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Title: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 14, 2014, 06:47:11 PM
Hi mods can you leave this as a separate topic as really do want to know can we legally get a refund?
I renewed at the last minute !!!!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: baggie38 on June 14, 2014, 06:48:45 PM
I believe so and I wouldn't blame you. People should vote with their hard earned money.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Aztech on June 14, 2014, 06:52:27 PM
Seriously considering contacting the club Monday morning asking for a refund.  >:(
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: addy on June 14, 2014, 06:53:32 PM
I am glad I waited.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: smosher34 on June 14, 2014, 06:55:43 PM
no way would I have got mine if new this was going to happen !!!!!!!!!!!!! think the ticket office be very busy Monday morning !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBArgo on June 14, 2014, 07:17:09 PM
Can someone please answer this question I am completely serious:

Is it possible to cancel a season ticket?

I feel robbed tbh
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bry on June 14, 2014, 07:22:27 PM
Can someone please answer this question I am completely serious:

Is it possible to cancel a season ticket?

I feel robbed tbh
I feel so angry and let down I want a refund on my season ticket. Please does anyone know if this is possible I would imagine it isn't.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bry on June 14, 2014, 07:27:14 PM
Just been on the club website:
4. Changes to Dates, Refunds & Exchanges
4.1. No guarantees can be given by the Club that a Match will take place at a particular time or on a particular date. The Club reserves the right to reschedule any Match without notice and without any liability whatsoever. Your Stilecard will enable you to attend the re-arranged Match.
4.2. The Club will have no further liability whatsoever, including (but not limited to) any direct or consequential loss or damage, loss of enjoyment or travel/accommodation costs.
4.3. All Stilecards are sold on a non-refundable basis.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99)
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: caravanc58 on June 14, 2014, 07:27:27 PM
I feel so angry and let down I want a refund on my season ticket. Please does anyone know if this is possible I would imagine it isn't.

didn't peace say we would appoint a coach with prem experience and that lessons had been learned, once again he has failed to deliver what the club needs. sureley its close to fraud with the appointment of Irvine.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Welsh_Baggie on June 14, 2014, 07:27:43 PM
I'm guessing you probably can seeing as they haven't even released the fixtures yet.

So glad we held off - that's 3 tickets we won't be buying.  I will not spend a penny with the club as long as JP is at the helm.

I am done.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: glosterbaggie on June 14, 2014, 07:30:12 PM
I think people should cancel if they are minded? It is the only way you can hit Peace. He does not take notice as we have seen.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Merbals on June 14, 2014, 07:39:54 PM
18 years worth of season tickets and I refused to renew until I knew what was going on even if it does cost me my seat.

Thanks Jeremy for confirming ny decision. My son is gutted but I have had enough and won't be returning until things change at the helm.

See you folks I feel like someone's died.  Will find something else to do on a weekend.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Blowee on June 14, 2014, 07:44:21 PM
"The Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982 means that consumers who enter into a contract for goods and services can expect these to be supplied with reasonable care and skill."

A long shot but could you claim a refund based upon this Act!  :D
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBArgo on June 14, 2014, 07:50:15 PM
18 years worth of season tickets and I refused to renew until I knew what was going on even if it does cost me my seat.

Thanks Jeremy for confirming ny decision. My son is gutted but I have had enough and won't be returning until things change at the helm.

See you folks I feel like someone's died.  Will find something else to do on a weekend.

You're right, our club has, I want a refund - don't think it's a possibility though
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: South West Steve on June 14, 2014, 08:07:36 PM
I'm 100% certain there are no refunds on season tickets under normal circumstances.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Merbals on June 14, 2014, 08:22:25 PM
I'm 100% certain there are no refunds on season tickets under normal circumstances.

I am not so sure. JP made a statement about the appointment he would make and hasn't. Therefore people who have renewed have under false pretenses. Would you accept you new shiny bmw you brought as promised but when in turned up it was trotters 3 wheeler van?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: South West Steve on June 14, 2014, 08:29:25 PM
true.... but this is Peace you're talking about and both the clauses in the Stilecard "contract" and info I have says not....
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: AlbionBest on June 14, 2014, 09:26:01 PM
I am not so sure. JP made a statement about the appointment he would make and hasn't. Therefore people who have renewed have under false pretenses. Would you accept you new shiny bmw you brought as promised but when in turned up it was trotters 3 wheeler van?

IT would be all about trying to tie the Slippery One down to what he ACTUALLY said.................I doubt he's left any door open !!!!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 14, 2014, 09:35:19 PM
I'm 100% certain there are no refunds on season tickets under normal circumstances.
No offence , but would you consider a decision by a premier league club in appointing Alan Irvine "normal"?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Andzy on June 14, 2014, 09:58:34 PM
im sure someone will say for certain but does the normal 21 day cooling of period apply here.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: monkey nuts on June 14, 2014, 10:24:54 PM
If you ring and demand one they will let you have one people have before this shocking announcement
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 14, 2014, 11:10:53 PM
I am   going to try i have had enough of this crapi
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Jack Russell on June 14, 2014, 11:36:53 PM
My re fund application is on going.until this chairman is ousted i will never return
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 14, 2014, 11:58:00 PM
My re fund application is on going.until this chairman is ousted i will never return

I'm so gutted about this. We were promised ambition - or so it seemed to me anyway - by JP's press release and he comes out with utter bile in appointing this loser.

I have never said this before but I am done with the Albion until this tosser is gone.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBArgo on June 15, 2014, 01:17:22 AM
Has anyone had any success in a refund yet?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 15, 2014, 02:20:29 AM
Just been on the club website:
4. Changes to Dates, Refunds & Exchanges
4.1. No guarantees can be given by the Club that a Match will take place at a particular time or on a particular date. The Club reserves the right to reschedule any Match without notice and without any liability whatsoever. Your Stilecard will enable you to attend the re-arranged Match.
4.2. The Club will have no further liability whatsoever, including (but not limited to) any direct or consequential loss or damage, loss of enjoyment or travel/accommodation costs.
4.3. All Stilecards are sold on a non-refundable basis.
Read more at http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99 (http://www.wba.co.uk/tickets/stilecard/index.aspx#wyAqOuzcBV1fGhm3.99)

Isn't there a consumer law in Britain of a cooling off period of 14 days when purchasing any product allowing for a full refund within that period after purchase? If that is so then the club could be in breach of regulations but I am no expert on this so will leave it to others to found out if there is any breach.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 15, 2014, 03:31:48 AM
I'm sorry, but if you bought a season ticket before we made an appointment then that's your own fault really.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: tuamigos on June 15, 2014, 08:05:12 AM
I'm sorry, but if you bought a season ticket before we made an appointment then that's your own fault really.

Thanks Jeremy
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
Bought my ST before the deadline & have absolutely 100% no qualms or desire to get my money back, I will be sitting in the same seat as I have for as many years as I can remember & the fact that we employ this coach or buy that player makes no difference, sure I am underwhelmed (seems to be the buzz word this week) but I support my club regardless of what happens behind the scenes, I can't, nor do I want to try to affect things beyond my control.

For those seeking their money back I hope you get what you want but before you do make that phone call/email please try to remember who we are, who you are, we are football fans of the greatest team the world has ever seen, I'm not a happy clapper but I love the club unreservedly, that means through thick & thin (& trust me I've seen some thin).

Nobody CONNED me into renewing my ST, I'm more of a shepherd then a sheep, I don't follow the crowd but Jeremy Peace is the custodian of West Bromwich Albion & for that reason I will back his decision to appoint Irvine, I genuinely believe that, as a business man he is not going to wilfully damage the club as it will surely impact on any future sale (makes no sense).

Hopefully once the dust has settled & we sign a few new players, the positivity can return  ;D             
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 10:04:08 AM
I just posted in another thread. I'm sure if you purchased over telephone or Internet distance selling rules apply. So maybe a 14 day cooling off period?

Does anyone know the exact rule?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: iwastherein68 on June 15, 2014, 10:06:18 AM
Bought my ST before the deadline & have absolutely 100% no qualms or desire to get my money back, I will be sitting in the same seat as I have for as many years as I can remember & the fact that we employ this coach or buy that player makes no difference, sure I am underwhelmed (seems to be the buzz word this week) but I support my club regardless of what happens behind the scenes, I can't, nor do I want to try to affect things beyond my control.

For those seeking their money back I hope you get what you want but before you do make that phone call/email please try to remember who we are, who you are, we are football fans of the greatest team the world has ever seen, I'm not a happy clapper but I love the club unreservedly, that means through thick & thin (& trust me I've seen some thin).

Nobody CONNED me into renewing my ST, I'm more of a shepherd then a sheep, I don't follow the crowd but Jeremy Peace is the custodian of West Bromwich Albion & for that reason I will back his decision to appoint Irvine, I genuinely believe that, as a business man he is not going to wilfully damage the club as it will surely impact on any future sale (makes no sense).

Hopefully once the dust has settled & we sign a few new players, the positivity can return  ;D             
Good post, I would guess that 99% of the 16000, me included, are underwhelmed, disappointed, whatever, but would not consider seeking a refund even if they could get one.   
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dangerman on June 15, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
Just read about distance selling regulations.

This is my interpretation and not legal advise but it appears you have a right to change your mind on a purchase made online or over a telephone within 7 working days if receipt of goods. In my opinion as season ticket cards have not been issued surely there is a strong argument to say this 7 working days has not started yet.

As I say it's just my interpretation of the law and it does hold a chink of light for those people looking to cancel.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: devonbaggiecjaj on June 15, 2014, 10:24:16 AM
I am glad I waited.

Same here, I would have renewed if the signs were looking positive but this has not inspired me to part with my cash
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: apple on June 15, 2014, 10:53:02 AM
 Im going to see if Ican get a refund and put the £347 on Albion to be relegated, the proverbial "sure thing". Well, thats next years holiday sorted.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 11:03:06 AM
To those who pay direct debit cant you just pull the plug? I will be doing my utmost tomorrow to get my money back.If i cant i will donate my seat to charity.I will not be watching another Albion game whilst JP is still there
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: viaductbaggies on June 15, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
Good post, I would guess that 99% of the 16000, me included, are underwhelmed, disappointed, whatever, but would not consider seeking a refund even if they could get one.   

And these 2 posts are why peace keeps doing what he does  >:(
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: cads_ap_albion on June 15, 2014, 11:45:17 AM
Very clever peace.

14 days have passed since  deadline for renewal.

coincidence?

You ************ (words fail me).
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Avonbaggie on June 15, 2014, 11:47:58 AM
Im going to see if Ican get a refund and put the £347 on Albion to be relegated, the proverbial "sure thing". Well, thats next years holiday sorted.

Haha. I thought the same  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 12:07:10 PM
Hopefully,  with all these people cancelling their season tickets, the atmosphere at the Hawthorns will improve.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 12:09:34 PM
Does anyone have a link to the club.I need to write to express my anger and frustration.I want my mony back
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: smethwickw on June 15, 2014, 12:16:30 PM
Hopefully,  with all these people cancelling their season tickets, the atmosphere at the Hawthorns will improve.

A happy clapping, mexican waving atmosphere.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 12:20:36 PM
A happy clapping, mexican waving atmosphere.
Yawn. Mexican waves are so 90s.
Appreciative of talent playing in the top flight of English football and supporting (look it up in a dictionary) the players and coaches who currently represent the team that I love. :-*
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 12:21:58 PM
And these 2 posts are why peace keeps doing what he does  >:(

Perhaps a tadge more content  ???
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 12:22:29 PM
Hopefully,  with all these people cancelling their season tickets, the atmosphere at the Hawthorns will improve.

Instead of simply mocking those who are considering a refund, why not try to engage with why they feel so strongly about the situation.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 15, 2014, 12:24:26 PM
Yawn. Mexican waves are so 90s.
Appreciative of talent playing in the top flight of English football and supporting (look it up in a dictionary) the players and coaches who currently represent the team that I love. :-*

Thats your last 3 post's I'd of liked on FB  ;)
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: blue on June 15, 2014, 12:28:10 PM
Cant we get a refund under the trades description act.
We are allegedly trading as a premiership club.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 12:36:42 PM
Instead of simply mocking those who are considering a refund, why not try to engage with why they feel so strongly about the situation.
Not mocking them, genuinely hoping that they can get their wish. If their view of encouraging performance is to poison the atmosphere at the ground (which is getting worse with expectation) then I am happy for them to not be there. If this makes them "uber" fans I am pleased for them, I hope that they enjoy their Saturday afternoons, I am sure mine will become more pleasurable.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bournemouth baggie on June 15, 2014, 12:42:51 PM
Anyone know whether its free listings on ebay this weekend?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Regis no 1 on June 15, 2014, 12:57:40 PM
I have been a season ticket holder in the Bassett suite for the last 7 seasons and has cost in access of £18000 . I am so glad someone was looking down on me telling me wait . That man is not having another penny of my hard earned cash , so I hope all you all get refunds and wish you good luck with it. Let's hope there are a few east stand executive boxes empty , that should hit him really hard in his very deep pockets.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 15, 2014, 01:04:12 PM
For all you guys that will contact the club tomorrow asking for a refund please update us on the club's response.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 01:05:22 PM
Not mocking them, genuinely hoping that they can get their wish. If their view of encouraging performance is to poison the atmosphere at the ground (which is getting worse with expectation) then I am happy for them to not be there. If this makes them "uber" fans I am pleased for them, I hope that they enjoy their Saturday afternoons, I am sure mine will become more pleasurable.

