WEST Bromwich Albion today confirm the appointment of Alan Pardew as the Club’s new Head Coach.
Alan, a former Premier League manager with West Ham, Newcastle and Crystal Palace, has agreed a two-and-a-half-year contract.
He will be adding his former assistant at Newcastle, John Carver, to his backroom staff at The Hawthorns.
With John Carver as his number 2.
Christ.................
Would love to see positive comments. This is a fresh start and a chance to move onwards and upwards.
Welcome to the club, Alan!
The board wanted somebody who knows the league , Pardew needed a vehicle to get back in the game with a view to redeeming himself after Palace went wrong .
Lets be honest he'll be looking to impress a bigger club too but we'll benefit in the short term if he does.
Not my choice but he starts with a clean slate as WBA manager not whats gone on elsewhere.
Welcome Alan and good luck.
First thing , drop the FFS attitude.
FFS who? Man United? Liverpool, Arsenal? Man City?
He's not going to get any of those jobs and other than nine or ten clubs Albion are as big as it gets in England.
Lets stop this small time mentality please. If fans talk us down what do they expect from everyone else?
Clean slate for Mr Pardew. Lets all unite and behind the club properly.
FFS who? Man United? Liverpool, Arsenal? Man City?
He's not going to get any of those jobs and other than nine or ten clubs Albion are as big as it gets in England.
Lets stop this small time mentality please. If fans talk us down what do they expect from everyone else?
Clean slate for Mr Pardew. Lets all unite and behind the club properly.
First thing , drop the FFS attitude.
I'll explain my view , when Palace hit top form you couldn't keep Pardew out the press and he was all over the England job like a rash . He thinks he's cut out for bigger things , certainly before he got booted at Palace anyway.
I have no issue with that , theres little loyalty these days.
I do believe though as much as I hate small Albion attitude , if the likes of Everton come calling he'd go I'm sure.
Its called reality , I don't like it but unless Mr Lai pumps millions in we are what we are.
Back on topic , as you say clean slate and good luck to him.
Here we go again a few hours into the job and it's doom and gloom from some. Give the bloke a chance >:(
Top 6 or not money talks , already this morning I've read from a good source theres little to spend unless some go first in January.
You're lucky there are not more FFS attitudes on here. Some of the things you read and the criticisms are absolutely mind boggling sometimes you only have to look at the attitude some fans have towards Gary Megson, it's enough to drive you to drink. That is a general comment you understand and not directed personally at you.
Everton are appointing Allardyce and to be honest with you I'm glad we've got Pardew over Allardyce. Given the choice I'd choose Pardew. Anyway Pardew isn't going there and won't go there. If he leaves us for a genuine top six club you can understand it but I'd challenge you to find me one manager that wouldn't leave us for a Champions League club.
Top 6 or not money talks , already this morning I've read from a good source theres little to spend unless some go first in January.
You don't have to tell me about some views on Megson but this is a forum and not Facebook or Twitter and we have certain standards how to debate with people. Thats for all of us not aimed at you mate. There are some crazy views but everybody can have their say in the right manner , feeling are running high no doubt after last night and in fairness with Pardew getting the job. That said like Irvine and Pulis he should be given time.
Thanks mate :D
Yes understood mate, no problem ;)
Is this the same Alan Pardew that got Newcastle to 5th in the Premier league and won manager of the year for 2012? The same bloke who got to two FA Cup finals and a League Cup final? The same bloke who got Newcastle into Europe? And already our pre conceived views and ideas condemn him as no good?
Not sure exactly who you were expecting, and he wasn't my first choice, but I would say he has a proven Premiership record so why don't we just unite and get behind him?
Welcome to the club Alan!!!!
As has been said on many occasions, we have too many Championship quality players in our squad, hence the poor results. I hope Pardew has the funds to put this right in January.
Is this the same Alan Pardew that got Newcastle to 5th in the Premier league and won manager of the year for 2012? The same bloke who got to two FA Cup finals and a League Cup final? The same bloke who got Newcastle into Europe? And already our pre conceived views and ideas condemn him as no good?
Not sure exactly who you were expecting, and he wasn't my first choice, but I would say he has a proven Premiership record so why don't we just unite and get behind him?
Welcome to the club Alan!!!!
Pardew dancing on the touchline when we score and headbutting the opposition manager when we concede 8)
Means nothing.
Pulis did some of those things as well when at Stoke doesn't mean to say he'll do it here
I'll reserve judgement until he has had a number of games under his belt but it's a sad indictment that clubs will mostly resort to the same old faces on the Premiership merry-go-round in the belief that only they could have a realistic chance of keeping teams in the Premiership whether pre-season or mid-season. Moyes was a spectacular failure at Sunderland for example.
The club pay someone (Hammond and pals) a lot of money to make the most boring uninspiring predictable appointment. And before the usual comments when Pulis was up for dismissal not one person on here or anywhere else said ‘I reckon we should sack Pulis and get ‘Pards’ in’.
FFS who? Man United? Liverpool, Arsenal? Man City?
He's not going to get any of those jobs and other than nine or ten clubs Albion are as big as it gets in England.
Lets stop this small time mentality please. If fans talk us down what do they expect from everyone else?
Clean slate for Mr Pardew. Lets all unite and behind the club properly.
Yes chap, the same boom and bust Alan Pardew who tends to lose his balance and fall from a cliff on the other side. In fairness I don't know what I expected either, just hoped we weren't going to continue with the Prem' merry go round. It's just so stale, unimaginative and bloody boring. Add Mr Carver and I'm distinctly underwhelmed.
Anyway, it is what it is.........COYfnBs ;D ;) .
In all seriousness, I was literally at the point where I would have accepted anyone other than Pulis and despite what people may say there are FAR worse options out there. Overall, I see a manager who promotes attacking football, gives the cups a go and is extremely confident in his ability which can only rub off on the players. I think most people are against him as he comes across as a bit of a Tw@t - for me though I couldn't give a toss whether he dances, headbutt's someone or anything else. All i care about is bringing a bit of excitement and passion back and I think he will do this. All together now....
We've got "clap clap" Pardiola, We've got Pardiola, We've got Pardiola. ;D
To hopefully put some of your minds at rest. I'm convinced Carver hasn't joined your club to set up coaching sessions, or provide any tactical acumen. I'm sure he's just at West Brom to be a liaison between the manager and the players.[/b]
Pardew will likely win you over early doors, and I hope for your sakes it keeps you up in the top flight, but you might soon be needing the #PardewOut fliers we made, and Palace photocopied.
To hopefully put some of your minds at rest. I'm convinced Carver hasn't joined your club to set up coaching sessions, or provide any tactical acumen. I'm sure he's just at West Brom to be a liaison between the manager and the players.
Pardew will likely win you over early doors, and I hope for your sakes it keeps you up in the top flight, but you might soon be needing the #PardewOut fliers we made, and Palace photocopied.
Appreciate what you are saying Fish, but you have never been managed by Pulis, so its all good at the moment for some of us!
Did I read somewhere that you offered him an 8 year contract? You must have loved him at one stage as that is unheard of.....
Bit of a strange day today, we don't even get top billing on the news front as 'Mr Bung' is going to Everton.
Also, both Pardew and Alladyce's previous club was Palace, and both have managed Newcastle and West Ham.......strange
Offered? He signed it I do believe, though this was driven by Ashley as opposed to it being anything to do with their fans
Appreciate what you are saying Fish, but you have never been managed by Pulis, so its all good at the moment for some of us!
Yeah, make no mistake, none of us would have offered him an 8yr deal, even at the time which was just after fluking 5th.
Nope, never managed by big Tone, but we have been managed by;
McClaren
Carver
Pardew
Kinnear
Shearer
Allardyce
Roeder
Souness
Gullit
Ardiles
We're well acquainted with bad managers. Bad managers who play bad football. Bad managers who play bad football, buy bad players and blame the fans.
I genuinely hope West Brom stay up, always got on with your fans more than fans of some other Brummy clubs. Just hope Pardew's troughs come at an opportune time.
Well you really are a barrel of fun Fish!..........top support from your boys last night BTW.
Is his press conference available anywhere, can't find it.
Thought he would have been given some club gear for the press conference
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/west-brom-video/2017/11/29/alan-pardew-watch-his-first-press-conference-in-charge-of-west-brom---video/ (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/west-brom-video/2017/11/29/alan-pardew-watch-his-first-press-conference-in-charge-of-west-brom---video/)
Comes across well.
There's quite a lot of negativity regarding Pardew's appointment, but I can't talk given the way I reacted to both Irvine and Pulis. I'm inclined to repost and edit/expand what I said last night in the now locked New Manager thread:
We need a new broom and I wouldn't be disappointed if all of the Pulis-era coaching staff leave. The players need different voices, fresh ideas and new tactics. Pardew isn't my choice, I'd rather we'd gone for someone young, hungry and talented, but the Board was obviously given a remit by Mr Lai and regarded Pardew as the best available option. No doubt there will be plenty of Albion fans who are underwhelmed by this appointment, but consider the following:Although The Fish doesn't seem to be impressed at the 5th place finish Pardew achieved at Newcastle, they don't look like repeating it any time soon, so it's not to be sniffed at. Yes the wheels came off afterwards, but that happens with lots of managers and I'm sure Pardew is very conscious of the bad runs he's had in his career. If the Board was doing its job, the panel would have asked him in his interview about the bad spells he's had and the reasons for them.
- The 11 months since he left Palace is the longest period he's been out of football for. Therefore, he's had plenty of time to ponder why things have ended up going so pear-shaped in his previous job. He might also have learned that he needs to calm down a bit in the heat of the moment!
- After a very poor end to his tenure at Palace, he knows that he could be finished at this level if things go badly with us.
- Similarly, if he does harbour any ambitions to be the England manager in the future, he has to do a good job with us.
- He got Newcastle into Europe after they finished 5th in 2011-12 and has reached 2 FA Cup finals.
- He's the only English manager to win both the Premier League Manager of the Season award and the League Managers Association Manager of the Year award in the same Premier League season.
- When he took over at Palace in Jan 2015, he guided them out of the relegation zone to finish 10th - their highest Premier League finish.
- He is undeniably attack-minded; this will be a very welcome change for us!
- In many ways he's an antithesis to Pulis, but he's achieved more than Pulis over the years and also has a higher win percentage.
- He wants to come to us - several others who also fit Lai's remit seemingly didn't want to know.
- It won't be dull!! :P
Carver was his assistant at Newcastle, where Pardew had the most success apart from his much shorter stint at Southampton, and I'm sure Pardew chose the person as his assistant who he thinks he can forge the best partnership with.
So, whilst Pardew's wasn't my choice, I would urge everyone to put aside their prejudices about him and judge him on what he does during his time with us, rather than writing him off at the outset.
There's quite a lot of negativity regarding Pardew's appointment, but I can't talk given the way I reacted to both Irvine and Pulis. I'm inclined to repost and edit/expand what I said last night in the now locked New Manager thread:
We need a new broom and I wouldn't be disappointed if all of the Pulis-era coaching staff leave. The players need different voices, fresh ideas and new tactics. Pardew isn't my choice, I'd rather we'd gone for someone young, hungry and talented, but the Board was obviously given a remit by Mr Lai and regarded Pardew as the best available option. No doubt there will be plenty of Albion fans who are underwhelmed by this appointment, but consider the following:Although The Fish doesn't seem to be impressed at the 5th place finish Pardew achieved at Newcastle, they don't look like repeating it any time soon, so it's not to be sniffed at. Yes the wheels came off afterwards, but that happens with lots of managers and I'm sure Pardew is very conscious of the bad runs he's had in his career. If the Board was doing its job, the panel would have asked him in his interview about the bad spells he's had and the reasons for them.
- The 11 months since he left Palace is the longest period he's been out of football for. Therefore, he's had plenty of time to ponder why things have ended up going so pear-shaped in his previous job. He might also have learned that he needs to calm down a bit in the heat of the moment!
- After a very poor end to his tenure at Palace, he knows that he could be finished at this level if things go badly with us.
- Similarly, if he does harbour any ambitions to be the England manager in the future, he has to do a good job with us.
- He got Newcastle into Europe after they finished 5th in 2011-12 and has reached 2 FA Cup finals.
- He's the only English manager to win both the Premier League Manager of the Season award and the League Managers Association Manager of the Year award in the same Premier League season.
- When he took over at Palace in Jan 2015, he guided them out of the relegation zone to finish 10th - their highest Premier League finish.
- He is undeniably attack-minded; this will be a very welcome change for us!
- In many ways he's an antithesis to Pulis, but he's achieved more than Pulis over the years and also has a higher win percentage.
- He wants to come to us - several others who also fit Lai's remit seemingly didn't want to know.
- It won't be dull!! :P
Carver was his assistant at Newcastle, where Pardew had the most success apart from his much shorter stint at Southampton, and I'm sure Pardew chose the person as his assistant who he thinks he can forge the best partnership with.
So, whilst Pardew's wasn't my choice, I would urge everyone to put aside their prejudices about him and judge him on what he does during his time with us, rather than writing him off at the outset.
I am sure we can accept the occasional "bloody nose" if it means improved football and POINTS.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42166234 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42166234)
why has Pardew got to phone pulis or megson?I don't think he has to phone them, I got the impression that he feels honour-bound to do so with them both having been put on their bikes. Fair play to him really.
There's quite a lot of negativity regarding Pardew's appointment, but I can't talk given the way I reacted to both Irvine and Pulis. I'm inclined to repost and edit/expand what I said last night in the now locked New Manager thread:
We need a new broom and I wouldn't be disappointed if all of the Pulis-era coaching staff leave. The players need different voices, fresh ideas and new tactics. Pardew isn't my choice, I'd rather we'd gone for someone young, hungry and talented, but the Board was obviously given a remit by Mr Lai and regarded Pardew as the best available option. No doubt there will be plenty of Albion fans who are underwhelmed by this appointment, but consider the following:Although The Fish doesn't seem to be impressed at the 5th place finish Pardew achieved at Newcastle, they don't look like repeating it any time soon, so it's not to be sniffed at. Yes the wheels came off afterwards, but that happens with lots of managers and I'm sure Pardew is very conscious of the bad runs he's had in his career. If the Board was doing its job, the panel would have asked him in his interview about the bad spells he's had and the reasons for them.
- The 11 months since he left Palace is the longest period he's been out of football for. Therefore, he's had plenty of time to ponder why things have ended up going so pear-shaped in his previous job. He might also have learned that he needs to calm down a bit in the heat of the moment!
- After a very poor end to his tenure at Palace, he knows that he could be finished at this level if things go badly with us.
- Similarly, if he does harbour any ambitions to be the England manager in the future, he has to do a good job with us.
- He got Newcastle into Europe after they finished 5th in 2011-12 and has reached 2 FA Cup finals.
- He's the only English manager to win both the Premier League Manager of the Season award and the League Managers Association Manager of the Year award in the same Premier League season.
- When he took over at Palace in Jan 2015, he guided them out of the relegation zone to finish 10th - their highest Premier League finish.
- He is undeniably attack-minded; this will be a very welcome change for us!
- In many ways he's an antithesis to Pulis, but he's achieved more than Pulis over the years and also has a higher win percentage.
- He wants to come to us - several others who also fit Lai's remit seemingly didn't want to know.
- It won't be dull!! :P
Carver was his assistant at Newcastle, where Pardew had the most success apart from his much shorter stint at Southampton, and I'm sure Pardew chose the person as his assistant who he thinks he can forge the best partnership with.
So, whilst Pardew wasn't my choice, I would urge everyone to put aside their prejudices about him and judge him on what he does during his time with us, rather than writing him off at the outset.
Watched the whole press conference last night and while I know he's a pretty slick operator with the press, I thought he came over very well and was impressed with what he had to say. Looked fresh and really up for it.
Liked it when he mentioned our late 70's team as well :D
Just hope he can get off to a flyer. Looking forward to the game Saturday, win would be huge boost.
COYB
I agree, he was realistic with what he said so I am cautiously optimistic and looking forward for a pleasant change
Mr Bung has an 18 month contract worth £9m with Everton :o. He is on more money than Zidane and the PSG guy. I think we got the better deal!
Just because Everton are desperate/crazy enough to pay hugely inflated wages for one manager, does not make our cheaper deal a good one.Would you rather be proved right or wrong?
I admire the people who, now that AP has been appointed, seem to have put all reservations about his serial failures to one side, and are ready to set sail on a sea of optimism. Fair play to the revisionists.
I fervently hope that my relegation fears are groundless, but one slick presser has not assuaged my doubts.
Let's see how long the Mr Smooth persona lasts....
Would you rather be proved right or wrong?
I thought "I fervently hope my relegation fears are groundless", would have been clear enough.The rest suggests there may be a "told you so" if things take a downturn.
Just because Everton are desperate/crazy enough to pay hugely inflated wages for one manager, does not make our cheaper deal a good one.
I admire the people who, now that AP has been appointed, seem to have put all reservations about his serial failures to one side, and are ready to set sail on a sea of optimism. Fair play to the revisionists.
I fervently hope that my relegation fears are groundless, but one slick presser has not assuaged my doubts.
Let's see how long the Mr Smooth persona lasts....
The rest suggests there may be a "told you so" if things take a downturn.
As there were only 3.7.% of votes for Chocolate in the manager poll, it is all the people who didn't vote for him who have amended their positions.
A lot of the detractors are mentioning his sackings (3) and poor runs of form but conveniently forget about the successes he's had like the FA Cup finals, European football and runs of good form...surely that's also "revisionism".
Just because Everton are desperate/crazy enough to pay hugely inflated wages for one manager, does not make our cheaper deal a good one.
I admire the people who, now that AP has been appointed, seem to have put all reservations about his serial failures to one side, and are ready to set sail on a sea of optimism. Fair play to the revisionists.
I fervently hope that my relegation fears are groundless, but one slick presser has not assuaged my doubts.
Let's see how long the Mr Smooth persona lasts....
OK sunshine, is this clear enough?Cheers Sonny Jim
I want to be proved 100% WRONG.
Nothing to do with Revionism. I've said all along that I hoped we would offer Pardew a contract to the end of the season or no more than 18 months as I am well aware of his failure rate after that time period.
I do believe that given our current situation Pardew was the best candidate available to move us forward.
I'd rather have Pardew with proven experience of achieving things in the short term and most likely keeping us up than a complete novice like Potter who may be doing okay in Sweden (if being 5th in the Swedish top flight is seen as doing okay) or Derek McInnes who has done nothing at Aberdeen to move them on from being a far off 2nd place team to Celtic, he hasn't even managed to get them into the Europa league proper (which at least Potter has done with Osterunds) or even worse keeping Gary Megson in charge.
I wanted Koeman but he obviously thinks we are beneath him.
Let's see where we are at the end of the season.
A lot of the detractors are mentioning his sackings (3) and poor runs of form but conveniently forget about the successes he's had like the FA Cup finals, European football and runs of good form...surely that's also "revisionism".
Just on a technical point is Pardew our head coach or our manager?
I wanted Koeman as well, but do we know if he was approached? I thought I read somewhere that Williams wanted a British manager.
Also interesting to know if we did approach other managers such as Sam.
Not that I want to stir things when we have just appointed a new manager, who seems alot better than many of the other names in the media. I hope he gets a proper chance to get the best out of this squad.
Just because Everton are desperate/crazy enough to pay hugely inflated wages for one manager, does not make our cheaper deal a good one.It's a strange thing that only last month you posted "it is the negativity that you display (and which seems to permeate the website) that precludes me from venturing to post on a regular basis". Fast forward to the appointment of Alan Pardew and you've had absolutely nothing to say about him so far apart from withering and sarcastic comments.
I admire the people who, now that AP has been appointed, seem to have put all reservations about his serial failures to one side, and are ready to set sail on a sea of optimism. Fair play to the revisionists.
I fervently hope that my relegation fears are groundless, but one slick presser has not assuaged my doubts.
Let's see how long the Mr Smooth persona lasts....
It's a strange thing that only last month you posted "it is the negativity that you display (and which seems to permeate the website) that precludes me from venturing to post on a regular basis". Fast forward to the appointment of Alan Pardew and you've had absolutely nothing to say about him so far apart from withering and sarcastic comments.
It's the same at the ground. For months I've heard people moaning about the lack of atmosphere and how there's no excitement. And then on Tuesday were moaning about the Pardew appointment and causing a real negativity around themselves
Anyone who moans about the atmosphere but does nothing to at least try and improve it needs to look to themselves.
See the "Bring the Noise" thread I started :P
Seriously though,
He wouldn't have been my preferred choice either as i'd have picked someone a bit more progressive like Graham Potter. Pardew does come across as a bit of a tit sometimes, but if he gets my team winning and playing some entertaining football then I don't care, he can dance like an idiot and headbutt as many players as he likes as long as we're marching up the league.
Just remember it could be worse, we could have been strung up like the mugs at Everton with Allardyce for a £6 million a year contract. Dodged that bullet!
Out of the available candidates that we were likely to go for, Pardew is certainly not the worst and frankly it's time to get over it, he's here, he's not going to choke the team like pulis did and we need to get behind OUR team!
Anyone who moans about the atmosphere but does nothing to at least try and improve it needs to look to themselves.
As for any negativity near me (towards the back of the Smeth') re the impending Pardew appointment, some expressed initial disappointment before getting busy and backing the team.
Where do you sit?
I only ask as I'd like to make a point of being nowhere near you, or more specifically near those around you for Cup games.
They sound like a bunch of right miseries.
Must have been really pd off with the impending appointment of Pardew for it to affect them for ninety + minutes.
In fact if it was that bad they must be absolute w@nkers given he hadn't even been confirmed at that point.
Then again some people are never happier than when having a moan and a whinge.
I'm not in favour of Pardew but will back him and the team regardless, hope he gives of his best and that his best brings rewards.
COYB 8) .
Anyone who moans about the atmosphere but does nothing to at least try and improve it needs to look to themselves.My season ticket is in the brummie, but I went in the east stand with a mate Tuesday night, the two blokes who sat behind us moaned from start to when they did one 15 minutes from the end! I had to keep my mouth shut as my mate sits there all the time but they really did take the biscuit! Can't wait to get back to my own seat Saturday.
As for any negativity near me (towards the back of the Smeth') re the impending Pardew appointment, some expressed initial disappointment before getting busy and backing the team.
Where do you sit?
I only ask as I'd like to make a point of being nowhere near you, or more specifically near those around you for Cup games.
They sound like a bunch of right miseries.
Must have been really pd off with the impending appointment of Pardew for it to affect them for ninety + minutes.
In fact if it was that bad they must be absolute w@nkers given he hadn't even been confirmed at that point.
Then again some people are never happier than when having a moan and a whinge.
I'm not in favour of Pardew but will back him and the team regardless, hope he gives of his best and that his best brings rewards.
COYB 8) .
think pardews always come across as a positive person which is a big plus at the moment, this will hopefully rub of onto the players, thought rondon looked sharper last two matches under megson. got my accommodation sorted for Saturdays visit just hope it warms up a bit.
Forecast for a positively balmy 6 degrees with a touch of rain before kick off.that'll do me Dan, its freezing up here in the hills of north wales, doesn't help when you've just come back from Spain where it was 20 degrees :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2634491
Post the Dean Ashton comments on Alan being known as “Chocolate†amongst previous dressing rooms, surely there will be some Hot Chocolate pre or post match on the playlist? Dad Dancing optional, 3 Points top of the list! As for the last day or two I think he’s played it perfectly. I have a positive feeling which hasn’t been there for quite a while.
We believe in Pardew, where you from?That would look fantastic.
Sexy thaing, sexy thaing you........
He'd love that, dads dance all round if we win :P .
Back of the Smeth too. It's the blokes that sit right behind me, every game they need to find something else to moan about! Pardew seemed the new target, I'm sure they were moaning about Pulis before too. Yes they are absolute w@nkers!
I'm actually excited about the Pardew appointment, looking forward to Saturday.
This is the type of game you can just see Pardew doing something in. Won our first at home against Spurs. His tactics are useless and brainless but that initial shock factor of blindly running as fast as you can and shooting on sight can be a killer
The "useless and brainless tactics" got Palace to their highest ever Prem finish! and in the following season an FA Cup final. Seems like their fans have short memories. I wonder if they are happy with where they are now?
He may have been like Pulis and looked like he couldn't find a way out of a very poor run of form but he might have turned it round and gone on an equally long winning streak, we'll never know.
Another post mentions 'blindly running and shooting on sight'....I am really looking forward to seeing that!!!!!!
I know, it's been ages since we've had anyone run about or have a shot. I can't wait, genuinely.Any shots will be a bonus!
Like many others I am anticipating a much more attack minded approach to games but I think we will need to wait until we have everyone fully fit before we can truly judge Pardew and his tactics/approach.It's very rare for any team to have everyone fit, so you may have a long wait. We will always have a few injured or suspended, but we have a good enough squad and plenty of promising youngsters, so I will judge him once he has had two or three games to get his system sorted out.
It's very rare for any team to have everyone fit, so you may have a long wait. We will always have a few injured or suspended, but we have a good enough squad and plenty of promising youngsters, so I will judge him once he has had two or three games to get his system sorted out.
It's very rare for any team to have everyone fit, so you may have a long wait. We will always have a few injured or suspended, but we have a good enough squad and plenty of promising youngsters, so I will judge him once he has had two or three games to get his system sorted out.
Although The Fish doesn't seem to be impressed at the 5th place finish Pardew achieved at Newcastle, they don't look like repeating it any time soon, so it's not to be sniffed at. Yes the wheels came off afterwards, but that happens with lots of managers and I'm sure Pardew is very conscious of the bad runs he's had in his career. If the Board was doing its job, the panel would have asked him in his interview about the bad spells he's had and the reasons for them.
Carver was his assistant at Newcastle, where Pardew had the most success apart from his much shorter stint at Southampton, and I'm sure Pardew chose the person as his assistant who he thinks he can forge the best partnership with.Carver is a very good bloke to have around the club. He's passionate and approachable, so hopefully for you he'll work with the experienced pros and the young lads and foster a real team spirit. Just don't let him take charge of competitive first team games.
So, whilst Pardew wasn't my choice, I would urge everyone to put aside their prejudices about him and judge him on what he does during his time with us, rather than writing him off at the outset.
Fascinating game ahead - who he'll pick, how we set up, how we perform etc
Let's all get behind him now.
I will judge him once he has had two or three games to get his system sorted out.There are some who thought Pulis shouldn't be judged yet despite having been here for 5 transfer windows, so it doesn't seem like you're willing to give Pardew any time at all really. I'll give him until the end of February before I start making much in the way of judgments on him, by which time he'll have had a fair chance (hopefully) to make some tweaks to the squad in January and bed the players (old and new) into his system.
True regarding the fitness of players but we currently have one promising youngster anywhere near the first team. The rest are out on loan until at least January and with the greatest will in the world only one of them (Tyler) has made a consistent fist of his time away, thus far at least. Leko started well but went off the boil when the gas ran low.Ok, maybe plenty was overstating it a bit, but we have Burke and Field who definitely fall into that category, and I'm hoping that there may be one or two more bubbling away out of the limelight. Also, some of those out on loan may benefit from the change of coach once they return.
I hope all those who wanted an up and coming lower league manager will get behind Pardew who will play positive attacking football. It is now fans negativity and not the managements that could hold us back.
Absolutely the right mindset. It might be that Pardew has learned to control himself, he may have had an epiphany and now knows how to arrest the slide, it might be that your club is the right fit for him.
Tell you what, whatever happens, it won't be dull.
Good luck
Lads go and listen to Pardew on the website. He said one thing that i have thought for years, even before Pulis, and no manager has ever mentioned it. Our throws in, personally, i think are the worse in the league, we constantly give the ball away straight away.
Pardew said ' Few things to work on, throws in, not quite sure what we are doing with those ' Spot on Pards
Said the set plays wasn't on the money. Set plays have been a nightmare most of the season. Phillips and Brunt were left out of the team and nobody else can take one like those 2, and considering a high % of our goals come from them, we have to atleast try and get them sorted out.
Thank you for that! Whenever we get throw ins in our own half I’ve always known it’s going to come straight back! Thought it was just me!
Thank you for that! Whenever we get throw ins in our own half I’ve always known it’s going to come straight back! Thought it was just me!
Lads go and listen to Pardew on the website. He said one thing that i have thought for years, even before Pulis, and no manager has ever mentioned it. Our throws in, personally, i think are the worse in the league, we constantly give the ball away straight away.
Pardew said ' Few things to work on, throws in, not quite sure what we are doing with those ' Spot on Pards
Said the set plays wasn't on the money. Set plays have been a nightmare most of the season. Phillips and Brunt were left out of the team and nobody else can take one like those 2, and considering a high % of our goals come from them, we have to atleast try and get them sorted out.
I mentioned this on a match thread a while ago, the amount of times I have seen us take a throw in and lose the ball within 3-5 seconds is madness.First job is to abandon the TP rule of only the full back can take the throw
Pards says the fans were terrific and thanks us for our support.
I thought his post-match analysis was pretty much spot on. Tactically he reads a game so much better than Pulis. I liked him saying, we musn't allow teams to pull us around like Palace did in latter part of first half. I too am a strong believer that you impose your game on the opposition, force them onto the back foot, control the midfield. I think Pardew will get the best out of Chadli, Morrison, Phillips and Bruntie. They are players that allow you to control a game. He's a got a bit of a selection problem when they're all fit, but it's a nice problem.how refreshing to hear the manager say he wants to play on the front foot instead of the players holding hands singing ring a ring o roses in our own half. 20 shots at goal is unheard of for us these days. its like being teetotal for 12 months and then going and getting inebriated. ;D
I'm sure half the throw-ins that Nyom takes are foul throwsThat's what I thought yesterday, one in particular his foot was well over the line, and if he was a bowler he could easily be called for chucking.
That's what I thought yesterday, one in particular his foot was well over the line, and if he was a bowler he could easily be called for chucking.
how refreshing to hear the manager say he wants to play on the front foot instead of the players holding hands singing ring a ring o roses in our own half. 20 shots at goal is unheard of for us these days. its like being teetotal for 12 months and then going and getting inebriated. ;D
bring it on.
He hasn't polarised too many on here.
That's a positive.
Give him time ;)
Was going to say. I've seen loads of Hashtag Pardew Out already on social media. I imagine if it's not a positive result on Saturday that will begin to translate on here also.
Was going to say. I've seen loads of Hashtag Pardew Out already on social media. I imagine if it's not a positive result on Saturday that will begin to translate on here also.
Thanks for keeping us up to speed - I don't recall you doing the same when Pulis was here, but perhaps my memory is failing me.....
I've seen loads of Hashtag Pardew Out already on social media.
mostly trolls and TP-lovers who are still not over his sacking.
Thanks for keeping us up to speed - I don't recall you doing the same when Pulis was here, but perhaps my memory is failing me.....
Anyone who wanted McInnes should give their head a wobble. Aberdeen fans are calling him tactically inept against the better teams and that's SPL level.
Pardew is the right man for me.
I thought we weren't speaking? ;DWe ain't ;)
More of a generalisation than an insult.
You really can't help yourself can you?
Not remotely. More the idiots who wanted McInnes etc.
You really can't help yourself can you?
I'd suggest that by the time the vote was taking place, more people wanted mcinnes than wanted Pulis to stay, what would you call them?
Sometimes the ones who haven't lit the place up elsewhere just work for all sorts of reasons, Keith Andrews ,Peter Odemwingie etc etc
Didn't jump on the others, don't recall any of them referring to people as idiots?
Peter Odemwingie was a success long before he came to us with massive fees (at the time) paid for him. If you think the 6 months with us are the best of Keith Andrew's career I'd suggest you're well wide of the mark also (as usual?). As to McInnes he's nowhere near good enough for us and wouldn't have been thought of if he hadn't played for us. I notice you try and jump on my post rather than the others all saying DM isn't good enough.
Anyone who wanted McInnes should give their head a wobble. Aberdeen fans are calling him tactically inept against the better teams and that's SPL level.
Pardew is the right man for me.
Didn't jump on the others, don't recall any of them referring to people as idiots?
Again you miss the point, because he hasn't been spectacular at Bristol or Aberdeen , does not mean he wouldn't work here, different players, different facilities , different motivation.
Considering your idol is Alan Irvine, that's pretty rich.
Hes not even had a week with the players yet, give him a chance folks
Hes not even had a week with the players yet, give him a chance folks
One thing that does worry me is he's got a track record of dismantling good defences to buy attacking players.
I am a proper happy clapper but I'm concerned he's going to undo the positives that came from the pulls years, the top ten defence. He needs to build on that as his base to go forward, you dont get relegated for having a good defence, but you always get relegated for having a poor one.
Still I'm looking forward to some more attacking intent and the re-emmergence of solomon rondon.
Not sure we have a top 10 defence, we look very poor to sat set pieces.
Agreed.
Pulis playing 10 men behind the ball every week may have made our defence look like it resembled a top 10 defence in games.
But in reality we only had a decent goals against statistic because of the park the bus tactics employed / power in numbers, rather than actual ability.
If your talking about a top back 4 I would say we have 3 out of 4.Out of interest who would you see him replacing? I assume Nyom?
When Dawson returns I think we will have a top 10 back 4.
Dawson can slot in at CB, when Evans leaves.What I was desperately trying to not say unfortunately
Out of interest who would you see him replacing? I assume Nyom?
Also isn't AP's preferred system so far a back 3 with modern wing backs? Where would Dawson fit into this as he unfortunately isn't really a modern wing back
Dawson can slot in at CB, when Evans leaves.This is probably what will happen.
I seem to remember Ralph Ranwick being interviewed this summer and suggest that it takes about 6 weeks for players to become fully acclimatised to a new system. Obviously this will depend as to how big of adjustment is being made on the evidence to date Pardew is a much more attacking coach who wants his teams to play on the front foot and as such it is a fairly major adjustment to what has gone before.This will be Pardew's biggest challenge. We've already seen it against Newcastle, and to some extent Palace, where the players revert back to sitting deep when put under pressure.
During the transition I suspect what we will see is that the team will occasionally revert to the deep sitting block that has been drilled into it for over 2 years. It is almost like a collective muscle memory it becomes instinctive in certain game situations and as such I think it will be hard for Pardew to ween the current squad off some of their in built habits.
This will be Pardew's biggest challenge. We've already seen it against Newcastle, and to some extent Palace, where the players revert back to sitting deep when put under pressure.
He needs to restore belief, not only amongst the players but also us fans, let's face it, how many of us "knew" we weren't going to beat Newcastle as soon as their first goal went in?
Saturday is massive, if we win then the confidence will start to return, if we lose we have the marauding Liverpool up next followed by Man U, both of whom are capable of dismantling top sides, let alone one as fragile as we have become.
For all Pulis' tough talk, he has left behind a very weak, mentally at least, group of players.
I seem to remember Ralph Ranwick being interviewed this summer and suggest that it takes about 6 weeks for players to become fully acclimatised to a new system. Obviously this will depend as to how big of adjustment is being made on the evidence to date Pardew is a much more attacking coach who wants his teams to play on the front foot and as such it is a fairly major adjustment to what has gone before.
During the transition I suspect what we will see is that the team will occasionally revert to the deep sitting block that has been drilled into it for over 2 years. It is almost like a collective muscle memory it becomes instinctive in certain game situations and as such I think it will be hard for Pardew to ween the current squad off some of their in built habits.
This is why I think we've acted at the right time getting rid of pulis,it gives the new man time to change the mindset of the players.it takes ages to get rid of the taste of kippers.
Six weeks is pretty extreme. I want to know what the coaches write on the notepads they show to substitutes just before they come on.
To a striker probably something along the lines of " Get a goal"
To a defender it would be " Stop them scoring"
Eventually the day will come when the sub has a note book and writes on it "What?"
I think so called clever people have tried to bamboozle us into thinking three's a mystery about this game which we all know is not the case.
Get the ball, pass it to a player in the same kit as you, move and you might get a return pass. If not keep moving anyway. Move the ball like this down the field and when you are near enough or have a chance take a shot at the goal.
Repeat often.
When they have the ball make sure all their players are well marked and someone challenges the person with the ball. If he wins it revert to first plan. If he doesn't get back in defence and someone else takes over the challenge.
you forgot
if opposition player comes near you DIVE theatrically & practice writhing like an extra in Saving private ryan
In your own penalty area, throw opposition to ground in a WWF stylee
Swear profusely at referee at every opportunity
Kiss badge on shirt whenever a camera points in your general direction.......
This will be Pardew's biggest challenge. We've already seen it against Newcastle, and to some extent Palace, where the players revert back to sitting deep when put under pressure.Put more new blood in, it should help the side.
He needs to restore belief, not only amongst the players but also us fans, let's face it, how many of us "knew" we weren't going to beat Newcastle as soon as their first goal went in?
Saturday is massive, if we win then the confidence will start to return, if we lose we have the marauding Liverpool up next followed by Man U, both of whom are capable of dismantling top sides, let alone one as fragile as we have become.
For all Pulis' tough talk, he has left behind a very weak, mentally at least, group of players.
Just took this from the press conference:
"We’ve had a really good week on the training ground. I’ve learnt that the players have a thirst for success and a determination to turn things around.
“We need to turn up on Saturday afternoon and we need to win the game. Football is about results. We need to win at least nine games. Hopefully after Saturday it will be eight.â€
“A win would lift the confidence of the players. We’ve lost the least in the bottom eight or nine but we’ve drawn too many games. Swansea are under just as much pressure as we are to get the win.â€
Only talks about winning, don't think we'll see 9 defenders. Breath of fresh air, just hope it translates onto the pitch.
No mention of how great Swansea are.
Top top players
Have you seen their bench
I don't imagine that they are inherently mentally weak,
More that nearly 3 years of being bawled at, brow beaten, seeing team mates ostracised, ritualistic training, individuality being frowned upon (polite there), has resulted in a group who have had all self confidence diluted in pursuit of the "team ethic".
Its all well and good having a team of clones who know their job and will do it by rote, BUT, you have to allow top athletes to be individuals as well, no-one gets to the top 0.01% of any career without and ego and self confidence a-plenty. In my mind it is a crime to eliminate this as has happened with a number of players at B71 in recent times.
The good news is our New coach has developed individuals like Bolasie (where is he now?) Cabaye (hasn't hit the same heights since), Zaha (doing well again), Jason puncheon (blossomed under Pardew), there is reason for hope that he will be able to turn around the confidence scenario
Does Pardew mean win 9 games or 9 more?In today's press conference he said "we need to win at least 9 games and hopefully after Saturday it’ll be 8", so he must mean 9 more wins. 9 wins on top of the 13 points we've already got would make 40 points, so I imagine that's where he's coming from.
Try mouth wash.When? after i have kippers or mention pulis. I use mouthwash every night Dan. its lovely 🍺🍻🍺🍻
That or substitute the kippers for bacon sandwiches with lashing of brown sauce.
Yum.
Hey seteefeet, I seem to remember Pulis saying that we were his biggest challenge yet.Pulis bigs up every job like it's the hardest in the world, keeps the expectations low and bolsters his Red Adair reputation. In truth he took over a side that wasn't even in the bottom 3.
Were not that bad surely.
Well Pardew has been talking the talk. But now can he walk the walk?
To some extent I don't care. Pardew said we may get a few bloody noses, but if it also means we are going to start creating far more goal chances, and taking the game to the opposition, I'll be more than happy. If we do that, I also think we have enough quality players in the squad to see that translated into much better performances and more victories.100% agree with this, let's get a bit of pride back, win lose or draw
To some extent I don't care. Pardew said we may get a few bloody noses, but if it also means we are going to start creating far more goal chances, and taking the game to the opposition, I'll be more than happy. If we do that, I also think we have enough quality players in the squad to see that translated into much better performances and more victories.
100% agree with this, let's get a bit of pride back, win lose or draw
Agreed, the P***s set the team up was essentially the worst way, given the squad we now have. Pardew's approach will probably result in more 3-2s in either direction, but i'd rather that than 1-0 in either direction.
Agreed, the P***s set the team up was essentially the worst way, given the squad we now have. Pardew's approach will probably result in more 3-2s in either direction, but i'd rather that than 1-0 in either direction.Too right, there's goals right through this squad Rondon, Rodriguez, Brunt, Chadli, Barry, Phillips, Hegazi, Evans, Dawson, HRK Mozza, all more than capable.Shocking how few we have scored.
Anyone picked up his pre game video presser today as it seems to be in absense up to yetThink it was yesterday, but haven't seen it.
Anyone picked up his pre game video presser today as it seems to be in absense up to yetIt was yesterday. I'm not sure if there's a full video of it available for free, but below is the transcript of it:
It was yesterday. I'm not sure if there's a full video of it available for free, but below is the transcript of it:Thanks for that WW
Link: BRirmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-pardew-transcript-gareth-barry-14007854)
It was yesterday. I'm not sure if there's a full video of it available for free, but below is the transcript of it:
Link: Birmingham Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/alan-pardew-transcript-gareth-barry-14007854)
Team selection and tactics all wrong today. Field out of position.
Lost to the worst team in this league. Not happy.
You really are a wind up merchant, we are where we are due to Pulis.
We haven't won a game since Pulis left!
We haven't won a game since Pulis left!
have to give pardew time as rome wasnt built in a day, board have to back him in january as there are issues with first team. need a right back, central midfielder who can pick out a pass and a quality striker.First time for anything I suppose!
Can I give those 20 shots the other night back for 3 more points? No? Thought not.
Noone needs a relegation. I heard other teams fans previously talking along the lines of good to go down, have a clear out and come back again. Personally I think that talk is a load of bo**ox. The championship is tough, no guarantees we'd bounce back. We need to add some quality in Jan and hopefully it will be enough. Ultimately we need a goalscorer but I suppose everyone does.
Certainly not going to slate him after 2 games but he needs to learn quickly that Kanu, Livermore, Rodriguez & McClean are all average championship players at best. Greg needs to be starting as does Burke. Hopefully we get Chadli back soon and we see him putting stronger lineups out.agreed that we need the lilies of Chadli, Philips and Greg back but don't know enough about Burke - hope he proves to be a missing link but has no Premier League experience to judge him by.
People talk about the championship like it's some easy ride . I would be very concerned about the long term future of the club as relegation would present the Chinese with a major problem considering the monies paid for it .
The only one smiling at the moment is JP with £150M in the bank.What has he done with the other £70m then? Bought the Wolves & the File? :D
We haven't won a game since August, look at the weather outside and that makes you realise how long ago that was...Pardew you need to pull a rabbit out of the hat in one of the next two....
Do you mean one of the next two games? As in Liverpool and Man Utd? Teams who are destroying better teams than us? We'll be lucky to keep the goals below three.pulis should have gone in summer after winless run, williams has a lot to answer for that.when winless run continued he should have got rid before second international break to give pardew who it seems was our only candidate for job time to bed in. if i was mr lai i would not be very impressed by chairman and his decisions of late.
AP needs time. He won't change a thing overnight. If we go down, it won't be his fault. It will be down to the inept owners not buying talent when they had chance and not sacking TP sooner. Trying to do things on the cheap when we play in the highest paid league in the world is a joke.
I like that AP said he played all the strikers he had available to him. I bet TP had to sit down when he saw the team sheet. It just shows we don't have the talent nor the depth in squad to compete.
Have seen a few points saying the board got it wrong, show some ambition, etc which i think is very harsh.
As far as i know, and i stand to be corrected, Pulis signed the players he wanted, now whether those players are good enough is not the question, the manager in the summer was backed, and backed better than anybody previous.
I know Hammond plays a part but Pulis himself said no player would sign without his say so (probably Zheng the exception) we signed a lot of players in the summer, most of which on paper looked as though they would help us, as it stands that hasnt been the case.
That isnt the boards fault, us been upto our FFP limit isnt their fault, its a no win as we did have something to play with people would say they didnt back the manager enough.
Pulis brought players he thought would work for him, thats the reason for the squad in balance, he signed 3 defensive minded midfield players in 8 months in Livermore, Barry and Greg, when we already had Yacob, i am sure he had his reasons but the only attacking midfielders we had, one he clearly fell out with (Chadli) and the other is injured a lot (Morrison)
Its now Pardews job to sort out the inbalance, he will want his own player, i think the obvious one to sacrifice midfield wise in January would be Greg (unless he plays and impresses more than he has so far) it would free up £100k a week, we dont have to tout him around to sell just cancel his loan (if feasible) and pay the penalty fee (not many would buy Barry, Livermore or Yacob we are stuck with them) we could cancel Gregs loan, frees up his wages.
I am sure i read we have money to spend on transfers but its the wages thing thats the problem so players have to go first, i would try and ship out Robson-Kanu and possibly McClean too if the £8m fee being spoke about is correct.
Pards has to wheel and deal, we have a major problem in that we concede goals and we dont score goals, and dont even create chances, that usually leads to one thing.
Only slight criticism in his line up yesterday was not starting with Brunty, as Chris offers so much more than just his crosses. He has a good football brain and can work the ball in tight spaces.We don't know how fit Brunt is, he hasn't played for weeks.
But on the law of averages a team which has 20 shots will get more goals than a team that musters 2 shots. Agree that we have a major issue with finishing.
That's not true.
If there's a team that gets 30yds out and has a shot every time,and a team who only shoots when they've carved out a golden opportunity which they do twice a game.
Of those two, who's more likely to score?
That's not true.Why is it that the 20 shots would all be from distance whilst the 2 would be gilt-edged chances? In a normal game, where there are 20 shots they'll be of varying types from various distances, whereas a team that has just 2 shots won't score more often than not.
If there's a team that gets 30yds out and has a shot every time,and a team who only shoots when they've carved out a golden opportunity which they do twice a game.
Of those two, who's more likely to score?
Why is it that the 20 shots would all be from distance whilst the 2 would be gilt-edged chances? In a normal game, where there are 20 shots they'll be of varying types from various distances, whereas a team that has just 2 shots won't score more often than not.Yacob has been with us for 5 and half years now so it must be best to judge him on that time. So that's 2.5 years before Pulis took over. Yacob is good at what he does but very limited in other ways and I think we'd have seen more glimmers of constructive ability somewhere along the line if that was a strength of his.
Just to bring things back on topic, AP's immediate task is to make us more creative/threatening when attacking, and he can't necessarily rely on the availability of our most creative players in order to do so. For example, remember what Yacob can go given the licence to do so:
Links:
Yacob the playmaker 1 (https://youtu.be/PRFdcFZPMUM?t=38s)
Yacob the playmaker 2 (https://youtu.be/PRFdcFZPMUM?t=2m53s)
Yacob the playmaker 3 (most notably) (https://youtu.be/PRFdcFZPMUM?t=3m50s)
Yacob the playmaker 4 (https://youtu.be/PRFdcFZPMUM?t=5m47s)
Currently, his first thought for us is to play it sideways or backwards, which has been drummed into him for 3 years, but he can do so much more if we took the shackles off him. We might even see the occasional wonderstrike like these:
Pick that out!! (https://youtu.be/PRFdcFZPMUM?t=9m36s)
If AP can just work out a system that suits our players which doesn't leave us too open at the back, then hope still springs eternal!
Yacob has been with us for 5 and half years now so it must be best to judge him on that time. So that's 2.5 years before Pulis took over. Yacob is good at what he does but very limited in other ways and I think we'd have seen more glimmers of constructive ability somewhere along the line if that was a strength of his.Not sure
How AP handles Johnny Evans situation is also vital. It seems very much that the speculation in the summer did turn his head and his form has dropped right off. AP might decide to cash in and get his own guy in with Dawson fit hopefully and use any surplus cash on a striker or AM.
