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Title: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 21, 2013, 03:56:05 PM
just watched the highlights of him against Steve Cunningham, who is basically a blown up cruiserweight. got knocked down before coming back to wear out and stop his man. on this perfomance i think he doesnt have a prayer against the Klitchkos or David Haye.

http://youtu.be/QohEoipT3dc (http://youtu.be/QohEoipT3dc)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: JDWest_Brom on April 23, 2013, 11:33:44 AM
It was an exciting fight, but Fury showed little technique and was very sloppy. He will get taken apart by Haye or either of the Klitschkos. He's got a punchers chance as they say.

I still think David Price is the better prospect, even after his loss to Tony Thompson.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on April 23, 2013, 12:39:28 PM
David Price is far better than Fury. He got caught by a one in a million punch last time sustaining a perforated ear drum, you couldn't do that if you tried. Price is future heavyweight champion of the world, mark my words.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 23, 2013, 12:58:02 PM
I just cant take to Fury.  I find his style annoying and his fights are more often than not boring.  His singing at the end was beyond embarrassing.
 
Would love Price, Haye or even the Klitchkos to knock him out.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on April 23, 2013, 01:02:49 PM
I just cant take to Fury.  I find his style annoying and his fights are more often than not boring.  His singing at the end was beyond embarrassing.
 
Would love Price, Haye or even the Klitchkos to knock him out.


The Klitschko's are massively under-rated, it's about time they received the recognition they deserve. They are in that elite group of greatest heavyweights of all time. Vitali would've beaten Lennox Lewis comfortably had it not been for cuts.

If they were American the hype about them would be out of this world. the fact that they are Ukranian's makes them less glamerous.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 23, 2013, 01:09:40 PM

The Klitschko's are massively under-rated, it's about time they received the recognition they deserve. They are in that elite group of greatest heavyweights of all time. Vitali would've beaten Lennox Lewis comfortably had it not been for cuts.

If they were American the hype about them would be out of this world. the fact that they are Ukranian's makes them less glamerous.

Personally think they would be also-rans if they'd have been around with the likes of Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe back in their prime.
 
They are just lucky to be around at a time when the heavyweight scene is as poor as its ever been.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on April 23, 2013, 01:17:05 PM

Personally think they would be also-rans if they'd have been around with the likes of Tyson, Holyfield and Bowe back in their prime.
 
They are just lucky to be around at a time when the heavyweight scene is as poor as its ever been.


You think so? 5'11" Tyson who at his prime was taken the distance by the likes of Tony Tucker? You seriously think he;d beat 6'7"" Klistchko's?

Even Holyfield went through the weights he wasn't a proper heavyweight as demonstrated when beaten twice by Riddick Bowe.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on April 23, 2013, 08:35:32 PM
Cunningham lacked power at Cruiserweight, let alone Heavy and he still dropped Fury hard. Look, unless Fury tightens up his defence he gets KO'ed against the first heavyweight he comes up against with decent power and handspeed. David Haye, for example, would knock him out early doors.

He's entertaining mind - just check out his post fight interview from Saturday.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 27, 2013, 09:01:25 PM
Gone in 60 Seconds!

no it was 70! hopefully the board will withold part of his purse as they didnt have the balls to do so in his 'fight' with David Haye
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: addy on April 27, 2013, 09:12:21 PM
Down like Wolves :D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on May 21, 2013, 05:49:30 PM
coming out of retirement
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
retired for 3 weeks :D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: jim68 on May 25, 2013, 12:29:38 PM
anyone got any streams for tonight
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2013, 12:44:59 PM
We'll make this the official boxing thread. Merged a few together.

Carl Froch vs Kessler tonight. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 25, 2013, 01:17:12 PM
tried to get tickets for this when it was first announced. i believe they sold out in a couple of hours. home advantage should prove to be key for Froch who seems really up for it. on a slightly different note you can see why the top Americans never want to fight out of America.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on May 25, 2013, 01:35:04 PM
anyone got any streams for tonight


I will be watching it via firstrow.A great stream last time i watched live boxing
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Post by: jim68 on May 25, 2013, 01:54:39 PM

I will be watching it via firstrow.A great stream last time i watched live boxing
thanks for that
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: PortsmouthBaggie on May 25, 2013, 10:50:24 PM
Fury calling out Cain Valesquez again, LOL!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 09, 2013, 09:41:55 AM
looks like the end for Chad Dawson

http://www.fightsaga.com/Social/videos/66-Leroy-Cleveland/video/469-Adonis+Stevenson+KOs+Chad+Dawson+with+One+Punch+in+Round+1
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 09, 2013, 12:15:34 PM
I missed the James DeGale fight last night but from what I read on Twitter things got a bit 'beefy' between him and our very own Richie Woodhall.

Anybody see what happened?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: phbaggies on June 12, 2013, 09:22:34 AM
I saw it, I wouldnt say it got beefy, Ritchie Woodhall was praising him for his performance and Degale said that means a lot as you are usually my biggest critic etc, Degale was then trying to call Froche out to get the fight on and Woodhall basically said Froche wont fight you as you have nothing to bring to the table to make him want to fight you, Degale said I expect you to say that as you are in Froche's camp and that was about it really...It never once got nasty and Woodhall was 100% right, Froche is World champ, Degale has a silver belt and lost to Groves recently, hardly box office material is he?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on June 12, 2013, 10:20:02 AM
Degale is an arrogant tw*t and not as good as he thinks he is.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 12, 2013, 02:36:51 PM
Just seen the Richie Woodhall and James DeGale. There's nothing too it. Twittter over-hyping it as usual.

People kept on about him "dis-respecting" Woodhall.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: JDWest_Brom on June 13, 2013, 08:53:09 AM
If anything Woodhall was sticking it to DeGale. I half expected Woodhall to say he was coming out of retirement to fight him.

Having just looked up Richie's record, I didn't realise he had been retired 13 years. Saying that Steve Collins has just come out of retirement and he's 48, Woodhall is a sprightly 45.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 09, 2013, 09:40:58 PM
Tyson Fury is making himself look like an utter dickhead on Twitter with his lack of respect towards a legend like Lennox Lewis.

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury

Hope David Haye beats him in February.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 09, 2013, 10:36:56 PM
Eurosport.com EN ?@EurosportCom_EN 2m

BREAKING: 48-year-old Lennox Lewis says he is in talks to make a stunning comeback and fight a Klitschko for $100m.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 10, 2013, 01:05:31 AM
Nothing on BBC site yet - hope its not the case, he's been inactive for a long time now.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on October 10, 2013, 09:44:48 AM
Nothing on BBC site yet - hope its not the case, he's been inactive for a long time now.


I hope not too. He wouldn't have beaten Viitali years ago had it not been for cuts he'd get well and truly battered now.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on November 01, 2013, 09:17:10 AM
Has anyone been following the build up to this fight? There's some proper needle.

I think Groves is really getting to Froch and I think Groves can beat him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 01, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
I really like Groves and think he is a classy bloke, however I think this fight has come too soon for him personally and he has also had the added disruption of having to work under a new trainer with Adam Booth seemingly wiping his hands of him.  Froch and Groves used to be on good terms so I've heard but things have obviously changed of late.  On Ringside last night Froch did seem the more aggravated of the two..

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9001373/froch-v-groves-war-of-words
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on November 01, 2013, 01:30:05 PM
I really like Groves and think he is a classy bloke, however I think this fight has come too soon for him personally and he has also had the added disruption of having to work under a new trainer with Adam Booth seemingly wiping his hands of him.  Froch and Groves used to be on good terms so I've heard but things have obviously changed of late.  On Ringside last night Froch did seem the more aggravated of the two..

http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9001373/froch-v-groves-war-of-words
I know its just 10 mins on a tv show, but Froch looks like a man that's rattled, Groves as clearly done his homework and can sit their quite confidently telling the champion where he went wrong in certain fights .
This could be quite a match?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 01, 2013, 02:09:21 PM
I think it will, I still think Froch will win, but not going to write off Groves.  Did you see the end of the show when Froch looked terrible and Groves said: 'calm down Carl you look like your about to cry.. don't cry, don't cry Carl."  Froch looked like he was on the verge of losing it and kind of like he was about to cry!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on November 01, 2013, 02:26:18 PM
Froch will slice and dice him. Too much power.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 01, 2013, 03:37:51 PM
Im going to have a punt on Groves at 8/1 to win on points!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 01, 2013, 10:06:33 PM
Has to be an element of them drumming up interest for a pay to view fight - so Groves has to come across as a genuine threat in the pre fight build up.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 23, 2013, 08:57:31 PM
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2013, 09:04:04 PM
What time will the fight start, Gerry?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: royhan on November 23, 2013, 09:44:20 PM
Anyone got a live stream link?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbarenno on November 23, 2013, 10:15:26 PM
Anyone got a live stream link?

Go on wiziwig mate theres loads of links on there
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2013, 10:20:49 PM
http://neolive.eu/172612/1/Watch-Carl-Froch-vs-George-Groves--Undercard-And-Build-up-/

http://www.coolsport.tv/stream1.html
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: royhan on November 23, 2013, 11:26:02 PM
Froch wins by a controversial ninth round stoppage. He was well behind on points at the time and was down in the first.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on November 23, 2013, 11:29:15 PM
Thought Groves was in the lead at the time of the stoppage with Froch coming back into it. Referee jumped in to quick, couldn't wait to get in, stinks of a fix to me to guarantee a rematch
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2013, 11:44:59 PM
That's a disgrace of a decision.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 23, 2013, 11:45:48 PM
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on November 24, 2013, 12:18:06 AM
I had Froch to win by KO but that stoppage leaves a sour taste. That is one of the worst I have seen in a world title fight. Groves was hurt, yes, but throwing back and still defending himself. The referee has completely ruined a great fight. Hold the rematch in the US where the refs actually give boxers a chance; our refs are pathetic.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on November 24, 2013, 02:06:16 AM
Just a joke simple as that.

Had the bell not gone at the end of round one Froch would've been knocked out. He recovered, Groves wasn't even down.

One point in it according to two of the judges what fight were they watching? They're completely clueless.

Froch was given that fight tonight.

Afterthought for Groves though, had you kept to boxing (as Mayweather always does) and cut out the machismo you'd have won easily. Wise up, you created for yourself a risk that never should've been created.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: jim68 on November 24, 2013, 08:31:08 AM
I had Froch to win by KO but that stoppage leaves a sour taste. That is one of the worst I have seen in a world title fight. Groves was hurt, yes, but throwing back and still defending himself. The referee has completely ruined a great fight. Hold the rematch in the US where the refs actually give boxers a chance; our refs are pathetic.
same as some in the premier league then :-[
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: j2burnz on November 24, 2013, 11:23:58 AM
Understand now why groves was a prat in the build up, his tactics worked as the fight was fixed, surely everyone can see that. That Hearn is a shady character in my opinion. Although I was totally behind froch due to groves' antics I will be behind groves in the inevitable rematch as he is clearly a far better boxer and is possibly a future great, he really looked that good. He is mentally very strong. Felt for the kid in the finish though you can't rule out Froch may have finished him.

Just hope he's a bit more decent towards froch in the next per fight build up. Oh.. And takes that silly cap off
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Brummie Road on November 24, 2013, 01:59:33 PM
My own view, is that Froch should call time on his boxing career.

He's been a fantastic fighter and has fought some top class opponents but time waits for no man, and there's only so much punishment a body can take and at 36, improvement in any aspect of the sport is a big ask.

I would also guess that he was surprised last night at just how hard Groves pushed him.

He's notched up another victory, albeit one that's clearly controversial, and I think he'd be wise to take on board the opportunity to bow out of the ring and maybe take up any media, training or promoting opportunities, and spend more time with that gorgeous girlfriend of his and their young kids.

As I say Froch is a great fighter, right up there with the best British boxers, but maybe time to think hard about his future.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 24, 2013, 10:07:28 PM
Fair comment - he's had several wars since he became champion which could well have caught up with him. He's never been one to block or slip too many punches so he's got plenty of miles on the clock.
Unfortunately it often takes a couple of fights too many for the fighter to realise.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: royhan on November 24, 2013, 10:25:46 PM
I think Froch should now seek a re-match with Andre Ward and try to avenge his defeat against the American. He can't then be accused of ducking a class opponent. If Froch wins then he should meet Groves again.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tuamigos on November 25, 2013, 09:00:43 AM
The ref might have stopped the fight a punch too early but that better than stopping it a punch too late.
Froch was there on top and ready to take his head off.
Just about the right call IMO
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 25, 2013, 10:06:51 AM
The ref might have stopped the fight a punch too early but that better than stopping it a punch too late.
Froch was there on top and ready to take his head off.
Just about the right call IMO

what about the rest of the fight when groves was "taking froch's head off?"

terrible decison, jumped in too early, as groves actually landed 3 shots on froch in that exchange, and the ropes were not holding groves up.

standing 8 count should have been issued, referee ruined it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2013, 06:15:12 PM
Froch v Groves On Sky Sports 2 at 8 tonight if you haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on November 29, 2013, 06:53:59 PM
I really find it difficult to understand why Groves didn't get a standing 8??
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 29, 2013, 11:31:15 PM
I really find it difficult to understand why Groves didn't get a standing 8??
Standing 8 count is usually not in operation in Championship fights. Of the WBA or IBF who's belts they were fighting for, neither have the standing 8 count.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on November 30, 2013, 09:40:15 AM
Standing 8 count is usually not in operation in Championship fights. Of the WBA or IBF who's belts they were fighting for, neither have the standing 8 count.

Thanks Adder, didn't realise that - still, appears a strange rule?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 30, 2013, 12:21:50 PM
Yes it's the defend yourself at all times instruction the ref gives at the start - I suppose if he judges that a fighter isn't in a position to defend himself then it's fight over.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: collins101 on November 30, 2013, 12:35:38 PM
I just don't see how groves was in a worse that what Froch was in the 1st round. I don't by all this Froch always comes back rubbish, the ref should call it as he sees it not off his reputation. If he stopped the fight for that then it should have been stopped in the first round !
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on November 30, 2013, 12:36:43 PM
Yes it's the defend yourself at all times instruction the ref gives at the start - I suppose if he judges that a fighter isn't in a position to defend himself then it's fight over.


Groves was throwing back how is that not defending yourself? There was no 8 count needed, there was no referee intervention needed. I'd go as far as to say it was the worst decision I've ever seen in world championship boxing history. Absolutely abysmal refereeing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on November 30, 2013, 01:11:35 PM
Groves was brilliant on the night and deserves the praise he is getting and the fight was certainly stopped too soon but for me Groves was tiring and getting caught more often sapping his strength more.
 
For me Froch was no more than a round away from knocking Groves out so in a way the ref did Groves a favour to stop it when Groves was on his feet.  He walking into the ring being booed and walked out to cheers.  Its done his career the world of good.
 
Having said all that if there is a rematch I'd fancy Groves to learn from the mistakes he made by trading with Froch and pace himself better and get a comfortable points win.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Gaffer on December 01, 2013, 05:47:56 AM
Anyone watch Stephenson v Bellew? Stephenson too good. Only man at the weight that will beat him is Kovalev, the man is a beast!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 01, 2013, 04:53:25 PM
Anyone watch Stephenson v Bellew? Stephenson too good. Only man at the weight that will beat him is Kovalev, the man is a beast!

Would love to see this fight come off. A real fans fight!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2015, 08:02:19 AM
Anyone paying for the fight Saturday?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 28, 2015, 09:03:36 AM
I am.  Love the boxing and this is the biggest fight around at the moment.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2015, 09:24:42 AM
what time our time is the actual box off
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 28, 2015, 09:29:22 AM
I watch all boxing. I subscribe to Boxnation and watch the lot.

I will NOT pay for this fight though. I already pay to subscribe to Sky Sports so why should I have to pay again? Not going to happen. I'm not going to be taken for a complete and utter fool.

The fight is being overhyped as well. These two are not P4P 1 and 2 anymore not with Golovkin, Kovalev and Ward around, both fighters are past their best.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2015, 09:37:42 AM
i am sure you will pick it up via a stream anyway. i found a good one last year Froch v Groves
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 28, 2015, 09:38:49 AM
what time our time is the actual box off


Bound to be between 4 and 5 am. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 28, 2015, 09:40:01 AM
I just hope it isn't a let down, can't help but feel it is a few years too late.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 28, 2015, 09:42:32 AM
I think I saw somewhere on the tv (Sky?) that the programme started at about midnight, so that probably means the big fight would start at about 5am lol!! :o (dont quote me on this!)
I too will probably watch via a stream. I've watched a few of the last big fights this way!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2015, 09:43:55 AM
Vegas is 8 hours behind us so probably around Dawn then
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on April 28, 2015, 09:55:32 AM
What sites do you guys use for the streams?

Ill more than likely watch it this way.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 28, 2015, 10:25:32 AM
I watch all boxing. I subscribe to Boxnation and watch the lot.

I will NOT pay for this fight though. I already pay to subscribe to Sky Sports so why should I have to pay again? Not going to happen. I'm not going to be taken for a complete and utter fool.

The fight is being overhyped as well. These two are not P4P 1 and 2 anymore not with Golovkin, Kovalev and Ward around, both fighters are past their best.

Those 3 you mention are quality.  I am a huge fan of Golovkin in particular.  To me they are all the level below though.  The next generation although Golovkin is in his 30s.

The difference between those and May and Pac are that they haven't been in with the best and beat them.  Golovkin needs to step up to Super Middle or he could drop down to get the bigger fights.  Kovalev needs to fight Stevenson to be crowned the best.  Ward needs to fight fighters much better than Paul Smith.

IMO you need to fight and beat Legends in order to be one yourself.  Both May and Pac have done that and become multi weight champions.  They are rightfully still P4P 1 & 2 IMO.  It is frustrating, however, that these two didn't fight 5 years ago when they were both in their prime.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: elmo_in_swansea on April 28, 2015, 10:36:27 AM
What sites do you guys use for the streams?

Ill more than likely watch it this way.
I use http://www.vipleague.me/ I watch the footy via this as well!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on April 28, 2015, 10:55:14 AM
I watch all boxing. I subscribe to Boxnation and watch the lot.

I will NOT pay for this fight though. I already pay to subscribe to Sky Sports so why should I have to pay again? Not going to happen. I'm not going to be taken for a complete and utter fool.

The fight is being overhyped as well. These two are not P4P 1 and 2 anymore not with Golovkin, Kovalev and Ward around, both fighters are past their best.

Ward hasn't fought for 2 years so he is no where near top of p4p list at this moment. Fighting Paul Smith is pointless I know he needs a warm up fight but still.

Golovkin unsure of still never really fought a big name but they all seem to avoid him so night well say something.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 28, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Ward hasn't fought for 2 years so he is no where near top of p4p list at this moment. Fighting Paul Smith is pointless I know he needs a warm up fight but still.

Golovkin unsure of still never really fought a big name but they all seem to avoid him so night well say something.


That's because there aren't any in his weight division. Cotto would be a possiblity but he's a blown up middleweight and Golovkin would beat him easily.

Golovkin is not big for his weight so I don't see him moving up and I can't see the likes of Ward or Froch moving down to face him.

For me Kovalev is best of the lot at the moment.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on April 28, 2015, 12:15:06 PM
You won't get a working stream for this once the bell rings.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on April 28, 2015, 12:42:46 PM
Mayweather is still the number one in the division without a shadow of a doubt for me.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on April 30, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
Surely going to points?

Put money on Pac throwing over 650 punches and a split decision so fingers crossed
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 30, 2015, 09:56:33 AM
Mayweather is still the number one in the division without a shadow of a doubt for me.


I think both Keith Thurman and Amir Khan can beat the 2015 version of Mayweather.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on April 30, 2015, 09:57:23 AM
what ever happens, it will be a controversial decision and therefore justify a re-match.
Too much money for it to be otherwise

Personally, I go Pacqiou on a split decision.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 30, 2015, 10:08:32 AM

I think both Keith Thurman and Amir Khan can beat the 2015 version of Mayweather.


Not a chance.  Khan can trouble him with his speed but caught square on the chin just once and its game over for Khan.  I can see why he wants Mayweather though because Mayweather isn't a hard hitter and tends to win most of his fights on points.  Khan needs to be selective with his fights.  He wont fight Thurman or Kell Brook who would both clean him out inside 6 rounds.


Mayweather would beat all those mentioned above because he is too tricky.  I expect him to edge Pacquiao on points, maybe even a split decision.  Although I would like Pacquiao to win.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 30, 2015, 10:23:08 AM

Not a chance.  Khan can trouble him with his speed but caught square on the chin just once and its game over for Khan.  I can see why he wants Mayweather though because Mayweather isn't a hard hitter and tends to win most of his fights on points.  Khan needs to be selective with his fights.  He wont fight Thurman or Kell Brook who would both clean him out inside 6 rounds.


Mayweather would beat all those mentioned above because he is too tricky.  I expect him to edge Pacquiao on points, maybe even a split decision.  Although I would like Pacquiao to win.


We'll have to agree to disagree then mate. Mayweather isn't the fighter he was a few years back, he's cherry picked his opposition for a while now. Khan is better than ever and Thurman is a class act who can become one of the pound for pound kings in  a year or two.

The Pacquiao fight should've happened four years ago when both were at their peaks. Both have declined but I think Pacquiao has declined more than Mayweather has and as Mayweather is the bigger man i don't see him having too much trouble on Saturday.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 30, 2015, 10:30:34 AM
How much is the fight to purchase?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on April 30, 2015, 10:37:53 AM
How much is the fight to purchase?
£20 on sky, but I think the actual fight (not the hype) starts at some ridiculous time
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on April 30, 2015, 10:54:50 AM
If you're going to buy it do it before Saturday as they stick another £5 on if you buy on the day
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 30, 2015, 11:08:13 AM
£20 on sky, but I think the actual fight (not the hype) starts at some ridiculous time


It'll start at somewhere between 3 and 4 AM I should think.

Boxnation have these shows on almost every week.
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Post by: tommcneill on April 30, 2015, 11:09:28 AM
I cannot wait for this fight on Saturday.

Its going to be a great one. Tough to call a winner but id like Pacquiao to win

Whatever happens nothing can deflect the fact that Mayweather is a legend of the ring. Khan isnt even in the same league as these guys and never will be......his jaw isnt strong enough to be a top top fighter

Might be going to the 02 on 30th May for the Kell Brook fight....
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on April 30, 2015, 04:35:33 PM

I think both Keith Thurman and Amir Khan can beat the 2015 version of Mayweather.

Wheres that " this is why aliens dont come to visit us " meme, I joke i do think khan looked at hes best in hes last fight but money man is just on a different level im afraid.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 30, 2015, 04:57:36 PM
Kahn is up there with the best of them at 147, however he has yet to be tested against anyone with any power at that level which might eventually be his undoing, Thurman will take Floyds welterweight crown once he has hung up his gloves.

As for Saturday I’d love to see Manny win but I just can’t see past a Mayweather points victory.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 30, 2015, 05:03:52 PM
I watch all boxing. I subscribe to Boxnation and watch the lot.

Me too, absolutely love my BoxNation subscription, such as shame they didn't get this fight although I heard they pushed Sky pretty close, would have done wonders for the channel.  A pity as well considering they are the ones that have been showing all of Pacquiao's and Mayweather's fights for the last few years, while Sky have largely wiped their hands of international fights.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on April 30, 2015, 07:24:01 PM
I know people are fed up already with polls, but would it be possible for one of the admin to set up a poll on this thread to see who people think might win this one please?

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 01, 2015, 11:41:04 AM
I know people are fed up already with polls, but would it be possible for one of the admin to set up a poll on this thread to see who people think might win this one please?

done, but a bit cumbersome. :-(
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on May 01, 2015, 12:26:27 PM

We'll have to agree to disagree then mate. Mayweather isn't the fighter he was a few years back, he's cherry picked his opposition for a while now. Khan is better than ever and Thurman is a class act who can become one of the pound for pound kings in  a year or two.

The Pacquiao fight should've happened four years ago when both were at their peaks. Both have declined but I think Pacquiao has declined more than Mayweather has and as Mayweather is the bigger man i don't see him having too much trouble on Saturday.

Keith Thurman will never be a p4p king personally.

High hopes for Kell Brook still always been a fan, just needs some decent fights rather than terrible opposition.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 01, 2015, 01:31:28 PM
done, but a bit cumbersome. :-(

Cheers  :o
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on May 01, 2015, 01:42:25 PM
Keith Thurman will never be a p4p king personally.

High hopes for Kell Brook still always been a fan, just needs some decent fights rather than terrible opposition.

Got back into the swing of things a few weeks back with a comfortable win after his stabbing.

Anthony Joshua looks a good boxer, got high hopes for that kid.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 01, 2015, 02:31:19 PM
Got back into the swing of things a few weeks back with a comfortable win after his stabbing.

Anthony Joshua looks a good boxer, got high hopes for that kid.

Joshua is a great brilliant prospect,
Smart,
quick,
physique of a...., i don't know, just physique
can punch
if he can take a punch, he could go all the way IMO.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 01, 2015, 02:49:26 PM
Joshua needs to be stepped up soon, its difficult to say how good he will be while he is still fighting bums.  After the Johnson fight he needs to have a proper opponent.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 01, 2015, 02:53:40 PM
Joshua needs to be stepped up soon, its difficult to say how good he will be while he is still fighting bums.  After the Johnson fight he needs to have a proper opponent.
I wouldn't argue with that, he seems to have all the attributes, but I agree, he needs to be allowed to test himself.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 01, 2015, 03:10:12 PM
Joshua is a great brilliant prospect,
Smart,
quick,
physique of a...., i don't know, just physique
can punch
if he can take a punch, he could go all the way IMO.

I have high hopes for the lad aswell.

Really want to see him make that step up and go from there

Watched a programme on him a few months back and was impressed with how he came across as a person too, started off messing about like most do in his youth but he has decided to take a different path to the life he could and would have gone down had he not got into boxing

Top prospect
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 01, 2015, 06:15:40 PM
Mean physique whether he makes the grade is another thing, the klitchsko vote of confidence made me sit up and take note.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 01, 2015, 08:06:57 PM
Believe Pac will win the fight tomorrow but wont get the decision. The Americans will make sure their Top boy doesnt lose.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 01, 2015, 08:38:32 PM
Believe Pac will win the fight tomorrow but wont get the decision. The Americans will make sure their Top boy doesnt lose.
True but it doesn't just happen in the states.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 02, 2015, 08:40:26 AM
Regarding Joshua, not being funny but so far he's been fighting cardboard cutouts. Needs stepping up now before he gets in to bad habits. Sky over-hyping him all the time but that's Sky / Matchroom for you.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 25, 2015, 03:49:25 PM
Klitscho v Fury Fight off

The fight has been postponed due to an injury to Vlad. I would post a link but my s***ty broadband isnt loading properly. Gutted as have paid for the ticket, flight and hotel.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on September 25, 2015, 03:54:15 PM
Klitscho v Fury Fight off

The fight has been postponed due to an injury to Vlad. I would post a link but my shitty broadband isnt loading properly. Gutted as have paid for the ticket, flight and hotel.


ouch, sorry to hear that mate, will you still travel out? Dusseldorf is a good place to visit !
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 25, 2015, 04:15:42 PM
Yeah probably mate. Had booked the Friday and Monday off as holiday, so might as well make the most of it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on September 25, 2015, 06:37:19 PM
Disappointing
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on September 25, 2015, 07:01:22 PM
It's hardly going to be a classic. Nailed on certainty it'll be a wlad points win and bore fest.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on October 16, 2015, 08:06:01 PM
Klitscho v Fury Fight off

The fight has been postponed due to an injury to Vlad. I would post a link but my s***ty broadband isnt loading properly. Gutted as have paid for the ticket, flight and hotel.

Kell Brook has pulled out of the bill :o. Was due to fight Diego Chaves. Wonder how many fights are left on the card.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 28, 2015, 06:50:40 PM
Anyone watching the fight tonight?. I think Klitscho will win by late stoppage.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 28, 2015, 07:57:33 PM
Anyone watching the fight tonight?. I think Klitscho will win by late stoppage.

Yes im a massive boxing fan.

I reckon klitschko early doors
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on November 28, 2015, 08:31:01 PM
Klitschko comfortable points win IMO.  Going to be a borefest but I'll watch it.

Looking forward to seeing how Degale does against Bute.  Be a tough fight but I think Degale on points.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: sammyg on November 28, 2015, 08:44:01 PM
klitch on points
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on November 28, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
Come on lads, BELIEVE in the furious one.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Legend on November 28, 2015, 09:47:26 PM
I fancy Fury to win by knock out.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on November 28, 2015, 09:59:37 PM
I fancy Fury to win by knock out.

He might knock himself out!!  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Foster#1 on November 28, 2015, 10:39:27 PM
I have Fury winning on points atm
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Foster#1 on November 28, 2015, 10:48:11 PM
Deffo have Fury now on points
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on November 28, 2015, 11:19:05 PM
Fair play to Fury.  I think he is a terrible boxer though.  He is clumsy but effective. That was an awful fight to watch.  Klitsch was shocking.  His time has passed. 

Chuffed that Britain has a unified world heavyweight world champion though. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Legend on November 28, 2015, 11:25:45 PM
Get in Fury!  :)

Singing Aerosmith after the fight.  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: royhan on November 28, 2015, 11:27:03 PM
Got to agree with kris-boing. It was an awful fight to watch, but it's great we've got a World Heavyweight Champion. Give him another year and Anthony Joshua will eat Fury for breakfast.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on November 29, 2015, 02:31:00 AM
Fair play to Fury.  I think he is a terrible boxer though.  He is clumsy but effective. That was an awful fight to watch.  Klitsch was shocking.  His time has passed. 

Chuffed that Britain has a unified world heavyweight world champion though.


He is a fantastic boxer technically. He has always looked awkward and ungainly but his boxing last three or four fights has been outstanding. Did you see him against Christian Hammer and Dereck Chisora? He can switch hit, southpaw or orthodox, he can move, he's athletic, he can jab. Very, very under-rated.

Joshua is a great prospect but that's all he is upto now he hasn't fought anyone that can hit back yet. The hype train goes on like it did with David Price.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on November 29, 2015, 04:06:02 AM

He is a fantastic boxer technically. He has always looked awkward and ungainly but his boxing last three or four fights has been outstanding. Did you see him against Christian Hammer and Dereck Chisora? He can switch hit, southpaw or orthodox, he can move, he's athletic, he can jab. Very, very under-rated.

Joshua is a great prospect but that's all he is upto now he hasn't fought anyone that can hit back yet. The hype train goes on like it did with David Price.

I don't understand how you can say he is technically excellent.  How many clean crisp shots does he land?  His head did the best work tonight, accidently of course.  This is the guy who actually punched himself in the ring.

Hes clumsy, awkward, unorthodox and he does switch but looks as bad at both.

But he is an opponent that makes others look poor which he did to Klitschko tonight.  He got his game plan spot on and deserved the win and the belts.  I just think he's horrible to watch.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on November 29, 2015, 10:52:37 AM
All time low for heavyweight boxing.

People wouldn't be so complimentary about Fury if him and his family turned up on a field near you in their caravans  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 29, 2015, 09:37:07 PM
Can't wait for AJ to knock him out within about 90 seconds.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: darbolina on November 30, 2015, 12:21:17 PM
love him  or hate him, Fury has got a lot of people watching heavy weight again. The field is wide open now..........Joshua is the future though, I can't see Fury lasting long............
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mikkyk on November 30, 2015, 01:38:11 PM

He is a fantastic boxer technically. He has always looked awkward and ungainly but his boxing last three or four fights has been outstanding. Did you see him against Christian Hammer and Dereck Chisora? He can switch hit, southpaw or orthodox, he can move, he's athletic, he can jab. Very, very under-rated.

Joshua is a great prospect but that's all he is upto now he hasn't fought anyone that can hit back yet. The hype train goes on like it did with David Price.

Personally I don't remember there being as much hype around David Price as there was with Joshua, especially not from the early stages of his career.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on November 30, 2015, 01:44:44 PM
Personally I don't remember there being as much hype around David Price as there was with Joshua, especially not from the early stages of his career.


There was a fair bit but Sky didn't have full rights to Price's fights like they have with Joshua's.

