up with management, after that who else?

At the moment Albion need stability by any means, after the disappointment of Clarke's second season, the circus of Mel's time (whatever the cause of the comedy we had become personally I liked the bloke but the club seemed in total disarray) and the doomed tenure of Irvine the club desperately needs a period of calm and rebuilding.

Let's hope the Pulis can deliver that in his two and a half years here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 17, 2015, 01:01:29 PM
Happy birthday tone
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 17, 2015, 01:02:58 PM
Happpy birthday for yesterday Mr Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 17, 2015, 01:08:03 PM
at stoke he hardly played any acadamy players aswell, and i cant imagine him playing players like garmston either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 17, 2015, 01:16:30 PM
at stoke he hardly played any acadamy players aswell, and i cant imagine him playing players like garmston either.

That's always a convenient dig, but the truth is the Academy didn't produce any good players. The best youth player by a clear distance was Ryan Shotton. He's now struggling to get into the Derby team at the level below.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on January 17, 2015, 01:16:50 PM
at stoke he hardly played any acadamy players aswell, and i cant imagine him playing players like garmston either.

Have Stoke had any come through their Academy into the first team since he left? We have only really had Berahino come through and become a regular in the last few years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 17, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Have Stoke had any come through their Academy into the first team since he left? We have only really had Berahino come through and become a regular in the last few years.
Our full academy set-up is relatively new (8-10 years) so the likes of George Thorne and Saido are among the first batch of graduates from this setup....there would be hopes of a few others following in coming years but they will need a chance to prove themselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2015, 01:47:51 PM
I doubt we'll see too many youth break throughs but at the same time he doesn't seem completely averse to them, Shotton made 23 appearances in 2 consecutive seasons in the premier and he's not even particularly good. Mind you, Adil Nabi aside we don't seem to have anyone who's going to be knocking on the first team door within the next 3 seasons either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adamstv on January 17, 2015, 02:46:05 PM
What's the point of any of this negativity? The man has been given a 2 and half year contract . He has a really difficult job to do which he has hinted at . GET BEHIND THE BLOKE if you call herself supporters .
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Could not have put it better but I think "herself" should be replaced by "yourselves" :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionBest on January 17, 2015, 02:49:27 PM
Not sure why we think there is negativity around - misgivings long term yes as with any new manager - but most people have been reenergised by the changes and are looking forward to games much more than any time in the last two years.
Let's try and enjoy the ride !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionDaz on January 17, 2015, 04:36:36 PM
I doubt we'll see too many youth break throughs but at the same time he doesn't seem completely averse to them, Shotton made 23 appearances in 2 consecutive seasons in the premier and he's not even particularly good. Mind you, Adil Nabi aside we don't seem to have anyone who's going to be knocking on the first team door within the next 3 seasons either.

You never know Dan,there only young and can go either way in there development,hardest part for us is hanging onto them if one does break though.
Also I think Andy Wilkinson came through there Academy too,not 100% though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 11:55:56 AM
Great to watch during an interview and on the touchline, love his passion
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 12:32:22 PM
Did anyone else pick up on TP saying something like, (paraphrased) "the coaches work on the skills, while I work on the shape and in match tactics". Seemed a bit strange to me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 20, 2015, 12:43:25 PM
You could hear him shouting to the players on the TV...... long time since we have had that from the touchline!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: monkey nuts on January 20, 2015, 01:12:14 PM
the most telling of his comments for me after the game were

the players are working hard but i don't think they're used to working this hard

bye bye easy street boys
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on January 20, 2015, 01:21:27 PM
Did anyone else pick up on TP saying something like, (paraphrased) "the coaches work on the skills, while I work on the shape and in match tactics". Seemed a bit strange to me.

What is strange about it???
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 01:28:39 PM
What is strange about it???

I would have thought that the 2 go hand in hand, especially in the early days when you are trying to instill a style of play surely you would need to know who has the requisite skills to implement the plans? My cynical head thought maybe he was distancing himself from the lack of skills in the squad
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 06:48:09 PM
Apart from Palace a Tony Pulis team havent finished above the Albion, is this correct?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 20, 2015, 06:49:41 PM
Apart from Palace a Tony Pulis team havent finished above the Albion, is this correct?

Stoke finished above Albion in the Premier League when we had Mowbray.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 20, 2015, 06:51:51 PM
Stoke finished above Albion in the Premier League when we had Mowbray.


yes indeed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 20, 2015, 07:01:44 PM
Can't believe the cobblars being spoken about Pulis and last nights game on radio WM. Whats entertaining about losing? "The Albion way" whats that ? Losing by rolling over and having our tummy's tickled?
The reason why Pulis set up that way is the players aren’t good enough to play any other way to get a result.
The players abilities dictated the way Pulis had to set them up to get a result.
He will play a  "better way” if we could get  players. E.G Ba, Lambert, Fletcher, McManaman, etc
Better players better style of play its very simple. We can’t afford these aesthetic morals on the money we spend. That's the preserve of the big clubs. Maybe if Pulis gets us to the point where we are a stable mid table club then lets talk about playing attractive football maybe the way Southampton way. But not now lets walk before we can run. Ask Wigan fans under Martinez playing attractive football if they would swop with us now?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 20, 2015, 09:34:36 PM
A few fans need to get over themselves - 'the Albion Way', what a load of rubbish. I clearly remember Woking and the 80s/ 90s 'wilderness years' which is when I began watching Albion. I know this has been done on another thread but in 100 years we've probably played wonderful football for 10 years max (10% of the time). 

In simple terms, you build a team from the back (a la Roy), then you add some flair and attacking intent (first few months of Clarke), then you have a team which is entertaining. This doesn't last for us because we'll either have richer clubs poaching our best players (Robson/ Cunningham) or naturally teams run out of steam.
Either way, you have to win games to be able to build a team/ attract better players. We seriously need to look at ourselves if we're complaining about winning games whilst we're rebuilding which is what we're currently doing or have I missed something?

The difference with Pulis compared to Clarke, Mel and Irvine is I trust him to build a team which wins games. I didn't enjoy watching Mowbray's premier league Albion team, boring, slow, sideways, possession football without a cutting edge.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 09:40:07 PM
"The difference with Pulis compared to Clarke, Mel and Irvine is I trust him to build a team which wins games. I didn't enjoy watching Mowbray's premier league Albion team, boring, slow, sideways, possession football with a cutting edge."

But at least other managers congratulated him on his "Fast flowing bull" After turning us over.

Personally I like a realist in charge who can do the business of keeping us up and strengthening the team so other hate coming here!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: spencer Baggie on January 20, 2015, 10:19:59 PM
Those who are moaning are living on a different planet.

Build a solid defence and build from there.

Solid and collecting more points. Or half soaked and losing every bloody week? I know which I prefer, and I'm excited to see what Pulis can do long term.

Survive this year, then build.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 20, 2015, 10:34:23 PM
To those labelling TP's tactics as a disgrace...

Remember the Mowbray PL season? He actually said he'd be happy to be relegated as long as we played nice football. THAT was a disgrace.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on January 20, 2015, 10:38:00 PM
To those labelling TP's tactics as a disgrace...

Remember the Mowbray PL season? He actually said he'd be happy to be relegated as long as we played nice football. THAT was a disgrace.
Some of our 'fans' have said that as well. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
Some of our 'fans' have said that as well. :o

With the proviso that the club remains solvent,

I would rather see good, attractive, attacking football in the chumps than boring, negative survival at all cost, "football" in the greed league.

I am NOT ashamed or embarrassed to state that.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 10:53:13 PM
With the proviso that the club remains solvent,

I would rather see good, attractive, attacking football in the chumps than boring, negative survival at all cost, "football" in the greed league.

I am NOT ashamed or embarrassed to state that.
Prob is it is risky. Just Glad you are not in charge!!
 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 20, 2015, 10:54:18 PM
Think it's a case of wait and see with Pulis. I also want to enjoy watching our team play some good football but I think Pulis can be forgiven for taking a short term 'we have to do whatever it takes to stay in the league this year' view.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 20, 2015, 10:56:00 PM
 >:(
Prob is it is risky. Just Glad you are not in charge!!
 8)

Quite right too, in JP we trust !

i have to accept its business now, doesn't mean i have to like it !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 20, 2015, 10:56:56 PM
the most telling of his comments for me after the game were

the players are working hard but i don't think they're used to working this hard

bye bye easy street boys

Spot on too...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 20, 2015, 11:13:37 PM
>:(
Quite right too, in JP we trust !

i have to accept its business now, doesn't mean i have to like it !

I know I know. But this ain't the 68's or the 80's But I do understand what you mean.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on January 21, 2015, 08:32:18 AM
Is it my imagination or are the press ascribing Albion's activities and movements in the transfer market quite clearly to Pulis now rather than the club?

It seems to me that previously we might for example have read a headline saying "Albion end Varela loan" whereas today (in the "i") it says "Pulis ends Varela loan" and I am sure that I have seen other examples too talking about "Pulis wants...(this player or that player)".

All signalling a very clear shift in messaging at least about the power structure within the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on January 21, 2015, 08:44:08 AM
I think the attacking football will come, TP specifically said in his interview after the game that he was disappointed with Brunt, Morrison and Gardner with their ball retention once we got the ball to them, once TP has his players in we will see quick counter attacking like we used to under RH.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 21, 2015, 09:33:06 AM
If fans want to see possession football without a cutting edge and which results in not winning many points, Villa park is a good place to see that these days................. ;)

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 21, 2015, 06:50:17 PM
Does anyone actually think we have been playing attacking football over the last few years.
I must have been going to the wrong ground.
I do actually think at the moment we have no choice but to play the way we did the other night, lets stay in this league and give him a chance to biuld a solid side and i think he will.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on January 21, 2015, 09:29:21 PM
Speaking to Stoke fans today at work they were highly critical of Pulis' purchases when he was the manager of Stoke; stating he signed a number of lemons for a lot of money! Dave Kitson and Tuncay Sanli for 5m each respectively being two of the ones they highlighted in particular.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: ex coseley kid on January 21, 2015, 09:56:36 PM
Speaking to Stoke fans today at work they were highly critical of Pulis' purchases when he was the manager of Stoke; stating he signed a number of lemons for a lot of money! Dave Kitson and Tuncay Sanli for 5m each respectively being two of the ones they highlighted in particular.

Wow that's the equivalent of one Brown Ideye!  ;)
Don't worry I'm just messin'!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 21, 2015, 11:16:18 PM
 jones for 8 million and  palacios for over 10 million are probably his most worst signings 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 21, 2015, 11:40:40 PM
In terms of buys, Tony Pulis isn't perfect and it's been mentioned above that some of his signings have been poor to say the least. However, I still believe he is better than our current scouting/signing system of the past two seasons and more importantly his management is his main quality.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2015, 12:09:47 AM
Pulis' most important job now he's got the defence sorted is getting a tune out of Youssuff Mulumbu. Easily our best player at the top of his form.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SirTonyM on January 22, 2015, 04:39:44 AM
Speaking to Stoke fans today at work they were highly critical of Pulis' purchases when he was the manager of Stoke; stating he signed a number of lemons for a lot of money! Dave Kitson and Tuncay Sanli for 5m each respectively being two of the ones they highlighted in particular.

In the last 2 years we bought or loaned:

Anichebe 6 Mill
Ideye 10 Mill
Scott Sinclair (remember him), Anelka, Rosenberg, Samaras,Gamboa and Blanco who didn't start a game.

So I reckon Tony will fit in well ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 22, 2015, 06:31:09 AM
In the last 2 years we bought or loaned:

Anichebe 6 Mill
Ideye 10 Mill
Scott Sinclair (remember him), Anelka, Rosenberg, Samaras,Gamboa and Blanco who didn't start a game.

So I reckon Tony will fit in well ;)

Looks we we unearth a lot of turds before we find a diamond (oh for another Lukaku)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
Again we find ourselves knocking TP before he has even bought a player........he is after certain players for certain reasons, lets judge him once he has put the team together and we have seen them

Its pointless mentioning players he has bought that have not worked out, even the great Sir Alex bought a few turkeys... remember Djemba Djemba, or Veron [£28.1m!] to name a few......no manager has a perfect buying record, including TP... give the man a chance....!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 22, 2015, 07:51:18 AM
Again we find ourselves knocking TP before he has even bought a player........he is after certain players for certain reasons, lets judge him once he has put the team together and we have seen them

Its pointless mentioning players he has bought that have not worked out, even the great Sir Alex bought a few turkeys... remember Djemba Djemba, or Veron [£28.1m!] to name a few......no manager has a perfect buying record, including TP... give the man a chance....!
Are you not aware of how this forum works? ;D

Pulis record in the transfer market is not great and his attempted dealings in the transfer market were essentially his downfall at Palace. He may have a significant part in the final say as to who we buy and I do not expect we will purchase anyone he hasn't agreed to but I would have serious concerns if we handed over complete control to him (and haven't the club already come out and said this is not the case?) Essentially our transfer policy hasn't changed, just the personnel?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 08:01:52 AM
Fully aware of how this forum works thank you.

It is clear that TP appears to have a major say in who is or is not joining the club. This appears to be a departure from JP's policy and is a brave step. However, our recent record has been poor to put it mildly. Personally I welcome the move. Hopefully it will be a success, but if it does 'crash and burn' then only he will be responsible, and not some suits who still manage to retain their positions despite costing us millions.......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 22, 2015, 08:44:20 AM
I don't think there have been any major changes in our infrastructure since TP arrived. The HC has always had an input & indeed the final say into who comes in to the FC. I doubt if any of the players we are being associated with at the moment, have not been previously identified as potential from our "Scouting Mechanism".

IMO the contentious area is, players leaving. HC's are always going to try to hedge there bets & hold on to players who might be useful, on the other hand, with a finite budget, they have to release some, to fund the incoming players. It's a question of judgement on whether what you've got is better or worse than what's out there. Personally, I think we gave ourselves a mountain to climb by releasing 13 players at the same time as bringing in a new DoF & HC

As far as the departure of two of our long serving members of the scouting team, has anyone considered that it might be methodology that's determined it, as opposed to performance? Why would you need scouts on the ground to identify players, when there's a widely available global database?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 09:10:01 AM
I don't think there have been any major changes in our infrastructure since TP arrived. The HC has always had an input & indeed the final say into who comes in to the FC. I doubt if any of the players we are being associated with at the moment, have not been previously identified as potential from our "Scouting Mechanism".

IMO the contentious area is, players leaving. HC's are always going to try to hedge there bets & hold on to players who might be useful, on the other hand, with a finite budget, they have to release some, to fund the incoming players. It's a question of judgement on whether what you've got is better or worse than what's out there. Personally, I think we gave ourselves a mountain to climb by releasing 13 players at the same time as bringing in a new DoF & HC

As far as the departure of two of our long serving members of the scouting team, has anyone considered that it might be methodology that's determined it, as opposed to performance? Why would you need scouts on the ground to identify players, when there's a widely available global database?


Good points, although I refuse to believe that as HC Irvine had any say on the players we acquired this summer........
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 22, 2015, 09:31:53 AM

Good points, although I refuse to believe that as HC Irvine had any say on the players we acquired this summer........

It's fair to say that all the players who came in last summer put pen to paper after AI was appointed, but 13 players were released before he arrived. Therefore, although he had the opportunity to say no, the choice was either it's this player or nobody.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 22, 2015, 09:37:43 AM
It's fair to say that all the players who came in last summer put pen to paper after AI was appointed, but 13 players were released before he arrived. Therefore, although he had the opportunity to say no, the choice was either it's this player or nobody.


I can see your point, have to admit that it was a very surreal few weeks last summer.......hopefully we have learnt from it.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: chippyclarke on January 22, 2015, 10:05:28 AM
At Stoke, Pulis had Peter Coates' huge cheque book to play with. As we well know, Jeremy's is considerably smaller!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2015, 10:07:28 AM
At Stoke, Pulis had Peter Coates' huge cheque book to play with. As we well know, Jeremy's is considerably smaller!



doesnt Coates own 888 and similar companires etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 22, 2015, 10:18:29 AM
In simple terms the 'head coach/ manager' (leader of the playing side) needs to ensure players signed will fit into the squad/ team structure he has.

We can argue it was tail wagging dog before or we could argue the dog (Irvine/ Mel/ Clarke) didn't bark loud enough or have his plan for the squad clearly enough. Clarke winged to the press but the results didn't come.

That's all in the past now and it seems to me we still have 'layers' of recruitment like we've always had (scouting, reports, interviews, Terry Burton/ Merv Day/ Pulis discussing how the players will fit in, negotiations, lawyers). The big difference now seems (my perception) to be a Pulis knows clearly what he wants and will make sure he gets it, hence the apparent many bids we've submitted. Stoke fans I know have already predicted exactly the type of players we'll sign and they'll be proven right I'm sure. If the results happen on the pitch (like they have in Pulis' previous jobs, then I'm happy.....for a while at least  ;D).

The Everton and Hull matches reminded me of Roy's first six months in charge - solid, defend, get a result. This is what we've missed since Jan 2013 when Clarke began losing too much.

If in January and in the summer we add some good attackers to this squad, I think we'd be a pretty tough game for anyone with Pulis in charge. It seems in the past few years 10%-20% of our signings have come off so you'd hope it's not too difficult to try to improve this from now on!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on January 22, 2015, 11:18:09 AM
I think that the switch to a more UK based team helps on the unity front.  Last week we had 10 UK based players (including big Vic) and only Yacob matured overseas.  This was one of Pulis' first goals.  (Recognising... there was definitely an element of this under Irvine too.)

Having seen him quickly move on players that initially seemed to offer a lot, but in reality have been pretty ineffective you can tell that Pulis means business, demands commitment and is pretty cut-throat when he needs to be.

With less than 11 days in this transfer window its difficult to see where the players that are really going to make a difference are going to come from.  Ejecting this many players before any arrivals suggests confidence that better players will arrive.  Fingers crossed, but (maybe I've been brainwashed over the years) I think its going to be very difficult to bring in more than a couple of players that are going to have a decent impact on the 1st team.  Historically we're lucky if there is one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 22, 2015, 11:35:56 AM
There could be 5 or 6 gone . Leaves room for 4 decent signings .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 22, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
Pulis' most important job now he's got the defence sorted is getting a tune out of Youssuff Mulumbu. Easily our best player at the top of his form.
Yes, couldn't agree more. Mulumbu's been a bit out of sorts for a while, maybe sympathy for Anelka was part of it, but for Irvine to basically drop him from the first XI was bonkers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Crosser on January 22, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
Maybe some of our Academy boys are going to get a chance, or do the Powers that Be think it's too much of a risk?
Other teams are willing to blood youngsters. Who is to say maybe a couple of ours may blossom with some exposure and responsibility. :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 22, 2015, 02:42:53 PM
just throwing this out there, maybe TP has come in, he found a split dressing room, along newbies and oldies lines.
 
Now his doctrine of unity meanswork to unite or  keep 1 half ditch the other (regardless of skills). His decision then due to time constraints is do I ditch
a) the basically british, Premier League experienced, old guard, or
b) varied origin, no history of PL, newbies

so TP has come down on the side of the old guard (please note, I'm avoiding the word clique). Which seems pretty sensible.

Now he has to bring in replacements, who will gel with the old guard, what will they be??  Its a fair assumption that they will be British, ex-prem players, not top class (cost), so likely workmanlike, solid and that means performances will be ..............

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on January 22, 2015, 03:04:36 PM
just throwing this out there, maybe TP has come in, he found a split dressing room, along newbies and oldies lines.
 
Now his doctrine of unity meanswork to unite or  keep 1 half ditch the other (regardless of skills). His decision then due to time constraints is do I ditch
a) the basically british, Premier League experienced, old guard, or
b) varied origin, no history of PL, newbies

so TP has come down on the side of the old guard (please note, I'm avoiding the word clique). Which seems pretty sensible.

Now he has to bring in replacements, who will gel with the old guard, what will they be??  Its a fair assumption that they will be British, ex-prem players, not top class (cost), so likely workmanlike, solid and that means performances will be ..............

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that the scenario you have postulated is not a million miles away from reality. If true I find it deeply troubling. Unfortunately we can only be pragmatic about the situation right now but depending on the outcome of the season I would like to wish the "old guards" well and invite some brightness into the ranks.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: colinmax on January 23, 2015, 07:27:00 AM
Some people criticised our performance on Monday night as boring and moaned at TP's tactics.
I accept that many of the watching millions thought the same but I thought it was a really professional defensive display and as one scribe said I found my adrenalin pumping.
Now cast your mind back 2 years to a match in the same city when we were pummelled for 80 minutes,the home side missed a penalty yet in the last 10 minutes we scored 2 and could have had 5.
Also what about Tuesday evening's televised match when the away side only had one shot and that was a penalty yet has anyone called Chelsea and Mourinho's tactics boring?
Lay off TP until he has had a chance to sort our under performing team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2015, 10:09:31 AM
In TP we trust
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 23, 2015, 12:16:53 PM
I know I'm going to gets dogs abuse for this, but here goes,

I'm more than a little sceptical about the blind faith we are putting in TP.

yes we needed change, and he was / is the best option available, never the less I worry that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. I do REALLY hope my concern is unfounded.

waits for it ....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 23, 2015, 12:39:42 PM
I know I'm going to gets dogs abuse for this, but here goes,

I'm more than a little sceptical about the blind faith we are putting in TP.

yes we needed change, and he was / is the best option available, never the less I worry that we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. I do REALLY hope my concern is unfounded.

waits for it ....

I can understand you may have reservations, but what specifically do you mean by the metaphor "throwing the baby out with the bath water" and what exactly are your concerns??

JP has put his faith in footballing men in the past, successfully with Dan Ashworth, since then we have had a series of, alleged, footballing men, or otherwise, who have proven to be unsuccessful. In TP we have a footballing man with a wealth of experience, a proven track record, ability and a genuine understanding of what it takes to run a PL football club, keep it in the division and competitive.

TP knows the player's he needs to fit the system he wants to play at this time, but like all managers / coaches he may get it wrong occasionally, even SAF did ant ManUre. Personally I have total faith and confidence in his ability as a footballing man with our club, based on his track record and not blind faith. Only time will tell if he will be successful at the Albion, but his record, and that's all we can go on, suggest he will be, all things being equal of course (backing for owner, players, supports et al)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 23, 2015, 12:48:00 PM
We will wait to see . While Irvine was here I fully blamed the players for our predicament . With the addition of a few players who PULIS wants I am hopefull we will stop up .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 23, 2015, 12:52:06 PM
I guess its the seemingly wholesale changes of personnel,

are all the players we are getting rid of unsuitable ?
were both chief scouts sub-standard ?
Did all the coaches who went deserve to go?

In the case of Keily, letting him go without a viable replacement seems naive
The bringing in of Jewell without an agreed / supportable package - just plain daft IMO

I'm likely to be totally wrong, but it seems to be TP is taking actions without considered plans behind them, if that is repeated with on the pitch recruitment we could be in trouble IMO

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 23, 2015, 12:56:46 PM
For me, with TP in charge I automatically feel more confident of getting something out of games than I do when AI was in charge.

Players constantly come out saying how much of a nice guy AI was, I havent seen that happen with TP yet, and I hope I dont see stories like that.

Managers arent there to be 'nice guys', they are the man in charge, the man to install discipline, and most importantly, the man the players respect and will work for.

We saw time and time again, players saying AI was lovely guy, but they never seemed to put a performance in.

I have no doubt in my mind that with AI in charge we would have drawn 0-0 or suffered a 1-0 defeat at home to Hull, and against Everton we would have lost.

TP demands that respect which I dont think AI could. He demands a high level performance from every player, and most of all he aint afraid to ship people out, as we have seen the last few days, I firmly believe the players leaving now, wouldnt be leaving had AI still been here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on January 23, 2015, 01:13:04 PM
Can't turn ***** to wine or whatever.

So has to work with what he has until can mould it how he would like with own players. Who unlike some of the current lot aren't utter dross and actually fancy playing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 23, 2015, 02:04:03 PM
so whats his shelf life? 2 years i say. hes the right bloke for now but he will grind us down with his style long term, just ask Eddie
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 23, 2015, 03:07:17 PM
I guess its the seemingly wholesale changes of personnel,

are all the players we are getting rid of unsuitable ?
were both chief scouts sub-standard ?
Did all the coaches who went deserve to go?

In the case of Keily, letting him go without a viable replacement seems naive
The bringing in of Jewell without an agreed / supportable package - just plain daft IMO

I'm likely to be totally wrong, but it seems to be TP is taking actions without considered plans behind them, if that is repeated with on the pitch recruitment we could be in trouble IMO

I think, to be honest, that we all know the answer to the players, scouts and coaching staff questions given their past performance, where applicable, and the new head coaches approach.

A new brush will always sweep clean and considering comments on here about BF performances of late, that may indicate why Keily departed. If you believe press reports he had GK coach lined up but that was overtaken by the coaches domestic issues.

PJ was out of work and TP offered him a route back in. How much responsibility does PJ have to ensure all the terms of the contract were correct, in place and signed before he took up the post? That, it appears, is yet to be determined by Solicitors, if it has the legs.

I don't think for one minute that TP hasn't got a plan of action already mapped out for the short-term and also the medium-term. But, as John Steinbeck quoted, "The best-laid plans of mice and men / Often go awry".

Finally, at the end of the day, the only opinion that really counts is TP's and I for one am more than happy to go along with him.

Keep the faith and believe as I'm sure are and do :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: zippyandbungle on January 23, 2015, 03:47:51 PM
jones for 8 million and  palacios for over 10 million are probably his most worst signings
and fergie brought djemba djemba, anderson and taibi, someone once paid 50m for torres and 35m for carroll , fact is TP got stoke up, stabilised them and made other teams fear them..
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 23, 2015, 04:01:57 PM
His record at buying people isn't great, but if he could somehow overlap buying 10 utter duds and getting us midtable, then so be it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on January 23, 2015, 04:44:07 PM
Pulis makes a lot of those signings that many would consider shocking but he does in fairness often do alright out a lot of those kind of players. People like Whitehead and Walters would have been considered poor signings if we got them when Stoke did but turned into effective, if not exciting players who kept Stoke from ever being in a relegation battle.

It'll be boring, most the signings too will, and you can probably say goodbye to the likes of Nabi ever having a chance here, but the trade off is he'll probably keep us out of relegation battles and hopefully leave the club with something for someone else to build on, like he did for Hughes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
I agree Dan, I remember it was a straight race between us and Stoke for Carson, we won and he was a flop, they got the second place prize, Sorensen who at the time wasn't as rated and was a steady number one for years at Stoke before Begovic came along. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 23, 2015, 05:45:02 PM
Pulis makes a lot of those signings that many would consider shocking but he does in fairness often do alright out a lot of those kind of players. People like Whitehead and Walters would have been considered poor signings if we got them when Stoke did but turned into effective, if not exciting players who kept Stoke from ever being in a relegation battle.

It'll be boring, most the signings too will, and you can probably say goodbye to the likes of Nabi ever having a chance here, but the trade off is he'll probably keep us out of relegation battles and hopefully leave the club with something for someone else to build on, like he did for Hughes.

Most logical sense I've seen on here regarding signings. I remember us being linked to Walters and many were disgusted by the link but he's done a decent job at Stoke. A regular in a side that mostly do better than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 23, 2015, 05:51:38 PM
Although I agree that he'll get the best out of what he has, when he leaves he'll leave us with a squad of average players. Also, wouldn't it be even better if you put together Pulis' management ability AND high quality signings? Imagine how well we could do with a combination of both. Sadly, I believe scouting input will be totally disregarded in favour of overrated, overpriced domestic players, in which case we might as well do away with the majority of our scouting system.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2015, 06:11:26 PM
I don't think you can ask for both, Pulis is fairly arrogant (and rightly so), so I couldn't see him letting someone else handle transfers, and as the past few years have shown, just because someone is a designated scout it doesn't mean that it will work.
The whole setup under Pulis is very similar to Hodgson, which is only a good thing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2015, 07:24:57 PM
Seen quite a few comments floating around about how we should keep the faith with Pulis in regards to his playing style, and that Palace were anything from good to watch to one of the most attacking sides in the league last season.

I actually think on the pitch Pulis will do fine for us in terms of results (I have concerns about his impact off the pitch) but I think people are trying to kid themselves if they think Palace were some sort of attacking side last season, let alone a decent one. They had games where they played well, and games where they stunk the joint out much like most sides between 8th and 20th. But to say they were attacking is delusional in my opinion.

Im fully aware stats can be misleading, that they dont tell the whole story and I'd rather watch a game with my own eyes than rely on statistics. Also take in to account Pulis took over 11 games in. However some select stats below from last season

Goals scored 19th for the season
Goals scored from when Pulis took over 27 in 27 (would of been 18th averaged over the season, less than Villa and 5 less than us. They also scored 5 in the last 2, until then they were comfortably lowest scorers)
Goals from open play 19h
Short passes 20th
Shots per game 20th
Short pass accuracy 20th
Pass accuracy 20th
Possession 20th (the difference between Palace and West Ham in 19th was greater than the difference between 19th and 11th)

So maybe he's a manager who gets the ball wide, gets his wingers dribbling and gets crosses in to the box. Nothing wrong with that style, can be good to watch

Crosses per game 19th
Dribbles per game 13th (Albion, who we all realise have practically nobody who can dribble were 12th)
Attack left side of pitch 13th
Attack right side of pitch 10th
Attack centre of pitch 13th

So they didn't shift it wide and get the wingers running at full backs. Maybe they're a counter attacking side? They scored 2 goals on the counter all season.

Im not having a go at Pulis as such. Personally I found Mondays game almost unwatchable at times, god knows what a neutral would of thought but thats not our concern. However I appreciate theres many others on here who dont seem to care how we play as long as we stay up and thats fair enough. But can we cut the 'Palace were a good/great attacking side last season' especially after the abuse 90% of us were giving Stoke (rightly so) when Pulis was there.

As someone else said on the Ameobi thread, were going to see plenty more signings like him whilst Pulis is here. Its no surprise so far we've signed/signing Ameobi and sold Blanco and Varela even though the one thing we are crying out for is creativity and pace.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 23, 2015, 08:03:30 PM
The most important statistic from that period: Win rate - 42%

I don't see what you will achieve by dissecting the performance stats. At the end of the day they were a group of Championship players who would have got relegated if he didn't take over. The praise he got in the football world was universal for that reason.

I've just compared the previous West Brom managers on Wikipedia. The only managers to have a win rate over 40% in the last 15 seasons have been Gary Megson, Tony Mowbray and Roberto Di Matteo. Take away their Championship games and they would all be similar to Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2015, 08:20:51 PM
Nobodys debating he's a solid appointment for us. On the pitch he's likely to keep us where we are although I have concerns about the impact he will have on the club in other areas.

My post was in response to other comments such as this as I stated

'You are one of the few people who have I have heard say palace didn't play nice football under Pulis last season. I think they played some of the best football in the league.'


Its rubbish. Im not doubting they were effective, im not disputing results wise he did a decent job at Stoke for the first couple of seasons and a fantastic job at Palace. Im saying anyone who thinks Palace played attractive or attacking football is wrong and probably saw a few clips on MOTD or the last 20 mins v Liverpool. Anyone who thinks were going to do much more than lump it up to a target man, hope Berahino snatches a goal from a scramble whilst playing 2 rigid banks of 4/5 on the edge of our box is going to be seriously disappointed. If your hoping for an away win against a team in the top 8 you can likely forget it and I imagine most of the football we play from now on will make Megsons side look like Barcelona.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 23, 2015, 08:45:27 PM
I enjoyed watching the video of Pulis talking about the West Midlands today. He seems a warm guy with a good sense of humour who I'd like to work for. He'll do well here I think because he has energy and won't be downbeat , something the fans will find contagious I hope !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 23, 2015, 08:50:18 PM
Astle1968 - I think at home, Palace did genuinely play entertaining stuff (using fast players to counter on the wing).

Away however, they were more defensive. I think this will be the case for us this season, more attacking at home, pretty 'ugly' football away. This is quite similar to Roy Hodgson, it won't be samba football but it will be effective, and that is what most want.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 23, 2015, 09:39:42 PM
14 goals in 14 games under Pulis at home (including 3 in a freak 20 mins in their last game against Liverpool)

I'll buy that they were perfectly watchable at times at home. I'll agree to dsagree and it arguably comes to opinions on whats attractive but I still dont agree they were exciting, entertaining, attacking etc
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on January 24, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
I wish he would sign some braves at the rate of knots he signs chiefs, yet another one joins baggies coaching staff, Mark O'Connor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 02:24:30 PM
I wish he would sign some braves at the rate of knots he signs chiefs, yet another one joins baggies coaching staff, Mark O'Connor.

can't sign indians, they are foreign !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on January 24, 2015, 02:33:30 PM
can't sign indians, they are foreign !!

I will treat that remark with some reservation.... ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 02:38:44 PM
I will treat that remark with some reservation.... ;)

slings and arrows
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 24, 2015, 05:23:30 PM
Can't believe the stick Pulis gets, he can't suddenly turn us into a team that is amazing from GK to striker. We need to sort the basics and defence first. You can't win by scoring 2 if you concede at least 2 more often than not.

How many have we conceded since he joined?

He's identified the need for wingers, pace and strikers as well as a midfield box to boxer (Fletcher) so we really shouldn't write him off so soon, let the man get his own players in first at least.

Yes the midfield is very pedestrian and we aren't happy with it but neither is he!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2015, 05:45:39 PM

How many have we conceded since he joined?

None against a conference side.
None against a relegation threatened team that lost their only fit strikers twenty minutes into the game.
None against the team at the bottom of the current form table. (And stopped us from having a single shot on target all game)
One against a Championship team.

Can not do much better than that but it isn't as impressive as some are making out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on January 24, 2015, 05:51:56 PM
None against a conference side.
None against a relegation threatened team that lost their only fit strikers twenty minutes into the game.
None against the team at the bottom of the current form table. (And stopped us from having a single shot on target all game)
One against a Championship team.

Can not do much better than that but it isn't as impressive as some are making out.

Certainly more impressive then the 22% of your Idol.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 05:55:57 PM
I'm really concerned about some of the stuff happening on & off the pitch at present, however I was equally concerned when AI joined and I said I'd give him until xmas, so its only right to give TP some time as well.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 24, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
Certainly more impressive then the 22% of your Idol.
What has Barry Manillow got to do with anything? :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 06:00:28 PM
What has Barry Manillow got to do with anything? :P

Is he 6 foot 4, english and can he play wide right? please,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 24, 2015, 07:01:58 PM
Again not pretty and not the best to watch but we won. Five games unbeaten now this year. You can only beat whats in front of you. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 08:23:59 PM
cant argue with the results,but its horrible to watch,why lescott at left backback,he didn't look comfortable and why risk him there in case he got injured,gardner on right wing when everyone reckons he plays with pace on wings,baird on for sess too,he is the luckiest manager ive seen so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 24, 2015, 08:33:47 PM
 Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:40:54 PM
Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html

Full backs were a massive issue at Stoke. Who did he have as full backs for Palace?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 24, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
Full backs were a massive issue at Stoke. Who did he have as full backs for Palace?

Yeah I seem to recall TP's refusal to sign a left back were doing even the hard core Pulis supporter's heads in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 08:59:46 PM
Yeah I seem to recall TP's refusal to sign a left back were doing even the hard core Pulis supporter's heads in.

Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 09:02:20 PM
Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html
that makes an interesting and so far true read,i would have pocognoli  starting,im not sure im going to like watching the albion until we get the wingers in at least
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 24, 2015, 09:34:31 PM
Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.

I think yor spot on mate.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on January 24, 2015, 09:42:57 PM
 :P
Full backs were a massive issue at Stoke. Who did he have as full backs for Palace?

Ok, so he prefers the width to come further up the field.  I've got no problem with that., provided that we buy good wingers!

Full backs have not really been our strength since the days of Batson and Statham!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 24, 2015, 09:44:04 PM
Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.
Spot on Mowbray and Pepe were our two worst managers in my opinion. I wish TP had joined us after leaving Stoke.
This is a results, business.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KingKoren on January 24, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
:P
Ok, so he prefers the width to come further up the field.  I've got no problem with that., provided that we buy good wingers!

Full backs have not really been our strength since the days of Batson and Statham!

Don't think any fan would dispute that, we have none currently.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 10:12:28 PM
Spot on Mowbray and Pepe were our two worst managers in my opinion. I wish TP had joined us after leaving Stoke.
This is a results, business.

FGS its an entertainment business, if it was results only why would there be a 3rd / 4th division  ????
World cup would be 4 countries .....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 24, 2015, 10:23:25 PM
Spot on Mowbray and Pepe were our two worst managers in my opinion. I wish TP had joined us after leaving Stoke.
This is a results, business.
it would be great to have mowbrays style and pulis results
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 10:25:08 PM
Gents think of this . If it's an entertainment industry we are being ripped off and have been since the seventies . Winning ugly can be intoxicating.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 24, 2015, 10:30:44 PM
FGS its an entertainment business, if it was results only why would there be a 3rd / 4th division  ????
World cup would be 4 countries .....
You are obviously well entertained under the Mowbray nonsense of having us praised by opposing managers after they turned us over.
I am not when giving away 2 or 3 nil leads  your views are far away from mine. I want to win with a bit of guile and common sense. A lot of work was put in by Gary Megson to drag us up. Now we are here I want "grown-ups" In charge not dick heads.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 24, 2015, 10:36:05 PM
beautiful game - ugly game ??

 Pele, cruyff, Maradona, or Beckenbauer, butragueno (sp), jackie charlton
i know which i prefer,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 24, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
beautiful game - ugly game ??

 Pele, cruyff, Maradona, or Beckenbauer, butragueno (sp), jackie charlton
i know which i prefer,

Would that be Big Jack then??
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on January 24, 2015, 10:44:43 PM
Under Roy we had Ridgewell and Reid who were both converted full backs. Both helped with additional aerial presence and had success in the system he employed.

Some of the most tedious football I have seen supporting West Brom was under Roy, I think the football under Mowbray in the Premiership was tippy tappy rubbish too so sometimes it's simply a  matter of perception. What's crucial and what it is about ultimately is what's successful and Pulis will get results even if it's in an ugly fashion. We might play 4 centre backs in defence, 2 defensive midfielders, 2 wingers in midfield and 2 lumps up front but no doubt we'll pick up results.

Sorry but Swansea and Southampton have proved that you can win football matches in the Premier League with some style and entertainment.

I hate watching us defend for 90 minutes at Everton, create one chance which was an 8 yard free kick against Hull and defend for our lives for 60 minutes against an average at best Birmingham City team.

I think we are better than that but thats what we will get from Pulis.  Some will like that some wont.  I just cant get excited about it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 24, 2015, 10:50:42 PM
No its not pretty and I doubt it will be for the rest of the season at least but under Pulis we will get a solid foundation to build from which has started already with today seeing us concede our first goal under him (second if you want to be pedantic and include West Ham).

People have to accept where we are at the moment and the poor performances and results we have had so far this season and for the last couple as well. Time to go back to basics, start from the back and build.

No I don't "like" it but I understand we now have a bloke who if he cannot get what he wants from the squad will get players in that he can get what he wants from so a few will be on their bike in the Summer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 10:51:12 PM
Of cause alby . Don't you think it's hard for clubs like us . Apart from the top 5 the rest of us are scratting around for results . If we need good open attacking football we need some massive backer . Until then I will be happy to just be there . Let's keep our great club in the premier that's all that matters. My son .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 24, 2015, 11:02:27 PM
So far so good I think. He's played strong teams in the cup to get us to the last 16, four points out of six in the Premier League. We've seen teams like Chelsea and City get knocked out the cup today against lower league opposition and we go to Blues who are in excellent form and grab the win. Winning football is good football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbalucas on January 24, 2015, 11:03:45 PM
Of cause alby . Don't you think it's hard for clubs like us . Apart from the top 5 the rest of us are scratting around for results . If we need good open attacking football we need some massive backer . Until then I will be happy to just be there . Let's keep our great club in the premier that's all that matters. My son .

Totally agree people we are winning games it might not be pretty or free flowing attacking football but are we really going to winge about winning games. We don't have a cash happy chairman that's going to splash millions on flashy atacking players . We are definding well and getting wins or picking up points away from home. So give me a 1.0 win over a 5.2 lose any day of the week
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2015, 11:09:21 PM
Yep, let's stay in the Premier League by any means. It's the best league in the world, but we can make a mockery of it with a style of play that's an affront to entertainment. Sorry, but for me football has to be about more than we're serving up at present. I'm just hoping that we can get players in that will enable us be more positive, but the worrying signs are that the old guard has been reverted to yet again and, more than that, they're now being played out of position.

There are clubs showing that you can be OK in this league playing attractive football whose owners don't have budgets that are much higher than us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 24, 2015, 11:11:15 PM
Now we are here I want "grown-ups" In charge not dick heads.
I was quite happy with a dickhead who brought us our first league title for donkey's years, a cup-semi final and a play-off final.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 24, 2015, 11:12:52 PM
who said that you need to play open attacking football, just play decent football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 24, 2015, 11:14:32 PM
under roy we played good football until he tried to persist with 4-4-2
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 24, 2015, 11:16:29 PM
In my 52 years of watching us , very rarely have we had a top top flight club . 5 years in the seventies ok . But we have had a good cup history . Our problem is we are only a small club money wise . I am happy to be in the top flight . The football is not pretty I know . But hey last 16 here we come . Cup draw Monday reminds me of 1966-1970 . Keep the faith boys .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbalucas on January 24, 2015, 11:30:17 PM
who said that you need to play open attacking football, just play decent football

So what is decent football mean to you then
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on January 24, 2015, 11:37:19 PM
In my 52 years of watching us , very rarely have we had a top top flight club . 5 years in the seventies ok . But we have had a good cup history . Our problem is we are only a small club money wise . I am happy to be in the top flight . The football is not pretty I know . But hey last 16 here we come . Cup draw Monday reminds me of 1966-1970 . Keep the faith boys .
Exactly, a happy set of coincidences gave us Regis (bought with the managers own money), Robson (came up through the ranks) and Cunningham (inspired buy) who gelled with the pre-existing setup under a self promoting chancer (Atkinson) and made decent players like Ally Brown, Batson and Cantello feel and play like kings for a too short period when we also still had Tony Brown nearly at his 60s best.  I thought when Lukaku was banging them in and we were winning away all over the place we were getting close to that band-of-brothers thing again, but it kind of slipped away didn't it?

