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West Bromwich Albion v Birmingham City
Friday 29th March 2019 20.00pm
Please use this board for all your After Match Debate. Away fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.
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West Bromwich Albion v Birmingham City
Friday 29th March February 2019 20.00pm
Please use this board for all your In Game Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.
Please keep this board Albion related, there are boards elsewhere in General Sports to discuss other games
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West Bromwich Albion v Birmingham City
Friday 29th March February 2019 20.00pm
Please use this board for all your Pre Match Chat. Opposition fans are reminded to abide by the site rules.
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West Bromwich Albion v Birmingham City
Friday 29th March 2019 20.00pm
PRICES
Allocation:
£20/£23 Adults, £15/£17 Senior 65, £15 Students + & U23, £10 U18, £5 U11, £10 Disabled
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Two weeks to go till this match. It'll be interesting to see how many of our fans can manage to drag themselves to this game. So far with a fortnight to ho we've already sold more tickets than the overall crowd for the Swansea game. We've sold somewhere in the region of 20,500 so far.
East Stand 1,685
Brummie Road 1,030
West Stand 428
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 3,143
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Update
East Stand 1,521
Brummie Road 887
West Stand 397
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 2,805
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Commentary on Talksport 2
https://talksport.com/football/all/fixtures/live/
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Update
East Stand 1,432
Brummie Road 687
West Stand 393
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 2,512
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What a time to play the Blues - deducted 9 points for financial losses - they won't be happy after that.
No doubt they'll turn up to play and make it hard for us.
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Update
East Stand 1,255
Brummie Road 628
West Stand 330
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 2,213
Approx. 21,500 sold so far in home areas.
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Not an easy game, Monk has them well organised, and they have goals in the team.
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think this is really poor we haven't even sold 1,000 tickets in nearly 2 weeks since the first update (thank you for doing this by the way).
yes its on sky, yes its a friday night, but its £20 and against a local rival and weve just won 2 on the bounce for gods sake.
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looking forward to it after the international break. Should be an interesting game but certainly not an easy one. Hope Gibbs is back and Phillips (asking too much???)
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What a time to play the Blues - deducted 9 points for financial losses - they won't be happy after that.
No doubt they'll turn up to play and make it hard for us.
The opposite, I would have thought.
A few weeks ago they were fancying a place in the play-offs - now they could still potentially be relegated.
I imagine morale would be at an all-time low.
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These sales are a joke, I'm sure blues sold out the corresponding fixture.
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These sales are a joke, I'm sure blues sold out the corresponding fixture.
No they didn't. Even if no one else buys a ticket it will still be a bigger crowd than the one at St Andrews. Still, sales have been pretty woeful.
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The opposite, I would have thought.
A few weeks ago they were fancying a place in the play-offs - now they could still potentially be relegated.
I imagine morale would be at an all-time low.
Depends on the psychology - I'm with Aussie, I think they'll be up for it and it'll make it a harder game for us. We shouldn't forget they gave us a lot of trouble at their place also.
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Although we always think of Villa/Wolves as our main rivals, this is still a local derby so it will be treated as such I'd imagine
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Although we always think of Villa/Wolves as our main rivals, this is still a local derby so it will be treated as such I'd imagine
These are about as much rivals to us as we are to the Villa... ;)
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These are about as much rivals to us as we are to the Villa... ;)
you need to get better bait than that !
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you need to get better bait than that !
Give it time... ;D
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No they didn't. Even if no one else buys a ticket it will still be a bigger crowd than the one at St Andrews. Still, sales have been pretty woeful.
Whoops I must of had my beer goggles on back then
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I am not surprised by the numbers and strongly maintain that the size of our ground in terms of capacity is ample for our attendance record, regardless of the division we are in.
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I am not surprised by the numbers and strongly maintain that the size of our ground in terms of capacity is ample for our attendance record, regardless of the division we are in.
i know every club has them, but just frustrates me so much that myself and thousands others regular followers go every week and then when there is a "big" game everybody wants tickets. i never knew i had so many albion fans on social media for when we played Villa.
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Referee: David Webb
Assistant Referee: Lee Venamore
Assistant Referee: Robert Merchant
Fourth Official: Gavin Ward
Reffed our 2-0 win at Bolton. 76 yellow and 2 red in 28 games in all comps this season.
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Absolutely Tipton
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Wait till the play off final if we get there. Suddenly we'll have 40,000 and probably more scrambling after tickets.
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Anyway, Tuesday morning update:
East Stand 1,169
Brummie Road 551
West Stand 301
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 2,021
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I’m predicting there will be around 1000 tickets left in home areas and it will be a 25k plus gate
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I’m predicting there will be around 1000 tickets left in home areas and it will be a 25k plus gate
cant see us selling 1k in 3 days. for £20 it should be a sell out really. like previous comments, bet if we get to the play off final everyone will want a ticket then.
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cant see us selling 1k in 3 days. for £20 it should be a sell out really. like previous comments, bet if we get to the play off final everyone will want a ticket then.
We've got four days really, Tue, Wed, Thur, Fri. I estimate we'll probably sell around 200 per day. Blues have sold out so as long as our sales don't completely dry up we should be looking at somewhere between 25,000 - 25,500.
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It's amazing how many armchair fans we have. Gotta be more than any other club!
I remember when we played Portsmouth in the FA cup semi and Peace asked the FA for an additional 10k tickets but they refused. Supporters just seemingly come out the woodwork.
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It's amazing how many armchair fans we have. Gotta be more than any other club!
Agreed. The number of Albion "fans" I know that never go to matches is absolutely ridiculous it must be literally 90% of Albion fans I know and I am not exaggerating.
Not including "glory hunters" I'd be absolutely flabbergasted if someone did a poll of armchair fans and we weren't very, very close to the top.
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the excuse always used to be the cost but now it is £20 a ticket we still cant fill in the ground for a derby or other games.
£20 we should be selling out each week considering the cost and the fact weve not been out the top 6 all season. also, the football has considerably improved since the TP days and we actually try to score a goal now.
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the excuse always used to be the cost but now it is £20 a ticket we still cant fill in the ground for a derby or other games.
£20 we should be selling out each week considering the cost and the fact weve not been out the top 6 all season. also, the football has considerably improved since the TP days and we actually try to score a goal now.
The cost, Tony Pulis etc...
There will always be an excuse.
£20.00 for a game of football in today's day and age is fantastic in my opinion.
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The cost, Tony Pulis etc...
There will always be an excuse.
£20.00 for a game of football in today's day and age is fantastic in my opinion.
Agreed.
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Agreed.
Double agreed.
Our "fans" are among the most small minded, apathetic, fans in the country. Always an excuse.
Why? Well, let's put it this way if Tom Silk or Paul Thompson had been chairman at the Albion for any length of time we'd have a 40,000 stadium and a home average of 30,000 now.
Forty years of "being talked down" affects peoples subconscious. Look at Wolves 30,000 every week now. That hasn't happened since ........... when? They all believe they'll be challenging for the league very soon. Yes, they will probably fall short but it's ambition, it's pride, it's feel good, it's a yearning to be involved in the journey.
Ambition. What do we have? There's no money to spend, we're an average Championship club (Peace).
This club has so much untapped potential. It makes you cry. Talked down all the time, every single time.
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Any remote hopes we have of finishing second rest on us winning on Friday.
That would put the gap down to 4 points and pressure would be on the teams above for the Saturday games.
However remote/slight the chances are, which at this stage are very slim, we need to keep some concerted pressure on the teams above. Friday is our best chance as we play before them.
To be honest I’m more interested with how Shan and the coaching staff set the team up, as we would have had 13 day gap from our last game. Will he continue with his 4-1-4-1 or will we be slightly more on the front foot in our approach?
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It would be interesting to know actually how many members we have on the database? I was reading an article where it stated Wolves have around 28,000 members. Would assume our numbers would be similar?
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Double agreed.
Our "fans" are among the most small minded, apathetic, fans in the country. Always an excuse.
Why? Well, let's put it this way if Tom Silk or Paul Thompson had been chairman at the Albion for any length of time we'd have a 40,000 stadium and a home average of 30,000 now.
Forty years of "being talked down" affects peoples subconscious. Look at Wolves 30,000 every week now. That hasn't happened since ........... when? They all believe they'll be challenging for the league very soon. Yes, they will probably fall short but it's ambition, it's pride, it's feel good, it's a yearning to be involved in the journey.
