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« Reply #4300 on: February 29, 2020, 02:15:02 PM »
This isn't true. Racism is a qualifier for aggravation in criminal law. This means that it itself is not a criminal offence, but its proven involvement in a criminal offence may/will result in a tougher conviction/sentence for said offence.

It is one of a few things which will qualify an offence as being a 'hate crime'.
If it's not criminal it's just called a 'hate incident'.

Hello Political Cake thank you for clarifying that for me.

So, that then would prevent a footballer from being taken to court for racial abusing another player because, in itself, it's not a criminal act?
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« Reply #4301 on: February 29, 2020, 02:52:19 PM »
Leeds put the pressure on us. COYB!

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« Reply #4302 on: February 29, 2020, 02:57:24 PM »
Leeds put the pressure on us. COYB!
i couldn’t care less about Leeds, it’s the others I want to watch what they do.

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« Reply #4303 on: February 29, 2020, 03:10:16 PM »
So, that then would prevent a footballer from being taken to court for racial abusing another player because, in itself, it's not a criminal act?

"Racial abuse" isn't a well posed phrase so I'll avoid it.

On a football field, your main dangers are things that are said in the heat, and physical incidents.

For physicality, our sport has disciplinary procedures and (for adult level) consent. This really stands for the idea that conduct that may result in injury to one another in sport is covered by a sport's governing body themselves, by civil methods (ie; bans, fines, etc). The 'line' between this and grievous bodily harm (section 20 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861) is understood by precedent to be about the role within the game, malice and attempt to injure.

Criminal offences otherwise regarding racial aggravation include such stars as assault, actual/grievous bodily harm, wounding, criminal damage (ie arson etc), harassment (incl. fear of violence, usually after restraining order). If they occur involving racism then there's nothing to stop it going to a criminal court.

Otherwise, the football authority can determine reasonable action for what they'd determine unacceptable. There's nothing to stop a victim seeking compensation through courts, this is done for example in discrimination cases (Race Relations Act 1976) ie; employment, service provision etc.. or, more likely in this field, seeking an injunction which is the step towards aggravated harassment (ie; don't do it again or next time it IS criminal by contempt of court).

I'd suggest looking at R v Barnes (2004) for a decent footballing criminal case.



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« Reply #4304 on: February 29, 2020, 03:10:42 PM »
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« Reply #4305 on: February 29, 2020, 05:36:15 PM »
Fulham 6 points behind us but have Bristol City away followed by Brentford at home then Leeds away.
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« Reply #4306 on: February 29, 2020, 06:07:55 PM »
Forest have two winnable games before we play again, so it could be down to 4 points to third

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« Reply #4307 on: March 01, 2020, 05:31:55 PM »
You want a player banned for life based on the FA review? They can’t even review a penalty decision competently most of the time.

Unless the evidence is released it’s a nonsense to suggest he should have the book thrown.

Yes, I do, I’ve made that clear.

An independent commission found him guilty of using a racist term

Ban him for life.
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« Reply #4308 on: March 01, 2020, 05:43:28 PM »
"Racial abuse" isn't a well posed phrase so I'll avoid it.

On a football field, your main dangers are things that are said in the heat, and physical incidents.

For physicality, our sport has disciplinary procedures and (for adult level) consent. This really stands for the idea that conduct that may result in injury to one another in sport is covered by a sport's governing body themselves, by civil methods (ie; bans, fines, etc). The 'line' between this and grievous bodily harm (section 20 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861) is understood by precedent to be about the role within the game, malice and attempt to injure.

Criminal offences otherwise regarding racial aggravation include such stars as assault, actual/grievous bodily harm, wounding, criminal damage (ie arson etc), harassment (incl. fear of violence, usually after restraining order). If they occur involving racism then there's nothing to stop it going to a criminal court.

Otherwise, the football authority can determine reasonable action for what they'd determine unacceptable. There's nothing to stop a victim seeking compensation through courts, this is done for example in discrimination cases (Race Relations Act 1976) ie; employment, service provision etc.. or, more likely in this field, seeking an injunction which is the step towards aggravated harassment (ie; don't do it again or next time it IS criminal by contempt of court).

I'd suggest looking at R v Barnes (2004) for a decent footballing criminal case.



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Interesting, thank you for the descriptions and references.

I've had a brief look at the R v Barnes case, it looks to be a complicated case over what was a sporting encounter that escalated to the criminal courts. I think the injury sustained by the player dictated the legal action.
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« Reply #4309 on: March 02, 2020, 08:18:22 PM »
Forest winning 1-0

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« Reply #4310 on: March 02, 2020, 08:29:21 PM »
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« Reply #4311 on: March 02, 2020, 08:29:29 PM »
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« Reply #4312 on: March 02, 2020, 08:33:51 PM »
2--1 boro, decent game this.

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« Reply #4313 on: March 02, 2020, 08:38:32 PM »
Come on Boro, stick at it

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« Reply #4314 on: March 02, 2020, 09:33:47 PM »
2-2

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« Reply #4315 on: March 02, 2020, 09:43:18 PM »
Finished 2-2

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« Reply #4316 on: March 02, 2020, 09:46:27 PM »
Not the worse result in the world.
A massive set of fixtures coming up at the weekend . A lot of six pointers.
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« Reply #4317 on: March 02, 2020, 09:53:34 PM »
Not the worse result in the world.
A massive set of fixtures coming up at the weekend . A lot of six pointers.

There are?!
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« Reply #4318 on: March 02, 2020, 10:01:52 PM »
Fulham v Bristol I see but not much else. Come on Bristol

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« Reply #4319 on: March 02, 2020, 10:07:05 PM »
Bristol City v Fulham
Barnsley v Cardiff City
Birmingham City v Reading
Brentford v Sheffield Wednesday
Charlton Athletic v Middlesbrough
Leeds United v Huddersfield Town
Preston North End v Queens Park Rangers
Stoke City v Hull City
Swansea City v West Bromwich Albion
Wigan Athletic v Luton Town

Huddersfield on a bit of a run, depends which Leeds turn up. Other than that not a lot too see, we are one of the main "at risks"
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« Reply #4320 on: March 06, 2020, 03:58:35 PM »
2 important games for us in the next 24 hours before we even kick off tomorrow. Come on Millwall and Brizzle, we love you really.

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« Reply #4321 on: March 06, 2020, 04:29:45 PM »
I am not bothered about any results apart from ours. If we win the next four we’ll be difficult to pass.

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« Reply #4322 on: March 06, 2020, 07:01:50 PM »
I am not bothered about any results apart from ours. If we win the next four we’ll be difficult to pass.

This.

It’s in our own destiny.

Win our games and we’re fine.

None of the others are capable of putting any consistent results together.
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« Reply #4323 on: March 06, 2020, 08:07:30 PM »
1-0 Millwall at Forest

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« Reply #4324 on: March 06, 2020, 08:13:33 PM »
2-0 MIllwall now