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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #275 on: September 29, 2015, 01:37:54 AM »
I think people are being harsh on Rondon. His touch deserted him but he still makes very smart runs and creates a lot of space for Saido (see first goal). We still don't use his strengths at all though, every ball is chest high, never to his feet. His confidence is low at the moment and he still looks a threat.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but I think it was a massive error of judgment not to bring on Big Vic for Rondon. Especially when our last 20 consisted of pumping it long and hoping Saido could pull of a miracle.

The sad thing is, that that's probably the last entertaining game we'll see given TP will no doubt put the loss down to not being 'compact' enough.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #276 on: September 29, 2015, 04:16:20 AM »
Their substitutions helped them win the game, ours conspired us to lose it, Jonas could not be helped but really Gardner is truly appalling and Lambert seems to have a distinct lack of interest in being here. TP talked about making mistakes in the transfer market, maybe his way of saying he f...... up buying Chester, at 5' 9in he is a midget of a defender in a normal TP team, their first goal completely changed the game.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #277 on: September 29, 2015, 06:13:30 AM »
Well we managed to snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory.
For anybody wondering why Chester hasn't been playing I think last night you saw why.
We were in total command for 54 minutes as soon as Lukaku scored we went into ourselves.
Thought McClean had his best game in an Albion shirt.
Re-organisation of the defence, Lambert and Gardner substitutions cost us.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #278 on: September 29, 2015, 07:39:12 AM »
I think Pulis bottled that a bit. The minute they scored directly after our second, he didn't attempt to wrest the momentum back from them, and tried shutting up shop.

If we'd had either Ollson of Gmac on it might have worked, Better in the air that Chester or Dawson, and their positioning is a lot better, which would have allowed us to keep a more solid, rigid shape.

However we lacked height, and the minute Delofeu began to get on the ball, we got punished. It's all very well sitting deep behind the ball when teams don't have the quality to open you up - but when teams have players like lukaku, barkley and delofeu, they can and will.

I'm not going to die in a ditch about this one, obviously gutted we threw away a 2 goal lead, but these things happen once every now and then.

Rondon needs a goal, Myhill was poor for their second I thought, and Gardner, well, I just don't even care what he does anymore.


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Re: Match Officials
« Reply #279 on: September 29, 2015, 08:23:23 AM »
Thought he had a decent enough game, got the McCarthy decision spot on. At first glance I thought it was a penalty. As for the 'offside' goal, im not so sure it is. His feet are level with Brunt, and I think the benefit of the doubt should go to the attacking player. That said a tough call for the assistant to make.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #280 on: September 29, 2015, 08:24:36 AM »
Well and truly threw that away, absolutely pathetic. Safe to say whenever we are 2-0 up we will bottle it.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #281 on: September 29, 2015, 08:35:55 AM »
Clapping Lukaku? The bloke didn't have any respect for us when he come doing cartwheels in front of us.

Yesterday was disappointing but it all went against us.

I think it's clear Chester and lambert aren't up to it.

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Home games are awful with our fans expectation. Worse than Villa lol

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #282 on: September 29, 2015, 08:45:54 AM »
I think Pulis got the last two subs wrong. If you trying to take the sting out the game you need to bring on a striker who can hold the ball up and run the clock down, ala Anichebe. Instead we leave Berahino upfront who gets brushed off the ball and leads to their 3rd goal.
Letting Mulumbu go was a mistake, think if we had him to bring on instead of Gardner we don't lose that game.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #283 on: September 29, 2015, 08:59:28 AM »
Worst performance he's had in an Albion shirt today. Which is saying something given that 90% of his games for us have been varying degrees of bad. I think he may have achieved the rare feat of losing the ball every single time he got it, and even shirked a few challenges which when he's only in the team purely for effort, is putting him on very dicey ground.

I genuinely don't think he'd be good enough to be starting for half the teams in the championship.
Offers nothing, just jogs around looking busy without actually wanting the ball, attacking the ball or making a tackle (other than his customary cynical one when he's been skinned). Waste of a shirt and an awful decision by TP to bring him on when he did. Oh for a Mulumbu, who can come on and actually make a difference.

Other than that though, it was a surprisingly entertaining game, everyone around me was expecting another bore draw, so it was a welcome surprise to see us having a go. Didn't have the luck or the decisions, but on another night we would have won.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #284 on: September 29, 2015, 09:08:29 AM »
Offers nothing, just jogs around looking busy without actually wanting the ball, attacking the ball or making a tackle (other than his customary cynical one when he's been skinned). Waste of a shirt and an awful decision by TP to bring him on when he did. Oh for a Mulumbu, who can come on and actually make a difference.

Other than that though, it was a surprisingly entertaining game, everyone around me was expecting another bore draw, so it was a welcome surprise to see us having a go. Didn't have the luck or the decisions, but on another night we would have won.


I love the positivity here but I think that's just untrue about winning on another day, We have had problems holding leads for near on 3 years now whatever them problems may be I just can't see them getting fixed anything soon.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #285 on: September 29, 2015, 09:12:29 AM »
Ridiculous last night from Pulis.