Ambition. What do we have? There's no money to spend, we're an average Championship club (Peace).
This club has so much untapped potential. It makes you cry. Talked down all the time, every single time.
I pretty much totally agree with this. Us and Wolves are I think very similar in size and stature, the difference is they allow themselves to think big, unrealistically at times but they dream. Whereas we hold ourselves back and always have done. The flip side to this though, is that we have have never gone into administration, or had to have whip rounds to save the club, or two sides of the ground closed off, or had to start again like some clubs have.
It would be nice to dream and think big just once.
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I am in a quandary here. Working on Friday night in York so my only way of getting match action is this commentary. However, I have a self imposed ban on listening to the station due to the racism claims. Haven’t decided what to do yet.
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I am in a quandary here. Working on Friday night in York so my only way of getting match action is this commentary. However, I have a self imposed ban on listening to the station due to the racism claims. Haven’t decided what to do yet.
I admire your stance, but in this case, you should exploit the station when you can, but by all means, ignore all adverts and phone ins. In short, only ever listen to Baggies commentaries. ☺ï¸
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It would be interesting to know actually how many members we have on the database? I was reading an article where it stated Wolves have around 28,000 members. Would assume our numbers would be similar?
They will have a lot more members then that I’d have thought mate. Theve sold 22500 season tickets this year with a waiting list for season tickets.
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It would be interesting to know actually how many members we have on the database? I was reading an article where it stated Wolves have around 28,000 members. Would assume our numbers would be similar?
I don't know how many are members but I've been told we have over 50,000 people on our database.
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Wednesday morning update:
East Stand 1,083
Brummie Road 506
West Stand 269
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 1,858
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I agree that ticket prices are really good value, but for a lot of fans that is less than 30% of the cost of a day at the Hawthorns, for me a
typica non-typical 15:00 saturday kick off costs
3 hours travel each way
add an hour for parking / exiting car park,
2 hours in ground typically = a total of 9 hours, plus any travel delays.
£60 fuel
£20 food and drink (driving, so 1 beer only)
£5 parking
£3.50 programme
£20 ticket
so 9 hours and in excess of 100 notes, it take some justifying !
Games on weekday nights are a non-starter because travel can be anything from 3 hours to 5 hours, so require an afternoon off work. Consequently I pick and choose and will more often go to away games which involve less travel. Yes when i lived locally I had a season ticket but that only lasted a couple of seasons when I moved away.
Now the controversial bit, the West Mids ain't the best place in Uk to live and those lucky enough to get the chance will often move away so I don't think that I am untypical, a minority yes, but not that unusual. Where I live (middle of no-where) I know fans of sheff utd / sheff wed / leeds / most of the london clubs / glory hunters / Burton / Posh / Leicester and so on. The tribes have now spread far and wide around the country and clubs need to find a way to address this creatively.
I am convinced that WBA are no different in this respect to other clubs and YES I would love to go to wembley and see us in a play off final (prefer automatic) and I make no apologies for this.
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Any remote hopes we have of finishing second rest on us winning on Friday.
That would put the gap down to 4 points and pressure would be on the teams above for the Saturday games.
However remote/slight the chances are, which at this stage are very slim, we need to keep some concerted pressure on the teams above. Friday is our best chance as we play before them.
To be honest I’m more interested with how Shan and the coaching staff set the team up, as we would have had 13 day gap from our last game. Will he continue with his 4-1-4-1 or will we be slightly more on the front foot in our approach?
I do like your thinking, but with leeds playing millwall at home, can't see much but a home win there, and then the blades have bristol city, where i do fancy more chance of a slip up but still expect them to win. If either of the 2 sides win, then the gap is still 6 points at the very least. I'm more thinking if we can nick 3rd and play someone like Preston who we don't have a history/rivalry with, then thats our best route to wembley.
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We need to be working hard on the goal difference as well, if we are to stand any chance of an auto place we may need to overturn out - 5/6 goal disadvantage.
We need to be winning and winning well.
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I do like your thinking, but with leeds playing millwall at home, can't see much but a home win there, and then the blades have bristol city, where i do fancy more chance of a slip up but still expect them to win. If either of the 2 sides win, then the gap is still 6 points at the very least. I'm more thinking if we can nick 3rd and play someone like Preston who we don't have a history/rivalry with, then thats our best route to wembley.
If we win Friday, it will certainly put pressure on those above, we're at the business end of the season now and strange things happen. If we do win and say Leeds draw (can't see them losing) and Sheff Utd. lose then it will at least give their bum's a squeak.
We need to finish with our best run of the season, but Shan seems calm and confident and, if he can maintain the clean sheets, there's no reason why we can't.
All we can do is win our games, starting Friday, and hope for the best. If we do that but still miss out on top 2, at least we will go into the play offs with confidence.
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We need to be working hard on the goal difference as well, if we are to stand any chance of an auto place we may need to overturn out - 5/6 goal disadvantage.
We need to be winning and winning well.
True. Although we will have about five or six better results than our rivals; so a goal each (1-0 losses for them, 1-0 wins for us) would nullify goal difference; but obviously still need to work on it. If we were chasing 1 team I feel we have a chance but can't see both teams slipping up; and certainly not Norwich to fall back that badly.
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True. Although we will have about five or six better results than our rivals; so a goal each (1-0 losses for them, 1-0 wins for us) would nullify goal difference; but obviously still need to work on it. If we were chasing 1 team I feel we have a chance but can't see both teams slipping up; and certainly not Norwich to fall back that badly.
Agree re Norwich, they have by far the easiest run in. Tomorrow is their hardest game and it may not be the worst result in the world if they win as it will but Boro back.
All about us though, we just have to keep winning, by any means necessary. We have no long term plan at the minute so it's just one game at a time trying to get maximum points regardless of style, luck or anything else.
I'm still gutted that Moore didn't work out and think he could have been given more time but no-one is bigger than the club so we move on. I'm actually liking the cut of Shan's jib at the minute, yes he's been a bit fortunate in his two games, especially against Swansea, but a win's a win and I hope he can keep it going.
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I agree that ticket prices are really good value, but for a lot of fans that is less than 30% of the cost of a day at the Hawthorns, for me a typica non-typical 15:00 saturday kick off costs
3 hours travel each way
add an hour for parking / exiting car park,
2 hours in ground typically = a total of 9 hours, plus any travel delays.
£60 fuel
£20 food and drink (driving, so 1 beer only)
£5 parking
£3.50 programme
£20 ticket
so 9 hours and in excess of 100 notes, it take some justifying !
Games on weekday nights are a non-starter because travel can be anything from 3 hours to 5 hours, so require an afternoon off work. Consequently I pick and choose and will more often go to away games which involve less travel. Yes when i lived locally I had a season ticket but that only lasted a couple of seasons when I moved away.
Now the controversial bit, the West Mids ain't the best place in Uk to live and those lucky enough to get the chance will often move away so I don't think that I am untypical, a minority yes, but not that unusual. Where I live (middle of no-where) I know fans of sheff utd / sheff wed / leeds / most of the london clubs / glory hunters / Burton / Posh / Leicester and so on fans the tribes have spread far and wide around the country and clubs need to find a way to address this creatively.
I am convinced that WBA are no different in this respect to other clubs and YES I would love to go to wembley and see us in a play off final (prefer automatic) and I make no apologies for this.
Due to your reasons above yes mate you are the minority i would say that has to have such considerable costs to get to a WBA match unfortunately.
however, i know of many WBA fans who live within a 10 mile radius of the ground and never ever go to games yet constantly give their opinion on social media about us which of course they are entitled to and some people cannot jusity £20 because of various reasons.
my point is, it is frustrating that a lot of fans complained the cost of the ticket was the excuse where this season i have not heard that excuse once. what is the excuse for those fans now??
in my view, the majority is fans who live in the area and choose not to go yet when there is a big game try what ever they can to get tickets which is frustrating for myself and other fans who go to every home game and numerous away games. it doesent affect me in no way shape or form but still frustrating.
for somebody who lives within a 10 mile radius could be something like this...
