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who should go?
« on: April 04, 2015, 05:38:41 PM »
OK maybe a knee jerk reaction to this afternoons non-event at the Hawthorns. If we need to lose/ship out 10 players by hook or crook irrespective of theyre contract position who would they be?

1. Myhill - dont cut it for me too complacent as no 2 - & prob needs 1st team football (not based on todays result)
2. Mulumbu - every close season fancies a move to a better club - but for me a great servant who just doesnt cut it here anymore - better for him to move on but I doubt he'll go higher!
3. Davidson - who?
4. Brown Ideye - have tried to give him time - but just cant see it happening for him!
5. Olssen - past his best
6. GMac - great servant but as Jonas!
7. Sess - promises so much - delivers very little!
8. Gardener - ordinary!
9. Anichebe - biggest waste of 6m I've ever seen
10. Baird - just dont see what he offers over other players.

Ok this is subjective & these are my opinions! Not here to openly slate players - its a discussion, I havent included loan players, those who haven't been selected regularly by either AI or TP (with the exception of Jason Davidson who has rarely figured if at all!) or Berahino whom I believe would rather prefer to sit on somebody elses bench (not that I can blame him!)
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Re: who should go?
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2015, 05:42:34 PM »
Morrison and Brunt.
OK occasionally but too many times they are caught lacking.
Just Championship players now.

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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2015, 05:51:03 PM »
Morrison and Brunt.
OK occasionally but too many times they are caught lacking.
Just Championship players now.

Two of our best players today. At least these two have some heart. Can't afford to get rid of everyone anyway
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Re: who should go?
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2015, 05:51:23 PM »
That a 12 . Anichebe was great . But how often is he fit . 10 games a season is no good .

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Re: who should go?
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2015, 05:56:03 PM »
Baird
Gamboa

Davidson
Pocognoli
McAuley
Olsson
Wisdom
Mulumbu
Anichebe
Ideye
Sessegnon
Yacob

Questionable one is Berahino.  I think his attitude and recent form might mean he stays.

Those are the players I think wont be here by September next season.

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2015, 05:59:43 PM »
With the exception of Fletcher, Morrison, Foster, Lescott, Saido then everyone else should be looking over their shoulders and having a chat with their agents just in case.

Appreciate the fact that Brunt is a good servant but at the moment he is out of the midfield and I don't see where he will fit in a Pulis midfield and we need a proper left back although Brunt has figured their for Northern Ireland recently including before he moved there for us and has played some of his best football this season in that role
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Re: who should go?
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2015, 06:11:31 PM »
Pulis did say it was going to be his toughest job yet and he's not wrong.

The revolving door in the summer is going to make the agents busy.




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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2015, 06:47:11 PM »
We are desperate for a fans favourite and desperate for a creative player.

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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2015, 06:50:16 PM »
Looks like another Summer overhaul. Hopefully Pulis gets the players he wants instead of getting players in who the Head Coach didn't want like last Summer with Irvine. I can see us needing to sign at least ten players.
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2015, 06:58:02 PM »
As far as I'm concerned the whole lot can go. I have no feelings towards any of them.

The only ones worth keeping are Lescott, Foster, Fletcher, Yacob and Berahino. The rest of the squad is just a bunch of average, mediocre players who have either been here too long or aren't good enough. We have a big summer ahead because the squad is dysfunctional, isn't balanced and needs some serious repair work. We tried this last season and unfortunately the recruitment was poor.
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Re: who should go?
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2015, 07:00:14 PM »
I would imagine the first casualty the second the final whistle goes to end the season will be Terry Burton closely followed by Mervyn Day.  That's if they were responsible for this seasons laughable recruitment.

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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2015, 07:43:47 PM »
I think we have a fair few players that are no longer fit for purpose and only a handful should be kept on in an ideal world, the rest get rid of.

However, I don't think it is feasible to get rid of nearly all the first team squad, God knows they deserve to be shipped out, as it would be a near impossible task to replace them all.

So, it will have to be evolution and not revolution over a number of transfer windows and hope that during this time we can retain our status in the PL.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2015, 07:53:37 PM »
There won't be a drastic 15-18 player clear out. I imagine we'll still have:

Foster
Dawson
Brunt
Lescott
Fletcher
Morrison
McManaman
and hopefully Berahino

as the basis of next season's starting eleven, which means we need 3 quality additions and then a ruthless overhaul of the "squad" players.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2015, 08:31:39 PM »
It all depends on what the manager thinks we need and what the Chairman will stump up.
Frankley I think Terry Burton should be moved on after he presided over last Summer's transfer debacle.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2015, 08:57:13 PM »
It all depends on what the manager thinks we need and what the Chairman will stump up.
Frankley I think Terry Burton should be moved on after he presided over last Summer's transfer debacle.