But I'm happy right now if Pulis keeps us up with Anichebe getting a few in off the post or off the defenders laces like today.

And please can we win the f***ing cup this year, I've been waiting since 1968. :(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 24, 2015, 11:47:19 PM
Lescott at left back was not a complete shock he really does not like attacking full backs to such an extent he would rather play a Centre Back there than trust Pocognoli.

Further thoughts on the Pulis revolution and how it might go for our current squad (generally badly in my view)

http://lookbackinmildbewilderment.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/it-s-dog-and-it-barks.html

i remember Hoefkens saying when he joined us that he wasn't allowed to go past the halfway line while at Stoke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 24, 2015, 11:49:15 PM
Regarding the 'ugliness' of Pulis, can people not criticize until after the window? He keeps stressing about maintaining possession and supposedly his buys will help improve this. He can only use the hand he's dealt right now, and that is a fairly average midfield, I'm sure a few buys (new winger & central midfielder) would change a lot of this.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 24, 2015, 11:53:53 PM
Playing good football can mean many things to me;
Man Utd under Fergie were direct but good to watch
Brazil 70 were wonderful at keeping the ball but doing something with it
Barca a few years ago were superb with a very possession based game
Megsons Albion were great at defending and snatching late dramatic goals
Italian 90 , Enhland didn't play well but it was bloody exciting (for a 13 yr old)
Mowbrays Albion in the Championship were flowing and free

The fact is I follow Albion as well as the game of football. I can appreciate other team's football but the difference is, it pisses me off when Albion lose regardless of how we've played. The Mowbrsy prem season was so infuriating hearing others praise the way we played after beating us.

The golden formula for me is
Albion win whilst playing quick, incisive football.

I don't want to watch Albion lose.
I find the possession based game with a slow build up very boring (ask Villa fans).

I believe with some pace and power on the wings and upfront, we might see some quick counter attacking, incisive football under  Pulis. He needs this window and the Summer I'm my view until we see what he's building.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 24, 2015, 11:59:29 PM
Regarding the 'ugliness' of Pulis, can people not criticize untVarela in the window? He keeps stressing about maintaining possession and supposedly his buys will help improve this. He can only use the hand he's dealt right now, and that is a fairly average midfield, I'm sure a few buys (new winger & central midfielder) would change a lot of this.

I'm no fan of Pulis and im very doubtful about it all, but you make a fair point. My worry is about the changes made so far. In particular Varela.  But we don't know what goes on behind closed doors of course.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 25, 2015, 12:08:20 AM
I'm no fan of Pulis and im very doubtful about it all, but you make a fair point. My worry is about the changes made so far. In particular Varela.  But we don't know what goes on behind closed doors of course.
I agree regarding Varela, however I seem to remember someone with a Portugese link at the start of the season say how Varela had an attitude problem which may explain it. If it's not his attitude, then the decision is truly baffling I must admit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 25, 2015, 07:40:35 AM
I find the possession based game with a slow build up very boring (ask Villa fans).
Is frequently losing possession and playing attritional, cynical and defensive football exciting?

I believe with some pace and power on the wings and upfront, we might see some quick counter attacking, incisive football under  Pulis. He needs this window and the Summer I'm my view until we see what he's building.
Players who would offer a natural counter-attacking threat like Gamboa, Varela and Blanco are being drummed out of the club in favour of currently playing 4 centre-backs and no wingers at all (unless you regard Sessegnon as one), so it will be interesting to see what happens before the transfer window closes.

Pulis is certainly putting the pressure on the Chairman: "We have to get some players in. There are certain weaknesses in the team. The team is unbalanced. It was good to have a good look again today. It is unbalanced in a way that we have to sort out because we have to put certain things in place to make us a team that is going to be good in possession and good out of possession. That has to be done, so it is a big ten days. It is a massive ten days for the football club in respect of what we do. And I will just hope and pray that things drop for us.

One of the reason we're unbalanced of course is having players playing out of position (like Gardner yesterday).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2015, 08:25:19 AM
I didn't see any other coaches out there that could get this squad winning and playing wonderful football, therefore I'll take one who can win games hopefully.. I didn't complain watching Megsons team because we progressed. Provided we progress under Pulis that's fine. We could move back to a 'purist'/ 'idealist' manager in a few years. The biggest lie about football currently is that making millions of passes ia great football! The best teams have always played from front to back quickly. Time will tell whether Pulis works out. The difference compared to AI is that I trust him enough to wait for things to develop whereas with AI I saw nothing in the past or present which lead me to bepieve it would work.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: geoff on January 25, 2015, 08:47:10 AM
beautiful game - ugly game ??

 Pele, cruyff, Maradona, or Beckenbauer, butragueno (sp), jackie charlton
i know which i prefer,

I'm hoping we have to play the one team to enable us to play the other next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 09:07:40 AM
Yep, let's stay in the Premier League by any means. It's the best league in the world, but we can make a mockery of it with a style of play that's an affront to entertainment. Sorry, but for me football has to be about more than we're serving up at present. I'm just hoping that we can get players in that will enable us be more positive, but the worrying signs are that the old guard has been reverted to yet again and, more than that, they're now being played out of position.

There are clubs showing that you can be OK in this league playing attractive football whose owners don't have budgets that are much higher than us.

Good post, and

I was quite happy with a dickhead who brought us our first league title for donkey's years, a cup-semi final and a play-off final.

Very good post.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 25, 2015, 09:13:36 AM
I fully back Pulis and for me I wait until he's got his own players in and probably into next season to judge him, BUT, I hope Lescott at LB was a cup thing. Pocognoli really has been one of our better performers all season, he's tall, strong and doesn't back out of a challenge and it would be a massive shame if Pulis doesn't fancy him and opts for pushing Lescott over or sticks Baird there. Baird can easily go over to RB with Poc in and Wisdom out.

Please don't drop Pocognoli !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 25, 2015, 09:36:59 AM
I fully back Pulis and for me I wait until he's got his own players in and probably into next season to judge him, BUT, I hope Lescott at LB was a cup thing. Pocognoli really has been one of our better performers all season, he's tall, strong and doesn't back out of a challenge and it would be a massive shame if Pulis doesn't fancy him and opts for pushing Lescott over or sticks Baird there. Baird can easily go over to RB with Poc in and Wisdom out.

Please don't drop Pocognoli !

I wonder if it was an experiment to fit Olsson back in?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on January 25, 2015, 09:50:20 AM
I wonder if it was an experiment to fit Olsson back in?

Yeah that could be a possibility for sure. I think I read once that Olsson used to play LB at a previous club. Maybe if Pulis has his way it'll be Dawson at RB too! I'd sooner see that than a midfield of all CMs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on January 25, 2015, 10:00:04 AM
5Live were reporting it as a chance for TP to see Dawson and McAuley play together in a competitive game. Hopefully it was a one off cup thing as others have said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on January 25, 2015, 10:15:36 AM
If Man Utd are having trouble getting results, then why are people moaning about what we're seeing, at our level?

Man Utd are a million miles ahead of us, won dozens of trophies in the past 20 years, but look at them now. They are struggling to scrape results, losing at home etc yet they have some of the best players money can buy: Rooney, van Persie, Di Maria De Gea....

I was one of the many who moaned as soon as AI was unveiled, but I believe I had valid reason to: he had no PL experience, had been out of management for a number of years and his previous jobs included teams from lower leagues. We all knew he probably wouldn't last until Christmas so, why experiment? Why not just get the right person first time?

TP is the exact opposite: He has bags of experience, the past number of years keeping Stoke in the PL and doesn't take any stick from anyone. This is the exact thing we need. Players got comfortable under the old system and needed to have their butts kicked around the changing room. A massive clear out happened - something we all begged for all last season.

Yes, it's frustrating when we don't play well and win, but if you want that satisfaction every week (almost) of winning AND playing attractive football then you may as well go and watch someone like Chelsea or Man City. It doesn't even happen at Arsenal and Spurs, who are massive clubs.

TPs first game saw a 7-0 win, do you honestly think we'd have had that under the previous management? We'd have scraped a 1-0, if we were lucky. You could hear TP shouting instructions to get forward and attack right from the off. This guy means business and has the ability to keep us in the league. We need to toughen up and get some points on the board.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 25, 2015, 10:51:05 AM
I think there is a certain amount of whistling in the dark going on here. Yes once there are a few different players maybe things will be a little less disjointed but the basic Pulisball model is well established. Fine get a couple of wingers in but if they are playing as deep as we did against Everton they are not going to make very much difference.

Hiring Pulis is giving up on anything else other than survival by any means possible although on the upside he does takes the cup's seriously and doesn't rotate his teams much so I would hope that a few cup runs to sustain interest.

Short term he is the right man for the job and I am happy to grinding out results but I don't believe it is really a transition to something that will ever be anything other than I slightly more progressive version of Pulisball. Longer term I do wonder where we will end up at the end of the Pulis era.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 25, 2015, 10:56:44 AM
So bad he's undefeated and close to getting Manager of the Month for January.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 10:59:07 AM
Why do I keep reading 'if you want to win playing good football go watch Chelsea/Man City blah blah blah?' I doubt any West Brom fan believes this is possible in every game we play but so far in Tiny's reign we have beaten a mid table conference side who out footballed us for 40 minutes, scraped a fortunate 1-0 against (arguably) the worst team in the Prem, parked a Boeing 747 against a very defensively poor Everton team & showed no intent to win the game & yesterday put 11 men behind the ball for the whole of the second half against a very very average Championship side who looked like a rabbit in the headlights in the first half & were there for the taking without having to endure a squeaky bum last 20 minutes.

None of the following are mutually exclusive:

Win playing good football
Lose playing good football
Win playing ugly
Lose playing ugly

A balance is needed & Mr Pulis will receive my support for 90 minutes each week, for the remainder of the season in the hope he can get us playing any of the above four in a four match cycle, I hope those telling others to 'go watch other teams' will try to understand that, as fans we have an opinion too.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 11:11:41 AM
'Good football' as a term is too vague. Playing good means different things to different people. If West Brom had more possession in the next game there will still be supporters on here saying the football is ugly.

Man United are a great example. For the first 60 minutes against QPR they had 65% possession and created 4 attempts. Lots of backwards and square passing to the 3 center halves. Controlling the ball and keeping all the opposition players in their half. Some West Broms on this thread would consider this good football.

The last 30 minutes, van Gaal switched to 4-4-2, brought on Fellaini for extra height and went more direct. The possession dropped to 50%, but they created 8 shots and converted 2 of those. Some people may consider that last 30 minutes ugly, but they were more dangerous and ended up winning the game.

Football is and will always be a results business. Owners and Chief Executives will bang on about entertainment to justify charging £40+ to watch a game of footy. But while the games are decided on goals and not on a score based system like Ice Skating, the result will always be more important.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 25, 2015, 11:22:03 AM
'Good football' as a term is too vague. Playing good means different things to different people. If West Brom had more possession in the next game there will still be supporters on here saying the football is ugly.

Man United are a great example. For the first 60 minutes against QPR they had 65% possession and created 4 attempts. Lots of backwards and square passing to the 3 center halves. Controlling the ball and keeping all the opposition players in their half. Some West Broms on this thread would consider this good football.

The last 30 minutes, van Gaal switched to 4-4-2, brought on Fellaini for extra height and went more direct. The possession dropped to 50%, but they created 8 shots and converted 2 of those. Some people may consider that last 30 minutes ugly, but they were more dangerous and ended up winning the game.

Football is and will always be a results business. Owners and Chief Executives will bang on about entertainment to justify charging £40+ to watch a game of footy. But while the games are decided on goals and not on a score based system like Ice Skating, the result will always be more important.


You always talk a lot of sense, enjoy reading your input.

In TP we trust
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cidhawk on January 25, 2015, 11:23:53 AM
If Man Utd are having trouble getting results, then why are people moaning about what we're seeing, at our level?

Man Utd are a million miles ahead of us, won dozens of trophies in the past 20 years, but look at them now. They are struggling to scrape results, losing at home etc yet they have some of the best players money can buy: Rooney, van Persie, Di Maria De Gea....

I was one of the many who moaned as soon as AI was unveiled, but I believe I had valid reason to: he had no PL experience, had been out of management for a number of years and his previous jobs included teams from lower leagues. We all knew he probably wouldn't last until Christmas so, why experiment? Why not just get the right person first time?

TP is the exact opposite: He has bags of experience, the past number of years keeping Stoke in the PL and doesn't take any stick from anyone. This is the exact thing we need. Players got comfortable under the old system and needed to have their butts kicked around the changing room. A massive clear out happened - something we all begged for all last season.

Yes, it's frustrating when we don't play well and win, but if you want that satisfaction every week (almost) of winning AND playing attractive football then you may as well go and watch someone like Chelsea or Man City. It doesn't even happen at Arsenal and Spurs, who are massive clubs.

TPs first game saw a 7-0 win, do you honestly think we'd have had that under the previous management? We'd have scraped a 1-0, if we were lucky. You could hear TP shouting instructions to get forward and attack right from the off. This guy means business and has the ability to keep us in the league. We need to toughen up and get some points on the board.

Great post....spot on
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on January 25, 2015, 11:31:46 AM
The football dished up may be dull, turgid and boring but it's no different to what half of the other teams in the Prem serve up.

As others have pointed out it's all about staying in the greed league now.  Too many teams scared stiff of conceding the first goal is the reason why the majority of modern day football is mind numbing.

I will judge the new coach when he has his own players in as at the moment it's still a square peg in round hole scenario and has been for the last few years now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2015, 11:34:46 AM
I really can't see Pulis being here for the long term. The next week is crucial for him in terms of player recruitment.  If we don't get who he wants then I can see an immediate falling out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 11:35:12 AM
'Good football' as a term is too vague. Playing good means different things to different people. If West Brom had more possession in the next game there will still be supporters on here saying the football is ugly.

Man United are a great example. For the first 60 minutes against QPR they had 65% possession and created 4 attempts. Lots of backwards and square passing to the 3 center halves. Controlling the ball and keeping all the opposition players in their half. Some West Broms on this thread would consider this good football.

The last 30 minutes, van Gaal switched to 4-4-2, brought on Fellaini for extra height and went more direct. The possession dropped to 50%, but they created 8 shots and converted 2 of those. Some people may consider that last 30 minutes ugly, but they were more dangerous and ended up winning the game.

Football is and will always be a results business. Owners and Chief Executives will bang on about entertainment to justify charging £40+ to watch a game of footy. But while the games are decided on goals and not on a score based system like Ice Skating, the result will always be more important.

Being a Stoke fan I wouldn't expect you to understand when an West Brom fan says 'good football'  ;) your 'too vague' comment is surely an attempt to muddy the waters of what is a very basic desire for most football fans to be excited by what they are watching, whilst football may be a results business to you, please don't assume you're talking on behalf of all football fans, many of who, like myself prefer to call it an entertainments business, this is why the sport is watched the World over because people love to be entertained, the result of most games are irrelevant to neutrals as long as they have enjoyed watching the game, maybe the 8 (or so) years of the Pulis era you had has given you a different perspective of football & thats fine but wouldn't you agree that the style of play Hughes adopted at Stoke last season was much more enjoyable to watch?     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggieboyfred on January 25, 2015, 11:35:25 AM
there is no doubt that TP was the right man for the job, we know exactly what we were getting, we know it will not be particulary pleasing on the eye especially with the current squad he has to work with, but he knows as we know while they will not set the world on fire, under the right stewardship they will keep us up.
I am sure he is looking to get one or two players in who can increase the attacking options , if he can do that then we may start to win pretty, but in the meantime i will settle for winning ugly and staying in the division , and hopefully as we know TP respects the FA Cup maybe going all the way to Wembley
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on January 25, 2015, 11:36:36 AM
I would class myself as a football purist in that I absolutely love seeing good, attractive football. However, this is a results business and whilst we're not playing free-flowing, champagne football, it's nice to be turning up to games and expecting to see us battle and fight instead of rolling over and having our bellies tickled.

Until Pulis came in I was very quickly losing interest in Albion thanks to the previous Head Coach. I was fed up of seeing us play pointless possession football with no end product, whilst making stupid mistakes at the back. What I'm now seeing isn't easy on the eye but what we can do as fans is hold our heads up high at the end of the 90 and say the players gave everything they've got.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 25, 2015, 11:50:55 AM
My own view is the appointment of Tony Pulis is an outstanding move by the Albion, he's exactly the type of Manager / Head Coach I wanted to see at the club, after the decision was made by the club to remove AI.

Of course I acknowledge the concerns of some of our supporters, but have to say I don't share them and really hope we have Pulis at the helm on a long term basis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 11:57:21 AM
Arsenal are probably playing some of the best football in the division and their fans are not happy calling for Wengers head because they haven't won a trophy for years.

The other day, against Man City, they reverted to a type of football akin to the Pulis style and won, I wonder how their fans feel about that and if it is acceptable?

Managers / Coaches are subject to "Heads I win, tails you lose" syndrome.

One Tony Pulis, there's only one Tony Pulis!!!!!!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on January 25, 2015, 12:09:42 PM
Why do I keep reading 'if you want to win playing good football go watch Chelsea/Man City blah blah blah?' I doubt any West Brom fan believes this is possible in every game we play but so far in Tiny's reign we have beaten a mid table conference side who out footballed us for 40 minutes, scraped a fortunate 1-0 against (arguably) the worst team in the Prem, parked a Boeing 747 against a very defensively poor Everton team & showed no intent to win the game & yesterday put 11 men behind the ball for the whole of the second half against a very very average Championship side who looked like a rabbit in the headlights in the first half & were there for the taking without having to endure a squeaky bum last 20 minutes.

None of the following are mutually exclusive:

Win playing good football
Lose playing good football
Win playing ugly
Lose playing ugly

A balance is needed & Mr Pulis will receive my support for 90 minutes each week, for the remainder of the season in the hope he can get us playing any of the above four in a four match cycle, I hope those telling others to 'go watch other teams' will try to understand that, as fans we have an opinion too.   

I'm sure you told people if you don't like it don't go when your hero was coach. A bit of bitterness that you was wrong, I'm loving WBA again, in Pullis we trust
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: jsam on January 25, 2015, 12:39:40 PM
Older viewers will remember a certain Red Adair - a fabled oil and gas well firefighter of the 60s and 70s who was famously summoned up by desperate oil companies facing disaster from a blow out. When all seemed lost they turned to Red and he was exceptionally good at what he did.

The only thing was that others had to rebuild the rigs and get production back on track once Red had done his job.

For Red Adair, read Tony Pulis. Another expert firefighter - good at being parachuted in to avoid disaster by doing whatever it took in an emergency, but having neither the technical know how nor the imagination to rebuild.

So for now, we need Red (sorry Tony) but he is not the long term solution to move the Albion to the next level.

And, like Red, Tony is playing a dangerous game. Stringing two lines of four across the back and soaking up all the pressure others throw at us (Hull, Everton and Brum second half) can not succeed forever.

Hopefully he will put out the fire for now, but he is not the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 25, 2015, 12:52:33 PM
Being a Stoke fan I wouldn't expect you to understand when an West Brom fan says 'good football'  ;) your 'too vague' comment is surely an attempt to muddy the waters of what is a very basic desire for most football fans to be excited by what they are watching, whilst football may be a results business to you, please don't assume you're talking on behalf of all football fans, many of who, like myself prefer to call it an entertainments business, this is why the sport is watched the World over because people love to be entertained, the result of most games are irrelevant to neutrals as long as they have enjoyed watching the game, maybe the 8 (or so) years of the Pulis era you had has given you a different perspective of football & thats fine but wouldn't you agree that the style of play Hughes adopted at Stoke last season was much more enjoyable to watch? 

For me personally I loved the Cup Final season more than anything Mark Hughes has produced so far.

Pennant and Etherington bombing down the wings with Jon Walters and a Bony like Kenwyne Jones up front. Hammering Bolton 5-0 in the Semi Final. Hammering and scoring 3 past Newcastle, Wolves and Arsenal in the league. I would have fancied us against anybody during that period. If the Cup Final was a few weeks earlier we would have won it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2015, 12:54:21 PM
Why do I keep reading 'if you want to win playing good football go watch Chelsea/Man City blah blah blah?' I doubt any West Brom fan believes this is possible in every game we play but so far in Tiny's reign we have beaten a mid table conference side who out footballed us for 40 minutes, scraped a fortunate 1-0 against (arguably) the worst team in the Prem, parked a Boeing 747 against a very defensively poor Everton team & showed no intent to win the game & yesterday put 11 men behind the ball for the whole of the second half against a very very average Championship side who looked like a rabbit in the headlights in the first half & were there for the taking without having to endure a squeaky bum last 20 minutes.

None of the following are mutually exclusive:

Win playing good football
Lose playing good football
Win playing ugly
Lose playing ugly

A balance is needed & Mr Pulis will receive my support for 90 minutes each week, for the remainder of the season in the hope he can get us playing any of the above four in a four match cycle, I hope those telling others to 'go watch other teams' will try to understand that, as fans we have an opinion too.   

You would find trying to win playing good football would likely end very poorly with what is an extremely limited squad though. To play styles of football you need players to fit it. Our problem is really since mid-way in Clarke's reign there has been no style and hence we've struggled and been extremely easy to beat.

Nobody, anywhere wants their midfield to constantly give the ball away cheaply, regardless of style, nobody wants to be forced back and unable to have any of the ball. These are problems that have plagued the team for 2 1/2 years now.

It also makes no sense to reduce games like you've done, we drew to that same Hull team a month ago, we lost to an even worse QPR side, we lost to that same Everton side at home without putting up any fight, we went to penalties against an Oxford side who were 92nd in the the football league when we played them.

Pulis plays a boring style but he's the right man at the right time. The club was desperate after a succession of terrible decisions to bring someone in who though not exciting actually has a grip on the league and know's what they're doing. It's not quite Hodgson but its towards that level. Bringing someone in to stabilise the club was crucial, Pulis will hopefully be here a few seasons without any relegation battle like he was at Stoke which will make the club far healthier. It's all well and good saying we can play good football but really to get a manager like that for a club like ours who's actually got a decent track record would be remarkable difficult.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 25, 2015, 01:03:44 PM
For me personally I loved the Cup Final season more than anything Mark Hughes has produced so far.

Pennant and Etherington bombing down the wings with Jon Walters and a Bony like Kenwyne Jones up front. Hammering Bolton 5-0 in the Semi Final. Hammering and scoring 3 past Newcastle, Wolves and Arsenal in the league. I would have fancied us against anybody during that period. If the Cup Final was a few weeks earlier we would have won it!

This is football , I remember the great escape season for the achievement (result) not for the fact I sat through mostly dire football all season. We need to get a grip if we're suggesting its better to lose whilst passing it around vs winning whatever it takes! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Plastic Paddy on January 25, 2015, 01:09:01 PM
I think that the time to judge the style of play is when TP has some of his own players in the team. I don't believe for one second that he wants us to sit back and defend for 90 mins and this is backed up by his post match comments after the Everton game in particular. The problem we have at present is that there is no width at all (apart from Brunty  ;)) and the lack of pace in wide/forward areas is frightening!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 25, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
Does anybody know what TP means when he says the team is unbalanced? Is is side to side, front to back, too many of the same type of players? Are there not enough players with different attributes to let him ring changes?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 25, 2015, 01:30:29 PM
 would have liked martin jol as manager, maybe he would play gamboa and poco more
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 25, 2015, 02:23:49 PM
Does anybody know what TP means when he says the team is unbalanced? Is is side to side, front to back, too many of the same type of players? Are there not enough players with different attributes to let him ring changes?

It‘s pretty obvious that this has been the case for some time. Quality, pace and width is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
Does anybody know what TP means when he says the team is unbalanced? Is is side to side, front to back, too many of the same type of players? Are there not enough players with different attributes to let him ring changes?

I find it quite laughable that Tony Pulis can call the team unbalanced to be honest.

Yes it isn't the greatest squad in the world and yes there are too many players who are far too similar and yes we are short on wingers.

But if Pulis wants to talk about balance then he needs to drop the notion that Brunt is a central midfielder and that Craig Gardner is a wideman. You can also then throw in Joleon Lescott figuring at left back and its therefore not hard to realise why our side was so unbalanced yesterday. We had too many players figuring in roles that they are quite simply not comfortable with.

I said in the stand yesterday that it felt like Pulis was trying to make a point to somebody with his selection yesterday that new additions are needed immediately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 02:47:29 PM
I find it quite laughable that Tony Pulis can call the team unbalanced to be honest.

Yes it isn't the greatest squad in the world and yes there are too many players who are far too similar and yes we are short on wingers.

But if Pulis wants to talk about balance then he needs to drop the notion that Brunt is a central midfielder and that Craig Gardner is a wideman. You can also then throw in Joleon Lescott figuring at left back and its therefore not hard to realise why our side was so unbalanced yesterday. We had too many players figuring in roles that they are quite simply not comfortable with.

I said in the stand yesterday that it felt like Pulis was trying to make a point to somebody with his selection yesterday that new additions are needed immediately.

I think with that observation you have actually gone 180 degrees and agree with Pulis assessment.

I also think you are spot on with your last sentence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
I agree with Pulis to the extent our midfield badly requires additions.

I don't agree with Pulis' assessment that Brunt should play in central midfield with Craig Gardner out wide.

Get players into positions they are comfortable with rather than persisting with square pegs in round holes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 03:04:25 PM
I agree with Pulis to the extent our midfield badly requires additions.

I don't agree with Pulis' assessment that Brunt should play in central midfield with Craig Gardner out wide.

Get players into positions they are comfortable with rather than persisting with square pegs in round holes.

I'm hoping that was just a one off line up, personally, I can't see that being the line up against Tottenham
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 03:14:41 PM
I wonder what people mean by playing good football? Does that mean attacking football? Playing passing football? Tiki-taka? Is Chelsea parking the bus at Liverpool good football? Further to that debate lets look at some of the players we have. Arsenal I presume play the kind of “good football” people are arguing about. Would Brunt, Ideye Brown, Baird, Wisdom, Dorrans, Morrison, Samaras, Anichebe, Pocognoli, Gardener, Dawson fit neatly into their team. None of them would be able to play for Arsenal NONE. So why do we expect them to play that type of “good football” for us. Which team in the Premiership should we be able to play as well as? Newcastle, Spurs, Everton, Southampton, Liverpool? Good players play good football whatever the style attacking or defensive. We don’t have good players in Premier League terms that’s why we play unattractive football. Nothing to do with Pulis. Does Pulis organize Brunt to pass the ball constantly to the opposition team or Gardener,Wisdom the same. Or Anichebe to be unfit and have little belief in his ability I could go on. The good players we have who can play “good football” are Berahino, Foster, Lescott . With only  those three or four players Wenger would struggle to play “good football”. People need to wake up and smell the Bovril about this Barcelona esc football Pulis is depriving us of.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: east-stand-nick on January 25, 2015, 03:17:35 PM
Winning football to me is good football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on January 25, 2015, 03:20:35 PM
One thing Pulis will do is try to build us a good foundation for a team that does the basics well and is hard to beat.

Hodgson did exactly the same and is one of the reasons we had such a good start under Clarke
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
For me, good football is football that gets me excited and want to watch again.  Football that gets on first on MOTD or chosen as game of the day on Sky Sports or even the Football League show. Not had a lot of that lately.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 03:44:08 PM
For me, good football is football that gets me excited and want to watch again.  Football that gets on first on MOTD or chosen as game of the day on Sky Sports or even the Football League show. Not had a lot of that lately.
And how do you think we achieve good football at West Brom?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on January 25, 2015, 03:44:52 PM
West Brom’s transfer policy is failing so it’s time to trust Tony Pulis

Source:- http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/25/west-broms-transfer-policy-is-failing-so-its-time-to-trust-tony-pulis-5035151/?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 04:00:56 PM
And how do you think we achieve good football at West Brom?
It doesn't start with two banks of four.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:11:23 PM
1. play it on the deck (mostly)
2. accurate passing
3. crisp passing interchanges
4. playing 1-2's
5. progressive passing not  constantly sideways
6. taking opposition players on
7. taking chances not constantly erring on side of caution

And no you do not have to be world class to do this.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:17:57 PM
It doesn't start with two banks of four.
433? Dorrans Brunt and Gardener in midfield. Can't wait for the good football to ensue!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:20:13 PM
1. play it on the deck (mostly)
2. accurate passing
3. crisp passing interchanges
4. playing 1-2's
5. progressive passing not  constantly sideways
6. taking opposition players on
7. taking chances not constantly erring on side of caution

And no you do not have to be world class to do this.

And which of our current squad have consistantly played this way under 3 different styles of managers?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:22:00 PM
  And which of our current squad have consistantly played this way under 3 different styles of managers?
None, hence the dis-enchantment of some of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:23:45 PM
None, hence the dis-enchantment of some of us.
My point is , is that Pulis and his style of play or the quality of the players we have?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
I'm sure you told people if you don't like it don't go when your hero was coach. A bit of bitterness that you was wrong, I'm loving WBA again, in Pullis we trust

HaHa there you go again kirky, failing to understand what people are posting, I'm tempted to explain in detail but not sure it's worth the effort.

Two points though 1) when was I wrong? (as in what did I say that was wrong  ??? )
2) "I'm loving WBA again"....so you fell out of love with WBA because they employed a head coach you didn't like...................oh dear  ::) 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 04:27:45 PM
For me personally I loved the Cup Final season more than anything Mark Hughes has produced so far.

Pennant and Etherington bombing down the wings with Jon Walters and a Bony like Kenwyne Jones up front. Hammering Bolton 5-0 in the Semi Final. Hammering and scoring 3 past Newcastle, Wolves and Arsenal in the league. I would have fancied us against anybody during that period. If the Cup Final was a few weeks earlier we would have won it!

Fair point mate but what about the other seven seasons  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 25, 2015, 04:31:18 PM
My point is , is that Pulis and his style of play or the quality of the players we have?

as in most things a bit of both, Brunt, Mozza, Mulla? played under RDM & Mowbray, so could play that way.

TP will not play that way, AI couldn't, I think Roy would have if he had been around another season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 25, 2015, 04:36:02 PM
For me our biggest problem as been our forward thinking players.
Players like Brunt, Morrison , ideye, sess and big Vic, all who are simply not good enough and i am hoping that we bring in a few quality players especially in the centre of midfiield .
Lets hope once we get in a position of safety and have prem position secured for next season we will see some better players and a more attacking style of play.
As for now i will settle for getting the points any how we can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 04:40:03 PM
as in most things a bit of both, Brunt, Mozza, Mulla? played under RDM & Mowbray, so could play that way.

TP will not play that way, AI couldn't, I think Roy would have if he had been around another season.
I think if the players we have were asked to play that way they wouldn't do it very well e.g. Brunt can't pass to another of our players no matter what the system is
And we would lose its as simple as that. I suppose the long term debate is would Pulis ever buy players capable of playing that way. I think it would cost more than we have to spend even if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 25, 2015, 04:49:18 PM
The phrase "imbalance" can mean a lot of things depending on who is using it in the case of Pulis it boils down to not having the right type of players for Pulisball, it is not having a squad capable of playing 3 different formations and interchanging seamlessly between them.

In this instance his main target man is Anichebe and he does not regard him as fit enough. His other two forwards are carbon copies of each other Berahino being in form and Ideye being out of form but not capable of working together in a 4-4-2.

In midfield he lacks a pairing that works as a central two although Yacob has been outstanding as a DM it is not really the sort of box to box player that Pulis prefers. Obviously there are no wingers but they have to be capable of tracking back and he didn't much like the one we had at the club.

He is probably not happy with having two or three attacking full-backs in the squad (I include Davidson in this although I doubt whether Pulis has seen much of him). The squad he inherited had 4 attacking midfielders in it which is not a position in the Pulisball manual having shipped out Blanco one does wonder about what the future holds for those that remain.

That is what Pulis means by imbalanced although given our rather muddled approach to recruitment for the past couple of years where we have not recruited to a clear tactical template whoever we appointed almost regardless of the system they favoured would probably describe the squad as "imbalanced"

He was almost certainly not making a point through his team selection other than to those he omitted that he has not liked what he has seen of their work to date and that maybe they should be putting in a call to their agents next week to see if a move could be fixed up.

I am guessing will make three or four signings in the next week those players will play week in week out for the remainder of the season and there will be a further purge during the summer.   

The fact that it has come to this is testimony to how badly we have messed things up since the days of Hodgson and Ashworth, there is no point in crying over spilt milk we are where we are. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 04:49:26 PM
433? Dorrans Brunt and Gardener in midfield. Can't wait for the good football to ensue!
Sorry, was I not specific enough for you? Are there only two formations in the game of football?

Good football does not start with two banks of four camped on our box or do you disagree?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 04:55:49 PM
You would find trying to win playing good football would likely end very poorly with what is an extremely limited squad though. To play styles of football you need players to fit it. Our problem is really since mid-way in Clarke's reign there has been no style and hence we've struggled and been extremely easy to beat.

Nobody, anywhere wants their midfield to constantly give the ball away cheaply, regardless of style, nobody wants to be forced back and unable to have any of the ball. These are problems that have plagued the team for 2 1/2 years now.

It also makes no sense to reduce games like you've done, we drew to that same Hull team a month ago, we lost to an even worse QPR side, we lost to that same Everton side at home without putting up any fight, we went to penalties against an Oxford side who were 92nd in the the football league when we played them.

Pulis plays a boring style but he's the right man at the right time. The club was desperate after a succession of terrible decisions to bring someone in who though not exciting actually has a grip on the league and know's what they're doing. It's not quite Hodgson but its towards that level. Bringing someone in to stabilise the club was crucial, Pulis will hopefully be here a few seasons without any relegation battle like he was at Stoke which will make the club far healthier. It's all well and good saying we can play good football but really to get a manager like that for a club like ours who's actually got a decent track record would be remarkable difficult.

Tony Pulis was not in charge for any of those games though & that was the point I was debating, so it doesn't make any sense bringing them up.

At no point have I suggested that Pulis isn't the right man for the job AT THIS TIME, I have said that I will support him on match days & unlike some fans who told us they would give AI time only to slaughter him after any poor result (on here & during some games) I will be good to my word, that doesn't mean I wont come on to the forum & criticise him if I feel its warranted.

My personal hopes are that TP is given the players he wants to build us into a resilient team with the ability to play a decent brand of football when possible, he gets the rest of the season for me, if the football develops into a watchable style great, if not..........................well lets just see.       
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:05:44 PM
I think if the players we have were asked to play that way they wouldn't do it very well e.g. Brunt can't pass to another of our players no matter what the system is
And we would lose its as simple as that. I suppose the long term debate is would Pulis ever buy players capable of playing that way. I think it would cost more than we have to spend even if he wanted to.
Who played the pass to Berahino to set up the first yesterday?  :-X
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 25, 2015, 05:06:51 PM
Who played the pass to Berahino to set up the first yesterday?  :-X

How far do we go back to claim an assist ? Berahino did the work to create the goal and Vic did the work to finish it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 25, 2015, 05:11:48 PM
How far do we go back to claim an assist ? Berahino did the work to create the goal and Vic did the work to finish it.
Who is claiming an assist,  just pointing out an inch perfect pass to feet from a bloke who "can't pass a ball to any of our players" and is getting picked now by his seventh (?) Consecutive full time coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: valleybaggie on January 25, 2015, 05:18:38 PM
TP has stated a couple of times that the team is unbalanced and that we desperately need to make signings. I'm sure that when we eventually sign players that the formation and the personnel we are currently using will change. Does anyone think saido or sess will be playing wing back then? As for playing good football i'd rather see us go out knowing we've got a chance to win whatever method we use. i remember when megson first came some of the football we played wasn't pretty but it was effective. Everytime we walked on the pitch i for one thought we had a chance to win the game. we supposedly played good football under mowbary, it looked good on the eye but where did it get us relegated. tippy tappy with no end product i know which of the above i'd pick
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 25, 2015, 05:37:13 PM
If we play on the eye football attacking football but look weak at the back is that good football or just entertainment. I want to see Albion entertain me but would rather win and I dont care how we do it as long as we win.  Good football I think is assessing each game differently and playing accordingly to it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kirk on January 25, 2015, 05:40:51 PM
HaHa there you go again kirky, failing to understand what people are posting, I'm tempted to explain in detail but not sure it's worth the effort.

Two points though 1) when was I wrong? (as in what did I say that was wrong  ??? )
2) "I'm loving WBA again"....so you fell out of love with WBA because they employed a head coach you didn't like...................oh dear  ::)

Lol don't you should be a politician the half truths and the constant spin, I did give a list of the reasons, you should take a read again you just might learn something. But my god your backing of Tony is on par with Gaius and Caesar, every game it's a constant winge, last time I checked we haven't lost. Yes it's good to be a baggies again but please take your own advise ' if you don't like it don't go' simples  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 25, 2015, 05:49:12 PM
If we play on the eye football attacking football but look weak at the back is that good football or just entertainment. I want to see Albion entertain me but would rather win and I dont care how we do it as long as we win.  Good football I think is assessing each game differently and playing accordingly to it.

I said the same on a thread on here the day TP was appointed. I said it would be a 'horses for courses' scenario. If TP thinks he can win a game of football playing with flair then I think he will. If as appears to be the case he has realised we haven't got the quality in the squad to win games that way, then nobody can knock him for getting results any which way he can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
Lol don't you should be a politician the half truths and the constant spin, I did give a list of the reasons, you should take a read again you just might learn something. But my god your backing of Tony is on par with Gaius and Caesar, every game it's a constant winge, last time I checked we haven't lost. Yes it's good to be a baggies again but please take your own advise ' if you don't like it don't go' simples  ;D

"the half truths and the constant spin" eh? sorry LOST me completely there  ???

And again
when was I wrong? (as in what did I say that was wrong  ??? )
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 06:31:43 PM
I don't like the way the conversation is heading.

Cut the nonsense and lets debate like adults please folks.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 25, 2015, 06:32:25 PM
Can see no reason whatsoever why Lescott played left back when Baird had been doing well and Poco was fit. Why take Vic off when he was giving a master class in hold up play and replace him with someone who is no good with his back to goal. Strange decisions but we got away with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 25, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
Lol don't you should be a politician the half truths and the constant spin, I did give a list of the reasons, you should take a read again you just might learn something. But my god your backing of Tony is on par with Gaius and Caesar, every game it's a constant winge whinge, last time I checked we haven't lost. Yes it's good to be a baggies again but please take your own advise ' if you don't like it don't go' simples  ;D

Can you please provide evidence of constant whinging for every game?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 25, 2015, 06:50:27 PM
I said the same on a thread on here the day TP was appointed. I said it would be a 'horses for courses' scenario. If TP thinks he can win a game of football playing with flair then I think he will. If as appears to be the case he has realised we haven't got the quality in the squad to win games that way, then nobody can knock him for getting results any which way he can.
he doesn't want to play that way though, as his time at stoke showed
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 06:51:35 PM
Sorry, was I not specific enough for you? Are there only two formations in the game of football?

Good football does not start with two banks of four camped on our box or do you disagree?
Sorry but I feel with the current quality of players at Pulis disposal any other way of playing other than the way we have would have resulted in us losing against Everton. What system with our players would you have employed against Everton and the Blues to get a result? We can't play good attacking passing football if we played 4 2 4 or 4 5 1. When Pulis has got us safe then we can talk about sparkling football. I think anything else is just naive. What would be devastating would be to play defensive football and still go down another possibility, especially with all the negativity towards Pulis. How would Mourinho set Chelsea up to play if he had our players?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 08:03:51 PM
I wonder what people mean by playing good football? Does that mean attacking football? Playing passing football? Tiki-taka? Is Chelsea parking the bus at Liverpool good football? Further to that debate lets look at some of the players we have. Arsenal I presume play the kind of “good football” people are arguing about. Would Brunt, Ideye Brown, Baird, Wisdom, Dorrans, Morrison, Samaras, Anichebe, Pocognoli, Gardener, Dawson fit neatly into their team. None of them would be able to play for Arsenal NONE. So why do we expect them to play that type of “good football” for us. Which team in the Premiership should we be able to play as well as? Newcastle, Spurs, Everton, Southampton, Liverpool? Good players play good football whatever the style attacking or defensive. We don’t have good players in Premier League terms that’s why we play unattractive football. Nothing to do with Pulis. Does Pulis organize Brunt to pass the ball constantly to the opposition team or Gardener,Wisdom the same. Or Anichebe to be unfit and have little belief in his ability I could go on. The good players we have who can play “good football” are Berahino, Foster, Lescott . With only  those three or four players Wenger would struggle to play “good football”. People need to wake up and smell the Bovril about this Barcelona esc football Pulis is depriving us of.

There is no measurement for good football. It is very subjective. What some might class as good football some might consider boring. I guess what all supporters want to see is general entertainment, whether we're pressing the opposition, making full bloodied tackles, running at full backs or getting crosses into the box. Those are facets which have been lacking from our play for a very long time.

