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Title: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 03, 2014, 09:22:42 AM
How can Irvine carry on after last night, beaten and humiliated, surely JP will place him on gardening leave today, but who will replace him, will it be Downing, or will JP move quickly to appoint an experienced manager?

Advocat has been mentioned, who else is out there?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 03, 2014, 09:24:30 AM
If we got rid of irvine,downing and kiely would anyone take sherwood and his own backroom staff now???
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 03, 2014, 09:26:39 AM
If he acts now he can give himself time before the window opens. Try and make a long-term appointment remove Irvine, Kelly, Downing and Kiely and lets start again. Not Sherwood for me. Or Pulis. But somebody who can both unite and excite the fans. Not really sure whose out there right now but we shouldn't discount McInnes or alternatively Robinson at MK Dons. Personally I'd love us to go back and look for somebody like Pepe Mel who plays differently. This time however we need to back him with a proper coaching infrastructure - not allowing him his own coaching staff meant his tenure at the club was effectively over before it started.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
Pepe Mel (with full backroom staff)
Derek McInnes
Gary Rowett

It will most likely be Phelan though with Kiely and Downing in tow.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 03, 2014, 09:36:59 AM
From the championship I'd only really fancy McLaren or Howe.

But I can't see either of them leaving where they are at the moment.

I can't see Jeremy paying compensation for someone so it would have to be someone out of work at the moment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 03, 2014, 09:37:22 AM
Pepe Mel (with full backroom staff)
Derek McInnes
Gary Rowett

It will most likely be Phelan though with Kiely and Downing in tow.

Derek McInnes, given backing through thick and thin, follow Swanseas model of past player, is a good shout.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:39:11 AM
Lets just bring in one of our own, someone who has had links with the club.The fans would give him time. Irvine was never going to get time.
I suggest we get Richard Sneekes involved in some coaching role
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:42:39 AM
just look at the impact Rowett has had at the Blues, we need the same
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 09:43:18 AM
Pepe Mel (with full backroom staff)
Derek McInnes
Gary Rowett

It will most likely be Phelan though with Kiely and Downing in tow.
Terrifying thought
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 03, 2014, 09:43:59 AM
Terry Burton has been in post several months now so his 'due diligence' should at least have been throwing up some candidates. Steve McClaren would be my choice. OK, it would mean us paying out compensation but what's a couple of million in the broader scheme of things? Relegation would cost us a lot lot more.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:45:08 AM
Terrifying thought


He was not one i would have wanted before Irvine got the job. i would take anybody know
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:46:40 AM
its so frustrating all this, we all know our potential with the footballers we have
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 09:49:02 AM
I agree that the next appointment should be one of our own. That person will unify the fans for a start.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 03, 2014, 09:49:14 AM
Terrifying thought

I'd have taken him ahead of Irvine
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Jeremy Roland Peace on December 03, 2014, 09:49:32 AM
Martin Jol ?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 09:50:34 AM
I agree that the next appointment has to be one of our own. That person will unify the fans for a start.

But who?

What'll make me start feeling a lot more brotherly love is points on the board, a settled team and starting eleven who show spirit and a clear sense of knowing what they're doing.

I think Pulis would give us that. 

Yes the football is of the knuckle-dragging variety, but at least cavemen know how to fight and scrap and not go down.

But he's not stupid. He'd find a way to keep fans happy while still making the team hard to beat.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:55:32 AM
McInnes Big Dave and Richard Sneekes, go get them
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 09:56:23 AM
McInnes Big Dave and Richard Sneekes, go get them

With Pulis as mentor  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 09:57:41 AM
With Pulis as mentor  ;)


I would take Pulis but hes never going to come here with our structure
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 09:58:27 AM
Taken from the ex players thread for potential next Head Coach if we go down the 'one of us' route.

Some scary options  ;D

ALLARDYCE, Sam - Manager at West Ham United
AMPADU, Kwame - Coach at Arsenal Academy
APPLETON, Michael - Manager at Oxford United
CONTRA, Cosmin - Manager at Getafe (Spain)
DICHIO, Daniele - Head Coach at Toronto FC Academy
EHIOGU, Ugo - Coaching Tottenham U21's
GROVES, Paul - Coach at Crawley Town
HACKETT, Gary - Manager at Stourbridge
HARGREAVES, Chris - Manager at Torquay United
HODGSON, Roy - England Manager
MCINNES, Derek - Manager at Aberdeen
MELLON, Micky - Manager at Shrewsbury Town
NICHOLL, Jimmy - Manager at Cowdenbeath
NICHOLSON, Shane - Fitness coach at Chesterfield
PARKIN, Steve - Assistant Manager at Bradford City
PHILLIPS, Kevin - Coach at Leicester City
SHAKESPEARE, Craig - Assistant Manager at Leicester City
SINCLAIR, Frank - Manager at Colwyn Bay
SNEEKES, Richard - Manager at Rushall Olympic
VARGA, Stanlislav - Manager at FC Tatran Presov (Slovakia)
WALFORD, Steve - Coach at Republic Of Ireland
WILLIAMSON, Bobby - Manager of Kenya National Team

Jol, Martin - Unemployed
Mel, Pepe - Unemployed
Clarke, Steve - Unemployed
Mowbray, Tony - Unemployed
Robson, Bryan - Unemployed
Megson, Gary - Unemployed
Ardiles, Osvaldo - Unemployed
Gould, Bobby - Unemployed
Atkinson, Ron - Unemployed
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 09:59:49 AM
McInnes Big Dave and Richard Sneekes, go get them

Would rather have Appleton than Sneekers TBH but would Appleton work as an understudy now albeit in the Premier League?

I would love to see Bob Taylor around the place but then we are getting as bad as JP with a job for the boys.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 10:01:39 AM
The chap down here, one of the longest serving managers in all leagues does a stirling job with buttons.
Paul Tisdale. No experience of upper leagues but i go watch Exeter and they play the Albion way of old
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 03, 2014, 10:02:23 AM
But who?

What'll make me start feeling a lot more brotherly love is points on the board, a settled team and starting eleven who show spirit and a clear sense of knowing what they're doing.

I think Pulis would give us that. 

Yes the football is of the knuckle-dragging variety, but at least cavemen know how to fight and scrap and not go down.

But he's not stupid. He'd find a way to keep fans happy while still making the team hard to beat.
But fans want attractive football, well most on here do. Or will the mentality change from a Pepe Mel kind of Manager to a Pulis kind of Manager. Really I don't care who comes in apart from Mr Dave Jones just so long that he gets our club and fans united again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: slate on December 03, 2014, 10:03:06 AM
Martin Jol, Derek McInnes, blah blah blah blah. It's like f*cking Groundhog Day.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 10:08:00 AM
Would rather have Appleton than Sneekers TBH but would Appleton work as an understudy now albeit in the Premier League?

I would love to see Bob Taylor around the place but then we are getting as bad as JP with a job for the boys.



Sneekes would bring a touch of class, he talks a good game on WM. Coach at Rushall, not sure how well they are doing but i hear they play some good stuff.Listen to him on a Friday night. What about Jol and Sneekes together.Lets keep it dutch
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 10:12:10 AM
But fans want attractive football, well most on here do. Or will the mentality change from a Pepe Mel kind of Manager to a Pulis kind of Manager. Really I don't care who comes in apart from Mr Dave Jones just so long that he gets our club and fans united again.

Everyone wants attractive football. I want attractive football. Don't get me wrong.

But in the short term (i.e. up to the end of this season) what I want is points on the board and the knowledge that the team will be hard to beat and have a lot of fight.

At the moment we're not scoring enough, we're not accumulating points and the football is still pretty bad.

Pulis will get you goals and points. Nag him enough you might get pretty football.

We need someone to steady the ship and he's the nearest thing I can think of to an Uncle Roy figure who's out there at the moment.


I can't think of anyone available at the mo who can get you goals, points, safety AND pretty football. Help someone!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: charliemike on December 03, 2014, 10:12:30 AM
He ain't had the sack yet . On candidates apparently Eddie Howe turned us down last time and the one I wanted mclaren wasn't in the frame . I think he will roll it a bit longer . Having said that how can you improve this present squad without investment . It ain't all Irvine fault with the midfield we have any manager would struggle .
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: mank baggie on December 03, 2014, 10:13:29 AM
Peace should get on his knees and beg pepe to come back and give him his own back room staff
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 10:15:17 AM
He ain't had the sack yet . On candidates apparently Eddie Howe turned us down last time and the one I wanted mclaren wasn't in the frame . I think he will roll it a bit longer . Having said that how can you improve this present squad without investment . It ain't all Irvine fault with the midfield we have any manager would struggle .



We have no chance with either Howe or McLaren and i agree we should bring Mel back with proper support for him
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 03, 2014, 10:18:10 AM
It's not just Irvine that needs to go, Downing and Keily need to follow him out the door and we need to abandon this "head coach" policy. There is no point sacking Irvine if these pair remain at the club.

Sack them all and bring in a MANAGER and let him bring in his own staff.


Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 03, 2014, 10:18:36 AM
The reason we find ourselves in this mess again is because few top managers will work under the constraints that our set up puts them under.
They come here start the job then 3 months in realise what they are working with isn't proving successful and because of the shackles placed on them they cant do anything about it.
So again we start due diligence and come up with the same old list of failures thats being doing the rounds for years
Only a fool keeps making the same mistake over and over again.
Jeremy despite all your millions you are indeed a fool
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 03, 2014, 10:23:29 AM
I think people need to relax a little and get a little persepctive.

What's the point in replacing a bloke with little expierence with a bloke with none.

Makes no sense.

Irvine has got to go, no questions but the bigger issue is who he gets in.

I hate the idea of Pulis anywhere near this club but he is the only one that could come in and sort out the mess of the boys club. But for that to work Downing, Kiely and Kelly all need to go. The idea of Pulis sends shivers down my spine however i know deep down he'd keep us up if we went about it the right way. So for that reason alone I am warming to him.

The more realistic and worrying option is that Downing and co will get the gig. However the positive to this is the quicker he is given it the quicker they are gone.

We could go back to Pepe Mel and ask him to get involved, however given how he was treated and given how stubborn JP appears I would suspect this won't happen.

Another option is Steve Clarke however see above for reasons why it won't be him. He did say however that he has unfinished business here, so maybe.

For me the realistic options arn't great.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 03, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
We wouldnt get a half decent manager in without getting rid of Downing and Kiely.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 03, 2014, 10:39:17 AM
People are letting their hearts rule their heads with some of the names mentioned here. For me I'd like to see McLaren or Pulis but I don't think we'd stand a chance of getting either. That said Irvine won't be sacked just yet IMO.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 03, 2014, 10:41:14 AM
McLaren would be my first choice but I can't see him being available.

Southgate or Jol for me.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 10:44:23 AM
BetVictor are now giving odds on the next gaffer:

BetVictor‏@BetVictor·37 secs37 seconds ago
Next Permanent #WBA Manager

Chris Hughton 3/1
Tony Pulis 3/1
Dick Advocaat 6/1
Dave Jones 10/1
Tim Sherwood 12/1

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 03, 2014, 10:46:59 AM
BetVictor are now giving odds on the next gaffer:

BetVictor‏@BetVictor·37 secs37 seconds ago
Next Permanent #WBA Manager

Chris Hughton 3/1
Tony Pulis 3/1
Dick Advocaat 6/1
Dave Jones 10/1
Tim Sherwood 12/1

None of those thank you!

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 03, 2014, 10:49:13 AM
BetVictor are now giving odds on the next gaffer:

BetVictor‏@BetVictor·37 secs37 seconds ago
Next Permanent #WBA Manager

Chris Hughton 3/1
Tony Pulis 3/1
Dick Advocaat 6/1
Dave Jones 10/1
Tim Sherwood 12/1

Makes you wonder if they are reading this forum as all of those names except Hughton have been mentioned in last few days for one reason or another.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 03, 2014, 10:50:48 AM
Makes you wonder if they are reading this forum as all of those names except Hughton have been mentioned in last few days for one reason or another.

What about Hughton?  ;)

That list is seriously scary.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 10:51:21 AM
Pulis at 3/1? Worth a punt.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 03, 2014, 10:59:56 AM
Pulis at 3/1? Worth a punt.

Wouldnt waste your money unless Kiely, Downing and couple others go with Irvine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 11:01:25 AM
Any mention of Mel, is ludicrous and unrealistic. Move on.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 11:02:13 AM
Personally, I think Terry Burton would step in, maybe for the rest of the season.
a) It would give the board an opportunity to re-define the position & look for suitable candidates
b) It demonstrates the the Management Structure works i.e. You can move on your head coach without compromising the integrity of the whole organisation.

We do need a new head coach, but knee-jerk is not the solution.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 03, 2014, 11:03:06 AM
Nothing Albion related on Chris Lepkowski's twitter since the 30th October is very telling.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 03, 2014, 11:04:37 AM
What about Hughton?  ;)

That list is seriously scary.

I did say except Hughton  :D

None of them fill me with confidence. We could do with a Pulis type character to sort out any issues in the dressing room, someone to let people know who is charge. But the list is probably the sort of names we can expect unless Peace grabs it by the balls and has a total clearout which won't happen and Irvine will eventually be replaced by the gruesome twosome either short term or then longer term.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 11:04:48 AM
Nothing Albion related on Chris Lepkowski's twitter since the 30th October is very telling.

He works for the club so can't really say anything now. All his Albion related tweets come through wba official now, well his match day tweets do anyway.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 03, 2014, 11:06:24 AM
Personally, I think Terry Burton would step in, maybe for the rest of the season.
a) It would give the board an opportunity to re-define the position & look for suitable candidates
b) It demonstrates the the Management Structure works i.e. You can move on your head coach without compromising the integrity of the whole organisation.

We do need a new head coach, but knee-jerk is not the solution.


Neither is this.

Burton? You must be joking.

The feel good factor needs bringing back and getting rid of Irvine, Downing and Keily would be like a huge cloud moving on and the sun coming out. To then learn that Burton runs the show for the rest of the season would be like a bloody monsoon appearing.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 03, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
We need a tactician in charge not a coach. We have back room staff to do the coaching but very rarely do we out think the opposition. We've not had a plan A for a long time let alone a plan B.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 11:09:40 AM
all the posts coming in i cant keep up :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 03, 2014, 11:12:42 AM
We need a tactician in charge not a coach. We have back room staff to do the coaching but very rarely do we out think the opposition. We've not had a plan A for a long time let alone a plan B.


Someone like Glenn Hoddle then?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 03, 2014, 11:12:55 AM
In all honesty, i find the thread very disrespectful. The man is still employed by the club. Until he gets the boot this thread should not exist.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 11:14:47 AM

Neither is this.

Burton? You must be joking.

The feel good factor needs bringing back and getting rid of Irvine, Downing and Keily would be like a huge cloud moving on and the sun coming out. To then learn that Burton runs the show for the rest of the season would be like a bloody monsoon appearing.

Think you might be dissapointed then chap, can't see JP clearing the lot out halfway through the season.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 11:16:11 AM
Think you might be dissapointed then chap, can't see JP clearing the lot out halfway through the season.
He needs to if we're to have a chance of staying up
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 03, 2014, 11:16:47 AM
In all honesty, i find the thread very disrespectful. The man is still employed by the club. Until he gets the boot this thread should not exist.

Why?

Should we not talk about next season's kit, as we're still using the old one or should we not speculate over potenital signings because we already have players?

It's the nature of the beast I am affraid and I see no issue with discussing potential replacements.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 03, 2014, 11:16:58 AM
In all honesty, i find the thread very disrespectful. The man is still employed by the club. Until he gets the boot this thread should not exist.

If you do don't read it!
I myself find it very disrespectful to assume that our fans are morons by dishing up the same old anecdotes that Irvine dishes up after every game.
The sooner he goes the better
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 11:17:36 AM
In all honesty, i find the thread very disrespectful. The man is still employed by the club. Until he gets the boot this thread should not exist.

The title of the thread isn't very subtle I agree, but I think the hypothetical debate is worth having.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 11:18:00 AM
In all honesty, i find the thread very disrespectful. The man is still employed by the club. Until he gets the boot this thread should not exist.

Not at all, we are just pre-planning and I hope the club are doing the same. If you don't like the thread then don't look at it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 03, 2014, 11:21:50 AM
Some of our supporters really do amaze me. He isnt going anywhere anytime soon so we might as well get behind AI and the team and show our support. This negative nasty bile is doing no good to anyone.
The players are fully behind AI and so are the board so get off your high horse and be loud and proud at Hull on Saturday.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Morany on December 03, 2014, 11:22:56 AM
Some of our supporters really do amaze me. He isnt going anywhere anytime soon so we might as well get behind AI and the team and show our support. This negative nasty bile is doing no good to anyone.
The players are fully behind AI and so are the board so get off your high horse and be loud and proud at Hull on Saturday.

I think you'll find the fans are very much behind the team. Our away support is generally good and won't be any different, after all we all want the Albion to win. However, theres nothing wrong with asking the question who next?

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 11:25:13 AM
Some of our supporters really do amaze me. He isnt going anywhere anytime soon so we might as well get behind AI and the team and show our support. This negative nasty bile is doing no good to anyone.
The players are fully behind AI and so are the board so get off your high horse and be loud and proud at Hull on Saturday.


again you have me rolling over in laughter, so you think the players are playing for him do you
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 11:25:39 AM
Some of our supporters really do amaze me. He isnt going anywhere anytime soon so we might as well get behind AI and the team and show our support. This negative nasty bile is doing no good to anyone.
The players are fully behind AI and so are the board so get off your high horse and be loud and proud at Hull on Saturday.
Why would you be behind a man who is actively taking your club down? Unless you're a villa fan? The only people who amaze me are the few left defending him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 03, 2014, 11:27:12 AM

again you have me rolling over in laughter, so you think the players are playing for him do you

I think the players are definitely playing for him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on December 03, 2014, 11:28:49 AM
I think the players are definitely playing for him.

Until last night the it has been the usual suspects in the squad, they know that if they are fit they are in the side no matter what. He has got extremely desperate and is only now resorting to making any kind of changes to the match day squad. The regular first teamers have got extremely comfortable.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 03, 2014, 11:32:51 AM
In all honesty, i find the thread very disrespectful. The man is still employed by the club. Until he gets the boot this thread should not exist.

What I find disrespectful is the dross football served up by the most negative manager I can remember, I pay a lot of money to support the Albion, I feel ripped off for the £1000's I spend following the team, which is why I will no longer do it until he is gone!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BAGGYINTHESOUTH on December 03, 2014, 11:33:13 AM
The man is going nowhere, the main problem is the side is not good enough to stay in the PREM. Whoever is in charge will have the same probs, so sit back and watch the ALBION slide into the CHAMPS. :(
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 03, 2014, 11:36:29 AM
Why would you be behind a man who is actively taking your club down? Unless you're a villa fan? The only people who amaze me are the few left defending him.

I wondered when the 'villa Fan' remark would be wrote. No i am not a villa fan, i am a WBA fan who is trying to support our head coach, i am not a huge fan of Irvine but i dont honestly think there are many better candidates out there who would work under our structure.
If AI does get removed then Downing and Kiely MUST go with him. They seem to get away with it every time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 11:37:04 AM
The man is going nowhere, the main problem is the side is not good enough to stay in the PREM. Whoever is in charge will have the same probs, so sit back and watch the ALBION slide into the CHAMPS. :(



This squad with the right leader will easily keep us up
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 11:37:50 AM
If AI does get removed then Downing and Kiely MUST go with him. They seem to get away with it every time.
I agree with you there.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 03, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
You know what? this is going to be a really difficult decision for the board of WBAFC.
On the one hand, you need to take whatever steps are needed to preserve our EPL status, which may well mean replacing the head coach, on the other hand, you don't want the decision to be seen to be influenced by fan/supporter power.
Whatever some of you believe, there aren't too many decent replacements out there, otherwise Alan Pardew & Sam Allerdyce would have been sacked by now, & Newcastle & West Ham are able to pay a lot more than us.
Based on what I saw last night, I would say Irvine has to go, but in the cold light of day, it might not be quite so easy.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 11:59:15 AM
Simples really, all hes got to do is change his football philosphy but hes set in his ways
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 11:59:48 AM
JP pushed the boat out and spent decent money on wages and fees last Summer , time to do the same with a Manager . McInnes would be in my thoughts but i wouldn't want him to fail as a former player very well respected here plus you have to take into account the standard of the Scottish game.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2014, 12:28:26 PM
The best the club could do is probably Hughton who's similar to Irvine in a lot of ways.

The only other viable options would be those who it'd be a huge jump up for like McInnes (funny how people don't want Irvine but McInnes is fine - he was dreadful for Bristol City), and coaches like Mike Phelan who've no experience.

I think what would most likely happen though is Keith Downing would get the job till the end of the season. I doubt the club wants the mess of not having a manager during the season for 5 weeks again, and given the structure in place and the time taken to get the last 3 managers, you'd be looking at a similar time frame again should Irvine go. The board will look at the fact we stayed up last season with Downing head coach in all but name (though we didn't do very well) plus with the knowledge he definitely know's how to work in the clubs structure.

The only way we'd actually get someone half decent is by scrapping this system and bringing an actual manger's role back. But given we've made multiple appointments over the summer to increase the influence of background staff, well we've probably just limited our options even more since then.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 12:34:21 PM
The best the club could do is probably Hughton who's similar to Irvine in a lot of ways.

The only other viable options would be those who it'd be a huge jump up for like McInnes (funny how people don't want Irvine but McInnes is fine - he was dreadful for Bristol City), and coaches like Mike Phelan who've no experience.

I think what would most likely happen though is Keith Downing would get the job till the end of the season. I doubt the club wants the mess of not having a manager during the season for 5 weeks again, and given the structure in place and the time taken to get the last 3 managers, you'd be looking at a similar time frame again should Irvine go. The board will look at the fact we stayed up last season with Downing head coach in all but name (though we didn't do very well) plus with the knowledge he definitely know's how to work in the clubs structure.

The only way we'd actually get someone half decent is by scrapping this system and bringing an actual manger's role back. But given we've made multiple appointments over the summer to increase the influence of background staff, well we've probably just limited our options even more since then.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't McInnes save City from relegation then have his better players sold and budget slashed ?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2014, 12:38:20 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't McInnes save City from relegation then have his better players sold and budget slashed ?

He joined on the 19th of October so it wasn't really an heroic tale of survival. His unpopularity with Bristol City fans would suggest he did a bad job there.

The question people should be asking themselves is, if McInnes had never played for Albion, would anybody want him as head coach?

People should be employed on merit, not the fact they used to play for us and will appease the fans for a few weeks. The same reasoning saw Robson appointed despite the fact he was clearly a woeful manager.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 12:43:16 PM
He joined on the 19th of October so it wasn't really an heroic tale of survival. His unpopularity with Bristol City fans would suggest he did a bad job there.

The question people should be asking themselves is, if McInnes had never played for Albion, would anybody want him as head coach?

People should be employed on merit, not the fact they used to play for us and will appease the fans for a few weeks.
I think your being harsh there , City had been in a right mess for years. I personally have kept an eye on him , as i posted earlier he would be in my thoughts ...young , ambitious and won a trophy or two with Aberdeen and St Johnstone where his teams quite often turned over better funded sides .As i also posted though it's Scotland , he would be on my list though not to mention he seems a strong character which is one of the things we cry out for.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: johnwilliamso20 on December 03, 2014, 12:44:25 PM
I don't know how realistic it is but the only person I would be happy with is Dick Advocaat. After that possibly Martin Jol. The rest of the options seem pretty depressing. I would accept Derek McInnis even though it is pretty much just on sentiment. McInnis and Appleton together would excite me though but I can't imagine Appleton would ever want to be assistant.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 03, 2014, 12:48:47 PM

Someone like Glenn Hoddle then?

He would actually be my choice personally or Steve McLaren.

Hoddle would work within the structure set at the minute as first and foremost he is a coach but with the management experience behind him. He would improve us technically and bring with it the type of football we want to see at Albion.

I was suprised he was never linked to the job last time round.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2014, 12:53:10 PM

again you have me rolling over in laughter, so you think the players are playing for him do you
The ones he keeps picking regardless ARE PLAYING FOR HIM, THATS THE PROBLEM..
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 12:53:59 PM
I don't know how realistic it is but the only person I would be happy with is Dick Advocaat. After that possibly Martin Jol. The rest of the options seem pretty depressing. I would accept Derek McInnis even though it is pretty much just on sentiment. McInnis and Appleton together would excite me though but I can't imagine Appleton would ever want to be assistant.
Mcinnes has things going for him , he isn't new to being a manager , he isn't past it either.
Seems he had a mixed spell at Bristol City , got and kept up St Johnstone then won a first trophy in years for Aberdeen which gained him PFA Scotland Manager of the Year and SFWA Manager of the Year. 
To be honest being an ex player doesn't come into it for me but it can't harm at all given our situation.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 03, 2014, 12:58:00 PM
I think it speaks volumes that today no one from the club has come out and backed Irvine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 12:58:54 PM
I think it speaks volumes that today no one from the club has come out and backed Irvine.


are they aware theres any unrest :-X
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 03, 2014, 01:00:45 PM
I think it speaks volumes that today no one from the club has come out and backed Irvine.

Why should they have to?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Astle1968 on December 03, 2014, 01:01:24 PM
It's laughable that the people who want Irvine out would be happy with McInnes as a replacement. If he hadn't played for us (which means absolutely nothing) there would be a bigger uproar on here than when we appointed Irvine.

The problem with getting rid of Irvine is that there's nobody obviously better & available to bring in. If he went I'd fully expect Downing/Kiely to be in charge until the end of the season.

Personally I'd love Mowbray back but not going to happen. Think given a season with this team he could work wonders
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 03, 2014, 01:01:46 PM
The ones he keeps picking regardless ARE PLAYING FOR HIM, THATS THE PROBLEM..

Why aren't we picking up results then?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2014, 01:01:55 PM
Imagine next week when the match against villa is Roy Keanes first as head coach?

I think
Hoddle
Pullis
A German
Keane
Mcinnes
Ranieri
Are all possible, but I keep thinking that Roy will be back at some point.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: hardtobeat on December 03, 2014, 01:07:30 PM
We cannot afford to waste anytime faffing about haggling over compo so any new appointment would have to be not currently involved at first team level. That leaves us with Advocaat, Hughton , Pulis ,Jol, Hoddle and as a bit left field Meulensteen as the main runners and riders in my book.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 01:08:18 PM
Imagine next week when the match against villa is Roy Keanes first as head coach?

I think
Hoddle
Pullis
A German
KeaneMcinnes
Ranieri
Are all possible, but I keep thinking that Roy will be back at some point.


Thats the end of the prawn sandwich brigade then
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 03, 2014, 01:09:22 PM
It's laughable that the people who want Irvine out would be happy with McInnes as a replacement. If he hadn't played for us (which means absolutely nothing) there would be a bigger uproar on here than when we appointed Irvine.

The problem with getting rid of Irvine is that there's nobody obviously better & available to bring in. If he went I'd fully expect Downing/Kiely to be in charge until the end of the season.

Personally I'd love Mowbray back but not going to happen. Think given a season with this team he could work wonders
Read my post above re McInnes , he has a lot more going for him than the current bloke.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 01:09:38 PM
Why aren't we picking up results then?



exactly, if they were playing for him we wouldnt and shouldnt have lost 4 on the spin
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 03, 2014, 01:12:09 PM

Thats the end of the prawn sandwich brigade then
Pork sondwitch ay it ?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 03, 2014, 01:12:40 PM
It's laughable that the people who want Irvine out would be happy with McInnes as a replacement. If he hadn't played for us (which means absolutely nothing) there would be a bigger uproar on here than when we appointed Irvine.

The problem with getting rid of Irvine is that there's nobody obviously better & available to bring in. If he went I'd fully expect Downing/Kiely to be in charge until the end of the season.

Personally I'd love Mowbray back but not going to happen. Think given a season with this team he could work wonders

Mowbray? Seriously? He was inept in the Premier League.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 01:14:26 PM
He would actually be my choice personally or Steve McLaren.

Hoddle would work within the structure set at the minute as first and foremost he is a coach but with the management experience behind him. He would improve us technically and bring with it the type of football we want to see at Albion.

I was suprised he was never linked to the job last time round.
Hoddle would be a disaster.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 01:18:43 PM
lets stick with ted because we all differ who we want :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Astle1968 on December 03, 2014, 01:27:04 PM
Mowbray? Seriously? He was inept in the Premier League.

Possibly but when you look at the team he had back then and the football he got them playing it makes you wonder what he could of done with a half decent side.

I personally don't really care if we play in the PL or the Championship. Obviously when in the PL I hope we stay up and in the Championship I want us to get promoted but there's many thing I prefer about the Championship. All I know is in 20 years of going to the Hawthorns I've never looked forward to games as much as during the Mowbray years, and even some of the games we lost were enjoyable. I think there's been a bit of revised opinion from some of our fans since he left but lets not forget the reception he got after taking us down. Now compare it to the atmosphere around the place at the moment when we are 3 places higher. He had some (big?) deficiencies but apart from the anomaly of the 1st promotion season that spell was my most enjoyable as a Albion fan.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 03, 2014, 01:38:55 PM

Someone like Glenn Hoddle then?

Yes, I think he'd do a good job. He was doing very well with England in the past before his comments got him the boot.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 03, 2014, 01:39:09 PM
If AI does get the boot, i hope for Jol. McInnes has done it in a sunday league but was an epic failure at Bristol and hated by there supporters.

As for Sneekes, he manages Rushall olympic who are having an average season at best....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2014, 01:40:51 PM
Glenn Hoddle statistically one of the best england managers 61.7% win percentage!
Only behind Ramsey and Capello
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 03, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
Possibly but when you look at the team he had back then and the football he got them playing it makes you wonder what he could of done with a half decent side.

I personally don't really care if we play in the PL or the Championship. Obviously when in the PL I hope we stay up and in the Championship I want us to get promoted but there's many thing I prefer about the Championship. All I know is in 20 years of going to the Hawthorns I've never looked forward to games as much as during the Mowbray years, and even some of the games we lost were enjoyable. I think there's been a bit of revised opinion from some of our fans since he left but lets not forget the reception he got after taking us down. Now compare it to the atmosphere around the place at the moment when we are 3 places higher. He had some (big?) deficiencies but apart from the anomaly of the 1st promotion season that spell was my most enjoyable as a Albion fan.

I find it strange how so many people laud Mowbray's time here yet RDM rarely gets a mention. RDM arguably achieved more than Mowbray. Mowbray's first and last season weren't that great. The Championship was won by the lowest points total seen for years. Impressive football at home granted but really awful away. He was too stubborn to change his approach even when it was obvious it wasn't working. His record since has been pretty poor too.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 01:47:30 PM
Southampton and Swansea have appointed new managers in the past year, they seem to have got it right. Similar sized clubs, ok Southampton have more cash.

The 'there is no one out there' is rubbish, there are loads out there.

We need to do away with this Ashworth based structure and get in a manager, watch the options open up then.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 01:47:55 PM
The talk of former managers is boring, they won't happen!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: swad35 on December 03, 2014, 01:49:28 PM
Paul Clement of Real Madrid anyone? Or to similar to Clarke....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 01:52:41 PM
Mauricio Pellegrino?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
Mauricio Pellegrino?
He was my favoured choice when we went for Mel. Seems the right kind of manager- young but not too inexperienced, forward-thinking, feel his philosophy could suit our players
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 01:56:37 PM
He was my favoured choice when we went for Mel. Seems the right kind of manager- young but not too inexperienced, forward-thinking, feel his philosophy could suit our players

I've heard it said that he is very highly rated and destined for bigger things.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 03, 2014, 01:56:56 PM
He was my favoured choice when we went for Mel. Seems the right kind of manager- young but not too inexperienced, forward-thinking, feel his philosophy could suit our players

I'd favour an attack minded coach from the continent, but his English skills must be very good. We can't have Mel style misscommunication.

Maybe someone from Germany?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 03, 2014, 02:02:53 PM
I'd favour an attack minded coach from the continent, but his English skills must be very good. We can't have Mel style misscommunication.

Maybe someone from Germany?
Ralf Rangnick!  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 03, 2014, 02:03:20 PM
I'd prefer someone from the continent, i know the club will be put off under Mel, but there isn't anyone in this country is there?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 02:07:19 PM
I think now Irvine should be on a match to match contract.We did see a little chink last night so lets give him at least one more game(Hull) to see if that chink improves even more so. it all boils down to selection
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 03, 2014, 02:09:31 PM
I'd prefer someone from the continent, i know the club will be put off under Mel, but there isn't anyone in this country is there?
I agree with this.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BRANDHALL_REGGIE on December 03, 2014, 02:11:41 PM
if or when Father Ted gets the chop from the Reaper!! we most get somebody in who's got a bit of savvy none of these number 2's or one's who manage the youth or reserve teams really needs somebody with so good experience of first team management my it be home or from the continent and they have got to have a better say in who they would like to bring in to the club as there supports not ones who are already in place
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 03, 2014, 02:12:57 PM
Mowbray? Seriously? He was inept in the Premier League.
I'd also welcome him back anytime. Pretty much anyone would have been inept with a back four of Zuiverloon, Donk, Olsson and Robinson!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: gavinrussell on December 03, 2014, 02:17:09 PM
Im looking around to see who is currently unemployed. Cheap and doesnt mind having Pinky and Perky as his Backroom Boys....any takers !!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 03, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
Im looking around to see who is currently unemployed. Cheap and doesnt mind having Pinky and Perky as his Backroom Boys....any takers !!!

My goodness, I can see you're quoting the classified ad that JP is getting placed in the Exchange and Mart as we speak.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: monkey nuts on December 03, 2014, 03:19:59 PM
Remi Garde
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 03, 2014, 03:35:13 PM
Pulis for me every time.

If not someone like Sherwood to bring his own staff in and to replace the old.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cornishbaggie on December 03, 2014, 03:41:37 PM
Steve Bruce?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 03, 2014, 04:11:42 PM
i voted Lennon prior to Ted coming in, he aint doing bad is he
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: robnewbold on December 03, 2014, 04:21:31 PM
I think JP will bottle it and try something even more scary...he will bring back Clark alongside Irvine as support for the remainder of the season                   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 03, 2014, 04:41:49 PM
No brainer, Pulis for me and to bring who he wants in the backroom. He'll shore up the defense and utilize our new players on the wing and up front. I think we have enough in the squad to keep us up, but we need a strong character to sort out the rubbish we have in the squad and not someone who get's the job who's main ability to pass the interview is to answer yes to JP on every question, especially when he's unzipping JP's fly.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 03, 2014, 04:45:00 PM
If nigel Pearson gets the chop at Leicester, i would have him signed up as quick as a quick thing on a quick day in his quickest shoes.

To get what he has out of Wes Morgan, Vardy, Nugent & co is genius, get him lined up JP, and bring his coaches here too, quick like!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Bomberblueand white on December 03, 2014, 04:55:29 PM
Got to speak to Les ferdinand at work the other day and asked how close he and Tim were to getting the job, he said it wasn't to do with wages, they told the board their plans and they went the other way. He did say they would of brought Mason, Kane and another lad whose name i forget but he said was going to be a player. Doubt they'd get involved if/when we are on the lookout again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 03, 2014, 05:10:48 PM
Given our recent appointments, I THINK it will be Dave Jones, heaven forbid, though maybe that just reflects my pessimistic outlook at the moment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 03, 2014, 05:32:25 PM
He joined on the 19th of October so it wasn't really an heroic tale of survival. His unpopularity with Bristol City fans would suggest he did a bad job there.

The question people should be asking themselves is, if McInnes had never played for Albion, would anybody want him as head coach?

People should be employed on merit, not the fact they used to play for us and will appease the fans for a few weeks. The same reasoning saw Robson appointed despite the fact he was clearly a woeful manager.
on what merit did we employ Irvine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Yardley on December 03, 2014, 05:51:42 PM
Martin Jol for me. He knows the league well has done well abroad, is an ex Baggie and will commands respect as he's not a nobody like we normally go for who let the old boys dictate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 03, 2014, 05:55:15 PM
I just can't imagine JP ripping up the blueprint, especially in mid season. so the questions are
Are you willing to work with Pinky and Perky?
Are you willing to work under a director of football?
Are you willing to have minimal involvement in transfers?
Will you accept an 18 month contract?
Have you got experience of English football?
Do you have a connection with the Dingles?   :D
I think that rules out most of the possibles, as it has for all the managers since Roy. Which is why I'm coming up with Dave Jones, he ticks all the boxes
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: jim68 on December 03, 2014, 06:10:02 PM
Derek McInnes, given backing through thick and thin, follow Swanseas model of past player, is a good shout.
have to agree at least we would get some passion shown and much needed drive and more importantly timely substitutions not sending on players with 5- 10 minutes remaining and expecting them to perform miracules :-X :-X
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 03, 2014, 06:32:24 PM
Someone who is a similar ilk to Roy Hodgson.

Someone who won't rock the boat in terms of recruitment.

Someone willing to work within the director of football structure.

Someone who has shown he can keep a club in a division.

I'm thinking Stuart Gray - not that I would have him as my first choice but merely the sort of candidate the club would look at.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 03, 2014, 06:53:33 PM
Someone who is a similar ilk to Roy Hodgson.

Someone who won't rock the boat in terms of recruitment.

Someone willing to work within the director of football structure.

Someone who has shown he can keep a club in a division.

I'm thinking Stuart Gray - not that I would have him as my first choice but merely the sort of candidate the club would look at.

You keep him at your number one club mate  :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: very old baggie on December 03, 2014, 07:00:43 PM
How about Jurgen Klopp... or his brother Klipperty...  ;D

sorry... thought we all needed a smile...

vob
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 03, 2014, 07:03:26 PM
You keep him at your number one club mate  :)

I'm happy for him to stay there personally  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kirk on December 03, 2014, 07:07:43 PM
Just go look at Brentford or Bournemouth and if it needs ripping up the now failed set up so be it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dudleylad on December 03, 2014, 07:16:15 PM
Our system isnt the issue of someone like Roy enjoyed it and got involved with players recruitment then it must work.

My issue is the two coaches who are like sacred cows and a manager who just isnt good enough and still cannot see what hes brought other than the first month of the season where we looked organised...but it couldnt have been hard to get us looking like that after last season.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 03, 2014, 07:25:40 PM
One person that shouts out to me is Martin Jol. Knows our club, plays nice football and has had a break now since Fulham. Has a good record as well and is respected in the game, much like Roy.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 03, 2014, 08:23:16 PM
One person that shouts out to me is Martin Jol. Knows our club, plays nice football and has had a break now since Fulham. Has a good record as well and is respected in the game, much like Roy.

He knew our club in the 80's, a lot has changed since then.

I do expect him to be around the names when Irvine departs.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Aixelsyd on December 03, 2014, 08:24:49 PM
One person that shouts out to me is Martin Jol. Knows our club, plays nice football and has had a break now since Fulham. Has a good record as well and is respected in the game, much like Roy.

Jol would be someone I'd be happy to see given the job.



the problems he had at Fulham I think can be squarely laid at the feet of their new owner.....
He had a good record there until Khan arrived and then it all went down hill rapidly.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 03, 2014, 08:27:41 PM
I think it goes to show just how bad things have got I'd late the fact that many of us would happily see Pulis up here even if it is to steady the ship. I would of loved to of seen what Mel would of done with th current squad as it has players such as Blanco and Varela who I'm sure would of suited his footballing taste. I just hope the club is not put off coaches from over seas in the future as a result of mels short tenure in charge.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: alwaysbilly on December 03, 2014, 09:20:49 PM
Someone who is a similar ilk to Roy Hodgson.

Someone who won't rock the boat in terms of recruitment.

Someone willing to work within the director of football structure.

Someone who has shown he can keep a club in a division.

I'm thinking Stuart Gray - not that I would have him as my first choice but merely the sort of candidate the club would look at.

It will be cheapest YES MAN that is available again - come on chaps, you don't really think this will change do you? Hodgson was a lucky appointment, right place, right time, perfect opportunity for him to have a last pop at the England Job. I am worried.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 03, 2014, 10:34:03 PM
Our system isnt the issue of someone like Roy enjoyed it and got involved with players recruitment then it must work.

My issue is the two coaches who are like sacred cows and a manager who just isnt good enough and still cannot see what hes brought other than the first month of the season where we looked organised...but it couldnt have been hard to get us looking like that after last season.

We changed the system for him though, all our big signings were players he wanted, not that bought for him. We also spent money in January which we never, ever do, and all our signings were British based, again unusual for us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 03, 2014, 10:36:59 PM
Pulis. Hell take him on in the current system.  Dumb and dumber will soon be singing off the same hymn sheet if not he'll just marginalise them. 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 03, 2014, 11:31:06 PM
I'd take Pulis as things stand just to steady the ship but I have no doubt in my mind he wouldn't take it. He will want to bring in his own back room staff, want a bigger budget then what we can supply to him and probably won't work under our structure. Who would of thought a coach who wants his own men to work alongside a decent bit of cash to bring in his own players and to have full control over incomings and outgoings! What a strange world we live in!.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 03, 2014, 11:36:44 PM
Jol is a tricky one. As I understand it, there were a lot of reasons why he wasn't offered / didn't apply for the job. Every time I asked local journals about it, they always went quiet on the matter or brushed it off.

Something fishy going on there if you ask me, so don't expect him to come in should (when) AI goes.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 03, 2014, 11:42:29 PM
Jol is a tricky one. As I understand it, there were a lot of reasons why he wasn't offered / didn't apply for the job. Every time I asked local journals about it, they always went quiet on the matter or brushed it off.

Something fishy going on there if you ask me, so don't expect him to come in should (when) AI goes.

It is bizzare, he hasnt seemed to be close to getting the job at all on the past few occasions Atleast.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dan7heman on December 03, 2014, 11:54:54 PM
Now the favorite in the sack race at 2/1.. lump on lads... ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 04, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
How about Jurgen Klopp... or his brother Klipperty...  ;D

sorry... thought we all needed a smile...

vob

No not him. The last thing we need is yet another cart 'oss.

We need a thoroughbred.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 04, 2014, 12:04:34 PM
Ally McCoist could soon be available if reports from Scotland are to be believed. Would be an interesting choice. After all, JP seems to favour Scottish managers.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: 17GD on December 04, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
After the dull, dour deadheads we've had recently, I'd quite favour a manager who has a bit of humour to cheer us up after getting beat...lol
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 04, 2014, 01:24:05 PM
Ally McCoist could soon be available if reports from Scotland are to be believed. Would be an interesting choice. After all, JP seems to favour Scottish managers.

I would welcome Ally McCoist here.  8)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 04, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
Ally McCoist is an interesting name. Has had a lot of success but could he make a difference working with the players we have. I could warm up to him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Astle1968 on December 04, 2014, 02:04:12 PM
Ally McCoist? Would only be an interesting choice if part of an experiment to see just how bad the manager has to be before we get relegated.

I'm waiting for someone to suggest Terry Connor at this rate
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: t76 on December 04, 2014, 02:09:56 PM
I must concur with the general consensus of the board and say its time.With the talent that is on the side we should be in a much better table position.


Not bad for a newbie 10/13/06.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: colinmax on December 04, 2014, 02:10:19 PM
We can see the difference Gary Rowett has made at Blues.
He had ties there and we should probably not pursue him but a young up and coming manager would be my choice like when we appointed Ron Atkinson who was manager of Cambridge at the time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: GrGr on December 04, 2014, 02:17:26 PM
Ally McCoist? Would only be an interesting choice if part of an experiment to see just how bad the manager has to be before we get relegated.

I'm waiting for someone to suggest Terry Connor at this rate

Anyone think Mick McCarthy would be an upgrade on irvine?  ::)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: GrGr on December 04, 2014, 02:19:22 PM
We can see the difference Gary Rowett has made at Blues.
He had ties there and we should probably not pursue him but a young up and coming manager would be my choice like when we appointed Ron Atkinson who was manager of Cambridge at the time.

Aye, please not another recycled failed dunderhead dinosaur.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: GrGr on December 04, 2014, 02:24:19 PM
Irvine's football is like bringing a pennyfarthing to a bicycle race.   :(
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 04, 2014, 02:29:59 PM
Aye, please not another recycled failed dunderhead dinosaur.
Agreed. The number of people suggesting Hoddle is worrying for that reason.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: valleybaggie on December 04, 2014, 02:55:39 PM
the only thing worrying me is will peace actually get rid of irvine. there'll be a lot of egg on his face after all the promises he made in the summer about the albion being run better and we'd appointed the best head coach to take us forward.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Topman on December 04, 2014, 03:11:34 PM
I just hope we have someone lined up if he gets rid this weekend
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2014, 03:22:51 PM
I hear Martinez is getting booed at Everton
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: sing on our own on December 04, 2014, 03:23:08 PM
What is making me feel worse than I thought  was possible about all this mess is the sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that when not if Irvine goes the gruesome twosome will undoubtably be put in charge..... No surer thing my friends.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 04, 2014, 03:51:33 PM
Anyone think Mick McCarthy would be an upgrade on irvine?  ::)

Even Michael McIntyre would be an improvement on Alan Irvine!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 04, 2014, 03:57:46 PM
Ally McCoist could soon be available if reports from Scotland are to be believed. Would be an interesting choice. After all, JP seems to favour Scottish managers.

He is a ******* horrific manager. I cannot explain to you how bad his sides are.

He hasn't won the promotions in the Scottish leagues - he has brought them by signing Scottish premiership players to beat the part timers in the lower divisions.

If any of you are complaining about the football being boring now then you really don't want to see his 'style' (if you can call it that) that McCoist' Rangers side play. It is mind numbingly boring, there is no organisation, he plays his favourities continuously (wrecking the careers of promising youngsters), there is no imagination to their play and they hoof the ball repeatedly.

His record as a player was terrific, as a person he is brilliant but a football manager he is certainly not.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 04, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
Agreed. The number of people suggesting Hoddle is worrying for that reason.

I don't like Hoddle as a person, but his overall managerial record is decent.  Remember - probably 99% of managers get sacked at least twice in their careers.  There's no way we are ever going to get one of the other 1%!

He did a decent job as England manager and was sacked for non-footballing reasons.

Hoddle or Irvine ?   Hoddle

Hoddle or Jones?  Hoddle

Hoddle or Hughton? Hoddle

Hoddle or Pulis?  Hoddle

Hoddle or Jol?  Marginal

Hoddle or Adkins?  Marginal

Hoddle or McLaren?  McLaren

Hoddle or Southgate?  Marginal

I wouldn't rule out Hoddle at all. His credentials outrank just about anyone else.  He wasn't made England manager without a good CV.



Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 04, 2014, 04:01:43 PM
the only thing worrying me is will peace actually get rid of irvine. there'll be a lot of egg on his face after all the promises he made in the summer about the albion being run better and we'd appointed the best head coach to take us forward.

They'll be even more egg on his face & money out of his pocket if we get relegated, if JP thinks he needs to, you bet he will.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 04, 2014, 04:11:04 PM
I don't like Hoddle as a person, but his overall managerial record is decent.  Remember - probably 99% of managers get sacked at least twice in their careers.  There's no way we are ever going to get one of the other 1%!

He did a decent job as England manager and was sacked for non-footballing reasons.

Hoddle or Irvine ?   Hoddle

Hoddle or Jones?  Hoddle

Hoddle or Hughton? Hoddle

Hoddle or Pulis?  Hoddle

Hoddle or Jol?  Marginal

Hoddle or Adkins?  Marginal

Hoddle or McLaren?  McLaren

Hoddle or Southgate?  Marginal

I wouldn't rule out Hoddle at all. His credentials outrank just about anyone else.  He wasn't made England manager without a good CV.
I'd sooner we go for a younger manager in the earlier stages of his career with something to prove than a dinosaur of the footballing world with with some very odd ideas and a questionable personality. The last thing we need is someone who's been out of a managerial role for eight years.

I'm not sure what comparing hoddle to some very poor managers (Irvine, Jones) achieves.

Of the names mentioned, Dick Advocaat or Mauricio Pellegrino would get my vote, if Peace could attract them. If we were to go down the up-and-coming route, I'd like to see us give Gary Neville his first job in management.  If we could attract them, Dick Advocaat or Mauricio Pellegrino would get my vote.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: leeiswba on December 04, 2014, 04:20:10 PM
I hear Martinez is getting booed at Everton

Sums up the modern day football fan  ???
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PepeMel on December 04, 2014, 04:33:46 PM
Sums up the modern day football fan  ???



Modern day football unless you have money can be a drab. The teams outside the regular top 6 will do anything to stay in the premier league and play most likely drab football
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 04, 2014, 04:36:12 PM
I'd sooner we go for a younger manager in the earlier stages of his career with something to prove than a dinosaur of the footballing world with with some very odd ideas and a questionable personality. The last thing we need is someone who's been out of a managerial role for eight years.

I'm not sure what comparing hoddle to some very poor managers (Irvine, Jones) achieves.

Of the names mentioned, Dick Advocaat or Mauricio Pellegrino would get my vote, if Peace could attract them. If we were to go down the up-and-coming route, I'd like to see us give Gary Neville his first job in management.  If we could attract them, Dick Advocaat or Mauricio Pellegrino would get my vote.

The point of comparing Hoddle with Irvine and Jones is that we have got Irvine and we may well get Jones!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 04, 2014, 05:26:45 PM
Hoddle was England manager 15 years ago. That said like virtually anyone else, I'd take him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 04, 2014, 05:39:48 PM
As we put so much emphasis on what supporters of previous clubs think, ask Wolves fans about Glenn Hoddle :-X
50 goals in a season. 8)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: GrGr on December 04, 2014, 05:43:43 PM
Hoddle would be more madness.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: allenkevanastle on December 04, 2014, 05:56:44 PM
Irvine is still in place. I think he's likely to stay there whatever happens 'til after the transfer window, otherwise JP will be pressured into spending more money. D & K seem to be set in concrete now on the staff.
Most of the names mentioned don't thrill me anymore than the one we've got and most of the experienced, established ones will not want to know under our existing arrangements.
Cosy and warm as it is, to think 'one of our own' will fix things is, IMO, naïve. We need somebody with a clear idea of what is to be achieved and a team of assistants ready to put that in place. As said above, Mel was never allowed to bring in a change to our 'sit back-hit 'em on the break/ keep possession in mf and ease the pressure' tactics we've followed for years now. I may be wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if D & K scuppered his plans.
This all sounds pessimistic, but that's how I felt since Al's appointment. I just hope that it all turns around, Val skips past fullbacks, Vic suddenly finds his scoring boots, Bobby becomes a world-beater, midfielders (I include them all) find a way to get past opponents and put telling passes and crosses behind defences.
 I really hope so; just doubt it right now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: paulosull on December 04, 2014, 09:54:41 PM
When we get relegated I'd like to see Kevin Philips given
a chance seems to have a lot of affinity to the fans
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 05, 2014, 07:39:07 AM
JP isn’t daft, he knows that many managers will not work under his leadership / club structure. Therefore he either sticks with Irvine or appoints someone like Downing or Dave Jones who would jump at the chance to work at WBA. I’d rather keep Irvine, my opinion would be different if the likes of Pullis or Jol were being lined up as a replacement.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 05, 2014, 07:41:02 AM
I would like to think someone like Southgate would at least be looked at should be be searching for new head coaches.

I think he would possibly join as a Head Coach aswell as it gets him back into club management. Done a good job with the under 21's and they seem to play some nice football at times.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 05, 2014, 08:28:28 AM
When we get relegated I'd like to see Kevin Philips given
a chance seems to have a lot of affinity to the fans

Pearson & Philips, get them signed up.
Bonus = that will drop Leicester right in it!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 05, 2014, 08:58:46 AM
Irvine is still in place. I think he's likely to stay there whatever happens 'til after the transfer window, otherwise JP will be pressured into spending more money. D & K seem to be set in concrete now on the staff.
Most of the names mentioned don't thrill me anymore than the one we've got and most of the experienced, established ones will not want to know under our existing arrangements.
Cosy and warm as it is, to think 'one of our own' will fix things is, IMO, naïve. We need somebody with a clear idea of what is to be achieved and a team of assistants ready to put that in place. As said above, Mel was never allowed to bring in a change to our 'sit back-hit 'em on the break/ keep possession in mf and ease the pressure' tactics we've followed for years now. I may be wrong but I wouldn't be surprised if D & K scuppered his plans.
This all sounds pessimistic, but that's how I felt since Al's appointment. I just hope that it all turns around, Val skips past fullbacks, Vic suddenly finds his scoring boots, Bobby becomes a world-beater, midfielders (I include them all) find a way to get past opponents and put telling passes and crosses behind defences.
 I really hope so; just doubt it right now.

He's been looking for them for years!  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 05, 2014, 09:12:17 AM
When we get relegated I'd like to see Kevin Philips given
a chance seems to have a lot of affinity to the fans
Affinity to the  fans don't make you a good coach / manager.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 05, 2014, 09:25:37 AM
As long as the next manager (if Irvine goes) has more experience of managing in a top league prior to getting the WBA job then ill be happy.

