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Title: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 27, 2013, 07:27:15 PM
3 Match test series:

6-10 March 1st Test, Dunedin

14-18 March 2nd Test, Wellington

22-26 March 3rd Test, Auckland

Been looking forward to this. Expecting us to win all three tests to be honest. We've just beaten them in the Twenty20 and One Day series and I struggle to see them taking twenty wickets to be honest unless they make their pitches with plenty of swing which will then play right into our hands.

First warm up match was today. England ended up making 357-7 with Ian Bell on 127 not out. Joe Root also featured and I would certainly look to giving him a place in the side for the three tests. He's been very impressive of late. Nick Compton also opened the batting and made 21.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on February 27, 2013, 07:29:07 PM
Also, is this the most beautiful place to play Cricket?

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Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 27, 2013, 07:37:30 PM
I love Cricket.I will be hoping to go to Australia for the ashes
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 27, 2013, 08:35:44 PM
I expect us to win this series. I have been impressed so far with Root in the ODIs, he also made a great knock in the last test against India. Compton was steady and made some good starts. If New Zealand were to make the wickets swing a lot that would benefit us with Jimmy Anderson.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 05, 2013, 05:54:36 PM
First test starts tonight on Sky Sports 1.

Programme starts at 8. The game starts at half 9.
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Post by: kc56wba on March 05, 2013, 07:08:03 PM
Also, is this the most beautiful place to play Cricket?

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Isn't it just like West Bromwich Dartmouth Cricket Club ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbako on March 05, 2013, 07:53:10 PM
New Zealand are a poor test team and we should smash them. Whether we do or not is another question, though.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 06, 2013, 03:41:33 PM
Shame we had no play Yesterday, gopwfully we will have some later on tonight.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 06, 2013, 04:09:20 PM
First test starts tonight on Sky Sports 1.

Programme starts at 8. The game starts at half 9.


Thats an outrageous time to watch cricket :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 06, 2013, 04:31:33 PM

Thats an outrageous time to watch cricket :D

Nobody watched any in the end  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 10, 2013, 09:32:00 AM
Finished a draw England batting well in the second inngings both Cook and Compton making centuries. Trott made 50 and so did Steve Finn.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Bilston Dan on March 11, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
Big well done to Steven Finn who batted brilliantly for a Night Watchman, the 2nd longest Night Watchman innings in England's history, the first being Jack Russell (not the dog who posts on here!). We didn't take to the conditions at all, I think the first day's play being a no-show did it but as a top test side we should rise above that. I think the second test should be interesting and hopefully we'll get a full 5 day's play.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 11, 2013, 10:24:54 PM
It says something about the state of the pitch that Steven Finn can go out there and knock a half century, he looked like a rabbit in the headlights but did very well to stifle the days play. It was embarrassing that we can be bowled out for 167 on that pitch but that isn't the first time England have acted sloppily during the first test - as mentioned previously, it's becoming a trend and one Flower will need to eradicate.

Delighted we saved the test but that was a terrible pitch and hopefully the pitch in Wellington proves to be a bit more of a contest between bat and ball.

Also a mention to Nick Compton who very much deserved his maiden test century given the pressure which has been based upon him, hopefully this wasn't a one off and he can replicate that innings throughout the remainder of the series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on March 11, 2013, 10:48:45 PM
Quite enjoying the time its on tbh. Watch half the day then straight to sleep!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 11, 2013, 10:57:10 PM
In other news, the Australians have dropped four of their players for the third test for breaches of team discipline.

If I heard correctly, I'm pretty sure Steven Finn has scored more runs than Shane Watson in 2013.  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Bilston Dan on March 12, 2013, 11:45:01 AM
It says something about the state of the pitch that Steven Finn can go out there and knock a half century, he looked like a rabbit in the headlights but did very well to stifle the days play. It was embarrassing that we can be bowled out for 167 on that pitch but that isn't the first time England have acted sloppily during the first test - as mentioned previously, it's becoming a trend and one Flower will need to eradicate.

Delighted we saved the test but that was a terrible pitch and hopefully the pitch in Wellington proves to be a bit more of a contest between bat and ball.

Also a mention to Nick Compton who very much deserved his maiden test century given the pressure which has been based upon him, hopefully this wasn't a one off and he can replicate that innings throughout the remainder of the series.

I think Compton does have a lot of pressure on his place as we already have an opener in Joe Root, who for me is looking like he could be a top player. I think Compton is a good test player though and has a good technique and the mental capacity for Test Cricket. I like the fact that the management are looking to bring in players who have had good county seasons, because at the end of the day, all you can do is play against the teams you're playing and if you do well then that's all anyone can ask.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 13, 2013, 09:03:49 AM
Second test starts tonight. Really hope we make a much stronger start to it. Come on England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 13, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
There's a drought in Wellington. No rain for six weeks. God they're picky  :D

New Zealand won the toss and decided to field.

Captain Cook went early to a poor shot.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 14, 2013, 08:05:10 AM
Compton and Trott both made centuries. England are in a excellent position. Hopefully the middle order can make some big scores and get us to 500.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 14, 2013, 07:17:44 PM
Delighted for Nick Compton. Suddenly looks the part but it shall be interesting to see him against better attacks to see how he copes then. The New Zealand bowling attack are average to be honest on a pitch which appears batsman friendly.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 15, 2013, 08:00:04 AM
An excellent day for England KP and Prior both making good scores, also Steve Finn making 24. Really good end to the day getting New Zealand three down. 
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 15, 2013, 09:37:06 AM
Compton and Trott both made centuries. England are in a excellent position. Hopefully the middle order can make some big scores and get us to 500.


both South Africans :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 15, 2013, 05:05:33 PM
The top three already has four centuries between them in this series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on March 15, 2013, 06:53:10 PM

both South Africans :D

KP as well :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 16, 2013, 09:30:15 AM
Excellent day for England eight wickets for us. Broad bowled really well. Hopefully we can get one or two early wickets in the morning and really apply the pressure on them
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on March 18, 2013, 01:20:09 PM
A bit of a damp squib in the end then
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 18, 2013, 05:10:50 PM
The weather ruined any hopes of us winning that test match but I do feel it was always going to be a struggle to take the remaining eight wickets.

I expect a similar sort of pitch to the one in Dunedin and Wellington at Auckland where New Zealand can scrape through to earn themselves a creditable 0-0 draw from the series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 21, 2013, 08:28:45 PM
Final test tonight. Big blow that KP is out however I still feel we can win this one.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on March 22, 2013, 01:14:04 AM
Looks lie the groundsman has money on the draw again  ::)

Waste of time staying up to watch this I could bat on it!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 22, 2013, 04:27:26 PM
Yet another pitch which is not a fair contest for bat and ball. New Zealand will probably post a mammoth score and no doubt we shall do the same in our innings.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2013, 05:50:21 PM
Looks like New Zealand are going to win the series 1-0. They need six wickets to win the final test match and in honesty, I really do not see England batting the whole day tomorrow. We have been outclassed in the field, outclassed with the bat and outclassed with the ball. The first day with the ball wasn't good enough and also, our first innings with the bat was pretty rubbish too. The partnership from Fulton and McCullum last night took the game well behind us with us needing around 480 to win the test.

England however have brought this situation on themselves. Regardless of the way their dismissals have come about, the tactics have also been quite baffling. Joe Root and Matt Prior on Saturday evening seemed to content just to block and block and that theme of blocking has also re-occurred in our second innings. It is important whilst trying to save a test match that you play your normal game and we haven't done that. We've given away cheap wickets due to the pressure we've placed upon ourselves because of our failure to score. The boundary is sixty yards and we're struggling to score runs. Without being disrespectful to New Zealand who have been energetic, determined and played some quality cricket, we have made their bowling attack look very good on a pitch which is still very friendly for the batsman. If we had any chance of saving the test match and drawing the series then it was important that Alastair Cook and/or Jonathan Trott were at the crease tomorrow morning but unfortunately both have given away their wickets with Trott playing a quite ridiculous shot.

I've watched England religiously throughout the last few years and I don't think I've seen a test match where we've been completely outclassed in all departments. New Zealand very much deserve their victory and England have a lot of thinking to do - There is no way we shall save this test match.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 25, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
I always believe that we can save this game, I have been pretty dissapointed with our performances in the series overall.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbako on March 25, 2013, 07:35:21 PM
Shocking tour all-around. The players lacked the intensity that should accompany international cricket and I'd go as far to question their effort levels. Pathetic.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 25, 2013, 08:42:35 PM
Shocking tour all-around. The players lacked the intensity that should accompany international cricket and I'd go as far to question their effort levels. Pathetic.

Agree.

I think we've massively under estimated New Zealand and in return they are going to win the series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on March 25, 2013, 09:38:16 PM
Complacency I think and focusing too much on the Ashes. Losing Swann and Pieterson hasnt helped but we overall I dont think we deserve anything out of the series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 26, 2013, 04:44:07 PM
Well, what a final day that was.

How on earth did we manage to save that? Terrific from Matt Prior to not only take so much time out the game but to play a quite beautiful innings combined with numerous pieces of good fortune as well as his ability to help guide both Stuart Broad and Monty Panesar through their innings. Showed real maturity and showed why he is the best wicket keeper batsman in the world.

Very good knocks from Ian Bell and Stuart Broad who despite scoring only six runs did very well to take the time out of the game and successfully eat up deliveries. That's what I love test cricket, the day had everything, fielding brilliance, superb bowling, great batting, dropped catches, over-turned umpiring, missed runs outs and a great atmosphere.

Superb way to the end the series, just a shame we weren't good enough to win a test and hopefully our great escape doesn't over shadow that.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Critical Baggie on March 26, 2013, 11:42:43 PM
What an advert for test cricket. Incredible. England seem to have a habit of being able to save matches from pretty perilous positions and this was up there at the top; especially with some of the wickets they lost at very important times.

Absolute heartache for NZ though. Should of declared half an hour earlier than they did. Think if they had 160 plus overs and 3 new balls we would of been doomed.

Look forward to seeing them in England next month - they're quite an exciting attacking unit and as bad as England have been I've been very impressed with the way they have asserted themselves this series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 17, 2013, 01:51:47 PM
A really busy summer for us with the Ashes, the ICC and also this series with New Zealand. We have not made a great start for us however Root and Bairstow have been looking good today. It will be intresting to see which batsmen gets picked for the Ashes as it looks like it will be one of Root and Bairstow. Credit to New Zealand a team with limited experiance in the side have done very well against us. Hopefully Finn and Anderson can give as much support to Bairstow and we can get a total of 250.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2013, 07:16:38 PM
The test match is now left evenly poised. England looked in a commanding position with Trott and the impressive Joe Root going along nicely. Unfortunately, after his dismissal England have started to collapse which for the neutral will provide superb entertainment over the next day or two. Hoping Ian Bell can recover from his flu and that he and one of Swann or Broad (preferably both) can support him in scoring runs as I don't anticipate Finn or Anderson troubling the score board much.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 18, 2013, 07:23:08 PM
We have had a very good two and half sessions today. Root was very good today and he also played nicely in the first innings too, still early days for him but the signs are good. Trott also again looking very good. With a lead of just over 200 hopefully Bell can make some runs Finn can frustrate the New Zealand bowlers. Broad and Swann to make some decent scores hopefully get 50 60 runs between them which will hopefully take us too a 300 lead. The pitch is taking more spin now which will be good for Swann, both Anderson and Finn bowled well in the first innings so they have some form now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2013, 07:31:15 PM
Promising thing about Root is not only the way he's reacted to international cricket, he looks firmly on the stage but also the fact he's in impressive form in the county championship having scored three centuries already scoring in excess of 600 runs averaging around 161. A mate of mine from a Sheffield Wednesday forum had the pleasure of seeing him in action and was thoroughly impressed. Hopefully he can take his form in the county championship and replicate it on the big stage. Given what I've seen so far, he has a promising future at this level.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 18, 2013, 07:45:20 PM
Joe Root has made a great start this season three big hundreds already and nearly 120 runs in this test match.
What a fantastic bowler Jimmy Anderson is 303 wickets now he has been the leader of the bowling attack for a good few years now and his in only thirty years of age so he still has another good three of four years left in him.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on May 18, 2013, 07:56:07 PM
Its great to see Root come through his emergence is reminiscent of when Alistair Cook broke into the Test team, if he goes on to get anywhere near Cooks record then he will have done well.

Theres alot of good players coming through and we need to blood them in to not become stale like Australia did once the older players retired.  Our next big job is to find replacements for Anderson, Swann and more importantly an all rounder in the mould of Big Fred.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 18, 2013, 08:04:28 PM
Its great to see Root come through his emergence is reminiscent of when Alistair Cook broke into the Test team, if he goes on to get anywhere near Cooks record then he will have done well.

Theres alot of good players coming through and we need to blood them in to not become stale like Australia did once the older players retired.  Our next big job is to find replacements for Anderson, Swann and more importantly an all rounder in the mould of Big Fred.

Replacement for Flintoff, will hopefully be Broad one day although his batting hasn't been that good of late. Interesting to see who will come in when Swann retires will they turn to Panaser, I like the look of Briggs at Hampshire. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2013, 09:04:55 PM
Freddie Flintoff still hasn't been replaced really. That position has always been one up for grabs, despite attempts by Eoin Morgan, Ravi Bopara and Jonny Bairstow to fill it. I guess the next one to have a real attempt shall be Chris Woakes.

Great point Gaz about not becoming stale. Eventually Kevin Pieterson and Jonathan Trott shall slowly need to be replaced as both are growing in age.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on May 18, 2013, 09:38:13 PM
The next year or so for Woakes is a big point in his career internationally hes now 24 with a first class average of nearly 40 with the bat and the mid twenties with the ball, if the selectors keep overlooking him he could come into Test Cricket far too late.

The problem I see with the bowling department is one the Aussies had with regards to the fact that they just stuck with those established and taking wickets instead of blooding others in.

Australia never looked to blood replacements for Warne and McGrath and just hoped that enough talent would be around when they retired, its this I do not want England to do.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 18, 2013, 10:15:44 PM
Australia are having similar problems in the batting department too. Not good enough apart from Michael Clarke who more or less carried them throughout their tour of India. Granted India are difficult conditions, I expect them to come unstuck in England too. I don't think their bowling line up is that bad to be honest, they have enough to cause us problems, however they are woefully short in the spin department. How many spinners have they tried now since Warne left? None have been good enough to cement down a position.

We've got a good group of bowlers currently with the Lions who are looking to improve their game. Chris Woakes, Stuart Meaker, Boyd Rankin and one or two others who I'm sure will compliment Steven Finn and Stuart Broad in a few years time when James Anderson starts to call it a day.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 19, 2013, 09:18:43 AM
Cook 28
Compton 29
Trott 32
Bell 31
Root 22
Bairstow 23
Prior 31
Broad 26
Swann 34
Finn 24
Anderson 30

Hopefully not all of those players who are about thirty will retire all at once like what some of that great Australian team did. Woakes is a very good batsmen, maybe Rashid may come back into the frame he has scored two centuries in county cricket so far this season.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on May 19, 2013, 10:26:48 AM
Swann's the only one properly approaching retiring territory, he'll probably retire after the 2015 world cup if injuries don't hinder him, its not like with the legendary teams anyway where the players in the team were so much better than everyone else in the country, so that shouldn't really stop anyone getting chances. Anderson and Swann are the ones to really be concerned about, Anderson is the only bowler we have who consistently takes top order wickets, and there's not even real competition for Swann, albeit a few promising young spinners coming through.

Can't see Woakes getting much of a chance beyond now either, he definitely won't be risked in the ashes so that's 2013 written off for him. This would have been the perfect time to blood him what with Broad being awful at both batting and bowling, but then it seems only Bresnan, who's failed to impress for England for some time now, is ever considered as an alternative.

Of more immediate concern anyway is our seeming inability to bat without a terrible collapse every single innings. It's amazing anyone below Trott in the order ever averages over 30 because its literally every single game at the moment. Rarely is it due to good bowling either. Yesterday being the prime example of there being no pressure at all, on a respectable score, and suddenly they're going to struggle to avoid defeat.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 19, 2013, 10:49:15 AM
Trott is very consistent and dependable for us, with 24 scores of 50+ in just 42 test matches. Broads and Swann's batting haven't been that great lately they need to get us some runs today hopefully. The wicket is taking a lot of spin and it will be good for Swann but 270 is what we need.   
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: jsam on May 19, 2013, 12:30:08 PM
This is turning into a very good game - England got them 16-3 at the moment with all three wickets to Stuart Broad.

I just hope we can get it finished before this afternoon's kick off.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 19, 2013, 12:32:28 PM
I felt that New Zealand were slight favorites at the start of this innings but Broad has bowled very well and has put England in control. This game has swayed from side to side would love us to get another one before lunch.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on May 19, 2013, 12:57:34 PM
25-5, surely all over for NZ now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: jsam on May 19, 2013, 01:04:07 PM
26-6 at lunch, and a Michelle for Broadie! Should be over in time for the Albion game and a bit of dinner before hand too. Happy days.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 19, 2013, 01:10:40 PM
Amazing bowling from Broad I'm not always convinced by him but runs and five wickets today and he is now closing in on 200 Test wickets.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: jsam on May 19, 2013, 02:45:20 PM
7 for 44 for Broad and a win in a canter. Now I can concentrate on the footie.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 19, 2013, 02:48:04 PM
What a performance from England. Broad was exceptional today bowled extremely well. Anderson also bowled very well too, and in the first innings Finn bowled very well too.  Root and Trott batted well Yesterday and Broad added some very important runs at the time. Looking forward to the next test now on Friday New Zealand do have some decent players Tim Southee bowled very well.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 23, 2013, 11:12:27 AM
Second and final test starts tomorrow:

Expecting England to remain an unchanged side. The only debatable call is whether you go with Tim Bresnan over Steven Finn. Joe Root is playing at his home ground.

For New Zealand. BJ Watling and Bruce Martin are out with injury so as expected, Martin Guptill and Daniel Vettori will return to the side with Brendon McCullum behind the stumps.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on May 23, 2013, 11:16:49 AM
England v Australia coming up.Best team sport competition going
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 23, 2013, 12:02:50 PM
Just 48 days to go now until the Ashes, although still one test and small ODI series and the Champions Trophy before all of that. I dont think we will make any change as all of the seamers picked up wickets. I really hope Root and Bairstow can perform well and I think Compton needs to make a score in this Test match. I expect us to win 2-0, simply down to our bowling attack been considerably better than there's.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 25, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
Great to see that we have finally have some play, and the weather looks good for the whole of the day. However Compton only making one today, playing at a wide ball. Despite those two centuries that he made, I'm not to convinced by him yet. Really hope Cook and Trott can go on a make a big partnership.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2013, 01:03:07 PM
England enter lunch at 67-3. Two wickets in the over prior to Lunch.

Joe Root given a standing ovation on the way to the crease - England need a big innings from him.

Today is made for both Root and Bairstow.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 25, 2013, 03:34:22 PM
A good partnership ended by Williamson as Root and Bell were looking good. Root on 43 not out now really looking the part and looking like he belongs in test Cricket. Really hope Bairstow makes some runs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2013, 03:48:08 PM
If Joe Root is going to make his first test century then it would be fitting that it happens at Headingley.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 25, 2013, 05:03:36 PM
England going very well at the minute, Bairstow is looking good too. I really hope Root can make his maiden century and Bairstow can make a big score too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
And Joe Root scores his maiden test century in-front of his home faithful.

Superb innings. A young man showing great maturity.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 01, 2013, 12:16:50 AM
We had our first one day international against New Zealand yesterday and lost by five wickets. Incredibly disappointing performance with the bat, we were at least 40-60 runs short of a competitive total and New Zealand cruised to the finish line. Positives were that James Anderson, Graeme Swann and Tim Bresnan bowled very well giving the small total they were defending.

The second ODI is on Sunday.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2013, 10:12:12 AM
Not good enough
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on June 01, 2013, 10:18:23 AM
Love the International game.
Off to Edgebaston next Sat for Us v Aussies in ICC
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 01, 2013, 07:44:04 PM
I was very happy with the way we played in the second Test Match. We really have a great bowling unit as Anderson and Broad got a lot of wickets at Lords and then Swann gets ten wickets at Leeds. It was Disappointing that we lost the first ODI I felt we need another 50 odd runs, and Dernbach and Woakes do need to improve. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 03, 2013, 03:14:27 PM
Not a great performance yesterday, Trott batted very well and the the other batsmen got starts again but failed to kick on. Hopefully we can win the final ODI on Wedensday at Trent Bridge.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 08, 2013, 09:36:12 AM
I really hope we beat the Aussies today. Having no Clarke for Australia is a big blow for them and for them been bowled out for 65 may have some advantage towards us. I thought that we played really well the other night Buttler and Morgan looked really good, Bell has found some form. Tredwell bowled really well. The wicket at Edgbaston is very dry today so I would like to see both Swann and Tredwell in the side today.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 08, 2013, 07:54:41 PM
Really can't wait for the Ashes - the Aussies were awful.

If this is what the summer is going to be like then bring it on. The Australian batting line up lacks any type of leadership, direction and authority without Michael Clarke.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tommcneill on June 08, 2013, 08:30:32 PM
Just grabbed myself some tickets for Worcestershire v The Aussies at New Road next month...

Err ON THE LASH
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 09, 2013, 04:11:43 PM
Bell batted really well again yesterday. With the bowlers that we have i really think we have a great chance of winning the ICC. My only concern is the top three are very sedate, Jos Buttler who has only had one really decent innings for us so far, still is unproven. Also Morgan didn't make that many runs Yesterday either.   

The Aussies batting doesnt look that good. They bowled ok Yesterday. Test Match Cricket is very different to ODI but from what I have seen of the Aussies they don't possess any fear.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2013, 11:50:36 AM
England qualified to the semi-finals after beating New Zealand yesterday in a rain-affected match. We made 169 and in truth, New Zealand never looked like getting there due to a superb bowling/fielding performance until the late Anderson/Williamson cameo.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 17, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
I didnt think that 170 would be enough, however some great bowling from the seamers in the opening overs really put the pressure on New Zealand. Cook batted very well and Joe Root contributed well again with the bat. I really think with our bowling attack and some very good batting performances that we can get into the final. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 19, 2013, 01:06:27 PM
Excellent Cricket again from England today James Anderson has been great once again has as James Tredwell who has been a great back up for Swann. Finn and Broad have also done well aagin today. We need these last two wickets as a Partnership is getting formed by South Africa. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Bilston Dan on June 19, 2013, 05:02:33 PM
England are in the final now. Good knock from Trott. He gets a lot of stick but he's always reliable. 82 off 84 balls is not exactly a slow innings either...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 19, 2013, 06:40:23 PM
Complete performance from England today bowling was excellent Jimmy Anderson and James Tredwell in particular. Batting was good again Root is getting better and better and looks like he is going to make a hell of a lot of runs for England. Jonathan Trott is Mr consistent for England another great knock today. I dont think it makes much difference who we get in the final as both India and Sri Lanka are both very good sides.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 19, 2013, 08:01:48 PM
Can't fault them - ridiculous that we're in the final when it looked quite impossible some days ago, still, that's the beauty of sport.

I can understand the criticisms of Jonathan Trott but there's no doubting he's being reliable for us over the past few years. It seems when he does score then his strike rate does improve but I guess it's just him "getting going" but his record is faultless.

I missed the majority of our bowling as I was out but from what I've seen on the highlights James Anderson was once again superb.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on June 21, 2013, 11:39:40 AM
Anybody on here going to the final at Edgbaston
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 22, 2013, 12:15:32 PM
Looking forward to the final tomorrow, really fancy England to win it, funny how things can quickly change as least week I didn't fancy us at all to go on to semi finals. With the Ashes still to come it has already been a pretty successful summer for England making light work of New Zealand and getting to the final of the ICC. Looking at Jimmy Anderson stats in this tournament they are expectational averaging below fifteen runs, he really is a top class bowler.
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Post by: gerry m on June 23, 2013, 08:20:54 PM
wish id taken 11/4 on India ???
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 23, 2013, 08:36:19 PM
wish id taken 11/4 on India ???
India win by 5 runs! England threw it away.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 23, 2013, 10:45:44 PM
Another England batting collapse - a collapse which betters any of our previous attempts. We got ourselves into a position with Eoin Morgan and Ravi Bopara where the game was only inches away from being won after managing to cut the deficit but unsurprisingly, more wickets at the inappropriate times took away any momentum we created and left with the tail-enders needing to slog for their lives. We did very well to restrict India to a moderately low score and I'm disappointed that we've once again bottled the final occasion - such a shame that the weather affected what had the makings of a potentially great final.

Well done to India who were very good throughout the tournament. Particularly in unearthing Dhawan who looks to have an increasingly positive future in all forms of the game and he is supported by the likes of Kohli, Raina and Jadeja who also continue to impress meaning they have an incredibly bright future in the short forms of the game.

For England, Jos Buttler despite being very young has question marks over his head, no doubting his ability but one score for every five leaves England in a difficult position but I guess he has time to improve. On the positive side of things, Jonathan Trott has responded to his critics by excelling and leading the batting attack whilst James Tredwell has also proved to be very effective at this level and proved to be an able deputy for Graeme Swann.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on June 24, 2013, 01:15:41 AM
Buttler can't really bat, he can swing it and occassionally with the power he gets on it, even his edges are often enough to fly for boundaries and he can play some nice shots on occasion - but his shot choice looks increasingly suspect, but he looks well and truly found out at international level. Batting isn't just about getting boundaries, its about judging the situation and playing appropriate shots. Till he learns to play in more than one mode then he's a liability, he's cost England a tournament in part today, he's not ready for it. His average is 11.6 after 11 innings now which is appaling, one good innings in eleven. All we needed to do on that penultimate over even with wickets lost the previous one was play sensibly and ease the total down, there was no need to go swinging like he did on his first ball, no need at all. Of course Bresnan for some reason deciding to take a single then confirmed the loss, being pretty much as bad a run out as you can get - which was particularly galling as 15 off 7 balls or whatever it was if he'd stayed in with Bresnan and Broad was gettable, expecting Tredwell to get boundaries wasn't.

Prior should be given another chance really, he's been poor at one day level so far but even his poor performances are far better than Buttler, whilst Kieswetter was really struggling as well before he got dropped although he's a far better limited overs average than Prior. Maybe call up Davies and give him a chance.

Likewise how does Bresnan keep getting in the team? Consistently the worst bowler every match he plays, he's not great with the bat, he's ok but that's it, and he doesn't really take wickets either. Woakes got slated and dropped for the exact same performances as Bresnan in the New Zealand matches, yet Bresnan gets picked even after England's dominant win over South Africa!? His 4 overthrows also ultimately ended up being very costly.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 24, 2013, 08:19:08 AM
Like with most other England teams when it mattered, bottled it
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on June 24, 2013, 08:34:27 AM
I would suggest Bell being given out when he clearly wasn't at such a crucial stage was the factor in our defeat, if he stays and builds with Trott we win?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 24, 2013, 09:47:24 AM
I was really disappointed that we lost Yesterday really felt as the way we bowled and the Morgan and Bopara partnership would have been enough to take us through. The Bell wicket I think shouldn't have been given as I didn't really see enough to convince me that Ian Bell should have been given out. There are a lot of positives however. The form of Boapara as he looks a different player, Tredwell has been an excellent replacement for Swann. Root has looked impressive and the top three look pretty solid too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 24, 2013, 03:00:36 PM
Dan makes some good points.

The wicket keeping has always been a problem for England recently. They like to ear mark someone and then hope to improve them to a position where they can take the role full-time. It was tried with Matt Prior, however, he too failed to score the runs which was required from coaching staff. It is also very well being able to exploit fields in test cricket but the shortened formats are totally different - in addition, since his removal from the one day side, it has seen Prior improve both his wicket keeping abilities and batting. England are keen to promote youth, especially with Prior, Read and Foster aging in the county formats and after Kieswetter's disappointments, Jos Buttler is next in line, but it appears he is just as bad, shot selection currently not his greatest asset and is in need for a lot of work - I guess the next option shall be Bairstow.

As for Tim Bresnan, I like him personally as a bowler and think we have much worse. Chris Woakes and Jade Dernbach both took an absolute pasting in the warm ups with New Zealand. Don't think Dernback has been helped with the changes in the regulations and Woakes looked incredibly ordinary. He's able to get the ball to reverse swing and is capable of taking wickets at important occasions. I thought he bowled very well in the warms up and had a fairly decent tournament - nothing brilliant but nothing poor either. His batting seems to have regressed slightly which is partly one of the reasons why he is favoured, because he adds depth to the batting line up. Personally, I'm an advocate of Steven Finn but even he hasn't been setting the world alight lately.

The over throw was a collection of mistakes to be honest and it's unfair to single Bresnan out. He did very well to gain hold of the ball and get the throw into Buttler who could only tap it behind the realms of Eoin Morgan who made a quite frankly embarrassing attempt at trying to halt the ball from going for four.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 06, 2013, 04:33:38 PM
Nick Compton has been left out of the England squad for the first Ashes Test match. The start he made was indifferent two very good centuries but disappointing against New Zealand and with both Root and Bairstow making runs then it was going to be hard for him to be picked.

Cant wait for Wednesday now, the Aussies will cause us some problems but overall we will have enough.

Come on England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WSBaggie on July 10, 2013, 11:06:36 PM
Interesting first day today. Tomorrows morning session is going to be crucial.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 11, 2013, 07:55:44 AM
A very interesting days plays Yesterday, Peter Siddle bowled extremely well. A number of England players getting starts then not kicking on. However Anderson bowled one of the best balls in his career to get rid of Clarke Finn bowled really well too. The game is very much in the balance, hopefully we can get a n early wicket this morning and try and get some form of a lead and then just bat, run them ragged get a big lead and with the amount of cracks in the wicket later on in the game then hopefully Swann will get a lot of success. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 11, 2013, 01:27:55 PM
We have let them off the hook massively this morning. After such a good start we let Agar (never a number 11) and Hughes strike up a really good partnership and let them take the lead.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: phbaggies on July 11, 2013, 02:02:10 PM
We have let them off the hook massively this morning. After such a good start we let Agar (never a number 11) and Hughes strike up a really good partnership and let them take the lead.
Agar should have been given out on just 6, Finn's bowling has been amateur at best so far! Fair play to Agar though took full advantage and I agree he is no no.11
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on July 11, 2013, 02:14:57 PM
Agar should have been given out on just 6, Finn's bowling has been amateur at best so far! Fair play to Agar though took full advantage and I agree he is no no.11

Bet he doesn't bowl No11 in the next game
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 11, 2013, 03:31:28 PM
Been an intriguing days play so far. The momentum swung (literally) in England's favour. James Anderson started performing wonders with the new ball leaving us in a very strong position. Phil Hughes has improved a lot over the past couple of years and his partnership with a rookie in Ashton Algar may be remembered for a while if Australia were to win this test match. A thoroughly impressive innings which certainly merited a ton - despite some wayward bowling from ourselves.

Hopefully we can cut down their lead and bat for just under two days putting us in a commanding position - it looks friendly for batsman.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on July 11, 2013, 03:47:04 PM
England bottle it once again, facing down to a defeat when they should have had a comfortable lead. Regardless of Agar batting well it was the most ineffective and lazy bowling you'll see, they clearly thought the job had been done.

And once again the batting is atrocious, as it has been for far too long. Virtually every match they let the team down and usually get bailed out of it by the bowlers. Unless Cook can get a century here its game over. Bell and Pieterson haven't played to the level expected in a long time, Bairstow rarely kicks on, and even Prior has done very poorly since his century. Need at least 300 here to have a defendable lead.


Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2013, 03:47:51 PM
England in the poo 11-2. All the hype and arrogance prior too
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 11, 2013, 03:57:30 PM
So far this game has swung from either side as both teams have been in a half decent position twice in this game. Any batsmen getting out down the leg side is never good. Hopefully Cook and KP can bat the session we needed 400 at least i think to get the in our hands however that will be very tough. Anderson and Swann looked very good today massive credit towards Hughes and Agar, however we bowled very poorly once we got them nine down especially Finn.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2013, 04:00:05 PM
England will be all out for 150
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 11, 2013, 04:09:09 PM
An appalling start. I think it will actually do us a favour to lose this test match and realise that this won't be the walk over many of the nation were expecting. They have a very capable bowling line up, one which has the ability to tear through our batting line up and we shouldn't be making it easier for them by repeatedly getting out to ridiculous shots. We're now relying on big scores from an out of form Bell & Prior and an under cooked Pieterson and Bairstow.

I don't think Jonathan Trott was out either.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 11, 2013, 06:50:08 PM
I think both the wickets for England could not have been given out as I'm not sure they were 100 per convinced. Why not give Agar not out for that stumping and Trott and Root out, similar to Ian Bell in the ICC final. However Cook and KP batted well and we now have a lead of 15 tomorrow is the big days hopefully England bat well and sensibly slowly build that lead up and then attack later on in the day.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: dan7heman on July 11, 2013, 06:56:32 PM
Entertaining yes.. but this has been 2 days of one day cricket. Hope the series will turn into tests from tomorrow.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 11, 2013, 07:41:19 PM
working for sky sports on these ashes! really good atmosphere at trent bridge and the noise when we get a wicket is huge! should be an interesting 3 days.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2013, 08:54:47 AM
England will be all out for 150


Oh well maybe not.First session this morning another crucial one
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 12, 2013, 09:10:10 AM

Oh well maybe not.First session this morning another crucial one

For the first session we just need to keeping batting the way we did last night as Cook and KP took the sting out of the Aussie bowlers. If we can do that then the bowlers will tire and hopefully we can then build a lead of well past 250.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2013, 09:16:16 AM
What realistic score will England be looking for to ensure winning
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on July 12, 2013, 09:52:16 AM
To 'ensure' victory or too have no way of losing, with the time left they need to get to about 450-500 in my opinion.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2013, 11:26:18 AM
Steady progress this morning
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 12, 2013, 01:17:28 PM
A lead of just over ninety with four wickets lost at lunch. Bell and Bairstow have really been tested so far and are having to dig in. KP looked really comfortable at the crease and I was starting to think that he was on for a really big score same with Cook. Its been a really good test match so far, really hope these too can for a big partnership and give us the edge.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 12, 2013, 03:18:32 PM
218-6 -    153 run lead.Lets hope it rains
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 12, 2013, 03:51:16 PM
A lead of 165 at tea, Bell still at the crease this wont be any easy total for the Aussies chase, there batters look week and not many runs in the top order. Keep going England. Also well done to Ian Bell going past 6,000 test runs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on July 13, 2013, 09:43:17 AM
Swings and roundabouts the Aussies had the decisions the previous day
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 13, 2013, 01:21:13 PM
If I was Broad I wouldn't have walked 9 out of 10 batsmen wouldn't walk in that situation in this modern era. A great hundred from Bell, today would have hoped for a few more runs. But 311 will be hard to chase down. I'm very much looking forward to seeing how Swann bowls later on.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 14, 2013, 10:23:13 AM
A big day for us today four wickets to win, I think we will do it however I do think it will be a close one. Those late three wickets Yesterday were massive for us, and a great review decision by Cook to get the wicket of Phil Hughes. The new ball is available in nine over times be intrusting to see what happens in the opening passage of play today.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: jsam on July 14, 2013, 01:53:59 PM
Lunch, and the game is on a knife-edge. They need 20, we need one wicket. Test cricket doesn't get better than this. I still fancy we'll do it, but I wouldn't put my mortgage on it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on July 14, 2013, 02:11:31 PM
ODI's and 20twenty cricket has absolutley nothing on Test Cricket.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 14, 2013, 02:55:10 PM
England win by 14 runs. controvesy as Haddin is given not out, but England review and Hot Spot shows the tiniest of nicks.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 14, 2013, 03:11:46 PM
What an amazing game of Cricket, it felt that it had everything records broken, controversy. Some fantastic bowling, some very good batting too. Jimmy Anderson is one hell of a bowler I think now he is just as important to our team as McGrath was to the Australia team. 

Looking forward to seeing how the Aussies come back at Lords on Thursday. The one disappointing was the way Finn bowled in his first spell on the first day he bowled very well, but after that his bowling was pretty average.

I do enjoy watching ODI and the odd T20 but watching those you dont go through the same emotions, I was so on edge today watching it nerves, tension was building just like watching the Albion at times.

Roll on Thursday.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on July 14, 2013, 05:50:51 PM
I do enjoy watching ODI and the odd T20 but watching those you dont go through the same emotions, I was so on edge today watching it nerves, tension was building just like watching the Albion at times.

Roll on Thursday. Report to moderator


Same as you WBA, I love all forms of International cricket and the club T20.
Great game at Nottingham.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbarenno on July 14, 2013, 05:55:52 PM
One thing that does worry me for the series as a whole was the feeling after the game wasnt that england had won it was all about the heart the aussies showed. Its all the tv coverage kept banging on about.If they can build on this we may be in trouble!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on July 14, 2013, 06:39:34 PM
England showed lots of heart during the 1990's however class shines through during a Test Series as a whole.