Joshua is learning nothing knocking over skittles. When he competes in the top league he'll find it much tougher. He has no great lower or upper body movement, he hasn't learned the art of not getting hit or controlling distance. What's he going to do when someone he hits doesn't fall over? He's nowhere near as skilled as Fury.

Fury was covered by Boxnation up until the Wlad fight and he was hardly mentioned on Sky, now suddenly Sky are all over him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on November 30, 2015, 01:45:25 PM
Can't wait for AJ to knock him out within about 90 seconds.


You'll have a long wait.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: seteefeet on November 30, 2015, 02:05:37 PM
I don't understand how you can say he is technically excellent.  How many clean crisp shots does he land?  His head did the best work tonight, accidently of course.  This is the guy who actually punched himself in the ring.

Hes clumsy, awkward, unorthodox and he does switch but looks as bad at both.

But he is an opponent that makes others look poor which he did to Klitschko tonight.  He got his game plan spot on and deserved the win and the belts.  I just think he's horrible to watch.
So he's technically poor, awful to watch and gets results from frustrating his opponents rather than showing real attacking intent.
Now we know where Pulis disappeared to last week, he was doing a bit of moonlighting  ;)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on December 04, 2015, 08:18:37 AM
Got my Frampton Vs Quigg tickets  ;D

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 07, 2015, 07:30:32 PM
Joshua is a great prospect but that's all he is upto now he hasn't fought anyone that can hit back yet. The hype train goes on like it did with David Price.

The difference is phenomenal though. Joshua is the fastest heavyweight at that level about (bar maybe one), his speed and accuracy are frightening. Price was hyped up but to the level where they hoped he win a world title, with Joshua we're waiting for it.

You can say what Yu like about Fury, I'm not a fan personally, but you have to respect what he achieved and irrespective of how it was done, he walked away Champion. Haven't seen many members complain about when the Ukrainians were robotically winning fight after fight.

The good thing is we won't have to wait for AJ to get to Fury, Deontay Wilder will turn him over. Then when Joshua fights him, that'll be a World Heavyweight clash that'll be like a throwback.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 07, 2015, 07:37:07 PM
Got my Frampton Vs Quigg tickets  ;D

I was too slow!. Looks like they have sold out :(
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on December 07, 2015, 07:51:59 PM
I was too slow!. Looks like they have sold out :(

I was too slow too, they sold out in 8 minutes!!

We had to go to scott quiggs nans chippy in Bury just to get some
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 09, 2015, 03:59:43 PM
I was too slow too, they sold out in 8 minutes!!

We had to go to scott quiggs nans chippy in Bury just to get some

Lucky Bugger :D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Foster#1 on December 12, 2015, 12:47:57 PM
Who's everyone backing tonight ?

Love it AJ lost and DW knocked him out in under 4 rounds.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 12, 2015, 08:17:09 PM
Who's everyone backing tonight ?

Love it AJ lost and DW knocked him out in under 4 rounds.

Why Whyte comes across as an utter cnut?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on December 13, 2015, 09:32:38 AM
There you go guys, Joshua won but his inefficiencies showed last night. Too muscly, too immobile, no upper body or head movement, not great defence. His body shape means he will never really be able to improve his mobility that much so he's going to always have limitations to some extent.

If David Haye is still what he was he beats Joshua, too quick, moves well, explosive, good hand speed.

As for Fury he'd box Joshua's head off. He moves too well, boxes too well and has a natural size advantage. Joshua doesn't have the defensive ability of Wladimir Klitschko and he doesn't control behind the jab like Wlad does. If Wlad couldn't get to Fury, Joshua has no chance and he'd be far too easy to Fury to hit.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on December 13, 2015, 09:39:16 AM
There you go guys, Joshua won but his inefficiencies showed last night. Too muscly, too immobile, no upper body or head movement, not great defence. His body shape means he will never really be able to improve his mobility that much so he's going to always have limitations to some extent.

If David Haye is still what he was he beats Joshua, too quick, moves well, explosive, good hand speed.

As for Fury he'd box Joshua's head off. He moves too well, boxes too well and has a natural size advantage. Joshua doesn't have the defensive ability of Wladimir Klitschko and he doesn't control behind the jab like Wlad does. If Wlad couldn't get to Fury, Joshua has no chance and he'd be far too easy to Fury to hit.

He can change hes physique he needs to cut the weights out and muscle building exercises and work on what hes good at and that's boxing no need for him to be looking to pack on more muscle whatsoever.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on December 13, 2015, 09:49:31 AM
He can change hes physique he needs to cut the weights out and muscle building exercises and work on what hes good at and that's boxing no need for him to be looking to pack on more muscle whatsoever.


He is naturally muscular but there is rumour inside boxing that he's on steroids. People who know more about these things than me point to his belly shape and tell me that is symptomatic of someone on 'roids. If that IS the case (and I wouldn't know either way) Joshua is taking a huge risk.

You can improve mobility to an extent yes, but you look at someone like Fury who has improved ridiculously in the last couple of years - that mobility is natural. Even before his improvement he wasn't stiff and without any form of upper body movement, Joshua is.

Fury after a few knockdowns did what Wladimir did years ago. He went away, had good time out and changed things. He's clearly found a style that works for him and has developed fantastic skills. Wladimir years ago banned his brother from his training camp, changed his trainer, went away and developed a way of fighting that kept him unbeaten for a decade. Joshua won't be able to do that, he doesn't have the natural skillset to do it and his body shape means he will never be a natural mover. He's a fast twitcher which is why he's a good sprinter, it means he's naturally explosive. He'll always be more exciting to watch than Fury but he won't be as good technicaly. There were probably more punches thrown in two or three rounds last night than in the whole Fury - Klitschko fight but the technical quality was nowhere near the same.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on December 13, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
He needs to cut the body building out and work on cardiovascular. He look spent last night by the 4th round.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on December 13, 2015, 10:41:13 AM

He is naturally muscular but there is rumour inside boxing that he's on steroids. People who know more about these things than me point to his belly shape and tell me that is symptomatic of someone on 'roids. If that IS the case (and I wouldn't know either way) Joshua is taking a huge risk.

You can improve mobility to an extent yes, but you look at someone like Fury who has improved ridiculously in the last couple of years - that mobility is natural. Even before his improvement he wasn't stiff and without any form of upper body movement, Joshua is.

Fury after a few knockdowns did what Wladimir did years ago. He went away, had good time out and changed things. He's clearly found a style that works for him and has developed fantastic skills. Wladimir years ago banned his brother from his training camp, changed his trainer, went away and developed a way of fighting that kept him unbeaten for a decade. Joshua won't be able to do that, he doesn't have the natural skillset to do it and his body shape means he will never be a natural mover. He's a fast twitcher which is why he's a good sprinter, it means he's naturally explosive. He'll always be more exciting to watch than Fury but he won't be as good technicaly. There were probably more punches thrown in two or three rounds last night than in the whole Fury - Klitschko fight but the technical quality was nowhere near the same.

Without talking about a blokes body to much  :-X I think it's he's arms and shoulders that are causing the mechanical punches and movements naturally, he threw a right in the early rounds and it was very predictable.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 13, 2015, 02:16:51 PM

You can improve mobility to an extent yes, but you look at someone like Fury who has improved ridiculously in the last couple of years - that mobility is natural. Even before his improvement he wasn't stiff and without any form of upper body movement, Joshua is.


Funny you say that because at the end of the fight, Joshua's dad came up to the sky interviewer and said " this is the result of hard work not steroids". I thought it strange to say such a specific thing but there you go, wasn't aware of the allegations.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 13, 2015, 02:33:27 PM
Despite these so called deficiencies he finished him in stunning style despite being supposedly spent 3 rounds prior. Can only see good things for the lad.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on December 16, 2015, 09:56:50 AM
Saturday exposed the Joshua hype for what it is... hype.  Don’t get me wrong Joshua is a fantastic prospect but all this talk of him being able to beat anyone in the division right now is absolute garbage, Joshua isn’t ready for Fury, Klitchsklo, Povetkin or even Wilder at the moment.   His defence needs alot of work, his head movement needs to improve and footwork isn’t perfect either.  On the plus side although his chin isn’t made of kryptonite he did show superb powers of recovery after the second round.

This was Joshua’s 15th fight and probably the only one he has learnt anything from, I hope Hearn puts him in with some more game fighters like Whyte and not knock down jobs but with the hype train that surrounds Joshua Hearn knows he can stick him in with pretty much anyone and the casuals will still lap it up.  I suspect a shot Derek Chisora in April will be next and the Sky hype machine will ensure that it is presented as if it is a meaningful fight for AJ.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on December 16, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
his head movement needs to improve

Agreed.

The only time his head moved the other night was when he got hit  :).
Does indeed need to improve his footwork too, not to mention working on his balance which would go hand in hand.

Very top heavy with comparitively small calf muscles for such a well set fella, tremendous physique but needs to become more proportionate. All very doable though. Fury has small calf muscles too, but he carries less compact muscle up top.

Daft as it sounds for a big fighting man, the odd dance/ballet lesson would not go amiss.
Not  enough emphasis on natural fluid movement in the heavy weight division, possibly because they are so big these days, but for me that's no excuse. Yoga would also help not only in terms of strength and balance but breathing and relaxation. He tenses up an awful lot. If he already does these things then he needs to do them more often.

The young Mike Tyson's early training with D'Amato involved lots of head movement to reduce the number and impact of blows on the way into mashing his bigger opponents. I remember seeing training clips of him avoiding a small swinging lead weight on a chain to improve his technique. Not sure how many ballet lesson's he took though  ;).

Nothing wrong with a bigger fella moving out of the way and working his angles better on the way in too. Although Joshua caught up with him, Whyte did at least slip a lot of his punches and used a bit of ring craft to land his own. Joshua also tends to throw arm punches rather than using his whole frame. The power he currently generates does punish his opponents, but the power he COULD generate would be truly devastating.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Joshua has an enormous amount of potential and he does throw a decent selection of punches. It'd just be a shame if his potential was knocked out of his ears before he has a chance to show case exactly what I believe he is definitely capable of.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on December 16, 2015, 11:38:54 PM
Lets not forget that Joshua won the Olympic gold which tends to guarantee media interest and hype through no fault of his own. He's also looking the part far more than a certain Audley Harrison who lived off the hype and didn't knuckle down.
Every good heavyweight in history has had plenty of easy fights on their record. Chisora would be a reasonable next opponent who could maybe give Joshua four or five rounds work. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on December 17, 2015, 08:10:29 AM
Lets not forget that Joshua won the Olympic gold which tends to guarantee media interest and hype through no fault of his own. He's also looking the part far more than a certain Audley Harrison who lived off the hype and didn't knuckle down.
Every good heavyweight in history has had plenty of easy fights on their record. Chisora would be a reasonable next opponent who could maybe give Joshua four or five rounds work.


Flippin hell, I'd fancy my chances against Fraudley.  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: nick_wba on December 17, 2015, 12:09:16 PM
Saturday exposed the Joshua hype for what it is... hype.  Don’t get me wrong Joshua is a fantastic prospect but all this talk of him being able to beat anyone in the division right now is absolute garbage, Joshua isn’t ready for Fury, Klitchsklo, Povetkin or even Wilder at the moment.   His defence needs alot of work, his head movement needs to improve and footwork isn’t perfect either.  On the plus side although his chin isn’t made of kryptonite he did show superb powers of recovery after the second round.

This was Joshua’s 15th fight and probably the only one he has learnt anything from, I hope Hearn puts him in with some more game fighters like Whyte and not knock down jobs but with the hype train that surrounds Joshua Hearn knows he can stick him in with pretty much anyone and the casuals will still lap it up.  I suspect a shot Derek Chisora in April will be next and the Sky hype machine will ensure that it is presented as if it is a meaningful fight for AJ.

He has no experience fighting at that level, I agree the top boys are faaar better than he is currently. They are a whole different level. But, they all had to walk the path that AJ is currently walking, and AJ is doing it as well any of the top dogs did.

People are pretending that AJ didn't dominate the fight, fair play to Whyte though he's got a hell of a chin on him.

Joshua gassed himself trying to end it in 1 round for the bragging rights. I think if the first round was more competitive, he would have been pacing himself better. When you think you've won, and your opponent is wobbling, it's easy to stop throwing jabs, to stop boxing, to stop moving, and just throw power shots. That's essentially what Joshua was doing from about 1 minute into the first round. That's why he gassed in the 2nd. From round 3 on, he was always in control. He boxed, he learned a lot about himself.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbasoprano on December 18, 2015, 04:24:55 PM
Anyone on here off to Manchester tomorrow for Tommy Langford's fight? I am, can't wait  :)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 25, 2016, 09:15:09 AM
Anyone doing the Tommy Langford fight on Feb 13 Liverpool echo arena, ideal really same day as the Everton game. see you at both :)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on January 25, 2016, 10:08:45 AM
Ive watched Langfords last 3 fights.

I think he will struggle at domestic level, he hasnt got the power. The belt he has got doesnt really mean anything, the WBO give those belts out for fun.

It takes balls to get in the ring so fair play to the kid.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 26, 2016, 07:34:02 PM
With regards to Joshua, there was always going to be hype on the back of his Gold medal in 2012. He can't be blamed for that nor the way he came out and showed destructive punching either irrespective of who against, anything could've happened fighting competitively without a headguard for the first time. Against Bakhtov he walked through a couple of crisp shots, proving he had a capable chin. He'll blast Chisora, the size disadvantage will be overwhelming let alone anything else.

Far more excited to watch Brook v Khan or Selby v Warrington than any of the nonsense in the heaviest division personally. The British ranks are brimming with fighters who are at World Level and I still think Fury's stint will be shortlived and far more recognition should go to fighters elsewhere.



Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on January 26, 2016, 07:53:26 PM
With regards to Joshua, there was always going to be hype on the back of his Gold medal in 2012. He can't be blamed for that nor the way he came out and showed destructive punching either irrespective of who against, anything could've happened fighting competitively without a headguard for the first time. Against Bakhtov he walked through a couple of crisp shots, proving he had a capable chin. He'll blast Chisora, the size disadvantage will be overwhelming let alone anything else.

Far more excited to watch Brook v Khan or Selby v Warrington than any of the nonsense in the heaviest division personally. The British ranks are brimming with fighters who are at World Level and I still think Fury's stint will be shortlived and far more recognition should go to fighters elsewhere.

Still think AJ has a lot more to learn before he goes a World Title. As you say would love to see Selby against Warrington. Selby great ability.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on January 26, 2016, 08:20:36 PM
The only thing is that where he is now, and World Level is hardly brimming with opposition. That's probably the most frustrating thing and will inevitably see him thrown into a sink or swim situation. He beats Chisora and say Price and people will still say, well he fought two people whose careers went way wards.

Tony Thompson are the likes who he could fight and learn from, but it's potentially just as dangerous as say Joe Parker. For reasons at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Quigg v Frampton is going to be sensational, Callum Smith will be hoping to have a big year and could fight for a World title before the end of it.

Personally I love Kal Yafai and hope he can come to world prominence by the end of the year. Which will be interesting and Selby's brother beat him as an amateur and despite only recently turning pro could chase him. Long term I think that will be a big British bout next year. Heard it here first lol
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on January 27, 2016, 01:12:49 PM
Tommy Langford not boxing on 13th feb been moved to 12th march.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on February 25, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
Big Super-Bantam Title fight this Saturday.

Would love to see Quigg win but, I don't see Frampton losing.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on February 25, 2016, 10:27:27 AM
Big Super-Bantam Title fight this Saturday.

Would love to see Quigg win but, I don't see Frampton losing.

Im going.

And ive got tickets to AJs fight in april.

Quigg will win, left hook to the body!!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2016, 11:32:42 AM
Frampton all day long, not even a 50/50, levels above the simpleton Quigg.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on February 25, 2016, 04:54:11 PM
It's a tough one to call this one. I'm a big fan of both and it's a fight I've been looking forward to since it was announced.

I don't see Frampton knocking Quigg out so will favour Frampton on points but I'm edging towards Quigg by knockout in 7th or 8th.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on February 25, 2016, 09:54:08 PM
Frampton all day long, not even a 50/50, levels above the simpleton Quigg.

It'll be interesting to see if you have the same view after the fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2016, 10:01:55 PM
It'll be interesting to see if you have the same view after the fight.
I'm confident and have put my money where my mouth is.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 25, 2016, 10:03:45 PM
It's a tough one to call this one. I'm a big fan of both and it's a fight I've been looking forward to since it was announced.

I don't see Frampton knocking Quigg out so will favour Frampton on points but I'm edging towards Quigg by knockout in 7th or 8th.
Why not? Quigg has been put down by a jab before
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 26, 2016, 07:06:28 AM
Frampton's a monster and as good as Quigg is so much has been made of his lifestyle and regime... clearly underestimating what Shane McGuigan puts his fighters through. Also how Quigg stopped Martinez and Frampton didn't... it was Frampton's first World title shot in just his 19th fight, Quigg done it in fight 30 odd. The fact Quigg also lost to Salinas but saw it 'Drawn' is hardly inspiring considering just how good and hungry Frampton is.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on February 26, 2016, 03:01:56 PM
Why not? Quigg has been put down by a jab before

Frampton got put down twice in his last fight to a nobody.

Quigg will be too quick for him
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on February 26, 2016, 03:05:22 PM
Frampton's a monster and as good as Quigg is so much has been made of his lifestyle and regime... clearly underestimating what Shane McGuigan puts his fighters through. Also how Quigg stopped Martinez and Frampton didn't... it was Frampton's first World title shot in just his 19th fight, Quigg done it in fight 30 odd. The fact Quigg also lost to Salinas but saw it 'Drawn' is hardly inspiring considering just how good and hungry Frampton is.

Quigg is trained by the ring magazine trainer of the year, no stone unturned. Its not often gallagher gets it wrong.

My prediction Quigg KO round 2 left hook to the body
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 26, 2016, 05:30:57 PM
Quigg is trained by the ring magazine trainer of the year, no stone unturned. Its not often gallagher gets it wrong.

My prediction Quigg KO round 2 left hook to the body

McGuigan will never win such an accolade because of the lack of notable fighters under him, wasn't long ago that it was just Frampton. One thing he does have is the record or being the world's youngest lead trainer ever to have coached someone to a significant world title (25).
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 26, 2016, 05:52:06 PM
McGuigan will never win such an accolade because of the lack of notable fighters under him, wasn't long ago that it was just Frampton. One thing he does have is the record or being the world's youngest lead trainer ever to have coached someone to a significant world title (25).
On the lack of noteable fighters Groves, Haye and Frampton aren't a bad trio and his stock continues to rise, rumour has it a top welter weight is about to join him as well.

As for Gallagher he has 3 world champs; however Quigg is a paper champ, Liam Smith fought for a vacant title against a very limited boxer who had never been in a 12 rounder, only Crolla I'd give him props for.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 26, 2016, 05:56:45 PM
Frampton's a monster and as good as Quigg is so much has been made of his lifestyle and regime... clearly underestimating what Shane McGuigan puts his fighters through. Also how Quigg stopped Martinez and Frampton didn't... it was Frampton's first World title shot in just his 19th fight, Quigg done it in fight 30 odd. The fact Quigg also lost to Salinas but saw it 'Drawn' is hardly inspiring considering just how good and hungry Frampton is.
I agree, Sky have billed him as this fighter that no one matches in terms of hard work dedication, but lets get real 90% of boxers are ridiculously dedicated, Frampton spends weeks/months away from his family to train.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 26, 2016, 06:01:05 PM
Lack of noteable fighters..  Groves, Haye and Frampton are not a bad trio and rumour has it a top welter weight is about to join him as well.

As for Gallagher he has 3 world champs, however Quigg is a paper champ, Liam Smith fought for a vacant title against a very limited boxer who had never been in a 12 rounder, only Crolla I'll give him props for.

3 is hardly overwhelming, 2 of whom have fought just once under him. I was defending McGuigan, unless he trains more top fighters he won't win such awards. Personally think he's a top bloke and there's a reason he's so in demand.

Callum Smith's the best he's got. Love him and think he'll be beating Groves if/when they meet.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on February 26, 2016, 06:04:18 PM
On the lack of noteable fighters Groves, Haye and Frampton aren't a bad trio and his stock continues to rise, rumour has it a top welter weight is about to join him as well.

As for Gallagher he has 3 world champs; however Quigg is a paper champ, Liam Smith fought for a vacant title against a very limited boxer who had never been in a 12 rounder, only Crolla I'd give him props for.

Quigg blasted martinez out in 2, it took frampton 9 rounds.

Groves and haye are hardly setting the world alight are they?

Gallaghers gym is thriving at the minute.

All 4 smith brothers british champions
3 world champions
All of his fighters have fought for world titles in the past 12 months.

It will be a cracker, cant wait to get up there  :D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on February 26, 2016, 06:07:44 PM
Jealous you going, just watched the weigh in, atmosphere was nuts.

On another note I think all Smith brothers are pretty limited if we are talking world level, bar Callum who is a huge prospect.

Enjoy Manchester!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 27, 2016, 06:40:48 AM
Quigg blasted martinez out in 2, it took frampton 9 rounds.

Frampton has never been involved in a contentious decision where most thought the opponent won. Quigg has, not so long ago, Yoandris Salinas?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on February 27, 2016, 12:04:33 PM
Frampton class above. I see him busting Quigg up actually, stopping him in about the 8th round.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on February 27, 2016, 03:22:47 PM
Not really in either camp for this one, just hope it's a great fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on February 27, 2016, 08:21:36 PM
quigg for me with a ko.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on February 27, 2016, 11:04:14 PM
See Gareth McAuley in the ring before the fight supporting Frampton
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mikkyk on February 28, 2016, 01:30:59 AM
See Gareth McAuley in the ring before the fight supporting Frampton


I think most of Northern Ireland was there!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on February 28, 2016, 09:00:31 AM
Thought Quigg got his tactics wrong and started to late. Frampton deserved the decision but it should have been unanimous. Don't know where there judge got that score from in favour of Quigg.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on February 28, 2016, 04:57:09 PM
Had a great day/night in manchester.

Met tyson fury. He wanted my jacket  :D

Quigg got his tactics all wrong, frampton worthy winner.

Onto london on April 9th to watch AJ.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tennant1wba on February 28, 2016, 05:29:25 PM
missed  last night im off to 02 though april 9 th watch joshua
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on February 28, 2016, 06:40:24 PM
Had a fiver on a draw at 25/1 for lasts nights fight, but Frampton was the better man on the night. Called out Santa Cruz and no mention of Rigo. Regarding the AJ fight the title fight i think is a bit early for him but he is facing probably the easier of the champions in Martin.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on February 28, 2016, 07:02:55 PM
Had a fiver on a draw at 25/1 for lasts nights fight, but Frampton was the better man on the night. Called out Santa Cruz and no mention of Rigo. Regarding the AJ fight the title fight i think is a bit early for him but he is facing probably the easier of the champions in Martin.

Good interview with Tyson Fury on IFL about AJ
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on February 28, 2016, 07:22:50 PM
Good interview with Tyson Fury on IFL about AJ

Nice one :D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 31, 2016, 09:38:15 AM
Will Joshua beat Martin?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on March 31, 2016, 01:25:12 PM
Will Joshua beat Martin?

Within 3/4 rounds yes. Hyping it again to sell it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 31, 2016, 01:40:23 PM
i wont purchase the fight i always get a decent stream
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on April 08, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
Cant wait to get down to london tomorrow.

I think AJ 1st round. Might stick a fiver on it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 08, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
One of the worst "world title" fights ever. There must be about ten heavyweights for sure who are better than both Martin and Joshua.

The Sky hype is not only incredibly irritating but also largely unjustified given that there are several world titles for each weight nowadays and this is easily the weakest of the heavyweight ones.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on April 08, 2016, 02:47:22 PM
Hoping it lasts to rounds 3-6. Then big money is won.

Joshua will get 8m for this if he wins, Martin is getting 6m (considering his highest pay day before was probs about 50-100kish). Madness! Nearly 1m PPV buys in UK they're expecting.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 08, 2016, 02:58:41 PM
Hoping it lasts to rounds 3-6. Then big money is won.

Joshua will get 8m for this if he wins, Martin is getting 6m (considering his highest pay day before was probs about 50-100kish). Madness! Nearly 1m PPV buys in UK they're expecting.


A few no doubt will be hoping for a good stream
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 09, 2016, 06:13:53 PM
perfect stream, sky your having a laugh
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 09, 2016, 09:05:43 PM
Kodi is your friend, don't think this'll go longer than about 5 minutes though, if they walk to the ring quickly might be over before Match of the Day starts.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 10, 2016, 01:14:52 AM
Kodi is your friend, don't think this'll go longer than about 5 minutes though, if they walk to the ring quickly might be over before Match of the Day starts.

Close enough, took about 4 minutes and was finished in time to see the final whistle at Vile Park on MOTD!! Tremendous stuff. He'll beat Fury and Wilder before the year is out.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 10, 2016, 02:03:56 AM
Close enough, took about 4 minutes and was finished in time to see the final whistle at Vile Park on MOTD!! Tremendous stuff. He'll beat Fury and Wilder before the year is out.


Martin has never beaten anyone of note, not a top 10 heavyweight, he was a ridiculous "world champion". The best he beat was Glazkov and he's just about number 15 or so. Joshua has such power he will always destroy weak fighters but when he comes up against class you'll see how one dimensional he is. Fury, Klitschko, Povetkin, Pulev, Wilder, Ortiz, are all too much for Joshua right now.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 10, 2016, 08:44:04 AM

Martin has never beaten anyone of note, not a top 10 heavyweight, he was a ridiculous "world champion". The best he beat was Glazkov and he's just about number 15 or so. Joshua has such power he will always destroy weak fighters but when he comes up against class you'll see how one dimensional he is. Fury, Klitschko, Povetkin, Pulev, Wilder, Ortiz, are all too much for Joshua right now.
He can box as well as bomb - I think you are wrong in calling him one dimensional. Fury has the potential to make it awkward as he can move quite well and vary his game - would still back Joshua against him though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on April 10, 2016, 07:19:14 PM
Had a fantastic weekend in london.

Witness to history.

The only people who will trouble Josh is Fury and Klitschko. Once that right hand lands its game over.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: FallOutBoy on April 11, 2016, 01:10:50 PM
Part of me thinks that if Joshua gets a big fight against Fury, Haye, etc, then he'd get found out. But then he's never had a test like that - it could be that he is that good, he'd knock them out too.

It's a catch 22. Until he fights them you'll never know, but you don't want to stick him in there before he's ready.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on April 11, 2016, 01:36:44 PM
AJ is a future world champion, just not yet.

AJ vs Fury would be a very good fight at the moment, by Joshua is still raw and needs to learn a few more things, you can see how his game changed from White to Martin and you can tell he has learnt from the fight and adapted to it very well.

That being said, I wouldnt fancy many people to stay standing if he connect properly with his right fist.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on April 11, 2016, 01:46:50 PM
I would like to see Haye v Joshua with the winner taking on Fury.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tuamigos on April 11, 2016, 02:41:07 PM
I would like to see Haye v Joshua with the winner taking on Fury.

Hayes finished as a boxer, he's now a TV 'personality' no way back IMO
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 11, 2016, 02:53:21 PM
I would like to see Haye v Joshua with the winner taking on Fury.

I believe i read that if Haye and Shannon Briggs come through their prospective fights they will face each other. Personally a lot of people like Briggs so called 'Attitude' but i think he is a boring one trick pony.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on April 11, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
I believe i read that if Haye and Shannon Briggs come through their prospective fights they will face each other. Personally a lot of people like Briggs so called 'Attitude' but i think he is a boring one trick pony.

I would love to see that fight. Briggs has been watching too much Rocky 3 and mimics Mr T!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on April 11, 2016, 03:21:51 PM
Fury won't ever fight Haye he said after he pulled out on him. But Fury says a lot so who knows.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 11, 2016, 03:41:07 PM
I get the impression that Briggs is getting the media treatment to provide a name for Haye to beat before he challenges for a world title.
Briggs is 45, was never that great at the top level and shouldn't be anywhere near the picture.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: j2burnz on April 11, 2016, 09:55:38 PM
AJ is a future world champion, just not yet.

AJ vs Fury would be a very good fight at the moment, by Joshua is still raw and needs to learn a few more things, you can see how his game changed from White to Martin and you can tell he has learnt from the fight and adapted to it very well.

That being said, I wouldnt fancy many people to stay standing if he connect properly with his right fist.

Correct me if wrong but didn't he become world champion on Saturday?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 11, 2016, 10:56:32 PM
Correct me if wrong but didn't he become world champion on Saturday?

He did indeed. A lot of people have tried to right this guy off, and the more he fights the more he looks the real deal. His power is ridiculous and will more than compensate for any shortcomings he might have technically.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
Correct me if wrong but didn't he become world champion on Saturday?


No he holds a "version of" one which he got for beating a guy who probably isn't even a top 20 / 25 heavyweight who only got the title himself because his opponent had an injured knee.

The top boys in the heavyweight division are Fury, Klitschko, Povetkin, Ortiz and Wilder.

Haye will beat Joshua and Chisora would probably beat Martin.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on April 12, 2016, 01:07:25 PM

No he holds a "version of" one which he got for beating a guy who probably isn't even a top 20 / 25 heavyweight who only got the title himself because his opponent had an injured knee.

The top boys in the heavyweight division are Fury, Klitschko, Povetkin, Ortiz and Wilder.

Haye will beat Joshua and Chisora would probably beat Martin.

Boxing has 4 main governing bodys.

WBC
WBA
IBF
WBO

Tyson Fury got stripped of the belt. He knew the score when he paid the sanction fee to fight for that belt. klitschko would have got stripped aswel if he had won.

we could go round in circles saying who the real champ is and who would beat who, but the only we can truely know is if they fight, but due to boxing politics half the time these fights dont happen.

BTW Povetkin and Ortiz havent shown anything in last few years to be top heavyweights.

The man to beat Is Tyson Fury. He has 2 of the 4 major belts.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Boxing has 4 main governing bodys.

WBC
WBA
IBF
WBO

Tyson Fury got stripped of the belt. He knew the score when he paid the sanction fee to fight for that belt. klitschko would have got stripped aswel if he had won.

we could go round in circles saying who the real champ is and who would beat who, but the only we can truely know is if they fight, but due to boxing politics half the time these fights dont happen.

BTW Povetkin and Ortiz havent shown anything in last few years to be top heavyweights.

The man to beat Is Tyson Fury. He has 2 of the 4 major belts.


Really? Povetkin knocked out the very smart but inconsistant Mike Perez in a round time before last. Perez is far better than Martin. Last time he KO'd Wach who had previously been beaten once in 31 fights by Klitschko on points. Ortiz knocked out Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings also both on a completely different level to Martin. Jennings went the distance with Klitschko in a "legitimate" world title challenge.

Levels.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on April 12, 2016, 01:33:13 PM

Really? Povetkin knocked out the very smart but inconsistant Mike Perez in a round time before last. Perez is far better than Martin. Last time he KO'd Wach who had previously been beaten once in 31 fights by Klitschko on points. Ortiz knocked out Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings also both on a completely different level to Martin. Jennings went the distance with Klitschko in a "legitimate" world title challenge.

Levels.

look at who ortiz has fought before though, nobody who jumps out and screams hes any good.

looking back prob bit harsh on povetkin, he has been in with some decent fighters.

I agree charles martin wasnt the real deal.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2016, 01:37:27 PM
I get the impression that Briggs is getting the media treatment to provide a name for Haye to beat before he challenges for a world title.
Briggs is 45, was never that great at the top level and shouldn't be anywhere near the picture.


Briggs is after a big pay day. He was following Klitschko around for years before Fury beat him, now he's turned his attention to Fury and Haye. Both would see Briggs off without too much trouble.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on April 12, 2016, 03:29:29 PM

Briggs is after a big pay day. He was following Klitschko around for years before Fury beat him, now he's turned his attention to Fury and Haye. Both would see Briggs off without too much trouble.

Did you see the video clip where Briggs and his entourage chased Klitschko when he was out rowing on his board?
 :P.

So childish, and yet so funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nyoof_Pm8U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nyoof_Pm8U)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 12, 2016, 03:36:53 PM
Did you see the video clip where Briggs and his entourage chased Klitschko when he was out rowing on his board?
 :P.