I don't think fans want tikka-takka they just want to see a healthy combination between attacking and defending. Pulis has a CV which suggests his teams are very hard to beat, are often boring and show little chance of evolving. I don't buy the argument that we as a club or incapable of playing "entertaining" or expansive football. Swansea are a good measurement that having plans in place and recruiting well has its benefits. They have a good group of players, they play to a system and are entertaining to watch, they score goals and they defend well and they're not a club which are being bankrolled by wealthy owners.

What our problem has been is that we have had no semblance of style or direction ever since Hodgson left. We've been a totally mis-match and our recruitment has reflected that often signing players who are polar opposites. With Pulis, we know what we're going to get but despite the deficiencies in this squad they are far more capable of getting points rather than resorting to some out-dated, ancient methods of throwing 11 men behind the ball and offering nothing in any attacking sense as we saw recently at Goodison.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 08:17:26 PM
There is no measurement for good football. It is very subjective. What some might class as good football some might consider boring. I guess what all supporters want to see is general entertainment, whether we're pressing the opposition, making full bloodied tackles, running at full backs or getting crosses into the box. Those are facets which have been lacking from our play for a very long time.

I don't think fans want tikka-takka they just want to see a healthy combination between attacking and defending. Pulis has a CV which suggests his teams are very hard to beat, are often boring and show little chance of evolving. I don't buy the argument that we as a club or incapable of playing "entertaining" or expansive football. Swansea are a good measurement that having plans in place and recruiting well has its benefits. They have a good group of players, they play to a system and are entertaining to watch, they score goals and they defend well and they're not a club which are being bankrolled by wealthy owners.

What our problem has been is that we have had no semblance of style or direction ever since Hodgson left. We've been a totally mis-match and our recruitment has reflected that often signing players who are polar opposites. With Pulis, we know what we're going to get but despite the deficiencies in this squad they are far more capable of getting points rather than resorting to some out-dated, ancient methods of throwing 11 men behind the ball and offering nothing in any attacking sense as we saw recently at Goodison.
Like I said in a previous post "How would Mourinho set up our players to play for Chelsea"? On the converse if Pulis had Chelsea's players do you think he would play boring defensive football just for the sake of it? I think Pulis will play the quality of football he is  allowed to by budget peace gives him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 25, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
people said that that stoke couldn't play  good football with the players that tony had, but then mark hughes came in and made them better to watch and started winning games. with a lot lower budget than pulis had
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 08:37:00 PM
Like I said in a previous post "How would Mourinho set up our players to play for Chelsea"? On the converse if Pulis had Chelsea's players do you think he would play boring defensive football just for the sake of it? I think Pulis will play the quality of football he is  allowed to by budget peace gives him.

I guess if Pulis was at Chelsea you would point to Hodgson's reign at Liverpool.

I don't see what relevance of our players playing for Chelsea and Mourinho has anyway.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 25, 2015, 09:04:53 PM
I guess if Pulis was at Chelsea you would point to Hodgson's reign at Liverpool.

I don't see what relevance of our players playing for Chelsea and Mourinho has anyway.
Because I believe that Pulis plays the way he does at the moment because we have such poor players not just because he likes only to play that way. If he had better players we would play more exciting football Here's a diagram.

                           Good players   =   Good football   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:18:55 PM
Because I believe that Pulis plays the way he does at the moment because we have such poor players not just because he likes only to play that way. If he had better players we would play more exciting football Here's a diagram.

                           Good players   =   Good football

He had plenty of money at Stoke to adopt a more progressive style of football and he chose to ignore that so I don't hold much hope that our football will be any better next year. I remember him spending big money on the likes of Tuncay, Palacios, Maurice Edu and then abandoning them completely from the first team. If he does that here then we're going to be using and wasting valuable resources which are not on tap like he had from the Coates family.

I'm not naive, in the short term we're in need of a fire-fighter like Tony Pulis but I'm not sure our long term future is right in his hands. Providing we survive, I think we're going to have a lot of disgruntled fans next year complaining that they're bored stiff.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:25:53 PM
people said that that stoke couldn't play  good football with the players that tony had, but then mark hughes came in and made them better to watch and started winning games. with a lot lower budget than pulis had
Stoke did not start playing like this after 3 games it took months ask any Stoke fans .Hughes gradually brought in quality players and changed the style or ballanced it cause they still hoof it now and again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on January 25, 2015, 09:26:39 PM
He had plenty of money at Stoke to adopt a more progressive style of football and he chose to ignore that so I don't hold much hope that our football will be any better next year. I remember him spending big money on the likes of Tuncay, Palacios, Maurice Edu and then abandoning them completely from the first team. If he does that here then we're going to be using and wasting valuable resources which are not on tap like he had from the Coates family.

I'm not naive, in the short term we're in need of a fire-fighter like Tony Pulis but I'm not sure our long term future is right in his hands. Providing we survive, I think we're going to have a lot of disgruntled fans next year complaining that they're bored stiff.

I understand your point here but lets remember the Stoke squad he left was considerably better than the one he inherited, so I do think our squad will be improved over time. Also there were a few signings at Stoke that were 50-50, had they worked we would be sitting here saying he's a market genius. A textbook example is Jonathan Woodgate, a class player but injury riddled at Stoke. Similarly Michael Owen didn't work out, nothing to say it wouldn't have worked out like Lescott has here.

I would also state that the majority of his Palace signings are major parts of their current squad and make up the better part of the squad, players like Puncheon are of a decent footballing ability, so I think it is a little harsh to criticise him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smudger 2007 on January 25, 2015, 09:27:18 PM
Not sure whether style of play will get any better next season. But I feel he's just what we need now to stabilize us at the mo. I also think he talks sense every interview instead of In riddles like Irvine an Clarke used to. He's very honest and to the point which I refreshing in this day and age. The comments about anichebe were bang on he's still not fit and when or if he could be he could be double the handful he is now.never going to be prolific I know but could be a lot more useful and a foil for behrahino
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:31:35 PM
He had plenty of money at Stoke to adopt a more progressive style of football and he chose to ignore that so I don't hold much hope that our football will be any better next year. I remember him spending big money on the likes of Tuncay, Palacios, Maurice Edu and then abandoning them completely from the first team. If he does that here then we're going to be using and wasting valuable resources which are not on tap like he had from the Coates family.

I'm not naive, in the short term we're in need of a fire-fighter like Tony Pulis but I'm not sure our long term future is right in his hands. Providing we survive, I think we're going to have a lot of disgruntled fans next year complaining that they're bored stiff.
Crystal Palace played nothing like Stoke so i am hopeful when he gets the new players in the style will change
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:33:51 PM
I understand your point here but lets remember the Stoke squad he left was considerably better than the one he inherited, so I do think our squad will be improved over time. Also there were a few signings at Stoke that were 50-50, had they worked we would be sitting here saying he's a market genius. A textbook example is Jonathan Woodgate, a class player but injury riddled at Stoke. Similarly Michael Owen didn't work out, nothing to say it wouldn't have worked out like Lescott has here.

I would also state that the majority of his Palace signings are major parts of their current squad and make up the better part of the squad, players like Puncheon are of a decent footballing ability, so I think it is a little harsh to criticise him.

You could argue that his better signings were the least expensive ones. Generally he wasted an awful lot of money. He won't get such an open cheque book here.

I have no doubt that he will probably leave us in a better position than when he took us over - although our fanbase might be slightly disinterested by then - just like what happened at Stoke - but I hope at that point we're not a squad of average British plodders leaving a real conundrum for his future successor.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 25, 2015, 09:38:46 PM
Crystal Palace played nothing like Stoke so i am hopeful when he gets the new players in the style will change

Check out this post for an insight into Pulis at Crystal Palace which articulates my thoughts superbly

Seen quite a few comments floating around about how we should keep the faith with Pulis in regards to his playing style, and that Palace were anything from good to watch to one of the most attacking sides in the league last season.

I actually think on the pitch Pulis will do fine for us in terms of results (I have concerns about his impact off the pitch) but I think people are trying to kid themselves if they think Palace were some sort of attacking side last season, let alone a decent one. They had games where they played well, and games where they stunk the joint out much like most sides between 8th and 20th. But to say they were attacking is delusional in my opinion.

Im fully aware stats can be misleading, that they dont tell the whole story and I'd rather watch a game with my own eyes than rely on statistics. Also take in to account Pulis took over 11 games in. However some select stats below from last season

Goals scored 19th for the season
Goals scored from when Pulis took over 27 in 27 (would of been 18th averaged over the season, less than Villa and 5 less than us. They also scored 5 in the last 2, until then they were comfortably lowest scorers)
Goals from open play 19h
Short passes 20th
Shots per game 20th
Short pass accuracy 20th
Pass accuracy 20th
Possession 20th (the difference between Palace and West Ham in 19th was greater than the difference between 19th and 11th)

So maybe he's a manager who gets the ball wide, gets his wingers dribbling and gets crosses in to the box. Nothing wrong with that style, can be good to watch

Crosses per game 19th
Dribbles per game 13th (Albion, who we all realise have practically nobody who can dribble were 12th)
Attack left side of pitch 13th
Attack right side of pitch 10th
Attack centre of pitch 13th

So they didn't shift it wide and get the wingers running at full backs. Maybe they're a counter attacking side? They scored 2 goals on the counter all season.

Im not having a go at Pulis as such. Personally I found Mondays game almost unwatchable at times, god knows what a neutral would of thought but thats not our concern. However I appreciate theres many others on here who dont seem to care how we play as long as we stay up and thats fair enough. But can we cut the 'Palace were a good/great attacking side last season' especially after the abuse 90% of us were giving Stoke (rightly so) when Pulis was there.

As someone else said on the Ameobi thread, were going to see plenty more signings like him whilst Pulis is here. Its no surprise so far we've signed/signing Ameobi and sold Blanco and Varela even though the one thing we are crying out for is creativity and pace.

I have no problem with being hard to beat and our side defending very well but I do hope and pray that our performance against Everton was purely a one-off and not something that will become a regular occurrence throughout his tenure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on January 25, 2015, 09:42:56 PM
agree 100%

Agree, 95%

Why has Pulis got the liberty of playing the best football this squad can produce and others haven't?

Same negative defensive substitutions as AI, same squad (for now) and apart from playing badly and scraping draws instead of defeats and a 1-0 win, the football and playing staff performance is only slightly better down to Pulis' coaching. We all slated AI for results but why is it now suddenly 'Tony is working with a rubbish squad'?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on January 25, 2015, 09:44:28 PM
Crystal Palace played nothing like Stoke so i am hopeful when he gets the new players in the style will change
so the argument here is 6 months at a team where he had very little input into what players were there and was leaking goals like crazy that he taught how to defend at the cost of scoring even less goals that they already were (to the point of being the worst at it last year), compared to the team he personally and freely created over a 7 year period and is responsible for Stoke still bearing the label of a rugby team because of his tactics and preferred style during that time...

Now tell me, what makes you think that he will change the style he so meticulously built over years at Stoke when we are already nine tenths of the way there already? We already have a good defensive core (always have done) so it's offensively that we need to strengthen.. something Crystal Palace already had in place and nearly went completely down the pan due to Pulis' preferred defensive tactics.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 25, 2015, 10:16:28 PM
You could argue that his better signings were the least expensive ones. Generally he wasted an awful lot of money. He won't get such an open cheque book here.

I have no doubt that he will probably leave us in a better position than when he took us over - although our fanbase might be slightly disinterested by then - just like what happened at Stoke - but I hope at that point we're not a squad of average British plodders leaving a real conundrum for his future successor.
That's exactly what's going to happen
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: addy on January 25, 2015, 11:48:24 PM
"I would say he is just on to players a bit more. Nobody really gets away with anything now.

"If you're somebody who is willing to work hard, be professional and do it the right way then you'll fit in, and if not you haven't got much of a chance with him."
- Ben Foster on Tony Pulis

Interesting comments. Good read.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/foster-fired-up-by-brutal-regime-30936392.html
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on January 25, 2015, 11:49:09 PM
You could argue that his better signings were the least expensive ones. Generally he wasted an awful lot of money. He won't get such an open cheque book here.

I have no doubt that he will probably leave us in a better position than when he took us over - although our fanbase might be slightly disinterested by then - just like what happened at Stoke - but I hope at that point we're not a squad of average British plodders leaving a real conundrum for his future successor.

I agree with you in that his better signings were his cheaper ones, that being said it doesn't mean his more expensive ones won't work, I believe a 5 mil deal for McManaman is a decent deal. Despite the post which articulates your opinions on playing style at Palace, most Palace fans did not become disinterested, although the time period was shorter I admit.

We should remember that we didn't exactly play fantastic stuff under Megson or Hodgson yet both are fondly remembered. Indeed Hodgson mainly signed 'British plodders'.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 26, 2015, 08:26:58 AM
"I would say he is just on to players a bit more. Nobody really gets away with anything now.[/i]

"If you're somebody who is willing to work hard, be professional and do it the right way then you'll fit in, and if not you haven't got much of a chance with him."
- Ben Foster on Tony Pulis

Interesting comments. Good read.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/foster-fired-up-by-brutal-regime-30936392.html

The bit in bold for me, is the reason hes a much better manager to have in charge than AI.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 26, 2015, 10:04:11 AM
So Foster says TP is brutal and nobody gets away with anything now, is he trying to say it was cushy before he came in :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on January 26, 2015, 10:11:09 AM
So Foster says TP is brutal and nobody gets away with anything now, is he trying to say it was cushy before he came in :)
Does sound a bit like that.
Would also explain exclusions and exits. If they don't knuckle down and shape up they will be shipped out.
Was exactly what we needed IMO, but there is a risk that we may struggle to bring in more flair players as they may not be quite so keen on a 'Brutal' training regime. Some of the best players have been notoriously bad trainers. That being said, I would take a Kevin Phillips over a Berbatov all day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 26, 2015, 11:22:32 AM
Does sound a bit like that.
Would also explain exclusions and exits. If they don't knuckle down and shape up they will be shipped out.
Was exactly what we needed IMO, but there is a risk that we may struggle to bring in more flair players as they may not be quite so keen on a 'Brutal' training regime. Some of the best players have been notoriously bad trainers. That being said, I would take a Kevin Phillips over a Berbatov all day.

we can't afford luxury players. we don't need them either. loved this article. the squad actually being made to do a bit of work for their money. about forking time.

4 games unbeaten...loving that too
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 11:55:41 AM
Why does anyone remotely attacking have to be considered a luxury? I'd say match winner is a more appropriate term nd if you want to win games rather than not lose them it might be a good idea to have 1 or 2 knocking about instead of getting rid at them at the earliest opportunity. I'm also fed up of reading 'what so people want us to play like Barcelona on our budget do they?' as if you need £200m and the best academy in Europe to play attacking football. Plenty of teams all over Europe in our position (actually all outside the PL have a fraction of the revenue we have have) play decent football. Good football is a vague term and can be interpreted many ways by different people but you would struggle to find many who would enjoy watching us over the last month.

Some random thoughts

Pulis might keep us up, he might not but of all the available candidates he was the most likely bet to help us survive. I've not seen anyone critise Peace for the appointment and I dont think anyone can, he was the best man for the job the board wanted him to do.

Honestly that's the only positive I can think of, although admittedly a big one and for some people the only one.

However...

The style of football will almost certainly be unwatchable for a lot of people. Who knows what will happen but looking at his time at Stoke people who think he's going to change his ways now are basing it on nothing but hope. The facts suggest we can expect plenty of Dean Whitehead and Grant Leadbitter types arriving over the next few years whilst he is here.

There is very little change of us singing any exciting foreign types as he doesn't trust them. I suspect we will instead see the arrivals of solid Brits in there mid to late 20's and big name players on the way down/finished (Upson, Woodgate, Owen etc)

If your a foreign player with us now you may as well ask you agent to find you a new club. I genuinely don't believe his treatment of Pocognoli is based on anything other than his nationality. Gamboa is never getting to get a look in. Blanco and Varela were 2 of 3 playrs who offered anything different and both were gone effectively the second he came in. I'd genuinely be surprised if Sessegnon was with us next season.

We dont need to play 10-0-1 for the next 3 months to stay up. It's a way, but lets not pretend it's the only way. Teams have stayed up playing some sort of watchable football before.

For those who say he's tied at the moment by what he has, look at the team he left at Stoke after 7 years and lvish spending. He doesnt want anything else. When he arrived he could of easily fielded a side of 
Foster
Gamboa
Dawson
Olsson
Pocognoli
Mulumbu
Yacob
Varela
Blanco/Morrison
Sessegnon
Berahino

He had options, he didnt want them. Were not playing the way we are because we have no choice, it'd because Pulis wants us to

Any promising youth players chances of making the first team squad have likely reduced since Pulis came in. He's a results man (which I cant really blame him for) and wont be looking to promote someone like Nabi when he could just play someone else out of position.

We will almost certainly line up with 4 centre backs as our back line at some point soon. Wouldn't be at all surprised if Olsson or Lescott was our left back for the remainder of the season if he doesn't stick with Baird.

He will demand money every window no matter how much he's already spent (wasted?). Our recruitment policy needing changing but it's still the right policy in my opinion, just the wrong people doing it. Handing him control is a really poor and outdated move (I'm sure it will still be Peaces fault when it doesn't work though)

Palace did not play attacking football. I don't think it was as bad as Stoke from what I saw but it wasn't attacking. The difference is Palace expectations were different to ours so they perceived it differently. When Stoke came up they nearly all loved Pulis. When he left most thanked him for the job but agreed it was time to go. Pulis style and Stokes results barely changed in all that time, but the Stoke fans exceptions did and so did their perceptions on his style. We are much nearer Stoke when he left than Palace when he joined.

It's not his toughest job in football. I really don't think keeping us up is that bigger challenge. We've done it before with much worse sides, in much worse positions with much worse managers. There some utter dross down there and managed correctly I wouldn't put us in the dross category. We have been awful for 2 years, badly managed on and off the pitch and still stayed out of the relegation zone. I actually liked Irvine in a way but he wasn't anywhere near good enough, yet he still kept us out of the bottom 3. I'm sure people will say we were only heading 1 way but so are all the other teams down there and we cant all go down.

In short,

Will he keep us up? Yes
Will it be enjoyable? No

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 26, 2015, 12:09:41 PM
Pretty much spot on with my thoughts.

Don't understand why we can't be solid without the ball but actually have some creativity and poise when we have it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mr Cynical on January 26, 2015, 12:18:06 PM
What our problem has been is that we have had no semblance of style or direction ever since Hodgson left. We've been a totally mis-match and our recruitment has reflected that often signing players who are polar opposites. With Pulis, we know what we're going to get but despite the deficiencies in this squad they are far more capable of getting points rather than resorting to some out-dated, ancient methods of throwing 11 men behind the ball and offering nothing in any attacking sense as we saw recently at Goodison.

Completely agree with this.  No one has managed recruitment with a team (on the pitch) in mind.  That's how we end up with a team with no pace, only 1 good free-kick taker in the squad and insufficient tall players to defend corners/set pieces.

I don't want to end up with a 'British' only squad and mentality, but I'm happy with the spine of the team having that understanding of the PL.

Would like to see more expansive football, but at the moment its got to be results first approach.  If we survive, then I want to see us move on from such a rigid approach.

How many times did Pulis's teams come to the Hawthorns win and keep a clean sheet.  Almost always (in my recollection at least) in his Stoke and Palace days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 26, 2015, 12:27:12 PM
Whilst I agree with some of the above points, I dont agree with the british comment, and not playing Poco because hes not british/Sess being moved on because hes not british.

I had a look at the regular Palace team picked by him last season:

01 Speroni
03 Mariappa
02 Ward
08 Dikgacoi 
06 Dann
27 Delaney
13 Puncheon
15 Jedinak 29 Chamakh
28 Ledley
07 Bolasie

Ive higlighted the non british players in the line up, thats half the team, that to me suggests he does play foreign players, but only if he deems them good enough.

You cant accuse him of shipping Varela and Blanco out because of nationality, none of us on here know if Blanco is any good, im guessing 90% of us fans didnt even know who he was when he was signed, but the element of him being unknown, and reading a bit about him being creative, got everyones hopes up, but he might genuinly not be good enough.

Samaras is another player, hes only got a couple years left in him, we have read before Celtic fans saying hes a big game player, and at times doesnt look interested, if he didnt look interested in training, then TP wont be interested in him. (See Fosters recent comments about commitment).

I just find it very confusing how, alot of fans on here wanted a change in policies, wanted a 'manager', wanted someone like TP to come in and take no rubbish, but now we have that, some people are questioning the football and the players we are being linked with.

Football regardless of what anyone says, is a results business, and since Pulis has been in charge, we are unbeaten.

Thats good enough for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skalbaggie on January 26, 2015, 12:36:00 PM
Agree with the nationality thing. If I remember correctly then Pulis was a bit criticized for not playing Barry Bannan, Dwight Gayle and Jonny Williams. Those are all british players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 26, 2015, 12:47:22 PM
For me it's not nationality with Pulis , it's more physical strength ...i well remember Fuller taking us apart!.
Loved TP's comments about Anichebe's fitness .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
Just to pick up on some of Astle1968's points without quoting the whole lot of it again.

Firstly, he mentions that there is a lot of dross down there and not all of them can go down. Fair enough you might think but Burnley,Leicester,QPR,Hull and Crystal Palace are hardly established Premier League clubs are they. You would EXPECT them to struggle. I would have thought after a comparatively long time now in this division, we could expect ourselves to be bedded in and comfortable with the league or at least show signs of steady progression and improvement. This hasn't been the case. We have drifted,even gone backwards and I firmly believe we were heading for the drop. Mowbray tried to play attacking football in the Championship but we soon found that didn't work with the players we had in the Premier League. Teams were happy for us to keep possession amongst the back four and in the middle of the park, knowing we couldn't penetrate well organised defences.

Secondly, I would argue that winning football matches is very enjoyable. I for one would sooner be watching a side picking up points and progressing in the cup than one where I knew we were likely to get beat before the ref blew for kick off.

Nothing else has worked has it in terms of recruiting attack minded 'creative' players over the years? Like I said in the first paragraph, if we had been steadily improving and progressing year on year, I could understand people's scepticism with TP's style but we haven't. We've been going backwards for the last 2 years with players that just have 'Championship level' written all over them.

If all Pulis actually does is to get a winning mentality at the club and improved attitudes and commitment from players then it will be good enough for me. So what if he prefers to buy British players? Good for him I say. It's a shame every single manage in the country doesn't feel the same way. England might actually have a chance of winning a tournament at some point in the future if English clubs stopped this nonsense of bringing second rate/average foreign players in. On top of that we would see increased levels of passion and effort which is what fans of any club want to see from their players. It costs a bloody lot of money now to watch some johnny foreigner strolling around the field without actually giving a monkey's for the club he is supposedly representing. Our scouting structure has Director of scouting for Europe, head of scouting in Outer Mongolia, assistant chief scout for the Moon and Mars, etc. What's wrong with a bloke going out to the local dog **** ridden park on a Sunday with a flask of tea and a notepad? Where do you think Man Utd found Beckham,Giggs, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, etc? It wasn't from a jumped up Head of Scouting watching video's from Timbuktoo was it? I bet if we actually bothered, we could find a squad of 30 young players from the West Midlands who given the right coaching and nurturing would eventually be good enough to play at this level.

Pulis with his methods and attitude to the game is absolutely spot on in my opinion. OK, so he doesn't sit comfortably in this trendy modern world of foreign coaches,owners,etc, but why on earth in God's name would we want that? Back to basics is the way forward in every sense. When Sky pull the plug which they almost certainly will do with all this live streaming now available, you watch who the better off clubs will be then.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 12:50:08 PM
Agree with the nationality thing. If I remember correctly then Pulis was a bit criticized for not playing Barry Bannan, Dwight Gayle and Jonny Williams. Those are all british players.

Have a look at the squad he left at Stoke as better idea of what his teams are like when he makes his mark on them. 5 non Brits (counting Ireland as British for the sake of this argument) who made more than 10 appearances in the season and 3 of those came through 'British' systems in Begovic, Huth and Jones who had never played outside of England, you could just as easily call them British in a football sense.

Of the other 2 one had been playing in the PL for 3 years (N'Zonzi) and the other (Cameron came the States and and English speaking country)

Of all the players in that squad who played over 5 games only Cameron wasn't signed from a British side (and he came from an English speaking country). That's a remarkable stat in todays game

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mister AT on January 26, 2015, 12:58:53 PM
Have a look at the squad he left at Stoke as better idea of what his teams are like when he makes his mark on them. 5 non Brits (counting Ireland as British for the sake of this argument) who made more than 10 appearances in the season and 3 of those came through 'British' systems in Begovic, Huth and Jones who had never played outside of England, you could just as easily call them British in a football sense.

Of the other 2 one had been playing in the PL for 3 years (N'Zonzi) and the other (Cameron came the States and and English speaking country)

Of all the players in that squad who played over 5 games only Cameron wasn't signed from a British side (and he came from an English speaking country). That's a remarkable stat in todays game

And yet that team came to the Hawthorns every year and picked up 3 points off us.

I couldnt give a monkeys were the players are from as long as they go on that point and do everything they can to try and do the best they can for WBA.

If they are from Swindon or South Africa I couldnt care less, all I want is the best for WBA.

Its a results business and regardless of what people think about Pulis tactis, he knows how to get results.

Ill take 1-0 wins with no flair and a solid performance, over losing 2-0 but we played some good stuff, every day of the week.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 26, 2015, 01:03:57 PM
Have a look at the squad he left at Stoke as better idea of what his teams are like when he makes his mark on them. 5 non Brits (counting Ireland as British for the sake of this argument) who made more than 10 appearances in the season and 3 of those came through 'British' systems in Begovic, Huth and Jones who had never played outside of England, you could just as easily call them British in a football sense.

Of the other 2 one had been playing in the PL for 3 years (N'Zonzi) and the other (Cameron came the States and and English speaking country)

Of all the players in that squad who played over 5 games only Cameron wasn't signed from a British side (and he came from an English speaking country). That's a remarkable stat in todays game

Weren't we very similar under Hodgson? Look at the mainstay of his side. Predominately British and even most of the foreign ones had been playing in England for some time prior.

Foster
Jones
Shorey
Ridgewell
McAuley
Thomas
Dorrans
Brunt
Morrison
Andrews
Long
Cox

Gera
Scharner
Olsson
Mulumbu
Odemwingie
Fortune

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 26, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
Ill take 1-0 wins with no flair and a solid performance, over losing 2-0 but we played some good stuff, every day of the week.
Other results, and ways of achieving them, are possible.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 26, 2015, 01:11:48 PM
Andrews Long Cox

Oh how we laughed back then !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
Just to pick up on some of Astle1968's points without quoting the whole lot of it again.

Firstly, he mentions that there is a lot of dross down there and not all of them can go down. Fair enough you might think but Burnley,Leicester,QPR,Hull and Crystal Palace are hardly established Premier League clubs are they. You would EXPECT them to struggle. I would have thought after a comparatively long time now in this division, we could expect ourselves to be bedded in and comfortable with the league or at least show signs of steady progression and improvement. This hasn't been the case. We have drifted,even gone backwards and I firmly believe we were heading for the drop. Mowbray tried to play attacking football in the Championship but we soon found that didn't work with the players we had in the Premier League. Teams were happy for us to keep possession amongst the back four and in the middle of the park, knowing we couldn't penetrate well organised defences.

Secondly, I would argue that winning football matches is very enjoyable. I for one would sooner be watching a side picking up points and progressing in the cup than one where I knew we were likely to get beat before the ref blew for kick off.

Nothing else has worked has it in terms of recruiting attack minded 'creative' players over the years? Like I said in the first paragraph, if we had been steadily improving and progressing year on year, I could understand people's scepticism with TP's style but we haven't. We've been going backwards for the last 2 years with players that just have 'Championship level' written all over them.

If all Pulis actually does is to get a winning mentality at the club and improved attitudes and commitment from players then it will be good enough for me. So what if he prefers to buy British players? Good for him I say. It's a shame every single manage in the country doesn't feel the same way. England might actually have a chance of winning a tournament at some point in the future if English clubs stopped this nonsense of bringing second rate/average foreign players in. On top of that we would see increased levels of passion and effort which is what fans of any club want to see from their players. It costs a bloody lot of money now to watch some johnny foreigner strolling around the field without actually giving a monkey's for the club he is supposedly representing. Our scouting structure has Director of scouting for Europe, head of scouting in Outer Mongolia, assistant chief scout for the Moon and Mars, etc. What's wrong with a bloke going out to the local dog **** ridden park on a Sunday with a flask of tea and a notepad? Where do you think Man Utd found Beckham,Giggs, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, etc? It wasn't from a jumped up Head of Scouting watching video's from Timbuktoo was it? I bet if we actually bothered, we could find a squad of 30 young players from the West Midlands who given the right coaching and nurturing would eventually be good enough to play at this level.

Pulis with his methods and attitude to the game is absolutely spot on in my opinion. OK, so he doesn't sit comfortably in this trendy modern world of foreign coaches,owners,etc, but why on earth in God's name would we want that? Back to basics is the way forward in every sense. When Sky pull the plug which they almost certainly will do with all this live streaming now available, you watch who the better off clubs will be then.

OK

'Firstly, he mentions that there is a lot of dross down there and not all of them can go down. Fair enough you might think but Burnley,Leicester,QPR,Hull and Crystal Palace are hardly established Premier League clubs are they'

That's no the point I made though, my point was made that it was hardly a certainty that we were going down even if AI were left in charge, let alone if someone half decent was appointed.

Mowbray tried to play attacking football in the Championship but we soon found that didn't work with the players we had in the Premier League. Teams were happy for us to keep possession amongst the back four and in the middle of the park, knowing we couldn't penetrate well organised defences.

So the only possible way we can stay up is by going 'all out defence' and the only type of attacking football we could possibly play is to copy what Mowbray did?

So what if he prefers to buy British players? Good for him I say. It's a shame every single manage in the country doesn't feel the same way. England might actually have a chance of winning a tournament at some point in the future if English clubs stopped this nonsense of bringing second rate/average foreign players in. On top of that we would see increased levels of passion and effort which is what fans of any club want to see from their players. It costs a bloody lot of money now to watch some johnny foreigner strolling around the field without actually giving a monkey's for the club he is supposedly representing. Our scouting structure has Director of scouting for Europe, head of scouting in Outer Mongolia, assistant chief scout for the Moon and Mars, etc. What's wrong with a bloke going out to the local dog **** ridden park on a Sunday with a flask of tea and a notepad? Where do you think Man Utd found Beckham,Giggs, Scholes, Butt, the Neville brothers, etc? It wasn't from a jumped up Head of Scouting watching video's from Timbuktoo was it? I bet if we actually bothered, we could find a squad of 30 young players from the West Midlands who given the right coaching and nurturing would eventually be good enough to play at this level.

Don't really know where to start with that. It's a different conversation but for me there's so much in their which is exactly why England are so sh*t. This small minded mentality that everything British is best and suspicious of 'johnny foreigners' as you put it. British = try hard and foreign = fancy dan and a luxory. Send Pulis your CV you'd probably fit in well with his structure. How well do you think England would do if they played against players Like Mark Noble and Craig Gardner every week in big games. Or maybe playing against and training with players like Hazard, Silva, Di Maria, Aguero each week makes them better players as a result.

It's a global game and if we restrict ourselves to the UK only market (or 30 miles of West Bromwich if we could actually be bothered to do any work as you hilariously put it) then we are missing out on numerous top players who if they were British and the same level of ability would cost 5 times as much.

If all Pulis actually does is to get a winning mentality

Pulis doesn't have a winning mentality. He has a dont lose mentality. He's played 3 league games and won 1 (due to a stupid piece of Hull defending and a deflected free kick). We've scored 2 goals in 3 games. In those 3 games we have had 6 shots on target (and it's not like we were playing Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal in those games)

Pulis is not, and never has been a winner. He's a scrapper, a fighter and hard working, all admirable traits, but his mentality is to not lose. he would happily take 38 0-0's and survival at the start of each season. Happy to be proved wrong but to my knowledge he has never won a trophy in 20+ years of management. He simply isn't a winner

If people are happy to take what Pulis serves us as long as it keeps us up then they are more than entitled to. It's not something I agree with but it's something I can understand. However can we stop kidding ourselves about what Pulis is going to bring to the club, and that it's the only option he has.

Personally I go to football to enjoy it, not to win. It just happens that 99% of the time winning is something very enjoyable that makes me happy and as a result I like winning. If we're contesting our 20th 0-0 of the season with Wycombe in league 2 I'll still have the exact same feeling towards the club as I do now, so results are not the be all and end all for me. Naturally I hope we win more than we lose but does anyone really care that much in the scheme of things if we finish 16th or 11th? So if not lets at least try and make it slightly entertaining in the process.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 26, 2015, 01:21:13 PM
for the record i'm totally in agreement with this.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Mat15(MH) on January 26, 2015, 01:33:14 PM
Got to say, I think the one criticism of Pulis that is harsh is that he doesn't bring through young players.

Was there really anyone from the Stoke academy who was knocking the doors down? Like the Stoke fans who came on here said, about the best young player they produced is Ryan Shotton who is now second choice at a Championship side. Andy Wilkinson is another youth product, and he's an incredibly average footballer.

He picked up Shawcross as a young player from Man United and gave him the captaincy at a young age, and he's developed into a solid Premier League centre half. Got Marc Wilson from Pompey at a young age and again gave him plenty of game time, turned him into a decent Premier League player.Hardly someone who doesn't trust young players?

He was at Palace for 6 months, so think it's totally unrealistic to expect him to bring through a series of young players, especially with the predicament they found themselves in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
I agree with this to an extenrt. Similar to how we always critised managers for not bringing through young players and then none of managed even decent Championship careers after they left us.

Saying that, if he has the option of bringing through Nabi by playing him wide of a forward 3, or pushing Craig Gardner out to RW I'm pretty confident of guessing his action now. He just doesn't strike me as someone who has any interest in nurturing and developing young talent when he could sign a Shola Ameobi instead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on January 26, 2015, 02:54:19 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 26, 2015, 02:59:28 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)
It's no coincidence that with the exception of Manchester United, the teams who play long ball are the teams at the bottom of the table.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 26, 2015, 03:00:44 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)

Tried to find this stat before Christmas after I saw it on Sky Sports at the time, well before the Pulis era began
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 03:32:09 PM
I find it interesting reading this thread how expectations change, when Hodgson came in we wanted results and people were happy with his brand of football, even today he is spoken of in high regard.

We've been in the league a few years longer and find ourselves in a similar position; now turning to Pulis. In terms of style I think they are VERY similar. However, already people are saying how ugly Pulis's football is, whilst Hodgson got a much better time with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 03:55:43 PM
Some interesting Premier League long ball statistics for this season linked below.

http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3 (http://tinyurl.com/l5krqx3)

On the Albion stats it works out to over 72 long balls per game....... seems a lot doesn't it? unless I've read it wrong  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 04:18:19 PM
I find it interesting reading this thread how expectations change, when Hodgson came in we wanted results and people were happy with his brand of football, even today he is spoken of in high regard.

We've been in the league a few years longer and find ourselves in a similar position; now turning to Pulis. In terms of style I think they are VERY similar. However, already people are saying how ugly Pulis's football is, whilst Hodgson got a much better time with it.

I really think people are in for shock with Pulis 'style', especially if they think it's like Hodgsons.

Some stats from the 11/12 season

Possession
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th

Pass completion
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Shots per game
Albion 7th  Stoke 20th

Shots on target
Albion 8th  Stoke 20th (2.5 per game, sound familiar?)

Dribbles per game
Albion 10th  Stoke 19th

Long balls per game
Albion 18th  Stoke 4th

Short balls per game
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Counter attacking goals
Albion 8th  Stoke 18th

Goals scored
Albion 10th  Stoke 20th

Goals from open play
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th (14 goals from open play all season! Just better than 1 goal every 3 games)


Under Hodgson we were not 'pretty' but we changed our approach depending on who we faced. We were not a long ball side and we created plenty going forward. I think some people think this is what Pulis brings and as much as I hope they are right I see no evidence that he does. Unless he's going to change his ways he brings exactly what we have seen from him so far. Hodgson was not gung ho, he wasn't even attacking but it was good balanced football, something I'm sure the vast majority would be happy with. Pulis' football isn't balanced. It's dreary, it's dull and it's awful to watch.

Most interesting stat

Goals conceded
Albion 52  Stoke 53

Pulis way is not the only way! It's not the only way to keep us up, it's not the only way teams like us can survive and it's certainly not the only option he has at his disposal. He plays this way because he wants to, hence why Varela and Blanco were gone the second he came in

(For those who dont care about the performance and just the result - Albion 10th, Stoke 14th. Since we came back up under RDM Pulis's Stoke never finished above us in the league)


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on January 26, 2015, 04:24:58 PM
Fascinating stats, Astle1968, thanks for posting them. Given that they were so dire in so many respects, you have to be surprised that Stoke stayed up that season! 14 goals all season from open play is absolutely shocking. I'm concerned about what lies in store for us, as you've thoughtfully and persuasively conveyed in your various posts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:29:32 PM
Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 04:33:11 PM
I really think people are in for shock with Pulis 'style', especially if they think it's like Hodgsons.

Some stats from the 11/12 season

Possession
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th

Pass completion
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Shots per game
Albion 7th  Stoke 20th

Shots on target
Albion 8th  Stoke 20th (2.5 per game, sound familiar?)

Dribbles per game
Albion 10th  Stoke 19th

Long balls per game
Albion 18th  Stoke 4th

Short balls per game
Albion 11th  Stoke 20th

Counter attacking goals
Albion 8th  Stoke 18th

Goals scored
Albion 10th  Stoke 20th

Goals from open play
Albion 15th  Stoke 20th (14 goals from open play all season! Just better than 1 goal every 3 games)


Under Hodgson we were not 'pretty' but we changed our approach depending on who we faced. We were not a long ball side and we created plenty going forward. I think some people think this is what Pulis brings and as much as I hope they are right I see no evidence that he does. Unless he's going to change his ways he brings exactly what we have seen from him so far. Hodgson was not gung ho, he wasn't even attacking but it was good balanced football, something I'm sure the vast majority would be happy with. Pulis' football isn't balanced. It's dreary, it's dull and it's awful to watch.

Most interesting stat

Goals conceded
Albion 52  Stoke 53

Pulis way is not the only way! It's not the only way to keep us up, it's not the only way teams like us can survive and it's certainly not the only option he has at his disposal. He plays this way because he wants to, hence why Varela and Blanco were gone the second he came in

(For those who dont care about the performance and just the result - Albion 10th, Stoke 14th. Since we came back up under RDM Pulis's Stoke never finished above us in the league)

Some will tell you (& I agree to an extent) that stats can be used to suit any agenda, however, in this case I would have to say that, if correct, those statistics should act as an alarming eye opener for those who think everything is rosy in the garden now that Pulis is in charge.  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 04:39:37 PM
Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat.

I think if you read Astle1968's previous post's you'll realise that like most of us he agree's that TP is probably the right man for the job 'at this moment in time', also like many of us he has no agenda against Pulis but is merely expressing his fears for the long term quality (or lack there of) & style of football we are going to be playing for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skalbaggie on January 26, 2015, 04:45:24 PM
What "entertaining football" is, is a personal opinion. I find stereotypical british football more entertaining than spanish sideway passing football with loads of dives. I would love if we started with long throw ins and many dirty tackles. Teams should fear us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 04:47:47 PM
Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat.


Right it's not an agenda, it's an opinion. It's a forum. Probably the best place for me to share them unless you suggest I get a seat behind the dugout and shout them at him all game. Or we try to organise marches and boycotts and spend most of his time here booing/mocking him like we did with the last guy? Whilst he's our manager he will have my full support whenever I am at the ground, as I hope any manager would.


Nobody is disagreeing with your comment I have bolded. The argument is whether it will be near unwatchable for many of us. Sadly although it probably wont stop the majority of us from watching theres a good chance it will be. If staying up is all that matters for you then brilliant, we've got an ideal man in charge for you and your going to love the next few years if he is still here.

The discussion I'm having is about his style and what we can expect. These stats are not twisted or manipulated, they are facts about the way his sides play. The dont keep the ball, they dont pass the ball, they don't create chances, they don't score goals. Look at the stats from any season he was at Stoke or Palace, they will all tell you the same thing.

Little challenge for you if stats are so easy to manipulate to fit the point you want to make, go and find me some facts that show what brilliant, easy on the eye attractive football he gets his teams playing?

I'll say again, nobody (that I have seen anyway, and certainly not me) is questioning his appointment. Nobody is criticising his appointment. Nobody is doubting he is probably the best man to keep us. What we are discussing (on a forum of all things) is the style of play he will bring with him which if his history is anything to go by is going to polarise opinion whilst he is here. If you don't like it then probably best you stay off here for a while because I imagine this conversation is going to be ongoing for the majority of the time he is here. I also suspect that a large number of people who are happy at the moment wont be so happy in 2 years time and were highly critical of him during his time at Stoke.

