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Rugby World Cup 2023
« on: August 28, 2023, 07:50:54 AM »
There should be enough comment around this event to justify it's own space. Kicks off Friday 8th September with France v New Zealand.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2023, 08:02:17 AM »
A couple of attention grabbing performances by Fiji and Samoa this weekend. The likes of Fiji and Samoa are almost certainly benefitting the most, rightly so, from the new law allowing players to switch countries 3 years after playing for another country, provided they meet qualification rules.

The law was brought in in January 2022 -  'a player will be able to represent a different country after a stand-down period of three years. A player can move to a nation of their, their parents' or grandparents' birth, but can only switch allegiance once'.

This rule was aimed at especially benefitting the Pacific nations as for many years their top talent has been plucked at young ages by the tier 1 giants especially NZ and Australia. The rule means that if these players fall out of favour with the 'new country' they can revert back to their country of nationality. I'm not sure how many cases there are of this to date but I suspect it's now kicking in with the Pacific Island nations.
Wales have one example in their squad in Henry Thomas who has played 7 times for England but has now switched to Wales on the grounds of his father being Welsh. Scotland have at least 1 example. I'm less keen on this type of switch but the rule should rightly benefit the pacific island nations most as they've been preyed on for too long.....even if it will cause many more challenging days for the traditional rugby 'powers'.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2023, 09:34:30 AM »
Tonga seem to be the biggest beneficery, although they have subsequently left out players like Israel Folau and I can't say the players have made much of a difference so far.

A good rule change though, a rae decision to benefit those outside tier 1. All we need now is for a side from Georgia to get a place in the URC and a bit more care given to Japan and the other developing nations.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2023, 06:04:30 PM »
Got a weekend over for this.

Heading to New Zealand v Namibia, Ireland v Tonga & England v Japan

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2023, 07:04:07 PM »
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2023, 10:52:37 PM »
Rugby World Cup week, time for the countdown.

It promises to be arguably the best world cup of all time. Thanks to the lop-sided draw, 3 of the 4 groups have real jeapordy, while the quarter finals will also provide us with 4 impossible to call games (the semi finals may prove to be more lop sided but then anything can happen).

For those looking for a quick guide, I've done my best.

Pool A:
Starts the tournament with a bang on Friday night, hosts France vs the famous All Blacks. Sadly, that's where Group A peaks. Of the 10 games in the group, there are only 2 where the result isn't already near certain. Italy will beat Namibia and Uruguay, but lose to New Zealand and France, the game at the end of the month between Namibia v Uruguay to avoid the wooden spoon is the only other intriguing match up. Hopefully Namibia can get their first ever world cup win.

Pool B:
Group of death. 3 of the top 5 teams in the world competing for 2 spots. Ireland world number 1, but famous for under performing at world cups. A South African Springbocks team that looked formidable vs New Zealand last week. A Scotland team who on their day are now a match for anyone. Throw in a Tonga side benefitting from the relaxation of player eligibility rules and the Moana Pa ifica club side, while they have flattered to deceive in the warm ups, they may get better as the tournament goes on and will target the Scotland game as their biggest hope for a shock. A special mention for Romania, who if people I follow on twitter are to be believed, may well be playing in their final world cup before fading away as a rugby nation. I'd love them to get a plucky win vs Tonga and maybe remind Romanians that they can be good at the sport.

Pool C:
It would 100% be the most exciting group if it didn't feel like it came out at every tournament (Wales Fiji have been paired together for the last 4, Wales Australia Fiji for the last 3 and now Wales, Australia, Fiji and Georgia twice on the trot). Even then, this time it feels different. Fiji go into the tournament as the highest ranking team. A win vs England wasn't a fluke, the Fijian Drua club side now play in the Southern Hemisphere Super Rugby Championship, helping the all round game of the national team. Throw them in vs  an experimental and struggling Aussie side and a Wales side who don't look any better and they could easily top the group and get a favourable quarter final. You then have a Georgia side who have beaten Wales in the last year or so, who some believe could actually topple the Aussies and potentially challenege for 2nd place. Is it possible for Fiji and Georgia to go through? Portugal finish off the group, plucky, but likely to be cannon fodder.

Pool D;
England are so, so lucky to get this group, yet even this might not be enough. Argentina look odds on to beat us on Saturday. We will get past debutants Chile and we are facing Japan at the right time (they aren't the side of 4 or 8 years ago), but Samoa are possibly on the road back to being the side of 20 years ago. They are benefitting from the Moana Pacifica club side in super rugby and there seems to be less upheaval at home. That final group game vs England looks likely to be the 2nd place decider and their players will have gelled together by then with the home grown talent and the 2nd gen Kiwis and Aussies who have recently joined the side.