If you offered me Pulis, a mix of boring and good football and a team that battles as a unit and grinds out points, I would take that any day of the week.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 05, 2014, 09:26:08 AM
There is virtually no one you can mention who I wouldn't prefer to Irvine.
Paul Murray ( Hartlepool United )?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 05, 2014, 09:39:05 AM
Defeat at Hull on Saturday and Irvine will definitely be gone. JP has so much to lose if the club is relegated, particularly with more mega bucks up for grabs next season. I think JP has got to revert to employing a manager with his own coaching staff if we are to survive the season. We have very few options, in my view, other than Pulis, Hoddle and possibly Southgate, though I can't see Southgate giving up his cushy number at the FA.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 05, 2014, 09:56:56 AM
Looking on the bright side he's had the 'vote of confidence' by the looks of it so it shouldn't be long now
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 05, 2014, 10:02:17 AM
Paul Murray ( Hartlepool United )?
Neil Warnock
Kenny Jacket
Alec McLeish
Iain Dowie
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 05, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
Defeat at Hull on Saturday and Irvine will definitely be gone. JP has so much to lose if the club is relegated, particularly with more mega bucks up for grabs next season. I think JP has got to revert to employing a manager with his own coaching staff if we are to survive the season. We have very few options, in my view, other than Pulis, Hoddle and possibly Southgate, though I can't see Southgate giving up his cushy number at the FA.

Me neither with Southgate. He's doing a decent job, and quite clearly he has one of those faces that fit with the suits and blazers at the FA. Plus his limited stab at league management has been as patchy and indifferent as AI's.

I really can't see past Pulis. I'd have thought on paper that this job is right up his street. Should JP impose the usual conditions and Pulis thinks the job worth fighting for, he can always point to a track record and genuine achievements and lay it on the line for JP: either rejig your system to accommodate the couple of guys i want with me, or say goodbye to a boss who can galvanise the team and save your backside.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: superkev on December 05, 2014, 11:32:58 AM
Why is no-one mentioning Tim Sherwood?  He wanted to bring in his own staff but that was refused. Look how the same Spurs team were performing under him last year, attacking attractive football trying to WIN each game surely he is made for us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Astle1968 on December 05, 2014, 12:45:14 PM
Why is no-one mentioning Tim Sherwood?  He wanted to bring in his own staff but that was refused. Look how the same Spurs team were performing under him last year, attacking attractive football trying to WIN each game surely he is made for us.

Any time they played a team with better players then them they didn't just lose they got absolutely battered. Unfortunately for us we play teams better than us most weeks. The guy hasn't got a clue and someone with his self promoting outspoken personality would last about 5 minutes here.

There's been a massive amount of revisionism about his spell at Spurs coupled with the free pass & promotion he got from the press who loved a 'proper football man' in charge who could could give them plenty of quotes whilst most importantly being British. To listen to someone talk about Sherwood time in Spurs now you would think they were one of the great entertainers. In reality nothing really changed from when he took over
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cornishbaggie on December 05, 2014, 01:00:10 PM
what's ruud gullit doing?

he could maintain our long tradition of schexy football  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 05, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Paul Murray ( Hartlepool United )?

On a par with Irvine

Neil Warnock
Kenny Jacket
Alec McLeish
Iain Dowie

All better than Artificial Intelligence.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 05, 2014, 05:03:56 PM
On a par with Irvine

All better than Artificial Intelligence.

Agreed.........but still wouldn't want any of them
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 05, 2014, 05:09:24 PM
After the West Ham game I said that Irvine would be sacked after the Hull game given the wrong result. I know us fans like to speculate and we probably know less than 1% of what goes on behind the scenes, however I think Irvine's desperate substitutions did the talking on Tuesday night.

I think if Irvine knew his job was safe, he'd have stuck with the typical 'Samaras/Gamboa' subs, but instead he panicked and went all out attack. This is what I believe anyway. Irvine is no different to Clarke or Mel, Jeremy is not a fool and if we lose to Hull then I think it's goodnight Irvine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 05, 2014, 05:41:23 PM
If Irvine does get the bullet which i doubt, i think we are stuck with him for quite a while yet.

Alan Curbishly would be my choice, ok he has been out of the game for a while but he hasn't been on the moon and has a fabulous track record in the premiership with clubs similar size to us.
I also now he his big mates with Mervin Day who just so happens to be working for us.
I remember when he came to the Hawthorns with his Charlton side who were in the top four at the time and played us off the park.
Currbs for me all day long (excuse the pun)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie96 on December 05, 2014, 06:07:56 PM
Would have gone for Gary rowett but he's gone now. Erm if take Steve Clarke back personally if he was the manager we saw for the first season, ie positive football. Zola? Steve maclaren? Warburton or Eddie Howe?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: saml30 on December 05, 2014, 09:07:49 PM
I imagine Chris Hughton won't be far off, he's out of work and will probably be happy to keep in the current structure. My choice would be and has for a whole been Eddie Howe, I wanted him before Clarke although he was probably to inexperienced back then but now I think he's ready, my head also says Pulis as I know he will keep us up but I can't stand the bloke or his philosophies, anyone else who is currently out of work will have a chance
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: robnewbold on December 06, 2014, 02:21:41 AM
Chris Hugton here in ten days....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: gavinrussell on December 06, 2014, 02:39:40 AM
If AI is sacked after today's game it will be yet another shocking endictment of our recruiting policy.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: GrGr on December 06, 2014, 12:21:05 PM
If AI is sacked after today's game it will be yet another shocking endictment of our recruiting policy.

It already is.

What saves Irvine atm is simply, I'm guessing,

- that JP is fed up with the annual/semi-annual due diligence farce.
- That and the fact JP personally vouchsafed Irvine was the man to take us forward.
- Lack of obvious candidates to step in directly.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 06, 2014, 07:04:20 PM
Chris Hugton here in ten days....

Christ no - might as well keep Irvine.

Ruud Gullit anyone?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionBest on December 06, 2014, 07:35:39 PM
Chris Hugton here in ten days....

Ultra cautious coach again fitting into a failed system - great !
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: philwba1 on December 07, 2014, 12:04:31 AM
Glenn Hoddle? He could be ready for another crack at the Premier League after a few years out the firing line. Would be better suited to us now with a better quality of player than he had with the dingles.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 07, 2014, 12:07:44 AM
The thing with Hughton is you can't help but think if he wanted the job, he'd have got it in June. Given we actually had to seek out Irvine, it'd seem there was virtually no interest from the likes of Hughton who though he wouldn't have been massively popular, at least has a reasonable track record (in his time at Newcastle, Blues and Norwich last seasons his only bad season) to point at.

Regardless its exceedingly difficult to see Irvine being sacked soon, he's currently out the relegation zone, and the club will know if they sack him they probably aren't going to get anyone quickly so it'll be huge turmoil yet again in the space of a year.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie steve on December 07, 2014, 03:57:43 AM
Glenn Hoddle? He could be ready for another crack at the Premier League after a few years out the firing line. Would be better suited to us now with a better quality of player than he had with the dingles.

At least we would see some attacking football and some flair.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 07, 2014, 03:59:45 AM
Glenn Hoddle? He could be ready for another crack at the Premier League after a few years out the firing line. Would be better suited to us now with a better quality of player than he had with the dingles.

Hoddle has a lot to offer.  Is as arrogant as they come but we won't get anyone better.

Hoddle or Gullit would be a breath of fresh air.  Jol would also do a decent job.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 04:03:42 AM
At least we would see some attacking football and some flair.
As we put so much emphasis on previous fans opinions of managers, ask Wolves fans for their views on Glenn Hoddle and as for attacking football and flair,  why could a Wolves side with considerably more resource than the rest of the Championship only manage 50 goals in a season under him?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 07, 2014, 04:11:59 AM
Hoddle would be a disaster. If we can't attract the likes of Dick Advocaat and Mauricio Pellegrino (and I'd like to think we could, being in the best league in the world, if Peace were to allow him to bring in his own coaches), then we need to go for a promising, hungry, up and coming manager with a forward thinking philosophy. Not a man who's been out of football management for eight years, who's ideas even at that time were very odd to say the least.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie steve on December 07, 2014, 04:29:00 AM
As we put so much emphasis on previous fans opinions of managers, ask Wolves fans for their views on Glenn Hoddle and as for attacking football and flair,  why could a Wolves side with considerably more resource than the rest of the Championship only manage 50 goals in a season under him?

Or ask England fans of there opinion of him whilst in charge
Think he had one of the highest win ratio per games whilst playing excellent football, or ask Chelsea and Spurs fans.
Also lets ask Wednesday and Preston fans what they think of Irvine ?

Just saying loike.......
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 07, 2014, 04:51:56 AM
Or ask England fans of there opinion of him whilst in charge
Think he had one of the highest win ratio per games whilst playing excellent football, or ask Chelsea and Spurs fans.
Also lets ask Wednesday and Preston fans what they think of Irvine ?

Just saying loike.......
Oh the irony.  ???

I think the Chelsea and Spurs fans spoke and said disappointing.  Hoddle also dropped Gascoigne,  a great move for exciting and entertaining fans,  and the FA were extremely quick to jump at the opportunity to dismiss him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 07, 2014, 04:56:49 AM
I have zero trust in the club not making an unbelievable cock up again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommi on December 07, 2014, 05:20:01 AM
Why is no-one mentioning Tim Sherwood?  He wanted to bring in his own staff but that was refused. Look how the same Spurs team were performing under him last year, attacking attractive football trying to WIN each game surely he is made for us.

Because we've tried this type of manager pushing for a job in the big league.. RDM and Steve Clarke were too similar. We need experience its as simple as that, theres a reason why the same managers get appointed at mid-table Premier League clubs year on year, because they know what theyre doing.

Sheerwood had the luxury of a very talented squad at Spurs, one he certainly wont have here.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 07, 2014, 05:29:31 AM
Oh the irony.  ???

I think the Chelsea and Spurs fans spoke and said disappointing.  Hoddle also dropped Gascoigne,  a great move for exciting and entertaining fans,  and the FA were extremely quick to jump at the opportunity to dismiss him.

I haven't read anywhere that Chelsea or Spurs fans said disappointing!! Also he was dismissed from England for matters other than football and it was ridiculous he was dismissed anyway as he was doing good things for England. Gascoigne was dropped for reasons now apparent and that was his drink problem.

Hoddle would be someone to consider in my honest. I've always rated him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 07, 2014, 06:33:41 PM
The fact is, we would be extremely limited in who we were too attract if Downing and Kiely are still employed.

No manager with 'experience' would come to us without his own men.

The only manager who might consider us in our current set up, would possibly be Jol. He would be the biggest name we could attract.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 07, 2014, 06:39:43 PM
The fact is, we would be extremely limited in who we were too attract if Downing and Kiely are still employed.

No manager with 'experience' would come to us without his own men.

The only manager who might consider us in our current set up, would possibly be Jol. He would be the biggest name we could attract.

Totally agree with that.

Anybody who comes in to 'manage' and coach the first team should always be allowed to bring in their own backroom staff.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 07, 2014, 06:46:54 PM
I don't understand this Coach/Manager argument, it doesn't matter what you call them it's what they do that matters. Roy Hodgson is England Manager, but he's a coach in all but name.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies54 on December 07, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
If you bought a new house you wouldn't ask the bloke next door to choose the furnishings....Would you?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wba_jd26 on December 08, 2014, 03:26:18 AM
I cant help imagining how well the current squad would do with di matteo back in charge
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: mulliganstired on December 08, 2014, 03:38:54 AM
I would have been happy with Jol in the summer, and I think he could keep us up now.  Forget his last stint at a going off the rails Fulham, he's a well regarded continental coach... and an old boy.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 08, 2014, 05:11:37 AM
I would have been happy with Jol in the summer, and I think he could keep us up now.  Forget his last stint at a going off the rails Fulham, he's a well regarded continental coach... and an old boy.
Weren't Sheff Wed going off the rails when Alan Irvine was their manager? Seems like a reason to rule him out.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie53 on December 08, 2014, 05:50:25 AM
In hindsight I would have been very happy with any of the other names bandied about at the time of his appointment
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 08, 2014, 06:17:57 AM
I think Gary Megson has a lot to answer for, He scared the living daylights out of JP and now you have to have experience as a sunday school teacher to get a look in.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 08, 2014, 06:48:15 AM
I think Gary Megson has a lot to answer for, He scared the living daylights out of JP and now you have to have experience as a sunday school teacher to get a look in.

That is a good point.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 08, 2014, 06:52:39 AM
I think Gary Megson has a lot to answer for, He scared the living daylights out of JP and now you have to have experience as a sunday school teacher to get a look in.
After forcing Paul Thompson out.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 08, 2014, 07:39:42 AM
Christ no - might as well keep Irvine.

Ruud Gullit anyone?

What I wouldn't give to see some shexy football again at Albion!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 08, 2014, 07:46:36 AM
What I wouldn't give to see some shexy football again at Albion!

I see he was on Match of the Day at the weekend - the BBC's answer to Sky Sports' Job Centre ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: chipperclark on December 08, 2014, 09:02:55 AM
 8) Roy Keane....anyone??? He would sort out the dressing room and "pinky and perky"....would probably get a mass walkout of players!!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 08, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
8) Roy Keane....anyone??? He would sort out the dressing room and "pinky and perky"....would probably get a mass walkout of players!!!
Not for me thanks Chipper ! , mind you if what Ben Foster says is true "the whole squad is fully behind the gaffer", then I due believe that we need someone to really shake up these jokers. Too many of them are in a comfort zone, and seriously need someone to challenge them. I think that in recent years only Roy had the presence and of course experience to handle players in a firm but fair way. We are reaping the rewards of recruiting nice guys, who will accept our "structure" because they can't get a job as a "proper manager". I think that some players will see such appointees as a "soft touch" because they have no history, and therefore they need to be shown that the incumbent knows how to manage men.
JP has an extremely difficult task in attracting the right person, and to my mind only a top foreign coach, used to our settup, with his own team, will suffice.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 08, 2014, 08:22:26 PM
Not for me thanks Chipper ! , mind you if what Ben Foster says is true "the whole squad is fully behind the gaffer", then I due believe that we need someone to really shake up these jokers. Too many of them are in a comfort zone, and seriously need someone to challenge them. I think that in recent years only Roy had the presence and of course experience to handle players in a firm but fair way. We are reaping the rewards of recruiting nice guys, who will accept our "structure" because they can't get a job as a "proper manager". I think that some players will see such appointees as a "soft touch" because they have no history, and therefore they need to be shown that the incumbent knows how to manage men.
JP has an extremely difficult task in attracting the right person, and to my mind only a top foreign coach, used to our settup, with his own team, will suffice.

so we need to get a twonk in,  COLIN !!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: monkey nuts on December 08, 2014, 09:29:27 PM
the notion that JP won't get rid of or find another role for KD is actually not correct
 
when Sherwood was having talks he was bringing both Ramsey and Ferdinand with him and KD was taking over the U21's

so i wouldn't be so sure he's not removable when the shake up finally happens
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BobTaylor on December 08, 2014, 09:32:24 PM
the notion that JP won't get rid of or find another role for KD is actually not correct
 
when Sherwood was having talks he was bringing both Ramsey and Ferdinand with him and KD was taking over the U21's

so i wouldn't be so sure he's not removable when the shake up finally happens
First iv ever heard of that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 08, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
the notion that JP won't get rid of or find another role for KD is actually not correct
 
when Sherwood was having talks he was bringing both Ramsey and Ferdinand with him and KD was taking over the U21's

so i wouldn't be so sure he's not removable when the shake up finally happens

I remember that, but wasn't he reluctant to do so and dug his heels in?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 08, 2014, 09:46:56 PM
the notion that JP won't get rid of or find another role for KD is actually not correct
 
when Sherwood was having talks he was bringing both Ramsey and Ferdinand with him and KD was taking over the U21's

so i wouldn't be so sure he's not removable when the shake up finally happens
Peace has said in interviews that Sherwood's staff requirements weren't an issue, just that they preferred Irvine over him:

"If it had been a case of Tim Sherwood coming in with Chris Ramsey and Les Ferdinand, that would have been fine. There would have been no problem with it in terms of finances. I'm sure we would have agreed a package with them."

Source: BBC - June 20th 2014 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27931825)

People will have to make their own judgement about whether they believe that or not.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Bomberblueand white on December 08, 2014, 10:10:27 PM
Peace has said in interviews that Sherwood's staff requirements weren't an issue, just that they preferred Irvine over him:

"If it had been a case of Tim Sherwood coming in with Chris Ramsey and Les Ferdinand, that would have been fine. There would have been no problem with it in terms of finances. I'm sure we would have agreed a package with them."

Source: BBC - June 20th 2014 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27931825)

People will have to make their own judgement about whether they believe that or not.


Posted this earlier in thread but had a chance to chat with Les Ferdinand and he backed this up saying it wasn't to do with wages etc the board just went with AI instead of Tim
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 09, 2014, 06:07:20 AM
8) Roy Keane....anyone??? He would sort out the dressing room and "pinky and perky"....would probably get a mass walkout of players!!!


Roy Keane is the last person I would like to see heading up the Albion.

His track record is as bad as AI's.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: sing on our own on December 09, 2014, 06:10:37 AM
If I was a manager who got overlooked in favour of Irvine I would seriously consider another occupation.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: gerry m on December 09, 2014, 06:32:10 AM

Posted this earlier in thread but had a chance to chat with Les Ferdinand and he backed this up saying it wasn't to do with wages etc the board just went with AI instead of Tim

Just goes to show that being a 'Yes Man' can get you to ever you want to go!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 09, 2014, 07:31:03 AM
Brendan Rodgers anyone? ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: johnnyg on December 09, 2014, 08:25:40 AM
What about trying to tempt Fergie out of retirement to work as a part-time manager, with AI moving into a strictly coaching role !!!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 09, 2014, 10:39:11 AM

Roy Keane is the last person I would like to see heading up the Albion.

His track record is as bad as AI's.

Not true, took Sunderland from the Championship bottom 6 to the title and promotion. Irvine has got relegated and sacked.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 09, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
Saw Journalist/Former scout & sporting director Tor Kristian Karlsen post on Twitter that a couple of lower half Premier League clubs had sounded out former Porto manager Vitor Pereira. Wonder if we might have been one of them? Was strongly linked with the Everton job before Martinez got it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 09, 2014, 05:26:58 PM
We need someone proven and with a decent record at Premier Leage level. No ticks th he boxes on that basis but does he coach? We'll more than likely end up with Hughton which I wouldn't mind because compared to Irvine it'll be like we've hired Mourinho.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 09, 2014, 09:22:27 PM
We need someone proven and with a decent record at Premier Leage level. No ticks th he boxes on that basis but does he coach? We'll more than likely end up with Hughton which I wouldn't mind because compared to Irvine it'll be like we've hired Mourinho.

really ??? ask any norwich fan what they think of Hughton !

words you'll get are nice bloke, timid, defensive, stubborn. naive. tactically lacking,   All sound familiar????
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: hunsletbaggie on December 09, 2014, 10:05:24 PM
If were lucky Irvine's demise will coincide with Rodgers being let go by Liverpool. Deja vu anyone?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: charliemike on December 09, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
Last time around it should have been Eddie Howe at Bournemouth or mclaren . We need some one a bit bolder . All this defensive rubbish is doing my head in .
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 09, 2014, 10:24:48 PM
Last time around it should have been Eddie Howe at Bournemouth or mclaren . We need some one a bit bolder . All this defensive rubbish is doing my head in .



Its most certainly not the way the game should be played.Negative Coaches trying to save their jobs. What they seem to forget is the paying public want to be entertained

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kev on December 09, 2014, 10:26:07 PM
Mick McCarthy
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies54 on December 09, 2014, 10:34:14 PM
Phelan and Meulensteen, proven at the very top.....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: monkey nuts on December 09, 2014, 11:04:53 PM
First iv ever heard of that.

said it to my face mate when i had my meeting and in a genuine way trust me
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 09, 2014, 11:16:24 PM
Phelan and Meulensteen, proven at the very top.....
Urgh, Phelan
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 09, 2014, 11:35:47 PM
Not true, Keane took Sunderland from the Championship bottom 6 to the title and promotion. Irvine has got relegated and sacked.

Keane then walked from Sunderland, made a hash of the Ipswich gig, found it easier to talk the talk on ITV, is a number two for an indifferent Irish team, took the Villa number 2 job and walked...

The first few months at Sunderland were good, but the rest of his CV does not suggest he's capable or even willing to do the job we all want to see done at the Albion.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 09, 2014, 11:47:03 PM
whats SAF upto, surely he's getting under Mrs SAF's feet by now !

Be amazing to see what he would do with no budget and JP to contend with.
He'd sort the bloody clique out right sharp, I bet. (if it exists, disclaimer)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 09, 2014, 11:51:30 PM
Keane then walked from Sunderland, made a hash of the Ipswich gig, found it easier to talk the talk on ITV, is a number two for an indifferent Irish team, took the Villa number 2 job and walked...

The first few months at Sunderland were good, but the rest of his CV does not suggest he's capable or even willing to do the job we all want to see done at the Albion.

I was simply stating he's better than Ted. I'm right.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 09, 2014, 11:58:55 PM
Keane spent a lot of money at championship level with Ipswich, finished 15th with them his first season, and his second season he was 21st and sacked before he could relegate them - Irvine was also 21st when Preston sacked him.

He's really not a good manager at all.  He also took over Sunderland a few games into the season, they were expected to finish in the top 6 and spent a lot of money to do so. Still had to get them promoted but it was hardly a miracle. Probably about on par with Irvine getting Preston to the play off's with no money.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 10, 2014, 01:30:20 AM
Keane spent a lot of money at championship level with Ipswich, finished 15th with them his first season, and his second season he was 21st and sacked before he could relegate them - Irvine was also 21st when Preston sacked him.

He's really not a good manager at all.  He also took over Sunderland a few games into the season, they were expected to finish in the top 6 and spent a lot of money to do so. Still had to get them promoted but it was hardly a miracle. Probably about on par with Irvine getting Preston to the play off's with no money.
Sunderland  were in the relegation  zone  when he took over.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 10, 2014, 05:26:42 AM
Funniest bit about Roy Keane being suggested at all is how jolly hockey sticks it would be between him and Jezza.

House on fire.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2014, 05:39:43 AM
Sunderland  were in the relegation  zone  when he took over.

At a point of the season were its foolish to read anything from the table. Irvine took over a relegation dangered Preston who were struggling, kept them up comfortably, then made the play offs the next season with a low budget. It's at least in the same ball park as Keane's "achievements", then both failed miserably their second jobs.

No one would want Keane if it wasn't for his playing career, which is a foolish thing to base a manager on, as we saw with Bryan Robson.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies54 on December 10, 2014, 05:40:26 AM
Urgh, Phelan

Could you elaborate on the urgh please?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 10, 2014, 06:12:46 AM
At a point of the season were its foolish to read anything from the table. Irvine took over a relegation dangered Preston who were struggling, kept them up comfortably, then made the play offs the next season with a low budget. It's at least in the same ball park as Keane's "achievements", then both failed miserably their second jobs.

No one would want Keane if it wasn't for his playing career, which is a foolish thing to base a manager on, as we saw with Bryan Robson.
Were Ipswich financially crippled with background issues too?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: johnnyg on December 10, 2014, 06:17:31 AM
Roy Keane would be a total and utter disaster. There is plenty evidence in his managerial career to date to suggest he cannot transfer his brilliance on the pitch, to the dugout ( he left Sunderland in a mess after initially doing very well, and his spell at Ipswich was an unmitigated disaster ).
Speaking as an Irish supporter and living here in Ireland, his tenure as No. 2 to Martin O'Neill has been one massive and ongoing circus - his book launch clashed with the crucial Germany qualifier, he tangled with a fan at the team hotel in Dublin, he made some disgraceful comments about Jack Grealish's father, and what he said about Roberto Martinez and Everton (regarding James McCarthy and Seamus Coleman ) was just off the wall stuff.
We shouldn't touch him with a barge pole. I'm convinced Martin O'Neill is down on bended knee every night praying that a Premiership team makes an approach for Keane.
Steer clear, unless JP is thinking of branching out into the circus world.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: GrGr on December 10, 2014, 06:28:51 AM
Roy Keane would be a total and utter disaster. There is plenty evidence in his managerial career to date to suggest he cannot transfer his brilliance on the pitch, to the dugout ( he left Sunderland in a mess after initially doing very well, and his spell at Ipswich was an unmitigated disaster ).
Speaking as an Irish supporter and living here in Ireland, his tenure as No. 2 to Martin O'Neill has been one massive and ongoing circus - his book launch clashed with the crucial Germany qualifier, he tangled with a fan at the team hotel in Dublin, he made some disgraceful comments about Jack Grealish's father, and what he said about Roberto Martinez and Everton (regarding James McCarthy and Seamus Coleman ) was just off the wall stuff.
We shouldn't touch him with a barge pole. I'm convinced Martin O'Neill is down on bended knee every night praying that a Premiership team makes an approach for him.
Steer clear, unless JP is thinking of branching out into the circus world.

Agree with no for Keane and O'Neill.

Is there truly no talented up and coming British manager with some fresh ideas? Are they to a man caught in the most obvious stereotypical approach possible?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 10, 2014, 07:10:16 AM
Were Ipswich financially crippled with background issues too?
True, and still are which shows what a good championship manager McCarthy is. Wouldn't want him any where near us though.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 10, 2014, 09:14:16 AM
At a point of the season were its foolish to read anything from the table. Irvine took over a relegation dangered Preston who were struggling, kept them up comfortably, then made the play offs the next season with a low budget. It's at least in the same ball park as Keane's "achievements", then both failed miserably their second jobs.

No one would want Keane if it wasn't for his playing career, which is a foolish thing to base a manager on, as we saw with Bryan Robson.

No one wants Irvine in spite of his playing career. It's not even debateable who has had a more successful managerial career...

I'm not championing Roy Keane far from it I wouldn't really want him but he'd be vastly preferable to what we've got now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 10, 2014, 09:47:57 AM
No one wants Irvine in spite of his playing career. It's not even debateable who has had a more successful managerial career...

I'm not championing Roy Keane far from it I wouldn't really want him but he'd be vastly preferable to what we've got now.
I think that goes for practically every manager though!

If you want to compare their CV's, even the dreadful Dean Saunders isn't too much worse/better than Irvine's as a manager.

As much as people cringe at the likes of Phelan, right now I'd take him over Irvine; albeit like you say, it's not hard to find an improvement.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Lloydy on December 10, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
Is there truly no talented up and coming British manager with some fresh ideas? Are they to a man caught in the most obvious stereotypical approach possible?

Why do we need a British manager? As long as they speak English I'd much prefer a foreign coach. It's no coincidence that the teams in the Premier League that have British managers (I think Liverpool with Rodgers are the only exception) average the least amount of possession.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 10, 2014, 08:18:38 PM
Why do we need a British manager? As long as they speak English I'd much prefer a foreign coach. It's no coincidence that the teams in the Premier League that have British managers (I think Liverpool with Rodgers are the only exception) average the least amount of possession.
I agree with this. Attitudes of foreign coaches tend to be much more forward-thinking and intelligent. This country breeds coaches who play 4-4-2, can barely a string a sentence together, and when they do, they generally include clichés.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 10, 2014, 08:46:11 PM
I agree with this. Attitudes of foreign coaches tend to be much more forward-thinking and intelligent. This country breeds coaches who play 4-4-2, can barely a string a sentence together, and when they do, they generally include clichés.

At the end of the day you can't say it fairer than that. It's a game of two halves and I think we were hard done by. We work hard on the training ground and we are looking to put that hard work accross on the pitch. We go again.

If I was a manager I'd make it my sole aim to have a whole press conference based on clichés.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 10, 2014, 10:32:49 PM
you have to wonder if the people training the coaching badges are just churning out the same formula week after week, year after year, and hence the coaches are all of the same mindset / calibre.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 10, 2014, 10:40:24 PM
you have to wonder if the people training the coaching badges are just churning out the same formula week after week, year after year, and hence the coaches are all of the same mindset / calibre.

The thing that confuses me is, I watch alot of the Under 16s due to my friends brother playing for them, and they are continuously taught to play football, press teams and be direct.

I have watched the under 15s and the under 18s play also and their coaches are exactly the same, encouraging the lads to play football, press and be direct when attacking.

Yet when we watch the senior team its nothing like that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 11, 2014, 12:55:04 AM
No one wants Irvine in spite of his playing career. It's not even debateable who has had a more successful managerial career...

I'm not championing Roy Keane far from it I wouldn't really want him but he'd be vastly preferable to what we've got now.

Point taken absolutely. I understand what you're saying.

I think when all's said and done we need someone with a track record of success in leading a club long term and also consistently motivating players. Neither AI or RK can really be defined in those terms.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Yamaka on December 11, 2014, 01:14:18 AM
you have to wonder if the people training the coaching badges are just churning out the same formula week after week, year after year, and hence the coaches are all of the same mindset / calibre.

I think it is the same with all professions these days, collecting "paperwork" gets us much further than actual bona fida talent.  In order to aquire the necessary qualifications you have to learn a whole bunch of formulaic clap trap created by academics and computer programmers who know how to put impressive shiny packages together but with no idea of the actual job. The outcome being that those who do as they are told, tread the same path with little imagination are the ones that thrive.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbafc68 on December 11, 2014, 02:03:59 AM
After 30 years in Industry I would say that it is pretty much across the board that innovators and people who think outside the box are generally squeezed out and end up running their own small businesses. In football management I would say its 80% people management ( made harder these days by the agents and the SKy money) and 20% coaching ability. You only need the 20% coaching ability to make sure the people who you use as day to day coaches aren't talking total b****x and give them a kick if they are. Mourinho is a decisive decision maker and clever man manager and that includes his mind games with press. Fergie, Shanks , Paisley Clough etc used a 'fear' regime much as many self made entrepreneurs do. I must say that they could all spot a player though and generally fit square pegs into square holes. This is what seems to me as the problem with modern coaches. If they aren't switching players , systems etc they think they are not doing their job. Sometimes I  think we have too many coaches making a simple game too complicated. If Irvine wants to save himself he needs to manage on his own not by committee then at least when he fails its just his own ideas he can blame.   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Yamaka on December 11, 2014, 03:17:25 AM
However we wish to deconstruct talent, in his own field it could be argued that Clough was every bit as talented as Best. They certainly both marched to their own tune to an extent and paid the price for it. In line with all the money I would hope things would have progressed today, characters like Mourinho and our very own Hodgson of late show that talent is obvious to those who can see beyond the maths.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Adder on December 11, 2014, 08:44:55 AM
After 30 years in Industry I would say that it is pretty much across the board that innovators and people who think outside the box are generally squeezed out and end up running their own small businesses. In football management I would say its 80% people management ( made harder these days by the agents and the SKy money) and 20% coaching ability. You only need the 20% coaching ability to make sure the people who you use as day to day coaches aren't talking total b****x and give them a kick if they are. Mourinho is a decisive decision maker and clever man manager and that includes his mind games with press. Fergie, Shanks , Paisley Clough etc used a 'fear' regime much as many self made entrepreneurs do. I must say that they could all spot a player though and generally fit square pegs into square holes. This is what seems to me as the problem with modern coaches. If they aren't switching players , systems etc they think they are not doing their job. Sometimes I  think we have too many coaches making a simple game too complicated. If Irvine wants to save himself he needs to manage on his own not by committee then at least when he fails its just his own ideas he can blame.
I'm certain that the great managerial names you mention knew exactly when to use the fear factor and when to use the calmer approach. But I think the point is highly relevant with our insistence on the head coach role. Any great manager or lead in any sport knows how to make people tick at the right time. Clarke had absolutely no experience as a number 1 and obviously Irvine had a less than impressive track record. Therefore we had no evidence that these two were any good as 'people managers' just that they were highly regarded as coaches.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 11, 2014, 08:12:55 PM
I don't know anybody who flourishes in a fear driven working environment. It's possible to challenge people to perform better without using "fear" as a driver.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cornishbaggie on December 11, 2014, 08:24:56 PM
so 11 pages of comments and no one has come up with a decent replacement yet...says it all really.  :(
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 11, 2014, 08:26:29 PM
I don't know anybody who flourishes in a fear driven working environment. It's possible to challenge people to perform better without using "fear" as a driver.

Some like an arm around the shoulder, some respond to pressure (me), some need a kick up the jacksie.
I have worked with some people who will swing the lead when allowed but perform excellently when motivated by an "aggressive" boss.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 11, 2014, 08:27:16 PM
so 11 pages of comments and no one has come up with a decent replacement yet...says it all really.  :(

Exactly my point.

And the reason why JP won't pull the trigger any time soon.

If there was a Hodgson type person out there Irvine would already have gone.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 11, 2014, 09:00:29 PM
There are loads of potential candidates out there. We just have to become more attractive to potential suitors. If that means changing the structure or paying compensation then so be it. I remember people saying we'd never get a keeper better than Carson!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 11, 2014, 09:01:44 PM
Exactly my point.

And the reason why JP won't pull the trigger any time soon.

If there was a Hodgson type person out there Irvine would already have gone.

There are hundreds of appropriate managers out there in the foreign leagues, plenty of which are English-speaking. It's just about having the imagination to go out there and find them.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 11, 2014, 09:05:50 PM
There are hundreds of appropriate managers out there in the foreign leagues, plenty of which are English-speaking. It's just about having the imagination to go out there and find them.

If our structure was set up a little differently, then we are a very attractive club to take over.
No doubt, quite a stable club with a good squad of players (debatable at times).

Our biggest concern is the persistance to keep Kiely and Downing as part of the backroom staff, and im guessing the restrictions put on certain 'coaches' in regards to transfers makes the job look a little less attractive that it could be.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 11, 2014, 09:11:02 PM
If our structure was set up a little differently, then we are a very attractive club to take over.
No doubt, quite a stable club with a good squad of players (debatable at times).

Our biggest concern is the persistance to keep Kiely and Downing as part of the backroom staff, and im guessing the restrictions put on certain 'coaches' in regards to transfers makes the job look a little less attractive that it could be.
I agree. Peace needs to be willing to a) pay compensation if necessary, and b) let the new man bring in his own coaching team, letting go of Downing and Kiely
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies54 on December 11, 2014, 10:01:30 PM
so 11 pages of comments and no one has come up with a decent replacement yet...says it all really.  :(

I suggested Phelan and Meulensteen, what better than the team that ran the club that was at the top of the Premiership?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 11, 2014, 10:08:38 PM
Irvine may be a good coach but as a first team coach he has to be equally good at managing players and selecting teams. His record suggest that he obviously isn't up to this task. It may be worth moving him sideways to look after our developing players and bringing someone in at the helm.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Bilston Dan on December 11, 2014, 10:59:01 PM
Irvine may be a good coach but as a first team coach he has to be equally good at managing players and selecting teams. His record suggest that he obviously isn't up to this task. It may be worth moving him sideways to look after our developing players and bringing someone in at the helm.

To be honest I was thinking this on the bus back to work that being a very good coach and a good number doesn't necessarily make you a good number 1. Think of great players who seemed to be destined to be managers and then look at their track record. I'm not denying he's not a good coach, on the contrary, I just don't think he's management material. I'm sure he's a fantastic number 2 but I don't think he's a number 1.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 11, 2014, 11:25:16 PM
To be honest I was thinking this on the bus back to work that being a very good coach and a good number doesn't necessarily make you a good number 1. Think of great players who seemed to be destined to be managers and then look at their track record. I'm not denying he's not a good coach, on the contrary, I just don't think he's management material. I'm sure he's a fantastic number 2 but I don't think he's a number 1.


Brian Kidd ??
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 11, 2014, 11:28:57 PM
To be honest I was thinking this on the bus back to work that being a very good coach and a good number doesn't necessarily make you a good number 1. Think of great players who seemed to be destined to be managers and then look at their track record. I'm not denying he's not a good coach, on the contrary, I just don't think he's management material. I'm sure he's a fantastic number 2 but I don't think he's a number 1.

Interestingly I think Irvine would have worked well as Pepe Mels assistant.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stever60 on December 11, 2014, 11:52:21 PM
Ally McCoist........he was good on Question of Sport!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: robnewbold on December 12, 2014, 12:04:18 AM
No one wanted the job on our terms last summer and no one wants it now...I fear we are stuck with this doughnut until the final, fatal days of May....then and only then will be finally clear out the dross...of course we will have already been relegated so the changes of getting a decent manager and backroom staff will be even more difficult.

If we act quickly we may be able to attract someone to accept the challenge of keeping us up, with the promise of a two year contract whatever happens...the longer this endures the less chance we have of finding anyone whose dull enough.

Someone with half a brain can see this squad is good enough, its just that our current team of dimwits doesn't know what to do with them.....it would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody tragic.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 12, 2014, 12:14:18 AM
No one wanted the job on our terms last summer and no one wants it now...I fear we are stuck with this doughnut until the final, fatal days of May....then and only then will be finally clear out the dross...of course we will have already been relegated so the changes of getting a decent manager and backroom staff will be even more difficult.

If we act quickly we may be able to attract someone to accept the challenge of keeping us up, with the promise of a two year contract whatever happens...the longer this endures the less chance we have of finding anyone whose dull enough.

Someone with half a brain can see this squad is good enough, its just that our current team of dimwits doesn't know what to do with them.....it would be hilarious if it wasn't so bloody tragic.

Tim Sherwood seemed to be a little sore for a while after we turned him down and couldn't bring his mates along due to big compensation packages for them. Ironic that they were sacked a week later. I assume Sherwood was pushing his luck there trying to get some jobs for the boys knowing full well they could have come for free sooner or later.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 12, 2014, 02:03:09 AM
Tim Sherwood seemed to be a little sore for a while after we turned him down and couldn't bring his mates along due to big compensation packages for them. Ironic that they were sacked a week later. I assume Sherwood was pushing his luck there trying to get some jobs for the boys knowing full well they could have come for free sooner or later.

Or maybe Spurs were holding fire on getting rid of them hoping to get compensation and avoiding paying them off.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 12, 2014, 07:41:38 AM
Tim Sherwood seemed to be a little sore for a while after we turned him down and couldn't bring his mates along due to big compensation packages for them. Ironic that they were sacked a week later. I assume Sherwood was pushing his luck there trying to get some jobs for the boys knowing full well they could have come for free sooner or later.

I think that was the assumption we all made at the time, but didn't someone post the other day saying how Les Ferdinand had said that in principle deals were agreed and that the Albion just wanted to go with AI?

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 12, 2014, 08:37:26 AM
Or maybe Spurs were holding fire on getting rid of them hoping to get compensation and avoiding paying them off.

Probably likely too, why wouldn't they - but they could have left their posts, and the money saved not spent on compensation recycled into their personal deals quite easily. Sherwood could have been brought in and then the others brought in after Spurs innevitably let them go. I'd have thought Sherwood would have wanted to give them lot a two fingered salute after they got rid of him. Who knows.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stubba on December 13, 2014, 07:24:52 AM
I think that was the assumption we all made at the time, but didn't someone post the other day saying how Les Ferdinand had said that in principle deals were agreed and that the Albion just wanted to go with AI?
yup that's correct
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 15, 2014, 09:19:13 AM
I see that Nigel Adkins has been sacked by Reading tonight.  He'd be a very good option for us.  Was very unluckily to lose his job at Saints although in their defence they kicked on with his replacements.  I think he would fit our structure well, and has always tried to play decent football.

I would expect him to be towards the top of the shortlist if Peace pulls the trigger.  Experienced PL manager with a decent record with weak sides.  We could do a lot worse  and he's a far better option than many of the dinosaurs out there.  I'd even take him ahead of Jol.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies54 on December 15, 2014, 10:05:36 AM
I see that Nigel Adkins has been sacked by Reading tonight.  He'd be a very good option for us.  Was very unluckily to lose his job at Saints although in their defence they kicked on with his replacements.  I think he would fit our structure well, and has always tried to play decent football.

I would expect him to be towards the top of the shortlist if Peace pulls the trigger.  Experienced PL manager with a decent record with weak sides.  We could do a lot worse  and he's a far better option than many of the dinosaurs out there.  I'd even take him ahead of Jol.

We have a learner who we are not happy with, I don't see the wisdom of going for a recent two time failure.  Baggies are not a weak side....we can hold our own with all the top clubs if we go about the job in the right manner.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 15, 2014, 10:30:35 AM
I wasn't saying or implying that Baggies are a weak side.  I was saying that Adkins has done ok in the PL with weak sides.  With us he could do a lot better.

In what way he is he a "two time failure"?  Are you suggesting he failed at Saints?

Every single manager who ever comes under consideration for managing the Baggies is likely to have failed at least once somewhere else. Either that or they will be a complete managerial novice.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 15, 2014, 06:23:15 PM
Not sure I would want Adkins as manager if it came to it.

I do think he tries to play the right way, but I dont know, just something would feel right with having him here, and I think the split of fans would be 50-50 again.

If Irvine does go, the next manager needs to get the fans on his side from the start. (Mel did that and look at the support he got from the fans).
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 15, 2014, 09:52:38 PM
Irvine now has an opportunity to buy himself a lot more time, I hope he takes it for all our sakes, if the team draw back into their shell, I will be very disappointed.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies54 on December 15, 2014, 10:07:58 PM
I wasn't saying or implying that Baggies are a weak side.  I was saying that Adkins has done ok in the PL with weak sides.  With us he could do a lot better.

In what way he is he a "two time failure"?  Are you suggesting he failed at Saints?

Every single manager who ever comes under consideration for managing the Baggies is likely to have failed at least once somewhere else. Either that or they will be a complete managerial novice.

'Decent record with weak sides' implies West Brom fall into that category, being sacked is not exactly successful is it? Saints hirers and firers must have known what was coming had he stayed on.

There is no reason why Baggies cannot hire a decent manager, other than being too tight with the purse strings.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: seteefeet on December 15, 2014, 10:47:17 PM
'Decent record with weak sides' implies West Brom fall into that category, being sacked is not exactly successful is it? Saints hirers and firers must have known what was coming had he stayed on.

There is no reason why Baggies cannot hire a decent manager, other than being too tight with the purse strings.
We don't hire managers though we hire head coaches and I think it is this more than money that restricts our attraction.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 15, 2014, 10:50:42 PM
We don't hire managers though we hire head coaches and I think it is this more than money that restricts our attraction.

I think its a combination of the above and a ready made in house coaching staff
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 16, 2014, 03:12:33 AM
I wasn't saying or implying that Baggies are a weak side.  I was saying that Adkins has done ok in the PL with weak sides.  With us he could do a lot better.

In what way he is he a "two time failure"?  Are you suggesting he failed at Saints?

Every single manager who ever comes under consideration for managing the Baggies is likely to have failed at least once somewhere else. Either that or they will be a complete managerial novice.
failed twice and a novice head coach in irvines case,
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 16, 2014, 03:49:34 AM
failed twice and a novice head coach in irvines case,

Didn't fail at Preston. He comfortably avoided relegation with them after taking over while in the relegation zone then in the next season got them into the play offs on one of the league's smallest budgets. There was a reason we wanted him five years ago, he was very highly rated.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albertbaggie on December 16, 2014, 05:50:07 PM
The list of people being mentioned as a replacement are laughable. 
As for Irvine. I'm not his biggest fan and have been very unimpressed by team selections and some of the football on show.
But I think he deserves credit for the number of clean sheets we have kept this season. Sometimes you have to build from solid foundations and maybe he will become more adventurous as the season progresses. I hope so.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cuckfield1704 on December 17, 2014, 03:05:20 AM
Irvine not liked by fans and Adkins available. lots of  2+2= fish stuff in football odds.
Would you want Atkins now? or Rosler ? -another quoted before AI's appointment. Reading and Wigan left struggling and another quoted in the 'odds' for the Albion job a few months ago Malky Mackay hasn't started too well at Wigan either. Near misses for Albion all of them.
Let's get on with what we have, he is doing OK, will move on from the base he has created, and stop harping on about the near irrelevance of Preston and Sheffield Wednesday.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 17, 2014, 03:16:40 AM
Would you want Atkins now? or Rosler ? -another quoted before AI's appointment. Reading and Wigan left struggling and another quoted in the 'odds' for the Albion job a few months ago Malky Mackay hasn't started too well at Wigan either. Near misses for Albion all of them.
Let's get on with what we have, he is doing OK, will move on from the base he has created, and stop harping on about the near irrelevance of Preston and Sheffield Wednesday.

None of the names you mention should be anywhere near a list of potential Premiership managers names.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: geoff on December 17, 2014, 04:32:01 AM
I just want a manager/coach who will bring a pressing style of football & where we move the ball more forwards & sideway then sideways & backwards played at a high tempo & players finding space's for themselves. Does he have to have experience yes unless its a new young coach who has played that style of football all his carer i/e Gary Neville & Nicky Butt
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Adder on December 21, 2014, 09:54:48 AM
The points haul from the last 8 games hasn't been good but I'm taking the view that we've had a proper offensive threat available for the last 2 games and scored 3 goals and played more football. AI and the players will be disappointed to have conceded 3 yesterday. If AI went now as some are demanding, we'd be left with Downing and Kiely in charge over the busy Christmas period again.
There's the huge question of who would we get in if Irvine went ? For those wanting Pulis I'd just ask would you be happy if we played like the Pulis Stoke week in week out...which could happen..it's a no from me.
As long as Irvine keeps picking a side with an offensive threat as in the last 2 games I'm happy to give him more time. After all we are currently where most people would expect us to be in the league and not in Leicester's position.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 21, 2014, 10:00:49 AM
The points haul from the last 8 games hasn't been good but I'm taking the view that we've had a proper offensive threat available for the last 2 games and scored 3 goals and played more football. AI and the players will be disappointed to have conceded 3 yesterday. If AI went now as some are demanding, we'd be left with Downing and Kiely in charge over the busy Christmas period again.
There's the huge question of who would we get in if Irvine went ? For those wanting Pulis I'd just ask would you be happy if we played like the Pulis Stoke week in week out...which could happen..it's a no from me.
As long as Irvine keeps picking a side with an offensive threat as in the last 2 games I'm happy to give him more time. After all we are currently where most people would expect us to be in the league and not in Leicester's position.

Normally I would agree about pulis, however he showed signs at palace that he is willing to adapt to a squad.


Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 21, 2014, 10:01:28 AM
Pulis will never come to Albion whilst JP is in charge, but I saw him on TV yesterday looking very pleased with himself, and I would'nt mind betting he has already secured a position at Leicester. Perfect club for him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: botters on December 21, 2014, 10:03:35 AM
The points haul from the last 8 games hasn't been good but I'm taking the view that we've had a proper offensive threat available for the last 2 games and scored 3 goals and played more football. AI and the players will be disappointed to have conceded 3 yesterday. If AI went now as some are demanding, we'd be left with Downing and Kiely in charge over the busy Christmas period again.
There's the huge question of who would we get in if Irvine went ? For those wanting Pulis I'd just ask would you be happy if we played like the Pulis Stoke week in week out...which could happen..it's a no from me.
As long as Irvine keeps picking a side with an offensive threat as in the last 2 games I'm happy to give him more time. After all we are currently where most people would expect us to be in the league and not in Leicester's position.

The point is that although we are not in Leicester's position, we are likely to be in the bottom three if we lose the next three games as see us getting any points against Man City (H) Stoke and West Ham (A). At Crystal Palace under Pulis they actually played attacking football with wingers, I believe that he could utilise the attacking players we have in our squad far better than Irvine. Question is does JP wait until we have lost three more games and are in the bottom three before he takes action?   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 21, 2014, 10:04:19 AM
Pulis will never come to Albion whilst JP is in charge, but I saw him on TV yesterday looking very pleased with himself, and I would'nt mind betting he has already secured a position at Leicester. Perfect club for him.

You're probably right.

We need a manager now and not a coach. We need someone to give the players a kick and not be their friend.

For that reason alone pulis fits but I agree that it's unlikely he'll ever come here.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 10:08:10 AM
Normally I would agree about pulis, however he showed signs at palace that he is willing to adapt to a squad.

I agree with that.  Palace played some great football under him last season and I doubt he would have tried to replicate "the Stoke way" had he stayed there.

Unless we change our structure we aren't going to attract a MANAGER, but that's exactly what we need.

Martin Jol for me.  Now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: alwaysbilly on December 21, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
I agree with that.  Palace played some great football under him last season and I doubt he would have tried to replicate "the Stoke way" had he stayed there.

Unless we change our structure we aren't going to attract a MANAGER, but that's exactly what we need.

Martin Jol for me.  Now.
My depressing prediction :
AI will keep doing enough to keep the job - i.e. win a game in every 4 or 5, end of Feb we will be in a scrap and ultimately fail. He will then be in charge for a championship mess of a season and by next October be mid/lower half and looking for new manager - great adventure over.

ffs - finishing 8th was the worst thing to happen, god knows how we managed it but it must have scared the life out of JP as he knew that was a perfect opportunity given to us on a plate to kick on.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 21, 2014, 12:09:45 PM
The point is that although we are not in Leicester's position, we are likely to be in the bottom three if we lose the next three games as see us getting any points against Man City (H) Stoke and West Ham (A). At Crystal Palace under Pulis they actually played attacking football with wingers, I believe that he could utilise the attacking players we have in our squad far better than Irvine. Question is does JP wait until we have lost three more games and are in the bottom three before he takes action?   
I don't expect us to get much out of Man City or West Ham but, despite being a former bogey club, I see no reason why we can not get something out of Stoke who are just two points above us. To drop into the bottom three it will take four clubs to come above us. Leicester and Hull are currently out of it, which leaves QPR, Sunderland,  Palace and Burnley to pick up more points than us. They all have a winnable game in the period (except for Burnley) but Palace's is against QPR, so they both wont win and Burnley play Liverpool,  Man City and Newcastle. Even if we do not pick up any points, I predict we will not be in the bottom three at 6pm on Jan 1st.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 21, 2014, 03:59:37 PM
My depressing prediction :
AI will keep doing enough to keep the job - i.e. win a game in every 4 or 5, end of Feb we will be in a scrap and ultimately fail. He will then be in charge for a championship mess of a season and by next October be mid/lower half and looking for new manager - great adventure over.

ffs - finishing 8th was the worst thing to happen, god knows how we managed it but it must have scared the life out of JP as he knew that was a perfect opportunity given to us on a plate to kick on.

I don't see Irvine staying on at all if we go down.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 21, 2014, 05:47:03 PM
Rodgers if he gets sacked tomorrow? Though his Liverpool team at the moment cant defend for sh*t!

 Less likely now they scraped a draw.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 21, 2014, 06:08:41 PM
Martin Jol please! His win percentage before Fulham is excellent and his time at Fulham is something people will point towards but you know what, it's not even that bad. He's an ex-Baggie, what better way to win back the fans than get a guy in who has worked in this kind of set up and done well and has a connection with the club.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 21, 2014, 07:53:30 PM
I've seen some excellent comments on here from all angles wether AI should stay or go, yesterday for me was probably the final straw. To lose to a relegation rival after being two up is inexcusable.






This, this,this and this again.

It was the kind of thing that Roy eventually put right, and Clarke (inheriting Roy's set up and general preparation with the players then at hand) carried on.

Under AI we're backsliding and committing the same kind of errors that we'd eradicated.

It's not just him. It's the coaching staff as well.

Pulis or bust for me. He can drill a team. Points on the board and stability at the back are what's needed first. He can make it pretty once the ship's steadied and we're safe. Just like Allardyce has done at the Spanners.

If JP has half a brain, he'll realise that some accommodation and adaptation of the club's set up will be needed under the circumstances, to accommodate a boss like a Pulis who might want more of a say over things. It's all about adapting to the circumstances at hand.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 21, 2014, 08:19:06 PM

This, this,this and this again.

It was the kind of thing that Roy eventually put right, and Clarke (inheriting Roy's set up and general preparation with the players then at hand) carried on.

Under AI we're backsliding and committing the same kind of errors that we'd eradicated.

It's not just him. It's the coaching staff as well.

Pulis or bust for me. He can drill a team. Points on the board and stability at the back are what's needed first. He can make it pretty once the ship's steadied and we're safe. Just like Allardyce has done at the Spanners.

If JP has half a brain, he'll realise that some accommodation and adaptation of the club's set up will be needed under the circumstances, to accommodate a boss like a Pulis who might want more of a say over things. It's all about adapting to the circumstances at hand.
Spot on!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: 17GD on December 21, 2014, 08:35:39 PM

This, this,this and this again.

It was the kind of thing that Roy eventually put right, and Clarke (inheriting Roy's set up and general preparation with the players then at hand) carried on.

Under AI we're backsliding and committing the same kind of errors that we'd eradicated.

It's not just him. It's the coaching staff as well.

Pulis or bust for me. He can drill a team. Points on the board and stability at the back are what's needed first. He can make it pretty once the ship's steadied and we're safe. Just like Allardyce has done at the Spanners.

If JP has half a brain, he'll realise that some accommodation and adaptation of the club's set up will be needed under the circumstances, to accommodate a boss like a Pulis who might want more of a say over things. It's all about adapting to the circumstances at hand.

Pulis will not come to the Albion. Never ever. I don't understand why so many people cannot see this. It's been said elsewhere that he left Palace because he couldn't buy players, we're hardly a free-spending club are we? I agree that someone like Pulis would be good for us, but it won't be him.

And with Bung-Taker, what's he ever done at a club, other than take Nolan with him, who follows like a little lost sheep? He's having a decent season so far, but Clarke guided us to 8th not that long ago. Who saw that coming?

Ultimately, it's got to be in JP's heart to sack him and do what's good for the club overall. But JP isn't interested in anything other than making money. I don't think he wants us to go down, as we must be making money hand over fist in this league. He just isn't willing to spend the money required to make us comfortable.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 21, 2014, 08:53:30 PM
Too much 'The coach is a nice bloke we all want to do well for him' coming out the club since Clarke, Downing and now Irvine.

