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« Reply #325 on: November 10, 2012, 12:45:42 AM »
I work with one or two Stokies and if they are a barometer then there is a definite undercurrent of discontent with the Pulis regime. The style of football, the fact he spends huge amounts on players then doesnt use them.......at all.... a la Palacios and Pennant who he recently off loaded. And where is Micheal Owen? I think the old school way of doing things like Pulis does is gradually becoming redundant in the modern game but will he keep them up...........I will say yes.
I thought it was well known that a portion of Stoke fans disliked Pulis?
It's a really tough one because if honest, he has worked wonders. He got them from a side scrapping it out between the Championship/League 1 to a steady Premiership club. As much we praise Gary Megson, Pulis went one better, arguably two - in keeping his side in the top flight instantly, and for that he deserves credit. Not to mention, the Europa league run.

However, could you imagine years of watching Megson-esque football? I'm no purist but it would eventually get quite dull and off-putting, which coupled with poor results could create discontent.

Undoubtedly he'll keep them up, and I don't even think their football is that bad at times, but there comes a time when his repetitive nature becomes testing.

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« Reply #326 on: November 10, 2012, 01:12:41 AM »
I thought it was well known that a portion of Stoke fans disliked Pulis?
It's a really tough one because if honest, he has worked wonders. He got them from a side scrapping it out between the Championship/League 1 to a steady Premiership club. As much we praise Gary Megson, Pulis went one better, arguably two - in keeping his side in the top flight instantly, and for that he deserves credit. Not to mention, the Europa league run.

However, could you imagine years of watching Megson-esque football? I'm no purist but it would eventually get quite dull and off-putting, which coupled with poor results could create discontent.

Undoubtedly he'll keep them up, and I don't even think their football is that bad at times, but there comes a time when his repetitive nature becomes testing.

He has the highest net spend since taking over of any club aside from City or Chelsea. They should be pushing the top 8 every season given the money he's given. He did well to get promoted and then keep them up but there's nothing impressive about the job he's done since. Anyone can fluke an FA cup run.

He's just a blackhole of money, far too much of a dinosaur. You only have to see how every single transfer window he leaves his deals till the last day then rushes through a bunch of players who generally end up being huge wastes of money. Even the ones that do work out, things like Crouch who cost 12m and is no doubt on huge wages - they'll get little to no return on that transfer, how many clubs in the league could afford that kind of deal?

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« Reply #327 on: November 10, 2012, 02:45:08 AM »
From an outsider's perspective, Sturk are a club caught in a tricky dilemma over their current position and long-term goals.  I'd say their chances of getting relegated under Pulis are slim to none.  However, I'd say their chances of breaking into the top half of the table or winning a trophy under Pulis are also now slim to none.  The run of form in 2011 that almost gave them both didn't sustain itself in the long term, and they had nothing to show for it in the end (although a nice little European adventure probably took the edge off for a little while).  So, do you sack the man who transformed your club's fortunes, in an all or nothing gamble?  Do you keep the prizes you've got, or trade it all in for what's behind the curtain?

Where Albion have got a clear-cut plan that seems to take multiple eventualities and scenarios into account over a number of years, in the boardrooms at the Brit I think things may have been done a bit more on the fly.  It seems that the extent of their planning was to get to the Premier League and then stay there; no ideas about what to aim for five years down the line.  So the fans get a bit restless, and wonder what they're paying their money for.  And if they rattle the sabre enough, a change is going to come.

If or when we see that day, I'll be watching with interest, because footballing history rarely reflects well on clubs who sacrifice guaranteed stability to go chasing a dream.  At least not without a ton of money behind them.
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Re: Anything Stoke
« Reply #328 on: November 10, 2012, 09:57:00 AM »
He has the highest net spend since taking over of any club aside from City or Chelsea. They should be pushing the top 8 every season given the money he's given. He did well to get promoted and then keep them up but there's nothing impressive about the job he's done since. Anyone can fluke an FA cup run.