You speak of 'uber' fans, but you're so high on your horse that you must have a cracking view of the surrounding landscape.

Firstly, your post is wildly speculative. You have no idea if those considering boycotting are fans who boo, sit there in silence or get behind the team vocally; chances are they will be a wide spectrum of fans who are united in their displeasure with how the club is being run. Secondly, I am yet to see one example of someone who is considering a refund stating it makes them a better fan than those who aren't, or as you call it - an 'uber' fan. The fact that they care so strongly about the situation would lead me to believe that, ultimately, they care deeply for the club. Currently, the E&S poll shows that over 80% of fans are unhappy with this appointment; instead of dismissing these concerns out of hand, you would be better served looking at the situation objectively.

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 01:40:41 PM
You speak of 'uber' fans, but you're so high on your horse that you must have a cracking view of the surrounding landscape.

Firstly, your post is wildly speculative. You have no idea if those considering boycotting are fans who boo, sit there in silence or get behind the team vocally; chances are they will be a wide spectrum of fans who are united in their displeasure with how the club is being run. Secondly, I am yet to see one example of someone who is considering a refund stating it makes them a better fan than those who aren't, or as you call it - an 'uber' fan. The fact that they care so strongly about the situation would lead me to believe that, ultimately, they care deeply for the club. Currently, the E&S poll shows that over 80% of fans are unhappy with this appointment; instead of dismissing these concerns out of hand, you would be better served looking at the situation objectively.
Looking at it objectively,  any appointment might lead to success or failure but giving someone support to try and achieve that success is what, in my opinion,  supporters do.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Lloydy on June 15, 2014, 02:06:09 PM
Anyone that thinks this car crash of an appointment could actually work is deluding themselves quite frankly. Please wake up and smell the coffee, the guy is a failure in the Championship and League One, he's hated by fans of his two previous clubs and is widely regarded as having a very negative, defensive philosophy. How in god's name does anyone expect this appointment to be anything other than a total bloody disaster?

I won't boo the bloke as I feel sorry for him to be honest. I also will not be giving up my season ticket as if I do I give up my right to have a voice. I would urge others to do the same - don't give up, because we were here before Peace, Downing, Jenkins etc and we'll be here a damn sight longer as well. Get yourselves to the games and aim all of your frustrations at Jeremy Peace and the board. Enough is enough.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 02:19:02 PM
Looking at it objectively,  any appointment might lead to success or failure but giving someone support to try and achieve that success is what, in my opinion,  supporters do.

Agreed - I'd support Steve Bull if he was in charge. However, as people who have invested money and time into the club, they also have the right to question and criticise those in charge and hold them to account for decisions they make. Blindly following is something I cannot, and won't, do. This appointment does not make sense and therefore it is open to scrutiny.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 02:44:17 PM
Agreed - I'd support Steve Bull if he was in charge. However, as people who have invested money and time into the club, they also have the right to question and criticise those in charge and hold them to account for decisions they make. Blindly following is something I cannot, and won't, do. This appointment does not make sense and therefore it is open to scrutiny.

Question, criticise, stay away by all means don't poison the atmosphere for others.

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 15, 2014, 04:00:45 PM
I believe Jeremy will offer to buy all the season tickets back for 50p a ticket.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 05:07:17 PM
Really good 'support' from some on here, do you think Peace gives a s*** about a few people getting refunds and not turning up to games?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
Really good 'support' from some on here, do you think Peace gives a s*** about a few people getting refunds and not turning up to games?

No I don't think he does.

He is not interested in the fans and what they think, he is simply using west Bromwich Albion to increase his own wealth.

I have followed the Albion through thick and thin, from the highs of the late 70's to the depths of the early 90's, however I can honestly say I have never felt as low as I do today.

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 05:48:29 PM
Really good 'support' from some on here, do you think Peace gives a s*** about a few people getting refunds and not turning up to games?

Go on then, tell us what you deem to be good support.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 15, 2014, 05:54:05 PM
Good luck to you all. Would love to see a headline in local papers along the lines of '100s of fans demand season ticket refunds'.

Only way club will take any notice.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBARoberts on June 15, 2014, 05:56:19 PM
Good luck to you all. Would love to see a headline in local papers along the lines of '100s of fans demand season ticket refunds'.

Only way club will take any notice.

Absolutely second this, look forward to hopefully seeing headlines. It would send a clear message to all involved - even if it's ignored.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: smethwickw on June 15, 2014, 06:02:08 PM
Yawn. Mexican waves are so 90s.
Appreciative of talent playing in the top flight of English football and supporting (look it up in a dictionary) the players and coaches who currently represent the team that I love. :-*

It's no longer a club but more of a business.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 06:04:55 PM
If the club really consider fans opinions they should make a statement to say refunds will be offered to anyone not happy with the appointment.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 06:37:28 PM
Go on then, tell us what you deem to be good support.

Getting behind the team through thick and thin, the embarrassment heaped upon the club through this appointment is nothing to do with Irvine, it's our fans reactions to it.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 07:01:18 PM
Getting behind the team through thick and thin, the embarrassment heaped upon the club through this appointment is nothing to do with Irvine, it's our fans reactions to it.

I had several texts yesterday from mates around the country - Arsenal, Forest, Southampton, Oldham, Rotherham and Cardiff; each one was taking the piss out of the appointment. You can keep telling yourself that the appointment is a progressive one and the rest of us will stick to reality.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:11:24 PM
I had several texts yesterday from mates around the country - Arsenal, Forest, Southampton, Oldham, Rotherham and Cardiff; each one was taking the pee out of the appointment. You can keep telling yourself that the appointment is a progressive one and the rest of us will stick to reality.

I'm not particularly bothered about what other teams fans think.

Like I said our fans reaction to this has been appalling and they are the embarrassment in all of this. I mean seriously emailing the guy and telling him not to take the job? Who do these people think they are?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Aztech on June 15, 2014, 07:15:36 PM
I'm not particularly bothered about what other teams fans think.

Like I said our fans reaction to this has been appalling and they are the embarrassment in all of this. I mean seriously emailing the guy and telling him not to take the job? Who do these people think they are?

I am not bothered what other teams think, however surely you could have predicted the response of West Brom fans even before Irvine was appointed.

For that reason alone it shows how far removed Peace and the club are from Wet Brom fans.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:15:49 PM
Like I said our fans reaction to this has been appalling and they are the embarrassment in all of this.

How do you expect the fans to react?

This man has had two managerial jobs and relegated both clubs before being sacked - he couldn't even prove himself in league one and now he has been awarded with a job in the Premier League. You cannot blame supporters for being so annoyed at our pain-staking lack of ambition.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
How do you expect the fans to react?

This man has had two managerial jobs and relegated both clubs before being sacked - he couldn't even prove himself in league one and now he has been awarded with a job in the Premier League. You cannot blame supporters for being so annoyed at our pain-staking lack of ambition.

I expect Albion fans to act with a bit of class to be honest.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbako on June 15, 2014, 07:25:51 PM
I'm not particularly bothered about what other teams fans think.

Like I said our fans reaction to this has been appalling and they are the embarrassment in all of this. I mean seriously emailing the guy and telling him not to take the job? Who do these people think they are?

You've just alluded to the 'embarrassment' of our fans response, but people aren't laughing at that, they're laughing at the appointment.

I'm going to remove myself from this debate because I think it's obvious you're being deliberately provocative.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbarenno on June 15, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
I'm not particularly bothered about what other teams fans think.

Like I said our fans reaction to this has been appalling and they are the embarrassment in all of this. I mean seriously emailing the guy and telling him not to take the job? Who do these people think they are?

So your not bothered that the club we love is seen as a joke up and down the country? Weres your pride?

What do you expect fans to do?? Have a party, its a disgusting appointment and people are angry.

Were heading in one direction and thats down. Even the dingles will be looking forward to their season more then us

I take it your happy with the appointment then?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WSBaggie on June 15, 2014, 07:58:34 PM
So your not bothered that the club we love is seen as a joke up and down the country? Weres your pride?

What do you expect fans to do?? Have a party, its a disgusting appointment and people are angry.

Were heading in one direction and thats down. Even the dingles will be looking forward to their season more then us

I take it your happy with the appointment then?

Where is the harm in giving the guy a chance?

I am extremely underwhelmed. Though I am interested to see which players come in and maybe that will have more of an impact on this impending relegation you speak of.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbarenno on June 15, 2014, 08:13:37 PM
Where is the harm in giving the guy a chance?

I am extremely underwhelmed. Though I am interested to see which players come in and maybe that will have more of an impact on this impending relegation you speak of.

 :D if you think any player of any value will come and work with Irvine your living on cloud cuckoo land mate. The blokes a league one manager at best. Maybe we will raid the lower leagues because there the only players that will come now.

Irvine isnt going to attract anyone!

The good players we have will want to leave and we wont attract good players simple as.

We wont pay the cash and we dont have the manager to lure them.

I bet Ben Foster is the joke of the england squad!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: east-stand-nick on June 15, 2014, 09:00:24 PM
If people are genuinely satisfied with this appointment, then frankly they're just as lacking in ambition as the board.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: RedHead_Baggie on June 15, 2014, 09:03:16 PM
The trouble is people have been brainwashed over the years.

This is the first time Peace has had the pressure build on him.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2014, 09:06:31 PM
Where is the harm in giving the guy a chance?

I am extremely underwhelmed. Though I am interested to see which players come in and maybe that will have more of an impact on this impending relegation you speak of.


Are you Phil Marsden by anychance
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Sessegod on June 15, 2014, 09:07:11 PM
Where is the harm in giving the guy a chance?


80+% of Baggies fans see this as a disaster and the writing on the wall of relegation and us searching for a new manager at xmas. I would say that whilst we probably aren't total experts there is enough knowledge there to know what's going to happen.

In 4 weeks time when we have made no signings and then 10 weeks time we endure another mad dash on the last day of the transfer window, we can all sit back and say JP learnt eff all from last season.

All hope that we had at the end of the season has well and truly been dashed.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bry on June 15, 2014, 09:32:37 PM
Bought my ST before the deadline & have absolutely 100% no qualms or desire to get my money back, I will be sitting in the same seat as I have for as many years as I can remember & the fact that we employ this coach or buy that player makes no difference, sure I am underwhelmed (seems to be the buzz word this week) but I support my club regardless of what happens behind the scenes, I can't, nor do I want to try to affect things beyond my control.

For those seeking their money back I hope you get what you want but before you do make that phone call/email please try to remember who we are, who you are, we are football fans of the greatest team the world has ever seen, I'm not a happy clapper but I love the club unreservedly, that means through thick & thin (& trust me I've seen some thin).

Nobody CONNED me into renewing my ST, I'm more of a shepherd then a sheep, I don't follow the crowd but Jeremy Peace is the custodian of West Bromwich Albion & for that reason I will back his decision to appoint Irvine, I genuinely believe that, as a business man he is not going to wilfully damage the club as it will surely impact on any future sale (makes no sense).

Hopefully once the dust has settled & we sign a few new players, the positivity can return  ;D             
As a business man he thought Steve Clarke and Pepe Mel were a good appointments. Oh yes and then when we were nearly relegated he didn't.   I'm so glad he and you  are "delighted " with the appointment as he was with the last two appointments.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:02:25 PM
80+% of Baggies fans see this as a disaster and the writing on the wall of relegation and us searching for a new manager at xmas. I would say that whilst we probably aren't total experts there is enough knowledge there to know what's going to happen.

In 4 weeks time when we have made no signings and then 10 weeks time we endure another mad dash on the last day of the transfer window, we can all sit back and say JP learnt eff all from last season.

All hope that we had at the end of the season has well and truly been dashed.
Can you qualify how you have come up with that statistic or have you just picked a number out of the air?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 15, 2014, 10:07:43 PM
Can you qualify how you have come up with that statistic or have you just picked a number out of the air?

There is a survey on the E&S site with an approval rating around 16% for Irvine's appointment.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on June 15, 2014, 10:10:43 PM
I've laid off this board for weeks now as i could feel the tension and stress rising. Ok i haven't been an albion fan for decades like some of you but i've seen enough now to suggest we are in deep deep trouble after what was a comfortable start to our premier league life. Last season was nothing short of a farce in every shape or form. It was draining, as a STH and one who loves going to away games. It was flat, predictable, lacking any sort of ambition from our players and Sunderland away was a short straw making me wonder why i had bothered. Anelkagate, the Steve Clarke saga, another whimper in both cups, plus several players wanting out and the cherry on the cake was us capitulating in several games. Absolute misery, and now we do this?! A man who has no premier league experience, and nearly took preston and wednesday down. Peace clearly has an issue with the club or the fans, because no sane chairman would make such a decision after 5 fizzing weeks. We are now a complete laughing stock, and if theres any chance of a refund tomorrow I'll be going straight up to the ground.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 15, 2014, 10:15:47 PM
I am not bothered what other teams think, however surely you could have predicted the response of West Brom fans even before Irvine was appointed.

