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Re: What has happened to our support for OUR players
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2015, 03:26:33 PM »
I attended the game last night, first game this season and I thought the atmosphere was much improved on previous matches I attended last year. I do not agree with the booing of olsson, Everton had nothing up until he went off. One misplaced pass does not deserve hate.

Although I disagree with the OP with Lukaku, nothing wrong with some applause. He may have only been here for a season but he has always treated the club with respect and he genuinely is grateful to us for giving him the chance to shine in the prem.


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« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2015, 02:44:32 PM »
Whats happened to the players signing autographs whilst warming up, the respect on both sides went long ago
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2015, 02:11:52 PM »
Lukaku had a great season for us and was gracious when he left. I sure he'll do the same at Everton  If Berahino had acted in the same manner not a problem.  These aren't "Gods" these are footballers that get paid a king ransom. I tend to save my worship for the likes of Paramedics who answer emergency calls in the middle of night. Anyway back to football we had thrown away a 2 goal lead playin the only way it seems the manager knows how too. Brunt's not a natural Left Back that's the fault of Pulis who both time and money to fix that and chose not to. Olsson's appearances have been rare recently. He simply didn't do his job

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2015, 03:38:35 PM »
they should not be treated like gods!! at best they are average footballers.

Average footballers maybe but players that have given great service to our club and deserve a little bit more respect I feel.

people go on about the old days and how good we were and thats fantastic but football has changed and we will never have a player of any real top class ability for long if it all..

A lot of footballers are average these days its not just our club that has them.

Surely we still hold in high regard players that give us great service and give the majority of their careers to us?? If we cant do that now well that just shows how fickle football fans are......we only like footballers who are outstandingly good...the rest are just their too make up the numbers but the looks of it

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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2015, 05:00:46 PM »
Being held in high regard isn't difficult for a player to do, Saido has never been liked and it's not down to the fact we know he won't be here for long I'm sure I speak for a lot of us in saying we would like him to leave and do well like Maresca for example, Scharner is another great example who showed respect and had it back.... Bottom line is if you've been here for one year or ten if you give your all and show respect you will have it back, act like a petulant child or billy big balls and you won't.

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« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2015, 11:30:59 PM »
Remember in the early 00s when before kick off at every home game, the fans would sing through the majority of the players names to get them fired up. Normally the players would respond by applauding the crowd etc.

Don't get that any more.
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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2015, 06:10:08 AM »
When I was a kid you would see the likes of Asa Hartford, Brian Robson, Derek Statham and the likes in the Sandwell Centre. They used to buy their suits and other clothing from the shops in the Sandwell Centre.
Brian Robson used to help run the Four in Hand Football Club (now a Mc Donalds), Len Cantello would have a drink in the Spinney, other players would turn up at local pubs on charity nights.
Now they all live in gated communities and are isolated from every day life by the status of 'Professional Footballer.'
I think a more pertinent question is, What has happened to the connection between our players and our fans?
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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2015, 07:58:43 AM »
Remember in the early 00s when before kick off at every home game, the fans would sing through the majority of the players names to get them fired up. Normally the players would respond by applauding the crowd etc.

Don't get that any more.

Early 00s?

Bloody hell mate that went in long before 00s. We used to sing the names back in the 70s & 80s.
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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2015, 07:04:00 PM »
Olson, brunt and Morrison are gods. Lukaku is a reminder what could have been if we had shown some fu*king gumption and bought him.

Excellent comment...
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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2015, 07:07:05 PM »
Can't believe how naive people are to believe Lukaku would have entertained the idea of signing a 5 year contract here, us paying anywhere near the £5m loan fee then a year later, the £28m transfer fee and £100k a week wages Everton have had to shell out.

I agree on the face of it thats a reasonable comment...but when you consider the money we have wasted on 3rd and 4th rate players, your argument loses it's validity.
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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2015, 07:12:48 PM »
Early 00s?

Bloody hell mate that went in long before 00s. We used to sing the names back in the 70s & 80s.

That's a maybe, but my years don't stretch back that far  ;D
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2015, 09:56:55 PM »
When I was a kid you would see the likes of Asa Hartford, Brian Robson, Derek Statham and the likes in the Sandwell Centre. They used to buy their suits and other clothing from the shops in the Sandwell Centre.
Brian Robson used to help run the Four in Hand Football Club (now a Mc Donalds), Len Cantello would have a drink in the Spinney, other players would turn up at local pubs on charity nights.
Now they all live in gated communities and are isolated from every day life by the status of 'Professional Footballer.'
I think a more pertinent question is, What has happened to the connection between our players and our fans?
Dont think its just our club i suspect most like minded supporter will say the same. Oh and i remember Astle singing in The Broadstone  pre karaoke !!
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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2015, 10:25:25 PM »
Olson, brunt and Morrison are gods. Lukaku is a reminder what could have been if we had shown some fu*king gumption and bought him.

