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Off Topic => General Football & Sports => Topic started by: Mister AT on August 01, 2018, 02:10:57 PM
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https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/albion-confirm-jones-appointment/
ALBION are today delighted to confirm the appointment of Graeme Jones as new Assistant Head Coach.
Graeme joins fresh from his successful role alongside Roberto Martinez in helping guide Belgium to a third-place finish at this summer’s World Cup.
The reunion with Head Coach Darren Moore comes after the pair struck up a lifelong friendship during one season together earlier in their playing careers at Doncaster Rovers.
But it is a partnership Darren has been eager to resume in the belief that he has found the perfect blend for a new era at The Hawthorns.
Darren says: “Graeme and I have never been out of contact since those first days together at Doncaster and I cannot tell you how delighted I am to have him alongside me.
“He has all the right qualities as a man and all the right qualities as a coach. His attention to detail, his career record, and his qualities as a human being are exactly why I was determined he join me.
“He is an attack-minded coach and while I know what I want from our forward play, I believe Graeme can deliver that with precision.â€
Graeme was at the Palm Training Ground today busily helping Darren make plans for the season’s opener against Bolton at The Hawthorns.
Darren insisted Graeme take a family holiday after the intensity of his World Cup campaign with Nacer Chadli’s Belgium to ensure he was fresh for the Championship challenge looming.
Now the pair will achieve their mutual dream of working together as they step into the home dug-out for the first time on Saturday.
Graeme says: “From a football perspective we need to get Albion back to where we should be, where we were.â€
You can see Graeme’s first interview on his new appointment here at WBATV tomorrow.
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Announced now as Darren Moore insisted he took a break with his family.
It's almost as if the club DO know what they're doing and all the pant wetting is completely unfounded.
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Welcome Graeme. I hope it's a successful apointment. Took a while but seems that Moore finally got his man.
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Announced now as Darren Moore insisted he took a break with his family.
It's almost as if the club DO know what they're doing and all the pant wetting is completely unfounded.
I did notice the bit where Darren Moore was adamant he had his break, shows that Darren Moore isn't in a 'major' rush to get his man in and was quite calm about the whole situation.
Welcome Graeme.
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Excellent news, Welcome Graeme. Boing, boing!
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I did notice the bit where Darren Moore was adamant he had his break, shows that Darren Moore isn't in a 'major' rush to get his man in and was quite calm about the whole situation.
Welcome Graeme.
Wait till everyone finds out the away kit wasn't a last minute job. Heads will explode.
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Great appointment.....i think we can all agree!
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Welcome Graeme, a long-awaited appointment. :)
Hope he could help Big Dave to build a balanced team.
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Bring Henry with him as striking coach!! :D :D
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Welcome to the Albion Graeme.
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Heard he's already convinced the Chelsea pair to
Turn down Madrid and will both pay off the Chelsea contracts and fancy a season in the champ
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If he can get us playing on the front foot ala Belgium he'll do for me
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The good thing about this is that they are close and want to work together, and that can only be good for the club.
Welcome Graeme........really looking forward to the new season now!
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Welcome to our new assistant head coach.
Just a pity Belgium had such a decent run in the World Cup.
Could have done with him in earlier, still, it's a long season ahead.
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Welcome to the Albion GJ
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Excellent intro article on the main site:
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/darren-moore-on-graeme-jones/
Great insight from DM about Graeme & why it was so important for him to bring him aboard, gives some insight into DMs philosophy on footie & his expectations of the players.
DARREN Moore has explained why he was determined to realise his dream of working alongside Graeme Jones, the new Assistant Head Coach whose appointment was today confirmed.
The pair have been close friends and footballing soul mates ever since they spent one season together during their playing days at Doncaster Rovers.
They have never been out of contact since, with Darren revealing that his pal was a constant sounding board during his six-game season finale as interim Head Coach.
By then, the new man was locked into Belgium’s World Cup campaign. Graeme has worked alongside Roberto Martinez through his posts at Wigan, Everton and finally with the team which finished third in Russia this summer.
But now they are together at last, delayed only by the Albion gaffer’s insistence that Graeme take a family holiday after the World Cup to ‘recharge his batteries’ in readiness for the Championship challenge ahead.
Summing up why he had waited to ensure Graeme be assistant Darren said: “His attention to detail, his work ethic, his professionalism, his achievements and performance at the highest level . . . beyond all that, his qualities as a human being are what I want to bring into this building in every appointment.
“His philosophies within the game, how it should be played . . . he is an attack-minded coach who knows what I want from forward play and I believe he can deliver it with precision.
“We’ve been friends ever since that season together and never been out of touch, no matter where we’ve been in the game. We’ve always spoken football and that connection has been there from day one.
"I’ve been out watching him in training with Roberto and we have always had this exchange of views. His outlook on the game from both a defensive and attacking point of view is something that works for me.
“His football knowledge and ability are only part of it. His qualities as a man are just as important. He is a wonderful person who can only benefit West Bromwich Albion going forward.
“I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics.
“Ever since this opportunity was available, I know the Club has appealed to him and he is excited by what we want to do here. Graeme can impact the Club in many, many ways which can only be good for West Bromwich Albion.â€
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“I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics".
Big ouch goes out to Pardew and Carver et.al ;D .
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Excellent intro article on the main site:
https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/darren-moore-on-graeme-jones/
Great insight from DM about Graeme & why it was so important for him to bring him aboard, gives some insight into DMs philosophy on footie & his expectations of the players.
DARREN Moore has explained why he was determined to realise his dream of working alongside Graeme Jones, the new Assistant Head Coach whose appointment was today confirmed.