I think we will win the series 3-1
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 14, 2013, 09:36:56 PM
The DRS was a big factor to England winning this Test. We reviewed Clarke, Hughes and Haddin three very close calls, but Cook made three very good decisions in reviewing it as they were all given out. The Aussies wasted one with an LBW which was quite clearly not out, which cost them as later the Broad incident happened.

 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 18, 2013, 11:50:46 AM
2nd test. England batting first. Currently 28-3 after 6.1 overs.

Cook, root(wrong decision, inside edge on an lbw appeal) and pietersen gone.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 18, 2013, 11:52:15 AM
Root was the right decision for me, its hit the pad before the edge. Absolutely pathetic performance from those three on what looks like a perfect batting pitch.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 18, 2013, 11:56:30 AM
I actually thought at worst they hit the same time. Wedged the ball between bat and pad. Can't see a clear decision on what hit first.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 18, 2013, 11:59:33 AM
The side view was the one that convinced me, there was a small mark appear on the pad before it hits the inside edge and leaves the big mark on the pad. I genuinely think it was the right decision.

We are in a poor position now needing Trott and Bell to hang around for a very long time.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 18, 2013, 01:33:52 PM
Not a great start, the two openers haven't made the best of starts in this series, Trott and Bell looking good though and have put us in a better position. Credit to Clarke put Harris into the team today and he picks up two wickets. Also putting Shane Watson on after four overs and getting the wicket of Cook was a masterstroke.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on July 18, 2013, 03:49:32 PM
Bairstow bowled off Siddle, but called back after it was found that Siddle's front foot was over the the crease, and thus a no-ball.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 18, 2013, 04:13:06 PM
Johnny Bairstow has a habit of getting out to the straight ball thankfully this time it was a no ball this will be something that Gooch and Flower will work on more. I really hope he can get a fifty plus score and get some form and confidence going in his game. Bell looks very good at the crease too. This game is very much in the balance so far, really hope Bell can add another century. Pattison has looked a little out of sorts so far today.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on July 18, 2013, 05:05:32 PM
Bairstow has his 50. Here's hoping Bell can make his 100 by the end of the session
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 18, 2013, 06:10:05 PM
Bell out for 109. Caught behind of smith. Excellent knock. Looking in a strong position now after a poor start. Currently 274-5 after being 28-3.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 18, 2013, 06:37:09 PM
283-7 Smith has come on and has changed the outlook of the game, I feel though that England will have one more partnership in them, should have enough to get past 300 which on any wicket with our bowlers will give them a chance to get out to a similar score to ours. Ian Bell batted extremely well a player who is now really finding form. Johnny Bairstow will be really angry with the shot he played to get out as it was a full toss and should have been put away.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 19, 2013, 11:54:47 AM
England currently 361-9. Broad and Swann hitting some good shots.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 19, 2013, 11:56:49 AM
All out 361. Broad edges behind. Good first innings score IMO.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: up_the_baggies on July 19, 2013, 12:01:05 PM
Not a bad score at all considering the morning of the first day.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2013, 12:01:28 PM
Good to get a competitive score down because it didn't look likely at all yesterday when three of the top four failed to make a contribution.

This is a good deck for batting so we'll need Anderson and Broad to make some early break through with the new ball.

It's a crying shame for Australia that Ryan Harris is rather injury prone.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 19, 2013, 12:05:51 PM
Very pleased to see that Broad is finding some form with the bat, Swann played well too. Still would have wanted us to get at least 400 though.  Ryan Harris has been excellent he was there best seamer by a country mile. I fancy to have a bit of a lead hear. Those runs will give us momentum interesting to see how the Aussies will bat Watson will want to score quickly
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: else on July 19, 2013, 01:19:23 PM
Great timing getting Watson out before lunch.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2013, 01:22:29 PM
Very sporting of Shane Watson to waste one of the Aussie reviews!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 19, 2013, 01:25:44 PM
I always enjoy Watson bat especially those drives that he plays but far too often he gets to thirty and then gets out. He has 21 scores of fifty plus only 2 of those are hundreds. Big wicket for England just before lunch and even better that they wasted one of there reviews. I was pleased it was Tim Bresnan that go the wicket.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Bilston Dan on July 19, 2013, 02:06:42 PM
I always enjoy Watson bat especially those drives that he plays but far too often he gets to thirty and then gets out. He has 21 scores of fifty plus only 2 of those are hundreds. Big wicket for England just before lunch and even better that they wasted one of there reviews. I was pleased it was Tim Bresnan that go the wicket.

Shane Watson is great to watch but I don't think he's quite test standard. That's not because he lacks the ability, far from it. He just lacks the concentration. He'll play beautifully till he gets to about 30 or 40 then he gets himself out. Oh well, it's alright against England. I think Clarke might score a few on this wicket though, but it seems Jimmy has his number. We'll see.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2013, 03:09:51 PM
93-6 now.

They're in disarray. I thought we managed to get out to some silly shots but Australia are giving us a master class in getting out.  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 19, 2013, 03:27:44 PM
93-6 now.

They're in disarray. I thought we managed to get out to some silly shots but Australia are giving us a master class in getting out.  :D

they are not playing well at the moment! i was suprised that many people said about the 1st test that they showed a lot of heart. personally i think the 1st test was theirs for the taking and they bottled it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: up_the_baggies on July 19, 2013, 03:35:34 PM
Another wicket! This could be over today.

96-7
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2013, 03:36:45 PM
personally i think the 1st test was theirs for the taking and they bottled it.

Agreed. Lord's is quite a strong hold as well for Australian cricket. It's nothing like that at the moment. They are well and truly falling apart - Michael Clarke might have to force himself up the order at this rate in future innings. England shall bat again later tonight and really pile the runs on leaving Australia with around two days or more to save the test match.

As I type, England have taken another wicket. A run out. Hilarious.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: HampshireBaggie on July 19, 2013, 03:40:36 PM
could be a follow on
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 19, 2013, 03:53:48 PM
could be a follow on

if a follow on is possible, I wouldn't take bat them out of the game. If England have a good start the bowlers will lose, the lead will increase and the pressure on that very unstable batting line up will increase even further.

Whats also been good today now wicket for jimmy Anderson shows how good of a bowling attack we have, Swann, Bresnan and Broad have all bowled well. Why didn't Rogers review that, Watson and Hughes reviewed were both wasted. Kawaja plays a shocking shot to get out. Haddin just 2 from 34.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Chipperfan on July 19, 2013, 03:59:38 PM
After years of them rubbing our noses in it. As an England fan live for days like these don't you.

Glorious!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2013, 04:58:29 PM
Bowled out for 128.

England are wisely batting again. Time to bat for a day and a bit and really turn the screw. It will also allow the likes of Alastair Cook, Joe Root and Kevin Pieterson some more time to discover some batting form in this series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 19, 2013, 05:04:14 PM
Swann excellent again today he has been an excellent bowler for England over the last four years and I expect him to take more wickets in the second innings. Anyone feel a 5-0 is on the cards on this form, the Aussies must be totally deflated. Really hope the likes of Cook, Root, KP and Prior find some runs. Hoping we also bat many many over and run them ragged.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 19, 2013, 06:57:07 PM
i know its wise after the event but it was a huge mistake to for England to bat again! should have put the Aussies back in again. England closed on 31-3, a lead of 264
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 19, 2013, 07:08:41 PM
i know its wise after the event but it was a huge mistake to for England to bat again! should have put the Aussies back in again. England closed on 31-3, a lead of 264

All it takes is one good partnership and the game changes. I think we did the right thing, ok we have lost three wickets today, but the lower order have scored runs Bell and Bairstow made useful runs in the first innings and the lead is already getting towards 300
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 19, 2013, 07:22:06 PM
All it takes is one good partnership and the game changes. I think we did the right thing, ok we have lost three wickets today, but the lower order have scored runs Bell and Bairstow made useful runs in the first innings and the lead is already getting towards 300

true! i am thinking England should hopefully reach a lead of 400+ which should effectively put the game beyond the Aussies.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 19, 2013, 07:37:02 PM
We should make 400+ lead hopefully. Very much enjoying seeing these Aussies struggle though, some poor shots, run outs, no ball wickets, one or tow chances that Haddin should have gone for, bowling them out for 128. I wasn't really into Cricket when the Aussies were doing that to us, long may it continue for England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 20, 2013, 06:20:33 PM
Utterly dominant day for England. They've given the Aussies a right spanking!

England lead by 556 with Joe Root on 178 not out. I suppose we might give him a fraction of tomorrow morning to reach a double century before declaring leaving us with just under two days to bowl them out.
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Post by: WBASPE77 on July 20, 2013, 06:22:34 PM
I have just seen one of the best batting performances from an opener. Joe Root was excellent today played a vast awry of different shots, solid in defence and has shown today they he can be an opening batsmen and also innings like this prove your worth as a Test Cricketer. Was pleased with the way Tim Bresnan batted today played some good shot and can bat a long time too. Ian Bell who is now enjoying some really good form looked very impressive today and he should have had a third straight century.

The Aussies are clocking up some overs in three of the four innings they have bowled 100 plus overs. I would bat an hour tomorrow, want to see Root get 200 and Bairstow get some runs. Then get stuck into them for two and a half sessions.   
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: FallOutBoy on July 20, 2013, 07:31:57 PM
I have to admit, I doubted England going into this series. I didn't think they'd cope with being favourites, and be able to outplay an Australian side free from that pressure. But the performance today was great.

I hope we can win the series in similar fashion.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 21, 2013, 07:06:30 AM
Bat for an hour today, try and blast it around, declare then get stuck into. Problem is with the Aussies is that they have little confidence when it comes to the DRS, a lot of those batsmen are very positive and I dont see that boding well for them as they need to bat time and not look to score to many runs, so if we keep the run rate down they will then become more erratic and look to play more risque shots.
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Post by: gerry m on July 21, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
48-3 at lunch off 22 overs
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Post by: gerry m on July 21, 2013, 02:47:36 PM
earlier Engand were 1/8 on to win with the draw 25/1 now England are 1/20 on to win but the draw is now 12/1 with Skysports ???
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Post by: WBASPE77 on July 21, 2013, 02:58:38 PM
Shame that Joe Root couldn't get to 200 today. Swann has been excellent yet again today that ball to Rogers was a joy to watch. Clarke and Khawja have looked good together and have been building a good partnership. i hope we can break the partnership soon.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 21, 2013, 04:22:48 PM
Agar just been given out. Original decision was not out, eng reviewed. No hot spot but a faint noise so no clear evidence to overrule the umpire. Yet he did and was given out. Aussies not happy. Didn't look out to me. Controversy again.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 21, 2013, 04:29:57 PM
Agar just been given out. Original decision was not out, eng reviewed. No hot spot but a faint noise so no clear evidence to overrule the umpire. Yet he did and was given out. Aussies not happy. Didn't look out to me. Controversy again.

Whoever made that call to overturn that decision should be sacked. Evidence was nowhere near clear enough to give that.
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Post by: up_the_baggies on July 21, 2013, 06:44:37 PM
Second test in the bag ;D
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Post by: gerry m on July 21, 2013, 06:49:47 PM
despite a poor decsicion, and a spirited tail end the Aussies have been very poor. none of their players seem to have the 'fear' factor. no Warne, McGrath et al. no confidence at all.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 21, 2013, 07:27:22 PM
The Aussies have had some bad luck, find it harsh that they gave Agar out, however we have had some dodgy ones too so it evens itself out.

Englands bowlers were great yet again, must be a great fillet to have a part time spinner get the two batsmen who were in. Over the course of the four days anything and everything has gone wrong from Australia. I dont think having the likes of Waugh, McGrath and Gilchrist around the Australian teams helps those players as it seem to have put added pressure on them. 

England can still play better, as I want to see more runs from Cook and KP. I can honestly see us winning this 5-0 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DudleyBaggieFan on July 21, 2013, 09:01:56 PM
The DRS system is there to overturn a "howler". There was no evidence the umpire made a mistake. Should of stayed not out.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 22, 2013, 09:41:42 PM
Just when you think things couldn't get much worse for the Aussies fast bowler Jame Pattison has been ruled out for the rest of the series. In those two Ashes tests he's bowled pretty well I imagine they may bring back Mitchell Starc, or use Jackson Bird. They wont want to over bowl or play Harris in all of the games due to is injuries worries.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 31, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
Really looking forward to the third Test match tomorrow. Warner could be playing in this one, likelihood is that he will replace Chris Rogers. Also be interesting to see which seamer they replace Pattison with and with the pitch likely to be much more useful for spin, will the play go for the more experienced Lyon over Agar.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 31, 2013, 08:15:00 PM
I expect them to ring the changes - quite simply because they need too. They've been on the back of a heavy beating where their batsman have failed to produce the required runs to actually enable them to bat at least a day. The obvious introduction first up is the return of David Warner in place of Phil Hughes who has looked so short of form, Warner shall bat at 6 with Clarke remaining at 5. Khawaja shall remain at 3 with Steve Smith moving up to 4. I expect them to retain the same opening pair, both didn't compete in their recent tour game and stayed in London to help work on their technique - in particular Shane Watson and his static front leg.

One thing which is noticeable within Australian cricket is their lack of young batting talent coming beneath them. They're well stocked in their bowling department but are incredibly short with the bat in hand and the majority of the batsman they've brought over to England for this series are naturally openers. For a team well blessed many years ago, they are now incredibly short.

I also expect Nathan Lyon to replace Ashton Agar. The latter hasn't done too badly with the bat but as the first strike spinner he's not producing the goods - although his batting might merit a place. I'd also imagine Mitchell Starc would replace James Pattinson although they could opt for James Faulkner in hope he can help re-assure what is a fragile batting line up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: zippyandbungle on July 31, 2013, 08:27:40 PM
I expect them to ring the changes - quite simply because they need too. They've been on the back of a heavy beating where their batsman have failed to produce the required runs to actually enable them to bat at least a day. The obvious introduction first up is the return of David Warner in place of Phil Hughes who has looked so short of form, Warner shall bat at 6 with Clarke remaining at 5. Khawaja shall remain at 3 with Steve Smith moving up to 4. I expect them to retain the same opening pair, both didn't compete in their recent tour game and stayed in London to help work on their technique - in particular Shane Watson and his static front leg.

One thing which is noticeable within Australian cricket is their lack of young batting talent coming beneath them. They're well stocked in their bowling department but are incredibly short with the bat in hand and the majority of the batsman they've brought over to England for this series are naturally openers. For a team well blessed many years ago, they are now incredibly short.

I also expect Nathan Lyon to replace Ashton Agar. The latter hasn't done too badly with the bat but as the first strike spinner he's not producing the goods - although his batting might merit a place. I'd also imagine Mitchell Starc would replace James Pattinson although they could opt for James Faulkner in hope he can help re-assure what is a fragile batting line up.
This may sound daft but does the position they bat at really make any difference?
I'm not a knowledge on cricket but surely batsmen should be comfortable at 1 or 6?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on July 31, 2013, 10:56:22 PM
I think Clarke has a much better record at batting at number five. I wouldn't put Hughes in the top three as he does look far too loose. In terms of young Aussie batters well they are limited we have Joe Root who is looked very promising, Bairstow has done well. Taylor and Ballance too other future England batsmen.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 01, 2013, 01:30:56 PM
This may sound daft but does the position they bat at really make any difference?
I'm not a knowledge on cricket but surely batsmen should be comfortable at 1 or 6?

It makes an awful lot of difference when you've trained yourself to bat in a certain position, against certain conditions and then out of the blue you're dropped down the order in a totally different environment. The greatest example would be Ricky Ponting who has amassed an awful lot of runs and a decent average batting in the upper echelons of the order, however, when he batted at number six, he had nowhere near the same success. Michael Clarke is also very similar, he has proved himself to be a run machine batting at five with a good average yet when he bats at four, the runs and his average prove very susceptible. He averages 21.51 batting at four yet batting at number five he averages 63.41 - coincidentally, 20 out of his 23 test hundreds have came batting at five whereas he's yet to score a ton batting at four.

Naturally the great way to be a successful side is to have players of different techniques and abilities throughout the order. Each position in cricket allows for a trained skill - the roles are incredibly different. For example, you wouldn't want a side of Kevin Pieterson's because naturally for their brilliance, there will also be many failures. In addition, someone like Kevin Pieterson, a destructive batsman would find himself seriously in trouble against a new ball which is swinging both ways - opening batsman have a skill in seeing off the new ball which allows the lower order to amass runs. They need to set a platform batting with patience and skill and great concentration. Furthermore, you wouldn't want a side of Alastair Cook's either because the rate of you scoring runs would bore the nation stiff.

Australia have a squad which is currently very similar to each other. The middle order which in cricket are generally allowed to score quicker is now filled with opening batsmen who are usually patient against a new ball - instead, you are taking players away from their natural game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 01, 2013, 01:33:47 PM
Australia are 92-2 at lunch and yet again we're talking about a disastrous decision from the third umpire.

DRS has been talk of the opening tests but the problem isn't neccesarily DRS, it's the umpires which do not have a clue how to use it. Khawaja was given out on the field by Tony Hill, yet DRS quite clearly proved that their was no contact between bat and ball and the decision should have been over-turned and given not out. Instead, the third umpire deemed the on-field decision to have been the correct one.

Australia have batted very well this morning with great discipline. Chris Rogers has provided them with a solid platform to build on.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2013, 01:41:24 PM
Looked the easiest decision to make to overturn the decision. Can understand the on field Umpire giving the decision as out due to the noise even though it was bat on pad but the Third Umpire is a disgrace for not overturning it as there was clearly no contact with the bat on the ball.

Australia have been poor with their use of review in this series often throwing them away but this time they have lost one through no fault of their own and that could have a real impact later on. They may think twice about reviewing another decision where they would go for it 100% if they knew they would be left with one if it went against them.

There is nothing wrong with the technology its the people using it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2013, 01:44:33 PM
Dont some people on here go to work :)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 01, 2013, 01:48:03 PM
I work nights  :)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Bangkok Baggie on August 01, 2013, 01:55:18 PM
I'm the first to beam a huge grin when England take wickets against the Aussies, but that decision was, quite frankly, embarrassing. No way was there contact made and it was simply not out. Have lots of Aussie mates from my periodic time abroad and it puts a dampener on things when, if in the event of an England victory now, all the banter is about 'fair play', as opposed to the actual cricket. Damn shame.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 01, 2013, 02:22:49 PM
Chris Rogers has batted very well today and has scored his run at a very quick rate too. I was very surprised about the umpire not overturning that decision, there was nothing for them to go on as hotspot and snicko proved not noise of edge from the bat. Really hope we can pick up one or two wickets in this session and force more pressure on them.   
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 01, 2013, 06:31:25 PM
Michael Clarke is also very similar, he has proved himself to be a run machine batting at five with a good average yet when he bats at four, the runs and his average prove very susceptible. He averages 21.51 batting at four yet batting at number five he averages 63.41 - coincidentally, 20 out of his 23 test hundreds have came batting at five whereas he's yet to score a ton batting at four.

I'd like to apologise to the nation for cursing this piece of history.

Australia in a commanding position with Michael Clarke currently 125 not out after coming in at four.

Australia finish the day on 303-3. A much better batting performance from them.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on August 01, 2013, 06:42:02 PM
This Test match has draw written all over it, a ground that first innings wise has been quite fruitful this season and also the fact that its meant to rain alot between tomorrow and Sunday.

The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 01, 2013, 06:47:45 PM
This Test match has draw written all over it, a ground that first innings wise has been quite fruitful this season and also the fact that its meant to rain alot between tomorrow and Sunday.

The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.

We need to hurry up and skittle them!

Can't let Clarke and the weather ruin our chances of 5-0!  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 01, 2013, 07:00:07 PM
We need to hurry up and skittle them!

Can't let Clarke and the weather ruin our chances of 5-0!  ;D

Clarke was going to make a big score sooner or later, the same applies to our batsmen Cook KP and Trott. I hope that we make early inroads tomorrow get them out for hopefully no more thank 120 runs and hopefully rack up a big total ourselves and then who knows. We made 550 in Adelaide and still lost the game in 2005.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 01, 2013, 07:27:32 PM
i think England will be praying for rain :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2013, 07:55:34 AM
Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250
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Post by: WBASPE77 on August 02, 2013, 08:02:54 AM
Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250

We'll make runs, Cook Trott or KP have yet to really get going in this series. The bowlers have to bowl much better today, break this partnership up early and get stuck into them.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: ronnie_allen on August 02, 2013, 09:12:46 AM
The Aussies need to win this to keep the series alive so they cant bat for too long tomorrow if that makes sense.

Best chance in that case may be enforcing the follow-on if they are to sneak a win. So may want to stay in as long as possible but obviously need to score at a decent rate. 

Likely will need at least four days overall of full cricket to have any chance of a result for this match.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 02, 2013, 04:22:40 PM
Aussies declare 527-7. Haddin and Starc with a great partnership at the end, seems these days that a lot of teams have very a lot of bowlers who are very capable of makings runs. Swann bowled well again in this innings. The seamers didn't bowl badly, it was just not offering the bowlers to much.  Time for Cook to make one big score now he and Root haven't made too many runs together so far. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 03, 2013, 01:29:33 PM
Its been a tough morning for England losing two wickets. Cook played well for sixty. KP has had one or two moments but he is now looking good on 33. Pietersen and Ian Bell need to form a really big partnership and take some pressure of the team. Bell may be lucky to still be in as one went past the bat which although there was no sign on hotspot it looked very close. Brad Haddin was adamant that it was out.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 03, 2013, 01:46:36 PM
Whats the betting they skittle us out for 250


Still standing by my prediction
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 03, 2013, 03:56:23 PM
211-4 at Tea. Kevin Pietersen and Ian Bell going very well hope they can both make the three figures and we can avoid the follow on. and the Aussie bowlers are racking up the over, still very confident we can save this test match, possible chance of rain over the next two days.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 04, 2013, 03:34:19 AM
Finished 294-7, didn't see any of it as was playing cricket, but with Prior still there see no reason why we can't push on to 400 tomorrow and easily avoid the follow on (which Aussie wouldn't enforce anyway). We're effectively only 6 down having used a night-watchman.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 04, 2013, 06:17:42 AM
cant help feeling that the Aussies batted for too long! this was a must win game for them and it looks like heading for a draw. which will see us retain the ashes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 04, 2013, 08:58:26 AM
cant help feeling that the Aussies batted for too long! this was a must win game for them and it looks like heading for a draw. which will see us retain the ashes.

I think they batted for too long. I would have felt they should have declared just before tea and had an extra ten overs at us on Friday. Stuart Broad is picking up with the bat of late, and hopefully Prior can find some form these players score quickly so it could be interesting to watch this morning. Hopefully England can bat and bat and bat today, The Aussie have already bowled 120 overs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 04, 2013, 06:06:31 PM
I think they batted for too long. I would have felt they should have declared just before tea and had an extra ten overs at us on Friday. Stuart Broad is picking up with the bat of late, and hopefully Prior can find some form these players score quickly so it could be interesting to watch this morning. Hopefully England can bat and bat and bat today, The Aussie have already bowled 120 overs.

Rain stopped play and the forecast for tomorrow is not good. Australia finished on 172/7, a lead of 331. surely they must declare to give themselves any chance of winning.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 04, 2013, 06:12:13 PM
They should declare straight away in the morning but there is very little chance of England being bowled out - especially with the weather forecast.

Hate to see play being abandoned, this isn't the way I wanted us to win the Ashes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 04, 2013, 06:46:32 PM
Knowing Clarke and his decisions that he has made they will declare and put England in. Its hard to take the Weather out of the aquasion but 331 may still be gettable. Take the top three out we have a the rest of the batting line up like to score fast and with it been a very good batting wicket, it could be a very interesting days play tomorrow.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 04, 2013, 07:02:23 PM
England are not going to be foolish enough to go and chase it - Alastair Cook's captaincy has been conservative and defensive. England will want to be professional tomorrow and just bat the day with no intentions of chasing down the target - even if they did have the intention of chasing it down, it would take the loss of a quick wicket or two for it to be reigned back in and England to plod along.

I remember us doing something similar with South Africa last summer. We were given a reachable target yet after the loss of two quick wickets, England return to a more solidified platform to bat the remainder of the day.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 04, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Having listened to Shane Warne he has spoke a lot that Clarke is a very positive captain and I would have felt that with the weather and also the fact that in all three tests matches England have batted a full day without lost more than five wickets then surely he would want to have as many over as he could today. Also in the five innings so far England have lost early wickets. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 05, 2013, 01:14:07 PM
Lunch on day five 34-3.  The Aussie have bowled very well again today. Pietersen was furious when he was given out as Snicko shows that there was a slight nick however the DRS system shows that the ball didn't touch the bat. Never want rain to stop a game of Cricket but I feel we may need some now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 05, 2013, 03:11:45 PM
Rain stopped play! 37/3. needless to say has done us a big favour. not bothered wether that the rain could save us as long as we draw. love to put one over on the arrogant whineing Aussies :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 05, 2013, 03:50:11 PM
It looks very bleak now and the chances of any play today are very thin. Australia looked a lot better in this Test match, however I dont see them been consistent enough to continue performing like what they have in this game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 05, 2013, 04:54:17 PM
match drawn due to rain. England retain the Ashes, but Australia will be heartened by the way they came back after the disaster of the previous tests.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 05, 2013, 05:19:12 PM
Bit of anti climax in the end - not the way I wanted to celebrate winning the Ashes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 05, 2013, 05:36:26 PM
Would have hoped for a very good final days play really. Well done England very close Test at Trent Bridge, then England showed a lot of quality to thrash them at Lords. Be interesting to see can this Australasia team perform this well in back to back test matches, and there still is a lot of inconsistent within there team.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on August 05, 2013, 06:18:35 PM
utterly and totally outplayed in this test.Someone obviously got their preyer mat out
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 05, 2013, 06:39:56 PM
utterly and totally outplayed in this test.Someone obviously got their preyer mat out

yes! and all that talk of a whitewash! to be fair Australia had to win this game and England did not. it will be interesting to see how Australia play in the next two tests knowing now they cannot win the Ashes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 05, 2013, 06:57:47 PM
I think this is where we'll see the real England come to the forefront. England have played some good cricket throughout the series so far but haven't reached their maximum in my opinion - a lot of it came down to the Australians and their abysmal batting attempts. England are now without any pressure to go and express themselves knowing they've done the business - I would wager that Cook and Trott shall return to their normal standards in Durham - although it'll no doubt be similar tricky conditions.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 08, 2013, 08:28:41 AM
England will come back strong in this Test match, Cook, Trott and Pietersen will start scoring runs again which will really put the Aussies under some pressure. I still think that now Australia haven't won a Test match for a long time they will still be inconsistent. Also will they Pick Harris again back to back Tests and he bowled a lot of overs?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on August 09, 2013, 02:07:57 PM
Going well on 82-1 but is Root really all that
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2013, 02:14:34 PM
Going well on 82-1 but is Root really all that

Yes - you don't score runs like he has at county championship level if you're not a good player.

He's just stepped up to open the batting against a very capable bowling outfit after plying his test trade in the middle of the order - give him chance.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on August 09, 2013, 04:04:46 PM
Whats the word again, utter
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2013, 04:10:29 PM
You take your negativity and pessimism out of my cricket thread and go back to the transfer forum!  ;D
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 09, 2013, 04:24:02 PM
You take your negativity and pessimism out of my cricket thread and go back to the transfer forum!  ;D


 To be fair we are not very good at anything at the moment are we., Just wait until the Scots put it up us next week :) Morrison Dorrans & co
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 11, 2013, 07:48:56 AM
Twice in this Test match we have got ourselves into very good positions. Broad bowled very well Yesterday once he finds his length he is a very good bowler. Ian Bell struggled against the Aussies in 2005 and has turned out to be an exceptional England batsmen. Root will get better it takes time to form an opening partnership, and probably the hardest thing in Cricket along with been a Captain is been an opening batsmen. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 11, 2013, 12:59:05 PM
Root fails again.Australia seem to have more desire than England since Lords
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 11, 2013, 06:47:44 PM
Where do you get the desire argument from?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 11, 2013, 07:11:36 PM
Ian Bell coming to our rescue again with another century - England finish the days play on 234-5 with a lead of 202 which can hopefully be built on tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 12, 2013, 08:13:18 AM
Ian Bell once again fantastic, a brilliant player to watch. England had a good day Yesterday getting those last five wickets for only 48 runs. Cook looked to be on for a very good score before getting out, Bairstow and KP also looked very positive and scored quiet quickly. Root got a really good ball from Harris who looked very impressive once again. A big blow for Australia with Shane Watson going off injured. If and when we get past 250 lead then I think that we will be in the driving seat to win this game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
Well done England.An inspired Broad got us there in the end
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 12, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
it looked all over at 109/1 the Aussies will be kicking themselves! :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 12, 2013, 07:53:29 PM
Terrific day of test match cricket and quite simply a sensational bowling performance from Stuart Broad.

109-0 and to have them bowled out for 224 is no mean feat. The opening partnership set a fantastic platform for Australia to finally win a test match but like the story of their series, their batting order collapsed.

Truly remarkable day of test match cricket - let's finish the series in style at The Oval.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2013, 07:56:49 PM
Another big well done to Ian Bell too
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 12, 2013, 08:18:55 PM
The psycholological advantage must surely be with England for the final test. I still cannot believe that the Aussies blew it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 12, 2013, 08:32:13 PM
The psycholological advantage must surely be with England for the final test. I still cannot believe that the Aussies blew it.

Even with such a good start it was an incredibly difficult winning target when you look at the scores in the other 3 innings, I wasn't overly concerned even at 140 odd for 1. If they had got to double figures required with a few in the shed then you start twitching.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 12, 2013, 08:51:27 PM
They were in more than a comfortable position to go and win the test match - especially at a point where we were looking incredibly nervous and desperate. Regardless of how difficult the target was, they gave themselves a solid platform and like so often throughout this tour their middle order provided a collapse of epic, hilarious, proportions. Gerry makes a good point, all it needs is England to take a few quick wickets in succession and it looks like the whole batting order shall just collapse and more worryingly for Australia, they look unable to prevent it.

Lovely stuff.  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 12, 2013, 09:01:42 PM
What a great win, didn't think we would win that at Tea, but Broad once again was excellent. Strange that we are 3-0 up but yet to score 400, the bowlers have been fantastic all the way through this series each and every one of them have done a job.

Ian Bells batting has been fantastic too his runs have set up for victories. I think it just takes that one Wicket to start the collapse, today it was the Wicket of Warner who looked really good today. Broad bowled Clarke with a real beauty. From then on in it was England's game.

The most important decisions today was Bresnan not been given not out, his and Swanns runs were valuable today.  At times I've said that we should go for Tremlett or Finn over Bresnan but his all round game is better than those too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 19, 2013, 08:59:04 PM
Its a real shame that Tim Bresnan will have to miss the final test, however this will be a great chance Chris Tremlett who will most probably play. I really hope England win this and cap off what has been a fantastic summer and a very good period for the team in all formats of the game. I cant wait for the series in November to win which I think England will win.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 21, 2013, 07:40:30 PM
Its been a tough day for England. Shane Watson batted extremely today. well, its about time he made some big runs. Well done to Jimmy Anderson for surpassing Bob Willis 326 wickets he has now. I was very surprised to see England give Chris Woakes and Simon Kerrigan there debuts there first spells didn't go to well but Woakes looked a lot better in his second spell.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 25, 2013, 07:46:01 PM
5th test match drawn and England win the series 3-0.

With four overs remaining and with England needing 21 runs to win the test match the umpires brought us off for bad light. A disgraceful ending which has robbed the public of a terrific ending to the test match.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 25, 2013, 08:37:20 PM
Gutted that we didn't have the last four over but what a day over 400 hundred runs plenty of wickets and plenty of tension and drama too. We haven't been at our best in this series but we have won the key moments. Its great to see KP and Trott finding some runs in this Test Match too. Roll on November the 21st.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 26, 2013, 10:12:17 AM
Daylight robbery
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on September 18, 2013, 08:24:21 AM
Overall I would say that England have had a very good summer. Winning the Ashes was the big one and to win that was great. Getting to an ODI final also too shows good progression in 50 over Cricket. In the ODI series with the Aussies there were a few new players in that side, Stokes, Jordon, Carberry and Rankin. I all thought they did pretty well and made some good contributions. Not sure about KP and Carberry opening the batting though.

Bring on November the 21st in Brisbane.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 07, 2013, 01:00:20 PM
I'm really looking forward to the Ashes starting in a few days time now. What have other people on here felt about Cook's captaincy? So far is record is excellent seven test wins out of fourteen, winning the Ashes and in India are two fantastic achievements too. I think we will win the forthcoming series as the batsmen will be better due to the pitches been more favorable for our batsmen.

Two places up for grabs who bats at six? Who will be the third seamer?

For me I would g with Bairstow. He showed some promising signs in the last series and I think he will be a better player for the experience. For the third seamer I would go for Finn, but I have a feeling they may give Rankin a try.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 07, 2013, 01:06:01 PM
I think he's done a good job. He had big shoes to follow and I wouldn't listen to the opinions of Shane Warne very much. He's bitter that he was never offered the Australian captaincy. Clarke has to be imaginative because he doesn't have the players like Cook does to get the results needed.

As for the number six position. Bairstow is weakness at the moment and I think we'll look to shore up that middle order. Given Michael Carberry's impressive tour form so far it wouldn't surprise me to see him open with Joe Root dropping down the order in place of Jonny Bairstow. Of course, there is Garry Ballance but I think Brisbane might come too early for him.

Tremlett will be the third seamer, in my opinion. He should have been tested in the final test of the summer to check out his condition. He played very well in the last series and I would give him the third seamer role ahead of Finn who tends to be expensive and Rankin who is relatively new at this level.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 07, 2013, 01:16:32 PM
Those comments from Shane Warne were utter drivel really. Clarke is a very positive captain who will be prepared to lose if if means his team has a chance of winning. Shane Watson could miss the first test, Micheal Clarke however should be fit for it. I am a massive Tremlett fan however my only issue would be will he be the same play from the big injury he has had. I see no reason why we cant replicate the results we had in the summer.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 07, 2013, 10:34:13 PM
Unfortunately for Balance, the combination of the big opening stand and a days rain means it looks as though he'll get very little chance to stake a claim. Agree Carberry to open and Root at 6 looks the most likely now.
3rd seamer is a tricky one as Finn hasn't really fulfilled his potential yet - doesn't matter now but Onions should have gone instead of one of Finn, Rankin, Tremlett.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 20, 2013, 07:29:48 PM
IT RETURNS TONIGHT!  ;D

Prediction time:

England to win the series 2-1 - lose the first test.

Top run scorer: Jonathan Trott

Top wicket taker: Stuart Broad

Best individual score - Clarke 189.

Best bowling figures - Anderson 5-49.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 20, 2013, 09:14:23 PM
Fun!!

Prediction time:

England to win the series 4-0.

Top run scorer: Kevin Pietersen

Top wicket taker: Graeme Swann

Best individual score - Bell 234.

Best bowling figures - Broad 7-62.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 20, 2013, 10:27:42 PM
Prediction time:

England to win the series 3-0

Top run scorer: Cook

Top wicket taker: Stuart Broad

Best individual score - Cook 189.

Best bowling figures - Broad 6-58.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on November 20, 2013, 10:30:05 PM
England to win the series 2-0 -

Top run scorer: Alastair Cook

Top wicket taker: Greame Swann

Best individual score - Alastair Cook 204

Best bowling figures - Broad 7-58.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 20, 2013, 10:41:51 PM
Impressive that none of us have predicted the second best seam bowler in the world to be the top wicket taker.

 :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on November 21, 2013, 12:17:57 AM
What a ball from Broady!!!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 21, 2013, 11:32:36 AM
Days don't come much better than that.

Brilliant from Broady.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 21, 2013, 11:49:18 AM
i managed the first hour, then dropped off to sleep.  great start by our lads, it looks like a good batting pitch, hopefully cook and carberry can get a good innings in.

my prediction:

4-1 to england.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 21, 2013, 12:50:51 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZkF7rBCUAAjacy.jpg:large)

(http://www.owlstalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=23347)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 21, 2013, 02:43:38 PM
was this before or after the 5'er liam??

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 21, 2013, 02:44:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cS4yk3SXTI&feature=youtube_gdata_player



 :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 21, 2013, 03:05:55 PM
Impressive that none of us have predicted the second best seam bowler in the world to be the top wicket taker.