We need someone who can demand respect because he means business not because he's a lovely bloke to work with. Ferguson was hated by half his players. I'm sure the likes of Clough and even Mourinho nowadays aren't scared to scream bloody blue murder at players who don't pull their weight. In fact I've read Mourinho's one of Mourinho's team talks back in the day involved telling his players to tear the opposition a new one and involved him booting a flip chart stand across the changing room.

We need someone who gets respect for being tough and demanding, not because it's a lovely atmosphere. The coach isn't there to be liked. He's there to get the best out of people. And who ever did their best when they weren't out their comfort zone?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 21, 2014, 08:57:55 PM
Too much 'The coach is a nice bloke we all want to do well for him' coming out the club since Clarke, Downing and now Irvine.

We need someone who can demand respect because he means business not because he's a lovely bloke to work with. Ferguson was hated by half his players. I'm sure the likes of Clough and even Mourinho nowadays aren't scared to scream bloody blue murder at players who don't pull their weight. In fact I've read Mourinho's one of Mourinho's team talks back in the day involved telling his players to tear the opposition a new one and involved him booting a flip chart stand across the changing room.

We need someone who gets respect for being tough and demanding, not because it's a lovely atmosphere. The coach isn't there to be liked. He's there to get the best out of people. And who ever did their best when they weren't out their comfort zone?

Which also explains why Pepe Mel didn't cut it with us. Same with AI. TIME FOR NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!!!!
And for that reason, Alan, lovely bloke, but you're fired.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 08:59:31 PM
Which also explains why Pepe Mel didn't cut it with us. Same with AI. TIME FOR NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!!!!
And for that reason, Alan, lovely bloke, but you're fired.

Based on the last few comments it looks ideal for Martin Jol.....I can't see us going for either Roy Keane or Paolo Di Canio!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 21, 2014, 09:03:02 PM
Players too comfy in their surroundings. Whole coaching staff needs replacing. We want a Derek mic ness or Neil Lennon (the latter has banned hats and gloves from boltons training ground) we need a manger who isn't pally with people who isn't Afraid to drop people.

Irvine supposedly a good coach, our defending set pieces would suggest otherwise. We need someone who can motivate the players, install belief and passion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Aztech on December 21, 2014, 09:03:25 PM
Too much 'The coach is a nice bloke we all want to do well for him' coming out the club since Clarke, Downing and now Irvine.

We need someone who can demand respect because he means business not because he's a lovely bloke to work with. Ferguson was hated by half his players. I'm sure the likes of Clough and even Mourinho nowadays aren't scared to scream bloody blue murder at players who don't pull their weight. In fact I've read Mourinho's one of Mourinho's team talks back in the day involved telling his players to tear the opposition a new one and involved him booting a flip chart stand across the changing room.

We need someone who gets respect for being tough and demanding, not because it's a lovely atmosphere. The coach isn't there to be liked. He's there to get the best out of people. And who ever did their best when they weren't out their comfort zone?

Unfortunately someone who gets respect for being tough and demanding will never be employed in the first place as by definition they tend to be their own man and would not accept the terms Peace will insist upon.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 21, 2014, 09:20:48 PM
are we back to needing a megson type manager again, as much as im thankfull for everything he did for us id like someone with his discipline and will to win buy not his style of football.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 21, 2014, 09:22:47 PM
Pulis is the obvious candidate with his ability to keep average/struggling sides in the league and steady the ship. Question is though would he come? In my opinion I don't think he would given the current structure of the club.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Aztech on December 21, 2014, 09:25:19 PM
Pulis is the obvious candidate with his ability to keep average/struggling sides in the league and steady the ship. Question is though would he come? In my opinion I don't think he would given the current structure of the club.

More chance of me taking over than Pulis!  :o
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 09:28:11 PM
Am fairly sure Sherwood would still come - clearly came very close last time and is still available.....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 21, 2014, 09:38:09 PM
Unfortunately someone who gets respect for being tough and demanding will never be employed in the first place as by definition they tend to be their own man and would not accept the terms Peace will insist upon.

Agreed. Megson was the last one like this we had and nobody needs reminding how that professional relationship went. I'd love for us to have a manager who looks like he's kicking every ball. Clarke looked about as happy to win a game as you would be if someone shat on your doorstep. Mel looked terrified. Irvine looks like he's going to throw himself off a bridge.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 21, 2014, 09:43:41 PM
Agreed. Megson was the last one like this we had and nobody needs reminding how that professional relationship went. I'd love for us to have a manager who looks like he's kicking every ball. Clarke looked about as happy to win a game as you would be if someone shat on your doorstep. Mel looked terrified. Irvine looks like he's going to throw himself off a bridge.
so we don't want anyone who's sad scared or suicidal. rules out any albion fan from applying for the job.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 21, 2014, 09:45:12 PM
Let's just get someone in who will unite us all and we can all get behind
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 21, 2014, 09:49:21 PM
Am fairly sure Sherwood would still come - clearly came very close last time and is still available.....

Wasn't the reason he didn't join before because of the fact he wanted Les Ferdinand as his assistant but the club wouldn't allow that to happen under the current structure?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 10:03:59 PM
Wasn't the reason he didn't join before because of the fact he wanted Les Ferdinand as his assistant but the club wouldn't allow that to happen under the current structure?

Correct.  I am increasingly confident that JP will rip up the current structure.  He's no fool. Its obvious that its not working.  Relative success under Roy and Clarke (for a while) I think had convinced him that it was a viable structure.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 21, 2014, 10:05:10 PM
Wasn't the reason he didn't join before because of the fact he wanted Les Ferdinand as his assistant but the club wouldn't allow that to happen under the current structure?

The answer to that is get rid of kiely and downing. Their a massive part of the problem. Sack all 3 of them. All though the chance of that happening is very slim
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 21, 2014, 10:10:10 PM
Correct.  I am increasingly confident that JP will rip up the current structure.  He's no fool. Its obvious that its not working.  Relative success under Roy and Clarke (for a while) I think had convinced him that it was a viable structure.

I don't know about rip up, because you could argue that'd be tantamount to saying it is wrong.

Truth is, it HAS worked. It's just the current personnel that's wrong.

I reckon there's nothing wrong with retaining the skeleton of the existing structure, but rejigging it somewhat if you had an outstanding candidate- with A TRACK RECORD hint hint- who comes in and says 'with respect we need to do a few things differently'.

Long story short, I think if JP was willing to budge there'd be a few decent candidates who'd be willing to meet him halfway.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 21, 2014, 10:17:47 PM
I don't know about rip up, because you could argue that'd be tantamount to saying it is wrong.

Truth is, it HAS worked. It's just the current personnel that's wrong.

I reckon there's nothing wrong with retaining the skeleton of the existing structure, but rejigging it somewhat if you had an outstanding candidate- with A TRACK RECORD hint hint- who comes in and says 'with respect we need to do a few things differently'.

Long story short, I think if JP was willing to budge there'd be a few decent candidates who'd be willing to meet him halfway.

I agree with you, and JP did very publicly say that "lessons have been learned".  One of those lessons may well have been to learn to accept that he is sometimes wrong and needs to be flexible.

So, bring in someone above Irvine who is happy for him to be his assistant (and vice versa), and get rid of Downing and Kiely.   That would be a compromise between the two systems but would provide continuity and, most importantly, bring the best out of Irvine who could find himself in an ideal job as a respected number 2 (remember he was merely Academy coach at Everton) for the next 5-10 years.   He might be willing to accept that.

Jol (or Sherwood) with Irvine plus Burton?  Or get rid of Burton as well?

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 21, 2014, 10:20:29 PM
I don't know about rip up, because you could argue that'd be tantamount to saying it is wrong.

Truth is, it HAS worked. It's just the current personnel that's wrong.

I reckon there's nothing wrong with retaining the skeleton of the existing structure, but rejigging it somewhat if you had an outstanding candidate- with A TRACK RECORD hint hint- who comes in and says 'with respect we need to do a few things differently'.

Long story short, I think if JP was willing to budge there'd be a few decent candidates who'd be willing to meet him halfway.
It only worked when a highly experienced manager was brought in.
All the rest have failed.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 21, 2014, 10:54:11 PM
Let's just get someone in who will unite us all and we can all get behind

I totally agree we need someone who is going to motivate the players keep them on their toes and unite the fans. In my opinion Sherwood ticks those boxes but Peace would need to sack Irvine,Downing and Kiely for that to happen.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 22, 2014, 07:10:47 AM
Why does everyone think having unhappy staff will make them perform better?  Does it in your place of work?  I understand the Alex Ferguson hairdryer treatment but that worked due to the command and respect he had earned over many years.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 22, 2014, 08:34:34 AM
The jobs got Jols name written all over it in my opinion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 22, 2014, 08:44:55 AM
Let's just get someone in who will unite us all and we can all get behind

Such as?????
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 22, 2014, 08:46:18 AM
Am fairly sure Sherwood would still come - clearly came very close last time and is still available.....

surely if he was that good someone would have offered him a job by now? Seems happy writing a rubbish column in the Independent.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 23, 2014, 09:56:35 AM
Would have to be Martin Jol for me if it comes down to it.
Jackie McNamara doing a good job at Dundee United too, wouldnt be a bad shout.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
surely if he was that good someone would have offered him a job by now? Seems happy writing a rubbish column in the Independent.

Seems to be on his way to Brighton

Martin Jol is a far better fit for us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 10:11:01 AM
Would have to be Martin Jol for me if it comes down to it.
Jackie McNamara doing a good job at Dundee United too, wouldnt be a bad shout.

Sorry, but a bloke doing a good job in Scotland shouldn't even be considered.

This is a big job which needs proven Premier League experience.  It is not a job for a novice at this level.

There aren't many who fit the bill.  Remember that just about every manager has been sacked at some stage.  How many have actually had several seasons of relative success before eventually getting sacked?   

Its Martin Jol for me.  He's got far more pluses than minuses in the Premier League on his CV and he knows what this club is all about.  He is exactly what we need.  And he's available immediately.   For me he's a far better fit than Pulis would be.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 23, 2014, 10:21:04 AM
I am not sure why people think AI is about to get the bullet? I would love to see it happen but is there any evidence whatsoever that it's likely? JP doesn't seem to prepare for this either as the last two appointments have been a shambles in terms of time and outcomes...

I suspect we'll keep AI for the whole season - unless we entirely implode over the next handful of games.

I hate to say it but at some point we're probably going to have to get behind him to help us stay-up. We have the strong scent of Norwich from last season otherwise; unloved coach kept until it was way too late and horror show of a set of fixtures at the end of the season.

I'd love to see a new manager with proper stature and great back room team but this seems to be the complete opposite of what JP believes is right and proper for the club. So I don't see Martin Jol and I don't see us paying to get a manager released from his contract so the choices are pretty feeble right now...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 23, 2014, 10:25:34 AM
Sorry, but a bloke doing a good job in Scotland shouldn't even be considered.

This is a big job which needs proven Premier League experience.  It is not a job for a novice at this level.

There aren't many who fit the bill.  Remember that just about every manager has been sacked at some stage.  How many have actually had several seasons of relative success before eventually getting sacked?   

Its Martin Jol for me.  He's got far more pluses than minuses in the Premier League on his CV and he knows what this club is all about.  He is exactly what we need.  And he's available immediately.   For me he's a far better fit than Pulis would be.
Don't get me wrong, I'd support him like I support all our managers should Irvine lose the role (which I don't think he will for Jol to take over as lets face it Jol was also available in the summer but was overlooked) but Jol failed to get on with the recruitment infrastructure at Tottenham which is very similar to ours. His most recent record in the Premier League with a club of similar stature to us, financially and established wise, is pretty dire. Our support want attacking football and Jol is very much a defense first coach.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 23, 2014, 10:48:45 AM
Sami Hyypia anyone?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 11:01:08 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd support him like I support all our managers should Irvine lose the role (which I don't think he will for Jol to take over as lets face it Jol was also available in the summer but was overlooked) but Jol failed to get on with the recruitment infrastructure at Tottenham which is very similar to ours. His most recent record in the Premier League with a club of similar stature to us, financially and established wise, is pretty dire. Our support want attacking football and Jol is very much a defense first coach.

I'm in the camp which believes that JP will finally see sense and compromise with the club structure.  He must be sick of this endless process of replacing head coaches and realising that nobody worth their salt will come here.

Re Jol, he had one bad season at Fulham after several good seasons. He also had a decent period at Tottenham before it went wrong. 

99% of managers get sacked at some point.  The other 1% aren't ever going to be at the Hawthorns?



Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 23, 2014, 11:02:17 AM
Sami Hyypia anyone?

No, frying pan / fire and all that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 23, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
Sami Hyypia anyone?

No - another novice with no Premier League experience.  We must stop these ridiculous experiments.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 23, 2014, 11:05:45 AM
I'm in the camp which believes that JP will finally see sense and compromise with the club structure.  He must be sick of this endless process of replacing head coaches and realising that nobody worth their salt will come here.

Re Jol, he had one bad season at Fulham after several good seasons. He also had a decent period at Tottenham before it went wrong. 

99% of managers get sacked at some point.  The other 1% aren't ever going to be at the Hawthorns?

Hear, Hear
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 24, 2014, 02:43:02 PM
if jurgen klopp got the boot from dortmund that would be a wonderful replacement
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 24, 2014, 03:29:01 PM
if jurgen klopp got the boot from dortmund that would be a wonderful replacement
JP has approached his brother Klipperty.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: geoff on December 24, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
JP has approached his brother Klipperty.


LOL  :D :D :'( :'( :D :D great post.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 24, 2014, 05:00:35 PM
JP has approached his brother Klipperty.
just brilliant.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smosher34 on December 24, 2014, 06:06:43 PM
should of been martin jol in the 1st place someone who takes no rubbish of the players . pulis will never come to our place with bill ben in background , villa game saved him many city and stoke should finish him of , I hope
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 24, 2014, 06:37:44 PM
should of been martin jol in the 1st place someone who takes no rubbish of the players . pulis will never come to our place with bill ben in background , villa game saved him many city and stoke should finish him of , I hope

Agreed - Martin Jol's the right man. 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 24, 2014, 07:47:23 PM
Martin Jol is the man i would want in
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tylerm on December 24, 2014, 08:46:31 PM
We won't survive in this league with Irvine in charge
Martin Jol is the best available for us because Pulis won't come
Why in gods name we have 2 great holding midfielders in Yacob and Mulumbu but Morrisson gets the role is beyond me
 Didn't want him at the start and he has proved all the fans were right in the first place
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 24, 2014, 09:46:13 PM
Martin Jol and do it quick before it's too late.

He's probably not the long term answer but please JP make it happen now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: frazzle on December 25, 2014, 10:41:01 PM
Laudrup for me (if he is still available). And let's stop talking about Pulis. Absolute desperation, and we would be giving up every fibre of our dna if we brought him in.

I know we've had Megson and Gould in our time an i was never comfortable with either.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 25, 2014, 11:06:57 PM
Swansea fans were far from impressed with Laudrup. From all accounts he was a law unto himself and often left the training to others while he went AWOL. He didn't even contest his sacking, which says a lot.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: frazzle on December 25, 2014, 11:31:37 PM
Their league position says a lot too.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2014, 01:04:01 AM
Swansea fans were far from impressed with Laudrup. From all accounts he was a law unto himself and often left the training to others while he went AWOL. He didn't even contest his sacking, which says a lot.

Laudrup is doing well in Qatar - unlikely to come back to England

Its still Jol for me - by a distance.  He's the best fit out there
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: nick_wba on December 26, 2014, 01:27:52 AM
if jurgen klopp got the boot from dortmund that would be a wonderful replacement

What planet are you on?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 26, 2014, 10:59:49 AM
It isn't just Deadbrain Irvine that needs replacing.
The D and K ideas on the training field need consigning to the bin.
The dingle has trained all the attacking ideas out of our midfield and attack.
Just look how many sideways passes we make (allowing their defence to reorganise) and then eventually to backpass to Foster, who can only hoof it up field. (Remember the throw out to get our team under way in a game a few years back [I can't remember the game, but the throw out sticks in my mind])?
We used to play out along the floor and attack, now we hopefully kick and then watch the ball come back, because their midfield were alert and could pick the ball up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 26, 2014, 12:55:13 PM
Foster used to regularly throw out to Ridgewell and start attacks that way, but then Ridgewell was always looking for that ball and moving in readiness. Poco neither moves or looks, so I can only assume that our erstwhile coaches do not see that as an option. Pathethic I think, just lumping the ball in the general direction of Brunt, and Foster's kicking gets worse. What the hell are our coaches doing to come up with a plan that does not involve giving the ball to the opposition each time Foster has the ball in his hands.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 26, 2014, 12:59:21 PM
Foster used to regularly throw out to Ridgewell and start attacks that way, but then Ridgewell was always looking for that ball and moving in readiness. Poco neither moves or looks, so I can only assume that our erstwhile coaches do not see that as an option. Pathethic I think, just lumping the ball in the general direction of Brunt, and Foster's kicking gets worse. What the hell are our coaches doing to come up with a plan that does not involve giving the ball to the opposition each time Foster has the ball in his hands.
That's what Irvine calls "Knock down football" .
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 26, 2014, 01:01:09 PM
If you watch, it depends on who we are playing and who we have defending. We don't employ the same practice every game and will mix it up within games (although at times not enough) don't let fact ruin a myth  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 26, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
I'll fill his shoes. With effing nails. PRAT.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 26, 2014, 07:02:28 PM
What planet are you on?

I can dream can't i?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lonions on December 26, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
Not sure why anyone want Jol as the head coach. He might be a nice chap and smiles at all the right times but he got sacked from Fulham after 7 straight defeats. Also they got relegated shortly after!!  It's results that matter.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 26, 2014, 07:52:56 PM
Not sure why anyone want Jol as the head coach. He might be a nice chap and smiles at all the right times but he got sacked from Fulham after 7 straight defeats. Also they got relegated shortly after!!  It's results that matter.

As I posted previously, 99% of managers have been sacked at some point.  They all go through a bad patch.  Good ones bounce back.  Look at McCarthy at Ipswich, Pardew at Newcastle,.   Jol had several good seasons at Fulham previously, and he was caught in the middle of a changeover with a new owner. 

If we limit ourselves only to managers who haven't previously been sacked and who have managed at this level then by definition we will only get a novice.



Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: darbolina on December 27, 2014, 06:09:50 PM
Ranieri, Advocaat, Van Marwijk, Jol, Pulis, Eddie Howe, Sherwood ( as he interviewed well apparently), Peligrino, Clement would all be on my list to consider if the board decided AI can't cut it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 27, 2014, 07:06:41 PM
Ranieri, Advocaat, Van Marwijk, Jol, Pulis, Eddie Howe, Sherwood ( as he interviewed well apparently), Peligrino, Clement would all be on my list to consider if the board decided AI can't cut it.

Of those, Ranieri and Advocaat may be past it.   Pulis seems unlikely.  Howe will be hard to persuade and Clement would be yet another "number 2 experiment".

Which leaves Jol, Sherwood, Van Marwijk and Peligrino.

Jol is my choice if we recruit "locally".  Sherwood I am sure would fall out with Peace within weeks. 

Peligrino and van Marwijk would both be  exciting.  A trade-off really between them with no PL experience and Jol who knows his way around.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 28, 2014, 11:11:08 AM
Alan Curbishley for me buts not lets kid ourselves it will be someones number 2 or 3.
Someone who will role over and have his belly tickled.
I think JO is doing a great job with this club but to date he hasn't got this post right ( uncle Roy apart)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 28, 2014, 11:19:37 AM
Alan Curbishley for me buts not lets kid ourselves it will be someones number 2 or 3.
Someone who will role over and have his belly tickled.
I think JO is doing a great job with this club but to date he hasn't got this post right ( uncle Roy apart)

And Curbishley has an ally already well ensconced in the camp, no doubt lauding his virtues as a Manager /Coach to JP and TB
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 28, 2014, 11:34:45 AM
Please don't get my hopes up mate, he did a fantastic job with Charlton ,who , dare i say it are a similar size club to us.
I take it you are pointing out Mervyn Day, yes i had noticed.
I would buy 2 season tickets next year and sit on both seats if we got him, lol
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 11:38:30 AM
Alan Curbishley for me buts not lets kid ourselves it will be someones number 2 or 3.
Someone who will role over and have his belly tickled.
I think JO is doing a great job with this club but to date he hasn't got this post right ( uncle Roy apart)

Not Curbishley for me.  For whatever reason, he's been out of it at this level for too long.  He would make a good number two for somebody, just like Irvine. 

Ironically, he and Irvine working together might have worked instead of Irvine being "assisted" by Kelly, Keily and Downing.  Maybe it still might, but we need a bit of strong leadership so I think that would have to come from Curbishley as Irvine doesn't seem to possess that trait.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: philwba1 on December 28, 2014, 11:41:09 AM
Please don't get my hopes up mate, he did a fantastic job with Charlton ,who , dare i say it are a similar size club to us.
I take it you are pointing out Mervyn Day, yes i had noticed.
I would buy 2 season tickets next year and sit on both seats if we got him, lol
Wasnt Kiely at Charlton with Curbishley as well. He was there from 1999-2006 ?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 28, 2014, 12:08:45 PM
He Also pinched Andy Hunt off us and he scored 24 goals for him that year if i'm not mistaken.
He may have been out of the game as a manager but he hasn't been on the moon.
He would be our next uncle Roy i think.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 12:12:35 PM
He Also pinched Andy Hunt off us and he scored 24 goals for him that year if i'm not mistaken.
He may have been out of the game as a manager but he hasn't been on the moon.
He would be our next uncle Roy i think.

I agree that we could do worse.  And if we did get relegated then I'd back him to get us back up.

So bring him in as manager and leave Irvine as Coach, and sack the others?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: philwba1 on December 28, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
Left West Ham because he hadn't got full control over transfers so took them to court and won as he had control over who comes in in his contract. Can't see him getting that here in his contract.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 01:08:39 PM
Apparently one of the negatives usually listed against Irvine is the amount of time that no one employed him as a number one, change of goalposts for Curbishley? Not been in the game for over 6 years apart from 2 months at Fulham as technical director at the time they appointed Felix Magath,  not something to put on your cv.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 28, 2014, 01:20:37 PM
Can we get rid of Downing and/or Kiely, have Irvine as a coach and Laudrup/someone decent as our Head Coach?

Haven't followed this thread so don't know if Laudrup has already been rejected as a viable target, but Irvine seems to have this amazing reputation from somewhere, but we don't see it. Bring in a figurehead to appease the fans but keep Irvine working with the players...just make sure he isn't near the tactics board!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 01:47:57 PM
Can we get rid of Downing and/or Kiely, have Irvine as a coach and Laudrup/someone decent as our Head Coach?

Haven't followed this thread so don't know if Laudrup has already been rejected as a viable target, but Irvine seems to have this amazing reputation from somewhere, but we don't see it. Bring in a figurehead to appease the fans but keep Irvine working with the players...just make sure he isn't near the tactics board!

Laudrup is working in the Middle East.  There were serious issues with him at Swansea, rather like we had with RDM.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 28, 2014, 01:58:26 PM
I dont want Pulis unless it is a short term appointment until the end of the season.  I dont ever want to see Pulisball at the Albion.  I couldn't stand the hoofball, time wasting tactics and all that comes with it.   Expect Anichebe as the target man and him falling over.


What he would do in the short term is organise the defence and give the players a kick up the backside which is desperately needed.


My preference would be going to Derby and seeing how much it would cost to get McLaren out of his contract.  He is perfect for us.  Plays excellent football and would work well in our system.  I know its unlikely but that would be my choice.  The same would go for Eddie Howe.   But they are both flying high in the Championship and would they come?


If we couldn't get them I'd go for Jol long term.  Short term Pulis or possibly McLeish.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 28, 2014, 02:09:46 PM
I dont want Pulis unless it is a short term appointment until the end of the season.  I dont ever want to see Pulisball at the Albion.  I couldn't stand the hoofball, time wasting tactics and all that comes with it.   Expect Anichebe as the target man and him falling over.


What he would do in the short term is organise the defence and give the players a kick up the backside which is desperately needed.


My preference would be going to Derby and seeing how much it would cost to get McLaren out of his contract.  He is perfect for us.  Plays excellent football and would work well in our system.  I know its unlikely but that would be my choice.  The same would go for Eddie Howe.   But they are both flying high in the Championship and would they come?


If we couldn't get them I'd go for Jol long term.  Short term Pulis or possibly McLeish.


We have an immediate need, time is against us. We need a proven premier league manager with a proven track record.

Pulis for me in the short-term and see how it pans out from there. McLaren would be a great appointment, but little chance of recruiting him mid season, particularly where Derby are in the league right now and if they get promoted, then no chance.



Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 02:18:12 PM
I dont want Pulis unless it is a short term appointment until the end of the season.  I dont ever want to see Pulisball at the Albion.  I couldn't stand the hoofball, time wasting tactics and all that comes with it.   Expect Anichebe as the target man and him falling over.


What he would do in the short term is organise the defence and give the players a kick up the backside which is desperately needed.


My preference would be going to Derby and seeing how much it would cost to get McLaren out of his contract.  He is perfect for us.  Plays excellent football and would work well in our system.  I know its unlikely but that would be my choice.  The same would go for Eddie Howe.   But they are both flying high in the Championship and would they come?


If we couldn't get them I'd go for Jol long term.  Short term Pulis or possibly McLeish.

I think I'd slit my wrists if we got McLeish.  He has no attributes whatsoever.  Might as well stick with Irvine if that was the alternative
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 02:21:09 PM
Please, no more jocks
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 04:23:40 PM
We're going to be up against palace and hull at this rate for a new manager.

Should have gone weeks ago.

I can see either Dave Jones or Steve Bruce getting the job.

Both of which I would hate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 28, 2014, 04:36:30 PM
All got to go.

Kielly downing...

I'd keep irvine, get Martin jol in and a new midfield. All our midfield are too slow and negative.

We cannot attack at paceor get back.

Just hope we act quickly and don't wait a month, just conveniently missing transfer window...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: boot2006 on December 28, 2014, 04:44:54 PM
I don't care.  These are desperate times, its Pulis for me.... Sorry.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 04:45:50 PM
I'd have Dave Jones FFS.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 05:09:16 PM
Get Rowett in!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: gavinrussell on December 28, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
If he goes its guaranteed that the 3 stooges will be running the show at West Ham...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 28, 2014, 05:10:59 PM
If he wanted to come, id be stunned if we didnt go for Hughton.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wba1993dave on December 28, 2014, 05:11:35 PM
Pulis I actually don't mind the bloke, he gets results that's what we need at the moment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:12:09 PM
If he goes its guaranteed that the 3 stooges will be running the show at West Ham...

Only if JP hasn't already lined up his ducks.  I'd put money on Dave Jones being named caretaker head coach within 24 hours
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Aztech on December 28, 2014, 05:12:25 PM
If he goes its guaranteed that the 3 stooges will be running the show at West Ham...

Hopefully they will all be gone tonight.

Put James Shan in caretaker charge.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 28, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
If he does go then get ready for another underwhelming appointment. JP won't sack Keily or Downing so expect another inexperienced,  out of work coach.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 28, 2014, 05:14:27 PM
Only if JP hasn't already lined up his ducks.  I'd put money on Dave Jones being named caretaker head coach within 24 hours
I hope not, Pulis has a backbone so at least he'll light a fire under this lot
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 28, 2014, 05:15:03 PM
Not sure why anyone want Jol as the head coach. He might be a nice chap and smiles at all the right times but he got sacked from Fulham after 7 straight defeats. Also they got relegated shortly after!!  It's results that matter.

You need to look up Jols record mate there's a lot more to him than when it became undone at Fulham.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: pete on December 28, 2014, 05:17:24 PM
Warnocks available! LOL  :P
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tylerm on December 28, 2014, 05:19:10 PM
Who fills his shoes?
Anyone of the other 91 league managers or any of those out of work
Gives us a choice of about 120 i reckon all of whom are better than Alan Irvine
20000 Baggies fans knew he was a terrible appointment before he even took a training session and we have all been proved right
Well done JP-a nice effort to do it on the cheap but one that was always destined to fail
Should have been sacked as soon as he announced the team selection today
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:20:39 PM
You need to look up Jols record mate there's a lot more to him than when it became undone at Fulham.

Well said mate.

I've said endlessly on here that every manager has been sacked at some point, and if they haven't been they won't be anywhere near the Hawthorns.  Either that or they are a novice.  Jol's managerial record in the PL is far better than any other candidate likely to be realistically in the frame.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kirk on December 28, 2014, 05:23:08 PM
Only pulis can sort this shower out.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Blowee on December 28, 2014, 05:29:55 PM
Martin Jol is the man i would want in

Jol not a bad shout but would want his own coaches Cock and Dick - don't we already have similar back-room staff?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 28, 2014, 05:31:34 PM
Laurie Sanchez ???
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:33:43 PM
Jol not a bad shout but would want his own coaches Cock and Dick - don't we already have similar back-room staff?

Whoever is appointed must get whatever coaching staff he needs.  That's the single biggest problem with this club at present
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Blowee on December 28, 2014, 05:37:13 PM
Whoever is appointed must get whatever coaching staff he needs.  That's the single biggest problem with this club at present

I think you missed the point! But apparently Cock does accompany Martin in his staff.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 28, 2014, 05:37:49 PM
He's got to get the sack first.

As it stands it appears its unlikely to be tonight.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 28, 2014, 05:38:42 PM
If he wanted to come, id be stunned if we didnt go for Hughton.

Because his record in the Premier League with Norwich was stunning?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 05:44:41 PM
Because his record in the Premier League with Norwich was stunning?

If you think Irvine's football is dire, I suggest you speak to a few Norwich fans about last season
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 28, 2014, 05:48:33 PM
Because his record in the Premier League with Norwich was stunning?

Because the club like him and he plays a similar style...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 28, 2014, 05:57:26 PM
McInnes stock has never been higher so if we are ever to go for him then now is the time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 28, 2014, 05:58:26 PM
Because the club like him and he plays a similar style...

Do they really like him though? We could have got him in Summer and still chose Irvine. Not a great endorsement.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2014, 05:58:58 PM
McInnes stock has never been higher so if we are ever to go for him then now is the time.



I am afraid Scots don't do very well at the Albion
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 28, 2014, 06:00:13 PM
Do they really like him though? We could have got him in Summer and still chose Irvine. Not a great endorsement.

Burton did. I'm not sure his opinion would hold as much weight this time round. The issues before have been Hughton wants his coaches.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 06:06:08 PM
Burton did. I'm not sure his opinion would hold as much weight this time round. The issues before have been Hughton wants his coaches.
should burton have a say in the next appointment, he endorsed Irvine for the job.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 28, 2014, 06:20:32 PM
should burton have a say in the next appointment, he endorsed Irvine for the job.

To be fair to TB,  he would have been given a person specification and job description and, as is the way of it with recruitment selection, the interview would, more than likely, have been based on responses to questions and qualifications. Employment Law is such that to do other than select on response and qulifications could lead to legal action by a candidate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tylerm on December 28, 2014, 06:26:12 PM
To be fair to TB,  he would have been given a person specification and job description and, as is the way of it with recruitment selection, the interview would, more than likely, have been based on responses to questions and qualifications. Employment Law is such that to do other than select on response and qulifications could lead to legal action by a candidate.

What-are you serious ?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 28, 2014, 06:26:29 PM
McInnes could potentially have the same impact on us as Rowett at the Blues. He would be my first choice. He would bring some unity and could have Big Dave as his first team coach. We need something to bring the club back together....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 28, 2014, 06:29:10 PM
What-are you serious ?

Anyone, who knows about Employment Law and the way Albion appoint, sack, discipline employees, would know I'm absolutely serious about how they conform to Employment Law
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 28, 2014, 06:30:44 PM
hang on a couple of weeks and we could get Roberto Martinez
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 28, 2014, 06:31:18 PM
McInnes, Jol, Pulis, Clement, some foreigner (Pellegrino) whoever, i don't care. Just clear out the rubbish (Burton, Irvine, Kelly, Kiely, Downing) and start again.

Would like us to go ALL out for Eddie Howe as it will take an awful lot for him to leave Bournemouth.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 28, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
hang on a couple of weeks and we could get Roberto Martinez

Would love Martinez, even if we sack Irvine tonight typical JP we will be waiting a month.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on December 28, 2014, 06:41:17 PM
 Slaven Bilić will have a lot to offer in the premier league some day might be worth a punt, he could do no worse than we have already and not long left on his contract.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 28, 2014, 06:49:54 PM
Not that I think it will happen, but:

PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS (etc)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: seteefeet on December 28, 2014, 06:51:31 PM
Slaven Bilić will have a lot to offer in the premier league some day might be worth a punt, he could do no worse than we have already and not long left on his contract.
He wouldn't touch us with a barge pole.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 28, 2014, 07:15:18 PM
One these as MANAGER with their own staff in order of preference:
Pulis
Sherwood
Dick Advocaat
Martin Jol

But it will still be a head coach position appointing Aidy boothroyd with Beavis and Butt-head still as the backroom staff.

I think we are doomed to relegation. Please Mr Peace give us something to get behind.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Wollaston01 on December 28, 2014, 07:25:13 PM
We don't want Joel or Advocaat. Sherwood preferably but would take Pulis as he would play lousy football but keep us up.
Doubt any self respecting Manager will come near us though with JP's attitude to spending money and given that he will no doubt sell Berihino in January if there is any interest which will then give us sod all chance of stopping up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 28, 2014, 09:58:08 PM
Not that I think it will happen, but:

PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS PULIS (etc)

Rumoured elsewhere that it is and will be announced tomorrow. ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: RogerBadoo on December 28, 2014, 09:58:47 PM
Rumoured where exactly?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 28, 2014, 10:01:51 PM
If Irvine goes & Pulis comes in, I think it would be Megsonesque but the best we could hope for! There is not much quality about & at least if we went down we'd go down fighting, plus he may ruffle a few feathers which wouldnt be a bad thing imo
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 28, 2014, 10:05:35 PM
Look what Pulis did at Palace to keep them up. For Albion it is absolutely essential we retain our Premiership status. With Pulis you know you've got THE BEST man at doing that sort of thing. I'd take him in a heartbeat he'd get rid of this clique nonsense and he'd make us scrap for everything. The playing side of the club needs sorting out big time and there are a number of people that need a proper boot up the backside. No more nicey, nicey quotes and backside licking. Get Pulis in, let him bring his own people and get this mess sorted out.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:10:29 PM
Pulis calls a spade, a spade.
JP doesn't like people who think and have their own minds.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 28, 2014, 10:14:08 PM
Pulis calls a spade, a spade.
JP doesn't like people who think and have their own minds.
I agree but he also likes the £60million plus every year. its his joice .
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:22:22 PM
Where has this rumour about Pulis come from?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 28, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
I agree but he also likes the £60million plus every year. its his joice .

Some dodgy would-be agent on twitter. The same one embroiled in child pornography allegations from a local newspaper from his area.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 28, 2014, 10:50:02 PM
I think it needs a strong character to come in and show a few who is boss. Take no ***** and put them in their places. No guaranteed starts for anyone, a place has to be earned.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 28, 2014, 10:51:34 PM
I think it needs a strong character to come in and show a few who is boss. Take no ***** and put them in their places. No guaranteed starts for anyone, a place has to be earned.

I feel the exact same, that's why Pulis is perfect.

I am fed up of this nice guy rubbish, players are making mistakes because they know they got a full time place in the team! So complacent.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: saml30 on December 28, 2014, 11:00:35 PM
I feel the exact same, that's why Pulis is perfect.

I am fed up of this nice guy rubbish, players are making mistakes because they know they got a full time place in the team! So complacent.

Until he leaves us high and dry when JP doesn't give him infinite money next summer


For the people who want Pulis, can you honestly see him playing Gamboa or blanco for example, I can't
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: GrGr on December 28, 2014, 11:07:19 PM
I feel the exact same, that's why Pulis is perfect.

I am fed up of this nice guy rubbish, players are making mistakes because they know they got a full time place in the team! So complacent.

Indeed. We have some players who havent put in a significant performance for over two years still getting picked regularly (I'm looking at you Morrison, just for one example).

These players know that JP's strategy has been to have a solid core in place to restrict the turnover rate of the squad, which means they have it cushy if they become part of that core. This is why I have maintained for over two years that the core itself still needs to be fine tuned every window to avoid complacency and to keep it fresh. Otherwise we get what we have now, lots of players off the boil and displaying zero hunger or drive yet being automatic picks. 

Edit: And as the situation with Pepe Mel showed, if a coach comes and asks them to perform outside their comfort zone they simply tune the coach out knowing full well that the coach will get the boot rather than the cushy core.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 28, 2014, 11:08:50 PM
Pulis keeps us up and id see why the club would get him in. Entertainment wise its dyer, i would defo be picking and choosing my games.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 28, 2014, 11:11:21 PM
If Irvine goes & Pulis comes in, I think it would be Megsonesque but the best we could hope for! There is not much quality about & at least if we went down we'd go down fighting, plus he may ruffle a few feathers which wouldnt be a bad thing imo

I think you raise some good points. Im not a pulis fan but he may be the right man at this moment in time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 28, 2014, 11:18:53 PM
I thought Pulis played some good stuff with Palace last season.

Current manager of the year.

If anyone can sort out the mess he is the type of guy that can.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 28, 2014, 11:23:53 PM
I thought Pulis played some good stuff with Palace last season.

Current manager of the year.

If anyone can sort out the mess he is the type of guy that can.

To be fair to pulis his football got better at stoke aswell.

 I do remember that cup game against palace when they beat us. I sat directly on the half way line and i think palace came out of their own half once or twice :-) but i do agree with you they did play some decent stuff at times. Mainly at home i think.

He is the right man to come in now even though i dont think his football is going to be great
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 11:26:44 PM
I'm not a Pulis fan but he's probably what we need right now.

Nobody who saw Palace when he was in charge last season will say he played negative football.  Would he have tried to turn them into a Stoke had he stayed?  We'll never know.

If the Pulis effect is worth an extra 6 points than what we would achieve under Irvine then its a no brainer.  If he then leaves in the summer, then fine, but JP has to sort out this structure and stop spinning the roulette wheel by trying to do it the cheap way.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: glosterbaggie on December 28, 2014, 11:28:08 PM
I thought Pulis played some good stuff with Palace last season.

Current manager of the year.

If anyone can sort out the mess he is the type of guy that can.
If he came in (but with badly not sure) And kept us up he would get better job offers.Way it goes?And yes it is quite obvious he can set teams up to win.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Greenock Baggie on December 28, 2014, 11:29:57 PM
People bleating about Pulis and his brand of football ??? The thing is that winning football is a great smoother when it comes to style. Yes Pulis was hoof to start with at Stoke but towards the end and at Palace, he had them playing quick attacking football. If he can get us to where he got Stoke and a cup final, I can put up with a lot when it comes to style. The only style I insist on is the WINNING style of football.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 28, 2014, 11:36:04 PM
Pulis had 7 good years at Stoke and left by mutual consent, and then left Palace of his own accord after a rescue mission.  He's probably one of only a tiny number of managers who can boast 8 seasons in the PL without having ever been either sacked or relegated.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 28, 2014, 11:44:45 PM
What annoys me on here sometimes is those who bash his style, as if he's the same manager who began at Stoke. He kept up a very poor Palace side quite easily, but for all the samba fans out there, he also did it playing some very attractive football. If he does come, I think some on here may be very surprised about the quality/style that he plays with; it will be very different to that of Irvine anyway (in a good way).

Personally I think he's more suited to Leicester though sadly.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 28, 2014, 11:49:32 PM
What gets me is the Albion fans saying that while Pulis was Stoke manager how could Stoke fans watch such boring football and now all of a sudden he is our saviour. Short memoirs or what. BTW Irvine as got to go. 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 29, 2014, 12:03:40 AM
What gets me is the Albion fans saying that while Pulis was Stoke manager how could Stoke fans watch such boring football and now all of a sudden he is our saviour. Short memoirs or what. BTW Irvine as got to go.

That is a good point to be fair
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MulumbuPower! on December 29, 2014, 12:09:42 AM
If the madness that is 'Pardew going to Palace' is correct then Pulis would probably go to Newcastle.
Once we get past that, the names to replace Irvine fall far short of the mark -
Ian Holloway
Martin Jol
Tim Sherwood
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer
Alan Curbishley
Ray Wilkins

But I think we know who it would be.... Dave Jones.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Red Stripe on December 29, 2014, 02:21:41 AM
What gets me is the Albion fans saying that while Pulis was Stoke manager how could Stoke fans watch such boring football and now all of a sudden he is our saviour. Short memoirs or what. BTW Irvine as got to go.

Because the most boring football of all is when you're not winning any matches.

The truth is, you have to separate the caricature that you've built of Pulis' sides and the reality.  Pulisball at its best is very exciting, very direct and seeing a team crumble (especially Arsenal) from your team's constant pressure is very entertaining.  It's a nice feeling knowing that some of the best teams in the world are coming to your ground scared.

It got boring in our Europa season - it really affected us and in his last season, where it just felt like he'd ran out of ideas.

Give him 6 months, then move on.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 03:29:03 AM
The bookies have already started laying odds on the person to take over from under fire Alan Irvine. Bet Victor quote 11/10 Tony Pulis and 3/1 Tim Sherwood. Derek McInnes comes next at 16/1 and it is 33/1 bar the three. We will, no doubt, see the odds offered by the other bookies later on today.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 29, 2014, 05:43:25 AM
The bookies have already started laying odds on the person to take over from under fire Alan Irvine. Bet Victor quote 11/10 Tony Pulis and 3/1 Tim Sherwood. Derek McInnes comes next at 16/1 and it is 33/1 bar the three. We will, no doubt, see the odds offered by the other bookies later on today.
I would take any one of those 3 today. Light a spark under these tossers  playing every week and see what pans out
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 29, 2014, 09:51:10 AM
Hope I am wrong, but can anyone see Pulis agreeing to work with Peace?

Also, for pulis to come Geoffrey and bungle have got to go, as he will definitely want his own coach.

I can't seeJP going to sherwood either as that means he is admitting he was wrong.

Think it'll be another shock......
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionBest on December 29, 2014, 09:55:57 AM
Really would like to see JOL come in and given serious backing - the fans would allow him a little leeway has he already has some credit being an ex-Albion player and a respected coach to boot.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: gazberg on December 29, 2014, 10:02:40 AM
I was one of those who used to dislike Pulis/Stoke but after seeing what he did at Palace and they didn't actually play constant hoofball i changed my views.  What he would serve up would certainly be better than the football Ted is at the moment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:04:11 AM
We say this every time we appoint someone new but this is probably going to be our most important head coach/manager since Megson imo.

If we go down i'm not sure we'd ever come back up.

For that reason alone we need to do something about it now rather than wait to 'see what happens'.

JP put his neck on the line for Irvine and for that reason I think he'll get a little longer than the likes of Clarke/Di Matteo.

I can fully see us getting a result against West Ham which will keep him in the job a little longer.

For me JP has two options. He either:

- sticks with Irvine no matter what and hope that he can pull us out of the mess (a bit like pardew at newcastle)
- gets rid of the coaches and Irvine and changes the club back to a manager system

If he simply sacks Irvine and replaces him with another head coach, then we will continue the way we are.

The more i read about Pulis the more I am liking. He literally re-built Stoke, was in every morning at 7am and was involved in almost every aspect of the club. I'm not convinced his football was that bad, as at times he did show his teams can play football if needed especially while at Palace.

He plays the game, knows the right time to slow a game down and knows all the tricks in the book to get other teams upset.

Yes it isn't pretty at times, but neither was  it under Megson.

We need to go cap in hand to him. Give him a little bit of money to spend in Jan to bulk up the sqaud sort ourselves out and have a real refresh in the summer. 

We need a manager not a coach. I just hope JP realises this.

Having said all the above I can't see Pulis wanting to work under JP unless JP can convince him that he will be able to do it his way and I think JP is too scared to let control of the football side go.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:07:46 AM
We say this every time we appoint someone new but this is probably going to be our most important head coach/manager since Megson imo.

If we go down i'm not sure we'd ever come back up.

For that reason alone we need to do something about it now rather than wait to 'see what happens'.

JP put his neck on the line for Irvine and for that reason I think he'll get a little longer than the likes of Clarke/Di Matteo.

I can fully see us getting a result against West Ham which will keep him in the job a little longer.

For me JP has two options. He either:

- sticks with Irvine no matter what and hope that he can pull us out of the mess (a bit like pardew at newcastle)
- gets rid of the coaches and Irvine and changes the club back to a manager system

If he simply sacks Irvine and replaces him with another head coach, then we will continue the way we are.

The more i read about Pulis the more I am liking. He literally re-built Stoke, was in every morning at 7am and was involved in almost every aspect of the club. I'm not convinced his football was that bad, as at times he did show his teams can play football if needed especially while at Palace.

He plays the game, knows the right time to slow a game down and knows all the tricks in the book to get other teams upset.

Yes it isn't pretty at times, but neither was  it under Megson.

We need to go cap in hand to him. Give him a little bit of money to spend in Jan to bulk up the sqaud sort ourselves out and have a real refresh in the summer. 

We need a manager not a coach. I just hope JP realises this.

Having said all the above I can't see Pulis wanting to work under JP unless JP can convince him that he will be able to do it his way and I think JP is too scared to let control of the football side go.

There's an extra factor as well.

Its clear that Saido is off shortly for £20m-plus.   Does JP trust Irvine enough to give him and Burton that money to spend to strengthen the team?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Lloydy on December 29, 2014, 10:09:38 AM
I would be absolutely stunned if Tony Pulis, a good friend of Gary Megson's, would agree to not only work with Jeremy Peace but work under our structure, even for 6 months. For me I just can't see it happening.

I'd like to see Sherwood given a go, whether he would take the job after being rejected in favour of Alan bloody Irvine 6 months ago remains to be seen.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 10:12:35 AM
I would be absolutely stunned if Tony Pulis, a good friend of Gary Megson's, would agree to not only work with Jeremy Peace but work under our structure, even for 6 months. For me I just can't see it happening.

Which is why I cannot see it happening. It what is needed in my opinion however.

The only way Pulis would come here is if JP changed the structure of the club and gave him assurances that Pulis could do it his way.

That alone is a job for the summer.

I'd like to see Sherwood given a go, whether he would take the job after being rejected in favour of Alan bloody Irvine 6 months ago remains to be seen.

I think in the short term Sherwood would give the players the kick they need. Longer term im not so sure. I'd also be worried about the way he deals with the pressure.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 01:22:30 PM
I know this will not happen, but in my deluded mind i would love a conversation which went.

SGM its JP here, i'm in a bit of a spot, I need some one to sort some serious stuff out, i know we didn't get on at all and will likely fall out again. So, what I'd like, is, to put you on a 5 month deal (now till may) then if we stay up you walk away with a nice little bonus.

You have to assess the current squads abilities and characters.
I want to see a "team" not a cartel of individuals in the comfort zone, i know you won't tolerate prima-donnas and thats fine by me.
You will have to put in place a new coaching team, with fresh ideas and the ability to change as circumstances require.

Yes its a lot to ask, but the stakes are high and i know you will want free reign because thats the man you are, if you have to crack heads so be it, no sacred cows, it s all up for grabs, so for 5 months its over to you.

Up for it SGM, show the footy world what you can do again???
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 29, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
I know this will not happen, but in my deluded mind i would love a conversation which went.

SGM its JP here, i'm in a bit of a spot, I need some one to sort some serious stuff out, i know we didn't get on at all and will likely fall out again. So, what I'd like, is, to put you on a 5 month deal (now till may) then if we stay up you walk away with a nice little bonus.

You have to assess the current squads abilities and characters.
I want to see a "team" not a cartel of individuals in the comfort zone, i know you won't tolerate prima-donnas and thats fine by me.
You will have to put in place a new coaching team, with fresh ideas and the ability to change as circumstances require.

Yes its a lot to ask, but the stakes are high and i know you will want free reign because thats the man you are, if you have to crack heads so be it, no sacred cows, it s all up for grabs, so for 5 months its over to you.

Up for it SGM, show the footy world what you can do again???
What a great idea............. if only
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 29, 2014, 04:42:19 PM
Sorry as much as I enjoyed SGM's time at the Albion, he isn't the answer.

He's already tried in the premier league with us and failed.

We need his type however, which is why I am so keen on Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Floydy on December 29, 2014, 04:53:28 PM
I know this will not happen, but in my deluded mind i would love a conversation which went.

SGM its JP here, i'm in a bit of a spot, I need some one to sort some serious stuff out, i know we didn't get on at all and will likely fall out again. So, what I'd like, is, to put you on a 5 month deal (now till may) then if we stay up you walk away with a nice little bonus.

You have to assess the current squads abilities and characters.
I want to see a "team" not a cartel of individuals in the comfort zone, i know you won't tolerate prima-donnas and thats fine by me.
You will have to put in place a new coaching team, with fresh ideas and the ability to change as circumstances require.

Yes its a lot to ask, but the stakes are high and i know you will want free reign because thats the man you are, if you have to crack heads so be it, no sacred cows, it s all up for grabs, so for 5 months its over to you.

Up for it SGM, show the footy world what you can do again???

That would be suicide. Megson was great for us at that time. With the squad we have now, we would implode
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 04:58:38 PM
Derek McInnes would be a very good option in my opinion. He has served his apprenticeship and got a fair amount of experience now. He has improved with every job he has had. He did very well at St Johnstone with no money and is doing exceptionally well at Aberdeen with no money. He is seen as a very good coach (which we need), an exceptional motivator (which we badly need), is his own man (which we very badly need), and his results record is well above average (which we desperately need), and he knows the club already (which is a help).
And before anyone comes on here and says big difference between Scottish and English prems blah blah, it's a ridiculous argument. A good coach is a good coach, end of. Alex Ferguson was the exceptional example of course, but there are many other examples of managers/coaches who have made the transition perfectly smoothly, the most recent being Neil Lennon who has completely turned around a non performing Bolton side in a short space of time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 05:15:19 PM
Derek McInnes would be a very good option in my opinion. He has served his apprenticeship and got a fair amount of experience now. He has improved with every job he has had. He did very well at St Johnstone with no money and is doing exceptionally well at Aberdeen with no money. He is seen as a very good coach (which we need), an exceptional motivator (which we badly need), is his own man (which we very badly need), and his results record is well above average (which we desperately need), and he knows the club already (which is a help).
And before anyone comes on here and says big difference between Scottish and English prems blah blah, it's a ridiculous argument. A good coach is a good coach, end of. Alex Ferguson was the exceptional example of course, but there are many other examples of managers/coaches who have made the transition perfectly smoothly, the most recent being Neil Lennon who has completely turned around a non performing Bolton side in a short space of time.

Sorry but McInnes wouldn't be on anyone's list if he hadn't played for the club in the past.  He also failed miserably at Bristol City just 2 years ago !

Comparing relative success at St Johnstone and Aberdeen means nothing when it comes to the Premier League. We can't afford any more experiments. Lennon has done very well at Bolton and is very similar to Megson. He did of course manage in the Champions League with Celtic, with some success, so is on a different plane to McInnes.  I'd like to see McInnes succeed first in the English Championship before he's worth the risk.  Fergie did of course go straight from Aberdeen to Man Utd but he won a European trophy first at Aberdeen.  McInness' time will come, but he's not quite right for us yet.


Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 05:19:38 PM
I know this will not happen, but in my deluded mind i would love a conversation which went.

SGM its JP here, i'm in a bit of a spot, I need some one to sort some serious stuff out, i know we didn't get on at all and will likely fall out again. So, what I'd like, is, to put you on a 5 month deal (now till may) then if we stay up you walk away with a nice little bonus.

You have to assess the current squads abilities and characters.
I want to see a "team" not a cartel of individuals in the comfort zone, i know you won't tolerate prima-donnas and thats fine by me.
You will have to put in place a new coaching team, with fresh ideas and the ability to change as circumstances require.

Yes its a lot to ask, but the stakes are high and i know you will want free reign because thats the man you are, if you have to crack heads so be it, no sacred cows, it s all up for grabs, so for 5 months its over to you.

Up for it SGM, show the footy world what you can do again???

Would love that!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 05:24:48 PM
Sorry but McInnes wouldn't be on anyone's list if he hadn't played for the club in the past.  He also failed miserably at Bristol City just 2 years ago !

Comparing relative success at St Johnstone and Aberdeen means nothing when it comes to the Premier League. We can't afford any more experiments. Lennon has done very well at Bolton and is very similar to Megson. He did of course manage in the Champions League with Celtic, with some success, so is on a different plane to McInnes.  I'd like to see McInnes succeed first in the English Championship before he's worth the risk.  Fergie did of course go straight from Aberdeen to Man Utd but he won a European trophy first at Aberdeen.  McInness' time will come, but he's not quite right for us yet.
Ridiculous comment. Every new appointment is an experiment to some extent. I think that McInnes would be a relatively risk free appointment compared to some of the options touted on here. He would also be welcomed by most fans and would be respected by the players. I can't think of anyone feasable who wouldn't have some degree of risk attached but he ticks a lot of boxes for me. Out of interest, who would you have instead?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 05:28:22 PM
I'd be banging on the door for Steve McClaren. Well respected, invented himself as a new coach, knows the Premier League and well experienced in a situation like this.

I know he's currently doing very well at Derby - but I would have him top of my list.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 05:29:29 PM
Sorry but McInnes wouldn't be on anyone's list if he hadn't played for the club in the past.  He also failed miserably at Bristol City just 2 years ago !

