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Title: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: OldburyWBA on July 12, 2016, 04:42:03 PM
Torquay United v West Bromwich Albion

Friendly at Plainmoor

Monday 1st August 2016 19.30pm

Please use this board for all your discussion on this game

Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on July 28, 2016, 11:37:16 PM
See you at this one boys :D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
Weather awful down here, cats & dogs
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Brummie Road on August 01, 2016, 02:19:53 PM
Yep the weather is a bit desperate. We're only down for the match and heading back in the morning (thankfully). There do seem to be a fair few Albion fans down here, and plenty of the new shirts on show in the Wetherspoons by the harbour. Tipping it down outside though.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: tommcneill on August 01, 2016, 04:13:23 PM
Yeah I'm recovering from the weekend still and cant leave early so no chance of me getting there tonight
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2016, 05:21:00 PM
still cats & dogs here, wouldnt suprise me if they called it off
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: wolverhampton baggie on August 01, 2016, 05:44:20 PM
Just called TUFC...said game is not in danger
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Baggie-Mania on August 01, 2016, 05:52:39 PM
Have fun guys  :)
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 06:49:04 PM
Team v @TUFC1899: Foster; Chester, McAuley, Evans, Wilson; Gardner, Field, Morrison; Leko, Rondon, McClean
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 06:49:30 PM
Albion subs v @TUFC1899: Myhill; Olsson, Yacob, Phillips, Fletcher, Dawson, Berahino
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: lewisant on August 01, 2016, 06:58:39 PM
Are we hopeful of a stream??
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: costa blanca baggie on August 01, 2016, 07:07:26 PM
Are we hopeful of a stream??
Looking at my weather app, I reckon Torrent would be apt. :D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: barnestormer on August 01, 2016, 07:08:24 PM
Are we hopeful of a stream??
Vipbox has a solitary link up but im not hopeful as it usually requires signing up to the betting site,need at least two links.time yet
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: geoff on August 01, 2016, 07:09:30 PM
Are we hopeful of a stream??

http://wiziwig.to/soccer
only one i can find is this one, fingers x it works
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 07:28:44 PM
Jonny Evans wears the captain's armband tonight with Darren Fletcher starting the game among the substitutes
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: SmethDan on August 01, 2016, 07:37:50 PM
Updates via Twitter if anyone's interested.

https://twitter.com/WBA (https://twitter.com/WBA)
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: geoff on August 01, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
is the a radio station broadcasting the game by any chance
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:02:39 PM
Try this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFraIVrR2Jg
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:07:22 PM
Still no shots on target (of any mean force).  :(
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:16:50 PM
HT...0-0
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Lloydy on August 01, 2016, 08:19:29 PM
Another uninspiring half of football... but don't worry, the style will be better this season.

*sticks head in sand*
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:21:42 PM
The Torquay fans are applauding the Albion followers...Says it all.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: P Anderson on August 01, 2016, 08:22:29 PM
Simply awful, almost as bad as the weather ;D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:24:21 PM
We should have been 2-0 down.
Reid has missed 2 sitters.
Edit...Both times unchallenged.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2016, 08:29:19 PM
so glad i couldnt make it
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:29:35 PM
ALBION SUBS: Fletcher (c), Olsson, Dawson, Berahino replace McAuley, Evans, Leko, Rondon
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:35:48 PM
1 (Hall 52) Albion 0    :(
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:37:24 PM
Torquay can't even manage to get into League 2, They are in the Nation league....What does that say about us?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:41:59 PM
It seems that Fletcher and Olsson got their crutches tangled up when they came on the pitch.  :o
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:42:31 PM
2 (Williams 59) Albion 0   >:(
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2016, 08:43:17 PM
sick of seeing 0 after Albion.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 08:44:26 PM
Haha, meltdown on the way.

ps it's just a friendly.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 08:47:07 PM
I hope the internet breaks.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 01, 2016, 08:47:21 PM
Haha, meltdown on the way.

ps it's just a friendly.