£20 match day ticket
£5 bus/tram travel
£8 - pie & pint
£3.50 - programme
total - £36.50
less than £40 for a day/afternoon out is fantastic value for money. with a season ticket it worked out to £14 a game.
finally, i dont think the club rewards the more loyal fans enough either in my opinion. even something small like a voucher for a free drink to people who renew a season ticket as a small thank you for the continued custom.
each and every season i contemplate if i should renew because this year and probably the last 10 i spend around £1,700-£2000 a year following albion home and away and the time aswell i spend is quite a lot.
with how it is looking at the moment i am 50-50 of renewing for next season.
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Due to your reasons above yes mate you are the minority i would say that has to have such considerable costs to get to a WBA match unfortunately.
however, i know of many WBA fans who live within a 10 mile radius of the ground and never ever go to games yet constantly give their opinion on social media about us which of course they are entitled to and some people cannot jusity £20 because of various reasons.
my point is, it is frustrating that a lot of fans complained the cost of the ticket was the excuse where this season i have not heard that excuse once. what is the excuse for those fans now??
in my view, the majority is fans who live in the area and choose not to go yet when there is a big game try what ever they can to get tickets which is frustrating for myself and other fans who go to every home game and numerous away games. it doesent affect me in no way shape or form but still frustrating.
for somebody who lives within a 10 mile radius could be something like this...
£20 match day ticket
£5 bus/tram travel
£8 - pie & pint
£3.50 - programme
total - £36.50
less than £40 for a day/afternoon out is fantastic value for money. with a season ticket it worked out to £14 a game.
finally, i dont think the club rewards the more loyal fans enough either in my opinion. even something small like a voucher for a free drink to people who renew a season ticket as a small thank you for the continued custom.
each and every season i contemplate if i should renew because this year and probably the last 10 i spend around £1,700-£2000 a year following albion home and away and the time aswell i spend is quite a lot.
with how it is looking at the moment i am 50-50 of renewing for next season.
Renew. Come on man let's be having you. (No I'm not Delia Smith).
All these extra costs, people mention (in general). You don't have to buy a programme, you don't have to have food and drink (have them at home) and you don't have to spend any more money other than for your ticket other than to get to and from games.
I live in Oldbury. Once I have my season ticket it costs me £2.30 for a train return ticket, that is all on match days unless I choose to do other things but that's MY choice.
The cost thing for local fans is no excuse at all. Less than £25.
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Due to your reasons above yes mate you are the minority i would say that has to have such considerable costs to get to a WBA match unfortunately.
however, i know of many WBA fans who live within a 10 mile radius of the ground and never ever go to games yet constantly give their opinion on social media about us which of course they are entitled to and some people cannot jusity £20 because of various reasons.
my point is, it is frustrating that a lot of fans complained the cost of the ticket was the excuse where this season i have not heard that excuse once. what is the excuse for those fans now??
in my view, the majority is fans who live in the area and choose not to go yet when there is a big game try what ever they can to get tickets which is frustrating for myself and other fans who go to every home game and numerous away games. it doesent affect me in no way shape or form but still frustrating.
for somebody who lives within a 10 mile radius could be something like this...
£20 match day ticket
£5 bus/tram travel
£8 - pie & pint
£3.50 - programme
total - £36.50
less than £40 for a day/afternoon out is fantastic value for money. with a season ticket it worked out to £14 a game.
finally, i dont think the club rewards the more loyal fans enough either in my opinion. even something small like a voucher for a free drink to people who renew a season ticket as a small thank you for the continued custom.
each and every season i contemplate if i should renew because this year and probably the last 10 i spend around £1,700-£2000 a year following albion home and away and the time aswell i spend is quite a lot.
with how it is looking at the moment i am 50-50 of renewing for next season.
I cannot argue about ticket pricing, it represents good value,
Football "style" was clearly an issue under the coward Pulis and its fair to say that this has been much better this season so I don't accept that is an issue
Societal changes are definitely a factor, pubs open all day, footy on the box / internet, much as per the demise of pubs, times change and those who don't adapt will wither and die.
Still we will all have FIFA and Fortnite (sp?) to play !
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Renew. Come on man let's be having you. (No I'm not Delia Smith).
All these extra costs, people mention (in general). You don't have to buy a programme, you don't have to have food and drink (have them at home) and you don't have to spend any more money other than for your ticket other than to get to and from games.
I live in Oldbury. Once I have my season ticket it costs me £2.30 for a train return ticket, that is all on match days unless I choose to do other things but that's MY choice.
The cost thing for local fans is no excuse at all. Less than £25.
you are definitley right in what you are saying mate. 100%.
i think once its in your blood you find it difficult to let go. like i say ive been saying every march for the past 10 years, shall i renew, not sure and always do. even though the years under pulis was a closer decision, if its going to the albion or ikea with the mrs on a saturday, there is always only one winner.
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think Blues is going to be a lot harder game than some people think to be honest.
we got away with it at their place earlier in the season but if we set up the right way, we should win.
COYB.
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No tickets showing on sale for me?
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No tickets showing on sale for me?
There is for me, are you a member and logged into the ticket site?
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My fault, being a dolt. Didn't see the bit saying not going on general sale haha.
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The problem with these ticket sale stats from the website is that they include season tickets in the sold numbers. For example against Swansea the whole of the Smethwick was showing as sold out however on the day there were a good few hundred empty seats. So those total numbers aren't going to be totally accurate regarding number of supporters attending.
More annoyed that the fan zone isn't open and the Oak/Vine are likely to be heaving as the ground isn't serving Blues fans alcohol.
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More annoyed that the fan zone isn't open and the Oak/Vine are likely to be heaving as the ground isn't serving Blues fans alcohol.
Seems way over the top to not allow the Blues fans to have a beer in the ground?
It's not as if the fixture is known for having problems between the supporters is it?
Appreciate this may be a decision taken by the WM Police rather than Albion but seems a bit petty to me.
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Beat Blue noses and put pressure on teams above us, should be doing this lot 2-0. wouldn't be surprised if teams around us drop points this weekend.
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Barely selling any tickets now. We might just scrape over 25,000 (total attendance).
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That's work done and dusted so off to the pub and maybe a curry and then the footie is back thank goodness
COYB
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Feels like an age since I’ve watched us play.
On the train now, COYB
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Well, a couple of hours till kick off:
East Stand 850
Brummie Road 345
West Stand 234
Smethwick Sold Out
Remaining: 1,429
Looks like a gate of around 25,000.
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COYB. Get this one right and put a worry in the heads of the others for tomorrow.
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Is it on Sky?
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Is it on Sky?
It better be. I’ve ordered a taxi to the bar already.
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It better be. I’ve ordered a taxi to the bar already.
Tis mate 8)
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A good excuse to go to the pub then. :) Bath running.
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Livermore in, Johansen out. What do these succession of coaches see on a match day that nobody else does? Hopefully Morrison and Brunt can hide his shortcomings in possession of a football.
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Johnstone, Holgate, Dawson, Hegazi, Townsend, Livermore, Morrison, Brunt, Edwards, Gayle, Rodriguez. Hardly a team to inspire me. Subs: Bond, Barley, Mears, Johanssen, Harper, Murphy, Robson-Kanu. I was going to have a bet on us tonight but I think I'll keep my money in my pocket.
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What’s happened to Gareth Barry? Hasn’t been in the squad for a while.
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its the SOTV derby lol
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thats not a very mobile midfield
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I know people complain about Livermore but what on earth has Morrison done to deserve a start? He has had zero impact on games and i cant even remember a bright moment from him.
Livermore is the only one of that midfield who will try to get a foot in. They will just run past Brunt and JM
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Midfield looks poor. How does Livermore pull the wool over so many eyes. Oh well, COYB!
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rubbish line up, suggests that the old folks are still running things
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It's only a rubbish line up if we don't win.
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we can win this 3 or 4 nil.
Just stop the messing around between our defence and midfield...Get the ball farward and put pressure on them!
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Are we awake?
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Nope. 1-0 blues
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Told you!
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Clearly the team isn't. 1-0 Blues
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0-1. Is there a worse defence in the League
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Mess around at the back to our peril.
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Brunt responsible
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Clueless
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Hoof and hope Pulis style >:(
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Brunt responsible
Brunt was on Morrison. Gardner lost Dawson from the replay.