Comparing relative success at St Johnstone and Aberdeen means nothing when it comes to the Premier League. We can't afford any more experiments. Lennon has done very well at Bolton and is very similar to Megson. He did of course manage in the Champions League with Celtic, with some success, so is on a different plane to McInnes.  I'd like to see McInnes succeed first in the English Championship before he's worth the risk.  Fergie did of course go straight from Aberdeen to Man Utd but he won a European trophy first at Aberdeen.  McInness' time will come, but he's not quite right for us yet.
Outrageous. Nothing like each other apart from the fact that they were both strong characters, as is McInnes, which is one of the things we sorely need.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 06:04:47 PM
Outrageous. Nothing like each other apart from the fact that they were both strong characters, as is McInnes, which is one of the things we sorely need.

Both strong characters.  Both wear their hearts on their sleeves.  Both very passionate.  Both likely to have a fractious relationship with their chairman.

(And both have ginger hair.  And weren't they both midfielders at one stage for Norwich?)  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 29, 2014, 06:06:12 PM
There are only two stand-out candidates immediately available, in my view - Sherwood and Pulis. Whether either would want the job, however, is another matter. It appears that Palace are prepared to pay upwards of £2m in compensation to get Pardew, but I can't for the life of me seeing JP stump up big cash to get the right person to steer us clear of danger. Jol could be another candidate for our hot seat but I think he may well be close to his 'sell by' date. I would be happy with either Sherwood or Pulis, but we need to act quickly before a difficult situation becomes an impossible one.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 06:08:06 PM
Tim Sherwood would be a disaster for the Albion.  His character and personality won't work with the current set up.

Isn't that the idea?! That the set up is or should be flipped on its head?! And the players need a shake up and a clean slate. Personally I think Sherwood's attitude is what this lot need.

He'd be behind Jol & Pulis for me though.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 06:10:53 PM
Ridiculous comment. Every new appointment is an experiment to some extent. I think that McInnes would be a relatively risk free appointment compared to some of the options touted on here. He would also be welcomed by most fans and would be respected by the players. I can't think of anyone feasable who wouldn't have some degree of risk attached but he ticks a lot of boxes for me. Out of interest, who would you have instead?

He has not managed at a level close to the English Premiership.  Sorry, but Scotland does not count.  This is not a job for a novice at this level.

As I said, if McInnes wasn't a former Baggies hero then he wouldn't be on anybody's list.  This is no time for sentimental appointments.

Who would I have?  Out of who is available Jol (but not because of his historical connection!), Pulis.   Out of who would have to be bought out of contract - McLaren, Hoddle, Poyet.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 29, 2014, 06:12:40 PM
I've seen quite a few people want jol on here previously and have to ask why? Yes he used to play for us by that was years ago football and the club have moved on alot since that time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 06:14:45 PM
Isn't that the idea?! That the set up is or should be flipped on its head?! And the players need a shake up and a clean slate. Personally I think Sherwood's attitude is what this lot need.

He'd be behind Jol & Pulis for me though.

I think Sherwood would shake up the team and could be a success, but I'm sure it would end in tears very quickly between him and Peace.  That might even happen with Pulis as well.

McLaren and Jol are the safer bets if we take a 3-year view, with Pulis a higher risk but with a proven track record of keeping a troubled side up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
I've seen quite a few people want jol on here previously and have to ask why? Yes he used to play for us by that was years ago football and the club have moved on alot since that time.

Just look at his record. He lost his last 7 games at Fulham at went awry there but his record is exemplory and I think he's at the top end of what we can get. It has absolutely nothing to do with him ever playing here I don't think I was even alive and you never hear fans speaking fondly of him in the same way as say Regis etc. nothing to do with sentimentality.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 06:17:18 PM
I've seen quite a few people want jol on here previously and have to ask why? Yes he used to play for us by that was years ago football and the club have moved on alot since that time.

It's his track record with Spurs and Fulham (one bad patch over a fairly lengthy spell) plus his tough attitude which attracts me.  The fact that he is a former player and knows the club (and was popular) is merely a bonus, nothing more. As you say, the club has changed immeasurably since then.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 29, 2014, 06:23:03 PM
Well it looks like pardew to palace, i think Pulis will go to toon and we have left it too late to get the bloke most suited to keeping us up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 06:26:14 PM
He has not managed at a level close to the English Premiership.  Sorry, but Scotland does not count.  This is not a job for a novice at this level.

As I said, if McInnes wasn't a former Baggies hero then he wouldn't be on anybody's list.  This is no time for sentimental appointments.

Who would I have?  Out of who is available Jol (but not because of his historical connection!), Pulis.   Out of who would have to be bought out of contract - McLaren, Hoddle, Poyet.

Jol looked a broken man when he left Fulham, and I'm far from convinced that he is not still broken
Pulis is utterly unrealistic - you might as well say Mourinho as there's the same amount of chance he would come to us.
McLaren is utterly unrealistic - why would he come to us when he is enjoying life at Derby?
Poyet, hardly a great success at premiership level, was he?
Hoddle, hahahahaha, is a total oddball and hasn't managed for years. Why not?

Can't see that any of these is less of a risk than McInnes, who at least is a currently successful manager/coach with a pretty good cv - got St Johnstone promoted and kept them in the Scottish prem, took over Bristol City when they were rock bottom and saved them from relegation, and currently 2nd with Aberdeen. Ok he had one blip at the end of his Bristol City stint (which manager hasn't had such a blip?), but otherwise, what's not to like?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smosher34 on December 29, 2014, 06:37:38 PM
I would get jol in yes had a bad time at Fulham but not with spurs few of us agreed at the stoke game , got the balls and will take no rubbish of the in game we seem to have at west brom , get Irvine coaching in the back ground .
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 06:38:47 PM


Jol certainly needed a break after Fulham.  Its a fair question to ask whether he has recovered from that.

Pulis - well there are certainly rumours that he is interested.  Time will tell.

McLaren - depends on how desperate he is to manage in the Premiership.  Derby might not make it past the play-offs.

Poyet - has done ok at Sunderland in my view and prior to that had done very well at Brighton.  Has a big future  in front of him but clearly would prefer to be a manager rather than a head coach. 

Hoddle - eccentric yes but was England's best manager for years and lost the job for non-footballing reasons.  Mad to rule him out.

McInnes - St Johnstone up from the second Scottish tier (wow), sacked from Bristol City and doing well at Aberdeen in a weak Scottish PL with no Rangers.  Sorry -the main difference between him and Irvine is charisma and leadership. Oh, and he's an ex-Baggie, which is irrelevant. 

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 29, 2014, 06:39:52 PM
Well it looks like pardew to palace, i think Pulis will go to toon and we have left it too late to get the bloke most suited to keeping us up.

Surely they won't have Pulis?! I don't think Newcastle looking for a manager effects us we're in different financial leagues
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 06:41:29 PM
Well it looks like pardew to palace, i think Pulis will go to toon and we have left it too late to get the bloke most suited to keeping us up.

Not sure.  From their current position of strength I think Newcastle might get Klopp. Can't see them going for Pulis. 

Will be an interesting test of Ashley's intentions as he's clearly got an agenda for Rangers
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 29, 2014, 06:43:48 PM
Not sure.  From their current position of strength I think Newcastle might get Klopp. Can't see them going for Pulis. 

Will be an interesting test of Ashley's intentions as he's clearly got an agenda for Rangers

3/1 with bookies
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
3/1 with bookies

Mind you, if Klopp was available I could see Liverpool firing Rodgers - maybe he could "do a Roy" and rebuild his career here!

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 29, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
Mind you, if Klopp was available I could see Liverpool firing Rodgers - maybe he could "do a Roy" and rebuild his career here!

I would take Rodgers
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 06:57:15 PM
Not sure.  From their current position of strength I think Newcastle might get Klopp. Can't see them going for Pulis. 

Will be an interesting test of Ashley's intentions as he's clearly got an agenda for Rangers

I think Newcastle will want somebody quite cheap - Ashley isn't one for spending money as he proved in Pardew's contract which was highly incentive based. His agenda for Rangers is merely for the promotion of Sports Direct - as is his interest in Newcastle.

Not a chance of them getting Klopp who will be Liverpool/Arsenal bound in the future - they will probably be looking at the likes of Pulis but like us, he won't get a massive budget at Newcastle either.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
I think Newcastle will want somebody quite cheap - Ashley isn't one for spending money as he proved in Pardew's contract which was highly incentive based. His agenda for Rangers is merely for the promotion of Sports Direct - as is his interest in Newcastle.

Not a chance of them getting Klopp who will be Liverpool/Arsenal bound in the future - they will probably be looking at the likes of Pulis but like us, he won't get a massive budget at Newcastle either.

McCoist could be the cheap answer for Newcastle - Ashley could strike a deal re his settlement from Rangers!

Bruce might be tempted to St James Park....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie79 on December 29, 2014, 07:11:18 PM
Pulis 8/11 just saying!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 29, 2014, 07:13:34 PM
Pulis 8/11 just saying!!

You lumped on to bring the price down  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie79 on December 29, 2014, 07:15:36 PM
You lumped on to bring the price down  :D

A few have lumped on mate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 07:17:06 PM
McCoist could be the cheap answer for Newcastle - Ashley could strike a deal re his settlement from Rangers!

Bruce might be tempted to St James Park....

McCoist is a one club man who won't be a success anywhere else

I would think that Steve Bruce would feel he had won the lottery if he got the Newcastle gig.......might be tempted doesn't even begin to describe the possibility.

Anyway, back to topic, wouldn't want either of them near the Albion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 07:19:29 PM
McCoist is a one club man who won't be a success anywhere else

I would think that Steve Bruce would feel he had won the lottery if he got the Newcastle gig.......might be tempted doesn't even begin to describe the possibility.

Anyway, back to topic, wouldn't want either of them near the Albion.

Agree 100%!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 29, 2014, 07:20:41 PM
A few have lumped on mate.

Bit surprised, you're not normally this specific, always leave us wanting more  ;) seems its almost a done deal then eh? 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dudleylad on December 29, 2014, 07:20:49 PM
I would consider Bruce would do us for a couple of years before his effectiveness wears off its been the same at every club hes been at.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
If we absolutely had to look domestically - and I'd rather we didn't - then Sean Dyche is worth a shout. He's the right kind of character in that he'd take no nonsense. Peace would just have to bite the bullet for once by paying compensation and tempting him with some kind of ambition in order to appoint the right man to what is arguably the most important role at the club.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 07:22:47 PM

McInnes - St Johnstone up from the second Scottish tier (wow), sacked from Bristol City and doing well at Aberdeen in a weak Scottish PL with no Rangers.  Sorry -the main difference between him and Irvine is charisma and leadership. Oh, and he's an ex-Baggie, which is irrelevant.

Aren't these 2 of the qualities we are sorely missing at present? Aren't these the qualities that might save us from relegation?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 29, 2014, 07:23:00 PM
I would consider Bruce would do us for a couple of years before his effectiveness wears off its been the same at every club hes been at.
Every club he goes to he spends ludicrous amounts of money on mediocre players without really improving them. No thanks.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 07:27:09 PM
A few have lumped on mate.

Any indication on whether it is Pulis?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 07:32:26 PM
Any indication on whether it is Pulis?
pulis will definitely not be taking1 albion job, fact
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 07:35:32 PM
pulis will definitely not be taking1 albion job, fact

At least 3 ITK's have hinted its Pulis now.. and these are 3 different people from 3 different message boards.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: poole baggie on December 29, 2014, 07:39:41 PM
i would be very surprised if its pullis he lives down here at sandbanks next to arry seems settled from what ive heard but you never know
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 29, 2014, 07:41:22 PM
I also thought Pulis wouldnt take the job at the Albion but with a couple of ITK alluding to it being Tony Pulis I have faith and confidence it's going to be him and I for one would be overjoyed which is bizarre considering 3 or 4 years ago I never would of wanted him anywhere near our club but with theway he did things at Palace I would love to see him down here.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: alex1 on December 29, 2014, 07:43:07 PM
For me it has to be a coach who plays football on the ground through the midfield. That rules out Pulis.

I would try for Eddie Howe, although it would probably be a no, as Bournemouth have a good chance of direct promotion.
Also Tim Sherwood, has Spurs playing some very decent football, and he is a character who will shake up the vested interests.

As an outsider, I would like to try for Bert van Marwijk. Took Holland to world cup final and has coached in the Bundesliga. Pundit on Dutch telly, and talks a lot of sense.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: howi1068 on December 29, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
I said in the summer I would either want Laudrup or Jol. Nothing has really changed. Feel we will end up with Hughton. Very uninspiring.

We need to let someone come in and make an impact on the way we run things to properly let them shape the team. That wont happen, so really we need a strong figure who can organise the team and a good coach who can help develop our younger players. Irvine is the coach, not the guy we want steering the ship. Pulis wont want the job, which is a shame. I quite fancy going to watch rugby every saturday.....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 07:46:36 PM
what happens if pulis was appointed and still went down, we ridiculed his style of football for years when he was at stoke. we could end up with relegation and a style none of us want to watch, he doesn't come with a guarantee whilst I appreciate palace played some good stuff under him. not saying he would be a bad appointment just that he may not be the saviour many see him to be.   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
At least 3 ITK's have hinted its Pulis now.. and these are 3 different people from 3 different message boards.
but they all say where they got the info from and name baggie 79 as the source. not saying baggie 79 is wrong because I know zilch about what goes on up the albion. just saying info spreads like fire.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 07:55:37 PM
Every club he goes to he spends ludicrous amounts of money on mediocre players without really improving them. No thanks.
he did make £5 million on a striker in 3 months,and took hull to a cup final.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie79 on December 29, 2014, 07:57:51 PM
At least 3 ITK's have hinted its Pulis now.. and these are 3 different people from 3 different message boards.

It doesn't mean it will definitely be him but he is the major target for sure, we will see over the next few days. I'm not convinced it will be him as I'm not sure he would accept our structure. One thing I am certain of is that he would keep us up by hook or by crook.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 07:57:51 PM
but they all say where they got the info from and name baggie 79 as the source. not saying baggie 79 is wrong because I know zilch about what goes on up the albion. just saying info spreads like fire.

1st you say that TP will not be coming FFACT
then you know Zilch

You are on a wind up then !!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ian66 on December 29, 2014, 07:58:28 PM
Tim Sherwood would be a disaster for the Albion.  His character and personality won't work with the current set up.
Since Hodgson who has worked with our current set up?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 29, 2014, 08:01:23 PM
If we absolutely had to look domestically - and I'd rather we didn't - then Sean Dyche is worth a shout. He's the right kind of character in that he'd take no nonsense. Peace would just have to bite the bullet for once by paying compensation and tempting him with some kind of ambition in order to appoint the right man to what is arguably the most important role at the club.

Yeah agree with that, I really rate Dyche. Obviously he's onto a good thing at Burnley at the moment, simply because there are no expectations on him. Having said that, Coyle was in a similar situation there and still decided to go to Bolton.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 08:03:13 PM
but they all say where they got the info from and name baggie 79 as the source. not saying baggie 79 is wrong because I know zilch about what goes on up the albion. just saying info spreads like fire.

Sorry no, that's so not true.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 08:03:53 PM
1st you say that TP will not be coming FFACT
then you know Zilch

You are on a wind up then !!
look at my post it says he will not be going to 1 albion.
there might be 2 albions after his services.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 08:05:29 PM
Sorry no, that's so not true.
on ,,, mad it clearly states the name of baggie 79 as to where the info came from.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 08:06:01 PM
on ,,, mad it clearly states the name of baggie 79 as to where the info came from.

I don't even go on mad sorry.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 29, 2014, 08:06:23 PM
It doesn't mean it will definitely be him but he is the major target for sure, we will see over the next few days. I'm not convinced it will be him as I'm not sure he would accept our structure. One thing I am certain of is that he would keep us up by hook or by crook.

Que a Lepko style 'Pulis been ruled out of the running' piece by his successor because we fall at the last hurdle due to pinky and perky.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ian66 on December 29, 2014, 08:08:28 PM
Surely they won't have Pulis?! I don't think Newcastle looking for a manager effects us we're in different financial leagues
The fans never wanted Big Sam so I can't see them wanting Pullis either.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 08:13:53 PM
I don't even go on mad sorry.
no apology needed mate, baggie 79 hasn't said hes the next coach just that hes a serious contender.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 08:17:59 PM
no apology needed mate, baggie 79 hasn't said hes the next coach just that hes a serious contender.

I know, its never official till its official, but separate ITK's with there own sources who I have read posts and trusted for years indicate that Pulis is keen on the job and we seem to be interested in him. Will it happen who knows, he could end up going to Brighton & Hove Albion.. but that's football anything can happen.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 08:29:14 PM
I know, its never official till its official, but separate ITK's with there own sources who I have read posts and trusted for years indicate that Pulis is keen on the job and we seem to be interested in him. Will it happen who knows, he could end up going to Brighton & Hove Albion.. but that's football anything can happen.
Regardless what we want and what people ITK tell us I would still like the club to conduct themselves in a proper manner regarding irvines position if he is to leave, must be horrible to see names banded about concerning the job your currently in, I personally want a change but am mindful that someone's job is at stake.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 08:35:36 PM
Regardless what we want and what people ITK tell us I would still like the club to conduct themselves in a proper manner regarding irvines position if he is to leave, must be horrible to see names banded about concerning the job your currently in, I personally want a change but am mindful that someone's job is at stake.

Of course, Irvine knew what he signed up for though when he took the job. Results business and all that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: elkiellis on December 29, 2014, 08:38:19 PM
give the job to pulis he is the best chance we have of staying up,everyone knows it or should know it,peace should give him what he wants,our pure footballing idealists,should see we aint played much pure football since tony Mowbray anyway,palace played great football under pulis,west ham aint doing to badly under big sam another one of the pulis mould,its pulis or the championship that's the choice,not one single other manager ive seen mentioned on this forum could bring the dressing room around a get results as quick
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 08:43:49 PM
I know I keep on plugging for Alan Curbishley but its because he fits the bill perfectly .
His style of play is easy on the eye and effective.
He is a English coach/Manager
He is Cheap no compensation.
Has a very good pedigree in the Premiership, over 38% win rate over several years at Charlton and left to a standing ovation.
Already has links with the club.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 08:47:24 PM
I know I keep on plugging for Alan Curbishley but its because he fits the bill perfectly .
His style of play is easy on the eye and effective.
He is a English coach/Manager
He is Cheap no compensation.
Has a very good pedigree in the Premiership, over 38% win rate over several years at Charlton and left to a standing ovation.
Already has links with the club.



My god. When was the last time he coached. And he failed and lasted five minutes at Fulham albeit behind the scenes . No way no thanks.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 08:48:58 PM
Latest Odds

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager

Sherwood overtakes Pulis as frontrunner.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 08:49:05 PM
I know I keep on plugging for Alan Curbishley but its because he fits the bill perfectly .
His style of play is easy on the eye and effective.
He is a English coach/Manager
He is Cheap no compensation.
Has a very good pedigree in the Premiership, over 38% win rate over several years at Charlton and left to a standing ovation.
Already has links with the club.
Don't you have any reservations about how long he's been out the game though, he was good when at Charlton  but apart from a close call at joining the dings whats he been doing.
What are the links at the club.
would love to see ardiles style again even though he walked out on us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 29, 2014, 08:51:40 PM
Don't you have any reservations about how long he's been out the game though, he was good when at Charlton  but apart from a close call at joining the dings whats he been doing.
What are the links at the club.

One link we are all aware of is Mervyn Day
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: elkiellis on December 29, 2014, 08:55:24 PM
I know I keep on plugging for Alan Curbishley but its because he fits the bill perfectly .
His style of play is easy on the eye and effective.
He is a English coach/Manager
He is Cheap no compensation.
Has a very good pedigree in the Premiership, over 38% win rate over several years at Charlton and left to a standing ovation.
Already has links with the club.
a massive gamble,even Sherwood is a gamble,the only one who isn't a gamble is pulis
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 08:58:19 PM
Latest Odds

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/west-brom/next-permanent-manager

Sherwood overtakes Pulis as frontrunner.
Just shows what little there is out there, 38 people on that list yet there's probably only 4 I would want.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 29, 2014, 09:28:10 PM
I know I keep on plugging for Alan Curbishley but its because he fits the bill perfectly .
His style of play is easy on the eye and effective.
He is a English coach/Manager
He is Cheap no compensation.
Has a very good pedigree in the Premiership, over 38% win rate over several years at Charlton and left to a standing ovation.
Already has links with the club.
He quit at West Ham then sued them for constructive dismissal, Jeremy wouldn't touch him with a barge pole
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: botters on December 29, 2014, 09:41:32 PM
I know I keep on plugging for Alan Curbishley but its because he fits the bill perfectly .
His style of play is easy on the eye and effective.
He is a English coach/Manager
He is Cheap no compensation.
Has a very good pedigree in the Premiership, over 38% win rate over several years at Charlton and left to a standing ovation.
Already has links with the club.

Oh not him again why does he always crop up the bookies dummy, we all know that he has no interest in managing us or any smaller premier league team outside London.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 10:11:03 PM
Don't you have any reservations about how long he's been out the game though, he was good when at Charlton  but apart from a close call at joining the dings whats he been doing.
What are the links at the club.
would love to see ardiles style again even though he walked out on us.
I  think he has probably watched more games than any manager in the league over the past few years as i keep saying he hasn't been on the moon.
got the experience thats all i'm saying and probably would walk out on us for the England job after Roy and taking us to 3 top 10 finishes.
but deep down we all now it will be another nice guy i think Hughton fits the bill nicely but we can dream.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
He quit at West Ham then sued them for constructive dismissal, Jeremy wouldn't touch him with a barge pole
#

the club sold his best players after the season had started and he had won 2 of the first 3 matches.

just putting a name in the hat mate
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:24:20 PM
I  think he has probably watched more games than any manager in the league over the past few years as i keep saying he hasn't been on the moon.
got the experience thats all i'm saying and probably would walk out on us for the England job after Roy and taking us to 3 top 10 finishes.
but deep down we all now it will be another nice guy i think Hughton fits the bill nicely but we can dream.

God no, not Hughton. Norwich fans were appalled at his negative approach last season.  Sound familiar?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 10:26:38 PM
#

the club sold his best players after the season had started and he had won 2 of the first 3 matches.

just putting a name in the hat mate

Wasn't that at the time the Icelandics bought West Ham?  The club at that time made Leeds and Portsmouth look well-run.

We could do a lot worse than Curbishley and we probably could do better.  He was on my wish list after Hodgson left us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: alwaysbilly on December 29, 2014, 10:27:08 PM
I  think he has probably watched more games than any manager in the league over the past few years as i keep saying he hasn't been on the moon.
got the experience thats all i'm saying and probably would walk out on us for the England job after Roy and taking us to 3 top 10 finishes.
but deep down we all now it will be another nice guy i think Hughton fits the bill nicely but we can dream.
Thats the most depressing and worrying thought - JP sacks AI - keeps backroom staff (he won't pay them all off will he) and appoint another yes man who he will hope can perform a miracle. Hughton, Jones, Adkins, McDermott etc, you can just see it coming.
Those who think (or hope like me) a Pulis like Manager will be appointed(who we surely need) will be more annoyed than they are right now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 29, 2014, 10:29:17 PM
I dare say Mike Phelans name will crop up , speaking to a Norwich fan at work he tells me since Phelan came in they have been playing four CM's across the midfield ..... ::)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 29, 2014, 10:34:28 PM
Thats the most depressing and worrying thought - JP sacks AI - keeps backroom staff (he won't pay them all off will he) and appoint another yes man who he will hope can perform a miracle. Hughton, Jones, Adkins, McDermott etc, you can just see it coming.
Those who think (or hope like me) a Pulis like Manager will be appointed(who we surely need) will be more annoyed than they are right now.
Sorry i didn't mean i was suggesting him, i was just saying we all want better but he is what we will get or some like him .
Hop its someone like Pulis but i think we can see cows flying there.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 10:48:00 PM
Tony Pulis top of our wishlist according to the Mirror, with talks already taken place.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alan-irvine-brink-west-brom-4890803

Mirror Sport understands contact has been made with Tony Pulis, who is available after leaving Crystal Palace in August.

Pulis wants £1.5million a year and full control of transfers, which are currently determined by owner Jeremy Peace and Albion’s sporting director Terry Burton.

Peace is ready to part with Albion’s existing backroom staff of Keith Downing and Dean Kiely, who stayed on when Pepe Mel left in May.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 29, 2014, 10:49:14 PM
fills me with dread what he's going to come up with now, just hoped he's moved quick to get pulis before the toon, sherwood, hughton both mistakes.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 29, 2014, 10:57:06 PM
Tony Pulis top of our wishlist according to the Mirror, with talks already taken place.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/alan-irvine-brink-west-brom-4890803

Mirror Sport understands contact has been made with Tony Pulis, who is available after leaving Crystal Palace in August.

Pulis wants £1.5million a year and full control of transfers,
which are currently determined by owner Jeremy Peace and Albion’s sporting director Terry Burton

Peace is ready to part with Albion’s existing backroom staff of Keith Downing and Dean Kiely, who stayed on when Pepe Mel left in May.

That one's a non runner then.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 11:01:33 PM
That one's a non runner then.

Pretty standard wage I think. Wasn't we going to offer Hodgson nearly £3m/year
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: 17GD on December 29, 2014, 11:07:07 PM
I'm thinking of applying for the job.

I've coached under-15s to a cup final (held at the Bucks Head in Telford) and a semi final in the same year. I'm not sure who would be more challenging to work with: under-15s or the Albion lot?

Plus, I'm willing to come cheap, and I'm prepared to get the sack in 6 months.

Surely I tick all the boxes?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: sing on our own on December 29, 2014, 11:08:00 PM
I saw on twitter earlier that Vitor Pereira was mentioned by a good source... The same journalist who broke the Gamboa transfer. 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:18:32 PM
not inspiring me

Aside from a recent spell at Al-Ahli in Saudi Arabia, his entire coaching career has been spent in Portugal, often at youth level or among backroom staff. He was assistant to Andre Villas-Boas at Porto, inheriting the job when he left to take over Chelsea in 2011.

Pereira then won back to back titles at Porto, but disappointed in Europe, and quit in summer 2013 after missing out on the Everton job.


Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
I'm thinking of applying for the job.

I've coached under-15s to a cup final (held at the Bucks Head in Telford) and a semi final in the same year. I'm not sure who would be more challenging to work with: under-15s or the Albion lot?

Plus, I'm willing to come cheap, and I'm prepared to get the sack in 6 months.

Surely I tick all the boxes?

Wrong timing - you'd have got the job if you'd applied in the summer!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Webby on December 29, 2014, 11:24:58 PM
Hopefully someone who cares more about winning than keeping the jolly boys club we seem to have happy.

Need a major slap and shake up
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MulumbuPower! on December 29, 2014, 11:25:28 PM
Please not Dave Jones
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:31:20 PM
not inspiring me

Aside from a recent spell at Al-Ahli in Saudi Arabia, his entire coaching career has been spent in Portugal, often at youth level or among backroom staff. He was assistant to Andre Villas-Boas at Porto, inheriting the job when he left to take over Chelsea in 2011.

Pereira then won back to back titles at Porto, but disappointed in Europe, and quit in summer 2013 after missing out on the Everton job.

Back to back titles in Portugal is nothing to be sniffed at.  Bobby Robson, Jose Mourinho, AVB.....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:31:55 PM
Has to be Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:33:18 PM
I dare say Mike Phelans name will crop up , speaking to a Norwich fan at work he tells me since Phelan came in they have been playing four CM's across the midfield ..... ::)

Although rattling in 5 and 6 goals a game recently at home !
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: darbolina on December 29, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
My vote would be Pulis, Jol or Sherwood with their own back room staff. Installed within the next couple of days, no more messin. Plus the new man needs the resources to make 4 or 5 changes to the squad in Jan too.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 29, 2014, 11:42:35 PM
Has to be Pulis for me, we wont go abroad surely as it will be another Pepe Mel case.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: 17GD on December 29, 2014, 11:43:07 PM
Wrong timing - you'd have got the job if you'd applied in the summer!

I'll apply this summer then when the vacancy becomes open again.  8)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:43:14 PM
My vote would be Pulis, Jol or Sherwood with their own back room staff. Installed within the next couple of days, no more messin. Plus the new man needs the resources to make 4 or 5 changes to the squad in Jan too.

Spot on.

I think the above 3 names would get the names backing.

Pulis seems the favourite by many wba fans. He could keep this bunch of lads up for sure.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:43:49 PM
My vote would be Pulis, Jol or Sherwood with their own back room staff. Installed within the next couple of days, no more messin. Plus the new man needs the resources to make 4 or 5 changes to the squad in Jan too.

Yes - would accept any of them and they definitely need backing in the market

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:44:40 PM
Has to be Pulis for me, we wont go abroad surely as it will be another Pepe Mel case.

Im 99% sure this manager will have premier league experience. The job at present is tailor made for Pulis, but with recent comments saying how impressed Peace was with Sherwood makes me think it might be Tim.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 29, 2014, 11:44:53 PM
I'm desperate for someone who won't have favourites, will not worry if he upsets the clique at the heart of this mess, will use the considerable talent at our disposal wisely and will get the fans believing again. Jeremy: talk is cheap - prove you have learnt from your mistakes.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:45:52 PM
I feel a little excitement has come back into being a Baggie again!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:46:13 PM
I would not be disappointed with Southgate but I want sherwood like I did in the summer. Pulis I won't be gutted
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:46:33 PM
true not boring tonight
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:47:10 PM
I feel a little excitement has come back into being a Baggie again!


Me too. Cup game here I come
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: johhnybaggies 4life on December 29, 2014, 11:47:18 PM
Sherwood for me, has girth, hearing that downing and Kelly are also gone!?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:47:22 PM
I feel a little excitement has come back into being a Baggie again!

This is the most upbeat I've felt since Mel promised quick pressing football. That was scuppered by the players, lets hope this good feeling isn't scuppered by Peace and Burton.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 29, 2014, 11:49:59 PM
Without sounding snobby, does anyone else think Sherwood would be suicidal?

From what I saw last season, he inherited a decent squad and tactically he set up in a similar style to AVB with a high line etc. He did ok with Spurs winning lots, but he also lost quite a lot, and the general consensus from their fans was that he was too crazy.

I would always go with Sherwood over Irvine as he has a bit of character, and may tell some of our 'clique' players where to go. But I would also wonder what else he could bring to the table in terms of tactics and management in the long-run.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
I feel a little excitement has come back into being a Baggie again!
im waiting a bit longer before I get excited, this is albion anything could happen. cannot wait to get back down the albion now irvines gone.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on December 29, 2014, 11:52:51 PM
Don't want Sherwood personally don't think he has the experience required and I think he is liable to hang himself in the press on a weekly basis.

Pulis is the only British candidate for the job. 7 years experience. Would break the comfort zone and shake things up! If we can't gav Pulis I would prefer WBA having one of the foreign coaches we interviewed or were linked with before: schaff pelligrino ranieri. Billic would be a great appointment but I doubt we could pull something like that off
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
Without sounding snobby, does anyone else think Sherwood would be suicidal?

From what I saw last season, he inherited a decent squad and tactically he set up in a similar style to AVB with a high line etc. He did ok with Spurs winning lots, but he also lost quite a lot, and the general consensus from their fans was that he was too crazy.

I would always go with Sherwood over Irvine as he has a bit of character, and may tell some of our 'clique' players where to go. But I would also wonder what else he could bring to the table in terms of tactics and management in the long-run.

I always remember Sherwood saying he wanted his attackers to attack as that's there job. Our team is screaming out for certain players to get given a chance. If the new guy does this then he has my backing.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2014, 11:54:05 PM
It's going to be Pulis isn't it?

Jeremy Peace wasn't going to risk our survival on Tim Sherwood. It wouldn't make any logical sense.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 29, 2014, 11:55:00 PM
Ihear what you're saying but 2 words Alan Irvine
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 29, 2014, 11:55:24 PM
Don't want Sherwood personally don't think he has the experience required and I think he is liable to hang himself in the press on a weekly basis.

Pulis is the only British candidate for the job. 7 years experience. Would break the comfort zone and shake things up! If we can't gav Pulis I would prefer WBA having one of the foreign coaches we interviewed or were linked with before: schaff pelligrino ranieri. Billic would be a great appointment but I doubt we could pull something like that off

We pulled Hodgson off - Bilic would be on a par!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 29, 2014, 11:55:39 PM
My heart thinks it will be Pulis, my head is saying it's going to be Sherwood. I really can't see it being anyone else.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 29, 2014, 11:56:33 PM
It's going to be Pulis isn't it?

Jeremy Peace wasn't going to risk our survival on Tim Sherwood. It wouldn't make any logical sense.

Rodney Marsh on TalkShite just said it was Pulis, but then read the Mirror report word for word. Troll.  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 29, 2014, 11:57:27 PM
Pulis + his own staff + money in the transfer window = Avoiding Relegation
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 29, 2014, 11:57:45 PM
Mirror rekon its Pulis, now express...

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Pulis set for West Brom job

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/549293/Tony-Pulis-West-Bromwich-Albion-Manager-Job
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 29, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
Rodney Marsh on TalkShite just said it was Pulis, but then read the Mirror report word for word. Troll.  ;D


With a very wry smile indeed at the time. Talk sport is probably the best coverage at the moment
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bagstaff on December 29, 2014, 11:59:37 PM
at least suggesting a new manager may be announced by the weekend suggests they have abandoned their hugely successful lengthy due diligence process that has reaped such rewards in recent years  ???
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 12:00:42 AM
Mirror rekon its Pulis, now express...

EXCLUSIVE: Tony Pulis set for West Brom job

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/549293/Tony-Pulis-West-Bromwich-Albion-Manager-Job

"Set for" doesn't unfortunately doesn't mean definitely.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: B714LF on December 30, 2014, 12:02:56 AM
Who said Christmas comes but once a year! Haven't been this excited all season.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 12:03:28 AM
The club are obviously very confident an appointment will be made by the weekend, which leaves me to believe it will be Sherwood, there are far too many complications to be ironed out with Pulis for his appointment to be made by the weekend.  90% of negotiations have already been completed with Sherwood, albeit last summer.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ashdoy on December 30, 2014, 12:03:37 AM
Cant say too much for reasons you know;

But i can say this.

I would very much like Pulis to be given the Albion job
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:04:50 AM
Cant say too much for reasons you know;

But i can say this.

I would very much like Pulis to be given the Albion job

I've been away? What do we know?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 12:05:41 AM
Is this the same Daily Mirror that announced Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was set to be appointed last December...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 30, 2014, 12:06:08 AM
The club are obviously very confident an appointment will be made by the weekend, which leaves me to believe it will be Sherwood, there are far too many complications to be ironed out with Pulis for his appointment to be made by the weekend.  90% of negotiations have already been completed with Sherwood, albeit last summer.

Sherwoods backroom staff are now employed by QPR, so its a bit different this time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 30, 2014, 12:06:25 AM
at least suggesting a new manager may be announced by the weekend suggests they have abandoned their hugely successful lengthy due diligence process that has reaped such rewards in recent years  ???
Made me laugh reading this comment. First time I've laughed about Albion in months.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:07:27 AM
Is this the same Daily Mirror that announced Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was set to be appointed last December...

Indeed, one of the least sources I'd trust. I badly want Pulis though. How about you mate, who would you like to see get the gig?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 12:07:36 AM
Sherwoods backroom staff are now employed by QPR, so its a bit different this time.
Oh ****. If Downing and Kiely don't go when the new man comes in I think I (and likely many others) will have to go on hiatus.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
I've been away? What do we know?

nods as good as a wink, touches nose,

anyway where you been ? conducting interviews ?, funny how you got back tonight jez, oops i mean jacko
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 12:08:54 AM
I don't believe for a second Peace will put our future in a novice like Sherwood's hand.

Man alive, I think he'd trust Downing more than Sherwood.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:09:07 AM
Up till then, we have Dingle Downing in charge. >:(
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 30, 2014, 12:09:22 AM
Sherwoods backroom staff are now employed by QPR, so its a bit different this time.

So maybe Downing and Keily will stay after all?  ???

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 30, 2014, 12:10:26 AM
So maybe Downing and Keily will stay after all?  ???

No chance :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 12:10:49 AM
Pulis for manager of the season again ?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 30, 2014, 12:11:37 AM
Pulis for manager of the season again ?

We would prolly have to finish top 5 for that :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 30, 2014, 12:12:02 AM
Pulis for manager of the season again ?
Why were is he going? ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:12:29 AM
Pulis for manager of the season again ?

That would be brilliant.  And then hopefully see through a whole season afterwards !
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:14:05 AM
The beauty of Pulis is that he will never be offer a top job. Purely due to his reputation. However, his football has evolved since his Stoke side bullied it's way to promotion behind West Brazil. Don't get me wrong I'd have loved a ten year Mowbray dynasty but we didn't have the pull to keep him. Pulis can have a long tenure with us if he can get on with Peace.

*Sorry posted this in wrong thread*
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: boing_boing68 on December 30, 2014, 12:14:31 AM
I'd love pulis to take us over, his football is never the most exciting to watch but it gets results and winning football is not boring football
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: very old baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:14:55 AM
It has to be Pulis, does,nt it?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mikkyk on December 30, 2014, 12:15:41 AM
Is Rob Kelly still there? I think I read that on the BBC article, just imagine "Kelly new Albion boss"
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:15:53 AM
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'It has to be Pulis..... Does,nt it?

Senior moment??  :D

But yes. Anything else would be very odd.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 12:16:05 AM
Indeed, one of the least sources I'd trust. I badly want Pulis though. How about you mate, who would you like to see get the gig?

I’d like us to actually go out and pay some compensation if we have to.  McLaren? Offer him his own staff and a decent budget and maybe he would be tempted.  Warburton at Brentford, plays good football and we tried to get him as Director of Football, but maybe a gamble too far.  And if we are willing to give Pulis full autonomy, why not see if we can tempt Howe.  Think I’d actually prefer Sherwood to Pulis but that isn’t saying much.  One thing is for sure Jeremy can’t afford to cock this one up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bagstaff on December 30, 2014, 12:17:16 AM
That would be brilliant.  And then hopefully see through a whole season afterwards !

no chance - that would involve stability

and we wonder why so many players seem to be 'above' any manager - if you had stayed around in your job while so many of your managers had been shown the door i think you too woul feel a little 'untouchable'.

i fear another bit of short termism a a result of a missed opportunity in the summer, when we had more time on our hands
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ashdoy on December 30, 2014, 12:18:38 AM
My source (and they are much better than Sky) ...

"Expecting Downing & Kelly to also go". Take my word, this source is reliable.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Groovephil on December 30, 2014, 12:19:46 AM
Sherwood would be a shocking idea, he was a joke at spurs. all flash and no idea. Why do you think no one else has gone for him?

It better be Pulis, everything else scares me.

The club needs a tactical manager, the last 3 have been all over the place with no ability to change a game once it begins.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2014, 12:19:53 AM
Senior moment??  :D

But yes. Anything else would be very odd.
but he wouldn't play your darling, would he? Because he as nothing to offer anymore and he would be gone with the rest of the deadwood.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bagstaff on December 30, 2014, 12:22:16 AM
Sherwood would be a shocking idea, he was a joke at spurs. all flash and no idea. Why do you think no one else has gone for him?

It better be Pulis, everything else scares me.

The club needs a tactical manager, the last 3 have been all over the place with no ability to change a game once it begins.

does Pulis?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 30, 2014, 12:22:38 AM
I think losing the stripes and appointing Pulis in one season would probably push me over the edge.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Groovephil on December 30, 2014, 12:23:23 AM
does Pulis?

Just see his record against us in the prem. He knows how to play the low teams.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 12:23:33 AM
You can now change your Irvine avatars  :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies on December 30, 2014, 12:24:48 AM
Tony Pulis? Do you remember when we used to mock him as manager of Stoke? All of a sudden he is the saviour?

It would be a short-termist appointment, one that's only purpose would be to get ourselves out of this self inflicted mess. He would not play any progressive football, he would not be happy with the system we have at the club in the long term and he would walk out at some stage after falling out with Jeremy Peace and his cluelessness.

Tony Pulis, Tim Sherwood. Who comes up with these lists? What happened to the Albion?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 30, 2014, 12:25:01 AM
You can now change your Irvine avatars  :)
As can you Sir ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:26:28 AM
but he wouldn't play your darling, would he? Because he as nothing to offer anymore and he would be gone with the rest of the deadwood.

I'm certain Brunt will play under any manager we appoint. On this issue it's you that is wrong. Anyway, nothing will bring me down tonight.  8)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 30, 2014, 12:26:57 AM
I think losing the stripes and appointing Pulis in one season would probably push me over the edge.

I'm glad it's not just me thinking this!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 12:29:14 AM
would prefer pulis over Sherwood, we need some stability with a long term appointment, just feel with Sherwood its going to be like waiting for the bomb to explode.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:29:37 AM
I'm glad it's not just me thinking this!

Who would you go for mate? Maybe time for a poll?

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 12:31:30 AM
I’d like us to actually go out and pay some compensation if we have to.  McLaren? Offer him his own staff and a decent budget and maybe he would be tempted.  Warburton at Brentford, plays good football and we tried to get him as Director of Football, but maybe a gamble too far.  And if we are willing to give Pulis full autonomy, why not see if we can tempt Howe.  Think I’d actually prefer Sherwood to Pulis but that isn’t saying much.  One thing is for sure Jeremy can’t afford to cock this one up.

Can't see us tempting McLaren or Howe (for different reasons) and as you say Warburton would be too risky. He has already taken his risk this season I feel.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 12:32:25 AM
Who would you go for mate? Maybe time for a poll?
just don't put dave jones on it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 30, 2014, 12:32:49 AM
I always remember Sherwood saying he wanted his attackers to attack as that's there job. Our team is screaming out for certain players to get given a chance. If the new guy does this then he has my backing.

Don't get me wrong; I think Sherwood could bring a few positives and I like some of his ideas; such as attacking play, decent football and standing up against cocky footballers. However, I also feel that sometimes that was all he had going for him, and beneath it was someone who was tactically naive.

I wouldn't mind Sherwood anyway, he would be refreshing and there's a strong chance he'd be an improvement on Irvine by default, however my point is that I'm also skeptical about his limitations as a manager and his professionalism.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 12:33:04 AM
Who would you go for mate? Maybe time for a poll?
Poll is a good shout. Suggestions:

Sherwood
Pulis
Jol
McInnes
Van Marwijk
Pellegrino
Advocaat
Schaaf
Slomka
Vitor Pereira
Paul Clement
Ranieri
Dave Jones (shudder)
Howe
Mowbray
Karl Robinson
Steve McClaren
Uwe Rosler
Zola
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:33:08 AM
We need a blood and guts fighter.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 12:34:04 AM
just don't put dave jones on it.




Why not, we have to have some balance  :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 12:34:10 AM
I find it very difficult to believe wed be willing to get Pulis. The club might be willing to change a bit, to get pulis it'd have to completely rip up the structure we've been building for 7 years now. pulis ended up quitting palace because he had to work with moody, we have way more constraints than that.

At palace he also made a lot of January signings last season, his style of players. Its hard to see us allowing that.

Pulis coming here would mean a lot of peoples jobs at risk, particularly Burton who's behind the appointments. A turkeys don't vote for Christmas situation.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bagstaff on December 30, 2014, 12:35:36 AM
Just see his record against us in the prem. He knows how to play the low teams.

yes but re original post pulis never achieved one win for palace from a losing position - so i question if he doesn't get it right from the start does he actually have the tactical nouse to change it?? i don't know - maybe his track record at stoke was better re this
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2014, 12:35:48 AM
I'm certain Brunt will play under any manager we appoint. On this issue it's you that is wrong. Anyway, nothing will bring me down tonight.  8)
not trying to bring you down mate, but we will see, i think whoever takes over if they bring in their own people and not get influenced by people around them will realise who is worth a place.and i am 100% sure he won't be one of them.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ronny boy on December 30, 2014, 12:36:59 AM
In the immediate aftermath of Irvine's sacking, all the talk is about Tony Pulis or Tim Sherwood taking over. So if it was a straight choice between the 2 who would you choose?

I'd have to go with Pulis as he has the experience and nous to get us out of relegation danger this season. I worry that with Sherwood we would just be carrying on with the current theme of promoting inexperience and it'll ultimately result in relegation.

Of course there will probably be other names linked in the coming days.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 30, 2014, 12:37:36 AM
Who would you go for mate? Maybe time for a poll?

I'd love to see Eddie Howe, but I'm realistic and know there's no chance of that happening. Honestly, I don't know. There aren't that many obvious choices.

I can see the thinking behind Pulis - he'd more than likely secure our survival. However, after witnessing the game against the clayheads a few seasons ago when Vela scored, I cannot accept that man in charge of my team. That was the most disgusting display of "football" I've ever seen following Albion home and away for 20 years.

I just hope the board make a better decision than they did in the summer. Irvine was an utterly brainless appointment by the men in charge which was doomed to fail.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:37:57 AM
Get Pepe back...with his own staff this time?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 12:38:49 AM
Could we add some of these to the poll?

Jol
McInnes
Van Marwijk
Pellegrino
Advocaat
Schaaf
Slomka
Vitor Pereira
Paul Clement
Ranieri
Dave Jones (shudder)
Howe
Mowbray
Karl Robinson
Steve McClaren
Uwe Rosler
Zola
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bagstaff on December 30, 2014, 12:39:15 AM
i would enter a bidding war for pardew

but mr peace will not!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: paulosull on December 30, 2014, 12:40:06 AM
Hope peace has learnt his lesson have to pay good money for top coach no Mikey mouse appointment or the next person to be abused will be you
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 30, 2014, 12:53:07 AM
For me we can rule out Mclaren due to the compensation and just how well Derby are doing. Why would he want to come to us when we could be swapping leagues next season. For me it's out of the two outstanding candidates which are Pulis and Sherwood. I personally think it will be Sherwood because apparently he impressed Peace alot during last summer and I think he would be more willing to work under the head coach title then Pulis would.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Xpresso on December 30, 2014, 12:54:20 AM
For me, Pulis yes. Anyone else, no.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 30, 2014, 01:04:16 AM
Seems that Ashley wants to speak to Pulis for Newcastle job. Could be more twists yet.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bagstaff on December 30, 2014, 01:09:08 AM
Seems that Ashley wants to speak to Pulis for Newcastle job. Could be more twists yet.

surely that can't work - don't get me wrong pulis should deliver the job ashley wants but will never deliver the job the fans want. 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie Artist on December 30, 2014, 01:13:45 AM
I'd prefer Sherwood. Our fans won't stand for Pulis type football in the long run, we need to plan for the future.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 01:18:25 AM
Must admit that I did not want Sherwood appointed last time round.
Seems to be all mouth and trousers.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: liam-zuiverloon on December 30, 2014, 02:10:11 AM
Derek Mcinness
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: east-stand-nick on December 30, 2014, 03:20:58 AM
Derek Mcinness

He's got as much top level experience as Irvine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 30, 2014, 04:25:29 AM
Whoever it is needs to be given the tools to do the job hisvway
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: gavinrussell on December 30, 2014, 06:08:36 AM
Pulis or Sherwood...is that really the best we can do...how depressing...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 30, 2014, 06:40:09 AM
Pulis or Sherwood...is that really the best we can do...how depressing...

We can appoint a bigger name but Pulis is the right fit for now like Megson was in 2000.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 30, 2014, 06:41:54 AM
Bad timing really, the Newcastle job is waiting for an experienced manager, looks like we're going to be left with the scraps again
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 30, 2014, 07:22:24 AM
Bad timing really, the Newcastle job is waiting for an experienced manager, looks like we're going to be left with the scraps again

We may have moved quick because of the toon situation.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 07:28:35 AM
We could do with bringing someone in who will mostly unite the fanbase again after the vitriolic divisions there have been over the past 6 months but, of the obvious candidates, whilst none of them will cause such wide dismay as Irvine did, there will still be plenty of doubters no matter who gets appointed.

I suppose what is most important is that it isn't someone whose track record is majorly flawed, as that will give people ammunition from the outset and, as we know from what happened with Irvine, some fans are quick to fire whatever ammo they have.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 30, 2014, 07:47:25 AM
Out of Sherwood and Pulis it has to be the latter. He has a proven record of avoiding relegation Sherwood hasn't.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: popbaggie28 on December 30, 2014, 07:54:08 AM
If we have to change the current set up to get Pullis then so be it, id like us to do whatever it takes to get him!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: boot2006 on December 30, 2014, 07:55:18 AM
Has to be Pulis.  Sherwood has no track record for avoiding relegation.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 30, 2014, 08:05:26 AM
Sherwood didn't take Spurs down so he has survived relegation  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 30, 2014, 08:16:41 AM
Club are saying we will have someone by the weekend, thats pretty quick if the case
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Chipperfan on December 30, 2014, 08:26:41 AM
Can't say either excites me particularly but as long as whoever gets ithe job plays decent football and secures enough points to keep us up this season I'll be happy.

As I was typing this I realised how sad that is, that simply surviving is the extent of our ambition. Bloody hell Albion, shape up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: koren on December 30, 2014, 08:33:11 AM
I have said before the appointment of AI,I think we need a experienced manager this season.As we are near the relegation zone now,so we need Pulis much more   imminently.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: telford baggie on December 30, 2014, 08:34:02 AM
one thing is for sure this appointment is huge and one that needs to bring albion fans back on side.majority never wanted irvine in the first place including myself so was never going to work out here ....just downing and kelly to go now and we can start again....aslong as its not dave jones or neil warnock lets get behind them
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: miggybaggy on December 30, 2014, 08:37:12 AM
Can we please have a real manager and not another head coach?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 30, 2014, 08:46:18 AM
I think bbc a short term appointment is probably the way to go to minimise the impact of what needs to be done higher up at the club.

Then in the summer there needs to be a restructuring. Too many generals. Head of this and Head of that. Peace needs to relax this structure to allow a MANAGER to have some say in who he wants otherwise we won't attract a MANAGER of real quality.

For me the restructure of the club is every bit as important as the appointment of the next manager.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: charliemike on December 30, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
If someone will be in by the weekend then this has been planned for a while . While PULIS is my choice I do think it will be sherwood . We also need 3 or 4 players . It's ok the squad saying they think Irvine is great it's mistakes that cost him his job .
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 30, 2014, 08:47:21 AM
Pulis or Sherwood...is that really the best we can do...how depressing...
Who would you have then?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 08:51:02 AM
I think bbc a short term appointment is probably the way to go to minimise the impact of what needs to be done higher up at the club.

Then in the summer there needs to be a restructuring. Too many generals. Head of this and Head of that. Peace needs to relax this structure to allow a MANAGER to have some say in who he wants otherwise we won't attract a MANAGER of real quality.

For me the restructure of the club is every bit as important as the appointment of the next manager.

I agree with the restructure. Not sure it'll happen though. Only time will tell.

I don't think Pulis will fancy a temporary job. He isn't the youngest and I'm sure he'd want to at least secure his future for at least 12 months.

I can understand the logic of getting someone in on a temporary basis however that does restrict the availalble people out there somewhat and we are already looking in a small pond as it is.

The next appointment needs to be someone who is happy to just scrape by for the next for months and as you say a small rebuild in the summer and then kick on from there.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
Hope I am wrong but cannot see it being either pulis or sherwood.

They would be too strong for peace. They would challenge him. Pulis due to fact we know he will walk out and sherwood because he'l say to press what he thinks.I think this has more twists to come.

Just hope we get a move on and appoint quickly before due diligence kicks in.

Be interesting how much money made available for new players = berahino gone me thinks.....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2014, 08:52:49 AM
I would've chosen Sherwood in the summer but appointing him NOW is a big risk as he has no experience of being in this position before. Pulis has and he excels in this sort of position. For that reason I'd choose Pulis - just because of the timing really. Sherwood long term option, Pulis short term option.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BobTaylor on December 30, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
Pulis would be another one where i wouldnt watch hes interviews or nothing never liked the guy but he would get results for our club im not sure he will get it though as it would really put the clique we have to pieces, What would be fascinating about pulis is who he drops and who he takes a shine to.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Barrington on December 30, 2014, 08:58:10 AM
'IF' Pulis would be willing to come to us (and that's a big 'IF'), I would take him in a heartbeat. What we need for the rest of the season is someone to give us the best chance of staying up, then all parties have the summer to look at how best to move forward if we manage to stay up. Pulis would be the outstanding candidate at this present time if this is the approach that Peace intends to take.

However, I just can't see Pulis being our next manager/head coach, and can see it being another gamble type appointment. Time will tell. Let's hope Peace can pull something good out of the bag.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stafford on December 30, 2014, 09:00:54 AM
Breaking news on SSN. West brom in talks with Tony Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lonions on December 30, 2014, 09:04:21 AM
Tony Mowbrays barmy armey! Anyone?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 09:04:44 AM
 Cannot see Pulis accepting after talks but hope I am wrong.

We will try to save pennies on staff/contracts and he will go. Newcastle fans reckon pardew will sign for palace today enabling pulis to go to them...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggielad82 on December 30, 2014, 09:05:25 AM
Pulis would probably be my first choice at this present moment in time. If the appointment is going to be made as quick as this weekend then it has to be somebody who is currently out of a job.....it would take time and money to lure someone away from a comfortable job.

It just scares the s*** out of me that Warnock is available, and judging by JP's last cock up nothing would surprise me!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 30, 2014, 09:08:05 AM
Cannot see Pulis accepting after talks but hope I am wrong.