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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2023, 11:00:12 PM »
What's everyone's predictions then a week out? I'll put my neck on the line.

Pool A - France top, New Zeland 2nd
Pool B - South Africa top, Ireland 2nd
Pool C - Wales top, Fiji 2nd (it could just as easily be Australia, Georgia on points difference, I doubt any sides goes undefeated)
Pool D - Argentina top, England 2nd - just

Quarter finals Wales beat England, New Zealand beat South Africa, Argentina beat Fiji and France beat Ireland

Semi finals New Zealand beat Wales, France beat Argentina

France beat New Zealand in the final

All that said, Ireland have been proving everyone wrong for 2 years now, it's only.thw leasure getting to them that I'm banking on at the moment. They were amazingly calm in the 6 nations though, if they top their group then maybe it will be them vs France in the final.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2023, 11:03:47 PM »
As a born & bred proud Englishman i obviously support England, i have Welsh heritage somewhere down the line and i love to watch Wale's pure rugby, however my wife, born n bred in England with Irish heritage, this is how i see this WC
England - no chance
Wales - no chance
Ireland - Champions
So in a way i cant lose, but....
I would love to see a rampant Irish team as world champions, itd be great for world rugby

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2023, 09:05:20 AM »
England probably the weakest they have ever been as a team
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2023, 09:54:55 AM »
For me, at least one of Wales and England don't get out the group - and spunk their chance at the easy half of the draw.

Also not sure France are as strong as suggested. I think they peaked in 2022 6N's, then have lost Ntamack to injury who is a big player for them, and most recently brought in this guy who supposedly did a racially motivated attack a few years back which has created a lot of media attention.
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« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2023, 10:42:31 AM »
Cant see England getting out of the group, kept Eddie Jones in the job far too long and theyre full of big time Charlies now with places almost guaranteed{where have I seen that before ;D}
Steve Borthwick, not long enough in the job, but is he strong enough to make the big calls required?
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2023, 08:01:43 PM »
Hoping that Baggies predictions are correct as far as Wales getting to the semis goes  :)
The draw is top-heavy with the top half containing the current top 5 in the rankings but it does mean there are some crunch games from the first weekend.
France being injury affected and NZ's recent form being very variable makes Friday's opener tough to predict. I go for NZ to edge it but whatever happens Friday both teams should emerge from that group without much trouble.
Sunday is a big day with South Africa v Scotland and Wales v Fiji. South Africa should eventually prove too strong for Scotland.
The current world rankings in Group D show Fiji ranked 7, Australia 9, Wales 10, Georgia 11 so it's definitely the other group to keep an eye on. It'll be a nervy watch (again) no doubt but with a fully fit squad and under maybe less pressure than in the past against Fiji I'm hoping Wales can edge it.
I'm sticking with South Africa to win the whole thing even though they'll have to do it the hard way by getting out of the toughest group and almost certainly needing to beat either France or NZ in the quarters.
 
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2023, 03:11:55 AM »
Hoping that Baggies predictions are correct as far as Wales getting to the semis goes  :)
The draw is top-heavy with the top half containing the current top 5 in the rankings but it does mean there are some crunch games from the first weekend.
France being injury affected and NZ's recent form being very variable makes Friday's opener tough to predict. I go for NZ to edge it but whatever happens Friday both teams should emerge from that group without much trouble.
Sunday is a big day with South Africa v Scotland and Wales v Fiji. South Africa should eventually prove too strong for Scotland.
The current world rankings in Group D show Fiji ranked 7, Australia 9, Wales 10, Georgia 11 so it's definitely the other group to keep an eye on. It'll be a nervy watch (again) no doubt but with a fully fit squad and under maybe less pressure than in the past against Fiji I'm hoping Wales can edge it.
I'm sticking with South Africa to win the whole thing even though they'll have to do it the hard way by getting out of the toughest group and almost certainly needing to beat either France or NZ in the quarters.

Think england Scotland and Wales have good chance to go out in group stages. Not sure what odds you would get on all 3.

I watched the boks v all blacks at Twickenham the other week. South African power is ridiculous and they caused new Zealand alot of issues. However the all blacks played about half the game with 14 and and a further 10 mins with 13. But anyway when the all blacks started fizzing the ball around even when down men they looked very good. I said to my old man we are watching the future world Champs tonight.