 :D

I'm a  Lancastrian so I love Jimmy, just think Swanny will run through them a couple of times second dig. They should all three get around 20/25 wickets a piece
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 21, 2013, 03:40:55 PM
England to win the series 4-0 -
Top run scorer: Kevin Pietersen
Top wicket taker: Greame Swann
Best individual score - KP 212
Best bowling figures - Swann 6-81

A great first day for us, the Aussie batting collapse once again happens. Some very poor shots from Watson, Warner and Bailey. I loved the fact that Broad picked up five wickets, the Aussies can abuse him as much as they want, it makes him better and it doesn't affect him, same goes for KP.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 21, 2013, 07:46:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cS4yk3SXTI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This is a personal favourite of mine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWAjPDBl818

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on November 21, 2013, 08:01:27 PM
Managed till Lunch at 2 this morning so struggled today, thinking of going to sleep now then waking up at 12.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2013, 12:31:34 AM
Did till tea last night, all-nighter tonight, going to be hard work tomorrow.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 01:06:19 AM
I managed till 3 last night. Hoping to do longer tonight.

Think I might need to do some tactical sleeps from now on!  :D

Didn't take long to skittle them. Two days of England batting would be very nice.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on November 22, 2013, 01:17:41 AM
I struggle in the Lunch break. Got Football Manager to keep me occupied for tonight!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 01:22:04 AM
I watch the cricket lying in bed and the lunch break did me in too.

I might set my alarm so in case I drop off I wake up again  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2013, 01:24:22 AM
I managed till 3 last night. Hoping to do longer tonight.

Think I might need to do some tactical sleeps from now on!  :D

Didn't take long to skittle them. Two days of England batting would be very nice.

State of this pitch I'm tempted to change my highest score of the series prediction. We could bat very very long. An Englishman could hit 300 on this pitch.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 01:27:56 AM
It really is flat. We've done well to restrict them to under 300, especially at a place which is considered to be an Australia strong hold. That being said, its been a while since we actually made a big score in the first innings of a test match away from home - we've been quite poor in the opening test match - the last time we won an opening test away from home came against Bangladesh.

Edit: Cook has gone.

Really like Ryan Harris. Very good bowler and without doubt Australia's best. Just a shame for them that his body doesn't hold up very well throughout a series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2013, 01:32:24 AM
He'll be kicking himself, just played down the wrong line... Trott is soon on with it though :)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 01:34:06 AM
Don't know about you, but I despise listening to Shane Warne..

What a bitter bloke he's turned out to be.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2013, 01:43:14 AM
Don't know about you, but I despise listening to Shane Warne..

What a bitter bloke he's turned out to be.

Last night he seemed to quite equitable in his comments about England, I must admit though I've had the sound muted so far this morning as I've had one eye on the latest episode of Boardwalk Empire.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 01:49:56 AM
Some of his comments about Alastair Cook throughout the summer have been embarrassing.

If he wedges himself any further up Clarke's arsehole he'll be appearing out his mouth next.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2013, 02:05:05 AM
Some of his comments about Alastair Cook throughout the summer have been embarrassing.

If he wedges himself any further up Clarke's arsehole he'll be appearing out his mouth next.

I'll be listening for this now  ;D

Awful time to lose that wicket, very poor from Trott. Reminiscent of yesterday. Am hoping for three sessions of KP.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 02:09:51 AM
S***e delivery, S***e shot, S***e time keeping. Just S***e.

Tbf, ever since that very first delivery he was living a charmed life.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 22, 2013, 04:22:45 AM
he's hit the cover off that, 6 down. Appalling performance by the England batsmen.

EDIT.  Tea 94 for 8... Oh dear.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 22, 2013, 08:37:47 AM
A very poor day for us. Micheal Carberry with 40 the only real positive. Still three days to go and the Aussies are well ahead in this game. I'm hoping for some early wickets and to keep the run rate down. The batting cant get any worse time for the likes of Cook, Trott and KP to stand up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on November 22, 2013, 08:59:42 AM
Ah well !! I can get some sleep tonight! I can't see us batting for 2 days to save the match.............. but you never know we did it last year!. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 22, 2013, 11:59:58 AM
Will setup the series nicely if Aus go on to win this one.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 22, 2013, 12:48:22 PM
back to shane warne, in the summer when the convicts toured england he was quite good to listen to, now we are touring in oz his attitude seems to have changed. Arrogance has set in. i hope we can get something out of this game and shove back down his convict throat.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 02:13:23 PM
That was quite frankly pathetic. I refer you back to my earlier post:

That being said, its been a while since we actually made a big score in the first innings of a test match away from home - we've been quite poor in the opening test match -

Australia will bat all of tomorrow leaving themselves with two days to skitttle us out. Considering we've struggled to bat just over two sessions, I'm not exactly confident that we'll bat two days, especially on a pitch which will show signs of deterioration.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 22, 2013, 02:24:28 PM
hopefully swann can do what lyon has done for them. frankly cant see it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 02:31:11 PM
That I'm afraid comes down to mentality.

Nathan Lyon is your standard spin bowler. He's not brilliant but he's not bad either, he's many in a long list that Australia have tried since Shane Warne - let's not forget, he was ousted in favour of a young lad in the summer! When Graeme Swann receives the ball there is a signal of intent from the Australian batsman that they will not let him settle - see the batting of Haddin and Johnson who forced the pressure back onto ourselves when they decided to attack Swann. We on the otherhand are far to conservative. He is not a brilliant bowler and therefore we should be doing similar, instead, we look to defend and build up pressure upon ourselves which inevitably leads towards a collapse.

This is the same spin bowler which the Aussie selectors didn't want to play until Clarke was granted his wish.

To score 136 on this pitch is nothing short of shambolic but lets face it, it's hardly surprising.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on November 22, 2013, 02:59:30 PM
we've been due a bad innings for a while. hopefully get this out the way, start a fresh, and get back to winning ways.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on November 22, 2013, 03:09:08 PM
England's batting has been nothing short of pathetic for a long time now, probably going back to the home series against India in 2011 (an exception in the away tour of India last year too). Every game virtually features a big collapse, rarely do we pile on big scores, every game virtually is run rates below 3. Scores of 400+ have been very scarce since 2011, compare that to 2010-11 when we were piling on 500+ for fun.

Because often there's one player (Bell last series) who performs, and the bowlers usually do their job very well, we've got away with it a lot of the time but that isn't going to keep happening.

Ironically I think most the problem comes with the players being so concerned about getting out they play so negatively they end up cracking under the pressure. As Liam says, we bring Swann on and the Aussies take that as a chance to go offensive, they bought Lyon on and Carberry and Trott/Pieterson went on block mode straight away allowing pressure to build and obviously a mistake to happen.

We've lost this game baring the weather, and the batsmen need to take a serious look at themselves now. Cook, Trott, Pieterson, Prior, Root. Six games now and not one of them has rose to the occasion for more than one match. Frankly its getting to the point I think Trott should be considered for dropping from the test side, usually he was painfully slow but dug in and stuck around. Now he just gets out so easily every time.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 03:09:41 PM
I think trying to remember when England had a good innings is a more realistic option.

How long has it been since we last notched 400 runs in a test match?

Our batting in the summer wasn't brilliant but we relied on Australia being S***e.

I still think we'll win the series though - just lose this test now we've gifted them the advantage.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 22, 2013, 03:25:28 PM
I think Trott should be considered for dropping from the test side, usually he was painfully slow but dug in and stuck around. Now he just gets out so easily every time.

Lets be honest that won't be happening any time soon. Whilst I admire Jonathan Trott he has a serious problem with his technique - similar to the way we shall target Michael Clarke with the short ball. Trott's reliance to walk towards the ball and across his stumps is making him extremely vulnerable down the leg side and on the short ball, especially to someone of Mitchell Johnson's pace and bounce on these flat Aussie decks.

He was doomed from the first ball when Johnson ruffled him up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 22, 2013, 06:45:37 PM
Everybody was saying after the 1st two tests in England it was going to be a whitewash ( i was thinking similar). The Aussies did well to come back. With home advantage they will get by us 3-0.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 22, 2013, 08:27:40 PM
I'm clutching at straws, but some of these batters are due some big scores. Two days is a long time to bat out, may even be more than that. If we were to lose this Test I am confident of us coming right back with a very good performance we have done it many times before in the past.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on November 23, 2013, 12:52:33 AM
Everybody was saying after the 1st two tests in England it was going to be a whitewash ( i was thinking similar). The Aussies did well to come back. With home advantage they will get by us 3-0.

In my view the Aussies arent good enough to win a 5 match test series against us.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2013, 03:18:03 AM
In my view the Aussies arent good enough to win a 5 match test series against us.

No, but when you bat as poorly as we're doing then they have every chance.

It's now 17 innings since we last notched a score of 400 or more.

Australia are piling on the runs for fun at the moment and it certainly looks like we'll have to bat for two days and a bit. I just hope that our efforts this time round aren't as pathetic as our collapse in the first innings which I would be disgraced to see in school cricket.

Where's the rain?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2013, 03:24:24 AM
Also, a decision needs to be made on Chris Tremlett. He's in the side as third seamer and has looked bang average and obviously not reaching the standards he set himself in 2010. He wasn't lightening quick back then but he wasn't this slow - if he's in there to do an intimidating job and offer Cook some control then he needs to start bowling much quicker - if anything, the containment job should have been given to Graham Onions but I guess the decision looks easier with hindsight. Be interesting to see how fit Tim Bresnan is when he returns from his injury.

If we're looking for pace and bounce, despite how erratic he maybe, I think we'll need to give Steven Finn the opportunity - he might be expensive but he'll take wickets and offer us a different dimension to what we currently have. I don't think any of our bowlers so far have bowled quicker than 85mph - quite a bit slower than Johnson, Harris and Siddle. Boyd Rankin is a wildcard and not one we should be looking to use on this tour unless we have too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 23, 2013, 07:24:03 AM
12-2 already for England! Trott has had another shocker against Johnson. His role in the team has to start being questioned now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on November 23, 2013, 09:11:54 AM
24-2 at close. Oh well might as well right the first one off. :(
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 23, 2013, 10:01:28 AM
Also, a decision needs to be made on Chris Tremlett. He's in the side as third seamer and has looked bang average and obviously not reaching the standards he set himself in 2010. He wasn't lightening quick back then but he wasn't this slow - if he's in there to do an intimidating job and offer Cook some control then he needs to start bowling much quicker - if anything, the containment job should have been given to Graham Onions but I guess the decision looks easier with hindsight. Be interesting to see how fit Tim Bresnan is when he returns from his injury.

If we're looking for pace and bounce, despite how erratic he maybe, I think we'll need to give Steven Finn the opportunity - he might be expensive but he'll take wickets and offer us a different dimension to what we currently have. I don't think any of our bowlers so far have bowled quicker than 85mph - quite a bit slower than Johnson, Harris and Siddle. Boyd Rankin is a wildcard and not one we should be looking to use on this tour unless we have too.
Yes the bowling which everyone thought was looking so strong is suddenly a bit of a worry - less reverse swing because of the Kookaburra ball doesn't suit us. Anderson pace-wise is regulation these days. We certainly need more pace which means one of Finn or Rankin has to play. Finn tends to be a bit expensive and seems a bit flaky mentally, I think Rankin does come into it and he's tended to be more controlled than Finn in the warm ups.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 23, 2013, 10:02:39 AM
....and Swann isn't looking any better than Lyon
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on November 23, 2013, 10:16:49 AM
In my view the Aussies arent good enough to win a 5 match test series against us.

I think at this current time are England good enough to beat the Aussies! Trott needs to be taken out of the firing line. The Aussies quite clearly know his weakness as they pointed out before the series started. As i said before home advantage will be the key.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on November 23, 2013, 11:49:07 AM
I think they are a five match series is a long time.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 23, 2013, 07:55:23 PM
Its still very early days, on a lot of occasion we have played poorly in a first Test and come back really well. Lords 2005, nearly lost against Cardiff 2009. A poor first couple of days in Brisbane 2010
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 23, 2013, 08:14:16 PM
England have to be careful how they bat the next two days.

It is vitally important that we score runs - not to win the test, but to try to relieve pressure and put the pressure on Michael Clarke. That will mean needing to dictate the pace of the game when Nathan Lyon arrives and not revert into our shells and into an ultra blocking session where we just create further unnecessary pressure upon ourselves.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 24, 2013, 07:18:39 PM
Pathetic.

Think that's the word that best sums it up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on November 25, 2013, 08:25:06 AM
Trott is out of the tour with a 'stress related illness' which he has been suffering with now for some time. Makes Warner's comments about him being 'poor and weak' even worse now. One thing he is, is a thug!!!

Who do we think should replace him?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on November 25, 2013, 08:31:00 AM
Trott is out of the tour with a 'stress related illness' which he has been suffering with now for some time. Makes Warner's comments about him being 'poor and weak' even worse now. One thing he is, is a thug!!!

Who do we think should replace him?

Not just a 'thug' but a thick thug!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on November 25, 2013, 10:27:57 AM
Very sad to hear that Jonathan Trott is leaving the tour. However this probably is the best thing for him and the England team. Hopefully he will recover and will come back into the England set up soon. It will be interesting to see how England will go now. I think Nick Compton should maybe come into the side, they may push Joe Root up to three.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 25, 2013, 06:24:54 PM
Yes I think Compton - I would leave Bell and Root where they are to hopefully give strength in the middle.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 26, 2013, 07:14:50 PM
The right decision to let him go home and get the appropriate rest he needs - especially with Perth not too far away, a pitch with plenty of pace and bounce - not at all been impressed with some of the actions of the Australian players throughout the first test.

As for his replacement, move Ian Bell up to three and insert either Ben Stokes or Gary Ballance into the middle order.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: royhan on November 26, 2013, 07:21:39 PM
The right decision to let him go home and get the appropriate rest he needs - especially with Perth not too far away, a pitch with plenty of pace and bounce - not at all been impressed with some of the actions of the Australian players throughout the first test.

As for his replacement, move Ian Bell up to three and insert either Ben Stokes or Gary Ballance into the middle order.

.... and at the same time tell the England players not to throw their dummies out of the pram and give interviews to the Australian media like any mature persons in their positions would.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 26, 2013, 07:28:07 PM
.... and at the same time tell the England players not to throw their dummies out of the pram and give interviews to the Australian media like any mature persons in their positions would.

I guess they're informed that they must carry out their media duties to both the English and Australian media - certainly haven't seen anybody throwing their dummies out the pram, though.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: royhan on November 26, 2013, 11:45:39 PM
I guess they're informed that they must carry out their media duties to both the English and Australian media - certainly haven't seen anybody throwing their dummies out the pram, though.
A number of England players were shown on TV ignoring questions from the Aussie media.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 27, 2013, 05:52:14 PM
A number of England players were shown on TV ignoring questions from the Aussie media.

I never noticed that if truth be told - if that's the case then fair play to them. The reporting from the Australian courier mail has been ridiculous.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 27, 2013, 10:30:12 PM
Depending how Bresnan's back holds up to bowling I would imagine his 57* today will see him drafted in for the second test.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 03, 2013, 09:15:08 AM
I really hope we can have a great fightback in this Test. Ian Bell could be batting at three for this one. Surely we cant bat that poor again, players like KP, Prior, Root are due some runs. Not sure who they are going to go with to replace Jonathan Trott with.

Come on England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on December 03, 2013, 09:24:03 AM
I cant see England retaining the Ashes.Too much fire in the Aussie bellies
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: deejay on December 04, 2013, 07:17:40 AM
look out for the 6 foot Adelaide baggies St Georges cross at the Adelaide oval this week
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 04, 2013, 11:02:38 AM
look out for the 6 foot Adelaide baggies St Georges cross at the Adelaide oval this week


Nice one but i do think it will be the only thing to celebrate in this test
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 04, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
Lot of doom and gloom on here. I think we'll win this test in 4 days giving a big boost before Perth.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 04, 2013, 06:57:03 PM
Okay we did play very poor in the first Test match, and Jonathan Trott going home is a big blow. Their is still four games to go I am very confident that we can bounce back. Hopefully we can bat first make a big total, and get those bowlers tired. Come days four and five the pitch will do more, which hopefully will where Swann will come into play.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 06, 2013, 11:53:07 AM
Well its been a very tough couple of days, however right at the end of day 2 we did have some luck, as the Aussies should have reviewed one which would have been given out.Ben Stokes has done ok on debut hoping he makes some runs later on 335 more runs to avoid the follow on these players need to bat big.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 06, 2013, 10:25:07 PM
Sloppiness has cost us 289 runs and with that the game.

Only Perth next for England - a place where we never win.

We'll collapse tonight.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 07, 2013, 08:35:35 AM
Sloppiness has cost us 289 runs and with that the game.

Only Perth next for England - a place where we never win.

We'll collapse tonight.

Spot on. I watched it, it wasn't pretty, but you'd think Mitchell Johnson was Wasim Akram in his pomp the way Prior and the tail failed to get in behind the ball.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on December 07, 2013, 10:44:42 AM
Can we afford to continue with Prior & Root-non existent as batsmen, how did we get to this?!, I am beginning to believe Warner, who intimated that we are scared of Mitchell!.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 07, 2013, 11:27:22 AM
We are scared of Mitchell Johnson - we're just being foolish denying it.

I could spot the England collapse a mile off. We've thrown this test match away and then we move onto Perth, an unhappy hunting ground for England - a ground with pace and bounce - god help us.
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Post by: Dudleylad on December 07, 2013, 11:50:41 AM
Your spot on Liam they do fear him and honestly I cannot understand why hes a very good bowler but not a patch on some we have faced in the last 10-15 years.

Our batsman should be good enough and patient enough to see him off.

This series as been a big disappointment in my view too much talk and not enough action.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 07, 2013, 11:57:07 AM
This series as been a big disappointment in my view too much talk and not enough action.

We came into the series woefully under prepared and very over confident..

Despite not playing any good cricket for at least 16 months or so.

We were fortunate in the summer that Australia were poor with the bat. Now they've shown what a bit of fight, aggression and attitude can do. Meanwhile, we've waved the white flag.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on December 07, 2013, 12:15:23 PM
Some of the batting performances this series have been nothing short of pathetic. Our 'captain' Alistair Cook has shown how terribly out of form he is and his defensive tactics which very nearly failed in the last series have been catastrophic and failed so badly.

KP, Prior, Root and even the bowlers like Anderson and Swann have been very poor.

Only people who can come out of the series so far with any credit at all is Carberry and Bell.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 07, 2013, 12:54:28 PM
Your spot on Liam they do fear him and honestly I cannot understand why hes a very good bowler but not a patch on some we have faced in the last 10-15 years.

Our batsman should be good enough and patient enough to see him off.

This series as been a big disappointment in my view too much talk and not enough action.
Johnson consistently bowling 94 mph is the huge factor - we haven't faced many or any that quick in the past 10-15 years and this batting line up won't have. Prior, Broad and Swann who have given us a strong lower order in recent years just can't handle his pace.
Just in defence of Cook, the ball he got moved 2 inches off the pitch, when a ball travelling at 94 mph suddenly changes direction when it pitches a couple of foot away, no batsman has got a prayer.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 07, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
Johnson did bowl well, but how bad were the shots that KP and Root got out too. Carberry looked good Yesterday took Lyon on as did Bell. I think the Aussie will have an hour or so on day four then bowl us out within the day. I see another collapse coming.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 08, 2013, 05:04:55 AM
Root is batting well today and needs persisting with, though I'd still want Bell at 3. Strength in depth looks to be a big problem all of a sudden with us struggling for a decent 3rd seamer and a number 6. Is there a wicket keeper anywhere even putting the slightest pressure on the very poor Prior?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 08, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
Eng;land finished 247-6 Joe Root batted very well and KP made some runs. Ben Stokes battled for two hours and made 28 and then at the end Prior not out on 31 and Broad on 22, still a long way off but it was better today. Their may be some rain Tomorrow lets up there is.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 09, 2013, 05:59:22 PM
Lot of doom and gloom on here. I think we'll win this test in 4 days giving a big boost before Perth.

Looks like the doom and gloom wasn't misguided  :D

The Ashes are lost as far as I'm concerned. If we're struggling on batting wickets like Adelaide then how on earth are we going to cope in Perth?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 09, 2013, 06:35:04 PM
Nah mate, spirited draw in Perth then win the last two. Ashes retained!!  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 09, 2013, 07:15:07 PM
Someone has started early with their festive drinking!  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 12, 2013, 10:25:37 PM
Perth tonight - expecting some changes - Swann and Panesar to be dropped with Bresnan and Steven Finn coming into the side.

Not holding much hope for the test match. If we're struggling to bat on a flat deck at Brisbane and a drop in pitch in Adelaide then I fear for us in Perth.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 13, 2013, 09:53:43 PM
Yet again we get the Aussies in a good position and then let them back in the game. Very surprised that none of Steve Finn, Chris Tremlett or Boyd Rankin have started this game. I really don't fancy us to get much from this Test Match. Its such a shame that these two back to back series look over before we get to the fourth test.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 13, 2013, 11:45:48 PM
Yes it was a very safety first selection just bringing back Bresnan. With the situation as it is in the series and knowing what the Perth wicket is like, we just had to bring in Finn or Rankin.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 14, 2013, 02:49:43 PM
England finished 180-4 still 205 runs behind. The game is very much in the balance. I really hope Ian Bell and Ben Stokes can bat as well as what they did towards the end. We need someone to make century still not to have a centurion on this tour so far. KP again playing a stupid shot, Root unlucky with his dismissal too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 14, 2013, 02:52:16 PM
Cant help feeling there is going to be another collapse here.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2013, 01:33:29 AM
I have faith in Bell, not so much the rest, if we can get to 320 then we're in the test.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2013, 03:26:16 AM
Disastrous morning... I'd suggest we need a new wicketkeeper...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 15, 2013, 03:27:16 AM
Just shocking Stokes and Prior have just thrown their wickets away game and series over now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on December 15, 2013, 03:58:02 AM
The mentality in this team is all wrong, the Aussies have been good but the same things happen against all countries nowadays.

Bowling wise every single team's tail puts on a strong show against us, gives the opposition far better scores than they should have. I get the feeling that they must just think the job is done or something, because its literally every single game now that they can't remove the tail. Usually they get smashed all over the place too.

Batting wise its just pathetic, far too negative. Dullest side to watch in the world and not even effective at it. Our batsmen basically just eat up overs till they nick one or get out LBW. The reason none of them are getting hundreds is because the pace we bat at they'd have to be out there 2 days to reach triple figures!

It's a terrible side and in some ways I'm glad that the cracks have truly ripped open. The teams been pathetic since the summer of 2011 and this has been coming a long while - far too long has this side got by on one or two players bailing out the entire side. Scrap Cook as captain - he's a terrible captain and its affecting his batting, get rid of Pieterson and Prior out the side who are living off past glories now too. Bowling wise i'm not too sure what they can do but Anderson's not the wicket threat he was anymore, that's the biggest problem, whilst we have no consistent 3rd option. Bresnan isn't the answer, and Finn seems ruined by these attempts at changing his run up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 15, 2013, 05:45:32 AM
The mentality in this team is all wrong, the Aussies have been good but the same things happen against all countries nowadays.

Bowling wise every single team's tail puts on a strong show against us, gives the opposition far better scores than they should have. I get the feeling that they must just think the job is done or something, because its literally every single game now that they can't remove the tail. Usually they get smashed all over the place too.

Batting wise its just pathetic, far too negative. Dullest side to watch in the world and not even effective at it. Our batsmen basically just eat up overs till they nick one or get out LBW. The reason none of them are getting hundreds is because the pace we bat at they'd have to be out there 2 days to reach triple figures!

It's a terrible side and in some ways I'm glad that the cracks have truly ripped open. The teams been pathetic since the summer of 2011 and this has been coming a long while - far too long has this side got by on one or two players bailing out the entire side. Scrap Cook as captain - he's a terrible captain and its affecting his batting, get rid of Pieterson and Prior out the side who are living off past glories now too. Bowling wise i'm not too sure what they can do but Anderson's not the wicket threat he was anymore, that's the biggest problem, whilst we have no consistent 3rd option. Bresnan isn't the answer, and Finn seems ruined by these attempts at changing his run up.

Good post mate, I'll only disagree on a couple of points ;) Pietersen must play and Anderson is the best bowler in the world in English conditions and easily in the top ten away from blighty.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 15, 2013, 07:28:21 AM
We have been appalling, not just the case that the Aussies have bowled well but some of the shots that we have played have been very very poor. Their will be a lot of questions at the end of this series. Matt Prior has been on a very poor run for some time now. I dont know why none of Tremlett, Finn or Rankin have not played in this Test match.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 15, 2013, 06:02:55 PM
I would agree with, Dan. We've papered over the cracks and now we're getting exposed.

Time for some changes after this series has been wrapped up. Out with the old and in with the new.

In the opening three test matches, they have embarrassed our shirt against what is a mediocre Australian side.

Just think of the damage that could be happening had McGrath, Warne, Ponting, Hussey, Hayden and Langer been facing this lot of bottle jobs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 15, 2013, 09:23:40 PM
This makes for horrendous viewing:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbjlGl_CEAAu37C.jpg:large)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Semaj Riatsila on December 16, 2013, 03:32:44 AM
Aussies putting England to the sword.  No chance of England winning here at the WACA draw at best! but can only see the Aussie bowling them out early by the 4th morning.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 16, 2013, 02:32:57 PM
251-5 England, at last some fight and very positive batting. Ben Stokes batted beautifully a great timer of the ball and the took on Johnson and played some great shots 72 no. Ian Bell played very well for 60 too. We may lose this series but one big plus is Ben Stokes, very early yet in his career and development but for a player who got so much flack when he came out to bat in the last Test to then perform like this is very good.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 16, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
Ben Stokes showing the senior players how to do it.

I've become fed up of Kevin Pieterson - the remainder of this series has gone. I'd actually give Gary Ballance the opportunity alongside Jonny Bairstow ahead of Matt Prior (depending on his score in this innings), Panesar in for Swann and Finn in for Stuart Broad if he's injured.

A lot of talk has been mentioned about Sam Robson and his potential to fit into the England side - another thing which was viewed as a positive was Jos Buttler's move to Lancashire to allow him to take up the gloves permanently - he has a lot of learning to do, however if England are going to opt for him in the test match environment.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 16, 2013, 10:52:41 PM
Anderson hasn't shown enough since mid summer at home. He really looks as though something's missing competitively. Wish Onions was there to replace him.
Broad if fit is the only bowler guaranteed a place for me. I do think that the bowlers are just as much to blame as the batsmen who have copped most of the flack.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 16, 2013, 11:25:36 PM
In fairness to the bowlers and I'm not denying that they have been poor, but this is their first poor series in an awfully long time. They have been carrying the side for quite a while, covering up our inability to bat.

There was always going to be a problem when the bowlers weren't taking wickets or containing the opposition and unsurprisingly, it's highlighted our glaring weaknesses with the bat.

Australia isn't really made for a Graham Onions type bowler - it was either him or James Anderson - then again, I don't think he would have done any worse than Anderson or Tremlett who have both flattered to deceive on this tour.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: cuckfield1704 on December 17, 2013, 11:52:35 AM
Having been quite lucky at vital times during the series in England the England camp + 'informed' commentators, aka Ian Botham, seemed to think it was going to be easy.
The arrogance has been well and truly knocked out of them.
Prior and Swan's time is probably up likewise Pietersen, 8000 test runs or not, is a nightmare to manage so has to go to.
Bairstow is nowhere near a good enough wicketkeeper for test level, Butler is and useful with the bat too so give him go and if Alistair Cook has had enough of the captaincy give the job to Ian Bell.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 17, 2013, 12:31:02 PM
Prehaps questions should be asked over Andy Flower. His job as Head Coach is surely to motivate and this does not appear to be happening. The Aussies wanted it more, England got rattled by ths sledging and therefore bottled it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 17, 2013, 03:20:07 PM
Their is an uncertainly about Andy Flowers contract could be an issue. From 2009 till the summer as a team we have played some great Cricket. The bowlers haven't performed but when you don't have runs to play with it does change as you cant build pressure on batsmen.

Although I'm really disspointed with the result and manner of the defeat I think we will have some changes happening soon. Stokes looks really good, once Root is in the middle order and Bell is at three we will be a better batting side.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 17, 2013, 06:31:34 PM
Prehaps questions should be asked over Andy Flower. His job as Head Coach is surely to motivate and this does not appear to be happening. The Aussies wanted it more, England got rattled by ths sledging and therefore bottled it.

I think the likelihood was that, regardless of who won this Series, that Andy Flower would probably be leaving at the end of it. Our hammering so far will only cement that, in my opinion. He was asked the question regarding his future at the end of the summer series and refused to give a definite answer about whether he was involved for the long term. With Ashley Giles taking up the reigns in the one day games, it wouldn't surprise me to see him being awarded with the position for all three facets of the game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 22, 2013, 12:49:25 AM
Graeme Swann has retired from all forms of cricket.

Slightly surprised at the timing of the decision but nothing surprises me on this farce of a tour.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 22, 2013, 01:04:23 AM
Wonderful player arguably our best ever spinner, perhaps Laker would have something to say about that but nobody else. He leaves a massive hole in the team. Nothing odd about the decision the series is gone, gives another spinner much needed experience down under.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on December 22, 2013, 03:53:43 AM
Wonderful player arguably our best ever spinner, perhaps Laker would have something to say about that but nobody else. He leaves a massive hole in the team. Nothing odd about the decision the series is gone, gives another spinner much needed experience down under.

Well it'll just be Panesar who takes over for this series now. Panesar's not the future but given the horrific performance Kerrigan gave on his debut, I wouldn't be too surprised if he's the main spinner going into the summer series either, though hopefully Kerrigan will be given a chance in the Sri Lanka tests.

Still, the team does feel stale, it could do with a new era, although it'll take a couple of years for the new guys to bed in.

Cook, Root, Bell, Ballance, Taylor, Stokes, Bairstow (wk), Broad, Meaker/Mills?, Finn, Kerrigan.

Something like that for the side for the return Ashes. Although the selectors don't seem to like Taylor too much for whatever reason, maybe that Sam Robson instead who seems rated. Likewise hard to select a 3rd seamer, Mills they seem to rate as a genuine pace option but he's got someway to improve yet.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 22, 2013, 04:08:16 AM
Re: the spinner. They can call anyone in the world up if they want.

Cook will rightly lose the captaincy after this series and there will be no dropping of either Pietersen or Anderson (our two best players) also more likely Buttler will be the next long term wicket keeper, not a batsman having a go at it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on December 22, 2013, 09:31:18 AM
Re: the spinner. They can call anyone in the world up if they want.

Cook will rightly lose the captaincy after this series and there will be no dropping of either Pietersen or Anderson (our two best players) also more likely Buttler will be the next long term wicket keeper, not a batsman having a go at it.

They can but they're hardly going to include a second spinner in the squad then call somebody up over him when its actually his chance to play. Panesar's a certainty to start these next two tests (unless he gets injured anyway).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 22, 2013, 10:22:26 AM
Swann was a great player for us, and it will be a shame to see him go. However it will look like Monty will be around for a few more years yet. I very much doubt that Cook will lose the captaincy as this is the first series that he has lost as captain out of five.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 22, 2013, 05:58:41 PM
I wonder if Swann was informed he was going to be dropped and then decided to call it a day - that of course is heresay but I cannot deny that it is a very selfish decision. If he was planning to retire at the end of the series but has since moved it forward because the series is lost, then yet again, that is a very selfish decision. You can bet your bottom dollar that this wouldn't be happening had we been leading the series. Everything that could possibly have gone wrong in this series has gone wrong.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 22, 2013, 07:27:48 PM
I don't think much of Swann's decision. When you make yourself available for a tour you shouldn't just retire half way through. If you're injured or ill then fair enough pull out but otherwise you should see out the full tour and back up your team mates whether in the team or out of it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 22, 2013, 07:33:35 PM
Re: the spinner. They can call anyone in the world up if they want.

Cook will rightly lose the captaincy after this series and there will be no dropping of either Pietersen or Anderson (our two best players) also more likely Buttler will be the next long term wicket keeper, not a batsman having a go at it.
Anderson has been a pale shadow in his last 6 tests - he's not un-droppable. Bell has been our best batsman over the last 12 months. Butler has moved to Lancashire to work on his keeping as he wasn't keeping wicket much for Somerset. He's a talent but is he ready to be keeper in 5 day tests ? - no.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 22, 2013, 09:15:19 PM
This very good England side over the last four years is breaking up. I still think Jos Buttler will be the ODI keeper. I don't see the end of Matt Prior as I think he will come good again. I think if Swann felt that his body couldn't do it now then why didn't he retire at the end of the summer.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 28, 2013, 12:50:05 PM
Another batting horror show! All out for 179. Aussies on 30-0 needing 200 to win.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 29, 2013, 03:33:45 AM
Another easy win for the Aussies 233-2 makes it 4-0.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 29, 2013, 08:17:56 AM
Simply shocking to be 50-0 at lunch to 179 all out was poor,we had a great chance to win this Test Match and we have been beaten easy. Lets hope we can salvage something at Sydney but even that looks very unlikely.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2013, 11:25:41 AM
England lost 8 wickets for seven runs.

They are an absolute disgrace. They are worrying themselves that much against Mitchell Johnson that they are now getting out to ridiculous shots against an average spin bowler.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 29, 2013, 12:38:42 PM
England lost 8 wickets for seven runs.

They are an absolute disgrace. They are worrying themselves that much against Mitchell Johnson that they are now getting out to ridiculous shots against an average spin bowler.

Exactly! Some of the shots you would not expect only from a pub team tailender ???
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on December 29, 2013, 12:40:34 PM
I think Cook needs to look at himself yesterday, his use of his bowlers was very poor.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 29, 2013, 12:44:36 PM
I think Cook needs to look at himself yesterday, his use of his bowlers was very poor.

I was going to point this out. To give Joe Root two separate spells ahead of the chosen spinner Monty Panesar is ridiculous. What sort of message does that send out? More annoyingly for me was our bowling at Nathan Lyon the other morning. Why were we persisting with the short ball? Let's bowl line and length and get the ball in an around the stumps.

His captaincy deserves to be criticised but he will no doubt keep the role.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on December 29, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
Cooks captaincy has been very poor this series. We bowled far too much short stuff to Lyon, line and length and bowl at the wickets. The bowling this series has been good at times but we simply haven't had the runs to back up the bowlers. This has been the worse series that we have had in a long time. Hopefully we can get something positive in Sydney.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on December 29, 2013, 01:46:17 PM
The entire team needs a revamp really. Too stale, the batting has been awful since the India home series in 2011 really, particularly away, where with the exception of the India away series its been utterly shambolic. Not only are they awful at batting they're the most boring batting side in the world too, virtually every match is a run rate below 3, often down to around 2.5.

The worst part of the team for me though this series has been the fielding - the only reason for such poor fielding is laziness and not taking the practice serious. Even yesterday another 2 easy catches put down. As much as the bowling has been bad, with the amount of catches being put down every single innings we're essentially asking the bowlers to take about 5 extra wickets per innings.

Flowers and the coaches like Gooch need to go. Cook needs to go as captain as our best batsmen is now a liability and his decisions are always conservative - England need a captain like Clarke. Broad I think would take over and be a much more aggressive style, but its highly unlikely Cook will give up the captaincy. Away from that i'd say the selection needs a shake up but a lot of the replacements are questionable - we've seen with Bairstow he's not up to standard (his glove work has been poor too), so can we drop Prior? Any talk of Jos Buttler is far too premature, anyone who saw his batting in the ICC champions trophy where he was repeatedly bowled by the most innocuous of balls can see he's a long way to go before ever playing test cricket.

This is for me the worst result in England's history. That they're on the verge of whitewash to a Australia team they just beat 3-0, who have a good bowling attack, but are still a pretty poor batting side (Clarke is excellent but the rest range from average to poor), and what's more, haven't been competitive in a single game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 02, 2014, 10:06:22 PM
Changes expected for England - Borthwick, Ballance and Rankin expected to be given debuts.

Our middle order will consist of rookies.

Good luck preventing the white wash, lads.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 02, 2014, 10:37:12 PM
Changes expected for England - Borthwick, Ballance and Rankin expected to be given debuts.

Our middle order will consist of rookies.

Good luck preventing the white wash, lads.

They can't do any worse than what they're replacing. 4 for 6, 5 for 9 etc. Hopefully one or two of them show a bit of character and grasp the nettle.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 04, 2014, 11:57:17 AM
Just when you think this Tour couldn't get any worse 155 all out we trial by 311 runs only on day too. I think its time for Kevin Pietersen to end his career now he has been so poor, he has always been a player who never really gets into form as for a player of his quality he does get a lot of low scores. Ben Stokes has looked very promising and is certainly one for the future. Broad has done ok on this tour. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 04, 2014, 07:29:39 PM
Just when you think this Tour couldn't get any worse 155 all out we trial by 311 runs only on day too. I think its time for Kevin Pietersen to end his career now he has been so poor, he has always been a player who never really gets into form as for a player of his quality he does get a lot of low scores. Ben Stokes has looked very promising and is certainly one for the future. Broad has done ok on this tour.
Pietersen is the top England run scorer in the series. I can think of about 9 other players I'd rather get rid of.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 04, 2014, 09:01:24 PM
I wouldn't expect 23/5 in School cricket.

