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Lassana Diarra Judgement
« on: October 04, 2024, 09:09:00 PM »
The Diarra judgement has landed the following is the background to the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/sep/29/will-the-lassana-diarra-case-bring-down-transfer-market-as-we-know-it

The outcome is that the current rules governing international transfers were found to be breach of the rules of freedom movement. The judgement stipulates that each member states labour laws govern player contracts. There  is an acceptance that there needs to be some restraint in free movement to facilitate some sort of squad continuity during the season but aside from that transfers as we know them are pretty much over.

Obviously the UK is not an EU member but without the umbrella of the FIFA regulations the default would be breach of contract case and that carries a maximum value of the contract i.e. the players wages for the unexpired term of their contract, which is a fraction of the fees that are currently the norm.

It is an absolute bombshell of a judgement.   
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Re: Lassana Diarra Judgement
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2024, 10:03:51 PM »
Every report I’ve read has included the word “ some “ as in some transfers , some clubs etc etc 
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Re: Lassana Diarra Judgement
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2024, 10:05:50 PM »
The Diarra judgement has landed the following is the background to the case.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/sep/29/will-the-lassana-diarra-case-bring-down-transfer-market-as-we-know-it

The outcome is that the current rules governing international transfers were found to be breach of the rules of freedom movement. The judgement stipulates that each member states labour laws govern player contracts. There  is an acceptance that there needs to be some restraint in free movement to facilitate some sort of squad continuity during the season but aside from that transfers as we know them are pretty much over.

Obviously the UK is not an EU member but without the umbrella of the FIFA regulations the default would be breach of contract case and that carries a maximum value of the contract i.e. the players wages for the unexpired term of their contract, which is a fraction of the fees that are currently the norm.

It is an absolute bombshell of a judgement.   
It came about as result of Diarra looking to leave his club whilst owing them some money . A Belgian club were willing to sign him until they discovered they’d be liable  for some of the players debt
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Re: Lassana Diarra Judgement
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2024, 10:15:36 PM »
I never know how to take these rulings - it isnt helped by the fact that they are often written using legal phrasing and jargon, is compounded by them being the decision of one court covering one jurisdiction and then explained by sports journalists who have a decent but incomplete understanding of what the outcomes mean in practice.

I still dont really understand what the several different super league court rulings actually decided.

It does sound like this opens the door for the end of the transfer system as we know it, but equally the Diarra case was fairly unique and unusual so would a more conventional transfer result in the same ruling?
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Re: Lassana Diarra Judgement
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2024, 02:34:09 AM »
Football exists in it's own legal eco system which has a hierarchy of clubs, national federations, continental federations and ultimately FIFA. There is  a dispute resolution process with the ultimate arbiter being CAS. Providing all parties operate and co-operate within that eco system there is no need for any other authority to be involved unless the activity concerned could be deemed as criminal e.g. match fixing.

As such football has it's own unique set of rules which are transnational. This does not mean that clubs aren't subject to the jurisdiction of the courts in the country they operate within but unless someone seeks redress through those courts the football rule book stands. However as soon as there is a challenge particularly in Europe (and that does include non-EU countries) the rules are very quickly exposed as being unfair to employees, e.g. Bosman and pretty much every case that has gone to an employment tribunal in the UK.

If the football authorities want to maintain legal hegemony over the game they cannot afford not to iron out a settlement within it's own system. Finding Diarra liable for the transfer fee in this dispute was madness and would obviously be challenged in a real world court. The problem is not the specifics of the case but the broader implications of restraint of trade and freedom of movement, this is where the genie escapes from the bottle.

FIFA are belatedly amending their rule book which addresses the issue of players whose contracts are terminated being held liable for any transfer fee associated with the contract i.e. fixing the specifics of the case. This is unfortunately closing the stable door after the horse has bolted and this particular horse is now grazing in very green pastures and is disinclined to return to the stable.

The problem for the football authorities is that courts have this rather annoying habit of looking at legal principle and not viewing an issue through the uniquely Alice in Wonderland lens of football. The courts have decided that footballers are employees like the rest of us and are able to change employers without a transfer fee over and above the remedy for breach of contract. The court acknowledge the need to ensure continuity of squads during competitions but was clear the current rules go way beyond that.

FIFA are confident that it hasn't blown up their rule book. Frankly I wouldn't set a whole lot of store by that as they are the same bunch of idiots that didn't settle the case in the first place.

I have come to this view based on wading through legal writers take on the case rather than that of the sports journalists.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2024, 09:25:21 AM »
In the real world a person signs a contract with a company which includes a notice period - often effectively waived on the employee's part.  The new employee might get a welcome bonus and after a year a loyalty bonus for the next year which as part of their contract they must return if they up and leave.  The contract might include a probation period in which the employer must prove that he is as good as he claimed he was on his cv  - proposed legislation might change this.  But leave they can and the company or its trade association has no ability to prevent them.  Thus seems to be pulling football into line with the real world.

I think the ruling will certainly reduce the ludicrous amounts of money that clubs pay for player transfers which are based on the player being their property for the term of the contract?
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