Never a dull moment!
Assuming that as per usual there is only £ available if we sell first;
If I was AP i'd definitely sell Evans if it was on the table and use the money to fund a number 10, and also a cheap young CB.
Keeping the squad as it is means we really have to rely on the fitness and performance of Chadli or Morrison to try and stay up.
Why is it that the 20 shots would all be from distance whilst the 2 would be gilt-edged chances? In a normal game, where there are 20 shots they'll be of varying types from various distances, whereas a team that has just 2 shots won't score more often than not.
He has money to spend (apparently) it’s the wages we are on the limit with the new regulations so getting Greg off the books somehow would be ideal but doubt PSG would have him back. Rumour is he’s bored and frustrated so he would be keen to go just need a club with cash on the hip!
Can you play for 3 clubs in a season?
I'd play Phillips in the Odemwingie role
He's quick enough, clever enough and direct enough..
Whilst unwilling to shout him down after two games I can't help but feel he's tried to change too much. We were unlucky against Palace, and woeful against Swansea.
Playing 4-3-3 with Robson-Kanu and Rodriguez in the team is plain saft, injuries permitting. Can't help but feel against Swansea a more 'conventional' set up may have worked better for us.
It will be interesting to see how he sets up against Liverpool, Everton showed that they can be frustrated - if we play 4-3-3 we will be crucified. Now Brunt and Phillips are fit again, I don't think he has an excuse to be playing Rodriguez or HRK in a front three.
Similar to Pulis, Pardew needs time and his own players before we properly judge him.
We badly, badly need a box to box midfielder and a proper, goal scoring no.9 in January (as we have done for about 4 years) or else I think we could be struggling to stay up.
The good thing is that Pardew's career needs a success so I hope he has the hunger for a relegation scrap because the players so far don't seem to have the character for one on what I've seen the past few weeks - they look very flat (mentally)!
A big result is needed somewhere - soon!
Fair play to Pardew, he said when he came in we should start to see a difference in our play after the Swansea game...........he was right. Great performance at the car radio thieves. Hope he can get us going in the right direction up the league. Will be difficult at the mancs but hey ho, onwards and upwards. you never know, now Citeh have won the league, maybe yanited wont be as up for it against us......you never know with the Albion ;)
If we go down then Pardew has to go as he has failed.If we get to 38 points and go down, Pards will have taken 26 points from 24 games which, over a season, equates to 41 points and would hit the safety target. In which case the failure will be completely down to Pulis.
If we get to 38 points and go down, Pards will have taken 26 points from 24 games which, over a season, equates to 41 points and would hit the safety target. In which case the failure will be completely down to Pulis.And there I was thinking that players can be classed as culpable too. Silly me.
remember we are discussing west brom,Probably the complete opposite of what you expect. Most if not all would expect Yanited to wallop us, so what do we do ?? Answers on a postcard ;)
we were down, now were up, what comes next.........????
Bottom but one but every faith in Alan to keep us up. The blokes such a positive in relation to what we had before
Bottom but one but every faith in Alan to keep us up. The blokes such a positive in relation to what we had beforeI have faith in him to get us back up next year, I think it's our turn for the drop. The real measure of whether we are a proper established prem club is coming straight back up like Newcastle and West Ham do, not falling off the radar like Bolton and Wigan.
I Truly believe we easily have top 12 finish footballers played correctly which Alan is now trying to install and there's no chance of us going down, with a couple of additions and players to come back from injury we will be fine. There are easily 6 teams with inferior players , now they are being coached properly we should all feel more positive
?? has now collected just 28 points from a possible 120 in his past 40 Premier League games (P40 W6 D10 L24).It's hilarious how you're criticising Pardew after a handful of games in a way you never criticised Pulis through 3 mind-numbingly tedious years.
No not Pulis' record. Pards take a bow. FFS.
It's hilarious how you're criticising Pardew after a handful of games in a way you never criticised Pulis through 3 mind-numbingly tedious years.
AP is trying to make a difference to us going forward, that should be obvious to anyone, and it's not his fault that our most creative midfield players are either injured or just coming back from injury.
Everything AP says, both before and after games, has made eminent sense so far, so I have every faith that he'll get things going in the right direction sooner rather than later.
?? has now collected just 28 points from a possible 120 in his past 40 Premier League games (P40 W6 D10 L24).
No not Pulis' record. Pards take a bow. FFS.
You're comfortable with those stats? I don't mind Pardew. The criticism is reserved for Hammond and Williams."Dreadful from Pardew" you wrote in the post-match thread, which you never wrote about Pulis no matter how awful we were (which was pretty often). It's also ironic to me that the players you criticise the most were all signed when Pulis was here.
"Dreadful from Pardew" you wrote in the post-match thread, which you never wrote about Pulis no matter how awful we were (which was pretty often). It's also ironic to me that the players you criticise the most were all signed when Pulis was here.
I don't care about AP's last 40 games, just what he does with us. Everything he's said has been on the ball for me since he's been here and, based on this, I have every faith in him turning things around, particularly if/when he gets a chance to bring some of his own players in. I'm also encouraged that he's trying to get us on the front foot more and keep possession better. Once Phillips and Chadli return, I believe the combination of having our more creative players in the side with AP's more attacking tactics will bring both excitement and dividends.
You're desperate for it to work out to justify moaning for the past 3 seasons. I'm desperate for it to work out so we stay up.I'm desperate for it to work out for the same reason as any other fan. I'll leave the obsession with Pulis to the likes of yourself and Legend.
What happens if he doesn't put Brunt back in or pick Chadli and Morrison when fit? I think it's fair to ask questions when he says he's an attacking coach and our only goal in 4 games was a Pulis special.
Dreadful re. Team selection. Lo and behold he comes out in his post match and says he got his team selection wrong.
You're desperate for it to work out to justify moaning for the past 3 seasons. I'm desperate for it to work out so we stay up.
What happens if he doesn't put Brunt back in or pick Chadli and Morrison when fit? I think it's fair to ask questions when he says he's an attacking coach and our only goal in 4 games was a Pulis special.
There wasn't a great deal to criticise Pulis for because I knew what to expect. What he was going to do. I was also confident of 40 points under him.
Dreadful re. Team selection. Lo and behold he comes out in his post match and says he got his team selection wrong.
The part of that of concern to me is if he believes that he redressed the poor selection through the subs he made and therefore McClean and Livermore start again in the next match with Burke and Krycho making way.No he's saying Krycho was leggy/knackered...whatever it was he was average today...he's not saying he won't have recovered by Saturday.
The part of that of concern to me is if he believes that he redressed the poor selection through the subs he made and therefore McClean and Livermore start again in the next match with Burke and Krycho making way.
In the interest of Transparency. Pulis last 40 games.(P40 W12 D9 L19) 45 points.
I'm not convinced that things have improved that much. I will concede that we have had what on paper is a couple of difficult games fro, which we have amassed 1 point. We also had 2 winnable games from which we also got 1 point.
I accept things need time but in the premier league we don't have that much. By this time tomorrow we could be bottom of the league (I don't think we will be). Getting out of that situation requires some considerable effort, guts and a fair bit of ability.
It looks like the other teams who were in perilous situations have done something about it. Palace have turned it round - well done Roy, West Ham are getting results in equally difficult games- we can't afford to come adrift.
Talk of the transfer window and how important it is. What decent striker would fancy a relegation battle? Go back to Kevin Phillips - he didn't.
In real terms our players aren't actually good enough. Can't blame AP for that and also won't expect so much of him. We certainly need some sort of miracle but worryingly I struggle to see it happening.
Its a bit early for this. The majority of our players are good enough but AP needs time to work out his best team. Yesterday I thought his line up was 'adventurous'. Had it of worked then we would all be calling him a genius. However, it fell a bit short and he admitted he got it wrong. No one thought we would get anything out of our last two games, but we did. Furthermore I am starting to see a bit more belief in the team now that they are being encouraged to get forward and play. There is no doubt we need a striker and an AM
Personally I think the recovery job starts on Saturday and I have a sneaky feeling that we are going to have a good new year.
At this stage of the season, we would need a striker who's in form, anything else would be a risk.
Allegedly Daniel Sturridge is on £100k per week, that would be a lot of money for a player that's hardly kicked a ball all season.
Reports from John Percy, last week were suggesting that AP was sounding out Danny Ings.
Who hasn't kicked a ball for 3 seasons and had a double cruciate.
I actually really like everything he has said so far. The commentator on motd summed it up for me. It's like a jigsaw and AP has to take a few games to sort the pieces before starting to make something out of it all. I think he will turn it round once our squad is back to full strength.
The players we are waiting for (Chadli, Morisson, Phillips) are more midfielders (+ Dawson defender) than strikers. I think strikers are the biggest problem. None of our main 3 are particularly clincial in front of goal. Either they need some serious coaching, particularly in shooting and finishing, or we need reinforcements.I am sure Pardiola knows what needs to be done?
Our midfield is by far the biggest problem currently. We only play 1 up front. Get Phillips Brunt and Chadli close to Rondon and he will get you 10 to 15 goals a season.
None of our main 3 are particularly clincial in front of goal. Either they need some serious coaching, particularly in shooting and finishing, or we need reinforcements.Do you recall all those games under Pulis where we barely registered a shot? Create proper chances for the strikers and they will start scoring. I posted Rondon's and Rodriguez's scoring records the other day and they know where the goal is, but being under pressure to score knowing you'll only get 1 shot per game (if that) will inevitably drain their confidence.
Pardew has now collected just 28 points from a possible 120 in his past 40 Premier League games (P40 W6 D10 L24).
Attacking football is all well and good. But that is a frightening stat. We do however have a much better defence than what he had at Palace. We need a win. We need to beat Stoke.
The past is irrelevant apparently.👳🔫
Put this stat up yesterday... Not remotely concerning apparently.
Put this stat up yesterday... Not remotely concerning apparently.
I think we should be fine, change takes time but you can see bits of it and vs Man U we could have finished 2-2.
I'd suggest squad vs squad most of the bottom half would swap for ours, also agree we need a striker, but not ings or Sturridge, too risky, we need pretty safe, slimani is a very good shout, maybe Dwight Gayle ?, until the window is give Phillips or Burke a run off rondon.
Put this stat up yesterday... Not remotely concerning apparently.
As I also stated the other day Pulis took 45 points from his last 40 games... so not sure why you think I'm discounting his run.Also stated the other day this.
Does it? Everton and West Ham fans would probably disagree with you on that one. ;)I guess it depends on the balance of their squads and what their injury situation has been like. I've no idea in either regard, but it's only fair to compare like with like. We were better than Palace and deserved to win that game.
I agree that I think we will be safe and Pardew will turn it around but we need to start getting 3 points a.s.a..p.Agreed, but let's also give him chance to get everyone back and fit, and also have the opportunity to sign a couple of players of his choosing.
Time to goUtter rubbish he as inherited a poor, poor squad with zero confidence caused by the previous regime, he will turn it around.
Utter rubbish he as inherited a poor, poor squad with zero confidence caused by the previous regime, he will turn it around.
Absolutely no positive effect on the team whatsoever. I thought our squad was good enough to get us out of this mess, but I think we are down and out unless we buy a miracle or two in January. Not impressed so far Mr Pardew. Your tenure here may be a short one....looks clueless and im starting to lose patients with him.
Literally all he needs to do is bomb out McClean Livermore and Kanu and work with the rest of the squad. What he's trying to do won't work with 3 players of such limited ability in such advanced positions.
Literally all he needs to do is bomb out McClean Livermore and Kanu and work with the rest of the squad. What he's trying to do won't work with 3 players of such limited ability in such advanced positions.
Really wanted him to do well but he has had zero effect. I thought his team selection today was a joke. McLean and IRK should be nowhere near a premier league squad let alone starting. Also how Livermore is still starting is beyond me. It's a disgrace that Sam field didn't even make the squad. I thought Pardew would instantly get rid of the Pulis plotters but if anything he is playing more of them. All optimism has dried up for me.
Agreed, however none of them were any good in a defensive set up under Pulis who signed them all.
McClean and Kanu were bit part players under Pulis. Let's stop with the revisionism.
They played their part albeit bit part, however it doesn’t detract from the fact Pulis signed them.But Pardew is still picking them.....
I don't think that's true. We had 57% possession today and 17 shots, which was unheard of under previous regime. He certainly has a problem with shooting accuracy of his forwards (only 7 out of 17 on target, and some of those hardly bothered their keeper).
But Pardew is still picking them.....
They played their part albeit bit part, however it doesn’t detract from the fact Pulis signed them.
Certainly shouldn't be calling for his head already!
The players need to take some of this blame too, especially considering the sheer amount of people on here that were saying we'd see an immediate improvement under a different manager.
I don't buy into this, 'they're still suffering from the effects of Pulis' stuff either. Has it crossed anyone's mind that maybe the players actually aren't that good and this is why Pulis set us up more conservatively when he was in charge?
McClean and Kanu were bit part players under Pulis. Let's stop with the revisionism.
There should be a ban on calling for Pardew after this amount of games. Seriously, it's ridiculous. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions, but this is outrageous.Looks like some have already forgot games where we had no shots on goal.We have seen a more attack minded approach and less aimless hoofing up the pitch with better passing.it will take time and better players but even though the results ain't what we want i know what style I'm enjoying most.
No manager could turn things around in quick time with the squad we have. For a while, our team has been threadbare and TP has ruined what talent the squad had. People are trying to say it's not TP as he has gone. But think about when you have a serious illness, the main illness may go but the effects last a long time. TP should have gone long before he did.
For me, Pardew has been unlucky. He hasn't had much to work with. We've already had more possession and more attacking chances in the few games he's been in charge.
There should be a ban on calling for Pardew after this amount of games. Seriously, it's ridiculous. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions, but this is outrageous.What a ridiculous comment. Based on nothing whatsoever.
No manager could turn things around in quick time with the squad we have. For a while, our team has been threadbare and TP has ruined what talent the squad had. People are trying to say it's not TP as he has gone. But think about when you have a serious illness, the main illness may go but the effects last a long time. TP should have gone long before he did.
For me, Pardew has been unlucky. He hasn't had much to work with. We've already had more possession and more attacking chances in the few games he's been in charge.
What a ridiculous comment. Based on nothing whatsoever.
Care to expand then, or are you just going to leave an inflammatory comment?Ok, I believe that the statement that there is no manager (presumably in the whole world) that could have turned this squad round in a short time is flawed, and I am not sure how you could possibly have come to this conclusion. Better?
Most this team was bought by him, if the only way they can play is by playing with 11 men behind the ball, hoping to nick a goal off a set piece, then that's just another Pulis failing.
Ok, I believe that the statement that there is no manager (presumably in the whole world) that could have turned this squad round in a short time is flawed, and I am not sure how you could possibly have come to this conclusion. Better?
Slightly better. So who, in your opinion, would have instantly turned things around for us?
My comment was based on who we could realistically recruit.
Slightly better. So who, in your opinion, would have instantly turned things around for us?
My comment was based on who we could realistically recruit.
Allardyce, Hodgson to name 2.
You know who else is to blame for the position we find ourselves in? Those fans who moan year in year out about the way that the club is run and its managerial appointments, but then rush out to buy their earlybird season tickets every year, effectively rubber-stamping the poor way we have been run of late and the lack of spending in order to make us really competitive in the league we have found ourselves in.
People need to learn to vote with their feet and wallets, stop giving the administration monetary validation for what they have, or indeed have not, been doing. We just had a chance to either choose a foreign coach with new ideas or a UK based up and coming coach with a fresh approach, but they've picked another clogger who's been around the block on too many occasions. Boring and not good enough. Why keep throwing your money at this farce?
Allardyce, Hodgson to name 2.
Unfortunately due to the riches of the premier league supporters are pretty much irrelevant
You know who else is to blame for the position we find ourselves in? Those fans who moan year in year out about the way that the club is run and its managerial appointments, but then rush out to buy their earlybird season tickets every year, effectively rubber-stamping the poor way we have been run of late and the lack of spending in order to make us really competitive in the league we have found ourselves in.
People need to learn to vote with their feet and wallets, stop giving the administration monetary validation for what they have, or indeed have not, been doing. We just had a chance to either choose a foreign coach with new ideas or a UK based up and coming coach with a fresh approach, but they've picked another clogger who's been around the block on too many occasions. Boring and not good enough. Why keep throwing your money at this farce?
The fans aren't to blame at all. The club's revenue from fans buying tickets is so minuscule that they'd be happy playing to 10k each week as the balance sheet wouldn't be affected.
Since I've got the last reports open anyway, our turnover last year was £98.3m, of that gate receipts were £7.6m, making them accountable for only 7% of our turnover. We averaged 24,600 attendance that year, down 1,500 from the year before and turned over £2m more than when more fans turned up. In 2013 for another example we had 1,400 more season ticket holders, which is quite a large number, but turned over nearly £30m less.
The club only cares about TV money unfortunately. This contributed to around 80% of our turnover in our last accounts.
Our new owner rarely attends games, I'm sure he's given a full breakdown of the finances and will be far more concerned with those than some empty seats.
Yes, I am aware of this general point. See my above point about how an empty stadium would look every week to viewers. Anyhow, our owner will have an enlightenment of sorts when he finds his investment in the division below.
But the club doesn't care about that, see my post above. So it would make no difference.An empty stadium shown to audiences in China....I doubt it would encourage neutrals to want to watch us and buy from our Albion site.
An empty stadium shown to audiences in China....I doubt it would encourage neutrals to want to watch us and buy from our Albion site.
This is not very good for Lai's business.
Allardyce, Hodgson to name 2.
Just an observation .....The stats from today look much more like what we wanted to see - especially away from home.
Possession 43% Stoke to %57 Albion
Shots 9 - 17
On Target 5 - 7
Corners 1 -11
Just an observation .....The stats from today look much more like what we wanted to see - especially away from home.
Possession 43% Stoke to %57 Albion
Shots 9 - 17
On Target 5 - 7
Corners 1 -11
Just an observation .....The stats from today look much more like what we wanted to see - especially away from home.That would have resulted in 5-6 goals last season.
Possession 43% Stoke to %57 Albion
Shots 9 - 17
On Target 5 - 7
Corners 1 -11
Just an observation .....The stats from today look much more like what we wanted to see - especially away from home.
Possession 43% Stoke to %57 Albion
Shots 9 - 17
On Target 5 - 7
Corners 1 -11
Just an observation .....The stats from today look much more like what we wanted to see - especially away from home.
Possession 43% Stoke to %57 Albion
Shots 9 - 17
On Target 5 - 7
Corners 1 -11
Just an observation .....The stats from today look much more like what we wanted to see - especially away from home.
Possession 43% Stoke to %57 Albion
Shots 9 - 17
On Target 5 - 7
Corners 1 -11
All that mattered today was the result.
Top line was the result, but the stats are encouraging.
David Unsworth couldn't buy a win until the WHU game, but that changed everything for Everton & now SA is being given the credit.
I don't think we're dead yet!
Completely agree, odds will be on us to go down but with the amount of poor teams around us... it only takes a couple of wins and draws and it's a different story.... plus we still have to play teams that are around us.
Not feeling too confident about staying up, but I definately ain't ruling it out just yet.
That's the problem with being in the bottom 3 though, it's getting those wins which are so illusive - even for a standard mid-table team a few wins on the bounce isn't too difficult, but when you're at the bottom I think it's a mental issue as much as anything and we haven't won since September.
The bloke for me is restoring my faith in football in general even if we do go down.i would rather my team try to win a game than the useless idiot we had before . Some of you obviously prefer watching paint dry slowI like Pardew. He comes across very well, and intelligent. We may go down but I think he offers hope long term
Again as I said above, gate receipts and merchandise make up so little of our turnover that Lai's business won't care. What Lai's business will care about however is staying in the Premier League so that we retain the massive TV money. However that's probably for the Lai thread.Best players? Greg is rubbish correct decision not to play him , HRK ahead of chadli? He came on and went off! IMO he doesn't care,Burke clearly not ready, your argument holds no water.
Back on Pardew, he's in a bit of a bad spot at the moment. He's inherited another coach's squad, which in my opinion shouldn't have happened under our director of football set-up. That doesn't excuse not picking our best players though. Need to stop with Livermore starting over the likes of Yacob and Greg, the persistence of playing HRK ahead of players like Chadli and Burke, and still playing players out of position.
The bloke for me is restoring my faith in football in general even if we do go down.i would rather my team try to win a game than the useless idiot we had before . Some of you obviously prefer watching paint dry slowThe football is just as bad as it was under Pulis the only difference is it's a different useless tw*t stood on the sidelines. This one has white hair instead of a cap and couldn't organise a team if his live depended on it.
The football is just as bad as it was under Pulis the only difference is it's a different useless tw*t stood on the sidelines.We're having more possession and more shots than we were, so it demonstrably isn't as bad as it was. The players are devoid of confidence, which leads to them (even if it's subconsciously) not making runs and taking safer passing options. AP has acknowledged that and has said he's trying to get them to be more creative going forward and take more risks. In the second half yesterday, I felt we could see the green shoots of that.
On paper the squad is okay and I think that was why he took the job and bounced in with a such a positive attitude however it wasn't built as a team not even one that Pulis had in mind let alone Pardew.
I wasnt there yesterday but by all accounts we were the better team ??His line up , system and subs were wrong.
Pardew has turned that around for sure BUT you cant blame the manager for forwards who couldnt find thier ar$e with both hands, especially ones that Pardew didnt sign. We had enough chances to bury Stoke yesterday but didnt put them away.........THATS NOT PARDEWS FAULT !! He can only turn around the level of perormance and he's done that. Our problem is not scoring goaLs, and thats something he cant change ( until January ) if the owners dont back him !!
I wasnt there yesterday but by all accounts we were the better team ??Sounded that way on Sky Sports, but to be honest they weren't paying that much attention to the game compared to the others.
Pardew has turned that around for sure BUT you cant blame the manager for forwards who couldnt find thier ar$e with both hands, especially ones that Pardew didnt sign. We had enough chances to bury Stoke yesterday but didnt put them away.........THATS NOT PARDEWS FAULT !! He can only turn around the level of perormance and he's done that. Our problem is not scoring goaLs, and thats something he cant change ( until January ) if the owners dont back him !!
Best players? Greg is rubbish correct decision not to play him , HRK ahead of chadli? He came on and went off! IMO he doesn't care,Burke clearly not ready, your argument holds no water.
His line up , system and subs were wrong.
At one point Livermore was wide right , says it all.
Early , early days but some of Stoke goes on Pardew for me.
Other side of the coin I'm enjoying the passing and ball retention Pardew has got going and without doubt losing his best attackers in Phillips and Chadli is killing him.
I don't know whether I'm being naive here, but if I was an incoming coach I would absolutely binge on watching reruns of the previous games to get myself into a position, coupled with day-to-day training, to really understand the individuals and the team.
Pardew may have done this but on the evidence of his team selections and substitutions I don't think that he has. Sure, it's better than Pulis because we are actually trying to attack but he does seem clueless as to which players can do what and where.
I know the all important statistic is the score, but when was the last match we got 17 shots in? Probably before Pulis joined the club. That and having 57% possession must mean we are changing the emphasis onto attacking football. Creating more chances should by the law of averages mean we score more goals. The only problem is we are not converting the chances into goals. I thought we really had Stoke pinned back after half time, and that it was only a matter of time before we turned it around. I think Chadli was starting to open them up, and if he'd have stayed on, I'm convinced we'd have gone on to win.
Agree, you wouldn't enjoy watching though 😂
Agree, you wouldn't enjoy watching though 😂
Does beg the question why we didn't start Chadli if he made such an impact in the short time that he was on the pitch?Because of his level of match fitness perhaps? Based on what happened with Chadli, AP's thoughts have now turned to Phillips: "He is back training but I am a little bit nervous after Chadli as you would imagine. I thought he would play Boxing Day, all my staff think he is okay. I don’t want to go back on that decision but after Chadli we will have to look at it. There’s nothing mental to it."
Hopefully Pardew will learn some lessons todayout the door hopefully,rather get a few kids in
McClean, HRK & Livermore on the bench.
I don't suspect they will be however.
Because of his level of match fitness perhaps? Based on what happened with Chadli, AP's thoughts have now turned to Phillips: "He is back training but I am a little bit nervous after Chadli as you would imagine. I thought he would play Boxing Day, all my staff think he is okay. I don’t want to go back on that decision but after Chadli we will have to look at it. There’s nothing mental to it."
Link: E & S (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2017/12/25/grzegorz-krychowiak-not-out-of-favour-insists-alan-pardew/)
Even Swansea have had an impact now from a new manager.Do you only come on here when we are bottom?
I know you have got to give him time but he was a poor choice from a p*ss poor chairman and board he just hasn't had the new manager impact that we needed.
Even Swansea have had an impact now from a new manager.
I know you have got to give him time but he was a poor choice from a p*ss poor chairman and board he just hasn't had the new manager impact that we needed.
Even Swansea have had an impact now from a new manager.Even Swansea make our attacking resources look sparse. If everyone was fit it might have been different but take away 50% of the attacking players and it's not good
I know you have got to give him time but he was a poor choice from a p*ss poor chairman and board he just hasn't had the new manager impact that we needed.
To be fair Carvalhal wins within 48 hours. Pardew still waiting... 33 days tomorrow.
Carvahal doesn’t have Rondon throwing away chances and points every Saturday.Specifics are not the point though. As Jacko says, every other bottom half team who have appointed a new manager have got an improvement in results very quickly. We are still waiting. You can find excuses, but all the other teams around us didn't need excuses.
Specifics are not the point though. As Jacko says, every other bottom half team who have appointed a new manager have got an improvement in results very quickly. We are still waiting. You can find excuses, but all the other teams around us didn't need excuses.
Specifics are not the point though. As Jacko says, every other bottom half team who have appointed a new manager have got an improvement in results very quickly. We are still waiting. You can find excuses, but all the other teams around us didn't need excuses.Why would a winning manager look for excuses? Anyway, there are excuses, and there are reasons. Our problems have been discussed, and are there for all to see. What I will point out though, is we’ve all seen these so called bounces in the past, and most are short lived. After all, it’s only a bounce. Gravity eventually sorts this phenomenon out. Maybe our upturn will arrive at a more appropriate time. I still believe in us anyway.
It’s not excuses, it’s a fact that Pardew has inherited the worst set of strikers in the league. Performances have massively improved, the only reason we haven’t got results under AP is the abysmal squad he’s been left to work with. He doesn’t have the luxury of having Zaha or Rooney like Hodgson and Allardyce have inherited.Performances may have improved (ie in terms of attacking intent) but results have not. The squad is not "abysmal", it is full of international players, and on paper should be better than quite a few in this league. There may be another reason for the lack of "bounce", which people seem to be unwilling to consider as it is apparently unfair so soon, and that is that we have appointed a very poor manager who has a history of one failure after another. I genuinely don't see some people's optimism that Alan Pardew is our saviour - a poor, lazy, uninspiring and unambitious appointment in my view.
Performances may have improved (ie in terms of attacking intent) but results have not. The squad is not "abysmal", it is full of international players, and on paper should be better than quite a few in this league. There may be another reason for the lack of "bounce", which people seem to be unwilling to consider as it is apparently unfair so soon, and that is that we have appointed a very poor manager who has a history of one failure after another. I genuinely don't see some people's optimism that Alan Pardew is our saviour - a poor, lazy, uninspiring and unambitious appointment in my view.nothing to do with the overpaid rubbish that puts the shirt on then players like kanu mclean livermore all huff no talent at all...rondon on probably 50k a week cant put his foot on the ball from 4yards out when its his job to many stealing a living and easy to blame pardew when 1 it isnt his team and 2 about time the players pulled there fi gers out of there backsides..they may realise when there wages get halved
It’s not excuses, it’s a fact that Pardew has inherited the worst set of strikers in the league. Performances have massively improved, the only reason we haven’t got results under AP is the abysmal squad he’s been left to work with. He doesn’t have the luxury of having Zaha or Rooney like Hodgson and Allardyce have inherited.
nothing to do with the overpaid rubbish that puts the shirt on then players like kanu mclean livermore all huff no talent at all...rondon on probably 50k a week cant put his foot on the ball from 4yards out when its his job to many stealing a living and easy to blame pardew when 1 it isnt his team and 2 about time the players pulled there fi gers out of there backsides..they may realise when there wages get halvedSame group of players + some improvements, who finished 10th only last year, and should have finished 8th if not for some end of season complacency.
Performances may have improved (ie in terms of attacking intent) but results have not. The squad is not "abysmal", it is full of international players, and on paper should be better than quite a few in this league. There may be another reason for the lack of "bounce", which people seem to be unwilling to consider as it is apparently unfair so soon, and that is that we have appointed a very poor manager who has a history of one failure after another. I genuinely don't see some people's optimism that Alan Pardew is our saviour - a poor, lazy, uninspiring and unambitious appointment in my view.AP's overall career record is better than Pulis's, whilst also being achieved in a way that's infinitely more entertaining to watch. Did AP fail at Reading or Southampton? He also got Newcastle into Europe, but perhaps that also rates as a failure in your book? Even at Palace, which I imagine you regard as being dismal failure, he only lost 4 more matches than he won.
If we had a striker who knew where the net was, we would all be saying how great Pardew has done.... but unfortunately we have a very out of form Rondon who can't even put sitters away atm and our better players can't seem to stay injury free andWhen Rondons in form he's still very poor and that's the problem,not good enough
When Rondons in form he's still very poor and that's the problem,not good enoughThis and other comments seem like scapegoating to me. No team is so reliant on one player that they find themselves bottom of the league when his form dips. Yes, we have had a few injuries as well but no more than anyone else. Pardew has been here over a month and seems to have no idea who his best team is yet, which doesn't inspire me with confidence frankly. Yacob comes in, plays very well, then gets dropped. Field comes in, plays very well, then gets dropped. Livermore comes in, plays very poorly, then gets picked game after game.
This and other comments seem like scapegoating to me. No team is so reliant on one player that they find themselves bottom of the league when his form dips. Yes, we have had a few injuries as well but no more than anyone else. Pardew has been here over a month and seems to have no idea who his best team is yet, which doesn't inspire me with confidence frankly. Yacob comes in, plays very well, then gets dropped. Field comes in, plays very well, then gets dropped. Livermore comes in, plays very poorly, then gets picked game after game.Pardew as got the ability and once he sign's a goalscorer he will get us out of the mess the other bloke put us in!!
The art of good management is getting the best out of what you have got. Hodgson inherited a club that had lost about 7 or 8 games consecutively and turned it around, that is what a good manager can do over a short period of time, with limited resources and a group of players whose confidence is shot to pieces. Alan Pardew, no such ability I'm afraid.
The club has massively neglected to invest in the striker department for too long.agree with you about about striker department but it has been a problem for the majority of our stay in prem, can count on three fingers the strikers of premership quality odemwingie pre qpr stunt, lukaku and berahino pre spurs debacle not giving phillips 2 year contract also was a no brainer as his goals could of kept us up.
Just looked at some stats for our last 100 league games and its quite frankly shocking.
In 75 of our last 100 league games we've failed to score more than a single goal.
In 38 games we failed to score.
This goes back to the tail end of the 2014/15 season upto our last match.
Bringing in Rodriguez and HRK was never going to solve the problem.
This and other comments seem like scapegoating to me. No team is so reliant on one player that they find themselves bottom of the league when his form dips. Yes, we have had a few injuries as well but no more than anyone else. Pardew has been here over a month and seems to have no idea who his best team is yet, which doesn't inspire me with confidence frankly. Yacob comes in, plays very well, then gets dropped. Field comes in, plays very well, then gets dropped. Livermore comes in, plays very poorly, then gets picked game after game.
The art of good management is getting the best out of what you have got. Hodgson inherited a club that had lost about 7 or 8 games consecutively and turned it around, that is what a good manager can do over a short period of time, with limited resources and a group of players whose confidence is shot to pieces. Alan Pardew, no such ability I'm afraid.
All those on here sniping at AP are just highlighting how bad Pulls was and how bereft of any attacking intent or ideas he actually had in the squadPulis is a very defensive manager, and had the same attacking options that Pardew has. However, despite those two facts, we scored more goals than 7 other teams last season.
Can't wait for pardew football next season what ever league we are in, it's blessing and refreshing, taking longer than I expected to recover from the most tedious football ever witnessedHe may not even be our coach should we get relegated
I voted for mcinnes , I never said no to pardew, some folk doh half get it wrongAh yes, sorry, my comment was meant to be in reply to 59's post. Will correct it.
Pardew as got the ability and once he sign's a goalscorer he will get us out of the mess the other bloke put us in!!You never wanted him to come and now suddenly he's Corberan
Ah yes, sorry, my comment was meant to be in reply to 69's post. Will correct it.It's 59 not 69,you're having a bad hair day timdon.🍌
It's 59 not 69,you're having a bad hair day timdon.🍌I resemble that comment ;D
What’s changed? Our goal scoring is arguably worse than under Pulis.
Evidence so fair he's the bloke to build us again7 games, 4 points, 3 goals - he's certainly off to a flyer, can't deny the evidence eh?
As someone who didn’t want Pardew with the same group of players he is doing so much better than Pullis.
Starting to worry now. He's had long enough now to assess the squad. The team selection wasn't great but then the substitutes. Wow. Don't think anyone else watching that game would have made 2 never mind 3 of those changes. He's talking the talk but sadly not walking the walk in deeds or actions.Wouldn't have brought Nyom on but Phillips and Brunt going off I would have no problem with based on playing again in 3 days time.
He isn't though. His points ratio is worse and his goal per game ratio is worse.
Not brilliant subs but who the feck has he got to bring on. Some of you need to wobble your heads . We are going down and it's that fish called pulis that's to blame along with the board for supporting him and his non proactive purchases
I will wager after the same amount of games as the dinosaur managed us pardew will have a better % win record.pulis stands at a dismal 29.75 and Bored every f00 ker to death with it along the way
He isn't though. His points ratio is worse and his goal per game ratio is worse.
Whatever team he inherited. Whatever culture of football he inherited. Today he made some of the most shocking decisions we have seen from a manager when it comes to substitutions and tactics. That nobody can deny or hide from.You just wait, the denyers and hiders will soon appear. For what it's worth, I agree with you.
Whatever team he inherited. Whatever culture of football he inherited. Today he made some of the most shocking decisions we have seen from a manager when it comes to substitutions and tactics. That nobody can deny or hide from.
I was surprised to see Phillips replaced.
Perhaps it was to give him a few minutes longer rest, ready for West Ham.
Should have put on Burke in exchange.
Starting to worry now. He's had long enough now to assess the squad. The team selection wasn't great but then the substitutes. Wow. Don't think anyone else watching that game would have made 2 never mind 3 of those changes. He's talking the talk but sadly not walking the walk in deeds or actions.
I think your missing the fact that both Brunt and Phillips were physically shot. Phillips played well first half and was anonymous second as his legs had gone. Expected as he's only just returned to the team. Same for Brunt, he looked absolutely shattered and was poor throughout. We play West Ham in a couple of days. So the subs made sense when you realise how tired they were. I would rather have seen Burke or anyone but McClean come on although the bench wasn't stacked with much choice. Nothing wrong with the tactics today either. We limited Arsenal to very few chances, had a go when we could and got a deserved but ultimatelt lucky draw.
But you wanted to give pulis longer after how long he spent f*cking us up? Sounds like someone has started the new years eve drinking very early!
They didn't though. Why McLean? Why Nyom? HRK could have gone LM. Burke could have gone RM. At one point he put Dawson up top. He ruined our shape.
He isn't though. His points ratio is worse and his goal per game ratio is worse.
I was surprised to see Phillips replaced.
Perhaps it was to give him a few minutes longer rest, ready for West Ham.
Should have put on Burke in exchange.
They didn't though. Why McLean? Why Nyom? HRK could have gone LM. Burke could have gone RM. At one point he put Dawson up top. He ruined our shape.
I understand why they went off but who he put on and how they impacted us was awful.
He can only pick from what he's got can't he?
Judge him on his transfers and at the end of the season eh?
Give the guy a chance I think he'll come good and get us out of this pulis mess.
He can only pick from what he's got can't he?after seven games if he`s still playing hrk, livermore and mcclean a head of burke, field, yacob or greg then i think the bloke isnt up to keeping us up.
Judge him on his transfers and at the end of the season eh?
Give the guy a chance I think he'll come good and get us out of this pulis mess.
not impressed with him picking hrk from start as this lad is not a prem footballer does absolutly nothing for the team, cant score, cant pass, cant trap a ball and has no pace. why wasnt burke given a chance and for the life of me how the hell did that liability mcclean get on the pitch before him? alan the sooner you gt to spec savers the better. :oWho else could he have picked to start? And don't say Burke,not enough experience
Who else could he have picked to start? And don't say Burke,not enough experienceBURKE showed more in his cameo roles than hrk has since he`s been here.
He changed the shape to match Arsenal which made sense. HRK at right wing back wouldn't have worked as he was another one with no legs left. Hence it was the fresh subs who came on either side. The setup, tactics and performance today was decent, one of those bonus points against a top six team.
BURKE showed more in his cameo roles than hrk has since he`s been here.And gave the ball away which led to manures goal
Is there a stato who knows the unwanted record of most number of games before first win as Albion manager? Genuine question.
The football is better but I actually think Pardew is getting an easier ride than normal because people were so desperate to see Pulis go.
We have done ok against Liverpool and Arsenal but there were 3 games that we desperately needed to win Swansea, Palace and Stoke. We scored 1 goal and got 1 point from those games.
I wouldn't say he's getting an easy ride at all, it's just the people that don't lack common sense and have their eyes open, understand the mess we have been left in and are giving him his fair chance to do all he can with a bang average out of form bunch of players.[/b]
Some people still don't want to judge pulis after enough transfer windows and a good amount of funds, but call for Pardews head before he even got to his first transfer window.
I wouldn't say he's getting an easy ride at all, it's just the people that don't lack common sense and have their eyes open, understand the mess we have been left in and are giving him his fair chance to do all he can with a bang average out of form bunch of players.
Some people still don't want to judge pulis after enough transfer windows and a good amount of funds, but call for Pardews head before he even got to his first transfer window.
I was anti Pulis from the start but was convinced by people that we should give him time to mould the Irvine mess into something reasonable, "it can't be fixed over 2 or 3 transfer windows" was the mantra at one stage. Well TP fixed it alright and left us in our worst EVER form.MacLean shouldn't have been in the wall AP ordered him into it after it had been set... so he is a little at fault.
I am flabbergasted that Alan Pardew is being lambasted already, he has a MONUMENTAL task fixing our current problems (injuries, form, confidence, un-balanced squad .....) he is publically conducting himself well, he HAS changed the way we play already, yes he is making errors (McLean playing and Yacob not playing are the obvious examples), but for god sake we have to give him time. It certainly wasn't him who told McLean to perform a pirouette at the end of the wall (Tw@T !)
7 games and zero transfer windows and some are slagging him off, this is typical of all thats wrong with the modern fan. We need the lads to start picking up some wins, does anyone seriously think another change of manager will cause this to happen?
I read that players are unlikely to come to B71 as we are in trouble, add in a Sunderland style management strategy and then see who wants to come to us.
Get behind the lads and AP and we will be OK, I am convinced of it. 3 points tonight would help no end though. COYB !!!
Has now lost to Stoke, Swansea and West Ham and not won a game. Think we have to accept we've made a massive mistake.Never thought I'd agree with you Jacko but you are spot on with this.
Has now lost to Stoke, Swansea and West Ham and not won a game. Think we have to accept we've made a massive mistake.
Its not his team.Needs another three transfer windows at least before we can judge him. He's just doing his best with the mess thats been left and the injuries inherited. Phillips being out was shocking bad luck but not much on the bench that was either fit or of decent quality to replace him on the right.
A few people need to take their rose tinted glasses off and see it for what it is. Stop blaming Pulis for the mess we’re in, that excuse can’t be used for the rest of the season. Yes his football was rubbish but these are professional footballers not kids or pub players.
We’ve appointed a manager because he’s the Director of Footballs best mate and cheap to get in. There’s no way he’s been appointed on ability or recent track record.
No new manager bounce, no enthusiasm from the players and whether you like it or not no enthusiasm from the home fans. If your honest with yourselves you know we’ve been sold a pup.
Its not his team.Needs another three transfer windows at least before we can judge him. He's just doing his best with the mess thats been left and the injuries inherited. Phillips being out was shocking bad luck but not much on the bench that was either fit or of decent quality to replace him on the right.
I think pardew should do the decent thing and resign. Draws against the top 6 no good to us. Get in a young hungry manager ready for the championshiphammond and williams should sling their hooks they appointed pardew.
Hasn’t taken long for Tony’s pals to turn on the new bloke has it?
Let’s be honest lads, Guardiola couldn’t keep this team in the league. We are finished, and whilst Pulis is partly to blame and Pardew isn’t getting the points we need, this has happened under Williams’ watch.
Sack the f***ing board.
Hasn’t taken long for Tony’s pals to turn on the new bloke has it?
Let’s be honest lads, Guardiola couldn’t keep this team in the league. We are finished, and whilst Pulis is partly to blame and Pardew isn’t getting the points we need, this has happened under Williams’ watch.
Sack the f***ing board.
Given how many bad teams there are at the bottom I don't think it was too unrealistic to ask the new manager just to finish 17th. Pardew still has time but not being able to beat bad teams is troubling.
We are the worst of the lot! Swansea have Ayew, Bony, Abraham, West Ham have Carroll, Lanzini, Palace have Zaha, Townsend, Benteke.... we have three donkeys up front and our only two decent attacking players are made of poppadoms and are more often than not injured.
We are rubbish.
In all seriousness, failure to beat Brighton surely he will have to go
Thing is though who is going to do a better job? Can you blame managers for players missing multiple chances and making mistakes constantly? That's been the theme whether we've had the pragmatic boring Pulis approach, or the Pardew approach of being more expansive having more shots, possession etc. Is it the players themselves? That's the real question we should be asking because we're simply not good enough,we've tried different tactics and styles, and after watching some of our players with such lack of ideas and creativity in and around the 18 yard box today was depressing. Again, another team literally there for the taking, who we've had chances to bury and we haven't done it. It's 11 v 11 there and for the whole of last year and first game of the new year our 11 has always performed to a substandard in comparison to our opponents 11 all over the pitch . I can't remember West Hams keeper being anywhere near as busy as Foster was as well, he kept us in it first half. I really want to be positive but tonight is just sickening. I've literally just mustered up the courage to write on this staring at my computer screen for the past 30 minutes thinking about May and all the dingles and seals down the road if they go up. I want to look at our fixtures moving forward and get confidence, we have Brighton next in the league and then Everton away. I stopped looking after Everton away :'( haha
At the moment we're 8 points from Huddersfield in 11th with 24 points. We seriously need 4 signings minimum that are going to impact heavily on this seriously unbalanced, injury ridden (to key players in positions we need) squad. I think its out of us, Southampton,Swansea and Bournemouth. Brighton and Huddersfield could still be dragged into it depending on how us and others strengthen and how the head to heads go so its not all doom and gloom. The only way out of this is going to be with some serious positivity from everyone involved with the club ,which after tonight won't be easy but we really have to be the 12th man if we're going to pull off a great escape mk2. So I'm going to cry in my bed for the night and forget about the whole thing in the morning and be positive about us staying up ;D.
Not his team.... pulis had how many transfer windows and how much money to sort us out.... failed miserably.... why can't Pardew get the same chance?
Pardew definitely wasn't my first choice... but I have enough common sense to see the mess he has walked into.
In all seriousness, failure to beat Brighton surely he will have to go
In all seriousness, failure to beat Brighton surely he will have to go
People mentiong recruitment, I don’t disagree but weren’t people hailing our summer window as the best they can remember? Well done to the board?
Pardew certainly wasn’t my choice, that said I would be disappointed if I was taking over a championship team with the likes of Robson-Kanu, McClean, Nyom etc as regular first team players.
We lack creativity throughout the squad, we only have Rondon who is anything close to a premier league striker, the back up options are simply appalling.
The pro Pulis brigade suggest he would of won enough points to secure safety, I disagree and believe he has left us with a totally unbalanced squad who simply aren’t good enough.
Hasn’t taken long for Tony’s pals to turn on the new bloke has it?
Let’s be honest lads, Guardiola couldn’t keep this team in the league. We are finished, and whilst Pulis is partly to blame and Pardew isn’t getting the points we need, this has happened under Williams’ watch.
Sack the f***ing board.
Not his team.... pulis had how many transfer windows and how much money to sort us out.... failed miserably.... why can't Pardew get the same chance?
Pardew definitely wasn't my first choice... but I have enough common sense to see the mess he has walked into.
People mentiong recruitment, I don’t disagree but weren’t people hailing our summer window as the best they can remember? Well done to the board?
Can we cut all the Tony's pals stuff, all the pulishater, the Pardew hater stuff that no doubt on his way, petty, childish and not wanted. As bad as A F I and all that jazz
Last year's recruitment was much worse. Somehow Kanu was our 2nd striker for a whole season.
Interesting you call McLean Championship standard when he proved today he was capable of a Premiership performance.
Nice of him to finally turn up then.
It's only January ffs!!
If that's the case how on earth did we finish 10th last season with a weaker squad?
We really should be doing better with the players we have.
Interesting you call McLean Championship standard when he proved today he was capable of a Premiership performance.
Scored a goal in a game we lost, he's still massively in debit this season, owes us about 10 points.
I completely agree we should be, but what more can Pardew do?
Seriously.... he has got us creating way more chances each game... it's not his fault if the players couldn't finish their dinner.... how can he physically make the players convert chances?
The big risk that has failed this transfer window has been JRod. But 15M for a striker is a punt and it's burned a lot of teams (Andre Gray at Watford, Saido at Stoke, Javier Hernandez at WH, Iheanacho at LC).
Pardew was a poor, unambitious, and very risky appointment. By contrast, see what Roy Hodgson has achieved at Palace - terrible start to the season before he came, squad confidence shattered, players looking awful, and look how he has them playing. THAT is what a good manager can do. The buck stops with Pardew, and 4 points from his first 8 games is awful. He was famous at Newcastle for his continual embarrassing excuses, never his fault, and is starting to sound exactly like that .But even if we had Roy back we would still be asking the same players to finish their chances,we are p1$$ poor up top sadly
All of whom are better and would offer more than the championship rubbish that we have.
But even if we had Roy back uoud still be asking the same players to finish their chances,we are p1$$ poor up top sadly
Never been a fan of Pardew but to want him out already is embarrassing, this window we have to let Evans go (for the right money) and get Greg out to free up the wages and to allow Pardew to get fresh faces in plus a striker who can either link up with Rondon or replace him but will score more goals.
Time to judge Pardew is this time next year when he's had the Summer window as well which hopefully will see a few squad players moving on and more wages saved to bring in more freshness.
The players have a part to play in where we are, Pulis has a big part to play as the football was absolute guff but the blokes on the pitch need to look at themselves in the mirror and ask themselves are they putting it in where it counts.
Hammond and the recruitment department also take a big share as this squad is lacking in certain areas and the signing of Robson-Kanu based on one goal in the Euros was laughable for example.
The blame is collective, not just one person.
Pards putting the blame on 2 games in 3 days..
Always was and always will be the easy excuse.
2 games in 3 days does not disguise we are rubbish and have not been able to win a game in 20 odd matches.