So childish, and yet so funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nyoof_Pm8U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nyoof_Pm8U)


Yep. I love Briggs to be honest he's a character and more than a bit bonkers  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 12, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
The circus around Briggs is pathetic; here we have a 44 year old bloke who’s last meaningful fight was 6 years ago, some people might find his whole ‘let’s go champ’ routine mildly entertaining but the man should not be sharing a ring with the likes of Joshua or Haye; its unsafe and shouldn’t be sanctioned, let’s not forget he was left in a pretty horrific state after the Klitschko fight and that was in 2010.

As for the governing bodies, yes there are a number of belts in each weight class but in most you can still pin point the real champion and Joshua certainly isn’t it.  The IBF are almost as big as joke as the WBA and I won’t be classing Joshua a champion until he beats one.  I’m a fan of Joshua but I’m not getting on the hype train until he beats someone of note, granted you can only beat what is in front of you but nothing decent has stood in front of AJ yet.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 25, 2016, 11:23:23 AM
So the great Anthony Joshua's next opponent is Dominic Breazeale. Another fighter that hasn't beaten a top twenty heavyweight, in fact he hasn't fought a top 30 / 40 one. Cue the usual O.T.T crap from Sky.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on April 25, 2016, 11:37:44 AM
So the great Anthony Joshua's next opponent is Dominic Breazeale. Another fighter that hasn't beaten a top twenty heavyweight, in fact he hasn't fought a top 30 / 40 one. Cue the usual O.T.T crap from Sky.

An absolute joke of a fight. Im not sure what will be worse.

A) The over the top promoting of this fight from the Media
B) The general public continuing to label Joshua as the next Ali when he comfortably wins, while still continuing to slag off Tyson Furys ability (the actual heavyweight champion)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 25, 2016, 12:45:55 PM
Eddie Hearn is doing what ALL promoters do.  Pick the easiest fights for his fighters.  He's done it with Kell Brook and now with Joshua.


Its up to the boxers themselves to demand the big fights.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on April 25, 2016, 12:59:25 PM
Ive booked my tickets for next joshua fight through fightpass.

Im not bothered about that fight really because its not going to last 2 rounds. Its all about George Groves Vs Martin Murray on the undercard.

Fury tickets aswel this week. Hope the misses dont check the bank  :o
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 25, 2016, 01:05:30 PM
Ive booked my tickets for next joshua fight through fightpass.

Im not bothered about that fight really because its not going to last 2 rounds. Its all about George Groves Vs Martin Murray on the undercard.

Fury tickets aswel this week. Hope the misses dont check the bank  :o


Now that is a good contest.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 25, 2016, 01:41:06 PM
Eddie Hearn is doing what ALL promoters do.  Pick the easiest fights for his fighters.  He's done it with Kell Brook and now with Joshua.


Its up to the boxers themselves to demand the big fights.
Yep and while casuals lap it up and pay PPV for this crap it will carry on.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 25, 2016, 03:58:28 PM
Eddie Hearn is doing what ALL promoters do.  Pick the easiest fights for his fighters.  He's done it with Kell Brook and now with Joshua.


Its up to the boxers themselves to demand the big fights.

Taking Brook to the states to fight Shawn Porter? Or Paul Smith to Berlin to fight Abraham? Only have to look at Frosh to disprove this theory.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 25, 2016, 04:38:45 PM
Taking Brook to the states to fight Shawn Porter? Or Paul Smith to Berlin to fight Abraham? Only have to look at Frosh to disprove this theory.
Brook was Porter's mandatory, how else was Brook ever going to win a title without fighting a champion?  Smith was challenging Abraham for a world title, honestly what are you talking about??? We are talking about making easy uncompetitive title defences and to counter it you have given two examples of fighters challenging for world titles?  Rendering you post absolutely pointless.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 25, 2016, 05:09:35 PM
There was me thinking you've got four routes for world titles...
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 28, 2016, 11:33:06 AM
State of Fury past couple of days, and this thread is full of people knocking Joshua. World's gone mad.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 28, 2016, 11:40:12 AM
State of Fury past couple of days, and this thread is full of people knocking Joshua. World's gone mad.


hes leaving us for the states, hes not loved :-* there you go Tyson a kiss of love from me
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on April 28, 2016, 11:48:42 AM
Fury is a lot better boxer than people give him credit for, if he and Joshua were to get in the ring this weekend Fury would see him off.

Joshua is doing a good job of beating what is infront of him. He knows he isn't ready yet, Whyte shook him in the fight back in December. I'd say currently both Klitschko and Fury would have too much for him.

Nor should we detract attention away from what is the worst heavyweight division in years. Khan against the Ginger Mexican will be a far better bout than any of the hypothetical match ups that have been banded around the latter pages of this thread.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 28, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
I saw Tyson Fury's press conference yesterday. In a weird way, I quite like him, I think he's weirdly very funny although does possibly cross the boundary of taking it too far.

His comment of "you lost to a fat man" whilst wobbling his beer gut was hilarious.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 28, 2016, 07:18:30 PM
Fury isnt as daft as people make him out to be! A very clever self publicist. People want to see him get beat and will pay good money to do so. Just adds to his bank balance ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on April 28, 2016, 09:08:49 PM
The press conferences and interviews of Fury are much more entertaining than his fights.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on April 28, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
Haven't laughed so hard in ages at Fury ripping Klitschko in the press conference
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 05, 2016, 11:18:12 AM
I see Catchweight Canelo looking to avoid GGG! Claiming he does not deserve a fight with him!. WTF is this clown on!. I really hope Khan can win but cant see it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on May 06, 2016, 10:26:03 AM
Doesn't deserve a fight yet he's been mandatory for that belt since 2014.... One way or another Golovkin gets that belt after this fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 06, 2016, 10:39:14 AM
Got to admit i cant se khan knocking canelo out. He has to work hard for 12 rounds.

Saying that, if canelo lands on the glass chin i can see the legs wobbling again.

There isnt another fight out there for canelo other than GGG after this one.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tucka9 on May 07, 2016, 12:52:17 AM
If Amir could stick to his throwing ones and twos and getting out with his speed and movement there's no one bar Mayweather to beat him at his weight in my opinion, Khan just can't help but love to have a tear up and if he does that he's gone with the power of Canelo
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tucka9 on May 07, 2016, 12:57:58 AM

Martin has never beaten anyone of note, not a top 10 heavyweight, he was a ridiculous "world champion". The best he beat was Glazkov and he's just about number 15 or so. Joshua has such power he will always destroy weak fighters but when he comes up against class you'll see how one dimensional he is. Fury, Klitschko, Povetkin, Pulev, Wilder, Ortiz, are all too much for Joshua right now.
How do you see Joshua as one dimensional can I ask? He's made one mistake as a pro against Whyte and rode the shot and stopped him, other than that done what's put in front of him?
A man who has won an Olympic gold medal, a world championship silver medal and a couple of ABA titles as an amateur is far from a one dimensional fighter in my opinion, beats every man in the what I would say poor division tomorrow.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on May 07, 2016, 07:16:18 AM
If Amir could stick to his throwing ones and twos and getting out with his speed and movement there's no one bar Mayweather to beat him at his weight in my opinion, Khan just can't help but love to have a tear up and if he does that he's gone with the power of Canelo

Agree with that. For me Khan wins this if he fights clever. Hunter will have a game plan and as you say if he avoids a tear up he has the hand speed to pick off Canelo.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 07, 2016, 10:23:39 AM
How do you see Joshua as one dimensional can I ask? He's made one mistake as a pro against Whyte and rode the shot and stopped him, other than that done what's put in front of him?
A man who has won an Olympic gold medal, a world championship silver medal and a couple of ABA titles as an amateur is far from a one dimensional fighter in my opinion, beats every man in the what I would say poor division tomorrow.


He cannot fight on the back foot. He's not great on the inside. He has zero upper body / head movement, he has poor footwork. He is a fighter who works off his jab and has genuine power.

The reason he's done what he's done is he has not fought one world top 25 fighter. His power is too much for bad fighters he will always look sensational against dross.

The number one heavyweight at the moment is Tyson Fury - he beat THE man. Fury would make Joshua look ridiculous at the moment he'd box his head off from the outside. Wladimir would knock Joshua out. Wlad hits at least as hard as Joshua and since he adjusted his game about twelve or so years ago no-one has ever come close to having Wladimir Klitschko in trouble, he is very, very difficult to land on and once Wlad lands the right hand on the static Joshua it's lights out.

That's just two fighters there are others out there that I'd expect to beat Joshua. There are people out there that are SEVERAL levels above anybody Joshua has faced so far.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 07, 2016, 11:22:41 AM
Khan's going to be giving a big size and weight advantage to Canelo. Will be interesting to see how he copes at potentially being bullied by the most experienced boxer (for his age) in the business. There's a reason he's the best LB for LB Boxer about, can see Khan going round 4 or 5.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 07, 2016, 01:11:13 PM
Khan's going to be giving a big size and weight advantage to Canelo. Will be interesting to see how he copes at potentially being bullied by the most experienced boxer (for his age) in the business. There's a reason he's the best LB for LB Boxer about, can see Khan going round 4 or 5.


He's nowhere near the best LB 4 LB. Golovkin, Gonzalez, Ward, Kovalev, Pacquiao, Crawford, Rigondeaux - are all better than Canelo. I know Boxrec have Canelo at number one but hardly anyone into boxing does, in fact I don't think I've ever seen anyone put him as number one.

In terms of the fight with Khan, Khan has the speed to give Alvarez massive problems. If he can keep on the move Amir has a real chance because Alvarez loves fighting against brawlers what he really struggles with is people who box and move i.e. Mayweather, Lara.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 07, 2016, 01:16:36 PM
lb for lb no doubt GGG. Noone is going to stop him.

I got a small feeling khan may well suprise us all tonight.

After watching the weigh in canelo looked so small, i expect him to put on nearly a stone in weight when the first bell rings which maybe the difference.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 07, 2016, 01:49:47 PM
lb for lb no doubt GGG. Noone is going to stop him.

Shame nobody will fight or he'd 110% be considered it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 07, 2016, 03:03:11 PM
Khan's going to be giving a big size and weight advantage to Canelo. Will be interesting to see how he copes at potentially being bullied by the most experienced boxer (for his age) in the business. There's a reason he's the best LB for LB Boxer about, can see Khan going round 4 or 5.

Sorry mate but there is no way Canelo is P4P the best. The likes of Ward, Gonzales,Golovkin,Kovalev,Rigondeaux all better. The Middleweight champ  who insists people come down to 155 to fight him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 08, 2016, 08:12:52 AM
Amir Khan, the new canvas man. What a KO.

Anthony Crolla, what a fight that was, great victory in manchester.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on May 08, 2016, 11:56:38 AM
That was always going to happen to Khan in this fight unless he kept 100% risk free strategy. His chin has always been a bit dubious and fighting two weights higher was a huge risk.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 08, 2016, 12:04:21 PM
Hopefully Canelo will give the public the fight they want to see against GGG. Always gong to be a big ask for Khan stepping up. Fair play to him for taking the fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 18, 2016, 08:04:20 PM
Ended up booking Bellew tickets for next week, not really a fan of his, comes across a bit of a nob. Hope he does the business though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on May 19, 2016, 10:15:34 AM
Well Canelo is a pussy then. Vacated WBC title and gave to GGG so doesn't have to fight at 160lbs. He'll now try and negotiate a deal at 155lbs which GGG won't accept.

I hate boxing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on May 19, 2016, 10:37:41 AM
Well Canelo is a pussy then. Vacated WBC title and gave to GGG so doesn't have to fight at 160lbs. He'll now try and negotiate a deal at 155lbs which GGG won't accept.

I hate boxing.

Clearly you haven't read what Alvarez has said
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 19, 2016, 12:44:23 PM
Is the Haye fight on Dave or Box Nation?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 19, 2016, 07:47:46 PM
Clearly you haven't read what Alvarez has said

Alvarez has vacated the title and a large bargaining leverage that goes with it!. He will only fight GGG if its to his advantage. Seriously think he wants no part of him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 21, 2016, 10:16:54 PM
What an awful match up Haye has just had.

2nd round 1:32 KO he was awful his opponent was
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 22, 2016, 08:29:19 AM
What an awful match up Haye has just had.

2nd round 1:32 KO he was awful his opponent was

Someone is going to get seriously hurt on one of his shows. The mis-matches are embarrassing.

The guy threw himself to the floor after a jab. That said it all.

Rumours floating around the mafia had big money on stoppage in the 2nd round
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on May 22, 2016, 09:00:42 AM
Haye can't just expect to get a big shot straight away after 4 years out. The fight against Briggs will be better IMO. At least fourth round lol
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 22, 2016, 09:01:20 AM
Someone is going to get seriously hurt on one of his shows. The mis-matches are embarrassing.

The guy threw himself to the floor after a jab. That said it all.

Rumours floating around the mafia had big money on stoppage in the 2nd round

When he went down after that jab I laughed out loud!! That looked so fixed its untrue.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 22, 2016, 09:45:24 AM
Pathetic mis-matching it is dangerous. Boxing is a hard sport and someone is going to badly hurt if matching like that is allowed to continue.

Earlier on Saturday Joseph Parker beat Carlos Takam on points. That's a good win for Parker an opponent way better than anyone Anthony Joshua has been in with so far. Takam is certainly a top 15 heavyweight. Parker looked good at times but defensively not great despite looking to have a good chin. It was a significant step up in class however and he and his team can be well pleased with his progression.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smosher34 on May 22, 2016, 11:55:45 AM
after what happened to nick blakwell and he was a good hard fighter , I have said the same someone is going to get hurt with these jokes of a fight . no wonder sky/bt will not screen them fights .
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on May 22, 2016, 05:29:25 PM
after what happened to nick blakwell and he was a good hard fighter , I have said the same someone is going to get hurt with these jokes of a fight . no wonder sky/bt will not screen them fights .

Sky show these mismatches as a matter of course.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on May 22, 2016, 06:20:32 PM
when it comes to serious injuries, its rarely down to total mismatches that end quickly. It tends to be the hard evenly matched fights OR the long fight where one fighter soaks up more than is good for him.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 24, 2016, 05:29:24 PM
Pathetic mis-matching it is dangerous. Boxing is a hard sport and someone is going to badly hurt if matching like that is allowed to continue.

Earlier on Saturday Joseph Parker beat Carlos Takam on points. That's a good win for Parker an opponent way better than anyone Anthony Joshua has been in with so far. Takam is certainly a top 15 heavyweight. Parker looked good at times but defensively not great despite looking to have a good chin. It was a significant step up in class however and he and his team can be well pleased with his progression.

as much as i like the look of parker, he hasnt fought anyone decent yet (apart from takam whos coming to the end of his career)... both dillian whyte and charles martin would destroy him... and joshua handled both of them with ease imo

But like you say, defensively not great, joshua will expose those on the night
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on May 24, 2016, 09:32:44 PM
Charles Martin will never ever be heard of again and would lose to Takam.

Interested in seeing Whyte he'll be fighting Chisora after this fight. Still think he'll just be another Chisora in future but maybe slightly better
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on May 24, 2016, 09:34:20 PM
Clearly you haven't read what Alvarez has said

yes saying something and doing are different things. Funny how GGG team hadn't heard a word since he vacated title about making a fight.

De LA Hoya is a complete little b*tch. So happy Floyd beat him all those years ago and taunted him ever since.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 25, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
Charles Martin will never ever be heard of again and would lose to Takam.

Interested in seeing Whyte he'll be fighting Chisora after this fight. Still think he'll just be another Chisora in future but maybe slightly better

Can't imagine him losing to takam tbh, Parker left himself open all fight and takam wasn't doing anything about it.... He was the experienced one yet looked so slow against a tired fatigued inexperienced Parker
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 25, 2016, 01:27:53 PM
No way would Charles Martin beat Takam, he will beat nobody in the top 30.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 25, 2016, 04:23:30 PM
Everyone said fury wouldn't take the belt off klitschko... Look what happened there lol
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 25, 2016, 05:01:49 PM
Everyone said fury wouldn't take the belt off klitschko... Look what happened there lol
              No. Fury is leagues above Martin.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 25, 2016, 06:28:07 PM
              No. Fury is leagues above Martin.

when did i say fury wasn't?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 25, 2016, 07:47:59 PM
when did i say fury wasn't?

Couple of people struggle with context on here.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: dan7heman on May 25, 2016, 08:13:10 PM
Reading your thread about Fury, I think he is a top fighter and regardless of his views, he deserves alot of credit.

Been having an argument with 2 friends over the last few weeks about Fury v Joshua. It probably wont ever happen but if they fought now I've been saying Fury would win. Yes Joshua looks great but so did Khan in the early days. Joshua hasnt been in with.. or hit by a decent fighter yet. They have been taking the Michael but I think i'm right... Anyone got thoughts on this?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 25, 2016, 10:41:24 PM
Reading your thread about Fury, I think he is a top fighter and regardless of his views, he deserves alot of credit.

Been having an argument with 2 friends over the last few weeks about Fury v Joshua. It probably wont ever happen but if they fought now I've been saying Fury would win. Yes Joshua looks great but so did Khan in the early days. Joshua hasnt been in with.. or hit by a decent fighter yet. They have been taking the Michael but I think i'm right... Anyone got thoughts on this?

completely agree with everything you said... but Joshua has had 16 fights against nobodys (according to most people), if you look at mike tysons first 16 fights... they were weaker opponents than joshuas first 16, not comparing the 2 of them but people need to realise... hes just knocking them out the way one by one  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 26, 2016, 07:09:32 AM
completely agree with everything you said... but Joshua has had 16 fights against nobodys (according to most people), if you look at mike tysons first 16 fights... they were weaker opponents than joshuas first 16, not comparing the 2 of them but people need to realise... hes just knocking them out the way one by one  ;D

Look at tyson furys first 16 opponents, or look at hughie furys 21 opponents.  Dont forget tyson fury was put down by a cruiserweight too.

Boxing is a crooks game, full of politics. One winner which is the promoter.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 26, 2016, 07:57:00 AM
Couple of people struggle with context on here.


Some people struggle understanding levels as well. To compare anything Fury has done with what Martin has done is plain ludicrous.

Just for the record I knew Fury would give Wlad a tough fight, his two or three performances leading up to that fight were outstanding showing him to be a completely different boxer to what he had been previously.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 26, 2016, 07:58:42 AM
Look at tyson furys first 16 opponents, or look at hughie furys 21 opponents.  Dont forget tyson fury was put down by a cruiserweight too.

Boxing is a crooks game, full of politics. One winner which is the promoter.


The difference is the Fury's learn in every fight. They face opponents of ALL styles and so when they come to the top level they know how to handle pretty much everything IF they prove to be good enough.

What has Joshua learned from his early fights? Nothing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on May 26, 2016, 03:35:44 PM
Some shocking mismatches on that Goodison card, Callum Smith's opponent is absolutely atrocious and the size of him!  Disgraceful match making by matchroom again, more of this and you can see something serious happening in a British ring, then maybe Hearn will f*** off out the sport just like his old man did.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on May 26, 2016, 04:52:01 PM
Welcome to Matchroom Boxing
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 26, 2016, 05:42:51 PM

The difference is the Fury's learn in every fight. They face opponents of ALL styles and so when they come to the top level they know how to handle pretty much everything IF they prove to be good enough.

What has Joshua learned from his early fights? Nothing.

Whether hes learnt or not the fact is he is blowing people away for fun.  Hes earning millions from it. We would all do the same.

Some shocking mismatches on that Goodison card, Callum Smith's opponent is absolutely atrocious and the size of him!  Disgraceful match making by matchroom again, more of this and you can see something serious happening in a British ring, then maybe Hearn will f*** off out the sport just like his old man did.

Im going on sunday, the undercard is awful but bellew is in for a tough fight. Its worth the 40 quid ive paid
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 27, 2016, 03:26:02 PM

Some people struggle understanding levels as well. To compare anything Fury has done with what Martin has done is plain ludicrous.

Just for the record I knew Fury would give Wlad a tough fight, his two or three performances leading up to that fight were outstanding showing him to be a completely different boxer to what he had been previously.

No one compared fury to Martin, I was stating a fact that anything is possible in boxing.... You was the one who compared them, think about what you say first.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 27, 2016, 03:29:59 PM

The difference is the Fury's learn in every fight. They face opponents of ALL styles and so when they come to the top level they know how to handle pretty much everything IF they prove to be good enough.

What has Joshua learned from his early fights? Nothing.

How can he not of learned anything? Take a look into his career.... Been the underdog in all his amateur fights and inebriated over nearly all of them, been put in the ring with fighters who ain't done much fair enough.... But there fighters with experience who 'big heavyweights' have came against and took longer to win the win... Joshua is knocking them out within 3 rounds, he got caught off guard by whyte.... Learnt from it and put Martin on his arse twice with the same slip and jab in the same round, how's that not learning anything?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 27, 2016, 03:40:59 PM
How can he not of learned anything? Take a look into his career.... Been the underdog in all his amateur fights and inebriated over nearly all of them, been put in the ring with fighters who ain't done much fair enough.... But there fighters with experience who 'big heavyweights' have came against and took longer to win the win... Joshua is knocking them out within 3 rounds, he got caught off guard by whyte.... Learnt from it and put Martin on his arse twice with the same slip and jab in the same round, how's that not learning anything?


Knocking over cans teaches a boxer nothing. Sooner or later he will come up against someone he can't bang over then he will struggle. The likes of White and Martin are nowhere near top class, leagues below. The same as Breazeale who got a dodgy points win over someone Hughie Fury dominated last fight without being at his best.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 27, 2016, 06:22:23 PM

Knocking over cans teaches a boxer nothing. Sooner or later he will come up against someone he can't bang over then he will struggle. The likes of White and Martin are nowhere near top class, leagues below. The same as Breazeale who got a dodgy points win over someone Hughie Fury dominated last fight without being at his best.

Do your research, when he was amateur... The guys he was fighting were way ahead of him with experience and good records.... Can't help who you get put against, everyone said he had no chin, whyte tested that he came back and knocked him out.... Everyone said he would struggle against a southpaw, he knocked him out lol, each hurdle he's been thrown so far he's smashed through them.

Fury didn't dominate no fight, yes... A great boxer but his night was made easy when his opponent threw about 20 punches the whole fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 28, 2016, 03:37:58 PM
Do your research, when he was amateur... The guys he was fighting were way ahead of him with experience and good records.... Can't help who you get put against, everyone said he had no chin, whyte tested that he came back and knocked him out.... Everyone said he would struggle against a southpaw, he knocked him out lol, each hurdle he's been thrown so far he's smashed through them.

Fury didn't dominate no fight, yes... A great boxer but his night was made easy when his opponent threw about 20 punches the whole fight.




Amateurs and professionals are totally different you can't make a case from one to prove another.

WHO said he would struggle against a southpaw? I haven't heard anyone say that. He was never going to struggle against anyone he's faced so far unless they were given a baseball bat to go into the ring with. It is when he faces top quality opposition that the floors in his game will become evident to the up until now untrained eye.

You clearly didn't see the Hughie Fury fight if you think he didn't dominate it, he won every round on my card and pretty comfortably at that.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 28, 2016, 04:20:08 PM



Amateurs and professionals are totally different you can't make a case from one to prove another.

WHO said he would struggle against a southpaw? I haven't heard anyone say that. He was never going to struggle against anyone he's faced so far unless they were given a baseball bat to go into the ring with. It is when he faces top quality opposition that the floors in his game will become evident to the up until now untrained eye.

You clearly didn't see the Hughie Fury fight if you think he didn't dominate it, he won every round on my card and pretty comfortably at that.

Hughie fury is one big joke.

Ducked a british title fight because he was ill, fair enough. But no hes fighting on 9th july on tysons undercard. Pathetic excuse.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 28, 2016, 04:34:07 PM
Hughie fury is one big joke.

Ducked a british title fight because he was ill, fair enough. But no hes fighting on 9th july on tysons undercard. Pathetic excuse.


Hughie Fury is a child at the moment mentally and emotionally. Look at his last fight, he was winning every round yet he was pretty much sulking, complaining that he felt flat - it was like he just didn't want to be there. Don't forget though, he is barely a man he is very, very young especially for a heavyweight. Hughie has lots of ability, technically very good, fast hands, moves well but at the moment he is isn't mentally strong enough to be leaping too high in class. I suspect his camp know this which is why he's a steady work in progress. He has potential to be a world champion one day but he's nowhere near ready yet.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on May 29, 2016, 12:02:40 PM



Amateurs and professionals are totally different you can't make a case from one to prove another.

WHO said he would struggle against a southpaw? I haven't heard anyone say that. He was never going to struggle against anyone he's faced so far unless they were given a baseball bat to go into the ring with. It is when he faces top quality opposition that the floors in his game will become evident to the up until now untrained eye.

You clearly didn't see the Hughie Fury fight if you think he didn't dominate it, he won every round on my card and pretty comfortably at that.

Yes, they are completely different... that doesn't change the facts though,

 That was the talk before the fight, at the end of the fight joshua said it himself inside the ring that people were saying martin is this big dangerous southpaw and he would struggle.

and who mentioned the Hughie fight? how do you get the name hughie from me saying that klitschko hardly threw any punches? I suggest you read other peoples posts properly because every reply you have said... your talking about complete different things
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 29, 2016, 12:29:43 PM

Hughie Fury is a child at the moment mentally and emotionally. Look at his last fight, he was winning every round yet he was pretty much sulking, complaining that he felt flat - it was like he just didn't want to be there. Don't forget though, he is barely a man he is very, very young especially for a heavyweight. Hughie has lots of ability, technically very good, fast hands, moves well but at the moment he is isn't mentally strong enough to be leaping too high in class. I suspect his camp know this which is why he's a steady work in progress. He has potential to be a world champion one day but he's nowhere near ready yet.

You can talk the talk then duck the first major test.

He has fought 21 times vs 21 bums.

Might aswel stay amateur if all you are going to do is fight bums.

Anyway im off to Goodison, come on the bomber.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 29, 2016, 12:34:21 PM
Yes, they are completely different... that doesn't change the facts though,

 That was the talk before the fight, at the end of the fight joshua said it himself inside the ring that people were saying martin is this big dangerous southpaw and he would struggle.

and who mentioned the Hughie fight? how do you get the name hughie from me saying that klitschko hardly threw any punches? I suggest you read other peoples posts properly because every reply you have said... your talking about complete different things


I was talking about Hughie Fury previously, I haven't mentioned Tyson v Wlad for a good few posts now so may be you should read properly?

Anyone that said Joshua would struggle with Martin simply doesn't know boxing. As for Joshua himself did you really think he was going to say Martin is crap?

Finally, take a tip - your condescending attitude doesn't do anything for you.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 29, 2016, 10:18:53 PM
Bellew has just destroyed Makabu there  :o
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on May 30, 2016, 08:29:59 AM
Bellew has just destroyed Makabu there  :o


Great performance from Bellew. He is a different fighter at Cruiserweight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 30, 2016, 10:10:29 AM
What a night that was! Managed to sneak in ringside, got loads of pics with boxers and referees and was even on the tv.

Great performance, scousers do your head in though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 01, 2016, 01:35:32 PM
What a farce! Pro boxers allowed to fight at the Rio Olympic Games :o

https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2016/06/01/professional-boxers-can-compete-in-2016-rio-olympics/
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 01, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
Agreed I hate this move. I suppose when you have the mega money earners in a lot of the other sports (tennis, golf), legally it might be hard to stop boxers also.
It's always been one of the interests of boxing in spotting certain people at the Olympics and then watching their careers develop or unravel in the pro game.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: saml30 on June 01, 2016, 11:08:55 PM
What a farce! Pro boxers allowed to fight at the Rio Olympic Games :o

https://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2016/06/01/professional-boxers-can-compete-in-2016-rio-olympics/

I agree with you, I don't like the idea of it but I suppose the argument is that every other sports person in the Olympics is a professional
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Post by: M666EYS on June 04, 2016, 12:35:09 AM
Thoughts and prayers are with muhammed ali and his family.

Looks like he onky has hours to live.

The greatest. Ali.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 04, 2016, 06:05:21 AM
THE greatest boxer of all time, a man who truly changed the world, thank you for the memories, RIP.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tuamigos on June 04, 2016, 06:15:49 AM
Didn't agree with some of his politics but he believed in what he preached and what a sports man.
RIP Ali
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on June 04, 2016, 07:54:44 AM
An icon of a man who will be remembered forever. rip Cassius Marcellus Clay.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 04, 2016, 08:05:14 AM
Farewell to a legend our life times.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on June 04, 2016, 08:43:33 AM
Float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.


God bless.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 04, 2016, 09:27:50 AM
RIP Ali! You were as you said the Greatest.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 04, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
THE greatest boxer of all time, a man who truly changed the world, thank you for the memories, RIP.


The biggest myth of all time.

Real character though and a very, very good boxer. R.I.P. Mohammad.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 04, 2016, 10:44:58 AM
RIP Cassius Clay
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 04, 2016, 10:56:41 AM

The biggest myth of all time.

Real character though and a very, very good boxer. R.I.P. Mohammad.
It's not the biggest myth of all time....there have been other boxers who would probably shade it but Ali would be in most peoples short list for discussion on who can be considered the best of all time.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 04, 2016, 10:59:02 AM
Transcended the sport of boxing. RIP Muhammad Ali. Greatest Of All Time.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 04, 2016, 01:11:48 PM
It's not the biggest myth of all time....there have been other boxers who would probably shade it but Ali would be in most peoples short list for discussion on who can be considered the best of all time.


That says more about their knowledge and the way they have been influenced by the times and the media. The 60's and 70's were the first time sporting legends were exposed visually on a universal basis to the general public and because of that almost everything from those times has an inflated sense of greatness. Ali is no exception.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: The Black Pearl on June 04, 2016, 01:39:55 PM

The biggest myth of all time.

Real character though and a very, very good boxer. R.I.P. Mohammad.

If you are going to be pedantic, you could at least spell his name correctly. ;)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 04, 2016, 02:06:16 PM
If you are going to be pedantic, you could at least spell his name correctly. ;)


Ali - that's right isn't it?  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: ex coseley kid on June 04, 2016, 04:23:31 PM
The Greatest in mine and my dad's book.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on June 04, 2016, 09:58:45 PM
RIP. THAT fight against Frazier
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: albion59 on June 04, 2016, 10:21:43 PM
He was simply the best!

 R I P
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 04, 2016, 10:33:53 PM
Rip Cassius clay. Who's your favourite boxer for me it has to be either Nigel benn or Barry mcguigan.





Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: M666EYS on June 04, 2016, 11:24:40 PM
Rip Cassius clay. Who's your favourite boxer for me it has to be either Nigel benn or Barry mcguigan.

Roy Jones Jr for me. Had everything.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Slimbo on June 05, 2016, 06:58:45 AM
R.I.P. Ali The greatest
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 12, 2016, 07:29:28 AM
Lomachenko has just put on in round 4 and 5 particularly, the best quality boxing I've ever seen in a ring.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on June 12, 2016, 09:21:37 AM
Lomachenko has just put on in round 4 and 5 particularly, the best quality boxing I've ever seen in a ring.

The closing moments and knock out/stoppage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amyqa6vbQT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amyqa6vbQT8)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 12, 2016, 11:00:21 AM
Lomachenko has just put on in round 4 and 5 particularly, the best quality boxing I've ever seen in a ring.

Nothing will beat Calzaghe v Lacy for me, in terms of quality.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 12, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
Nothing will beat Calzaghe v Lacy for me, in terms of quality.


That was Calzaghe's best performance IMO. Lacy came over here as unbeatable, the new Mike Tyson and Joe boxed his head off from first second to last. Brilliant.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 15, 2016, 08:48:01 AM
Any of you lot going to Cardiff in July to watch Tommy fight?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 01, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
i will be at the Tommy fight, hes building quite a following.Las Vegas next
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 08, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
GGG to fight Kell Brook :o


http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/breaking-gennady-golovkin-will-fight-kell-brook/
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on July 09, 2016, 12:03:34 AM
GGG to fight Kell Brook :o


http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/breaking-gennady-golovkin-will-fight-kell-brook/
so the overated /over hyped eubank jnr loses out for the time being.good,kell brook will hgive GGG a better fight,probably wont  win it but a more attractive match
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on July 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Kell brook signed to fight GGG in september with Eubank jnr the true fighter at the weight being passed over it seems because of his greed over ambition,probably his dad poking his nose in.that said i think Kell can make the weight step up anf give GGG just as good a fight as jnr
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on July 09, 2016, 02:27:22 PM
Given that Kel Brook was manhandled at times by Shawn Porter and shook up in his first fight with Carson Jones it's hard to see how he goes the distance with Golovkin.