He's just a blackhole of money, far too much of a dinosaur. You only have to see how every single transfer window he leaves his deals till the last day then rushes through a bunch of players who generally end up being huge wastes of money. Even the ones that do work out, things like Crouch who cost 12m and is no doubt on huge wages - they'll get little to no return on that transfer, how many clubs in the league could afford that kind of deal?

another club that spends without having a structure or identity, they think players will win games and not a team.
Even Cillit would have banged that one in..

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« Reply #329 on: November 10, 2012, 01:39:21 PM »
At one point the fans did not much care about the the rather turgid football that Pullis served up because a bit like ourselves after a number of years in the wilderness they were just happy to be in the premier league and the hoofball was a means to an end. However five years on the fans are growing a little restless because not only have they spent quite a bit of money but other teams of similar stature have stayed in the division without resorting to the route one stuff that Stoke have become associated with.

The dilema is changing the manager and one assumes the style of play runs the risk of losing their Premier League status because their current squad is geared up to play the Pulis way, unless the Stoke board is prepapred to fund a major revamp they need to be very careful about how quickly they try to turn Stoke into the Barcelona of the Potteries.
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« Reply #330 on: November 14, 2012, 04:20:52 AM »
So Pulis should keep buying in "route one" style footballers...


to keep making it more and more expensive for the Board to sack him and rebuild under a different Manager.



Sounds like a smart move in Job security  :D

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« Reply #331 on: November 14, 2012, 07:20:52 AM »
So Pulis should keep buying in "route one" style footballers...
to keep making it more and more expensive for the Board to sack him and rebuild under a different Manager.
Sounds like a smart move in Job security  :D

You say that tongue in cheek Aixel but actually there is likely more than a smidge of truth in what your saying. Pulis has always been a bit of an empire builder. You get the feeling he gets a bit of a buzz out of the power his position carries. As other posters have said though he does bring stability. Me I couldnt pitch up and watch that sort stuff very week, id lose interest.

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« Reply #332 on: November 27, 2012, 08:44:31 AM »
Time to Stoke the fire
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« Reply #333 on: November 27, 2012, 01:13:11 PM »
This is one game i want us to win.We need to stop them singing that dreadfull Tom Jones tune :)
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« Reply #334 on: November 27, 2012, 04:15:22 PM »
This is one game i want us to win.We need to stop them singing that dreadfull Tom Jones tune :)

I dont mind that one so much WBA its the "We always beat West Brom" 2 minutes from time that I would like shoved back up their proverbial...........

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« Reply #335 on: November 28, 2012, 11:48:32 AM »
Be prepared for the Hoooooffffff
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« Reply #336 on: November 29, 2012, 08:46:49 AM »
Beating these will more than make up for last night
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« Reply #337 on: November 29, 2012, 09:00:47 AM »
Beating these will more than make up for last night

They're playing awful at the minute and still picking up the results.

I think it'll be a difficult game.

Hooooff!  ;D

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« Reply #338 on: November 29, 2012, 11:00:49 AM »
Bring on the Delilahs
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« Reply #339 on: November 29, 2012, 08:15:14 PM »
All Crouchy wants for Christmas is his two front teeth! ;D
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« Reply #340 on: November 30, 2012, 08:40:59 AM »
All Crouchy wants for Christmas is his two front teeth! ;D


and a razor
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« Reply #341 on: January 30, 2013, 09:33:06 AM »
Is everyone ready for the Stoke show tomorrow.How many times have they spent millions on virtually the last day of every transfer window and still finish below us :D
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« Reply #342 on: January 31, 2013, 07:04:11 PM »
Dont they look intelligent behind the Sky fella
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« Reply #343 on: January 31, 2013, 11:43:38 PM »
What a bunch of numptys nearly midnight freezing cold and waiting for more deals
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« Reply #344 on: February 01, 2013, 09:30:59 PM »
I'm not Pulis's biggest fan I think he is a relic from the past to be honest but the deal for Butland is an inspired bit of business for £3.5m. I'm staggered that not one of the top 4 tabled a bid for the future England keeper. Absolute peanuts for a player with so much ability and potential. Not played a PL game and already been in the England squad.