I feel for KP in some way. He has carried a lot of the flak and many of the others have gone unscathed when their performances have been just as bad if not worse.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on January 04, 2014, 09:10:03 PM
Australia have bowled far, far better than us and despite having an unspectacular batting line-up they have obviously batted far better than us.

As a couple of times in the past, we have to go back to the drawing board and number one priority is working out how to produce genuine 90 mph bowlers. Johnson has changed the whole picture and Harris and Siddle have been intelligent backing him up.....and Lyon has been better than any of our spinners.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on January 04, 2014, 09:10:10 PM
I believe many years ago the late Tony Grieg described i think it was New Zealands poor bowling against England as 'Cafeteria' bowling. I think its fair to say that Englands batting could be described as 'Cafeteria'.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on January 05, 2014, 08:51:48 AM
Another pathetic surrender. All out for 166. Feel sorry for the people who paid good money to watch this crap.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 05, 2014, 09:15:36 AM
Well thankfully that is all over, as I couldn't bear another day of that series. Only Stuart Broad and Ben Stokes can take anything away from that series as positive, the rest were an utter shambles. Too many changes cost us in games, the amount of poor shots that batsmen played was unbelievable. Things like Joe Root batting at three, Cook's captaincy at a lot of times during the series was very poor too. On the flip side I am looking forward to this new England team, Stokes, Ballanace, Borthwick, maybe Bairstow. Hopefully we can learn from this and when they come in 2015 we can get revenge.   
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on January 05, 2014, 10:22:33 AM
hmmm I don't think we'll bother revisiting our pre series predictions  :-X At least I don't think any of us were as far out as Botham's 5-0 England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 05, 2014, 12:49:47 PM
hmmm I don't think we'll bother revisiting our pre series predictions  :-X At least I don't think any of us were as far out as Botham's 5-0 England.

That's the worst thing about the whole sorry tour, even the most partisan Aussies didn't see it coming. Lunch on the first day of the first test seems like years ago  :(
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 05, 2014, 05:39:24 PM
Going back to the first day of the Brisbane Test Match the Aussies were 140-6. In the second, third test and fourth matches we got their top order out quite cheaply in the first innings.  At least we can hopefully look forward to a new England team some new players and hopefully a very bright future.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on January 05, 2014, 07:10:20 PM
Like botham said. Embarrassing
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 05, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
I've never been so ashamed to follow England in cricket - this defeat, or hammering is far worse than the white wash defeat we suffered in 06/07.

I've seen a lot of people talking about 're-grouping'. For me, the word we need to use is 're-building'.

This is an average Australian side and they have beaten us comfortably. I think we'll see the true hallmark of their attack when they face South Africa in the not to distant future. It's at that point when we'll find out whether they were very good or whether England's batting was just diabolical.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on January 05, 2014, 09:36:29 PM
The reason it is so much worse than 06/07 is because the team is no where near as good. Only Clarke would get in the 06/07 team. Maybe Johnson for Gillespie at a push.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 07, 2014, 04:43:16 PM
Start again is what we need to do and pick what the selectors view as the best team and give it a chance to gel. Over the past six months we have had six debutantes. I feel that its far too many. We have an awful lot of Cricket coming up especially ODIs. My team for the summer series would be

Cook C
Carberry
Bell
Pietersen
Root
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Bresnan
Panaser
Anderson
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on January 07, 2014, 04:52:19 PM
Start again is what we need to do and pick what the selectors view as the best team and give it a chance to gel. Over the past six months we have had six debutantes. I feel that its far too many. We have an awful lot of Cricket coming up especially ODIs. My team for the summer series would be

Cook C
Carberry
Bell
Pietersen
Root
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Bresnan
Panaser
Anderson


Thats pretty much the team who have just been hammered 5-0
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 07, 2014, 06:00:31 PM
I feel Panesar and Carberry will see their chances limited at international cricket from now on. Age doesn't do them any favours and both didn't impress on the tour - despite Carberry being our second highest run scorer. The interesting dilemma is what they do with Joe Root considering he has been poor in both series' and ended up being dropped for the final test.

Cook, (new player), Bell, Pietersen, Ballance, Stokes, Prior, Broad, Borthwick, (new player), Anderson.

Tim Bresnan, Chris Jordan, Jamie Overton, Tymal Mills, Stuart Meaker and Steven Finn will see the remaining bowling slot as there's and the shoot out will start for that. Boyd Rankin didn't cover himself in glory in the final test and Chris Tremlett looked woefully short of the bowler who was such a force in 2010. Borthwick will need to prove himself further as a spinner and I would imagine he will get the chance to do that considering Kerrigan got booted around The Oval on his debut. Although he is slightly raw the option of having Pietersen and Root chip in as spinners allowing Borthwick time to enhance his game at Durham is another option.

As for the new batsman. Sam Robson and James Taylor have both been muted but none are really going to be considered as test openers so the onus will probably fall on Joe Root to make that position his own. Robson and Taylor will then fight Gary Ballance for the remaining slot assuming Kevin Pietersen has the hunger for the game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on January 07, 2014, 06:53:18 PM
I think Onions should get a fair crack now. Fact is he is comfortably a better bowler now than any of the 'prospects'. He's only 31 (3 years younger than Ryan Harris) so will hardly be past it for the Ashes in 2015.
I think he would have bowled well on some of the wickets in Australia especially Sydney where there was quite a bit of seam movement.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 11, 2014, 11:49:37 AM
Graham Onions always gets overlooked and I always feel its worth having a bowler like him around as he offers something different and I think specially in England he is very effective.. We do have a lot of big 6"5 plus seamers. His test stats are pretty good 32 wickets in nine tests at just below 30. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 17, 2014, 01:09:00 PM
I cannot believe England lost that one Australia still needing 60 runs to win with i wicket left. Bring them home and flog them now
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 17, 2014, 05:19:00 PM
It was appalling we should have won that game. Our best chance to salvage something and now the ODI series has gone. Chris Jordon has looked pretty good so far and Jos Buttlers batting has improved which are postives. I bet those players cant stand been out in Australia for another day.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on January 18, 2014, 10:22:04 AM
As they say, Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on January 31, 2014, 10:50:43 AM
A shambles in all forms of the game.Heads must roll
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jack Russell on January 31, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
A shambles in all forms of the game.Heads must roll


and they have. Andy Flower gone
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on January 31, 2014, 01:56:29 PM

and they have. Andy Flower gone

Not really a suprise there. England are quite frankly shocking at the moment.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 01, 2014, 09:27:51 AM
Firstly I would like to say thanks for all the great work that Flower has done, the last two months have been nothing but shocking, but winning the Ashes three times with him in cage, winning in India, drawing in South Africa, and thrashing a lot of teams at home and getting number one in Test Cricket. Overall Andy Flower has done a great job. I'm looking forward to a new era of English Cricket.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on February 04, 2014, 08:22:48 PM
Now KP's head has rolled - England career over.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbako on February 04, 2014, 08:57:37 PM
Now KP's head has rolled - England career over.

Whoever they bring in to replace him will be a pale imitation; an absolutely shocking decision.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on February 05, 2014, 11:53:44 AM
A very poor decision, I still feel that KP has a lot to offer the team and he is only 33, Tendukler and Kallis played for another five or six years. Yes Pietersen had a poor series but so did everyone, a great innings is always around the corner with KP he has never been a player who gets in good form but you always knew that he was going to make a match winning or saving hundred. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on February 05, 2014, 02:32:46 PM
There's no doubt this is linked in with his character issues. During his England career he's fallen out with former coach Peter Moores, then there was the text the South Africans and reintegration episode and now he's obviously fallen out with Flower and God knows who else.
In his time, he's fallen out with Natal, Notts and Hampshire also.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on March 15, 2014, 11:54:07 PM
Its really good news that Jonathan Trott will be returning to Cricket and hopefully the England team. We had some decent performances on the short tour of the West Indies. Chris Jordon was excellent in the last T20 lets hope we make some progression in the world T20s.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 27, 2014, 10:05:43 AM
Despite Sundays awful batting performance at Durham, I've seen one or two positives from England recently. Chris Jordon and Harry Gurney have looked very impressive so far. Gary Ballance also has a lot of talent too. I do think that Jordon will make his debut in the test series later, also pleasing to see Ben Stokes and Stuart Broad back playing for there counties too Yesterday.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 28, 2014, 06:29:52 PM
Its a funny old game :)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 31, 2014, 02:38:04 PM
Freddie Flintoff coming out of retirement to compete in the Natwest T20 series for Lancashire this season.

Good money spinner for them. Be interesting to see whether he still 'has it'.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WorcsWBA on June 01, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
I see the media love-in with Bopara is continuing when, to my mind, he rarely does well. Andrew Strauss was crowing about Bopara's innings yesterday, but scoring at a run a ball (with only 1 four) wasn't quick enough in the position we were in and meant that Buttler's undeniable heroics at the other end were doomed to fall short.

Bopara also went for 9 an over off his 4 overs. I just don't get all the hype I'm afraid.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 01, 2014, 10:44:59 AM
For a player of his experience and I think quality he should be making more runs for England. I did think that he did a good job Yesterday running well and giving good support for Jos Buttler to be the main aggressor.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 01, 2014, 05:15:25 PM
I see the media love-in with Bopara is continuing when, to my mind, he rarely does well. Andrew Strauss was crowing about Bopara's innings yesterday, but scoring at a run a ball (with only 1 four) wasn't quick enough in the position we were in and meant that Buttler's undeniable heroics at the other end were doomed to fall short.

Bopara also went for 9 an over off his 4 overs. I just don't get all the hype I'm afraid.

I disagree. Bopara's innings yesterday was exactly what was needed. Someone to help keep the scoreboard ticking over and to get Jos Buttler on strike as much as possible. Bopara, in the last twelve months or so has looked a much more accomplished international cricketer from the man who used to look like a rabbit in the headlights when he first started out. He is also very handy with the ball but like many of the England attack he had a very poor afternoon with the ball. If there is a criticism of Ravi Bopara then it's the fact he doesn't finish enough games for England like he does for Essex. He, quite often gets himself and England into a good position but doesn't see the job through.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 09, 2014, 05:35:34 PM
Quite looking forward to seeing this new England team on Thursday. Hopefully Liam Plunkett will come back a much better bowler and also looking forward to how Robson, Ali and Jordon will get on. I feel this is a big year for Joe Root I think he has to really kick on now. It would be good to see Cook and Prior getting runs too and for us to make some big scores too been a long time since we made 400 in a Test match. 

Come on England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 13, 2014, 03:05:00 PM
Well done to Joe Root.Double hundred
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tommcneill on June 13, 2014, 04:46:01 PM
Well done to Joe Root.Double hundred

Yep brilliant innings by the young lad.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 13, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
It was a great knock from Joe Root today also very pleasing to see the likes of Chris Jordon and Liam Plunket giving the ball a whack too. Really pleasing that we got a massive total its been long overdue.  A lot of hard work for us to do tomorrow, hopefully we can make some early inroads.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 14, 2014, 11:54:03 AM
I just hope and pray they leave him at number five in the order.

The lad has been messed around enough by his constant jockeying around the order. Let him settle at number five where he looks comfortable and more importantly has scored runs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 17, 2014, 03:31:39 PM
Joe Root does look at his best at number five. Shame we couldn't take that final wicket Yesterday. Jimmy Anderson looked top class and back to his best Yesterday. Chris Jordon on debut looks very impressive, I also thought Ali played well too. Gary Ballance made a great hundred. Still early days yet but this young team looks good and played some very exciting Cricket.   
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 24, 2014, 01:49:01 PM
Oh Dear Anything England failing its nation at the moment
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on June 24, 2014, 08:08:30 PM
I was really gutted, however well played Sri Lanka, and Ali that was a great knock. England had a lot of chances to have won this series 2-0 should have declared earlier at Lords and in this Test we should have extended the lead by another 50 odd runs. Lets hope we can turnaround this awful form we have shown with a win over India.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 24, 2014, 08:36:58 PM
Horrible way for the series to end in the minute after getting so close to the draw.

The draw would have been a little crumb of comfort anyway because in the position we were in on Saturday afternoon, no way should we have gone on to lose the test match. To be bowled out for 365 after being 311-3 is incredibly poor and is without doubt the session which has proved so costly. That evening session should have been the session which batted Sri Lanka out the game but for some inept batting (once again) we threw that hard worked position away.

Really feeling for Alastair Cook too - he's in a tough predicament at the moment. Been given the task of turning around around English cricket at a time where his own form is incredibly poor. He is however a top class batsman and it won't be long before he turns around his form. It would be nice however if he could receive just a bit of backing rather than the constant sniping at not only his form but captaincy too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 21, 2014, 06:09:59 PM
Looks like things are going to get worse before they get better - a humiliating loss to India who very rarely win away from home, especially in England. The fact England are being bounced out by the likes of India and Sri Lanka on their home tracks is concerning.

Unsurprisingly, the calls of Alastair Cook's retirement of the captaincy are getting stronger and it's becoming hard not to disagree. England need his batting a lot more than his captaincy. If Cook had any balls about him he would drop the "best friends" image and drop Matt Prior and Stuart Broad because both are neither fit enough for test cricket at the moment - you can also add Ben Stokes to that list as well because for an all rounder he isn't producing either, certainly with the bat.

I would give Cook the remainder of the series but he quickly needs to find a solution to his own problems, and the problems with the middle order otherwise he's starring down the barrel of another series defeat and a defeat I don't think he will recover from.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 27, 2014, 06:16:38 PM
Much better performance today from England - the highly criticised Alastair Cook made 95 very important runs. To play such an innings with the pressure, abuse and knives in the back he has been given was highly commendable and its a shame he couldn't reach the three figures that he so richly deserved. On a positive side, we're in a very commanding position which has been boosted yet again by the impressive Gary Ballance who has replaced Jonthan Trott with apparent ease. He has played six tests matches and now boasts three impressive centuries to his name. England have a really good chance to make a big innings score here - by god lets hope they take it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 05, 2014, 08:16:28 AM
A perfect performance from England last week. The momentum has swung with England and I expect us to win this series 3-1. No Ishant Sharma for the fourth test who is by far the best of the Indian bowlers. We have done very well to not let Darwan and Kohli get big scores on this series so far. I was so pleased that Cook got some runs. Ballance looks a top quality player who can also go through the gears too. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2014, 01:42:21 PM
Superb start this morning, India 63-5 at lunch on day one, after being 8-4 at one point. Hopefully we can skittle them for less than 150 and then try and bat long
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 07, 2014, 02:42:33 PM
Anderson has been wonderful this morning, best English bowler (in tests in England) of all time for me. Maybe Trueman touches him but nobody else.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 12, 2014, 01:45:46 PM
What an amazing turnaround from England it has been great to watch. India have totally collapsed since playing so well at Lords. I only see an England win at the Oval. James Anderson is simply world class it would be great if he could surpass Ian Botham's 383 wickets this week.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
Englands record at Lords aint very good is it.Obviously any visiting team raise their game at the home of Cricket
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 15, 2014, 12:39:26 PM
26-3 great start for england
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
36-5, nice one England
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 15, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
77-7 now, hopefully we can get them out under about 120, if the tail wags slightly. Then bat long as the weather improves
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 15, 2014, 03:22:20 PM
79-8 !!!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 03:28:41 PM
this test will be over in 3 days
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 15, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
this test will be over in 3 days

that long??
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 03:50:06 PM
90-9. ok maybe 2 days
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 15, 2014, 03:53:56 PM
Hopefully we can make 300-350, 200+ lead at least, then bowl them out again inside 3 days.

India look woeful, but confidence boosting wickets for woakes and jordan are great
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2014, 03:58:32 PM
no chance.This pitch is too favourable for the bowler.We will get 150 tops
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 15, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Maybe 200 then, double what they get at this rate
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 15, 2014, 09:08:58 PM
What an excellent day, Jordan and Woakes bowled really well today, and great to see Cook and Robson put on a good partnership at the end. I think we can make 350+ if we bat well in the opening hour, they will start to tire more.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: PepeMel on April 16, 2015, 07:35:55 PM
Watching the cricket against the West Indies, anyone spotted an Albion flag?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 03, 2015, 11:44:18 PM
Boycott not holding back seems very dissapointed with the whole set up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 04, 2015, 12:29:32 PM
Even the far from outspoken Cook has mentioned the crazy disrespectful pre-series comment by Colin Graves (new ECB chairman) where he called West Indies a mediocre side (which is probably correct but publicly stating it before a series is silly). I quite enjoyed watching Bravo and Blackwood winning the game for the Windies last night.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on May 04, 2015, 01:04:22 PM
Watching the cricket against the West Indies, anyone spotted an Albion flag?

Yes
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 04, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
Well that was rubbish. New Zealand and Australia must be licking their lips.

Few points on selection:
Trott should be dropped and replaced with Yorkshire's Adam Lyth.
Jos Buttler is batting too deep and should be above both Moeen and Stokes
Adil Rashid should have been given an opportunity - ahead of either Moeen or Chris Jordan.

Well done to the West Indies. I've actually enjoyed watching them.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 04, 2015, 03:49:28 PM
I thought it was a daft thing for Graves to come out and say before the series.

Postives Anderson's bowling a world class bowler. Cook getting a hundred was so pleased for him. Ballance and Root played well.

Negatives. Ali, Jordon and Stokes are all bit part players. Trott deserved another chance but it looks like its over for him. Lyth to come in for him. Buttler is wasted batting with the tail he is far to good of a player to bad so low. Broads batting, always loved watching Broad bat when he got on a role.

Taylor was exceptional for the WI Blackwood looks a fine player. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 04, 2015, 03:52:41 PM
Without of getting into the debacle of depression trott should have never been aloud back.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 04, 2015, 05:25:50 PM
Sir Geoffrey is not a happy bunny right now and its being added to by the announcement that Andrew Strauss is to be named the new Director of English Cricket
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 04, 2015, 05:26:40 PM
I thought it was a daft thing for Graves to come out and say before the series.

Postives Anderson's bowling a world class bowler. Cook getting a hundred was so pleased for him. Ballance and Root played well.

Negatives. Ali, Jordon and Stokes are all bit part players. Trott deserved another chance but it looks like its over for him. Lyth to come in for him. Buttler is wasted batting with the tail he is far to good of a player to bad so low. Broads batting, always loved watching Broad bat when he got on a role.

Taylor was exceptional for the WI Blackwood looks a fine player.
Yes it would be the equivalent of JP stating 'if we don't beat a mediocre Villa side there will be questions asked' in the lead up to the game - Pulis would be fuming. Graves should leave any comments to the coach or captain.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 04, 2015, 07:10:26 PM
Without of getting into the debacle of depression trott should have never been aloud back.

Why not?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 04, 2015, 07:24:17 PM
He found fit to leave once during the ashes that's a decision you stick by unless a family member passes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 04, 2015, 07:32:45 PM
Trott was obviously struggling - no way should we have left him there to the mercy of Mitchell Johnson.

I bet you felt the same about Marcus Trescothick as well didn't you?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 04, 2015, 07:58:21 PM
I think Trott has made the right decision by announcing his international retirement now. I admire him for attempting the comeback but I think it was always going to be difficult, time for him and England to move on now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 04, 2015, 08:07:50 PM
Trott scored 3,835 runs in 52 Tests, averaging  a very creditable 73.75 runs.

Not bad for a Warwickshire player ;D

Well done Jonathan, thanks for all your efforts.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 04, 2015, 08:20:35 PM
A very sad way for his international career to end. He has been a pillar in England's recent successes under Flower & Strauss. A solid, dependable batsman at number three too and often a man England could always rely on.

I hope he continues to play domestic cricket for Warwickshire. He will help us massively in chasing the County Championship crown if we can rediscover the Jonathan Trott of old.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 05, 2015, 07:15:57 PM
Trott was obviously struggling - no way should we have left him there to the mercy of Mitchell Johnson.

I bet you felt the same about Marcus Trescothick as well didn't you?
  because D amato put it perfect for me on the subject of proffessionals but I won't get into an argument family death is completely the exception and rightly so, Boycott had more to say on cook today on sidenote cooks definitely touched a nerve lol.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 07, 2015, 08:45:26 PM
Only just caught up with this thread. My problem with Trott is this: He hid behind a very serious condition because he was afraid of Mitchell Johnson. On that same tour that Trott bottled a man named Kevin Pietersen kept on coming at the Aussies and walked away our top run scorer in the series. One has been made a scapegoat the other some kind of martyr. Totally the wrong way round, Trott should have never worn the shirt again, and I suspect he if was a Durham player or a Hampshire player he wouldn't be getting half the support he is on this forum.  ;)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 07, 2015, 11:16:48 PM
Trott and KP are separate issues. Do you have any evidence that Trott was not depressed but just plain scared which seems to be what you are accusing him of ?

As for KP did he really keep on coming at the Aussies ? He was leading run scorer but was actually mediocre just marginally the best of a sorry bunch - he averaged under 30.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 09, 2015, 04:01:19 PM
Peter Moores sacked, cant say I'm not surprised. He should never have had the second change to have coached England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: PepeMel on May 09, 2015, 04:03:20 PM
Welcome Michael Bevan ;)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 09, 2015, 05:30:50 PM
Welcome Michael Bevan ;)

Has he been appointed or is it just speculation /wishful thinking?

Might bring a bit of Ozzie grit with him if he is appointed
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 11, 2015, 05:29:21 PM
Kevin Peterson on 250 not out, does he get on with Strauss
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 11, 2015, 06:45:18 PM
Kevin Peterson on 250 not out, does he get on with Strauss

I think there's a mutual hatred between the two

Strauss referred to him as a 'c***t' last year on live television.

It was accidental but it was nothing we already knew.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 11, 2015, 07:14:37 PM
300 unbeaten.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 11, 2015, 07:17:37 PM
Fantastic knock and the highest of his professional career I think, but I can't see it making any difference to his selection, I think England have move on from KP, unfortunately.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 11, 2015, 07:45:02 PM
Has a meeting with Strauss tonight he's just said on ssn.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 12, 2015, 08:07:32 AM
another bad decision from the ECB
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 10:59:59 AM
Vaughan was right cricket should be fun pick your best players and leave it at that England just seem to complicate it to much with politics.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 12, 2015, 11:24:45 AM
Dropped four times...won't always be that lucky
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2015, 11:31:32 AM
Dropped four times...won't always be that lucky

 i wonder how many palms were greased,
(see what i did)  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 12, 2015, 11:53:24 AM
I think its a disgrace and and insult how they have treated KP.

The new ECB chairman told him to give up his IPL contract and come play County Cricket to be considered for England, he does that and knocks a career best at the crease and then gets dropped again.

I rode the crest of the wave after the 2005 Ashes series and really started to enjoy cricket again....the ECB and its cronies found the best way to screw it all up.

KP just needs to keep scoring runs and they cant keep ignoring him or fans will start asking for heads to roll or not buy tickets anymore.

The ECB is draconian in the way it treats its best players and has been for over 30 years ive watched cricket

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2015, 02:21:37 PM
I admit I am no great cricket fan, but
isn't KP
a) 34 years old
b) south african (lots of precedents i know)
c) a disruptive influence
d) historically more motivated by IPL cash than England caps

e) hugely talented.

My personal view he is not a team player and cricket is a team game. I wouldn't entertain him if i was a selector
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 02:44:40 PM
Saying he was dropped four times after making 355 is just ridiculous if you ask me, shame it couldn't be resolved got to move on now next test starts next Thursday I believe.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 12, 2015, 02:45:15 PM
To rule him out all together I feel is premature, however his form during his last 18 months of test cricket was poor by his own high standards and his average is currently the lowest it's ever been in test cricket I believe, albeit still hovering around 48.

Add that to the fact that the only decent thing going for the England side at the moment is a functioning middle order I think you'd be mad to disrupt the development of Ballance, Root, Ali and to a lesser extent Stokes and Buttler in order to shoe-horn him into the side. The only player there who could be pushed down the order is Moeen but the ECB are far from convinced that his bowling is of a good enough level to be our front-line spinner.

At this moment in time I don't think he'd get in the team, regardless of prior misdemeanor. Whether this is still the case following the Ashes in the summer and the winter tour of South Africa remains to be seen.

I still think Strauss is a bit of a knob, mind. The way Graves and the ECB have handled the last 18 months is nothing short of a joke. Interesting tweet from former South African captain Graeme Smith this morning if anyone saw it?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 12, 2015, 02:55:21 PM
Pietersen's his own worst enemy.
Should have kept his mouth shut, now way back for him.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 12, 2015, 03:04:59 PM
To rule him out all together I feel is premature, however his form during his last 18 months of test cricket was poor by his own high standards and his average is currently the lowest it's ever been in test cricket I believe, albeit still hovering around 48.

Add that to the fact that the only decent thing going for the England side at the moment is a functioning middle order I think you'd be mad to disrupt the development of Ballance, Root, Ali and to a lesser extent Stokes and Buttler in order to shoe-horn him into the side. The only player there who could be pushed down the order is Moeen but the ECB are far from convinced that his bowling is of a good enough level to be our front-line spinner.

At this moment in time I don't think he'd get in the team, regardless of prior misdemeanor. Whether this is still the case following the Ashes in the summer and the winter tour of South Africa remains to be seen.

I still think Strauss is a bit of a knob, mind. The way Graves and the ECB have handled the last 18 months is nothing short of a joke. Interesting tweet from former South African captain Graeme Smith this morning if anyone saw it?

About the "head boy making ECB a laughing stock again !"
Does make you wonder if KP is just pushing the buttons of english cricket to exact some sort of revenge ! Clever and effective if true!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 12, 2015, 03:18:25 PM
About the "head boy making ECB a laughing stock again !"
Does make you wonder if KP is just pushing the buttons of english cricket to exact some sort of revenge ! Clever and effective if true!

It's no surprise that KP has the South Africans onside. From a completely outside perspective it would come across as KP being punished for not being as sterile and functional as the rest of the squad Flower created, that was his way. His face fitted when it was all going well, the second it fell apart he became the scapegoat despite being nowhere near the worst performer.

The previous regime will move into the next as long as Strauss (Flower MK II) in particular has a say behind the scenes. Cook I like, and should be taken out of the spotlight a bit given his return to form. I genuinely don't think AC has had much of a say in this.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tommcneill on May 12, 2015, 04:41:22 PM
I admit I am no great cricket fan, but
isn't KP
a) 34 years old
b) south african (lots of precedents i know)
c) a disruptive influence
d) historically more motivated by IPL cash than England caps

e) hugely talented.

My personal view he is not a team player and cricket is a team game. I wouldn't entertain him if i was a selector

a) he is 34
b) he was born in South Africa yes but considers himself English...and he is our highest scorer in all formats (he is not South African and if it is to be used against him now then it should have been used against him when he first started playing)
c) rumours are that he can be disruptive......rumours also tell us that many of the players in the squad were very close to him and didnt feel he was, there are also rumours that others in the squad bullied him...believe what you will
d) too become the highest scorer in all formats takes a lot of games and a lot of dedication also him giving up his IPL contract to concentrate on county cricket to put himself back in the England squad kind puts that story too bed....load of rubbish that is!
e) best batsman England has still

as for your quote of not a team player....I didnt see anyone calling him out when we won The Ashes in 2005??

you need mavericks and individuals in any squad, you need players that can and do deliver on the big stage when called upon.

Its a disgrace and the ECB and its selectors should be ashamed of themselves for treating English crickets greatest batsman of all time in such an insulting manner
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 12, 2015, 05:19:24 PM
 I respect KP for what he has done for English Cricket and for what he has achieved whilst playing for England, he was a breath of fresh air, a fearless warrior with a belligerent attitude, loved it.

Here is a man that has stood up to the most sever of examinations of his mental and physical strength in some of the most hostile of sporting venues and non more so than the MCG, I for one find it difficult to accept that a man of that character would allow himself to be bullied, but I don't know all that went on in the England dressing room.

Sadly, I think it's too late for KP now, but I will always have and treasure memories of his time as an England Cricketer, nothing will diminish that for me.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on May 12, 2015, 06:18:31 PM
If he was an aussie or a south african he would be playing. That says it all.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 12, 2015, 06:37:24 PM
He has been a nuisance throughout his career and those at the ECB have had enough.

He's created many of his own problems - granted the ECB haven't been squeaky clean.

Falling out with the head coaches, texting opponents, resigning from one day cricket so he can feather his own nest in the IPL and then writing a book which did nothing but criticise his 'team-mates'.

It's not hard to see why Strauss doesn't want him back.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2015, 06:44:22 PM
Yes the book is the type of thing a player would do when his career is finished and he knows he's not going to share a dressing room with those players again. To expect to return and all things to be rosy in the dressing room is asking a bit much.

Unfortunately he's ended up very unpopular in every team he's played for.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 12, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
He has been a nuisance throughout his career and those at the ECB have had enough.

He's created many of his own problems - granted the ECB haven't been squeaky clean.

Falling out with the head coaches, texting opponents, resigning from one day cricket so he can feather his own nest in the IPL and then writing a book which did nothing but criticise his 'team-mates'.

It's not hard to see why Strauss doesn't want him back.

I think it's more the ECB and rumour has it, that's if you believe rumours, that Stewart and Vaughan tuned the job down because they wanted KP to play.

Although Strauss does have issues with KP and begs the question whether skill, ability and form should be the overriding  artiber in sport for the sake of the fans.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbako on May 12, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
Strauss comes out of this very badly. Pick your best players, of which, Pieterson is one.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on May 12, 2015, 09:28:55 PM
Strauss comes out of this very badly. Pick your best players, of which, Pieterson is one.

Unless the decision has been taken by someone above the head of Strauss. The whole thing stinks of politics to me.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 12, 2015, 09:36:44 PM
Unless the decision has been taken by someone above the head of Strauss. The whole thing stinks of politics to me.
What a mess to go into a test next Thursday I have a funny feeling that rumour is correct only because I know Stewart and Vaughan would of picked him so I agree completely stinks the place out this decision.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on May 12, 2015, 09:38:56 PM
a) he is 34
b) he was born in South Africa yes but considers himself English...and he is our highest scorer in all formats (he is not South African and if it is to be used against him now then it should have been used against him when he first started playing)
c) rumours are that he can be disruptive......rumours also tell us that many of the players in the squad were very close to him and didnt feel he was, there are also rumours that others in the squad bullied him...believe what you will
d) too become the highest scorer in all formats takes a lot of games and a lot of dedication also him giving up his IPL contract to concentrate on county cricket to put himself back in the England squad kind puts that story too bed....load of rubbish that is!
e) best batsman England has still

as for your quote of not a team player....I didnt see anyone calling him out when we won The Ashes in 2005??

you need mavericks and individuals in any squad, you need players that can and do deliver on the big stage when called upon.

Its a disgrace and the ECB and its selectors should be ashamed of themselves for treating English crickets greatest batsman of all time in such an insulting manner

I'm not sure where people are finding their stats from but, I also heard this mentioned on the radio today.

Pietersen is only the highest scorer in T20. He's nowhere near the highest scorer in Test or ODI Cricket.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 12, 2015, 09:44:23 PM
There's no doubt that Graves has made a pigs ear of it so far......and he doesn't officially start as ECB chairman until 2 days time. We've had the 'mediocre West Indies' comment and the public statement about KP playing county cricket and making runs to get back in the England setup. So far seems to be a chairman who likes to be in the news.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 14, 2015, 12:16:33 AM
I'm not sure where people are finding their stats from but, I also heard this mentioned on the radio today.

Pietersen is only the highest scorer in T20. He's nowhere near the highest scorer in Test or ODI Cricket.

If you add his runs across the 3 formats he has the most...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on May 14, 2015, 11:56:58 AM
There's no doubt that Graves has made a pigs ear of it so far......and he doesn't officially start as ECB chairman until 2 days time. We've had the 'mediocre West Indies' comment and the public statement about KP playing county cricket and making runs to get back in the England setup. So far seems to be a chairman who likes to be in the news.

I didn't realise his Chairmanship had not started - and there was me thinking that he ought to resign because his position is untenable?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 14, 2015, 02:15:20 PM
I didn't realise his Chairmanship had not started - and there was me thinking that he ought to resign because his position is untenable?
Yep officially takes over today at the ECB AGM
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 14, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
I didn't realise his Chairmanship had not started - and there was me thinking that he ought to resign because his position is untenable?

It might well be after this summers internationals
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 17, 2015, 01:06:51 PM
I see Pietersen's response is to straight away go running to the papers to criticise everybody again..

He doesn't learn any lessons does he?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 10:54:37 AM
Its time. Make sure we beat New Zealand. Dickie ring that bell
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 21, 2015, 11:51:27 AM
Its time. Make sure we beat New Zealand. Dickie ring that bell

Looks like its over before we start. 25-3  :o
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on May 21, 2015, 11:52:15 AM
Great start to the Strauss era.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 12:00:13 PM
I was being hopefull when i said lets beat New Zealand. 4 out now for 30

i suspect we wont win one single test this summer 0-7
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 21, 2015, 12:14:43 PM
New Zealand have a very good attack for English conditions, Southee, Boult are good bowlers and Henry's looking pretty tidy as well.
As NZ have said themselves, they deserve more than just a 2 test series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 12:39:41 PM
Root and Stokes showing that if you're actually aggressive, not passive, while batting, you can get somewhere against good attacks.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 21, 2015, 03:02:37 PM
191-5 Ben Stokes out in the nervous ninties
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 21, 2015, 03:09:48 PM
New Zealand have a very good attack for English conditions, Southee, Boult are good bowlers and Henry's looking pretty tidy as well.
As NZ have said themselves, they deserve more than just a 2 test series.

Two test matches isn't a series. I'm not a fan of series with an even number of games, should be restricted to three or five.

A horrible first hour or so for England has turned itself around a bit with Buttler in now and Ali and Broad who scores quickly to come. We need near 350 at least, NZ are dangerous if they get in.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2015, 07:16:18 PM
Again England find themselves relying on Joe Root to drag themselves out of a precarious position. Root is blossoming into a great batsman.

Also proves how important it is to have quick scorers and aggressive batsman like Buttler and Stokes in the side. England from a state of crisis have been dragged out the mire and into a pretty strong position with some progressive batting - far more exciting than the usual dross we muster.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 21, 2015, 10:31:40 PM
It's about taking the initiative. The guys on CricInfo were saying most of our top order got themselves out, they weren't beauties like what got Stokes (I think?). If you block, and block, and block, and you're nervous, you'll get out eventually and it won't be for very many.

The batsmen need to apply themselves better and make McCullum do something thinking with his field and choice of bowlers.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 21, 2015, 10:39:08 PM
England have been very conservative with the bat ever since I've been watching them - even their ODI sides are based on the conservative approach with mavericks like Stokes and Hales discarded. Strauss did have plenty of success using these methods though - they were painfully slow upfront but had the likes of Pietersen and Bell in the lower order to capitalise later in the day.

Stokes didn't get a particularly brilliant ball today - he just misjudged it - even Joe Root played at one he should have left.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on May 21, 2015, 10:47:11 PM
New Zealand have a very good attack for English conditions, Southee, Boult are good bowlers and Henry's looking pretty tidy as well.
As NZ have said themselves, they deserve more than just a 2 test series.

I think the New Zealand attack has been vastly oversold to be honest. Effectuve in limited overs cricket, but Southee really isn't anything special as his record against decent nations shows, Henry I don't really know much about in fairness, and their spinner is just the next in a long line of poor temporary replacements for Vettori. Only Boult I would say is really anything to shout about. And even his speed was well down today.

England have been very conservative with the bat ever since I've been watching them - even their ODI sides are based on the conservative approach with mavericks like Stokes and Hales discarded. Strauss did have plenty of success using these methods though - they were painfully slow upfront but had the likes of Pietersen and Bell in the lower order to capitalise later in the day.

Stokes didn't get a particularly brilliant ball today - he just misjudged it - even Joe Root played at one he should have left.

One of the great myths that has emerged from the world cup is that of the dropping of Ben Stokes being wrong. Stokes was genuinely awful for about 10 games in a row, possibly more. As in he was constantly getting out for under 10, and in very few of those games did he end up bowling his allotted overs, with his economy often being well in excess of 6. A all rounder who is no use with the bat or ball is not going to be selected. You can say he has talent and should have been taken but when someone repeatedly blows their opportunities for a year, well, the only thing to say is that Ben Stokes made himself unselectable. His was less a loss of form and what frankly looked (and may still turn out to be) genuine failings.