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Livermore love passing back. >:(
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Still no passing ability
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Commentators saying we are supposed to have the best squad in the league. Rubbish. It’s largely last season’s failed outfi.
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Keep this up and Shan will have no chance of being a permanent manager. Pulis clone number 2
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Just need a proper gaffer. Not an old boy, not a pal of the club and the players that have been here over a decade, not someone filling in. An actual,proper manager.
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I was enjoying that international break, didn’t have to watch Albion. Looks like we’re carrying on where we left off, a full season of playing awful in every single game.
Appoint an actual f****** manager.
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Komedy Kapers at the moment.
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Do pour players realise that we are in the stripes? STOP passing to the yellows!
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Pathetic performance so far. We are a shambles. Have been most of the season. I genuinely don't know how we are where we are in the league.
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Am I the only one really extremely wound up when Brunt clearly fouls someone and acts all innocent. How longs he been doing it and not getting away with it? Just dumb.
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I said 3 or 4 nil to us..IF IF we stop messing about between defence and midfield. No chance...We are our own worst enimies.
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Am I the only one really extremely wound up when Brunt clearly fouls someone and acts all innocent. How longs he been doing it and not getting away with it? Just dumb.
No, you’re not.
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Same rubbish, absolutely no width at all
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Dad’s army midfield getting played off the park by Gary Gardner and David Davis. We’ve got the best young midfielder at the club and the Norway captain on the bench. Imagine if this basket case of a club knew what a proper head coach was...
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Absolutely pooh
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As per usual..They WANT the ball...We just try to pick up pieces
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Have this shower ever met trained with each other?
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Dreadful, dreadful dreadful. Who really thought we were going to smash these?
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Remind me. ….Who are the home team and who are higher?
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Pathetic performance so far. We are a shambles. Have been most of the season. I genuinely don't know how we are where we are in the league.
Simply by scoring goals, largely when Barnes was here. You could count the games we've played well and deserved to win on one hand. The players have massively underachieved this season.
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I almost wish I was watching the Brexit debate instead! Not really, but it is very boring so far. We’ve won our last two games with no more than 30% possession so I won’t give up hope yet.
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Have we anyone who even wants to venture into their half?
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Best squad in the league with that midfield you've got to be joking
Poor centre halves
And jay rod as a number 10 say no more
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A corner...And our goal keeper gets the ball all the way back...HOW?
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Our passing has been very poor still got plenty of time to get all 3 points but need to up our game by 1000%
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3-1 to them? and we will be extremely lucky to get that 1
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We got Brunt who is willing to try and tackle but shouldn't and James Morrison who tackles like he is dipping his toes in the bath to test the temperature. I despair.
These 3 should never be allowed to play CM together.
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Laughing stock of the Championship coming up.
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Poor and dismal choice of team selection.
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The Blues are cheats. They’ve been trying to con the referee all night. Our midfield is non existent
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Needs all the old boys clearing out. On the pitch and off it. No more mates club rubbish.
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Edwards getting back to help defence, using his head there. Great player.
Dawson booked for a late tackle.
Our players have been out-thought, out-played and out-classed in virtually every game I've seen us this season.
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Need to take Brunt AND Morrison off NOW! never mind half time.
Edit.... AND Dawson
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On a brighter note, Edwards looks up for it and showing his ability at times!
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Livermore is hiding, look how many times he moves to where he can't receive the ball
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That midfield is an embarrassment, none of them should be starting and anyone with an ounce of managerial ability would have seen it 6 months ago. Shan looks like another off the bandwagon of clueless British coaches.
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Can we please put to bed the very thought of keeping Shan on until the end of the season. We WILL NOT get promoted until an experienced manager comes in for the rest of the season.
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Why when you have young talented reasonably hard working players including internationals available and you continue to pick old slow players why do you not expect to get old slow rubbish football. Add to that weak old slow players Like JM and you have to try to play with 9 men, how can we win?. Still only one goal difference though so far - Blues must be rubbish as well. For anythings sake get some legs and strength in midfield and see what happens. this is tripe albion. If you can't play at least try to cheat, claim non existent free kicks and trip the opposition like the blues are doing.
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So far hoof ball avoiding the midfield is our most dangerous weapon.
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Sounds like another game where on top of anything tactical, we are yet again been outrun, outfought and outworked. We seem to be in second gear always.
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Why when you have young talented reasonably hard working players including internationals available and you continue to pick old slow players why do you not expect to get old slow rubbish football. Add to that weak old slow players Like JM and you have to try to play with 9 men, how can we win?. Still only one goal difference though so far - Blues must be rubbish as well. For anythings sake get some legs and strength in midfield and see what happens. this is tripe albion. If you can't play at least try to cheat, claim non existent free kicks and trip the opposition like the blues are doing.
This is something I was saying last season too
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If ANY team needs 3 points, just play us.
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This game go's to show how Big a job our next manager has got it no job for a 1st time manager MUST be a bloke who can build a team.
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Looks like when the pre match chat was about Shan chatting to the senior players it meant pick us and we'll do the job....... :-[
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Why do I support such a rubbish team and rubbish management set up?
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Remember, they always let you down!
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Sounds like another game where on top of anything tactical, we are yet again been outrun, outfought and outworked. We seem to be in second gear always.
We haven’t got out of second gear all season. This is looking like the 38th poor performance of the season, out of 39, Leeds at home being the only exception. Hasn’t been any clear game plan from any of the clowns running the show.
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I reckon even a schoolboy manager could tell Shan how to manage better.
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If ANY team needs 3 points, just play us.
Yes!
Just ask Brentford and Swansea. It hasn't been good but there's a way to go yet. Time for Shan to show what he's made of. This is where Moore struggled.
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Hegazi passes to Dawson , who then back walks before passing "nowhere". Is Dawson interested?
Edit... Is Brunt interested?
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After several years of apathy when it came to Albion due to the Premier League and Pullis, my interest became revitalised, it is rapidly disappearing largely due to the shocking ownership and decisions this club has been making. The summer should have had a big clear out, we are paying for it now.
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Shan’s management abilities will be put to the test at half time. Changes are inevitable
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Shan’s management abilities will be put to the test at half time. Changes are inevitable
Should have noticed and changed after the first goal.
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We got rid of Pulis too late. He never should have been given his new contract. That was the turning point. I said before it will take 3-5 years of him being gone to see the last of him. Moore and Shan are much the same without an idea though.
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Thank gawd for that whistle.
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Dawson as been poor all season
Hegazi goes to sleep and ball watches
Livermore as the turning circle of a Scania
Brunt too slow
Morrison see brunt
Jay rod take away the pens offers little threat
Where's Phillips. Barry. Harper. Johansson?
This teams been picked by the rotton apples who need getting rid of at the end of the season
We will scrape into the play offs and Lose over 2 legs.
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We got rid of Pulis too late. He never should have been given his new contract. That was the turning point. I said before it will take 3-5 years of him being gone to see the last of him. Moore and Shan are much the same without an idea though.
I have said this too many times.
Clones and dupes.
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Those 3 in the middle are woeful, Midfield is the engine and once again we just can't find the right balance. Not looking good and we can't even take Brunt off because we'd end up with a random player taking corners.
We need a manager real bad to just manage the team, Tactics etc.
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A ponderous midfield out run and outskilled. How many times have we seen that this season. Shocking defending by Brunt for the goal.
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Brunt should be nowhere near first team said it all season but Jimmy knows besr :-[
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Just heard we had 60% possession, but we do nothing with the ball. Brunt, Morrison, Livermore, for all their qualities, which they do have, there is a total lack of energy or drive.
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The basic lack of bottle and fight in that 45 was shameful , being out worked is unforgivable.
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Too many players have been able to steal a living at the club. The problem ones like Mozza and Brunt have, is that they've outstayed their welcome and their "legend" status is under threat of turning into has beens. They should have gone a couple of years ago. When you start giving goals away (Brunt) it's time to realise you're not the player you used to be.
Everyone in the play off zone will be hoping to get us as their semi final. We're weak and predictable.
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The simple fix is Johansen for Livermore. That's literally all Shan needs to do to turn the game around.
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Brunt was on Morrison. Gardner lost Dawson from the replay.
Retracted.
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HT. Nothing changes. I haven’t enjoyed a minute of this dismal season, and that will be compounded when we inevitably crash out of the play off semis.