Brook is a good fighter though and fair play to him for taking this fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2016, 08:06:11 PM
Full highlights of Kovalev v Chilemba!. Got to say i fancied Kovalev against Andre Ward but Ward will be too clever for him

http://smackhisface.com/2016/07/11/boxing-sergey-kovalev-vs-isaac-chilemba-full-fight/
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on July 12, 2016, 09:49:31 AM
Full highlights of Kovalev v Chilemba!. Got to say i fancied Kovalev against Andre Ward but Ward will be too clever for him

http://smackhisface.com/2016/07/11/boxing-sergey-kovalev-vs-isaac-chilemba-full-fight/


Kovalev wouldn't have been mentally right for the Chilemba fight. Regardless of the fact that he had a fighter in front of him Kovalev's mindset will be all about Ward. This fight was in preparation for Ward.

Chilemba is tricky and very tough. The perfect warm up fight for Ward.

Kovalev will look a different fighter on the night.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 15, 2016, 07:37:39 PM
Will i see any of you lot in Cardiff tomorrow night?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 18, 2016, 07:25:19 PM
went to Cardif Saturday to watch Tommy Langford, managed to catch his last two rounds :(, one of the party got the times wrong.Still another win for Tommy and was good to meet him after in The Mocka lounge Bar, my head still hurts. god help me this coming weekend, Amstel here we come
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on July 31, 2016, 05:56:24 AM
Carl Frampton beats Leo Santa Cruz. What a fight. Fight of the year.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on July 31, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
Carl Frampton beats Leo Santa Cruz. What a fight. Fight of the year.
Sounds like a great fight. Sets up the possibility of a British unification fight with Lee Selby.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on July 31, 2016, 05:31:37 PM
Selby v Frampton would be incredible.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on July 31, 2016, 05:58:12 PM
Selby v Frampton would be incredible.

I like Selby but Frampton is a class above. Without doubt Britain's number 1 boxer at the moment.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2016, 08:52:10 AM
Tommy Langfords next fight folks is a bigone against Chris Eubank Jnr, 22 oct Cardiff Motorpoint arena. Be there hes gaining quite a following
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on August 25, 2016, 02:22:51 PM
Tommy Langfords next fight folks is a bigone against Chris Eubank Jnr, 22 oct Cardiff Motorpoint arena. Be there hes gaining quite a following

Eubank is a joke. Simple.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2016, 02:46:46 PM
Eubank is a joke. Simple.


what at boxing
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on August 25, 2016, 02:50:37 PM
Eubank is a joke. Simple.


He will crush Langford.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2016, 02:58:54 PM

He will crush Langford.


I do fear the worse
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on August 25, 2016, 07:18:12 PM
I detest jnr as much as his dad but he is a few classes above Langford, early stoppage to jnr imo
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 25, 2016, 07:29:56 PM
I like Tommy but this is a step up in class. Jr is talking the talk but not walking the walk. if he is as good as he thinks he is he should be fighting world class fighters not British level.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on August 25, 2016, 07:56:42 PM
I like Tommy but this is a step up in class. Jr is talking the talk but not walking the walk. if he is as good as he thinks he is he should be fighting world class fighters not British level.
Jnr should have had the match with golovkin and not Kelly brook but I think he and his dear old pa priced themselves out of the fight
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on August 25, 2016, 08:01:17 PM
Eubank is a joke. Simple.
Jnr ain't no joke and as much as I dislike him is very talented,has he got his daddy's chin though? If he has I can see him going right to the top
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on August 26, 2016, 11:17:15 AM

what at boxing

Typical boxer this day and age. Name drop the biggest claim you want the fights then appear to lose a pen or make unrealistic demands.

Ruining the sport is all its doing.

Oh and he needs to stop listening and being it's his f'ing dad every day
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on September 09, 2016, 01:42:05 PM
Massive fight this weekend. Kell Brook vs Gennady Golovkin.


Can't wait.  Really hope Brook does it but its a massive uphill task considering hes going up two weights and against THE most feared fighter in the world at the moment who no one else seems to want to fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on September 09, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
Massive fight this weekend. Kell Brook vs Gennady Golovkin.


Can't wait.  Really hope Brook does it but its a massive uphill task considering hes going up two weights and against THE most feared fighter in the world at the moment who no one else seems to want to fight.

Going to be a very interesting fight, Brook is in a win win situation to be fair, he will have gained some fans for being willing enough to step up the weight categories and fight GGG, regardless of if he wins or not.

Also if he wins, I imagine there will be a rematch (or even if its a close run fight).

Hope he does it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on September 09, 2016, 02:06:07 PM
I really fear for Brook - this bloke can punch.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on September 09, 2016, 02:11:00 PM
Brook has two chances and slim has just left the room.

He's not beating GGG.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on September 09, 2016, 02:39:06 PM
Cant wait for tomorrow, wish the undercard was a little beefier though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on September 09, 2016, 02:58:10 PM
I really fear for Brook - this bloke can punch.

He also has a head which literally has no pain barrier, I have seen him take some solid punches and not even flinch.

Hes a machine.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 09, 2016, 03:23:16 PM
Good luck to Kell Brook for taking this fight but I can see GGG stopping him around 7 rounds.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on September 09, 2016, 03:27:44 PM
This fight is a mis match and Eddie Hearn needs to have a word with himself.......
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on September 09, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
Got tickets, excited.

Much like watching England though. I have no hope for Kell yet at the back of my mind you think it's possible.... until reality hits
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on September 09, 2016, 04:08:54 PM
Got tickets, excited.

Much like watching England though. I have no hope for Kell yet at the back of my mind you think it's possible.... until reality hits

Have a good night.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 10, 2016, 07:51:00 AM
Kill Brook's going to have to stop him 12/1 best odds. Gotta be done just because I want it to happen.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 10, 2016, 10:48:42 AM
Good luck to Kell Brook for taking this fight but I can see GGG stopping him around 7 rounds.
7?a bit optimistic on behalf of brook methinks a boxing mismatch if ever there was one,stepping up 2 weights will make brook less mobile and tiring a lot quicker.over in 5 at the most for me,would have preffered to see brat jnr in there with GGG and think he wouldnt be a racing cert
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on September 10, 2016, 09:27:51 PM
Come on Kell, give it your all!!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 10, 2016, 11:33:35 PM
Total mismatch. His corner have saved him some serious damage.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBArgo on September 10, 2016, 11:36:47 PM
Total mismatch. His corner have saved him some serious damage.
Indeed, very sensible considering the Nick Blackwell stuff earlier this year.

I thought Brook did relatively well to last as long as he did, but Golovkin was a class above and it was only heading one way.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 10, 2016, 11:51:37 PM
called it on the button,kell had a great second round but GGG is relentless with a great chin.would love to see brat JNR or billy joe in with him next
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on September 10, 2016, 11:52:21 PM
Exactly as expected. Brooks speed gave him early success but the longer the fight went on the more he was going to get hurt. The stoppage was bang on.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on September 10, 2016, 11:52:43 PM
Hearn visibly annoyed with Ingle at the end there, speaks volumes. The bloke is an utter twonk.

Another Matchroom mismatch. Jonny Nelson going on like a broken eye socket is an accident. His corner have saved him from getting a real beating there.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 11, 2016, 12:11:07 AM
Hearn visibly annoyed with Ingle at the end there, speaks volumes. The bloke is an utter twonk.

Another Matchroom mismatch. Jonny Nelson going on like a broken eye socket is an accident. His corner have saved him from getting a real beating there.
agreed,we have had enough boxing tradegys.the right decision by his corner.he will fight to see another day
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on September 11, 2016, 12:37:08 AM
Wasn't just size that told in the end.  GGG is so accurate and powerful but with an excellent chin. Brook was hitting him plenty but to little effect. Brook isn't a huge puncher at welterweight so he was going to have little effect at middle. I know Kell is known as 'special' but only one special fighter on show tonight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 11, 2016, 06:40:35 AM
A total mismatch? Brook looked the real deal in there. Drew blood from GGG and hurt him. He got badly hurt by one of the biggest punchers in the division. People get hurt in boxing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on September 11, 2016, 09:49:00 AM
A total mismatch? Brook looked the real deal in there. Drew blood from GGG and hurt him. He got badly hurt by one of the biggest punchers in the division. People get hurt in boxing.

The point being Scooby is that Brook had to put on weight to get into the division, and that would have affected his performance whether he says so or not.

He gave a good account of himself but was very quickly running out of steam. There is a difference to getting hurt and ending up like Michael Watson, and I don't believe for one second that anyone would want to see that.

Brendan Ingle did absolutely the right thing. Eddie Hearn needs to have a good look at what he arranged last night. A total mismatch
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gavinrussell on September 11, 2016, 09:56:42 AM
Eubank Jr put out a pretty inflamatory tweet after the fight ..goading GGG'S team and saying come and get some if you dare and that his corner don't have towels !!!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 11, 2016, 10:30:19 AM
Eubank Jr put out a pretty inflamatory tweet after the fight ..goading GGG'S team and saying come and get some if you dare and that his corner don't have towels !!!
think brat jnr would give GGG a great fight,as he looks to have his daddy's chin but a lot quicker and more talented than his daddy.hope they match them up pretty soon
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on September 11, 2016, 01:36:45 PM
A total mismatch? Brook looked the real deal in there. Drew blood from GGG and hurt him. He got badly hurt by one of the biggest punchers in the division. People get hurt in boxing.

Agreed. Not as big a mismatch as people are making out, certainly not a boxing mismatch anyway. The fight was close up until the second half of the 5th. Eventually, Golovkin's size and power told as most people predicted.

That said, Brook needs to drop back down - I'd light to see him test the waters at light-middleweight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 11, 2016, 06:02:26 PM
Fair play to Kell Brook for a valiant effort but stepping up two divisions against one of the games best fighters was always going to be a big ask. Full credit to his corner for pulling him out. Eubanks tweet about his corner not having towels!. At least Brook's corner had a pen. Fighting British level fighters. Get your dad to buy a pen son!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
Can't remember Kahn getting this sort of credit when he went up two weight divisions to face Canelo away from home, infact I remember he got roundly ridiculed, incidentally I think Kahn was performing better in that fight before the knock out than Brook did last night.  Strange.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on September 11, 2016, 08:43:47 PM
Eddie Hearn needs to have a good look at what he arranged last night. A total mismatch
Agree wholeheartedly.  The WBA wouldn't even sanction last night's fight, the WBA, the most unscrupulous organisation out there - says it all. Maybe all these mismatches will one day catch up on Hearn and then he'll bail out on the sport just like his old man did.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on September 12, 2016, 11:29:05 AM
Can't remember Kahn getting this sort of credit when he went up two weight divisions to face Canelo away from home, infact I remember he got roundly ridiculed, incidentally I think Kahn was performing better in that fight before the knock out than Brook did last night.  Strange.

I think it's cause Khan just acts like a money grabbing pillock half the time (I know boxing is that now) and most of his comments seem hypocritical. Boxing wise Khan is good, he just always seems to lose his cool and make that one mistake or move that ultimately costs him.

Atmosphere was incredible. All last night did was prove to me is why Khan is avoiding Kell (in my opinion). Khan won't be able to hurt him and Brook is way too accurate, will take his head off.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on September 12, 2016, 11:45:33 AM
I think it's cause Khan just acts like a money grabbing pillock half the time (I know boxing is that now) and most of his comments seem hypocritical. Boxing wise Khan is good, he just always seems to lose his cool and make that one mistake or move that ultimately costs him.

Atmosphere was incredible. All last night did was prove to me is why Khan is avoiding Kell (in my opinion). Khan won't be able to hurt him and Brook is way too accurate, will take his head off.

I watched the fight again last night, Kell did some very impressive work on GGG, and to his credit he acknowledged that, but there was only ever going to be one winner. Brook is a class act and you are right, he would be too good for Khan. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on September 12, 2016, 08:58:05 PM
Why is Fury defending his title and making million(s) when he's charged with (but not yet guilty of) doping offences ?
Shouldn't he be suspended pending the findings ?
The fact that Hughie Fury faces the same charge doesn't help Tyson's plea of innocence much.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: j2burnz on September 12, 2016, 10:38:32 PM
Can't remember Kahn getting this sort of credit when he went up two weight divisions to face Canelo away from home, infact I remember he got roundly ridiculed, incidentally I think Kahn was performing better in that fight before the knock out than Brook did last night.  Strange.

probably because he is a delusional bell end!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 18, 2016, 12:35:07 AM
chris eubank jnr has cried off from the fight with our tommy langford and relenquished the british title.more daddy meddling methinks
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on September 18, 2016, 08:41:32 PM
Canelo amazing last night in a stoppage against our world champ Liam Smith. Thought Smith had a chance but Canelo too strong and Smiths punches had no effect.

Canelo vs Golokin has to happen soon. Has the makings of a classic.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: zac on September 18, 2016, 08:54:48 PM
chris eubank jnr has cried off from the fight with our tommy langford and relenquished the british title.more daddy meddling methinks

Frank Warren has gone absolutely crazy! I was trying to find the interview where he is just ranting about him but apparently he was claiming he's not seriously injured and just has tennis elbow.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on September 18, 2016, 09:32:37 PM
Frank Warren has gone absolutely crazy! I was trying to find the interview where he is just ranting about him but apparently he was claiming he's not seriously injured and just has tennis elbow.

Its on the Box Nation Twitter feed

https://twitter.com/boxnationtv
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBArgo on September 18, 2016, 11:59:12 PM
Warren and Hearn have both said that the Eubank's have constantly messed around with fight contracts, pulling out late, demanding more money etc so I think everybody is sick of them by now.

For his careers sake I think Eubank just needs to fight anybody possible now as it's becoming a bit of a joke. Langford would have been a good option but I can see Billy-Joe Saunders getting the GGG fight before Eubank now and rightly so.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on September 19, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
Warren and Hearn have both said that the Eubank's have constantly messed around with fight contracts, pulling out late, demanding more money etc so I think everybody is sick of them by now.

For his careers sake I think Eubank just needs to fight anybody possible now as it's becoming a bit of a joke. Langford would have been a good option but I can see Billy-Joe Saunders getting the GGG fight before Eubank now and rightly so.

The Eubank camp are an absolute joke.

As soon as Brook fight was finished, Eubanks camp are releasing posts saying they dont own towels and would take the fight etc etc, then a week later hes pulling out of a fight with Tennis elbow.

As someone said above, watch the interview on box nation on what the promoters really think of the Eubank team.

All mouth no action.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 23, 2016, 09:21:35 PM
 Fury v klitchko 2 is off yet again with fury blaming an ankle injury in training,methinks he's running scared and sure to get stripped of his remaining belts
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 25, 2016, 12:29:36 AM
anthony crolla,out classed and out fought tonight,the belt rightly changes hands
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on September 25, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
Always a tall order to beat Linares. Crolla did well but sad to say another title belt leaves the UK and Gallagher gym.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 25, 2016, 12:20:57 PM
Always a tall order to beat Linares. Crolla did well but sad to say another title belt leaves the UK and Gallagher gym.
Crollas problem is he hasnt got a real knockout punch,talk of Linares offering him a rematch in the UK again.pointless imo Crolla will get beat once more
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 30, 2016, 05:08:05 PM
Tyson Fury tests positive for Cocaine :o

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/tyson-fury-world-heavyweight-champion-tests-positive-for-cocaine-and-could-be-stripped-of-titles-a7339851.html
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 30, 2016, 05:16:49 PM
Tyson Fury tests positive for Cocaine :o

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/boxing/tyson-fury-world-heavyweight-champion-tests-positive-for-cocaine-and-could-be-stripped-of-titles-a7339851.html
Finished and all washed up,very lucky to have caught klitchko on one of his off nights,just as well that he never got in with detonay wilder who I think will clean the belts up in the heavyweight division,Joshua would be wise to sidestep him and keep him at arms length
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on September 30, 2016, 06:52:25 PM
I wish I was all washed up with a World Title belt and 17 million pound.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 30, 2016, 10:03:13 PM
I wish I was all washed up with a World Title belt and 17 million pound.
Wouldn't think for one minute he got anything near 17M as the contender,maybe a third of that amount
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BigFrank20 on October 01, 2016, 09:47:04 AM
Another boxer dies after a tough bout
This is a sport in some trouble at the moment
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on October 01, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
Wouldn't think for one minute he got anything near 17M as the contender,maybe a third of that amount

He has got an "estimated" net worth of 17m.

Must admit I wish he would stick the boxing and leave some of the crap behind. Hard to 100% root for the guy. Good job we have AJ.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 01, 2016, 01:34:04 PM
He has got an "estimated" net worth of 17m.

Must admit I wish he would stick the boxing and leave some of the crap behind. Hard to 100% root for the guy. Good job we have AJ.
dont think joshua will reign that long,i saw enough when he fought dylian whyte,just like bruno for me.if he cant put an oponent away in the first 5/6 he runs out of steam.too much building up of muscles that sap your energy,Ali was the perfect shape for a heavyweight,besides having a cast iron chin and a heart as big as a bucket.his like will never be seen again in a lifetime
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 01, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Another boxer dies after a tough bout
This is a sport in some trouble at the moment
Frank Warren mentioned that the boxer Mike Towell's girlfriend said he'd been suffering migraines leading up to the fight. All fighters have a pre fight medical check at some point, surely he wouldn't have been allowed in the ring if he had made the medics aware of this ...can only assume he kept it to himself. Tragic, but an inevitable occasional event in boxing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 02:12:44 PM
Fury apparently tweeted he's retired and that boxing is the saddest thing he ever got involved with and to go and syck dick I'm the greatest,yeah right decision mate before a good one caves your head in.his opponents have all been  bum a month Patsy's with the exception of an unfit unmotivated klitchko
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 03, 2016, 02:28:56 PM
Fury apparently tweeted he's retired and that boxing is the saddest thing he ever got involved with and to go and syck dick I'm the greatest,yeah right decision mate before a good one caves your head in.his opponents have all been  bum a month Patsy's with the exception of an unfit unmotivated klitchko


Fury is a class fighter, Klitschko couldn't lay a glove because of Fury's subtle movements which kept Klitschko off balance every time he went to throw.

Fury needs time out, get away from it all. He's in no position to be making long term decisions right now.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 02:47:03 PM

Fury is a class fighter, Klitschko couldn't lay a glove because of Fury's subtle movements which kept Klitschko off balance every time he went to throw.

Fury needs time out, get away from it all. He's in no position to be making long term decisions right now.
Class fighter? Are you on the same as he is? Wilder would have smashed him and a fit klitchko and he knew it hence his announcement
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 02:50:21 PM
While we are debating his so called class,apart from an unfit klitchko who do you rank as a good fighter/ boxer on his unbeaten record?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 03, 2016, 02:55:05 PM
Class fighter? Are you on the same as he is? Wilder would have smashed him and a fit klitchko and he knew it hence his announcement


Since when was Klitschko not fit?  ::)

Wilder would be easily outboxed by Fury, he'd have a punchers chance but he'd have that against anyone.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 03:11:08 PM

Since when was Klitschko not fit?  ::)

Wilder would be easily outboxed by Fury, he'd have a punchers chance but he'd have that against anyone.
I would suggest klitchko took him too lightly and didn't train full pelt,he would have wrecked him this time
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 03, 2016, 03:16:56 PM
I would suggest klitchko took him too lightly and didn't train full pelt,he would have wrecked him this time


That's your "suggestion". There is nothing anywhere to either prove or otherwise suggest this.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 03, 2016, 03:24:49 PM
You don't get to be a WBA heavyweight champion without fighting anyone decent. People throughout his whole career have tried to discredit his boxing talent just because of his personality and off the ring antics, despite the fact he still has never lost a fight.

Though the greatest heavyweight ever, not by a long way.

Did he fight a 100% Vlad. Of corse not

However if Fury were to get himself clean and fit, he would still beat anyone currently in this division, including the British publics golden boy AJ
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 03, 2016, 03:32:29 PM
You don't get to be a WBA heavyweight champion without fighting anyone decent. People throughout his whole career have tried to discredit his boxing talent just because of his personality and off the ring antics, despite the fact he still has never lost a fight.

Though the greatest heavyweight ever, not by a long way.

Did he fight a 100% Vlad. Of corse not


However if Fury were to get himself clean and fit, he would still beat anyone currently in this division, including the British publics golden boy AJ


Greatest ever's are very subjective. You are right though Fury is in no way the greatest ever if nothing else simply because he hasn't had the chance to prove it. Could he have been? The odds are probably not but you can't prove anything that hasn't happened. His overall record is not even close to greatest of all time. Is he the best around at the moment - yes and that will remain as no-one has had the chance to prove otherwise. I'm sure he'd beat the likes of Joshua.

Was Klitschko not 100%? I'm not convinced he wasn't but I think subsequent performances will tell us more.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on October 03, 2016, 03:34:08 PM
Id still be amazed if Fury doesnt fight again. Maybe not this year, maybe not next, but I can't imagine its the last we will see of him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 03, 2016, 03:36:01 PM
You don't get to be a WBA heavyweight champion without fighting anyone decent. People throughout his whole career have tried to discredit his boxing talent just because of his personality and off the ring antics, despite the fact he still has never lost a fight.

Though the greatest heavyweight ever, not by a long way.

Did he fight a 100% Vlad. Of corse not

However if Fury were to get himself clean and fit, he would still beat anyone currently in this division, including the British publics golden boy AJ

I quite like his personality in terms of how he comes across in interviews... says what he wants kind of thing, you need that in boxing to make it interesting otherwise it would be full of fighters licking each others arses.

But I do believe he caught Vlad on an off day, recon it would of been different if the fight was to happen again.

As for AJ, it looks like we won't see that now but fury said himself that joshua bullied him in training and he couldn't cope, hit him so hard felt like he wouldn't of got back up etc etc....... since then joshua has improved whilst fury can't be arsed to train properly and spends his time partying and taking drugs.... maybe the 'golden boy' would shock a few critics.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 03, 2016, 03:40:22 PM
I quite like his personality in terms of how he comes across in interviews... says what he wants kind of thing, you need that in boxing to make it interesting otherwise it would be full of fighters licking each others arses.

But I do believe he caught Vlad on an off day, recon it would of been different if the fight was to happen again.

As for AJ, it looks like we won't see that now but fury said himself that joshua bullied him in training and he couldn't cope, hit him so hard felt like he wouldn't of got back up etc etc....... since then joshua has improved whilst fury can't be arsed to train properly and spends his time partying and taking drugs.... maybe the 'golden boy' would shock a few critics.


Ignore EVERYTHING to do with sparring there are literally hundreds of stories that never made any sense. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 03:43:13 PM
You don't get to be a WBA heavyweight champion without fighting anyone decent. People throughout his whole career have tried to discredit his boxing talent just because of his personality and off the ring antics, despite the fact he still has never lost a fight.

Though the greatest heavyweight ever, not by a long way.

Did he fight a 100% Vlad. Of corse not

However if Fury were to get himself clean and fit, he would still beat anyone currently in this division, including the British publics golden boy AJ
He may if fit beat AJ As he ain't as good as made out wilder though will eventually go on to clean this classless boxing division up if the different boxing boards would allow him to
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 03, 2016, 03:59:25 PM
Think a fit Fury vs a fit Wilder would be a pretty close contest. Doubt it will ever happen now.

I think calling it a classless division is a bit harsh though.

That being said i'm not sure any of the current heavyweights would be in the top 5 or even top 10 pound for pound boxers (triple G being 1st imo)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on October 03, 2016, 04:11:27 PM
Taken it back now apparently. Not retired.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 03, 2016, 04:11:33 PM

Ignore EVERYTHING to do with sparring there are literally hundreds of stories that never made any sense.

Fury was asked in an interview live on radio his thoughts on joshua and he said something along the lines of, we train at the same gym and sparred a few times, I've never felt anyone hit so hard if we didn't stop and he caught me I don't think I would of got back up.

Makes perfect sense to me. Anyway, the tool has changed his mind again so we might see them fight after all :)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 03, 2016, 04:13:33 PM
He may if fit beat AJ As he ain't as good as made out wilder though will eventually go on to clean this classless boxing division up if the different boxing boards would allow him to

What makes him not as good as made out? Knocking out every guy who's put infront of him so far is about as good as you can do, he's done that so far... what do you expect of him? He can only knock out what's put infront of him we ain't seen anything yet to make anyone say ok he's not as good as people say.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 03, 2016, 04:26:13 PM
I think one of the issues regarding AJ is we've never seen him go 12 rounds so we don't know how well he would shape up against a good defensive boxer who is hard to hit.

Re Fury, I hope he gets himself clean and healthy both physically and mentally, and the rematch with Vlad finally gets on
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 04:39:30 PM
What makes him not as good as made out? Knocking out every guy who's put infront of him so far is about as good as you can do, he's done that so far... what do you expect of him? He can only knock out what's put infront of him we ain't seen anything yet to make anyone say ok he's not as good as people say.
I said earlier in this thread and stick by it he's to muscle bound,sure he can punch.Bruno could but it don't half burn energy and he was basically out on his feet against white but found that punch,just as well as whyte was catching up with him
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 04:48:46 PM
Think a fit Fury vs a fit Wilder would be a pretty close contest. Doubt it will ever happen now.

I think calling it a classless division is a bit harsh though.

That being said i'm not sure any of the current heavyweights would be in the top 5 or even top 10 pound for pound boxers (triple G being 1st imo)
Classless compared to past eras,and  wilders 37 wins with 36 ko.s is rather impressive
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 03, 2016, 05:03:34 PM
I said earlier in this thread and stick by it he's to muscle bound,sure he can punch.Bruno could but it don't half burn energy and he was basically out on his feet against white but found that punch,just as well as whyte was catching up with him
Not sure that's correct, Whyte caught him in round 2 or 3 and didn't really get to Joshua after that, while he was getting caught with solid shots throughout.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 05:06:50 PM
Not sure that's correct, Whyte caught him in round 2 or 3 and didn't really get to Joshua after that, while he was getting caught with solid shots throughout.
The point I was making is AJ was knackered,just like Bruno used to get,only a first half fighter IMO with that kind of physique, if he can't drop them and he could if he tags them  then he is fooked.time will bear this out
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 03, 2016, 06:44:03 PM
I said earlier in this thread and stick by it he's to muscle bound,sure he can punch.Bruno could but it don't half burn energy and he was basically out on his feet against white but found that punch,just as well as whyte was catching up with him

He's one of the most athletic heavyweight boxers around today, it does burn a lot of energy but when there are 2 boxers both throwing heavy punches both getting tired then it comes down to the one who can push themselves that little bit further.... and when you compare the extent joshua trains compared to the extent people like fury train.... my vote would be with joshua lasting longer.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 07:11:07 PM
He's one of the most athletic heavyweight boxers around today, it does burn a lot of energy but when there are 2 boxers both throwing heavy punches both getting tired then it comes down to the one who can push themselves that little bit further.... and when you compare the extent joshua trains compared to the extent people like fury train.... my vote would be with joshua lasting longer.
No way is he athletic,he looks more suited to weight lifting,if you want to see athletic in a boxer look at wilder
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 03, 2016, 10:21:15 PM
No way is he athletic,he looks more suited to weight lifting,if you want to see athletic in a boxer look at wilder

Have you saw the way he trains? Do you know the meaning of athletic?

Someone actually asked him that in an interview about how much he lifts.... Until the last year he didn't lift no weights it was purely just eating right and punchbag training etc... we can judge joshua due to not fighting anyone spectacular yet but you can't take away how much he puts into his training. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 03, 2016, 10:21:44 PM
No way is he athletic,he looks more suited to weight lifting,if you want to see athletic in a boxer look at wilder
I haven't seen a lot of Wilder but he seems to be pretty laid back bordering on lazy for periods of fights and then has very explosive bursts. On the rare occasions Joshua has been taken past the early rounds he does seem to realise he has to fight within himself a bit, he did that against Whyte and then found the punches to finish it. I get what you're saying though, he certainly wouldn't be able to fight at pace for 12 rounds....somewhere down the line he might well have to find something in the later rounds which would be the big test.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 03, 2016, 11:03:40 PM
Have you saw the way he trains? Do you know the meaning of athletic?

Someone actually asked him that in an interview about how much he lifts.... Until the last year he didn't lift no weights it was purely just eating right and punchbag training etc... we can judge joshua due to not fighting anyone spectacular yet but you can't take away how much he puts into his training.
not taking anything away from him at all,hes got a version of the belt and fair play to him but he reminds me so much of bruno.i like the bloke as well but he will do well to hang on to that belt and he certainly wont rule the division,last good heavyweight we had was lewis when he was a spritely young one not in his late years for me,couldnt carry the extra weight he put on but just about survived by doing so
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on October 07, 2016, 12:40:09 PM
Did anyone see the Nathan Cleverley fight over the weekend with the German guy?

They were not messing about in the last two rounds - an excellent punch up. Pity the German had to retire - he knew he had been in a fight so well done Nathan...... 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 07, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
Did anyone see the Nathan Cleverley fight over the weekend with the German guy?

They were not messing about in the last two rounds - an excellent punch up. Pity the German had to retire - he knew he had been in a fight so well done Nathan......


I was a bit disappointed with Braehmer to be honest I expected him to see off Cleverly. It was a close fight until the injury but I thought most of the quality work came from the German. I'd expect him to win a re-match.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 07, 2016, 03:37:40 PM
They can't be serious about Haye v Shannon Briggs at the Principality stadium (Millenium)  in Cardiff.....there'll be around 70,000 empty seats if that's the main event.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 08, 2016, 10:56:53 PM
They can't be serious about Haye v Shannon Briggs at the Principality stadium (Millenium)  in Cardiff.....there'll be around 70,000 empty seats if that's the main event.
just shows the glaring lack of real quality in the HW division atm,think it would be a good scrap though.
hookem anybody?he made short work of woolfe :D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 08, 2016, 11:33:49 PM
just shows the glaring lack of real quality in the HW division atm,think it would be a good scrap though.
hookem anybody?he made short work of woolfe :D
It's not so much that they would be fighting, but a 70,000 capacity stadium? If it was third on the bill to Selby v Frampton and something else then that would be half sensible...maybe something like that is cooking.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 11, 2016, 04:45:50 PM
Looking like fury about to be stripped of his remaining titles this Wednesday setting up a klitchko v Joshua winner takes all fight in December,sorry but my money will be on klitchko, can't see any other result if Joshua can't drop him early doors and feel klitchko is to cute to avoid that happening
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on October 11, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
They can't be serious about Haye v Shannon Briggs at the Principality stadium (Millenium)  in Cardiff.....there'll be around 70,000 empty seats if that's the main event.

Exactly! Briggs is just a 'name' fighter who's past his best. His last big fight was against Vitali Klitschko about 6 years ago.
His chasing people around shouting 'Lets go champ' was funny at first but now is just boring.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 11, 2016, 07:05:50 PM
Looking like fury about to be stripped of his remaining titles this Wednesday setting up a klitchko v Joshua winner takes all fight in December,sorry but my money will be on klitchko, can't see any other result if Joshua can't drop him early doors and feel klitchko is to cute to avoid that happening
Klitchko is certainly unlike anyone Joshua has fought before in both style and especially ability. Klitchko is 40 now and hasn't boxed much in the past couple of years....though he's been training hard for 3 Fury fights, one of which happened.  Joshua and his camp should have the sense to know that AJ can't afford to punch himself out. Interesting.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2016, 10:37:27 AM
Tommy Langford fighting for the british title Saturday week in Cardiff, its going to be a great atmosphere, plenty of Albion there on the night and in the pub watching the Liverpool game before.Will see you lot going at his after party celebrating hopefully him becoming british champ
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 13, 2016, 02:59:53 PM
Me and my big gob, its been called off >:(
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 13, 2016, 03:20:40 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2016/10/13/tyson-fury-vacates-world-heavyweight-titles-to-focus-on-recovery/
Clears the path to set up klitchko v joshua
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 13, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
Me and my big gob, its been called off >:(
Why?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on October 13, 2016, 03:24:54 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2016/10/13/tyson-fury-vacates-world-heavyweight-titles-to-focus-on-recovery/
Clears the path to set up klitchko v joshua

Had a look at the odds earlier and Joshua is 4/5 and Vlad is 11/10

Tempted to lump a decent sum on Vlad at that price
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Morany on October 13, 2016, 03:50:52 PM
Why?