Too much messing about with the Centre halves, needless. Taking off Rondon who despite looking tired was pressing defenders well, that was strange . Bringing on the most useless Albion players I've seen in Gardner on . Not reacting to 2-1. The list goes on

Naive from an 'experienced' manager.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #286 on: September 29, 2015, 09:17:22 AM »
I think we were a bit unlucky in the fact that GMac was injured and then Olsson his replacement went off early doors, they are the two defenders we have who can compete with Lukaku for strength.

The worry is that through all our signings (not just Pulis) it still comes back to us needing those two, they have the odd bad game but i think Olsson gets a lot of unfair stick anyway and GMac just is Mr consistent.

What is a worry is that most Premiership clubs now have one dominating centre half, Evans is a class act but he isnt a dominator, the ones we rely on we have had for years and with the way Pulis likes his defenders, it begs the question, why sign Chester? Not writing the bloke off yet as you dont become a bad player overnight and under a different manager he will probably be better, but in no way shape or form does he fit a Pulis defender type.

We played okay last night, similar to Chelsea though when teams hit us on the break, we are knackered, Yacob is good at what he does - breaking up the play, but very limited in pretty much everything else and once somebody goes past him, he is out the game, Fletcher is steady but not the box to box midfielder he once was which again begs the question, why let Mulumbu go or if not sign a box to box midfielder? Yacob and Fletcher are fine away, they do a good job but if one of them gets injured, we have no replacement and our system goes t**s up, where as at home it would be good to have one of Fletcher or Yacob and somebody more energetic and creative paired with them.

Our squad looks very unbalanced at the moment, its too early to say who has been a good signing and who hasnt, but at the time of writing, Evans looks good, Fletcher steady but does offer leadership, McLean and Rondon work hard but dont really add any threat or quality and the rest offer nothing so far.

The next few months will be interesting, i have said in a different post i dont think Pulis will see the season out, but if it was January now and the above signings are still in the same poistions now, ie only really 2 been any good, if i was JP and Pulis came to me asking for more money or putting snippets out about how the summer wasnt enough, i would be asking a lot of questions as to whats happening with the players we have signed because at the moment, we are relying on the old guard who have been here a few years, but as i say, that could all change the next few months.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #287 on: September 29, 2015, 09:29:12 AM »
I think we were a bit unlucky in the fact that GMac was injured and then Olsson his replacement went off early doors, they are the two defenders we have who can compete with Lukaku for strength.

The worry is that through all our signings (not just Pulis) it still comes back to us needing those two, they have the odd bad game but i think Olsson gets a lot of unfair stick anyway and GMac just is Mr consistent.

What is a worry is that most Premiership clubs now have one dominating centre half, Evans is a class act but he isnt a dominator, the ones we rely on we have had for years and with the way Pulis likes his defenders, it begs the question, why sign Chester? Not writing the bloke off yet as you dont become a bad player overnight and under a different manager he will probably be better, but in no way shape or form does he fit a Pulis defender type.

We played okay last night, similar to Chelsea though when teams hit us on the break, we are knackered, Yacob is good at what he does - breaking up the play, but very limited in pretty much everything else and once somebody goes past him, he is out the game, Fletcher is steady but not the box to box midfielder he once was which again begs the question, why let Mulumbu go or if not sign a box to box midfielder? Yacob and Fletcher are fine away, they do a good job but if one of them gets injured, we have no replacement and our system goes t**s up, where as at home it would be good to have one of Fletcher or Yacob and somebody more energetic and creative paired with them.

Our squad looks very unbalanced at the moment, its too early to say who has been a good signing and who hasnt, but at the time of writing, Evans looks good, Fletcher steady but does offer leadership, McLean and Rondon work hard but dont really add any threat or quality and the rest offer nothing so far.

The next few months will be interesting, i have said in a different post i dont think Pulis will see the season out, but if it was January now and the above signings are still in the same poistions now, ie only really 2 been any good, if i was JP and Pulis came to me asking for more money or putting snippets out about how the summer wasnt enough, i would be asking a lot of questions as to whats happening with the players we have signed because at the moment, we are relying on the old guard who have been here a few years, but as i say, that could all change the next few months.

Agreed with every point there, I think January will be when the big fallout happens.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #288 on: September 29, 2015, 09:55:24 AM »
1. Chester - what does he offer?
2. Gardner - what does he offer?
3. Lambert - we know what he offers, why is he playing?
4. Rondon, he is going backwards - why?
5. Why set up to hold a 2-1 with 25 minutes to play?

I would like to hear TP's answers to these questions,.

Whilst the players do have some responsibility, THIS defeat can be laid squarely at TP's door IMO.

I have previously said he deserves this season to establish his squad, I'm starting to wonder if his purchases and tactical gaffes will support this.

On the contrary, he has done a good job with Lescott / Evans / Saido / Fletcher

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #289 on: September 29, 2015, 10:19:28 AM »
home record of 0 wins 1 draw 3 losses says it all - absolutely unacceptable
Pulis are very intelligent and fairly easy to train if you are consistent and kind in your methods. Training should begin right away. Well-trained Pulis excel in agility and obedience.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #290 on: September 29, 2015, 10:21:47 AM »
home record of 0 wins 1 draw 3 losses says it all - absolutely unacceptable

Losses against Chelsea, Man City and Everton.
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #291 on: September 29, 2015, 10:22:15 AM »
home record of 0 wins 1 draw 3 losses says it all - absolutely unacceptable

Alright we got Sunderland soon  :D.