When the clowns running this club keep giving the head coach job to people who are serverely under qualified that’s what happens. We got shot of the anti-football, only to have 9 months of blokes who have absolutely no idea what it takes to set up a professional football team. It’s getting pretty depressing because I can see what’s coming, years in this league under a succession of pooh managers.
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Dreadful. Brunt awful. Morrison out of position. Take Brunt off. Morrison in the middle and bring on Murphy.
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The simple fix is Johansen for Livermore. That's literally all Shan needs to do to turn the game around.
Livermore has lost the little form he had , awful .
A good old fashioned rollicking wouldn't hurt , haven't wanted it enough.
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Brunt got lost for their goal.
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It seem we all sing from the same sheet. EXCEPT for our management.
They are blind to our needs to progress.
They are happy to sit down to meals and congratulate one another for whatever they feel like is another excuse to have another meal.
Fat pompous men? Who just draw a salary? And want a pension?
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Brunt was on Morrison. Gardner lost Dawson from the replay.
No, Brunt was on Gardner and let him run off him. Terrible marking.
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Yep, the board are all comfy here draining the club, so are the players.
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Pass the f**king ball.
Apart from Hegazi and Edwards we have been a disgrace!
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Pass the f**king ball.
Apart from Hegazi and Edwards we have been a disgrace!
Hegazi giving away at will mate
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Brunt got lost for their goal.
bloke's a liability
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No idea what JM is doing, worst of the bunch. He looks like he's won a competition to be out there.
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I know there are all sorts of financial implications to not going up, but I regretfully have come to conclusion that it would be an absolute nightmare next season, we need to tear this squad to pieces and start again with a clever tactician in charge, with a vision on how to play, bases around our talented younger players. It’s a bit like a no deal Brexit, take a couple of years of pain for long term gain.
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How come we can see the problems, and those in charge are either blind or thick?
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Brunts Indian Summer seems to be over. Again I hope he proves me wrong.
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That’s 3 appalling halves of football against Blues. The performance at St Andrews was even worse. Somehow only one goal down over those 2+ hours.
Perhaps we’re about to get 45 mins of sparkling brilliance....
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No idea what JM is doing, worst of the bunch. He looks like he's won a competition to be out there.
;D ;D
Toedippers been the same the last few years. Good job our board have let him name his contract terms after years out....
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Last point , JRod ....never a player in an attacking midfield role .
They all tried it , never works.
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Brunts Indian Summer seems to be over. Again I hope he proves me wrong.
Is he playing on the left or in the centre?
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No idea what JM is doing, worst of the bunch. He looks like he's won a competition to be out there.
He was finished 2 seasons ago, only the idiots we employ would keep him on another 2 years. The fact he has another year in his favour makes me want to cry. The fact both he and Brunt are starting in our midfield is pretty damning for Shan’s chances of ever being a manager.
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Hrk for Mozza
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HRK on for Morrison....think that's the end for Mogga...
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Is he playing on the left or in the centre?
Dunno but the amount of force being generated by his nonstop arm flapping has covered the entire pitch using the heat mapping method.
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Brunt -> Gayle -> goal!
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Game on :D
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Dial G for Gayle/goal!
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Sounds good.
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Needed
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GAYLE!
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Wand life.
Superb.
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Dial G for Gayle/goal!
What happened? Did Brunt provide?
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What happened? Did Brunt provide?
Free kick from the right, Brunt delivered and Gayle guided it into the far corner
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What happened? Did Brunt provide?
He did, free kick - Gayle header
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Better start to 2nd half. Come on Albion.
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And HRK is on for Mozza
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Livermore. Get him off. He just stopped running on a break to trip up the opposition. Appalling. I actually think he’s playing ok but that’s appalling.
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And HRK looks lively!
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Lovely, thanks for the update lads! I asked which position Brunt was playing in because he’s excellent out left but dreadful in centre. He only gets panned when playing centre midfield.
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What happened? Did Brunt provide?
Yep super cross TBF
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Lovely, thanks for the update lads! I asked which position Brunt was playing in because he’s excellent out left but dreadful in centre. He only gets panned when playing centre midfield.
he's playing in the centre as a DM, trying to play the quarter back role. He's pinging the passes out but can't get around like he used to
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Lovely, thanks for the update lads! I asked which position Brunt was playing in because he’s excellent out left but dreadful in centre. He only gets panned when playing centre midfield.
Central midfield. Since his return to the side has scored and has multiple assists. He's not in for his tackling.
He's running things 2nd half so far.
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Livermore WILL get punished for that, and rightly so. >:(
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Hegazi has just pulled up :o
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1-2
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2-1 blues
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And Birmingham score from the corner, ffs. No Hegazi on the pitch and they get a free header
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Awful defending again
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No marking.
AGAIN !
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If you'd have told me before either signed for us that Hal Robson Kanu was a far better player than Jay Rodriguez I'd have been sending for a doctor for you.
I'd have been wrong.
2-1 Blues another set piece. Rodriguez the failing marker this time. Foul on us in the build up.
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Cheap for them
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Holgate definitely fouled
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And Birmingham score from the corner, ffs. No Hegazi on the pitch and they get a free header
Because he got caught out of position and went to ground. Only a great block by Townsend stopped a goal.
Hegazi and Dawson or shocking
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Our players look back BEFORE looking forwards !!!!
WHY ????
We need to attack and not just whimper.
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:Pen wba
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Pen to the Albion
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2-2!!
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2-2 JayRod pen! Well won by Townsend
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Definitely a penalty. Best Townsend has played for us.
Jay's only use...
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Definitely a penalty. Best Townsend has played for us.
Jay's only use...
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That's a great pen. Contact was in the box.
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Gayle sitter.
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This game is our season in a microcosm. An absolute car crash but it’s obvious the players are better than the other teams in the league.
Our organisation is an utter shambles, the system has been broken all season, we’re still somehow in with a shot of promotion with the best squad we’re going to have whilst we’re in this league. So what do we do? Leave it all to the under 7’s manager. Standard decision making from a board that is out of touch with modern football.
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These are a dirty cynical side. Didn't realise.
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This game is our season in a microcosm. An absolute car crash but it’s obvious the players are better than the other teams in the league.
Our organisation is an utter shambles, the system has been broken all season, we’re still somehow in with a shot of promotion with the best squad we’re going to have whilst we’re in this league. So what do we do? Leave it all to the under 7’s manager. Standard decision making from a board that is out of touch with modern football.
says it all
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Murphy for Edwards
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What a finish..
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We're still playing catchup.
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3-2 Livermore.screamer!!!
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FKin hell Jake where's that been????? 3-2 Albion 8)
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FKin hell Jake where's that been????? 3-2 Albion 8)
WHO?
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Superb strike from Livermore
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I've seen it all now. ;D
Great goal.
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SJ looks in trouble, tight calf maybe? Limping a bit
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What a cracking goal from jake get innnnnn
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Who gave Livermore permission to do that?!
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I'd love nothing more than for us to just manage this game now. No scares in the last 15 odd minutes.
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Craig Gardner, wait for it
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We need calm heads
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Fair play to Gary monk. With all the troubles at blues and a low budget. Good manager.
I mentioned him a few years ago as a good choice for us.
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I am still not too sure of Shan
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Craig Gardner, wait for it
A shot or the yellow for cutting HRK in half?
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We are not either looking nor thinking. To manage nor play a game
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We are not either looking nor thinking. To manage nor play a game
You get that from a fortune cookie?
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SIX added minutes! :o
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6 additional minutes, not sure I can cope
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6?! Why?!
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Christ on a bike that additional time lasted forever..... Not the greatest but we got 3 points.
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Credit to Shan. We came out a different side second half
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No ... Very lucky
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Shan isn't the answer despite the result in the end. We were absolutely shocking first half. Better performance 2nd half granted but there seems a fragility to us that if it continues we will not get promoted.
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Great change by Shan at half time Morrison off, Kanu on, changed the game.
Something big Dave never seemed capable of.
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A gritty win, much like many of Moore's triumphs our class shone through. Brunts freekick, Gayles finish. Livermore with that strike (I've now decided he does that regularly in training hence the unwarranted amount of game time) Rodriguez proficiency from the spot.
I hate this division though, how on earth have we ended up.having to play 8 minutes added time?