Steve Madely, yesterday evening
'Albion were expecting a backlash from fans but they hope Irvine and Kelly's coaching credentials will win over plans loyal to Hodgson. #wba'

They knew they were making another unpopular decision.  Its like they are poking a docile dog with a stick...  At some point its going to snap back.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Merbals on June 15, 2014, 10:18:03 PM
Question, criticise, stay away by all means don't poison the atmosphere for others.

This has to be one of the most pathetic posts of all time! I have followed us all over the country, had my seats in the Smeth for years ROW H 125-124 and how dare you accuse me of being a boo boy/critic and best kept away. Anyone on here who knows me, sat by me will tell you that I have stood up for this club through thick and thin. Had arguments with people abusing players and other fans. I WILL not put up with any longer. The only way I can make my statement is vote with my feet . The funny thing is the club will miss supporters like me and so will you. You know why.....because we are Albion and it is us what make the club what it is! I will be back....when I get my club back!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:19:22 PM
There is a survey on the E&S site with an approval rating around 16% for Irvine's appointment.
So not made up of a survey of West Brom fans?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:30:30 PM
This has to be one of the most pathetic posts of all time! U have followed us all over the country, had my seats in the Smeth for years ROW H 125-124 and how dare u accuse me of being a boo boy/critic and best kept away. Anyone on here who knows me, sat by me will tell you that I have stood up for this club through thick and thin. Had arguments with people abusing players and other fans. I WILL not put up with any longer. The only way I can make my statement is vote with my feet . The funny thing is the club will miss supporters like me and so will you. You know why.....because we are Albion abd it is us what make the club it is! I will be back....when I get ny club back!
Yawn. I have accused you of nothing. You are more than welcome to choose how you do or do not follow the Albion and if you are so upset that you want to boycott matches that is fine. How are you qualifying when you get your club back?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: charlebaggie on June 15, 2014, 10:31:46 PM
Bought my ST before the deadline & have absolutely 100% no qualms or desire to get my money back, I will be sitting in the same seat as I have for as many years as I can remember & the fact that we employ this coach or buy that player makes no difference, sure I am underwhelmed (seems to be the buzz word this week) but I support my club regardless of what happens behind the scenes, I can't, nor do I want to try to affect things beyond my control.

For those seeking their money back I hope you get what you want but before you do make that phone call/email please try to remember who we are, who you are, we are football fans of the greatest team the world has ever seen, I'm not a happy clapper but I love the club unreservedly, that means through thick & thin (& trust me I've seen some thin).

Nobody CONNED me into renewing my ST, I'm more of a shepherd then a sheep, I don't follow the crowd but Jeremy Peace is the custodian of West Bromwich Albion & for that reason I will back his decision to appoint Irvine, I genuinely believe that, as a business man he is not going to wilfully damage the club as it will surely impact on any future sale (makes no sense).

Hopefully once the dust has settled & we sign a few new players, the positivity can return  ;D             
.      I have been a supporter of this club for 50years, season ticket holder for most of them . Been through the bad days of relegation to the old 2nd division and been at the Hawthorns when there was only 8,000 of us on a wet Wednesday night . I have never in all my time felt like this I feel  it's not our club anymore . Gone are the days when Johnny Osborne would have a crafty drag of a fans fag. So to me fans like yourself who will just sit there and take what is served by this chairman are not helping,and may I say with no offence you do sound like a happy clapper. Then this club is on a Downward spiral .
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Merbals on June 15, 2014, 10:34:55 PM
Very simply when sensible decisions are made with the clubs best interest at heart along with its supporters. Get used to your pathetic yawn jibe as you will be doing plenty of yawning next season.  Look me up in a few years when no doubt I will be at Grimsby on a Wednesday night but some how I doubt you will be there. Yawn!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 15, 2014, 10:41:31 PM
.      I have been a supporter of this club for 50years, season ticket holder for most of them . Been through the bad days of relegation to the old 2nd division and been at the Hawthorns when there was only 8,000 of us on a wet Wednesday night . I have never in all my time felt like this I feel  it's not our club anymore . Gone are the days when Johnny Osborne would have a crafty drag of a fans fag. So to me fans like yourself who will just sit there and take what is served by this chairman are not helping,and may I say with no offence you do sound like a happy clapper. Then this club is on a Downward spiral .
Sadly ever since the involvement of Sky, the advent of the Premier League and billionaire chairmen the game has gone. Unfortunately you have to accept change or become the next Huddersfield or Preston North End.
I am not saying it makes it right but show me a team where the players drink with or have real (not for the cameras) affinity with the fans. It doesn't happen.  Players threaten to leave because they don't get given birthday cards ffs!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 15, 2014, 10:52:09 PM
i to have been a fan for 50 years this september and have seen many a high and low in my time, i have been to Bristol and seen us relegated been to Wembley with Ossie and promoted but what i think really upsets me is the waste of a golden opportunity to take the club forward '
I will  still keep my season ticket next season, but cannot take much more of what i went through last season and fear this maybe my last.
We are totally insignificant to Mr Peace and  anyone who can see positives from this appointment is really kidding themselves.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and i respect that so lets stop the hassle and just take in the comments, after all we all want our club to do well.
I can honestly say this is the lowest i have ever been as a fan,
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 15, 2014, 11:09:18 PM
So not made up of a survey of West Brom fans?
Indeed, which is probably why those in favour was as high as 16%!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on June 15, 2014, 11:32:29 PM
I bet the slimy worm will find some way of keeping our money as well!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 01:21:29 AM
.      I have been a supporter of this club for 50years, season ticket holder for most of them . Been through the bad days of relegation to the old 2nd division and been at the Hawthorns when there was only 8,000 of us on a wet Wednesday night . I have never in all my time felt like this I feel  it's not our club anymore . Gone are the days when Johnny Osborne would have a crafty drag of a fans fag. So to me fans like yourself who will just sit there and take what is served by this chairman are not helping,and may I say with no offence you do sound like a happy clapper. Then this club is on a Downward spiral .

Please don't patronise me.

I've been through all the bad times as you have said you have  :-\ this is the best period of sustained presence we've had in the top flight for many a long year & to hear all the negativity towards our club is embarrassing & something I know would not of happened 10 years ago.

A lot of WBA 'fans' have become so deluded & the expectation level is now beyond reality, talk of refunds for season tickets, banners against Peace, boycotting games FFS, maybe its time to show some maturity & live in the real world, life throws S***e at you sometimes, deal with it & move on.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 01:29:14 AM
As a business man he thought Steve Clarke and Pepe Mel were a good appointments. Oh yes and then when we were nearly relegated he didn't.   I'm so glad he and you  are "delighted " with the appointment as he was with the last two appointments.

Was that the Steve Clarke who got us an 8th placed finish & Mel who managed to keep us up despite all the turmoil he endured.

I never said I was 'delighted' with the appointment, just that I will back him, might be worth reading the post thoroughly before replying
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 06:42:52 AM
Was that the Steve Clarke who got us an 8th placed finish & Mel who managed to keep us up despite all the turmoil he endured.
I never said I was 'delighted' with the appointment, just that I will back him, might be worth reading the post thoroughly before replying

Sorry I would disagree and have to say we got to 8th place despite Steve Clarke and stayed up last season despite Pepe Mel.
But hey, this topic is about season tickets.
I've been duped this season, JP has got one over on me. I gaurentee he wont again.
I will hold off asking for my money back this season in the hope that Hazel can come on board and turn our lot around.
Failing that the money stays in my pocket next season.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: mifos on June 16, 2014, 07:36:37 AM
There is a survey on the E&S site with an approval rating around 16% for Irvine's appointment.
and those 16% will be dingles who havn't seen such a farce since terry connor's appointment
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 08:15:34 AM
Sorry I would disagree and have to say we got to 8th place despite Steve Clarke and stayed up last season despite Pepe Mel.
But hey, this topic is about season tickets.
I've been duped this season, JP has got one over on me. I gaurentee he wont again.
I will hold off asking for my money back this season in the hope that Hazel can come on board and turn our lot around.
Failing that the money stays in my pocket next season.

We'll have to agree to disagree that Clarke & Mel were Head Coach's when we finished 8th & avoided relegation respectively.

Regarding the rest of your post, I think you should ask for a refund if you believe you've been 'duped' I know I would, in fact if I felt like many seem to on this thread I would seek legal advice with a view to suing under the Trades Description act 1968, I mean how dare West Brom employ a Coach (with all the relevant badges, qualifications, references etc..) when they quite clearly knew that a lot of fans don't like him. 
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: baggiejohn on June 16, 2014, 08:26:54 AM
Can you qualify how you have come up with that statistic or have you just picked a number out of the air?

Just beat me to it. Baggiesfacts did a poll on twitter and got 80% against the appointment (from a sample size of 200 respondents) hardly 80% of the fans
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 08:28:02 AM
ticket office opens at 9
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 08:36:19 AM
We'll have to agree to disagree that Clarke & Mel were Head Coach's when we finished 8th & avoided relegation respectively.

Regarding the rest of your post, I think you should ask for a refund if you believe you've been 'duped' I know I would, in fact if I felt like many seem to on this thread I would seek legal advice with a view to suing under the Trades Description act 1968, I mean how dare West Brom employ a Coach (with all the relevant badges, qualifications, references etc..) when they quite clearly knew that a lot of fans don't like him.

He may have all the qualifications in the world but if he cant do the job then those qualifications mean absolutely nothing.
Would you sooner go to war with a leader straight out of Sandhurst with a certificate for hitting the bullseye on a target or a bloke whose done 3 tours of duty in Helman Providence unscathed?
His management record is at the best unispiring, he's never managed on his own at this level and the fact that he hasn't managed for 3 years says a lot.
He says he was offered the job before RDM since then we've had 4 managers, and he's never been put forward as candidate before any of those got the job.
I'm still in deep shock.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 08:42:43 AM
Just beat me to it. Baggiesfacts did a poll on twitter and got 80% against the appointment (from a sample size of 200 respondents) hardly 80% of the fans
Are there any statisticians amongst us? I suspect that 200 respondents is large enough to be statistically significant for mor general extrapolations to be drawn.

Have you sensed as many as 20% of people posting here as being in favour of Irvine's appointment? Whilst some people are trying to put a positive spin on it, I don't actually recall seeing anyone post saying that they're in favour of it.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: overseas baggie on June 16, 2014, 08:59:11 AM
I haven't seen anyone in favour of Irvine.  Apart from those of us vehemently against his appointment, the others seem to be prepared to wait to see how he does before judging him (which I can understand as its not Irvine's fault). 

From my estimate, I reckon the two groups are more like 90/10 split rather than 80/20 split.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 09:04:41 AM
Anyone yet made that call to the ticket office?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: BoingFlyer on June 16, 2014, 09:06:15 AM
Are there any statisticians amongst us? I suspect that 200 respondents is large enough to be statistically significant for mor general extrapolations to be drawn.

Have you sensed as many as 20% of people posting here as being in favour of Irvine's appointment? Whilst some people are trying to put a positive spin on it, I don't actually recall seeing anyone post saying that they're in favour of it.

The problem is people are more likely to post if they are unhappy about something, you would need to factor this in, also if people are prepared to wait and see how it goes before they express an opinion should be treated as in favour, this i assume would be the opinion of the silent majority.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 09:09:07 AM
Anyone yet made that call to the ticket office?


Yes i have just spoke to them.Apparently they will view your case differently.She told me to write to Mark Jenkins but its unlikely a refund will be offered
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 09:16:42 AM
He may have all the qualifications in the world but if he cant do the job then those qualifications mean absolutely nothing.
Would you sooner go to war with a leader straight out of Sandhurst with a certificate for hitting the bullseye on a target or a bloke whose done 3 tours of duty in Helman Providence unscathed?
His management record is at the best unispiring, he's never managed on his own at this level and the fact that he hasn't managed for 3 years says a lot.
He says he was offered the job before RDM since then we've had 4 managers, and he's never been put forward as candidate before any of those got the job.
I'm still in deep shock.

Not being pedantic as I feel its very relevant but you mentioned manager/management 4 times there, fact is he will not be the manager, he will be the 'head coach', he will have a lot of support around him (Burton etc..) & for that reason I will give the bloke a chance to see what he can do, he might fail, something, many seem to be hoping for, so they can sit back & tell us all 'I told you so', he might turn out to be the perfect match for the system we have at the Albion, who knows? time will tell, to be honest Irvine wouldn't of made my top 20 candidates for the job but I not going to slaughter the man before he's had the chance to turn the lights on in his office.   
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 09:21:01 AM
Not being pedantic as I feel its very relevant but you mentioned manager/management 4 times there, fact is he will not be the manager, he will be the 'head coach', he will have a lot of support around him (Burton etc..) & for that reason I will give the bloke a chance to see what he can do, he might fail, something, many seem to be hoping for, so they can sit back & tell us all 'I told you so', he might turn out to be the perfect match for the system we have at the Albion, who knows? time will tell, to be honest Irvine wouldn't of made my top 20 candidates for the job but I not going to slaughter the man before he's had the chance to turn the lights on in his office.