I would absolutely love to be proven wrong, but all I can see at the moment is 2/3 years of going to Sunderland and Palace is playing for a point whilst trying to out hoof smaller teams at home. I also think (sadly from a pure football point of view but decent from a Albion view) it will probably be enough to keep us up. As I say if you've got any of these easy to prove stats to hand that can put my mind at rest I would love to see them.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:48:31 PM
If the Albion were sat comfortably in mid table when the appointment was made it would be a different scenario. Firstly, there wouldn't have been a need to make a change in the first place. The fact is though that we were a sinking ship,desperately going down hill rapidly,heading straight for relegation. JP knew this and had to act, he couldn't wait for another Pepe Mel situation and give it until the end of January to scour the market for the best man for the job. He had to act straight away. There was one man and one man only who was available to fit the bill and who JP knew that we could rely on to turn things around. That man was Tony Pulis. We are not in a position to daydream about flowing football and marvellous individual technique. We were/are in the **** in needed instant results. In the ideal world, of course we would like to see us get results with the most attractive entertaining football possible but unfortunately we don't live in the ideal world do we. Unless we had 6 months grace from the threat of relegation to achieve this, it was never going to be possible. Tony Pulis will keep us up,that is the whole point of his appointment. We can reassess and move on from there should we wish to do so at a later date.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 26, 2015, 04:49:15 PM
Yet another Astle1968 post which I thoroughly agree with, backed up by logical explanations and solid evidence. Anyone who tries to disagree with anything you say there obviously has an agenda and will refuse to change their views no matter what the evidence suggests.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on January 26, 2015, 04:52:29 PM
I don't think anyone expects pretty football but to be honest we haven't had that for a while, we've had a lot of pretty little passes getting nowhere.

What we will get is a solid foundation which is something we have lacked for a long while and we will have players earning money instead of trotting around looking busy as we have also had for a while.

Pulis is not the man for the long term and I don't think anyone truly expects him to be but hopefully when he goes he will leave us in a better state than he found us making it easier for the next man to take us forward unless the club then decide to go back to the untried/ untested we have been taking on for the past couple of years. If they do then we will be back to square one again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 04:54:03 PM
Yet another Astle1968 post which I thoroughly agree with, backed up by logical explanations and solid evidence. Anyone who tries to disagree with anything you say there obviously has an agenda and will refuse to change their views no matter what the evidence suggests.

It's all about opinions and that's what makes football the great game that it is. The world would be a boring place if we all had to toe the line and agree with everything that is said. Nobody has been abusive or malicious on this thread, it's just a good healthy,articulate debate with a difference of opinions, exactly what a forum like this should be for.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 05:05:39 PM
If the Albion were sat comfortably in mid table when the appointment was made it would be a different scenario. Firstly, there wouldn't have been a need to make a change in the first place. The fact is though that we were a sinking ship,desperately going down hill rapidly,heading straight for relegation. JP knew this and had to act, he couldn't wait for another Pepe Mel situation and give it until the end of January to scour the market for the best man for the job. He had to act straight away. There was one man and one man only who was available to fit the bill and who JP knew that we could rely on to turn things around. That man was Tony Pulis. We are not in a position to daydream about flowing football and marvellous individual technique. We were/are in the **** in needed instant results. In the ideal world, of course we would like to see us get results with the most attractive entertaining football possible but unfortunately we don't live in the ideal world do we. Unless we had 6 months grace from the threat of relegation to achieve this, it was never going to be possible. Tony Pulis will keep us up,that is the whole point of his appointment. We can reassess and move on from there should we wish to do so at a later date.

I absolutely agree with everything you've said there apart from the bolded bit. My hope is Pulis keeps us up this year, consolidates next year and then laves for someone to come in and take us forward a bit more. My fear is Peace will (and he has every right to in his position) see Pulis as someone who can almost guarantee survival each season and stick with him long term.

The only thing I would slightly disagree with is that good football needs to be a daydream. Nobody would say Southampton are a defensive side, in fact they are one of the sides I like to watch most as a neutral but yet they have the best defence in the league. Plying decent football and defending are not mutually exclusive, just as playing decent football and lack of money, or decent football and staying up are not either.

Southampton were heading down with Atkins, they could easily have done what we did and gone for a safe pair of hands, but they took a bold move and went for Pochetino who played a high tempo pressing game. Now you can argue they were newly promoted, had less to lose by going down and could afford the gamble (you could also argue we tried something similar with Mel and made a right mess of it) but look at where they are now. I know it's not a perfect comparison but do you see us getting close to that with Pulis in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 26, 2015, 05:07:55 PM
It's all about opinions and that's what makes football the great game that it is. The world would be a boring place if we all had to toe the line and agree with everything that is said. Nobody has been abusive or malicious on this thread, it's just a good healthy,articulate debate with a difference of opinions, exactly what a forum like this should be for.
Just to be clear, my post wasn't aimed at you, you didn't seem to be disagreeing with Astle's points anyway. It was aimed at people claiming Pulis' style is the same as Hodgson's, or that Pulis' style is the only way to win games- there's no evidence for either of those things.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 05:10:39 PM
It's all about opinions and that's what makes football the great game that it is. The world would be a boring place if we all had to toe the line and agree with everything that is said. Nobody has been abusive or malicious on this thread, it's just a good healthy,articulate debate with a difference of opinions, exactly what a forum like this should be for.

In all fairness this is a good post Nathan but maybe for future reference you should try to understand what a poster is trying to relay on here without attempting to belittle their post & accuse them of manipulating statistics, not everyone has an agenda.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 26, 2015, 05:12:21 PM
I absolutely agree with everything you've said there apart from the bolded bit. My hope is Pulis keeps us up this year, consolidates next year and then laves for someone to come in and take us forward a bit more. My fear is Peace will (and he has every right to in his position) see Pulis as someone who can almost guarantee survival each season and stick with him long term.

The only thing I would slightly disagree with is that good football needs to be a daydream. Nobody would say Southampton are a defensive side, in fact they are one of the sides I like to watch most as a neutral but yet they have the best defence in the league. Plying decent football and defending are not mutually exclusive, just as playing decent football and lack of money, or decent football and staying up are not either.

Southampton were heading down with Atkins, they could easily have done what we did and gone for a safe pair of hands, but they took a bold move and went for Pochetino who played a high tempo pressing game. Now you can argue they were newly promoted, had less to lose by going down and could afford the gamble (you could also argue we tried something similar with Mel and made a right mess of it) but look at where they are now. I know it's not a perfect comparison but do you see us getting close to that with Pulis in charge.

let's give Pulis a chance. 4 games 0 losses. Good enough for me at the moment. let's see what happens in the next 12 months, you never know he might surprise a few people.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:17:33 PM
I absolutely agree with everything you've said there apart from the bolded bit. My hope is Pulis keeps us up this year, consolidates next year and then laves for someone to come in and take us forward a bit more. My fear is Peace will (and he has every right to in his position) see Pulis as someone who can almost guarantee survival each season and stick with him long term.

The only thing I would slightly disagree with is that good football needs to be a daydream. Nobody would say Southampton are a defensive side, in fact they are one of the sides I like to watch most as a neutral but yet they have the best defence in the league. Plying decent football and defending are not mutually exclusive, just as playing decent football and lack of money, or decent football and staying up are not either.

Southampton were heading down with Atkins, they could easily have done what we did and gone for a safe pair of hands, but they took a bold move and went for Pochetino who played a high tempo pressing game. Now you can argue they were newly promoted, had less to lose by going down and could afford the gamble (you could also argue we tried something similar with Mel and made a right mess of it) but look at where they are now. I know it's not a perfect comparison but do you see us getting close to that with Pulis in charge.

I totally agree, I would love to see us playing like Southampton, and as you rightly say, they were in a similar predicament to ourselves when they made a change. I don't know how long Ponchetino had been on their radar for, I'd imagine he must have been in the back of the Southampton director's minds for some time for them to make what appeared to be a quite random appointment. I guess JP didn't have such a back up plan lined up and like I said in my previous post, we didn't have the luxury of time on our side to find a replacement who could play more along the lines of the way Southampton do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Tipton Baggie on January 26, 2015, 05:21:19 PM
Who cares how we are playing we're getting results. Everyone was craving for stability under the clown show and now we've got it people are still nit picking on who plays what style.

Petty. You cant win
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:24:45 PM
In all fairness this is a good post Nathan but maybe for future reference you should try to understand what a poster is trying to relay on here without attempting to belittle their post & accuse them of manipulating statistics, not everyone has an agenda.

I was in no way trying to belittle Astle1968's posts,I even said it was good articulate,healthy debate. I always enjoy reading Astle1968's posts,as he says himself, it is exactly what a forum should be for. I should have used the word 'opinion' rather than 'agenda', I grant you that. I fully appreciate what Astle1968 is saying, I was just offering another opinion and other thoughts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 26, 2015, 05:27:43 PM
I totally agree, I would love to see us playing like Southampton, and as you rightly say, they were in a similar predicament to ourselves when they made a change. I don't know how long Ponchetino had been on their radar for, I'd imagine he must have been in the back of the Southampton director's minds for some time for them to make what appeared to be a quite random appointment. I guess JP didn't have such a back up plan lined up and like I said in my previous post, we didn't have the luxury of time on our side to find a replacement who could play more along the lines of the way Southampton do.

Southampton have bought some top quality players to go with the ones they already had over the last couple of years. They have bought them in to fit the system whereas we seem to bring in 'squad fillers' with no real idea or plan of how to use them. There is no way on earth that the squad we currently have could play a similar style and get results. The players just aren't good enough.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on January 26, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
I will keep repeating myself until I get an answer, but why on earth can't there be a compromise?! (Really struggling not to get angry about this!)

We need points and results. Forgive me if I'm wrong but we haven't been lower than 17th this season - we're not 6 points adrift or anything daft like that? Right? But it's bloody tight down there, and we can't afford to let ourselves be complacent, and that's something Pulis won't let us be. I think most people now expect us to now stay up.

The reason I keep smashing my head on my desk when reading this thread is that there seems to be a defence of Pulis that because he will keep us up, his way is the only way, and that those clamouring for better football are wishing us to play Spanish style tika-taka!

Of course we're not!

We're not asking for 30 passes before a backheel-ed rabona cross for Berahino to take on his chest and bicycle kick into the next, which I feel is what some people are trying to make out as being the only alternative to Pulis-ball.

I have to say the goal we scored against West Ham is the kind of goal I want to see - counter-attacking with pace. And we had/have the players to do that (Gamboa, Sessegnon, Varela, Berahino), but it seems we're not going down that route.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 26, 2015, 05:32:37 PM
Southampton are as solid as they come. That's why so many people are looking at them as the current blueprint.

Schneiderlin and Wanyama do what Mulumbu and Yacob did during the Hodgson era. If one goes forward the other has no intention of moving from his defensive position. They also work very hard off the ball. Sprinting back to help the full backs when the opposition counter.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on January 26, 2015, 05:39:31 PM
I will keep repeating myself until I get an answer, but why on earth can't there be a compromise?! (Really struggling not to get angry about this!)

We need points and results. Forgive me if I'm wrong but we haven't been lower than 17th this season - we're not 6 points adrift or anything daft like that? Right? But it's bloody tight down there, and we can't afford to let ourselves be complacent, and that's something Pulis won't let us be. I think most people now expect us to now stay up.

The reason I keep smashing my head on my desk when reading this thread is that there seems to be a defence of Pulis that because he will keep us up, his way is the only way, and that those clamouring for better football are wishing us to play Spanish style tika-taka!

Of course we're not!

We're not asking for 30 passes before a backheel-ed rabona cross for Berahino to take on his chest and bicycle kick into the next, which I feel is what some people are trying to make out as being the only alternative to Pulis-ball.

I have to say the goal we scored against West Ham is the kind of goal I want to see - counter-attacking with pace. And we had/have the players to do that (Gamboa, Sessegnon, Varela, Berahino), but it seems we're not going down that route.

Fair points mentioned there. The only thing I can think of for an answer to lack of compromise is the worry that any tinkering of style of play is going to take a number of weeks to implement. It is far easier and quicker to implement a more 'basic' style such as we are playing now than it is to get the team playing with quicker,more precise attacking methods. I think we have gone for an ultra safety first approach purely because JP didn't want to take a risk with the danger of us running out of time if results didn't immediately improve.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
I was in no way trying to belittle Astle1968's posts,I even said it was good articulate,healthy debate. I always enjoy reading Astle1968's posts,as he says himself, it is exactly what a forum should be for. I should have used the word 'opinion' rather than 'agenda', I grant you that. I fully appreciate what Astle1968 is saying, I was just offering another opinion and other thoughts.

Fair enough but this is the post I was referring to:

"Anyone can twist and manipulate statistics to fit whatever point of view they have or stance they are taking. It is obvious that Astle1968 doesn't like or rate Tony Pulis so he is spending his time digging up facts to fit his own agenda on this subject. The fact of the matter is who else could the Albion have employed to almost guarantee our Premier League survival? Nobody. End of chat".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 26, 2015, 05:56:40 PM
how are people trying to compare pulis to hodgson, there at totally different levels
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 26, 2015, 05:56:59 PM
Fair points mentioned there. The only thing I can think of for an answer to lack of compromise is the worry that any tinkering of style of play is going to take a number of weeks to implement. It is far easier and quicker to implement a more 'basic' style such as we are playing now than it is to get the team playing with quicker,more precise attacking methods. I think we have gone for an ultra safety first approach purely because JP didn't want to take a risk with the danger of us running out of time if results didn't immediately improve.

I think you're spot on with those thoughts Nathan.

The TV revenue is about to go through the roof. The disparity between the Premier League and the Championship will be ridiculous. In his first interviews Pulis kept reiterating how it's going to be his toughest job. Reiterating the need to hit the ground running and bank some wins as soon as possible.

His best way to bank the points? Concede no goals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 06:11:29 PM
Astle, I'm sure Pulis's stats from last season are better, and in my view it's much less bias to view him on his last job, as it's a closer time period and therefore more relevant, you may as well look up his stats for his other clubs if going down the Stoke route.

His style of play is similar to Hodgsons, you have pointed out that at Stoke he scored less and it was even more 'dull' than Hodgson and I would agree, but it still makes it similar; they both thrive on set pieces at both ends, keeping it tight etc.

Pulis will do fine here, a lot of people said he left Stoke in a mess when he left but Mark Hughes made it look easy...
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 26, 2015, 06:30:42 PM
A negative view born of educated guess work seems to be that we will have to support the Albion whilst holding our noses to the stench of boring football Pulis promotes.
We haven’t even stayed up yet, but that with all the other predictions are seemingly inevitable. Pulis even hasn’t bought any players yet, (maybe McManaman – is he the typical Pulis Neanderthal or Southampton esq I don’t know)
Perhaps we should get down the charity shops now to get our bed sheets ready for August so after he keeps us up we can demonstrate “Pulis Out” banners on the opening game of the new season.
Here’s another educated guess after we have sacked Pulis for boring us to survival. We get a progressive attacking manager who gets us to 8th place with sparkling football and a big club comes and takes him and 4 of our best players.
My point is I just don’t see the point of being so negative about something’s that hasn’t even happened yet. At what point should we start booing our monotonous football before or after we have stayed up because if we adopt such a pessimistic view of our clubs future we might as well start booing Pulis at the Spurs game
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 26, 2015, 06:59:48 PM
Astle, I'm sure Pulis's stats from last season are better, and in my view it's much less bias to view him on his last job, as it's a closer time period and therefore more relevant, you may as well look up his stats for his other clubs if going down the Stoke route.

His style of play is similar to Hodgsons, you have pointed out that at Stoke he scored less and it was even more 'dull' than Hodgson and I would agree, but it still makes it similar; they both thrive on set pieces at both ends, keeping it tight etc.

Pulis will do fine here, a lot of people said he left Stoke in a mess when he left but Mark Hughes made it look easy...

I've posted his Palace stats elsewhere and they are virtually identical. Id say the Stoke ones hold more weight as that was a team he built in his own image whereas Palace he was left to work more or less with what he inherited. I actually dont think the stuff palace played was quite as bad as at stoke, but it still wasn't pretty to watch.

Go and look at his Stoke side when they first came up, the side he left or the one he took over at palace and all the stats like shots, possesion, dribbles, goals, pass etc are pretty much the same each season.

I hope Im wrong but theres nothing to suggest he's going to change his style now. Its like Anichebe, he 'could' score 10 goals between now and May, saying he would or wouldnt is nothing more than educated guess work, but have a look at the last 6 years of his career and its a pretty safe bet to say he wont.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 07:03:39 PM
It's not me you have to convince, I will happy with mid-table obscurity even if we play 'ugly' football, I admire his defensive game even if most don't.

However, I'd also in the 4 games (3 competitive) that I've seen at West Brom so far, there are lots of similarities between him and Hodgson whilst he was here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 26, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
Did we ever have a game under Hodgson where we failed to get a single shot on target?  (If we did it was clearly a forgettable match!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 26, 2015, 07:09:44 PM
what hodgson played much better football than tony pulis does, you dont manage teams like inter milan, england, liverpool and guide fulham to the latter stages of the uefa cup, if you just hoof it like pulis does
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on January 26, 2015, 07:11:25 PM
What is up with all this statistics BS?
The only statistics I care about is how many points we get between now and the end of the season. It makes no difference what Tony Pulis accomplished at other teams, with different players and with more time to make a difference.
I'll break it down for all these stats people.... we haven't lost yet and are conceding fewer goals. Did I mention we have picked up some points and actually look like the team isn't about to roll over at the start of every game.
Lets make our opinions known when he's had more than two weeks to make changes. Anyone who is here criticizing the team actually getting some points and comparing it to previous seasons with other clubs needs to take a break from this forum. I; and I suspect many others; do not need this negative view of everything.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 26, 2015, 07:57:25 PM
Did we ever have a game under Hodgson where we failed to get a single shot on target?  (If we did it was clearly a forgettable match!)

It might have been against Everton on New Years Day. Victor Anichebe scored the winner.

Funnily enough under Pulis, another game where we didn't manage a single shot on target was also against Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 26, 2015, 07:59:54 PM
Anyone who is here criticizing the team actually getting some points and comparing it to previous seasons with other clubs needs to take a break from this forum. I; and I suspect many others; do not need this negative view of everything.

Nobody needs to take a break from the forum for posting their well reasoned opinions which might differ to somebody elses.

People have different viewpoints - its what makes a forum - and everybody is entitled to make their posts without being belittled and being told to go elsewhere.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
It might have been against Everton on New Years Day. Victor Anichebe scored the winner.

Funnily enough under Pulis, another game where we didn't manage a single shot on target was also against Everton.

TBH Liam, it's the Everton game that's scared me about TP. I don't get too snobby about playing styles, providing we try to win a game. I didn't see any evidence of us trying to win that game. Hope Saturday's a bit better.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on January 26, 2015, 08:30:35 PM
it's the Everton game that's scared me about TP. I don't get too snobby about playing styles, providing we try to win a game. I didn't see any evidence of us trying to win that game. Hope Saturday's a bit better.

I thought the opposite to be honest, and the Everton match reassured me that we have a bloke at the helm who is addressing the fundamental issue affecting clubs drifting towards the relegation zone - you initially focus on the defence first and foremost.

Watching the match on TV, I can't recall the last time I had watched the Albion in such a relaxed state of mind, as penalty incident apart, I just couldn't see Everton scoring against us.

If there hadn't been the slight misunderstanding between Ideye and Sess towards the end we would have walked away with all 3 points.

I really enjoyed seeing such an organised and well drilled defence, and if I'm honest, enjoyed the obvious frustration of the Everton players and their fans as they failed, time and time again, to break us down.

More of the same is fine with me, so we can get to the Summer, regroup and then really kick on for the first time in around 2 1/2 years.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 26, 2015, 08:41:56 PM
Out of interest why is there a sudden move to be negative. I've had my views on him since day 1, but to be fair we have had decent results since he took over so why is there a growing groundswell of negativity?

Is it the sty le of play? Releasing Varela and Blanco? Reported interest in Ameobi?

I'm genuinely interested as to why there seems to be a growing change of heart.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 26, 2015, 08:54:39 PM
Stoke are currently being out passed by Rochdale 54%-46%. The only goal from the game coming directly from a long ball  ;D

That's with a 'new' manager who has had 18 months to stamp his style onto the team. Pulis has had less than 1 month with the West Brom squad.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 26, 2015, 08:59:30 PM
Out of interest why is there a sudden move to be negative. I've had my views on him since day 1, but to be fair we have had decent results since he took over so why is there a growing groundswell of negativity?

Is it the sty le of play? Releasing Varela and Blanco? Reported interest in Ameobi?

I'm genuinely interested as to why there seems to be a growing change of heart.

its all of the above plus no in-coming players, if we are changing things great, we all agreed that change was necessary. I can only speak for myself but I'm worried about failing to sign good new blood and the whole thing un-ravelling
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 26, 2015, 09:03:11 PM
Stoke are currently being out passed by Rochdale 54%-46%. The only goal from the game coming directly from a long ball  ;D

That's with a 'new' manager who has had 18 months to stamp his style onto the team. Pulis has had less than 1 month with the West Brom squad.

Try as much as you like Tony stokelad, you not going to convert some of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
I thought the opposite to be honest, and the Everton match reassured me that we have a bloke at the helm who is addressing the fundamental issue affecting clubs drifting towards the relegation zone - you initially focus on the defence first and foremost.

Watching the match on TV, I can't recall the last time I had watched the Albion in such a relaxed state of mind, as penalty incident apart, I just couldn't see Everton scoring against us.

If there hadn't been the slight misunderstanding between Ideye and Sess towards the end we would have walked away with all 3 points.

I really enjoyed seeing such an organised and well drilled defence, and if I'm honest, enjoyed the obvious frustration of the Everton players and their fans as they failed, time and time again, to break us down.

More of the same is fine with me, so we can get to the Summer, regroup and then really kick on for the first time in around 2 1/2 years.

But we're going to need more than just draws to keep us in this league, & surely the way that Everton are playing at the moment, it's a game we should have expected to win. I didn't see any evidence that we wanted to win it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liverbaggie on January 26, 2015, 09:35:59 PM
Just a thought pulis is quite correct saying this is a big job to help us stay up.we are the biggest club he has coached.I think he will keep us up and next year we will be an organised superfit team aiming for top 8
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 26, 2015, 09:43:55 PM
But we're going to need more than just draws to keep us in this league, & surely the way that Everton are playing at the moment, it's a game we should have expected to win. I didn't see any evidence that we wanted to win it.
They wanted a win John.We stopped them got a point.Everton have some very good players Lukaku?
We stopped them got the job done as Brumme Rd says,
We will turn sides over I am sure.If fact we turned Everton over as they expected 3 points. 8)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on January 26, 2015, 09:53:27 PM
They wanted a win John.We stopped them got a point.Everton have some very good players Lukaku?
We stopped them got the job done as Brumme Rd says,
We will turn sides over I am sure.If fact we turned Everton over as they expected 3 points. 8)

There's an old cliché " If you play in the opposition's half of the field, they can't score". We had 30% possession in the Everton match, so Everton had 70%, that's a risky strategy to me. I watched the match on TV, we hardly crossed the halfway line. If they had scored the penalty, I'm convinced we would have lost the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 26, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
There's an old cliché " If you play in the opposition's half of the field, they can't score". We had 30% possession in the Everton match, so Everton had 70%, that's a risky strategy to me. I watched the match on TV, we hardly crossed the halfway line. If they had scored the penalty, I'm convinced we would have lost the game.
We used to get loads of possession with Mowbray and lose, possession doesn't mean anything unless it creates goals, and for that you need lots of possession in the opponents box, which we did not give to Everton.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2015, 07:52:09 AM
We used to get loads of possession with Mowbray and lose, possession doesn't mean anything unless it creates goals, and for that you need lots of possession in the opponents box, which we did not give to Everton.
We just gave them a penalty that they missed.  ;)

I can not see us going down under Pulis like I could not see us going down under Irvine. Even our "useless" players are capable of keeping us in the greed league.  I am now more concerned about where we are going to see our next three points come from as we are yet to see any real attacking intention.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 11:26:09 AM
This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 27, 2015, 12:09:01 PM
This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......

Well said.....I remember before he was appointed that there were plenty of 'we dont want Pulis' comments on this site, but none of them put forward any acceptable options. We were not in a position to take yet another 'lucky punt' on someone who is an all round good egg but had no 'real' experience. You just know that the 'I told you so' gang will be out as soon as we lose a game.....

He was the only man for the job and I hope he is with us for a long time for the right reasons, but give him a chance and wait to see what he can do with his own men.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on January 27, 2015, 12:23:35 PM
This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......
judging by our back four on saturday our new building is going to be full of big pillars.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 27, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
well all buildings need strong foundations of course!! We can then employ a fancy interior designer to make things look pretty of course! The last thing we want is to choose the curtains before the building is complete as tastes change! I'll have a lie down eh!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on January 27, 2015, 04:25:50 PM
He was and is the right man at the right time....and if he cannot save us, then no one can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 27, 2015, 04:28:49 PM
He was and is the right man at the right time....and if he cannot save us, then no one can.



some would say the mesiah
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 04:46:19 PM
If he cant keep us out the bottom 3 then he's done a worse job than Irvine did, as well as RDM, Hodgson, Clarke and Mel.

Keeping us up is not the job Pulis is making it out to be. The last guy failed at 2 league 1 clubs, took over after the worst summer of transfer business I can ever remember us having and had a large number of the crowd against him from day 1. At yet even he could still only take us as low as 17th
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 27, 2015, 04:46:28 PM
Well said.....I remember before he was appointed that there were plenty of 'we dont want Pulis' comments on this site, but none of them put forward any acceptable options. We were not in a position to take yet another 'lucky punt' on someone who is an all round good egg but had no 'real' experience. You just know that the 'I told you so' gang will be out as soon as we lose a game.....

He was the only man for the job and I hope he is with us for a long time for the right reasons, but give him a chance and wait to see what he can do with his own men.

Sorry to be a pain but would you mind posting some of the 'we don't want Pulis' comments please.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 27, 2015, 05:19:53 PM
Pulis' brand of "football" is abhorrent to me. In the thread you speak of, I stated that I'd rather be relegated than resort to the tactics that Pulis' Stoke team employed on a regular basis. Just imagine his first training session...

"Hi lads, I'm Tony. Whose got the longest throw then?"



Comments like these Luv, quite a few if you search. I have just re read some of the threads, its quite amusing that in the days leading up to his appointment there was a lot of speculation about Sherwood, Hughton and Jones. Pulis comes into the frame and there is a fair bit of negative comment, and then he is appointed and there is a grudging acceptance that actually, JP has called this one right!.

The only reason I joined this site was because Im could not believe the negative attitude towards his appointment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 27, 2015, 05:27:00 PM
Pulis' brand of "football" is abhorrent to me. In the thread you speak of, I stated that I'd rather be relegated than resort to the tactics that Pulis' Stoke team employed on a regular basis. Just imagine his first training session...

"Hi lads, I'm Tony. Whose got the longest throw then?"



Comments like these Luv, quite a few if you search. I have just re read some of the threads, its quite amusing that in the days leading up to his appointment there was a lot of speculation about Sherwood, Hughton and Jones. Pulis comes into the frame and there is a fair bit of negative comment, and then he is appointed and there is a grudging acceptance that actually, JP has called this one right!.

The only reason I joined this site was because Im could not believe the negative attitude towards his appointment.

Strangely I've searched but wasn't able to find one forum member who posted the words 'we don't want Pulis', despite you saying there were "plenty" of those comments, just wondering where you had seen them  :-\
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 27, 2015, 06:01:25 PM
If he cant keep us out the bottom 3 then he's done a worse job than Irvine did, as well as RDM, Hodgson, Clarke and Mel.

Keeping us up is not the job Pulis is making it out to be. The last guy failed at 2 league 1 clubs, took over after the worst summer of transfer business I can ever remember us having and had a large number of the crowd against him from day 1. At yet even he could still only take us as low as 17th
another 3 weeks of Irvine and we would have been in the bottom three,pulis will keep us up but so far its not a good watch
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 06:28:34 PM
Not only for the team but to shut the moaners up I'd love to see us sign MaManaman Ba and Fletcher. They moan when were linked with their Pulis stereotype player. I shall cup my hand to my ear and run round the kitchen if we sign players that don't fit the anti Pulis agenda.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 27, 2015, 06:32:42 PM
Is there any point in being ante Tony pulis. The bloke is here and working his socks off to keep us up .let's hope we do stop up . Next season is the time to gripe .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 27, 2015, 06:36:01 PM
Is there any point in being ante Tony pulis. The bloke is here and working his socks off to keep us up .let's hope we do stop up . Next season is the time to gripe .
Well said mate.Under Irvine we would have gone down I have no doubt.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 27, 2015, 06:36:53 PM
I don't think anybody is anti-Pulis

They are just offering concerns with regards to his abrasive personality and style of football.

I think more or less everybody is in agreement that Pulis was the right man but I don't think we should automatically abandon our concerns with regards to what we'll be watching over the next 12 months or so just because he was the right man at this time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 06:51:31 PM
I don't think anybody is anti-Pulis

They are just offering concerns with regards to his abrasive personality and style of football.

I think more or less everybody is in agreement that Pulis was the right man but I don't think we should automatically abandon our concerns with regards to what we'll be watching over the next 12 months or so just because he was the right man at this time.

Pulis is competent. His Stoke style of football ie "Pulisball" is also a dramatic condemnation of where British football stands at this point in time. What is remarkable is how scarce, not to say non-existent, alternatives to him are at this point in time. Needless to say I hope we, as Albion fans, will be spared the worst aspects of Pulisball. I am hopeful simply because Albion at this point in time is not Stoke of five years ago. 

I don't know what Dan Ashworth wrote in his UK "Football DNA" report, but something has to happen on the coaching level before it can happen on the player level. This will be true as long as British football managers/coaches prefer "tractors" to "Lamborghinis, Ferraris and BMWs".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 06:57:37 PM
I don't think anybody is anti-Pulis

They are just offering concerns with regards to his abrasive personality and style of football.

I think more or less everybody is in agreement that Pulis was the right man but I don't think we should automatically abandon our concerns with regards to what we'll be watching over the next 12 months or so just because he was the right man at this time.
No one is anti Pulis. Its just a lot of people on here think that he plays awful boring hoofball, buys Freak sized strikers, plays 4 centre backs in defence and makes you wonder if you have turned up at Twickenham rather than the Hawthorns. Apart from that everyone loves him on here.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 27, 2015, 07:19:21 PM
Pulis is competent. His Stoke style of football ie "Pulisball" is also a dramatic condemnation of where British football stands at this point in time. What is remarkable is how scarce, not to say non-existent, alternatives to him are at this point in time. Needless to say I hope we, as Albion fans, will be spared the worst aspects of Pulisball. I am hopeful simply because Albion at this point in time is not Stoke of five years ago. 

I don't know what Dan Ashworth wrote in his UK "Football DNA" report, but something has to happen on the coaching level before it can happen on the player level. This will be true as long as British football managers/coaches prefer "tractors" to "Lamborghinis, Ferraris and BMWs".

Spot on, we have to change our coaching of coaches, we are turning out clones who play "effective but unentertaining" football for competing with teams of a similar capability,. Its only the foreign coaches who bring any diversity. Hence rubbish national teams, sterile leagues and lack of opportunities for british managers / head coaches.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 08:01:57 PM
Is there any point in being ante Tony pulis. The bloke is here and working his socks off to keep us up .let's hope we do stop up . Next season is the time to gripe .

I havn't seen anybody who is anti Pulis. I havnt seen anyone criticise his appointment. I dont think any/many people doubt he is the right man for the job if the job is to keep us up.

Th concerns are about his playing style and what will be subjecting to watching.
Not only for the team but to shut the moaners up I'd love to see us sign MaManaman Ba and Fletcher. They moan when were linked with their Pulis stereotype player. I shall cup my hand to my ear and run round the kitchen if we sign players that don't fit the anti Pulis agenda.

Again, nobody is moaning about Pulis, people are raising (in my view at least) extremely valid points about the way he will go about getting results. I havn't seen anyone say 'well Pulis is **** whats Peace doing, Pulis out!) the points are considered and balanced and backed up and based on pretty much his entire managerial career to date.

This debate is a bit like looking at architect's plans for a new building and saying what we hope the decor will be like! Let's wait a bit eh? New players in during Jan and the summer should give us a good impression of where the new direction is heading....................hopeully Pulis gives us a solid foundation to build from......

But its a bit like getting someone who who builds the most secure buildings you could get, and then decorates the interior by smearing excrement over the floors and walls. Now some people will say a house is a house, be grateful theres a roof over your head. Others will complain the house smells of ****. Theres a valid argument each way and its down to your own preference.

The other option is you get someone different in to improve the style in 18 months, but before he can do anything he's going to have to spend a lot of time clearing up what the previous guy left behind. This is why I much preferred our previous model rather than handing Pulis pretty much complete control.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 27, 2015, 08:17:38 PM
I havn't seen anybody who is anti Pulis. I havnt seen anyone criticise his appointment. I dont think any/many people doubt he is the right man for the job if the job is to keep us up.

Th concerns are about his playing style and what will be subjecting to watching.
Again, nobody is moaning about Pulis, people are raising (in my view at least) extremely valid points about the way he will go about getting results. I havn't seen anyone say 'well Pulis is **** whats Peace doing, Pulis out!) the points are considered and balanced and backed up and based on pretty much his entire managerial career to date.
But its a bit like getting someone who who builds the most secure buildings you could get, and then decorates the interior by smearing excrement over the floors and walls. Now some people will say a house is a house, be grateful theres a roof over your head. Others will complain the house smells of ****. Theres a valid argument each way and its down to your own preference.

The other option is you get someone different in to improve the style in 18 months, but before he can do anything he's going to have to spend a lot of time clearing up what the previous guy left behind. This is why I much preferred our previous model rather than handing Pulis pretty much complete control.
Yes let's get Mowbray back!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 08:37:21 PM
On Saturday to the Liqidator de de de de da de de de de da"PULIS OUT ....IN 18 MONTHS". Does that sound absurd or is that just me?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 08:43:21 PM
For the record I am Anti Pulis and I know plenty of others who are. But being pro Albion trumps all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 27, 2015, 08:48:07 PM
On Saturday to the Liqidator de de de de da de de de de da"PULIS OUT ....IN 18 MONTHS". Does that sound absurd or is that just me?

Out of interest - why do you seem to have a problem with people that are criticising Tony Pulis?

Many of those that have criticised him have so far produced well balanced arguments whilst at this point in time admitting he is the right man for the club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: boing boing baggies on January 27, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
I am having so many problems with fans wanting Pulis out when we are unbeaten 5 games... and through to the last 16 of the FA cup, plus a bit + we are about to sign Callum McManaman.  What do some people want ?? >:(
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 27, 2015, 08:58:29 PM
I am having so many problems with fans wanting Pulis out when we are unbeaten 5 games... and through to the last 16 of the FA cup, plus a bit + we are about to sign Callum McManaman.  What do some people want ?? >:(

Who wants Pulis out?

What I want is football I consider watchable. Not even exciting or attacking or full of goals, just 'ok'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 09:08:32 PM
Out of interest - why do you seem to have a problem with people that are criticising Tony Pulis?

Many of those that have criticised him have so far produced well balanced arguments whilst at this point in time admitting he is the right man for the club.
As I said yesterday “A negative view born of educated guess work seems to be that we will have to support the Albion whilst holding our noses to the stench of boring football Pulis promotes.
We haven’t even stayed up yet, but that with all the other predictions are seemingly inevitable. Pulis even hasn’t bought any players yet, (maybe McManaman – is he the typical Pulis Neanderthal or Southampton esq I don’t know)
Perhaps we should get down the charity shops now to get our bed sheets ready for August so after he keeps us up we can demonstrate “Pulis Out” banners on the opening game of the new season.
Here’s another educated guess after we have sacked Pulis for boring us to survival. We get a progressive attacking manager who gets us to 8th place with sparkling football and a big club comes and takes him and 4 of our best players.
My point is I just don’t see the point of being so negative about something’s that hasn’t even happened yet. At what point should we start booing our monotonous football before or after we have stayed up because if we adopt such a pessimistic view of our clubs future we might as well start booing Pulis at the Spurs game”
Because all of the arguments about Pulis have been educated supposition of what is going to happen in the future porteayed as fact. For instance do you really think Pulis would turn down a player like Demba Ba if Peace sanctioned his signing. "Nah Jeremy go get me someone with a little less skill and more brawn - he doesn't suit my style." Lets worry about what style we might play after the window. I just get the feeling that no matter what, people will complain. I guess you would call me a bleeding heart Liberal that won’t condemn the man until he is found guilty and not before.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 27, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
Lets just give him the chance to get his own players and put his own stamp on the team. The fact is we have a very poor unbalanced squad at the moment. The only way we are going to stay up with the current crop is by becoming hard to beat by becoming more defensive and working harder which won't be pretty. We are not blessed with any flair or pace to play anything remotely attractive at present. Judge him in 12 months time (if he is still here).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 27, 2015, 09:15:04 PM
As I said yesterday “A negative view born of educated guess work seems to be that we will have to support the Albion whilst holding our noses to the stench of boring football Pulis promotes.
We haven’t even stayed up yet, but that with all the other predictions are seemingly inevitable. Pulis even hasn’t bought any players yet, (maybe McManaman – is he the typical Pulis Neanderthal or Southampton esq I don’t know)
Perhaps we should get down the charity shops now to get our bed sheets ready for August so after he keeps us up we can demonstrate “Pulis Out” banners on the opening game of the new season.
Here’s another educated guess after we have sacked Pulis for boring us to survival. We get a progressive attacking manager who gets us to 8th place with sparkling football and a big club comes and takes him and 4 of our best players.
My point is I just don’t see the point of being so negative about something’s that hasn’t even happened yet. At what point should we start booing our monotonous football before or after we have stayed up because if we adopt such a pessimistic view of our clubs future we might as well start booing Pulis at the Spurs game”
Because all of the arguments about Pulis have been educated supposition of what is going to happen in the future porteayed as fact. For instance do you really think Pulis would turn down a player like Demba Ba if Peace sanctioned his signing. "Nah Jeremy go get me someone with a little less skill and more brawn - he doesn't suit my style." Lets worry about what style we might play after the window. I just get the feeling that no matter what, people will complain. I guess you would call me a bleeding heart Liberal that won’t condemn the man until he is found guilty and not before.
Have you read the Alan Irvine thread?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 27, 2015, 09:18:16 PM
Have you read the Alan Irvine thread?
I take your point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: telford baggie on January 27, 2015, 09:24:21 PM
judge him when he has .brought players in that he wants...unbeaten so far made us hard to beat with a team that was very open and easy to beat not long ago...no pleasing some
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on January 27, 2015, 09:24:53 PM
We have been kept in the premiership recently by the skin of our teeth . A manager can only manage with what he has got . Our squad has needed a massive overhaul for quite a while . So let's stay up first and then regroup next year and hopefully we will improve the football .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on January 27, 2015, 10:25:48 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-west-brom-were-right-8529464?


Spot on report.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 10:38:55 PM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/comment-west-brom-were-right-8529464?


Spot on report.

Southampton
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 10:46:11 PM
Southampton

And you think we would get a manager of Koeman's ilk? I'd be all for it, but people have been shouting from the rooftops we need a domestic coach with Prem experience. Basically that equals TP

We know the players refused to play for Pepe Mel, they took one look at what he wanted during the camp in Spain and clearly spelled it out "Thx, but no thx". So, then we went with Irvine, which meant poor football, more importantly poor losing football. TP is at least proven in this division.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on January 27, 2015, 10:49:52 PM
Southampton

South Coast, ten of millions to spend and earning a pretty penny. I understand Tp is on a fair bit, but i think that's desperation on JP's behalF?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dan7heman on January 27, 2015, 10:55:41 PM
And you think we would get a manager of Koeman's ilk? I'd be all for it, but people have been shouting from the rooftops we need a domestic coach with Prem experience. Basically that equals TP

We know the players refused to play for Pepe Mel, they took one look at what he wanted during the camp in Spain and clearly spelled it out "Thx, but no thx". So, then we went with Irvine, which meant poor football, more importantly poor losing football. TP is at least proven in this division.

Before Southampton his managerial record is way worse then Pulis.. He has lived off his name as a player.

Ajax- went backwards
Porto- sacked
PSV- ok scraped the league by 1 goal
AZ - lost 7 of 16 and went
Feyenoord - did 1 year and finished in 2012.

Yes he has done brilliant but the style can be good too.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on January 27, 2015, 11:02:57 PM
Before Southampton his managerial record is way worse then Pulis.. He has lived off his name as a player.

Ajax- went backwards
Porto- sacked
PSV- ok scraped the league by 1 goal
AZ - lost 7 of 16 and went
Feyenoord - did 1 year and finished in 2012.

Yes he has done brilliant but the style can be good too.

So basically Southampton got lucky that Koeman was a perfect fit for them. Who knows, Pulis may yet be a perfect fit for us. Hard to tell after five (unbeaten) games.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PepeMel on January 27, 2015, 11:14:38 PM
Pulis is the best thing to happen to us in ages, he's inherited slow dour footballers, I am sure by the start of next season He will have much of the playing side he wants
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 27, 2015, 11:21:10 PM
I think it shows how well Pulis has already done that our fans are focusing on his style rather than his results, as he has been successful in getting points on the board. He must be doing something right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 28, 2015, 07:01:27 AM
I do remember commenting that it was a cleverly timed appointment. Don't put him in charge of the team before the West Ham game (although as we didn't lose he can now take some credit for), and let him have a run of games that are winnable. Everton was the first real test but we were lucky to meet them at the bottom of the form table and got a point thanks to a missed penalty.  You can only not lose (beat) the teams infront of you and so far we have done that under Pulis.  Spurs could be a challenge on Saturday.  Will we try and attack them or are we looking for a point?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on January 28, 2015, 08:03:02 AM
Spurs are in for a surprise if they think we are just going to sit back.This will be a different game from the Everton one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on January 28, 2015, 09:41:44 AM
I think it shows how well Pulis has already done that our fans are focusing on his style rather than his results, as he has been successful in getting points on the board. He must be doing something right.

Spot on.........previously we had no positives..........at least we're beginning to see a pattern of us being hard to break down........green shoots/ positive signs
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AshD on January 28, 2015, 12:46:44 PM
Do we have proven players to play an expansive, attractive style of football? I keep seeing the names Blanco, Varela, Gamboa etc...do we actually know that they would do well in the Prem??? Varela did ok in the few games he played to be fair, but did we play up his performances as he was the type of player we wanted in the team?