What was the excuse at Stoke? Swansea?
So they would have miraculously not missed all their chances? Loffin
Hodgson would have us on about 30 points by now. With these players.
Pardew was a poor, unambitious, and very risky appointment. By contrast, see what Roy Hodgson has achieved at Palace - terrible start to the season before he came, squad confidence shattered, players looking awful, and look how he has them playing. THAT is what a good manager can do. The buck stops with Pardew, and 4 points from his first 8 games is awful. He was famous at Newcastle for his continual embarrassing excuses, never his fault, and is starting to sound exactly like that .I would add that it was a lazy and simple appointment for those involved in the process,a bit like our player recruitment.The clubs rife with people who just want to stroll along and not willing to push the club to the next level and with that attitude they've taken us backwards.
Perfectly reasonable statement. He has Palace on 22, starting from a position of 0 points from 7 games when he arrived. We had 9 points at that stage.
Hodgson would have us on about 30 points by now. With these players.
You cant blame the manager for players not being able to score easy chances. We are definitely creating more chances but just not taking them. The manager isnt to blame for poor finishing form players who are supposed to be proffesionals not being able to do the basics right, like tap the ball over the line from 6 yards out !!!Is that not EXACTLY what the manager should be blamed for? Otherwise, what's the point of a manager? He picks them, he coaches them. He's had a good few matches to work his magic.
Is that not EXACTLY what the manager should be blamed for? Otherwise, what's the point of a manager? He picks them, he coaches them. He's had a good few matches to work his magic.I'll defend him on that , Rondon doesn't score enough while HRK isnt up to it. JR looks like a 14m flop.
Perfectly reasonable statement. He has Palace on 22, starting from a position of 0 points when he arrived.If Pardew had Zaha, Benteke and Puncheon at his disposal, I think we'd have scored a few more goals.
If Pardew had Zaha, Benteke and Puncheon at his disposal, I think we'd have scored a few more goals.
Its a poor excuse when Palace and Man City both played Sunday and tonight and both won as well.their opponents had played since Boxing day though !!
Benteke has exactly 1 goal in the PL.So you think there's nothing to choose between Palace's and our strikers?
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he'd have to have bought Zaha and a couple of others with him !!!
Hodgson would have us on about 30 points by now. With these players.
So you think there's nothing to choose between Palace's and our strikers?
their opponents had played since Boxing day though !!
yes but their opponents had other games to, West Ham had not played since Boxing Day, over a week to rest and prepare anybody else had that in their favour tonight?
yes but their opponents had other games to, West Ham had not played since Boxing Day, over a week to rest and prepare anybody else had that in their favour tonight?
But West Ham and Spurs play again on Thursday, thats the way it goes.
But West Ham and Spurs play again on Thursday, thats the way it goes.but both teams played tonight so that’s fair, to have one team fully rested and the other having played 48 hours previous is ridiculous.
Yes but I think they point is that they both played tonight, so they both have the same period of rest, so they are even in terms of their opportunity to recover. West Ham had 5 or 6 days against our one - thats the bit that I think is unfair.
I'm sure its a logistical nightmare trying to sort the fixture list though and its easy to criticise from afar.
but both teams played tonight so that’s fair, to have one team fully rested and the other having played 48 hours previous is ridiculous.
As for Pardew I don’t think he can legislate for strikers not taking chances, McLean taking the ball off HRK tonight as he was about to shoot. He’s doing the best he can with the players he’s been left, he sets up so we are attacking teams and creating chances, I can’t blame him if the chances aren’t taken
At times some clubs have longer breaks than others, thats football. For the club to go whining about it is small time and gives players pre-made excuses. Get on with it, people in the real world do longer shifts in more stressful jobs and get on with it.
But thats not comparable. Do people do longer shifts as opposed to a colleague who does a much shorter list and then they are made to compete against each other?
The point is that this is now a very scientific sport where recovery is key. I agree it was small time to complain and I'd rather we didn't show weakness by complaining, but its a fact that it gave West Ham a significant advantage.
Go through the season and I guess there will be other clubs in similar situations with some having longer breaks.mainly due to teams playing in European competitions, i doubt there is many occasions where two teams playing in the same competition have had more than a day or 2 difference in breaks, 5 day’s difference is giving one team a big advantage in terms of player fatigue.
Of course its comparable when someone doing a life or death job such as a nurse or doctor is doing shifts.Have we gone off topic ? 😂😂
We all know games come fast over holiday periods and due to tv schedules some get moved others don't. Complain about it when it happens not during that period.
mainly due to teams playing in European competitions, i doubt there is many occasions where two teams playing in the same competition have had more than a day or 2 difference in breaks, 5 day’s difference is giving one team a big advantage in terms of player fatigue.
Have we gone off topic ? 😂😂
Eddie Izzard ran 27 marathons in 27 days for sports relief doing 2 marathons on the last day.he's 54, smokes and drinks so I won't shed no tears for our multi-millionaires Having To Play twice In 48 Hours.
Eddie Izzard ran 27 marathons in 27 days for sports relief doing 2 marathons on the last day.he's 54, smokes and drinks so I won't shed no tears for our multi-millionaires Having To Play twice In 48 Hours.
Alan Pardew's Premier League record since 1st Jan 2016: Played: 44; Won: 6; Drawn: 12; Lost: 26
Is it me or is Phillips turning into the next Daniel Sturridge?? The guys always injured. We have been missing 3 creative players for virtually the whole season so far, Chadli, Morrison & Phillips. We don't have a striker worth talking about. Our last two 'expensive' strikers have been complete flops. I am 110% behind the fact we got rid of Pulis, but am worried Pardew wont be given the tools to get us out of this deep mess we are now in. Mr Lai cant sit back and say we have to sell before we buy, because his club will be worth a fraction of what he paid for it if we get relegated. He needs to gamble on giving Pardew £20m plus any other money we raise from sales. We need 2 strikers, not just 1. And Pardew - Please stop playing 3 defensive midfielders ala Pulis.
The only thing I'd criticise Pardew for is not playing Field. Apart from that he's done as well as anybody else would have done with the players at his disposal.
The only thing I'd criticise Pardew for is not playing Field. Apart from that he's done as well as anybody else would have done with the players at his disposal.
I don't think we should have signed him but I don't think we should get rid.
Anyone who thinks he's doing well so far surely needs *their* head wobbled?
Have you seen his record since taking over? How is dropping point after point in winnable games doing well?
I don't think we should have signed him but I don't think we should get rid.
Anyone who thinks he's doing well so far surely needs *their* head wobbled?
Have you seen his record since taking over? How is dropping point after point in winnable games doing well?
have you seen the rubbish left over hes got to play with
Pulis finished 10th with Kanu as his only backup striker. Heck the team finish 13th and 14th the years prior. The roster isn't that bad.
and he's supposed to have improved the side so much so that were now 19th
have you seen the rubbish left over hes got to play with
and he's supposed to have improved the side so much so that were now 19th
Who do we lose in the 2 transfer windows that made such a big impact on the squad?or others improved whilst we stood still doing the minimum we thought neccessary whilst only trying to sign players making us arrrrrd to beat and ignoring attacking options
Saido? Fletcher? The legendary Craig Gardner ;D?
Generally it's the same squad that the previous manager kept up. I guess it's possible the squad over 10 months just all progressively got worse or it's Pulis and Pardew tactically are struggling.
or others improved whilst we stood still doing the minimum we thought neccessary whilst only trying to sign players making us arrrrrd to beat and ignoring attacking options
He’s not a miracle worker! If he was, then he wouldn’t be managing us! Until he gets half of our current starting XI out of starting XI then we’ll be able to judge him properly.
All reminds me of when we brought Pepe Mel in. The squad he had wasn’t capable of playing his way.. the current squad only knows one way. It needs drastic changes this month if we want to survive
Scored a goal in a game we lost, he's still massively in debit this season, owes us about 10 points.
I'm afraid i'm yet to be convinced by Pardew......i honestly thin we may have picked up more points under Pulis.I haven't a clue why you would think that! Tony Pulis picked up 3 points in his last 8 games in charge and lost the last four. Our performances, if not yet our results, have improved but we will need fresh impetuous in January to get us out of the hole that Pulis left us in.
I'm afraid i'm yet to be convinced by Pardew......i honestly thin we may have picked up more points under Pulis.
Problem is, until we sign better players, we’re lumbered and stuck with what he inherited.. and 60-70% if the starting XI simply aren’t good enoughNot only is he stuck with what he has on the pitch but you only have to look on here to see divisions he created. i would think its not unfair to assume that these divisions can be multiplied through various areas of the club.
I'm afraid i'm yet to be convinced by Pardew......i honestly thin we may have picked up more points under Pulis.
thats the biggest laugh i have had in ages
Results have not improved at all since Pardew came in.........we are passing it a bit more but what else has he really changed??
Pulis = dreadful, embaressing football + poor results (back end of last season up til his departure was evidence of that).
Pardew = football is watchable, the intention to win is there + poor results with a squad that's not his (the same excuse the 'pardew haters' were using for pulis for 2 years).
Like i keep saying and will keep on repeating myself... If we had a striker who could score goals, we would be having completely different discussions on here about pardew.
Our biggest problem is, someone has used a good chunk of our money filling our squad with championship players.
See Nick Hammond. In all honesty i dont recall many fans moaning with the players brought in back in the summer. The constant Pullis bashing is all very boring now. If the sun fell out of the sky no doubt some would blame him.
Pardew is very good at talking, i am not convinced by him though.
Pulis = dreadful, embaressing football + poor results (back end of last season up til his departure was evidence of that).
Pardew = football is watchable, the intention to win is there + poor results with a squad that's not his (the same excuse the 'pardew haters' were using for pulis for 2 years).
Like i keep saying and will keep on repeating myself... If we had a striker who could score goals, we would be having completely different discussions on here about pardew.
Our biggest problem is, someone has used a good chunk of our money filling our squad with championship players.
So just because fans was happy at the time of the signings, it makes them good enough to keep us in this league? We don't even have a single striker who can score goals and your more concernced about not being convinced by what pardew says?... but its everyone thats 'pulis bashing' because people are seeing the mess he left us in? ???
You surely can't deny the fact that we lack quality way too much.
Blame the board and Hammond!! They signed off all transfers! See what fans from Pardew's previous clubs have to say about him........there isn't much good thats for sure!
See Nick Hammond. In all honesty i dont recall many fans moaning with the players brought in back in the summer. The constant Pullis bashing is all very boring now. If the sun fell out of the sky no doubt some would blame him.
Pardew is very good at talking, i am not convinced by him though.
I don't get it either - it's this desperation to blame everything on Pulis while absolving Pardew of any responsibility. We were dead right to get rid of Pulis when we did - I think he deserved this season to see what he could do but it obviously wasn't working. He was unlucky that we had Phillips, Chadli, Brunt, Morrison out but he's still the manager at the end of the day and two of those were players he inherited.
However...
If this squad of players is so poor how does that explain last season plus the fact that the vast majority of us were happy with the summer signings? When the transfer window closed nobody was saying our squad is championship quality, now the squad is in terrible shape, it's awful, nailed on relegation etc.
Either the squad isn't as bad as people are making out it is OR Pulis is some kind of god like manager.
Now, we know that Pulis isn't a god like manager ergo the squad can't be as bad as the position we're finding ourselves in, ergo, Pardew has to take some responsibility.
I don't get it either - it's this desperation to blame everything on Pulis while absolving Pardew of any responsibility. We were dead right to get rid of Pulis when we did - I think he deserved this season to see what he could do but it obviously wasn't working. He was unlucky that we had Phillips, Chadli, Brunt, Morrison out but he's still the manager at the end of the day and two of those were players he inherited.
However...
If this squad of players is so poor how does that explain last season plus the fact that the vast majority of us were happy with the summer signings? When the transfer window closed nobody was saying our squad is championship quality, now the squad is in terrible shape, it's awful, nailed on relegation etc.
Either the squad isn't as bad as people are making out it is OR Pulis is some kind of god like manager.
Now, we know that Pulis isn't a god like manager ergo the squad can't be as bad as the position we're finding ourselves in, ergo, Pardew has to take some responsibility.
I don't get it either - it's this desperation to blame everything on Pulis while absolving Pardew of any responsibility. We were dead right to get rid of Pulis when we did - I think he deserved this season to see what he could do but it obviously wasn't working. He was unlucky that we had Phillips, Chadli, Brunt, Morrison out but he's still the manager at the end of the day and two of those were players he inherited.Again ATM all pardew is guilty of is being slightly deluded in thinking he could make a silk purse out of the cows ear pulis has left the club
However...
If this squad of players is so poor how does that explain last season plus the fact that the vast majority of us were happy with the summer signings? When the transfer window closed nobody was saying our squad is championship quality, now the squad is in terrible shape, it's awful, nailed on relegation etc.
Either the squad isn't as bad as people are making out it is OR Pulis is some kind of god like manager.
Now, we know that Pulis isn't a god like manager ergo the squad can't be as bad as the position we're finding ourselves in, ergo, Pardew has to take some responsibility.
Again ATM all pardew is guilty of is being slightly deluded in thinking he could make a silk purse out of the cows ear pulis has left the clubDon't get me wrong, I don't think Pardew should be sacked or anything - but I am pretty sure that what we're getting now isn't what this squad is capable of. Maybe I'm just more positive about the Albion than others.
Might upset some on here but Pardew has to take ALL responsibility. Pulis as gone end of.True, but I think, out of everything, being so goal shy up front is something that can be laid at his door. and it's certainly costing us lately. Pulis' teams obviously don't create loads of chances so having forwards who can put them away should be pretty high up his list. I have some sympathy in that we signed J-Rod and I hoped he'd come good, but even assuming HRK as back up 4th choice I think we're still missing at least 1 forward.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think Pardew should be sacked or anything - but I am pretty sure that what we're getting now isn't what this squad is capable of. Maybe I'm just more positive about the Albion than others.
At the risk of stating the obvious, if someone up front was actually converting the chances we are now creating then we would not be in this position, so therein lies the whole problem.This
This is a stat of our goal scorers for last season. Pretty self explanatory where our goals are missing this season.
https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/west-brom-albion/2016-17/top-scorers.html (https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/west-brom-albion/2016-17/top-scorers.html)
At the risk of stating the obvious, if someone up front was actually converting the chances we are now creating then we would not be in this position, so therein lies the whole problem.
If we had spent the £30 million we wasted on J-Rod and Burke on a player who was going to score over 10 goals a season then I think we would easily be top 12 right now.
And boinging_along don't forget that our only two number 10's in Chadli and Morrison have basically been injured all season. So have our two best wingers in Phillips and Brunt.
Looking at last year's goalscorers compared to this year so far, we have:
2016/2017:
Rondon - 8
McAuley - 6
Morrison - 5
Chadli - 5
Dawson - 4
Phillips - 4
Brunt - 3
HRK - 3
Fletcher - 2
Evans - 2
McClean - 1
2017/2018:
Rodriguez - 3
Rondon - 3
HRK - 2
McClean - 1
Hegazy - 1
Barry - 1
Evans - 1
Phillips - 1
Chadli - 1
Morrison - 1
Field - 1
Based on the fact we're a little under two thirds of the way through the season, I can't see too many of our higher-scoring players reaching what they did last season. McAuley's 6 goals really sticks out as being a big miss. Also Morrison being injured has really hurt us.
So basically we are employing three players to do the work of one.......
The whole blame for me lies with whoever felt going in to a season with a frontline picked from Rondon , Kanu, and JROD would be adequate. I’m not sure who that is but it sure as hell isnt Alan Pardew. We shelled out tonnes in valuable wages on Greg who , I’m sure is a good player but we blatantly didn’t need. Again I’ve no idea who the final decision on that one lay with it it wasn’t Alan Pardew.
Well the top list is a full season while the bottom is thus far.
I would expect a 'striker' to get 10 on his own at this stage of the season. Speaks volumes really doesn't it?10 might be pushing it as you'd be aiming for a 17+ goal season, certainly more than 3 or whatever it is though :D
It’s not strikers we need but an attacking midfielder, we are really missing Morrison. Pullis brought too many defensive midfielders and tried to play them all, we are still missing that link to the front players.An AM on his own wouldn't solve the problem of our misfiring poor strikers,granted a good one would chip in with a few more goals though
So basically we are employing three players to do the work of one.......
I would expect a 'striker' to get 10 on his own at this stage of the season. Speaks volumes really doesn't it?Only seven "strikers" have got 10 or more goals at this stage of the season and apart from Rooney they are all at Champions League contender clubs. Might need to make your expectations a little more realistic.
An AM on his own wouldn't solve the problem of our misfiring poor strikers,granted a good one would chip in with a few more goals though
I must admit to being disappointed that AP has repeated comments this week that he made when he first joined the club. Referring to the squad's youger players, he said: "I’d love to give those players game experience, in a better scenario than we’re in. But we’re in a scenario where we haven’t won for a long time so we have to win a game. I explain to all the young players here, their progression as an individual has to take a back seat to the situation of the club. What comes first is the football club, everything else is second. It all comes secondary now. It doesn’t mean we won’t involve those players on the training ground or on loan."
Link: E & S (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/10/alan-pardew-admits-premier-league-peril-may-hits-young-guns-hopes-at-west-brom/)
Such an attitude might be understandable if the senior players were making a decent fist of getting results, but they're not, so sometimes you have to give others a proper chance to see what they can do. AP's reputation is well and truly on the line in this job, but I'd like him to have some flexibility and not keep picking players who aren't doing a good enough job for us in the hope that their experience will see us through. That was something that frustrated me when Pulis was here, so I'm surprised to see it continuing under AP. There has to be a level playing field for all players IMO, I can't abide a "sacred cows" approach.
I must admit to being disappointed that AP has repeated comments this week that he made when he first joined the club. Referring to the squad's youger players, he said: "I’d love to give those players game experience, in a better scenario than we’re in. But we’re in a scenario where we haven’t won for a long time so we have to win a game. I explain to all the young players here, their progression as an individual has to take a back seat to the situation of the club. What comes first is the football club, everything else is second. It all comes secondary now. It doesn’t mean we won’t involve those players on the training ground or on loan."He has never been known for bringing through young players, nor particularly for developing players in general. I'm not surprised to see it at all. It's what I would have expected from an old school manager like Pardew
Link: E & S (https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/01/10/alan-pardew-admits-premier-league-peril-may-hits-young-guns-hopes-at-west-brom/)
Such an attitude might be understandable if the senior players were making a decent fist of getting results, but they're not, so sometimes you have to give others a proper chance to see what they can do. AP's reputation is well and truly on the line in this job, but I'd like him to have some flexibility and not keep picking players who aren't doing a good enough job for us in the hope that their experience will see us through. That was something that frustrated me when Pulis was here, so I'm surprised to see it continuing under AP. There has to be a level playing field for all players IMO, I can't abide a "sacred cows" approach.
If the kids had been used when they should have done, during last year's end of season debacle, they would be less of an unknown quantity now. As it is, it's a risk to put them out.One mistake by Leko last season and we didn't see him again. Field has arguably been our best midfielder and drops out the squad altogether. match time given to the youngsters last season was poor considering how often the manager said he'd play them. Always an excuse not to play them if we look for one.
That being said, as the senior players are so gash, it should be a risk worth taking, especially with Field and Burke with maybe Leko and Roberts from the bench.
Would be foolish for Pardew to write them off as an option.
One mistake by Leko last season and we didn't see him again. Field has arguably been our best midfielder and drops out the squad altogether. match time given to the youngsters last season was poor considering how often the manager said he'd play them. Always an excuse not to play them if we look for one.Agree 100%, shame only Megson could see it out of those picking the sides.
either use them and play the kids or stop wasting money on the academy who's purpose is to bring younger players through.
I would choose Burke, Leko or Roberts over HRK anyday, what s to lose?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/13/15/48192A2900000578-5265899-image-m-68_1515858091840.jpg)
As an aside, I notice our man wears a very nice timepiece.
Unless I'm very much mistaken it's a Patek Philippe Chronograph 5170G, which retails new at about £55,000
https://monochrome-watches.com/patek-philippe-5170g-chronograph-review-price/ (https://monochrome-watches.com/patek-philippe-5170g-chronograph-review-price/)
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2018/01/13/15/48192A2900000578-5265899-image-m-68_1515858091840.jpg)Probably a knock off! :P
As an aside, I notice our man wears a very nice timepiece.
Unless I'm very much mistaken it's a Patek Philippe Chronograph 5170G, which retails new at about £55,000
https://monochrome-watches.com/patek-philippe-5170g-chronograph-review-price/ (https://monochrome-watches.com/patek-philippe-5170g-chronograph-review-price/)
Probably a knock off! :PHonestly...how many thought about mentioning lucky lucky men in Tenerife calling you "del boy"
Subs were all spot on for me, wonder who mclean was replacing, phillips? Matt looked like he was blowing out his backside in the last 5 minutesat 2-0 with 5 mins to go, I think it was to prove that Maclean doesn't always cost us points ..
Subs were all spot on for me, wonder who mclean was replacing, phillips? Matt looked like he was blowing out his backside in the last 5 minutes
I really did not want Alan Pardew as manager but not just this game but since he has took over (Swansea away being the exception) he has totally transformed the team and it is a joy to watch us play now. I am glad I was wrong !!
Yep,it was 50 years ago beating Liverpool on the way,then Birmingham in the semis,what's the odds on drawing them in the next round?
Only saying like.
Ive just been saying this on FB!! Im not even saying we will win it but football works in mysterious ways like this, we could go out out in the next round but its 50 years this year since we last won it
A run in the Cup could really lift the club and help to improve league results
Im so happy tonight, proper proud of the team
50 years ago, we won the cup.'68'seconds between their first goal and ours. Spooky!
The manager's name was Alan.
Coincidence?
'68'seconds between their first goal and ours. Spooky!
50 years ago, we won the cup.
The manager's name was Alan.
Coincidence?
Can I just point out we also had a manager named Alan a few years back, and he was far from a success :D
Can't ever complain that we got shot of Pulis.I would have thought that compared to what tactics we showed ( if any ) under Pulis have 'developed' massively under Pardew. We still defend as we had to at times yesterday but can you EVER imagine Pulis going to Anfield and playing 4-4-2 ?? or attacking them the way we did ?
Yet the jury is still out on Pardew. The issues are not about results in the short term but how we progress whether we develop tactically whether or not we develop players. Not saying he won't but he has no record of doing it.
We will only see that over the longer term, loving the short term upswing but let's wait and see
Can't ever complain that we got shot of Pulis.
Yet the jury is still out on Pardew. The issues are not about results in the short term but how we progress whether we develop tactically whether or not we develop players. Not saying he won't but he has no record of doing it.
We will only see that over the longer term, loving the short term upswing but let's wait and see
Anyone out there still think we should be careful what we wish for?
Haven’t felt this proud of my team for years.
WE’VE GOT..... PARDIOLA!! 8)
We are second bottom mate.
From a personal point of view the biggest compliment i can pay Pardew is i am enjoying going the Albion again.
I have accepted we are only making the numbers up in the premier league and its an issue for football in general but cups are our only hope, we were given one of the hardest draws going, away from home, one of the biggest clubs in the world, saturday night, we could of prioritised league games, etc, etc, etc instead we went there, had a right go, scored 3 and won well!
I have been to play football today, a lot of my mates used to say last few years how boring watching Albion was for neutrals, this morning they have all been saying what a game and what a team we look, makes me very proud!
I cant stop smiling still, its not just the win, its the manner of the win, this wasnt a smash and grab, we went up there and played good football, following on from the Brighton game where the atmosphere was great and the team responded, its such a difference to even a few months ago.
I respect Pulis for stabilising us but i thank Pardew for giving me as a fan what we all want - hope! They say its the hope that kills you but my hope is i may get to see my team win a cup which would be a dream come true, its a long way off yet but we are in there, and we are in there fighting so to Pardew, the coaches and the players - thank you!
Yea the recent upswing is nice, but he still managed the team as they lost to Stoke, Swansea and West Ham.I think you have to appreciate where Pardew had to fetch the team back from before criticising him for the time it's taken to achieve a measure of success. They'd been drained of confidence and they'd been drilled endlessly in the most negative tactics probably ever seen from an Albion team-certainly in my memory and I've been a fan for over 50 years. The gulf between where we were with Pulis and where we seem to be heading now was huge. It was always going to take time to bridge the gap, whoever we might have appointed. Pardew is doing a good job by actually getting the best out of the resources at his disposal instead of totally ruining them as the one dimensional Pulis was doing this season.
shall we get pulls back then?
so what if we've lost to teams around us,did we expect an instant turn around in performance and results. the football now is much better to watch and results are improving and without doubt players are starting to enjoy it as are the fans. pardew also seems to take the cup serious so thats a big plus.
Sure but if he gets relegated then he still did a bad job. I just don't see the need to over praise the job Pardew has done when he took over a team in the relegation zone and the team is still in the relegation zone.
Can't ever complain that we got shot of Pulis.
Yet the jury is still out on Pardew. The issues are not about results in the short term but how we progress whether we develop tactically whether or not we develop players. Not saying he won't but he has no record of doing it.
We will only see that over the longer term, loving the short term upswing but let's wait and see
We weren't in the relegation zone when Pulis was sacked.
given it a couple of more weeks and we would have been, taken Pardew a while to coach pulisball out of team which i for one are happy about :D
We weren't in the relegation zone when Pulis was sacked.
We weren't in the relegation zone when Pulis was sacked.
We weren't in the relegation zone when Pulis took over either. He pretty much left us exactly as he got us.
If you honestly think that, comparing the squad when he took over to now then I despair. The single stat of current League position ie 17th you're right but it's far too simplistic a view.
You are right. He had a much better squad than Irvine yet still managed to leave on an appalling run, playing a style of football that drove the talent out the squad, fans to despair, and this forum in to constant meltdown.
Probably a knock off! :PI have one of them from Malaysia, can’t get it fixed as they try to “quarantine†it.
So you agree he left us far better off than he found us. Good let's get back to seeing if Pardiola can keep us up like TP did for the last 3 seasons...
So you agree he left us far better off than he found us. Good let's get back to seeing if Pardiola can keep us up like TP did for the last 3 seasons...
So you agree he left us far better off than he found us. Good let's get back to seeing if Pardiola can keep us up like TP did for the last 3 seasons...
Would you rather us in the Prem playing the Pulis way or going down playing the Pardew way? Serious question.
Wouldn’t mind a reason why to your answer as well.
Premier League.
The Pardew way doesn't seem to last mate just ask Newcastle and Palace fans. The last 4 games have been decent. With Saturday being excellent.
Take on board about the Pardew run but you could use the same argument for Pulis’ style also. That’s the nature of the beast in terms of a club of our size/level in the Premier League.
I personally don’t think I will ever, ever understand why any fan would prefer years of Pulisball for the sake of a few quid which doesn’t actually improve the club within the level it’s playing at, rather than watching some exciting football which gets everyone off their seat.
I don't think anyone would say "I'd have Pulisball and 10th-11th rather than exciting football and 10th-11th". Obviously we all want exciting football and to be winning games but it's really difficult to get that blend right.
The biggest thing for me is to get us to a stable Premiership club - one where we go into the season and don't have to fear relegation because even with injuries the squad is strong enough to finish midtable. We can look to play more and more expansive football. If that means Pardew keeping things tight for a season or two then by all means - rather that than Mowbrary style relegations.
Too many people take our place in the top league for granted. That's why I didn't mind Pulis coming in and doing the job he did. As we've seen, it only takes a bad run of injuries for us flirt with relegation and getting straight back up isn't as easy as it once was.
First things first we need to stay up this season.
Premier League.
The Pardew way doesn't seem to last mate just ask Newcastle and Palace fans. The last 4 games have been decent. With Saturday being excellent.
That is a concern, however, much as I supported Pulis for a long while, its clear that we were heading into a death spiral before he was rightly sacked, I don't know if Pardew is the answer long term, but he is a better option than Pulis pragmatism when it fails to provide results.Much as some players don't fit clubs, the same can be said for managers, lets hope that AP has found a good long term match.
With the exception of the top 6 I’m not sure any cog could ever truly not worry about relegation.
I know what you mean but you've still got the cluster of clubs just behind that who don't stress too much. The last couple of seasons it has been a bit more of a free for all but it just shows the dangers of getting complacement like Stoke, and ourselves have done.I would add soton to that complacent category, thinking they can continually sell best assets smacks of complacency (or arrogance) to me
Premier League.
The Pardew way doesn't seem to last mate just ask Newcastle and Palace fans. The last 4 games have been decent. With Saturday being excellent.
But neither did the Pulis way,he left us with a totally unbalanced side and a basket case of a club,god help boro
Premier League.
The Pardew way doesn't seem to last mate just ask Newcastle and Palace fans. The last 4 games have been decent. With Saturday being excellent.
I’m really happy and content with Pardew. Think he’s doing a good job and hope he can break his jinx of short term success only.Same here. Really would have taken anyone over Pulis but, been pleasantly surprised with Pardew's approach.
Sounds like Livermore may still be out of the door.
We didn't look like we'd be getting 8 points for the rest of the season under Pulis towards the end of his tenure, cup run builds vital confidence needed to get wins in the league to so it shouldn't be ignored
I think he's done very well in the circumstances, we look a different team from just 4-5 weeks ago. We were doomed before, Pardews given us a lifetime and that's not always an easy thing to do in a team as derelict in confidence as we were. I think from now to the end of the season we'll be picking up a decent amount points, just have to hope that it's enough to get us over the line
We've lost the three games that actually mattered.
They all matter though.
If we had beaten, Southampton, Huddersfield and Brighton earlier in the season then we'd be sat in 10th on 29 points.
.........in which we fielded a team almost entirely made up of players signed by the previous manager over a number of windows and who's range of attacking skills and passing ability was no where near good enough
We've lost the three games that actually mattered.
He's got me looking forward to games again and for that I am grateful.Agree with this under Pulis we were down anyway and you wouldn't want to watch Pulis football in the championship.
If we go down so be it, we were heading that way anyway. Would rather go into the Championship season with Pardew than Pulis, can you imagine playing 8 at the back vs Barnsley? ???
The questions we should be asking ourselves are not "Is he a better manager than Pulis?" or "Does he play more entertaining football than Pulis?". We could all argue all day about the first question and the answer to the second question is yes, but it would have been yes with about 95% of managers, so is largely irrelevant.
The question we should be asking ourselves is "Is he a good manager, one who can improve our results and stave off the threat of relegation?". Personally I have never been convinced by him but that is just a personal opinion. What can't be denied is that our league form hasn't improved since he arrived. 1 win in 11 games is extremely poor. 7 goals in 11 games is extremely poor. Our squad is stronger than it was last year and the year before, it is full of international players who possess skill and ability. I am an Albion fan first and foremost, so I really hope that Pardew is the answer, but so far there is no real evidence that he is.
I really think you are under estimating the malaise which the squad were affected by under Pulis.You are re writing history to suit your argument mate. Hegazi scored on his debut against Bournemouth which we won, and both Hegazi and Barry played in the win against Burnley. And in case you hadn't noticed, we still are in the direst of shape - 3 points adrift at the bottom, much worse than when Pardew took over.
Big Sam / Moyes / carvalhio ...... didn't have to turn around squads that hadn't won since August and prior to that since April !!!
FFS Gibbs / Barry / Hegazi had NEVER won a game in the league for us! We were in the direst of shape before Pards came.
The Pulis apologists can try to re-write the facts but be under no illusions Pulis put us back 2.5 years to where we were under Irvine, AP deserves credit for what he's done already.
Paul Lambert took over a team with I believe the worst goal differential in the league so I think he took over a worst situation.And Roy took over a much worse situation at Palace.
Generally I think some people here think this team will struggle in League 1 with how much criticism they get.
And Roy took over a much worse situation at Palace.
not forgetting what turgid football hes had to turn like a barge, hes doing well for me and i hope he stays next season even if we go down
Would you keep him if we stayed up.
I wouldn't.
not forgetting what turgid football hes had to turn like a barge, hes doing well for me and i hope he stays next season even if we go downme too, he's the right guy to get us straight back up
I don't think it can be stated enough the task he had in changing the mentality of the entire team. The culture of negativity around the place, I have heard anecdotally, was rife under Pulis. Granted, we haven't gone on a blistering run but I under Pardew, or perhaps it's more in the absence of Pulis, there is a renewed sense of pride in the team. Hopefully the statistics at the end of the season bear this out.
First things first, Brighton was one of the biggest games of the season for us and that certainly 'mattered'.
Secondly, He can only make do with the tools he's been given; he's been given a very flawed squad (Assembled by a very flawed manager with a very flawed philosophy) that were quite literally incapable of attacking and not much better at defending. He's completely rejuvenated the club in terms of style of play, confidence and fan support with a couple of unlucky results costing us a few precious points.
Due to his predecessor's signings, he had almost no room to manoeuvre whatsoever in the transfer market whatsoever in terms of money. Yet due to being attracted to our style of play, we've managed to attract one of the best strikers in the league which is an unbelievable achievement for a club in 20th place, again, I don't believe any other of the managers available could have achieved this.
Yes, we haven't fully turned it around yet. However as I said before, the lifeline Pardew's given us is invaluable, and it wasn't an easy task.
Do you not think David Moyes, Carlos Carvalhal and Paul Lambert had to deal with the same obstacles? Squads lacking confidence yet they all have had better starts than Pardew. Why can't that be on him?He was left with a squad who hadn't won for months and had no confidence, instead of moaning let's get behind him and give him our support, why have you still got that stupid mug shot of our former excuse for a manager?
He was left with a squad who hadn't won for months and had no confidence, instead of moaning let's get behind him and give him our support, why have you still got that stupid mug shot of our former excuse for a manager?
First things first, Brighton was one of the biggest games of the season for us and that certainly 'mattered'.Don't forget that Pulis gets a "Get out of jail free" card from Jacko in every respect, so using logic is futile. Even when Pulis had only won 2 games in 20, Jacko never once called for him to be sacked.
Don't forget that Pulis gets a "Get out of jail free" card from Jacko in every respect, so using logic is futile. Even when Pulis had only won 2 games in 20, Jacko never once called for him to be sacked.
Apart from the Man City game, I've been happy with AP's approach and I remain confident that we'll win enough games to stay up. We're at a stage of the season where we all need to be pulling together for the rest of the campaign, not trying to mischievously de-stabilise things.
I'm a little bit suspicious of the "new manager bounce".
Firstly the coach is not the only variable in play it is the only one that clubs can change mid season which is why clubs change coaches.
Secondly the quality of the team largely determines the outcomes and most Premier league teams e.g. the bottom 14 have a reasonable expectation of running between 0.9 and 1.5 points a game. The fact that the bottom of league is so tight suggests there isn't a lot to choose between the quality of the squads. Managers only get sacked when they are running at the bottom end of the range so therefore the only way is up they seldom can be worse.
Thirdly the quicker the impact the less likely it has anything to do with manager. There is a limit to what a coach can do in the limited time available. Coaching takes time tactical changes need time to bed in yet improvement is instant. If a fix is that quick and that simple the previous coach would have found it.
I honestly didn't believe that swapping Pulis for Pardew was going to lead to a transformation in results. I did not want Pulis out because of results I just wanted him gone because his football was unwatchable. There are very few coaches that make a long term difference to results which is why the carousel of the usual suspects keeps turning they ride the upswing and get fired on the downswing, but most of the outcomes are just random variance.
I'm a little bit suspicious of the "new manager bounce".
Firstly the coach is not the only variable in play it is the only one that clubs can change mid season which is why clubs change coaches.
Secondly the quality of the team largely determines the outcomes and most Premier league teams e.g. the bottom 14 have a reasonable expectation of running between 0.9 and 1.5 points a game. The fact that the bottom of league is so tight suggests there isn't a lot to choose between the quality of the squads. Managers only get sacked when they are running at the bottom end of the range so therefore the only way is up they seldom can be worse.
Thirdly the quicker the impact the less likely it has anything to do with manager. There is a limit to what a coach can do in the limited time available. Coaching takes time tactical changes need time to bed in yet improvement is instant. If a fix is that quick and that simple the previous coach would have found it.
I honestly didn't believe that swapping Pulis for Pardew was going to lead to a transformation in results. I did not want Pulis out because of results I just wanted him gone because his football was unwatchable. There are very few coaches that make a long term difference to results which is why the carousel of the usual suspects keeps turning they ride the upswing and get fired on the downswing, but most of the outcomes are just random variance.
I've supported Pulis all the way through his tenure and think he'd have got us to safety. I have to admit, the football was turgid and frustrating to watch but Pulis does get results. The fact that his record over the last year deteriorated significantly ultimately meant that he needed to go and I have been very impressed with how Pardew has turned us around. We've had some difficult games but our performances have been good. I think we made the right decision appointing him. I've been impressed with his tactics and mentality and there is no way Sturridge would have come with Pulis as manager.
Well?
I'll leave further comment until I get back to the car.
Got the team selection completely wrong today.
Given the injuries who should he have played?
Given the injuries who should he have played?I would of started with jrod and field
Well?
I'll leave further comment until I get back to the car.
Well?Probably the wrong appointment, but he's the tip of the iceberg.
I'll leave further comment until I get back to the car.
Well?You chose exactly the same team as Alan Pardew today with the injuries.
I'll leave further comment until I get back to the car.
You chose exactly the same team as Alan Pardew today with the injuries.
Bottled it today.
You chose exactly the same team as Alan Pardew today with the injuries.
So what she he have done? Seriously - what should he have done?
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We looked woeful today, players looked like they could just turn up today and win. Hangover from last weekend?
Today's result firmly at the feet of the manager for not getting them prepared.
So what she he have done? Seriously - what should he have done?Start with JRod for starters. Make a change at half time also.
It's not just this game in isolation, it's failing to beat Palace/Swansea/Stoke/West Ham which has contributed to West Brom needing to win this game.
Start with JRod for starters. Make a change at half time also.
Start with JRod for starters. Make a change at half time also.
There is little quality in this team. The midfield is aging and is mostly defensive, the attack is woefully lacking and the defence is pretty much the only reason we have managed to gain as many points as we have this season.
AP cannot make miracles out of a team that would struggle in the championship. A clear out is whats needed and chances are it'll happen if/when we go down.
Pulis has put us in a massive hole and it would take a miracle worker to turn around that form in the time that some on here think it should happen. Pardew is no miracle worker but is he the man to save us? I guess we will find out come May. What needs to be remembered, not withstanding Megson's cameo, we had won twice in twenty league matches losing thirteen and that was with a squad assembled by the man in charge. Lots of games left, lots of points left to win or lose, going to be a roller coaster.No mate, more like a submarine slipping steadily and quietly beneath the waves !!
Gary Megson has been our best manager this season.He was doing ok? Why waste money.
Always was and will continue to be a terrible appointment. 6 wins from 36 before joining us, 1 win from 12 since joining us, talks a good story but doesn't deliver, no record of bringing through young players or indeed improving existing players, and a poor motivator.
But hey ho, he has us playing a more attractive style of football, and his press conferences are good, so who cares if his record this season is worse than that which got Pulis sacked, who cares if we get relegated. It's all the fault of the rubbish players and the last manager. In Pardew we trust. Even if we do go down, let's stick with him, he's the man to bring us back up. Anyone still got this deluded opinion?
He would of been crucified if he did that, more so then he is now. I think our only hope is to get an Inform Sturridge going, the sooner the better he gets match sharpness.
I don't understand why he took off Sturridge today?
He was the best finisher on the pitch and we need a goal, so why take him off?
Gary Megson has been our best manager this season.You're onto something here!
Always was and will continue to be a terrible appointment. 6 wins from 36 before joining us, 1 win from 12 since joining us, talks a good story but doesn't deliver, no record of bringing through young players or indeed improving existing players, and a poor motivator.It may transpire to be a terrible appointment ,however if you cannot see pardew's predecessor being responsible for our demise , then you are as deluded as the one's thinking pardew was a good appointment
But hey ho, he has us playing a more attractive style of football, and his press conferences are good, so who cares if his record this season is worse than that which got Pulis sacked, who cares if we get relegated. It's all the fault of the rubbish players and the last manager. In Pardew we trust. Even if we do go down, let's stick with him, he's the man to bring us back up. Anyone still got this deluded opinion?
Anybody think Pardew’s job could be at risk? Another change?His record has been pathetic since he came into club one win in twelve prem attempts is relagation form and the only reason crowd are not calling for his head is because of dross that twonk Pulis produced. Agree with comments about Williams and Hammond and the cock handed way they have ran this club, but its`s been coming for year`s no ambition catches up with you in the end Pardew out.
It may transpire to be a terrible appointment ,however if you cannot see pardew's predecessor being responsible for our demise , then you are as deluded as the one's thinking pardew was a good appointment
Pulis has to have some of the stick put his way as do the club for sticking with him for such a rubbish run. Would Pulis of kept us up or would he have won more points than Pardew - I think so, but some of the football was dire.sky can have him back again because he`s cluless on the side line.
Regarding Pardew, I want him to get more out of this squad, but I don't think he's good enough in a scrap. His tactics have been poor and I don't see much motivation. He talks a good game but that's about it. There's no way he will stick around if we go down, but that will be better for us, I don't think he's half as good as he thinks he is.
It may transpire to be a terrible appointment ,however if you cannot see pardew's predecessor being responsible for our demise , then you are as deluded as the one's thinking pardew was a good appointmentPulis' football was poor to watch, and his results had gone down the drain, so I was in agreement with his sacking, but to choose Pardew as the man to turn things around was pure stupidity in my opinion. We have some very good footballers in our squad, who needed organised, motivated and coached, backed up with some good tactics. Pardew is a failure in all three areas.
He needs to go. I said it weeks ago. The lad at brentford for me. Let him build an exciting championship team playing good footballwe would have to pay compo for him, which the muppets in charge wont do.
The bottom line is at any level the record we have of 3 wins in 30 odd is indicative of a team that is playing in the wrong league, the players aren't good enough despite what most of us would like to believe and it's probable that the coach isn't good enough either. We have an owner who doesn't establish any intensity from the top , williams experienced yes but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see him walk at the end of the season and Hammond who has been up and down like a yo yo with reading . Hardly a recipe for long term success .clear out of club in summer Williams, Hammond and his pal Pardew moved on, Lai should cut his lossess and sell as he doesnt look intrested in club.
clear out of club in summer Williams, Hammond and his pal Pardew moved on, Lai should cut his lossess and sell as he doesnt look intrested in club.
Whatever happens, I have warmed to Pardew since his appointment. I know his results don't justify great faith but think he's bought into the club, has charisma and will, ultimately, get us playing a decent style of football.
Yes, we will face a massive rebuild going down but he has won promotion from the Championship with West Ham. I'd like to see him given that chance if needs be.
I'd hope we'd keep Foster, Hegazhi and Dawson, Brunt, Burke, Phillips, Rodriguez plus, for the Championship, Barry, Livermore, HRK, then blood a few youngsters and add some expereienced players, as Villa have done, like Snodgrass, Hourihane, to get us up.
I'll be honest, I want us to stay up but part of me is very bored anyway. If we end up facing a challenge of trying to get back up then so be it.
I said to my wife before the game, "he has set up to defend as did Pulis".
Terrible selection.
God knows what he was thinking on the Barry / Yacob partnership yesterday. Said it as soon as I saw the teamsheet there's no pace in the centre of midfield and we'l get over-run. If I can see this as a casual fan why can't the coaching staff who get paid thousands of pounds per week see it?
The fear of dropping out the Premier League.
Managers won’t play kids irrelevant of who is unavailable and will pick experience over kids every day of the week.
Said are HT that Yacob should cover Barry’s job, Field should cover Greg.
Irrelevant of experience, you should NEVER distrupt your team’s system and yesterday we had nobody in the middle prepared to try and carry the ball forward or pass forward.
I said to my wife before the game, "he has set up to defend as did Pulis".
Terrible selection.
Still don't think that Pardew had alot of choice with team selection yesterday. Krychiowiak dropping out left us with a massive lack in moving the ball forward from centre midfield. Of course Yacob is not the guy to play that role, but the only other options were Field or Livermore. All 3 prefer to push the ball sideways or backwards. Those calling for Field, would probably have been calling for Yacob when that didn't work out. Barry has a great long pass, but he's not someone to carry the ball forward which is often the more dangerous option. Under Pulis, the midfield were usually by-passed, but now the lack of a good balance there, or more options there, are hurting us. The only criticism of the selection I would have is that JayRod should have started instead of Rondon, but then Pardew is closer to the players and knows who is feeling sharpest.
Still don't think that Pardew had alot of choice with team selection yesterday. Krychiowiak dropping out left us with a massive lack in moving the ball forward from centre midfield. Of course Yacob is not the guy to play that role, but the only other options were Field or Livermore. All 3 prefer to push the ball sideways or backwards. Those calling for Field, would probably have been calling for Yacob when that didn't work out. Barry has a great long pass, but he's not someone to carry the ball forward which is often the more dangerous option. Under Pulis, the midfield were usually by-passed, but now the lack of a good balance there, or more options there, are hurting us. The only criticism of the selection I would have is that JayRod should have started instead of Rondon, but then Pardew is closer to the players and knows who is feeling sharpest.
Still don't think that Pardew had alot of choice with team selection yesterday. Krychiowiak dropping out left us with a massive lack in moving the ball forward from centre midfield. Of course Yacob is not the guy to play that role, but the only other options were Field or Livermore. All 3 prefer to push the ball sideways or backwards. Those calling for Field, would probably have been calling for Yacob when that didn't work out. Barry has a great long pass, but he's not someone to carry the ball forward which is often the more dangerous option. Under Pulis, the midfield were usually by-passed, but now the lack of a good balance there, or more options there, are hurting us. The only criticism of the selection I would have is that JayRod should have started instead of Rondon, but then Pardew is closer to the players and knows who is feeling sharpest.the player`s went back to type yesterday after we scored midfield was by passed and hoof ball ensued. Southampton absolutley dominate that football match and thats an worrying for rest of season.
the player`s went back to type yesterday after we scored midfield was by passed and hoof ball ensued. Southampton absolutley dominate that football match and thats an worrying for rest of season.
You can almost understand why given the lack of creative players in the middle. And Barry was on a yellow and had to be extra careful .
And which manager are you suggesting would have got the results?
And which manager are you suggesting would have got the results?
It’s easy for us to throw a bit of criticism Pardews way and little bits of it I agree with.Pulis was a neanderthal and, whilst I despise everything he stands for, Pardew has to now shoulder some responsibility.
But you have to remember what he’s having to change at short notice here.
That tracksuit-wearing Neanderthal sucked every bit of ambition and creativity out of this squad and it’s very difficult to rid the club of those remnants in such a sport space of time and limited funds in January.
If we go down, I hope we go down all guns blazing.
The decisions that were made in the last 4 or 5 years is what got us here but we can’t change them now, we can reflect on those in the summer whether we’re in the PL or the Championship.
The problem is "we can't score goals".
Pulis couldn't solve that, hopefully Pardew has with the signing of Sturridge.
Only Huddersfield & Swansea have scored less goals than us, Only 10 clubs (50% of the league) have conceded less & Liverpool in 3rd place, have only conceded 6 less than us.
So we have a striker who starts scoring goals (J-Rod) and Pardew leaves him on the bench. >:(
He's really annoyed me this weekend Pardew has as you can probably tell from my posts.
1 Keep ignoring Sam Field and instead playing Yacob alongside Barry giving us the least mobile midfield pairing in the Premier League. When he does play Sam he plays him out of position.
