[Baggies]

Not only is it a good appointment but he has an English number 2 , who is his usual assistant !

Barry was linked with the Ireland job not that long ago, Barry's are almost always Irish descent.

[Baggies]

Feel sorry for Lee Carsley, got hammered by the press before even getting the job due to him being a dual national. He had a very small sample size to prove himself and failed the limited audition. As it happens, I think with time, it may well have worked. I think his views on international football and how to set a side up for summer tournaments hold a lot of water. Players like Angel Gomes probably wont get another look in despite what they can offer. Argentina and Spain both won the last 2 majors with a similar back ground to Carsley.

Onto Tuchel, I understand the views of those who want an English qualifird coach, its a reasonable view, but i'm a pragmatist and as SmethDan has illustrated, there are no English coaches at the top level and the environment doesnt lend itself to support them. Tuchel has a track record of winning things. It might not work out - lots of evidence of that in his recent spells - but if he can get one good tournament out of us then i wont celebrate less just because he is not English.

[NJS]

Should we win anything, I will feel that the trophy has been won by a team of English qualified players managed, direct5ed and coached  by a German - for factually that's what it will be.

[zippyandbungle]

Feel sorry for Lee Carsley, got hammered by the press before even getting the job due to him being a dual national. He had a very small sample size to prove himself and failed the limited audition. As it happens, I think with time, it may well have worked. I think his views on international football and how to set a side up for summer tournaments hold a lot of water. Players like Angel Gomes probably wont get another look in despite what they can offer. Argentina and Spain both won the last 2 majors with a similar back ground to Carsley.

Onto Tuchel, I understand the views of those who want an English qualifird coach, its a reasonable view, but i'm a pragmatist and as SmethDan has illustrated, there are no English coaches at the top level and the environment doesnt lend itself to support them. Tuchel has a track record of winning things. It might not work out - lots of evidence of that in his recent spells - but if he can get one good tournament out of us then i wont celebrate less just because he is not English.

For years clubs went with the merry go round of Fat Sam,Redknapp,Pulis etc,that’s why there are a very small amount of English coaches …clubs went safety first and whilst foreign coaches were set on development ,diet and technical ability,Tge British coaches were set on 40 points however it be.

I think Tuchel is the best currently available and I’d actually put him up against Pep if they were allowed the same finance and circumstance.

I don’t feel sorry for Carsley,he has had an immense experience and opportunity and proved quite quickly he ain’t there…but no one should have expected him to be really.
I think we have a better chance of winning the next World Cup today than we have at any point in the last decade .

[WBAinDEVON]

i believe the last English manager to win anything was Harry Redknapp 2008 whos club Portsmouth purchased the FA Cup. is Neviile aware of this

[SmethDan]

Agree with all that. Bavarians have a cultural difference with north Germans and 'Prussians', but it doesn't go so far as not feeling German. Beckenbauer, Lahm, Muller (both famous ones), Schweinsteiger all Bavarians, but never heard they didn't want to represent Germany. I live in Hamburg much of the year, and lots of rivalry and songs about Bayern, (one about pulling their Lederhosen down!), but it doesn't go further than that.

Funny you should mention that Alex. My mate's Bavarian Mrs used to join in when we sang '10 German bombers'. Seriously. As for not wanting to play for Germany I reckon the players you've listed would have jumped at the chance to represent Bavaria instead had it been an option. You're right that the rivalry isn't one way either. Having lived in Germany for four years I picked up on that too.

[tommcneill]

Think Tuchel is a very good appointment myself, a manager that wins things.

Don't care about nationality in the slightest. I'd rather a winning German than a losing Englishman.

[WBArgo]

Think Tuchel is a very good appointment myself, a manager that wins things.

Don't care about nationality in the slightest. I'd rather a winning German than a losing Englishman.

Agree, he is a winner as well and has a very good cup/competition record. For me, he is the opposite of Southgate and completely what we need.

[liverbaggie]

Good choice, wins things

[alex1]

Funny you should mention that Alex. My mate's Bavarian Mrs used to join in when we sang '10 German bombers'. Seriously. As for not wanting to play for Germany I reckon the players you've listed would have jumped at the chance to represent Bavaria instead had it been an option. You're right that the rivalry isn't one way either. Having lived in Germany for four years I picked up on that too.

Even if I knew the words Dan, that's certainly not a song I'd be joining in on. There are some topics which go beyond normal banter.

[SmethDan]

Even if I knew the words Dan, that's certainly not a song I'd be joining in on. There are some topics which go beyond normal banter.

I suppose that's true enough now Alex but it was of it's time and I was much younger then. That said I always gave renditions of '........'chicken supper'.......' a pretty wide berth.