Other fighters have pulled out due to injury so they've rescheduled it to the 26th Nov
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 13, 2016, 03:51:19 PM
Had a look at the odds earlier and Joshua is 4/5 and Vlad is 11/10

Tempted to lump a decent sum on Vlad at that price


Joshua could be catching Wlad at the right time though. It's been ages since the Fury fight and Klitschko isn't getting any younger. It may be a flattering win but I can see Joshua winning this.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 13, 2016, 04:26:34 PM
No coincidence that one when Wlad fought someone of similar size he struggled. Couldn't bully, couldn't intimidate and the monotonous jab was ineffective. Joshua will turn him over.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 13, 2016, 08:21:18 PM
I dunno what it is with some of our boxing aficionados on here who think it will be a stitch on for Joshua, he blows out his Arri's like an old cart oss after 5/6 rounds as proved against a second rater in whyte,klitchko ain't going to toe to toe him early doors and wait until he's knackered he won't have to wait too long and bang it'll be lights out Joshua, going to put me a ton on it
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 14, 2016, 11:48:14 AM
I dunno what it is with some of our boxing aficionados on here who think it will be a stitch on for Joshua, he blows out his Arri's like an old cart oss after 5/6 rounds as proved against a second rater in whyte,klitchko ain't going to toe to toe him early doors and wait until he's knackered he won't have to wait too long and bang it'll be lights out Joshua, going to put me a ton on it

klitscho landed 12 punches per round against fury who is not very fast.... if you think he can afford to do that against a more powerful and quicker fighter then you dont know much about boxing.

whyte caught joshua with ONE good punch in ONE round, joshua even said himself he went for knockout punches every punch which tired him out quickly and couldn't get his head in the right place due to personal issues with whyte, he then still managed to shut whyte out so he couldn't get a decent punch on him again, recovered rather easy and found the power late on in the fight whilst he was tired and fatigued to put someone of whyte's size on his ass.

Could well be a fight too soon for joshua, but i think they will be a few shocked faces if the fight were to happen.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 14, 2016, 04:04:11 PM
Joshua is in my humble a slower less mobile fighter than fury who was pretty good on his feet against klitchko, Joshua will be a far easier target to tag
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 14, 2016, 05:04:45 PM
Joshua is in my humble a slower less mobile fighter than fury who was pretty good on his feet against klitchko, Joshua will be a far easier target to tag

You really think joshua is slower?

Joshua has only received one good punch in his professional career and that was against whyte... as that's all the joshua critics can mention, he does a great job at getting into boxers heads whilst in the ring which makes them have to change their game plan on the spot.

I know there is no way to prove who has the most speed but I think the difference would be that fury and joshua are both quick... but fury don't throw combinations like joshua if you watch him...

Hard to judge fury from his fight with klitscho as klitscho was like a sitting duck, barely moved and total punches landed averaged at 12 per round... didn't exactly make it difficult for fury but still fair play to him though for getting the job done he proved a lot of people wrong and I believe joshua will also do the same when the time comes.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 15, 2016, 07:45:05 PM
Anyone think Tony bellew will retain his belt tonight,?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on October 15, 2016, 08:00:19 PM
Anyone think Tony bellew will retain his belt tonight,?

He certainly seems confident so we will see.

Hope he does.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 16, 2016, 12:13:40 PM
Missed the belew fight and by all accounts belew battered Flores in 3 and all kicked off with belew and Hayes post fight, ticket selling stunt maybe?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on October 16, 2016, 12:27:36 PM
Missed the belew fight and by all accounts belew battered Flores in 3 and all kicked off with belew and Hayes post fight, ticket selling stunt maybe?


Definitely. Bellew being Bellew shouting his gob off. Haye just laughed at him.

As for the fight, Flores stopped to complain about a low blow Bellew jumped on him whilst the American wasn't protecting himself knocked him down and Flores never recovered from it.

Haye vs Bellew would be one way traffic, Haye KO's Bellew all day long.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 16, 2016, 02:04:23 PM

Definitely. Bellew being Bellew shouting his gob off. Haye just laughed at him.

As for the fight, Flores stopped to complain about a low blow Bellew jumped on him whilst the American wasn't protecting himself knocked him down and Flores never recovered from it.

Haye vs Bellew would be one way traffic, Haye KO's Bellew all day long.
typical gobby scouser and yes haye for me also knocks big gob belew out all day long
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on October 16, 2016, 02:15:13 PM
I like Bellew but Haye clean knocks him out all day

Didn't see his bout last night though just the aftermath with Haye

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBArgo on October 16, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
I'm in the minority but I think Bellew would beat Haye, for me Haye hasn't boxed properly in years and is in it for the money these days, whereas Bellew is at his peak. Obviously an in-form Haye would beat an in-form Bellew but I think he's past his best.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 16, 2016, 03:58:47 PM
I would have to go with Haye....he doesn't let himself get out of shape even when not having fights. I think he would land cleanly and that would likely be enough as the naturally heavier man.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on October 16, 2016, 04:30:11 PM
Bellew is a tit.

Would love Haye to knock him spark out.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on October 16, 2016, 05:11:05 PM
Haye for me power in either hand. I think Bellew is too emotional and that will play into Haye's hands. Bellew if he walks in looking for a tear up will be stopped inside 5 rounds in my opinion.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smosher34 on October 16, 2016, 07:49:54 PM
Bellew is a gobby so and so thing is he is backing it up . David Haye is a has been fighting bums at the moment
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 16, 2016, 11:10:27 PM
This haye and bellew situation is rather interesting i must say!

Only thing i dislike about haye is what fury pointed out... he retired due to never being able to use his shoulder again... then comes back and fights two clowns and claims his shoulder is better than ever and robbing the public by going into ridiculous match ups that are VERY unfair and could potentially be very dangerous too.

NO ONE on this planet can really judge him after his fights since retirement.... they really have been pathetic match ups.

Not saying i think he would, but it would most certainly be entertaining for the sport if bellew did knock out haye... its been 4 years since haye fought anyone decent... after all he's not in his prime anymore and anyone can win on the day... just take a look at the whole fury klitschko situation for evidence.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on October 17, 2016, 08:10:55 AM
Must say it did add some drama to the end of the fight, it was like watching the wrestling.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 20, 2016, 12:40:00 PM
anyone still going to Cardiff this coming Saturday(couldnt cancel hotels etc) which was what should have been the Tommy Langford fight we will see you there watching the Albion. Pub suggestions welcome
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 25, 2016, 12:07:46 AM
now klitchko cries off from a belt unity with joshua,the heavyweight division has become a joke the last 12 months,wait long enough and old father time will retire klitchko before he enters the ring :D
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/37758260
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 21, 2016, 11:06:07 AM
Anyone in Cardiff on Saturday to cheer on Tommy Langford see you at the motorpoint arena
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Webby on November 22, 2016, 12:45:15 PM
Haye vs Briggs possible for WBA as Browne failed another drug test
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 25, 2016, 03:45:16 PM
So we have Haye verses Bellew then, should be alot of spitting and bitching
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 25, 2016, 04:06:24 PM
see you in Cardiff tomorrow night folks
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on November 25, 2016, 08:43:24 PM
So we have Haye verses Bellew then, should be alot of spitting and bitching

Nothing but a mismatch and a cashout.  Haye is faster, stronger, bigger,  has better footwork and a better defence and is an actual heavyweight.  Doubt it will last 5 rounds.  Sure the Sky casuals will lap it up when Bellew acts up in the build up.  All a complete act to flog PPV, the pair were/are actually pretty friendly with each other.  Eddie Hearn turning boxing into WWE since 2012.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on November 26, 2016, 10:19:05 PM
Big congratulations to Tommy Langford tonight on his British Middleweight title win.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on November 26, 2016, 10:44:52 PM
yep big congrats tommy the baggie but im afraid thats his pinicle and wont hold the belt too long.hope im wrong though
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on November 26, 2016, 11:10:49 PM
yep big congrats tommy the baggie but im afraid thats his pinicle and wont hold the belt too long.hope im wrong though

Yeah don't expect him to go any further.  Nice tidy boxer and has skills and excellent work rate but never looks like knocking out an opponent.

To think he was scheduled to fight Eubank Jr tonight wasn't he?  With respect he is no where near that level.

No mean achievement though a British title.  Well done to him. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on November 27, 2016, 12:05:57 AM
Yeah don't expect him to go any further.  Nice tidy boxer and has skills and excellent work rate but never looks like knocking out an opponent.

To think he was scheduled to fight Eubank Jr tonight wasn't he?  With respect he is no where near that level.

No mean achievement though a British title.  Well done to him.
agreed,ubank juniotr would have destroyed him
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 04, 2016, 11:54:59 AM
how billy jo saunders got the win last night is beyond me,a very poor showing by him i thought :o
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 09, 2016, 02:02:52 PM
Any predictions for tomorrow nights card? Whyte to ko Derek and Molina to stop Joshua for me.not overly impressed with Joshua's long distance chances with all that muscle so if Molina can keep him at arms length first half the fight I can see an upset on the cards
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on December 09, 2016, 05:18:53 PM
Joshua in 6. Whyte on points. Kal Yafai to  win the world title.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 09, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Joshua in 6. Whyte on points. Kal Yafai to  win the world title.
Goes past 6 and Joshua is in trouble for me
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 09, 2016, 07:01:38 PM
Goes past 6 and Joshua is in trouble for me

Has lost 3 times!. All by KO. Got stopped by Chris Arreola in a round. Eddie aint stupid!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 09, 2016, 07:31:45 PM
Has lost 3 times!. All by KO. Got stopped by Chris Arreola in a round. Eddie aint stupid!
But he had wilder in trouble early doors and Eddie may not be stupid but maybe a tad complacent, remember lewis McCall? Nothing is a cert in boxing
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 09, 2016, 07:57:16 PM
But he had wilder in trouble early doors and Eddie may not be stupid but maybe a tad complacent, remember lewis McCall? Nothing is a cert in boxing

Yep! Fair comment mate!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 10, 2016, 07:13:27 PM
What a great night of boxing we have ahead of us.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on December 10, 2016, 07:26:22 PM
What a great night of boxing we have ahead of us.


Chisora v Whyte is the only competitive fight.

Molina is crap. Knocked out in a round by Arreola who is no good at world level.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 10, 2016, 07:43:00 PM
That british title fight that just finished was great.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: boing_boing68 on December 10, 2016, 08:02:09 PM
its about time Joshua fought someone decent
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 10, 2016, 08:12:54 PM
Molina is no bum, even though he wore that daft hat at the weigh in.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 10, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
Brutal knockout by Callum Smith, Yafai is boxing now.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 10, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
any decent live streams for this boxing card? :-[
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 10, 2016, 09:47:24 PM
any decent live streams for this boxing card? :-[

You dont need sky you can buy it off the website.

EDIT: If not I would recommend FirstRowSports
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 10, 2016, 11:53:24 PM
any decent live streams for this boxing card? :-[

I'm on firstrow.

Thought that last fight was a draw. Very entertaining bout.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on December 11, 2016, 12:12:58 AM
Joshua in 6. Whyte on points. Kal Yafai to  win the world title.
Ok so far..
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on December 11, 2016, 12:21:49 AM
Pathetic.  Hearn is going to get someone seriously hurt if he keeps putting on fights like that.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on December 11, 2016, 12:23:22 AM
Pathetic.  Hearn is going to get someone seriously hurt if he keeps putting on fights like that.

There isnt anyone as good as Joshua apart from Klitscsko.

You cant blame them, he is still progressing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 11, 2016, 12:24:27 AM
Another nobody. Klitscko will be a massive step up. And I'm a Joshua fan. I'd fight Haye next if the Championship board would allow it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on December 11, 2016, 12:25:48 AM
Embarrassing 'fight'. The guy didn't throw a single punch and was clearly there for the payday

Thankfully the undercard had some cracking fights in and saved the night for all the people who paid for tickets. The Chisora fight the pick of the bunch
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 11, 2016, 01:01:11 AM
What a joke the main fight was  >:( Hopefully we'll get a proper contest when he faces Klitschko, even if he is a geriatric!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheBrom on December 11, 2016, 01:03:04 AM
Totally ridiculous fight. From the moment the first bell rung he didn't want to be there. Was flinching and running away from Joshua the entire fight. Think Joshua toyed with him and then finally did the deed in the 3rd round. I'm not sure he landed a punch the entire fight. Saying this however, Joshua could have really done with a decent opponent before his Klitschko fight to actually test him a bit. Will be interesting to see how he fares against an actual competitive opponent. Feel sorry for those who paid and stayed up to watch that!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 11, 2016, 10:19:12 AM
where on earth does hearn keep finding these patsys from and seriously how does he keep selling the tickets?,maybe klitchko will stretch AJ a bit for once.hes sure lucky to be around in a very poor era of heavyweights,chisora v whyte i thought was a good scrap but at the very least should have been a draw  and for me chisora just shaded it
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 11, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
There isnt anyone as good as Joshua apart from Klitscsko.

You cant blame them, he is still progressing.
if thats a given then what a gobshite division it is atm,they should match him up with wilder next before klitchko
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on January 17, 2017, 03:47:01 PM
Never been a fan of Anthony Joshua but just saw he was a top trend on twitter so had a peak.

Turns out he's been open minded enough to embrace his friends culture+religion and has attended a Mosque with him and as a result has received a huge backlash of racist and Islamaphobic abuse from many unpleasant people.

A depressing world we live in.

However hopefully some of the many people claiming they will never watch him again can give me a ticket to his fight with Vlad on the cheap  :)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on January 17, 2017, 07:06:29 PM
Never been a fan of Anthony Joshua but just saw he was a top trend on twitter so had a peak.

Turns out he's been open minded enough to embrace his friends culture+religion and has attended a Mosque with him and as a result has received a huge backlash of racist and Islamaphobic abuse from many unpleasant people.

A depressing world we live in.

However hopefully some of the many people claiming they will never watch him again can give me a ticket to his fight with Vlad on the cheap  :)
It is depressing but sadly predictable.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Baggies on January 17, 2017, 08:11:16 PM
People find it very easy to abuse when hidden behind a computer. I personally don't quite understand how critical thinkers can really have faith, but live and let live.

I like Joshua. He doesn't do the usual boxing trash talk and he is refreshing in his honesty (admitting to being flawed in sparring by David Price). If his faith helps him be like this, then let him live as he wants to.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 18, 2017, 01:26:50 PM
supprised noone mentioned the De gale fight last Saturday. quite possibly the most brutal fight i have seen
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on January 18, 2017, 01:42:41 PM
supprised noone mentioned the De gale fight last Saturday. quite possibly the most brutal fight i have seen

Do you know as soon as I saw your item under boxing I thought to myself that I must put something up about that fight.

I watched it last night and you are right, it was brutal. Excellent fight and as controversial as it is, I think a draw was about right. Two quality boxers who just went for it. Nothing seemed to hurt Jack, but De Gale did some excellent work. I hope there is a re match.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on January 18, 2017, 01:44:41 PM
supprised noone mentioned the De gale fight last Saturday. quite possibly the most brutal fight i have seen

Did you see Benn v McClellan?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 18, 2017, 01:51:31 PM
Did you see Benn v McClellan?


quite possibly but age gets the better of me just lately. The Degale fight considering it was on normal sky was a bargin
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on January 29, 2017, 09:31:51 PM
Santa Cruz defeated Frampton on points in their return contest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38786911 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38786911)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on February 24, 2017, 07:00:39 PM
Haye v Bellew tomorrow night. Personally i think Haye will hit too hard for Bomber. I can see Haye winning inside 3 rounds. Also Tyson Fury's cousin Hughie is going to to be fighting Joseph Parker for the WBO title in April.

 http://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2017/02/24/hughie-fury-vs-joseph-parker/
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: leeiswba on February 24, 2017, 07:05:38 PM
Haye v Bellew tomorrow night. Personally i think Haye will hit too hard for Bomber. I can see Haye winning inside 3 rounds. Also Tyson Fury's cousin Hughie is going to to be fighting Joseph Parker for the WBO title in April.

 http://www.boxingnewsandviews.com/2017/02/24/hughie-fury-vs-joseph-parker/

Hate fight in next week mate
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on February 24, 2017, 07:16:24 PM
Hate fight in next week mate

Correct lee my mistake :-[
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 21, 2017, 01:39:14 PM
any of you going to see our Tommy fight in Leicester tomoorow night, its on BT if your not going
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on April 22, 2017, 11:03:11 PM
They just played iiquidator as tommys intro with the 'f8ck off Wanderers'.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Dexy on April 22, 2017, 11:05:09 PM
They just played iiquidator as tommys intro with the 'f8ck off Wanderers'.
He joined in too haha
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jimmy on April 22, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
Tough mad little geezer he is fighting though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Dexy on April 22, 2017, 11:29:25 PM
Damn , dangerous puncher though
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 23, 2017, 01:04:35 PM
Did the commentator apologise  for the liquidator swearing
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on April 23, 2017, 01:35:30 PM
who won?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 23, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
Langford lost - caught with a left hook in the 5th and stopped.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 23, 2017, 04:46:55 PM
Felt sorry for Tommy, Khurtsidze looks a bit of a beast. Got a bit Feisty as Billy Joe Saunders had a pop at Khurtsidze.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Dexy on April 23, 2017, 04:50:32 PM
Did the commentator apologise  for the liquidator swearing
Yes he did.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on April 23, 2017, 08:00:56 PM
Shame really because Langford is a decent boxer but he couldn't keep him off him and showed naivety as he walked straight onto the hook despite the warning of the same shot in the 1st round.

I'm not convinced of Langford at the very top level. He might get lucky and get the chance at a weak world champion once GGG has vacated all the belts though.




Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on April 24, 2017, 08:59:42 AM
Shame for Tommy....he will come back im sure

Looking forward to this weekends match up its going to be a great fight I reckon
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on April 29, 2017, 10:26:58 PM
great fight between Joshua and klitschko.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on April 29, 2017, 10:47:38 PM
Joshua looked lost from round 7-9 but what a comeback in round 11.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on April 29, 2017, 10:48:35 PM
Fantastic fight. Well done Aj but hats off to Klitschko, who was magnificent.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on April 29, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
lets be fair,joshua had lost it going into round 10 and found some energy to wallop klitchko.im pleased for joshua showed a lot of heart but he will never ever be up there with the best.wilder will sort him out double quick,but hey,a boxer has always a punchers chance so what do i know? ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on April 29, 2017, 11:29:14 PM
Think it was a great fight

Thought Joshua's comeback was brilliant as he was out of it 7-9 but grabbed hold of the fight again once his head cleared

Well done AJ you look the real deal to me
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on April 29, 2017, 11:34:08 PM
Big learning curve for AJ and hats off to both fighters.
a unification with Wilder would be another massive event. Let's hope they can get it on.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 29, 2017, 11:41:17 PM
Proving the doubters wrong.


Arguably there for the taking in round 7, but used that and the subsequent two rounds to recover then knocked the old man out.


The Klitschko brand will survive the loss and Joshua probably learned more in this fight than he did the previous 18.


Real deal as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on April 30, 2017, 12:22:13 AM
real deal?get away with you.some folk are easily pleased :o
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 01:05:14 AM
lets be fair,joshua had lost it going into round 10 and found some energy to wallop klitchko.im pleased for joshua showed a lot of heart but he will never ever be up there with the best.wilder will sort him out double quick,but hey,a boxer has always a punchers chance so what do i know? ;D

Not alot If i remember some of your previous comments on here about boxing  ::)

Im sure your said bellew would have no chance against haye.... klitschko wouldn't go toe to toe early doors with joshua, take him to the later rounds when he's tired etc etc and it will be lights out for joshua....

Hope your never put that ton on it ;)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tuamigos on April 30, 2017, 09:12:34 AM
Great fight, well done AJ
He probably learned more in that fight last night than in his previous 18.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 09:45:52 AM
real deal?get away with you.some folk are easily pleased :o
what is the real deal anyway ? Isn't it proving you belong at that level, which he did last night ? He may beat or lose to Wilder but you can't say he's some imposter who doesn't belong there.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: divinewind on April 30, 2017, 09:51:44 AM
One of the best fights i have seen for ages. Two superb athletes going hammer and tongue, both gave their all.
So many twists and turns, both can give and receive hard punches and still carry on.
It probably would have been a different ending had Klitchko not been 17 years older, but well worth the money to watch.
If anyone didn't enjoy that i don't know what they expect.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 10:02:15 AM
It was very exciting to watch. I think we should remember that although Klitschko is 41, he was seriously well prepared, conditioned and focused for this fight. His brother said he'd never seen him as focused for a fight. Joshua and camp will have learnt a hell of a lot from this.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: divinewind on April 30, 2017, 11:10:47 AM
Until Joshua copped him i had Klitchco ahead on points.
Joshua's test will come when he meets a younger fighter with the skill of a boxer.
But, as the saying goes, you can only fight what is put in front of you, and last night he came through with flying colours.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 30, 2017, 12:32:35 PM
Great fight, well done AJ
He probably learned more in that fight last night than in his previous 18.

Exactly. Tyson Fury has been very clever with his pre-fight wind ups and is likely to get a shot and a big pay day against AJ thats of course if he gets  his license back.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on April 30, 2017, 12:38:17 PM
Exactly. Tyson Fury has been very clever with his pre-fight wind ups and is likely to get a shot and a big pay day against AJ thats of course if he gets  his license back.

Courtesy of the BBC:

"Tyson Fury has accepted the challenge issued by world heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua following the Londoner's title victory over Wladimir Klitschko."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/39760689 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/39760689)

Pretty sure initial negotiations will begin prior to his boxing license being renewed.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smosher34 on April 30, 2017, 01:01:48 PM
Good fight Joshua in the 5th round was gone knocked down out of breath managed to hang in there for next few rounds then won . Good job Klitschko is past his best or would of won that fight . Let's hope he has learned a lot from. That fight but real deal no chance .
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 03:04:52 PM
Good fight Joshua in the 5th round was gone knocked down out of breath managed to hang in there for next few rounds then won . Good job Klitschko is past his best or would of won that fight . Let's hope he has learned a lot from. That fight but real deal no chance .

He wasn't knocked down in the 5th, it was the 6th.... he knocked klitschko down in the 5th.

He knocked out a guy who hasn't been knocked out in about 13 yesrs... what would you call the 'real deal'?

Up til klitschko caught Joshua in the 6th, AJ was in complete control... Gassed himself out going for the knockout in the  5th and NEARLY got caught out... he then took quite a few good shots from a guy who ruled the heavyweight division for the past decade... then came back to knock him out.

What more does the guy have to do?

Not the finished product yet, but I can't see anyone stopping him anytime soon... especially wilder who has knocked out a bunch of nobodies and never been in the ring with someone like joshua.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on April 30, 2017, 03:13:09 PM
He wasn't knocked down in the 5th, it was the 6th.... he knocked klitschko down in the 5th.

He knocked out a guy who hasn't been knocked out in about 13 yesrs... what would you call the 'real deal'?

Up til klitschko caught Joshua in the 6th, AJ was in complete control... Gassed himself out going for the knockout in the  5th and NEARLY got caught out... he then took quite a few good shots from a guy who ruled the heavyweight division for the past decade... then came back to knock him out.

What more does the guy have to do?

Not the finished product yet, but I can't see anyone stopping him anytime soon... especially wilder who has knocked out a bunch of nobodies and never been in the ring with someone like joshua.
same can be said about joshua until last night.knocked over a bunch of nobodys and just about out energied a 41 year old ex great world heavyweight champion JUST
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Dan on April 30, 2017, 03:21:36 PM
same can be said about joshua until last night.knocked over a bunch of nobodys and just about out energied a 41 year old ex great world heavyweight champion JUST

This thread is full of people who've doubted Joshua every step of the way. Funnily enough the goalposts move with every fight.

A lot of people let their dislike of the fact that Joshua is clearly packaged as an easy to sell fighter cloud their judgement on the fact he's actually rather good. Go back a year and most the people on here thought David Haye would beat him.

But there's long being a theme in England of people hating other English peoples success, we're a fairly unique country that way.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 03:23:02 PM
same can be said about joshua until last night.knocked over a bunch of nobodys and just about out energied a 41 year old ex great world heavyweight champion JUST

You can only beat what's infront of you... wilder has had how many more fights than Joshua and is still yet to fight anyone good, why is that if he's actually any good?

Age is nothing, even his own brother said he has never saw him so ready, prepared and focused for a fight as he was last night.

Joshua was also carrying a lot more weight than klitschko was, which takes alot of energy out of you.

You can make as many excuses as you like but you can't deny Joshuas talent and what he achieved last night.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smosher34 on April 30, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
Mate i am glad he won but ok 6th round then but to take 2 rounds to get his breath back after a few punches thrown and should have finished Klitschko there and then . I didn't say he is the real deal he ain't far from it the real deal was Tyson in his prime
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on April 30, 2017, 05:58:12 PM
Mate i am glad he won but ok 6th round then but to take 2 rounds to get his breath back after a few punches thrown and should have finished Klitschko there and then . I didn't say he is the real deal he ain't far from it the real deal was Tyson in his prime

Not that I know you personally, but I take it you've never been in a boxing ring?

To get your breath back during a fight at all takes alot, trust me... so for him to do that whilst he has someone who punches as quick and hard as klitschko trying to knock him out, 'hugging' him whenever he tries to punch back along with the experience klitschko has... Just shows that Joshua can compete with the best in the division and I genuinely don't think anyone ATM will test him like last night.

I thought it was all over during the 6th and 7th rounds for him, but for him to come back and win the way he did... There is no questioning his ability nor should there be any doubts if people know what they are talking about imo.

I agree though tyson was the real deal, that guy was an animal and it's hard to believe anyone will ever compare to him... But tyson was the best and the real deal of his time, as for the present and what's out there at this moment in time, it's only a matter of time until Joshua silences all his doubters
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 07:17:00 PM
There are a lot of fighters who stayed at the top level for a long time who were the real deal. Lewis being one of them, Klitschko another.
Both Lewis and Klitschko took on a slightly more cautious style after some early defeats ...both under Manny Steward.
I can't see Joshua doing the same in terms of style. I think we are going to see some exciting fights - he'll win most but lose some - could be a roller coaster but he's already brought excitement back to the heavyweight division.

Joshua won an Olympic gold despite being relatively inexperienced and he's beaten Klitschko. He should improve further in the next couple of years and will go on filling venues and getting big pay to view ratings.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on April 30, 2017, 07:23:25 PM
does anyone else agree with the judges scorecard from last night, just read the BBC report and two had Joshua in front before the referee stopped the fight. i had him losing at that point.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 07:26:02 PM
does anyone else agree with the judges scorecard from last night, just read the BBC report and two had Joshua in front before the referee stopped the fight. i had him losing at that point.
Yes I thought he was behind and it sounds like most of the television crews had him behind....glad it became irrelevant.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on April 30, 2017, 07:51:23 PM
Yes I thought he was behind and it sounds like most of the television crews had him behind....glad it became irrelevant.
just shows how we view things, one judge had it 96-93 and another 95-93 in joshuas favour and like you say I don't recall any of the media or commentators having Joshua in front by the 11th round and some of those were ex pro boxers themselves.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: NathWBA on April 30, 2017, 07:57:21 PM
Missed the game yesterday to go and have to say it's by far the greatest sporting event I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smosher34 on April 30, 2017, 08:55:44 PM
Nope never been inside a boxing ring and don't intend to . Just my views from watching on TV . Well missing game yesterday you don't miss alot  ;) would Fury put up a better fight can't see it it that's Joshua's next bout
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 09:18:27 PM
Missed the game yesterday to go and have to say it's by far the greatest sporting event I've ever seen.
Good move and lucky man
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on April 30, 2017, 09:20:06 PM
I honestly can't see Fury stepping foot in the ring with Joshua. Fury won't get his fitness levels up.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 30, 2017, 09:24:23 PM
I honestly can't see Fury stepping foot in the ring with Joshua. Fury won't get his fitness levels up.
That's what Steve Bunce said this morning - 'Fury has to get his mind right and lose about 6 stone which is asking a lot'.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheBrom on May 02, 2017, 10:16:19 PM
Anyone watch the road to klitschko on iplayer? Very good
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 03, 2017, 12:01:41 AM
just shows how we view things, one judge had it 96-93 and another 95-93 in joshuas favour and like you say I don't recall any of the media or commentators having Joshua in front by the 11th round and some of those were ex pro boxers themselves.

yes I thought Klitschko had shaded it. Fantastic experience for Joshua - he'll only get better.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on June 11, 2017, 11:04:02 PM
RIP Errol Christie,an amazing talent back in his prime and strange how his brother had the better sucsess even though being inferior to his brother
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 12, 2017, 12:00:50 PM
RIP Errol Christie,an amazing talent back in his prime and strange how his brother had the better sucsess even though being inferior to his brother
Indeed he was very talented and classy to watch. He was one of those fighters whose durability let him down a bit when he went up in level if I remember rightly. RIP
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on June 15, 2017, 10:14:57 AM
So its on then, Mayweather v McGregor, what a miss match thatl be with McGregor only allowed to use his fists and boxing skills.and to think some folks will pay the box office price for it
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on June 15, 2017, 10:48:16 AM
Shame this overhyped pointless missmatch will go ahead

Will completely distract from actual boxing. A shame really.

Will I still watch it??... Ye probably  :P
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 15, 2017, 11:23:16 AM
It's a bit of a freak fight really. If boxing was a sensibly run sport McGregor would have to have 3 or 4 fights first. Won't bother watching it personally.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on July 02, 2017, 12:18:44 AM
Ricky Summers put up a brave fight tonight but lost on points,started off way to defensive and back footed imo,but well done
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 02, 2017, 05:03:38 PM
Anyone see the Pacquaio fight?. Sounds like he got robbed.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on July 03, 2017, 12:41:26 AM
Anyone see the Pacquaio fight?. Sounds like he got robbed.

Horn certainly was in the lead by points after the 8th Round. Pacquaio did rock him in the 9th and I thought that Horn would go down but did not.  Pacquaio did pick up points in the last few rounds but I think that Horn did enough to win in the end.  But Certainly thought the points would of been closer than the judges marked down.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: swad35 on July 03, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Agree with this, much closer then the points show. Horn deserved the win in my opinion though.....going to be one hell of a rematch.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on July 03, 2017, 10:20:08 AM
Tyson Fury is making himself look like an utter dickhead on Twitter with his lack of respect towards a legend like Lennox Lewis.

https://twitter.com/Tyson_Fury

Hope David Haye beats him in February.

Would love to see Fury in the ring with Joshua. AJ would shut him up for once and for all.......
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2017, 04:24:46 PM
Whats this mayweather fight coming up all about
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: ronnie_allen on August 02, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
Whats this mayweather fight coming up all about

$$$$$$
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 02, 2017, 04:39:12 PM
Forget about the Mayweather circus.

Want a proper fight just wait two weeks later for Canelo vs Golovkin .

Going to be immense
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 02, 2017, 05:16:57 PM
Forget about the Mayweather circus.

Want a proper fight
just wait two weeks later for Canelo vs Golovkin .

Going to be immense

Shouldn't have too long to wait.

Tommy Langford's supposed to be organising a charity boxing match between him and Blind Dave Heeley to help raise more funds for little Tommy Brown.

Just needs TL to wear a blind fold to make it more interesting than Mayweather v McGregor  ;) .
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 08:53:46 AM
This fight in Vegas tomorrow, what a con
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on August 25, 2017, 08:58:03 AM
Forget about the Mayweather circus.

Want a proper fight just wait two weeks later for Canelo vs Golovkin .

Going to be immense

That's a proper fight - can't call that one!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Baggies on August 25, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
For ages I felt Golovkin would beat Canelo, then the Jacobs fight happened and I became a lot less confident.

I hope GGG takes it but I have started to doubt him and feel ahe is becoming a bigger factor.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 25, 2017, 11:58:24 AM
Whats this mayweather fight coming up all about

Mayweather retired. He then didn't file $22.5m in taxes from 2015. He spends $3,000 a week on haircuts. He has no hair. He's skint.

