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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #100 on: August 02, 2016, 08:46:40 AM »
If the result and performance are meaningless then what's the point in turning up. We should be beating these kinds of teams by default and considering this is how we played for the majority of last season you can see why people are fed up.
The result is a bit meaningless but the performance certainly is not.
It's not ALL about fitness, if it was they would stay in the gym wired up to monitors. It is also about shape, formation, passing and movement etc. and you are absolutely right, what we appear to be seeing is an exact mirror of how we finished the season, on the back foot, setting up to defend with no real attacking endeavour.
If we played well, trying different things and creating a few chances, the result wouldn't matter. When you lose, creating very little and following the same blueprint that yielded no wins in the last 10, then yes, I would say it matters.
We are crying out for some creativity, but we also need a formation and set up that enables us to utilise it. No good buying attacking players if all they do is defend.

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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #101 on: August 02, 2016, 08:57:01 AM »
After the game,  Dave Kemp said: "we were more positive in our attacking play tonight". Can anyone who was there confirm or deny this please? Of course, it may not take too much to be more positive than a goalless draw against Plymouth.

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« Reply #102 on: August 02, 2016, 09:17:19 AM »
The result is a bit meaningless but the performance certainly is not.
It's not ALL about fitness, if it was they would stay in the gym wired up to monitors. It is also about shape, formation, passing and movement etc. and you are absolutely right, what we appear to be seeing is an exact mirror of how we finished the season, on the back foot, setting up to defend with no real attacking endeavour.
If we played well, trying different things and creating a few chances, the result wouldn't matter. When you lose, creating very little and following the same blueprint that yielded no wins in the last 10, then yes, I would say it matters.
We are crying out for some creativity, but we also need a formation and set up that enables us to utilise it. No good buying attacking players if all they do is defend.

Top post. Sums up my feelings entirely.

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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #103 on: August 02, 2016, 09:18:30 AM »
Christ, if you go to a preseason friendly and get upset about the result and performance then you're not cut out to be a football supporter. They're about fitness getting youngsters involved and if necessary integrating new players, our new player scored.

The majority of your posts are decent. But you comes across as a bit of a tw*t with this one.

Why shouldn't fans feel frustrated we can't beat a non-league side, with almost a full side out. Two weeks away from the start of the season, we should be clicking. It's not like we've had a complete overhaul is it? One new player to gel.

Not cut out to be a football supporter? May as well send my season ticket back and my Palace one too then  ::)
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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #104 on: August 02, 2016, 09:32:08 AM »
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« Reply #105 on: August 02, 2016, 09:44:45 AM »
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.

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« Reply #106 on: August 02, 2016, 09:49:27 AM »
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.


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« Reply #107 on: August 02, 2016, 09:54:33 AM »
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.

I fail to see how these games are as you put it 'irrelevant' if thats the case why not just play against each other in training?
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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #108 on: August 02, 2016, 09:57:24 AM »
After the game,  Dave Kemp said: "we were more positive in our attacking play tonight". Can anyone who was there confirm or deny this please? Of course, it may not take too much to be more positive than a goalless draw against Plymouth.

Yes, I would say this is a fair comment, there was a little more attacking play in last nights game, but for me, there didn't seem to be a clear plan on how we were approaching the game from the off. Our central midfield  seemed to go missing at points in both games (either sitting to deep or being pulled out to wide). The most startling thing about both games for me was the fact we are so predictable in most things we do in our play. I'm worried for our club. We need big changes from top to bottom.
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« Reply #109 on: August 02, 2016, 10:09:34 AM »
Looking for a positive , Matt Phillips looks useful and his goal was well taken .

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« Reply #110 on: August 02, 2016, 11:35:40 AM »
The main purposes of pre season is to build fitness and sharpness. Fitness might be getting there with each game they play but when will the fluency and sharpness come? Maybe things will fall into place when the season starts..........? The pattern of play seems to be continuing from the end of last season so far when we were awful?

Same players, same manager, same tactics same result!
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« Reply #111 on: August 02, 2016, 11:58:58 AM »
Same players, same manager, same tactics same result!

Don't worry it was only a friendly. Things will be completely different a week on Saturday so I'm led to believe.  ;D
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« Reply #112 on: August 02, 2016, 12:11:46 PM »
You don't expect to lose to a non-league side with a nearly full side out either way

at 70% fitness we should be able to deal with sides like this with ease.

Its a little embarrassing but if losing to Torquay means we have a good season then so be it
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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #113 on: August 02, 2016, 01:47:08 PM »
Disappointing result but I expect that TP knows his starting 11 for the Palace game and although he would have wanted a win staying injury free would have been uppermost in his thoughts and the players too...there was a post early giving a prediction of a 1-0 win against Palace with them having all the play and possession..I fully concur with that...I want to be entertained as much as the next fan and have been extremely frustrated over the last few seasons...but everytime I look at the Internet and newspapers it says WBA are in the Premiership so we must be doing something right albeit in a not very entertaining way...