2 Dropping an in form striker.
3 Not reacting and changing anything when Southampton were all over us first half.
4 Not making substitutions till we conceded the third goal. TOO BLOODY LATE THEN!
5 Because of his substitutions playing Brunt on the right side of a midfield two.
6 Putting on McClean at left back.
There's probably something else as well that I've temporarily forgotten.
I've not really criticised Pardew before but Saturday he screwed up big time and we can't afford that again. Things are difficult enough as it is.
My post was in response to people who want to "toss the lot out & start again". It's not difficult to analyse where the problems are. & we have to be careful we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Pardew didn't drop JR, he rested him to give Sturridge a chance, reading some of the pre-match comments from Pardew, JR was always going to come on at some stage to replace Sturridge.
I would have taken Rondon off, but he went on to score so what do I know.
I've no idea why Pardew started with CY as a pairing with GB, I'm not sure he had too many options.
I think I would have replaced Nyom with McClean, it was a last throw of the dice option to turn the game around.
As far as Sam Field is concerned, the coaches see the players every day & they're paid a lot of money to make judgements, I'm not experienced enough to question their judgement.
No offence but that is splitting hairs. Dropping him / resting him - play on words.
The second point. Pardew sees McClean and Robson - Kanu everyday but we can all see they are not good enough.
My post was in response to people who want to "toss the lot out & start again". It's not difficult to analyse where the problems are. & we have to be careful we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Pardew didn't drop JR, he rested him to give Sturridge a chance, reading some of the pre-match comments from Pardew, JR was always going to come on at some stage to replace Sturridge.
I would have taken Rondon off, but he went on to score so what do I know.
I've no idea why Pardew started with CY as a pairing with GB, I'm not sure he had too many options.
I think I would have replaced Nyom with McClean, it was a last throw of the dice option to turn the game around.
As far as Sam Field is concerned, the coaches see the players every day & they're paid a lot of money to make judgements, I'm not experienced enough to question their judgement.
I never understand why managers are leaving people on the bench with the intent of bringing them on with 20 / 25 minutes to go. For crying out loud we are West Brom and it's J Rod we're talking about - not Roy of the Rovers who always came on to score the dramatic winner or some other wondrous feat.
If the intention is to give a player 25 minutes why not give it to him at the start? At least the score is level at that stage and he's not expected to work wonders. He might actually score in that time and then continue for longer.
I'm starting to think Pardew has lost the plot o9r never had it in the first place. Just seen his press conference report on the local media and I have to say it's not convincing - just like the performances served up.
He's talking of some players being fit for the Chelsea game. What bl**dy difference will that make.
Still can't believe that some folk on here hold out hope.
We'll probably implode in the cup as well. It's not like Saints will think they can't win is it?
If I was a fan of the other clubs in relegation worry I would suggest that one place is already spoken for so that easies some worry and chances of a cup run will probably go out like a damp squib.
Still, I hope the board are happy with their man. They deserve each other.
Have you notice what every other mid season hire bar Gracia has done so far? They have all done better than Pardew with a similar or worse squad. (Big Sam probably has done as bad as a job than Pardew though)Including Gracia :(
Have you notice what every other mid season hire bar Gracia has done so far? They have all done better than Pardew with a similar or worse squad. (Big Sam probably has done as bad as a job than Pardew though)Not so sure, a week ago most of our fan base was buzzing, even many after the defeats are saying that their love for the Albion is coming back..
With 1 win in 12 I'm pretty sure any manager we'd have taken wouldn't have done any worse.So answering the question should be relatively easy then?
I never understand why managers are leaving people on the bench with the intent of bringing them on with 20 / 25 minutes to go. For crying out loud we are West Brom and it's J Rod we're talking about - not Roy of the Rovers who always came on to score the dramatic winner or some other wondrous feat.I think this is pretty easy to understand
If the intention is to give a player 25 minutes why not give it to him at the start? At least the score is level at that stage and he's not expected to work wonders. He might actually score in that time and then continue for longer.
I'm starting to think Pardew has lost the plot o9r never had it in the first place. Just seen his press conference report on the local media and I have to say it's not convincing - just like the performances served up.
He's talking of some players being fit for the Chelsea game. What bl**dy difference will that make.
Still can't believe that some folk on here hold out hope.
We'll probably implode in the cup as well. It's not like Saints will think they can't win is it?
If I was a fan of the other clubs in relegation worry I would suggest that one place is already spoken for so that easies some worry and chances of a cup run will probably go out like a damp squib.
Still, I hope the board are happy with their man. They deserve each other.
I think this is pretty easy to understand
We need to get Sturridge up to full match fitness, we are also aware that he can be fragile..
So you start the one that is most dynamic,has more technical ability , knowing if he breaks down we can bring on a striker raring to go and in form
Imagine he starts Rondon and j rod
Fans not happy , they want the new signing, eventually new signing comes on, he breaks down...oh the meltdown
I would have done exactly what Pardew did on Saturday but Livermore in for Yacob, McLean on once Barry got the yellow
But hindsight
Not so sure, a week ago most of our fan base was buzzing, even many after the defeats are saying that their love for the Albion is coming back..It's completely hypothetical who we could have got and how well they would have done, so not really worth discussing, but the answer certainly wasn't Alan Pardew.
I'll await an answer on who we could realistically have got that would have been able to influence an obviously better period than Pardew..
Not so sure, a week ago most of our fan base was buzzing, even many after the defeats are saying that their love for the Albion is coming back..
I'll await an answer on who we could realistically have got that would have been able to influence an obviously better period than Pardew..
I don't know who will be realistic given what the board will spend but I would think Bilic, Koeman, Carlos Carvalhal or even Megson might have snuck in another win.We could have done worse than stick with Sir Gary. In fact I think we have done so.
He's tried to change too much too fast and i think that will be what takes us down, along with the dreadful injuries we have suffered.
Say what you want about tony but at least he protected his players. pards rushed chadil back and its cost us big time.
I might be wrong as per but has Chadders played under Pards, i dont think he has
Can anyone really see Chadli rushing back to help out the survival effort? I think he'll keep his head in the trench and use his get out of jail free card in the summer.
I might be wrong as per but has Chadders played under Pards, not sure he has
We could have done worse than stick with Sir Gary. In fact I think we have done so.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing......
I still wouldn't have wanted Sir Gary to stay on, even with hindsight :-X
I still wouldn't have wanted Sir Gary to stay on, even with hindsight :-XI would over Alan Pardew
me either, didn't we manage to scrape two draws from the jaws of victory under him?I would not call a draw away to Spurs a draw from the jaws of victory, particularly after a 0-4 at home to Chelsea.
Hey ww, where do you get your 95% from?You misread ww, he said 95% would have NOT wanted SGM, but he was very wrong in saying that such a high percentage would be against him. Very many of us have not forgotten what he did for this club previously. Some people on here remember that he fell out with Superbob and Richard Sneekes more than the good times. These things happen
I don't want him back thanks.
He's old fashioned thinking in my opinion and he's not been in management for years,too much like Pulis for me.
been a failure at club so far one win in twelve should get any coach the sack. looks like he struggling to pick the best team and formation regardless of injuries?
If all the quitters on this forum are anything to go by, we might as well give up now and plan for next season in the Championship. Just when the players/staff needs backing the most, you're sticking the knife in. You'll probably achieve the self-fulfilling prophecy that some of you seem to want going by your comments that are revelling in our current misery.While I agree about the usual suspects on here I actually think the fans have been good , healthy crowds home and away with Watford being almost sold out despite us possibly being cut off by then .
As far as Pardew is concerned, although the 1 win in 12 league games isn't good enough, how many of those games have we actually looked a bad side in? I would say 3 of them - Swansea, Man City and Southampton. Some might say Stoke too, but we really didn't deserve to lose that game. On that basis, if the players can keep their heads and not panic, things might not yet be as bad as they look.
The problem is that fans' negativity does easily transmit to players, which brings me back to my first point.....
If all the quitters on this forum are anything to go by, we might as well give up now and plan for next season in the Championship. Just when the players/staff needs backing the most, you're sticking the knife in. You'll probably achieve the self-fulfilling prophecy that some of you seem to want going by your comments that are revelling in our current misery.
As far as Pardew is concerned, although the 1 win in 12 league games isn't good enough, how many of those games have we actually looked a bad side in? I would say 3 of them - Swansea, Man City and Southampton. Some might say Stoke too, but we really didn't deserve to lose that game. On that basis, if the players can keep their heads and not panic, things might not yet be as bad as they look.
The problem is that fans' negativity does easily transmit to players, which brings me back to my first point.....
Its a little harsh to blame users of a forum site who give their viewpoint for the demise of the club and the situation we currently find ourselves in.
In all fairness we are like a rudderless ship sailing in stormy seas towards the rocks. Fans are entitled to their opinion and that is what a forum is about.
I agree that there are those (and possible I may be viewed as one) that are resigned to our potential fate. That doesn't mean that we support the team any less and that we won't be there urging them on or that we don't care. I think in some ways it's just the opposite - we do care probably too much and out of sheer frustration we vent our feelings. There are times when I could grab some of the people I believe have got us in this situation by the lapels and give them a good talking to.
Rant over !!!!
......There are times when I could grab some of the people I believe have got us in this situation by the lapels and give them a good talking to....
If all the quitters on this forum are anything to go by, we might as well give up now and plan for next season in the Championship. Just when the players/staff needs backing the most, you're sticking the knife in. You'll probably achieve the self-fulfilling prophecy that some of you seem to want going by your comments that are revelling in our current misery.
As far as Pardew is concerned, although the 1 win in 12 league games isn't good enough, how many of those games have we actually looked a bad side in? I would say 3 of them - Swansea, Man City and Southampton. Some might say Stoke too, but we really didn't deserve to lose that game. On that basis, if the players can keep their heads and not panic, things might not yet be as bad as they look.
The problem is that fans' negativity does easily transmit to players, which brings me back to my first point.....
I don't say give up, but lets have a touch of realism here, look at the statistics.
Have a look how many points we have won in the last 26 and have a look at how many we have to win the last 12! You don't have to be a member of MENSA to realise we have to have a complete turnaround of fortunes to stay up.
It isn't negativity its realism that's setting in.
How negative were the fans last Saturday against Southampton?
If the negativity transmits to the players surely the positive mood of the fans should also get over to them. Or doesn't it work like that.
Nobody on these boards wants the team relegated, but some fans don't walk around with blue and white specs on either.
I think Pardew has to be given the benefit of the doubt at the moment. He came into a club and had to transformed the way the team played. As soon as he arrived he had injuries to major players to contend with the likes of Brunt, Dawson, Phillips. It then took him a while to decide on his best eleven.From the Everton home game onwards we've looked a decent side. We got a great win at Liverpool in the cup then guess what injuries came again. Evans, Gibbs, Krychowiak. He's had no luck at all and to be fair neither have we all season anytime we've needed a break we haven't got it.
I do blame the gaffer for Saturday's loss. I understand that no manager is going to do everything I want him to do but the Yacob / Barry partnership was plain stupid. That and the lack of reaction to the flow of the game really wasn't good enough.
That is one game though. So, so far he has my sympathies but now he and the team need to deliver.
This is the main issue, in the short term (The 24 games he had this season) the only thing that needed changing was the results. The aesthetics are simply fan service and egotism. A terrible appointment.Your opinion, he inherited a squad who had got into a losing mentality and unfortunately they can't get out of it, not Pardew's fault! It doesn't matter who took over anyone would have struggled to get this squad playing after what they had drummed into them by the previous incumbent!
Your opinion, he inherited a squad who had got into a losing mentality and unfortunately they can't get out of it, not Pardew's fault! It doesn't matter who took over anyone would have struggled to get this squad playing after what they had drummed into them by the previous incumbent!
Your opinion, he inherited a squad who had got into a losing mentality and unfortunately they can't get out of it, not Pardew's fault! It doesn't matter who took over anyone would have struggled to get this squad playing after what they had drummed into them by the previous incumbent!I'm in agreement with Jacko on this one. It might not have been Pardew's fault that the mentality of the squad was a losing one (if true), but it is certainly his fault that he has been unable to turn it around. He is very well paid to coach, improve, and motivate the players we have, and he has failed and shows no sign whatsoever of being able to turn it around. Very poor appointment.
Only those who don't want to see have seen no signs of improvement.
Similar could be said of people claiming improvement when we're actually far worse off?
It was clearly enough for a lot of people that he isn't Pulis. Hopefully we don't ride that wave into the Championship and he starts to get things right.
We've been terrible at times under Pardew and it's not just in 3 games - his defence is horrendous so you can't just brush it aside and claim we've played ok if he can't defend the basics like set-plays and counter attacks.Prior to the Man City and Southampton games, we'd conceded 10 goals in 10 league games under Pardew, compared to 18 goals in 12 games prior to Pulis's sacking, but you're claiming the defence has been worse under Pardew? Whilst we still haven't scored enough goals, no-one can reasonably deny that we've become much more attack-minded and are having more shots on goal. It's more the lack of goals we've scored, rather than the defending, that's put us where we are.
People murdered Pulis when his team couldn't attack, but positive coaches get away with more if it's the other way round. It's not good football at all if you are ok from open play but then concede easily with a bit of pressure.
I hope he does turn it around and his football is nice to watch at times, but so far the fans have backed the team - it's him and the players who the blame lies upon.
How are we possibly far worse off?
Pulis: turned fans, poor football, poor results and apparently lost the players
Pardew: more positive attitude from fans home and away games (from what I've witnessed), bearable football, poor results but the players seem like they want to try and play.
The problem is, fans that would defend pulis to the end of the earth will never accept pardew, it's as simple as that.
As much to do with others improving as well. It was only a matter of time under the previous manager before we ended up in a similar position. There was no sign of an improvement or revival of either results or performances under Pulis so the slide down the table would have been the same inevietably
None of your post matters after the first line which I will answer. We're bottom of the Premier League 4 points adrift of safety running at 0.76 points per game. When he came in we weren't.
How are we possibly far worse off?That isn't true. I for one, and there are plenty of other examples on here of others, was in favour of sacking Pulis and I certainly wouldn't defend him to the ends of the earth. I appreciate that he managed to stabilise the club in the Premier League, and build on what he had inherited, but I think his time was done. All managers have a shelf life and his was reached. To try to suggest that everyone who believes that Pardew was a terrible appointment was by default a Pulis lover is just plain wrong. To some people, they were so blinded by their dislike of Pulis, that they would have been happy with my aunt Mabel as our new manager. The only box that Pardew ticked was his liking for playing more attacking football (which, by the way, would have been true for about 95% of all possible appointments), In every other respect, it was clear to see that he would be an awful appointment, and that's not just with the benefit of hindsight - there were quite a few of us who said it before and immediately after he was given the job.
Pulis: turned fans, poor football, poor results and apparently lost the players
Pardew: more positive attitude from fans home and away games (from what I've witnessed), bearable football, poor results but the players seem like they want to try and play.
The problem is, fans that would defend pulis to the end of the earth will never accept pardew, it's as simple as that.
None of your post matters after the first line which I will answer. We're bottom of the Premier League 4 points adrift of safety running at 0.76 points per game. When he came in we weren't.
That isn't true. I for one, and there are plenty of other examples on here of others, was in favour of sacking Pulis and I certainly wouldn't defend him to the ends of the earth. I appreciate that he managed to stabilise the club in the Premier League, and build on what he had inherited, but I think his time was done. All managers have a shelf life and his was reached. To try to suggest that everyone who believes that Pardew was a terrible appointment was by default a Pulis lover is just plain wrong. To some people, they were so blinded by their dislike of Pulis, that they would have been happy with my aunt Mabel as our new manager. The only box that Pardew ticked was his liking for playing more attacking football (which, by the way, would have been true for about 95% of all possible appointments), In every other respect, it was clear to see that he would be an awful appointment, and that's not just with the benefit of hindsight - there were quite a few of us who said it before and immediately after he was given the job.
That isn't true. I for one, and there are plenty of other examples on here of others, was in favour of sacking Pulis and I certainly wouldn't defend him to the ends of the earth. I appreciate that he managed to stabilise the club in the Premier League, and build on what he had inherited, but I think his time was done. All managers have a shelf life and his was reached. To try to suggest that everyone who believes that Pardew was a terrible appointment was by default a Pulis lover is just plain wrong. To some people, they were so blinded by their dislike of Pulis, that they would have been happy with my aunt Mabel as our new manager. The only box that Pardew ticked was his liking for playing more attacking football (which, by the way, would have been true for about 95% of all possible appointments), In every other respect, it was clear to see that he would be an awful appointment, and that's not just with the benefit of hindsight - there were quite a few of us who said it before and immediately after he was given the job.The other box Pardew ticked was usually getting a pretty instant reaction and improvement in results when he moved to a new job....and not just the first 4 or 5 games....which is what we needed. It clearly hasn't happened. It may be an excuse but the absence of Phillips and Brunt at first and Chadli and Morrison throughout, didn't give him that much to work with when he was looking for that instant impact.
The other box Pardew ticked was usually getting a pretty instant reaction and improvement in results when he moved to a new job....and not just the first 4 or 5 games....which is what we needed. It clearly hasn't happened. It may be an excuse but the absence of Phillips and Brunt at first and Chadli and Morrison throughout, didn't give him that much to work with when he was looking for that instant impact.
To get results with the players available when he came in would have meant keep it tight at the back and hope to score from set pieces.....familiar ground which wasn't working. Vanity project ? That's obviously your perception probably based on not liking the bloke (I'm not a super fan either).
So you play in a manner that gets results with the players available. It started off as a vanity project for him and god help him if results don't turn around as the injuries everyone is hanging their hat on clear up.
The potential to get ahead of them by being a little bit smarter developing players and ignoring the old school dinosaurs is huge but hiring Pardew was the end of that.
It is what it is we won't improve significantly but at least the football is not quite so insipid.
Sorry, but I don't get this judging of Alan Pardew about 14/15 games into his tenure. The guy needs to be given more time, at least until Xmas 2018, regardless of whether we get relegated or not.I think it's perfectly fair to judge him, especially on a forum, but we do have to consider the mitigating circumstances:
The fact remains the quality of the squad was pretty awful going into the 2017/18 season. The reason why Pulis has kept us up, is diligence with set pieces at both ends of the pitch. It was pitiful to watch in terms of passing and playing the ball through midfield. Pulis had tore up our DNA as a club that play passing football and it was hard to stomach.
All Albion fans must agree the squad is in a better place now than 6 months ago? We've acquired Sturridge and kept Evans. Gregorz performances are growing, Rodriguez looks like a different player, Hegazi has held onto his form etc.
Now is not the time to get on the Manager's back. That negativity will do nothing to help the situation.
So you play in a manner that gets results with the players available. It started off as a vanity project for him and god help him if results don't turn around as the injuries everyone is hanging their hat on clear up.
Sorry, but I don't get this judging of Alan Pardew about 14/15 games into his tenure. The guy needs to be given more time, at least until Xmas 2018, regardless of whether we get relegated or not.Pardew isn't being judged on 14 games. Look back at his recent career and you will understand why I didn't want him here in the first place, 3 league wins in the whole of 2016 for Palace before he was sacked was a very, very poor record and suggested to me that he struggled to turn things around when one of his teams were struggling for results. The exact same thing had happened when he managed Newcastle. At the time, WE were struggling for results. So it didn't seem very sensible to appoint a guy who had a track record of not being able to turn teams around when they were struggling for results. What did we do? Appoint him anyway. And what has happened? He has proved unable to turn round our results. It is no surprise and it isn't difficult to understand.
The fact remains the quality of the squad was pretty awful going into the 2017/18 season. The reason why Pulis has kept us up, is diligence with set pieces at both ends of the pitch. It was pitiful to watch in terms of passing and playing the ball through midfield. Pulis had tore up our DNA as a club that play passing football and it was hard to stomach.
All Albion fans must agree the squad is in a better place now than 6 months ago? We've acquired Sturridge and kept Evans. Gregorz performances are growing, Rodriguez looks like a different player, Hegazi has held onto his form etc.
Now is not the time to get on the Manager's back. That negativity will do nothing to help the situation.
Not my choice, but welcome to the club Alan. Here's wishing you a great deal of success with us and a brand of football that entertains me as well as getting us the requisite points.
Pardew isn't being judged on 14 games. Look back at his recent career and you will understand why I didn't want him here in the first place, 3 league wins in the whole of 2016 for Palace before he was sacked was a very, very poor record and suggested to me that he struggled to turn things around when one of his teams were struggling for results. The exact same thing had happened when he managed Newcastle. At the time, WE were struggling for results. So it didn't seem very sensible to appoint a guy who had a track record of not being able to turn teams around when they were struggling for results. What did we do? Appoint him anyway. And what has happened? He has proved unable to turn round our results. It is no surprise and it isn't difficult to understand.
Carvahal was pretty woeful at Sheff Wed and now he's kicked on with Swansea (1 division higher).
Sorry, but I'm not having that. He was far from woeful at Wednesday; he took over a side that hadn't been in the promotion shake-up for a while, and got them into the play-offs twice in a row. No matter which club, if you don't have the parachute payments, that's a good job.
Whatever. It was a still shock to see him rock up at Swansea days after Sheff Wed fans were calling for his head..... An appointment nobody expected.I tried to explain the bigger picture a few posts back - his failure to turn things around at Palace and Newcastle when they went on a poor run - but you chose to ignore this.
Rather than picking at tiny holes of someone's argument, it's more beneficial to look at the bigger picture of Pardew's performance in the WBA job and stating your own opinion.......
I've got no issue with people saying they don't rate Pardew as a Manager FULL STOP, just think we need to be fair-minded and give the guy enough time before making judgement about him at WBA ONLY. There's a difference I think.
I tried to explain the bigger picture a few posts back - his failure to turn things around at Palace and Newcastle when they went on a poor run - but you chose to ignore this.
However, if you insist on concentrating on his time at WBA ONLY, ok I will. One win in 14 league matches so far. How long do you want me to give him?
Til the end of the season, the he would have been on the same bad run as the last God we had in charge.
Like it or not, he's here.... It's about time the fans got behind what he have and supported the club as a whole, atleast til it's mathematically impossible for us to stay up.
I tried to explain the bigger picture a few posts back - his failure to turn things around at Palace and Newcastle when they went on a poor run - but you chose to ignore this.
However, if you insist on concentrating on his time at WBA ONLY, ok I will. One win in 14 league matches so far. How long do you want me to give him?
Til the end of the season, the he would have been on the same bad run as the last God we had in charge.So because I think AP is a poor manager I have to keep my opinion to myself until we are relegated. Is that what you are saying?
Like it or not, he's here.... It's about time the fans got behind what he have and supported the club as a whole, atleast til it's mathematically impossible for us to stay up.
You got a crystal ball? How do you know we're getting relegated for sure? Just because it went Pete Tong at CP/NU it doesn't mean it'll occur this time.Where did I ever say we would be relegated for sure? Stop making things up.
I like how you conveniently blocked out the Exeter & Liverpool wins to boost your argument!
So you think AP's goose is cooked at WBA then after <0.5 of a season. What action are you going to take? Chant for his head OR miss games?
Can I ask who you would've appointed instead?
Where did I ever say we would be relegated for sure? Stop making things up.
I am talking about league form. Cup matches are always one offs.
Yes, personally I think his goose is cooked, if by that you mean do I think he will turn things around and ultimately prove a success.
I'll turn the question around. Do you think he was the best that we could have appointed?
Pardew isn't being judged on 14 games. Look back at his recent career and you will understand why I didn't want him here in the first place, 3 league wins in the whole of 2016 for Palace before he was sacked was a very, very poor record and suggested to me that he struggled to turn things around when one of his teams were struggling for results. The exact same thing had happened when he managed Newcastle.You're painting a distorted picture here. When AP took over at Palace, they were 18th with 17 points from 20 games and just 3 wins. Their record for the remainder of the season with him in charge was P18 W10 D1 L7, so they got 31 points in their final 18 games and finished 10th in the end, which remains the highest position that Palace have ever finished in the Premiership.
You're painting a distorted picture here. When AP took over at Palace, they were 18th with 17 points from 20 games and just 3 wins. Their record for the remainder of the season with him in charge was P18 W10 D1 L7, so they got 31 points in their final 18 games and finished 10th in the end, which remains the highest position that Palace have ever finished in the Premiership.Well said, this was no doubt a large part of why he was appointed...a reputation for more attacking football and getting a pretty instant and relatively sustained improvement in results. Why it hasn't happened with us, as you say, that's another issue.
As far as Newcastle are concerned, they were 12th when AP took over in Dec 2010, which is where they finished that season. However, in the 2011/12 season, AP guided them to 5th, ahead of Chelsea and not far behind Arsenal and Spurs. They therefore qualified for the Europa League (where they got to the quarter-final the following season). It was their highest Premier League finish since 2003.
Prior to Newcastle, AP was at Southampton in League 1, where he had a 53% win percentage. They didn't get promoted whilst he was in charge, as they started the season with a 10 point deduction due to having been in administration. Nevertheless, they still finished 7th with 73 points and won the Football League Trophy.
Whilst AP's failure to maintain momentum at clubs is unquestionable, the info above shows his ability to make a positive impact at a new club also can't be disputed. Why he's yet to improve our fortunes is a separate question, but no-one can reasonably claim that his career to date shows that he's incapable of it.
Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com)
You insinuated we'd get relegated by pointing out AP's poor managerial performance at CP/NU. So do you think Pardew can keep us up? By saying Yes, you are back tracking on everything you've said. Surely, if we stay up then AP has done damn well?Already said I thought his goose was cooked, so no
Why take away cup matches from the argument?
You seem to have an issue in directly answering the questions posed and putting your cards on the table.
IMO - WBA have been very complacent at Board Room level. Players in their 30's should've been replaced. Players seem to dictate to the club whether they want to stay not the other way around. Also, we've gone down the Foreign Manager road and Pepe Mel wanted to change the template but was hounded out. No, I don't think we could've done better than AP and the buck stops with player quality at our disposal. Although, it's clear that if certain match winners are picked game in-game out (Liverpool away) then we may actually have enough to stay up.
You're painting a distorted picture here. When AP took over at Palace, they were 18th with 17 points from 20 games and just 3 wins. Their record for the remainder of the season with him in charge was P18 W10 D1 L7, so they got 31 points in their final 18 games and finished 10th in the end, which remains the highest position that Palace have ever finished in the Premiership.That is exactly what I was talking about, so the rest of your post is irrelevant
As far as Newcastle are concerned, they were 12th when AP took over in Dec 2010, which is where they finished that season. However, in the 2011/12 season, AP guided them to 5th, ahead of Chelsea and not far behind Arsenal and Spurs. They therefore qualified for the Europa League (where they got to the quarter-final the following season). It was their highest Premier League finish since 2003.
Prior to Newcastle, AP was at Southampton in League 1, where he had a 53% win percentage. They didn't get promoted whilst he was in charge, as they started the season with a 10 point deduction due to having been in administration. Nevertheless, they still finished 7th with 73 points and won the Football League Trophy.
Whilst AP's failure to maintain momentum at clubs is unquestionable, the info above shows his ability to make a positive impact at a new club also can't be disputed. Why he's yet to improve our fortunes is a separate question, but no-one can reasonably claim that his career to date shows that he's incapable of it.
Source: whoscored.com (https://www.whoscored.com)
That is exactly what I was talking about, so the rest of your post is irrelevantThanks for dismissing my post with a one liner. You were suggesting that AP can't turn around struggling teams, I've demonstrated that it's not true to say that. What I posted was more relevant to our current situation than your earlier criticisms of AP.
Already said I thought his goose was cooked, so no
I might take cup matches into account if we reach the final. That would be success in the cup, avoiding relegation would be success in the league.
First time that's been said. Usually I get accused of playing my cards too strongly :)
We disagree then. You think we couldn't have done better, I think we could have. Also the Pepe Mel comment is very silly. Just because he failed (debatable) means we should never consider another foreign manager? Lol
So your reaction on beating Liverpool? a) proud as punch b) pretty excited c) mildly contented d) not interested. I'd be surprised if any Baggies would answer d).Not even going to bother answering your first point, but don't like your insinuation.
Mate, you're a fence sitter. Criticise Pardew but don't state viable alternatives. Appointing a foreign Manager would've caused further disruption/turmoil due to settling in periods, style of play etc.
Pepe Mel was widely condemned on this site as I remember the posts.
Thanks for dismissing my post with a one liner. You were suggesting that AP can't turn around struggling teams, I've demonstrated that it's not true to say that. What I posted was more relevant to our current situation than your earlier criticisms of AP.I await the evidence. One win in 14 league games says that you are wrong so far.
I await the evidence. One win in 14 league games says that you are wrong so far.Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Pardew steer Palace to safety from a bad position first off ?, his trouble normally is after the intial part where he looks lost.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Pardew steer Palace to safety from a bad position first off ?, his trouble normally is after the intial part where he looks lost.No, you're right. He usually starts well and then tails off dramatically. For some reason he seems to have skipped the first part with us. Here's hoping he will do things the other way round this time.
I await the evidence.I gave you the evidence, but you chose to call it "irrelevent".
Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt Pardew steer Palace to safety from a bad position first off ?I posted the stats for that earlier....
I gave you the evidence, but you chose to call it "irrelevent".No you misunderstand - I await the evidence that he will do it with us.
I posted the stats for that earlier....I haven't got time to sit through another of your stat posts :o ;D .
Not even going to bother answering your first point, but don't like your insinuation.
If you are interested in who I thought would and wouldn't be a good manager for us, then go back and read my posts at the time.
The highlighted bit, how exactly do you know this? Answer,you don't.
What has Pepe Mel got to do with the price of bread?
I haven't got time to sit through another of your stat posts :o ;D .Well, forums have no shortage of impassioned and subjective opinions, so I think that the occasional injection of factual information may help there to be a little more objectivity.....maybe! :P
Well, forums have no shortage of impassioned and subjective opinions, so I think that the occasional injection of factual information may help there to be a little more objectivity.....maybe! :PTrouble is with factual stuff is theres often two sides much like Pardews record as a manager sadly.
I await the evidence. One win in 14 league games says that you are wrong so far.
The evidence has been provided for you already. Every club he has been to he has improved initially.Two completely contradictory statements.
It hasnt happened here yet.....but to say someone is wrong when they have shown you that he can and has turned other teams around is a bit out of line really
Two completely contradictory statements.
No they are not!!!
Every club he has been to he HAS improved initially......he hasnt had the winning bounce at this club since taking over. I think you need to learn context.......
However, we have improved immeasurably under him performance wise so im not quite sure what your argument is if im honest
No they are not!!!I think where we disagree is that you think he has improved us immeasurably and I just can't see it. In what respect do you think that your statement is true? More points? More goals? More commitment? Am genuinely interested in why you think this.
Every club he has been to he HAS improved initially......he hasnt had the winning bounce at this club since taking over. I think you need to learn context.......
However, we have improved immeasurably under him performance wise so im not quite sure what your argument is if im honest
We're slightly worse but in a different style imo.For those in a world where the only enjoyment they seek from football is working out our points per game on a calculator, then they would see it that way. Others can see that we have far more possession, more attacking play and more attempts on goal, which makes the overall spectacle more enjoyable to watch.
I can see both sides of the argument. Firstly the football is better to watch and is far more positive than under Pulis. For me that is a huge plus.
However the board only dismissed Pulis because of results and as such you have to judge Pardew on results and in that respect he has barely move the dial. Were he not appointed as a quick fix but as a first step toward fundamentally change the club's strategic direction then you can argue that he should have time but let's face it that isn't the case.
So because I think AP is a poor manager I have to keep my opinion to myself until we are relegated. Is that what you are saying?
By the way, I will always support the club as a whole, even if/when we are relegated, so please don't suggest otherwise. Because you have a different opinion to me, doesn't make you a better fan.
For those in a world where the only enjoyment they seek from football is working out our points per game on a calculator, then they would see it that way. Others can see that we have far more possession, more attacking play and more attempts on goal, which makes the overall spectacle more enjoyable to watch.
If we can start converting more of those chances, which Sturridge has been brought in to do (and is well capable of doing), then victories should follow, as long as we're not beset by injuries like we have been.
For me regardless of what league we are in he should go in the summer. Get a young coach in with fresh ideas and we shouldn't be afraid to look overseas.
Do you honestly watch games and think we played some pleasing on the eye football but lost so thats ok? The argument that its better football is a myth. Surely the best football is enjoyable to watch but also winning games. Its the same as teachers who say "its not the winning its the taking part that counts". I never lost 5-0 and thought "i enjoyed taking part".
Pulls was terrible to watch but also at the end couldn't buy a win. Pardew has marginally improved the style) although looking at this thread you'd think we are playing like Barcelona now) but the results are as bad as Pulis. He has had 2 good games for me Brighton and Liverpool, maybe Everton away (although they were rubbish that day).
If Pardew keeps us up the board won't sack him and nor should they. The only exception is that the Board want to take us in a different strategic direction and Pardew is not the coach to deliver that. That is not how a Williams lead board thinks and that is not going to happen.
The question is if we are relegated do we persist with Pardew? If we do sack him do we just replace him with another old school manager or do we try something different?
I think the issue is not the manager but rather the club's leadership.
he`s had twelve games and his record stinks, with Pardew in charge the football has improved but results have not. if he is not under pressure from board then he should be no coach should be given a free pass when his team is on a bad run of games.
I think if we go down it is how we go down that will determine whether or not Alan Pardew keeps his job. If we go down with a whimper and a really low points tally it will put a lot of pressure on the board to replace him. Should we have a good run from now till the end of the season but just fail I think there will be more support for Alan to keep his position.
At the moment, personally, I like the way Pardew is going about things, the Southampton game excepted. He's right what he says in his latest interview. Since Christmas we've actually looked a pretty decent side but every time we take a step forward something seems to happen to make us take two steps back. The Manchester City match you can forget. Look what they did to Leicester yesterday who put out a stronger team against them than we did. The only real disappointment lately has been the Southampton game. My feelings about Pardew's management of that game are clear already from my previous posts so there is no point going over them again, but again injuries to key players had a major affect on the team.
Alan has twelve games to prove himself. As stated I like the way he is going about things at the moment. Hopefully the setbacks are now behind us and he can have a relatively clear run for the twelve games to come. I'd be more inclined to judge Pardew on those games to come more so than what has / hasn't been achieved so far as up to now I think he's had a pretty thankless task.
he`s had twelve games and his record stinks, with Pardew in charge the football has improved but results have not. if he is not under pressure from board then he should be no coach should be given a free pass when his team is on a bad run of games.
You can't talk to them that won't listen, I don't think he has ever written anything remotely positive
The last six games all competitions have seen 3 wins, 1 draw and 2 defeats so you can argue that we are making progress. One of those defeats was at Man City and everyone loses there. The only bad performance was Southampton.
Not every fix is a quick fix. Pardew has had to completely change the mindset in players that sort of thing doesn't happen overnight.
There is absolutely no way he'll be under pressure from the board yet. If you think sacking Alan Pardew now will bring in a new manager that will transform our results it isn't going to happen. Pardew has till the end of the season when I presume his record and his apparent progress, or lack of, will be rightly reviewed.
he`s had twelve games and his record stinks, with Pardew in charge the football has improved but results have not. if he is not under pressure from board then he should be no coach should be given a free pass when his team is on a bad run of games.
See the boys are off to Barcelona for some warm weather training after tonight's game.We would need to kidnap a few of them to stand any chance mate. Sneak Messi in for Barry and Suarez for HRK, no-one would notice, their styles are so similar!
I wonder if we can pick up a few tips in Barca?
So again why did we hire him? If it’s not for a short term fix but a long term project the hiring is even more baffling. In theory Pardew has always gone in and turned teams around quickly and given them a boost. I don’t know many people questioning Pardew who are defending Pulis. I wanted Pulis out but the appointment of Pardew was staggering to me. I want him to prove me wrong but to tell people that they need to blindly overlook Pardews record seem strange. Those that hated Pulis seem to be giving Pardew and easy ride just because he’s not Pulis.
Or maybe it's because pulis had so long, so many transfer windows and so much money yet his excuses from his first week with us were exactly the same as his excuses the last week before he left us..... why doesn't Pardew deserve the same time and transfer windows as pulis?
For the record, I couldn't stand pulis before he came here but I kept going and giving him a chance.... I also didn't want Pardew here, but I shall keep going and give him a chance like we all gave to pulis who never really changed much except sign a load of players who can't seem to fight their way out of a paper bag never mind a relegation scrap.
I live in Barcelona and I guarentee that they won´t be doing any warm weather training here. It is bloody wet and cold.Brilliant :D
I live in Barcelona and I guarentee that they won´t be doing any warm weather training here. It is bloody wet and cold.
When Pulis took over from Irvine he was the current manager of the year and just saved Palace. I didn’t want Pulis either but felt we needed him at the time. Pardews record when he got the job (after his Palace tenure) was awful. My problem was with Williams and Hammond at the time. it’s not Pardews fault he got the job but since he was given it you would hope he would would have won more games, otherwise why appoint him. Was it to to keep us up or be more “entertaining†to watch?Lol
Taxi for pardew oh and Williams Goodman lai Hammond etcc
No one is guaranteed to keep any team up, not even pulis.
1 win in 13. We have to seriously consider getting rid now to give ourselves any chance.
Not his team. Remind me which genius manager signs Gibbs and Barry? Or thought your best mate Rondon would score the goals? We don’t need a new manager we need devine intervention to turn water into wine. In reality we’re relegated and need to start planning for next season. If Pardew wants to manage in the championship then I’d be happy to keep him and trust him to rebuild the squad in the summer.
would love to see the argument for blaming him for tonight's loss. Pretty much played the best players available. Should had been up 1-0 on J-Rod's awful rushed miss. The squad hung in after that to keep it 0-1 at the half. Made an aggressive change at the half. Should had had an equalizer from either Rondon or Evans but it wasn't to be.
Ends up losing 0-3 on the road due to a world class player scoring two beauties and a deflection exposing one of his defenders being out-hustled. Could had been a different game if our players convert their chances or if they had been able to create more. Brunt didn't bring his A-game, Barry same, Phillips had some good and some bad.
The one thing that really sticks with me is not riding J-Rod's form as I feel if he had been starting the last two games he absolutely scores on that chance in the first half. Absolutely rushed to get Sturridge in as a starter.
A loss is a loss 8 points from a possible 39.
Strange we’ve not more points given how potent Rondon has been all season. Funny one that.
you know that plane that fell out the sky in russia and the helicopter in the grande canyon? Rondon, honest he's to blame for them as well. FFS can you not change the record please. We all know you don't rate him, boring us to death with your opinion will not make you right.
Strange we’ve not more points given how potent Rondon has been all season. Funny one that.
I think the point is it’s hypcritical to lay into Pardrew for not getting results and to simultaneously keep praising and defending the non-goalscoring striker. Direct cause and effect between the two which I’m more than entitled to call out. Even if it aggravates your sensibilities to the point of you launching into sarcasm overload, which is one of my own specialities.
Likewise if we don’t concede soft goals against Southampton, Everton, West Ham and Stoke, we come away with 3 points in all those games where we managed to score. Defence is just as much to blame as the attackers are.
The appointment of Pardew has rendered the sacking of Pulis completely pointless.
I didn't want Pardew but secretly hoped he had learnt something from being out of the game (post Palace) to change things around. The media at the time were mocking the Moyes, Pardew, Big Sam merry go round of "tired old British managers" and i wanted Pardew to prove me wrong but he isn't. I agree with those who said its time for a clear out and start again.Ffs it's not Pardew's fault it's the previous manager and rubbish players he bought a magician wouldn't have got us out of this mess with these players!
One of the strange decisions with Pardew was the length of his contract, why not give him till the end of the season? can't see him going as the pay out is too much.
Ffs it's not Pardew's fault it's the previous manager and rubbish players he bought a magician wouldn't have got us out of this mess with these players!
Ffs it's not Pardew's fault it's the previous manager and rubbish players he bought a magician wouldn't have got us out of this mess with these players!
Couldn’t Pulis have said that when he took over from Irvine (squad was way worse). What about Moyes, Hodgson and Carvahal? Their teams had all struggled (Palace hadn’t scored a goal or got a point). Benitez has had no backing in the transfer market and has virtually the same squad that got them promoted.
Surely you’d expect more than 1 win despite the “terrible squad†which alot of people said we had a good window in the summer at the time.
Couldn’t Pulis have said that when he took over from Irvine (squad was way worse). What about Moyes, Hodgson and Carvahal? Their teams had all struggled (Palace hadn’t scored a goal or got a point). Benitez has had no backing in the transfer market and has virtually the same squad that got them promoted.Disagree with the squad was "way worse" that Pulis took over. The squad was far less one dimensional and had enough quality about it that it could get results. We may have better players now but a squad that viagra would struggle to keep up.
Surely you’d expect more than 1 win despite the “terrible squad†which alot of people said we had a good window in the summer at the time.
Ok, so the big thing for me now is whether you think Pardew is the man to lead us forward.
We’re down, the sooner we accept it as a club the better - I’m all for being positive but there’s no coming back now.
I don’t buy the ‘its All pulis’ fault’ or ‘it’s not his team’ arguments - the blame doesn’t lay at the feet of one man and having to change 20 players every time a manager leaves rarely happens. However much I disliked Pulis’ tactics or style.
Do you think Pardew, knowing how Albion operate, is the man to lead us in the championship- if the answer is no (it is for me) we might as well cut him loose now.
Has he improve the style? I think he had a little - however I still argue my missus could have change our style after Pulis simply by going into the changing room and telling the players to play more freely. The bigger question is have we improved tactically - the answer for me is no and that’s why he needs to leave.
These are professional footballers were talking about, a good manager and coaching staff should be able to identify strengths and play to them - I haven’t seen that. I’ve seen tactics/style that seem to be aimed more at appeasing fans post Pulis than actually providing any substance.
To be honest, I didn't expect a massive upturn in results, due to the imbalance and lack of quality in the squad. Add to that the 3 years of brainwashing the players had endured and it was always a tough gig. What I did expect though was an upturn in intent, which we got, and an upturn in fight and desire, which we most certainly didn't. The players look lost and devoid of confidence and motivation. So, for all his little soundbites and charismatic interviews, Pardew has to be deemed to have failed.
Clear the decks at the end of the season, bring in a younger more progressive chairman and a young manager with something to prove (Potter?) and have a real go at the Championship. Let's think outside the box for a change.
So you’re saying, none, absolutely none of the defeats that Pardew has presided over are his fault??
I dislike Pulis as much as the next man but that’s just clutching at straws
I suppose if we’re sitting mid table in the championship next season that’ll still be Pulis’ fault?
Disagree with the squad was "way worse" that Pulis took over. The squad was far less one dimensional and had enough quality about it that it could get results. We may have better players now but a squad that viagra would struggle to keep up.
What about Moyes, Hodgson, Carvahal? Could they have done a job here? Face it the ultimate "anti-relegation" manager, the Red Adair of football management was taking us down the relegation path and therefore it is no surprise that whoever follows him was going to struggle.
We have a team of 11 or 12 players (pretty much last night's team) that may have the quality to keep us up but we need to rely on them to be available for every minute of every match and that is unrealistic. Even if we manage this, we will struggle to compete with the likes of Chelsea who are a class above.
Sack him, results have not improved since he came in. Passing the ball a bit more is not getting us the win's we need. Talks a good game but very little substance to him.
The modern football fan has no patience. Our strike force of Rondon, J-Rod and Kanu are incapable of scoring goals, doesn't matter if Pardew is in charge or Alex Ferguson. Best we can hope for is that the players start fighting for each other and scrap at least 3 wins in the next 6 games. Sacking the manager and the back room team again just before we prepare for the biggest 6 game of the season would be Grade A stupid.
The modern football fan has no patience. Our strike force of Rondon, J-Rod and Kanu are incapable of scoring goals, doesn't matter if Pardew is in charge or Alex Ferguson. Best we can hope for is that the players start fighting for each other and scrap at least 3 wins in the next 6 games. Sacking the manager and the back room team again just before we prepare for the biggest 6 game of the season would be Grade A stupid.
If Mr. Lai looked a little closer in the first place he might have seen that Pulis was taking us downhill fast at the end of last season
If Mr. Lai looked a little closer in the first place he might have seen that Pulis was taking us downhill fast at the end of last season
I am not saying this recklessly, but I think that the reason for Williams being fired is a combination of appointing AP, and sanctioning salaries of £100k+ to two players who do not belong to the club.
Desperate times require desperate measures. Get SGM back in for the rest of the season, and if he keeps us up make him a rich man.
I await the sarcastic comments, but I can handle that, I want my team to give 100% for the remaining games, nothing is going to change under AP I am afraid.
No sarcastic comment from me, however I certainly don’t want Merson back.Paul???!!!
John Percy's article:The only thing I can think of that might cause from friction is his favouritism towards the experienced players at the expense of the younger ones. Whilst we don't get to see what happens in the training pitch, I'm struggling to see what else they can be objecting to. After 3 years of Pulis's training methods, you'd have thought that almost anything else would seem like a godsend to the players.
'Pardew’s job is safe despite the head coach picking up only one league win since his appointment, though his methods and management are understood to be causing some friction within the squad.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/02/13/west-brom-sack-chariman-chief-exec-alan-pardew-safe-now/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
My question is who are these players and some were reportedly unhappy with Pulis and now Pardew. What do these players expect? What sort of football do they want to play? Im confused. Surely they should be fighting for the badge instead of causing friction!
Andy Goldstein was talking about it with Darren Lewis from The Mirror on Talk Sport last night. Goldstein reckons we should pull the trigger and get Silva as we need a "new manager bounce" that just never happened with Pardew. We need a bounce but i'm kinda hoping we can get it with Pardew still...!I think our bounce happened under Megson and just wasn't very bouncy.
Andy Goldstein was talking about it with Darren Lewis from The Mirror on Talk Sport last night. Goldstein reckons we should pull the trigger and get Silva as we need a "new manager bounce" that just never happened with Pardew. We need a bounce but i'm kinda hoping we can get it with Pardew still...!
I think the point is it’s hypcritical to lay into Pardrew for not getting results and to simultaneously keep praising and defending the non-goalscoring striker. Direct cause and effect between the two which I’m more than entitled to call out. Even if it aggravates your sensibilities to the point of you launching into sarcasm overload, which is one of my own specialities.
John Percy's article:
'Pardew’s job is safe despite the head coach picking up only one league win since his appointment, though his methods and management are understood to be causing some friction within the squad.'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/02/13/west-brom-sack-chariman-chief-exec-alan-pardew-safe-now/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
My question is who are these players and some were reportedly unhappy with Pulis and now Pardew. What do these players expect? What sort of football do they want to play? Im confused. Surely they should be fighting for the badge instead of causing friction!
Assuming this is the same core group of “great lads†that rebelled against Mel and have bottled virtually every big occasion in recent memory?
Club is rotten from top to bottom, get rid of the lot and start again.
Tell you what. Think it'd be our best shot.
The more I think about this, the more I think Hammond and Pardew are finished , if not now then at the end of the season . Wonder who Lai would turn to considering he's dismantled his leadership team?
What a horrible season it's been!
If you had a limited knowledge of the English game, & it's personalities, who would you turn to?
Could be set to get a whole lot worse yet.
Only problem, and it's a good point from Darren Lewis - Why would anybody take the job at this stage? My answer would be it's win-win. If they kept us up then they are a hero and have performed a miracle, if we go down we were already a lost cause.