This fight is PURELY to make Mayweather money to pay the Tax Man. Any faux animosity between the two is for show and McGregor, when he loses can return to UFC where he can still dominate with $$$ in his bank account and any teasing he receives for losing this fight he can mouth off and talk his way out of.

Part of me wants Conor to win purely because of the two arseholes, Mayweather is significantly worse. That and he has a tattoo of a Gorilla wearing a crown eating a human heart on his chest.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kie the baggie on August 26, 2017, 08:01:17 PM
Mayweather retired. He then didn't file $22.5m in taxes from 2015. He spends $3,000 a week on haircuts. He has no hair. He's skint.

This fight is PURELY to make Mayweather money to pay the Tax Man. Any faux animosity between the two is for show and McGregor, when he loses can return to UFC where he can still dominate with $$$ in his bank account and any teasing he receives for losing this fight he can mouth off and talk his way out of.

Part of me wants Conor to win purely because of the two arseholes, Mayweather is significantly worse. That and he has a tattoo of a Gorilla wearing a crown eating a human heart on his chest.
wouldn't surprise me if its fixed one way or another to get a rematch out of it. all gone a little WWE to me
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Legend on August 26, 2017, 08:21:51 PM
Paulie Malignaggi will interfere and hit Mayweather with a steel chair.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: lewisant on August 27, 2017, 04:56:59 AM
Who's up then?!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: mattadon on August 27, 2017, 05:32:37 AM
In a French hotel anyone got a link please?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 27, 2017, 05:47:14 AM
I'm sitting in a bar in Lake County Florida. It serves Tennants. :D. Nobody cares about the circus. I just want to hear a result from someone off here.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on August 27, 2017, 06:29:00 AM
McGregor won the 1st two rounds as Mayweather worked him out.
Mayweather stopping him in the 10th with the ref jumping in to save Conor who was absolutely spent by then.

It was easy for Floyd all through the fight, McGregor was probably 1 and a half stone heavier but his punches had little effect.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 27, 2017, 07:29:55 AM
McGregor won the 1st two rounds as Mayweather worked him out.
Mayweather stopping him in the 10th with the ref jumping in to save Conor who was absolutely spent by then.

It was easy for Floyd all through the fight, McGregor was probably 1 and a half stone heavier but his punches had little effect.
Cheers for the info.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 27, 2017, 09:04:01 AM
Was a ridiculously one sided fight. Waste of staying up til 6am and spending £20 on. McGregor was totally out of his depth in terms of the sport, he was sat blowing at the end of the second round. At which point the writing was on the wall.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: leeiswba on August 27, 2017, 09:15:09 AM
Was a ridiculously one sided fight. Waste of staying up til 6am and spending £20 on. McGregor was totally out of his depth in terms of the sport, he was sat blowing at the end of the second round. At which point the writing was on the wall.

Was anything else expected when the greatest boxer there has been in my lifetime fights a non boxer
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 27, 2017, 09:44:38 AM
Was anything else expected when the greatest boxer there has been in my lifetime fights a non boxer

Expected his conditioning and gameplan to be better than be spent after two rounds.

In terms of greatest fighters the winner of Rigondeaux v Lomachenko could argue their case of being the best of a lifetime. Neither have the professional plaudits of Mayweather but in terms of amateur records they're undeniable two of the best ever. For me if Rigondeaux wins he's the best to have boxed in the last 18 years as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: PsalmXXIII on August 27, 2017, 10:35:01 AM
Was a ridiculously one sided fight. Waste of staying up til 6am and spending £20 on. McGregor was totally out of his depth in terms of the sport, he was sat blowing at the end of the second round. At which point the writing was on the wall.

And it'd be the complete opposite the other way round - Conor would kill him in an MMA ring. They put on an exhibition, got loaded for it and was always going to be a win win for both men.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 27, 2017, 11:28:19 AM
And it'd be the complete opposite the other way round - Conor would kill him in an MMA ring. They put on an exhibition, got loaded for it and was always going to be a win win for both men.

Missing my point though. McGregor was competitive for 2 rounds and then was quite simply exerted. I certainly expected a lot more from him than that.

Any boxer stepping into the octagon would struggle given how tougher it is technically and how broader the skillsets are.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on August 27, 2017, 11:48:52 AM
Missing my point though. McGregor was competitive for 2 rounds and then was quite simply exerted. I certainly expected a lot more from him than that.

Any boxer stepping into the octagon would struggle given how tougher it is technically and how broader the skillsets are.


Did you really? A man who who isn't a boxer taking on a boxing great?

Seriously?

As another member posted Mayweather would have no chance against McGregor in UFC, what on earth made anyone think McGregor had any chance against Mayweather in boxing?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on August 27, 2017, 11:54:28 AM
Glad the WWE like circus is over so can now concentrate on the exciting actual fights to come.

Disapointing though that it sounds like a lot of people found it entertaining. Was hoping it would be a car crash to enable something similar never occurring in the future
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 27, 2017, 12:28:30 PM

Did you really? A man who who isn't a boxer taking on a boxing great?

Seriously?

As another member posted Mayweather would have no chance against McGregor in UFC, what on earth made anyone think McGregor had any chance against Mayweather in boxing?

Did I think he could condition himself where he could perform for closer to 12 rounds than 2? I most certainly did.

Mayweather allowed him to be competitive for the first two minutes I appreciate that. He quite simply sat back. We have never seen Mayweather come out of his shell so early and take the risks he did and that was because McGregor had lost his 'punchers chance' after blowing out after 360 seconds.

That's what I was so disappointed with.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2017, 01:31:10 PM
Did I think he could condition himself where he could perform for closer to 12 rounds than 2? I most certainly did.

Mayweather allowed him to be competitive for the first two minutes I appreciate that. He quite simply sat back. We have never seen Mayweather come out of his shell so early and take the risks he did and that was because McGregor had lost his 'punchers chance' after blowing out after 360 seconds.

That's what I was so disappointed with.


The problem being his "punchers chance" was a myth.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 27, 2017, 05:04:55 PM
Have not even seen the 'Fight' or the highlights but was anyone surprised by the outcome?. Mayweather took his time and let McGregor punch himself out.
Made a mockery of Boxing in my opinion but Mayweather and McGregor won't be to worried about criticism when their Paycheck's hit the mat.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2017, 05:09:21 PM
Have not even seen the 'Fight' or the highlights but was anyone surprised by the outcome?. Mayweather took his time and let McGregor punch himself out.
Made a mockery of Boxing in my opinion but Mayweather and McGregor won't be to worried about criticism when their Paycheck's hit the mat.


It was an exhibition fight which Floyd was always going to orchestrate. A fine line between taking it too easy and not spoiling it for the fans by just destroying him in the first few rounds... Mayweather wasn't remotely troubled and 'allowed' McGregor to win the first 2 rounds. Then boxed well within himself before putting it to bed once the fans had their money's worth.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 27, 2017, 05:31:46 PM

The problem being his "punchers chance" was a myth.

How do work that one out? 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on August 27, 2017, 05:38:25 PM
McGregor's punching ability was always an unknown anyway given the difference in the 'gloves' worn in boxing and MMA.

Mayweather has always been about taking his time and waiting for the openings...not the type to wade in and destroy someone.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 27, 2017, 05:56:15 PM
How do work that one out?


There are lads up and down the country in boxing gyms with big right hands.


He was trying to throw his at arguably the greatest defensive boxer of all time. He had no chance of landing a big bomb. Zero. The fight was sold on the myth McGregor might had been able to catch Mayweather with a big shot when in reality he would only get as close to Mayweathers chin as he was allowed to.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 28, 2017, 06:59:47 PM

There are lads up and down the country in boxing gyms with big right hands.


He was trying to throw his at arguably the greatest defensive boxer of all time. He had no chance of landing a big bomb. Zero. The fight was sold on the myth McGregor might had been able to catch Mayweather with a big shot when in reality he would only get as close to Mayweathers chin as he was allowed to.

Did you not see his albeit very awkward uppercut connect? He got through with a shot that most don't. The punchers chance was there, it wasn't taken.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on August 28, 2017, 08:45:25 PM
McGregor connecting with anything at only confirmed that Mayweather really is over the hill and wouldn't last too long with any of the current champions or decent contenders, but I'm not critising him, he's played the game to perfection all through his career but time has caught up.
Apparently McG caught Mayweather with more punches than Pacquiao did. Surely that proves that it's time to pack up as well as showing Mayweather had no respect for the punching of McGregor.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 28, 2017, 08:49:09 PM
McGregor connecting with anything at only confirmed that Mayweather really is over the hill and wouldn't last too long with any of the current champions or decent contenders, but I'm not critising him, he's played the game to perfection all through his career but time has caught up.
Apparently McG caught Mayweather with more punches than Pacquiao did. Surely that proves that it's time to pack up as well as showing Mayweather had no respect for the punching of McGregor.

In fairness most of the shots that connected rounds 4 onwards my granddad would have walked through.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbarenno on August 28, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
In fairness most of the shots that connected rounds 4 onwards my granddad would have walked through.

They weren't knock out punches 100%, I totally agree with you but the power of the punch has nothing to do with this stat. The facts are mcgregor connected no matter how hard more then most boxers have fighting mayweather. Most boxers couldn't touch him never mind hit him with a soft punch. Think your missing the point of the stat.

Ricky Hatton only hit mayweather 66 times to mcgregors 111. Cotto ,Mosley , Marquez and Ortiz all come way below mcgregor. Even canelo only contected  6 more times.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2017/8/27/16210524/conor-mcgregor-landed-more-punches-on-floyd-mayweather-than-pacquiao-boxing-mma-results-stats-news

Mcgregor deserves a lot of credit for his performance and let's face it floyd would never enter mcgregors world in mma
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 28, 2017, 09:40:44 PM
They weren't knock out punches 100%, I totally agree with you but the power of the punch has nothing to do with this stat. The facts are mcgregor connected no matter how hard more then most boxers have fighting mayweather. Most boxers couldn't touch him never mind hit him with a soft punch. Think your missing the point of the stat.

Ricky Hatton only hit mayweather 66 times to mcgregors 111. Cotto ,Mosley , Marquez and Ortiz all come way below mcgregor. Even canelo only contected  6 more times.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2017/8/27/16210524/conor-mcgregor-landed-more-punches-on-floyd-mayweather-than-pacquiao-boxing-mma-results-stats-news

Mcgregor deserves a lot of credit for his performance and let's face it floyd would never enter mcgregors world in mma

Age, tactics all played their part. Mayweather opened up earlier than ever. Flip the coin He threw 59 jabs v McGregor v compared to 267 v Pacqauio. He threw 330 v Canelo. You're going to get hit when you open up.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on August 28, 2017, 10:00:17 PM
Surely McGregor connected as many times as he did for two reasons, Mayweathers faded reflexes and a lack of respect for his opponents ability.
He's a good jack of all trades but would he be able to beat another specialist like a wrestling champ or Jujitsu champ?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on August 28, 2017, 10:04:11 PM
Surely McGregor connected as many times as he did for two reasons, Mayweathers faded reflexes and a lack of respect for his opponents ability.
He's a good jack of all trades but would he be able to beat another specialist like a wrestling champ or Jujitsu champ?
let's bring Royce Gracie out of retirement and find out!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2017, 05:12:33 PM
expect an invoice sky customers

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxing/bad-news-for-illegal-streamers-of-mayweather-vs-mcgregor-due-to-mysterious-watermarks-hidden-in-footage/ar-AAqVolT?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=ientp
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbarenno on August 30, 2017, 01:28:28 PM
let's bring Royce Gracie out of retirement and find out!

 ;D ;D class . I reckon bellator would be all over that
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WoysWunderful on August 30, 2017, 02:01:25 PM
;D ;D class . I reckon bellator would be all over that

Bring back the glory days of pancrase, would love to watch people like minoru suzuki and masakatsu funaki have it out with current UFC stars.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbarenno on August 31, 2017, 09:06:25 PM
Bring back the glory days of pancrase, would love to watch people like minoru suzuki and masakatsu funaki have it out with current UFC stars.

All about pride and those soccer kicks for me  :D

Back onto mayweather mcgrego. They reckon it's done 6.5 million buys  :o that's ridiculous mayweather Pacquiao did 5.5 million. Don't think there will be a fight that tops it for a long long time. Maybe not ever
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 16, 2017, 09:54:26 PM
Anyone else staying up for Golovkin v Alvarez?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: lewisant on September 17, 2017, 09:21:27 PM
Anyone else staying up for Golovkin v Alvarez?

Corrupt!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 17, 2017, 10:19:05 PM
Corrupt!

What a joke!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on September 19, 2017, 09:03:47 AM
Rio Ferdinand to take up boxing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: costa blanca baggie on September 19, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Rio Ferdinand to take up boxing.
Who's he fighting? Please let it be Stan Collymore. ☺️
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on September 20, 2017, 08:31:53 AM
Who's he fighting? Please let it be Stan Collymore. ☺️

Collymore wouldn't fight Rio he's the wrong gender for him.

On a serious note Rio is 38 years old, this isn't the kind of sport someone that age should be getting involved in with no prior experience.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 20, 2017, 04:01:13 PM
Sad News :(

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4903234/Boxing-legend-Jake-LaMotta-died-aged-95.html
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 23, 2017, 11:09:34 PM
Watching the Parker fury fight currently round 5,only one fighter trying to win it and that's parker
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 23, 2017, 11:45:44 PM
Parker for me deserved the decision, best I can say for fury is he's got a decent chin and if nothing else he's a slippery fcer
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 21, 2017, 08:18:20 PM
what time is tommy fighting
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on October 22, 2017, 08:19:59 PM
Warrington v Selby will be one of the fights of next year!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 28, 2017, 12:41:10 PM
AJ tonight,blink and youll miss it,a farce of a match and a testament to how poor the HW division is
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 06:39:14 PM
What time is AJ due on
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 28, 2017, 07:07:31 PM
What time is AJ due on

scheduled for 10:15 depending on if the other fights go the distance etc.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 28, 2017, 07:08:37 PM
AJ tonight,blink and youll miss it,a farce of a match and a testament to how poor the HW division is

Not really a farce, takam is an harder opponent than pulev would of been due to his style etc.... do agree the division is poor though!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 10:06:54 PM
any decent streams for AJ fight
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 10:17:07 PM
any decent streams for AJ fight


Showtime West on Mobdro is very high quality.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 28, 2017, 10:33:00 PM
Cheers
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2017, 10:41:35 PM
I bet that headbutt hurt AJS nose.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 28, 2017, 11:15:42 PM
Premature stoppage that.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2017, 11:16:05 PM
ref stopped that too soon for me,
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on October 28, 2017, 11:20:31 PM
Premature stoppage that.
Takam wasn't in any trouble at all from that flurry, most punches were just glances, could've been an interesting finish it looked like Joshua was blowing a bit
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 28, 2017, 11:30:27 PM
Was the ref on Joshua's wage bill? Disgraceful stoppage by the ref,Joshua is no 12 round fighter and wilder will take his head off,way overated one trick pony
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 28, 2017, 11:34:13 PM
Was the ref on Joshua's wage bill? Disgraceful stoppage by the ref,Joshua is no 12 round fighter and wilder will take his head off,way overated one trick pony
but he's winning fights down the stretch which you never thought he was capable of, so maybe not so one trick  ....no heavyweight champion looks good all the time.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheBrom on October 28, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
Think that was a decent fight in the end. Can argue about the stoppage, but I think it was always going to end one way from there and the ref has done his job to protect. I think a less high profile fight and that gets stopped after the first doctor check after the cut to be honest
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 29, 2017, 12:17:41 AM
but he's winning fights down the stretch which you never thought he was capable of, so maybe not so one trick  ....no heavyweight champion looks good all the time.
hes a very lucky boy to be around in such a very poor era for the HW division.little better than Bruno for me,i mean come on he was blowing like an old donkey 6 onwards
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheBrom on October 29, 2017, 12:19:37 AM
hes a very lucky boy to be around in such a very poor era for the HW division.little better than Bruno for me,i mean come on he was blowing like an old donkey 6 onwards

To be fair to him though, he's raised the interest and profile of boxing again which is always a good thing. And he can only fight what's there for him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 29, 2017, 12:54:26 AM
health and safety overrules everything.

takams eyes were rolling, the ref could clearly see he was in trouble.

Good call by the ref, would of been worse if he left it and it ended up a similar Eubank/blackwell situation.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on October 29, 2017, 12:58:08 AM
AJ would have put him down in that round but the ref still went early.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 29, 2017, 01:06:00 AM
AJ would have put him down in that round but the ref still went early.

Takams eyes were rolling and legs were going... that's more than enough to stop a fight.

The ref asked way before that if the doctor wanted the fight stopped and he said no, any longer it could of been real dangerous for a human who don't know where he is, especially with the power AJ has.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on October 29, 2017, 07:02:04 AM
Takams eyes were rolling and legs were going... that's more than enough to stop a fight.

The ref asked way before that if the doctor wanted the fight stopped and he said no, any longer it could of been real dangerous for a human who don't know where he is, especially with the power AJ has.
didn't think the doctor can stop a fight, WBC rules are that the doctor gives the ref a red card advising him that the fight should be stopped but its still the refs decision.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2017, 09:24:17 AM
Takams eyes were rolling and legs were going... that's more than enough to stop a fight.

The ref asked way before that if the doctor wanted the fight stopped and he said no, any longer it could of been real dangerous for a human who don't know where he is, especially with the power AJ has.
Fully agree - none of Joshua's punches are light. Takam was busted up, had taken a lot of heavy punches and I doubt his family want him to be a cabbage in his later years.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on October 29, 2017, 09:29:47 AM
hes a very lucky boy to be around in such a very poor era for the HW division.little better than Bruno for me,i mean come on he was blowing like an old donkey 6 onwards
Klitschko would have been a top heavyweight in any era. Joshua had a broken nose last night......did heavyweights in the golden era never blow in the later rounds ?

As for Joshua being a one trick pony - he jabs well, he's got straight punches, hooks, upper cuts...do you want the odd back flip thrown in ?
He will lose a couple along the way but he's still learning and would be a handful for anyone.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on October 29, 2017, 10:28:02 AM
Klitschko would have been a top heavyweight in any era. Joshua had a broken nose last night......did heavyweights in the golden era never blow in the later rounds ?

As for Joshua being a one trick pony - he jabs well, he's got straight punches, hooks, upper cuts...do you want the odd back flip thrown in ?
He will lose a couple along the way but he's still learning and would be a handful for anyone.
Love to see hearn and AJ have the balls to go to the states and take on someone like jarell miller but they wont
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on October 29, 2017, 07:09:08 PM
didn't think the doctor can stop a fight, WBC rules are that the doctor gives the ref a red card advising him that the fight should be stopped but its still the refs decision.

The referee will always go to the doctor if he is concerned regardless if it's a pro fight, amateur or even a white collar fight.

If the doctor says the fghter isn't able to carry on, the ref will stop it every time.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on November 02, 2017, 10:20:46 AM
Fury and Joshua being mentioned again. I would love to see this fight go ahead but I don't think Fury has it him in mentally to get back into shape.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on November 02, 2017, 10:25:41 AM
Fury and Joshua being mentioned again. I would love to see this fight go ahead but I don't think Fury has it him in mentally to get back into shape.

I wouldn't want to see this.

I would be amazed if Fury ever got back into a condition both physically and mentally to be a serious contender again. To me this would be about money and I would prefer to see AJ clean up the division and be the dominant force for years to come - Fury will never feature in that so I don't see why he should be given the chance.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on November 02, 2017, 11:32:44 AM
Fury and Joshua being mentioned again. I would love to see this fight go ahead but I don't think Fury has it him in mentally to get back into shape.

If Fury gets himself into the same shape as when he fought Klitschko he beats Joshua for me. Far superior footwork and technique, although Joshua is improving.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: FallOutBoy on November 02, 2017, 01:14:39 PM
Fury and Joshua being mentioned again. I would love to see this fight go ahead but I don't think Fury has it him in mentally to get back into shape.

I would love to see Joshua knock him out and shut him up.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on November 02, 2017, 01:23:59 PM
I would love to see Joshua knock him out and shut him up.


Joshua wouldn't beat a prime Fury.

Whether or not we'll ever see a prime Fury again I have my doubts.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: collins101 on November 02, 2017, 01:31:54 PM

Joshua wouldn't beat a prime Fury.

Whether or not we'll ever see a prime Fury again I have my doubts.

I think he K.O's him to be fair, Joshua know's Fury would try take him into the later rounds so if he's patient he wins by late stoppage.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on November 02, 2017, 01:54:28 PM
If Fury gets back to his best his very strong defensive style should be strong enough to shut out the gung ho style of AJ, just as he did vs Vlad.

However it's heavy weight boxing and all it would take is one small mistake by Fury and AJ could land the winning clean blow on him.

All that being said I think the chance of Fury getting back anywhere near his best is basically zero now.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 04, 2017, 11:30:49 PM
Joshua has to fight Fury. If he doesn't there will always be that 'what if' and he himself will see whatever record he finishes with as potentially blemished.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on November 05, 2017, 12:07:56 AM
Joshua has to fight Fury. If he doesn't there will always be that 'what if' and he himself will see whatever record he finishes with as potentially blemished.
wont happen as fury has to get both mentally and physically fit first,but if he did id back him over Bruno 2 and that for me is what AJ is
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2017, 12:10:55 AM
Joshua is improving all the time. A fit Fury would give him something to think about as he's clearly a technically better boxer currently. The only 2 endings to that fight would be AJ by knockout or Fury on points.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on November 05, 2017, 09:17:00 AM
Wilder nearly threw the ref over his shoulder ;)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on November 05, 2017, 09:47:47 AM
Really hope we get to see a trilogy between Wilder, Fury and AJ.

Hearn reckons AJ needs a couple more fights before matching up with Wilder The American is possibly at his peak right now and as average as his boxing skills are he has the raw power to punch straight through his opponents guard, he would swarm AJ if and when he tagged him and wouldn't miss the opportunity to finish the job like Klitch did.
A fit Fury v Wilder would be fascinating.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 07, 2017, 12:50:07 PM
It's interesting reading regarding Wilder's power, I think people are doing Joshua a disservice. As soon as Joshua has ever opened up in a fight he has blown his opponent out of the water. Hope this happens sooner rather than later as it would be what a Heavyweight clash should be, raw power.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on November 08, 2017, 09:16:00 AM
I get the impression its Hearn who has doubts over AJs ability to survive a war with Wilder and is keen for Wilder to have more fights hoping that someone dethrones him. Its reported that Hearn has offered Wilder £4M to fight Whyte, he only got £1.5M to defend his title last weekend.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 08, 2017, 08:35:41 PM
I think Joshua probably has more improvement in him over the next 12 months than Wilder given the ages and number of fights, so it would make sense to get a couple more fights in first. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 20, 2017, 03:45:32 PM
Haye v Bellew is off
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 20, 2017, 03:56:17 PM
Haye v Bellew is off

Time for Haye to call it a day!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheBrom on November 20, 2017, 07:07:48 PM
How do you injure a bicep?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on December 17, 2017, 08:01:38 AM
Did anyone watch Billy Joe Saunders vs David Lemieux? Saunders was absolutely brilliant. He looked like Tyson Fury at his peak, the skill, the movement, the speed, the art of not getting hit.

Golovkin or Canelo are in big trouble against Saunders if he reproduces that level of performance. His switch to trainer Dominic Ingle looks like it's finally brought out that talent that was always there.

The problem with Saunders is much like Fury though - at any time they can lose interest, lose their shape and their dedication.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 19, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
Tyson Fury gets his licence back
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on February 09, 2018, 01:53:36 PM
Groves V Eubank Jr
What's peoples thoughts?
I cant make my mind up with this one, Eubanks phenomenal work rate or Groves size, power and boxing ability although possibly past his best?
Should be a good fight.


Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on February 09, 2018, 02:03:09 PM
Groves V Eubank Jr
What's peoples thoughts?
I cant make my mind up with this one, Eubanks phenomenal work rate or Groves size, power and boxing ability although possibly past his best?
Should be a good fight.


Past his best? How? Why? I think he's in his peak right now.

On the fight, don't know real 50 / 50 for me.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on February 09, 2018, 02:13:23 PM

Past his best? How? Why? I think he's in his peak right now.

On the fight, don't know real 50 / 50 for me.
That's why I slipped the word possibly into my sentence, he's got a few more miles on the clock than Jr and also got KO"d a couple of times albeit by the world class Froch so his chin has been proven to be less than granite.
I'm not particularly a fan of Jr but if his chin is made of the same stuff as his old man and he can survive the inevitable chin check from GG then he might hustle his way to a points win.
But it seems the type of fight where all scenarios are possible
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on February 09, 2018, 04:05:16 PM
That's why I slipped the word possibly into my sentence, he's got a few more miles on the clock than Jr and also got KO"d a couple of times albeit by the world class Froch so his chin has been proven to be less than granite.
I'm not particularly a fan of Jr but if his chin is made of the same stuff as his old man and he can survive the inevitable chin check from GG then he might hustle his way to a points win.
But it seems the type of fight where all scenarios are possible

If I was having a bet i would go for Groves. Experience will out!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 09, 2018, 04:07:04 PM
Not forgetting our Tommy on the same bill
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on February 09, 2018, 05:35:06 PM
If I was having a bet i would go for Groves. Experience will out!
I hope you're right, as I say im not a fan of Junior but my gut instinct is that he wins. Their tactics will be interesting.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 09, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
Hope Eubank Jr sparks him early. Absolutely detest Groves  >:(

Eubank wanted Groves and I think he'll do him. Don't think Groves will come across at all bigger than him at the weigh-in either.

Whoever wins is getting done by Smith in any case. Now that IS size.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on February 14, 2018, 12:39:18 PM
Looking forward to this fight.

I see a cagey start by both but Eubank will take over in the 2nd half of the fight and his sheer workrate, hand speed and combinations will ultimately break down Groves.

I'm going for referee stops the fight in the 9th.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on February 14, 2018, 04:34:49 PM
Im in the Groves camp myself

Cant stand Eubank either but thats not why I think Groves will win, I simply think he is a proper super middleweight with a fantastic jab and good power

Eubank is a cracking fighter but think the experience of Groves having fought much better fighters and beating much better fighters will see him win

Im off to the AJ fight end of March so looking forward to that
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on February 14, 2018, 04:53:06 PM
Groves has the experience but i believe his chin will let him down. What actually pisses me of is Eubank Sr.
Always has to be the centre of attention.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2018, 06:07:19 PM
What channel is the fight on tonight. Come on our tommy cheers us all up
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on February 17, 2018, 06:12:03 PM
What channel is the fight on tonight. Come on our tommy cheers us all up
ITV Box Office I believe

£16.95

Ill find a stream somewhere
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2018, 06:37:02 PM
Just registered and purchased channel 493 on your sky box
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 17, 2018, 08:53:34 PM
Been on the phone to itv for an hour, paid twice but naff all on the screen. Most likely missed tommys fight >:(
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on February 17, 2018, 11:16:30 PM
Absolutely schooled Eubank there



Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on February 17, 2018, 11:18:43 PM
Groves different level to Eubank. I thought it'd be a lot closer than that.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on February 17, 2018, 11:24:11 PM
Said all along groves too big and powerful for jnr,proven to be right
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on February 18, 2018, 10:12:31 AM
Said all along groves too big and powerful for jnr,proven to be right

Too big, too powerful, too experienced

at 29 id expect Eubank to be at a better level than what I saw, he simply hasnt fought enough top class fighters to have the swagger he has

he needs about 3 or 4 top fights to learn how to fight at that level
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on February 18, 2018, 11:28:34 AM
Too big, too powerful, too experienced

at 29 id expect Eubank to be at a better level than what I saw, he simply hasnt fought enough top class fighters to have the swagger he has

he needs about 3 or 4 top fights to learn how to fight at that level
He also needs to jettison his dear old pa and employ a proper top class trainer
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on February 18, 2018, 12:02:55 PM
Hopefully Jr will see sense and tell his old man to do one!. Has the talent but he has now lost 2 of his biggest fights.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 19, 2018, 10:34:30 AM
Groves performance was exceptional. Eubank's was awful. A classic 'Was Groves that good or was Eubank that bad?' Eubank was simply turned over. The last 30 seconds though  :o

Will be interesting to see how Groves copes (if he fights) against Smith (Who I'll assume will win). Smith will be the biggest fighter he's ever fought. Crippling body shots, I love Smith and think he'll make one hell of a statement.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 20, 2018, 07:08:38 PM
Eubank was awful. Cant take to Groves, spent 12 rounds running away before tying up. Terrible fight for the punters.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on February 21, 2018, 01:52:26 PM
Groves performance was exceptional. Eubank's was awful. A classic 'Was Groves that good or was Eubank that bad?' Eubank was simply turned over. The last 30 seconds though  :o

Will be interesting to see how Groves copes (if he fights) against Smith (Who I'll assume will win). Smith will be the biggest fighter he's ever fought. Crippling body shots, I love Smith and think he'll make one hell of a statement.


I don't think Groves was that good. I just think Eubank was awful at that level at that weight. Groves just used his brain kept moving away, fought on the back foot and nicked points. Eubank just get coming forward swinging aimlessly. Groves did land flush on Eubank at least twice and Eubank was visibly hurt and stopped right in his tracks but Groves never followed up he chose the safe option instead, particularly given his stamina isn't that great. Mature if unspectacular performance from Groves.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on February 24, 2018, 11:22:10 PM
Groves v Smith it is
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on March 03, 2018, 01:21:00 PM
Wilder V Ortiz tomorrow morning.
Thoughts fight fans?
Wilder weighed in at 15st 4lb seems a bit on the light side to me, I wouldn't be surprised to see him touch the canvass at some stage but still fancy him for the win.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on March 03, 2018, 02:29:11 PM
Wilder V Ortiz tomorrow morning.
Thoughts fight fans?
Wilder weighed in at 15st 4lb seems a bit on the light side to me, I wouldn't be surprised to see him touch the canvass at some stage but still fancy him for the win.
changed my mind about Wilder I now think he is a bumped up fraud with what I think is a fixed fight tonight to get him in the ring with AJ.hope ORTIZ blasts him into oblivion.the only thing he has is a big gob and a bum a month fight record
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on March 04, 2018, 06:47:04 PM
So the fraud Wilder muddled his way to a 10 the round stoppage over a very tired Oritz who in the early stages of the fight outboxed him and nearly finished him in round 7. I'm not AJs biggest fan but he would in my opinion have him on the deck and counted out in double quick time,I hope his next fight as the warm up for the AJ fight is against Dillan Whyte as I'm sure it'll be curtains for him and unfrocked as the fraud he is
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on March 04, 2018, 07:00:55 PM
I'm not entirely convinced with AJ I've got to be honest, and as bad as Wilders boxing skills and technique are, he's always one big right hand away from turning the fight around.
God knows what fight the judges were watching looking at the score cards at the time of the stoppage. All had Wilder ahead 85-84 seems suspect to me.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on March 04, 2018, 07:18:01 PM
Wilder is a wild swinging heavyweight....one big right hand and its KO for anyone but thats true for all in the heavier weight classes of boxing, he also has a long range jab that doesnt seem to trouble too many opponents and he was lucky the bell saved him in the 7th against Ortiz for me

It will be a great fight once AJ disposes of Parker (Ill be there for that one) but AJ will beat him no problem

If AJ catches him and he stumbles AJ will finish him off
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on March 05, 2018, 01:45:52 PM
I wouldn't call Wilder a wild swinging heavyweight. He's is a difficult one to sum up. He certainly doesn't throw the variety of shots that Joshua does but he does have that very fast straight right which his whole game plan seems to rely on. He also has a very long reach which makes it tricky to get to him without taking risks. He won't be in range too often for Joshua's uppercut or hooks.
Could well be a case of who lands the big shot first.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Jordie1471 on March 05, 2018, 02:02:31 PM
I wouldn't call Wilder a wild swinging heavyweight. He's is a difficult one to sum up. He certainly doesn't throw the variety of shots that Joshua does but he does have that very fast straight right which his whole game plan seems to rely on. He also has a very long reach which makes it tricky to get to him without taking risks. He won't be in range too often for Joshua's uppercut or hooks.
Could well be a case of who lands the big shot first.

Wilder is definitely an interesting fighter.

