[ashdoy]

I'd like this to stay off "I hate Berahino" etc etc firstly;

Are us Albion fans not slightly concerned that again we have a player speaking ill of the club?

We had Odemwingie, George Thorne, Berahino and a couple others all speaking very negatively about us and what goes on behind the scenes

Does anyone think we potentially could have a bad name within the game if this continues?

[The Black Pearl]

I'd like this to stay off "I hate Berahino" etc etc firstly;

Are us Albion fans not slightly concerned that again we have a player speaking ill of the club?

We had Odemwingie, George Thorne, Berahino and a couple others all speaking very negatively about us and what goes on behind the scenes

Does anyone think we potentially could have a bad name within the game if this continues?

Players seem to forget they sign contracts, that means they get paid for a set period even if they never play a game through injury (Thorne) or poor form.

Contracts cut two ways, players seem to forget that!

By the way, have a read of your own signature!

[OldburyWBA]

I think players maybe given an inkling they will be allowed to go if a club meets what we want, if they don't and the deal fails then the buying club needs to be looked at.

[kris_boing]

What club in the right mind would accept a down payment of £5mil for a young Premier League striker who scored 15 goals last season and is on the verge of the England squad?


Berahino isn't happy with that tough s***.  I'm no fan of Jeremy Peace but he has my support on this one.

[labaggies]

The problem is that the club can't afford to write off £20-25million. It's a very difficult situation, and I have to agree with an earlier comment, that if Spurs only offered £5m down then the club couldn't accept such a derisory offer.

[baggie53]

Berahino's been an immature tw@t again, but Tottenham sowed the seeds.
For all JP saying we wouldn't sell we would have for the right money, and if Man U are willing to pay £36m for an unproven kid (14 senior goals in 52 appearances), surely a young English player, who has proved himself in the EPL with a struggling team must be worth at least £330m

[johnthebaggie]

I'd like this to stay off "I hate Berahino" etc etc firstly;

Are us Albion fans not slightly concerned that again we have a player speaking ill of the club?

We had Odemwingie, George Thorne, Berahino and a couple others all speaking very negatively about us and what goes on behind the scenes

Does anyone think we potentially could have a bad name within the game if this continues?

On the the flip side, we also have players who are happy to stay long term at the club like Brunt, Morrison and Olsson.

To my knowledge those three you mention are the only ones to have been outspoken at the club over the last few years so I'm not sure that all of a sudden we can gain a poor reputation for treatment of players.

Yes, we may have promised players moves etc, but that doesn't mean that they should be sold on the cheap as in Berahinos case.

It's more to do with arrogant players throwing their dummies out the pram.

[WBArgo]

Interestingly, if you look at George Thorne, he basically said this:
"West Brom are bad and treat me wrong"

Then, within a few days of signing for Derby he said:
"Best of luck West Brom, thanks"

My point is, he was clearly talking to get a move away and nothing more. Our club/staff change by the months, so I think there's no legs to this theory, the same people there who dealt with Odemwingie will have been and gone since there, it's nothing more than a cheap tactic.

[Sessegod]

I'd like this to stay off "I hate Berahino" etc etc firstly;

Are us Albion fans not slightly concerned that again we have a player speaking ill of the club?

We had Odemwingie, George Thorne, Berahino and a couple others all speaking very negatively about us and what goes on behind the scenes

Does anyone think we potentially could have a bad name within the game if this continues?

We wont be held to ransom by anyone, simple. JP will only do what is right for the club and one player wont change that philosophy.

[caravanc58]

I'd like this to stay off "I hate Berahino" etc etc firstly;

Are us Albion fans not slightly concerned that again we have a player speaking ill of the club?

We had Odemwingie, George Thorne, Berahino and a couple others all speaking very negatively about us and what goes on behind the scenes

Does anyone think we potentially could have a bad name within the game if this continues?

tells you more about the persons than the club.

[hunsletbaggie]

On the the flip side, we also have players who are happy to stay long term at the club like Brunt, Morrison and Olsson.

To my knowledge those three you mention are the only ones to have been outspoken at the club over the last few years so I'm not sure that all of a sudden we can gain a poor reputation for treatment of players.