General hypothetical question
If we could get a creative midfield player in tomorrow, do you think we could yet save our season?
https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/vertragslosespieler (https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/vertragslosespieler)
The more I think about this, the more I think Hammond and Pardew are finished , if not now then at the end of the season . Wonder who Lai would turn to considering he's dismantled his leadership team?
What a horrible season it's been!
I struggle to see how anyone employed by a chairman who gets sacked due to a lack of results will not go with him , Jenkins hasn't just pitched up they must have been working on this since Southampton game . If Pardew survives this cull he will be very lucky.
Pards isn't seen as the problem clearly, there is a lot of other "stuff' which pre-dates pards and another load of stuff that is outside his remit.
Mr Lai has clearly been advised not to throw that particular baby out with the bath water.
I'd be amazed if we have someone lined up. Who could have overseen the process, Williams? Hardly think we would trust him to scout a new manager then sack him for previous incompetence.
Jenkins? Not a football man, so who would he bring in, an accountant who plays a bit of Sunday league?
If we get rid of Pardew it will take weeks to bring in someone new so would have to hand over to someone already here like, God forbid Carver, (wouldn't be surprised if he is behind the training gripes) or Big Dave? Would love him to come in and be the hero and keep us up but we all know that doesn't happen (Shearer) and it could damage his reputation and future prospects. He deserves better.
Stick with Pardew until end of season, S***e or bust, then start the re-build depending on what league we are in.
A good post, I'd say though that the rebuild has to start regardless of what league we are in.No more Barry type signings, all that's done is hold Field back, if he's going to be good enough we should have found out by now.
No more Barry type signings, all that's done is hold Field back, if he's going to be good enough we should have found out by now.
I'd be amazed if we have someone lined up. Who could have overseen the process, Williams? Hardly think we would trust him to scout a new manager then sack him for previous incompetence.
Jenkins? Not a football man, so who would he bring in, an accountant who plays a bit of Sunday league?
If we get rid of Pardew it will take weeks to bring in someone new so would have to hand over to someone already here like, God forbid Carver, (wouldn't be surprised if he is behind the training gripes) or Big Dave? Would love him to come in and be the hero and keep us up but we all know that doesn't happen (Shearer) and it could damage his reputation and future prospects. He deserves better.
Stick with Pardew until end of season, S***e or bust, then start the re-build depending on what league we are in.
I'd be amazed if we have someone lined up. Who could have overseen the process, Williams? Hardly think we would trust him to scout a new manager then sack him for previous incompetence.
Jenkins? Not a football man, so who would he bring in, an accountant who plays a bit of Sunday league?
If we get rid of Pardew it will take weeks to bring in someone new so would have to hand over to someone already here like, God forbid Carver, (wouldn't be surprised if he is behind the training gripes) or Big Dave? Would love him to come in and be the hero and keep us up but we all know that doesn't happen (Shearer) and it could damage his reputation and future prospects. He deserves better.
Stick with Pardew until end of season, S***e or bust, then start the re-build depending on what league we are in.
God forbid Carver, (wouldn't be surprised if he is behind the training gripes)I really must wander around this digital world with me head up me rear end!
Would not be suprised if Pardew gets the Southampton game then sack him and then we have someone else lined up for the Huddersfield game. I just cannot see Lai throwing in the Premier League Towel in so easy. If he has a doubt about Pardew I can see him pulling the triggerI welcomed Pardew because Pulis had gone.
There is rumour that it is not a happy camp and that Pardew is not flavour of the month.
Well who is really in love with their boss? I find that employees, which in this case are the payers, tend to do what they are asked to do whilst at work. If they don't then they're out. I know this isn't easy with football as it seems to be in it's own tiny world where proper ethics and expectations are thrown to one side.
Sadly this isn't the only time this group have not been happy with the manager so there is possibly something wrong somewhere - more than likely with the group.
It's probably that they realise their own limitations and can't perform as expected so they act like spoilt kids and rebel - pathetic.
For crying out loud roll up your sleeves and start putting a shift in - there are a lot of us who do care and would certainly out perform you for effort at least, given that golden opportunity. Yes we would still lose but our opponents would know they'd been in a scrap.
I'm hoping that when they get back tomorrow that Jenkins informs pardew and carver that they are fired
I'm hoping that when they get back tomorrow that Jenkins informs pardew and carver that they are fired
Yeah that would make loads of sense. Lets throw Big Dave into doing the job of manager and the whole back room team ahead of the most important six games of the season and spread massive upheaval and uncertainty throughout the whole squad.Football clubs in real life are a bit different to championship manager or a play station. You don't sack the manager with 11 games left who took over a team in disarray last December.
Yeah that would make loads of sense. Lets throw Big Dave into doing the job of manager and the whole back room team ahead of the most important six games of the season and spread massive upheaval and uncertainty throughout the whole squad.Football clubs in real life are a bit different to championship manager or a play station. You don't sack the manager with 11 games left who took over a team in disarray last December.
Yeah that would make loads of sense. Lets throw Big Dave into doing the job of manager and the whole back room team ahead of the most important six games of the season and spread massive upheaval and uncertainty throughout the whole squad.Football clubs in real life are a bit different to championship manager or a play station. You don't sack the manager with 11 games left who took over a team in disarray last December.
Yeah that would make loads of sense. Lets throw Big Dave into doing the job of manager and the whole back room team ahead of the most important six games of the season and spread massive upheaval and uncertainty throughout the whole squad.Football clubs in real life are a bit different to championship manager or a play station. You don't sack the manager with 11 games left who took over a team in disarray last December.We are still in disarray. The man has had little or no impact and it has been proved by Swansea, Palace and countless others over the years that the right man can get results from the off. I said nothing about putting big Dave in charge.
It's funny last season Swansea hired Clement to get them out of the mess and they fired him this. Redknapp was hired to get Blues out of a desperate plight last and was fired this. Sherwood was Villa's savior one season but didn't make Christmas of the following campaign. The sequence of Sunderland managers is so long and rapid in the last decade that most Sunderland fan's couldn't recite it.
Firing the manager works sometimes and sometimes it doesn't. We rolled the dice and we've lost. Time to stop the quick fixes that fix nothing. Make a summer appointment give that manager time to rebuild based on a long term strategy and we might be surprised at the results.
If we are to replace AP instead of going with the usual suspects from the Premier merry-go-round of failed managers turned pundits I think the board should try thinking outside the box a little here and go for a manager that will work with young talent and can attract quality players.I'll try to answer that
Lets try style over substance for once.
It can't be any worse than what we have achieved over the last 3 seasons.....................can it?
I would agree with you entirely if this were true, however the word I've highlighted worries me, mischief makers are amongst us me fears.
If we are to replace AP instead of going with the usual suspects from the Premier merry-go-round of failed managers turned pundits I think the board should try thinking outside the box a little here and go for a manager that will work with young talent and can attract quality players.
Lets try style over substance for once.
It can't be any worse than what we have achieved over the last 3 seasons.....................can it?
To be fair to the poster you've quoted from I to have heard Pardew is disliked by the players just as much as Pulis. We either have a group of players who have big egos which require massaging or we have been very unlucky with managerial appointments.
Pretty much how I feel about it too. I wanted us to give Pardew a 6 month contract with the option of a 1 yr rolling contract if he kept us up or at worst an 18 month contract I certainly didn't expect the 30 month contract we apparently offered him.
Planning for the future has got to start now (if it hasn't already) and part of that plan has to be whether we keep Pardew after this season or not. If we do decide to keep him he's got to be given funds to rebuild the side to be able to compete for promotion out of the Championship at the earliest opportunity and also there has to be a strategy for how we are going to face the challenge of being back in the Premier league.
If we stay up the board need to decide whether they think Pardew is the right man to take us forward (in fact they should be deciding this right now) and if not get the right man in (whoever that is). Whoever the manager is they need to be given funds and there also needs to be a clear strategy from the top down as to what being in the premier league means to West Bromwich Albion and what we are trying to achieve by being in it, is it to just survive? Is it to survive and have a good go at the cups? Is it to improve season on season until we are established in the top 10 and then try to push on to threatening the Europa league places?
Just my view but reading what Pards has said in his press conference through matt wilsons twitter feed, it sounds like he is a dead man walking.
I wonder if his team selection tomorrow will give some indication of who the 4/7 were? Will he really be able to pick those involved? I can see a few raised eyebrows when the team is announced.If they are 'key players', which they probably are as they are 'senior', he might drop them, but I doubt he would do it the week after for Huddersfield, given how critical that game is. Probably hit the culprits in their wallets.
I think we just need to keep sacking managers until we find one who has a magic wand that'll turn our forwards into players that can stick the ball in the back of the net.
If Pardew is on a 2.5 years contract and IF there's no early exit clause then it would be a fairly sizeable payoff he gets if we sack him. I doubt Jenkins would have the power to do that without the nod from Lai.Perhaps not, but it wouldn't be too hard to get that nod given all the prevailing circumstances I wouldn't have thought, should Jenkins be minded to do so.
He's made mistakes himself but has had some stinking luck here it has to be said.
wouldn't be surprised if he gets the push if we lose to Southampton.
Given the seniority of the players involved in this stupid and despicable incident, I suspect it puts AP on even thinner ice than he was already in the eyes of Jenkins, who I imagine is running an autocracy at present. Anything other than our best performance and a victory tomorrow could well see AP sacked on Sunday. Even a performance/victory might not be enough.
It might well boil down to who Jenkins thinks he can bring in who's immediately available and what he judges the likelihood to be of that person hitting the ground running and making a big difference, given the run of 6 games that we have coming. How many managers would want the job at this point in time, given the grim position that we're in?
I'm not saying that I would agree with such an approach by Jenkins, but it doesn't take much to imagine it going that way.
He's made mistakes himself but has had some stinking luck here it has to be said.I agree entirely, particularly when you'd have to think it would almost certainly be the end of him being a manager in the Premier League.
To most managers that would be a dream opportunity. Can’t lose as we are expected to go down but give a 2 million pound bonus to keep us up.Doesn't that depend on what level those managers wish to be working at? Coming back up again would be far from easy.
I never want to see any of the 'Barcelona 4' put on an Albion shirt again, but I can't see Pardew is to blame.
Pardew is dead man walking. Taxigate is not his fault but it happened on his watch on trip that was no doubt his idea. It also demonstrates that his senior players have zero respect for his authority. The two executive responsible for his appointment have been sacked in part for hiring him. I can't see him making the end of the season at this rate.question begs.wtf will the players have any respect for should we twist again in the manager stakes?i myself don't have any faith left in this rabble of a squad
question begs.wtf will the players have any respect for should we twist again in the manager stakes?i myself don't have any faith left in this rabble of a squad
Pardew is dead man walking. Taxigate is not his fault but it happened on his watch on trip that was no doubt his idea. It also demonstrates that his senior players have zero respect for his authority. The two executive responsible for his appointment have been sacked in part for hiring him. I can't see him making the end of the season at this rate.
I think after this. If we lose 2/3-0 today his head is on the block. It’ll be our only chance of survival and Andy Goldstein’s assessment that we still have time to turn it around if we change manager may very well be correct after this debacle.
Just to clarify - it’s not what I wanted it’s just what I see happening and there is now reports of a “rotten†atmosphere in the club in John Percy’s article.I gather that John Percy is Pulis's buddy, so I'm a little wary of to what extent some of the things he's writing are accurate and objective.
I gather that John Percy is Pulis's buddy, so I'm a little wary of to what extent some of the things he's writing are accurate and objective.
He needs to go really, him saying these players will be in contention to start because we need them - how on earth can the rest of the squad respect that. Sam Field gets dropped after one poor match every played bad in and then didn't appear in a squad again for months. Barry has been chronic for months, shows complete disregard for the team, fans, and management, and is still in contention?
The players in the incident don't respect him, I severely doubt the players not involved in the incident respect him. There's no way back once that happens.
Better too cut loose and hope for an insane new manager bounce like Swansea than sleepwalk to relegation. At the very least get the person in we want to build towards promotion next season to let them get a look at the squad, because that most certainly shouldn't be Pardew.
thanks to four idiots he's now got a major problem, does he select them or not?I think his heads on the line today and if he gets the chop these players should be ashamed.Pardews already said they will be in the match day squad because of the bigger picture needs,rightly or wrongly
Pardews already said they will be in the match day squad because of the bigger picture needs,rightly or wronglysorry I hadn't known that, so he's damned if he does or doesnt.
sorry I hadn't known that, so he's damned if he does or doesnt.Sadly yep,unless we want to hamstrung ourselves again
He may be told who he can and cannot pick.If that's the case I would expect pardew to resign promptly
He may be told who he can and cannot pick.
I have a feeling Jenkins will pull the trigger after today's game.From Jenkins' programme notes today: "Although the events of the last week inevitably bring a certain amount of disruption and speculation to a club, I do not anticipate any more changes. All our support and energy will be focused on doing all we can to help Alan Pardew and the players pull enough another 'great escape'".
From Jenkins' programme notes today: "Although the events of the last week inevitably bring a certain amount of disruption and speculation to a club, I do not anticipate any more changes. All our support and energy will be focused on doing all we can to help Alan Pardew and the players pull enough another 'great escape'".
Were these words written before the Barcelona incident though? The programme would almost certainly have been at the printers yesterday or even on Thursday.
Megson should have been given the seasonthat's what I'd have gone for and then get a new man in the summer.
that's what I'd have gone for and then get a new man in the summer.Yes we started to mix things up a bit.Field was used for an example.Pardew has been useless.
That first goal we conceded today was horrific. As has Pardew's defending vs corners. There's still time to turn it round if he goes now, Swansea did it last year when bringing in Clement.to get that much space and time at this level was unforgivable,the more times I see it the more amateur it gets.
Straight down the tunnel at FT, not good body language. Will Jenkins stick or twist?He clapped the crowd for a few seconds before going.
He's our worse manager in the premier I would say. Robson, Mel, and Irvine were all varying degrees of bad, but Pardew's doing worse, and with a better squad than any of those had.
Regardless, 3 disastrous appointments from 4 will leave any club staring down the barrel. Serious questions need to be asked about recruitment of managers.
Agree. It’s been said many times but why hire a manager who had won 6 from 36 and with a dodgy reputation? At least it wasn’t a 2 1/2 contract :)
Mr Lai will pull the trigger in one last throw of the diceWas but a few short weeks ago that you were saying he was doing really well, would definitely be our manager in the Championship, and that those of us who said he was a poor manager and should be sacked needed to give our heads a wobble. Still hold to those opinions?
Why on earth is everyone calling for Megson to come back?! The place was poisonous behind the scenes while he was here and he was the reason Evans wanted to leave. You can't treat players in 2018 like is 2002.
Why on earth is everyone calling for Megson to come back?! The place was poisonous behind the scenes while he was here and he was the reason Evans wanted to leave. You can't treat players in 2018 like is 2002.
Why on earth is everyone calling for Megson to come back?! The place was poisonous behind the scenes while he was here and he was the reason Evans wanted to leave. You can't treat players in 2018 like is 2002.Well they seemed to "Buck up" after he held the reins .
The question is do you want Pardew in the championship. If the answer is no sack him now and try with someone else.I wouldn’t overly want him in any league to be quite honest.
I was prepared to give him a chance, but he is out of his depth, the stupid Spanish trip just rubs the fans noses in it, sack him now and at least roll the dice with a new man.
Problem with sacking now is they would just rush into another short-term appointment. It'll be Mark Hughes or Harry Redknapp.
Do you trust them to make the right decision?
We are going down whatever now. I'd rather wait til summer and try to get the right man.
I think he's lost the changing room. Evans and Barry still included - the other players must be incensed at what they have to do to get game time. The subs bench did not look a happy place to be today.
The bloke needs to go. His team selections, subs, tactics and decisions are laughable. If we'd have won games since he was brought in and then the Barcelona thing happened, I imagine there would be a lot more fans on both sides, but I haven't seen many posts on here or social media that want him to stay. I think he's on his way.
Problem with sacking now is they would just rush into another short-term appointment. It'll be Mark Hughes or Harry Redknapp.
Do you trust them to make the right decision?
We are going down whatever now. I'd rather wait til summer and try to get the right man.
Without John Williams & Martin Goodman, the managing team is a lot flatter, why would you think it would be a short term appointment?
I can think of a least one coach with a good knowledge of West Brom who would be worth considering.
I'm in the minority here. I think he deserves to stay until the Summer at least.
We took the decision to fire Pulis. Getting rid of Pardew after 3 months on the eve of the "Last Chance Saloon" v Huddersfield would be madness IMO.
Let's be honest we've battered So'ton 2nd half and the shot count was something like 22-5 in our favour. No way did we derserve to lose that football match.
Yes the stuff in Barcelona was bad. But those players today were giving 110% for him and ran themselves into the ground. The fitness levels were extraordinary today.
I'm in the minority here. I think he deserves to stay until the Summer at least.
We took the decision to fire Pulis. Getting rid of Pardew after 3 months on the eve of the "Last Chance Saloon" v Huddersfield would be madness IMO.
Let's be honest we've battered So'ton 2nd half and the shot count was something like 22-5 in our favour. No way did we derserve to lose that football match.
Yes the stuff in Barcelona was bad. But those players today were giving 110% for him and ran themselves into the ground. The fitness levels were extraordinary today.
I admire your defence of him but every game we hear “we had chances and were unluckyâ€. Surely if you win 1 game in 12 in the league and 7 in 50+ (In your last Games as a manager) isn’t just bad luck?
I thought Pardew was a good appointment, I was wrong. The issue now I when do we part company with him, now or leave it to the summer. Either way we look relegated. My head says the summer because we will look even more desperate doing it now, me heart says get rid now. The Barcelona trip was just ridiculous and the lack of respect by the players a total embarrassment. Pardew has shown he is clueless.
I'm in the minority here. I think he deserves to stay until the Summer at least.
We took the decision to fire Pulis. Getting rid of Pardew after 3 months on the eve of the "Last Chance Saloon" v Huddersfield would be madness IMO.
Let's be honest we've battered So'ton 2nd half and the shot count was something like 22-5 in our favour. No way did we derserve to lose that football match.
Yes the stuff in Barcelona was bad. But those players today were giving 110% for him and ran themselves into the ground. The fitness levels were extraordinary today.
Just my opinion
I have been a long time fan of Alan Pardew and thought he had short shrift at some previous clubs.... whether that be by the board or the fans.
However today I thought he got things wrong on four levels... Tactically, personnel wise, morally and personal integrity.
Tactically a fortnight ago their 3 midfielders ripped our two to bits, so to start the same formation was queationable
Personnel, if going to start that formation the spine of the team with Barry and Mcauley was always questionable. Brunt was always a viable left back option to move younger legs more centrally, and equally other options in midfield
Morally, I can't make any sense at all. Don't think Barry or Evans should have played, simple as! Notwithstanding whether either were the best options in their position. They shouldn't have been an option
Personal integrity. As a manager if all that matters is the end outcome where does it leave you. You select players who have ignored a curfew you have set..... And more by their actions..... But then select them as the result matters but lose regardless. How does that work going forward and what message does it send out to those who did respect you?
I have read the comments about the players who gave their all today for the manager, and agree we are quick to jump on the bandwagon when they don't. But surely that is a two way street?
I agree. When he was at other Premier League clubs though, his win percentage was much, much better than here. In fact, it was a noticeable improvement on Pulis. If Pulis was roughly a '14th in the league' manager, then Pardew was roughly a '12th in the league' manager in terms of finishing a full season.
The problem is, it hasn't translated with us. Usually he goes on big runs where he looks invincible, followed by horrible slumps. It's only been 13 league games but already his win record here is horrible; 1 in total - by far our worst ever Premier League manager.
This is why he's being criticized, it's fair to say that when he came in, he had a solid reputation but it hasn't worked out here.
Does anyone actually think he will go now? If I remember right Pulis was sacked on a Monday.I want him to go but I guess it won't happen now. Unless he beaten by Huddersfield Town next week.
to give a new coach even the slimiest of chance of keeping us up Pardew needs to be gone now and his successor appointed tomorrow. Huddersfield is huge don't win that and we are gone.I'm not sure how I feel about AP's tenure this morning, but I agree with what you said above (although I assume you meant "slightest"!). If the Board (aka Jenkins) is contemplating making a change, it'll have to be done today and a replacement (who's not called Megson) appointed tomorrow. There's no point leaving it until mid-week or after the Huddersfield game (if we don't win).
I'm not sure how I feel about AP's tenure this morning, but I agree with what you said above (although I assume you meant "slightest"!). If the Board (aka Jenkins) is contemplating making a change, it'll have to be done today and a replacement (who's not called Megson) appointed tomorrow. There's no point leaving it until mid-week or after the Huddersfield game (if we don't win).
One of the factors is - who would be willing to come in our current predicament? I won't speculate about actual names, as that's not allowed on this forum at this juncture, but would anyone who might be better than AP be up for this extremely difficult challenge? That's why there should be no sacking without a contract for a replacement already having been agreed. Such a contract should include a huge bonus for keeping us up and, if that's achieved, it would become payable if the manager is still at the club come September 30th 2018.
If the Board has no intention of making a change until the end of the season, they should come out today and say that AP will be here until at least then, as all of the current speculation is unquestionably harmful to us at what is now the most vital time of the season.
The endless negativity is also harmful, but a couple of wins might help with that. Few wanted AP gone when we recently only lost once in 7 games, but 4 games later (2 of which we'd expect to lose anyway) almost everyone seems to want him gone. I do feel he hasn't had the rub of the green and commend his attempts to bring some attacking excitement back to The Hawthorns.
The level of vitriol being shown towards him by some is unfair in my view. For example, to suggest that he's always been clueless throughout his managerial career is ridiculous and I would suggest that anyone who thinks that goes away and looks at his managerial record again. Prior to coming to us, AP had a better win percentage than Pulis and achieved that in a palatable way too. I'll feel sorry for him if he goes, as everything seems to have conspired against him during his time with us.
The problem with getting rid of Pardew is the problems that have got the club to here will persist. We as a club put FAR too much value on experience.I wholeheartedly agree with what you say. I wish I had some confidence that we have learnt this lesson and won't make the same mistakes in the future.
For signings this largely means anyone under 25 won't be signed, and certainly not started - this is something the vast majority of rival clubs don't do and means we end up having to overpay horrendously in wages for very average players.
It also mean we limit ourselves to a tiny pool of "experienced" managers, but the good experienced managers won't ever move to us so we'll just continue on the roundabout of failures hoping they strike it lucky. Getting rid of Pardew won't mean much if it means we just go next down the list of "experienced" managers. If you remember, the pre-requisite for this job was premier league experience - Swansea have got themselves out of trouble with I would say a worse squad by more progressive thinking.
Without someone like Ashworth here who had some sort of vision and long term thinking we'll alway be trying to fix things short term by making the same mistakes that led us here.
I only judge him on his time here. Technically we have poor players but boy do they have character. I happen to think Soton have too many foreigners and that’s why they are in this predicament. If we go down take it like a man not a wingeing schoolgirl. TBH our players are short of quality. Samir Nasri is a free agent......There is much about your post with which I disagree:
We can chuck stats and insults about all we want what hasnt, doesnt change is the fact that this squad has won 3 league games so far this season which in turn says to me that as a squad they are nowhere near good enough for the league they are trying to compete in, add the back end of last season and it is even worse. The architects of the building of this squad are what needs to be addressed, not an inexplicable substitution here or a cruel injury there. Director of football and his scouting network need to be seriously looked at
he actually thought and said Barry had a good game. Taxi.Yes Alan , thats why you subbed him.
We can chuck stats and insults about all we want what hasnt, doesnt change is the fact that this squad has won 3 league games so far this season which in turn says to me that as a squad they are nowhere near good enough for the league they are trying to compete in, add the back end of last season and it is even worse. The architects of the building of this squad are what needs to be addressed, not an inexplicable substitution here or a cruel injury there. Director of football and his scouting network need to be seriously looked at
Can't see where I've named Hammond or anybody else in the recruitment department.
We can chuck stats and insults about all we want what hasnt, doesnt change is the fact that this squad has won 3 league games so far this season which in turn says to me that as a squad they are nowhere near good enough for the league they are trying to compete in, add the back end of last season and it is even worse. The architects of the building of this squad are what needs to be addressed, not an inexplicable substitution here or a cruel injury there. Director of football and his scouting network need to be seriously looked at
he actually thought and said Barry had a good game. Taxi.You know what he thought? That's a useful ability you have there!
While not an inspiring choice I was happy to support Pardew and there have been some positives under him. He's also had some bad luck - when you inherit a Pulis squad but try and play on the front foot and win games, the lack of options in centre midfield and the ongoing loss of Chadli, Morrison and now Sturridge, then its a lot to overcome. I genuinely think that if he had those three, especially the first two, available to him then we would have been clear of relegation by now. However that hasn't been the case, results have been no better than before and arguably worse.
However the biggest issue for me is his apparent lack of strength and influence as a manager, shown by the Barcelona four. For them to do that is bad enough, but for him to then pick two of them is a shocker in my view. Evans could have easily been dropped for Brunt or Gabr, and Barry could have been dropped for Field or Yacob.
For this reason I think he's lost the respect of the dressing room.
I'd be happy for him to go, and i'd be happy for him to stay - I guess thats because I really don't see anything changing in the last few matches. If I knew there was either a really exciting young manager, or a proven manager like Hodgson out there then I may change my mind but options are really limited.
Such a shame. When Pulis was appointed I said to anyone who would listen that he would leave a lasting legacy of damage upon us, and in my opinion this is what has happened. Chief Execs etc have also had a bit of a mare.
While there were plenty who had an issue with Peace I was pretty happy under him as he certainly knows how to run a business and how to build a solid team around him. It now feels like we are a bit rudderless.
I'm coming down from Glasgow for my first game since Pulis took charge - still can't wait - despite all this, and still love my club.
You know what he thought? That's a useful ability you have there!
Well your sarcasm aside, Pardew did praise the performances of both Barry and Evans...There are very few managers who would have said "they were rubbish and I wished I hadn't picked them" in the circumstances. AP's back is right against the wall - when he was first here, I thought his analyses were spot on but, once things didn't go well, his comments have become more inaccurate and cliche-ridden.
No he didn't build a "team" around him! He put in his yes man Jenkins (gave him over £900k p.a salary of our club's money)& appointed Pulls to protect his investment & to hell with the long term .consequences!
There are very few managers who would have said "they were rubbish and I wished I hadn't picked them" in the circumstances. AP's back is right against the wall - when he was first here, I thought his analyses were spot on but, once things didn't go well, his comments have become more inaccurate and cliche-ridden.This is exactly what Newcastle and Palace fans say in large numbers, which makes you wonder if our due diligence was somewhat lacking when we decided to appoint him. It was easy to see in advance that he struggled when things weren't going well, so no surprise to find history repeating itself (yet again)
I wouldn't have played Barry and Evans yesterday, or started with the formation that we did, and said so in the match thread. AP's obsession with experience over youth, regardless of form and/or suitability, is looking like it could finish his career at this level. This approach hasn't worked for him, so he might as well change tack now, assuming he isn't sacked.
Speaking of which, I think we're now into the realms of either sacking him this evening/tomorrow and also announcing a replacement at the same time, or he's still going to be here for the Huddersfield game. Sacking him in mid-week wouldn't make any sense with such a vital game coming up.
This is exactly what Newcastle and Palace fans say in large numbers, which makes you wonder if our due diligence was somewhat lacking when we decided to appoint him. It was easy to see in advance that he struggled when things weren't going well, so no surprise to find history repeating itself (yet again)History hasn't repeated itself insofar as he got very good results at both of those clubs when he first took charge. It hasn't happened so far with us, but whether that's mostly due to him or the squad that he's inherited is hard to assess.
Yes he did. He also oversaw a bunch of promotions and managed the club brilliantly when we were relegated a couple of times. He appointed RDM and Mowbray to get us out of the premiership. He appointed Hodgson to keep us in it. He made a couple of dodgy decisions but ultimately the club was well run and professional.With respect you are being very selective with your selection of appointments. Didn't he also appoint Irvine & Pepe Mel? When Peace left there was no "team" in place. May have been different if Ashworth had remained.
I would agree that his appointment of Pulis was absolutely about being able to sell the club in the short term.
You've got to laugh when you see who the favourite is should Pardew leave.
I think Barcelona should be where the Fat Lady Sings for Alan.
Her name was Monserrat I believe.
I ain't laughing mate.. I'm not Laughing either I'll cut my season ticket if he does
Its scary
The job he's doing here is alarmingly similar to the one he did at Charlton. Took over mid-season, failed to arrest the slide.That's his only total failure in his managerial career, so you're painting a distorted picture.
Then - most worryingly - in the championship was an absolute disaster for them, finishing 12th the next season having completely failed to manage and promotion push, before being sacked the next season with Charlton in the relegation zone, after which they got relegated again.
If this season ends in failure theres no way I want Pardew starting next season in charge , every bit of symphathy I have for him vanishes a bit more with each daft tactical move .
Take Huddersfield for example , If he starts Barry after Spain and his performance against Saints then you just can't defend Pardew.
Atleast two of the idiots making these daft decisions have been sacked but Hammond for me is the big one. The day he leaves I will break out into song and dance.
In all fairness to Hammond, Pulis was given full control of the transfers so I'm yet to see what he has actually come up with.
I read that the Spain holiday was actually booked before the Liverpool cup game and was due to be a week long, as they weren't expecting to progress past that game. It would have been a week long holiday, as we wouldn't have had a fixture on the 17th had we not beaten Liverpool. It was cut to three days after it was confirmed we'd be playing on the Saturday.That is a bit like suggesting that the trip to Austria pre season was just a social. Ignoring the daily training sessions that were held the players were obviously only there to get a tan, laze by the pool and play drinking games. ::)
Alan said on WM that it was his idea to have a social. So he in fact lied when he said it was a training trip.
I fail to grasp the concept of him having 'two games to save his job'.
Surely at this stage it is either a case of they want rid of him or they feel he is the man to take us back up from the Championship. I fail to see what two additional games will do to change perceptions either way, and personally I do not see us winning either. I don't feel he is the man to take charge of an assault on the Championship next season.
How have we made such a monumental cock up of this? By this I am talking the whole of the past calendar year
That is a bit like suggesting that the trip to Austria pre season was just a social. Ignoring the daily training sessions that were held the players were obviously only there to get a tan, laze by the pool and play drinking games. ::)
Surely at this stage it is either a case of they want rid of him or they feel he is the man to take us back up from the Championship.Unlike you and many others, I would imagine they haven't yet given up on us staying up this season. This being the case, giving him 2 games (which has only been reported in the Sun that I'm aware of) doesn't make sense to me for a different reason. If we get bad results in those 2 games, it will then probably be beyond salvation by then, but also the wrong time to bring in someone else and would make some possible successors not keen on coming in at that time. Therefore, if they're willing to give AP 2 more games, they might as well keep him on until the end of the season and then let him go if we've gone down or keep him on if we've stayed up.
I know our results have been poor for some time, but I'm surprised at the extent of the defeatism on here with so much of the season still to go. Maybe a good performance and a victory on Saturday would get some people's heads out of their hands?
He was left with a sow's ear, and tried to make a silk purse.Nail on the head
If you start with rubbish at the base, the house will tumble down.
Thank you Mr Pulis and co.
Not entirely sure what your point is. I imagine the pre season trips are a mix of relaxation and training. The Spanish break was publicly named as a warm weather training break, for the players to use top facilities in a warm country in the hope that it revitalises them. He then said it on WM that it was a social.Your suggestion that he was lying. They had warm weather training and they acted socially together. It isn't mutually exclusive.
He was left with a sow's ear, and tried to make a silk purse.
If you start with rubbish at the base, the house will tumble down.
Thank you Mr Pulis and co.
Your suggestion that he was lying. They had warm weather training and they acted socially together. It isn't mutually exclusive.
Yet a worse squad finished 10th last season and should have finished higher? How come?How come Pulis couldn't get the "better" squad performing?
Pardew’s squad spent a total of only three hours training at Espanyol’s base but returned with four players the subject of an internal investigation. That inquiry is expected to last two weeks and will see the quartet interviewed individually by club directors.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/19/west-brom-taxi-quartet-court-barcelona
Yet a worse squad finished 10th last season and should have finished higher? How come?better players, worse team.
The Guardian are reporting only 3 hours of training actually took place:Which would be disgraceful. The kitman (Before it all blew up) talked of three days training at Espanyol on Twitter. Wouldn't be the first time the Guardian made a typo.
Which seems unbelievably negligent given we had a game on the weekend, and probably goes someway to explaining why we were so sluggish the first half.
He was left with a sow's ear, and tried to make a silk purse.
If you start with rubbish at the base, the house will tumble down.
Thank you Mr Pulis and co.
Whilst I appreciate Pardew is very much on thin ice I do not see him being given two games
If Lai did not want him then he would have gone by now in my view.
I am intrigued as to the road we will go down going forwards - we know Williams always favoured an experienced pair of hands so it will be interesting to see what Lai prefers.
As for the comments on Hammond, isn't he largely responsible for Pardew being here? They worked together at Reading if I remember correctly.
it's not looking good for Pardew if there's any truth in this, might be old news to some but I don't read national papers.
“Mr Lai is furious,†the Sun were told by a source in China.
“In China, discipline is a basic skill, the minimum required to be successful in any professional.
“He cannot believe that a group of players who are supposed to be all pulling their weight in getting out of trouble in the league cannot stay out of trouble off the field.
“It has raised serious concerns about Pardew’s leadership because he is the man who should be setting an example.
“And it seems unbelievable that he has even allowed there to be a situation where four senior members of his squad can act like that.
“Lai is not a patient man. He expects results. He won’t be sacking Pardew on this issue alone.
If Pardew thinks that 3 hours preparation for last weekends game was in someway adequate then he is even more incompetent than I feared.It was in the media so it must be true presumably? It seems to me that the 4 defeats we've had since the run of 1 defeat in 7 games has turned things into an increasingly hysterical witch-hunt, where every conceivable stick, regardless of its origin or veracity, is being used to beat the manager with.
It was in the media so it must be true presumably? It seems to me that the 4 defeats we've had since the run of 1 defeat in 7 games has turned things into an increasingly hysterical witch-hunt, where every conceivable stick, regardless of its origin or veracity, is being used to beat the manager with.
Let me ask a question - Pepe Mel's record with us was 3 wins in 17 games IIRC. At the end of that season, a poll on here showed that 80% of those who voted wanted him to stay on as manager (I was one of them). People knew about the senior players rebelling against Pepe, along with a truly dismal performance up at Sunderland in our penultimate game followed by defeat at home to Stoke in the final game, and yet the result of the vote was very clear-cut.
Obviously, a lot of you who voted in that poll for Pepe to stay now want Alan Pardew to be sacked. My question to those people is, why do you feel differently in the current situation compared to then?
Thanks Alan for the wonderful performance Saturday! We would now be playing Wigan if we'd managed to turn up from the kick offThe way this season is going, we’d probably have lost.
Mel was different though. That summer the squad was going to be dramatically overhauled. Similarly to how it looks like it will be this summer. Mel showed competency, Pardew has done anything but.
Mel was different though. That summer the squad was going to be dramatically overhauled. Similarly to how it looks like it will be this summer. Mel showed competency, Pardew has done anything but.As you've said, our squad will be overhauled this summer, as would have been the case then for Pepe Mel. Pardew has signed just 2 players compared to Mel's none. A lot of people will disagree with you about Pepe's competency. The reason I wanted him to stay was I saw glimpses of a style of play which excited me and also that he it would be unfair for him not to have the chance to have a go with some signings of his choosing. Since Alan Pardew's been here, I've seen similar glimpses in our play, albeit without the results, as was the case back then. A very good run that was developing was disrupted by key injuries, even before Sturridge lasted just 3 minutes against Chelsea. We really haven't had much luck this season.
I don't think we're playing badly, I just think we look tired against lively opposition, & I'm starting to get concerned about the goals we've recently started to concede.Too many, too far.
Gareth McAuley has been an excellent player for WBAFC, but this is a season too far for him.
I don't know who's responsible for putting the squad together, but we're starting to creak a bit now.
You lost me at the Sun and then again at "a source in China". I'm guessing Hoi Sin.
Oh to be in a business that you cannot fail in eh lads?
Win and you are well paid and successful, lose and your sacked and paid a shed load of money.
Chance would be a fine thing.
None of us know the secret of a good managerial appointment, is suspect the board doesn't either. I am hoping he doesn't get sacked Saturday night because I am flying from the US for this game and I would just like to see us win in the premier league one more time.
It was in the media so it must be true presumably? It seems to me that the 4 defeats we've had since the run of 1 defeat in 7 games has turned things into an increasingly hysterical witch-hunt, where every conceivable stick, regardless of its origin or veracity, is being used to beat the manager with.
Let me ask a question - Pepe Mel's record with us was 3 wins in 17 games IIRC. At the end of that season, a poll on here showed that 80% of those who voted wanted him to stay on as manager (I was one of them). People knew about the senior players rebelling against Pepe, along with a truly dismal performance up at Sunderland in our penultimate game followed by defeat at home to Stoke in the final game, and yet the result of the vote was very clear-cut.
Obviously, a lot of you who voted in that poll for Pepe to stay now want Alan Pardew to be sacked. My question to those people is, why do you feel differently in the current situation compared to then?
I think the comparison with Mel is an interesting one. A lot of people me included were desperate for Mel to work because he bought the prospect of an aggressive high pressing game. The problem for Mel is that the squad he had was completely unable to deliver it and while Downing and Kiely were pilloried for it they did have the sense to realise that.
Mel was an unknown quantity and seen as the victim of the club's structures and unwillingness to indulge their Head Coach. Pardew who has only ever worked in England and as such fans are much more aware of his earlier failings and there have been times both at Palace and Newcastle where his sides have looked shambolic.
Really don't get the love in with Dan Ashworth.
Dan was Technical Director from December 2007 to September 2102. In that time we had two seasons in the Premier league 2002/3 when we finished 19th & 2008/9 when we finished bottom. For the remainder of his tenure we were in the Championship.
Since Dan left, we have spent 7 consecutive years in the Premier League.
IMO Dan's strength was in the development of the Academy, & it was that work which won him the job of Director of Elite Development for the FA.
As far as I am aware, Dan did have an overall responsibility for recruitment, but I don't believe he was involved in the detail that he is being credited with.
With the stories about the possibility of AP's reign being over sooner rather than later I have to say I just don't see the point of getting rid now. If we lose to Huddersfield will sacking Pardew help us stay up? IMO no as there will almost certainly be a gap of at least 1or 2 games before getting a new man in and we could well almost have the (R) by our name by then.
I find it a little strange that the press are reporting that Mr Lai will 'Do Anything' to keep the club in the Premiership. He could have spent last month on properly strengthening the squad. Regardless of FFP he could have 'over spent' and accepted the inevitable fine in the summer. Rumour that he is angry, and that Pardew may only have the Huddersfield game to save his job. As others have said, its a complete mess now, and unless you pay a huge bonus to a potential manager, who would consider the role??
The structure is still there, it was Hammond who recommended Dan Ashworth to JP.
There's nothing much wrong with the structure we have, IMO the big problem we have been left with at the moment, is JW giving TP too much power.
There is always a risk in buying players, some come off, some don't, this season's crop haven't. The problem is, we've spent all of our money on high cost, allegedly safe bets who have been anything but. In hindsight, we may have been better off taking a risk on a few unknowns
I would imagine that there is enormous pressure on the management team to deliver for the new owners, I'm not sure DA had that same pressure.
Overall this season we've had some rotton luck with injuries, perhaps a balance from last season when we had some good luck, but if you put all your eggs in one basket, & you drop it.........................................
I get what you're saying but playing devils advocate it would give the new manager a bit of time to assess his squad ahead of next season.
He's still here then. I have an inkling he'll be gone before the weekend.
I was hopeful with AP because his approach would create more scoring opportunities, but it's painfully how similar the results have been in league play:
Tony got us 27.78% of the points we played for under him. Alan has gotten us 20.5%.
Tony's squad scored at 0.75 goals/game. Alan's squad is scoring at 0.69/game.
Tony's squad gave up 1.42 goals/game. Alan's squad has given up 1.46/game.
Really don't get the love in with Dan Ashworth.
Dan was Technical Director from December 2007 to September 2102. In that time we had two seasons in the Premier league 2002/3 when we finished 19th & 2008/9 when we finished bottom. For the remainder of his tenure we were in the Championship.
Since Dan left, we have spent 7 consecutive years in the Premier League.
IMO Dan's strength was in the development of the Academy, & it was that work which won him the job of Director of Elite Development for the FA.
As far as I am aware, Dan did have an overall responsibility for recruitment, but I don't believe he was involved in the detail that he is being credited with.
Really don't get the love in with Dan Ashworth.
Dan was Technical Director from December 2007 to September 2102. In that time we had two seasons in the Premier league 2002/3 when we finished 19th & 2008/9 when we finished bottom. For the remainder of his tenure we were in the Championship.
Since Dan left, we have spent 7 consecutive years in the Premier League.
IMO Dan's strength was in the development of the Academy, & it was that work which won him the job of Director of Elite Development for the FA.
As far as I am aware, Dan did have an overall responsibility for recruitment, but I don't believe he was involved in the detail that he is being credited with.
......(for instance I'd say Barry was a Pulis target, where probably Krychowiak was a Hammond one).
Yes i know it's Facebook but there are claiming Evans has been given the Captaincy back.Any truth in this?
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11261033/jonny-evans-to-be-restored-as-west-brom-captain
Big if I know, on account if it being Sky, but if this turns out to be true, wel, that’s pretty appalling.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11261033/jonny-evans-to-be-restored-as-west-brom-captainWeak Mangement by Pardew not going to help his case to keep his job
The following extract from the article linked below contests your suggestion regarding Krychowiak, remembered it from the time.
Weak Mangement by Pardew not going to help his case to keep his job
Yeah, cause he always told the truth. :-X
Give it a rest man he's gone.are you sure? his name pops up a lot for someone who isn't here anymore.
One of the most popular chants nowadays is "xxxx is one of own, he's one of our own...." fans love youth development, we want to see kids develop into successful players, Dan Ashworth presided over that and also was also head of the team that got in players like Mulumbu, high energy and combative again what the fans want to see.And how many of our youngsters have made an impact in the Premier league ??
DA was headhunted by the FA for a national role which he has held now for 5? years, clearly he is a talented and respected person, add to that 'he's one of our own... and it seems pretty clear why most baggies hold in high esteem. You old cynic ;D
Saw on twitter that he still have two more games to save his job.
But I think it would be too late if we lose two more games, at that time relegation is inevitable even we hire Guardiola.
At the press conference Pardew has enthusiastically announced that Livermore is available for Saturday....but still no Sturridge. Oh what joy.
Should AP get the chop next week how soon do you think it will take to appoint the next permanent manager ?
Should AP get the chop next week how soon do you think it will take to appoint the next permanent manager ?Need to pass him on the way out or no point
Just looking at the names in the betting odds, should Pardew be sacked, none of them inspire me with a great deal of confidence. In fact, Pardew looks as good as any of them.
Just looking at the names in the betting odds, should Pardew be sacked, none of them inspire me with a great deal of confidence. In fact, Pardew looks as good as any of them.
Just looking at the names in the betting odds, should Pardew be sacked, none of them inspire me with a great deal of confidence. In fact, Pardew looks as good as any of them.
8 points in 14 games is an appalling return. Like it or not the club made a grave error in removing Pulis from his post when they did. If you set a bike up to race off road, you can't put Valentino Rossi on it and expect it to win on the track.
We were set up one way. To change that with a manager who left the Premiership with a record that was as bad as the person we were shipping out has been a catastrophe.
Spot on, once we started the season with Pulis players we should have stuck with him, as has been said, he should have gone at the end of last season and appointed a manager with ability and vision with the ability to sign his own players.he would of brought us down as well. chairman foooooooooooooooookd up in summer keeping the clown
8 points in 14 games is an appalling return. Like it or not the club made a grave error in removing Pulis from his post when they did. If you set a bike up to race off road, you can't put Valentino Rossi on it and expect it to win on the track.
We were set up one way. To change that with a manager who left the Premiership with a record that was as bad as the person we were shipping out has been a catastrophe.
He's turned us into a worse team than under Pulis. At least under Pulis you knew what the game plan was even if you disagreed with it. Under Pardew I have no effing idea what pie plan Is. Seems to be hoof it forward and be completely disorganised at the back.
Only beaten 1 any of our 'Rivals/Must-Win' since he took over in 9 attempts!
Palace 0-0
Swansea 0-1
Stoke 1-3
Everton 0-0
West Ham 1-2
Brighton 2-0
Everton 1-1
Southampton 2-3
Huddersfield 1-2
He has to leave tonight and his replacement given the next 10 games to prepare for next season.
No one can say based on a 1000 match managerial career that Pulis wouldn't have won 3 or 4 of those matches.
He's turned us into a worse team than under Pulis. At least under Pulis you knew what the game plan was even if you disagreed with it.Pulis is at least as culpable for the mess we're in as Pardew, if not more so. Pardew's failure doesn't suddenly make Pulis Corberan and, if we ever appoint someone of Pulis's ilk again, my love for the club will be severely and permanently diminished.
No one can say based on a 1000 match managerial career that Pulis wouldn't have won 3 or 4 of those matches.
I wanted Pulis sacked, and it was the right decision to sack him (although it should have come much, much earlier).
But everyone knew that Pardew was a pathetic, unimaginative and uninspiring appointment.
Restricting ourselves to "experienced", British head coaches (and players) rather than looking for young, talented ones (whether here or abroad) has played a substantial part in this mess.
No one can say based on a 1000 match managerial career that Pulis wouldn't have won 3 or 4 of those matches.
You're right, but why would you take a 1000 game sample? Pardew has a 41% win ration over a 800+ game career.
Pulis was on course to take us down. Pardew has continued us on that path. It isn't about Pulis vs Pardew. It is about Williams, Goodman, Hammond, Lai, and now Jenkins.
We need a rethink on strategy from the top down.
Would sack him in a heartbeat tonight but the problem that creates is WHO would take the job with a likely relegation added to their CV? May as well see out the season and see who is available then as Smith won't come while Brentford are sniffing around the play offs anyway
I wanted Pulis sacked, and it was the right decision to sack him (although it should have come much, much earlier).Every single word of this I agree with.
But everyone knew that Pardew was a pathetic, unimaginative and uninspiring appointment.
Restricting ourselves to "experienced", British head coaches (and players) rather than looking for young, talented ones (whether here or abroad) has played a substantial part in this mess.
Its simple really.
If you buy rubbish players and hire rubbish managers for years then sooner or later you will come undone.
Irvine, Mel,Pulis, Pardew - four bad managers (lets not debate the what ifs)
Coupled with some of the signings we have made. Jesus, its a miracle we werent relegated sooner.
Give it a rest ffs he's gone and thankfully history's
Nearly right fella... 3 consecutive comfortable midtable finishes.
Give it a rest ffs he's gone and thankfully history's
Nearly right fella... 3 consecutive comfortable midtable finishes.
I feared it was a bad appointment but it's beyond that.
WAS 100% THE CORRECT DECISION TO SACK PULIS however the replacement was abhorrent, and that has cost us. A step forward to go 2 back.