Like Tyson Fury he has a big reach. However, his defence appears to be a lot weaker and sitting behind a jab doesn't seem to be super effective for him.

On the other hand 39 ko's in 40 fights means he clearly has a lethal right hand when he connects.

We have already saw a 41 year old Wlad get through AJ's defences and floor him. There's nothing to suggest Wilder won't find opportunities to land clean too

So I wouldn't be surprised if the fight didn't last past 6 rounds regardless of who wins
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on March 05, 2018, 02:03:11 PM
I was praying for Ortiz to finish him in the 7 th but he got through, and Ortiz allowed him to recover in the 8th. Not a fat lot of skill with Wilder, but a deadly right and a lot of speed. If AJ is going to beat him then he will have to get inside, wilder looked uncomfortable when Ortiz did that. Given all that, wilder is a tough customer
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on March 06, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
Well well looks like Boxing's Golden Boy Canelo Alvarez has failed a drug test!. Bet that wont stop his mega money rematch with GGG going ahead though. One rule for one one rule for another.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/43296154
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on March 06, 2018, 04:38:31 PM
Well well looks like Boxing's Golden Boy Canelo Alvarez has failed a drug test!. Bet that wont stop his mega money rematch with GGG going ahead though. One rule for one one rule for another.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/43296154
Still on as regards latest reports,GGG was robbed anyway last time
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Baggie79 on March 31, 2018, 07:25:35 PM
Anyone got any decent streams for this? All I can find seem to stop after around a minute?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: lewisant on March 31, 2018, 10:50:10 PM
Crickfree.net is ok so far... the one that has stream listed as from 10pm, link 1
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: royhan on March 31, 2018, 11:45:02 PM
Easy win for Joshua on points but it was a very poor fight to watch. I thought we only had poor referees in football but the Italian ref spoilt this fight in many respects by stepping in to separate the fighters every time they got close
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 31, 2018, 11:55:16 PM
Sat behind his jab for 12 rounds so not great to watch. Considering how blown he has been in previous fights that have gone past the 4th he was well conditioned tonight, that said he barely needed to get out of 2nd gear to win.


Referee further out of his depth than HRK.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on April 01, 2018, 12:06:07 AM
I really hope David Price retires after tonight. There is a lot of love for him in the game but he would have been mullered by Parker or Joshua. His physique and style are just wrong. Really feared for him tonight after that knockout.... just pleased he recovered.....
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2018, 11:14:43 AM
I really hope David Price retires after tonight. There is a lot of love for him in the game but he would have been mullered by Parker or Joshua. His physique and style are just wrong. Really feared for him tonight after that knockout.... just pleased he recovered.....
Yeah that was a really sickening knock out. He was gone after the right hand, dropped his hands and then was sitting duck for the left hoof that sent him crashing. Assuming a standing 8 count was available (Povetkin seemed to get one), then the ref should have dived in after that right as Price was not defending himself.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2018, 11:54:32 AM
The big positive for Joshua was that he showed he could stick to a game plan and not get too 'macho' for his own good. Parker needed to gamble a bit more and be prepared to take a few to land his own shots. Both boxers showed a lot of respect for their opponents threats and that, combined with the ref not allowing what close up action there would have been, meant it wasn't a thriller.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Foster#1 on April 01, 2018, 01:40:16 PM
Wilder is next, the bloke will ko Joshua imo
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: divinewind on April 01, 2018, 03:26:41 PM
Parkers guard was way too low, he blocked most of Joshuas shots with his face.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on April 01, 2018, 03:30:16 PM
Wilder is next, the bloke will ko Joshua imo

Not sure he will tbh, he is a one trick pony with a wicked right. Work that out and Joshua will be OK. Ortiz nearly beat Wilder the other week, and Wilder knew it .......
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 01, 2018, 04:11:24 PM
Not sure he will tbh, he is a one trick pony with a wicked right. Work that out and Joshua will be OK. Ortiz nearly beat Wilder the other week, and Wilder knew it .......
Agree, Wilder has a very fast dangerous right hand but doesn't throw much otherwise. He survived the crisis against Ortiz but we saw that his legs went when he was tagged (very thin legs for a heavyweight). If Joshua lands cleanly with a straight right, left hook or uppercut he could be in serious trouble....obviously AJ has to stay out of trouble until landing those shots though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 01, 2018, 05:15:12 PM
I really hope David Price retires after tonight. There is a lot of love for him in the game but he would have been mullered by Parker or Joshua. His physique and style are just wrong. Really feared for him tonight after that knockout.... just pleased he recovered.....

Same as mate!. Pricey is a smashing bloke but cannot ship a punch. Having said that Povetkin can bang!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 03, 2018, 01:23:52 PM
disappointing fight to say the least, i would even go as far as saying the other guy won
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on April 03, 2018, 01:28:44 PM
disappointing fight to say the least, i would even go as far as saying the other guy won

Which fight are we talking about Glyn?

There is a Joshua thread
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 03, 2018, 01:51:16 PM
A peak Tyson Fury wouldn't just beat Joshua he would make him look slow and cumbersome. Joshua wouldn't win a round.

Wilder v Joshua 50 / 50. Whoever lands clean first.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: divinewind on April 03, 2018, 02:22:34 PM
I would love to see a Joshua/Fury fight, so would everyone else i would imagine.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 03, 2018, 02:24:49 PM
Thought Parker deserved an awful lot of credit for his effort. The fact it was boring was down to him. Shame the ref ruined it when it did look to turn into a carve up. Joshua done what was asked of him, but he'll be disappointed he was unable to make a statement.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on April 03, 2018, 10:07:54 PM
A peak Tyson Fury wouldn't just beat Joshua he would make him look slow and cumbersome. Joshua wouldn't win a round.

Wilder v Joshua 50 / 50. Whoever lands clean first.

Fury and Joshua have one mutual opponent.... fury just about won on points after getting in his head during the build up.... Joshua knocked him out and probably decided times up for him.

Makes you laugh when it comes to joshua, people always try to run him down yet every challenge he has came against he has walked through it with ease and every time he has been criticised, he has proved the critics wrong.

As for wilder, he's just shocking and will be an easier opponent than Parker was for Joshua with his wild swinging right hand.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on April 03, 2018, 10:20:03 PM
Fury and Joshua have one mutual opponent.... fury just about won on points after getting in his head during the build up.... Joshua knocked him out and probably decided times up for him.

Makes you laugh when it comes to joshua, people always try to run him down yet every challenge he has came against he has walked through it with ease and every time he has been criticised, he has proved the critics wrong.

As for wilder, he's just shocking and will be an easier opponent than Parker was for Joshua with his wild swinging right hand.

Fully agree Adam, everyone thought Joshua would steamroller Parker on Saturday but it didn't happen. Parker is no mug and Joshua knew that the plan was for Parker to take him the distance. So he boxed cautiously in the first half. After three rounds you could tell that Parker had reach problems and wasn't going to do too much damage, and Joshua out boxed him. Even Parker conceded that and said he was too good [high praise indeed]. Not a 'mexican dust up' by any stretch of the imagination, but a clever fight from Joshua and he still gets slated.

22 fights, 21 KO's, 4 of the 5 belts available, and a young British World Champion, and we still knock him......

He is a nice kid as well.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on April 04, 2018, 12:14:49 AM
Fully agree Adam, everyone thought Joshua would steamroller Parker on Saturday but it didn't happen. Parker is no mug and Joshua knew that the plan was for Parker to take him the distance. So he boxed cautiously in the first half. After three rounds you could tell that Parker had reach problems and wasn't going to do too much damage, and Joshua out boxed him. Even Parker conceded that and said he was too good [high praise indeed]. Not a 'mexican dust up' by any stretch of the imagination, but a clever fight from Joshua and he still gets slated.

22 fights, 21 KO's, 4 of the 5 belts available, and a young British World Champion, and we still knock him......

He is a nice kid as well.

Agree with everything you mentioned..... best part of it, every fight Joshua has he tells his opponent how the fight is going to pan out just like how he told Parker on the gloves are off that it won't be a war like Parker suggested but it will be about boxing and finesse.... he stuck to his word and controlled the fight, didn't even need to break into a sweat... used his jab to perfection and kept Parker where he wanted him for probably 10 of the 12 rounds.... yet he gets slated, but when the likes of fury are fighting on the back foot against klitschko (who Joshua knocked out), he's called a masterclass.

I quite like Parker and think the heavyweight division is becoming exciting again.... we all know Joshua is no Mike Tyson but people fail to realise what the guy has achieved in such a short space of time and the amount of belts he has in such a small amount of fights.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 05, 2018, 11:12:00 AM
Fury and Joshua have one mutual opponent.... fury just about won on points after getting in his head during the build up.... Joshua knocked him out and probably decided times up for him.

Fury clearly won in a result that shook boxing. Joshua came unbelievably close to being knocked out by a 41 year old. Two years can be a massive difference in boxing and boxers can go downhill quick. Sergio Martinez and Bernard Hopkins are two terrific examples.

The biggest person Joshua has fought caused him no end of trouble. Luckily for him he was 41 and simply didn't have the legs to keep his performance up.

Fury would represent everything that has made Joshua look uncomfortable so far in his career. If Fury can get his head right for long enough, that would be a very interesting fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on April 05, 2018, 11:28:22 AM
Fury clearly won in a result that shook boxing. Joshua came unbelievably close to being knocked out by a 41 year old. Two years can be a massive difference in boxing and boxers can go downhill quick. Sergio Martinez and Bernard Hopkins are two terrific examples.

The biggest person Joshua has fought caused him no end of trouble. Luckily for him he was 41 and simply didn't have the legs to keep his performance up.

Fury would represent everything that has made Joshua look uncomfortable so far in his career. If Fury can get his head right for long enough, that would be a very interesting fight.


I could've written that word for word lol.

I'd just add that Klitschko hadn't fought for 18 months before the Joshua fight as well which is far from ideal, especially when in his forties.

Joshua won a fight he could easily have lost and nearly did in the sixth round, Wladimir barely laid a glove on Fury. Styles make fights also and Fury is all wrong for Joshua.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 05, 2018, 06:10:28 PM

I could've written that word for word lol.

I'd just add that Klitschko hadn't fought for 18 months before the Joshua fight as well which is far from ideal, especially when in his forties.

Joshua won a fight he could easily have lost and nearly did in the sixth round, Wladimir barely laid a glove on Fury. Styles make fights also and Fury is all wrong for Joshua.
Klitschko may have been 41 for the Joshua fight but got himself into amazing shape and was very focused for the fight. That 18 month break may have actually done him good for all we  know. You can find something to rubbish any result if you look hard enough.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on April 06, 2018, 02:24:29 PM
Fury clearly won in a result that shook boxing. Joshua came unbelievably close to being knocked out by a 41 year old. Two years can be a massive difference in boxing and boxers can go downhill quick. Sergio Martinez and Bernard Hopkins are two terrific examples.

The biggest person Joshua has fought caused him no end of trouble. Luckily for him he was 41 and simply didn't have the legs to keep his performance up.

Fury would represent everything that has made Joshua look uncomfortable so far in his career. If Fury can get his head right for long enough, that would be a very interesting fight.

Fury won that fight by doing exactly what Joshua did against parker.... yet fury is a masterclass who would expose joshua?

Bare in mind, Joshua told the whole world how the Parker fight was going to pan out and the exact thing happened... fury on the other hand is a gobsh*te and if he doesn't get a pair of shorts that fit him, Joshua will take advantage of that unlike klitschko did.

*get ready for the "fury ain't fought for so long" comments.*
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 06, 2018, 02:32:46 PM
Fury won that fight by doing exactly what Joshua did against parker.... yet fury is a masterclass who would expose joshua?

Bare in mind, Joshua told the whole world how the Parker fight was going to pan out and the exact thing happened... fury on the other hand is a gobsh*te and if he doesn't get a pair of shorts that fit him, Joshua will take advantage of that unlike klitschko did.

*get ready for the "fury ain't fought for so long" comments.*

Parker is no Wladimir Klitschko. Just saying.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 06, 2018, 03:40:48 PM
Tyson Fury is just Cocky and Too big for his Shoes Acts hard but isn't wait till he meets AJ, Mike Tyson and the others soon would S***t himself a few local hard knocks by me knock him out. ;)
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 06, 2018, 08:27:03 PM
Tyson Fury is just Cocky and Too big for his Shoes Acts hard but isn't wait till he meets AJ, Mike Tyson and the others soon would S***t himself a few local hard knocks by me knock him out. ;)

Have you ever seen a gypsy fight?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BaggieBoy04 on April 06, 2018, 09:23:09 PM
Have you ever seen a gypsy fight?
No why?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: costa blanca baggie on April 06, 2018, 10:33:07 PM
No why?
It ain’t pretty.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 07, 2018, 01:21:22 AM

22 fights, 21 KO's, 4 of the 5 belts available, and a young British World Champion, and we still knock him......

He is a nice kid as well.

3 out the 4.  Nobody considers the IBO a real title.

And maybe some people like myself aren't so enamored with him because of his weird defence of Robert Mugabe or because he is a bit of a fan boy of Louis Farrakhan.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on April 08, 2018, 01:02:20 PM
DeGale won what looked like a brutal contest last night.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 09, 2018, 12:21:48 PM
DeGale won what looked like a brutal contest last night.
DeGale is on the downwards trajectory in his career now.  I think the Badou Jack fight took alot out of him.  He would have handled an opponent like Truax easily a few years back.  Hopefully he can cash out soon, maybe a PPV with the winner of the WBSS tournament.  Much maligned at times but he has had a very good career, fought some top opponents and been happy to go on the road to do so.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on April 09, 2018, 02:35:06 PM
3 out the 4.  Nobody considers the IBO a real title.

And maybe some people like myself aren't so enamored with him because of his weird defence of Robert Mugabe or because he is a bit of a fan boy of Louis Farrakhan.


Whoa, where did that come from, never heard any of that, Farrakhan is a grade 1 nasty piece of work. As for Mugabe ....
links please.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on April 09, 2018, 02:54:35 PM

Whoa, where did that come from, never heard any of that, Farrakhan is a grade 1 nasty piece of work. As for Mugabe ....
links please.

I think he is referring to this

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/662108/Anthony-Joshua-Robert-Mugabe-Snapchat-updates-social-media-Dubai-Zimbabwe-dictator

and the last time I looked Joshua was holding 4 belts, not 3.....

No one takes the League Cup that seriously, until you win it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on April 17, 2018, 05:35:28 PM
I think he is referring to this

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/662108/Anthony-Joshua-Robert-Mugabe-Snapchat-updates-social-media-Dubai-Zimbabwe-dictator

and the last time I looked Joshua was holding 4 belts, not 3.....

No one takes the League Cup that seriously, until you win it.
I don't know one serious boxing fan who recognises the IBO.  The other governing bodies don't recognise it and that's why it can't be unified.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 18, 2018, 08:11:38 PM
What a joke!. Just a 6 month ban for Canelo.

Nevada Athletic Commission suspends Canelo Alvarez for six months with no fine. He will be eligible to return in August.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 04, 2018, 06:46:56 PM
Anyone else going to the Tommy Langford v Jason Welborn fight in Walsall tonight?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on May 05, 2018, 12:36:43 AM
Anyway, Jason Welborn won on points and deservedly so (I thought).

Jason took the early rounds with Tommy coming back well and taking the middle rounds.

However, despite looking on the wane for a while Jason came back very strong from the middle of the eleventh and definitely won the twelfth to post a very decent win.

Tommy had the greater variety of punches but looked  sloppy at times, whereas Jason was generally quite balanced and looked solid despite a couple of hairy moments.

Overall a very good night out was had.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smosher34 on May 05, 2018, 12:27:44 PM
Great fight from both lads was very close in the end Jason just got it . Deffo be a rematch .
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 16, 2018, 01:51:13 PM
Did anyone see the GGG V Canelo fight?. Sounds like the judging was as controversial as the first one. Have not seen the fight myself.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on September 16, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Did anyone see the GGG V Canelo fight?. Sounds like the judging was as controversial as the first one. Have not seen the fight myself.


Haven't seen it don't see boxing much now having given up Virgin / Sky.

Doesn't surprise me though some of the scoring is that bad it makes you think there has to be some sort of agenda to it. The first Kovalev v Ward fight still sticks in the memory there is no way in this galaxy that Ward won that.

Golovkin and Canelo are evenly matched though to be fair.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: zac on September 16, 2018, 02:24:58 PM
Did anyone see the GGG V Canelo fight?. Sounds like the judging was as controversial as the first one. Have not seen the fight myself.

It was a great fight, i edged it for GGG.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on September 16, 2018, 02:38:42 PM
Did anyone see the GGG V Canelo fight?. Sounds like the judging was as controversial as the first one. Have not seen the fight myself.

It was a hard fight to score. I had GGG winning but only by a round or two. I had him a clear winner in the first fight. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on September 16, 2018, 11:14:31 PM
Triple G won it for me.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Dexy on September 17, 2018, 08:18:23 AM
Enjoyed it , great fight .
Thought it was a draw though !
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on September 17, 2018, 09:42:45 AM
Personally I think GGG has won both the fights.

Saturdays fight was a lot closer, Canelo landed the 'bigger' punches overall, but GGG landed far more shots and did enough to win that fight by 1/2 rounds.

Would like to see a 3rd fight, but I would like to see it in a venue like Wembley for example, somewhere more 'neutral'.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on September 22, 2018, 10:18:49 PM
Come on AJ!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on September 22, 2018, 10:53:54 PM
Great finish as usual - didn't let him off the hook at all.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on September 22, 2018, 11:16:35 PM
Great finish as usual - didn't let him off the hook at all.


The slomo of the first knockdown was superb. The left didn't hurt Povetkin, but it stunned him enough so he didn't get the gloves back up, the follow up right was absolutely brutal and debateable the fight should have continued after a 9 count.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on September 23, 2018, 10:14:23 PM

The slomo of the first knockdown was superb. The left didn't hurt Povetkin, but it stunned him enough so he didn't get the gloves back up, the follow up right was absolutely brutal and debateable the fight should have continued after a 9 count.

Definitely should have been called off. When he nearly went through the ropes the ref should've waved it.

When Joshua lets his hands go, he is simply frightening. Against Klitschko he had too do it, did it and made it look easy and did it yesterday against Povetkin. However his weaknesses have certainly been shown up in both fights and against leggy opponents too. But you simply can't defend against him when he comes forward with the precision and power he has displayed.

On a side note... Lawrence Okolie... Joke of a fight last night and my word does he have some redemption to find!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: SmethDan on September 24, 2018, 12:37:45 AM
I'll be perfectly honest here, I've only seen highlights and they were from a Russian source online. But from those I have to say that superb finish aside Joshua was wide open and looked very awkward at times. While I realise he's not the finished article (and has never claimed to be) he really needs to pick his game up and quick. When looking through some of his previous fights some time ago, I was quite impressed with his shot variety. Comparing those highlights to the ones I saw last night left me feeling he's actually gone backwards slightly, if so then I just hope it's temporary.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 24, 2018, 09:09:19 AM
Fury if up for it will tie Joshua up in knots and box his ears off,same goes for his fight with Wilder,all wilder has for me is the punchers chance.will he be able to walk Tyson down enough to land his big windmill right hand?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on September 24, 2018, 11:10:51 AM
Fury if up for it will tie Joshua up in knots and box his ears off,same goes for his fight with Wilder,all wilder has for me is the punchers chance.will he be able to walk Tyson down enough to land his big windmill right hand?

Three years is a long time out the game. The Fury of 2015 was the best heavyweight, I worry that the Wilder fight is too soon. If he loses he's even further away from a fight with Joshua. Can't see Matchroom going for Wilder either, fully expect Joshua v Whyte II in April.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on September 24, 2018, 11:24:41 AM
Tyson Fury at peak beats Joshua and Wilder. The trouble is we don't know how close to his best Fury is and we won't really know until he is in the ring with one of them.

Inactivity can be a killer especially in Fury's case as he bungs on weight, doesn't train, doesn't look after himself etc. 
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kie the baggie on September 24, 2018, 01:23:07 PM
On Joshua's early round performance wilder will knock him out with ease
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on September 24, 2018, 05:06:46 PM
On a side note... Lawrence Okolie... Joke of a fight last night and my word does he have some redemption to find!
Should have been disqualified and absolute garbage to watch.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on September 24, 2018, 05:16:10 PM
On Joshua's early round performance wilder will knock him out with ease
Being honest, I'm not particularly a Joshua fan, but I thought he did well against what was probably his most aggressive opponent so far.
Joshua V Wilder if it ever happens will be a spectacle, and I hope it will be a 2 fight deal.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on September 24, 2018, 10:18:05 PM
Joshua's camp will modify the tactics for Wilder as they did for this one. Wilder is dangerous with his very fast right hand but he will also struggle to handle any decent attack from Joshua. Despite being younger, Joshua has more experience against top 10 fighters than Wilder.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on September 28, 2018, 10:48:12 PM
That was some finish by callum smith over groves after a quiet start,got very quick hands and is relentless once he nails his opponent. Wanna see him fight jnr next
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on September 29, 2018, 02:56:50 AM
The punch that did it Groves knew straight away
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Baggies on September 29, 2018, 06:31:28 PM
Glad Smith has finally got there. I remember years ago when he was on the cusp of being the next big thing in British boxing, 1 fight away from a world title fight and then he just seemed to disappear from the spotlight. He has had far too many prep fights to get to where he is today but i’m excited to see him in some big fights from this point forward.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on November 11, 2018, 12:10:46 AM
Bridge too far for Bellew.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 11, 2018, 08:34:01 PM
Didn't understand his tactics last night. Baffling. He invited the pressure from the get go and let Usyk dictate. Mystifying in my opinion. That in spite of him being up on two cards I think the Ukranian sat off the opening rounds and then when he realised he could take the power took control.

Bellew always irked me. His interviews were very big headed in my opinion. Thought he was made light work of in the end. One hell of a gulf in class.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on November 11, 2018, 09:59:45 PM
I don't think Bellew really believed he could win this and would have been happy to have gone the distance with one of the current pound for pound best.
Bellew always knew how to sell a fight and to be fair he can fight.
It will interesting to see if Usyk can compete with the best heavies if he decides to move up.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 11, 2018, 10:49:33 PM
Bellew's a character and deserves what he's got out of the game. Let's face it not everyone can be polite and modest all the time in the boxing world.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on November 12, 2018, 09:18:30 AM
Bellew's a character and deserves what he's got out of the game. Let's face it not everyone can be polite and modest all the time in the boxing world.

They don't have to literally be me, me, me either which is what he tends to turn every interview into.


Loved watching him, hated listening to him. Takes the edge off.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on November 12, 2018, 09:50:13 AM
I think deep down he knew he wasn't going to beat Usyk.

Nevertheless he's earned another nice little pay packet and can retire.

Be interested to see if Usyk moves up a level now he has been opened up to the british public.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tuamigos on November 12, 2018, 03:12:14 PM
I think deep down he knew he wasn't going to beat Usyk.

Nevertheless he's earned another nice little pay packet and can retire.

Be interested to see if Usyk moves up a level now he has been opened up to the british public.

I believe there was talk of him having a go at Joshua
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 12, 2018, 04:59:46 PM
I think deep down he knew he wasn't going to beat Usyk.

Nevertheless he's earned another nice little pay packet and can retire.

Be interested to see if Usyk moves up a level now he has been opened up to the british public.

I think at the time of the Cruiserweight Series Bellew must of had his 2nd fight with Haye. Probably knew he wouldnt of got anywhere. Some very good fighters in the Cruiser division.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 14, 2018, 08:06:01 PM
Decent fighter and man who made the very most of his abilities.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: mrvulgarity on November 27, 2018, 08:25:31 AM
i'm looking forward to the Fury/Wilder fight

Dislike Wilder, and i hope Fury puts him down by the 6th
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on November 27, 2018, 08:37:46 AM
This upcoming fight is like the rough against the smooth to me.
I think that the rough will cause another upset,Fury to win.
He will be prepared with his game plan and heavier than the American guy.
I'm not sure how it will end but I can't see it going the distance.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: collins101 on November 27, 2018, 09:52:47 AM
I really want Fury to win but I can't see anything but a Wilder K.O
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on November 27, 2018, 09:57:28 AM
A peak Fury I'd take to beat any heavyweight out there but he's not had a meaningful fight since he won the world title. It is a massive ask going in with someone like Wilder with such a lack of proper preparation.

Fury hasn't looked after himself at all and we simply don't know how good he is now. Is he still the same boxer? Truth is we won't know until we see him in the ring against Wilder. The odds though must surely be against it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on November 27, 2018, 10:14:28 AM
Id say the odds are against Fury, but I still thik he will win and will be backing him all the way
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on November 27, 2018, 08:39:42 PM
Certainly tricky to predict with any sort of confidence. Wilder hasn't exactly been active of late with only 3 fights in 2 and a half years.
Still has to be favourite though, mainly because of the low quality of Fury's two fights since the comeback. The first fight being a total farce and Fury far from sharp in the second. He could pull a performance out of somewhere but it's a huge step up from those two fights.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on November 28, 2018, 12:27:19 PM
Fury will ,should outbox windmill wilder as long as he has the mobility for a 12 rounder.but what worries me is fury has dropped far too much weight latest pics of him he looks skin and bone,not good for a long fight
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on November 28, 2018, 04:19:40 PM
Talking about skin and bone,does anyone remember the great Pat Cowdell?
I used to train at the same club on occasionally and he was skin and bone but was the strongest man I've ever known,he was wiry,but he could punch a hole in a brick wall.
Brilliant boxer.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 28, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
Talking about skin and bone,does anyone remember the great Pat Cowdell?
I used to train at the same club on occasionally and he was skin and bone but was the strongest man I've ever known,he was wiry,but he could punch a hole in a brick wall.
Brilliant boxer.

Went 15 rounds with the great Salvador Sanchez but later got knocked out in a round by Azumah Nelson. Top quality fighter!.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on November 28, 2018, 05:38:50 PM
Fury will ,should outbox windmill wilder as long as he has the mobility for a 12 rounder.but what worries me is fury has dropped far too much weight latest pics of him he looks skin and bone,not good for a long fight

I would have thought ‘skin and bone’ ( surely an exaggeration) is exactly what is required for a boxer who intends to out box his opponent and go the distance for a points win.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: don1thedon on November 28, 2018, 07:07:30 PM
Talking about skin and bone,does anyone remember the great Pat Cowdell?
I used to train at the same club on occasionally and he was skin and bone but was the strongest man I've ever known,he was wiry,but he could punch a hole in a brick wall.
Brilliant boxer.
yes Pat was a really smashing boxer (managed by Tommy & Paddy Lynch), he was as tough as anything but unfortunately had a little bit of a glass jaw.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on November 29, 2018, 01:00:13 PM
I well remember that Nelson punch,came out of the blue,first round wonder shot,still think Pat could have won it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on November 29, 2018, 01:37:51 PM

No way will Fury win this by knockout.  If he is on his game he'll be too slick give Wilder a boxing lesson.  I do think his inactivity means he might get sloppy and get caught then its good night.


I'd love to see Fury vs Joshua at Wembley next year though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 30, 2018, 12:37:19 PM
Hope Fury wins.

Then I hope he fights Joshua and shuts up this ridiculous cringe fest surrounding him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on November 30, 2018, 02:31:53 PM
Hope Fury wins.

Then I hope he fights Joshua and shuts up this ridiculous cringe fest surrounding him.

He needs to stop pulling up his shorts, dropping his guard and acting cocky during his fights before even thinking about stepping in the ring with Joshua, just those 3 things will get him knocked out and that's without taking Joshuas power and speed into account.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: mank baggie on November 30, 2018, 04:30:35 PM
He needs to stop pulling up his shorts, dropping his guard and acting cocky during his fights before even thinking about stepping in the ring with Joshua, just those 3 things will get him knocked out and that's without taking Joshuas power and speed into account.
If both boxers entered the ring in best possible condition fury would absolutely batter Anthony no 2 ways about it
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 01, 2018, 02:44:08 PM
Wilder 212 Furey 256. Wilder his lowest ever weight, will the 44 pound advantage favour Fury or will it hinder him. Dont really like either guy. But hope Wilder wins because i'm fed up with people going on about Fury being the ' Undefeated linear Champion' when he pulled out of two rematches with Klitschko. Cannot lose the title if you dont defend it!
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on December 01, 2018, 07:46:21 PM
Wilder's chief weapon is his speed of punch so the low weight should suit him. His right hand is very fast - seen some comments about windmill Wilder but he delivers his straight right very fast and very economically. Purely in terms of the right hand he's like a heavyweight Thomas Hearns.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 02, 2018, 06:05:02 AM
Some naughty scoring there. That said he didn't quite make the 2nd count imo and it should have been waved off.


Fascinating to watch Fury work, though you always thought he might get caught.


Once it went to a points decision it was obvious Fury had won by 3 or 4 rounds even allowing for the two 2 point knockdowns.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on December 02, 2018, 06:20:42 AM
I said earlier that Tyson would win but not sure how it would end .
Wow what a fight,anyone who knows a bit about boxing knows Tyson won.
I think he is mentally stronger than Wilder  and physically stronger.
I would love to see a rematch in Manchester which I believe the Brit would win.
Great performance by Tyson when you consider what he has endured personally for last 3 years,incredible really,hats off to him and his corner.
I think that Wilder is scared of Fury and hasn't met anyone like him before.
Tyson will be fitter for the rematch and I believe he could knock Wilder out.
Great fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: collins101 on December 02, 2018, 06:29:24 AM
Bitter pill to swallow that was, how the judge has given Wilder the first 4 rounds is beyond me. Wilder looked at beaten man just trying to save face in the post fight interviews, I think he knows deep down he was out boxed. That's the worst Fury he's going to fight so I wouldn't be surprised if he avoids the rematch like the plague !
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on December 02, 2018, 09:20:46 AM
Bitter pill to swallow that was, how the judge has given Wilder the first 4 rounds is beyond me. Wilder looked at beaten man just trying to save face in the post fight interviews, I think he knows deep down he was out boxed. That's the worst Fury he's going to fight so I wouldn't be surprised if he avoids the rematch like the plague !

He can’t  avoid a rematch he may have a fight in-between. Question is would Wilder fight in England
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on December 02, 2018, 09:46:14 AM
I haven't seen the fight I was at work. From what I've read Fury gave Wilder a boxing lesson. Wilder is one hell of a banger and he'll put anyone over if he connects properly. Fury clearly has done remarkably well considering the time he's taken off and the abuse he's given his body.

Fury will win a re-match more easily and given that he's been in with Wilder now and knows what to expect he'll avoid the knockdowns. Be better if he can get it somewhere other than the USA though, getting the decision over there against a home fighter in a big fight is sometimes somewhere near impossible.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 02, 2018, 11:33:38 AM
Didn't see it live but listened to it live on 5 and the full video this morning.thought fury was back to his best and schooled a very poor champion who was totally bamboozled. If not for his 2 knock downs he'd have won easily but done well enough for me to win.the old adage holds firm here that you need a ko in USA to get a draw.A rematch in the UK and fury stops him a lot easier.Wilder is a pi as poor champion
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 02, 2018, 12:03:01 PM
Not difficult to see why Wilder did not want to come to England. Apart from his obvious punching power he has little boxing ability. Wilder's promoter offer of $50m was shown to be a scam. They never had that sort of money and know he is overrated.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on December 02, 2018, 08:20:01 PM
Wilder was obviously knackered for the last 4 rounds - he probably would have finished off Fury in the last with more in the tank. Talk he over-trained but Wilder's main comment about the fact he was forcing his punches rather than letting them flow naturally was probably accurate and was part of the reason he tired so much.

The obvious logic says Fury would wins comfortably next time (assuming he stays in some sort of shape) ....but Wilder will still have a big punchers chance. Fury won the fight and credit to him, especially for just about making the count from that 12th round knockdown.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on December 03, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
Wilders face mid celebration when Fury gets up from the knockdown is priceless.

It would be in Wilder's best interest to have the rematch in the UK if it were to happen, a rematch in Wembley would probably sell out and he's likely to increase his profile that way as opposed to a rematch in USA.

I think a rematch would see Fury win. I also think Fury would beat Joshua over 12 rounds, for his size - Fury's head movement is probably the best in his weight category.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on December 03, 2018, 09:39:00 AM
Wilders face mid celebration when Fury gets up from the knockdown is priceless.