Sure, and we shouldn't jump off the pier, but it's got to have a psychological effect on the players, getting stuffed by a non-league outfit. These games should build momentum for the season openers.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 01, 2016, 08:49:06 PM
yes its only a friendly but it's one of, if not the, last friendly we are playing before the season starts and that is most of our first team.
We are awful, we really really are
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 01, 2016, 08:49:12 PM
Palma Nova here i come laugh out loud :(
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 08:51:21 PM
yes its only a friendly but it's one of, if not the, last friendly we are playing before the season starts and that is most of our first team.
We are awful, we really really are

The result is meaningless...
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Scruffy Stan on August 01, 2016, 08:51:54 PM
I hope Sakho's not watching.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: mini gaardsoe on August 01, 2016, 08:52:59 PM
The result is meaningless...

The fact we can't create or take chances isn't though, and it appears we are doing nothing about that!
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 08:53:13 PM
Matty Phillips coming on.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Lloydy on August 01, 2016, 08:54:10 PM
The result is meaningless...

And the performance?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 08:54:53 PM
Pulls' fault anyway. Playing for the draw...
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: smethwickw on August 01, 2016, 08:55:02 PM
The result is meaningless...

What about the performance. Is that meaningless. Were the last 10 league games meaningless?  We really are a poor outfit and getting worse.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Baggie79 on August 01, 2016, 08:56:01 PM
I think we are trying to lure the whole of the premiership into a false sense of security with our pre season performances. We are doing a great job of it to be fair.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Dudleylad on August 01, 2016, 08:57:16 PM
Im sure we had a pretty poor pre-season when Clarke finished 8th, or is memory not serving me correctly?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 08:58:27 PM
What about the performance. Is that meaningless. Were the last 10 league games meaningless?  We really are a poor outfit and getting worse.

Sadly in a way yes they were, the players knew they were safe. Not really the right mindset but happens to half a dozen PL clubs every season. Come Saturday week they'll be fine.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Adamstv on August 01, 2016, 08:59:11 PM
Embarrassing tbh to be losing to a non league club , friendly or not. No wonder Sakho is unsure about coming. If it was me I'd run a mile.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 01, 2016, 09:00:16 PM
Sadly in a way yes they were, the players knew they were safe. Not really the right mindset but happens to half a dozen PL clubs every season. Come Saturday week they'll be fine.

i'm glad you have faith  ;D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: boing_boing68 on August 01, 2016, 09:02:12 PM
The result is meaningless...

so you honestly aren't bothered that most of our first team players are losing 2-0 against a conference side? surely you would have expected us to win this game, wins makes confident players
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 09:02:54 PM
Im sure we had a pretty poor pre-season when Clarke finished 8th, or is memory not serving me correctly?

Pre-Season results have zero influence on the upcoming season. That's factual from history applicable to all sides. The commotion that will follow this result will be an embarrassment and an excuse to Pulls bash.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 09:03:22 PM
so you honestly aren't bothered that most of our first team players are losing 2-0 against a conference side? surely you would have expected us to win this game, wins makes confident players

No I'm not, preseason is about fitness not results.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: bartleygreen baggie on August 01, 2016, 09:03:57 PM
Can't wait to see the rubbish that Ben and Tony come out with following the game about players working hard and being tired.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 09:05:48 PM
Matty just scored.  :D
2-1
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: gavinrussell on August 01, 2016, 09:05:58 PM
Hold the back pages ..we have scored..lol..
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 01, 2016, 09:09:00 PM
Pre-Season results have zero influence on the upcoming season. That's factual from history applicable to all sides. The commotion that will follow this result will be an embarrassment and an excuse to Pulls bash.
Surely the performance dictates whether he gets bashed or not?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2016, 09:09:38 PM
is my computer playing up, where's the 0 gone after Albion?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: SmethDan on August 01, 2016, 09:10:10 PM
Berahino goal disallowed for off side.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 09:10:20 PM
equaliser disallowed for offside, not that it matters...  :-*
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 09:10:56 PM
Surely the performance dictates whether he gets bashed or not?

