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« Reply #125 on: November 29, 2015, 10:52:37 AM »
All time low for heavyweight boxing.

People wouldn't be so complimentary about Fury if him and his family turned up on a field near you in their caravans  ;D
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« Reply #126 on: November 29, 2015, 09:37:07 PM »
Can't wait for AJ to knock him out within about 90 seconds.
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« Reply #127 on: November 30, 2015, 12:21:17 PM »
love him  or hate him, Fury has got a lot of people watching heavy weight again. The field is wide open now..........Joshua is the future though, I can't see Fury lasting long............

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« Reply #128 on: November 30, 2015, 01:38:11 PM »

He is a fantastic boxer technically. He has always looked awkward and ungainly but his boxing last three or four fights has been outstanding. Did you see him against Christian Hammer and Dereck Chisora? He can switch hit, southpaw or orthodox, he can move, he's athletic, he can jab. Very, very under-rated.

Joshua is a great prospect but that's all he is upto now he hasn't fought anyone that can hit back yet. The hype train goes on like it did with David Price.

Personally I don't remember there being as much hype around David Price as there was with Joshua, especially not from the early stages of his career.

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« Reply #129 on: November 30, 2015, 01:44:44 PM »
Personally I don't remember there being as much hype around David Price as there was with Joshua, especially not from the early stages of his career.


There was a fair bit but Sky didn't have full rights to Price's fights like they have with Joshua's.

Joshua is learning nothing knocking over skittles. When he competes in the top league he'll find it much tougher. He has no great lower or upper body movement, he hasn't learned the art of not getting hit or controlling distance. What's he going to do when someone he hits doesn't fall over? He's nowhere near as skilled as Fury.

Fury was covered by Boxnation up until the Wlad fight and he was hardly mentioned on Sky, now suddenly Sky are all over him.

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« Reply #130 on: November 30, 2015, 01:45:25 PM »
Can't wait for AJ to knock him out within about 90 seconds.


You'll have a long wait.

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« Reply #131 on: November 30, 2015, 02:05:37 PM »
I don't understand how you can say he is technically excellent.  How many clean crisp shots does he land?  His head did the best work tonight, accidently of course.  This is the guy who actually punched himself in the ring.

Hes clumsy, awkward, unorthodox and he does switch but looks as bad at both.

But he is an opponent that makes others look poor which he did to Klitschko tonight.  He got his game plan spot on and deserved the win and the belts.  I just think he's horrible to watch.
So he's technically poor, awful to watch and gets results from frustrating his opponents rather than showing real attacking intent.
Now we know where Pulis disappeared to last week, he was doing a bit of moonlighting  ;)

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« Reply #132 on: December 04, 2015, 08:18:37 AM »
Got my Frampton Vs Quigg tickets  ;D

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« Reply #133 on: December 07, 2015, 07:30:32 PM »
Joshua is a great prospect but that's all he is upto now he hasn't fought anyone that can hit back yet. The hype train goes on like it did with David Price.

The difference is phenomenal though. Joshua is the fastest heavyweight at that level about (bar maybe one), his speed and accuracy are frightening. Price was hyped up but to the level where they hoped he win a world title, with Joshua we're waiting for it.

You can say what Yu like about Fury, I'm not a fan personally, but you have to respect what he achieved and irrespective of how it was done, he walked away Champion. Haven't seen many members complain about when the Ukrainians were robotically winning fight after fight.

The good thing is we won't have to wait for AJ to get to Fury, Deontay Wilder will turn him over. Then when Joshua fights him, that'll be a World Heavyweight clash that'll be like a throwback.

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« Reply #134 on: December 07, 2015, 07:37:07 PM »
Got my Frampton Vs Quigg tickets  ;D

I was too slow!. Looks like they have sold out :(

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« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2015, 07:51:59 PM »
I was too slow!. Looks like they have sold out :(

I was too slow too, they sold out in 8 minutes!!

We had to go to scott quiggs nans chippy in Bury just to get some
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« Reply #136 on: December 09, 2015, 03:59:43 PM »
I was too slow too, they sold out in 8 minutes!!

We had to go to scott quiggs nans chippy in Bury just to get some

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« Reply #137 on: December 12, 2015, 12:47:57 PM »
Who's everyone backing tonight ?

Love it AJ lost and DW knocked him out in under 4 rounds.