Also worth noting Hales' average of 21 with a strike rate of 77 from his 10 ODI's hardly screamed selection either.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 21, 2015, 10:59:19 PM
Wasn't suggesting Southee is a Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn or an Anderson but in the current test rankings.....

2nd Anderson
6th Boult
8th Broad
9th Southee
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on May 21, 2015, 11:01:55 PM
Wasn't suggesting Southee is a Mitchell Johnson or Dale Steyn or an Anderson but in the current test rankings.....

2nd Anderson
6th Boult
8th Broad
9th Southee

The rankings aren't really much of an indication of talent though. You can creep up those lists pretty easily. Not too many months ago, the rankings indicated England had the best ODI bowling attack in the world.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 22, 2015, 08:33:06 AM
The rankings rely quite a bit on current form and I believe are weighted depending on who the opposition has been so must carry some weight.

Anyway my point is that the NZ attack is decent - not in the Oz class but decent.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 22, 2015, 11:31:06 AM
England have been very conservative with the bat ever since I've been watching them - even their ODI sides are based on the conservative approach with mavericks like Stokes and Hales discarded. Strauss did have plenty of success using these methods though - they were painfully slow upfront but had the likes of Pietersen and Bell in the lower order to capitalise later in the day.

Stokes didn't get a particularly brilliant ball today - he just misjudged it - even Joe Root played at one he should have left.

Having seen some of the wickets, I think I was on about Bell's dismissal. Shades of Anderson vs Michael Clarke, no?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 22, 2015, 11:51:56 AM
All out for 389 highest test score by a team that lost there first four wickets for 30 runs, good effort by the middle order.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 22, 2015, 11:55:51 AM
Having seen some of the wickets, I think I was on about Bell's dismissal. Shades of Anderson vs Michael Clarke, no?

Yes, absolutely zero Bell could have done about that really. How long is it since Stuart Broad last managed double figures with the bat in a test match?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 22, 2015, 11:57:09 AM
Cook needs an innings second time round.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 22, 2015, 11:59:01 AM
Cook needs an innings second time round.

Runs in the Caribbean have probably saved him from immediate pressure. Could do with a score to keep the press of his back heading into the Ashes.

Wonder what the odds on Root being named as captain before the end of the Summer are?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 22, 2015, 12:00:54 PM
Yes, absolutely zero Bell could have done about that really. How long is it since Stuart Broad last managed double figures with the bat in a test match?

I don't know the answer but was thinking the same myself.

When he first came onto the scene I was thinking 'Maybe we could turn him into a bowling all-rounder'. On recent form I think Jimmy should be asking to swap places!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 22, 2015, 02:26:08 PM
New Zealand approaching 100-0 at a touch over 3.5 an over. Worryingly nearly all of our wickets fell when the ball was relatively new, our middle-order made light work of batting on this pitch against the old ball, we've wasted 25 overs now. Need a wicket soon with McCullum, Williamson, Taylor and Anderson still to come.

Bowl like this against Warner, Clarke, Smith and we are in big trouble.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on May 22, 2015, 03:55:04 PM
Big session coming up if they move on to 260 odd without another wicket then tomorrow they can really free there arms ideally we want a couple more tonight .
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on May 25, 2015, 06:05:54 PM
Holy moly how did we win that?!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 25, 2015, 06:26:59 PM
A great Test Match, after been 30-4 that was some recovery. Very rare for a team to make over 500 and lose a test. Stokes, Root, Broad, Cook stand out players throughout the test.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 25, 2015, 07:26:23 PM
Holy moly how did we win that?!

Im gobsmacked too. Would love to see the highlights of today's play.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 25, 2015, 08:23:23 PM
That has been a fantastic advert for test cricket

Cook, Stokes and Joe Root were brilliant yesterday and managed to put England in a commanding position. The rate of the run scoring - in particular from Stokes meant we had enough time today to get the required ten wickets.

Good to see England winning though - especially after the position we found ourselves in on the first morning. Also, a plus point was Alastair Cook's captaincy, his use of the bowlers and field placements - all of which seem to come off for him today. All in all, a fantastic way to start the summer.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 25, 2015, 08:55:32 PM
And what a catch by Moeen Ali to wrap things up, outstanding.

An all round good performance by England, New Zealand can consider themselves unlucky to lose this one as they contributed to a great game of cricket.

A mention for Alister Cook, he gave good batting and captains performances throughout.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 26, 2015, 07:11:12 PM
So it's Trevor Bayliss as the new coach. Sounds a pretty sensible appointment in fairness. Plus he's had Farbrace as his assistant when in charge of Sri Lanka. Farbrace seemed to fit in well while in charge for the last test.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 26, 2015, 07:25:02 PM
cricket is most definitely my second sport fast becoming my first. there is no better team spectical in any sport better than England v Australia
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on May 26, 2015, 08:08:56 PM
Just my luck the Ashes Series is being played in England and I'll be in Oz. My son-in-law has a season ticket at the MCG that he never uses, but he renews it every year as they are like gold dust and swap hands for small fortunes, his father and brother also have season tickets that are hardly ever used.

So, when I next visit my new grandson, I'll make sure it's when the Ashes Series is in Oz and that will be around Christmas time as that's their summer.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2015, 12:35:02 PM
oh dear england 88-4
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on June 02, 2015, 01:13:41 PM
Will do well to rescue this game now at 102-5 at lunch, 30 overs until the new ball and then 20 until the end of the test You would have to say we need a couple of three players to play well very well to have a chance of batting through.

On the whole it sounds as though one each would be a fair result shame theres not a decider been an exciting test we need to go away and think of whats best before the ashes and then take that into the series. Commentators sound the biggest bunch of idiots ever whether they have been legends of the game or not one minute everythings rosy the next we are a shambles no real sort of middle ground in there opinions.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 02, 2015, 01:39:53 PM
Which commentators are you referring too?

Cricket is blessed that the majority of commentators and analyists are very fair, balanced and are refreshingly honest. The team on Sky are by far the best around, across any sport.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on June 02, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
Came out very nicely after lunch positive and cook looks in very good nick, Watch me curse it now  :D.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on June 02, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
166-7 with half an hour before tea, looks like just a matter of when now, Bring on the rain !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2015, 03:28:39 PM
They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.

time to drop Bell & Balance
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on June 02, 2015, 03:34:32 PM
They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.

time to drop Bell & Balance

I don't know if you've ever been over there but sport is a religion to Kiwis. Hell, even the netball gets good attendance and shown on TV, and people actively take an interest in it.

I worked at a school over there and in Auckland they had a whole park with about 8 astro-wickets for schools to play their cricket matches on, and the school rugby matches are broadcast on TV too!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 02, 2015, 03:56:42 PM
I don't know if you've ever been over there but sport is a religion to Kiwis. Hell, even the netball gets good attendance and shown on TV, and people actively take an interest in it.

I worked at a school over there and in Auckland they had a whole park with about 8 astro-wickets for schools to play their cricket matches on, and the school rugby matches are broadcast on TV too!


whats our religion, politics no doubt :)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on June 02, 2015, 03:58:21 PM
They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.

time to drop Bell & Balance

I know very little about Rugby and maybe a bit more in cricket people will stick by the there outspoken and disruptive to the system team whatever but its safe to say our best players dont represent us in sports if you look past the politics thats a crying shame for me and happens alot in this country.
Good examples for just this summer :
Rugby
cricket
England under 21s
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 02, 2015, 06:34:58 PM
They will probably turn us over in Football next, how do they manage to find decent cricketers and rugby players from 3 million people and we struggle with 60 million available, take away the pensioners and children of course.

time to drop Bell & Balance

Neither should be dropped - Ballance has looked composed so far in test cricket and is currently going through his first tricky series. He's currently averaging over 52 in test cricket and has proved so far to be a reliable number three. That is incredibly good going and if he finishes his career with an average of 53 then he'll be one of our finest batsman. Yes, he hasn't had a great series against New Zealand but we shouldn't be dropping him just yet - he like many others before him he should be allowed the opportunity to respond and iron out the weaknesses in his game.

As for Ian Bell - he's another going through a sticky period but the old adage class is permanent springs to my mind. Furthermore, in what is already an inexperienced side/middle order - Bell should remain on that front also.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on June 02, 2015, 07:04:49 PM
Whether it's the case that international bowlers now know a weakness in Balance's game or that he's just developed this weakness, he's not looking in a good place with the Aussies coming to town.
The Sky boys have pointed out that he's getting stuck well within his crease and unless he can get it sorted quickly (easier said than done), Johnson and Stark and Ryan Harris for that matter will be zooming in on that same thing.
He has done well overall so far but it's worrying when he keeps getting out in the same way.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 02, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
Whether it's the case that international bowlers now know a weakness in Balance's game or that he's just developed this weakness, he's not looking in a good place with the Aussies coming to town.
The Sky boys have pointed out that he's getting stuck well within his crease and unless he can get it sorted quickly (easier said than done), Johnson and Stark and Ryan Harris for that matter will be zooming in on that same thing.
He has done well overall so far but it's worrying when he keeps getting out in the same way.

Unless Ballance sorts out his technique he'll be dropped after the 3rd test with a summer average of about 15. Batting far to deep in the crease for a top order batsman. Late swing and it's all over.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on June 02, 2015, 09:23:44 PM
2 really interesting test matches - Well done to NZ in playing so positively and in such good spirit.
Brendan McCullum must be a great captain to play for.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on June 07, 2015, 04:20:09 PM
I am going to the one day game at Edgbaston on Tuesday, anyone else going?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 09, 2015, 08:40:11 PM
Regretting not going to this today - England are cruising to victory - first time we've said that in a while.

Fantastic performance with the bat - the best we will ever see from an England side. If only we could play with that mindset and positivity more often. What I found most impressive was the powers of recovery because at 202-6 I thought we were in for more of the same until Buttler and Rashid blasted them around the park.

Adil Rashid finishes with figures of 4-55 - he'll add to the pressure currently on Moeen Ali. Quite ridiculous that we never took a look at him in the West Indies given the pressures on Ali with an Ashes series looming.

Anyhow, enjoying this new look England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on June 09, 2015, 09:11:48 PM
Just on my way back, what a fantastic days cricket i have witnessed it was a one of those, i was there when it happened games. Brilliant!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 09, 2015, 09:14:23 PM
408-9! What an incredible score.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BobTaylor on June 09, 2015, 09:18:39 PM
Superb effort wish I had gone.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on June 10, 2015, 01:51:06 AM
Sounds as though it was a great day for England fans and cricket fans in general at Edgbaston.

Had I not been in Oz, I would have gone, typical they wait till I'm out of the country to break their previous ODI score of 391 against Bangladesh.

Well done lads, in particular Root and Butler.
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Post by: B_H_Baggie on June 10, 2015, 08:57:26 AM
Lets hope this showing wasn't a one off and a genuine change in attitude to one day games has happened for the long term.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 10, 2015, 01:48:06 PM
Lets hope this showing wasn't a one off and a genuine change in attitude to one day games has happened for the long term.


lets hope the footballers follow suit on Sunday
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Post by: smethwickw on June 10, 2015, 10:19:41 PM
Sounds as though it was a great day for England fans and cricket fans in general at Edgbaston.

Had I not been in Oz, I would have gone, typical they wait till I'm out of the country to break their previous ODI score of 391 against Bangladesh.

Well done lads, in particular Root and Butler.

These pair were fantastic and have got most of the credit deservedly. However Adil Rashid with his 69 runs and 4 wickets hasn't really got much of a mention. He came in to bat at a critical time for England and batted superbly.

A great day's cricket, one I was pleased to have witnessed first hand.
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Post by: Albionic on June 11, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
Just on my way back, what a fantastic days cricket i have witnessed it was a one of those, i was there when it happened games. Brilliant!!

I went and it was freaking great, the atmosphere was excellent (well done the hollis stand) and what a display.
Thought it was great having all the school parties there as well, I expect all of those kids will be begging to go to cricket again.

It was bloody cold in the shade though.
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Post by: BobTaylor on June 12, 2015, 04:55:32 PM
Set us 399 to win hopefully we can get within 80 odd runs then onto the next match both teams first innings have put both matches to bed early.

We could also get fined for a slow over rate the commentator said.

Cricket as a sport is definitely going in the right direction.
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Post by: albion59 on June 12, 2015, 07:24:20 PM
I went and it was freaking great, the atmosphere was excellent (well done the hollis stand) and what a display.
Thought it was great having all the school parties there as well, I expect all of those kids will be begging to go to cricket again.

It was bloody cold in the shade though.
tell me about it!!! I had my coat on all through the game but somehow still managed to burn my head!!!!
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Post by: apple on June 13, 2015, 08:11:21 AM
What a great game of cricket, shame we were robbed of a potential win by the weather. Why has it taken 10yrs for the penny to drop, if that game was last year England would have batted the 50 overs and ended up 100 runs  short.
  I remember once Ravi Bopara chasing 240 against South Africa in a T20 match and letting the balls go by as if it was a test match, they never made any attempt whatsoever to win the game.  At least this team seems to have discovered a winning mentality, long may it continue.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 13, 2015, 12:09:44 PM
The current series doesn't say much for either sides bowling. I'd have Jimmy Anderson in this team at number 11 all day long. Plunkett should be opening the bowling in the current line-up.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 13, 2015, 02:28:02 PM
I like Boult and Southee. I'd take both in our side at the moment.

Not sure Jordan, Plunkett and Finn are going to be the strikeforce to contain sides and take wickets.

McCullum's tactical captaincy whilst not nice was admirable. He knew the rain was coming and with England behind on the D/L he slowed the game down at every opportunity. Can't wait to see him in Warwickshire colours
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 15, 2015, 06:30:57 PM
In other news - Warwickshire have just beaten Worcestershire (again) within two days  :D

#YouBears
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Post by: BobTaylor on June 17, 2015, 06:08:00 PM
350 to win come on England.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2015, 07:27:42 PM
Kane Williamson has just taken a brilliant catch.

Morgan and Root in now - England need a big partnership.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 17, 2015, 09:46:48 PM
What a fantastic run chase that was.

England win by seven wickets with seven overs remaining. Both Morgan and Joe Root hitting centuries. The turn-around we have witnessed in the previous four games is quite remarkable - seems that getting around 350 is slowly becoming the par in 50 over cricket.

I've thoroughly enjoyed this series - competitive, fierce, entertaining cricket played in the right manner between the two sides. I hope we invite New Zealand over regularly - a good advert for all forms of Cricket.
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Post by: BobTaylor on June 20, 2015, 07:57:13 PM
Yessssssss fantastic from us makes me want to book a ticket soon as the next England one dayer at Edgbaston comes around looks great fun.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 21, 2015, 01:44:15 PM
Young & hungry is the key. well done england, lets go show them aussies now
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 21, 2015, 04:22:26 PM
Been superb this series but I fear a reality check once the Aussies roll into town.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on June 23, 2015, 09:36:20 PM
Just won the T20 fixture against New Zealand. Another great performance.

Bring on the Aussies!
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Post by: Albionic on June 23, 2015, 10:54:04 PM
play the one day side hit 350 / 400 per innings and we will win most test matches, naive view but possibly correct, thoughts???
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Post by: Dan on June 24, 2015, 12:22:05 AM
You don't have the same fielding restrictions in test cricket, most the time you'd get bowled out pretty quickly trying to bat like the one day teams do if you were batting like that to a test field.
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Post by: charliemike on June 24, 2015, 12:26:59 AM
More people around the bat , meaning players seem to be more technically minded . Master of this one Geoffrey boycott . 2 different types of games
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Post by: Albionic on June 24, 2015, 09:28:05 AM
Accept the fielding restrictions argument, but I would argue that a "bludgening" approach would soon push the field back, and this one day side would then profit.

If we don't try different things we will remain the same as all the rest, surely.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 24, 2015, 10:22:21 PM
Red ball swings/seams more, fields can adapt to scoring rate without restrictions aside from the banned leg theory. I'd love the Aussies to approach the test series like a T20, Anderson would have an absolute field day, 6 or 7 slips catching practice. If we tried it we'd be rolled for 150 tops in every innings.
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Post by: Albionic on June 24, 2015, 10:54:51 PM
Red ball swings/seams more, fields can adapt to scoring rate without restrictions aside from the banned leg theory. I'd love the Aussies to approach the test series like a T20, Anderson would have an absolute field day, 6 or 7 slips catching practice. If we tried it we'd be rolled for 150 tops in every innings.
1 day tactics not T20 !
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 05, 2015, 01:43:16 PM
Went to Edgbaston on Friday to watch Warwickshire against Derbyshire in their T20.

Thoroughly enjoyable night - Brendon McCullum is a fantastic cricketer. He ended up with 158 from 60 balls I think it was. Absolutely fantastic just to sit there and watch him wail the ball around all corners of the ground.
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Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 05, 2015, 04:42:18 PM
Went to Edgbaston on Friday to watch Warwickshire against Derbyshire in their T20.

Thoroughly enjoyable night - Brendon McCullum is a fantastic cricketer. He ended up with 158 from 60 balls I think it was. Absolutely fantastic just to sit there and watch him wail the ball around all corners of the ground.

I went too, was an absolute pleasure to watch McCullum. First time I've been to watch the T20 there and it wont be the last as I had a great evening.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 05, 2015, 05:39:36 PM
I went too, was an absolute pleasure to watch McCullum. First time I've been to watch the T20 there and it wont be the last as I had a great evening.

Having said all that, we don't normally score that many  :D
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Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 05, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
I don't usually drink that much which is where most of the pleasure came from so I don't think a lack of runs will make much of a difference to my enjoyment of the night  :D
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Post by: AlbionFan on July 06, 2015, 08:59:44 AM
Ryan Harris is out of the Australian Test team following a knee injury that has also resulted in his retirement from the sport.

I feel sorry for Harris, who is 35 years old, as I always thought he was wholehearted player and will be missed by the Ozzies.

Harris will be replaced by Pat Cummins.

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Post by: BobTaylor on July 06, 2015, 02:43:26 PM
lets hope the England team dont share the same sympathy, Good bit of luck for England Harris is quality no time to be feeling sorry for them as i can guarantee they wouldn't if it happened to us.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 06, 2015, 06:36:37 PM
Just purchased a ticket for day 4 at Edgbaston
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 06, 2015, 07:55:08 PM
Ryan Harris is out of the Australian Test team following a knee injury that has also resulted in his retirement from the sport.

I feel sorry for Harris, who is 35 years old, as I always thought he was wholehearted player and will be missed by the Ozzies.

Harris will be replaced by Pat Cummins.

A lot gets made of the threat of Mitchell Johnson but Ryan Harris was always the one I was fearing.

He bowled beautifully in England in 2013 taking 24 wickets in four test matches and likewise bowled very well when the Aussies obliterated us 5-0 taking 22 wickets and still being over-shadowed by Mitchell Johnson.  I remember he caused Alastair Cook no end of problems because of his consistency outside Cook's off stump.

They still have a lot of firepower elsewhere to cause us problems, however.
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Post by: tuamigos on July 08, 2015, 12:16:45 PM
42-2 Not a great start is it?   :o
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Post by: Morany on July 08, 2015, 12:24:13 PM
43-3 is even worse.

Looking to Root again
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Post by: PepeMel on July 08, 2015, 12:45:45 PM
Rain will save us its in Wales , time to drop bell
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Post by: DaveWBA on July 08, 2015, 01:13:51 PM
88-3 at lunch.

Another quick 40 or so after lunch from Root and Ballance and we're not in a bad position. It's tougher than it looks on a pitch where the ball stops in the pitch and doesn't come onto the bat. Once you get yourself in it will be much easier, which makes Cook's wicket even more disappointing.
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Post by: tuamigos on July 08, 2015, 02:59:55 PM
152-3 just need to keep these pair together a while
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Post by: BobTaylor on July 08, 2015, 06:04:13 PM
Root is just a super talent wonderful player, Sissies have pinned him as the wicket to get and my God are they right.

Roooooot.
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Post by: AlbionFan on July 09, 2015, 02:19:19 AM
Went into Melbourne last night for something to eat at the Queen Elizabrth Market, on the train back I was taking to an Ozzie about the cricket and he was lauding 43-3, I wonder how he feels this morning with the close of play score.

Would love to bump into him again, but only if we win  :D
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Post by: DaveWBA on July 09, 2015, 08:40:16 AM
Went into Melbourne last night for something to eat at the Queen Elizabrth Market, on the train back I was taking to an Ozzie about the cricket and he was lauding 43-3, I wonder how he feels this morning with the close of play score.

Would love to bump into him again, but only if we win  :D

If I was an Aussie I'd be pretty satisfied. It could have been a lot worse and it took three good innings to rescue England. Last time we played them at Cardiff we got almost 400 first dig and then they went and scored nearly 700-6 and we only just saved the game. If they get us out cheaply this morning and the weather stays good, Warner, Clarke and Smith could get in and fill their boots.
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Post by: M666EYS on July 09, 2015, 08:56:02 AM
If I was an Aussie I'd be pretty satisfied. It could have been a lot worse and it took three good innings to rescue England. Last time we played them at Cardiff we got almost 400 first dig and then they went and scored nearly 700-6 and we only just saved the game. If they get us out cheaply this morning and the weather stays good, Warner, Clarke and Smith could get in and fill their boots.

If root and stokes could have stayed overnight we would be in a very good position. The pitch isn't doing anything for fast bowlers, never does in Cardiff so Anderson and especially broad will have to work hard for wickets later today
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Post by: BobTaylor on July 10, 2015, 11:34:30 AM
Great start 265-7 now 2 quick wickets if we can skittle them out for 300 what a chance we would have.
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Post by: Albionic on July 10, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
304-8 !!!
306-9 !!!

could be looking at a 125 run lead going into 2nd innings  :D :D

308 all out, 122 lead, happy days !!
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Post by: Morany on July 10, 2015, 12:17:52 PM
That's a great start. Hopefully we can get to lunch and bypass this tricky period without loss.

Bat through to Lunch tomorrow and we should be in a commanding lead
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Post by: ChrisRedditch on July 10, 2015, 07:04:13 PM
412 for an Aussie win and 2 days to get them.
This is building up to be an exciting climax
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Post by: AlbionBest on July 10, 2015, 07:07:16 PM
This cricket stuff just bores me to tears, can't wait for the proper sports to begin !    ;)
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 10, 2015, 08:03:43 PM
Been an enthralling test match.

England in a commanding position - some early inroads tomorrow would set the cat amongst the pigeons in the Aussie dressing room.
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Post by: ChrisRedditch on July 10, 2015, 08:12:15 PM
This cricket stuff just bores me to tears, can't wait for the proper sports to begin !    ;)
That's fair enough but why look in on the "English Cricket Thread" if it bores you so much?
Why not leave thread space to the people who like the game?

Just saying :)
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Post by: AlbionBest on July 10, 2015, 08:50:29 PM
Fair enough !!    ;D
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Post by: PepeMel on July 11, 2015, 11:54:51 AM
Watching the cricket, Bumble is hilarious  to listen too :)
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Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2015, 03:35:18 PM
Aussies curently 151-7. 260 runs behind with 3 wickets remaining :D
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Post by: Dudleylad on July 11, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
Johnson and Start showing the other Aussie batsmen how its done.
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Post by: B_H_Baggie on July 11, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
Not so much Starc anymore  :D
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Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2015, 04:55:30 PM
Fair play to Johnson he's batted well. Need him out ASAP.
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Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2015, 05:08:49 PM
Fair play to Johnson he's batted well. Need him out ASAP.

Just gone for 77. Good as over now.
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Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2015, 05:10:20 PM
Just gone for 77. Good as over now.

All out for 242. Well done England, but the tail certainly wagged.
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Post by: PepeMel on July 11, 2015, 08:45:02 PM
Passion and pride, overpaid footballers take note
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 12, 2015, 03:00:49 PM
Really happy with that - best start to the summer that was possible.

Whilst the Aussies have problems I won't start jumping the gun just yet like many appear to be - cricket has a funny way of biting you back on the backside.
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Post by: Adder on July 12, 2015, 06:31:13 PM
Amazing how quickly things can turn around. At the start of May it was hard to give England a sniff in this series yet now they are favourites.
Obviously there's more than one factor but Mark Wood has made a huge difference. I think it's given the whole team more confidence knowing they have effective pace backup to Broad and Anderson.
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Post by: Dudleylad on July 12, 2015, 06:35:45 PM
Mark Wood reminds me of Simon Jones in 2005 young. hungry, unknown and very very quick.
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Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 12, 2015, 06:47:20 PM
Was a very good start to the Series. Our top order didn't impress me too much, and it was a timely half century for Bell who is desperately out of form.

Root is quite simply our key man, if he keeps scoring us the big runs which he continues to at the moment I can see us winning the series quite comfortable.
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Post by: MarkW on July 12, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
Mark Wood reminds me of Simon Jones in 2005 young. hungry, unknown and very very quick.

And he is very dangerous when the ball is reverse swinging. A very apt comparison.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 15, 2015, 08:08:08 PM
Second test at Lords tomorrow - Aussies have a good record for here.

Unfortunately for England it seems that both Shane Watson and Brad Haddin will be dropped with Mitchell Marsh and Peter Nevill coming in.

Moeen Ali will need a fitness test with Adil Rashid on stand-by.

It looks as though Mitchell Starc will be fit which is worrying because a Lords pitch with pace, bounce and movement will suit him very well.
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Post by: DaveWBA on July 16, 2015, 08:44:06 AM
Second test at Lords tomorrow - Aussies have a good record for here.

Unfortunately for England it seems that both Shane Watson and Brad Haddin will be dropped with Mitchell Marsh and Peter Nevill coming in.

Moeen Ali will need a fitness test with Adil Rashid on stand-by.

It looks as though Mitchell Starc will be fit which is worrying because a Lords pitch with pace, bounce and movement will suit him very well.

The Lords pitch being quicker and bouncier than Cardiff makes Moeen Ali a big miss if he's injured.

If Rashid is unable to spin the ball on a green surface then we will greatly miss Moeen's batting. We effectively have a spinner who can't turn a ball and is a poorer batsmen than the man he replaces. Stands to be a much closer test this, avoiding defeat is key in this test as we always seem to do well at Edgbaston.
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Post by: MarkW on July 16, 2015, 11:02:05 AM
The Lords pitch being quicker and bouncier than Cardiff makes Moeen Ali a big miss if he's injured.

If Rashid is unable to spin the ball on a green surface then we will greatly miss Moeen's batting. We effectively have a spinner who can't turn a ball and is a poorer batsmen than the man he replaces. Stands to be a much closer test this, avoiding defeat is key in this test as we always seem to do well at Edgbaston.

Luckily Ali is out fielding so hopefully he'll be fine
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Post by: DaveWBA on July 16, 2015, 12:23:40 PM
David Warner there summed up in four balls. Two fours, nothing, gets out having a big wipe.

Wickets for Moeen again.
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Post by: boing_boing68 on July 16, 2015, 04:53:35 PM
Not a lot happening for us today then
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Post by: BobTaylor on July 16, 2015, 05:01:13 PM
250 - 1 good batting wicket and two at the crease both on 100s. On for 500 plus at this rate.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 16, 2015, 07:58:34 PM
377-1 at close.

They're going to rack up an absolutely mammoth score.
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Post by: gerry m on July 16, 2015, 08:08:42 PM
377-1 at close.

They're going to rack up an absolutely mammoth score.

I think we can safely say its 1-1. Best scenario we jam a draw.
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Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 16, 2015, 08:37:56 PM
dont worry, root will get a double century. this test match will be a draw, the most boring wicket going this one
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Post by: BRIAN on July 16, 2015, 08:59:04 PM
Too many catches dropped, but by and large, if you look at the bowlers figures they bowled quite well. not a  lot of life inn the wicket.
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Post by: DaveWBA on July 17, 2015, 11:40:55 AM
Pitch already looking quicker and bouncier than yesterday, shame they've had a 100 over head start. Turns out it was a massive toss to win.
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Post by: MarkW on July 17, 2015, 02:28:26 PM
A few wickets have gone down so it's 472-5 at the time of writing. Ozzies will be happy with 550+. If Smith gets his double century they'll be close to 500.

Broad was looking very handy in his last spell.
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Post by: tuamigos on July 17, 2015, 03:50:31 PM
I think its safe to say we wont win this one, but we shouldn't lose this one either
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Post by: BobTaylor on July 17, 2015, 04:55:03 PM
25 for 2 going bad so far need to get through today only 2 down, 3 at most.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 17, 2015, 05:14:07 PM
4 down now.

Really poor batting this from England - Lyth setting the tone.

Ian Bell is looking horrendous at the moment - shame to see an elegant batsman looking all over the shop.
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Post by: Greenock Baggie on July 17, 2015, 07:09:15 PM
pray for rain.

Amazing how we were all being told the pitch was a batting pitch only yesterday. Yes it is a batting pitch when you can actually f******g bat !! Our clowns make it look like a ploughed field !!!
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Post by: MarkW on July 17, 2015, 10:42:53 PM
It helps when you have quick bowlers pushing 90mph. Wood, as good as he was in Cardiff, was too slow to merit inclusion in this test. Sky did a piece about how his front leg is now bending whereas at Cardiff it was straight.

All our bowlers were somewhere between 80 and 85, and it just wasn't rushing the batsmen. Johnson comes in and bowls 90+mph and funnily enough the pitch isn't half as bad as we were making it seem.
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Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 18, 2015, 12:07:20 AM
It helps when you have quick bowlers pushing 90mph. Wood, as good as he was in Cardiff, was too slow to merit inclusion in this test. Sky did a piece about how his front leg is now bending whereas at Cardiff it was straight.

All our bowlers were somewhere between 80 and 85, and it just wasn't rushing the batsmen. Johnson comes in and bowls 90+mph and funnily enough the pitch isn't half as bad as we were making it seem.

Bowlers aren't the problem at all. On a pitch like this the only way to get wickets is either with the new ball or if the batsman gets themselves out. I would be very, very surprised if we don't go on to make 350+ even from this position because this is an extremely flat pitch. Our top order needs some work, Lyth is still finding his feet, Ballance also and Bell is woefully out of form. 2 of these 3 could easily be dropped, alas the next best player is deemed un-selectable.
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Post by: Adder on July 18, 2015, 12:45:14 PM
Bell is making a habit of getting out to very good balls...which is a bit unlucky. Interested by the bit Nasser Hussain did this morning though showing how he brings the bat down from a wider angle than he was a couple of years ago which seems to be making him more vulnerable.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 18, 2015, 12:59:43 PM
Really impressed with Ben Stokes - shame he has got out now though mind - England need a big partnership and a partnership to bat long. I can't see any of Ali, Buttler or the tail staying around long enough.
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Post by: tuamigos on July 18, 2015, 01:10:45 PM
Good morning apart from loosing Stokes
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Post by: MarkW on July 18, 2015, 01:32:53 PM
Really impressed with Ben Stokes - shame he has got out now though mind - England need a big partnership and a partnership to bat long. I can't see any of Ali, Buttler or the tail staying around long enough.

Ali needs to bat as if he's back at no.3 and hang around with Cook. Bat long and aim for 350.
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Post by: tuamigos on July 18, 2015, 04:28:07 PM
Ali needs to bat as if he's back at no.3 and hang around with Cook. Bat long and aim for 350.
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Why 350 we need 367 to avoid the follow on
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2015, 04:38:04 PM
Well this second innings performance is one of the most inept batting performances I have ever seen.

We have quite obviously asked for slow pitches to negate Johnson and yet still we're being bounced out.

Australia need 1 wicket - currently leading by 408.
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2015, 04:54:46 PM
All out for 103 - bowled out in 37 overs.

Not expecting any changes yet but Jonny Bairstow scored another century this afternoon - increasing the pressure on Ian Bell, Gary Ballance and Adam Lyth.

I was looking forward to Edgbaston  ::)
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Post by: Dan on July 19, 2015, 05:04:10 PM
England simply have to do something about the top 4. Cook is alright, but the other 3, at least 2 of them need to go. You simply cannot keep being 3 wickets down every innings for 30-40 runs and expect to win games. It's regardless of bowler quality, opposition, wicket. It's happened against West Indies, New Zealand, and Australia, it kept happening last summer too. Lyth just isn't very good, Ballance I like and his record prior to this was good but doesn't look comfortable against genuine pace so is pretty much useless against Australia, and Bell just looks useless against everything at the moment.

The bowling attack was pathetic too and pretty much gave up but they at least have one good game in the bank.

I'm unsure about Bairstow's mentality, much like the current batsmen he doesn't have the attitude you need to win the Ashes, that ability to dig deep. But his form deserves a chance, he's by far the most in form county batsmen so he should be in at a minimum. I'd also have Compton in for Lyth. England just need two openers who can see off the new ball, Compton is unspectacular but he does tend to stick around to see off the new ball, albeit scoring very slowly.

I do fear this team has had it now though, this was the exact kind of performance we saw in Australia. The team knew they'd lost one innings into the game and tamely accepted defeat.
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Post by: MarkW on July 19, 2015, 05:08:15 PM
By bowling full and straight Australia have negated the pitch. Doesn't matter if it is a slow pitch if you pitch it up and send it down at 90+mph.

Agree with the others on here - top 4 needs a shake up. Maybe promote Ali and Root up the order to 3 and 4?
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Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2015, 05:25:07 PM
There might be reservations on Bairstow's character but given he is in the form of his life and others are so woefully out of form then I'm afraid I would have him in the side like a shot. He has been impressive in the CC all season and has three centuries in his last three outings.

As for who opens - god knows. Where do we go there? We've tried a few and they don't appear to have worked at all. I keep hearing talk of Alex Hales coming into the side but that's not something that appeals to me at the moment.

The concern I have at the moment is our powers of recovery. We saw in Australia that we were scared of their hostile character and those wounds have been re-opened. We can make as many changes as we want but there are plenty of mental scars out there, and on a flat, slow deck they have been re-opened. My fear is that our second innings today might become a platform for the remainder of the series.
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Post by: gerry m on July 19, 2015, 05:45:02 PM
All out for 103 - bowled out in 37 overs.

Not expecting any changes yet but Jonny Bairstow scored another century this afternoon - increasing the pressure on Ian Bell, Gary Ballance and Adam Lyth.

I was looking forward to Edgbaston  ::)

All out for 103 - bowled out in 37 overs.

Im sorry but that is pathetic. I know the Aussies have a good record at Lord's but that is unacceptable.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 19, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
This would be my line up for the next game at Edgbaston.

Lyth
Cook
Root
Bell
Ballance
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson

Although Root is settled at 5 I think we need to move him up to 3 and try a stabilise the top order when we lose an early wicket. I don't think we should actually drop anyone for the next one, after all we did win the pervious test match!

It's clear to see though that at least 3 are out of form with Bell being out of form for a while. He would be the one I'd only think of dropping but I think we should keep him in as it is his home ground.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 19, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
This would be my line up for the next game at Edgbaston.

Lyth
Cook
Root
Bell
Ballance
Stokes
Ali
Broad
Wood
Anderson

Although Root is settled at 5 I think we need to move him up to 3 and try a stabilise the top order when we lose an early wicket. I don't think we should actually drop anyone for the next one, after all we did win the pervious test match!

It's clear to see though that at least 3 are out of form with Bell being out of form for a while. He would be the one I'd only think of dropping but I think we should keep him in as it is his home ground.

Lots of byes going through that team!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 19, 2015, 06:44:52 PM
I don't see the benefit in moving the order around - the problems in terms of Bell and Ballance lie deeper than where they bat in the order.

We have shown with Joe Root that moving him around the order hasn't really worked - he has been excellent and dependable batting at five. I wouldn't want to move him and then end up effecting his game because if we lose his runs then we are stuffed.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 20, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
Lots of byes going through that team!!

 :D it has now been corrected!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on July 20, 2015, 04:41:48 PM
For the third test, I'd go for:

Compton, Cook, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Woakes, Broad, Anderson

I'd put Compton back in for Lyth, never should have been dropped in the first place and we actually averaged 50 as our opening partnership with him around. Not a long term option or exciting but the kind of person need with Cook to set up an innings.

Last chance for Bell, really only keeping him in as its his home ground, and despite his awful, awful form, he's at least not getting out to the same glaring technical weaknesses like Lyth and Ballance, but being completely incompetent is scarcely better. Bairstow for Ballance is a pretty obvious one, not sure he's up to it either but his form warrants a chance, and Ballance just can not handle Australia's bowling,  that's not something thats going to change.

Finally I'd have Woakes in for Wood who looked tired, though I do like Wood, Woakes on his home ground would be a shrewd move and though he hasn't played much since his injury, he has taken wickets at a good average in both his county games so far.

The absolute worst thing England can do is keep that top order the same, which is what I suspect we will do and will lead to yet another 30/3 scenario.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on July 20, 2015, 04:52:50 PM
James Taylor hit 291 for Nottinghamshire today and yesterday. He's got to be in for a shout.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 20, 2015, 07:38:03 PM
Think its too soon for Woakes just yet.