We havent played decent football for quite a while now, and that may be down to the fact we don't have the players to do so. There are questionmarks over the quality of quite a large number of our squad! Koeman keeps being mentioned, but he had millions to bring in the type of players he wanted to play a decent style...without the likes of Pelle, Tadic, Mane, would they be playing successfull passing football???

Pulis has come in and set us up to be solid...there is absolutely no way he would want us to be as poor on the ball as we were at Everton...but that could be down to the quality of players we have! With a few of his own players in and a bit more pace in the team, I expect to see an improvement in style, whilst still remaining solid!

I also like Foster's interview about him yesterday - it sounds like its been a bit of a holiday camp there for some of them, but that won't be happening any longer!!!

I think people need to give him time - survival is the main aim for this season so he is going to do whatever he feels gives us the best chance to do so...and from what I've seen, I'm far more confident that we will stay up than I did a month ago!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 28, 2015, 12:58:17 PM
Strangely I've searched but wasn't able to find one forum member who posted the words 'we don't want Pulis', despite you saying there were "plenty" of those comments, just wondering where you had seen them  :-\

Sorry for the delayed reply but I went to see Slipknot last night....

Didn't actually realise you would take the phrase literally and search for it! Perhaps the more generic way of putting it is anti Pulis comments, but please don't search that, I think you know what I mean.

The point has moved on considerably now and I think that the general consensus is that he is the right man for the job, and only time will tell if the appointment is correct. If he has us playing like Crystal Palace last year then I will be a happy man......
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Greenock Baggie on January 28, 2015, 01:35:43 PM
Exactly guys, I think we all appreciate THIS SEASON he is here to do a job by hook or by crook. NEXT SEASON we will start to be judgemental on HOW we play rather than being results focused this season.

So if he keeps us up, we'll all be happy to judge on results alone but come next season we will look for him to have us playing more expansive football.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on January 28, 2015, 05:56:05 PM
Sorry for the delayed reply but I went to see Slipknot last night....

Didn't actually realise you would take the phrase literally and search for it! Perhaps the more generic way of putting it is anti Pulis comments, but please don't search that, I think you know what I mean.

The point has moved on considerably now and I think that the general consensus is that he is the right man for the job, and only time will tell if the appointment is correct. If he has us playing like Crystal Palace last year then I will be a happy man......

Firstly, I didn't search anything as I knew NO member had posted the comment 'we don't want Pulis'
Secondly, might be worth giving some thought before posting your opinion as FACT like suggesting posts had been made specifically quoting comments that were never in fact said.
Thirdly, you're right to a degree regarding anti-Pulis comments, however if you read through a lot of them you'll find they are more personal concerns for footballing style as apposed to any real venom against TP (unlike what we had with the previous head coach)
Fourthly, hope you enjoyed Slipknot  :D   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: skyclad99 on January 28, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
Tony f---king pulis!!! Your having a larf.

Quote from 30/12/14 - a bit extreme and to be fair it does not use the term 'we don't want Pulis', but I get the impression he is not too enamoured.

Nothing was posted as fact, I read the postings and got the anti Pulis vibe loud and clear. It is now clearly apparent that some fans quite rightly have reservations about his perceived style - I get that and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Only time will tell and it is now good to see that everyone is absolutely behind his revolution.   

Slipknot were excellent thanks  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on January 28, 2015, 09:50:47 PM
Spurs are in for a surprise if they think we are just going to sit back.This will be a different game from the Everton one.
I really hope your right it will be very interesting tactically to see what he does,everton away you could predict beforehand,but most people would take a point v spurs so the tactics might be the same
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 28, 2015, 10:10:29 PM
I do not think we will go 2-0 up V QPR and feck up with TP in charge.
 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 28, 2015, 10:16:14 PM
Tony f---king pulis!!! Your having a larf.

Quote from 30/12/14 - a bit extreme and to be fair it does not use the term 'we don't want Pulis', but I get the impression he is not too enamoured.

Nothing was posted as fact, I read the postings and got the anti Pulis vibe loud and clear. It is now clearly apparent that some fans quite rightly have reservations about his perceived style - I get that and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Only time will and it is now good to see that everyone is absolutely behind his revolution.   

Slipknot were excellent thanks  ;)

This is what swung Tony Pulis’s appointment for me and helped me not to worry about how his teams played football in the past. It also gets me angry when I hear people who have this stereotype of him. I think people might change their minds a little after hearing this from a radio interview with Phil Neville on 5 live on Friday the second of Jan 2015. The link is below I’ve transcribed some of it here:
“I’ve spent a lot of time with Ton Pulis in and since Brazil and on a couple of trips to the middle east and out of all of the managers I have ever met he is the one who has impressed me more than many and I have met all the top ones, he’s the one where you have a pre conceived idea and when you actually meet him he is a top, top manager” ………………
Start it around 55minutes 35 seconds into the Mark Chapman preview
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04vkbmz#auto
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 29, 2015, 10:24:11 AM
Stoke fans views if anyone is interested. Probably pretty similar to ours in the main.

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/239983/pulis-bring?page=1&scrollTo=4577373

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on January 29, 2015, 12:26:35 PM
I think sometimes when people are against the appointment of Tony Pulis what they are really doing is lamenting the current state of football which means that West Brom will never again be a major team at the top of the EPL and apart from a very occasional season play sparkling free flowing football (as if that ever happens the manager, best players or both are poached by the big boys perpetuating the situation). Ironically the only way we might see some free flowing “good football” at the Albion is if we are relegated. If Bournemouth are promoted will they continue to play “good football” and stay up without massive investment?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on January 29, 2015, 12:28:16 PM
I think sometimes when people are against the appointment of Tony Pulis what they are really doing is lamenting the current state of football which means that West Brom will never again be a major team at the top of the EPL and apart from a very occasional season play sparkling free flowing football (as if that ever happens the manager, best players or both are poached by the big boys perpetuating the situation). Ironically the only way we might see some free flowing “good football” at the Albion is if we are relegated. If Bournemouth are promoted will they continue to play “good football” and stay up without massive investment?

there is a world of difference between "concern at TP's tactics" and "Against his appointment"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 29, 2015, 12:38:59 PM
there is a world of difference between "concern at TP's tactics" and "Against his appointment"

I'm sure there's someone somewhere but I'm still yet to see anyone come out and say they are against his appointment.

I do also think there's 2 slightly different debates. Free flowing football is considered a good style and one I prefer but even a slight variation of Pulisball can be good to watch. There's many different ways to be entertaining but I would say any of them would fall under what we have seen so far. I also think there's no reason you cant stay up and indeed prosper playing decent football. In fact the ones that tend to progress tend to play a slightly more attacking style whilst at best ones who seem to be more defensive might stick around for a season or 2 but at some point get sucked back down. Ironically Pulis is probably the most obvious example of someone who managed to survive so long without getting dragged back down but then his ability to keep us up has not been questioned.

If they come up I think with a couple of additions Bournemouth will go quite well next season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: cornishbaggie on January 29, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
Pulis is the best thing to happen to us in ages, he's inherited slow dour footballers, I am sure by the start of next season He will have much of the playing side he wants

Agree with Pulis being the best thing to happen to us in ages.

he is also the BEST thing that's ever happened to Stoke. they should be more grateful.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on January 29, 2015, 07:15:49 PM
Agree with Pulis being the best thing to happen to us in ages.

he is also the BEST thing that's ever happened to Stoke. they should be more grateful.

We at least had him for a couple of years before he divided the support down the middle.  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2015, 07:24:17 PM
I totally agree that Pulis is the best thing to happen to us in ages, everybody at the club have had it far to easy for too long.All i ask for from a footballer is 100% and we now know we are going to get that, i hope they ache all over :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on January 29, 2015, 07:57:45 PM
Stoke fans views if anyone is interested. Probably pretty similar to ours in the main.

http://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/239983/pulis-bring?page=1&scrollTo=4577373

They really are split 50/50 on that board. Some absolutely love him and some can't stand him in terms of the football he played.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swabey on January 30, 2015, 07:14:56 PM
Another thing you need to be aware of if its not already been mentioned is his love for certain players.

It's so frustrating that however badly they play you just know they will keep their place week in week out. Someone may come on for half an hour or so and have a blinder however come the next game it'll be the same old faces, ie Walters, Shotton, Wilson. Cresswell etc etc.

There were a few splits in the dressing room as fringe players knew that however well they played they would be out again next game.

TP can be such an infuriatingly stubborn person at times.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 30, 2015, 07:32:19 PM
In fairness we aren't Stoke when he took them up and established them and we aren't Palace when he went and saved them from dire trouble . I do expect us to become rigid but let's just give TP time before we judge him and how he sets us up . Of course his first job is to keep us up whichever way he can , if he does that it will be very interesting to see which way he goes .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on January 30, 2015, 07:43:07 PM
Another thing you need to be aware of if its not already been mentioned is his love for certain players.

It's so frustrating that however badly they play you just know they will keep their place week in week out. Someone may come on for half an hour or so and have a blinder however come the next game it'll be the same old faces, ie Walters, Shotton, Wilson. Cresswell etc etc.

There were a few splits in the dressing room as fringe players knew that however well they played they would be out again next game.

TP can be such an infuriatingly stubborn person at times.

Sounds like Brunt will be around for a while then. :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on January 30, 2015, 08:41:21 PM
Sounds like Brunt will be around for a while then. :D
No it sounds like he will expect players to perform.
I think Brunt will have to or out.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 04:25:20 PM
I think Pulis will keep us up, but I genuinely preferred Irvine. Bad manager but at least he was a nice guy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on January 31, 2015, 04:26:28 PM
I think Pulis will keep us up, but I genuinely preferred Irvine. Bad manager but at least he was a nice guy.

Nice guys finish last :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 31, 2015, 04:29:05 PM
Didn't Irvine get us a win at Spurs? Not happy with today at all. Lescott at left back? Deary me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 31, 2015, 04:30:09 PM
i dont like the 442 formation at all, doesn't suit us
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GREGMT on January 31, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Bad day at the office for Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 05:55:03 PM
I'm fed up of hearing how we need players, we need full backs, we need pace, we need wingers, we need creativity

We could of started today

                       Foster

Gamboa  mccauley.    Lescott.   Pocognoli

               Yacob.        Morrison (Mulumbu)

Mcmanaman.      Sessegnon.       Varela

                       Berahino

Instead we got 4 centre backs, no creativity, no pace, no variety. I think most of us would pick a formation/team not to far away from the one above if given the chance. I also think that team stays up comfortably if managed correctly.

Especially in home games Berahino needs to start up top on his own. His main attribute is getting in behind defences and his finishing. Id argue without that he doesn't actually bring to much more to the team. With Anichebe playing he pushes the defences back so deep Berahino doesn't have the room to make those runs and isn't nearly as effective.

We've only got 2 match winners in the entire squad in Berahino and Sessegnon. One cant get in the team any more and the other one is being sacrificed so we can boot it up to the big man. Pulis can argue all he wants he can only work with what he's got and he needs players but theres no excuse for the team he put out today, or the way he set them up.

Its a lazy comparison but this board would be in meltdown if we saw that selection from Irvine

     
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 05:58:24 PM
I'm fed up of hearing how we need players, we need full backs, we need pace, we need wingers, we need creativity

We could of started today

                       Foster

Gamboa  mccauley.    Lescott.   Pocognoli

               Yacob.        Morrison (Mulumbu)

Mcmanaman.      Sessegnon.       Varela

                       Berahino

Instead we got 4 centre backs, no creativity, no pace, no variety. I think most of us would pick a formation/team not to far away from the one above if given the chance. I also think that team stays up comfortably if managed correctly.

Especially in home games Berahino needs to start up top on his own. His main attribute is getting in behind defences and his finishing. Id argue without that he doesn't actually bring to much more to the team. With Anichebe playing he pushes the defences back so deep Berahino doesn't have the room to make those runs and isn't nearly as effective.

We've only got 2 match winners in the entire squad in Berahino and Sessegnon. One cant get in the team any more and the other one is being sacrificed so we can boot it up to the big man. Pulis can argue all he wants he can only work with what he's got and he needs players but theres no excuse for the team he put out today, or the way he set them up.

Its a lazy comparison but this board would be in meltdown if we saw that selection from Irvine

     
Another good post Astle1968. *Awaits response of "you don't seem them in training... blah blah blah"*
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on January 31, 2015, 06:05:51 PM
Peace needs to back him now with the players he feels we need to do well. Pulis was last season's manager of the year, he will do a good job when given the tools to succeed. The only issue I have is the left back situation, don't understand why Lescott is chosen over Pocognoli or Baird. There's too many players here that have underperformed for a while now, the midfield area especially needs to be improved.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 06:06:57 PM
I buy the 'dont see them in training' argument to a point.

However, Pulis didnt bother to watch Varela or Blanco before sending them packing. They may well not have been good enough but his mind was made up before he had seen them play. If we had kept Kiely and Downing you could make a case for Pulis taking their advice on them but with them gone theres no explanation for them both being gone straight away.

I don't need to see them in training to know Lescott at left back is a terrible idea
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 31, 2015, 06:07:33 PM
Totally agree with Astle1968's posts.

Pulis can talk about this side being unbalanced but you're not helping when you persist with Lescott at left back whilst leaving a perfectly competent left back on the bench.

No doubt the board will bend over backwards for him in the next couple of days too. This squad if managed appropriately might be good enough to survive, however, we won't win games if he continues to have us defending our penalty box until we inevitably fall behind.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on January 31, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Lets just say we sign Taylor for £4m. Are Mcmanaman and Taylor a £9m upgrade on Poco and Varela?

Considering this is 'toughest job' and he needs an instant impact I'd argue not, and neither significantly increase or decrease or chances of survival and certainly not to the tune of £9m
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 06:33:08 PM
Lets just say we sign Taylor for £4m. Are Mcmanaman and Taylor a £9m upgrade on Poco and Varela?

Considering this is 'toughest job' and he needs an instant impact I'd argue not, and neither significantly increase or decrease or chances of survival and certainly not to the tune of £9m
I'd say if anything that's a downgrade. That's what you get when you put Pulis in charge of funds though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on January 31, 2015, 06:36:14 PM
The side-lining of Poco is a hard one to work out. He's no shrinking violet and thought he would be Pulis' type. I don't think Pulis is anti-foreign just anti untried foreign.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wimbledon baggie on January 31, 2015, 06:41:42 PM
I buy the 'dont see them in training' argument to a point.

However, Pulis didnt bother to watch Varela or Blanco before sending them packing. They may well not have been good enough but his mind was made up before he had seen them play. If we had kept Kiely and Downing you could make a case for Pulis taking their advice on them but with them gone theres no explanation for them both being gone straight away.

I don't need to see them in training to know Lescott at left back is a terrible idea

We are all baffled by this illogical selection at left back so I can only conclude this is a " I'm in charge here, I pick who I want and I've got the biggest balls" statement that TP is making to everyone at the club. Crass and undoubtedly contributed to our defeat today.
I have very little hope that new faces will arrive in the next 48 hours and even less hope that some of old guard midfielders will be moved on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on January 31, 2015, 06:45:00 PM
I'm fed up of hearing how we need players, we need full backs, we need pace, we need wingers, we need creativity

We could of started today

                       Foster

Gamboa  mccauley.    Lescott.   Pocognoli

               Yacob.        Morrison (Mulumbu)

Mcmanaman.      Sessegnon.       Varela

                       Berahino

Instead we got 4 centre backs, no creativity, no pace, no variety. I think most of us would pick a formation/team not to far away from the one above if given the chance. I also think that team stays up comfortably if managed correctly.

Especially in home games Berahino needs to start up top on his own. His main attribute is getting in behind defences and his finishing. Id argue without that he doesn't actually bring to much more to the team. With Anichebe playing he pushes the defences back so deep Berahino doesn't have the room to make those runs and isn't nearly as effective.

We've only got 2 match winners in the entire squad in Berahino and Sessegnon. One cant get in the team any more and the other one is being sacrificed so we can boot it up to the big man. Pulis can argue all he wants he can only work with what he's got and he needs players but theres no excuse for the team he put out today, or the way he set them up.

Its a lazy comparison but this board would be in meltdown if we saw that selection from Irvine

     

Couldn't agree more. Strength, solid midfield, width and a bit of pace.

That potential team is why I'm so frustrated at the moment.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on January 31, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
i wouldnt trust tp at all with money
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yamaka on January 31, 2015, 08:37:19 PM
I agree, and yet Pocognoli has been very decent for us when he's played (certainly much better than Lescott at left-back). I think we just need to face the fact that Pulis is a xenophobic moron

Ok I hear what you are saying and believe me I share your frustration. I have another theory I just want to put out there since I think this issue might go back a couple of gaffers.

I am still struck by TP's comment about unity. What if Johnny Foreigner isn't overly welcome in the dressing room? All this talk from players "welcoming competition" - surely rivals can be dealt with in many different ways?

My point is that we do not know what goes on behind closed doors and perhaps in ways it's best we don't but coaches/managers surely have to deal with all sorts of internal politics that affect the kinds of teams they can field. It takes time and money to change a culture and sometimes it pays to be pragmatic even if you have to take flack. The money's good  ;)

Either that or an even deeper theory about a conspiracy involving media moguls and the FA with the assistance of match officials keeping the club as a whipping boy for the top clubs and thereby protecting a multinational franchise  :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2015, 08:37:51 PM
It isn't going to be pretty , it won't appeal to some but we have to keep in mind TP is trying to straighten up a club that's been slowly sinking for nearly three seasons now with some pretty bad habits . He needs time and full backing from everyone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 31, 2015, 08:43:59 PM
It isn't going to be pretty , it won't appeal to some but we have to keep in mind TP is trying to straighten up a club that's been slowly sinking for nearly three seasons now with some pretty bad habits . He needs time and full backing from everyone.

I'm sure people are prepared to give him time and backing but he'll be testing patience early doors if we persist with players out of position. Most notably our best centre half at left back.

I just want to see Albion give it a good go but I don't think I've seen that from a Pulis team so far which is what will annoy many.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on January 31, 2015, 08:46:39 PM
Very disappointed with his team selection today.

It wouldn't take a 1.5 million plus salary to know that defence was simply wrong. And he wonders why we looked unbalanced

I give up with statements like that
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on January 31, 2015, 08:49:24 PM
I'm sure people are prepared to give him time and backing but he'll be testing patience early doors if we persist with players out of position. Most notably our best centre half at left back.

I just want to see Albion give it a good go but I don't think I've seen that from a Pulis team so far which is what will annoy many.
Agree Lescott at LB is shocking , I'm praying we see something more natural after the window shuts .The irony is i would have thought Poco would be his type , I'm sure he will get it right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on January 31, 2015, 09:10:09 PM
Holy Christ, what have we gone and done ?
I thought i knew what to expect with Mr Pulis, and welcomed his arrival, but if todays tactics are any indication of our future path,  how in the hell are we going to retain our sanity ?
Being honest, tonight... i am more worried now than i was in the last few days under AI.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: brianjohn on January 31, 2015, 09:17:40 PM
I guess some players had to be cut from the squad in order to make room for the replacements TP is going to bring in.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on January 31, 2015, 09:29:50 PM
See below a transcript of the questions Welsh journalists put to Cardiff Manager Russell Slade after Cardiff's latest defeat today. I wish our journos would stop pussy footing with Albion managers (past and present) and grill them with questions our supporters need answers to:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/russell-slade-transcript-cardiff-city-8556268
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on January 31, 2015, 09:40:35 PM
I cannot get round his thinking, playing lescott at left back where he looks shocking and yet have two left backs on the subs bench. baird didn't deserve to dropped.
why 2 left backs  on the bench.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on January 31, 2015, 09:44:42 PM
I'm not sure if he has genuinely lost the plot or his he trying to force JP's hand by playing Lescott at left back?
Lescott looked uncomfortable last week end he looked even more so this afternoon, if we can see that why can't Pulls?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on January 31, 2015, 09:57:22 PM
There is nothing thus far that was not entirely predictable from the rigid 4-4-2 to Lescott as makeshift LB. We don't have the players for Pulisball although with a couple of additions we will be closer to having a squad which can work to the system. However it is going to look at the very least disjointed until the summer when the squad gets the full Pulis treatment.

I would not expect much to change it might get more effective because we have players better suited to the style but the style won't change. I found today depressing and predictable in equal measure.

 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on January 31, 2015, 10:01:15 PM
Pulis is not the messiah we have been waiting for.
He has to stop the "parking of the bus and wait for the counter attack" idea against the top ten teams.
It was proved, today that this doesn't always work.
He has to accept, that at times "attack is the best form of defence".
Again, it wasn't until we were chasing the game, that the attacking option was employed.
When we started going forward we created problems for their defence.
We and Pulis must seize on this and carry it forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on January 31, 2015, 10:04:00 PM
See below a transcript of the questions Welsh journalists put to Cardiff Manager Russell Slade after Cardiff's latest defeat today. I wish our journos would stop pussy footing with Albion managers (past and present) and grill them with questions our supporters need answers to:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/russell-slade-transcript-cardiff-city-8556268
Massively agree with this. Great questions, and it's supposed to be Steve Madeley and Bill Howell's jobs to ask the kinds of questions the fans want answering, but it never happens. They're probably too scared.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on January 31, 2015, 10:30:15 PM
Pulis isn't perfect, he's not a miracle worker and today he got it wrong with the line-up and tactics. However, I also think he should be judged properly a few weeks after the window shuts.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on February 01, 2015, 08:34:55 AM
It's all well and good employing a 'park the bus' mentality away from home, but what about when you have to try and win your home games?

I agree to an extent that TP has been dealt a poor hand but that certainly shouldn't stop us having a go.

I think we should count our lucky stars that we somehow managed to beat Villa and Hull as really both of those games ought to have finished 0-0.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2015, 10:28:39 AM
The difficulty for me is that he saw that it didn't work very well against a Championship side in the cup so he decides to give it a go in the Premier League against a top ten side.  If it is his idea of making a point that he needs new signings then I'd sack him for gross misconduct. If, as I suspect,  it is the way he sees as the best way of moving forward then I am equally concerned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
The difficulty for me is that he saw that it didn't work very well against a Championship side in the cup so he decides to give it a go in the Premier League against a top ten side.  If it is his idea of making a point that he needs new signings then I'd sack him for gross misconduct. If, as I suspect,  it is the way he sees as the best way of moving forward then I am equally concerned.

If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 01, 2015, 10:37:49 AM
The difficulty for me is that he saw that it didn't work very well against a Championship side in the cup so he decides to give it a go in the Premier League against a top ten side.  If it is his idea of making a point that he needs new signings then I'd sack him for gross misconduct. If, as I suspect,  it is the way he sees as the best way of moving forward then I am equally concerned.

Agreed. If he was making a point through team selection that that is thoroughly unprofessional.  I think he must have been as there are two better players available in that position.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 10:38:47 AM
If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,

Oh and I forgot Gamboa.  Easily done.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2015, 10:45:11 AM
If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,
The players we had would have been good enough to keep us up under Irvine and should be good enough to keep us up under Pulis. It will not be easy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 01, 2015, 11:07:36 AM
There is no way we are going to turnover half the squad in the next 48 hours. If Pulis is still here in the summer I would anticipate quite a bit of activity but tomorrow I think he will have to make do with 2 or at most 3 additions.

The hand he has been dealt is no worse than Mel's Irvine's or Clarke's but he seems to be making the same mistake of trying to shoehorn the players he has into a fixed system rather than the way Hodgson approached it which was to look at the strengths of the players we have got and go from there.

The squad was not assembled to play Pulisball but I am sure given time he will get the players he wants and results will improve in the interim it is going to be lots more stuttering performances and on the face of it strange team selections.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: lewisant on February 01, 2015, 11:13:38 AM
If we don't get the right new signings tomorrow then we are stuffed because I don't think he's going to be able to do a Palace with the hand he's been dealt.

I don't think it will happen but my guess is that he would ideally want 6 or 7 out tomorrow, namely Dorrans, Ideye, Pocognoli, Sessignon, Brunt, Morrison and Gardner (plus Samares of course).   Those that survive tomorrow will be gone in the summer,

I think that's a little OTT, I don't think he'll be looking to be rid of Brunt, Morrison and Gardner. I think what he wants is new first teamers with those 3 being bit part players and subs. I wouldn't be surprised to see Dorrans, Ideye and Poco go but that'll only be if we sign players that play in those positions.

Maybe Sess was carrying a knock, he's started some games under Pulis and he's a decent option I'd be surprised if he goes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 01, 2015, 07:54:51 PM
if I was peace I wouldn't trust him in the transfer market,are we going to bring in a better full back than poco,or a better winger than sess,off course not and this joker wont play them,lescott at fullback after brum game is a disgraceful decision,he is our best centre half
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: johnnyg on February 01, 2015, 10:21:16 PM
Are we being spooked by the shocker against Spurs, or do i detect the first minor rumblings of discontent on here?
We all know he needs time, but if this is how Pulis intends to go, this is going to be damn hard to get used to.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 01, 2015, 10:24:16 PM
I've seen this mentioned briefly but these comments from Pulis are amazing

West Brom boss Tony Pulis took "some responsibility" for the 3-0 defeat by Tottenham, saying he was distracted by the closure of the transfer window
A Christian Eriksen free-kick and Harry Kane's double gave Spurs victory against a lacklustre Baggies side.
Pulis said he had been "working really hard" to try and bring players in ahead of Monday's transfer deadline.
"I have to look at myself and say 'have I given it as much as I could have given it this week?'" he added.
"Or have there been other things that have pulled me away from the most important thing - getting the players prepared for a game on Saturday?"
Defeat was West Brom's first in five matches under Pulis and he acknowledged he was "part of what happened".


If thats true and he's not just providing a soundbite its verging on gross negligence. I've said before I don't want Pulis in charge of bringing players in, partly because his record is poor and partly because I like to model we had in place. Obviously the results the last 2 years have been woeful in terms of player recruitment but I still think it's a case of right model wrong personel.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
if I was peace I wouldn't trust him in the transfer market,are we going to bring in a better full back than poco,or a better winger than sess,off course not and this joker wont play them,lescott at fullback after brum game is a disgraceful decision,he is our best centre half
according to the mirror lescott wants talks with pulis about playing at lb. he doesn't like it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 01, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
Are we being spooked by the shocker against Spurs, or do i detect the first minor rumblings of discontent on here?
We all know he needs time, but if this is how Pulis intends to go, this is going to be damn hard to get used to.

We all know Pulis needs time. However there are mistakes and then there are mistakes. Playing Lescott at left back is just mind boggling really and a lot of fans heads imploded over that one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: maccbaggie on February 01, 2015, 11:05:49 PM
according to the mirror lescott wants talks with pulis about playing at lb. he doesn't like it.
Second player gone public about being unhappy with Pulis' methods. Interesting.

Shows just how ridiculous the situation is that not only we can see he should be in the centre, but so does he. Pulis needs to bite the bullet and accept that, just because Pocognoli is foreign, doesn't mean he's not a good defender.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Strodder on February 01, 2015, 11:37:02 PM
Second player gone public about being unhappy with Pulis' methods. Interesting.

Shows just how ridiculous the situation is that not only we can see he should be in the centre, but so does he. Pulis needs to bite the bullet and accept that, just because Pocognoli is foreign, doesn't mean he's not a good defender.

I think this highlighting a couple of problems at the club. Firstly players need to do what the head coach tells them to. Prior to Pulis, fans were crying out a strong leader to "sort out" the players and give them a kick up the backside. Well, maybe he is so we can't  can't complain if the players don't like it. There will be some fall out along the way with Pulis  no doubt. Secondly we cannot continue to have players grumbling in public anymore it's unprofessional and damaging. This is not to say I can understand Lescott at LB, it is very odd and the only reason I can think if is that it is a way of getting some more height in the team but even so...maybe he wanted to see Dawson in the league??? Anyone?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 01, 2015, 11:39:53 PM
Think I fancy a tenner on Pulis as next Manager to leave a Premier League side.

If we have a disastrous window tomorrow then he will resign IMO
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 01, 2015, 11:42:58 PM
I think this highlighting a couple of problems at the club. Firstly players need to do what the head coach tells them to. Prior to Pulis, fans were crying out a strong leader to "sort out" the players and give them a kick up the backside. Well, maybe he is so we can't  can't complain if the players don't like it. There will be some fall out along the way with Pulis  no doubt. Secondly we cannot continue to have players grumbling in public anymore it's unprofessional and damaging. This is not to say I can understand Lescott at LB, it is very odd and the only reason I can think if is that it is a way of getting some more height in the team but even so...maybe he wanted to see Dawson in the league??? Anyone?


I think Poc is going to be sold tomorrow and TP didn't want that jeopardised by injury on Saturday, and so Lescott at left back was the most obvious stop-gap (although I'd have opted for Baird but I think he's quite possibly going to be sold tomorrow as well!).

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 01, 2015, 11:47:16 PM
As I have previously said...He is not the Messiah.
He has to learn as well.
We need someone in the mould of Hodgeson, who comes in...sees what we have and changes it to suit.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: graka on February 02, 2015, 07:22:42 AM
seems bizarre to have an international full back sat on the bench whilst playing baird there. even more shocking is playing your best centre half there infront of both of them. shocking decision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on February 02, 2015, 08:09:46 AM
Strange thing is the back four didn't need tampering with at all, Wisdom, McAuley, Lescott, Pocognoli are nearly as good as any back four in the league.  Back four subs speak for themselves

Strength and pace in the midfield is what's needed most, one of the fastest men in the club is sat on the bench or left out altogether is a right midfielder and right sided defender...Gamboa. 

With Yacob playing just in front of the back four breaking up play and making his usual short passes to link up play to Gamboa (right side) and Varela left side with Samaras playing just behind the pace of Ideye and Berahino as strikers.

I feel this would give us goal scorers in abundance and we would not be in the mess we are now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 08:40:12 AM
Strange thing is the back four didn't need tampering with at all, Wisdom, McAuley, Lescott, Pocognoli are nearly as good as any back four in the league.  Back four subs speak for themselves

Strength and pace in the midfield is what's needed most, one of the fastest men in the club is sat on the bench or left out altogether is a right midfielder and right sided defender...Gamboa. 

With Yacob playing just in front of the back four breaking up play and making his usual short passes to link up play to Gamboa (right side) and Varela left side with Samaras playing just behind the pace of Ideye and Berahino as strikers.

I feel this would give us goal scorers in abundance and we would not be in the mess we are now.

When you mentioned Samras was when your argument lost ccredibility for me.
The bloke looked uninterested and devoid of commitment, another one of our shambolic recruitment policy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 02, 2015, 09:22:28 AM
Think I fancy a tenner on Pulis as next Manager to leave a Premier League side.

If we have a disastrous window tomorrow then he will resign IMO
His credibility would be destroyed if he did and rightly so. Everyone in football knows how we operate with regard to transfers so it will not be a shock to him. He has made noises about it being his most difficult transfer window but I think this is just something to fall back on should he fail to keep us up.
He has had a great start, but got it completely wrong against Spurs, who, let's face it are more than capable of beating us if we put out a decent team and get a decent performance (we did neither on Saturday). He has accepted 'partial' responsibility for the manner of the defeat and admitted he has been distracted by the window.
I think we will see a few ins and outs today and then tomorrow morning the survival effort will start in earnest with everyone who's left fully focussed.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albion59 on February 02, 2015, 09:24:36 AM
Not going to knock pulis or anything he as done yet, he us our head coach and we have got to get behind, but i said to my mates at the game on Saturday that it just doesn't look right seeing pulis in our dug out wearing all the Albion gear, can't explain why,just it doesn't look right!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
Most likely throwing not only his toys but his cap too this time tomorrow
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on February 02, 2015, 09:30:13 AM
TP is not going anywhere. If he throws his toys out of the pram again, he would be unemployable. He realised the Lescott move was a disaster and is covering his mistake by blaming lack of focus on the transfer window.

We are bound to loose some games, there are three poorer teams then us in this league, we should stop moaning and start Supporting....or have we forgotten how to do that?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2015, 09:32:20 AM
TP is not going anywhere. If he throws his toys out of the pram again, he would be unemployable. He realised the Lescott move was a disaster and is covering his mistake by blaming lack of focus on the transfer window.

We are bound to loose some games, there are three poorer teams then us in this league, we should stop moaning and start Supporting....or have we forgotten how to do that?


I didnt say hes going anywhere, just a frosty relationship with JP for a while
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 09:34:38 AM
TP is not going anywhere. If he throws his toys out of the pram again, he would be unemployable. He realised the Lescott move was a disaster and is covering his mistake by blaming lack of focus on the transfer window.

We are bound to loose some games, there are three poorer teams then us in this league, we should stop moaning and start Supporting....or have we forgotten how to do that?

It's a two way street.
Give us something to support!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 02, 2015, 09:35:50 AM
and they certainly didnt give us that on the field of play Saturday
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on February 02, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
When you mentioned Samras was when your argument lost ccredibility for me.
The bloke looked uninterested and devoid of commitment, another one of our shambolic recruitment policy.

Samaras' last two games he was quite good only twice lost the ball tracked back and won it back again, he was astute enough to see Berahino was offside and played the through ball for Brunt to run onto, yes. I know it was only Gateshead but the pass had to be made.  He has good ball retention and can pick passes far better than Brunty, Morrison or Gardner and don't even start me on Dorrans( :( ).

Samaras is only my personal opinion it could have been Blanco or someone else if they won their chance to do it.

When Pulis availed himself at half time in the West Ham match I thought he had something I liked but then he rips the team to pieces my opinion is he is a control freak and will really mess the Baggies up for the next man who takes the reins.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2015, 12:58:11 PM
To those saying Pulis would be unemployable if he walked out. You are forgetting that this is the mad and crazy world of planet football.

He would probably walk into a new job by the end of the week, if he were not to be placed on 'gardening leave' following his resignation being rejected by Jeremy Peace. Unless of course there was a healthy wedge of compensation from any prospective future employer to ease his departure.

Rightly or wrongly he is a very employable manager with a reputation for getting the job done by hook or by crook.
I would imagine there would be chairmen tripping over themselves to employ him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 02, 2015, 01:01:46 PM
51/1 for Pulis as next Manager to go.

Time to put a fiver on.

 (http://www.oddschecker.com/******.com/football/english/premier-league/next-manager-to-leave-post[/url)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: SmethDan on February 02, 2015, 01:16:18 PM
Odds have dropped to 40/1 with several bookies now.
 ;).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 02, 2015, 01:23:32 PM
He'll be at Hull sooner than we think (IMO).

Why do I say that?
1. start with the premis that JP is a fan as much as a bean counter and has been watching the preformances
2. TP came in on the basis that he wants FULL responsibility for all things "football" including player recruitment.

JP would not have relinquished this control easily, now in his first window, he is admitting to getting distracted and taking his eye off the prime target, ie Winning points.  Now if I was JP the fan and bean-counter, I would be questioning a few things
a) Getting rid of players without assessing them (as bad as buying from videos??)
b) Playing best player out of position
c) leaving 2 specialists on bench when "accommodating" said best player out of position
d) upsetting best (& most highly paid) player to extent he goes public on his concerns
e) moving left back to bench following 2 clean sheets.
f) playing best forward player and clubs most valuable asset out of position
g) playing a loanee when an international is either on bench or left out completely.
h) leaving only flair player out when side is not creating any semblence of a creativity in front of goal
i) Continuing to play a clearly out of form captain.

Now maybe Poc, Gamboa are injured and Wisdom is contractually required to play if fit. If so TP can easily explain those issues, the rest,  I would expect JP to be "mildly interested in" and I doubt TP will be best pleased to be questioned over... Hence a major blow up is imminent in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Lloydy on February 02, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
It's a two way street.
Give us something to support!

Like a cup run and five games unbeaten before losing to a top six team who have spent a fortune assembling their team?

This knee jerk reaction to one defeat is absolutely pathetic. Time to judge is at the end of the season and even then it's all about results, not performances.

As for the moans about Lescott at left back, did he not win a title playing there for Manchester City? All of this because fans' favourite Pocognoli who jumps into tackles and beats his chest on the pitch has been dropped, despite not actually being that good. Paul Robinson all over again.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 07:01:45 PM
If your content to watch what we've been served every game since the turn of the year then please carry on.
Have you seen anything in those games to get you off your seat.
We went to Everton and parked the bus, we can't do that every week.
On Saturday after the initial 10 minutes we proved we could compete for the next 20, then couldn't be arsed after that.
I know its easy to support a winning team but we've been fed less than mediocrity now for too long.
Lescott may have been a left back but a blind man on a galloping horse could see he can't play there now.
He's not got the mobility, and that was plain for all to see against Birmingham and to play him there against Spurs shows utter disrespect to a quality player in my mind.
Poco may not be everyone cup of tea but he's the best left back we've got at the club so should be played there.
If he's not going to play Poco he should be putting Brunt in there and play Sess in front
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on February 02, 2015, 07:30:06 PM
cant wait until he leaves at the end of the season
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 02, 2015, 08:44:35 PM
Like a cup run and five games unbeaten before losing to a top six team who have spent a fortune assembling their team?

This knee jerk reaction to one defeat is absolutely pathetic. Time to judge is at the end of the season and even then it's all about results, not performances.

As for the moans about Lescott at left back, did he not win a title playing there for Manchester City? All of this because fans' favourite Pocognoli who jumps into tackles and beats his chest on the pitch has been dropped, despite not actually being that good. Paul Robinson all over again.
I can only assume you haven't watched the last 2 games with lescott at leftback,even he has said he is not comfortable there
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 02, 2015, 09:09:58 PM
Lescott has been one of our best players this season, however playing him at left back is such as strange choice. I wasn't a fan of Pulis a few years ago however he has grown on me. I think he will do a great job for us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 02, 2015, 09:48:47 PM
10 games if you go out for a draw = 10 points

10 games if you go for the win, you can win 4 and lose 6 it still = 12 points.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 02, 2015, 09:51:09 PM
10 games if you go out for a draw = 10 points

10 games if you go for the win, you can win 4 and lose 6 it still = 12 points.

Still probably not enough to keep us up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: MarkW on February 02, 2015, 10:27:54 PM
Still probably not enough to keep us up

Was just an example.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 02, 2015, 10:28:28 PM
As for the moans about Lescott at left back, did he not win a title playing there for Manchester City?

No.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 02, 2015, 11:23:16 PM
I will give TP time which is only fair Rome wasnt built in a day.I would be worried if he was satisfied with the team but the guy constantly states the team isnt good enough and needs better players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wba606 on February 02, 2015, 11:42:07 PM
I will give TP time which is only fair Rome wasnt built in a day.I would be worried if he was satisfied with the team but the guy constantly states the team isnt good enough and needs better players.
weve got good players but he isnt playing them, cancelled there loans and playing a negative formation
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: reynirver on February 03, 2015, 12:21:00 AM
maybe Pulis has balls to drop some old guard to give a youngster a chancw We can loan them out all we want but they will never be able to prove wether they are good enough if they dont get the chance here. We must have one pacey winger in our U21. If you look at how Brunt is playing it doesnt even matter if he is rubbish or not.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 03, 2015, 12:29:00 AM
I think his plan in this window was fairly simple; bring Olsson in to act as a pacey wing-back (for some reason he is oblivious to Pocognoli which is quite annoying). Anyway, this would add an element of counter-attacking quality which he's also trying to bring via Macmanaman who is meant to run at people and get forward.
Darren Fletcher is meant to be an upgrade on the midfielder who partners Yacob (Morrison/Dorrans/Gardner) - I assume he will be an improvement as they are very ordinary, so you can expect better passing options and accuracy with Fletcher involved (TP has been banging on about maintaining possession; think of Fletcher as a poor mans Carrick if you will, this should help us out big time)
Then Cole was a like-for-like replacement of Ideye, who has a better scoring record in England, albeit he would still mostly be a substitute, so not all is lost there.

I think IF Pulis can recognise Pocognoli/Gamboa's pace then he may be on to something and our fortunes will change, but it will be a bit harder now.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 03, 2015, 09:51:11 AM
We'll see what Pulis is really made of now. An unbalanced squad not suited to his normal game of pace and power. Hopefully he shows us why he got manager of the year last year!?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 03, 2015, 01:15:00 PM
I'll be interested to hear what he has to say about what happened (or, more importantly, what didn't happen) in the transfer window. He seems to have been having a lie-in this morning, as there have been no comments from him about anything at all so far today, but hopefully he'll surface this afternoon!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 03, 2015, 01:17:04 PM
considering his options i would think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 03, 2015, 03:22:00 PM
'Arry's just resigned from QPR, could TP be poached by Tony F?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 03, 2015, 04:06:29 PM
I will give TP time which is only fair Rome wasnt built in a day.I would be worried if he was satisfied with the team but the guy constantly states the team isnt good enough and needs better players.

No but since he's come in Pulis has basically found a team in a similar state to Baghdad and then gone around kicking down any building that was still standing.

I think the players we have are good enough to keep us up, evidenced by Irvine managing to keep us out the bottom 3. A half decent managr should manage it fairly comfortably.

I also think the squad now is pretty suited to Pulisball and that is what we will see from now on. As for unbalanced, if he had kept Varela/added a left winger and played the players in there best position I would argue our strongest 11 would have a really nice balance to it ironically containing plenty of power, pace and defensive steel which is what Pulis supposedly favours (although I'm yet to see any evidence that this is his preference)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 03, 2015, 04:13:09 PM
'Arry's just resigned from QPR, could TP be poached by Tony F?



great idea :o
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: robnewbold on February 03, 2015, 04:36:03 PM
Great idea......we could bring Downing back and we could set fire to the BRE and commit mass suicide.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Adder on February 03, 2015, 10:22:16 PM
Would love to know what's gone on behind the scenes this window. It's no secret that Pulis wanted another striker and another wide player.
Did he want Gestede and Sakho or similar ? Seems highly possible and if not those then similar players.
If he did, what happened ? Was it the case they were viewed as too expensive ?