Naturally because he's solely to blame and the players have zero accountability as per norm.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 01, 2016, 09:12:10 PM
meltdown time
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 09:13:27 PM
meltdown time

It's not even that bad on here, twitter is absolutely brilliant to read, calling for Pulis' resignation on the back of a preseason friendly, seriously, grown men tweeting the club.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 09:15:50 PM
FT 2-1  :(
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 01, 2016, 09:16:56 PM
It's the twitter generation, 10 years ago you got none of this and it's getting worse.
Under Hodgson we lost to a non-league MLS side and no one seemed to care. Newcastle also lost heavily to Carisle (?) the year they got over 100 points, it does genuinely mean nothing.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: crazedwbafan18 on August 01, 2016, 09:17:26 PM
It's not even that bad on here, twitter is absolutely brilliant to read, calling for Pulis' resignation on the back of a preseason friendly, seriously, grown men tweeting the club.
Haha I know, but then twitter is mostly useless ramblings anyway at the end of the day. 12 days is when it matters, not now.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: LiamTheBaggie on August 01, 2016, 09:17:39 PM
Can't wait to win 1-0 at Palace  :D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2016, 09:21:28 PM
Regardless of how important you think the "result", losing to Torquay is sh!te.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Adamstv on August 01, 2016, 09:22:34 PM
My only hope is that JP can see our deficiencies and look to spend funds to acquire better players than the squad we have. I really fear for this season and it is not just a knee jerk reaction. We are supposed to be getting fitter and stronger and here we are against a NON-LEAGUE team who made 10 (TEN) changes and we still get beat. As a STH I am not looking forward to watching the same standard of football as last season and this result does not inspire me whatsoever
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: seteefeet on August 01, 2016, 09:22:45 PM
Naturally because he's solely to blame and the players have zero accountability as per norm.
He picks the side and sets the formation and shape. This and Plymouth would have been set out as games we would win to build confidence. Anyone who says they are meaningless is naive. They are not season defining, but on the back of such a poor finish to last season, they should be of grave concern.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 09:23:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lag-QRdK-6M
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 09:25:27 PM
He picks the side and sets the formation and shape. This and Plymouth would have been set out as games we would win to build confidence. Anyone who says they are meaningless is naive. They are not season defining, but on the back of such a poor finish to last season, they should be of grave concern.

No they wouldn't they would be part of a series of games to build the players fitness.

I would suggest it's you who is naive, as Pulis won't be remotely concerned... gravely or otherwise.

If we're actually going to dissect the defeat  :-\, he (Pulis) doesn't make Dawson **** up on halfway allowing the Torquay player a clear run on goal...
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2016, 09:25:48 PM
the score line doesn't matter, but to say it means nothing isn't quite true, it obviously meant something to the few hundred who travelled to watch it.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Adamstv on August 01, 2016, 09:29:44 PM
the score line doesn't matter, but to say it means nothing isn't quite true, it obviously meant something to the few hundred who travelled to watch it.

653 travelled to see it. It meant something to them
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2016, 09:31:08 PM
653 travelled to see it. It meant something to them
good numbers for a meaningless friendly.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 09:33:47 PM
653 travelled to see it. It meant something to them

Christ, if you go to a preseason friendly and get upset about the result and performance then you're not cut out to be a football supporter. They're about fitness getting youngsters involved and if necessary integrating new players, our new player scored.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Jimmy on August 01, 2016, 09:35:54 PM
Christ, if you go to a preseason friendly and get upset about the result and performance then you're not cut out to be a football supporter. They're about fitness getting youngsters involved and if necessary integrating new players, our new player scored.

We'll all be saying the same things halfway through the season.

Lack of creativity, lack of shots, defending for 90% of games.

Only now we can see it all unfolding in front of our eyes and are powerless to stop it.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: darbolina on August 01, 2016, 09:36:39 PM
The main purposes of pre season is to build fitness and sharpness. Fitness might be getting there with each game they play but when will the fluency and sharpness come? Maybe things will fall into place when the season starts..........? The pattern of play seems to be continuing from the end of last season so far when we were awful?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: alwaysbilly on August 01, 2016, 09:38:44 PM
Christ, if you go to a preseason friendly and get upset about the result and performance then you're not cut out to be a football supporter. They're about fitness getting youngsters involved and if necessary integrating new players, our new player scored.
100% agree
You can already see this....
C Palace 0 West Brom 1
Shots on target CP 14, WBA 1
Corners CP 10, WBA 0
Shot Off Target CP 11 WBA 0
Possession CP 87% WBA 13%
 ;D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: WBArgo on August 01, 2016, 09:41:04 PM
He picks the side and sets the formation and shape. This and Plymouth would have been set out as games we would win to build confidence. Anyone who says they are meaningless is naive. They are not season defining, but on the back of such a poor finish to last season, they should be of grave concern.