I reckon I could have listed 50 candidates and Irvine would not have appeared in it.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 09:24:29 AM
I reckon I could have listed 50 candidates and Irvine would not have appeared in it.

Ok BB, name that tune!  :D
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 16, 2014, 09:37:43 AM
WBA are refusing to give refunds their helpful suggestion is to write or email Mark Jenkins..... I guess they just want a riot for game of the season...... and to cap my bad mood I get am email from them selling last seasons DVD !!!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 09:41:22 AM
Does anyone know Mark Jenkins email address please
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 09:43:54 AM
The Birmingham Mail have got a reporter and photographer at the ground today if anyone wants to speak to them regarding season ticket refunds.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: daveyboy on June 16, 2014, 09:58:50 AM
I asked to speak to Jenkins and was told he's not on site today. That's appropriate!!

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: spencer Baggie on June 16, 2014, 10:06:55 AM
Lloydy beat me to it:

Birmingham Mail reporter will be at Hawthorns today - anybody wanting to get their voice heard, with/without banners, or to highlight season ticket refund, make sure you seek them out. 
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: tuamigos on June 16, 2014, 10:08:14 AM
WM phone in should be interesting tonight  :D
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 10:08:25 AM
Any of you folk going up on Saturday?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 10:09:19 AM
WM phone in should be interesting tonight  :D



Oh yes forgot about that.Franksie did say any appointment they will bring back the phone in
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Lloydy on June 16, 2014, 10:32:20 AM
Chris Lepkowski - "#wba fans seeking a ST refund are being asked to put their reasons in writing to club. Each case will be dealt with on individual basis"
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 16, 2014, 10:41:44 AM
Chris Lepkowski - "#wba fans seeking a ST refund are being asked to put their reasons in writing to club. Each case will be dealt with on individual basis"
Meaning each case will be politely "fobbed off" by the club and each case will be referred to the terms and conditions. I'll be amazed if the club makes any refunds short of terminal illness of death or change of personal circumstances.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 10:43:19 AM
Meaning each case will be politely "fobbed off" by the club and each case will be referred to the terms and conditions. I'll be amazed if the club makes any refunds short of terminal illness of death or change of personal circumstances.



I think because of our post code we would have a case
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 10:44:09 AM
I asked to speak to Jenkins and was told he's not on site today. That's appropriate!!



Press officer on Holiday aswell
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 10:47:20 AM
season ticket holder Brian on WM just been a season ticket for 70 years, not going anymore
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: albionicus on June 16, 2014, 11:28:42 AM
This is Jeremy Peace's internal e mail address:  jeremy.peace@wbafc.co.uk

Please copy and pass on to as many as possible.

With regards to season ticket refunds the  best route (imo) would be to find a legal practice who would act on behalf of all season ticket holders requiring a refund to launch a collective action against the club. Under UK and EU consumer law there must be routes that a lawyer could exploit to force the club's hand ( such as distance selling and for telephone and internet sales).

Anyway the threat of a collective action from hundreds of disgruntled fans and the resultant publicity could make things happen.

Is there anyone out there who could at least put together a template refund letter that has a legal argument basis to it that we can all use?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 11:31:03 AM
This is Jeremy Peace's internal e mail address:  jeremy.peace@wbafc.co.uk

Please copy and pass on to as many as possible.

With regards to season ticket refunds the  best route (imo) would be to find a legal practice who would act on behalf of all season ticket holders requiring a refund to launch a collective action against the club. Under UK and EU consumer law there must be routes that a lawyer could exploit to force the club's hand ( such as distance selling and for telephone and internet sales).

Anyway the threat of a collective action from hundreds of disgruntled fans and the resultant publicity could make things happen.

Is there anyone out there who could at least put together a template refund letter that has a legal argument basis to it that we can all use?



Good post.Do we have any legals in our ranks
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dangerman on June 16, 2014, 11:36:32 AM
I imagine it would be a no go. The t&c's will be water tight, this is JP after all.

The only possibility is distance selling rules but this is probably wouldn't work.

You could of course take it through the small claims court but given that this is a season ticket it's debatable wether it's classed as a product or a service as there would be different rules for both in regards to refunds etc.

The other option to look at would be for those who purchased on credit cards. There is always some kind of protection there as well but again not sure if it is possible.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on June 16, 2014, 11:42:24 AM
It was inevitable it would be a fight to get a refund. I have personal circumstances changing (we've recently put a deposit down on a house, last year of uni and costs/time will make it impractical) and i've forwarded an email to tickets/enquiries email addresses.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kc56wba on June 16, 2014, 11:44:31 AM
Serious question, do any of you really think that you have a cat in hell's chance of getting your money back?

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: jgwbaggie on June 16, 2014, 11:45:56 AM
all i will be doing is go up this season but after 41 years as a season ticket it is sad that this will be my last has i have had enough of watching this great club being torn apart by this chairman
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: robbo_wba on June 16, 2014, 11:56:08 AM
I can't believe the amount of fans that want a refund on their season ticket just because of the appointment of a Head Coach they don't agree with. Whilst I understand the anger, and I feel totally underwhelmed, I am disappointed by this over reaction from some of our fans. For me, it doesn't matter who is in charge, who our players are, or what division we are in. Albion is my club, and it would take A LOT more than just a bad appointment to stop me from going to the matches. I don't love the players, I don't love the manager, or the board or any of the staff. I love the feeling of waking up on a Saturday morning buzzing to be going to the Hawthorns whether we are playing Man United or Colchester. I love the butterflies I get every game walking up the steps and looking out onto the pitch. I love the days out, the fans, the incredible passion, and I love the club. Lets all take a deep breath and get some perspective.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 11:58:17 AM
I know someone who has been granted a re fund after stating in writing his reasons and claim 
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 12:04:09 PM
I can't believe the amount of fans that want a refund on their season ticket just because of the appointment of a Head Coach they don't agree with. Whilst I understand the anger, and I feel totally underwhelmed, I am disappointed by this over reaction from some of our fans. For me, it doesn't matter who is in charge, who our players are, or what division we are in. Albion is my club, and it would take A LOT more than just a bad appointment to stop me from going to the matches. I don't love the players, I don't love the manager, or the board or any of the staff. I love the feeling of waking up on a Saturday morning buzzing to be going to the Hawthorns whether we are playing Man United or Colchester. I love the butterflies I get every game walking up the steps and looking out onto the pitch. I love the days out, the fans, the incredible passion, and I love the club. Lets all take a deep breath and get some perspective.

When will people realise it's not just about the appointment. That was just the straw that broke the camels back. There's a massive collection of reasons, the timing of when it was announced, the treatment of Pepe Mel, the treatment of the Astle family an other ex players for that matter, the fact Downing and Keily are still in post. The list goes on and on.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: robbo_wba on June 16, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
When will people realise it's not just about the appointment. That was just the straw that broke the camels back. There's a massive collection of reasons, the timing of when it was announced, the treatment of Pepe Mel, the treatment of the Astle family an other ex players for that matter, the fact Downing and Keily are still in post. The list goes on and on.

Apart from the Astle issue, that is essentially all the same point. i.e. You don't agree with the choice of coaching staff.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 12:40:18 PM
You're quite right it is not just this appointment it is a whole stream of things.

Even the sponsors and investors are expected not just to give money but expect 2nd rate treatment.

The treatment of ex players by this regime is shocking and shambling, and is amongst the worst if not the worst across all divisions.

It is all about the £ sign, which is fine to a degree, however there has to be some compassion and understanding along the way, otherwise you will run out of sponsors and people willing to give their services and time for free, and in some cases at their cost
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 16, 2014, 12:48:00 PM
Apart from the Astle issue, that is essentially all the same point. i.e. You don't agree with the choice of coaching staff.

With due respect, as BB74 alluded to this, it is not just about the appointment. It is the way the club is being run and the real motives of JP. There has been a catalogue of disasters, the club being less than truthful with the fans, etc. The comments made by JP a month ago were empty promises as this appointment in no way matches with what he said. Then you can add the cynical announcement just before the England game to possibly attempt to lessen the adverse reaction the club was sure to expect. Add to that his attempt to buy more shares on the cheap to gain absolute control and allegedly using club assets for funding this and on top of that paying himself a very generous salary but tight on running the club.

These grievances are mainly against Peace and the new appointment has been the tipping point for many season ticket holders wanting a refund because they feel conned.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 12:50:43 PM
With due respect, as BB74 alluded to this, it is not just about the appointment. It is the way the club is being run and the real motives of JP. There has been a catalogue of disasters, the club being less than truthful with the fans, etc. The comments made by JP a month ago were empty promises as this appointment in no way matches with what he said. Then you can add the cynical announcement just before the England game to possibly attempt to lessen the adverse reaction the club was sure to expect. Add to that his attempt to buy more shares on the cheap to gain absolute control and allegedly using club assets for funding this and on top of that paying himself a very generous salary but tight on running the club.

These grievances are mainly against Peace and the new appointment has been the tipping point for many season ticket holders wanting a refund because they feel conned.

Perhaps he is trying to wear down the remaining investors so he can get their shares on the cheap, won't work with me though, I am not letting him have mine then sell the club and make a personal fortune and leave us in the brown stuff
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 01:55:07 PM
Any of you got a refund yet?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on June 16, 2014, 02:08:59 PM
I've called and emailed. The lady on the phone sounded thoroughly fed up!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 16, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
Email sent I will update when I receive a response.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
Yes keep us updated folks
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: robbo_wba on June 16, 2014, 02:23:36 PM
With due respect, as BB74 alluded to this, it is not just about the appointment. It is the way the club is being run and the real motives of JP. There has been a catalogue of disasters, the club being less than truthful with the fans, etc. The comments made by JP a month ago were empty promises as this appointment in no way matches with what he said. Then you can add the cynical announcement just before the England game to possibly attempt to lessen the adverse reaction the club was sure to expect. Add to that his attempt to buy more shares on the cheap to gain absolute control and allegedly using club assets for funding this and on top of that paying himself a very generous salary but tight on running the club.

These grievances are mainly against Peace and the new appointment has been the tipping point for many season ticket holders wanting a refund because they feel conned.


Ok, lets look at the "catalogue of disasters" you have outlined...

1. The cynical announcement and the comments made to the press. These are merely annoyances rather than "disasters", and they are only issues due to the fact you don't agree with the appointment of Irvine. So for me, it's essentially the same point. If Sherwood had been appointed, these would not be mentioned.

2. Attempt to buy more shares on the cheap. He is buying the shares with the intention to sell up. Why is this such an issue if you want him out? This not a good thing? "On the cheap" - I don't usually make a habit of paying extra for things for the sake of it either.

3. Generous salary. Agreed he is probably paid £500k too much. But the guy has overseen Albion's most successful period in nearly 30 years. Also, what he gets paid really doesn't affect me in the slightest as to whether I want to go watch my beloved Baggies.

4. Treatment of ex players. OK, I don't know too much exactly what you are alluding to here. Someone please outline for me? Either way, again I don't see how it can affect how I feel about going to a match.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:24:53 PM
Try emailing mark Jenkins, I am sure he will get the message once he has 16000 plus emails, I have his address if you want it
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
Can anybody not see the embarrassment this is piling on OUR club (  ??? oh yeah  ??? but Peace blah blah blah)

Just stop for a minute & think about what you're doing, if you don't want to go to the games anymore, fine! but you don't have to shout it from the rooftops just because nasty old Jeremy took his ball home, sorry people but thats what its beginning to sound like.

Where's the love for West Bromwich Albion that we are all supposed to have? protest's, banners, refunds  :-[ this is heartbreaking, I never thought I'd see this kind of stuff from the fans of this great club   :'(

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 02:38:15 PM
Can anybody not see the embarrassment this is piling on OUR club (  ??? oh yeah  ??? but Peace blah blah blah)

Just stop for a minute & think about what you're doing, if you don't want to go to the games anymore, fine! but you don't have to shout it from the rooftops just because nasty old Jeremy took his ball home, sorry people but thats what its beginning to sound like.

Where's the love for West Bromwich Albion that we are all supposed to have? protest's, banners, refunds  :-[ this is heartbreaking, I never thought I'd see this kind of stuff from the fans of this great club   :'(



Astle, Honour the Bomber are only but a few.They wont even contribute towards the three degrees statue.Last season and whats happening now is the tip of the ice berg.If i dont get a refund then i will donate my seat to charity and i wont renew until Peace has gone.Ok if we are doing better than expected i will pick and choose
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: robbo_wba on June 16, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
Can anybody not see the embarrassment this is piling on OUR club (  ??? oh yeah  ??? but Peace blah blah blah)

Just stop for a minute & think about what you're doing, if you don't want to go to the games anymore, fine! but you don't have to shout it from the rooftops just because nasty old Jeremy took his ball home, sorry people but thats what its beginning to sound like.