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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #114 on: August 02, 2016, 04:16:09 PM »
Ffs we lost in a friendly to a non - league club and the doom and gloom starts, If we had lost to a non - league club in the FA Cup ( remember Woking ) I could understand it but the match was a friendly, we didn't lose three points and we wor knocked out of a cup, so the result meant nothing.  Oh BTW it was a great weekend down there with all the Baggie fans.
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« Reply #115 on: August 02, 2016, 04:37:49 PM »
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.

Does look like it but every clubs fans are the same even those that actually win stuff regularly. I do think some take some comfort in a poor performance just to have a pop about something though, i've avoided Twitter for a long time purely for that reason.
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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #116 on: August 02, 2016, 04:45:02 PM »
Ffs we lost in a friendly to a non - league club and the doom and gloom starts, If we had lost to a non - league club in the FA Cup ( remember Woking ) I could understand it but the match was a friendly, we didn't lose three points and we wor knocked out of a cup, so the result meant nothing.  Oh BTW it was a great weekend down there with all the Baggie fans.

It's not the result that most people are worried about. It's the fact that we've dished up yet another tripe performance. Nothing has changed from the end of last season. Only new signings and a change of approach from TP will improve things.
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« Reply #117 on: August 02, 2016, 06:02:53 PM »
Whereas in reality, anyone who thinks this result and performance will have any bearing on how we do in the league is seriously deluded...
It's not to do with the result, it's to do with only one new signing, still playing players out of position and trying to get a draw, nothing will change until Pulis as gone.

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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #118 on: August 02, 2016, 07:06:52 PM »
Does look like it but every clubs fans are the same even those that actually win stuff regularly. I do think some take some comfort in a poor performance just to have a pop about something though, i've avoided Twitter for a long time purely for that reason.

Similarly some can't wait to jump on the "moaners" and tell everyone what a fantastic supporter they are. Sadly both sides of the arguments have their idiots.
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« Reply #119 on: August 02, 2016, 07:19:57 PM »
Similarly some can't wait to jump on the "moaners" and tell everyone what a fantastic supporter they are. Sadly both sides of the arguments have their idiots.

Just like some can't wait to drag out the happy clapper stuff to those that don't pounce on pulis constantly, swings and roundabouts.
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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #120 on: August 02, 2016, 07:28:31 PM »
I fail to see how these games are as you put it 'irrelevant' if thats the case why not just play against each other in training?

It is irrelevant. We've saw domestic and international sides have dreadful pre seasons and go on to have a successful period.

Pulis sides rely on effort you'd never expect us to do well in pre seasons really. I wouldn't want us to either lol 

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« Reply #121 on: August 02, 2016, 07:34:00 PM »
Similarly some can't wait to jump on the "moaners" and tell everyone what a fantastic supporter they are. Sadly both sides of the arguments have their idiots.

I get your point, but I think moaning about friendlies is a very new phenomenom which has been enhanced by twitter et al.

Back in the 90's when coverage was less, no one cared because they didn't see the results. You could ask your average Albion fan who we played and they probably wouldn't know, or at least not know the score. Now it's all over the internet and is more significant in that sense to fans. Case in point, I watched the PSG and Vitesse games on streams and the Kiddie game had highlights. It's very, very new that friendlies are getting coverage.

So I'm sure this kind of result would have happened in our recent history albeit with less widespread information on the matter. In fact, under Hodgson we lost to a non-league USA team, but even as little as 3-5 years ago there wasn't as much unrest or information freely available with friendly matches.

Anyway, whilst I personally think the result was academic, I can see the tension with some fans especially due to our lack of signings. It seems the club is in transition right now which people don't like, i.e. not knowing whether the takeover will genuinely happen, people don't like being left in the dark.

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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #122 on: August 02, 2016, 09:59:46 PM »
I personally feel there is a much bigger interest in pre season this year because it is so pivotal - we were all expecting / hoping for an improvement from last season. I think people are upset because there is no clear plan of transitioning to a better style of play. We look exactly the same as we did in May - awful.
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Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
« Reply #123 on: August 03, 2016, 01:01:46 PM »
In friendlies I understand the team is not going flat out, with the prospect of injuries the main reason. I would not expect defenders to make reckless , last ditch tackles etc. However, you would expect the team to take risks attacking-wise. I can't understand how we can't open up a non-league outfit. Or maybe I can. Pulis teams are based on solid defensive organisation, with forwards expected to track back to help the defence. The problem is attacking creative play. This is a recurring problem. I don't even think Sakho will solve it. We field too many defensive players. Why do we always need a back 4? When you are expected to be dominating the play, e.g. against non-league opposition,  then why not play a back 3 and free up an extra attacking player. Otherwise, you have redundant back 4 player(s) who don't have the skill to add anything going forward. Or at least get in full backs that can go forward with the ball. This is what most of the Premier League teams have.  I can only see us struggling again this season unless we are alot more positive going forward in numbers. You hope that Pulis has learned from his Stoke days to be more positive, but I'm not holding my breath!     
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