But we've also won a few games this pre-season against far better opposition (Vitesse) so what does that mean?
It will be funny if we beat Mallorca as that would suddenly mean we've had a good pre-season (lost 2, drawn 1 and won 3?)
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2016, 09:44:33 PM
does the involvement of Saido tonight mean he's not anywhere near leaving just yet?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: GREGMT on August 01, 2016, 09:46:38 PM
Embarrassing.  Every time we drop our work rate and intensity the massive shortcomings are exposed.  Anytime we are favourite for a match we can't take it to the opposition, as all we know is counter attack and defending for our lives.  For crying out loud buy some creative players!!!!!!!   
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Pie on August 01, 2016, 09:47:25 PM
I understand that Pre season friendlies are about fitness and not results but in all honesty a Premiership team should beat a conference side in their sleep.

I'm not having a melt down but it is disappointing. We need new blood badly. 
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 09:47:35 PM
Embarrassing.  Every time we drop our work rate and intensity the massive shortcomings are exposed.  Anytime we are favourite for a match we can't take it to the opposition, as all we know is counter attack and defending for our lives.  For crying out loud buy some creative players!!!!!!!
And then train it out of them.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: KnaveofAlbion on August 01, 2016, 09:48:47 PM
does the involvement of Saido tonight mean he's not anywhere near leaving just yet?

I would expect not, if we were mindful of his leaving I'd be very surprised to see him play. Especially in a game such as this.

IF we sign Sakho we'll probably sell Saido once a £22m+ offer comes in (people will bid more the closer we get to the window closing. Palace, Stoke and Swansea are all extremely lacking in attack).

We can only hope Sakho is one of at least 3 first team players coming in, as if this is our team, there's no chance in hell we finish above 16th. 
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: caravanc58 on August 01, 2016, 10:00:19 PM
what's the possibility of signing Sakho and not selling Berahino. or will the former only happen if the latter leaves. jesus that looks like a cryptic question. :D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United v Albion
Post by: Scooby Doo on August 01, 2016, 10:04:00 PM
He picks the side and sets the formation and shape. This and Plymouth would have been set out as games we would win to build confidence. Anyone who says they are meaningless is naive. They are not season defining, but on the back of such a poor finish to last season, they should be of grave concern.

Any Perm side put out with a 'normal' formation and shape should beat a VC team. If he played with 11 outfield players I'd understand. I'll measure the side post Palace
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: albion59 on August 01, 2016, 10:15:06 PM
If anyone think's it's going to be any better in the league you are seriously deluded, we will struggle to stay up.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: TheJacko2000 on August 01, 2016, 10:24:12 PM
If anyone think's it's going to be any better in the league you are seriously deluded, we will struggle to stay up.

Whereas in reality, anyone who thinks this result and performance will have any bearing on how we do in the league is seriously deluded...
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: bry on August 01, 2016, 10:27:57 PM
Leicester lost 4-0 to PSG. We lost 2-1. By some peoples logic on friendlies we should finish higher than Leicester. So no worries then.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: A5HB on August 01, 2016, 10:29:55 PM
Pre-Season results can always be a bit off. Lots of changes, unsettled teams, players at different stages of preparation, etc can lead to some silly goals and skewed score lines.

However what should matter is the performance. Fitness building is one thing but these games are to prepare us for competitive games so you have to make sure you are doing the right things, putting in proper performances. Now I'm not for one second accusing the players of not trying or anything like that, I'm sure they are but for whatever reason it just didn't quite happen for them. Even with their effort it's pretty clear we didn't play well tonight or on Saturday at a time when we should be starting to step things up. The poor performances, lack of cohesion and sharpness are more of a concern than the actual result IMO.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 01, 2016, 10:40:11 PM
No structure. No idea. And 1 up front. Oh dear things must improve dramatically
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Droitwich Baggie on August 01, 2016, 10:45:08 PM
What didn't really surprise me was that Olsson arrived with his crutches and wheel chair.  :-X
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: VVVAlbion on August 01, 2016, 10:56:12 PM
It's about fitness and sharpness. A non league side appear to be fitter and sharper than us a week before the start of the Premier League season.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Adamstv on August 01, 2016, 10:58:40 PM
Lots of changes, unsettled teams, players at different stages of preparation, etc can lead to some silly goals and skewed score lines.