The pair have been close friends and footballing soul mates ever since they spent one season together during their playing days at Doncaster Rovers.
They have never been out of contact since, with Darren revealing that his pal was a constant sounding board during his six-game season finale as interim Head Coach.
By then, the new man was locked into Belgium’s World Cup campaign. Graeme has worked alongside Roberto Martinez through his posts at Wigan, Everton and finally with the team which finished third in Russia this summer.
But now they are together at last, delayed only by the Albion gaffer’s insistence that Graeme take a family holiday after the World Cup to ‘recharge his batteries’ in readiness for the Championship challenge ahead.
Summing up why he had waited to ensure Graeme be assistant Darren said: “His attention to detail, his work ethic, his professionalism, his achievements and performance at the highest level . . . beyond all that, his qualities as a human being are what I want to bring into this building in every appointment.
“His philosophies within the game, how it should be played . . . he is an attack-minded coach who knows what I want from forward play and I believe he can deliver it with precision.
“We’ve been friends ever since that season together and never been out of touch, no matter where we’ve been in the game. We’ve always spoken football and that connection has been there from day one.
"I’ve been out watching him in training with Roberto and we have always had this exchange of views. His outlook on the game from both a defensive and attacking point of view is something that works for me.
“His football knowledge and ability are only part of it. His qualities as a man are just as important. He is a wonderful person who can only benefit West Bromwich Albion going forward.
“I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics.
“Ever since this opportunity was available, I know the Club has appealed to him and he is excited by what we want to do here. Graeme can impact the Club in many, many ways which can only be good for West Bromwich Albion.â€
Loving this already!
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Bring Henry with him as striking coach!! :D :D
Bring Henry with him as a striker!
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“I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics".
Big ouch goes out to Pardew and Carver et.al ;D .
I thought that quote was very interesting. However worrying Moore's experience as manager may be, his views on the personalities and people that he wants to bring into the club are fantastic and exactly how it should be.
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Henry is in talks to take over the Egyptian national squad apparently - but nice thought!!
He could still play and put our lot to shame.....
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I thought that quote was very interesting. However worrying Moore's experience as manager may be, his views on the personalities and people that he wants to bring into the club are fantastic and exactly how it should be.
respect for taxi drivers aswell? oh no they still play for us so not always about pardew etc but easy to jump on pardew and pulis
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I thought that quote was very interesting. However worrying Moore's experience as manager may be, his views on the personalities and people that he wants to bring into the club are fantastic and exactly how it should be.
Couldn’t agree more. And he’s had the balls to bring in an assistant with arguably better experience than himself. That shows great character. Proud to be a Baggie again.
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That's a great story and quotes from Big Dave. Really does seem to be a bit of a feel good factor back at the club.
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Good solid appointment, can't believe some people were panicking.
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love the cultural references, humility is a rare thing in footy nowadays.
I cannot see any downside to this appointment. Welcome Mr Jones.
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Excellent appointment for me. Hopefully this means we are going to see some attacking football this year.
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Very sound appointment, and worth the wait. Moves like this from the club are much welcomed and very reassuring.
Really hope Jones and Big Dave make it happen this year, but if we're competing and moving in the right direction then eventual promotion would be all the moore sweeter.
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I'm pleased that this position has finally been sorted out and it looks to be an excellent appointment. I look forward to seeing how Darren and Graeme work together.
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“I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics".
Big ouch goes out to Pardew and Carver et.al ;D .
I'm wondering how well Jenkins fits into Darren's vision of the club to be honest....
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Welcome to West Bromwich Albion Graeme
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I'm wondering how well Jenkins fits into Darren's vision of the club to be honest....
I can understand your concern but signs are that he is giving DM some license to run the playing and coaching staff side himself - no doubt within certain boundaries.
Pleasing appointment this.
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I'm delighted with this.
On balance most of the pre-season news has been pretty good.
I'm holding out hope...
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“I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics.
This is an interest quote from Moore on the club's website and probably refers to the dressing room attitude at times last season.
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Very shrewd appointment in my opinion.
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-Get along together great
-clearly felt need to wait for the right number 2
-attacking coach to complement defensive one
-speaking in a ‘WE must get back to where WE belong ‘ manner
Big thumbs up from me
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Jones had got a great position coaching one of the best teams in the world so it's great he's given that up to join us and team up with DM. this could be the best signing we do this summer.
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What a great appointment Graham is,he has an excellent pedigree and a friend of Dave as well couldn't be a better fit.
I don't think our coaches will stand for any funny business or slacking they will demand respect and this new crop of youngsters we've got will give them that respect and listen to their experience good times ahead I think.
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Great appointment!
Seems Darren had it under control for a while from the press coverage and made him have a break!
Welcome Graeme!
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;D Maybe Nacer will want to stay...now we have the Belgium assistant coach on board ??
Just have to get Lukaku and Hazard in (with Graemes'contact) and we will have a half decent team. ;) ;)
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;D Maybe Nacer will want to stay...now we have the Belgium assistant coach on board ??
Just have to get Lukaku and Hazard in (with Graemes'contact) and we will have a half decent team. ;) ;)
Ha ha. Get Hazard in and the league is won by Christmas. ;D
As part of the deal I'll make him best quality faggots and peas whenever he wants it. ;D
Any chance of De Bruyne as well?
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“I don’t like to say too much about this but I’m changing the culture around here and the first thing we have to do is recruit people with respect and humility for everyone, absolutely everyone, who we come into contact with. Everyone who steps into this place must show these characteristics.