Yes, we may have promised players moves etc, but that doesn't mean that they should be sold on the cheap as in Berahinos case.

It's more to do with arrogant players throwing their dummies out the pram.

Think it's more the chairman than the club I remember Nigel Pearson not being to happy with JP and that was after he had done an excellent cartaker job after Robson left so it's not just the players.

[Albionic]

Think it's more the chairman than the club I remember Nigel Pearson not being to happy with JP and that was after he had done an excellent cartaker job after Robson left so it's not just the players.

And this is why TP and JP will eventually have a major fall out, they are both wanting to be Alpha male. (unless the club is sold).
We have to hope TP has stabalised us on the pitch before it happens.

[smethwickw]

On the the flip side, we also have players who are happy to stay long term at the club like Brunt, Morrison and Olsson.

To my knowledge those three you mention are the only ones to have been outspoken at the club over the last few years so I'm not sure that all of a sudden we can gain a poor reputation for treatment of players.

Yes, we may have promised players moves etc, but that doesn't mean that they should be sold on the cheap as in Berahinos case.

It's more to do with arrogant players throwing their dummies out the pram.

They are happy to stay here because they are in their comfort zones. They play most weeks regardless of form because there is no competition for their places. They wouldn't play regularly in any other side above us in the Prem IMO. They would have been moved on or upgraded elsewhere. There is hardly a long list of clubs beating down our door to sign them either.

[mrmojorisin]

They are happy to stay here because they are in their comfort zones. They play most weeks regardless of form because there is no competition for their places. They wouldn't play regularly in any other side above us in the Prem IMO. They would have been moved on or upgraded elsewhere. There is hardly a long list of clubs beating down our door to sign them either.

So it is damned as not being good enough if a player stays and damned if they want to move to a "bigger" club.  There must be a happy compromise somewhere but I suppose all this is part of being a Baggies supporter - never happy unless we have something or someone to moan about.

[BobTaylor]

I'd like this to stay off "I hate Berahino" etc etc firstly;

Are us Albion fans not slightly concerned that again we have a player speaking ill of the club?

We had Odemwingie, George Thorne, Berahino and a couple others all speaking very negatively about us and what goes on behind the scenes

Does anyone think we potentially could have a bad name within the game if this continues?

Well there's always two sides to every story as we all know but this is my club and i love it to bits so will protect it at all costs even when in the wrong.

Not sure how we can be so much of a disaster club to play for ? its just 22 people or so kicking a ball for a living earning ridiculous amounts of money along the way. Im sure we don't torture them or anything like that  .

In Odemwingie and Berahinos case we are just the fools that got played ie picking them up from literally nothing and making there name then them wanting bigger things.

Both players have ambitions to earn more money and move on with there career any other profession i wouldn't fault that attitude but i certainly don't like it when our is involved. Clubs like ours are stepping stones unfortunately for players with real talent and money eyes unless we find a koumas type player who has all the ability in the world but not the same levels of urgency career wise.

I think you may be looking into it a bit much there matey.

[TLMS17]

I made this point elsewhere that I don't think the Club are as innocent as they make out, for obvious reasons our players can't come out and say what they want and what goes on behind the scenes, yet the club pretty much can, seen this with Odem, now Saido, wonder who will be next

[smethwickw]

So it is damned as not being good enough if a player stays and damned if they want to move to a "bigger" club.  There must be a happy compromise somewhere but I suppose all this is part of being a Baggies supporter - never happy unless we have something or someone to moan about.

Who's' moaning? I have no issue with Berahino wanting to move on to better himself. He's just gone about things in the wrong manner.

[BobTaylor]

Isn't this the same in any other walk of life ? Players/people with high aspirations wont stay where they are if they are much cop, They see an opportunity and look to pounce and as hard as this sounds loyalty doesn't factor into it.

All that being said i certainly wont be knocking players like craig gardner on a professional level who have worked extremely hard to get where they are while not being blessed with endless talent.

Its a catch 22 unfortunately like most things in life.