Torquay made 10 changes !!!
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Tony Goddens Gloves on August 01, 2016, 11:20:31 PM
And we made only 5 changes. After the break we still decided to hoof it at berahino. Why ??  We lack creativity and a natural goal scorer. Continue like this and Pulis will be gone by the end of September and with no back up plan will join the rest of the West Midlands in the Championship !
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: A5HB on August 01, 2016, 11:22:25 PM
To be honest my point about unsettled teams, changes, etc was more of a general one as opposed to a direct comment on today's game. I was just pointing out what leads to some of the odd results you see in friendlies. If you read the rest of my post you'll see what my concerns about tonight are.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: baggiebof on August 01, 2016, 11:31:02 PM
I'm not quite sure what people expect. The squad is the same as last season, bar a straight swap Phillips for Sessegnon. Last season we struggled against lower league sides or sides that put the onus on us to break them down.

This won't change until we sign a midfielder capable of playing effectively in a 442 or a number 8/10 that can drive us forward from midfield and become our creator.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: neilm on August 02, 2016, 12:18:53 AM
Why is there no comments from our manager!
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: wbatillidie on August 02, 2016, 12:50:07 AM
If the result and performance are meaningless then what's the point in turning up. We should be beating these kinds of teams by default and considering this is how we played for the majority of last season you can see why people are fed up.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Jimmy on August 02, 2016, 01:23:26 AM
Why is there no comments from our manager!

Hard to speak when your covered in egg.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: A5HB on August 02, 2016, 07:46:56 AM
Why is there no comments from our manager!
He has no obligation to talk to the press post match during pre-season. Someone asked Matt Wilson at the E & S about it after Plymouth after Ben Garner spoke post match. Matt said that Pulis doesn't particularly like speaking to the press after games so he tends to put others up after friendlies as he doesn't have to do it himself.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: seteefeet on August 02, 2016, 08:46:40 AM
If the result and performance are meaningless then what's the point in turning up. We should be beating these kinds of teams by default and considering this is how we played for the majority of last season you can see why people are fed up.
The result is a bit meaningless but the performance certainly is not.
It's not ALL about fitness, if it was they would stay in the gym wired up to monitors. It is also about shape, formation, passing and movement etc. and you are absolutely right, what we appear to be seeing is an exact mirror of how we finished the season, on the back foot, setting up to defend with no real attacking endeavour.
If we played well, trying different things and creating a few chances, the result wouldn't matter. When you lose, creating very little and following the same blueprint that yielded no wins in the last 10, then yes, I would say it matters.
We are crying out for some creativity, but we also need a formation and set up that enables us to utilise it. No good buying attacking players if all they do is defend.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: WorcsWBA on August 02, 2016, 08:57:01 AM
After the game,  Dave Kemp said: "we were more positive in our attacking play tonight". Can anyone who was there confirm or deny this please? Of course, it may not take too much to be more positive than a goalless draw against Plymouth.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: smethwickw on August 02, 2016, 09:17:19 AM
The result is a bit meaningless but the performance certainly is not.
It's not ALL about fitness, if it was they would stay in the gym wired up to monitors. It is also about shape, formation, passing and movement etc. and you are absolutely right, what we appear to be seeing is an exact mirror of how we finished the season, on the back foot, setting up to defend with no real attacking endeavour.
If we played well, trying different things and creating a few chances, the result wouldn't matter. When you lose, creating very little and following the same blueprint that yielded no wins in the last 10, then yes, I would say it matters.
We are crying out for some creativity, but we also need a formation and set up that enables us to utilise it. No good buying attacking players if all they do is defend.

Top post. Sums up my feelings entirely.

Pulis was backed financially at Stoke and signed some decent players yet he still never took the handbrake off.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Morany on August 02, 2016, 09:18:30 AM
Christ, if you go to a preseason friendly and get upset about the result and performance then you're not cut out to be a football supporter. They're about fitness getting youngsters involved and if necessary integrating new players, our new player scored.