I'd rather leave him at Warwickshire anyway  ;D

We're heading to another victory - we need only 63 more runs to beat Somerset - largely due to some terrific bowling from Jeetan Patel and Rikki Clarke which complimented a ton from Sam Hain
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 20, 2015, 07:41:37 PM
They will all get another go, Bell, Balance & Lyth are on last chance saloon
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on July 20, 2015, 09:07:27 PM
Credit to Mitchell Johnson especially, for bowling with so much intensity on a pretty flat pitch.
Michael Carberry was 2nd top run scorer in the debacle in Australia (13 behind KP) and he looked pretty composed against Johnson on much quicker pitches than we'll see this summer.
Carberry for Lyth, James Taylor for Balance and Bairstow for Buttler.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 20, 2015, 09:35:19 PM
I'd stick with Buttler - I wouldn't want to make too many changes.

For me the only change is the addition of Jonny Bairstow - I would settle for Adam Lyth to continue but he has to stop prodding at stuff outside off stump. He needs to be patient and wait for the ball to come to him.

Cook, Lyth, Moeen, Bell, Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Buttler, Wood, Broad, Anderson

Edgbaston has been spinner friendly with Jeetan Patel and Josh Poysden doing very well - there is always the possibility of adding Adil Rashid into the side but I get the feeling they won't want to make too many changes and will settle for something similar to Cardiff and Lords.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 21, 2015, 06:37:23 PM
Bairstow comes in for Ballance.

Bell to bat at three - Root at four and Bairstow at five.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on July 21, 2015, 09:10:01 PM
Well done to the England women on winning their first match in their Ashes series.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 21, 2015, 09:35:09 PM
Bairstow comes in for Ballance.

Bell to bat at three - Root at four and Bairstow at five.

Can't have any qualms with that, Lyth a lucky man there are no decent openers knocking regular tons.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionsteve on July 22, 2015, 03:38:53 PM
Interesting thing on Radio FiveLive last night about the way Johnson bowls.  It's not just his speed through the air but the angle he bowls from, the slingy action and his body position at delivery.  Even if our batsmen faced 90 MPH deliveries in the County Championship every week (if they ever played in it), he would still be completely different to that.

When he has it right, with an upright and fixed wrist position he is lethal, especially to left handers.  His problem is that the unconventional bowling means that a slight difference in his wrist position has a vastly greater effect on the delivery. Hence "he bowls to the left...."

Just hope he gets his wrist in the wrong position at Edgbaston.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionsteve on July 22, 2015, 03:39:47 PM
Another cracking display by Bairstow today. Keep it up for another month or so lad. ;)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 22, 2015, 07:12:07 PM
Another cracking display by Bairstow today. Keep it up for another month or so lad. ;)

He'll be out for 10.

Got a feeling that Ian Bell is going to return to form...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 26, 2015, 02:40:07 PM
got a ticket for saturday if anyone wants it, cant make. i paid £90, yours for £50.00
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on July 29, 2015, 12:34:46 PM
England have made a solid start in the third test, Ozzies, who won the toss and decided to bat are 38-3 after 12.2 overs.

Unfortunately, play is interrupted by rain.

Finn 2-6
Anderson 1-14
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: east-stand-nick on July 29, 2015, 01:53:29 PM
Plenty of showers piling in at the moment and likely for the rest of the afternoon, expect further rain delays.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on July 29, 2015, 03:29:01 PM
A game of skittles at the moment.
110 for 8  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 29, 2015, 03:51:10 PM
136 all out.

We need at least 300 now
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 29, 2015, 05:15:22 PM
Lyth out cheaply again. Time for him to go i think. 38/1 at the moment.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on July 29, 2015, 05:40:49 PM
Good few overs end with Cook getting caught a bit absurdly (and unluckily).  Could do with shutting up shop till close of play now.

****

Bell gets caught cheaply with minutes left of the day's play.  Silly, unnecessary shot to go for.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 29, 2015, 08:22:16 PM
Pathetic from Bell. Time to bring the curtain down on his career.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on July 29, 2015, 08:39:42 PM
Pathetic from Bell. Time to bring the curtain down on his career.

So are you saying he's a Bell...end?
 :).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on July 29, 2015, 08:49:07 PM
Pathetic from Bell. Time to bring the curtain down on his career.

Why is it pathetic? Match top scorer so far, with a brilliant run a ball fifty odd. We're now 3 runs behind.



Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 30, 2015, 12:00:44 AM
Why is it pathetic? Match top scorer so far, with a brilliant run a ball fifty odd. We're now 3 runs behind.

The shot? Bell is very good at getting scores when there is no scoreboard pressure, thought he was going to do it again but he throws it away. Pietersen a batsman 10 times more talented would have been crucified for that dismissal.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BB74 on July 30, 2015, 08:04:01 AM
Blues, Villa or Albion?

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: M666EYS on July 30, 2015, 08:06:39 AM
I went yesterday, what a good day for us english! Just hope we can bat for the rest of today and put some runs in the bank
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: ian66 on July 30, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
Blues, Villa or Albion?

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/9928653/birmingham-city-west-brom-or-aston-villa)
Brilliant  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2015, 12:07:45 PM
182-6, this game is far from over !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on July 30, 2015, 01:21:05 PM
Went yesterday and was one of the best days cricke I've seen, also going tomorrow. Cant wait!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on July 30, 2015, 01:32:22 PM
Messed this right up, should have got into an unloseable position when Cook and Bell were in, but now its looking like we'll have a reasonably modest first innings lead. If Bell and Root, our two batsmen to get in had batted with a modicum more sense we could have avoided this, and Buttler bizarrely going against advice and not reviewing which is madness for an LBW so far down the innings - a chase above 200 would be perilous I think which puts all the pressure back on our bowlers again after their fine bowling yesterday.

A lead of ~100 isn't awful, but its a huge opportunity gone to waste. Maybe by some miracle Broad and Ali can push it to 150.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2015, 01:48:27 PM
Messed this right up, should have got into an unloseable position when Cook and Bell were in, but now its looking like we'll have a reasonably modest first innings lead. If Bell and Root, our two batsmen to get in had batted with a modicum more sense we could have avoided this, and Buttler bizarrely going against advice and not reviewing which is madness for an LBW so far down the innings - a chase above 200 would be perilous I think which puts all the pressure back on our bowlers again after their fine bowling yesterday.

A lead of ~100 isn't awful, but its a huge opportunity gone to waste. Maybe by some miracle Broad and Ali can push it to 150.

Lyons getting spin could be this wicket will help Root / Moeen ! Just gone to 100 in front  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 30, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
Thoroughly enjoyed yesterday - a great days play with a good atmosphere in the stands.

Soft dismissal from Ian Bell, very poor, but enough to probably guarantee him a spot throughout the remainder of the series. Cook was damn unfortunate.

currently need Ali & Broad to put the pressure on the Aussies
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: phbaggies on July 30, 2015, 02:59:17 PM
18-1 danger man Rogers gone for 6, ours to lose surely??
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 30, 2015, 03:36:55 PM
Went yesterday and was one of the best days cricke I've seen, also going tomorrow. Cant wait!

You might not be going tomorrow the way its shaping up !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 30, 2015, 04:15:38 PM
76-4 two in two and Finn on a Hat-trick
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 30, 2015, 04:27:17 PM
Finn going along way to proving those wrong that he's 'unselectable'. Great performance by him
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Ska-dForLife-WBA on July 30, 2015, 04:44:09 PM
Finn having an absolute stormer.  92-5, Australia still trail by 53.  Happy days!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 30, 2015, 06:10:51 PM
Currently 138/6 trailing by 7 runs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 30, 2015, 06:33:12 PM
Superb bowling from Steven Finn.

Hope the injury to James Anderson isn't serious.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 30, 2015, 06:35:24 PM
Currently 153/7. You could technically say Aussies 8/7.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: ian66 on July 30, 2015, 06:41:28 PM
Currently 153/7. You could technically say Aussies 8/7.
I know a Blue nose who has tickets for Sunday...shame!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 30, 2015, 07:06:57 PM
What was the last test match to finish in 3 days?  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Pelsall_Baggie on July 30, 2015, 08:47:07 PM
The shot? Bell is very good at getting scores when there is no scoreboard pressure, thought he was going to do it again but he throws it away. Pietersen a batsman 10 times more talented would have been crucified for that dismissal.

Scoreboard pressure? Out of form, moved up to number 3, playing in his home Ashes match on a bowlers wicket.

Don't we want to see positive, exciting cricket? So why are we whinging about Bell who was playing positively and looking for boundaries to take the game away from Aus?

Bell is about 750 runs short of becoming England's No.4 Run Scorer of all time. He was Man of the Series in the last home Ashes series with 3 Centuries.

I assume you're new to cricket if you think he has so little talent.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 30, 2015, 09:04:41 PM
I like Bell, he's a good player and will return to form swiftly enough in my opinion. There's a great elegance to his batting and there's not many better to watch when he's in full form. The fact he's also a bear is another bonus. Having said that, it was a ridiculous shot to play given the situation of the game. He didn't reach the pitch of the ball and should have just padded the ball away, calmed down after reaching 50 and gone again. All he had to do was last another six balls and he would have been off the pitch as the rain intervened.

His poor shot exposed our middle order and someone of his experience should know better.

The score board pressure comment is harsh too when you consider his batting more or less won us the last Ashes series on English soil.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 30, 2015, 10:10:47 PM
got a ticket for saturday if anyone wants it, cant make. i paid £90, yours for £50.00

Did you get rid of this?  :o
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2015, 12:18:01 PM
Worryingly Australia are increasing the lead. 100 in front now. Any more than 150 and I feel a massive wobble
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2015, 12:36:32 PM
262-9
This is getting worrying now !

they are going to think they can do this.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: charliemike on July 31, 2015, 12:48:37 PM
121 to win . Cmon lads .
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2015, 12:50:06 PM
That'll do.

My prediction is 121-6. Hopefully it's a lot more comfortable than that
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2015, 12:53:23 PM
This could also be a huge moment for Lyth. If he can stick it out to see us over the line.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on July 31, 2015, 12:55:23 PM
Not really into cricket.
Not too keen on a lot of the Aussies that I've met over the years either though to be honest.

Stuff it, I'd be chuffed if we beat them at Tiddlywinks.
Come on England!
 8).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 31, 2015, 01:36:55 PM
This could also be a huge moment for Lyth. If he can stick it out to see us over the line.

the ideal scenario would be Lyth and Bell getting us over the line

Two players in need of a massive pick me up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2015, 01:52:37 PM
the ideal scenario would be Lyth and Bell getting us over the line

Two players in need of a massive pick me up.

11-1 here is the chance for them
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 31, 2015, 01:54:58 PM
There will be jitters in that dressing room

Several blokes out of form and Johnson has the ability to bounce through that middle order.

Surely we can't muck this up?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2015, 02:01:49 PM
Bell started positively, very positively . Looking to take it to them and the pressure will be off 90 to win. Bell 16 from 8
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 31, 2015, 02:03:59 PM
Clarke drops Bell  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2015, 02:04:42 PM
that was a game changer !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on July 31, 2015, 02:21:59 PM
Lyth has to be dropped. Not good enough.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 31, 2015, 02:24:27 PM
Lyth has to be dropped. Not good enough.
Afraid so !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 31, 2015, 03:54:53 PM
Superb win Root and Bell see us home 124-2
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on July 31, 2015, 07:52:37 PM
Ian Bell returning to form at the right time - form is temporary and all that..

Brilliant performance from England though. We needed to bounce back. Expect a couple of changes for the Aussies - Adam Voges will surely go and it wouldn't surprise me to see Cummins replace Starc.

Someone like Graham Onions to replace James Anderson. I don't think England can afford Broad, Finn and Wood in the same side.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on July 31, 2015, 11:41:45 PM
That's a really great result for us following the Lords test.

Well done to all the lads with particular praise to Bell and Finn for there match winning performances.

I'm off to see two Australian Rules Football games today, one in the afternoon at the MCG, where Collingwood play Melbourne, then in the evening to the Etihad (Melbourne version) to see Carlton play North Melbourne, and I will be going out of my way to engage with the Ozzies on all things cricket, especially the Edgbaston test  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on August 06, 2015, 10:52:04 AM
England have won the toss and will bowl.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2015, 11:14:37 AM
 :D australia 10-3 :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 11:18:40 AM
:D australia 10-3 :D

Holy Excrement Batman.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP89467 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKP89467)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on August 06, 2015, 11:22:30 AM
:D australia 10-3 :D
come on!!!!!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Floydy on August 06, 2015, 11:27:05 AM
15-4  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BoingFlyer on August 06, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
 Could do with a really boring ashes game not going to get anything done at work now...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2015, 11:35:20 AM
23-5 !!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2015, 11:44:02 AM
29-6 Into the bowlers!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 11:52:39 AM
Six wickets down and only one Aussie has made it to ten runs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
Finn strikes with his second ball 33-7
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 11:59:34 AM
33-7!
They'll struggle to make 50 at this rate.
 :o.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2015, 12:02:18 PM
The bowlers will hit out and get them to just short of 100 I think
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 12:14:14 PM
46-8 !!!

broad on 6 for 10 !

Incredible
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2015, 12:16:04 PM
7 wickets for broad. 9 down :o :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 12:17:31 PM
7 wickets for broad. 9 down :o :D

TMS online is slow, you must be a good 2 mins in front of me !

Anyway, batting second before lunch on 1st day !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2015, 12:18:29 PM
BOOOOOO they made 50!!

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 12:35:44 PM
BOOOOOO they made 50!!

13 of their current 54 runs are extra's.
How embarrassing.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 06, 2015, 12:42:22 PM
All out for 60. Broad finishes with a remarkable 8 wickets for 15 runs!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Downunder Stripes on August 06, 2015, 12:45:09 PM
Highest scorer ..... Extras 14
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 12:46:36 PM
Highest scorer ..... Extras 14

Absolutely hilarious stat'.
 :).
Now watch England go 59 all out.
 :o.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 12:49:35 PM
The bowlers will hit out and get them to just short of 100 I think

Gotta say it's a good job the bowler's made such a significant contribution by hitting 'out'.
 ;).

Imagine how low the score would have been if they hadn't have made such a fine effort.
 :).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 06, 2015, 12:50:46 PM
Least number of balls faced EVER !!!  :o  :o
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Downunder Stripes on August 06, 2015, 12:53:46 PM
Bowlers got 27 of the 46 runs scored
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on August 06, 2015, 01:07:29 PM
wow what a start
I bet old Rodney Marsh is doing a rain dance
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 06, 2015, 01:13:52 PM
The Aussie's first innings score was the lowest in the Ashes Series since 1948!

http://www.itsonlycricket.com/entry/1204/ (http://www.itsonlycricket.com/entry/1204/)

The lowest in any Ashes Series was also Australia, 36 in 1902 played in Birmingham.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 06, 2015, 01:40:47 PM
Having stayed awake most of the series to watch the Aussies beat us 5-0 this at the moment feels pretty sweet  ;D ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: charliemike on August 06, 2015, 03:01:49 PM
1 in front amazing . It should be won now . I had the Aussies to win 4-1 . It might be the other way around .nice to keep our cousins down hey . ( only joking ) .
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 06, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
Incredible day of cricket

I have no words to describe how good England were.

The Ashes are coming home  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 06, 2015, 08:28:38 PM
Incredible day of cricket

I have no words to describe how good England were.

The Ashes are coming home  :D

I was thinking how would they cope without Jimmy Anderson. Stuart Broad was quite simply Awesome. The Aussies must be shellshocked. Wonderful days cricket.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 06, 2015, 08:32:01 PM
Thats Cricket at its best.Better viewing than any game of football was that
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 06, 2015, 09:56:59 PM
Two good half centuries today.
One from Joe Root, the other from Australia.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: baggie53 on August 06, 2015, 11:01:02 PM
I thought "Extras" did really well for the Aussies today
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 07, 2015, 12:37:20 AM
It's great being a Pom down here right now and I make sure they hear the accent.  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 07, 2015, 12:42:04 AM
Amazing first day at Trent Bridge. The ashes are coming home!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 07, 2015, 02:46:32 AM
Well done to Stuart Broad for taking up the mantle as our main strike bowler in the absence of James Anderson in such devastating style.

8-15 is a truly remarkable performance and against quality opposition, taking most of the top order batsmen and stubborn tail enders.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on August 07, 2015, 10:00:14 AM
I was thinking how would they cope without Jimmy Anderson. Stuart Broad was quite simply Awesome. The Aussies must be shellshocked. Wonderful days cricket.

I would imagine he'll be at the top of any shortlist for BBC's sports personality in November
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 07, 2015, 10:22:17 AM
I would imagine he'll be at the top of any shortlist for BBC's sports personality in November


most definitly team of the year if nothing else
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 10:24:08 AM
Need to make sure we bat well today and give them any kind of sniff of saving this. Hopefully get to about 450-500
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 11:56:43 AM
Need to make sure we bat well today and give them any kind of sniff of saving this. Hopefully get to about 450-500

Never mind then 333/8 Just Finn left in the hutch.

Hopefully Ali and Broad get us a few more on the board, but we are still plenty infront
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
Never mind then 333/8 Just Finn left in the hutch.

Hopefully Ali and Broad get us a few more on the board, but we are still plenty infront

Bit of a damp squib this morning, but the ball is doing stuff, so I think Wood / Finn will enjoy this (soon)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 03:16:47 PM
Frustrating so far. Fear not - i've just turned over, i missed 5 wickets yesterday when i had to turn it of when the sky man came.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 03:18:05 PM
Frustrating so far. Fear not - i've just turned over, i missed 5 wickets yesterday when i had to turn it of when the sky man came.

Unbelievable - it worked!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
Unbelievable - it worked!
Sit still ! Do not go anywhere!
Oh and thankyou.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 03:30:25 PM
And another....8 more wickets to go, Aussies 200 behind
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 07, 2015, 03:39:28 PM
136-4
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 07, 2015, 03:41:15 PM
Dropping like flies now!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 07, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?

Oh yes, the ashes are ours now !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 07, 2015, 03:53:44 PM
I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?

Sshhhhh! Don't jinx it  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 07, 2015, 03:58:09 PM
I've missed 3 of the 4 wickets! We could still potentially wrap this up today. Ashes in the bag?

Any chance that you could pop down the road for a paper or something please?

A really long road would be good, in Arizona perhaps?
 :) ;).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on August 07, 2015, 08:38:20 PM
Any chance that you could pop down the road for a paper or something please?

A really long road would be good, in Arizona perhaps?
 :) ;).

I completely went out as i had to take my girlfriend to the garage that was in for an MOT. I was a bit miffed as i thought i'd miss us sealing it but it looks i only influence the wickets if switch over to Sky Sports News!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Downunder Stripes on August 08, 2015, 11:39:02 AM
I think the Aussies really need to drop Extras down the order, he's been their most consistent performer this test .
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 08, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Well done England for regaining the Ashes. A fantastic team effort, Brilliant
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Legend on August 08, 2015, 11:45:43 AM
Great stuff, well done England!  8)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: kc56wba on August 08, 2015, 11:46:32 AM
Well done England.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 08, 2015, 11:52:29 AM
Great stuff the England cricket team.

Not just an Ashes victory though, but a humiliating defeat for the Aussies.
 8).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 09, 2015, 09:09:21 AM
Just back from a wine tasting weekend in the Yarra Valley and during the course of the weekend met up with loads of Ozzies and had a bit of good natured banter with them.

All in all, the Ozzies I met took the defeat and loss of th Ashes well and were philosophical about losing. But I suppose there is little option for them.

Well done to all the England boys, you did us proud, particularly those here in the Australian area of the antipodes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 09, 2015, 01:13:11 PM
Delighted for Alastair Cook.

After all the abuse, criticism and knives in the back he has received in the last two years, he deserves to enjoy every single minute of this moment
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 22, 2015, 12:46:44 PM
England all out for 149. Trailing by 332, Australia enforce the follow on. Looks like the series ending 3-2
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on August 22, 2015, 02:48:01 PM
Australia's bowling has been much better with Siddle and Marsh a revelation in this game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 22, 2015, 03:13:07 PM
time for Lyth and Bell to go
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on August 22, 2015, 06:46:20 PM
Agree on Lyth - overall I think he's come off worse than Compton, Carberry and Robson.

Bell is looking dodgy but he's really had some unplayable balls in this series ...at least 4 I can think of.

It's only Cook, Root and Stokes who should be certain selections of the top 6.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 22, 2015, 09:23:04 PM
I completely went out as i had to take my girlfriend to the garage that was in for an MOT. I was a bit miffed as i thought i'd miss us sealing it but it looks i only influence the wickets if switch over to Sky Sports News!
Haven't noticed this thread before. Shocking stuff at the Oval but we all want to know - Lewisant, did your girlfriend pass her MOT?  ;)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 16, 2015, 09:19:54 AM
Alistair Cook 200 not out, well done cookie. this game is heading towards a bore draw
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on October 16, 2015, 10:37:26 AM
Yes this is the other end of the test cricket spectrum from the Ashes - no crowd, no atmosphere, hot conditions, slow pace. Bore draws is the best England can hope for I think.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on October 16, 2015, 12:19:54 PM
Nothing in the pitch for either sides bowlers
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on October 16, 2015, 12:22:15 PM
tis like watching the Albion and paint drying
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on October 16, 2015, 10:15:23 PM
At least our games don't last 5 days
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on October 17, 2015, 10:59:45 AM
At least our games don't last 5 days
It feels like it at times.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2015, 11:57:27 AM
anybody watching
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2015, 11:59:27 AM
Fascinating, do they go for it or not?

Personally I think its reachable if (big if) we get a solid start.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2015, 12:04:01 PM
Fascinating, do they go for it or not?

Personally I think its reachable if (big if) we get a solid start.


i dont think the pitch has worn as per normal, so yes go for it. good steady start so far after 2 overs
we need someone to score a hundred but 284 is doable with a day to go
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2015, 12:06:33 PM
I'd love to see Bell get a ton in these circumstances.

Or Moeen Ali come to that
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2015, 12:52:05 PM
well I managed to put a hex on those 2.

think its best that I say that England have lost this now!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 04, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
I'd love to see Bell get a ton in these circumstances.

Or Moeen Ali come to that



no chance now, cooke and root are our only hope. Taxi for Bell
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on November 04, 2015, 12:56:59 PM


no chance now, cooke and root are our only hope. Taxi for Bell

Reckon Bell will be playing a lot of county cricket next season !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on November 04, 2015, 01:14:45 PM
Reckon Bell will be playing a lot of county cricket next season !

Time to ring the changes then?
For whom the bell tolls.
 ;).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on November 05, 2015, 09:24:53 AM
150 - 9  :-[
looks like we've snatched defeat from the jaws of victory
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on November 05, 2015, 09:50:40 AM
Lost by 127 runs  :(
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2015, 09:57:52 AM
never going to be easy on dead pitches, england needs to look at its batting
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 05, 2015, 10:29:24 AM
A massive step towards a solution is smashing the leather to all parts in South African domestic cricket...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on November 05, 2015, 10:52:42 AM
A massive step towards a solution is smashing the leather to all parts in South African domestic cricket...

Agreed, currently in classic form.........a joy to watch.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 05, 2015, 11:28:01 AM
i love test cricket, long may it live
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 05, 2015, 05:08:21 PM
A massive step towards a solution is smashing the leather to all parts in South African domestic cricket...
If he hadn't have been such a complete ars* he'd still be in the setup....so smashing the ball to all parts in a 20-20 isn't relevant anymore.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 19, 2015, 06:04:39 PM
No bells are ringing for South Africa then, peitersen says its a disgrace
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on November 19, 2015, 06:49:53 PM
No bells are ringing for South Africa then, peitersen says its a disgrace

Interesting programme on ITV 4 tonight at 10pm about Pieterson
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 28, 2015, 05:25:31 PM
England looking tasty for the future.I decided to stay in and watch the cricket today instead of travelling up to the Hawthorns.great viewing
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 28, 2015, 08:35:04 PM
We're in a great position to go on and win the test match.

Think the selections of Nick Compton and James Taylor will prove to be success in the long run.

Unsure on Alex Hales but he needs to be given time. I still wouldn't put it past Compton and Hales swapping positions eventually.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 28, 2015, 10:21:53 PM
Massive concerns over the bowling for me, far too reliant on Anderson and Broad with not much coming through, that said Jimmy is probably our best ever...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 30, 2015, 08:54:45 AM
Big West Brom flag behind the wicket. 2 wickets to get.This team are improving all the time. without Anderson too
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on December 30, 2015, 09:29:29 AM
Big West Brom flag behind the wicket. 2 wickets to get.This team are improving all the time. without Anderson too

I kn ow quite a few who've gone. Went boxing day and dont come back for another ten days. Must be superb
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: PepeMel on January 03, 2016, 10:52:52 AM
What a session of cricket. Ben stokes take a bow 202 not out.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 03, 2016, 10:55:27 AM
That was sensational from Ben Stokes - incredible batting.

On a more important note, it puts us into a position where not even England can lose this test match!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on January 03, 2016, 01:28:43 PM
Some of the best batting you'll ever see top quality hitting from Stokes.

Pure brilliance.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 18, 2016, 05:50:07 PM
What a fantastic chase by England, sadly it came in spite of the captain, who for me needs to be shown the door.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jimmy on March 18, 2016, 05:59:44 PM
Listened to the whole game, sounded incredible.

Those wickets at the end of our innings!?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 18, 2016, 06:28:08 PM
Listened to the whole game, sounded incredible.

Those wickets at the end of our innings!?

Jordan went for the big finish, then Willey got mixed up trying to pinch a single, wasn't as nerve-wracking as it seemed really.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 19, 2016, 08:12:04 AM
What a fantastic chase by England, sadly it came in spite of the captain, who for me needs to be shown the door.



What the Irishman
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 19, 2016, 08:17:09 AM


What the Irishman

Decent ODI player but a dreadful captain and badly out of sorts with the bat in T20's. If Pietersen was in his place and we had one world class bowler we'd have a real chance in the tournament.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 23, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
england 50-5 against the mighty Afgans :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 10:41:04 AM
92/7 - shambles
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on March 23, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Won by 15 runs, just about over the line   :o
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Mikkyk on March 23, 2016, 01:36:57 PM
If we start games as well as we finish them we might be a very good team!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 26, 2016, 09:38:15 PM
Well done England   T20 semis
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 26, 2016, 09:55:37 PM
Well done England   T20 semis

They were superb today after a sticky start. Buttler was wonderful. And without Topley we look a decent bowling side. Morgan owed us that today.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 30, 2016, 05:56:17 PM
well done england in the final of the world t20 s
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 31, 2016, 08:42:03 AM
About time that a team we "follow" won a semi final !!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on March 31, 2016, 08:46:33 AM
About time that a team we "follow" won a semi final !!


very true but the women team bottled it yesterday
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Greenock Baggie on March 31, 2016, 08:51:31 AM
I'll leave that to the women on here............IF ANY !!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on March 31, 2016, 04:19:16 PM
Got to say Kohli is looking genius level in this tournament. Great player to watch with so many different shots in his armoury and most of them pure cricket shots.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 31, 2016, 04:22:46 PM
Need a Chris Gayle masterclass now

Think we've got more of a chance against them than the hosts
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on March 31, 2016, 04:34:15 PM
Need a Chris Gayle masterclass now

Think we've got more of a chance against them than the hosts

Oh well that's fked that then  ;D 6-1
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Baggieman1805 on March 31, 2016, 04:47:41 PM
Oh well that's fked that then  ;D 6-1

Sorry  :-[
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on March 31, 2016, 08:07:31 PM
Cracking game and great effort by the Windies to win after losing Gayle and Samuels early.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jimmy on March 31, 2016, 08:53:36 PM
Shame its not a England vs India final.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on April 03, 2016, 06:09:39 PM
England have just thrown it away!Braithwaite with 4 Sixes in the final over off Stokes :(
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on April 03, 2016, 06:20:09 PM
How have England lost that final!

Braithwaite has slogged stoakes about like a Sunday player!!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on April 03, 2016, 06:23:53 PM
Absolutely gutted

19 overs of brilliance from a unit that got absolute pelters prior to the tournament is destroyed in four deliveries.

Superb batting from Carlos Braithwaite.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on April 03, 2016, 06:34:39 PM
Complaining on social media about Stokes...that was T20 Cricket at its best hats off to the Big Brathwate to hit 4 sixes one after the other takes some doing no matter what level you play at.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2016, 06:37:03 PM
Stokes deserves criticism, he missed his length on all 4 balls, a total bottle job, great hitting from Brathwaite. England were 20 runs short anyway. Deserved victory by the best team in the world in this form of the game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on April 03, 2016, 06:42:34 PM
Missing a length is one thing ive seen quite a few in both innings today but they didnt get hit for four straight sixes as someone who has played alot of cricket that takes some doing.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on April 03, 2016, 06:54:30 PM
Missing a length is one thing ive seen quite a few in both innings today but they didnt get hit for four straight sixes as someone who has played alot of cricket that takes some doing.

I've played cricket for the best part of the last 20 years every Saturday I'm not down the Albion, new season starts in 2 weeks. They were length balls, all 4 of them ideal for getting under and away, It was a very poor over; he needed to get the yorker in and he failed, no shame in it because as I said we didn't get enough runs, but you cannot just write it off as good batting.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jimmy on April 03, 2016, 06:56:06 PM
Our lack of runs, you could argue, didnt factor in as much as it should have. Sh*te last over from stokes. Theres no way he should be hit for four straight sixes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on April 03, 2016, 07:06:31 PM
I've played cricket for the best part of the last 20 years every Saturday I'm not down the Albion, new season starts in 2 weeks. They were length balls, all 4 of them ideal for getting under and away, It was a very poor over; he needed to get the yorker in and he failed, no shame in it because as I said we didn't get enough runs, but you cannot just write it off as good batting.

Getting under and away is alot different to getting them for six.  I agree about scoring for me in T20 you need at least a target around 180 in a final.

We will have to agree to disagree as in my view those four balls could be bowled exactly the same 20 times over and you would get that type of result.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on April 03, 2016, 07:08:07 PM
Theres no way he should be hit for four straight sixes.

Thats why T20 cricket is such a big draw.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on April 03, 2016, 07:15:27 PM
Yeah, there is some skill in hitting the right length for a Yorker - get it slightly wrong in the last over and it's likely to disappear. After he got the first one wrong and it sailed over the fence it was pressure on and he failed to recover from that.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on April 03, 2016, 08:43:22 PM
Getting under and away is alot different to getting them for six.  I agree about scoring for me in T20 you need at least a target around 180 in a final.

We will have to agree to disagree as in my view those four balls could be bowled exactly the same 20 times over and you would get that type of result.
prior to todays final im sure they said that 157 was the highest score ever in a t20 final so the England score wasn't that bad on reflection.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Blowee on April 03, 2016, 10:10:23 PM
Surely Braithwaite is a Yorkshireman? Shouldn't he have been playing for England?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 04, 2016, 12:22:22 PM
Ben Choakes are some of the headlines this morning, bit unfair really
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2016, 04:48:20 PM
Alistair cooke 10,000 runs
Most runs as england captain - Alistair cooke

Another series won, in some style.

 Captaincy has broken many former "greats". Exceptionally under-estimated is Alistair,

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on May 30, 2016, 08:13:13 PM
Superb batsman. One of England's finest.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2016, 08:19:02 PM
Brilliant achievement. 2nd best England batsman of his generation.

450 wickets for Jimmy Anderson too, great day for English cricket.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on June 01, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
Jimmy now number one in the rankings for the first time in his career. Superb stuff
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 23, 2016, 03:16:54 PM
England going very well at the moment 513-6. Joe Root 213 no.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 23, 2016, 04:17:15 PM
The last test lords the home of cricket the pitch always favours the opposition, the groundsman should be sacked
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on July 23, 2016, 05:32:44 PM
The last test lords the home of cricket the pitch always favours the opposition, the groundsman should be sacked
The groundsman wasn't to blame for England's batting display at Lords. Yasir took 10 wickets on a pitch that was hardly turning.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 23, 2016, 06:48:19 PM
England going very well at the moment 513-6. Joe Root 213 no.

England declared at 589 - for 8. Pakistan closed on 57-4. Trailing by 532 runs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 23, 2016, 09:05:32 PM
Woakes the new Anderson?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on August 05, 2016, 12:19:32 PM
Anyone been to Edgbaston for this test? Went the first day and going tomorrow to. Pakistan have the edge but are now 296-5, hopefully we can restrict the lead.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: B_H_Baggie on August 05, 2016, 08:59:07 PM
Anyone been to Edgbaston for this test? Went the first day and going tomorrow to. Pakistan have the edge but are now 296-5, hopefully we can restrict the lead.

Went to the first day but only chance I had as it landed on a day off, helps when you can smuggle in 8 liters of Magners between two of us to keep the cost down though.

Managed to get ourselves into a decent position at end of play today.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 30, 2016, 06:28:59 PM
Cracking innings from England hit a world record ODI score of 444-3

https://www.facebook.com/SkySports/videos/10154490373678762/
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 09, 2016, 09:17:58 AM
well done Joe Root on your 11th test century
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 09, 2016, 11:11:28 PM
He has every chance of going down as our greatest ever batsman.  The boy is incredible

Good to see Moeen getting in the runs too. Hope he gets to three figures in the morning.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbastrollers on November 10, 2016, 07:52:08 AM
He has every chance of going down as our greatest ever batsman.  The boy is incredible

Good to see Moeen getting in the runs too. Hope he gets to three figures in the morning.

Stokes,not bad either.
Just reached a century.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2016, 12:00:03 PM
Stokes,not bad either.
Just reached a century.
Yes Stokes has every chance of going down as our greatest ever all rounder....we shouldn't overbowl him so that he stays fit.
Stokes and Root should walk into any world X1 during the next decade.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 10, 2016, 03:00:27 PM
Yes Stokes has every chance of going down as our greatest ever all rounder....we shouldn't overbowl him so that he stays fit.
Stokes and Root should walk into any world X1 during the next decade.

Stokes has a way to go to be considered alongside Botham or Flintoff a very long way.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on November 10, 2016, 03:33:47 PM
Stokes has a way to go to be considered alongside Botham or Flintoff a very long way.

the potential is there though, The stats were analysed on TMS this morning and IF Stokes keeps going at the rate he is, he could become a great.
He would have to wrest an ashes series from the Aussies (spits) grip to be as acclaimed as Beefy / Freddy though.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2016, 05:32:48 PM
Stokes has a way to go to be considered alongside Botham or Flintoff a very long way.
Flintoff himself says that Stokes is a proper batsman whereas he was just a 'slogger'.
We are talking potential here...Stokes is a seriously good batsman already.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 10, 2016, 06:42:06 PM
Flintoff himself says that Stokes is a proper batsman whereas he was just a 'slogger'.
We are talking potential here...Stokes is a seriously good batsman already.

Self deprecation. Flintoff was superb. A world class bowler and a destructive batsman, he hardly ever "slogged" as you(and apparently he) put it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on November 10, 2016, 06:58:45 PM
Self deprecation. Flintoff was superb. A world class bowler and a destructive batsman, he hardly ever "slogged" as you(and apparently he) put it.
So you know better than Flintoff himself now do you? And you say i talk some b0llox!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on November 10, 2016, 07:17:05 PM
So you know better than Flintoff himself now do you? And you say i talk some b0llox!

Which part of self deprecation don't you understand? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both words?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 10, 2016, 07:21:44 PM
So you know better than Flintoff himself now do you? And you say i talk some b0llox!

Jacko is right.

Flintoff has never been one to boast about his cricketing abilities.

He was a popular character - and enjoyed the limelight - but he would always play down his cricketing abilities. It was one of the remarks made when he suffered his depression fight in 2006
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 10, 2016, 07:24:35 PM
And you two need to kiss and make up.

If you continue chasing each other around the forum to have pops at each other then I'll just remove your posts  :)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 10, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
Self deprecation. Flintoff was superb. A world class bowler and a destructive batsman, he hardly ever "slogged" as you(and apparently he) put it.
I agree to an extent....Flintoff was a bowling all rounder, who made occasional spectacular innings. With the bat he made 5 centuries but he also had spells where he looked all at sea against spin bowlers especially. Stokes is a batting all rounder ...he has the technique to bat at No 3 or 4 for England, already has 3 test hundreds including a 250. Has made runs against spin in the sub continent or pace against the Aussies in Perth. He's not there yet but massive potential.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on November 11, 2016, 12:32:42 AM
Which part of self deprecation don't you understand? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both words?
I would love to meet you face to face and continue our discussions!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 11, 2016, 08:45:22 AM
Now now ladies :D  anyway this is most definitely a batters wicket
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 11, 2016, 08:51:01 AM
Correcting my own Stokes mistake....4 test hundreds in different continents
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on November 11, 2016, 09:11:00 AM
Back to this match, nailed on draw. They're 230-1 and coasting.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on November 11, 2016, 01:02:56 PM
Which part of self deprecation don't you understand? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess both words?