[gazberg]

Eddie Howe confirms he was not contacted at all by the FA for the England job.

One of the journos yesterday claimed Tuchel agreed his deal on the 8th, over a week before it was announced

[hardtobeat]

You’ve got to laugh at some of the so called journalists and football people . Perhaps Allardyce is the best example of absolutely lambasting the appointment of Tuchel saying the manager should be English but having also stated that Guardiola would be fantastic, the holy grail appointment . Last time I checked Pep wasn’t English , Matt Wallace one of the best sports journalists said very similar !!
The only really good manager is a winning one and Tuchel has more chance of winning a trophy than most imo !

[iwastherein68]

There is no English manager in the PL good enough to manage the national team. Choose from Eddie Howe,
Sean Dyche, and the Dingle. None of them good enough to manage the Baggies! , and Graham Potter a hopeful ? med me loff

[boinging_along]

It's a position as a football manager, not a war time general.

Get the best man for the job and support him.

[gazberg]

For me he's streets ahead of Carsley and Southgate so have no issues with it. In fact he's not afraid to speak his mind so after all the peace and quiet the FA have had with Southgate this might be a nice shake up

[alex1]

Although I think Tuchel is a good choice, just a bit curious who the other candidates were, especially the English ones. If Howe wasn't approached, the mind boggles who they might have been.
I like the way the FA said we approached "approximately" 10 candidates. It covers them for the 30 second interviews which went like, "are you interested in the job? Nope. Ok thanks." 

[alex1]

I suppose that's true enough now Alex but it was of it's time and I was much younger then. That said I always gave renditions of '........'chicken supper'.......' a pretty wide berth.

Good to know Dan, that you're older and wiser As someone who has alot of dealings with Germans, I've a lot of respect for the massive effort they've put in to stamp out the extreme militarism from 80 years ago. 

[MarkW]

Although I think Tuchel is a good choice, just a bit curious who the other candidates were, especially the English ones. If Howe wasn't approached, the mind boggles who they might have been.
I like the way the FA said we approached "approximately" 10 candidates. It covers them for the 30 second interviews which went like, "are you interested in the job? Nope. Ok thanks." 

The FA released a job spec and the number one thing was either to have won trophies in the premier league or international football. That puts Howe out, along with most other English candidates.

If they then had 10 candidates who got to interview after that, then that is very interesting as it would suggest most of the candidates were foreign.

[SmethDan]

The FA released a job spec and the number one thing was either to have won trophies in the premier league or international football. That puts Howe out, along with most other English candidates.

If they then had 10 candidates who got to interview after that, then that is very interesting as it would suggest most of the candidates were foreign.

When you consider they weren't reportedly keen on paying compensation to clubs where managers were currently employed either that's quite a narrow net to cast when you think about it.

[hardtobeat]

When you consider they weren't reportedly keen on paying compensation to clubs where managers were currently employed either that's quite a narrow net to cast when you think about it.

There are ways and means around it though. E.G Pep wants the job they just have to wait until the end of the season when his contract runs out .
Even if they were prepared to pay compo I don’t see many Englishmen apart from Howe that that would have put in contention

[WBAinDEVON]

Anybody else excited not with the up and coming England games

[liverbaggie]

How many of these international breaks happen through the season now?
It seams like every few weeks, this stop/start during our season puts me off a bit.
I mean why should it stop the Championship and the lower leagues seasons?
Sure, pause the Premier League calendar but not the rest of us, we can carry on regardless.
Ok, if we or another club have players called up may have a case to pause their matches but the vast majority should continue tgeir fixtures, that way keeps everyone happy.

[Hull Baggie]

How many of these international breaks happen through the season now?
It seams like every few weeks, this stop/start during our season puts me off a bit.
I mean why should it stop the Championship and the lower leagues seasons?
Sure, pause the Premier League calendar but not the rest of us, we can carry on regardless.
Ok, if we or another club have players called up may have a case to pause their matches but the vast majority should continue tgeir fixtures, that way keeps everyone happy.

Lots of EFL clubs have international players though including League 2 sides.

I agree it is annoying and there are far too many international games though.

[baggiebof]

How many of these international breaks happen through the season now?
It seams like every few weeks, this stop/start during our season puts me off a bit.
I mean why should it stop the Championship and the lower leagues seasons?
Sure, pause the Premier League calendar but not the rest of us, we can carry on regardless.
Ok, if we or another club have players called up may have a case to pause their matches but the vast majority should continue tgeir fixtures, that way keeps everyone happy.

I think it would be better all round if there were less international breaks but the breaks were combined into one or two larger break. Not just because there would be fewer interruptions to the regular football season but in terms of international football, that would be more tournament like and would give coaches a more prolonged time to work with the squads.