Where's the love for West Bromwich Albion that we are all supposed to have? protest's, banners, refunds  :-[ this is heartbreaking, I never thought I'd see this kind of stuff from the fans of this great club   :'(

Hallelujah this man!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 16, 2014, 02:39:41 PM
Can anybody not see the embarrassment this is piling on OUR club (  ??? oh yeah  ??? but Peace blah blah blah)

Just stop for a minute & think about what you're doing, if you don't want to go to the games anymore, fine! but you don't have to shout it from the rooftops just because nasty old Jeremy took his ball home, sorry people but thats what its beginning to sound like.

Where's the love for West Bromwich Albion that we are all supposed to have? protest's, banners, refunds  :-[ this is heartbreaking, I never thought I'd see this kind of stuff from the fans of this great club   :'(

Agree 100%. It's all well and good being angry and not wanting to go, but wishing a man who merely applied for the job (and who must himself feel he can do a good job) away and abusing him and saying they wish the club would get relegated. If you wanted the club relegated you'd be ecstatic. It's not some 'necessary evil' it's idiotic. You're so mad that the club has made an appointment that instead of hoping and praying it goes ok you HOPE we go down? That's imbecilic.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:40:23 PM
Hallelujah this man!
So is everyone expected to sit back and take the rubbish this man. Is bringing on this club
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 16, 2014, 02:41:17 PM
Can anybody not see the embarrassment this is piling on OUR club (  ??? oh yeah  ??? but Peace blah blah blah)
Have you stopped to consider that it's Peace's actions that have piled embarrassment on the club? If he didn't keep doing things which made the fans feel disaffected, none of this would be happening. You're trying to push onto the fans what you should be blaming him for.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 02:42:45 PM
Can anybody not see the embarrassment this is piling on OUR club (  ??? oh yeah  ??? but Peace blah blah blah)

Just stop for a minute & think about what you're doing, if you don't want to go to the games anymore, fine! but you don't have to shout it from the rooftops just because nasty old Jeremy took his ball home, sorry people but thats what its beginning to sound like.

Where's the love for West Bromwich Albion that we are all supposed to have? protest's, banners, refunds  :-[ this is heartbreaking, I never thought I'd see this kind of stuff from the fans of this great club   :'(

Of course it's heartbreaking, however it's heartbreaking to see how Peace is just railroading things through and making a complete mockery of our club with his ridiculous statements and signings, time something was done
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
And STILL people are pandering to JP! incredible
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kamarasboot on June 16, 2014, 02:47:33 PM
Can anybody not see the embarrassment this is piling on OUR club (  ??? oh yeah  ??? but Peace blah blah blah)

Just stop for a minute & think about what you're doing, if you don't want to go to the games anymore, fine! but you don't have to shout it from the rooftops just because nasty old Jeremy took his ball home, sorry people but thats what its beginning to sound like.

Where's the love for West Bromwich Albion that we are all supposed to have? protest's, banners, refunds  :-[ this is heartbreaking, I never thought I'd see this kind of stuff from the fans of this great club   :'(

Can you not see the embarrassment already put on the club by JP after this appointment? it makes it sound like we're the only ones who think its a bad choice - check the social media outlets - JP has done far more 'embarrassing' damage to this club than what the fans are doing now. I would suspect majority of fans from other clubs are actually sympathetic to us rather than embarrassed for us.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 16, 2014, 02:49:40 PM
I can't believe the amount of fans that want a refund on their season ticket just because of the appointment of a Head Coach they don't agree with. Whilst I understand the anger, and I feel totally underwhelmed, I am disappointed by this over reaction from some of our fans. For me, it doesn't matter who is in charge, who our players are, or what division we are in. Albion is my club, and it would take A LOT more than just a bad appointment to stop me from going to the matches. I don't love the players, I don't love the manager, or the board or any of the staff. I love the feeling of waking up on a Saturday morning buzzing to be going to the Hawthorns whether we are playing Man United or Colchester. I love the butterflies I get every game walking up the steps and looking out onto the pitch. I love the days out, the fans, the incredible passion, and I love the club. Lets all take a deep breath and get some perspective.

if it was purely about this appointment I would probably agree with you. Most of us feel this is the last straw as far as Peace is concerned. PEACE OUT.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: robbo_wba on June 16, 2014, 02:53:08 PM
So is everyone expected to sit back and take the rubbish this man. Is bringing on this club

I too am angry, disappointed, and underwhelmed with the situation the club is currently in. However, the main point I'm trying to make is that it is nowhere near bad enough for me to even consider giving up my season ticket. I have a feeling the team will need our support next season more than ever.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 16, 2014, 02:54:42 PM
Peace has appointed him and last time I checked you're supposed to see what happens before you start blaming people. I think he's the wrong appointment but how can some people not see that protesting, slating the head coach and saying how disgraceful it is is absolutely insane until he proves to be the wrong appointment. You could be there protesting and saying Irvine out and he could win our first five games. I don't think he will but until he's lost them don't treat him or the club like he has. If this does turn out to be a positive appointment who's going to look fickle when opinions change? You're making bolt statements that are printed in press and painted on bed sheets on the gates then you better be psychic and fortune tellers.

And before I get branded a blind optimistic who's being delusional I reinforce I don't think he's right for us but he's not even moved into his office yet. Slating Peace as the final straw before we see the result of the appointment is pathetic. What if it works out and you've spent time, effort and money on protests and you look stupid? Through sheer anger and embarrassment at our fans, come on Irvine show us why you've been hired. If he fails I'll join the Peace Out brigade. But I'm not French, he's innocent until proven guilty.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WestBromJim on June 16, 2014, 02:58:08 PM
Peace has appointed him and last time I checked you're supposed to see what happens before you start blaming people. I think he's the wrong appointment but how can some people not see that protesting, slating the head coach and saying how disgraceful it is is absolutely insane until he proves to be the wrong appointment. You could be there protesting and saying Irvine out and he could win our first five games. I don't think he will but until he's lost them don't treat him or the club like he has. If this does turn out to be a positive appointment who's going to look fickle when opinions change? You're making bolt statements that are printed in press and painted on bed sheets on the gates then you better be psychic and fortune tellers.

And before I get branded a blind optimistic who's being delusional I reinforce I don't think he's right for us but he's not even moved into his office yet. Slating Peace as the final straw before we see the result of the appointment is pathetic. What if it works out and you've spent time, effort and money on protests and you look stupid? Through sheer anger and embarrassment at our fans, come on Irvine show us why you've been hired. If he fails I'll join the Peace Out brigade. But I'm not French, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Agree with the sentiment 100% pal, but, your assuming that JP gives a chiselled s***, Alan Irvine should be given every chance, this isn't what it's about; I for one will be singing "Alan Irvine's White with blue pinstriped army"
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 03:00:54 PM
Peace has appointed him and last time I checked you're supposed to see what happens before you start blaming people. I think he's the wrong appointment but how can some people not see that protesting, slating the head coach and saying how disgraceful it is is absolutely insane until he proves to be the wrong appointment. You could be there protesting and saying Irvine out and he could win our first five games. I don't think he will but until he's lost them don't treat him or the club like he has. If this does turn out to be a positive appointment who's going to look fickle when opinions change? You're making bolt statements that are printed in press and painted on bed sheets on the gates then you better be psychic and fortune tellers.

And before I get branded a blind optimistic who's being delusional I reinforce I don't think he's right for us but he's not even moved into his office yet. Slating Peace as the final straw before we see the result of the appointment is pathetic. What if it works out and you've spent time, effort and money on protests and you look stupid? Through sheer anger and embarrassment at our fans, come on Irvine show us why you've been hired. If he fails I'll join the Peace Out brigade. But I'm not French, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Fully understand where your coming and fully respect your comments.

However, sitting back previously has got us nowhere except back to square one or worse, we all have a 'feeling' how this is going to pan out, and unless Peace has a good reason for this strange appointment, unless he is prepared to publicly 'put us all right and assure us' this is the right decision then I think all paying public and paying sponsors and investors have a god given right to express their disappointment and concerns.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kamarasboot on June 16, 2014, 03:07:08 PM
Peace has appointed him and last time I checked you're supposed to see what happens before you start blaming people. I think he's the wrong appointment but how can some people not see that protesting, slating the head coach and saying how disgraceful it is is absolutely insane until he proves to be the wrong appointment. You could be there protesting and saying Irvine out and he could win our first five games. I don't think he will but until he's lost them don't treat him or the club like he has. If this does turn out to be a positive appointment who's going to look fickle when opinions change? You're making bolt statements that are printed in press and painted on bed sheets on the gates then you better be psychic and fortune tellers.

And before I get branded a blind optimistic who's being delusional I reinforce I don't think he's right for us but he's not even moved into his office yet. Slating Peace as the final straw before we see the result of the appointment is pathetic. What if it works out and you've spent time, effort and money on protests and you look stupid? Through sheer anger and embarrassment at our fans, come on Irvine show us why you've been hired. If he fails I'll join the Peace Out brigade. But I'm not French, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Understand what you're saying, but at some point you have to take a stand, otherwise we'll just be going round in a vicious circle. When is it ok to protest? Irvine comes in loses 8 of his first 10, JP sacks him and spends another month doing 'Due Dilligence' and appoints someone equally poor the circle continues - but we can't protest because we have to give people a chance.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: bangkokbaggie on June 16, 2014, 03:08:51 PM

Ok, lets look at the "catalogue of disasters" you have outlined...

1. The cynical announcement and the comments made to the press. These are merely annoyances rather than "disasters", and they are only issues due to the fact you don't agree with the appointment of Irvine. So for me, it's essentially the same point. If Sherwood had been appointed, these would not be mentioned.

2. Attempt to buy more shares on the cheap. He is buying the shares with the intention to sell up. Why is this such an issue if you want him out? This not a good thing? "On the cheap" - I don't usually make a habit of paying extra for things for the sake of it either.

3. Generous salary. Agreed he is probably paid £500k too much. But the guy has overseen Albion's most successful period in nearly 30 years. Also, what he gets paid really doesn't affect me in the slightest as to whether I want to go watch my beloved Baggies.

4. Treatment of ex players. OK, I don't know too much exactly what you are alluding to here. Someone please outline for me? Either way, again I don't see how it can affect how I feel about going to a match.

Point 1. I am not going to waste my time giving you more examples on the disasters. So you are happy with the way last season panned out then? Even JP said that mistakes were made. 

Point 2. So you don't mind him apparently using club assets to fund the purchase when he finally sells out?

Point 3. Whilst I don't disagree with you I still believe that what he pays himself is out of proportion for the size of club we are.

Point 4. That wasn't me, you've got mixed up with another poster.

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Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 16, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
Peace has appointed him and last time I checked you're supposed to see what happens before you start blaming people. I think he's the wrong appointment but how can some people not see that protesting, slating the head coach and saying how disgraceful it is is absolutely insane until he proves to be the wrong appointment. You could be there protesting and saying Irvine out and he could win our first five games. I don't think he will but until he's lost them don't treat him or the club like he has. If this does turn out to be a positive appointment who's going to look fickle when opinions change? You're making bolt statements that are printed in press and painted on bed sheets on the gates then you better be psychic and fortune tellers.

And before I get branded a blind optimistic who's being delusional I reinforce I don't think he's right for us but he's not even moved into his office yet. Slating Peace as the final straw before we see the result of the appointment is pathetic. What if it works out and you've spent time, effort and money on protests and you look stupid? Through sheer anger and embarrassment at our fans, come on Irvine show us why you've been hired. If he fails I'll join the Peace Out brigade. But I'm not French, he's innocent until proven guilty.

Excellent post, I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 16, 2014, 03:17:28 PM
Can you not see the embarrassment already put on the club by JP after this appointment? it makes it sound like we're the only ones who think its a bad choice - check the social media outlets - JP has done far more 'embarrassing' damage to this club than what the fans are doing now. I would suspect majority of fans from other clubs are actually sympathetic to us rather than embarrassed for us.

What I can see is a club that is debt free run by people who know how to balance the books (you don't have to go too far back in history to see EX Prem teams who are now languishing in lower leagues), a club that is probably the best run in the Football League/Premier, a club about to embark on its FIFTH season in the top flight, a club who's consistently kept season ticket prices amongst the lowest in the League, I probably could go on but you get the gist.

Yes Peace makes mistakes & this could prove to be his biggest but equally it could work out to be a good appointment, none of us know right now, as I think psalm pointed out, how daft will you feel if we have a great season & you got a refund & missed it all.   
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Baggie953 on June 16, 2014, 03:18:39 PM
As far as I'm concerned enough is enough and I have lost interest in attending games; and confidence in the current owners. Peace has never listened to the fans so the only option, as I see it, is to leave an empty hole where I have sat for many seasons! 

I'm not getting any response from the Ticket Office to requests to cancel my season ticket.

I guess they are being inundated but has anyone had any luck?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
As far as I'm concerned enough is enough and I have lost interest in attending games; and confidence in the current owners. Peace has never listened to the fans so the only option, as I see it, is to leave an empty hole where I have sat for many seasons! 

I'm not getting any response from the Ticket Office to requests to cancel my season ticket.

I guess they are being inundated but has anyone had any luck?

