[DaveWBA]

Well of course it's nonsense , it's not your version....that kind of proves my point
Nobody thinks that every copper in every force is perfect but it's almost suggested that it was all deliberate, now starts the hunt for scapegoats.
I'll say again, 27 years of not accepting the truth, then when the verdict gets changed, suddenly it's the right one.

It's not nonsense, it's what happened.

It's a bit like me saying the sky isn't blue, that's just what YOU think. Christ, people thought the world was flat for years.

I'd love you to go to Liverpool and express that opinion.

[kc56wba]

Well of course it's nonsense , it's not your version....that kind of proves my point
Nobody thinks that every copper in every force is perfect but it's almost suggested that it was all deliberate, now starts the hunt for scapegoats.
I'll say again, 27 years of not accepting the truth, then when the verdict gets changed, suddenly it's the right one.

The cover up was deliberate.

[BRIAN]

I was on the Kop at Sheffield for the Albion v Leicester semi and I was crushed and had to get of the terrace. I could not get back in and  saw very little of the 2nd half.

[Albionic]

The truth (as always) is somewhere in between the Liverpool narrative and the "old establishment" narrative.

Football in those days was often 1 step away from disaster.

However the cover up was / is inexcusable and the role of West mids police in the reviews / enquiries must have some bums twitching at Steelhouse Lane.

[TheJacko2000]

There's a few people on here who would be well served to read this:

Five Hillsborough myths dispelled by inquests jury

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-35473732

[liverbaggie]

Enough said lad,well done .
I concur with your previous posts.

[wbafc68]

I wonder whether some of the recommendations of the Taylor report that have been implemented may now be looked at differently as they were based on what has proven to be incorrect evidence. I.e. all seater  stadia, no alcoholic drinks inside the playing arena, no alcoholic drinks in executive boxes whilst the game is in play. I appreciate standing is something the families of the 96 are against but these findings, in my opinion, prove the problem was the condition and management of the standing areas that resulted in the tragedy NOT standing itself.

[Morany]

I wonder whether some of the recommendations of the Taylor report that have been implemented may now be looked at differently as they were based on what has proven to be incorrect evidence. I.e. all seater  stadia, no alcoholic drinks inside the playing arena, no alcoholic drinks in executive boxes whilst the game is in play. I appreciate standing is something the families of the 96 are against but these findings, in my opinion, prove the problem was the condition and management of the standing areas that resulted in the tragedy NOT standing itself.

Proven further by the terraces across Europe

[BB74]

I wonder whether some of the recommendations of the Taylor report that have been implemented may now be looked at differently as they were based on what has proven to be incorrect evidence. I.e. all seater  stadia, no alcoholic drinks inside the playing arena, no alcoholic drinks in executive boxes whilst the game is in play. I appreciate standing is something the families of the 96 are against but these findings, in my opinion, prove the problem was the condition and management of the standing areas that resulted in the tragedy NOT standing itself.

Excellent point.

[tommcneill]

I wonder whether some of the recommendations of the Taylor report that have been implemented may now be looked at differently as they were based on what has proven to be incorrect evidence. I.e. all seater  stadia, no alcoholic drinks inside the playing arena, no alcoholic drinks in executive boxes whilst the game is in play. I appreciate standing is something the families of the 96 are against but these findings, in my opinion, prove the problem was the condition and management of the standing areas that resulted in the tragedy NOT standing itself.

An outstanding point.

Perhaps due to this it would be worth looking at this.

Basically the entire all-seater stadia law was based on lies and coverups

[kc56wba]

I wonder whether some of the recommendations of the Taylor report that have been implemented may now be looked at differently as they were based on what has proven to be incorrect evidence. I.e. all seater  stadia, no alcoholic drinks inside the playing arena, no alcoholic drinks in executive boxes whilst the game is in play. I appreciate standing is something the families of the 96 are against but these findings, in my opinion, prove the problem was the condition and management of the standing areas that resulted in the tragedy NOT standing itself.

Does anyone really think we will go back to standing, even safe standing?