We could never afford Lukaku! He was always a player that we needed to just enjoy while he was here we simply couldn't afford his fee nor his wage.

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« Reply #38 on: October 11, 2015, 11:08:20 PM »
What has always annoyed me is the treatment of Brunt, which has improved lately but over the years he's been treated awfully by some of our fans. In my opinion, he's always tried the hardest, is constantly working on the pitch and has the perfect attitude.
Sometimes the quality isn't there, but that's not his fault. And yet at times, he gets jeered and has even been booed in the past which is disgraceful.
This is a player whose been here nearly 10 years and at his peak could have left us for a higher club.

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« Reply #39 on: October 12, 2015, 11:52:55 AM »
What has always annoyed me is the treatment of Brunt, which has improved lately but over the years he's been treated awfully by some of our fans. In my opinion, he's always tried the hardest, is constantly working on the pitch and has the perfect attitude.
Sometimes the quality isn't there, but that's not his fault. And yet at times, he gets jeered and has even been booed in the past which is disgraceful.
This is a player whose been here nearly 10 years and at his peak could have left us for a higher club.

I have a contrary view, there have been times when CB has looked lazy, dis-interested and un-committed, as a squad player its far from ideal but when he became captain and was "apparently" the same it was unacceptable IMO.

The classic CB routine of, "lose the ball, hop, shrug shoulders, head droops forward, pirouette and run back head down"  yes, I accept its about interpretation of body language, but when your captain is doing this it had to have an effect on the others!

I'm sure CB was as frustrated as we were too.

Anyway in the past now, thankfully and generally CB has been a far better LB than he was L-MF in recent times, so he deserves credit for doing this for the club / team.

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« Reply #40 on: October 12, 2015, 01:42:23 PM »
It comes down to the level of expectancy same as life if it is not what you had hoped or imagined then you will be disappointed.

Fans like myself get down because it is our sixth season in the league and we still struggle to pass the ball 5 yards as well as not having the go nads to hold a lead.

Add the many factors of ticket pricing, lack of atmosphere,  negative tactics etc to the list and well it's enough to make anyone depressed if you think about it long enough.

People keep saying the old days were great fun but that's because we was pants and took it for what it is I can only speak of the championship but even then we had a mixed back some of which were poor players.

Cup competitions is a huge disappointment for me we have no ambition to win a trophy and as a 24 year old that truthfully sucks to know I will never see the day.

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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2015, 02:46:29 PM »
The world has changed and our support with it!

We look back on the dark days of Gould / Smith / Buckley,  Grimsby / Hartlepool and Woking with a sort of perverted affection, because we lived through it and came out the other side into a "brave new world".

Now we have been in the brave new world for long enough we can see that its a bit like that Jim Carrie film "The Truman Show"  Smoke and Mirrors, Glitz and falsehoods all to give the illusion to viewers around the planet that,
 
"the show is great, we all love it, it is all consuming and without fault" To quote the truman show It's all true. It’s all real. Nothing here is fake. Nothing you see on this show is fake. It’s merely controlled

Sadly the cast (which includes us the fans) can see the paint peeling, the duplicity and lies and corruption, We feel robbed of our history & tribal bonds but to the "controllers" its ok as long as the viewers keeping tuning in and paying their fees!

Will we do a Truman and rip up the script?  nah, not a chance, the time is soon approaching when those who remember  Grimsby et al will be few and the younger fans through no fault of theirs will know no better ! 

Thats when the controllers will truly have won and will be day that football died
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« Reply #42 on: October 13, 2015, 04:23:24 PM »
I take a slightly different view.  15 years ago there was hope, upside, a reason to believe that tomorrow will be better than today. We might reach the play offs, we might reach Wembley, we might reach the Championship, we might beat W*lves to the Premiership promised land. In the Premiership we might one day beat V*lla, even hold Man U to a draw.

Today we have achieved all of this and more. We really only have more of the same or downside. There is no realistic upside apart from winning a cup.  The only mystery each season is which side of the 18th place line we will fall on.

That's what takes the magic away for me...

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« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2015, 04:36:43 PM »
I take a slightly different view.  15 years ago there was hope, upside, a reason to believe that tomorrow will be better than today. We might reach the play offs, we might reach Wembley, we might reach the Championship, we might beat W*lves to the Premiership promised land. In the Premiership we might one day beat V*lla, even hold Man U to a draw.

Today we have achieved all of this and more. We really only have more of the same or downside. There is no realistic upside apart from winning a cup.  The only mystery each season is which side of the 18th place line we will fall on.