Clearly not a phrase you have ever used in respect to yourself Jacko  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 12, 2016, 11:29:05 AM
Superb from England today. India bowled out and a very solid partnership from Cook and Hameed at the end.

For a 19 year old, Hameed looks a very, very classy player.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on November 13, 2016, 10:41:33 AM
Fantastic viewing this, beats the international football hands down
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 13, 2016, 11:17:15 AM
Match drawn.

Fantastic effort from England to get so close. Even better when you consider many had predicted us to be comfortably beaten.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 13, 2016, 11:23:08 AM
Good performance which sets the series up very nicely....should keep us interested over the next 5 or 6 weeks.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on November 28, 2016, 11:22:06 AM
When did we forget how to bat?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on November 28, 2016, 11:36:32 PM
When did we forget how to bat?
Not an easy business out there - India's runs have basically come from Kohli, Pujara and Ashwin with not much from the others....still life in this series yet but we have to up it a level.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 29, 2016, 08:01:17 PM
Wasn't a demon of a surface too - providing you were in and batted sensibly then you were able to score runs. India made a hash of their first innings too but some fine batting from Kohli, Jadeja and Ashwin allowed them to turn the screw. Unfortunately we were behind the game by that point and this is a batting line up that is continuosly struggling whenever a run of quick wickets fall.

Disappointing to see Hameed going home - he has been a breath of fresh air throughout the tour and batted remarkably well when you consider he has a broken hand.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Loughborough Baggy on November 29, 2016, 09:42:20 PM
Love watching Hammed.  So uncomplicated and calm.  He seems so happy to occupy the crease.  It can make such a difference for the middle order when the openers take the shine off the ball and tire the opening bowlers.  @ the end he showed he could clear the ropes too.  What a shame he's gone home.  Must mention Stokes as well - supreme competitor. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 20, 2016, 03:04:24 PM
totally blown away on this tour, having said that India have been superb.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 21, 2016, 12:05:20 PM
for me i hope Cookie remains captain
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on December 21, 2016, 12:37:55 PM
for me i hope Cookie remains captain

Not sure on Cook but wouldn't push Root into it. Let him concentrate on his game, one of the best batsmen in the world
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 21, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Cook resigning as captain is not going to have any real effect on our test match side to be honest. The issues are bigger than the captaincy - until we address our lack of spinning options and the brittleness of our middle order then we are going to lose test matches.

India are very strong at home - Kohli,  Ashwin and Jadeja have been impressive throughout and ended up being the difference.

Had England held onto a few more catches and batsman who got themselves 'in' made a score like Kohli did then it would have been a different series. For that, we have ourselves to blame.

If anyone should be concerned about Cook resigning then it should be Eoin Morgan.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 21, 2016, 11:16:27 PM
Not sure on Cook but wouldn't push Root into it. Let him concentrate on his game, one of the best batsmen in the world
Who else would do it though...of those certain of a place Stokes (has too much on his plate already), Bairstow (ditto) Ali (captain - no way), Anderson (captain - no way), Broad (captain - no way). It has to be Root.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 22, 2016, 04:54:08 PM
Cook must be sacked. Looking at our middle order they really need to find some quality. It's absolutely embarrassing KP will not have pulled on the shirt for 4 years this summer.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheBrom on December 22, 2016, 05:18:43 PM
Cook must be sacked. Looking at our middle order they really need to find some quality. It's absolutely embarrassing KP will not have pulled on the shirt for 4 years this summer.

Especially after scoring over 300 not long ago. Who else other than Root has that in their locker
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on January 15, 2017, 11:14:19 AM
Brilliant 50 from Stokes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Baggies on January 15, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
Looks like we are going to throw away a great lead now though.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on January 15, 2017, 02:40:07 PM
Looks like we are going to throw away a great lead now though.
Yeah getting battered, Kholi just took 3 dots then smashed a 6 for his 100.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 15, 2017, 02:41:28 PM
Made the mistake of getting wickets. Keep Kohli sat down watching. We're a dreadful bowling team in India.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 16, 2017, 11:46:25 AM
as per with anything England, bottled it. Morgan should not be captain either
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2017, 11:49:00 AM
England's one day bowling attack is desperately poor, great potential in the batting line up but not one of the bowlers is good enough for that team to win the world cup. You could maybe, maybe get away with a couple of them with world class bowlers in the team but we don't have that, and the team continually struggles to get wickets as a result and quell the flow of opposition runs. Whenever England win one day games its almost always by batting the opposition out the game or chasing a big total.

I mean look at the attacks list A bowling averages from yesterday:

Ben Stokes - 28.51, economy 5.64

Jake Ball - 28.79 economy 5.60

Chris Woakes - 36.46 economy 5.57

David Willey - 33.02 economy 5.61

Moeen Ali - 42.87 economy 5.35

Adil Rashid - 31.61 economy 5.35



Most of them don't even have good List A averages by county level let alone look like cutting it internationally. Even the couple that do, Stokes bowling has been terrible in limited overs for England, though he's at least a powerful batting option too. Compare that to say the averages of the Australia team and you see how desperate our bowling is. Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, India and Pakistan all have substantially better bowling line ups than us.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on January 29, 2017, 04:11:07 PM
England making hard work in the T20, losing wickets too easily.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on January 29, 2017, 04:27:00 PM
Great match going on. Come on England!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2017, 04:45:05 PM
24 needed for england fron 2 overs, close
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2017, 04:51:25 PM
8 from 6, home & hosed
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2017, 04:52:09 PM
maybe not, root out. 8 from 5
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 29, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
bottled it again
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 29, 2017, 05:13:36 PM
bottled it again

Bloody hell, should have had that.  >:( Well bowled at the end to be fair.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on January 29, 2017, 06:23:23 PM
Bloody hell, should have had that.  >:( Well bowled at the end to be fair.
Well bowled at the end but result heavily influenced by the decisions of an umpire. Both going in favour of India. :-X
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on January 30, 2017, 11:50:21 PM
The Joe Root decision was appalling.

Having said that - England should have got across the line. Never looked in any sort of danger until we lost the wicket of Ben Stokes.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2017, 09:48:34 PM
England chasing 202 in the final t20.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2017, 10:22:03 PM
England chasing 202 in the final t20.
Are you watching on catch up?  ???
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on February 01, 2017, 10:27:01 PM
Are you watching on catch up?  ???
I thought I was watching a live game. :-[ you've spoilt it now :'(
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on February 01, 2017, 10:34:53 PM
I thought I was watching a live game. :-[ you've spoilt it now :'(
:-X Never said a word, guv.  8)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on February 01, 2017, 11:27:11 PM
I thought I was watching a live game. :-[ you've spoilt it now :'(

Ha ha ha.

That's funny as fk  :P .
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on February 06, 2017, 09:37:21 AM
very sad for me Alistair Cook steps down as england captain
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on February 06, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
Hopefully Cook can enjoy his batting a bit more now, he's had a pretty long stint.
Can't see any alternative to Root but he'll have a lot on his plate as he's our best batsman plays in tests, ODI and t20. Oh and he's just become a Dad too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Jimmy on March 09, 2017, 04:38:16 PM
Just seen a few baggies fans on the telly in the crowd at Barbados.

Lucky buggers.   ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 06, 2017, 11:29:23 AM
First Test against South Africa today. Batting first 17-2 Cook gone for 3 in his first test innings since giving up the captaincy.

Poor start. Root in now
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 07, 2017, 10:43:29 AM
Just seen a few baggies fans on the telly in the crowd at Barbados.

Lucky buggers.   ;D

Haha just seen that, that was me!!!

There was 14 of us went over for ten days including a day at the cricket and decided to wear our tops.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BigFrank20 on July 07, 2017, 10:57:09 AM
I wonder if Roooooooooot will get his double ton today? Well on his way to becoming an English cricket legend I'd say
(hope that's not a jinx call)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 07, 2017, 11:00:54 AM
I wonder if Roooooooooot will get his double ton today? Well on his way to becoming an English cricket legend I'd say
(hope that's not a jinx call)

I'm sure he will, he's a class act.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 07, 2017, 11:12:48 AM
I wonder if Roooooooooot will get his double ton today? Well on his way to becoming an English cricket legend I'd say
(hope that's not a jinx call)

Out for 190  :o
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 07, 2017, 11:17:12 AM
367-7  2-10 so far this morning
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Morany on July 10, 2017, 03:34:06 PM
Great win, and despite some sloppy batting from SA , Ali bowled very well
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 23, 2017, 05:43:22 PM
Well done England ladies for winning the World Cup, great ending to the match
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 23, 2017, 05:49:57 PM
Well done England ladies for winning the World Cup, great ending to the match

Great result!. Well done Ladies.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 28, 2017, 04:28:51 PM
good start for Toby
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 31, 2017, 03:08:53 PM
Hat trick for Moeen Ali to win the 3rd test for England.

https://www.facebook.com/SkySports/videos/10155612766903762/
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2017, 03:07:28 PM
anybody doing the day night cricket at Edgbaston? only 2 pints allowed mind. good atmosphere i would imagine
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 15, 2017, 05:58:24 PM
anybody doing the day night cricket at Edgbaston? only 2 pints allowed mind. good atmosphere i would imagine
I plan on having more than 2 pints.   ;)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
Pink balls 🏀
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 15, 2017, 10:12:33 PM
Pink balls 🏀
It could get chilly in the Eric Hollies stand at 9pm, they might be blue balls.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on August 15, 2017, 10:16:44 PM
Pink balls 🏀
yo ay been on Budleigh Salteron naturist beach. :D

http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Rplj3YpUwmC03xKbcUxTFgEsEs&w=104&h=101&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.25&pid=3.1&rm=2

try sun factor 50 next time
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 15, 2017, 10:31:22 PM
yo ay been on Budleigh Salteron naturist beach. :D

http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Rplj3YpUwmC03xKbcUxTFgEsEs&w=104&h=101&c=8&rs=1&qlt=90&dpr=1.25&pid=3.1&rm=2

try sun factor 50 next time



Not been there for 3years, I do miss the place. Slapton sands much more comfortable under feet
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 17, 2017, 08:43:02 AM
Off to Edgbaston today

Hope the weather stays nice!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on August 17, 2017, 09:48:35 AM
Off to Edgbaston today

Hope the weather stays nice!

I'm there tomorrow - it doesn't look promising. Fancy trying to play cricket, in England at 9:00pm.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 17, 2017, 10:42:59 AM
what are the times folks
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Legend on August 17, 2017, 01:04:13 PM
Play ends at 9 I think, might watch a bit later.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Powelly on August 17, 2017, 01:11:51 PM
what are the times folks

2pm start, play scheduled to finish at 9 but can go on till 10pm. I'm there tomorrow, looking forward to it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 17, 2017, 01:13:18 PM
more beers sold i would imagine
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 17, 2017, 01:17:41 PM
i love test cricket over any other form of the game. bet ther will be a few go along after their working day. if the weathers right it could work
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheBrom on August 17, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
England running away with it already
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheBrom on August 18, 2017, 06:14:12 PM
England declare on 514-8, Cook scoring 243! Batted from first til last ball
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 21, 2017, 06:36:27 PM
Day night test matches should never happen again in this country

We cannot rely on the weather for it to happen and we also lose a lot of the natural light.

In countries like those from the sub-continent and the West Indies it makes perfect sense

And day/night cricket is not going to turn around the fortunes of West Indies cricket
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheBrom on August 21, 2017, 06:55:24 PM
Day night test matches should never happen again in this country

We cannot rely on the weather for it to happen and we also lose a lot of the natural light.

In countries like those from the sub-continent and the West Indies it makes perfect sense

And day/night cricket is not going to turn around the fortunes of West Indies cricket

They were saying on the radio that they wouldn't be surprised to see one of the ashes matches played in day/night format.

Agree it doesn't tend to get dark enough early enough here to really benefit, but the timings may suit the fans a bit more and attract those that may not be able to go during the day.

Ironically they were hoping for bad weather so that the match wasn't finished before the lunch break because of how poor West Indies were
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on August 22, 2017, 06:59:34 PM
Got to say the non stop 'Don't take me home' was a right pain...might be good for those singing who are well oiled but I don't want to sit in the ground listening to it or sit at home listening to it. Don't mind the odd couple of minutes but not endless...........

Generally I'm against day-night tests....the only good thing is that like any sporting arena it looks good under lights.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 25, 2017, 10:43:20 AM
hoping to do 3 weeks in Australia for 2 of the ashes tests. magical
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheBrom on August 26, 2017, 12:07:06 AM
hoping to do 3 weeks in Australia for 2 of the ashes tests. magical

Very jealous my friend
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Oldbaggie on August 26, 2017, 10:09:58 PM
hoping to do 3 weeks in Australia for 2 of the ashes tests. magical
If you manage the Adelaide test then go on the Adelaide Oval roof climb. I did it in March and it was awesome, even though there was nothing taking place at the time. You can book a time when you can watch the cricket, about 30 minutes, from seating on the roof before finishing your climb. The experience is well worth it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2017, 01:05:33 PM
86-2. its going to the wire
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2017, 03:27:38 PM
178-2. prey for rain folks
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 29, 2017, 06:46:54 PM
windies win the second test
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on August 29, 2017, 06:54:06 PM
Full credit to the Windies and I'm pleased to see it. We are used to big swings happening between 2 test matches but who could have seen this one coming ?

 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 29, 2017, 07:41:21 PM
Well done windies, I hope Joe Root stays as adventurous in the future it was a good declaration just a better run chase
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: theboywiththe arabstrap on September 03, 2017, 08:47:36 PM
I personally thought it was a poor declaration.  I think they can be a bit overly-defensive with setting 4th innings targets, but I thought this was too far the other way!

What's everyone's XI for the ashes as it stands then?  Real shame Hameed's form has been so poor this county season, else he'd be the obvious opener for Cook.  Hales in for Malan, and god knows who in for Westley.  Can they persuade Colly to come out of retirement?   :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 03, 2017, 09:24:18 PM
Nothing wrong with the declaration - came at the right time with a reasonable total to defend.

As for the Ashes - really not sure - there are two places up for grabs and they belong to Malan and Westley. Not sure either are of the required standard but I think I would be continuing with Malan at present who has showed the character and that "nitty gritty" attitude that is needed for Test cricket. Westley looks quite shot and I am not quite sure who is available to set in and replace him unless there is some re-jigging of the order.

At present it is something like:

Cook
Stoneman
??
Root
Malan (??)
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 05, 2017, 05:28:58 AM
James Anderson is head and shoulders above the rest of this team. I actually feel a bit sorry for him.


BT are talking it up but this test will see a 200/175 run defeat.


Hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Aussie Baggie on December 05, 2017, 09:52:46 AM
James Anderson is head and shoulders above the rest of this team. I actually feel a bit sorry for him.


BT are talking it up but this test will see a 200/175 run defeat.


Hope I'm wrong.

The Poms are holding their own at the moment mate.
It's not over till it's over and they're making a game of it.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on December 05, 2017, 09:55:45 AM
My nerves are shredded following this. It should have been out of sight ages ago, but..........

Smith dropped a clanger not forcing the follow on.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 05, 2017, 10:11:34 AM
The Poms are holding their own at the moment mate.
It's not over till it's over and they're making a game of it.


Proving me wrong thus far but needs Root to get about 160 of them.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 05, 2017, 10:15:30 AM
Yes, I am hoping he doesn't rest on his laurels, the hard work has only just begun for him
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on December 05, 2017, 11:20:04 AM
Yes, I am hoping he doesn't rest on his laurels, the hard work has only just begun for him

Set up for a fantastic final day, should get a result before the late session, I hope. As my nerves will not take seeing that thing swinging around like that again.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on December 05, 2017, 11:21:49 AM
A good day for England, just a pity the top 3 went so cheaply.........

We didn't expect this when the Aussies went in to bat again!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 05, 2017, 04:18:50 PM
this is why i love test cricket the best team sport easily for me, a great days play
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 05, 2017, 11:36:37 PM
It's a shame but the Ashes just can't be copied, it's totally unique and long may it survive and flourish whoever wins......no T20 6 hitting contest with every gimmick under the sun can come close.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 06, 2017, 05:23:05 AM
40 runs better than I predicted but left to rue the joke decision at the toss. Difficult to retain the Urn now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 06, 2017, 06:48:19 AM
Was up at 3 saw Woakes and Root fall then went back to sleep
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 06, 2017, 10:30:02 AM
Was up at 3 saw Woakes and Root fall then went back to sleep

A wise decision. I foolishly kept listening.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 06, 2017, 10:35:00 AM
A wise decision. I foolishly kept listening.

As soon as Woakes went second ball you knew what was coming.

I would have less of an issue with it if we were playing the Australian team of the late 90's, but this side are poor and are still trouncing us.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Aussie Baggie on December 06, 2017, 11:19:43 AM
As soon as Woakes went second ball you knew what was coming.

I would have less of an issue with it if we were playing the Australian team of the late 90's, but this side are poor and are still trouncing us.

I agree mate. This is in no way anywhere near a strong Aussie side.
Our bowlers are the exception. Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon are all top class and England can't handle them. Our pace trio are consistently in the 140s and there is no respite.

But the batting is brittle. Take out Smith and we are vulnerable. Warner is out of form, Bancroft has promise but has not nailed down his spot. Kawaja is hit and miss and I reckon Handscomb is under pressure. Shaun Marsh has done well but he could easily fail in the next three Tests. Tim Paine is no Haddin or Gilchrist.

I'm happy we're 2-0 up but I didn't expect to be.
It'll be hard for England to come back from here.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on December 06, 2017, 12:01:41 PM
It'll be a miracle if this team avoids a whitewash.

Pretty much guaranteed to lose when their to have the batting collapse every innings and the bowling will largely be ineffectual from here on in. Usually they get away with the poor batting at home with lower order hitting, but the lower order always get wiped out by the Aussie bowlers. England have one genuinely good batsmen in Root, then a few hit and miss in Cook (who just doesn't look up to much these days I'm afraid), Bairstow and Ali. Then a bunch of awful batsmen. Poor selection decisions over recent years are unfortunately coming home to roost for England.


The mentality of this side is also pretty awful, they either win games where they're on top throughout the entire game, or lose. Don't have the ability to battle through tough days and come out on the winning side.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 06, 2017, 12:21:27 PM
after yesterday heroics normal service was resumed today. whitewash it will be im afraid
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 06, 2017, 08:49:04 PM
I agree mate. This is in no way anywhere near a strong Aussie side.
Our bowlers are the exception. Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon are all top class and England can't handle them. Our pace trio are consistently in the 140s and there is no respite.

But the batting is brittle. Take out Smith and we are vulnerable. Warner is out of form, Bancroft has promise but has not nailed down his spot. Kawaja is hit and miss and I reckon Handscomb is under pressure. Shaun Marsh has done well but he could easily fail in the next three Tests. Tim Paine is no Haddin or Gilchrist.

I'm happy we're 2-0 up but I didn't expect to be.
It'll be hard for England to come back from here.
Absolutely right. The bowling attacks are the difference. This match had the most 'English' like bowling conditions that we are likely to get in Aus plus England had the bonus of bowling under the lights when Smith chose to bat rather than enforce the follow-on. Duncan Fletcher back in 2005 wanted bowlers who could bowl 86 mph plus and we had Harmison, Flintoff, Simon Jones plus Hoggard to swing it about...we need to start looking for a similar combination.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Aussie Baggie on December 17, 2017, 03:51:44 AM
Hmm. Not many comments here gents.

You guys haven’t given up the Ashes have you?

Kudos to Dawid Malan for his 140 in this Test but if you made that you’d think you would have the highest score in the match.

Smith 239 and Marsh 181 were class knocks. Good fight back by England on Day 4 but only the weather is going to save them.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on December 17, 2017, 06:33:44 AM
39-2 looks like they've given up anyway
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: GREGMT on December 17, 2017, 07:18:32 AM
Unbelievable not picking Tom Curran.  It seems Stuart Broad is undroppable.  Who’s in charge Bayliss and Farbrace or the players?  What does Bayliss actually do?

Reminds me of Eriksson and Capello.  Money for old rope.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: VVVAlbion on December 17, 2017, 10:34:49 AM
Can not take twenty wickets in a match, can not win the Ashes. Ben Stokes is a big miss and an injured Ali isn't helping.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: timdon on December 17, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
Hmm. Not many comments here gents.

You guys haven’t given up the Ashes have you?


Kudos to Dawid Malan for his 140 in this Test but if you made that you’d think you would have the highest score in the match.

Smith 239 and Marsh 181 were class knocks. Good fight back by England on Day 4 but only the weather is going to save them.
Speaking for myself..........yep
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 17, 2017, 12:38:56 PM
England are only any good on English wickets , I think the whole county league sceen needs looking at. Do kids play cricket at schools
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 17, 2017, 01:38:23 PM
Only one senior player has stood up to be counted (Anderson). Cook, Root, Ali and Broad should hang their heads in shame
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on December 17, 2017, 11:05:19 PM
England are only any good on English wickets , I think the whole county league sceen needs looking at. Do kids play cricket at schools

Cricket in school nowadays is totally different

The time is limited and its largely a case of whacking the ball as far as you can
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on December 18, 2017, 12:27:24 AM
Sadly this is what happens when every county side prepares green wickets where 85mph swing bowlers look world class. When you come up against teams in conditions that don’t suit, regardless of how bang average the team is, we just can not compete with them.

Agree about Cook, Broad, Root et al. Shocking performances
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on December 18, 2017, 12:29:14 AM
P**sing down in Perth.  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 18, 2017, 02:06:48 AM
P**sing down in Perth.  ;D
Yep in Scotland but it's sunny in perth Australia.🔆🔆🔆⛅⛅🚿🚿
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gavinrussell on December 18, 2017, 06:44:22 AM
3-0 by the end of the day..Ashes over..poorest performance for a long time from our so called senior players...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gavinrussell on December 18, 2017, 07:49:41 AM
Embarrassment complete...Men against Boys...turgid and depressing performance. .
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on December 18, 2017, 08:28:14 AM
3-0 by the end of the day..Ashes over..poorest performance for a long time from our so called senior players...

Poorest performance since we last played away from home and got tanked by India. It's becoming an alarming trend under Bayliss. Once they lose a game they seem unable to find their way back into a series. As for demanding changes in the County Championship, no chance. That might happen when Australia come over to England and beat us 5-0 but as it stands one tour every four years isn't enough for the ECB to move around the two one-day competitions to fit in first-class matches in July and August when the pitches are driest.

Stoneman, Malan and Overton come out with a little bit of credit, as does Anderson who has atleast managed to find a way to take some wickets. Cook, Root and Broad as senior players need to have a series word with themselves - I wouldn't be surprised to see next summer be Cook's last if he doesn't make some runs. Root has to stop getting 50 and out, compare his conversion rate to Steve Smiths - he isn't in the same league.

I'd be starting next summer with something along the lines of:

Stoneman, Cook, Malan, Root, Bairstow, ,Foakes (wk), Curran/Stokes, Overton/Broad, Leach, Porter/Garton, Anderson.

If we're ever going to be successful away from home again we need a proper spin bowler - Leach is currently the best we have and we need to give one of the young quicks a chance I've gone for Porter or Garton, I think Mark Wood is finished at test level.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on December 18, 2017, 11:40:27 AM
Chin up lads. To have been 368/4 and to have lost by an innings is an impressive achievement.  ;)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on December 18, 2017, 11:46:04 AM
Root for me is never a captain. give it to Bairstow
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on December 18, 2017, 06:14:56 PM
Root for me is never a captain. give it to Bairstow

Root never seems to me to be mentally strong enough. Lost the mind games battle with Smith pretty early. Should of worried about what the Aussies were doing instead of saying.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on December 18, 2017, 06:39:07 PM
Root's looking pretty lost and what he's saying doesn't make sense as in  'we haven't been blown away'.

Unfortunately there were no obvious alternatives when he got the job. Of the automatic selections at the time
Stokes - enough on his plate already (that's when he's not banned)
Bairstow - keeps wicket and is an important batsman...no reason to believe he'd do any better and he's got enough on his plate already.
Anderson  - doubt he's up for it or suitable
Broad - doubt he's suitable
Ali - can't see it happening.

So Root got it and will keep it for now - we have to go to Australia better equiped in the bowling department especially.





Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on December 29, 2017, 12:36:51 AM
Cook 244 not out, good knock but a bit late.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 04, 2018, 09:36:16 AM
Good recovery spoilt somewhat by the bizarre decision not to have a nightwatchman. Brain-dead  >:(
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 04, 2018, 11:55:59 AM
Root fancy getting yourself out, thats most likely cost us
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 07, 2018, 11:01:29 PM
Root in hospital due to severe dehydration. Crazy to play in those temperatures.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on January 08, 2018, 07:25:30 AM
Thank God it's now over. Embarrassing.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: MarkW on January 08, 2018, 10:32:23 AM
Root in hospital due to severe dehydration. Crazy to play in those temperatures.

Wasn't it due to gastroenteritis? The heat won't have helped mind.

Least the tour is over. Need to have a serious think about our red ball game
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Scruffy Stan on January 08, 2018, 10:37:39 AM
It's interesting - so much of what's being said by people from the England camp in the wake of a dreadful tour sounds a lot like what TP used to say after each dismal defeat.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Mikkyk on January 08, 2018, 02:05:51 PM
I don't think Bayliss is cut out to coach a test team - signs were there when we lost at home to the Windies in Summer.

Ideally, if he could stay on to coach the ODI/T20 teams and we get a new guy in to coach the test team.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 22, 2018, 10:32:15 AM
won the one day series, well done england
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on January 22, 2018, 05:16:41 PM
Aussie has been conspicuous by his absence since the ODI series started  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on January 28, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
well done england bashed the aussies 4-1, great win today
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on February 13, 2018, 09:26:30 AM
Our T20 bowling attack is absolute garbage. Big improvements needed.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on February 13, 2018, 09:37:02 AM
Our T20 bowling attack is absolute garbage. Big improvements needed.

Agreed, Woakes is still to come back into that attack and, subject to legal proceedings, Stokes, which will strengthen us moving forward. Wood, Willey and Jordan aren't up to it though. Always makes me laugh with the clamour of wanting Wood back in the side in all formats purely because 'he bowls quick'
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on March 07, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
 Dunedin looks a fantastic setting where New Zealand are playing England in the 4th ODI. free on sky sports mix tonight.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2018, 01:47:37 AM
Dunedin looks a fantastic setting where New Zealand are playing England in the 4th ODI. free on sky sports mix tonight.


Surreal innings by England. Raced to 260 for 1. Then 46 for 8. Then 18 off the last 5 balls from Curran. Centuries for Bairstow and Root. Single figures for virtually everyone else.


Should still be a winning total but it's a very good pitch.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gavinrussell on March 07, 2018, 06:18:38 AM
Taylor's innings..WOW....
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 07, 2018, 06:30:46 AM
Mark Wood though... again.


And Morgan, not bowling out Woakes or Curran.


Only ourselves to blame.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 07, 2018, 06:51:06 AM
Mark Wood though... again.


And Morgan, not bowling out Woakes or Curran.


Only ourselves to blame.

Agreed. Woakes must always bowl his full allocation.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 07, 2018, 08:00:49 AM
Have to say - New Zealand looks a wonderful country to play cricket. What a place
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on March 07, 2018, 11:31:39 AM

Surreal innings by England. Raced to 260 for 1. Then 46 for 8. Then 18 off the last 5 balls from Curran. Centuries for Bairstow and Root. Single figures for virtually everyone else.


Should still be a winning total but it's a very good pitch.
one of the craziest one dayers  I've seen, sixes and fours all over the place for England until they reached 260, then I think we went 5 overs with a single being the highest scoring run.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 22, 2018, 02:06:11 AM
Speechless. England are 23 for 8, 64 minutes into the 1st test.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 22, 2018, 06:03:40 AM
Christ. That was not what I was expecting to wake up to...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on March 22, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
October to April, whoever "planned" this tour wants sacking, ridiculous!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BRIAN on March 22, 2018, 09:31:01 AM
Why do we have to play so much cricket? Money!!! My favourite sport has gone mad. The players will be knackered and although getting good financial rewards will mostly have short carreers.   
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 22, 2018, 11:55:41 PM
Speechless. England are 23 for 8, 64 minutes into the 1st test.

You got your pads?  :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 23, 2018, 12:15:36 AM
You got your pads?  :D


Season starts in 5 weeks... I'm not in for my batting though...


Was truly awful last night. Here I am again though waiting for it to start. Glutton for punishment.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on March 23, 2018, 01:12:51 PM

Season starts in 5 weeks... I'm not in for my batting though...


Was truly awful last night. Here I am again though waiting for it to start. Glutton for punishment.

Even so, you could still offer something with the bat  :D

The rain has been undoubtedly our best player so far
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BigFrank20 on March 25, 2018, 07:21:26 AM
Aussies cheat at cricket, shock horror no wonder they kicked our arses in the last series, we ought to demand a re-match!  :P

Not really they'd still hand us our rear ends without cheating  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 25, 2018, 07:52:27 AM
England making a better fist of their 2nd innings. Bowling depth extremely concerning outside Anderson and Broad.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 25, 2018, 08:24:39 AM
Stoneman absolutely brain dead. Gets his 4th fifty in tests and has been out before reaching 57 each time. Compared to Henry Nicholls who got a century over 4 different days the levels of application are night and day.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on March 25, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
England making a better fist of their 2nd innings. Bowling depth extremely concerning outside Anderson and Broad.
Yes we fail to get the big players out in their own countries. We couldn't get Kohli out in India, Smith in Australia and Williamson starts with a ton in this series. Root should be our big player - talented but usually gets himself out (as do most of the rest also).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: GREGMT on March 25, 2018, 08:20:12 PM
Let's be totally honest we don't have a bowler in Trent Boult's class.  He's the Kiwi's best bowler since Hadlee, although Bond was decent when fit.

The pitch was pretty flat when we were shot out for 58 and the Black Caps made 427 on it!

There looks to be a massive problem with England:

1) Trevor Bayliss free wheeling and just picking up his massive salary like Capello/Eriksson?
2) Root not a motivator as captain?
3) Team unable to switch from white ball slogging to Test Match batting?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on March 25, 2018, 09:39:09 PM
We've had a load of trouble against top class left arm pace...Johnson, Stark, Boult.
We haven't for ages had a left armer remotely in that class so our batsmen are not used to it. I've watched a lot of cricket over 50 plus years and I'm struggling to think of one English/British left armer in that class.
Bowling machines in the nets are not the same. So we just need to find a quick left armer who can bowl it in the right place.......
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on March 27, 2018, 09:30:12 AM
We have no spinner, only two batsmen capable of making a score and a coach that doesn't watch County Cricket. Where do you start with that?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 30, 2018, 03:02:25 AM
Glutton for punishment. I'm here again watching this shambles. Cook is surely finished at test level, find it incredible Vince was recalled and middle order extremely fragile.


Don't even get me started on the useless Wood being back in the team.


Currently 115/5. Just lost 3 wickets for 1 run in 9 balls. Bairstow and Stokes trying to rebuild.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: beechyboy90 on March 30, 2018, 03:06:40 AM
Glutton for punishment. I'm here again watching this shambles. Cook is surely finished at test level, find it incredible Vince was recalled and middle order extremely fragile.


Don't even get me started on the useless Wood being back in the team.


Currently 115/5. Just lost 3 wickets for 1 run in 9 balls. Bairstow and Stokes trying to rebuild.

I can't work out which one is pissing me off/upsetting me more, these bellends or the tossers in blue and white stripes. World Cup can't come quick enough so those nobs can let me down too haha
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on March 30, 2018, 06:27:44 AM
Got themselves out of jail there. Excellent from Bairstow and a great knock from Wood, can't personally see it but maybe it'll give him some confidence and improve upon his dreadful record with the ball.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on March 30, 2018, 12:04:15 PM
Lower order to the rescue as ever
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dan on March 30, 2018, 12:30:53 PM
Aside from Root, Bairstow, and Stokes (in his all rounder position anyway), the rest of the batting line up needs to go. Not remotely good enough and hasn't been for some time.

It's sad to say, but Cook is done, he never really recovered his form 2013 onwards and now gets out too cheaply too often. A couple of double hundreds shouldn't hide that. Stoneman, not good enough by a longshot, Vince one of the worst selections ever (22 average after 13 games!), Malan not good enough either.

Not sure who the replacements should be, but big changes need to happen. Farbrace needs to go, the county championship not producing good enough players is one thing, but he doesn't even pick good players from there. Vince has been in dreadful county form 3 years in a row yet for some reason we persist with him in the naive belief he's going to be good.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on March 30, 2018, 03:23:41 PM
Aside from Root, Bairstow, and Stokes (in his all rounder position anyway), the rest of the batting line up needs to go. Not remotely good enough and hasn't been for some time.

It's sad to say, but Cook is done, he never really recovered his form 2013 onwards and now gets out too cheaply too often. A couple of double hundreds shouldn't hide that. Stoneman, not good enough by a longshot, Vince one of the worst selections ever (22 average after 13 games!), Malan not good enough either.

Not sure who the replacements should be, but big changes need to happen. Farbrace needs to go, the county championship not producing good enough players is one thing, but he doesn't even pick good players from there. Vince has been in dreadful county form 3 years in a row yet for some reason we persist with him in the naive belief he's going to be good.
This is the problem, if you keep throwing people out of the team, who has their hand up to come in ? There's a few candidates for the one day line up but who will have the technique to stand up to test cricket ?

I think it's too early to throw Stoneman out just yet as he's earned the chance with runs in county cricket. He needs to score bigger when he gets to 50 but so far he's had 5 tests against a very strong Aussie attack and it's Boult and Southee in this series.

Not sure why you pick on Farbrace for the selection from the county game. There's a selection committee to blame for that.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on April 03, 2018, 01:26:12 PM
Only England struggle to see out a test match
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on May 14, 2018, 11:35:04 AM
So the CC is done until the end of June. No real surprises from the first few games. Runs tough to come by on green pitches, plenty of wickets for the seamers and Worcestershire losing every week (sigh).

Ollie Pope, Rory Burns, Joe Clarke all done their bit to make the selectors sit up and take note. A few wickets for Jake Ball at the start of the season also.

With the first test of the summer against Pakistan starting next week it will be interesting to see what Ed Smith does in his first go at picking a side.  My side would be:

Cook
Burns
Root (C)
Malan
Bairstow
Stokes
Foakes (wk)
Broad
Leach
Anderson
Ball

On a side note I see Ireland are on their way to an innings defeat in their inaugural test. The Pakistan bowling attack has plenty of variety, will cause England problems should our form from the winter continue.

EDIT: Ireland not giving it up so easily. O'Brien century and if they can manage another 50 or so this morning they set Pakistan a tricky total.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 27, 2018, 12:42:57 PM
shocking performance by bat and bowlers
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on May 27, 2018, 05:54:10 PM
Just watched the highlights. England were truly awful.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on May 27, 2018, 06:43:13 PM
Crazy number of batting collapses over the last 2 or 3 years. It's not as though they are facing the Windies at their peak or Wasim and Waqar at their peak. Bayliss came in with a reputation of someone who would improve our one day game, which he has, so I guess you reap what you sow but the test performances are woeful and he has to carry the can.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on May 28, 2018, 02:56:56 PM
Where to start.

Too many collapses over the last few years, wrong bowlers getting picked Woakes should have played that Test. Root and Stokes both played criminal shots to get out. Please please please can we find a decent opening batsmen.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on June 01, 2018, 09:24:19 AM
Start of the second test today. Jennings gets another go despite not playing a FC game since the 11th May.

I can realistically see a home summer where we don't win a test match.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 01, 2018, 09:26:43 AM
Start of the second test today. Jennings gets another go despite not playing a FC game since the 11th May.

I can realistically see a home summer where we don't win a test match.

Not sure what you want him to do about that given there haven't been any County Championship matches since that date and in that match he hit 126...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on June 01, 2018, 09:36:15 AM
Not sure what you want him to do about that given there haven't been any County Championship matches since that date and in that match he hit 126...

That's the point. How as a selector you're meant to find in form players from the CC when they play two games between early May and September is beyond me. That said, I'd sooner have had Burns, or even Hildreth from Somerset.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 01, 2018, 09:46:51 AM
That's the point. How as a selector you're meant to find in form players from the CC when they play two games between early May and September is beyond me. That said, I'd sooner have had Burns, or even Hildreth from Somerset.

Oh, if the criticism is of the scheduling of the County game then I am fully in support, as the current schedule is an absolute nonsense. I thought you were using it as a criticism of Jennings, or his selection.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on June 01, 2018, 10:08:44 AM
Oh, if the criticism is of the scheduling of the County game then I am fully in support, as the current schedule is an absolute nonsense. I thought you were using it as a criticism of Jennings, or his selection.