If Berahino moves onto a big club that won't be a huge issue. TV money is going up too so extra money should be available. I would agree with the above posts about the squad needing a fresh overhaul. As far as the forward players go, I would seriously consider selling all 3.

Saido Berahino (£25m) Brown Ideye (£3-4) and Victor Anichebe (£3-4m) and replace then with:
Benik Afobe (£8-10m?) Troy Deeney (£10m) and Rickie Lambert (£4m) Then you can have Bakary Sako as a winger/4th striker if needed on a free transfer.

That refreshes the forward line with hungry Championship players and a proven experienced pro in Lambert.

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2015, 09:24:55 PM »
If we survive and if Pulis is still here then we need to emerge from the summer with a first XI that works in a Pulis
4-4-2. To that end there should be absolutely no sacred cows and frankly I would be quite happy to unload any of the current squad to get us there but plainly flogging the whole squad is not going to happen.

To recap for Pulisball to work we need a tough uncompromising defence. Two central midfielders who are all rounders with a good engine. A target man and a number 10 combination. Plus a couple of hard working wingers with a bit of skill. We haven't got it and to get it we probably need to get busy this summer   

Near Certain Departures

Wisdom, Pocognoli, Davidson, Gamboa and Dorrans

None of the above have any future under Pulis he  has shown little or no inclination to play them and will be moved on .

Near Certain to be retained

Dawson, Lescott, Foster, Fletcher, McManaman and Gardner

Decisions to be made

Myhill  Olsson McAuley Yacob, Mulmbu, Morrision, Sessègnon, Brunt, Ideye, Berahino Anichebe and  Baird

I don't see all of the above being here nor for that matter all of them leaving but I think there are decisions to be made.

Out of Contract

Baird - out of contract might be retained because of his versatility but I think he is more likely to leave.
McAuley will probably get another year primarily as a back up option.
Myhill club has an option to extend his contract which we will take up unless we can get a replacement who might genuinely push Foster for first choice but with Foster unlikely to be fit for the start of the season I suspect we will keep him
Yacob the club has an option, I'm of the opinion that he is too defensive for a 4-4-2 and with him and Fletcher in the side the whole team sits too deep to be effective, however he has had game time under Pulis so I suspect we might take up the option and he will get some game time when we park the bus away from home

Last year of contract 

Sessègnon I doubt very much he is Pulis's cup of tea he is probably only getting starts because of the absence of an alternative.
Anichebe In theory the big bloke up front but his injury record is terrible
Morrisison Surprised he has featured so heavily for Pulis who I would have though would regard him as too lightweight for Centre Mid but I am sure he would be a candidate to be replaced
Olsson Unfit for most of the season and has made some howlers when he has played,

All of the above could leave and if we are to reshape the squad their wages have to be recycled, the issue will be to find clubs willing to take them off our hands.

Two or more years on contract

Brunt, I don't think Brunt is a natural Pulis type winger but I wouldn't entirely write off his future just yet. Personally if he is not going to be first choice I would move him on but without any takers from elsewhere he will be retained 
Ideye Has shown some form since Christmas and that might be enough to get an offer which recovers our investment so therefore could be sold as he is not the type of forward that would find favour under Pulis but not a natural number 10 either.
Berahino It all depends on whether he signs a new contract but also being deployed as a number 10 which really isn't his best position. Not sure whether pushing him into that role will work long term, might be better off cashing in.
Mulumbu Form has been fitful at best could be moved on but is becoming increasingly a bit part player and I am not sure he will be in demand with other clubs.

Potentially there is a lot of movement over the summer and plainly there is going to be a need to recruit four or five first team regulars but to go beyond that will require us to move a few players on and while the first XI could look very different I think we will be retaining a few experienced pros like Mulumbu almost by default.

This might not be ideal but I think it will take at least two summers to really reshape the squad.



 
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2015, 09:35:08 PM »
Although tv money goes up it also increases for everyone. We have to spend big just to level the playing field a bit. 
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2015, 09:35:27 PM »
It is perfectly clear to all and sundry that a lot of these players need to be moved on now not just for our sake but for many of them the last move of their careers. All very good in theory but hand on heart how many the club to do the right thing ? As a caller said on the radio earlier this summer needs to be backed up with hard cash I'm not sure we will provide the necessary when push comes to shove the old dithering will suffice .