We will try to save pennies on staff/contracts and he will go. Newcastle fans reckon pardew will sign for palace today enabling pulis to go to them...

it's on back pages of i Newspaper that Collocini will be offered Newcastle job. Seems it was part of the reason why he decided not to leave last season.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 09:10:33 AM
I TP am having talks with JP
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 30, 2014, 09:11:28 AM
Pulis would probably keep us up but I think I may cry if he is appointed. I cannot believe so many of our fans would be happy with him. West Brom are a club steeped in tradition of playing good attractive entertaining football. Pulis is the exact opposite of all that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Groovephil on December 30, 2014, 09:11:46 AM
I just can't see JP going the Sherwood route, it's just too risky and his talk of learning lessons in the summer would be rubbish.

The lesson is you don't appoint a novice in a relegation fight. See how that worked for Wolves, twice.

For once we need to go for experience and a serious change, I'm tired of the Albion way as frankly I;ve not seen it in over 30 years.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 09:12:26 AM
I'd go with Pulis, with the caveat that Paul Clement is alongside him and nominated successor
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2014, 09:15:43 AM
Pulis would probably keep us up but I think I may cry if he is appointed. I cannot believe so many of our fans would be happy with him. West Brom are a club steeped in tradition of playing good attractive entertaining football. Pulis is the exact opposite of all that.

On the contrary, Palace played some exciting football at times last season. He'll ultimately be judged by his time at Stoke but i like to think he evolved a little.

Head says Pulis, heart says Jol. Gut feeling says Sherwood.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 30, 2014, 09:18:10 AM
Short memories us fans have got, we hated Pulis at Stoke with his style of football.

I thought all Albion wanted was attacking football ? under Pulis ?

Oh well if it is him I will still give him a chance like I have with every other manager we have had including Irvine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 09:22:03 AM
i am most definitely your man
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: garry on December 30, 2014, 09:23:27 AM
Head says Pulis, heart says Jol. Gut feeling says Sherwood.
Exactly the way I feel.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BobTaylor on December 30, 2014, 09:24:34 AM
Im more worried about whats going to happen in the showers, Can you imagine saido reaction to pulis standing next to him butt naked.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 09:25:07 AM
Short memories us fans have got, we hated Pulis at Stoke with his style of football.

I thought all Albion wanted was attacking football ? under Pulis ?

Oh well if it is him I will still give him a chance like I have with every other manager we have had including Irvine.

Not really, I like many other West Brom fans don't particularly want Pulis in charge.

However in my opinion we would have been relegated under Irvine and we need a change.

If it is Pulis then at least Peace realises the head coach scenario will not work, and we can finally move forward.

The likes of Pulis will want to put his own stamp on the team, that at least should see dead wood being shipped out with immediate effect.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: albion59 on December 30, 2014, 09:25:31 AM
Tony Mowbrays barmy armey! Anyone?
no!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 09:26:15 AM
Pulis would probably keep us up but I think I may cry if he is appointed. I cannot believe so many of our fans would be happy with him. West Brom are a club steeped in tradition of playing good attractive entertaining football. Pulis is the exact opposite of all that.

Where has this myth come from?

Yes we probably played that type of football during late 60s and 70s but since then the football has been far from good attractive football.

I don't remember seeing any attractive football in the 90s and early 00s. In fact the only attractive football I seen was under Mowbray and we all know how that ended.

I don't remember many people moaning under Megson when we were winning 1-0 every week and I'm sure we won't hear many people monaing if Pulis keeps us up either.

Pulis got an average Stoke team into the premier league. He kept them up and got them to a cup final all while rebuilding behind the scenes.

I'm not convinced the football will be hoof ball at least not until he's got is own players around him. We simply haven't got the players to play that way.

Also, under Pulis palace were completely different to how Stoke played.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie96 on December 30, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Crystal palace were one of the most entertaining teams in the league last season. Pulis isn't long ball he just plays to the teams strengths.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: seteefeet on December 30, 2014, 09:27:40 AM
Short memories us fans have got, we hated Pulis at Stoke with his style of football.

I thought all Albion wanted was attacking football ? under Pulis ?

Oh well if it is him I will still give him a chance like I have with every other manager we have had including Irvine.
Absolutely right, Irvine (his appointment, not him personally) has damaged the fans so much that Pulis becomes the messiah.
The fact is though that we cannot be picky at this point we need radical change.
Doesn't get more radical than Pulis.
That said, if we get Palace Pulis it might not be as bad as we fear. Get Stoke Pulis and it may take years before we see a decent footballing side again. We'll probably stay up though.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: miggybaggy on December 30, 2014, 09:30:01 AM
The likelihood is we're going down, just look at our last five games. So, do we go for a long term manager when we're in the championship, or do we appoint Pulis in the short term to try and keep us up. A difficult one. I think pulis will divide the opinions of fans in the same way Irvine did.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: swad35 on December 30, 2014, 09:32:33 AM
Crystal palace were one of the most entertaining teams in the league last season. Pulis isn't long ball he just plays to the teams strengths.

Agree with this, Stoke were a big physical team and that's how they played, Crystal palace fast pacey players who can play on the ground.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2014, 09:33:23 AM
Where has this myth come from?

Yes we probably played that type of football during late 60s and 70s but since then the football has been far from good attractive football.

I don't remember seeing any attractive football in the 90s and early 00s. In fact the only attractive football I seen was under Mowbray and we all know how that ended.

I don't remember many people moaning under Megson when we were winning 1-0 every week and I'm sure we won't hear many people monaing if Pulis keeps us up either.



Absolutely spot on. Every single club has had a spell of playing attractive football at some point in their history, Albion included but there have been far more years where the football hasn't been attractive than years that have.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionBest on December 30, 2014, 09:39:25 AM
Exactly the way I feel.

and me.......really fancy Jol at the Hawthorns. He would have the fans on side from the off.

Never been a fan of Pullis but he was superb when he came into Palace last season and, unfortunately, I think he may just be what this bunch of players need at the moment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 30, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
The likelihood is we're going down, just look at our last five games. So, do we go for a long term manager when we're in the championship, or do we appoint Pulis in the short term to try and keep us up. A difficult one. I think pulis will divide the opinions of fans in the same way Irvine did.

this is a spurious argument. The 4 teams currently below have to play those sides too or do you think that Hull, Palace, Burnley and Leicester will all get better results against Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, Chelsea and Arsenal than we will? It's not necessarily results against those teams that will relegate us but our results against Hull, Palace, Burnley, Leicester, QPR, Villa etc that will determine our fate, so really the games in march and early April are the important ones win those and we should stay up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: section5 on December 30, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
Why are people so fickle? Since when did we become the modern day arsenal?
Pulis will be a fantastic appointment I don't particularly care about the football I want results
I want to stay in the prem, if pulis was to be our boss we'll have a better chance of staying up than
the others that have been linked to the job, those that think we're above pulis need to get
real and realise where we are at as a club I'd have no qualms if he was to leave us in a few
years time in the state he left stoke look at them now, baggies fans get real
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 30, 2014, 09:45:00 AM
If it's at all possible to apply logic, particularly my logic, it has to be Tony Pulis. We need to stay in this division and he is readily available, has a track record in the PL and also for keeping a team that was dead in the water, similar to us, up.  I just hope lightening does strike twice in the same place so to speak.

I think he is the type of manager that will play to his teams strengths and in a way that upsets better opposition to give a chance of competing in games against them. Might not be pretty at times but as I've written in other threads we are too "nice" and TP will, I believe, give us a nasty edge that will allow us to play the type of football we all want to see.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 09:48:54 AM
as long as our intent everytime we go on the field of play is to win a game of football and attack the goal more i aint really fussed. cant stand setting a team to draw a game especially home games.
Pulis if is brand is hoof i wont be bothered as long as we get ball in box and see more goalmouth action
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: koren on December 30, 2014, 09:50:00 AM
http://www.teamtalk.com/west-bromwich-albion/9625276/Premier-League-Tony-Pulis-in-talks-with-West-Bromwich-Albion (http://www.teamtalk.com/west-bromwich-albion/9625276/Premier-League-Tony-Pulis-in-talks-with-West-Bromwich-Albion)

A formal approach has been made but Sky understands Pulis wants full control of transfer activity at West Brom.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 30, 2014, 09:51:36 AM
Where has this myth come from?

Yes we probably played that type of football during late 60s and 70s but since then the football has been far from good attractive football.

I don't remember seeing any attractive football in the 90s and early 00s. In fact the only attractive football I seen was under Mowbray and we all know how that ended.


Speak to those who were there in the 50s. We were invited to play against the best clubs in Europe because of our style and its a style that has stayed with us straight throughout to now with the obvious blip that was Megson and beforehand Gould. We have never been a long ball team other than under those managers. In the 80s and 90s the club was on its knees and bought cr*p players. Still played football on the deck. Ossie Ardiles played great football. That season was a joy to watch.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 30, 2014, 09:51:50 AM
Pulis gets the defence sorted then attacks depending on the type of players he has available.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 09:52:40 AM
Looks like JP needs to try a new dish ,

compromise on toast

Personally not a Pulis fan, but I think he is what the club needs at this point in time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2014, 09:53:01 AM
I do care about the football that's served up. I've gone for Sherwood on the grounds that he could be the man to bring 3 or 4 younger players into the squad and he's a safer bet for decent football than Pulis. Our games against the Pulis Stoke resembled rugby more than football. What's to say he won't go down that same road ?
I mentioned elsewhere that Henry Winter (Telegraph) said on Sunday's 'Sunday Supplement' that he had talked to JP at some meeting after the last new manager process and JP had told him that he was very impressed with Sherwood.
I'll admit Pulis is the safer bet for survival this year but I'm hoping Sherwood will be watching from the stands on Saturday before taking over.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 09:53:11 AM
Pulis is the guy too change things around.

I wasn't a huge fan of his Stoke days although he did wonders for them but his Crystal Palace team were exciting too watch
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 30, 2014, 09:53:16 AM
If Albion agreed to Pulis' demands for control of transfers then this will make Burton and Day surplus to requirements. I cannot see JP agreeing to these demands.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2014, 09:54:18 AM
Speak to those who were there in the 50s. We were invited to play against the best clubs in Europe because of our style and its a style that has stayed with us straight throughout to now with the obvious blip that was Megson and beforehand Gould. We have never been a long ball team other than under those managers. In the 80s and 90s the club was on its knees and bought cr*p players. Still played football on the deck. Ossie Ardiles played great football. That season was a joy to watch.


The 50's were 60 years ago. Since then we had the late 70's team, the Ossie team and the Mowbray team that were what I would describe as particularly attractive to watch. Other than that, not really.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 30, 2014, 09:55:49 AM
http://www.teamtalk.com/west-bromwich-albion/9625276/Premier-League-Tony-Pulis-in-talks-with-West-Bromwich-Albion (http://www.teamtalk.com/west-bromwich-albion/9625276/Premier-League-Tony-Pulis-in-talks-with-West-Bromwich-Albion)

A formal approach has been made but Sky understands Pulis wants full control of transfer activity at West Brom.
Must be further advanced than this if we are going to announce by the weekend, oh forgot it's the Albion, talks broke down yet again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 09:58:32 AM
Johnny Giles - good football
Ossy Ardiles - good football
Tony Mowbray good football
Ron Atkinson GREAT football
Alan Ashman good football
Roberto di Matteo - ok football
Roy Hodgson - ok football

yes its dipped of late but we have had plenty of good football yes some dross too.
Megson / Clarke

And there has been freaking awful
Buckley / Gould / Howe ......
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 10:00:57 AM
So let's get this straight!

Nearly everyone on here is agreed that our last few head coaches have lacked on thing, experience and specifically premier league experience.

We can mostly agree that on the pitch we lacked direction and leadership.

Again, we can mostly all agree that the players have had it too easy the last few years and that something needs to be done.

So a bloke with premier leauge experience, who has a history of sorting out clubs that are potenitally relegation material becomes available and looks like he could be appointed people start to moan that it isn't good enough.

The only other realistic option is sherwood but has he really got enough premier leauge expierence?

Granted I am worried that hoofball will come to the Hawthorns but not as much as I am worried that we will get relegated unless something is done quickly.

I'm not saying he's the perfect man for the job, what I am saying is he is the only man who has got the experience that all the fans have been crying out for. Unfortunatly we can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: slate on December 30, 2014, 10:04:00 AM
We have had 20 "permanent" managers over the past 30 years.

By my counting I'd say the football was very good under 4 of those.

Win percentage is on the right hand side just for reference - obviously attractive football and winning don't necessarily go together. Just something to think about.....


Johnny Giles 14 February 1984   29 September 1985    32%   
Nobby Stiles 29 September 1985   1 February 1986 14%   
Ron Saunders    14 February 1986   2 September 1987   22%   
Ron Atkinson   3 September 1987   12 October 1988 28%   
Brian Talbot 2 November 1988   8 January 1991 30%
Bobby Gould   25 February 1991   5 May 1992 33%   
Osvaldo Ardiles 8 May 1992   19 June 1993   54%
Keith Burkinshaw 19 June 1993   17 October 1994 23%   
Alan Buckley 20 October 1994   22 January 1997 33%   
Ray Harford 6 February 1997   4 December 1997 47%   
Denis Smith 24 December 1997 27 July 1999 30%   
Brian Little 3 August 1999 6 March 2000 19%
Gary Megson   9 March 2000   26 October 2004 42%
Bryan Robson    9 November 2004   18 September 2006   81 23%
Tony Mowbray    18 October 2006   16 June 2009   40%
Roberto Di Matteo 30 June 2009   6 February 2011 48%
Roy Hodgson   14 February 2011   1 May 2012 37%   
Steve Clarke 12 June 2012   14 December 2013   32%   
Pepe Mel    9 lJanuary 2014   12 May 2014 17%
Alan Irvine 14 June 2014   29 December 2014   22%   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wba1993dave on December 30, 2014, 10:05:59 AM
Sherwood would be great long term, but Pulis is exactly what we need right now. Wouldn't take sh*t from the likes of Morrison,Brunt,Dorrans. Our defense on paper is good it just needs to be better organised. The likes of Lescott and Dawson would excel under Pulis. Its a big if though would he work under our setup probably not.But i hope JP will reshape a few things to accommodate Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 10:06:29 AM
Pulis would probably keep us up but I think I may cry if he is appointed. I cannot believe so many of our fans would be happy with him. West Brom are a club steeped in tradition of playing good attractive entertaining football. Pulis is the exact opposite of all that.

As has been pointed out on here a few times over the past couple of years we have not played consistent good attractive football for a while.

I'm in no way a Pulis fan but given the issues that seem to be lingering and rumoured around the club he could be the strong character we need. His football has not been the best no denying it but its effective and in the short term could give us a platform to build on as Megson did and give us a bit of solidity instead of being a powder puff side scared to put the foot in. If it means we say goodbye to a few of the players who have outstayed their welcome then again so be it. Whole thing needs change.

Do I expect Pulis to come ? probably not to be honest.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: slate on December 30, 2014, 10:08:20 AM
Sherwood would be great long term, but Pulis is exactly what we need right now. Wouldn't take sh*t from the likes of Morrison,Brunt,Dorrans. Our defense on paper is good it just needs to be better organised. The likes of Lescott and Dawson would excel under Pulis. Its a big if though would he work under our setup probably not.But i hope JP will reshape a few things to accommodate Pulis.

What makes you say that those players give the manager s*it?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 10:08:47 AM
I might be wrong but I just can’t see JP relinquishing the principals he holds regarding the clubs structure and and recruitment policy.

Pulis is hardly the most sensible manager in the transfer market is he.

Kitson £6M
Jones £8M
Whitehead £5M
Arismendi £3M
Palacios £6M

To name but a few.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kirk on December 30, 2014, 10:09:25 AM
So pulis wants full control...... Give it to him, no more 2nd rate coaches and our player recruitment has not been too good also it was burton who appointed Irvine. The whole back room needs a clear out. Learn from your mistakes a 2nd time mr peace.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 30, 2014, 10:11:07 AM
So pulis wants full control...... Give it to him, no more 2nd rate coaches and our player recruitment has not been too good also it was burton who appointed Irvine. The whole back room needs a clear out. Learn from your mistakes a 2nd time mr peace.


Hear hear!

No ******* up this time Jeremy, learn your lessons.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 30, 2014, 10:13:40 AM
I might be wrong but I just can’t see JP relinquishing the principals he holds regarding the clubs structure and and recruitment policy.

Pulis is hardly the most sensible manager in the transfer market is he.

Kitson £6M
Jones £8M
Whitehead £5M
Arismendi £3M
Palacios £6M

To name but a few.

Fuller £500k
Shawcross £1m
Begovic £3.25m

I mean our recruitment team spent £6m on Anichebe ffs.

And the £10m on Ideye is not looking great.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Blowee on December 30, 2014, 10:14:20 AM
Johnny Giles - good football
Ossy Ardiles - good football
Tony Mowbray good football
Ron Atkinson GREAT football
Alan Ashman good football
Roberto di Matteo - ok football
Roy Hodgson - ok football

yes its dipped of late but we have had plenty of good football yes some dross too.
Megson / Clarke

I enjoyed watching us under Megson - but perhaps expectations where lower back then. I love our battling never say die performances in the promotion season and remember the 1-0 win at Preston as well as any victory.

Giles as far as I remember didn't encourage attractive football all I recall is the ball being passed sideways across the pitch!

And there has been freaking awful
Buckley / Gould / Howe ......
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: botters on December 30, 2014, 10:14:31 AM
Pulis would probably keep us up but I think I may cry if he is appointed. I cannot believe so many of our fans would be happy with him. West Brom are a club steeped in tradition of playing good attractive entertaining football. Pulis is the exact opposite of all that.

It's results that count in our situation currently, Irvine didn't exactly get us playing attractive entertaining football and obviously could not get the results. We need winning football.   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 10:15:20 AM
As has been pointed out on here a few times over the past couple of years we have not played consistent good attractive football for a while.

I'm in no way a Pulis fan but given the issues that seem to be lingering and rumoured around the club he could be the strong character we need. His football has not been the best no denying it but its effective and in the short term could give us a platform to build on as Megson did and give us a bit of solidity instead of being a powder puff side scared to put the foot in. If it means we say goodbye to a few of the players who have outstayed their welcome then again so be it. Whole thing needs change.

Do I expect Pulis to come ? probably not to be honest.

Pretty much sums it up for me.

We shall wait and see as it isn't a cert that it is going to be Pulis.

I have really changed my opinion in the last 12 months. 12 months ago I would have hated the idea of pulisball at the albion but it's needs must at the minute I feel.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Blowee on December 30, 2014, 10:21:10 AM
Totally agree than any thing other than winning is luxury at the moment. Let's face it if we had won at QPR and Stoke and were sitting on 23 points mid-table we'd be saying let's see out the season with AI and rethink in the close season. Staying up is priority no.1.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: silver surfer on December 30, 2014, 10:24:48 AM
For the life of me I can't see the attraction with Sherwood, managing Tottenham for 2 thirds of season doesn't qualify him to save a club heading head long for relegation.
I never thought Pullis would be a 1st pick amongst Albion fans, but in my opinion he's maybe the best choice ready and available to step right in.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 30, 2014, 10:26:38 AM
Just look at his record. He lost his last 7 games at Fulham at went awry there but his record is exemplory and I think he's at the top end of what we can get. It has absolutely nothing to do with him ever playing here I don't think I was even alive and you never hear fans speaking fondly of him in the same way as say Regis etc. nothing to do with sentimentality.

That's because he wasn't a striker but a hard uncompromising midfielder but with dutch footballing skills - we could do with him today without a shadow of doubt
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wba1993dave on December 30, 2014, 10:27:46 AM
If we were in the Championship, Sherwood would be a great choice but I just feel we don't need a novice right now. We need a proven PL manager Pulis is that. Sherwood will be a top manager but I feel its too risky at this stage of the season.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 10:29:34 AM
Tony Mowbrays barmy army! Anyone?
I'd welcome him back anytime.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 10:29:48 AM
I was reading another forum yesterday and a poster on there had suggested that we had breifly spoken to Jol who was not interested. They suggested that his heart was no longer in it and was part of the reason that Fulham were so bad in his last season there. Obviously there were other issues which added to Fulham being relegated.

If that is the case then we need to stay away and get someone who has a bit of fight in them.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 30, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
I think Peace is willing to budge somewhat, don't think he would have even spoke to Pulis if he wasn't. He will have an idea on what Pulis wanted before any meeting.

A very experienced premier league manager that has never been relegated and the current manager of the year, a club in our position would be mad to not look into that.

He may not be a glamorous name but he will do a decent job. Just saying but if he was a German manager we a similar record and a more exotic name in the German league some of our fans would be running down the streets naked in celebration.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: darbolina on December 30, 2014, 10:31:54 AM
I find it unbelievable people aren't on board with Pulis if it's to be him. He has significant prem experience and was manager of the year last year. Albion do not play stylish football and have only done sporadically in our history. Rather,  we're famed in recent times (last 35 yrs) in having wingers and a pacey, counter attacking game, although in reality we've seen this for 5 seasons in 35years. This is what Pulis produced at a Palace and at times at Stoke. His legacy at Stoke is huge, he was their  Megson (woke up the whole club)  but also established them in the premier league so went way further than Megson could with us. He's the stand out candidate to me. It's always a gamble but he seems the least risky of everyone. With the board's recent judgement of slightly 'unpredictable' candidates, surely the safest option is the best bet now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 10:33:51 AM
Whatever happens, whoever we appoint please do not appoint Colin!

That would just be the icing on the cake wouldn't it?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 30, 2014, 10:35:18 AM
Totally agree than any thing other than winning is luxury at the moment. Let's face it if we had won at QPR and Stoke and were sitting on 23 points mid-table we'd be saying let's see out the season with AI and rethink in the close season. Staying up is priority no.1.

Let's face it if the players held their nerve at QPR and we'd scored the penalty at Hull we'd be 5 points better off and 12th in the league with a two point buffer. As much as Irvine wasn't good enough, as much as we like to pin blame on a stagnant and uninspiring coaching set up of Downing and Keily (who shouldn't even bloody have any influence as goalkeeping coach!) the PLAYERS are also common denominator. I know we talk about the 'clique' but Clarke, Mel and now Irvine, the players have been common denominator.

Yes we bought new players but they haven't been played. Yes there's suspicions some aren't good enough but there's players we've outgrown who aren't putting in performances. Yes they should have been dropped and that is what I blame the coaching staff for (remember when Hodgson came in and made Meite who'd been frozen out look a decent premier league centre back?) but the be all and end all is that the players on the pitch haven't played well. Sole blame on coaching staff makes sense if the players are visibly good enough but until that's the case, the players need to take a large chunk of the blame. Can a new man do it? I don't know.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stever60 on December 30, 2014, 10:35:57 AM
Speak to those who were there in the 50s. We were invited to play against the best clubs in Europe because of our style and its a style that has stayed with us straight throughout to now with the obvious blip that was Megson and beforehand Gould. We have never been a long ball team other than under those managers. In the 80s and 90s the club was on its knees and bought cr*p players. Still played football on the deck. Ossie Ardiles played great football. That season was a joy to watch.
You must have been watching a different team to me then! Long periods over the last 50 years where we didn't have the ability in the team to play attractive football
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 10:38:04 AM
Let's face it if the players held their nerve at QPR and we'd scored the penalty at Hull we'd be 5 points better off and 12th in the league with a two point buffer. As much as Irvine wasn't good enough, as much as we like to pin blame on a stagnant and uninspiring coaching set up of Downing and Keily (who shouldn't even bloody have any influence as goalkeeping coach!) the PLAYERS are also common denominator. I know we talk about the 'clique' but Clarke, Mel and now Irvine, the players have been common denominator.

Yes we bought new players but they haven't been played. Yes there's suspicions some aren't good enough but there's players we've outgrown who aren't putting in performances. Yes they should have been dropped and that is what I blame the coaching staff for (remember when Hodgson came in and made Meite who'd been frozen out look a decent premier league centre back?) but the be all and end all is that the players on the pitch haven't played well. Sole blame on coaching staff makes sense if the players are visibly good enough but until that's the case, the players need to take a large chunk of the blame. Can a new man do it? I don't know.

Which is why we now need a strong character not scared of upsetting some of the regulars.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ronny boy on December 30, 2014, 10:41:42 AM
Pulis seems to be a manager who'll play a system to suit his best starting 11... isn't that what we want?

..and with Hull & Leicester on the likely look out for a new manager in the next few weeks, how would we feel if Pulls went to either of those.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 10:42:23 AM
Just been reading the oatcake.

They really don't like us do they?  :D

Most of them are of the opinion that Pulis would keep us up and probably get a result against them as well.

Although they seem pretty happy that they will be able to come to the hawthorns and shout hoof all game.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stever60 on December 30, 2014, 10:42:45 AM
Which is why we now need a strong character not scared of upsetting some of the regulars.
Including the fans it appears
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 10:46:59 AM
Just been reading the oatcake.

They really don't like us do they?  :D

Most of them are of the opinion that Pulis would keep us up and probably get a result against them as well.

Although they seem pretty happy that they will be able to come to the hawthorns and shout hoof all game.



When the chips are down its time to go read the Oatcake :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggielad82 on December 30, 2014, 10:53:36 AM
West Brom in Sherwood & Pulis talks - BBC Sport - http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30632865
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 10:59:07 AM
Had an idea, given Newcastle and bookies' favourite colacinni,  what's to stop us appointing brunt? ? :)

If we don't announce manager in next 24 hours I'llstart to worry....
Manager is important, but so is bringing players in.

Imagine the conversation with pulis:



"tony we'd like to offer you downing and kylie as coaches..."

we would also suggest we pay you ten thousand pounds a week....

transfer fees?? We do not do transfer fees in january tony?

Berahino? sorry tony we've got to sell him. We have to pay off allan and the other coaches..

transfers? You want full control?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 30, 2014, 11:02:09 AM
I was reading another forum yesterday and a poster on there had suggested that we had breifly spoken to Jol who was not interested. They suggested that his heart was no longer in it and was part of the reason that Fulham were so bad in his last season there. Obviously there were other issues which added to Fulham being relegated.

If that is the case then we need to stay away and get someone who has a bit of fight in them.

If that's true, then absolutely right to avoid him although on paper he looked an excellent fit.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 11:18:21 AM
I think it'll be Sherwood and if I am honest, I would be a little disapointed with that for two reasons.

Firstly Sherwood is a bit of a livewire and potentially could fall out with JP very quickly however I can see how he would fit into our current system.

Secondly that means Pulis will probably go to somewhere like Leicester or Hull and keep them up.

Personally for me Pulis is the one I would want but suspect that won't happen.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 11:19:00 AM
I think this seems like its Pulis job, and if Peace is willing to rip up our model, hes clearly showing faith in Pulis and giving him full control.

Maybe the people who say Peace doesnt care about the club, might stop if he does change the structure to get his man.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
I think it'll be Sherwood and if I am honest, I would be a little disapointed with that for two reasons.

Firstly Sherwood is a bit of a livewire and potentially could fall out with JP very quickly however I can see how he would fit into our current system.

Secondly that means Pulis will probably go to somewhere like Leicester or Hull and keep them up.

Personally for me Pulis is the one I would want but suspect that won't happen.
I think the same , transfers will be the issue with Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Stroller on December 30, 2014, 11:26:15 AM
Had a horrid night's sleep mithering about the new manager/head coach. Couldn't get Ally McCoist out of my head. Very concerned.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
Sherwood forest,

you heard it here, 2700001st
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
I also remember one article saying that Sherwood doesn't believe in defensive midfielders, which I wouldn't be happy with as I feel Mulumbu and Yacob should be playing, which was even part of Irvine's downfall.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2014, 11:31:15 AM
I think Peace would've known he'd have to change things to get Pulis here, look at why he left Palace and any one of us knows he wouldn't just fit in with the current system.

With the above in mind and what ITK people have said it sounds like Pulis had already had informal discussions with Peace so i don't think these kind of issues are being discussed now, surely SURELY it is much further down the line than that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 11:32:42 AM
Pulis as short as 1/3 with Sherwood drifting to 2/1, Money must be going on our Tone
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2014, 11:34:04 AM
I also remember one article saying that Sherwood doesn't believe in defensive midfielders, which I wouldn't be happy with as I feel Mulumbu and Yacob should be playing, which was even part of Irvine's downfall.
Sherwood also played Eriksen out wide a lot too , I for one have had enough of players playing out of position!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 11:36:44 AM
The job is screaming out for Pulis.

But this is WBA, and things are never that simple.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: nogin on December 30, 2014, 11:38:09 AM
We would be foolish to not get Pulis. We have a system in place which needs to be tweaked and he may be the man to do this. This is an interesting piece just as he got released for Stoke http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11701/8734192/tony-pulis-planned-for-future-before-stoke-sacking.
We have the right idea maybe we need a bloke like Pulis to achieve as he seems to appreciate the concept.     
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 11:39:27 AM
sorted by the cup game hopefully, right old banana skin eh
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 11:46:55 AM
Whoever takes the poison chalice, I hope will give us a double spearhead in Berahino and Varela.
Two speedy players who can unlock a lot of defences.
I could see Pulis using this system.
He also favours a solid back four with no "meandering" up field......Their job is defence.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 11:48:29 AM
Whoever takes the poison chalice, I hope will give us a double spearhead in Berahino and Varela.
Two speedy players who can unlock a lot of defences.
I could see Pulis using this system.
He also favours a solid back four with no "meandering" up field......Their job is defence.

The bit in bold, I think thatll mean Wisdom plays more than Gamboa.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:49:33 AM
The bit in bold, I think thatll mean Wisdom plays more than Gamboa.
Nooooooooooooo
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 11:54:39 AM
Tony Pullis at WBA?? Haha that's the funniest thing I've heard for years...no chance.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 11:56:26 AM
Tony Pullis at WBA?? Haha that's the funniest thing I've heard for years...no chance.

Didn't people say the same about Hodgson?

I would say it's unlikely but there is more than 'no chance' that Pulis could end up at the Albion. In fact i'd say there was a good chance however suspect Sherwood is the more likely at this stage.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: timdon on December 30, 2014, 11:59:00 AM
Tony Pullis at WBA?? Haha that's the funniest thing I've heard for years...no chance.

Must say. I think the same thing though talks are apparently taking place. Just can't see how he could possibly work within our system. We would need to sack about 6 people to accommodate him and just can't see JP doing that
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
Tony Pullis at WBA?? Haha that's the funniest thing I've heard for years...no chance.

The fact hes talking to us, knowing the clubs current structure, shows hes interested in the job and wants to hear what Peace has to offer.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wba_jd26 on December 30, 2014, 12:03:28 PM
Don't want pulis at the club. My choice would be Derek McInnes. Has done really well at both st Johnstone and Aberdeen and only struggled at Bristol rovers under really difficult circumstances. He's a favourite with the fans and would immediately have the fans on side
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:04:59 PM
If Peace believes that doing without the services of some of our support coaching staff or all of them to remain in the Premiership he will be ruthless. If it means changing the club structure he will do it.

Have no doubt this is a financial decision he will not shirk  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 12:06:04 PM
Don't want pulis at the club. My choice would be Derek McInnes. Has done really well at both st Johnstone and Aberdeen and only struggled at Bristol rovers under really difficult circumstances. He's a favourite with the fans and would immediately have the fans on side

Not the time for a gamble imo. I think Sherwood and McInnes would both be considered a gamble at this stage.

I have no doubt however that McInnes will be manager one day at the Albion, should he continue to improve.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Don't want pulis at the club. My choice would be Derek McInnes. Has done really well at both st Johnstone and Aberdeen and only struggled at Bristol rovers under really difficult circumstances. He's a favourite with the fans and would immediately have the fans on side

We need a manager who knows how to stay up in the premier league.
Neil Lennon had ridiculous amounts of success in Scotland but I wouldnt want him anywhere near my club.

If McInnes had never played for WBA, his name wouldnt have been mentioned once.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: alex1 on December 30, 2014, 12:08:34 PM
It's got to be Sherwood. I do not want West Bromwich Albion to be viewed as a team playing 'hoofball', which unfortunately is the style of football that Pulis relies on. It is not in line with our reputation and tradition as a footballing team. Of course results are important but you can also get results playing with attacking flair, passing through the middle and proper wingmen. There are enough examples of successful teams that play that way.   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 30, 2014, 12:09:04 PM
I think it's going to be Sherwood. Impressed in the summer, works within the structure but will still bring in his own men which will appease the fans.

I know there's an apparent willingness from Peace to change the structure, but I'm not sure he would be willing to change it as much as Pulis would demand. And of course, Pulis is in position where he doesn't really have to make a compromise as I'm sure that Hull and Leicester will be looking for a new manager soon, and they are clubs where a compromise wouldn't have to be reached regarding transfers.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: frankieb on December 30, 2014, 12:09:19 PM
Can't believe all those who have complained about the boring, dour football under Irvine now want Pullis!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 30, 2014, 12:10:14 PM
If theres going to be a manager in by saturday then it seems to be a straight choice between pulis and sherwood. Would anyone take laudrup?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 30, 2014, 12:11:26 PM
Can't believe all those who have complained about the boring, dour football under Irvine now want Pullis!

At home palace played some good football but away from home it was dyer and the same with stoke
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie96 on December 30, 2014, 12:13:21 PM
As I understand, pulis should be in by Friday. Talks with his representatives went well and pulis himself is expected in anytime soon. Could be announced on day of west ham game . He will get a day in transfers, no one will be signed without his permission and he will be able to put names into the hat. 18 month deal but will be reviewed this summer.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
just waiting the talks break down yellow bar on sky sports....

we'll end up with a shock appointment,if we do not sort it in the next 24 hours...

would prefer pulis due to experience - this year, we need to stay up, don't care about the style, just keep us up to remodel and reinvent for next year.

system needs to change and it will change under pulis.

sherwood concerns me due to his outspoken style  - would make it interesting but i would be concerned...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 12:14:30 PM
From Sporting Life...

12:03
Alan Pardew's arrival at Crystal Palace has yet to be confirmed but the next Newcastle manager market is also moving. The battle at the top of the odds is between Hull boss Steve Bruce and former Tottenham chief Tim Sherwood. Bruce is 4/1 with bwin to arrive at the Magpies and Sherwood is 9/2 with Betfred. Tony Pulis can be backed at 8/1 with BetVictor and Paddy Power.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 12:16:42 PM
As I understand, pulis should be in by Friday. Talks with his representatives went well and pulis himself is expected in anytime soon. Could be announced on day of west ham game . He will get a day in transfers, no one will be signed without his permission and he will be able to put names into the hat. 18 month deal but will be reviewed this summer.

pulis will get a day to make transfers.  knew peace had a crafty streak - give him  a say for one day only...

seriously, i hope you are right. pulis going to Leicester or Hull would keep them up, as someone elseabove pointed out. At the moment, they look both in serious trouble.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
I said yesterday that Bruce was being rumoured for Newcastle. Which will open the door at Hull.

Need to act quickly and I think that is why Irvine went yesterday.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 30, 2014, 12:17:36 PM
Nigel Adkins 40/1. I'll have a bit of that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 12:17:50 PM
Im tempted to put a big chunk of money on Pulis being named manager.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 12:20:30 PM
It has to be Pulis really, last seasons manager of the year.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBARoberts on December 30, 2014, 12:28:08 PM
News on Pulis:

"West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace's current approach sees technical director Terry Burton work with sporting director Richard Garlick to recruit players.

Former Stoke boss Pulis is prepared to work alongside Burton and Garlick, but wants the final say on whether to sign players."

To me that doesn't seem like a huge block for Peace - it still allows the structure to work. It's absolutely got to be Pulis for me, Palace played some decent stuff last season and he absolutely revitalised that team. I don't care how we win right now, Pulis has a knack of getting results from nowhere and that's exactly what we need. The thrill of winning is better than watching the nice football of the Mowbray era but getting relegated. Pulis was manager of the year last season and the man deserves some credit - he'll get us grinding out results over mid table teams.

I think their preference is on Pulis but they just have to move some pieces around to accommodate that - if he walks away then they will call on Sherwood knowing he's already had an interview previously and this time accepting his own staff are coming with him.

Either way this goes I firmly believe we'll be in a far stronger position than we were 24 hours ago.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionsteve on December 30, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
Don't want pulis at the club. My choice would be Derek McInnes. Has done really well at both st Johnstone and Aberdeen and only struggled at Bristol rovers under really difficult circumstances. He's a favourite with the fans and would immediately have the fans on side

Actually he was Manager of Bristol City and their fans wouldn't have him near another football club unless it was Bristol Rovers. Played dire football AND lost. Not a good combination.  As someone else has said, if he wasn't an ex-player, he wouldn't be mentioned.  Great Captain at the time, but certainly not the Proven top-flight Manager we currently need.

A couple of weeks ago Pulis was on Radio 5 Live discussing the role of football managers.  He said that he would have a problem working under someone else whilst taking the blame for everything.  However he also said that he always had worked with someone who was essentially a Technical Director, albeit without that title, but that it had to be someone he trusted implicitly.

I know the club have said they will not change the structure, but last night people close to the club were saying that Kelly, Downing and possible Kiely were likely to go as well. Is it possible that Pulis could come in to the current structure but bring new trusted colleagues in to those roles? It's a bit of a fudge but would allow him to join and Peace's lauded, continental system to remain.

Peace has always said that in business if one Manager is failing you only get rid of him, not the whole management team, which is true. But if the whole management team are failing, for 2 years now, surely they all need swapping out.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 30, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891113/Tony-Pulis-insists-sole-charge-West-Bromwich-Albion.html

Daily Mail believe Pulis has rejected Newcastle.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
Actually he was Manager of Bristol City and their fans wouldn't have him near another football club unless it was Bristol Rovers. Played dire football AND lost. Not a good combination.  As someone else has said, if he wasn't an ex-player, he wouldn't be mentioned.  Great Captain at the time, but certainly not the Proven top-flight Manager we currently need.

A couple of weeks ago Pulis was on Radio 5 Live discussing the role of football managers.  He said that he would have a problem working under someone else whilst taking the blame for everything.  However he also said that he always had worked with someone who was essentially a Technical Director, albeit without that title, but that it had to be someone he trusted implicitly.

I know the club have said they will not change the structure, but last night people close to the club were saying that Kelly, Downing and possible Kiely were likely to go as well. Is it possible that Pulis could come in to the current structure but bring new trusted colleagues in to those roles? It's a bit of a fudge but would allow him to join and Peace's lauded, continental system to remain.

Peace has always said that in business is one Manager is failing you only get rid of him, not the whole management team, which is true. But if the whole management team are failing, for 2 years now, surely they all need swapping out.

Great post.

From the noises coming out of the club, it seems talks are going well. All we need to do is convince Pulis has a say in transfers and can recommend players HE wants, and it looks like its a perfect match.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dexy on December 30, 2014, 12:36:11 PM
If Pulis can get Chamakh playing for Palace then Ideye will be electric! :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
If Pulis can get Chamakh playing for Palace then Ideye will be electric! :D

If he can get Chamakh firing, I expect Anichebe to hit double figures  :P :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on December 30, 2014, 12:43:23 PM
I want Pulis but I am under no illusion that Pulis = safety. It is going to be tough and who knows if we will survive come May. One thing I do know is that I believe we will get more than 0 points in the last 4 games under Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 12:50:28 PM
If he can get Chamakh firing, I expect Anichebe to hit double figures  :P :D

He can't hit double figures from the physio room.  :-X
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 12:54:57 PM
If its Pulis or sherwood, the good news is the changes required are not radical.

Get the back 4 performing consistently which they are capable of, drop the "Wisdom is untouchable thing" and play Gamboa or if he's not good enough (doubt it) get someone in. we'll have to get someone in the summer anyway, so lets get someone established now.

play the midfield in their correct positions & use at least one "proper" DMF (yac / Mulla)

play with width and pace up front.

if it ain't working during a game change it, if we're leading do not go defensive, finish the oppo. Only defend if its in the last 10 mins and we're in front.

Most importantly if anyone plays without commitment or intent, get them off the park, not to the bench but out to the stiffs.

it may sound nieve but its got to be better than what has been happening !

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tylerm on December 30, 2014, 12:56:18 PM
News on Pulis:

"West Brom chairman Jeremy Peace's current approach sees technical director Terry Burton work with sporting director Richard Garlick to recruit players.

Former Stoke boss Pulis is prepared to work alongside Burton and Garlick, but wants the final say on whether to sign players."

To me that doesn't seem like a huge block for Peace - it still allows the structure to work. It's absolutely got to be Pulis for me, Palace played some decent stuff last season and he absolutely revitalised that team. I don't care how we win right now, Pulis has a knack of getting results from nowhere and that's exactly what we need. The thrill of winning is better than watching the nice football of the Mowbray era but getting relegated. Pulis was manager of the year last season and the man deserves some credit - he'll get us grinding out results over mid table teams.

I think their preference is on Pulis but they just have to move some pieces around to accommodate that - if he walks away then they will call on Sherwood knowing he's already had an interview previously and this time accepting his own staff are coming with him.

Either way this goes I firmly believe we'll be in a far stronger position than we were 24 hours ago.

That should be the way it works anyway. I can never understand why a manager should get fired when he hasn't chosen the players
It will be great if Pulis gets the job but I would expect a few of out players to be off soon after as they don't like working hard and tackling
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 01:03:18 PM
a few candidates for the championship methinks.

Only premiership club I can imagine wanting some of "longer service" players would be Leicester, oh and maybe Burnley

Would not be an improvement on what they already have at QPR / Sunderland / Vile / Palarse IMO
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 01:03:41 PM

12:53
Sky Bet and William Hill have both cut Tony Pulis to just 1/6 to take over at West Brom following Alan Irvine's dismissal yesterday.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 01:06:10 PM
thats getting close to suspending betting territory
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 01:13:01 PM
thats getting close to suspending betting territory
the betting went like that last time with Sherwood albionic, wouldn't trust odds on who the next appointment will be, just hope it does reflect what's really going on and its pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 01:14:45 PM
While it is true bookies sometimes get insider knowledge, they also have to respond to how much money is being put on. If lots of money is being put on Pulis, of course his odds will shorten.

What I'm trying to say is that just because Pulis is odds on doesn't necessarily mean anything more than lots of people are betting on him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 01:19:52 PM
according to sky we are in talks with both sherwood and pulis.

i hope this is just due diligence. Pulis stands out for me - will kick backsides and has the experience. Also clever enough when dealing with the press.



wonder which one peace sees as the easier option?

sherwood - cheaper, inexperienced, outspoken, needs the job, hungry. preferred coaching team already employed at QPR... (means Downing can stay??)

pulis, demanding control, experienced, more expensive, more media savvy, but would walk out if not happy, clear track record for a club our size.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
Sherwood would have us playing 4-4-2 with Brunt and Morrison in the middle and Sessegnon out on the left wing :/ And a free gilet for every fan!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2014, 01:28:44 PM
In my opinion, anyone other than Pulis will be a mistake, he is clearly interested, we are a similar club to Stoke, but he will demand control, but does that really matter, as long as a degree of financial restraint is within the deal, our recent transfer policy has been average at best so our structure is not worth arguing about, its a failed policy, get rid, start again.

Pulis has earned the right to be trusted, his credentials are top notch, its a no brainer as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kirk on December 30, 2014, 01:37:59 PM
Stop faffing around and just go and appoint Pullis or are we saying we are going to give the job to an inexperienced man who we turned down in order to get Irvine ?.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 01:41:19 PM
He also favours a solid back four with no "meandering" up field......Their job is defence.


Probably won't be seeing Gamboa any time soon then.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 01:43:06 PM
Stop faffing around and just go and appoint Pullis or are we saying we are going to give the job to an inexperienced man who we turned down in order to get Irvine ?.

Problem is Pulis won't take the job if we keep Burton, and given that Burton is one of the people doing the interviewing then I fail to see how it can work!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 30, 2014, 01:43:48 PM
If its Pulis or sherwood, the good news is the changes required are not radical.

Get the back 4 performing consistently which they are capable of, drop the "Wisdom is untouchable thing" and play Gamboa or if he's not good enough (doubt it) get someone in. we'll have to get someone in the summer anyway, so lets get someone established now.

play the midfield in their correct positions & use at least one "proper" DMF (yac / Mulla)

play with width and pace up front.

if it ain't working during a game change it, if we're leading do not go defensive, finish the oppo. Only defend if its in the last 10 mins and we're in front.

Most importantly if anyone plays without commitment or intent, get them off the park, not to the bench but out to the stiffs.

it may sound nieve but its got to be better than what has been happening !

Agree totally. now is the time to be decisive on and off the field
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: leeiswba on December 30, 2014, 01:44:57 PM
Chap I work with is a stoke fan this is what his text said:

'You might like him for one or two seasons but he'll wear you down. He might do well initially, he'll tighten up the defence and youll get some low scoring wins. But slowly but surely matchday will become a chore. Players will be de-skilled. He'll have his favourites (workhorses like Jon Walters) and those he doesnt trust (usually players with skill).'
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 30, 2014, 01:45:39 PM
As much as this gets said every time it is an absolute necessity that we get behind the man in charge. Don't back Pulis or whoever just because we are begging for safety then moan when we don't get attacking football.

We need to get on board with the direction of the club especially if it involves the complete reshuffling of the clubs structure - and as we have approached Sherwood and Pulis it seems that is on the cards. No point in moaning if what we have asked for doesn't work out. If Downing goes, that's what we asked for. If the backroom setup is shifted, we've asked for that. No more 'Peace doesn't care about the fans', no more 'he's only worried about his money and survival'. IF we change the whole lot we cannot make new demands in 12 months. This is what a lot of fans are asking for and therefore we need to be prepared for what it brings.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2014, 01:49:37 PM
Chap I work with is a stoke fan this is what his text said:

'You might like him for one or two seasons but he'll wear you down. He might do well initially, he'll tighten up the defence and youll get some low scoring wins. But slowly but surely matchday will become a chore. Players will be de-skilled. He'll have his favourites (workhorses like Jon Walters) and those he doesnt trust (usually players with skill).'

He has not had to put up with two years of misery.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
As much as this gets said every time it is an absolute necessity that we get behind the man in charge. Don't back Pulis or whoever just because we are begging for safety then moan when we don't get attacking football.

We need to get on board with the direction of the club especially if it involves the complete reshuffling of the clubs structure - and as we have approached Sherwood and Pulis it seems that is on the cards. No point in moaning if what we have asked for doesn't work out. If Downing goes, that's what we asked for. If the backroom setup is shifted, we've asked for that. No more 'Peace doesn't care about the fans', no more 'he's only worried about his money and survival'. IF we change the whole lot we cannot make new demands in 12 months. This is what a lot of fans are asking for and therefore we need to be prepared for what it brings.

what a superb post.

absolutely spot on. well written p23
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 30, 2014, 01:53:14 PM
I would be suprised if Sherwood was appointed. If he was offered the job last time around and turned it down, what is different now?

If TP is in talks it must mean that JP has already given some assurances on structure/transfer policy etc and hopefully he will be announced before the West Ham game with a watching brief from the stands.

Personally I don't care if we are unattractive to watch (although Palace were good to watch last season). I have become disillusioned over the last 18/24 months with defeat after defeat and would welcome a Manager/Head Coach who may re-install the winning feeling on a more regular basis.

We may also have a chance of finally beating the Clayheads  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan87uk on December 30, 2014, 01:55:08 PM
As I said pretty much on the Irvine sacked thread:

Pulis, i'd be moderately satisfied with because I think we'd be solid enough to get back upto mid table, we'd never go any further than that though and the quality of football would suffer long term.

Sherwood, who frankly as a person, I actually am not really a fan of, but playing devil's advocate he might just be what we need right now to come in and rock the boat with a few of the senior players who think they are undroppable week after week.

Either way, i'm pleased that we are talking with "Managers" and not "Coaches" (so far) because since Dan Ashworth departed, this structure has just not worked for us at all. Time to go back to basics in the Backroom (hopefully that means Downing/Kiely seriously get looked at to be replaced too)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
I’m wondering how long we are going to take to tie this deal up, we are traditionally very slow to conclude negotiations and I’m wondering if we are going to try and accelerate the process based on the fact that Leicester have a tricky game at Anfield on Thursday while Hull entertain Everton.  Both clubs have rich benefactors and both would probably be quick to bow down to Pulis’s demands.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:16:22 PM
I could probably accept Pulis in the short term but he certainly isn't the option for our long term future. He was well supported by the Stoke fan base but towards the back end of his reign he had bored them to tears and with a dwindling fan base Peter Coates was forced to act.

I imagine he'll come in and make us hard to beat, organised defensively but I do worry how he'll take to the likes of Sessegnon and Varela - the two remotely decent forward players in this side. I don't think they will appreciate being shoe-horned into some ultra defensive role.

I spent years deriding his style of football with Stoke - this might be a bit of culture shock to get used to if he is appointed. If he is appointed then I hope he is ready to evolve because I don't think I could stand watching some 6ft warhorses committing cheap cynical fouls all over the pitch whilst defending their penalty box away from home.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
I could probably accept Pulis in the short term but he certainly isn't the option for our long term future. He was well supported by the Stoke fan base but towards the back end of his reign he had bored them to tears and with a dwindling fan base Peter Coates was forced to act.

I imagine he'll come in and make us hard to beat, organised defensively but I do worry how he'll take to the likes of Sessegnon and Varela - the two remotely decent forward players in this side. I don't think they will appreciate being shoe-horned into some ultra defensive role.

I spent years deriding his style of football with Stoke - this might be a bit of culture shock to get used to if he is appointed. If he is appointed then I hope he is ready to evolve because I don't think I could stand watching some 6ft warhorses committing cheap cynical fouls all over the pitch whilst defending their penalty box away from home.

The only game of his Crystal Palace tenure that I can remember is there 3-3 draw with Liverpool - that was an exciting game, and their winger, Bolasie, seemed to be given massive licence to get forward. Hopefully he'd do the same with us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:18:51 PM
I’m wondering how long we are going to take to tie this deal up, we are traditionally very slow to conclude negotiations and I’m wondering if we are going to try and accelerate the process based on the fact that Leicester have a tricky game at Anfield on Thursday while Hull entertain Everton.  Both clubs have rich benefactors and both would probably be quick to bow down to Pulis’s demands.

I cannot see Pulis working with Hulls chairman, he's the tigers bloke, my way or no way,  Alam is it.

Leicester thats a decent call but I think they will give Big Nige a bit longer there is a general acceptance that they got up a season too soon and he's well liked by the majority there.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 02:19:58 PM
The only game of his Crystal Palace tenure that I can remember is there 3-3 draw with Liverpool - that was an exciting game, and their winger, Bolasie, seemed to be given massive licence to get forward. Hopefully he'd do the same with us.

I remember the 3-1 win over us, men against boys.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Red Stripe on December 30, 2014, 02:21:34 PM
Chap I work with is a stoke fan this is what his text said:

'You might like him for one or two seasons but he'll wear you down. He might do well initially, he'll tighten up the defence and youll get some low scoring wins. But slowly but surely matchday will become a chore. Players will be de-skilled. He'll have his favourites (workhorses like Jon Walters) and those he doesnt trust (usually players with skill).'

I would argue that the only season that really applies is his final season at Stoke, and it has since come to light that he had family problems and he's since said that he needed the break that he had when he left Stoke - the proof in the pudding is how he revitalised Palace, it was like someone had stuck 20,000 volts up the clubs backside when he got there.  I never noticed him de-skilling Fuller, the only ones that he does that to are the ones that are not as good as they think they are.

I have no doubt that there'll be some matches that you'll grind out a scruffy win or draw though.

The ones he doesn't trust are usually proved to be spent, have an attitude problem or they're rubbish.  Pennant isn't setting the world alight anywhere is he?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:23:12 PM
The only game of his Crystal Palace tenure that I can remember is there 3-3 draw with Liverpool - that was an exciting game, and their winger, Bolasie, seemed to be given massive licence to get forward. Hopefully he'd do the same with us.

They were 3-0 down at that point though.

I've heard plenty of people mentioning the use of his wingers at Palace which is all well and good but we don't have many of them here..
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 02:24:06 PM
They were 3-0 down at that point though.

I've heard plenty of people mentioning the use of his wingers at Palace which is all well and good but we don't have many of them here..

January's around the corner ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 02:25:15 PM
I heard Alan Stubbs talking on the radio this morning.
What with him being ex Everton I was quite surprised to hear him mention that it's a results based business.
He did not seem at all surprised and even acknowledged the need for change.
Surprise outside candidate perhaps?
JP has a history of thinking 'outside the box'.
 ;).
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 30, 2014, 02:25:25 PM
I would argue that the only season that really applies is his final season at Stoke

Really?  Do you not think his other 6 years at Stoke were pretty miserable in terms of the cynical nature his teams played..
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
They were 3-0 down at that point though.

I've heard plenty of people mentioning the use of his wingers at Palace which is all well and good but we don't have many of them here..

It was only a vague memory but it sounds about right.