This is an interest quote from Moore on the club's website and probably refers to the dressing room attitude at times last season.
No chance of the "fat one" returning then..... ;D
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This is a major coup for Darren that he was able to recruit someone as experienced as Graeme Jones as his assistant. Particularly given Jones' long standing relationship with Roberto Martinez and his recent success with Belgium.
While long term friends it says much about Darren that a Coach as highly regarded was persuaded to come to the Hawthorns as his assistant given that he is virtually guaranteed employment for the next 4 years and you could argue has a longer and more impressive CV than Darren has.
Plainly this was Darren's number one choice and in every regard is an ideal appointment.
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A bloke I know has ties with Everton behind the scenes and told me that towards the end of Martinez' time there the players called a meeting with him and Jones but he didn't attend so Jones went on his own and the players were asking why they don't do any training on defending set pieces, to which Jones replied "don't worry about set pieces just worry about passing the ball"
(don't shoot the messenger)
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Jones had got a great position coaching one of the best teams in the world so it's great he's given that up to join us and team up with DM. this could be the best signing we do this summer.
Great appointment Jenkins. I thought I'd mention his name.
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A bloke I know has ties with Everton behind the scenes and told me that towards the end of Martinez' time there the players called a meeting with him and Jones but he didn't attend so Jones went on his own and the players were asking why they don't do any training on defending set pieces, to which Jones replied "don't worry about set pieces just worry about passing the ball"
(don't shoot the messenger)
I'm sure I read somewhere that Jones is being brought in to compliment Moore's defensive coaching with his more attacking approach.
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I'm sure I read somewhere that Jones is being brought in to compliment Moore's defensive coaching with his more attacking approach.
You're right, DM said it:
“His philosophies within the game, how it should be played . . . he is an attack-minded coach who knows what I want from forward play and I believe he can deliver it with precision.
"I’ve been out watching him in training with Roberto and we have always had this exchange of views. His outlook on the game from both a defensive and attacking point of view is something that works for me.
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Better late than never, but he will definitely be on with Jim White today on Talksport.
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Better late than never, but he will definitely be on with Jim White today on Talksport.
Any idea when?
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Any idea when?
No idea, but I sincerely hope WBAinDevon isn't still holding his breath from the last time GJ was supposed to be on Talksport ;D .
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Any idea when?
In the next hour
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Do you know what,forget talk carp graham,get on with training our players get them ready for Saturday
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Do you know what,forget talk carp graham,get on with training our players get them ready for Saturday
Maybe they’ve already trained or are on a day off.
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Didn't say much, just that hes excited to get back in to day to day coaching after spending a lot of time scouting around Europe for Belgium (will we benefit from that?) and that our business isn't done yet as we've still got a bit to do.
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Didn't say much, just that hes excited to get back in to day to day coaching after spending a lot of time scouting around Europe for Belgium (will we benefit from that?) and that our business isn't done yet as we've still got a bit to do.
"Belgian fringe players around europe" just hit top of google searches emanating from black country
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Didn't say much, just that hes excited to get back in to day to day coaching after spending a lot of time scouting around Europe for Belgium (will we benefit from that?) and that our business isn't done yet as we've still got a bit to do.
I feel we will as he would have noticed the quality of other nationalities playing with or against his targets, that’s what scouts do
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'He's worth giving everything I've got'
An interview with our new Assistant Head Coach
Source: https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/hes-worth-giving-everything-ive-got/
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Underlines what we've already seen from Darren to date, really looking forward to him shaping our future - "The Redeemer"
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Underlines what we've already seen from Darren to date, really looking forward to him shaping our future - "The Redeemer"
The Redeemer; I like that and very apt. Can’t tell you how much I’m looking forward to the season this year. We’re getting our club back.
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The Redeemer; I like that and very apt. Can’t tell you how much I’m looking forward to the season this year. We’re getting our club back.
Me too I just cannot wait for Saturday. For once PLEASE Albion don't naughty word things up.
Can't remember the last time I looked forward to a season like this.
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"Hopefully we can introduce a different brand of football, obviously still paying attention to defending well but playing expansive football" Oh for the Ossie Ardiles days! ;D
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"Hopefully we can introduce a different brand of football, obviously still paying attention to defending well but playing expansive football"
I'm very pleased to see Graeme say this, as Darren had been vague about it previously, saying that we would play expansive/attacking football "when needed". I now feel more confident that we won't be Pulis-like in our approach and I'll be delighted if that's the case.
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Been a steadying addition for Dave,this attacking policy is no coincidence is it?
Just thinking have we appointed a club doctor yet?
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Been a steadying addition for Dave,this attacking policy is no coincidence is it?
Just thinking have we appointed a club doctor yet?
according to the club directory, it’s someone called Julian Widdowson. From a quick google, he’s attached to a bunch of hospitals and has worked with many other sports and athletes over several decades up to Olympic level.
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Thanks wb,for that info'.
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Could he be our own Peter Taylor, the perfect foil for Darren Moore's Brian Clough>
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https://www.wba.co.uk/news/2018/august/jones-on-albions-culture-change/
Hallelujah and amen graeme
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loved this:
“Culturally, I know what's gone on here for the last four or five years. In order to move forward we can't play that way any more. We're West Bromwich Albion, one of the best, if not the biggest side in the Championship.
“We need to move forward, we need a different style, different shape, in order to win football matches, because you only get promoted winning football matches.
“I ask them to be patient, because it's a new culture that's arriving at the club, and try to support that.
“Did Wolves get 100 points last year? 99. You have to score goals and win football matches. Draws are sometimes good results in the Premier League, in the Championship they're not.â€
Perfect attitude and with Big Dave that will certainly rub off on the lads.