Finally, I hope the decision makers can see past Shan's results to some pretty poor performances and appoint a proper head coach sooner than later.
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Great second half, made a big difference not having JM on there. Even without the goal I thought Livermore was excellent second half. Showed for the ball all the time and rarely misplaced a pass.
We still don't look very coherent though. We just dont seem to get our attacking players close enough together to cause problems, we are too spaced out.
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a wins a win, but we are still so disjointed
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Biggest difference between the 1st half & the 2nd was our passing & tempo both were upt.
3 points is 3 points. COYB
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Theres no way that team is resilient enough to get promoted (be ace to be proven wrong o course). Summed up our season really - played fairly poorly but got the points.
Can't wait to see some proper ball players in midfield
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Poor but a massive win.
Mixed bag from Shan for me. Team started poorly with Morrison played to far wide. But a change at half time helped. I was incensed by Livermore fouling in the second half when we were on thee break but I thought he was our best midfielder. Brunt was terrible for most of the game, saved by some decent dead ball deliveries.
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I think we need to get our heads out our arses as fans and not be so negative all the time. We really have lost touch with where we are and who we are. We didn't even pack out the ground, i don't buy the TV excuse.. not everyone's got a sky subscription and other teams will pack out their ground tv or not. Credit where credit is due. Sign of a decent team, not playing well and winning, nobody was happy with the first half but we turned it around and did the job. What a difference having gayle upfront. Thought Brunt and Hegazi were excellent second half and when Kanu plays like that he really added a bit of presence and calm at the top. I think we need to start being a bit more vocal, loud and positive from now to the end of the season
Blues are no mugs and we did well to win. COYB
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Great result but terrible performance first half. Shan got it wrong in terms of team selection but credit where it's due,unlike Moore he sees it and changes it so fair play for that.
Still need a proper manager installing now though.
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Brunts post match was interesting. Said we'd have lost that match a few months ago. A true reflection or a cheeky dig at DM? Either way, I agree.
We rode our luck at times but in this world you make your own luck.
3 points is 3 points and rhe second half showed what we're capable of. Fighting and defending right to the end.
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Its been a far from ideal season.. real mixed bag I still feel we can make the top 2 with a lot of luck
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Great result...performance was...not so great. Would love us to have an actual manager, but it couldn’t ever be any worse than the previous regime.
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Great result...performance was...not so great. Would love us to have an actual manager, but it couldn’t ever be any worse than the previous regime.
It was much much worse under both Pardew and Irvine.
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Great result...performance was...not so great. Would love us to have an actual manager, but it couldn’t ever be any worse than the previous regime.
The way you go on makes it sound like we were in the relegation zone before Moore left
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First half was close to the worst of the season for me. But we won so quite honestly I’m not sure I care. Not convinced at all by Brunt tonight and playing Morrison wide.
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enjoyable game throughout. just need to keep the pressure on those above and hope they slip up. thought Townsend had a good game tonight but the game changed with the sub at half time. we look a good side when we play a fast tempo similar to the beginning of the season.
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First half was close to the worst of the season for me. But we won so quite honestly I’m not sure I care. Not convinced at all by Brunt tonight and playing Morrison wide.
Morrison playing full stop was a terrible shout and on the right even worse, but at least he reacted to it and changed it which has been an issue all season.
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First half was like we’ve seen most games this season 2nd half is what we are capable of and should be playing for 90 mins. Don’t wish to rip into Dave but Brunt is right, Dave wouldn’t have had the tactical nous to change it up, the Robson Kanu sub really swung the game in our favour.
It feels like a big result this, we need to start putting pressure on Leeds & Sheffield United I feel hopefully 1 if not both will start to crack.
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HRK does seem to make a difference post Barnes and Phillips. Gives us a bit more presence and we look a bit lightweight when he's not on the pitch.
Edwards, nothing spectacular tonight but does look pretty comfortable on the ball and worth his place.
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First half was close to the worst of the season for me. But we won so quite honestly I’m not sure I care. Not convinced at all by Brunt tonight and playing Morrison wide.
Not sure why anyone would try to dispute Brunts inclusion from a position of hindsight.
Since his return to the side we've won every game and he's been a key contributor with goals and assists.
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First time Shan's faced a really physical side rather than playing sides like Brentford and Swansea , fair play to him for reacting at half time after a very poor 45 . If he's still in charge he needs to realise JRod is no attacking midfielder and Morrison isn't a wide option .
Scruffy , ugly win but we need to want it more for me .
Bit of basic desire needed especially both Blues goals , one fault each for Brunt and Jrod on those .
After that I thought Brunt had a good game , on the other hand Hegazi was poor and I think he struggles against big target men .
Decent win after a poor first half , all you can ask.
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First time Shan's faced a really physical side rather than playing sides like Brentford and Swansea , fair play to him for reacting at half time after a very poor 45 . If he's still in charge he needs to realise JRod is no attacking midfielder and Morrison isn't a wide option .
Scruffy , ugly win but we need to want it more for me .
Bit of basic desire needed especially both Blues goals , one fault each for Brunt and Jrod on those .
After that I thought Brunt had a good game , on the other hand Hegazi was poor and I think he struggles against big target men .
Decent win after a poor first half , all you can ask.
I thought Hegazi had a nightmare judging his headers. On the ground he was good.
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Bloody Livermore!... :-\ :-\
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Hardly a inspired half time change, it was down to Morrison feeling his hamstring.
That midfield is not good enough, free kick apart Brunt was poor, lost his man for their first goal and gave away 2 stupid free kicks in dangerous places including one in stoppage time. Livermore not much better, practically anonymous and Morrison the same. First half Edwards looked the only one who cared.
If we want to be serious about going up the board need to act quickly and either get a number 1 in or someone to help Shan ,if we as expected make the play offs we're going to have hopefully 3 important game which needs an experienced head around, not fair on Shan to put it all on him, we've won 3 on the bounce but rode our luck in all 3.
Blues are not a bad side, thats twice this season they've been unlucky not to beat us, admittedly they tried to slow the game down, niggly little fouls but nothing we've not done ourselves in recent times.
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What a great win.
Harper back in for Morrison please.
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Hardly a inspired half time change, it was down to Morrison feeling his hamstring.
That midfield is not good enough, free kick apart Brunt was poor, lost his man for their first goal and gave away 2 stupid free kicks in dangerous places including one in stoppage time. Livermore not much better, practically anonymous and Morrison the same. First half Edwards looked the only one who cared.
If we want to be serious about going up the board need to act quickly and either get a number 1 in or someone to help Shan ,if we as expected make the play offs we're going to have hopefully 3 important game which needs an experienced head around, not fair on Shan to put it all on him, we've won 3 on the bounce but rode our luck in all 3.
Blues are not a bad side, thats twice this season they've been unlucky not to beat us, admittedly they tried to slow the game down, niggly little fouls but nothing we've not done ourselves in recent times.
The one in stoppage time was a superb professional foul, would have been dereliction of duty had he not clattered him. This is where I struggle with your say what I see by line. ;D
I also thought Blues were more cynical than we've ever been this season.
Agree with most of the rest...
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The one in stoppage time was a superb professional foul, would have been dereliction of duty had he not clattered him. This is where I struggle with your say what I see by line. ;D
I also thought Blues were more cynical than we've ever been this season.
Agree with most of the rest...
It was a cracking tackle, just the wrong place on the pitch, should have done what Gardner did earlier and did it in the corner in the opposition half :D
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It was much much worse under both Pardew and Irvine.
Add Pulis to that’ please
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Shan isn't the answer despite the result in the end. We were absolutely shocking first half. Better performance 2nd half granted but there seems a fragility to us that if it continues we will not get promoted.
Agreed mate, that first half was as bad as anything under Pulis, Pardew and Moore. There is no cohesion whatever. We keep changing the manager, and the bloody players cannot pass wind.
Morrison urine poor and yet Shan admitted that his removal was enforced by injury and was not tactical.
Where the hell was Kyle Edwards supposed to be playing, the kid did not seem to know what his role was.He should be on the right for goodness sake.
Why has Rekeem Harper been cast aside.
I do not wish to be hard on James Shan because he is some kind of miracle worker. I have witnessed us pick up 9 points under his tenure where 3 would have probably been a fairer return.