The squad would get reshuffled if he came in - I just hope the right players are offloaded.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 02:26:40 PM
January's around the corner ;)

If Tony Pulis can get Jeremy Peace spending money in January then he must really be shitting himself!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 02:27:32 PM
Ahhh!! the Rory Delap years, bliss !!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Nice1Cyrille on December 30, 2014, 02:32:11 PM
I voted for Pulis thinking he will steady results and improve our team. But thinking about it Sherwood would be just as good. He won't hesitate to make changes and move the regulars to the bench. I think I'm OK with either of them in charge.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 30, 2014, 02:35:43 PM
Pulis has never been relegated and would certainly ruffle some feathers. Just what we need right now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionsteve on December 30, 2014, 02:41:12 PM
I hated the Stoke style under Pulis, but it got an unfancied club out of the Championship and made them Mid-Table Premiership whilst our "attractive, attacking football" got us up and then sent us down year on year.  I would argue that we have not played attractive and attacking football in any of our years in the Premiership that hasn't resulted in relegation with the possible exception of Pepe Mel who didnt have the players to suit his style.  It could be argued that the current squad would have suited Mel very well.

Uncle Roy, Clarke and Irvine have tried to play counter-attacking football which Pulis employed to great success at Palace last year, Bolasie and Puncheon really stepping up. If he can get the same sort of response from Varela, Sessignon, Blanco and Gamboa, whilst tightening up the defence, I would be very happy.

I agree with those people saying that the Stoke City Pulis would be anathema to West Bromwich Albion but the Crystal Palace Pulis would be a damn sight better than what we have been watching recently and I also agree, as an older fan, with those saying our history as a ball caressing, passing team is sometimes overstated.  Cyrille had great control but he was a battering ram as well!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: charliemike on December 30, 2014, 02:48:59 PM
You can only play great football with great players . When we had laurie and bomber we were playing against the best in the uk . Now we are playing the best in the world . If we set out to play gung o with this squad we will get mullered every week . Morale of the story is we need another clear out .lets start with our poor midfield .
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: brettsf on December 30, 2014, 02:49:32 PM
As a very old Baggie, I have fond memories of when we were pretty direct ourselves, with Derek Kevan and Jeff Astle terrorising defenders, and benefiting from early deliveries.
Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but I can't remember worrying about the style of our play when the goals were going in, and we were winning matches.
I don't think we should get too hung up on this 'Pulis style' issue. If we start winning regularly, I for one will thoroughly enjoy it, and not worry too much about how we achieved it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 02:50:33 PM
On a stat I saw earlier (albeit on twitter  :o ) we are currently 4th in the table for long balls this season so hardly the fluent football that is craved.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 02:52:11 PM
I just hope whoever comes in gets the best out of the squad.
Shows how desperate we are as a cub that some of our fans are craving Tony Pulis, a man who only two years ago was hated with a passion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionsteve on December 30, 2014, 02:55:10 PM
As a very old Baggie, I have fond memories of when we were pretty direct ourselves, with Derek Kevan and Jeff Astle terrorising defenders, and benefiting from early deliveries.
Perhaps I'm a bit naive, but I can't remember worrying about the style of our play when the goals were going in, and we were winning matches.
I don't think we should get too hung up on this 'Pulis style' issue. If we start winning regularly, I for one will thoroughly enjoy it, and not worry too much about how we achieved it.

Spot on. The king didn't get too many that were the result of twinkling runs beating 4 players and back heeling it into the far corner but he will always be the King!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 03:01:07 PM
We've been a long ball team since Mowbray left. It's not even up for debate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 03:03:15 PM
Pulis knows how to manage teams fighting for survival whereas Sherwood had a brief stint at Spurs with a squad better than most in the division. 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 03:04:22 PM
We've been a long ball team since Mowbray left. It's not even up for debate.

yes it is, RDM???
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: graka on December 30, 2014, 03:04:40 PM
a lot is being made of pullis wanting control of transfers. surely the manager/head coach should have or you end up with wages and transfer fees wasted on players the manager doesn't rate ie gamboa,blanco,samaras,davidson etc. there is nothing wrong with having someone controlling this like burton when the manager says I want an x type of player who can then run the rule over players within our budget and present the manager with a list for him to then have the final say on. or does that make too much sense!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 03:06:08 PM
a lot is being made of pullis wanting control of transfers. surely the manager/head coach should have or you end up with wages and transfer fees wasted on players the manager doesn't rate ie gamboa,blanco,samaras,davidson etc. there is nothing wrong with having someone controlling this like burton when the manager says I want an x type of player who can then run the rule over players within our budget and present the manager with a list for him to then have the final say on. or does that make too much sense!!

That's literally how the system works.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 03:06:29 PM
a lot is being made of pullis wanting control of transfers. surely the manager/head coach should have or you end up with wages and transfer fees wasted on players the manager doesn't rate ie gamboa,blanco,samaras,davidson etc. there is nothing wrong with having someone controlling this like burton when the manager says I want an x type of player who can then run the rule over players within our budget and present the manager with a list for him to then have the final say on. or does that make too much sense!!

Ego's mate, some bloody big ego's these football people. I think its all about "I make the decisions, not you"
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
We havent been a fluent attacking football team in years.

Under patches we may have been for Hodgson and Clarke, but both teams were set up to defend and hit teams on the break.

If Pulis can take us back to that and we clock up some points I will be more than happy.

Id rather be in the car on the way home knowing we picked up 3 points by battling our arses off, than to be on the way home having lost but 'played good football'.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 03:06:54 PM
Sky have confirmed that Rob Kelly ruled himself out of the running for the job.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 03:08:10 PM
Sky have confirmed that Rob Kelly ruled himself out of the running for the job.

I'm stuck for words. What do you say to that?  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 03:08:30 PM
Sky have confirmed that Rob Kelly ruled himself out of the running for the job.

Didn't even realise he was in the running!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cornishbaggie on December 30, 2014, 03:09:35 PM
Michael Laudrup for me every time. Not sure why he is not being mentioned.

I'd actually prefer Jol before Townsend and Pulis.

Then Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 03:09:50 PM
I'm stuck for words. What do you say to that?  ;D

I'm gobsmacked they even asked him the question  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 03:10:02 PM
That's literally how the system works.

I've also seen it said by lepkowski it was often a choice of " you can have x or no one" so to say they have the final say is misleading really. They have extremely limited choice based. We put far too much weight on the opinions of our European scouts who have consistently failed.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 03:10:25 PM
Michael Laudrup for me every time. Not sure why he is not being mentioned.

I'd actually prefer Jol before Townsend and Pulis.

Then Pulis.

Same but apparently he's out in the Middle East earning ridiculous money and he became aloof at Swansea similar to what RDM did when he was with us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 03:10:49 PM
Sky have confirmed that Rob Kelly ruled himself out of the running for the job.

I'd have been more shocked had he applied for it  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: swad35 on December 30, 2014, 03:11:38 PM
Sky have confirmed that Rob Kelly ruled himself out of the running for the job.

I'm just confirming that I'm ruling myself out of the job aswell..............
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 03:11:44 PM
Michael Laudrup for me every time. Not sure why he is not being mentioned.

I'd actually prefer Jol before Townsend and Pulis.

Then Pulis.

I think short term we need a strong character ala Megson to sort a few issues out then we can hopefully all being well look to someone to come in like a Laudrup/ McLaren type to take it on.

In an ideal world obviously but this ain't ideal  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 30, 2014, 03:13:47 PM
Michael Laudrup for me every time. Not sure why he is not being mentioned.

I'd actually prefer Jol before Townsend and Pulis.

Then Pulis.

Laudrup thought he was bigger than some of the clubs he was linked with in the summer, can see him thinking hes 'too good' to manage us.
Jol - as stated above, his hearts not in the game at the moment, wouldnt be worth trying.
Townsend? Not sure who your on about.

For me its Pulis all the time, premier league experience, knows how to keep a team in the premier league, never relegated, takes no rubbish, current premier league manager of the year, I think some of our fans turning their nose up at Pulis need to take a reality check, we are a bottom half team, our priority now is to stay in this league. I cant think of a better manager whos available to do that other than Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 03:14:18 PM
Michael Laudrup for me every time. Not sure why he is not being mentioned.

I'd actually prefer Jol before Townsend and Pulis.

Then Pulis.

Hope that's not Andy Townsend, can you imagine him coming to Albion with his tactics truck.  :o
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 03:16:36 PM
Hope that's not Andy Townsend, can you imagine him coming to Albion with his tactics truck.  :o

He'd call in sick every other day.  :o


I just cannot see past Pulis. However, I suspect something will happen which means we will settle for Chris Hughton and he would have been our number one choice all along.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 03:18:09 PM
I'm gobsmacked they even asked him the question  :D

Think I should throw my hat in the ring :D

(http://i.imgur.com/X7ms3nx.png)

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionsteve on December 30, 2014, 03:19:11 PM
Hope that's not Andy Townsend, can you imagine him coming to Albion with his tactics truck.  :o

We'd definitely get "in and around them" more! And of course,he's an ex-star of the team although he'd probably move more as Manager than he did when he "played" for us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LongBridge Baggie1 on December 30, 2014, 03:24:50 PM
The way things are going could the mods pin this thread please ;D Seriously I've always liked Jol but who knows. Whoever it is needs to be given their own staff enough with Downing & Kiely the club is in a rut and needs to kickstart like the early 00's
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 03:26:16 PM
Think I should throw my hat in the ring :D

(http://i.imgur.com/X7ms3nx.png)

Send that to Peace or Burton, you're in with a shot  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 03:29:08 PM
Send that to Peace or Burton, you're in with a shot  :D

I'd like to put on record that I will play Yacob and Mulumbu, I will work with the club's current structure and will promote quick passing football. I would also try to bring in another wide man and poacher-type striker.

I'm basically a shoe-in, right? :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies54 on December 30, 2014, 03:30:57 PM
Rather than all the has beens (with a couple of exceptions) being bandied about at the moment I wouldn't mind giving Mike Phelan a go at the moment. 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionsteve on December 30, 2014, 03:32:04 PM
I'd like to put on record that I will play Yacob and Mulumbu, I will work with the club's current structure and will promote quick passing football. I would also try to bring in another wide man and poacher-type striker.

I'm basically a shoe-in, right? :D

No, lost it at the end when you said you wanted to bring someone in!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: alwaysbilly on December 30, 2014, 03:33:37 PM
I'd like to put on record that I will play Yacob and Mulumbu, I will work with the club's current structure and will promote quick passing football. I would also try to bring in another wide man and poacher-type striker.

I'm basically a shoe-in, right? :D
you want to try to sign players?  oh, err, we'll get back to you.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cornishbaggie on December 30, 2014, 03:34:08 PM
Laudrup thought he was bigger than some of the clubs he was linked with in the summer, can see him thinking hes 'too good' to manage us.
Jol - as stated above, his hearts not in the game at the moment, wouldnt be worth trying.
Townsend? Not sure who your on about.

For me its Pulis all the time, premier league experience, knows how to keep a team in the premier league, never relegated, takes no rubbish, current premier league manager of the year, I think some of our fans turning their nose up at Pulis need to take a reality check, we are a bottom half team, our priority now is to stay in this league. I cant think of a better manager whos available to do that other than Pulis.

doh! of course i meant sherwood not townsend.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 03:34:10 PM
Rather than all the has beens (with a couple of exceptions) being bandied about at the moment I wouldn't mind giving Mike Phelan a go at the moment.
I'd rather have Irvine back.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 03:35:01 PM
I'd like to put on record that I will play Yacob and Mulumbu, I will work with the club's current structure and will promote quick passing football. I would also try to bring in another wide man and poacher-type striker.

I'm basically a shoe-in, right? :D

No above all you need to be well liked!  :P
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
you want to try to sign players?  oh, err, we'll get back to you.


Sorry, I would work with Terry Burton and the rest of the recruitment team to advise that those areas need to be strengthened :P
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 03:38:36 PM
No above all you need to be well liked!  :P

will you constantly tell people how hard you work ??

if you answer yes,  you didn't get the gig, get back to work
if you answer no,    you ddn't get the gig you don't work hard enough, you lazy fecka
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 30, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
I'd like to put on record that I will play Yacob and Mulumbu, I will work with the club's current structure and will promote quick passing football. I would also try to bring in another wide man and poacher-type striker.

I'm basically a shoe-in, right? :D

Are you currently employed? If yes, forget it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 30, 2014, 03:42:23 PM
Sorry, I would work with Terry Burton and the rest of the recruitment team to advise that those areas need to be strengthened :P


Dear MarkW,

Thank you for the interest you have shown in this vacancy. Your CV is under consideration and we are interviewing candidates today.

If you don't hear from us in the next 3 months, then please consider that you have not been successful on this occasion.

Thank you again for your interest.

JP  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 04:01:16 PM
Think I should throw my hat in the ring :D

(http://i.imgur.com/X7ms3nx.png)
Might I enquire who the manager of Stoke is in that game?! Never mind you, MarkW, get on the blower to the manager of Portsmouth, Mr Peace!  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2014, 04:07:45 PM
Talking about us in detail on Talksport now
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Lloydy on December 30, 2014, 04:11:24 PM
Not been listening to Talksport but my mate texted me saying Sherwood has been ruled out?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 30, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Not been listening to Talksport but my mate texted me saying Sherwood has been ruled out?

I just put it on but my Dad text me saying the same. Although the way they're talking now is as if they're both still in the running.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 04:13:44 PM
Chap on Talksport just summed it up perfectly: "Albion are club lacking and searching for an identity".

Spot on really because many of our recent appointments have made no sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 30, 2014, 04:16:31 PM
Might I enquire who the manager of Stoke is in that game?! Never mind you, MarkW, get on the blower to the manager of Portsmouth, Mr Peace!  ;D

Totally unrealistic... Villa are 7th  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 30, 2014, 04:18:59 PM
Chap on Talksport just summed it up perfectly: "Albion are club lacking and searching for an identity".

Spot on really because many of our recent appointments have made no sense whatsoever.


What does that mean "lacking & searching for an identity"
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 04:19:31 PM
Talk Sport welcoming your calls now
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 04:24:50 PM
What does that mean "lacking & searching for an identity"

It refers to the style of play.

Take Swansea for example - they have a way of playing and throughout their managerial appointments they will stick to those beliefs, hiring managers that fit in with their way of playing. Our appointments since Mowbray have made very little sense because they've swayed between organisation & conserative to an open pressing, attacking game.

We need to find a way of playing - stick to it, get the players to suit playing that way and make sure our managerial appointments follow that way of playing and not the scattergun approach that we seem to have taken.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 04:25:48 PM
Come on then folks what are the latest odds. Can't get onto any betting sites here.

Have we got any movement on Colin yet?  :o
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 30, 2014, 04:27:34 PM
It refers to the style of play.

Take Swansea for example - they have a way of playing and throughout their managerial appointments they will stick to those beliefs, hiring managers that fit in with their way of playing. Our appointments since Mowbray have made very little sense because they've swayed between organisation & conserative to an open pressing, attacking game.

We need to find a way of playing - stick to it, get the players to suit playing that way and make sure our managerial appointments follow that way of playing and not the scattergun approach that we seem to have taken.

Isn't that what Terry Burton's supposed to do?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 04:30:39 PM
Isn't that what Terry Burton's supposed to do?

Wouldn't really pencil the blame on Terry Burton.

The likes of Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke & Mel were all here before him. There are way too many polar opposites in that list.

From now on though since the appointment of Irvine (I'm not sure that was predominantly Peace) we have to adopt a style of playing and it seems we'll be going for the organised, conservative approach of Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
It refers to the style of play.

Take Swansea for example - they have a way of playing and throughout their managerial appointments they will stick to those beliefs, hiring managers that fit in with their way of playing. Our appointments since Mowbray have made very little sense because they've swayed between organisation & conservative to an open pressing, attacking game.

We need to find a way of playing - stick to it, get the players to suit playing that way and make sure our managerial appointments follow that way of playing and not the scattergun approach that we seem to have taken.
Good post.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 04:33:41 PM
Wouldn't really pencil the blame on Terry Burton.

The likes of Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke & Mel were all here before him. There are way too many polar opposites in that list.

From now on though since the appointment of Irvine (I'm not sure that was predominantly Burton) we have to adopt a style of playing and it seems we'll be going for the organised, conservative approach of Pulis.

I think you're right.

However, I think first and formost we need to get ourselves safe and then look at that in the summer.

We had the perfect opportunity under Mel or even someone else in the summer, however for whatever reason the club decided to go with Irvine.

It's important now that we get safe and then look to build on that in the summer otherwise we'll be here again this time next year.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 30, 2014, 04:34:54 PM
Come on then folks what are the latest odds. Can't get onto any betting sites here.

Have we got any movement on Colin yet?  :o

Tony Pulis 1/2
Tim Sherwood 6/4
Victor Pereira 16/1
Chris Hughton 20/1

from BetFair
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dudleylad on December 30, 2014, 04:51:45 PM
Chap on Talksport just summed it up perfectly: "Albion are club lacking and searching for an identity".

Spot on really because many of our recent appointments have made no sense whatsoever.

Its the Hodgson effect happened to a certain extent at Fulham.

The chairman gets lucky with a appointment like Hodgson and once they leave they are searching for which direction to go in as Roy covers so many bases.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 30, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
Come on then folks what are the latest odds. Can't get onto any betting sites here.

Have we got any movement on Colin yet?  :o

 (https://m.oddschecker.com/t/#******.com/t/#football-football-specials-west-brom-next-permanent-manager[/url)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Hong Kong Phooey on December 30, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
Virtually anyone would be an improvement on Alan Irvine!

I was not calling for his head, as we have indeed had far worse "head coaches/managers" in the past and I am also at the age where I would rather not publicly abuse a West Bromwich Albion employee, as I have witnessed from other "supporters" in recent times!

Pulis or Sherwood would be just what we need at the moment in time - both have the anatomy to call a spade a spade and ruffle a few feathers if need be - PULIS would be my preferred choice at this point.

**** the identity or style of play - PL safety is paramount - something of which JP (for all is detractors) is actually aware!

COYB  :-*
   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 30, 2014, 05:00:36 PM
I would be surprised if it is a 2 horse race as we normally pull a name out the hat. I would think Chris Hughton and Dave Jones will be in the frame.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 30, 2014, 05:04:49 PM
Wouldn't really pencil the blame on Terry Burton.

The likes of Mowbray, Di Matteo, Hodgson, Clarke & Mel were all here before him. There are way too many polar opposites in that list.

From now on though since the appointment of Irvine (I'm not sure that was predominantly Peace) we have to adopt a style of playing and it seems we'll be going for the organised, conservative approach of Pulis.

I'm not citing Terry Burton per ce Liam, perhaps I should have said DoF.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: walter baggie on December 30, 2014, 05:09:04 PM
will probably end up with atkins or mcdermott
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 05:11:56 PM
I'm not citing Terry Burton per ce Liam, perhaps I should have said DoF.

I'm with you - and yes - the vision should come from those in that position.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 30, 2014, 05:13:05 PM
Can I offer a valuable piece of advice to anyone thinking of having a bet on the next West Brom Manager/Head Coach - DON'T! As I have found to my cost in the past the bookies' favourite never gets the job.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 05:16:39 PM
Dave Jones  :P :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 05:19:29 PM
Chris Hughton who would have taken Norwich down had he not been sacked before he got the opportunity?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 30, 2014, 05:20:51 PM
Would like Pulis.

However I'd be very surprised if it didn't end up being Chris H. Cheaper option, some Prem experience, has worked under a DoF before at Newcastle.

Would be another poor appointment though imo.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: seteefeet on December 30, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
I would be surprised if it is a 2 horse race as we normally pull a name out the hat. I would think Chris Hughton and Dave Jones will be in the frame.
Peace would not be naiive enough to follow Irvine with Jones surely  :o
Has to be someone the fans can get behind after the horrible last 5 months.I have not known an atmosphere like it either in the ground or out, since Gould.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 05:50:29 PM
I'd like Pulis like I'd like cataracts.  History is clearly important to some of our support, check the anything Stoke thread.  ;) (Short memories or hypocrisy?)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2014, 05:58:12 PM
I'd like Pulis like I'd like cataracts.  History is clearly important to some of our support, check the anything Stoke thread.  ;) (Short memories or hypocrisy?)

I have a very short memory, but not short enough to forget the habitual defeats under Irvine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 30, 2014, 06:05:32 PM
I'd like Pulis like I'd like cataracts.  History is clearly important to some of our support, check the anything Stoke thread.  ;) (Short memories or hypocrisy?)

Stop the press: I agree with you pal!

Pulis' brand of "football" is abhorrent to me. In the thread you speak of, I stated that I'd rather be relegated than resort to the tactics that Pulis' Stoke team employed on a regular basis. Just imagine his first training session...

"Hi lads, I'm Tony. Whose got the longest throw then?"
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 30, 2014, 06:09:00 PM
I'd like Tony Pulis to get the job! tbf there is not a lot of decent alternatives available!
I remember watching some dross before Megson. When he came in I remember a few games where the team got a standing ovation after a somewhat fortuitous 1-0 win, where the players went off covered in mud after actually putting in a workmanlike performance.
I think Pulis similarly is exactly what we need to sort out some of these namby pambys & get us back on the right road
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 06:09:41 PM
I have a very short memory, but not short enough to forget the habitual defeats under Irvine.
It would appear that you have forgotten the habitual defeats under Mel and Clarke too. The problem stems back further than Irvine and will continue under the new coach/manager until we bring in someone to score more goals than we concede. For me, possibly the only thing worse than bringing in Tony Pulis would be bringing in Tony Pulis and appointing Lee Hendre as his deputy.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 06:13:21 PM
I'd like Pulis like I'd like cataracts.  History is clearly important to some of our support, check the anything Stoke thread.  ;) (Short memories or hypocrisy?)

Not a fan of Pulis but he is the strong character this club needs at the moment. Yes I do remember the defeats to Stoke and the poor football they played. We're at a stage where we have to forget pretty football and get some effective football then try and start again.

Why does it have to be hypocrisy ? things change, times changes.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: smethwickw on December 30, 2014, 06:14:04 PM
It would appear that you have forgotten the habitual defeats under Mel and Clarke too. The problem stems back further than Irvine and will continue under the new coach/manager until we bring in someone to score more goals than we concede. For me, possibly the only thing worse than bringing in Tony Pulis would be bringing in Tony Pulis and appointing Lee Hendre as his deputy.

Crystal Palace scored 33 goals last season yet finished 11th. Only 1 more goal than Cardiff who finished bottom. Pulis would strengthen us defensively. I agree we could do with another decent striker but the right manager should keep the current squad up easily. Things can't get any worse.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 30, 2014, 06:20:43 PM
Chris Hughton who would have taken Norwich down had he not been sacked before he got the opportunity?
I don't want Hughton but I am suggesting they have probably got a list of out of work managers rather than just Pulis and Sherwood. A quick appointment is expected which points to an out of work manager based in this country.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: mb1 on December 30, 2014, 06:21:14 PM
For me, the good ship Albion has been listing since Clarke's 8th place finish, and perhaps Christmas when results tailed off.

Today we start from a higher perch and finances are in good shape, but the parallels from when Gary took over from Little are so obvious that they stare you in face. Pulis (like Gary) will breathe new life and passion, shake people up and put his stamp on proceedings.

I hope we get this concluded.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 06:21:48 PM
It would appear that you have forgotten the habitual defeats under Mel and Clarke too. The problem stems back further than Irvine and will continue under the new coach/manager until we bring in someone to score more goals than we concede. For me, possibly the only thing worse than bringing in Tony Pulis would be bringing in Tony Pulis and appointing Lee Hendre as his deputy.

Yes but you haven't been banging on about Mel or Clarke have you only Irvine....

Pulls would break the clique, bring a more direct approach and going on history keep us in the Prem.

Perhaps you did have cataracts and thats why you couldn't see the obvious faults with Irvine
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 06:21:58 PM
We would probably, but not certainly win more points under Pulis. He built his stoke team and his palace team was a better fit for his tactics than we are. The idea he'd definitely keep us up is questionable. Without backing in January to get his specific types of player, we would struggle under him. We lack genuine wingers aside from varela which are crucial to his game plan, our midfield lacks physicality, none of our strikers suit his John Walters style favourite, our team in general lacks the overall height and strength associated with his teams.

There are plenty of peoples complaints about irvine that would be true about Pulis. Full backs like wisdom would certainly be preferredover Gamboa, indeed he often uses 4 centre backs in defence. Someone weak and small like blanco would not be used. There would still be a preference for British players. Workhorses would still be favoured over flair.

Pulis probably offers the best chance of staying up of any manager available to us, that's a perfectly legitimate reason to want him. But there's an awful lot of denial and head burying over what survival would mean. Those who complained that Irvine's football wasnt worth it even if we stayed up then say they want pulis are deluding themselves and will no doubt be complaining again inside 6 months. His palace side like Irvine sides still relied on set pieces and struggled when a goal behind.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
Not a fan of Pulis but he is the strong character this club needs at the moment. Yes I do remember the defeats to Stoke and the poor football they played. We're at a stage where we have to forget pretty football and get some effective football then try and start again.

Why does it have to be hypocrisy ? things change, times changes.

Irvine was criticised for "negative football" before anybody kicked a ball at the Albion, is that not hypocritical?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 06:24:13 PM
We would probably, but not certainly win more points under Pulis. He built his stoke team and his palace team was a better fit for his tactics than we are. The idea he'd definitely keep us up is questionable. Without backing in January to get his specific types of player, we would struggle under him. We lack genuine wingers aside from varela which are crucial to his game plan, our midfield lacks physicality, none of our strikers suit his John Walters style favourite, our team in general lacks the overall height and strength associated with his teams.

There are plenty of peoples complaints about irvine that would be true about Pulis. Full backs like wisdom would certainly be preferredover Gamboa, indeed he often uses 4 centre backs in defence. Someone weak and small like blanco would not be used. There would still be a preference for British players. Workhorses would still be favoured over flair.

Pulis probably offers the best chance of staying up of any manager available to us, that's a perfectly legitimate reason to want him. But there's an awful lot of denial and head burying over what survival would mean. Those who complained that Irvine's football wasnt worth it even if we stayed up then say they want pulis are deluding themselves and will no doubt be complaining again inside 6 months. His palace side like Irvine sides still relied on set pieces and struggled when a goal behind.

Agree with all of this.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 06:25:06 PM
Negative football is passing it backwards or sideways or not attacking.

Setting up a team with the sole idea of a draw is negative.

Pulis will bring a more direct approach yes but that for me is a good thing after what we have witnessed this last 7 months.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 06:25:26 PM
Irvine was criticised for "negative football" before anybody kicked a ball at the Albion, is that not hypocritical?

Come on now, we are not allowed to mention Irvine, that wicked evil man who destroyed our football club
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 06:26:34 PM
Irvine was criticised for "negative football" before anybody kicked a ball at the Albion, is that not hypocritical?

Maybe, maybe not. We need something different at this stage, strong character needed to sort out issues. Is Pulis the right man ? no idea but he has something which others have lacked - Premier League experience as a number 1

Do I want Pulis personally ? not sure.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 06:27:06 PM
Come on now, we are not allowed to mention Irvine, that wicked evil man who destroyed our football club

Aidan, for someone who complained about comments earlier today some of yours have been very petty.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 06:28:48 PM
We would probably, but not certainly win more points under Pulis. He built his stoke team and his palace team was a better fit for his tactics than we are. The idea he'd definitely keep us up is questionable. Without backing in January to get his specific types of player, we would struggle under him. We lack genuine wingers aside from varela which are crucial to his game plan, our midfield lacks physicality, none of our strikers suit his John Walters style favourite, our team in general lacks the overall height and strength associated with his teams.

There are plenty of peoples complaints about irvine that would be true about Pulis. Full backs like wisdom would certainly be preferredover Gamboa, indeed he often uses 4 centre backs in defence. Someone weak and small like blanco would not be used. There would still be a preference for British players. Workhorses would still be favoured over flair.

Pulis probably offers the best chance of staying up of any manager available to us, that's a perfectly legitimate reason to want him. But there's an awful lot of denial and head burying over what survival would mean. Those who complained that Irvine's football wasnt worth it even if we stayed up then say they want pulis are deluding themselves and will no doubt be complaining again inside 6 months. His palace side like Irvine sides still relied on set pieces and struggled when a goal behind.

Did his Stoke side?

are we going to encapsulate a managers entire career on 1 club in a 6 month period??

Palace played some decent stuff last season, fought for the cause and thats what I'm expecting from Albion if and when he joins.

Pulis is by far the best candidate for the job with the situation we are in and with the rumours of player cliques running the show I can't wait to see what he may do with them.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 30, 2014, 06:31:19 PM
We all now whats going to happen, Sherwood and Pulis will turn us down and we will end up with Chris Hughton or Dave Jones.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 06:34:39 PM
Yes but you haven't been banging on about Mel or Clarke have you only Irvine....

Pulls would break the clique, bring a more direct approach and going on history keep us in the Prem.

Perhaps you did have cataracts and thats why you couldn't see the obvious faults with Irvine
Guess what, when Clarke and Mel were managers I "banged on" about them.

I thought the clique was made up of Reid, Olsson, Brunt and Morrison (or what would be called senior professionals in any other club)  Who do you suggest are in "the clique" now? I was also not blind to Irvine's faults but I also recognised he was not the root cause of the problems that we have at the club. If you think we will now be challenging for Europe because we have sacked Irvine, I admire your optimism.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 06:36:20 PM
didn't pulis have matty etherington in midfield? hardly schwarzenegger!

mulla and Yacob would provide the steel in m-field
back 4 Dawson / McCauley / Lescott / Poc, yes dawson at RB pulis could organise this
would liberate Gamboa for an offensive role

just thinking aloud
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 06:37:10 PM
Did his Stoke side?

are we going to encapsulate a managers entire career on 1 club in a 6 month period??

Palace played some decent stuff last season, fought for the cause and thats what I'm expecting from Albion if and when he joins.

Pulis is by far the best candidate for the job with the situation we are in and with the rumours of player cliques running the show I can't wait to see what he may do with them.

Yeah they did...

His away record at stoke was also awful and he often played for 0-0s.

He's a cleverer man than his critics will say but to ignore that his style is inherently negative a lot of the time is just self delusion. He won't score any more, perhaps even less than we did under irvine and yes just as if not more happy to play for draws. Its fine to want him but lets not rewrite history and pretend he's a positive manager.

Anyone who saw the palace win over us in the cup this year knows what to expect.Got a lucky goal then sat back hoofing it back to us, asking us to break them down. That's a Pulis side. With the right players he's a less evolved allardyce and will do Ok. If we have the right players is a very different matter however.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stokelad84 on December 30, 2014, 06:38:19 PM
didn't pulis have matty etherington in midfield? hardly schwarzenegger!

mulla and Yacob would provide the steel in m-field
back 4 Dawson / McCauley / Lescott / Poc, yes dawson at RB pulis could organise this
would liberate Gamboa for an offensive role

just thinking aloud

In what was considered his best season, he had a midfield of:

Pennant - Delap - Whelan - Etherington
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 06:38:48 PM
I want Pulis

I think Peace can make it work between him, Burton etc and a manager like Pulis.

I think Peace realises before he interviewed Pulis or Sherwood what kind of structure they would be prepared to work with

If Pulis does become manager it will show that Peace has woken up to the situation we are in and what it will take to stay in the Premiership

I am very optimistic that Peace this time will make the right decision this time and employ someone like Pulis and all that entails.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 06:39:49 PM
Negative football is passing it backwards or sideways or not attacking.

Setting up a team with the sole idea of a draw is negative.

Pulis will bring a more direct approach yes but that for me is a good thing after what we have witnessed this last 7 months.
Negative football is stopping the game from being played.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stokelad84 on December 30, 2014, 06:40:22 PM
Good evening Baggies, as a Stoke fan you may say I'm biased... But Tony Pulis would honestly be your best option for new manager.

Forget about the "hoofball" and "anti football" argument. Tony Pulis was hired by Stoke to do a job and he did that job brilliantly. He built a strong direct team which helped to build the club from a bang average Championship club into a mid table Premier League club. Some Stoke fans would have preferred a better style yes, but at the end of the day we wouldn't be as strong and stable as we are now if it wasn't for Pulis.

Fast forward to the Palace appointment. Pulis showed he was not a one trick pony. He played a dynamic counter attacking system which played to the strengths of the Palace squad. Ironically, this is the system his replacement Mark Hughes has implemented at Stoke!

West Brom have a better squad than Palace had when he took over. Lescott and Olsson will benefit from his diligent defensive drills. Mulumbu would probably be the man to sit deep and protect the back 4. (Similar to Jedinak at Palace or Delap in his Stoke days). The clean sheets will come which will take pressure off Foster. You then have a lot of pace to hit teams on the break. Pulis would get you mid table with his eyes closed.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 30, 2014, 06:42:10 PM
Pulis took over on 23rd nov, by when palace had a sum total of 6 goals scored of which 3 were in 1 game

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 30, 2014, 06:44:56 PM
Odds drifting slightly now for Pulis.

Also a few rumours on Twitter that talks have stalled with him.

Still a few turns left in this I feel.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: geoff on December 30, 2014, 06:48:21 PM
Good evening Baggies, as a Stoke fan you may say I'm biased... But Tony Pulis would honestly be your best option for new manager.

Forget about the "hoofball" and "anti football" argument. Tony Pulis was hired by Stoke to do a job and he did that job brilliantly. He built a strong direct team which helped to build the club from a bang average Championship club into a mid table Premier League club. Some Stoke fans would have preferred a better style yes, but at the end of the day we wouldn't be as strong and stable as we are now if it wasn't for Pulis.

Fast forward to the Palace appointment. Pulis showed he was not a one trick pony. He played a dynamic counter attacking system which played to the strengths of the Palace squad. Ironically, this is the system his replacement Mark Hughes has implemented at Stoke!

West Brom have a better squad than Palace had when he took over. Lescott and Olsson will benefit from his diligent defensive drills. Mulumbu would probably be the man to sit deep and protect the back 4. (Similar to Jedinak at Palace or Delap in his Stoke days). The clean sheets will come which will take pressure off Foster. You then have a lot of pace to hit teams on the break. Pulis would get you mid table with his eyes closed.


Cheers Stokelad84
 i think thats what most of us are hoping to see happen if TP signs for us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 30, 2014, 06:48:32 PM
We all now whats going to happen, Sherwood and Pulis will turn us down and we will end up with Chris Hughton or Dave Jones.


As positive as I want to be I know where you are coming from with that. Although if I remember right Jones wasn't considered for the job last summer. Apparently he is good friends with Peace and was merely consulted as to who we should consider for the job. That's what I heard anyway and I for one don't believe that Jones won't be considered this time round Peace isn't that naive.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 06:50:27 PM
The only concern I have with Dave Jones is his close connections to Terry Burton.

Having received a back lash in the summer I really don't think the club are that stupid to go through it again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 06:50:34 PM
Guess what, when Clarke and Mel were managers I "banged on" about them.

I thought the clique was made up of Reid, Olsson, Brunt and Morrison (or what would be called senior professionals in any other club)  Who do you suggest are in "the clique" now? I was also not blind to Irvine's faults but I also recognised he was not the root cause of the problems that we have at the club. If you think we will now be challenging for Europe because we have sacked Irvine, I admire your optimism.

For a start 3 of the players mentioned above are still here. So stands to reason the problem is still there

Secondly when have I said now Irvine has gone we will be in europe??

Mel and Clarke have nothing to do with Irvine....

i don't get your blind faith in Irvine, it bordered on the ridiculous as it was so obvious that the football was poor, the team setup poor and the tactical awareness was poor and he was so far out of his depth.

I admire your optimism that we would have been ok with Irvine in charge.

i would prefer you to not put words in my mouth or make out that i think X,Y or Z will happen now Irvine has gone as unless you can directly quote me then your are just saying things to suit your argument which again is as ridiculous as your faith in AI.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 06:52:22 PM
I guess one of the positives to appointing Pulis is that he might turn us into an horrible set of *******.

Our midfield are well too nice and soft at the moment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 30, 2014, 06:55:16 PM
I guess one of the positives to appointing Pulis is that he might turn us into an horrible set of *******.

Our midfield are well too nice and soft at the moment.


I remember a story about Big Ron once changing the studs in the 78/79 squad's boots for one match during that terrible winter, neglecting to tell anyone else of course, thus giving us that extra edge. THAT'S the way forward  ;)

Mulumbu and Yacob with knuckledusters.....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 06:56:31 PM
Yeah they did...

His away record at stoke was also awful and he often played for 0-0s.

He's a cleverer man than his critics will say but to ignore that his style is inherently negative a lot of the time is just self delusion. He won't score any more, perhaps even less than we did under irvine and yes just as if not more happy to play for draws. Its fine to want him but lets not rewrite history and pretend he's a positive manager.

Anyone who saw the palace win over us in the cup this year knows what to expect.Got a lucky goal then sat back hoofing it back to us, asking us to break them down. That's a Pulis side. With the right players he's a less evolved allardyce and will do Ok. If we have the right players is a very different matter however.

But, he had the tactical ability to pull it off through experience and organisation. Completely different to Irvine who couldn't and didn't!

im not self-delusional thanks, i know what Pulis brings and know his history thanks, I've seen a lot of direct football and ive seen some decent football from his sides.

Don't you just hate it when people have a personal opinion and think its the be all and end all of football opinions and nobody else's but their own has any importance
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 06:57:32 PM
The only concern I have with Dave Jones is his close connections to Terry Burton.

Having received a back lash in the summer I really don't think the club are that stupid to go through it again.

A few concerns.
1. We came very close to appointing Jones in the past.
2. I do not see negotitaions with Pulis running smoothly.
3. Never underestimate the stupidity of the human condition.
 :D.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 06:57:45 PM
Negative football is stopping the game from being played.

There are many ways to detail and describe negative football..you have named 1 of them
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VANDERLEI on December 30, 2014, 06:59:26 PM
Peace has to realise that the rigid continental approach just simply isn't working for us. I'm not saying that there is no benefit to running a club this way but it needs to be adaptable to the clubs situation at any given time. The fact that a lot of our new signings over the summer haven't featured because the manager preferred others, highlights the main problem. A manager, head coach or whatever you want to call the person picking the team and selecting tactics needs to be able to select players who he believes in, not who the recruitment team believe in. A manager should have a budget to work to and a blueprint of who they want to execute his tactics, otherwise you get unused players eating up the wages sitting on the bench or playing in the reserves.

Pulis for me would be the outstanding candidate due to his track record and ability to adapt to what is needed for the club he manages at that given time. If he felt that turgid hoofball was the best solution to keep us a Premier League team then I would be 100% behind that. I think Pulis gets a unwarranted stick as does Allardyce, they are old school managers with their own philosophies but more importantly they have proved they know what they are doing as far as keeping teams in the Premier league and winning football matches. It beggars belief why some WBA fans are dismissive of these sort of names with proven track record are suggested. We are not a big club, we have to do what we can to remain a top flight club, and I for one am happy for us to kick, claw, punch and scratch to achieve this objective. We don't have the budget to be choosy in how we do this.

Palace were literally dead and buried when Pulis took over and he literally performed a footballing miracle in turning them into a pretty good team. If given the support from the board he can do the same here. We need to push the boat out to get him here as I am sure he would turn out to be our best appointment since Hodgson and Ashworth before him.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on December 30, 2014, 06:59:45 PM
Sherwood - Has absolutely no credentials what so ever. He once took over a club for 5 months and did ok. He is however a huge loudmouth and self serving tit who is quoted as saying he's not really into tactics and he trusts players at this level to know what they need to do.

Under Sherwood Spurs played long balls from Loris to the strikers, neither of whom are big strong lads and they faired really badly against anyone who sat deep.

Pulis - His brand of Rugby is disgusting. We may well stay up, but at what cost?! He left Palace on the eve of the season after giving an ultimatum and the chairman standing his ground. He is totally in it for his self and will dump Albion the second he can.

Is there seriously not a single coach from the continent who has good quality English and plays an attacking style of football, with an ethos of team defending? We're a consistent team in the world's most watched league. Going for either Rugby or a loud mouthed muppet seems a backwards step in either direction.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SmethDan on December 30, 2014, 07:00:36 PM

I remember a story about Big Ron once changing the studs in the 78/79 squad's boots for one match during that terrible winter, neglecting to tell anyone else of course, thus giving us that extra edge. THAT'S the way forward  ;)

Mulumbu and Yacob with knuckledusters.....

That game was against Oldham.
We played in astro turf trainers after assuring (I think it was Joe Royal) that the pitch would take studs.
 :D.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 30, 2014, 07:01:12 PM
Good evening Baggies, as a Stoke fan you may say I'm biased... But Tony Pulis would honestly be your best option for new manager.

Forget about the "hoofball" and "anti football" argument. Tony Pulis was hired by Stoke to do a job and he did that job brilliantly. He built a strong direct team which helped to build the club from a bang average Championship club into a mid table Premier League club. Some Stoke fans would have preferred a better style yes, but at the end of the day we wouldn't be as strong and stable as we are now if it wasn't for Pulis.

Fast forward to the Palace appointment. Pulis showed he was not a one trick pony. He played a dynamic counter attacking system which played to the strengths of the Palace squad. Ironically, this is the system his replacement Mark Hughes has implemented at Stoke!

West Brom have a better squad than Palace had when he took over. Lescott and Olsson will benefit from his diligent defensive drills. Mulumbu would probably be the man to sit deep and protect the back 4. (Similar to Jedinak at Palace or Delap in his Stoke days). The clean sheets will come which will take pressure off Foster. You then have a lot of pace to hit teams on the break. Pulis would get you mid table with his eyes closed.

This is what I expect to happen, cheers fella
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: seteefeet on December 30, 2014, 07:02:12 PM
If Sky have it right (1st time for everything) it is a straight 2 horse race between Pulis and Sherwood and one or the other will be in by weekend. Do we believe this? Is the decision already made and the other is just a smokescreen?
Personally I think it is a waste of time talking to Pulis unless we are prepared to offer him the job. We all know what he is and what he wants and if we are prepared to give it to him then Sherwood does not even come into it.
On the other hand, it could be that we already know that we are not going down the Pulis route and are just laying the groundwork to say that Sherwood was the best candidate, to give the impression that he beat Puilis to the job, rather than us giving it to the summer's runner up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 07:05:21 PM
Is there anyone itk because I cant stand it all over again. The disappointment last time when Irvine was announced was crushing.I cant go through i all again. Please let it be Pulis or Sherwood and please god announce it soon
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 07:09:25 PM
For a start 3 of the players mentioned above are still here. So stands to reason the problem is still there

Secondly when have I said now Irvine has gone we will be in europe??

Mel and Clarke have nothing to do with Irvine....

i don't get your blind faith in Irvine, it bordered on the ridiculous as it was so obvious that the football was poor, the team setup poor and the tactical awareness was poor and he was so far out of his depth.

I admire your optimism that we would have been ok with Irvine in charge.

i would prefer you to not put words in my mouth or make out that i think X,Y or Z will happen now Irvine has gone as unless you can directly quote me then your are just saying things to suit your argument which again is as ridiculous as your faith in AI.
My "blind faith" was not in Irvine but the squad and, despite their faults, the realisation that there are teams that will finish below us because they aren't as good as us. They will still finish below us for this reason.

Now that Irvine has gone, what do you expect to happen just so I don't have to put words in your mouth?

Again, don't want to put words in your mouth, so who is the clique and which are playing regularly?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 30, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
There are many ways to detail and describe negative football..you have named 1 of them
Yep, the one that Tony Pulis employs  ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 30, 2014, 07:13:16 PM
Where's Baggie79 tonight?  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on December 30, 2014, 07:16:23 PM
What, no mention of Mick McCarthy?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 30, 2014, 07:27:40 PM
My "blind faith" was not in Irvine but the squad and, despite their faults, the realisation that there are teams that will finish below us because they aren't as good as us. They will still finish below us for this reason.

Now that Irvine has gone, what do you expect to happen just so I don't have to put words in your mouth?

Again, don't want to put words in your mouth, so who is the clique and which are playing regularly?

I have about as much of an idea what will happen as you or anybody else does.

Everything depends on who comes in to replace AI.

You named the clique...I responded to rumours without naming anyone.  Brunt and Morrison if my memory serves me correctly play pretty often!! Its not about how often they are playing anyway, its their influence in the dressing room and away from it that the problem is 'supposed' to lie.

I also think there are teams worse than us that will finish below us, surely your not saying this should have been Irvines saving grace and kept him in a job?? If it is then I have no reply to that kind of statement.....the squad isn't brilliant granted but its good enough to play better football than what I have witnessed this season.

Irvine was a coach not a manager...thats where he failed

Pulis isn't just negative at all, I'm sorry I don't agree with that at all. each to their own opinions though...

Palace would have been relegated had he taken a negative approach...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie53 on December 30, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
That game was against Oldham.
We played in astro turf trainers after assuring (I think it was Joe Royal) that the pitch would take studs.
 :D.
I am sure that was Bristol City at the Hawthorns on New Years Day 1979. There was snow on the pitch and Atkinson bought astroturf trainers (which were a relatively new thing at the time) for the players to wear. We won 3-1 and our layers kept their feet while Bristol City slipped all over the place
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 07:35:52 PM
Sherwood - Has absolutely no credentials what so ever. He once took over a club for 5 months and did ok. He is however a huge loudmouth and self serving tit who is quoted as saying he's not really into tactics and he trusts players at this level to know what they need to do.

Under Sherwood Spurs played long balls from Loris to the strikers, neither of whom are big strong lads and they faired really badly against anyone who sat deep.

Pulis - His brand of Rugby is disgusting. We may well stay up, but at what cost?! He left Palace on the eve of the season after giving an ultimatum and the chairman standing his ground. He is totally in it for his self and will dump Albion the second he can.

Is there seriously not a single coach from the continent who has good quality English and plays an attacking style of football, with an ethos of team defending? We're a consistent team in the world's most watched league. Going for either Rugby or a loud mouthed muppet seems a backwards step in either direction.
I think there is, and it's the route I'd like us to go down. Sadly, I fear Peace will associate our "failure" under Mel with all potential foreign appointments.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 07:39:03 PM
Anyone catch Tony Mowbray's insight into the club on Five Live about 10 minutes ago?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 07:40:10 PM
Anyone catch Tony Mowbray's insight into the club on Five Live about 10 minutes ago?

Would be interested to know what was said mate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 30, 2014, 07:46:40 PM
I don't like the last line of an article in The Guardian!

'Other contenders such as Chris Hughton and Dave Jones have not been discounted by Albion sources'.

Surely not? Full article

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/30/tony-pulis-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 07:58:00 PM
I don't like the last line of an article in The Guardian!

'Other contenders such as Chris Hughton and Dave Jones have not been discounted by Albion sources'.

Surely not? Full article

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/30/tony-pulis-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood
Here we F****** go again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 30, 2014, 08:00:20 PM
Sherwood is back as favourite with some bookies. Source: Oddschecker
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionFan on December 30, 2014, 08:05:33 PM
All day I've been reading articles about who will become our next Manager / Coach, I've been listening to football pundits on the radio and on TV, I've been checking fans polls and from all of that the overwhelming recommendation is Tony Pulis.

Why is it then, after all this and when I should be feeling confident that the most outstanding candiate, endorsed by all the above groups, I get this overwhelming and horrible feeling it won't be Pulis and probably not Sherwood either.

I do hope I'm wrong, if not God help us!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 30, 2014, 08:09:32 PM
Does anyone not think we will be shafted again and Hughton we come through the curtains at the press conference.
Haven't we learned anything, i think the club caused the reaction to Irvine with the way it was handled and they will do it again if they are not careful.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 30, 2014, 08:11:32 PM
In some ways I think I'd prefer Hughton to Sherwood. Hughton failed at Norwich at the end, but he also did well at Newcastle, Birmingham and also in his first season at Norwich.

Realistically the managers we seek are all going to have bad experiences at at least one club. Personally I'd prefer Pulis, but don't think I'd be too disapointed with Hughton.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Aztech on December 30, 2014, 08:13:31 PM
My preference would be Eddie Howe, although i accept it is very unlikely.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: robnewbold on December 30, 2014, 08:14:47 PM
We all now whats going to happen, Sherwood and Pulis will turn us down and we will end up with Chris Hughton or Dave Jones.

This......im sorry to say is precisely what will happen. Deja Vu al over again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 08:15:59 PM
Pretty sure they won't go for Dave Jones given the reaction Irvine, Downing and Kelly have had. Don't think Peace is that stupid.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 30, 2014, 08:20:47 PM
Paul clement anyone?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 30, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
Anyone catch Tony Mowbray's insight into the club on Five Live about 10 minutes ago?
I'm sorry to have missed that. Hopefully it'll turn up online somewhere.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Iceman on December 30, 2014, 08:22:45 PM
Surely appointing Sherwood is an Irvine Mach 2, another man not deemed good enough in previous recruitment later thought to be the best man for the job.......
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dudleylad on December 30, 2014, 08:31:29 PM
To be fair I think its pretty obvious now he was the preferred choice, the stumbling block was his coaching staff.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Gilsey 56 on December 30, 2014, 08:36:17 PM
I think the main thing the new man has to have is leadership qualities we have been driftwood for so long, someone who will get the crwd going not in the Irvine way of coarse.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 30, 2014, 08:43:21 PM
What a bellend on 5 live, someone tweeting in if theres a god let WBA get relegated because of disgraceful treatment of managers. T*sser!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on December 30, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
What a bellend on 5 live, someone tweeting in if theres a god let WBA get relegated because of disgraceful treatment of managers. T*sser!

Absolutely. We haven't had a manager for ages  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 30, 2014, 08:57:07 PM
Is there anyone itk because I cant stand it all over again. The disappointment last time when Irvine was announced was crushing.I cant go through i all again. Please let it be Pulis or Sherwood and please god announce it soon
dont worry lad , it wont be irvine again  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SpursFan on December 30, 2014, 08:59:33 PM
Sherwood - Has absolutely no credentials what so ever. He once took over a club for 5 months and did ok. He is however a huge loudmouth and self serving tit who is quoted as saying he's not really into tactics and he trusts players at this level to know what they need to do.

Under Sherwood Spurs played long balls from Loris to the strikers, neither of whom are big strong lads and they faired really badly against anyone who sat deep.


This isn't true, well, not the 2nd bit anyway. Maybe in contrast to AVB's overpassing it was more direct(thank God) but it certainly wasn't long ball, the first thing Sherwood did was bring Bentaleb(a ball playing midfielder) into the side, a move that took a fair amount of guts considering he hadn't played a game at senior level before and was brought in ahead of far bigger names. Sherwood hates players who can't play, if they're not comfortable receiving and moving the ball then he doesn't want to know, he'll sooner pluck a kid from the academy than use a player like that. Under him we didn't play long ball, it was about getting it to our midfield and moving the ball quickly into attacking areas(this is where AVB failed), he also got us scoring goals(sometimes at the expense of defensive shape it has to be said) and we were actually putting away sides who came to WHL and sat deep fairly regularly, better than we did under AVB and better than we are under Pochettino. I would also say Adebayor and Kane are two fairly big, strong lads, he began with Soldado but again, Sherwood doesn't care for reputations so he brought Kane in, another decision that has been vindicated.

I do think he can become a good manager and I really do think he knows football but he is also a complete maverick, he won't have decisions forced upon him so I don't know how he'd work with a dof signing players for him, his attitude is if he's going down, he's going down doing it his way but he has total confidence(bordering on arrogance) in what he's doing, so the first paragraph about him being a self serving loudmouth probably isn't that far off. I do hope he gets given a chance somewhere but I suspect you'll go for Pulis, who admittedly is a much safer appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: weareblueweare white on December 30, 2014, 09:01:54 PM
Is there anyone itk because I cant stand it all over again. The disappointment last time when Irvine was announced was crushing.I cant go through i all again. Please let it be Pulis or Sherwood and please god announce it soon
Wouldn't mind Jol ether. He got Spurs playing a good style and only lost the plot at Fulham when Al Fayad put that Michael Jackson statue outside the ground :o
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WSBaggie on December 30, 2014, 09:04:27 PM
So we've gone from sacking Clarke and playing rubbish football to begging for Pulis to take the job.
Times really are desperate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie38 on December 30, 2014, 09:05:45 PM
So we've gone from sacking Clarke and playing rubbish football to begging for Pulis to take the job.
Times really are desperate.

In all fairness Pulis has proved that he uses a squad to their. strengths granted it was ugly at Stoke but at Palace they played some decent stuff.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Rheneas on December 30, 2014, 09:06:18 PM
Paul clement anyone?

No way. I've heard all the stuff about him being a good coach, and total drongos don't get to work at Real Madrid. But so far all he's been is a coach and a number 2.

I'm sick of getting in coaches and solid number two types. All that's happened is we've ended up stuck right in another kind of number two at the smelly end of the table.   

We need a proper manager with a track record. I've been saying it since flippin' May. All of us have been saying it since flippin' May. We need a bloke who has been there, done it, knows how to kick some backside, knows how to galvanise the club and who can tell a rubbish signing from a good un.

Pulis in.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 30, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
Absolutely. We haven't had a manager for ages  :D
mimimi pedant  :P
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 30, 2014, 09:11:07 PM
So we've gone from sacking Clarke and playing rubbish football to begging for Pulis to take the job.
Times really are desperate.
Pulis is a far better manager than Steve Clarke.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 30, 2014, 09:12:02 PM
This isn't true, well, not the 2nd bit anyway. Maybe in contrast to AVB's overpassing it was more direct(thank God) but it certainly wasn't long ball, the first thing Sherwood did was bring Bentaleb(a ball playing midfielder) into the side, a move that took a fair amount of guts considering he hadn't played a game at senior level before and was brought in ahead of far bigger names. Sherwood hates players who can't play, if they're not comfortable receiving and moving the ball then he doesn't want to know, he'll sooner pluck a kid from the academy than use a player like that. Under him we didn't play long ball, it was about getting it to our midfield and moving the ball quickly into attacking areas(this is where AVB failed), he also got us scoring goals(sometimes at the expense of defensive shape it has to be said) and we were actually putting away sides who came to WHL and sat deep fairly regularly, better than we did under AVB and better than we are under Pochettino. I would also say Adebayor and Kane are two fairly big, strong lads, he began with Soldado but again, Sherwood doesn't care for reputations so he brought Kane in, another decision that has been vindicated.