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what a blessing and a breath of fresh air. god i hope he helps turn Mr Negative over on Friday
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Bloody hell someone at the Albion actually talking the club up? Well it's been a long time coming, Paul Thompson I think was the last one.
A refreshing and hugely overdue attitude and that sort of attitude gets into peoples subconscious.
We'll be building a decent stand to replace the Halfords next .................. :)
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Love his attitude and his connection with Big Dave we may actually have stumbled on the right management team and one that will play how we the fans want them to play, for the first time in a long time i am looking forward to the season and hopefully many more.
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If a person believes in what he is saying & his actions back them up it WILL rub off on people around him, backed up by bringing in players fitting the philosophy i only see a bright future him & the club.
Thanks Darren it took a long time to get Graeme in but it was worth it.
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Thanks Darren it took a long time to get Graeme in but it was worth it.
To be fair to DM, it appears he had sorted the deal some time ago. Moore had urged GJ to take a holiday before the formalities were sorted out.
Having seen the way this guy conducts himself and communicates his views, it may calm the those who talk about Darren Moore being out of his depth and inarticulate.
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To be fair to DM, it appears he had sorted the deal some time ago. Moore had urged GJ to take a holiday before the formalities were sorted out.
Having seen the way this guy conducts himself and communicates his views, it may calm the pant wetters who talk about Darren Moore being out of his depth and inarticulate.
I really wouldn't bank on it ;) .
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You form your views based on evidence to hand. Some unease about Moore getting the job was reasonable - if Moore and Jones had been unveiled as a double act at the start there would have been more positivity as it would have hinted at the change of playing style that most wanted.
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The players seem to be buying into what Smith and Moore are trying to do.
We shouldn't expect too much too soon
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The players seem to be buying into what Smith and Moore are trying to do.
We shouldn't expect too much too soon
Smith? Is he the secret power behind the throne? :o
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I thought Darren Moore waa only going to serve up tripe?
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Am I missing something here? Who is Smith? ;D
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Am I missing something here? Who is Smith? ;D
Darren Moore's alias as in Alias Smith & Jones.
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Am I missing something here? Who is Smith? ;D
Denis
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-luton-next-manager-15653957
This got any legs :-\
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https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-luton-next-manager-15653957
This got any legs :-\
I doubt it, considering his pedigree why would he jump ship to a league one outfit from a contender for the prem?
Paper talk because there is still little to no Baggies transfer activity to go at probably
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I doubt it, considering his pedigree why would he jump ship to a league one outfit from a contender for the prem?
Paper talk because there is still little to no Baggies transfer activity to go at probably
I suppose the prospect of being the main man as manager as oppose to assistant here. Luton are 2nd in League One also.
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I think he'd be a terrific choice for Luton, would suit them down to the ground. I certainly think Luton would be daft not to have him top of their list.
Would he go though? Well being a number one would be an attractive proposition but every man and his dog seem to be loving life at the Albion and he and Big Dave have an extremely strong bond. You never know in football but I'd be surprised if he left.
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Think they are very wise to consider him, and being his own boss must surely appeal.
I would have thought though that, if he was that determined to be head coach, his stock was higher after the World Cup so he would have done it then. Hope he sees us as a work in progress and decides the timing is not right.
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Jones definitely has a desire to be a manager and stated upon arrival that “Darren’s the only person I’d be an assistant to now†in the following interview:
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2018/08/22/graeme-jones-from-brazil-to-bolton-to-join-up-with-darren-moore-at-west-brom/
It's the sort of body blow you wouldn't really want to experience at any time but I would back Moore to overcome the issue if he did leave. I think he would be able to get a manager's job in the Championship however so wouldn't be surprised to see him stay if the link is true.
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Alan Nixon has commented on Twitter that Jones won't leave us for a league one job
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Forest job could be coming up shortly.
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Forest job could be coming up shortly.
Yes that's what I thought mate. I bet he would take that.
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Alan Nixon has commented on Twitter that Jones won't leave us for a league one job
The same Alan Nixon that said Giles Barnes was joining?!
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I’d be amazed if he left us for a league 1 job, especially with his close relationship with Moore and the effort Moore went to get him in.
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I'd have been more worried if Stoke had made an approach. Surely he has a better CV than Nathan Jones (who has been gone too long!)
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Luton have now asked Albion permission to speak to Jones, Sky Sports Is reporting
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Ultimately if Jones wants to step up to a Head Coach role he probably hasn't too long to do so. He has had 11 years of Assistant roles he is 48 there will come a point where there will be a generation of younger coaches with Head Coach experience like for instance Nathan Jones.
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That would be the sort of disruption we could really do without. Losing both Barnes and Jones at the same time would leave huge holes for us in key areas, half way through the season.
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That would be the sort of disruption we could really do without. Losing both Barnes and Jones at the same time would leave huge holes for us in key areas, half way through the season.
Indeed, News of this sort would give Norwich (for example) a distinct psychological advantage wouldn't it?...........................................................just saying.
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That would be the sort of disruption we could really do without. Losing both Barnes and Jones at the same time would leave huge holes for us in key areas, half way through the season.
Not ideal but I think Moore is resilient and resourceful enough to cope. Him and Jones have a very close relationship so, I would imagine, if Jones is really intent on leaving, Moore will be the first to know, thus giving him time to put the feelers out for a replacement.
In the short term I would think that Shan would step up.
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If we did lose Jones then Kevin Phillips ?
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If we did lose Jones then Kevin Phillips ?
In a word no.