If it was the case that they were valued at 1 or even 2 million more than we wanted to give, should we have had a bite on the bullet and gone ahead ? I suspect Pulis would have been happier and we'd have had more options in the squad.

Pulis is no doubt on a decent bonus if he keeps us up and that will be his focus. Given the money involved just to be in next years prem then no doubt staying up is JPs main focus also.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 03, 2015, 11:54:59 PM
I don't think he wanted a starting left winger. A striker definitely and an alternative (sub) winger possibly.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 04, 2015, 01:32:29 AM
No but since he's come in Pulis has basically found a team in a similar state to Baghdad and then gone around kicking down any building that was still standing.

I think the players we have are good enough to keep us up, evidenced by Irvine managing to keep us out the bottom 3. A half decent managr should manage it fairly comfortably.

I also think the squad now is pretty suited to Pulisball and that is what we will see from now on. As for unbalanced, if he had kept Varela/added a left winger and played the players in there best position I would argue our strongest 11 would have a really nice balance to it ironically containing plenty of power, pace and defensive steel which is what Pulis supposedly favours (although I'm yet to see any evidence that this is his preference)
Fair enough,TBH I think he wanted us to play like Palace not Pulisball,which is lightyears better than the Stoke style.Thats whyhe kept refering to players like Puncheon and Bolasie who has good skill and pace to stretch the opposing defences.Even the way he used Jerome although a battering ram used his pace to lead their line to that effect and thats the role he wanted Cole to play.Anichibe too unfit/immobile for that role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: joeymayo on February 04, 2015, 12:53:07 PM
Looking at the late attempts at recruitment its obvious Pulis was targetting a spine of the team - leader up front, leader in the middle and possible strengthening at the back. This goes against all the terrace managers who wished to replace our entire midfield - cue the vitriol from the stands in the coming weeks.
Maybe, just maybe Pulis trusts his lieutenants on the pitch and needs to add some generals to manipulate how he wants to play - lets hope this is the case - and can the supporters just support instead of becoming FLM recruits from the stands.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 04, 2015, 03:35:05 PM
I've seen no comments from TP regarding our transfer activities (or lack of them). Do you think he is still stewing? He can't be happy at all surely.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 04, 2015, 03:38:01 PM
Looking at the late attempts at recruitment its obvious Pulis was targetting a spine of the team - leader up front, leader in the middle and possible strengthening at the back. This goes against all the terrace managers who wished to replace our entire midfield - cue the vitriol from the stands in the coming weeks.
Maybe, just maybe Pulis trusts his lieutenants on the pitch and needs to add some generals to manipulate how he wants to play - lets hope this is the case - and can the supporters just support instead of becoming FLM recruits from the stands.

Well he's signed 2 new midfielders to add to Yacob (who I think most would agree is a shoe in at present). Had he signed Olsson then maybe he'd have used him wide midfield. After all he has always played with 2 quick wingers. I would say he's attempted to replace most of the midfield. Then again I can't comment as I don't have a coaching badge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 04, 2015, 04:58:16 PM
weve got good players but he isnt playing them, cancelled there loans and playing a negative formation
Funny that I thought he was pretty much playing the same ones as Irvine?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: smethwickw on February 05, 2015, 10:02:52 AM
Still no word from TP since the close of the Transfer Window I see.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kris_boing on February 05, 2015, 10:05:11 AM
Still no word from TP since the close of the Transfer Window I see.


Press conference will be Friday with our game being on Sunday I would think.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: fatboy_coach on February 05, 2015, 12:21:40 PM
Still no word from TP since the close of the Transfer Window I see.

To be fair after last weeks comment about taking his eye off the ball I'd expect him to be concentrating on the must win game at the weekend rather than chatting to journos.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 05, 2015, 12:22:22 PM
I think the upheaval the transfer window caused him before the Tottenham game, he is being totally focused on preparations for the Burnley game and rightly so.

They'll be time enough to comment on past events in due course. Lets let him get on with what is important, winning football matches to keep us up
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 06, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
Just watching soccer am best bits, and James Beattie was saying how he was head butted by a naked Tony Pulis in the showers. Wonder how long it will be before one of our lot get the treatment :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on February 06, 2015, 06:08:41 PM
Would love to have been a fly on the wall .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: timdon on February 06, 2015, 06:23:06 PM
Thought he spoke a lot of sense in his press conference, especially about Berahino. He seems likeable, with a sense of humour, and speaks a lot of sense. You can see that he would be a good motivator and would get respect from the players. I know people moan about the football not being pretty, but it needs to be with this group of players. We can better judge him next season, once he has changed the squad around and had a full pre season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 06, 2015, 06:50:27 PM
Thought he spoke a lot of sense in his press conference, especially about Berahino. He seems likeable, with a sense of humour, and speaks a lot of sense. You can see that he would be a good motivator and would get respect from the players. I know people moan about the football not being pretty, but it needs to be with this group of players. We can better judge him next season, once he has changed the squad around and had a full pre season.
Thought he dealt with those questions superbly , it hasn't been pretty but I still think he is the best option for us at the minute.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Brummie Road on February 07, 2015, 07:28:18 AM
Thought he spoke a lot of sense in his press conference, especially about Berahino. He seems likeable, with a sense of humour, and speaks a lot of sense. You can see that he would be a good motivator and would get respect from the players. I know people moan about the football not being pretty, but it needs to be with this group of players. We can better judge him next season, once he has changed the squad around and had a full pre season.

Totally agree, and have to say I really enjoy watching the clips on the Official Site of the end of week press conferences.

It's particularly refreshing to listen to a straight talker giving direct answers to direct questions (or as direct as possible - as I appreciate there are some issues that need to remain within the club rather than being broadcast publicly).

We've got a good man here to guide us through some difficult weeks ahead.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 03:51:30 PM
Pulis needs to sort out this poor start habit its very frustrating and hard to overcome,I am confident we can but time is the essence.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on February 08, 2015, 04:02:06 PM
cracking interview again, his comment about Foster made me chuckle.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 08, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
Pulis is god
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: paulosull on February 08, 2015, 05:15:34 PM
Didn't look to upbeat in his post match interview and was that a dig at the chairman when he mentioned only having three strikers!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 05:18:22 PM
Pulis is god

God at ruining a football club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 08, 2015, 05:19:46 PM
I never wanted him here and not impressed so far. Hopefully he can turn it round though.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 08, 2015, 05:26:05 PM
I never wanted him here and not impressed so far. Hopefully he can turn it round though.
Who would you have realistically wanted?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 08, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
God at ruining a football club.

Even though his last 4 clubs have been in a better stronger position when he left  :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 08, 2015, 05:42:43 PM
Who would you have realistically wanted?

Fair question and I dont really know. I understand why he was appointed but I have disliked his style of football for years and on that basis I was disappointed that he was suddenly seen as the saviour by so many of our fans.

That doesnt mean that I want him to fail. He is our manager and relegation isnt automatically followed by promotion. But what I have seen so far isnt encouraging. He does come across as a decent guy though.

It goes back to the Mel appointment for me. If the club had backed him we may be in a better place.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 08, 2015, 05:46:04 PM
Fair question and I dont really know. I understand why he was appointed but I have disliked his style of football for years and on that basis I was disappointed that he was suddenly seen as the saviour by so many of our fans.

That doesnt mean that I want him to fail. He is our manager and relegation isnt automatically followed by promotion. But what I have seen so far isnt encouraging. He does come across as a decent guy though.

It goes back to the Mel appointment for me. If the club had backed him we may be in a better place.
There was no one available from what I could see.
To be fair for a club in our position, he is a very good shout.
Mel was a nice man but I did not rate him at all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 08, 2015, 06:05:00 PM
Not afraid to make huge calls at a football club and that's exactly what we needed - ruthless and effective decision making.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 08, 2015, 06:25:32 PM
Six games in only one defeat against a very good team, the results have been pretty good. The first half today was awful, but we turned it around and got a result, we grafted very hard at Everton to get a draw we have a cup run going. At the time Pulis was the only real choice out there.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 08:00:05 PM
Six games in only one defeat against a very good team, the results have been pretty good. The first half today was awful, but we turned it around and got a result, we grafted very hard at Everton to get a draw we have a cup run going. At the time Pulis was the only real choice out there.
Spot on, we got a point at Burnley and people moan what if we were Man City who drew at home against the lowly Hull after having spent hundreds of millions.Point is its not the end of the world lets get behind the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 08, 2015, 08:06:23 PM
Spot on, we got a point at Burnley and people moan what if we were Man City who drew at home against the lowly Hull after having spent hundreds of millions.Point is its not the end of the world lets get behind the team.
People are moaning because whilst we may be picking up points, we are scraping results against out of form and weaker teams. Doesn't bode well for the future but agree we still have to get behind the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Even though his last 4 clubs have been in a better stronger position when he left  :)

Maybe just this football club then.

Although:

Stoke: Hated by the majority of Stoke fans, converted them from playing football to rugby, was gradually getting less points every season for his last 3 years. Not to mention being sacked first time round.

Palace: Threw his toys out the pram and left after having less money to spend.

Plymouth: Wouldn't say he did much there, or at any of his preceding clubs either really.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: CL3MO on February 08, 2015, 08:12:25 PM
People are moaning because whilst we may be picking up points, we are scraping results against out of form and weaker teams. Doesn't bode well for the future but agree we still have to get behind the team.

Yes and that's a future that we want in the Premier League. Give him a pre season with his own players and let's see what he does then. He will always be a direct and physical styled manager, however, with a solid few months on the training ground and his own players in, we might see the style shift to a more exciting counter attacking game (a style that needs the right personal - EG pace down the wings and a mobile, physical forward up top).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on February 08, 2015, 08:18:03 PM
Yes and that's a future that we want in the Premier League. Give him a pre season with his own players and let's see what he does then. He will always be a direct and physical styled manager, however, with a solid few months on the training ground and his own players in, we might see the style shift to a more exciting counter attacking game (a style that needs the right personal - EG pace down the wings and a mobile, physical forward up top).
If we go by his track record, it'll be mostly the same with no serious improvement, plenty of hoofing balls and negating the (admittedly half decent) midfield he'll have build, centre backs as fullbacks, massive lump on his own up top or a Little & Large combo.

 12th-16th place guaranteed but no more, and perhaps more importantly no less.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elkiellis on February 08, 2015, 08:21:19 PM
I wanted him here as he was the only viable option out there that was likely to keep us up,so far im not impressed his team selection in the fullback roles is ridiculous,what has poco done to upset him,i think we need 5 in midfield as we get overrun with only 4 ie spurs and burnley and the passing is rubbish,i hate to say this but I think Irvine would have got more than 1 point out of the last 2 games
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 08, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
The two things that have baffled me since TP took charge are: 1: Why hasn't he used Gamboa or Poco, two players with a reputation for attacking and defending? and 2: Why when he admits we lacked width did he get rid of Varela and Blanco without giving them a chance to prove themselves in the first team? It makes you wonder whether Burton is still having a major influence in team selections.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 08, 2015, 09:12:21 PM
The two things that have baffled me since TP took charge are: 1: Why hasn't he used Gamboa or Poco, two players with a reputation for attacking and defending? and 2: Why when he admits we lacked width did he get rid of Varela and Blanco without giving them a chance to prove themselves in the first team? It makes you wonder whether Burton is still having a major influence in team selections.

No it  is the way it is because Pulis wants it so there is no way that the TD picks the team or has any influence over team selection. Equally Pulis will have influence over transfers and there is no way that a player would have been shipped out against his will in January.

You can argue that the decisions are irrational but you cannot argue that Pulis is not his own boss.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2015, 09:18:24 PM
Couldn't believe him today. Bloody head banging stuff when I saw the team.

We finally get Lescott into his favoured position and instead he shifts Dawson to right back and we still remain totally disjointed. I would love to know why Pocognoli isn't being included. This whole makeshift defence that he has adopted is doing us no favours whatsoever as none of them look comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2015, 10:02:03 PM
Couldn't believe him today. Bloody head banging stuff when I saw the team.

We finally get Lescott into his favoured position and instead he shifts Dawson to right back and we still remain totally disjointed. I would love to know why Pocognoli isn't being included. This whole makeshift defence that he has adopted is doing us no favours whatsoever as none of them look comfortable with it.

I just do not get the full back thing going on at the moment, we are having to deal to many crosses as a result plus we have no width going forward.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 08, 2015, 10:04:53 PM
I just do not get the full back thing going on at the moment, we are having to deal to many crosses as a result plus we have no width going forward.

I don't think we will ever get width provided by our full-backs under Pulis. I have the feeling he'll march them into a rigid 4 which is why I think we may adopt the approach of four centre halves at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 08, 2015, 10:07:51 PM
If we go by his track record, it'll be mostly the same with no serious improvement, plenty of hoofing balls and negating the (admittedly half decent) midfield he'll have build, centre backs as fullbacks, massive lump on his own up top or a Little & Large combo.

 12th-16th place guaranteed but no more, and perhaps more importantly no less.
i heard loud and clear today him telling Sess to take on the wing back a far cry from Sess play it long to Saido
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
God at ruining a football club.

How many clubs has he ruined??

please expand on what can only be considered ridiculous comments
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 08, 2015, 10:26:08 PM
Maybe just this football club then.

Although:

Stoke: Hated by the majority of Stoke fans, converted them from playing football to rugby, was gradually getting less points every season for his last 3 years. Not to mention being sacked first time round.

Palace: Threw his toys out the pram and left after having less money to spend.

Plymouth: Wouldn't say he did much there, or at any of his preceding clubs either really.

completely unfounded, hated by the majority of Stoke?? can you prove that, every Stoke fan I know loved Pulis, he left them as an established Prem team and took them to a final..

Palace, turned them from relegation fodder into a comfortable mid table team and then left when he wasn't backed in the market.

Plymouth - yes it went wrong there, where are they now? I live in Cornwall, I work with Argyle fans, the problem was the ownership, every manager failed there hence why they are now in L2

seems you like to make unfounded claims and outlandish suggestions.

you don't like Pulis....just say it instead of posting incorrect information
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 10:45:36 PM
completely unfounded, hated by the majority of Stoke?? can you prove that, every Stoke fan I know loved Pulis, he left them as an established Prem team and took them to a final..

Palace, turned them from relegation fodder into a comfortable mid table team and then left when he wasn't backed in the market.

Plymouth - yes it went wrong there, where are they now? I live in Cornwall, I work with Argyle fans, the problem was the ownership, every manager failed there hence why they are now in L2

seems you like to make unfounded claims and outlandish suggestions.

you don't like Pulis....just say it instead of posting incorrect information

I have no problem saying I don't like Pulis, as have already alluded to and stated it, similarly I have already noted my disdain for the deluded section of our fanbase who frankly think the sun shines out of his rear end.

You only have to look on their fans forums to see that he divides opinion there and that there is a consensus in that the time was right for him to go. In fact many believe Hughes is an upgrade, you accuse it as outlandish yet offer no evidence to the contrary- rife with hypocrisy.

You class my comments as ridiculous yet the lugubrious ingemination of your statements, especially considering you serve only to undermine viewpoints rather than put over a coherent debate, is ridiculous.

As for my Palace point, it was used to show that he continually falls out with owners over transfers, he did it during his first spell at Stoke if I remember correctly. He spends loads of money of tat effectively. You like examples so feast on these: Kitson, Palacious, Adam, Jerome, Jones, Gudjonsson.

You cant cite the current Plymouth side as defence for his poor performance, that's a bit like me saying Jeremy Peace has failed at WBA because we've seen 9 managers/head coaches in 13 years of his reign.

I post an opinion, with arguments to back it up, you say it is incorrect yet you don't prove that. The points you have made are your opinion and by suggesting that mine are incorrect you are basically saying that your opinion is more informed than mine or superior to mine- something I wholeheartedly disagree with.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on February 08, 2015, 10:56:15 PM
You know what would be nice...

For everyone to realise the s**t we are in, and get behind a manager, make The Hawthorns a place opposition sides hate coming to and stick together.

Look at what we as a club acheived in unity under Megson. Yes there are a lot of forums for debate nowadays, social media etc. and yes, football in short is different to 13/14/15 years ago but it's sad to see so so many Albion fans bickering amongst eachother.

Not everyone is going to agree with the Head Coaches selections, methods or strategy but what we can't deny is that he wants what we want, and thats for us to push up the table and stay there. He has his football based opinions on what he thinks is best and I think he'll do us proud in his time at West Bromwich Albion.

He leaves clubs in a much better state than when he took over.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 08, 2015, 11:03:49 PM
I have no problem saying I don't like Pulis, as have already alluded to and stated it, similarly I have already noted my disdain for the deluded section of our fanbase who frankly think the sun shines out of his rear end.

You only have to look on their fans forums to see that he divides opinion there and that there is a consensus in that the time was right for him to go. In fact many believe Hughes is an upgrade, you accuse it as outlandish yet offer no evidence to the contrary- rife with hypocrisy.

You class my comments as ridiculous yet the lugubrious ingemination of your statements, especially considering you serve only to undermine viewpoints rather than put over a coherent debate, is ridiculous.

As for my Palace point, it was used to show that he continually falls out with owners over transfers, he did it during his first spell at Stoke if I remember correctly. He spends loads of money of tat effectively. You like examples so feast on these: Kitson, Palacious, Adam, Jerome, Jones, Gudjonsson.

You cant cite the current Plymouth side as defence for his poor performance, that's a bit like me saying Jeremy Peace has failed at WBA because we've seen 9 managers/head coaches in 13 years of his reign.

I post an opinion, with arguments to back it up, you say it is incorrect yet you don't prove that. The points you have made are your opinion and by suggesting that mine are incorrect you are basically saying that your opinion is more informed than mine or superior to mine- something I wholeheartedly disagree with.

We have lost one game since his arrival, he has been successful at every club he has been at, why the vitriol?

Get behind him and the team and see where it takes us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 08, 2015, 11:20:13 PM
We have lost one game since his arrival, he has been successful at every club he has been at, why the vitriol?

Get behind him and the team and see where it takes us.

First let me say I am behind the team, when I go to the games I do chant/cheer. In fact when I went to Spurs last week I was the only one chanting, everybody looked at me as if I was some sort of freak, and if you read back I was the one against the Berahino abuse.

I am vitriolic towards Pulis because I feel we have gone backwards under him in terms of performance, I think the style of play is naff. I don't expect champagne football but long balls to Sessegnon is pathetic.

If Pulis turns it round and is a success at the club I will be the first one to apologise and accept I was wrong, however I am allowed an opinion and I don't think his managerial skill is as good as people make out. Just because I state these opinions on here does not mean I do not support the club in the fullest.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: 17GD on February 08, 2015, 11:58:00 PM
And if we had Bomber still wearing the number 4 shirt, smashing in the goals we wouldn't be in this mess.

And if we still had Alan Miller in goal, we'd have a great GK and also be getting a few laughs each week.

And if we still had Gary Strodder in CD breaking a few legs, then we'd have a tighter defence.

But there are too many 'ifs' in those sentences...a lot like many other posts about AI still being in charge. People move on, by choice or force. We just need to get behind TP now.

I admit, to begin with I was livid at AI's appointment, but accepted it.

Now we've got someone who won't take any prisoners and doesn't pull his punches. We've had a big clear out over the past 12 months, something we've all been begging for, so let's just get on with it.

I watched MotD. Ok, they didn't show the whole match, but we didn't look too bad, apart from the odd thing in defence. But these things happen. We came back from 2 down today. The PL is a tough league and I think some people need to take a look at their own expectations and think about how realistic they are.

Well done, TP. Let's keep going.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbatillidie on February 09, 2015, 01:19:43 AM
Baffled as to why Pocognoli or Gamboa can't get a look in at fullback. People saying he prefers playing big centre backs there and to just defend but he was close to bringing in Martin Olsson on deadline day.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 09, 2015, 07:57:25 AM
You know what would be nice...

For everyone to realise the s**t we are in, and get behind a manager, make The Hawthorns a place opposition sides hate coming to and stick together.

Look at what we as a club acheived in unity under Megson. Yes there are a lot of forums for debate nowadays, social media etc. and yes, football in short is different to 13/14/15 years ago but it's sad to see so so many Albion fans bickering amongst eachother.

Not everyone is going to agree with the Head Coaches selections, methods or strategy but what we can't deny is that he wants what we want, and thats for us to push up the table and stay there. He has his football based opinions on what he thinks is best and I think he'll do us proud in his time at West Bromwich Albion.

He leaves clubs in a much better state than when he took over.
Managerless on the eve of a Premier League campaign?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 08:03:28 AM
Pulis is here for the long haul so get use to it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 09, 2015, 09:34:29 AM
Pulis is here for the long haul so get use to it
And his style which many are saying it is not the Albion way. Many want attractive football, I doubt they will see it.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 09, 2015, 09:40:29 AM
Pulis didn't play 4 central defenders across the back for Crystal Palace did he?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 09:42:30 AM
And his style which many are saying it is not the Albion way. Many want attractive football, I doubt they will see it.


to be fair we aint really played the Albion way on a regular basis since the late seventies, we are a long ball team over the last 30 yeras with the odd game of what you would call the albion way.
I am quite happy with our away performances under Pulis so far
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2015, 09:46:54 AM
And his style which many are saying it is not the Albion way. Many want attractive football, I doubt they will see it.

Its a myth though Kev, this Albion style, we have played attractive football for spells in our history, but far more often, we have played robust effective or ineffective football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 09, 2015, 10:03:43 AM
Its a myth though Kev, this Albion style, we have played attractive football for spells in our history, but far more often, we have played robust effective or ineffective football.
I suppose some fans consider Mowbray's way "attractive football" but it failed in the Prem.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: kc56wba on February 09, 2015, 10:07:47 AM
Its a myth though Kev, this Albion style, we have played attractive football for spells in our history, but far more often, we have played robust effective or ineffective football.
John, I was only repeating what many posters have said. Myself I don't care if we play rubbish for the rest of the season as long as we stay up, but could the fans put up with the Pulis style of play for more than one season.

Glyn you say that you are quite happy with our away performance but what about home performances? You have said you want to be entertained when we play at home? do you really think you will be with this style of play. Just a question buddy.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 09, 2015, 10:17:35 AM
There is no 'Albion Way'. Nobody was crying out for 'Albion' football during Megsons reign. Makes us sound like West Ham fans. In my time there only been Ardilles and Mowbray that really played that all out attack style were supposedly so famous for. The difference between Pulis and Megson is our expectations have changed, similar to how Stokes did and why the vast majority of loved the job he did there but couldn't wait to see the back of him by the end.

I loved the way we played under Mowbray and would love to see a return, but I'm not going to be on here complaining unless we have 70% of the ball each match. There loads and loads of ways to play exciting football and not all of them attacking but I genuinely cant think of a more boring style than the 1 Pulis employs.

In 4 games under Pulis we are still yet to score a goal from open play. In 2 away games we have had 1 opportunity from open play which was when the Burnley defender fell over. We have not created a single chance, and have not looked like  creating a chance. For the people wanting to give him time so he can bring in his own players and his own style I will say again that this is his style. In his last 4 seasons at Stoke the amount of goals they scored from open play were 16,19,14,14. So looking at that the best we can hope for is a goal from open play every 2 games. 28 goals from open play in his last 76 games. Forget about a ratio anything like that away from home. It actually angers me when we have Sky commentating on how well worked out set pieces are and that you can see how much work has been put in to them. I'd rather see a manager try and get a team passing the ball and keeping possession than spending all his time on the training ground working on corners.

As for Pulis changing style when he gets his own players, I think the players/formation being played are classic Pulis. We may see a few changes with players in and out and the summer but the style of player/game plan will remain the same.

4 Centre backs all strong in the air
Central midfield made up of hard working ball winners
1 hard working winger
Big man up top

All we will see is Berahino out and replaced with Cole/another target man and some of the fringe players replaced by a slightly higher quality replica. We wont be seeing 2 unpredictable 'match winning' wingers, we wont be seeing a creative number 10, we very likely wont see 2 full backs and we wont see a change in the style or approach from Pulis.

If it keeps us up then I'm sure that's enough for some people so I'm not looking to get in to a debate about it's efficiency (although I actually think were in more danger of going down now than when Irvine was here) but it's not entertaining and I think the approach is both embarrassing and cowardly. As Devon says though we may as well get used to it because it's almost certainly not going to be changing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 09, 2015, 10:18:59 AM
I have no problem saying I don't like Pulis, as have already alluded to and stated it, similarly I have already noted my disdain for the deluded section of our fanbase who frankly think the sun shines out of his rear end.

You only have to look on their fans forums to see that he divides opinion there and that there is a consensus in that the time was right for him to go. In fact many believe Hughes is an upgrade, you accuse it as outlandish yet offer no evidence to the contrary- rife with hypocrisy.

You class my comments as ridiculous yet the lugubrious ingemination of your statements, especially considering you serve only to undermine viewpoints rather than put over a coherent debate, is ridiculous.

As for my Palace point, it was used to show that he continually falls out with owners over transfers, he did it during his first spell at Stoke if I remember correctly. He spends loads of money of tat effectively. You like examples so feast on these: Kitson, Palacious, Adam, Jerome, Jones, Gudjonsson.

You cant cite the current Plymouth side as defence for his poor performance, that's a bit like me saying Jeremy Peace has failed at WBA because we've seen 9 managers/head coaches in 13 years of his reign.

I post an opinion, with arguments to back it up, you say it is incorrect yet you don't prove that. The points you have made are your opinion and by suggesting that mine are incorrect you are basically saying that your opinion is more informed than mine or superior to mine- something I wholeheartedly disagree with.

Yes those players failed...can you remind me how well they had done for their previous clubs which bought about their signings in the first place! Players do fail, yet a lot of those players had been very good for their previous employers.

you make statements like 'hated by the majority at stoke' and offer no proof of this. Im not making sweeping statements I'm simply replying to your post as you seem to think that YOUR opinion of someone is the be all and end all and therefore nobody else's matters, and yes I'm dissecting your post because I'm sick of reading posts on here from people who drop a few big words in and make statements that simply are not true and make out that they speak for the majority.

I am debating with you, just because I disagree entirely with what you are saying does not make me wrong or you right.

Its quite easy to pick apart someone when they offer a personal opinion but think its gospel and that everyone else should agree with them.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 09, 2015, 10:35:50 AM
Plenty of good managers who get lots of money to spend will waste some of it. Hodgson signed some expensive flops for Fulham. Mark Hughes signed a lot of rubbish for QPR on big money. Steve Bruce at Sunderland made some poor signings for big money too. How about the good signings Pulis made at Stoke and Palace that transformed Stoke from Championship struggles to an established Premier League team and Palace from bottom of the league to 11th. I see Ledley scored the winner for Palace at the weekend with Dann still a regular in the team.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 10:35:52 AM
John, I was only repeating what many posters have said. Myself I don't care if we play rubbish for the rest of the season as long as we stay up, but could the fans put up with the Pulis style of play for more than one season.

Glyn you say that you are quite happy with our away performance but what about home performances? You have said you want to be entertained when we play at home? do you really think you will be with this style of play. Just a question buddy.


Hello Kev, We have played 2 home games under pulis won and lost indifferent performances.
Yes i want to be on the edge of my seat especially at home and the last time that happened was Under Pepe Mel.
Under Pulis i cant see a drastic change in style between away and home performances. i am happy to see if he keeps us up what our playing style should resemble next season with his additions(perrish the thought).
What i do prefer about pulis is when i see him being interviewd, we can see and hear hes here to sort them out, he shows fire and passion in his belly and i like to see that especially on the touchline
My guess is he will serve his contract  but it wont be pretty.He will most likely fall out with the chairman in the summer over recruitment and just get on with it but he will keep us in the greed league, not so easy on the eye though
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 09, 2015, 12:25:39 PM
The sole task now this season is to keep us in the Premier league, a continued cup run would be nice, but, due to the inept first half of the season under Irvine, and a mixed January transfer window, we are where we are.

I don't think it is truly fair to judge Pulis until next season regarding playing style, this season, its just about survival and a pragmatic approach.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 09, 2015, 12:34:26 PM
While i accept the football so far hasn't been great and I'm baffled by a couple of things (Poco for one ) i don't think you can under estimate the mess he has arrived to , I'm not just talking this season either as you can go back 2 or 3 seasons for several bad key choices as a club .
Out of anybody interested in the job he is by far the best bloke for the situation IMO , there is no magic wand.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2015, 12:44:50 PM
What I don't understand is why the desire to play the ball on the floor with some pace is condemned and sometimes even ridiculed as being "fancy", tippy tappy" or "the fictitious albion way". 
despite what some would have you think this way of playing can be effective, it can be utilised either as all out attack or counter attacking dependant upon the game situation.

Do I like what I have seen so far from TP's side? NO I bloody don't,
Do I understand his team selections, No I don't.
Will I support him, yes this season, but, if its the same next season, I really don't know if I can, and it hurts to say that.
Some might say that makes me a fickle supporter, so be it,
I understand we need to "sort out " this season, but Pulisball is not a long term option for me.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JMullen95 on February 09, 2015, 12:59:21 PM
I suppose some fans consider Mowbray's way "attractive football" but it failed in the Prem.
With a half-decent keeper under Mowbray he would have kept us up comfortably, Carson cost us about 20 points that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 09, 2015, 01:01:42 PM
I don't think anyone sees Pulis as a long term solution but for the short term he is the right man. No its not going to be pretty but its a results business and so far this season they have not been good. We needed a strong character to come in and sort out a few issues that seem to be lingering. The existing coaching staff have gone and now it seems the team is ready to be evolved and a few of the strong settled regulars and going to be in for a shock if they haven't already noticed it.

No I don't agree with a few of his lineups but with the pursuit of Martin Olsson then he obviously has reservations of Pocognoli but has also seen that Lescott is not the right man to play there. Maybe after yesterday Brunt may find himself there as given Pulis like pace out wide then Brunt is going to struggle there and given how quick he was moved back out wide yesterday as in a couple of other games its obvious he is not up to a central role either especially with Mulumbu due back.

The rest of the season will not be pretty and the emphasis will be on not losing games and trying to get a result, others have had that attitude and failed trying due to lack of organisation and sloppiness from individuals. Pulis will pick up on that and as we have already seem those players may not feature as much as they would like. Our goals may only come from set-pieces and we'll see a lack of creativity at times. Again not much difference from what we have seen already this season but even at 2-0 yesterday we didn't feel out of it and I think thats one thing we will see that the squad will not be allowed to give up.

This will be another big Summer possibly the biggest so far and I expect a lot of changes with a couple of regulars being moved out to be replaced by Pulis type players, good thing or bad thing ? time will tell but some have been too comfortable for a while and the changes may do both us and them the world of good.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on February 09, 2015, 01:02:15 PM
To be honest, I think we've been very lucky under TP so far. Performances have been absolutely dire but we've got points on the board. How sustainable this will be for the remainder of this season is questionable to say the least.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2015, 01:04:40 PM
I do think that pulis's in-game reaction to situations that are not working is far better than Alan Irvine's. ie moving Chris brunt to a wide defensive role.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 09, 2015, 01:14:28 PM
With a half-decent keeper under Mowbray he would have kept us up comfortably, Carson cost us about 20 points that season.
With respect having one decent forward , a powder puff midfield and weak defenders cost us a lot more than Carson that season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on February 09, 2015, 01:26:36 PM
I wonder if Pulis thinks he might be in with a shout for the England job if he works wonders here?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: JMullen95 on February 09, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
With respect having one decent forward , a powder puff midfield and weak defenders cost us a lot more than Carson that season.
I agree with what you say, our defending at set pieces was awful, but I think Carson made our defenders look more awful half the time. Lately I've been seeing a regular debate as to whether you would rather see entertaining football or effective football. Personally, I would rather see us relegated than stay up the way we are playing at the moment. It's embarrassing to watch, and it's painful. I expect to be battered with abuse with what I am about to say now, but I would seriously rather have Irvine as manager
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2015, 02:37:54 PM
How anyone manages to keep us up is a miracle, its a shambles from top to bottom
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bring me sunshine on February 09, 2015, 02:48:35 PM
Being a stoke fan I have to say I was quite curious what you lot would make of  THE CAPPED ONE and I can assure you that he will divide you like no other.

 As a balanced view I can tell you at Stoke he is still loved by some in a rather creepy manner (Rimmers), hated unjustly by some (PHW’s - Pulis Hating Wan*instains) and appreciated by the rest. The truth is that all Stoke fans were very grateful of the work he did but probably 2/3 were glad to see the back of him. Turgid binary football, square pegs in round holes, playing his favourites, brawn above ability, 100 million yes 100 million up the wall I could go on but I’m sure you get the picture. 23 years out of the top flight and we were just happy to be back but after 3 years of progress leading to a cup final appearance we just stagnated, then regressed and in the end the vast majority just dreaded hearing the team sheet, which was always delivered by the lively and inventive Dave Kemp (running joke amongst Stoke fans). The post match radio phone ins were full of people totally depressed, constantly saying how dire the football was and that they weren’t going to renew season tickets and that was even after games we’d  won. I’d like to think he is capable of change and has the ability to advance a team to the next level but i guess we will only know if he’s still with you in 18 months. 

Anyway best of luck for the rest of the season apart from March 14th obviously and I hope you stay up, which you will comfortably, so our rivalry can continue for many years to come, its good for both of us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 09, 2015, 02:51:47 PM
I wonder if Pulis thinks he might be in with a shout for the England job if he works wonders here?

He wants to be the Welsh national manager before he eventually retires. But at the moment he loves the day to day involvement of a club football.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Legend on February 09, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
I agree with what you say, our defending at set pieces was awful, but I think Carson made our defenders look more awful half the time. Lately I've been seeing a regular debate as to whether you would rather see entertaining football or effective football. Personally, I would rather see us relegated than stay up the way we are playing at the moment. It's embarrassing to watch, and it's painful. I expect to be battered with abuse with what I am about to say now, but I would seriously rather have Irvine as manager

I do wonder if we would have gave him the signings he wanted in the Summer instead of the failed foreigners we signed what position we would be in. We played some good stuff at times under Irvine.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on February 09, 2015, 03:17:58 PM
I totally agree with you . We signed all these players and played none . Wouldn't it be nice if we could just once attack some one , play good football and win . The dross we are watching at the moment is depressing .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 09, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Being a stoke fan I have to say I was quite curious what you lot would make of  THE CAPPED ONE and I can assure you that he will divide you like no other.
Thank you for your insights. It'll be interesting to see what happens at Albion. I do have concerns that Pulis will turn us into what Stoke ended up as by the time he left.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 09, 2015, 08:04:06 PM
Anyway best of luck for the rest of the season apart from March 14th obviously and I hope you stay up, which you will comfortably, so our rivalry can continue for many years to come, its good for both of us.

Mostly good for you to be fair.

I remember the chants of 'We always beat West Brom'  :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 10, 2015, 12:14:40 PM
Havent posted for ages so apologies in advance for the long post!

Personally i dont think you can really judge somebody after 6 x games and even 6 x months may be a bit too soon, but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

The main positive i could see with Pulis was motivation and organisation, yet of late those things seem to of come unstuck.

Pulis will of done his homework on our squad before taking over and he must know they have the mental strength of a wet fart, for over a season now we have thrown away several 2 or 3 goal leads and in certain games surrended easily. Pulis is known as a motivator, 100% man, etc so i find it a bit concerning when he says this is his biggest challenge, that the job has got tougher after the transfer window, and when asked can we stay up, he says 'who knows, we will just wait and see'.

I think he is covering his own back incase we do go down, but i think it offers a group of players an excuse, many of whom shown to be quite cowardly when it comes to a battle, he should be saying and knowing what we do of Pulis that 'these players are more than good enough to stay in the league and its up to them to prove it and stay at West Brom in the future' What i have heard so far isnt the siege mentality i was hoping for, of course actions speak louder than words and credit for coming back from 2-0 behind on Sunday but i just think he is covering his back a bit and offer an easy way out.

I think the difference is is that at Stoke he did a great job and built them from a midtable Champ team to a established Prem team so he almost had free reign, the expectation was what he made it, at Palace they were dead and buried, nobody expected anything and again he did a great job and kept them up. At the Albion as we have been in the Premiership a number of years now its a different expectation, i think we do expect to stay up as for a number of seasons now teams have been coming up new to the league and we have stayed up so far and i think we would like a cup run (he is ticking the box on that front)

I think Irvine would of kept us up (i know not many agree) and i expect Pulis to keep us up, we have a squad that is better than 3 other teams, so far this season i think we have been in the bottom 3 once or twice and majority of it out of it so that would suggest we are better than 3 others as we now around 2/3rds through the season ? I know we have a hard run in, etc but as Sean Dyche said the other day, everybody has to play each other twice over the season so when you play them dont really matter.

It may of been covered elsewhere but i would be surprised if there isnt a optout the contract for both parties come the summer, if we go down i certainly expect Pulis to walk of his own accord, if we stay up then he may want another season. Personally i was surprised he took the job (money helps!) because as depressing as it is, i dont think he can really better what we achieved in the league under Hodgson and Clarke, we could have a cup run but i also think because of the expectations mentioned above, if we stay up, come next season i think our fans will want to be entertained, if he produces the football he did at Palace then great, but i think if its Stoke esque, then people will turn, at the moment his first aim is to keep us up so style of football, etc isnt important but it will be eventually. I think he would of been better waiting for a QPR or Leicester, having money and time, low expectation and build the club from there.

Style was i dont know what to think, against Hull it was a gritty battling performance, we got the win, job done. Everton away was dreadful to watch but again got a result and you could see the defence was organised at the expense of us offering an attacking threat, however the last couple of games, we havent looked organised at the back and havent improved massively in attack!

Like others i dont understand his team selection, as somebody said above surely a  player playing average in his own position is better than a good player playing badly there? If he doesnt rate Poco then fair enough, but short term til the end of the season surely he is better than out of position players there?  I rate him so not sure whats what there. Same goes with the Winger front, why not keep Varela til the end of the season, if we had got the wingers in he wanted then let him go but we didnt, so make use of him short term. Hodgson did it, when he came in he brought back in Meite and a couple of others, end of the season they were gone but they did the job short term, i cant understand why Pulis doesnt see that

My gut instinct of Pulis is that i think he is a good likeable bloke, who is clearly a very effective and successful manager at what he does, i think he will keep us up but i dont think long term we will be good for him and vice versa, i think there were other managers out there who could of come in, kept us up and maybe built something longer lasting, i think Pulis will be gone by end of next season latest and we go back to square one of another coach.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 10, 2015, 12:22:08 PM
Havent posted for ages so apologies in advance for the long post!

Personally i dont think you can really judge somebody after 6 x games and even 6 x months may be a bit too soon, but that doesnt mean there cant be concerns.

The main positive i could see with Pulis was motivation and organisation, yet of late those things seem to of come unstuck.

Pulis will of done his homework on our squad before taking over and he must know they have the mental strength of a wet fart, for over a season now we have thrown away several 2 or 3 goal leads and in certain games surrended easily. Pulis is known as a motivator, 100% man, etc so i find it a bit concerning when he says this is his biggest challenge, that the job has got tougher after the transfer window, and when asked can we stay up, he says 'who knows, we will just wait and see'.

I think he is covering his own back incase we do go down, but i think it offers a group of players an excuse, many of whom shown to be quite cowardly when it comes to a battle, he should be saying and knowing what we do of Pulis that 'these players are more than good enough to stay in the league and its up to them to prove it and stay at West Brom in the future' What i have heard so far isnt the siege mentality i was hoping for, of course actions speak louder than words and credit for coming back from 2-0 behind on Sunday but i just think he is covering his back a bit and offer an easy way out.

I think the difference is is that at Stoke he did a great job and built them from a midtable Champ team to a established Prem team so he almost had free reign, the expectation was what he made it, at Palace they were dead and buried, nobody expected anything and again he did a great job and kept them up. At the Albion as we have been in the Premiership a number of years now its a different expectation, i think we do expect to stay up as for a number of seasons now teams have been coming up new to the league and we have stayed up so far and i think we would like a cup run (he is ticking the box on that front)

I think Irvine would of kept us up (i know not many agree) and i expect Pulis to keep us up, we have a squad that is better than 3 other teams, so far this season i think we have been in the bottom 3 once or twice and majority of it out of it so that would suggest we are better than 3 others as we now around 2/3rds through the season ? I know we have a hard run in, etc but as Sean Dyche said the other day, everybody has to play each other twice over the season so when you play them dont really matter.

It may of been covered elsewhere but i would be surprised if there isnt a optout the contract for both parties come the summer, if we go down i certainly expect Pulis to walk of his own accord, if we stay up then he may want another season. Personally i was surprised he took the job (money helps!) because as depressing as it is, i dont think he can really better what we achieved in the league under Hodgson and Clarke, we could have a cup run but i also think because of the expectations mentioned above, if we stay up, come next season i think our fans will want to be entertained, if he produces the football he did at Palace then great, but i think if its Stoke esque, then people will turn, at the moment his first aim is to keep us up so style of football, etc isnt important but it will be eventually. I think he would of been better waiting for a QPR or Leicester, having money and time, low expectation and build the club from there.

Style was i dont know what to think, against Hull it was a gritty battling performance, we got the win, job done. Everton away was dreadful to watch but again got a result and you could see the defence was organised at the expense of us offering an attacking threat, however the last couple of games, we havent looked organised at the back and havent improved massively in attack!