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« Reply #138 on: December 12, 2015, 08:17:09 PM »
Who's everyone backing tonight ?

Love it AJ lost and DW knocked him out in under 4 rounds.

Why Whyte comes across as an utter cnut?
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« Reply #139 on: December 13, 2015, 09:32:38 AM »
There you go guys, Joshua won but his inefficiencies showed last night. Too muscly, too immobile, no upper body or head movement, not great defence. His body shape means he will never really be able to improve his mobility that much so he's going to always have limitations to some extent.

If David Haye is still what he was he beats Joshua, too quick, moves well, explosive, good hand speed.

As for Fury he'd box Joshua's head off. He moves too well, boxes too well and has a natural size advantage. Joshua doesn't have the defensive ability of Wladimir Klitschko and he doesn't control behind the jab like Wlad does. If Wlad couldn't get to Fury, Joshua has no chance and he'd be far too easy to Fury to hit.

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« Reply #140 on: December 13, 2015, 09:39:16 AM »
There you go guys, Joshua won but his inefficiencies showed last night. Too muscly, too immobile, no upper body or head movement, not great defence. His body shape means he will never really be able to improve his mobility that much so he's going to always have limitations to some extent.

If David Haye is still what he was he beats Joshua, too quick, moves well, explosive, good hand speed.

As for Fury he'd box Joshua's head off. He moves too well, boxes too well and has a natural size advantage. Joshua doesn't have the defensive ability of Wladimir Klitschko and he doesn't control behind the jab like Wlad does. If Wlad couldn't get to Fury, Joshua has no chance and he'd be far too easy to Fury to hit.

He can change hes physique he needs to cut the weights out and muscle building exercises and work on what hes good at and that's boxing no need for him to be looking to pack on more muscle whatsoever.


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« Reply #141 on: December 13, 2015, 09:49:31 AM »
He can change hes physique he needs to cut the weights out and muscle building exercises and work on what hes good at and that's boxing no need for him to be looking to pack on more muscle whatsoever.


He is naturally muscular but there is rumour inside boxing that he's on steroids. People who know more about these things than me point to his belly shape and tell me that is symptomatic of someone on 'roids. If that IS the case (and I wouldn't know either way) Joshua is taking a huge risk.

You can improve mobility to an extent yes, but you look at someone like Fury who has improved ridiculously in the last couple of years - that mobility is natural. Even before his improvement he wasn't stiff and without any form of upper body movement, Joshua is.

Fury after a few knockdowns did what Wladimir did years ago. He went away, had good time out and changed things. He's clearly found a style that works for him and has developed fantastic skills. Wladimir years ago banned his brother from his training camp, changed his trainer, went away and developed a way of fighting that kept him unbeaten for a decade. Joshua won't be able to do that, he doesn't have the natural skillset to do it and his body shape means he will never be a natural mover. He's a fast twitcher which is why he's a good sprinter, it means he's naturally explosive. He'll always be more exciting to watch than Fury but he won't be as good technicaly. There were probably more punches thrown in two or three rounds last night than in the whole Fury - Klitschko fight but the technical quality was nowhere near the same.

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« Reply #142 on: December 13, 2015, 10:02:45 AM »
He needs to cut the body building out and work on cardiovascular. He look spent last night by the 4th round.
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« Reply #143 on: December 13, 2015, 10:41:13 AM »

He is naturally muscular but there is rumour inside boxing that he's on steroids. People who know more about these things than me point to his belly shape and tell me that is symptomatic of someone on 'roids. If that IS the case (and I wouldn't know either way) Joshua is taking a huge risk.

You can improve mobility to an extent yes, but you look at someone like Fury who has improved ridiculously in the last couple of years - that mobility is natural. Even before his improvement he wasn't stiff and without any form of upper body movement, Joshua is.

Fury after a few knockdowns did what Wladimir did years ago. He went away, had good time out and changed things. He's clearly found a style that works for him and has developed fantastic skills. Wladimir years ago banned his brother from his training camp, changed his trainer, went away and developed a way of fighting that kept him unbeaten for a decade. Joshua won't be able to do that, he doesn't have the natural skillset to do it and his body shape means he will never be a natural mover. He's a fast twitcher which is why he's a good sprinter, it means he's naturally explosive. He'll always be more exciting to watch than Fury but he won't be as good technicaly. There were probably more punches thrown in two or three rounds last night than in the whole Fury - Klitschko fight but the technical quality was nowhere near the same.