Email mark Jenkins as many others are
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
Email mark Jenkins as many others are



Thats what we are told when we call the ticket office
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 03:23:19 PM


Thats what we are told when we call the ticket office

He won't reply but if we know everyone is emailing him, we can force his corner as to why he is ignoring everyone's email, hopefully the press can ask that question
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kamarasboot on June 16, 2014, 03:26:49 PM
What I can see is a club that is debt free run by people who know how to balance the books (you don't have to go too far back in history to see EX Prem teams who are now languishing in lower leagues), a club that is probably the best run in the Football League/Premier, a club about to embark on its FIFTH season in the top flight, a club who's consistently kept season ticket prices amongst the lowest in the League, I probably could go on but you get the gist.

Yes Peace makes mistakes & this could prove to be his biggest but equally it could work out to be a good appointment, none of us know right now, as I think psalm pointed out, how daft will you feel if we have a great season & you got a refund & missed it all.   

I won't feel daft, I stopped attending games mid last season purely because as a fan I no longer feel connected with the club and haven't renewed this season - nothing to do with Irvine's appointment.

As for the 1st part of your post, it kind of ducks the question, yes we're well run, yes we're coming into our fifth premiership season - but there's also fans of 91 other leagues clubs pissing themselves about our predicament. I hope Irvine shocks everyone, I have my doubts, but if he doesn't and it goes how majority of fans expect it to, please feel free to let me know how it feels to be a well run, debt free club.

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: gingaprince on June 16, 2014, 03:38:28 PM
You will not get a refund out of the Albion. They would take the hole out your last polo if they could!

( also it is in their terms and conditions)

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 03:41:26 PM
You will not get a refund out of the Albion. They would take the hole out your last polo if they could!

( also it is in their terms and conditions)


If they who dont get a refund and dont want to go just sell your seat on a match basis or obviously to someone who wants to buy your ticket.Not many then :)
Sell your season tickets via whatever means and the club wont sell anymore of whats left.Hit them that way
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 03:42:01 PM
I reckon a member of the admin staff are now frantically mail merging a letter which says something like.

Dear xxx

Thank you for your recent letter. Season tickets are sold on a non refundable basis, please see section xxx of the terms and conditions which are outlined below.

Now jog on suckers.

Yours sincerely

Mark Jenkins
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 16, 2014, 04:53:44 PM
Just had an email from Simon Carrington the clubs legal counsel/secretary.The club will respond to me in due course
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Baggie953 on June 16, 2014, 04:56:14 PM
Email mark Jenkins as many others are

Thanks for the advice, email sent.

Such a shame that it has come to this but I cannot sit here and accept what is happening at the Albion without airing my views. What's next, shirts sponsored by "Budget rent-a-car" and eating snacks from 'Happy Shopper'! and I guess blue dye must cost more than white hence the new pin-stripe shirts!

Frustrated!!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Foreverbaggie on June 16, 2014, 05:02:27 PM
Just had an email from Simon Carrington the clubs legal counsel/secretary.The club will respond to me in due course

Obviously very concerned by the large number of requests they are getting
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2014, 05:32:30 PM
I can't see the club sanctioning any refunds. If they do then it will set a precedent and any signing we make that people are unhappy with or any other decision that is made can mean fans will try and get a refund over any decision they don't agree with.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 16, 2014, 05:55:17 PM
I've not even had a reply but I guess they are counting how many have requested a refund
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: wbarenno on June 16, 2014, 06:02:53 PM
I've not even had a reply but I guess they are counting how many have requested a refund

Hopefully 16,000!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: tegga on June 16, 2014, 08:20:51 PM
Hopefully 16,000!
It will not be 16,000, I for one will not be asking for a refund. I am shocked by the appointment, but it's not enough to stop me attending next season.

Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: VVVAlbion on June 16, 2014, 08:56:15 PM
Very simply when sensible decisions are made with the clubs best interest at heart along with its supporters. Get used to your pathetic yawn jibe as you will be doing plenty of yawning next season.  Look me up in a few years when no doubt I will be at Grimsby on a Wednesday night but some how I doubt you will be there. Yawn!
Nice chip shop just down from the ground on the Cleethorpes sea front.  Don't believe I'll be visiting it anytime soon.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Gilsey 56 on June 16, 2014, 09:04:24 PM
Just wondering how many of our players will be inspired by this appointment.
Not that I am to worried about who leaves at this moment, but I bet they will.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Albionic on June 16, 2014, 10:33:16 PM
I'm really struggling to understand why some people cannot appreciate that the level of anger is not directed at Irvine, he applied and got the job, good luck Alan, We really want you to be a success.

The anger is about the deceit, the devaluing of our traditions, the lack of integrity in dealings with customers / stakeholders.

The customers were fans now they are simply dis-enchanted bystanders while WBA holdings ploughs forward with an agenda which none of us understand, cannot buy into or get behind.

For the record I have been an outspoken supporter of JP's tenure, he HAS in the PAST done very good things for the club, I don't begrudge an OTT salary / dividend for a chairman who drives the club forward, but it is totally unacceptable to act in the manner of recent weeks.

Abusing a good man (MEL)
Dis-respecting a legends family (Astle)
Financially deceiving fans from one of the poorest demographics in the country (wait until 14 days after season ticket closure, then attempting to bury the news of Alan Irvines appointment)
Using stalking hoses in the "selection" process
PR gaffe after PR gaffe (Happy fathers day, my ass)
The strip debacle
Losing sponsors

I'm sure I could go on with stuff regarding the football department, but the point is JP has presided over this, he takes the cream, he now has to take the bile his actions have generated.

Saddened, dis-illusioned but still a life long Baggie
COYB
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 17, 2014, 02:09:34 PM
How may people on here have emailed the club for a refund? and how many have had any kind of a response yet? Ive still not had a peep from them.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 17, 2014, 03:23:40 PM
How may people on here have emailed the club for a refund? and how many have had any kind of a response yet? Ive still not had a peep from them.


You said the same yesterday, maybe they are just ploughing through the backlog
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Greenock Baggie on June 17, 2014, 03:29:49 PM

You said the same yesterday, maybe they are just ploughing through the backlog
I've heard nothing either !!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 19, 2014, 04:03:32 PM
Change of heart anyone?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 19, 2014, 07:20:51 PM
Change of heart anyone?

Why? because we might sign 1 good player to try and satisfy and keep quiet the angry masses. I had stopped posting on here as the happy 'sit down'clappers did my head in but as you know this isn't just about the appointment of Alan Irvine since JP took the club over we was a premier league team with a new stand and a training ground. He took us over on the promise he was keeping megson on but was telling Thompson to sack him previously. The club paid his 8 million Barclay loan off, the sacking and gagging of megson, the promise when he ripped the woodman down it was because the east stand could be increased, the scandal of forcing the fans (who saved this club) to sell the shares to him (on the cheap) the clever accounting (which has been reported on here before) the purchase of property (again using clubs funds)which has no connection to the football club and god knows where the ownership of these sits, the closure of the supporters club, selling 2 strikers in jan and not replacing them, the plans to rebuild the halfords lane and then shelves it to set up a drive through coffee shop, the current plans to buy more shares which information would suggest the club would pay for them, the awful treatment of pepe Mel, the low on how WBA is viewed in football circles, the treatment of the Astle family, the bomber campaign and wait for the new kit, take your pic there are plenty more examples I can list. At the moment he is panicking when have you known him approach the press?  I'm not that concerned that the club is a cash cow for him but destroying the clubs history (woodman/ club kits) and not helping the manager coach whatever to build on something I still feel a big part of WBA has left my heart and no I cannot go to Halesowen or anywhere else once a Baggie always a Baggie but at the moment possibly from afar unless JP changes his views and engage with fans I don't want 10 million pound signings and 50k a week players but last season we just needed 4 good players and things would have been so different.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: timdon on June 19, 2014, 07:40:39 PM
Why? because we might sign 1 good player to try and satisfy and keep quiet the angry masses. I had stopped posting on here as the happy 'sit down'clappers did my head in but as you know this isn't just about the appointment of Alan Irvine since JP took the club over we was a premier league team with a new stand and a training ground. He took us over on the promise he was keeping megson on but was telling Thompson to sack him previously. The club paid his 8 million Barclay loan off, the sacking and gagging of megson, the promise when he ripped the woodman down it was because the east stand could be increased, the scandal of forcing the fans (who saved this club) to sell the shares to him (on the cheap) the clever accounting (which has been reported on here before) the purchase of property (again using clubs funds)which has no connection to the football club and god knows where the ownership of these sits, the closure of the supporters club, selling 2 strikers in jan and not replacing them, the plans to rebuild the halfords lane and then shelves it to set up a drive through coffee shop, the current plans to buy more shares which information would suggest the club would pay for them, the awful treatment of pepe Mel, the low on how WBA is viewed in football circles, the treatment of the Astle family, the bomber campaign and wait for the new kit, take your pic there are plenty more examples I can list. At the moment he is panicking when have you known him approach the press?  I'm not that concerned that the club is a cash cow for him but destroying the clubs history (woodman/ club kits) and not helping the manager coach whatever to build on something I still feel a big part of WBA has left my heart and no I cannot go to Halesowen or anywhere else once a Baggie always a Baggie but at the moment possibly from afar unless JP changes his views and engage with fans I don't want 10 million pound signings and 50k a week players but last season we just needed 4 good players and things would have been so different.

Very good summing up of everything that is wrong with the club, and much of the blame for it lays with Jeremy, that's for sure.
Anyway, has anyone actually had a reply from the Club yet? Other than the automated reply I mean.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: jazzswinger on June 19, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
Why? because we might sign 1 good player to try and satisfy and keep quiet the angry masses. I had stopped posting on here as the happy 'sit down'clappers did my head in but as you know this isn't just about the appointment of Alan Irvine since JP took the club over we was a premier league team with a new stand and a training ground. He took us over on the promise he was keeping megson on but was telling Thompson to sack him previously. The club paid his 8 million Barclay loan off, the sacking and gagging of megson, the promise when he ripped the woodman down it was because the east stand could be increased, the scandal of forcing the fans (who saved this club) to sell the shares to him (on the cheap) the clever accounting (which has been reported on here before) the purchase of property (again using clubs funds)which has no connection to the football club and god knows where the ownership of these sits, the closure of the supporters club, selling 2 strikers in jan and not replacing them, the plans to rebuild the halfords lane and then shelves it to set up a drive through coffee shop, the current plans to buy more shares which information would suggest the club would pay for them, the awful treatment of pepe Mel, the low on how WBA is viewed in football circles, the treatment of the Astle family, the bomber campaign and wait for the new kit, take your pic there are plenty more examples I can list. At the moment he is panicking when have you known him approach the press?  I'm not that concerned that the club is a cash cow for him but destroying the clubs history (woodman/ club kits) and not helping the manager coach whatever to build on something I still feel a big part of WBA has left my heart and no I cannot go to Halesowen or anywhere else once a Baggie always a Baggie but at the moment possibly from afar unless JP changes his views and engage with fans I don't want 10 million pound signings and 50k a week players but last season we just needed 4 good players and things would have been so different.

well said Kirk, go with your initial gut feelings, peace is a .........
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 20, 2014, 09:48:14 AM
Why? because we might sign 1 good player to try and satisfy and keep quiet the angry masses. I had stopped posting on here as the happy 'sit down'clappers did my head in but as you know this isn't just about the appointment of Alan Irvine since JP took the club over we was a premier league team with a new stand and a training ground. He took us over on the promise he was keeping megson on but was telling Thompson to sack him previously. The club paid his 8 million Barclay loan off, the sacking and gagging of megson, the promise when he ripped the woodman down it was because the east stand could be increased, the scandal of forcing the fans (who saved this club) to sell the shares to him (on the cheap) the clever accounting (which has been reported on here before) the purchase of property (again using clubs funds)which has no connection to the football club and god knows where the ownership of these sits, the closure of the supporters club, selling 2 strikers in jan and not replacing them, the plans to rebuild the halfords lane and then shelves it to set up a drive through coffee shop, the current plans to buy more shares which information would suggest the club would pay for them, the awful treatment of pepe Mel, the low on how WBA is viewed in football circles, the treatment of the Astle family, the bomber campaign and wait for the new kit, take your pic there are plenty more examples I can list. At the moment he is panicking when have you known him approach the press?  I'm not that concerned that the club is a cash cow for him but destroying the clubs history (woodman/ club kits) and not helping the manager coach whatever to build on something I still feel a big part of WBA has left my heart and no I cannot go to Halesowen or anywhere else once a Baggie always a Baggie but at the moment possibly from afar unless JP changes his views and engage with fans I don't want 10 million pound signings and 50k a week players but last season we just needed 4 good players and things would have been so different.

This is the tip of the iceberg!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 20, 2014, 09:57:15 AM
Don't mean to annoy anyone but suggesting we are signing one good player to appease fans is a bit silly - we've signed him because he's available, in our price range and better than anyone in the team currently - we've signed him to improve the team first and foremost. I could understand appeasement if we signed a £15m player who'd be a stand out star in the squad but this is good business.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 20, 2014, 10:00:10 AM
Don't mean to annoy anyone but suggesting we are signing one good player to appease fans is a bit silly - we've signed him because he's available, in our price range and better than anyone in the team currently - we've signed him to improve the team first and foremost. I could understand appeasement if we signed a £15m player who'd be a stand out star in the squad but this is good business.