The majority of your posts are decent. But you comes across as a bit of a tw*t with this one.

Why shouldn't fans feel frustrated we can't beat a non-league side, with almost a full side out. Two weeks away from the start of the season, we should be clicking. It's not like we've had a complete overhaul is it? One new player to gel.

Not cut out to be a football supporter? May as well send my season ticket back and my Palace one too then  ::)
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Morany on August 02, 2016, 09:32:08 AM
http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/10519949/torquay-2-1-west-brom

Goals for anyone that hasn't seen them
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 02, 2016, 09:44:45 AM
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: WBAinDEVON on August 02, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.


all fans are the same,not just ours i listen to all phone ins
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Morany on August 02, 2016, 09:54:33 AM
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.

I fail to see how these games are as you put it 'irrelevant' if thats the case why not just play against each other in training?
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: P Anderson on August 02, 2016, 09:57:24 AM
After the game,  Dave Kemp said: "we were more positive in our attacking play tonight". Can anyone who was there confirm or deny this please? Of course, it may not take too much to be more positive than a goalless draw against Plymouth.

Yes, I would say this is a fair comment, there was a little more attacking play in last nights game, but for me, there didn't seem to be a clear plan on how we were approaching the game from the off. Our central midfield  seemed to go missing at points in both games (either sitting to deep or being pulled out to wide). The most startling thing about both games for me was the fact we are so predictable in most things we do in our play. I'm worried for our club. We need big changes from top to bottom.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: darbolina on August 02, 2016, 10:09:34 AM
Looking for a positive , Matt Phillips looks useful and his goal was well taken .
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: tuamigos on August 02, 2016, 11:35:40 AM
The main purposes of pre season is to build fitness and sharpness. Fitness might be getting there with each game they play but when will the fluency and sharpness come? Maybe things will fall into place when the season starts..........? The pattern of play seems to be continuing from the end of last season so far when we were awful?

Same players, same manager, same tactics same result!
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: smethwickw on August 02, 2016, 11:58:58 AM
Same players, same manager, same tactics same result!

Don't worry it was only a friendly. Things will be completely different a week on Saturday so I'm led to believe.  ;D
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: tommcneill on August 02, 2016, 12:11:46 PM
You don't expect to lose to a non-league side with a nearly full side out either way

at 70% fitness we should be able to deal with sides like this with ease.

Its a little embarrassing but if losing to Torquay means we have a good season then so be it
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: gavinrussell on August 02, 2016, 01:47:08 PM
Disappointing result but I expect that TP knows his starting 11 for the Palace game and although he would have wanted a win staying injury free would have been uppermost in his thoughts and the players too...there was a post early giving a prediction of a 1-0 win against Palace with them having all the play and possession..I fully concur with that...I want to be entertained as much as the next fan and have been extremely frustrated over the last few seasons...but everytime I look at the Internet and newspapers it says WBA are in the Premiership so we must be doing something right albeit in a not very entertaining way...
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: kc56wba on August 02, 2016, 04:16:09 PM
Ffs we lost in a friendly to a non - league club and the doom and gloom starts, If we had lost to a non - league club in the FA Cup ( remember Woking ) I could understand it but the match was a friendly, we didn't lose three points and we wor knocked out of a cup, so the result meant nothing.  Oh BTW it was a great weekend down there with all the Baggie fans.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 02, 2016, 04:37:49 PM
Our fans have to be the biggest bunch of moaners in the country. It's like they're sitting waiting for us to lose or some bad news so they can bombard forums and radio stations with their negativity.

Yes there are things that we could probably moan about the club, but a loss in pre season on a rainy irrelevant game isn't one in my opinion.

Does look like it but every clubs fans are the same even those that actually win stuff regularly. I do think some take some comfort in a poor performance just to have a pop about something though, i've avoided Twitter for a long time purely for that reason.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: smethwickw on August 02, 2016, 04:45:02 PM
Ffs we lost in a friendly to a non - league club and the doom and gloom starts, If we had lost to a non - league club in the FA Cup ( remember Woking ) I could understand it but the match was a friendly, we didn't lose three points and we wor knocked out of a cup, so the result meant nothing.  Oh BTW it was a great weekend down there with all the Baggie fans.