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Very good player but on what basis would you give him the head coach job?
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From Sky Transfer News Updates Ticker:
"JONES DECLINES LUTON INTEREST
West Brom assistant coach Graeme Jones has politely declined Luton's interest in making him their new manager, Sky Sports News understands.
The Hatters approached the Baggies for permission to speak to Jones on Thursday but have now moved on in their search for Nathan Jones’ successor.
Sky Sports News understands Luton’s U18’s boss Inigo Idiakez is among the names being considered for the first-team job."
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From Sky Transfer News Updates Ticker:
"JONES DECLINES LUTON INTEREST
West Brom assistant coach Graeme Jones has politely declined Luton's interest in making him their new manager, Sky Sports News understands.
The Hatters approached the Baggies for permission to speak to Jones on Thursday but have now moved on in their search for Nathan Jones’ successor.
Sky Sports News understands Luton’s U18’s boss Inigo Idiakez is among the names being considered for the first-team job."
Good news.
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From Sky Transfer News Updates Ticker:
"JONES DECLINES LUTON INTEREST
West Brom assistant coach Graeme Jones has politely declined Luton's interest in making him their new manager, Sky Sports News understands.
The Hatters approached the Baggies for permission to speak to Jones on Thursday but have now moved on in their search for Nathan Jones’ successor.
Sky Sports News understands Luton’s U18’s boss Inigo Idiakez is among the names being considered for the first-team job."
Good news - good man
I would like to think that Graeme is rather enjoying his challenge with us and can see good things ahead. He is young enough to be a manager in his own right in the future. With no disrespect to Luton, I think that bigger clubs will come calling.
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From Sky Transfer News Updates Ticker:
"JONES DECLINES LUTON INTEREST
West Brom assistant coach Graeme Jones has politely declined Luton's interest in making him their new manager, Sky Sports News understands.
The Hatters approached the Baggies for permission to speak to Jones on Thursday but have now moved on in their search for Nathan Jones’ successor.
Sky Sports News understands Luton’s U18’s boss Inigo Idiakez is among the names being considered for the first-team job."
Thank god for that. Don't think he would want to leave DM in a position without his right hand guy at this key point in the season. That being said if a Championship job came up I would be a little more worried
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Great news and, coupled with the rumour that Barnes also wanted to stay, suggests we have a good set up at the minute.
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Alan Nixon just said Luton have come back and hes had talks this time but no indication yet whether he will go or not.
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Just twitter talk at the moment which must be taken with a pinch of salt, but rumours currently persisting on Twitter that Luton have come back in for him with his odds also dropping considerably with the bookies.
Obviously needs to be confirmed by a more reliable source/outlet, though the furore about it the last couple of hours was started initially by Alan Nixon
https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1086310847146876928 (https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1086310847146876928)
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Just twitter talk at the moment which must be taken with a pinch of salt, but rumours currently persisting on Twitter that Luton have come back in for him with his odds also dropping considerably with the bookies.
Obviously needs to be confirmed by a more reliable source/outlet, though the furore about it the last couple of hours was started initially by Alan Nixon
https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1086310847146876928 (https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/status/1086310847146876928)
Also saying we're about to sign Barnes (Giles not Harvey)
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It’s one of those “no smoke without fire†things. It was publicly said he had turned it down, so if the odds have come back in and newspapers are reporting that it might be back on, you have to think there might be something in the story.
Really need some stability at the club. Going well in the league, and while I don,t know how key Jones is, I,d rather an inexperienced manager like Moore did have the experience of Jones next to him, as they clearly work well together.
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If there is anything in this, I do feel sorry for Darren looks like a perfect storm is brewing, Hope it dissapates quickly
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"Alan Nixon
†@reluctantnicko
51m51 minutes ago
So. Graham Jones HAS spoken to Luton now. But won’t take it. And Giles Barnes hopes for a deal and isn’t just getting fit. Cheers."
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Cant blame him for hearing what they have to say/offer.
Personally I cant see Jones leaving for a first team job unless it was championship level or above.
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I will take brickbats for this, but here goes anyway,
I am struggling to see where this guy has influenced our performances.
His preferred 3-5-2 had to be canned as it wasn't working,
Our kids / squad players are not progressing,
Some of the glaring issues are not being addressed (Gayle out wide, midfield structure). I would accept that recruitment have a role to play in bringing talent in, but one of this guys jobs is developing the talent we already have, I see nothing to show that this is being achieved.
thoughts??
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Graeme Jones set to stay at West Brom after turning down Luton’s second offer
Source: https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/01/22/jones-turns-down-lutons-second-offer/
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I will take brickbats for this, but here goes anyway,
I am struggling to see where this guy has influenced our performances.
His preferred 3-5-2 had to be canned as it wasn't working,
Our kids / squad players are not progressing,
Some of the glaring issues are not being addressed (Gayle out wide, midfield structure). I would accept that recruitment have a role to play in bringing talent in, but one of this guys jobs is developing the talent we already have, I see nothing to show that this is being achieved.
thoughts??
From what I see jones advises Darren Moore on every tactical decision made, and directs players directly, so I would say his influence is high, especially took all tactical walkthrough sessions in Dubai
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I will take brickbats for this, but here goes anyway,
I am struggling to see where this guy has influenced our performances.
His preferred 3-5-2 had to be canned as it wasn't working,
For me, that showed a degree of pragmatism, a positive characteristic IMO
Our kids / squad players are not progressing,
I believe most of our older squad players were introduced to provide low cost experienced support.