Like others i dont understand his team selection, as somebody said above surely a  player playing average in his own position is better than a good player playing badly there? If he doesnt rate Poco then fair enough, but short term til the end of the season surely he is better than out of position players there?  I rate him so not sure whats what there. Same goes with the Winger front, why not keep Varela til the end of the season, if we had got the wingers in he wanted then let him go but we didnt, so make use of him short term. Hodgson did it, when he came in he brought back in Meite and a couple of others, end of the season they were gone but they did the job short term, i cant understand why Pulis doesnt see that

My gut instinct of Pulis is that i think he is a good likeable bloke, who is clearly a very effective and successful manager at what he does, i think he will keep us up but i dont think long term we will be good for him and vice versa, i think there were other managers out there who could of come in, kept us up and maybe built something longer lasting, i think Pulis will be gone by end of next season latest and we go back to square one of another coach.

A good measured post which I think pretty much sums up where we are.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 10, 2015, 08:46:21 PM
I agree with what you say, our defending at set pieces was awful, but I think Carson made our defenders look more awful half the time. Lately I've been seeing a regular debate as to whether you would rather see entertaining football or effective football. Personally, I would rather see us relegated than stay up the way we are playing at the moment. It's embarrassing to watch, and it's painful. I expect to be battered with abuse with what I am about to say now, but I would seriously rather have Irvine as manager
You start from defense any decent manager knows that.
It was powder poof under Mowbray. You could have had the best keeper in the World in the sticks.But would not have saved us. Where is he now?
TP for all your perceived criticisms. Is and has been a Premiership manager far longer than TM was and will ever be.   
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 10, 2015, 10:26:04 PM
Tony Pulis duped by pranksters.  ;D

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: caravanc58 on February 10, 2015, 10:37:25 PM
just read the article in the mail about his meeting with senior players on Tuesday. there always seems to be something wrong at the albion these days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 10, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
just read the article in the mail about his meeting with senior players on Tuesday. there always seems to be something wrong at the albion these days.

I just read that too, didn't see anything wrong, TP just wants them to move up a couple of knotches that's all.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 10, 2015, 10:55:10 PM
With respect having one decent forward , a powder puff midfield and weak defenders cost us a lot more than Carson that season.

Tony Mowbray's much maligned tippy tappy team (hate that nonsense term) was FAR inferior on paper to what we have now.

Yet the fact is that we are better now only by the slimmest possible margin IF we are better. So the fact is Tony Mowbray was getting much more out of his very slim resources than a number of managers have since. In fact, our much lauded and extremely well payed Premier League stars risk taking our infinitely more prosperous club down back into the Championship this season.

We didn't get relegated because Tony Mowbray played decent football, we got relegated because we didn't have a good enough squad for the Premiership. This year we should, on paper, have more than good enough players (albeit a poorly balanced and lopsided squad) to survive.

What do these facts tell you?

Tony Mowbray can have a good belly laugh if we go down this season, altough I am sure he is far too classy to do something like that and will be sad if we do.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 10, 2015, 11:04:01 PM
Mowbray has nothing to do with our current situation. However, he is a proven failed manager at Celtic and Middlesbrough were he did have superior funds to most clubs around him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 10, 2015, 11:16:03 PM
My original post was in reply to a previous poster blaming Carson for everything , lets not forget TM spent a fair amount on that squad on failures in Valero , Zuvi , Meite , Moore plus others . I liked TM but he was found out , our defending that season was awful overall and that didn't improve at Celtic or Boro ...I honestly thought he would improve defence wise after us but it seems worse.
The squad now should be doing a lot better , we know that ....it's gone slowly backwards since Clarke's first season .It tells me we have been poorly run over the last two seasons , now we are hoping Pulis can pull us out the mire in any style possible . It's been hard work watching us at times over the last few seasons , winning games would be a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2015, 07:00:27 AM
You start from defense any decent manager knows that.
It was powder poof under Mowbray. You could have had the best keeper in the World in the sticks.But would not have saved us. Where is he now?
TP for all your perceived criticisms. Is and has been a Premiership manager far longer than TM was and will ever be.
It is the accepted British way that you start from defense but I am sure historically world cup winners Brazil would disagree as some of their world cup winning defenses were quite poor in comparison to their rivals. Clichés alert :o the best form of defense is attack and its easier to play on the front foot than the back foot.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 11, 2015, 08:40:16 AM
Tony Pulis duped by pranksters.  ;D

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/west-bromwich-albion-fc/2015/02/10/video-west-brom-boss-tony-pulis-duped/)

Thought he came across as a decent helpful guy. Just as well!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 11, 2015, 08:46:09 AM
I was pleased to hear him say this yesterday, perhaps we may see a bit more attacking play tonight.

Quote
“We’ve become competitive and we look a little better within our shape, now we have to try and win a few games,” Pulis said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: seteefeet on February 11, 2015, 12:13:33 PM
I just read that too, didn't see anything wrong, TP just wants them to move up a couple of knotches that's all.
I got the impression that this was as much about attitude as technique. I think he wants the senior players to pull everything together, so that everyone is buying into the game plan.
Lescott has raised issue with playing LB
Foster has had some stick from fans
Brunt has lost the captaincy
Fletcher is the new broom.
All of the above could have caused discontent, so Pulis has called them together to get their heads up, act professionally and set an example to the younger members of the squad. Historically, this is what he is good at 'If you buy in, you are in, if you don't.....Goodbye', let's hope it pays off.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 11, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
He wants to be the Welsh national manager before he eventually retires. But at the moment he loves the day to day involvement of a club football.
He's got no chance think Warren Gatland is doing a excellent job for the welsh at the minute!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2015, 12:33:27 PM
He's got no chance think Warren Gatland is doing a excellent job for the welsh at the minute!

Did an excellent job on friday night ! Cheers Warren
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
It is the accepted British way that you start from defense but I am sure historically world cup winners Brazil would disagree as some of their world cup winning defenses were quite poor in comparison to their rivals. Clichés alert :o the best form of defense is attack and its easier to play on the front foot than the back foot.
Brazil have and had some very good defenders.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/18621/6120873/brazils-greatest-defenders
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 11, 2015, 06:17:27 PM
Brazil have and had some very good defenders.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/18621/6120873/brazils-greatest-defenders
Never said they had bad defenders but their defense was not as good as their rivals. They did not build a team around defending.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 06:59:42 PM
Never said they had bad defenders but their defense was not as good as their rivals. They did not build a team around defending.
They had a balanced side.Something TM never seemed to achieve.
Not sure about this "but their defense was not as good as their rivals." The fact they won so many World Cups says otherwise.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 11, 2015, 09:40:09 PM
Please don't play Dawson RB again makes Wisdom look world class
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 11, 2015, 09:58:45 PM
Please don't play Dawson RB again makes Wisdom look world class
Yet we got 3 points......Take it away!

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 11, 2015, 10:00:53 PM
Yet we got 3 points......Take it away!

I know crazy and they didn't even really create anything from it!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on February 11, 2015, 10:12:14 PM
4 more wins and job done
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 11, 2015, 11:16:01 PM
OK all you Pulis haters what was hoofball about tonight's victory? Ive just watched Man Utd on Match of the day and they were more YOUR stereotype  Pulis ball  than ever we were tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 11, 2015, 11:18:31 PM
Just 2 points behind Everton now.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 11, 2015, 11:52:51 PM
Just 2 points behind Everton now.....
The silence is deafening !!!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 11, 2015, 11:53:27 PM
OK all you Pulis haters what was hoofball about tonight's victory? Ive just watched Man Utd on Match of the day and they were more YOUR stereotype  Pulis ball  than ever we were tonight.

yes, far more entertaining, well done TP.  It is possible to play attractive and effective football
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 11, 2015, 11:57:10 PM
Just 2 points behind Everton now.....
Errm... 1 point.  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 12, 2015, 12:09:19 AM
OK all you Pulis haters what was hoofball about tonight's victory? Ive just watched Man Utd on Match of the day and they were more YOUR stereotype  Pulis ball  than ever we were tonight.

I don't care about United, nor do I hate Pulis or anyone. I am just relieved we saw the football I expected when Pulis came in, in contrast to pure Stoke type Pulisball or another flat Burnley like performance. Finally our players looked to express themselves and looked like they enjoyed themselves on the pitch. Sanity saved, phew!

It looks as if someone at the club reads this board tbh. Finally a bit of movement, speed and creativity going forward built on a solid base in the middle. Today for the first time this season we looked where we should be, a comfortable mid table team rather than relegation fodder.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 12, 2015, 12:34:46 AM
Errm... 1 point.  :D

Yes you are right.  I was looking at the league table just before Everton conceded !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggie Boy on February 12, 2015, 01:09:17 AM
Tonight proves a point, at Burnley we played without intensity, with long balls and no real passion or hunger. We were lucky to get a point.

Tonight we played some decent football, there was good link up play and handy initiative, we had a good defensive shape tonight.

On Sunday Pulis got it completely and utterly wrong, tonight he was spot on! Time will tell but I for one am hoping we see more of what we saw tonight.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on February 12, 2015, 01:30:46 AM
Some questioned the appointment of Pulis pointing towards his apparent complete lack of ability in terms of getting his sides to play 'football' rather than the rugby his Stoke side used to play, at times.

Yes there will be moments when we have to go more direct, but I don't think people should confuse this with us adopting Stoke-esque strategies. Pulis has today got us playing quick-tempo, decent, attacking football using the wings and instructing his players to keep pushing high, this will win us games. This isn't hoofball. We may see a return to those tactics at some point but every team reverts to that style at some point in certain situations.

Let's judge Tony Pulis on now, and what our team do now. During his transtitional period of six weeks we've built at the back and as we move forward through his time at the club I've no doubt we'll see football that's a bit more pleasing on the eye than some would suggest and more importantly we'll win football matches.

COYB.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: iwastherein68 on February 12, 2015, 06:35:39 AM
If what we saw last night was the Pulis "blueprint* then I am happy with it. Organisation, teamwork, commitment,belief
and for the first time in a long time the players looked as if they enjoyed it. I think that when TP is able to change a few more players in the summer, this club can start to make its mark in the Prem second group and keep well clear of relegation battles.Very encouraged. Nice to see a manager tactically aware too. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: frazzle on February 12, 2015, 07:16:35 AM
Tonight proves a point, at Burnley we played without intensity, with long balls and no real passion or hunger. We were lucky to get a point.

Tonight we played some decent football, there was good link up play and handy initiative, we had a good defensive shape tonight.

On Sunday Pulis got it completely and utterly wrong, tonight he was spot on! Time will tell but I for one am hoping we see more of what we saw tonight.

Agreed. I was hugely encouraged last night and it just goes to back up my view that we could have won that Burnley game if we had played with the same intensity and intent.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on February 12, 2015, 07:49:03 AM
When I got home last night I watched the game again on Sky. What I hadn't picked up sitting in the East Stand was how vocal Pulis is!

On the TV he could be heard over the crowd yelling at the players, getting instructions over, geeing people up.

Can't fault his enthusiasm!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 12, 2015, 08:14:23 AM
if last night was an indication of how TP wants to play, i'm all for it.
thought mozzi had good burst game, he's still quick ,for an old un ! :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 12, 2015, 08:31:39 AM
Yes there will be moments when we have to go more direct, but I don't think people should confuse this with us adopting Stoke-esque strategies. Pulis has today got us playing quick-tempo, decent, attacking football using the wings and instructing his players to keep pushing high, this will win us games. This isn't hoofball. We may see a return to those tactics at some point but every team reverts to that style at some point in certain situations.
What would you say the 36% possession we had yesterday (in a home game) is indicative of?

Although they were talking about Man Utd, I saw some interesting stats on Sky the other day, where we have played more long balls than any other team in the Premier League so far this season - more than 1000. That figure was nearly 200 more than the third team in that list (Hull). Obviously this can only partially be down to Pulis, but it is a telling statistic nonetheless. In their stats, Sky were distinguishing been long balls and long passing, which implies that long balls are effectively hoofs.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albion79 on February 12, 2015, 08:32:12 AM
If thats how Pulis wants to play then is fine by me!

I thought we played good football at times, went direct at times, workrate was non stop and just a very enjoyable game and performance.

I hope we carry on in that vein, home and away because teams will have a lot of the ball when we are away (like Swansea although we were at home) but the style last night worked and showed we can play that way.

Whatever Pulis said to them after Sunday and in his chat with the senior players, it worked!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 12, 2015, 08:41:20 AM
When I got home last night I watched the game again on Sky. What I hadn't picked up sitting in the East Stand was how vocal Pulis is!

On the TV he could be heard over the crowd yelling at the players, getting instructions over, geeing people up.

Can't fault his enthusiasm!



This is exactly what i like to see from the team leader, i love his interviews too. i can cope with his football for now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on February 12, 2015, 08:55:50 AM


This is exactly what i like to see from the team leader, i love his interviews too. i can cope with his football for now

Nice to hear in last nights interview that he is desperate to win the cup tie.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2015, 08:56:25 AM


This is exactly what i like to see from the team leader, i love his interviews too. i can cope with his football for now

Nothing wrong with his footbal last night. Best performance on home soil for many months
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 12, 2015, 09:00:12 AM
The fact is Pulis seems to be aware of a need for a plan B - something we badly missed last season and the first half of this. I'm sure we wouldn't have got as many points out of the last few games if we still had Clarke, Mel or Irvine in charge. Pulis seems to be a great organizer and is a 'Mr Motivator' (hopefully without the lycra) and knows when to press certain buttons with players - he switched on Ideye's lights anyway. He seems to want to build a solid core from which we can then go on to play with pace and power. It seems to be getting there but will take time and certainly the summer and maybe the one after that to bolster the plan. I think the early signs are very good but we all need to focus on getting another 4 wins and a couple of draws to be sure this year , then we can think about how we play a bit more progressive football which will cmoe if we're solid and get in some new attackers.

The most pleasing thing is that the players are responding to him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 12, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
I don't care about United, nor do I hate Pulis or anyone. I am just relieved we saw the football I expected when Pulis came in, in contrast to pure Stoke type Pulisball or another flat Burnley like performance. Finally our players looked to express themselves and looked like they enjoyed themselves on the pitch. Sanity saved, phew!

It looks as if someone at the club reads this board tbh. Finally a bit of movement, speed and creativity going forward built on a solid base in the middle. Today for the first time this season we looked where we should be, a comfortable mid table team rather than relegation fodder.

Halleluia to this, after the recent dour displays, & players playing out of position, I was in despair of us ever seeing an attack again, last night was a breath of fresh air. May it long continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 12, 2015, 09:18:11 AM
The club cant really win either way to be fair, Im happy for us to give the reigns to Pulis to work as the last 2 years has been incredibly frustrating, we just beat a good swansea side 2-0 at home superb lets kick on and see where we can finish, I guarentee the ones asking for good football attacking and expansive would be the same ones moaning if we got relegated.

I wouldnt trust our recruiting department to bring in three or four players who can carry out that way if im being honest hence why we havent had a half decent winger in 2/3 years.

Would be good to see berahino play in an albion team which flourished as i think he could bag 20 goals but you also need the wingers and the rest of the midfield to be agressive when getting forward, I dont think we would acquire the parts to play that way with the suits we have at the club at the moment, Hence why im a fan of the pulis movement.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 12, 2015, 09:26:01 AM
The club cant really win either way to be fair, Im happy for us to give the reigns to Pulis to work as the last 2 years has been incredibly frustrating, we just beat a good swansea side 2-0 at home superb lets kick on and see where we can finish, I guarentee the ones asking for good football attacking and expansive would be the same ones moaning if we got relegated.

I wouldnt trust our recruiting department to bring in three or four players who can carry out that way if im being honest hence why we havent had a half decent winger in 2/3 years.

Would be good to see berahino play in an albion team which flourished as i think he could bag 20 goals but you also need the wingers and the rest of the midfield to be agressive when getting forward, I dont think we would acquire the parts to play that way with the suits we have at the club at the moment, Hence why im a fan of the pulis movement.

I'm really struggling to see what the Pulis detractors want, P8, W4, D3, L1, the best record an Albion manager has had for a long while.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on February 12, 2015, 09:37:38 AM
I'm really struggling to see what the Pulis detractors want, P8, W4, D3, L1, the best record an Albion manager has had for a long while.

You're right about his record, however to be fair before last night the performances had been at best dour and at worst dull.

The guy in front of me, who has followed Albion home and away, and internationally too for fifty one years,  was saying before the game last night how unhappy he was with the style of football being played and its negativity. He went on to say he wasn't coming against West Ham, his first home absence for years.

At the end of the match he turned round smiling and said "See you Saturday then".

Positive intent, and an attacking winning side is what people want. We don't have to be Barca, it's just better if we're not Stoke.



Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 12, 2015, 09:40:23 AM
What would you say the 36% possession we had yesterday (in a home game) is indicative of?

Although they were talking about Man Utd, I saw some interesting stats on Sky the other day, where we have played more long balls than any other team in the Premier League so far this season - more than 1000. That figure was nearly 200 more than the third team in that list (Hull). Obviously this can only partially be down to Pulis, but it is a telling statistic nonetheless. In their stats, Sky were distinguishing been long balls and long passing, which implies that long balls are effectively hoofs.

Interesting about the long ball stats. I suppose it's down to the methodology used.

The stats used in the link below suggest we are by no means the most reliant team on long balls in the PL.

The stats are based on the number of short passes to long balls ratio. Our ratio is 4.8 short passes made for every long ball, which puts us in 14th position.

Just another perspective to consider.

http://talksport.com/football/revealed-pl-clubs-most-and-least-reliant-long-balls-150211136015?

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 12, 2015, 09:47:32 AM
You're right about his record, however to be fair before last night the performances had been at best dour and at worst dull.

The guy in front of me, who has followed Albion home and away, and internationally too for fifty one years,  was saying before the game last night how unhappy he was with the style of football being played and its negativity. He went on to say he wasn't coming against West Ham, his first home absence for years.

At the end of the match he turned round smiling and said "See you Saturday then".

Positive intent, and an attacking winning side is what people want. We don't have to be Barca, it's just better if we're not Stoke.

Getting results at the moment is more important than playing style, its time for a pragmatic approach by everyone, team, fans and manager.

Win the next 4 league games, we can then all relax and hopefully enjoy the season end and Pulis can mould the team into what he wants.

If he stays, I can see Pulis being as popular as Megson, maybe more so.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wbastrollers on February 12, 2015, 10:09:40 AM
I'm really struggling to see what the Pulis detractors want, P8, W4, D3, L1, the best record an Albion manager has had for a long while.

Some would prefer a 21% win record ;) however, this is just 1 win and with this team it will be a struggle to keep away from the relegation battle. We can only secure our Premiership standing if we play as a team, not as individuals  (Yes I am thinking of Berahino),so Pullis has his work cut out to instill  camaraderie into this club and that includes the fans, something that has been lacking since Pepe Mel was here.  I saw a glimpse of that on Wednesday night - albeit on a stream, I am not able to attend as much as I would like. 

 Pullis made an excellent signing in Fletcher not just because of his skills and energy on the pitch, but also his whole - hearted enthusiasm for the team and supporters.

This won't be an easy ride, it will be one hell of a roller-coaster! then again whats new at the Baggies!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 12, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 12, 2015, 10:21:11 AM
Rome wasn't built in a day!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 12, 2015, 11:36:41 AM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.

I thought we played well throughout, the tempo was much better & I thought we were unlucky not to be in front at half time. I said to my mate at H/T "this is the first game in a long time, I think we will win"
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on February 12, 2015, 11:53:11 AM
survival first whatever it takes, then we look at the style and how that can improve
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wardy65 on February 12, 2015, 12:08:05 PM
Going up to the game last night I had pretty much no confidence at all that we'd come away with any more than a point, against a good Swansea team. I base that on our previous 2 performances, where we stood off & watched the other team play around us & coast into 2 goal leads.
Came away beaming like a Cheshire cat, after a thoroughly deserved 2-0 win, in which we never looked like conceding. Played some decent stuff too, with the move that lead to Mcmanaman shooting over in the first half springing to mind.
More of the same please Tony & you'll have us safe & with a trip to Wembley in the offing!
Ok, I know ...  I'm getting carried away now!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: FallOutBoy on February 12, 2015, 12:55:05 PM
I think last nights tactics were dictated by the absence of Anichebe to be honest. As good as it was to see a Hodgson-esque performance of quick, passing attacking play, I think it was only really because Ideye and Berahino were up front.

Looking at the bench I wondered if Olsson was there just in case we were losing and he wanted to go long ball.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 12, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
I notice TP has started calling us "The Albion " instead of  "Albion " as he was when he first arrived in his after match work , not daft is he ?  :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tuamigos on February 12, 2015, 01:36:12 PM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.

Compared to what we've had to sut through since last August I thought I was watching Barcelona last night.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 12, 2015, 03:54:15 PM
The 1,2 passes between Brown and Saido was nice to watch
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alwaysbilly on February 12, 2015, 06:01:14 PM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.
? At half time I was pleased as we had controlled a team that have previously out footballed us on our home patch (as well as theirs) and had the game won at half time numerous times.

I see Pulis yelling at Mozza and McManaman to get forward with the ball and really drives the players forward.

This performance gives us hope - determination, discipline and forward thinking - results are all that matter until May, I came away last night feeling pretty good about us staying up.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: bry on February 12, 2015, 06:25:52 PM
For the remainder of this season playing style goes out the window, we have to stay up by any means possible.  I will judge Pulis’s ‘style’ next season when he has had a summer to shape the squad, however I’m slightly perplexed at those who suggest that this was some sort of champagne performance, the first half was pretty dismal, we improved in the second as we did on Sunday.

Cracking result.
I can't believe some peoples prejudice against Pulis. The play last night didn't fit the perceived stereotype  that some people have so now we have to judge him next year when he might play that way. Ok lets swap Pulis for Lambert he plays a passing game and not hoofball. Oh yes and give them Fletcher as well because he doesn't fit the Pulis stereotype either.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on February 12, 2015, 06:28:31 PM
Really like the guy, players always respect him. He is so full of energy during games, it's great to see an Albion manager get the team going and not just stand on the sidelines looking clueless
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 12, 2015, 06:49:27 PM
I'd like to see more of what we saw in the second half. A bit of intent, good movement and the ball played along the floor.

If Pulis manages that then I'm sure we will all be happy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 12, 2015, 07:47:50 PM
For the guys who want to see what it will be like next season. Palace uploaded a 7 minute video of a TP pre season. Emphasis on discipline, strength and direct play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cMrdWFd5pk
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 12, 2015, 07:50:08 PM
I can't believe some peoples prejudice against Pulis. The play last night didn't fit the perceived stereotype  that some people have so now we have to judge him next year when he might play that way. Ok lets swap Pulis for Lambert he plays a passing game and not hoofball. Oh yes and give them Fletcher as well because he doesn't fit the Pulis stereotype either.
I can understand the concerns about Pulis. His record on paper here is good and that is what the London media look at as we know historically they have little clue about what is actually going on at our club. Prior to last night, our performances have been poor (and sometimes abject) against some weak and out of form teams. The only decent team we have played gave us a good hiding. Last night was a good performance but also against a team who has just sold their best player and had their most creative player serving the last game of a suspension. It could be suggested that Pulis' hand was forced to put the team out that he did with the injury to Anichebe and having let go any other options.
However, last night was encouraging, and hopefully he will recognise showing some attacking intent is not a bad thing and at the end of the day if Pulis gets it right then West Brom get it right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on February 12, 2015, 10:49:40 PM
We've needed a Proper manager since Hodgson left, someone who has a bit of experience/nous when it comes to setting a team up to play against various opposition/players , not just a coach or a 2nd in command with potential . were not always going to end up winning , but I feel were in with more of a shout now , things might just be starting to click .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 13, 2015, 10:29:54 AM
Pulis is God, keeps us up he should get manager of the season(again) and a slice of the new pie
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Blakey on February 13, 2015, 01:21:23 PM
Tony Pursil loves clean sheets lol
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on February 13, 2015, 01:28:53 PM
I hope the Swansea game was more of a 'prototype' of things to come and he doesn't revert to type for the West Ham game, I think that team would have the beating of the 'ammers, no Fletcher of course but perhaps Mulumbu could be fit and ready for that game or maybe...dare I say it again....Gamboa in the midfield.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on February 13, 2015, 02:54:11 PM
I notice TP has started calling us "The Albion " instead of  "Albion " as he was when he first arrived in his after match work , not daft is he ?

Motty always calls us The Albion too doesn't he on motd
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Marcus on February 13, 2015, 11:56:27 PM
I see the Daily Express are reporting that the Vile have made enquires about his availability and any release clause.......

How's about F**K OFF !!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 14, 2015, 12:45:03 AM
No surprise there, he's the ideal man for the job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 14, 2015, 01:51:59 AM
God I hate seals.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on February 14, 2015, 04:47:58 AM
I see the Daily Express are reporting that the Vile have made enquires about his availability and any release clause.......

How's about F**K OFF !!!

Doubt this is true, if it is what is it about those arrogant pricks from Witton taking local managers.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on February 14, 2015, 05:00:02 AM
He ain't going to Villa....

Why would you? They're in disarray on and off the pitch with an owner who wants money back not put money in..

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on February 14, 2015, 08:59:10 AM
He is seven weeks into a two and a half year deal with us. One of the worst newspaper rumours I have ever read. I notice not even the sun or the mirror have run this terrible story.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BB74 on February 14, 2015, 09:04:54 AM
He ain't going to Villa....

Why would you?
They're in disarray on and off the pitch with an owner who wants money back not put money in..

Like it or not, they are a bigger club than us and it would be the biggest gig of his career so far.

I don't want him to go though so Villa can do one!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 14, 2015, 09:17:29 AM
The Swansea game was the best I have seen us play in a long time, the top two pressed the Swansea defence, lead to poor passes. The link up with Sadio and Brown was good. Morrison made a number of good runs with the ball. Flecther and Yacob were excellent. We moved the ball a bit quicker than in recent games that I have seen.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 14, 2015, 09:25:25 AM
In life timing is everything, for TP to go to VileNila now, is the wrong time  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 14, 2015, 09:34:50 AM
The Swansea game was the best I have seen us play in a long time, the top two pressed the Swansea defence, lead to poor passes. The link up with Sadio and Brown was good. Morrison made a number of good runs with the ball. Flecther and Yacob were excellent. We moved the ball a bit quicker than in recent games that I have seen.
who is missing go figure......Anichibe we can now press higher and faster.Anichibe needs to get in shape too much weight thats why he is so injury proned.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: B_H_Baggie on February 14, 2015, 09:49:48 AM
We play the London media darlings this afternoon so its no surprise that the London media print a story to try and unsettle us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LoxleyBaggie on February 14, 2015, 10:00:39 AM
If you sack a manager/couch you can keep them on gardening leave until their contract is up so I can't see how we would voluntarily permit someone to buy up Pulis' contract when we have no intention of letting him go.  Media nonsense. 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 14, 2015, 10:25:50 AM
There's not much around, so I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Villa hadn't made an enquiry. The one that gives me the greatest concern is QPR: who is Tony Fernades' dream manager? They would have the money to buy players in the summer, & Gerry Francis is an ex QPR player.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie38 on February 14, 2015, 10:30:59 AM
There's not much around, so I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Villa hadn't made an enquiry. The one that gives me the greatest concern is QPR: who is Tony Fernades' dream manager? They would have the money to buy players in the summer, & Gerry Francis is an ex QPR player.

They've appointed the caretaker manager for the rest of the season. This Pulis to villa talk is merely written by the London press to unsettle us today.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 14, 2015, 10:41:13 AM
They've appointed the caretaker manager for the rest of the season. This Pulis to villa talk is merely written by the London press to unsettle us today.

Correct, & I can't see Pulis leaving now, but I could see him going to QPR in the summer if they stayed up. Fernades, has an agreement with somebody to take over at the end of the season.
As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Villa had made an enquiry: not just about Pulis, but other Managers also, they will be shopping around, as will Leicester.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on February 14, 2015, 10:50:38 AM
Correct, & I can't see Pulis leaving now, but I could see him going to QPR in the summer if they stayed up. Fernades, has an agreement with somebody to take over at the end of the season.
As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Villa had made an enquiry: not just about Pulis, but other Managers also, they will be shopping around, as will Leicester.

Not even worth speculating about. QPR don't even know what division they will be in next season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on February 14, 2015, 01:39:28 PM
"Tony Pulis. I played under him at Portsmouth so I know how he likes to play. It's not complicated - get the ball down and pass it." - Steve Claridge

Suggests when we hoof it, its our players lack of confidence rather than instructions
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 14, 2015, 01:58:53 PM
Claridge has changed his tune, he didn't have a good word to say about him while he was there. Probably because he was after the job himself!

He ended up replacing Pulis as manager and lasted half as long as him. With a much worse record.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 14, 2015, 04:53:23 PM
What a performance today,our best for several years and a delight to watch
What was noteable for me was that every one of those players was available to a Alan Irvine and a supposedly great coach would easily have got them relegated
It has taken a decent manager 6 weeks to turn them into a team
Lesson learnt hopefully for Jeremy Peace than you need managers !!!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 14, 2015, 04:57:36 PM
The longer Pulis has with the group the more they will improve, I expect comfortable top 12 and dream of a cup final.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 14, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
Long ball football? I saw none of that today. It was a great performance. He has worked wonders with Brown, Morrison has improved his game a lot more over the last couple of matches. We have more goals in us and have picked up five clean sheets since Pulis has been in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 14, 2015, 08:52:03 PM
Long ball football? I saw none of that today. It was a great performance. He has worked wonders with Brown, Morrison has improved his game a lot more over the last couple of matches. We have more goals in us and have picked up five clean sheets since Pulis has been in charge.
But look how he played his sides at Stoke!!  Witter...witter !! ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 14, 2015, 09:15:39 PM
But look how he played his sides at Stoke!!  Witter...witter !! ;D

Glos you were a huge Irvine fan
You must by now see that your loyalties were totally misplaced and Pulis has taken only 6 weeks to sort the same players that Irvine used into a proper team
You need to stop trying to justify your misplaced loyalty to that Bufoon Irvine and admit that you could not have been more wrong
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Oldbaggie on February 14, 2015, 09:44:40 PM
To me TP have been a revelation, totally different to what I expected when he was appointed, although to be honest I couldn't have cared less if it was hoofball as long as we stayed up. After the tactically inept AI, watching the games under TP has been a pleasure as I can now see a pattern in our play whereas before it was like watching an under 5's kick about in the park. Whether it is TP alone or the input of ideas from him and a fresh coaching team it appears to be working, so well done JP for both the change in manager and the change in coaching staff. I now look forward to games with hope in my heart rather than despair.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on February 14, 2015, 10:01:47 PM
Pulis knows how to win games and it simply stems from hard work from each and every player

He wants to win games but more importantly he doesn't want to lose them and if that means sacrificing a bit of attacking flair then so be it as long as we stay in the PL - that's what it is ALL about these days

But as we saw today his teams can be attractive to watch - thought we looked a threat every time we went forward today and 6 or 7 would not have flattered us at all - one of the best performances I have seen for a very long time

Three cheers for "Pulisball"   ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: alex1 on February 14, 2015, 10:30:58 PM
I was always anti-Pulis because of the way Stoke played, and because I believe that Albion are a club with a footballing tradition. However....I have seen very little 'hoofball' since he has been at West Brom. And maybe..he has changed his football philosophy a bit, and why shouldn't people learn and develop their original ideas. Today against West Ham, was an excellent all round performance, that was every bit as entertaining as anything I have seen over the last few years. 
Of course, you can only play to the strengths of the players at your disposal, something I have heard TP say. (Pity by the way that it is usually used as an excuse to play unattractive football). However, on this occasion maybe our players were taught good technical skills, and it just needed someone like TP to add greater discipline and organisation. When you look at the starting XI against West Ham, none of these were actually Pulis signings. So like alot of pundits used to say, we have a good set of players. But clearly there was some ingredient lacking under Irvine, that  TP has brought in.
I must say I am also pleasantly surprised by the players TP has brought in as both Fletcher and McMannaman are skilful creative players.
Therefore, the TP we have is not the one I thought we would get and I hope we get more of the same.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 14, 2015, 10:33:17 PM
Glos you were a huge Irvine fan
You must by now see that your loyalties were totally misplaced and Pulis has taken only 6 weeks to sort the same players that Irvine used into a proper team
You need to stop trying to justify your misplaced loyalty to that Bufoon Irvine and admit that you could not have been more wrong
Rubbish.
No, I supported him as he was our mgr. I never diss managers in site.As like to give a chance.
I would have taken TP 5  years ago.
Does that clear it up for ya?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 15, 2015, 09:14:49 AM
Pulis is God, keeps us up he should get manager of the season(again) and a slice of the new pie
Pulis is no God. Pulis has got results with some poor performances along the way which has bred some confidence in a group of players who were always capable of playing football.  He has also got all the crowd back on side which makes it easier for the players on the pitch. He does have his hands tied in some respects by the players that he has available to him, they almost pick themselves, and the long term future under Pulis (and style) will be interesting.  I also think we have been fortunate in our run of fixtures under him so far. The form of West Ham coming into the game yesterday was not the same as when we played them earlier in the season and losing Carroll and two first choice centre halves will have had an impact, but you still have to win these matches and we did comfortably.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: GrGr on February 15, 2015, 10:00:32 AM
Nobody is God, or perfect.

Just the fact that Pulis was seriously considering signing Carlton Cole tells me we need to get in someone competent at scouting targets this summer, and not let TP anywhere near our transfer kitty without adult supervision.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 15, 2015, 10:25:56 AM
The West Ham and Swansea games were good to watch good football and we made it very comfortable for ourselves. We have also managed to get results in tight games such as Hull, Birmingham and at Everton which is a sign that if needs must we can grind out a result but also play good easy on the eye football like Yetserday.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on February 15, 2015, 10:38:18 AM
I can't believe some peoples prejudice against Pulis. The play last night didn't fit the perceived stereotype  that some people have so now we have to judge him next year when he might play that way. Ok lets swap Pulis for Lambert he plays a passing game and not hoofball. Oh yes and give them Fletcher as well because he doesn't fit the Pulis stereotype either.
Good points raised he was on MOTD last night saying how Albion have different strengths to Stoke and Palace and its all about finding the system to suit the players.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 15, 2015, 10:40:23 AM
Nobody is God, or perfect.

Just the fact that Pulis was seriously considering signing Carlton Cole tells me we need to get in someone competent at scouting targets this summer, and not let TP anywhere near our transfer kitty without adult supervision.

Don't let him sign a big lump up front and we will be all right. In general I would not rush to judge a manager either way. It would be nice to have one for more than a season so we can look at his impact in the round. At the moment we are have benefited from a short term uplift but Head Coaches need to be judged over the long term.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: halifax_baggie on February 15, 2015, 11:18:52 AM
Isn't the real reason some of us don't like Pulis is his Stoke side kept beating us, whether or not we played better or looked better, or had 90% of the play.

They kept winning by whatever means it took. if you keep losing you get to eventually dislike the winner just because they keep winning no matter what you do. We saw Stoke as upstarts being promoted, playing a style of football we didn't like, having more money than us, buying players we wanted (just like Newcastle, Hull, West Ham and now Crystal Palace, Southampton etc.0

Maybe we were a little bit jealous and peeved.

It's the past lets get over it and support our HBW and the team ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on February 15, 2015, 11:33:39 AM
The last two and a half matches show that TP is totally versatile with his style of play. We have been an absolute joy to watch the last two games, some of the best flowing football seen for many a year. 6 goals scored in two games and NOT ONE from a set piece! We haven't got the typical Pulis type players at the club so Pulis has had to adapt his own methods, that was never going to happen overnight, and yet within 6 weeks he has now found the shape he wants and it's already paying dividends. That shows the pure class of the man as a manager, and more importantly as a 'man-manager'. Brunt has been a revelation at left back, a total natural. He has got more time on the ball and his ability to pick a pass is a blessing for a full back. Dawson also looks very comfortable and relishing in his freedom to push on too Morrison looks a different player, as obviously does Bobby and Berahino looks interested and enjoying himself at last!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Dexy on February 15, 2015, 11:37:05 AM
Early days but maybe he doesn't want to build another Stoke ? , he did tour a lot of clubs watching all sorts of things during his break from football . It could be we are wrong to assume on Pulis and his plans for us although I enjoyed his Palace side much more than Stoke.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on February 15, 2015, 11:47:08 AM
Isn't the real reason some of us don't like Pulis is his Stoke side kept beating us, whether or not we played better or looked better, or had 90% of the play.

They kept winning by whatever means it took. if you keep losing you get to eventually dislike the winner just because they keep winning no matter what you do. We saw Stoke as upstarts being promoted, playing a style of football we didn't like, having more money than us, buying players we wanted (just like Newcastle, Hull, West Ham and now Crystal Palace, Southampton etc.0

Maybe we were a little bit jealous and peeved.

It's the past lets get over it and support our HBW and the team ;)
I don't know if some people don't like TP because of this but hopefully we might become their bogey team ::)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 15, 2015, 11:56:02 AM
Early days but maybe he doesn't want to build another Stoke ? , he did tour a lot of clubs watching all sorts of things during his break from football . It could be we are wrong to assume on Pulis and his plans for us although I enjoyed his Palace side much more than Stoke.
I think you make a very good point with that post. We have seen how he managed very different clubs and got them performing.
Some games we will need to "Park the bus" others attack.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VANDERLEI on February 15, 2015, 12:10:52 PM
The thing people need to realise about Pulis is that he is not effective because of a particular tactic, his teams win games because of the discipline and fitness regime along with the way he drills his teams in keeping a solid, consistent shape. He has a fantastic ability to get a bunch of players playing as an organised unit and brings the best out of his players. We can see proof of this already with our squad.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 12:13:50 PM
I think you make a very good point with that post. We have seen how he managed very different clubs and got them performing.
Some games we will need to "Park the bus" others attack.

I think Pulis is an expert in working with what he has, when Stoke got promoted, he had a squad of barely adequate players and adopted a style that suited players of limited technical ability (narrow pitch, long ball, very robust style, resolute defence), they stopped up.

We tried to play football with players of moderate ability, poor defensively and got found out and relegated.

Its a good man who knows his limitations.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 15, 2015, 01:15:48 PM
I think Pulis is an expert in working with what he has, when Stoke got promoted, he had a squad of barely adequate players and adopted a style that suited players of limited technical ability (narrow pitch, long ball, very robust style, resolute defence), they stopped up.

We tried to play football with players of moderate ability, poor defensively and got found out and relegated.

Its a good man who knows his limitations.
I agree. Good post a bit Djemba-Djemba if I may say LOL!!! 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2015, 02:34:02 PM
If performances like yesterday are what we come to expect throughout his tenure then he'll win the majority of the fan base over very quickly. Yesterday has everything I want to see from an Albion side - movement, intention, pace, passing, pressing - all of which produced some very entertaining football and brushed aside a very good West Ham side.

I would hope having seen the performances against Swansea and West Ham yesterday that Pulis will drop the intention of playing for 0-0s as we have seen previously.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 15, 2015, 02:47:14 PM
I think Pulis is an expert in working with what he has, when Stoke got promoted, he had a squad of barely adequate players and adopted a style that suited players of limited technical ability (narrow pitch, long ball, very robust style, resolute defence), they stopped up.

We tried to play football with players of moderate ability, poor defensively and got found out and relegated.

Its a good man who knows his limitations.
exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 15, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
If performances like yesterday are what we come to expect throughout his tenure then he'll win the majority of the fan base over very quickly. Yesterday has everything I want to see from an Albion side - movement, intention, pace, passing, pressing - all of which produced some very entertaining football and brushed aside a very good West Ham side.

I would hope having seen the performances against Swansea and West Ham yesterday that Pulis will drop the intention of playing for 0-0s as we have seen previously.
i think that was experimental and not knowing fully what he has and playing it safe to get a point rather than get an hiding and deflate the teams morale
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on February 15, 2015, 02:55:30 PM
That's correct, he wanted/needed to bank some points asap.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
I would think TP is quite optimistic today, I think most of us felt, this was a squad capable of much better, it is better than squads of past seasons based on the number of internationals, with the quality of the academy this is a club that can do something in the next year or two
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on February 15, 2015, 06:34:20 PM
noticeable improvement in fitness levels under TP , when we stared off the Swansea game pressing and chasing down I did wonder if we could maintain that for the full 90 mins . maybe this is one of the reasons dorrans isn't required any longer .
Has anyone else noticed that now we've started getting reults , opposition mangers have been making comments such as "we didn't turn up" or "our tempo wasn't up to it's normal level" etc ... ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 06:39:46 PM
noticeable improvement in fitness levels under TP , when we stared off the Swansea game pressing and chasing down I did wonder if we could maintain that for the full 90 mins . maybe this is one of the reasons dorrans isn't required any longer .
Has anyone else noticed that now we've started getting reults , opposition mangers have been making comments such as "we didn't turn up" or "our tempo wasn't up to it's normal level" etc ... ?

I know we have said similar in the past.

When Lee Travino was accused of being 'Lucky' He said "Funny thing is, the more I practice, the luckier I get".
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: AlbionFan on February 15, 2015, 06:42:39 PM
I know we have said similar in the past.

When Lee Travino was accused of being 'Lucky' He said "Funny thing is, the more I practice, the luckier I get".