It's not the result that most people are worried about. It's the fact that we've dished up yet another tripe performance. Nothing has changed from the end of last season. Only new signings and a change of approach from TP will improve things.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: albion59 on August 02, 2016, 06:02:53 PM
Whereas in reality, anyone who thinks this result and performance will have any bearing on how we do in the league is seriously deluded...
It's not to do with the result, it's to do with only one new signing, still playing players out of position and trying to get a draw, nothing will change until Pulis as gone.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Lloydy on August 02, 2016, 07:06:52 PM
Does look like it but every clubs fans are the same even those that actually win stuff regularly. I do think some take some comfort in a poor performance just to have a pop about something though, i've avoided Twitter for a long time purely for that reason.

Similarly some can't wait to jump on the "moaners" and tell everyone what a fantastic supporter they are. Sadly both sides of the arguments have their idiots.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: OldburyWBA on August 02, 2016, 07:19:57 PM
Similarly some can't wait to jump on the "moaners" and tell everyone what a fantastic supporter they are. Sadly both sides of the arguments have their idiots.

Just like some can't wait to drag out the happy clapper stuff to those that don't pounce on pulis constantly, swings and roundabouts.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: WednesburyAlbion on August 02, 2016, 07:28:31 PM
I fail to see how these games are as you put it 'irrelevant' if thats the case why not just play against each other in training?

It is irrelevant. We've saw domestic and international sides have dreadful pre seasons and go on to have a successful period.

Pulis sides rely on effort you'd never expect us to do well in pre seasons really. I wouldn't want us to either lol 
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: WBArgo on August 02, 2016, 07:34:00 PM
Similarly some can't wait to jump on the "moaners" and tell everyone what a fantastic supporter they are. Sadly both sides of the arguments have their idiots.

I get your point, but I think moaning about friendlies is a very new phenomenom which has been enhanced by twitter et al.

Back in the 90's when coverage was less, no one cared because they didn't see the results. You could ask your average Albion fan who we played and they probably wouldn't know, or at least not know the score. Now it's all over the internet and is more significant in that sense to fans. Case in point, I watched the PSG and Vitesse games on streams and the Kiddie game had highlights. It's very, very new that friendlies are getting coverage.

So I'm sure this kind of result would have happened in our recent history albeit with less widespread information on the matter. In fact, under Hodgson we lost to a non-league USA team, but even as little as 3-5 years ago there wasn't as much unrest or information freely available with friendly matches.

Anyway, whilst I personally think the result was academic, I can see the tension with some fans especially due to our lack of signings. It seems the club is in transition right now which people don't like, i.e. not knowing whether the takeover will genuinely happen, people don't like being left in the dark.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: Lloydy on August 02, 2016, 09:59:46 PM
I personally feel there is a much bigger interest in pre season this year because it is so pivotal - we were all expecting / hoping for an improvement from last season. I think people are upset because there is no clear plan of transitioning to a better style of play. We look exactly the same as we did in May - awful.
Title: Re: 1 Aug 2016 Torquay United 2 Albion 1
Post by: alex1 on August 03, 2016, 01:01:46 PM
In friendlies I understand the team is not going flat out, with the prospect of injuries the main reason. I would not expect defenders to make reckless , last ditch tackles etc. However, you would expect the team to take risks attacking-wise. I can't understand how we can't open up a non-league outfit. Or maybe I can. Pulis teams are based on solid defensive organisation, with forwards expected to track back to help the defence. The problem is attacking creative play. This is a recurring problem. I don't even think Sakho will solve it. We field too many defensive players. Why do we always need a back 4? When you are expected to be dominating the play, e.g. against non-league opposition,  then why not play a back 3 and free up an extra attacking player. Otherwise, you have redundant back 4 player(s) who don't have the skill to add anything going forward. Or at least get in full backs that can go forward with the ball. This is what most of the Premier League teams have.  I can only see us struggling again this season unless we are alot more positive going forward in numbers. You hope that Pulis has learned from his Stoke days to be more positive, but I'm not holding my breath!