The French when play fast ball are very good and arguably have the best scrum half in the world and have frightening speed. The thing with the world cup is the games come thick and fast injuries will happen as will fatigue so you never know. Fancy Argentina to get quite far being on the "kinder" side of the draw
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2023, 06:48:56 PM »
Think england Scotland and Wales have good chance to go out in group stages. Not sure what odds you would get on all 3.

I watched the boks v all blacks at Twickenham the other week. South African power is ridiculous and they caused new Zealand alot of issues. However the all blacks played about half the game with 14 and and a further 10 mins with 13. But anyway when the all blacks started fizzing the ball around even when down men they looked very good. I said to my old man we are watching the future world Champs tonight.

The French when play fast ball are very good and arguably have the best scrum half in the world and have frightening speed. The thing with the world cup is the games come thick and fast injuries will happen as will fatigue so you never know. Fancy Argentina to get quite far being on the "kinder" side of the draw
Yes it's not that hard to picture all 3 of Wales, Scotland, England going out in the groups. Scotland and Wales are 3rd ranked in their groups in terms of current world rankings. England would have the most cause for embarrassment if they failed to get through but we know they are anything but settled.
I think the games are better spaced in this competition to be fair. I haven't studied the fixture dates in detail but I know the Wales games are quite well spread. I think they have taken player welfare into account a bit more. It can never be perfect, the shortest turnaround is 6 days I think between quarter and semi-finals.
Saying that injuries will certainly happen...and there will be red card controversies. 6 days is a short turn-around but when you get to the later stages there needs to be some continuity to the tournament.
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Re: Rugby World Cup 2023
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2023, 06:42:28 AM »
Fiji's first choice gly half Caleb Muntz out of the tournament with injury. Awful news, many were banking in Fiji lighting up the tournament. That just got a little bit harder
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« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2023, 03:41:03 PM »
Why is this England team so bad?

Four years ago they were runners up. Surely the likes of Itoje, Curry, Genge, George, Lawes to name but a few haven’t regressed that badly. Throw in the likes of Underhill, Ludlum, Smith etc then there was the chance to go one better this time.

It feels like a massive fall from grace.
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« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2023, 08:08:29 PM »
Why is this England team so bad?

Four years ago they were runners up. Surely the likes of Itoje, Curry, Genge, George, Lawes to name but a few haven’t regressed that badly. Throw in the likes of Underhill, Ludlum, Smith etc then there was the chance to go one better this time.

It feels like a massive fall from grace.

Kept Eddie Jones too long. Current incumbent hadn't really worked out if he's going to try out and bring through new players or stick with old guard and has done a halfway house and it hasn't really worked. Unfortunately not a good time to be in transition a world cup year
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2023, 04:27:10 PM »
Ireland clumping Romania 75-8.
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2023, 05:05:10 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2023, 08:25:58 PM »
Whoever came up with the choir idea needs guillotining tout de suite.

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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2023, 08:29:12 PM »
England are ****** with these new hyper sensitive tackle rules. We've always been the worst disciplined side in world rugby and it's near enough a red every single game now. Two minutes in today? The Argies lucky to stay with 15 men given the thresholds nowadays, unsure what mitigation there was given our red card, but it is telling that most sides are still managing to keep 15 players on the pitch while we last 2 minutes.

I have a lot of time for Kevin Sinfield, but I don't see what he is bringing to this set up as defence coach.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2023, 09:06:28 PM »
George Ford taking it back to 2003 to get us in front at half time. Impressive stuff
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2023, 10:07:58 PM »
The best performance of the Borthwick era and the best performance by George Ford in an England shirt, weird given he was third choice fly half not that long ago. Getting 27 points on the trot after going down to 14 men takes some doing. As soon as I post that Sinfield as the defence coach wasn't working, our defence then looked sensational. The only downside was that we didn't score a try and everything once again came from.the boot, but beggars can't be choosers.

We beat the pre game favourites with 14 men and now have 1 foot in the Quarter Finals. Ford has to keep his place there now and its difficult to make a case for Farrell coming back in at centre.

The Argentina vs Samoa game all of a sudden becomes the big decider.
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2023, 10:59:49 PM »
Well if i had a hat id take it off for england tonight
Ive written them off as we all did, but that was a historic game for me, a man down for 85 mins against a higher ranked team, we thrashed them tonight, i wont carried away but magic tonight from England

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2023, 04:23:36 AM »
I mean all Borthwick said pre tournament was we'll be ready for September 9th.

It felt like hearsay with some of the most disjointed performances I've seen from a talented sports team in a long time.

But fair play they turned up last night - just have to hope that wasn't an early peak, but they executed game plan very well.