I would argue that our younger squad players are progressing, but are not yet ready for a regular place,
I would also argue that it's the job of the DoF to oversee the development of existing talent. The job of the Head Coach & his team is to prepare the squad for match days
Some of the glaring issues are not being addressed (Gayle out wide, midfield structure). I would accept that recruitment have a role to play in bringing talent in, but one of this guys jobs is developing the talent we already have, I see nothing to show that this is being achieved.
I generally take the view that our first team coaches are paid vast amounts of money
to make the tactical decisions they do. I might not necessarily agree with them, but it's probably because I don't understand the logic. So I don't agree that the issues are necessarily glaring.
Harvey Barnes couldn't praise our coaching staff enough, don't forget he came to us as a left sided wide player, we developed him into a No 10,
As things stand we're third in the league with top two playing each other in the next couple of weeks. We're also playing top teams in February giving us a chance to progress into the top two.
If I were paying the Coaches wages, think I'd be pretty happy at the moment
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I will take brickbats for this, but here goes anyway,
I am struggling to see where this guy has influenced our performances.
His preferred 3-5-2 had to be canned as it wasn't working,
Our kids / squad players are not progressing,
Some of the glaring issues are not being addressed (Gayle out wide, midfield structure). I would accept that recruitment have a role to play in bringing talent in, but one of this guys jobs is developing the talent we already have, I see nothing to show that this is being achieved.
thoughts??
I don't think we would be top scorers and have seen the attacking flair this season if it was only DM in charge. I know most managers would profit from having creative, flair players like Gayle, Phillips and Barnes at their disposal (although I can think of one recent manager who wouldn't :( ), but I'm sure Jones has had a key role in turning us into an attacking entertaining team. I think the Jones/DM partnership is working well.
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What impact hasJones had on this team? As I fail to see any. Just like Henry at Monaco is this bloke beginning to be found out, seems to me that like the French man he ain't up too much with out Martines guiding hand.
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I've come to the conclusion that we would be better off without Jones. How would Darren fare without him? We may never know.
My thinking behind this is the following things haven't worked this season:
1. 3 at the back
2. Passing out from the back
3. Rodriguez in a withdrawn striker role (a problem in itself but also forces Gayle out wide)
4. Gayle out wide
I can point the finger at Jones for this as they were all tactics used with Belgium (and he apparently takes care of the offensive side of things).
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Isn't he allegedly in charge of tactics when we have the ball? Ergo pretty responsible for much of what went on on the pitch last night?
Where's the shitstorm calling for his head? If for some reason Darren Moore is forced out he's probably the one who will step into the breach while we look for a replacement
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Isn't he allegedly in charge of tactics when we have the ball? Ergo pretty responsible for much of what went on on the pitch last night?
Where's the shitstorm calling for his head? If for some reason Darren Moore is forced out he's probably the one who will step into the breach while we look for a replacement
Not a chance ,he would walk with DM. He should not be offered the chance anyway.He is part of the problem.
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If one goes the other should be sent packing as well not up to the task, these two just don't seem to be able to read a game all season we have had no link up play from defense to midfield to attack. Game management is none existent and only for two standout loan players we'd be in the pooh
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Apparently argued and fell out with Luke Downing over January transfers. We signed more players than any other promotion contender.
Jones sounded like an arrogant so and so culminating with him going to Luton. Why didn’t we fire him a month ago and got a new assistant?
Sounds like there were problems with the coaching staff.
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Not nice to see a coach sacked but if Jones was a tosser then good to see him gone.
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Looking back at previous posts, it seems that a lot of us weren't too sure of his appointment.
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Sounds like...
Apparently....
No actual fact, yet it suits your view doesn’t it
It’s done. You can now start your vendetta on the next target.
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If there is anything in this, I do feel sorry for Darren looks like a perfect storm is brewing, Hope it dissapates quickly
Head for the shelter... the storm has arrived!!
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Sounds like...
Apparently....
No actual fact, yet it suits your view doesn’t it
It’s done. You can now start your vendetta on the next target.
No vendetta, I’m yet to see a poster EVER have anything good to say about Jones. He comes across as a big head just because he was assistant to a very talented Belgium, WC semi Finalists. Did he do much on the training pitch? Was probably a distinct 2nd to Martinez. We all know the meddling and interference was huge at B71.
Just feel DM should have stood up for himself. He could’ve stated to Jenkins that Jones had too much power and influence.
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No vendetta, I’m yet to see a poster EVER have anything good to say about Jones. He comes across as a big head just because he was assistant to a very talented Belgium, WC semi Finalists. Did he do much on the training pitch? Was probably a distinct 2nd to Martinez. We all know the meddling and interference was huge at B71.
Just feel DM should have stood up for himself. He could’ve stated to Jenkins that Jones had too much power and influence.
I was surprised that either Moore or Jones came out and stated that one trains player's with ball and one without.
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Looking at the earlier pages in this thread there was a lot of posivity about the appointment. It’s a funny old world.
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No vendetta, I’m yet to see a poster EVER have anything good to say about Jones. He comes across as a big head just because he was assistant to a very talented Belgium, WC semi Finalists. Did he do much on the training pitch? Was probably a distinct 2nd to Martinez. We all know the meddling and interference was huge at B71.
Just feel DM should have stood up for himself. He could’ve stated to Jenkins that Jones had too much power and influence.
I've never met him, I don't know him
I do know that the appointwas at the request of Moore so that was down to him to make it work
The Luton thing was a distraction and the feeling is that the two were not joined up on tactics
We move on
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According to John Percy there was friction behind the scenes with Jones and Dowling but Jones had already agreed to take over at Luton in June
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I think we should have let him go when Luton came in for him and get some compo for him instead of now having to pay him off.