Its only good business if the intent is to bring in the rest of a team, rather than dampen dissenting voices.

If we don't make other good signings Lescott's wages are a waste of money.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 20, 2014, 02:31:13 PM
Change of heart now for anybody with these potential signings.I have withdrawn my refund request.Club official crossed me off his list.
What else am i going to do on a weekend. still concerned with the way the club is being run so i will still be there tomorrow to join any peacful protest
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 23, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
Anyone had an email asking for an address to send a letter to.Most likely saying sorry but you cant have your money back
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 23, 2014, 01:04:19 PM
Why? because we might sign 1 good player to try and satisfy and keep quiet the angry masses. I had stopped posting on here as the happy 'sit down'clappers did my head in but as you know this isn't just about the appointment of Alan Irvine since JP took the club over we was a premier league team with a new stand and a training ground. He took us over on the promise he was keeping megson on but was telling Thompson to sack him previously. The club paid his 8 million Barclay loan off, the sacking and gagging of megson, the promise when he ripped the woodman down it was because the east stand could be increased, the scandal of forcing the fans (who saved this club) to sell the shares to him (on the cheap) the clever accounting (which has been reported on here before) the purchase of property (again using clubs funds)which has no connection to the football club and god knows where the ownership of these sits, the closure of the supporters club, selling 2 strikers in jan and not replacing them, the plans to rebuild the halfords lane and then shelves it to set up a drive through coffee shop, the current plans to buy more shares which information would suggest the club would pay for them, the awful treatment of pepe Mel, the low on how WBA is viewed in football circles, the treatment of the Astle family, the bomber campaign and wait for the new kit, take your pic there are plenty more examples I can list. At the moment he is panicking when have you known him approach the press?  I'm not that concerned that the club is a cash cow for him but destroying the clubs history (woodman/ club kits) and not helping the manager coach whatever to build on something I still feel a big part of WBA has left my heart and no I cannot go to Halesowen or anywhere else once a Baggie always a Baggie but at the moment possibly from afar unless JP changes his views and engage with fans I don't want 10 million pound signings and 50k a week players but last season we just needed 4 good players and things would have been so different.

When you put it like that...  >:(

Makes for a grim list doesn't it. Let's see what this pre-season does, not at all out of a love-in with Peace, but to see if we have a ghost's left in the Prem come May...
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBArgo on June 24, 2014, 12:16:53 PM
Got a letter today saying any ST holder who submitted a written request for a refund from June 14th-21st June would be welcome to a refund. Basically you have to send a letter to a given address to confirm your refund, otherwise the club assumes you have changed your mind.

Fair play to the club for doing this - a lot of people said that refunds wouldn't be allowed and accused the club of penny pinching. Admittedly I acted in the heat of the moment and will be keeping my ST, but if you truly want a refund then the offer is there.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 24, 2014, 12:24:24 PM
Got a letter today saying any ST holder who submitted a written request for a refund from June 14th-21st June would be welcome to a refund. Basically you have to send a letter to a given address to confirm your refund, otherwise the club assumes you have changed your mind.

Fair play to the club for doing this - a lot of people said that refunds wouldn't be allowed and accused the club of penny pinching. Admittedly I acted in the heat of the moment and will be keeping my ST, but if you truly want a refund then the offer is there.



Well said and a good gesture from the club. Like you i had a change of heart which i assume many others have too
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: leeiswba on June 24, 2014, 12:25:01 PM
Got a letter today saying any ST holder who submitted a written request for a refund from June 14th-21st June would be welcome to a refund. Basically you have to send a letter to a given address to confirm your refund, otherwise the club assumes you have changed your mind.

Fair play to the club for doing this - a lot of people said that refunds wouldn't be allowed and accused the club of penny pinching. Admittedly I acted in the heat of the moment and will be keeping my ST, but if you truly want a refund then the offer is there.

Let them have it, but then if we start having a decent season and they want to come back tell them where to go!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 24, 2014, 12:41:16 PM
Is it just me, or do people's attitudes change like the wind or on a whim?
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Mr Cynical on June 24, 2014, 01:02:59 PM
Is it just me, or do people's attitudes change like the wind or on a whim?

People react emotionally and then consider it logically.

I'd have quit after the great surrender... but I still have a ST and its for two reasons 1. Seeing my mates, who I wouldn't have an excuse to catch up with every 2 weeks (and without other halves); and 2. I like shouting at strangers... where else can you do that?  Sometimes even relives lifes frustrations - although last season it mainly added to them.

Emotionally I want to tell JP to stick it up his ar$e, but logically I want to go to the games, see my mates and shout at strangers more.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WBArgo on June 24, 2014, 01:16:38 PM
Is it just me, or do people's attitudes change like the wind or on a whim?

As Mr Cynical said, it was purely emotional. Generally I'm not an emotional person but when it comes to football I am, and since then I have had time to reflect on it more so.

For the record I was never one of the ones screaming 'PEACE OUT', I didn't care about a protest and generally I'm not as passionate as most fans - I don't think Peace is purposely harming this club either and do think his intentions are generally in the right place. However, I was upset with the decision - and still think it's a poor appointment.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 24, 2014, 01:23:33 PM
Emotionally I want to tell JP to stick it up his ar$e, but logically I want to go to the games, see my mates and shout at strangers more.
Might you have logically and emotionally the wrong way round there?!  ;D
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 24, 2014, 01:42:17 PM
Hopefully some people go through with their refund request, solely because of the utter contempt they had towards the club, its custodians, and the people on here telling them to calm down. If you're that susceptible to knee jerk reactions maybe you need to live by your snap decisions in order to learn from them.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Dexy on June 24, 2014, 02:03:56 PM
Is it just me, or do people's attitudes change like the wind or on a whim?
Having been a Mod on here for a number of years i can say 100% yes to your question! ;D
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 24, 2014, 03:28:44 PM
If I was JP, I would refund all requests & then respectfully ask those not to bother applying again, sorry if that offends, just the way I feel at the total over reaction to the recent events.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Signor_Maresca on June 24, 2014, 04:19:25 PM
If I was JP, I would refund all requests & then respectfully ask those not to bother applying again, sorry if that offends, just the way I feel at the total over reaction to the recent events.

Absolutely spot on, the way a few of our ‘supporters’ make these frequent season ticket withdrawal claims on the basis of something not going the way they would have ideally liked is pathetic.  Like spoilt little babies, embarrassing our support base.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: talkSAFT on June 24, 2014, 04:21:13 PM
Wolves and Villa will welcome your support with open arms. But don't do it!!!
If you want to support a Club who does exactly what you want when you want it my advice is to go to Man City or Chelsea. (You've probably got ManU in mind, but I've a feeling they're not going to win anything for a few years).
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: timdon on June 24, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
Hopefully some people go through with their refund request, solely because of the utter contempt they had towards the club, its custodians, and the people on here telling them to calm down. If you're that susceptible to knee jerk reactions maybe you need to live by your snap decisions in order to learn from them.

Football is a passionate game. Supporters' passion sometimes boils over into frustration, especially when poor decisions which affect their club seem to have been made. I don't think that this sort of pompous taking of the moral high ground, using emotive language like "utter contempt" and "knee jerk reactions" really adds anything helpful to the discussion. It just shows a lack of understanding about how people feel. You seem to think that everything is rosy in the garden, or at the very least that everything is rosy until results prove otherwise. Some of us beg to differ and think that our club has some deep rooted problems and that we are in for an extremely difficult season. It is an opinion. It is different to yours, but that doesn't mean you are right.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 24, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
Football is a passionate game. Supporters' passion sometimes boils over into frustration, especially when poor decisions which affect their club seem to have been made. I don't think that this sort of pompous taking of the moral high ground, using emotive language like "utter contempt" and "knee jerk reactions" really adds anything helpful to the discussion. It just shows a lack of understanding about how people feel. You seem to think that everything is rosy in the garden, or at the very least that everything is rosy until results prove otherwise. Some of us beg to differ and think that our club has some deep rooted problems and that we are in for an extremely difficult season. It is an opinion. It is different to yours, but that doesn't mean you are right.

Football IS a passionate game timdon you're quite right but sometimes people need to take a step back & temper their frustrations & try to understand what it takes to run a club, it seems at times the Albion cant do right for doing wrong in some fans eyes & if I'm honest I do feel embarrassed by the reactionary opinions of some, however, as you rightly pointed out we're all entitled to our own, which brings me nicely to your reply to PsalmXXIII, I don't think he ever tries to take the moral high ground, on the contrary, his post's are generally unbiased & fair, the thing is, like me, he feels the need to defend the club against unfair & unbalanced criticism, doesn't make him pompous mate, just a fan with strong opinions.  8)    .

 
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: timdon on June 24, 2014, 06:06:28 PM
Football IS a passionate game timdon you're quite right but sometimes people need to take a step back & temper their frustrations & try to understand what it takes to run a club, it seems at times the Albion cant do right for doing wrong in some fans eyes & if I'm honest I do feel embarrassed by the reactionary opinions of some, however, as you rightly pointed out we're all entitled to our own, which brings me nicely to your reply to PsalmXXIII, I don't think he ever tries to take the moral high ground, on the contrary, his post's are generally unbiased & fair, the thing is, like me, he feels the need to defend the club against unfair & unbalanced criticism, doesn't make him pompous mate, just a fan with strong opinions.  8)    .
Fair enough, and I accept what you say, but if you read the post I quoted, even you have to admit that it does kind of come across that way
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Quakes Fan on June 24, 2014, 07:03:35 PM
Fair enough, and I accept what you say, but if you read the post I quoted, even you have to admit that it does kind of come across that way

I don't think so. Referring to our new Head Coach as "Alan Irvine" and the various names JP has been called (some of which have been deleted) qualify as utter contempt. Whilst being really angry may explain it, it doesn't justify it.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 24, 2014, 07:35:53 PM
Wasn't going to bother replying but comments like embarrassing support, knee jerk, ban them forever and go support wolves/villa yet not one of them has addressed any of the few points I had made in this topic. I guess the likes of signor maresca, pepe mint, psalm and don't ask me to choose luv wasn't there that cold winter night with the other 6 thousand of us or went to the likes of leyton orient, Stockport or Chester when our big game was brentford no I guess they are one of our new fans who complain when we stand up and constant boo and shout abuse all last season at ridgewell, brunt and Morrison yep our new great supporters
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 24, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
Wasn't going to bother replying but comments like embarrassing support, knee jerk, ban them forever and go support wolves/villa yet not one of them has addressed any of the few points I had made in this topic. I guess the likes of signor maresca, pepe mint, psalm and don't ask me to choose luv wasn't there that cold winter night with the other 6 thousand of us or went to the likes of leyton orient, Stockport or Chester when our big game was brentford no I guess they are one of our new fans who complain when we stand up and constant boo and shout abuse all last season at ridgewell, brunt and Morrison yep our new great supporters

I've probably got more programmes than you've been to games kirk but if you want to think you're a super fan thats fine, can I ask though, did you get a refund?

Oh & by the way, when was our big game ever Brentford?  ???
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 24, 2014, 08:08:51 PM
Wasn't going to bother replying but comments like embarrassing support, knee jerk, ban them forever and go support wolves/villa yet not one of them has addressed any of the few points I had made in this topic. I guess the likes of signor maresca, pepe mint, psalm and don't ask me to choose luv wasn't there that cold winter night with the other 6 thousand of us or went to the likes of leyton orient, Stockport or Chester when our big game was brentford no I guess they are one of our new fans who complain when we stand up and constant boo and shout abuse all last season at ridgewell, brunt and Morrison yep our new great supporters

And apparently being born in the early 90s is my fault not being alive for those amazing games at 'Brentford' (the last two league fixtures played against them being when I was 1 and 2 years old and the next most recent being 1949)

I've had a season ticket since I was 5 (thank the clubs policy of kids for a quid til I was 14) and have bought my own season ticket since I was 15. I've travelled from Leeds to every home game and many away for 4 years and from Bristol for 2 years. I too made a threat that I wouldn't renew my season ticket - the cost of petrol and season tickets alone pushed me into £7-800 per season to watch my club and I was getting disillusioned by it all, by I stuck with it.

You want to question mine and others opinions go ahead it's what a forums for. I've travelled to Barnsley and Bristol Rovers, Orient, Argyle, Copenhagen, Malmo, Scunthorpe, Blackpool on a wet Tuesday. I've served my time for this club despite only
being a 'new fan' by having the fortune to miss seeing amazing games against Chester but also the huge misfortune of seeing us in the very good old days. Question my opinions but don't you ever question the love and support I give my club.