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« Reply #345 on: February 01, 2013, 10:08:22 PM »
Butland said it himself any deal needed to be right for him and he seems to value first team football more than anything so the loan back to Blues makes total sense to both him and the two clubs. He gets chance to develop a little further playing for Blue while knowing his long term future is secured at Stoke, it seems to be a good deal for everyone involved.

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« Reply #346 on: February 01, 2013, 10:57:55 PM »
I'm not Pulis's biggest fan I think he is a relic from the past to be honest but the deal for Butland is an inspired bit of business for £3.5m. I'm staggered that not one of the top 4 tabled a bid for the future England keeper. Absolute peanuts for a player with so much ability and potential. Not played a PL game and already been in the England squad.

That's the best bit ruby, Chelsea did but he turned them down. He wants to play at a club where he will not just be a back up. Credit to him, an intelligent footballer with his head screwed on.
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« Reply #347 on: February 01, 2013, 11:43:54 PM »
That's the best bit ruby, Chelsea did but he turned them down. He wants to play at a club where he will not just be a back up. Credit to him, an intelligent footballer with his head screwed on.

Thanks baggies i didnt catch that. Good for him. Seems unusual in this day and age when players seem quite content to sit in the reserves and just pick up their fat wage. Think Lukaku should also get a bit of credit for coming to us to improve himself.

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« Reply #348 on: February 02, 2013, 08:45:20 PM »
An ESPN blog posting about Brek Shea's move to Stoke:

At £2.5 million, it's a value signing on Stoke's part. The Potters would pay a higher fee for a talented wing player from almost anywhere else, especially a 22-year-old with Shea's potential. MLS is rapidly becoming a bargain hunter's paradise, a fact of which Stoke is keenly aware after picking up the versatile Geoff Cameron from the Houston Dynamo last summer. Provided he can settle in quickly, Shea could pay immediate dividends for Pulis.

That is, if Shea settles in and if Pulis finds a way to effectively use his new player. On the surface, this move doesn't seem like much of a match. Shea is big enough for Stoke, but he's known more for his one-on-one moves and dynamic attacking abilities up the left than for anything resembling the physical style of the Potters. He's not a natural defender, either. Stoke's midfield doesn't appear to have the type of space in which Shea would thrive. And when he does defend, it’s the clumsy type of defending you'd expect from a player who has spent much of his young career focused on scoring goals.

Not that anyone should doubt Pulis's ability to rapidly determine how Shea best fits into the Stoke system, then plug him in to great effect. It may not be obvious now, but Pulis is hardly the type of manager to take a flyer on a player like Shea without some idea as to how he will contribute to the Stoke cause. In the club's statement on Shea's transfer, Pulis said Stoke has been tracking Shea's progress for the past three years.

Brek is in the Premier League now. Stoke isn't the preferred destination for budding American internationals from the U.S. national team perspective. But a player whose attention may have waned in MLS and whose relationship with his coach was threatening to derail his progress now gets a fresh start in an environment that will challenge his commitment and adaptability. Shea might morph into a different player under Pulis than we've watched grow over the past five years, but that doesn't have to mean he, or the national team, will be worse for the transformation.


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/soccerusa/id/1175


To my list of things football coverage in America needs to get straight, I am adding: pounds v dollars. This is the third consecutive transfer from MLS to Premier League in which at least half of the American reports have gotten the currency of the transfer fee wrong. A pound is not equal to a dollar.

The punishment for every reporter who assumes USD when the correct currency is GBP should be to have his wages set in GBP and mistakenly be paid the same number of USD, so that he can experience the difference for himself.

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Re: Anything Stoke
« Reply #349 on: February 03, 2013, 10:15:54 PM »
I'm not Pulis's biggest fan I think he is a relic from the past to be honest but the deal for Butland is an inspired bit of business for £3.5m. I'm staggered that not one of the top 4 tabled a bid for the future England keeper. Absolute peanuts for a player with so much ability and potential. Not played a PL game and already been in the England squad.
Butland wanted to play, so nearly guarantees that Begovic is off this summer. Chelsea were interested but couldn't use him in the first team.