I would get rid of him and carver and let big dave get some experience until we get the right man because we have gone
We may be expecting AP to go, but if Jenkins is such a money man it will be cheaper to be relegated with Pardew than to pay him off and be relegated with someone else. I'm not holding my breath for an announcement, though I really hope I'm wrong.
Pardews record is 7 wins from 52 premier league games. Why on earth did we give him a job?
We may be expecting AP to go, but if Jenkins is such a money man it will be cheaper to be relegated with Pardew than to pay him off and be relegated with someone else. I'm not holding my breath for an announcement, though I really hope I'm wrong.Well we can only hope Jenkins realises it would be a calamitous decision financially to keep Pardew and if we do would more likely be heading for League 1 rather than challenging for promotion
Frantically refreshing Twitter, the OS, need a beer.
I know the feeling. Desperately hoping he who must not be named strolls through the door as a replacement and I can start to feel optimism again
I would have far greater respect for him if at least he held his hands up and admitted it's not working and resigned rather than waiting for the inevitable.
avada kedavra
I would have far greater respect for him if at least he held his hands up and admitted it's not working and resigned rather than waiting for the inevitable.Did Pulis do that?
Did Pulis do that?
prat still here? what time is it in China and is owner up?
He has to be sacked.
I don't think Pulis performances was quite this bad. Regardless of how boring we were, there was a game plan in place and we at least seemed capable of defending. We are now just a rabble, no idea how to attack and no idea how to defend.
I'd even take Megson at this point.
Lost my respect when he played any of the 'Barcelona (I don't give a sh*t about this club) four'.
Clearly not in touch with reality or the supporters.
Is he still here? Oh right we gave him a 2 1/2 year contract :)
No offense intended here but footballers and sports stars in general aren't in touch with reality. They've been rich and famous all their adult lives, so they've never had to work for anything and don't understand what it's like to not be able to afford things. I'd sack half the squad, starting with pards and carver. Utterly clueless.And that's the problem with paying millions a year to an average player - we all live in fear of losing ours jobs, and work our socks off to avoid it because we have nothing to fall back on.
Don’t you mean Abra Cadabra?
avada kedavra
Don’t you mean Abra Cadabra?
The more I think about it I don’t think he’s going anywhere until the end of the season unless we announce something Monday morning. Certainly don’t expect anything to happen tomorrow.So unfortunately he will be with us in the Chumpionship. :(
Get rid and at least have something fresh to look forward to next season , can you imagine Pardew and his tactics three times a week at that level ?
Yeah I'm surprised too , his other tactic is lumping a ball from wide to nobody .Don't even get me on about defence ,joke.
4-4-2. 1980's football when you had harder balls and rubbish pitches. Get the ball forward early, largely bypass the midfield who are there to run up and down and support at either end.
He's not the man to take us forward. I'm actually very, very surprised at how limited he is tactically.
Thinking about it this evening, I think one of our key issues with the squad is that most of them don't have anything to aim for/achieve anymore.Exactly. This is a major problem with our recruitment strategy. I find it tedious that supporters such as you and I can see this, but those who matter seemingly cannot.
I can't say every player in our team has this mentality but most are at the point in their careers where they must know that it is unlikely that they will improve as a player/get to a bigger club/win trophies etc
Thats why we are struggling to see a grit and determination to win, other teams want it more.
I look at clubs like Southampton, whilst they have not had the best season and could still go down they consistently purchase players around 20-24 years old who have potential and can go on to "bigger" things. They also trust their youth players who will obviously want to prove themselves
We on the other hand buy players like Barry. Lets be honest what mentality must he have coming here. He knows we are not going to win anything or push high up the league - hes achieved a lot in football and is just carrying on for the money. He doesn't have that extra determination in his head to battle for the wins (plus hes old and his legs have gone).
There are many other reasons and I could write pages but this has to be up there.
Exactly. This is a major problem with our recruitment strategy. I find it tedious that supporters such as you and I can see this, but those who matter seemingly cannot.
Another issue with this policy is that, financially, you're paying large salaries for players who are past their best, and for whom we will receive no money when they leave the club. Signing younger players represents a low risk, as even if you pay a few million for a promising young player, you're likely to recoup some of that if it doesn't work out. If it does work out, you potentially stand to make a huge profit. This strategy aided us very well under Dan Ashworth, and we have since swung way too far the other way.
We need to go back to focusing our recruitment on younger players, particularly those on the continent who usually represent better value than domestic-based players.
True. To the best of my knowledge we only have 2 players in our whole squad between the age of 20 and 27; Burke (21), Phillips (26).In the medium- to long-term this is a real problem for us. This means that over the next 2-3 seasons we will have to replace almost the whole squad - and with limited income from outgoings (as due to their age, we won't receive relatively large amounts of money for many players).
Hegazi and Dawson are 27.True but I meant between, as in 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26. Point remains, we haven't enough players in their early 20's, a hangover from Pulis's recruitment policy.
True but I meant between, as in 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26. Point remains, we haven't enough players in their early 20's, a hangover from Pulis's recruitment policy.
Hegazi and Dawson are 27.
Most people sayâ€but who’s available?†I think there are some talented younger managers around if we take a risk. Historically we have gone for people out of work (major part of the problem). Will we actually attempt to poach a decent manager from another team? Who was the last one Di Matteo?
never in all the years supporting this club have i ever felt there's no hope with 10 games left to play, we've been in bad situations before but we had a bit of fight in us whereas this lot have been waving the white flag since last July. I just hope the club have a ruthless attitude to turn this losing mentality into something bearing a football club for next season.
and he still thinks he can turn it around.
http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/925849692?-11200:789
Mo he doesn't but he wants the next 2 years salary he ain't going to resign. Same as pulis- greed
Whoever gave Pardew a three year contract needs to be sacked. Oh, come to think of it, he (they) have already! :'(
A West Ham mate of mine put his arm around me last night and said "i feel for you, i know how if feels, you've been Pardew'd."Some I agree, some strongly disagree
He should've gone in the week and we may have had a new manager bounce with enough time to turn it around. A new manager now has far too much to do, they'd basically just be adding relegation to their CV.
This season has been full of very bad decisions.
Pulis should've gone in summer
We shouldn't have signed so many midfielders
Pardew was the wrong replacement
Sturridge was a gamble that backfired
Krychowiak was a gamble that backfired
Barry was a bad signing
Brunt not starting enough
Rodriguez has been poor too often
Striker shortage never addressed
As everybody says - big changes needed, starting with Pardew this week. We don't want Hammond tasked with finding the replacement so he should go in summer and until then stick bloody anybody in charge. Shan and Moore?
If I were Lai, I'd be looking for big brush beginning with Pardew and Hammond but not ending there. Too little too late but a new start and approach is needed, top down.
Easily said, but I'm not sure GL has the knowledge to know who to appoint, I fear for our future as things stand.Its clear Lai has no knowledge of football , he let Williams be his hand. Its a worrying time .
Some I agree, some strongly disagree
Can we say we didn't address the lack of strikers, then complain about signing Sturridge ?
Not sure I really understand the point of sacking him now.
We're almost certainly not getting 18 points from the last 10 games Pardew or no Pardew.
So I think it makes more sense to sack him after the final game of the season, (assuming things don't change)
This then gives us over 2 months to look long and hard to try the right person who will take charge in the championship next season.
If we sack him now, sure we could stick Big Dave in charge for the final 10 games and then get a new manager in at the end of the season.
My only worry with this plan though is that it makes us look too trigger happy and may put off a manager with a good long term plan from wanting to join us
I’d be very surprised if the club weren’t already identified the man to take charge in the championship, especially after yesterday’s results.Most Probably but it is probably tried and tested and another Twonk or Dinosaur
I’d be very surprised if the club weren’t already identified the man to take charge in the championship, especially after yesterday’s results.
You have to hope that the club is thinking ahead now. Silva is the wrong choice for me - we need some Championship experience. I would go for Johnson at Bristol City probably. Very highly rated. But of course we need Pardew gone first...I am wondering why that hasn't happened as yet? He is finished as a football manager, looks lost and dispirited. Look at Villa - Steve Bruce doing a great job, will get them back up - we need that experience of the hard yards in the Championship. A good plan stops us becoming Sunderland or Hull.
I'm astounded he's still in a job.Maybe the 2 games to save his job by the media has legs after all
Maybe the 2 games to save his job by the media has legs after all
Monday morning announcement like Pulis?here`s hoping, has to go after terrible run, have got a chance to put points on board with new coach got foooook all chance with numb nut`s in charge.
If there is to be a sacking it has to be today or tomorrow. There is no structure in place apart from big dave who it would be grossly unfair on to ask him to take it on with James Shan . We effectively need a coaching team to come straight in , we wouldn't struggle to fill the vacancy even now there would be someone who could come in and think they can turn it round .Not if the player's don't comply which is the real problem imo
Not if the player's don't comply which is the real problem imoWe have a squad
We have a squadHow can anyone champion Gabr? No one seen him play yet and couldn't make the bench yesterday.he may well turn out rubbish
There are plenty players (Leko,HRK,Burke,Gabr,Field ) that whilst many might not rate, they at least have the "let's bloody try something different" support
And let's be fair, we have to try and do something
I'd go 5/3 at the back
I'd take the players in a room and I'd tell them that this is their time, they are playing for pride/a move/professional integrity.......you guys are my starting eleven for the rest of this season, there's are no points on the board , we go out , we play and we win
Foster
Dawson. Hegazi. Gabr
Brunt. Gibbs
greg Field
Burke. Leko
Sturridge (if unavailable then HRK or Rondon )
Bench would be
Yacob McLean gmac and 4 from the youth team (until chadli/Sturridge is fit)
Last few games we've been really poor defensively. As an assistant to Pardew, you would think Darren Moore has had some input into our defensive tactic that's clearly not working.
I think I might be tempered to bring Ben Garner back as a defensive coach.
Think garner was the attaking coach wasnt he?in that case we don't want him back, we've been rubbish in every department except goalkeepers this season.
We have a squad
There are plenty players (Leko,HRK,Burke,Gabr,Field ) that whilst many might not rate, they at least have the "let's bloody try something different" support
And let's be fair, we have to try and do something
I'd go 5/3 at the back
I'd take the players in a room and I'd tell them that this is their time, they are playing for pride/a move/professional integrity.......you guys are my starting eleven for the rest of this season, there's are no points on the board , we go out , we play and we win
Foster
Dawson. Hegazi. Gabr
Brunt. Gibbs
greg Field
Burke. Leko
Sturridge (if unavailable then HRK or Rondon )
Bench would be
Yacob McLean gmac and 4 from the youth team (until chadli/Sturridge is fit)
I can’t decide whether we are good enough but not trying, or we’re trying but not good enough!?
How can anyone champion Gabr? No one seen him play yet and couldn't make the bench yesterday.he may well turn out rubbishI'll thank you for agreeing with the other 92% of the selection then
I'll thank you for agreeing with the other 92% of the selection then
I have not championed Gabr, I've said that we need to try different, he was the defender that we originally tracked before we got hegazi, as I said we need to try different and there are plenty who need an opportunity
Percy in the Telegraph also stating he will get the Watford game.No, jokes are funny. I was angry when the twonk got appointed, and I'm even more angry now, as well as being pretty upset tbh.
Absolute joke.
Maths not a strong point Zips?It was a guess, and I'm really not that bothered.
Its actually 82%
I wouldn't select Gibbs either so that gets it down to 72%
Burke and Leko, both unproven at this level.
That's 54%
Percy in the Telegraph also stating he will get the Watford game.
Absolute joke.
We had a chance last week to still stay up. Poor, poor decision...again.
All we actually lost this weekend was a game, we remain 7 points from safety. I'm amazed we're not rolling the dice.
Do not get the point in giving him another game - if you do not want him then give him the boot. This just prolongs the inevitable.
I have to be honest here. The players have been told that if we go down, they get a 50% pay cut. If that alone doesn't give the players the much needed kick up the backside, then nothing will. Not sure if AP has the same wage decrease, but if the players can't up the tempo based on losing a ton of money then I'm afraid that's it.
The bloke should be on gardening leave. I don't see how delaying this is going to help. What if we win at Watford? Will he always be one game away? If so, I'd walk if I were him. You cannot fully concentrate on your job when you know your time is all but gone.
Can only be others turning the job down or Hammonds begged his mate another game. Any other club would have got rid by now , get ready for another 4 4 2 that doesnt fit and Barry strolling around.
I can see the logic of firing him although it is too late in the day. I can see an argument for leaving him there to the end of the season. I cannot see the point of firing him after we lose to Watford assuming that is the plan.Logic agrees with you,who in their right mind will rock up? Any good young progressively coach is probably in and around the championship play offs so count them out and the likes of Silva? Loffin no way will he rock up here
Tell's you everything you need to know about Pardew when somebody like Chris Brunt has a go at you regarding tactics .
Pardew out , embarrasing and pathetic.
You don't need to be a football genius to see 4 4 2 won't work with most squads let alone ours , somebody with half a brain and a bit less self loving would have had us right in the mix with a 4 2 3 1 or 451 . Id sooner Moore and James Shan see the season out that this clown with his note pad .
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God forbid this Saturday's match is postponed due to the weather! The agony would have to be drawn out for another week...
No point in getting shut now, it achieves nothing.
Hopefully the Brunt effect will do something, as Jacko says we lost no ground at the weekend, Pards needs to ring the changes big time and give us a side that will at least compete.
Ie no places for Phillips / Barry / Evans / Gibbs,
Bring in Field / Nyom / Ali Gabr / Yacob, and at least send the fans a message !
So what do they do of we fluke a win??
No point in getting shut now, it achieves nothing.
Hopefully the Brunt effect will do something, as Jacko says we lost no ground at the weekend, Pards needs to ring the changes big time and give us a side that will at least compete.
Ie no places for Phillips / Barry / Evans / Gibbs,
Bring in Field / Nyom / Ali Gabr / Yacob, and at least send the fans a message !
I'm trying to be constructive here. Pardew is here. Hopefully , he realises he / we need something bold to at least make a statement , getting relegated whilst showing characterIf he realised that, he would have done it straight after the Barcelona fiasco. Has always been a weak manager, so not expecting any great changes any time soon.
On the surface, you think Pardew would have gone by now. There is still time for a recovery, even though it is a long shot.
I wonder if there's something going on in the background that has influenced the decision.
I'm trying to be constructive here. Pardew is here. Hopefully , he realises he / we need something bold to at least make a statement , getting relegated whilst showing character.
Reading Kev Phillips article in the E&S and reflecting on what Leicester did a couple of years ago, maybe a simple formation change to a 3-5-2 which would suit our players maybe. Not saying it'll pull up trees but I really think we need a drastic change of personnel and approach. Ultimately, we need to start playing players who may be here next year and jettison those who've failed time and again this year to show the requisite commitment.
Foster
Dawson Hegazi Evans
Nyom Gibbs
Yacob
Field Brunt
Rondon JRod
I know there are maybe 'better quality' players but I'd pick players who I'd be sure will give their all at the moment.
The one game scenario doesn't Italy with the ' lack of suitable candidates ' line being bandied about supposedly from within the club or should we be wondering who else is getting the sack this week !!??!!??
and yet you've picked Evans? If there is one player who since he's been playing this season has looked uninterested it's Evans.
Well , we're scraping the barrel a bit in relation to commitment however, I think Evans is one with professional pride at least or at the very least, he wants to protect his reputation for his next move maybe so may put in some better performances over the next few games? Some of the others I think are lost causes!
He will play the same starting XI and get the same result in next game.I don’t think the club do, I think they are struggling to replace him. Who’d say yes now when the can get in over the summer and not have a relegation on their record?
The club always misses the suitable timing to change the manager.
Based on our recent performance, really don't understand why the club still think that he can get a win against watford.
I don’t think the club do, I think they are struggling to replace him. Who’d say yes now when the can get in over the summer and not have a relegation on their record?
Glad to hear that Brunt has allegedly had a go at Pardew over us being outnumbered in midfield (again) on Saturday.I was watching that on a poor stream, and it was utterly gobsmacking, we went and them, got the early goal, then they reacted and flooded the midfield and we did nothing. No-one on or off the pitch even looked they had any idea what was going on, what we could do counter, what are they paid for? Brunt was as bad as anyone that day, fannying around on the edge of our own box why did no-one take a lead? That was the 30 mins that broke us imho.
It was obvious at half time of the first game against Southampton that we were hopelessly overrun in midfield and we changed nothing in that game or the cup game to address that.
Pardew has been very stubborn over playing two strikers and hasn't reacted to what's going on in front of his eyes.
I was watching that on a poor stream, and it was utterly gobsmacking, we went and them, got the early goal, then they reacted and flooded the midfield and we did nothing. No-one on or off the pitch even looked they had any idea what was going on, what we could do counter, what are they paid for? Brunt was as bad as anyone that day, fannying around on the edge of our own box why did no-one take a lead? That was the 30 mins that broke us imho.Agree that was a very frustrating and deflating experience watching that unfold.
can not believe he`s still here what the hell is Jenkins doing get rid man bloke is foooking clueless. >:(
So what do they do of we fluke a win??
I'll probably show my backside in Burton's window.What a shame there is no "Like" button..... :D
So we sack Pardew and then appoint a replacement meanwhile the heirarchy isn’t in place, what then happens when new chairman has other plans, answer = more chaos!! The right thing to do is to get a proper plan in place not knee jerk
Blimey! We agree on something. That's got to be a first :)No I remember when you said you would support Jeremy thou thick and thin ..... Corbyn that was â¤ï¸😍😘
No I remember when you said you would support Jeremy thou thick and thin ..... Corbyn that was â¤ï¸😍😘
Those mystified why Pardew is still at the club need look no further than a sentence from last night's Express & Star report that he's staying at least for the Watford game: "the lack of credible alternatives is giving them pause for thought". They're obviously unable to find anyone of a decent calibre who's prepared to take on the situation we're currently in. This shouldn't come as any surprise - if you think about it, who'd want to come into a desperate situation of near certain relegation, along with senior players, who ought to know better, behaving like schoolchildren? How would that coming into that maelstrom be good for anyone's managerial career?
It'll be different at the end of the season, when we might be a more attractive proposition as a Championship club with parachute payments trying to get back into the Premier League. Right now, we're in a horrible mess with no obvious immediate way forward....
This is quite interesting (not the article, but the location of it's source)
https://nypost.com/2018/02/26/the-premier-leagues-biggest-embarrassment-picked-the-worst-savior/ (https://nypost.com/2018/02/26/the-premier-leagues-biggest-embarrassment-picked-the-worst-savior/)
Pardew's tenure at the club has been so negative the board is better off leaving someone like DM in charge in the interim until the end of the season.How would it benefit Big Dave's future career prospects to do that? Regardless of that, as far as everyone outside the club would be concerned, such an appointment would be waving the white flag when there are still 10 games left. That's not a good signal to be sending out.
I think the actual article is very interesting too John, shows if nothing else what a world-wide embarrassment we have become and everyone seems to have been able to see it happening before our very eyes apart from the people right at the top of the club who have just left things to drift to the extent that we are at the stage we are at now.
I think "left to drift" is a bit harsh.
We don't know what constraints Williams & Goodman had to work within.
I suspect that sacking Pulis & the subsequent sacking of Williams & Goodman were both "knee jerk" reactions, with no plans for who was going to replace them.
Jenkins now finds himself in the same position, with no suitable replacement for Pardew
I wonder if Lai is starting to realise he's out of his depth, & is looking for a buyer, that's the reason I copied the New York Post article.
There was talk some time ago that Lai had received an offer from a US consortium, but turned it down.
We're in a huge mess, it's scary.
I read with interest the differences of opinions on these posts, but...
I can't get my head round anybody who says we didn't lose ground on Saturday. Simply, yes we did. We now have to pull a 7 point deficit back in 12 games not 13 so yes we lost ground. If 2 games to go we are still 7 points behind then we are gone no matter that the points differential is the same.
So yes the gap is still the same but FACT ground we lost.
Whether that means the time is tight for a change is open for conjecture, but the fact that we didnt xlxose ground on out rivals on saturday is not
I read with interest the differences of opinions on these posts, but...it's now a 7 point deficit to turn around in 10 matches.
I can't get my head round anybody who says we didn't lose ground on Saturday. Simply, yes we did. We now have to pull a 7 point deficit back in 12 games not 13 so yes we lost ground. If 2 games to go we are still 7 points behind then we are gone no matter that the points differential is the same.
So yes the gap is still the same but FACT ground we lost.
Whether that means the time is tight for a change is open for conjecture, but the fact that we didnt xlxose ground on out rivals on saturday is not
I don't think anyone coming in now though would have much to lose though would they? Nobody is really expecting anyone to be able to come in and actually keep us up but what would be expected is someone being able to generate a bit of enthusiasm, fight, hunger and commitment which is quite obviously currently lacking. In that respect, someone coming in now and putting a bit of passion back into the club would be seen in very much a favourable light both amongst our own support and the wider football community, so it certainly wouldn't be seen as a blot on their record.
How would it benefit Big Dave's future career prospects to do that? Regardless of that, as far as everyone outside the club would be concerned, such an appointment would be waving the white flag when there are still 10 games left. That's not a good signal to be sending out.It would worse leaving this moron in charge after all thats gone on let alone the performances on the pitch , each week he tells the press how much experience he has yet each week we can see the same system and issues while he stands in his school shoes and a shopping list in hand.
It would also give a new manager the ideal opportunity to see the cr*p in the squad during competitive games rather than in summer training and friendlies in order to have a clear out before next season.
You know as well as I do that won't happen.
We'll still be figgin around at 23.59 on August 31st waiting for a 35 year old journeyman to become available on a free transfer.
The World Cup will only make your prediction more accurate as business and of course then the crumbs will fall from the table even later than usual.Pretty sure the window for perm signings shuts at the start of the season .Loans only from then til end of August I believe
The club have given up, they are not going to throw the last dice.
After defeated by watford, the club will say no one can save us in this situation so we will let Pardew stay until the end of the season.
How would it benefit Big Dave's future career prospects to do that? Regardless of that, as far as everyone outside the club would be concerned, such an appointment would be waving the white flag when there are still 10 games left. That's not a good signal to be sending out.
The club have given up, they are not going to throw the last dice.
After defeated by watford, the club will say no one can save us in this situation so we will let Pardew stay until the end of the season.
Pretty sure the window for perm signings shuts at the start of the season .Loans only from then til end of August I believe
I would guess there’s absolutely no chance of Pardew being gone before the end of the season unless he walks away himself.
It would be almost impossible to get another Manager/Coach in, after all, we are doomed so who would want to kick off the relationship with the club on that footing.
We are down, Pardew is here until the end of the season (or maybe until relegation is confirmed), then the fun and games start again with him and hopefully most if the rubbish in the squad moving along as well. In the meantime the club should be looking to find a replacement to come straight in as soon as the door shuts behind him and begin rebuilding.
With the story that broke on Sunday evening, they now have to sack him if we fail to win on Saturday. They've painted themselves into a corner
Wonderful news
Pardew wants to stay on even if we do down(Daily Mirror)
I wouldn't read to much into it or expect him to say anything less. He's hardly going to say " as soon as I've helped this lot get relegated I'll be offski".
Wonderful news
Pardew wants to stay on even if we do down(Daily Mirror)
of course he does, why would he walk away and get nothing when he knows he'll get a pay out when he is sacked
sending Mr Lai a message ! ?
Something along the lines of 'you know your investment that I have just halved in value? I can do it again if you like' ........ ;D
Something along the lines of 'you know your investment that I have just halved in value? I can do it again if you like' ........ ;DI think he could quite easily achieve what your humour suggests.
fans are baying for his head and now player`s are questioning his coaching tactics and formation. Why has he still got his job? jenkins the blokes position has become untenable get rid.Can I ask where this is so I can judge for myself?
Be interesting to see if we keep an out an out 4-4-2 on Saturday...I'm betting we will see a change in formation and I'm betting we will see Brunt starting. Pardew will bow to pressure, especially as his own attempts at tactics and formation have failed so miserably. Watch him take the credit though if results turn around as a result.
I'm betting we will see a change in formation and I'm betting we will see Brunt starting. Pardew will bow to pressure, especially as his own attempts at tactics and formation have failed so miserably. Watch him take the credit though if results turn around as a result.TBH, i don't care about him taking credit, it would just be nice to win a game!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5456235/Alan-Pardew-one-game-away-sack-West-Brom-mutiny.html
Seems like it was not only Brunt criticising as this article also mentions Yacob.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5456235/Alan-Pardew-one-game-away-sack-West-Brom-mutiny.html
Seems like it was not only Brunt criticising as this article also mentions Yacob.
It has been widely documented that Pardew has little faith in Oliver Burke due to a mistake he made at WHU, and i'm going to make an assumption that Pardew has also found reason to criticise Field, judging by him being in and out of the first 11.The senior players don't ever make any mistakes of course. This discrimination against young players is something I've always been unhappy with Pardew about, although his predecessor was exactly the same in this respect as well.
Pleased some of the more experienced players are sticking up for the youngsters if the daily mail report is to be believed.
It has been widely documented that Pardew has little faith in Oliver Burke due to a mistake he made at WHU, and i'm going to make an assumption that Pardew has also found reason to criticise Field, judging by him being in and out of the first 11.
I hope the Whole Crowd who are at Watford Boo him and do what we did to Pullis.
Bye Alan. 442 again ffs.
On the plus side your best mate Rondon is starting up front again so I'm sure he'll rip Watford to shreds and fire us to three valuable points.
He's our best striker. The least of our problems with todays team.
Pardew just confirmed in interview we are playing with three in midfield so looks like 3-5-2.
Ah, 3 in midfield against Watford's 5, instead of 4 against 5 in the last couple of matches. Genius.
More like 433.
The back 4 are all warming up together.
Ah, 3 in midfield against Watford's 5, instead of 4 against 5 in the last couple of matches. Genius.
There is only one person I will be blaming at 16.55 and it won't be Brunt.
Then blame it on Brunty at 16:55. ;D
Goodbye you never stood a chance, take Hammond with you please
Get lost Pardew my good day is now ruined as to is my patience. I could just picture fans standing in the stands looking pied off and who could blaim them crape season had slight hope we could finish better than last season ah well at least I will on Fifa I will the league after this game as I already played it won about 8-0
Our team was just never as good as some fans seemed to think but Pardew has been disastrous.
In hindsight we should have sacked Pulis in the summer or stuck with him through the season. Sacking him half way through was always very risky.
Pulis a failure this season but a miracle worker last season. Spot on and I said over and over at the time, you don't sack Pulis mid season and expect to kick on.
Get lost Pardew my good day is now ruined as to is my patience. I could just picture fans standing in the stands looking pied off and who could blaim them crape season had slight hope we could finish better than last season ah well at least I will on Fifa I will the league after this game as I already played it won about 8-0One day, possibly even before you are 20 ( :), you will cry with happiness and pride at what out team has done. Honest.
Brunt blameless, Pardew clueless. His fault entirely :)
Then blame it on Brunty at 16:55. ;D
Sorry Jacko Pulis has to shoulder a large part of the blame. He had enough transfer windows that to leave such a one dimensional squad behind is poor management in anybodys language. This squad would have gone down with pretty much anybody in charge, 3 wins in 38 league games should tell you that
Pulis a failure this season but a miracle worker last season. Spot on and I said over and over at the time, you don't sack Pulis mid season and expect to kick on.
Can't afford to pay him off so your probably correct
Sorry Jacko Pulis has to shoulder a large part of the blame. He had enough transfer windows that to leave such a one dimensional squad behind is poor management in anybodys language. This squad would have gone down with pretty much anybody in charge, 3 wins in 38 league games should tell you that
One day, possibly even before you are 20 ( :), you will cry with happiness and pride at what out team has done. Honest.Yeah with History we might not have won much but what we have achieved and Players we've had are History and Brilliant
Sorry Jacko Pulis has to shoulder a large part of the blame. He had enough transfer windows that to leave such a one dimensional squad behind is poor management in anybodys language. This squad would have gone down with pretty much anybody in charge, 3 wins in 38 league games should tell you that
Sorry Jacko Pulis has to shoulder a large part of the blame. He had enough transfer qindows that to leave such a one dimensional squad behind is poor management in anybodys language. This squad would have gone down with pretty much anybody in charge.Agreed, we were bad before TP arrived, he shawed us up with hard workers which gained us the % wins against the teams around us for a while, then we were awful again. You could have put any manager you like up there this season, that lot would still be bottom. If you give easy goals away + can't score for toffy, you go down, that's football.
I hope by 7pm tonight he’s no longer at our club.That's too long.
Yeah with History we might not have won much but what we have achieved and Players we've had are History and BrilliantUnfortunately for you, you have joined us at a very depressing time. We are a mess just now, but at some point we will rise from the ashes. Being a baggies fan is like this - feel bad, feel ok, feel bad, feel s~~te, feel better, feel bad, feel bad, feel as good as it's possible to feel and then some. Lesson over :)
Theres a break in the contract apparently at the end of the season so I guess payment would be only until the SummerIf you are correct, I would imagine that the break only kicks in if we get relegated.If that's the case, sacking him now, when we are technically not yet relegated, might cost us a whole lot more in compensation. I haven't got a clue what is in his contract. If you are right, he needs to go today, but if I'm right I can see why they might not pull the plug immediately.
There’s absolutely no point in us hanging onto Pardew any longer. As his sacking is now a certainty I wonder if the mods will allow us to start speculating on his successor. We all need something to help us keep a positive outlook. Mr Lai has a major rebuilding job on his hands.
I cannot think of a single reason to keep him.Never wanted us to be a sunderland but I agree
He has to go.
If you are correct, I would imagine that the break only kicks in if we get relegated.If that's the case, sacking him now, when we are technically not yet relegated, might cost us a whole lot more in compensation. I haven't got a clue what is in his contract. If you are right, he needs to go today, but if I'm right I can see why they might not pull the plug immediately.
Couldn’t he be put on gardening leave?That means still paying him though, until he finds another job that he likes, and that may be a long time coming, so might mean us having to pay him for the rest of his contract, so not much point.
Theres a break in the contract apparently at the end of the season so I guess payment would be only until the Summer
Where does he stack in terms of records? Surely our worst manager of all time?
If you are correct, I would imagine that the break only kicks in if we get relegated.If that's the case, sacking him now, when we are technically not yet relegated, might cost us a whole lot more in compensation. I haven't got a clue what is in his contract. If you are right, he needs to go today, but if I'm right I can see why they might not pull the plug immediately.
Read it somewhere the other day, seems the break is for both parties at the end of the season, knew I should have kept it ::)Fair enough, should be gone tonight then, or Monday at the very latest.
The next appointment is key. Personally, I would like us to recreate our own identity by doing something a bit different. Go with someone with modern ideas, come up with a 3 year plan and see it through.............and so say all of us (except a very few who think we need to get someone in with "experience" who will "steady the ship")
If we stick with the failure merry go round then that's what will happen. We will either be a big (ish) club in the championship or cannon fodder in the Prem.
Let's buck the trend and think outside the box. Make us something to be proud of.
............and so say all of us (except a very few who think we need to get someone in with "experience" who will "steady the ship")
It's easy for us to say, but if you've got £200 million at stake you might think differently.Jeez, I hope you are wrong !! Do successful businessmen not become successful by thinking out the box, having a plan and possessing a thing called vision. We can dream.
Jeez, I hope you are wrong !! Do successful businessmen not become successful by thinking out the box, having a plan and possessing a thing called vision. We can dream.
As has been hinted at above....surely he must be on a bonus for keeping us up (approx. £3m at a guess).....if we sack him before we are officially down then where will that leave us - handing over the bonus anyway I suspect. If that is the case what's the point in sacking him tonight ?
I don't think our predicament is his fault, it goes back much further than that, but he has made many selection errors and I just don't think he is good enough.
Get a long term appointment in and at least let him assess what we need for next season.
In the grand scheme of things, whatever they have to pay this clown as severence will be small change.Offer to pay it then?
Look. There's 2 options. You...
1) get rid of Pulis on the belief someone can get better out of the players or...
2) you stick with Pulis in the belief he's getting the max out of players...
We chose 1) which is fair enough but, quite obviously, he's not doing what we hired him for. We should get rid.
Easy.
You mean Pardew?
Offer to pay it then?
How many people on here find it very easy to spend a few million of somebody else's money?
I agree with you on this. However, the appointment of AP has to be closely looked at, and if as many people on here state, if it was an old pals act with Hammond, then he has to go as well.
I agree.
Can't see us turning this season round now no matter who we get in charge that's why I'm not too fussed if he stays or goes after today's game. The season is done for me... it's too late and I feel the outcome is relegation with whoever we have in charge for the remaining 9 games.
The worry for me is that we get someone in for the next game or a game or 2 after that the club see as a long term replacement.... he fails to keep us up which is 99% likely and the fans turn on him and we end up in the same position going into next season.
Whoever took over from pulis was going to have a nearly impossible job on his hands, Pardew just didn't do himself any favours along the way.
I've gave up with this season now, couldn't really care what happens from now but aslong as the whole situation is addressed before the start of the new season and half of the current Muppets are gone I'll be happy and be back.
For now I shall just watch the dingles keep dropping points to keep some kind of positive mind ;D
That's how I see it too. If Pardew does go I think the best thing to do is appoint a caretaker manager....and make it quite clear that it is definitely a caretaker role until a new manager is hired at the end of the season. Nobody can possibly keep us up now so it would be cruel for the fans to have another scapegoat.
No point now.
However given the awful decision making both on and off the pitch of the last 18 months......We will probably sack him and send him away with a huge payoff....
What a mess!!
No point now.
However given the awful decision making both on and off the pitch of the last 18 months......We will probably sack him and send him away with a huge payoff....
What a mess!!
I think you do the fans a disservice there. I think all fans now realise that it's now a case of preparing for next season.
How the fans react depends on the type of appointment. If we appointed Neil Warnock for example the fan reaction would be quite interesting methinks. ;)
Other than for a nice big salary and an eventual huge pay off I predict no respectable manager will be joining our club should/when we sack Pardew.
Anyone who looks at our squad and how we have been playing would not touch us with a barge pole if they have any ambition/prospects.
Whoever chooses to take on the job will not be popular with 50% or more of the fan base (because ultimately they will be unproven/passed it/failed previously somewhere) who will turn on him at the earliest opportunity.
TP should have gone at start of season and we opened a fresh new chapter. Now we have to limp to the end of the season before starting again but from a far worse position.
In the summer maybe. Not now.
I don't agree with that at all. They will look at us being (probably) the wealthiest club in the Championship next season and I'm sure a lot of managers would see us as a great opportunity for them.
In the summer maybe. Not now.
Other than for a nice big salary and an eventual huge pay off I predict no respectable manager will be joining our club should/when we sack Pardew.Agree with the above , I called for a change in the Summer and got a bit of stick for it too ;D.
Anyone who looks at our squad and how we have been playing would not touch us with a barge pole if they have any ambition/prospects.
Whoever chooses to take on the job will not be popular with 50% or more of the fan base (because ultimately they will be unproven/passed it/failed previously somewhere) who will turn on him at the earliest opportunity.
TP should have gone at start of season and we opened a fresh new chapter. Now we have to limp to the end of the season before starting again but from a far worse position.
Any new appointment will be automatically looking towards next season now.
We are ideal for a young, ambitious manager who wants to manage in the Premier League but who can't / won't get a job there right now.
I know the mods don't like us naming potential replacements while a manager is still in the job but someone in the type of Graham Potter.
If I were one of the up-and-coming managers (Potter, Rowett et al), I would be delighted to take on Albion in the summer but not now. Assuming we get relegated they will forever have that black mark on their CV. I know they can always justify it in future job interviews by saying "It wasn't my fault, we were 7 points adrift with 10 games to play and the dressing room was a mess..." but failure still leaves a mark.
Of course the club may well be looking for someone who knows the Championship. I hope that isn't the only criteria though because you then just chop down your options.
Mr.potter and the two at the top of derby county would be perfect fit one is an ex Albion goalscoring legend,who will offer a lot more advice to our front two.
Get them in as soon as the season ends.
Give them a chance to rebuild actually I don't think that the majority of our squad will leave,chadli Evans Livermore perhaps,but you never know how a new manager coach sees their skills or position.
If we kept this squad we would win the championship I believe.
Mr.potter and the two at the top of derby county would be perfect fit one is an ex Albion goalscoring legend,who will offer a lot more advice to our front two.
Get them in as soon as the season ends.
Give them a chance to rebuild actually I don't think that the majority of our squad will leave,chadli Evans Livermore perhaps,but you never know how a new manager coach sees their skills or position.
If we kept this squad we would win the championship I believe.
Have a certain amount of sympathy as, not massive amounts, because as soon as Pulis got the bullet, and one else who came in was on a 'hiding to nothing' with what was left...............a team in free fall, ageing squad, no confidence ( at all ).
Also further, the rule of stopping teams from getting relegated is to stop leaking goals but that wasnt needed in our case, it was the complete opposite, we were'nt creating or scoring enough goals.
My old man used to say to me that your midfield dictates the game. They take pressure off the defence and create the chances for the strikers. Our midfield is rubbish, plain and simple. They cant trap a ball, cant pass, cant retain possession, no movement, no pace, no confidence. When was the last time you saw a midfielder run past a striker breaking from midfield and score.....................Therein lies the problem I.M.O
No point now.There is never a bad thing me to make a positive decision.
However given the awful decision making both on and off the pitch of the last 18 months......We will probably sack him and send him away with a huge payoff....
What a mess!!
Bang on about the midfield. But what sort of midfield composition do you think we need and would any of our current crop fit into it?There has to be a balance between attack and defence minded players in the midfield. No good being gung-ho and leaving the defence exposed or all sitting deep and creating nothing. We certainly need more mobile players thats for certain !!
Have a certain amount of sympathy as, not massive amounts, because as soon as Pulis got the bullet, and one else who came in was on a 'hiding to nothing' with what was left...............a team in free fall, ageing squad, no confidence ( at all ).
Also further, the rule of stopping teams from getting relegated is to stop leaking goals but that wasnt needed in our case, it was the complete opposite, we were'nt creating or scoring enough goals.
My old man used to say to me that your midfield dictates the game. They take pressure off the defence and create the chances for the strikers. Our midfield is rubbish, plain and simple. They cant trap a ball, cant pass, cant retain possession, no movement, no pace, no confidence. When was the last time you saw a midfielder run past a striker breaking from midfield and score.....................Therein lies the problem I.M.O
Agree to certain extent although Pardew might have helped himself a bit more than he has.That's why I said 'certain amount'......NOT 'Total'........... No he hasn't helped himself
Any appointment made now, in my opinion would not have a black mark against their name. We're down and out already. They would be hired under the objective of promotion, not survival.
Do you know what,I think they'll keep him until the summer now.
They would have sacked him by now,why don't they be decisive and say something like we'll review at end of season.
Apparently Arsenal have lost more times than anybody else in 2018 hmm I Sure Albion have if not we are Second
Yeah arsenal have lost 8 and we've lost 7 in 2018.We are better than Arsenal ;D
I suppose that's one stat Pardew could be proud of over Wenger ;D
I think it comes down to availability. I'm sure there's a whole string of mangers who'd be eager to take on the job, despite where we are, but most of them wouldn't be coming for the right reasons.Why would they be eager? All they'd be coming in to do is get a relegation on their CV. When the season ends and we've already been relegated, it might be a different story then, but few (certainly very few that fans would want to have) would be willing to come in now. If the Board had identified someone of sufficient statyre who was willing to come, it's likely that Pardew would already have gone.
Why would they be eager? All they'd be coming in to do is get a relegation on their CV. When the season ends and we've already been relegated, it might be a different story
Better for a new bloke to come now and get 9 free hits rather than looking at players in friendlies .
Better for a new bloke to come now and get 9 free hits rather than looking at players in friendlies .Not really if a large chunk are going to leave anyway. The squad that finishes this season will in all likelihood bar little resemblance to that that kicks off next season
What if the new bloke comes in now, wins the next 3 winnable games we’re right back in amongst it.. under pardew this lot will do well to get 1 point from the 3 games!This group of players have won 3 in the last 37 league matches under two different coaches. Good luck with three in three!
This group of players have won 3 in the last 37 league matches under two different coaches. Good luck with three in three!
Love your optimism. ;)
Who makes the decision on the next manager
I don't really care whether Pardew goes now or in two months time when the season is finally over...the main thing for me is that we are having the appropriate discussions behind the scenes to recruit the next man. If it saves us money by waiting until we are mathematically down (if that is what any break clauses are dependent upon) then that is fine by me, just please get the next appointment right after all you have messed up in the past 18 months.
if he's not sacked what was the point of giving him 2 matches? or was it just the media who spun that line.
Express and Star reporting the sameDoesn't make sense
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/03/04/west-brom-boss-alan-pardew-escapes-the-sack-due-to-improved-performance-at-watford/
Relegation is virtually certain regardless now so it matters little really, the important work at the moment is behind the scenes as much as on the pitch.
The problem is we probably aren't doing work behind the scenes.Is that supposed to be a joke?
The guy in charge of finding our next manager happens to be Alan Pardew's good friend. The most likely scenario is if we pick up a few points he'll convince Lai that Pardew needs a pre-season here and a chance to build his own squad.
Doesn't make sense
Something's afoot here
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/04/alan-pardew-granted-another-life-west-brom-no-candidates-interested/
Looks like another week because nobody wants the job
Is anyone surprised? We have historically employed out of work managers so why would anyone else leave their job at this stage. I assume we are waiting for someone with "premier league experience" to become available...(that williams / hammond comment still annoys me). Carvalhal and Javi Gracia wouldn't have even been considered...
We have historically been cheap (so we won't sack Pards) and with such little vision for a creative managerial option. I think Pards will stay till the end of the season (we won't win another game) and we will part ways as they won't have to pay compensation.
What a complete mess, fancy throwing away 7 years of the premiership with a whimper.
Convinced that if we sacked him earlier before this run of games we could have stayed up.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/03/04/alan-pardew-granted-another-life-west-brom-no-candidates-interested/
Looks like another week because nobody wants the job
Difficult to argue that no one else is/was available when BCFC have just appointed Gary Monk
Maybe he was one of the "not interested" group.
We're in disarray, both on & off the field, Mark Jenkins has a massive re-build job to do.
I thought your "closing down sale" comment on another thread was very apt, describes us perfectly at the moment,
Folks, you can get as indignant as you want, but it's abundantly clear that there's no-one who we'd want to have who will consider taking the job at this point in time, given the position we're in and, as baggiejohn has said, with us having no chairman. It would be a maelstrom for anyone to come in to, and those who might otherwise be interested are obviously understandably reluctant at present.You're missing one thing here , If Pardew scrapes a few points during the last run there's every chance he could start in charge next season especially if Hammonds still around. Awful, weak manager as proven here , a clean break is needed asap IMO.
Things may change once it's mathematically certain that we're down but, by then, they may well look at it that it wouldn't make any sense to sack Pardew at that time and pay him compensation, if indeed we would be liable for that.
One thing's for sure, we'll have to hit the ground sprinting at the end of the season.....
You're missing one thing here , If Pardew scrapes a few points during the last run there's every chance he could start in charge next season especially if Hammonds still around. Awful, weak manager as proven here , a clean break is needed asap IMO.If we go down, I can't begin to imagine that Pardew would be kept on. For one thing, it would mean there would be a negative/downbeat attitude amongst the fans going into next season, whereas a visionary managerial appointment and some good signings would at least generate some renewed hope.
Glad we didn't get Silva, not convinced by him at all. Failed to keep Hull up last season with more games to play than we have and started okay at Watford before being found out.
Weirdly the article has a photo of Rondon with the caption" Rondon was at fault for Deeney's goal" below it. Could have sworn it was a mix up between Brunt and Krychowiak, nothing to do with Rondon.
If we go down, I can't begin to imagine that Pardew would be kept on. For one thing, it would mean there would be a negative/downbeat attitude amongst the fans going into next season, whereas a visionary managerial appointment and some good signings would at least generate some renewed hope.While his mate Hammond is about I wouldn't rule it out , the powers that be have never bothered about us fans before hence Irvine in the past. First step to correct things for me is getting rid of Pardew and Carver straight away , that alone would give us a lift ready to go into the new season.
Can't believe what I'm reading. Well that's me finished I'm not bothering to go on Saturday. If the club's not bothered why should .Season ticket also up at the end of this seasonWell I will still go - having been there vs Plymouth when the black bag of rubbish was thrown in the pitch at Stacey North - I think we still have some hope and things aren’t that bad just yet
Convinced that if we sacked him earlier before this run of games we could have stayed up.
Agreed on that one. There had been signs leading up to the first Southampton game, but in that game the chickens all came home to roost and it was abundantly clear he hadn't got a clue tactically as he watched Lemina run the game for them, not once thinking about changing the system to load the midfield to stop him from dictating the game.You can add Watford to that , actually did Ok until they changed their system , nothing again from Pardew until too late.
He should have gone as soon as the full time whistle blew on that one. To watch him then repeat the same 442 system against them in the cup match was excruciatingly painful viewing. Clueless.
You can add Watford to that , actually did Ok until they changed their system , nothing again from Pardew until too late.
Saw none of the game at the weekend, but I can imagine how the tale of the tape would have looked.Agreed , as in my post earlier ....a few good results and they'll start the new season with Pardew. Probably give him a new contract too , that would be about right ???
Had a Blues supporting colleague come in to me today and say 'he's got to go now surely?'. I still find it amusing that people outside the club talk about us as if there is still some chance we will stay up. We have just lost to Huddersfield and Watford...surely even to the most optimistic person they can see that we are gone now regardless of who we may bring in.
As I said in an earlier post, write this season off, keep Pardew in until we can remove him in the most financially efficient manner for us and spend the next two months doing all that we should have done this time last season, and all I advocated that we should do this time last season, which is to identify the right man to take the club forward, get his contract agreed and get a head start on recruitment for said new man.
Sadly, this is West Bromwich Albion and we are far too shambolic for that to come to pass.
Agreed , as in my post earlier ....a few good results and they'll start the new season with Pardew. Probably give him a new contract too , that would be about right ???
Keeping Pardew on because the players showed ‘fight’
What about the tactical nous to win a match. That comes from the touch line and he failed.
Keeping Pardew on because the players showed ‘fight’
What about the tactical nous to win a match. That comes from the touch line and he failed.
Keeping Pardew on because the players showed ‘fight’
What about the tactical nous to win a match. That comes from the touch line and he failed.
While his mate Hammond is about I wouldn't rule it out , the powers that be have never bothered about us fans before hence Irvine in the past. First step to correct things for me is getting rid of Pardew and Carver straight away , that alone would give us a lift ready to go into the new season.
Knowing the Albion a few better performances and some points they will consider giving Pardew six months IMO and we all know his record at that level after going down with Charlton.
You can't get away from the fact the only football person on the board now is Hammond after Williams and Goodman have gone , the rest are bean counters , journo's or legal types.
We make a fight of this last 9 games ( which I'd want obviously) and I suspect Pardew stays if Hammonds still about.
Keeping Pardew on because the players showed ‘fight’
What about the tactical nous to win a match. That comes from the touch line and he failed.
There's not alot he can do about our inability to put the ball in the net. Particularly our main striker who manages to miss chances that alot of lower division strikers would put away. You could argue that he should have gone in for Deeney, where the difference in composure in front of goal between Deeney and Rondon was painful to see at the weekend. However, Sturridge is to my mind the better striker than Deeney, and hopefully we will still see some goals from him this season.