[hardtobeat]

I wonder whether some of the recommendations of the Taylor report that have been implemented may now be looked at differently as they were based on what has proven to be incorrect evidence. I.e. all seater  stadia, no alcoholic drinks inside the playing arena, no alcoholic drinks in executive boxes whilst the game is in play. I appreciate standing is something the families of the 96 are against but these findings, in my opinion, prove the problem was the condition and management of the standing areas that resulted in the tragedy NOT standing itself.

if we had have had all seater this wouldnt have happened therefore standing was partly to blame

[weareblueweare white]

I wonder whether some of the recommendations of the Taylor report that have been implemented may now be looked at differently as they were based on what has proven to be incorrect evidence. I.e. all seater  stadia, no alcoholic drinks inside the playing arena, no alcoholic drinks in executive boxes whilst the game is in play. I appreciate standing is something the families of the 96 are against but these findings, in my opinion, prove the problem was the condition and management of the standing areas that resulted in the tragedy NOT standing itself.

Here here, fencing was a much bigger contribution to this disaster than standing. If there was no fencing, people would have been able to escape the crush by getting onto the pitch or moving to the sides of the stand which were nowhere near full.

[zippyandbungle]

It's not nonsense, it's what happened.

It's a bit like me saying the sky isn't blue, that's just what YOU think. Christ, people thought the world was flat for years.

I'd love you to go to Liverpool and express that opinion.

Why?
If I went to Liverpool the city would come together to beat me up, then blame me, the sun, the police etc etc

[zippyandbungle]

It's not nonsense, it's what happened.

It's a bit like me saying the sky isn't blue, that's just what YOU think. Christ, people thought the world was flat for years.

I'd love you to go to Liverpool and express that opinion.

Btw, the sky is not blue, it's transparent and made of various colourless gases

[tommcneill]

Btw, the sky is not blue, it's transparent and made of various colourless gases

Very true actually

The blue comes from the light spectrum that gets unfiltered by our atmosphere

[TheJacko2000]

Let's hope the press don't smear Albion fans by quoting this thread...

[kc56wba]

Andy Burnham who was Question Time last night was right when he said that the establishment was a disgrace with the cover up concerning Hillsborough.  Not the only the top rank of SYP but WMP as well, The police federation, the Sun newspaper, the FA, Sheffield Council,Even The Tory government at the time, should hang their heads in shame, all of the above KNEW it was a cover up.

[WBAinDEVON]

Andy Burnham who was Question Time last night was right when he said that the establishment was a disgrace with the cover up concerning Hillsborough.  Not the only the top rank of SYP but WMP as well, The police federation, the Sun newspaper, the FA, Sheffield Council,Even The Tory government at the time, should hang their heads in shame, all of the above KNEW it was a cover up.

thats terrible, corruption everywhere

[DaveWBA]

Why?
If I went to Liverpool the city would come together to beat me up, then blame me, the sun, the police etc etc

Shameful.

Btw, the sky is not blue, it's transparent and made of various colourless gases

No it isn't, it's blue. I wont let your facts get in the way of my opinion.

[Black Country Pride]

Can't believe some of the comments on here! Come on lads we're better than this.

[FallOutBoy]

Does anyone really think we will go back to standing, even safe standing?

No, it won't be allowed. It has been proven that it can be done safely, here and abroad, but it will never be passed because of Hillsborough, and the emotions connected to the issue.

[zippyandbungle]

Shameful.

No it isn't, it's blue. I wont let your facts get in the way of my opinion.

Okay so we won't agree on this but surely you can agree that their was no intention to deliberately hurt at Hillsboro , whereas hysel was deliberate?

Sky is not blue, it's a fact

[zippyandbungle]

Let's hope the press don't smear Albion fans by quoting this thread...

Again...why would it be a smear?
It's a forum , it's for opinions, the masses can't always agree.

[WBAinDEVON]

Let's hope the press don't smear Albion fans by quoting this thread...

Have you seen other fans forums, this is quite mild compared