Without talking about a blokes body to much  :-X I think it's he's arms and shoulders that are causing the mechanical punches and movements naturally, he threw a right in the early rounds and it was very predictable.

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« Reply #144 on: December 13, 2015, 02:16:51 PM »

You can improve mobility to an extent yes, but you look at someone like Fury who has improved ridiculously in the last couple of years - that mobility is natural. Even before his improvement he wasn't stiff and without any form of upper body movement, Joshua is.


Funny you say that because at the end of the fight, Joshua's dad came up to the sky interviewer and said " this is the result of hard work not steroids". I thought it strange to say such a specific thing but there you go, wasn't aware of the allegations.

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« Reply #145 on: December 13, 2015, 02:33:27 PM »
Despite these so called deficiencies he finished him in stunning style despite being supposedly spent 3 rounds prior. Can only see good things for the lad.
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« Reply #146 on: December 16, 2015, 09:56:50 AM »
Saturday exposed the Joshua hype for what it is... hype.  Don’t get me wrong Joshua is a fantastic prospect but all this talk of him being able to beat anyone in the division right now is absolute garbage, Joshua isn’t ready for Fury, Klitchsklo, Povetkin or even Wilder at the moment.   His defence needs alot of work, his head movement needs to improve and footwork isn’t perfect either.  On the plus side although his chin isn’t made of kryptonite he did show superb powers of recovery after the second round.

This was Joshua’s 15th fight and probably the only one he has learnt anything from, I hope Hearn puts him in with some more game fighters like Whyte and not knock down jobs but with the hype train that surrounds Joshua Hearn knows he can stick him in with pretty much anyone and the casuals will still lap it up.  I suspect a shot Derek Chisora in April will be next and the Sky hype machine will ensure that it is presented as if it is a meaningful fight for AJ.
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« Reply #147 on: December 16, 2015, 10:54:05 AM »
his head movement needs to improve

Agreed.

The only time his head moved the other night was when he got hit  :).
Does indeed need to improve his footwork too, not to mention working on his balance which would go hand in hand.

Very top heavy with comparitively small calf muscles for such a well set fella, tremendous physique but needs to become more proportionate. All very doable though. Fury has small calf muscles too, but he carries less compact muscle up top.

Daft as it sounds for a big fighting man, the odd dance/ballet lesson would not go amiss.
Not  enough emphasis on natural fluid movement in the heavy weight division, possibly because they are so big these days, but for me that's no excuse. Yoga would also help not only in terms of strength and balance but breathing and relaxation. He tenses up an awful lot. If he already does these things then he needs to do them more often.

The young Mike Tyson's early training with D'Amato involved lots of head movement to reduce the number and impact of blows on the way into mashing his bigger opponents. I remember seeing training clips of him avoiding a small swinging lead weight on a chain to improve his technique. Not sure how many ballet lesson's he took though  ;).

Nothing wrong with a bigger fella moving out of the way and working his angles better on the way in too. Although Joshua caught up with him, Whyte did at least slip a lot of his punches and used a bit of ring craft to land his own. Joshua also tends to throw arm punches rather than using his whole frame. The power he currently generates does punish his opponents, but the power he COULD generate would be truly devastating.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Joshua has an enormous amount of potential and he does throw a decent selection of punches. It'd just be a shame if his potential was knocked out of his ears before he has a chance to show case exactly what I believe he is definitely capable of.
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« Reply #148 on: December 16, 2015, 11:38:54 PM »
Lets not forget that Joshua won the Olympic gold which tends to guarantee media interest and hype through no fault of his own. He's also looking the part far more than a certain Audley Harrison who lived off the hype and didn't knuckle down.
Every good heavyweight in history has had plenty of easy fights on their record. Chisora would be a reasonable next opponent who could maybe give Joshua four or five rounds work. 

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« Reply #149 on: December 17, 2015, 08:10:29 AM »
Lets not forget that Joshua won the Olympic gold which tends to guarantee media interest and hype through no fault of his own. He's also looking the part far more than a certain Audley Harrison who lived off the hype and didn't knuckle down.
Every good heavyweight in history has had plenty of easy fights on their record. Chisora would be a reasonable next opponent who could maybe give Joshua four or five rounds work.


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