We created a reasonable number of chances on Saturday, Phillips had the beating of his full back and created some danger, but I agree that more needed to come from centre midfield and left side, where Gibbs has his defensive duties and McLean is more of a loose cannon.
Having the extra man in midfield did give us a bit more grip on the game, but it's the inability to put the ball in the net which is killing us.
Simple solution to the left side is Gibbs and Brunt. Brunt can let Gibbs bomb past him and can produce quality crosses from deep as he did twice v Swansea when Rondon got his hat-trick last season. Get Field in the centre alongside Krychowiak and Brunt out the middle as he is totally ineffective. Get Rodriguez behind Rondon or even Phillips with Burke on the right.Agree with your idea, I thought the similar thing before.
Sick of square pegs in round holes yet we still do it with arguably our most creative player.
Simple solution to the left side is Gibbs and Brunt. Brunt can let Gibbs bomb past him and can produce quality crosses from deep as he did twice v Swansea when Rondon got his hat-trick last season. Get Field in the centre alongside Krychowiak and Brunt out the middle as he is totally ineffective. Get Rodriguez behind Rondon or even Phillips with Burke on the right.
Sick of square pegs in round holes yet we still do it with arguably our most creative player.
Dunno. Brunt's big problem playing wing is his inability to get past his full back. Swinging in crosses from near the half-way line is not the same as cutting the ball back from near the deadball line. I should think most defenders would agree on that.
He has never been the sort to beat his full back, easier to let Gibbs run past taking the full back up and then he knocks back to Brunt. Both of the crosses Brunt put over for Rondon were from deep. He is not a central midfielder so he has to go wide or we play with a midfielder down (2 when Livermore who is a central midfielder plays).
After Swansea Pulis never built on that game and how we scored the goals, Pardew is making the same mistakes, not building on the good that is done.
To my mind wingers should be fast. The most dangerous ball is the one cut back from near the deadball line. Defenders hate them because they are usually facing the wrong way and it wrong foots them. But yes, if we haven't got a decent left winger (not convinced by McLean or Burke) then Brunty's long crosses from deep are better than nothing from the left flank. At the same time,let's not forget he has delivered some very incisive through passes from midfield.
Absolutely, and other than the Pole (and maybe a couple of cameos from Barry) nobody supplies the attack in the midfield. To me, as much of a sacrifice it may be to take him out of the wing, having Brunt in a midfield position with the freedom to roam around is a better tactic than just sticking him on the left.
In other words: Krychowiak + Brunt in midfield with Phillips/McClean on the wings (for example) has a better chance of creating opportunities than the Pole and one of Barry/Livermore/Yacob while we keep Brunt on the left and Phillips on the right.
OF COURSE one wonders what could happen if Field got a shot at that midfield role so you could keep Brunt on the left but it appears he won't be given the opportunity for god knows what reason.
Brunt has been tried in the centre by a number of managers starting with Di Matteo, it does not work, the odd thing here and there is not enough, we need proper central midfielders in that role.
Pardew is another who keep trying things that don't work.
agreed, but the options right now are:
- Krychowiak: undisputed starter. Will be gone at season's end. Will leave a huge void to fill.
- Barry: the game has past him.
- Livermore: Not great on either end. Better at breaking up play and getting the ball back than contributing on the attack. Therefore not a good option.
- Yacob: strictly a defensive midfielder.
- Field: potentially the right choice for that 3rd CM to pair with the Pole and one of Livermore or Yacob. Doesn't seem to be anywhere near the pecking order.
TP played a midfield of 5 with 3 CM's, usually the first 3 I listed above. That didn't work.
AP went with a midfield of 4 with the Pole and Barry for most of the time. That didn't work.
So now we're all screaming for a midfield of 5 again. The options are the same.
if Field isn't going to get a shot, I rather see Barry in there than the same 3 CM's TP used to call upon. I know damn well that doesn't work.
If we are keeping him until we are mathematically relegated, or until the end of the season, can Mr Jenkins please instruct the pillock to leave out some of the dross (take your pick) and give Gabr, Field, Burke, Leko, and Harper proper game time. Get Alex Palmer on the bench, and get fat backside as far away from the pitch as possible. As soon as relegation is confirmed let Ben give way to Alex and support him. Give the captaincy to Brunt, since he is the only senior likely to still be here next season. Tell Pardew to stop going on appealing for unity, we are past that stage now, it is over, we don't want him, or indeed most of the "team" currently masquerading as Premier League players.Surprised Myhill hasn't broke the Bench ;D
Not sure we can worry about who will be here next season so Krychowiak has to start, Field has to be in there, he has earned the right when he has been given his chance and if we have a 3 then Yacob can sit in there as well with Barry/ Livermore if we get desperate instead. No excuse for square pegs in round holes at this level of the game when injuries do not demand it.
Barry has not been as bad over the course of the season as some are making out, since the taxi incident he should be giving his wages back however.
I wrote that stuff on Krycho just to highlight how important it is to address this position in the upcoming transfer window. It was absolutely neglected all of this season. We agree on Field needing to get the call but there's no indication that he will, and if that's going to be the case I rather see Brunt in whatever midfield of 3 we can put together so the Pole doesn't have to be solely responsible for making plays in the middle of the pitch (as much as it may be a square peg in a round hole).
Yacob behind Krychowiak and Field is something I can be on board with regardless of whether it's 4-1-4-1 or 3-5-2.
and you're right about Barry, there were times earlier in the season when he turned in some of the best performances from our XI but he's been useless since Taxigate.
We're still only 8 points off safety. I'm no longer having that this relegation isn't Pardew's fault. The deficit has only increased by one point across the last 3 matches.
Pardew has certainly played his part, however no more than Pulis
My issue with Brunt in the middle is that i've seen it too often and be too ineffective too often whilst we struggle out wide which is were his best asset can be used, crossing the ball on the head of Rondon. He needs to be as far away from the centre as possible.A moot point I know, but if Brunt had been out wide, maybe there wouldn’t have been confusion with Greg over who was supposed to be doing what during the fatal mix up.
Far more.
If we win 2 and draw 2 of the 6 since Brighton we're out of it. He's now running along at 0.53 point per game.
Continuing with Pulis' points per game we'd now be sat on 24 points and still just in touching distance, which assumes no upturn at all...
Pulis got 10 points from his last 15 games, Pardew has 7 points from his first 15. A massive 3 point swing (and we would still be bottom of the table). Pulis, for the most part, has put Pardew in the position he is in.
Far more.
If we win 2 and draw 2 of the 6 since Brighton we're out of it. He's now running along at 0.53 point per game.
Continuing with Pulis' points per game we'd now be sat on 24 points and still just in touching distance, which assumes no upturn at all...
Pulis got 10 points from his last 15 games, Pardew has 7 points from his first 15. A massive 3 point swing (and we would still be bottom of the table). Pulis, for the most part, has put Pardew in the position he is in.
and who signed the likes of Livermore, Barry , HRK etc . to not blame Pulis for the squad left behind is ridiculous
No he (Pulis) hasn't. He left the club outside the bottom three, Pardew has taken it rock bottom and 8 points adrift of survival. Cannot sugar coat it anymore and I realise it leaves a vast swathe of Albion fans in the uncomfortable position of being badly wrong to the huge detriment of the club they love.
edit. and nearly missed it... Pulis only managed 12 league games this season... You do make me laugh fella.
and who signed the likes of Livermore, Barry , HRK etc . to not blame Pulis for the squad left behind is ridiculous
and who signed the likes of Livermore, Barry , HRK etc . to not blame Pulis for the squad left behind is ridiculousAgreed Pulis and the rubbish players he signed are too blame for the mess we are in plus the board members who failed to act by sacking him at the end of last season. Bloody disgraceful the lot of um! All out for themselves and what they can get out of it and sod the fans.
No he (Pulis) hasn't. He left the club outside the bottom three, Pardew has taken it rock bottom and 8 points adrift of survival. Cannot sugar coat it anymore and I realise it leaves a vast swathe of Albion fans in the uncomfortable position of being badly wrong to the huge detriment of the club they love.
edit. and nearly missed it... Pulis only managed 12 league games this season... You do make me laugh fella.
Feel there is more than one person sugar coating history here. To be clear if pulis had repeated his points record for the next 12 games we would have found ourselves joint bottom on 20 points. No better than where we were after 24 games.
It's easy to say we were 17th when we left but those who want to be pedantic could say we were top three 8 games earlier. Those who want to be statistical could say that Pulis only managed four points out of his last 10 games and if he repeated that over the next 15 we would have found ourselves on 16 points after 27 four worse than we did.
What is for certain is though our current manager has not turned things around, there is a factual statistical direction of travel that existed prior to his appointment no sugar coating or merely reducing relying on league table position can deny. And to suggest that it leaves a swathe of fans being in the uncomfortable position that they were badly wrong is actually insulting their intelligence for reasons outlined above. The stats simply don't point to a more favourable position if we kept Pulis.
And finally, though it matters not one jot. I think Pardews record might be 8 from 15 not 7 as suggested by original poster.
Both woeful records and both deserve the sack, no question.
The depressing thing is how similar Pulis and Pardew have been. Both persisted with tactical set ups that very obviously didn't work neither were able to work round Morrison's and Chadli's absence. Both continued with Senior Pro's horribly out of form rather than trust a youngster.
While Pardew's football is arguably better to watch than Pulis' he has more than made up for that by presiding over a decline in off field discipline which culminated in the ill fated trip to Barcelona.
Between them they have conjured up the perfect storm which will see us relegated in a season where given the sheer number of clubs that have managed to get involved in the relegation scrap it should have been possible to scramble clear.
Pulis might have been the architect but Pardew was the cowboy builder who carried on with the project long after it was plain that the whole thing was going to collapse with the first puff of wind.
The next appointment will be key to our future.
Enlist the services of another dinosaur and the future will look bleak.
I can't see us getting another manager in this season with relegation all but sealed.
We will be a much more attractive proposition next season as any prospective manager would expect to have funds at his disposal in order to make a return to the Prem and I would imagine we would be one of the favourites for automatic promotion.
Mark Jenkins has flown to China for talks with the owner, according to The Telegraph. We await his return with interest.
I blame a combination of Pulis, recruitment team and Williams for the squad Pardew inherited but for where we are now then Pardew and the players themselves have a share to take as well.
I am concerned that we are still being linked with players under Pardew that we were linked with under Pulis so who is doing the signing because some of the players we signed are not Pulis players yet we were told he had full control so somewhere along the lines it don't add up.
The depressing thing is how similar Pulis and Pardew have been. Both persisted with tactical set ups that very obviously didn't work neither were able to work round Morrison's and Chadli's absence. Both continued with Senior Pro's horribly out of form rather than trust a youngster.
While Pardew's football is arguably better to watch than Pulis' he has more than made up for that by presiding over a decline in off field discipline which culminated in the ill fated trip to Barcelona.
Between them they have conjured up the perfect storm which will see us relegated in a season where given the sheer number of clubs that have managed to get involved in the relegation scrap it should have been possible to scramble clear.
Pulis might have been the architect but Pardew was the cowboy builder who carried on with the project long after it was plain that the whole thing was going to collapse with the first puff of wind.
The blame for where we are is to be spread far and wide, with Pulis, Pardew, Hammond, Williams and the players all being particularly culpable. The man I hold with the highest proportion of the blame is Williams as he is the one who was tasked by the owner with successfully running the football side of the club and he has failed miserably and was rightly sacked as I called for a few weeks before it happened.
About nailed it with that post.Absolutely right. It's easy to jump on the hypothetical bandwagon, and say Pulis would have kept us up, but the truth is that will only ever be conjecture, never fact, it doesn't matter how vehemently someone tries to hammer the point.
We can discuss/argue about stats and facts all we like, it makes absolutely no difference as both are clueless.......
Absolutely right. It's easy to jump on the hypothetical bandwagon, and say Pulis would have kept us up, but the truth is that will only ever be conjecture, never fact, it doesn't matter how vehemently someone tries to hammer the point.
As far as i am concerned, Pulis laid a foundation of quicksand and instead of strengthening it, to build upon, Pardew has simply jumped in up to his neck.
They have both played a part in this shameful debacle so are both to blame. We need to move on from both of them.
Its symptomatic of the british management strategy of
"its not working, change the players, its still not working change the players again, repeat until patience or cash runs out" at which point manager leaves, joins new club and starts again. There is virtually no innovation, no radical coaching methodology employed, Arsene Wenger is still extolled as a revolutionary some 25 years later FFS.
In my mind we should try something different (it may or may not work) a South American or Asian manager perhaps? it can't be any worse than looking at the Alan Curbishley / Mad Mick / Colin list yet again can it?!
The FA have a lot to answer for in the lack of development of managers / coaches IMO, but what would you expect from a bunch of blazer wearing old farts in Lancaster Gate ?
Just listening to Ruud Hullit on MOTD 2 saying that the worlds best managers and coaches are now in the PL.No way could you describe AP as a world class coach.
Did I read somewhere that WBA are in the top 50 of richest clubs in the world? The Board have seriously sold us short with AP. IF we had got a world class coach in November I'm pretty sure we would not be in this position now.
Just listening to Ruud Hullit on MOTD 2 saying that the worlds best managers and coaches are now in the PL.No way could you describe AP as a world class coach.Top 30 at present but a severe drop in the rankings next season
Did I read somewhere that WBA are in the top 50 of richest clubs in the world? The Board have seriously sold us short with AP. IF we had got a world class coach in November I'm pretty sure we would not be in this position now.
Yes, bang on....and all too engrossed on selecting the interior spec for their latest Bentleys and Range Rover Vogues. Too many people far too comfortable financially to give two sh**ts about how we feel.As the National Lottery Says Nicer Problems to Have Leaving us fans to have All Sorts of s**t to worry about They don't have to worry about Paying Rent or Paying Bills it is easy for us Where as Us Fans Do I think the Team Should Remeber this and Give the Fans Fighting Spirit and try to tell us look we are in this together we are Willing to Fight to Survive. I'm 14 but know the Struggles of many of us fans.
No he (Pulis) hasn't. He left the club outside the bottom three, Pardew has taken it rock bottom and 8 points adrift of survival. Cannot sugar coat it anymore and I realise it leaves a vast swathe of Albion fans in the uncomfortable position of being badly wrong to the huge detriment of the club they love.
edit. and nearly missed it... Pulis only managed 12 league games this season... You do make me laugh fella.
I forgot, you don't count Pulis' record at the end of last season ;D. So no point comparing records of an equal number of games at the same level if it doesn't suit your argument.To start with, I'm not going to complain about Pulis being sacked - he was on a very bad run from the end of last season and the first dozen games of this, but the recent record of Alan Pardew dwarfs it whichever way you look at it. Whatever was the club thinking of when they appointed him? In 2016 Pardew had the worst record of any manager in all 4 divisions. The worst. Based on this, how on earth did the people at the top of our club come to the conclusion that he was the best man for the job? From the start of 2016 until he came to us, his teams had won a grand total of 6 matches out of 38. Did our directors look at this record and think that is the man to end our bad run? Yes, apparently, which has to throw into question their sanity as well as their competence. Taking into account his time with us, his run now reads 7 wins out of 53.
As others have pointed out already, not a great deal of difference between the mighty TP and Pardew.
The main difference between Pardew and Pulis is the following. Every interview on the website Pardew says we need to stick to the game plan, I don't see what the plan is or if it differs from game to game.
Under Pulis we have a plan defend well in numbers, try and counter or get a goal from set piece. Even though loads of fans don't like it, I would prefer Pulis plan because atleast you can work out what's going on, with Pardew I can't
The main difference between Pardew and Pulis is the following. Every interview on the website Pardew says we need to stick to the game plan, I don't see what the plan is or if it differs from game to game.
Under Pulis we have a plan defend well in numbers, try and counter or get a goal from set piece. Even though loads of fans don't like it, I would prefer Pulis plan because atleast you can work out what's going on, with Pardew I can't
Mark Jenkins is attending the Palm annual general meeting in the Far East and will hold discussions with Albion's owner Guochuan Lai over the club's future plans.
Jenkins, who returned to the Hawthorns last month after the surprise sackings of chairman John Williams and chief executive Martin Goodman, will be asked to make a speech at the AGM of Palm, the Chinese landscape design and construction company. And it is inevitable that Lai will also hold talks with Jenkins over the strategy for the future, with Albion bottom of the table and eight points adrift of safety.
The next appointment will be key to our future.[/b]
Enlist the services of another dinosaur and the future will look bleak.
I can't see us getting another manager in this season with relegation all but sealed.
We will be a much more attractive proposition next season as any prospective manager would expect to have funds at his disposal in order to make a return to the Prem and I would imagine we would be one of the favourites for automatic promotion.
I agree with almost all of this statement except the last line. Losing as many players as we will be and trying to gel a completely new team may not be as easy as we hope. You're right we should be a favourite but the Championship is full of teams that will be better than us.
You've obviously forgotten that we can’t string 5 passes together now, and Dawson most likely won’t be with us if we get relegated.
Not based on what I saw tonight, the supposed best team in the league and a home side with a relatively new manager only 9 points off the play-offs. Neither side could string more than 5 passes together and 90% of the players made Craig Dawson look like a superb technical footballer with ball at feet. Then I saw on twitter that Wolves were back to their best from numerous accounts. A really low bar if remotely accurate.
We'll canter that league next year, we don't even need a great managerial appointment to do it (just a competent one) as shown by the distinctly average RDM 9 years ago.
You've obviously forgotten that we can’t string 5 passes together now, and Dawson most likely won’t be with us if we get relegated.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-stars-shocked-alan-12145315 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/west-brom-stars-shocked-alan-12145315)
Piece from James Nursey which suggests some of the players are surprised that the club hasn't fired Pardew.
Sorry but that shows a shocking lack of self awareness and responsibility from the players concerned. Yes we might be able to say it so might the media because generally this level of performance results in the Head Coach being dismissed. However if you are culpable for our current plight it is wholly wrong to be looking to shift blame.
While I have little or no time for Pardew there is something rotten at the heart of this squad and it needs to be broken up.
So if Pulis hadn't lost the dressing room it would suggest the squad is clearly not the quality we thought it was. (No wonder Pardew is struggling. :P) Confirms it was correct to sack Pulis, albeit far too late. :D
The other way to look at it is that lots of people on here are adamant Pulis had lost the dressing room (he hadn't but that's for another day). This story CONFIRMS Pardew has lost it in 3 months. I'm in full agreement with these players his position should be untenable.
So if Pulis hadn't lost the dressing room it would suggest the squad is clearly not the quality we thought it was. (No wonder Pardew is struggling. :P ) Confirms it was correct to sack Pulis, albeit far too late. :D
I'd also go as far to suggest that Pardew never really had the dressing room, after all it is mainly made up of Pulis "workhorses".
I haven't clicked on the article, (the Mirror :-X ) are the players shocked by their own performances?
So if Pulis hadn't lost the dressing room it would suggest the squad is clearly not the quality we thought it was. (No wonder Pardew is struggling. :P) Confirms it was correct to sack Pulis, albeit far too late. :D
I'd also go as far to suggest that Pardew never really had the dressing room, after all it is mainly made up of Pulis "workhorses".
I haven't clicked on the article, (the Mirror :-X) are the players shocked by their own performances?
Not based on what I saw tonight, the supposed best team in the league and a home side with a relatively new manager only 9 points off the play-offs. Neither side could string more than 5 passes together and 90% of the players made Craig Dawson look like a superb technical footballer with ball at feet. Then I saw on twitter that Wolves were back to their best from numerous accounts. A really low bar if remotely accurate.
We'll canter that league next year, we don't even need a great managerial appointment to do it (just a competent one) as shown by the distinctly average RDM 9 years ago.
The other way to look at it is that lots of people on here are adamant Pulis had lost the dressing room (he hadn't but that's for another day). This story CONFIRMS Pardew has lost it in 3 months. I'm in full agreement with these players his position should be untenable.
Sorry but this does not CONFIRM anything, it's lazy journalism at best, no names mentioned, or quotes, just pure conjecture. Nor can you, or anyone else who wasn't there, prove that Pulis hadn't lost the dressing room. Whether he had or not will also remain conjecture.
The other way to look at it is that lots of people on here are adamant Pulis had lost the dressing room (he hadn't but that's for another day). This story CONFIRMS Pardew has lost it in 3 months. I'm in full agreement with these players his position should be untenable.
If there is any truth in this then i agree with Stan, its a shocking reflection on some of the players attitude.
If it is true then Pardew must know who the players are, he can probably gauge from performances, effort in training, body language, etc.
If i was him i would identify who they are, say right fellas (but not as polite), i am still here, will be for a bit yet and whilst i am you wont be playing again this season, you have been s**t for me on and off the pitch, and you will be training opposite times of the day to the rest of the squad, if we train mornings, the bomb squad are in afternoons, let the prima donnas know they dont rule the roost.
It doesnt really matter who the players are, most wont be missed, we are 8 points adrift for a reason.
We have a big squad, some promising youngsters, most around the club like fans, media, etc are already resigned to going down so its not going to damage the youngsters by playing them, it gets them valuable matches.
Players can act billy big balls and flash their egos when things are going well, when we are an embarassment like we are now they need to be put in their place, i would rather replace these bad eggs, even if it means playing the likes of Gabr, McLean, Robson-Kanu, Leko, Field.
At least those players may show a bit of bottle and pride, we lose ever week anyway so they cant actually be any worse.
Sorry but this does not CONFIRM anything, it's lazy journalism at best, no names mentioned, or quotes, just pure conjecture. Nor can you, or anyone else who wasn't there, prove that Pulis hadn't lost the dressing room. Whether he had or not will also remain conjecture.
The biggest issue for me this season is that the players are just not committed. Yes, coaches pick teams and conduct training and have a big input but these players have been poor for too long now ( a calendar year pretty much) under different coaches. Also, players we've signed haven't changed it and seem to have made us a worse unit than we were with a squad assembled pre Pulis.
When we went down in 2006, there was a lot of discussion about some of the players being a bit rotten then. All season, this bunch have had the same feel to me - going through motions whilst others feel they're better than Albion.
After relegation in 2006, we began again with a new core of the squad and rebuilt - look what happened. Not saying it'll be as easy. It's just too simple to blame Pardew for all of this mess we have now. Yes he's contributed to it but this relegation was coming from a couple of years ago but really began gathering pace a year ago. The issues in the squad just weren't addressed in the summer enough.
It's simple in some ways that the club and Pulis haven't built a squad good enough (talent or attitude) to stay up, that's now clear and Pardew isn't able to turn this around either.
Best to just start again in the summer and please get some of these players out of here asap so we don't have to see them sauntering around the pitch next year or collecting a huge wage for not playing due to yet another injury.
No just confirms we were on a poor run. The first of his tenure that mattered. Also by your theory it means he is an absolutely fantastic manager for getting what he got out of them last season... can't have it both ways ;)
If he had lost the dressing room we'd have heard stories like this one. They don't exist.
Pardew was given every chance by the squad but has been found out almost immediately by them and all but a few ABP's in the fan base.
Subs in Field. Correct call.Nothing Pardew does makes any sense. Get him out now.
Subs out Krychowiak. AWFUL call. The Pole had been by far the best in thr midfield 3 today and wasn't on fumes.
Just doesn't make sense.
Nothing Pardew does makes any sense. Get him out now.What's the point - we're already down, means we'll have to pay him millions in compensation. Lets wait for relegation to be mathematically confirmed and sack then, in line with the break clause.
What's the point - we're already down, means we'll have to pay him millions in compensation. Lets wait for relegation to be mathematically confirmed and sack then, in line with the break clause.
What's the point - we're already down, means we'll have to pay him millions in compensation. Lets wait for relegation to be mathematically confirmed and sack then, in line with the break clause.It would be value for money!!
Either way, I can't help but feel he'd have already gone if Jenkins/Lai were going to act before relegation is confirmed.
It's not your money so I have no idea why you care? Get rid and try and restore some pride and momentum going into next season.
Pardew's tenure at the club has been so negative the board is better off leaving someone like DM in charge in the interim until the end of the season. The news of Brunt's lashing out against him make it clear he has lost the locker room. Who in their right mind believes this team is going to come out with any kind of cohesion against Watford? His record at the club + the Barcelona incident + last week's L in a must-win and winnable game are his 3 strikes.
Everyone and their momma know he's done here. There isn't a single positive for the club in keeping him here another day, let alone another game.
It's not your money so I have no idea why you care? Get rid and try and restore some pride and momentum going into next season.
Go! Go! Go! Resign but No you wouldn't do that because it's all about the money,buts that's the greed league for you .Absolute Rubbish . Can't tell me there's not a hungry young manager out there with fresh ideas who would snatch our hands off for the job. :o
Go! Go! Go! Resign but No you wouldn't do that because it's all about the money,buts that's the greed league for you .Absolute Rubbish . Can't tell me there's not a hungry young manager out there with fresh ideas who would snatch our hands off for the job. :oYou kid yourself mate,no one of any worth will rock up to have a certain relegation on their CV,leave it until summer and let pardew have the blot on his CV,there will be a better pool to fish in end season
Why o why can a contract not have if you **** it up we don’t pay you? As they get it in the first place by saying they can keep you up??? Which in this case has not happened. Where others have done it so should get a bonus by doing it..? Just saying.Personally, I think this was the reason Williams was sacked. Lai was probably wondering why they gave this clown a 2 year deal and no way out other than to sack him and pay it off. Under Peace I believe we were always on a rolling 12 month contract, correct me if I'm wrong.
He should be sacked IMMEDIATELY.Pardew wouldn't have been most fans choice, but sack him or keep him, makes little difference, as we'll likely appoint another mediocre idiot because the club is being badly managed from the top down and in a really serious mess. When a club have massive issues both on and off the field it never ends well, as we have all seen before in Leeds, Sunderland, Forrest, etc. This situation we see on the field has been happening to us gradually for a number of seasons now, and the really sad thing is no one has arrested it, we've just bounced from one poor decision to the next. :(
6 defeats in a row. He turns West Bromwich Albion into a joke.
The decision to sack him is not about to turn things around (as we are down with no doubt),
it's the club to send a message to the fans that they won't let the club going down like free fall.
We deserve better. Pardew OUT.
We probably can’t sack him without paying him off until the summer. And with money going to be tight next season we’re probably counting the pennies.Agreed, for 2 reasons:
I’m all for sacking him now but not if it costs us a lot of money. We’re down anyway.
Has he spoken yet?!?
I'm not going back this season.I agree that some kind of gardening leave would be the best option. Pay him until we can terminate his contract at the end of the season. Until then a caretaker role for Big Dave with a view to bringing in a manager as soon as the season is over. The next managerial decision is critical - get it right and next season could be really exciting but get it wrong and we could sink like Sunderland.
If the team won't try I'm not wasting my time and effort.
Pardew should resign.
Can't we put him on gardening leave because he's absolutely killing the club.......???
If Pardew isn't sacked after a 4-1 defeat at Home by the time Mod Ends Then I'm not Paying any more attention to this Season anymore I will Just watch Walsall or if worst comes to the Worst The Local Football Teamget down the grove; support needed!! (and enjoyable, old school and great banter)
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Incredible press conf from Pardew. Criticised his players for giving up in the last 15 minutes, laid into Krychowiak for not shaking his hand, and announced he was going to speak to the board about his position. His reaction online soon...
Should stress that Pardew also said he was going to keep fighting - unlike his players. Not expecting any sort of resignation, but he knows he's on the thinnest of thin ice.
Blame the players publicly in the press conference.
Why a manager like this can still keep his job ???
get down the grove; support needed!! (and enjoyable, old school and great banter)Where's that I live on the Darlo/Wednesbury Border and I'm 14 so don't really know where Stuff is. Apart from a Few Places in West Brim, Birmingham and Most Of Walsall
Can honestly see a Big Dave/Brunt caretaker combo if we axe Pardew, though it may not happen until we have the word "relegation" next to our name (not that long to wait...)
But why wait? Don't have to pay any compensation for a fictitious bonus if he is on gardening leave from tonight. Pardew needs to be embarrassed and humiliated for wanting the sack and an early pay off. If we do this he will never work in the premier again which has to be a small positive.
1 win in 16. Have we got our club back yet?
I would still rather play Champuonship football than have Pulis as manager.He did a lot better than this clown we have in charge now.
There are two events that have ruined our club completely, the first is Peace leaving and the second is Tony Pulis. Good night!
7 wins in his last 54 premier league games....our manager folks. Yep he still has a job. Makes Alan Irvine look like Sir Alex :)
A pearl of wisdom from Dion Dublin on Final Score
"I would keep Alan Pardew because they aren't going to get out of it.
"And what kind of manager do you need when you're in the Championship? An Alan Pardew."
Only if we want to crash straight through the division do we need an Alan Pardew.
There are two events that have ruined our club completely, the first is Peace leaving and the second is Tony Pulis. Good night!
I would still rather play Champuonship football than have Pulis as manager.
With Pardew in control ?
With Pardew in control ?
Pardew said he's played the pole even when he's not been playing great so he was upset by not getting a handshake,how pathetic can he be?
Why did he play him then?
Why not put Field in instead then?
Poor management, poor decision making.He took the wrong player off.
He stays till end of season to take the humiliation of our supporters,then sacked after the match.
One win in16 is it,who else in the real world gets paid for failure and mismanagement in Spain for example.
At one time WBA used to be a lot of peoples second club now Pardew & Pulis have made us a laughing stock and I don't like it.
No sacking yet and no gardening leave let him face the fans.
Pardew said he's played the pole even when he's not been playing great so he was upset by not getting a handshake,how pathetic can he be?
Why did he play him then?
Why not put Field in instead then?
Poor management, poor decision making.He took the wrong player off.
He stays till end of season to take the humiliation of our supporters,then sacked after the match.
One win in16 is it,who else in the real world gets paid for failure and mismanagement in Spain for example.
At one time WBA used to be a lot of peoples second club now Pardew & Pulis have made us a laughing stock and I don't like it.
No sacking yet and no gardening leave let him face the fans.
So he was upset he didnt get a handshake. Oh Boo Hoo should be concentrating on getting results that is the most important thing. Think he is trying to deflect the blame away from himselfMakes you laugh doesn’t it, I mean he could’ve broke club rules and ignored a curfew, gone to a fast food joint in the early hours of the morning and then stole a taxi (allegedly).
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43360246
Why does he have to wait for a meeting?
Decide to go now and fall on his sword.
Apart from the monetary aspect, resigning would be an admission of failure, just can't see him doing that.
I'm expecting a "mutual agreement" statement within the next 24-36 hours.
Apart from the monetary aspect, resigning would be an admission of failure, just can't see him doing that.
I'm expecting a "mutual agreement" statement within the next 24-36 hours.
At least he might leave Soon And hopefully Big Dave in Charge I'm Still trying to find when he kicked Ronaldo into the air as my dad told me about it
Pardew's term reminds me of the Saunders regime when it seemed that he was trying to run the club down by playing the few better players we had out of position, and trying to sell fans favourites or just not playing them. Needs to be dumped before he sets us back too far to recover just like Saunders did
Ohh so he didn't do Ronaldo then
Yeah. Big Dave did Rooney.
Morrison did Ronaldo in his Boro days.
Ohh so he didn't do Ronaldo then
A pearl of wisdom from Dion Dublin on Final Score
"I would keep Alan Pardew because they aren't going to get out of it.
"And what kind of manager do you need when you're in the Championship? An Alan Pardew."
Only if we want to crash straight through the division do we need an Alan Pardew.
I'd rather have Alan Partridge
At least he'd be funny!Not probably - definitely!
Pardew and the board need to strike a deal as he's already gone. Will probably go down as one our worst ever managers!
I'd rather have Alan Partridge
I'd rather have Alan PartridgeSo if you suggest managers linked as his replacement (in articles out today) you get you post removed but you can post 'I'd rather have Alan Partridge'.
So if you suggest managers linked as his replacement (in articles out today) you get you post removed but you can post 'I'd rather have Alan Partridge'.
Oh, ok.
‘Let me tell you a story. In fact, it’s called the ‘King story’ among those who were present and who believe it’s a perfect example of Pardew’s arrogance. We were staying at a hotel in the North East ahead of a game at Sunderland during Alan’s first season in charge and were about to have our Friday evening meal…I sat down with Pardew…and fitness coach Tony Strudwick, who now works for Manchester United and has done very well for himself. We ordered our meals and suddenly Pardew asked us all what were were having. I think Eddie said he’d gone for the chicken, while I’d chosen the steak.
‘Pards then turned to Struds, who revealed whatever it was he’d asked for. ‘That sounds good,’ said Pards. ‘Tell you what; if yours is better than mine when it turns up, I’m having that. That was one of the things he’d always say: I’m having that. ‘See that bloke’s haircut. I’m having that.’ He said it all the time. Anyway, I wasn’t ‘having that’ at all. So I said ‘Well, you’re certainly not having my dinner. You’ll get a fork in the back of your hand!’ Pardew sort of laughed, before turning back to Struds and saying, ‘Yeah, if yours is better than mine, I’m having that.’
‘Our meals eventually arrived and Pards looked at Tony and said, ‘Yeah, I was right, yours definitely looks much better than mine; I’m having that.’ And he went to swap the plates over. ‘You can’t do that!’ I said. ‘What do you mean?’ he asked. ‘You can’t just take somebody’s else’s dinner,’ I said in disbelief. And he replied, without any hint of a joke, ‘When you’re the King, you can do anything.’
We don't let people name names until the position is vacant so suggesting i'd rather have fictitious character in reply to someones post is hardly the same is it now ?Have seen people share comments like yours i/n past though and had them removed or have been sneered at .. double standards.
Have seen people share comments like yours i/n past though and had them removed or have been sneered at .. double standards.
There was nothing wrong with pointing out the Daily Star story, was pointing out there are not many viable options should he go ... I wasn't advocating he be sacked.
So will say it again. IF Pardew goes, am worried about the links to a dismal group of managers (who I can't name apparently).
Have seen people share comments like yours i/n past though and had them removed or have been sneered at .. double standards.
There was nothing wrong with pointing out the Daily Star story, was pointing out there are not many viable options should he go ... I wasn't advocating he be sacked.
So will say it again. IF Pardew goes, am worried about the links to a dismal group of managers (who I can't name apparently).
Oh quite agree. 'Not advocating he be sacked' was the wrong turn of phrase. I want him out and am just frustrated that can't talk about the dismal managers we are are being linked with already.
There's your first mistake. With a couple of obvious exceptions most people on here would have taken more than 8 points from the last 16 games.
Oh quite agree. 'Not advocating he be sacked' was the wrong turn of phrase. I want him out and am just frustrated that can't talk about the dismal managers we are are being linked with already.
Feels like a proper click on here at times.
Understand #wbafc have no imminent plans to change head coach, despite 4-1 home defeat to #lcfc and 6 straight Prem losses. Bosses feel same as before Saturday - that sacking Pardew now won’t improve remote chances of staying up, would be costly, and still no obvious replacement.
Unbelievable.
Understand #wbafc have no imminent plans to change head coach, despite 4-1 home defeat to #lcfc and 6 straight Prem losses. Bosses feel same as before Saturday - that sacking Pardew now won’t improve remote chances of staying up, would be costly, and still no obvious replacement.
Unbelievable.
If that's true you can count me out then for the rest of the season. The club and fans would be galvanized together under big Dave and say brunt with him. It's not about staying up now, that's gone but it would bring everyone together. Total insult this is
People keep advocating Big Dave as caretaker
Sorry but because he was a cult hero doesn't make him managerial material. Personally I think it would be like Connor at the Dingles the season they went down
People keep advocating Big Dave as caretaker
Sorry but because he was a cult hero doesn't make him managerial material. Personally I think it would be like Connor at the Dingles the season they went down
Can I just point out that he was given an extra week in charge because no one of any note wanted the job. What could possibly have changed in a week, other than us losing another game?
We're still 8 points adrift with one less game to play. I want him gone as much as anyone, but if he goes now and our board panic and put someone in charge who is another Pardew then it will be worse. And yes, things can be worse than they are.
I want him gone, but given the choice and thinking about what's best for our future, I'd keep him until someone we actually want becomes available, who doesn't distance himself from the job. We all know we're doomed to relegation, and no manager out there can prevent it. Best to all chill out and see the season out and hope that we appoint someone fresh for next season.
To be honest, pretty much anything would be better at this point than hanging on to a manager who has overseen a pathetic run of results and a fiasco on a so-called warm training trip which genuinely brought the club into disrepute. The only reason Pardew still has any association with this club is the cost of getting rid of him so soon into his contract. I would GENUINELY rather have a random fan speak to the players and pick a team until the end of the season when we are relegated. Keeping the current set-up just continues the current rot of a whole team that has given up and has no real motivation.more worried if his mate Hammond is trying to keep in job for next season only down the Albion.
:D wheres that from ?
Totally disagree.
As long as they only appoint until the end of the season it will give the whole place a huge lift.
Yesterday was totally unacceptable on every level. Far worse than anything we've ever put out in the Premier League compounded by an absolutely baffling after match interview.
The worst manager in our history is always the current manager. It's like listening Americans talk about their president. We all wanted change and we got it. But it hasn't worked the way any of us hoped.
I personally quite liked Pepe Mel, but I seem to be the only one. The players didn't like him. I remember hearing Olsson complaining about an IT man translating his messages. Looking back, he seems to be the one every said was our worst modern manager.
And obviously just my opinion now, but things could be worse, as we could have played badly throughout the season. But we haven't. Since Pulis left we've actually played some nice football and been unlucky in a lot of games. The Brighton game was outstanding from beginning to end and we took our chances. But sadly in a number of other games we have failed to take chances. So yes, it's generally been quite awful, but Pardew has brought one or two moments of happiness in an overall bleak season.
By this time for the last 2 Sunday's the club had leaked to both local and national press that Pardew was safe.
No such stories have appeared tonight.
Fingers crossed.
:D wheres that from ?.
I think it is now quite apparent the rumoured "break up clause" is actually a thing. We could sack him now and pay off his contract which would cost a good few million and no one will take the job because they don't want a relegation on their CV. I can see the club sticking with Pardew (as frustrating as that is) until we are officially relegated so we can sack him and not have to pay the Muppet a penny.
Sky reporting no immediate plans to sack again. Unbelievable.
The time to have pulled the trigger was when we lost to Southampton (the first time) and it became pretty apparent that he was tactically clueless. Now it really doesn't matter either way
Sky reporting no immediate plans to sack again. Unbelievable.
Just don't appoint the moron in the first place.
Surely it is paramount to do what is best for the club?Getting a reaction out of this bunch of overpaid no-hopers is mission impossible, that's why nobody wants the job. They've got no fight or desire in them, mainly because most of them think it is just the club going down and not them and, you know what, they are probably right.
1. Getting rid of this muppet from the touchline and day to day management.
2. Not paying him a penny in compensation if there is a break clause.
3. Getting some kind of reaction in the final 8 games.
Stick him on gardening leave until we are relegated then sack him. If by some miracle the team win 6 games and we stay up, pay him his £1m bonus then sack him immediately. Hopefully we can handle his departure in such a way that everyone knows what a tool he is.
Getting a reaction out of this bunch of overpaid no-hopers is mission impossible, that's why nobody wants the job. They've got no fight or desire in them, mainly because most of them think it is just the club going down and not them and, you know what, they are probably right.
If we stick Pardew on gardening leave, who takes over?
Nothing has come out of the club yet. Wilson has just done an opinion piece on the situation. I'm still hopeful we will announce today.Matt Wilson@mattwilson_star
Matt Wilson@mattwilson_star
Alan Pardew is expected to remain as #wba head coach for now despite inviting the board to sack him after seven straight defeats.
Once again gutless decision by the board. Pardew blamed the players and the fans but he still keeps his job.
To be honest I'm not too concerned whether Pardew stays or goes for now. We are down so it doesn't really matter who is in charge in terms of it having any affect on our Premier League status.
The club is in a mess. Unless I've missed something we don't even have a chairman do we?
Lai sacked John Williams and Martin Goodman so it's up him to put into place the people that he wants. I'm not sure how he does that I can't imagine him being very well connected inside football, but it needs doing.
I don't want Pardew here next season the man is an awful manager / head coach.
I don't know who is making what decisions at the club at the moment but it all looks an absolute shambles.
Would it be better to go into the last 8 games without a head coach or to have a head coach that can't affect a change for the positive?
As it can't get worse only better,keep him then sack him at season end.
I want the club to save his failure payout and to be there to face the fans.
Then ruin any chances he has of coaching/ managing in the premier league again.
As it can't get worse only better,keep him then sack him at season end.
I want the club to save his failure payout and to be there to face the fans.
Then ruin any chances he has of coaching/ managing in the premier league again.
7 defeats in a row and 8 games to go.
Pardew criticized his players publicly and the players lost faith in him obviously.
Based on our recent form and poor relationship between Pardew and players, I don't think we can think win or even get 1 point in the remaining games.
In a worst-case scenario, we may go down with 15 defeats in a row.
It would be painful for the fans but it seems that the board don't care about that.
If the board really want to prepare for next season, they should sack Pardew now. Let Big Dave takes charge and give more game time to Field, Burke, Leko and Harper in the remaining games.
It would seem as you say obvious the players have lost faith with Pardew, but they have to take an equal share of the blame for the trouble we are in as the table does not lie.
Now we know what the clubs intention is (keeping Pardew until the end of the season due to the lack of manager options and the break clause), and also with the press reporting on our targets for the summer today. Are we getting close to the time we can discuss the next appointment?Not yet , we know nothing from the club or trusted sources yet. Wouldn't surprise me if Pardew starts next season with Hammond in his corner.
It is just as clear to everyone that pardew will be deleting, as clear as it was before Pulis did no?
You would like to think that Hammond has come back from China with some clear direction.I wasn’t aware that Hammond also went to China
I cannot see how the Board would sanction another compensation payment, as lots of folk have said, get him on gardening leave and let Brunty run the team!
A really funny and very apt Sunderland take on Pardew from a few years ago. Some things seemingly never change do they.Very funny, and the sort of thing that you might have imagined that the term "due diligence" might have thrown up before we appointed him?
https://rokerreport.sbnation.com/2012/10/18/3520372/why-i-dont-like-alan-pardew
Very funny, and the sort of thing that you might have imagined that the term "due diligence" might have thrown up before we appointed him?
Southampton have sacked their manager at this late stage whilst they still have a chance of survival while our board have been totally inept by not sacking AP a few games ago and of course making a very poor choice in the first place as the replacement for Pulis. Think it is pretty clear that the board have accepted relegation.
1. There's a thread elsewhere to discuss Southampton
2. Leave the rumours off the forum regarding his personal life
If it were you or me or anyone for that matter with a ounce of common sense he would of been gone after the Southampton cup game. I would of been contacting replacements behind his back who know the situation and would of been willing to manage us in the championship and appointed them the Monday morning after that cup match. This board are totally out of their depth. Hammond gets questioned occasionally on here and on social media but he doesn't get slated anywhere near enough in my opinion. He is the one responsible for most of these poor signings and the poor decisions regarding management.
On the E&S podcast yesterday Matt Wilson said that often Hammond would approach Pulis with a list of players and Pulis would say something along the lines of “Thanks Nicky but I’m going to ask my mate to sort me out a playerâ€.
Ultimately Hammond has been in control for one window, and we managed to sign Sturridge. Yes he got injured but it was a risk we decided to take and one we all agreed at the time was worth taking.
Hammond deserves criticism for appointing Pardew, again Matt Wilson said Hammond was a big driver for appointing him, and if it was up to me he should be sacked for that. But he shouldn’t be judged on signings and scouting.
You continuously slate Hammond, I can only assume you have some insider information.Disliked by the fans, disrespected by the players, losing matches week after week, and no sign of any of it changing any time soon. Whatever reputation he may have had in some quarters is now in tatters. He won't get another job at the top level. Surely he must be considering seriously giving up being a manager and concentrating on media work, before he loses whatever little dignity and credibility he still has left.
It's been a major point on here that Pulis was something of a control freak when it came to recruiting players & it was that which caused us to have an unbalanced squad.
John William's statement in August/September 2016 & the Camacho incident tends to support that view. It's also been said, for some time, that Head Coaches have the final say on who is hired & fired.
So are you saying that's not the case, & Head Coaches have to deal with players they are given?
Hammond deserves criticism for appointing Pardew, again Matt Wilson said Hammond was a big driver for appointing him, and if it was up to me he should be sacked for that. But he shouldn’t be judged on signings and scouting.
Then you have to ask the question 'what has he been doing since April 2016?
An interesting post, but the anomaly for me is the acquirement of HRK, a former Reading player. We all thought it was strange when it happened. So what brought an out of contract player to West Brom of all clubs?
I answered you question in the first paragraph. He’s been scouting and having his recommendations rejected. He’s obviously been employed under a longer term vision than Pulis was so they kept him around developing the network.
So do you know this for a fact Hampshire? I am not being awkward but we all seem to be in the dark over what he actually does. I would have thought that after the 3rd time Tony told him to 'do one' he would have learnt........
Just read that Pardew will be boss until summer regardless of what happens, then a new manager will be brought in. Apparently it will be easier to fire him in the summer due to a clause in his contract.
May as well get to all the matches you can and enjoy the final few PL games we'll see at the Hawthorns for a while.
I understand yesterday's meeting was at the training ground, which means that all of the players would have been available.cheaper to sack him you mean, well why bother turning up for remaining games as club have given up on trying to stay up , will they partially refund season tickets?
I suspect that Jenkins would have pulled them all together & read the riot act, including playing the personal pride card.
We'll see!
https://streamable.com/zt7foCan mean one of two things, poor manager appointment or poor team. It's probably a bit of both. Our midfield balance is dreadful without Morrison and Chadli.
A great visualisation I found of the sackings of managers in the Premier League this season. We're the only club to have had the replacement pick up fewer points per game than the previous manager
Pardew to remain until the end of the season.
Jenkins leading an inquest into what has gone wrong.
Source: E&S
The final nail this season.
The fact the guy heading the root and branch investigation is not a football man makes it utterly pointless.
Roll on May.
Purely a money thing , blokes useless and Hammond should probably pay the price for backing him too.
Thats killed any real match day interest I had left !
I don't think it's purely a money thing, it looks as though Jenkins has told Pardew in no uncertain terms he wants to see the players put up a fight. I suspect, he's also told the players that too.Have to disagree , everything you hear is about how toxic the atmosphere round the club is and the players are unhappy.
If Hammond has played a key part in retaining Pardew, he may well pay the price, it looks as though Richard Garlick might have to answer some searching questions about contracts too.
It looks as though the mechanism that was JP's legacy has been dismantled, I believe Jenkins job will be to find out why & then restore it.
Doesn't need a football man. It's not a football issue, it's a use of resources & taking back control issue.
For example! How did we get into a position where we needed to sell, arguably one of our best players to buy a striker in January? We've known about FFP for some time.
It's also pretty clear from the article that TP was afforded too much power, as constantly rumoured on here.
Alan Pardew has won 1 premier league game since November and has lost 6 in a row and yet he will be allowed to stay in our dugout until the end of the season. I have to say watching Villa’s demise a couple of seasons ago was comical but I think ours is now more embarrassing.
The Mirror is reporting that Pardew is staying until JULY in order to save £1m whilst pointing out that each Premier League position is worth over £2m. You could not make it up could you ? I am not sure the club is in safe hands any more.
Of course it needs a football man. If we were running an audit Jenkins would be fine. Identifying what has gone wrong at the club in the last 18 months is totally beyond him imo.