It was reported that he was in charge of training when were in possession and it was obvious that wasn't working and was actually costing us results with stupid mistakes.
I had high hopes that he would have a extensive knowledge and database of European players having been assistant to rm at Belgium.
I'm sure we'll get his version of what happened on the Jim White talksport show soon as he is on there quite often, probably arranged by his agent to increase his profile which has now got him the rumoured Luton job.
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No vendetta, I’m yet to see a poster EVER have anything good to say about Jones. He comes across as a big head just because he was assistant to a very talented Belgium, WC semi Finalists. Did he do much on the training pitch? Was probably a distinct 2nd to Martinez. We all know the meddling and interference was huge at B71.
Just feel DM should have stood up for himself. He could’ve stated to Jenkins that Jones had too much power and influence.
the only reason he could had too much power and inffluence is if Moore allowed him to, some fans blaming Jones over Moore is ridiculous, Moore should have been stronger as a number one and not allowed his assistant to run the show.
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the only reason he could had too much power and inffluence is if Moore allowed him to, some fans blaming Jones over Moore is ridiculous, Moore should have been stronger as a number one and not allowed his assistant to run the show.
I totally agree. If you think about any industry other than football you would not be blaming an assistant for the business failing but would pin it on the man st the top.
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I don't believe that Jones' influence was undue. It is not untypical for an assistant to focus on one or more area's of the coaching and as has been pointed out Moore after all was the man in charge.
However there was always 2 problems. Firstly Jones' CV was much deeper than Moore's which could be construed rightly or wrongly that Jones was the power behind the throne. This is an inherent problem of appointing a rookie Head Coach either you surround him with equally inexperienced coaches (at first team level) or you appoint a surrogate Head Coach whose presence undermines the actual Head Coach.
The second aspect of this which is hugely unfortunate is because Jones has the deeper CV he will find it a lot easier to get back into the game and assistants don't quite share the same burden of blame if things go wrong so this sacking is less damaging for him than it is for Darren.
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No vendetta, I’m yet to see a poster EVER have anything good to say about Jones. He comes across as a big head just because he was assistant to a very talented Belgium, WC semi Finalists. Did he do much on the training pitch? Was probably a distinct 2nd to Martinez. We all know the meddling and interference was huge at B71.
Just feel DM should have stood up for himself. He could’ve stated to Jenkins that Jones had too much power and influence.
Darren is too nice. This is/was Darren's Achilles heel.
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It appears Jones had allready agreed to take the Luton job before his recent departure from the Baggies
Now the disinformation fog starts to lift
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/west-bromwich-albion/2019/03/11/luton-town-lined-up-graeme-jones-before-west-brom-axe/
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Would probably explain some of the players looking a little disinterested. It’s widely known Jones did a lot of the training work, guessing some of the players have switched off from him after knowing he was leaving at the end of the season anyway.
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Never understood the Jones love in. He was Martinez no.2 and Martinez did the exact same things over and over at Wigan and Everton. Play out from back, attacking football with no focus on defensive structure...sound familiar?
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Just too much flux!
players who have passed the point when they should have left,
players on loan,
Coaches who are already planning to leave,
A fledgling head coach,
A board with one aspiration which is a very hard one to achieve.
The club needs to BUILD a squad who can learn to play in a number of ways, ie adapt to the circumstances in front of them.
The present cycle of chopping and changing and going for the immediate fix will not work and it is a bad environment for younger players to develop in.
The cocktail is poisonous and needs throwing out.
I don't care if the next coach is experienced or has a history of promotion, the job at B71 is far bigger than promotion, the whole club needs educating about delivering progress, from Mr Lai to the academy. Willl it happen? Of course not, the financial pressure will be too great.
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On a flight home from Malaga and guess who just got the plane. Will try and have a word during the flight
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On a flight home from Malaga and guess who just got the plane. Will try and have a word during the flight
That could be interesting
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I’m sorry I haven’t posted further on the brief encounter with Graeme Jones.
We were on the same Ryanair flight from Malaga to Birmingham on Friday, 22nd March. I was sitting on the front row of seats and, to be perfectly honest, I was so surprised and taken aback by seeing him boarding, I rather made a fool of myself, by saying "hello Graeme sorry it didn’t work out for you, can I take a photo?" I then fumbled with my iPone to the camera app and, for some reason, it wouldn’t open, he was very understanding, amicable and accommodating, but as I was holding up boarding and the cabin crew were looking daggers at me he said, "we’ll catch up when we land".
He did come past me to go to the toilet, he said hello and smiled. By the time we had landed, I had bethought myself and considered it wasn’t appropriate to “buttonhole†whilst he was on “holiday†with his wife. So, I didn’t approach him after that.
A bit of a let down I know but I didn’t want to compromise him nor did I want to intrude on his privacy.
So, sorry for any let down.
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Is it confirmed that he is taking over Luton?
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Will be appointed Luton manager on Monday according to Sky
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Will be appointed Luton manager on Monday according to Sky
We'll get to welcome him back here next season then. At least we will know that we need to press high against Luton when we play them as the goalkeeper and defenders pass it along the goal line.
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Why do Luton need a new manager after the achievements of this season?
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Why do Luton need a new manager after the achievements of this season?
It’s called planning ahead. Without or without promotion, it looks like they’d arranged for Jones to be in place for next season. Risky? For sure...but they’ve stuck to their guns. It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.
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Darren should of put him in his place or got rid when his head couldn't fit through door, might have still been head coach.
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I always thought he came to us with the intention of taking our manager's job if DM got the boot.