Oh and hilariously as you make a lovely point before I posted, I own shares in the club and refused to sell them last time. We weren't 'forced to sell' we were offered the chance to sell them or convert them into shares of a new holding group. Those who had one or two shares in the old share system (I had two) would need to purchase a further 8 to qualify for one 'new share'. So for 700 quid of my own savings, just before going to university I bit the bullet. And now those shares are apparently worth £3000. And a piece of paper saying I'm a shareholder means more to me than £3000+

This isn't a big swinging d*ck competition; I don't care if you go to 2 games or 2 thousand games, have shares or have programmes; I was merely suggesting if you haven't admitted you've changed your mind about a refund I hope you see it through and get one. I made a comment about knee jerk reactions and if you're that quick to give up on the club I hope you stick to it. It's one thing falling out of love for the club but in many cases people burnt their own bridges and for that they should stick to their convictions.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: kirk on June 24, 2014, 08:19:31 PM
And apparently being born in the early 90s is my fault not being alive for those amazing games at 'Brentford' (the last two league fixtures played against them being when I was 1 and 2 years old and the next most recent being 1949)

I've had a season ticket since I was 5 (thank the clubs policy of kids for a quid til I was 14) and have bought my own season ticket since I was 15. I've travelled from Leeds to every home game and many away for 4 years and from Bristol for 2 years. I too made a threat that I wouldn't renew my season ticket - the cost of petrol and season tickets alone pushed me into £7-800 per season to watch my club and I was getting disillusioned by it all, by I stuck with it.

You want to question mine and others opinions go ahead it's what a forums for. I've travelled to Barnsley and Bristol Rovers, Orient, Argyle, Copenhagen, Malmo, Scunthorpe, Blackpool on a wet Tuesday. I've served my time for this club despite only
being a 'new fan' by having the fortune to miss seeing amazing games against Chester but also the huge misfortune of seeing us in the very good old days. Question my opinions but don't you ever question the love and support I give my club.

Oh and hilariously as you make a lovely point before I posted, I own shares in the club and refused to sell them last time.

Touchy but it is ok for others to question their love and support for our club ? It's a shame you never delivered such a passionate response before. (I must say you would have still been a child when the shares were issued if you was born in the nineties but I congratulate you for helping to save the club)
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 24, 2014, 08:23:20 PM
Touchy but it is ok for others to question their love and support for our club ? It's a shame you never delivered such a passionate response before. (I must say you would have still been a child when the shares were issued if you was born in the nineties but I congratulate you for helping to save the club)

Shares have been around a while. My first two were bought for me for a birthday present and I thought it was a pretty rubbish gift at the time. The people I've grown up
sitting by bought into that deal where shares equalled a 10 year season ticket type deal. When the shares were being bought by JP is when I put my own money in.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 24, 2014, 08:46:15 PM
Friendly warning, this place is here for people to debate but don't let things get personal there is simply no need for it.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 24, 2014, 08:58:11 PM
Got a letter today saying any ST holder who submitted a written request for a refund from June 14th-21st June would be welcome to a refund. Basically you have to send a letter to a given address to confirm your refund, otherwise the club assumes you have changed your mind.

Fair play to the club for doing this - a lot of people said that refunds wouldn't be allowed and accused the club of penny pinching. Admittedly I acted in the heat of the moment and will be keeping my ST, but if you truly want a refund then the offer is there.

Well done that man for having the kahuna's to admit he made a mistake, I bet you would of regretted it if you hadn't changed your mind, see you next season  ;)
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: talkSAFT on June 25, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
Kirk, You're having a laugh, right?

This is your signature:

Signature:

It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you got to have is faith and discipline when you're not a winner.



 ;)

Enjoy the Etihad!

(By the way, I've been a supporter since 1958, and would have been to many more than my 750+ games if I hadn't played Saturdays back in the 70s.  That includes 98 away games). 
I'd rather Jeremy had me executed than send my Season Ticket back.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Baggie79 on June 25, 2014, 05:43:20 PM
It looks like onlya very minor amount of fans wanted a refund but those who did have now got their wish.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/06/25/albion-cash-back-if-youre-unhappy-over-irvine/
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 25, 2014, 05:55:49 PM
I don't like the refund idea to be honest.

I wasn't happy with the appointment of Alan Irvine but I wouldn't have considered not renewing - why should I give up something I love? I wasn't happy with his appointment but I'll be there every other Saturday giving him the support he needs, regardless of how I felt about his appointment. We've seen the idle threats about not renewing quite a lot on this forum recently and those people have still ended up renewing!
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 25, 2014, 06:07:23 PM
It looks like onlya very minor amount of fans wanted a refund but those who did have now got their wish.

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2014/06/25/albion-cash-back-if-youre-unhappy-over-irvine/

Good shout from the club, I personally hope that those who asked for a refund have the courage of their convictions & go through with it, could be a learning curve for them for the future, don't panic & trust the club to do the right thing, some just don't realise how well run WBA are.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: leeiswba on June 25, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
Every season we have people on here who aren't renewing because of a decision or because the games are being moved yet they always do lol
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: caravanc58 on June 25, 2014, 06:58:53 PM
Good shout from the club, I personally hope that those who asked for a refund have the courage of their convictions & go through with it, could be a learning curve for them for the future, don't panic & trust the club to do the right thing, some just don't realise how well run WBA are.

only time will tell if weve done the right thing.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 25, 2014, 07:51:21 PM
only time will tell if weve done the right thing.

Sorry bud but how will time tell? if we have a bad season this year it'll be "we told you so", however, if we finish mid table & have a great season but get relegated the following year, those talking about a refund now will say "I should've took the refund when A'f'I got the job because I knew this would happen", either way the club can't win.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: albion59 on June 25, 2014, 08:42:38 PM
this is my first post on this subject as i have stayed well away, i never once thought or said i would want a refund  what else would i do on a saturday afternoon? i have been going for 47 years and was there long before peace, irvine or any of the other  people running our club, and hopefully will be there long after they have gone. but i can understand why people came on here going barmy. who on here can say they have never overeacted and said things they later regret? i think to call people idiots for having an opinion that you dont agree with is out of order. i think it is now time to put this to bed and all stick together get behind the new manager the team and the club and hope for a great new season.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: timdon on June 25, 2014, 09:02:09 PM
It's one thing falling out of love for the club but in many cases people burnt their own bridges and for that they should stick to their convictions.

....in your opinion. Just because some people expressed their anger and frustration at the appointment of AI and threatened not to renew their season ticket in protest, they are not now allowed to adjust their reaction? Nobody burnt their bridges. Nobody has to stick with their original reaction, just because you think they should. People are allowed to say that maybe they over reacted and change their stance. Those that decide not to renew are perfectly entitled to come back again once they feel differently. The very fact that people got so het up shows their passion for the club - whether they were right or not, nobody knows yet, but we are all allowed an opinion and express it as they see fit within reason.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 25, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
this is my first post on this subject as i have stayed well away, i never once thought or said i would want a refund  what else would i do on a saturday afternoon? i have been going for 47 years and was there long before peace, irvine or any of the other  people running our club, and hopefully will be there long after they have gone. but i can understand why people came on here going barmy. who on here can say they have never overeacted and said things they later regret? i think to call people idiots for having an opinion that you dont agree with is out of order. i think it is now time to put this to bed and all stick together get behind the new manager the team and the club and hope for a great new season.

You were there 2 years before I started going  ;)

You make some good points, especially regarding saying/doing things you later regret, we've all done it but many of the "I want my money backers" were posting days after the appointment of AI, not exactly the heat of the moment, worse still many of the anti Irvine brigade then found it convenient to switch there anger to Peace, exclaiming its not AI we're protesting about but Jeremy Peace for the awful way he's running the club, then low & behold we sign Joleon Lescott & suddenly many 'refunders' decide to give the club a second chance.

One other thing 59, I haven't seen anyone being called an idiot for having an opinion on here.   
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: 17GD on June 25, 2014, 10:00:33 PM
All this talk of 'I've been to this many games...' and all that doesn't prove that one loves a club more than someone who hasn't been to as many games. I find it a bit sad to be honest. Some people go to a lot of games for a number of reasons - They may have the money to do so, they may have the opportunity to do so and they may have the time to do so. Not everyone has those luxuries.

People try and invent hierarchies in every walk in life. I find it tedious.

To be honest, it's not just the AI appointment that has annoyed me, I've generally found football to be infuriating of late. I don't feel as passionate about it as I used to, which is why I hardly post anymore. It's my opinion that WBA's best footballers have gone and we won't see the likes of Bob Taylor, Andy Hunt and Paul Mardon for a long time.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: caravanc58 on June 25, 2014, 11:06:12 PM
Sorry bud but how will time tell? if we have a bad season this year it'll be "we told you so", however, if we finish mid table & have a great season but get relegated the following year, those talking about a refund now will say "I should've took the refund when A'f'I got the job because I knew this would happen", either way the club can't win.

with all due respect not all supporters trust the club to do the right thing, and not all supporters think wba are well run.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: dont ask me to choose luv on June 25, 2014, 11:26:05 PM
with all due respect not all supporters trust the club to do the right thing, and not all supporters think wba are well run.

I hear you mate & your first point is definitely open to conjecture but I think its wrong to say we're not a very well run club, no debt, low ST prices, coming 5 years in the prem & the quality of players is improving year on year.

Not aimed at you but some of our fans would find something to whinge about if we won the Champions League (you know, like that one time 'big club' down the road)
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: howard62baby on June 26, 2014, 01:02:44 AM
Wonder if the club would refund my England flag only had it just over a week ,it's not even dirty, would put the refund on us finishing 10th or higher..
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: PsalmXXIII on June 26, 2014, 07:54:35 AM
....in your opinion. Just because some people expressed their anger and frustration at the appointment of AI and threatened not to renew their season ticket in protest, they are not now allowed to adjust their reaction? Nobody burnt their bridges. Nobody has to stick with their original reaction, just because you think they should. People are allowed to say that maybe they over reacted and change their stance. Those that decide not to renew are perfectly entitled to come back again once they feel differently. The very fact that people got so het up shows their passion for the club - whether they were right or not, nobody knows yet, but we are all allowed an opinion and express it as they see fit within reason.

Well put in it's simplest form those who wrote asking for refunds have made the club come out and say 'oh if you're not happy with the manager have your money back' - great way to show your new head coach support; offering people the chance
to not watch the team with him in charge. All that talk about how JP was disgusting for actively 'CHOOSING' to name the head coach 14 days after season ticket deadlines and how the club wouldn't be issuing refunds on that basis. And the talk that JP has deceived so he can get more money and lied to us and he's running the club into the ground and asset stripping. Oh and that protest.

People can threaten to take their money back sure. Go do it. You're entitled to do what you like with your money and have an opinion - I've never once said you're not allowed all that. It's the garbage being spouted alongside it and basing your knee jerk reaction on conjecture and your own opinion of what the clubs doing (and have no evidence it'll happen or is happening) that has really annoyed me. By all means get a refund if you want one, but if you're basing it on the club lying and stealing our hard earned cash by moving deadlines and planning to let us down and how peace is ruining the club and then drop in a misquoted mid table championship club and that's where he wants us to be quote,  then I advise you to stick to your (poorly put together) argument and get a refund.

I was lambasted for trying to tell people to calm down and to base their opinion of the club on facts and events that transpire not knee jerk thoughts and conjecture and I was called out on it and spoken to and about like I was 'delusional'. Fine, I can handle that, and part of me is glad people saw sense, but it doesn't stop me wishing those people had to live by those choices.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: tuamigos on June 26, 2014, 08:55:20 AM
Well put in it's simplest form those who wrote asking for refunds have made the club come out and say 'oh if you're not happy with the manager have your money back' - great way to show your new head coach support; offering people the chance
to not watch the team with him in charge. All that talk about how JP was disgusting for actively 'CHOOSING' to name the head coach 14 days after season ticket deadlines and how the club wouldn't be issuing refunds on that basis. And the talk that JP has deceived so he can get more money and lied to us and he's running the club into the ground and asset stripping. Oh and that protest.

People can threaten to take their money back sure. Go do it. You're entitled to do what you like with your money and have an opinion - I've never once said you're not allowed all that. It's the garbage being spouted alongside it and basing your knee jerk reaction on conjecture and your own opinion of what the clubs doing (and have no evidence it'll happen or is happening) that has really annoyed me. By all means get a refund if you want one, but if you're basing it on the club lying and stealing our hard earned cash by moving deadlines and planning to let us down and how peace is ruining the club and then drop in a misquoted mid table championship club and that's where he wants us to be quote,  then I advise you to stick to your (poorly put together) argument and get a refund.

I was lambasted for trying to tell people to calm down and to base their opinion of the club on facts and events that transpire not knee jerk thoughts and conjecture and I was called out on it and spoken to and about like I was 'delusional'. Fine, I can handle that, and part of me is glad people saw sense, but it doesn't stop me wishing those people had to live by those choices.

Calm down.
Last time I checked we lived in a democracy and people were allowed to make their own decisions and indeed change them if they wanted to.
We're talking about a season ticket here, in the grand arena of life not in most peoples top 10 of life changing decisons.
Title: Re: Can we get a season ticket refund?
Post by: Standaman on June 26, 2014, 09:02:58 AM
The original question appears to have been answered , the club is now in correspondence with those people who wanted one and this thread is in danger of turning into a "I'm a better fan than you" debate it's locked