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2015, 09:57:28 PM »
The TV money does not go up to the season after next and in any event it just inflates fees and wages so ultimately we are no better off. Our current wage to turnover ratio is 75% which is why we have to move players on before we can effect any substantial changes to the squad.
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2015, 12:24:03 AM »
I have nothing against TP at all and im glad he took over from irvine...

but i have a worrying feeling he will allow the wrong people to go and replace them with more of what we already have

i mean, pocognoli was on the first team sheet each week and done amazing for us, pulis comes in and we dont see him again yet we see brunt/lescott at LB and olsson straight onto the bench and even getting game time when hes bloody terrible!

why is no one asking TP the question about his terrible defensive choices?! surely he can see how weak lescott is at LB yet he's played him there a few times!

olsson, brunt, morrison to go i say!

brunt and morrison are way too inconsistent, they have to play 5 poor games to have 1 good half.

since olsson has came back, he looks so nervous on the ball. looks like bambi on ice out on that field!


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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2015, 09:18:09 PM »
I think that it's a near certainty the following will leave:

Gamboa
Wisdom
Olsson
Pocognoli
Davidson
Anichebe
Sessegnon
Mulumbu

Possible departures are Baird, Ideye, Yacob and maybe Brunt, but I think he's the most likely to stay, and as a fan of his I hope so. The ones I'd definitely keep are both of the goalies, Lescott, Dawson, McAuley, Fletcher, McManaman, Morrison and Berahino. The only issue is whether we'll be able to hold onto Berahino. Gardner will stay as well I'd have thought.

That leaves us looking for two right backs, one centre back, one/two left backs depending on where Pulis sees Brunt's long-term future, one/two wingers, maybe a central midfielder and two/three strikers depending on  Berahino/Ideye staying and how highly someone like Nabi is rated as a potential fourth striker. 

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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2015, 09:56:18 PM »
I think that it's a near certainty the following will leave:

Gamboa - Sadly he will be gone by August. For some reason TP just doesn't rate him.
Wisdom - Naturally he will leave as he is only on loan but good riddance a poor player.
Olsson - Been a good servant to the club but now is the right time to go
Pocognoli - TP doesn't rate him despite him starting the season well
Davidson - Haven't seen much of him but he will go to save his international career.
Anichebe - to injury prone and simply doesn't score enough goals when he does play.
Sessegnon - Our best midfielder bar Fletcher. I don't understand how we could sell.
Mulumbu - Same view as Olsson.

Possible departures are Baird, Ideye, Yacob and maybe Brunt, but I think he's the most likely to stay, and as a fan of his I hope so. The ones I'd definitely keep are both of the goalies, Lescott, Dawson, McAuley, Fletcher, McManaman, Morrison and Berahino. The only issue is whether we'll be able to hold onto Berahino. Gardner will stay as well I'd have thought.

That leaves us looking for two right backs, one centre back, one/two left backs depending on where Pulis sees Brunt's long-term future, one/two wingers, maybe a central midfielder and two/three strikers depending on  Berahino/Ideye staying and how highly someone like Nabi is rated as a potential fourth striker.

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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2015, 11:35:25 PM »
I'm a huge fan of Sessegnon and would like to keep him, but he just doesn't strike me as being Pulis' type of player, particularly out wide.

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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2015, 03:05:54 AM »
 >:( The Starting 11 for the QPR game....absolutely "gutless" display against a team we should be beating 6-0.....and the "good players"that never get a game and are "specialists" in their positions???

Give the "Kids" a game FFS  Nabi,Rose etc etc.cannot possibly do any worse than the lot we are picking every week!!!!

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2015, 03:10:28 AM »
I think that it's a near certainty the following will leave:

Gamboa
Wisdom
Olsson
Pocognoli
Davidson
Anichebe
Sessegnon
Mulumbu

Possible departures are Baird, Ideye, Yacob and maybe Brunt, but I think he's the most likely to stay, and as a fan of his I hope so. The ones I'd definitely keep are both of the goalies, Lescott, Dawson, McAuley, Fletcher, McManaman, Morrison and Berahino. The only issue is whether we'll be able to hold onto Berahino. Gardner will stay as well I'd have thought.

That leaves us looking for two right backs, one centre back, one/two left backs depending on where Pulis sees Brunt's long-term future, one/two wingers, maybe a central midfielder and two/three strikers depending on  Berahino/Ideye staying and how highly someone like Nabi is rated as a potential fourth striker.

Add Baird and McAuley to the list who has to go. McAuley is too old and Baird not good enough. Morrison hasn't done anything for years so he should go as well. Gardner should go as well, he is just stealing a very hefty salary week in week out. 

Then the list would be:

Gardner
Morrison
McAuley
Baird
Gamboa
Wisdom
Olsson
Pocognoli
Davidson
Anichebe
Sessegnon
Mulumbu

I'd have no problem with that, apart from the singular fact that we don't win games without Sessegnon (when he is not leashed in). Ho hum.  ::)
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