[smethwickw]

Isn't this the same in any other walk of life ? Players/people with high aspirations wont stay where they are if they are much cop, They see an opportunity and look to pounce and as hard as this sounds loyalty doesn't factor into it.

All that being said i certainly wont be knocking players like craig gardner on a professional level who have worked extremely hard to get where they are while not being blessed with endless talent.

Its a catch 22 unfortunately like most things in life.

I totally agree. People seem to think that footballers should show some kind of loyalty to their clubs. It's no different to you or I moving jobs to further our career with better prospects and more money. I bet almost everyone on here has done it at some point in their lives.

[FallOutBoy]

As with any workplace, there are a mixture of personalities and a mixture of managerial styles. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a bit of fault on both parts, but then neither would it surprise me if Berahino, Odemwingie, et al were just idiots.

I think you look at the way Brunt, Morrison, Olsson have stayed with us for years and you can tell the kind of personality succeeds with us.

[Albionic]

In answer to the original question, yes we were missing something.

Psychology, Motivation & attitude appraisal,
we have got this wrong in too many cases for it to be mere co-incidence, but TP is remedying this

What do WBAFC in the TP era need in a player ?

The ability to respond to a set of rules
A strong team ethic
Respect for heirarchy
Acknowledgement of place in the heirarchy (not being at the top)
Limited Ambition
A well developed sense of own abilities / potential
An attitude of work over skill
Enjoy working in a highly structured environment

i have worked in start ups and long established businesses, most people thrive in 1 environment and not in the other, I am convinced that certain clubs can "cope" with mavericks, WBAFC cannot ! - Why?

Very likely because of where we are in the food chain,
A maverick (star) will want adulation, self promotion, put themselves above the club / team-mates. (sound all too familiar??)
The Man utds of this world can provide this environment for aspiring Cantona's / Jaap Stam's / Roy Keanes.

Man city tried but Mancini was in the same maverick mould and they have had to change to Pelligrini who lets his talented players (Toure / Silva / Nasri and now Sterling, have their head because they are good enough to.

Sadly in the days of the EPL,WBAFC will not be able to afford Mavericks of that calibre.

Its no surprise that TP is buying Northern Irish & Scots players as they are generally workman-like, will bond and form a "solid" team. He is clearing out the players with the wrong mental profile. Anyone who stands alone from this type of team member will be outed but on the clubs terms.

Dour, Workmanlike, Boring, un-exciting, call it what you will, its what we will have for as long as TP is involved in player selection

[PsalmXXIII]

tells you more about the persons than the club.

And all three moaned after unsuccessful attempts by the buying club to offer us a deal that suits us. We said every time we'd sell for the right price and that wasn't met. They can't say 'Oh I hate Derby/QPR/Spurs for not paying what I'm worth' so they aim it at us.

If there was a big problem at the club we'd see players moan about other aspects than our unwillingness to sell for a derisory offer. We've seen it before with the Mel tenure, the three you've pointed out are sulking over failed attempts to sign them, which is down to the buying club.

[charliemike]

In any other industry he would be facing the sack . Spoiled over paid brat that's all he is . In my 43 years in the workplace if I broadcasted that I didn't want to work for my employee I would have been up the road .why is football so different .

[albion59]

In any other industry he would be facing the sack . Spoiled over paid brat that's all he is . In my 43 years in the workplace if I broadcasted that I didn't want to work for my employee I would have been up the road .why is football so different .

because of the money, if he was sacked (which he should be) we would lose out on any future transfer fee.

[slugga1]

I think on the whole we deal with things very well, we just live in a different age now,  it's too easy for a player to react instinctively without a time to think property of the consequences through social media.  We have dealt with it as well as we could. I'm sure we woukd have said he could go if the right amount was met but peace had already put a statement out previously saying he won't be sold so saido would well be aware of that.
We as a club (infact every club)  are stuck between a rock and a hard place these days,  but it has to be remembered at the end of the day we are the employer. 
I have been drunk off many times by my employers and I might have a rant amongst colleagues or speak to the management if need be buy at the end of the day if I need the job you knuckle down and get bloody on with it. These players don't know how lucky they are,  that's the saddest part.