That's what takes the magic away for me...

i can't argue with that sentiment Stox, I guess its a bit of both for me,
A lack of anything to aspire to and the cynicism of the modern game.
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« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2015, 05:30:45 PM »
The world has changed and our support with it!

We look back on the dark days of Gould / Smith / Buckley,  Grimsby / Hartlepool and Woking with a sort of perverted affection, because we lived through it and came out the other side into a "brave new world".

Now we have been in the brave new world for long enough we can see that its a bit like that Jim Carrie film "The Truman Show"  Smoke and Mirrors, Glitz and falsehoods all to give the illusion to viewers around the planet that,
 
"the show is great, we all love it, it is all consuming and without fault" To quote the truman show It's all true. It’s all real. Nothing here is fake. Nothing you see on this show is fake. It’s merely controlled

Sadly the cast (which includes us the fans) can see the paint peeling, the duplicity and lies and corruption, We feel robbed of our history & tribal bonds but to the "controllers" its ok as long as the viewers keeping tuning in and paying their fees!

Will we do a Truman and rip up the script?  nah, not a chance, the time is soon approaching when those who remember  Grimsby et al will be few and the younger fans through no fault of theirs will know no better ! 

Thats when the controllers will truly have won and will be day that football died

Great post Albionic - I love the passion which seems sadly lacking nowadays.

Stats have always been a part of the game but the ridiculous amount of number crunching that goes on both inside and outside of the game itself has created a machine not a sport.  Playing the percentages and focusing on the bottom line has brought a certain stability to our culture but has also replaced its heart with one made of plastic.
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« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2015, 01:34:58 PM »
First of all I'd state the view that the Albion support still compares favourably with support given to other clubs at this level.

Also I'd say the support we had in the last two away matches against Villa was really outstanding.

Appreciate everyone gets a bit fired up for the local matches, but the vocal and positive support for the club is there.

Inevitably in all aspects of life, those with the most negative attitudes seem to "shout the loudest" whether it be on forums / social media or at the matches when things don't go well.

Reading the various online Albion sites over the past three weeks would lead many neutrals to believe there's some kind of crisis at the Albion (with all the hand wringing angst ridden over the top doom and gloom), and I sometimes wonder if there's an element of attention seeking with some who like to talk up temporary issues, and set backs, simply in order to get the focus on themselves and their righteousness, whether it be in their exaggerated concern or their tedious "suicide notes" as to why "I aye goin' up there again" for whatever reason is applicable at present (reasons generally subject to change, week by week).

As to improving the atmosphere and support, then that's up to all of us isn't it?

We have all the rose tinted memories of past era's being regurgitated. I was there, and there were some great times, but let's not forget mass protests against former Chairmen, supporters refusing to leave the BRE after the 3-2 against Swansea (Gould era) or supporters kicking the Halfords Lane doors in frustration and anger after the 5-1 against Crewe, and going back further, crowds of around 8000 in the stadium and the club seemingly on the way to financial oblivion.

But there's generally 22000 Albion fans at The Hawthorns, and if we want to make the support better, then we can, and maybe get back to actually supporting the club itself, rather than the fixation on formations, tactics and individuals.

The present Albion hierarchy and management team are only temporary custodians, and personally I think they're generally OK and doing a decent job under difficult circumstances.

But we as supporters are, for the most part, in it for life (with the exception of those looking to jump ship whenever their sensitivities are rattled) and surely it's not just about the team itself (though clearly that IS important) but also what happens off the pitch, the atmosphere we create and the reputation we can gain as a good set of supporters with The Hawthorns being a lively place to visit.

I just feel some of our support need to get a sense of perspective, chill out a bit (try leaving the car at home and get a few beers down you pre-match) and focus on creating a good atmosphere on Saturday, and support the club to get back on track after the disapointments of the past 3 matches, rather than turning up and just jumping on any player making an error and generally sitting their with a miserable attitude, feeling sorry for themselves and with a face like a slapped backside.

It's a tough league unfortunately, and not always easy for clubs like Albion, and that's the way it is and until the good fairy sprinkles some magic dust on The Hawthorns to give us this football fantasy world that some expect, then it's unlikely to change and we're going to have dodgy spells.

Just my own thoughts on the present situation.......... ;)

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« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2015, 02:14:44 PM »

Just my own thoughts on the present situation.......... ;)

And much appreciated  :) another great post!
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« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2015, 02:24:06 PM »
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Just my own thoughts on the present situation.......... ;)

And its perfectly logical, good post mate,
Different perspective to mine, but that is what discussions all about, innit !
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« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2015, 02:26:34 PM »
our support will fall to 22k within months
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« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2015, 03:00:16 PM »
I've been watching the Albion since 1975 and other than big games has our support ever been regularly more than the 22k mark??
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