I thought Gary Player was accredited with that saying  ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on February 15, 2015, 07:28:42 PM
We now have a manager who his at his peak, knows the premiership as good as any and is the best we could have ever hoped for and yesterdays match fills me with hope and excitement i have not felt for a long time.
Morrison is a different player as well as Brunt.
Dawson was very good and the pressing for the whole game was excellent.
Lets all get behind this bloke and stop looking for reasons to dislike him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on February 15, 2015, 07:49:28 PM
noticeable improvement in fitness levels under TP , when we stared off the Swansea game pressing and chasing down I did wonder if we could maintain that for the full 90 mins . maybe this is one of the reasons dorrans isn't required any longer .
Has anyone else noticed that now we've started getting reults , opposition mangers have been making comments such as "we didn't turn up" or "our tempo wasn't up to it's normal level" etc ... ?
We have had this for years, both from opposition managers and fans, and the media.
We should have realised by now, we NEVER play well, the opposition are just p**s poor
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on February 15, 2015, 07:54:00 PM
Hopefully the comparisons, mentions and talk of 'hoofball' are binned now.

Pulis simply plays each game in the manner he see's fit to get the result required. It won't always work, but with the renewed determination, organisation and belief amongst the squad, if it doesn't wok one week, it will the next.

Complacency had set in. New gaffer, new coaching team, new captain, new ideas.

Let's hope we keep this up. Yesterday was the most I've enjoyed a game at home for a long, long time.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on February 15, 2015, 08:00:17 PM
I thought Gary Player was accredited with that saying  ;)

I read it in Lee Travino's book, having done a quick google search its not clear if it was Travino or Palmer.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 15, 2015, 08:05:55 PM
Let's hope we keep this up. Yesterday was the most I've enjoyed a game at home for a long, long time.

I echo this statement.

Tony Pulis and the boys set themselves a blueprint to match for the remainder of the season yesterday. That is the benchmark we've set.

Now is where we need to start hopefully adding some consistency to our game which has been long missing.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: charliemike on February 15, 2015, 08:08:00 PM
A few weeks ago I said to a friend wouldn't it be great for a change to watch us play well and win well . Yesterday was that day . Well done tp .
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Yardley on February 15, 2015, 08:21:51 PM
I think he just works with his strengths. At Stoke they were a big team with a good thrower and he played on that directness and followed it through, but at palace he had pace so played a counter attacking game. I'm not sure whats he's got at the Albion but he's seems to be finding the best out of them from yesterday's results as they all played brilliant.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 15, 2015, 08:25:20 PM
Regarding his style at Stoke, he went on a training course in Europe the summer he was sacked and claimed to have studied different/various styles of football. Unlike Paul Lambert there seems to be some depth to what happened in Europe as his football since the trip has looked much better (Palace for instance).

I remember years ago Ian Holloway went away and studied football for a year or so and came back an improved manager, so it can and does happen and would explain why Pulis seems a more advanced manager beyond his Stoke days.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 15, 2015, 08:53:15 PM
I remember years ago Ian Holloway went away and studied football for a year or so and came back an improved manager, so it can and does happen
Although Holloway seems to have blown a gasket in the past couple of seasons!  ;D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: KYA on February 15, 2015, 08:56:52 PM
We now have a manager who his at his peak, knows the premiership as good as any and is the best we could have ever hoped for and yesterdays match fills me with hope and excitement i have not felt for a long time.
Morrison is a different player as well as Brunt.
Dawson was very good and the pressing for the whole game was excellent.
Lets all get behind this bloke and stop looking for reasons to dislike him.
Well said.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on February 15, 2015, 09:22:27 PM
I do not think you can compare him with, anyone.
Tony Pulis is his own man.Like a Regimentaltal Sgt Major  RSM. He will be in charge and fill our platoon with a playing style that will win draw, and occasionally lose.
Personally I feel great to have him on board!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 16, 2015, 12:14:36 AM
Regarding his style at Stoke, he went on a training course in Europe the summer he was sacked and claimed to have studied different/various styles of football. Unlike Paul Lambert there seems to be some depth to what happened in Europe as his football since the trip has looked much better (Palace for instance).

I remember years ago Ian Holloway went away and studied football for a year or so and came back an improved manager, so it can and does happen and would explain why Pulis seems a more advanced manager beyond his Stoke days.
you are right i remember I read that somewhere thats when he said he was going change Stoke style but he was fired well their loss or gain whatever.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on February 16, 2015, 01:05:41 AM
TP's results since he arrived

* 9 games played - 5 wins, 3 draws 1 defeat

* Goals for  ... 19

* Goals against  ... 7

* Whatever stats means .... yesterdays performance and result is a real high

* FA Cup Quarter Final .... and looks like we are on the up in the League

* Fletcher will be back for the Sunderland game .... but does Gardner deserve to be dropped?

* Bobby Brown now firing

* Solid disaplined defensive lines

I'd say the first 6 weeks have been a real success
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: swad35 on February 16, 2015, 01:27:31 AM
TP's results since he arrived

* 9 games played - 5 wins, 3 draws 1 defeat

* Goals for  ... 19

* Goals against  ... 7

* Whatever stats means .... yesterdays performance and result is a real high

* FA Cup Quarter Final .... and looks like we are on the up in the League

* Fletcher will be back for the Sunderland game .... but does Gardner deserve to be dropped?

* Bobby Brown now firing

* Solid disaplined defensive lines

I'd say the first 6 weeks have been a real success
Great decision to appoint him. Fletch in for me, offers us that leadership and quality on the ball, Gardner is however a good option to bring on.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 08:11:57 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionic on February 16, 2015, 08:49:42 AM
my long term concerns remain, however, my concern regarding "style" could be shoved up my proverbial if current performances continue.

I will be very, very happy to say i was wrong !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Morany on February 16, 2015, 08:51:11 AM
Not had access to a PC for the last week, but I'm glad the pulisball myth has been disregarded. Got us playing some great football this week. Effective, without long balls, and goals from open play.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 16, 2015, 09:25:44 AM

really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive hyim mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?
For instance Lescott was defending a square with his arm way up in the air just begging the ball to brush it
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 16, 2015, 09:34:18 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?
I think Yacob jumping in with two feet will not exactly please him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 16, 2015, 09:36:07 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?

He gave it to Dawson both barrels midway through the first half for a sloppy sideways pass to McAuley when he had options ahead of him.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 16, 2015, 09:37:22 AM
really incouraging performances against swansea and WHU, however, TP says there are still things that 'drive him mad' any suggestions what he could be refering to?

Simple passes going awry. I noticed Bobby copping a load after being caught offside even though he'd scored twice. TP wants EVERYTHING to be done right.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on February 16, 2015, 09:42:46 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11414834/Tony-Pulis-is-as-old-school-as-they-come-but-his-methods-are-working-brilliantly-at-West-Brom.html

The stats are interesting in the above article. For someone whose only been in charge for nine matches, he's made a huge imapct - hopefully it continues!


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on February 16, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11414834/Tony-Pulis-is-as-old-school-as-they-come-but-his-methods-are-working-brilliantly-at-West-Brom.html

The stats are interesting in the above article. For someone whose only been in charge for nine matches, he's made a huge imapct - hopefully it continues!

I am not knocking TP but as someone who likes a stat I have to point out that having a 7:0 walloping of a non-league outfit in the series rather skews the sample in his favour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WorcsWBA on February 16, 2015, 10:07:00 AM
I am not knocking TP but as someone who likes a stat I have to point out that having a 7:0 walloping of a non-league outfit in the series rather skews the sample in his favour.
Particularly as he hadn't really taken over at that point!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 16, 2015, 10:16:04 AM
Best performance I have seen from an Albion team in some time and the first time I have enjoyed a home game since the Hodgson team (which probably had Steve Clarke in charge at the time but was before he started tinkering with the winning formula come November of that year).

What is the difference I wonder? Oh yes, we finally have an actual manager in charge now. I am hoping, come what may with Pulis, that Jeremy will at least learn his lesson from all of this, after appointing Clarke and Irvine and bringing in Mel who may have been the right man but it was certainly the wrong time, you need to appoint a manager at the top level as opposed to taking a gamble on a number 2 with a hope that, as a good coach, they can adapt into top level management.

Irvine hadn't got a clue quite frankly and it worried me the number of happy clappers around that were content to see him keep the job until the end of the season when he would have undoubtedly taken us down.

It also amazed me the amount of people against us appointing Pulis. I think his time in charge of Palace showed us, or it should have done, that he is not a long ball manager, he picks a system to suit the players at his disposal. He has probably taken 6 weeks to work out exactly how to play a system that is best for us and look at the results this week when it has clicked. More so, look at the performances, two of the best performances from us for years, Morrison is starting to look like a player again. I am one of Brunt's harshest critics (largely because he is not a left winger at this level or a central midfielder at any level, yet I have had to endure watching him play there for the last three seasons) but I must concede that he was fantastic on Saturday, his tackle led to the Morrison goal and Brown is a new man.

Long live the Pulis (in charge of the Albion at least).
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 16, 2015, 10:17:28 AM
I am not knocking TP but as someone who likes a stat I have to point out that having a 7:0 walloping of a non-league outfit in the series rather skews the sample in his favour.
We have only played one team in any sort of form or not missing key personnel under Pulis and got thumped by them. Having said that, we need the points and confidence before our run in as we may find the stats balance out by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: costa blanca baggie on February 16, 2015, 10:22:57 AM
It seems that, at half-time against Burnley, he noticed that someone had left the hand brake on. ;)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on February 16, 2015, 10:35:53 AM
Simple passes going awry. I noticed Bobby copping a load after being caught offside even though he'd scored twice. TP wants EVERYTHING to be done right.

I quite like this trait about him
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 16, 2015, 11:47:01 AM
I sit behind Pulis and he was dishing out a positional bollocking to Gardner (I think it was) BEFORE we had kicked off !!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: albionden on February 16, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
if we can carry on improving the way we are , we wont be the pushover that we would have been under AI in that daunting run in at the end of the season . 
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: hunsletbaggie on February 16, 2015, 12:27:32 PM
 I was a bit shocked by the way we rolled over against spurs but the last two performances have been very impressive.
 I've never been a big fan of TP but if this continues in this vain he will win me over for sure.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
Thought we were superb on Saturday. What struck me was this wasn't anything like 'Pulisball' or even a variation of it at it's best. Yes some of the traits were there like like the hard work on and off the ball, strong in the tackle, first to every ball but with the ball we were excellent. The movement, 1 touch passing and interplay on show was really good to watch. I realise we can't play like that every week, but as long as we at least attempt to play like that most weeks and certainly in home games then there will be no complaints.

I think we have seen the results of having someone half decent in charge coupled with a large slice of fortune going our way. Without wanting to be negative if Pulis had his way we would of started the game with Cole up front and Ideye off in Qatar somewhere. If Anichebe hadn't got injured Brown might have had 5 or 10 mins in one of the games but would still almost certainly not be in the starting 11.

I still have major concerns about Pulis, both short and long term. I know people are looking at Saturday and now saying things along the lines of 'what was anyone complaining about' but we were absolute dross to watch in his first 6 weeks and 2 games against 2 of the leagues most out of form sides doesn't erase that. It is however a massive step in the right direction and I just hope Pulis has the courage to continue setting us up like that rather than reverting to type. It will be really interesting to see the team/formation/approach for the Sunderland game but I'd like to see him play the same side and tell them to go and play the exact same way.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 16, 2015, 01:23:43 PM
I sit behind Pulis and he was dishing out a positional bollocking to Gardner (I think it was) BEFORE we had kicked off !!


he wasn't bollocking the baggie bird was he ? :)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tylerm on February 16, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
Thought we were superb on Saturday. What struck me was this wasn't anything like 'Pulisball' or even a variation of it at it's best. Yes some of the traits were there like like the hard work on and off the ball, strong in the tackle, first to every ball but with the ball we were excellent. The movement, 1 touch passing and interplay on show was really good to watch. I realise we can't play like that every week, but as long as we at least attempt to play like that most weeks and certainly in home games then there will be no complaints.

I think we have seen the results of having someone half decent in charge coupled with a large slice of fortune going our way. Without wanting to be negative if Pulis had his way we would of started the game with Cole up front and Ideye off in Qatar somewhere. If Anichebe hadn't got injured Brown might have had 5 or 10 mins in one of the games but would still almost certainly not be in the starting 11.

I still have major concerns about Pulis, both short and long term. I know people are looking at Saturday and now saying things along the lines of 'what was anyone complaining about' but we were absolute dross to watch in his first 6 weeks and 2 games against 2 of the leagues most out of form sides doesn't erase that. It is however a massive step in the right direction and I just hope Pulis has the courage to continue setting us up like that rather than reverting to type. It will be really interesting to see the team/formation/approach for the Sunderland game but I'd like to see him play the same side and tell them to go and play the exact same way.

But you cant expect any manager to come in and things change instantly
Its been a gradual process and has actually started to change quicker than I anticipated
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 02:41:19 PM
Personally I don't think there was any excuse for playing the way we did at Burnley or Everton.

I'm really interested in how we set up on Saturday, I think it will tell us a lot about how we're going to approach the majority of games under Pulis
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: royhan on February 16, 2015, 02:57:29 PM
Pulis is not a one trick pony. He adjusts his tactics depending on the opposition. I thought our performance against Everton was first class. The point we gained there could prove the difference between us staying up or going down. Why do fans keep knocking Pulis? He is doing a superb job.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on February 16, 2015, 03:17:35 PM
I think he can be a one trick pony but he has shown he can be more versatile. A lot of it depends on how much he backs himself to succeed playing a more expansive game. I do wonder if we would of approached the game the same way if it was a league match (I'd like to think he would)

We don't need to go all out from the first minute against Sunderland but we need to take the initiative and not just react to what they do whilst playing for a 0-0. We should now be full on confidence and can described as on a good run. On the flip side they should have no confidence, are on a poor run, the fans are turning on them and Poyet is under big pressure. Set up like we did on Saturday and take the game to them, but if we set up like we did against Burnley or Everton we will likely lose.

I think Saturday will tell us a lot
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Nathan on February 16, 2015, 06:43:54 PM
Pulis is not a one trick pony. He adjusts his tactics depending on the opposition. I thought our performance against Everton was first class. The point we gained there could prove the difference between us staying up or going down. Why do fans keep knocking Pulis? He is doing a superb job.

Absolutely right, Pulis was under immense pressure to stop the rot and get points on the board quickly. The way we set up at Everton was just out of sheer necessity to get a valuable point. TP wasn't afforded the luxury of time, he needed a result. As another poster mentioned earlier, for TP to get what looks a great balance to the side and to play such positive,creative, attractive, passing football in the space of 6 weeks is a great achievement. It shows too that we are not just reliant on set pieces that some people worried we would be.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie53 on February 16, 2015, 06:48:22 PM
I think he can be a one trick pony but he has shown he can be more versatile. A lot of it depends on how much he backs himself to succeed playing a more expansive game. I do wonder if we would of approached the game the same way if it was a league match (I'd like to think he would)

We don't need to go all out from the first minute against Sunderland but we need to take the initiative and not just react to what they do whilst playing for a 0-0. We should now be full on confidence and can described as on a good run. On the flip side they should have no confidence, are on a poor run, the fans are turning on them and Poyet is under big pressure. Set up like we did on Saturday and take the game to them, but if we set up like we did against Burnley or Everton we will likely lose.

I think Saturday will tell us a lot

We approached the Swansea game in a similar way
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 16, 2015, 10:55:44 PM
If Tony can mastermind a win in the cup against the Seals we'll have to build him a statue. Please, please, please!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BobTaylor on February 17, 2015, 07:36:19 AM
If Tony can mastermind a win in the cup against the Seals we'll have to build him a statue. Please, please, please!

hear hear.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Delfzijl Baggie on February 17, 2015, 07:39:31 AM
Very impressed with Pulis. When AI got the sack (and rightly so) there was only one man who could guide us to safety and that man was Pulis. I don't think he'll let us down. With Pulis at the helm we will stay up!!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on February 17, 2015, 08:06:43 AM
I do hope that TP will very quickly realise the level of passion and sheer emotion surrounding the villa game(s). Form etc. is going to go out of the window, will he get what it means to us?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggiejohn on February 17, 2015, 08:41:54 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: miggybaggy on February 17, 2015, 09:25:17 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.

Yes, fair point!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 17, 2015, 12:16:56 PM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.

He will be, but when those games do come around I imagine he'll have us ready.

Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 17, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.

mate, I don't think you could get anymore grounded than Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: WBArgo on February 17, 2015, 04:36:55 PM
I agree.
It's funny because yesterday I was listening to Tim Sherwood's interview with Tom Ross (it will be online) and he's naturally just a very arrogant person. He barely mentioned the threat of relegation and was outlining his plans to do after he kept them up, it was all very confident.
I remember when Pulis came he was saying how hard it would be and we needed complete unity. I'm not bashing Sherwood but he barely mentioned the tough nature of the job in hand, almost as if he thinks it will be easy.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on February 21, 2015, 06:47:10 AM
I hope TP is grounded enough to forget the Villa games, we've got two very important games before we even think about the Villa.
Villa talk banned by Pulis.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 21, 2015, 10:23:20 AM
would you agree that historically the prem is littered with situations where players could have gone, managers could have gone, (fergie was close to being sacked just before he built the M.U. dynasty ), my point is there is a lot of luck involved, managers surely are never as good or bad as they are made out to be. who was it that said 'better to be lucky than good' ?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stanthesetter on February 21, 2015, 10:26:59 AM
guys I've posted the last remarks on the wrong thread, sorry if you wonder what i'm on about !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Black Country Pride on February 21, 2015, 12:42:28 PM
I agree.
It's funny because yesterday I was listening to Tim Sherwood's interview with Tom Ross (it will be online) and he's naturally just a very arrogant person. He barely mentioned the threat of relegation and was outlining his plans to do after he kept them up, it was all very confident.
I remember when Pulis came he was saying how hard it would be and we needed complete unity. I'm not bashing Sherwood but he barely mentioned the tough nature of the job in hand, almost as if he thinks it will be easy.

I always find it amusing to count how many times Sherwood mentions the word 'I' in an interview. Turn it into a drinking game and everyone would be staggeringly drunk within a couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Londonbaggymike on February 22, 2015, 12:28:46 AM
I always find it amusing to count how many times Sherwood mentions the word 'I' in an interview. Turn it into a drinking game and everyone would be staggeringly drunk within a couple of minutes.

I think his sleepless night tonight give him an indication of the job in hand. So glad we went for Tone.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sted1990 on February 22, 2015, 11:26:43 AM
I used to hate coming up against Pulis, everyone knows the man knows how to get results, I love having him on our side now, fills me with alot of confidence going into games, even more so against the team around us. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on February 22, 2015, 11:30:06 AM
He is a "grinder".
It was what we needed at the time.
Have to see what the future holds, as and when, he can choose his players in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: baggie_1 on March 01, 2015, 08:20:56 AM
Since tony pulis has arrived a lot of other fans have slated the way we play football. I can honestly say that I like the way we are playing at the moment and I don't see any similarities to the way stoke played when he was there as that was just hoof football. Just curious as to what others thought to way we play football now.....
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 08:39:40 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 08:47:41 AM
Here is an interesting comparison between Roy's record compared to Tony's after 7 games

Roy .... 3 wins, 3 Draws & 1 Loss ... F13, A11 ... Points gained 12
Tony ... 3 wins, 3 Draws & 1 Loss ... F6, A5 ...... Points gained 12

In Roy's remaining 5 games of the 2010/11 season his results were:-

   2 wins, 2 Draws & 1 Loss .... F9, A9 .... Points gained 8, Giving total 20 over 12 games

If Tony gets 8 points from the next 5 games think it deserves to be measured against Roy's record doesn't it .... Oh and I think we all loved Roy didn't we?

Plus he had no FA Cup to bother about did he?

So with Stoke, QPR & Leicester at Home & Villa & Man City Away .... he might even beat Roy Hodgson's record (Apart from maybe Goals scored .... +22, but I bet he won't concede -20 .... Oh and I would have a small bet that he would have a better goal difference than +2 over the 12 games)

In my book, if it comes off would put him above Roy's record .... wouldn't it?

Just my opinion ........ Must get myself a Cap, tracksuit and new white trainers now !
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 09:01:38 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.

Thats absolute rubbish. The away games have been unwatchable, the 'football' has been awful and if we are doing the same in 12 months time (which we very likely will be) the. I suspect a large number of the people who enjoy/tolerate the away games at the moment (I'd say I just about tolerate it short term) will of had enough.

At home we have been very good in 2 games and got the result in 2 others. Spurs was awful.

It's been a very positive start in terms of results since Pulis came in, he's probably 3 points better off than I thought he would be but I havn't seen anyone moaning at his record before or after his appointment. The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up. Id had very strong ideas about Pulis and he's lived up to every single one of them both negative and positive.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Atomic on March 01, 2015, 09:14:14 AM
Thats absolute rubbish. The away games have been unwatchable, the 'football' has been awful and if we are doing the same in 12 months time (which we very likely will be) the. I suspect a large number of the people who enjoy/tolerate the away games at the moment (I'd say I just about tolerate it short term) will of had enough.

At home we have been very good in 2 games and got the result in 2 others. Spurs was awful.

It's been a very positive start in terms of results since Pulis came in, he's probably 3 points better off than I thought he would be but I havn't seen anyone moaning at his record before or after his appointment. The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up. Id had very strong ideas about Pulis and he's lived up to every single one of them both negative and positive.


No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 09:21:48 AM

No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.

I agree totally, people are still clinging on to an 'Albion Way' myth, the only 'Albion Way' we had was heading straight into the championship and league one.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 09:26:02 AM
Since tony pulis has arrived a lot of other fans have slated the way we play football. I can honestly say that I like the way we are playing at the moment and I don't see any similarities to the way stoke played when he was there as that was just hoof football. Just curious as to what others thought to way we play football now.....

I'm happy with the way it's all going to be honest, we are 2/3 wins from safety, an off season where he can improve the squad again. The style of football has suited each match to get the desired points on the board. For example we knew The Saints would come at us and give us a hiding if we made the game open and flowing, so we stopped them playing and closed it up. We won simple as that, no fluke, no luck, we had a game plan and it worked. At least we have a gameplan now because we havn't had one since Roy was in charge.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on March 01, 2015, 09:34:18 AM
TP was given a remit to keep us in the PL - thats the task in hand & he's doing a good job of it so far! There's still a way to go but it's looking better for us! That's the bottom line for this season!
Maybe some of the doubters may be appeased when next season starts when TP has had a pre-season & got a few more players in! Best to judge things then, as this season is all about surviving, some may not agree with the greed league scenario but thats how it is & its where the money is! (& its where I want my Albion to be!)
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 01, 2015, 09:41:20 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.

That seems spot on to me.

A lot of it will come from the Mowbray/Lepowski days. With the Mowbray = Great football and Pulis = Horrible football articles every time they played each other. Followed up by Pulis bringing Stoke to The Hawthorns and walking away with the 3 points  ;D

If Pulis didn't have a good record against West Brom I can't see him being as disliked as he was online.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: tommcneill on March 01, 2015, 09:44:23 AM

No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.

Yep spot on fella

Some of the football played had been some of the best stuff I've seen in a long time. People will always moan because they have a right to do so and can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 09:49:26 AM
Thats absolute rubbish. The away games have been unwatchable, the 'football' has been awful and if we are doing the same in 12 months time (which we very likely will be) the. I suspect a large number of the people who enjoy/tolerate the away games at the moment (I'd say I just about tolerate it short term) will of had enough.

At home we have been very good in 2 games and got the result in 2 others. Spurs was awful.

It's been a very positive start in terms of results since Pulis came in, he's probably 3 points better off than I thought he would be but I havn't seen anyone moaning at his record before or after his appointment. The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up. Id had very strong ideas about Pulis and he's lived up to every single one of them both negative and positive.

I think the underlying point was Tony Pulis was brought in first and foremost to keep us up, due to his track record at Palace the previous season, exactly as the thought process was with bringing in Roy Hodgson (To save us because RDM was going to get us relegated similar to AI).

At the end of the day, we wanted to keep Roy, but England came calling and we lost him.

Lets be brutally honest, with the money and the way the Premier League operates, if we progress further than mid table, any season, all our best players and manager will be poached (i.e Southampton) .... (i.e Bryan Robson in 1981) and we will initially start in a downward spiral.

We are and always will be a top mid table team at best and the kind of manager to cement that is a Tony Pulis type person ... We are doing the best we can, and who knows we may get a few better players in during the summer and enjoy them for a season / maybe two ... and if we continue to be successful they will be moved on or poached ..... That's life in West Bromwich Albions world.

Still that's what makes this forum so good INDIVIDUAL OPINIONS  ... "They are like backsides ... everybodys got one"  ..... Including me :D
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: glosterbaggie on March 01, 2015, 10:19:41 AM
If this man had arrived from Mars and no-one had heard of him there wouldn't be one dissenting voice. Because Pulis has a record he arrived here and some people had pre-conceived ideas about who he was and what he was about and those people will look at any negative in order to save face. It's a pride thing and an in denial thing.

Pulis has been brilliant for this club so far, absolutely brilliant. End of story. Those that moan ....................... well, there will always be some whatever happens.
Spot on! Remember the Mowbray days when opposition managers would praise our football after turning us over! Carry on TP manager who knows his business,with you all the way!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Big Al on March 01, 2015, 10:27:24 AM
Surely TP has done exactly what was needed for this season so far. If he is still here next season ! Then you would hope for more attacking intent in some away games. Will JP do enough in the transfer season to keep him is still very much an open question in my view. We have a woeful record for very late deals in summer nd TP will want to drill the whole squad during pre season.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 01, 2015, 10:32:19 AM
I think with what happened at Palace, when TP just walked away, if JP doesn't give him what he wants (within reason) ..... he will be gone (again) ... lets hope there is an outbreak of 'Common Sense'
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Aixelsyd on March 01, 2015, 10:39:07 AM
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/tony-pulis-tweaked-west-bromwich-8744048?

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 "Pulis Football" - noun

Having a Plan B and C for when it is needed.
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Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 10:41:08 AM

No it's you that is talking rubbish. You get no points for playing any particular style of football. /You get points for getting results. Pulis took over a club that was going down under Irvine and so far has turned it round to the extent where we hardly ever lose and hardly ever conced. They are the facts and the facts are what count. Anything else is down to personal preference and that doesn't get you a single point.

But as far as I'm aware nobody has ever posted on here saying Pulis wont bring us points if keep us up. Even his biggest critics (if you can call them that) were always of the opinion he would keep us up and probably comfortably. So nobody is arguing against the fact that in terms of points/results he's done a very good job as nearly everyone thought he would and as everyone would agree he has.

The point im making is your saying anyone with a pre conceived idea of Pulis and his methods was clearly wrong, was talking rubbish, has been made to look silly and if they still think any of those things they're moaning for the sake of it.

Out of interest which of the following do you disagree with?

The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up

You cant seem to separate the result from the performance. If to you it doesn't matter in the slightest then thats great for you but to me and many others Im sure it does. And before we go in to the whole tiresome 'good football gets you relegated look at Mowbrays team' I'm not asking for all out attack 80 passes before each goal football, but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: stokelad84 on March 01, 2015, 10:50:26 AM


The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up


Ironically the only cheating I've seen is Sessegnon going down very easily. He went down very easily against Gateshead too for the first goal of the game.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Baggies54 on March 01, 2015, 10:56:32 AM
I think with what happened at Palace, when TP just walked away, if JP doesn't give him what he wants (within reason) ..... he will be gone (again) ... lets hope there is an outbreak of 'Common Sense'

I hope any further purchases by Pulis are better than McManaman because I am sure our wide midfielders in the U18's and U21's would make a better fist of things than him.

I also think the name of this thread is wrong, everyone ends up talking about the results (which have been brilliant for us) and not the 'football',  apart from Fosters massive hoof's which go through to the opposing keeper the football was generally pretty good, balls cleared into touch when under pressure or cleared upfield by a big kick, fair enough.  However we played some decent moves out of defence into midfield, players got into some excellent positions to carry the moves into attacks only to be let down by  some of the worst passing game in the last third that I have seen under quite a few of our recent managers/coaches.

So all in all the Pulis Football is ok, it boils down to the players doing their jobs to the best of their ability, after all Pulis can't come on the field and pass the ball for them (although at times it looks like he might run out at any time) he's that animated in the technical area.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Sessegod on March 01, 2015, 11:01:13 AM
But as far as I'm aware nobody has ever posted on here saying Pulis wont bring us points if keep us up. Even his biggest critics (if you can call them that) were always of the opinion he would keep us up and probably comfortably. So nobody is arguing against the fact that in terms of points/results he's done a very good job as nearly everyone thought he would and as everyone would agree he has.

The point im making is your saying anyone with a pre conceived idea of Pulis and his methods was clearly wrong, was talking rubbish, has been made to look silly and if they still think any of those things they're moaning for the sake of it.

Out of interest which of the following do you disagree with?

The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up

You cant seem to separate the result from the performance. If to you it doesn't matter in the slightest then thats great for you but to me and many others Im sure it does. And before we go in to the whole tiresome 'good football gets you relegated look at Mowbrays team' I'm not asking for all out attack 80 passes before each goal football, but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.

It's a results game as far as I'm aware, results keep you in the premier, results keep the money to coming in to able to try and compete in the premier, results attract better players to the club.

On your final point we are playing that way because that's the quality of player we have at the moment, Pulis is playing the tactics that he is as that's the way he sees best of getting results out of the players we have got.

I think you better go and support Barcelona if you want to watch a nice bit of football every week. Because for me, I want to stay in the premiership and the manager has my full support to do it any which way he can.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Astle1968 on March 01, 2015, 11:19:51 AM
It's a results game as far as I'm aware, results keep you in the premier, results keep the money to coming in to able to try and compete in the premier, results attract better players to the club.

On your final point we are playing that way because that's the quality of player we have at the moment, Pulis is playing the tactics that he is as that's the way he sees best of getting results out of the players we have got.

I think you better go and support Barcelona if you want to watch a nice bit of football every week. Because for me, I want to stay in the premiership and the manager has my full support to do it any which way he can.

Why does anyone who puts on here that they want to see some sort of attacking intent in games nearly always get a response similar to yours of 'go and watch Barcelona' as if it's ludicrous to to expect anything other than 10 men behind the ball away to Burnley

We are not playing this way because of the quality of player we have, its because thats how Pulis wants us to play. We've seen in games like Swansea and especially against West Ham this team is more than capable of playing very good football when we take the handbrake off whilst still retaining many of Pulis more admirable traits of being solid and hard to beat.

Yesterday was an excellent result. Even if Southampton are a bit out of form nobody can dispute that. But time wasting after 25 minutes? It was embarrassing and more importantly it wasn't needed. The title of the thread was Pulis Football not Pulis Results which are two different things.

The hypocrisy on here is remarkable. People can write what they want now but I don't remember many on here 6 years ago wanting Mowbray out, just like I dont remember many positive Pulis comments as he cheated and bullied and kicked his way through another season. Now everyones always been a huge fan of Pulis style and if you like attractive football you get a sneery comment about Mowbray. I guess nobody on here was at the Blackburn game in 2009 either.

Any manager will always get my support, but I'd love to see some of the posts some posters made back when Mowbray was with us and compare it to the comments being made now
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 01, 2015, 02:42:21 PM
Why does anyone who puts on here that they want to see some sort of attacking intent in games nearly always get a response similar to yours of 'go and watch Barcelona' as if it's ludicrous to to expect anything other than 10 men behind the ball away to Burnley

We are not playing this way because of the quality of player we have, its because thats how Pulis wants us to play. We've seen in games like Swansea and especially against West Ham this team is more than capable of playing very good football when we take the handbrake off whilst still retaining many of Pulis more admirable traits of being solid and hard to beat.

Yesterday was an excellent result. Even if Southampton are a bit out of form nobody can dispute that. But time wasting after 25 minutes? It was embarrassing and more importantly it wasn't needed. The title of the thread was Pulis Football not Pulis Results which are two different things.

The hypocrisy on here is remarkable. People can write what they want now but I don't remember many on here 6 years ago wanting Mowbray out, just like I dont remember many positive Pulis comments as he cheated and bullied and kicked his way through another season. Now everyones always been a huge fan of Pulis style and if you like attractive football you get a sneery comment about Mowbray. I guess nobody on here was at the Blackburn game in 2009 either.

Any manager will always get my support, but I'd love to see some of the posts some posters made back when Mowbray was with us and compare it to the comments being made now
Give the man a chance to change the way we approach away games at least he deserves that.How on earth you could make a prediction on our style of play for the future is beyond me when for the millionth time the man insist we are a far way from what he desires.I have not seen any Hoofball yet as was highly anticipated.Some people will never like Pulis even if we took the treble.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Standaman on March 01, 2015, 05:13:13 PM
Any Head Coach should be given time but ultimately without results a Coach is not going to be given enough time to really judge . Pulis to his credit has delivered results in the short term and the performances have not all been dour. Given the brief of keeping us in the division grinding out results by any means possible is perfectly acceptable to most supporters.

Assuming that he does keep us up this year the next step is a closed season which will see him work with squad and start to shape it. At that point we will start to see his long term plan. There is one thing that is fairly certain is that the players that he has available to him will not improve dramatically they might better suited to his style of play but they will not be better players.

If at that point we have a squad that is long on centre halves and short of flair and we routinely park the bus away from home regardless of the opposition then we have to conclude that is the way he wants it or believes that given the limitations of his squad that is the best way to achieve his prime objective survival in the Premier League.

How long attritional football remains acceptable to the fans is debatable, while we crave a bit of stability and critically we get results then I very much doubt committed fans (i.e. most posters on this board) will find much fault. Whether the less committed casual supporter is lured to the Hawthorns by it is a different matter. In terms of progress I am not sure it will take us anywhere other than a slightly more secure perch in the Premier League. That might be the limit and with the odd tilt at a Cup to spice life up that might be a decent place to be even if the football is a little bit dour.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 01, 2015, 05:31:02 PM
Think a few on here are totally misinterpreting the Burnley and Sunderland performances. Irvine had left us in such a position it was vital not to lose those games. The way Pulis knows not to lose games is park the bus. A point was totally acceptable from both in any manner because it prevented the opposition gaining any ground on us.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on March 01, 2015, 05:52:29 PM
but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.

Strange comment since his Palace team won 4 away games in the league last season PLUS a win at the Hawthorns in the Cup?

Not bad for someone whose teams play with no attacking intent away from home!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Pulisisabaggie on March 01, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
Strange comment since his Palace team won 4 away games in the league last season PLUS a win at the Hawthorns in the Cup?

Not bad for someone whose teams play with no attacking intent away from home!
Exactly
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Gilsey 56 on March 01, 2015, 06:46:54 PM
It's a results game as far as I'm aware, results keep you in the premier, results keep the money to coming in to able to try and compete in the premier, results attract better players to the club.

On your final point we are playing that way because that's the quality of player we have at the moment, Pulis is playing the tactics that he is as that's the way he sees best of getting results out of the players we have got.

I think you better go and support Barcelona if you want to watch a nice bit of football every week. Because for me, I want to stay in the premiership and the manager has my full support to do it any which way he can.
I think that just about sums it up mate.
How the hell can anybody mention Mowbray in the same breath as Pulis.
Can anybody remember the way we defended and the football we played.
They trained on a 5 aside pitch with no goals and thats how we played on the pitchalways in front of the opposition ,never going nowhere.
We did play well in the championship but when we played in the prem he was out of his depth, like irvine i'm sorry to say.
Lets enjoy the moment and hope for some good signings in the summer.


Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: weareblueweare white on March 01, 2015, 08:29:17 PM
The big picture is, if he wasn't here we'd be in the bottom 3 and not still in the fa cup.
Me personally, I will embrace Pulis being head coach and couldn't give a f@@k that a few people on here can't appriciate it.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Oldbaggie on March 01, 2015, 08:38:15 PM
The big picture is, if he wasn't here we'd be in the bottom 3 and not still in the fa cup.
Me personally, I will embrace Pulis being head coach and couldn't give a f@@k that a few people on here can't appriciate it.
Well said
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: VVVAlbion on March 02, 2015, 06:43:08 AM
Strange comment since his Palace team won 4 away games in the league last season PLUS a win at the Hawthorns in the Cup?

Not bad for someone whose teams play with no attacking intent away from home!
Pulis is good at what he does which is not losing football matches. At Palace he took over an Ian Holloway team full of attacking intent and made them defensively stronger. They parted company when over transfer policy and Palace concerns about backing his direction for the club. As someone pointed out, he has been a coach for donkeys years and has created his own brand of football. Pulisball exists, it isn't pretty but it is effective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: The Black Pearl on March 02, 2015, 07:31:04 AM
I don't care if his football is very effective rather than very attractive, I want to have his babies! :P
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: BaggiesFacts on March 02, 2015, 07:39:12 AM
But as far as I'm aware nobody has ever posted on here saying Pulis wont bring us points if keep us up. Even his biggest critics (if you can call them that) were always of the opinion he would keep us up and probably comfortably. So nobody is arguing against the fact that in terms of points/results he's done a very good job as nearly everyone thought he would and as everyone would agree he has.

The point im making is your saying anyone with a pre conceived idea of Pulis and his methods was clearly wrong, was talking rubbish, has been made to look silly and if they still think any of those things they're moaning for the sake of it.

Out of interest which of the following do you disagree with?

The 'pre conceived ideas' were that he would refuse to play full backs, that he would cheat, that we would time waste, that we would show no attacking intent in away games, that we would rely on set pieces, that he would marginalise players like Sessegnon, that he would stuff the team full of centre backs, that we would have minimal possession, but also crucially he would make us hard to beat and we would stay up

You cant seem to separate the result from the performance. If to you it doesn't matter in the slightest then thats great for you but to me and many others Im sure it does. And before we go in to the whole tiresome 'good football gets you relegated look at Mowbrays team' I'm not asking for all out attack 80 passes before each goal football, but I want more than 10 men behind the ball and 0 shots in away games especially against the poor opposition we have faced so far.

If Pulis or another manager came in and played like this to keep us up before progressing the style next season I'd have no issue whatsoever with it, but we are playing this way because it's how Pulis plays full stop and it wont be any different next year or the year after no matter how much money he does/doesnt have.

Firstly we haven't had away games under Pulis where we haven't registered a shot at goal (five at Sunderland), so that's an exaggeration. Plus we must also recognise other teams are as desperate for points as we are. We may well have wanted to attack more in the Sunderland game but we could have just had a bad day at the office passing, and attacking wise. The good thing is that even with a bad day at the office, Pulis will make sure we're so organised at the back that if we don't concede we get an away point. Also, these away points really do start to add up when you back them up with wins at home. The win against Southampton isn't to be took lightly. They have a very impressive squad, with a fair bit more of an attacking threat than we have.

You can't judge Pulis on what he might or might not do in the future. Ask any Palace fan about what he brought to them and how optimistic they were for this season had he stayed with them. He's adaptable and pragmatic, not dour and dull. He gets points by implementing the tactics required for each individual game. Sometimes it won't be champagne football but trust me he can get this team and already has got this team playing some lovely stuff at times.

Would you risk losing Pulis and his apparent 'style' for potentially another manager coming in who wants to play pretty football more often but may not get the same results? I wouldn't!
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: mulliganstired on March 02, 2015, 08:55:20 AM
I expect he'll park the bus against Villa tomorrow as well, especially as Saido and Bobby are probably out.  Its the same principle as Sunderland; games are running out fast and denying Villa 2 points is probably almost as important as getting something ourselves.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: overseas baggie on March 02, 2015, 09:06:03 AM
Win our home games and draw our away games and that's 76 points per season - Champions League form!  We only need to achieve 50% of that to get 38 points and safety.

Its not a bad objective.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: PsalmXXIII on March 02, 2015, 09:36:53 AM
Football hasn't always been pretty and I've said it a few times, but it's effective. Give me the feeling of three points winning ugly than zero points playing beautifully any day. Win points you go up the league positions, go up the league positions and you build a reputation and bring in more money, use the money and better reputation you attract better players, attract better players and you play better football.

Anyone think a team struggling to get points is going to bring in players who play beautiful football?
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Webby on March 02, 2015, 10:09:14 AM
Winning is more fun than losing
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: darbolina on March 02, 2015, 11:41:50 AM
Whilst winning, you can build a team and a club.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Chipperfan on March 02, 2015, 11:52:33 AM
Having started out not wholly enamoured with Pulis, I find myself very firmly in his camp at present. The turnaround in our team has been phenomenal.

I watched the Everton game, and while we weren't pretty we were very effective, and while the Spurs game was dire, the performances against Swansea and West Ham were bloody outstanding. Last Saturday we came up against a very good side. Okay, they have been struggling for form but we never gave them anything and the Pelle chance aside I don't think they made a clear cut chance, whereas we could have had at least two more goals with slightly better finishing. And you know what, I like seeing Albion looking mean and hard to beat, I've had a bellyful of being pretty and getting hammered, added to which it's a great feeling to be approaching games with confidence, not dreading going.

As many gave said, ask the team's below us if they'd like to swap their style of play and points total for ours.

Pulis set out to rebuild a side low on confidence and belief. He started that by making them hard to score against and build from there. So far the plan is working.
Title: Re: Tony Pulis
Post by: Albionwarrior on March 02, 2015, 12:05:56 PM
Having started out not wholly enamoured with Pulis, I find myself very firmly in his camp at present. The turnaround in our team has been phenomenal.

I watched the Everton game, and while we weren't pretty we were very effective, and while the Spurs game was dire, the performances against Swansea and West Ham were bloody outstanding. Last Saturday we came up against a very good side. Okay, they have been struggling for form but we never gave them anything and the Pelle chance aside I don't think they made a clear cut chance, whereas we could have had at least two more goals with slightly better finishing. And you know what, I like seeing Albion looking mean and hard to beat, I've had a bellyful of being pretty and getting hammered, added to which it's a great feeling to be approaching games with confidence, not dreading going.

As many gave said, ask the team's below us if they'd like to swap their style of play and points total for ours.

Pulis set out to rebuild a side low on confidence and belief. He started that by making them hard to