The cynical amongst us could argue that he persisted in his passing out the back philospy knowing that it would get DM the sack and in turn him the job.
The fact that he jumped at the chance to go to Luton proves he was desperate to be a manager.
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Wonder who his assistant will be? It sounds like they have always wanted to work together so maybe Moore will go in as his assistant. Watching their careers will be interesting.
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Confirmed now
https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2019/may/graeme-jones/
The article confirms this was agreed in Feb while he was at WBA with our boards permission. Must have been offered a tenner to begin talks.
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Confirmed now
https://www.lutontown.co.uk/news/2019/may/graeme-jones/
The article confirms this was agreed in Feb while he was at WBA with our boards permission. Must have been offered a tenner to begin talks.
Interesting - this sort of casts a doubt over the theory that Darren walked because the club wanted rid of Jones. Clearly Jones was already sorted when Darren was given the good news........
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Interesing - this sort of casts a doubt over the theory that Darren walked because the club wanted rid of Jones. Clearly Jones was already sorted when Darren was given the good news........
How very true... We will never find out what actually happened.
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Won't last very long and will get the sacked.
In hindsight, he was the worst signing of the summer.
Had Moore opted for someone like a Shakespeare then he'd still be here now.
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It’s called planning ahead. Without or without promotion, it looks like they’d arranged for Jones to be in place for next season. Risky? For sure...but they’ve stuck to their guns. It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out.
and the incumbent caretaker manager (Mike Harford) has said he doesn't want the job !
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It was always very obvious that Jones wanted a Head Coach role. Whether it was wise for Darren to bring him in as an assistant given his ambitions is debatable. However whatever the dynamics things plainly headed south during January and February and that coincided with Luton's initial approach.
No one will ever be quite sure about what happened behind the scenes but I suspect Jones' role was more important in the overall scheme of things than maybe he should have had. It will be interesting to see how he does at Luton.
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https://www.coachesvoice.com/graeme-jones-luton-town-roberto-martinez/?fbclid=IwAR0o4-AJnZbbhu7qXoRNoCaGCoXRA-DZ_TuYiyJClSNMSAs39hjdu0qbuuU
Confident in his ability
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https://www.coachesvoice.com/graeme-jones-luton-town-roberto-martinez/?fbclid=IwAR0o4-AJnZbbhu7qXoRNoCaGCoXRA-DZ_TuYiyJClSNMSAs39hjdu0qbuuU
Confident in his ability
Talk the talk but can't walk the walk
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Talk the talk but can't walk the walk
As a Head Coach / Manager and his own man, that has still to be determined.
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If we had any other boss in charge, I'd have thought Luton would have rocked up and turned us over. But I'm feeling confident with Super Slav in charge. Can't wait. I really hope we give Jones and co a drubbing.
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Didn’t work out for Jones at Albion, but I hope it works out for him as I would rather see a coach with a philosophy for playing football than a Pulis type of approach to football.
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Now he is the coach at Luton is the time to judge what sort of coach is GJ; whether it was he or Darren Moore who was behind the long run of poor performances or whether, being the relative outsider, he was blamed falsely for that spell. Was he the evil Svengali that some have painted him?
Starters Luton 3 - 3 Middlesbrough
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49122731
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Lads, Graeme Jones is no longer an Albion employee as such this thread has been moved to the General Sports forum so the main board remains Albion related.
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Interesting - this sort of casts a doubt over the theory that Darren walked because the club wanted rid of Jones. Clearly Jones was already sorted when Darren was given the good news........
Jones should have been booted out as soon as he went for the interview.
BTW Skyclad, I you a kiss fan as your avatar suggests?
I ask because we went to see them a few back in brum and although not big fans we really enjoyed their final show.
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Jones should have been booted out as soon as he went for the interview.
BTW Skyclad, I you a kiss fan as your avatar suggests?
I ask because we went to see them a few back in brum and although not big fans we really enjoyed their final show.
I am indeed Balis, a big Kiss fan. First saw them in 1976 at the Birmingham Odeon - a date they referred to at the gig
That show a couple of weeks ago was awesome.
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I am indeed Balis, a big Kiss fan. First saw them in 1976 at the Birmingham Odeon - a date they referred to at the gig
That show a couple of weeks ago was awesome.
I been to a lot of concerts, but that show was tremendous.
The pyrotechnics and the lead singer going over us on the zip wire were great and we could feel the heat from the stage when ever the flames came out.
My wife and I usually sit down, but we were glad we didn't for that one as we'd missed the missed the full effect of the aforementioned.
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Graeme Jones's Luton, losing 5-0 at half time versus Brentford !
suspect he will be out of work soon !
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Graeme Jones's Luton, losing 5-0 at half time versus Brentford !
suspect he will be out of work soon !
Currently in the bottom three and the wheels falling off. You could well be right
It will be a long time to his next gig if he does get the sack me thinks ;)
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You can see Nathan back there soon......
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You can see Nathan back there soon......
Well, he has been gone too long :D
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Well, he has been gone too long :D
Very good AF
I imagine his phone was ringing when the 7th went in......
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He's just got the boot at Luton the disloyal so and so.
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He's just got the boot at Luton the disloyal so and so.
Saw that, how weird is the timing?
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Saw that, how weird is the timing?
It's an interesting one. There are 4 or 5 gone from their coaching structure today. Sounds like Mick Harford will be holding the fort.
It's only a guess but wonder if there was a break clause after the first year of Jones' contract meaning minimal pay-off. They won't be anticipating playing any more this season so they save over the summer. There may be a few other clubs weighing up similar 're-structuring' given the financial climate.