It would be in Wilder's best interest to have the rematch in the UK if it were to happen, a rematch in Wembley would probably sell out and he's likely to increase his profile that way as opposed to a rematch in USA.

I think a rematch would see Fury win. I also think Fury would beat Joshua over 12 rounds, for his size - Fury's head movement is probably the best in his weight category.

The double take by Wilder was fantastic, he could not believe what he was seeing....

One of the very few fights I paid for - worth every penny. I am not a Fury fan but he has gone up in my estimations big time. No doubt he can box and Wilder looked bemused and resigned until he came up with the knock downs.

Twelve months ago I would have said that Fury/Joshua would never happen, but now I think it will and I for one cannot call it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 03, 2018, 11:02:05 AM
The double take by Wilder was fantastic, he could not believe what he was seeing....

One of the very few fights I paid for - worth every penny. I am not a Fury fan but he has gone up in my estimations big time. No doubt he can box and Wilder looked bemused and resigned until he came up with the knock downs.

Twelve months ago I would have said that Fury/Joshua would never happen, but now I think it will and I for one cannot call it.
Well I will.Fury will box AJs ears off and deck him when he usually runs out of steam second half the fight.Fury for a big big unit is fleet footed and proved he has the stamina for the distance.I'll say it again for the umpteenth time you can't ko what you can't hit and fury's biggest enemy is himself showboating at times and losing concentration
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tommcneill on December 03, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
Fury won that....its a travesty it was called a draw.

Fury wins the rematch for me aswell.

Bit more respect for Wilder after the fight than I had before, but he gave his all and KO's Fury only for Fury to get up and crack on like nothing had happened...that in itself will be something that Wilder will remember and fear for me in any rematch...he gave him his biggest shot and the guy got back up.

Fury deserves more respect after that fight aswell...The Gypsy King is back
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: johnny Cash on December 03, 2018, 11:29:02 AM
Fury will outbox AJ, I dont think that's ever been in doubt. Fury's downfall is that he is very unlikely to knock out the better fighters in the division, which means the fight is going 12 rounds for Fury to win. That always gives an AJ or Wilder more than a punchers chance.

In my opinion Fury won, but Wilder very nearly pulled it off. It's not that bizarre that a ref may have given two rounds to Wilder either, on top of the knock down rounds so I dont think the Brit scoring 113/113 was that shocking. God knows what the Mexican ref was watching mind.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on December 03, 2018, 11:30:33 AM
Fury won that....its a travesty it was called a draw.

Fury wins the rematch for me aswell.

Bit more respect for Wilder after the fight than I had before, but he gave his all and KO's Fury only for Fury to get up and crack on like nothing had happened...that in itself will be something that Wilder will remember and fear for me in any rematch...he gave him his biggest shot and the guy got back up.

Fury deserves more respect after that fight aswell...The Gypsy King is back

Looked a right pr*t in his crown, mask and feathers when he came into the ring. I bet he doesnt wear that little ensemble next time!

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on December 03, 2018, 12:28:25 PM
Fury will outbox AJ, I dont think that's ever been in doubt. Fury's downfall is that he is very unlikely to knock out the better fighters in the division, which means the fight is going 12 rounds for Fury to win. That always gives an AJ or Wilder more than a punchers chance.

In my opinion Fury won, but Wilder very nearly pulled it off. It's not that bizarre that a ref may have given two rounds to Wilder either, on top of the knock down rounds so I dont think the Brit scoring 113/113 was that shocking. God knows what the Mexican ref was watching mind.
Agreed.
Wilder had a couple of 10-8 rounds so Fury had to win 4 just to be even, that leaves 6 rounds up for grabs and depending on how you judge it, going 3/3 isn't outrageous as it means he won 7/5 and maybe even boxed better in one of the 10-8 that Wilder won. Even so I think Fury deserved the nod.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: FallOutBoy on December 03, 2018, 12:51:05 PM
I've always said if you're fighting an American in America, you have to knock them out - you won't get any kind of decision.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 03, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Seen far worse score cards if I'm honest. It's a joke but I have definitely seen worse. Great fight and he made Wilder look average, when he's not much to popular opinion.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: darbolina on December 03, 2018, 05:34:49 PM
It was a great fight and I really enjoy watching Fury box. He's natural and he's clever. He's tough as anything and for a man who is 6 foot 9 his feet are unbelievable.  Wilder is a poor boxer with an amazing right - yes a one trick pony. AJ is an athelete, with raw power but like Wilder, not a boxer. If Fury can stay fit , mentally and physically for the next year or two, he should be able to become the undisputed champ as he's a better boxer than both. It's a big if though..............

He was robbed on Saturday which was a shame but hopefully he keeps it together to achieve what he's capable of. I'd love to see him he become what he's capable of.......
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on December 03, 2018, 06:42:20 PM
Fury may be a more natural boxer than Joshua, but I think he would have a major struggle to keep away from trouble for 12 rounds against AJ. AJ has more variety than Wilder and can throw 5 or 6 heavy punch combinations when he has someone in trouble.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on December 03, 2018, 09:50:03 PM
Klitschko gave AJ his most problems with his movement. Unfortunately he didn't have the legs to sustain it. He'll struggle against the movement of Fury but at the same time he just seems to be able to hit a button, open up and showcase his incredible power. It would be interesting that's for certain.

Also vehemently disagree Wilder is a poor boxer. He's just nowhere near as good as the best heavyweight boxer since Lennox Lewis.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: barnestormer on December 08, 2018, 12:09:51 PM
WBC have now sanctioned a rematch with fury and wilder.can see it being in Yankee land once more but feel an even fitter and motivated fury will have wilders number next time
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on December 08, 2018, 02:56:07 PM
WBC have now sanctioned a rematch with fury and wilder.can see it being in Yankee land once more but feel an even fitter and motivated fury will have wilders number next time
seems a reasonable assumption and I'm not convinced that Wilder can actually KO Fury after the 2 haymakers he landed in the last round didn't finish him, most others wouldn't have got up from that.
The defining factor as usual will be if Fury is motivated enough.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on December 08, 2018, 06:01:49 PM
seems a reasonable assumption and I'm not convinced that Wilder can actually KO Fury after the 2 haymakers he landed in the last round didn't finish him, most others wouldn't have got up from that.
The defining factor as usual will be if Fury is motivated enough.
Wilder was knackered the last 3 rounds, if he'd had anything left in the tank he would have finished him off...plus there was the question of whether or not Fury did beat the count anyway. On the evidence we saw, Wilder most definitely can knock Fury out....at least that's the way I see it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: silver surfer on December 08, 2018, 06:25:34 PM
If wilders punching power had diminished with tiredness I would think that Fury’s punch resistance would have been lessened as well as that late stage. I just don’t think he was hurt that badly all things considered as both punches were full blooded and on target. Fury was definitely lucky having a ref who gave him every opportunity to continue another ref might have waved it off immediately the way he fell.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on March 05, 2019, 09:19:22 AM
“Frank Bruno 'needs rest' after being treated for pneumonia”

Frank is a most likeable individual, in my view, and a National Treasue, get well soon and stay strong

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/47442368
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 05, 2019, 08:27:34 PM
anybody going to watch tommy langford at walsall townhall saturday
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 20, 2019, 11:44:24 AM
Anthony Joshua's opponent Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller has now failed a 3rd dope test. Started saying he had never knowingly taken Ped's he has now been forced into a grovelling apology. Overrated loudmouth in my opinion.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 20, 2019, 08:04:17 PM
Looking at his past displays it might explain how a bloke who's 22 or 23 stone can keep up a high punch rate as he has.
This was picked up by 'voluntary anti doping association'. I'd guess it was in the contract for the fight that they needed to be involved.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: saml30 on April 21, 2019, 11:12:58 PM
Anthony Joshua's opponent Jarrell 'Big Baby' Miller has now failed a 3rd dope test. Started saying he had never knowingly taken Ped's he has now been forced into a grovelling apology. Overrated loudmouth in my opinion.

Personally I think it’s hilarious after his Joshua drug comments
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Baggies on April 22, 2019, 05:38:54 PM
I wonder why Miller thought he could get away with it? Boxing has a real problem dealing with drugs cheats. It needs to become a lot tougher with longer bans.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 22, 2019, 05:41:32 PM
Personally I think it’s hilarious after his Joshua drug comments

Whistling in the graveyard!. 10 years a pro and never fought a real contender.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 22, 2019, 05:44:30 PM
I wonder why Miller thought he could get away with it? Boxing has a real problem dealing with drugs cheats. It needs to become a lot tougher with longer bans.

Very true. It would be interesting to know how many fighters are on Ped's. I would hazard a guess that 50% of the world's top boxers are doing them.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on April 22, 2019, 07:10:48 PM
I wonder why Miller thought he could get away with it? Boxing has a real problem dealing with drugs cheats. It needs to become a lot tougher with longer bans.
Yes the Alvares ban was a complete joke...obviously because of his money making status. I assume Miller knew he had to try and get away with it against Joshua because he knew he had no chance if he didn't. very strong chance this was not the first time he's done it.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: 17GD on June 02, 2019, 04:30:35 AM
Anthony Joshua defeated in the 7th round by Andy Ruiz in a huge upset.

But things don't seem right, as AJ seems happy about it...
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 02, 2019, 06:03:22 AM
So Andy Ruiz stops Anthony Joshua. No shock to me. Always said Joshua was over-rated. He has no chance against Tyson Fury or Deontay Wilder. Too stiff, too slow, too immobile.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: liverbaggie on June 02, 2019, 08:28:28 AM
AJ is Frank Bruno in a former life.
What a strange fight,he was smiling in the ring when stopped,no guts and no will to win,very disappointing for an English boxing perspective.
Wilder is an overrated big mouth and Fury would beat Ruiz,Wilder and AJ.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 02, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
Anthony Joshua defeated in the 7th round by Andy Ruiz in a huge upset.

But things don't seem right, as AJ seems happy about it...

Has made a lot of money under Eddie. Prehaps the hunger is not there anymore. Ruiz is not the mug people were making him out to be. Lets see if Wilder fights him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: FallOutBoy on June 02, 2019, 04:39:34 PM
Has made a lot of money under Eddie. Prehaps the hunger is not there anymore. Ruiz is not the mug people were making him out to be. Lets see if Wilder fights him.

I looked at him after the fight and I didn't see what I used to see in him. I think you're right, the hunger and desire has gone.

It's Rocky 3 with a Brit and a Mexican  ;D
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 03, 2019, 08:44:16 PM
Haven't seen the full fight yet but have seen the punches that mattered on Sky news. The punch that turned it in the third got Joshua in the temple area. Those punches tend to affect the balance and affect you more than a punch on the jaw.

Don't agree with the no guts and no will to win bit. There's evidence of the corner struggling to get instructions through to him and him asking questions in between rounds as though he didn't quite know where he was i.e. very probably concussed from the 3rd round onwards.

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: tuamigos on June 04, 2019, 07:10:27 AM
Something was wrong the AJ that entered the ring wasn't the AJ of old.
Read something on Sunday saying that Joshua had been sparked out by one of his sparing partners and hadn't got properly over it.
Also said that Joshua's dad had told Hearn before the fight that AJ shouldn't be boxing and Heran had said he would be fine once he got in the ring.
If you watch the after figh in the ring AJ'S dad is giving Hearn all sorts and AJ has to pull him away.
Conspiracy theories abound.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 04, 2019, 08:58:49 AM
Something was wrong the AJ that entered the ring wasn't the AJ of old.
Read something on Sunday saying that Joshua had been sparked out by one of his sparing partners and hadn't got properly over it.
Also said that Joshua's dad had told Hearn before the fight that AJ shouldn't be boxing and Heran had said he would be fine once he got in the ring.
If you watch the after figh in the ring AJ'S dad is giving Hearn all sorts and AJ has to pull him away.
Conspiracy theories abound.


There often are when someone gets beat and there are nearly always excuses.

If Ruiz had stayed down when Joshua floored him no-one would've said a thing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on June 04, 2019, 05:53:05 PM

There often are when someone gets beat and there are nearly always excuses.

If Ruiz had stayed down when Joshua floored him no-one would've said a thing.

AJ and his team are denying the rumours so you can't really say they are making excuses.

Klitschko and Whyte are both a lot more powerful than ruiz, yet he dropped like a sack of spuds when ruiz hit him.

Don't think its fair for anyone to take away what Ruiz did, fairplay to the guy he got the job done but love or hate AJ, anyone could see something was wrong from the delayed ring entrance, to joshua looking uncomfortable during his walk to the ring and whilst he was in the ring before the fight right down to his fight and lack of jabs etc he was throwing to him not having a clue what to due during each break after each round.

Apparently he had concussion when he got knocked out in sparring and your not aloud to even step into the ring for so long after it. Who knows the truth but something doesn't seem right tbh.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 04, 2019, 08:58:47 PM
There have also been comments from the commentators out there about Joshua looking slow in the public workout...they passed it off as not giving much away / conserving energy at the time.
There may well have been something pre fight and the reaction of AJ's father suggests there was, but that right hand over the top to the temple in the 3rd is what made Joshua's legs go. I've seen several fighters get hit there, have balance issues and take a long time to recover in the fight, if they do.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 04, 2019, 09:14:59 PM
AJ and his team are denying the rumours so you can't really say they are making excuses.

Klitschko and Whyte are both a lot more powerful than ruiz, yet he dropped like a sack of spuds when ruiz hit him.

Don't think its fair for anyone to take away what Ruiz did, fairplay to the guy he got the job done but love or hate AJ, anyone could see something was wrong from the delayed ring entrance, to joshua looking uncomfortable during his walk to the ring and whilst he was in the ring before the fight right down to his fight and lack of jabs etc he was throwing to him not having a clue what to due during each break after each round.

Apparently he had concussion when he got knocked out in sparring and your not aloud to even step into the ring for so long after it. Who knows the truth but something doesn't seem right tbh.


That has been denied. The bloke who was supposed to have dropped Joshua in training didn't even spar with him according to Hearn.

So much nonsense going round.

Joshua got caught on the temple that's what did the damage, nothing else. He never recovered properly and lost fair and square.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Hunnington Baggie on June 04, 2019, 09:28:40 PM

That has been denied. The bloke who was supposed to have dropped Joshua in training didn't even spar with him according to Hearn.

So much nonsense going round.

Joshua got caught on the temple that's what did the damage, nothing else. He never recovered properly and lost fair and square.
denying it doesn't make it not true though, as pointed out if they confirmed it and Joshua had a concussion and fought when he shouldn't there could be all types of issues coming at them. Better to deny and say it was a bad fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: adamw1109 on June 05, 2019, 01:39:06 AM

That has been denied. The bloke who was supposed to have dropped Joshua in training didn't even spar with him according to Hearn.

So much nonsense going round.

Joshua got caught on the temple that's what did the damage, nothing else. He never recovered properly and lost fair and square.

And you believe a word hearn says?

So explain the way Joshua was before the fight and up until the 3rd round when he got caught on the temple?

Not trying to make excuses for him, he got beat... but do you seriously think from the very start it was the same Joshua we have always seen?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on June 05, 2019, 08:22:55 AM
And you believe a word hearn says?

So explain the way Joshua was before the fight and up until the 3rd round when he got caught on the temple?

Not trying to make excuses for him, he got beat... but do you seriously think from the very start it was the same Joshua we have always seen?


I never believe what anybody says. As a follower of horse racing and boxing you pretty quickly learn to ignore quotes and reputations and the like, you learn to concentrate on facts and what your eyes tell you. If you don't do that you'd go broke pretty quickly backing racehorses.

To answer your question yes it was the same Joshua as usual. Joshua is what Joshua is. He's a big man, strong and athletic with a powerful punch and a good level of boxing ability. What he doesn't have is upper body movement, a particularly strong chin and despite his athleticism he  doesn't have the fastest hands neither is he exceptionally mobile in the ring.

Joshua's best win was probably against Dillian Whyte in hindsight. When he beat Klitschko (a fight that could've gone either way) Klitschko was 42 years old and clearly on the slide, yet that fight was competitive. Joshua struggled in the early rounds against Alexander Povetkin, a 39 year old who has been been banned for using performance enhancing drugs and since returning from that ban isn't the same fighter. It took him five rounds to get rid of David Price who has one of the worst chins in boxing above domestic level. Joshua's other notable win was against Joseph Parker, a clear yet uninspiring points decision.

Now people expected Joshua to easily beat Andy Ruiz but lets look properly at Ruiz's record.

Before the Joshua fight Ruiz had been beaten once in 32 professional fights. That one defeat came in 2016, a dubious points reversal against Joseph Parker. At the time Parker was an unbeaten, hyped up fighter that was always likely to get the benefit of the doubt if it came to scorecards. I watched that fight and I had Ruiz a clear winner, two or three rounds but the boxing world was talking of Joshua v Parker down the line and Parker got the decision. That decision should've gone Ruiz's way. Had it done he'd have been unbeaten in 32 pro fights to add to 105 wins as an amateur. This guy is a good fighter, underestimated by casual observers because he doesn't look the part. For a heavyweight he is comparatively small and he's fat. But he can fight.

Some of us have always said when Joshua comes up against a top fighter that can move or that can take his power and return it he's going to have a tough night. It came as no surprise that Ruiz with fast hands gave Joshua trouble.

If you'd asked me before the fight who would win this I'd have said probably Joshua on points but I'd have said it was a 60 / 40 fight because Joshua is the best fighter Ruiz has faced. Some people claiming this result is the biggest shock of the century are talking absolute rubbish. Jeff Horn beating Manny Pacquiao (just to give one obvious example) was a way, way, way bigger upset than this ever was. This result wasn't even a shock if you follow boxing closely. Maybe a surprise yes, because Joshua was the champion but some huge shock, no way.

Joshua was always likely to be troubled by hand speed. Saturday was not the first time, he was stopped as an amateur by a shorter, quick opponent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LqwBr9jcY&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8LqwBr9jcY&t=2s).

Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: darbolina on June 05, 2019, 08:37:56 AM
great summing up . Joshua is a physical unit but hes not fast, not a skilful boxer and doesn't have the raw knock out punch that wilder has. I think he will likely beat Ruiz next but I've always thought Fury is the best boxer around if he can keep his head together.

No surprise to me that Joshua was beaten,
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 09:20:01 AM
Joshua looked odd from the beginning, even before the fight when he was having that neck massage, he looked out of it to me.

The one thing I also found bizarre was the whole build up, with Joshua letting Ruiz hold the belts etc, after the fight Joshua smiling, didn't really look that bothered about losing the belts in all honesty.

Take nothing away from Ruiz, he took his chance and got the job done. I think Joshua will win the rematch.

I don't buy into the hype of Wilder either, I think Whyte beats him if that fight ever happens. Tyson Fury in my opinion beat Wilder and he hadn't really had a 'big' fight for how long. Wilder v Joshua would be an interesting fight but again I don't see it happening.

Joshua has always been built up as he generates a lot of money and they rolled with it. He probably did take his eye of the ball a little with the Ruiz fight and probably expected an 'easy' win. When he knocked him down in the 3rd he probably thought it was job done and he'd finish him off, fair play to Ruiz who came back and knocked Joshua down.


Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: ronnie_allen on June 05, 2019, 09:49:20 AM
Joshua looked odd from the beginning, even before the fight when he was having that neck massage, he looked out of it to me.

The one thing I also found bizarre was the whole build up, with Joshua letting Ruiz hold the belts etc, after the fight Joshua smiling, didn't really look that bothered about losing the belts in all honesty.

Personally, a lot of this seems consistent with the glimpses of Joshua I have seen. Unlike a lot of other boxers; he never seems to be comfortable doing the whole "I hate the other fighter" act, he going down and all that. Seems to have a quiet self confidence and just focuses on the boxing, the mechanics and the fitness. When compared to almost all other boxers actions (either acting or natural) it may come off a bit like he lacks the desire or the like but seems to be a bit of his genuine self which got him this far.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Mister AT on June 05, 2019, 09:53:39 AM
Personally, a lot of this seems consistent with the glimpses of Joshua I have seen. Unlike a lot of other boxers; he never seems to be comfortable doing the whole "I hate the other fighter" act, he going down and all that. Seems to have a quiet self confidence and just focuses on the boxing, the mechanics and the fitness. When compared to almost all other boxers actions (either acting or natural) it may come off a bit like he lacks the desire or the like but seems to be a bit of his genuine self which got him this far.

I agree with you in regards to him being respectful to his opponents and not entering into a war of words to try and sell the fight, but I can't for one second imagine him letting Whyte, Wilder, Fury etc stand on the stage and pose for pictures with his belts.

As I have said before though, take nothing away from Ruiz, he deserved to win that fight.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: darbolina on June 05, 2019, 09:58:19 AM
Joshua looked odd from the beginning, even before the fight when he was having that neck massage, he looked out of it to me.

The one thing I also found bizarre was the whole build up, with Joshua letting Ruiz hold the belts etc, after the fight Joshua smiling, didn't really look that bothered about losing the belts in all honesty.

Take nothing away from Ruiz, he took his chance and got the job done. I think Joshua will win the rematch.

I don't buy into the hype of Wilder either, I think Whyte beats him if that fight ever happens. Tyson Fury in my opinion beat Wilder and he hadn't really had a 'big' fight for how long. Wilder v Joshua would be an interesting fight but again I don't see it happening.

Joshua has always been built up as he generates a lot of money and they rolled with it. He probably did take his eye of the ball a little with the Ruiz fight and probably expected an 'easy' win. When he knocked him down in the 3rd he probably thought it was job done and he'd finish him off, fair play to Ruiz who came back and knocked Joshua down.

Wilder looked horrendous against Fury. Fury made him look daft. Wilder just tried to wind up his right all the time, he just can't box.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 05, 2019, 11:33:20 AM
Joshua looked odd from the beginning, even before the fight when he was having that neck massage, he looked out of it to me.

The one thing I also found bizarre was the whole build up, with Joshua letting Ruiz hold the belts etc, after the fight Joshua smiling, didn't really look that bothered about losing the belts in all honesty.

Take nothing away from Ruiz, he took his chance and got the job done. I think Joshua will win the rematch.

I don't buy into the hype of Wilder either, I think Whyte beats him if that fight ever happens. Tyson Fury in my opinion beat Wilder and he hadn't really had a 'big' fight for how long. Wilder v Joshua would be an interesting fight but again I don't see it happening.

Joshua has always been built up as he generates a lot of money and they rolled with it. He probably did take his eye of the ball a little with the Ruiz fight and probably expected an 'easy' win. When he knocked him down in the 3rd he probably thought it was job done and he'd finish him off, fair play to Ruiz who came back and knocked Joshua down.
Re Joshua's reaction after the fight....his worst nightmare had just happened, his reaction will have been a combination of shock, embarrassment, and he was probably concussed. I'm pretty sure he was very bothered by the outcome but how each individual reacts is an unknown.
Wilder - there are always excuses after fights but there was talk of him having over trained when he fought Fury and he said himself he loaded up the right hand too much. He looked in superb condition against Breazeale recently and looked very sharp, fast and powerful while it lasted. Wilder is a major threat to anyone including Fury in the rematch - but he can be wobbled if people can get to him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Scooby Doo on June 05, 2019, 09:43:14 PM
Only a handful of times has Joshua gone into the ring against an opponent with genuine belief. On every occasion he has ended up in trouble. It's a shame as it's really effected his willingness to open up in the ring.

The too slow and too immobile comments are laughable. What he has been is incredibly over hyped. Ruiz went in there with belief and put him to bed. Amazing performance.

Joshua is an absolute athlete but against Klitschko he was truly shown up and that fight really changed my opinion of him as a boxer. I still think he will overhaul his backroom operation and comeback mind. People bang on about the power of Wilder, yes his KO record is phenomenal but AJ's isn't bad either. He's just not as flamboyant as Wilder.

Callum Smith meanwhile continues to show why he could go on to be as good as Joe Calzaghe in terms being a dominant undefeated British force. Animal.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Adder on June 05, 2019, 10:26:21 PM
The BBC 5 Live podcast Costello and Bunce is worth a listen. So many theories and factors being discussed around this fight, including the amount of stuff going on around Joshua in New York. He's very marketable and generally very popular but he was doing a lot of promotional, appearance stuff on top of some pretty testing sparring/training and a lot of media stuff as well and spending a lot of time stuck in New York traffic.
Didn't Lennox Lewis used to take himself off to the Catskill mountains away from it all to prepare ?
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: BB74 on June 16, 2019, 08:09:32 PM
Can’t wait to see Fury get in the ring with AJ. Regardless of opponent, the head movement by Fury was something special.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Dexy on June 16, 2019, 08:24:48 PM
Can’t wait to see Fury get in the ring with AJ. Regardless of opponent, the head movement by Fury was something special.
I'd sooner see another Fury v Wilder , can't deny Fury puts on a show one way or the other !
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on June 16, 2019, 09:30:23 PM
Grandson Tom Stokes from West Brom fights for the Midlands middleweight title on 21st july.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/other-sport/tom-stokes-midlands-middleweight-title-16424693





Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smethwick2 on August 30, 2019, 09:54:33 AM
Great fight set for tomorrow night, Lomachenko vs Campbell with a great undercard. Can't see past a Loma win though, future Hall of Famer for sure. Undercard is also interesting, Hughie Fury vs Povetkin is a good match up allow us to see what Hughie is made of against an experienced and tough fighter. I do think he gets more media attention than he warrants though due to his last name but he is a little younger than his cousin so can still work his way up the rankings
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Atomic on August 30, 2019, 11:33:51 AM
Great fight set for tomorrow night, Lomachenko vs Campbell with a great undercard. Can't see past a Loma win though, future Hall of Famer for sure. Undercard is also interesting, Hughie Fury vs Povetkin is a good match up allow us to see what Hughie is made of against an experienced and tough fighter. I do think he gets more media attention than he warrants though due to his last name but he is a little younger than his cousin so can still work his way up the rankings


The Fury / Povetkin fight is a pick'em for me. Fury is younger, bigger and should win really if he has any chance of succeeding at world level but Povetkin is still decent and I'm not so certain Fury will prevail.

If Campbell beats Lomachenko it's up there with the greatest shocks of all time (far more so than Joshua v Ruiz). Loma is P4P probably number one in the world right now and is pretty damn special. Campbell is decent in his own right but Loma, surely, is just too much for him.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 30, 2019, 02:47:49 PM
Can't disagree with any of this, its a must win for Fury really if he wants to go past being a British/European challenger. Buatsi also on the undercard again but should be a straight forward enough win for him, showed what he was made of with a great performance against Gorman previously
Povetkin is quality, I don't see Fury winning against him (despite Povetkins age (40?))
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on August 30, 2019, 05:27:27 PM
Povetkin will KO Fury.


Really hope Campbell shows more than Crolla against Loma. Crolla just stood there in front of him and Loma just boxed his head off. Campbell's gotta get up close, use his size advantage and go for the body. His only chance. Hope he does it but I can only see a points win for Loma.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on August 30, 2019, 05:39:39 PM
My picks for the fights:
Lomachenko TKO over Campbell in the later rounds
Povetkin UD over Fury
Edwards vs Aguilar is a pick'em fight but I'll go with Edwards on a close decision
There should also be comfortable wins for Cordina and Buatsi

Should be a good night of boxing.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 31, 2019, 11:41:44 PM
Loma given a good run out by Campbell, brave from the brit, but the better fighter won

Fury outclassed, needs to retire
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smethwick2 on October 08, 2019, 01:41:24 PM
Chisora v David Price has been announced for the undercard of the Josh Taylor fight after previous opponent Sprong has failed a drugs test with VADA. I really feel that Price should hang his gloves up, could be another worrying knockout. Chisora hits as hard if not harder than Povetkin so it could get ugly for him
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smethwick2 on October 25, 2019, 11:43:19 AM
Exciting card for tomorrow night, the most popular fight in the UK is probably Chisora v Price but for me Taylor vs Prograis looks a belter. A unification fight between 2 of the worlds best in the super-light weight division, I'll edge it Prograis but wouldn't surprise me at all if Josh Taylor wins even by KO. He is far the biggest challenge that Prograis will have faced so far and I think Taylor has that crazy-jock belief in himself that will give Prograis plenty to think about. We also have Connor Benn who is always a great watch against Steve Jamoye, expecting a comfortable win for Benn. Lawrence Okolie also looking to get back on the up after a strange fight against Gudino and is fighting undefeated Ngabu, really needs to turn it on otherwise it might prove a difficult night for him. Also, I never usually took much notice of female fighters until Katie Taylor came to fame to be honest but Shannon Courtenay is a really good fighter and I expect she will win comfortably. Finally, there is a good domestic battle in Selby vs Burns where both have had tough fights in recent years so it will be interesting to see how it goes down
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: kris_boing on October 25, 2019, 12:47:45 PM
Price has no chance against Chisora.  Hope he gets a good payday and retires though. Be over in 3 rounds I reckon.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smethwick2 on October 25, 2019, 12:58:01 PM
Price has no chance against Chisora.  Hope he gets a good payday and retires though. Be over in 3 rounds I reckon.

Agreed, I think Chisora is all wrong for price really. Not too dissimilar to Povetkin, a big bruiser that can bang. Price is a good fighter, his chin just lets him down so if Chisora turns it on like he did against Szpilka then inside 3 rounds is a good bet
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: Signor_Maresca on October 25, 2019, 01:21:49 PM
Price has no chance against Chisora.  Hope he gets a good payday and retires though. Be over in 3 rounds I reckon.
Both washed in my opinion.  Del Boy less so than big Pricey though.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbarenno on October 25, 2019, 01:30:01 PM
Since when did Chisora and David price become Ppv box office attractions ? Can’t believe sky are charging £20 for it . I know Parker got injured but even Parker chisora isn’t a box office event
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smethwick2 on October 25, 2019, 01:45:18 PM
Since when did Chisora and David price become Ppv box office attractions ? Can’t believe sky are charging £20 for it . I know Parker got injured but even Parker chisora isn’t a box office event

PPV is because Taylor vs Prograis is a unification fight between 2 world champions at Super-Light Weight. With the rest of the card its not a surprise its PPV, I've seen smaller fights attract a PPV audience
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: wbako on October 25, 2019, 08:32:38 PM
Prograis vs Taylor is a high quality fight between two world class fighters in their prime. I really like Taylor, who is a a decent operator. However, Prograis is a deadly puncher and brilliant technician - I can't help thinking he stops Taylor in the mid to late rounds.

As for Price vs Chisora: can not see past a Chisora KO as Price has the punch resistance of a Dandelion.
Title: Re: Boxing Thread
Post by: smethwick2 on October 28, 2019, 10:58:22 AM
Exciting card for tomorrow night, the most popular fight in the UK is probably Chisora v Price but for me Taylor vs Prograis looks a belter. A unification fight between 2 of the worlds best in the super-light weight division, I'll edge it Prograis but wouldn't surprise me at all if Josh Taylor wins even by KO. He is far the biggest challenge that Prograis will have faced so far and I think Taylor has that crazy-jock belief in himself that will give Prograis plenty to think about. We also have Connor Benn who is always a great watch against Steve Jamoye, expecting a comfortable win for Benn. Lawrence Okolie also looking to get back on the up after a strange fight against Gudino and is fighting undefeated Ngabu, really needs to turn it on otherwise it might prove a difficult night for him. Also, I never usually took much notice of female fighters until Katie Taylor came to fame to be honest but Shannon Courtenay is a really good fighter and I expect she will win comfortably. Finally, there is a good domestic battle in Selby vs Burns where both have had tough fights in recent years so it will be interesting to see how it goes down

What a fight between Taylor and Prograis, I had it a draw but in the end Taylor won by majority decision. I think the home crowd may have helped the judges a little bit. Even so, a fight of the year contender between 2 world class fighters. Comfortable win for Chisora, glad they threw the towel in for Pricey as much as I love a good knockout I would of felt sick if he had another big punch and was put out cold. Connor Benn had a great stoppage, he really needs to think about moving up in terms of the quality of opponents. Okolie won by another stoppage but I just cant get interested in him, his style is too awkward for me. Missed Shannon Courtenays fight but by the sounds of it she won by a close decision which is common in 4 round fights. Also a good win by Selby who just looked a little fresher than Burns as he is that little bit younger, but I do like Burns and he should think about retiring soon I think