I do think he can become a good manager and I really do think he knows football but he is also a complete maverick, he won't have decisions forced upon him so I don't know how he'd work with a dof signing players for him, his attitude is if he's going down, he's going down doing it his way but he has total confidence(bordering on arrogance) in what he's doing, so the first paragraph about him being a self serving loudmouth probably isn't that far off. I do hope he gets given a chance somewhere but I suspect you'll go for Pulis, who admittedly is a much safer appointment.

Thanks for taking the time to post an informed opinion. 8)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 30, 2014, 09:13:12 PM
I'm hoping JP bites the bullet and appoints a genuine football manager which would distance us from some of the usual suspects.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: A5HB on December 30, 2014, 09:28:22 PM
Firstly, although I'm in the minority, I'd have much rather kept Irvine and invested in players he actually wants and trusts rather than change manager again. Ultimately it's the quality of our players that will decide where we end up, and I have huge doubts about our squad.

Anyway, moving on, it appears that Pulis and Sherwood are the two names in the immediate frame. I'd be content with Pulis, but only short term. Yes, his record for keeping teams up is exceptional, but his demands for transfer budget and control of targets will cause a huge issue for him here beyond this season. We don't have the money available to waste on players like he had at Stoke, and I think he'd walk away if it didn't go his way. For me he's a safe pair of hands to get us to the summer.

As for Sherwood, I am totally opposed to him. I was dreading him getting the job in the summer and I feel the same now. I was delighted when we appointed Irvine over Sherwood to be honest. I have huge concerns with both his temperament and his tactical nous. Yes, at Spurs he had an attacking style that won games, but they were a complete joke defensively. At one of the top 6 or 7 clubs in the country you could afford to go all guns blazing and take teams on punch for punch, because they were better than most teams. However, his record against sides of equal or better ability was pretty poor, and they took some embarrassing beatings in these games. This is a huge concern for me. We are always playing sides of equal or better ability, so I'd be very worried about his ability to set us up to deal with this. We aren't good enough to make it an open game. I also can't look past how poorly they defended against us last year. Playing with a high line and no pressure on the ball was a car crash. We were a poor side and we were cutting them open at will. I also have issues with his temperament. For me he is too emotional and can't make clear decisions. He's too reactive and too quick to criticise his players, something you just cannot get away with in the modern game. You'll just end up losing the players, which is a disaster for any coach.

So that's my thoughts. A yes to Pulis as a short term fix and a big no to Sherwood.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wimbledon baggie on December 30, 2014, 09:48:34 PM
This isn't true, well, not the 2nd bit anyway. Maybe in contrast to AVB's overpassing it was more direct(thank God) but it certainly wasn't long ball, the first thing Sherwood did was bring Bentaleb(a ball playing midfielder) into the side, a move that took a fair amount of guts considering he hadn't played a game at senior level before and was brought in ahead of far bigger names. Sherwood hates players who can't play, if they're not comfortable receiving and moving the ball then he doesn't want to know, he'll sooner pluck a kid from the academy than use a player like that. Under him we didn't play long ball, it was about getting it to our midfield and moving the ball quickly into attacking areas(this is where AVB failed), he also got us scoring goals(sometimes at the expense of defensive shape it has to be said) and we were actually putting away sides who came to WHL and sat deep fairly regularly, better than we did under AVB and better than we are under Pochettino. I would also say Adebayor and Kane are two fairly big, strong lads, he began with Soldado but again, Sherwood doesn't care for reputations so he brought Kane in, another decision that has been vindicated.

I do think he can become a good manager and I really do think he knows football but he is also a complete maverick, he won't have decisions forced upon him so I don't know how he'd work with a dof signing players for him, his attitude is if he's going down, he's going down doing it his way but he has total confidence(bordering on arrogance) in what he's doing, so the first paragraph about him being a self serving loudmouth probably isn't that far off. I do hope he gets given a chance somewhere but I suspect you'll go for Pulis, who admittedly is a much safer appointment.

Thanks buddy for an informative inside view.

From the outside looking in, it seemed to me that Sherwood had his favourites (probably because he was promoted from the coaching staff). He did seem very outspoken (arrogant) at times and I remember him publicly having a go at one of his players which most people thought was in bad taste (forget the player in question). I would worry that he would 'throw a hand grenade' into the dressing room and with so few games left in the season this could back fire badly. Look how the players reacted to Pepe Mel. We need a well established, proven PL manager who commands respect from the off and I think, as you say, Pulis is that man.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bishop brennan on December 30, 2014, 09:52:19 PM
I am sure that was Bristol City at the Hawthorns on New Years Day 1979. There was snow on the pitch and Atkinson bought astroturf trainers (which were a relatively new thing at the time) for the players to wear. We won 3-1 and our layers kept their feet while Bristol City slipped all over the place

You are correct baggie53
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 10:11:54 PM
Whats happening to the odds on betfair?

Ally McCoist 1/100

No F****** way
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Do I not like Wolves on December 30, 2014, 10:13:33 PM
You are correct baggie53
If I remember rightly the Bristol goal came from  a re-taken penalty when Ally Brown threw a snowball as the penalty was saved?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: keithowba86 on December 30, 2014, 10:14:28 PM
Ignore betfair....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 10:15:40 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/next-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-baggies-job-9950990.html

"The former Tottenham Hotspur manager Tim Sherwood is on the brink of being appointed as the new West Bromwich Albion head coach following the sacking of Alan Irvine. Sherwood, 45, is in talks with the club and is the first choice of chairman Jeremy Peace. "
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Groovephil on December 30, 2014, 10:20:21 PM
I can't think of anyone I want less then Sherwood.

Peace DON'T YOU DARE.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 10:21:46 PM
I can't think of anyone I want less then Sherwood.

Peace DON'T YOU DARE.

I can think of quits a few I would want less than Sherwood
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2014, 10:22:01 PM
Come on father Tim your turn
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 30, 2014, 10:23:26 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/next-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-baggies-job-9950990.html

"The former Tottenham Hotspur manager Tim Sherwood is on the brink of being appointed as the new West Bromwich Albion head coach following the sacking of Alan Irvine. Sherwood, 45, is in talks with the club and is the first choice of chairman Jeremy Peace. "

Bloke who writes for The Times has just tweeted that Pulis impressed during talks but nothing set in stone yet, few also saying Pulis is in talks.

Club as per usual keeping things close to their chest so guesswork aplenty going on.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie96 on December 30, 2014, 10:24:37 PM
Either sherwood or pulis would be great appointments . Both are what we need. Pulis was close earlier but peace does like sherwood. Not sure what will happen now but we can basically have either of then. Terms with pulis are all but agreed and sherwood will be simple. Both will be bringing in their own staff. KD RK will both be sacked and DK future depends on the new manager.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: bry on December 30, 2014, 10:25:18 PM
Bloke who writes for The Times has just tweeted that Pulis impressed during talks but nothing set in stone yet, few also saying Pulis is in talks.

Club as per usual keeping things close to their chest so guesswork aplenty going on.

Its the hope that kills me. Please let it be over soon.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: 17GD on December 30, 2014, 10:25:59 PM
Whoever we get will be better than AI.

Unless of course, another unheard-of is announced....
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 30, 2014, 10:30:18 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/next-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-baggies-job-9950990.html

"The former Tottenham Hotspur manager Tim Sherwood is on the brink of being appointed as the new West Bromwich Albion head coach following the sacking of Alan Irvine. Sherwood, 45, is in talks with the club and is the first choice of chairman Jeremy Peace. "

There was stuff written very similar to this about Schaff last time if your remember. Nothing surprises me. Could be bloody anyone...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SpursFan on December 30, 2014, 10:31:10 PM
Anyway, moving on, it appears that Pulis and Sherwood are the two names in the immediate frame. I'd be content with Pulis, but only short term. Yes, his record for keeping teams up is exceptional, but his demands for transfer budget and control of targets will cause a huge issue for him here beyond this season. We don't have the money available to waste on players like he had at Stoke, and I think he'd walk away if it didn't go his way. For me he's a safe pair of hands to get us to the summer.

As for Sherwood, I am totally opposed to him. I was dreading him getting the job in the summer and I feel the same now. I was delighted when we appointed Irvine over Sherwood to be honest. I have huge concerns with both his temperament and his tactical nous. Yes, at Spurs he had an attacking style that won games, but they were a complete joke defensively. At one of the top 6 or 7 clubs in the country you could afford to go all guns blazing and take teams on punch for punch, because they were better than most teams. However, his record against sides of equal or better ability was pretty poor, and they took some embarrassing beatings in these games. This is a huge concern for me. We are always playing sides of equal or better ability, so I'd be very worried about his ability to set us up to deal with this. We aren't good enough to make it an open game. I also can't look past how poorly they defended against us last year. Playing with a high line and no pressure on the ball was a car crash. We were a poor side and we were cutting them open at will. I also have issues with his temperament. For me he is too emotional and can't make clear decisions. He's too reactive and too quick to criticise his players, something you just cannot get away with in the modern game. You'll just end up losing the players, which is a disaster for any coach.

So that's my thoughts. A yes to Pulis as a short term fix and a big no to Sherwood.

This is true to some extent, when he came in the club needed a lift, he gave us that playing much more attacking football than we'd endured for the previous few months, results were good and there was positivity at the club again. Phase two he began to move away from that and was adapting for each game, I think this was his best spell in charge, it was a more measured approach but still with decent football and decent results. Then came phase three, we'd taken a couple of beatings(which I'll get to in a sec) and after that it was like he'd jacked it in and seemed to put no thought into what he was doing, the same lineups every week and it was just lottery football(our 3-3 against you being a perfect example), I don't know whether the pressure had got to him or maybe he knew he wasn't being considered for the job permanently or what but he was rather unprofessional in the final month or so of the season.

Our record under him against the clubs equal or better wasn't terrible. He beat Southampton twice, he beat Everton and he won at Old Trafford. He lost at home to Arsenal in a close game and we lost heavily to the top three but they looked worse on the face of it than they actually were. Wrongful penalty decisions leading to red cards(which were both later rescinded) turned both games against Man City and Chelsea, we got hammered after it but it would be harsh to put those results on Sherwood, we were deservedly thrashed at Anfield though, that was late on in the season when it felt like he'd downed tools. This was a team who'd earlier in the season lost 6-0, 5-0 and 3-0 to City, Liverpool and West Ham so clearly this wasn't something that only happened under Sherwood, a few months in the job probably wasn't long enough to expect him to eradicate those kind of performances/results completely.

He is a real mixed bag and he will rub some people up the wrong way but I do think he can be a good coach, perhaps even a very good one. Both he and Pulis have had their reputations enhanced greatly because of a single good spell over a similar amount of time. Pulis is obviously the safer choice and he did do an excellent job at Palace but then it wasn't so long ago that Stoke fans were glad to see him leave.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 30, 2014, 10:34:34 PM
I'm quite warming to the idea of having Sherwood here, it's just with Pulis you know what to expect whereas Sherwood would be a bit more risky.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mossi28 on December 30, 2014, 10:36:29 PM
Bill Howell who now covers us on the birmingham mail has put on his twitter

Pulis close. It appears those 'demands' weren't half as daunting as they first appeared. Continental structure is the future #wba
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 10:37:57 PM
I keep hearing about Sherwood being outspoken. Wasn't it on the back of one powerful interview against Chelsea where he spoke a lot of truth regarding the players and football club? He must have got a reaction from that interview too as I'm sure there were a couple of players who didn't under Sherwood again - I think Sandro might have been one of them.

I must say whenever I've heard him speak, particularly on Goals On Sunday, he has always come across quite impressive and spoken very highly of our football club.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 30, 2014, 10:38:54 PM
Bill Howell on twitter

Pulis close. It appears those 'demands' weren't half as daunting as they first appeared. Continental structure is the future #wba

Who's Bill Howell?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mossi28 on December 30, 2014, 10:40:01 PM
Who's Bill Howell?

Just edited the post above, he now covers us on the birmingham mail, he replaced CL
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Stroller on December 30, 2014, 10:40:44 PM
Thing that bothers me about Sherwood is that if he did well you can bet he'd scuttle off quicker than a rat up a drainpipe if a so-called bigger club came knocking. Pulis however would stick around and build something more lasting, I suspect.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: royhan on December 30, 2014, 10:41:15 PM
Bill Howell who now covers us on the birmingham mail has put on his twitter

Pulis close. It appears those 'demands' weren't half as daunting as they first appeared. Continental structure is the future #wba

I must say I am surprised by this statement. I may go against my own advice and have a few pounds on him now
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 30, 2014, 10:43:04 PM
Just edited the post above, he now covers us on the birmingham mail, he replaced CL

Thats a good source then,i always wondered who replaced CL.

If Pulis gets the job i think the hawthorns will turn into a fortress again. Palace and stoke were both hard places to go under pulis.i think it will be a good place to go and watch football again. The less said about the away games the better,its not going to be pretty
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SpursFan on December 30, 2014, 10:44:40 PM
Thanks buddy for an informative inside view.

From the outside looking in, it seemed to me that Sherwood had his favourites (probably because he was promoted from the coaching staff). He did seem very outspoken (arrogant) at times and I remember him publicly having a go at one of his players which most people thought was in bad taste (forget the player in question). I would worry that he would 'throw a hand grenade' into the dressing room and with so few games left in the season this could back fire badly. Look how the players reacted to Pepe Mel. We need a well established, proven PL manager who commands respect from the off and I think, as you say, Pulis is that man.

Yes, Tim doesn't have a filter, he says it as it is, some fans will like that and some won't. That's probably the main reason Levy didn't keep him on. He and Sandro had a bit of a to-do and he's not shy on calling out players who aren't putting the work in, he doesn't care who they are.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 10:49:58 PM
Bill Howell who now covers us on the birmingham mail has put on his twitter

Pulis close. It appears those 'demands' weren't half as daunting as they first appeared. Continental structure is the future #wba

This for me is worrying.

I really expected Pulis to demand we go away from the continental structure. If we don't I can see a Palace scenario happening where he will walk away if we do not bow down to his demands leaving us in the lerch.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 30, 2014, 10:50:52 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tony-pulis-wants-2million-per-4895493

Now Peace is ready to ditch his previous insistence at retaining Keith Downing and Dean Kiely as first team coaches and commit to a total shake up.That is one of Pulis’ other demands as he always works with Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 10:53:02 PM
Given the daily mail headline says Pulis ahead of Sherwood, and the independent headline is Sherwood on brink of the job, I'm guessing as usual the truth is all the media are left guessing till its announced.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 30, 2014, 10:54:28 PM
Some of the stuff that's come out from Tottenham about Sherwood since he left them really worry me.  He would be a very high risk appointment from many angles
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 10:55:58 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tony-pulis-wants-2million-per-4895493

Now Peace is ready to ditch his previous insistence at retaining Keith Downing and Dean Kiely as first team coaches and commit to a total shake up.That is one of Pulis’ other demands as he always works with Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis.
everytime I look at newsnow wba all the national press are saying either pulis pulls ahead of Sherwood or visa versa. has anybody got a clue really.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 10:56:11 PM
This for me is worrying.

I really expected Pulis to demand we go away from the continental structure. If we don't I can see a Palace scenario happening where he will walk away if we do not bow down to his demands leaving us in the lerch.
Not really though: Pulis has openly said in the past that he feels having a technical director is the future of football, and even went abroad himself to write a report for Stoke about the way it is implemented at a number of European clubs. Any manager would benefit from having a technical director/head of recruitment above him if they're on his side; willing to take into account the manager's own targets and giving the manager scout reports on other targets who play in the same position. As has always been the case at our club, the head coach has the final say on signings, in that he can veto them if he wouldn't play them. Pulis probably just wanted such an assurance built into his contract, and slightly more influence in terms of chasing his own targets rather than other recommended ones.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BoingFlyer on December 30, 2014, 10:57:24 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/30/tony-pulis-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood

Another paper linking us to the Pulis. Interesting that Ashworth's opinion is being cited by the article but no direct quote that he Pearce would for-go the continental structure of signing players.

Also quote Irvine as being on £750,000 per season and Pulis would be on double that.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 10:57:44 PM
The reason I suspect it's Pulis is Bill Howell, the Birmingham Mail reporter has just stated it's close. Local media tend to be the most accurate as they have sources inside the club (having said that, The Telegraph were the first to break Irvine's sacking last night).
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 10:59:16 PM
The reason I suspect it's Pulis is Bill Howell, the Birmingham Mail reporter has just stated it's close. Local media tend to be the most accurate as they have sources inside the club (having said that, The Telegraph were the first to break Irvine's sacking last night).

I think they were all aware of Irvine's sacking, just that The Telegraph possibly broke an embargo and hence released the information first. I would imagine that's why the written media were banned from our press conference today.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:00:22 PM
I think they were all aware of Irvine's sacking, just that The Telegraph possibly broke an embargo and hence released the information first. I would imagine that's why the written media were banned from our press conference today.
Yep, think you're right.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 11:01:03 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/30/tony-pulis-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood

Another paper linking us to the Pulis. Interesting that Ashworth's opinion is being cited by the article but no direct quote that he Pearce would for-go the continental structure of signing players.

Also quote Irvine as being on £750,000 per season and Pulis would be on double that.



So that's just under £14,500 a week, so Pulis will be on around £30,000 a week.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:02:13 PM
Not really though: Pulis has openly said in the past that he feels having a technical director is the future of football, and even went abroad himself to write a report for Stoke about the way it is implemented at a number of European clubs. Any manager would benefit from having a technical director/head of recruitment above him if they're on his side; willing to take into account the manager's own targets and giving the manager scout reports on other targets who play in the same position. As has always been the case at our club, the head coach has the final say on signings, in that he can veto them if he wouldn't play them. Pulis probably just wanted such an assurance built into his contract, and slightly more influence in terms of chasing his own targets rather than other recommended ones.

I would hope you're right but I'm not entirely convinced when I see Pulis walk away from Crystal Palace who also operate with a similar system to ours with Ian Moody in charge of their recruitment. Add in the fact there was a dilemma over the amount of money Palace had spent and given we're not exactly high spenders ourselves, I'm not entirely swayed that Pulis and Peace will be a happy marriage.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:05:49 PM
I would hope you're right but I'm not entirely convinced when I see Pulis walk away from Crystal Palace who also operate with a similar system to ours with Ian Moody in charge of their recruitment. Add in the fact there was a dilemma over the amount of money Palace had spent and given we're not exactly high spenders ourselves, I'm not entirely swayed that Pulis and Peace will be a happy marriage.
Yeah, absolutely get where you're coming from: If he's appointed, I wouldn't bet against that being the reason for his eventual departure, whenever that inevitably comes. I would hope we'd get enough out of him to make it worth it, though. If Pulis held some sway over Peace it could even lead us to be a bit more ambitious in the transfer market for a while which would be nice.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie79 on December 30, 2014, 11:07:17 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/next-west-brom-manager-tim-sherwood-on-brink-of-taking-baggies-job-9950990.html

"The former Tottenham Hotspur manager Tim Sherwood is on the brink of being appointed as the new West Bromwich Albion head coach following the sacking of Alan Irvine. Sherwood, 45, is in talks with the club and is the first choice of chairman Jeremy Peace. "

Heard from several people today the same line that Pulis has been verbally offered the job following successful meetings with his agent and lawyers along with dialogue between all parties. It seems as though it is just a formality now, terms, staff, transfer policy all agreed and it's all down to him now to make his decision.

Sherwood is very much a backup option that we can appoint very quicly encase Pulis rejects us or takes an alternate job.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Adder on December 30, 2014, 11:10:45 PM
Good to hear that things appear to be moving along quickly.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 11:12:01 PM
IS pulis actually being linked with anyone else, not looked myself too interested with whats going on here.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Mat15(MH) on December 30, 2014, 11:13:04 PM
IS pulis actually being linked with anyone else, not looked myself too interested with whats going on here.

The Sun's backpage(pinch of salt I know) tomorrow says that us and Newcastle are competing for Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 11:15:25 PM
The Sun's backpage(pinch of salt I know) tomorrow says that us and Newcastle are competing for Pulis.
would be nice to put one over  a big club for once. come on pulis you know it makes sense.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 30, 2014, 11:17:36 PM
Tony Mowbray interview:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02g497z
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 11:21:51 PM
Tony Mowbray interview:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02g497z

Cheers, good listen. I'd take him back  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 30, 2014, 11:25:51 PM
IS pulis actually being linked with anyone else, not looked myself too interested with whats going on here.
There is a report this evening that Pulis is not interested in Newcastle due to the set-up.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 30, 2014, 11:34:11 PM
The Daily Mail seem to think it is a done deal!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891817/Tony-Pulis-set-named-West-Brom-manager-turning-chance-Alan-Pardew-Newcastle.html
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Red Stripe on December 30, 2014, 11:37:02 PM
Really?  Do you not think his other 6 years at Stoke were pretty miserable in terms of the cynical nature his teams played..

Do you think it was miserable watching Fuller tear your side apart or watching Arsenal capitulate time after time, or watching the great and the good of the Premier League rubbish themselves just because we've got a throw-in?  We had some fantastic years under Pulis - if we didn't then I'd have no reason whatsoever to say so on here.  It was time for us to part company when we did though.

They weren't cynical, maybe a bit of time-wasting here and there but he hated diving and fined our players when they did and I always thought that we were physical rather than dirty.  I actually think he plays the game in a very honest way.  Although I know you won't see it that way with your Mowbray tinted glasses on (and I'm not taking mine off) so we'll agree to disagree here.

Alex Fergusson said pretty much the same thing about our honesty.

I would say that we're more cynical now that diving has crept into our play (which I hate).
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:41:43 PM
Do you think it was miserable watching Fuller tear your side apart or watching Arsenal capitulate time after time, or watching the great and the good of the Premier League rubbish themselves just because we've got a throw-in?  We had some fantastic years under Pulis - if we didn't then I'd have no reason whatsoever to say so on here.  It was time for us to part company when we did though.

They weren't cynical, maybe a bit of time-wasting here and there but he hated diving and fined our players when they did and I always thought that we were physical rather than dirty.  I actually think he plays the game in a very honest way.  Although I know you won't see it that way with your Mowbray tinted glasses on (and I'm not taking mine off) so we'll agree to disagree here.

Alex Fergusson said pretty much the same thing about our honesty.

I would say that we're more cynical now that diving has crept into our play (which I hate).

If we appoint Pulis - will you lot stop calling us West Brazil?!  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 30, 2014, 11:43:13 PM
If we appoint Pulis - will you lot stop calling us West Brazil?!  :D

Imagine if Pulis rocks up at The Hawthorns playing total football though. Holland '74 stuff.

Haha!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 30, 2014, 11:44:13 PM
The Daily Mail seem to think it is a done deal!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891817/Tony-Pulis-set-named-West-Brom-manager-turning-chance-Alan-Pardew-Newcastle.html
The Mail say Pulis on the brink. The Independent say Sherwood on the brink. Who would you believe?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 11:45:17 PM
Do you think it was miserable watching Fuller tear your side apart or watching Arsenal capitulate time after time, or watching the great and the good of the Premier League rubbish themselves just because we've got a throw-in?  We had some fantastic years under Pulis - if we didn't then I'd have no reason whatsoever to say so on here.  It was time for us to part company when we did though.

They weren't cynical, maybe a bit of time-wasting here and there but he hated diving and fined our players when they did and I always thought that we were physical rather than dirty.  I actually think he plays the game in a very honest way.  Although I know you won't see it that way with your Mowbray tinted glasses on (and I'm not taking mine off) so we'll agree to disagree here.

Alex Fergusson said pretty much the same thing about our honesty.

I would say that we're more cynical now that diving has crept into our play (which I hate).

Pulis didn't say anything when you got a penalty at the hawthorns when Jones went to ground with no contact whatsoever...

With that said things like time wasting are par for the course and the kind of sensible tactics we've lacked. We can't hold leads precisely because the players have no idea how to take the momentum from the opposition. That's something pulis excels at.

Its imperative we do back him if we do get him in January though. Our squad is not suited for, well, any style at the moment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 30, 2014, 11:47:09 PM
The Mail say Pulis on the brink. The Independent say Sherwood on the brink. Who would you believe?

Who knows but Bill Howell (Mail) and Baggie79 are suggesting that Pulis is close. Hopefully we will hear something tomorrow either way!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 11:50:30 PM
Do you think it was miserable watching Fuller tear your side apart or watching Arsenal capitulate time after time, or watching the great and the good of the Premier League rubbish themselves just because we've got a throw-in?  We had some fantastic years under Pulis - if we didn't then I'd have no reason whatsoever to say so on here.  It was time for us to part company when we did though.

They weren't cynical, maybe a bit of time-wasting here and there but he hated diving and fined our players when they did and I always thought that we were physical rather than dirty.  I actually think he plays the game in a very honest way.  Although I know you won't see it that way with your Mowbray tinted glasses on (and I'm not taking mine off) so we'll agree to disagree here.

Alex Fergusson said pretty much the same thing about our honesty.

I would say that we're more cynical now that diving has crept into our play (which I hate).
Stoke and pulis combined have heaped more misery on us than other club I can think of. sometime it was ugly but there was also a lot of decent football aswell, testament to pulis he got the very best from the tools he had, we are not arsenal so will not get tippy tappy football and wins with the squad weve got. for years we slagged off stokes style of footy but it was their fans going home happy nearly every time we played them,
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: frazzle on December 30, 2014, 11:54:31 PM
Gutted if it's Pulis, despite the logic. Will feel like we've sold out.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 30, 2014, 11:57:05 PM
I brought into that Mowbray football snobbery, despite how many times Stoke rolled us over with ease. This is going to be a massive chunk of humble pie to actually warm to Pulis given my actions towards him previously.

Still football is a fickle sport and no doubt a few wins and us surviving in this division and I'll start to warm to him - and a win against Stoke would be nice.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 30, 2014, 11:59:11 PM
I brought into that Mowbray football snobbery, despite how many times Stoke rolled us over with ease. This is going to be a massive chunk of humble pie to actually warm to Pulis given my actions towards him previously.

Still football is a fickle sport and no doubt a few wins and us surviving in this division and I'll start to warm to him - and a win against Stoke would be nice.
can we beat stoke even with pulis in charge
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 12:00:24 AM
can we beat stoke even with pulis in charge

It would be a damn sight sweeter under Pulis I would imagine.

Almost a roll reversal of the Mowbray/Pulis eras.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 31, 2014, 12:01:23 AM
Makes me laugh when Stoke say that we were football snobs, I for one wasn't and have always been a believer of results over style.

I think people should ignore the national press and focus on sources closer to home. If our local journo is saying it's Pulis and so does Baggies79 (who is never really wrong in fairness) then it will probably be Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: SmethDan on December 31, 2014, 12:03:56 AM
I am sure that was Bristol City at the Hawthorns on New Years Day 1979. There was snow on the pitch and Atkinson bought astroturf trainers (which were a relatively new thing at the time) for the players to wear. We won 3-1 and our layers kept their feet while Bristol City slipped all over the place

Thank you 53, it appears that my not so old nut is becoming somewhat addled.
 8).
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 12:06:00 AM
Makes me laugh when Stoke say that we were football snobs, I for one wasn't and have always been a believer of results over style.

There was an awful lot of Albion fans that would mutter the lines "I couldn't watch that every week" and "I'd rather go down than watch that" every time we faced them.

I noticed they were quoting the old Lepkowski articles on Oatcake earlier where he was quite derogatory of their style  - CL referred to Pulis as "the John Prescott of football".
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 31, 2014, 12:16:51 AM
There was an awful lot of Albion fans that would mutter the lines "I couldn't watch that every week" and "I'd rather go down than watch that" every time we faced them.

I noticed they were quoting the old Lepkowski articles on Oatcake earlier where he was quite derogatory of their style  - CL referred to Pulis as "the John Prescott of football".

Well Mowbray and Lekpowski don't speak on behalf of me.

I like Lekpowski but that quote is pretty patronising, and if Pulis is "the John Prescott of football" then Tony Mowbray is the George Galloway!

I dislike how a lot of our fans still have a love-in with Mowbray. Yes, he played pretty football and some of the games were great; but he also poo'd on the club from a great height and contradicted a lot of his "project" talk when he left a few days before the season.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 12:25:24 AM
Jonathan Hope ‏@Jonhopeofficial 6m6 minutes ago

I've come along drive from midlands. Tony Pulis will take hotseat at #wba and will control his own transfers. #fact! Night folks xx


To add to Jamie and Bill Howells comments
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Red Stripe on December 31, 2014, 12:26:21 AM
There was an awful lot of Albion fans that would mutter the lines "I couldn't watch that every week" and "I'd rather go down than watch that" every time we faced them.

I noticed they were quoting the old Lepkowski articles on Oatcake earlier where he was quite derogatory of their style  - CL referred to Pulis as "the John Prescott of football".

It could be a little uncomfy for Chris if they appoint Tone, I'm sure he remembers the articles!

For those asking, the irony of it all won't be lost on us.  Probably a good job you've already been to the brit, haha.  That said, I think that a lot of the antagonism between our clubs has faded I think it revved up when we were both vying for promotion then both trying to stay up.  We were in competition for the same spots.  I kinda miss it, was always fun listening to Mowbray's interviews after we'd beaten you.  When we visit I suspect it will be a case of some applause for Pulis, maybe even a song, then 90 mins of taking the **** - which is, of course, as it should be!  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 12:27:25 AM
I am ok with Pulis but we need to get rid of Downing too
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Red Stripe on December 31, 2014, 12:28:57 AM
Well Mowbray and Lekpowski don't speak on behalf of me.

I like Lekpowski but that quote is pretty patronising, and if Pulis is "the John Prescott of football" then Tony Mowbray is the George Galloway!

I dislike how a lot of our fans still have a love-in with Mowbray. Yes, he played pretty football and some of the games were great; but he also poo'd on the club from a great height and contradicted a lot of his "project" talk when he left a few days before the season.

I can remember you sailing against the Mowbray tidal wave on here.  I used to think he'd put something in the water!

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dan7heman on December 31, 2014, 12:33:00 AM
Shocked and appalled Pulis top of the vote. Do you really want to watch that time wasting from minute 1 sheeeeite?

Been said before on here ... would rather go down than have Pulis.. He is the most anti Albion manager of all time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: maccbaggie on December 31, 2014, 12:35:22 AM
Jonathan Hope ‏@Jonhopeofficial 6m6 minutes ago

I've come along drive from midlands. Tony Pulis will take hotseat at #wba and will control his own transfers. #fact! Night folks xx


To add to Jamie and Bill Howells comments
Steve Madeley knows who Pulis' agent is and it isn't him. Has previously claimed to be part of Welbeck's signing before Manchester United denied ever having heard of him. He's not a football agent, he's a lowlife with nothing better to do with his time than pretend to be. He has also served time in prison for possessing child pornography if that's of any interest. Unfollow and spread the word.

Incidentally, according to all the normally reliable sources, it does indeed look like Pulis is close.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on December 31, 2014, 12:36:00 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891817/Tony-Pulis-set-named-West-Brom-manager-turning-chance-Alan-Pardew-Newcastle.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891817/Tony-Pulis-set-named-West-Brom-manager-turning-chance-Alan-Pardew-Newcastle.html)

As good as here?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dan7heman on December 31, 2014, 12:40:42 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891817/Tony-Pulis-set-named-West-Brom-manager-turning-chance-Alan-Pardew-Newcastle.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2891817/Tony-Pulis-set-named-West-Brom-manager-turning-chance-Alan-Pardew-Newcastle.html)

As good as here?

I give up.. I cant watch that type of football... Anti football... Anti Albion.... Anti me going up there.. hurting :(
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Avonbaggie on December 31, 2014, 12:44:27 AM
People stating Albion fans never wanted Pulis are missing the point because Irvine has made that style of football look like Barcelona in comparison.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 31, 2014, 12:46:26 AM
I give up.. I cant watch that type of football... Anti football... Anti Albion.... Anti me going up there.. hurting :(
I never get this logic. You don't get points for being pretty, football is a competitive sport and champions are created by winning games.
When Di Matteo won ugly in Germany with 11 players behind the ball, I don't think the Chelsea fans cared how he did it, nor will the history books.

I'd much rather us be competitive and have a bit of fight than lose more games due to a style. Pulis and his 'ugly' style are vastly over-rated anyway, at home his football isn't too bad.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dan7heman on December 31, 2014, 12:46:44 AM
People stating Albion fans never wanted Pulis are missing the point because Irvine has made that style of football look like Barcelona in comparison.

I seriously hope 99% of Albion fans would want Irvine over Pulis.... And i didnt like Irvine from day one.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie Artist on December 31, 2014, 12:49:57 AM
I never get this logic. You don't get points for being pretty, football is a competitive sport and champions are created by winning games.
When Di Matteo won ugly in Germany with 11 players behind the ball, I don't think the Chelsea fans cared how he did it, nor will the history books.

I'd much rather us be competitive and have a bit of fight than lose more games due to a style. Pulis and his 'ugly' style are vastly over-rated anyway, at home his football isn't too bad.

Our best Premier League finish was playing decent football under Clarke.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dan7heman on December 31, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
I never get this logic. You don't get points for being pretty, football is a competitive sport and champions are created by winning games.
When Di Matteo won ugly in Germany with 11 players behind the ball, I don't think the Chelsea fans cared how he did it, nor will the history books.

I'd much rather us be competitive and have a bit of fight than lose more games due to a style. Pulis and his 'ugly' style are vastly over-rated anyway, at home his football isn't too bad.

Dont get me wrong .. his style works and is undoubtedly effective. But we have all watched Stoke and Palace sides of recent years and thought ... " Thankfully we don't have to watch this every week"  it is negative... destructive .. time wasting.... cynical football. We are Albion.. we have a legacy of playing football the right way.. If Pulis gets the job it is the worst decision and goes against everything we have all stood for.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBArgo on December 31, 2014, 12:55:55 AM
Our best Premier League finish was playing decent football under Clarke.

But the two don't go hand in hand. You can't just turn up and expect to win because your football is pretty. If it is, then it is a very nice bonus, but nothing else. For instance, Chelsea play far uglier football under Mourinho than they did with Scolari who was the definition of attacking. Mourinho is still better, but happens to be defensive.
Another example closer to home is Steve Clarke. Yes, he did excellent one year, but awful the next. Hodgson who was far more defensive never looked like relegating us either.

It makes me smile how some people are criticising us for going after the manager of the year.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: sconesy on December 31, 2014, 01:07:00 AM
Dont get me wrong .. his style works and is undoubtedly effective. But we have all watched Stoke and Palace sides of recent years and thought ... " Thankfully we don't have to watch this every week"  it is negative... destructive .. time wasting.... cynical football. We are Albion.. we have a legacy of playing football the right way.. If Pulis gets the job it is the worst decision and goes against everything we have all stood for.

So please explain....just which managers of recent years have produced this 'Champagne' footbal we're associated with then? Pepe (farce), Clarke (early doors maybe), Roy (some great counter attacking at times granted), RDM (glimpses, but often naive), Mowbray (great in the champ, complete fantasy football in the Prem). Oh yes then of course the dynamic passing football of the Robson era, or dare I say it....the Barca-esque style of Sir Gary Megson! The delights of Little, Gould or Burkinshaw!!! Let's scrape the barrel, and pick a season in the third tier with Ozzie (ironically a season when we were outclassed by Stoke!!)....are we really renowned for 'lovely stuff'...... or is it that we just can't let go of the late seventies and the three degrees?!!!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 31, 2014, 01:27:01 AM
So please explain....just which managers of recent years have produced this 'Champagne' footbal we're associated with then? Pepe (farce), Clarke (early doors maybe), Roy (some great counter attacking at times granted), RDM (glimpses, but often naive), Mowbray (great in the champ, complete fantasy football in the Prem). Oh yes then of course the dynamic passing football of the Robson era, or dare I say it....the Barca-esque style of Sir Gary Megson! The delights of Little, Gould or Burkinshaw!!! Let's scrape the barrel, and pick a season in the third tier with Ozzie (ironically a season when we were outclassed by Stoke!!)....are we really renowned for 'lovely stuff'...... or is it that we just can't let go of the late seventies and the three degrees?!!!!
well done you've got more points there than Irvine got us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Pie on December 31, 2014, 01:40:16 AM
For once I'm posting on here as I usually just like to read opinions, but thought I would stick my oar in.

I used to absolutely HATE Pulis, I thought he was an ignorant (insert word here) and that his Stoke side got by on luck, bullying and whatever other reasoning came to my head at the time. But during his time at Palace I genuinely warmed to him at a time when I was becoming disillusioned with the game with our fiasco. He had the team full of average players playing with 100% passion and pride for the club, scoring some great goals especially through wing play. Whilst Palace and Pulis were getting all the media attention for how well they were doing we were a laughing stock.

My outstanding choice would be Pulis, I'm not saying it's a guarantee that we stay up but I'm guaranteeing that we start seeing true fight and passion in the team, and that the no hopers and the players that have been taking the club for an easy ride for too long will soon be sorted right out. I'm fed up and bored of seeing the club I was once proud to support being made a mockery of! I want to be able to wear my Albion shirt in public again with pride knowing that we are once again a great club to support. In my opinion A figure like Pulis would help get us back on the straight and narrow.

I can also understand the viewpoint on the style of football that people are worried about, but right now we need results (and we haven't played good football for a while now) and I would rather see us come home with a few points and some pride than a zilch.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2014, 01:47:59 AM
This season is now about getting results by any means necessary. We're in a relegation battle and Pulis has the experience and capability of getting us out of it. Style of play doesn't matter in the short term, maybe in the long term it's up for discussion but for now it's about staying in the league. A run in the FA Cup would be a nice bonus too.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggies on December 31, 2014, 02:33:31 AM
Gutted if it's Pulis, despite the logic. Will feel like we've sold out.

I agree with you frazzle. My biggest problem is that lack of consistency and as Mowbray said in today's interview, the fact we are making a decision which would possibly tear up the "identity" we have built over the last 8 years.

It shows just how much of a shambles we have been over the last 2 years and why I feel very apathetic about the club as a whole.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Cornwallbaggie on December 31, 2014, 02:56:21 AM
I would have to agree with the sentiments of Pie.


My outstanding choice would be Pulis, I'm not saying it's a guarantee that we stay up but I'm guaranteeing that we start seeing true fight and passion in the team, and that the no hopers and the players that have been taking the club for an easy ride for too long will soon be sorted right out. I'm fed up and bored of seeing the club I was once proud to support being made a mockery of! I want to be able to wear my Albion shirt in public again with pride knowing that we are once again a great club to support. In my opinion A figure like Pulis would help get us back on the straight and narrow.

I believe it was the great Spurs manager Bill Nicholson who (ironically, given the fine football played by his teams) told his players that in any football match there were in fact two games being played: a game of football and a game of 'goals'. The latter was always the most important.

Pulis has an uncompromising approach, but he also has an excellent record of improving quite good players; they understand their individual roles, and function effectively within a team that is always cohesive and focused. That is surely our immediate priority.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 31, 2014, 07:20:10 AM
What is 'Pulis football?'
At Stoke he worked with a load of thugs and bullies and had an effective but not easy on the eye style.
At Palace he had a side that out footballed us.
I'd say he's adaptable and works with what he's got. Play to your strengths type of football.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: gavinrussell on December 31, 2014, 07:24:32 AM
If its Pulis then half of the current lot will be gone...they are far too small...prepare for an influx of uncompromising journey men...Crouch..Adam and Whelen are out of contract at Stoke and available in this transfer window...I have lost count of how many games home and away I have watched over the last 50 years...but if its him or Sherwood then the Man City at home game will be my last for quite a considerable time...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 31, 2014, 07:28:01 AM
Love seeing all the 'I secretly liked Pulis really' posts.

 ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Sessegod on December 31, 2014, 07:49:45 AM
With regards to pulis, i think what he did at Palace should be convincing enough for us.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on December 31, 2014, 07:57:16 AM
An issue with Sherwood could be that the backroom people he wanted are currently with QPR so would require compensation.

Hopefully it's Pullis anyway if it means getting shot of the current backroom staff. He would also move the players out of their comfort zone.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Tatnam baggie on December 31, 2014, 07:59:52 AM
Surely with the current crop of managers available at the moment it has to be Tony pulis. Surely looking at the current situation at the Albion,not next season or the one after because the way Albion have done things with managers,we don't do long turn. Albion needs someone who can go in and kick ass with the current crop of players,get players who are going to put a shift in,no shrinking violets needed now. No thanks to JP and Irvine we have dropped a lot of points lately of which we needed because are run in at the end of the season is a very tough one. That's why we need  Tony Pulis.  Some of his football at Stoke & Palace was really good at times. Albion has been no better. Pulis will get the results needed. He's always got the better of the Albion. Manager of the season. He's a perfect fit for now & we get to stick 2 fingers up at Stoke fans. ( for a change). Come on tony. Albion need you!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 08:02:26 AM
As I've said previously this anti Albion, anti football stuff is nonsense.

Albion have not played decent football in years.

Under Hodgson the football wasn't great but it was effective. Remember going to the Britannia and getting a result in one of his first games in charge?

Like hodgson Pulis knows how to win games and at the moment that's all that matters.

People say that we played good football under Clarke. Sometime yes but his short success was using what Hodgson had already built.

We need organisation and leadership and Pulis will bring that in spades.

If we have to win a few games by parking the bus and winning 1-0 then so be it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 31, 2014, 08:10:25 AM
If it is Pulis it will be interesting to see what he does with this side.  I think the defence will be better organised but Wisdom will continue to be favoured at right back. Neither he or Pocognoli will get forward as much. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Baird more at left back. I would be amazed if we don't see the return of Yacob and Mulumbu in centre mid. The rest of the team is anyone's guess. I think Pulis might favour Brunt and Gardner over Morrison and Dorrans. Another winger is needed this January and you'd expect another striker to come in too.  Not sure where that will leave Sessegnon, Blanco and Samaras.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: swad35 on December 31, 2014, 08:13:16 AM
Can we not do this again, IF Pulis gets the job then we will be getting a proven premiership manager who was manager of the year last year and kept two average teams in the premiere league for a number of years.

I can see why AI was criticised unproven etc  and I did it myself but let's give the new manager some games before we go through all that again.

Everyone's opinion counts but almost seems like moaning for moaning sake and his appointment will not please everyone but FFS the bloke hasn't signed a piece of paper yet and we are going on about the "Albion way" etc

I'm starting to wonder really I am what WE have turned into.

Sorry rant over
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 31, 2014, 08:18:49 AM
I loved watching the football we played under Tony Mowbray the best I have seen. However against poor championship teams we looked vulnerable at the back. Tony Pulis will make us hard to beat, organized disciplined and he has the quality to win us enough games.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Chipperfan on December 31, 2014, 08:28:47 AM
As a regular supporter since the 1960s I'm not at all clear what the "Albion way" is.

Yes, we had great years between 1966 and 1970 under Hagan and Ashman but then came Howe and four years of rubbish. Then Giles came along and got us playing and winning again, followed by Allen and Atkinson when obviously we were majestic.

But since then? I don't know the stats but I would imagine we lost more games then we won in the 80s and 90s while playing dreadful football and our results and performances have been up and down for most if the years since.

I don't care much for Pulis or Sherwood, but I care a damn sight less for seeing Albion lose week in week out and right at the moment I just want a Manager or Coach who will bring some level if success.

Recently I haven't really wanted to go to the games, it has been so depressing. If either Tony or Tim can change that, by whatever means, I'll be happy.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2014, 08:30:02 AM
Looks like Hughton is about to land the Brighton job.  That'll be one of the back-up options out of the way
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 08:34:43 AM
This "Albion way" stuff really is bllx and also pointless. Pulis is a damn good manager who is currently manager of the year. What the hell else do some of you want?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: darbolina on December 31, 2014, 08:38:34 AM
Great football teams are built over time. They're usually built on good, solid defences (think of the great Leeds, Liverpool or Utd teams in the past). Then added to this is flair, creativity and goals. These things take time. Whoever it is next, everyone needs to chill and wait a year or two before judging. It took 2years for Roy's work to pay off (with the results during SCs tenure).

If it means a few years of Pulis making us solid then someone then someone else coming in to add some additional elements then that's ok by me. Everyone needs to stop judging so quickly and panicking so much. The worst case scenario of us going down this year, Pulis would be one of the best men around to get us back up too. I can't see a downside at the moment. If you don't like the way he sets the team up it's your choice to not turn up. I can't remember too many empty seats under Robson, Megson in the premier. Mowbray was a great idealist but he failed badly at premier level when at the same time Pulis was a realist who then over time developed Stoke into a better team. We now need a mini revolution with the long term potential for evolution.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 31, 2014, 08:43:02 AM
I'm beginning to think the question that should be asked is do we WBA fans want Premier League football or do we want to see flair & outright attacking wing play.
I agree the PL is a greed league but I'd rather play against the best rather than beat Rotherham 4-0 (sorry Rotherham just plucked a team out of thin air)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: telford baggie on December 31, 2014, 08:45:46 AM
Can we not do this again, IF Pulis gets the job then we will be getting a proven premiership manager who was manager of the year last year and kept two average teams in the premiere league for a number of years.

I can see why AI was criticised unproven etc  and I did it myself but let's give the new manager some games before we go through all that again.

Everyone's opinion counts but almost seems like moaning for moaning sake and his appointment will not please everyone but FFS the bloke hasn't signed a piece of paper yet and we are going on about the "Albion way" etc

I'm starting to wonder really I am what WE have turned into.

Sorry rant over
i agree with you about tony pulis he is a proven manager and that is what we have all been shouting for...ok the way they played at stoke wasnt great but thats the team he built because thats the way he got the best out of stoke...but then at palace he made them hard to beat and also a good attacking team that stayed up with ease.
now the way i look at it the players are to comfy and need a good kick up the ass and shown whos boss they all need a new purpose and at this moment in time pulis is that man for me.  AI was unproven and nobody wanted that including me but surely sherwood is very much unproven aswell he done ok with spurs but look at there multi million pound team apart from spurs he hasnt done anything so he would be a big gamble just like irvine was at the moment...sometimes i look at the team and think do we really have that good a team to play the so called albion way!! but what is that i havent seen us play well for a couple of years so where we are now doesnt suprise me at all...we need the passion back and we need the fans back
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 31, 2014, 08:46:24 AM
Tony Mowbray interview:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02g497z

The last few seconds of the interview is the conundrum as I see it, does JP rip up everything he & the football club have stood for over the last 8 years to guarantee premiership survival?
To some extent, Tony Pulis's style of football wouldn't bother me too much, but I think he would want ready made players, so where would that leave our player development strategy?
Pulis may well get us over the immediate hurdle, but I'm not sure he's the answer in the long term.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 31, 2014, 08:46:47 AM
I think it's a sad state of affairs that many fans seem to think that the only way we can get wins is to play turgid, cynical football. There are clubs in the Prem that are not much different to us who are doing well and being entertaining at the same time (e.g. Swansea). It's not a question of playing one way and you win and playing another way and you lose.

It's more expensive to watch football than ever now, so I don't think it's unreasonable for those shelling out hard-earned cash to want to get some entertainment in return for their money. Those saying that they don't care what the football's like as long as we win, deep down is that how you really feel? Also, bear in mind that the style of play isn't just about the polar opposites of champagne football and the ultimate in boring football, there are many ways to play, including those which can make you difficult to beat whilst still looking good when you have the ball.

Whoever we bring in has to get some wins quickly. If we assume we won't get any points in the last 5 games (and we don't want to be in a position of needing to get more points going into them) then, if our target is 40 points, we need to get 23 points in our next 14 games, so playing for draws isn't going to be an option.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2014, 08:47:40 AM
I am also a but confused about "the Albion way". Its got out of proportion and, like everything, there is middle ground.

The stakes of survival in the PL have risen to an all-tine high.  Survival is sacrosanct. I certainly wouldn't want to see us playing like the "Stoke of old", but I think Pulis is about far more than that as he proved at Palace last season, and had shown at Stoke during his last season or two there. The man gets results.

Week in, week out we bemoan our team's poor work ethic, low concentration, lack of tactical awareness etc - all the things that Stoke were good at.

Pulis would have a talented footballing squad at his disposal and we need to back him to turn the squad into one which wins more points than at present. If he wins the job if course.

The new club role models in the PL are Swansea, Southampton and Stoke.  They have an identity, they stick to it, and they are good at it. We used to be one of those clubs up until 2 years ago when Ashworth left.  Peace needs to tear up parts of his blueprint and compromise in certain areas, but restoring PL stability has to be prioritised ahead of playing football "the Albion way".

Above all, Peace needs to restore some ambition for the club.  We need to aim for top 10 and if we fall a bit short then we will still be safe. If we aim for 15th or 16th then the margin of survival is too tight for comfort.  Oh, and decent attempts at Cup progress.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 31, 2014, 08:48:45 AM
I loved watching the football we played under Tony Mowbray the best I have seen. However against poor championship teams we looked vulnerable at the back.
We didn't have very good defenders though did we?! The current crop are on a diffferent planet to those we had back then (Donk, Zuiverloon etc).
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 08:49:15 AM
Attractive, flair football soon gets boring if you're losing every week and the attraction in that soon disappears. Anyone remember the Denis Smith days? We always tried to play football, it got us nowhere and the fans couldn't wait to get rid of him. When Atletico Madrid won the Spanish league last season I wonder how many of their fans moaned about the football?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stever60 on December 31, 2014, 08:49:26 AM
So please explain....just which managers of recent years have produced this 'Champagne' footbal we're associated with then? Pepe (farce), Clarke (early doors maybe), Roy (some great counter attacking at times granted), RDM (glimpses, but often naive), Mowbray (great in the champ, complete fantasy football in the Prem). Oh yes then of course the dynamic passing football of the Robson era, or dare I say it....the Barca-esque style of Sir Gary Megson! The delights of Little, Gould or Burkinshaw!!! Let's scrape the barrel, and pick a season in the third tier with Ozzie (ironically a season when we were outclassed by Stoke!!)....are we really renowned for 'lovely stuff'...... or is it that we just can't let go of the late seventies and the three degrees?!!!!
Good post..........fans really do need to get real
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 08:50:35 AM
I'll be quite disapointed if it isn't Pulis now, after the u-turn i've made.

I make no secret that 12 months ago I would have hated the idea of Pulis turning up in the home dug out at the hawthorns.

The thing for me is during the last few years people have said thing like, 'we're too nice'. In fact there were a few on here slating Foster for kicking the ball out of play against Man City because a player was down injured. I think Pulis will give us a bit of grit and fight we desperatly need.

You must not underestimate how big a rebuild job is needed at the Albion, both with the internal structure and also the playing squad. We are very fortunate to be in the premier league. We need to get over the line before our final five games and then in the summer we can look to change a few things.

This appointment for me is all about getting safe by any means necessary, as I say if that means grinding a few 1-0 wins then so be it.

Pulis doesn't guarantee safety but what he does guarantee is that the team will be properly prepared for their next game and that the 11 on the pitch will be giving 100%. I cannot say honestly remember the last time the whole 11 players on the pitch gave 100% for albion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 08:52:35 AM
One further point - why do people assume that Pulis would play boring football? He didn't at Palace. Pulis will look at what he has available then decide how he can play that gets results i would expect.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 31, 2014, 08:56:26 AM
Tony Mowbray interview:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02g497z
Thanks for digging that out. Mogga is always good to listen to; that he speaks eloquently and figuratively shouldn't be regarded as a stick to beat him with.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 08:58:33 AM
One further point - why do people assume that Pulis would play boring football? He didn't at Palace. Pulis will look at what he has available then decide how he can play that gets results i would expect.

Exactly right. He is very much in the Hodgson mould. He will play to the sqaud strengths.

If that means brunt and morrison play then so be it, all I ask is 100% is given by all.

Pulis isn't daft he knew that to get Stoke from where they were he needed to play a type of football that got results. He used the long ball often and it worked. You could see at points he was trying to change it while in the premier league and perhaps he chose the wrong times to try that.

At Palace he played to the teams strengths as well.

I suspect given our squad it'll be somewhere between the Stoke football and the stuff he played at Palace.

Or at least that's my hope anyway.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: swad35 on December 31, 2014, 08:58:50 AM
Someone made the point earlier if we go down who would you want leading you in the dogfight that is the championship, Pullis or Sherwood?

Got to be Pullis all day.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 31, 2014, 09:00:13 AM
Lepkowski really loves Pulis.

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=14614.75 (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=14614.75)

If we do appoint Pulis I would just like to say good luck Chris.

Some snipppets here:

Tony Pulis: A man to make any Albion fan wince.

It’s not so much the concept of a man in his mid-50s wearing a baseball cap that is so offensive – racing drivers and rap artists are the only adults who should wear them – nor even the way his sides play football.

Speaking of Christmas presents, one could be mistaken for thinking that Tony Pulis will be finding a Table Football under his tree tomorrow. It'll be the kind of Table Football game which has a row of nine defenders lining up across the width of the pitch in front of the 18-yard box. If you turn the handle quickly enough you can even get one of the 'players' to launch the ball down the pitch. One could also be mistaken for thinking it's where the Stoke manager takes his inspiration from.