I am not complaining, but i will be if we go into the play-offs in this kind of ragged arsed form.
For goodness sake get a Manager in and not the usual suspects to assist Shan.
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Add Pulis to that’ please
No because it wasn't.
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I think people are being overly critical of Shan, remember before we hadn't won in about 6 home games? He's inexperienced and has come in and won 3 on the bounce, putting us in a much better position for the play-offs...and dare I say it even back into the automatics if he keeps at it.
Anyway, my main point is that so far he's proven to be a better manager than Moore. It's still early days but he's proven he has a bit extra when it comes to management - I think a big part of it is making substitutions much earlier, something Moore was very bad at.
I'm not saying that Shan is a messiah by any means - but I think he is clearly better than Moore and the results prove it. I can't help but feel under Moore we'd have 5 points from 9 instead of the full 9. Another example is playing Townsend; a player who is actually put in the correct position, rather than shoe-horning in Mears or Bartley etc. That is the difference and even though we weren't great tonight at times, we still won.
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Before I comment my whole match review, why did hegazi feel the need to go off the pitch rather than go down on the pitch. Felt him missing from the free kick didn’t help when they scored.
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The one in stoppage time was a superb professional foul, would have been dereliction of duty had he not clattered him. This is where I struggle with your say what I see by line. ;D
I also thought Blues were more cynical than we've ever been this season.
Agree with most of the rest...
Agree and actually though Livermore had a good game too
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I think people are being overly critical of Shan, remember before we hadn't won in about 6 home games? He's inexperienced and has come in and won 3 on the bounce, putting us in a much better position for the play-offs...and dare I say it even back into the automatics if he keeps at it.
Anyway, my main point is that so far he's proven to be a better manager than Moore. It's still early days but he's proven he has a bit extra when it comes to management - I think a big part of it is making substitutions much earlier, something Moore was very bad at.
I'm not saying that Shan is a messiah by any means - but I think he is clearly better than Moore and the results prove it. I can't help but feel under Moore we'd have 5 points from 9 instead of the full 9. Another example is playing Townsend; a player who is actually put in the correct position, rather than shoe-horning in Mears or Bartley etc. That is the difference and even though we weren't great tonight at times, we still won.
Couldn't disagree more. You can only compare Shan to Darren's Premier League record at this stage which was absolutely fantastic.
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No because it wasn't.
Yes it was. Awful manager, just my opinion of course.
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No because it wasn't.
Oh yes it was...... Panto season??
First half shocking all round... players, fans, team set up, the whole shebang! The atmosphere felt tense and made me wonder when the home fans had become such miserable bastards. Second half the teams efforts lifted the fans who responded well and actually got behind the boys to the end.
Shan got some new manager luck having to bring on HRK as he really changed the game. He can hold the ball up and draws fouls like a master craftsman. Gayle needed that goal, could now do with one from the feet as he put a couple of half chances well over. Edwards looked a bit lost at first but thought he had a decent game once he found his feet. Brunteh is still not a CM but what fantastic delivery and Jake........moves like a tugboat and passes like one too at times but what a hit!!
Miss Darren Moore but the main difference seems to be an acceptance that you can just clear your lines to ease pressure and our players need that.
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Another downer for me was the booing at half-time. It is normally not necessary to let the players know that their performance was abject, they surely know it. I do wonder what we have become sometimes.
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First half we went with a flat 4-4-2. It didn't work at all.
Second half, Robson-Kanu changed the game, played higher up the pitch in more of a 4-3-3 and started to hold the ball up and bully the Blues defenders. They didn't like it one bit.They struggled to cope second half, foul after foul.
Overall we deserved the win but Jimmy Shan needs to learn lessons from that first half, it was really poor.
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Another downer for me was the booing at half-time. It is normally not necessary to let the players know that their performance was abject, they surely know it. I do wonder what we have become sometimes.
Here here. Disgrace, yesThe first half was poor however there is no need to slide the team like people did after one half
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A tough well earned win against what I thought was a very decent championship side. Couldn't really expect much in the first half when we have 3 older players who are unfortunately slow and a young kid in the midfield. Brunt & Mozza have been great servants to our club for many years and it is sad that age has caught up with them. HRK creates chaos in the forward half, sometimes I think he doesn't even know what he will do, it was the perfect remedy to break down a pretty stubborn defence, overall a great result. We do not have the Man City squad, a couple of average prem standard players, half a dozen below average prem players and loans and kids is what is here. Still think that as a team we can win the remaining games, up to the top 3 to slip up. Fingers crossed.
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Couldn't disagree more. You can only compare Shan to Darren's Premier League record at this stage which was absolutely fantastic.
I'm not saying to give Shan the full time job, but my point is at this moment the change has worked - call it 'new manager bounce' or whatever you like, the difference is clear that Moore was stagnating whereas under Shan we look better.
Besides, a big reason for Moore's success in the Premier League was the clear difference in tactics to what he used in the Championship; there he was defending for most of the games whereas he had to attack more in this division, so he was always going to look different in a harder league.
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I'm not saying to give Shan the full time job, but my point is at this moment the change has worked - call it 'new manager bounce' or whatever you like, the difference is clear that Moore was stagnating whereas under Shan we look better.
Besides, a big reason for Moore's success in the Premier League was the clear difference in tactics to what he used in the Championship; there he was defending for most of the games whereas he had to attack more in this division, so he was always going to look different in a harder league.
I agree with you, Shan has done nothing magic, just put square pegs in square holes, stopped the ridiculous passing out from the back with no gain or advantage, plus a clear greater tactical awareness.
He probably is not the long term solution, but he is, without question doing a good job, if he gets us promoted however, it will pose a real dilemma.
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Was a definite penalty by the way, foul was inside the box, tried to jump the challenge (just outside the box) but was clipped by a raised leg inside the box.
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Was a definite penalty by the way, foul was inside the box, tried to jump the challenge (just outside the box) but was clipped by a raised leg inside the box.
think you might be the only one that thinks that
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Was a definite penalty by the way, foul was inside the box, tried to jump the challenge (just outside the box) but was clipped by a raised leg inside the box.
100% outside the box
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100% outside the box
Watch it again
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think you might be the only one that thinks that
No I agree with him. The actual contact with the raised leg is on the line and on the line is inside the box. Penalty for me.
Blues second goal clear foul on Mason Holgate as well so they are not as hard done to as they are making out.
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First half was very, very poor. Blues had all the ascendancy and we could not get any momentum together. We looked like a side that was threw together of the morning.
Second half was much better - the change may have been enforced but HRK certainly changed the game - he held the ball up and gave Rodriguez and Gayle a platform to play off
We always looked vulnerable and never quite comfortable - again there are questions regarding the dynamic of that midfield, but I’m glad to see us get over the line
The Hawthorns was bouncing in the second half - always a great sight
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As they say, nailed on penalty, ref was ‘spot on’..........!
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No I agree with him. The actual contact with the raised leg is on the line and on the line is inside the box. Penalty for me.
Blues second goal clear foul on Mason Holgate as well so they are not as hard done to as they are making out.
Without wishing to be pedantic, it was inside the line and not even questionable, the ref was also in the perfect position to see it.
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Was going to give credit to Jimmy for replacing Morrison at half time but being reported that James felt his hamstring. First half was poor and changes had to be made at interval especially in midfield where we have a problem.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/47379517
BBC site..... 65 minute report
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First half we went with a flat 4-4-2. It didn't work at all.
Second half, Robson-Kanu changed the game, played higher up the pitch in more of a 4-3-3 and started to hold the ball up and bully the Blues defenders. They didn't like it one bit.They struggled to cope second half, foul after foul.
Overall we deserved the win but Jimmy Shan needs to learn lessons from that first half, it was really poor.
First half was a 4 4 1 1 mate , JRod in the hole behind Gayle . Personally think its a waste playing JRod there , never was or will be that type of player
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First half was a 4 4 1 1 mate , JRod in the hole behind Gayle . Personally think its a waste playing JRod there , never was or will be that type of player
J Rod is just that type of player that drops deeper, rather like Bergkamp used to behind Henry at Arsenal. He doesn't play on the last defender. I'd still call it 4-4-2 but if you want to call it 4-4-1-1 I wouldn't argue with it.