The Mirror is reporting that Pardew is staying until JULY in order to save £1m whilst pointing out that each Premier League position is worth over £2m. You could not make it up could you ? I am not sure the club is in safe hands any more.I think the Mirror just have
Morning baggiejohn,you are right about the qualities of a CEO.Traditionally for "football men" the manager has full control over all aspects of the club which is why as a forward thinking club (at the time) we moved to a first team coach. We appear to have strayed from that path and find ourselves back heading for the Championship. Coincidence?
But he must be able to appoint the best qualified people into the right positions.
He must have a strategy and the people he appoints must buy into it.
He must have the drive to see it through.
He must be a good communicator and be able to enthuse with confidence to his employees and the fans,always keep the fans up to speed and actually speak to them regularly.
To be able to walk the fine line of being in charge of the club and be one of the fans.
To be decisive and always have his finger on the pulse and never allow a team manager to try to run the club.
Wasn't it football men that got us in this position?
Not really. In fact there is a convincing argument that it was Jenkins himself who put us in this position when he failed to adequately replace Ashworth and was entirely responsible for dismantling our scouting network because he was so high on Dave McDonough.
The fact Kiely and Downing are mentioned when their positions 3 and a half years ago were untenable along with Irvine is a stark reminder that this guy hasn't got a clue what he's doing beyond counting beans.
My god this isn't a difficult concept
Businessmen run the business
Recruitment run by specialists (mix of business (football finance) & player competence (skills / fitness / psychology)
Football coach - coaches the players
If you stray from this you are in trouble, evidently !
i'm not sure how McDonough got here, he kinda crept in under the radar, but he has been accused of dismantling the scouting network.
From what I can recall, Keily & Downing were largely responsible for saving us from the Pepe Mel fiasco, caused by McDonough.
Following that JP returned to the front line & appointed Terry Burton as Sporting Director (a football man totally out of his depth). Burton went on to sign a large number of hopefuls, most of which turned out to be hopeless & gifted them to Alan Irvine. IMO Keily & Downing were pretty blameless in all that, & their positions were certainly not untenable. It's just that Pulis didn't want them.
We do need a football man in the equation, but they don't need to be at the top.We might already have him in Nick Hammond, what we don't know for certain, is how much clout Pulis had.
McDonough was championed by Jenkins, who removed the 2 chief scouts, ask CL about it sometime.
Yes Kiely and Downing are given credit for the Mel escape. But I was at Stoke in the December and as much vitriol that was going towards Irvine went at Downing. 'You Dingle ******* get out of our club.' They were never going to be kept on my any incumbent head coach.
Hammond is part of the problem not the solution. Be it HRK or Pardew nothing he has done suggests he's up to the role beyond his old boys network.
McDonough was championed by Jenkins, who removed the 2 chief scouts, ask CL about it sometime.
Yes Kiely and Downing are given credit for the Mel escape. But I was at Stoke in the December and as much vitriol that was going towards Irvine went at Downing. 'You Dingle ******* get out of our club.' They were never going to be kept on my any incumbent head coach.
Hammond is part of the problem not the solution. Be it HRK or Pardew nothing he has done suggests he's up to the role beyond his old boys network.
How do these manager contracts work? Do they have to be paid the full amount of the remainder of the contract for doing a bad job then are able to walk straight into another job? Seems ridiculous if true. What other job does that?Have you only just realised this has been going on? None of what goes on in the Premier,contract wise, makes any business sense. It’s an industry setting itself up for a massive collapse, while a few gold laden riders disappear over the horizon. And nothing anyone in authority will do about it. I dread to think what will be left behind. Sod ‘me all!! I’ve had my fun.
Did Pulis get paid in full for the remainder as well? Then he gets the Boro job and starts getting paid another wage.
Why not place them on gardening leave for the remainder of the contract continuing to pay weekly? If the "sacked" manager wants a new job, then walk away from existing job without the pay off.
How do these manager contracts work? Do they have to be paid the full amount of the remainder of the contract for doing a bad job then are able to walk straight into another job? Seems ridiculous if true. What other job does that?
Did Pulis get paid in full for the remainder as well? Then he gets the Boro job and starts getting paid another wage.
Why not place them on gardening leave for the remainder of the contract continuing to pay weekly? If the "sacked" manager wants a new job, then walk away from existing job without the pay off.
Football contracts for players and coaches are unique. They are fixed term and unless otherwise agreed they are payable in full if the club breaches them.
By not taking the Coach through a series of warnings every manager dismissal is automatically "unfair" under UK employment law but because the club's have breached contract the compensation is far greater than that offered through a tribunal managers never take a case to an employment tribunal unless the club has tried to wriggle out of paying the contract terms. There have been a few and the clubs generally lose.
Historically we inserted "gardening leave" clauses into the managers contract which basically meant we could send the manager home replace him and if he then got a job while still under contract we would no longer have to pay the contract.
The other thing we did was put them on one year rolling contracts which meant there was always 12 months left on the contract but never anymore.
Old School British managers absolutely hated both of these arrangements because they couldn't get paid off and walk into the next job, which was why generally apart from Roy Hodgson we never hired established Old School British managers. Roy Hodgson was the exception but he was desperate to get back into the game to have a chance at the England job so he swallowed a lot.
Hiring Pulis ended that. Hiring Pulis was the worst day's work anyone has ever done at the football club it re-introduced much of the rotten practice that Peace had managed to get rid of. Managers contracts where the compensation becomes an issue in the decision whether to fire them, agent led recruitment and clearing the backroom staff every time we get a new Head Coach. Yes desperate times and yes desperate measures but we are paying for it now with more desperate times and we are now in a much worse position than we would have been.
Football contracts for players and coaches are unique. They are fixed term and unless otherwise agreed they are payable in full if the club breaches them.
By not taking the Coach through a series of warnings every manager dismissal is automatically "unfair" under UK employment law but because the club's have breached contract the compensation is far greater than that offered through a tribunal managers never take a case to an employment tribunal unless the club has tried to wriggle out of paying the contract terms. There have been a few and the clubs generally lose.
Historically we inserted "gardening leave" clauses into the managers contract which basically meant we could send the manager home replace him and if he then got a job while still under contract we would no longer have to pay the contract.
The other thing we did was put them on one year rolling contracts which meant there was always 12 months left on the contract but never anymore.
Old School British managers absolutely hated both of these arrangements because they couldn't get paid off and walk into the next job, which was why generally apart from Roy Hodgson we never hired established Old School British managers. Roy Hodgson was the exception but he was desperate to get back into the game to have a chance at the England job so he swallowed a lot.
Hiring Pulis ended that. Hiring Pulis was the worst day's work anyone has ever done at the football club it re-introduced much of the rotten practice that Peace had managed to get rid of. Managers contracts where the compensation becomes an issue in the decision whether to fire them, agent led recruitment and clearing the backroom staff every time we get a new Head Coach. Yes desperate times and yes desperate measures but we are paying for it now with more desperate times and we are now in a much worse position than we would have been.
Pardew can be put on gardening leave and we'll only pay him his wages up until he finds new employment. Thus dismissing the notion that he's here to earn a quick buck. Don't get me wrong it's guaranteed money but not lump sum payable.
Or until the first break clause in the summer I assume.....
Given that it is such a lost cause I believe that the board have decided to live with it and not spend more money on a 'Red Adair' to try and salvage our awful position. I can understand that line of thought. Lets just hope that it is a mass clear out in the summer.
Its bizarre but by keeping him in place he has a massive incentive to try and keep us up.
He stands to lose £1m bonus plus 12 months payoff at 50% reduction, another £1m.
These are obscene figures and just shows whats wrong with clubs at the top end and the manager merry go round. Basically from November to May, for abject failure, he will pocket north of £1.5m in wages and pay off if we get relegated. If he somehow keeps us up and we still want to get rid he will pocket £3.5m.
But does he have ££££££ in the bank ?Has he/had he a gambling problem? First I've heard of it
Allegedly his Newcastle deal was only 8 years because Mike Ashley was bailing him out of gambling debts, so he may not be as flush as his demeanor suggests
Don't know anything about gambling but apparently he's worth £13 million.
Not bad for failure.
Personally,I think there's a risk in putting him on gardening leave, which I recall another member advised.
At the moment it's still possible for us to stay up, if we put AP on gardening leave, we're denying him the opportunity for him to manage that, & could form the basis of a claim of payment for the whole contract by default.
On the other hand, if we keep him in place until relegation has been confirmed, the terms of the contract will have been fulfilled & we can go our separate ways.
It's pretty clear to me that the club have accepted relegation now ( I have anyway) and that it's just a case of waiting on this to formally trigger Pardew's sacking. Pardew and the players have professional pride to play for now and the longer this form and lack of fight goes on with the squad the worse it will effect Pardew's reputation in the long run. Similar to a Sherwood, he could be almost untouchable after how badly we've done since he got here so he'll want to end on a higher note. The one thing he'll point to is that he didn't build this squad. It'll be a long long couple of months!
Yes, that's Pardew's biggest issue - the fact that from Southampton at home in the league, the players have seemingly stopped playing for him and the fans altogether, disgraceful but pretty obvious!
It's pretty clear to me that the club have accepted relegation now ( I have anyway) and that it's just a case of waiting on this to formally trigger Pardew's sacking. Pardew and the players have professional pride to play for now and the longer this form and lack of fight goes on with the squad the worse it will effect Pardew's reputation in the long run. Similar to a Sherwood, he could be almost untouchable after how badly we've done since he got here so he'll want to end on a higher note. The one thing he'll point to is that he didn't build this squad. It'll be a long long couple of months!He was almost untouchable before he came here, but that didn't stop us appointing him.
I agree, it was a horrid feeling but that was the game when I knew we were going down. Everything was primed in our favour and it all just fell apart in front of our eyes. When that Southampton 2nd goal went in i felt like I'd been punched in the gut. :-[
I agree I think the Southampton game really damaged us. That was the first game of the "winnables" we were looking at. The stadium was packed, we had the excellent Cyrille Regis tribute and we went a goal up in the first five minutes or so. Everything looked to be going right, everything was positive, it was game on. Then Southampton started to dominate, we couldn't get the ball were being overrun in midfield with Lamina running the show and Pardew didn't react at all. There were several near misses the goal was coming and finally it did. Then the second goal came just before half time and still no response from Pardew.
Watford away has been my only game under Pardew to actually attend and the biggest thing that stood out to me was his failure to react or alter things during the game. Thought we did well. Felt we performed well enough for an hour; though did have a feeling like we were a lower level side upping our game a bit. The biggest thing that stood out to me and was building up before the game was how Watford's changes in the second-half; especially the introduction of Will Hughes helped Watford get more control. Our midfield was tiring but no reaction at all from the sideline and then the goal came.
And then not much of a reaction and throwing on Burke and Field on 88 minutes was pretty pointless.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43433106
Yet more "lipspeak" from him.
jeeze, talk about in denial.To be fair if he stood there and said ‘we know we’re down, everybody knows we’re down, it’s just a case of getting these fixtures out the way before we can start to rebuild’ he’d get slaughtered.
Its too late Alan !
Do the sums, FFS !
The egotistical idiot has fined Grzegorz Krychowiak a weeks wages for refusing to shake his hand. You couldn't make it up weak as water over the cab four and then fines a player for snubbing him. Total waste of space.He's lost it completely. His dignity (ego) must be shot to pieces. Every decision he makes, every word he utters, is wrong.
He's lost it completely. His dignity (ego) must be shot to pieces. Every decision he makes, every word he utters, is wrong.
He's lost it completely. His dignity (ego) must be shot to pieces. Every decision he makes, every word he utters, is wrong.Another one from our team will not now give 100%. (Would you, if it happened to you?)
Another one from our team will not now give 100%. (Would you, if it happened to you?)I certainly wouldn't be shaking his hand again, nope. Will be interesting to see if he is picked in the team - my guess is yes.
Thank you Mr Pardew.
What's this give up stuff?I would be negotiating a pay off.His position is untenable. Staying will just be embarrassing for him.
Would you give up if you were in his place?
Would you just give up the job that you do or would you keep trying as hard as you can until your boss says enough is enough?
Its all very well saying what he should do what would you do,where's your pride in a job,just ask yourself that question.
Like it or not he is here until the end of the season, so my idea is to let's actually get behind him instead of keep moaning you never know it just might work! I have said before Pulis got us in this position along with the board who refused to get rid of him sooner and since pardew came the players have been a disgrace and in any other industry would have been sacked. So my over all conclusion is that the club is rotten to the core and an embarrassment to the fans!!Absolutely terrible idea, but feel free to start up a chant of "we love you Pardew, we do" at the next home match if you want. The reaction would be interesting.
Dean Ashton (one of his former players) said they called Pardew “Mr Chocolate†because he loved himself so much...looks like he’s maturing well :(That might be cheese that you’re referring to. 😉
I have a bit of sympathy with Pardew here as it does seem he gets slated for everything no matter what.No offence but your entire post works.....IF the people involved in the taxi debacle were dealt with in at least the same manner.
I would be pretty hacked off if i was the manager of somebody who refused to shake my hand and told me to f**k off in any work place, let alone in front of millions of people all over the world.
I think Pardew handled it right, i like that he is outing some of these players, lets be fair in the last 12 months Pulis never publicly slated the players, and until a month or so Pardew never did either, yet in that time the players got Pulis the sack, are about to get Pardew the sack, so the nicely nicely approach wasnt working anyway.
It seems the players dont respect Pardew for his previous approach, they let him down, they let us fans down, whether Pardew is a great coach or not, the players who for the last month especially have downed tools and there is no excuse for that so i am glad Pardew is letting the public know some of their actions, long may it continue.
The only way to punish players is by fining them, as far as i can tell thats what we have done the last month or so with anybody who caused problems, being dropped from our team at the moment is a bonus, not a punishment.
Pulis and Pardew have took too much flak on behalf of these bunch of wasters, we are going down anyway so i hope Pardew continues to humiliate the players if they deserve it in public.
They were!
If pardew has dropped Greg because of the incident last week thats different but as Greg has been rubbish lately and the incident occured when Greg was being subbed because he was playing rubbish last week i would imagine he has been dropped today because of form, nothing to do with discipline, if it comes out that it wasnt based on form then Pardew can be accused of double standards and deserves stick.
The fab 4 were all criticised in public by pardew and all fined the maximum allowed, exactly the same as he has done with Greg.
I am no fan of Pardew but think he is taking a lot of flak and all the blame for a group who have been taking the p**s for a year ow.
winning 1-0, makes first sub 1-1, makes 2nd and 3rd sub 2-1.
I dont care if he has a right to a pay off, he should be utterly ashamed to take it. If he has any shred of decency he will quit.
If this tool is still in charge for Burnley, we have to show our displeasure with the powers that be. I am not talking about West Ham style but something well structured and organised. Any suggestions?fan base is to nice mate...sit quietly or just leave the ground then moan on social media...dont worry all is good garlick said we have a plan
fan base is to nice mate...sit quietly or just leave the ground then moan on social media...dont worry all is good garlick said we have a planfans have been taken for mugs by owner, board, coach and player`s for the whole season they havn`t shown up so why the should we
I've suggested already, we stay away simple as thatI am a season ticket holder who stayed away last week as did many others, well that had no effect. In any event I am a supporter who wants to be there and I have paid for the privilege. I should be there, and there are Tw*ts in the team and the management who should not, and no-one is showing us or telling us what is being done about it.
He apparently said on the BBC after match interview that he was contracted here for another 3 years. Please someone tell me that this is a simple slip of the tongue/ inaccurate reporting :o :o
Was it not always reported as two and a half years though? If it was three and a half, it was an even worse decision than I thought.
Doesn't matter what he's contracted for. He'll be be gone at the end of the season, latest.
He apparently said on the BBC after match interview that he was contracted here for another 3 years. Please someone tell me that this is a simple slip of the tongue/ inaccurate reporting :o :oHe said it on the official website, in his pre-match press conference, so I doubt it was a slip up.
He said it on the official website, in his pre-match press conference, so I doubt it was a slip up.
No post match interview realeased by the club tonight
And true to recent form, if he goes, he will come back...TWICE 😄
Social media black out since the match report. This could be it.
Have we ever had a manager with a worse record of losing?
Have we ever had a manager with a worse record of losing?. As there ever been such a bad record in the Premier league?
Didnt Buckley do worse ? , be close though.
No we haven't.
Didnt Buckley do worse ? , be close though.
If the dumbass knew Evans had not trained for part of the week why did he not have a centre half on the bench. His decisions are shocking
Social media black out since the match report. This could be it.
It makes no sense keeping Pardew. Get rid of him and start fixing the rot that has set in. We'll have players in different groups come the season. Those who won't play in the Championship, they're gone regardless. Those who are fringe\youth that will be here next season. And a bunch that will be borderline - show some positivity and let's try and keep some of the players for a push next season.
It makes no sense keeping Pardew. Get rid of him and start fixing the rot that has set in. We'll have players in different groups come the season. Those who won't play in the Championship, they're gone regardless. Those who are fringe\youth that will be here next season. And a bunch that will be borderline - show some positivity and let's try and keep some of the players for a push next season.
Can't he be placed on gardening leave and then sacked accordingly at the end of the season.......Give it to Big Dave untill then......Start the rebuilding process now.
I say get rid now. With him we won’t win another game. A new manager ‘might’ win a couple somehow, bringinga bit of positive momentum in to start of next season.
How many times have you seen relegated teams with no momentum carry on losing games from the off the following season! Keep him and that could easily be us!
It might cost us in terms of compensation to AP but a few wins would improve the atmosphere for next season, might save the humiliation of finishing bottom and finishing say 18th would give the club funds which would pay for Pardews parting gift!:( Don't think we are going to make 18th mate !! Would need "divine intervention" to get us off the bottom.....always the fans that suffer unfortunately..but hey looking forward to the re-build in the Chumps..might be what we need. ;D
:( Don't think we are going to make 18th mate !! Would need "divine intervention" to get us off the bottom.....always the fans that suffer unfortunately..but hey looking forward to the re-build in the Chumps..might be what we need. ;D
Here we go again a few hours into the job and it's doom and gloom from some. Give the bloke a chance >:(
I can understand the business view on this , just find it worrying that business views will come first ahead of football views in the future.
Personally I would have binned Pardew after Saints with plenty of points to play for and looked for somebody better suited to the current squad.
It's only our interpretation on why decisions were made, we'll never know the real reasons.Agreed , I personally think as the club limited the market with what they wanted Pardew was the only one interested in the job. As much as I dislike Pardew for me John Williams and co take a huge chunk of blame for going down the usual merry go round.
FWIW I think we were hoping to get better candidates when we sacked Pulis, but Pardew was the best of a bad bunch.
FWIW I think we were hoping to get better candidates when we sacked Pulis, but Pardew was the best of a bad bunch.
I think the idiots that were in charge must have limited the field with some ridiculous criteria...
1. Must be out of work with no release fees.
2. Must be British.
3. Must be a friend of Hammond.
Yap Stam gets the bullet at Reading, wonder if Big Al will jump ship?
Hope he does and takes Hammond with him
Breaking news!>:( I am not crying just pi@#d at the whole "circus" we have as a Club and the way it has been run. :'(
Pardew,says the players cried after the Bournemouth game.
Doesn't he realise that we fans have shed bucketloads all season!
Breaking news!
Pardew,says the players cried after the Bournemouth game.
Doesn't he realise that we fans have shed bucketloads all season!
Who is to say that Pardew will not be here for the start of next season
Who is to say that Pardew will not be here for the start of next season
The lynch mob that would lay siege to the training ground?No comment has been made by Lai as of yet to this happening
My mate spotted him on an easyjet flight to geneva on thursday... Scouting or skiing?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no Ad infinitum
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-soccer-england-wba-bur-pardew/pardew-wants-to-stay-at-west-brom-even-if-they-are-relegated-idUKKBN1H61IM?rpc=401&
I wouldnt expect him to say anything different if asked. He's not going to say he's off in the summer is he?He's under contract. Grounds for dismissal if he said otherwise, thus writing off his compensation. Don't worry, he'll be off by the summer.
The only way I see clueless here next season is avoiding relegation
The only way I see clueless here next season is avoiding relegation
At what other premiership club would he still be in a job ?Stoke?
You don’t take a mid table PL club down to the Championship and keep your job.
I agree he has to go but mid-table is extremely generous. We were just outside the relegation zone when he took over and hadn't won since August. This squad of players is bottom six in terms of quality and I am looking forward to an overhaul this Summer.
So am I regardless of where we are. The last two years have been turgid to say the least.
7 defeats in a row and 8 games to go.15 straight defeats here we come. :)
Pardew criticized his players publicly and the players lost faith in him obviously.
Based on our recent form and poor relationship between Pardew and players, I don't think we can think win or even get 1 point in the remaining games.
In a worst-case scenario, we may go down with 15 defeats in a row.
It would be painful for the fans but it seems that the board don't care about that.
If the board really want to prepare for next season, they should sack Pardew now. Let Big Dave takes charge and give more game time to Field, Burke, Leko and Harper in the remaining games.
He's under contract. Grounds for dismissal if he said otherwise, thus writing off his compensation. Don't worry, he'll be off by the summer.
Stick him on gardening leave and let Big Dave take over until end of season.1 It probably would, as the compensation would almost certainly be considerably less once we are relegated. If he was on gardening leave, he could argue that we got rid of him before we were relegated. This has been explained by a few people on here.
1) it won't cost any more
2) big dave gets to manage a few games
3) you never know big dave might turn out to be decent.
It's getting embarrassing now just get rid!This!
I'm beginning to think that Pardew may remain with us into next season. I wonder if there are all sorts of secret discussions behind the scenes preparing a plan and a budget for the changes needed in the summer....but with AP still in charge? Surely he would have been dismissed by now otherwise? Thoughts?
I'm beginning to think that Pardew may remain with us into next season. I wonder if there are all sorts of secret discussions behind the scenes preparing a plan and a budget for the changes needed in the summer....but with AP still in charge? Surely he would have been dismissed by now otherwise? Thoughts?
I'm beginning to think that Pardew may remain with us into next season. I wonder if there are all sorts of secret discussions behind the scenes preparing a plan and a budget for the changes needed in the summer....but with AP still in charge? Surely he would have been dismissed by now otherwise? Thoughts?not even our owner`s are that stupid :'( ???
not even our owner`s are that stupid :'( ???
I'm beginning to think that Pardew may remain with us into next season. I wonder if there are all sorts of secret discussions behind the scenes preparing a plan and a budget for the changes needed in the summer....but with AP still in charge? Surely he would have been dismissed by now otherwise? Thoughts?He won't. I expect him to be sacked once we are definitely relegated. Not long to wait now.
He won't. I expect him to be sacked once we are definitely relegated. Not long to wait now.board have been a disgrace in letting this idiot keep hold of his job what is Jenkins doing?
Got a feeling that sacking him isn't the problem, I got a feeling that appointing someone else is the biggest task the board face..... what human with any ounce of common sense would want to take over a struggling, certainly relegated team that in regards to the players, are so unbalanced that any manager/coach is going to struggle.still think board and owners have a lot to answer for. What if this happens in Championship keep coach because it's too expensive to sack him we'd be calling for owners head
Easy enough for us all to say get rid, we aint got 200 million or what it is on the line.
I personally think the board are just going to ride it out now until the season ends then it gives the next person a fresh start without having relegation on his CV.
I'm beginning to think that Pardew may remain with us into next season. I wonder if there are all sorts of secret discussions behind the scenes preparing a plan and a budget for the changes needed in the summer....but with AP still in charge? Surely he would have been dismissed by now otherwise? Thoughts?
Any reaction from this clown after the game? Can't see anything, hopefully he's gone
still think board and owners have a lot to answer for. What if this happens in Championship keep coach because it's too expensive to sack him we'd be calling for owners head
The board havnt said it's too expensive to sack him though have they?so why is he still here ???
Maybe they are more concerned about getting a replacement before pulling the trigger..... which is clearly a struggle.
I'm beginning to think that Pardew may remain with us into next season. I wonder if there are all sorts of secret discussions behind the scenes preparing a plan and a budget for the changes needed in the summer....but with AP still in charge? Surely he would have been dismissed by now otherwise? Thoughts?
I said exactly the same thing to my mate. Seems strange how he is still at the club, poor result after poor result he still keeps his job. I would not be suprised at all if he is given the summer to make signings and given the first ten games in the Championship. Hope I'm wrong.
He is quoted as saying that Burnley had better individual players than us and just about deserved the three pointsThey don't have better individual players than us. Usual Pardew sh##te. They do have a better team and better tactics than us though.
I've had an idea of what the club could do, does anyone know if it would be legally viable?Grounds for constructive dismissal I'm afraid. We just have to be patient now, it won't be long.
Could the club 'request' that Pardew resign, and if he was to refuse, make it public knowledge that he has refused to step down? It gives Pardew a chance to either save face and resign, or remain and become public enemy number 1. Also, it gets rid of him on the cheap from the clubs view. Any thoughts?
Only downside could be it may affect our next manager's view of the job/board, but it ought to be understandable that this is an exceptional circumstance.
The thing is what is the point in sacking him now? No manager is going to come to the club now, not until the end of the season so sacking Pardew and having to pay him off is pretty bad business and we've had more than enough of that.makes a statement to fans that we won't take these performances and we care too
The thing is what is the point in sacking him now? No manager is going to come to the club now, not until the end of the season so sacking Pardew and having to pay him off is pretty bad business and we've had more than enough of that.
makes a statement to fans that we won't take these performances and we care too
so why is he still here ???
That's the question every one of us are asking.... but people fail to realise that we look at it from a fans perspective where the people who really matter are looking at it from a business perspective.... we are down this season regardless if we stick or twist so it makes no odds to the board and his pay off won't even dent the owners bank balance.put big Dave in charge and play kids
But do you really believe a suitable replacement would be interested in coming in before the season ends to add a relegation to his record pretty much straight away?
Whoever the board line up will want a fresh start not a relegation scrap to get them going.
put big Dave in charge and play kids
Best thing to do is just be vocal what we think about him week in week out until the end of the season. We’re going down, let that be on his cv if he won’t resign.
He had 2 weeks to prepare tactically for today and after 10 minutes he changed his formation because it was wrong. I understand the need for a plan b and c but that’s just unacceptable.
I don’t understand what he does all week on the training ground, there has been no change in style of play and we make the same mistakes week in week out. He has no idea what formation to play or which players to play where.
I would take the remainder of the season to play some of our young players to get them some game time with a view to next season. Playing against higher level opposition even for 10-15 mins at the end of a game will be beneficial. Certainly would rather see that than some of the pathetic excuses of footballers we currently have in the team.
And give Pardew in the region of £1 million compensation? Screw that. Let him stick it out and be humiliated. It doesn't matter whether we win any more games now. We are done. Any self respecting coach of any quality will be currently employed and finishing off a season with another club. Do the groundwork now.will effect the players that club can't move on, losing is a bad habit to break see Sunderland
will effect the players that club can't move on, losing is a bad habit to break see Sunderland
No point in sacking him now unless they were to give the job big Dave until the season which they won't. The club should of pulled the trigger after the FA cup loss to Southampton but they didn't they accepted defeat and the inevitable relegation which comes with that giving up. In the summer Pardew needs to go as does Carver and Hammond.who's advice did owner take in keeping clueless in charge as he's not a football person his words not mine. He or they should also be removed
If I had the money I would pay him to fu@k off now.here here
To hear him talking about next season makes me so angry. Absolutely no shame.
here here
You'd spend £1-2 million on the "players feelings"? The first team is going to be vastly different next season. Keep the money, let Pardew man it up and spend it on improving the squad.that could be all spin for the owner who in my opinion has no interest or ambition for club.parachute payment and transfer fees of assets could easily be used to pay of investment
Having listened to Jenkins on WM prior to the game, I was quite shocked to hear that in addition to the BS we have assembled on the pitch, we have also screwed the pooch with the financials.
Every penny counts.
that could be all spin for the owner who in my opinion has no interest or ambition for club.parachute payment and transfer fees of assets could easily be used to pay of investment
Perhaps we should start a crowd funding scheme to get rid now? 20,000 fans £100 each would do it!
I needed cheering up, thanks for this gem! Haven't laughed so much in ages ;Dinebriated off big time with owner's who with keeping clueless in charge gave up the ghost 5 games ago. He lost the dressing room players were being very vocal about discontent in the hope board would act but fell on deaf ears
But seriously, we all know we're gone, so why don't we all chill out and look forward to the challenges of next season. I totally understand fans frustrations, but everyone is pretty much recycling the same comments and have been the past month.
We all know AP is a clown and couldn't organise a p up in a brewery, the players are some of the most talented we've had in a while yet they have simply under performed and the trouble at the very top shows just how unstable it all is. But by keep getting angry and upset that he hasn't been sacked yet is only getting yourself in a state.
Just seen this posted on West Bromwich Albion’s fans Facebook:they can do as they like most of the fans are resigned to their fate and have given up
Just been alerted to something that has really wound me up and I cannot let go.. apparently Carver told our fans in the Halford to “shut their gob†when moaned at, not only this but stewards then threatened to remove fans because of this..
this is absolutely disgraceful and I want him and that complete muppet Pardew out of our club as soon as possible. I’ve had a season ticket at this club for eleven years now and it’s hard earned money, not to mention travel, food, drink, programmes etc. The fact that Carver has the nerve to not only answer back (when no personal insults were thrown at him) but threaten them with ejection is actually the most disgraceful thing, considering the complete shambolic performance that was the first half. This club is made by the supporters, every week we turn up and support this complete load of spineless idiots despite the completely inept and disgraceful performances they manage to churn out, if we want to have a moan at two men who are taking our club for a ride and literally only care about their pay checks then we are more than within our rights. This has really infuriated me and I wish to take this further, I’m going to be looking to contact club officials and if anybody involved would like to contribute I’d be more than happy to take this further with the club, it’s absolutely disgusting.
Another thing I found out just now is that Pardew said that Gibbs wasn’t injured when he was substituted at half time. This just shows how tactically awful Pardew is, the fact he put the complete moron Nyom at left back rather than leave the only defender who showed any real attacking threat and played with any real flair is a joke. So frustrated and so annoyed at the lack of passion and heart from our whole club once again, not looking forward to Swansea at home. Up the baggies.
they can do as they like most of the fans are resigned to their fate and have given up
I agree the fans have given up, and most I speak with won’t be back next season.Things can turn around. A good appointment as manager could make a massive difference. If the board get it wrong we could be in for a very tough season.
So this week he said he'd like to manage us even in the Championship. Seriously, what planet is this man on?
So this week he said he'd like to manage us even in the Championship. Seriously, what planet is this man on?
At the next home game, can we have "you don't know what you're doing" in chorus from all 4 stands?Wont be that many there to sing it.
put big Dave in charge and play kids
Is that buffoon and his hapless geordie sidekick still there????
Never been so depressed as watching that rubbish yesterday. What has happened to our wonderful club?
Alan, please just go and at least save a little bit of dignity.......
Or is it 'All about the money, money, money........?'
Whilst I agree that Pardew is poor and deserves the abuse hes getting, I think its time the players also get a share of the anger.
They may not like the manager or his tactics but most seem to have lost all professional pride and that is unforgivable.
I havent got the same hatred towards Pardew as some, i think he is part of the problem, not the only problem.
However i cannot make out if he is deluded, forgetful or just taking the p**s.
Thursday - Pardew said how much he enjoyed working with Rondon and that he can look Rondon in the eye and know he tries his best and that there are other players in the team who havent tried their best and he has told them that and has no issue with saying it publicly too.
Friday - Pardew says the fans cannot accuse the players of not trying their best, they really are, its just not happening for them!
I am sure i also read he said he didnt want to change the team that did so well at Bournemouth, we bloody lost to a team fighting relegation! I fail to see how that is doing well!
I dont know when he talks about being in charge next season if he genuinely feels he may be or if he just thinks well the players are taking the p**s, i may as well join in a bit too!
Whats worrying is fans couldnt be bothered to turn up yesterday (myself included, had something else on and picked it over the Albion) but we have games against Liverpool and Tottenham, we will be cannon fodder for them, i worry there is still worse to come from this season.
As i said at the top, Pardew is part of the problem but its the players who i cannot stand, but in my books he will always be known as the manager of an Albion team i am quite disgusted by.
Like many others i have seen us in a lot worse situations than this, but what i hate about this bunch of wasters is their attitude (not all of them) There are ways of losing games and going down - fight, battle, give everything and if you lose or go down having done that, its just your not good enough.
However this group of t****rs havent even gave themselves a chance, they swan about, have no guts or pride, on paper these players have won trophies, played the very top level, got good reputations and at the start of the season you probably wouldnt of swapped our squad with half the league.
Yet here we are, getting relegated, 10 points adrift, an embarrassment, a laughing stock and somehow getting worse week by week, a few players arent as good as they were but how the majority of a squad of 25 can perform so pathetically week in / week out and show no desire or pride i think shows its a rotten group and i hope i never see the vast majority wearing an Albion shirt again after this season, they have done what no other group in my time of going the Albion has done and thats make me not care anymore.
Kev, my words exactly. I lost it at the ground yesterday and for the first time the stewards didn't tell me to calm down.
Clueless is blaming players that he continually picks for our woes :oWhat else can he do ? they are rubbish and gutless, he may as well select players from the crowd.
What else can he do ? they are rubbish and gutless, he may as well select players from the crowd.give fringe players an opportunity
The lack of tactical nous and common sense has been the biggest disappointment, that and a failure to show any ambition or inventiveness with the team selections. Yesterday for example, must win match, surely your better with Burke and Phillips as wing backs than Gibbs and Nyom. Especially when your midfield is so defensive. Every fan know Brunt is better out wide than in the middle, yet Pardew and his coaches can't get it. It's been a real shambles recently.
I would love to know what is going on in Pardew's head. Bar the Liverpool game we have been awful most games. Carver telling people to keep their mouths shut must of gone down like a lead balloon.
Also, come up against a team with a five man midfield, play a four and get overrun. Then, when we come up against a team playing 4-4-2, he switches to wingbacks and we don't match up well again.
Idiot.
Carver has always come across as someone who is very simple. Pardew seems to have melted under the pressure. The last couple of months the team selections and tactics have been all over the place. Clearly he's lost what ability he had to appraise the strengths and weaknesses of the squad. I'm pretty sure that the majority of our fan base would have done a better job. We've watched this squad for years, he's turned up last October and slowly lost the plot.
I think he's had assurances he's in charge at start of next season, so therefore "the edge" has been taken away. Also, there's no sacking calls from the stands so he thinks he's doing well.He should look around The Stadium Blue and White Empty Seats tell a Story If he thinks he is doing Well than he can Bugger Off. But Interestingly I know it's unrelated Arlene Wenger told a 5live Reporter that the Seats don't worry him I couldn't catch the Deep Down Part but I think He said something said like It doesn't Effect him He might have Said Something different Wonder if AP thinks the same.
The club is just in complete disarray with no leadership to be seen anywhere. It would be best if the fans chose 1 of the remaining games and just did not bother turning up so they played to an empty stadium.
I haven't read all of the more recent posts.You know how wolves raised the money for the banner ?😂😂
But I'm of the impression it would be far cheaper to have him shot than pay him off.
Just saying, click.........
Big Dave in charge.
Hopefully the agreed payoff to Pardew is the same (or less) as it would have been if we had waited and sacked him at the end of the season.
Otherwise its a stupid move sacking him now, but this is wba we are talking about, so who knows.
As my previous post failed to say what I meant and it was this,I think Pardew and Carver tried to work their sackings know what I mean?
They've earnt loads of money almost under false pretenses.
They now sneek off into the football wilderness with their tail between their legs jumping for joy at the same time.
How on earth did we even consider employing Pardew?
What has Carver ever done to deserve a coaching job with us?
It really beggars belief its a farce whoever appointed these losers should be sacked,oh yes,I forgot they have been already.
What's big Ron doing for the next couple of months eh?
Hated the bloke before we stupidly appointed him but was happy to give him a chance, he is not up to it and will go off to count his money until another bunch of fools give him another payday
Good riddance to bad rubbish
The worst manager in West Bromwich Albion's history.
Hmmm. Ron Saunders, Bobby Gould, Denis Smith?
He was bloody awful though.
The only thing that has annoyed me with his sacking is the timingWe can only surmise but
Why sack him now? Why didn't we do it six weeks ago and give ourselves half a chance of stopping up?
I keep hearing this stuff about not wanting to pay him off - well, they've gone and paid him off now, when we're down and dusted.
Albion absolutely bottled it and for that they should be ashamed. They just accepted this relegation to happen and did not even put up a fight.
The only thing that has annoyed me with his sacking is the timing
Why sack him now? Why didn't we do it six weeks ago and give ourselves half a chance of stopping up?
I keep hearing this stuff about not wanting to pay him off - well, they've gone and paid him off now, when we're down and dusted.
Albion absolutely bottled it and for that they should be ashamed. They just accepted this relegation to happen and did not even put up a fight.
Disgusting revelations about his treatment of the younger players and some of his quotes and public shaming, with specific reference to Sam Field and Oli Burke.
Good riddance.
6 games too late. The last roll of the dice might have seen us within touching distance now. Average side would be aiming for 7/8 points minimum from that run we had. If we had yielded that we would be well in it now.
Not convinced this side are as bad as they have been
"Before the mcfc game, Pardew asked Field over & over again if he was ‘s***ing himself’ in front of the rest of the squad. If this was supposed to be a motivational tool, it was grossly misjudged."
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This tells you all you need to know about the man. He's been an absolute disaster and should've been booted weeks ago.
Shame Matt Wilson didn't report this at the time. Imagine our fans would have made his position untenable far sooner...
Given 500k payoff
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/940456/West-Brom-news-Alan-Pardew-Hawthorns-Premier-League
You really have to question the thinking of those in charge of the club allowing this to go on through a period of winnable games.
Since the start of the 6 game run that ends against Swansea we're only 2 points worse off than we were then. This board has s**t the bed.
How was he allowed to be appointed in the first place? Anyone with any football knowledge would have called this appointment as being a disaster at the time.Pardew was appointed because of his good relationship with Nick Hammond.
How was he allowed to be appointed in the first place? Anyone with any football knowledge would have called this appointment as being a disaster at the time.
Well, I was pro Pardew when he came.........
Sorry, but I think it's for the best if you lay off the White Lightening ;D .
Well, I was pro Pardew when he came, I thought he would change the style and get the feel good factor going. Which in fairness he did try.I feel much the same as you. I was concerned at the appointment, but was willing to give him a chance as he'd done well initially at almost every other club he's managed. What he said, and did, at the outset mostly made sense but, strangely, things fell apart after beating Liverpool at Anfield and it became painfully apparent that he's lacking both tactically and as a manager.
What i didn't factor in was the depth of the Pulis effect, the players and just what a poor tactician / man manager he is.
Ahhh! saturday night on the white lightening and MD20-20, where did it all go wrong ???Breaker, my God there was a brain fryer. Could have done with some the last few weeks.
Anyone remember Breaker and white lightening snake bites??
Oops, off topic, anyway back on Pardew, I'm sorry ok, please forgive me. ???
Although he wasn't my first choice, I was happy to give him a chance mainly because he said all the right things in the press conferences and seemed to make a complete break with the football Pulis offered. He had some bad luck with injuries and I genuinely thought he was going to turn it around when everyone was fit. During the 16 minutes Chadli came on against Stoke I genuinely thought our season was changing.
In the end, I think it was his inability to motivate the players which let him down. I still think we have a squad of players which were good enough to stay up, even with the injuries, but the mark of a good manager is to be able to improve, or at least get the best out of a group of players. That's what let Pardew down.
If we tried to replace him with Silva, who turned us down, I can understand the board sticking with him. The fact they have now gone with Darren Moore proves the point that there was nobody available to take the job.
The man is an embarrassment. The sole reason we are where we are.
Not really true though is it? Had we not been so poor under Pulis, he wouldn’t have got the bullet and Pardew wouldn’t have been appointed.
The rut with Pulis set in around February of last year. Look at stats since then and there's no borderline about it, we were almost dead certs for relegation under him. The mistakes were 1) giving Pulis a new contract in the Summer, and 2) hiring Pardew.
Both deserve relegation on their CV for this season, and yet instead Moore will get it despite comfortably outclassing both of them.
Last season has absolutely no bearing on this seasons results. We finished tenth, Pulis would have seen us safe, Moore would have seen us safe with 3 extra games, he still might...
I agree on Moore - even one more game and he might have had us safe, but let's continue to pray and maybe the miracle we need will take place.
As for one season having no bearing on the next, I'd argue that the correlation in form suggests otherwise. Have also seen it happen before - Hull had an awful second half to the season the year before they went down, and even ourselves under Steve Clarke. Think we were 4th in early December, then finished a distant 8th and only because of a lack of quality below us. The team then just couldn't get going the following season which resulted in his dismissal.
From twitter (so take as unproven)... During the 19-game period in which Alan Pardew was not the West Brom manager this season, they are in the top half.
I would love to know the reasons why Williams saw fit to give him the job
Where do you start?
1) No one else wanted it.
2) He was available without having to pay any compensation.
3) He was mates with Hammond.
4) Williams wanted a British manager with PL experience, none of that foreign muck.
The whole process was weak from start to finish. They were too weak to give Pulis his marching orders in the summer, they were then too weak to sack him earlier in the season, they were weak enough to cave into the pressure from fans and sack him in the midst of an important run of games and bottled admitting defeat with Pardew and sacking him after the Southampton defeat.
This is the set up that has given us Steve Clarke, Pepe Mel, Alan Irvine, Tony Pulis and then Alan Pardew. I hope they give it to Big Dave because otherwise I'm terrified we'll end up with Owen Coyle.
>:( Was a wrong appointment "clueless" at handling team affairs and discipline. Should have "sacked" the "taxi 4" at least for a couple of games regardless of "weakening " the team. Needed to grow a "pair" of nuts.I agree and in any other industry they would have been sacked, but in the world of football and blinded fans if Pardew had binned them into the reserves for the rest of the season and we went down by a point I wonder what the response by some would have been?
That is the past....now focussing on the re-build of the team and enjoying the Championship.
Close to becoming manager of FC Cincinnati in the US according to Sky
When I see his name, I automatically think of Alan Partridge. :P
Not sure there is a difference! :D
Former West Brom boss 'in talks' to return to managementDen Haag was Martin Jol's first club, and where I lived for 4 years. They've always been midtable or lower half of Dutch league. Their main aim is not to get relegated.
He's going Dutch, hopefully. :o
Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/former-west-brom-boss-in-17429804
Former West Brom boss 'in talks' to return to management
He's going Dutch, hopefully. :o
Source: https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/former-west-brom-boss-in-17429804
Den Haag was Martin Jol's first club, and where I lived for 4 years. They've always been midtable or lower half of Dutch league. Their main aim is not to get relegated.
It might be the right level for Pardew. He will have to get used to Dutch media always talking tactics.
Shteeeeve won the Eredivisie, you never know.....
https://twitter.com/ADODenHaag?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Guess where his team have just arrived for their first training camp? A resort in Spain!
I wonder if he's warned the players about late night trips in taxis :-*
His post match interview was a giggle..
Trouble at mill. Surely this will be his last managerial job?https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11944358/alan-pardew-confronted-by-ado-den-haag-fans-amid-poor-form
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/ado-den-haag-fans-take-over-training-to-in-protest-at-alan-pardews-tactics/ar-BB10sOVG?ocid=spartanntp
I don't understand how he keeps getting jobs at top flight clubs. He is a very, very ordinary manager who hasn't had a good spell anywhere in ages. There are so many young managers out there and yet clubs keep going for "experience" even if that's bad experience.
It's like a hospital turning their nose up at the 24 year old coming out of medical school in favour of the Doctor with 20 years under his belt, who misdiagnosed 70% of his patients in the last 5 years.
If he's only won one match in Holland what is his managerial record including us and the tail end of his previous job?It starts with sh and ends in it !
I think it comes down to the plain fact that he interviews well. I spent many years in recruitment for my sins and there was a class of candidate that were very good at interviews and in some instances shockingly poor at the jobs they were engaged to do.
In Pardew's case I think he is a chancer that has run out of road. Taking on Den Haag who are hanging onto their Eredivisie status by the skin of their teeth is not a very glamorous gig. Dutch football retains a certain amount cache and throughout the game in the Netherlands the legacy of total football looms large but Den Haag are about as far removed from that ideal as it is possible to be.
While I understand it's due in part to their convincing blag, I have absolutely no idea how professional people employed to vet such nothings from the employment process fail to do so on such a consistent basis. Beyond laziness, desperation or blatant ineptitude that is. And commission.
The amount of people I've met over the years with a gift to the gob ratio far in excess of their ability to deliver is quite staggering. I've frequently been stunned as to how on earth so many of life's blaggers do so well financially.I went through an interview "process" a few years back, where they put all the hopefuls, of which I was one, through various tests at the same venue at the same time. It was an absolute shambles, half their equipment didn't work, I had a role play with two guys who thought they were Al Pacino and Robert de Niro, an interview with someone with the personality of a wet fish and it all culminated in a group exercise where the "interviewers" all sat on a panel looking down on us mere mortals, Roman Emporer style, from a level above.
While I understand it's due in part to their convincing blag, I have absolutely no idea how professional people employed to vet such nothings from the employment process fail to do so on such a consistent basis. Beyond laziness, desperation or blatant ineptitude that is. And commission.
I've had pals who've worked in recruitment over the years who suggest I'd be ideal in the role as I can spot a bullshitter blindfold from a mile away. Personally speaking I'd feel filthy coming into contact with so much of life's detritus.
And then there are the Alan Pardw@nks of this world......
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/11944358/alan-pardew-confronted-by-ado-den-haag-fans-amid-poor-formThe chairman of Den Haag Mo Hamid is defending Pardew, because it was his decision to take him on. Pardew had a hard time from alot of Dutch journalists this week, some questioning his basic tactical awareness, and chopping and changing the team around every game. Having lived in Holland, I know that Dutch football journos give managers a much tougher time than here, where the questions are often embarassingly easy.
Alan Pardew confronted by ADO Den Haag fans amid poor form
Last Updated: 27/02/20 11:03am
Alan Pardew and his ADO Den Haag players were confronted by a group of
supporters protesting against the club's poor form at training on Wednesday.
Approximately 10 fans of the struggling Dutch club made their way onto
the training pitch, where talks with Pardew are said to have gone smoothly.
Den Haag are winless in their last five matches - a run of form that
sees them lie 17th in the Eredivisie, one place off bottom.
Pardew's only win since making the move to the Netherlands came in his
first game in charge - a 2-0 victory over bottom-placed side RKC Waalwijk.
Den Haag chief executive Mo Hamdi told Sky Sports News: "ADO Den Haag
has one of the most loyal groups of fans in the Netherlands. They are so
passionate and want to support the team.
"The club and supporters are supporting Alan Pardew and the team."
It's CSKA Sofia not Moscow. Never the less there it's 1500 miles from London to Sofia and somewhere between here and there has to be someone better qualified to run a football club than Alan Pardew there just has to be.If he's 1500 miles away that'll do me
It's CSKA Sofia not Moscow. Never the less there it's 1500 miles from London to Sofia and somewhere between here and there has to be someone better qualified to run a football club than Alan Pardew there just has to be.
1. How anyone employs this man is beyond me.
2. Why we employed him is beyond me..