It's difficult being complimentary about a side who rely on percentages as much as an accountant and who simply are soiling the game.

English football is going through an image crisis right now - it needs Stoke's brand of play like it needs a hole in the head.

No amount of spirit, clenched fists, bulging veins or strikers running down channels in pursuit of long balls will change that.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lonions on December 31, 2014, 09:03:34 AM
Good post..........fans really do need to get real

Well said indeed, at least we will see a side ready to battle for the cause!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 09:07:21 AM
Lepkowski really loves Pulis.

http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=14614.75 (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=14614.75)

If we do appoint Pulis I would just like to say good luck Chris.

Some snipppets here:

Tony Pulis: A man to make any Albion fan wince.

It’s not so much the concept of a man in his mid-50s wearing a baseball cap that is so offensive – racing drivers and rap artists are the only adults who should wear them – nor even the way his sides play football.

Speaking of Christmas presents, one could be mistaken for thinking that Tony Pulis will be finding a Table Football under his tree tomorrow. It'll be the kind of Table Football game which has a row of nine defenders lining up across the width of the pitch in front of the 18-yard box. If you turn the handle quickly enough you can even get one of the 'players' to launch the ball down the pitch. One could also be mistaken for thinking it's where the Stoke manager takes his inspiration from.

It's difficult being complimentary about a side who rely on percentages as much as an accountant and who simply are soiling the game.

English football is going through an image crisis right now - it needs Stoke's brand of play like it needs a hole in the head.

No amount of spirit, clenched fists, bulging veins or strikers running down channels in pursuit of long balls will change that.

I'm going to be honest here. CL was a hot head and by that I mean if something upset him he very rarely thought before he spoke out.

He did it a few times with fans over the years who dared to question the information he shared.

A lot of the comments were probably posted within an hour or two of the game.

Places like twitter, this forum or writing articles are dangerous straight after games as people tend to get carried away.

I'm sure he more than anyone realises the mess were in and if he's got anything about him, he'll walk up to Pulis, explain himself, apologies and everyone moves on.

I'm sure Pulis has probably never seen his articles anyway.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: mulliganstired on December 31, 2014, 09:14:42 AM
If its Pulis his first meeting with Jonas might be interesting..,
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: iwastherein68 on December 31, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
Look at Pulis's record in the transfer market, and tell me you would give him last say in transfers. I will make it easy for you, never sold anyone for a profit on purchase price. Spent £10m plus for Kenwyn Jones, £8m for Wilson Palacios and many more, check it out.
Sherwood, too much of a risk.
Martin Jol for me. 
And by the way can people stop making disparaging remarks about Gary Megson - how I wish we had someone like him to sort these players out. Different times I know but never forget, the guy who first (and second) got us into the Prem despite having little support from the hierarchy.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 09:17:41 AM

I remember a story about Big Ron once changing the studs in the 78/79 squad's boots for one match during that terrible winter, neglecting to tell anyone else of course, thus giving us that extra edge. THAT'S the way forward  ;)

Mulumbu and Yacob with knuckledusters.....

did he not have us use astroturf "boots" on a frosty pitch and we played the oppo off the park.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 31, 2014, 09:18:21 AM
Look at Pulis's record in the transfer market, and tell me you would give him last say in transfers. I will make it easy for you, never sold anyone for a profit on purchase price. Spent £10m plus for Kenwyn Jones, £8m for Wilson Palacios and many more, check it out.
Sherwood, too much of a risk.
Martin Jol for me.

Jols retired now. Heart not in it anymore apparently.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 31, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Pulis and JP. It's a marriage made in hell, they might be saying the right things at the moment, but when both revert to type..............
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 09:20:04 AM
Look at Pulis's record in the transfer market, and tell me you would give him last say in transfers. I will make it easy for you, never sold anyone for a profit on purchase price. Spent £10m plus for Kenwyn Jones, £8m for Wilson Palacios and many more, check it out.
Sherwood, too much of a risk.
Martin Jol for me.


There's not a manager around that hasn't made bad buys. Even Sir Alex signed Juan Veron, Gabriel Obertan, Djemmba Djemmba, Bellion, Forlan .....................
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
And by the way can people stop making disparaging remarks about Gary Megson - how I wish we had someone like him to sort these players out. Different times I know but never forget, the guy who first (and second) got us into the Prem despite having little support from the hierarchy.

There is.

Tony Pulis  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 09:40:01 AM
Look at Pulis's record in the transfer market, and tell me you would give him last say in transfers. I will make it easy for you, never sold anyone for a profit on purchase price. Spent £10m plus for Kenwyn Jones, £8m for Wilson Palacios and many more, check it out.
Sherwood, too much of a risk.
Martin Jol for me. 
And by the way can people stop making disparaging remarks about Gary Megson - how I wish we had someone like him to sort these players out. Different times I know but never forget, the guy who first (and second) got us into the Prem despite having little support from the hierarchy.

Er yes that would be Pulis no?

You mention Pulis fails in the transfer market, yet all managers have fails.

He signed some decent players too Shawcross £1-2m?, Begovic £3m?, Fuller £500k? all pretty cheap... Joe Ledley 700k at Palace..
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 09:46:07 AM
What is 'Pulis football?'
At Stoke he worked with a load of thugs and bullies and had an effective but not easy on the eye style.
At Palace he had a side that out footballed us.
I'd say he's adaptable and works with what he's got. Play to your strengths type of football.

Keep hearing he works with what he has got, fair enough but at Stoke he built those teams and at great cost, he wasn't a troubleshooter parachuted in, he paid good money and built those ugly sides, 7 years at Stoke and he never once made them more stylish despite massive spending.

He worked with what he had at Palace, granted, but what is more telling the 6 months at Palace or the 7 years at Stoke.

 
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 09:48:36 AM
As I've said previously this anti Albion, anti football stuff is nonsense.

Albion have not played decent football in years.

I agree we haven't but why should just accept that we are now an ugly team, why shouldn't we play with a bit of style, strive for some flair, some entertainment - plenty of clubs our size manage to.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Dudleylad on December 31, 2014, 09:52:56 AM
Has anyone actually listened to Pulis on programs like Goals on Sunday, hes said he would like nothiing more than to play organised yet attractive football if the players at his disposal were able to.

As someone else has said he did this at Palace.

At Stoke he tried to bring more attack minded players in but the mentality had been set and it was difficult for them to change.

We need effective results driven football at he moment lets face it Hodgson wasnt exactly fancy dan in his approac
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 31, 2014, 09:53:44 AM
I'm finding it hilarious all this anti Albion, anti football rubbish people are coming out with!

Keep it coming lads

If you think Pulis is anti football then what we witnessed under AI was non football
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 09:59:33 AM
Has anyone actually listened to Pulis on programs like Goals on Sunday, hes said he would like nothiing more than to play organised yet attractive football if the players at his disposal were able to.

So why didn't he do that Stoke?  He was there for 7 years and was given a fantastic budget year upon year, if he wanted attractive football why didn't he change it up, he had the financial clout to do so, he chose not too.

Words are cheap, proof is in the pudding.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 31, 2014, 09:59:46 AM
If something is not announced today I will start to be apprehensive.

To me pulis is the short term choice to keep us up and kick backsides. We need a strong experienced manager. He will have respect from players immediately.

Sherwood I think is intriguing. In terms of enjoyable football he's probably the longer term choice but would we stay up in the short term??

Interesting choice.  JP will choose pulis because financially short term he wants the £60m over style of football.

Also, the gate vs Gateshead would have been v low I suspect. With a new manager it might add an extra 7-8k on the gate. An extra £130k revenue, plus commercial. helps pay towards wages of new manager??
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: frazzle on December 31, 2014, 10:00:02 AM
I'm finding it hilarious all this anti Albion, anti football rubbish people are coming out with!

Keep it coming lads

If you think Pulis is anti football then what we witnessed under AI was non football

If Pulis is appointed and he plays Stoke football, then expect more apathy from albion fans.  His Palace team did seem to be more entertaining however he wasn't there a full season so wasn't able to fully stamp his band of football on the team.

I get the logic of appointing him but if people have been moaning v about players such as Gamboa not getting a game, do they seriously expect Pulis to play him?

Whoever gets the job will have my backing and I hope that they will restore some pride back into the club.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: spencer Baggie on December 31, 2014, 10:00:25 AM
IMO the current situation is akin to when we took Meson on.

We needed someone to organise and and galvanise the team (club) and this is what I believe Pulis would do.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: frazzle on December 31, 2014, 10:01:54 AM
So why didn't he do that Stoke?  He was there for 7 years and was given a fantastic budget year upon year, if he wanted attractive football why didn't he change it up, he had the financial clout to do so, he chose not too.

Spot on. The Stoke team must be how he wantsto set up his perfect side given the length of time he was there.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 10:02:20 AM
I'm finding it hilarious all this anti Albion, anti football rubbish people are coming out with!

Keep it coming lads

If you think Pulis is anti football then what we witnessed under AI was non football

Yep it hasn't been great but why should we be excited about more of the same?  Why shouldn't we strive to be entertained...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 10:03:19 AM
Winning for me is entertaining.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 10:05:31 AM
Yep it hasn't been great but why should we be excited about more of the same?  Why shouldn't we strive to be entertained...

Don't disagree.

However a few points:

- How can you be sure Pulis will not play entertaining football?
- Dec/Jan (midseason) is not the time to be changing the way we are playing, surely that's a job for the summer?
- We need to stay in the preimer league by anyway we can
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 31, 2014, 10:12:21 AM
Don't disagree.

However a few points:

- How can you be sure Pulis will not play entertaining football?
- Dec/Jan (midseason) is not the time to be changing the way we are playing, surely that's a job for the summer?
- We need to stay in the preimer league by anyway we can
Apparently history is everything (when it suits).
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on December 31, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
I'm quite intrigued by those saying "whatever it takes to stay in the Premier League...". I presume it's at least partly because they want to see the best players playing at The Hawthorns? If so, you also seem happy for us to employ every tedious and cynical tactic we can muster to negate those same players and, in so doing, make the game a turgid affair to watch? That's a bit of a paradox, wouldn't you agree?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: hardtobeat on December 31, 2014, 10:13:12 AM
The whole club needs a boot up the backside! it was blatantly obvious on Boxing Day the acceptance of the ordinary had overcome most (players,fans old Uncle Tom Cobbley and all) we need re invigorating somebody to put replace lethargy with energy get the club buzzing.  Both Pulis and Sherwood could do this. if reports are correct that Pulis is already laying down what he wants that IMO is a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 10:14:28 AM
Don't disagree.

However a few points:

- How can you be sure Pulis will not play entertaining football?
- Dec/Jan (midseason) is not the time to be changing the way we are playing, surely that's a job for the summer?
- We need to stay in the preimer league by anyway we can

Absolutely take your 3 points, I don’t know what style he’ll adopt, I really hope he follows the Palace model rather than Stoke and obviously survival is paramount above everything else this season.

I suppose my concern is the possibility that 2 years down the line and we are playing the ‘Stoke way’, the football is loathsome, we have barely any players who can get us out of our seats, crowds begin to dwindle (like they did at Stoke) and people begin to coin the phrase “but can he do it on a wet miserable Tuesday night in West Bromwich!”
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 10:15:08 AM
Winning for me is entertaining.

Agree. It's a results business, id rather watch us winning games and finishing top 10 every season in the top tier playing naff football, rather than playing lovely football and playing in League 2.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 10:16:19 AM
The whole club needs a boot up the backside! it was blatantly obvious on Boxing Day the acceptance of the ordinary had overcome most (players,fans old Uncle Tom Cobbley and all) we need re invigorating somebody to put replace lethargy with energy get the club buzzing.  Both Pulis and Sherwood could do this. if reports are correct that Pulis is already laying down what he wants that IMO is a step in the right direction.


Yep the place is stale. There is no belief, there is no passion. We have players coming out in the press with nicey, nicey comments and doing very little to earn their money.

The club needs a shake up, big time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 10:19:25 AM
I suppose my concern is the possibility that 2 years down the line and we are playing the ‘Stoke way’, the football is loathsome, we have barely any players who can get us out of our seats, crowds begin to dwindle (like they did at Stoke) and people begin to coin the phrase “but can he do it on a wet miserable Tuesday night in West Bromwich!”

I share your concern, however the way I look at it he's unlikely to be here in two years time beacuse he'll either get fed up of JP and walk, he'll get sacked or if he's doing really well could end up with a bigger job. So I can't see it will ever get to that point personally.

My biggest concern with Pulis is not the football but more the time wasting we saw while he was at stoke. While I am happy to watch us pump the ball in the box or park the bus and nick a win or get a bit physical (I have previously said we must win but all means necessary) what I don't want to see is cheating like constant time wasting etc. That is my only concern.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 10:19:42 AM
I hear that Pulis has told the club that he wants £2m a year plus a 'survival bonus'. He's happy with the structure of the club and having to work with Terry Burton but he wants full control of the footballing side of the club, including decisions on all transfers, which he wants in his contract. Apparently they left yesterday with 'take it or leave it'.

Imo Sherwood on the other hand, would clearly be the cheaper option. JP will know now if he goes for Sherwood it will be 2nd choice and cheaper option and will anger a lot of the fans again. He'll use the excuse of 'we didn't want to change the philosophy we have spent the last 8 years building so Sherwood was always the number 1 target'  ::)

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggie96 on December 31, 2014, 10:22:54 AM
We've got pulis, he has money to spend in January as well.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 10:24:20 AM
I hear that Pulis has told the club that he wants £2m a year plus a 'survival bonus'. He's happy with the structure of the club and having to work with Terry Burton but he wants full control of the footballing side of the club, including decisions on all transfers, which he wants in his contract. Apparently they left yesterday with 'take it or leave it'.

Imo Sherwood on the other hand, would clearly be the cheaper option. JP will know now if he goes for Sherwood it will be 2nd choice and cheaper option and will anger a lot of the fans again. He'll use the excuse of 'we didn't want to change the philosophy we have spend the last 8 years building so Sherwood was always the number 1 target'  ::)

To be fair, we need Pulis more than he needs us. He knows that the likely hood of one of Hull or Leciester will be available in the next few weeks is high. Can't say i'd blame him for upping the stakes.

It'll be interesting now to see which way JP turns because up until now he's gotten away quite lightly but if he does go down the wrong route it could be the start of his decline with the fans if he's not careful.

We've got pulis, he has money to spend in January as well.

The last bit of that does sound very unlike JP but we shall see.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 31, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
We've got pulis, he has money to spend in January as well.
Source please.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 10:29:15 AM
Source please.

Twitter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2892291/Tony-Pulis-revealed-West-Brom-manager-New-Year-s-Day-rejecting-chance-Newcastle-United.html
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 10:29:52 AM
Tony Pulis to be named tomorrow.

Tony Pulis will be announced as West Bromwich Albion’s new manager on New Years Day after agreeing a two-and-a-half year deal to take over from Alan Irvine after rejection the chance to take over at Newcastle.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2892291/Tony-Pulis-revealed-West-Brom-manager-New-Year-s-Day-rejecting-chance-Newcastle-United.html
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 10:30:45 AM
TP is here to kick ass


in the short term fantastic appointment
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 10:32:55 AM
Interesting because its not even a rolling contract anymore. A very evident change.

(assuming the article is correct)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 10:33:41 AM
Bringing his own assistant (David Kemp)

TB &/or KD must be on way out surely
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 31, 2014, 10:39:11 AM
Source please.

He always knows stuff, he obviously can't name his source!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 10:39:37 AM
Bringing his own assistant (David Kemp)

TB &/or KD must be on way out surely

I hope so but don't forget Irvine brought someone with him as well. Be interesting to see if Gerry Francis comes as well, if he does then that would see Downing gone for sure or moved to a different role.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cheesyknackers on December 31, 2014, 10:41:10 AM
If its true .... Great News.....

Very Happy New Year ................. :) :) :) :) :) :)

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 10:42:39 AM
I hope so but don't forget Irvine brought someone with him as well. Be interesting to see if Gerry Francis comes as well, if he does then that would see Downing gone for sure or moved to a different role.

Francis apparently only did two days a week at Stoke, so possibly still room for Downing.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Bazabaggie73 on December 31, 2014, 10:43:15 AM
Tony pulis
http://dailym.ai/1EHZIEU
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 10:43:19 AM
Downing will be gone for sure.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 10:43:40 AM
I don't believe anything until it's official, not with Albion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
no disrespect to Downing but he needs a fresh start somewhere else
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 10:44:58 AM
no disrespect to Downing but he needs a fresh start somewhere else


Molineux
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 31, 2014, 10:45:52 AM
Just to put this out there about everybody wanting Downing out, if he did stay I think Pulis is strong enought to beat the clique.

I thinking the warning it sends out to the players that are coasting is more important than actually being rid of them.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: valleybaggie on December 31, 2014, 10:46:37 AM
now the players have to start putting the effort in no chance of certain players putting in rubbish performances getting on the team sheet week in week out.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 10:46:48 AM

Molineux



they would welcome him too, some still say he was there best footballer
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 10:47:25 AM
Just to put this out there about everybody wanting Downing out, if he did stay I think Pulis is strong enought to beat the clique.

I thinking the warning it sends out to the players that are coasting is more important than actually being rid of them.

There is going to be friction with Pulis and some players for sure, I don't want them running to uncle Downing.

He needs to go.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 10:49:28 AM
Indepedant now claim Sherwood talks have stopped.

Tim Sherwood talks with West Brom break down - Tony Pulis installed as favourite

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-talks-with-west-brom-break-down--tony-pulis-installed-as-favourite-9951340.html
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 10:53:41 AM
I don't believe anything until it's official, not with Albion.

This.

I will await until I can see a picture of him holding an Albion scarf wearing an Albion hat.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 10:54:09 AM
This.

I will await until I can see a picture of him holding an Albion scarf wearing an Albion hat.

You mean baseball cap  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 10:55:12 AM
He does look a plonker wearing his cap. You do NOT wear a cap if you wear glasses, looks silly!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 10:56:58 AM
Bet some of our players are shitting there pants, they might actually need to perform now.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 10:57:27 AM
A few thoughts,

1. If JP has compromised the structure / philosophy to get the club moving forward again, Bloody good on him.

2. If TP has control over player recruitment it has to be a good thing, the head coach should have an investment in the players success.

3. 2.5 years contract for TP (& staff) is a serious investment by JP, lets see some continuity now please.

4. I think TP has taken cups fairly seriously in the past (cue statto's) as its our main opportunity for "success" Please, Please, lets get everyone at the club working towards this, Nothing lifts a club more than a good cup run IMO.

5. This Jan transfer window is critical, I assume TP has been given assurances that cash is available, lets ALL get behind the players old and new and put an end to this clique stuff (myself included). if they don't like what TP brings, then ship em out and get a squad that wants to work for TP and the club.

This could be the best day since Roy joined !!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 31, 2014, 10:58:56 AM
Looks like we will be getting a cap or a gilet in our dugout soon  :P
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 10:59:48 AM
I don't believe anything until it's official, not with Albion.

You'll be waiting 2 weeks then
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 11:00:52 AM
Indepedant now claim Sherwood talks have stopped.

Tim Sherwood talks with West Brom break down - Tony Pulis installed as favourite

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-talks-with-west-brom-break-down--tony-pulis-installed-as-favourite-9951340.html



Richard Garlick sporting director led the recruitment process?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 11:01:16 AM
Bet some of our players are shitting there pants, they might actually need to perform now.

Morrison, Brunt and Dorrans will all be on a conference call now thinking of a back up plan
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 11:01:59 AM
Like i said if he keeps us up, baseball caps at Arsenal :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: lewisant on December 31, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
It was about this point in summer that Irvine sprang out of nowhere!

Come ITKs get on here!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 11:02:23 AM
Like i said if he keeps us up, baseball caps at Arsenal :)

Thats a great shout!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 11:02:44 AM
You mean baseball cap  :D

Hat/Cap same difference  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie79 on December 31, 2014, 11:03:25 AM
I don't believe anything until it's official, not with Albion.

Wont be official until tomorrow as he is on gardening leave until January the 1st.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: cads_ap_albion on December 31, 2014, 11:04:22 AM
Like i said if he keeps us up, baseball caps at Arsenal :)

And if he doesn't... wear gillets? ? :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 11:04:40 AM
It was about this point in summer that Irvine sprang out of nowhere!

Come ITKs get on here!


Please don't not even as a joke. I couldn't take that again.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggie79 on December 31, 2014, 11:05:11 AM
Indepedant now claim Sherwood talks have stopped.

Tim Sherwood talks with West Brom break down - Tony Pulis installed as favourite

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tim-sherwood-talks-with-west-brom-break-down--tony-pulis-installed-as-favourite-9951340.html

The Independant trying to cover there arses from yesterday I see.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 11:06:03 AM
In breaking news, christian gross


 .....nah joking,
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionBest on December 31, 2014, 11:08:04 AM
no disrespect to Downing but he needs a fresh start somewhere else

Downing is part of the problem, we cannot blame it all on Irvine............ a clean broom and all that !
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 11:10:11 AM
Wont be official until tomorrow as he is on gardening leave until January the 1st.

So what I was told a few days ago was in fact correct. Interesting.

Thanks for the info :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:16:54 AM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star  1m1 minute ago
Tony Pulis is poised to be announced as Albion's new head coach. Full story on @ExpressandStar website shortly. #wba
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 31, 2014, 11:19:21 AM
A new start, some stability at the club. Yes the football may be dire at times but if it is more effective then what we've had, (Too attacking, too defensive, hot and cold) then i won't be complaining. Lets get our baggies back and shake the last 18-24 months off  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:19:50 AM
David Ornstein @bbcsport_david  ·  7m 7 minutes ago
Pulis appointment set to be confirmed Thurs, hopes to be in stands at Upton Park. Meeting Peace for 1st time Thurs. Dave Kemp assistant #wba

 David Ornstein @bbcsport_david  ·  11m 11 minutes ago
Breaking - West Brom to appoint Tony Pulis as head coach. Continental model stays but TP control of all 1st team matters inc transfers #wba
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 11:20:03 AM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 5m5 minutes ago

Tony Pulis is poised to be announced as Albion's new head coach. Full story on @ExpressandStar website shortly. #wba
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 31, 2014, 11:20:48 AM
Seems like lessons have been learnt from last year. It has been less than 48hrs since AI was relieved of his duties and we are on the verge of replacing him already! How long did it take to replace Steve Clarke last year?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionBest on December 31, 2014, 11:20:54 AM
BBC News channel just broke the news and has a few minutes discussion on Pulis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBARoberts on December 31, 2014, 11:21:05 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2892291/Tony-Pulis-revealed-West-Brom-manager-New-Year-s-Day-rejecting-chance-Newcastle-United.html

Tony Pulis to be confirmed as West Brom manager on New Year's Day after rejecting chance to take over at Newcastle United

Tony Pulis is on the brink of becoming West Bromwich Albion manager after rejecting Newcastle United.
The former Stoke boss, who quit Crystal Palace on the eve of the season, is clear to work again from January 1 under his severance deal with the south London club.
He had been interested in the vacancy at Newcastle but told his advisers to end talks when they became worried that controversial club owner Mike Ashley and head scout Graham Carr would want a say in team selection.


Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionBest on December 31, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
You mean baseball cap  :D

Sales of Albion baseball caps will rocket if he gets off to a good start !
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 11:23:04 AM
David Ornstein @bbcsport_david  ·  7m 7 minutes ago
Pulis appointment set to be confirmed Thurs, hopes to be in stands at Upton Park. Meeting Peace for 1st time Thurs. Dave Kemp assistant #wba

 David Ornstein @bbcsport_david  ·  11m 11 minutes ago
Breaking - West Brom to appoint Tony Pulis as head coach. Continental model stays but TP control of all 1st team matters inc transfers #wba


Oh sh*t. Hope he signs the contract first.  ;D ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 31, 2014, 11:24:38 AM
Pulis about to be named new boss! :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/31/tony-pulis-to-be-announced-as-west-bromwich-albion-head-coach/

Tony Pulis is poised to be announced as West Brom’s new head coach.

The former Stoke and Crystal Palace manager has beaten off the challenge of Tim Sherwood and is set to replace Alan Irvine, pending the completion of a contract.

The 56-year-old Welshman has been out of work since resigning from Palace at the end of last season.

Pulis is expected to sign a two-and-a-half-year contract and is likely to be joined eventually at The Hawthorns by coaches Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 11:26:32 AM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 28s28 seconds ago

I'm told Pulis sought and received assurances over control on transfers, but the system will not alter significantly. (1/2). #wba
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 31, 2014, 11:26:45 AM
Apparently history is everything (when it suits).

Is that the same as it not suiting you when AI was in charge even though history suggested he would do exactly what he did?

Yes when it suits!!

Who is too say you will not be entertained by Pulis.....ask Palace fans they were pretty entertained

and for many years stoke were entertained

I think some of you are believing a myth about Pulis that is just not always true.

Ive seen bad and good football from his sides through the years, if you expected everyone to keep the faith with AI then I'm afraid you have no other choice but too back the next manager otherwise your previous arguments become nothing but a laughing stock
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 31, 2014, 11:27:33 AM
On BBC Sport site now http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30641213
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2014, 11:27:54 AM

Oh sh*t. Hope he signs the contract first.  ;D ;)

Indeed! 

Peace to Garlick:  "Now Richard, what have we agreed to?"   "PARDON ?....!!!!!!! - what to you mean free hand on transfers - thats the last time I leave you in charge!"
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on December 31, 2014, 11:28:23 AM
Seems our announcement of new gaffer has gone from best kept to worst kept secret  ???
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 11:28:32 AM
Steve Madeley ‏@smadeley_star 33s33 seconds ago

Terry Burton, Richard Garlick and Mervyn Day stay. Pulis will have final say on transfers. Albion mantain preview bosses did too. (2/2)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
Can we all come together on this one please. no more bitching eh :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 31, 2014, 11:29:16 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: 17GD on December 31, 2014, 11:29:38 AM
Very happy about this. We need someone to come in and kick ass.

I wonder if Tony has forgiven Olsson for breaking that photo in the Stoke tunnel.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Chipperfan on December 31, 2014, 11:30:10 AM
Devon followed by Kris (above).

You have to laugh.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 11:31:01 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.

Could be worse  :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on December 31, 2014, 11:31:14 AM
Too many nice people around our squad for too long, time for a bit of kick ass.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Lloydy on December 31, 2014, 11:31:19 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.

If we get treated to what Palace fans watched in the second half of the season, I can't wait.

This "Pulisball" myth has to stop.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AlbionBest on December 31, 2014, 11:32:04 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.

Would be disappointing if so but mixed with his 'Palaceball' and we could be in for some decent times !  We'll be competitive and organised at least and won't roll over for the big boys like the last few seasons.

AND, he might just know how to beat Stoke !!!!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: koren on December 31, 2014, 11:33:46 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/31/tony-pulis-to-be-announced-as-west-bromwich-albion-head-coach/ (http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/31/tony-pulis-to-be-announced-as-west-bromwich-albion-head-coach/)

Pulis is expected to sign a two-and-a-half-year contract and is likely to be joined eventually at The Hawthorns by coaches Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Groovephil on December 31, 2014, 11:33:53 AM
Very happy, about time the club stopped fanning around with no experience risks.

FA Cup final and safety please Tony.  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:34:11 AM
If we get treated to what Palace fans watched in the second half of the season, I can't wait.

This "Pulisball" myth has to stop.

Yep, didn't Palace beat us 3-1 last season when we had footballing god Pepe Mel in charge?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
Would be disappointing if so but mixed with his 'Palaceball' and we could be in for some decent times !  We'll be competitive and organised at least and won't roll over for the big boys like the last few seasons.

AND, he might just know how to beat Stoke !!!!


Yep the "oh well you expect to lose to them" attitude will not apply under Pulis he just won't stand for it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 11:35:01 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.

It was hardly great football under Irvine and Clarke though was it ...
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: westbrom87 on December 31, 2014, 11:35:08 AM
For those talking about 'pulisball', i assume that if we go back over all the posts you have made on this site, ZERO of them will be moaning at a manager for saying we played well despite losing and that youre not interested in performance, its results that matter.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 31, 2014, 11:35:46 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.

This is my initial reaction too. That said, I'm behind the team as usual. I hope he can prove me wrong...

A word of caution: employing Pulis in no way guarantees our survival like some seem to think. We lack quality throughout the team which needs significant improvement in January.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 11:36:13 AM
Yep, didn't Palace beat us 3-1 last season when we had footballing god Pepe Mel in charge?

He was in charge in name apparantely.

I do remember Dean Kiely on the pitch at half time telling Thievy what runs to make  :o
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Costakiblue on December 31, 2014, 11:36:33 AM
Too many nice people around our squad for too long, time for a bit of kick ass.

What odds on a player revolt (a la Pepe Mel) ;? ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:37:13 AM
If Tony Pulis was a foreign manager with a similar record, alot more fans would be over the moon. Sorry but that is true. Pulis is just not a glamorous name for some people.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Chipperfan on December 31, 2014, 11:37:38 AM
Bizarrely, despite this being reported everywhere else nothing has yet been mentioned on Sky Sports News.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 11:37:42 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.

Not his biggest fan but probably is what we need at the moment. Need to start winning games and then hopefully build on it as we did when Megson came in, that wasn't pretty at times either but gave us a base to build on which we did.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 31, 2014, 11:37:46 AM
If reported this is true ill be happy.

We have needed someone to give this squad a kick up the backside for 18 months and we will get that now.

I believe we will see much more effective football and a change in mentality
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:37:49 AM
He was in charge in name apparantely.

I do remember Dean Kiely on the pitch at half time telling Thievy what runs to make  :o

About time we had a manager that has some balls then :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 11:37:59 AM
For those talking about 'pulisball', i assume that if we go back over all the posts you have made on this site, ZERO of them will be moaning at a manager for saying we played well despite losing and that youre not interested in performance, its results that matter.

Correct. *see all of Mowbray's post match interviews when we lost*
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 31, 2014, 11:38:27 AM
What odds on a player revolt (a la Pepe Mel) ;? ;D

I somehow doubt it. If any players don't buy into what TP wants they will be shown the door!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 11:38:43 AM
What odds on a player revolt (a la Pepe Mel) ;? ;D

Pulis will probably take them all on at the same time, Mel didn't want to crease his suit  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 11:38:52 AM
He was in charge in name apparantely.

I do remember Dean Kiely on the pitch at half time telling Thievy what runs to make  :o


Lol. Sorry that made me laugh. It's like Robbie Coltrane telling Robbie Williams how to pull the birds.  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 11:39:05 AM
http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2014/12/31/tony-pulis-to-be-announced-as-west-bromwich-albion-head-coach/

Tony Pulis is poised to be announced as West Brom’s new head coach.

The former Stoke and Crystal Palace manager has beaten off the challenge of Tim Sherwood and is set to replace Alan Irvine, pending the completion of a contract.

The 56-year-old Welshman has been out of work since resigning from Palace at the end of last season.

Pulis is expected to sign a two-and-a-half-year contract and is likely to be joined eventually at The Hawthorns by coaches Dave Kemp and Gerry Francis.


Does that mean Downing will stay until Kemp and Francis join?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 31, 2014, 11:39:36 AM
Bizarrely, despite this being reported everywhere else nothing has yet been mentioned on Sky Sports News.

Sky Sports are always the last to report anything and then claim that "their sources ......"!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 11:39:57 AM
so, are we all galvanised now ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 31, 2014, 11:40:24 AM
Disappointed. 2 1/2 years of Pulisball.  Never thought I'd see it at the Albion.

FGS give the bloke a chance - lets see how the team perform over the next month and what transfers/loans we make.

then if justified make your comment :(
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:40:40 AM
so, are we all galvanised now ;D

I am, happiest I have been with the club for a long time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kc56wba on December 31, 2014, 11:41:19 AM
I just hope that all these people saying our football will be better under Pulis are not disappointed. :o
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBARoberts on December 31, 2014, 11:41:27 AM
I have no idea how we can possibly be upset by this.

The transformation at Palace last year was unbelievable - and at the end of the day who else is in the market better?

We've got one of the best out of work Premier League managers who has a proven knack of making teams hard to beat and rescuing them from seemingly hopeless positions.

People want to spout on about 'playing Pulisball' or 'long balls all season', are you seriously expecting us to come out and play beautiful football with this squad we currently have? They need a kicking and we need a respected authority figure at the helm of this club.

This is the best thing that has happened to this club for a long time, just go and check the internet for people's comments, most are glad their team has already come to the Hawthorns to play as they know what Pulis will do.

All of you who wanted a flouncing European style head coach who plays tiki-taka football with big Anichebe - Enjoy watching us stay up and get a few big scalps along the way.

We've just signed the Premier League Manager of the Season 2013-14, be happy FFS.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:41:48 AM
I just hope that all these people saying our football will be better under Pulis are not disappointed. :o

I don't think its possible to be worse if I am being honest.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 11:42:10 AM
Bizarrely, despite this being reported everywhere else nothing has yet been mentioned on Sky Sports News.

Only mention Pulis when stating 'he was never in contention for Newcastle job'
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 11:42:49 AM
BREAKING NEWS! Sky Sources.. Tony Pulis to be appointed by the weekend.

(for people that need it to be on Sky Sports)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 11:43:00 AM
ha! just as I typed that they broke 'Sky sources tell us ...'  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on December 31, 2014, 11:43:09 AM
If true I think it's the best we could have hoped for! Pulis is a strong experienced manager whereas Sherwood perhaps might have been a good fit but he's only got 6months at Spuds under his belt, too much of a risk for me but not as much as Irvine was!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbarenno on December 31, 2014, 11:44:32 AM
Home games will be fine but i feel sorry for the away fans. Pulis teams away from home are horrid.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 31, 2014, 11:45:02 AM
If we get treated to what Palace fans watched in the second half of the season, I can't wait.

This "Pulisball" myth has to stop.

We'll see. I have no doubt he'll keep us up though which is what we all want I guess.  I do think we'll look at this in a years time and be bored senseless.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 11:46:10 AM
We'll see. I have no doubt he'll keep us up though which is what we all want I guess.  I do think we'll look at this in a years time and be bored senseless.


lets worry about that when it comes :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiebof on December 31, 2014, 11:46:51 AM
Not entirely happy. Yes, will probably keep is up as long as we have him but it's not the identity that I want us to have. It isn't just the uninspiring tactic of having four centre backs across the back four, the direct football or the dreary playing for a draw away games that we may well see, it's everything else. The way he bemoans referees, the time wasting, the gamesmanship; that is what I am not looking forward to the most.

It will be good to see us win again, for the Hawthorns to once again become a fortress and for the atmosphere to be better than it has been the last few months.

It will also be interesting to see how Pulis sets up this side. I don't see it being too dissimilar to Irvine in actual fact.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: miggybaggy on December 31, 2014, 11:47:59 AM
Hope he installs Lescott as captain and puts Mulumbu and Yacob back in the starting eleven. I'm glad JP has acted quickly, lets hope it works out.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 11:49:58 AM

lets worry about that when it comes :)

To think you were calling Irvine boring..  :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 31, 2014, 11:50:55 AM
FGS give the bloke a chance - lets see how the team perform over the next month and what transfers/loans we make.

then if justified make your comment :(

I'll make my comment when I want to make it. I am disappointed with the appointment of Pulis. If that upsets people quite frankly I don't care.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 31, 2014, 11:51:42 AM
Hope he installs Lescott as captain and puts Mulumbu and Yacob back in the starting eleven. I'm glad JP has acted quickly, lets hope it works out.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. In my opinion, it is no coincidence that we have struggled after this midfield partnership was broken up. Also, Lescott is more of a leader than Brunt has ever been with the armband on. He is the logical choice.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Hull Baggie on December 31, 2014, 11:54:48 AM
Home games will be fine but i feel sorry for the away fans. Pulis teams away from home are horrid.

They may be, but judging by results they were fairly effective...last season Palace won away at Hull, Villa, Cardiff, Everton and West Ham. Whereas we got beat by all of them except West Ham who we drew with.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 31, 2014, 11:55:05 AM
Can’t say I’m happy at all, I’ve despised the man for years.  Hopefully he’ll have us more Palace like than Stoke.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: mulliganstired on December 31, 2014, 11:55:38 AM
Hope he installs Lescott as captain and puts Mulumbu and Yacob back in the starting eleven. I'm glad JP has acted quickly, lets hope it works out.

Yes please.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: hardtobeat on December 31, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
Very happy about this. We need someone to come in and kick ass.

I wonder if Tony has forgiven Olsson for breaking that photo in the Stoke tunnel.

 Guess we'll find out by Feb 1st  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 12:00:59 PM
Little insight video on Tony Pulis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27253266
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: AidantheBaggies on December 31, 2014, 12:02:09 PM
Hoof............Hoof................Hoof

And you all want good attacking football??  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: valleybaggie on December 31, 2014, 12:03:03 PM
i'm really fed up of giving stupid sunday league goals away that will defo stop now . the hawthorns could be made a fortress like it was when megson first came we played defensive then but i can't remember anyone moaning then . plus he might even pick our fast paced players like gamboa blanco and varela to hit teams on the break. that's the way i want albion to play solid at the back with pace in midfield and up front to break quick not passing sideways and sloppy at the back
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Bigrob80 on December 31, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
Finally we managed to sort a replacement within a week!
Hopefully this move works and we can start grinding out wins rather than surrendering 2/3 - 0 leads!
Not too concerned about the football we play if it starts to improve our results, let's get behind the man now and see what changes he can bring to us!
Boing Boing!
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
Hoof............Hoof................Hoof

And you all want good attacking football??  ;D



I suppose at least we will see a bit more goalmouth action, stiff necks and all
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 31, 2014, 12:05:57 PM
TBH, the playing style is the least of our worries, Pulis, like Megson before him is an Egoist. He might work within the boundaries of his contract for a while, but he's power hungry & he'll keep chipping away for more and more power. Personally, I think it'll end in tears, but we'll see.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 12:06:04 PM
Hope he installs Lescott as captain and puts Mulumbu and Yacob back in the starting eleven. I'm glad JP has acted quickly, lets hope it works out.

Most definitely
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on December 31, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
Hoof............Hoof................Hoof

And you all want good attacking football??  ;D

No we want effective football thats helps us win games as we've been lacking that a touch this season. Then you can start looking to do it better but you have to start winning first.

Nice to see you are prepared to back the new man whether you want him or not !!

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: halifax_baggie on December 31, 2014, 12:07:25 PM
I'll make my comment when I want to make it. I am disappointed with the appointment of Pulis. If that upsets people quite frankly I don't care.

Fine being disappointed that happens in life, but to judge prior to waiting to see what happens is in my opinion poor judgement.

I'm not as upset as you appear to be  :D


Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 31, 2014, 12:07:42 PM
Little insight video on Tony Pulis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27253266

Thanks enjoyed that. Just can't wait to see Pulis get started now and start kicking some anus.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 31, 2014, 12:08:55 PM
TBH, the playing style is the least of our worries, Pulis, like Megson before him is an Egoist. He might work within the boundaries of his contract for a while, but he's power hungry & he'll keep chipping away for more and more power. Personally, I think it'll end in tears, but we'll see.

9/10 appointments do though don't they.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: The Joust on December 31, 2014, 12:09:11 PM
I'd be hoping this is his side;

                                                      Foster

Gamboa                    Dawson                              Lescott (c)                   Poco


 
Blanco                           Mulumbu                  Yacob                               Varela   

                                                Sess

                                                            Berahino
               
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
Very happy with Tony Pulis, great appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 12:11:39 PM
West Brom agree terms with Tony Pulis on two-and-a-half-year contract
Former Crystal Palace manager signs £1.75m-a-year deal after club decides against move for Tim Sherwood

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11318849/West-Brom-appoint-Tony-Pulis-on-two-and-a-half-year-contract.html
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbasoprano on December 31, 2014, 12:12:17 PM
Gerry Francis too? Oooh I can't decide between a wearing a cap and growing a mullet  ;D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
Can't help but feel there will be certain people who can't wait for him to fail so they can say 'we told you so'.



Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: BB74 on December 31, 2014, 12:13:26 PM
Can't help but feel there will be certain people who can't wait for him to fail so they can say 'we told you so'.

Least it is a only tiny minority rather than a large majority like out last appointment.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
Gerry Francis too? Oooh I can't decide between a wearing a cap and growing a mullet  ;D

You can actually get mullet caps, end of season theme? :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 12:14:03 PM
Can't help but feel there will be certain people who can't wait for him to fail so they can say 'we told you so'.


That'll be the case whoever gets the job. You can never please everyone.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: benalbion on December 31, 2014, 12:14:37 PM
Lets hope lessons have FINALLY been learned and the clearout continues with Pulis allowed to bring in his own team. Bit of common sense surely a fresh start is best for the club
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Baggy nerd on December 31, 2014, 12:14:42 PM
Irvine sacked 29th December. Pulis available to work from 1st January. I suggest this has been planned for some time.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2014, 12:14:58 PM
The likes of Blanco and Gamboa won't fit a Pulis team. It will be similar to Irvine's team selection.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: wbako on December 31, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
I'd be hoping this is his side;

                                                      Foster

Gamboa                    Dawson                              Lescott (c)                   Poco


 
Blanco                           Mulumbu                  Yacob                               Varela   

                                                Sess

                                                            Berahino
             

Swap Blanco for a pacey winger (Townsend perhaps?) and you've hit the nail on the head!

Also, I'd look to bring in a proven centre back alongside Lescott, but they are not that easy to come across.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: KingKoren on December 31, 2014, 12:16:33 PM
I backed Irvine and I'll back Pulis. Think we need someone with his discipline and presence at the moment. Confident we'll stay up with him at the helm, not sure about in the long term but we'll see. The Hawthorns has been lacking passion for a while now and hopefully he'll bring some of that back. Wonder what role Burton played in this appointment, not sure who it's been driven by.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stever60 on December 31, 2014, 12:16:40 PM
The likes of Blanco and Gamboa won't fit a Pulis team. It will be similar to Irvine's team selection.
Er....how do you know?
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 12:17:21 PM
I'd be hoping this is his side;

                                                      Foster

Gamboa                    Dawson                              Lescott (c)                   Poco


 
Blanco                           Mulumbu                  Yacob                               Varela   

                                                Sess

                                                            Berahino
             

I'd be very surprised if it was.

I cannot see Pulis opting for Sessegnon, Blanco or Gamboa. I think Wisdom and Brunt are definite shoe-ins.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 12:17:43 PM
The likes of Blanco and Gamboa won't fit a Pulis team. It will be similar to Irvine's team selection.

Quite likely.

However, (i am at least hoping) that Pulis has better man management skills and able to inspire the team to perform.

First thing Pulis needs to do is get a couple of wingers in who can cross the ball.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 31, 2014, 12:18:02 PM
I somehow doubt it. If any players don't buy into what TP wants they will be shown the door!
more liked chucked through it.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: overseas baggie on December 31, 2014, 12:19:08 PM
I'd be hoping this is his side;

                                                      Foster

Gamboa                    Dawson                              Lescott (c)                   Poco


 
Blanco                           Mulumbu                  Yacob                               Varela   

                                                Sess

                                                            Berahino
             

Me too.   Backup of Myhill, Wisdom, McAuley, Olssen, Baird, Brunt, Gardner, Morrison, Dorrans, Big Vic, and Samares.  Squad is decent.

But more likely that we will sell Berahino and hopefully buy Townsend, Lambert and Walters with the Saido money.  Top half here we come.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 31, 2014, 12:19:40 PM
I just hope that all these people saying our football will be better under Pulis are not disappointed. :o
not expecting that, just better results.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: boot2006 on December 31, 2014, 12:21:23 PM
Very happy with this appointment.  Given the current situation this appointment is the best outcome.  We are in a mess and need to get organised quickly.  Pulis will sort the soft lads out straight away.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 31, 2014, 12:22:29 PM
Er....how do you know?

I guess we're going off past records. He strikes me as someone who likes dependable British footballers who he can trust. Pulis teams previously have been built on their physicality - for me, neither Gamboa nor Blanco buy into those methods.

Pulis is going to come here with the intention of getting wins and points. I cannot see him willing to take part in experiments at this point in the season.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Albionic on December 31, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
very happy to read this, it seems to address whats been missing. TP on his start at palace

 "We looked at what qualities we had and struck on a system. There were lots of meetings about what we were trying to do, but the most important thing was ironing everything out on the training ground so everybody knew their role. Wherever the ball is they know where they should be, they have to be there and if they're not there it will cause problems.

"Then it's down to the players - whether they're prepared to work as hard as you want, whether they're prepared to do what you want them to do. The reason why we've achieved what we have is because everybody has done what we wanted them to do to the best of their ability.

"If anybody marches away from that and starts doing what they think is right for them, and not right for the team, then the team will collapse
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Legend on December 31, 2014, 12:24:29 PM
Er....how do you know?

If Irvine didn't pick Gamboa because Wisdom was better defensively, why would Pulis? If Blanco was getting nowhere near the team with Irvine then it's probably for a very good reason. I can still see the likes of Brunt and Morrison playing.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggiejohn on December 31, 2014, 12:28:19 PM
Can't help but feel there will be certain people who can't wait for him to fail so they can say 'we told you so'.

I don't want him to fail, & as far as maintaining our EPL status I expect him to succeed, but I don't see him as part of the DNA of West Bromwich Albion. Like Megson before him, he won't want to be involved in developing players, so I don't expect any of our up & coming youth squad to get a look in. He's also power hungry, so he'll be chipping away in the background to improve his influence. I see him being a divisive influence in the club, not a constructive one. But, as I say, we'll see.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: palmaroy on December 31, 2014, 12:31:07 PM
Irvine sacked 29th December. Pulis available to work from 1st January. I suggest this has been planned for some time.
i reckon Peace knew it was a possibility even when wee give Irvine the job
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 31, 2014, 12:32:49 PM
I don't want him to fail, & as far as maintaining our EPL status I expect him to succeed, but I don't see him as part of the DNA of West Bromwich Albion. Like Megson before him, he won't want to be involved in developing players, so I don't expect any of our up & coming youth squad to get a look in. He's also power hungry, so he'll be chipping away in the background to improve his influence. I see him being a divisive influence in the club, not a constructive one. But, as I say, we'll see.

Whilst you are probably correct in what you say, I don't think any of our academy players would benefit from being thrown into a relegation dogfight. Besides which, if AI didn't select them (and he was supposedly a Coach who would give youth a chance) it would suggest that none of them are either ready or good enough?

Anyway, welcome on board TP.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Plastic Paddy on December 31, 2014, 12:34:28 PM
i reckon Peace knew it was a possibility even when wee give Irvine the job

Didn't TP leave his job only 2 days before the start of the season? I know JP is many things but a psychic :D
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: skyclad99 on December 31, 2014, 12:38:36 PM
I for one am delighted with the potential appointment of Tony Pulis. JP at last realises the potential gravity of the situation and has got the right man for the job. I was converted last year when I watched Crystal Palace play a few teams off the park, including us. The fact that TP will have a say in transfers as well is a massive bonus...... no more supermarket sweeps for anyone who looks good on video please....... If you want to play fantasy football manager then join an online league or another club!

Whilst I notice a few dissenting voices regarding the 'Pulis style' [whatever that is], I am not seeing too many acceptable options. I know Jose and Louis are a bit tucked up at the moment.....so who else is available with the right credentials????   
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 12:41:33 PM
I for one am delighted with the potential appointment of Tony Pulis. JP at last realises the potential gravity of the situation and has got the right man for the job. I was converted last year when I watched Crystal Palace play a few teams off the park, including us. The fact that TP will have a say in transfers as well is a massive bonus...... no more supermarket sweeps for anyone who looks good on video please....... If you want to play fantasy football manager then join an online league or another club!

Whilst I notice a few dissenting voices regarding the 'Pulis style' [whatever that is], I am not seeing too many acceptable options. I know Jose and Louis are a bit tucked up at the moment.....so who else is available with the right credentials????


For a first post that's pretty good. Spot on mate.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: addy on December 31, 2014, 12:42:02 PM
Steve Madeley @smadeley_star  ·  42m 42 minutes ago
Albion optimistic Pulis will be in charge for the Gateshead game but contractual issues, not involving #wba, might take it into next week.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 12:43:18 PM
I've just been reading the oakcake. Anyone who has got 2 minutes just pop over there and read some of the posts, very funny stuff.

They've already started calling us West Scrumage Albion.  ;D

Reading between the lines I think they're a little sad to see him at the Albion.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 12:43:47 PM
Steve Madeley @smadeley_star  ·  42m 42 minutes ago
Albion optimistic Pulis will be in charge for the Gateshead game but contractual issues, not involving #wba, might take it into next week.


Here we go.  ::) ............................................
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: dangerman on December 31, 2014, 12:45:24 PM
Steve Madeley @smadeley_star  ·  42m 42 minutes ago
Albion optimistic Pulis will be in charge for the Gateshead game but contractual issues, not involving #wba, might take it into next week.

Colin was our first choice all along  :o
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: stokelad84 on December 31, 2014, 12:46:45 PM
I haven't seen a lot of West Brom this season. My initial prediction would be something like this:

Foster

Wisdom - Dawson - Lescott - ??

Morrison - Mulumbu - Yacob - Brunt

Anichibe

Berahino

Pulis has looked at Morrison and Brunt in the past so I expect them to be in the team in the early stages.
Mulumbu and Yacob seem a perfect fit to screen the center backs. Think Delap/Whelan or Jedinak/Ledley.
I'm not sure about the left back slot. I can't see Olsson or Lescott playing there, but there is a small chance!

Berahino will be the advanced forward, any long balls into the channel for him to chase. Anichibe as the 2nd striker. He looks like he has the work rate to do the Jon Walters style chasing. But maybe a question mark over his ball control to emulate the Chamakh part of the role at Palace?

Looks solid and hard to beat to me. Good luck :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: baggieboyfred on December 31, 2014, 12:50:27 PM
If  we want to stay up thisc season we need a guy who knows what he is doing and stands no nonsense from players or backroom staff, proven track record , manager of season last year, what more do you want.
as regards the quality of football first things first lets win ugly if thats what it takes, bottom line he has a decent squad  requiring one or two tweaks, and i am sure he will play the football that suits the squad, and i suspect any squad member not stepping up to the plate will find themselves on the bench pretty quickly, so with a bit of luck automatic selection will go out the window.

gave AI the benefit with very little confidence it would succeed, did not work out , will give TP the same benefit but with a lot more confidence that it will happy new year to us all
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 31, 2014, 12:51:42 PM
Can't help thinking this could be a dark day for the future of West Bromwich Albion FC. It hasn't done a great deal for bringing back my passion for the beautiful game. Another victory for the greed league.

Welcome to the Hawthorns.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 31, 2014, 12:53:15 PM
I definitely think anichebe and samaras will get more game time

could see

                                                   foster
       
                    gamboa      lescott         gmac         poco

                                                  yacob
         sess              gardner                    mulumbu              varela

                                              anichebe
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 12:54:47 PM
Can't help thinking this could be a dark day for the future of West Bromwich Albion FC. It hasn't done a great deal for bringing back my passion for the beautiful game. Another victory for the greed league.

Welcome to the Hawthorns.


I bet you're a bundle of fun at a Christmas party. Right little ray of sunshine.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Bakeyaface on December 31, 2014, 12:55:24 PM
I have to agree that a lot of things have been said about our brand of football, the worries over our style of play and the concern that our identity may be lost on Pulis.

But lets be to the point here, for the short term i would rather get results and sustain the long term future of the club, if that means scrappy wins and points on the board i will take it.

I think if we are all honest we'd rather be playing scrappy games and nicking points than playing nice football with no end product, points mean prizes.

Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on December 31, 2014, 12:55:30 PM
I think at the end of the day if we are playing too much attacking football, we will just end up disappointed as we will concede too many (Look at pepe mel, and look at our gut wrenching defeat at QPR). Attacking starts at the back and we need a well drilled coach who is prepared to straighten up the players, and yes im not surprised some people are disappointed with Pulis, but he did a cracking job with Palace, and they weren't too bad to watch either. He's a good fit for us, so like it or not, roll with the punches, welcome aboard Tony  :)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Lloydy on December 31, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
Can't help thinking this could be a dark day for the future of West Bromwich Albion FC. It hasn't done a great deal for bringing back my passion for the beautiful game. Another victory for the greed league.

Welcome to the Hawthorns.

I think completely the opposite, and this is a turning point for us. No more messing about with losers like Alan Irvine and Pepe Mel, we now (hopefully) have a winner leading us to safety and beyond.
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 31, 2014, 12:56:43 PM
Can't help thinking this could be a dark day for the future of West Bromwich Albion FC. It hasn't done a great deal for bringing back my passion for the beautiful game. Another victory for the greed league.

Welcome to the Hawthorns.



You will give him your full support though wont you ;)
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: MarkW on December 31, 2014, 12:58:13 PM
         Stoke   WBA
2012   4th   3rd
2011   6th   4th
2010   Final   3rd
2009   6th   4th
2008   3rd   4th
2007   3rd   Semis
2006   4th   5th
      
2004   3rd   4th
2003   3rd   3rd
2002   5th   4th

That's his record with Stoke in the FA cup for those wondering.

        Stoke     WBA
2012   2nd   3rd
2011   4th   3rd
2010   4th   5th
2009   4th   3rd
2008   5th   2nd
2007   1st   3rd
2006   1st   3rd
      
2004   1st   2nd
2003   2nd   5th
2002   1st   2nd

And that's his record in the League Cup
Title: Re: New Manager thread
Post by: Atomic on December 31, 2014, 12:58:22 PM