The scheduling is ridiculous and to think about adding the 100 ball idea along with the franchise t20 is plain stupid.

In fairness I wouldn't have picked Jennings over Burns or Hildreth. Both of whom's records show an ability to accumulate runs that Jennings doesn't have.

Stokes out, Curran likely to make his debut.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 01, 2018, 10:45:06 AM
Good to see Woakes back in. Be nice to see him prove doubters wrong again
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 01, 2018, 12:56:40 PM
Good to see Woakes back in. Be nice to see him prove doubters wrong again

Two wickets already. What a man. Shame he supports the Vile
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2018, 01:04:28 PM
good start by england 68-4 broad 2 and woakes 2. lords wickets are rubbish. Klopp i am sure would have something to say
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 01, 2018, 01:57:49 PM
78-6

All over them
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on June 01, 2018, 02:03:12 PM
78-6

All over them


roles reversed
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on June 04, 2018, 01:16:00 AM
How inconsistent maybe we have our mojo back? I wouldn’t bet on it though!
Well done lads can we have same next time please
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on June 04, 2018, 08:24:48 AM
Anderson and Broad continue to perform, proving the doubters wrong that it's still our batting that needs reinforcement and not the bowling. Still feel the top order needs a massive shake up, even Bairstow is struggling to score a run at present, don't know whether it would be worth taking the gloves off him and giving them to Buttler who impressed. I like Bess also, always seems to be involved in the game. Shame he will more than likely be sent back to Somerset when Leach is back fit.

We may as well stick with Jennings for the remainder of the summer now, he's made runs against India previously. Malan should be dropped but it's anyone's guess who they'll replace him with. Probably Gary Ballance.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on June 04, 2018, 03:31:35 PM
It was 25 years ago today the Shane Warne bowled "The Ball of The Century" to Mike Gatting and what a ball it was!

Unbelievable delivery, as Gatting would attest to and unplayable, which he would also attest to.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXanXViSEOI
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on June 10, 2018, 11:15:46 PM
Scotland defeat England in odi.  DOH
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on June 11, 2018, 06:52:07 PM
Good game to watch. Hales running Root out and then not going on to score big himself was the main turning point.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 11, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
Good game to watch. Hales running Root out and then not going on to score big himself was the main turning point.


Not really they should have inebriated it when Ali and Plunkett needed 30 off 6 overs. Pathetic loss really...
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on June 11, 2018, 08:48:26 PM

Not really they should have inebriated it when Ali and Plunkett needed 30 off 6 overs. Pathetic loss really...
Still a good game.... but I agree that was the other major turning point after they'd rebuilt. In fairness Watt's figures were outstanding in the context of the game and he did Moeen when he looked in total control.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 19, 2018, 07:41:33 PM
England shatter the ODI record with an incredible 481/6
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 20, 2018, 08:40:10 AM
I only caught about 15 overs as I was at work, but from what I saw of it when Bairstow and Hales were in, they were going big every ball. Hales skied a couple that landed safe, but I loved watching them play with some freedom and confidence in their ability.

Split the test and the one day coaching and the future looks very bright for us. Need a proper test coach in as Bayliss is not performing in that regard.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 01, 2018, 06:42:30 PM
1st day of the 1st test against India England collapse from 216/3 to 285/9
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on August 01, 2018, 07:38:15 PM
1st day of the 1st test against India England collapse from 216/3 to 285/9
I have booked a day off work and am going tomorrow a bit disappointed England wont be doing much batting!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on August 01, 2018, 07:47:40 PM
Great start but the same problems persist/

Cook poor.
Root can't convert a 50.
Malan can't score a run.
Bairstow gets himself in and gives his wicket away.
No runs from the supposedly deep batting line up.

I wont write them off completely until India have had a bat but I don't hold out much hope, we simply don't have a bowler on the same planet as Ravi Ashwin.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2018, 07:53:15 PM
The most enjoyable thing about watching the England test team is watching Anderson bowl. A true great of the game, looking forward to tomorrow.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on August 01, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
Boycott always says if you're batting add on 2 wickets to what's on the scoreboard to keep you grounded...in the case of England they need to add on 5 these days.

I rate Stokes, especially as a batsman, but that dismissal on top of one or two similar recently belongs in club cricket.

Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 02, 2018, 01:15:46 PM
Sam Curran - three wickets in eight balls and England are back in the test..

Great opening session
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 02, 2018, 05:26:45 PM
Love him or loath him or indifferent about him, kholi is a class batsman as he reaches his century
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Westie on August 02, 2018, 07:55:32 PM
Kohli was dropped on 21, though. England like to do things the hard way. It will be interesting to see if the selection of Rashid pays off, nothing special so far. Disgraceful kick in the teeth for county cricket players to have Rashid selected ahead of them.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 02, 2018, 07:57:10 PM
I have booked a day off work and am going tomorrow a bit disappointed England wont be doing much batting!!

Hope you had a good day mate!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 03, 2018, 12:50:55 AM
Have mommy's little soldiers fkd it up again yet?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 03, 2018, 07:27:54 AM
Root is a good batsman and at 27 you would expect him to be showing leadership qualities, but I’m not sure if he is Captain material at the moment
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on August 03, 2018, 08:54:23 AM
Hope you had a good day mate!
I did thank you Gerry you can't beat sitting relaxing pint in hand watching the cricket! Only problem is I am bald and I am now glowing! If you are up the Albion tomorrow and you see a big fat bloke with a big red head that'll be me!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 03, 2018, 01:09:29 PM
oh dear 86 for 6
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheBrom on August 04, 2018, 12:35:42 PM
England pull it back to win by 31 runs
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 12, 2018, 12:28:44 PM
England dominating . Folk who put brollies up before it starts to rain should be banned
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 12, 2018, 10:20:23 PM
The most enjoyable thing about watching the England test team is watching Anderson bowl. A true great of the game, looking forward to tomorrow.

I think I might shed a tear when he retires.

There are no words to describe how good he is.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on September 03, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
“England great to retire from international cricket after fifth Test”

Alistair Cook announces he is stepping, he’s record at international level speaks volumes about his quality

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45388727
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 04, 2018, 06:11:25 PM
I think I might shed a tear when he retires.

There are no words to describe how good he is.

How do you replace the irreplaceable?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 04, 2018, 10:00:12 PM
Alistair cook . Legend
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 05, 2018, 01:09:12 PM
How do you replace the irreplaceable?

You can't.

We are also about to find out how good a player Alastair Cook was.

An absolute class act, on and off the field.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: DaveWBA on September 05, 2018, 01:43:09 PM
Perhaps now he's announced his retirement the ECB can get over their weird idea of not picking Rory Burns because he's left handed.

No doubt instead we'll see some one-day dasher who averages 27 in red ball cricket given a chance first.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 10, 2018, 01:20:27 PM
Alastair Cook. Legend.

Starts and ends his career with three figures.

Thanks for the memories Chef !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on September 10, 2018, 07:50:40 PM
Alastair Cook. Legend.

Starts and ends his career with three figures.

Thanks for the memories Chef !

A truly fitting end to a great career.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Dudleylad on September 10, 2018, 10:58:49 PM
The Chef and his mentor Graham Gooch two of the greatest English batsmen of the modern era.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on February 02, 2019, 08:59:12 PM
The least said about the England cricket team at the moment, the better I think
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: GREGMT on February 02, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
Deservedly lost again.  Windies are full value for 2-0.

England have lost the art of Test Match Batting which is to occupy the crease and wear down the bowlers.  The talent is there, just too much white ball cricket has led to muddled thinking.

I'm pleased Bayliss is going, he never seems to give much insight during interviews.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 30, 2019, 01:25:08 PM
my favourite sport is now in full international flow
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 01:34:36 PM
my favourite sport is now in full international flow


Decent platform for England shame Buttler dragged on when he was about to fire.


Looking forward to seeing Jofra.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on May 30, 2019, 01:48:33 PM
my favourite sport is now in full international flow
Mine too until Bairstow was out  without scoring I've had him to be top scorer and England to beat India in the final!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on May 30, 2019, 01:52:40 PM
Mine too until Bairstow was out  without scoring I've had him to be top scorer and England to beat India in the final!!


a certain brand of football tipped me to like cricket more, i do miss henry blofeld
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on May 30, 2019, 03:44:36 PM

Decent platform for England shame Buttler dragged on when he was about to fire.


Looking forward to seeing Jofra.
so far so good he as took both wickets to fall so far!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 04:19:00 PM
so far so good he as took both wickets to fall so far!


Yeah it was a good start. Getting away from us a bit now Moeen and Buttler very sloppy last few overs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 04:38:38 PM

Yeah it was a good start. Getting away from us a bit now Moeen and Buttler very sloppy last few overs.


Cue Saffers collapse  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on May 30, 2019, 05:47:23 PM
That's a really commanding win. It should put the likes of India on notice.


Stokes and Archer particularly impressive.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on May 30, 2019, 07:04:02 PM
That's a really commanding win. It should put the likes of India on notice.


Stokes and Archer particularly impressive.
Agree i thought Stokes was very good.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on May 30, 2019, 07:14:34 PM
THE catch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/48467301
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on May 30, 2019, 07:15:43 PM
I think the beauty of this England team is that we are not reliant upon 1/ 2 / 3 players, there is quality throughout the squad
Very professional performance today and that catch  :o :o :o
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on May 31, 2019, 06:33:14 AM
THE catch
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/cricket/48467301

WOW  :o
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on June 03, 2019, 02:51:11 PM
England require 349 to win against Pakistan
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on June 03, 2019, 06:50:43 PM
Pakistan beat England by 14 runs
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 03, 2019, 06:51:09 PM
Very ordinary performance against poor side who had lost 12 on the bounce.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 04, 2019, 09:20:53 AM
Shocking fielding performance. The bowlers, despite what the scoreline would suggest, actually weren't all that bad, Trent Bridge is notorious for high scoring matches. Root and Buttler were great with the bat, but we lost the game because of the fielding costing us an extra 20-30 runs and none of the other batsmen stepping up to the plate, if someone else had hit a 50 with those pair performing as they did, we would have won at a canter.

Moeen is completely gone as a batsman currently.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: jonny on June 25, 2019, 03:06:38 PM
Pretty shocking batting performance so far by England today.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on June 25, 2019, 03:22:48 PM
Bottled it again. What is it with England's national teams?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on June 25, 2019, 03:54:06 PM
Our bowling and fielding were below the standards they have set in recent months as well
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 25, 2019, 04:12:22 PM
We bowled very badly first up. They've bowled very well.


Now the ball is a bit older Stokes and Buttler look comfortable (touch wood).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: caravanc58 on June 25, 2019, 05:25:35 PM
stokes gone at a crucial time, just looked like we were getting the upperhand.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on June 25, 2019, 06:30:05 PM
Horrible to watch such a talented team bottle it like this. I don't think we've ever had a football team as good as this cricket team yet the result is the same , can't handle pressure.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on June 26, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
We bowled very badly first up. They've bowled very well.


Now the ball is a bit older Stokes and Buttler look comfortable (touch wood).

Woakes bowled a decent spell, could have been fuller though, but Archer and Wood were terrible first up.

The batting continues to leave a lot to be desired. It is all well and good bludgeoning the best part of 400 against Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but that isn't what wins your tournaments.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on June 26, 2019, 09:06:40 AM
Woakes bowled a decent spell, could have been fuller though, but Archer and Wood were terrible first up.

The batting continues to leave a lot to be desired. It is all well and good bludgeoning the best part of 400 against Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but that isn't what wins your tournaments.

You’re right, but, as I understand it, run rate can be important in helping us to qualify for the semis if we are tied on points with another country, so I suppose it does help.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on June 26, 2019, 09:11:45 AM
Woakes bowled a decent spell, could have been fuller though, but Archer and Wood were terrible first up.

The batting continues to leave a lot to be desired. It is all well and good bludgeoning the best part of 400 against Bangladesh and Afghanistan, but that isn't what wins your tournaments.
Winning is a million miles away mate, we need to get their heads together and win the next two to ensure qualification.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 26, 2019, 10:17:39 AM
Woakes was no better than Archer, both bowled too short, far too short and were shown the way by Starc and co later in the day.


The less said about Wood the better. Just hasn't got anything about him. Same goes for Vince. We're in a poor run at the minute, but we've been racking up big scores against all comers for the last 3 or 4 years, not just against the minnows, so that is very knee jerk...


Fancy us to win on Sunday against India with Jason Roy (and hopefully Plunkett) back into the side.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: GREGMT on June 26, 2019, 07:32:33 PM
England are paying the price for being too casual and complacent v Pakistan and Sri Lanka.  They are just not ruthless enough when compared against the Windies from 1980's or Aussies from 1990's.

I don't see England beating India.  I reckon India could field 3 exceptional teams in this World Cup.  This is powered from the decade running IPL and the pressure that brings plus drawing from a 1.2 bn population where Cricket is the No11.  My dad was in Mumbai at 10am on a Monday and there were cricket matches being played everywhere!!!

As for Eng v Aus, Starc is by far the best bowler from any team and prides himself on taking wickets not economy rate.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: GREGMT on June 26, 2019, 07:33:09 PM
No1 even
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on June 26, 2019, 07:42:52 PM
Jesus Chrkst, looks like we going out. With Pakistan favourites to win their last two games, we need to beat New Zealand and India. How did we make such a pigs ear of this?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Baggies on June 28, 2019, 04:39:57 PM
Did we peak too early in the lead up? Knew the pressure of a home World Cup would get to us. Going to need a monumental effort to win 4 games on the bounce against the best teams in the world now, especially with how we have been playing.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on June 28, 2019, 04:47:25 PM
Or are we victims of an over inflated national ego, cricket / rugby / football every tournament we enter, we big ourselves up and then almost always fail. We are just not as good as we think we are, the rest of the world know it but we remain in denial it’s all a bit sad actually
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 28, 2019, 05:03:52 PM
We scored the record run score against Outer Mongolia. We are the greatest side of all time ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Adder on June 28, 2019, 05:30:53 PM
There is a lot of ability in the England batting but Root and Stokes aside, it needs a bit more brain engagement under pressure from the rest. Starc's bowling at those two pretty much decided the match the other day.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on June 28, 2019, 06:05:22 PM
We’ve really missed Jason Roy who is a world class Batsman/opener. Quite simply James Vince is terrible who can’t get past 25 so it puts a lot of pressure on Root who comes in at 3. Morgan is fantastic but far too aggressive and needs to manage how he bats better
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbako on June 28, 2019, 06:40:53 PM
I really like the England cricketers. Compared to their footballing counterparts they are relatively down to earth and decent role models for youngsters (on the field anyway). I always get behind them whereas I am not arsed about England football.

That said, far too many of them have lost form at the wrong time. Rashid is not bowling at his best and Morgan (apart from smashing Afghanistan around the park) has had a stinker of a tournament. Vince is obviously not upto it and our best one day player, Jos Buttler, is struggling a little. Just bad timing really.

I can't see us beating India on Sunday, so it'll be curtains for us which obviously is very disappointing.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on June 30, 2019, 04:14:31 PM
Great innings today, apart from Morgan, kids stuff from him again, looks like it will be enough and we'll live to fight another day.
Just wish Morga would drop this arrogant ice man image and admit we are under pressure as the home side, might free his shoulders up a bit.
Quality and we are favourites again, come on England!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 30, 2019, 04:44:02 PM
Great innings today, apart from Morgan, kids stuff from him again, looks like it will be enough and we'll live to fight another day.
Just wish Morga would drop this arrogant ice man image and admit we are under pressure as the home side, might free his shoulders up a bit.
Quality and we are favourites again, come on England!


If we don't dismiss Kohli soon we'll lose this game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on June 30, 2019, 04:44:42 PM

If we don't dismiss Kohli soon we'll lose this game.


And there it is. Almost as soon as I clicked post. ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on June 30, 2019, 06:16:41 PM
Dare I say it (it’s not over yet) but this has been a fantastic performance from England from the both the batting and bowling side.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 30, 2019, 06:33:38 PM
India need 44 runs in the last over!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on June 30, 2019, 06:37:39 PM
India need 44 runs in the last over!

Congratulations England!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on June 30, 2019, 06:41:02 PM
Showed real class today and beat the (2nd) best in the world.
Let's go all the way now!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on June 30, 2019, 06:48:12 PM
Looking at the next game we must surely bat first if we win the toss? Forget pitch, swing and all that bollox just get in and post a score, only time we've struggled is when chasing. Keep it simple and play to our strengths
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on June 30, 2019, 09:53:46 PM
Phew, that was a relief, but much still to do to qualify for the semis
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: mikehy on June 30, 2019, 10:08:17 PM
From the games final overs I am not convinced India wanted to win
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: GREGMT on July 01, 2019, 07:00:04 AM
Tremendous win under pressure.  Just got to beat the Kiwis.

Concerned about the Aussies with Starc, easily the best bowler.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 01, 2019, 09:06:46 AM
Great result for England. I have tickets for the Semi at Edgbaston. Really hoping England beat New Zealand for a England v India Semi final game. There won't be any of this last 10 over conservative stuff to protect wickets to improve the run rate.

I can see splitting teams on equal points by run rate in the table changing it ruined the end of yesterdays game.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 03, 2019, 02:12:42 PM
Nail biting stuff at the moment, great comeback by the Kiwi's to demolish our middle order.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 03, 2019, 03:17:40 PM
England 305 off 50,
NZ 14-2 off 5,

great start for England bowlers
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: seteefeet on July 03, 2019, 09:29:30 PM
Great win. Hopefully Sri Lanka was the kick up the arris we needed and we can go on and win it now.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 03, 2019, 09:37:40 PM
Just need to keep winning the toss.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on July 04, 2019, 09:32:31 AM
We were fortunate and somewhat flukey to pick up the dangerous Williamson’s wicket so cheaply, but who cares he was out!

Good team performance with our bowlers keeping it tight and so effectively restricting NZ’s run chase.

 Bairstow deservedly collecting the Man of the Match award for a brilliant and robust innings
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on July 06, 2019, 10:49:24 PM
Australia in the semi then.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 06, 2019, 10:54:50 PM
Australia in the semi then.


Have to fancy us at Edgbaston against anyone, will be good to get the Aussies out of the way.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on July 06, 2019, 11:43:11 PM

Have to fancy us at Edgbaston against anyone, will be good to get the Aussies out of the way.
I said it would be England v India in the Final! Nearly there.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on July 11, 2019, 10:48:02 AM
fantastic start by england
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on July 11, 2019, 11:01:42 AM
fantastic start by england
Cone onnnn Australia 14/2!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on July 11, 2019, 11:02:24 AM
14/3!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 11, 2019, 01:45:07 PM
190 / 7 off 43.

Should end up being an achievable target, need to keep the cheat off strike and the total will be manageable
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on July 11, 2019, 02:13:08 PM
Just need to see off Starc.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 11, 2019, 02:21:00 PM
Just need to see off Starc.

yep get his (Starcs) first stint out of the way and we have lots of time to play with.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 11, 2019, 02:44:46 PM
C'mon England- got yourselves into a fantastic position, now lets set up a precedent for the Ashes !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Pie on July 11, 2019, 04:01:52 PM
That Hat trick of Sixes from Roy was great to watch.  :P
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on July 11, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
Congratulations England on a Comfortable win :D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 11, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
Well that was emphatic, only lost 2 wickets and 1 of those was not out ! Well done chaps
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: leeiswba on July 11, 2019, 10:33:24 PM
Been to Edgbaston today! What an experience and what a team. Come on england!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on July 12, 2019, 07:00:11 AM
That Hat trick of Sixes from Roy was great to watch.  :P

Thats how to deal with a cheat.... great stuff!!  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BoingFlyer on July 12, 2019, 07:05:24 AM
That was my first ODI game ever, not a bad one to start with. Absolutely brilliant stuff. Smith's over was the highlight and that 3rd 6 neallry clearing the stands.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on July 12, 2019, 08:11:23 AM
the best atmosphere i have experienced at a sporting event was an ODI against India in the Hollis stand, simply brilliant and football has never come close to it sad to say !

i envy everyone who was there yesterday !
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2019, 10:58:48 PM
Very poor last 3 hours from England after a brilliant first 40 odd overs.


Badly missed Anderson or dare I say, Archer when bowling to Siddle and Lyon.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 02, 2019, 12:42:51 PM
Very poor last 3 hours from England after a brilliant first 40 odd overs.


Badly missed Anderson or dare I say, Archer when bowling to Siddle and Lyon.

Not much to disagree with here..

Looking forward to seeing Archer

Despite hating him - Steve Smith is incredible.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 05, 2019, 12:45:37 AM
Awful day at Edgbaston again today, Englands attack utterly clueless and toothless. From 122-8 on the first afternoon Australia now cannot lose the test match. Appalling from England, they declared 7 down today so their last 9 wickets have amassed 649 runs.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Baggies on August 05, 2019, 07:23:47 AM
Losing Anderson couldn't have helped, but not having an in form spin bowler seems to have been the main issue. Moeen didn't look on it in the morning session I watched. Got to hope we can dig in for a draw now. No early wickets!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BigFrank20 on August 05, 2019, 10:02:05 AM
Is there a pay on the gate option today?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on August 05, 2019, 10:29:03 AM
Is there a pay on the gate option today?

To get in or out?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 10:57:21 AM
Is there a pay on the gate option today?

I don't know for certain, but I'm betting not many tickets are sold for a fifth day of a test  match these days. So, yes there will be walk up ticket sales.

You could phone them to and ask on this number,  0121 369 1994
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 10:59:42 AM
Is there a pay on the gate option today?

Just heard on TSM, tickets are available on the gate for £25
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 05, 2019, 01:30:21 PM
85-4

No way should England lose this test.

It will be one of the greatest collapses over five days and god knows we've given some competition.

Tea on the first day seems a very long time ago..
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 01:55:27 PM
85 for 5.

It's so annoying, on the first day we had the Ozzies 30 for 3 and 128-8.

If that had been the Ozzies, they would have had their foot on our throat and squeezed the life out of us, metaphorically speaking, and this test match would have been over in 3 days!

What is it with our attitude to the game compared to theirs?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on August 05, 2019, 01:59:14 PM
85-4

No way should England lose this test.

It will be one of the greatest collapses over five days and god knows we've given some competition.

Tea on the first day seems a very long time ago..

Tea on the final day is a long way away as well.......
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 05, 2019, 02:10:34 PM
Utter shambles, this.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: mulliganstired on August 05, 2019, 03:01:26 PM
Speaking as a Scot... hard cheese chaps  :)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 05, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
That was as shocking batting. Not surprised one bit mind very rarely. Ali, Denly and maybe now Bairstow to be dropped. Time for Leach maybe Curran, but Stokes at five and move Woakes up.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 05, 2019, 04:39:38 PM
Speaking as a Scot... hard cheese chaps  :)

Speaking as a World Cup Winner,  hard cheese in not making the finals  ;)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 05, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
We are England we just have to turn up to win ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Aussie Baggie on August 17, 2019, 07:03:35 AM
So any of you guys worked out how to get Steve Smith out yet?

I’m looking forward to kicking back tonight and watching him do his stuff.

But if you do get him out we’ll fold like a bad poker hand.

We have no batsmen beside him.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: hardtobeat on August 17, 2019, 08:16:12 AM
So any of you guys worked out how to get Steve Smith out yet?

I’m looking forward to kicking back tonight and watching him do his stuff.

But if you do get him out we’ll fold like a bad poker hand.

We have no batsmen beside him.
Cheating convict should with anybody else caught doing likewise have been banned for life !!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 17, 2019, 08:21:39 AM
Cheating convict should with anybody else caught doing likewise have been banned for life !!

Michael Atherton?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Laguna Baggie on August 17, 2019, 08:37:09 AM
Exactly, lots of hypocrisy from certain quarters on this one. I will be at Lord’s today ( and tomorrow) hoping for an England win but with an ear on the mobile for the score at Kenilworth Road between 3 & 5pm this afternoon. We need Jofra Archer to test Steve Smith early this morning....
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 17, 2019, 09:22:11 AM
Did Atherton actually break the rules ? I honestly can't remember it. According to the wise old wiki it states

His reputation suffered a blow when he was implicated in a ball-tampering controversy during the first Test against South Africa at Lord's, for which he was fined £2,000 by Ray Illingworth. Atherton was accused of lying to Peter Burge, the match referee.[citation needed] Atherton claims in his autobiography that he answered 'no' when asked if he had anything in his pockets. He believed that Burge was referring to nefarious substances such as resin or lip salve. Nonetheless the TV pictures were damning, showing Atherton deliberately putting dirt, taken from the pitch, on the ball. Strictly speaking, Atherton was not breaking the laws – he pointed out that plenty of bowlers improve their grip on the ball by rubbing their hands on the pitch

If its cheating then he deserves exactly the same as Smith, Warner and Bancroft, permanent ban, a cheat is a cheat.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 17, 2019, 09:30:36 AM
Regardless of the cheating Steve Smith is an excellent batsman. A pleasure to watch him.

I have tickets for day 5 so hopefully the rain now stays away and allows the chance of a result.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 17, 2019, 09:33:10 AM
Did Atherton actually break the rules ? I honestly can't remember it. According to the wise old wiki it states

His reputation suffered a blow when he was implicated in a ball-tampering controversy during the first Test against South Africa at Lord's, for which he was fined £2,000 by Ray Illingworth. Atherton was accused of lying to Peter Burge, the match referee.[citation needed] Atherton claims in his autobiography that he answered 'no' when asked if he had anything in his pockets. He believed that Burge was referring to nefarious substances such as resin or lip salve. Nonetheless the TV pictures were damning, showing Atherton deliberately putting dirt, taken from the pitch, on the ball. Strictly speaking, Atherton was not breaking the laws – he pointed out that plenty of bowlers improve their grip on the ball by rubbing their hands on the pitch

If its cheating then he deserves exactly the same as Smith, Warner and Bancroft, permanent ban, a cheat is a cheat.


As you say Athers was done for lying. Soil/dirt would not abrade the ball.


Regardless of the cheating Steve Smith is an excellent batsman. A pleasure to watch him.

I have tickets for day 5 so hopefully the rain now stays away and allows the chance of a result.


I wouldn't say a pleasure, its ungainly, ugly and awkward. That said you have admire his sheer persistence and concentration along with his incredibly good hand eye coordination. Most people trying his shuffle would average mid 20s in test cricket and be out lbw more often than not.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Aussie Baggie on August 17, 2019, 02:45:19 PM
Well that’s one way of getting him out. Smack him in the head.

Have to say though Archer is bowling brilliantly and frighteningly fast.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on August 17, 2019, 02:54:58 PM
Have we just decided to attempt to kill Smith?!

Archer's got them rattled, it's great to watch. Shame th Aussies have come back.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Albionic on August 17, 2019, 02:56:20 PM
Well that’s one way of getting him out. Smack him in the head.

Have to say though Archer is bowling brilliantly and frighteningly fast.

Bodyline, introduced by ??
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 17, 2019, 02:57:29 PM
Archer bowled a ball at 96 mph wow!!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 20, 2019, 02:14:28 PM
I had a fantastic day on Sunday - Lords really is a great sporting venue.

Good news - Steve Smith out of the third test due to concussion.

Declare victory now.  ;D
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 20, 2019, 07:51:36 PM
You accept every advantage that comes your way when playing Ashes Test cricket and that goes for both sides as no quarter is given or expected.

Having said that, I am disappointed that Smith won’t be available, he is, without doubt a master craftsman with the “willow” and it is a joy watching him plying his trade so effortlessly and expertly.

I have spent so much time feeling an irrational dislike for the opponents players, in any sport, that had genuine quality and, as a consequence, I have missed, overlooked and didn’t appreciate their quality and some outstanding performance that I now realise I will never get the opportunity to see and fully appreciate again. So, these days, I just applaud and cheer to myself when I see that quality in front of me.

Athletes careers are relatively short and as the saying goes 'You Don't Know What You Have Until It's Gone' and I have had so many moments like that that I want to see the best perform at their best even if it is to the detriment of my team or country.

I also think that Smith, his teammates Warner and Bancroft were harshly treated with the length of the bans they received for ball tampering, a dark art that has been practised in the game for many, many years and by very high ranking senior players of all nationalities. They were unfortunate in that they were found guilty and were made examples of to act as a deterrent, I hope it does, but I very much doubt it. That’s my view.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 22, 2019, 08:14:27 PM
Today only makes the decision not to pick Archer at Edgbaston look worse.


Superb bowling.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on August 22, 2019, 11:10:26 PM
Today only makes the decision not to pick Archer at Edgbaston look worse.


Superb bowling.
I thought he was injured and they rested him? Brilliant today!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Baggies on August 22, 2019, 11:19:59 PM
All I had been hearing all day on the radio was how Root's decision to bowl first had backfired spectacularly and at half 5 we were 130-2. Was shocked to see us bowl them out in the final 2 hours (although Stokes got very lucky).

Surely Root is due a big innings now at his home ground of all places.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on August 23, 2019, 11:21:07 AM
Why are we persisting with opening with Roy?

He is not a test batsman.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbako on August 23, 2019, 11:36:42 AM
Why are we persisting with opening with Roy?

He is not a test batsman.

He is not a test opener; that much is clear. He needs to be given a position in the middle order to determine whether or not he is a test batsman, however.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2019, 12:59:58 PM
A batting line up that is not designed for test cricket. Beyond pathetic now.

More gutted I've got tickets for the Oval. Be over by then.

I'd seriously consider opening with Burns and Denly. Move Bairstow to 3. Root at 4 and then a toss up between who comes in next; either Stokes or Roy. Buttler is struggling for form at the moment and can be replaced by Foakes to take keep wicket, allowing Bairstow to focus on his batting.

I think after the Ashes we may have to consider removing Denly permanently.

These are pretty seismic changes to be making during a series. We'll continue to plod along and throwing test matches away.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 23, 2019, 01:11:39 PM
54-6 at lunch. A typical England collapse.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2019, 01:51:17 PM
Woakes first ball after lunch..  ::)
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: wbako on August 23, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
This is utterly diabolical batting. Some serious questions need to be asked.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: BaggieBirdRus on August 23, 2019, 02:13:10 PM
Doesn’t get much more embarrassing than that. Root needs to be dropped as Captain
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 23, 2019, 02:30:02 PM
Crikey.

Series over.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Baggies on August 23, 2019, 03:47:02 PM
There are a lack of test cricket batsmen in general now across the globe, due to the amount of money in limited overs cricket. While bowlers can adapt fairly easily across the formats, the batting styles are completely different.

We seem to be particularly struggling, possibly not helped by having a limited overs specialist in charge of the team in Bayliss. It might improve with the new coach coming in but it won't change the fact that more and more cricketers are becoming short form specialists.

Maybe we need to offer more money for long form specialists so that it is more attractive for county cricketers to focus on this style rather than looking towards IPL and Big bash contracts.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBASPE77 on August 23, 2019, 04:04:40 PM
So many reasons to why we are a very poor batting test side. The structure of our domestic summer, playing a county game in the middle of the T20 offers no help whatsoever to batsmen. The team is full of ODI players, Root should be at four that's where he bats bests, Denly isn't up to standard. Roy should be lower down the order, Buttler can't or very rarely battle

Our batting since Bayliss came in has been very poor. When did we last score 400 in a test match?
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 23, 2019, 04:20:34 PM
There are a lack of test cricket batsmen in general now across the globe, due to the amount of money in limited overs cricket. While bowlers can adapt fairly easily across the formats, the batting styles are completely different.

We seem to be particularly struggling, possibly not helped by having a limited overs specialist in charge of the team in Bayliss. It might improve with the new coach coming in but it won't change the fact that more and more cricketers are becoming short form specialists.

Maybe we need to offer more money for long form specialists so that it is more attractive for county cricketers to focus on this style rather than looking towards IPL and Big bash contracts.

Agree with you 100% on this.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 23, 2019, 05:09:08 PM
So it's dust to dust for another Ashes series then.

Not really into cricket but here's hoping 2021 doesn't go up in a puff of smoke too.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: gerry m on August 25, 2019, 04:21:35 PM
Wow! What a game! England win by 1 wicket. Fair play lads!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: albion59 on August 25, 2019, 04:24:12 PM
Wow! What a game! England win by 1 wicket. Fair play lads!
Fair play Ben Stokes! What a player.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on August 25, 2019, 04:43:21 PM
So it's dust to dust for another Ashes series then.

Not really into cricket but here's hoping 2021 doesn't go up in a puff of smoke too.

You were saying?!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: alex1 on August 25, 2019, 04:44:10 PM
Not really into cricket, but had to stop the car and listen to the last few overs. That Ben Stokes must get into the New Years honours list.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Black Country Pride on August 25, 2019, 05:21:43 PM
Wow, wow, wow. Australia chucking their review away was particularly delicious. Ben Stokes, what a hero.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: tuamigos on August 26, 2019, 08:18:43 AM
Fantastic performance.
Sports personality of the year sorted early this year
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on August 26, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
Land of Hope, Glory and Ben Stokes!
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: skyclad99 on August 26, 2019, 09:16:08 AM
When we came to be 100 behind, I just knew that I had to stop what I was doing and watch it as something special could happen. The two cheap wickets didnt help but after that it was probably one of the most enthralling games I have seen for a long time. The Aussies could have bowled at Ben all night long and not got him out he was unplayable. Wonderful stuff all round.

After our first innings [ and much gaffawing from 'down under'] you could have got an England victory at 25/1 with the bookies......lesson learnt. 
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: SmethDan on August 26, 2019, 10:09:06 AM
You were saying?!

I was saying I'm not really into cricket but hoped for better times for England in the future. England cricket supporters have got their better, just a little sooner than expected.

To be honest I didn't even know what the earlier score was and only discovered the extent of the initial England collapse yesterday. My comments were made having read those of tittybabbas on the tw@tter and several online forums.

Generally the only time I take much interest in cricket is when we play Australia. I'd want us to smash them all over the place if it were tiddlywinks. Come on England and all of the very best for the rest of the Ashes  8) .
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on September 13, 2019, 01:30:45 PM
This thread has gone very quiet! It's a shame the way the series has played out but is Smith and Labushagne Australia have had two batsmen who have batted well every single innings whereas we haven't, even Stokes has had some poor ones. We've been weak at the top and weak in tail. We constantly seem to have been swimming against the tide in this series and have never looked in control at any point.

It's been a great series to watch but we need some test-style batsmen and some more resilience in the tail-end (as Overton and Leach recently showed - is possible!).
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on September 13, 2019, 01:44:06 PM
This thread has gone very quiet! It's a shame the way the series has played out but is Smith and Labushagne Australia have had two batsmen who have batted well every single innings whereas we haven't, even Stokes has had some poor ones. We've been weak at the top and weak in tail. We constantly seem to have been swimming against the tide in this series and have never looked in control at any point.

It's been a great series to watch but we need some test-style batsmen and some more resilience in the tail-end (as Overton and Leach recently showed - is possible!).

I would add weak in the middle order.

We're expecting some one-day flat track bullies to make the transition to test cricket, whilst often being thrown in at the deep end because of our inability to open.

I'm not expecting much to change either..
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: lewisant on September 13, 2019, 01:54:21 PM
I would add weak in the middle order.

We're expecting some one-day flat track bullies to make the transition to test cricket, whilst often being thrown in at the deep end because of our inability to open.

I'm not expecting much to change either..

Yes, i'm not a cricket expert but i've spoken a lot to my friend who adores test cricket and he says that this country is basically coming further and further away from test match cricket with 20/20 and i think something along the lines of a 10 over match planned soon? People won't know how to play test match cricket for a day soon let alone 5.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: WBAinDEVON on September 13, 2019, 02:12:34 PM
worst australian cricket team of all time i heard a top pundit say
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: Fritzl Palace on November 12, 2019, 10:54:51 AM
As a Warwickshire fan, nice to see Sibley hit a century in the warm up game ahead of the two test series in NZ. He certainly has the temprament and technique for it, time will tell as to whether he is up to the pressure and increased bowling skill he will face. He can't be any worse than Roy, though, who was an abberation of a selection.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on November 12, 2019, 01:39:02 PM
As a Warwickshire fan, nice to see Sibley hit a century in the warm up game ahead of the two test series in NZ. He certainly has the temprament and technique for it, time will tell as to whether he is up to the pressure and increased bowling skill he will face. He can't be any worse than Roy, though, who was an abberation of a selection.

Fingers crossed. He was a run machine last season.

Looking forward to seeing a partnership blossom with Rory Burns.
Title: Re: England Cricket Thread
Post by: AlbionFan on November 12, 2019, 02:05:07 PM
worst australian cricket team of all time i heard a top pundit say

I’ve just clocked this and it did make I smile 😊  But what does it say about our lot?