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J Rod is just that type of player that drops deeper, rather like Bergkamp used to behind Henry at Arsenal. He doesn't play on the last defender. I'd still call it 4-4-2 but if you want to call it 4-4-1-1 I wouldn't argue with it.
Have to accept each others view mate , for me he takes too long to get the pass away .
I prefer him floating at the front or coming in from the left.
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As they say, nailed on penalty, ref was ‘spot on’..........!
It was a penalty, and any defender who challenges like that on the edge of the box can't complain, you can't just clear out man and ball like that.
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Dreadful first half, we took too long to get the ball forward, players struggled to pass to a team mate, dreadful marking at corners. Midfield selection was all wrong with Morrison, Brunt and Livermore all doing the same job (badly). Morrison was the worst of the 3 though but that may have been down to an injury. We looked very lopsided with only Edwards able to provide some width from midfield. Thought Brunt's dead balls were really good all night though.
Townsend had a very mixed game for me as he was often isolated with Mahoney and couldn't seem to stop the crosses coming in to the box, Holgate on the other side was worse for me though as he seems to have stopped making the forward runs he used to do when he first came and like Townsend he doesn't stop many crosses getting in to the box.
2nd half was head and shoulders above the first and we actually started to look like a side in the top 4
Fortunately the sub was enforced as we needed someone to hold the ball up and bring Gayle and Rodriguez in and HRK did that well.Gayle took his goal well which he needed to after missing that header in the first half and having a very indifferent game generally.
What last night showed me was Shan has got us playing a style that the players are more comfortable with but the mistakes are still there and we definitely miss Gibbs and Phillips.
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when will we put in a decent all round performance for 90 minutes. misfired all season. we should be in top two with this squad of footballers
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The thing with Holgate is, like in yesterday's game, he has to trust that JM or HRK will cover if he wants to get down on the overlap and we're caught out. Neither of them do the work that Phillips does in tracking.
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Dreadful first half, we took too long to get the ball forward, players struggled to pass to a team mate, dreadful marking at corners. Midfield selection was all wrong with Morrison, Brunt and Livermore all doing the same job (badly). Morrison was the worst of the 3 though but that may have been down to an injury. We looked very lopsided with only Edwards able to provide some width from midfield. Thought Brunt's dead balls were really good all night though.
Townsend had a very mixed game for me as he was often isolated with Mahoney and couldn't seem to stop the crosses coming in to the box, Holgate on the other side was worse for me though as he seems to have stopped making the forward runs he used to do when he first came and like Townsend he doesn't stop many crosses getting in to the box.
2nd half was head and shoulders above the first and we actually started to look like a side in the top 4
Fortunately the sub was enforced as we needed someone to hold the ball up and bring Gayle and Rodriguez in and HRK did that well.Gayle took his goal well which he needed to after missing that header in the first half and having a very indifferent game generally.
What last night showed me was Shan has got us playing a style that the players are more comfortable with but the mistakes are still there and we definitely miss Gibbs and Phillips.
Hull Baggie you have summed up my thoughts to a tee. I mentioned about Holgate to the guys in front of me that he seems to have stopped trying o get beyond his man. The first time he did that was in the second half 1st minute from a ball from Robson-Kanu and he went past his man and got fouled. Result Brunt free kick Gayle goal. He looked a lot better second half for some reason.
Still not sure about Townsend, his positioning leaves a lot to be desired however perhaps we have been spoilt with Gibbs. Good support to win the penalty though.
I think we still lack pace in midfield a player that get beyond the forwards. Ours are too slow to get up and down however have to applaud the Livermore goal, a cracker.
In fairness neither goalkeeper had a lot to do, Johnstone was far busier against Swansea yet we kept a clean sheet. Weird.
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Before I comment my whole match review, why did hegazi feel the need to go off the pitch rather than go down on the pitch. Felt him missing from the free kick didn’t help when they scored.
Agreed, think there would have been more focus on this if we hadn't come back and won. Hope someone has had a word.
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Agreed, think there would have been more focus on this if we hadn't come back and won. Hope someone has had a word.
If he had have gone down on the pitch he would still have been missing for the corner, not sure it’s that much of an issue.
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If he had have gone down on the pitch he would still have been missing for the corner, not sure it’s that much of an issue.
He seemed to gesture that he couldn't go on, then walked off - you usually see a distress signal to the bench to get someone warmed up while they hobble on for a minute or two. Something odd about it anyway. For what it's worth they picked up on it on Sky and Dawson seemed to be looking in the direction of the bench when the goal went in as if to say why are we a CB short.
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Before I comment my whole match review, why did hegazi feel the need to go off the pitch rather than go down on the pitch. Felt him missing from the free kick didn’t help when they scored.
Same outcome, if he'd gone down on the pitch and received treatment he would have had to leave the pitch after treatment and so would have been missing for the corner anyway.
Doesn't excuse the fact the defence as a hole should have done better
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Same outcome, if he'd gone down on the pitch and received treatment he would have had to leave the pitch after treatment and so would have been missing for the corner anyway.
Doesn't excuse the fact the defence as a hole should have done better
But they are allowed back on quickly when it's after receiving treatment. Free kick in that position he'd have been back on. As you say our set piece defending was not great last night - Birmingham certainly a big team with some decent deliveries going in.
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Anyone else notice that when hegazi went off again later Johnstone went down too so that the game had to stop?
Great game management by us imo, as learnt from the mistake of having him off the pitch for their corner which got them a goal.
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Anyone spot the absolute blatant dive for a pen by the brum player. Nowhere near any contact at all. Wonder if he'll be getting a lengthy ban for it?
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For the record:
Official attendance: 24,789
Albion: 22,220
Birmingham: 2,569
Blues sold out of their allocation but we're some way short of Leeds and Norwich's followings. Knowing Blues they probably got arrested before they got to the ground. :P Had they sold the same as Leeds and Norwich we would've been around 50 - 60 people short of 25,000.
To be fair to Blues they were probably given less tickets than Leeds and Norwich for extra stewarding but I doubt they were given any less tickets than Villa were and Villa brought more than Blues did.
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Anyone spot the absolute blatant dive for a pen by the brum player. Nowhere near any contact at all. Wonder if he'll be getting a lengthy ban for it?
Not unless he won a penalty and they scored it, and it means they got a point from the game... So no.
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The penalty given was inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He9XWzXNRew
Tackle outside but the foul inside.
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Anyone spot the absolute blatant dive for a pen by the brum player. Nowhere near any contact at all. Wonder if he'll be getting a lengthy ban for it?
I think he might have been looking for Brunt (I think it was) to stick out a leg, but he was about a yard away, so he did look a complete tw@t
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The penalty given was inside.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He9XWzXNRew
Tackle outside but the foul inside.
Swhat I said. ;D
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Waited a couple of days to post but here goes -
First half i think we were a bit shocked by blues intensity if im honest dont really remember us having much going forward and it was sad watch morrison who despite injuries had always still looked good enough but looked put of his depth.
Second half whilst there were still errors and we can debate the penalty forever and a day we had one thing that i havent seen for a while which was the resilience to bounce back from being behind twice to go on and win the game.
Also a word has to be said as im often critical of the atmosphere at the Hawthorns being a bit to quiet etc the atmosphere friday was fantastic and reminded me why i love that place so much.
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Seen the highlights again this morning - clear foul on Mason Holgate in the box for Blues second goal. Staggering that the officials missed it really
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Seen the highlights again this morning - clear foul on Mason Holgate in the box for Blues second goal. Staggering that the officials missed it really
Yep. I was listening to WM after the match with Blues fans and Richard Wilford moaning on about how Blues got a rough deal, about how they'd seen replays of the penalty and it was outside the area blah, blah, blah.
Reality is we deserved the win the penalty WAS a penalty and we should've had a free kick for their second goal.
We benefited from the hand of Rod vs Villa and Dwight Gayle's dive against Forest but there was nothing dodgy about this result.
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Yep. I was listening to WM after the match with Blues fans and Richard Wilford moaning on about how Blues got a rough deal, about how they'd seen replays of the penalty and it was outside the area blah, blah, blah.
Reality is we deserved the win the penalty WAS a penalty and we should've had a free kick for their second goal.
We benefited from the hand of Rod vs Villa and Dwight Gayle's dive against Forest but there was nothing dodgy about this result.
Totally agree