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Re: Score prediction
« Reply #292 on: September 29, 2015, 10:25:21 AM »
just to be different
3-2
gmac, dawson, bera

got the score right, just wrong way around , and got our goalscorers correct, bonus points???
I need something as recompense for last night
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« Reply #293 on: September 29, 2015, 10:49:52 AM »
Be interesting to hear people's thoughts after a decent performance but poor result.
Here goes:

Myhill - 6 - Flatfooted yet again for their 3rd.
Brunt - 7 - Solid performance yet again
Evans - 7 - Looks like a very good signing and coped well with the disruption around the back 4
Olssen - 6 - Looked ok and seems to have finally learnt that 30 yard balls are not his forte.
Dawson - 7 - Looked v good at Right Back but poor at Centre Half
Yacob - 7 - Solid and a bit more controlled in the tackle than usual
Fletcher - 8 - MOTM for me.
McClean - 7 - Best game yet although still a bit of a headless chicken when running with the ball
Morrison - 7 - Solid and composed
Berahino - 7 - Looks hungrier than ever and dare I say it, seems like he wants to please the fans.
Rondon - 6 - Not his best game, but his effort and running can't be faulted.

Gardner - 0 - Genuine zero, offered absolutely nothing
Lambert - 4 - Looks neither fit nor interested
Chester - 4 - Looks a poor signing, real bag of nerves.

As you can probably tell from the above, I believe the substitutions cost us last night so the final rating has to go to the manager:

Pulis - 5 - Good starting line up and approach but bottled it at 2-1

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Re: Attendance Prediction
« Reply #294 on: September 29, 2015, 10:51:57 AM »
25,201 Tipton Baggie
24,971 TheJacko2000
24,799 Signor_Maresca
24,712 Mifos
24,567 Smeth' Dan
24,441 Nathan
24,333 Albionic
24,126 Morany
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Attendance was 24,240 - Albionic close, but nobody within 50
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« Reply #295 on: September 29, 2015, 10:53:35 AM »
Be interesting to hear people's thoughts after a decent performance but poor result.
Here goes:

Myhill - 6 - Flatfooted yet again for their 3rd.
Brunt - 7 - Solid performance yet again
Evans - 7 - Looks like a very good signing and coped well with the disruption around the back 4
Olssen - 6 - Looked ok and seems to have finally learnt that 30 yard balls are not his forte.
Dawson - 7 - Looked v good at Right Back but poor at Centre Half
Yacob - 7 - Solid and a bit more controlled in the tackle than usual
Fletcher - 8 - MOTM for me.
McClean - 7 - Best game yet although still a bit of a headless chicken when running with the ball
Morrison - 7 - Solid and composed
Berahino - 7 - Looks hungrier than ever and dare I say it, seems like he wants to please the fans.
Rondon - 6 - Not his best game, but his effort and running can't be faulted.

Gardner - 0 - Genuine zero, offered absolutely nothing
Lambert - 4 - Looks neither fit nor interested
Chester - 4 - Looks a poor signing, real bag of nerves.

As you can probably tell from the above, I believe the substitutions cost us last night so the final rating has to go to the manager:

Pulis - 5 - Good starting line up and approach but bottled it at 2-1

Brunt was poor last night I thought. Failed to stop numerous crosses and played them on for one of the goals.

Morrision I thought was very poor, he looked lost in the middle and seemed reluctant to push on.
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Re: Attendance Prediction
« Reply #296 on: September 29, 2015, 11:20:00 AM »
Was a good crowd there last night.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #297 on: September 29, 2015, 11:59:12 AM »
1. Chester - what does he offer?
2. Gardner - what does he offer?
3. Lambert - we know what he offers, why is he playing?
4. Rondon, he is going backwards - why?
5. Why set up to hold a 2-1 with 25 minutes to play?

I would like to hear TP's answers to these questions,.

Whilst the players do have some responsibility, THIS defeat can be laid squarely at TP's door IMO.

Can I offer No 6...Pulis - What does he offer?

He is totally to blame for lasts night debacle.....

I have previously said he deserves this season to establish his squad, I'm starting to wonder if his purchases and tactical gaffes will support this.

On the contrary, he has done a good job with Lescott / Evans / Saido / Fletcher
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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #298 on: September 29, 2015, 12:05:12 PM »
Losses against Chelsea, Man City and Everton.

Which then puts massive pressure on us to win our other games. I hate this argument of expect to lose against the big team.

If we do go on to beat every team we expect to beat at home then fair enough but in our good seasons we beat the likes of Chelsea and Everton at home.

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Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #299 on: September 29, 2015, 12:19:10 PM »
When Pulis took off Rondon we needed an outlet someone who can hold the ball up and take the pressure off the defence. Craig Gardner is not an outlet, needed Vic and McManaman to put pressure on their defence. Very poor decision making by TP.